=== Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] === macd [n=d@adsl-150-23-118.aby.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] DktrKranz, can I use pbuilder to test any distro regardless of kernel/distro I use? === salty-horse [n=ori@pdpc/supporter/active/salty-horse] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:28] fgcwatt: it should work with anything debian-based [correct me if I'm wrong, people] [12:36] fgcwatt: what do you mean by "test any distro"? === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F72060.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] dapper; edgy; feisty [12:37] Any Debianish will work. [12:37] So, yes. [12:37] *Anything [12:37] ok...great === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@198.150.12.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@host145-26-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@unaffiliated/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === arejay [n=rj@unaffiliated/rj-] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] when does universe freeze? I've got another upload of mythtv with 3 more bugs fixed... === Tonio_ [n=tonio@79.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] keescook: Twas supposed to be Thursday this week, but nothing has been announced yet. So I don't know where things stand. [01:44] keescook: we talked about it at the motu meeting & fixes are still ok [01:44] so go for it :) [01:44] TheMuso: yeah, same here. :) Okay, then I'll go ahead with the bug fix upload. :) [01:44] 08:13 < sistpoty> dholbach: so it's just regular uploading from the motu pov, right? [01:44] 08:14 < dholbach> atm, yes [01:44] 08:14 < sistpoty> ok [01:44] 08:14 < dholbach> not sure if it's going to change in the remaining 7 days [01:44] 08:14 < dholbach> I feel most of us have been quite conservative with their fixes [01:44] ajmitch: cool [01:45] ajmitch: Whos doing minutes? SOrry I couldn't make it. 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[04:31] adequate [04:33] Fruck, I missed another one :-( [04:33] yep === Fujitsu really didn't want to get up at 6am. === Hobbsee neither. === ajmitch didn't want to get up at 8am === LuisBG [n=d33p@87.217.144.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] Oh well I suck anyhoo [04:45] bddebian, the motivational speaker [04:45] :) [04:48] Very nice of crosshurd to clobber my sources.list... [04:49] why would you use crosshurd? [04:49] To install a Hurd system? [04:50] again, why? [04:50] crosshurd? [04:50] Because I want to see what the Hurd is like at the moment, I suppose! === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] Fujitsu: Ignore ajmitch, he's a traitor ;-P [05:02] hmm === welshbyte should fix more bugs [05:03] hello all [05:04] bddebian: lol === valles_ [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] welshbyte: Yeah, you should fix them all! [05:07] ok. 2 secs... [05:07] please make the stars align first [05:07] it's more important than this lousy feisty stuff === welshbyte delegates [05:07] set it to a lower NICE level === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@ppp100-144.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@91-171-28.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@91-171-28.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan__ [n=dan@h-69-3-235-237.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === unix_infidel [n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:41] hey guys, do any of the maintainers here expect any drastic changes to the from the beta release point to the official release point? [07:42] i'm hoping i can get away with installing the beta and doing a simple dist upgrade. === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:52] unix_infidel: You should be able to do that. === AnAnt [n=anant@196.219.199.127] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] ScottK: ping [07:54] Yes [07:55] ScottK: regarding the #105548 [07:55] I know the question you are going to ask. [07:55] ScottK: do you have a suggestion to fix it ? [07:56] ScottK: really ? what is my question you thought ? [07:56] I thought the question was how come I said you had a work-around for the problem and not a fix. === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] yes I do agree that it is NOT a fix [07:58] a fix means that it should work with CHARSET=UTF8, right ? [07:58] AnAnt: I don't know what the fix is, multiple locales isn't something I know a lot about. [07:58] ScottK: you know who can help me with that ? [07:58] AnAnt: I would think it