[12:25] <fgcwatt> DktrKranz, can I use pbuilder to test any distro regardless of kernel/distro I use? 
[12:28] <danohuiginn> fgcwatt: it should work with anything debian-based [correct me if I'm wrong, people] 
[12:36] <crimsun> fgcwatt: what do you mean by "test any distro"?
[12:36] <fgcwatt> dapper; edgy; feisty
[12:37] <Fujitsu> Any Debianish will work.
[12:37] <Fujitsu> So, yes.
[12:37] <Fujitsu> *Anything
[12:37] <fgcwatt> ok...great
[01:41] <keescook> when does universe freeze?  I've got another upload of mythtv with 3 more bugs fixed...
[01:43] <TheMuso> keescook: Twas supposed to be Thursday this week, but nothing has been announced yet. So I don't know where things stand.
[01:44] <ajmitch> keescook: we talked about it at the motu meeting & fixes are still ok
[01:44] <ajmitch> so go for it :)
[01:44] <keescook> TheMuso: yeah, same here.  :)  Okay, then I'll go ahead with the bug fix upload.  :)
[01:44] <ajmitch> 08:13 < sistpoty> dholbach: so it's just regular uploading from the motu pov, right?
[01:44] <ajmitch> 08:14 < dholbach> atm, yes
[01:44] <ajmitch> 08:14 < sistpoty> ok
[01:44] <ajmitch> 08:14 < dholbach> not sure if it's going to change in the remaining 7 days
[01:44] <ajmitch> 08:14 < dholbach> I feel most of us have been quite conservative with their fixes
[01:44] <keescook> ajmitch: cool
[01:45] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Whos doing minutes? SOrry I couldn't make it.
[01:45] <ajmitch> TheMuso: no idea, I guess I should do them tonight
[02:30] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Hail bddebian.
[02:30] <bddebian> Hi Fujitsu
[03:58] <TheMuso>  /c
[03:58] <TheMuso> gah
[04:31] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: how'd the meeting go?
[04:31] <ajmitch> adequate
[04:33] <bddebian> Fruck, I missed another one :-(
[04:33] <ajmitch> yep
[04:44] <bddebian> Oh well I suck anyhoo
[04:45] <ajmitch> bddebian, the motivational speaker
[04:45] <bddebian> :)
[04:48] <Fujitsu> Very nice of crosshurd to clobber my sources.list...
[04:49] <ajmitch> why would you use crosshurd?
[04:49] <Fujitsu> To install a Hurd system?
[04:50] <ajmitch> again, why?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> crosshurd?
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Because I want to see what the Hurd is like at the moment, I suppose!
[04:59] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Ignore ajmitch, he's a traitor ;-P
[05:02] <welshbyte> hmm
[05:03] <joejaxx> hello all
[05:04] <joejaxx> bddebian: lol
[05:06] <bddebian> welshbyte: Yeah, you should fix them all!
[05:07] <welshbyte> ok. 2 secs...
[05:07] <xtknight> please make the stars align first
[05:07] <xtknight> it's more important than this lousy feisty stuff
[05:07] <xtknight> set it to a lower NICE level
[07:41] <unix_infidel> hey guys, do any of the maintainers here expect any drastic changes to the from the beta release point to the official release point?
[07:42] <unix_infidel> i'm hoping i can get away with installing the beta and doing a simple dist upgrade.
[07:52] <ScottK> unix_infidel: You should be able to do that.
[07:54] <AnAnt> ScottK: ping
[07:54] <ScottK> Yes
[07:55] <AnAnt> ScottK: regarding the #105548
[07:55] <ScottK> I know the question you are going to ask.
[07:55] <AnAnt> ScottK: do you have a suggestion to fix it ?
[07:56] <AnAnt> ScottK: really ? what is my question you thought ?
[07:56] <ScottK> I thought the question was how come I said you had a work-around for the problem and not a fix.
[07:58] <AnAnt> yes I do agree that it is NOT a fix
[07:58] <AnAnt> a fix means that it should work with CHARSET=UTF8, right ?
[07:58] <ScottK> AnAnt: I don't know what the fix is, multiple locales isn't something I know a lot about.
[07:58] <AnAnt> ScottK: you  know who can help me with that ?
[07:58] <ScottK> AnAnt: I would think it should work with all the supported charsets.
[07:59] <ScottK> No.  Sorry.  Most of the stuff I do is server programs that don't interact with the keyboard.
[08:00] <AnAnt> ScottK: ok, thanks 
[08:00] <ScottK> You might look in Launchpad for similar bugs and see who has uploaded fixes...
[08:00] <ScottK> Good luck.
[08:00] <AnAnt> k
[08:01] <AnAnt> thanks
[08:04] <unix_infidel> is there a server release out for the beta as well?
[08:04] <unix_infidel> or an alternate-cd release
[08:04] <unix_infidel> ?
[08:06] <ScottK> doko: I have a Python package related problem.  Earlier in the week I did a fix for Bug #80287 for pysol.  In the process I ran across Bug #104971.  As of today's new Python updates, the new (fixed) version of pysol crashes (and takes apport with it), but the original version of pysol works.  I'm not sure what's up.  The traceback is at paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15327/
[08:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 80287 in pysol "Doesn't start in feisty" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80287
[08:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 104971 in python-defaults "Python path appears to be searched out of sequence - intermittent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104971
[08:07] <enyc> unix_infidel: Im actually expecrting the RC versinon... not just beta
[08:09] <enyc> unix_infidel: Beta is  http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/  
[08:09] <unix_infidel> expercrting?
[08:09] <enyc> unix_infidel: expecting
[08:09] <enyc> unix_infidel: apparently RC version supposed to be yesterday
[08:09] <ScottK> doko: The good news is I can no longer reproduce #104971.
[08:09] <doko> ScottK: apparently you are looking for a module random, but you did rename it to pysol_random? don't know 
[08:09] <unix_infidel> enyc: yesterday south africa time?
[08:09] <enyc> unix_infidel: but nobody seems to have let me know where to find it   or that its late or whatever
[08:10] <ScottK> doko: pysol provides it's own random.  That's the one I renamed.
[08:10] <unix_infidel> well, i hope things to smoothly with this release.
[08:10] <enyc> unix_infidel: well 2007/04/12  sometime  whenever thtat means ;-)
[08:10] <unix_infidel> i'll download it on the 15mbit connection later.
[08:10] <unix_infidel> adios.
[08:12] <ScottK> doko: Any traceback I get from a Python console session now triggers apport and it produces it's own traceback.  Is that by design?
[08:15] <doko> ScottK: dpkg -l python2.5 python-apport ?
[08:16] <ScottK> Just a second.
[08:17] <ScottK> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15328/
[08:19] <ScottK> doko ^^
[08:20] <doko> ScottK: I can't reproduce that; could you ask pitti when he's online?
[08:21] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Will do.  doko, does pysol run for you?
[08:25] <lifeless> ScottK-laptop: what do you mean precisely?
[08:25] <lifeless> ScottK-laptop: can you pastebin a transcript ?
[08:25] <doko> ScottK: $ pysol 
[08:25] <doko> Traceback (most recent call last):
[08:25] <doko>   File "/usr/share/games/pysol/pysol.py", line 101, in <module>
[08:25] <doko>     mod = sys.modules[m] 
[08:25] <doko> KeyError: 'random'
[08:25] <doko> seems that the fix/patch is uncomplete
[08:26] <ScottK-laptop> Yes it does, although it at least didn't crash before the python update.
[08:26] <lifeless> ScottK-laptop: I mean the Any traceback I get from a Python console session now triggers apport and it produces it's own traceback.  Is that by design? thing
[08:26] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.
[08:27] <lifeless> I wrote the python apport hook y'see.
[08:27] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[08:27] <ScottK-laptop> Give me a moment and I'll give you a pastbin of it.
[08:28] <ScottK-laptop> lifeless:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15329/
[08:30] <lifeless> ScottK-laptop: can you do:
[08:30] <lifeless> python -c ' from random import Random as _Random
[08:30] <lifeless> '
[08:30] <lifeless> meh
[08:30] <lifeless> python -c 'from random import Random as _Random'
[08:32] <ScottK-laptop> lifeless: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15330/
[08:33] <lifeless> ScottK-laptop: ok, random is broken for your python
[08:33] <ScottK-laptop> lifeless: I am an idiot tonight.
