[12:12] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Best ask someone who uses it then, I know chkconfig.
[12:12] <PhinnFort> intelikey: it does so, by the people that switch to dash themselves
[12:12] <intelikey> jhutchins ammusing example  :)
[12:12] <cheeseboy> can you think of a reason why vmware player can boot my ubuntu install but not my windows?
[12:12] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: update-rc.d add [script]  [runlevel]  i think
[12:12] <PhinnFort> if it looks anything like the gentoo rc-update
[12:13] <intelikey> there is a man page
[12:13] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: update-rc.d should give you usage tips if run by itself or with -h.
[12:13] <slow-motion> n8
[12:13] <PhinnFort> gnight
[12:13] <compilerwriter> I tried to read the man page, and it left me a bit befuddled.
[12:13] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: what do you want to do?
[12:14] <don_jr__> could anyone here tell me the command to use to burn an iso with cdrecord?
[12:14] <jhutchins> should be update-rc.d add kdm default
[12:14] <intelikey> PhinnFort if you're leaving.   don't go away mad.
[12:14] <compilerwriter> I want to see to it that kdm starts up in most run-levels.
[12:14] <PhinnFort> intelikey: i'm not mad, i'm just venting;)
[12:14] <roadfish> how can I deactivate the Print key from starting KSnapShot?
[12:14] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: try default
[12:15] <intelikey> PhinnFort k.   venting is good.   as long as you are carefull how you let the presure off.
[12:15] <PhinnFort> intelikey: I try to keep it to non-personal venting;)
[12:15] <intelikey> :)
[12:15] <KillGore> news:alt.religion.kibology
[12:15] <hitmanWilly> compilerwriter, just remember ubuntu's runlevels are weird
[12:15] <KillGore> join alt.religion.kibology
[12:15] <PhinnFort> roadfish: alt+f2 "kcontrol"
[12:16] <PhinnFort> roadfish: search for "shortcuts"
[12:16] <intelikey> ubuntu runlevels are wierd.  2-5 = all the same.
[12:16] <intelikey> until you alter them.
[12:17] <intelikey> default is only a starting point on the long road to right.
[12:17] <PhinnFort> it's that funky booting thingy?
[12:17] <compilerwriter> I remember that hitmanWilly, that is why I get confused with the things.
[12:17] <cheeseboy> can you think of a reason why vmware player can boot my ubuntu install but not my windows?
[12:17] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: windows suxx000rz is not an alternative?
[12:17] <roadfish> PhinnFort: I don't see a Print binding in "Keyboard Shortcuts"
[12:17] <hitmanWilly> that confused the fsck out of me till i figured it out
[12:17] <PhinnFort> roadfish: sorry, input actions
[12:18] <cheeseboy> PhinnFort ?
[12:18] <Filthpig> cheerios
[12:18] <Filthpig> slight problem
[12:18] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: sorry, I don't know, I don't use VMWare, and I don't use Windows
[12:18] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: if you're on feisty, you can try KVM
[12:18] <Filthpig> I can't create cd audio with k3b cause it claims I've not installed MAD
[12:19] <PhinnFort> !libmad0
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libmad0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <Filthpig> but I play mp3s with amarok oO
[12:19] <PhinnFort> !info libmad0
[12:19] <ubotu> libmad0: MPEG audio decoder library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.15.1b-2.1 (edgy), package size 75 kB, installed size 160 kB
[12:19] <cheeseboy> KVM?
[12:19] <waylandbill> PhinnFort: you're missing out. Everyone does it... maybe not
[12:19] <Filthpig> oh, and libmad0 is installed
[12:19] <compilerwriter> phinnfort here is the usage paste link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15444/
[12:19] <roadfish> PhinnFort: the "Desktop Screenshot" shortcut is blank .. what is "input actions"? something available from kcontrol?
[12:19] <PhinnFort> !kvm | cheeseboy
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <Filthpig> :|
[12:19] <roadfish> wait, I see it now
[12:19] <PhinnFort> yeah
[12:19] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: it's a virtualisation thingy integrated in the Linux kernel
[12:20] <hitmanWilly> !info kvm
[12:20] <ubotu> Package kvm does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[12:20] <PhinnFort> !info qemu
[12:20] <waylandbill> anyone know where Jucato is lately?
[12:20] <ubotu> qemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3630 kB, installed size 9860 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm s390)
[12:20] <compilerwriter> I am thinking update-rc.d kdm defaults, phinnfort; Is that correct.
[12:20] <hitmanWilly> !info KVM
[12:20] <PhinnFort> it uses qemu
[12:20] <roadfish> PhinnFort: ok, got it ... thanks
[12:20] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: probably
[12:20] <PhinnFort> roadfish: yw;)
[12:20] <cheeseboy> hows it work?
[12:20] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: very well
[12:20] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: you on feisty?
[12:20] <cheeseboy> yes
[12:20] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: it has a kernel with KVM
[12:20] <cheeseboy> no but does it run xp?
[12:21] <cheeseboy> or is it like wine?
[12:21] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: yes, most probably
[12:21] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: it's a complete machine emulator
[12:21] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[12:21] <PhinnFort> !info kvm feisty | cheeseboy
[12:21] <ubotu> cheeseboy: kvm: Full virtualization on x86 hardware. In component universe, is optional. Version 16-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 474 kB, installed size 1440 kB
[12:22] <compilerwriter> Well now that was odd PhinnFort.  'System startup links for /etc/init.d/kdm already exist.'  So now why in all that is holy am I having to manually start my xorg?
[12:22] <waylandbill> vmware will do all the OS's you think of. They even have images of free OS's
[12:22] <PhinnFort> waylandbill: kvm/qemu is Free Software
[12:23] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: weird...
[12:23] <waylandbill> PhinnFort: they give images too
[12:23] <cheeseboy> PhinnFort that uses virtual harddrive though
[12:23] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: you don't have to
[12:23] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: replace the filename with /dev/hda*
[12:23] <PhinnFort> waylandbill: they don't give sourcecode
[12:24] <cheeseboy> ok..
[12:24] <waylandbill> I like qemu and the boch project
[12:25] <yintelike> compilerwriter kdm set to console login ?
[12:25] <yintelike> it can be set to do that
[12:29] <intelikey> why am i getting this error ?
[12:29] <intelikey> Cannot stat /dev/tty3: Permission denied
[12:29] <intelikey> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[12:30] <intelikey>  crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 4, 3 Apr  1 21:09 /dev/tty3
[12:30] <qwertyro> a
[12:30] <intelikey> i shouldn't be getting perms errors there
[12:30] <hitmanWilly> huh...
[12:31] <intelikey> daz wierd!   Cannot stat /dev/tty3: Permission denied
[12:31] <intelikey> Unable to open vt 3: Permission denied
[12:32] <intelikey> oh i got it.
[12:32] <intelikey> perms on /dev
[12:32] <intelikey> that was it...
[12:32] <hitmanWilly> :)
[12:33] <don_jr__> anyone here use cdrecord to burn iso's?
[12:33] <cheeseboy>   kvm: Depends: kvm-api-9 but it is not installable
[12:33] <cheeseboy> E: Broken packages
[12:33] <cheeseboy> >:{
[12:33] <intelikey> don_jr__ yeah.
[12:33] <hitmanWilly> cheeseboy, got same error
[12:33] <hitmanWilly> try qemu
[12:33] <cheeseboy> fix  it?
[12:34] <hitmanWilly> nope, not yet anyway
[12:34] <don_jr__> intelikey could you tell me how to do it?  I just tried and it burnt the iso as a data file instead of unpacking it for use
[12:35] <jhutchins> don_jr__: http://www.fornewbie.com/content/view/40/2/
[12:35] <jhutchins> don_jr__: Ignore the stuff about SCSI.
[12:35] <hitmanWilly> don_jr__, try it with the -raw option
[12:35] <intelikey> don_jr__  i'd rather not be guilty of helping you make frisbies/coasters
[12:35] <don_jr__> jhutchins thanks
[12:35] <compilerwriter> yintelike I don't think kdm is set to consle login
[12:35] <intelikey> compilerwriter hmmm.
[12:36] <don_jr__> great, it's giving me a host not found error...
[12:36] <compilerwriter> I have no clue what I did to cause this.
[12:37] <don_jr__> hitmanWilly alright, where do I add that option? lol
[12:37] <compilerwriter> Perhaps something happened with an update and I did not notice the situation because I had been on the same x-session for weeks, intelikey.
[12:37] <hitmanWilly> don_jr__, right after cdrecord i.e. cdrecord -raw <rest of the stuff>
[12:37] <intelikey> i don't use kdm    when i do anything in a gui i just start it by hand.   and before that when i used a dm it was gdm or xdm cause kdm writes in /root/     but check in  /etc/kdm/*kdm.conf*     especially if there is a custom.conf in there
[12:37] <intelikey> compilerwriter or is it /etc/kde/kdm/*
[12:38] <jhutchins> intelikey: the latter.
[12:39] <intelikey> compilerwriter what i would do to test kdm is this.     get in a console and do a  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop     make sure it kills X or kill it your self  then  do a    sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start    and see what it says....
[12:39] <compilerwriter> intelikey it is /etc/dke3/kdm/*
[12:39] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:39] <SharpRazor> hello everyone
[12:39] <SharpRazor> is there anyone willing to help me :)??
[12:40] <intelikey> jhutchins you thinking it's not setup ?
[12:40] <SharpRazor> or at least tell what's wrong:)
[12:40] <jhutchins> SharpRazor: I know you, you're from the department of redundancy department!
[12:40] <compilerwriter> !ask | sharprazor
[12:40] <jhutchins> SharpRazor: How about you tell us what's wrong, and we'll try to tell you how to fix it?
[12:40] <ubotu> sharprazor: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:40] <SharpRazor> :)
[12:40] <SharpRazor> ok
[12:40] <SharpRazor> i have a high pitch noise
[12:40] <SharpRazor> it's not always
[12:41] <compilerwriter> sharprazor get earplugs.
[12:41] <jhutchins> !enter | SharpRazor
[12:41] <ubotu> SharpRazor: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[12:42] <SharpRazor> what enter ?
[12:42] <intelikey> SharpRazor you can just type and type and type ........................................................................................................................................................................  and it only makes one post for us to try to read.    thank you.
[12:42] <intelikey> not
[12:43] <intelikey> like
[12:43] <intelikey> this
[12:43] <SharpRazor> i have a high pitch noise coming out of my speakers, mostly from the left one
[12:43] <compilerwriter> ok jhutchins I did the dpkg thing.  Now should I test as intelikey has suggested?
[12:44] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes
[12:44] <SharpRazor> i don't always have (when i unplug mic plug), and when i try to adjust somethin in Kmix then i lose sound completely
[12:45] <intelikey> sounds like a problem in the sound system    "pardon the pun"
[12:45] <intelikey> !sound
[12:45] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: You should almost always dowhat intellikey suggests, usually before what I suggest.
[12:45] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:46] <compilerwriter> ok will keep that in mind jhutchins
[12:46] <intelikey> SharpRazor maybe the  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting  page could help  ?
[12:46] <intelikey> :)
[12:46] <feierfox> ein hoch auf KDE!
[12:47] <feierfox> viel mehr "eyecandy" als der langweilige GNOME
[12:47] <hitmanWilly> !de | feierfox
[12:47] <ubotu> feierfox: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:47] <feierfox> ahoi und nabend erstmal!
[12:47] <stefano> ciao a tutti
[12:47] <SharpRazor> alright then, then maybe one of You had problem with this high pitch noise??
[12:47] <stefano> there's some italian??
[12:47] <feierfox> ah!
[12:47] <feierfox> sorry!
[12:47] <feierfox> i forgott, that i not in -de
[12:47] <feierfox> :(
[12:47] <intelikey> SharpRazor not i.
[12:47] <feierfox> sorry!
[12:48] <hitmanWilly> feierfox, don't worry about it
[12:48] <intelikey> SharpRazor all my linux exp. with sound is  it either works or i modprobe the driver and then it works....
[12:48] <SharpRazor> ok then people, thank You for all Your help, i really appreciate it, have a good night guys (or I'll be back :) )
[12:49] <intelikey> SharpRazor
[12:49] <intelikey> SharpRazor you can also ask in #ubuntu    it is probably not arts/kde specific
[12:50] <intelikey> sounds more like  alsa  to me.
[12:51] <SharpRazor> thanks mate
[12:51] <feierfox> thanks the buntu-gods, that they fixed the 14'ers Kernel :O
[12:52] <intelikey> great beirded ones ?
[12:53] <compilerwriter> intelikey, I tried the sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start.  It told me it was 'Not starting K window manager; Not the default manager'  WTF?
[12:53] <compilerwriter> I have no teenage women in this house, why do I have poltergeist?
[12:54] <intelikey> grimlins
[12:54] <compilerwriter> I don't remember ever changing the default window manager.  Hell's bells!  I don't think I know how do change it if I wanted to.
[12:54] <intelikey> compilerwriter sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[12:55] <compilerwriter> I did not believe in Friday the 13th before, but now I am reconsidering.
[12:55] <SharpRazor> oh by the way, could anyone tell me if it is normal that when i type aplay -l that it shows two devices(it's one only, built in) one analog and one digital
[12:56] <intelikey> SharpRazor hmmm this is normal for me...  aplay -l
[12:56] <intelikey> aplay: device_list:221: no soundcards found...
[12:56] <intelikey> but my sound works.
[12:57] <pgraves> Is anyone in here familiar with configuring Samba? More specifically user-level access to samba shares? (I am wanting to have some users that can modify the folder contents, while others who cant)
[12:57] <pgraves> Across windows file sharing of course
[12:58] <intelikey> /join #samba
[12:58] <eigentard> Why the fuck can't I tar xzf a file?
[12:58] <intelikey> permission ?
[12:58] <eigentard> it keeps telling me "directory not found"
[12:58] <eigentard> i'm on root konsole
[12:58] <Pricey> eigentard, watch the language...
[12:58] <eigentard> sorry
[12:59] <eigentard> i'm just really annoyed by this
[12:59] <Pricey> eigentard, you want to extract or create?
[12:59] <eigentard> extract
[12:59] <Pricey> eigentard, tar -xzf file.tar
[12:59] <premier_> does anyone here know how to use IpodLinux?
[12:59] <Pricey> eigentard, needs the - afaik
[12:59] <intelikey> try    tar filename.ext
[12:59] <eigentard> it keeps saying it's not found
[12:59] <compilerwriter> intelikey having done that when will the changes take effect?
[12:59] <intelikey> Pricey doesnt' even need the args.
[01:00] <intelikey> compilerwriter right now.
[01:00] <eigentard> "No such file or directory"
[01:00] <eigentard> but it's clearly on my harddrive
[01:00] <intelikey> eigentard then i assume you are not getting the name or path correct.
[01:00] <compilerwriter> so then I should to do the test you described and will work then intelikey.
[01:00] <eigentard> should I cd to the path first and then do it:?
[01:00] <Pricey> eigentard, use "ls" to ensure its in the current directory
[01:00] <Pricey> eigentard, that would help
[01:00] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes
[01:01] <pgraves> can someone help me?
[01:01] <intelikey> eigentard and use the [tab]  key to complete the file name
[01:01] <intelikey> pgraves i didn't see your Q...
[01:01] <eigentard> hrm, I think it might have worked
[01:01] <eigentard> I cd'd to the directory and did it again and it didn't say anything... I'm assuming that means it worked
[01:02] <intelikey> yep
[01:02] <intelikey> eigentard in linux   no error menas no error
[01:02] <compilerwriter> well intelikey, it is like this now.  I went to a console window and told kdm to stop.  Got a message about it not running.  no /var/run/kdm pid.
[01:02] <intelikey> generally speeking anyway.
[01:02] <eigentard> apparently I failed a sanity check :(
[01:02] <eigentard> what does that mean?
[01:02] <adydas> Your insane
[01:02] <compilerwriter> Of course I just typed that to you from the x session that should have stopped.
[01:03] <eigentard> error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[01:03] <eigentard> See `config.log' for more details.
[01:03] <pgraves> Intelikey: I need assistance configuring Samba. I have samba running sharing a folder across a windows network. What I need to do now is to configure "user-level" access to it, so that some windows workstations will have read access, while others may have read/write access... I have NO CLUE how to do that though, lol
[01:03] <adydas> eigentard: you trying to install somthing
[01:03] <intelikey> compilerwriter that's ok.  kdm is not running.  so kill X and do the    sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:03] <eigentard> adydas: yes
[01:03] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, install build-essential
[01:03] <eigentard> an encryption package vfor GAIM
[01:03] <adydas> Firstly what
[01:03] <adydas> but to asnwer you need to do as hitmanWilly just said
[01:04] <eigentard> alright
[01:04] <eigentard> installing now
[01:04] <premier_> intelikey, some one told me to add a book option to prevent my cpu from locking up on boot. Its a intel centrino duo.  But my /boot/grub/menu.lst got reset and I don't know what it was
[01:04] <compilerwriter> crap intelikey I have forgotten how to kill x now.
[01:04] <intelikey> ah yes pgraves sorry i don't know samba,   i did sujest   /join #samba
[01:04] <pgraves> I have joined #samba, its completely silent
[01:04] <premier_> it was like, notsc or not notcp or something
[01:04] <intelikey> compilerwriter ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:04] <eigentard> arg
[01:05] <eigentard> it says i need a newer libgcrypt
[01:05] <eigentard> I tried to apt-get it but it couldn't fin dit
[01:05] <eigentard> anyone know the name of the package?
[01:05] <adydas> what are you trying to install
[01:05] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, try searching in synaptic
[01:05] <intelikey> premier_ i don't know what the option would be   maybe    noacpi    or something ?
[01:05] <adydas> eigentard: what are you trying to install
[01:05] <eigentard> adydas: GAIM encryption package
[01:05] <adydas> eigentard: whats wrong with apt-get installing gaim-encryption - gaim plugin that provides transparent encryption
[01:06] <eigentard> oh
[01:06] <eigentard> didn't know about it
[01:06] <eigentard> let me try
[01:06] <premier_> intelikey: well, I want acpi on, its just every once in a while my compy wont boot with acpi on.  But someone suggest a solution, but I forgot what it was
[01:06] <eigentard> can't find it :(
[01:06] <intelikey> eigentard maybe  libgcrypt11  or  libgcrypt11-dev
[01:06] <adydas> you need to open some repo goodness it souinds eigentard
[01:07] <intelikey> premier_ sorry i don't think it was me.
[01:07] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, open up /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment everything with a deb in front of it
[01:08] <eigentard> ah hah!
[01:08] <eigentard> I think it worked
[01:08] <eigentard> I needed to install libgcrypt11-dev
[01:08] <eigentard> lemme check first though before I get too excited
[01:08] <intelikey> ok.   but i'll go ahead and say "your welcome"
[01:08] <intelikey> :)
[01:09] <pgraves> Can someone PLEASE HELP ME WITH SAMBA... I need assistance configuring Samba. I have samba running sharing a folder across a windows network. What I need to do now is to configure "user-level" access to it, so that some windows workstations will have read access, while others may have read/write access... I have NO CLUE how to do that though, lol
[01:09] <compilerwriter> well intelikey when I did the sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start it told me it was not my default x manager again.  But if I just sudo kdm it fires up an xserver like nothing is wrong and I am now going nucking futs.
[01:09] <eigentard> hrm
[01:09] <eigentard> I dunno if it worked or not
[01:09] <eigentard> I can't see the plugin in the list
[01:10] <nixternal> !caps
[01:10] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[01:10] <pgraves> !caps
[01:10] <pgraves> lol
[01:10] <nixternal> so what does the bot do, he shouts
[01:11] <compilerwriter> !caps | ubotu
[01:11] <pgraves> Anyone able to help me?
[01:11] <ubotu> ubotu: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[01:11] <eigentard> arg...
[01:11] <eigentard> does anyone know why my plugin won't show up in the GAIM plugin list? :(
[01:11] <eigentard> it doesn't work for Windows either
[01:11] <Black_Monkey> I mounted my iPod to a directory in my home dir, and now I can't delete that dir, after the iPod has been removed - how do I delete it?
[01:12] <pgraves> Black Monkey, have you tried switching to root and doing rm -rf /path_to_folder ?
[01:12] <Black_Monkey> yeah
[01:12] <eigentard> compilerwriter: danke, I've already finished off half a liter of whiskey today... what a crappy day...
[01:12] <compilerwriter> macht nichts eigentard.
[01:13] <Black_Monkey> when I go to the properties of the folder, it says "Mounted on /home/andy/ipod"
[01:13] <compilerwriter> Freitag die Dreizehnten ist voll von Sheiss!
[01:14] <compilerwriter> eigentard I am having the day from hell too.
[01:15] <compilerwriter> !ubuntu-de |compilerwriter
[01:15] <eigentard> I just want my damn encryption to install :(
[01:15] <eigentard> why does it have to not work?
[01:15] <Black_Monkey> how do you unmount something?
[01:16] <eigentard> boot disk?
[01:16] <compilerwriter> umount something Black_Monkey
[01:16] <Black_Monkey> ah k, thanks
[01:16] <stefano> big mellows
[01:17] <intelikey> compilerwriter when you ran   sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm you did get the dialog screen asking which dm you wanted to use ?
[01:17] <compilerwriter> intelikey I did, and then I highlighted kdm and said ok
[01:17] <compilerwriter> It seems that I have both gdm and kdm installed for some unknown reason.
[01:18] <intelikey> compilerwriter ok    cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[01:18] <compilerwriter> intelikey perhaps if I totally uninstalled gnome?
[01:18] <intelikey> tell me what it says
[01:19] <intelikey> compilerwriter no need.   just     cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[01:19] <intelikey> do it say    /usr/bin/kdm   ?
[01:20] <intelikey> compilerwriter ?
[01:20] <compilerwriter> intelikey it does indeed say kdm
[01:20] <intelikey> k  give me a sec
[01:20] <zerothis> is this the place to discuss getting my digital camera syncing with linux?
[01:21] <intelikey> compilerwriter  do   ls -l /usr/bin/x-window-manager
[01:22] <intelikey> what it says ?
[01:22] <intelikey> zerothis yes it is.   but i'm prolly not the one to ask.
[01:23] <intelikey> zerothis if it has the option on the camera to use it in "disk mode"  that makes things really easy
[01:23] <compilerwriter> intelikey lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2006-12-13 18:40 /usr/bin/x-window-manager -> /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager
[01:23] <intelikey> compilerwriter ok  ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager
[01:24] <compilerwriter> intelikey it just gets better lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2007-03-23 09:02 /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/enlightenment
[01:24] <angasule> !multimedia_keys
[01:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multimedia_keys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:24] <compilerwriter> WTF
[01:25] <intelikey> :)
[01:25] <clint_> hey
[01:25] <clint_> someone have an rt2500 ?
[01:26] <compilerwriter> intelikey have I somehow gotten some x11 loop going?
[01:26] <adydas> zerothis: it should just plug and play reconise it
[01:26] <intelikey> compilerwriter no don't think so.   loops usually are described as "it hung"
[01:27] <dsmith> hi
[01:27] <intelikey> compilerwriter   sudo update-alternatives x-window-manager
[01:27] <eigentard> this is really weirde
[01:27] <angasule> I can't seem to reconfigure /some/ of my special keys, specifically the email and homepage keys
[01:27] <eigentard> my desktop will apt-get install gaim-encryption
[01:27] <eigentard> but my laptop cannot find the package
[01:27] <intelikey> errrr actually might want to get a man page on that
[01:27] <angasule> they seem hardwired to kmail and konqueror
[01:27] <eigentard> how can I get it so it installs on my laptop>
[01:27] <eigentard> ?
[01:27] <dsmith> anyone ever se ubuntu crash after a vanilla insall, then running a update then upgrade from regular repos.
[01:28] <dsmith> ?
[01:28] <compilerwriter> intelikey 'unknown argument x-window-manager'
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and uncomment everything that starts with a deb
[01:28] <compilerwriter> intelikey uppercase X?
[01:28] <intelikey> compilerwriter   update-alternatives --list x-window-manager
[01:28] <intelikey> sorry
[01:29] <adydas> eigentard: if your still stuck on hitmanWillys advice try this website for some help http://adydas.net/linux/repos.html
[01:29] <eigentard> hitmanWilly: how do I edit it?
[01:29] <adydas> pritty naffy but hopefully some visual aids will help
[01:29] <TheDebugger> I hate a funny ssh problem yesterday.. At a certain moment, i had a message "Power button pressed, shutting down" and i lost all my connections but.. when i got home the same night, the computer was still on
[01:29] <adydas> eigentard: follow the above to edit
[01:29] <intelikey> compilerwriter  sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager         should be what you want.
[01:29] <tuco> Guys is there something I can do to switch off my pc from the terminal as the Log out/Turn off doesn;t do anything and brings a black screen and hangs?
[01:30] <intelikey> compilerwriter i don't use alternatives so i'm having to learn as i go on that one.
[01:30] <eigentard> is a comment two # or also one?
[01:30] <adydas> tuco: halt ?
[01:30] <adydas> eigentard: two or one
[01:30] <intelikey> eigentard one
[01:30] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, one # = comment
[01:30] <eigentard> cool
[01:30] <eigentard> doing this now
[01:30] <adydas> arnt some done with 2 ##s
[01:30] <intelikey> the first one has the second one commented out
[01:30] <zerothis> i have a kodak ES DX4530. It shows in kinfocenter automagically when connected directly and it opens the 'new mediaum' window showing type 'camera'. in the doc it does the same after pusing the ES button or turning the camera on. it will mount fine (camera://USB PTP Class Camera@[usb:001,0xx] /). but konqeror, digicam, f-spot, nor camorama can successfully use it. 'failed to list files in /camera' . konqurer also says 'could not claim usb device'
[01:30] <tuco> basically it brings the wallpaper only and then black screen...the power stays on but no key functions
[01:31] <compilerwriter> intelikey /usr/bin/kwin /usr/bin/fluxbox /usr/bin/xfwm4 /usr/bin/enlightenment
[01:31] <eigentard> I can't save it :(
[01:31] <eigentard> I edited it in kate
[01:31] <eigentard> how do I save it?
[01:31] <intelikey> kwin
[01:31] <intelikey> compilerwriter kwin
[01:31] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, you have to use sudo with kate
[01:31] <eigentard> should I edit it with kdesu kate?
[01:31] <eigentard> ah
[01:31] <eigentard> alright
[01:31] <tuco> adydas> I have to press the reset button to stop my pc
[01:32] <intelikey> eigentard save as   and put it in your home.  then copy it over as root
[01:32] <tuco> and I am tired of it
[01:32] <compilerwriter> intelikey is that a question?
[01:32] <intelikey> compilerwriter no the answer
[01:33] <compilerwriter> So I then need to do an update alternatives kwin? intelikey
[01:33] <intelikey> compilerwriter    sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[01:33] <eigentard> alright cool
[01:33] <eigentard> I saved
[01:33] <eigentard> do I have to reboot or anything?
[01:34] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, no
[01:34] <intelikey> eigentard what did you config ?
[01:34] <hitmanWilly> his sources.list
[01:34] <Minataku> Hm
[01:34] <Minataku> !seen genii
[01:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen genii - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:34] <eigentard> uncommented deb's in source.list
[01:34] <Minataku> Bah
[01:34] <intelikey> eigentard you need to do    sudo apt-get update
[01:34] <eigentard> but it still won't find gaim-install :(
[01:34] <Minataku> Taking !seen out of the bot was so stupid
[01:35] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, just run a sudo apt-get update and its good
[01:35] <intelikey> eigentard that will make all your changes active
[01:35] <compilerwriter> intelikey 'No alternatives for kwin.'
[01:35] <don_jr__> how do I open a zip file from console?
[01:35] <eigentard> ah hah
[01:35] <intelikey> compilerwriter hmmm    what was listed ?
[01:35] <intelikey> compilerwriter wait.   you use beryl.
[01:35] <intelikey> ?
[01:35] <eigentard> only 200k/sec? :(  I wish we had fiber optic here
[01:36] <compilerwriter> intelikey I don't use beryl.  I haven't gotten round to trying it yet.
[01:36] <intelikey> that one was a question just got the wrong punct.
[01:36] <intelikey> ok.
[01:36] <eigentard> yay it works :D
[01:36] <tuco> anyone can help me switching my pc without the necessity of pushing the reset button everytime I want to switch off the machine? Please it is really bothering me.
[01:36] <compilerwriter> Was thinking I would try it next intelikey, but I am afraid I will muck things up if I do now.
[01:37] <intelikey> compilerwriter dpkg -L kubuntu-desktop >/dev/null && echo yes
[01:37] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, (k)ubuntu comes with all the unsupported/proprietary stuff disabled by default for the purists out there
[01:37] <Minataku> tuco: ACPI and "shutdown -h now"
[01:37] <intelikey> compilerwriter i'm still trying to track down what exactly is throwing that error
[01:37] <eigentard> hitmanWilly: : ah, it does?
[01:38] <Minataku> It should finish the whole thing with an ACPI Power Off command
[01:38] <tuco> ACPI?
[01:38] <eigentard> I came to kubuntu after trying to install Sabayon and it not recognizing my NIC
[01:38] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, yes, the repos are there, just turned off by default
[01:38] <Minataku> tuco: If your computer is younger than 5, you have ACPI
[01:38] <compilerwriter> intelikey the output of that command was yes.
[01:38] <eigentard> you can't emerge without having first emerged with some website
[01:38] <troxor> has anyone used avahi for mdns, or knows about what it does/advantages/disadvantages?
[01:38] <tuco> what should I do with ACPI Minataku?
[01:38] <eigentard> and without NIC recognition that's obviously impossible, unless you have the drivers on disk
[01:38] <intelikey> hitmanWilly has nothing to do with "the purists out there"   has everything to do with mark shuttelworth not wanting M$ suing the pants off of him
[01:39] <intelikey> compilerwriter hmmm.    thinking
[01:39] <Minataku> tuco: Nothing
[01:39] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, that too :)
[01:39] <tuco> ok let me try
[01:39] <Minataku> If you have it, then the computer should power itself off after shutdown with the command "shutdown -h now"
[01:39] <dsmith> MS suing for what?
[01:39] <compilerwriter> intelikey I take it you did something with dpkg, redirected the standard error to /dev/null/ and then had it echo yes when it completed properly?
[01:39] <hitmanWilly> ip violation
[01:39] <Minataku> Which shuts the computer down now, and halts it
[01:40] <intelikey> compilerwriter not stderr   stdout   didn't care about the list of files just that the package was installed
[01:40] <hitmanWilly> M$ thinks they have patents on air
[01:40] <dsmith> lol
[01:40] <intelikey> hitmanWilly they do.
[01:40] <intelikey> the bstards
[01:40] <hitmanWilly> yeah, but so does everyone else
[01:41] <compilerwriter> intelikey stderr is &> isn't it?
[01:41] <intelikey>   2>
[01:41] <hitmanWilly> software patents are BS anyway
[01:41] <dsmith> ok I just apt-get updated, lets see if my ubuntu crashes again
[01:41] <hitmanWilly> its like a writer trying to patent the exclamation point
[01:41] <dsmith> good point willy
[01:42] <intelikey> compilerwriter   2>   redirrects stderr    using    2>&1  redirrects stderr into stdout     puts  2 in 1
[01:42] <Minataku> I should try that. Patent sentences.
[01:42] <Minataku> Y'all'd be so screwed
[01:42] <compilerwriter> intelikey I am beginning to remember now.
[01:42] <Minataku> But then I'd be like Microsoft and that's just not right
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> not really you dont need sentence structure to communicate since puctuation is overrated anyway dont you think
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> :)
[01:43] <compilerwriter> intelikey One could in theory do a 1> but why do that when > is interpreted as that anyway, correct?
[01:44] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes you can   and  1>&2  is sometimes used   to put stdout in stderr to keep output from being redirrected
[01:45] <compilerwriter> intelikey goold ole shell scripting on the fly :-)
[01:45] <intelikey> test case # echo `echo boo 1>&2` >/dev/null
[01:45] <compilerwriter> intelikey is a the very least a demi-god
[01:45] <zerothis> so is my digital camera situation hopeless?
[01:46] <intelikey> zerothis not at all.      but i have nothing "usb" so i know extreemly little about that.
[01:47] <zerothis> intelikey: you have nothing usb? how old is your computer?
[01:47] <tuco> Ok it worked Minataku. But what is that problem I am having then?
[01:47] <calamari> hi
[01:47] <intelikey> zerothis it shipped new with windows 95
[01:47] <Minataku> tuco: That it wasn't turning off?
[01:47] <Minataku> That was caused by not using "-h"
[01:48] <Minataku> Which tells shutdown to halt the system when it's all done
[01:48] <zerothis> intellikey: right on, get the most out of it
[01:48] <Minataku> On a system with ACPI, the halt operation powers the system down via ACPI as the last task
[01:48] <calamari> all the sudden my key repeat stopped working.  I check the keyboard settings, it's fine, so I toggle it just in case.. no fix.  try logging out & back in, no fix.. try rebooting, no fix.  Also it's weird because in the terminal the cursor gets wider when I try to backspace.  What's going on? :)
[01:49] <tuco> yes
[01:49] <intelikey> compilerwriter i'm at a loss.    i don't know why kwin is not an option in the update-alternatives
[01:49] <tuco> So I do have to type the key in the terminal each time now?
[01:49] <intelikey> compilerwriter which kwin
[01:49] <tuco> shutdown -h now
[01:49] <Minataku> tuco: Yes, whenever you want to power it down when you're done using it
[01:49] <compilerwriter> intelikey /usr/bin/kwin
[01:50] <Minataku> You can also leave it on 24/7
[01:50] <tuco> craPP!
[01:50] <tuco> the normal switch off won't work again then?
[01:50] <tuco> log out I mean
[01:50] <compilerwriter> intelikey Maybe this has some bearing.  I started out with ubuntu and then did and apt-get to get the kde environment.  I have to shutdown the machine from a terminal.
[01:51] <compilerwriter> intelikey I can't go to the little button then shutdown.
[01:51] <Minataku> tuco: What?
[01:51] <intelikey> compilerwriter this is a hack, if your willing to try it.     sudo rm /usr/bin/x-window-manager ;sudo ln -s /usr/bin/kwin /usr/bin/x-window-manager
[01:51] <tuco> It used to work fine before / Log out/ Turn off computer
[01:52] <ranjan> hi i am having some trouble with amarok
[01:52] <tuco> now it gives me a black screen and stays there
[01:52] <Minataku> tuco: Sorry, I don't know why that happens
[01:52] <compilerwriter> intelikey no complaints from that command.
[01:52] <tuco> :-(
[01:52] <Minataku> That sounds like KDE is failing
[01:52] <intelikey> compilerwriter the rason the de has no shutdown option is because the "?dm" provides the halt/reboot options and you have not been using a dm
[01:52] <ranjan> amarok will not load playlist
[01:52] <Minataku> Since the shutdown process SHOULD return you to a VT
[01:52] <intelikey> compilerwriter test the   sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start     again
[01:52] <Minataku> Then when the system halts it should just stop responding with text on the screen
[01:53] <tuco> I rebooted the machine and I got this: Error - artsmessage : Sound server fatal error cpu overload, aborting!
[01:53] <intelikey> Minataku no power off signal ?
[01:54] <Minataku> intelikey: No clue
[01:54] <compilerwriter> intelikey 'Not starting .......not default display manager.'
[01:54] <Minataku> I'm thinking that KDE isn't actually doing it's shutdown correctly for him
[01:54] <Minataku> Instead it's just crapping out
[01:54] <tuco> You guys know why I got this: Error - artsmessage : Sound server fatal error cpu overload, aborting
[01:55] <Minataku> tuco: Next time you try with the button in KDE and you get the black screen, hit Ctrl+Alt+F1
[01:55] <Minataku> If it brings you to a VT then KDE isn't actually shutting down
[01:55] <intelikey> compilerwriter try   sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm     and set gdm as the default and see what it does...
[01:55] <Minataku> If it does nothing, then something is screwed up
[01:56] <intelikey> compilerwriter test the   sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start     note the G this time.
 If it brings you to a VT then KDE isn't actually shutting down <<<  ?    kde != anything to do with console
[01:57] <tuco> will try, but it looks like no key is responding
[01:58] <compilerwriter> intelikey http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15453/
[01:58] <Minataku> intelikey: Uh, no crap, I'm trying to diagnose his problem
[01:58] <Minataku> Pay attention, it'll keep the taste of foot out of your mouth
[01:58] <intelikey> Minataku ok.  just asking...
[01:59] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm getting the usual hassle elsewhere on the internet and they're really starting to piss me off
[01:59] <compilerwriter> intelikey: test started the gnome display manager.  Though I am now working in kde.  I guess I have them both started now.
[02:00] <intelikey> compilerwriter no.  you have one dm  one  de
[02:00] <intelikey> compilerwriter there is nothing wrong with using gdm to launch kde
[02:00] <compilerwriter> intelikey one dm  one de?
[02:01] <compilerwriter> dm=? and de=?
[02:01] <intelikey> display manager    and   desktop enviorment
[02:01] <compilerwriter> Now I have ha display manager and a desktop environment ok.
[02:02] <compilerwriter> intelikey will gdm fire up kde by default?
[02:02] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes
[02:02] <intelikey> should
[02:02] <compilerwriter> OK.
[02:02] <intelikey> compilerwriter i'm concerned about the error you posted tho
[02:02] <intelikey> compilerwriter cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[02:03] <compilerwriter> Now so long as xming will connect with gdm when I try to fire up an x-session life will be good.
[02:03] <compilerwriter> intelikey /usr/bin/gdm
[02:03] <intelikey> ok.
[02:03] <life> I used Envy to install my NVidia driver, when I tried to restart xserver colored lines with a white fog that slowly disappears, what can I do?
[02:04] <Arwen> life, revert and install the drivers manually?
[02:04] <intelikey> compilerwriter one other thing check  ls /etc/rc`runlevel`.d/???dm
[02:04] <compilerwriter> about to test that now.
[02:04] <life> Arwen, how can I do that?
[02:04] <Arwen> life, with lots of mad skillz?
[02:04] <compilerwriter> intelikey zsh: no matches found: 2.d/???dm
[02:05] <life> Arwen, mh.. any other option around? :p
[02:05] <compilerwriter> intelikey want me to fork sh and try again?
[02:05] <Arwen> life, dunno, I'm not familiar with the script
[02:05] <Arwen> maybe you could analyze it and figure out what it did?
[02:06] <compilerwriter> intelikey either way not found or no matches found.
[02:07] <compilerwriter> intelikey I am clueless how things got to this state, but who knows.  My best guess would be after I tried out enlightenment.
[02:09] <yintelike> compilerwriter i lost connection.
[02:10] <yintelike> did you get my last check this ?
[02:10] <yintelike> compilerwriter one other thing check  ls /etc/rc`runlevel`.d/???dm
[02:10] <compilerwriter> yintelike I figure that out when I saw you rejoin as your syncopated self
[02:10] <compilerwriter> yintelike yes no matches found
[02:11] <yintelike> oh wait.   runlevel give two numbers...  just do    ls /etc/rc2.d/???dm       and i'll assume you haven't changed it.
[02:11] <yintelike> some times i get fuzzy like that.
[02:12] <guga> !cedega
[02:12] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[02:12] <fool> hello
[02:13] <jtt> fool: hi
[02:14] <the_fool> :)
[02:14] <compilerwriter> intelikey not matches found on that test either.  No I have not changed any runlevel stuff .
[02:15] <smoalne> hello
[02:15] <intelikey> compilerwriter oh   upstart...   krap  i forget they changed that.
[02:16] <compilerwriter> upstart ?????
[02:16] <jtt> smoalne: hi
[02:16] <intelikey> compilerwriter well if gdm doesn't start when you boot   we'll burn that bridge at that time.    i sujest you test it.
[02:17] <smoalne> how r' things
[02:17] <compilerwriter> ok intelikey here goes.
[02:17] <jtt> smoalne: little quiet at this time
[02:17] <seidojohn> Hello smoalne
[02:17] <guga> !winex
[02:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:17] <guga> !info winex
[02:17] <ubotu> Package winex does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[02:17] <lettuce_> can i get printer drivers for kubuntu? I have an Hp printer.
[02:18] <Arwen> winex = Cedega, no?
[02:18] <life> what editor can I use in the command line?
[02:18] <Arwen> life, nano, ed, vim
[02:18] <intelikey> nano
[02:18] <life> Arwen, thx
[02:18] <intelikey> ed !    eeeek
[02:18] <Arwen> he just asked for em, he didn't ask for a recommendation
[02:19] <jtt> ed the original at&t editor  only about 30 commands or less
[02:20] <intelikey> jed ok   ed   yuch
[02:20] <intelikey> joe is nice  if you like vi
[02:21] <grinreaaper> hello all...
[02:21] <Arwen> don't wanna try and figure out all those fancy commands in emacs and vim
[02:21] <intelikey> mc -e  for me
[02:21] <jtt> Arwen: vi is just so powerful though
[02:21] <grinreaaper> can anyone look at this sources.list file and tell  me if i got it right.....
[02:21] <grinreaaper> http://pastebin.ca/439028
[02:22] <intelikey> at first glance i didn't much care for mc   but i can't console without it anymore
[02:22] <Arwen> jtt, all I need to do is write, find, and delete... and I don't wanna spend an hour trying to figure out how to make emacs and vi do that
[02:23] <jtt> Arwen: both have steep learning curves but both are great although i prever vi/vim
[02:24] <intelikey> grinreaaper line 40  ?
[02:25] <intelikey> grinreaaper from line 40 on i would cut.   i don't like fixing things that well.
[02:25] <grinreaaper> ?
[02:25] <Arami> Anyone know how to enable to Configuration Editor? It's disabled by default, and I can't find it under the KDE Menu Editor.
[02:25] <steve__> hi...can anyone tell me the command I need to add to a boot option when using a livecd. I'm having problems with my wireless keyboard hanging up the boot. I think it's something like usbhand or something like that
[02:27] <intelikey> grinreaaper you asked.       yeah you did set it up correctly "IF AND ONLY IF" you want packages that are most likely going to cause problems to also be installed.
[02:28] <grinreaaper> intelikey: oh ok so i got to remooove everything from line 40 ?
[02:28] <intelikey> Arami  alt+f2   type in   kcontrol
[02:28] <intelikey> grinreaaper yes ecrything after line 40 from what i saw.
[02:28] <Arami> Ah!
[02:28] <Arami> Lovely, thank you Intelikey.
[02:29] <grinreaaper> ah k... thanks...
[02:29] <intelikey> welcome
[02:29] <intelikey> welcome
[02:30] <intelikey> steve__ wish i knew.
[02:30] <intelikey> google maybe ?   or ask in #ubuntu
[02:30] <carutsu> !rar
[02:30] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[02:30] <steve__> intelikey, at least you answered
[02:31] <carutsu> !unrar-free>carutsu
[02:31] <grinreaaper> intelikey: can u take a look at this...http://pastebin.ca/439037
[02:31] <grinreaaper> http://pastebin.ca/439037
[02:31] <carutsu> does Ark uses unrar free?
[02:31] <steve__> intelikey, I tried google but you get so many irrelevent hits when you enter boot usb wireless keyboard
[02:32] <lettuce_> Is it possible to get printer drivers fo linux?
[02:33] <nixternal> lettuce_: for what printer?
[02:33] <carutsu> does Ark uses unrar free?
[02:33] <nixternal> most HP printers are covered since CUPS is developed by many and sponsored by HP and Apple
[02:33] <lettuce_> it's an hp printer, psc750
[02:33] <nixternal> there isn't a driver already for it
[02:33] <life> whats the command to change the name of a file in the command line?
[02:34] <Arwen> life, mv
[02:34] <nixternal> life: mv old_filename new_filename
[02:34] <Arwen> mv infile outfile
[02:34] <life> thank you again
[02:34] <steve__> ok, so how about this question. What's a good backup program for linux?
[02:35] <nixternal> steve__: Keep or KDar
[02:35] <lettuce_> so is there any way to set up my printer?
[02:35] <nixternal> there are no KDar Feisty packages though, only <edgy
[02:35] <nixternal> lettuce_: have you tried yet?
[02:36] <steve__> nixternal, I'm using edgy
[02:36] <nixternal> steve__: you might want to give KDar a shot
[02:36] <steve__> nix, ok...thanks
[02:36] <nixternal> I have heard some good things about it like yesterday I think
[02:36] <lettuce_> I've tryed to see if I could print documents but my printer was not on the list of thing I could use to print
[02:37] <steve__> nix, I'm a real newbie at Linux and I sure am having problems about everytime I turn around with one thing or another
[02:37] <nixternal> lettuce_: I am pretty sure all of the PSC printers are covered, I have a PSC1610 and it works like a champ
[02:37] <gemidjy> lettuce_: what model/type printer?
[02:37] <nixternal> steve__: you will grow out of that quicker than you think just as long as you keep breaking and fixing :)
[02:37] <lettuce_> psc 750
[02:37] <Daisuke-Ido> have you set the printer up yet?
[02:37] <nixternal> steve__: gotta have patience, which can wear thin at times
[02:38] <lettuce_> printer is plugged in and turned on
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> i'll take that as a no
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> one moment
[02:38] <nixternal> lettuce_: you need to set the printer up first
[02:38] <nixternal> very easy job
[02:38] <gemidjy> lettuce_: have u tried this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6571 ?
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> kcontrol > printers > peripherals
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> it's really easy to do
[02:39] <lettuce_> ok
[02:39] <nixternal> lettuce_: are you using Feisty or Edgy?
[02:39] <lettuce_> edgy
[02:39] <compilerwriter> intelikey I guess we have now crossed the bridge of when gdm does not start on boot.
[02:39] <steve__> nix, like for instance I went to install kdar and it said it couldn't proceed because it had unresolvable dependencies
[02:39] <Arwen> w00t, feisty is good enough to use now!
[02:39] <Arwen> I mean, it has been for a while, but... sweet!
[02:39] <compilerwriter> intelikey comeing to you from irssi.
[02:40] <steve__> nix, here's what it said: Depends: libdar3c2a  but it is not installable
[02:40] <nixternal> lettuce_: KMenu -> System Settings -> Printer
[02:40] <gemidjy> lettuce_: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PSC_750 check thisout
[02:40] <gemidjy> just for info
[02:40] <nixternal> lettuce_: then do :: Add > New Printer
[02:40] <nixternal> lettuce_: there is a driver for the HP PSC 750 in Kubuntu for you, so you don't have to do anything but do the initial setup
[02:41] <Ricky> Does anybody have any idea why my wireless stops working after a short period of time? I am connected using ndiswrapper. Is there some error log I should check next time it stops working?
[02:41] <nixternal> once you get to the driver portion, scroll down to HP, and then you scroll all the way down in the Model: side and you will see the PSC 750
[02:45] <lettuce__> ok, I can't seem to find "add" under system settings and printer
[02:46] <Daisuke-Ido> it's got a magic wand next to it
[02:46] <lettuce__> oh ok there it is :P
[02:46] <Daisuke-Ido> :)
[02:47] <compilerwriter> intelikey you there?
[02:49] <luisgrin> hi, im on kubuntu livecvd, the pc has a partitioned hard disk and it now in booting CENTOS and XP, i want to install kubuntu, but i dont want to loose xp disk
[02:51] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin xp is hdA1?
[02:53] <luisgrin> chemicalvamp: the pc has only one disk it is partiotioned
[02:53] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin yes i know
[02:53] <luisgrin> xp in one partition and centos in the other
[02:53] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin but the xp partition is hda1?
[02:54] <luisgrin> i dont know in what parttion it is, how can i know it?
[02:54] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin im duel booting XP MCE and kubuntu
[02:55] <luisgrin> chemicalvamp: i think one may ..  hace noiw centos and xp)
[02:55] <lettuce__> Printer works! thank you!