should work with all the supported charsets. [07:59] No. Sorry. Most of the stuff I do is server programs that don't interact with the keyboard. [08:00] ScottK: ok, thanks [08:00] You might look in Launchpad for similar bugs and see who has uploaded fixes... [08:00] Good luck. [08:00] k [08:01] thanks === AnAnt [n=anant@196.219.199.127] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:04] is there a server release out for the beta as well? [08:04] or an alternate-cd release [08:04] ? [08:06] doko: I have a Python package related problem. Earlier in the week I did a fix for Bug #80287 for pysol. In the process I ran across Bug #104971. As of today's new Python updates, the new (fixed) version of pysol crashes (and takes apport with it), but the original version of pysol works. I'm not sure what's up. The traceback is at paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15327/ [08:06] Malone bug 80287 in pysol "Doesn't start in feisty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80287 [08:06] Malone bug 104971 in python-defaults "Python path appears to be searched out of sequence - intermittent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104971 [08:07] unix_infidel: Im actually expecrting the RC versinon... not just beta [08:09] unix_infidel: Beta is http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ [08:09] expercrting? [08:09] unix_infidel: expecting [08:09] unix_infidel: apparently RC version supposed to be yesterday [08:09] doko: The good news is I can no longer reproduce #104971. [08:09] ScottK: apparently you are looking for a module random, but you did rename it to pysol_random? don't know [08:09] enyc: yesterday south africa time? [08:09] unix_infidel: but nobody seems to have let me know where to find it or that its late or whatever [08:10] doko: pysol provides it's own random. That's the one I renamed. [08:10] well, i hope things to smoothly with this release. [08:10] unix_infidel: well 2007/04/12 sometime whenever thtat means ;-) [08:10] i'll download it on the 15mbit connection later. [08:10] adios. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:12] doko: Any traceback I get from a Python console session now triggers apport and it produces it's own traceback. Is that by design? [08:15] ScottK: dpkg -l python2.5 python-apport ? [08:16] Just a second. [08:17] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15328/ === ScottK-laptop [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] doko ^^ [08:20] ScottK: I can't reproduce that; could you ask pitti when he's online? === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:21] OK. Will do. doko, does pysol run for you? [08:25] ScottK-laptop: what do you mean precisely? [08:25] ScottK-laptop: can you pastebin a transcript ? [08:25] ScottK: $ pysol [08:25] Traceback (most recent call last): [08:25] File "/usr/share/games/pysol/pysol.py", line 101, in [08:25] mod = sys.modules[m] [08:25] KeyError: 'random' [08:25] seems that the fix/patch is uncomplete [08:26] Yes it does, although it at least didn't crash before the python update. [08:26] ScottK-laptop: I mean the Any traceback I get from a Python console session now triggers apport and it produces it's own traceback. Is that by design? thing [08:26] Ah. [08:27] I wrote the python apport hook y'see. [08:27] OK. [08:27] Give me a moment and I'll give you a pastbin of it. [08:28] lifeless: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15329/ === phantom [n=phantom@82-46-12-56.cable.ubr07.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] ScottK-laptop: can you do: [08:30] python -c ' from random import Random as _Random [08:30] ' [08:30] meh [08:30] python -c 'from random import Random as _Random' === _phantom_ [n=_phantom@82-46-12-56.cable.ubr07.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gpocentek [n=gauvain@69.60.114.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:32] lifeless: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15330/ [08:33] ScottK-laptop: ok, random is broken for your python [08:33] lifeless: I am an idiot tonight. [08:33] ScottK-laptop: regular python console errors trigger an import of the apport code; that code tries to import 'random'. This fails and this creates a new apport error, but now the half imported module is present === ScottK-laptop was working in :/usr/share/games/pysol$ and so apport was calling the pysol version and not the system verions. [08:34] versioon. [08:34] 'version' ? === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73BFA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] version [08:34] absolute imports will help with this [08:34] good morning [08:34] good morning. [08:35] lifeless: Yes. When I try to import random and am not in a directory that has a file named random.py in it, it imports just fine. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:39] lifeless: Do you want me to write a bug against the python apport hook about the imports? [08:41] ScottK-laptop: why? whats wrong? [08:41] ScottK-laptop: oh, I see. No, we support 2.4 still === ScottK wasn't sure when you were mentioning absolute imports you were refering to pysol or the apport hook. === ScottK is going to go make a better pysol patch. [08:42] oh, apport. It should use them, but when we stop supporting pythons that dont support absolute imports [08:42] OK. Thanks for the help. [08:43] In the mean time it seems smart for applications to not reuse system module names... === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:46] Wow, I never knew Ubuntu could be so difficult to install. That was closer to Gentoo than anything. [08:47] Fujitsu: what do you mean? [08:47] Well, I ran into that LVM bug on the alternate CD, where it hangs for 45 minutes if you have existing partitions. [08:48] After I got past that, the base system installation failed... [08:48] So, tried again, and it sort of worked. [08:48] Then fstab wasn't written. [08:48] Then Grub didn't install. [08:48] Then it installed incorrectly. [08:51] sounds terrible [08:52] grub? [08:52] why grub? [08:52] but isn't alternative CD just using d-i? [08:52] What about grub? [08:52] minghua: Indeed it is. [08:52] oh yes, grub [08:52] sorry, I didn't sleep enough [08:52] my mind read lilo [08:52] nevermind me [08:52] Hahah. [08:53] it'd be good if you could file bugs for that [08:53] I think it might have all been related to the hangy thing, as I've never had problems with it before. [08:53] that's the problem of having two complete different installers [08:53] minghua: which ones do you mean? [08:54] stretching the testers thin so that the alternative CD didn't get tested much === surge [n=highvolt@dsl-240-121-135.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:54] Is it possible to get an upload for a one line fix for pysol that stops it from crashing? [08:54] Not fixing bug #105623 before release would be quite bad, I think. [08:54] Malone bug 105623 in devmapper "udev rules missing from udeb" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105623 [08:54] ScottK: We're not frozen here. [08:54] dholbach: the desktop CD uses a different installer as far as I know, doesn't it? [08:54] minghua: the alternative CD gets as much testing from ubuntu developers as the desktop CD [08:54] Great. I'll go make the fix. [08:54] minghua: no it doesn't - ubiquity reuses as many parts of d-i as it can [08:54] ubiquity still uses d-i [08:55] Just, a really mangled d-i. [08:55] minghua: cjwatson put a lot of work into making it just do that [08:55] Fujitsu: ? [08:55] dholbach: okay, my bad then, I don't really know ubiquity [08:56] Well, it uses d-i in parts, but then does very un-d-i stuff. === Fujitsu rewrites /etc/fstab to match other systems. [08:56] BTW, does ubiquity in feisty handle LVM now? [08:56] minghua: Unfortunately no. [08:56] Fujitsu: un-d-i stuff? === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121ofb.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] dholbach: Like, copying the filesystem over. [08:57] Fujitsu: I see. so not much has changed since edgy on that front, then [08:57] minghua: The partitioner is completely new, so it should be easier to add LVM, I think. === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] you can all apply as http://www.ubuntu.com/employment#UIMAIN and make it better :-) === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-16-154.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua is only involved in d-i because of translation [09:03] no way I can apply for that job [09:03] maybe the new UIMAIN will make things better :) === ivoks [n=ivoks@20-45.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] do we have some specilized channel for hardened ubuntu or selinux or something? [09:07] siretart: my first guess would be #ubuntu-security - but it does not exist [09:07] k [09:07] maybe you should create it, I'm sure that pitti and keescook would join in :) [09:07] totally. :) [09:08] I've started to play a bit with selinux, and wanted to discuss it a bit [09:08] keescook is awake! :) === dholbach hugs keescook [09:08] siretart: cool; it's next on my list. [09:08] keescook: really? let's create at and invite 'important' ppl like ajmitch :) === keescook hugs dholbach [09:09] siretart: heheh. well, I'll likely be busy until mid-May before I seriously have time to focus on grok'ing SELinux. I cheated with AppArmor: one of the SuSE devs is local to me. [09:09] ah, I see === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-186-246.