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shawarma@schedule Copenhagen03:06
ubotuSchedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 13 Apr 22:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 22:00: Community Council | 18 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 17:00: Development Team | 24 Apr 22:00: Technical Board03:06
shawarmaYay.03:06
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Klaidas@schedule Vilnius08:37
ubotuSchedule for Europe/Vilnius: 13 Apr 23:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 18:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 18 Apr 15:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 18:00: Development Team | 24 Apr 23:00: Technical Board08:37
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Current meeting: Forum Council | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 Apr 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 20:00 UTC: Community Council | 18 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:00 UTC: Development Team | 24 Apr 20:00 UTC: Technical Board
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ubuntugeekhello09:55
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forumsmatthewhello, ubuntugeek09:55
ubuntugeekhows it going matthew?09:55
SD-Plisskenhello, ubuntugeek.09:55
ubuntugeekhey sd09:55
forumsmatthewnot too bad09:55
ubuntugeekvorian here?09:56
forumsmatthewI've got a cold and I'm on Benadryl, so I may be a little loopy09:56
ubuntugeekno problem09:56
vorianyep09:56
vorianhey ubuntugeek09:56
ubuntugeekhowdy09:56
Treenaksforumsmatthew: benadryl? that almost sounds like compiz+beryl ;)09:56
forumsmatthewTreenaks, lol09:56
forumsmattheweverything's wobbling09:57
jdonghello hello09:57
ubuntugeekhey john09:57
vorianwhew, I didn't think I would make it on time :-/09:58
ubuntugeek:)09:58
vorianalright, lets get this party started :)09:58
vorianfirst up09:58
vorian09:58
vorianhardware team co-leader09:58
SD-PlisskenWhich only one person applied for.09:59
vorianhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=384360/09:59
vorianshould we shoot for more applicants before we make a decision on this?10:00
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forumsmatthewYay! Mike made it10:00
SD-PlisskenI think thats the best thing to do vorian.10:00
ubuntugeekYeah thats my thought.. we could look at merging that team10:00
MikeB-my laptop is giving me fits:)10:00
SD-PlisskenHello MikeB-10:00
ubuntugeekinto beginners team10:01
forumsmatthewubuntugeek, merging sounds like a reasonable plan10:01
vorianthat sounds like a good idea =] 10:01
ubuntugeekbodhi has it together10:01
jdongubuntugeek: merging is good, but iwth beginners?10:01
MikeB-how long ago did you start?10:01
forumsmatthewbeginners have hardware10:01
forumsmatthewMikeB-, just 2 minutes ago10:01
MikeB-whew10:01
jdongokay, we can try that :)10:02
ubuntugeekconsidering bodhi offered help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408325 to the hardware team10:02
ubuntugeeki think its  a good idea10:02
vorianthe kind of documentation bodhi is working on will fit perfectly with the hardware team.10:02
forumsmatthewI saw bodhi's offer, nice10:02
jdongubuntugeek: yeah, I didn't see his offer before; yeah that'll work out10:03
ubuntugeekso i'm gonna +1 I dont think bodhi will decline if there is an issue we can put it back on the agenda for next month and adjust if needed..10:03
PriceChildlord illian did start trying.... but then disappeared completely again and hasn't been seen for a week10:03
forumsmatthewubuntugeek, +110:03
jdong+110:04
vorianMikeB-, poke10:04
SD-Plissken+110:04
MikeB-+110:04
vorian:)10:05
vorianready for the next item?10:05
forumsmatthewI'm ready10:05
vorianUWN Sticky and Stickies in general10:05
vorianThe procedure for suggesting and approving temporary and permanent stickies (esp. in the Cafe) needs to be revised10:05
vorianjenda, ^10:05
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vorianoops, guess that was solved already10:06
ubuntugeekYeah :)10:06