[02:56] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin i know "ls /dev/hda*" will list all the hda's but i dont know how to tell whats what unless you mount them
[02:56] <luisgrin> ok, but is there any way to see the current hd**?
[02:57] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin do ls /dev/hda* and tell me what it says
[02:57] <jhutchins> How about fdisk -l
[02:57] <jhutchins> sudo fdisk -l
[02:57] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin if your booting from a live cd, your current current hd* is your ram
[02:58] <luisgrin> sure i see
[02:58] <chemicalvamp> jhutchins hehe thanks for the tip
[02:58] <makuseru> how can i stop flash objects in web pages from being ontop of everything else? (in FF)
[02:59] <jhutchins> makuseru: Turn off flash?
[02:59] <Arami> This is confusing, I've downloaded, and extracted a tar.gz with a bootsplash in it, however, I'm not sure how to load it onto the bootsplash menu in the Control Center...Any ideas?
[02:59] <jhutchins> makuseru: Avoid badly built web sites?
[02:59] <grinreaaper> how do i enable multimedia codecs in kubuntu
[03:00] <makuseru> jhutchins: stop being a jerk
[03:00] <jhutchins> !mp3 | grinreaaper
[03:00] <makuseru> im acctually looking for help
[03:00] <ubotu> grinreaaper: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:00] <makuseru> and not someone telling me to unninstall flash and i dont care how much you hate flash
[03:01] <luisgrin> i dont find the terminal .... wait :)
[03:01] <jhutchins> makuseru: Didn't say uninstall, I said turn off.  You can also try using konqueror or opera, but the problem is that the site has been built badly, and there's not much you can do about that.
[03:01] <makuseru> jhutchins: no, its ANY flash object
[03:01] <makuseru> period
[03:01] <makuseru> any site
[03:01] <makuseru> ever
[03:01] <jhutchins> (Unless, of course, it's your site.)
[03:01] <makuseru> no, its any site
[03:01] <jhutchins> makuseru: Even youtube?
[03:02] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin kde menu, system, konsole
[03:02] <jhutchins> makuseru: Give me an example and I'll see what happens from here.
[03:02] <yo> hello can anyone help me install vlc? i'm new to linux and adept says "break package" something....i downloaded the .tar.gz ...then got g++ and make....but no good !
[03:02] <luisgrin> ok
[03:02] <chemicalvamp> OR just use the run command on the kde menu, and click run in terminal
[03:02] <jhutchins> yo: The details are important. If it's more than two or three lines, use the pastebin in the topic.
[03:03] <compilerwriter> jhutchins I guess intelikey has left us for the moment.
[03:03] <makuseru> go to www.gibson.com theres a flash object on the main page, there are drop down menus above the flash object, if yo uhover over it it drops down, under the flash, the flash puts itsefl ontop of everything, its like that on ever site for me
[03:03] <luisgrin> fdisk -l nothing
[03:04] <jhutchins> makuseru: How's the layout in konqueror?  Mine's fine.
[03:04] <utnubuk> has ubuntu dropped powerpc support?
[03:04] <makuseru> i dunno, never tried in knoqueror, lemme see
[03:04] <jhutchins> makuseru: Oh, yeah, all the pop-down menus drop behind the foreground.
[03:05] <makuseru> jhutchins: its like that on EVERYTHING
[03:05] <makuseru> any site
[03:05] <makuseru> ever
[03:05] <luisgrin> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ ls /dev/hda1
[03:05] <luisgrin> /dev/hda1
[03:05] <jhutchins> makuseru: Use konq.  It works fine there, FF is Fsckd.
[03:05] <luisgrin> i did it from 0 to 5
[03:05] <jhutchins> makuseru: Only on sites using stupid flash dropdown menus.  I have menus on my sites that don't have that problem.
[03:06] <makuseru> your right, its fine in konqueror
[03:06] <makuseru> is there a FF room
[03:06] <jhutchins> makuseru: It _IS_ bad coding on the web site, but knoq compensates.
[03:06] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin what did it say?
[03:06] <makuseru> jhutchins: so its bad on EVERYONES website?
[03:06] <kai__> wasup ppl
[03:07] <jhutchins> makuseru: Not everyone uses stupid flash drop-down menus.
[03:07] <compilerwriter> any way, jhutchins, he said we would cross the bridge when we came to it.  We have crossed the bridge now.  gdm did not start up on its own in reboot.  Further I had to start kdm in order to get xming and xdmcp to work.  So perhaps I need to use kdm and then find out why it will not start on reboot.
[03:07] <luisgrin> only repeat the hda1 or 2 or 3 ...
[03:07] <makuseru> is there a FF room
[03:07] <jhutchins> makuseru: But if they do, and they built them the same way Gibson did, then yeah, it's broken.
[03:07] <luisgrin> ls: /dev/hda0: No such file or directory
[03:07] <luisgrin> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ ls /dev/hda1
[03:07] <luisgrin> /dev/hda1
[03:07] <kai__> Is there any one here that can help mount my ipod in amarok, can someone help me out. I don't remeber the process
[03:07] <jhutchins> makuseru: Yes, #firefox.
[03:08] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin ohh... no do ls /dev/hda* the * is a wildcard it will show, 1, 2, 3, 4, etc
[03:08] <jhutchins> !ipod | kai__
[03:08] <ubotu> kai__: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[03:09] <chemicalvamp> but sudo fdisk -l works a whole lot better
[03:09] <compilerwriter> !rockbox | compilerwriter
[03:09] <luisgrin> ok
[03:09] <kai__> thanx
[03:09] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: The bot covers several channels, he's slow sometimes.
[03:10] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: I'm hoping somebody else will jump in here, because I'm much more familiar with chkconfig than with update-rc.d.
[03:10] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Did you have an ubuntu system you manually updated to kubuntu?
[03:11] <compilerwriter> jhutchins can we fix it with chkconfig?  Yes, I had Ubuntu originally and then did an apt-get to get kde.
[03:11] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Well, yes, but we'd have to install a different Linux distro first.
[03:11] <compilerwriter> I have also gotten enlightenment, fluxbox, and blackbox to try them out.  I am beginning to think the trile to enlightenment screwed things up.
[03:11] <jhutchins> That 'splains it.
[03:12] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: try sudo update-rc.d add kdm default
[03:12] <luisgrin> chemicalvamp: i dont want to keep centos, and i paste you in private
[03:13] <jhutchins> luisgrin: Big pastes can knock you off the server, better to use the pastebin.
[03:13] <jhutchins> !paste | luis
[03:13] <ubotu> luis: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:13] <compilerwriter> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/add: file does not exist jhutchins
[03:13] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Well, it's fairly obvious that either we need -add, --add, or to put add _after_ kdm
[03:15] <jhutchins> Ah, often useful to just run the command.
[03:15] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults.
[03:15] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: It assumes "add".
[03:15] <compilerwriter> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15462/ jhutchins is the usage
[03:16] <compilerwriter> oh you have already looked it up.
[03:16] <thill2708> Why is my feisty not able to read windows burned dvd+r's?
[03:16] <compilerwriter> System startup links for /etc/init.d/kdm already exist. jhutchins
[03:17] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Not very good.
[03:17] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: How have you been starting it?
[03:17] <kai__> I kepe getting error and I don't know what it means '/media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB' does not exist. Import aborted.
[03:17] <compilerwriter> jhutchins: I have been ssh into my box and starting it manually.
[03:18] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: With what command?
[03:19] <grinreaaper> hey are the ports in kubuntu blocked by default in kubuntu?
[03:19] <thill2708> anyone else having problems reading dvd+r's?
[03:20] <Daisuke-Ido> not to my knowledge and no
[03:20] <JasonBox> I just upgraded to Edgy and all my fonts are now 4pt smaller; my DPI as reported by X is the same now as before the upgrade
[03:20] <JasonBox> Tried dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[03:21] <Ricky> In windows, you can type Alt+[unicode numbers]  to type a special character. For instance, Alt+666 just happened to be capital U with an umlaut (two dots) over it. How can I enable such a thing in Ubuntu, or how would I be able to type special characters such as this?
[03:21] <JasonBox> I am at a loss as to how to resolve this; I guess I may have to simply get Edgy and reinstall
[03:23] <reldruh> does anybody know of a keyboard shortcut in kate to switch to the terminal? I looked through the list of shortcuts and couldn't find one...
[03:25] <jhutchins> reldruh: Ctrl-Alt-F[1-6] 
[03:26] <Arami> Anyone have any idea how to install a bootsplash from a tar.gz, I extracted using tar -xvzf command...But I'm at a loss from there.
[03:29] <kai__> what command would I use to find what filesystem to mount?
[03:33] <compilerwriter> kai__ do you mean what type of file system it is?
[03:33] <YbeddJ> where does konsole read its list of fonts from?
[03:34] <YbeddJ> where does konsole read its list of fonts from??
[03:34] <kai__> yes, Thats what i meant, my 'pod doesn mount automatically and the stuff from google hasn't work
[03:34] <YbeddJ> i want tuh change mine but the list is limited
[03:35] <Arami> Anyone have any idea how to install a bootsplash? I extracted from tar.gz, but I can't seem to add it to the list from there.
[03:37] <guga> !seamonkey
[03:37] <ubotu> Seamonkey, formerly known as "Mozilla Application Suite", is available at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ with install instructions for ubuntu at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186011
[03:37] <guga> !botsnack
[03:37] <ubotu> Yum!
[03:38] <kai__> compilerwriter: basically I need to know find out what filesystem to mount to use my ipod and I can't find it. My ipod doesn't mount or anything and I don't know why
[03:40] <Arami> Ok, how about this question: Why whenever I use "make" it tells me "Command not found"
[03:41] <BluesKaj> Arami: you have to install "make"
[03:41] <Arami> >.< And apparently a C compiler too.
[03:41] <BluesKaj> it's a script
[03:41] <Arami> "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
[03:42] <Dasnipa`> Arami, right... you need to install g++ and automake
[03:42] <Dasnipa`> and probably a number of librarys that ./configure will tell you that you need once you have the first two things
[03:42] <dickmc> anyone know how I can become root in a terminal?
[03:42] <Dasnipa`> !root | dickmc
[03:43] <ubotu> dickmc: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:43] <dazza> dickmc: sudo -s
[03:43] <YbeddJ> !konsole
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:44] <Arami> Hmm.
[03:44] <thill2708> This (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/1685) reports the question is answered, but I find no answer to my dvd+r problem. Any other places I could look besides ubuntuforums?
[03:45] <dickmc> Thanks but I need to become root to install Acrobat to finish my taxes  sudo won't do it
[03:46] <Arami> This is confusing *facepalm* I'm attempting to find this complier to install...But I've no idea where to look >.<
[03:49] <[pyro] > hey guys. i installed the nvidia drivers as per instructions on the forum. now when i boot my edgy machine i dont get my kde login. I have to press CTRL ALT F7 and then the nvidia logo comes up and then i get the login. If i dont touch it it just sits on a black screen and any button i push brings up the first terminal
[03:49] <Sanne> Arami: you need the package build-essential
[03:49] <chemicalvamp> [pyro]  sounds like you messed up your xserver
[03:50] <[pyro] > chemicalvamp: when i press ALT CTRL F7 to switch to that term, the login comes up ok. every time. At first i thought it was booting into init 3 instead of 5, but its definatly booting to init 5
[03:53] <Arami> People keep mentioning this build-essential
[03:53] <Arami> I've looked in Adept :P
[03:53] <Arami> No build-essential there...
[03:54] <dickmc> dazza, ubotu, Ybeddj  thanks
[03:55] <YbeddJ> k
[03:55] <Arami> Even used apt-get install build-essential
[03:55] <Arami> Nothing :P
[03:57] <[pyro] > im looking at some posts on the forum and the recommend using the Envy script to setup nvidia / x etc. Does anyone here not recommend to use this script?
[03:58] <Arami> Sanne: I keep getting this, every way I try it "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "build-essential""
[03:58] <Sanne> Arami: if you have *ubuntu, it should be in repository main.
[03:59] <dazza> Hi, amarok crashes whenever I try to do anything with it under feisty. Is this a known issue?
[04:00] <Arami> Sanne: Is that the list of installed modules in Adept? If so, it's not there.
[04:02] <BluesKaj> dazza: do what in amarok?
[04:03] <Sanne> Arami: sorry, I'm helping another person in another channel also. The "main" repository is enabled by default in kubuntu. Are you on edgy?
[04:03] <dazza> BluesKaj: amarok loads but as soon as i try to click on anything except the playlist items it crashes and an error report opens
[04:04] <BluesKaj> and the error is ?
[04:04] <Sanne> Arami: can you find the package with (in konsole): apt-cache search build-essential
[04:04] <dazza> BluesKaj: it's a stacktrace, dumped into kmail
[04:05] <dazza> brb
[04:06] <BluesKaj> check the kmail trace for the error report and post it in Pastebin
[04:06] <dazza> BluesKaj: i'll do a pastebin thing... hold up
[04:07] <Arami> Sanne: Hmm, uhm, I think this is dapper O_O but, I'm not sure.
[04:07] <dazza> ah, brilliant idea :P amarok stacktrace: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15470/
[04:07] <Sanne> Arami: find out with: cat /etc/lsb-release
[04:07] <Arami> Sanne: using tha command "apt-cache search build essential" just drops the command line back to me.
[04:08] <tinyx> How can I record my screen with Kubuntu?
[04:08] <tinyx> and save it as a video file?
[04:08] <Sanne> Arami: it's apt-cache search build-essential (note the dash)
[04:08] <Arami> Oui, Dapper.
[04:08] <tinyx> I need to make an instructional video
[04:08] <Sanne> ok
[04:08] <Arami> Sanne: Ok, did it with the dash, same thing.
[04:09] <Arami> Sanne: just dropped the command line back to me.
[04:09] <Sanne> Arami: funny. I need to look at your sources.list. Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntu-nl.org? do you inwo how to open it with a text editor?
[04:09] <tinyx> Arami: Parlez-vous Francais?
[04:09] <dazza> Arami: try apt-cache policy build-essential
[04:10] <BluesKaj> dazza: I think you need to install the xinelibs and maybe the xine engine as well
[04:10] <Arami> Tinyx: Oui, Je parlez un peu Francias...From 6 years of it O_o And I'm no where's near fluent.
[04:11] <Arami> Sanne: Yes, I'll go get it.
[04:11] <tinyx> hah..neither am I
[04:11] <tinyx> I speak some, but I am not fluent.
[04:11] <dazza> BluesKaj: ok thanks, i'll have a look at what xine stuff is installed
[04:12] <BluesKaj> dazza:  and codecs
[04:13] <dazza> BluesKaj: libxine1 is already installed, as is amarok-xine and amarok-engines
[04:13] <Arami> Sanne:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15471/
[04:13] <dazza> BluesKaj: what package contains the codecs?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> just enter codecs in the serchbar in adept or synaptic
[04:15] <Sanne> Lol, Arami, every line is commented out. You basically have not a singe repository active.
[04:16] <Sanne> Arami: ah, I see the installer did that.
[04:16] <Arami> Sanne: Erm :( I'm a newbie to Linux here, still trying to learn...So what do I do about them not being active? How do I activate them then?
[04:17] <conorkirk1> I am trying to have Amarok load my music from another computer
[04:17] <conorkirk1> but when trying to mount it, I get this:
[04:17] <Sanne> Arami: remove the hash sign (#) from the beginning of the line 2 (for a start... that may be not enough in the long run, but for now, it's ok). Open the file with admin permissions by typing: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:17] <conorkirk1> mv /home/ckirkpat/desktop/stuff/* /home/ckirkpat/desktopoverflow/
[04:17] <conorkirk1> sorry
[04:17] <conorkirk1> wrong thing
[04:17] <BluesKaj> commented out means there's a # in front of the deb
[04:18] <conorkirk1> I get this:
[04:18] <conorkirk1>  missing codepage or other error
[04:18] <conorkirk1>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[04:18] <conorkirk1>        dmesg | tail  or so
[04:18] <Sanne> Arami: the hash sign means, everything after that in the line is regarded as a comment and gets ignored by apt.
[04:19] <kubuntu42> did AIM on kopete take a dive?
[04:19] <Arami> Sanne: Done, and I knew the hash sign from a bit of IRC programming :}
[04:19] <conorkirk1> Sysinfo for 'ckirkpat-desktop': Linux 2.6.17-10-powerpc running KDE 3.5.5, CPU:  at 0 MHz (82 bogomips), , RAM: 240/249MB, 87 proc's, 6.30min up
[04:20] <conorkirk1>  missing codepage or other error
[04:20] <conorkirk1>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[04:20] <conorkirk1>        dmesg | tail  or so
[04:20] <conorkirk1> I get that when trying to mount a network drive
[04:22] <Sanne> Arami: ok :). If you saved the sources.list, you can update your package list, either in Adept, or by typing: sudo apt-get update
[04:23] <Arami> Sanne: Ok, I'll try that.
[04:24] <Arami> Sanne: Ok, updates are done. I should be able to compile now?
[04:28] <Sanne> Arami: no, now you should be able to find the package build-essential
[04:28] <dazza> BluesKaj: I installed libxine-extracodecs or something, but the crash is still there
[04:28] <Sanne> Arami: if so, install it, then you should try to compile again
[04:28] <Arami> Sanne: Yep, It's installing now.
[04:29] <Sanne> Arami: nice :)
[04:29] <dazza> Arami: just out of interest, what are you trying to compile?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> dazza: which version of amarok ?
[04:29] <Arami> dazza: Xchat :) I'd used it before, and wanted it here.
[04:30] <dazza> Arami: that's in the repositories, you don't need to compile it
[04:30] <Sanne> Arami: you might also want to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components, tells you a bit about managing repositories and installing and such.
[04:31] <Arami> dazza: Oh it is? Well, I guess it's good that I worked out the ability to install stuff with apt-get install lol
[04:31] <dazza> Arami: now that you've got your repos set up properly you can probably open adept and search for xchat :)
[04:31] <dazza> Arami: yeah or apt-get! :D
[04:32] <Arami> dazza: w00t XD
[04:32] <Arami> Sanne: Do you perhaps have time to answer another question that's been bugging me?
[04:32] <Daisuke-Ido> 90% of what a normal user needs is available through the repos
[04:33] <Sanne> Arami: if it's a quick one... I just told the other person I need to sleep, it's very late here :). But shoot.
[04:34] <Arami> Sanne: I've been trying to install this bootsplash, came in a tar.gz, I extracted it, but I'm kind of at a loss of what to do now O_O
[04:34] <beau> you have make it
[04:34] <beau> go to konsole to that /dir then make
[04:34] <beau> then make install
[04:34] <beau> or something
[04:35] <Sanne> Arami: hmmm, never did that, but I remember seeing a howto. Let me investigate (in case nobody else knows).
[04:35] <dazza> BluesKaj: sorry, got distracted
[04:35] <dazza> BluesKaj: amarok 1.4.5 (using kde 3.5.6)
[04:36] <BluesKaj> strange dazza, it should be working
[04:36] <Arami> dazza: Well I found xchat on adept, but it's for gnome? Is there another version? This is the only one i've found.
[04:37] <Daisuke-Ido> xchat isn't for gnome, it's a gtk+ app
[04:37] <Sanne> Arami: is this for the grub boot screen, whemn you choose which os gets booted, or is it a replacement for usplash, the blue kubuntu image with the progress bar during boot?
[04:37] <Daisuke-Ido> it will work just fine under kde
[04:37] <felzix> hi.  I'm not sure what is going on, but a dialog for logging into LiveJournal keeps popping up (meaning that it returns a lot).  It will only go away if a xkill it, but that just killed kded, thus killing my ability to use some hotkeys.
[04:38] <Sanne> Arami: I also use xchat in Kubuntu, it's fine
[04:38] <Arami> Sanne: It's a replacement for the uplash.
[04:38] <felzix> is there a better place for asking about this than here, and if so, where?
[04:38] <Arami> Sanne: usplash*
[04:38] <dazza> BluesKaj: i know :( i'll probably stick to xine for now
[04:38] <Sanne> Arami: ok, then this may apply: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[04:38] <dazza> BluesKaj: maybe it will stabilise when feisty final comes out
[04:38] <CraZy675> so I got my new monitor working
[04:39] <Sanne> Arami: I hope it helps you, and I say goodnight now, ok?
[04:39] <dazza> Arami: xine is a native gnome/gtk app, there's no version for kde :(
[04:39] <dazza> Arami: it will work fine, but look kinda nasty :)
[04:40] <CraZy675> I had too boot with the live cd which recognized the monitor then I copied the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the hdd install, now everything works great
[04:40] <BluesKaj> dazza: I had it running fine on edgy ...runs even better on feisty , was able to config digital out spdif to the stereo in the the tv room
[04:40] <nandoviski_> Algum Brasileiro ai???
[04:40] <Arami> Sanne: Thanks! :) Goodnight! :)
[04:40] <Sanne> Arami: you're welcome :)
[04:40] <Arami> Sanne: You've been a huge help! :)
[04:40] <Sanne> :)
[04:40] <CraZy675> now I have a fancy monitor, what is the situation with xgl or equivalent on kubuntu?
[04:41] <dazza> BluesKaj: yeah, i expected it to run nicely under feisty because we're so close to a release (and i've only recently reinstalled)
[04:41] <Dasnipa`> CraZy675, that would be Xubuntu
[04:41] <dazza> BluesKaj: it doesn't like something about my setup though
[04:41] <BluesKaj> dazza:  whynot do clean remove / reinstall .
[04:41] <CraZy675> Dasnipa`: okay I'll check that out
[04:41] <dazza> BluesKaj: of amarok? or the OS?
[04:41] <BluesKaj> amarok
[04:42] <dazza> i suppose it can't hurt
[04:42] <dazza> ooh! it's building my collection. that's a step up...
[04:42] <nandoviski_> how i put any channel in AutoJoin??????
[04:43] <Daisuke-Ido> Dasnipa`: what?
[04:43] <BluesKaj> dazza: sometime swe have to do the windows restart thing to get added stuff to work :)
[04:43] <Daisuke-Ido> what does xubuntu have to do with xgl?
[04:43] <dazza> BluesKaj: hehe nasty! i thought we were beyond that :p
[04:43] <felzix> nandoviski: which application are you using?
[04:44] <dazza> BluesKaj: i think i might have fixed it.
[04:44] <dazza> i'm willing to bet the crashes were related to an empty playlist
[04:44] <Dasnipa`> Daisuke-Ido, oops... i thought he said xfce
[04:45] <Noldoaran> quick question: how do I set the programs that start up when my system starts up? (specficlly I want apache to start up, and cherokee not to.)
[04:45] <BluesKaj> it's loading your music , dazza?
[04:45] <Daisuke-Ido> ah
[04:45] <dazza> BluesKaj: yep, loading and playing now
[04:45] <CraZy675> xgl is on xfce?
[04:45] <dazza> BluesKaj: previously i kept deleting the 'sample track' that comes with amarok before trying to build the collection
[04:45] <Daisuke-Ido> CraZy675: no
[04:45] <BluesKaj> cool dazza :)
[04:46] <CraZy675> I didn't think so
[04:46] <dazza> BluesKaj: this time i left it there and just built the collection straight away, now i'm playing music and using it like normal :D
[04:46] <dazza> i think i'll file a bug report
[04:46] <Dasnipa`> CraZy675, sorry... i messed up in my recommendation i got xfce and xgl mixed
[04:46] <utnubuk> i keep getting a kernel panic when i try to boot the live cd on a PPC.
[04:46] <Daisuke-Ido> CraZy675: just curious, are you using nvidia or ati?
[04:46] <CraZy675> ati
[04:47] <utnubuk> even with live video=ofonly
[04:47] <nandoviski_> felzix: Konversation
[04:47] <Daisuke-Ido> utnubuk: are you using a PPC live cd?
[04:47] <CraZy675> older all in wonder
[04:47] <Daisuke-Ido> hmm
[04:47] <utnubuk> Daisuke-Ido: pretty sure.
[04:47] <BluesKaj> funny i use amarok just as a player...I have no music files in it ...streams , cds is all i do
[04:47] <Daisuke-Ido> BluesKaj: i'd pass out without my collection
[04:47] <Daisuke-Ido> although i need to convert it to mysql
[04:47] <utnubuk> are there any comps that are known to be uncompatable?
[04:47] <Daisuke-Ido> sqlite is so slow :(
[04:48] <dazza> BluesKaj: maybe my  theory is wrong then... wouldn't be the first time :)
[04:48] <dazza> Daisuke-Ido: how big is your collection? the speed has never been an issue for me
[04:48] <nandoviski_> felzix: Konversation
[04:48] <BluesKaj> dazza: theory ?
[04:48] <dazza> BluesKaj: about the empty playlist causing the crashes
[04:48] <CraZy675> Daisuke-Ido: I find sqlite slow too I just limited my playlist sizes to 500 and that seems to work
[04:48] <Daisuke-Ido> about 180gb
[04:48] <Daisuke-Ido> not playlist, entire collection
[04:48] <dazza> :o holy shiznit
[04:48] <Daisuke-Ido> i keep playlists small
[04:49] <dazza> mine is about 10gb
[04:49] <CraZy675> i only got 120gb
[04:49] <felzix> nandoviski: go to the Server List (F2), select the server, and click on Edit...
[04:49] <dazza> well i can see why mysql might be beneficial there
[04:49] <Daisuke-Ido> CraZy675: you know you can use mysql as a backend and it speeds it up
[04:49] <CraZy675> Daisuke-Ido: yea i did know that
[04:49] <CraZy675> I forget why I'm not
[04:49] <Daisuke-Ido> which reminds me, i should really set that up while i'm thinking about it
[04:50] <Daisuke-Ido> probably the same reason i'm not
[04:50] <felzix> nandoviski: At the bottom, in "Auto Join Channels" , select "Add..."
[04:50] <Daisuke-Ido> never quite got around to it
[04:50] <nandoviski_> felzix: yes, sure! i am jackass... heheh
[04:50] <BluesKaj> yeah dazza , an empty playlist causing problems is kinda remote to my way of thinking :)
[04:50] <CraZy675> anyhow is XGL still cool or did something else come along
[04:51] <CraZy675> and is it easy to get up and running on kde
[04:51] <Daisuke-Ido> beryl with xgl is doable
[04:51] <Daisuke-Ido> !beryl
[04:51] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:51] <cheeseboy> can someone help me with qemu?
[04:51] <Daisuke-Ido> definitely check that out, and the #ubuntu-effects channel has some really nice links in their topic for getting it running
[04:51] <dazza> i tried beryl this morning under feisty. worked fine but the wm didn't come up
[04:52] <dazza> cheeseboy: what's your question?
[04:52] <Daisuke-Ido> cheeseboy: still trying to run your real windows installation from within a virtualization program?
[04:52] <cheeseboy> yes
[04:52] <Daisuke-Ido> now, are you doing this to play games?
[04:52] <sheldonc> i love you cheeseboy
[04:53] <cheeseboy> yes and for some programming
[04:53] <Daisuke-Ido> games like modern games
[04:53] <Daisuke-Ido> 3d and such
[04:53] <cheeseboy> more emulators
[04:53] <cheeseboy> emulator in emulator
[04:53] <cheeseboy> :)
[04:53] <Daisuke-Ido> there are plenty of emus available native
[04:53] <cheeseboy> they stin though
[04:54] <Daisuke-Ido> really now
[04:54] <cheeseboy> stink
[04:54] <cheeseboy> *
[04:54] <dazza> cheeseboy: qemu has support for 3d?
[04:54] <cheeseboy> and i need windows for programming
[04:54] <Daisuke-Ido> dazza:  no
[04:54] <dazza> cheeseboy: you need windows for programming? that's like saying you need potatoes for beer :p
[04:54] <cheeseboy> well noob programming
[04:55] <dazza> cheeseboy: have you had a look at the mono project?
[04:55] <dazza> cheeseboy: they have a nice visual studio-like ide, and the compiled proggys will run under microsoft .net
[04:55] <cheeseboy> i still want to run windows in it
[04:56] <cheeseboy> dazza no not tht kind of progamming
[04:56] <cheeseboy> a program that doesnt work in linux
[04:56] <dazza> fair enough. i'm afraid i haven't tried converting a native install into a vm
[04:56] <dazza> i always go for a re-install
[04:56] <cheeseboy> trying quemu
[04:56] <dazza> besides which, you'll bump into windows activation issues
[04:57] <dazza> if you need to run both, get a second box and use vnc to create a virtual desktop across two monitors :)
[04:57] <dazza> slightly more expensive but that's the nicest way to do it
[04:59] <dazza> apt-cache show x2vnc
[05:00] <dazza> ok what on earth is going on with copy/paste under feisty? i can't middle-click to paste
[05:00] <cheeseboy> can someone help me with qemu?
[05:00] <dazza> cheeseboy: you will get a better response if you ask a specific question
[05:01] <cheeseboy> how do i boot installed xp in qemu?
[05:02] <YbeddJ> where is the config file 'that tells konsole which fonts are installed' stored?
[05:03] <dazza> cheeseboy: at a guess, qemu -hda /path/to/windows/partition :)
[05:05] <cheeseboy> what would exanmple path be?
[05:06] <dazza> for an ide hard drive on edgy, it could be /dev/hda or /dev/hdb
[05:06] <dazza> or similar
[05:06] <cheeseboy> >:{
[05:06] <dazza> feisty uses /dev/sd[a-z] 
[05:06] <cheeseboy> \disk read error
[05:07] <dazza> you will need to be root to do it i think
[05:07] <dazza> also make sure your windows drive isn't mounted anywhere
[05:07] <dazza> you could do some damage to it
[05:07] <cheeseboy> i got same thing in vmware
[05:07] <angasule> the XF86MyComputer and XF86Mail keys in my keyboard seem to be hardwired to konqueror and kmail, why?? I can't find a way of changing them to something else
[05:08] <dazza> cheeseboy: install straight to a vm, it will save you a *lot* of pain
[05:08] <cheeseboy> no space
[05:08] <dazza> hehehe
[05:08] <dazza> delete some junk :)
[05:08] <dazza> or buy another hdd
[05:08] <noiesmo> cheeseboy, you cant use qemu to run windows thats installed on your harddrive ie the windows on a dual boot system. with qemu u can make an image that you can boot check this link http://kidsquid.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-f9c9cc6b33b9e6a406559a0e10491f5afac83101
[05:08] <cheeseboy> no junk too poor
[05:09] <angasule> cheeseboy: burn a few DVDs
[05:09] <cheeseboy> noiesmo i dont want image
[05:09] <cheeseboy> no dvd burner
[05:09] <dazza> you could be out of luck. vm stuff uses a lot of resources
[05:10] <cheeseboy> how do i set root password?
[05:10] <dazza> !root cheeseboy
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about root cheeseboy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <jhutchins> cheeseboy: You don't.
[05:10] <dazza> !root
[05:10] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:10] <jhutchins> !sudo cheeseboy
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudo cheeseboy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <bonbonthejon> cheeseboy: you dont need to, do sudo su
[05:10] <jhutchins> !sudo | cheeseboy
[05:10] <ubotu> cheeseboy: please see above
[05:10] <jhutchins> !kdesu | cheeseboy
[05:10] <ubotu> cheeseboy: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:11] <jhutchins> bonbonthejon: sudo su is wrong.
[05:11] <jhutchins> bonbonthejon: Read the help pages.
[05:11] <jhutchins> sudo su is wrong twice.
[05:11] <jhutchins> Maybe even three times.
[05:12] <dazza> jhutchins: twice?
[05:12] <jhutchins> Three times.
[05:12] <dazza> hehe
[05:12] <dazza> yes but why? i can understand why sudo -s is better, but why is it twice wrong?
[05:12] <jhutchins> It's wrong, because the correct way to achieve that is sudo -i
[05:12] <dazza> or three times rather
[05:12] <jhutchins> It's also wrong because it will leave you in the user environment.
[05:13] <jhutchins> It's wrong again because ubuntu is designed to use sudo, not run as root.
[05:13] <jhutchins> And maybe for the fourth time, becuase su shouldn't work, the root account is supposed to be locked, and ther are imilications of that that could seriously screw your system.
[05:14] <jhutchins> implications even
[05:14] <cheesebo1> why cant it read my windows install?
[05:14] <dazza> now you're stretching it. if the root account were *seriously* locked, you would have to stay in the user environment to do anything admin-wise
[05:14] <jhutchins> !windows
[05:14] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:14] <jhutchins> !vfat
[05:14] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[05:15] <j_rippel> I have a question. I currently have Ubuntu and have installed the kubuntu-desktop package... I've found that I want to exclusively run Kubuntu, but this computer has 3 partitions, one for XP, one for things shared between Ubuntu and XP and one for ubuntu... can I just format over the ubuntu install and install Kubuntu?
[05:15] <jhutchins> dazza: Trust somebody who's been running this stuff since RH 2.1.
[05:15] <noiesmo> cheesebo1, you on a dual boot system with windows and ubuntu installed ??
[05:15] <cheesebo1> yes
[05:15] <jhutchins> dazza: The root account on *ubuntu IS locked.
[05:15] <dazza> jhutchins: my supply of random trust is somewhat limited, i prefer to understand :)
[05:16] <noiesmo> cheesebo1, and you want to access files on windows partition thru filemanager ?
[05:16] <jhutchins> dazza: google linux locked user|account
[05:16] <dazza> jhutchins: if that's the case, then sudo su is a flaw - yet it is still widely used
[05:16] <cheesebo1> no i want quemu to boot it
[05:16] <felzix> kded makes a dialog for logging into livejournal pop up every few minutes.  The only way that I can see to stop it is to xkill it, but that also disables some global keybindings.
[05:16] <cheesebo1> qemu*
[05:17] <jhutchins> dazza: The forced use of sudo in ubuntu is preliminary - this is the first time it's ever been done even close to right, and it's worth trying to work with the system.
[05:17] <Ricky> How can I install kiba-dock on kubuntu?
[05:17] <jhutchins> dazza: To force compliance, we could provide a sudoers file that prevents incorrect use, but we're trying to be gentle about this.
[05:17] <noiesmo> cheesebo1, don't think it can be done from what i read here in docs section you can get qemu to create a false install/image that you can then boot and use check this link http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/user-doc.html
[05:18] <jhutchins> !find kiba-dock
[05:18] <ubotu> Package/file kiba-dock does not exist in edgy
[05:18] <cheesebo1> noiesmo it boots my ubuntu install
[05:19] <_chocobo> Hey i need help with FreeNX
[05:19] <dazza> jhutchins: user|account?
[05:19] <jhutchins> dazza: Anyway, try and point 'em at the bot pages if there's a question.
[05:20] <_chocobo> I followed all these steps and then i try to download it from repository but it says it can't find the package
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> !info FreeNX
[05:20] <ubotu> Package freenx does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:20] <dazza> jhutchins: will do :)
[05:20] <jhutchins> dazza: Standard shorthand for logical user OR account.  Putting it in brackets would have made it optional, and I'm too mentally lazy at this hour to remember the standard syntax for "mandatory choice".
[05:21] <jhutchins> !find FreeNX
[05:21] <ubotu> Package/file freenx does not exist in edgy
[05:21] <_chocobo> y!??!?!
[05:21] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Find finds sub-files as well.
[05:22] <dazza> jhutchins: ah, i was mapping it to 'user OR account' in google
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins, not fully up on bot syntax :)
[05:22] <_chocobo> How do i use freenx on edgy if there is none for edgy
[05:22] <jhutchins> _chocobo: http://freenx.berlios.de/
[05:22] <_chocobo> does that mean i have to use 2x or something
[05:22] <_chocobo> i already used that place
[05:22] <_chocobo> and it didn't work
[05:23] <jhutchins> Maybe frenx doesn't work yet.  Maybe that's why it's not a package.
[05:23] <KrAmMeR> is anyone good with setting up a dual monitor on their tv?
[05:23] <KrAmMeR> im using an ATI card
[05:23] <KrAmMeR> been trying this for hours
[05:23] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i had it working under breezy, but my conf doesn't work now
[05:23] <jhutchins> It's gnomish.
[05:23] <jhutchins> _chocobo: http://www.gnomeuser.org/documents/howto/nx.html
[05:23] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i will post the old conf anyway, hold up
[05:23] <KrAmMeR> ok thanks
[05:24] <jhutchins> !paste
[05:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:24] <jhutchins> Y'all have fun t'nght.
[05:25] <dazza> KrAmMeR: this uses a custom modeline for my 32" LCD tv. you should supply an appropriate modeline for your tv
[05:26] <dazza> if you don't and it breaks, i can't help you :)
[05:26] <dazza> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15477/
[05:26] <KrAmMeR> its ok i know how to go to the backup file if i mess something up
[05:26] <KrAmMeR> i've done it 3 times tonight lol
[05:26] <dazza> KrAmMeR: bad modelines can also damage your display
[05:27] <dazza> KrAmMeR:  ie your tv
[05:27] <KrAmMeR> oh..
[05:27] <KrAmMeR> ok
[05:30] <KrAmMeR> how do i make the modline?
[05:31] <KrAmMeR> or know what to put for mine
[05:31] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i found a modeline generator on the net somewhere
[05:31] <KrAmMeR> ok
[05:31] <cheesebo1>  any way to have quemu boot ata?
[05:31] <cheesebo1> qemu*
[05:31] <dazza> this is the one i used: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[05:32] <dazza> KrAmMeR: get the horizontal and vertical refresh rates and plug them into that page
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> cheesebo1, just load in the device ie /dev/hda1,2
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> cheesebo1, that should work
[05:32] <dazza> cheesebo1: are you running qemu using sudo?
[05:33] <dazza> cheesebo1: even if you solve the 'can't access' problem you will have all sorts of dramas. windows won't like suddenly using new hardware
[05:33] <KrAmMeR> dazza: I still don't know how to get that information...
[05:33] <dazza> cheesebo1: you will have to reinstall drivers, then activation will crack up
[05:34] <dazza> KrAmMeR: it can be hard to find, i had to guess for my toshiba tv
[05:34] <KrAmMeR> i've got an older sony
[05:34] <dazza> KrAmMeR: but look at the manufacturers site, they will often have spec sheets up
[05:34] <KrAmMeR> ok i'll check i tout
[05:35] <dazza> google for 'refresh rate [tv_product_id] '
[05:35] <dazza> replacing [tv_product_id]  with eg 32Wl66a for mine
[05:36] <dazza> cheesebo1: even with the qemu kernel accelerator it will run fairly slow, you will get 1-2fps trying to play games
[05:36] <cheesebo1> fine w/o games
[05:37] <knicknic> kubuntu no longer opens the powermanagement utility, what is the name of it so I can open it
[05:37] <knicknic> btw there is no kmenu icon for the pwoermanagement utility
[05:39] <crazy_bus> is their anyway to view msreader .lit files in kubuntu?
[05:39] <flaccid> not that i know of
[05:39] <hitmanWilly> you could try googling it
[05:40] <knicknic> can someone please figure out the name of the powermanagement utility, I cant change my brightness without it, and its hurting my eyes
[05:40] <dazza> cheesebo1: you also need enough ram to run both operating systems
[05:41] <cheesebo1> 768mb enough?
[05:42] <dazza> cheesebo1: sufficient yeah
[05:42] <dazza> cheesebo1: but the biggest issue is how the guest OS will handle the sudden hardware change
[05:43] <KrAmMeR> i cant find any specs on my tv
[05:43] <KrAmMeR> lol
[05:43] <flaccid> it could be pbbuttons on ubuntu can't remember
[05:43] <KrAmMeR> Sony KV-20VM30
[05:43] <dazza> KrAmMeR: what size is it?
[05:43] <KrAmMeR> 20 inch
[05:43] <dazza> i found a tv similar to mine and just adjusted the ranges till it worked
[05:44] <dazza> after every time it breaks i looked in /var/log/X.0.org and tried to figure out why it wouldn't work
[05:44] <dazza> make that Xorg.0.log
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> knicknic, acpid is the daemon process
[05:45] <KrAmMeR> k
[05:45] <dazza> cheesebo1: to get around the permissions issue though, you need to figure out if you're using the right device, and if you are running as the super user
[05:45] <KrAmMeR> i hope they get better support for this in the future
[05:45] <bill> ok, I have a little problem
[05:45] <dazza> KrAmMeR: my 32" worked out of the box in feisty, which surprises me to no end heh
[05:45] <bill> last night, I was attempting to install a program to be able to format my corrupt CF card
[05:46] <knicknic> hitmanWilly: I found it its called the guidancepowermanagement system
[05:46] <bill> and someone told me to do this certain command
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> knicknic, ok kewl
[05:46] <KrAmMeR> hmm
[05:46] <bill> well, it eventually erased all of my packages
[05:46] <bill> I have like no programs on here
[05:46] <bill> how do I get them back?!?!?!
[05:46] <dazza> ls
[05:46] <dazza> oops...
[05:46] <KrAmMeR> i have this box configured pretty well now
[05:46] <KrAmMeR> except for the dual monitor
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> bill, install them all back?
[05:46] <bill> yeah
[05:47] <bill> it was some install update something something something command
[05:47] <bill> and it was taking a long time to update all of the files, so I left it for a while
[05:47] <dazza> KrAmMeR: nvidia or ati?
[05:47] <bill> well, after it updated a couple files, it them erases all but 13 packages
[05:47] <KrAmMeR> ati
[05:47] <KrAmMeR> i think thats part of my problem too
[05:47] <dazza> KrAmMeR: ahh in that case my config file will be useless to you :)
[05:47] <bill> all I have is what is running in RAM right now
[05:48] <KrAmMeR> yeh i saw ur using nvidia
[05:48] <dazza> KrAmMeR: you should search for howto's on 'ati twinview' probably
[05:48] <bill> I have the DVD, so is there a way for me to install everything the way it was?
[05:48] <dazza> can you get your tv working at all?
[05:48] <bill> I don't even have adept
[05:49] <bill> this all has to be in command prompt
[05:49] <bill> I really don't want to reinstall kubuntu :(
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> bill, backup your important files and reinstall
[05:49] <KrAmMeR> yeah I mean it comes up when its booting
[05:49] <KrAmMeR> goes on the tv
[05:49] <bill> lol
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> bill, that's probably the easiest way
[05:49] <KrAmMeR> but when it starts xorg
[05:49] <KrAmMeR> thats when it craps out
[05:49] <bill> well, there is a little problem
[05:49] <KrAmMeR> and gets all messed up
[05:49] <bill> I can't do like anything
[05:50] <bill> only things I have to work with are Opera, Konversation, and Konsole
[05:50] <bill> those were all erased too, but I already had them running before the erase
[05:50] <slestak_> bill: you can scp important files off to another box
[05:50] <bill> I don't have another box
[05:51] <slestak_> bill: in konsole try "which scp"
[05:51] <bill> all I have is my step dad's laptop, and he isnt even here
[05:51] <slestak_> do you have a usb stick?
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> bill, do you have a flash drive or anything?
[05:51] <bill> a 1 gig
[05:51] <bill> grrr
[05:51] <KrAmMeR> maybe i should try just cloning
[05:51] <bill> I just wish I didnt have to do this
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> bill, do you have a lot of imoportant stuff you can't lose?
[05:52] <slestak_> bill: how old and install? lots of stuff in home?
[05:52] <bill> well, how can I save all of my settings from the apps I already had installed?
[05:52] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i reckon nothing will work until you get the tv working by itself in X
[05:52] <bill> it's fairly new
[05:52] <bill> I just for the most part don't want to lose all of these settings I guess
[05:52] <bill> and I've done a lot on here so far
[05:53] <KrAmMeR> ok
[05:53] <slestak_> bill: I think .kde holds most kde settings.  i dont know if you v=can use it on a new install
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> bill, if it wiped all the packages, you may have lost some of that
[05:53] <dazza> bill: type this in the console: dpkg -l | wc -l
[05:53] <dazza> bill: this will tell you how many packages are still installed
[05:54] <bill> 856
[05:54] <slestak_> can he step through /var/log/dpkg and dpkg -i all the items that were just uninstalled?
[05:54] <slestak_> are the packages still in /var/apt/cache?
[05:55] <hitmanWilly> slestak_, didn't think of that, they probably are
[05:55] <dazza> 800+ seems about normal? perhaps the issue isn't missing packages but missing files?
[05:55] <bill> grrr
[05:55] <bill> well, it might not be packages exactly
[05:55] <bill> idk how to explain it
[05:55] <slestak_> /var/log/dpkg.log should show all of the packages removed
[05:56] <bill> let me send you part of the bash
[05:56] <dazza> bill: what's the output of apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop?
[05:57] <dazza> bill: please use the pastebin (see the channel topic) :)
[05:57] <bill> I know, I am
[05:57] <bill> lol, it would be a huge message if I didnt
[05:57] <dazza> bill: excellent :) too many people don't
[05:57] <hitmanWilly> i was all set to call the bot, too :(
[05:57] <slestak_> bill: no chance you have a backup?
[05:58] <dazza> hitmanWilly: sorry! :)
[05:58] <bill> lol, havent gotten around to it
[05:58] <bill> this box started out windows, I wanted linux
[05:58] <bill> so I created a partition and put ubuntu on it
[05:58] <bill> switched to kde
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> bill, many boxes start that way
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> unfortunately
[05:59] <bill> well, when I installed, since this was a shared computer, they only wanted me to have 5 gigs
[05:59] <dazza> bug #1...
[05:59] <slestak_> bill: i bought acronis true image, backs up win and linux great.  had to restore from it more than once.
[05:59] <bill> I used Kubuntu for about 4 months, and the space actually filled up
[05:59] <KrAmMeR> i might try this:
[05:59] <KrAmMeR> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773710
[06:00] <bill> to the point where the box froze, and then I could never log in again
[06:00] <dazza> KrAmMeR: that's fine for normal desktop use, you won't be able to use anything 3d accelerated though
[06:00] <bill> well, I tried repartitioning, we _naturally_ had a power outage during the partition, and everything except the windows partion were corrupted
[06:00] <cskj> does anyone know of a linux distro for smartphones?
[06:00] <bill> because I tried to make the linux part bigger
[06:00] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i'm fairly certain it can be done with the binary ATI drivers too
[06:01] <dazza> cskj: have a look at openmoko or qtopia
[06:01] <bill> so then a few weeks ago I installed Kubuntu again from some borrowed space from the windows partition....I just wish they would let me wipe the computer and put Kubuntu on....they never use it anyways
[06:01] <bill> ok, here is the bash shell during the deletion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15481/
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> ok
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> im tired of doing this today
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> i'll try tomorrow
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> lol
[06:02] <dazza> bill: do you have the command that produced that output?
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> bill, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:02] <bill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15483/
[06:02] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i understand your frustration :) it took me ages to get mine working
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> when i have nothing better to do
[06:02] <cskj> dazza do you know how i could install these on my smartphone?
[06:02] <bill> that's the command you just told me to do
[06:02] <dazza> cskj: not a clue i'm afraid
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> yeh : P
[06:02] <bill> eh, lemme check
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> thats for the help
[06:03] <KrAmMeR> later
[06:03] <cskj> ok thanx anyway
[06:03] <KrAmMeR> thanks*
[06:03] <dazza> cskj: you could ask on their respective help sites
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> bill, it looks like kubuntu-desktop got removed
[06:03] <bill> hitmanWilly: Ive been trying that
[06:03] <bill> at least I think I was last night
[06:03] <bill> dazza: sudo apt-get -f install
[06:03] <dazza> hitmanWilly: kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, removing it won't cause its dependencies to be removed
[06:04] <flaccid> its just a meta-package so you can add it again
[06:04] <flaccid> yeah
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> dazza, if he ran autoremove after it would
[06:04] <flaccid> soz dazza
[06:04] <dazza> bill: what did you run previous to that? with apt-get
[06:05] <dazza> bill: and what happens when you try to run apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:05] <dazza> rather, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:06] <bill> I had tried sudo apt-get install kfloppy before that
[06:06] <bill> and it told me to run that command
[06:06] <bill> but I just told someone in here that it told me it had unmet dependencies
[06:06] <bill> and they told me to run that command off the top of their head
[06:07] <bill> dazza: here is the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15484/
[06:08] <flaccid> bill: did you do an upgrade of ubuntu version recently or try one or anything?
[06:08] <cskj> ok
[06:08] <dazza> bill: ok there's a problem with dependencies, see where it says it depends on digikam? try sudo apt-get install digikam
[06:08] <bill> and we tried apt-get install to that digikam, but it has missing dependencies, and those have missing dependencies, etc
[06:08] <bill> lol ^^^
[06:08] <flaccid> bill?
[06:09] <dazza> bill: yes that's the issue :-/ eventually we will get to the one that's causing the problem
[06:09] <flaccid> i don't think you will actually
[06:09] <dazza> bill: and with any luck we can find an alternative
[06:09] <flaccid> i came up against this when i was doing dapper to edgy upgrade. i could not get past this.
[06:09] <flaccid> i had to jump another dist-upgrade to feisty
[06:10] <bill> well, I did _update_ everything a couple weeks back
[06:10] <dazza> flaccid: i've had it a few times with various distros. the fix usually depends on the exact problem
[06:10] <bill> but I didnt upgrade my version
[06:10] <flaccid> dazza: heh but what is the exact problem? in my case i was doing a stock standard upgrade and it failed.
[06:10] <flaccid> bill: what version of ubuntu are you on and what sources do you have in sources.list
[06:10] <dazza> bill: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> bill, try a full upgrade before you install kubuntu-desktop
[06:11] <cskj> is Mizi a good smartphone distro?
[06:11] <flaccid> defne full upgrade
[06:11] <flaccid> define
[06:11] <dazza> flaccid: usually it's something on the lines of 'package x depends on package y version 1.1 but version 1.2 is installed' or something similar
[06:11] <flaccid> cskj: this is #kubuntu
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[06:11] <flaccid> dazza: its not that situation..
[06:12] <dazza> flaccid: it looks like it might be
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> it might be an out of date lib
[06:12] <bill> lol
[06:12] <bill> which perosn do I choose?
[06:12] <flaccid> i doubt it
[06:12] <flaccid> it says Some packages could not be installed. and does not say why
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> i wouldn't hurt, tho
[06:12] <bill> I am running 6.10 Ubuntu with 3.5.5 KDE
[06:12] <dazza> don't upgrade to a new version! that action is irreversible and might not solve the issue anyway
[06:12] <flaccid> the info at the end is just an artifact..
[06:12] <dazza> flaccid: it's a dependency tree that's failing
[06:12] <flaccid> bill: and the sources.list?
[06:13] <flaccid> dazza: no its not
[06:13] <flaccid> not necessarily
[06:13] <dazza> flaccid: if you find out why digikam is not installed it will be because some other package can't be installed
[06:13] <flaccid> if it was it would be a dif error
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> could be a messed up sources.list too
[06:13] <bill> how do I get to the sources.list in Konsole and open it
[06:13] <flaccid> not necessarily
[06:13] <slestak_> hitmanWilly: flaccid is saying to do an upograde, not _dist-upgrade_
[06:13] <bill> and view it within konsole
[06:13] <flaccid> i spent a very long time analysing this when i came up against it
[06:13] <dazza> flaccid: broken dependencies are the only thing that can cause this kind of issue
[06:14] <flaccid> no its not
[06:14] <flaccid> and if its just deps
[06:14] <flaccid> then how do you solve it?
[06:14] <dazza> bill: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:14] <dazza> flaccid: depends on why the dep is failing
[06:14] <flaccid> you try to solve digikam, it will suggest another needed dep and that will go on for a long time..
[06:15] <flaccid> if a dep is failing it should show that, not freak out and provide an artifact
[06:15] <dazza> flaccid: yes it will go on for a long time, but it will stop eventually and when it does you will find the issue
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> dependency hell...
[06:15] <flaccid> dazza: no you wont lol. it didn't for me
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> thought i left this behind with fedora
[06:15] <dazza> flaccid: it should yes! but unfortunately it doesn't. following the tree down is the only way i know of to find the problem
[06:15] <dazza> flaccid: it has for me several times
[06:16] <flaccid> dazza: but was that with this same error of an 'impossible situation' ?
[06:16] <bill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15485/
[06:16] <dazza> flaccid: once you know what package is causing the issue you can try eg using a package from a different version/distro
[06:16] <flaccid> yes once you know which package
[06:16] <dazza> flaccid: yes. the 'impossible situation' is just a generic error for any problem with the graph traversal
[06:16] <flaccid> which i couldn't get it.. give it a go with bill see how far you go
[06:17] <cskj> ccan anyone tell me of a good non java p2p application?
[06:17] <flaccid> well simple unmet dependency issues do not return the 'impossible situation' error.
[06:17] <dazza> flaccid: then what does it return?
[06:17] <hitmanWilly> if he could get adept up and running, it should show him where it's breaking
[06:18] <dazza> hitmanWilly: good idea
[06:18] <flaccid> usually just unmet dependencies or another error, i can't remember, but it doesn't not say impossible situation and provide an artifact
[06:18] <dazza> bill: try running: kdesu adept
[06:18] <bill> ok, I'll give it a whirl then
[06:18] <bill> do I use sudo apt-get or sudo apt-get install
[06:19] <flaccid> if you guys can fix this one, i'd love to see what you end up doing :)
[06:19] <dazza> bill: sudo apt-get install adept
[06:19] <bill> bash: /usr/bin/kdesu: No such file or directory
[06:19] <dazza> bill: of course, silly me :) try the last one i gave you
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> bill, try sudo apt-get install kde
[06:20] <dazza> the metapackages kde and kubuntu-desktop are massive and likely to fail
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> yeah, probably right
[06:21] <darryl> anyone here from the UK?
[06:21] <dazza> perhaps installing the major components like kde-core, kdenetwork etc should work
[06:21] <flaccid> they should'nt fail lol
[06:21] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install kde-minimal
[06:21] <flaccid> or kde-base
[06:21] <pranav> I need to get codecs to my newly installed kubuntu
[06:21] <pranav> how do I do It
[06:22] <flaccid> !codecs > pranav
[06:22] <pranav> codecs
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> maybe qt4 is the problem?
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> i didn't see that removed in the paste
[06:23] <dazza> bill: try sudo apt-get install kdebase kdenetwork kdeadmin kdepim
[06:23] <flaccid> try installing base first ony
[06:23] <dazza> hitmanWilly: it has to be something that digikam depends on that other kde stuff doesn't
[06:23] <bill> well
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> does the new kde depend on qt4?
[06:24] <bill> I tried kde, kde-minimal, kde-base, and all of the ones you told me to
[06:24] <dazza> hitmanWilly: kde4 does, any kde3 does not
[06:24] <bill> and it just tells me it couldnt find the package
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[06:24] <dazza> bill: try just: sudo apt-get install kdebase
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> that's a sources problem
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> maybe
[06:24] <dazza> his sources.list looks good to me
[06:25] <dazza> there is no kde-base though, it's kdebase
[06:25] <guiment> will we get the feisty release candidate this weekend?
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> ahh, that's right, just tested it out
[06:26] <bill> lol
[06:26] <bill> thank you
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> guiment, the 19th
[06:26] <bill> I was just about to wipe this box
[06:26] <bill> and that went through
[06:26] <bill> it's getting the base files
[06:26] <dazza> bill: you will still be missing lots of apps
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> kdesu should be there tho
[06:27] <dazza> bill: one at a time you will need to install kdenetwork, kdeadmin, kdegraphics...
[06:27] <bill> but its a start
[06:27] <dazza> hitmanWilly: hmm good point
[06:27] <dazza> kdesu isn't a package, i don't know where it is included
[06:27] <dazza> my guess would be in kdeadmin though
[06:28] <guiment> hitmanWilly: it has been delayed
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> guiment, really? anything to do with todays kernel issues?
[06:28] <dazza> i'm glad, i think there's a few too many issues still
[06:29] <dazza> bill: it will be interesting to see if your settings are preserved :) i think they should be though
[06:29] <bill> I hope so
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> unless it wiped out his .kde direc
[06:29] <pranav> please help me update kaffene
[06:29] <guiment> hitmanWilly: some kernel problems, yes, not sure if today's or only the ones reported yesterday
[06:29] <pranav> !!
[06:29] <bill> I have all of my mail servers set up, my personal server and webserver connections set up
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> !dvd | pranav
[06:29] <ubotu> pranav: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:29] <dazza> apt doesn't usually touch config directories, unless you use dpkg --purge
[06:29] <bill> nah, I ls'd my directory and .kde was there
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> bill, first good news all night
[06:30] <pranav> !mp3
[06:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:30] <pranav> !avi
[06:30] <pranav> ??
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> pranav install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> pranav, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:31] <bill> oh I know
[06:31] <bill> I think the best part is that I'm learning more and more about linux
[06:31] <bill> ^_^
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> pranav, thats flash, java, mp3, all that good stuff
[06:32] <pranav> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:32] <pranav> this is what i get
[06:32] <pranav> hitmanWilly: help
[06:32] <dazza> !repositories | pranav
[06:32] <ubotu> pranav: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> pranav, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:32] <pranav> and then
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> pranav, delete the  # mark in front of every line that starts with deb and save it
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> pranav, then sudo apt-get update
[06:34] <dazza> bill: you're learning an awful lot about dependency hell :)
[06:34] <pranav> hitmanWilly: I have done it in the begining
[06:34] <pranav> hitmanWilly: I mean earlier
[06:35] <hitmanWilly> pranav, so all your repos are enabled?
[06:35] <pranav> yes they are
[06:35] <bill> http://billstechhelp.com/paste.txt since pastebin is being stupid
[06:35] <bill> add a 1 to the end of the word paste
[06:36] <dazza> bill: broken link
[06:36] <dazza> 404 not found
[06:36] <bill> http://billstechhelp.com/paste1.txt
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> pranav: open adept (add/remove programs in the menu)
[06:37] <dazza> bill: ahh :)
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> bill, rpm distros are worse, trust me :)
[06:37] <dazza> bill: looks like that worked. try sudo apt-get install adept
[06:38] <bill> k
[06:38] <bill> lol, pastebin wouldn't work, so I just made a text file on ma server
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> pranav, make sure unsupported and proprietary software are checked
[06:39] <pranav> hitmanWilly: please check this http://pastebin.ca/439302
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> pranav, you use dapper? maybe theose codecs aren't enabled for that distro
[06:40] <pranav> oh shall I disable it
[06:40] <dazza> perhaps that package doesn't exist in dapper
[06:41] <dazza> pranav: you could consider upgrading to edgy
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> don't know much about 6.06, any experts in here?
[06:42] <pranav> get me the ftp please
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> !upgrade | pranav
[06:42] <ubotu> pranav: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[06:42] <bill> ok, adept is installed
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> pranav, all the instructions should be there
[06:43] <pranav> ok
[06:43] <dazza> hitmanWilly: i jumped from 5.10 to 7.04 :)
[06:43] <hitmanWilly> dazza, sounds like fun :)
[06:44] <hitmanWilly> dazza, how'd you do it, just change sources.list and dist-upgrade?
[06:45] <os2mac> is there a kde app to configure startup programs?
[06:45] <dazza> hitmanWilly: in my case i re-installed. changing sources.list and dist-upgrade should work for single version changes though
[06:45] <bill> now that adept is installed, what do I need to d now?
[06:45] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, just link whatever you want to start into ~/.kde/Autostart/
[06:46] <hitmanWilly> bill sudo adept_installer
[06:47] <Ahmuck> something teriblly wrong went with X.  how do i configure x?
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> !xorg
[06:47] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:48] <hitmanWilly> !xorg | Ahmuck
[06:48] <ubotu> Ahmuck: please see above
[06:48] <dazza> bill: try kdesu adept
[06:48] <dazza> bill: if that doesn't work try sudo apt-get install kdeadmin
[06:48] <dazza> and then try kdesu adept again
[06:48] <hitmanWilly> will adept even install w/out kdesu?
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> i think its a dependency
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> also, adept itself isn't a cmd
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> its either adept_installer or adept_updater
[06:51] <dazza> ahh, right
[06:51] <dazza> sudo adept_installer might not work, it should be kdesu adept_installer
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> dazza, just checked it, it works
[06:52] <hitmanWilly> dazza, in console anyway
[06:52] <hitmanWilly> konsole
[06:52] <bill> ok, I ran hitmanWilly's command, and I have adept working
[06:52] <dazza> from what that guy was saying earlier it can do strange things with programs
[06:52] <bill> however, I could've just clicked on it in the KMenu :P
[06:52] <dazza> try installing kubuntu-desktop again
[06:52] <dazza> with adept
[06:52] <dazza> we're hoping adept will tell us what packages are screwing everything up
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> dazza, i don't think adept has kubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> might have to try digikam
[06:53] <dazza> hitmanWilly: adept is just a front-end to the dpkg databasE?
[06:53] <dazza> man, feisty has new updates like every 2hours
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> yes, but it doesn't always list everything, which is why i often use synaptic
[06:54] <dazza> really? i wonder why that is
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> dazza, just downloaded a 40 mb one :)
[06:54] <dazza> i always use apt-get so i have no clue about adept
[06:54] <lance> is this a good place to ask questions about running world of warcraft??
[06:54] <dazza> hitmanWilly: i probably have the same waiting for me
[06:54] <dazza> lance: probably try #wine for the best response
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> adept is just a dumbed down synaptic which is a dumbed down apt
[06:54] <lance> thanks
[06:55] <bill> well, all that adept lets me do is install a few listed apps
[06:55] <dazza> which is a dumbed down dpkg? :p
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> bill, try digikam
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> dazza, true :)
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> dazza, with repo support
[06:56] <dazza> and dependency resolution
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> wget'ing gets old after awhile :p
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> honestly, apt is the main reason i came over to the debian side
[06:56] <dazza> tell me about it, that's why i jumped from mandrake 8.2 to debian woody :)
[06:56] <soulrider> woohoo, my classmate was just here. You can add one to the kubuntu user count :)
[06:57] <dazza> soulrider: well done :)
[06:57] <dazza> soulrider: what did he switch from?
[06:57] <soulrider> dazza: its late now, but tomorrow ill be installing kubuntu on my dads PC
[06:57] <bill> digikam installation just tells me it had errors
[06:57] <hitmanWilly> former fedora and slack user myself
[06:57] <dazza> hitmanWilly: 83MB update
[06:57] <soulrider> dazza: guess! :P
[06:57] <soulrider> he was a win user :P
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> dazza, at least you missed the kernel fiasco this morning
[06:58] <dazza> i gave slack a bash, it was usable with slapt-get :)
[06:58] <dazza> what was that about?
[06:58] <soulrider> i dont really use kubuntu too much myself, but its great for starters
[06:58] <dazza> and this morning in which time zone :)
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> cdt us
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> i guess the 2.6.20-14 was breaking peoples machines
[06:59] <dazza> uname -r: 2.6.20-14-generic :)
[06:59] <soulrider> im using Arch, we get tons of kernel updates
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> i missed it just because i didn't update until they took down the link
[06:59] <slackware_> hi
[07:00] <dazza> seems ok to me!
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> got all kinds of 403 forbidden errors, eventually just purged it
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> its working now
[07:00] <dazza> slackware_: hi...
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> notice the image is 2.6.20-15
[07:00] <dazza> not on my box it isn't
[07:00] <slackware_> how are you dazza?
[07:00] <dazza> slackware_: hungry :)
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> dazza, home rolled kernel?
[07:01] <dazza> hitmanWilly: nope, straight from the repos
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> dazza, edgy?
[07:01] <khaije1> dazza:  campbell's tomato rice soup ftw!
[07:01] <jtt> hitmanWilly: what repo are u getting 20-15 from
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> dazza, nevermind
[07:01] <pranav> hi
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> just the normal feisty ones
[07:01] <dazza> hitmanWilly: no feisty
[07:02] <pranav> hitmanWilly: I still have a problem in the codecs
[07:02] <jtt> hitmanWilly: can you be a little more specific i want to check mine against yours
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> pranav, did you upgrade to edgy?
[07:02] <dazza> hitmanWilly: us?
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> dazza, yeah
[07:03] <dazza> ahhhhhhh 20-15 is downloading now
[07:03] <pranav> I did
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> pranav, just install the ubuntu-restriced-extras then
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> pranav, should work fine
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> dazza, told ya :)
[07:04] <pranav> it gives the same old thing --package doesen' t exist!!
[07:04] <hitmanWilly> pranav, you may have to reconfigure your sources.list again
[07:04] <pranav> oh ok
[07:05] <dazza> hitmanWilly: that you did :)
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> pranav, mine won't work for you, unfortunately
[07:06] <dazza> hitmanWilly: tried beryl?
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> dazza, running it now
[07:06] <dazza> hitmanWilly: did you lose your window manager?
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> dazza, makes aero look like windows 3.1
[07:07] <hitmanWilly> dazza, oh, the titlebars not popping up
[07:07] <dazza> hitmanWilly: yep, that happened to me too
[07:07] <hitmanWilly> dazza, i had that prob, can't remember the fix, tho
[07:07] <dazza> hitmanWilly: i also managed to kill X when i tried to run an opengl game windowed :)
[07:07] <hitmanWilly> dazza, heh
[07:08] <dazza> hitmanWilly: could it have been kwin --replace ?
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> dazza, no, beryl uses its own manager called emerald
[07:08] <dazza> hitmanWilly: hmm, ps aux showed me that emerald was running, but i still had no window decorations
[07:09] <hitmanWilly> dazza, there's a kde compatiblity package you have to install, if i remember right
[07:09] <hitmanWilly> dazza, hold on a sec...
[07:09] <tahlvin> How do I change the output options?
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> dazza: try installing aquamarine
[07:10] <dazza> libberylsettings0-kconfig?
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> dazza, then restarting beryl
[07:10] <dazza> hitmanWilly: thanks :) i'll do it once this update finishes :-/ damn 512k adsl
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> dazza, and beryl-kubuntu
[07:11] <dazza> hitmanWilly: there's no beryl-kubuntu
[07:11] <tahlvin> How would one go about switching the output ofone's compy to RCA.
[07:11] <hitmanWilly> dazza, yes there is
[07:11] <hitmanWilly> dazza, try it, trust me
[07:11] <dazza> i have
[07:11] <dazza> didn't work
[07:12] <dazza> W: Unable to locate package beryl-kubuntu
[07:12] <Ahmuck> well, i was able to get my video reconfigured, however, when i try to login with kubuntu, it loops back to the login prompt
[07:12] <hitmanWilly> dazza, just ran apt and it shows up on mine
[07:12] <dirgedoll> hello room
[07:12] <dazza> this is with universe/multiverse enabled
[07:12] <dAPPPER> I want to install Kubuntu on an OEM vista notebook, if I use the partition resizer in Vista to make unallocated space....will Vista plat with Kubuntu, or will my Vista partition not boot?
[07:13] <dAPPPER> play*
[07:13] <dazza> and: deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org feisty main
[07:13] <hitmanWilly> dazza, no 3rd party stuff either
[07:13] <Ahmuck> any idea what i need to change to login to kubuntu ?
[07:14] <dazza> dAPPPER: there's no guarantees, you should back up. but i don't see why kubuntu would affect vista
[07:14] <dazza> dAPPPER: it certainly works with XP
[07:14] <dAPPPER> I read stories of Vista not booting...just hangs as the loading screen
[07:14] <dAPPPER> at*
[07:14] <dazza> dAPPPER: link?
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> dazza, might be new, try it after the update
[07:15] <dazza> hitmanWilly: ok will do. i just changed my sources.list to another source as well, hopefully a more up to date one
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> dazza, ok, kewl
[07:15] <cskj> hi...how do i create rpms from tar.bz2 files?
[07:15] <bill> ok, now I have another problems
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> ugh, rpm
[07:15] <bill> but you guys wouldnt know how to fix it
[07:15] <bill> :P
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> bill: shoot
[07:15] <dazza> cskj: are you packaging it for distribution? or just for your own use?
[07:16] <vit_> hola
[07:16] <cskj> no for my own use
[07:16] <bill> hitmanWilly: Girls. :P
[07:16] <dazza> cskj: there's no program to 'build' usable rpm packages from tarballs
[07:16] <cskj> hmmm
[07:16] <vit_> gay'sssssssssssss
[07:16] <hitmanWilly> bill, nevermind, man woman returned a fatal error
[07:16] <Ahmuck> any idea why kubuntu loops at the login prompt and brings me back to the login prompt but does not start the desktop?
[07:16] <cskj> is there not way of using konsole to do so?
[07:16] <bill> lmfao
[07:16] <hitmanWilly> lol
[07:16] <dazza> cskj: you need to find a prebuilt rpm for your purpose or use the tarball according to the instructions in it
[07:16] <dirgedoll> I can help you with girls
[07:16] <dirgedoll> hehehe
[07:16] <cskj> ohh ok
[07:16] <vit_> maricas
[07:16] <cskj> :(
[07:16] <dazza> bill: avoid them :p
[07:17] <bill> Ahmuck: My box did that when my partition ran out of space. :P
[07:17] <vit_> gayssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[07:17] <Ahmuck> 300G
[07:17] <dAPPPER> http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first        about vista and linux
[07:17] <Ahmuck> !kdm
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <dirgedoll> girls are like windows just keep rebooting, you will eventually get the program to work
[07:17] <Ahmuck> !logon
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <Ahmuck> !login
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about login - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <Ahmuck> ubotu: u r about useless this evening
[07:17] <dAPPPER> towards the bottom there are comments
[07:18] <dazza> dirgedoll: are you supposed to reboot the girl or the guy?
[07:18] <dirgedoll> LOL. both
[07:18] <dirgedoll> women more likely though
[07:19] <dirgedoll> we're more evil
[07:19] <dirgedoll> like Windows. I am having to depreogram myself everyday
[07:20] <dAPPPER> dazza?
[07:20] <dazza> dAPPPER: just checked the link. there are success and failure reports
[07:20] <dirgedoll> this room has been really helpful in getting things to work I will say that
[07:21] <dirgedoll> when will the next version be released?
[07:21] <dazza> dAPPPER: the more similar your situation is to that scenario the more likely it is to work - but you should backup regardless before you touch /any/ partition manager
[07:21] <mzanfardino> I'm looking to convert a video formated for PAL into NTSC.  Is there a utilty to do this?
[07:21] <dazza> dirgedoll: 'more evil' hey? DRM installed by default? :p
[07:21] <dirgedoll> LOL
[07:22] <dazza> dirgedoll: the original release date was about the 26th i think but i believe it's been pushed back
[07:22] <hitmanWilly> ERROR /boot/woman fails sanity check
[07:22] <hitmanWilly> lol
[07:23] <dirgedoll> AH. I just upgraded from 6.06 like 2 days ago. Heh
[07:23] <dirgedoll> lol
[07:23] <dirgedoll> that would be a good thing to have.  it would save so much time and agony
[07:23] <dazza> dirgedoll: you won't have much time to enjoy edgy then methinks :)
[07:23] <dAPPPER> I'm gonna try it out, thanks
[07:23] <hitmanWilly> at least it wasn't a kernel panic like in gentoo
[07:23] <hitmanWilly> :)
[07:23] <dirgedoll> yeah I don't either.  I am enjoying it though.
[07:24] <dazza> i never got to, edgy wouldn't boot on my comp :-/
[07:24] <dirgedoll> :/
[07:24] <hitmanWilly> dazza, but feisty will, hmmm
[07:25] <dazza> hitmanWilly: it will now i upgraded my pc yes :)
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> heh
[07:25] <dirgedoll> hehe
[07:25] <dazza> hitmanWilly: before the live CD would boot but none of my hardware would work (no network/sound/hard drives/...)
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> dazza, offbeat stuff?
[07:26] <dazza> hitmanWilly: my mobo was junk, kernels >2.6.12 wouldn't work on it regardless of the distro
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> dazza, i build my own so i know exactly what to enable in the kernel
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> dazza, i have a lot of time on my hands
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> :)
[07:26] <dazza> hitmanWilly: i don't :( i go with prebuilt unless i have a good reason to do otherwise
[07:27] <dazza> hitmanWilly: have you tried the vserver patches on feisty? i'm keen to look at that, i built this box with VMs in mind
[07:27] <hitmanWilly> dazza, i don't like VMs myself
[07:27] <dazza> hitmanWilly: no? they're incredibly useful
[07:27] <hitmanWilly> dazza, don't really know anything about them
[07:27] <dirgedoll> I don't either
[07:27] <dazza> hitmanWilly: i admin a half dozen of them at work
[07:28] <hitmanWilly> dazza, well, i do have a winblows box for any cross platform stuff i want to do
[07:28] <dirgedoll> I admit I have one too
[07:28] <dazza> hitmanWilly: all the vm's are some variant of linux, so is the main host machine
[07:28] <hitmanWilly> dazza, plus there's a couple of apps i can't quite divorce myself from
[07:29] <dazza> hitmanWilly: which ones?
[07:29] <dirgedoll> and one with no ops system. the mounted fan was pulled off by a 3 year old
[07:29] <hitmanWilly> poser
[07:29] <dazza> ah yess
[07:29] <hitmanWilly> ever try a large render in a vm?
[07:29] <dazza> dirgedoll: the cpu fan?
[07:29] <dirgedoll> yes
[07:29] <hitmanWilly> fun times, that
[07:30] <dirgedoll> i just just tack it back on with some silicone cant i?
[07:30] <dazza> vms shouldn't affect render time, it's mainly heavy I/O that's slow not CPU usage
[07:30] <hitmanWilly> if they put poser on nix, i'd never look back
[07:30] <hitmanWilly> but vista will never touch my box
[07:31] <hitmanWilly> ever
[07:31] <dazza> dirgedoll: if it's only the fan that came off it should screw right back on to the heatsink. if the heatsink came off as well then yeah u can use some arctic silver or something and clip it back on
[07:31] <khaije1> !release
[07:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:31] <dazza> hitmanWilly: if i have my way vista will never touch any box i have any control over
[07:31] <dazza> L)
[07:32] <hitmanWilly> ditto on that
[07:32] <khaije1> hmm the info there is old, what is kubuntu 7.04 released?
[07:33] <hitmanWilly> it was the 19th, but i hear it got pushed back
[07:33] <dirgedoll> he broke the entire fan and bracket mounts off, I have to tilt the box to get it to work
[07:34] <khaije1> k thx hitmanWilly
[07:34] <hitmanWilly> np
[07:34] <dirgedoll> sucky thing is is that it's faster than this one
[07:35] <dirgedoll> I wont put Vista or touch a Vista machine either
[07:35] <flaccid> !feisty
[07:35] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:35] <flaccid> hmm
[07:35] <flaccid> any date?
[07:36] <hitmanWilly> something about semi-annual "let's make sure you're not a software pirate" checks and the deliberate crippling of hardware just turns me off
[07:36] <dazza_afk> !schedule
[07:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:37] <dirgedoll> ok guys I'm off ttyl
[07:37] <Taladan> There can be only one, highlander!
[07:37] <flaccid> still quite a bit of work left it seems
[07:38] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, the kernel issues seem to indicate that
[07:38] <Taladan> what's the new one gonna be, gutsy gonad or something like that? ;P
[07:38] <flaccid> this is what looks promising https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/auto-dist-upgrade-testing
[07:38] <flaccid> gobbling gerkin actuallly
[07:39] <hitmanWilly> geriatric gnu?
[07:39] <dazza_afk> i like gobbling gonads myself
[07:39] <Taladan> glamorous groundhog?
[07:39] <Taladan> dazza_afk: tmi, tbh.
[07:39] <hitmanWilly> ok, im really tired cause this is really funny
[07:40] <flaccid> ubuntu-flyingflaccid
[07:40] <Taladan> Gory gutwound?
[07:40] <dazza_afk> shoulda been flaccid fawn maybe...
[07:40] <flaccid> heh
[07:40] <utnubuk> i just burned an iso with k3b, but now the program won't open
[07:40] <flaccid> defying dazza
[07:41] <flaccid> decrying dazza
[07:41] <utnubuk> i mean k3b
[07:41] <flaccid> unbelievabe utnubuk
[07:41] <Taladan> I, for one, would like to see a release named 'Gibbering Mouther'...just because I can't ever say that without chuckling.
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> utnubuk, iso's have to be burned with the RAW option
[07:41] <utnubuk> no no no the iso is fine but k3b wont open back up to burn more stuff
[07:42] <hitmanWilly> utnubuk, ohh, ok
[07:42] <Taladan> utnubuk: open a command line, type k3b and see what errors it spits.
[07:42] <utnubuk> sorry i should state my problems more carefuly
[07:42] <Ahmuck> is there a way to keep kdm from looping ?
[07:42] <hitmanWilly> utnubuk, the iso thing was kind of an auto-response
[07:42] <Taladan> Gasping Grandmas
[07:43] <hitmanWilly> that's the usual issue
[07:43] <utnubuk> hitmanWilly: i see
[07:44] <utnubuk> hitmanWilly: the shell seems to just freeze up on me when i type k3b. its just not doing anything
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> anyway, utnubuk try what Taladan suggested
[07:44] <utnubuk> bah
[07:44] <utnubuk> kk
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> hmm
[07:44] <utnubuk> yeah thats not working :/
[07:44] <Taladan> just freezes?  doesn't try to initialize the program at all?
[07:44] <utnubuk> nope
[07:45] <Taladan> CTRL C then
[07:45] <utnubuk> ok
[07:45] <hitmanWilly> utnubuk, try restarting x then
[07:45] <Taladan> you can try restarting X and if that doesn't work, completely remove k3b and reinstall it.  Maybe something somewhere got munged.
[07:47] <utnubuk> this stuff seems to happen a lot to me - my wireless card works periodically at best
[07:47] <Taladan> utnubuk: you running ndiswrappers for it?
[07:48] <hitmanWilly> wireless in ubu is spotty at best
[07:48] <utnubuk> nope out-of-the-box kubuntu
[07:48] <utnubuk> sometimes it works like a charm and other times it just doesnt do anything
[07:48] <hitmanWilly> actually, in any nix distro
[07:49] <ybot> I run quicken in windows to keep up with my checking account, is there anyway to use this in kubuntu?
[07:50] <Taladan> utnubuk: if you're running the broadcom wireless cards, their chipset isn't very supported yet across linux...you have to use ndiswrapers for it.
[07:50] <utnubuk> ybot: usualy people that want to run windows apps on linux use wine or cedega
[07:50] <Taladan> ybot - check out gnucash, or kmymoney
[07:50] <hitmanWilly> ybot: there's a couple of alternative apps for it too
[07:50] <Taladan> if you're looking for an app that will do checking account stuff.
[07:51] <Taladan> though...gnucash is not all that, um, intuitive.
[07:51] <hitmanWilly> KMyMoney comes to mind
[07:51] <ybot> Where do you find information about this wine stuff?
[07:51] <Taladan> I've played with it some
[07:51] <utnubuk> !wine
[07:51] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:51] <ybot> I have used quicken for 5 years...
[07:52] <Taladan> ybot - kmymoney can handle the quicken files.
[07:52] <utnubuk> but you might want to consider trying out the programs taladan has reccomended
[07:52] <Taladan> wine is...spotty at best.
[07:52] <utnubuk> word.
[07:52] <ybot> Taladan, Ah, so kmymoney will open the data file from quicken?
[07:52] <hitmanWilly> ybot: quicken should probably work in wine, its the heavy duty directx apps that have problems
[07:52] <wile_e8> I just switched from ubuntu to kubuntu.  Anyone want to help me with my "How do I do X in KDE?" questions?
[07:52] <Taladan> and what works on one release...may not run on the next release.
[07:53] <Taladan> ybot - it's supposed to, according to its own documentation.
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> wile_e8, most of its the same
[07:53] <ybot> Taladan, Okay, thats great. Thanks.
[07:53] <Taladan> hope that helps
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> wile_e8, what exactly
[07:53] <Taladan> wile_e8: what exa...
[07:53] <bdgraue> 7j #kubuntu-de
[07:53] <bdgraue> ups
[07:54] <Taladan> hitmanWilly: out of my head dude.
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> heh :)
[07:54] <wile_e8> Well, I can't find a few things.  Like startup programs.  Where do I set up what programs to run on logon?
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> wile_e8, link them in ~.kde/Autostart
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> anything in that directory will run at startup
[07:55] <wile_e8> ok, I'll set that up.  I'll have a few more questions in a couple minutes
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> or just make an executable shell script and put all the commands you want to run in it
[07:55] <Taladan> that's kinda cool, I didn't even know about the autostart stuff
[07:56] <hitmanWilly> Taladan, its not well documented
[07:56] <bill> what can I use to format my compact flash card?
[07:56] <bill> it is corrupt
[07:56] <Taladan> bill - fdisk
[07:56] <hitmanWilly> or mkfs
[07:56] <Taladan> chances are your flash card will mount as an /dev/sda device
[07:57] <Taladan> hitmanWilly: yeah, bill will need that after he partitions it out like he wants it.
[07:57] <utnubuk> i didnt know you could partition flash drives
[07:57] <Taladan> bill: just make sure you don't put something like ext2 on there when the device may be looking for vfat
[07:57] <hitmanWilly> you can partition just about anything
[07:57] <Taladan> utnubuk: sure you can, why not?
[07:57] <Taladan> The system just sees it as a /dev/sd* device
[07:58] <utnubuk> i just never thought of doing something like that, but i can certainly see the advantages
[07:58] <Taladan> Hell, you can even partition floppies...but that's a bit extreme
[07:58] <hitmanWilly> put DSL on a floppy :)
[07:58] <utnubuk> heh
[07:59] <bill> well, I have to apply a custom partition table to it after it is formatted
[07:59] <hitmanWilly> .2 MB swap partition
[07:59] <Taladan> that would have to be really dsl :P
[07:59] <bill> ok, so what do I do with fdisk?
[07:59] <hitmanWilly> actually, the kernel image is way too big for that
[07:59] <hitmanWilly> even trimmed wayyyyy down
[07:59] <Taladan> bill - basically you can list out what partition table you have on there, if you want to destroy the part and create another, just make sure and look at the different partition types
[08:00] <Taladan> hitmanWilly: not at all..Tom's RootBoot runs on 1 floppy
[08:00] <Taladan> There's a lot of single floppy distros out there...there's even one that you can pop into a machine and it makes it a router.
[08:00] <bill> well I mean, you say fdisk
[08:00] <hitmanWilly> wow, nix on a floppy...
[08:00] <bill> is it an app, is it a command?
[08:00] <bill> lol, sry, I am clueless
[08:00] <hitmanWilly> bill, an app
[08:01] <bill> k
[08:01] <hitmanWilly> bill you have to sudo it
[08:01] <Taladan> bill: it's a command at the commandline..an app...at that level..command and app distinction is very fuzzy.
[08:01] <hitmanWilly> and for the love of God, make sure you're doing the right disk
[08:01] <Taladan> heh
[08:01] <Taladan> yeah
[08:02] <Taladan> cause fdisk does not treat user errors very lightly at all
[08:02] <bill> lmao
[08:02] <hitmanWilly> oops, you re-partitioned your HDD, oh well
[08:02] <bill> I was just about to ask, how can I find out where it is located?
[08:02] <bill> cuz I can't just open it since its corrupt
[08:02] <Taladan> bill - are you running serial ata drives or ide hdd's on that box?
[08:04] <bill> lol sry
[08:04] <bill> tv was funny
[08:04] <Taladan> mmhmm
[08:04] <bill> anyways, my hdd is ide
[08:04] <bill> why?
[08:04] <bill> I'm trying to format my CF card that is plugged into a USB reader
[08:04] <Taladan> because, your flash card will come up as /dev/sda
[08:04] <hitmanWilly> bill, you're not running feisty are you?
[08:04] <Taladan> your hard drive will be /dev/hda
[08:05] <bill> whatever 6.10 is
[08:05] <hitmanWilly> Taladan, actually, feisty calls ALL HDD's sd whatever
[08:05] <hitmanWilly> bill, edgy
[08:05] <hitmanWilly> you're good
[08:05] <Taladan> hitmanWilly: you're kidding me
[08:05] <Taladan> wtf
[08:05] <bill> so sudo fdisk sda ?
[08:05] <Taladan> no
[08:06] <Taladan> sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[08:06] <hitmanWilly> Taladan, nope
[08:06] <hitmanWilly> it screwed up my fstab when i upgraded
[08:06] <Taladan> anytime you do an fdisk, make sure and use the full path, for safety's sake.
[08:06] <Taladan> hitmanWilly: no doubt...why would they do such a thing?
[08:06] <hitmanWilly> got me
[08:06] <bill> unable to read sda
[08:07] <Taladan> um..
[08:07] <Taladan> wow
[08:07] <Taladan> um..try, /dev/sda1   maybe?
[08:07] <hitmanWilly> bill, try qtparted
[08:07] <bill> unable to open
[08:07] <Taladan> that's weird.  fdisk should be able to read /everything/ whether it's corrupt or not.
[08:07] <bill> hmmm, ok
[08:07] <hitmanWilly> its a gui frontend for fdisk
[08:08] <bill> qtparted?
[08:08] <hitmanWilly> yeah
[08:09] <Taladan> it may not be installed on his system
[08:09] <flaccid> !qtparted
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <flaccid> !info qtparted
[08:09] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 716 kB
[08:09] <T0uCH> Hi all... i am running Kubuntu by installing kubuntu desktop on Ubuntu.. and now i am trying to install a software in the add/remove ... after the installation it crash and says : The application Adept installer (adept_installer) crashed and caused the signal  11(SIGSEGV)... can someone help me?
[08:09] <flaccid> optional. install it
[08:10] <utnubuk> T0uCH: run dpkg on the command line and it should give you a remedy i think
[08:10] <hitmanWilly> seg fault in adept, nice
[08:10] <utnubuk> or not :P
[08:10] <Taladan> either that or open the command line and apt-get install -f
[08:10] <utnubuk> i forgot how to do it exactly but ive ran into that problem before
[08:11] <Taladan> er
[08:11] <Taladan> sudo that
[08:11] <Taladan> and it'll be right
[08:11] <Taladan> I really have to stop helping people after 2 am my time.
[08:11] <hitmanWilly> Taladan, ditto
[08:11] <utnubuk> 1am here
[08:11] <sonoftheclayr> the ubuntu 6.06 live cd has gparted on it?
[08:12] <hitmanWilly> i dunno, maybe
[08:12] <Taladan> gparted and qtparted are two different beasts though.
[08:12] <bill> well
[08:12] <T0uCH> thats doesn't helpt me much :P
[08:13] <utnubuk> T0uCH: what are you trying to install?
[08:13] <hitmanWilly> T0uCH, try running a memtest, just for curiosity's sake
[08:14] <abortd> anyone know how to kill a program in gnome that doesnt show in the system monitor?
[08:14] <utnubuk> sudo apt-get install [package name]  -> that won't work but it will tell you the command to run to fix it
[08:14] <T0uCH> utnubuk:  whatever what i am installing it does that whith all fyles type or software... but it seems to work for the installation it just bug
[08:14] <hitmanWilly> it started seg faulting on me when my RAM died
[08:14] <bill> qtparted is having trouble
[08:14] <Taladan> abortd: do you know the name of the program?
[08:15] <abortd> gdesklets?
[08:15] <hitmanWilly> abortd: run xkill and click it
[08:15] <Taladan> abortd: if so, open a terminal and ps -ef|grep <program> to get the pid and then type kill <pid>
[08:15] <bill> and by trouble, I mean everytme it goes to partition my CF card, it says it isn't possible
[08:15] <Taladan> or you can type killall <programname>
[08:15] <abortd> whats xkill?
[08:15] <abortd> nm
[08:15] <Taladan> bill - sounds like you have a dead soldier there
[08:16] <hitmanWilly> abortd: an x app to kill stuff
[08:16] <utnubuk> xkill is cool
[08:16] <abortd> thanks
[08:16] <utnubuk> imo
[08:16] <abortd> click time
[08:16] <bill> :(
[08:16] <Taladan> sometimes hardware does go bad
[08:16] <hitmanWilly> abortd: just be careful, it'll kill anything, including the desktop and taskbar
[08:17] <abortd> :) i know
[08:17] <Taladan> trust me, I know...it's a PITA.  But I had to replace my mobo and proc a week or so ago because it just finally gave out.
[08:17] <bill> see, it says its a gig, but its actually 4
[08:17] <hitmanWilly> bill: dead flash chips
[08:18] <bill> damn
[08:18] <bill> it costs 40 bucks to get another one
[08:19] <bill> lol, it's probably fied because its so cheap
[08:19] <hitmanWilly> not bad for 4 gigs
[08:19] <Taladan> you might be able to get gpartd to try and see it, but...I seriously doubt it, as I think gpartd relies on fdisk at the core
[08:19] <Taladan> er
[08:19] <Taladan> gparted
[08:19] <Taladan> however you spell it
[08:20] <to0om> hi, doesn anyone of you know wheter the current kde version in ubuntu edgy supports encrypted removable devices? so will i simply be promted for the password when i plug in my luks encrypted usb stick?
[08:20] <Taladan> and on that note, I think i'm going to bed.
[08:21] <utnubuk> rofl
[08:25] <hitmanWilly> to0om, don't know
[08:26] <hitmanWilly> to0om, give it a shot
[08:28] <hitmanWilly> well, i need some sleep, later
[08:32] <Arami> Anyone know offhand the Konsole command to mount a HD?
[08:32] <utnubuk> mount
[08:32] <utnubuk> ?
[08:33] <flaccid> !mount
[08:33] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:34] <flaccid> dang
[08:34] <flaccid> !ntfs
[08:34] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:34] <Arami> Hehe
[08:34] <flaccid> thats not a bad guide - because you might want fstab for perm. mount
[08:34] <Arami> Thankies Flaccid ;)
[08:34] <flaccid> thank utnubuk
[08:35] <Arami> Oh, I didn't see utnubuk, Thank you too :)
[08:39] <chemicalvamp> im having issues connecting my fiesty notebook to my dhcp internet (cunnrently on a windows box)
[08:40] <chemicalvamp> anybody on? (i never used irc on a windows box)
[08:41] <Tm_T> Kite_DH|away: oh please
[08:41] <ubuntu> witam all
[08:42] <Warder> Good evening all
[08:42] <Tm_T> Warder: or morning to us in Europe :)
[08:43] <jtt> Tm_T: where in europe
[08:43] <chemicalvamp> i changed my laptops MAC IP SUBNET to be the same as my towers, but i still cant connect to my dhcp.. any ideas
[08:44] <Tm_T> jtt: Morning? all over the Europe I assume ;)
[08:44] <Warder> one sec, lost my monitors again -.- heh
[08:44] <Warder> ok, thats better
[08:44] <Warder> Evening on the down under side of the wrold. hehe
[08:45] <Warder> alrighty, im having issues getting my monitors configured right
[08:45] <Tm_T> Warder: what is it?
[08:45] <jtt> Tm_T: you said you were in europe, i was wonderng where
[08:45] <Warder> Im currently 'using 1280x1024' but it looks like im using 1600
[08:45] <Tm_T> jtt: Eastern Finland
[08:45] <jtt> Tm_T: ah, ok
[08:45] <sotc|livecd> hello all, it's sonoftheclayr here. i booted up into the ubuntu livecd to mess around with partitions but before i do that i need to backup some stuff but i can't mount any of my partitions
[08:45] <Warder> When i try to load the configuration GUI it crashes on me, so i cant do it that way =/
[08:46] <chemicalvamp> sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1
[08:46] <jtt> sonoftheclayr: are u using sudo
[08:47] <chemicalvamp> sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[08:47] <sotc|livecd> let me try that
[08:47] <Warder> ive been in and out of xorg.conf for the last few days, and most of the time ive been locked out of X entirely because of bad config. Usually getitng No Screen errors
[08:47] <chemicalvamp> should work, ive done it a few times
[08:48] <Warder> tho KDE is handling it all a lot better than GNOME was. heh
[08:48] <Warder> Got a radeon 9250 runing 2xCRT if the info helps any
[08:49] <Warder> Any ideas ? lol
[08:49] <sotc|livecd> chemicalvamp: thanks, i was halfway through copying the data to my external hard disk in kubuntu when the power wnet off (my laptop bettery doesn't work)
[08:49] <chemicalvamp> warder, did you do the !ati thing.. i mean completly, your specific driver
[08:49] <chemicalvamp> its near the bottom
[08:49] <Warder> Yeah, specified the right driver. Tho i will download and load the latest drivers if it'll help me
[08:50] <sotc|livecd> bootint up the ubuntu live cd made me realise how much i miss gnome *cough**cough*
[08:51] <Warder> lol, i dont think im going back to gnome
[08:52] <Arami> Hey, Flaccid, you still here?
[08:52] <chemicalvamp> :) np
[08:53] <pollyo> Hello
[08:54] <pollyo> Anyone know what would make /usr/share/apport/apport-qt come up with a box Run as root - KDE se ?? This happens when I first start up kubuntu
[08:54] <aldin> anyone knows how to have 24bit colors in vncviewr?
[08:54] <sotc|livecd> is there some command line to copy files over so it will skip files already there? gnome justs asks about the folders
[08:55] <fdoving> !away > kite_dh
[08:56] <pollyo> Anyone know what apport is?
[08:56] <fdoving> pollyo: bug reporting system.
[08:56] <neptunepink> sotc|livecd: probably either mv or cp would do it, but I don't know any specifics about them
[08:56] <pollyo> fdoving: Any idea why it is asking for a root password?
[08:57] <sotc|livecd> i just checked out the cp man page but there isn't anything in there about not overwriting files already there
[08:57] <fdoving> pollyo: to access the correct log files i guess.
[08:57] <pollyo> fdoving: Does it detect crashes and attempt to send information?
[08:57] <fdoving> neptunepink, sotc|livecd, cp -u
[08:57] <sotc|livecd> fdoving: thank you!
[08:58] <Tm_T> Kite_DH: you should not use public aways
[08:58] <Warder> Okies, got the drivers, trying to install them, now its not recognising X720. heh =//
[08:58] <Warder> Forgot how i got past it last time
[08:58] <fdoving> sotc|livecd: if you want something more complex rsync rocks :)
[08:59] <sotc|livecd> fdoving: i just need to copy files from my hard disk to an external hard disk
[08:59] <sotc|livecd> don't want to get into complex just yet
[08:59] <Warder> X Server: Xorg 7.2.0
[08:59] <Warder> Detected version of X does not have a matching 'x720' directory
[08:59] <fdoving> sotc|livecd: ok. then stick with cp.
[08:59] <jkjk> If i install feisty now will the beta become the final version via updates nest week ?
[09:00] <fdoving> jkjk: yes.
[09:00] <jkjk> ok cool :)
[09:01] <pollyo> Anyone know what a low latency kernel would be?
[09:01] <pollyo> In addition why my system would go from generic to low latency?
[09:01] <fdoving> Warder: i belive that is this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/89793
[09:02] <chemicalvamp> i need to know.. if i change my notebooks MAC IP SUBNET gateway to be the same as my towers (where my dhcp works) should my laptops dhcp work?
[09:03] <fdoving> chemicalvamp: not neccesarily. what is your problem?
[09:03] <chemicalvamp> im at my buddies house, and i cant get my laptop on his dhcp connection
[09:03] <fdoving> chemicalvamp: ok, but it works at your house?
[09:04] <chemicalvamp> btw, ive spoofed my mac address before to get on dhcp, but now its not working (feisty)
[09:04] <chemicalvamp> i plug the cat32 cable into the tower and everything works, but i do it on my laptop and nothing works
[09:04] <fdoving> chemicalvamp: oh.. but the laptop works with dhcp on other networks?
[09:05] <chemicalvamp> ive had nothing but problems with fiestys network device setup.. so im going to say no (so far.. it doesnt even know what to do with my wireless card)
[09:06] <Arami> Hmm, I think I'm having sound problems...I went to the sounds in System Settings to make sure volume was up and such, but there's no sound when I test them. Volume is indeed up, sound enabled...Any ideas?
[09:07] <pollyo> Does anyone have a window pop up that checks "trash" when you start up kde?
[09:07] <mikey> not me
[09:07] <Warder> Hmm, just tried all the ways listed on the page and no luck.
[09:07] <fdoving> chemicalvamp: ok, plug the cable in, open a konsole, (kmenu -> system -> konsole), then run 'ifconfig -a' - is there a eth0 device?
[09:08] <chemicalvamp> fdoving my wireless works on edgy, im sure my wired would too, but i dont know if i could spoof my way into this dhcp with it, i never tried
[09:08] <Warder> root@linserv:~# X_VERSION=710 ./ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[09:08] <Warder> bash: ./ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run: Permission denied
[09:08] <chemicalvamp> do i HAVE to plug the cable in now?
[09:09] <chemicalvamp> i will losdew internet here if i do
[09:09] <fdoving> Warder: chmod +x ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[09:09] <fdoving> Warder: then try again.
[09:09] <Warder> cheers
[09:09] <fdoving> chemicalvamp: no, not yet. you can do it without the cable first.
[09:10] <fredrik_> Is there plugins for konqueror so i can watch webtv?
[09:10] <chemicalvamp> i get eth0, eth0:avah (never had this in edgy) and lo
[09:11] <fdoving> chemicalvamp: ok, good, then atleast the device is up. now try 'dmesg|grep eth0|head -n2'
[09:14] <chemicalvamp> it changed my mac address back to what it udsed to be
[09:14] <firecrotch> Let's say I want to log in to my home computer (from school) with a GUI.  I know I can forward X over SSH, but is there anything I have to do on my home computer to allow it?
[09:14] <fdoving> fredrik_: yes, there are a few, kmplayer-konq-plugins for example, you can also get konqueror-nsplugins and use regular mozilla/firefox plugins, like mozilla-mplayer, kaffeine-mozilla, mozilla-plugin-vlc, etc.
[09:15] <fdoving> firecrotch: first check that your broadband router is forwarding port 22 to your homecomputer if it's not directly connected to the internet. then install and start a ssh-server, nothing more iirc.
[09:16] <fdoving> chemicalvamp: ok, this is just the system log, it's not real time, does it say what kind of device it is?
[09:17] <chemicalvamp> awe man, no copy pastebin :(( it says sky2 eth0
[09:18] <fdoving> chemicalvamp: ouch, sky2s are no good. i have heard others had problems with the same cards.
[09:18] <firecrotch> fdoving: Also, I'll be accessing it from Windows using putty
[09:18] <fdoving> firecrotch: that's not a problem, that'll work.
[09:18] <firecrotch> Alright, thanks, fdoving
[09:19] <fdoving> firecrotch: not sure how putty handles X forwarding, but i belive it does that pretty well. putty rocks.
[09:20] <firecrotch> fdoving: Looks like there is a checkbox to turn it on
[09:20] <firecrotch> :D
[09:20] <Arami> What the hell >.< The "Align to Grid" option isn't actually aligning the icons to grid O_O
[09:21] <chemicalvamp> so what do i do... it worked fine on edgy.. what would i have to replace to get edgy to fix this
[09:24] <phyerboss> hello, anyone here?
[09:25] <Resister> yep i'm here
[09:26] <Warder> 351 users in this chan, bound to be somebody :) ask away. heh
[09:27] <Resister> bukkake
[09:27] <phyerboss> heh
[09:27] <phyerboss> sorry, stared away for a sec
[09:28] <phyerboss> i reinstalled compiz via synaptic...but it seems like it tries to load up but my window's borders dissapear
[09:28] <phyerboss> i was last told this has something to do with needing a window manager
[09:29] <phyerboss> how do i find one for compiz and use it?
[09:29] <Resister> isn't there already a window manager in kubuntu then
[09:29] <phyerboss> supposedly(not sure what its called*)..its the default one
[09:30] <phyerboss> but im guessing compiz needs a diffrent one
[09:30] <phyerboss> not sure
[09:30] <Resister> mkay hehe
[09:30] <phyerboss> as this is totally new territory for me
[09:31] <ybot> Can somebody please help me get connected to the internet using kubuntu (not currently on that o.s.)?
[09:33] <ybot> I try dhclient eth0...It does some messages...then gives me an error (No Dhcp requests)...then something about leases in database...sleeping.
[09:33] <ybot> Anybody?
[09:33] <Resister> ybot have you filled everything in correctly
[09:33] <phyerboss> ybot you're on a lan or directly connected to a modem?
[09:33] <ybot> I was directly connected to a cable modem.
[09:34] <ybot> I was going to try and use my wireless, but I can't use ndiswrapper.
[09:34] <phyerboss> who is you're isp?
[09:34] <ybot> Ritter communications...local isp.
[09:34] <phyerboss> cable or dsl?
[09:34] <ybot> cable..
[09:34] <phyerboss> hmm, most cable isp's you just hook up n' go
[09:35] <ybot> Thats what I thought.
[09:35] <ybot> sheesh.
[09:35] <phyerboss> all the connection info is supposedly in the modem
[09:35] <ybot> I can't get connected to the internet while using any linux o.s.
[09:35] <ybot> slax, ubuntu, kubuntu, mandriva.
[09:36] <ybot> I have documents after documents, no luck.
[09:36] <Resister> in my case it went faster than in windblows lol
[09:36] <ybot> Really?
[09:36] <Resister> yep
[09:36] <ybot> Heck, I can do anything in windows.
[09:36] <ybot> in like seconds.
[09:36] <Resister> especially ubuntu
[09:36] <phyerboss> lets see...what brand of madem is that?
[09:36] <phyerboss> modem
[09:36] <Resister> well windows is more user friendly
[09:36] <Resister> but so is gnom
[09:36] <Resister> e
[09:36] <Topsun> if the connection info is in the modem linux should work too or not?
[09:36] <Arami> I know how you feel, just in my case it's sound O_o My sound drivers are refusing to load :(
[09:36] <Resister> kde sux imho
[09:36] <ybot> Looks like smc
[09:37] <ybot> I don't understand the reply I am getting with dhclient eth0
[09:37] <Warder> lol, my video drivers are refusing to install =/  heh
[09:37] <ybot> linux has too many problems :/
[09:37] <Topsun> ybot: which reply do you get?
[09:37] <Warder> lol, im enjoying it more than windows
[09:37] <phyerboss> not really...its just diffrent
[09:38] <ybot> Topsun, No DHCP requests.....leases sleeping.
[09:38] <Arami> :P Kubuntu doesn't have a monopolized multi trillion dollar corperation behind it LOL
[09:38] <phyerboss> its the same to me as my 1st time learning win98^^
[09:38] <dawn> i rather have linux problems :))
[09:38] <Resister> ybot linux is just a free OS for professionals lol =) ok, you can learn it, but you have to be a freaking programmer to be able to work with it as good as with windows
[09:38] <Warder> At least when linux is locking me out of my GUI it gives me text instead of a black screen.
[09:38] <jsgotangco> amen
[09:38] <phyerboss> so its just a thing of learning something new
[09:38] <Warder> And gives me the code to be able to fix it
[09:38] <Topsun> ybot: perhaps you have a static ip?
[09:38] <dawn> lol...win98
[09:38] <ybot> Topsun, My ip changes everytime I disconnect/reconnect.
[09:39] <Warder> Dynamic
[09:39] <Arami> So that'd be no, dynamic IP XD
[09:39] <dawn> ybot: do you have a dhcp router enabled?
[09:39] <Resister> windows 2k Professional was the best windows I've everhad lol
[09:39] <dawn> yes w2k was great, and it still is
[09:39] <Topsun> ybot: ok and do you know where your login data is  stored? or do you have special programs for windows to connect?
[09:39] <ybot> dawn, yes.
[09:39] <Warder> I was running 2k3 for a while. was nice but i had a shitload of video issues
[09:40] <Warder> But im getting those even now. heh
[09:40] <ybot> Topsun, What login data are you referring to?
[09:40] <Warder> FC5 wasnt even picking up my video card at all
[09:40] <crazy_penguin> Good morning all!
[09:40] <dawn> lol, i run 2k3 in vmware on kubuntu
[09:40] <Warder> Hello crazy_penguin
[09:40] <dawn> my boss said ubuntu is junk
[09:41] <Resister> @Warder linux sux in drivers rofl,, it doesn't even support my cam out of the box
[09:41] <dawn> lol, what he know
[09:41] <Topsun> ybot: some isp's restrict login with a ppp-layer so you need user name and password to establish a connection to the internet
[09:41] <Warder> lol, most windows sucks, too
[09:41] <dawn> boss has issues using outlook
[09:41] <Arami> Morning crazy :)
[09:41] <ybot> Topsun, I have seen nowhere to enter that information in kubuntu.
[09:41] <Resister> @Warder agreed, it fucks up your system lol xD
[09:41] <Topsun> ybot: that does not matter, do you have such login data?
[09:41] <Warder> And i have a shitty card(s) anyways. lol
[09:41] <ybot> Topsun, YEs.
[09:42] <Warder> Radeon 9250 and an MX 440
[09:42] <dawn> windoze requires reinstall every 6 mon - 2 yrs
[09:42] <MuJ> lol lol lol.. awww how cute
[09:42] <Resister> I have a laptop, so it's all crap xD
[09:42] <Arami> 2 years? O_O
[09:42] <Arami> Oi
[09:42] <Warder> i was re-installing every few months. lol
[09:42] <Arami> I wouldn't wait 2 years...
[09:42] <Topsun> ybot: ok, then you have to setup supposedly a pppoe connection
[09:42] <dawn> haha..
[09:42] <Arami> Possibly 6 months, yeah.
[09:42] <Resister> brb
[09:42] <Warder> System becomes unstable and such
[09:42] <fdoving> !offtopic
[09:42] <dawn> I have a desktop out to 2 years
[09:42] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:42] <ybot> Topsun, That is done, how?
[09:42] <dawn> but its having issues
[09:42] <Warder> Although i did go 2 months on XP without shutty down at all. heh
[09:43] <Arami> 2 years would make me cry :(
[09:43] <Warder> y=ing
[09:43] <dawn> ok doving..
[09:43] <dawn> :)
[09:43] <fdoving> thanks. :)
[09:43] <dawn> np, I figured its 3am what the heck
[09:44] <Warder> Architecture: i686 (32-bit)
[09:44] <Warder> X Server (OVERRIDEN BY USER): Unknown X Window
[09:44] <Warder> Detected version of X does not have a matching '710' directory
[09:44] <Warder> You may override the detected version using the following syntax:
[09:44] <Warder>      X_VERSION=<xdir> ./ati-driver-installer-<ver>-<arch>.run [--install] 
[09:44] <Warder> =/
[09:44] <Warder> ah, nevermind
[09:44] <unix_infidel> anyone know of an ubuntu tutorial that shows you how to use ntfsclone to backup windows system partitions?
[09:44] <Warder> i missed the x i think
[09:44] <Topsun> ybot: sudo pppoeconf
[09:44] <flaccid> !pastebin > Warder
[09:44] <Arami> Lewl
[09:45] <Warder> heh, sorry :$
[09:45] <Arami> flaccid be here! O_o
[09:45] <Arami> Quiet, but here!
[09:45] <ybot> Topsun, Okay, i will try that.
[09:45] <ybot> thanks
[09:45] <fdoving> unix_infidel: this does not look so bad: http://alma.ch/blogs/bahut/2005/04/cloning-xp-with-linux-and-ntfsclone.html
[09:46] <dawn> unix_infidel: you mean the entire disk?
[09:46] <dawn> oh wait you said partitions
[09:46] <Warder> bbs, restarting x
[09:46] <Arami> So someone poke my problem then :( I can't hear any sounds, and Kaffeine tells me "All audio drivers failed to initialize!" :(
[09:46] <dawn> there is a really great utility cd called digiwiz, something...
[09:47] <fdoving> !sound | arami
[09:47] <ubotu> arami: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[09:47] <unix_infidel> dawn: jus the system partition.
[09:47] <Resister> im back
[09:47] <unix_infidel> dawn: i just need a simple no nonsense way to backup windows to my OS X server.
[09:47] <unix_infidel> and linux is as simple and no nonsense as it gets.
[09:48] <flaccid> scp
[09:48] <flaccid> thats what i'd use
[09:48] <Arami> Erg :( The sound system is enabled, give Arami some credit...
[09:48] <dawn> I am not sure try a knoppix live c?
[09:48] <dawn> *cd
[09:48] <fdoving> Arami: seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting ?
[09:49] <Arami> I'm reading them now...
[09:49] <warder> Hmm. Loaded my drivers (finally) and now its still doing the same thing. Cant change res using the Monitor and Display tool, and its also the wrong res
[09:50] <fdoving> warder: tried envy?
[09:50] <fdoving> !envy | warder
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about envy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:50] <fdoving> !info envy
[09:50] <ubotu> Package envy does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[09:50] <fdoving> gah.
[09:50] <unix_infidel> flaccid: scp?
[09:51] <warder> Looks like thats for nVidia drivers
[09:51] <fdoving> warder: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html  - and maybe the graphics guys in #ubuntu-effects have more clues about this.
[09:51] <warder> Im using ATI
[09:51] <fdoving> warder: it's for both.
[09:51] <warder> Ah, cool
[09:52] <Arami> Well, I'll remain without sound O_O I'd have to google define: everything on that page.
[09:53] <flaccid> unix_infidel: secure copy
[09:53] <flaccid> you can get winscp to do it from the win client to the os x server
[09:53] <Topsun> Arami: do you have completely no sound or only no sound daemon sound?
[09:53] <flaccid> or other way round if you set up ssh on the winbox
[09:53] <unix_infidel> flaccid: oh, yea, i'll be using simple cifs or scp to transfer the files.
[09:53] <Arami> Topsun: No sound, period.
[09:53] <unix_infidel> its the actual imaging with ntfsclone process i'm curious about :P
[09:54] <unix_infidel> i cant seem to find a half decent program to d it.
[09:54] <Topsun> Arami: is the correct sound driver loaded?
[09:54] <Arami> Topsun Kaffeine gives me an error saying All Audio Drivers Failed
[09:54] <MarcoPau> do you guys know how to avoid ifdown eth0 + ifup eth0 every time I boot up kubuntu in order to make my router work?
[09:54] <flaccid> unix_infidel: so you basically want a free program to image the windows disk
[09:55] <unix_infidel> flaccid: ntfsclone seems promosing.
[09:55] <unix_infidel> promising*
[09:55] <flaccid> does that run on the windows box or the remote server ?
[09:55] <Topsun> Arami: may you test to play a wave file with 'aplay filename'?
[09:55] <unix_infidel> cant find a really good tutorial though.
[09:55] <unix_infidel> flaccid: it runs on the linux live cd i'm going to boot off of.
[09:55] <flaccid> ah sweet
[09:55] <unix_infidel> which is then going to export it to a server over scp or cifs.
[09:56] <flaccid> but the live cd is being run on the windows box to get the image from the disk local?
[09:56] <unix_infidel> flaccid: of course, where else?
[09:56] <Arami> Topsun: I don't think I have any wave files on here, I was testing it using the "Ubuntusax.ogg" that came with it.
[09:56] <flaccid> unix_infidel: i misunderstood sorry
[09:57] <flaccid> unix_infidel: i guess you don't actually have a problem anyway
[09:57] <unix_infidel> flaccid: nope, just looking for a recommendation.
[09:57] <flaccid> oh
[09:58] <flaccid> norton ghost
[09:58] <Topsun> Arami: aplay can only play voc, wav, raw or au
[09:58] <unix_infidel> flaccid: ghost doesnt run on a linux live cd :p
[09:59] <flaccid> that was a requirement?
[09:59] <unix_infidel> in a linux chan.
[09:59] <flaccid> i must of misread
[09:59] <flaccid> lol where is that stated?
[09:59] <Topsun> shortly afk
[09:59] <flaccid> you are asking for windows support in a linux chan anyway
[10:06] <unix_infidel> flaccid: no i'm asking for linux support in a linux chan.
[10:07] <flaccid> to backup a windows disk?
[10:07] <flaccid> sorry you mean only a linux program to do the job
[10:07] <unix_infidel> flaccid: its just data on a ntfs partition, last i checked, i was using linux to do the dirty work.
[10:07] <unix_infidel> yeesh.
[10:07] <flaccid> can you let me know if that program you mentioned is good then pls :)
[10:08] <flaccid> the ntfsclone
[10:08] <Arami> flaccid, you have any ideas on my sound problems? :(
[10:09] <flaccid> what are they Arami
[10:09] <Arami> flaccid: I have no sound, and apparently the sound drivers fail to initilize, I just tried putting my Aerosmith CD in to see if it will play and I got nothin' :(
[10:10] <flaccid> um i don't know much about sound on linux and its poorly documented
[10:10] <flaccid> !sound
[10:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:11] <lupul> !guarddog
[10:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[10:12] <Arami> Flaccid: Yeah :( it's enabled, and that webpage is like greek to me :P
[10:12] <flaccid> ah well
[10:12] <flaccid> this is one of the problems with linux
[10:14] <Arami> No music for me :( What sucks is, I used to be able to listen to music.
[10:15] <Cosmo_> I have such a hard time finding good wallpaper, too many nature shots
[10:17] <Arami> Flaccid: I've just tried restarting the sound system, but it's not letting me have access to the CD? It's saying I need root O_O Is there a way to make it so I don't need root to access the CD?
[10:19] <wilman> hey guys
[10:19] <Arami> Hello wilman :)
[10:19] <wilman> Arami: hey man
[10:19] <flaccid> Arami: what is the output of the command groups
[10:20] <wilman> so xine cannot find a plugin for MRL dvd
[10:20] <flaccid> !dvd
[10:20] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:20] <wilman> hey man thx
[10:20] <Arami> Flaccid: Output of the command groups?
[10:21] <flaccid> Arami: yes goto console under the user you are trying to open the cdrom with and type groups<enter>
[10:21] <pollyo> Does it matter if you switch between synaptic and adept ?
[10:21] <flaccid> pollyo: no
[10:22] <pollyo> Anyone know why my system states from the startup menu that it is loading lowlatency and is asking for the generic restricted modules?
[10:22] <Arami> Flaccid: admin heh
[10:22] <flaccid> Arami: add yourself to the group cdrom
[10:22] <pollyo> If it actually loaded the lowlatency wouldn't it want the lowlatency restricted modules?
[10:23] <Arami> Flaccid: and how do I do that? O_O
[10:24] <flaccid> i think its in system settings - advanced - users and groups
[10:24] <Black_Monkey> is it possible (and advisable) to update to a 2.6.20 kernel on edgy?
[10:24] <flaccid> otherwise use usermod
[10:24] <ybott> Topsun, I tried the pppoeconf.  No luck. It says access concentrator did not respond. *shrug*
[10:25] <Arami> Flaccid: move my secondary or primary group?
[10:25] <flaccid> i remember your group issue Arami
[10:25] <flaccid> you shoud have a group named the same as your user as a primary group
[10:25] <Arami> flaccid: Indeed :(
[10:25] <Arami> Flaccid: yep.
[10:26] <wilman> hmm the funny thing is that i have already installed all packages like dvdcss dvdread etc
[10:26] <flaccid> then these secondary groups i recommend if you are admin: adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[10:26] <se7en> doese someone use virtulBox ... i used vmware before doese anyone know the different
[10:27] <Arami> Flaccid: Ok, so I should be able to access the CD now?
[10:27] <waylandbill> se7en: similar. google could tell you the differences.
[10:28] <flaccid> in theory yes, Arami. i can't predict the future..
[10:28] <se7en> thanks waylandbill i did google they are quite simular
[10:28] <waylandbill> se7en: vmware player is in the multiverse
[10:28] <Arami> Flaccid: New error :( "Device doesn't have read permissions for this account, Check read permissions on device."
[10:29] <waylandbill> !info vmware-player
[10:29] <ubotu> vmware-player: Free virtual machine player from VMware. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.2-2 (edgy), package size 11602 kB, installed size 31336 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[10:29] <flaccid> Arami: google that one Arami.
[10:29] <Arami> Flaccid: Ok
[10:32] <abattoir> dhq: could you turn public away messages off, please?
[10:33] <Arami> Flaccid: Humm, the sites are all showing things about changing the file's ownership...Do you know the Konsole command for that?
[10:33] <flaccid> chown
[10:35] <Arami> Flaccid: syntax? chown <usergroup> <file>?
[10:36] <flaccid> always read the man entry
[10:36] <flaccid> man chown
[10:36] <flaccid> however, here is an example: sudo chown flaccid:admin /tmp/myfile.txt
[10:36] <Arami> QWonderful, got it.
[10:37] <Arami> Yeah, I did it, just...differently.
[10:37] <flaccid> k
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> mkdir cabdump && cd cabdump && wget http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/5/a/f5a3df76-d856-4a61-a6bd-722f52a5be26/PowerPointViewer.exe && cabextract PowerPointViewer.exe && cabextract ppview.cab && cp *TTF *TTC ~/.fonts && cd .. && rm -rf cabdump
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> oops wrong channel
[10:42] <Arami> Well, I have an answer to Topsun's question :P lol
[10:42] <Topsun> Arami: im back. which answer do you have?
[10:43] <Arami> Topsun: Lemme paste bin it :P one sec.
[10:44] <Topsun> ybott: how do you setup your connection in windows?
[10:44] <Topsun> Arami: ok
[10:44] <Arami> Topsun:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15501/
[10:45] <Topsun> Arami: so no card is installed yet
[10:46] <Arami> Topsun: O_O But I have a card...
[10:48] <Topsun> Arami: may you paste the output of 'lspci' regarding your soundcard and of 'lsmod | grep snd' ?
[10:49] <Arami> Topsun: Ok, those are two seperate outputs you want me to paste?
[10:50] <Topsun> Arami: yes command 1 'lscpi' and command 2 'lsmod | grep snd'
[10:51] <Arami> Topsun: Here, I seperated them with the commands titling them at the top - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15507/
[10:52] <Topsun> thanks
[10:52] <giordano> ecchinma
[10:53] <Topsun> Arami: line 8 shows the details about your soundcard
[10:53] <holycow> hey
[10:54] <holycow> what is the metapackage for installing kde on ubuntu?
[10:54] <Arami> Topsun: Yeah, so...It's there...
[10:54] <posingaspopular> kubuntu-desktop
[10:54] <holycow> dank!
[10:54] <posingaspopular> iirc
[10:54] <posingaspopular> kde-desktop
[10:54] <posingaspopular> something
[10:55] <holycow> *hmm*
[10:55] <posingaspopular> kubuntu-desktop
[10:55] <flaccid> kubuntu-desktop
[10:56] <Arami> Topsun: If the card is there then where is this error coming from? :(
[10:59] <tarelerulz> I have movies in rar and I want media player that will see inside the rar to the whole movie  is there one or way to do that
[10:59] <flaccid> tarelerulz: don't think so
[10:59] <Topsun> Arami: perhaps because previously you tried to play a cd, let me test something
[11:00] <tornetftp> hi everybody
[11:00] <posingaspopular> !hi
[11:00] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:00] <Arami> Topsun: Go for it.
[11:00] <tarelerulz> That is ok I guess I will just unrar them and copy them over to my computer
[11:01] <posingaspopular> tarelerulz: unrar them and you can play them in almost any player
[11:01] <posingaspopular> you cant do both
[11:02] <tarelerulz> Well, other then that one nit pick I am doing great playing movies. Now that I know to put the .sub and idx file in there too
[11:04] <flaccid> Arami: what does sudo lsmod | grep snd return?
[11:04] <reldruh> does anybody know if the feisty fawn release candidate was released?
[11:05] <Topsun> Arami: might you download somewhere a small wave file and try again to play it with aplay?
[11:05] <Arami> Flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15507/ scroll down. It's below the first one.
[11:05] <Arami> Topsun: My Aerosmith tracks are waves
[11:06] <Topsun> Arami: shure? but then you can't access them by /dev hdd. you have to navigate to /media/cdrom/...
[11:06] <flaccid> Arami: heh what to do now. there is no decent documentation on alsa/arts/kde sound system and what the heck they are all for
[11:07] <Arami> Topsun: So can't I just drag one of the tracks onto home? :P
[11:07] <Arami> Topsun: Or cp whatever
[11:08] <Topsun> Arami: you can extract cd tracks to wave files
[11:10] <Topsun> Arami: i basically want to test if alsa works. next step is arts
[11:10] <holycow> back
[11:10] <holycow> danke guys, kubuntu desktop it is
[11:10] <Arami> Topsun: OK, so you DON'T want me to access the CD to run the wave file?
[11:11] <Topsun> the point is, you need a small wave file to test alsa with aplay
[11:11] <flaccid> Topsun: how do you test alsa?
[11:11] <flaccid> oh
[11:11] <Topsun> aplay wavefilename
[11:12] <Arami> Topsun: Ok, it's almost done copying.
[11:12] <Topsun> Arami: doesn't matter if it's ripped from a cd or a small and free wave file from the internet
[11:13] <Arami> Topsun: Ok, what's the command you want me to use? aplay?
[11:13] <Topsun> exactly
[11:13] <flaccid> lol read what he said
[11:14] <pollyo> Has anyone here tried landell?
[11:15] <Arami> Topsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15513/
[11:18] <c0ldfr3ak> ok I have a quick question
[11:18] <Cosmo_> how do I activate the kicker applets?
[11:18] <Topsun> Arami: ok, again not working. Then check the alsa device list with 'less /etc/asound.names'
[11:19] <c0ldfr3ak> I am trying to mount 2 Hard drives... one is an NTFS filesystem and the other is FAT32... I need to mount them so I can read and Write on it
[11:19] <flaccid> !ntfs > c0ldfr3ak
[11:19] <dhq> !kubuntu
[11:19] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[11:19] <c0ldfr3ak> I read that website already Flaccid
[11:19] <flaccid> great
[11:19] <c0ldfr3ak> we have it reading we just need it to write
[11:20] <Arami> Error /etc/asound.names: No such file or directory
[11:20] <c0ldfr3ak> any advice?
[11:20] <flaccid> c0ldfr3ak: that page details write access
[11:20] <c0ldfr3ak> i did the steps it told me to do yet it still will not let me write or change permissions
[11:20] <flaccid> anyway
[11:21] <flaccid> is it in fstab?
[11:21] <c0ldfr3ak> aye
[11:21] <flaccid> aye?
[11:21] <c0ldfr3ak> Yes...
[11:21] <Topsun> Arami: the drivers are loaded but alsa has not initialised them :/
[11:21] <flaccid> what part of the word are you from?
[11:21] <flaccid> what is the fstab entry
[11:21] <c0ldfr3ak> Canada
[11:21] <flaccid> ok
[11:21] <c0ldfr3ak> hold on one second
[11:21] <Arami> Topsun: So how do I prod asla to initilize them?
[11:22] <c0ldfr3ak> do you want me to C&P the entry in the room or PM it to you?
[11:22] <flaccid> paste it here
[11:22] <c0ldfr3ak> k
[11:22] <flaccid> it should be 1 line
[11:23] <c0ldfr3ak> /dev/hdc1 /media/hdc1 ntfs ro,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0
[11:23] <flaccid> you have the ro option
[11:24] <flaccid> which is read only
[11:24] <flaccid> change it to rw
[11:24] <flaccid> however you need to be on a kernel that supports ntfs write
[11:24] <c0ldfr3ak> i was reading the site wrong lol... Where it said accessible I was reading Writable... lol Sorry its 5:30AM here
[11:24] <flaccid> you may need dif masks too and you should look up the recommended mask for ntfs write.
[11:24] <flaccid> ok
[11:25] <c0ldfr3ak> one second ill change it to RW and test it out
[11:25] <tarelerulz> Have any of you installed moblock?
[11:25] <pollyo> coldfr3ak: Have you looked at ntfs-3g?
[11:25] <flaccid> c0ldfr3ak: note that ntfs write is experimental and i don't know if your kernel supports it
[11:25] <tarelerulz> Ntfs-3g works great from what I can see. I use it all the time
[11:25] <flaccid> sweet
[11:26] <c0ldfr3ak> Flaccid: Aye... Still won't let me delete lol
[11:26] <flaccid> read what i just wrote..!
[11:26] <flaccid> and sounds like ntfs-3g is the go
[11:26] <c0ldfr3ak> I have Ubuntu 6.06
[11:26] <syssi> hi, ich habe mir mittlerweile 3 kubuntu images heruntergeladen (die beta, edgy und dapper) und sie versucht "persistent" zu starten.
[11:27] <flaccid> then you will need a dif kernel and/or use ntfs-3g afaik/iirc
[11:27] <syssi> oh, i think i've to talk english. :-P
[11:27] <flaccid> persistant what sorry
[11:27] <c0ldfr3ak> pollyo: are you still available.. I haven't tried NTFS-3g yet... care to assist please?
[11:27] <flaccid> !de
[11:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:28] <flaccid> zu starten vas?
[11:28] <c0ldfr3ak> errr... nevermind lol... Flaccid do you use ntfs-3g?
[11:28] <syssi> sorry, i talk english now. :-P
[11:28] <flaccid> c0ldfr3ak: no i don't
[11:28] <c0ldfr3ak> oh pollyo is back...
[11:28] <c0ldfr3ak> pollyo: could you assist me with ntfs-3g?
[11:28] <pollyo> coldfr3ak: ntfs-3g is in the repos.
[11:28] <syssi> i've tried to boot (edgy, dapper, feisty) in persistent-mode (with casper-rw etc).
[11:29] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: If I recall correctly.
[11:29] <flaccid> oh mode
[11:29] <flaccid> !info ntfs-3g
[11:29] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: Third generation Linux NTFS driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060920-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 30 kB, installed size 112 kB
[11:29] <phoenix> any one know how to build beryl-svn? ... i have the src but i am not sure how to get it to compile i have tried ./configure, sh, bash, make
[11:29] <syssi> but whether release i take..  with "persistent" it doesn't boot up.
[11:29] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: I can share my setup from fstab.  I do not know much other then what I got working.
[11:30] <c0ldfr3ak> am I able to get it through the synaptic?
[11:30] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: You should be able to get it from synaptic.
[11:30] <c0ldfr3ak> Ok thank you I will run a quick search
[11:30] <syssi> the system executes /scripts/init-bottom; done
[11:30] <flaccid> pollyo: you have ntfs write going on that fstab entry?
[11:31] <c0ldfr3ak> Its not showing up in synaptic
[11:31] <syssi> afters that it hangs... no reaction
[11:31] <flaccid> c0ldfr3ak: enable universe
[11:31] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: You may have to enable additional repos.
[11:33] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Settings > Repositories
[11:33] <Topsun> Arami: please try 'modprobe -r snd_intel8x0 && modprobe snd_intel8x0' (unloading and loading of the kernel module so we can see if there are some problems
[11:33] <flaccid> i thought arami had a ac97 nvid
[11:34] <Arami> I need to do this in root?
[11:34] <c0ldfr3ak> everything is turned on in the repos
[11:34] <Topsun> flaccid: seemes that the chip is from intel
[11:34] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: It is listed in universe on my synaptic.
[11:34] <flaccid> weird
[11:34] <Topsun> Arami: yes
[11:35] <flaccid> considering dmesg said otherwise
[11:35] <Topsun> or you use sudo ...
[11:35] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: What did you enter for your search term?
[11:35] <c0ldfr3ak> ntfs
[11:35] <Arami> Topsun: Intel? I use amd...
[11:35] <Topsun> Arami: intel sound chip
[11:35] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: just put ntfs-3g it will bring it right up.
[11:35] <Arami> Topsun: Well, I'll trust you O_o
[11:35] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: (should)
[11:35] <nrg88> hi
[11:35] <nrg88> anyone speek spanish here?
[11:35] <Topsun> flaccid: do you have the dmes link?
[11:36] <c0ldfr3ak> I did type ntfs-3g and nothing was appearing
[11:36] <Arami> Topsun: Done.
[11:36] <flaccid> was this it?http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15507/
[11:36] <nrg88> please, does anyone speak spanish?
[11:36] <flaccid> !es > nrg88
[11:36] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Maybe you have to reload the lists
[11:37] <nrg88> thanks
[11:37] <flaccid> np
[11:37] <Topsun> Arami: no errors?
[11:37] <Arami> Arami: No errors, just did it and gave me back the command line
[11:37] <Arami> Oops
[11:37] <Arami> Not to me O_O to you!
[11:37] <Arami> lol
[11:37] <c0ldfr3ak> reloaded the lists and still nothing
[11:37] <Topsun> flaccid: no that is the list of pci devices and the list of loaded modules
[11:37] <flaccid> !repos > c0ldfr3ak
[11:38] <flaccid> Topsun: oh well dmesg would list the same hardware
[11:38] <flaccid> Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[11:38] <flaccid> is that the soundcard.. coz its not intel
[11:38] <Arami> flaccid: Hence my surprise, I'm pretty sure I have an nVidia audio controller.
[11:39] <Arami> Flaccid: but I trusted O_O lewl, Topsun knows more about this stuff than I do.
[11:39] <flaccid> me too
[11:39] <Topsun> then the false driver may be loaded
[11:39] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: You reloaded and check to ensure the setting in: Settings > Repositories > Ubuntu Software has the Community-maintained Open Source software (universe) checked.
[11:39] <flaccid> required drivers look loaded
[11:39] <Topsun> but don't know the module name for nvidia sound chips
[11:39] <Topsun> can't be
[11:40] <flaccid> snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm
[11:41] <Arami> Topsun: was this what you were asking Flaccid for? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15513/ <--
[11:41] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Here is the line I used in my fstabs you might want to look at it and make note for when you get ntfs-3g.
[11:41] <Topsun> that are virtual devices. i have a via ac97 sound chip and there is also a driver for that loaded
[11:41] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[11:41] <Arami> Topsun: Ah
[11:42] <c0ldfr3ak> is there a link i can get ntfs-3g without synaptic
[11:42] <Arami> Topsun: So...I'm still confused, the drivers are there...but not working?
[11:42] <Topsun> Arami: no dmesg is the current kernel output, but i don't think that we can find a solution there or with it
[11:42] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: You'll have to make changes according to your setup.  You can also do a search on google for ntfs-3 and the website will have information on it.
[11:42] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Try apt-get install ntfs-3g
[11:42] <Topsun> Arami: there are drivers but for intel sound chips not for nvidia
[11:42] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[11:42] <Arami> Topsun: O_o well, I've not got Intel anything I don't think.
[11:43] <c0ldfr3ak> Sudo: apt: command not found
[11:43] <pollyo> BRB.. I have to reboot
[11:44] <flaccid> c0ldfr3ak: read about enabling repos. you need universe for ntfs-3g
[11:44] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Did you add a space?
[11:44] <c0ldfr3ak> I did... I have everything enabled on Universe...
[11:44] <Arami> Topsun: So what do I need to do then? O_o
[11:44] <c0ldfr3ak> E: Couldn't find package ntfs-3g
[11:45] <flaccid> then what is the output of sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g c0ldfr3ak
[11:45] <c0ldfr3ak> E: Couldn't find package ntfs-3g
[11:45] <flaccid> c0ldfr3ak: run sudo apt-get update first
[11:45] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: You are using synaptic right?
[11:45] <Topsun> Arami: good question, look there http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0505.2/1614.html
[11:45] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: What did you click to enable universe?
[11:45] <c0ldfr3ak> universe is enabled on everything lol
[11:45] <Topsun> seemes to be an intel sound chip bought by nvidia
[11:46] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: What do you mean enabled on everything ?
[11:46] <c0ldfr3ak>  sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[11:46] <c0ldfr3ak> Reading package lists... Done
[11:46] <c0ldfr3ak> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:46] <c0ldfr3ak> E: Couldn't find package ntfs-3g
[11:46] <c0ldfr3ak> danny500@Netkiller:~$
[11:46] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: It is enabled or not it isn't an --on-- everything type of setting.
[11:46] <flaccid> !pastebin > c0ldfr3ak
[11:46] <flaccid> you arlready said that c0ldfr3ak, don't paste and on't repeat!
[11:46] <c0ldfr3ak> I apologize
[11:47] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: What did you click to enable universe within synaptic?
[11:47] <Arami> Topsun: I see, so what does that mean for me being able to have sound?
[11:48] <c0ldfr3ak> What exactly needs to be on universe within synaptic
[11:48] <Topsun> perhaps a driver problem :/ but i'm googling for some more information
[11:48] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: How did you enable universe within synaptic?
[11:48] <c0ldfr3ak> i clicked it... then clicked edit... the made it universe :D
[11:48] <flaccid> and did you update the list?
[11:48] <Topsun> Arami: it's strange because your snd_intel8x0 isn't used by alsa
[11:49] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Could you talk me through the clicks to enable universe?
[11:49] <flaccid> im assuming not at this point
[11:49] <Arami> Topsun: I see.
[11:50] <c0ldfr3ak> I clicked on "Settings" then I clicked on "Repositories" Then a new window opened I clicked on the items listed clicked on "Edit" then I put in Universe
[11:51] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Then you clicked Close or did you click revert?
[11:51] <flaccid> i've answered your questions c0ldfr3ak care to answer mine
[11:51] <c0ldfr3ak> flaccid; sorry I didn't see your question... yes I reloaded the list
[11:52] <c0ldfr3ak> pollyo: there is no revert
[11:52] <Topsun> Arami: please check the output of 'aplay -l'
[11:52] <flaccid> c0ldfr3ak: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:52] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: When you select universe in the bottom of the box there should be Revert or Close.
[11:52] <Arami> aplay: device_list:221: no soundcards found...
[11:52] <Arami> Topsun:^^^ That was to you, sorry.
[11:52] <c0ldfr3ak> pollyo: Theres "Cancel" and "Ok"
[11:53] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Make sure you click Close.
[11:53] <Topsun> k
[11:53] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Perhaps in my version it is different. I have feisty.  Maybe it isn't in your repos.
[11:54] <pollyo> Does anyone with an earlier version know if ntfs-3g is in the repos?
[11:54] <flaccid> the pastebin will show the problem
[11:54] <c0ldfr3ak> im doing the paste bin now... One second
[11:54] <Topsun> Arami: last check with 'cat /proc/interrupts' to pastebin
[11:55] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: What version of ubuntu do you have installed?
[11:55] <Arami> Topsun:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15518/
[11:55] <c0ldfr3ak> 6.06
[11:56] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G
[11:56] <c0ldfr3ak> I posted on pastebin
[11:56] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: That website will explain what you have to add to the repose.
[11:57] <flaccid> actually i don't think it is
[11:57] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: It has three repos listed that will work with 6.10
[11:57] <flaccid> and that could be because of kernel support
[11:57] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Choose ONE of them to add.
[11:57] <c0ldfr3ak> Pollyo: I am using 6.06 not 6.10
[11:57] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Then follow the easy instructions.
[11:58] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: That page covers 6.06 , 6.10 , and 7.04
[11:58] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: It has you covered.
[11:58] <flaccid> follow pollyo's pasted guide c0ldfr3ak, you must be on dapper or something
[12:00] <c0ldfr3ak> Flaccid: Aye, Dapper
[12:00] <flaccid> it must of been added to edgy or feisty due to the new kernels
[12:01] <Topsun> Arami: is there a output with '/usr/bin/asoundconf list' ?
[12:02] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: ntfs-3g is about 5 cut and pastes away from being on your system if you follow that page.
[12:02] <c0ldfr3ak> yea I found it now lol
[12:02] <c0ldfr3ak> brb
[12:02] <Arami> Topsun: yes
[12:02] <Arami> Topsun:
[12:02] <Arami> Names of available sound cards:
[12:02] <Arami> CK804
[12:02] <Arami> UART
[12:02] <pollyo> brb..
[12:02] <Topsun> great
[12:03] <c0ldfr3ak> danny500 says hi
[12:03] <c0ldfr3ak> cold is my buddy, I'm having him fix my ubuntu to make it read nfs in exchange for me downloading movies for him :D
[12:03] <liam> hi guys does anyone know anything about edgy?
[12:03] <c0ldfr3ak> google it
[12:04] <liam> i just need to know if it supports r has libmtp
[12:04] <qsu> is anybody using opera
[12:04] <liam> qsu, i am
[12:04] <c0ldfr3ak> and t3h fr3ak is back
[12:04] <c0ldfr3ak> and another problem
[12:05] <qsu> how are realplayer movies playing in your browser liam
[12:05] <Arami> Topsun: This is good news?
[12:05] <liam> qsu: dont think ive ever tried them, where you viewing from
[12:05] <Topsun> Arami: let's try '/usr/bin/asoundconf set-default-card CK804'
[12:05] <c0ldfr3ak> Flaccid: you still here?
[12:06] <flaccid> yeah
[12:06] <c0ldfr3ak> I got an error
[12:06] <c0ldfr3ak> E: ntfs-3g: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[12:06] <flaccid> is that the only part of the error?
[12:06] <c0ldfr3ak> no
[12:06] <Arami> Topsun: Did it, now what?
[12:06] <flaccid> ok
[12:06] <c0ldfr3ak> E: fuse-utils: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:06] <qsu> well my problem is liam, that it wants to play them with kaffeine, i use the kaffeine plugin with opera to play streaming in the kaffeine player
[12:06] <Arami> Topsun: Try and play a song?
[12:07] <qsu> but kafffeine gives me an error, i dont think that it can play realplayer
[12:07] <flaccid> c0ldfr3ak: pastebin the whole error incuding the command you ran
[12:07] <liam> qsu: so it wont play them in the browser?
[12:07] <c0ldfr3ak> that is the whole error
[12:07] <Topsun> Arami: yes
[12:07] <qsu> yep
[12:07] <flaccid> c0ldfr3ak: i don't know why the script exited then
[12:08] <Arami> Topsun: well, there's no error, and it looks like it's playing, but still no music.
[12:08] <Arami> Topsun: We've made progress, there's no error, so maybe it's that other one it listed?
[12:09] <Topsun> Arami: maybe the alsamixer can help us. sound output can be muted
[12:10] <Topsun> but you can also try the other device ;)
[12:10] <liam> qsu: sorry i cant get them to play at all in mine
[12:10] <Arami> Topsun: So, what do I do then?
[12:10] <c0ldfr3ak> Flaccid: I will pastebin what I did in the Terminal now
[12:10] <qsu> oke but you have to install realplayer first liam
[12:10] <qsu> then you can play them
[12:10] <Topsun> Arami: start the 'alsamixer'
[12:11] <liam> i already have that
[12:11] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Did you get ntfs-3g?
[12:11] <c0ldfr3ak> k Check paste bin now
[12:11] <Arami> Topsun: Uhm, I typed it in Konsole and it said no such command?
[12:12] <Arami> Topsun: Oh, typo, sorry.
[12:12] <Arami> Topsun:alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[12:12] <Topsun> Arami: check if there are any controllers with MM at the bottom
[12:12] <Topsun> hmmmm
[12:12] <Topsun> no aplay error but no device for alsamixer?
[12:13] <c0ldfr3ak> pollyo: Check pastebin
[12:13] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak:  Did you get ntfs-3g installed?
[12:13] <c0ldfr3ak> Pollyo: Check pastebin
[12:14] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: For what?
[12:14] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: What are you attempting to do?
[12:14] <c0ldfr3ak> i got an error when installing
[12:14] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: What is the link?
[12:14] <Topsun> Arami: unfortunately i have to go to lunch :/
[12:15] <c0ldfr3ak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15521/
[12:15] <Arami> Topsun: Np, thanks for your help, I'll probably be here if you're coming back.
[12:15] <Topsun> Arami: ok, cu
[12:16] <Arami> Topsun: /wave Thanks for all your help so far! :) Hopefully I'm still here when you get back and we can find a solution.
[12:17] <livenicely_> hello
[12:17] <c0ldfr3ak> so?
[12:17] <Arami> Hello livenicely :)
[12:17] <livenicely_> i cant listen sound when i play .dat or vcd file in keffiene. i am using kubuntu 6.10
[12:18] <Dellilah> yay i successfully installed vlc without my boyfriend's help :D
[12:20] <Arami> Dellilah, congratulations :) It's always wonderful to be independant from them >.< This I know all to well.
[12:20] <Tm_T> Dellilah: nice :)
[12:20] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: I do not know how to add repositories in versions prior to 7.04.  I suggest you look at the following page:
[12:20] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[12:20] <livenicely_> how i can listen vcd sound in keffiene
[12:20] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Or better yet: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#head-155b53308911d4d3869b3650856a41550f57f891
[12:21] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: It looks like you might need help on this topic.
[12:23] <c0ldfr3ak> I wonder what I've been doing the last half hour lol :P
[12:23] <pollyo> Anyone here have beryl running on legacy nvidia?
[12:25] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Once you get the repository in the list it isn't going to be difficult to install and setup.
[12:25] <c0ldfr3ak> i have it in the list
[12:25] <c0ldfr3ak> it's already installed but it said that it's not configured
[12:26] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Ok
[12:26] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Did you run the ntfs-config?
[12:27] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: You have to install it through the suggested: sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[12:27] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: From the website I shared
[12:27] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Then: gksu ntfs-config
[12:28] <c0ldfr3ak> sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[12:28] <c0ldfr3ak> Password:
[12:28] <c0ldfr3ak> Reading package lists... Done
[12:28] <c0ldfr3ak> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:28] <c0ldfr3ak> E: Couldn't find package ntfs-config
[12:28] <c0ldfr3ak> now what?
[12:29] <edgy> Hi, How can I let my laptop beeps when the battery is about to discharge fully, please?
[12:29] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: You were able to get the ntfs-3g but not the ntfs-config that is in the same repository?
[12:29] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Ok
[12:30] <c0ldfr3ak> no
[12:30] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: In a console type "locate ntfs-3g" (without the quotes)
[12:30] <c0ldfr3ak> nothing happened
[12:31] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: I must not be understanding what you mean by "its already installed but it said that it's not configured"
[12:32] <Max1982> morning, i'm wondering if someone could tell me if i should take the leap from edgy to feisty now i'm getting impatient - & is it as easy as renaming my repos list entries from edgy to feisty?
[12:32] <c0ldfr3ak> bagock
[12:32] <c0ldfr3ak> Ihad to get that out in the open
[12:33] <edgy> Max1982: I am using it now and it's pretty nice for me
[12:34] <MidMark> I was seeing this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades on kubuntu network upgrade at the end it says "Repeat the initial steps (1-4)." but first you have to change from "edgy" to "feisty" isn't?
[12:34] <Max1982> edgy: and i just need to rename the entries in my repositories list yeah?
[12:34] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Your pastebin didn't show you install or change anything.
[12:34] <c0ldfr3ak> question. If I download and install 7.04 will it be able to read the NTFS system right off the bat?
[12:35] <edgy> Max1982: I haven't tried that since I did a fresh install but I guess it's better to use update-manager
[12:35] <c0ldfr3ak> ok I just checked to see if it's iinstalled and it is
[12:35] <c0ldfr3ak> according to synaptic
[12:36] <edgy> Max1982: update-manager -c -d
[12:36] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#head-a86dddc6826cec4a3847d8441b24051d07b8dc64
[12:36] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: System > Admin > Software Properties
[12:37] <c0ldfr3ak> it's done already
[12:37] <c0ldfr3ak> it's installed
[12:38] <c0ldfr3ak> but it said it couldn't be configurated
[12:38] <Max1982> ok here we go then....fingers crossed :D
[12:38] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: : Ok
[12:38] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Do you know the partition that is NTFS?
[12:38] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: Do you know where you want to mount it?
[12:39] <tuco> Guys is there a real need to install an antivirus in Kubuntu if you don't have a server?
[12:40] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: http://ubuntuos.wordpress.com/2006/08/02/howto-write-to-windows-ntfs-drive-from-ubuntu-ntfs-3g/
[12:41] <pollyo> tuco: It looks like the av software checks for windows virus.
[12:42] <pollyo> tuco: I have klamav / clamav setup on my machine and f-prot they both appear to check for windows virus signatures.
[12:42] <tuco> I mean I run on dual boot xp/kubuntu and sometimes I would like to run a scan for security. Is there a simple antivirus I can use in Kubuntu?
[12:42] <tuco> Ah ok
[12:42] <pollyo> tuco: I use them to check my ntfs and my wine areas.
[12:42] <tuco> I tried to install klamav/clamav once but got confused
[12:42] <pollyo> tuco: Take a look at klamav
[12:42] <tuco> yes
[12:43] <pollyo> tuco: I didn't have much trouble.  getting klamav to work.
[12:43] <pollyo> tuco: I do not recall the setup at this time though.
[12:43] <tuco> I install klamav first and then clamav after, or only one is necessary?
[12:44] <Tm_T> tuco: klamav is frontend to clamav, so you need both
[12:44] <pollyo> tuco: Klamav is the GUI portion for clamav.
[12:44] <tuco> So install clamav first and then Klamav right?
[12:44] <c0ldfr3ak> whats the command to config ntfs-3g
[12:45] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: gksu ntfs-config
[12:45] <pollyo> c0ldfr3ak: That will run the config
[12:45] <danny500> ok
[12:46] <danny500> all it did was ask for my password then nothing else happened is that good?
[12:46] <posingaspopular> danny500: in refrence to?
[12:46] <danny500> the config
[12:47] <pollyo> danny500: Didn't give you any error?
[12:47] <posingaspopular> uh if you did the right command, then yea sometimes there is no outputin terminal
[12:47] <Max1982> QUIT [upgrading to feisty...Nervous] 
[12:47] <danny500> I told it to config the ntfs thingy and then it asked for my password then nothing else happened
[12:49] <steven_> hello
[12:49] <deian> hi there
[12:49] <deian> anyone here know where i can find a guide on installing nvidia driver on fesity?
[12:49] <steven_> can anybody help with my kubuntu randomly freezing?
[12:49] <posingaspopular> !anyone
[12:49] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:49] <posingaspopular> !nvidia
[12:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:50] <steven_> anyone lease?
[12:50] <steven_> please i mean
[12:50] <posingaspopular> !anyone | steven_
[12:50] <ubotu> steven_: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:51] <posingaspopular> steven_: what's the issue?
[12:51] <Arami_Away> lewl
[12:51] <steven_> i did a fresh install last night and the whole system will freezeup and i have to press the reset button
[12:51] <steven_> can freeze anytime
[12:52] <posingaspopular> where/when? install of which release?
[12:52] <deian> maybe you got a duff copy on ur DVD/CD
[12:53] <deian> did u check the checksum, and burn at the slowest rate?
[12:53] <posingaspopular> i would just reinstall. if it's 6.10,then you are out of luck, because 6.10 is autrocious imho
[12:54] <deian> i really can't find flash for firefox guys
[12:55] <deian> does any one feel helpful?
[12:55] <posingaspopular> !flash
[12:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:55] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[12:55] <deian> for feisty?
[12:55] <deian> !flash !feisty
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash !feisty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:55] <posingaspopular> deian: ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:55] <posingaspopular> iknow the answer is super easy
[12:55] <posingaspopular> i cant remember it
[12:56] <Contrast> Greets, everyone...
[12:56] <deian> well i tried before, i installed all sorts of things but still not there
[12:56] <posingaspopular> or search for gnash
[12:57] <posingaspopular> !hi
[12:57] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:57] <solomon_> flash in in others, if you're using adept...the package name is ubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:59] <shawn34> is it possible to install kde alongside gnome? i want to try it out? will it be able to easily remove it if i don't like it?
[01:00] <shawn34> i guess i could just run a live cd
[01:02] <posingaspopular> shawn34: you dont want gnome trust me
[01:02] <frojnd> can someone please tell me what's wrong with my smb.conf cause XP user can't look into my folders. It shows a message that he must enter username and password. I don't wanna to have my shares under password. Even though that thus XP user is also user in my system, I created it with the same user name and password as he has in his XP. I also created samba user also the same as XP user details. This is the smb.conf
[01:02] <frojnd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15524/
[01:02] <posingaspopular> just run a live cd if you want to try it out
[01:02] <shawn34> posingaspopular, why?
[01:02] <shawn34> ive only ever really used gnome
[01:02] <shawn34> so its kinda just what im used to
[01:02] <shawn34> whats better about it?
[01:03] <posingaspopular> well i just like kde. im not too sure about the in depth technological differences, but i know i like kde much better. xfce is good to use too.
[01:05] <solomon_> as Snoop Dogg said at last years grammy's (and this is a quote), "KDE is the shizzle my nizzle"
[01:05] <solomon_> ok, i might have made that up, but he would say it if he only knew
[01:05] <shawn34> lol
[01:05] <shawn34> anyone have beryl running on kde?
[01:05] <shawn34> how is it?
[01:05] <shawn34> different from beryl on gnome?
[01:06] <solomon_> i believe it's just as buggy either way, but I could be wrong ;)
[01:07] <rjb> hi, i'm on amd64 and with 2.6.17-11 kernels, ndiswrapper no longer works for me
[01:08] <rjb> with 2.6.17-10 all is fine
[01:08] <rjb> can anyone comment?
[01:11] <rjb> has no one seen (or better yet, solved) the same problem?
[01:11] <richardh_> Hello everyone...anyone familiar with swap partition issues (post install!)?
[01:13] <mrigns> my fonts look horrible, i tried the mstcorefonts but it still looks not as it should
[01:14] <rjb> richardh_: what sort of issues?
[01:14] <warder> bbl, re-installing to reset this video issue -.-
[01:15] <rjb> richardh_: there shouldn't be any, unless your hd is broken
[01:15] <mrigns> is there a common wy to fix the appearance of my fonts?
[01:15] <richardh_> rjb: well, I had this problem that arose after the edgy upgrade...swap not recognized
[01:15] <richardh_> rjb: I remedied that by doing swapon etc...adding new UUID to fstab
[01:16] <frojnd> !samba
[01:16] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:16] <richardh_> rjb: now it's recognized, but somehow isn't used effectively...
[01:16] <mrigns> !fonts
[01:16] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[01:17] <rjb> richardh_: what makes you think so?
[01:17] <blekos> hi, do u have anything to suggest for battery monitoring? the power manager tool doesnt seem to work too well
[01:17] <blekos> i'd like smg that wil display time remaining (aprox.)
[01:18] <richardh_> rjb: well, the symptoms of an unrecognized swap partition surface again: CPU gets hot, system very slow...and swap usage halts at 1%
[01:19] <rjb> richardh_: what do `free' and `swapon -s' tell you?
[01:20] <richardh_>  /dev/sda5                               partition       1477940 17364   -1
[01:20] <richardh_> but strangely...the amount of used swap space is almost always exactly the same...
[01:21] <richardh_> that's what made me think it somehow stops being used, even though it should be for the system's stability
[01:21] <rjb> exactly, as in up to the single kB?
[01:22] <richardh_> rjb: yes
[01:23] <richardh_> well, I think once it went up a bit more...but after that the system became unstable again...
[01:23] <richardh_> it seems to me like it's a software thing rather than a hw thing...
[01:23] <Contrast> Greets, everyone...
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> richardh_: I had the same problem, did you update ?
[01:23] <Contrast> I'm having a rather hard to explain problem with KDM. Could anyone be so kind as to check the video here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8648764226375102899 and tell me if they know of a solution?
[01:24] <richardh_> linux galore: I indeed did...
[01:24] <richardh_> linux galore: if you mean from dapper to edgy
[01:25] <rjb> richardh_: that's more weird than whatever i've seen
[01:26] <richardh_> rjb: good to know it at least has a freakiness factor ;)
[01:26] <rjb> i'd have a close look at the more recent files in /var/log
[01:26] <rjb> other than that, i don't think i can help you, sorry
[01:26] <richardh_> rjb: I first thought it was an ACPI Fan problem...but the missing swap partition sort of makes me think it's really a software thing
[01:26] <richardh_> rjb: well, thanks for your time though
[01:28] <richardh_> linux galore: how did you solve the problem?
[01:28] <knoppix> hi everyone!
[01:28] <knoppix> could I be so bold as to ask someone to send me their /etc/init.d/kdm file
[01:28] <knoppix> I accident overwrote mine :(
[01:29] <knoppix> hi mrigns, do you have a file called /etc/init.d/kdm at all?
[01:29] <mrigns> lol yes
[01:30] <knoppix> mrigns,  :)
[01:30] <knoppix> mrigns, can you send it to me at all?
[01:30] <knoppix> I accidently overwrote mine :(
[01:30] <mrigns> lol
[01:31] <knoppix> oh I don't know what happened there :(
[01:32] <knoppix> sorry mgrin can you try again :o)
[01:32] <knoppix> I think there is something wrong with my computer :(
[01:32] <rjb> richardh_: btw, is your box a laptop?
[01:33] <knoppix> mrigns, can you /join #paste and put /etc/init.d/kdm contents in there?
[01:33] <mrigns> ...
[01:33] <chijin> !paste
[01:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:33] <rjb> richardh_: and how much ram does it have?
[01:34] <knoppix> thank you ubotu, rjb I am now at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ can someone please paste their /etc/init.d/kdm file here ... many thanks :)
[01:34] <blekos> i have default language GB, and use the repos of Gb, my secondary language is greek, but when i installed kpowersave (via synaptic) i see the dialogs in greek. y is that?
[01:35] <rjb> ohwell, gotta run. some other time
[01:36] <knoppix> thank you solomon_  but that does not work for some reason, mrigns already tried this :(
[01:36] <knoppix> Hopefully the pastebin will work else I may be stuck :(
[01:37] <yodo> hi
[01:37] <solomon_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15538/
[01:38] <knoppix> solomon_, thank you so much !
[01:38] <solomon_> np
[01:39] <blekos> is there away to change the messages that appear from one langue to another?
[01:45] <mrigns> my fonts look really terrible, totally unclean and ugly
[01:49] <frojnd> umount: /media/USB Disk: device is busy   How can I umount usb stick??    or how can I kill proccesses that are related to usb!?
[01:49] <blekos> i have default language GB, and use the repos of Gb, my secondary language is greek, but when i installed kpowersave (via synaptic) i see the dialogs in greek. y is that?
[01:50] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to figure out usenet and how to read things and download binaries.  I got a .nzb to test with Klibido and added it.  But the files from the file are queued.  Do I need to add a server to start them?
[01:50] <solomon_> frojnd: are u in a directory on the usb stick?
[01:51] <frojnd>  I was but I move ahead and it's still the same message
[01:52] <solomon_> just cd back to your home directory and try again
[01:52] <solomon_> check all the consoles
[01:53] <dettoaltrimenti> is there a program that can mount bin and cue files in ubuntu?
[01:54] <chijin> dettoaltrimenti: you can convert it to iso
[01:55] <flaccid> then mount http://linux.about.com/od/kubuntu_doc/a/kubudg28t07.htm
[01:55] <flaccid> !iso
[01:55] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[01:56] <dettoaltrimenti> how do I convert bin/cue to iso
[01:56] <Tm_T> !cue
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:56] <Tm_T> hmh
[01:57] <fdoving> !bchunk
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bchunk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <fdoving> !info bchunk
[01:57] <ubotu> bchunk: CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0-1 (edgy), package size 12 kB, installed size 68 kB
[01:57] <fdoving> !info bchunk | dettoaltrimenti
[01:57] <ubotu> dettoaltrimenti: please see above
[01:57] <Nullbyte> Hay guys, when is feisty going to be released?
[01:57] <fdoving> !feisty | nullbyte
[01:57] <ubotu> nullbyte: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[01:59] <lucas__> Does anyone built/tried xserver 1.3 with free ati drivers?
[01:59] <dettoaltrimenti> ah thank you
[02:03] <frojnd> how can I delite samba user?
[02:06] <dettoaltrimenti> is there an option with the mount command to create the folder where you tell it to mount if it doesn't exist?
[02:08] <Cugel> detto: don't think so.
[02:08] <Cugel> Maybe force mount?
[02:09] <Contrast> I'm having a rather hard to explain problem with KDM. Could anyone be so kind as to check the video here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8648764226375102899 and tell me if they know of a solution? (The movement starting at the 5 second mark is from moving the mouse to the edge of the screen, not from the camera moving.)
[02:09] <Contrast> Here's my xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15540/
[02:13] <lucas__> Contrast: Really don't understand your problem ?
[02:14] <lucas__> I watch several times your video
[02:14] <Contrast> lucas__: Someone else who I explained the problem to suggested my virtual screen size is bigger than the actual screen size.
[02:16] <solomon_> Contrast: did u edit that xorg.conf by hand?
[02:16] <Contrast> lucas__: At the login screen, the screen itself is at the proper resolution, but the actual login screen seems to be at a larger resolution. Moving the mouse cursor to the edges of the screen "moves the screen."
[02:16] <Contrast> solomon_: Nope.
[02:17] <lucas__> ok
[02:17] <solomon_> I'm pretty sure you have the modes backwards
[02:17] <solomon_> cuz it's gonna go thru em until it finds one that works
[02:17] <Contrast> What I don't get is why it only occurs at the login screen. It seems to be an X problem, but shouldn't that mean the problem would persist after I login?
[02:18] <fdoving> Contrast: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log  and /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[02:18] <Contrast> And if it were an X problem, wouldn't there be a bit of screen flickering between the login screen and the KSplash Screen?
[02:20] <Contrast> fdoving: My xorg.conf is in the pastebin link above. Here's my Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15546/
[02:21] <fdoving> Contrast: thanks, i'll have a look.
[02:21] <Contrast> fdoving: Thanks.
[02:21] <MaDiNfO_> hi
[02:21] <sonoftheclayr> hi
[02:21] <Aikurn> hi
[02:21] <MaDiNfO_> can anybody helpme with a epson R200 ?
[02:21] <solomon_> ok, but what i'm suggesting is that the modes have to go from highest to lowest, because if X finds one that works, it's gonna use it, in this case 640x480
[02:22] <fdoving> Contrast: i can't see the log in any of them. xorg.conf is in both.
[02:23] <Contrast> fdoving: Whoops, sorry. Got the two windows mixed up. Sorry, one sec...
[02:23] <MaDiNfO_> can anybody helpme with a epson R200 ? installing it ? i found no drivers on driver selection
[02:23] <Contrast> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15547/
[02:23] <Contrast> There ya' go
[02:25] <MarcoPau> do you guys know how to avoid ifdown eth0 + ifup eth0 every time I boot up kubuntu in order to make my router work? Till a while ago I didn't need to do that...
[02:25] <fdoving> Contrast: what resolution is your tv running at when kdm starts?
[02:25] <fdoving> Contrast: 1440x900?
[02:25] <lucas__> MaDiNfO_: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_Photo_R200
[02:26] <Contrast> fdoving: The TV itself is at 1280x720, the resolution that I use. KDM appears to be using something greater than that though.
[02:26] <lucas__> MarcoPau: Do you have knetworkmanager running ?
[02:26] <MaDiNfO_> lucas__: thats rpm driver only :(
[02:26] <MaDiNfO_> fedora 6 added my printer auto
[02:26] <MarcoPau> lucas__: no clue
[02:27] <fdoving> Contrast: ok. so could the "real" size of the KDM window be 1440x900, just a litte bigger in all directions?
[02:27] <MaDiNfO_> kubuntu only failing on that
[02:27] <lucas__> MaDiNfO_: Your can use alien to convert your rpm in deb
[02:27] <flaccid> boo hooo MaDiNfO_
[02:27] <flaccid> :p
[02:27] <Aikurn> My ide devices have disappeared from /dev under feisty, does anyone know how to get them back?
[02:27] <MarcoPau> lucas__: I don't even know what that is... I didn't run anything like that, unless it's a daemon?
[02:28] <lucas__> MarcoPau: in the K menu your have a tool named network manager
[02:28] <fdoving> Aikurn: you can't, they are all /dev/sd* now,
[02:28] <Contrast> fdoving: That sounds about right.
[02:28] <fdoving> Contrast: ok.
[02:28] <lucas__> networkmanager is the deamom
[02:28] <lucas__> knetworkmanager interface it
[02:28] <pakillo> hola
[02:28] <lucas__> MarcoPau: Are you on edgy ?
[02:29] <fdoving> Contrast: ok. the max resolution of your tv is 1280x720 right?
[02:29] <pakillo> algn espaol?
[02:29] <fdoving> !es | pakillo
[02:29] <ubotu> pakillo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:29] <Contrast> fdoving: That's not the max res., but that's what I use.
[02:29] <fdoving> Contrast: that's what you -want- to use?
[02:30] <Aikurn> fdoving: but there's only one /dev/sd* device and it's not the one I've lost :s
[02:30] <Contrast> Umm, well, it's what I do use. It's just not what KDM appears to be using.
[02:30] <Timmmm> Hi, does anyone have a copy of gflashplayer 7 (not 9) lying around? I can't find it anywhere on adobe's website.
[02:30] <Contrast> Sorry if I'm not communicating this very clearly. :-\
[02:30] <fdoving> Aikurn: they have been renamed to /dev/sd something.
[02:31] <fdoving> Contrast: no, you are, i just have weird questions. :)
[02:31] <Contrast> Heh, ok
[02:31] <jon_> #ubuntu
[02:31] <fdoving> Contrast: you want to use 1280x720 right? even if it supports higher resolutions.
[02:31] <Contrast> Ohh, ok. Correct.
[02:31] <lucas__> MarcoPau: Is that ok  for you ?
[02:32] <Timmmm> For some reason they just have version 6
[02:35] <Aikurn> fdoving: doing "ls -l /dev/sd*" just finds /dev/sda[1-6] 
[02:35] <fdoving> Contrast: try this xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15548/ i modified the "Modes" line for your tv.
[02:35] <fdoving> Aikurn: check 'dmesg' output for your devices.
[02:35] <Aikurn> ok
[02:37] <fdoving> Contrast: i removed all modes higher than 1280x720, which is the one you want.
[02:38] <tarelerulz> I want to see how much room is left on my linux partiton and the rest of my hard drive too ?
[02:38] <chijin> tarelerulz: 'df -h' in the terminal
[02:39] <MarcoPau> lucas__: alright, I didn't click on it. what am I supposed to do with that?
[02:39] <Contrast> fdoving: Thanks, brb.
[02:39] <lucas__> MarcoPau: Normally it just configure automatically you're network interface
[02:40] <fdoving> tarelerulz: you can also rightclick on any file/folder and select properties, then at the bottom of the General tab, it says "Free disk space"
[02:40] <lucas__> "your network interface" damn keyboard
[02:42] <lucas__> So it may take effect on startup
[02:42] <lucas__> MarcoPau: Maybe if you try to restart your computer and see what happens then
[02:43] <lucas__> Since your network interfaceis configured now so it' not a great challenge now
[02:44] <sebbar> hi, if I open my camera in konqueror at the top it says camera://... how do I know where the camera is mounted exactly?
[02:44] <Contrast> fdoving: Thanks for trying, but Xorg wouldn't start at all with that xorg.conf.
[02:45] <MarcoPau> lucas__: what should I check?
[02:45] <lucas__> sebbar: Maybe in /media ?
[02:45] <fdoving> Contrast: can you provide the Xorg.0.log in a pastebin?
[02:45] <sebbar> lucas__: nope, it's not in media
[02:45] <lucas__> MarcoPau: Normally nothing you may have an icon in your systray
[02:45] <lucas__> sebbar: maybe if your try a dmesg you can see this ?
[02:46] <Contrast> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15551/
[02:46] <dettoaltrimenti> using k3bsetup, how can I change the permissions so I can burn a dvd with k3b without being root?
[02:46] <Contrast> dettoaltrimenti: Settings -> Configure K3B
[02:47] <dettoaltrimenti> should I put my user name as the permission? like this- permissions: 666.root.dettoaltrimenti
[02:47] <gemidjy> random thought: if only OO.org fixes the startup time it will be the best office package out there
[02:48] <Contrast> dettoaltrimenti: Sorry, nevermind. I remembered something incorrectly.
[02:48] <dettoaltrimenti> Contrast- I'm looking at K3b Setup, and in "use burning group" I put my username, but it's still not working
[02:49] <MarcoPau> lucas__: ok, so is it better for this knetworkmanager to be open or not?
[02:51] <lucas__> MarcoPau: What do you mean ? It stays in the system tray so it's rinning all th etime
[02:51] <Nickname> Hello everybody
[02:52] <lucas__> Hi mister Nickname
[02:52] <lucas__> :)
[02:52] <Arami> Hello Nickname XD
[02:52] <Arami> Er...smashly
[02:52] <MarcoPau> lucas__: yea ok, but what am I supposed to do with that in order to fix this problem with my eth configuration?
[02:53] <lucas__> Normally it automatically runs dhclient on your network interface in order to configure it automatically
[02:54] <lucas__> MarcoPau: You are not expected to enter any information
[02:54] <MarcoPau> ok
[02:55] <lucas__> MarcoPau:  have a try and come back to see us if doesn't work
[02:55] <MarcoPau> lucas__: instead to use dhcp I should hack on it and erase the info in /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:55] <lucas__> MarcoPau: Maybe you will nedd to clean it
[02:55] <MarcoPau> ok
[02:55] <lucas__> I jsut give you th emine
[02:56] <trojkolka> is it a bug that wireless networks are not found anymore with Knetworkmanager or did it just change planned? I mean that the Essid were shown of available wireless networks in the surrounding of the laptop and if you were connected to a wireless network your tray icon changed to a signal strength icon but this is not the case anymore
[02:56] <lucas__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15555/
[02:57] <Ahmuck> when i try to login to kubuntu, it loops, any suggestions on how to fix this ?
[02:57] <trojkolka> i can still connect to wireless networks though
[02:57] <lucas__> trojkolka: The networkmanager had some trouble these days if you are running feisty
[02:58] <trojkolka> oh yeah sorry... indeed i running an totally updated version of feisty
[02:58] <lucas__> trojkolka: no worries normally the last updates fix this
[02:59] <lucas__> I use the main archive site and didi not seeee anything
[02:59] <trojkolka> perfect =) because tonight i'm going to a friend to convince him of Kubuntu and install it on his server =)
[02:59] <lucas__> sinceI didn0t upgrade yesterday
[03:00] <trojkolka> he saw it running on my laptop once and became very curious... :D
[03:00] <Contrast> fdoving: Still there?
[03:01] <cntb-guest> \o
[03:01] <smashly> Has anyone got experience with the Intel 3945abg wlan? Should it just work, I'm running (attempting to) 6.10 or do I need to install other software first?
[03:01] <cntb-guest> guys in kde could I chnge non-unicode chars need greek in Firefox
[03:01] <archangel_> what would cause open office to quit during startup splash screen
[03:02] <cntb-guest> guys! wherein kde could I chnge non-unicode chars need greek in Firefox?
[03:02] <lucas__> smashly: I think it works on feisty (I remember a friend who use it )
[03:02] <Contrast> fdoving: I finally got it. I just removed every reference to all the resolutions besides 1280x720 in my xorg.conf. Thanks for setting me on the right track. Greatly appreciated. :-D
[03:02] <lucas__> But I m'sure it works on feisty
[03:02] <abattoir> archangel_: have you tried launching it through a terminal? might provide some info
[03:02] <smashly> thanks lucas__ downloading it now ;)
[03:02] <archangel_> hmmm, ok trying it
[03:03] <Bernardo> hi
[03:03] <abattoir> cntb-guest: tried View->Character Encoding in firefox?
[03:03] <archangel_> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[03:03] <archangel_> Could not get a file descriptor referring to the console
[03:03] <archangel_> those are the errors
[03:04] <trojkolka> does feisty support multiple display screens? because everytime i want to clone my desktop/screen to my tv my screen turns in to a black and white patchwork and quilting pattern and i need to reboot to get my desktop back
[03:04] <lucas__> smashly: Remember to check if your wireless led's are on  I was going mad to weeks ago
[03:04] <cntb-guest> abattoir: no systemwide you say
[03:04] <abattoir> archangel_: what are you launching oowriter?
[03:04] <sioux> kubuntu 7.04 download doesn't exist
[03:04] <lucas__> The driver was loaded but the interface wasn't detected
[03:04] <abattoir> cntb-guest: for all kde-apps or just firefox?
[03:04] <sioux> ?
[03:04] <archangel_> open office   is what I typed
[03:04] <abattoir> sioux: it's not been released yet
[03:04] <lucas__> smashly: until I  press the button to run the wireless
[03:05] <cntb-guest> abattoir: FF2 this time
[03:05] <archangel_> actually I want presenter, but NOTHING in office workes
[03:05] <smashly> hey lucas__ I'm new to kubuntu, is fiesty 7.04
[03:05] <abattoir> archangel_: oh, that's not the way how you launch it
[03:05] <fdoving> Contrast: glad it works for you :)
[03:05] <abattoir> archangel_: try oopresenter instead
[03:05] <archangel_> it just happend I'm sure its cause I just updated
[03:06] <archangel_> ohh ok
[03:06] <lucas__> smashly: yeah take care it's a beta
[03:06] <lucas__> smashly: AND it knows sme troubles these days with updates
[03:06] <archangel_> bash: oopresenter: command not found
[03:06] <smashly> only playing
[03:06] <lucas__> So don't try to stay on the edge
[03:07] <abattoir> oh, i think it's ooimpress :P
[03:07] <abattoir> archangel_: ^^
[03:07] <archangel_> lol
[03:07] <cntb-guest> abattoir: tis a flshplugin game in ff2 so I guess systemwide non-unicode display is needed here
[03:08] <trojkolka> does feisty support multiple display screens? because everytime i want to clone my desktop/screen to my tv my screen turns in to a black and white patchwork and quilting pattern and i need to reboot to get my desktop back
[03:08] <archangel_> wow I will need to use paste bin for this
[03:08] <sioux> so what's best kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:08] <trojkolka> it depends if you prefer gnome or kde
[03:09] <archangel_> your asking that in HERE?
[03:09] <lucas__> trojkolka: There is no tols to configure your dual screen setting
[03:09] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15560/
[03:09] <trojkolka> ah thanks lucas__
[03:10] <sioux> well KDE has much more desktop personalization than gnome but ubuntu seems much stable and program runs better expecially 3D desktop
[03:10] <abattoir> archangel_: you can safely ignore the errors upto line 10... line 13 seems to be it
[03:12] <trojkolka> everytime when i do dist-upgrade i got some message about reading madm or initramfs is this fixable it just popped up a couple days ago before that i have never seen this message about it
[03:12] <archangel_> how can I fix it?
[03:12] <lucas__> trojkolka: But you can configure manually your xorg.conf
[03:12] <lucas__> to enable dual screen
[03:12] <abattoir> archangel_: ati card?
[03:12] <abattoir> archangel_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=200567
[03:13] <archangel_> nvidia
[03:13] <trojkolka> okay i will google it up xorg.conf enable dual screen (i made a note of it)
[03:14] <dettoaltrimenti> what is the terminal command to see what hardware you have on your computer? I can't seem to burn cds or dvds and I think it's because I have a combo drive and it's not being recognized properly
[03:14] <lucas__> trojkolka: The serverlayout is the section in xorg.conf that configure how you arrange your screens
[03:14] <MarcoPau> lucas__: ok I read your interfaces... would you know how to sort of share the eth cards as if they were the same? I mean as if a switch was used instead of more eth ports
[03:15] <MarcoPau> each one with a different ip
[03:16] <abattoir> archangel_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/63676 too, but almost all of them are problems w/ fglrx/ati
[03:17] <dromer> !fourcc
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fourcc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:17] <archangel_> thanks
[03:18] <dromer> hmm, does anybody know how I could get the fourcc-codecs installod on my machine?
[03:18] <dromer> according to this list: http://www.freecodec.net/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1&page=2  it contains the MVDV (Midvid) cedoc that I really need installed
[03:19] <ubuntu> hola
[03:20] <ubuntu> spanish
[03:20] <abattoir> !es | ubuntu
[03:20] <ubotu> ubuntu: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:22] <trojkolka> everytime when i do dist-upgrade i got some message about reading madm or initramfs is this fixable it just popped up a couple days ago before that i have never seen this message about it
[03:22] <woland_> hi, why does apt keep installing restricted-modules for a kernel i have since upgraded
[03:23] <abattoir> woland_: did you remove the old kernel?
[03:23] <woland_> it tries to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23 whereas i am running .*-28
[03:23] <abattoir> trojkolka: no idea, but i got the same a while ago too
[03:24] <trojkolka> you still have the message abattoir?
[03:25] <N0Lif3> What kind of upload speed to you think is required to stream a 200MB video file across the net? I've tried it at 40KBytes/s through FTP and it didn't work.
[03:25] <woland_> abattoir, yes - but nvidia-glx reinstalls the old version
[03:26] <Daisuke_Ido> streaming over ftp?
[03:26] <Daisuke_Ido> and it all depends on what that 200mb is, bitrate and such
[03:26] <abattoir> trojkolka: sorry, no, i closed that tab
[03:27] <Daisuke_Ido> a 10 minute 200mb HD clip isn't going to stream well, but a 200mb 30 minute tv episode would probably work substantially better
[03:27] <woland_> abattoir, even when i uncomment universe
[03:27] <N0Lif3> Daisuke_Ido: Yeah, I got an ftp server running on my linux machine, and I was able to connect to it with my laptop (Konqueror browser) and when I tried just opening it in xine I got nothing but black
[03:28] <trojkolka> abattoir imean when you do it when you got updates to install do you still got that madm initramfs messga when you upgrade
[03:28] <trojkolka> or did the message disappear again
[03:29] <trojkolka> do i have to worry about the message anyways or is it just a not important message?
[03:29] <trojkolka> i read it had something to do with RAID but i dont think my laptop has RAID
[03:29] <abattoir> trojkolka: i got that when i was trying something else, which called update-initramfs, i'm upgrading to current feisty now, i'll tell you if/when i get that error
[03:30] <woland_> i don't know why when you're promoted to install kernels which doesn't support other packages you have installed
[03:30] <abattoir> trojkolka: me too, no RAID here either
[03:30] <trojkolka> ah ok thanks abattoir
[03:30] <woland_> i'm now having to downgrade the kernel just to use a prepackaged kernel-module package
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> if you're going to go through ftp, you'll have to download it first.  there are software packages that will allow you to do video streaming, but i don't know the names right off hand.  icenterx, i believe
[03:31] <abattoir> woland_: i don't think nvidia-glx is in universe, seems to be restricted
[03:32] <woland_> abattoir, i installed it without modifying sources using adept
[03:32] <abattoir> woland_: from what i can see, it depends on 'linux-restricted-modules-common' , which i assume is a metapackage, not on a particular version
[03:33] <trojkolka> this is the message i'm talking about actually: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-15-386 W: mdadm: unchecked configuration file: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf W: mdadm: please read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.upgrading-2.5.3.gz .
[03:33] <trojkolka> W: mdadm: no arrays defined in configuration file.W: mdadm: falling back to emergency procedure in initramfs.
[03:33] <abattoir> trojkolka: yeah, i'm pretty sure i got the same thing too
[03:34] <abattoir> but it continued fine after that
[03:34] <woland_> abattoir, why was i prompted to install a kernel version which broke my X setup? i'm deliberatly using the graphical tools without editting any advanced options
[03:34] <Ahmuck> kubuntu login is looping on me.  any ideas ?
[03:34] <trojkolka> ah okay... yeah same here it isn't an obstruction i just think it is a weird message that poppud up from one to the other day
[03:35] <abattoir> woland_: using edgy?
[03:35] <woland_> abattoir, dapper
[03:35] <abattoir> woland_: ok...
[03:35] <angasule> the XF86MyComputer and XF86Mail keys in my keyboard seem to be hardwired to konqueror and kmail, why?? I can't find a way of changing them to something else
[03:36] <woland_> abattoir, sorry, i thought the LTS suggested stuff was testing thoroughly before release/updates
[03:37] <pharsalus> Can any program for Kubuntu use .srt subtitles?
[03:37] <abattoir> woland_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/x11/nvidia-glx ...seems to be built from -28
[03:37] <abattoir> pharsalus: i think kaffeine does
[03:37] <trojkolka> pharsalus VLC can do the trick i assume
[03:37] <woland_> abattoir, they why - when running the -28 kernel - does it require the -23 one?
[03:38] <woland_> abattoir, despite -23 not being installed
[03:38] <abattoir> pharsalus: are you sure you have 'restricted' enabled? and that it's up-to-date?
[03:38] <abattoir> woland_:  are you sure you have 'restricted' enabled? and that it's up-to-date?
[03:39] <woland_> abattoir, i don't, which is why i'm unsure the -28 kernel was installed when i have packages depending on -23
[03:40] <abattoir> woland_: my guess is, -28 is installed from main, but you have nvidia-glx already installed, since you don't have restricted now, it doesn't pull down the new version
[03:40] <MetaMorfoziS> is there an app that can test how my hdd fast? hdparm -tT says "Timing buffered disk reads:  222 MB in  3.00 seconds =  73.97 MB/sec" i think it's false. I don't think my hdd fast as this says.
[03:41] <abattoir> woland_: because nvidia-glx is from restricted
[03:44] <woland_> i don't understand why i was allowed to install nvidia without enabling restricted
[03:46] <abattoir> woland_: were the other repositories already enabled for you post-installation? or did you have to do that manually?
[03:46] <woland_> i had to do it
[03:47] <Erunno> Good afternoon. Does anybody else have problems connecting to WPA2 networks after upgrading to Feisty ?
[03:47] <abattoir> woland_: iirc, for dapper, if you did an offline installation, repositories weren't enabled, so you have to do that manually, that doesn't mean software from those repos weren't install
[03:48] <abattoir> woland_: for example, the kernel was from 'main', and installed but you still had to enable that repo
[03:49] <Erunno> Or is there an alternative to NetworkManager ?
[03:51] <domifer> hey, anyone feel like helping a linux nub with a question about screen resolutions?
[03:52] <woland_> abattoir, would it be worth doing a dist-upgrade?
[03:52] <xtavaresx> domifer, dont ask to ask, just ask
[03:53] <domifer> ok, well I just installed kubuntu and the screen res is default.. if I try to up it to 1280x800, it shows up all scrambled
[03:53] <Ahmuck> is it safe to rm -rf .kde
[03:53] <abattoir> woland_: didn't you do that? i though nvidia-glx was the only old package, and hence brought down the older kernel
[03:53] <Ahmuck> domifer: sup
[03:53] <xtavaresx> domifer what graphics card you have?
[03:53] <domifer> on a laptop with ati radeon mobility 9700
[03:54] <Ahmuck> mifer: does your video card/monitor support 1280x800
[03:54] <domifer> yea, that's what it's made for
[03:54] <abattoir> Ahmuck: the channel title in #kde specifically used to say one should not do that, but many say it doesn't cause harm, so i guess it's better not to
[03:54] <Ahmuck> abattoir: my problem is, kdm loops at the login prompt
[03:55] <Ahmuck> so i wondered if removing .kde would fix this
[03:55] <abattoir> Ahmuck: which version?
[03:55] <abattoir> of k/ubuntu?
[03:55] <xtavaresx> domifer, do you have the most up to date proprietry ati drivers?
[03:55] <Ahmuck> 6.16
[03:55] <woland_> abattoir, i'be just been using update/upgrade - i was considering updating from dapper using dist-upgrade but i've heard it can be unreliable
[03:55] <domifer> absolutely not =p
[03:55] <abattoir> Ahmuck: i think you mean 6.06
[03:56] <xtavaresx> domifer then that is what you should do first. get the proprietry driver from ATI
[03:56] <domifer> just installed kubuntu, and I know very little about what I'm actually doing
[03:56] <Ahmuck> i had a problem with screen resolutions so i apt-get remove kde, xserver-xorg, etc and then install kde, xserver-xorg
[03:56] <Ahmuck> abattoir: yes, i meant edgy
[03:56] <domifer> used linux before in the past, but it was too long ago for me to remember anything useful
[03:56] <abattoir> woland_: yeah, the upgrade process is not very straightforward, but if you follow this guide, it should be smooth
[03:56] <xtavaresx> ahmuck, that sounds a little bit too drastic
[03:56] <abattoir> !upgrade | woland_
[03:56] <ubotu> woland_: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:57] <Ahmuck> xtavaresx: yes, well, i did not know i had a live cd to use
[03:57] <Ahmuck> xtavaresx: so i was doing drastic things
[03:57] <Ahmuck> anyhow, i got a login prompt back, but it just loops
[03:57] <Ahmuck> er, a gui login prompt back
[03:58] <woland_> thanks abattoir
[03:58] <xtavaresx> what do you mena by loops?
[03:58] <DexterF> hi
[03:58] <abattoir> woland_: no problem
[03:58] <DexterF> is there a preview live cd of 7.04?
[03:58] <Ahmuck> type in login/password, it works for a second, flickers, ubuntu timer goes around and then dumps back to kdm
[03:58] <xtavaresx> i see.
[03:59] <Ahmuck> so it never starts the session for the user
[03:59] <Ahmuck> i'v experienced this once before ... and iirc, there was some setting i had to reset ... something related to password security
[04:00] <abattoir> Ahmuck: is it up-to-date edgy?
[04:00] <xtavaresx> ahmuck, im sorry, i cant think of anything. i dont think youve broken x, or kdm wouldnt start.
[04:00] <xtavaresx> when did this begin? is it a frsh install?
[04:02] <Ahmuck> abattoir: yes
[04:02] <Ahmuck> xtavaresx: it's not a fresh install
[04:02] <xtavaresx> what did you change just before this happened?
[04:02] <Ahmuck> the monitor resolution
[04:03] <Ahmuck> it would not change back.  740x400 not supported
[04:03] <Ahmuck> it's confusing to me
[04:03] <xtavaresx> ahmuck
[04:03] <xtavaresx> i know wht you need to do.
[04:04] <Ahmuck> really ? that would be nice
[04:04] <Ahmuck> as i am stuck
[04:04] <xtavaresx> ahmuck, from kdm login to a terminal session then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[04:05] <Ahmuck> what does the -phigh do ?
[04:05] <xtavaresx> priority high
[04:05] <xtavaresx> its in the man page.
[04:05] <Ahmuck> i did run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ealier, that is how i got xserver back
[04:06] <xtavaresx> i see.
[04:06] <Ahmuck> i thought it may have something to do with authentitication of login/passwd and PAM, but i don't recall
[04:07] <xtavaresx> i see. what i might do then (ahmuck) is manually go in and have a look at my xorg file and remove some options
[04:08] <Ricky> My ndiswrapper seems to be messing up... My wireless card will work for a minute or two after starting up my computer, and then it will just stop working and not connect to APs and not even see them in a scan. I am currently on ethernet. I read that someone had the same problem but fixed it by upgrading to ndiswrapper "2.9" but I don't see a 2.9 on the sourceforge page. What do I do?
[04:08] <xtavaresx> i belive its in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:08] <Ahmuck> xtavaresx: yes
[04:08] <xtavaresx> i would remove some resolutions
[04:09] <xtavaresx> i had a similar problem to you when i played with beryl/compiz
[04:09] <Ricky> Wow, that's weird because I installed beryl and thought it might be the problem
[04:09] <Ricky> but then... did you find a solution?
[04:09] <xtavaresx> sorry ricky, i was adressing ahmuck.
[04:09] <Ricky> oh lol
[04:10] <xtavaresx> ricky, i dont know anything about ndiswrapper, no way to run wireless natively?
[04:10] <Ricky> Nope, Kubuntu doesn't detect my wireless adapter.
[04:10] <Ricky> Perhaps I will try MadWiFi
[04:10] <xtavaresx> do you have restricted modules installed?
[04:11] <xtavaresx> Ricky, it took me a while to get my wirelss working, what chipset do you have?
[04:11] <Ricky> Broadcom
[04:11] <xtavaresx> ricky restricted modules?
[04:12] <Ricky> ? (sorry I'm kinda new to Kubuntu)
[04:12] <xtavaresx> ok. i think linux supports your chipset natively, but you need to install the linux restricted moduls.
[04:12] <xtavaresx> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[04:13] <xtavaresx> i think the name has something else at the end, depending on your architecture.
[04:13] <xtavaresx> ricky, adept has it. choose the generic one
[04:13] <Ricky> ok
[04:13] <Ricky> except that my adept keeps crashing right now :S
[04:14] <MetaMorfoziS> isthere anybody running kubuntu from pendrive?
[04:14] <xtavaresx> ok, do it from a terminal sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[04:14] <Ricky> ah, I got it started
[04:14] <xtavaresx> ahmuck still there?
[04:15] <Ricky> it is already installed
[04:15] <xtavaresx> ok. what is your architecture?
[04:15] <Ricky> i386 or 32-bit
[04:15] <Ricky> I guess "i386" is the architecture?
[04:16] <xtavaresx> ok.
[04:16] <Ahmuck> xtavaresx: yes
[04:16] <xtavaresx> ahmuck: any luck yet?
[04:17] <Ahmuck> nope
[04:18] <Ahmuck> i have to reboot to see if it works
[04:18] <xtavaresx> ricky, also install linux-resticted-modules-common and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-11-generic and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-11-386 and linux-restricted-modules-386
[04:19] <xtavaresx> i am pretty sure (ricky) that your wireless support will then be enabled
[04:20] <Ahmuck> xtavaresx: what i think i will do is create a dummy user that has no .* files and see if i can log in as a new user, if i can, the problem would be located in the user directory
[04:20] <xtavaresx> that is a good strategy
[04:20] <Ricky> linux-restricted-modules-386 is not installed, so that could be it
[04:20] <xtavaresx> ricky, the others i mentioned were?
[04:20] <Ricky> yeah
[04:20] <xtavaresx> give it a try, then try to run kwifimanger
[04:20] <Ricky> oh, and also 2.6...-386 is not installed
[04:21] <xtavaresx> ricky, if it works let me know. by the way, madwifi is in one of those module
[04:21] <Ricky> but one thing... this guy has the same problem and says a kernel upgrade fixed it... how can i check my kernel version? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/16963
[04:22] <xtavaresx> well i am on 2.6.11-17, you can check in kcontrol
[04:23] <Ricky> it says Release: 2.6.17-11-generic
[04:23] <Ricky> and it says Machine:i686 - does that mean I'm NOT on 386??
[04:23] <xtavaresx> install the i686 modules too
[04:24] <frojnd> any similar program to LC5 or saminside, but for linux??
[04:24] <angasule> I can't remap some of the multimedia keys, can anyone help?
[04:27] <soon> Hi Folks - I've installed the NFS server on both my laptop and desktop and in System Settings / Sharing added my home folder Shared Folders on both machines (NFS only, not SAMBA)
[04:28] <Ricky> how do I uninstall ndiswrapper and related features, so that it doesn't conflict with the restricted modules package?
[04:28] <soon> What should I do now to access my /home/soon on one machine from the other ?
[04:29] <angasule> I can't remap some of the multimedia keys, can anyone help?
[04:29] <Ricky> well I uninstalled ndiswrapper, restarting.
[04:31] <Ginja_Ninja> hi. How can i get kubuntu to enforce "file locking" ?
[04:32] <cheeseboy> whats command to configure xorg?
[04:32] <Ginja_Ninja> X -configure i think (please check before using)
[04:33] <cheeseboy> thats for auto config
[04:33] <cheeseboy> isnt it?
[04:33] <abattoir> cheeseboy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:34] <Ginja_Ninja> yer, i have used it for my nvidia card. This is the first bit of help i have given, i am not a linux guru.
[04:34] <soon> cheeseboy ... depends on your graphics card, whether you use ATI, nvidia, proprietary driver og open source driver ...
[04:35] <cheeseboy> nvidia but there used to be thing to reconfigure xorg to select driver and stuff
[04:37] <soon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Video
[04:38] <Ginja_Ninja> hi all. Is there a way to turn on file locking ?
[04:38] <soon> what do you mean file locking?
[04:38] <Sanne> hi
[04:38] <soon> He
[04:38] <soon> hej
[04:39] <Ginja_Ninja> soon: Only one user can write to a file at a time.
[04:39] <cheeseboy> Dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:39] <cheeseboy> that was it
[04:40] <soon> Ginja_Ninja ... never heard of that. Obviously you can change user and priviledges on a file, but thats not what youre after i suspect
[04:41] <Ginja_Ninja> soon: Thanks but no. I thought as linux is a multi-user system there would be prevention of 2 people editing the same file at the same time. I has disastrous conciquences
[04:41] <Ginja_Ninja> Thought it would be standard
[04:42] <soon> It could very well be - I've just never come across the need for it ....
[04:42] <soon> hence never read about it
[04:42] <Ginja_Ninja> thats a fair one
[04:42] <Ginja_Ninja> :)
[04:42] <Sanne> Ginja_Ninja: they won't be able to do that usually. A user has only access to his/her own files. Unless you are superuser, you cannot write to files from another user.
[04:42] <Ginja_Ninja> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking#File_locking_in_UNIX
[04:43] <Ginja_Ninja> Sanne: Good point well phased. However i am making a "shared" folder were antbody from the group "share" can read/write/delete anybody's files.
[04:44] <Sanne> Ginja_Ninja: ah, yes, then sonme sort of file locking would need to be implemented.
[04:44] <alex_> gg
[04:44] <Ginja_Ninja> Sanne: indeed
[04:45] <Ginja_Ninja> any experiences?
[04:45] <n4zgul> hello friends, someone can help me? i already installed w32codecs and the package ubuntu restricted extras, but  when i try to play avi files on kaffeine the video gets all dizzy
[04:46] <Sanne> Ginja_Ninja: not really. I remember seeing some applications do that, but I never heard about a system in a situation like yours... save, well, version control systems maybe? CVS and SVN?
[04:46] <Ginja_Ninja> Sanne: hmm i like your thinking
[04:51] <coreymon77> hi guys
[04:51] <coreymon77> i need help
[04:51] <dettoaltrimenti> how do I create an iso from a dvd?
[04:51] <coreymon77> i burned a cdrw with k3b a little while ago
[04:52] <coreymon77> and now i want to add a file to the cdrw but still keep all the others
[04:52] <coreymon77> how do i do that
[04:53] <russ_> licketh thine sweating ring of pleasure
[04:53] <abattoir> coreymon77: did you close the session when you burn it the first time?
[04:53] <coreymon77> dont think so
[04:53] <coreymon77> its a cdrw
[04:53] <russ_> oh god you retard
[04:54] <coreymon77> they support multisession anyways
[04:54] <russ_> it doesnt matter if its a cdrw
[04:54] <Sanne> dettoaltrimenti: I would use dd, like here: http://www.arsgeek.com/?p=534
[04:54] <russ_> you can still close the fucking session
[04:54] <russ_> wtf
[04:54] <PriceChild> !ohmy | russ_
[04:54] <coreymon77> i dont think i did in the first place
[04:54] <ubotu> russ_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:54] <abattoir> coreymon77: then all you have to do is import the previous session
[04:54] <russ_> lol
[04:54] <coreymon77> but arent cdrws multisession capable
[04:55] <octo> does anyone think that Gimp would be faster manipulating larger picture files running as 64 bit than 32 bit, if possible?
[04:55] <russ_> oh god. listen to what your being told
[04:55] <russ_> lol
[04:55] <abattoir> coreymon77: in k3b, Projects->Import Session
[04:55] <octo> if there is a 64 bit ver  of Gimp?
[04:55] <coreymon77> tried that
[04:55] <PriceChild> !coc | russ_
[04:55] <ubotu> russ_: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:55] <abattoir> coreymon77: they are capable, but i think you can close sessions as well... not entirely sure
[04:56] <Sanne> octo: I would think it would be faster. I'm using Gimp on Dapper amd64, works fine. I have no comparison to 32 bit, though.
[04:57] <coreymon77> abattoir: i tried doing that, added the file, tried to burn, but it gives me this error
[04:57] <coreymon77> abattoir: could not determine size of resulting image file
[04:57] <Sanne> dettoaltrimenti: btw, you can find out more about dd by typing: man dd
[04:57] <octo> Sanne: thanks
[04:58] <Sanne> octo: you're welcome
[04:58] <coreymon77> abattoir: what does that mean
[04:59] <dettoaltrimenti> thanks sanne
[04:59] <Sanne> dettoaltrimenti: you're welcome
[04:59] <abattoir> coreymon77: sorry, don't know what that specifically means, maybe someone at #k3b can help, but one guess is that you closed that session, and you can't continue it
[05:00] <coreymon77> abattoir: meaning that i cant add files?
[05:00] <abattoir> coreymon77: i think so, yes
[05:00] <abattoir> coreymon77: in the 'Burn Properties' dialog, you can choose whether you want to start a multisession disc, close the session etc.
[05:01] <ewgeni90> hello
[05:03] <icecruncher> !apt > icecruncher
[05:03] <jhutchins> coreymon77: No, you cannot add files to a session once you have closed it.
[05:04] <ewgeni90> why the  "Translucency" no active?
[05:04] <cashvalentine^^> where is the ubuntu-server-guide located?
[05:04] <jhutchins> cashvalentine^^: Google says it's at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html
[05:04] <icecruncher> my repo's is locked, what to do?
[05:05] <jhutchins> !adeptfix
[05:05] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:05] <cashvalentine^^> jhutchins: i mean on my system after i installed it with adept!?
[05:06] <abattoir> cashvalentine^^: try F1
[05:06] <jhutchins> cashvalentine^^: 1) Are you using sudo? 2) Is another program like the updater running?  3) Did you TRY what's in the factoid?
[05:06] <abattoir> cashvalentine^^: should be on the left pane
[05:07] <icecruncher> thanks jhutchins
[05:07] <Sephnroth> ello, does edgy come with the pci wifi driver included for kubuntu? (rt2500 iirc)
[05:07] <cashvalentine^^> REAL freaking bizarre ==> I install the "ubuntu-server-guide", but it is NOWHERE to be found in the KDDE help gadget.
[05:07] <coreymon77> another question
[05:07] <abattoir> cashvalentine^^: or maybe it doesn't go there, wait a sec :P
[05:08] <ewgeni90> why the  "Translucency" no active?
[05:08] <ewgeni90> why the  "Translucency" no active?
[05:08] <Sephnroth> I introduced my friend to kubuntu and he uses wifi and his card is giving him serious troubles.  im sshed into his system atm and rt2500 is not under "lsmod" - according to ubuntu wiki these later versions should support things by default however
[05:08] <coreymon77> does k3b have the option to create an iso file out of what is already on the disc?
[05:08] <cashvalentine^^> looking at the "installed files" section in Adept, I see it's all dumped into /usr/share/ubuntu-serverguide
[05:08] <ewgeni90> why the  "Translucency" no active?
[05:08] <ewgeni90> why the  "Translucency" no active?
[05:08] <cashvalentine^^> So, does ubuntu expect us to go rooting around on the $#%$#%#$%#$% hard drive to find its own documentation?
[05:09] <cashvalentine^^> Why can't they just link it into the KDE help regime?  WTF ???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[05:09] <ewgeni90> why the  "Translucency" no active?
[05:09] <abattoir> cashvalentine^^: actually it's under Kubuntu Documents -> Ubuntu server guide
[05:09] <abattoir> ewgeni90: please don't do that
[05:09] <abattoir> ewgeni90: what do you mean exactly?
[05:10] <cashvalentine^^> abattoir: not one mine!
[05:10] <cashvalentine^^> damn
[05:10] <cashvalentine^^> how do i do screenshot to show you all
[05:10] <cashvalentine^^> got it, where's that binary upload share site
[05:11] <abattoir> cashvalentine^^: Print Screen(which calls ksnapshot), but ok, i believe you
[05:11] <n4zgul> hello friends, someone can help me? i already installed w32codecs and the package ubuntu restricted extras, but  when i try to play avi files on kaffeine the video gets all dizzy
[05:11] <ewgeni90> i have error in my kubuntu ,i want to install translucency and it is dont want active
[05:11] <cashvalentine^^> can't remember
[05:11] <abattoir> cashvalentine^^: imageshack.us
[05:11] <abattoir> ewgeni90: which version of ubuntu are you using?
[05:12] <cashvalentine^^> abattoir: nope. i wuz here the other day and they had upload a gob of shit to some ubuntu site
[05:12] <ewgeni90> i using the Kubuntu 6.06 LTS
[05:12] <abattoir> cashvalentine^^: should have been http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org then
[05:12] <abattoir> cashvalentine^^: you can put it up anywhere
[05:12] <Sephnroth> need help compilg rt2500 :/
[05:12] <cashvalentine^^> that's it. thanks
[05:13] <abattoir> ewgeni90: you want to enable Compositing in X right?
[05:13] <ewgeni90> yes
[05:13] <fdoving> Sephnroth: you don't need to compile it, it's already compiled.
[05:13] <abattoir> ewgeni90: run 'kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[05:14] <abattoir> hi fdoving
[05:14] <Sephnroth> thats what i figured, but rt2500.ko is not visiable under lsmod
[05:14] <Sephnroth> and my friend cant make his wireless pci card work at all
[05:14] <fdoving> hi abattoir :)
[05:14] <PriceChild>  Sephnroth rt2500 works out of the box
[05:14] <fdoving> Sephnroth: that's because it's not loaded. try 'sudo modprobe rt2500' from a konsole then check lsmod again.
[05:14] <Sephnroth> under /etc/network/interfaces there is no stanxa beging with ra0
[05:14] <Sephnroth> k
[05:16] <ewgeni90> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Major opcode:  145
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:16] <ewgeni90> Failed to open device
[05:16] <ewgeni90> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Major opcode:  145
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:16] <ewgeni90> Failed to open device
[05:16] <ewgeni90> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:16] <abattoir> ewgeni90: please don't paste that here
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Major opcode:  145
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:16] <ewgeni90> Failed to open device
[05:16] <ewgeni90> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:16] <Sephnroth> ok good its there, but im expecting ra0 to be in the ethernet interfaces, but it isnt - there is eth1 which under the stanza has an wireless=essid field which i presume he set
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Major opcode:  145
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:16] <ewgeni90> Failed to open device
[05:16] <ewgeni90> Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"
[05:16] <ewgeni90> Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
[05:16] <ewgeni90> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Major opcode:  145
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:16] <ewgeni90> Failed to open device
[05:16] <ewgeni90> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Major opcode:  145
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:16] <ewgeni90>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:16] <ewgeni90> Failed to open device
[05:16] <ewgeni90> kbuildsycoca running...
[05:16] <ewgeni90> ScimInputContextPlugin()
[05:17] <ewgeni90> kate: WARNING: Can't open /root/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
[05:17] <ewgeni90> oops
[05:17] <Sephnroth> yeah, oops ;)
[05:17] <abattoir> ewgeni90: next time please use pastebin
[05:17] <fdoving> very oops :)
[05:17] <abattoir> !paste | ewgeni90
[05:17] <ubotu> ewgeni90: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:17] <Sephnroth> did you catch my message, fdoving?
[05:17] <jhutchins> ewgeni90: You are very lucky your freenode server is under a very light load this morning.
[05:17] <abattoir> ewgeni90: kate has opened up?
[05:17] <ewgeni90> yes
[05:18] <fdoving> Sephnroth: yes, you can change that in /etc/iftab
[05:18] <Sephnroth> incidently its not my pc im configuring, im using ssh to try and help my mate with his
[05:18] <abattoir> ewgeni90: scroll to the bottom of that file, append the text in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15594/ and then save it
[05:18] <Sephnroth> and i dont have wireless on my pc so im not used to this
[05:18] <Sephnroth> might need a bit of hand holding
[05:18] <abattoir> ewgeni90: restart X, and compositing should be on(that's what the error message when you start KDE asks you to do)
[05:18] <Sephnroth> iftab contains:
[05:18] <Sephnroth> eth0 mac 00:4f:49:04:40:e2 arp 1
[05:18] <Sephnroth> eth1 mac 00:0c:41:61:d6:48 arp 1
[05:19] <fdoving> Sephnroth: one of them is the wireless device no?
[05:19] <fdoving> Sephnroth: you can just replace eth1 with ra0 if you know that's the wireless device.
[05:19] <Sephnroth> i imagine so, but i best double check he only has the 2 cards, one ethernet and the other wireless
[05:20] <francesco_> hi
[05:20] <fdoving> Sephnroth: you can use 'lshw -short|grep eth1'
[05:21] <francesco_> i have problem using eclipse on kubuntu
[05:21] <francesco_> eclipse crashing!
[05:21] <Aikurn> I have a problem with feisty's latest kernel. dmesg shows "ata2.01: n_sectors mismatch 150994954 != 156301488"
[05:21] <francesco_> have 64bit intel centrino core 2
[05:22] <francesco_> hp nootbook
[05:22] <ewgeni90> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15595/
[05:22] <fdoving> Aikurn: report that to #ubuntu-kernel
[05:22] <ewgeni90> i pasted this there
[05:22] <Aikurn> ok
[05:23] <francesco_> JVM terminated. Exit code=127
[05:23] <francesco_> /usr/bin/java
[05:23] <francesco_> -Xms40m
[05:23] <francesco_> -Xmx256m
[05:23] <francesco_> -jar /home/francesco/.local/share/Trash/files/eclipse/./startup.jar
[05:23] <francesco_> -os linux
[05:23] <francesco_> -ws gtk
[05:23] <francesco_> -arch x86_64
[05:23] <francesco_> -launcher /home/francesco/.local/share/Trash/files/eclipse/./eclipse
[05:23] <francesco_> -name Eclipse
[05:24] <fdoving> hum.. mute didn't work.
 i have a problem with my screen?
[05:25] <angasule_> please, oh, please, can someone tell me why some multimedia keys seem to be hardcoded??
[05:25] <abattoir> ewgeni90: what happens?
[05:26] <ewgeni90> i copied this there :   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15595/
[05:27] <jhutchins> ewgeni90: Doesn't tell us what happens.  We all have xorg.conf files.
[05:27] <Sephnroth> fdoving, do i replace eth1 with ra0 in both iftab and network/interfaces ?
[05:28] <fdoving> Sephnroth: yes, in /etc/iftab you rename the device, so all eth1 entries needs to be replaced with ra0 elsewhere.
[05:28] <alex_> ,
[05:28] <Sephnroth> anywhere else except interfaces that its going to change that i need to be careful of?
[05:28] <ewgeni90> i use kubuntu 1-2 months
[05:28] <ewgeni90> i am  "new" in linux
[05:28] <fdoving> Sephnroth: you will probably need to 'sudo ifconfig eth1 down;sudo rmmod rt2500;sudo modprobe rt2500' for it to be renamed.
[05:29] <Sephnroth> tell you what, does this even make a difference or is it fine as eth1?
[05:29] <abattoir> ewgeni90: i asked you to add the contents of the link that i gave you to the bottom of that file
[05:29] <fdoving> Sephnroth: no. /etc/network/interfaces is the one.. if you don't use any networkmanager, and the network-manager doesn't work well with rt2500 cards anyway.. so yes. /etc/network/interfaces
[05:29] <fdoving> Sephnroth: it's fine as eth1
[05:29] <fdoving> Sephnroth: it's just a name.
[05:30] <abattoir> ewgeni90: the file that you pasted is the configuration for the X server. we need to enable compositing in X for translucency to work, and that option does that.
[05:30] <Sephnroth> k
[05:30] <abattoir> ewgeni90: are you experiencing any problems now?
[05:30] <ewgeni90> no
[05:30] <abattoir> ewgeni90: what did you mean by 'i have a problem with my screen?'
[05:30] <abattoir> ewgeni90: were you asking me or telling me?
[05:31] <abattoir> oh, ok, then it's all good
[05:31] <ewgeni90> i am asking
[05:31] <abattoir> ewgeni90: oh ok, you don't, hope what i said above clarified what we did
[05:32] <ewgeni90> ok
[05:32] <ewgeni90> do you know russian language?
[05:33] <jkjk> Does anyone know of a truecrypt deb file for feisty ?
[05:35] <jhutchins> jkjk: Feisty is still in #ubuntu+1
[05:35] <jhutchins> !find truecrypt | jkjk
[05:35] <ubotu> jkjk: Package/file truecrypt does not exist in edgy
[05:35] <soulrider_> !xorg
[05:35] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:35] <jkjk> jhutchins: ok thanks
[05:35] <jhutchins> !find truecrypt feisty | jkjk
[05:35] <ubotu> jkjk: Package/file truecrypt does not exist in feisty
[05:36] <adim_> hi
[05:37] <Sephnroth> fdoving: im following the ubuntu wiki in part, your advice and my own head a bit.  im trying to write the configuration lines in /etc/network/interfaces properly.  the wiki does not list for a wep configuration, only WPA (for wep it talks about a config util that i have no idea how to access through kde (its talking gnome) even if i could, which i cant through ssh)
[05:38] <Sephnroth> so now im wondering what gvalues to set for: pre-up iwpriv eth1 set AuthMode=WPAPSK
[05:38] <Sephnroth> EncrypType and WPASK
[05:38] <fdoving> Sephnroth: it's easier for WEP.
[05:38] <Black_Monkey> does anyone have any idea how to fix this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2451687 ? I'm having problems mounting anything :/
[05:39] <jhutchins> Sephnroth: You probably need a package called wpasupplicant
[05:39] <Sephnroth> well, when i opened the interfaces file there was 3 lines for the wireless card, simply:
[05:39] <Sephnroth> auto eth1
[05:39] <Sephnroth> iface eth1 inet dchp
[05:39] <Sephnroth> wireless-essid (hisid)
[05:40] <Sephnroth> i've left them as they are and added pre-up ifconfig eth1 up, pre-up ifconfig eth1 down, pre-up ifconfig eth1 up, pre-up ifconfig eth1 down, pre-up iwconfig eth1 essid "hisid"
[05:40] <Sephnroth> as per the wiki listing
[05:40] <fdoving> Sephnroth: try this: http://rafb.net/p/lIeAWp29.html
[05:40] <Sephnroth> (though why up and down twice)
[05:40] <fdoving> Sephnroth: you don't want all those pre-up and down things.
[05:41] <Sephnroth> shall i kill all the pre-up lines?
[05:41] <Bebemycat2> Sorry is this is a dumb question, but can KDE run gnome specific software?
[05:41] <PriceChild> Bebemycat2, yes
[05:41] <Bebemycat2> Thank you
[05:41] <Sephnroth> as a side note, why the hell is VI acting so dumb through ssh?  its not how im used to at all, im used to using escape to switch between editing modes and arrow keys should always move the cursor and backspace delete.. now i need to press i to add text, arrowkeys add random text
[05:42] <Sephnroth> backspace moves the cursor back but doesnt delete text, NOTHING seems to want to delete a line leaving white space everywhere
[05:42] <jhutchins> Sephnroth: Known bug.  You can work it out with termcap entries in the vi configuration, or just live with it.
[05:42] <Sephnroth> i'll live with it for now
[05:42] <Sephnroth> just as long as its not me messing it up ;)
[05:43] <Sephnroth> so delete ALL the lines begining with pre-up - add your lines, unload the module and reload it?
[05:43] <jhutchins> Ok, knetworkmanager is actually _clearing_ the configuration on my wireless card.
[05:44] <yo> hey does Azureus work on kubuntu?
[05:44] <MaDiNfO_> sure
[05:44] <yo> any dependencies or libraries i need?
[05:44] <jhutchins> Ah, I guess it's clearing it after it fails to connect.
[05:44] <yo> i got it through synaptic
[05:45] <jhutchins> yo: The apt system automatically installs dependencies.
[05:45] <jhutchins> yo: Why not just try it?
[05:45] <yo> i thought so...but it still doesn't work
[05:45] <ewgeni90_kubuntu> i go
[05:45] <ewgeni90_kubuntu> good bye
[05:45] <yo> it just doesn't run...it opens azureus...i guess cuz i have an azureus error on the bottom of my screen that doesnt go away
[05:46] <Black_Monkey> where is the message bus configuration file? :/
[05:46] <jhutchins> !doesn't work
[05:46] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[05:46] <yo> ok:
[05:46] <yo> Warning: Azureus did not shotdown tidily check blabla
[05:46] <yo> i have no gui whatsoever
[05:46] <jhutchins> yo: So check blabla.
[05:46] <yo> and the bottom right side of my 'panel' thing is hidden by this message
[05:46] <yo> blabla is the logfile
[05:47] <jhutchins> yo: So?
[05:47] <Sephnroth> fdoving: ok i added all your stuff, what do you want me to type to reset the card/make it update to the new config, etc?
[05:47] <yo> i dunno i'm stuck..i had better luck running utorrent through wine!
[05:47] <fdoving> Sephnroth: sudo ifdown eth1, then sudo ifup eth1, does it work?
[05:47] <jhutchins> ktorrent works for me.
[05:47] <yo> qtorrent is awesome....but it can't change trackers....i can't use ktorrent cuz my tracker blocked it
[05:48] <yo> is there a way to edit .torrent files, and change their tracker URL ?
[05:48] <yo> is there a chance i need to install GNOME for azureus to run?
[05:49] <gilbert> hello everyone
[05:49] <jhutchins> yo: azureus has nothing to do with gnome, you can run it without X.
[05:49] <gilbert> i've got a problem with my kopete
[05:49] <yo> ok..thats a start...thank you....but how come the error window won't close when i click hide?
[05:50] <yo> or..how can i terminate the azureus proccess?
[05:50] <gilbert> every time it starts it keeps on asking whether or not i would like to add this certain contact
[05:50] <gilbert> then again
[05:53] <jhutchins> yo: sudo killall azerius might do it.
[05:53] <sobber> anybody care to explain to me why do .wma files cut in when played through amarok?
[05:53] <jhutchins> yo: ctrl-alt-esc turns your mouse pointer into a skull and crossbones which will kill a process you clik on.
[05:53] <Sephnroth> oh dear
[05:54] <jhutchins> sobber: elaborate on "cut in".
[05:54] <sobber> umm
[05:54] <sobber> well
[05:55] <Sephnroth> fdoving: http://rafb.net/p/Wfeqsb83.html
[05:55] <Sephnroth> at the end there i just hit ctrl+c
[05:55] <sobber> say in windows i play the same file and it starts from the beginning, but with amarok the song doesn't begin where the song begins originally
[05:56] <sobber> else said it doesnt play few opening chords
[05:56] <sobber> it cuts in
[05:58] <sobber> that happens to .wma only not to .mp3
[05:58] <Netziro> hi guys
[05:58] <Netziro> anyone can help me on alsa configuration?
[05:59] <Tm_T> Netziro: not if you can't tell us what is the problem
[05:59] <Netziro> of course, :) i have a mainbord asus P5B
[06:00] <Sephnroth> fdoving: brb 10mins mate i gotta phone the misses else im in more trouble than this nix kernal can give me ;)
[06:00] <Netziro> later the last update of the kernel on kubuntu feisty beta
[06:00] <Netziro> the output of the channel on input line doesn't work
[06:00] <fdoving> Sephnroth: no problem :)
[06:00] <Netziro> you know on all mainboard there is the cable to connect the cd for audio
[06:01] <Netziro> i use this cable for connect my pinnacle tv card
[06:01] <Netziro> and on the last kernel upgrade... the audio doesn't work
[06:02] <Ahmuck> i have a funny problem ... kdm login loops.  i can login to a console login, but cannot login on the gui
[06:02] <jhutchins> Good morning Ahmuck
[06:02] <Ahmuck> hi jhutchins
[06:02] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: Anything in the logs?
[06:03] <Ahmuck> i am not sure what logs to look at
[06:03] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: Most recent update?  Can you startx?
[06:03] <xtavaresx> ahmuck, any progress?
[06:03] <Ahmuck> x is started, i have kdm login
[06:03] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: Ah, but it you log in from a console and run startx, you bypass kdm.
[06:04] <Ahmuck> actually, i changed the resolution and it went bad, so i had to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:04] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: Thus confirming whether the problem is with kdm, kde, or x.
[06:04] <Ahmuck> hrm, i have not tried bypassing kdm
[06:04] <Ahmuck> let me try, i'll be right back
[06:04] <tmske> Hi, I have kubuntu feisty and I have apache installed so I can make some sites for testing, I can connect to localhost fine when I'm online, but if I'm offline I can't access localhost
[06:04] <tmske> any clues?
[06:05] <intelikey> with xorg + blackbox running   mem
[06:05] <intelikey> Mem usage: 18/249 MB (7%)
[06:05] <jhutchins> tmske: Apache's current config usually only listens to localhost unless you actually configure it.
[06:05] <eams> What is xserver-xorg??? I have a homework and I don't know English a lot...
[06:06] <eams> It's too hard for my to find info
[06:06] <jhutchins> eams: wikipedia.org and google.com would seem to be good places to start.
[06:06] <tmske> jhutchins, what do you mean?
[06:06] <intelikey> eams   man xorg
[06:06] <intelikey> eams in a konsole type in     man xorg
[06:06] <jhutchins> tmske: I mean unless you actually configured apache to listen to some other address, localhost is all it will listen to.
[06:07] <eams> Thank you!!!
[06:07] <tmske> jhutchins, yes that's fine, but when I'm offline even localhost doesn't work anymore
[06:08] <tmske> jhutchins, it's fine for me if apache only listens to localhost, but I also want to use it when I'm offline and this doesn't work now
[06:09] <jhutchins> tmske: is apache running?
[06:09] <intelikey> tmske when you go off line is lo up ?    could be lo not configured/up
[06:09] <jhutchins> intelikey: does #xorg work too?
[06:09] <andymg> Anyone else having problems with tuning mythtv after upgrade ?
[06:10] <tmske> jhutchins, apache is running
[06:10] <intelikey> jhutchins ?
[06:10] <tmske> jhutchins, brb
[06:10] <jhutchins> intelikey: Alt-F2, #<manpage>
[06:10] <jhutchins> intelikey: Or in konq, man:/<manpage>
[06:10] <intelikey> ah yes in konq  #xorg   yes
[06:11] <jhutchins> Heh.  Mandriva insists on Xorg.
[06:11] <intelikey> thought you were asking about irc #xorg
[06:12] <jhutchins> Ah.
[06:12] <jhutchins> Also useful.
[06:12] <tmske> jhutchins, both are ok, but I only tested this in konqueror, when I use firefox, everything is ok, so it has something to do with konqueror
[06:13] <tmske> well, I can use firefox to test when I'm offline, so that's something
[06:14] <tmske> jhutchins, anyway thanks for the help, I have to go
[06:14] <intelikey> tmske you are developing web sites ?    do look at them in a text based browser before the final "OK" please.
[06:14] <intelikey> elinks maybe ^
[06:15] <intelikey> lynx  ?
[06:19] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[06:19] <intelikey> :)
[06:20] <Minataku> lynx would provide the optimal text-based view, given it's rather minimalistic rendering
[06:20] <Minataku> links/links2/elinks are more advanced
[06:22] <intelikey> actually w3m would be optimal
[06:22] <Minataku> Probably
[06:23] <Minataku> Never used it myself
[06:23] <intelikey> it's default text based browser on ubuntu
[06:23] <sp3ct3r> ppl.. i just installed kubuntu on a 2nd hard drive.. and i was trying to mount my windows partition
[06:23] <sp3ct3r> but i cant see the hda on /dev
[06:23] <Sephnroth> has anyone tried the iTms plugin for banshee?  if i made nix my more permenant desktop solution then being able to buy stuff from the iTunes store would be a pretty big need of mine
[06:24] <Sephnroth> cuz i do it all the time
[06:24] <intelikey> sp3ct3r  sudo fdisk -l       it's probably sda
[06:24] <ForgeAus> definitely the most standards compliant of the curses/ncurses choices I've seen sofar anyhow
[06:24] <sp3ct3r> let me check
[06:25] <Black_Monkey> where is the "message bus configuration file"?
[06:25] <Minataku> Black_Monkey: Check in the bus' glove box
[06:25] <intelikey> dbus config ???
[06:25] <Minataku> *rimshot*
[06:25] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[06:26] <sp3ct3r> intelikey: Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
[06:26] <Black_Monkey> heh...
[06:26] <sp3ct3r> it just shows the 2nd drive
[06:26] <intelikey> sp3ct3r then i assume you will need to modprobe a driver.     Q. are they on the same bus ?
[06:26] <jhutchins> fdoving: You 'round?
[06:27] <Minataku> How many people actually put gloves in their glove box?
[06:27] <sp3ct3r> y
[06:27] <Black_Monkey> good point...
[06:27] <jhutchins> Minataku: Me.
[06:27] <Minataku> jhutchins: Really?
[06:27] <mhb> hi, kdevelop doesn't have a "bzr" VCS plugin, does it?
[06:27] <intelikey> then that aint it.
[06:27] <jhutchins> Yep, on my bike.
[06:27] <Minataku> I keep my truck's manual and some other crap in there
[06:27] <Black_Monkey> I guess a lot of people did in the past...
[06:27] <Minataku> That's not a glove box
[06:27] <Minataku> That's a saddle bag
[06:28] <jhutchins> Minataku: 85 BMW K100RT - glove box on each side of the fairing.
[06:28] <Black_Monkey> so can anyone actually tell me where the message bus configuration file is?
[06:28] <Minataku> Ah, nice
[06:28] <jhutchins> People use to wear driving gloves.
[06:28] <jhutchins> Black_Monkey: Not sure there is one as such.
[06:28] <Minataku> That would explain the name's origin
[06:28] <Minataku> I forgot about that
[06:28] <Tm_T> mhb: let me see
[06:29] <Ahmuck> jhutchins: startx works
[06:29] <Minataku> sp3ct3r: Is there anything in /dev/ about sdb?
[06:29] <Sephnroth> fdoving: im back, you around mate?  did ya see the paste i left a link to?
[06:29] <Sephnroth> cuz im pretty stumped right now XD
[06:29] <Black_Monkey> jhutchins: an error message told me to look there :/
[06:29] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: So we confirm that the problem is with kdm itself.  Nothing useful in the logs?
[06:29] <sp3ct3r> let m c
[06:29] <mhb> Tm_T: there isn't any in the default install
[06:29] <fdoving> jhutchins: yes. sorry about the delay. was eating.
[06:29] <fdoving> Sephnroth: i'm around, didn't see your paste, do you have the url?
[06:29] <jhutchins> fdoving: No problem.  Do you know of any way to diagnose failure of a wireless card to associate with an AP, given good signal, correct essid & key?
[06:29] <sp3ct3r> Minataku: no just "sda   sda1  sda2  sda5"
[06:30] <Sephnroth> http://rafb.net/p/Wfeqsb83.html
[06:30] <Sephnroth> there ya go
[06:30] <sp3ct3r> i assume they r all my linux partitions right?
[06:30] <Ahmuck> jhutchins: what logs am i looking for?
[06:30] <fdoving> jhutchins: depends on the card, i'm no wlan expert really.
[06:30] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: /var/log/messages, dmesg, Xorg.0.log
[06:30] <Minataku> Why does *buntu use expanded partitions? There are 4 perfectly good entries in the regular partition table, damnit
[06:31] <Minataku> Sorry, back to earth now
[06:31] <Minataku> sp3ct3r: Probably
[06:31] <jhutchins> fdoving: I just wish there were a way to debug it.  It worked Tuesday with the Edgy CD, but not Wednesday through Friday, and not today with the Feisty CD.
[06:31] <Black_Monkey> if there's no message bus configuration file, how would I solve this? - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=409139 :/
[06:32] <Minataku> I need to go eat something >.>
[06:32] <Minataku> lol
[06:32] <fdoving> jhutchins: what kind of card?
[06:32] <intelikey> Minataku it's not a *buntu thang.  you can have up too four primary partitions and if one of them is an extended partition then several inside of that.   linux didn't do that.
[06:32] <jhutchins> fdoving: acx100
[06:33] <intelikey> it predates linux.   probably DOS did it.    could have predated that idk.
[06:33] <fdoving> jhutchins: ah.. i used to have one of those.. hang on.
[06:33] <ForgeAus> yeah fdisk in dos does it
[06:33] <ForgeAus> or Partition Magic
[06:33] <fdoving> jhutchins: is this feisty?
[06:33] <ForgeAus> not certain if XP's partitioner does it but it allows it
[06:33] <Tm_T> mhb: seems like there's none
[06:34] <jhutchins> fdoving: Both, but currently yes.
[06:34] <intelikey> Minataku i don't even have a partition table
[06:34] <jhutchins> fdoving: I think I'm going to see if I can get my other card working with ndiswrapper.  Laptop HD is dead, so I'm running from CD.
[06:35] <mhb> Tm_T: too bad for me then
[06:35] <mhb> Tm_T: thanks
[06:35] <fdoving> jhutchins: ok, i'll find a laptop with pccard slot and find the card.. test if acx100 works here.
[06:35] <Tm_T> mhb: but there might be something somewhere, I just can't find any :p
[06:35] <jhutchins> Great, thanks.  THis is actually an smc2535w
[06:35] <ForgeAus> intelikey I think partitions are considered standard these days
[06:36] <ForgeAus> its probably considered legacy usage not to have a partition on your HDD
[06:36] <Sephnroth> fdoving: i can see you're busy, just give me a yell when you have a moment mate
[06:36] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: I can asure you that drives have always had partitions.
[06:36] <intelikey> ForgeAus could be.
[06:37] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/439877
[06:37] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: Floppy disks didn't really, they were more like tape.
[06:37] <ForgeAus> jhutchins all drive's I've had did have partitions but intellikey has one that doesn't have partitions
[06:37] <ForgeAus> he has simply a filesystem on it, no partition table
[06:37] <fdoving> Sephnroth: i can multitask, i found your paste, it looks like the network didn't come up correctly.
[06:37] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: Well, they don't until you partition and format them.
[06:37] <Sephnroth> looks like it didnt come up at all ;)
[06:37] <intelikey> jhutchins :)
[06:38] <ForgeAus> jhutchins normally yes
[06:38] <intelikey> i have made partitions on floppy disks
[06:38] <jhutchins> It is possible that gnu fdisk is not looking at the "correct" table.
[06:38] <ForgeAus> floppies are generally fat12 right?
[06:39] <jhutchins> intelikey: Possible since DOS3 iirc.
[06:39] <ForgeAus> at least in windows they are
[06:39] <ForgeAus> not sure about the linux world
[06:40] <intelikey> ForgeAus the natural format is fat12 i believe  but i have used fat16 on all floppies from win95 until i started using linux   now they are all ext2
[06:40] <fdoving> Black_Monkey: the message bus is dbus, the config files are in /etc/dbus-1/ - there is also /etc/hal/fdi/policy and /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor
[06:41] <ForgeAus> Intelikey kewl, um can I ask how it works to put fat 16 and or ext2 on a floppy?
[06:41] <jhutchins> D'Oh!  Of COURSE I can't install ndiswrapper with apt-get on the laptop that needs ndiswrapper for networking!
[06:41] <intelikey> ForgeAus from linux it's as simple as  mke2fs /dev/fd0
[06:41] <ForgeAus> normally you just use some kind of format command and it formats the disk putting a fat 12 partition on it, I assume you use some other method to do it with other filesystems
[06:41] <Black_Monkey> fdoving: ah, thanks
[06:41] <soulrider> hey
[06:42] <ForgeAus> oh ok manual cli stuff
[06:42] <Tm_T> jhutchins: like: I bought usb cable so I can use my mobile phone for networking, drivers in internet...
[06:42] <soulrider> im installing kubuntu on my dads PC! :D
[06:42] <ForgeAus> is there a gui tool?
[06:42] <soulrider> his computer is a friggin monster!
[06:42] <Tm_T> soulrider: yay! \o/
[06:42] <soulrider> its so uber
[06:42] <Tm_T> soulrider: big teeth?
[06:42] <soulrider> lol
[06:42] <intelikey> ForgeAus if you setup fstab for fd0 with type "auto" it mounts like a charm.       "don't use fs specific settings of course."
[06:42] <soulrider> im running the live CD almost as fast as kubuntu runs on my computer
[06:43] <fdoving> !away > dhq
[06:43] <soulrider> and its installing everything REALLY fast!
[06:43] <Tm_T> fdoving: oh boy you're fast
[06:43] <Tm_T> soulrider: :)
[06:43] <intelikey> ForgeAus for formating ?      prolly  i've never looked.
[06:43] <soulrider> fdoving: beats everyone
[06:43] <fdoving> Tm_T: the away messages annoy me :)
[06:43] <Tm_T> fdoving: same here
[06:43] <ForgeAus> for putting a filesystem other than fat12 on a floppy
[06:43] <Tm_T> soulrider: with big teeth it should
[06:43] <soulrider> guys, do you knwo if kickoff can be installed here? i know my dad loves lots of flashy things and bling bling :P
[06:43] <Tm_T> fdoving: kfloppy
[06:44] <Tm_T> soulrider: there might be some 3rd party packages somewhere
[06:44] <soulrider> im gonna have to look
[06:44] <soulrider> i got kickoff in Arch and its kinda cool
[06:44] <soulrider> also, is there some sort of "my computer" thing for KDE ?
[06:45] <Sephnroth> "Home"
[06:45] <soulrider> well not home
[06:45] <soulrider> as in
[06:45] <intelikey> soulrider kcontrol
[06:45] <soulrider> something you can open and see all your drives, your home dir and some info
[06:45] <Sephnroth> sorry i read what you said as "My Documents"
[06:45] <Sephnroth> XD
[06:45] <soulrider> i think suse had something like that
[06:45] <fdoving> ForgeAus: i belive this was for you: < Tm_T> fdoving: kfloppy
[06:45] <soulrider> kind of what GNOME has
[06:45] <ForgeAus> heeh kfloppy just formats a floppy as fat12 doesn't it?
[06:46] <ForgeAus> I got kfloppy let me run it and check
[06:46] <Tm_T> fdoving: whops, tabcomplete <3
[06:46] <jhutchins> soulrider: system:/ in konq.
[06:46] <fdoving> soulrider: gnome has this sysinfo:/ kio-slave, i did look at it for kubuntu a while back, didn't complete it though.
[06:46] <ForgeAus> hmm wierd command not found
[06:46] <soulrider> im scared of this installation, its running so fast and smoothly
[06:46] <ForgeAus> maybe I don't have it
[06:46] <fdoving> soulrider: i mean suse has this sysinfo:/
[06:46] <jhutchins> soulrider: system:/ in konq.
[06:46] <soulrider> im gonna check it out fdoving
[06:47] <intelikey> i've got a sideways question, who made it a compitetion between gnome and kde ?     use the parts of gnome you like, use the parts of kde you like; and why so much destinction between ?
[06:47] <ForgeAus> there shouldn't b imho
[06:48] <Sephnroth> fdoving: whats the next step for me mate?  network not coming up so.. what shall i open first to look for errors etc?  i really am out of my area when it comes to wireless, no clue.
[06:48] <ForgeAus> they're alternates of the same thing
[06:48] <jhutchins> intelikey: Different development philosophies.
[06:48] <ForgeAus> in fact if you have GTK+ and QT libraries you can choose to run most apps of either anyway....
[06:48] <soulrider> fdoving:  sysinfo:/ doesnt quite work, and system:/ doesnt seem friendly enough P
[06:48] <soulrider> :P
[06:48] <jhutchins> intelikey: Gnome aims for ease-of-use above functionality, kde functionality over ease-of-use.
[06:49] <ForgeAus> ahh no wonder I give preference to kde then!
[06:49] <fdoving> Sephnroth: i'll make a new paste for you. hang on.
[06:49] <Sephnroth> kk
[06:49] <soulrider> yeah, i like KDE too, but i liked some stuff about GNOME too
[06:49] <Sephnroth> appreiciate your time mate
[06:49] <ForgeAus> many apps seem to assume or default to gnome
[06:50] <syke> hi
[06:50] <fdoving> intelikey: checked openbox out? it's a little more complex :)
[06:50] <ForgeAus> yeah blackbox is nice
[06:50] <ForgeAus> either that or fluxbox
[06:50] <ForgeAus> I think I have openbox, dunno much about it tho
[06:50] <intelikey> fdoving yeah.   i like twm ok too
[06:50] <syke> about a week ago, knetworkmanager stopped being able to configure wireless networks on my laptop
[06:51] <syke> I was so ecstatic to find my issues from 6.10 had been fixed, but now it's back to the way it was :(
[06:51] <syke> any ideas what may have happened? my shell script for configuring the wireless still worked
[06:51] <fdoving> Sephnroth: http://rafb.net/p/A0TSzP66.html
[06:51] <Sephnroth> cheers mate
[06:51] <syke> I'm a paying Canonical customer, don't know if that helps at all :)
[06:52] <syke> this is with a bcm43xx driver/chipset
[06:52] <syke> using wpa_supplicant
[06:52] <syke> maybe I'll try in #ubuntu ...
[06:53] <fdoving> syke: i have the exactly same card, works for me with knetworkmanager, is this feisty?
[06:53] <syke> yes, with feisty
[06:53] <syke> all the latest packages
[06:54] <syke> Some update last week broke things, I assume
[06:54] <fdoving> syke: that works for me, what driver do you use? - feisty supplies two different modules. 'lsmod|grep bcm' to find out
[06:54] <syke> bcm43xx               123924  0
[06:54] <syke> ieee80211softmac       30720  1 bcm43xx
[06:54] <syke> ieee80211              33608  2 bcm43xx,ieee80211softmac
[06:55] <Sephnroth> fdoving: put in what you said (but with alot of lame blank lines thanks to the VI lameness over ssh) and brought eth1 down and back up, same errors
[06:55] <Sephnroth> and msgs
[06:55] <fdoving> syke: same as i use.
[06:55] <syke> hrm
[06:55] <jhutchins> syke: From the topic of #ubuntu+1: "Large parts of feisty were broken, Including booting, and a 403 on the kernel. 2.6.20-15.25 fixes these. Don't use feisty yet on production systems. Expect breakage."
[06:55] <syke> I'll try rm'ing my knetworkmanagerrc again
[06:55] <fdoving> Sephnroth: then i don't know. that work for me with an rt2500 device. do you have a hex key or a passphrase?
[06:56] <syke> jhutchins: yes, I know that, thanks :) I'm trying to help with testing here :)
[06:56] <soulrider> uhm, do intel graphic drivers install automatically _
[06:56] <fdoving> soulrider: should do, yes.
[06:56] <jhutchins> syke: Great, but it was probably last week's kernel update.
[06:56] <syke> ah ok
[06:56] <fdoving> jhutchins: it works for me, and i'm on 2.6.20-14
[06:56] <syke> so the -15.25 update might fix it?
[06:56] <fdoving> syke: what kernel are you on? 'uname -a'
[06:57] <fdoving> syke: might.
[06:57] <intelikey> syke not being intrusive but helping with testing should be in #ubuntu+1  shouldn't it ?
[06:57] <syke> 2.6.20-14-386
[06:58] <intelikey> i'm not trying to break up the convo   just saying
[06:58] <syke> intelikey: I wasn't sure, since this is technically kubuntu+1. fdoving and I can go over there, if this is somehow disruptive
[06:58] <soulrider> fdoving: awesome, you think i can get beryl up and running easily on one ?
[06:58] <syke> fdoving: I wonder if my wpa_supplicant config or something else got fux0red
[06:59] <intelikey> syke all *ubuntu development is  #ubuntu+1    but i'm not trying to run you off, just daying that it might be more helpful if the developers "all" saw it.
[06:59] <syke> intelikey: ok
[06:59] <intelikey> s/daying/saying/
[07:00] <syke> makes sense
[07:00] <maurizio> Hi
[07:00] <Sephnroth> fdoving: i asked my friend (rememebr i know nothing about wireless) and he replies with: there is a passphrase used to create the hexkey on the router, but it's just a hexxey on the pc side
[07:00] <fdoving> soulrider: yes, i have little experience with beryl, i can probably tell you in a week. when i get my new latitude with an intel graphics.
[07:00] <syke> fdoving: thanks for the help, I'll ask in #ubuntu+1 and may but you more later :)
[07:00] <maurizio> I was install driver ati
[07:00] <maurizio> Help me
[07:00] <fdoving> syke: please do. :)
[07:00] <fdoving> !ati | maurizio
[07:00] <ubotu> maurizio: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:01] <jhutchins> Sephnroth: You can use either ascii or hex to set the wep key on a card, in fact, I recently used iwconfig to convert ascii to hex.
[07:01] <jhutchins> Sephnroth: ... for another application.
[07:01] <maurizio> ok I read this how-to
[07:01] <soulrider> fdoving: i see, my dad is gonna get an nvidia card i think, but they are out of stock so he susing his on board intel one
[07:02] <soulrider> fdoving: will things get messy when he installs it or just reconfiguring xorg will fix everything _
[07:02] <jhutchins> soulrider: How could he guess that if he doesn't know what model card you're dad's getting?
[07:02] <fdoving> soulrider: not sure, can't understand why it would make problems. you will need to specify the default card though.. but that's easy.
[07:03] <jhutchins> soulrider: I would plan to be there to install the nvidia card, or expect to go do it before he can run kubuntu with it.
[07:03] <Sephnroth> fdoving:  i dont know what that knowledge does for me - i really am out in the stix intelectually here XD
[07:03] <soulrider> jhutchins: we live int he same house, so i think that if there sa problem i can trya nd fix it
[07:04] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ok. if it's a hex key, you will use 'wireless-key hexkeygoeshere' instead of 'wireless-key s:passphrase'
[07:04] <fdoving> Sephnroth: the s: part says it's a passphrase.
[07:04] <Sephnroth> ohhhh
[07:04] <Sephnroth> well thats one reason for it not working then
[07:04] <Sephnroth> cuz i got s:<hex>
[07:04] <soulrider> intelikey: i know, i type horribly
[07:05] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ok. try without the s: then :)
[07:05] <Sephnroth> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[07:05] <Sephnroth> still :/
[07:06] <Sephnroth> and network is down
[07:06] <syke> hrm
[07:06] <soulrider> i think kubuntu installed on this machine in around 5'7 minutes
[07:06] <soulrider> 5-7
[07:06] <syke> no love from ubuntu+1
[07:06] <fdoving> syke: did you try to update your kernel to the current one -15.25 ?
[07:07] <Sephnroth> fdoving: is the easier solution this ndiswrapper thing ppl keep going on about?
[07:07] <syke> I just got that update, maybe I'll reboot into it
[07:07] <fdoving> Sephnroth: no such file or directory?
[07:07] <Sephnroth> thats the output im getting
[07:07] <soulrider> i think intelikey hates  me =/
[07:08] <Sephnroth> basically everything i have tried today doesnt work, couldnt even compile the latest rt2500 cuz it insisted there was no rules to make it and blah
[07:08] <intelikey> no he dont
[07:08] <fdoving> Sephnroth: i have never used ndiswrapper for political reasons. so i wouldn't know hos hard/easy that is.
[07:08] <soulrider> ^^
[07:08] <Sephnroth> this is unfortunate cuz i've introduced plenty of ppl onlien to nix/*ubuntu and its gone perfect and smooth and they loved it
[07:08] <soulrider> gonna reboot and go tot he actual installation!
[07:08] <Sephnroth> now i converted a real life friend and this has been their first experiance :(
[07:08] <Tm_T> syke: wait and ask again :)
[07:09] <syke> I used to use ndiswrapper until about a year ago, when bcm43xx was stable enough
[07:09] <syke> my husband and I actually paid for linuxant before that, when ndiswrapper wasn't good enough
[07:10] <intelikey> yuch
[07:10] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ok. is the module loaded? (lsmod|grep -i rt25) is the device there? (lshw -short|grep eth1) - what does 'iwconfig eth1' say? (pastebin please?) - does 'iwlist eth1 scan' list the network?
[07:10] <Sephnroth> one sec and i'll provide you with your answers
[07:10] <Sephnroth> module is NOT loaded -_-;
[07:11] <Sephnroth> now it is
[07:11] <fdoving> Sephnroth: then that's why you can't ifup properly.
[07:11] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ifup again.. se if it helps.
[07:11] <Sephnroth> no go, same output after doing a down/up
[07:12] <Sephnroth> your 2nd question outputs:
[07:12] <Sephnroth> root@Ex-S:~# lshw -short|grep eth1
[07:12] <Sephnroth> /0/d0000000/8/6          eth1       network     BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller
[07:12] <fdoving> Sephnroth: it's not an RT2500! it's an bcm43xx!  :)
[07:13] <Sephnroth> dont look at me mate i dont know one from another, i started today by waking up to the IM messages "help, i got this kunbuntu installed n everything works except my wireless, i followed the wiki for the rt2500 driver but nothing is working properly"
[07:13] <Sephnroth> and have continued from that premice all day XD
[07:13] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ok. do this: 'sudo aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter' then 'sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh'
[07:14] <soulrider> im back :)
[07:14] <soulrider> edgy has to download 270mb of updates
[07:14] <soulrider> thats way too much...
[07:14] <fdoving> Sephnroth: then i'd suggest to change /etc/network/interfaces a little... i'll make a pastebin,.
[07:16] <fdoving> Sephnroth: http://rafb.net/p/lgg0PQ25.html - note that wireless-rate is set to 11M, i get best stability with that..
[07:16] <Sephnroth> done it all, all appears to be successfull except for one thing in the middle that i appear to be able to ignore, which was:
[07:16] <Sephnroth> *****: Sorry, it's not possible to extract "bcm43xx_microcode13.fw".
[07:16] <Sephnroth> *****: Extracting firmware from an old driver is bad. Choose a more recent one.
[07:16] <Sephnroth> *****: Luckily bcm43xx driver doesn't include microcode11 uploads at the moment.
[07:16] <Sephnroth> *****: But this can be added in the future...
[07:16] <soulrider> can someone paste the little home dir symbol for me? i cant type it on this keyboard
[07:17] <Minataku> ~
[07:17] <soulrider> thanks
[07:17] <Minataku> np
[07:17] <Tm_T> soulrider: that sounds fun =)
[07:17] <maurizio> Hi
[07:17] <intelikey> soulrider you can use $HOME  too
[07:17] <maurizio> My ati radeon 9200
[07:18] <maurizio> have not 3d
[07:18] <soulrider> intelikey: i didnt know that
[07:18] <maurizio> I have read how-to
[07:18] <cricksen> elp cant compile ndiswrapper
[07:18] <intelikey> that's why i mentioned it.
[07:18] <fdoving> Sephnroth: get http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/fw.tar.gz - unpack it to /lib/firmware/
[07:18] <maurizio> x.org is not start
[07:18] <Sephnroth> k will do that now fdoving - thanks.  worth noting though, his card is apprantly a linksys wmp54g - and on the ubuntu wiki for rt2500 driver, on the table saying what cards use that driver, his card is there :x
[07:18] <Sephnroth> k
[07:18] <maurizio> I have feisty
[07:19] <Tm_T> !feisty | maurizio
[07:19] <ubotu> maurizio: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:19] <maurizio> ok
[07:20] <fdoving> jhutchins: where do you find the acx100 firmware?
[07:21] <mikey> in edgy, I'm looking for a tool to allow read-write access to my ntfs partition (dual boot), as well as additional ide drives in my pc
[07:21] <mikey> any suggestions how to accomplish this?
[07:21] <ForgeAus> well in edgy you can use ntfs-3g
[07:21] <ForgeAus> or fuse to read/write with ntfs
[07:21] <ForgeAus> and in windows you can use
[07:21] <dope> when i try to stream music through gnump3d my winamp says error syncing to stream for every song
[07:21] <mikey> I've hard of a tool called ntfs-config avail. in feisty
[07:21] <ForgeAus> fs-driver.org 's ext2ifs driver to read your ext3 part
[07:22] <fdoving> Sephnroth: note that in the last paste i sometimes find it faster to associate with the AP if i add the wireless-ap <mac> to the interfaces file. it's not needed though.
[07:22] <ForgeAus> !ntfs
[07:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:22] <Sephnroth> fdoving:  that appears to of worked!
[07:22] <dope> can anyone help plz
[07:22] <fdoving> Sephnroth: great :)
[07:22] <mikey> yea, got the ifs driver, works great going that direction
[07:22] <_Johny> I've got a problem with KDE sessions - When I try to lock one , or open a new one, my screen turns black and I have to reboot the computer. My KDE version is 3.5.6. I'm using Kubunty edgy 6.10 with 2.6.17-11-generic kernel
[07:22] <mikey> will try ntfs-3g
[07:22] <fdoving> Sephnroth: do you happen to have the link to the page you read that the device was an rt2500 one at hand?
[07:22] <_Johny> My graphics driver is fglrx
[07:22] <ForgeAus> check out the webpage anyway mikey
[07:22] <fdoving> _Johny: what happens if you hit ctrl-alt-f7 ?
[07:22] <ForgeAus> (the link above)
[07:23] <Sephnroth> http://ralink.rapla.net/
[07:23] <fdoving> _Johny: after it blacks out?
[07:23] <_Johny> fdoving: nothing
[07:23] <Sephnroth> which is linked to from:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500#head-930554cc0b7ea23e53c5897ed13a336cf960f874
[07:23] <mikey> ForgeAus: thanks.
[07:23] <ForgeAus> it tells you if you need to know any mods to the fstab etc)
[07:23] <Sephnroth> hey mikey
[07:23] <Sephnroth> XD
[07:23] <jacques_> hi good job there
[07:23] <_Johny> fdoving: If im'not locking a session I still can switch to kdm with ctrl+alt+bcksp
[07:24] <dope> when i try to stream music through gnump3d my winamp says error syncing to stream for every song
[07:24] <intelikey> ^+alt+<  kills xorg
[07:24] <dope> anyone know why
[07:25] <mikey> yes sephnroth, what's up?
[07:25] <jacques_> i can not power off completely my laptop
[07:25] <Sephnroth> just randomly greeting people, dont mind me mate ;)
[07:26] <jhutchins> dope: Winamp.
[07:26] <mikey> hehe, tis ok:)
[07:26] <dope> jhutchins: ?
[07:26] <jhutchins> dope: The problem is winamp.
[07:26] <dope> oh
[07:26] <jhutchins> dope: It's not catching the song changes.
[07:26] <mikey> !ntfstools
[07:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfstools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:27] <mikey> !ntfsprogs
[07:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfsprogs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:27] <russ_> anyone know how to install HairyArsecheeks.bin?
[07:27] <jhutchins> dope: see if you can listen to the stream from linux (on the same box if necessary).
[07:27] <intelikey> try !info packagesname
[07:27] <jhutchins> dope: There are also some other stream severs avaialble, you could see if winamp likes any of them better.
[07:27] <dope> it's on a server
[07:27] <jhutchins> gstreamer, vlc, etc.
[07:27] <mikey> !info ntfsprogs
[07:27] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.12.1-1 (edgy), package size 205 kB, installed size 532 kB
[07:28] <mikey> !info ntfstools
[07:28] <ubotu> ntfstools: transitional package to install ntfsprogs. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.12.1-1 (edgy), package size 27 kB, installed size 56 kB
[07:28] <dope> jhutchins: it's not playing in itunes either
[07:28] <russ_> get over it already
[07:28] <jhutchins> dope: Hm.  I'd try one of the other streamers then, see what it does.
[07:28] <dope> jhutchins: can you recommend one
[07:28] <jhutchins> !ops | russ_, troll from yesterday, is back.
[07:28] <ubotu> russ_, troll from yesterday, is back.: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[07:28] <mikey> ty intelikey
[07:28] <intelikey> !messagethebot
[07:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about messagethebot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:29] <intelikey> !msgthebot
[07:29] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:29] <intelikey> np
[07:29] <fdoving> nixternal: i'm around, he hasn't done anything illegal yet.
[07:29] <nalioth> russ_: please be civil
[07:29] <nixternal> fdoving: I am watching
[07:29] <russ_> oh purlease
[07:30] <hak5fan> I'm reinstalling Kubuntu right now. I upgraded the xserver to the horrible version 10.3 and borke my system
[07:31] <bigdad1e> hey, how do i get to watch videos on konqueror? on the internet..
[07:31] <intelikey> !flash
[07:31] <Sephnroth> hey in a couple of hours i will be putting new hardware into my home server.  i'll have to reinstall ubuntu on it so i will probably download the latest.  now its a pure server - shares the net between my home network computers, serves apache, php, mysql, svn, etc
[07:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:31] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[07:31] <Sephnroth> so im thinking of getting the server edition with its LAMP setup etc
[07:32] <Sephnroth> but i like having a front end for things like the firewall using firestarter etc so.. is it easy enough to install gnome if i insnstall from the server cd?
[07:32] <fdoving> Sephnroth: yes.
[07:32] <syke> no dice, the update/reboot didn't help :(
[07:32] <intelikey> Sephnroth those two words don't make much sense togather.  "server & latest"
[07:32] <Sephnroth> sorry
[07:32] <syke> is there some other config file that knetworkmanager reads that might be corrupted somehow?
[07:32] <Sephnroth> i mean latest stable, edgey instead of breazy
[07:32] <Sephnroth> not feisty ;)
[07:33] <intelikey> ok
[07:33] <fdoving> syke: not likely, the device is not listed in /etc/network/interfaces is it?
[07:33] <syke> it is
[07:33] <intelikey> Sephnroth to answer your Q   yes
[07:33] <syke> auto eth1
[07:33] <syke> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[07:33] <syke> wpa-essid h00t1e
[07:33] <syke> wpa-key-mgmt WPA-PSK
[07:33] <syke> wpa-passphrase xxxxx:)
[07:33] <fdoving> syke: remove it all, or add # at the begining of the lines.
[07:34] <fdoving> !away > dhq
[07:34] <syke> oh, is this it???
[07:34] <fdoving> syke: yes.
[07:34] <syke> how did this get added here?
[07:34] <fdoving> syke: don't know. but it should not be there if you want to use knetworkmanager.
[07:34] <syke> ok
[07:34] <intelikey> Sephnroth a simple command   sudo apt-get install {gnome,ubuntu-desktop}    depending on which of the two you desire.
[07:34] <syke> ohhh
[07:34] <syke> I think I know what happened
[07:35] <Sephnroth> ubuntu-desktop?
[07:35] <Ahmuck> grr
[07:36] <intelikey> Sephnroth that would install gnome-session and all the ubuntu default apps.      gnome  would install gnome-session and all the "gnome apps"     both  gnome and ubuntu-desktop are meta packages
[07:36] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ubuntu-desktop is the complete ubuntu system, i doubt you want that, i'd rather recommend installing firestarter when you need it, then start it from within a ssh session from one of your clients. then it'll be X-forwarded to you client from the server. and you won't have to install all the other crap on the server.
[07:36] <cheeseboy> is it possible to  have dual monitors with nv driver?
[07:36] <intelikey> Sephnroth same is true for    {kde,kubuntu-desktop}
[07:37] <intelikey> xfce xubuntu-desktop    "i think,  not sure that xfce is part of edgy.  might not be a meta package for that other than the *-desktop one"
[07:39] <Ahmuck> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:39] <syke__> oops, connection reset somehow
[07:40] <syke__> oops, connection reset somehow
[07:40] <intelikey> fdoving and yes.  i was simply answering the question he/she asked.     but in most cases i would have to agree.
[07:40] <syke__> any other configs I need to reset?
[07:40] <bigdad1e> what is the lib directory that i save flash player to my konqueror?
[07:40] <cheeseboy> is it possible to  have dual monitors with nv driver?
[07:40] <syke__> as I said, this did work at one time, seemingly out of the box :)
[07:40] <fdoving> syke__: after changing that file you should restart dbus or reboot, then try again with knetworkmanager.
[07:41] <ganymed> hi
[07:41] <ganymed> i have just installed feisty beta. pretty amazingly, everything (except ati graphics support) worked out of the box, including (k)networkmanager
[07:43] <ganymed> after updating, though, knetworkmanager doesn't recognise my wireless interface (eth1, ipw2200) as 'eligible' anymore, eth1 is in interfaces, commenting it out didn't work. any ideas?
[07:43] <bigdad1e> what is the lib directory that i save flash player to my konqueror?
[07:43] <CVirus> !wine
[07:43] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:43] <ubuntu_> d
[07:44] <ganymed> any ideas why networkmanager wouldn't recognise my card anymore?
[07:44] <soulrider> is there a way to place a trash icon on the Desktop?
[07:45] <dirgedoll> i downloaded a tar.gz file and want to unzip it how do I do that? thanks.
[07:45] <bigdad1e> what folder is all my programs in?
[07:45] <soulrider> dirgedoll: right click it and then extract
[07:46] <dirgedoll> ok
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> dirgedoll: or if you'd prefer the commandline, 'tar -zxvf file'
[07:46] <fdoving> !software | dirgedoll
[07:46] <ubotu> dirgedoll: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[07:46] <soulrider> bigdad1e: programs will go to /usr/bin and /opt/ i think
[07:46] <Ahmuck> soulrider: yes
[07:46] <fdoving> !software > bigdad1e
[07:47] <soulrider> bigdad1e: see if you can read that guide, it will help you understand some things
[07:47] <bigdad1e> soulrider: im trying to install flash to konqueror
[07:47] <bigdad1e> i just need to know where to install it and im done
[07:47] <soulrider> bigdad1e: check out that guide the bit sent you, its awesome
[07:47] <soulrider> bigdad1e: we dont install things that way here in linux, its a lot easier to install actually
[07:47] <soulrider> !flash
[07:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:47] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[07:48] <bigdad1e> thats how im doing it
[07:48] <dirgedoll> thanks i just wanted to extract it heh
[07:49] <soulrider> bigdad1e: if you install the flashplugin'nonfree package, it will install flash 9 for all browsers
[07:49] <bigdad1e> ok thanks
[07:49] <soulrider> dirgedoll: could you extract ir alright _
[07:50] <soulrider> does anyone know how i can add a trash icon in my desktop? i dont want it in the panel
[07:50] <Hc> hey
[07:50] <soulrider> hi hc
[07:50] <Hc> how much mem should i leave to grub stage 1.5?
[07:50] <Hc> min requirement
[07:50] <Hc> hi soulrider =)
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm looking back at when i started using ubuntu...  i was frustrated because i couldn't do anything substantial without using the CLI.  now i go to a windows machine and i'm frustrated when i don't have the CLI :\
[07:50] <Hc> just bought a laptop
[07:50] <soulrider> you dont have to make a partition for grub or anything
[07:50] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i feel the same way!!
[07:50] <stivani> soulrider: cp /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/directory.trash ~/Desktop
[07:51] <dirgedoll> yeah it works just fine thanks
[07:51] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i get so pissed off when i cant type 'killall'
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> amen
[07:52] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: and you need to use 'killall'in windows a lot! :P
[07:52] <Peaker> Windows frustrates me to no end, and not just the lack of a command line :P
[07:52] <dirgedoll> indeed
[07:52] <Peaker> I think the lack of xkill is wrose than than the lack of killal
[07:52] <dirgedoll> i'm just starting with command lines
[07:52] <Peaker> I like ctrl+meta+del on KDE letting me kill The Process Of A Window
[07:52] <cheeseboy> why don't nvidia drivers work in fiesty?
[07:52] <Peaker> In Windows, you X the window - WAIT 10 bloody seconds. Click end task, WAIT 10 more, and then HOPE it worked at all
[07:53] <Peaker> with KDE I just Ctrl+meta+del, and click the window, done
[07:53] <ganymed> !knetworkmanager
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knetworkmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <ganymed> !networkmanager
[07:53] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[07:53] <soulrider> dirgedoll: the command line can seem a bit scary at first, but its just awesome, and FAST!
[07:54] <dirgedoll> what can you do with it
[07:55] <soulrider> dirgedoll: everything! intelikey here doesnt even have a graphic enviroment, and he can still listen to music, watch movies and browse web pages!
[07:55] <dirgedoll> thats cool
[07:55] <soulrider> dirgedoll: you can also do almost all common tasks faster than in a GUI
[07:56] <dirgedoll> i was wanting to put my trashcan on my desktop too how did you do that again?
[07:56] <soulrider> dirgedoll: open konqueror and go to  /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/
[07:56] <soulrider> and then drag the trash can into the desktop and select the option to make a link
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: i finally got fed up with using konsole, and installed kuake
[07:57] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i use yakuak
[07:57] <soulrider> e
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> anything to recommend it over kuake?
[07:57] <soulrider> but i also open a konsole with meta+f12
[07:57] <bigdad1e> !flash
[07:57] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: dunno
[07:57] <soulrider> BRB
[07:58] <russ_> rimming
[07:58] <bigdad1e> soulrider: my flash isnt working i installed it but nothing
[07:58] <Tm_T> hi MK_Mike
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, both troublemakers have arrived
[07:59] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[07:59] <stivani> soulrider: I think it's better to copy from /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/ instead of linking
[07:59] <dirgedoll> it worked thanks!
[07:59] <MK_Mike> hey Tm_T
[07:59] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: both?
[07:59] <stivani> soulrider: you will have problems if you want to rename you trashcan :)
[07:59] <intelikey> i "might" use a gui more often if i could get an enbeded tabbed terminal as wallpaper....         or maybe not.
[07:59] <MK_Mike> Tm_T: how are you today?
[07:59] <Sephnroth> anyone musically inclinded ever got reason running well under kubuntu?
[08:00] <Sephnroth> i've been going down my checklist of things that need to work to make windows completely and utterly redundant and thats the only box left unticked :x
[08:00] <intelikey> stivani how so ?
[08:00] <Daisuke_Ido> "reason"?
[08:00] <dirgedoll> It's a killer music prog
[08:00] <Tm_T> MK_Mike: fine thanks, more in -offtopic ;)
[08:00] <Sephnroth> propellerheads reason, its my virtual rack/software synth/sequencer of choice
[08:01] <Sephnroth> and i just bought it legitmately finally cuz i saved and the program deserves it
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> does it run under wine?
[08:01] <stivani> intelikey: if you rename it, you can't
[08:01] <Sephnroth> so i sorta want that working XD
[08:01] <dirgedoll> the only reason I keep my windows box at all is the sims, world of warcraft, and rebirth
[08:01] <intelikey> stivani odd that shouldn't happen
[08:01] <Tm_T> Sephnroth: you might like to use jack for audio
[08:01] <Sephnroth> i dunno, thats half of what im asking.  the wine db has mixed responses
[08:01] <stivani> intelikey: if you copy it, you can rename it to "trashcan" for example
[08:02] <MaDiNfO_> does fiesty have kaffeine ?
[08:02] <MaDiNfO_> kubunto ?
[08:02] <intelikey> stivani i may have to install kde just to see this anomily
[08:02] <Tm_T> MaDiNfO_: it does
[08:02] <MaDiNfO_> version ?
[08:02] <MaDiNfO_> 0.8.4 ?
[08:02] <Tm_T> 0.8.3 says mine
[08:03] <MaDiNfO_> no plans to upgrade ?
[08:03] <Tm_T> MaDiNfO_: no idea
[08:03] <MaDiNfO_> ok
[08:03] <fdoving> probably too late.
[08:03] <MaDiNfO_> i've haded on kaffeine project page
[08:03] <Tm_T> MaDiNfO_: prolly when new KDE release comes, then in kubuntu.org repository
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> Sephnroth: you have a couple options, you can either try under wine (which has recently started getting better with app compatibility, rather than just how many apps run), or vmware with a windows install
[08:03] <MaDiNfO_> ubunto/kubuntu
[08:03] <stivani> intelikey: I might be wrong, but a normal user hasn't write acces to the trash file in /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/ if you link to it
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> you can also bug propellerheads to release a linux version of reason :D
[08:03] <MaDiNfO_> way to install
[08:04] <fdoving> stivani: you can copy it.
[08:04] <Sephnroth> Daisuke_Ido: lol @ last option, you may as well ask them fot VSt suppor XD
[08:04] <Sephnroth> *support
[08:04] <stivani> fdoving: that's wat I try to say that it's safer to copy it instead of linking to it ;)
[08:04] <akinax> !flash
[08:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:04] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[08:04] <Sephnroth> Tm_T: from what i can gather, Jack is a sort of.. alsa alternitive?
[08:04] <akinax> !flash
[08:05] <Tm_T> Sephnroth: yes, what I've heard, it's far better for your purpose than alsa, but no real experience
[08:05] <Ricky> I have installed Counter-Strike: Source using Wine. However, when I try to get into a game, it exits with a directx error, something to the tune of "Failed to lock index buffer". Has anyone had that problem? How can I get CS:S running with Wine?
[08:05] <Tarsus> Hello, having difficulty in OpenGL, anyone here have experience with geforce 2s and the legacy driver?
[08:06] <Sephnroth> sounds interesting - but of no use if reason wont work in the first place :(  will have to see how that goes
[08:06] <Tarsus> using edgy btw
[08:06] <jacques__> help here
[08:06] <Sephnroth> ah well, gotta upgrade my dads pc using the left overs of mine, then upgrade the server using the left overs on his, then get oses on his, the server and add kubuntu 64 to this my new amd system
[08:06] <Sephnroth> ...im not going to be finished tonight i dont think :(
[08:06] <jacques__> I have killed my system
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> Sephnroth: wine on an amd64 isn't a cakewalk
[08:07] <Sephnroth> oh, joy
[08:07] <Sephnroth> thats not the news i wanted
[08:07] <jacques__> I just wanted to install beryl now the computer can not boot
[08:07] <dirgedoll> the horror :(
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> how much ram are you working with?
[08:07] <jacques__> can someone help here
[08:07] <Sephnroth> a gig of high speed
[08:08] <Tm_T> intelikey: you rooted us all
[08:08] <russ_> titwank69
[08:08] <Daisuke_Ido> then you probably don't *need* the 64 bit version of kubuntu
[08:08] <ganymed> how is the kde frontend for encoding audio files called?
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> !info soundkonverter
[08:09] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1047 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[08:09] <Sephnroth> im begining to wonder what the point was in getting a 64bit chip though
[08:09] <Sephnroth> xp 64 is terriable for driver suppot so *kick* out the window
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> still runs 32 bit apps faster
[08:09] <Sephnroth> now kubuntu is a bit dodge in 64bit too? :/
[08:09] <Sephnroth> does anything run 64bit properly atm?! T_T
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and kubuntu is a lot farther along, just not *quite* there yet
[08:10] <Sephnroth> hows fiesty for 64?
[08:10] <geggam> 64 bit processors make great servers
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> small things like wine and flash are the only things i've heard about being problems
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> but i think they can be done
[08:10] <Tm_T> Sephnroth: well, still there is proprietary or otheway limited stuff that hinders, but mostly it is already "in there"
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, the OS itself is great
[08:11] <dirgedoll> I think so too
[08:11] <ganymed> thx
[08:11] <Sephnroth> but i can expect random things in wine to not work?
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[08:12] <Tarsus> n/m found a nice faq on the topic
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> you can expect installing wine to be a minor headache
[08:12] <Tarsus> google isn't as much my friend as this chan
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> and then it should run as well as on any other system
[08:12] <Sephnroth> but once installed it will be like normal?
[08:12] <Sephnroth> would there be any merit in purchessing crossover or cedega perhaps?
[08:13] <intelikey> what provides /usr/bin/startkde ?
[08:13] <ForgeAus> kde-base?
[08:13] <Tm_T> intelikey: apt:/ doesn't help? kdebase should be it
[08:14] <geggam> !startkde
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about startkde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <ForgeAus> does kubuntu install kdebase? or is it somewhere else in kubuntu-desktop?
[08:14] <intelikey> thanks guys.
[08:15] <Tm_T> ForgeAus: one of the dependencies of kubuntu-desktop I believe
[08:15] <ForgeAus> kewl Tm_T, just checking...
[08:16] <Ahmuck> ForgeAus: kubuntu requires kde-base
[08:16] <geggam> intelikey,  cd /var/cache/apt/archives$ for a in * ; do dpkg -c $a | grep startkde ; done
[08:16] <intelikey> kdebase depends on the package that provides startkde     ffr.  it's  ksmserver
[08:16] <Tm_T> intelikey: heh
[08:16] <intelikey> geggam that would assume the package is local
[08:16] <Sephnroth> that was.. interesting.  unplugged my usb keyboard and my pc randomly restarted itself >_>
[08:16] <Sephnroth> musical keyboard that is
[08:16] <Tm_T> intelikey: apt:/ is yourr friend
[08:16] <geggam> i have startkde
[08:16] <geggam> thus i would assume that
[08:16] <Sephnroth> i think i'll blame windows for that one
[08:16] <Daisuke_Ido> Sephnroth: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64
[08:17] <intelikey> Tm_T that would assume konqueror   i think
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> check that out on installing wine.  like i said, minor headache at most
[08:17] <Tm_T> intelikey: yes
[08:17] <Tm_T> intelikey: I think it does search packages.ubuntu.com too
[08:17] <intelikey> Tm_T was trying to get a kde session so i could try that renaming a link on the desktop
[08:17] <Tm_T> :)
[08:18] <Sephnroth> ido - not too bad at all
[08:19] <geggam> ok this is boring... back to TV
[08:21] <ganymed> has anybody got envy to work with feisty?
[08:22] <intelikey> well what kde is doing is  'not reading the file name' it's dereferncing the link and reading the title from the file
[08:22] <Kikkoman> Would I go here or to #ubuntu for KDE?
[08:23] <intelikey> when you rename them it does indeed change the name
[08:23] <intelikey> but what you see in the "desktop" is unaffected.
[08:23] <intelikey> interesting.    i'd consider that a bug in kde
[08:24] <intelikey> it's probably called a 'feature'
[08:24] <intelikey> Kikkoman here
[08:26] <soulrider> guys, is there a way to import emails and contatcs from outlook in windows to kmail?
[08:26] <intelikey> contacts ?   address book ?
[08:27] <soulrider> yeah
[08:27] <soulrider> and all emails
[08:27] <intelikey> soulrider export from M$ as  comma seperated text
[08:27] <intelikey> soulrider as to the emails   i don't really know.
[08:28] <soulrider> i think i found somethign int he forums
[08:28] <soulrider> make thunderbird in windows import
[08:28] <intelikey> you could save them all into a folder   depending on how many
[08:28] <soulrider> and somehting in linux import from thunderbird P
[08:28] <intelikey> soulrider should work
[08:29] <soulrider> yeah, im gonna try that
[08:29] <mikey> ok, I installed ntfs-3g.  now what?
[08:29] <soulrider> i dont liek the idea of my dad going to windows to use autocad and coreldraw...
[08:29] <soulrider> mikey: youre gonna ahve to edit fstab
[08:30] <mikey> I could always see my ntfs files, open them, but still cannot save to that dir
[08:30] <mikey> ok..
[08:30] <mikey> how do I edit fstab?
[08:31] <soulrider> mikey: youre gonna need to edit fstab so it mounts your ntfs drives with the ntfs'3g driver
[08:31] <soulrider> let me give you a link to the howto
[08:31] <mikey> excellent, ty
[08:31] <intelikey> i have got to trim ship on this system.   it's using more ram without X than the other with X   Mem usage: 22/249 MB (8%)      as opposed to 18m
[08:32] <russ_> hairy bum-flaps
[08:32] <soulrider> mikey: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/
[08:32] <mikey> ty
[08:32] <soulrider> intelikey: youre still using almost no RAM at all :P
[08:33] <intelikey> soulrider not on a 64m box   need to stay under 16m for the base system to have free ram for vidios
[08:33] <soulrider> i think im gonna make a wiki entry on how to import emails and contacts from windows into linux
[08:33] <SubOne> is there a log file for adept as far as which packages have been installed/uninstalled?
[08:33] <soulrider> intelikey: whats vidios ?
[08:33] <intelikey> on this box i have 256 so no biggy,  it's just that i know it can do better
[08:34] <soulrider> SubOne: not sure but there probably is
[08:34] <intelikey> soulrider teaching tracks.
[08:34] <soulrider> intelikey: youre a teacher ?
[08:34] <intelikey> i'm a profesional learner
[08:34] <intelikey> :)
[08:34] <soulrider> arent we all ?
[08:34] <dirgedoll> lol
[08:35] <mrvanes> anybody here?
[08:35] <dirgedoll> no
[08:35] <dirgedoll> hehe
[08:35] <soulrider> yes mrvanes
[08:35] <mrvanes> ok
[08:36] <soulrider> dirgedoll: that one never gets old :P
[08:36] <mrvanes> so, I'm trying feist (not the upgrade)
[08:36] <soulrider> hi Daisuke_Ido
[08:36] <intelikey> for someone that cant spell 'i' without leaving out a letter ot two,   i have no business teaching others
[08:36] <dirgedoll> no it never does hehe
[08:36] <mrvanes> and twice had no success using samba
[08:36] <mrvanes> am I the only one?
[08:36] <soulrider> i never had a single issue with samba, it allways worked out fo the box for me
[08:37] <mrvanes> Ok, so look at bug (just wait)
[08:37] <soulrider> it hink im a lucky person, ive had better experiences with linux than with windows, event he support for my hardware ahs been better here tjan in windows
[08:37] <mrvanes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/95460
[08:37] <soulrider> ahh, youre using feisty
[08:37] <mrvanes> this happened exactly 2 times, on 2 completely different machines
[08:38] <mrvanes> one 'real' machine, and one time in a virtual (vmware) machine
[08:38] <soulrider> did you see the second comment ?
[08:38] <mrvanes> well, that's me
[08:38] <soulrider> LOL, didnt see
[08:38] <mrvanes> but I don't think it's wise to have everybody who installs feisty to downgrade to edgy packages
[08:39] <mrvanes> I mean... it's 5 to 12 before release!!!
[08:39] <mrvanes> or however you say that in english ;)
[08:39] <soulrider> mrvanes: maybe its better to talk about thsi with the devs in #ubuntu+1
[08:39] <mrvanes> I'm just a woried ubuntu believer, and would hate to see this bug hit the streets
[08:39] <soulrider> yeah
[08:40] <mrvanes> yeah, well I was just trying to get into this, cause I got worried... will try the other channel then
[08:40] <soulrider> yeah, youll get more feedback there
[08:40] <olimpico> I have a laptop with docking station and I installed Kubuntu, the external monitor works but the Laptop monitor doesn't. Can somone please give me a hint where I can find a Howto configure this?
[08:41] <soulrider> yay, i think this is the first time i see an op in this channel
[08:41] <soulrider> amd i didnt know Tm_T was one
[08:41] <intelikey> !fixres | olimpico
[08:41] <ubotu> olimpico: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:42] <Tm_T> soulrider: ?
[08:42] <soulrider> i cant believe how fast this computer is
[08:42] <soulrider> Tm_T: nothing, didnt mena to bother you :P
[08:42] <mikey> I am following the howto to install ntfs-3g.  1st. step says type "gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" which don't work
[08:42] <soulrider> mikey: youre using KDE ?
[08:42] <Tm_T> soulrider: aah, I'm one of those evils, yes
[08:42] <mikey> yup
[08:42] <intelikey> soulrider jucato nalioth fdoving Tm_T  and lots of others that come in here are all ops
[08:42] <olimpico> intelikey: So every time I undock my laptop I have to restart my X server?
[08:42] <soulrider> mikey: do 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" instead
[08:43] <olimpico> intelikey: there's no other way?
[08:43] <mikey> ok, ty
[08:43] <intelikey> olimpico not that i know of.
[08:43] <soulrider> intelikey: yeah, i just never see them marked as ops, or at leats never noticed
[08:43] <intelikey> olimpico dualhead the thing maybe ?
[08:43] <soulrider> i wonder if hawkwind isnt using ubuntu anymore
[08:44] <olimpico> dualhead?
[08:44] <olimpico> intelikey: What do you mean?
[08:44] <mikey> msg says kate: cannot connect to X server :0
[08:44] <olimpico> intelikey: I didn't understand
[08:44] <intelikey> olimpico yes set it up to display on both at the same time
[08:44] <soulrider> mikey: yeah, dont worry about those errors
[08:44] <soulrider> well, its opening right ?
[08:44] <olimpico> intelikey: I have tried that, but it never works
[08:44] <mikey> nope, finished in term window
[08:44] <nalioth> ... and intelikey makes the bells ring . . .
[08:45] <Tm_T> nalioth: =)
[08:45] <intelikey> on occation
[08:45] <intelikey> :)
[08:45] <olimpico> intelikey: Because the resolution is different for both
[08:45] <ganymed> is there any chance to get the fglrx drivers to work in feisty (due to xorg 7.2)???
[08:46] <mikey> soulrider: any suggestions?
 intelikey: Because the resolution is different for both <<<< is that a lame excuse, or am i missing something ?
[08:46] <intelikey> mikey use nano
[08:46] <mikey> nano...?
[08:46] <intelikey> !nano
[08:46] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[08:47] <superkirbyartist> I've been trying to enable Direct Rendering on my iMac forever.  Can anyone help me please?
[08:47] <intelikey> ganymed someone in the fiesty chan might know   /join #ubuntu+1
[08:48] <BQ-AFK> Hello people.
[08:48] <coreymon77> when is feisty officially being realease as stable
[08:48] <BQ-AFK> I just dled 6.10 and want to install but it seems to be a live cd.
[08:48] <Tm_T> coreymon77: 19.
[08:48] <BQ-AFK> Does it have an install function?
[08:48] <Tm_T> BQ-AFK: yes, in livecd
[08:48] <coreymon77> Tm_T: in 5 days
[08:49] <Tm_T> BQ-AFK: you can use it while you install it ;)
[08:49] <intelikey> BQ-AFK yes, for what it's worth.
[08:49] <BQ-AFK> Tm_T: pardon?
[08:49] <BQ-AFK> Oh I see
[08:49] <BQ-AFK> Its a live session install?
[08:49] <BQ-AFK> Like Puppy Linux
[08:49] <coreymon77> Tm_T: did you mean the 19th of this month?
[08:49] <Tm_T> coreymon77: yes
[08:49] <Tm_T> and yes, 5 days
[08:49] <BQ-AFK> So there is an install option in kmenu?
[08:50] <Tm_T> BQ-AFK: in desktop
[08:50] <BQ-AFK> or is it hidden or a command?
[08:50] <BQ-AFK> Ah ok thanks
[08:50] <intelikey> BQ-AFK supposed to be on the desktop
[08:50] <BQ-AFK> bbs, hopefully.
[08:50] <BQ-AFK> Thank you both
[08:50] <Tm_T> BQ-AFK: come here while you install it, and we'll see ... oh, he's gone
[08:50] <intelikey> loo tate
[08:51] <ganymed> thx. there is a feisty channel? interesting
[08:51] <soulrider> ganymed: yeah, #ubuntu+1
[08:51] <Tm_T> ganymed: sure there is, #ubuntu+1 always helps with development version
[08:51] <soulrider> i beat you :P
[08:52] <intelikey> ganymed actually it's the ubuntu+1 = development channel.   was hoary then breezy then dapper then edgy now feisty and in a month or so ....   what ever is next
[08:52] <soulrider> gutsy gibbon
[08:52] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:52] <soulrider> hi slow-motion
[08:53] <Tm_T> soulrider: intelikey; yes I know, I'm old and slow
[08:53] <slow-motion> hi soulrider
[08:53] <soulrider> how are you slow-motion
[08:53] <intelikey> what did do ?
[08:53] <slow-motion> fine
[08:53] <soulrider> :)
[08:53] <Sephnroth> mm, my friend is trying to install his surround sound stuff and having problem.  hes got all the nvsound stuff compiled and done, the module is loaded.  he cant run "nvmixer" however, permission denied.  if "sudo nvmixer" then file not found.  sshed in as root, chmod 777 nvmixer - then if i try and run from ssh "cant connect to x server" (duh, im using putty in windows) if he does it
[08:53] <Sephnroth> still permission denied
[08:54] <ganymed> intelikey: never used a development version before, so i never recognised :) got my nb back from repairing and thought, it might not pay off to install edgy any more, i mean it's only one week left!
[08:54] <soulrider> theres allways someone older
[08:54] <soulrider> ganymed: yeah, i know what youre thinking
[08:55] <intelikey> ganymed sure   gopherit
[08:55] <mjrclark> if you need to be root to do something but "sudo dosomething" gives file not found, try "sudo -s" to get a root account (might need "fakeroot" installed)
[08:56] <soulrider> !easysource
[08:56] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:56] <ganymed> i mean, how unstable can it be. not more than the release candidate will be anyway ;) you know, it's always time for an update after the upgrade
[08:56] <intelikey> mjrclark sudo -i    :)
[08:56] <Sephnroth> wait, which do i tell him to type?
[08:56] <Sephnroth> -i ?
[08:57] <intelikey> -i is like   su -
[08:57] <mjrclark> both work.
[08:57] <intelikey> man sudo
[08:57] <Sephnroth> sudo -s to get the shell then ,
[08:57] <mjrclark> -s stays in the same directory, -i changes to root's home, from what I can tell.
[08:57] <Sephnroth> ./nvmixer or sudo -s ./nvmixer ?
[08:57] <intelikey> mjrclark correct
[08:58] <mjrclark> sudo -s
[08:58] <mjrclark> then ./nvmixer
[08:58] <intelikey> the tild will expand before the command    sudo ~/nvmixer       assuming home dir
[08:59] <intelikey> full path is the most stable way.   sudo /home/name/filename
[09:00] <Sephnroth> ok so hes done that and hes worked
[09:00] <Sephnroth> for refrance, is he still a super user now?
[09:00] <mjrclark> yeh, type "exit" for exit.
[09:00] <Sephnroth> k
[09:00] <intelikey> prompt will reflect that in most shells
[09:01] <intelikey> whoami also tells ya
[09:01] <intelikey> so would   id
[09:01] <intelikey> but you don't need all the output of id...
[09:03] <intelikey> and the -n switch errors out on this box...  id -n
[09:03] <intelikey> id: cannot print only names or real IDs in default format
[09:04] <intelikey> can anyone confirm that as normal ^ ?
[09:05] <olimpico> Is there a way to restart X server without loosing the KDE session?
[09:05] <intelikey> NightBird what format are they ?
[09:05] <intelikey> olimpico nope.
[09:05] <NightBird> intelikey: hm... the .ini like version...
[09:06] <intelikey> olimpico it can be restored.   if that would suffice
[09:06] <intelikey> NightBird can you dcc me one ?
[09:07] <NightBird> intelikey, I can't(dcc doesn't work through my college's firewall), but you can find alot of examples online
[09:07] <intelikey> NightBird ok.   was just going to check what all might use the same format.   but you can google for it.
[09:07] <mjrclark> intellikey- id -n does that for this fiesty too
[09:07] <olimpico> intelikey: How can you complete restore a KDE session?
[09:08] <intelikey> olimpico it's in the settings.   save session   auto save session restore session upon startup    restore saved session upon startup
[09:08] <jhutchins> intelikey: Confirmed on Mandriva/bash.
[09:09] <intelikey> jhutchins ok.    i wonder why it has switches that don't work per default ?
[09:09] <intelikey> mjrclark thanks.
[09:09] <dirgedoll> be back later.....
[09:11] <intelikey> wow we are above 400 users here.   that's not often seen in #kubuntu
[09:11] <etuxr> anyone know a good distro for somone how has used k/ubuntu for about a year and is looking for soming with more meat?
[09:12] <intelikey> etuxr more meat ?
[09:12] <intelikey> what do you mean ?
[09:13] <etuxr> somthing a bit geekyer with a higher learning curve
[09:13] <mHAris> Hi
[09:13] <Arwen> !sed
[09:13] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[09:13] <Arwen> ...
[09:13] <intelikey> etuxr press  ctrl+alt+f1    and you are as meaty as they get.
[09:13] <HARis> How can I log into root?
[09:14] <etuxr> not that hardcore
[09:14] <intelikey> !root | Haris
[09:14] <ubotu> Haris: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:14] <etuxr> one with a gui but more of a diy kind of thing
[09:14] <liam> when i try to use the adept to install packages i gt the following error -- "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[09:15] <liam> anyone have any ideas what it means?
[09:15] <adaptr> could be a corrupt dpkg database
[09:15] <Tm_T> etuxr: you can do in Kubuntu as much as you like
[09:15] <mjrclark> liam usual if you are doing an in development release.
[09:15] <intelikey> etuxr install windowmaker and log into that
[09:15] <mjrclark> ie fiesty.
[09:15] <Tm_T> etuxr: like, I do build part od KDE to myself, also KDE4 ;)
[09:15] <liam> im using kubuntu at the moment. never used to happen
[09:15] <Tm_T> intelikey: WindowMaker is too easy for someone looking challenge
[09:16] <liam> it just appeared one day!
[09:16] <intelikey> etuxr what i'm trying to get accross here is any linux distro    bar none   can be an adventure or a dooldrum
[09:16] <etuxr> I have been using ubuntu distros for a while but if you start doing things your self they seem to get a bit touchy
[09:16] <Tm_T> liam: try again?
[09:16] <Tm_T> etuxr: touchy?
[09:16] <liam> yeah i have. Various times today and yesterday
[09:16] <mjrclark> liam, (6.10 of 7.04 / edgy or fiesty)?
[09:16] <liam> ill try tomorow. hope its just a day thing
[09:16] <intelikey> etuxr :)       you can break any distro
[09:17] <etuxr> x crashes and kde apps dont work right
[09:17] <liam> edgy
[09:17] <Tm_T> intelikey: no, some distros are broken already
[09:17] <Tm_T> etuxr: then you have done something wrong
[09:17] <intelikey> Tm_T true  but i can even break them
[09:17] <Tm_T> intelikey: you can't break, but you can break more
[09:17] <jhutchins> etuxr: What do you mean "start doing things yourself"?
[09:17] <Tm_T> intelikey: there is difference
[09:18] <etuxr> can any one suggest anything more resiliont?
[09:18] <intelikey> ummmm  you say.
[09:18] <etuxr> comiling source and installing it
[09:18] <intelikey> etuxr less breakable than ubuntu.....    ummmm   no.
[09:18] <etuxr> compiling*
[09:18] <Arwen> etuxr, try um... Debian stable... it's, well, stable...
[09:18] <HarisZ> What's the best way to learn linux? :S
[09:19] <Arwen> HarisZ, by using it
[09:19] <liam> play wiht it i tihnk
[09:19] <intelikey> etuxr gentoo is a compilers * deram
[09:19] <HarisZ> :S
[09:19] <etuxr> kk ill takea look at debain then
[09:19] <liam> break it!
[09:19] <HarisZ> :o
[09:19] <mjrclark> guessing you want us to say a source based distro like gentoo.
[09:19] <etuxr> idk what i want really i feel like looking around though
[09:19] <intelikey> dream even
[09:20] <Arwen> etuxr, Linux From Scratch then
[09:20] <intelikey> etuxr you need to fall into a console and see how it works.     i know you said thats to "hardcore"  but it's not.
[09:21] <intelikey> etuxr it will keep you entertained and you still have the gui to go back to at any time.
[09:21] <etuxr> ok ill give it a try
[09:21] <jhutchins> etuxr: If you install source-compiled programs on a system with package management, you are by definition breaking the system.
[09:21] <borisyaltsin> Hi, what command do I use to figure out what ports are open on the local machine?
[09:22] <intelikey> pick you out a language and code something.
[09:22] <jhutchins> etuxr: You might try linux-from-scratch.
[09:22] <Arwen> the terminal isn't hardcore... awk is...
[09:22] <jhutchins> etuxr: I haven't seen a much support for building your own packages on kubuntu as on Mandriva, but that's a much better option.
[09:22] <HarisZ> How to check
[09:22] <HarisZ> what ubuntu version you are using?
[09:22] <HarisZ> :)
[09:22] <intelikey> borisyaltsin ports are open ?     are you running any servers/services ?
[09:22] <jhutchins> etuxr: Also, you should figure out what you're doing that's breaking things, since you are compiling the packages that cause things to break.
[09:23] <jhutchins> etuxr: You're not going to get around that by going to another distro.
[09:23] <etuxr> Isnt mandriva a pay distro?
[09:23] <HarisZ> How to check what kubuntu version you are using?
[09:23] <borisyaltsin> intelikey: I'm trying to figure out what port my https session for my torrent client is running on on my linux server;)
[09:23] <jhutchins> etuxr: One reason some pakcages are not available in binary format is that they're not sufficiently well made to be alowed on a system, they break things.
[09:23] <pacman> anyone know about thing about trying to move music on and off of a Sansa MP3 player using Kubuntu?
[09:23] <jhutchins> etuxr: No, free just like ubuntu.
[09:24] <jhutchins> etuxr: Optional club memberships and paid support.
[09:24] <Arwen> HarisZ, um... by checking the CD you have?
[09:24] <intelikey> Ahmuck:  nmap ?
[09:24] <etuxr> kk
[09:24] <borisyaltsin> I got it figured. thanks
[09:24] <intelikey> not Ahmuck .
[09:24] <intelikey> borisyaltsin ah; nmap
[09:24] <HarisZ> Version 6.06
[09:24] <HarisZ> :)
[09:24] <intelikey> borisyaltsin nmapfe  is good
[09:25] <borisyaltsin> netstat -ltpn
[09:25] <HarisZ> How to get a MacOSX view for ubuntu?
[09:26] <intelikey> kxdocker - innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker
[09:26] <etuxr> making a kubuntu box look like mac just takes some twiking of the kicker
[09:27] <HarisZ> Thanks! :)
[09:27] <gemidjy> HarisZ: type os x on kde-look.org
[09:28] <HarisZ> How to install applications? I just downloaded Firefox.
[09:28] <HarisZ> =/
[09:28] <gemidjy> use Adept Installer
[09:28] <HarisZ> I'm a linux noob. I'm sorry for dumb questions.
[09:28] <intelikey> dockers and slacks   with tee and cookies       is this linux or a clothing commercial
[09:28] <gemidjy> KMenu -> Add/remove applications
[09:29] <Bderenor> hi everyone
[09:30] <intelikey> !packages | HarisZ
[09:30] <ubotu> HarisZ: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[09:31] <HarisZ> No firefox for KDE?
[09:31] <HarisZ> :O
[09:31] <Bderenor> i have a problem with alsa in kubuntu edgy and feisty, is this the right place to ask soout that ?
[09:31] <intelikey> !ff | HarisZ
[09:31] <ubotu> HarisZ: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[09:31] <Bderenor> i've tried to fix it myself for almost 2 weeks now, so i thought it may be time to bother you guys
[09:32] <intelikey> Bderenor sure.
[09:32] <pacman> anyone know about thing about trying to move music on and off of a Sansa MP3 player using Kubuntu?
[09:32] <intelikey> Bderenor been to the wiki about it ?
[09:32] <intelikey> !sound | Bderenor
[09:32] <ubotu> Bderenor: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[09:33] <Arwen> man, the wine repository doesn't have feisty editions yet...
[09:33] <intelikey> feisty is not released yet
[09:33] <Bderenor> intelikey: oh yes. i've done abozt 3 days of google searching. the problem has nothing to do with arts. i've useed linux for five years and kubuntu for one year now, so i guess i'm not a total newbie
[09:33] <intelikey> why should it
[09:34] <Bderenor> intelikey: its a problem with the snd-hda-intel module
[09:34] <intelikey> Bderenor k, spell it out.
[09:34] <Bderenor> intelikey: sounds basically working, but the laptops internal speakers are muted, sound only works through the headphones
[09:35] <Bderenor> intelikey: alsmixer shows everything to be at maximum
[09:35] <HarisZ> Even after changing permissions to /opt/ folder
[09:35] <HarisZ> I can't copy/paste files.
[09:35] <Bderenor> intelikey: i've also tried every model the latest alsa-implementation has for snd-hda-intel
[09:35] <Bderenor> intelikey: no luck
[09:35] <intelikey> Bderenor  snd-hda-codec  is inserted ?
[09:36] <Bderenor> intelikey: yup
[09:36] <intelikey> !sudo | HarisZ
[09:36] <ubotu> HarisZ: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:36] <HarisZ> Oh, when I change permissions for the folder, it says  access denied to /opt/
[09:36] <Bderenor> intelikey: snd                    56324  11 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[09:37] <SkullCrusher> Is the FireFox Browser safer/better then the Konqueror Browser?
[09:37] <intelikey> Bderenor install aumix  and run it see if the speekers can be adjusted there.    and let me study on this a bit.
[09:38] <Bderenor> ok thx
[09:38] <Bderenor> intelikey: i will do that
[09:38] <vein> hello all
[09:38] <Bderenor> hi
[09:39] <Bderenor> intelikey: uhm. is there an ubuntu package for aumix?
[09:39] <vein> who can tell me how to use irc when my office lan just open port 80?
[09:39] <intelikey> Bderenor yes
[09:39] <intelikey> !info aumix
[09:39] <ubotu> aumix: Simple text-based mixer control program. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.8-17 (edgy), package size 75 kB, installed size 440 kB
[09:40] <Bderenor> intelikey: i guess it's not in the feisty repository yet?
[09:41] <Bderenor> intelikey: no matter. i'll just install it from source
[09:41] <vein> anybody can tell me?
[09:41] <HarisZ> how to change folder permissions through terminal?
[09:41] <HarisZ> what are the commands.
[09:42] <vein> chmod
[09:42] <etuxr> anyone use a lossless music format, and what program are you using to play it?
[09:42] <Tm_T> Amarok for all, lossless or lossy
[09:42] <Bderenor> HarisZ: chmod +rwx to set read/write/execute permissions for the owner of the file
[09:43] <HarisZ> and what about other users?
[09:43] <Bderenor> HarisZ: chown to change the owner
[09:43] <Bderenor> HarisZ: o+rwx for other users
[09:43] <SilentDis> hello :)
[09:43] <Bderenor> hi :)
[09:43] <Tm_T> Bderenor: no, +rwx will change for all IIRC by default
[09:44] <Bderenor> Tm_T: hmm... *looks at manpage*
[09:44] <vein> chmod xxx is more better
[09:44] <SilentDis> just curious, does anyone have any idea how large the update will be for Edgy > Feisty?  I'm on dialup, and shipit only sends Desktop CDs, not alternate CDs
[09:44] <Cosmo_> I keep seeing in screenshots what looks like an applet with all kinds of system info like CPU speed, ram usage ect but I cant seem to find it
[09:44] <Bderenor> Tm_T: ah, youre right
[09:44] <Arwen> SilentDis, 700M-1GB
[09:44] <Tm_T> SilentDis: depends, might be ~500 MB or waaay more
[09:45] <Arwen> SilentDis, over dialup that's about 3 days :-)
[09:45] <raptor_hs> I need a ubuntu/debian repository for nvidia's ORIGINAL drivers?
[09:45] <HarisZ> BAH
[09:45] <HarisZ> What's the URL for the /opt/
[09:45] <Bderenor> HarisZ: sorry, u+rwx changes for the owner, g+rwx for users in the same group, o+rwx for users not in the group, a+rwx or +rwx for all
[09:45] <Arwen> raptor_hs, why not just download them manually?
[09:45] <etuxr> another music related question. Whats a good Music player for use with linux?
[09:45] <Tm_T> raptor_hs: what you mean by original?
[09:45] <Bderenor> afk
[09:45] <Bderenor> etuxr: amarok
[09:45] <Tm_T> etuxr: Amarok
[09:45] <intelikey> all the great beirded ones use octal perms    chmod 755 dir/
[09:45] <Bderenor> !info amarok
[09:45] <Arwen> etuxr, amarok
[09:45] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 14370 kB, installed size 31288 kB
[09:45] <SilentDis> Arwen: i know.  this is gonna hurt, as I have 3 machines, all running different flavors, Xubuntu, Ubuntu, and Kubuntu
[09:45] <etuxr> sorry MP3 player
[09:45] <SilentDis> etuxr: I love Amarok :)
[09:46] <Arwen> SilentDis, buy a broadband line?
[09:46] <Cosmo_> will I just need to upgrade through the package manager when fiesty goes live?
[09:46] <Tm_T> etuxr: where's difference?
[09:46] <SilentDis> Arwen: if it was that simple, i would have already trust me.  it's just not available where i live :(
[09:46] <Arwen> SilentDis, move?
[09:46] <etuxr> ipod is an mp3 palyer
[09:46] <etuxr> but an ipod inst supported with linux
[09:46] <Arwen> etuxr, ipods don't play mp3 from what I recall?
[09:46] <Tm_T> etuxr: you mean mp3 player device
[09:46] <Arwen> doesn't the software transcode mp3 to aac?
[09:46] <intelikey> Bderenor what brand did you say your lappy is ?
[09:47] <Tm_T> or, music player device
[09:47] <HarisZ> It says /media/hdc3/opt no such file
[09:47] <HarisZ> =/
[09:47] <SilentDis> Arwen: lol.  I choose freedom and privacy over broadband.  I'm on 10 acres of rolling fields and forests :)
[09:47] <Arwen> SilentDis, satellite internet?
[09:47] <etuxr> Arwin yes they do but i woan tone that works nativly on linux
[09:47] <Tm_T> etuxr: AND iPod works with Amarok
[09:47] <Arwen> etuxr, you can use rockbox to fix the iPod software
[09:47] <raptor_hs> I need kernel 1.7184 restricted
[09:47] <intelikey> Bderenor and you should also post your issue in #ubuntu+1   the development channel.
[09:47] <Tm_T> Arwen: that's not always alternative
[09:47] <raptor_hs> the glx works OK
[09:48] <Arwen> Tm_T, why?
[09:48] <raptor_hs> but I cannot find the kernel
[09:48] <intelikey> Bderenor ?
[09:48] <SilentDis> Arwen: I play MMOs, and the 3000ms pingtime is very unappealing.  Also, startup costs are around $300, and you're stuck in a 2yr contract, with very hefty limits on how much data you can pull
[09:48] <etuxr> but if you brick an ipod and you use linux thay DO refuse to fix it
[09:48] <raptor_hs> I am with an old MX440
[09:48] <raptor_hs> but gold :)
[09:48] <Arwen> SilentDis, ah well, guess you're fscked?
[09:48] <raptor_hs>  kubuntu 7.04
[09:48] <fusspils> anyone else had any Intel 2200bg wifi card problems on Feisty after a recent update?
[09:49] <Arwen> fusspils, #ubuntu+1
[09:49] <Bderenor> intelikey: re
[09:49] <Tm_T> raptor_hs: #ubuntu+1 for that
[09:49] <Arwen> also, nope
[09:49] <SilentDis> Arwen: very.  I'm hoping that amazon ends up with the DVDs again.  I'd rather 'pay' canocal directly for 'em to ship 'em to me though, supporting the cause and all
[09:49] <intelikey> Bderenor what brand did you say your lappy is ?
[09:49] <Arwen> SilentDis, hehe
[09:49] <raptor_hs> 10x
[09:49] <Arwen> even with a CD as reference, it still usually hits 100-200M :-\
[09:49] <Bderenor> intelikey: i didn't ;). my laptop is an lg
[09:49] <intelikey> k
[09:50] <Bderenor> intelikey: but the lg configuration does not exist for the ALC883 model
[09:50] <SilentDis> Arwen: I can do 200mb while i'm at work and again that night as I sleep.  that doesn't hurt too much ;)
[09:50] <ash211> fusspils: haven't noticed anything
[09:50] <jhutchins> It's kind of a silly distinction, as Feisty will (probably) be official next week, we're going to have to get up to speed with it.  They did have a major kernel break this week though, so it's not quite ready for play.
[09:50] <Arwen> SilentDis, other than not being able to us your phone or the interwebs while you're doing that?
[09:50] <chamikal> Hi there
[09:50] <Bderenor> intelikey: this is weird, lspci claims the soundcard to be a ALC8280 model, but in dmesg it says ALC883 when it does not find the model specified in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:50] <Bderenor> hi
[09:50] <Arwen> jhutchins, a kernel break? what was that about? I didn't notice...
[09:50] <SilentDis> Arwen: I use cell phone for most communication.  yes, browsing won't work, unless I throttle apt-get
[09:51] <chamikal> I was wandering if desktop-effects works on Kubuntu Feisty ?
[09:51] <Tm_T> chamikal: yes
[09:51] <Arwen> chamikal, yes.... they will? but you should use beryl anyway?
[09:51] <intelikey> Bderenor lshw | less
[09:51] <Tm_T> Arwen: isn't it the same? ;)
[09:51] <jhutchins> Arwen: #ubuntu+1 topic: "Large parts of feisty were broken, Including booting, and a 403 on the kernel. 2.6.20-15.25 fixes these."
[09:51] <chamikal> I didn't find the entry
[09:52] <sylvestre> Bonjour, francophones ?
[09:52] <chamikal> on the menu
[09:52] <Arwen> jhutchins, more details?
[09:52] <SkullCrusher> How do i get/install firefox?
[09:52] <SilentDis> !fr | sylvestre
[09:52] <ubotu> sylvestre: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:52] <Arwen> I read the fscking topic, btw
[09:52] <Tm_T> chamikal: dunno if they are installed by default
[09:52] <Arwen> SkullCrusher, apt-get install firefox ?
[09:52] <Tm_T> chamikal: #ubuntu+1 for feisty support until release
[09:52] <sylvestre> merci mais
[09:52] <chamikal> oops sorry
[09:52] <Bderenor> intelikey: product: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
[09:52] <ses> or use adept manager to install firefox
[09:52] <jhutchins> Arwen: It's a bunch of things, sound card support, video support, other issues.  Mostly to do with clean-up of kludges and old hardware support.
[09:53] <intelikey> Bderenor then id say use that as accurate
[09:53] <Arwen> jhutchins, ah, I didn't notice :-)
[09:53] <Bderenor> intelikey: uhm, since i will be installing aumix from source, is there a quick way to build the dependencies?
[09:53] <SkullCrusher> Is the FireFox Browser safer/better then the Konqueror Browser?
[09:53] <jhutchins> Arwen: Yeah, well, works-for-me you know.  Lot of people broken, lot of people not broken.
[09:53] <Arwen> SkullCrusher, depends?
[09:53] <Bderenor> intelikey: problem is, that device does not exist in the list for alsa-models for the snd-hda-intel driver
[09:53] <intelikey> Bderenor you don't need to bother.   i think the driver is the issue.
[09:53] <Bderenor> intelikey: ok
[09:53] <Arwen> jhutchins, hmm, was there a list of hardware affected?
[09:53] <sylvestre> how can I stop the automatic launch of Kontact at the starting of Kubuntu ?
[09:54] <intelikey> Bderenor ndiswarper
[09:54] <SkullCrusher> Arwen: depends on what?
[09:54] <jhutchins> Arwen: Have you ever seen such a thing?  It was a collection of problems, not a specified break.
[09:54] <Bderenor> intelikey: that's an nice typo ;)
[09:54] <Arwen> intelikey, you can use ndiswrapper on sound drivers??
[09:54] <Arwen> jhutchins, ah
[09:54] <intelikey> Bderenor again let me again stress that   #ubuntu+1  is the development channel.
[09:54] <jhutchins> Nobody EVER admits to everything that was broken <grin>.
[09:54] <Bderenor> intelikey: think that'll work? isn't it totally unstable (so i've heard)
[09:55] <Bderenor> intelikey: ok, i'll go there
[09:55] <intelikey> Arwen that's what i just read on a forum
[09:55] <Bderenor> intelikey: goodbye, and thanks for all the fish ;)
[09:55] <sylvestre> who can help me ?
[09:55] <Tm_T> sylvestre: hmm, do you close it from menu -> file -> quit
[09:55] <intelikey> Bderenor in the ubuntu forums the talk about using ndiswrapper for a sound driver   so you might mention that.
[09:55] <jhutchins> sylvestre: How would we know without knowing what's wrong?
[09:56] <intelikey> Bderenor gooday mate and good luck to your penguin
[09:56] <Bderenor> intelikey: thanks, i'll do that
[09:56] <intelikey> and on that note.  it's time for me to scat.
[09:56] <jhutchins> sylvestre: Sorry, I see your question now.  Probably close kontact, log out, then try logging in again.
[09:56] <sylvestre> you mean, I have to quit proprerly before shut down in other case it'll start automatically at the next session ?
[09:57] <jhutchins> sylvestre: That's the best way I know of.
[09:57] <Tm_T> sylvestre: yes, if it is running in background, it get started
[09:57] <jhutchins> sylvestre: I think you can set kde to start with a blank session somewhere though.
[09:57] <Tm_T> jhutchins: bit too hard in this case imo
[09:57] <sylvestre> thanks. I'll try.
[09:57] <jhutchins> sylvestre: kde defaults to "restoring" your last session, which means starting everything that was running.
[09:58] <sylvestre> understand. Many thanks
[09:58] <Tm_T> sylvestre: closing it from titlebar X will only close the window, not whole app in this case I think
[09:58] <jhutchins> Tm_T: Again, that's configurable, but it's the default.
[09:58] <Tm_T> jhutchins: yes, and here we need to expect defaults ;(
[09:59] <ses> finally managed to install envy and now I cant boot into a GUI desktop but if I choose previous kernel entry in Grub it boots fine and nvidia driver is installed ? any ideas on fixing the default choice or should I just modify grub to start up the other one that works
[09:59] <Tm_T> what is envy?
[09:59] <jhutchins> ses: You mean like edit /boot/grub/menu.list and change the defaults?
[09:59] <ses> unofficial installer for video cards
[09:59] <Tm_T> ah, there it is, unofficial ;)
[10:00] <sylvestre> Another question : is it possible to save all the parameters of the desktop to install them on an other PC with Kubuntu installee?
[10:00] <ses> well all the official ways have the same results
[10:00] <Arwen> Tm_T, it's a cruddy script that tries to be automatix for binary drivers
[10:00] <Tm_T> Arwen: sounds evil
[10:01] <Tm_T> sylvestre: hmm, sorta, you can copy your settings over
[10:01] <ses> works fine on older kernel only way i've managed to install a video card driver properely
[10:01] <ash211> Arwen: I've had good luck with envy
[10:01] <sylvestre> Tmt : how can I do that ?
[10:01] <Tm_T> sylvestre: copy ~/.kde dir
[10:01] <Sephnroth> is there any sort of third party option to browse and interact with files on a linux formatted partition from windows?
[10:01] <Tm_T> sylvestre: but better not have anything personal set up yet
[10:02] <ash211> Sephnroth: http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[10:02] <sylvestre> but I want to save personnal set up !
[10:03] <SkullCrusher> Does anyone know how many MegaBytes xubuntu takes up on the HD after its installed?
[10:03] <Tm_T> sylvestre: then keep them there ;)
[10:04] <sylvestre> OK
[10:04] <ses> how do I access the directories from the command line so I can change my x config file
[10:04] <Tm_T> !commandline | ses
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commandline - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <Tm_T> hmh
[10:04] <ash211> !cli | ses
[10:04] <ubotu> ses: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:04] <ses> command prompt
[10:04] <sylvestre> Thanks everybody. See you later.
[10:04] <Tm_T> Arwen: thanks sir
[10:04] <Tm_T> ash211: even =)
[10:05] <vince_> ALT-F2 > konsole
[10:05] <Arwen> Tm_T, huh? for what?
[10:05] <ses> cant access desktop boots into bash: prompt
[10:05] <Tm_T> Arwen: whatever
[10:05] <Arwen> lolz
[10:05] <Tm_T> ses: cd /to/your/dir
[10:05] <ses> cant cd to anywhere apart from desktop
[10:06] <Tm_T> er?
[10:06] <Tm_T> ses: cd /
[10:06] <Tm_T> and you are in root of your filesystem
[10:06] <ses> tried that i just get a > prompt
[10:06] <jhutchins> Is he dealing with the hidden filesystem?
[10:07] <Tm_T> no idea
[10:07] <jhutchins> ses: /, not \.
[10:07] <ses> tried both
[10:07] <Tm_T> =)
[10:07] <jhutchins> ses: \ is line continuation.  Hit enter to escape it.
[10:08] <jhutchins> ses: cd ~/ should take you to your home directory.
[10:08] <ses> ok boot gets me to prompt to a non GUI log in coz the driver is lost or something
[10:08] <jhutchins> ses: Isn't that great?  If this were windows, there'd be nothing you could do.
[10:08] <ses> and then i cant get any further than my desktop folder
[10:09] <ses> if this was windows i'd just press F8 and go in and fix the graphics driver :)
[10:09] <soulrider> ses:  you tried cd .. _
[10:09] <soulrider> ?
[10:09] <jhutchins> ses: so log in, do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[10:09] <soulrider> that will go up a directory
[10:10] <ses> will try in a mo, when i find pen and paper
[10:11] <ses> boots no problem into other kernel entry in grub!!!!!
[10:12] <ses> bbl
[10:14] <vince_> REGISTER icepik69
[10:14] <vince_> SET
[10:14] <Raytray> Heh
[10:15] <Raytray> Try a /
[10:15] <vince_> IDENTIFY
[10:15] <Tm_T> !register | vince_
[10:15] <ubotu> vince_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:15] <angasule> please, oh, please, can someone tell me why some multimedia keys seem to be hardcoded? I can't change it from the shortcuts part of the settings
[10:15] <vince_> thanks
[10:15] <vince_> !register | vince_1979
[10:15] <ubotu> vince_1979: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:19] <Cosmo_> is there any way I can get linux to rcognize my microsoft internet keyboard pro extra buttons like my media player controls ect?
[10:21] <nixternal> !info khotkeys
[10:21] <ubotu> Package khotkeys does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[10:22] <ses> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org, came back with that xserver wasnt installed and sudo ect/init.d/kdm start was a none starter
[10:22] <nixternal> !info feisty khotkeys
[10:22] <ubotu> Package feisty does not exist in edgy
[10:22] <nixternal> that isn't the package I thought it was
[10:22] <nixternal> !keytouch > Cosmo_
[10:23] <jhutchins> ses: Seems pretty self-explanitory to me.
[10:23] <nixternal> Cosmo_: there is a front end to that where you can select your keyboard
[10:24] <jhutchins> ses: Enable all repos, aptitude update, aptitude install kubuntu-desktop, see what happens.
[10:24] <ses> indulge me <---- linux noob
[10:24] <jhutchins> ses: Ok, at the command line, logged in, do "sudo aptitude update" (without the quotes).
[10:25] <jhutchins> ses: When it's done, do "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" (again, without the quotes).
[10:25] <vinces1979> ses: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:25] <ses> I've tried manually starting the desktop but it says there is a driver missing
 ses: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg tried no such packet
[10:26] <SkullCrusher> How do i find out what active internet connections i have in Kubuntu?
[10:26] <vinces1979> ses:you said org b4
[10:26] <Cosmo_> nixternal: how do I go about doing that?
[10:26] <ses> ahhhh didnt notice the x :)
[10:26] <nixternal> install it via Adept
[10:29] <soulrider> is there a way to play WMV files in firefox ?
[10:29] <ses> bbl
[10:30] <Tm_T> soulrider: with some player, like vlc perhaps
[10:30] <ericsson> Greetings ppl
[10:30] <vinces1979> soulrider: mplayer will if you have codecs
[10:30] <ericsson> Anyone got time to help a fresh kbuntu user get .mp3 running?
[10:30] <soulrider> awesome
[10:31] <ericsson> did install libxine but still no joy
[10:31] <vinces1979> ericson: you can use autoamtix
[10:31] <ash211> !mp3 | ericsson
[10:31] <ubotu> ericsson: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:32] <ericsson> have been through those :/
[10:32] <jhutchins> !automatics | vinces1979
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automatics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <ericsson> what is that autoamtix though?
[10:32] <jhutchins> !automatix | vinces1979
[10:32] <ubotu> vinces1979: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:32] <vinces1979> ericson: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Automatix2_on_Ubuntu.2C_Kubuntu.2C_and_Xubuntu
[10:32] <ash211> where is mp3 not working?
[10:33] <ubunturos> !compiz
[10:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:33] <soulrider> !info lirc
[10:33] <ubotu> lirc: Linux Infra-red Remote Control support. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.0-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 308 kB, installed size 1544 kB
[10:33] <jhutchins> vinces1979: If it breaks his system, you have to help him reinstall.
[10:33] <ericsson> ash211: trying to run through Amarok (no luck getting xmms running) but it keeps telling me to install libxine-extracodecs even though they are installed
[10:33] <vinces1979> jhutchins: been really good for the last 6 months
[10:34] <N6REJ> can anyone help me get vmware-server working?
[10:34] <ash211> ericsson: try restarting amarok first
[10:34] <ericsson> not used to GUI at all :/
[10:34] <ubunturos> will feisty fawn come with Beryl pre-installed?
[10:34] <ash211> ubunturos: no
[10:35] <ubunturos> um
[10:35] <vinces1979> ubunturos: mabe gusty
[10:35] <ubunturos> vinces1979: ahan, interesting
[10:35] <jhutchins> ubunturos: What monitor do you have?
[10:35] <ubunturos> jhutchins: Samsung 56E
[10:35] <jhutchins> ubunturos: How big?
[10:35] <ubunturos> 15"
[10:36] <ash211> ubunturos: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html for gutsy announcement, including delay of beryl
[10:36] <vinces1979> N6REJ: for, look what I can do
[10:36] <ericsson> ash211: Now I feel like a complete '''', restaring Amarok was the key :)
[10:36] <ubunturos> ash211: thank
[10:36] <ubunturos> thankyou
[10:36] <jhutchins> ericsson: YAY!
[10:36] <Tm_T> ericsson: :)
[10:36] <ericsson> like a true simpson would say: DOH!
[10:36] <ash211> ericsson: at least it's working now!
[10:36] <N6REJ> vinces1979: I mean doesn't it gain you ANYTHING? or is it simply a skin?
[10:37] <ericsson> thnx guys...now I can explore kubuntu WITH music :)
[10:37] <ubunturos> N6REJ: people in India, (Mumbai) are crazy about Vista's aero and the other stuff. A Linux equvivalent should tell them, vista is not alone
[10:37] <jhutchins> N6REJ: It does give you some new ways to move around from window to window.
[10:37] <vinces1979> N6REJ: Window manager replacement, with some nice features, alot of animtaions(like vista)
[10:37] <ash211> i didn't want to have to deal with another bug report against amarok
[10:37] <vinces1979> animations
[10:38] <jhutchins> It's not just animations though, locating and interacting with multiple windows is enhanced.
[10:38] <jhutchins> It's eye candy to compete with vista, but as is typical with linux it's also useful.
[10:38] <vinces1979> alot F8 has nice window selector
[10:38] <jhutchins> ubunturos: Your graphics card is doing most of the work.
[10:39] <ubunturos> jhutchins: the graphics card is sharing memory from RAM, isn't it?
[10:40] <jhutchins> ubunturos: Many have their own ram.
[10:40] <ubunturos> jhutchins: and those that have, have enough?
[10:40] <ericsson> oops..
[10:41] <jhutchins> ubunturos: Video ram is typically much faster.  Obviously, some have enough and some don't, that's why some work and some don't.
[10:41] <jhutchins> ericsson: Did you do that?
[10:41] <ericsson> nope...not guilty
[10:41] <ubunturos> jhutchins: ok
[10:41] <ericsson> not often a net-split like that nowadays...
[10:42] <ericsson> not often one is seen I meant..
[10:42] <ubunturos> woho! is this a regular feature?
[10:43] <Hc\\> hmm
[10:43] <jhutchins> Ah, routing problem in the UK.
[10:43] <jhutchins> Freenode has several servers there, about 2,500 users affected.
[10:44] <ash211_> jhutchins: so that blackout there wasn't on my end
[10:44] <jhutchins> ash211_: Prob'ly not.
[10:48] <kilrae> beryl magically started working again, yay!
[10:48] <kilrae> i can be productive once more
[10:49] <christian> hi someone here?
[10:50] <christian> jemand da??
[10:50] <q_> niemand :)
[10:51] <christian> hi hast du ne ahnung von beryl?
[10:51] <jhutchins> kilrae: What type & size monitor do you have?
[10:51] <kilrae> CRT 19"
[10:51] <jhutchins> !de | christian
[10:51] <ubotu> christian: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:52] <kilrae> or is this a 21", i never measured
[10:52] <kilrae> jhutchins: CRT 19 or 21, don't have measuring tape, why?
[10:53] <jhutchins> kilrae: Close enough.  I'm gathering an unscientific survey that bets that's the minimum for beryl enthusiasm.
[10:53] <reuben> i upgraded to feisty, and two of my hard drives are missing
[10:53] <reuben> e.g.
[10:53] <reuben> sudo mount /mm1
[10:53] <reuben> mount: special device /dev/disk/by-uuid/e19a4234-d7e3-45a7-b369-b6c1724ba0c6 does not exist
[10:54] <reuben> the disks do exist in /dev/disk/by-path, just not in /dev/disk/by-uuid
[10:54] <reuben> any ideas?
[10:55] <ericsson> reuben: they been eaten by Vista
[10:55] <reuben> i don't have vista
[10:55] <ses> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg worked,  but clueless as to what to put in the boxes
[10:55] <ericsson> fortunatly..
[10:56] <ericsson> no BIOS changes since upgrade?
[10:56] <_4strO> reuben:paste sudo fdisk -l
[10:56] <reuben> nope. they show up fine in the bios. here's a weird part: they showed during install (in qtparted or whatever) and after the first reboot. but not subsequently
[10:56] <reuben> they're missing from fdisk -l also
[10:57] <_4strO> ???
[10:57] <ses> at least you can find a disk I can only find my home folder
[10:57] <_4strO> did you unplugged some HD ?
[10:57] <_4strO> llol
[10:58] <reuben> no, no hardware changed :D ... initially i just did a dist-upgrade, and that lost them, so i tried an install from cd...which found them, but only for one reboot like i said
[10:58] <ericsson> reuben: what filesystem is it one the disks?
[10:58] <reuben> ext3
[10:58] <ericsson> huh, me spell like cro-mango-ape
[10:59] <vinces1979> ses:leave blank for defaults should get you running
[11:00] <_4strO> reuben: sudo fdisk -l (with sudo ;)
[11:00] <_4strO> did you do that ?
[11:00] <BQ-AFK> Hi people
[11:00] <BQ-AFK> I'm trying to boot to LTS but all I get is a black screen when x starts
[11:00] <reuben> _4stro, i did, and they're not here...but i'll paste for ya
[11:00] <reuben> sudo fdisk -l
[11:01] <reuben> Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB, 40037760000 bytes
[11:01] <BQ-AFK> I've tried vide=etc but it didn't work
[11:01] <reuben> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4867 cylinders
[11:01] <reuben> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[11:01] <reuben>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[11:01] <reuben> /dev/sda1               1         131     1052226   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[11:01] <reuben> /dev/sda2             132        4867    38041920    5  Extended
[11:01] <reuben> /dev/sda5             132         513     3068383+  83  Linux
[11:01] <reuben> /dev/sda6             514        3062    20474811   83  Linux
[11:01] <reuben> /dev/sda7   *        3063        4867    14498631   83  Linux
[11:01] <jhutchins> !fixres | BQ-AFK
[11:01] <ubotu> BQ-AFK: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:01] <BQ-AFK> jhutchins: thanks
[11:01] <jhutchins> BQ-AFK: Good luck!
[11:02] <BQ-AFK> I'll keep trying
[11:02] <BQ-AFK> don't want to trash this little machine
 same sort of thing here
[11:02] <ericsson> huh, difficult to get used to GUI :)
[11:02] <BQ-AFK> Were you able to fix it?
[11:03] <jhutchins> reuben: What kind of drives are they supposed to be ?
[11:03] <BQ-AFK> Trouble getting it running
[11:03] <ses> thats why i'm here
[11:03] <jhutchins> ericsson: So use CLI.
[11:03] <jhutchins> ericsson: The Linux command line is a powerful tool.
[11:03] <jhutchins> ericsson: lynx, irssi.
[11:03] <ericsson> how does one get rid of that little blue annoying half-translucent bl**dy box when dragging wind*s around?
[11:03] <ses> had it running then tried installing video card driver and then no gui
[11:03] <jhutchins> ericsson: Configure Desktop
[11:04] <BQ-AFK> ses: good luck
[11:04] <jhutchins> reuben: Hello?
[11:04] <ericsson> jhutchins: used c-l since odd 93 or something..
[11:04] <reuben> jhutchins: one is SATA... they're both large ~200GB...ext3
[11:04] <BQ-AFK> Going to dive into it again
[11:04] <ses> is working when i choose oth kernel version in grub with driver
[11:04] <jhutchins> reuben: If fdisk isn't seeing them, then the hardware drivers are probably missing.
[11:05] <jhutchins> ses: Your video drivers have to match the kernel.
[11:05] <jhutchins> ses: You either have to recompile or reinstall them every time the kernel is upgraded.
[11:05] <reuben> jhutchins: i don't think that's it. they showed up once right after install.... but let me look... what are the drivers called?
[11:05] <jhutchins> reuben: Don't know, don't know what you have.
[11:06] <ses> i havent upgraded as far as I know
[11:06] <jhutchins> ses: You said you had different kernel entries in grub.
[11:06] <ericsson> Oh thank god I got rid of that box-thingy...
[11:06] <ses> w98 was better
[11:07] <ericsson> thnx again jhutchins
[11:07] <jhutchins> ericsson: You might be very happy with xfce.  KDE is a bit, um, lush for a command line junkie.
[11:07] <ericsson> jhutchins: kinda getting that feeling ;)
[11:07] <ses> how do i acces the drive so i can change my x-config from this kernel
[11:08] <ericsson> but again, would be fun to see what all the hype is about..
[11:08] <ses> i have a backup somewhere, whats the linux equivant of my computer :)
[11:10] <jhutchins> ses: Well, log in on the console?  Or boot to the other kernel.
[11:10] <ses> i like this kernel, it works
[11:10] <ses> :)
[11:10] <jhutchins> ericsson: The biggest thing I use right now that's kde specific is the fish filesyste, which allows direct access of files via scp.
[11:10] <ses> can it be done from terminal
[11:11] <jhutchins> ses: I'm really not sure of the specifics, I just generally understand what's going on, but yes, ANYTHING can be done from the terminal.
[11:13] <ericsson> fish? Is that like some ssh version for kde or something?
[11:14] <jhutchins> ericsson: Once you log in you can browse the files just as if they were local.  I use it with Quanta when working on web sites.
[11:14] <ericsson> sounds pretty much like ssh/ssl to me...
[11:15] <ses> ok before i installed the driver i made a backup, after i installed the driver I could no longer get to a graphical desktop and I cant seem to get anywhere except my home folder. I have booted into 2.6-10-generic instead of 2.6.17-11-generic and everything works fine including the driver. I still dont know how to get to the ect folder so ican re-instate my back-up file
[11:15] <yotux> is 64 bit kubuntu mature enough for everday user ?
[11:15] <ses> I would re-install but that would make 6 times today
[11:16] <yotux> ses:  what is wrong?
[11:16] <ses> installing a graphics driver should be a lot easier
[11:16] <yotux> sorry just got in
[11:16] <ses> 64bit kubuntu i think
[11:17] <ses> :)
[11:17] <yotux> nvidia?
[11:17] <yotux> or ati drivers?
[11:17] <ses> installed driver and boots to command prompt although works fine if I choose older kernel in grub
[11:17] <ses> nvidia
[11:18] <ericsson> with kubunt and GUI it comes to show that 32mb video isn't that much anymore :)
[11:18] <yotux> So did you install the drivers before you installed the new kernel?
[11:18] <smarter> hi
[11:18] <ses> erm i didnt insatall a new kernel
[11:19] <changuitofeo> Quick question.  I'm trying to 'cd' into a dir on a mounted windows partition, the dir has a space in the name and i can't seem to get in.  Any ideas? Thanks.
[11:19] <smarter> I've recently upgraded to feisty and now the hotkeys of my laptop don't work
[11:19] <yotux> ses:  then why did you post that you have two different kernels?
[11:19] <ses> theres two in grub 2.6.17-11 and 2.6.17-10
[11:20] <jhutchins> ses: Which one works?
[11:20] <ses> 2.6.17-10
[11:20] <yotux> chag...:  "/usr dir"
[11:20] <changuitofeo> thanks yotux
[11:20] <_4strO> changuitofeo: put an \ in front of your space just\ like\ this\ ^^
[11:20] <yotux> np
[11:20] <jhutchins> go into /boot/grub/menu.list, change the default to -10, get on with lief.
[11:21] <jhutchins> ses go into /boot/grub/menu.list, change the default to -10, get on with life.
[11:21] <jhutchins> ses: It's not ubuntu's fault, the video card companies are not supplying OS drivers.
[11:21] <ses> makes sense to me if I could get to /boot/grub/menu.list
[11:21] <jhutchins> ses: Why wouldn't you be able to?
[11:21] <smarter> anyone to help me?
[11:21] <ses> agreed
[11:22] <yotux> smarter: I think it is a package that maybe missing not sure
[11:22] <vinces1979> ses:sudo nano /boot//grub/menu.lst
[11:23] <hak5fan> I'm trying to set up a local apt repo I'm using this guide: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Personal_Apt_Repository but I don't want to run my own webserver to do it therefore I share my apt folder by using some mini app I found in kde (right click on folder - sharing - share with the web). The problem is I can't set it to listen at port 80. Any Ideas on how to do this?
[11:23] <smarter> yotux: I'm using a fresh install of kubuntu, and hotkey-setup is present
[11:23] <jhutchins> hak5fan: Follow the directions.
[11:24] <smarter> hak5fan: just use file://where/is/my/repo instead of http:// and don't share the folder with the web
[11:24] <hak5fan> smarter: that's smarter lol
[11:24] <yotux> smarter:  i have not played with this yet.  I have found a forum post link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27039
[11:24] <smarter> hak5fan: thx ^^
[11:25] <smarter> yotux: but theses keys worked out of the box with edgy
[11:25] <jhutchins> smarter: This is the edgy support channel.  Feisty is in #ubuntu+1
[11:25] <smarter> okay
[11:25] <yotux> smarter:  when there is code change something get broken
[11:26] <jhutchins> That's one of the reasons Feisty isn't official yet.
[11:26] <yotux> gotta love those betas
[11:26] <yotux> its been fun later everyone
[11:26] <jhutchins> Thanks yotux!
[11:27] <yotux> np later
[11:28] <dirgedoll> quick question 3 year old shut off my computer and now everything is ginormous, how do i get things to look like im not visually impaired?
[11:28] <hak5fan> smarter: And the file path should point to where the Packages.gz is located am I right?
[11:29] <ses> how do i explore my hard drive
[11:29] <adaptr> dirgedoll: press ctrl-alt-+ to cycle through resolutions
[11:29] <ericsson> ses: cd & ls works
[11:30] <ses> not for me
[11:30] <hak5fan> ses: or use a file manager like konqueror
[11:30] <dirgedoll> that didnt do anything
[11:30] <ses> i can only see home folder
[11:30] <smarter> hak5fan: I haven't played with this since a long time but I don't think so
[11:31] <ericsson> kaffeine 0.8.3, can't increase brightness when playing standard dvd's...ideas?
[11:31] <adaptr> dirgedoll: then you'll have to edit xorg.conf
[11:31] <hak5fan> smarter: ok only two possibilities so I know where to point it I think
[11:31] <_4strO> ses: your on a liveCD ?
[11:31] <ses> no
[11:31] <ericsson> even though I increase contrast/brightness to 100% still no change
[11:31] <dirgedoll> how would i do that
[11:31] <_4strO> ls /
[11:31] <smarter> hak5fan: it should point to the repository where you have binary and source sub-repository
[11:31] <adaptr> dirgedoll: with a text editor, most likely
[11:32] <hak5fan> smarter: ok thanx
[11:32] <dirgedoll> let me log off and log back on to see if that works
[11:33] <ses> ls / shows me the content thnks how do i change the directory cd cd/ cd.. not working
[11:33] <hak5fan> ses: click view show hidden files to view all files...
[11:33] <ericsson> I've run kaffeine -w and there are win32 codecs missing (as if I care) but do I really need them in order to simply to increase brightness?
[11:33] <pgraves> Guys, I am having some trouble setting up Samba user accounts for sharing files, can someone assist me?
[11:33] <pgraves> ses cd name_of_dir
[11:33] <pgraves> i.e. If you are in /home/user and you want to be in /home/user/stuff you do cd stuff
[11:33] <ses> cd not working says it doesn't exist
[11:33] <pgraves> make sure you have a space after cd
[11:33] <ses> ie cd bin
[11:34] <pgraves> are you sure bin exists?
[11:34] <pgraves> Can anyone assist me with configuring Samba Username/Passwords ?
[11:35] <ses> yeh ls / says so, doesnt work for boot either
[11:35] <dirgedoll> yay it worked bbl
[11:36] <pgraves> ses your cwd is probably not /
[11:37] <ses> whats a cwd
[11:37] <pgraves> When you're at the # prompt, youre in a directory (normally your home directory). You are probably not in / at the time
[11:37] <ses> ok
[11:37] <pgraves> but when you do ls / its giving you a list of the contents of "/", even though thats not where you are
[11:37] <pgraves> do ls (just ls, nothing else)
[11:38] <pgraves> is it a different set of results?
[11:38] <ses> k
[11:38] <ses> yep
[11:38] <pgraves> ok, theres the problem,
[11:38] <ses> need to get back to /
[11:38] <ses> how
[11:38] <pgraves> to see what dir you're currently in type "pwd"
[11:38] <pgraves> what dir does it say youre in?
[11:39] <ses> home/ses
[11:39] <pgraves> ok, you're in /home/ses but you want to go to /bin .... you have TWO ways to do this
[11:39] <pgraves> I will show you both
[11:39] <ses> thnks
[11:39] <pgraves> first, you could go to /, and then go to bin
[11:39] <pgraves> type "cd /" (without the quotes)
[11:40] <soulrider> heh, watch this! http://www.novell.com/linux/meetlinux/
[11:40] <pgraves> now type "cd bin" (without the quotes)
[11:40] <pgraves> you should now be in /bin (you can confirm this by typing pwd again)
[11:40] <pgraves> did it work for you?
[11:41] <ses> you must be magic coz it worked this time :S very confusing
[11:41] <pgraves> Are you used to using Windows?
[11:42] <ses> yes but I started with DOS
[11:43] <ses> have used linux before but it seems to have got a lot harder to use
[11:43] <pgraves> so you're familiar with cd and dir in DOS?
[11:43] <_4strO> ses: rtfm :p
[11:44] <_4strO> !rtfm | ses
[11:44] <ubotu> ses: Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[11:44] <ses> yeh been trying them with no success
[11:44] <_4strO> ^^
[11:44] <pgraves> Ses, well imagine windows.... Where is the "My Pictures" folder kept?
[11:44] <_4strO> its normal that his pwd is his home dir
[11:44] <ses> erm i used noob earlier but was refering to myself
[11:45] <ses> my docs
[11:45] <_4strO> ses: cd / for going to the root
[11:45] <ses> think this install is messed up was trying that earlier and it wasnt working for some reason
[11:46] <_4strO> ses: use the TAB key for completing names ex : /e + tab will be /etc
[11:46] <pgraves> Correct Ses, My pictures is inside My Documents, its a sub-directory..... well when you do "ls" it shows the directory YOU'RE CURRENTLY IN, (whish is normally listed to the left of the #... if you do ls / it lists the contents of "/" if I did ls /boot it would list the contents of /boot
[11:47] <pgraves> what you WERE doing is doing ls / (even though you were in /home/ses) and then trying to change to a subdirectory of /, what you have to do is change to /, and then try going to that directory
[11:47] <ses> ahhh ok
[11:47] <pgraves> It would be like in windows me trying to go straight to My pictures without going to My Documents first
[11:48] <pgraves> Following me now?
[11:48] <ericsson> what is the difference between flashplugin-nonefree and flashplugin?
[11:48] <ses> yes
[11:49] <pgraves> so you understand that you were in /home/ses and you wanted to go to bin, so you typed cd /, then typed cd bin and you were there correct?
[11:49] <ses> was having trouble going down the tree
[11:49] <puppetmaster> hi everyone
[11:49] <jhutchins> pgraves: ls . , ls .. . ls ~/ , ls /full/path/to/whatever/you/want/to/look\ at.
[11:49] <_4strO> ericsson: the developpers i think :p
[11:49] <puppetmaster> how to install .tar.bz2 packages????
[11:49] <pgraves> Im not needing help jhutch, im trying to explain things
[11:50] <_4strO> ericsson: and so the license on ity
[11:50] <kilrae> as flash only barely works in linux, not much difference
[11:50] <_4strO> ericsson: and so the license on it
[11:50] <puppetmaster> how to install .tar.bz2 packages????
[11:50] <ses> "/ is c:\"
[11:50] <pgraves> essentially, yeah
[11:50] <puppetmaster> please someone answer me
[11:50] <puppetmaster> how to install .tar.bz2 packages????
[11:50] <pgraves> well, the way I showed you to do that was the LONG way, there is a quicker way
[11:50] <ericsson> I know it's usually anti-open..but in my case none of the two seems to work...
[11:50] <puppetmaster> how to install .tar.bz2 packages????
[11:50] <_4strO> !tar | puppetmaster
[11:50] <ubotu> puppetmaster: Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[11:50] <jhutchins> ericsson: Open-source developers frequently try to develop fully open-licensed versions of propietary things like flash that are only supplied as binaries under non-free licenses.
[11:50] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: YOu shouldn't.
[11:51] <puppetmaster> shouldn't what
[11:51] <puppetmaster> ?
[11:51] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: If you must,
[11:51] <puppetmaster> Why?
[11:51] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: Install .tar.gz packages.  It breaks the package dependency system.
[11:51] <pgraves> ses, type cd /home/ses
[11:51] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: They are not set up for ubuntu.
[11:51] <kilrae> puppetmaster, if the program is available through adept, install it that way
[11:52] <ses> is it usual to have to kernel versions in grub
[11:52] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: What package?
[11:52] <ericsson> Since I can't get nonfree, or "free" flash working, should I then try Medibuntu or what?
[11:52] <puppetmaster> real player 10.7 gold
[11:52] <puppetmaster> I have a problems with real files
[11:52] <jhutchins> ses: What you have is the original kernel from the CD and the one that was installed during the update in install.
[11:52] <pgraves> yes
[11:52] <kilrae> ericsson: your only real chance with flash is probably in firefox
[11:52] <puppetmaster> the sound is breaking up?
[11:52] <ericsson> it won't work in Konqueror?
[11:52] <pgraves> SES: did you type cd /home/ses
[11:52] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: Real is available.
[11:53] <jhutchins> !find real
[11:53] <ses> thnks, i think i broke the new one :)
[11:53] <ubotu> Found: realpath, chiark-really, ethereal, ethereal-common, ethereal-dev (and 8 others)
[11:53] <ericsson> ericsson
[11:53] <jhutchins> !find realplayer
[11:53] <puppetmaster> I know but the rmvb files doesn't work fine
[11:53] <ubotu> Package/file realplayer does not exist in edgy
[11:53] <puppetmaster> I have already one
[11:53] <smarter> realplayer is in the canonical commercial repository
[11:53] <ericsson> :)
[11:53] <kilrae> ericsson: if i recall, konqi and flash are a little buggy
[11:53] <jhutchins> !mp3 | puppetmaster
[11:53] <ffm> help, konsole is weird
[11:53] <ubotu> puppetmaster: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:53] <ffm> http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3025/screenshotkq6.png
[11:53] <smarter> but really, there are tons of better multimedia player
[11:53] <puppetmaster> but all real player files doesna't work fine
[11:53] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: There are directions on the REstrictedFormats page.
[11:53] <ses> yes thnks pgraves gonna get my unix book out
[11:53] <ericsson> kilrae: I'll give FF a try then
[11:54] <felzix> ffm: did you cat a binary?
[11:54] <smarter> ffm: type reset in the console
[11:54] <ffm> felzix: no? whats tat?
[11:54] <jhutchins> ffm: Try the command "reset".
[11:54] <jhutchins> ffm: (No quotes)
[11:54] <ffm> smarter, jhutchins, no dice.
[11:54] <puppetmaster> what is the complete commans
[11:54] <felzix> ffm: if you type "cat <binary file>" into the console, weird stuff tends to happen to it
[11:54] <puppetmaster> command
[11:55] <ffm> No fix.
[11:55] <kilrae> ericsson: i believe there are a few extra steps to get it working in konqi, you have to add directories to the plugins search list and stuff
[11:55] <ffm> still broke.
[11:55] <pgraves> well SES, if you type ls, you'll notice that you just switched back to your home directory... notice that you didn't have to type cd /home and then type cd ses, you just went straight to it by typing cd /home/ses
[11:55] <ffm> http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3025/screenshotkq6.png
[11:55] <felzix> ffm: try changing the language
[11:55] <jhutchins> Whoa, ffm's set his codepage to kanji or chinese or somethin.
[11:55] <pgraves> you could get back to the "bin" directory the same way
[11:55] <pgraves> you could just type cd /bin
[11:55] <ffm> jhutchins: No, it jsut dosnt update.
[11:55] <ericsson> kilrae: doesn't matter if it's konq or FF for me, I'm used to elinks ;)
[11:55] <ses> I'm fine going that way I was just having trouble going back the other way :D
[11:56] <felzix> ffm: open a new one and see if it's messed up, too
[11:56] <ericsson> ericsson
[11:56] <ffm> felzix: How.
[11:56] <ffm> new window?
[11:56] <ericsson> ericsson
[11:56] <ffm> new console?
[11:56] <ericsson> ericsson
[11:56] <_4strO> pgraves: cd ~/ to your home dir ;)
[11:56] <ericsson> ericsson? :)
[11:56] <felzix> ffm: new window
[11:56] <ericsson> ericsson
[11:56] <hak5fan>  /quit going to bed
[11:56] <ericsson> btw, isn't there a keybd shortcut to throw windows to another desktop?
[11:57] <kilrae> ericsson: i'd suggest googling "kde firefox integration" though, at least to disable the gnome file chooser (which must be the ugliest thing ever developed)
[11:57] <_4strO> ericsson: just param it :p
[11:57] <ericsson> huhu..
[11:57] <ffm> same issue.
[11:57] <ffm> http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/9514/screenshot1ot0.png
[11:58] <felzix> ffm: to change the language, go to settings and encoding.
[11:58] <ses> bbl l8er thanks for all the help guys :D
[11:58] <ffm> felzix: See http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/9514/screenshot1ot0.png
[11:58] <jhutchins> ses: Download and read this: http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip
[11:58] <pgraves> Can someone please help me setup Samba usernames/passwords?
[11:58] <felzix> ffm: success, then?
[11:58] <ffm> nooo...
[11:59] <ffm> look at it closely
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> pgraves:  i always just use 'sudo smbpassswd -a USERNAME
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> i think thats right...
[11:59] <felzix> ffm: did you not blank those commands out yourself?
[11:59] <kilrae> 'twould work
[11:59] <ffm> felzix: no.
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> testing out in a vmware session aat  the momemt.. excuse my typing.
[11:59] <ffm> felzix: See yet another konsole. http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/7600/screenshot2ou1.png
[12:00] <felzix> ffm: try selecting different languages to see if one works right.
[12:00] <ffm> I have tried all english encodings, unicode, west eu
[12:00] <Arwen> anyone - do I need language-pack-kde-x if I don't use KDE but only the apps?
[12:00] <ffm> etc
[12:01] <felzix> ffm: oh.  I'm afraid I'm out of ideas :(
[12:01] <ffm> soo, just use terminal?
[12:01] <ffm> !bug
[12:01] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:02] <troy__> Dr_Willis: how did you get vmware to install?  I can't get the server modules to complete
[12:02] <felzix> ffm: well, you could try a different Keyboard setting.
[12:02] <ffm> ok...
[12:02] <felzix> (in the Setting menu of Konsole)
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> troy_ using vmware under windowa at thee moment tooo run linux.. and its NASTY.. ive never  had probbbbbbbblems inssssstalling  vmware under linux.. - i just download the tar.gx's and follow the docs
[12:03] <ffm> nope.
[12:03] <ffm> no dice
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> this vmware under wiiiindows has meeeeeeeee with sooome real    od dtyping ittus  it seems.
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:03] <felzix> ffm: damn.  Yeah, submit the bug.
[12:04] <ffm> Uhh, I dont have a bugzilla accounr
[12:05] <pgraves> anytime I try and add a new user via smbpasswd -a username_here , I am prompted for the password twice, once I enter it I get "Failed to initialize SAM_ACCOUNT for user....."
[12:05] <ericsson> ericsson
[12:05] <pgraves> Anyone have any ideas?
[12:05] <felzix> ffm: I suppose you can get one, or not worry about it.
[12:05] <felzix> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/+login
[12:05] <adaptr> pgraves: as root ?
[12:05] <pgraves> correct
[12:05] <ffm> felzix: But.. the app wants me to file in bugs.KDE.org...
[12:06] <ffm> can I do it in Launchpad?
[12:06] <ffm> That would simplify things
[12:06] <pgraves> I tried "smbpasswd -a dadmin", entered the password twice and then got:    Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user admin. Does this user exist in the UNIX password database ?
[12:06] <adaptr> pgraves: what does the log say ?
[12:06] <soulrider> Dr_Willis: when i connect to my friends desktop, i allways type like that, it just randomly repeats letters
[12:06] <adaptr> pgraves: and ?> does he ?
[12:06] <Arwen> pgraves, you need a valid UNIX user for every user you try to use smbpasswd on
[12:06] <pgraves> oh, one sec
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> pgraves:  now do it again. ddddddddont ask me     why it  does that   erorr the first time
[12:07] <Arwen> Dr_Willis, wtf is with your typing?
[12:07] <felzix> ffm: I think that you can.  To be honest, I've never submitted a bug report.
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> Arwen:  vvvvmware running linux.. Not sure wwhat the deal is.
[12:07] <felzix> ffm: I think that bugzilla would tell the developers directly that there's a problem, while launchpad would be indirect.
[12:07] <Arwen> ah
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> vmwwwwwware
[12:07] <pgraves> That explains it, thanks
[12:07] <soulrider> sticky fingers :P
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> never  seeeennnn it do this  befor.
[12:07] <soulrider> or heavy ones :P
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> it lags..    then ppputs  in 100 characters
[12:08] <felzix> dr_willis: like using a very old mac
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> been testing out vmware under windows. and vvvirtual box. with live cd'ss    - finding a lot of issues
[12:09] <soulrider> Dr_Willis: with vmware of witht he guest OS ?
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> trying out Pioneer Linux at the moment with it.
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> under wwwwindows
[12:12] <ses> MAnaged to rescue my default boot thnks guys