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] Brb, checking that nothing explodes on a reboot. [09:10] dholbach: ya know, I think it IS too late for me to be up. :) [09:10] hm. the channel #ubuntu-security does seem to exist, but is just empty [09:10] yeah, though we all get a bit less sleep these days === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-186-246.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:13] dholbach: are you gonna bring some turntables with you to UDS? :):) [09:13] keescook: good idea - I'd just have to drive there :) [09:14] keescook: just 2781km :) [09:14] dholbach: hehe google says 27 hours. ;) [09:14] yep [09:15] I've fixed pysol (again). If anyone from UUS would please have a look, I think that the fix for Bug #106115 is ready for upload. [09:15] Malone bug 106115 in pysol "Missed line in correction for Bug #80287 leaves an import error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106115 [09:16] keescook: I have something like http://tinyurl.com/38adf3 planned for the summer === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:18] dholbach: ooooh, nice! I've always wanted to see Athens. [09:18] it's awesome [09:19] a friend of mine goes everyone few years; his family is from there. [09:19] Actually, UDS will by my first time across the atlantic... [09:20] ScottK: compiling it now... [09:20] keescook: erm, *cough* [09:20] keescook: were you not in Oslo ? [09:20] keescook: Thanks. [09:20] lifeless: I wasn't, no. === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] ah [09:20] heck, LCA was the first time I was across the pacific. :) [09:21] even though I still dont believe you were there. [09:21] hey cassidy [09:21] Only your clone. [09:21] hi dholbach [09:23] lifeless: I spent a good bit of time exploring Sydney, so I hard to spot. :) [09:23] ScottK: rockin', it loads for me; I've uploaded it. :) [09:24] keescook: Thanks. I'll mark it fix released when it hits the repos. === ScottK triaged a few bugs while you were uploading. [09:27] okay, g'night folks... [09:28] keescook: sleep tight === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-186-246.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] night keescook === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-36-24.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LuisBG [n=d33p@87.217.145.136] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === did447 [n=didier@mon75-2-81-57-110-167.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === did447 [n=didier@mon75-2-81-57-110-167.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jml_ [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@a88-114-229-220.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@79.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:27] hi === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] hi [10:36] siretart: there was #ubuntu-hardened [10:36] That has 6 random people in it. [10:37] that's enough I think [10:38] ;) === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:52] siretart: I've got another batch of mails from the u-u-s ml which was delayed >= one day on tauware.de [10:53] geser: perhaps we should move them to lists.ubuntu.com then === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@a88-114-229-220.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@165.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] lists.ubuntu.com isn't always a whole lot better. [11:29] geser: dont whine to siretart, whine to StevenK and us, who are slack. [11:29] er, me [11:29] oh, hi Hobbsee :) [11:29] geser: that being said though, there's a new rule in which means we shouldnt be needing to ack things [11:29] hi siretart [11:29] so much [11:30] geser: at least whine to the right people :P [11:30] new rules? [11:30] narf, rules suck [11:30] ;) [11:31] siretart: anarchy? :) [11:32] :) [11:33] LongPointyStick: I thought you only administer the ML not the MTA === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] geser: the ML was where it was being held up [11:35] LongPointyStick: ah, thanks for the explanation === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] I didn't think of moderation delay as it were only a small portion which was delayed === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spaceinvader [n=server@unaffiliated/spaceinvader] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-52-79.