ubuntugeekhowever, since we are going to have time to spare..10:06
jendaweehee10:06
jendahello10:06
jendasorry, I forgot :)10:06
ubuntugeeklets take a run with the stickies and make a policy for them10:06
jendaI'd say suggest to staff -> vote among staff10:07
ubuntugeekanyone have any suggestions on improving or enhancing stickies?10:07
forumsmatthewI like the way SD-Plissken did it today10:07
forumsmatthewFound a need, discussed it, wrote it up10:07
forumsmatthewwith feedback10:08
PriceChildI'd like to say I don't like the suggestions of "lets remove stickies and put it into a thread with a list of important threads inside.... they'll get seen even less imo.10:08
jendaany user suggests to any staff member a thread for sticky -> the staff member does a staff poll in the staff chitchat10:08
jendaforumsmatthew: linky?10:08
forumsmatthewbrb, I'll look10:08
forumsmatthewhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40840610:08
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ubuntugeekThats pretty much along the lines of Jenda's thought .. Works for me10:09
voriannice SD-Plissken :)10:09
SD-PlisskenThanks.10:10
jendaI'd make a poll among staff a standard... and the admins should have final word (or the FC)10:10
jendaSD-Plissken++10:10
jdongstickies should have some standard expiratory timeframe too10:10
jdongat which time a new sticky will have to be submitted for approval also....10:10
jendajdong: that should be included in the poll - some stickies are intended to be permanent.10:10
jendayes10:10
jendaerr...10:10
jendayeah, that.10:10
jdongjenda: permanent stickies will still need revising10:10
jenda:)10:10
jendaok10:10
jdongjenda: especially when like there's 500 replies and little bits of info added here and there :D10:11
ubuntugeekthe only issue with a poll is sometimes a sticky will need to be created ASAP and there isnt time for a poll10:11
jendayep, you're right.10:11
MikeB-so we will have two types of stickies permanent, and expiring10:11
jdongsomething like 2 months sounds reasonable for default....10:11
ubuntugeekmikeb: agreed10:11
jdongin that kind of time frame something will have changed10:11
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Seveasubuntugeek, for things like the current kernel breakage you mean?10:11
jendaMikeB-: and the permanent ones should be re-checked every once in a while.10:11
ubuntugeekseveas: yep10:11
jendaubuntugeek: in that case, it should be the admin's call10:12
ubuntugeekjenda: that works10:12
forumsmatthew+1 for checking stickies--maybe the original writer's initially responsible to do so occasionally?10:12
MikeB-two monthes, I was thinking two weeks:)10:12
jdongMikeB-: guess we need short-expiring and long-expiring stickies then :)10:12
jendaforumsmatthew++10:12
jendawell, no10:13
jendaforumsmatthew: the OP might have interest in not telling anyone if the sticky should be removed :)10:13
forumsmatthewjenda, oh, yeah...that human nature thing. Well, we can all kind of peruse and suggest changes when needed, and let FC members make a final call.10:14
ubuntugeeklets say that the OP needs to maintain the sticky, if its a critical/information sticky 2months none critical 1week.. anything that needs to be permanent can be an announcement.10:14
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forumsmatthewubuntugeek, +110:14
SD-PlisskenWe will have short stickies for emergency's and permanent stickies  as well as stickies that require re-certification after 2-3 weeks10:14
MikeB-ubuntugeek +110:14
jendaubuntugeek: +110:15
ubuntugeekthere will be a 24 hour window for voting on a sticky10:15
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forumsmatthew+1 for 24 hour window10:15
ubuntugeekstickies that are needed ASAP is an admins call, if no admins are around the person leading the charge can make a best judgement10:15
jdongubuntugeek: +110:15
forumsmatthewI"m wearing out my +1 keys10:16
ubuntugeek+110:16
SD-Plissken++110:16
jendaforumsmatthew: use the numpad once you do.10:16
vorian+110:16
MikeB-forumsmatthew: I have a mouse button bound to +1:)10:16