[08:33] <lifeless> ScottK-laptop: regular python console errors trigger an import of the apport code; that code tries to import 'random'. This fails and this creates a new apport error, but now the half imported module is present
[08:34] <ScottK-laptop> versioon.
[08:34] <lifeless> 'version' ?
[08:34] <ScottK-laptop> version
[08:34] <lifeless> absolute imports will help with this
[08:34] <dholbach> good morning
[08:34] <ScottK-laptop> good morning.
[08:35] <ScottK-laptop> lifeless: Yes.  When I try to import random and am not in a directory that has a file named random.py in it, it imports just fine.
[08:39] <ScottK-laptop> lifeless: Do you want me to write a bug against the python apport hook about the imports?
[08:41] <lifeless> ScottK-laptop: why? whats wrong?
[08:41] <lifeless> ScottK-laptop: oh, I see. No, we support 2.4 still
[08:42] <lifeless> oh, apport. It should use them, but when we stop supporting pythons that dont support absolute imports
[08:42] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks for the help.
[08:43] <ScottK> In the mean time it seems smart for applications to not reuse system module names...
[08:46] <Fujitsu> Wow, I never knew Ubuntu could be so difficult to install. That was closer to Gentoo than anything.
[08:47] <dholbach> Fujitsu: what do you mean?
[08:47] <Fujitsu> Well, I ran into that LVM bug on the alternate CD, where it hangs for 45 minutes if you have existing partitions.
[08:48] <Fujitsu> After I got past that, the base system installation failed...
[08:48] <Fujitsu> So, tried again, and it sort of worked.
[08:48] <Fujitsu> Then fstab wasn't written.
[08:48] <Fujitsu> Then Grub didn't install.
[08:48] <Fujitsu> Then it installed incorrectly.
[08:51] <minghua> sounds terrible
[08:52] <dholbach> grub?
[08:52] <dholbach> why grub?
[08:52] <minghua> but isn't alternative CD just using d-i?
[08:52] <Fujitsu> What about grub?
[08:52] <Fujitsu> minghua: Indeed it is.
[08:52] <dholbach> oh yes, grub
[08:52] <dholbach> sorry, I didn't sleep enough
[08:52] <dholbach> my mind read lilo
[08:52] <dholbach> nevermind me
[08:52] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[08:53] <dholbach> it'd be good if you could file bugs for that
[08:53] <Fujitsu> I think it might have all been related to the hangy thing, as I've never had problems with it before.
[08:53] <minghua> that's the problem of having two complete different installers
[08:53] <dholbach> minghua: which ones do you mean?
[08:54] <minghua> stretching the testers thin so that the alternative CD didn't get tested much
[08:54] <ScottK> Is it possible to get an upload for a one line fix for pysol that stops it from crashing?
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Not fixing bug #105623 before release would be quite bad, I think.
[08:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 105623 in devmapper "udev rules missing from udeb" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105623
[08:54] <Fujitsu> ScottK: We're not frozen here.
[08:54] <minghua> dholbach: the desktop CD uses a different installer as far as I know, doesn't it?
[08:54] <dholbach> minghua: the alternative CD gets as much testing from ubuntu developers as the desktop CD
[08:54] <ScottK> Great.  I'll go make the fix.
[08:54] <dholbach> minghua: no it doesn't - ubiquity reuses as many parts of d-i as it can
[08:54] <Fujitsu> ubiquity still uses d-i
[08:55] <Fujitsu> Just, a really mangled d-i.
[08:55] <dholbach> minghua: cjwatson put a lot of work into making it just do that
[08:55] <dholbach> Fujitsu: ?
[08:55] <minghua> dholbach: okay, my bad then, I don't really know ubiquity
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Well, it uses d-i in parts, but then does very un-d-i stuff.
[08:56] <minghua> BTW, does ubiquity in feisty handle LVM now?
[08:56] <Fujitsu> minghua: Unfortunately no.
[08:56] <dholbach> Fujitsu: un-d-i stuff?
[08:57] <Fujitsu> dholbach: Like, copying the filesystem over.
[08:57] <minghua> Fujitsu: I see.  so not much has changed since edgy on that front, then
[08:57] <Fujitsu> minghua: The partitioner is completely new, so it should be easier to add LVM, I think.
[08:58] <dholbach> you can all apply as http://www.ubuntu.com/employment#UIMAIN and make it better :-)
[09:03] <minghua> no way I can apply for that job
[09:03] <dholbach> maybe the new UIMAIN will make things better :)
[09:05] <siretart> do we have some specilized channel for hardened ubuntu or selinux or something?
[09:07] <dholbach> siretart: my first guess would be #ubuntu-security - but it does not exist
[09:07] <siretart> k
[09:07] <dholbach> maybe you should create it, I'm sure that pitti and keescook would join in :)
[09:07] <keescook> totally.  :)
[09:08] <siretart> I've started to play a bit with selinux, and wanted to discuss it a bit
[09:08] <dholbach> keescook is awake! :)
[09:08] <keescook> siretart: cool; it's next on my list.
[09:08] <siretart> keescook: really? let's create at and invite 'important' ppl like ajmitch :)
[09:09] <keescook> siretart: heheh.  well, I'll likely be busy until mid-May before I seriously have time to focus on grok'ing SELinux.  I cheated with AppArmor: one of the SuSE devs is local to me.
[09:09] <siretart> ah, I see
[09:10] <Fujitsu> Brb, checking that nothing explodes on a reboot.
[09:10] <keescook> dholbach: ya know, I think it IS too late for me to be up.  :)
[09:10] <siretart> hm. the channel #ubuntu-security does seem to exist, but is just empty
[09:10] <dholbach> yeah, though we all get a bit less sleep these days
[09:13] <keescook> dholbach: are you gonna bring some turntables with you to UDS?  :):)
[09:13] <dholbach> keescook: good idea - I'd just have to drive there :)
[09:14] <dholbach> keescook: just 2781km :)
[09:14] <keescook> dholbach: hehe google says 27 hours.  ;)
[09:14] <dholbach> yep
[09:15] <ScottK> I've fixed pysol (again).  If anyone from UUS would please have a look, I think that the fix for Bug #106115 is ready for upload.
[09:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 106115 in pysol "Missed line in correction for Bug #80287 leaves an import error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106115
[09:16] <dholbach> keescook: I have something like http://tinyurl.com/38adf3 planned for the summer
[09:18] <keescook> dholbach: ooooh, nice!  I've always wanted to see Athens.
[09:18] <dholbach> it's awesome
[09:19] <keescook> a friend of mine goes everyone few years; his family is from there.
[09:19] <keescook> Actually, UDS will by my first time across the atlantic...
[09:20] <keescook> ScottK: compiling it now...
[09:20] <lifeless> keescook: erm, *cough*
[09:20] <lifeless> keescook: were you not in Oslo ?
[09:20] <ScottK> keescook: Thanks.
[09:20] <keescook> lifeless: I wasn't, no.
[09:20] <lifeless> ah
[09:20] <keescook> heck, LCA was the first time I was across the pacific.  :)
[09:21] <lifeless> even though I still dont believe you were there.
[09:21] <dholbach> hey cassidy
[09:21] <lifeless> Only your clone.
[09:21] <cassidy> hi dholbach
[09:23] <keescook> lifeless: I spent a good bit of time exploring Sydney, so I hard to spot.  :)
[09:23] <keescook> ScottK: rockin', it loads for me; I've uploaded it.  :)
[09:24] <ScottK> keescook: Thanks.  I'll mark it fix released when it hits the repos.
[09:27] <keescook> okay, g'night folks...
[09:28] <dholbach> keescook: sleep tight
[09:32] <lifeless> night keescook 
[10:27] <Tonio_> hi
[10:36] <ajmitch> hi
[10:36] <ajmitch> siretart: there was #ubuntu-hardened
[10:36] <Fujitsu> That has 6 random people in it.
[10:37] <siretart> that's enough I think
[10:38] <siretart> ;)
[10:52] <geser> siretart: I've got another batch of mails from the u-u-s ml which was delayed >= one day on tauware.de
[10:53] <siretart> geser: perhaps we should move them to lists.ubuntu.com then
[11:26] <Fujitsu> lists.ubuntu.com isn't always a whole lot better.