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@2001:388:c1df:0:213:ceff:fef0:bd34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:42] perhaps geser wants to volunteer as additional moderator? [11:43] true [11:43] geser: after a person posts once, and is fine, they get whitelisted [11:47] you are doing a good job [11:47] geser: queue is clear [11:47] it helps greatly with the new rule === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.36.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:48] which mailing list are we talking about? [11:49] I didn't think of the moderation. I've only see some mail appear after the replies and wondered why (and only seen in the received headers that it lied some time on tauware) [11:49] dholbach: the ubuntu-universe-sponsors ml [11:49] ok [11:50] geser: that's absolutely correct :) === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@165.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === freacky22527 [n=arthur@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC@gipp-p-144-139-165-52.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Quitte"] === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === damko [n=damko@host177-31-static.106-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] hi all === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] nixternal, how does one add a comment in a wiki page ( e.g. like in plain html ) [12:27] hey imbrandon [12:27] btw moins Fujitsu ajmitch Hobbsee siretart and anyone else lurking quietly [12:27] heya :) [12:27] ajmitch, you know about the wiki ? ^ [12:27] i'm trying to fixup my debian wiki page lol [12:28] imbrandon: Heja [12:28] heya StevenK [12:28] Debian has a wiki? Who knew [12:28] http://wiki.debian.org/BrandonHoltsclaw [12:28] I know how to do it in mediawiki, but not sure about others [12:28] yup [12:28] they use moinmoin afaik [12:29] Yup, looks like it. [12:30] nope, I don't bother with modern things like wikis [12:30] imbrandon: did you try ? [12:30] minghua, haha actualy no [12:30] lemme try it [12:31] that's what mediawiki uses [12:31] Hey imbrandon. [12:31] nope dosent work === Fujitsu struggles through using irssi for the first time. [12:31] Fujitsu, you use the wiki alot [12:31] imbrandon: Do I!? [12:31] irssi rocks [12:31] News to me. [12:31] lol [12:31] gah [12:32] Is there a way to go to the window of a particular channel without knowing the number? [12:32] just rejoin it [12:32] it wont make a new one [12:32] like /join #blah [12:32] imbrandon: ## comments [12:32] imbrandon: Aha! Thanks. [12:32] Fujitsu, i have some scripts that show the chan name in the bar, makes it much easier to use [12:33] imbrandon: That sounds better! [12:33] imbrandon: fine if you only have a few channels === TheMuso wishes alt + p didn't mean page up. [12:34] imbrandon: once you start getting > 50 or so irssi windows, it'd be a little annoying :) === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [12:34] ajmitch, nah just makes the bar bigger [12:34] i have about 40 right now [12:34] exactly [12:35] bigger == not good [12:35] What bar? === ajmitch just goes by numbers [12:35] I find I'd rather limit my channels. === TheMuso uses alt + [1-0] ,[q-o] , and control + N/P for the rest. :) [12:36] http://federation.imbrandon.com/snapshot1.png [12:36] Fujitsu, ^^ [12:36] StevenK: I tend to leave a few /query windows open for awhile [12:36] imbrandon: 40 channels? really? [12:36] damko, and thats when i cut back, normaly much more [12:36] sometimes over 100 [12:36] :) [12:36] nice wide screen [12:36] Ouch. [12:37] heh, I see you've been talking with chaks [12:37] ajmitch, hehe yea i love my widescreen :) === TheMuso couldn't handle many more channels than he is in now. [12:37] ajmitch, yea i pointed him to you === ajmitch just gets by with 2 monitors [12:37] imbrandon: how can u follow all them and work at the same time? :-O [12:37] damko: Easily. He doesn't work. === StevenK ducks. [12:37] damko, nick hilight ;) [12:37] hahahaha === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] StevenK: :-D === damko is improving his packaging skills wowowo :-D [12:38] first package half working realized :-) === kads [n=kthakore@CPE001310a1899c-CM001692fa7e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] Fujitsu, want me to dig out the script ? i got it from irssi.org === ajmitch would