jdonglol10:16
forumsmatthewdoesn't anyone have anything controversial to say???10:16
forumsmatthewMikeB-, lol10:16
jdongI'd rather not :D10:16
MikeB-forumsmatthew: I think DOn Imus got a raw deal:)10:17
ubuntugeekal-rightly then :)10:17
voriannext item?10:17
forumsmatthewMikeB-, rotfl!!!!!!!!10:17
forumsmatthewnext item10:17
ubuntugeekvorian: yeah10:17
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vorianForum updates10:17
vorianMore of a FYI for the record, I added a couple features to the forums were users can link to their Launchpad profiles. Also when posting a new thread or a reply in the support areas of the forums users can link to a Launchpad bug.10:17
jdongany plans for when the reciprocal will happen?10:18
ubuntugeekNo one objected but I figured i'd mention it..10:18
forumsmatthewI really like the bug link feature. The profile link is a nice touch, too.10:18
jdongi.e. LP linking to forum user accounts....10:18
PriceChildjdong, I don't think they're going to10:18
jdongthat's a link I'd really wish LP would make10:18
forumsmatthewjdong, that's controversial10:18
PriceChildjdong, launchpad isn't ubuntu specific10:18
ubuntugeekjdong; there is a bug in LP but doesnt look like it will happen10:18
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jdongit's the last missing piece of identity10:18
jdongubuntugeek: heh ok10:18
MikeB-I plan to have a loooong talk with launchpad people at the UDS10:18
ubuntugeekmikeb: great!10:19
PriceChildMikeB-, pull me in :)10:19
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jdongit's a shame that it won't happen any time soon10:19
ubuntugeeknixternal: thats me :O10:19
forumsmatthewMikeB-, if I get there, take me in as well10:19
jdongtrying to link the identity of an IRC user to the forums is a big pain from experience10:19
ubuntugeeknixternal: i'll get them taken care of today10:19
nixternalubuntugeek: you rock!10:19
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MikeB-a bug report on the kernel issue burst out in a debate on launchpad, if  launchpad could link the forum more, the discussion could be diverted there10:19
nixternalubuntugeek: feel free to make Illinois & Chicago one, I can just sticky Chicago info in the Illinois forum10:20
ubuntugeekAlso, I made some pretty drastic changes to the forum index to clean it up.. no one objected but again just wanted to mention it..10:20
PriceChildloving the new layout... much quicker :)10:20
vorianlook very nice =] 10:20
forumsmatthewx210:20
vorians*10:20
ubuntugeekAlso, for the record when feisty comes out we "might" have to disable tags until traffic gets normal again10:20
ubuntugeekI am worried about the loads10:21
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jdongubuntugeek: have you attempted at another go of getting hardware upgrades? :D10:21
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ubuntugeekjdong: no.. mikeb and myself talk about presenting some requirements at the summit10:21
jdongsounds good10:22
jdongdoesn't look like they take us seriously right now :-/10:22
ubuntugeekthats pretty much all i had to say about the changes10:22
ubuntugeekto the layout etc10:22
vorianalrighty then10:22
vorianlast item10:22
vorian3rd party sections10:22
vorianA new procedure for requesting a third party forum. I sent a PM to all the third party maintainers asking for confirmation that they still want to keep their section active. I would like to get a vote on this new procedure to make it "official".10:22
forumsmatthewcan you outline it a little more, for the record?10:23
ubuntugeekyep10:23
PriceChildWhat about cases like the "linux for clinics" where they have their own forum elsewhere?10:23
ubuntugeeksecond while i type10:23
ubuntugeek:)10:23
ubuntugeekThe purpose of the change is pretty simple, alot of these projects have grown and now have their own official means. When the 3rd party section was create there was no order to it etc. I took the LoCo forums as an example and applied to to the 3rd party section. Our original goal for the 3rd party was to facilitate niche software/projects that related directly to ubuntu and help them get established and provide them with a space to d10:26
