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[09:55] hello, ubuntugeek. [09:55] hey sd [09:55] not too bad [09:56] vorian here? [09:56] I've got a cold and I'm on Benadryl, so I may be a little loopy [09:56] no problem [09:56] yep [09:56] hey ubuntugeek [09:56] howdy [09:56] forumsmatthew: benadryl? that almost sounds like compiz+beryl ;) [09:56] Treenaks, lol [09:57] everything's wobbling [09:57] hello hello [09:57] hey john [09:58] whew, I didn't think I would make it on time :-/ [09:58] :) [09:58] alright, lets get this party started :) [09:58] first up [09:58] [09:58] hardware team co-leader [09:59] Which only one person applied for. [09:59] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=384360/ [10:00] should we shoot for more applicants before we make a decision on this? === MikeB- [n=dbasinge@stffp11-210.staff.library.utah.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:00] Yay! Mike made it [10:00] I think thats the best thing to do vorian. [10:00] Yeah thats my thought.. we could look at merging that team [10:00] my laptop is giving me fits:) [10:00] Hello MikeB- [10:01] into beginners team [10:01] ubuntugeek, merging sounds like a reasonable plan [10:01] that sounds like a good idea =] [10:01] bodhi has it together [10:01] ubuntugeek: merging is good, but iwth beginners? [10:01] how long ago did you start? [10:01] beginners have hardware [10:01] MikeB-, just 2 minutes ago [10:01] whew [10:02] okay, we can try that :) [10:02] considering bodhi offered help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408325 to the hardware team [10:02] i think its a good idea [10:02] the kind of documentation bodhi is working on will fit perfectly with the hardware team. [10:02] I saw bodhi's offer, nice [10:03] ubuntugeek: yeah, I didn't see his offer before; yeah that'll work out [10:03] so i'm gonna +1 I dont think bodhi will decline if there is an issue we can put it back on the agenda for next month and adjust if needed.. [10:03] lord illian did start trying.... but then disappeared completely again and hasn't been seen for a week [10:03] ubuntugeek, +1 [10:04] +1 [10:04] MikeB-, poke [10:04] +1 [10:04] +1 [10:05] :) [10:05] ready for the next item? [10:05] I'm ready [10:05] UWN Sticky and Stickies in general [10:05] The procedure for suggesting and approving temporary and permanent stickies (esp. in the Cafe) needs to be revised [10:05] jenda, ^ === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:06] oops, guess that was solved already [10:06] Yeah :) [10:06] however, since we are going to have time to spare.. [10:06] weehee [10:06] hello [10:06] sorry, I forgot :) [10:06] lets take a run with the stickies and make a policy for them [10:07] I'd say suggest to staff -> vote among staff [10:07] anyone have any suggestions on improving or enhancing stickies? [10:07] I like the way SD-Plissken did it today [10:07] Found a need, discussed it, wrote it up [10:08] with feedback [10:08] I'd like to say I don't like the suggestions of "lets remove stickies and put it into a thread with a list of important threads inside.... they'll get seen even less imo. [10:08] any user suggests to any staff member a thread for sticky -> the staff member does a staff poll in the staff chitchat [10:08] forumsmatthew: linky? [10:08] brb, I'll look [10:08] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408406 === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.223.37.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:09] Thats pretty much along the lines of Jenda's thought .. Works for me [10:09] nice SD-Plissken :) [10:10] Thanks. [10:10] I'd make a poll among staff a standard... and the admins should have final word (or the FC) [10:10] SD-Plissken++ [10:10] stickies should have some standard expiratory timeframe too [10:10] at which time a new sticky will have to be submitted for approval also.... [10:10] jdong: that should be included in the poll - some stickies are intended to be permanent. [10:10] yes [10:10] err... [10:10] yeah, that. [10:10] jenda: permanent stickies will still need revising [10:10] :) [10:10] ok [10:11] jenda: especially when like there's 500 replies and little bits of info added here and there :D [10:11] the only issue with a poll is sometimes a sticky will need to be created ASAP and there isnt time for a poll [10:11] yep, you're