like to have decent, working packages [12:39] ajmitch: are u on the way to learn how to create a package? [12:39] damko: No, he is a MOTU, and a core dev. [12:40] :) [12:40] He helped me become a MOTU, even if in a small way. [12:40] ah sorry .... u know I'm new here and a quite confused too === ajmitch just has some packages that need a bit of love [12:41] i'm waiting on release, then i'm getting back to how busy i was in the edgy cycle /me is looking forward to it [12:41] as far as bug/packageing [12:41] imbrandon: You aren't working as much any ore? :) [12:41] more even [12:41] TheMuso, i did minimal core dev stuff in feisty [12:42] imbrandon: ah ok. [12:42] because of my new job and such, but i'm all settled in a few months now and ready to roar again [12:42] sorry for the newbie question, but are u all worker, studend or what if I can ask === ajmitch barely touched feisty [12:42] Job seeker here. [12:42] code monkey [12:43] damko, i work a job, and MOTU and core-dev , same with ajmitch and StevenK iirc [12:43] and Hobbsee [12:43] Fujitsu, is still a student i think === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] imbrandon: That I am, though I'm working as well. (yes, I'd like that script) [12:44] k one sec [12:44] imbrandon: so it's a hobby to be a MOTU, nothing related with the work ? [12:45] heh [12:45] imbrandon: Thanks. [12:45] damko, well it started as a hobby but my work actualy pays me for ubuntu work 20% of my time [12:45] imbrandon: Lucky you. [12:45] some of us aren't so lucky [12:45] imbrandon: good [12:45] and gives me nice things like unlimited bandwidth for some ubuntu boxen ;) [12:46] good goos [12:46] good [12:46] some of us poor people eke out a living & do ubuntu in spare time [12:46] hehe ajmitch howd the 2 job things pan out ? still in the works ? [12:46] hi imbrandon [12:46] heya Hobbsee [12:46] imbrandon: nothing happening yet [12:48] none of u is working / living in italy? [12:48] Fujitsu, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/default.theme [12:48] put it in your ~/.irssi dir [12:48] i think thats the one [12:49] Your theme will not pull in scripts === ajmitch is not quite in italy [12:49] err right [12:49] Fujitsu, /misc/adv_windowlist.pl [12:50] is the script [12:50] my bad [12:50] grr and since my site uses perl ....... one sec [12:50] damn it [12:51] Downsides of mod_perl, number 453224826282 [12:51] Fujitsu, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/adv_windowlist.pl.txt [12:51] rename it to .pl [12:51] and put it in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ [12:51] then restart irssi [12:55] imbrandon: Thanks. [12:56] Hm, I think I need that graphical notification plugin, or I'm never going to see highlights. === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@203.110.163.74] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] i dont run irssi localy so that wouldent work for me [12:57] irssi sit in screen on the webserver heh [12:57] imbrandon: It could be made to work, but it'd suck. [12:57] yea probably [12:58] ugh my uptime is only 9 days this time :( [01:02] imbrandon: that link gives a 500. [01:03] ugh ok one sec === Hobbsee isnt a core dev, imbrandon === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:05] Hobbsee: That's what they all say. === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] Fujitsu_, here is the same script hosted by someone else [01:06] http://labs.f0rked.com/irssi/mirrors/adv_windowlist.pl [01:06] that dosent fubar on mod_perl === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] Fujitsuh [01:09] Fujitsu_: hm? === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-21-225.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] imbrandon: Aaron Toponce has a blog entry about irssi notifications with dbus over ssh: see http://www.pthree.org/2007/03/21/irssi-gui-notify/ and http://www.pthree.org/2007/03/22/irssi-gui-notify-the-bash-script/ [01:12] geser, cool i'll check it out here in a bit === freeflying__ [n=freeflyi@203.110.163.74] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.6.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] hello === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] Argh, people bitching about democracyplayer. Pity I can't just send them this computer, it works just fine here :) [01:28] RAOF: You can, though. [01:28] :-P [01:28] RAOF: Would you like me to try it? [01:29] Oh, you're welcome too. It might be a nice idea to get some i386 testing :) === ivoks [n=ivoks@38-155.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29]