ubuntugeekIf a project/software has their own official forums we can simply provide a link to their forum.10:27
ubuntugeekor not10:27
ubuntugeekthis is the policy for requesting a 3rd party area10:28
ubuntugeekhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39391410:28
ubuntugeekwhich is modeled after the LoCo one.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29068510:28
ubuntugeekthoughts concerns?10:28
SD-PlisskenSeems fair to me.10:29
ubuntugeekThere needs to be an established process for dealing with them10:29
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ubuntugeekforumsmatthew: did you get any of that?10:30
jdongI think we need to establish a renewal period too10:30
ubuntugeekjdong: agreed10:30
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forumsmatthewI got up to the link10:30
ubuntugeekk10:30
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ubuntugeek..wave..10:31
MikeB-it sound fine to me10:31
forumsmatthew+110:31
jdongwhat would be a reasonable expiry time....10:32
ubuntugeekhmm 1year?10:32
jdonglet's just triple what MikeB- says :D10:32
jdonglol10:32
jdong1 year sounds reasonable10:32
forumsmatthew1 year is good10:32
vorianwould that apply to LoCo teams as well?10:33
jdonggood question10:33
ubuntugeekAlso, I would like to make another adjustment.. the FC can vote to remove any 3rd party at anytime10:33
jdongI think less so for LoCo10:33
ubuntugeekAs we have seen in the past there could be the need for this..10:33
jdongubuntugeek: yeah, good to clearly state that; though I think that's implied within the FC's range of powers10:33
forumsmatthewubuntugeek, big +110:33
SD-PlisskenVorian only if your team has their own website. I think.10:33
ubuntugeekFor LoCo's thats an official part of the ubuntu community10:34
forumsmatthewvorian, do you mean the 1 year expiry time?10:34
MikeB-I have been trying to think of a way for Ubuntuforums central point for Ubuntu based forums, and find a wway to connect more to the other ubuntu based forums10:34
vorianforumsmatthew, just want to know for the record :)10:34
ubuntugeekmikeb: lets discuss that in a sec.. I got an idea for that too10:34
ubuntugeekBased on the fact that LoCo's are part of the overall community i see no need for renewals.. the only reason I could think to remove one is if the Loco team dissolved.10:35
forumsmatthewthat was the answer I expected...they are more formal than the 3rd party10:35
ubuntugeekanything anyone wants to add?10:35
MikeB-ubuntugeek: we would need some communication from Jono or someone else in the LoCo to let us know the Loco is gone10:36
ubuntugeekmikeb: yep, i'd assume the person who created it would contact someone on staff.. i've been contacted already about merging them. I referred them back to jono for consultation on that.10:37
ubuntugeekmerging them, meaning two teams that wanted to merge10:37
voriangreat!10:38
voriananything else?10:38
ubuntugeeki'm good10:38
ubuntugeek+110:38
MikeB-+110:38
forumsmatthew+110:39
SD-Plissken+110:39
ubuntugeekSomething that isn't on topic and that was discussed on the FC mailing list and then again in pretty large detail was our official stance on third party installations scripts..10:40
forumsmatthewhttp://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=1310:40
SD-PlisskenNow here comes the controversy.. lol10:40
forumsmatthewAnyone want to comment publicly?10:41
ubuntugeekNope10:41
ubuntugeekNothing further to say from me.. +1 on that announcement10:41
MikeB-I'm kinda hoping the built-in tools in Feisty may make some of this go away10:41
jdongI don't think there is anything controversial about the announcement10:41
forumsmatthewAre we so right on that everyone thinks comment isn't needed, or are we so wrong you don't know where to start?10:42
jdongit is just a message that unofficial extensions/programs on Ubuntu basically put you on your own responsibility to diagnose problems10:42