right. [10:11] so we will have two types of stickies permanent, and expiring [10:11] something like 2 months sounds reasonable for default.... [10:11] mikeb: agreed [10:11] in that kind of time frame something will have changed === GazzaK [n=Dogbert@colchester-lug/GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:11] ubuntugeek, for things like the current kernel breakage you mean? [10:11] MikeB-: and the permanent ones should be re-checked every once in a while. [10:11] seveas: yep [10:12] ubuntugeek: in that case, it should be the admin's call [10:12] jenda: that works [10:12] +1 for checking stickies--maybe the original writer's initially responsible to do so occasionally? [10:12] two monthes, I was thinking two weeks:) [10:12] MikeB-: guess we need short-expiring and long-expiring stickies then :) [10:12] forumsmatthew++ [10:13] well, no [10:13] forumsmatthew: the OP might have interest in not telling anyone if the sticky should be removed :) [10:14] jenda, oh, yeah...that human nature thing. Well, we can all kind of peruse and suggest changes when needed, and let FC members make a final call. [10:14] lets say that the OP needs to maintain the sticky, if its a critical/information sticky 2months none critical 1week.. anything that needs to be permanent can be an announcement. === Dasnipa` [n=Dasnipa@alphathree.stev196.eiu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:14] ubuntugeek, +1 [10:14] We will have short stickies for emergency's and permanent stickies as well as stickies that require re-certification after 2-3 weeks [10:14] ubuntugeek +1 [10:15] ubuntugeek: +1 [10:15] there will be a 24 hour window for voting on a sticky === Toxicity999_ [n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:15] +1 for 24 hour window [10:15] stickies that are needed ASAP is an admins call, if no admins are around the person leading the charge can make a best judgement [10:15] ubuntugeek: +1 [10:16] I"m wearing out my +1 keys [10:16] +1 [10:16] ++1 [10:16] forumsmatthew: use the numpad once you do. [10:16] +1 [10:16] forumsmatthew: I have a mouse button bound to +1:) [10:16] lol [10:16] doesn't anyone have anything controversial to say??? [10:16] MikeB-, lol [10:16] I'd rather not :D [10:17] forumsmatthew: I think DOn Imus got a raw deal:) [10:17] al-rightly then :) [10:17] next item? [10:17] MikeB-, rotfl!!!!!!!! [10:17] next item [10:17] vorian: yeah === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121ofb.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:17] Forum updates [10:17] More of a FYI for the record, I added a couple features to the forums were users can link to their Launchpad profiles. Also when posting a new thread or a reply in the support areas of the forums users can link to a Launchpad bug. [10:18] any plans for when the reciprocal will happen? [10:18] No one objected but I figured i'd mention it.. [10:18] I really like the bug link feature. The profile link is a nice touch, too. [10:18] i.e. LP linking to forum user accounts.... [10:18] jdong, I don't think they're going to [10:18] that's a link I'd really wish LP would make [10:18] jdong, that's controversial [10:18] jdong, launchpad isn't ubuntu specific [10:18] jdong; there is a bug in LP but doesnt look like it will happen === OGDA [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.223.37.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:18] it's the last missing piece of identity [10:18] ubuntugeek: heh ok [10:18] I plan to have a loooong talk with launchpad people at the UDS [10:19] mikeb: great! [10:19] MikeB-, pull me in :) === nixternal wonders who is in charge of creating the LoCo forums - Ubuntu Illinois & Chicago was posted 2 days ago (request) [10:19] it's a shame that it won't happen any time soon [10:19] nixternal: thats me :O [10:19] MikeB-, if I get there, take me in as well [10:19] trying to link the identity of an IRC user to the forums is a big pain from experience [10:19] nixternal: i'll get them taken care of today [10:19] ubuntugeek: you rock! === OGDA is now known as BFTD [10:19] a bug report on the kernel issue burst out in a debate on launchpad, if launchpad could link the forum more, the discussion could be diverted there [10:20] ubuntugeek: feel free to make Illinois & Chicago one, I can just sticky Chicago info in the Illinois forum [10:20] Also, I made