[11:29] <LongPointyStick> geser: dont whine to siretart, whine to StevenK and us, who are slack.
[11:29] <LongPointyStick> er, me
[11:29] <siretart> oh, hi Hobbsee :)
[11:29] <LongPointyStick> geser: that being said though, there's a new rule in which means we shouldnt be needing to ack things
[11:29] <LongPointyStick> hi siretart 
[11:29] <LongPointyStick> so much
[11:30] <LongPointyStick> geser: at least whine to the right people :P
[11:30] <ajmitch> new rules?
[11:30] <siretart> narf, rules suck
[11:30] <siretart> ;)
[11:31] <ajmitch> siretart: anarchy? :)
[11:32] <siretart> :)
[11:33] <geser> LongPointyStick: I thought you only administer the ML not the MTA
[11:34] <LongPointyStick> geser: the ML was where it was being held up
[11:35] <geser> LongPointyStick: ah, thanks for the explanation
[11:37] <geser> I didn't think of moderation delay as it were only a small portion which was delayed
[11:42] <siretart> perhaps geser wants to volunteer as additional moderator?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> true
[11:43] <Hobbsee> geser: after a person posts once, and is fine, they get whitelisted
[11:47] <geser> you are doing a good job
[11:47] <Hobbsee> geser: queue is clear
[11:47] <Hobbsee> it helps greatly with the new rule
[11:48] <dholbach> which mailing list are we talking about?
[11:49] <geser> I didn't think of the moderation. I've only see some mail appear after the replies and wondered why (and only seen in the received headers that it lied some time on tauware)
[11:49] <geser> dholbach: the ubuntu-universe-sponsors ml
[11:49] <dholbach> ok
[11:50] <siretart> geser: that's absolutely correct :)
[12:20] <damko> hi all
[12:26] <imbrandon> nixternal, how does one add a comment in a wiki page ( e.g. like <!-- blah blah --> in plain html )
[12:27] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon 
[12:27] <imbrandon> btw moins Fujitsu ajmitch Hobbsee siretart and anyone else lurking quietly
[12:27] <imbrandon> heya :)
[12:27] <imbrandon> ajmitch, you know about the wiki ? ^
[12:27] <imbrandon> i'm trying to fixup my debian wiki page lol
[12:28] <StevenK> imbrandon: Heja
[12:28] <imbrandon> heya StevenK 
[12:28] <StevenK> Debian has a wiki? Who knew
[12:28] <imbrandon> http://wiki.debian.org/BrandonHoltsclaw
[12:28] <minghua> I know how to do it in mediawiki, but not sure about others
[12:28] <imbrandon> yup
[12:28] <imbrandon> they use moinmoin afaik
[12:29] <StevenK> Yup, looks like it.
[12:30] <ajmitch> nope, I don't bother with modern things like wikis
[12:30] <minghua> imbrandon: did you try <!-- comments --> ?
[12:30] <imbrandon> minghua, haha actualy no
[12:30] <imbrandon> lemme try it
[12:31] <minghua> that's what mediawiki uses
[12:31] <Fujitsu> Hey imbrandon.
[12:31] <imbrandon> nope dosent work
[12:31] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, you use the wiki alot
[12:31] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Do I!?
[12:31] <imbrandon> irssi rocks
[12:31] <Fujitsu> News to me.
[12:31] <imbrandon> lol
[12:31] <imbrandon> gah 
[12:32] <Fujitsu> Is there a way to go to the window of a particular channel without knowing the number?
[12:32] <imbrandon> just rejoin it
[12:32] <imbrandon> it wont make a new one
[12:32] <imbrandon> like /join #blah
[12:32] <minghua> imbrandon: ## comments
[12:32] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Aha! Thanks.
[12:32] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, i have some scripts that show the chan name in the bar, makes it much easier to use
[12:33] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: That sounds better!
[12:33] <ajmitch> imbrandon: fine if you only have a few channels
[12:34] <ajmitch> imbrandon: once you start getting > 50 or so irssi windows, it'd be a little annoying :)
[12:34] <imbrandon> ajmitch, nah just makes the bar bigger
[12:34] <imbrandon> i have about 40 right now
[12:34] <ajmitch> exactly
[12:35] <ajmitch> bigger == not good
[12:35] <TheMuso> What bar?
[12:35] <StevenK> I find I'd rather limit my channels.
[12:36] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/snapshot1.png
[12:36] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ^^
[12:36] <ajmitch> StevenK: I tend to leave a few /query windows open for awhile
[12:36] <damko> imbrandon: 40 channels? really?
[12:36] <imbrandon> damko, and thats when i cut back, normaly much more 
[12:36] <imbrandon> sometimes over 100
[12:36] <imbrandon> :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> nice wide screen
[12:36] <TheMuso> Ouch.
[12:37] <ajmitch> heh, I see you've been talking with chaks
[12:37] <imbrandon> ajmitch, hehe yea i love my widescreen :)
[12:37] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea i pointed him to you 
[12:37] <damko> imbrandon: how can u follow all them and work at the same time? :-O
[12:37] <StevenK> damko: Easily. He doesn't work.
[12:37] <imbrandon> damko, nick hilight ;)
[12:37] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[12:38] <damko> StevenK: :-D
[12:38] <damko> first package half working  realized :-)
[12:39] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, want me to dig out the script ? i got it from irssi.org
[12:39] <damko> ajmitch: are u on the way to learn how to create a package?
[12:39] <TheMuso> damko: No, he is a MOTU, and a core dev.
[12:40] <imbrandon> :)
[12:40] <TheMuso> He helped me become a MOTU, even if in a small way.
[12:40] <damko> ah sorry .... u know I'm new here and a quite confused too
[12:41] <imbrandon> i'm waiting on release, then i'm getting back to how busy i was in the edgy cycle /me is looking forward to it
[12:41] <imbrandon> as far as bug/packageing
[12:41] <TheMuso> imbrandon: You aren't working as much any ore? :)
[12:41] <TheMuso> more even
[12:41] <imbrandon> TheMuso, i did minimal core dev stuff in feisty
[12:42] <TheMuso> imbrandon: ah ok.
[12:42] <imbrandon> because of my new job and such, but i'm all settled in a few months now and ready to roar again
[12:42] <damko> sorry for the newbie question, but are u all worker, studend or what if I can ask
[12:42] <TheMuso> Job seeker here.
[12:42] <ajmitch> code monkey
[12:43] <imbrandon> damko, i work a job, and MOTU and core-dev , same with ajmitch and StevenK iirc
[12:43] <imbrandon> and Hobbsee 
[12:43] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, is still a student i think
[12:44] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: That I am, though I'm working as well. (yes, I'd like that script)
[12:44] <imbrandon> k one sec
[12:44] <damko> imbrandon: so it's a hobby to be a MOTU, nothing related with the work ?
[12:45] <ajmitch> heh
[12:45] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Thanks.
[12:45] <imbrandon> damko, well it started as a hobby but my work actualy pays me for ubuntu work 20% of my time
[12:45] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Lucky you.
[12:45] <ajmitch> some of us aren't so lucky
[12:45] <damko> imbrandon: good 
[12:45] <imbrandon> and gives me nice things like unlimited bandwidth for some ubuntu boxen ;)
[12:46] <damko> good goos
[12:46] <damko> good
[12:46] <ajmitch> some of us poor people eke out a living & do ubuntu in spare time
[12:46] <imbrandon> hehe ajmitch howd the 2 job things pan out ? still in the works ?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon 
[12:46] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[12:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon: nothing happening yet
[12:48] <damko> none of u is working / living in italy?
[12:48] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/default.theme
[12:48] <imbrandon> put it in your ~/.irssi dir
[12:48] <imbrandon> i think thats the one
[12:49] <StevenK> Your theme will not pull in scripts
[12:49] <imbrandon> err right
[12:49] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, /misc/adv_windowlist.pl
[12:50] <imbrandon> is the script
[12:50] <imbrandon> my bad
[12:50] <imbrandon> grr and since my site uses perl ....... one sec
[12:50] <imbrandon> damn it
[12:51] <StevenK> Downsides of mod_perl, number 453224826282
[12:51] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/adv_windowlist.pl.txt
[12:51] <imbrandon> rename it to .pl
[12:51] <imbrandon> and put it in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/
[12:51] <imbrandon> then restart irssi
[12:55] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Thanks.
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Hm, I think I need that graphical notification plugin, or I'm never going to see highlights.
[12:56] <imbrandon> i dont run irssi localy so that wouldent work for me
[12:57] <imbrandon> irssi sit in screen on the webserver heh
[12:57] <StevenK> imbrandon: It could be made to work, but it'd suck.
[12:57] <imbrandon> yea probably
[12:58] <imbrandon> ugh my uptime is only 9 days this time :(
[01:02] <Fujitsu_> imbrandon: that link gives a 500.
[01:03] <imbrandon> ugh ok one sec
[01:05] <Fujitsu_> Hobbsee: That's what they all say.
[01:06] <imbrandon> Fujitsu_, here is the same script hosted by someone else
[01:06] <imbrandon> http://labs.f0rked.com/irssi/mirrors/adv_windowlist.pl
[01:06] <imbrandon> that dosent fubar on mod_perl
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsuh
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: hm?
[01:11] <geser> imbrandon: Aaron Toponce has a blog entry about irssi notifications with dbus over ssh: see http://www.pthree.org/2007/03/21/irssi-gui-notify/ and http://www.pthree.org/2007/03/22/irssi-gui-notify-the-bash-script/
[01:12] <imbrandon> geser, cool i'll check it out here in a bit
[01:20] <jekil> hello
[01:27] <RAOF> Argh, people bitching about democracyplayer.  Pity I can't just send them this computer, it works just fine here :)
[01:28] <StevenK> RAOF: You can, though.
[01:28] <StevenK> :-P
[01:28] <StevenK> RAOF: Would you like me to try it?
[01:29] <RAOF> Oh, you're welcome too.  It might be a nice idea to get some i386 testing :)
[01:29] <StevenK> <- amd64
[01:29] <RAOF> :)
[01:29] <StevenK> But I was planning on using my i386 VM
[01:30] <crimsun> RAOF: hi, have you attempted a merge of banshee 0.12.1? if not, I'll look at it after lecture this morning (ETA 90 mins)
[01:30] <RAOF> crimsun: Well, it'd be my first merge, but I can have a look at it :)
[01:31] <crimsun> RAOF: ok. I haven't inspected it, so I don't know offhand if it's a sync or a merge.
[01:31] <StevenK> RAOF: New Debian release + Ubuntu changes = Ubuntu merge
[01:31] <RAOF> Probably a merge, I've been doing my best to pimp the Ubuntu version :)
[01:31] <StevenK> - Any Ubuntu changes that Debian has taken
[01:32] <crimsun> right, I don't /think/ 0.12.1 contains the fixes in the latest two uploads
[01:32] <ajmitch> or implemented themselves in an equivalent manner
[01:32] <RAOF> Oh, maybe I can slide in a fix for the "banshee doesn't handle the 'stop' mmkey":)
[01:34] <imbrandon> ugh, kernel panics
[01:34] <imbrandon> brb
[01:34] <imbrandon> actualy this might take a bit, back after bit
[01:51] <jekil> if at the moment there is a package in debian sid that there isn't in ubuntu, this package is synced with next unstable relase or i must make a package and submit to REVU
[01:51] <jekil> ?
[01:52] <DktrKranz> jekil, it will be imported in gutsy
[01:52] <jekil> DktrKranz: ok, thanks :)
[01:56] <ajmitch> night
[01:56] <highvoltage> night ajmitch 
[02:09] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: A lot I think.
[02:09] <TheMuso> Are you on the list?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yes.  i'm the admin.  one of
[02:10] <TheMuso> Right.
[02:10] <TheMuso> I actually mean the mailing list, not the team.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> yes, i am
[02:11] <TheMuso> right
[02:11] <TheMuso> Luca has been doing a lot lately.
[02:16] <TheMuso> So who is responsible for approving any fixes for universe from now till release?
[02:18] <StevenK> motu-uvf, I guess
[02:18] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: didnt think we had them yet?
[02:19] <RAOF> So, if I'm merging banshee 0.12.1 from debian, can I also slip in a one-line patch to add an action for the "stop" multimedia key?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> RAOF: for what?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> RAOF: gusty, presumably?
[02:23] <RAOF> I dunno.  Feisty, I think.  crimsun suggested I look at merging banshee.
[02:24] <StevenK> RAOF: You can. Adding something like that this late might get you excommunicated.
[02:24] <RAOF> Yeah, thought so.  Straight merge it is.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> not sure fi even the merge woudl get accepted
[02:24] <Hobbsee> we're 6 days from release, the archives close RSN.
[02:25] <StevenK> Yes, I agree with Hobbsee.
[02:25] <StevenK> 0.12.1 is a new upstream release...
[02:25] <RAOF> Well, I (think) have just done the work involved.  Whether or not it gets in... eh :)
[02:25] <RAOF> A new bugfix release, yes.
[02:26] <StevenK> It still needs a UVF and we're six days from release...
[02:27] <geser> RAOF: you can add additional patches when merging but the question here is if the new version will get accepted
[02:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee: More than likely. 
[02:28] <RAOF> Yeah, certainly.  When crimsun re-appears I can ask him what he was thinking :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> RAOF: there are still unmet deps to do
[02:31] <RAOF> Hm, sleepy time.  Night all!
[02:43] <ScottK> I'd like a MOTU opinion on Bug #105182. Would the best way to solve that (not in Feisty) be to create a metapackage that installs all 4 pysol related packages (e.g. pysol-kitchen-sink or something)?
[02:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 105182 in pysol "installing pysol should install the related sounds & card-sets" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105182
[02:48] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Are you checking to see whether any php-based packages can work with php5?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i hadnt been.  i'm assumign the uploaders did
[02:49] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: bah! You beat me to that one
[02:49] <StevenK> Oh god are they the only unmet deps bugs left?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> StevenK: seems so.  just about
[02:49] <StevenK> Bah!
[02:49] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: at this point, they either dont install or dont work.  *shrug*
[02:49] <TheMuso> As much as I think they should be fixed, I do feel we should check.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> true
[02:49] <StevenK> Hobbsee: s/or/and\/or/
[02:50] <Hobbsee> StevenK: also true
[02:51] <TheMuso> um ok. Weird.
[02:52] <TheMuso> for me at least.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i'm not sure who's they're accepting - because the distro manager is doing it
[02:52] <Hobbsee> so they may be accepting the later one
[02:52] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: ah right
[02:55] <TheMuso> ...don't want work duplicated, particularly at the rate Hobbsee is going.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: go for it.  i stopped for a while
[02:56] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[02:57] <TheMuso> ok its done already
[02:57] <crimsun> StevenK: / Hobbsee: ajmitch and I approved the exception here on irc last week.
[02:57] <crimsun> "the exception" being for banshee 0.12.1, which is a bugfix-only one
[02:58] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right
[02:58] <crimsun> hmm, I need to re-id
[03:00] <crimsun> TheMuso: RE: query: ok, sounds good. Please do bounce the email to me at crimsunkg at yahoo
[03:00] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks, will do right away.
[03:01] <TheMuso> crimsun: Done.
[03:01] <crimsun> TheMuso: thanks
[03:12] <TheMuso> What does one generally do, if a package from Debian is a native package, i.e .tar.gz and no .orig.tar.gz, yet has debian revision numbers, as well as having upstream? debuild asks me if I want to continue, due to no orig tarball available, yet fails even if I do continue...
[03:12] <StevenK> You can forcibly create an orig
[03:13] <StevenK> Or you can deal with it being spuriously native.
[03:13] <StevenK> Spurious is such a cool word.
[03:13] <TheMuso> StevenK: I was thinking of creating an orig, but wanted to know what others did in such crazy situations.
[03:14] <StevenK> TheMuso: Usually, I'll decide to not care.
[03:14] <TheMuso> StevenK: heh
[03:16] <TheMuso> dpkg-source: failure: tar gave error exit status 1
[03:16] <TheMuso> debuild: fatal error at line 1228:
[03:16] <TheMuso> dpkg-source -b tutos2-2.0.20050413 failed
[03:16] <StevenK> TheMuso: I'd need to see why dpkg-source -b died
[03:16] <StevenK> There isn't another error line?
[03:16] <TheMuso> StevenK: Basically tar giving some weird error.
[03:17] <TheMuso> But the second time, it doesn't happen.
[03:17] <TheMuso> I was getting to that, when a second run worked.
[03:17] <StevenK> Odd.
[03:17] <TheMuso> My thought exactly.
[03:17] <StevenK> Maybe your machine is cursed?
[03:18] <TheMuso> Heh dunno. I have seen similar behavior on another package before though, but I didn't have to go through with updating it however.
[03:20] <TheMuso> StevenK: http://www.pastebin.ca/438132
[03:20] <TheMuso> Redoing it all again gave me the error.
[03:22] <StevenK> #
[03:22] <StevenK> tar: tutos2-2.0.20050413/debian/po/POTFILES.in: file changed as we read it
[03:22] <StevenK> #
[03:22] <StevenK> tar: tutos2-2.0.20050413/debian/po/cs.po: file changed as we read it
[03:22] <StevenK> That's *bad*
[03:22] <TheMuso> yep
[03:22] <TheMuso> Thats what I thought.
[03:22] <StevenK> Maybe the clean rule is backgrounding something?
[03:22] <StevenK> Argh, now there's two of them!
[03:23] <TheMuso> StevenK: Yet a second time, that doesn't happen.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> it's probably got something to do with yada :P
[03:23] <TheMuso> SO I don't think something is being backgrounded.
[03:24] <StevenK> If tutos2 uses yada, then I so don't care. :-P
[03:24] <TheMuso> It doesn't.
[03:24] <TheMuso> But that is beside he point... The deps aren't even looked at at this point.
[03:24] <StevenK> I figured.
[03:24] <StevenK> TheMuso: Gimme a minute to finish up what I'm in the middle of, and I'll look at it here.
[03:25] <TheMuso> StevenK: Sure.
[03:27] <TheMuso> StevenK: For reference, the bug is bug 96314, applying the debdiff etc.
[03:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 96314 in tutos2 "[UNMETDEPS]  tutos2 has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96314
[03:28] <StevenK> So noted.
[03:29] <TheMuso> The only project that I have worked with packaging wise that has actually had deacent docs on what is required/what php vers it works with is Drupal.
[03:29] <TheMuso> Everything else I've looked at has had very vague docs.
[03:31] <StevenK> TheMuso: Of course, because the person that wrote it is saying "Duuuuuh, it's PHP" ? :-P
[03:32] <TheMuso> StevenK: heh
[03:32] <StevenK> I should be less scathing of PHP.
[03:32] <StevenK> Naaaaaaaaaaah
[03:32] <TheMuso> The only time I ever deal with PHP is in the context of a well maintained and supported CMS like drupal, where the devs actually know what php is/isn't capable of/flaws etc.
[03:39] <StevenK> TheMuso: Right, I'm all yours. Or something...
[03:39] <TheMuso> StevenK: heh
[03:39] <TheMuso> I guess it would be nice to see if you can reproduce the same problem I get.
[03:42] <StevenK> TheMuso: Running pdebuild, I don't see it.
[03:43] <TheMuso> StevenK: I was just running debuild.
[03:43] <TheMuso> To create a source package.
[03:43] <TheMuso> debuild -S to be more precise.
[03:44] <StevenK> pdebuild also does the same thing.
[03:44] <TheMuso> Hmm ok.
[03:44] <TheMuso> Let me try with that.
[03:44] <StevenK> TheMuso: Try dpkg-source by hand
[03:45] <TheMuso> StevenK: What args get passed to it?
[03:46] <StevenK> -b <dir>
[03:46] <TheMuso> dir being the top level dir of the package I presume.
[03:47] <StevenK> Correct
[03:47] <TheMuso> Ok, I just tried it on another machine, and it did the same.
[03:48] <TheMuso> Yep, got something to do with NFS.
[03:50] <TheMuso> StevenK: Ok, problem solved.
[03:50] <TheMuso> Crazy shit, but there it is.
[03:50] <StevenK> Huzzah!
[03:50] <greg1> hi
[03:50] <TheMuso> Hi greg1.
[03:51] <greg1> Hi TheMuso
[03:52] <greg1> I ve read here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU?action=show&redirect=REVU I need to ask you to resync the  REVU uploaders
[03:52] <greg1> keyring :)
[03:52] <Hobbsee> greg1: sure, will do
[03:55] <DarkSun88> Hi 
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hi DarkSun88 
[03:55] <Hobbsee> greg1: (doing now)
[03:55] <DarkSun88> Hobbsee: Hi :)
[03:56] <greg1> Hobbsee: thx a lot
[03:58] <TheMuso> Source package at http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/ardour2
[03:59] <Hobbsee> greg1: waiting...waiting...
[03:59] <StevenK> TheMuso: ?
[03:59] <TheMuso> sorry wrong window
[03:59] <TheMuso> Meant for ubuntstustudio
[04:04] <Hobbsee> greg1: that's done
[04:06] <greg1> Hobbsee: thx mate 
[04:07] <Hobbsee> greg1: no problems :)
[04:07] <\sh> now
[04:07] <\sh> moins btw
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hi \sh 
[04:09] <\sh> Hobbsee: thx for uploading some php4 unmet deps from luca
[04:09] <Hobbsee> \sh: no problem
[04:12] <DarkSun88> \sh: Hi :)
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:12] <ScottK> Heya
[04:13] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:13] <\sh> moins DarkSun88
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bddebian: going to get rid of the rest of the u-u-s bugs today?  :)
[04:13] <\sh> is konversation broken?
[04:14] <StevenK> \sh: Often
[04:14] <\sh> setting status from away to away == still being away?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> \sh: er, shouldnt do.  could, though
[04:14] <\sh> fck..I switch back to windows ,->
[04:14] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:14] <StevenK> \sh: Feel free. Just so you know, mIRC is much worse.
[04:14] <StevenK> :-P
[04:15] <\sh> StevenK: telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 ,-)
[04:15] <StevenK> Hah
[04:15] <StevenK> \sh: CTCP version me :-P
[04:15] <\sh> StevenK: or reactivating my kmyirc project ,-)
[04:15] <ScottK> keescook: Are we going to be in trouble if we don't bump to clamav 0.90.2 before the release? -> http://lurker.clamav.net/message/20070413.012951.1d50edff.en.html
[04:15] <\sh> lol
[04:15] <\sh> privmsg stevenk 0x001version0x001
[04:16] <Hobbsee> StevenK: heh :P
[04:17] <StevenK> I should set it to mIRC 4.2 (Windows 3.0) or something
[04:25] <bddebian> Hi ScottK, geser, Hobbsee
[04:25] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Uhm, yeah sure :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> bddebian: go on :)
[04:46] <damko> (the first  working one)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> damko: :D
[04:49] <damko> Hobbsee: :-D
[04:49] <damko> damko: it didn't take so much ... only 2 days .. i feel like a donkey :-))
[05:14] <\sh> damko: my first package was also 2 days and 2 nights ,-)
[05:20] <nixternal> heh, mine was 15 minutes ;p
[05:20] <nixternal> my 2nd was 2 days, 2 nights, 2 cases of beer
[05:22] <sacater> my first was 3 dyas
[05:22] <sacater> days*
[05:22] <Hobbsee> \sh: oh headdesk.  please reply to bug 106246
[05:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 106246 in Ubuntu "amd64 install of wine with .deb not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106246
[05:25] <StevenK> He needs ia32-libs
[05:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee, \sh: I've replied and Rejected it.
[05:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:28] <StevenK> "Install ia32-libs. Please don't blame us when you blow up your machine. kthxbye"
[05:31] <\sh> well, it's not even our package ;)(
[05:31] <\sh> it's scotts package from winehq
[05:33] <\sh> reparing to replace wine 0.9.34~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1 (using wine_0.9.34~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1_i386.deb) ...
[05:33] <\sh>  Unpacking replacement wine ...
[05:33] <\sh>  Setting up wine (0.9.34~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1) ...
[05:33] <\sh> this is not ours ,->
[05:33] <StevenK> s/our //
[05:34] <\sh> I just closed all apport bugs for wine, because they don't help anyways...no retrace works because it's deep in enemy windows land
[05:34] <\sh> talked to pitti about it...apport and wine are useless
[05:34] <nixternal> \sh: if you need some wine amd64 testing let me know, I have a breakable 64bit setup here
[05:34] <\sh> if something happens in the wine-preloader ok, but not when wine starts to load unfriendly dlls
[05:35] <\sh> nixternal: well, right now, there are no wine packages with 32bit stuff for amd64...and they will come, when scott and I are finding a good solution to do it. because on amd64 we still need to build win64-support...which is shit right now
[05:36] <nixternal> oh, that I know
[05:36] <nixternal> I decided to try 64bit winshit from the uni, and my lord it was worse than trying to pull hairs from a lions ass
[05:37] <\sh> actually, I think it's good to have package: wine on x86 and x86_64 with their respective arch...and wine32 or something like this for amd64 arch for using wine in 32bit mode...or so...
[05:37] <nixternal> I have never used wine, well I did try it a couple of times to play some online poker, but other than that, never used it
[05:37] <nixternal> back b4 the online poker java clients
[05:38] <nixternal> what do you use Crossover for?
[05:38] <nixternal> I demoed it to a bunch of people at the uni who said they have to have MS Office
[05:38] <nixternal> s/have to have/had to have/
[05:39] <ScottK> All my customers use Office, so I need to deliver documents that look good in their application of choice, not mine.
[05:40] <damko> someone knows a good sw to record the desktop in a avi file ?
[05:41] <\sh> vnc2swf 
[05:41] <\sh> e.g.
[05:41] <\sh> or another screencast software
[05:41] <\sh> mirko mueller is doing those things, check planet or his blog
[05:41] <damko> thanks
[05:42] <damko> instanbul it's quite impossible to use on my system
[05:47] <\sh> travelling home now...bbl
[06:04] <danirus> Hi raphink (or siretart, sistpoty, ajmitch), I've a question about REVU
[06:07] <ScottK> !question
[06:07] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:09] <danirus> true; yesterday I upload a package to REVU with dput, but it's not there, and I didn't receive any email
[06:10] <Adri2000> danirus: are you in the LP team?
[06:10] <danirus> It's TclODBC
[06:10] <danirus> I don't think so
[06:10] <Adri2000> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-contributors
[06:10] <Adri2000> you need to join this team first
[06:11] <raphink> hi danirus
[06:12] <danirus> I think I did it, otherwise how could dput finish without an error message?
[06:12] <raphink> let me see danirus
[06:12] <Hobbsee> danirus: it silently rejects
[06:12] <raphink> what package is it danirus?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> iirc
[06:12] <danirus> TclODBC
[06:12] <raphink> it's not on REVU
[06:13] <raphink> are you sure you actually uploaded it there?
[06:13] <raphink> are you sure you didn't try to upload it to the Ubuntu archive?
[06:13] <danirus> yes, but now I remember that is silently rejected
[06:13] <danirus> no, I changed the dput conf file
[06:13] <raphink> danirus: the fact is that yours files are not on REVU
[06:14] <danirus> I change dput.cf, default_host_main = revu
[06:14] <raphink> even in the rejected dir
[06:14] <danirus> ok, that's enough information
[06:14] <raphink> ;)
[06:14] <danirus> thanks
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> yay my new CPU has SVM
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> $ lsmod | grep kvm
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> kvm                    61148  0 
[06:15] <azeem> what's the freeze status for universe WRT feisty?
[06:15] <raphink> if you upload again now
[06:15] <raphink> I can tell you if it gets there
[06:15] <raphink> while I'm logged in ;)
[06:15] <Hobbsee> azeem: it's not, at the moment
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> I need to figure out how to use it later so I can test Xen out.
[06:15] <raphink> danirus: 
[06:15] <danirus> tell me raphink
[06:15] <azeem> Hobbsee: are syncs of new upstream versions from Debian still theoretically possible, if I bribe people enough?
[06:16] <raphink> danirus: if you upload again now  I can tell you if it gets there  while I'm logged in ;)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> azeem: depends how big the bribes are.
[06:16] <danirus> Ok, I try again
[06:16] <Hobbsee> azeem: effectively, no.  and how big the diff is
[06:16] <azeem> well, Mithrandir was interested in those packages
[06:16] <azeem> I'll discuss whether it's possible with upstream first before I worry about feisty
[06:18] <danirus> raphink: I have given -f, it said the package was already there
[06:18] <raphink> tclodbc right?
[06:18] <danirus> yes
[06:18] <raphink> it's there
[06:18] <raphink> now let's wait for the cron
[06:19] <danirus> raphink, thanks for your support 
[06:19] <raphink> there is something strange though danirus 
[06:19] <raphink> a few strange things actually
[06:19] <raphink> you have 3 files
[06:19] <raphink> tclodbc_2.5-1.dsc
[06:19] <raphink> tclodbc_2.5-1_source.changes
[06:19] <raphink> tclodbc_2.5-1.tar.gz
[06:19] <danirus> yes
[06:20] <raphink> is it supposed to be a native Debian package?
[06:20] <raphink> or does it have an upstream?
[06:20] <danirus> no, is not a Debian package
[06:20] <raphink> no I mean
[06:21] <raphink> did you write the code directly for Debian/Ubuntu yourself?
[06:21] <danirus> no
[06:21] <raphink> or did you get that program from somewhere else?
[06:21] <danirus> the mainstream is maintained in Sourceforge
[06:21] <raphink> then you should have a orig.tar.gz + diff.gz
[06:21] <raphink> also
[06:22] <raphink> do you intend this package to get in Debian or only in Ubuntu?
[06:22] <danirus> only in Ubuntu
[06:22] <raphink> then the version has to be -0ubuntu1 instead of -1
[06:23] <danirus> ok, I remember that, excuse me
[06:23] <raphink> no problem 
[06:23] <raphink> :)
[06:23] <raphink> the weird thing
[06:23] <raphink> is that the package was accepted
[06:23] <raphink> but doesn't appear on the interface
[06:24] <nixternal> hiya raphink!
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[06:24] <raphink> hi nixternal
[06:24] <danirus> Maybe for those mistakes
[06:24] <raphink> danirus: no, these shouldn't block it
< indeed nixternal
[06:26] <raphink> siretart: ping
[06:26] <danirus> raphink: what I did, was to create a new project in Bazaar, and uploaded the original code to an upstream branch, and the modified (for ubuntu, with debian/ dir) to a branch called ubuntu
[06:28] <raphink> it seems no packages have been showing online since 3 days
[06:29] <raphink> and you are not the only person impacted
[06:29] <raphink> ardour2 is not showing either
[06:29] <danirus> ok, thanks again
[06:29] <raphink> we should see about that with siretart
[06:30] <raphink> he's more likely to find where the problem is
[06:30] <danirus> anyway I'll change the version and the other stuff
[06:32] <raphink> I can tell you a few things to fix danirus
[06:32] <raphink> danirus: 
[06:32] <danirus> yes, please
[06:32] <raphink> 1) in the changelog : 
[06:32] <raphink> unstable -> feisty
[06:32] <raphink> 2.5-1 -> 2.5-0ubuntu1
[06:32] <raphink> because this program is likely to exist under version 2.5-1 in Debian one day
[06:32] <raphink> (maybe you could even put it there)
[06:33] <raphink> 2) in control
[06:33] <raphink> are you sure the interpreters section exists?
[06:33] <raphink> never seen it
[06:33] <danirus> yes, I'd like to, I just try here before because I'm using Ubuntu
[06:33] <danirus> me neither
[06:33] <raphink> it's not mandatory, but it's better to put an additional space in front of Homepage
[06:34] <raphink> to show that's it's a pseudo field within the Description field
[06:34] <raphink> it's already nice to have the Homepage entry though :)
[06:35] <danirus> ok
[06:35] <raphink> hmmm
[06:35] <raphink> own licence...
[06:35] <raphink> grrrr
[06:35] <raphink> in debian/rules
[06:35] <raphink> ver=2.5
[06:35] <raphink> pkg=tclodbc
[06:35] <raphink> lib=libtclodbc$(ver).so
[06:35] <danirus> yes... :-(
[06:35] <raphink> this is nice 
[06:36] <raphink> but it could prevent from easily upgrading
[06:36] <raphink> think that you might not be the person upgrading your package
[06:36] <raphink> when a next version comes
[06:36] <raphink> can your package be upgraded to 2.6 or 3.0 with a simple uupdate?
[06:37] <raphink> you also have no configure rule in debian/rules
[06:37] <raphink> you should have a configure rule, and preferably a configure-stamp called by configure
[06:37] <raphink> I don't really see a need for a CONFIGURE variable though
[06:38] <raphink> especially for extanding it in build-stamp
[06:38] <raphink> and ./configure should not be called in build-stamp
[06:39] <raphink> in the clean rule, you can replace
[06:39] <raphink> set -e; [ ! -f ./Makefile ]  || $(MAKE) distclean;
[06:39] <raphink> with 
[06:39] <raphink> -$(MAKE) distclean
[06:39] <raphink> the - in front of the command will allow make to ignore the error if the command fails
[06:40] <raphink> make has a great error management system :)
[06:40] <danirus> ok, I will go with your suggestions
[06:40] <raphink> hmm then
[06:40] <raphink> dh_installdirs usr/lib/$(pkg) usr/lib/$(pkg)/samples usr/lib/$(pkg)/doc
[06:40] <raphink> do you know what dh_installdirs is for exactly?
[06:40] <danirus> I can put them in a file
[06:41] <danirus> I think so
[06:41] <raphink> well the first question is whether you need this
[06:41] <raphink> you already install things in these dirs, using dh_install
[06:41] <raphink> and dh_install creates the directories when installing the files
[06:42] <danirus> ah, ok
[06:42] <raphink> dh_installdirs is merely used to create directories that the program will require
[06:42] <raphink> but that the package will not install otherwise
[06:42] <raphink> e.g. working directories that are empty before running the program
[06:43] <raphink> since you have only one binary in your package, you don't need to specify the -p option for dh_install
[06:43] <raphink> to simplify your code, you could simply have a debian/install file
[06:43] <raphink> that would only contain
[06:43] <raphink> things like 
[06:43] <raphink> pkgIndex.tcl /usr/lib/tclodbc/
[06:44] <raphink> of course this is up to you :)
[06:44] <raphink> I usually find it easier to update simple files like debian/install than to modify debian/rules which is make code
[06:44] <raphink> :)
[06:44] <danirus> it's cleaner like you said
[06:44] <raphink> a few other things
[06:44] <raphink> that you could report to upstream
[06:45] <raphink> many files in the tarball are executable
[06:45] <raphink> like the README and Makefile.in files
[06:45] <raphink> while they should be 644
[06:46] <raphink> did you test building in a pbuilder?
[06:46] <danirus> I found them with those rights, should I change them in the upstream branch of Bazaar?
[06:46] <raphink> wait
[06:46] <danirus> Yes, I built the package for sarge and etch also
[06:46] <raphink> do you modify the source before making the package?
[06:46] <danirus> with pbuilder, well in fact with pdebuild
[06:47] <danirus> I think I change something but now I don't remember what was
[06:47] <raphink> if you modify the sources, you should use patches
[06:47] <raphink> and end up with a orig.tar.gz which is exactly the tarball as distributed by the upstream
[06:48] <raphink> and a diff.gz containing the contents in debian/, including your patches
[06:48] <raphink> you can use dpatch for that for example
[06:48] <raphink> another thing that worries me
[06:48] <raphink> hmmm
[06:48] <raphink> ah
[06:48] <raphink> you don't have an install rule in debian/rules
[06:49] <raphink> you do the install in binary-arch
[06:49] <raphink> although there is an install rule in the Makefile.in of the upstream 
[06:49] <raphink> with a DESTDIR variable
[06:49] <raphink> so you could have an install rule calling
[06:49] <raphink> $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tclodbc/
[06:50] <raphink> the Makefile.in from upstream looks good :)
[06:50] <raphink> well well :)
[06:50] <raphink> I think that's quite a bit already :)
[06:50] <danirus> man, did I something good?
[06:51] <raphink> yes
[06:51] <raphink> your package is good
[06:51] <raphink> don't get me wrong :)
[06:51] <danirus> :-D
[06:51] <raphink> it's even functional (many aren't)
[06:51] <raphink> there's just a lot of details to fix
[06:51] <raphink> some important one
[06:51] <raphink> and some less important ones
[06:51] <raphink> but once a package gets in the archives
[06:51] <raphink> it's harder to fix it
[06:51] <raphink> so better do a perfect (or almost perfect) package from the beginning
[06:52] <raphink> otherwise, if this is your first package, this is a good one
[06:52] <danirus> I really appreciate your suggestions
[06:52] <raphink> ok
[06:52] <raphink> looking forward to seeing the next version of the package
[06:52] <raphink> if you see siretart around, can you tell him about the REVU issue?
[06:52] <danirus> I will do these changes, nice to talk with you ;-)
[06:53] <danirus> sure
[06:53] <raphink> thanks
[06:53] <raphink> I'm off
[06:53] <raphink> bye
[06:53] <danirus> Bye
[07:07] <\sh> re
[07:28] <so1> does someone know when the rc will be available?
[07:29] <dholbach> so1: best to follow the discussions in #ubuntu-devel
[07:29] <dholbach> so1: it all depends on if the kernel is going to be good
[07:29] <ogra> i'm not sure we'll have an RC 
[07:29] <ogra> yesterday there was a discussion to drop RC and have herd6
[07:30] <ogra> (indeed thats only a naming thing :P)
[07:30] <\sh> ;)
[07:31] <so1> ah ok
[07:32] <so1> is work being done about those bugs listed as serious/grave? or aren't they blocker?
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> Who is able to change the "Importance" of a bug in Launchpad?  Also, is there a way to retroactively flag it as a security issue?
[08:02] <stgraber> tonyyarusso: the QA Team
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> stgraber: ah
[08:02] <stgraber> Anyone who has some python knowledge can tell me how to split a variable every 150 chars to an array ? (It's for an SMS sender script :))
[08:07] <shawarma> stgraber: I believe there's room for 160 characters in an SMS.
[08:07] <imbrandon> re
[08:07] <stgraber> yes, but there is an add at the end :) (using a web sender)
[08:07] <stgraber> ad I mean
[08:07] <shawarma> stgraber: Ah.
[08:46] <joejaxx> win 277
[08:46] <joejaxx> bah
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> _277_?!?!?!?
[08:46] <glick> hi
[08:46] <glick> howdy
[08:47] <glick> hey has anyone heard of pymedia?
[08:50] <joejaxx> tonyyarusso: yeah
[08:50] <glick> hey i didnt see pymedia in any of the repos
[08:50] <glick> if its not there can i have it as a package?
[08:51] <joejaxx> tonyyarusso: my highest one is 379 lol
[08:51] <ScottK> glick: If it's not there, look in Debian to make sure they don't have it. packages.debian.org
[08:51] <joejaxx> glick: if it is not in the repos check debian
[08:52] <joejaxx> glick: ^
[08:52] <ScottK> Also check wnpp for Debian intent to package bugs on it.
[08:52] <glick> doesnt appear to be in debian 
[08:54] <glick> joejaxx, its not in debian either
[08:55] <doko_> siretart: lcd4linux FTBFS (you're the debian maintainer as well ;-P )
[09:02] <rgl> hi
[09:03] <glick> so can i package it up and submit it to motu?
[09:06] <ScottK> glick: Yes.  Make a package and put it on REVU.
[09:07] <glick> schweeeeeet
[09:39] <Seveas> fdoving, you around?
[09:39] <fdoving> Seveas: yes.
[09:40] <Seveas> fdoving, your ubuntu membership will expire on may 25. There is no need to renew, since you will stay mmber because you are in the kubuntu-members team. So don't be scared by the mail you will get from launchpad about being expired :)
[09:41] <fdoving> Seveas: ok. thanks for the info :)
[09:42] <fdoving> why will i expire? 
[09:42] <Seveas> membership of the ubuntumembers team expires after 2 years
[09:42] <Seveas> with the possiblity of renewal of course, but in your case that's not needed :)
[09:42] <fdoving> ok. will my ubuntu.com mail dissapear with that group-membership? 
[09:43] <Seveas> no
[09:43] <fdoving> ok.
[09:43] <fdoving> good.
[09:43] <Seveas> unless elmo made a mess ;)
[09:43] <fdoving> 2 years already. time flies when we're having fun :)
[09:43] <Seveas> quite
[09:56] <rmjb> Hi guys, I need to get a fix in to dmraid before feisty ships
[09:56] <rmjb> without the fix upgrades for those with root partitions on FakeRaid arrays break
[10:00] <siretart> doko: wtf? any idea why?
[10:07] <rmjb> any universe sponsors here?
[10:07] <lfittl> rmjb, yep, what do you need?
[10:08] <rmjb> an upload for a bug in dmraid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/93810
[10:08] <ubotu> Malone bug 93810 in dmraid "dmraid not starting on system boot" [Undecided,In progress]  
[10:09] <rmjb> lfittl: want to get it in before feisty
[10:10] <lfittl> rmjb, sure, just looking through the bug report, but there should be no problem with upload
[10:10] <rmjb> cool
[10:12] <lfittl> rmjb, your fix is tested and works? (I don't have a dmraid setup to test)
[10:13] <rmjb> tested by Tormod Volden, who submitted the patch
[10:14] <lfittl> ok, if there are any problems with the upload, are you ok with working on them, or forwarding them to Tormod?
[10:14] <rmjb> Yes, we've even formed an ubuntu-dmraid team in launchpad :)
[10:15] <lfittl> oh, cool :)
[10:16] <lfittl> hmm, your fix is already uploaded?
[10:16] <lfittl> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/d/dmraid/dmraid_1.0.0.rc13-2ubuntu2/changelog
[10:17] <rmjb> I only attached the debdiff
[10:17] <lfittl> ok, same bug, but different fix?
[10:17] <rmjb> yeah, I put the wrong bug# in the last fix :s
[10:18] <lfittl> whats the correct one?
[10:18] <rmjb> will that be a problem for this upload?
[10:18] <lfittl> nope, just fixing it in the old changelog, then the upload is done ;)
[10:19] <rmjb> this fix is for bug #93810, last fix was for bug #98846
[10:19] <ubotu> Malone bug 93810 in dmraid "dmraid not starting on system boot" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93810
[10:19] <ubotu> Malone bug 98846 in dmraid "dmraid starts before udev in rcS.d" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98846
[10:23] <lfittl> rmjb, uploaded, thanks :)
[10:23] <rmjb> no, thank you lfittl
[10:42] <PhinnFort> does driftnet in universe contain the wireless patches?
[10:42] <PhinnFort> !info driftnet feisty
[10:42] <ubotu> driftnet: Picks out and displays images from network traffic. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.1.6-7 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 132 kB
[11:05] <stratus> ajmitch: do you care about devscripts in ubuntu?
[11:05] <ajmitch> 'for those who care about...' :)
[11:05] <ajmitch> is there something wrong?
[11:06] <stratus> ajmitch: lol
[11:06] <stratus> ajmitch: rmadison points to Debian yet
[11:06] <ajmitch> ah
[11:06] <ajmitch> I doubt that can be changed before release
[11:07] <ajmitch> filed a bug?
[11:07] <stratus> no because I dunno if there's a way to do the same thing in Ubuntu that rmadison does
[11:07] <ajmitch> I don't think there's an ubuntu equivalent either
[11:08] <ajmitch> probably a wishlist bug then
[11:08] <stratus> yeah, probably
[11:08] <stratus> ubuntu has something like qa.d.o/madison.php? that's the point ;)
[11:09] <ajmitch> no, so the bug would be about someone implementing such a thing, somehow
[11:09] <damko> newbie programmer quest: i want to learn a programming language. right now I know something about bash and php. but right now I would like to program with a not-scripting language. the target is develop software with GUI and in binary format. what would u suggest to me?
[11:10] <stratus> ajmitch: yes, once ubuntu has it in place somewhere in launchpad, it would be trivial change rmadison and others devscripts with related needs
[11:16] <siretart> doko: hm. rc1 does build in feisty.. hmhm
[11:17] <siretart> damko: why in binary format?
[11:17] <doko> siretart: just noticed the build failure; lacking the time to investigate
[11:19] <ajmitch> doko: just to clarify, what were you suggesting to rpereira about soc?
[11:20] <doko> ajmitch: continuing in query
[11:21] <siretart> ajmitch: how would you think about this update? http://paste.debian.net/25546
[11:22] <damko> siretart: I would like to develop a "real" application
[11:22] <ajmitch> siretart: hard to tell without any other info
[11:23] <siretart> ajmitch: fixes a build failire
[11:23] <siretart> damko: there are a lot "real" python gui applications
[11:23] <joejaxx> ajmitch: are packages allowed to touch files in /etc/security/ ?
[11:23] <siretart> joejaxx: only if they own the files there
[11:23] <damko> siretart: yes I know. infact I think that python is interesting
[11:24] <joejaxx> siretart: what about appending a line into a file
[11:24] <siretart> ajmitch: it's an upgrade from some random cvs snapshot to a release version
[11:24] <siretart> joejaxx: the debian policy is quite clear on that point. I'd suggest to read it
[11:24] <ajmitch> siretart: that sounds better :)
[11:26] <siretart> ajmitch: as debian maintainer, I would think it was a good idea. as UVF guy, I'm rather skeptical. hm
[11:26] <damko> siretart: i would like to spend time studing something complete. I mean a really good platform on which I can build what I want with few limitations 
[11:27] <ajmitch> siretart: you maintain it in debian?
[11:27] <siretart> ajmitch: err, lcd4linux, yes. I took the package over from nobse
[11:27] <ajmitch> ok
[11:27] <ajmitch> I can trust your judgement on it then, and I'm ok with it
[11:28] <ajmitch> yay, -15.25 kernel built, I might have something that'll boot now
[11:28] <siretart> any other uvf guy around? ;)
[11:29] <damko> what's a uvf guy? if i can ask?
[11:29] <crimsun> siretart: reading.
[11:29] <ajmitch> someone in the motu-uvf team
[11:29] <ajmitch> who approves freeze exceptions
[11:30] <damko> thanks u all guy.  i  know I bother u ;-)
[11:30] <crimsun> siretart: seems acceptable to me
[11:30] <siretart> crimsun: In fact, I didn't really look into why the current package FTBFS, it did in the past
[11:30] <siretart> crimsun: recently, upstream released an release candidate, which I uploaded to debian. I just checked that it does build in current feisty
[11:31] <crimsun> an RC is far preferable to a cvs snap
[11:32] <siretart> I agree
[11:32] <siretart> ok, 3 ufv ppl it's good, uploading now. thanks ajmitch & crimsun 
[11:32] <crimsun> np, thank you
[11:32] <rexbron> crimsun: is the universe in deepfreeze?
[11:33] <siretart> ah, wait, it's rather a sync, so I'd need to file a sync request anyway. hrmpf
[11:33] <crimsun> rexbron: nearly
[11:34] <rexbron> crimsun: its just that the US-art packages are sitting in NEW and I was wondering who to bug to get them into the repos before the release
[11:34] <crimsun> rexbron: an archive admin, but please keep in mind they're all working on Feisty RC
[11:35] <rexbron> I thought so
[11:35] <crimsun> I'd really not even begin to ask until after RC releases
[11:35] <rexbron> k
[11:36] <siretart> filed as bug #106352
[11:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 106352 in lcd4linux "please sync lcd4linux_0.10.1~rc1-1 from debian/unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106352
[11:40] <ajmitch> siretart: make sure you mark it as a universe package, with the changelogs :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> best to give them all the info just in case, at this time of the release cycle
[11:49] <siretart> oh right
[11:50] <glick> damn
[11:50] <glick> pymedia is trash
[11:50] <glick> keeps segving
[11:52] <ScottK> Given where we are in the process, I was unsure if a new clamav update would be good or bad.  On the off chance it's good, I put a 0.90.2 package together.  Bug #106357
[11:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 106357 in clamav "UVFe for clamav 0.90.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106357
[11:53] <ScottK> I've got to run, so I went ahead and put it on revu.
[11:55] <ajmitch> looks useful at least
[11:57] <geser> especially as it mentions two fixed CVEs