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jdongand basically make it harder for us to provide effective suppot10:42
jdongI fully support the announcement10:42
SD-PlisskenI'm fine with the comment/post/announcement.10:43
GazzaKI like the way that announcement is worded, well done10:43
MikeB-the announcement is well written and very clear10:43
ubuntugeekGreat.10:44
MikeB-and show shows no favoritism or malice toward anyone10:44
SD-PlisskenOne concern is how do we get members to understand this.10:44
vorianin a loving way SD-Plissken :)10:44
forumsmatthewvorian, +110:44
jdongthe corollary to this that I think we need to directly address... what do we do when we come across an automatix/3rdparty support question?10:44
jdongdo we cease the discussion?10:45
jdongthere's something that sounds uneasy about that10:45
MikeB-SD-Plissken: I willing 95% will understand with no problem, but the other 5% we will have to be patience with10:45
ubuntugeekBecause of the past/current issues regarding one of those installations. The person should be directed to that announcement. If they persist to cause drama then they will be removed.10:45
SD-PlisskenMikeB- you may be right on that.10:45
forumsmatthewI would prefer to let the discussion continue, after stating our stance with a link10:45
GazzaKto be honest, I think feisty will solve many of the issues.10:46
forumsmatthewand give users other options10:46
forumsmatthewall while being polite10:46
MikeB-jdong: point people to the AX forum, and leave it be if discussion is civil10:46
forumsmatthewGazzaK, I think so too10:46
jdongGazzaK: it will be far from completely solved10:46
jdongthere's still illegal codecs10:46
jdongand also random 3rd party packages people want10:46
jdongthose two demands will never cease10:46
PriceChildargh router messed up, brb10:47
vorianwe should follow up with this discussion at the next meeting to see how things go over the next few weeks.10:47
vorianalso*10:47
ubuntugeekvorian: sounds fine10:47
MikeB-vorian: good idea10:48
jdongagreed, we should follow up in 1 or 2 meeting's time10:48
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forumsmatthew+1, revisit10:48
vorianand on the topic of the next meeting....10:48
vorian2nd tuesday of May @ 16:00?10:49
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ubuntugeekvorian: works for me10:49
forumsmatthewMay 8th10:49
ubuntugeekWe still have some time, does anyone have anything else to mention?10:49
ubuntugeekrants/praises/thoughts/ etc ?10:49
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jdongtuesday 16:000 won't work for me10:49
vorianthe forums look great ubuntugeek! nice work!10:50
jdongT/R will have to be after 21:00 for me :(, W/F are much better10:50
MikeB-that will be during UDS10:50
ubuntugeekdoes this time on fridays work ?10:50
jdongyeah, this time on fridays is great10:50
ubuntugeekthis works for me as well10:50
forumsmatthewFine by me,10:50
MikeB-it is fine with me10:50
SD-PlisskenFine for me.10:50
ubuntugeekgreat!10:50
voriannoted10:51
forumsmatthewMay 1110:51
ubuntugeekperfect10:51
jdonga day before my birthday :)10:51
forumsmatthewsweet!10:52
MikeB-I will be on a train back to Madrid at 20:00 UTC10:52
forumsmatthewOh...I may be in my car somewhere in Andalucia10:52
ubuntugeekfirst friday in may?10:52
ubuntugeekthat work?10:53
vorianMay 4th10:53
forumsmatthewThat one's better10:53
ubuntu_demonsuggestion : do it after UDS. You guys might want to evaluate some UDS stuff.10:53
MikeB-I going to Spain a week early with my family to vacation10:53
ubuntugeekok third time is a charm.. third friday in may?10:53
MikeB-cool with me :)10:53
vorianMay 18th10:54
forumsmatthewI'm good10:54
ubuntugeekok10:54
voriangreat!10:55
ubuntugeekanything else?10:55
forumsmatthewanyone want a spam link for my book?10:56
ubuntugeekActually just a follow up to the 3rd party area.. I will research who has their own official support methods and contact them to let them know the decision.10:56
forumsmatthewu-g, great!10:56
vorianI'll summarize and post this all over the place later tonight :)10:57