some pretty drastic changes to the forum index to clean it up.. no one objected but again just wanted to mention it.. [10:20] loving the new layout... much quicker :) [10:20] look very nice =] [10:20] x2 [10:20] s* [10:20] Also, for the record when feisty comes out we "might" have to disable tags until traffic gets normal again [10:21] I am worried about the loads === mrmonday [n=mrmonday@89.240.137.183] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:21] ubuntugeek: have you attempted at another go of getting hardware upgrades? :D === ubuntugeek note to self to offload tags to sphinx [10:21] jdong: no.. mikeb and myself talk about presenting some requirements at the summit [10:22] sounds good [10:22] doesn't look like they take us seriously right now :-/ [10:22] thats pretty much all i had to say about the changes [10:22] to the layout etc [10:22] alrighty then [10:22] last item [10:22] 3rd party sections [10:22] A new procedure for requesting a third party forum. I sent a PM to all the third party maintainers asking for confirmation that they still want to keep their section active. I would like to get a vote on this new procedure to make it "official". [10:23] can you outline it a little more, for the record? [10:23] yep [10:23] What about cases like the "linux for clinics" where they have their own forum elsewhere? [10:23] second while i type [10:23] :) [10:26] The purpose of the change is pretty simple, alot of these projects have grown and now have their own official means. When the 3rd party section was create there was no order to it etc. I took the LoCo forums as an example and applied to to the 3rd party section. Our original goal for the 3rd party was to facilitate niche software/projects that related directly to ubuntu and help them get established and provide them with a space to d [10:27] If a project/software has their own official forums we can simply provide a link to their forum. [10:27] or not [10:28] this is the policy for requesting a 3rd party area [10:28] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=393914 [10:28] which is modeled after the LoCo one.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290685 [10:28] thoughts concerns? [10:29] Seems fair to me. [10:29] There needs to be an established process for dealing with them === forumsmatthew_ [n=forumsma@adsl196-10-25-217-196.adsl196-9.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:30] forumsmatthew: did you get any of that? [10:30] I think we need to establish a renewal period too [10:30] jdong: agreed === forumsmatthew_ is now known as forumsmatthew [10:30] I got up to the link [10:30] k === Toxicity999_ [n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:31] ..wave.. [10:31] it sound fine to me [10:31] +1 [10:32] what would be a reasonable expiry time.... [10:32] hmm 1year? [10:32] let's just triple what MikeB- says :D [10:32] lol [10:32] 1 year sounds reasonable [10:32] 1 year is good [10:33] would that apply to LoCo teams as well? [10:33] good question [10:33] Also, I would like to make another adjustment.. the FC can vote to remove any 3rd party at anytime [10:33] I think less so for LoCo [10:33] As we have seen in the past there could be the need for this.. [10:33] ubuntugeek: yeah, good to clearly state that; though I think that's implied within the FC's range of powers [10:33] ubuntugeek, big +1 [10:33] Vorian only if your team has their own website. I think. [10:34] For LoCo's thats an official part of the ubuntu community [10:34] vorian, do you mean the 1 year expiry time? [10:34] I have been trying to think of a way for Ubuntuforums central point for Ubuntu based forums, and find a wway to connect more to the other ubuntu based forums [10:34] forumsmatthew, just want to know for the record :) [10:34] mikeb: lets discuss that in a sec.. I got an idea for that too [10:35] Based on the fact that LoCo's are part of the overall community i see no need for renewals.. the only reason I could think to remove one is if the Loco team dissolved. [10:35] that was the answer I expected...they are more formal than the 3rd party [10:35] anything anyone wants to add? [10:36] ubuntugeek: we would need some communication from Jono or someone else in the LoCo to let us know the Loco is gone [10:37] mikeb: yep, i'd assume the person who created it would contact someone on staff.. i've