ubuntugeekvorian: thanks10:57
ubuntugeekanything else?10:57
ubuntugeekI cant think of anything pressing10:58
MikeB-nothing here10:58
forumsmatthewnope10:58
SD-Plisskenno10:58
ubuntugeekOh, might as well toss this out there10:58
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vorianlol10:58
ubuntugeekpurchased a copy of vbseo today http://www.vbseo.com/ to test out on the forums for optimization10:59
Priceyvorian, could you pm me anything interesting I may have missed? :)10:59
voriansure thing10:59
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ubuntugeekand improve some of our search engine links i noticed some content gets lost or is hard to fine10:59
ubuntugeekfine = find11:00
forumsmatthewcool11:00
ubuntugeekany objections from anyone11:00
ubuntugeek?11:00
MikeB-nope11:00
jdongnope11:00
forumsmatthewnada11:00
jdonghold on, I think I feel an RMS ray beaming down on me from 3 floors above....11:00
jdongmust.... use..... Free..... Software.....11:01
ubuntugeeklol11:01
jdong:)11:01
ubuntugeekwell phpbb isnt an option11:01
ubuntugeekneither is smf11:01
jdonghaha11:01
jdongphpbb :)11:01
ubuntugeekwhy we went with vbulletin :)11:01
ubuntugeekthe only time it breaks is when i do it.. heh11:01
forumsmatthew:)11:01
jdong:)11:02
ubuntugeekanything else?11:02
Priceyjust reading the about on that vbseo.... it doesn't give google access to the jail again does it? :P - "BSEO ensures that all of your vBulletin forum content pages (i.e. threads) can be included in Internet search engines"11:03
ubuntugeekpricey: nope11:03
ubuntugeekpricey: permissions are taken into consideration11:03
Priceycool :)11:03
MikeB-later all,11:03
ubuntugeekLike I said, i jsut want to test this out it has some features like submitting posts to digg etc.. that are nice..11:03
ubuntugeeksee ya mike11:03
ubuntugeekthanks for coming11:04
vorianbye MikeB- :)11:04
forumsmatthewnote: front page link to news & announcements is broken... http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=1211:04
forumsmatthewbye, MikeB-11:04
ubuntugeekshoot11:04
ubuntugeeklol11:04
ubuntugeeklike i said.. when i break it ;)11:04
forumsmatthew:)11:04
ubuntugeekfixed11:04
forumsmatthewwow!11:05
ubuntugeekOO11:05
ubuntugeekforgot to mention11:05
Pricey"you're all fired - bye"11:05
vorianhahaha11:05
SD-PlisskenRight...11:05
forumsmatthewI knew I shouldn't have changed the title of "Ubuntu Testimonials..."11:05
ubuntugeekForum Ambassador is now an official team11:05
ubuntugeekon the forums11:06
SD-Plisskenit is ?11:06
ubuntugeekyep11:06
forumsmatthewU-D leading?11:06
ubuntugeekhttp://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=23511:06
SD-PlisskenThem guys finally got that going..11:06
Priceywoo finally :) Mr, U-D, maniacmusician and `23meg are leaders11:06
ubuntugeekyep so grats to them they put alot of work into it11:07
voriansweet!11:07
SD-PlisskenThe three stooges..11:07
forumsmatthewvery nice. Congratulations!11:07
ubuntugeekThats all from me..11:07
voriangreat meeting everyone :)11:08
ubuntugeekAs always the staff rocks! the admins rock! lets get prepared for fiesty11:08
SD-PlisskenEnd Transmission..11:08
Pricey(and gutsy)11:08
ubuntugeekyep..11:08
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ubuntugeekthanks all11:08
SeveasPricey, the first 'Goatse Gibbon' remarks have ben spotted....11:09
ubuntugeeki am off to fight rush hour traffic11:09
forumsmatthewthank you!11:09
Admiral_Chicagogreat....11:09
Admiral_Chicagogoatse jokes already... :)11:09
Seveasubuntugeek, bring a bazooka ;)11:09
PriceySeveas, lol :) All I've heard ate gustys... and of course jdong's suggestion in the #ubuntuforums topic11:09
Priceys/ate/are/11:09
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vorianlol11:10
SeveasPricey, somehow it's funnier with 'ate' :p11:10
Pricey:)11:11
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forumsmatthewbye, all11:12
vorianbye forumsmatthew11:12
ubuntu_demonbye guys :)11:13
vorianbye ubuntu_demon11:14
vorian:)11:14
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