been contacted already about merging them. I referred them back to jono for consultation on that. [10:37] merging them, meaning two teams that wanted to merge [10:38] great! [10:38] anything else? [10:38] i'm good [10:38] +1 [10:38] +1 [10:39] +1 [10:39] +1 [10:40] Something that isn't on topic and that was discussed on the FC mailing list and then again in pretty large detail was our official stance on third party installations scripts.. [10:40] http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=13 [10:40] Now here comes the controversy.. lol [10:41] Anyone want to comment publicly? [10:41] Nope [10:41] Nothing further to say from me.. +1 on that announcement [10:41] I'm kinda hoping the built-in tools in Feisty may make some of this go away [10:41] I don't think there is anything controversial about the announcement [10:42] Are we so right on that everyone thinks comment isn't needed, or are we so wrong you don't know where to start? [10:42] it is just a message that unofficial extensions/programs on Ubuntu basically put you on your own responsibility to diagnose problems === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D80E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:42] and basically make it harder for us to provide effective suppot [10:42] I fully support the announcement [10:43] I'm fine with the comment/post/announcement. [10:43] I like the way that announcement is worded, well done [10:43] the announcement is well written and very clear [10:44] Great. [10:44] and show shows no favoritism or malice toward anyone [10:44] One concern is how do we get members to understand this. [10:44] in a loving way SD-Plissken :) [10:44] vorian, +1 [10:44] the corollary to this that I think we need to directly address... what do we do when we come across an automatix/3rdparty support question? [10:45] do we cease the discussion? [10:45] there's something that sounds uneasy about that [10:45] SD-Plissken: I willing 95% will understand with no problem, but the other 5% we will have to be patience with [10:45] Because of the past/current issues regarding one of those installations. The person should be directed to that announcement. If they persist to cause drama then they will be removed. [10:45] MikeB- you may be right on that. [10:45] I would prefer to let the discussion continue, after stating our stance with a link [10:46] to be honest, I think feisty will solve many of the issues. [10:46] and give users other options [10:46] all while being polite [10:46] jdong: point people to the AX forum, and leave it be if discussion is civil [10:46] GazzaK, I think so too [10:46] GazzaK: it will be far from completely solved [10:46] there's still illegal codecs [10:46] and also random 3rd party packages people want [10:46] those two demands will never cease [10:47] argh router messed up, brb [10:47] we should follow up with this discussion at the next meeting to see how things go over the next few weeks. [10:47] also* [10:47] vorian: sounds fine [10:48] vorian: good idea [10:48] agreed, we should follow up in 1 or 2 meeting's time === Monk-e [i=guido-et@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:48] +1, revisit [10:48] and on the topic of the next meeting.... [10:49] 2nd tuesday of May @ 16:00? === forumsmatthew searches for a calendar [10:49] vorian: works for me [10:49] May 8th [10:49] We still have some time, does anyone have anything else to mention? [10:49] rants/praises/thoughts/ etc ? === jdong looks at calendar [10:49] tuesday 16:000 won't work for me [10:50] the forums look great ubuntugeek! nice work! [10:50] T/R will have to be after 21:00 for me :(, W/F are much better [10:50] that will be during UDS [10:50] does this time on fridays work ? [10:50] yeah, this time on fridays is great [10:50] this works for me as well [10:50] Fine by me, [10:50] it is fine with me [10:50] Fine for me. [10:50] great! [10:51] noted [10:51] May 11 [10:51] perfect [10:51] a day before my birthday :) [10:52] sweet! [10:52] I will be on a train back to Madrid at 20:00 UTC [10:52] Oh...I may be in my car somewhere in Andalucia [10:52] first friday in may? [10:53] that work? [10:53] May 4th [10:53] That one's better [10:53] suggestion : do it after UDS. You guys might want to evaluate some UDS stuff. [10:53] I going to Spain a week early with my family to vacation [10:53] ok third time is a charm.. third friday in may? [10:53] cool with me :) [10:54] May 18th [10:54] I'm good [10:54] ok [10:55] great! [10:55] anything else? [10:56] anyone want a spam link for my book? [10:56] Actually just a follow up to the 3rd party area.. I will research who has their own official support methods and contact them to let them know the decision. [10:56] u-g, great! [10:57] I'll summarize and post this all over the place later tonight :) [10:57] vorian: thanks [10:57] anything else? [10:58] I cant think of anything pressing [10:58] nothing here [10:58] nope [10:58] no [10:58] Oh, might as well toss this out there === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:58] lol [10:59] purchased a copy of vbseo today http://www.vbseo.com/ to test out on the forums for optimization [10:59] vorian, could you pm me anything interesting I may have missed? :) [10:59] sure thing === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:59] and improve some of our search engine links i noticed some content gets lost or is hard to fine [11:00] fine = find [11:00] cool [11:00] any objections from anyone [11:00] ? [11:00] nope [11:00] nope [11:00] nada [11:00] hold on, I think I feel an RMS ray beaming down on me from 3 floors above.... [11:01] must.... use..... Free..... Software..... [11:01] lol [11:01] :) [11:01] well phpbb isnt an option [11:01] neither is smf [11:01] haha [11:01] phpbb :) [11:01] why we went with vbulletin :) [11:01] the only time it breaks is when i do it.. heh [11:01] :) [11:02] :) [11:02] anything else? [11:03] just reading the about on that vbseo.... it doesn't give google access to the jail again does it? :P - "BSEO ensures that all of your vBulletin forum content pages (i.e. threads) can be included in Internet search engines" [11:03] pricey: nope [11:03] pricey: permissions are taken into consideration [11:03] cool :) [11:03] later all, [11:03] Like I said, i jsut want to test this out it has some features like submitting posts to digg etc.. that are nice.. [11:03] see ya mike [11:04] thanks for coming [11:04] bye MikeB- :) [11:04] note: front page link to news & announcements is broken... http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=12 [11:04] bye, MikeB- [11:04] shoot [11:04] lol [11:04] like i said.. when i break it ;) [11:04] :) [11:04] fixed [11:05] wow! [11:05] OO [11:05] forgot to mention [11:05] "you're all fired - bye" [11:05] hahaha [11:05] Right... [11:05] I knew I shouldn't have changed the title of "Ubuntu Testimonials..." [11:05] Forum Ambassador is now an official team [11:06] on the forums [11:06] it is ? [11:06] yep [11:06] U-D leading? [11:06] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=235 [11:06] Them guys finally got that going.. [11:06] woo finally :) Mr, U-D, maniacmusician and `23meg are leaders [11:07] yep so grats to them they put alot of work into it [11:07] sweet! [11:07] The three stooges.. [11:07] very nice. Congratulations! [11:07] Thats all from me.. [11:08] great meeting everyone :) [11:08] As always the staff rocks! the admins rock! lets get prepared for fiesty [11:08] End Transmission.. [11:08] (and gutsy) [11:08] yep.. === OGDA [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.217.162.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:08] thanks all [11:09] Pricey, the first 'Goatse Gibbon' remarks have ben spotted.... [11:09] i am off to fight rush hour traffic [11:09] thank you! [11:09] great.... [11:09] goatse jokes already... :) [11:09] ubuntugeek, bring a bazooka ;) [11:09] Seveas, lol :) All I've heard ate gustys... and of course jdong's suggestion in the #ubuntuforums topic [11:09] s/ate/are/ === finalbeta_ [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:10] lol [11:10] Pricey, somehow it's funnier with 'ate' :p [11:11] :) === OGDA is now known as BFTD [11:12] bye, all [11:12] bye forumsmatthew [11:13] bye guys :) [11:14] bye ubuntu_demon [11:14] :) === AndrewB_ [n=andy@88-111-20-77.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === AndrewB__ [n=andy@88-111-20-77.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ma1kel [n=ma1kel@cp818518-b.roose1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Owdgit [n=ron@88-110-129-195.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Toxicity999 [n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting