[12:25] <comhack> crimsun  thanks works perfectly now
[12:25] <joshua_> Jonathan: Yes, they survived a cold boot - essentially they were twiddling data in the system EEPROM that was read by the system ROMs at boot time which was used to configure the audio adapter (this is essentially what happened, I don't know the details).  So the settings persisted across power cycles.
[12:25] <crimsun> comhack: np.
[12:25] <hutre> wouldn't testing the kernel on 10 machines have revealed the bug? seems like it's quite common.
[12:25] <joshua_> that's idiotic. I think sonypi does the same thing :X
[12:25] <crimsun> hutre: buy the hardware, send to the kernel team.
[12:26] <crimsun> hutre: if you think Canonical pays the core kernel team to randomly purchase every existing new hardware, you'd be mistaken.
[12:26] <acuster> anyone have news on the network manager front?
[12:26] <acuster> and thanks to the team for the -15 fix
[12:26] <crimsun> acuster: what's the n-m issue?
[12:26] <anto> uhm, the new kernel updates (14,15) don't work for me i cannot even start my computer..
[12:26] <crimsun> anto: -15.25 is building.
[12:27] <acuster> for the last week or so n-m doesn't see the wireless card
[12:27] <anto> crimsun: what do you mean?
[12:27] <acuster> maybe less than a week
[12:27] <jmichaelx> crimsun: would it be wise to wait a little while longer before updating/upgrading?
[12:27] <acuster> it offers to let me configure manually, but it doesn't scan the air for networks, nor see that I am indeed connected
[12:27] <crimsun> jmichaelx: if you're unsure, just wait for RC.
[12:27] <anto> crimsun, what do you mean?
[12:28] <crimsun> acuster: that issue should already be fixed.
[12:28] <joshua_> anto: Back off to the old kernel in the mean time
[12:28] <acuster> worked fine with -13 and early -14 kernels
[12:28] <joshua_> the fix is being built right now
[12:28] <acuster> crimsun, okay thanks
[12:28] <anto> joshuea, thats the problem i can't i'm geting some fsck error while loading harddrive
[12:28] <joshua_> you should be able to choose an old kernel in the GRUB menu
[12:28] <anto> thats what i'm trying to do...
[12:28] <crimsun> anto: I mean there's a workaround in the kernel source that's being compiled on the buildds right now [for i386. amd64, sparc, and ppc are already built] 
[12:29] <joshua_> i.e., you should not need to boot the kernel to get access to GRUB
[12:29] <anto> I KNOW
[12:29] <anto> but i still get a FSCK when trying to load a older kernel
[12:29] <crimsun> anto: are we supposed to read your mind about the error messages?
[12:29] <joshua_> arejay: !, ipw2200 supports master mode / packet injection?
[12:29] <joshua_> anto: you will need to be a little more verbose.
[12:29] <crimsun> anto: pastebin; take a digital photo; do /something/ to help diagnose.
[12:30] <arejay> joshua_, grab the aircrack-ng svn and in the patches directory there are patches for both the devices i just mentioned
[12:30] <joshua_> if you have a darkroom, a film photo and a scanner will also be acceptible
[12:30] <anto> gonna try somthing
[12:30] <DanaG> What's the big deal about the binary daemon?
[12:30] <joshua_> arejay: excellent. I will have to try that.
[12:30] <arejay> joshua_, ipw2200 creates a rtap0 interface -- you're only allowed todo arp injection (which works fine for me)
[12:31] <AdministratorX> Is there a version of Automatix for Feisty?
[12:31] <arejay> AdministratorX, yes.
[12:31] <jmichaelx> ok, gonna try -15
[12:31] <jmichaelx> brb
[12:31] <hutre> crimsun: it just seems like it's happening for a lot of ppl. but i guess that's the point of beta testing :)
[12:31] <joshua_> hutre: Feisty Is Not For Production Systems (tm)
[12:32] <joshua_> (yet)
[12:32] <crimsun> hutre: a lot of people have brand new hardware. The core kernel team doesn't have access to every single new SATA controller and thus can't predict the future. :)
[12:32] <AdministratorX> Do you have the URL link? I could not locate it on their website.
[12:32] <awk> is the final release date still set to be 19.4. ? even if the rc deadline was not met?
[12:32] <AdministratorX> Only saw Dapper and Edgy
[12:32] <joshua_> http://www.google.com/search?q=automatix+feisty
[12:32] <crimsun> awk: depends on the progress of RC.
[12:32] <AdministratorX> thanks
[12:33] <awk> crimsun> yeah, but like, does rc have to be out for one week and only after then final is possible?
[12:33] <crimsun> awk: see above. It depends on the progress of RC.
[12:33] <awk> or better yet.. where can i find discussion on topics like these?
[12:33] <AdministratorX> Is there a reason you don't suggest it?
[12:33] <crdlb> because it's so easy to do that stuff the "right way"
[12:34] <DanaG> It tramples on your sources.
[12:34] <DanaG> !medibuntu
[12:34] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[12:34] <AdministratorX> I've good results so far.
[12:36] <DanaG> bwarharhar:
[12:36] <DanaG> http://www.robertwechsler.com/images/applied_geometry.jpg
[12:37] <joshua_> somebody had a little too much time
[12:37] <jmichaelx> ok, boys... -15 is working fine for me on this machine so far
[12:38] <N6REJ> well lots of updates but still broken kernel package
[12:38] <TheVault> I need some quick help. How can I make it where my upper left and right areas on my touchpad take me forward or backwards in the browser?
[12:39] <crimsun> N6REJ: wait for -15.25.
[12:39] <TheVault> or forward and back all together in any application
[12:39] <N6REJ> crimsun: cc
[12:39] <jmichaelx> it is interesting how a package/kernel may be broken on one machine, but function fine on another....
[12:40] <TheVault> Can someone please help me out right quick?
[12:40] <N6REJ> crimsun: its trying to install 20-14
[12:41] <lupine_85> TheVault: xmodmap might do what you need
[12:41] <lupine_85> but then again, it might not
[12:42] <TheVault> lupine_85: Basically, I just wanna be able to use my upper right and left portions of my touchpad to go forward & back in the browser(since I use it more there). I finally fixed the touchpad problem when typing though, now I just need to fix this and then I'm happy
[12:43] <crimsun> TheVault: what touchpad problem while typing?
[12:43] <lupine_85> the question is whether those upper portions have a keycode or not...
[12:43] <TheVault> crimsun: That when i was typing, I would accidently touch my touchpad and then the cursor would go someplace else and screw up my typing
[12:44] <TheVault> lupine_85: Yeah good point
[12:44] <DanaG> Oh, on that site, go up a level.
[12:44] <DanaG> The one with the shopping cards.
[12:44] <lupine_85> xev will be able to tell you
[12:44] <TheVault> xev had a problem like mine?
[12:44] <gils> good evening
[12:45] <N6REJ> what natively plays .flv files?
[12:45] <lupine_85> no, xev is a program
[12:45] <lupine_85> N6REJ: mplayer
[12:45] <TheVault> VLC player plays FLV
[12:45] <N6REJ> k ty
[12:45] <N6REJ> well which is better?
[12:45] <lupine_85> run it in a terminal, then hit the appropriate areas on the touchpad and see if it tells you about a keycode
[12:45] <DanaG> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dogseat/168281281/in/pool-mondobizarro/
[12:45] <lupine_85> mplayer of course :D
[12:45] <TheVault> Donno, I use VLC player more
[12:45] <Kaplan__> when are the restricted modules coming out for the new kernel???
[12:45] <gils> what is the last word on the kernel fiixes.???  is there a reason that i am still seeing the old kernel for upgrade???
[12:46] <Kaplan__> when are the restricted modules coming out for the new kernel???
[12:46] <TheVault> lupine_85: Type what in the terminal to see the keycode?
[12:47] <lupine_85> xev
[12:47] <TheVault> oh, i thought that was a person, my bad
[12:47] <TheVault> Linux newb here
[12:47] <lupine_85> then any time you pass input to the server, it'll post all the relevent info to the terminal
[12:47] <DanaG> Odd: http://www.robertwechsler.com/images/fixedwingaircraft.jpg
[12:47] <SuperTeece> so I should not install the updates that came down today?
[12:47] <Kaplan__> don't know
[12:47] <Kaplan__> i installed them
[12:48] <SuperTeece> I see the breakage topic
[12:48] <TheVault> lupin_85: Alright, lemme give it a whirl
[12:48] <awk> SuperTeece> actually they may work for you if i understand correctly
[12:48] <Kaplan__> yep
[12:48] <Kaplan__> they might work
[12:49] <Kaplan__> but no restricted modules have come out yet
[12:49] <awk> SuperTeece> it's probably something like ubuntu genuine advantage :)
[12:49] <Kaplan__> LOL
[12:49] <SuperTeece> geez, lol
[12:49] <Kaplan__> no stuff like that here
[12:49] <awk> :))
[12:49] <awk> j/k
[12:49] <crimsun> Kaplan__: we won't build l-r-m until we're sure 15.25 fixes the issues.
[12:50] <Kaplan__> great, i didn't know about that
[12:50] <N6REJ> crimsun: did you c my note about adept is trying to install 14.20?
[12:50] <awk> how long does it take to distribute updates across the mirrors?
[12:50] <Kaplan__> then people can install the new kernel and use the last one
[12:50] <TheVault> lupine_85: Its showing stuff when I hit the top two corners but I don't understand how to read the output in the terminal
[12:50] <crimsun> N6REJ: no.
[12:50] <Kaplan__> i installed -15 but currently i'm using -14
[12:50] <crimsun> awk: depends on the mirror's rsync policy.
[12:50] <trevbork> hey, whats a production system.
[12:50] <N6REJ> crimsun: yeah, I don't know why its still trying to do 14
[12:51] <crimsun> N6REJ: are you using archive.ubuntu.com as your apt source?
[12:51] <N6REJ> crimsun: let me double check but I believe so.
[12:51] <awk> I thought i should use a local mirror to ease the stress off the main sites
[12:52] <N6REJ> crimsun: oh this is interesting, i'm installing mplayer and it says its "setting up 15.20"  So why should 14.20 be doing anything!.... weird.  No, its us.archive
[12:53] <crimsun> N6REJ: us.archive is identical to archive
[12:53] <crimsun> at least currently.
[12:54] <N6REJ> crimsun: strange then.
[12:54] <crimsun> and 15.24 is definitely available on archive.
[12:54] <N6REJ> so I wonder why its trying to update 14.20?
[12:55] <thesilentw> crimsun, i can boot 12 on diferent grub setting, but, i get no x server, well.. i get, but it returns error, is that due to the kernel update or something else?
[12:55] <crimsun> thesilentw: lacks relevant troubleshooting information.
[12:55] <thesilentw> basically, after this morning update, 14 doesnt boot, 12 gives x server error
[12:56] <N6REJ> crimsun: I think I see why.. .both 14 and 15 are installed.  Should I remove 14?
[12:56] <xtknight> if i already had 20-14.23 installed am i doomed?
[12:56] <xtknight> which ver# should i be watching out for?
[12:56] <thesilentw> x server has links to kernel ? or version x or y of x server can work with kernel 12 or 15 does it matter ?
[12:57] <xopher> ah, good that I checked the channel before I booted 
[12:57] <crimsun> N6REJ: you're probably being prompted for 14.22->14.23
[12:57] <N6REJ> crimsun: how can I check details?
[12:57] <crimsun> rmation.
[12:57] <crimsun> thesilentw: still lacking relevant troubleshooting information.
[12:57] <crimsun> N6REJ: apt-cache policy
[12:58] <N6REJ> yep, you got it, it has 14.22 in and wants to install 14.23
[12:58] <awk> The fix is out 20.15 everything working great again.
[12:58] <awk> is this true?
[12:58] <crimsun> awk: no
[12:58] <crimsun> patently false
[12:58] <awk> it's on the forums
[12:58] <awk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408557&page=2
[12:58] <crimsun> 15.25's not available for every arch
[12:59] <crimsun> that poster booted 15.24
[12:59] <tehkain> wow well 15.24 isnt working either
[12:59] <awk> probably
[12:59] <crimsun> tehkain: read the fine topic.
[12:59] <tehkain> Crimsun, thank yah
[01:00] <N6REJ> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15447/
[01:00] <crimsun> N6REJ: that's useless.
[01:01] <N6REJ> crimsun: thats the output of apt-cache policy
[01:01] <jmichaelx> now if i could only figure out how to install democracyplayer in feisty and get it to work...
[01:01] <crimsun> N6REJ: you really need to check apt-cache policy linux-image-`uname -r`
[01:02] <crimsun> jmichaelx: a boatload of dbus/api issues at play there.
[01:02] <N6REJ> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15448/
[01:02] <crimsun> N6REJ: I don't need to see that; I already know that. :)
[01:02] <jmichaelx> crimsun: yep..... i am sure it will be available soon.... funny thing is that i have it working on one feisty machine, but cannot even manage to install it on this one
[01:03] <N6REJ> crimsun: LOL, sorry... should I just uninstall 14.20?
[01:03] <crimsun> N6REJ: I wouldn't uninstall anything that works right now.
[01:03] <N6REJ> crimsun: cc
[01:03] <jmichaelx> u said that wrong.. democracyplayer is available, but not installable due to dependency issues
[01:03] <jmichaelx> i said that wrong*
[01:05] <r00tintheb0x> "unable to find swap space signature"
[01:05] <jmichaelx> transferring music to my video ipod using amarok finally works for me now (in feisty)  :-D
[01:05] <r00tintheb0x> weird how hibernate screws swap up
[01:05] <r00tintheb0x> cool jmichaelx :)
[01:06] <jmichaelx> itunes has been basically the last windows app that has kept requiring me to boot into windows once every few weeks... just to add my newer music to my ipod
[01:07] <nixternal> crimsun: I don't have issues, I just want to know if it is safe to get the -15 updates, or leave them alone
[01:07] <nixternal> I never did the update to get the broken kernels
[01:07] <crimsun> nixternal: wait for 15.25 before you dist-upgrade.
[01:08] <nixternal> ahhh, gotcha
[01:13] <noisymouse> Since I get a 403 error for the kernel image that's now out of date, should I tell synaptic to remove the generic 2.6.20-14 kernel and its modules?
[01:13] <MattJ> Does anyone here have a PCI ATI Radeon, and use the fglrx drivers in Feisty?
[01:13] <ghostdog> is there a bug on feisty's ivtv driver?
[01:13] <crimsun> noisymouse: wait for 15.25 and its l-r-m to become available.
[01:13] <ghostdog> cannot make ivtv work
[01:14] <ghostdog> ivtv0: All encoder VBI stream buffers are full. Dropping data.
[01:14] <ghostdog> ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough
[01:14] <ghostdog> what setting do I need to adjust?
[01:14] <noisymouse> crimsum: I didn't quite understand that.
[01:14] <ghostdog> it is a PVR-150
[01:16] <noisymouse> crimsun: I should just wait for now?
[01:17] <finalbeta_> ghostdog: I loved the movie about you dude.
[01:17] <ghostdog> yeah me too xD
[01:19] <N6REJ> jmichaelx: do you have a work around for Itunes yet?  I miss my itunes
[01:19] <ghostdog> amarok rulz
[01:19] <ghostdog> a buck for a song is theft
[01:19] <choudesh> did the keys change for the feisty repos?
[01:20] <N6REJ> ghostdog: some of the newer cd's in the store are going for $20+
[01:20] <ghostdog> they used to be 12
[01:20] <ghostdog> until people decided to pay more because downloading is cool
[01:20] <N6REJ> ghostdog: your young, they used to be $5-6 LOL  I've seen a few cd's recently over $28
[01:21] <ghostdog> imagine
[01:21] <ghostdog> you download the songs, you buy the cd, you pay the bandwidth
[01:21] <N6REJ> yeah, and only 8 or 9 songs on them ... its nuts!  We used to get 10-15 for $6
[01:21] <ghostdog> whose making all the money?
[01:21] <N6REJ> LOL
[01:21] <ghostdog> shi*
[01:21] <ghostdog> 10 bucks a month all you can download
[01:22] <ghostdog> like a buffet xD
[01:22] <ghostdog> buffe*
[01:22] <magic_ninja> thats the beauty of filesharing
[01:22] <magic_ninja> they are trying to regulate the internet for everything, just like everything else in the rest of the world, america wants total control
[01:22] <ghostdog> can't share anything if the the ISP are colluted
[01:23] <magic_ninja> i am an american, proud of it, and i will die to defend it, but some of the things the bush administration has done are pathetic
[01:23] <tehkain> ah the good ole days when artist made money from touring and shows.
[01:23] <ghostdog> I think they still make money that way
[01:23] <choudesh> !offtopic
[01:23] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:23] <slackern> anyone remember the name of the application that lets you browse themes for gnome and install them?
[01:24] <ghostdog> they never made any fortune from selling their cd's
[01:24] <ghostdog> xD
[01:24] <ghostdog> ubotu, answer my question then
[01:24] <ghostdog> xD
[01:24] <Stormx2> !bot | ghostdog
[01:24] <ubotu> ghostdog: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:24] <ghostdog> I know
[01:24] <dogmatism> slackern: i think thats the gnome-art package
[01:25] <slackern> dogmatism, ahh ok, i remember i had something that showed previews from a theme site and let me download and install with that one
[01:26] <slackern> dogmatism, ahh that looks like the one, thanks.
[01:26] <dogmatism> you're welcome.
[01:27] <soccio> Hi gals and guys
[01:27] <soccio> is there anybody who could help me with a strange behaviour in feisty about internet connection?
[01:28] <choudesh> soccio, whats seems to be the issue?
[01:28] <|NewUser|> Want to create ircd server on my local machine is there any help?
[01:28] <choudesh> soccio, and in the future....
[01:28] <choudesh> !ask | soccio
[01:28] <ubotu> soccio: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:29] <soccio> Well: using the live Feisty CD I can reach only some website. For example I can easily reach Google, but I cannot reach Flickr.
[01:29] <soccio> I think it is related to some networking parameters that is not so compatible with my broadband connection
[01:30] <choudesh> soccio, please turn ipv6 off in firefox
[01:30] <choudesh> I'll brb. time-bug
[01:31] <poningru> soccio: do you know how to do that?
[01:31] <soccio> choudesh: I also have problem using apt. I cannot reach any server
[01:31] <soccio> yes I know..., poningru... but I think it is some lower level problem... not only firefox.
[01:31] <poningru> turn off ipv6 in ubuntu then
[01:31] <soccio> for example, pinging flickr also doesn't work
[01:32] <shasylap> is there some way for me to disable the network manager applet thing?, it keeps disconnecting me from my network and trying to connect to other ones
[01:32] <poningru> shasylap: yeah go to static config
[01:32] <soccio> poningru: how to tell feisty not to use ipv6 at all?
[01:32] <shasylap> thanks poningru i'll try that
[01:32] <choudesh> ok  - sorry about that
[01:33] <choudesh> soccio, did you turn ipv6 off?
[01:33] <spikeb> beh, ipv6 shoudlnt be enabled by default
[01:33] <N6REJ> choudesh: how do you make sure its off?
[01:34] <choudesh> N6REJ, about:config
[01:34] <choudesh> the key is
[01:34] <choudesh> network.dns.disableIPv6
[01:34] <choudesh> set that to true
[01:34] <choudesh> if not already
[01:34] <soccio> choudesh: my problem is not only related to firefox. Even the ping has problem.
[01:35] <Answer> xorg.conf says 1400x1050 but the gui screen resolution says 1280x1024.  How can I tell what resolution i'm actually running?
[01:35] <choudesh> soccio, o - you said website. ;-)
[01:35] <N6REJ> thanks that will help immensly!
[01:35] <choudesh> !info 915resolution | Answer
[01:35] <ubotu> answer: 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-10ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 14 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[01:35] <N6REJ> ok gotta run time for dinner wife says.
[01:35] <choudesh> ubotu, your slow. ;-)
[01:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about your slow. ;-) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:35] <Stormx2> >_< I *still* can't see -15!
[01:35] <soccio> choudesh: yes, but I also can ping a website...
[01:36] <choudesh> !info 915resolution feisty | Answer
[01:36] <ubotu> answer: 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-10ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 14 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[01:36] <soccio> in this case I cannot...
[01:37] <chad_> has anyone received the latest kernel update: 2.6.20-15.25 ?? I still do not have this update.
[01:37] <choudesh> soccio, are your currently on the liveCD?
[01:37] <soweto76> Answer,  xdpyinfo | grep dimension
[01:37] <choudesh> !info kernel feisty | chad_
[01:37] <ubotu> chad_: Package kernel does not exist in feisty
[01:37] <choudesh> !info kernel-2.6.20-15.25 feisty | chad_
[01:37] <ubotu> chad_: Package kernel-2.6.20-15.25 does not exist in feisty
[01:37] <soccio> No, now I'm using edgy, but I have the other computer with feisty
[01:38] <chad_> well, I am speaking of the linux-image-2.6.20-15.25
[01:38] <choudesh> soccio, can you hit the ubuntu servers....irc...
[01:38] <choudesh> chad_, yea. I was looking for the proper name
[01:38] <choudesh> chad_, ubotu doesn't support wildcards. ;-)
[01:38] <soccio> choudesh: let me try...
[01:39] <chad_> oh, I didn't know that was a bot ;)
[01:39] <andre_pl> whats the deal with this 403?  shouldn't something that simple be corrected in about the same time it takes to set the channel topic? lol.. its been missing since this morning.
[01:39] <squire> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html
[01:40] <choudesh> chad_, yea. -15 is in the repos, not sure about -15.25
[01:40] <choudesh> andre_pl, what 403?
[01:40] <chad_> I am having problems booting with the -14 and -15 kernel is why I am asking
[01:40] <squire> gutsy gibbon!
[01:40] <slackern> I just installed 2.6.20-15.24
[01:40] <andre_pl> choudesh: the one mentioned in the topic :P  i'm getting a 403 error trying to updatee the latest kernel image since this morning
[01:40] <chad_> I am hoping the .25 version fixed the boot problem for me, but I still don't see the update.
[01:41] <AmyRose> hmm... 2.6.20-15.24 fixed everything for me
[01:41] <andre_pl> actually its linux-headers-generic.
[01:41] <macpo3> .24 seems to have fixed it here, older hardware
[01:41] <chad_> It didn't fix it for me :(
[01:41] <chad_> I am forced to use the -12 kernel
[01:41] <AmyRose> chad_: Really? -13 worked for me
[01:41] <choudesh> Linux cactus 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP
[01:42] <choudesh> 15 is working for me. ;-)
[01:42] <MattJ> Did I miss something?
[01:42] <MattJ> I've had no problem with Feisty
[01:42] <chad_> I never had the -13, I installed feisty yesterday, and it upgraed from -12 to -14
[01:43] <choudesh> !info linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[01:43] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic does not exist in feisty
[01:43] <choudesh> hmm...
[01:43] <choudesh> !info linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic feisty
[01:43] <andre_pl> i'm downloading it right now. in fact. it started immediately after -14 403'd
[01:44] <MattJ> Does anyone here have a PCI ATI Radeon, and use the fglrx drivers in Feisty?
[01:44] <Dekkard> i notice there is a new group of updates eh?
[01:44] <Dekkard> went fro 59 to 67
[01:44] <AmyRose> MattJ: Have you tried the open-source drivers?
[01:44] <choudesh> Dekkard, yea. seems some are still uploading
[01:44] <jhawk28> what repo should I use to get 2.6.20-15-generic feisty?
[01:45] <slackern> MattJ, Im using the restricted drivers right now, the version provided by the restricted manager
[01:45] <Dekkard> is it best advised to still wait?
[01:45] <jhawk28> !info linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic feisty
[01:45] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic does not exist in feisty
[01:45] <choudesh> jhawk28, ubotu is wrong. it is in the repos
[01:45] <slackern> se.archive.ubuntu.com i got 2.6.20-15 from here
[01:45] <jhawk28> its not downloading for me
[01:45] <choudesh> jhawk28, I believe it is currently propagating
[01:46] <jhawk28> ok
[01:46] <slackern> how do i show which version i got installed with apt?
[01:46] <choudesh> jhawk28, it is in the US repos
[01:46] <choudesh> slackern, apt-cache show package
[01:46] <jhawk28> thats the ones Im pointing to
[01:46] <Dekkard> update manager still shows 2.6.20.14...... me is gonna wait
[01:46] <jhawk28> Im pointing to 2.6.20-14
[01:47] <MattJ> AmyRose: Which are the open-source?
[01:47] <choudesh> jhawk28, Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic 2.6.20-15.24 [23.8MB] 
[01:47] <jmichaelx> are you using the .us servers?
[01:47] <chad_> There is supposedly a 2.6.20-15.25 version out, but I have the .24
[01:47] <jhawk28> us.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:47] <jmichaelx> i don't think .25 is out yet
[01:47] <choudesh> chad_, 15.25 isn't up yet.
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> What changes in 15.25?
[01:47] <chad_> hmm, many people on the forums say they have the .25
[01:47] <MattJ> AmyRose: I'm using the xorg-driver-fglrx, which is what the restricted drivers manager installs I believe
[01:47] <Dekkard> patience is a virtue
[01:47] <jmichaelx> jhawk28: get rid of the .us, and you may find the -15.24 kernel
[01:48] <soweto76> odd here,  after an update, apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic  lists the 20-15 but it does not install with an upgrade. ??
[01:48] <slackern> soweto76, tried dist-upgrade?
[01:48] <slackern> i had to do that to get a new kernel
[01:48] <soweto76> slackern, yep
[01:48] <chrisbudden14> anyone know where i can find out the status of a package build?
[01:49] <chrisbudden14> specifically the 8.35 fglrx driver
[01:49] <ZombiekE> Ubuntu's yesterday's update seemed to mess with my system. Now before I get to log in, I can see the mouse with the "waiting" cursor but the rest is black, what can I do?
[01:49] <choudesh> chrisbudden14, please contact the maintainer of that package
[01:49] <chrisbudden14> ok
[01:50] <MattJ> AmyRose: Does "Switch user" work for you?
[01:50] <choudesh> ZombiekE, please refer to the topic
[01:50] <choudesh> !topic | ZombiekE
[01:50] <ubotu> ZombiekE: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[01:50] <soweto76> weird,  I can do a: sudo apt-get -s install linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic  and it will install 20-15 ??
[01:50] <ZombiekE> thank you :)
[01:51] <poningru> ZombiekE: press ctrl+shift+f1 and you should be able to get tty1
[01:52] <transgress> okay so i have two harddrives.  i boot from the second one.  i can't see a way to tell grub that i want it on the second disk's mbr.  i set it to (hd0) in the advanced options in the install but it says it cannot find the files.  how can i make the grub files available to it?  it sees them at (hd0,5) which is from the install i had on the other drive...
[01:52] <soccio> choudesh: I tried some sites. I can easily reach youtube and all the google sites (blogger, etc.) but I cannot reach Flickr and even my own router web panel!
[01:52] <BluesKaj> anyone have DRI working on an ATI card , not beryl , just DRI
[01:53] <choudesh> soccio, then there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with feisty. please check your network
[01:53] <jepeltw> hello all, has anyone else noticed that after the system has been running for a while, the keyboards will become unresponsive? I have to press and hold a key for several seconds before it registers
[01:53] <AmyRose> MattJ: It did when I had a Radeon, yes, using the open-source drivers. But now I have nvidia because it's better on Linux :/
[01:53] <architec0> My ubuntu desktop Edgy Eft always freezes up on me. The mouse can move around the screen but everything else is frozen. What should I do? Thanks in advance
[01:53] <ZombiekE_> thanks choudesh :)
[01:53] <soweto76> well, it seems that linux-image-generic is not up to 20-15 yet.
[01:53] <soccio> choudesh: my network works very well as long I use edgy.
[01:54] <BluesKaj> nice for you AmyRose, but that doesn't help me much
[01:54] <soweto76> soccio, upgrades are not yet available
[01:54] <AmyRose> BluesKaj: Well, I'm just saying that the open-source drivers worked better for me
[01:54] <soccio> soweto76: upgrades to what?
[01:55] <choudesh|kernel> I will give you guys a link to -15.25 in a few minutes.
[01:55] <soweto76> soccio, sorry I did not mean to address you, beg pardon
[01:55] <transgress> is there a way from the livecd that i can install grub by hand?
[01:55] <chad_> ok, thanks choudesh
[01:55] <BluesKaj> yeah , I had it working on Edgy , but now I can't find the site with the instructions , due to kernel damage and a new install wiped out all my previous bookmarks etc
[01:55] <soccio> soweto76: nevermind
[01:56] <jtt> BluesKaj: get foxmarks never loose bookmarks again
[01:57] <andre_pl> did someone sabotage feisty?  it was working so well for like a month, now my wireless networking doesn't work, beryl doesn't work and my memory card reader doesn't work.
[01:57] <AmyRose> jtt: It's wiped out my bookmarks more than once :/
[01:57] <andre_pl> it went from best OS to Worst in about 2 days
[01:57] <jtt> AmyRose: foxmarks?
[01:57] <slackern> Run /home on a separate partition
[01:57] <AmyRose> jtt: Yes, Foxmarks
[01:57] <jtt> AmyRose: never had problem one with it
[01:57] <jtt> AmyRose: interesting
[01:57] <AmyRose> andre_pl: Such is life with open-source software, since it's a gift :P
[01:58] <architec0> My ubuntu desktop Edgy Eft always freezes up on me. The mouse can move around the screen but everything else is frozen. What should I do? Thanks in advance
[01:58] <andre_pl> AmyRose: I understand that things break, but this is crazy.
[01:58] <soweto76> Regarding  linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic:  linux-image-generic  is not yet updated for the 20-15 kernel -- upgrades won't work until that is completed.
[01:58] <AmyRose> andre_pl: They're working on it, relax...
[01:58] <matysek> at me everything works... but wifi still not :D
[01:58] <jtt> transgress: yes theres is a way but i cant think of it right now
[01:59] <AmyRose> My wifi is working just fine :S
[01:59] <matysek> lucky person you are
[01:59] <matysek> how i want to use my wifi
[01:59] <AmyRose> matysek: I had problems with the new kernel last night too
[01:59] <jtt> AmyRose: atheros?
[01:59] <matysek> i hate my LAN cabel
[01:59] <andre_pl> My wifi worked out of the box with feisty, it was the most impressive feature and definitely the reason i upgraded.. but it broke a coule days ago. network manager doesn't even show a wireless connection, but restricted manager says the modules are loaded.
[01:59] <AmyRose> jtt: Yes
[02:00] <AmyRose> andre_pl: If you want reliability, use Edgy for now.
[02:00] <mcphail> andre_pl: same here
[02:00] <AmyRose> Or Dapper
[02:00] <matysek> AmyRose: every1 had the same problem... but my wifi started to work last days... only thing is to set it correctly. it still cannot connect
[02:00] <jepeltw> I take it then that no one else has had keyboard breakage?
[02:00] <andre_pl> jepeltw: what kind of breakage?
[02:01] <andre_pl> jepeltw: twice in the past month or so i've booted up my laptop to find the touchapd and keyboard completely useless.
[02:01] <andre_pl> rebooting fixed it... i blamed the hardware.
[02:01] <jepeltw> andre_pl, this started today, after I ran dist-upgrade (I think) after the system has been on for a while, the keyboard stops responding normally and only responds when I press and hold a key for several seconds. When I reboot, at the very end when all processes are stopped, it worked again
[02:01] <jepeltw> andre_pl, my hardware has done that before, but never twice in one day
[02:02] <jepeltw> and since I'm running beta software and just updated...
[02:02] <AmyRose> matysek: Like the topic says--don't use Feisty until it's released if you want stability.
[02:02] <matysek> AmyRose: ic
[02:02] <misfit_toy> andre_pl, my wifi is broken as well...when this kernel issue gets fixed maybe that will put it back in place.
[02:03] <matysek> the only thing i miss in linux is working wifi automatically
[02:03] <matysek> but i am unlucky broadcom 43xx user :D
[02:03] <andre_pl> AmyRose: you keep giving everyone the same response, and its really useless. we're using feisty because we want to test, and help report and fix bugs. if everyone took your advice there would be nobody to find the bugs
[02:03] <andre_pl> misfit_toy: so its something they've disabled as a workaround of some kind? or are you just speculating?
[02:04] <Room-102> I tried to install the nvidia binary driver on kubuntu eisty
[02:04] <Room-102> Damn enter button... lemme finish that..
[02:04] <misfit_toy> andre_pl, pure speculation here
[02:04] <andre_pl> what chipset?
[02:05] <Room-102> andre_pl 8800GTS
[02:05] <andre_pl> sorry, I was talking to misfit_toy
[02:06] <Room-102> andre_pl:  Oh, ok
[02:06] <misfit_toy> andre_pl, you mean the wifi chip?
[02:06] <andre_pl> misfit_toy: yes
[02:06] <thesilentw> so, is the kernel good now ?
[02:06] <misfit_toy> andre_pl, 3com
[02:07] <andre_pl> misfit_toy: mines intel 3945, so  thats a little bit more reassuring.
[02:08] <misfit_toy> thesilentw, I still get an error trying to get kernel updates, so I guess not.
[02:08] <TheVault> Is it ok to update to 2.6.20-14?
[02:08] <thesilentw> no
[02:08] <andre_pl> TheVault: -14 wouldn't download for me, i just got -15 a few minutes ago but it may b\not have spread to all the servers yet.
[02:08] <thesilentw> want was the command for distro upgrade
[02:09] <architec0> My ubuntu desktop Edgy Eft always freezes up on me. The mouse can move around the screen but everything else is frozen. What should I do? Thanks in advance
[02:09] <andre_pl> thesilentw apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:09] <TheVault> andre_pl: Is -15 ok to upgrade to then?
[02:09] <thesilentw> 15 doesnt work for me
[02:10] <andre_pl> architec0: edgy support is in #ubuntu this is for feisty
[02:10] <TheVault> Oh I see
[02:10] <andre_pl> 15 works here.
[02:10] <Room-102> Anyway, to anyone else who wants to help. I have a 8800 GTS and Kubuntu Feisty. I installed restricted-manager that I know ubuntu uses. I used that to install the driver and it doesn't work. when I run startx from the terminal it says their's an input/output error on /dev/nvidia0... Any help?
[02:10] <chad_> 15 doesn't work for me either
[02:10] <andre_pl> what problems are you guys having with 15?
[02:10] <chad_> same problems from -14, freeze at bootup
[02:10] <thesilentw> no boot
[02:11] <Room-102> the new kernel works for me
[02:11] <soweto76> Room-102, how did you install the nvidia drivers?
[02:11] <chad_> it seems to work for some and not others
[02:11] <andre_pl> is it a solid lockup?
[02:11] <thesilentw> chad wats your hardware
[02:11] <chad_> i can't ctrl-alt-f1 or ctrl-alt-del, so I guess so
[02:11] <architec0> andre_pl: #ubuntu  said to come here
[02:11] <thesilentw> cpu, graphics card
[02:11] <Room-102> soweto76: installed restricted-manager did it from there
[02:11] <chad_> AMD Opteron 170 dual core, 2 video cards: 6800GT
[02:11] <misfit_toy> the easiest test for hardware lockup is hit your numlock, if you can toggle the light on and off it's not truly locked up.
[02:11] <andre_pl> i used to get what appeared to be freezes on bootup, but i could alt-f1 and press enter and the boot process would pick up where it left off. it was just sitting at some prompt saying it couldn't load some file... i forget exactly what it said
[02:12] <thesilentw> mine is amd 64 bit 3800+ with a bfg 7800 GT
[02:12] <chad_> misfit_toy: my problem is my USB keyboard I think, the drivers do not get loaded in time before it freezes, so my keyboard is useless
[02:12] <andre_pl> architec0: ubuntu+1 is strictly for feisty fawn support. not edgy, someone told you wrong. :S
[02:13] <soweto76> Room-102, have you tried the new "Restricted drivers manager" from the menu?
[02:13] <misfit_toy> chad_, that's defined also in your xorg.conf, have you looked at that?
[02:13] <Room-102> soweto76: I didn't see one on the Kubuntu menu
[02:14] <chad_> misfit_toy: well it's freezing directly after the boot loading screen shows up, so does xorg have anything to do with that?
[02:14] <soweto76> Room-102, ls -l /usr/bin/restricted-manager   ??
[02:14] <TheVault> So what May 19th hits, will feisty fawn be fully ready?
[02:15] <Room-102> soweto76: Yup
[02:15] <TheVault> *so by May 19th
[02:15] <Room-102> That's what i installed
[02:15] <andre_pl> TheVault: *april 19 :)
[02:15] <andre_pl> TheVault:  intel 3945, so  thats a little bit more
[02:15] <andre_pl>                   reassuring.
[02:15] <TheVault> woops I ment April
[02:15] <andre_pl> and nobody knows.
[02:15] <Tuple> !breakage
[02:15] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[02:15] <andre_pl> ooh. bad pastage.
[02:16] <TheVault> andre_pl: Wait, I thought it was May 19th is when it would be released? They pushed it back?
[02:17] <fiveiron> anyone else have sketchy wifi on a laptop with feisty?
[02:17] <andre_pl> fiveiron: i have no wifi as of 2 or 3 days ago
[02:17] <fiveiron> it connects fine, but then like 10 seconds later the connection gets borked
[02:17] <TheVault> fiveiron: What do you mean sketchy? Slow wifi?
[02:17] <crdlb> fiveiron, what chipset?
[02:17] <xipietotec> I've got some *very* strange behavior now from feisty, and it's all brand new, within the last 2 weeks updates
[02:17] <xipietotec> scratch that, within the last 5 days or so
[02:17] <andre_pl> TheVault: its always been april as far as I know... thats where the .04 comes from in the version number
[02:18] <BHSPitMonkey> TheVault, it's always been April 19 on the schedule
[02:18] <BHSPitMonkey> and yeah, it's not 7.05
[02:18] <andre_pl> xipietotec: me too. its disturbing.
[02:18] <andre_pl> xipietotec: i blame terrorists. its sabotage.
[02:18] <TheVault> Maybe I read the wrong source of the release date. Oh well, Thanks 4 correcting me
[02:18] <xipietotec> bootup takes more than a minute after I get to the GDM screen, e.g., after I put in my name and password. Deskbar crashes on start up, and if I shut down with any programs open, it reopens them on startup
[02:19] <fiveiron>  crdlb one sec
[02:19] <xipietotec> if I suspend to disk, the whole WM stops working correctly.
[02:19] <xipietotec> no amount of restarting it fixes it either
[02:19] <andre_pl> xipietotec: that last one might not necessarily be a bug, you can configure it to do that... my deskbar has been broken for a while too...
[02:19] <TheVault> Yeah, I have suspend problems as well.
[02:19] <andre_pl> xipietotec: bootup here is pretty quick though
[02:20] <xipietotec> bootup probably takes about 2 minutes even.
[02:20] <andre_pl> xipietotec: 2 mins from gdm to desktop is crazy, its probably because its loading the previous session and all the open programs.
[02:20] <concept10> Deskbar can be fixed by removing the script it crashes on
[02:20] <xipietotec> andre_pl: no, it does it even if there are no programs open
[02:20] <andre_pl> concept10: i can't even right-click the deskbar to chance anything
[02:21] <andre_pl> xipietotec: i dunno about that one then... like I said, its quite snappy over here.
[02:21] <concept10> andre_pl, deskbar is nice, but some of the plugins are buggy.  I know exactly what you are talking about.  I can help you if you post the information
[02:22] <concept10> andre_pl, you cant remove it from the panel because it crashes before you get the chance to right?
[02:22] <andre_pl> concept10: its just greyed out right now and doesn't respond to anything.
[02:22] <jrib> andre_pl, concept10: workaround: use gconf-editor to remove it
[02:22] <concept10> andre_pl, do you know what it crashes on?
[02:23] <andre_pl> concept10: no idea.
[02:23] <concept10> jrib, that will not work
[02:23] <jrib> I do it every time I log in...
[02:23] <feistyman> anyone know the code to install google earth?
[02:23] <concept10> jrib, well thats a permanent fix
[02:23] <jrib> feistyman: google-earth is packaged in medibuntu repos
[02:23] <feistyman> jrib, what does that mean?
[02:24] <jrib> concept10: it was only a response to the "I can't right click on it" comment
[02:24] <matysek> my googleearth works good
[02:24] <matysek> and picasa also
[02:24] <concept10> andre_pl, To fix it, I did this for example:  I found out what was causing it to crash and I removed that plugin
[02:24] <andre_pl> concept10: where do you go to remove these plugins?
[02:24] <andre_pl> concept10 and how did you find out which one was crashing it?
[02:24] <jrib> feistyman: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[02:24] <feistyman> matysek, how did you install google earth? I've got the "bin" file on my desktop
[02:24] <fiveiron>  crdlb: ok... i've gone dumb... how do I find the chipset?
[02:24] <HOT> hey guys, anyone had any luck getting feisty working with vmware workstation beta 6?
[02:25] <crdlb> fiveiron, lspci|grep Ethernet
[02:25] <concept10> andre_pl, are you not getting any message boxes ?
[02:25] <matysek> feistyman: wanna know? :) i'll give you one link which will help you...
[02:25] <matysek> wait
[02:25] <feistyman> ok
[02:25] <fiveiron> crdlb: realtek   ... rtl-8139/8139C/8139C+
[02:25] <andre_pl> concept10:  no, but I just killed the process and started it again and it actually appears to be working
[02:26] <fiveiron> crdlb: sorry thats wrong
[02:26] <fiveiron> crdlb: its a Broadcom BCM4318
[02:26] <concept10> andre_pl, go through there and remove any buggy plugins
[02:26] <matysek> feistyman: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy#How_to_install_Google_Earth
[02:26] <andre_pl> concept10: which plugins would  you consider to be "buggy" ?
[02:27] <feistyman> Thanks, matysek, I'm checking it out now>
[02:27] <jrib> andre_pl: /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/deskbar-applet -w      will let you run it from a terminal and you can see where it gets stuck
[02:27] <andre_pl> jrib: thats the thing, it didn't get stuck, i just killed and restarted it and it didn't crash/.
[02:27] <concept10> jrib, thats a great asset
[02:28] <concept10> andre_pl, well you may want to take his advice, run it that way and see what errors it produces
[02:28] <matysek> feistyman: but there is an little error, when making shortcut to menu... but you can do it yourself... just give command googleearth some icon
[02:29] <matysek> feistyman: dont run it immediatelly after install
[02:29] <crdlb> fiveiron, that driver is new in feisty, but I've only heard of problems with atheros cards
[02:29] <jrib> andre_pl: if it only does it on startup, then just start disabling plugins and logging out and back in to narrow it down.  For me, the tracker plugin messes up
[02:29] <feistyman> matysek, I'm still not getting it. There is some code I'm supposed to type in the terminal, right?
[02:29] <matysek> feistyman: well, you are using linux... you have to do a lot of things in terminal
[02:30] <matysek> feistyman: do it step by step... i have to reboot machine now. sorry. brb
[02:30] <feistyman> matysek, the codes on that page don't seem to work. I'll keep trying.
[02:30] <jrib> feistyman: if you use the medibuntu repos, you can then just use Synaptic to install googleearth
[02:31] <arejay> How do you enable syslog -r in ubuntu
[02:36] <feistyman> jrib, I'm looking at the medibuntu page. Am I supposed to be able to click on something?
[02:37] <jrib> feistyman: "Repository HowTo"
[02:37] <jrib> you'll need to copy and paste 3 commands
[02:38] <feistyman> jrib, I'm looking at that page. Do I enter the feisty code in the terminal?
[02:38] <jrib> feistyman: yes, all 3 commands
[02:38] <jrib> feistyman: gpg, sources.list, update
[02:38] <feistyman> ok
[02:38] <spiderfire> hi
[02:38] <spiderfire> how is feisty?
[02:39] <spiderfire> its not working?
[02:39] <jrib> it's working for me
[02:40] <AdministratorX> I love Feisty, running it on five different systems here. 3 laptops to desktops.
[02:40] <usher_> how do i fix the kernel dealy majig
[02:40] <Draconicus> brb
[02:40] <AdministratorX>  Good way to find bugs as well
[02:40] <misfit_toy> usher_, lol, I haven't heard that phrase in ages.
[02:40] <spiderfire> jrib: no problems?
[02:41] <feistyman> jrib, That sure entered a lot of info in the terminal. How does that get me Google Earth?
[02:41] <AdministratorX> two desktops
[02:41] <usher_> i had it on my laptop, but the wireless was unable to connect to WPA
[02:41] <macpo3> not sure what I've done, but I don't seem to have a window manager any more :(
[02:41] <AdministratorX> No problem with WPA here so far
[02:41] <usher_> wow, launchpad is pretty
[02:42] <usher_> when did it get all neon green and what not
[02:42] <jrib> feistyman: sudo aptitude install googleearth
[02:42] <AdministratorX> I have one sound problem but it is a kernel bug on that laptop. Soon to be fixed I hope
[02:43] <macpo3> any suggestions for how I start / enable / install / reinstall a gnome window manager?
[02:43] <misfit_toy> so to make sure I understand, we do *not* want to load that .14 kernel correct?
[02:43] <misfit_toy> macpo3, try "metacity --replace"
[02:43] <feistyman> jrib, It appears to install now...
[02:43] <AdministratorX> sudo apt-get install gnome
[02:46] <chad_> misfit_toy: the .14 kernel seems to have a lot of problems. The .15 kernel is supposedly better, but still causing some problems for some users.
[02:47] <chad_> I'm hoping they release the -15.25 version soon for i386, there is only the x64 version available.
[02:47] <feistyman> jrib, I guess it installed. How do I find it on my computer?
[02:48] <jrib> feistyman: there may be a menu option in the internet submenu.  If not, type 'google-earth' or 'googleearth' in a terminal
[02:49] <Arko> hi
[02:49] <feistyman> jrib, it says "command not found" for both
[02:49] <Arko> after update I got this error: ata1.00 : revalidation failed (errno=-19). Help!!!
[02:49] <poningru> err right
[02:50] <poningru> Arko: topic dude
[02:50] <poningru> it should be fixed by tomorrow or something
[02:51] <jrib> feistyman: dpkg -L googleearth | grep bin
[02:51] <Arko> :(
[02:52] <feistyman> jrib, sorry things haven't gone so well. It now says package was not installed. I defintely saw it installing. But it's not there now.
[02:52] <Arko> I can't believe that
[02:52] <jrib> feistyman: check the output from before
[02:53] <feistyman> jrib, sorry, how do I do that?
[02:53] <Arko> is there a way to unupgrade?
[02:53] <jrib> feistyman: you should be able to scroll up
[02:54] <feistyman> jrib, there doesn't seem to be anything to scroll up to.
[02:54] <jrib> feistyman: try to install it again then
[02:55] <feistyman> Jrib, should it be placed in one of those accessible files, like "internet" Does it know which place to go to?
[02:55] <usher_> is it against the rules of the world for me to be able to have an 80GB SATA HD for a Ubuntu Linux partition and an 80GB SATA HD for a WinXP partition and then an 80GB IDE HD for the two partitions to share - for music, movies, etc?
[02:55] <jrib> feistyman: it should, but it won't be if the package wasn't installed
[02:55] <jrib> usher_: no
[02:55] <feistyman> how do I uninstall it
[02:55] <usher_> so this is possible
[02:56] <jrib> feistyman: didn't you just say it wasn't installed?
[02:56] <usher_> would it be hard to do
[02:56] <jrib> usher_: yes, I would just use ext3 to share and install a driver on windows so it could use ext3
[02:56] <harrisony> Arko: you mean downgrade?
[02:56] <feistyman> Yes, but that doesn't mean it isn't there somewhere... does it? It's kind of confusing to me. I wish there was some file I could click open and see of the program is physically there or not.
[02:57] <Arko> harrisony: yep
[02:57] <jrib> feistyman: apt-cache policy googleearth
[02:57] <harrisony> Arko: when you boot up, does it have Grub Loading press ESC to see menu?
[02:58] <feistyman> It says installed "none"
[02:58] <Arko> harrisony : I see menu
[02:58] <jrib> feistyman: right, so now lets try to install it again:  sudo aptitude install googleearth   .  But pastebin the output so we can see what goes wrong
[02:58] <harrisony> Arko: when you get to the grub menu choose one of the older kernals if not boot into rescue mode and then you can install another kernal from CLI
[02:58] <Arko> but the other option is 2.6.20-13. I would like to boot 2.6.14
[02:59] <harrisony> Arko: you could compile your own kernel
[02:59] <Arko> how could they release such broken stuff?
[02:59] <jrib> Arko: it isn't released
[02:59] <feistyman> Jrib, the liscening agreement has appeared on my terminal screen. But I can seem to do anything with it.
[03:00] <macpo3> ok, tried sudo apt-get install gnome, still got no window manager ....
[03:00] <Arko> release or upgrade or whathever
[03:00] <jrib> Arko: you're using a beta product
[03:00] <jrib> you are the tester
[03:00] <harrisony> macpo3: read the topic. that may help
[03:00] <macpo3> if you play with a pre-release beta, expect things to break and stop whining about buiild quality
[03:00] <Arko> hmmm
[03:01] <harrisony> macpo3: and the command would be sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[03:01] <jrib> feistyman: can you press tab maybe to get to an "OK"?  I'll try to install it here too, but it says it will take 15 more minutes to download
[03:01] <Arko> how to rebuild the kernel?
[03:01] <macpo3> ah ... that wasn't what was suggested last time
[03:01] <harrisony> Arko: that is for you to work out, its quite advance stuff tho. google compiling a kernel the ubuntu way
[03:02] <Arko> harrisony: okay
[03:02] <jrib> !kernel > Arko    (Arko, see the private message from ubotu)
[03:02] <harrisony> Arko: like i condiser my self an advance user but...i only ever run beta releases of ubuntu under Vmware. i am still running Edgy on this computer now
[03:02] <feistyman> Jrib, it worked. You're a genius. Thanks so much!!!
[03:03] <Arko> sorry, but I do not agree with you guys
[03:04] <harrisony> Arko: ??
[03:04] <Arko> I think if it is a beta release, it has small problems, not such huge problem like that
[03:06] <harrisony> Arko: Its more of an Alpha release, there is a difference bewteen beta software and beta operating systems
[03:06] <spikeb> beta means feature complete, not "lack of problems"
[03:06] <macpo3> ok, more info: if I try and start preferences -> windows I get "Cannot start the preferences application for your window manager. Window manager 'unknown' has not registered a configuration tool"
[03:06] <harrisony> Arko: it also does say on the download page this is reccomended for advance users and most advance users know what to do when it comes to fixing problems
[03:06] <macpo3> I can only run a single application at a time
[03:07] <AnRkey> hi all
[03:08] <AnRkey> any more news on RC1's problems?
[03:08] <harrisony> macpo3: try xubuntu-desktop its alot lighter and looks more like gnome
[03:08] <harrisony> !brekage > AnRkey
[03:08] <misfit_toy> ok, there's a 15.14 now, is that good?
[03:08] <snax> I got a larger monitor; is there a way to change the resolution of the splash screen/console?
[03:08] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: as of when?  I tried about 5 min ago.
[03:09] <AnRkey> harrisony: that didn't work
[03:09] <AnRkey> !breakage
[03:09] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[03:09] <misfit_toy> NoelJB, as of 1 minute ago :)
[03:09] <AnRkey> ahh the a :D
[03:09] <AnRkey> thanks harrisony
[03:09] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: so I see.  I just ran apt-get update
[03:10] <NoelJB> I've been upgrading daily, running feisty under VMware 6
[03:10] <NoelJB> Whenever it breaks, I tend to find out real fast.
[03:10] <NoelJB> So far it has been pretty good except for a month ago, when paravirt broke.
[03:15] <thill2708> why am I not able to read a dvd+r burned in windows on my feisty system?
[03:15] <AnRkey> i am just itching to try RC1
[03:16] <harrisony> i wish n00bs would listen and pay attension to the line "For advance users only" on the Feisty download page
[03:17] <noisymouse> I recently reconfigured xorg, and now the resolution I want, which I've specified in /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not match the resolution that is actually being used.
[03:18] <greg_g> hey harrisony, I don't want to butt in here, but(t), there is no reason to call a person who made a mistake a "n00b" (in such great leet speak) especially while he is still here.  and for what it is worth, I think that he did make a mistake by installing it and not being an "advanced user" but geez man
[03:18] <greg_g> damnit, he left
[03:18] <noisymouse> How can I fix this?
[03:18] <thill2708> anyone else have problems with dvd+r's?
[03:18] <Naddiseo> noisymouse, reboot?
[03:19] <greg_g> not reboot
[03:19] <greg_g> restart x
[03:19] <greg_g> ctrl, alt, backspace
[03:19] <Naddiseo> yeah, but sometimes it doesn't restart x
[03:19] <Naddiseo> it dumps you onto command line with an error
[03:19] <AnRkey> thill2708: writing to them with feisty or installing from them?
[03:19] <noisymouse> Naddiseo: My machine's been reboot several times while xorg.conf has had a different resolution than the one being used.
[03:19] <greg_g> then I retrack my statement
[03:19] <thill2708> reading from them when they've been burned in a windows program ... in windows
[03:20] <misfit_toy> ok, 15.14 is ready, anybody tried it yet? I need to reboot to fix network-mgr and wifi....
[03:20] <thill2708> damn thing doesn't even mount in feisty
[03:20] <noisymouse> is there a way to change the solutions that are available when reconfiguring xorg?
[03:20] <Naddiseo> noisymouse, do you use nvidia?
[03:20] <noisymouse> *solutions=resolutions
[03:20] <Kikkoman> I guess upgrading to Feisty isn't the best idea, so it seems.
[03:20] <noisymouse> Naddiseo, yes.
[03:20] <Kikkoman> Is this true? :P
[03:20] <ShackJack> Kikkoman - nope.
[03:20] <Naddiseo> Hmm, have you tried using nvidia's configure thingy?
[03:21] <Naddiseo> nvidia-xconfig or something
[03:21] <Naddiseo> there's a gui thing
[03:21] <noisymouse> Naddiseo, I'll try that.
[03:21] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: when I run apt-get -s upgrade right now, I see that "linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic" are held back.  Do you see the same?
[03:21] <mphill> i have amd64 system that would only boot if i disabled the boot splash, was this part of the breakage?
[03:22] <AnRkey> ok later all
[03:23] <Naddiseo> noisymouse, http://pastebin.ca/439080 <-- that's my xorg.conf, I'm at 1024x768 at 75Hz
[03:23] <misfit_toy> Noel, I think those are the 14 ones, right? that would make sense, they don't want to push them
[03:23] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: so they fixed the 403 by changing the meta-data for the installer is what we're both saying?
[03:23] <feistyman> jrib, are you there. I just wanted to make sure I said "Thank-you."
[03:23] <mon^rch> I upgraded my kernel... hope all will be well...
[03:24] <misfit_toy> NoelJB, that's my guess, it's still in local caches so they changed the meta to just not push it.
[03:24] <noisymouse> okay. Thanks. (restarting x). hopefully i won't have to come back.
[03:24] <marcel> hi who can help me upgrade my kernel
[03:24] <Naddiseo> *nods* good lock
[03:24] <mphill> i'm running just fine on my i386 box
[03:24] <mphill> we'll see
[03:24] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: +1  (FWIW, I purged my cache earlier "just in case")
[03:25] <NoelJB> and yes, the 14 ones.
[03:25] <misfit_toy> I'm going to just reboot, damn the torpedoes, this is what it's all about anyway, if anyone has anything to say say it now or hold your peace forever....and why didn't you speak up at my wedding?
[03:25] <NoelJB> LOL  See you in a few.
[03:25] <misfit_toy> here goes....
[03:25] <Room-102> Does anyone have the nvidia binary drives working in Feisty?
[03:25] <jrib> feistyman: np, glad to help
[03:26] <jrib> Room-102: yes
[03:26] <feistyman> jrib, I really appreciate it. I don't know how you know all those install codes. Hope to be like that someday
[03:26] <Room-102> They won't work for me. I'm on Kubuntu and When i look at the logfile it says it carn't find libwbf.
[03:27] <macpo3> now I know what broke it - removing "network manager" took away ubuntu-desktop
[03:27] <jrib> feistyman: just experience, you'll pick up a lot of new stuff really fast, especially if you are new to linux
[03:27] <Room-102> Can anyone help me?
[03:27] <feistyman> I am new, about three weeks into it. But I really like the software that's available.
[03:28] <feistyman> jrib, gotta go now. Take care!
[03:28] <jrib> feistyman: bye
[03:29] <sonoftheclayr> the last time a kernel will be released on friday the 13th?
[03:29] <jrib> haha
[03:29] <Room-102> Anyone?
[03:30] <Naddiseo> Room-102, have you tried installing libwbf
[03:30] <Naddiseo> what ever it is
[03:30] <Naddiseo> !ubotu libwbf
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libwbf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <fruxo> Does anybody have an idea when the installer will be fixed from the latest boot breakage+
[03:31] <misfit_toy> 15 definitely doesn't work
[03:32] <maccam94> are things still broken today? i haven't upgraded in over 24 hours, so my system never broke. should I hold off on updating?
[03:32] <misfit_toy> maccam94, thats a definite yes, hold off
[03:32] <maccam94> k, thanks for the info
[03:33] <meff> heh only on some systems
[03:33] <meff> my p-d 830, asus p5ld2 boots 14 and 15 just fine
[03:33] <ShackJack> I'm just having the 403 issue on the linux module...
[03:33] <meff> apt-get update
[03:33] <ShackJack> aptitude update :)
[03:34] <maccam94> well my evga nvidia 680i mobo, geforce 8800GTS, and lvm setup make things unstable enough as it is, so i'll hold off ;-)
[03:34] <meff> ah
[03:35] <meff> my board is intel, cpu is intel, 7900gs gfx.. all boots fine
[03:35] <BluesKaj> got DRI working on ATI , usd the edgy instructions ..worked fine
[03:35] <meff> lvm2 etc..
[03:35] <mon^rch> ".15" kernel still isn't recognizing one of my drives
[03:36] <meff> heh odd that my box isnt having problems
[03:36] <meff> friday the 13th luck i guess
[03:36] <fruxo> Does anybody know when the feisty images are usually updated?
[03:36] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: for what class of drives does it fail?
[03:37] <mon^rch> and the other kernel has an update now... I think I'll wait
[03:38] <fruxo> hmm, any way to disable the SATA subsystem and fall back to the old one?
[03:38] <fruxo> I have a PATA disk anyway
[03:38] <NoelJB> is it only effecting SATA systems?  SCSI would be safe?
[03:38] <meff> i have a wdc 500 and 320 sata
[03:38] <meff> working fine
[03:39] <mon^rch> odd, I have two Western Digital SATA, but it only see's one
[03:39] <meff> look at your dmesg log
[03:40] <misfit_toy> the good news is that the reboot fixed wifi! yay.
[03:40] <misfit_toy> or more exactly network-manager, as there was an update today
[03:40] <misfit_toy> hm...weird though, network-manager now just says "manual configuration", doesn't list wifi hotspots...oh well, at least it doesn't have a red X on it and wifi works.
[03:41] <misfit_toy> NoelJB, I have no idea
[03:41] <meff> hm
[03:41] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: that sounds like what I'd expect from the description of today's fix to the network manager
[03:42] <misfit_toy> NoelJB, I'm on the 14 kernel BEFORE today...and that still works, but the 15 throws an X error.
[03:42] <NoelJB> I've the 14 kernel from April 2
[03:43] <thill2708> This (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/1685) reports the question is answered, but I find no answer to my dvd+r problem. Any other places I could look besides ubuntuforums?
[03:44] <xeternal> where can i find the new kernel .deb
[03:44] <NoelJB> xeternal: I believe that you wait until it is posted.
[03:44] <NoelJB> then apt-get will fetch it for you.
[03:44] <xeternal> my system is broken
[03:44] <NoelJB> or the apt gui front end of your choice.
[03:45] <xeternal> I can't connect to net
[03:45] <NoelJB> xeternal: then I believe your path is to go back, not forward, at the moment.
[03:45] <xeternal> I can boot on safe mode
[03:45] <NoelJB> you do still have the previous kernel in grub, right?
[03:46] <xeternal> but it is shows mismatch or corrupt stag1/stag2
[03:46] <xeternal> should I reinstall grub
[03:46] <xeternal> at all back version
[03:47] <NoelJB> what did you try to boot?
[03:48] <maccam94> meff, for a while feisty wouldn't boot my lvm2 setup because of some dmraid issue... but i'm doubtful this install will last 6 months. upgraded from edgy, had used automatix, /home is being moved, experimental software is always being installed... haha.
[03:48] <xeternal> I boot from  win grub ,and copy the /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-14 to /vmlinuz ,so the img file
[03:49] <NoelJB> uh ... why didn't you just ask grub to boot to one of the previous feisty kernels?  it maintains several when upgrading.
[03:50] <NoelJB> see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:50] <xeternal> I tried all , but all shows mismatch or corrupt stag1/stag2 except in safe mode
[03:50] <misfit_toy> !kernel
[03:50] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[03:51] <maccam94> linux-image-2.6.20-14.23-generic should be avoided?
[03:51] <meff> in general..
[03:51] <maccam94> i have .22 atm
[03:51] <meff> besides, 15.25 is out now..
[03:52] <tmccrary> meff: does that mean an upgrade should fix the problem in the topic?
[03:52] <misfit_toy> I'm on the 2.6.20-14-386 and it's ok, that's before today's issues, so anyone who is fairly up to date should be able to boot that just fine.
[03:52] <misfit_toy> just pick that kernel during grub boot
[03:52] <meff> should.. in theory, tmccrary  ;)
[03:53] <meff> i have yet to boot it myself
[03:53] <meff> its the second -15 that came out today
[03:53] <gils> why does my update manager insists on still trying to get the old kernel?
[03:53] <NoelJB> xeternal: "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-333708.html"
[03:54] <NoelJB> xeternal: and I presume you mean stage1 not stag1
[03:54] <xeternal> thanks
[03:54] <tmccrary> I'm in a livecd, chrooted into my install
[03:55] <xeternal> yes
[03:55] <NoelJB> gils: perhaps they haven't updated the meta-data yet
[03:57] <xeternal> I just think why it is boot ok with safe mode
[03:57] <Arko> how to install 2.6.20-15.24?
[04:01] <mphill> http://www.tux500.com/
[04:01] <NoelJB> mphill: context?
[04:02] <Beta> I come to ask, my gurus, if there is a way to get more applets for my interface bars.
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> mphill: don't advertise here.
[04:02] <mphill> ok
[04:03] <Beta> Such as meter like the CPU one, only for ram usage.
[04:03] <mphill> Beta: yes
[04:03] <Beta> I just found it, enver mind.
[04:03] <mphill> add a system monitor, then right click
[04:09] <misfit_toy> wow, they've been predicting big storms here tonite, the wind just picked up and is howling, supposedly 1-3 inch hail incoming....sheesh.
[04:09] <tmccrary> it is truly the apocsaclips
[04:09] <deepsa> where is it?
[04:09] <misfit_toy> austin, TX
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> misfit_toy: cool
[04:10] <deepsa> i would like to be there
[04:10] <soothsay> tmccrary: You should probably check the spelling of that word
[04:10] <maccam94> soothsay, lol
[04:10] <tmccrary> soothsay: Me fail english? thats unpossible!
[04:10] <deepsa> lol
[04:10] <misfit_toy> oops, lights flickering here....
[04:10] <maccam94> misfit_toy, usually that's a bad sign
[04:10] <deepsa> lol. you gonna die misfit_toy?
[04:10] <maccam94> FRIDAY THE 13TH!!!!!
[04:10] <maccam94> lol
[04:10] <misfit_toy> the best thing about laptops is the battery, but when your router dies, battery doesn't help much.
[04:11] <maccam94> deepsa, no but his computer probably will
[04:11] <deepsa> lol
[04:11] <maccam94> haha
[04:11] <misfit_toy> I think I just saw a dog being blown up the street
[04:11] <misfit_toy> or a small person
[04:11] <tmccrary> thats what usually happens
[04:11] <maccam94> blown as in wind or explosion?
[04:11] <tmccrary> you must have been "LEFT BEHIND"
[04:11] <misfit_toy> wind
[04:12] <maccam94> good, those dang terryrests are bein kept over the that thar middle-east
[04:13] <maccam94> misfit_toy, wait you're getting a big storm too? do you know if that's the same one heading for the northeast or a different one?
[04:13] <maccam94> we're supposed to get a ton of snow/rain over the weekend up here
[04:13] <fruxo> Hmm, is it possible to find an initrd image for the new kernel online somewhere?
[04:13] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: are you seeing newer kernels than you installed?  the held back status is gone.
[04:13] <Saelynh> Hi
[04:13] <misfit_toy> NoelJB, lemme check
[04:13] <Saelynh> anyone know the name of the dock mac-like for beryl ?
[04:14] <maccam94> Saelynh, there are a few
[04:14] <misfit_toy> maccam94, I think the whole country is going to have weird weather tonite, we need to ask Al Gore
[04:14] <maccam94> avant-window-navigator
[04:14] <maccam94> beryl-dock
[04:14] <maccam94> kxdocker
[04:14] <tprice> hey all
[04:14] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: another global warming person?  c'mon, your president says that it doesn't exist.  you do believe him, right?
[04:15] <tprice> can anyone give me some help with ubuntu server 6.1
[04:15] <NoelJB> read that as dripping with sarcasm.
[04:15] <maccam94> Saelynh, cairo-dock has been replaced by something else...
[04:15] <misfit_toy> I wouldn't believe Bush if his hair was on fire and I had a bucket of water.
[04:15] <maccam94> NoelJB, this whole channel is a bottle of sarcasm
[04:15] <maccam94> lol
[04:16] <fruxo> Has the newly released kernel fixed the boot problems for anybody here+
[04:16] <maccam94> misfit_toy, that would be sweet. you'd have something to drink while watching the festivities
[04:16] <mphill> how does Bush or global warming have anything to do with this channel?
[04:16] <misfit_toy> maccam94, true!
[04:16] <maccam94> mphill, very slightly tangentially
[04:16] <NoelJB> mphill: it doesn't, which is why I moved my comment with misfit_toy to a priv
[04:16] <Saelynh> nothing into beryl ?
[04:16] <mphill> we just had a blizzard here in april
[04:16] <maccam94> Saelynh, there's beryl-dock
[04:16] <maccam94> Saelynh, aka bdock
[04:16] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: any news on the apt-get update; apt-get -s upgrade front?
[04:16] <Saelynh> I use gnome panel before but with beryl I cant unhide it :|
[04:16] <maccam94> i think it's just a reworked windowmaker app tho
[04:17] <misfit_toy> hm, bdock must not be the apt name, what is it? I'd like to take a look!
[04:17] <maccam94> Saelynh, imo there isn't anything that can truly replace gnome-panel atm. what do you mean you can't unhide it?
[04:17] <misfit_toy> whoah, trees sideways here
[04:17] <maccam94> misfit_toy, it's very experimental afaik, definitely not a package in ubuntu
[04:18] <misfit_toy> ah, k
[04:18] <tprice> I'm trying to load the gui for server 6.1 it starts to run and just locks up
[04:18] <NickGarvey> does the alternative cd install packages from the internet during the "installing base system" phase?
[04:18] <NickGarvey> I am aware there is a problem with the kernel in the repos, and my install is breaking at that point, so I was wondering if they were the same thing?
[04:18] <Saelynh> I just make a bar on the right with icons aplications
[04:19] <fruxo> So the new kernel hasn't fixed the boot problem for anybody?
[04:19] <Saelynh> I set hide to 0 in gconf
[04:19] <maccam94> misfit_toy, it's in beryl's svn repository: http://bugs.beryl-project.org/browser/trunk/bdock?rev=4514
[04:19] <Saelynh> I do the same thing into dapper, It's work
[04:19] <misfit_toy> maccam94, thx
[04:19] <Saelynh> but know on feisty I cant unhide it :(
[04:19] <maccam94> NickGarvey, i believe so. it is simply a text-based installer with a few extras like lvm support
[04:20] <Saelynh> I think I do something wrong with beryl but I don't know what :/
[04:20] <maccam94> i dunno if it does dist-upgrade stuff though...
[04:20] <maccam94> Saelynh, my gnome-panel works fine with beryl :-\
[04:20] <Saelynh> yes
[04:20] <NickGarvey> I wish I had popped in here before I reinstalled ubuntu though hah
[04:21] <Saelynh> I do something wrong with beryl
[04:21] <Saelynh> but I dont know what :/
[04:21] <maccam94> NickGarvey, i'm pretty sure it can be installed without an internet connection though.
[04:21] <NoelJB> maccam94: +1
[04:22] <maccam94> Saelynh, maybe try backing up you beryl configuration, and resetting it?
[04:22] <NoelJB> sorry ... in case that wasn't clear, apache-speak for agreement.
[04:22] <NickGarvey> maccam94: yeah, what I ended up doing was picking a kernel off the CD instead of the repos
[04:23] <maccam94> NoelJB, oh darn, for a second I thought I was being promoted :-P
[04:24] <NoelJB> :)
[04:34] <linux_kid> nm-applet died after an update, is that normal breakage?
[04:35] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, it was for me a week ago, but today "kinda" fixed it...
[04:36] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, thank you, i've been using windozes since
[04:36] <misfit_toy> not me, networking still works just N-M had issues.
[04:37] <mphill> the other day i had an awesome looking volume control that was transparent with composite, now it looks like this. http://www.mphill.org/~mphill/this_volume_stinks.jpg  any clues how to get it back to the nice looking one?
[04:38] <misfit_toy> mphill, without looking at your link, it's probably your metacity theme
[04:38] <misfit_toy> mphill, try using tango for your icon theme
[04:38] <mphill> i have not altered my theme
[04:39] <mphill> its a large mac osx looking volume indicator
[04:39] <mphill> i am using tango.
[04:39] <balster_neb> looks like the 20-15.25 kernel is already on archive.ubuntu.com, but the packages list hasn't been updated yet
[04:40] <Pici> mphill: I know what you're referring to, and it went away for me too
[04:40] <Pici> mphill: I'm not sure if I changed something though, I was playing around with my xorg.conf
[04:41] <mphill> Pici, I have not played with anything, its just seems to come and go with updates...
[04:41] <mphill> bummer, it looks really nice!
[04:42] <fiveLaptop> bleh... anyone else having problems with broadcom wifi drivers?
[04:45] <thelaser> looks like the package list just updated for i386
[04:46] <BluesKaj> yup
[04:46] <M4ri00sh> wow, feisty update manager just donwloaded 250 updates :) it was just a week ago I  did installed some other updates :P
[04:46] <M4ri00sh> :D
[04:48] <NickGarvey> M4ri00sh: I'm on file 199 of 300 :)
[04:48] <thelaser> so, would upgrading from edgy to feisty right now be a poor idea?
[04:48] <M4ri00sh> hahaha
[04:48] <NickGarvey> thelaser: right now? yes!
[04:48] <NickGarvey> thelaser: kernel problems all over the place :-\
[04:48] <xtknight> hasnt that stuff been fixed
[04:48] <xtknight> ?
[04:50] <linux_kid> xtknight, not really
[04:50] <balster_neb> thelaser: i was just about to do my edgy to feisty upgrade about 16 hours ago when I realised there were kernel problems everywhere
[04:51] <thelaser> so was I.
[04:51] <balster_neb> I'm just waiting to see how 20-15.25 works out
[04:51] <balster_neb> I guess that's what I get for planning an upgrade on friday the 13th :)
[04:52] <BluesKaj> hmm, knock on wood..but Ihaven't had a kernel problem ...just my own lack caution got me in trouble with feisty
[04:53] <BluesKaj> of course I haven't rebooted since the last kernel upgrade came down the pipe
[04:54] <balster_neb> yup, the package list has been updated
[04:58] <thelaser> any recommendations as to how long I should wait before trying edgy => feisty?
[04:58] <Falstius> It seems it is a good thing I didn't turn on my computer this morning and load the updates.
[04:58] <M4ri00sh> try it now
[04:58] <M4ri00sh> :P
[04:59] <K`zan> Anyone else getting this: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb  403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.31 80] 
[04:59] <M4ri00sh> i think i did
[04:59] <M4ri00sh> not sure
[05:00] <M4ri00sh> some downloads failed
[05:00] <K`zan> I've got a custom kernel, but wanted to be sure I didn't have some problem, that IP is not blocked here...
[05:00] <Falstius> K`zan: I am ... that's actually why I came online, to see if it was in the topic (which it kind of is)
[05:00] <balster_neb> thelaser: I'm just waiting to see if the latest kernel causes any problems for people
[05:01] <K`zan> My custom one works fine :), the low latency destktop really helps.
[05:01] <beg1689> the one mentioned in the topic?
[05:01] <balster_neb> if it seems to work, I will do my upgrade as soon as my local mirror updates
[05:01] <beg1689> is gnome-compiz-manager going to be included in feisty?
[05:01] <beg1689> its very nice
[05:01] <K`zan> Ah, missed topic :).
[05:01] <K`zan> Never mind ;-).
[05:02] <Chetwin> Can I have network manager remember my key without having to use the keyring in gnome?
[05:02] <beg1689> yes
[05:02] <beg1689> i had that same question just a few days ago
[05:02] <K`zan>  /msg ubotu breakage
[05:02] <beg1689> hold on ill find the package that i needed
[05:03] <K`zan> I guess I had better leave the box up until this is resolved, lest I boot not...
[05:03] <beg1689> libpam-keyring
[05:03] <beg1689> install that ^ then there is a small change i believe you need to make, check the README.Debian
[05:03] <NoelJB> balster_neb: I'll try it in a moment.
[05:04] <thelaser> K`zan: Fixes should be available on archive...
[05:04] <beg1689> the only catch is that the keyring password needs to be the same as your login password
[05:04] <NoelJB> mind you, I run feisty as a VMI kernel inside of VMware, so the H/W environment is a bit different ...
[05:05] <os2mac> so has anyone been having problems with power management?
[05:05] <beg1689> vmware just reminds me of my inexplainable wine problem
[05:05] <thelaser> Can the keyring password be changed now?  Last time I looked (months ago) it couldn't.
[05:05] <beg1689> nope not here
[05:05] <eck> K`zan: the pre-emption (low-latency) patches are in the ubuntu kernel
[05:05] <beg1689> i dont know, but you can probably delete the keyring and make a new one
[05:05] <beg1689> or change your logon pass
[05:06] <beg1689> afaik theres no way to have different passwords
[05:06] <eck> well i guess they are not patches, but the preemption option is enabled
[05:06] <NoelJB> beg1689: YMMV.  WFM.
[05:06] <beg1689> NoelJB: i hae no iea what you just said
[05:06] <Dekkard> heh
[05:07] <M4ri00sh> Setting up ubuntu-desktop ... (1-43) -- How long this takes this time :)
[05:07] <eck> doesn't the keyring just use pam?
[05:07] <thelaser> Hmm... probably no hope of unlocking the keyring with thinkfinger, eh?
[05:07] <K`zan> eck: Not according to what was in .config, I had to set it.
[05:07] <beg1689> eck: only if that package is installed
[05:08] <os2mac> no one having problems with laptop power management in Fiesty?
[05:08] <beg1689> not here
[05:08] <beg1689> laptop working fine
[05:08] <NoelJB> beg1689: Your Mileage May Vary.  Works For Me.
[05:08] <phaidros> yah laptop fine
[05:08] <NoelJB> in the process of installing the new .15 kernel ...
[05:08] <beg1689> cpu scaling, suspend to ram, battery
[05:08] <thelaser> heard something about trouble getting an LCD backlight to shut off...
[05:08] <tmccrary> Regarding the breakage, my machine freezes while getting to part about SATA 1.5 GBps, etc. That sounds about right correct?
[05:09] <Chetwin> Can I have network manager remember my key without having to use the keyring in gnome?
[05:09] <beg1689> NoelJB: what were you responding to? haveing different keyring and logon passwords?
[05:09] <crimsun> tmccrary: should be fixed with -15.25, which is available now.
[05:09] <binskipy2u> anyone think 7.02rc is that much better,faster then 6.10?
[05:09] <beg1689> actually i do have a strange problem that came up, i think it was early yesterday or the night before, when logging in the icon for network manager displays wrong
[05:10] <binskipy2u> think it has a lot of promise
[05:10] <binskipy2u> ?
[05:10] <beg1689> it is connected, and if i click it it shows "Wired Network" is selected, and my connection works, but the icon itself says no connection available
[05:10] <eck> K`zan: i was sure it was there, but i can't find it.... config.gz should really be compiled into the ubuntu kernel
[05:11] <phaidros> new kernel ??
[05:11] <phaidros> good!
[05:11] <Falstius> beg1689: do you have more than one network card?
[05:11] <phaidros> but not lowlat yet, eh?
[05:12] <Chetwin> /whisper
[05:12] <Chetwin> arg
[05:12] <beg1689> i have one wired, one wireless, network manager itself works fine, and if i reconnect to to any network, including the already connected wired one, then the icon appears normal
[05:12] <beg1689> but right now, it is display no connection
[05:12] <beg1689> theres been 2 more updates to network-manager since the problem appeared
[05:12] <Chetwin> Can I have network manager remember my key without having to use the keyring in gnome?
[05:12] <Falstius> beg1689: mine does the same thing, I assumed it was because only 1 of my 2 wired networks has a cable connected.
[05:12] <K`zan> eck: Dunno, wasn't here using /proc/config.gz and the system was clunky with the supplied kernel.  Between the nvidia (official) and the low latency desktop, this thing sings :-).
[05:13] <beg1689> Chetwin: yes
[05:13] <Chetwin> beg1689: How
[05:13] <crimsun> eck: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[05:13] <beg1689> well not technically WITHOUT keyring, but you can hav the keyring not ask for your password
[05:13] <eck> crimsun: that's what i was looking for
[05:13] <Chetwin> beg1689: how is that
[05:13] <beg1689> first install libpam-keyring
[05:14] <NoelJB> beg1689: if I recall correctly, your comment about vmware and wine.
[05:14] <beg1689> yes
[05:14] <NoelJB> BRB ... almost done installing 15-25
[05:14] <beg1689> it reminds me of an unexplainable problem im currently having with wine.
[05:14] <Chetwin> beg1689: then what
[05:15] <beg1689> once sec Chetwin im trying to find the file you need to add a line to
[05:15] <Dekkard> is that kernel in the mainstream update, or is it an option?
[05:15] <crimsun> Dekkard: which?
[05:16] <Dekkard> my update manager shows the headers for that kernel.. but still shows 14 as the kernel
[05:16] <beg1689> ok, install libpam-keyring and read its readme, /usr/share/doc/libpam-keyring/README.Debian
[05:16] <beg1689> it tells you what has to be done
[05:16] <Dekkard> 2,6.15.25
[05:16] <beg1689> Chetwin ^
[05:16] <Chetwin> ty
[05:16] <crimsun> Dekkard: -15.25-generic is definitely available on archive.ubuntu.com
[05:17] <Dekkard> k
[05:17] <beg1689> im already running it
[05:17] <Dekkard>  i was hoping it was simply in the updates thru update mgr
[05:17] <beg1689> it is
[05:17] <Dekkard> hmm
[05:17] <Dekkard> this has me nervous
[05:17] <beg1689> ill double check but im pretty sure im running that exact kernel
[05:17] <balster_neb> this is frightening: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2450269&postcount=16
[05:18] <M4ri00sh> ok,  I've restarted after the 250 installed updates .... it took the system to boot 3 minutes but it works ... huhhh
[05:18] <beg1689> yup
[05:18] <M4ri00sh> just checking ...
[05:19] <balster_neb> It seems that 20-15.25 still doesn't work for someone
[05:19] <crimsun> balster_neb: he doesn't include any relevant info, so it's a fairly useless bug report.
[05:19] <Chetwin> beg1689: This is difficult for me to understand
[05:19] <balster_neb> yup, I hope so
[05:20] <beg1689> ok
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:20] <beg1689> Chetwin: First of all, is your default keyrings password the same as yor login password?
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> ok, topic tells all... question... is there a way to fix booting?
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> "revalidation failed" is my message
[05:21] <NoelJB> FWIW, the 15-25 kernel is working fine here.  Again, I am running it inside VMware with paravirt enabled and with a SCSI drive.
[05:21] <thelaser> Use an old kernel from GRUB, or boot the liveCD and chroot into your install, then update.
[05:21] <beg1689> Chetwin: System -> Administration -> Keyring manager
[05:22] <beg1689> if its not the right password you will have to delete it or change its name, and make a new default
[05:22] <NoelJB> For whatever reason, 14.23 is still in the meta-data, even though still 403'd.
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> so 2.6.20-14 generic is broken
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:22] <beg1689> whats wrong with 2.6.20-14-generic?
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> my system will not boot...
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> but maybe the older one will...
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> thelaser, i was guessing that is for me
[05:24] <thelaser> nomasteryoda: yes, sorry.
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> ok, np...
[05:25] <NoelJB> 14.22 should
[05:25] <NoelJB> 15-25 does for me.
[05:25] <crimsun> NoelJB: it was just removed.
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> see, i updated and then today while offline, i cloned my drive to a new drive... larger, and I thought it was something i did
[05:25] <crimsun> references to -14- in the metas, that is.
[05:26] <NoelJB> crimsun: what was just removed?  14.23?
[05:26] <NoelJB> crimsun: when?  I just did apt-get update.
[05:26] <crimsun> 23:24 < cjwatson> -14 kernels removed
[05:26] <crimsun> as in 2 minutes ago.
[05:27] <NoelJB> So it will take time to migrate to the mirrors.
[05:27] <crimsun> NoelJB: upon the next publisher and /then/ dinstall, yes.
[05:28] <mon^rch> hmmm... now the "15" kernel wont boot x...
[05:28] <crimsun> of course. l-r-m hasn't been shoved for it yet.
[05:28] <mon^rch> oh :P
[05:29] <mon^rch> tx for the info :)
[05:29] <NoelJB> mon^rch: 15-25 is running for me.
[05:29] <crimsun> now all you have to do is wait for meta's binaries to propagate
[05:29] <mon^rch> well, it's not for me :(
[05:30] <NoelJB> mon^rch: :-\
[05:30] <crimsun> you could, of course, just install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-foo yourself
[05:30] <Dekkard> is this an issue mostly with systems with ata drives.. im still running ide?
[05:30] <crimsun> Dekkard: sata.
[05:30] <Dekkard> dats what i meant
[05:30] <NoelJB> Dekkard: IDE == ATA == PATA.
[05:30] <purpleposeidon> help, wireless is not working for me
[05:30] <Dekkard> ahh
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> crimsun, wait... there are 14.bak kernels in my /boot.... can i use one of those?
[05:31] <Dekkard> paralell ata
[05:31] <NoelJB> nomasteryoda: your grub menu should list available kernels.
[05:31] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: err, those should be for your initramfs, not your vmlinuz
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> right sorry
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> it does NoelJB ...
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:33] <jmichaelx> will there be new restricted modules eventually for -15.25?
[05:34] <jmichaelx> just curious, as my ralink wireless has really crapped out now, lol
[05:34] <jmichaelx> it works, but  very very slowly
[05:34] <crimsun> jmichaelx: it exists already; the metas were only recently (10 mins ago) updated
[05:34] <jmichaelx> crimsun: ok, i was able to get the new kernel, but saw no restricted modules coming down
[05:35] <crimsun>  *** 2.6.20.5-15.20 0
[05:35] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/restricted Packages
[05:35] <crimsun> `apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic`
[05:35] <jmichaelx> good :-d
[05:36] <mon^rch> hmm... I have l-r-m but my x crashed.... just updated 5 mins ago...  :/
[05:36] <jmichaelx> crimsun: well, what i am asking is whether there would necessarily be new restricted modules when simply moving from -15.24 to -15.25
[05:36] <crimsun> jmichaelx: there won't be.
[05:37] <crimsun> no abi bump, no need for new ones.
[05:37] <jmichaelx> ok, in that case i already have them. i am just trying to decide whether or not i need to file a bug report about my wireless
[05:37] <concept10> when will the new kernel be uploaded?
[05:37] <NoelJB> I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic 2.6.20.5-15.20
[05:38] <crimsun> concept10: it's already available.
[05:38] <tmccrary> My hat is off to the ladies and gentlemen who fixed the glitch
[05:38] <tmccrary> thank you
[05:38] <crazy_bus> is konqueror able to view mng's?  As it crashes every time I load the libmng site
[05:38] <concept10> Well my system boots, but just halts on the GDM login screen.
[05:38] <concept10> anyone know about that one?
[05:39] <thelaser> anyone know what was wrong with the kernels anyway?
[05:39] <crimsun> a bit vague on details, concept10.
[05:39] <crimsun> thelaser: libata/HPA futzing.
[05:40] <concept10> I cant log into the desktop, the system boots, starts GDM, and the cursor stops flashing at the login screen.  It's like it just stops.  This was before and after the latest update.
[05:40] <concept10> I did'nt notice until I rebooted.
[05:40] <NoelJB> concept10: what's the last thing you see in /var/log?
[05:40] <opopanax> hey all
[05:40] <concept10> before that my system was up for days.
[05:40] <mon^rch> so if I have the new kernel... and the matching restricted modules... and x isn't booting (for 15) should I reconfigure x? or just wait until it's updated again?
[05:40] <crimsun> concept10: we need details. dmesg. lspci -vvn && lspci -v. etc.
[05:40] <NoelJB> anything interesting in the log files?
[05:41] <PersonA> I started an update to Fiesty. Was 3/4 of the way thru downloading the latest packages. I decided to stop the update. As most places stated not to update yet due to it not being stable yet. I restarted directly after this. When everything was restarted and loaded. The fonts are displayed in a block. Or Appears to be a block type font. No system fonts are readable now. Any suggestions or ideas to fix this ?
[05:41] <tmccrary> thelaser: I'm not a developer on the project, but I believe it had something to do with hard drive drivers? Specifically something with ata
[05:41] <M4ri00sh> mon^rch: i have the same problem with one of my machines, it just freezes ....
[05:41] <concept10> NoelJB: What log should I look at ?  the GDM log?  I cant paste right now.
[05:41] <Dekkard> sata :)
[05:41] <BluesKaj> mon^rch: reconfiguring xserver-xorg worked for me \
[05:41] <M4ri00sh> gave up on it
[05:41] <NoelJB> mon^rch: the 15-25 kernel booted up fine with my previous drivers, and then I rebuilt for the kernel.  again, I'm in a "unique" h/w environment from most, since I'm in VMware.
[05:41] <opopanax> ouch, PersonA
[05:42] <PersonA> Uh huh
[05:42] <jmichaelx> concept10: have you gotten the most recent updates?
[05:42] <mon^rch> M4ri00sh: I'm not freezing.... just no x :/
[05:42] <opopanax> PersonA: I'd go to a terminal and finish the update, reboot.
[05:42] <concept10> jmichaelx I said earlier, yes.
[05:42] <PersonA> Thank you.. I will attempt to do that
[05:43] <soweto76> odd that nvidia legacy no longer is listed in the Restricted Drivers Manager
[05:43] <jmichaelx> concept10: ok, because some of these updates have only been available for a short time
[05:43] <opopanax> i just took my laptop apart to see if I could upgrade my radeon chip.  Alas, no go.
[05:43] <concept10> crap. looks like im on my own.
[05:43] <opopanax> just bought this laptop, though, 200 on CL
[05:44] <mon^rch> M4ri00sh: funny thing is I WAS using the "15" kernel even with x... but I couldn't see one of my SATA... then I rebooted into "14" and updated the "15" kernel... and voila, no x...
[05:44] <opopanax> got a radeon mobility 9000
[05:44] <PersonA> One other question. If i have to dump everything. What's the best way to format a full linux partition ? Using something like Hiren's boot cd >
[05:44] <concept10> This has been the buggiest release ever.
[05:44] <jmichaelx>  concept10it has not been released
[05:44] <M4ri00sh> mon^rch:  :) have no clue what is goint on anyway :)
[05:44] <mon^rch> lol
[05:44] <thelaser> at least it's happening *before* release.
[05:44] <BluesKaj> opopanax: what are you trying to do ?
[05:44] <NoelJB> and you haven't mentioned if you've checked the logs and other things that were suggested to you.
[05:44] <jmichaelx> concept10: it has not been released. it is still beta
[05:45] <concept10> jmichaelx I fear the release with these bugs.
[05:45] <opopanax> PersonA: what do you mean format?
[05:45] <tmccrary> concept10: You should update the topic, so everyone knows the release is official and things can be moved to #ubuntu proper
[05:45] <opopanax> hold on, reboot.
[05:45] <opopanax> i have to reboot, rather, i'm not instructing anyone to reboot.
[05:45] <opopanax> don't trust me
[05:45] <mon^rch> at l;east my "14" kernel still works just fine... knocks on wood. (no, I'm not upgrading it again) :P
[05:46] <BluesKaj> I just got the 15 , seems fine
[05:46] <concept10> tmccrary I meant the buggiest testing release
[05:48] <opopanax> hmmm   how do i set my chanserv password in xchat-gnome???
[05:49] <Dekkard> heh
[05:49] <jtt> !archive
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about archive - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <jtt> !info archive
[05:49] <ubotu> Package archive does not exist in feisty
[05:50] <mon^rch> "/nickserv register password"
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> muchas gracias crimsun
[05:50] <jtt> !info ubuntu-archive
[05:50] <ubotu> Package ubuntu-archive does not exist in feisty
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> i'm fat and almost happy now
[05:50] <mon^rch> nomasterjabba?
[05:50] <mon^rch> :P
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> dahut
[05:51] <soweto76> opopanax, Xchat -> Network List -> edit server
[05:51] <purpleposeidon> I think I got wireless fixed by booting an older kernel, but hopefully kde wont muck w/ it...
[05:51] <shirish> guys does anybody know how I can send a msg to somebody using memoserv
[05:52] <shirish> let's say using shirish as an e.g.
[05:52] <mon^rch> memoserv?
[05:52] <opopanax> soweto76: figured it out, but thanks!!!
[05:52] <crimsun> there's help for memoserv, too
[05:52] <opopanax> are you really from soweto?
[05:53] <shirish> crimsun: I tried that but somewhere my syntax seems to be getting wrong
[05:53] <thelaser> how likely is an RC tomorrow?
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:53] <mon^rch> dang, I'm on this thing too much :P
[05:54] <soweto76> opopanax, 1976 Soweto uprising happens to be on the day and my birthday and Ubuntu seemed to have S.A. roots -- Canadian really.
[05:54] <Arko> I have just upgraded to .20-15 and it did not generate initrd.img and not created the lines in menu.lst. How to do that?
[05:54] <shirish> crimsun: its /msg Memoserv SEND <nick/channel> <msg> or something else?
[05:54] <PWill> Was the kernel bug fixed yet? The one that didn't let you boot?
[05:55] <shirish> crimsun: its "/msg Memoserv SEND <nick/channel> <message>" right?
[05:55] <NoelJB> PWill: working for me, but seems not everyone.
[05:55] <PWill> NoelJB: what kind of HD and processor?
[05:55] <NoelJB> Arko: no .15 lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:55] <mon^rch> lol
[05:55] <NoelJB> PWill: VMware.  386 and LSI SCSI
[05:55] <Arko> hmmm.
[05:55] <PWill> oh
[05:56] <Arko> NoelJB : how to boot into -15?
[05:56] <shirish> ok where can I get help about freenode?
[05:56] <PWill> well i'll wait another day then. thanks NoelJB
[05:56] <mon^rch> vmware wouldn't fullscreen in feisty for me :(
[05:56] <PWill> mon^rch: I'm sure VirtualBox would :)
[05:57] <mon^rch> PWill: hows virtualbox?
[05:57] <soweto76> shirish, http://freenode.net/policy.shtml
[05:57] <NoelJB> Arko: well, I've got 2 sets of the appropriate lines (one for normal, one for recovery) in my menu.lst
[05:57] <NoelJB> are you sure that apt-get installed it?
[05:57] <PWill> mon^rch: i love it. i just have an XP machine for developing stuff, and vista, just to try it out. (it's awful, obviously)
[05:57] <Arko> NoelJB : yep. I am sure.
[05:58] <BluesKaj> yeah sure
[05:58] <NoelJB> weird.  because that should have modified menu.lst for you, and installed the files under /boot
[05:58] <BluesKaj> anyway nite folks ...off to dreamland for me
[05:58] <Arko> that was I expected
[05:58] <NoelJB> Arko: you might as apt-get to resintall it.
[05:58] <NoelJB> s/as/ask/
[05:59] <Arko> gonna do that.
[05:59] <mon^rch> PWill: yeah, I didn't care for vista... at FIRST it was oooooo ahhhhhhhh bling, bling. but then it was do you want to do this, and do you want to do that, and are you sure and I cant see my ext3 partitions and, and, and
[05:59] <Arko> NoelJB : which packages I should reinstall?
[05:59] <phaidros> sady the -15 kernel also didnt fix the hibernation+nosound and the sleep+blackscreen issue :/
[06:00] <mon^rch> so is virtualbox free? ***perk***
[06:00] <purpleposeidon> yay, old kernel fixed it. ^_^
[06:01] <NoelJB> Arko: should be two headers packages and the linux image
[06:01] <Arko> hmmm
[06:02] <NoelJB> Arko: headers should be fine, but if image didn't work, I'm not trusting.  otherwise, just the image package.
[06:03] <NoelJB> linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[06:03] <mon^rch> oooooooooo virtualbox has a .deb :)
[06:03] <Arko> reinstalling
[06:03] <NoelJB> OK, I've been up since 04:00.  Time to call it a night.
[06:04] <pradeep> NoelJB, goodnight
[06:04] <mon^rch> PWill: I'm gonna check out virtualbox... :/
[06:04] <NoelJB> thanks
[06:04] <PWill> mon^rch: good luck :)
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> getting new kernel... 2.6.20-15.25
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> i would guess this one is better
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:06] <mon^rch> noo-nee-noo, it's taking awhile to install...
[06:07] <johnficca> is the rc out yet?
[06:08] <sonoftheclayr> two kernel upgrades in one day? is this one good? -15?
[06:08] <binskipy2u> hopefully itll be fixed bofore next week
[06:08] <binskipy2u> when final comes out
[06:08] <binskipy2u> dont wanna have to install final and go thru dealing with a kernel issue
[06:09] <jtt> !archive
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about archive - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <tmccrary> Feisty is nice
[06:13] <mon^rch> honestly, I think Ubuntu is a contendor for windows...
[06:13] <mon^rch> or will be
[06:13] <binskipy2u> i'm wiating for that guy that builds those buntu ultimate dvds
[06:13] <binskipy2u> to make one based on fiesty
[06:14] <iXneonXi> qwll
[06:19] <os2mac> What is the program that shows battery power in the command pormpt?
[06:19] <crdlb> os2mac, acpitool
[06:20] <joshua_> What does "HAL Failed to Hibernate" mean?
[06:20] <qsheets> I'm trying to setup a wide-screen resolution. I have an Intel D865GBF mobo that my screen is connected to.
[06:20] <joshua_> If I install hibernate from the command line, and sudo hibernate, it works fine
[06:20] <joshua_> (if I remove the nvidia module from the blacklist)
[06:20] <ankit> os2mac "acpi -b"
[06:21] <Arkadius> this is confusing
[06:21] <Arkadius> the update mgr shows the 14.24 kernel.. the description mentions 15.25...
[06:22] <iXneonXi> i dont trust kernel updates at the moment xD
[06:22] <iXneonXi> not after earlier
[06:22] <os2mac> what about in KDE?
[06:23] <Arkadius> yeah..maybe I'll wait till next week
[06:23] <qsheets> I'm trying to setup a wide-screen resolution. I have an Intel D865GBF mobo that my screen is connected to. Could someone please help me?
[06:23] <Arkadius> i have a feeling there will be another kernel update within a day or two
[06:24] <jtt> where are folks getting the latest kernel  2.6.20-15.25
[06:24] <shirish> jtt: which mirror are u using, the main or somewhere else?
[06:25] <jtt> shirish: i need the entire url path
[06:25] <shirish> jtt: its in the repos.
[06:25] <crdlb> jtt, drop the country code from your sources.list
[06:25] <jtt> shirish: and where is the repos
[06:26] <shirish> jtt: ok go to System > Administration > Software Sources, tell me what have u entered there for Server
[06:27] <jtt> shirish: main
[06:27] <qsheets> crdlb: can you help me?
[06:27] <jtt> shirish: ok i understand now
[06:27] <jtt> shirish: thanks
[06:28] <crdlb> qsheets, it's an intel video card?
[06:28] <shirish> jtt: I think you just need to reload the repo. then you will see the update
[06:28] <qsheets> it's off the mobo so i'd pressume
[06:28] <jtt> shirish: ok brb
[06:29] <crdlb> qsheets, install 915resolution
[06:29] <qsheets> crdlb: 915resolution didn't work when I tried it it said "Wrong Chipset"
[06:29] <crdlb> qsheets, glxinfo|grep VGA
[06:30] <Arko> got it working
[06:30] <Arko> wont upgrade anymore
[06:31] <qsheets> crdlb: doesn't do any thing
[06:31] <xtknight> anyone have a bug where opening a text file from Deskbar causes it go blank in gedit (possible data loss)?
[06:31] <Beta> Are they any more desktop effects planned?
[06:31] <crdlb> qsheets, lspci|grep VGA
[06:32] <qsheets> crdlb: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[06:32] <Beta> What's q's glitch?
[06:32] <crdlb> qsheets, you may have to do it manually with a modeline
[06:33] <xtknight> the 15-25 is the immune kernel, correct?
[06:33] <crdlb> !modeline
[06:33] <ubotu> A Modeline is a config line in the X server configuration file that gives info about a connected display and how to drive it at a specified display resolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline for more details. Here are 2 links to generate modelines which fit your monitor: http://bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/ and http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[06:33] <qsheets> how?
[06:33] <xtknight> use 'gtf' to generate modelines
[06:33] <Crazytom> how do you get dvds to play on feisty?
[06:33] <crimsun> !restricted >Crazytom
[06:34] <Beta> Crazy, I have been trying for a week to get DVDs to playback. Still not working.
[06:34] <iXneonXi> Beta
[06:34] <iXneonXi> tried medibuntu?
[06:35] <qsheets> if screen should be 1440x900 how do I do that?
[06:36] <Beta> Yeah IX, I've got libDVDcss2
[06:36] <iXneonXi> what media player u using?
[06:36] <crdlb> qsheets, lcd?
[06:36] <Beta> Tried both VLC and Totem.
[06:36] <qsheets> yeah
[06:36] <iXneonXi> ><;;
[06:36] <iXneonXi> right region code?
[06:37] <crdlb> qsheets, then: gtf 1440 900 60
[06:37] <crdlb> I think
[06:37] <Beta> How do I double check that? Also, this isn't the first time I've used my laptop, and I don't want to screw things up.
[06:38] <qsheets> now what?
[06:38] <crdlb> qsheets, the line goes in your monitor section
[06:38] <crdlb> of your xorg.conf
[06:39] <Beta> iX, what do you mean region code?
[06:39] <xtknight> i'm very surprised that widescreens are still not supported by default
[06:39] <Beta> Yeah, me too.
[06:39] <qsheets> me 3
[06:39] <crdlb> Xorg 7.3 should fix that
[06:39] <Beta> Good.
[06:39] <xtknight> what's wrong with the current Xorg?
[06:39] <crdlb> in Gutsy
[06:40] <xtknight> grab native resolution from EDID :|
[06:40] <iXneonXi> Beta, dvd players have region codes
[06:40] <iXneonXi> it might need to be set
[06:40] <qsheets> k done
[06:40] <Beta> But shouldn't it be set already? I've run this mechine under windows before, shouldn't that have set it?
[06:40] <crdlb> static configuration and hacky autodetection << that's what's wrong with current Xorg
[06:40] <Beta> Plus, its an onboard DVD player.
[06:40] <xtknight> ahh
[06:40] <iXneonXi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2343821
[06:40] <xtknight> anyone got  xinerama working in ubuntu?
[06:41] <qsheets> should i reboot or what?
[06:41] <crdlb> qsheets, restart X
[06:41] <Beta> Yeah, see, that's not even worth it.
[06:41] <qsheets> how?
[06:42] <crdlb> qsheets, log out, then ctrl+alt+bksp from the login screen
[06:42] <qsheets> soz I'm new at Linux
[06:44] <yamathan> It seems that 2.6.20-15 is downloading by default now.
[06:44] <yamathan> Good.
[06:46] <qsheets> crdlb: didn't work
[06:46] <TheMystic> so, no RC yet? waiting on SATA fixes?
[06:47] <crdlb> qsheets, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:47] <crdlb> !pastebin
[06:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:47] <tmccrary> they're in I believe
[06:47] <TheMystic> i grabbed beta ISOs yesterday to try out, but was really looking for RC
[06:47] <iXneonXi> TheMystic: keep running update manager
[06:47] <iXneonXi> xD
[06:48] <qsheets> # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[06:48] <qsheets> #
[06:48] <qsheets> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[06:48] <qsheets> # values from the debconf database.
[06:48] <qsheets> #
[06:48] <qsheets> # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
[06:48] <qsheets> # (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
[06:48] <qsheets> #
[06:48] <TheMystic> well, i was hoping for RC live CD, really :)
[06:48] <qsheets> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
[06:48] <qsheets> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
[06:48] <qsheets> # package.
[06:48] <qsheets> #
[06:48] <qsheets> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[06:48] <qsheets> # again, run the following command:
[06:48] <qsheets> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:48] <Crazytom> crimsun, that tut you gave me for dvds is not working
[06:48] <qsheets> Section "Files"
[06:48] <TheMystic> wasn't quite ready to upgrade my installed system
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
[06:48] <TheMystic> but maybe i'll brave it tonight
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	# path to defoma fonts
[06:48] <shirish> qsheets is flodding the channel, help
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
[06:48] <qsheets> EndSection
[06:48] <qsheets> Section "Module"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"i2c"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"bitmap"
[06:49] <Naddiseo> !ubotu flood
[06:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"ddc"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"dri"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"extmod"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"freetype"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"glx"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"int10"
[06:49] <Naddiseo> !ubotu flood > qsheets
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"type1"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"vbe"
[06:49] <qsheets> EndSection
[06:49] <qsheets> Section "InputDevice"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Driver		"kbd"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
[06:49] <iXneonXi> i think
[06:49] <iXneonXi> it's stuck
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"XkbOptions"	"lv3:ralt_switch"
[06:49] <qsheets> EndSection
[06:49] <qsheets> Section "InputDevice"
[06:49] <crimsun> Crazytom: more detail?
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Driver		"mouse"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"CorePointer"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ExplorerPS/2"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[06:50] <qsheets> EndSection
[06:50] <qsheets> Section "InputDevice"
[06:50] <qsheets>   Driver        "wacom"
[06:50] <qsheets>   Identifier    "stylus"
[06:50] <qsheets>   Option        "Device"        "/dev/wacom"          # Change to
[06:50] <qsheets>                                                       # /dev/input/event
[06:50] <qsheets>                                                       # for USB
[06:50] <qsheets>   Option        "Type"          "stylus"
[06:50] <Crazytom> crimsun, i've tried all three of those pages and my dvds still won't play
[06:50] <qsheets>   Option
[06:50] <qsheets> sorry
[06:50] <qsheets>  /clear will help you
[06:50] <Crazytom> someone kick him please?
[06:50] <Beta> !pastebin qsheets
[06:50] <Nubbie> qsheets. :\
[06:51] <Nubbie> so the 403 error is ubuntu saving me from updating to a horribly broken kernel. question answered, thanks for catching it so soon.
[06:51] <Crazytom> crimsun, i've installed gxine and totem-xine and i tried getting all the gstreamer plugins with totem-gstreamer
[06:52] <Crazytom> crimsun, gxine states No demuxer found - stream format not recognised
[06:52] <qsheets> sorry
[06:52] <crimsun> Crazytom: did you install libdvdcss2?
[06:52] <Crazytom> i believe so let me check
[06:53] <qsheets> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15488/
[06:54] <qsheets> better? ;)
[06:55] <Crazytom> crimsun, i don't see that package in synaptic and apt-get says it can't find it but i have installed libdvdread3
[06:55] <cps1966> libqt3-mt 3:3.3.8really3.3.7
[06:55] <qsheets> crdlb?
[06:56] <Crazytom> crimsun, i beleive libdvdcss2 is a part of libdvdread3
[06:57] <cps1966> !libdvdread3
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libdvdread3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:58] <crdlb> qsheets, you need to actually add "1440x900" to the front of the Modes list for Depth 24
[06:58] <cps1966> !libdvdcss
[06:58] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:58] <crimsun> Crazytom: it's not. It's a separate source & binary.
[06:59] <Arkadius> well. 2.6.12 booted
[06:59] <Arkadius> 15 rather
[06:59] <qsheets> kk
[06:59] <Arkadius> and my ghost is still here
[06:59] <compengi> !seen DBO
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen dbo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:00] <tonyyarusso> compengi: use seenserv
[07:01] <Arkadius> does this new kernel boot faster?
[07:01] <qsheets> crdlb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15489/
[07:01] <Crazytom> crimsun, i have universal repos enabled but it's not finding the libdvdcss2
[07:01] <crdlb> qsheets, exactly
[07:02] <crimsun> Crazytom: because we can't include it. It's not in the Ubuntu repositories.
[07:02] <cps1966> multiverse
[07:02] <Crazytom> crimsun, http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libs/libdvdread3
[07:02] <qsheets> Now restart x?
[07:02] <Crazytom> i have them all enabled
[07:02] <crimsun> Crazytom: libdvdread3 != libdvdcss
[07:02] <Crazytom> read the page.... it says that libdvdcss2 is not available
[07:03] <qsheets> brb
[07:03] <Crazytom> if it's not in the repos where do i get it
[07:03] <Nubbie> ubuntu+2 should be named giddy geezers. who's with me on that?
[07:03] <crimsun> Crazytom: I compiled a 1.2.9 Debian source package in an Ubuntu Feisty pbuilder.
[07:04] <crimsun> Nubbie: 'g' != 'h'
[07:04] <crdlb> !libdvdcss
[07:04] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:04] <Crazytom> crimsun, uhhhh?
[07:04] <Crazytom> thnak you
[07:04] <crdlb> has he made a repo for feisty?
[07:05] <Nubbie> thoggen is a good program to back up dvds with.
[07:05] <Crazytom> no
[07:06] <Crazytom> should i try one from edgy?
[07:07] <qsheets> crdlb: didn't work again
[07:11] <crdlb> qsheets, I don't know then, sorry
[07:11] <qsheets> :(
[07:12] <qsheets> alrigh c ya later
[07:12] <Crazytom> ok i installed libdvdcss2 from edgy.  it installed with no errors but did still doesn't work
[07:12] <Crazytom> *dvd not did
[07:13] <billy> it's amazing how much smoother than an upgrade a clean install runs.
[07:14] <crdlb> I did a clean install from a dapper install that was completely screwed up
[07:14] <crdlb> and it works great
[07:14] <neptunepink> linux rot? :/
[07:14] <billy> crdlb, dapper straight to feisty?
[07:14] <crdlb> more like ubuntu rot
[07:15] <crdlb> billy, wasn't a fan of edgy
[07:15] <Crazytom> what do i do now?
[07:15] <crdlb> and this wasn't my computer
[07:15] <billy> crdlb, wow.
[07:15] <Nubbie> edgy was kinda uneventful.
[07:15] <Nubbie> glad i've moved on ;)
[07:16] <Nubbie> and i hope that that beagle update reigned in that puppy, it was filing away at a mad pace, kept hogging all my cpu and ram.
[07:16] <Crazytom> did you guys give up?
[07:16] <tmccrary> dude, that's just beagle :)
[07:17] <crdlb> tracker > beagle
[07:17] <tmccrary> yeah, tracker is so much better
[07:18] <Nubbie> nah beagle before i upgraded to feisty was fine, but afterwards it was crazy for a bit.
[07:18] <billy> crdlb, speaking of beagle, is it normal for it's indexer to be using 99% of the processor.
[07:18] <tmccrary> lol yeah. Beagle conviently turns my dual core system back into a single core system
[07:18] <tmccrary> Its like magic!
[07:18] <Crazytom> crimsun, so what do i do after i install libdvdcss2?
[07:18] <Nubbie> absolutely not, which was the problem. they released an update which was supposed to calm that down. try restarting beagle billy.
[07:18] <billy> LOL.  I think I'll kill it.
[07:19] <crimsun> Crazytom: you restart the multimedia app.
[07:19] <Nubbie> Crazytom: :o
[07:19] <billy> Nubbie, killall beagle?
[07:19] <Crazytom> No demuxer found - stream format not recognised.
[07:20] <Crazytom> Totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it.
[07:20] <billy> Crazytom, just use vlc.  :)
[07:20] <crimsun> Crazytom: did you install totem-xine, or are you still using totem-gstreamer?
[07:21] <Crazytom> i've tried both
[07:21] <billy> how do I kill a process if I know it's PID?
[07:21] <Nubbie> tracker supports file tagging???
[07:21] <billy> Crazytom, have you read this?
[07:21] <billy> !dvd | Crazytom
[07:21] <ubotu> Crazytom: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:22] <Crazytom> billy, yes i have.  it's for edgy although
[07:23] <billy> Crazytom, I use Feisty and it worked for me. :)  Couldn't ever get totem working though.  I prefer vlc, anyway.
[07:23] <Crazytom> i'll try it
[07:23] <billy> oh, you have to use sudo when killing.
[07:23] <crdlb> billy, kill pid ?
[07:23] <orangey> hey all.
[07:23] <billy> crdlb, sudo kill <PID>
[07:23] <crdlb> are you still killing beagled?
[07:23] <billy> it's dead.
[07:23] <DanaG> odd: amarokapp is stalling at QLayout: Adding KToolBar/mainToolBar (child of QVBox/unnamed) to layout for PlaylistWindow/PlaylistWindow
[07:24] <crdlb> I don't think it's supposed to be running as root is it?
[07:24] <Nubbie> i have no problem with totem and dvds.
[07:24] <orangey> how do I go back to a particular kernel release, like -10?
[07:24] <billy> crdlb, kill w/out sudo returned an error.  Hey, what do I know?
[07:24] <orangey> Are they stored anywhere? Or must I figure out git?
[07:24] <Nubbie> make sure you have all of the gstreamer plugins installed.
[07:25] <Nubbie> orangey: edit your grub list to boot your old kernel.
[07:25] <billy> Is there a plugin for Rhythmbox that'll enable seamless CD playback?
[07:25] <orangey> Nubbie: I've already gotten rid of it, sadly
[07:25] <crimsun> orangey: librarian stores older binaries.
[07:26] <crimsun> orangey: and read the alsa download page if you're unclear what I'm referring to concerning hg.
[07:26] <orangey> crimsun: ok.
[07:27] <orangey> crimsun: thanks. Found librarian.. You're like Yoda : )
[07:27] <ash211> dpkg is having trouble in the dist-upgrade to feisty
[07:27] <ash211> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15494/
[07:27] <ash211> could someone please help me?
[07:27] <ash211> thats my bash output
[07:27] <Nubbie> ash211: read the thing at the top of the IRC channel.
[07:28] <billy> ash211, as a little aside; it really is worth it to do a clean install, but I'll see if I can help your situation.  :)
[07:28] <Nubbie> ash211: theres kernel problems going on right now.
[07:28] <ash211> its not kernel
[07:28] <Crazytom> thanks for all the help guys
[07:28] <billy> Crazytom, get it working?
[07:28] <Crazytom> somehow it kicked me out but i'm still logged in as crazytom
[07:28] <Nubbie> ash211: first off, let me suggest you try using update manager to do upgrades.
[07:28] <Crazytom> wtf?
[07:28] <Crazytom> yes it's working
[07:28] <ash211> billy: I would have preferred a clean install but I was testing the update manager in kubuntu
[07:28] <Crazytom> thanks
[07:29] <billy> Crazytom, you signed as a different name in #ubuntu?
[07:29] <Crazytom> yeah
[07:29] <ash211> Nubbie: I was using it but then it needed a ncurses input on libssl, and didn seem to be taking my input
[07:29] <billy> Crazytom, that explains it.  You know how to change it so vlc starts automatically right?
[07:29] <Crazytom> it booted me and then let me back in
[07:29] <orangey> so, is there a release date for feisty? How come the kernel is frozen?
[07:30] <Crazytom> what when a dvd is put in?
[07:30] <crimsun> DanaG: ladspa hook.
[07:30] <Nubbie> it was messing up kid's SATA drives.
[07:30] <Nubbie> :l
[07:30] <Crazytom> yeah i can figure that out
[07:30] <billy> Crazytom, yeah.  it's fairly simple.  "removable drives and media" or someodd.
[07:30] <Hobbsee> ash211: the problem is
[07:30] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmtp5_0.1.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:30] <Hobbsee>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/mtp-albumart', which is also in package libmtp
[07:30] <Crazytom> yeah
[07:30] <DanaG> I figured out the downmixing for onboard audio device.
[07:30] <ash211> Hobbsee: I saw that they were conflicting, but I wasnt sure the command to fix it
[07:31] <jtt> orangey: april 19th  kernel frozen except for biggies so they can get the final testing done and release on time
[07:31] <billy> Any music players that allow seamless CD playback (no gaps in the tracks)?
[07:31] <Nubbie> billy: banshee
[07:31] <Hobbsee> ash211: use --force-overwrite
[07:31] <billy> Nubbie, cool. thanks.  :)
[07:31] <crimsun> =)
[07:31] <Crazytom> billy, what would the command be i'm still not sure where the programs are kept
[07:31] <ash211> apt-get dist-upgrade --force-overwrite ?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i dont upload libmtp
[07:32] <crimsun> Hobbsee: right. your fault! ponies!
[07:32] <Hobbsee> ash211: sorry, sudo dpkg -i /path/of/deb.deb --force-overwrite
[07:32] <billy> Crazytom, vlc %m
[07:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh
[07:32] <Crazytom> thanks
[07:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: fix it, then
[07:32] <ash211> will try.  thanks Hobbsee
[07:32] <crimsun> Hobbsee: no ponies.
[07:33] <orangey> jtt: I see. Well, it seems that there is a regression in one aspect of the kernel which resulted from -14 (fixed through at least -10, and possibly later). Does that mean that it won't make it because it's sound (not a "biggie")?
[07:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yes ponies
[07:34] <crimsun> ash211: where did you get libmtp?
[07:34] <crimsun> because that's most certainly not a Ubuntu binary package.
[07:35] <ash211> now that I think about it, I think I installed that from source trying to enable mtp in amarok a while back
[07:35] <Hobbsee> edgy version was libmtp2
[07:35] <crimsun> "from source" meaning checkinstalled/aliened?
[07:35] <ash211> ./configure; make; sudo make install
[07:35] <jtt> orangey: cant say for sure up to release team at ubuntu now they release in five more days time is short
[07:35] <DanaG> USB Mass Storage.
[07:35] <ash211> mustve been checkinstalled then
[07:36] <billy> Nubbie, you still here?
[07:36] <ash211> yeah, thats what I get for leaving apt
[07:36] <billy> darn
[07:36] <Hobbsee> ash211: idneed.
[07:36] <orangey> jtt: gotcha. thanks.
[07:37] <crimsun> ash211: may you be forever punished by Hobbsee's pointy stick of doom.
[07:37] <jtt> orangey: np
[07:37] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:37] <ash211> ha
[07:37] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ash211 tends to test a lot for kubuntu
[07:37] <DanaG> Time to play "Irritating Stick"
[07:37] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritating_Stick
[07:37] <XenSA> any one get a X cannot start error permission denied?
[07:38] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ja
[07:38] <ash211> more amarok than kubuntu in general, but I say probably mess with the system more than I should
[07:39] <ash211> my xkbmap is messed up now, thats why my apostrophes are coming in odd
[07:40] <crimsun> they look "dignified".
[07:40] <billy> Anyone know banshee plugin name to enable seamless playback?
[07:40] <orangey> hmmm..
[07:40] <ash211> I guess you could say so crimsun
[07:40] <orangey> crimsun: has make-kpkg changed the way it handles configs now?
[07:41] <orangey> it seems like it keeps going for new configs for some reason.
[07:41] <crimsun> orangey: err, why are you using make-kpkg?
[07:41] <orangey> err. old configs.
[07:41] <orangey> crimsun: I'm making the "working" kernel.
[07:41] <DanaG> odd, aptitude wants -14
[07:41] <crimsun> orangey: ...why? librarian has the /binaries/.
[07:41] <orangey> crimsun: Bug #75398 has instructions that I wrote for it.
[07:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 75398 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Regression: Fan does not come on due to ACPI problems" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75398
[07:41] <DanaG> because linux-image-generic depends on it.
[07:41] <orangey> crimsun: it needed to be patched.
[07:42] <crimsun> orangey: what patches?
[07:42] <orangey> crimsun: The deal: -10 with the patch diff I have there suspends successfully with sound. starting in -14, suspend works, but no sound.
[07:42] <orangey> crimsun: I think the SHAs are there in response to ben's query. Basically patches to make suspend work..
[07:43] <orangey> (on those systems)
[07:43] <Kubuntulator> /me looks a topic
[07:43] <Kubuntulator> so has feisty been delayed ?
[07:44] <ash211> i thought just the rc
[07:44] <ash211> has there been news?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> rc only, most likely
[07:44] <jtt> I heard the RC was 4/12/07
[07:45] <Hobbsee> jtt: it was
[07:45] <Kubuntulator> ahh ok
[07:45] <Hobbsee> ash211: havent seen anything on ubuntu-devel ML, about feisty release
[07:45] <billy> is there any music player that doesn't put gaps between tracks?
[07:46] <Kubuntulator> so should still hold out befor i update from edgy ?
[07:46] <ash211> I hadnt either, thats why I was wondering
[07:46] <jtt> unless there is major problem the release is sched for 4/19/07 per current rel sched
[07:46] <Hobbsee> Kubuntulator: could be smart.  depends on your hardware
[07:47] <crimsun> orangey: that's not at all an alsa bug.
[07:47] <Kubuntulator> what's the update success rate been so far ?
[07:47] <crimsun> orangey: it's much as I suspected; alsa has nothing to do with the suspend issue.
[07:47] <jtt> Kubuntulator: put it on another partiton by it self and boot and check it
[07:47] <Hobbsee> fine, as long as you dont have of the affected lots of hardware....
[07:47] <crimsun> orangey: (it's blatantly obvious to me, as I maintain that subsystem)
[07:48] <orangey> crimsun: right. I'm reasonably sure I never personally brought out alsa as the suspect or culprit, though I have no grounds to include it or exclude it.
[07:48] <Kubuntulator> i've got a 1.7g centrino lappy with 9600 ATI in it
[07:48] <crimsun> orangey: I have grounds to exclude it. We've not changed /any/ suspend/resume/power code in sound/*
[07:48] <Kubuntulator> intel wifi
[07:48] <orangey> crimsun: however, it seemed to me like your suggestion was to see if the alsa changes were responsible (i.e., make sure the working kernel still works with the concomitant alsa changes or what not)
[07:49] <orangey> crimsun: fair enough
[07:49] <crimsun> orangey: precisely.
[07:49] <orangey> crimsun: the real question for me, though, is where to hunt for this..
[07:49] <crimsun> orangey: I recommend git-bisect.
[07:49] <orangey> crimsun: especially given that I should be considered a user, not a programmer..
[07:49] <orangey> crimsun: ok.
[07:49] <XenSA> any one get a X cannot start error permission denied? /tmp/.X11-unix
[07:50] <orangey> crimsun: interesting program..
[07:50] <jtt> Kubuntulator: didnt see your HD size  do you have enough disk space for separate feisty install
[07:50] <orangey> alright.. I'll continue tomorrow..
[07:51] <orangey> nightie all!
[07:51] <orangey> crimsun: thanks for the help
[07:51] <jtt> orangey: bye
[07:51] <orangey> bye jtt : )
[07:52] <DanaG> What are backports-modules?
[07:52] <DanaG> Something for after release, apparently....
[07:53] <DanaG> Hmm, I can find how to do lowpass on LFE, but I also need to match it with a highpass on everything else.
[07:53] <noname`> Does the beryl update from the universal repo still kill anyone using an ATI x1400-x1800?
[07:55] <Kubuntulator> jtt: i would have enought space
[07:56] <Kubuntulator> still getting a feel for linux in general
[07:56] <jtt> Kubuntulator: then perhaps that is the way to go you could down the  daily a/o 4/12/07 iso burn it and load it up in spare partition
[07:56] <crdlb> noname`, yes
[07:57] <crdlb> you have to pin beryl-project's beryl-core
[07:57] <Hobbsee> dont use hte daily - wait for the RC, or use the beta
[07:57] <Kubuntulator> nar i'll wait for rls
[07:57] <jtt> Kubuntulator: right
[07:59] <noname`> crdlb: Alright thanks, just curous.
[07:59] <Kubuntulator> want to try the upgrade when its ready i'm doing a linux stabillity test so i would like to find out how good official UG's are going to be :-)
[08:00] <Kubuntulator> would you compare upgrading from edgy to feisty to say doing an XP to vista upgrade or would it be more like installing a service pack ?
[08:01] <DanaG> Where are the docs for ladspa?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> Kubuntulator: the former
[08:02] <mon^rch> who introduced me to virtualbox?
[08:03] <mon^rch> PWill: you still here?
[08:03] <PWill> yep
[08:04] <mon^rch> quick question.... can I allocate all my vid memory to a virtualbox vm?
[08:04] <Kubuntulator> if thats the case there would be more stabillity doing a fresh install rather than an upgrade
[08:05] <bdgraue> my pc don't start anymore since the upgrade 12 hours ago :-(
[08:07] <jtt> Kubuntulator: personally I never upgrade kernel to kernel i always fresh install
[08:08] <noname`> Quick question about beryl. I've got white boxes around info boxes that pop up...
[08:08] <Beta> I'm having trouble updating.
[08:08] <noname`> Anyone had that before and fixed it?
[08:08] <jtt> Kubuntulator: but i only fully upgrade after the latest release has been out about 1 month the rest of the time the test the betas etc. on non production partitions
[08:09] <Hobbsee> noname`: ask in #beryl
[08:09] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: see topic.  chroot in, and ugprade.  or boot to an older kernel, and upgrade
[08:09] <concept10> Anyone experiencing a problem where the GDM login screen is locking up?
[08:10] <jussi01> concept10, see topic
[08:10] <concept10> I cant get past this problem
[08:10] <concept10> jussi01: topic doesnt help none
[08:10] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: i allready chrooted and just tried an uprgade, it says there is nothing to upgrade
[08:11] <XenSA> can someone please tell me how to make my /tmp directory writable i have tried chmod 1777 and it still gives me cannot acces tmp and i am logged as root
[08:11] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: does it say packages kept back?
[08:11] <concept10> How do I debug GDM problems?
[08:11] <Kubuntulator> yeah i just doing general linux testing on a partition on my lappy atm my main pc is a file server for XBMC :-) and i wont be taking XP pro off there until i 100% happy with linux and can move about seemlesly in the OS i chose to stick with
[08:12] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: no
[08:12] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: odd.
[08:12] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: i get the packages from de.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:12] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: is the latest kernel (-15) actually installed?
[08:12] <jussi01> Hobbsee, maybe he's on a +1 server
[08:12] <Hobbsee> ahh, de. might nto be updated yet
[08:13] <jussi01> Hobbsee, yeah, that
[08:13] <concept10> Does anyone know what the vague topic is talking about with the "not booting" stuff?
[08:13] <Hobbsee> jussi01: :)
[08:13] <Beta> Any one else having troubles installing the updates?
[08:13] <XenSA> what to what to do if /tmp seems corrupt???
[08:13] <Hobbsee> !breakage | concept10
[08:13] <ubotu> concept10: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[08:13] <Hobbsee> Beta: see the /topic
[08:13] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: where can i get the _good stuff_ ?
[08:13] <Hobbsee> concept10: although it's now fixed
[08:14] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: archive.u.c - take the de. out
[08:14] <concept10> I can boot, but my GDM freezes.  I checked launchpad to no avail. this sucks.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> concept10: use kdm?
[08:15] <Beta> Hobbsee, I was asking in general, to see if I have something wrong with my personal network.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> or xdm?
[08:15] <Hobbsee> Beta: there are some problems, which have been fixed now, but may not be at all mirrors yet. so, yes.
[08:15] <jussi01> Hobbsee, do you know where all the archive server address are listed along with how much delay they have?
[08:15] <Beta> Ok. Cool. I'll try again tomorrow morning.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> !mirror | jussi01
[08:15] <ubotu> jussi01: Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[08:16] <Hobbsee> jussi01: to the second?  no
[08:16] <jojoman02> is the RC released?
[08:16] <jussi01> thanks Hobbsee ... I remeber one page that had +1 day or such written on it...
[08:16] <jojoman02> i'm guessing not...
[08:16] <jussi01> jojoman02, no
[08:17] <Hobbsee> jojoman02: it's not in the topic, so no
[08:17] <concept10> This release is going to be horrible, I can feel it
[08:17] <jojoman02> i don't think it's going to be horrible...
[08:17] <doug1> i don't either
[08:17] <jussi01> concept10, nah, its gonna be great - these problems are a good thing now
[08:17] <jojoman02> they got 10 days
[08:17] <Hobbsee> concept10: would you happen to be out of space?
[08:17] <concept10> 10 days
[08:18] <jojoman02> plus there are always a couple of quirks on the final
[08:18] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: thx for you engagement u are a great help, it seems to work here, i'm getting 2.6.20-15 right now :-)
[08:18] <doug1> 10 days? i thought it was coming out the 17th?
[08:18] <jojoman02> hence the reason for updates
[08:18] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: :)
[08:18] <Hobbsee> doug1: 19th.  was never on the 17th
[08:18] <snowpunk98> So if I wanted to create a user that can basically only log in and not sudo things can I do that
[08:18] <Hobbsee> well, the week of
[08:18] <concept10> Hobbsee: yes, I happen to be out of space... in Windows XP because GDM freezes
[08:18] <doug1> oh i see
[08:19] <Hobbsee> concept10: that's why.  log in with a VT, adn delete some stuff
[08:19] <Hobbsee> concept10: yes, there's a bug filed over it
[08:19] <bdgraue> and thanks to someone else who told me a week ago how too chroot a damaged sys :-)
[08:19] <concept10> Over GDM?
[08:19] <jojoman02> err 15 days sorry...
[08:19] <Hobbsee> concept10: over GDM not letting you login when you're out of space, yes.
[08:19] <jussi01> Hobbsee, Im on the finnish server which seems to be a day behind. I just updated to the -14 kernel... Im scared to restart. do you know which server in europe would be up to date? or should i use a different one...
[08:19] <elubie> I had that problem yesterday, but unfortunately since then the binary nvidia driver install doesn't work. I did reconfigure xorg to use 'nv' for the moment. Is this a known issue? Any info on that?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> was discussed on ubuntu-devel a while ago too, iirc.
[08:20] <Hobbsee> jussi01: archive.ubuntu.com - you can have multiple mirrors in your sources list, though
[08:20] <concept10> Hobbsee: out of disk space?  heh, I thought you meant outer space
[08:20] <Hobbsee> elubie: you have to recompile the binary nvidia module every time the kernel updates.  this is normal
[08:20] <billy> Any recommendations for a PDF editor?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> (with an api bump)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> concept10: meant out of disk space :P
[08:21] <jojoman02> anyone know why the RC isn't out yet?
[08:21] <Hobbsee> jojoman02: bug
[08:21] <Hobbsee> s
[08:21] <concept10> Hobbsee: no, theres at least a gig in root
[08:21] <Hobbsee> concept10: and in /home?
[08:21] <jtt> jojoman02: i believe Heno and the folks are saying  4/12/07 is the RC
[08:22] <jtt> jojoman02: unofficially that is
[08:22] <concept10> Hobbsee: more than a gig
[08:22] <jojoman02> jtt, ahhh, ok...
[08:22] <jojoman02> tnx
[08:22] <Hobbsee> jtt: it's not - they had to rebuild it
[08:22] <Hobbsee> it was going to be the RC
[08:22] <concept10> Hobbsee: sorry for the complaints, I know you try .. just trying to get it fixed
[08:22] <jtt> Hobbsee: have they finished the rebuild
[08:22] <Hobbsee> jtt: until they announce new images on ubuntu-devel, they dont exist.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> jtt: true - but they hadnt on the 12th
[08:23] <Hobbsee> jtt: i'd assume so - europe is asleep, for the most part
[08:23] <Hobbsee> concept10: true.  i dont personally, work on gnome though
[08:23] <jussi01> nah, europes awake now Hobbsee
[08:23] <jtt> Hobbsee: yes i noticed the daily was dated teh 12th  do they create daily on the weekends
[08:23] <XenSA> what to do if /tmp seems corrupt???
[08:23] <jtt> or does daily mean  daily
[08:24] <concept10> Hobbsee: I saw someone report a similar problem.  Is the kernel in the repos now?
[08:24] <Hobbsee> concept10: -15.  yes
[08:24] <Hobbsee> XenSA: delete what's inside it?
[08:24] <Hobbsee> jtt: they create daily on the weekends, they dont create cds when they know it's broken, though
[08:25] <snowpunk98> Why does my server keep asking for the CD
[08:25] <snowpunk98> I have CD commented out in sources.list
[08:25] <concept10> This testing release actually have been pretty good except for the kernels.
[08:25] <Hobbsee> jussi01: true, it's waking up
[08:25] <concept10> *has been
[08:25] <Hobbsee> X hastn broken (much), suprisingly
[08:25] <jussi01> Hobbsee, Im in europe and its 9.25am here...
[08:25] <jtt> Hobbsee: ok that is go to know i wondered why the dailys were back at 4/12  thanks  :-)
[08:26] <Hobbsee> jussi01: true.  london, particularly, though
[08:26] <Hobbsee> jtt: :)
[08:26] <jussi01> Hobbsee, :)
[08:26] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: my system does not start :-( it hangs at the kubuntu logo and there is no progress
[08:27] <bdgraue> it does not help
[08:27] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: boot in recovery mode to see where the problem is
[08:27] <bdgraue> i did it
[08:28] <XenSA> what to do if /tmp seems corrupt???
[08:29] <Hobbsee> XenSA: delete what's inside it?
[08:29] <jussi01> lol
[08:29] <jussi01> Ill be back later... if i get back, im gonna restart...
[08:34] <billy> I found a PDF editor, if anyone's interested, I can give a link.  :)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> billy: whihc was it?
[08:35] <billy> Hobbsee, pdfEdit
[08:35] <Hobbsee> ahh
[08:35] <billy> any insight?
[08:36] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: there it ends in recovery mode   http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/9217/
[08:36] <Hobbsee> billy: none at all.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: which does /dev/disk/by-uuid/01b05012-0b06d-4ac6-8c72-cb146fd64f9f refer to?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> ie, /dev/$da#?
[08:36] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: i have no idea
[08:37] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: did you partition that machine?
[08:37] <bdgraue> yes
[08:37] <DreamThief> hi!
[08:37] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: yes i did
[08:37] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: but you dont remember in what order you did ti?
[08:37] <kane77> okay, I installed -15.25 wish me luck, I'm going to restart... :)
[08:38] <DreamThief> kane77, for me this kernel image does not fix anything compared to 2.6.20-14
[08:38] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: i now nothing about these uuid
[08:38] <bdgraue> know
[08:38] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: i know nothing about these uuid
[08:38] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: yes, but you would know the original partiton numbers
[08:38] <bdgraue> yes
[08:39] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: which partition was / on?
[08:39] <Hobbsee>  /dev/hda#?
[08:39] <bdgraue> Hobbsee:  /dev/sda1
[08:39] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: great :)
[08:40] <mon^rch> PWill: you have any probs with v-box and releasing the keyboard/mouse?
[08:40] <rohan> what is a "403 on the kernel" ? the HTTP error 403 ?
[08:40] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: okay, when you get to grub, on that machine, for the latest kernel, hit e, go to the kernel line, hit e, take out the UUID=..... and replace that with /dev/sda1, and then hit b.  hten log back onto irc.
[08:40] <PWill> mon^rch: i think you just hit ctrl
[08:41] <PWill> unless i set that up on my own
[08:41] <Hobbsee> rohan: yes
[08:41] <mon^rch> it says ctrl_R (bottom right)
[08:42] <rohan> Hobbsee: ok
[08:42] <PWill> oh
[08:42] <PWill> the right control key
[08:43] <DreamThief> I got trouble booting the latest feisty amd64 kernels -  at boottime I get a kernelpanic while initializing the sata-discs
[08:44] <DreamThief> it's the same with 2.6.20-14 and 2.6.20-15
[08:44] <Hobbsee> DreamThief: /topic
[08:44] <Hobbsee> ah.  drat
[08:44] <Hobbsee> filed a bug yet?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> (for the -15 one)
[08:44] <DreamThief> noppe, I first wnted to ask if anyone else has experienced this error yet
[08:44] <DreamThief> +a
[08:47] <rohan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063/comments/45 ---> such users should be banned forever :-s
[08:47] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.23 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix released] 
[08:49] <Hobbsee> rohan: heh.  yes.   their whinging tends to get ignored - it's a development release, things break.
[08:49] <Hobbsee> it's just a pity they had to break this late.
[08:49] <rohan> exactly
[08:49] <rohan> the other problem is, such flamebait takes the attention away from the bug. see, after his whine, so many others respond to it, rather than giving bug reports
[08:50] <rohan> is this kernel thing going to push back the release date ?
[08:50] <crimsun> it has pushed back RC already
[08:50] <Hobbsee> well, they can whine all they like, but their whining is going to just get ignored by the devs
[08:50] <crimsun> it may affect final
[08:50] <Hobbsee> rohan: depends how many people test the final cds, nad how many problems they find
[08:51] <rohan> crimsun: ah
[08:51] <chemicalvamp> i need to know.. if i change my notebooks MAC IP SUBNET to be the same as my towers (where my dhcp works) should my laptops dhcp work?
[08:51] <rohan> let's hope ont
[08:51] <rohan> *not
[08:51] <crimsun> it's pretty sad, really. People don't thank the core kernel team. They only complain when something breaks.
[08:51] <rohan> crimsun: is that not the case with almost all open source software ?
[08:51] <rohan> :(
[08:52] <crimsun> rohan: virtually. Some examples receive disproportionately more flaming.
[08:52] <rohan> like ? this kernel one ?
[08:53] <chemicalvamp> i also changed gateway address
[08:53] <crimsun> rohan: yep
[08:53] <crimsun> rohan: compiz & beryl, democracyplayer, firefox, etc.
[08:53] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thanks, btw :)    :P
[08:54] <crimsun> Hobbsee: no need to thank me; I'm not kernel-core :)
[08:54] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: there must be an other problem, then a wrong uuid, i have sata here, might be a problem with that... same here if i change from uuid to /dev/sdaX
[08:54] <Hobbsee> could be.  not sure
[08:55] <bdgraue> with the latest feistc-cd all devices are ok
[08:55] <mon^rch> PWill: ok, got it.... I locked up my ubuntu trying to find the keystroke... twice :P
[08:56] <PWill> mon^rch: hehe. does it work well?
[08:57] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: is there an older kernel installable?
[08:58] <mon^rch> PWill: so far so good... looks like the install is going fast
[08:58] <jtt> europe just woke up they just posted the iso dailys for the 14th interesting
[08:58] <PWill> mon^rch: which os?
[08:58] <jtt> ubuntu only
[08:58] <mon^rch> xp vlk
[08:58] <paula> !feisty
[08:59] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[08:59] <PWill> vlk?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: you didnt keep old kernel versions?
[08:59] <mon^rch> volume liscense
[08:59] <Lynoure> The latest kernel just does not boot for me since the last updates :(
[08:59] <paula> !schedule
[08:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[08:59] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: /topic
[08:59] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: -15 or -14?
[08:59] <Lynoure> -14, according to grub.
[09:00] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: update, then.
[09:00] <Hobbsee> chroot in
[09:00] <mon^rch> PWill: install is going REALLY fast
[09:00] <Lynoure> chroot what in?
[09:00] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: der was an 2.6.20-14  that worked
[09:00] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: than there was this horrible update...
[09:00] <PWill> mon^rch: yeah, i like VB. what kind of processor do you have?
[09:01] <crdlb> 2.6.20-14.23 was the first bad kernel
[09:01] <mon^rch> PWill: AMD64 3000+
[09:01] <mon^rch> :/
[09:01] <kane77> yay! -15.25 solves it for me!
[09:01] <jtt> kane77: solves what please
[09:01] <mon^rch> it does the job quickly :)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: chroot into feisty, or use an old kernel, to update your system
[09:01] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: to -15
[09:01] <kane77> jtt, problems with -14.23
[09:02] <PWill> mon^rch: it went faster on my 2.8 GHz Pentium D dual core, i bet :D
[09:02] <jtt> kane77: thanks
[09:02] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: do u have an idea why -15 does not work here?
[09:02] <mon^rch> PWill: I bet... just wait till I upgrade my cpu ;)
[09:03] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I don't think I have ever used chroot to get in anywhere, rather to keep things jailed... But I already booted to -13. Is that somehow bad for the updates (not seeing how)?
[09:03] <PWill> i can't wait for consumer grade 8 and 16 core
[09:03] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: none
[09:03] <mon^rch> I even have an old vid card... 5200FX
[09:03] <bdgraue> :-((
[09:03] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: no, it's not.  you just need a working system to update it (for obvious reasons)
[09:03] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: *nod*
[09:03] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: ie, otherwise you cant run apt-get update
[09:04] <PWill> mon^rch: i have a 256MB geforce 7100
[09:04] <mon^rch> oooooooooo nice :)
[09:04] <PWill> mon^rch: i just built myself a new desktop in december
[09:04] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I know that.
[09:04] <mon^rch> If I only had money :/
[09:04] <PWill> so i bought all kinds of good stuff
[09:05] <elubie> Hobbsee: with then nvidia driver - it means that I have to wait until there is an update that works with the -15 kernel, right?
[09:05] <mon^rch> yeah a geforce 7XXX is only $125 right now
[09:05] <Hobbsee> elubie: depends no how you installed it originally
[09:05] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: :)
[09:06] <mon^rch> PWill: my b-day on the 23rd... I'm treating myself to a WD 500GB SATA
[09:06] <mon^rch> which will also leave me broke...
[09:06] <elubie> Hobbsee: I think I just installed nvidia-glx from the restricted repo, not anything from the nvidia site
[09:07] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:07] <Hobbsee> that should get rebuilt soonish
[09:07] <Hobbsee> or already done
[09:07] <PWill> mon^rch: ah, you have me beat. i just bought a 320 GB Seagate Barracuda
[09:07] <PWill> perpendicular
[09:08] <mon^rch> PWill: I got two SATA right now totalling47 GB... I just want more...
[09:08] <mon^rch> 470
[09:08] <mon^rch> music fan
[09:08] <PWill> i don't have that much stuff
[09:09] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: But if you have time to tell me how I could have chrooted in, I'm grateful.
[09:09] <mon^rch> I plunder amule regularly
[09:09] <PWill> 30GB of music, oo docs, web devel stuff and that's about it
[09:09] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: nto much point if you can boot feisty, on any kernel at all
[09:09] <Hobbsee> !chroot | Lynoure
[09:09] <ubotu> Lynoure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[09:10] <Hobbsee> but that's some of the info
[09:10] <mon^rch> well my install's done....
[09:11] <mon^rch> and from the sounds of things already the audio support in v-box is way smoother :)
[09:12] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: those assume that I am logged into to the working system, I'm not sure how I'd done those.
[09:14] <Lynoure> (asking because I knew I'm not always this lucky)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: from a live cd :)
[09:14] <valehru> Hey guys, Im trying to install feisty and it seems to keep hanging on migrating accounts.  Its weird because there is no other linux install on this system.....any tips?
[09:14] <tonyyarusso> nbound: which version of -15?
[09:14] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: ie, sudo chroot /mnt/feisty su and then upgrade from there
[09:14] <nbound> the one on the repos
[09:15] <nbound> amd64
[09:15] <nbound> generic
[09:15] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: ah, that I knew :) I thought you meant from grub.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: nah :)
[09:15] <tonyyarusso> nbound: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[09:15] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: Well, one can always hope :)
[09:15] <nbound> gimme a sec ill start the other pc
[09:16] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: hehe, true
[09:16] <oldude67> hello
[09:16] <mon^rch> PWill: dude! thanks for the introduction
[09:17] <oldude67> how do i install java ?
[09:17] <pwuertz> ok.. the latest ubuntu upgrades broke my system... when I'm trying to boot, I'm getting following error messages:
[09:17] <pwuertz> ata1.00: n_sectors mismatch 39070080 != 92537206614400
[09:17] <pwuertz> ata1.00: revalidation failed (errno=-19)
[09:17] <pwuertz> ata1.00: disabled
[09:17] <PWill> mon^rch: no problem, hope it works out great
[09:17] <nbound> oldude67, check the restricted formats page on ubuntu wiki
[09:17] <pwuertz> anyone knows whats this about?
[09:17] <oldude67> thank you
[09:18] <pwuertz> the latest ubuntu kernel is not able to use my hd
[09:18] <pwuertz> anymore
[09:18] <Hobbsee> pwuertz: -14 or -15?
[09:18] <nbound> tonyyarusso, it spits out some stuff what exactly are you after?
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> nbound: The package version number
[09:19] <pwuertz> Hobbsee: -14 i think
[09:19] <Hobbsee> pwuertz: upgrade to -15, see the topic
[09:19] <mon^rch> PWill: so far it runs about as fast as this machine in windows...
[09:20] <PWill> mon^rch: ah, the beauty of open source
[09:20] <pwuertz> Hobbsee: i updated 20 minutes ago... there was no 15
[09:20] <PWill> Virtual Box > VM Ware
[09:20] <Hobbsee> pwuertz: your mirror is likely outdated
[09:20] <nbound> .25
[09:20] <pwuertz> great ^^
[09:20] <afflux> can I install the 2.6.20-15.25 from windows if i have access to the boot partition?
[09:20] <mon^rch> we'll see
[09:21] <PWill> not as feature-full, but it's getting there
[09:21] <nbound> tonyyarusso, .25 (sorry forgot to type ur name)
[09:21] <oldude67> went to the page and it just says about license agreement ....i just want to install to run frostwire
[09:21] <afflux> I can extract the .deb, is it enough to just extract the files from the package that belong to /boot?
[09:21] <tonyyarusso> nbound: Interesting... checked LP for bugs?
[09:22] <oldude67> is there a room for stupid people like me?
[09:22] <nbound> tonyyarusso, never used LP
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> nbound: You should.  http://launchpad.net/
[09:23] <noname`> Anyone successfully gotten a built in webcam to work on feisty?
[09:24] <afflux> were can i find the 2.6.20-15 kernel? packages.ubuntu.com search for linux-image-2.6.20-15 returns no result
[09:25] <nbound> tonyyarusso, nothing on LP or googlr :(
[09:25] <bdgraue> afflux: archive.ubuntu.com
[09:25] <tonyyarusso> nbound: file it then
[09:25] <afflux> ah, thx bdgraue
[09:25] <nbound> arg... i have to sign up :'(
[09:25] <sanityx> Hey when is the RC coming out?
[09:27] <mon^rch> PWill: I seem to only be able to get as high as 1024X768... know a way araund it? (my video isn't displaying installed right in device manager
[09:27] <afflux> sanityx: april 12th, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[09:28] <sanityx> its april 14th
[09:28] <afflux> is it?
[09:28] <sanityx> yes.
[09:28] <afflux> damn.
[09:28] <nbound> haha
[09:28] <PWill> mon^rch: hmm... google it, my best guess
[09:29] <cyt> Maybe due to the kerenl breakge issue, so it delayed.
[09:29] <PWill> mon^rch: or maybe there is a reolution setting in the VB preferences
[09:29] <sanityx> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_7_04_release_candidate_delayed
[09:29] <chemicalvamp> so what can i do to fix my feisty installs network bugs?
[09:29] <valehru> hey guys, burned a new disk, tried once again to install feisty.  When I get to the migrate documents and settings screen ubuquity suddently crashes out...what gives?
[09:31] <shirish> is there any alternative to Gnomebaker on the GTK+ platform?
[09:36] <UnluckyMike> I'm having a problem configuring my Wireless connection, I can get it up running all the commands in the console but, when I try to add the info to my network interfaces file it locks my gnome session. Anyone got any idea's?
[09:37] <pwuertz> could someone please explain me how to unmount a busy device?
[09:37] <pwuertz> i do "umount /mnt/hd".... but umount fails... it says the device is busy
[09:38] <afflux> pwuertz: sudo lsof /dev/hdX
[09:38] <afflux> pwuertz: should show which process uses the device
[09:38] <pwuertz> then I do a "fuser /mnt/hd" or "fuser -m /dev/sda1".. but there are no processes shown
[09:38] <unimatrix9> hello there
[09:39] <unimatrix9> where can i find the newest feisty downloads for testing?
[09:39] <Hidan> sh /windows/Firefox downloads$/boinc_5.8.17_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[09:39] <unimatrix9> whats the ftp server for the newest downloads so i can run an test?
[09:39] <Hidan> oops
[09:39] <pwuertz> afflux: there is a warning the output might be incomplete
[09:39] <jussi01> Hobbsee, !!
[09:40] <afflux> pwuertz: is there any output?
[09:40] <unimatrix9> Hidan is joining the grid...:)
[09:40] <pwuertz> afflux: no
[09:40] <afflux> (except the warning)
[09:40] <afflux> hm... try sudo lsof +D /media/hdX
[09:40] <Hidan> huh... i'm simply trying to install the latest version of boinc client...
[09:40] <unimatrix9> hello all, where can i find the newest fiesty downloads?
[09:40] <afflux> (could take some time)
[09:41] <concept10> I just learned something.. after not being able to run login with GDM, even after updating.. I can can only get X by using startx at the root prompt which starts Xfce.  I have 40 fewer processes open and 250MBs of extra memory.
[09:41] <Hidan> gee just why aren't .deb file a more common sight? :/
[09:41] <jussi01> unimatrix9, just go to system->admin->sources and change the server to main
[09:41] <unimatrix9> i mean the iso of feisty, the newest in the branch, for testing..
[09:42] <jussi01> !release
[09:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[09:42] <pwuertz> afflux: I shut down the system.... luckily it did not freeze during shutdown
[09:43] <pwuertz> afflux: this is one of the things I hate about linux... that mount thing... if I say "unmount the device", I dont want any excuses
[09:43] <afflux> well... then you can just remove the device
[09:43] <valehru> Hey guys, I have multiple machines on a lan, now I don't want each of those machines to all download updates, lots of bandwidth would be used.  Is there a way I can get say the main server to get the updates from the ubuntu repos and then mirror the updates to the rest of the lan?
[09:44] <afflux> (which would be equal to just shutdown, no matter if anything is still writing/reading from ist)
[09:44] <pwuertz> afflux: this is not the case, lets say the device is a hd.... or a network share.... you cant "unplug" them...
[09:45] <Hidan> okay. anyone know how to run "Sh" command without getting any "errors like permission errors, utime errors", etc.? I've tried "gksudo sh" and even "sudo sh" but no joy.
[09:45] <jussi01> is there a way to make the window list display only icons? not text at all?
[09:46] <afflux> pwuertz: try umount -f
[09:46] <jussi01> Hidan, try sudo bash sh .....
[09:46] <pwuertz> afflux: one of the worst design flaws is mounting samba shares... if you loose the connection to a share... and one process is still trying to access the mounted file system... you're dead... becuase you cant unmount it, because the processes are still accessing the fs.... and you cant kill the processes, because they are freezed
[09:46] <Hidan> jussi01: bash, huh? I knew I should've given that Bash tutorial a read.
[09:47] <jussi01> :D
[09:47] <mawe> !breakage
[09:47] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[09:47] <afflux> pwuertz: -f is exactly for this
[09:47] <pwuertz> afflux: never worked for me
[09:47] <afflux> hm
[09:47] <afflux> no idea then
[09:47] <pwuertz> instead of "umount: device is busy".... by using umount -f i normally get "umount2: device is busy"
[09:48] <pwuertz> some optimization ^^
[09:48] <mawe> has the broken kernel issue been resolved for everyone? i just did an upgrade and tried to boot but still the the hpa problem...
[09:48] <Hidan>  /bin/sh: cannot execute binary file hmmmm
[09:48] <afflux> HEHE
[09:48] <afflux> woops, capslock
[09:48] <afflux> mawe: they say the 2.6.20-15.25 would fix it...
[09:48] <afflux> mawe: i will try this in about 10 minutes...
[09:49] <jussi01> Hidan, try redownloading it, seems it has a prob...
[09:49] <jussi01> maybe
[09:49] <pwuertz> afflux: I know there is no solution to the problem with mounting network file systems... I'm just complaining ^^...
[09:50] <jussi01> Hidan, one thing, have you made it executable?
[09:50] <afflux> well... i never got nfs to work but smb worked out of the box... so i use this :D
[09:51] <pwuertz> jea, just be sure your network cable wont get unplugged or your remote share does not go down ^^
[09:51] <mawe> afflux: thanks, will try that one..
[09:51] <Hidan> jussi01: executable? O_o;; mmm... all it says here on the page is "self-extracting archive"
[09:51] <MJB_> upgraded to feisty on thursday, no problems, but now almost unusable - application windows are all missing the tops and bottoms to them, and cannot type in many applications (e.g. firefox)
[09:53] <afflux> gonna try the kernelupdate now... later
[09:53] <NickGarvey> is the kernel fixed at this point?
[09:53] <afflux> NickGarvey: i can tell you in 20 minutes ;)
[09:54] <Thib_G> hello
[09:54] <NickGarvey> I think it is
[09:54] <NickGarvey> no 403 at least
[09:55] <Thib_G> I can't get sound working since the 2.6.20-14-generic kernel
[09:55] <Thib_G> I'm now on the latest kernel ( 2.6.20-15 ), but sound isn't gone back
[09:56] <NickGarvey> have you used "alsamixer" to see if your volumes are down?
[09:56] <Thib_G> No complain from ALSA into dmesg, sound card detected, volumes up, no mute, but no sound output at all
[09:56] <Thib_G> I'm using a HDA Intel chipset
[09:56] <NickGarvey> me too
[09:57] <NickGarvey> cat /etc/* > /dev/dsp
[09:57] <NickGarvey> does that do anything?
[09:57] <Thib_G> no
[09:57] <NickGarvey> hm
[09:58] <NickGarvey> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa[hit tab]  restart do anything?
[09:58] <Thib_G> no
[09:58] <NickGarvey> tried it?
[09:58] <Thib_G> ( I've tried, to see if there was an output on dmesg )
[09:58] <NickGarvey> hm
[09:59] <afflux> NickGarvey: replacing the files in /boot by hand (i'm in windows atm) didn't fix the kernel issue
[09:59] <kunwon1> [hit tab] ?
[09:59] <NickGarvey> afflux: oh well.. um.. I think its working for me
[09:59] <afflux> okay
[09:59] <NickGarvey> kunwon1: autocomplete, I didn't remember the exact name
[09:59] <afflux> add a "for me" to my sentence ;)
[09:59] <kunwon1> Ahhh :] 
[10:00] <NickGarvey> afflux: what files did you change?
[10:00] <afflux> abi-2.6.20-15, config-2.6.20-15, System.map-2.6.20-15 and vmlinuz-2.6.20-15
[10:00] <NickGarvey> edit the menu.lst too right?
[10:00] <afflux> yep
[10:01] <NickGarvey> want me to tar up my /boot and send it to you?
[10:01] <MJB_> upgraded to feisty on thursday, no problems, but now almost unusable - application windows are all missing the tops and bottoms to them, and cannot type in many applications (e.g. firefox)
[10:01] <afflux> no, i'll burn the live iso now and will try from there
[10:01] <NickGarvey> alright
[10:01] <afflux> but thanks ;)
[10:01] <NickGarvey> lemme brb..
[10:02] <Thib_G> so, no information about HDA Intel breakage ?
[10:03] <jussi01> Hidan, sorry to disappear on you...
[10:04] <jussi01> what is the program?
[10:08] <Almindor> hey guys, any known problems regarding DHCP client?
[10:08] <Almindor> I get random not-got-ip results after boot, restarting the interface via system/admin/network always works, but it's a showstopper for other users
[10:13] <kane77> should i report that the bug was fixed for me?
[10:15] <Thib_G> Anyone having a HDA Intel here N
[10:15] <Thib_G> ?*
[10:17] <RAOF> Thib_G: Yup, although that won't be much help for you.
[10:17] <Thib_G> RAOF: have you sound output with the latest kernels ?
[10:18] <RAOF> Thib_G: Yes, but that's no help for you.  There's one Intel HDA quirk per laptop :)
[10:19] <Thib_G> the sound worked fine before the 2.6.20-14 kernel
[10:20] <Thib_G> now, the soundcard is detected, all is up, but not sound at all
[10:22] <awkorama> hi, anybody runs azureus on feisty?
[10:29] <Hidan> jussi01: it's boinc... http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
[10:30] <gortiz> someone know how to make the usplash show also what ubuntu is doing on boot? like in the Ubuntu 6.06 and before
[10:31] <gortiz> I like the new bootsplash but I also like to know when and where the system hung up..
[10:32] <gortiz> i've tried to find something on internet but every where is written that i've to recompile the usplash.. and nowhere is written in what kind of way i've to configure it to make show that list..
[10:32] <jussi01> Hidan, have you right clicked the file -> properties ->permissions -> allow executing file as a program?
[10:32] <Hidan> jussi01: ahhh? Oh you can do that?
[10:32] <Hidan> jussi01: goes to try that now :D
[10:33] <jussi01> gortiz, when you get to the grub screen, remove the woords quiet and splash from the boot line
[10:33] <jarle> awkorama: azureus started crashing for me so I had to remove the package and download from the azureus website instead...
[10:33] <jussi01> gortiz, you have to push c or e or something, it tells you there, I cant remember...
[10:33] <gortiz> jussi01, into the grub?
[10:33] <awkorama> jarle> thanks
[10:33] <gortiz> but in this way i'll also remove the bootsplash
[10:34] <gortiz> and i want to achieve a bootsplash like in Ubuntu 6.06
[10:34] <jussi01> gortiz, yeah, when you load grub just look there, it has a little dialogue. doing this will only remove it for this one boot
[10:34] <gortiz> with the Ubuntu logo and below a list of what is doing..
[10:34] <jussi01> gortiz, then just romve quiet
[10:34] <gortiz> ok
[10:35] <gortiz> i'trie
[10:35] <jussi01> ok
[10:35] <gortiz> ;)
[10:35] <jussi01> Hidan, how did you go?
[10:36] <asraniel> hi there, does anybody play half life with steam on feisty?
[10:36] <Hidan> jussi01: no go, can't do that. I'm not logged in as root...
[10:36] <jussi01> asraniel, I dont, but whats the issue?
[10:36] <asraniel> i just played, and it deathlocked my computer
[10:36] <jussi01> Hidan, go to terminal and gksu nautilus
[10:36] <jussi01> then try
[10:36] <jussi01> asraniel, nasty...
[10:37] <jussi01> asraniel, however i have no idea how to fix that
[10:37] <asraniel> jussi01: yes, i mean, sure, wine can crash if it wants, but i think it isnt normal that the whole system goes down
[10:37] <jussi01> asraniel, did ctrl alt backspace help at all?
[10:37] <jussi01> i assume it didnt
[10:38] <asraniel> no, the keyboard leds where blinking, the system was completely blocked
[10:38] <jussi01> ouch
[10:44] <Hidan> jussi01: finally extracted it but... what do i do now?
[10:45] <Hidan> jussi01:
[10:45] <Hidan> lucifiel@lucifiel:/windows/boinc$ sh binstall.sh
[10:45] <Hidan> cd: 1: can't cd to BOINC
[10:47] <jussi01> Hidan, this is what mine said after extraction... jussi@jussi-laptop:~/Desktop/guituner_0.05beta2$ ./configure
[10:47] <jussi01> loading cache ./config.cache
[10:47] <jussi01> configure: error: can not find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../..
[10:47] <jussi01> jussi@jussi-laptop:~/Desktop/guituner_0.05beta2$
[10:47] <jussi01> oops
[10:47] <jussi01> wrong thingg
[10:47] <jussi01> use /home/jussi/Desktop/BOINC/run_manager to start BOINC
[10:47] <Hidan> jussi01: ohhh so i just move this directory into where all the programs are normally installed?
[10:47] <jussi01> so i would try ./run_manager
[10:48] <Gambaroni> When I use netboot to install and would create partitions, the hdd isn't found, what could be wrong?
[10:49] <jussi01> Hidan, just do ./run_manager
[10:50] <afflux> getting the following when trying to chroot from livecd to my feisty: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[10:51] <Hidan> grrrr now i'm getting errors... lol. you know what? I think I'll just revert back to the package in Synaptic.
[10:52] <jussi01> ok
[10:53] <Hidan> yeah thank you for your help, though... =/
[10:54] <afflux> ah, problem found.. gnome mounted the partition with noexec -.-
[10:56] <jussi01> Hidan, yw
[11:00] <askar> !breakage
[11:00] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[11:01] <fenrig> wow
[11:01] <fenrig>  how come there was something wrong???
[11:01] <fenrig> i dont get it
[11:02] <dystopianray> fenrig: there was problem with a kernel update
[11:04] <DreamThief> launchpad is down?
[11:04] <askar> DreamThief:  hrm..no?
[11:05] <DreamThief> at the moment, the new kernel does'nt produce any mor machine check error on my amd64 pc, but the nvidia-dlx package is broken ^^
[11:05] <DreamThief> OperationalError
[11:05] <DreamThief> A server error occurred.
[11:05] <afflux> i get "operationalerror - A server error occurred."
[11:05] <DreamThief> tahts what I get at launchpaf
[11:05] <DreamThief> -.-
[11:06] <DreamThief> i get a lot of typos ^^
[11:06] <afflux> hehe
[11:06] <afflux> alright, update done, hope it works now...
[11:07] <mawe> maybe the launchpad server run feisty... with the kernels from yesterday :->
[11:08] <Xteven> hi
[11:09] <Toma-> lo
[11:09] <Xteven> is it possible that edgy is experiencing difficulties because of the upcoming feisty ?
[11:09] <dystopianray> Xteven: are you having any specific difficulties?
[11:09] <RAOF> No.
[11:09] <Xteven> dystopianray: yes, but on edgy :) I'm not sure this is the right channel
[11:09] <Xteven> evolution crashes on start, so does beagle
[11:09] <Toma-> ...like is edgy feeling redundant because feisty is here soon?
[11:10] <busfahrer> Is the 19th still valid as a release date or will feisty get delayed?
[11:10] <Toma-> ok
[11:10] <Xteven> and the bugtracking system seems broken too
[11:10] <dystopianray> busfahrer: I think it'll probably be delayed, there isn't even an RC yet
[11:10] <Toma-> busfahrer: dont set your alarm too early on the 19th. usually, releases dont get released on the very day
[11:10] <Xteven> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs <- this is the officiel bugtracking system of ubuntu, no ?
[11:11] <RAOF> Yes, it is, and yes, it's down.
[11:11] <Xteven> ah ok :)
[11:11] <Xteven> just making sure the right people know about it
[11:11] <busfahrer> Toma-: I'm trying to have a release party, that's why :-)
[11:12] <Toma-> busfahrer: gosh <:) well you can always have it on the weekend after the 19th
[11:12] <pollyo> Has anyone here tried landell?
[11:12] <busfahrer> Toma-: Alright, cheers
[11:15] <Gambaroni> When I use netboot to install and would create partitions, the hdd isn't found, what could be wrong?
[11:18] <ben__> Is launchpad not working? I keep getting 500 errors.
[11:20] <dystopianray> ben__: it is currently down
[11:20] <peter77> what's down?
[11:20] <dystopianray> Gambaroni: missing drivers perhaps?
[11:20] <dystopianray> peter77: launchpad
[11:20] <peter77> ahh not another buggy update?
[11:20] <peter77> oh launchpad!
[11:20] <Gambaroni> dystopianray how do i fix that :O?
[11:20] <dystopianray> Gambaroni: no idea, I don't know anything about netboot
[11:21] <Gambaroni> ok
[11:21] <peter77> I don't even know what netboot is!
[11:21] <peter77> now I do
[11:23] <ben__> So I would check launchpad, but it being down, would the broken updates be the cause of the nvidia installer not being able to detect the kernel source files?
[11:24] <dystopianray> ben__: why are you not using the drivers that come with feisty?
[11:24] <ben__> dystopianray: No acceleration, crap for movies, etc.
[11:24] <Tominator> are the latest upgrades the ones which fix the problems?
[11:24] <dystopianray> ben__: no i mean, the binary nvidia drivers that come with feisty
[11:24] <_buz> Tominator: did so for me
[11:24] <ben__> dystopianray: To this I have no answer.
[11:24] <_buz> what is the best way to install acroread on feisty?
[11:24] <Tominator> okay... I hope my bash won't break any more!
[11:25] <ben__> dystopianray: I thought those didn't properly support the card. Perhaps I am wrong.
[11:25] <dystopianray> ben__: which card? it has 3 sets fo drivers from nvidia to cover as much hardware as possible
[11:26] <RAOF> ben__: You've got a choice of "nvidia-glx" (96xx), which covers down to Geforce 3's (from memory), "nvidia-glx-legacy" (7xxx) which covers down to the dawn of time, and "nvidia-glx-new" (9755) which are the newest available drivers.
[11:26] <_buz> ah so there did 9755 disappear to ;)
[11:26] <ben__> dystopianray: Hrm, Ok. I'll switch consoles and try it real quick.
[11:27] <dystopianray> ben__: install the appropriate glx package for the driver you want to use, as RAOF suggested
[11:27] <ben__> Will do. What do I use in the X config, 'nv'?
[11:27] <RAOF> Or, alternativly, use the spiffing new "Restricted Manager" to do it all automatically.
[11:27] <dystopianray> ben__: you use 'nvidia'
[11:27] <crdlb> which seems to always install 9631 ?
[11:28] <RAOF> crdlb: Not if you use nvidia-glx-new
[11:28] <ben__> dystopianray: That's what I use now and it's broked.
[11:28] <dystopianray> ben__: did you install the correct glx package for your hardware?
[11:28] <ben__> RAOF: I won't be on the new one.
[11:28] <crdlb> the restricted-manager tried to install 9631 on my geforce2
[11:28] <RAOF> crdlb: And you filed a bug, I trust :P
[11:28] <crdlb> I saw some updates about that :D
[11:28] <_Jaak_> Why isn't the wine package in ubu feisty repo not updated?
[11:28] <crdlb> so I didn't bother
[11:29] <crdlb> I think they fixed it
[11:29] <ben__> dystopianray: I'd previously been compiling from the NVidia download... I should probably reinstall nvidia-glx. It was already installed.
[11:29] <dystopianray> ben__: what hardware do you have?
[11:30] <dystopianray> _Jaak_: 0.9.34 was released too late to go into feisty, except that or a newer version in gutsy
[11:30] <dystopianray> _Jaak_: or use a third party repo to get a newer wine
[11:30] <dystopianray> except = expect
[11:30] <ben__> dystopianray: From memory it's a geforce fx... one of the lower range ones. I've had it for quite some time. 5200 perhaps.
[11:30] <dystopianray> ben__: ok, then it should work if you install nvidia-glx
[11:30] <crdlb> ben__, if it's a FX you can use -new
[11:30] <_Jaak_> ok, i thought it would just keep getting updated
[11:31] <ben__> Alright. I'll give that one a shot.
[11:32] <ben__> No dice. Failed to load kernel module.
[11:33] <dystopianray> ben__: do you have the restricted-modules package for your kernel?
[11:33] <ben__> dystopianray: I'll have to figure out how to check without X. Hold on. :P
[11:34] <Tominator> hi! does somebody in here know, why my bash freezes, when I use the autocompletation (or how is it called?)?
[11:34] <dystopianray> ben__: dpkg -l | grep restricted-modules
[11:35] <ben__> dystopianray: Ah. It goes to 2.6.20.5-14, I'm on 5-15
[11:36] <ben__> dystopianray: Installing the new one now.
[11:40] <ben__> dystopianray: Bingo. She worketh!
[11:40] <ben__> Cheers dude
[11:40] <dystopianray> ben__: no problem
[11:42] <Churc> i have a geforce2 MX400, nvidia-glx-legacy installed, the questions is.. can I install nvidia-glx to get some effects on Feisty?
[11:42] <dystopianray> Churc: no, your hardware is too old
[11:43] <Churc> dystopianray: i thought so..
[11:43] <Churc> dystopianray: what video card i need to have to install nvidia-glx?
[11:43] <RAOF> Churc: You *can* install XGL and use desktop-effects, although that is *somewhat* more involved.
[11:43] <dystopianray> Churc: FX through to 7xxx
[11:45] <Churc> RAOF: well, i'll keep the legacy driver for now
[11:45] <dystopianray> Churc: oh wait, I am mistaken, your card should work with 96xx
[11:45] <schizoschaf> as ubotu's statement isn't clear in this point: if i did not upgrade feisty for the last week or so, is it reasonably safe to do so now?
[11:46] <dystopianray> Churc:  http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[11:47] <afflux> schizoschaf: if i was you, i'd wait a day
[11:47] <Churc> dystopianray: i had glx install last week intalled, with desktop effects enabled but if I remeber i've updated in a day and the X couldn't start.
[11:47] <Churc> install - driver
[11:47] <jussi01> can someone give me the command for setting up ip tables for bittorent? i dont want to install firestarter...
[11:47] <schizoschaf> ok afflux. is there a mailinglist or something which would announce whn this is fixed?
[11:48] <RAOF> Churc: If it worked before, it'll work now.
[11:48] <dystopianray> schizoschaf: the kernel issues are fixed in 2.6.20-15.25
[11:49] <schizoschaf> ok. thanks
[11:50] <Churc> RAOF: if won't work, i'll install the legacy back.
[11:50] <RawSewage> will Feisty be ready by the 19th
[11:50] <RawSewage> Large parts wer broken?
[11:51] <dystopianray> RawSewage: the kernel was broken, but should be fixed now, i suspect the final release will be delayed, considering the RC has not yet been released
[11:51] <RawSewage> oh
[11:52] <RawSewage> does there have to be a RC
[11:52] <Tominator> hi! does somebody know this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/106500
[11:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 106500 in Ubuntu "bash freezes when using completion as normal user." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:52] <Churc> RAOF: can you give me a website or something to intall nvidia-glx?
[11:53] <RAOF> Churc: "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx" from a terminal.
[11:53] <Churc> RAOF: that's all?
[11:53] <RAOF> Yup.
[11:53] <RAOF> You could do it in synaptic, if you preferred :)
[11:54] <bdgraue> if the kernel issues are fixed, why does my pc dont start? can't find the sata-drives, not with uuid or with /dev/sdaX
[11:54] <afflux> i've linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic (2.6.20-15.25) installed and the libata stuff is still not working...
[11:54] <rambo3_> are gdesklets broken in feisty ?
[11:54] <Churc> RAOF: if won't work, i just type sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[11:54] <RAOF> Churc: Yup.
[11:54] <Churc> RAOF: ok, i'll try, brb
[11:55] <dystopianray> bdgraue: do you have the fixed kernel installed?
[11:55] <bdgraue> dystopianray: yes
[11:55] <Gambaroni> When I would install beryl, would I use AIGXL or XGL?
[11:55] <bdgraue> 2.6.20-15 dystopianray
[11:55] <dystopianray> Gambaroni: what video card do you have?
[11:56] <Gambaroni> dystopianray some integrated one
[11:56] <dystopianray> Gambaroni: you'll need to be much more specific
[11:56] <crdlb> Gambaroni, lspci|grep VGA
[11:56] <Gambaroni> dystopianray ok.. can I see that in ubuntu? The installation will soon be done, and I'll tell you
[11:56] <Gambaroni> crdlb ah, nice =)
[11:58] <Churc> RAOF: and now I have to restart X, right?
[11:59] <RAOF> Indeed, that is correct.
[11:59] <Churc> RAOF: ok, god be with me.
[12:01] <afflux> i've linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic (2.6.20-15.25) installed and the libata stuff is still not working ("revalidation failed")
[12:02] <Churc> RAOF: says that it isn't set correctly and X won't start.
[12:02] <RAOF> Churc: Oh, have you restarted the computer?
[12:02] <Churc> RAOF: no
[12:02] <RAOF> You need to do that, so that linux-restricted-modules can build the right nvidia.ko
[12:02] <Churc> RAOF: ok
[12:03] <mc44> afflux: it still wont boot for you on -15.25?
[12:03] <afflux> yep.
[12:03] <afflux> removed any other kernel for testing
[12:03] <mc44> you cant boot into an older kernel?
[12:03] <afflux> i had only -14, this didn't work either
[12:03] <Xteven> hmm, I like the idea of importing documents and favorites from windows :)
[12:03] <crdlb> RAOF, so that happens completely automatically on boot?
[12:04] <mc44> afflux: did it boot before then?
[12:04] <Xteven> excellent feature
[12:04] <elubie> I get msg 'Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!' in the x error log. I have NVIDIA FX1500, trying to use nvidia-glx with 2.6.20-15-generic.
[12:04] <RAOF> crdlb: Well, you can (probably) cause it to manually happen with "sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules start"
[12:04] <afflux> mc44: it booted before the kernel update yesterday
[12:04] <dystopianray> elubie: do you have the restricted-modules package for your kernel?
[12:05] <Churc> RAOF: it worked
[12:05] <elubie> dysopianray: yep, should be there
[12:05] <mc44> afflux: hmm, you should probably file a bug or tell someone in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-kernel that it still isnt working
[12:05] <Churc> RAOF: now, let me check if I can use dekstop effects
[12:05] <afflux> kk
[12:06] <vio> hiya :)
[12:07] <Churc> RAOF: is working but seems that isn't 3D but when i type glxinfo | grep direct it says: Yes
[12:07] <Churc> RAOF: I don't have the menu bar and so on.
[12:08] <vio> Churc: are you fixing beryl?
[12:08] <Churc> vio: i don't have beryl installed
[12:08] <enyc> Hrrm  seems like libata-use is causing troubles... ;-)
[12:08] <Xteven> does the "large parts broken" thing in topic also apply to the herd-5 cd image ?
[12:08] <enyc> (for some people)
[12:08] <Churc> vio: i enabled desktop effects only.
[12:08] <crdlb> Churc, can you alt+drag windows?
[12:08] <vio> Churc: do you have wobbly windows?
[12:09] <Churc> yes
[12:09] <Churc> crdlb: yes
[12:09] <vio> Churs: do you have aiglx or xgl or nvidia drivers?
[12:09] <crdlb> Churc, sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[12:09] <Churc> vio: nvidia-glx is installed
[12:09] <Churc> crdlb: ok, let me check
[12:10] <Churc> crdlb: done
[12:10] <Churc> crdlb: what should I do now?
[12:10] <crdlb> Churc, restart X and that should fix your titlebars
[12:10] <Churc> crdlb: thanks, brb
[12:10] <vio> CTRL+ALT+Backspace ^^,
[12:11] <vio> crdlb: do you know anything about manual control over the cpu?
[12:11] <vio> i have 4 steps from 800mhz to 2000mhz
[12:11] <vio> on my laptop
[12:11] <elubie> dystopianray: I have the newest restricted modules: linxu-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15
[12:11] <crdlb> vio, what do you want to do?
[12:11] <Churc> it's working!!
[12:11] <dystopianray> elubie: I'm not sure how to solve your problem
[12:12] <Churc> oh god, thanks guys!
[12:12] <vio> crdlb: manual control, use 800mhz when it suits me, and otherwise use higher step for more cpu requireing processes
[12:12] <vio> got a pretty decent computer, and the prob. is that
[12:13] <vio> it allways is over 800mhz and makes lots of noise..
[12:13] <gortiz> vio, you can build some scripts that automatically write in the terminal the commands for cpufreqselector
[12:13] <thesilentw> hello everyone, finnally its fixed, but still, have a problem on xserver, error : failed to load "wfb" (module does not exist,0) anyone can help me ? thx in advance
[12:13] <vio> im a newbie.. don't really know "how to"
[12:13] <elubie> dystopianray: np, if nothing helps I'll do a complete reinstall, just installed on thursday, so not much stuff on there yet
[12:14] <crdlb> on gentoo at least I set cpufreq to use the "conservative" governor
[12:14] <elubie> dystopiaray: or I might wait till official release, last night's kernel problems reduced my desire to try out the newest ;)
[12:14] <vio> dont have gentoo installed
[12:14] <gortiz> ok vio, on terminal you can type: sudo cpufreqselector -g <governor>
[12:14] <rambo3_> !leet dont have gentoo installed
[12:15] <gortiz> where <governor> is conservative or ondemand or performance or powersave
[12:15] <vio> ok
[12:15] <crdlb> conservative is a good choice
[12:15] <rambo3_> !leet <dont have gentoo installed>
[12:15] <vio> its ondemand now.. and that sux
[12:15] <vio> ^^
[12:15] <crdlb> because it smoothly scales between them
[12:15] <dystopianray> I've also had wierd issues with conservative, where it'll get stuck at the lowest frequency
[12:15] <dystopianray> I've always, rather
[12:15] <gortiz> if you want to usa a governor or you can type: cpufreqselector -f <frequence>
[12:16] <gortiz> where <frequence> is the frequence of the step that you wish to use..
[12:16] <vio> sudo cpufreqselector -g <governor>
[12:16] <chrisbudden14> hey, last couple of times I have tried to hibernate using uswsusp, it has sucessfully hibernated and resumed, but when it gets to the latter stage, the screen goes blank and I cannot do anyting, though I think i did hear a skype sound
[12:16] <vio> sudo: cpufreqselector: command not found
[12:16] <crdlb> isn't there an applet too?
[12:16] <vio> crdlb:  there used to be 1 a few years back
[12:16] <crzyboon> Hi, has anyone experienced problems with networking since installing feisty?
[12:16] <gortiz> vio, i use powersave when i'm on battery and conservative in the other cases..
[12:16] <vio> gortiz: what is the command to enable powersave?
[12:17] <crzyboon> I had it going perfectly without a problem (i share internet over windows ICS on my home network) and then after making some tweaks to samba it stopped working altogether
[12:17] <gortiz> vio, sorry is sudo cpufreq-selector
[12:17] <thesilentw> hello everyone, finnally its fixed, but still, have a problem on xserver, error : failed to load "wfb" (module does not exist,0) anyone can help me ? thx in advance
[12:17] <gortiz> with -
[12:17] <vio> gortiz: thanks i'll give it a try :)
[12:17] <Enselic> I am installing 7.04 beta amd64 on a new machine, but the live CD doesn't show the desktop, but the 6.10 AMD64 does. Has this to do with what is mentinoed in the topic?
[12:17] <dystopianray> Enselic: no
[12:18] <dystopianray> Enselic: what video card do you have?
[12:18] <vio> sweeeeeeeeeeeeeT
[12:18] <Enselic> dystopianray: nVidia GeForce 6100 iirc
[12:18] <vio> thanks alot :)
[12:18] <shirish> guys anybody has any updates when RC is gonna come?
[12:18] <vio> it works perfect with "800mhz" ^^,
[12:19] <vio> oh yeah.. is there a way to enable AA in compiz?
[12:19] <Enselic> dystopianray: when supplying vga=711 on the boot line it seems to work though, hmm
[12:19] <shirish> when the RC build is gonna come?
[12:19] <dystopianray> shirish: we don't know
[12:19] <shirish> ok thnx
[12:20] <vio> does there exsist AA on compiz?
[12:20] <vio> pardon my bad english
[12:20] <crzyboon> anyone? :P isnt there some cmd like dpkg-reconfigure xxx that i can use for networking?
[12:21] <rambo3_> yeah no
[12:22] <rambo3_> ifconfig
[12:22] <dystopianray> crzyboon: undo the changes you made to samba
[12:22] <Hidan> shirish: yo
[12:22] <shirish> hi Hidan
[12:23] <shirish> did u get the -15.25 update
[12:23] <crzyboon> dystopianray, oh bother- then I'd have no samba. what exactly do you suppose I might have done wrong in smb.conf?
[12:23] <dystopianray> crzyboon: I have no idea what you put in there
[12:23] <Hidan> shirish wow, so far... no more system freezes... so it's def the psu
[12:24] <gortiz> vio, the AA isn't enabled in compiz you have to enable on xorg.. but i do not remember what is the option that you have to insert in xorg.conf
[12:24] <crzyboon> Ah, not a psychic eh? well, too bad- cause I can't paste the file right now- but i could try what you're suggesting- seems the only logical thing to do at this point
[12:24] <shirish> glad to know that ur problems are solved
[12:24] <vio> gortiz: ok :(
[12:25] <crzyboon> and rambo3_ : were you suggesting earlier that i run `dpkg-reconfigure ifconfig`? or was that for smeone else?
[12:25] <Trewas> vio: if you mean full-screen antialiasing (FSAA) I think it should be enabled with nvidia-settings (assuming you have nvidia card, it's driver/card specific setting anyway)
[12:26] <rambo3_> crzyboon, no just ifconfig , ifconfig --help or man ifconfig
[12:26] <Hidan> shirish yesh
[12:26] <thesilentw> hello everyone, finnally its fixed, but still, have a problem on xserver, error : failed to load "wfb" (module does not exist,0) anyone can help me ? thx in advance
[12:27] <vio> Trewas: i don't have an nvidia card, i got rv350 (9600) with oc'ed to 9700 stock by acer, with aiglx..
[12:27] <Hidan> shirish meanwhile i'm fooling around with compiz but... i think i'm getting bored with it.
[12:27] <shirish> Hidan: in the process of updating that one, some other updates also, desperate to see the RC build as soon as it comes, because the final build would be a week after that
[12:27] <rambo3_> thekorn, if it doesnt exit remove it
[12:27] <shirish> I tried desktop effects for a while, its cool but not for everyday experience.
[12:28] <thesilentw> hello everyone, finnally its fixed, but still, have a problem on xserver, error : failed to load "wfb" (module does not exist,0) anyone can help me ? (using nvidia-glx-new updated 30 minutes ago) thx in advance
[12:28] <Hidan> shirish hell yeah... i'm totally happy with Feisty right now and if the latest updates can solve some more issues, why not. ;p When i first installed Feisty, everything was super laggy.
[12:28] <rambo3_> thesilentw, do you have  Load    "wfb" in xorg.conf?
[12:29] <thesilentw> let me check
[12:29] <Hidan> shirish oh well i'm going to try some themes
[12:29] <rambo3_> thesilentw, or just dont use Frambuffer
[12:29] <rambo3_> and that was just a guess
[12:29] <thesilentw> i didnt had... but put and now gives 2 errors of wfb
[12:30] <shirish> guys are there multi-threaded software, kernels in Ubuntu or linux in general?
[12:30] <thesilentw> frambuffer ?
[12:31] <vio> xgl as a little to buggy for me with beryl so i switched to aiglx
[12:31] <dystopianray> shirish: the default ubuntu kernel supports smp
[12:31] <vio> and compiz..
[12:31] <Tomg> shirish: yea the kernel should be dual core out of th box
[12:31] <rambo3_> thesilentw, its some wierd nvidia stuff , do you have all nvidia junk there ?
[12:31] <thesilentw> i think so
[12:31] <shirish> dystopianray: Tomg: does the logic extends to 4 core as well?
[12:31] <thesilentw> i am new to linux
[12:31] <dystopianray> shirish: yes
[12:32] <thesilentw> dont expect much detailed feedback
[12:32] <dystopianray> shirish: right up to 255 cpus
[12:32] <shirish> wow, big way to go there lol :p
[12:32] <thesilentw> rambo3_ i did a sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[12:32] <shirish> what about in applications, anything on multi-threaded applications?
[12:32] <rambo3_> thesilentw, i dont have nvidia maby somone else knows. if you have missplaced modules then you need to add $PATH of those libs to ldconfig . but that just longer solution or just ask somone who has nvidia
[12:33] <dystopianray> shirish: what applicationds do you need to be multithreaded?
[12:33] <thesilentw> ok
[12:33] <thesilentw> thx for the help
[12:34] <shirish> I do not know, I just read somewhere that applications need to be multi-threaded also in order to gain from additional cores
[12:34] <shirish> dystopianray:  I do not know, I just read somewhere that applications need to be multi-threaded also in order to gain from additional cores
[12:35] <shirish> ok brb guys, need to restart the system
[12:37] <thesilentw> whats the command to configure x server auto ?
[12:37] <Rytmis> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[12:38] <Rytmis> Not sure if that's what you're looking for :)
[12:43] <thesilentw> rytmis, that command didnt fix :(
[12:43] <Thib_G> hello, I haven't sound output at all since the 2.6.20-14 kernel. I have sound input, though
[12:44] <dystopianray> Thib_G: intel hda audio?
[12:44] <Thib_G> My audio chipset is a HDA Intel
[12:44] <thesilentw> thib_g update to 15
[12:44] <Thib_G> I'm on the 2.6.20-15, now, but it isn't fixed
[12:44] <thesilentw> :(
[12:45] <thesilentw> dont know, i am new xD
[12:45] <rambo3_> Thib_G, how do you know its no muted
[12:45] <Thib_G> dystopianray: yes
[12:45] <thesilentw> hello everyone, finnally its fixed, but still, have a problem on xserver, error : failed to load "wfb" (module does not exist,0) anyone can help me ? (using nvidia-glx-new updated 30 minutes ago) thx in advance
[12:45] <Thib_G> rambo3_: I've checked several times, and it worked fine with the 2.6.20-13 kernel
[12:46] <Thib_G> dystopianray: any fix ?
[12:46] <dystopianray> Thib_G: not that I know of
[12:47] <Thib_G> erf ok :(
[12:47] <RainCT> I've updated Feisty (without the new kernel image) and desktop-effects activated. When I change the workspace to any other than de first one, all panels disappear (I can return to 1 with Ctrl + Alt + <--), but yesterday it was working. Anybody knows what it can be?
[12:47] <shirish> guys how do I install java6?
[12:47] <rambo3_> shirish, its in restricted formats
[12:47] <Thib_G> RainCT: I think the last kernel image is safe
[12:48] <rambo3_> !restricted
[12:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:48] <RainCT> Thib_G: this one linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic?
[12:48] <dystopianray> shirish: jre or jdk?
[12:49] <Thib_G> RainCT: no, linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[12:49] <shirish> dystopianray: jre, just the runtime for sites & stuff no development stuff
[12:50] <Thib_G> Hmm... there is a launchpad entry for HDA Intel issue... but its severity is "undecided"...
[12:50] <thesilentw> thib_g still, not fixed .(
[12:50] <dystopianray> shirish: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[12:50] <shirish> dystopianray: right, cool thnx
[12:50] <rambo3_> Thib_G, then do a manual config
[12:51] <shirish> dystopianray: btw, isnt java6 now GPLed or something or its still supposed to be restricted format?
[12:51] <Thib_G> rambo3_: ?
[12:51] <dystopianray> shirish: it is not yet GPL
[12:52] <shirish> dystopianray: hmm.... I did read somewhere that Sun changed the licensing somewhat to better appeal to the community
[12:52] <dystopianray> shirish: yes sun will release a GPL java, but not yet
[12:52] <rambo3_> Thib_G, http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=ICH+southbridge+HD-audio+and+modem.&chip=ICH6%2C+ICH6M%2C+ICH7%2C+ESB2&module=hda-intel
[12:52] <shirish> dystopianray: ok cool, thnx for the update
[12:53] <shirish> btw guys, what is tht command to get version signature of the kernel?
[12:53] <Thib_G> rambo3_: ok, but I'll have to compile it for each kernel upgrade
[12:53] <Tom_g> anyone know of a good, free, fps for linux?
[12:53] <rambo3_> Thib_G, no?
[12:53] <rambo3_> just configs not driver
[12:53] <thesilentw> tom_g americas army
[12:54] <shirish> Tom_g: there was a good article on gaming in free software magazine, it said something about another fps also
[12:54] <dystopianray> Tom_g: shareware doom
[12:54] <Thib_G> I've tried to specify the model, but it didn't work
[12:54] <rambo3_> its the same driver you have now , /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base is just a bunch of guessing procedures for all sound cards .
[12:54] <thesilentw> tom_g americas army, rtcw et
[12:54] <dystopianray> Tom_g: shareware quake
[12:54] <Tom_g> thanks ppl :D time 2 get fragging :D
[12:55] <thesilentw> hello everyone, finnally its fixed, but still, have a problem on xserver, error : failed to load "wfb" (module does not exist,0) anyone can help me ? (using nvidia-glx-new updated 30 minutes ago) thx in advance
[12:55] <dystopianray> thesilentw: what is wfb?
[12:55] <thesilentw> dont know
[12:57] <Rytmis> thesilentw: Why don't you remove it then?
[12:57] <thesilentw> how ?~
[12:57] <thesilentw> it isnt in the modules section
[12:58] <dystopianray> thesilentw: is it anywhere in your xorg.conf?
[12:58] <thesilentw> cant seem to find it
[12:58] <Rytmis> grep -i wfb /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:58] <Ng> is kvm supposed to be uninstallable atm?
[12:58] <Toaster^> are there problems with nvidia drivers?
[12:59] <thesilentw> same error rytmis
[12:59] <RainCT> Thib_G: ok, so the new kernel stuff is working?
[12:59] <Churc> crdlb: still there?
[12:59] <Rytmis> thesilentw: that was supposed to tell you if wfb was mentioned in xorg.conf
[01:00] <thesilentw> did say anything
[01:00] <thesilentw> didnt
[01:00] <nbound> RainCT, for the most part... yes
[01:01] <dystopianray> thesilentw: what video card driver are you using?
[01:01] <nbound> some people still have trouble on the new kernel too :(
[01:01] <Churc> anyone knows why I have only one workspace? (i've got desktop effects enabled)
[01:01] <thesilentw> nvidia-glx-new
[01:01] <shirish> guys what command should I use in order to see which version of kernel I am using, uname -r just shows 2.6.20-15 generic & nothing else
[01:01] <Churc> although the cube is enabled but i can't use it because I have only one workspace.
[01:01] <dystopianray> shirish: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[01:02] <RainCT> nbound: ok thx
[01:02] <thesilentw> dystopianray nvidia-glx-new
[01:02] <Rytmis> Churc: install gnome-compiz-preferences and set the number of desktops there
[01:02] <shirish> dystopianray: that shows me 3, what I want is the command which will show the one I am running atm
[01:02] <Rytmis> Churc: or gnome-compiz-manager, not sure about the package name
[01:03] <dystopianray> shirish: it should only show one 2.6.20-15 kernel
[01:03] <Churc> Rytmis: well, if someone knows he can tell me :)
[01:03] <Rytmis> Churc: but the app is gnome-compiz-preferences in any case. Or you could just stab the GConf settings by hand, but I bet the prefs application is a wee bit easier to use :)
[01:03] <shirish> dystopianray: nope, here it shows 2.6.20-12 , 2.6.20-14, 2.6.20-15
[01:03] <Rytmis> Churc: sudo apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager
[01:03] <dystopianray> thesilentw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/96600
[01:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 96600 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "after upgrade NVidia driver stoped working with following error: Failed to load module "wfb" (module does not exist, 0) (dup-of: 98641)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "NVidia driver missing libwfb" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:04] <Churc> Rytmis: ah, ok
[01:04] <dystopianray> shirish: are you sure you're looking at the right column?
[01:04] <thesilentw> dystopianray ok ok, so how i fix it ?
[01:04] <dystopianray> thesilentw: I don't know
[01:05] <Toaster^> "sudo modprobe nvidia" gives me: FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[01:05] <Xteven> what's a 403 in the kernel ?
[01:05] <shirish> dystopianray: what I am saying is the command throws up 3 kernels, while I have actually removed 2.6.20-14, confused?
[01:05] <dystopianray> Xteven: http error, 403 Forbidden
[01:06] <dystopianray> shirish: uname -r says you're running 2.6.20-15, dpkg -l | grep linux-image will tell you which specific version of that you have
[01:06] <shirish> dystopianray: from Synaptic gave fully remove 2.6.20-14 but still somethings have been left behind it seems
[01:06] <Xteven> dystopianray: but what does it mean in the kernel ? (topic)
[01:06] <shirish> dystopianray: yup that I got, but why do I still have 2.6.20-14?
[01:06] <thesilentw> Toaster^ same for me
[01:07] <FOAD> Hey. Trying to get the newest update to work, I get that wfb thing, too, now.
[01:07] <dystopianray> Xteven: a kernel broke and was disallowed from being downloaded, so people were getting 403 errors
[01:07] <dystopianray> shirish: I do not know
[01:07] <dystopianray> shirish:  you probably didn't uninstall it
[01:07] <Churc> Rytmis: its installed, what should I do now?
[01:07] <sohum> dystopianray: my prob from yesterday is still here
[01:07] <dystopianray> sohum: what problem is that?
[01:07] <sohum> some time after i boot, all root processes hang
[01:07] <FOAD> Also, I can't start X.
[01:07] <Xteven> dystopianray: oh :) I see
[01:07] <Toaster^> thesilentw :\ are you able to set your resoloution higher than 1024x768?
[01:07] <sohum> my network connection managed by Netwrokmanager hangs
[01:08] <FOAD> nvidia kernel not found?
[01:08] <FOAD> Help?
[01:08] <sohum> my system monitor applet hangs
[01:08] <sohum> and any commands i run with sudo hang
[01:08] <cypherdelic> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[01:08] <cypherdelic>   computertemp: Hngt ab: python (< 2.5) aber 2.5.1~rc1-0ubuntu3 soll installiert werden
[01:08] <cypherdelic> E: Kaputte Pakete
[01:08] <sohum> FOAD: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:08] <fenrig> hi
[01:09] <sohum> FOAD: change nvidia, in the Display section, to nv
[01:09] <fenrig> 2.6.20-15.25 fixes these
[01:09] <dystopianray> sohum: does sudo give an error?
[01:09] <sohum> dystopianray: no, just hangs
[01:09] <fenrig> where can I get 2.6.20-15.25?
[01:09] <cypherdelic> I cant install Gnome Temperature Applet
[01:09] <sohum> dystopianray: sudo <anything>
[01:09] <cypherdelic>   computertemp: Hngt ab: python (< 2.5) aber 2.5.1~rc1-0ubuntu3 soll installiert werden
[01:09] <FOAD> sohum: but that's a bit of a downgrade?
[01:09] <sohum> dystopianray: it just sits there
[01:09] <FOAD> Or no?
[01:09] <shirish> dystopianray: curious, was there also a 2.6.20-15.14 also?
[01:09] <dystopianray> sohum: hrrm I have no idea what could be causing your problem
[01:10] <sohum> FOAD: for now, yess, while your nvidia kernel and X are out of sync
[01:10] <Churc> Rytmis: its in gconf-editor
[01:10] <dystopianray> shirish: no
[01:10] <FOAD> kapeesh
[01:10] <thesilentw> Toaster^ no, cant startx, no wfb loaded
[01:10] <sohum> FOAD: eventually they get back in sync
[01:10] <shirish> strange: its showing that one
[01:10] <sohum> FOAD: usually in a day
[01:10] <Toaster^> is it possible to get X to run in 1280x1024 running the nv?
[01:10] <FOAD> Thanks, gonna try it now. :)
[01:10] <sohum> FOAD: dist-upgrade to get back in sync
[01:10] <Toaster^> thesilentw: change to nv, u too..think that will help :)
[01:10] <thesilentw> ok
[01:11] <sohum> does anyone know what miht be causing my root processes to hang?
[01:11] <thesilentw> Toaster^ now loads, but the screen is all messed up
[01:12] <thesilentw> cant see anything
[01:13] <shirish> dystopianray: plese see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15527/
[01:13] <Toaster^> thesilentw: messed up like..bar res? all black? weird colors?
[01:14] <Toaster^> *bad res
[01:14] <thesilentw> bad res
[01:14] <dystopianray> shirish: what is the problem?
[01:14] <thesilentw> like the live cd without safe mode option selected
[01:14] <Toaster^> what res do you got? 1024?
[01:14] <thesilentw> 1280
[01:15] <Churc> Rytmis: i don't see nothing about workspaces in gconf-editor --> compiz
[01:15] <Toaster^> lucky you, I only get 1024 :P
[01:16] <shirish> dystopianray: there is no problem, just the last entry in the paste, it shows  linux-image-generic 2.6.20.15.14 where u said that there was no kernel by that no.
[01:16] <dystopianray> shirish: that is just a meta package
[01:16] <thesilentw> ~whats the path to xorg.config ?
[01:16] <dystopianray> thesilentw: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:16] <Rytmis> Churc: did you get gnome-compiz-preferences ?
[01:16] <shirish> dystopianray: ah ok, so nothing to worry about
[01:17] <Rytmis> I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be in the gnome-compiz-manager package
[01:17] <dystopianray> shirish: your pastebin is normal, you have a 2.6.20-12 and a 2.6.20-15 kernel
[01:18] <shirish> dystopianray: thanx, I removed the 2.6.20-14 kernel although some modules directory got left behind I think
[01:18] <Rytmis> Churc: Anyway, the related setting seems to be /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/hsize
[01:18] <shirish> dystopianray: any idea where I should look for info. what I have un-installed, is there a log somewhere?
[01:18] <Churc> Rytmis: ok, let me see
[01:19] <dystopianray> shirish: maybe /var/log/dpkg.log
[01:19] <Churc> Rytmis: where do I find that?
[01:19] <Toaster^> what is the "release date" of feisty?
[01:20] <mc44> when its readu
[01:20] <mc44> or the 19th
[01:20] <mc44> whichever comes later
[01:20] <Rytmis> Churc: open gconf-editor
[01:20] <dystopianray> Toaster^: the RC is not yet out, so it'll likely be delayed
[01:20] <Rytmis> Churc: Churc then open the apps node, then compiz etc
[01:21] <cypherdelic> My Wifi-Radar doesnt work properly
[01:21] <cypherdelic> i see all the wlans
[01:21] <cypherdelic> i cant click on disconnect nothing happens (but is showning conected to none)
[01:21] <cypherdelic> i cant edit any wlan
[01:22] <Churc> Rytmis: its working..
[01:22] <cypherdelic> connect doesnt appear
[01:22] <Rytmis> Churc: Did you find the setting and change it?
[01:22] <Churc> Rytmis: yes, to 4
[01:22] <Churc> Rytmis: this is the default to compiz, right?
[01:22] <Churc> Rytmis: with the cube and so on.
[01:22] <Rytmis> Churc: I suppose. I don't really know the internals of compiz :)
[01:23] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: have you tried using network-manager?
[01:23] <Churc> Rytmis: i also changed the number_of_desktops to 4
[01:23] <Churc> Rytmis: the hsize is set to 4
[01:23] <Churc> Rytmis: should I change the vsize to 4 also/
[01:25] <cypherdelic> yes thats didnt worked ever for me, i reinstalled today, before wifi-radar was working perfect
[01:25] <cypherdelic> dystopianray:
[01:25] <Churc> Rytmis: I change something there, seems its working
[01:25] <Churc> Rytmis: thank you
[01:25] <Rytmis> Churc: Vsize would be the vertical size, you don't need to touch that.
[01:25] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: is wifi-radar somehow conflicting with network-manager?
[01:26] <cypherdelic> dystopianray: why does wifi-radar shows me my LAN-Ip??
[01:26] <Rytmis> Churc: glad it's working, but you should really rather use gnome-compiz-preferences than gconf-editor to change those things :)
[01:26] <Churc> Rytmis: sure
[01:26] <cypherdelic> dystopianray: i deactivated wlan in network-manager
[01:26] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: the ip of your wired nic?
[01:26] <Churc> Rytmis: ah, but I don't know where is installed.
[01:26] <cypherdelic> dystopianray:
[01:26] <cypherdelic> dystopianray: yes connected to none (my wired ip)
[01:27] <Chetwin> Is the kernel update issue resolved?
[01:27] <Churc> Rytmis: i'll try to install gnome-compiz-preferences, although I have gnome-compiz-manager installed.
[01:27] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: no idea, i've never used wifi-radar
[01:27] <dystopianray> Chetwin: should be as of 2.6.20-15.25
[01:28] <Chetwin> It says upgrade to 2.6.20.15.14
[01:28] <Toaster^> I added "1280x1024" in xorg.conf under "depth 24", but I still cannot chose it in gnome
[01:28] <sohum> ok, i just filed bug 106522
[01:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 106522 in Ubuntu "Root processes hang after computer has been on for a while" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106522
[01:29] <Churc> Rytmis: lol, I don't have such package.
[01:30] <Chetwin> ??
[01:30] <dystopianray> sohum: is there any dmesg output when you get these hangs?
[01:30] <sohum> dytsopianray: not on screen, no, but I'll check the log
[01:30] <sohum> *dystopianray:^
[01:30] <Rytmis> Churc: try typing "gnome-compiz-preferences" on the command line
[01:31] <dystopianray> sohum: what do you mean 'on screen' ? just type 'dmesg'
[01:31] <Rytmis> Churc: I was trying to tell you that I think that the *application* gnome-compiz-preferences is in the *package* gnome-compiz-manager.
[01:31] <sohum> dystopianray: I mean in a terminal window at the time of the hang
[01:31] <dystopianray> sohum: after running 'dmesg' ?
[01:31] <Churc> Rytmis: oh, i've got a window
[01:32] <Churc> Rytmis: but some warnings too, let me paste it
[01:32] <Churc> them
[01:32] <Rytmis> Churc: Er
[01:32] <IndyGunFreak> how do you play wmvs in Feisty?...
[01:32] <Rytmis> Churc: If they're gtk warnings, don't bother :)
[01:32] <sohum> dystopianray: no, normally, because sometimes I do get messages in the terminal window when I haven't done anything to trigger them
[01:32] <Rytmis> Churc: you can prolly safely ignore them :)
[01:32] <dystopianray> sohum: just run 'dmesg' and pastebin the output
[01:33] <Churc> Rytmis: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15534/
[01:33] <sohum> dystopianray: into the bug report?
[01:33] <dystopianray> !pastebin | sohum
[01:33] <ubotu> sohum: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:33] <dystopianray> sohum: just pastebin it and give me the link
[01:33] <dystopianray> IndyGunFreak: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[01:34] <IndyGunFreak> dystopianray, ubuntu..
[01:34] <IndyGunFreak> i figure its probably the same command
[01:34] <dystopianray> IndyGunFreak: hrrm, you should only need to install the same restricted codecs pacakges that you would in edgy
[01:34] <cypherdelic> I have no Connect Button in my Wifi-Radar, please help!
[01:34] <dystopianray> IndyGunFreak: shouldn't need the win32codecs stuff for feisty
[01:34] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, well wmv's don't work, thats for sure.
[01:35] <poningru> cypherdelic: why are you using wifi radar?
[01:35] <dystopianray> IndyGunFreak: do you have the restricted codecs packages installed?
[01:35] <poningru> why not use network manager?
[01:35] <dystopianray> IndyGunFreak: I know in kubuntu, libxine-extracodecs will allow wmv playback
[01:35] <Chetwin> Hey all.  I have the option to upgrade to 2.6.20.15.14.  Should I, or should I wait longer to update???
[01:35] <IndyGunFreak> pretty sure, i can play mp3s, watch dvds, etc.
[01:35] <cypherdelic> because network-manager does not optain any ips
[01:35] <cypherdelic> ponig
[01:35] <cypherdelic> poningru:
[01:35] <shirish> is there anyway to go back to history with part of command?
[01:35] <sohum> dystopianray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15535/
[01:36] <poningru> cypherdelic: buhh?
[01:36] <poningru> cypherdelic: ok lets figure out why that is so
[01:36] <cypherdelic> network does not work for me
[01:36] <IndyGunFreak> dystopianray, just checked synaptic, that package is installed.
[01:36] <cypherdelic> i hava a wlan
[01:36] <dystopianray> sohum: hrrm looks normal
[01:36] <sohum> dystopianray: this is after rebooting the computer, btw
[01:36] <cypherdelic> i see it
[01:36] <shirish> for e.g. if I used cat as the start of the command, then it filters it through the history?
[01:36] <cypherdelic> i can connect with my key
[01:36] <Chetwin> Hey all.  I have the option to upgrade to 2.6.20.15.14.  Should I, or should I wait longer to update???
[01:36] <dystopianray> IndyGunFreak: gnome media players wouldn't be using xine though
[01:36] <cypherdelic> doesnt optain a ip
[01:36] <cypherdelic> if i try manual
[01:36] <cypherdelic> i can ping the router
[01:36] <dystopianray> Chetwin: that should be fine
[01:36] <shirish> Chetwin: update
[01:36] <cypherdelic> but cant acces other clients
[01:36] <Chetwin> thank you
[01:37] <poningru> cypherdelic: in your network admin do you have roaming mode enabled for all your interfaces?
[01:37] <dystopianray> shirish: grep ^cat ~/.bash_history
[01:37] <IndyGunFreak> dystopianray, well, i generally use vlc...
[01:37] <dystopianray> IndyGunFreak: I don't know anything about vlc
[01:37] <IndyGunFreak> dystopianray, , ok no pro
[01:37] <cypherdelic> poningru: no deactivated roaming and configured my wlan
[01:37] <IndyGunFreak> prob
[01:37] <poningru> cypherdelic: with the roaming that happens?
[01:37] <poningru> what kinda encryption is this?
[01:37] <poningru> what chipset is this?
[01:37] <cypherdelic> no WITHOUT
[01:37] <fenrig> are u guys still fixing the new kernel the .... .15.24
[01:38] <fenrig> i mean
[01:38] <dandel> 0o no kidding about feisty broke my mob :/
[01:38] <dystopianray> fenrig: 2.6.20-15.25 is available now
[01:38] <poningru> fenrig: that should work now
[01:38] <fenrig> no its not available
[01:38] <dystopianray> dandel: feisty broke your motherboard?
[01:38] <sohum> dystopianray: i jsut install 2.6.20-15.25
[01:38] <dandel> it broke on booting with sata enabled.
[01:38] <fenrig> i cant find it
[01:38] <poningru> fenrig: I just installed it
[01:38] <shirish> fenrig: it has been available for quite some time now
[01:38] <poningru> fenrig: do a apt-get update
[01:39] <poningru> cypherdelic: what chipset is this?
[01:39] <Churc> Rytmis: there is something bad with those warnings?
[01:39] <fenrig> wait
[01:39] <poningru> Churc: sorry what warning?
[01:39] <Rytmis> Churc: nope
[01:40] <Churc> Rytmis: ok, thanks a lot!
[01:40] <sohum> dystopianray: i'm going to reboot now, and hope that nothing happens. If my hanging prob happens again, I'll save the dmesg output and paste it. Anything else you want me to do if and when it happens/?
[01:40] <dandel> dystonianray, how do i fix it because i added a new hd since my fresh install and i can't find the disk management tool that was in 6.06.
[01:41] <poningru> dandel: hehe yeah it was taken out
[01:41] <dystopianray> sohum: the dmesg output was useless, it showed nothing out of the ordinary
[01:41] <dystopianray> dandel: what is the problem exactly?
[01:41] <poningru> sohum: can you get the klog?
[01:41] <sohum> dystopianray: yea, but doesn't dmesg reset evry time you start up the computer?
[01:42] <sohum> poningru: klog?
[01:42] <dandel> i just did a update/upgrade and well i was forced to disable sata just to get ubuntu to boot.
[01:42] <poningru> under /var/log
[01:42] <poningru> its the kernel log
[01:42] <poningru> if your computer is hanging then need that
[01:42] <elubie> In case I get this working, for NVIDIA Quadro FX1500, should I install nvidia-glx or go for nvidia-glx-new?
[01:42] <poningru> also can you update to the latest kernel?
[01:42] <poningru> .15
[01:42] <dystopianray> sohum: oh, I wanted dmesg output from when it hangs
[01:42] <poningru> elubie: why are you not using the restricted manager?
[01:43] <dandel> i know that it hangs when sata is enabled just after it initializes the sata reader... for some reason... worked in the previous kernel.
[01:43] <dystopianray> elubie: either should work
[01:43] <dystopianray> dandel: what kernel?
[01:43] <sohum> dystopianray, poningru: ok, i'll grab a copy of dmesg and kern.log when it hangs and paste it
[01:43] <elubie> dystropianray: thanks
[01:43] <dandel> 2.6.20-15
[01:43] <dandel> i got it last night.
[01:43] <dystopianray> dandel: 2.6.20-15.25 ?
[01:44] <sohum> dystopianray, poningru: rebooting into 15-25 now...
[01:44] <dandel> not sure.
[01:44] <dystopianray> dandel: well check
[01:44] <poningru> sohum: gl
[01:44] <Churc> Rytmis: one more question, what means Super-key?
[01:44] <Tm_T> Churc: ctrl?
[01:44] <dandel> there was some update 0o
[01:45] <Churc> Tm_T: ctrl means Super-key?
[01:45] <shirish> dystopianray: can u look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2451633#post2451633 and tell me if you know anyway how I can accomplish that?
[01:45] <Tm_T> Churc: or was it windowkey can't remember
[01:45] <Churc> Tm_T: no, it isn't. take a look here http://docs.mypclinuxos.com/index.php?title=Compiz_Commands
[01:47] <Churc> Water = Hold Ctrl+Super key, and move mouse
[01:47] <Churc> what means Super Key?
[01:47] <dystopianray> Churc: the super key is the windows key
[01:47] <Churc> dystopianray: ahh
[01:48] <Churc> dystopianray: its not working...
[01:48] <shirish> guys can the super key be used as in superkey+e for nautilus ?
[01:48] <dystopianray> shirish: I think there were some patches or something floating around that did that
[01:48] <dandel> dystopianray, yea i didn't have the 2.6.20-15.25 lol.
[01:49] <dandel> the current updater is installing it.
[01:49] <shirish> dystopianray: are u talking about my post in the ubuntuforums or for the keyboard shortcut mapping?
[01:49] <Tm_T> shirish: I heard Nautilus had some issues with superkey, but in KDE it works just fine
[01:49] <dystopianray> shirish: the history thing
[01:49] <dystopianray> shirish: http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=83
[01:49] <shirish> dystopianray: ah ok, any directions for that if u can, what I need to search for
[01:50] <Churc> dystopianray: the Super Key is that key with the windows logo on it?
[01:50] <dystopianray> Churc: yes
[01:50] <dystopianray> Churc: or the apple key on a mac
[01:51] <Churc> dystopianray: sure
[01:51] <dystopianray> Churc: yes I am sure
[01:59] <cypherdelic> Where to download xwinwrap? That link doesnt work: http://www.4shared.com/dir/305133/7c8d7b95/sharing.html
[02:00] <goldenear> I just upgraded to feisty but my audio (intel HDA doesn't work anymore...
[02:01] <goldenear> many bugs about it seems to have been reported and are said to be fixed
[02:01] <dystopianray> goldenear: lots of people are having that problem
[02:01] <Thib_G> goldenear: I've the same problem
[02:01] <dystopianray> goldenear: apparently if you turn the volume up you can hear crackling
[02:01] <dystopianray> goldenear: and input should still work
[02:01] <Thib_G> I confirm, input works fine
[02:01] <goldenear> has the problem been identified ?
[02:02] <dystopianray> goldenear: not that I know of
[02:04] <goldenear> indeed audio input works well... I can record my voice (and see the waveform)
[02:04] <Thib_G> This problem is quite odd, and has be known for a couple of days
[02:04] <dandel> dystopianray, yea, that fixed it, but i need to find some tool that'll work with the uuid's and allow me to redo my fstab using the new setup.
[02:04] <elubie> dystopianray: many thanks for helping, now binary drivers work. I did a clean reinstall from CD then got all the updates, then installed binary driver.
[02:05] <elubie> dystopianray: with the successive updates and yesterday's kernel problems something must have messed up, but I'm happy it's working now
[02:06] <sohum> dystopianray: -15 seems to work fine, *touch wood* the hanging doesn't seem to be happening
[02:07] <goldenear> I'm upgrading the kernel. I hope the audio bug is fixed :)
[02:07] <dystopianray_> goldenear: it's not
[02:07] <Thib_G> goldenear: it's not
[02:07] <dandel> sohum,  you must have the new one, because i had to do another upgrade to fix mine.
[02:07] <goldenear> arf
[02:08] <kane77> what audio bug?
[02:08] <Thib_G> HDA Intel output
[02:08] <sohum> dystopianray: oh, and while I'm here, an update back a bit broke my uuids, and i edited my fstab to use the /dev addresses. I know uuids are better solutions, so how do I find the uuid of my /dev/sda3 and 5s?
[02:08] <buz_> how does that audio bug manifest?
[02:08] <sohum> dandel: you're right, i meant 15-25
[02:09] <dystopianray_> sohum: are they ext3 filesystems?
[02:09] <rambo3_> bulkid
[02:09] <Thib_G> there is absolutly none audi output on HDA Intel soundcards since the -14 kernel
[02:09] <sohum> dandel: did you have the root processes hanging as well?
[02:09] <dandel> hmm.
[02:09] <buz_> ah good thing i have no HDA then ;)
[02:09] <sohum> dystopianray_: no, ntfs, using ntfs-3g
[02:09] <goldenear> dystopianray_,  dandel : are you talking about 2.6.20-15.25 ?
[02:09] <dystopianray_> sohum: ntfs has no UUID
[02:09] <dandel> now i have it... i had 1 revision b4 that though when sata caused the hang.
[02:10] <sohum> dystopianray_: oh. they used to have uuids, and work with them, i think...
[02:10] <buz_> dystopianray: actually, mine does
[02:10] <Thib_G> goldenear: 2.6.20-15.25 fixes 2.6.20-15 SATA issue
[02:10] <rambo3_> blkid in terminal then
[02:10] <buz_> UUID=D8E4E7B0E4E78F56 /media/sda1     ntfs
[02:10] <dandel> 2.6.20-15.24 hung when i had my sata enabled.
[02:10] <dystopianray_> ah cool, i thought ntfs had no uuid
[02:10] <cypherdelic> Where to download xwinwrap? That link doesnt work: http://www.4shared.com/dir/305133/7c8d7b95/sharing.html
[02:11] <dandel> rambo3_ thanks, now i can umm fix my fstab lol.
[02:12] <Thib_G> hopefully it'll be fixed in a few days
[02:15] <dandel> i'll bbl... gonna reboot to see if i fixed my fstab lol.
[02:15] <sohum> dandel
[02:15] <dandel> 0o yea, sohum?
[02:15] <sohum> dandel: what did you use to check your uuids?
[02:16] <steven_> hi
[02:16] <dandel> i gotta reboot to have it take full effect, but i should be golden now lol.
[02:16] <steven_> after upgrading to feisty fawn, after each kernel update (when menu.lst is regenerated), i find two entries one generic and one 386, plus i have to manually change hd(0,0) to hd(0,4) and root=/dev/mapper/sdc5 to /dev/sdb5 ... is possible to fix this?
[02:17] <dandel> umm.
[02:17] <dandel> steven_, run the command bulkid
[02:17] <dandel> look for the uuid associated with /dev/sdb5
[02:17] <steven_> if i look to the console while booting (alt+F1) i see an error md: no entries deifned in config file or something similar (i've no raid arrays)
[02:17] <sohum> dandel: command not found
[02:17] <steven_> bash: bulkid: command not found
[02:18] <balster_neb> hi, sorry if this has been asked before, but enabling desktop effects on feisty makes the window titlebars and borders disappear
[02:18] <sohum> dandel: an aptitude search doesn't find it either
[02:18] <Thib_G> you can use vol_id instead
[02:18] <sohum> balster_neb: right hardware? right layer (xgl, ati, nvidia, aiglx)?
[02:18] <dandel> hmm... sohum, your using feisty right?
[02:18] <dystopianray> steven_: it's blkid
[02:19] <sohum> dandel: yep
[02:19] <steven_> ID_FS_UUID=42926cd5-bf9b-4a5c-943b-b0a61f853c97
[02:19] <sohum> dandel: dystopianray's got it
[02:19] <balster_neb> sohum: I'm using nvidia, with the nvidia driver
[02:19] <dandel> ok, well, sohum, just set ROOT= to whatever the FS UUID is.
[02:19] <balster_neb> as for the layer, feisty defaults to AIGLX with compiz, right?
[02:19] <Thib_G> balster_neb: try this : http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_nVidia#An_automatic_easy_solution_for_.28almost.29_all_problems
[02:20] <steven_> where?
[02:20] <sohum> dadnel, dystopianray: thanks
[02:20] <dandel> steven_, it's blkid, i was mistaken lol.
[02:20] <balster_neb> thanks Thib_G, I'll try that out
[02:20] <steven_> daniel i found it the id is ID_FS_UUID=42926cd5-bf9b-4a5c-943b-b0a61f853c97
[02:20] <steven_> now?
[02:20] <sohum> dystopianray: you were right, my ntfs drives don't have a uuis
[02:21] <sohum> *uuid
[02:21] <dandel> ahuh... change root to this... ROOT=42926cd5-bf9b-4a5c-943b-b0a61f853c97
[02:21] <dystopianray> sohum: blkid and vol_id don't give one?
[02:21] <sohum> dystopianray: blkid doesn't
[02:21] <dandel> sohum, ntfs gets a uuid.
[02:21] <steven_> daniel, where?.. my problem is that the menu.lst is rewritten with wrong values after each kernel update...
[02:22] <dandel> it just happens to be that it shows the uuid @ /dev/mapper/sd*+
[02:22] <sohum> dystopianray: and vol_id can't open volume
[02:22] <Thib_G> My vfat as a strange UUID, though E8C3-4C5B
[02:22] <Thib_G> sohum: run it as root
[02:22] <sohum> ahha! thanks Thib_G
[02:23] <dandel> hmm... i best reboot lol, that way i can get my fstab the way it was supposed to be lol.
[02:23] <steven_> ...
[02:23] <Stormx2> Folks, how can I view the "open with" handlers directly?
[02:25] <Jed> Hey, i dont have any midi playback in feisty
[02:25] <Thib_G> Jed: install timidity and freepats
[02:25] <Jed> ok, thanks
[02:25] <steven_> what can i do?
[02:26] <dystopianray> Jed: if your soundcard has hardware midi you'll need to load a soundfont
[02:26] <Jed> ok
[02:26] <ijk> I'm running Feisty beta and the nm-applet has stopped working properly. It just states "No network connection". Before it allowed me to choose between different wireless networks. However I am connected since my home network exists in the interfaces-file. Any idea what's wrong and/or how to fix it?
[02:26] <bob_> hello, i have problems with install cd on my laptop, x fails to start and i can't get to root prompt to fix it
[02:26] <sohum> ijk: afaik, networkmanager doesn't cooperate with the interfaces file
[02:26] <dystopianray> ijk: comment/remove any mention of the wireless interface in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:27] <sohum> ijk: ...dystopianray beat me to it
[02:27] <ijk> Okay, will do so then =) Thanks!
[02:27] <dystopianray> Jed: do you have hardware midi? timidity is a software midi synthesizer
[02:27] <sohum> hey dystopianray, have wanted to do this for a while, how do I change a volume name?
[02:27] <Jed> this is probably a bit off topic but can anyone recommend an alternative for sibelius for feisty?
[02:27] <dystopianray> sohum: what filesystem?
[02:28] <Jed> btw i do have hardware mid but im just looking for the easiest option at the moment
[02:28] <sohum> dystopianray" ntfs
[02:28] <dystopianray> sohum: oh, i don't know, there is probalby something in ntfsprogs that can do it
[02:28] <sohum> dystopianray: thanks
[02:28] <FOAD> ntfslabel
[02:28] <sohum> yea, just found it, thanks FOAD ;)
[02:29] <steven_> after each update of the kernel menu.lst file is rewritten with wrong values, hd(0,0) instead of hd(0,4) and root=/dev/mapper/sdc5 instead of /dev/sdb5.. what can i do?
[02:29] <Hidan> mmmm can anyone recommend a good archiving program with GUI? so far i've found something called Kdar but... it looks too overwhelming ^^;;
[02:30] <Thib_G> steven_: you can change kopt, groot, and defoptions
[02:30] <Thib_G> in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:31] <Hidan> oh wow nevermind
[02:31] <Jed> midi playback still doesnt work, im using kmid
[02:32] <Thib_G> I don't know kmid, so I cannot help you
[02:32] <steven_> Thib_G: tnx :)
[02:32] <Jed> just anything that can play midis will do, i have music coursework due on monday
[02:32] <Thib_G> timidity midi_file
[02:33] <steven_> can i regenerate the menu.lst using the same program used by the updater, to check if it's working?
[02:33] <Hidan> !alcarte menu editor
[02:33] <Thib_G> but you can use timidity as a sequencer for alsa, replacing TIM_ALSASEQ=false by TIM_ALSASEQ=true into /etc/default/timidity
[02:33] <Jed> says its playing but i dont hear anything
[02:33] <Thib_G> steven_: sudo update-grub
[02:34] <dystopianray> Jed: does it allow you to select which output device or output port or something that it will play on?
[02:34] <Jed> no
[02:35] <Thib_G> it use the default ALSA device
[02:35] <Jed> think so
[02:35] <Thib_G> you can modify it by using asoundconf set-default-card
[02:35] <Jed> ok
[02:35] <dystopianray> Jed: try using timidity directly
[02:35] <Jed> have done already
[02:36] <Jed> just done the asoundconf thing and it doesnt work, shall i paste what comes out
[02:37] <dystopianray> Jed: timidity didn't work?
[02:37] <Jed> not last time but i will try again
[02:37] <steven_> Thib_G: tnx again :) one last thing, i've two entries, one for kernel 2.6.20-14-386 and the other for kernel 2.6.20-14--generic.. wich of them should i boot? how to definitively remove the other?
[02:37] <Jed> works now, thanks everyone
[02:38] <dystopianray> steven_: you should be using the generic kernel
[02:38] <Thib_G> generic one
[02:38] <steven_> ok :) how to remove the 386 then?
[02:38] <Thib_G> to remove the other, removes all linux-images-386 packages
[02:38] <shirish> guys I have this fish (interactive shell) working but it works either if I type bash or type fish, is there anyway it by default fires up?
[02:39] <steven_> tnx :)
[02:41] <Amaranth> shirish: edit the line in /etc/passwd to change your shell from bash to fish
[02:41] <ijk> Just to let you know, removing /etc/network/interfaces fixed the problem with the network manager. Thanks again.
[02:41] <Jed> would sibelius scorch for mac work on linux because they are essentially the same in my view
[02:42] <Amaranth> Jed: no
[02:42] <Jed> ok
[02:42] <Amaranth> Jed: you have to find a linux version
[02:42] <Jed> there is none
[02:42] <Amaranth> Mac OS X and Linux are _very_ different
[02:43] <Amaranth> at the source level things that don't use a GUI will generally require little to no effort to compile on either
[02:43] <Amaranth> but that's about it
[02:43] <shirish> Amaranth: most of the lines in /etc/passwd are /bin/bash should I change all of them?
[02:43] <Amaranth> shirish: no only the one for _your_ user
[02:44] <shirish> ah, got it thnx Amaranth
[02:46] <sohum> shirish: easier way: chsh
[02:46] <shirish> now what is that?
[02:47] <sohum> shirish: a command that you run on the terminal
[02:47] <sohum> Amaranth: chsh is an easier way if you're logged in
[02:48] <Amaranth> sohum: i suppose
[02:48] <Amaranth> i go for brute force :)
[02:48] <sohum> \me shies away from the brute and the force ;)
[02:48] <shirish> guys, do I need to make shortcut for this now, for fish?
[02:49] <sohum> shirish: no,
[02:49] <sohum> shirish: at next login you should have the friendly interactive shell
[02:49] <Gambaroni> Would I use AIGXL or XGL when I would install Beryl?
[02:49] <Hidan> !cgwdtheme
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cgwdtheme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <shirish> sohum: ah ok, thanx
[02:49] <sohum> shirish: btw, I played with fish, but i currently use zsh for sheer power
[02:49] <Thib_G> Gambaroni: AIGLX is much better
[02:50] <Gambaroni> Thib_G ok. isn't it some hardware requirements?
[02:50] <Hidan> sohum: shirish left the channel :p
[02:50] <sohum> Hidan: oh. right then. thanks
[02:50] <Thib_G> Gambaroni: hmm, there is some hardware requirements... What chipset have you got ?
[02:50] <Gambaroni> geforce4 MX
[02:51] <Thib_G> it should work
[02:51] <Gambaroni> Thib_G ok. would I use beryl or the other similar thing (can't remember the name)
[02:51] <usher_> comiz
[02:51] <usher_> compiz*
[02:51] <Gambaroni> compiz*
[02:51] <Gambaroni> Yes..
[02:51] <Gambaroni> :P
[02:52] <Gambaroni> What's actually the difference?
[02:52] <Thib_G> Beryl is more experimental, but I prefer it
[02:52] <Thib_G> it's stable enough for me
[02:52] <Gambaroni> Thib_G ok, more nice than compiz?
[02:52] <sohum> Gambaroni: not much anymore, now that they're merging the two
[02:52] <Gambaroni> k
[02:52] <Thib_G> sohum: the merge won't be in Feisty
[02:53] <sohum> Gambaroni: beryl goes the way of "if its cool put it in", which melikes :D
[02:53] <sohum> Thib_G: yea, but they're still... oh right, feisty channel
[02:53] <dandel> thib_g, when will they get to starting the backports for feisty then?
[02:53] <Gambaroni> sohum ok, me too =).. and compiz is more for stable?
[02:53] <Thib_G> Beryl may be a little slower than compiz
[02:53] <Gambaroni> ok
[02:54] <sohum> Gambaroni: yea, and less flashy effects
[02:54] <zaggynl> !ntfs
[02:54] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:54] <ShackJack> Beryls a bit slower for me on my fglrx/XGL but it's worth it :)
[02:54] <Gambaroni> ill try beryl this time..
[02:54] <Hidan> oh man... after hours of digging around, I still haven't figured out how to use cgwdtheme
[02:54] <Hidan> hmmm
[02:54] <sohum> Thib_G: really? i find beryl faster than compiz
[02:54] <Gambaroni> sohum the flashy effects is what i want =)
[02:54] <Thib_G> To me, Beryl is very stable. Never had problem with it
[02:54] <sohum> Thib_G: then again, it just might be my settings
[02:54] <sioux> where downlod the freisty final?
[02:54] <ShackJack> sohum - depends on the sitch :)
[02:55] <Ronald> !ntfs-3g
[02:55] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[02:55] <sohum> Thib_G:  i have, a few times, but nothing i couldn't fix ;)
[02:55] <Thib_G> sioux: feisty is under dev, there isn't a final release yet
[02:55] <sohum> Ronald: I've used it for... half a year now without any problems
[02:56] <Ronald> sohum: no problems, but not for that long. Was just curious what it had to say about it :)
[02:56] <sohum> Gambaroni: Beryl is more configurable. I have mine set to flashier than compiz, but still toned down
[02:56] <sohum> Ronald np ;)
[02:57] <zaggynl> where has disk management gone in feisty? I can't find it
[02:57] <Ronald> hmz
[02:57] <sohum> Gambaroni: oh, and my skydome is the xkcd comic where he advances his glaciers on sony, mpaa, riaa, apple, and microsoft
[02:57] <Ronald> ipw3945d somehow doesn't get loaded at boot anymore...
[02:57] <mrtimdog> Hi, anyone have any news on the kvm-api-9 (currently not available) package?
[02:58] <sohum> mrtimdog: they're working on it
[02:58] <mrtimdog> ah, excellent, eagerly awaited! :)
[02:58] <Thib_G> Ronald: strange, I've the same wireless card, and I have no problem with it
[02:58] <sohum> mrtimdog: aaik, it'll be in the provides of a future kernel update
[02:58] <Ronald> totally up to date ?
[02:58] <sohum> mrtimdog: *afaik
[02:58] <Gambaroni> sohum ok.. how long would it take to restart X?
[02:59] <Thib_G> Ronald: totally up-to-date
[02:59] <mrtimdog> sohum: thanks
[02:59] <sohum> Gambaroni: about 30 seconds
[02:59] <sohum> Gambaroni: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[02:59] <Ronald> Thib_G: are you up to speed regarding the inner workings why it may be broken on my system?
[02:59] <Gambaroni> sohum ok.. It just says: running local boot scripts [OK] 
[02:59] <sohum> Gambaroni: but save open files and suchlike first
[02:59] <sohum> Gambaroni: wait for X to come back
[02:59] <Gambaroni> ok
[02:59] <Thib_G> Ronald: first, ensure it is enabled in the restricted manager
[03:00] <sohum> Gambaroni: if you get an X error, you've goofed somewhere
[03:00] <Ronald> it used to work, checking :)
[03:00] <Gambaroni> sohum it must have take about 1 min atleast now..
[03:00] <Ronald> ah, there it is, my fault from the looks of it
[03:00] <Gambaroni> sohum i just followed: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Feisty_with_AIGLX#.28Rough.29How-to_install_Beryl_with_AIGLX_on_Feisty
[03:00] <sohum> Gambaroni: just at running local bootscripts?
[03:01] <sohum> Gambaroni: hm... Ctrl-Alt-F1
[03:01] <sohum> Gambaroni: login
[03:01] <Gambaroni> sohum yes.. in that guide, i'm on restart X server section.
[03:01] <sohum> Gambaroni: sudo killall -r gdm
[03:01] <Gambaroni> sohum ok, and then?
[03:01] <Gambaroni> ok
[03:01] <sohum> Gambaroni: sudo gdm
[03:01] <Gambaroni> gdm: no process killed
[03:02] <sohum> Gambaroni: hm
[03:02] <Gambaroni> ok, sohum then just following guide again?
[03:02] <shirish> guys where do I change my default browser, I want to change from epiphany which is the default browser to firefox
[03:02] <sohum> Gambaroni: are you back in X?
[03:02] <sohum> shirish: you like fish?  i tried it for a while, but now i use zsh for sheer power
[03:02] <Suurorca> ...and why not '/etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[03:02] <Gambaroni> sohum yes =)
[03:03] <sohum> shirish should be somewhere around update-alternatives
[03:03] <shirish> sohum: I like fish, for noobs like me its cool
[03:03] <sohum> gambaroni yes
[03:03] <sohum> shirish cool
[03:03] <shirish> sohum: path please for update-alternatives
[03:04] <sohum> shirish: it's a command...
[03:04] <shirish> ok cool
[03:04] <Gambaroni> sohum now when i started beryl, the screen just went white :O?
[03:04] <sohum> gambaroni: white? from beryl-manager, right?
[03:05] <Gambaroni> sohum yes
[03:05] <shirish> sohum: another command which needs a good UI, I was thinking preferred applications but that did not do the trick
[03:05] <sohum> shirish: did you figure it out?
[03:05] <sohum> gambaroni: hm...
[03:05] <shirish> sohum: its goobly gum for me , over the head
[03:06] <sohum> gambaroni: can you get back to metacity?
[03:06] <Jed> im trying to install something but it comes up with an error to do with zope and python, both of which are installed
[03:06] <Gambaroni> sohum how? :P maybe restart x?
[03:06] <sohum> shirish: update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser
[03:06] <sohum> gambaroni: go back to ctrl-alt-f1
[03:06] <Gambaroni> sohum then?
[03:06] <sohum> gambaroni: killall -r beryl
[03:07] <sohum> gambaroni: killall -r emerald
[03:07] <Gambaroni> then?
[03:07] <sohum> gambaroni: and ctrl-alt-f7
[03:07] <sohum> gambaroni: you have x yet?
[03:07] <shirish> sohum: thanx, its easy but when u know how
[03:07] <Gambaroni> sohum nice =)..
[03:07] <Gambaroni> sohum yes, and then? :P
[03:07] <sohum> shirish: manpages
[03:07] <Gambaroni> sohum i think you see what section i'm at right now in the guide
[03:08] <sohum> gambaroni: you have metacity?
[03:08] <Gambaroni> yes, now i have =)
[03:08] <shirish> sohum: I am reading that, although info used to be lot better, there is supposed to be some issue with info. at the moment
[03:08] <Gambaroni> sohum now i have =)
[03:08] <sohum> gambaroni: ok, go through beryl-manager and emerald-manager (from context menu)  and check if everything you want is enabled
[03:10] <sohum> shirish: I've heard of info, but my cursory toying with them has pushed me away from it (man's pager is a lot better
[03:10] <sohum> gambaroni: check if you have an emerald theme
[03:10] <bdgraue> searching for an  linux-restricted-modules   .deb  matching    https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/315769   <-- this kernel
[03:11] <thesilentw> hello, are the nvidia drivers fixed already?
[03:11] <Jed> im trying to install something but it comes up with an error to do with zope and python, both of which are installed
[03:11] <sohum> gambaroni: for debugging, do this:
[03:11] <Gambaroni> sohum i think i have..
[03:11] <sohum> gambaroni: quit beryl-manager, the tray icon
[03:11] <sohum> gambaroni: you fixed it?
[03:11] <Gambaroni> sohum nope
[03:11] <Ronald> bdgraue: i believe that kernel may be pulled due to booting issues... there is a 2.6.20-15.xx out  now, why not use that ?
[03:12] <Gambaroni> sohum i don't have any tray icon for beryl-manager..
[03:12] <sohum> gambaroni: you found out what the problem [wa|i] s?
[03:12] <Gambaroni> sohum nope
[03:12] <sohum> gambaroni: oh
[03:12] <sohum> gambaroni: ok, open up a terminal emulator
[03:12] <thesilentw> guys, how do i install a later version of nvivia-glx-new ? cause this one is broken
[03:12] <sohum> thesilentw: my copy works fine
[03:13] <thesilentw> installed today ?
[03:13] <sohum> thesilentw: yep
[03:13] <thesilentw> what card
[03:13] <thesilentw> u have
[03:13] <bdgraue> Ronald: the issues where in 2.6.20-14.23 and i have the issue also in 2.6.20-15 so the kernel-dev's said to go back to the 2.6.20-14.22
[03:13] <Ronald> ah kay
[03:13] <sohum> thesilentw: geforce 6...something
[03:13] <shirish> sohum: just like bash uses .bashrc for its settings, does fish also have something?
[03:13] <shirish> sohum: I have some aliases which i want to set there
[03:13] <sohum> shirish: logically, it should be .fishrc
[03:13] <thesilentw> sohum, so u didnt have : after upgrade NVidia driver stoped working with following error: Failed to load module "wfb" (module does not exist, 0)
[03:14] <thesilentw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/96600
[03:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 96600 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "after upgrade NVidia driver stoped working with following error: Failed to load module "wfb" (module does not exist, 0) (dup-of: 98641)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:14] <sohum> shirish: i moved my bash aliases to .zshrc
[03:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "NVidia driver missing libwfb" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:14] <shirish> lol, cool I should write a thanku note to the author
[03:14] <sohum> thesilentw: nope
[03:14] <bdgraue> does anyone have an matching linux-restricted-modules?
[03:14] <thesilentw> sohum
[03:14] <shirish> sohum: damn, now what is this .zschrc ?
[03:14] <sohum> shirishL that's for zsh
[03:14] <thesilentw> sohum, when did u update? 3 hours ago was broken
[03:15] <sohum> thesilentw: my current version is the newest
[03:15] <shirish> sohum: ah, got it
[03:15] <Gambaroni> sohum terminal is open..
[03:15] <sohum> gambaroni: ok, type beryl in the temrinal
[03:16] <thesilentw> sohum, ok, maybe in the last 3 hours they update it, gona try to update too
[03:16] <Gambaroni> sohum ok..? just white
[03:16] <shirish> sohum: strange, there is no .fishrc in my /home/shirish, do I need to create it?
[03:16] <sohum> gambaroni: ok, do the ctrl-alt-f1 dance until you have metacity again
[03:16] <sohum> shirish: yes
[03:16] <Gambaroni> sohum ok
[03:16] <shirish> ok cool
[03:17] <Ronald> bdgraue: don't have that one in my apt archives dir
[03:17] <Gambaroni> sohum done
[03:17] <bdgraue> Ronald: thx
[03:17] <sohum> pastebin the beryl output in the terminal
[03:17] <sohum> gambaroni:^
[03:18] <shirish> sohum: now I guess I have to somehow make the link between .fishrc to /bin/fish
[03:18] <Gambaroni> sohum how do I see the output? where's the log?
[03:18] <sohum> shirish: no
[03:18] <shirish> sohum: or it will take the stuff from the next login?
[03:18] <sohum> shirish:yes, or you could run source ~/.fishrc
[03:19] <sohum> gambaroni: don't you have the terminal window from before?
[03:19] <Gambaroni> sohum nope, it's terminated
[03:19] <shirish> sohum: it says bad command for source
[03:19] <sohum> gambaroni: why?
[03:19] <Gambaroni> sohum actually don't know =/
[03:19] <sohum> gambaroni: you should have just quit beryl, right?
[03:19] <Gambaroni> sohum i did..
[03:20] <Gambaroni> sohum ctrl+alt+f1 -> killall -r beryl -> ctrl+alt+f7
[03:20] <sohum> gambaroni:your windows should be intact, as you didn't restart X
[03:20] <Draconicus> My spca5xx module has vanished from my system... I don't know why. Any ideas?
[03:20] <Gambaroni> sohum you maybe wanna remote control?
[03:21] <shirish> sohum, is source an internal fish command, or do I need to download source or is it a bash command?
[03:21] <sohum> gambaroni:longshot, but check if c-a-f8, and f-9 have anything
[03:21] <Gambaroni> sohum ok
[03:21] <sohum> shirish, source should work...
[03:21] <sohum> shirish, ah, it'll take effect at next login anyway
[03:22] <shirish> yup tht is true
[03:22] <Gambaroni> sohum f8 have the "RUnning boot scripts.... " and f9 nothin
[03:22] <Gambaroni> g
[03:22] <sohum> thesilentw: my bad, apparently i'm using nvidia-glx instead of nvidia-glx-new
[03:22] <Draconicus> It's rather important. I can't use my webcam without it.
[03:23] <Draconicus> The driver was there when I first installed Feisty. Now it's gone.
[03:23] <shirish> sohum: you said something about man pager what is that?
[03:23] <Draconicus> I feel like building it from source...
[03:23] <sohum> gambaroni, try that again, but instead of running beryl in the terminal, run beryl > ~/beryl.log
[03:23] <Gambaroni> ok
[03:23] <sohum> shirish: the pager is the app that opens up when you run man <anything> or info <anyhtin>
[03:24] <sohum> shirish: the command less is a pager
[03:24] <sohum> shirish: i prefere man's pager
[03:24] <shirish> I find man to be too technical, info is/was much more easier to understand what the command is supposed to do
[03:25] <sohum> shirish: man usually helps me. for everything else, there's google :D
[03:25] <shirish> true
[03:25] <sohum> shirish: usually command -h or command --help have a concise summary
[03:26] <shirish> yup but to know the functionality of what I am doing is not known
[03:26] <sohum> shirish:?
[03:26] <shirish> for e.g. even source there is no man page no nothing about it
[03:26] <Gambaroni> sohum http://paste.cplusplus.se/paste.php?id=5603
[03:26] <AdministratorX> Good Morning from Marietta GA
[03:26] <sohum> shirish:oh. well some things have no man
[03:27] <sohum> shirish: normally, i'd go and look up source and where it actually comes up
[03:27] <sohum> gambaroni: and that's all you had after you white-screened?
[03:28] <Gambaroni> sohum yes
[03:28] <bobbob1016> I'm not sure if this belongs here, or in the normal channel, but I was trying to compile a program, on edgy, and it said I had a few dependencies.  One of which was libc6.  I downloaded and installed it, then I got the broken packages warning.  I downloaded the package from ubuntulinux.org, and I assumed it was for edgy, but it turns out it was for Feisty.  I can't remove and reinstall, because it says it'll remove almo
[03:28] <bobbob1016> st 3gig if I do.  Any ideas?
[03:28] <Gambaroni> sohum in the beryl.lgo
[03:28] <Gambaroni> log*
[03:28] <sohum> gambaroni: ok
[03:28] <Ronald> interesting.... vmware-server-modules and no vmware-server itself :?
[03:29] <sohum> gambaroni: try beryl --use-copy
[03:29] <Gambaroni> ok
[03:30] <bobbob1016> Basically, I have Edgy with a Feisty libc6, anyone know a way to fix this?
[03:30] <Gambaroni> sohum i can see the screen, but very laggy and blurred
[03:30] <sohum> gambaroni: ok
[03:30] <sohum> gambaroni: are you using beryl from feisty repositories?
[03:31] <bobbob1016> Gambaroni, are you sure you don't have Blur running in beryl?
[03:31] <Gambaroni> sohum deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org feisty main
[03:31] <sohum> bobbob1016 try sudo aptitude reinstall lib6 in a terminal
[03:32] <Gambaroni> bobbob1016 i think i have, maybe.. i will see the text anyway :O?
[03:32] <sohum> bobbob1016: that's libc6
[03:32] <sohum> gambaroni: diable blur for now
[03:32] <Gambaroni> sohum ok.
[03:32] <Gambaroni> sohum kill beryl first?
[03:32] <sohum> gambaroni: no
[03:32] <Gambaroni> ok
[03:33] <sohum> gambaroni: beryl -v
[03:33] <bobbob1016> sohum, aptitude says it can't find the package, and I should try to manually fix it, is there a way I can tell it that the correct .deb is on my desktop?
[03:34] <Gambaroni> sohum i cannot access the terminal =/.. so laggy
[03:34] <sohum> bobbob1016: try manually installing the correct desktop
[03:34] <sohum> gambaroni: kill beryl then
[03:35] <sohum> bobbob1016: *correct package, that is
[03:35] <bobbob1016> sohum, when I do that, it says "Newer version installed" and won't let me
[03:35] <Gambaroni> sohum blur effects is already turned off..
[03:36] <Gambaroni> sohum beryl-core 0.2.1
[03:36] <gopp> I got
[03:36] <gopp> error 8 boot kernel before starting
[03:36] <gopp> in grub
[03:36] <gopp> when I reboot
[03:36] <sohum> bobbob1016: in terminal, dpkg --force -i <package>
[03:36] <gopp> alll I get is grub shell and I try to boot kernel it won't
[03:37] <sohum> gambaroni: try updating to the latest beryl-svn
[03:37] <Gambaroni> sohum ok.. how? =)
[03:37] <sohum> gambaroni: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb edgy beryl-svn
[03:37] <sohum> gambaroni: wait
[03:38] <Gambaroni> ok
[03:38] <Gambaroni> sohum just add and then apt-get update?
[03:38] <sohum> gambaroni: don't add it yet
[03:38] <bobbob1016> sohum, unknown force/reuse option -i, should I do "dpkg -i --force <package>"?
[03:38] <Gambaroni> ok
[03:38] <sohum> bobbob1016: ok
[03:39] <sohum> gambaroni: try http://217.20.127.208/infowiki/doku.php?id=en_us:computer:software:linux:beryl:whitecubebug
[03:39] <gopp> Suddenly my /dev/hda became /dev/sda and thought the partitions were damaged and ran fsck on them, which failed every time.
[03:39] <Gambaroni> sohum would i downgrade :O?
[03:40] <Gambaroni> sohum I use nvidia geforce..
[03:40] <sohum> did you try the LDPRELOAD?
[03:40] <sohum> gambaroni:^
[03:40] <bobbob1016> sohum, I think I got it, it was "sudo dpkg --force-downgrade -i <package>"
[03:41] <sohum> bobbob1016: excellent ;)
[03:42] <bobbob1016> sohum, thanks a lot, I'm going to move to feisty, but I want to wait until it is released, and then I'll move EVERYTHING to feisty, not just parts, lol
[03:42] <sohum> bobbob1016: yw, and that's wise ;)
[03:42] <gopp> when will fiesty come out
[03:42] <Gambaroni> sohum how do I rotate cube? still white..
[03:43] <sohum> gambaroni: do you have a cpmpletely white screen, or can you see anything?
[03:43] <sohum> !release
[03:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[03:43] <sohum> !feisty
[03:43] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[03:43] <sohum> gopp : ^
[03:43] <TulsaPoke> So I take it from the messages on here that Feisty won't be RC for a while longer?
[03:44] <sohum> tulsapoke: menothinks there  will be a rc
[03:44] <gopp> it fucked up my ide drive
[03:44] <Gambaroni> sohum completely.. i can just see when mouse pointer is changing shape, when i move it over windows :P.. and i can see the beryl on top and bottom of cube
[03:44] <sohum> gambaroni: ok
[03:45] <sohum> gambaroni: try the repo i gave you
[03:45] <shirish> guys is apport working or not? for I touched couple of crash files but apport does not seem to like it?
[03:45] <Gambaroni> sohum and just update then?
[03:45] <sohum> gambaroni: update and upgrade
[03:45] <shirish> in the sense apport is nowhere to be seen
[03:45] <Gambaroni> ok
[03:46] <sohum> gambaroni: hm, it's breaking my compiz
[03:47] <Gambaroni> sohum =/..
[03:47] <Gambaroni> sohum i will not upgrade?
[03:47] <sohum> gambaroni: let me try something
[03:47] <Gambaroni> sohum i'm using feisty and not edgy..
[03:47] <Gambaroni> sohum ok.
[03:47] <sohum> gambaroni: i know, so am i, they don't have a feisty repo yet
[03:48] <shirish> sohum can u take a look at bug #102378
[03:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 102378 in usplash "Not able to boot with usplash" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102378
[03:48] <Gambaroni> sohum would i update and upgrade or not?
[03:49] <sohum> gambaroni: no, remove the repo
[03:49] <Gambaroni> ok
[03:49] <sohum> gambaroni: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=362381&highlight=beryl+white+screen
[03:50] <sohum> shirish: i'm sorry, i have absolutely no idea
[03:50] <shirish> sohum: ok thanx
[03:51] <sohum> gambaroni: i hope you fix your problem, but i have to hit the sack now (it's 10 to midnight in australia ;))
[03:52] <Gambaroni> sohum hehe, you are from there?
[03:52] <shirish> guys, is there any tool to make a screencast of an issue I am having, I need the screencast to start from login itself
[03:52] <sohum> gambaroni: no, just living here, originally indian
[03:52] <Gambaroni> sohum if i try using the repo you gave me, someone have that and it works..
[03:52] <sohum> gambaroni: yea but that was earlier
[03:53] <sohum> gambaroni: later updates make that repo break official compiz
[03:53] <Gambaroni> sohum ok, nice there.. i've been there last christmas.. :D where in australia?
[03:53] <Gambaroni> sohum ok, then i think i have to downgrade :)?
[03:53] <sohum> gambaroni: gold coast (sunny :D)
[03:54] <sohum> gambaroni: try the guy who manually downlaoded the debs
[03:54] <sohum> gambaroni: paleocybernetic.net
[03:54] <sohum> gambaroni: that should work
[03:54] <sohum> gambaroni: he provides links ;)
[03:55] <Gambaroni> sohum ok.. what's that :O? i were in surfing paradise ;)
[03:55] <sohum> gambaroni: what's what? and i'm not a surfer
[03:55] <kestaz> that is the latest feisty kernel ?
[03:56] <kestaz> anybody lol
[03:56] <sohum> anyway, ciao all
[03:56] <Gambaroni> sohum hehe :P
[03:57] <dandel> 0o what is the steps to request that a package get updated to a new version for stability sake?
[04:06] <penguin42> I can see something for *changing* a filetype mapping but not adding a new one
[04:07] <shirish> guys how do I add the java6 plugin to firefox, I have already installed it to the system?
[04:07] <penguin42> shirish: The package should contain a file named something like libjavaoui something .lib - can you see that?
[04:07] <mon^rch> if I "try" to reconfigure x for my "15" kernel, will it mess anything up for my "14" kernel?
[04:07] <shirish> penguin42: how do I search for that libjava?
[04:08] <rambo3> g++ problems : /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../include/c++/4.1.2/cstdlib:135: error: ::system has not been declared . any fix ?
[04:08] <penguin42> shirish: How did you install the java?
[04:09] <poningru> !aptoncd
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aptoncd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <shirish> penguin42: sudo aptitude install sun-java6-plugin
[04:09] <thelaser> update-java-alternatives?
[04:09] <shirish> ok cool
[04:10] <shirish> guys doing update-java-alternative -l gives          java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
[04:12] <HOT> anyone got vmware working in fiesty yet?
[04:13] <thelaser> update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun will set all the java symlinks to that jvm
[04:13] <penguin42> HOT: I've not tried it yet but I was told that you needed the latest vmware update to get a kernel fix
[04:13] <shirish> it is working, only the logo is absent
[04:13] <thelaser> I've not used 6, but with 5 I had to do that, even though I only had a single JVM installed.
[04:13] <HOT> penguin42: yea i have tried with kernel patch , no dice sadly
[04:13] <penguin42> HOT: How far does it get?
[04:14] <HOT> all the way, then you launch vmware and it says rerun configuration
[04:14] <penguin42> HOT: Then what happens when you do that?
[04:15] <HOT> just goes round in circles, i run vmware-config.pl and it says everything is fine then when i launch vmware it says rerun vmware-config.pl
[04:15] <Tuple> !breakage
[04:15] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[04:16] <penguin42> HOT: Hmm annoying!
[04:16] <HOT> yes very, lots of forum posts mentioning it, not current solution
[04:16] <penguin42> HOT: Let me just try it here
[04:17] <HOT> sure thanks
[04:17] <penguin42> HOT: I get a build error as it tries to build it - error: expecgted declarfation specifiers or '...' before 'compat_exit'
[04:18] <HOT> i worked from this http://linux.go2linux.org/node/30 , its for etch but the writer claims it works for fiesty too
[04:19] <shirish> guys how do I remove broken packages from the system?
[04:19] <shirish> or is there a way to check whichever broken packages are there?
[04:20] <thelaser> Synaptic has a "broken" filter.
[04:21] <Beta> Us there any reason my router's firewall could be blocking the update?
[04:21] <shirish> thelaser: anything from the command line?
[04:22] <shirish> thelaser: the broken shows nothing, what about orphan packages?
[04:23] <penguin42> HOT: Does the configure complete ok for you with those patches?  (I've not tried those patches)
[04:23] <thelaser> I think orphans are dependencies whose dependent has been removed.  Not sure though.
[04:23] <HOT> penguin42: yes it does, but it asks to rerun config over and over at the end
[04:23] <penguin42> nod
[04:23] <HOT> there is a version 9 as well if thats not mentioned
[04:24] <Fylk> Um.....Guys?
[04:24] <HOT> penguin42: vmware-any-any-update109.tar.gz
[04:26] <Kaplan_> my feisty beta is running perfectly normal
[04:26] <rambo3> !paste | rambo3
[04:27] <penguin42> Kaplan_: Ditto - but we can'tcomplain!
[04:27] <shirish> are there any other alternatives to sun java which are good/fast?
[04:27] <Kaplan_> i don't have any problem at the moment
[04:27] <Fylk> Hey guys, any way to fix the lastest glitch with package updates?
[04:27] <Kaplan_> i have installed the latest updates
[04:28] <rambo3> problem : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15583/
[04:28] <shirish> Fylk: what glitch are u facing?
[04:28] <Kaplan_> i'm still running -14 kernell only because of estricted
[04:28] <Xemanth^> "large parts of feisty were broke, including booting, and a 403 on the kernel" woot???
[04:28] <Fylk> Every attempt to downlad the updates fail. However, I don't know if its my personal firewall is blocking the updates or not.
[04:28] <Xemanth^> :D
[04:28] <thelaser> blackdown's ok, if 1.4 is good enough.
[04:29] <shirish> Kaplan_: there are restricted modules also for -15 kernel
[04:29] <Kaplan_> i cant see them
[04:29] <shirish> thelaser: its sudo aptitude install blackdown or something else?
[04:29] <jussi01> -15 is good...
[04:30] <penguin42> shirish: I've seen suggestions that one version back on the sun stuff is better - is it 1.4.2 rathat than 1.5.x ?
[04:30] <thelaser> Don't think so, package is named something else
[04:30] <Tomg> what is the planned release date for 7.04?
[04:30] <thelaser> Tomg: next thursday
[04:30] <jussi01> Tomg 19th
[04:30] <Tomg> thelaser: wow, someones got their work cut out
[04:31] <shirish> penguin42: now 1.6 is in the repos but its always good to have a GPL based thing
[04:31] <linux_kid> How do I install the kernel source for Feisty and where where would it be located (such as /usr/src/kernel)?
[04:31] <Kaplan_> yep
[04:31] <Kaplan_> restricted for -15 arealready on sinaptyc
[04:32] <Kaplan_> installing them right away
[04:33] <shirish> anybody know about GCJ? Gnu Compiler for Java?
[04:34] <Tomg> is java open source yet?
[04:34] <penguin42> shirish: So I've got one app at work where with the 1.5.x it hangs but 1.4.x seems to work
[04:34] <shirish> penguin42: I am just trying to see what works in surfing web-sites which use java
[04:35] <penguin42> nod
[04:35] <thelaser> Not quite, Tomg, but Sun is getting there, slowly.
[04:35] <Tomg> lol ive just been hearing rumors 4 a while thats all
[04:35] <Fylk> Is there anything I need to do to my firewall to get the update working?
[04:36] <shirish> Tomg: I was just reading up on that on wikipedia
[04:36] <Tomg> shirish: they might finally succeed at the "write once run everywhere" goal then
[04:36] <shirish> Tomg: its still a rumor
[04:37] <Tomg> yea... we can hope... i never liked coding java anyway
[04:38] <thelaser> aren't the VM and the compiler already GPL?
[04:38] <RedKrieg> Anyone else not able to start X with the nvidia driver after 2.6.20-15.25?
[04:38] <Kaplan_> don't know
[04:38] <Tomg> thelaser: tbh im not sure, i just read it somkwhere a while back
[04:38] <Kaplan_> but you can isntall java 6 from the repos
[04:39] <shirish> Tomg: thelaser: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Java_implementations
[04:40] <Tomg> apparrently it is os then?
[04:40] <shirish> guys would be going to make some food, be back in some-time
[04:41] <thelaser> blergh, I can't decode the marketspeak on sun.com
[04:42] <Tomg> http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/
[04:42] <thelaser> https://openjdk.dev.java.net/source/browse/openjdk/hotspot/trunk/LICENSE?rev=11&view=markup
[04:42] <thelaser> That's the GPL.
[04:43] <stevethepirate> hello
[04:43] <Fylk> Any one else got idea my my updates are failing.
[04:43] <stevethepirate> can someone direct me to a guide to install nvidia drivers for feisty? google just seems to return beryl giudes...
[04:43] <Tomg> try on the ubuntu wiki
[04:44] <stevethepirate> !nvidia
[04:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:44] <stevethepirate> sweet..
[04:45] <Kaplan_> on feisty all you have to do is install restricted modules for your running kernell
[04:45] <Tomg> lol ubotu saves the day again
[04:45] <FOAD> RedKrieg: yes me.
[04:45] <stevethepirate> okay.
[04:45] <stevethepirate> sweet.
[04:46] <stevethepirate> was confused whether edgy guide would work on fiesty..
[04:46] <Tomg> lol it cant hurt! much...
[04:48] <cliebow> anyone installed feistyu from a sony expansion base?
[04:48] <Fylk> Hey guys, what are the firewall settings for Ubunut?
[04:48] <Fylk> *ubuntu
[04:49] <FOAD> Ubunut, I like it.
[04:49] <jussi01> Fylk, what do you mean?
[04:49] <Fylk> I'm behind a firewall with my router. And now, I can't seem to update. Everything just fails.
[04:50] <jussi01> Fylk, it shouldnt be you ubuntu firewall doing it
[04:50] <jussi01> have you tried changing servers?
[04:50] <Fylk> I'm talking about HARDWARE firewall.
[04:50] <Fylk> How do I do that?
[04:51] <jussi01> system->admin->software sources
[04:51] <penguin42> where do mime types etc get configured on feisty - I can't see anything obvious in nautilus and firefox seems to be a lot dumber than it used to be
[04:52] <Fylk> Then what jussi?
[04:52] <stevethepirate> http://www.pastebin.co.za/146  ... i get this error when trying to install nvidia-glx
[04:52] <TulsaPoke> I have never had a problem with any router firewall blocking updates... and I have updated behind several different brands of routers/firewalls
[04:52] <Fylk> Thanks Tulsa, I'm going to try changing servers...once some one tells me how.
[04:53] <jussi01> Fylk, just select the server - it says download from xxx server
[04:53] <jussi01> choose a different one
[04:53] <Fylk> Got it.
[04:53] <jussi01> :D
[04:54] <Fylk> Still failing.
[04:54] <stevethepirate> anyone ?
[04:54] <jussi01> Fylk, have you played with your firewall settings on your router?
[04:55] <bob_> i've had to boot from Feisty cd in single-user mode to fix video drivers, now i'm in live session, but i don't have install icon on the desktop
[04:55] <Fylk> Only added a port for something else, but other than that, nothing Jussi.
[04:55] <bob_> how can i launch installer now?
[04:56] <jussi01> Fylk, for now you could try disabling the router firewall - find where it says dmz and switch it on for your ip...
[04:56] <Fylk> Can't disable it.
[04:56] <BluesKaj> bob_, reboot into the livecd again ..installer might show up this time
[04:56] <Fylk> But I'll try. Any idea what ports ubunutu uses for updates?
[04:57] <jussi01> Fylk, im sorr i dont knpw
[04:57] <bob_> BluesKaj: the problem is live cd wouldn't launch X, i need to install the driver first
[04:57] <bob_> BluesKaj: i'll lose the driver after reboot
[04:57] <TulsaPoke> I have basically all ports blocked on my routers (default) and everything updates fine ... so I dont know what you could unblock
[04:57] <bob_> BluesKaj: the install cd is just a launcher of some program, but which?
[04:58] <Fylk> Putting it in DMZ mode. Hope this works.
[04:58] <BluesKaj> bob_,do you have a windows partition ?
[04:58] <bob_> BluesKaj: why?
[04:58] <BluesKaj> cuz without X as you call it windows won't work either
[04:59] <bob_> BluesKaj: i've launched X now, after fixing xorg config. but no install icon. which program that launcher starts?
[04:59] <ShackJack> Holy Shnikeys, I just got back about 101MB from removing those non-english ttf- language fonts ... Had no idea those took up so much space!
[05:00] <penguin42> ShackJack: I guess they have a lot of very curly characters
[05:00] <BluesKaj> bob_,if you've partitioned for linux , then I would reformat ext ...the live cd runs on it's own and launches it's own xserver-xorg file
[05:00] <ShackJack> Yay - I'll say!
[05:01] <nitalaut> guys, i'm installing the latest kernel to make my feisty boot and the following error occures 'findfs: Unable to resolve 'UUID=cc615a46-cbe8-4e81-be2d-5000cd3d2bba'
[05:01] <nitalaut> Cannot determine root device.  Assuming /dev/hda1
[05:01] <nitalaut> This error is probably caused by an invalid /etc/fstab
[05:01] <nitalaut> '
[05:01] <nitalaut> there's nothing about this in google =(
[05:01] <ShackJack> Ubuntu could use a little work in the default font dept... seem to be some redunancy in the area of sans serif fonts, etc...
[05:01] <bob_> BluesKaj: yes i know, i dont' have linux installed on my drive yet. i've fixed the driver in the live session, so after reboot these fixes will be lost. i need to launch install now, and then i'll fix the driver again on my hd
[05:02] <TulsaPoke> penguin42: what directory are those fonts in... Im going to remove mine too
[05:02] <penguin42> don't know
[05:02] <linux_kid> Which kernel fixes the issue with bcm4311 cards?
[05:02] <ShackJack> TulsaPoke - you want to do it through aptitiude/apt-get...
[05:02] <BluesKaj> bob_, if you created an xserver-xorg file on the HDD ,then the lived cd sees it as an installation so it won't show the install option
[05:02] <TulsaPoke> ok thanks
[05:02] <ShackJack> TulsaPoke - you can do a search via aptitude search ttf-   then look at the ones with "i" in front
[05:03] <ShackJack> TulsaPoke - sudo aptitude remove --purge ttf-arabeyes ttf-arphic-ukai ttf-arphic-uming ttf-baekmuk ttf-bengali-fonts ttf-devanagari-fonts ttf-gujarati-fonts ttf-indic-fonts ttf-kannada-fonts ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho ttf-lao ttf-malayalam-fonts ttf-oriya-fonts ttf-punjabi-fonts ttf-tamil-fonts ttf-thai-tlwg ttf-telugu-fonts
[05:03] <ShackJack> :)
[05:03] <ShackJack> TulsaPoke - cleans up yer font list too :)
[05:03] <BluesKaj> !Pastebin | ShackJack
[05:03] <ubotu> ShackJack: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:03] <bob_> BluesKaj: i didnt', i've just edited xorg file in temp partition (that live session creates)
[05:03] <ShackJack> BluesKaj - no - not for one command....
[05:04] <bob_> BluesKaj: it's ubiquity, i got it
[05:04] <BluesKaj> well bob_ I'll bet it still sees it as an installation
[05:04] <USSJoin> So what do we think-- is it safe to upgrade the kernel?
[05:04] <bob_> BluesKaj: installing now
[05:05] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:05] <Fylk> Didn't fix it.
[05:05] <BluesKaj> USSJoin, I'm running 2.6.20-15...runs well
[05:06] <USSJoin> BluesKaj: 2.6.20-15.14?
[05:06] <linux_kid> BluesKaj, do use bcm43xx on that kernel
[05:06] <TulsaPoke> I just unckecked 100mb of asian fonts... sweet found hard drive space... thanks for the tip.
[05:06] <BluesKaj> no 15
[05:06] <ShackJack> Anyone else here get the "spontaneous log out" bug... Happens when I'm not looking - I think it has something to do with the screensaver,...
[05:06] <ShackJack> TulsaPoke - no prob...
[05:06] <yves__> hey everyone, how can I remove old kernels from the bootmenu?
[05:06] <yves__> I have about 4 there now :)
[05:06] <USSJoin> yves__: Edit /boot the grub master list
[05:06] <ShackJack> yves__ - sudo aptitude remove...
[05:07] <yves__> alright, thanks
[05:07] <yves__> in /boot I just prevent them from showing in the list, and with aptitude I uninstall them?
[05:07] <USSJoin> yves__: Correct.
[05:07] <yves__> ok. Is there any difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[05:07] <ShackJack> yves__ - you don't have to touch the boot list - when you uninstall they will be removed...
[05:07] <misfit_toy> anybody else's network-manager say "manual configuration'?
[05:08] <yves__> ShackJack, thank you
[05:08] <ShackJack> yves__ aptitude seems to have better depenancy stuff..
[05:08] <USSJoin> yves__: Yes. Apt-get is standard, people seem to like aptitude (but I don't know why)
[05:09] <linux_kid> Who here has bcm43xx on the 2.6.20-14-386 kernel
[05:09] <ShackJack> yves__ - tab key is your friend when typing packages, btw...  sudo-aptitude remove --purge linux-image-2.6.20.13-generic linux-headers-2.6.20.13-generic or you can go into synaptic and search for linux (name only) and uncheck the old versions...
[05:09] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, mine does
[05:09] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, yeah, that start last night, weird.
[05:10] <yves__> ShackJack, oh cool. I thought the tab key only completed filesystem things
[05:10] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, mine started two days ago
[05:10] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, did you upgrade from edgy?
[05:10] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, yes
[05:10] <maccam94> ok, so it is safe to upgrade the kernel now?
[05:10] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, use the edgy manager
[05:11] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, thats what i'm doing
[05:11] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, yes, I know, I was just wondering about n-m and if I was the only one or not, lol.
[05:11] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, the feisty one was really neat, too
[05:12] <USSJoin> linux_kid: So wait-- the feisty n-m shouldn't be used?
[05:12] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, yes, it was really cool for about a week!
[05:12] <misfit_toy> listed all the wifi in my area, etc...
[05:12] <linux_kid> USSJoin, its broken for some people, but if it works, it is fine
[05:12] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, do you use bcm43xx?
[05:13] <USSJoin> linux_kid: Is it going to be fixed before release?
[05:13] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, not on this laptop
[05:13] <linux_kid> USSJoin, I hope so
[05:13] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, ok
[05:13] <linux_kid> USSJoin,  i believe it was a kernel error
[05:13] <USSJoin> linux_kid: So the new kernel might fix it?
[05:14] <linux_kid> USSJoin, I am upgrading the kernel now on my SLOW bcm43xx driver, so I will have the answer soon
[05:14] <linux_kid> USSJoin, do you use bcm43xx
[05:15] <fulat2k> does 7.04 beta support the realtek high def audio chipset?
[05:15] <USSJoin> linux_kid: No, I have the Centrino 3945ABG.
[05:15] <misfit_toy> new kernel didn't work for me, just threw an X error, I'm back to 14-386
[05:15] <xtknight> fulat2k, i think so
[05:15] <TulsaPoke> I upgraded one of my desktops to Fiesty and it worked great however I had the kernel listed as an upgrade that would not install so I am waiting to upgrade the rest of my machines.
[05:15] <fulat2k> xtknight
[05:15] <linux_kid> USSJoin, it have some error that only lets you connect at 11MB/s which figures to me at 20kb/s on all downloads
[05:16] <xtknight> fulat2k, azalia?
[05:16] <fulat2k> xtknight: yups.
[05:16] <USSJoin> linux_kid: The bcm driver does? That sucks.
[05:16] <xtknight> pretty sure it should but can't confirm
[05:16] <fulat2k> xtknight: on a gigabyte p965-ds3
[05:16] <xtknight> fulat2k, ohh yes
[05:16] <xtknight> fulat2k, ive got that board
[05:16] <xtknight> fulat2k, sec let me see if ti does
[05:16] <defendguin> is there a reason why now my computer is an hour ahead?
[05:16] <linux_kid> USSJoin, I am soo close to going back to linuxant
[05:16] <xtknight> it*
[05:16] <xtknight> i use an audigy, though
[05:16] <fulat2k> xtknight: oh yeah :) at least someone has simialr hardware ;P
[05:16] <macd> the kernel is fixed now, but the repos are a bit slowe
[05:16] <macd> slow even*
[05:17] <xtknight> fulat2k, ah i had it disabled in the bios brb
[05:17] <USSJoin> linux_kid: I was actually really impressed with the 3945ABG handling on Feisty. Edgy just kind of gulped. Feisty loaded the module (restricted) and handled it all on livecd boot.
[05:17] <fulat2k> xtknight: hm... i think i've set it to auto iirc...
[05:17] <xtknight> fulat2k, auto = on
[05:17] <xtknight> not sure why they call it that way
[05:17] <xtknight> hold on ill reboot in a sec and see what hapepns
[05:17] <phaidros> !away
[05:17] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[05:17] <phaidros> rocky ^^
[05:18] <USSJoin> !guidelines
[05:18] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:18] <linux_kid> USSJoin, thats cool, The card loaded fine with one .deb package, but like I said its slow.  There is a kernel patch for it, but i can't compile a kernel
[05:18] <macd> you cant or dont know how ;)
[05:18] <rocky> phaidros: that's quite a lame rule
[05:19] <linux_kid> macd, don't know
[05:19] <macd> and it really applies just to the ubuntu channels, so if your on other channels have fun :)
[05:19] <macd> linux_kid, its pretty simple
[05:19] <linux_kid> macd, want to help...
[05:19] <macd> how about if I point you in the right direction
[05:19] <phatmonkey> is the release still set for the 19th?
[05:20] <linux_kid> macd, ok, all i need in there is one .patch file
[05:20] <macd> linux_kid,  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24853
[05:20] <linux_kid> phatmonkey, its schedualed for the week on the 19
[05:20] <macd> the second post is the definitive way linux_kid
[05:20] <linux_kid> macd, ok, ill check that out
[05:20] <macd> the RC may be this weekend, but I wouldnt count on it
[05:21] <BluesKaj> next thurs ...officially , so far
[05:21] <macd> the 19th isnt THE date, just the week.
[05:22] <macd> join the mailing lists and you too can know ;)
[05:22] <USSJoin> OK-- time to reboot into new kernel
[05:22] <BluesKaj> looks like a date to me ...it's been listed for over a month as "The Day"
[05:22] <zPacKRat> what happened to the k7, k8, 686 etc versions of the kernel
[05:23] <linux_kid> macd, so i can't just use the headers to load a .patch file?
[05:23] <linux_kid> zPacKRat, use the generic package
[05:23] <macd> linux_kid, considering the patch is a kernel patch not a header patch, yeah you need the full source.
[05:24] <macd> BluesKaj, the date was listed as the 12th. but major bugs pushed it back
[05:24] <zPacKRat> I am, I'm just wondering what happened with  the "optimized" kernels
[05:24] <macd> zPacKRat, it is the generic one now.
[05:25] <linux_kid> macd, i just god a new kernel, so i will see what happens
[05:25] <linux_kid> *got
[05:25] <phatmonkey> linux_kid, nice, thanks
[05:26] <linux_kid> phatmonkey, anytime
[05:26] <macd> linux_kid, if everything doesnt go perfect the frist time dont get discouraged, btw what are you patching?
[05:27] <linux_kid> macd, here is the patch ftp://lwfinger.dynalias.org/patches/combined_2.6.20.patch its for bcm43xx
[05:27] <macd> gotcha, thats a driver patch, so just use the headers, and go into your dir and make modules ;)
[05:28] <macd> I didnt know it was a driver patch
[05:28] <linux_kid> macd, ok, im slow, how do i do that?
[05:28] <askar> How do I update to 2.6.21rc6?
[05:29] <jimbob79>  hi, i just bought a Belkin wireless notebook card (F5D7010 v7000) and I've been working forever to try to get it to work... it uses the ralink 2500 chipset but when i install the native drivers and try to activate it it just freezes up
[05:29] <macd> askar, that is not a ubuntu stock kernel
[05:29] <jimbob79> the card never turns on
[05:30] <macd> jimbob79, next time before you activate it type "tail -f /var/log/dmesg' so you can see what its doing
[05:30] <askar> macd: I read in the forums someone had upgraded to that kernel and had a lot of troubles fixed, as I understand it feisty will stick with 2.6.20?
[05:30] <xtknight> who was asking about the Azalia?
[05:30] <xtknight> it works great
[05:31] <rocky> it's really unfortunate that people with latest gen nivida cards can't use the standard feisty binary nvidia drivers
[05:31] <crochat> Hello !
[05:31] <macd> feisty will, the latest kernel in the repos for feisty has the major bug fixes.
[05:31] <fitawav> my hdd fiesty install is hosed, so i booted from teh live cd and am able to access the old installation, but it won't let me copy any thing from it to a memory card or my windows shares, any thoughts? i'm signed in with sudo nautilus?
[05:31] <BluesKaj> running 2.6.20-15 as we speak ...running fine :)
[05:32] <jhutchins> I can NOT get my acx100 wireless card to connect.  Strange thing is I got it to work Tuesday, but not since.
[05:32] <linux_kid> macd, how do i make modules?
[05:32] <macd> linux_kid, in a nutshell apply the patch, then navigate to the /usr/src/linux-xxxxxxx dir and type make modules
[05:32] <AdministratorX> jimbob79 try ndiswrapper
[05:32] <crochat> Anybody had a problem with the installation of the linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic (or other) at the postinst ? I had a 128 exit status code (which leaved the package unconfigured) every time I tried
[05:32] <jhutchins> I'm on the feisty live CD now, and when I configure the card with the applet in the system tray, iwconfig doesn't show any changes.
[05:32] <linux_kid> macd, pretend you are telling this to a pre-schooler
[05:33] <zPacKRat> linux_kid there is a .deb package that made my bcm43xx card work
[05:33] <jimbob79> when i try ndiswrapper it installs the windows driver from the cd and sys the device is present but the card still isnt on and it freezes up trying to activate it
[05:33] <BluesKaj> some edgy settings work as well , my pc has ATI graphics and tvtuners cards and DRI is working OK
[05:33] <xtknight> Intel ICH8 HD Audio/ SigmaTel STAC9750,51 works great on Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3
[05:33] <linux_kid> zPacKRat, my card and my kernel have a known bug and it wont go any higher than 11mb/s
[05:33] <macd> linux_kid, before I do that, what is wrong with your bcm43xx currently?
[05:33] <jhutchins> jimbob79: Have a look at the logs.  Something's probably looping.
[05:33] <jimbob79> is there some other windows driver i should use
[05:33] <macd> linux_kid, ahh, ok.
[05:34] <crochat> rocky: The can use the nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-kernel-source-new, so where's the problem ?
[05:34] <zPacKRat> yes the 11mb bug, I have that
[05:34] <cliebow>   anyone else notice that drivers for cdrom on a sony expansion base wont redect the cdrom in feisty..but do in dapper?
[05:34] <crochat> s/The/They/
[05:34] <linux_kid> zPacKRat, i found a patch, but cannot install it
[05:34] <jimbob79> is there a ralink 2500 windows driver
[05:34] <penguin42> has anyone had any luck with any of the hacks for doing Flash on 64bit ?  I can see there are choices between {open source flash players, a wrapper for netscape plugins, install some form of 32 bit installation as a subinstallation}
[05:34] <rocky> crochat: heh, i wasn't aware of this nvidia-new thing... what is the point of nvidia, nvidia-legacy, and now nvidia-new ?
[05:35] <xtknight> penguin42, nspluginwrapper worked well for me
[05:35] <fitawav> when i message ubotu about breakage say's it doesn't know..
[05:35] <xtknight> nvidia-legacy: <GF4 support.  nvidia GF4-GF 7xxx support.  nvidia-new GF4-8xxx support i believe
[05:35] <crochat> rocky: nvidia-new is the 97xx generation
[05:35] <fitawav> is their anything i can do to save my installation?
[05:35] <rocky> crochat: and what's the correct way of installing it?
[05:35] <penguin42> xtknight: Is it packaged at all?
[05:35] <fulat2k> xtknight: native? :)
[05:35] <crochat> rocky: nvidia-glx is until the last 96xx driver (9631)
[05:35] <xtknight> penguin42, not sure.  but dont even try compiling it
[05:35] <macd> is there even 97xx nvidias yet? I thought just 88xx
[05:36] <xtknight> it's hell to compile
[05:36] <xtknight> no matter how many times youve compiled the kenrel
[05:36] <penguin42> xtknight: Haha OK
[05:36] <jkjk> Does anyone know of a truecrypt deb file for feisty ?
[05:36] <xtknight> fulat2k, yea
[05:36] <macd> building the kernel just takes a while to do the config/menu config
[05:36] <xtknight> fulat2k, enabled it in bios (having never enabled it on this install before), up it appears and i'm able to play audio on it.  sounds as good as my audigy
[05:36] <macd> when in doubt make everything a module ;)
[05:37] <xtknight> fulat2k,  00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[05:37] <fulat2k> xtknight: awesome.  thanks for the info dude.
[05:37] <crochat> rocky: With nvidia-new, you don't need some xgl driver for compiz/beryl, is't integrated in the driver... so Bery/Compiz just over nvidia-new works fine
[05:37] <xtknight> fulat2k,  ya no problem.  i dont think its realtek tho
[05:37] <zPacKRat> linux_kid have you read this thread   http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=543273
[05:37] <linux_kid> zPacKRat, not yet
[05:37] <assasukasse> do we have RC?
[05:38] <crochat> rocky: But nvidia-new doesn't recognize some older cards like mine (GeForce2 MX)
[05:38] <Hidan> !rc
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <xtknight> macd, 88xx video cards.  97xx driver version.
[05:38] <Hidan> !release candidate
[05:38] <Hidan> hmm oh well
[05:38] <fulat2k> xtknight: umm... ok.  coz that's what the driver says :)  nonetheless, if it's working, it's good.
[05:38] <macd> xtknight, yeah thats what I thought, but it wasnt worded that way
[05:38] <xtknight> Hidan, it was delayed
[05:38] <Hidan> xtknight: HEY! :D
[05:38] <xtknight> because of kernel issues
[05:38] <xtknight> lol
[05:38] <Hidan> xtknight: yeah i knew that :p
[05:38] <Hidan> xtknight: i was one of the lucky few who didn't get kernel crashes from installing .14 lol
[05:39] <xtknight> same here
[05:39] <jimbob79> where could i obtain a windows ralink 2500 driver
[05:39] <shirish> check that same here
[05:39] <xtknight> jimbob79, definitely not here ;)
[05:39] <xtknight> have you checked their site?  i'd be surprised if RaLink were linxu only
[05:39] <macd> linux_kid, I tried finding you a good forum post, but there realyl are not any
[05:39] <Hidan> xtknight: the only problems that've occurred are that, after installing the latest updates, my browsers and Xorg are crashing more often. ><;;
[05:39] <llutz> hi
[05:39] <xtknight> Hidan, hm i haven't had too many troubles.
[05:39] <linux_kid> zPacKRat, found me one, but thank you
[05:40] <macd> linux_kid, are you intrested in a .deb for feisty?
[05:40] <rocky> crochat: it looks like nvidia-glx-new requires older kernel ... and a 386 one at that
[05:40] <sa1> When does the feisty official release come out
[05:40] <xtknight> Hidan, i never have too many troubles, my system always seems rock solid but i'm sure my luck will run out one of these days
[05:40] <Hidan> shirish: xtknight: other than that, at least...  most of my applications are running smoothly.
[05:40] <crochat> rocky: With Ubuntu Feisty ?
[05:40] <linux_kid> macd, i have that :(, but I found a useful post from someone with the same os kernel and card
[05:40] <xtknight> Hidan, get that opera thing fixed?
[05:40] <Hidan> shirish: xtknight: just a few days ago, everything was crashing right and left LOL
[05:40] <shirish> same here, things are cool atm, but which update may sock u never know
[05:40] <rocky> crochat: yes, it seems to depend on linux-image-2.6.20-13-386
[05:41] <shirish> but its kinda fun also
[05:41] <Hidan> xtknight: shirish: i installed Opera 9.2 already but oh well
[05:41] <macd> linux_kid, I mean for the patch, I can build a deb for fesity
[05:41] <Hidan> xtknight: shirish: if only I could troubleshoot my problems... or even knew how to.
[05:41] <linux_kid> macd, that would be awsome
[05:41] <shirish> Hidan: same here, we all have issues, one at a time, hopefully
[05:42] <crochat> rocky: Just install linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic, and nvidia-glx-new should work as linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic provides nvidia-kernel-1.0-9755 (nvidia-new) !
[05:42] <Hidan> xtknight: shirish: hell yeah... though I already know how to isolate problems.
[05:42] <shirish> Hidan: you installed opera 9.5 from the repos. or from some site?
[05:42] <fitawav> is their any way to access fiesty after it has been broken by the updates this morning?
[05:42] <Hidan> shirish: xtknight: huh? no, i only have Opera 9.2 from their site.
[05:43] <xtknight> Hidan,  working with a dual monitor config at the moment.  i like linux better than windows in this regard.  windows restricts my choice.  in linux i can have the full res of both monitors and one cut off just slightly.
[05:43] <shirish> Hidan: ah ok
[05:43] <Hidan> shirish: xtknight: *from Opera site
[05:43] <xtknight> Hidan, yes opera 9.2 from opera site
[05:43] <rocky> crochat: ah looks like i was missing that restricted pkg but had an old restricted pkg handy which was confusing
[05:43] <shirish> xtknight: wow, that's cool, that's also a big jump
[05:44] <xtknight> shirish, the monitors are different resolutions (1680x1050 and 1280x1024).  windows doesnt let me use the max on both of them
[05:44] <xtknight> i have to use 1280x1024 on both which sux
[05:44] <macd> linux_kid, yeah, since your not the first person to ask for it, I'll go ahead and build one sometime before weekends end
[05:44] <Hidan> xtknight: shirish: Well, Windows is starting to look awful in comparison, except for the themes. My absolute favourite theme isn't available for Ubuntu. And no themes have come close to it. It's "gfxoasis"
[05:44] <crochat> Arrrghhh !! Still have my 128 error code with the installation of the linux-image package !! What should I do ?
[05:44] <shirish> xtknight: I have been reading the x.org lists
[05:44] <macd> linux_kid, can I have the link to that patch again plz
[05:45] <xtknight> Hidan, gfxoasis is an XP theme?
[05:45] <linux_kid> macd, ftp://lwfinger.dynalias.org/patches/combined_2.6.20.patch
[05:45] <Hidan> xtknight: shirish: hang on, let me paste the url.
[05:45] <xtknight> Hidan,  heh clone it/make your own metacity and GTK themes ;)
[05:45] <crochat> Aah, Dapper, the only STABLE Ubuntu !
[05:45] <Thib_G> Is there any new information about HDA Intel breakage ?
[05:45] <xtknight> shirish, speaking of Xorg they need to get widescreen autodetection working
[05:45] <xtknight> Thib_G, hda intel breakage?  mine worked fine
[05:45] <Hidan> xtknight: shirish:  http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/7449129/
[05:45] <shirish> xtknight: they are working on whole lotta shit there
[05:46] <xtknight> i just tried it literally five minutes ago and it worked awesome
[05:46] <Thib_G> xtknight: my doesn't work since 2.6.20-14 kernel
[05:46] <SlimeyPete> my realtek hda still doesn't work.
[05:46] <xtknight> Thib_G, HD Audio?
[05:46] <Thib_G> xtknight: yes
[05:46] <xtknight> dunno what to say, mine works
[05:46] <xtknight> post your lspci line
[05:46] <Hidan> shirish: forgot to ask you, how long have you been using Ubuntu?
[05:47] <Thib_G> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[05:47] <shirish> Hidan: on & off for about a yr. I guess
[05:47] <shirish> Hidan: but still do not know much
[05:47] <Thib_G> Audio input works fine, not output
[05:47] <xtknight> Thib_G, mine's close.  00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[05:47] <xtknight> different though
[05:47] <macd> linux_kid, thx, are you going ot be around later today/ tomm. here?
[05:48] <Hidan> shirish: lol... i've been using for less than 2 weeks but miraculously, I already know how to enable many various things... :p
[05:48] <xtknight> linux was a slow learning process for me in the start
[05:48] <shirish> cool
[05:48] <xtknight> i probably tried ten linux distros, switching back to windows each time
[05:48] <xtknight> then i found this great little "Dapper beta"
[05:48] <shirish> same here, need to know which is a good java implementation. have downloaded blackdown, have to restart at some point & check out
[05:49] <Hidan> xtknight: lol... many Linux distros look just pretty scary... >>;; all that CLI and all those tools.
[05:49] <xtknight> shirish, what about sun java jre?  it's gpl now
[05:49] <shirish> also have to download RC as & when it happens & run it
[05:49] <linux_kid> macd, um... how big will the deb be?
[05:49] <shirish> xtknight: its not gpl still
[05:49] <xtknight> no?
[05:49] <xtknight> i thought sun made it gpl
[05:49] <macd> linux_kid, we'll know after its built
[05:49] <shirish> xtknight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Java_implementations
[05:49] <macd> prolly no more than 5-9k juding by the size of the current module
[05:49] <linux_kid> macd, like, 100mb or 2mb lol
[05:50] <shirish> also need to get some screencasting application, do not know any which work
[05:50] <xtknight> shirish, hrmm http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-welcomes-gpl-java.html
[05:50] <Thib_G> Is there any information about this breakage ? It's quite strange... And it's the first time it's broken since dapper beta
[05:50] <ph1zzle|laptop> hey all
[05:50] <shirish> !breakage
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about breakage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <linux_kid> macd, well i ahve a site you can upload stuff to: kcandow.dyndns.org/files/upload.php
[05:50] <xtknight> Thib_G, verify that it's broken.  type "asoundconf list"
[05:50] <shirish> ah that message is gone
[05:50] <ph1zzle|laptop> just out of curiousity, how do I install postgresql on feisty?
[05:50] <fitawav> Thib_G let me know what you find out..
[05:50] <xtknight> Hidan, the reason i use ubuntu is the community, not necessarily because it's the prettiest or easiest distro to use (though it's getting there)
[05:51] <Thib_G> xtknight: the sound device is detected and audio INPUT works fine
[05:51] <macd> linux_kid, dont worry about that, I'll have it in the repos.
[05:51] <Hidan> xtknight: oh so Ubuntu isn't the prettiest huh? :P
[05:51] <Tm_T> xtknight: yes, Ubuntu community <3<3
[05:51] <xtknight> Hidan, opensuse has better HW support i'd think but ubuntu beats it in the overall package.  and ubuntu is getting there on HW support
[05:51] <ph1zzle|laptop> postgresql server actually
[05:51] <linux_kid> macd, you can put stuff in the repos? wow!
[05:51] <macd> ph1zzle|laptop, 'sudo apt-get install postgresql-8.1'
[05:51] <xtknight> besides, i'd figure i'd join the community and push the HW support past opensuse :P
[05:51] <shirish> xtknight: although the compiler has been free but till the libraries are not free we are still not good
[05:51] <macd> linux_kid, anyone can, just find a MOTU.
[05:52] <Thib_G> xtknight: output doesn't work at all, since the -14 kernel ( I went back to the -13 one, and it worked fine, until I upgraded to -15 )
[05:52] <linux_kid> macd, i should be back here around 8pm est
[05:52] <macd> linux_kid, I expect I should be done by then :)
[05:52] <xtknight> Thib_G, do you have an audio/digital or IEC switch?
[05:52] <xtknight> analog/digital*
[05:52] <Hidan> xtknight: yeah the community  completely ROCKS! In most of my Windows life, often when you ask for help, it's met with insults or some smarthead or troll decides to jump in and steer the conversation away.
[05:52] <Thib_G> xtknight: what ?
[05:52] <linux_kid> macd, then thank you very much :) :) :)
[05:52] <xtknight> Thib_G, i think it's a configuration problem.  i doubt the driver broke.
[05:52] <TulsaPoke> I used opensuse for 8mos but it had bugs that I could not get past that ubuntu had fixed.
[05:52] <fitawav> is there any way to fix the inablitly to boot after the update?
[05:53] <xtknight> Thib_G, type "gnome-volume-control" and go to the Switches tab.
[05:53] <Hidan> xtknight: not to mention, the mods and even the members were really patient with me...
[05:53] <xtknight> Hidan, yeah it's pretty relaxing here.  make sure you dont ask for ubuntu help in #debian though hah
[05:53] <Hidan> xtknight: i'd this ultra long thread whereby i was just venting in some of the posts. :p
[05:53] <Thib_G> xtknight: I've an analog switch
[05:53] <Thib_G> ( using OSS )
[05:53] <ph1zzle|laptop> thanx macd
[05:53] <Hidan> xtknight: LOL why? what happens then?
[05:53] <Hidan> xtknight: will they ban me or something? :p
[05:53] <xtknight> Hidan, they throw a hissy fit
[05:54] <macd> ph1zzle|laptop, no worries ;)
[05:54] <Hidan> xtknight: yeowch lol
[05:54] <xtknight> cuz we're traitors for using a debian derivative and not Debian itself
[05:54] <Hidan> xtknight: sounds a lot like many Windows users... at the mention of "Linux" , the uglies pop out.
[05:54] <xtknight> childish imo
[05:55] <xtknight> linux needs to work together to beat windows, not these silly distro wars
[05:55] <Thib_G> But I think of a breakage : when I was able to run -13 and -14, -13 did work, whereas -14 didn't ( I tried many times )
[05:55] <xtknight> Thib_G, well what Devices do you have in the mixer
[05:55] <linux_kid> xtknight, i hear you !
[05:55] <Hidan> xtknight: hmmm maybe then again, they get sick of too many Ubuntu users coming in to ask for help?
[05:56] <xtknight> Hidan, there's probably no more than 3 ubuntu users coming in per week there
[05:56] <Thib_G> xtknight:  HDA Intel ( ALSA Mixer ) 
[05:56] <Hidan> xtknight: hah okay
[05:56] <xtknight> for good reason hah
[05:56] <Hidan> xtknight: "for good reason" What doth thou mean?
[05:56] <xtknight> Hidan, i directed somebody there the other day who was having apt-get issues (which turned out to be Debian generic issues believe it or not)
[05:56] <Hidan> xtknight: right and ... ?
[05:57] <shirish> guys, is there any gtk+ iso burning software or its just the command-line way for now?
[05:57] <xtknight> Hidan, was a disaster.  about five people were calling for ops to ban the ubuntu user
[05:57] <misfit_toy> shirish, gnomebaker
[05:57] <Hidan> xtknight: ... ... what did the ops do, then?
[05:57] <xtknight> Hidan, nothing, i guess they were more mature
[05:57] <xtknight> Hidan, called him back to ubuntu and used a packet sniffer and fixed the problems ourselves
[05:58] <Hidan> xtknight: yeah... and if you asked me, a lot of these "trolls" are usually kids or even adults being immature.
[05:58] <shirish> misfit_toy: I already have gnomebaker but do not see .iso being listed there or image files for that matter. Development seems to have stopped in mid 2k5.
[05:58] <xtknight> Hidan, thing is, there's some smart people there willing to help and not insult.  you just have to find the right ones.
[05:58] <Hidan> shirish: oh about burning software, gnomebaker is terrible. try k3b instead.
[05:58] <xtknight> Thib_G, well under Switches is there should be a analog/digital switch
[05:58] <shirish> k3b use kde libs right?
[05:58] <_4strO> shirish: and k3b ?
[05:59] <_4strO> yes
[05:59] <mc44> shirish: yes
[05:59] <xtknight> Thib_G, if you used windows that could have broke the sound config.  windows drivers use a different mechanism, ive had that happen before with my audigy.  it worked in windows but not in linux because of an analog/digital setting
[05:59] <misfit_toy> shirish, under "tools", burn cd image or burn dvd image.
[05:59] <shirish> I was thinking of using something which is more gtk+ based but find there is not a single cd-burning mature software atm
[05:59] <xtknight> nerolinux isnt even that good either
[05:59] <Thib_G> xtknight: I used only linux, since Dapper beta
[06:00] <xtknight> Thib_G, hmm
[06:00] <Thib_G> xtknight: and it had always worked without intervention
[06:00] <shirish> misfit_toy: are u saying about gnomebaker or something else?
[06:00] <xtknight> Thib_G, well as i said it's probably one of the settings
[06:00] <rocky> crochat: hrm... the new nvidia-glx-new drivers aren't letting my X startup, complaining about needing libwfb .... a bit of digging has indicated that the problem is that i'm using vesafb console driver and i need to not be... any ideas?
[06:00] <xtknight> Thib_G, why it changed i dont know but if you want to fix it it's probably in there somewhere
[06:00] <Thib_G> I've not changed the settings, and when I boot the -13 kernel, it works
[06:00] <misfit_toy> shirish, gnomebaker
[06:00] <Hidan> shirish: but then again, there're only 7 developers for gnomebaker... must be tough adding in all those features and fixing all those bugs by themselves.
[06:00] <xtknight> Thib_G, ah well i didn't know that the -13 kernel still worked.  that would be a problem then
[06:01] <xtknight> Thib_G, file a bug?
[06:01] <penguin42> misfit_toy: Does it do muffins?
[06:01] <shirish> Hidan: from where did u get that info?
[06:01] <Thib_G> xtknight: a bug report has already been filed for a few days, it's "confirmed"
[06:01] <xtknight> Thib_G, got the bug#?
[06:01] <shirish> Hidan: i saw the site, nothing is up, then at the sourceforge site, its listed as wanting developers
[06:02] <xtknight> Thib_G, i can check the changelog and see if there were any audio changes.  surprising though
[06:02] <Hidan> shirish: ehhh their sourceforge forums. http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnomebaker
[06:02] <Thib_G> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/105582
[06:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 105582 in linux-source-2.6.20 "snd_hda_intel broken in 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:03] <xtknight> Thib_G, does the output of those commands different from one kernel to the next?
[06:03] <xtknight> Thib_G, i'd compare the outputs if i were you
[06:04] <Thib_G> since the upgraded to -15, I haven't tried the -13 kernel, and it's probably broken with nvidia-glx
[06:04] <Thib_G> and maybe ipw3945
[06:04] <xtknight>  nvidia-glx-new here with -15-lowlatency
[06:04] <xtknight> no problems
[06:04] <xtknight> Source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20
[06:04] <xtknight> Version: 2.6.20.5-15.20
[06:05] <xtknight> but i didnt get the x breakage either from the kernel update.  must have missed me
[06:05] <Thib_G> I've not a X breakage
[06:05] <Thib_G> but nvidia-glx is dependent from the kernel version
[06:05] <crochat> rocky: I cannot install my linux-image because of my 128 exit status code... so I can't go further...
[06:05] <shirish> Hidan: the last anybody worked on Gnomebaker atleast from the cvs is 3 months back
[06:05] <Hidan> shirish: yeah... maybe the developers got really busy.
[06:05] <shirish> Hidan: http://gnomebaker.cvs.sourceforge.net/gnomebaker/gnomebaker/
[06:05] <xtknight> Thib_G, ahh well if you have restricted drivers for whatever kernel it shouldnt be an issue
[06:05] <rocky> hm
[06:06] <Thib_G> ok, I'll reboot and compare outputs
[06:06] <xtknight> Thib_G, i have -14-lowlatency and -15-lowlatency restricted drivers side by side
[06:06] <Hidan> shirish: ah well... i don't use gnomebaker though... but if they improve on it and it gets a lot better, why not. :)
[06:06] <Thib_G> I'll be back
[06:06] <xtknight> k
[06:07] <xtknight> i still dont understand what's going on with the kernel.  is it still broken now or what?
[06:07] <Hidan> shirish: meanwhile, the main thing I wish they'd improve in Ubuntu is Cupsys... It's a devil's magick, I tell ya...
[06:07] <Hidan> xtknight: well, the latest kernel fixes all those problems but... who knows.
[06:08] <crochat> Next Ubuntu will be named Gutsy Gibbon
[06:08] <xtknight> !gutsy
[06:08] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[06:08] <crochat> haha
[06:08] <shirish> Hidan: I hear you, cupsys is devil magic atm, those who know & those who dont I come in the l8ter
[06:08] <misfit_toy> xtknight, I don't understand the kernel thing either, the very latest one out there still hoses X for me.
[06:08] <misfit_toy> I'm back on 14-386
[06:08] <xtknight> 15-generic and no issues
[06:09] <xtknight> do you guys not have restricted-drivers installed ?
[06:09] <misfit_toy> I do
[06:09] <misfit_toy> and nvidia-glx
[06:09] <misfit_toy> beryl
[06:09] <xtknight> what is 'x breakage'?  what's happening?
[06:09] <xtknight>  as in, what's in /var/log/X?
[06:09] <misfit_toy> I think the kernel that went out yesterday wouldn't even boot
[06:09] <xtknight> ya i know that problem, X breakage is separate supposedly
[06:10] <xtknight> i dont understand the details though
[06:10] <Hidan> shirish: it's frightening... even leaving the printer on while restarting Ubuntu totally crashes the system.
[06:10] <xtknight> i dont understand what they could have done to the kernel to make X break
[06:10] <shirish> Hidan: on edgy or on feisty?
[06:10] <xtknight> (as long as you had the proper restricted drivers and everything)
[06:10] <Hidan> shirish: feisty... hell, even in dapper, I also had the problems lol
[06:10] <shirish> xtknight: I had that happening on the -14 kernel
[06:10] <misfit_toy> xtknight, no idea
[06:11] <xtknight> did they apply some oddball patch?  was the kernel upload corrupt?
[06:11] <xtknight> what happened?
[06:11] <shirish> xtknight: was able to login, but after that kaput, had to resort to using magic keys
[06:11] <Hidan> shirish: in the end, i disabled ALL printing-related services
[06:11] <starz> if i copy something to my external usb drive
[06:11] <xtknight> ah magic lol
[06:11] <starz> how come it usually doesnt automatically just write data to disk
[06:11] <xtknight> shirish, oh so it was after X started but before gnome
[06:11] <shirish> Hidan: what to say, its still a developmental prototype
[06:11] <starz> a lot of times it waits till i eject the drive to start writing to it?
[06:11] <cables> Does anyone know if there are any plans to delay Feisty final because of this?
[06:12] <xtknight> starz, because it buffers the data in the memory to speed-up I/O
[06:12] <Hidan> shirish: yeah... although, even in 1995, Win 95 rarely broke 'cos of printer-related issues.
[06:12] <shirish> xtknight: actually I was able to go till the GDM login screen
[06:12] <xtknight> cables, not sure.  do you know any details of what happened with the kernel?
[06:12] <xtknight> win95 crashed about five times a minute ;)
[06:12] <shirish> Hidan: here the issues are different, its 10000 pieces developed by 10000 different developers, being joined by some 30 odd developers
[06:13] <xtknight> well win98 did
[06:13] <Hidan> xtknight: really? that didn't happen for me
[06:13] <cables> xtknight: no idea, just what it says in the topic.
[06:13] <xtknight> yeah tons of issues here
[06:13] <Hidan> xtknight: now win98 LOL...
[06:13] <xtknight> Hidan, maybe it was 98 hah
[06:13] <zPacKRat> win98 rules
[06:13] <xtknight> Hidan, remember that presentation with bill gates and him trying to setup a scanner?  it bluescreened in front of the audience
[06:13] <Hidan> shirish: geez... they need to get more developers.
[06:13] <zPacKRat> but I still use win3.1
[06:13] <xtknight> 'must be a device driver problem' ;)
[06:13] <cables> What I loved most about Win 9x was it would bluescreen if you took a disk out while it was reading
[06:13] <xtknight> cables, hha
[06:14] <xtknight> cables, 'clean the disk it's dirty' that blue screen
[06:14] <xtknight> ;p
[06:14] <Hidan> xtknight: no, i didn't know about that... :p i rarely watched anything with bill gates in it.
[06:14] <atselby> Hey all.
[06:14] <shirish> Hidan: its what came first question, chicken or eggs, figure that one out & thats your answer
[06:14] <atselby> I just noticed since I upgraded to the beta that a subsection of keyboard shortcuts in preferances is missing. Where'd they go?
[06:14] <Hidan> shirish: shirish, what're you trying to hint at? O_o;; and what do those have to do with Cupsys?
[06:14] <cables> I think Linux is now easier to use than Windows. I plug in a scanner, it works. I plug in a printer, it detects the type automatically and selects the appropriate driver. There's literally no need to install drivers.
[06:14] <zPacKRat> yes windows 95 keynote bluescreen, I still have that on my file server somewhere
[06:14] <xtknight> lol
[06:14] <zPacKRat> classic
[06:14] <cables> THAT IS, if there ARE drivers at all. <---- Linux's biggest problem
[06:15] <xtknight> no wonder ACPI support is bad in linux.  bill gates memo http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03020.pdf
[06:15] <Hidan> xtknight: lol... Win98... yeah i remember all those dreaded bluescreens. I used to get them up to 10 times a day. It was amazing my HP Pavilion 8215 actually lasted for 10 years even though Wn98 crashed it out so often.
[06:15] <cables> I am not envying people who are going to be helping out in #u on the 19th and days after. I'm going to steer clear of IRC.
[06:16] <xtknight> Hidan, i'm surprised win98 didnt cause permanent hardware damage
[06:16] <shirish> Hidan: I was trying to hint at the no. of developers thing. They get attracted more where money is, as money rules everywhere
[06:16] <atselby> Anyone?
[06:16] <xtknight> atselby, what subsection is missing?
[06:16] <Hidan> xtknight: oh yeah... me too.
[06:17] <Hidan> shirish: well, didn't opensuse have thousands of developers? like close to 30k developers?
[06:17] <scordes> i've got a problem wih my optical drives. since feisty they don't mount any discs.
[06:17] <atselby> It dealt with workspace switching. I don't recall the exact name.It also if I'm not mistaken was desktop related in general.
[06:17] <xtknight> atselby, yeah i have tons of them with workspace in them
[06:17] <atselby> xtknight: on feisty beta? odd.
[06:17] <Milan> hi
[06:17] <Milan> I've got a new problem since a recent upgrade with beryl
[06:18] <Milan> when I log in (GNOME), the session goes back to gdm
[06:18] <atselby> xtknight: i just figured it out. nevermind. Beryl removes those options.
[06:18] <shirish> Hidan: I do not know about opensuse, but debian boasts of having around 1k developers
[06:18] <Milan> when I retry, this is working, but this will fail if I reboot
[06:18] <Milan> any idea?
[06:19] <xtknight> Milan, kernel problem?
[06:19] <Milan> dunno
[06:19] <_dennis_> is it save again to dist-upgrade, will I be able to reboot?
[06:19] <Milan> the issue is, I have no log
[06:19] <atselby> xtknight: okay , then do you know of a way i can add additional shortcuts?
[06:19] <xtknight> atselby, hmm not really.  manually via xmodmap perhaps
[06:19] <Milan> if I disable Beryl-manager, this is avoided - and starting it manually doesn't make any bug
[06:19] <atselby> xtknight: by remapping? okay.
[06:19] <xtknight> atselby, er i dont know.  i thikn that was the cmd but maybe not
[06:20] <xtknight> beryl is a can of worms for me
[06:20] <xtknight> it's always crashing
[06:20] <penguin42> xtknight: With nspluginwrapper did you have any problems with it during the install saying preloader not found ?
[06:20] <xtknight> they really need to solidify it before it goes into Gutsy
[06:20] <xtknight> i get a different problem every time i try it
[06:20] <Milan> xtknight: yes :-) but that's new - what's the issue with the new kernel ?
[06:20] <xtknight> penguin42, dont remembetr
[06:21] <xtknight> Milan, see the topic
[06:21] <atselby> beryl woks pretty much fine for me.
[06:21] <penguin42> xtnight: OK
[06:21] <atselby> i just have a few complaints about things it cant do properly.
[06:21] <atselby> Namely revolving aroudn worksapce management
[06:21] <xtknight> opensuse/compiz worked pretty well.  im not a fan of the beryl project though.  it seems like they made it much more unstable since
[06:21] <penguin42> compiz seems to be working ok on this machine - but the thing is that for stuf flike that you need 3D drivers that actually work
[06:21] <concept10> I cant log into my system with GDM, but starting in recovery mode and using startx works.  What is broken here?  is it my GDM config?
[06:21] <penguin42> (and one reason I bought this laptop is because it has intel 945)
[06:22] <atselby> xtknight: i tried to use the compiz installed by default with feisty and it doesnt show me my window decorations. otherwise id just stick with that.
[06:22] <misfit_toy> beryl works here, but compiz always has no window decorations
[06:22] <xtknight> too bad installing compiz is like trying to knock the earth off its axis with one person jumping
[06:22] <penguin42> concept10: How far does it get?  And are you trying to login as a normal user (not root?)
[06:22] <atselby> yeah. i have the same problem as misfit_toy
[06:22] <xtknight> atselby, same here
[06:22] <misfit_toy> atselby, more themes for beryl anyway.
[06:22] <xtknight> atselby, no window decs i think
[06:22] <Milan> xtknight: I'm using kernel -15.25, so the issue is not this
[06:23] <concept10> penguin42: A regular boot loads fine, and when I try to enter my name in the login box, it just locks up.
[06:23] <Milan> where can I find informations on the issue?
[06:23] <atselby> misfit_toy: yeah but im not one to change from what i had before honestly so a bunch of themes doesnt matter to me. but editing them does.
[06:23] <xtknight> Milan, not sure
[06:23] <penguin42> concept10: Oh that's odd
[06:23] <atselby> xtknight: yeah, it worked the first time but then the window decorations died. and no one has helped me with it.
[06:23] <penguin42> concept10: Anything in any logs?
[06:23] <fitawav> what version of the kernal is 2007014 using?
[06:23] <concept10> I see im going to have to replace GDM
[06:23] <concept10> penguin42: why does everyone ask that question?  What log?
[06:24] <xtknight> atselby, ya it's unpredictable...all of a sudden my decorations will be gone and it's like i'm using a single-app system because i cant switch windows properly without the decorations
[06:24] <misfit_toy> concept10, /var/log/messages
[06:24] <atselby> xtknight: yeah except for me they dont ever load anymore.
[06:24] <misfit_toy> or just "dmesg" in a term
[06:24] <penguin42> concept10: Because it might just  tell you why it screwed up!  I'd check the bottom of /var/log/messages and /var/log/xorg.0.log
[06:24] <StyXman>           ubotu breakage
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about breakage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <xtknight> atselby, beryl is a mess imo, there's like no logs of what's going on or why it's crashing.  always unstable
[06:25] <StyXman> sock
[06:25] <concept10> dmesg, /v/l/messages or xorg.0.log doesnt say anything alarming
[06:25] <atselby> xtknight: i find that odd because ive never had a crash with it.
[06:25] <PriceChild> xtknight, and compiuz is better for that?
[06:25] <Thib_G> xtknight: here is the diff file : http://pastebin.ca/439868
[06:25] <xtknight> PriceChild, didnt have a single problem with compiz on opensuse after i got it set up
[06:25] <Thib_G> ( diff old-kernel-report new-kernel-report )
[06:25] <xtknight> atselby, well you said you had no window decorations?
[06:25] <PriceChild> xtknight, I don't have a single problem with beryl :)
[06:25] <atselby> xtknight: thats in compiz not beryl. but yes.
[06:26] <PriceChild> xtknight, I accept however that small variations mean one may work better for people, and not for others
[06:26] <fitawav> if i download the build dated today, and image from that will my machine break when it updates?
[06:26] <ToHellWithGA> beryl hurt my computer
[06:26] <xtknight> PriceChild, well it works sometimes but it's not what i would call rock solid
[06:26] <xtknight> on my pc at least
[06:26] <PriceChild> xtknight, now you see i would call it rock solid for me :)
[06:26] <ToHellWithGA> beryl makes my xserver-xorg wind up my processor to 100% for hours on end
[06:26] <atselby> Yeah, I agree with pricechild. I think I just got lucky with having no problems with it.
[06:27] <xtknight> ya well
[06:27] <PriceChild> xtknight, and I wouldn't tell people that one is better than the other for stability
[06:27] <xtknight> ive got lucky with other things.  i guess beryl is my unlucky thing huh?
[06:27] <xtknight> e.g. i havent had my kernel break
[06:27] <concept10> I guess its time to wipe this system after three years
[06:27] <xtknight> as long as it's breaking for one person though, the code is poor imo
[06:28] <xtknight> i wouldnt call this kernel rock solid if it's breaking for 50 other people but not me
[06:28] <Milan> the strange point her is that when I reboot, the first time I have a crash, and not the second time
[06:28] <concept10> xtknight: this kernel branch has had more problems than any other one
[06:28] <atselby> thats the only thing that's holding Linux and open source in general back is that it doesnt always owrk for everyone.
[06:28] <Milan> even if I kill all my processes
[06:29] <fitawav> Windows doesn't always work on the first try either for alot of folks
[06:29] <fitawav> look at vista.
[06:29] <atselby> speaking of kernal updates concept10, i just did the daily upgrades and it says i need a reboot. would this be the kernal update that's problem inducing?
[06:29] <xtknight> i think the main reason Beryl missed ubuntu was because of stability and solidity
[06:29] <xtknight> not that compiz got in, either.
[06:29] <xtknight> but both need lots of work imo
[06:29] <fitawav> atselby after i rebooted my machine would not load into gnome
[06:30] <concept10> atselby:the -14 kernel is a problem child
[06:30] <Milan> fitawav: you too
[06:30] <Milan> maybe the same issue then
[06:30] <fitawav> yes
[06:30] <Milan> and the second time you try?
[06:30] <fitawav> i'm running off my live CD
[06:30] <fitawav> nothing.
[06:30] <misfit_toy> concept10, it's backwards for me, 15 breaks X but 14 works ok.
[06:30] <atselby> concept10: and i presume taht is the one from today...
[06:30] <fitawav> tried 3 times then gave up
[06:30] <heno> system software generally does /not work/ by default on new hardware. Someone has to make it work
[06:30] <atselby> fitavav: how did you fix it?
[06:30] <fitawav> let it sit for several mintes with just a spinning courser
[06:30] <fitawav> i haven't.. thats why i'm here
[06:30] <Milan> fitawav: did you see the splashscreen at least?
[06:30] <fitawav> yes
[06:30] <atselby> fitawav: ah.
[06:30] <Milan> ok
[06:31] <Milan> same as here
[06:31] <atselby> well then i aint gonna reboot then..
[06:31] <Milan> do you use beryl ?
[06:31] <misfit_toy> lol
[06:31] <fitawav> i cannot find any info on how to recover the installtion
[06:31] <fitawav> i don't think so
[06:31] <xtknight> Milan, did yours work without beryl?
[06:31] <macd> !info postgresql-8.1
[06:31] <fitawav> i'm downloading today's build and am planning on reimaging..
[06:31] <Milan> and ~/.xsession tells something ?
[06:31] <ubotu> postgresql-8.1: object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server. In component universe, is optional. Version 8.1.8-1ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 4260 kB, installed size 12996 kB
[06:32] <concept10> I just so happen to log out of my system and now i'm not able to get back in unless I use recovery mode
[06:32] <Milan> xtknight: yes, that's the only hint I have to accuse it
[06:33] <FOAD> Hey.
[06:33] <gortiz_> sorry, someone could tell me why my ide drive are under /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda?
[06:33] <fitawav> if i reimage with todays build and let it update will i be back in the same boat?
[06:33] <FOAD> X is broken.. help?
[06:33] <Thib_G> gortiz_: because libata handle IDE and SATA
[06:33] <Thib_G> xtknight: X were broken, nvidia-glx API mismatch
[06:33] <gortiz_> and so the ubuntu mantainers have setted all ide disk under /sd
[06:34] <Milan> fitawav: no idea... haven't you any info on your issue (logs)?
[06:34] <gortiz_> /dev/sd*?
[06:34] <Thib_G> gortiz_: yes
[06:34] <FOAD> I'm on the latest kernel.
[06:34] <xtknight> FOAD, kernel issues are rampant
[06:34] <xtknight> even with -15
[06:34] <fitawav> i'm very new at this, how would i pull the logs nessisary?
[06:34] <penguin42> xtknight: Ah - I was missing the 'linux32' package
[06:34] <FOAD> Ok..
[06:34] <penguin42> now the nswrapper thing runs - pity it still doesn't show up as a plugin
[06:34] <Milan> fitawav: less ~./xsession-errors
[06:34] <gortiz_> tnx Thib_G
[06:35] <Milan> and less /var/log/X***
[06:35] <xtknight> penguin42, hrmm it is kinda confusing to install.  i cant really remember how i did it.  im on 32bit now because of 64bit frustration :\
[06:35] <fitawav> no such file or directory
[06:35] <Milan> fitawav: you're on a live CD ?
[06:35] <fitawav> yes
[06:35] <penguin42> xtknight: Nod - by golly this things got a 64 bit cpu and I'm going to use it.....
[06:35] <Milan> so try to find your home folder on the harddisk
[06:36] <xtknight> penguin42, mine's 64bit too but it is faster in 32bit mode so im using 32bit.
[06:36] <fitawav> done
[06:36] <xtknight> faster in 32 for most cases anyhow
[06:36] <xtknight> bigger number doesnt make it better or faster
[06:36] <xtknight> i could care less honestly
[06:36] <xtknight> i just use what works best and that's 32bit for me, in both performance and compatibility
[06:36] <Milan> fitawav: so the file is ".xsession-errors" in your home folder
[06:36] <xtknight> not as if i'm wasting my64bit cpu
[06:36] <penguin42> xtknight: Which CPU is it?   In theory the extra registers in 64 bit mode are supposed to help - but pointers are bigger so you lose on some cache performance
[06:36] <fitawav> found it
[06:37] <xtknight> penguin42, intel core 2 (it has an optimization in 32bit mode that does not exist in 64 thus a lot of code can execute faster in 32)
[06:37] <fitawav> alarm-queue.c:2123 (alarm_queue_remove_async)
[06:37] <fitawav> alarm-queue.c:2095 (remove_client_alarms) - size 0
[06:37] <fitawav> alarm-queue.c:2128 (alarm_queue_remove_async) - Disconnecting Client
[06:37] <fitawav> alarm-queue.c:2137 (alarm_queue_remove_async) - Disconnecting Query
[06:37] <fitawav> alarm-queue.c:1946 (alarm_queue_done)
[06:37] <penguin42> xtknight: Ah this is also a core2 - which optimization is that?
[06:37] <Milan> fitawav: this is evolution, I have it too, not the problem
[06:37] <atselby> so which kernal again is the one that is problem inducing?
[06:37] <atselby> 2.6.20-14?
[06:37] <fitawav> okay, what am i looking for in this log?
[06:37] <xtknight> penguin42, http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-64bit.html
[06:38] <fitawav> i have alot of theme errors
[06:38] <penguin42> xtknight: Thanks
[06:38] <xtknight> atselby, nobody knows.  people are having problems with both, some more problems with the latest
[06:38] <atselby> xtknight: which update was released today? do you know?
[06:38] <fitawav> (nm-applet:5385): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme directory 48x48/mimetypes of theme Snow-Apple has no size field
[06:38] <Milan> fitawav:can you post me everything in a private chat ?
[06:38] <xtknight> atselby, -15.25 is in the repositories
[06:38] <atselby> xtknight: okay. it appears i am using a kernal from monday the 2nd.
[06:38] <FOAD> So, can I go back to a kernel so that my nvidia-glx works?
[06:38] <FOAD> (And how?)
[06:38] <atselby> xtknight: which doesnt make much sense to me since ive rebooted but.
[06:38] <xtknight> Linux andy-desktop 2.6.20-15-lowlatency #2 SMP PREEMPT Sat Apr 14 00:57:08 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:39] <fitawav> sure
[06:39] <xtknight> mine was built today, i guess
[06:39] <atselby> Huhm,. kinda weird then.
[06:40] <xtknight> i had no problems with any kernel over the past week
[06:40] <xtknight> which is even weider
[06:40] <xtknight> weirder*
[06:40] <concept10> Which .xsession-errors is used for logging during a normal boot?  Is it the /root/ or /home/user/ one?
[06:40] <xtknight> as long as i had my restricted modules updated no issues
[06:40] <xtknight> concept10, user
[06:40] <xtknight> if you login as user during gdm
[06:40] <xtknight> if you login as root then /root/
[06:41] <xtknight> assuming you even have root enabled
[06:41] <concept10> what if you cant login at all?  where do I find the error messages?
[06:41] <xtknight>  /var/log/gdm
[06:42] <penguin42> xtknight: Interesting article  - I wonder wtf they didn't manage to do that optimisation in 64 bit - it doesn't feel related does it!
[06:42] <fitawav> sorry irc locked
[06:42] <MajorPayne> You have "/msg ubotu breakage" in your topic but ubotu says it knows nothing of breakage.
[06:46] <Milan> fitwaw: are you alive? :-)
[06:47] <fitawav> yes
[06:47] <fitawav> i msged you but you didn't respond
[06:47] <concept10> this metapackage madness needs to stop.  Why would apt suggest that I install nvidia-glx and other packages when I do not have any of those chipsets on my computer?
[06:47] <fitawav> i tried to paste the log into a private chat and irc locked
[06:47] <fitawav> :(
[06:47] <penguin42> fitawav: Try using a paste bin
[06:47] <Milan> yes
[06:47] <fitawav> paste  bin?
[06:48] <xtknight> penguin42, different instructions i guess
[06:48] <xtknight> penguin42, didnt bother (deadlines, etc)
[06:48] <Bubble> !paste | fitawav
[06:48] <Milan> http://paste.lisp.org/
[06:48] <ubotu> fitawav: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:49] <xtknight> tonyyarusso, many are having trouble with -15-25 actually i believe
[06:49] <xtknight> some more trouble than with -14
[06:49] <xtknight> not sure though it could be restricted drivers
[06:49] <tonyyarusso> xtknight: I don't know what sorts though, and !breakage doesn't exist anymore.  Let me know if there's something more concrete to go on
[06:50] <penguin42> xtknight: Just got Flash working - thanks; the two none obviouses were needing 'linux32' installed (as well as the lib packages) and putting the symlink in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins because it had only put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[06:50] <xtknight> tonyyarusso, yeah i wish there was also.  i dont understand as i havent had any trouble
[06:50] <xtknight> i havent seen a log and basically have no idea what's happening
[06:50] <xtknight> wasnt it something to do with ATA/hpa ?
[06:50] <ALL4N> hi, I'm having problems installing vmware server on feisty. It stops during the compilation stage. Any suggestions?
[06:51] <xtknight> penguin42, ah kewl
[06:51] <fitawav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15613/
[06:51] <fitawav> let me know if that works
[06:52] <xtknight> tonyyarusso, you dont happen to know what went on with the kernel?  bad upload or unstable patch?
[06:52] <penguin42> ALL4N: Someone else was on earlier who posted a link to a fix for the compilation but said it still didn't work later
[06:52] <xtknight> fitawav, what's all that?
[06:52] <xtknight> wow
[06:52] <fitawav> the .xsession log i was told to post
[06:53] <xtknight> mine's like 3 lines long lol
[06:53] <syke> hi
[06:53] <Milan> fitawav: look in /var/crash for recent files
[06:53] <fitawav> i guess i got issue..
[06:53] <Milan> looks like there's a crash
[06:53] <tonyyarusso> xtknight: no idea - I wasn't even affected, since I hadn't rebooted in a week
[06:53] <xtknight> tonyyarusso, ahh ive rebooted both into -14 and -15 without issue actually
[06:54] <shark-1> when i try to install anything or update i get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15604/ and i cant fix it any help?
[06:54] <fitawav> i have found that folder, what are you looking for..
[06:54] <ALL4N> penguin42: I found this http://linux.go2linux.org/node/30, but it does not work
[06:54] <fitawav> there are alot of files in here
[06:54] <ALL4N> penguin42: It used to work on edgy..
[06:54] <xtknight> ALL4N, type sudo apt-get update
[06:54] <xtknight> err sorry not you
[06:54] <xtknight> shark-1, type sudo apt-get update
[06:54] <xtknight> and report the exact err
[06:54] <fitawav> found 1 dated today
[06:54] <shark-1> xtknight i did
[06:54] <fitawav> others are prior
[06:54] <shark-1> i will pastebin it
[06:54] <Milan> fitawav: ls -l /var/crash and try top see if there are some from today
[06:55] <xtknight> shark-1, that is the log of instal xchat
[06:55] <Milan> opk
[06:55] <xtknight> what about update?
[06:55] <fitawav> let me post it
[06:55] <Thib_G> still searching why the HDA Intel is broken...
[06:55] <ToHellWithGA> Thib_G: do you have a desktop?
[06:55] <penguin42> ALL4N: The guy before had it compiling but whenever he ran it it told him he needed to reconfigure even straight after apparently successfully configuring
[06:55] <atselby> brb all
[06:55] <ToHellWithGA> i just don't use my hda intel audio stuff
[06:55] <Thib_G> ToHellWithGA: no, a laptop ( A8Jm )
[06:55] <atselby> gonna just log out/in to reset some things.
[06:55] <ToHellWithGA> i bought a nice m-audio card
[06:56] <ToHellWithGA> perhaps m-audio has a pc-card that would work for you
[06:56] <ToHellWithGA> or creative if you wanna go evil empire on it
[06:56] <shark-1> ok when i try to upgrade i get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15615/
[06:56] <xtknight> x-fi has no support yet
[06:56] <xtknight> audigy2 is a decent card thou
[06:56] <xtknight> shark-1, sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get update
[06:57] <ToHellWithGA> xtknight: thou misusest "thou" in place of "though"
[06:57] <Thib_G> I don't want to buy a new card... It's clearly an ubuntu bug, it worked fine until the -14 kernel
[06:57] <ALL4N> penguin42: hmm.. well, if I can get it to compile first, then I'll have to see about the other problem when I reach it. I found some posts on ubuntu website now, I'll look into them first
[06:57] <Milan> shark-1: even 'apt-get clean' maybe
[06:57] <xtknight> eh? :P
[06:57] <xtknight> tho*
[06:57] <Milan> ok i 've to go
[06:57] <fitawav> here is the crash from today: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15617/
[06:57] <Milan> sorry fitawav
[06:57] <fitawav> :(
[06:57] <Milan> that's netowrk-manager
[06:58] <xtknight> yeah
[06:58] <shark-1> ok here is what happens
[06:58] <xtknight> network-manager has been a can of worms lately too
[06:58] <shark-1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15619/
[06:58] <fitawav> is there a way to re-install?
[06:58] <xtknight> shark-1, hrm that's odd
[06:58] <penguin42> ALL4N: OK according to my scroll back he was saying off that node/30 site is a download for an update 108 I think - but actually htere is now a 109
[06:58] <shark-1> yea and i have tried to reinstall it and to no luck
[06:58] <xtknight> shark-1, odd but some stuff here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=list+%22is+missing+final+newline%22&btnG=Google+Search
[06:59] <xtknight> shark-1, fix on the first reuslt
[07:02] <syke> hi
[07:02] <syke> knetworkmanager was working great for me with feisty, but stopped working about a week ago
[07:02] <FOAD> Hey, even when I go back to an old kernel (-12) I now get "(EE) Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!".  What can be done to fix this?
[07:02] <syke> I have a bcm43xx driver/chipset, using WPA
[07:03] <syke> my old shell script still works, as it always has, but knetworkmanager stopped working
[07:03] <davisc> Anyone remind we what changes I need to make to have root on an LVM LV?
[07:03] <syke> I last updated and rebooted yesterday
[07:03] <syke> knetworkmanager just isn't picking up any wireless anything
[07:04] <syke> it at least should be listing my neighbors' access points like it used to :)
[07:05] <syke> I've tried rm'ing my knetworkmanagerrc, which doesn't seem to fix things
[07:05] <stevethepirate> um
[07:05] <syke> iwlist eth1 scanning produces the correct list of access points
[07:05] <fitawav> any way to recover from this crash? ?
[07:05] <stevethepirate> how would i unpack and install a tarball?
[07:05] <penguin42> has anyone else noticed their network dropping during apt-get upgrades?
[07:06] <syke> so the hardware and driver appear to be semi-ok
[07:06] <fitawav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15617/
[07:06] <shark-1> xtknight it worked
[07:06] <penguin42> stevethepirate: unpack with tar -xvf blah.tar
[07:06] <stevethepirate> ah
[07:06] <xtknight> shark-1, ahh cool
[07:06] <stevethepirate> thats it.
[07:06] <stevethepirate> thanks penguin42
[07:06] <shark-1> xtknight: that you tons
[07:06] <penguin42> stevethepirate: If it is compressed tehn  tar -xvzf blah.tar.gz
[07:06] <shark-1> xtknight: gotta restart so brb
[07:06] <stevethepirate> howto tell?
[07:06] <xtknight> k
[07:06] <stevethepirate> if cmpressed or not?
[07:06] <penguin42> stevethepirate: If it ends in gz it is gzip'd and needs the 'z' in the options
[07:06] <xtknight> "tar xf" will extract tar, tar gz, or tar bz2
[07:07] <penguin42> xtnight: Since when?
[07:07] <xtknight> try it
[07:07] <atselby> Back
[07:07] <atselby> sucessfull total reboot.
[07:07] <xtknight> since Edgy i think
[07:07] <atselby> so it seems the kernal problems arent affecting some people..
[07:07] <penguin42> xtknight: Oh great - I didn't realise they'd actually got round to doing it
[07:07] <xtknight> i prefer "tar xvf".  dont need the j for bz2 or g for bz
[07:07] <xtknight> gz*
[07:07] <xtknight> and v so i can see what's extracted
[07:08] <davisc> Anyone else confirm that today's feisty ISO for AMD64 is broken?
[07:08] <syke> how do I go about requesting that a package be updated for feisty? monodevelop 0.12 is what installs, but 0.13.1 is when it first became usable
[07:08] <xtknight> not sure but it does happen
[07:08] <stevethepirate> penguin42: i need it installed... not just unpacked.
[07:09] <xtknight> syke, ask in #ubuntu-motu
[07:09] <davisc> 2 debs (xkb-data and zlibg) were corrupt
[07:09] <penguin42> stevethepirate: tar's themselves don't have a standard way of installing - they are just collections of files
[07:09] <stevethepirate> well
[07:09] <stevethepirate> how would i install then?
[07:09] <penguin42> stevethepirate: Does the tar have a 'readme' or 'install' in the top directory?
[07:09] <atselby> who was it here who couldn't use the default/compiz effects in feisty?
[07:09] <atselby> just found the problem for me at least.
[07:10] <stevethepirate> install.sh ?
[07:10] <penguin42> sounds promising!
[07:10] <stevethepirate> now what?
[07:10] <atselby> xtknight: was that you who had the missing window decorations?
[07:11] <atselby> xtknight:i just resolved it via the effects channel. you have to change the window decorations manager to metacity which is odd.
[07:11] <penguin42> stevethepirate: It's all up to the guy who made the tar - tar isn't designed to do anything magical for you - that's why ubuntu uses 'deb' and redhat uses 'rpm' that also have scripts that get run during installs
[07:11] <xtknight> atselby, ya hmm but i dont want metacity
[07:11] <xtknight> atselby, i wanted Emerald
[07:11] <penguin42> stevethepirate: You need to read what ever docs came with the thing you just untar'd
[07:11] <atselby> xtknight: yeah, it works with the most recent version of emerald.
[07:12] <atselby> xtknight: not with the default with beryl it seems...
[07:12] <stevethepirate> okay
[07:12] <Hidan> hmmmm btw,does anyone ever get this message while booting up? "sda6(partition no.) has been mounted ____ times without checking." Then, some process will run and after that,Ubuntu will load.
[07:12] <stevethepirate> i just sudo ./install.sh and it worked ;)
[07:12] <penguin42> Hidan: Yes - it's just a check
[07:12] <Hidan> penguin42: oh phew... :P
[07:13] <penguin42> Hidan: It is best just to check filesystems every so often just to check nothing has gone wrong with them - but it can take quite a while on a big disc
[07:13] <Arwen> uh, I'd updating apt at 1300bps.... are the servers really hammered?
[07:13] <Hidan> penguin42: oh it's certainly okay... :)  I just didn't want this to be yet another "error message" XD
[07:13] <Hidan> man this channel certainly rocks.
[07:14] <xtknight> mine fscks all the time
[07:14] <Hidan> i've learnt more about an o/s than i've ever done so in 2 weeks. :p
[07:15] <Hidan> :D
[07:15] <atselby> anyone know of where/if there is a config/settings anything in the compiz in desktop effects on feisty?
[07:15] <atselby> i cant find one.
[07:16] <Hidan> xtknight: fscks ? what does that mean? :P
[07:16] <Fylk> Any other US users updates failng?
[07:16] <Arwen> Hidan, replace the first 's' with a 'u'
[07:17] <Fylk> Hey, guys, I have a glitch. I turned off my gnome proxy, yet the updater is still using it. Fix?
[07:17] <Hidan> arwen: xtknight: oh i thought that was a command lol
[07:17] <Arwen> !fsck
[07:17] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[07:17] <Arwen> it is
[07:17] <Hidan> arwen: ... ...
[07:17] <Arwen> words can have multiple meanings..
[07:17] <Hidan> Arwen: lol
[07:17] <penguin42> Hidan: fsck checks and fixes filesystems - it is what stops Unix like systems wiping themselves into oblivion if you just pull the plug
[07:17] <Arwen> what does "Hidan" mean, btw?
[07:18] <Hidan> Arwen: ooh so it checks huh... much like WinXP's chckdisk
[07:18] <penguin42> (well prior to journalling)
[07:18] <Hidan> Arwen: oh it's a character from a manga.
[07:18] <Arwen> narutard...
[07:18] <Hidan> Arwen: HEY!
[07:18] <Fylk> Hey guys, how do I turn the proxy off for the update manager?
[07:19] <Hidan> Arwen: :p just 'cos i like that manga very much don't mean i'm a six year old, thank you very much. =)
[07:19] <Naddiseo> Hello all, anyone want to verify a firefox bug for me :p
[07:19] <Hidan> penguin42: lol... wiping themselves into oblivion... sounds a lot like what Windows tends to do, from time to time.
[07:19] <Arwen> dunno, I find Naruto to lack sophistication, but we're digressing..
[07:19] <Fylk> Naddiseo, what is your glitch?
[07:19] <Arwen> Naddiseo, sure? as long as it doesn't involve goatse
[07:19] <Naddiseo> lol, no
[07:19] <penguin42> Hidan: fsck is your friend, treat it well
[07:20] <Hidan> Arwen: yeah well... it's simple and good ... my cup of tea. anyways yeah we're going off-topic lol
[07:20] <Naddiseo> goto http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Demos and scroll up and down without changing tab or making the window loose focus
[07:20] <Hidan> penguin42: you mean "my girlfriend" :D
[07:20] <Arwen> Hidan, I'm into sophisticated plots :-\
[07:20] <Arwen> fsck can only do so much :-\
[07:20] <penguin42> Hidan: But not quite as demanding
[07:21] <Hidan> arwen: ah i like sophistication but it's to be carried out well. :p Too many stories try to be too complicated and end up with a mess.
[07:21] <Arwen> Hidan, hehe
[07:21] <Fylk> Why can't synaptic use the same proxy as the default gnome
[07:21] <Hidan> penguin42: hey, i wouldn't know. :P I've never had a girlfriend. I'm neither bisexual or a lesbian. :)
[07:21] <Arwen> fsck.xfs.... "do nothing, successfully"
[07:21] <Arwen> Hidan, there are no girls on teh interwebs!
[07:22] <Hidan> Arwen: ... ... riiighhhtttt xD
[07:22] <Tm_T> Arwen: stop that right there
[07:22] <Hidan> Arwen: fsck.xfs?
[07:22] <Arwen> Tm_T, ....
[07:22] <penguin42> Arwen: I think xfs has more extreme tools for fixing it - and from my experience it needs it
[07:22] <Arwen> Hidan, anyway, yeah, fsck's executables are named as suck - fsck.<filesystem type>
[07:22] <Tm_T> Arwen: offtopic and not very polite
[07:23] <Hidan> Tm_T : gods, he/she was only just joking. :p
[07:23] <Tm_T> Hidan: I know, but at some point one joke can be too much :(
[07:23] <Arwen> so, fsck.ext2, fsck.reiserfs, fsck.msdos
[07:23] <Hidan> Arwen: suck - fsck. ???! ROFLMAO ... that's a very innocuous naming system. :p
[07:23] <Hidan> Tm_T : ah well... true, true.
[07:24] <Naddiseo> Anyone able to get firefox to not render the bottom of the site properly?
[07:24] <Arwen> Naddiseo, how do you scroll that???
[07:24] <Arwen> it's one page
[07:25] <fitawav> how do i see what kernel i'm running?
[07:25] <Arwen> fitawav, uname -r
[07:25] <fitawav> ty
[07:25] <Naddiseo> Well, there's a javsscript bar at the bottom of your window
[07:25] <Flosoft> hey
[07:25] <Naddiseo> when you scroll it doesn't redraw properly
[07:25] <Flosoft> I have just installed Feisty Beta 64bit
[07:25] <Arwen> Naddiseo, oh, javascript, sorry, I have noscript on
[07:25] <Naddiseo> until you make it loose foxus
[07:25] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: 2.0.0.3?
[07:25] <Flosoft> I am having trouble with my Samba
[07:26] <Naddiseo> yes gnomefreak
[07:26] <Flosoft> I want to sync usernames / passwords
[07:26] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: give me a minute on that
[07:26] <Naddiseo> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.3 (Ubuntu-feisty)
[07:26] <Arwen> Naddiseo, yeah, bug is verified
[07:26] <Flosoft> but apparantly it doesn't work :S
[07:26] <Naddiseo> Ok.
[07:26] <Flosoft> !samba
[07:26] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[07:26] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: can i have a link as example
[07:26] <Naddiseo> gnomefreak, http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Demos
[07:27] <Flosoft> anyone able to help?
[07:27] <Naddiseo> What's your trouble Flosoft ?
[07:28] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: you scroll on that link?
[07:28] <Naddiseo> Yeah,
[07:28] <Naddiseo> down about 1/2page
[07:28] <gnomefreak> mine shows up without a scroll bar
[07:28] <Naddiseo> it doesn't render properly
[07:28] <Naddiseo> do you have javascript on?
[07:28] <gnomefreak> i will see if he has a scroll
[07:28] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: yes
[07:28] <Flosoft> well .. I want Samba to sync my unix username automatically
[07:28] <Naddiseo> It's a semi transparent bar
[07:28] <Naddiseo> with
[07:28] <Naddiseo> script.aculo.us wiki StikiPad  script.aculo.us
[07:28] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: join me in #ubuntu-mozillateam please
[07:28] <Naddiseo> written on it
[07:28] <Naddiseo> Kk
[07:30] <Hidan> !initng
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initng - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <hylje> !anything
[07:31] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[07:31] <hylje> i knew
[07:32] <concept10> what display manager does xfce use by default?
[07:32] <concept10> I meant xubuntu
[07:32] <Flosoft> !swat
[07:32] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[07:35] <Gambaroni> When I installed beryl and then start it. The screen just goes totally white, I can still rotate the cube and so on. How do I fix it?
[07:36] <Hidan> !reiserfs
[07:36] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.
[07:36] <Hidan> huh
[07:36] <Hidan> notoriously long to moutn
[07:37] <penguin42> yeh - on a large filesystem you can start worrying that it has hung
[07:38] <Hidan> penguin42: geez. lol
[07:38] <concept10> What display manager does Xubuntu use by default?
[07:38] <davisc> Anyone here with experience on LVM? I've installed Feisty but I can't boot because it won't mount the root FS that's an LVM LV
[07:38] <Hidan> penguin42: also, wasn't the founder of reiserfs convicted of murder?
[07:39] <bf> Hidan: charges filed, IIRC
[07:39] <Hidan> bf: scary, huh... it's a tragedy that if he'd learnt to control his emotions, perhaps this wouldn't have happened.
[07:39] <Hidan> *control his emotions better
[07:40] <atselby> can anyone tell me where the session data is stored?
[07:40] <atselby> namely the commands/processes to run at startup
[07:40] <bf> i know he had trouble on interfacing lkml, but if everyone who had ml issues escalated to muder...
[07:41] <Hidan> bf: lkml? well, it was likely conflict with his wife and then ... snap
[07:41] <atselby> anyone?
[07:41] <bf> linux kernel mailing list
[07:42] <Hidan> bf: okay what does "interfacing" mean anyways?
[07:43] <bf> Hidan: i meant that he had trouble working on lkml; he was known for being difficult
[07:43] <Hidan> bf: oh i see...
[07:45] <Hidan> btw, what's everyone's boot-time for feisty like? ^^
[07:46] <crochat> guilty
[07:46] <Hidan> crochat: huh?
[07:46] <Naddiseo> Mm, about a minute Hidan
[07:46] <ScarFreewill> boot time = about 14 sec
[07:46] <crochat> Hidan: Sorry... I don't remember the name of the next Ubuntu
[07:47] <Naddiseo> gusty
[07:47] <Hidan> crochat: huh? i never asked about that.
[07:47] <Naddiseo> gutsy
[07:47] <Naddiseo> *
[07:47] <andrew> Gutsy Gibbon
[07:47] <ScarFreewill> whats the version that goes with that name?
[07:47] <bf> is GG scheduled for 10.07?
[07:48] <crochat> bf: Haha ! 10.07 ! 2010 ?? Nooo, before that... realy ;-)
[07:48] <bf> hehe.  woops.  reversed.
[07:48] <penguin42> Hidan: I don't believe he's actually been convicted - but IMHO that's irrelevant; there are a lot of guys who work on it and it's a pretty decent FS these days
[07:48] <Hidan> penguin42: yeah well
[07:49] <Arwen> say, does the nvidia driver work yet?
[07:49] <Hidan> penguin42: I could care less about whether he's been convicted or not... then again, only will conclusive police work lead to a proper conviction of the responsible party.
[07:50] <stevethepirate> um
[07:50] <stevethepirate> i have firefox with a mac theme... but now, like when i download, it directs me to mac version's of everything... howto cahnge that but keep the theme?
[07:51] <ScarFreewill> whats the version that goes with gg eg. 7.04 goes with ff?
[07:51] <mc44> 7.10
[07:51] <Naddiseo> I can't wait :p I want more breakage!
[07:51] <Arwen> stevethepirate, uh... fix your usr agent string
[07:51] <Hidan> oh and my Feisty actually takes about 1 min to boot up, even after enabling several tweaks like Parallel booting and so on.
[07:51] <stevethepirate> Arwen: huh? How?
[07:52] <Hidan> i just hope to learn more and tweak it more
[07:52] <ScarFreewill> whats on the roadmap for it eg. feisty is ment to improve laptop and wifi support?
[07:53] <Arwen> stevethepirate, go to "about:config", and change the "general.useragent.override" key
[07:53] <Arwen> ScarFreewill, yes, there's supposed to be better wi-fi support
[07:53] <crochat> Dapper Drake (D), Edgy Eft (E), Feisty Fawn (F), Gusty Gibbon (G)... seems that the idea came with Dapper, cause before, it wasn't alpha ordered
[07:54] <Suurorca> ...what happened to Gruesome Gorilla...
[07:54] <ScarFreewill> Hidan: delete folders like /etc/rc0.d , rc1.d , rc2.d .... and init.d that too makes your pc boot much quicker         -KIDING
[07:54] <Arwen> Suurorca, :-)
[07:54] <Hidan> scarfreewill: like i'll just randomly delete folders for fun. :p Or take advice from a stranger without any backing up from the others.
[07:55] <bf> Hidan:  if I back up the suggestion will you do it?  =)
[07:55] <Hidan> bf: no lol
[07:55] <ScarFreewill> lol
[07:56] <Hidan> bf: because from what i know, anything in /etc/ and many other folders are core components of ubuntu. Tinker with them too much and you're screwed.
[07:56] <crochat> Gusty Gibbon will be the new LTS, right ?
[07:56] <mc44> no
[07:56] <mc44> and its gutsy not gusty
[07:57] <Hidan> Gusty Gibbon: He Who Rides the Wind.
[07:57] <ScarFreewill> i'm not a expert but wtf is /lib/udev/devices/console
[07:58] <ScarFreewill> it like reads bin keyboard input or some thing
[07:59] <TheVault> This may sound stupid but I'm going to ask anyway. You know how ndiswrapper wireless drivers, can you also use it to install printer drivers & things?
[07:59] <TheVault> Crap, I mean, can you use ndiswrapper to install other drivers like Printer or scanner or camera drivers the same way it does with the drivers 4 wireless?
[08:00] <andrew> hrm, don't think so, but i haven't played around with it enough to know
[08:00] <TheVault> andrew: Oh. Do you know of a manager that manages printers? My printer model is not in the printers area and so it kinda renders my printer useless
[08:01] <TheVault> But it detects my printer in the manager with the model & everything, just in the list, it does not show my printer type
[08:01] <andrew> TheVault: no idea, haven't had to set up a printer on my computer (i just go to the labs and use those printers)
[08:02] <TheVault> andrew: Oh. I see.
[08:04] <TheVault> andrew: I just found an article on Ubuntu forums. Thanks anyway.lates
[08:05] <jkimball4> So i should be able to upgrade now with no difficulties, correct?
[08:06] <jkimball4> *should*
[08:06] <bf>  jkimball4:  ???  see the topic
[08:07] <Gambaroni> When I installed beryl and then start it. The screen just goes totally white, I can still rotate the cube and so on. How do I fix it?
[08:07] <jkimball4> bf: the title says "were" meaning (to me) that the packages "were broken" (past tense)
[08:07] <jkimball4> So, I want to double check that grammer before I attempt anything.
[08:08] <bf> jkimball4:  the fixed version mentioned wasn't avail. yet on the mirror I was using, so i skipped kernel upgrades
[08:09] <DanglyBits> i want to play an encrypted dvd what player and software do i need for feisty?
[08:10] <akinax> Is flash broken in Feisty? I cna't find an install candidate
[08:11] <lupine_85> !info flashplayer-nonfree feisty
[08:11] <ubotu> Package flashplayer-nonfree does not exist in feisty
[08:11] <lupine_85> humm
[08:11] <akinax> Yeah
[08:11] <Arwen> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[08:11] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.31.0.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[08:11] <Arwen> :-)
[08:11] <akinax> neaither does flashplugin-nonfree
[08:11] <Arwen> Package: flashplugin-nonfree
[08:11] <Arwen> Priority: optional
[08:11] <Arwen> Section: multiverse/web
[08:11] <Arwen> Installed-Size: 108
[08:11] <Arwen> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[08:11] <Arwen> Original-Maintainer: Bart Martens <bartm@knars.be>
[08:11] <Arwen> Architecture: i386
[08:11] <Arwen> Version: 9.0.31.0.2ubuntu1
[08:11] <teenbeat2007> guys whats the absolute minimum of pc specs ubuntu will run on
[08:11] <Arwen> Replaces: flashplugin (<< 6)
[08:11] <Arwen> Depends: debconf | debconf-2.0, wget, libgtk2.0-0, fontconfig, libxt6, libxext6, libatk1.0-0, libc6, libcairo2, libexpat1, libfontconfig1, libfreetype6, libglib2.0-0, libice6, libpango1.0-0, libpng12-0, libsm6, libx11-6, libxau6, libxcursor1, libxdmcp6, libxfixes3, libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, zlib1g
[08:11] <akinax> I can't install it :)
[08:11] <Arwen> Suggests: firefox, konqueror-nsplugins, x-ttcidfont-conf, msttcorefonts, ttf-bitstream-vera | ttf-dejavu, ttf-xfree86-nonfree, xfs (>= 1:1.0.1-5)
[08:11] <Arwen> Conflicts: flashplugin (<< 6), xfs (<< 1:1.0.1-5), flashplayer-mozilla
[08:11] <Arwen> Filename: pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.31.0.2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:11] <Arwen> Size: 15366
[08:12] <akinax> says no installation candidate
[08:12] <Arwen> MD5sum: f6f2cd976c5667590fc7f9adda3b87c8
[08:12] <Arwen> SHA1: ff51b660f37b1fb4e158fc176071ef31cc0f5433
[08:12] <Arwen> SHA256: b88aed8f51a39580eaa0e6bb89cc7f6ccf4aebf8139bd97b0bc40cc2794d417c
[08:12] <Arwen> Description: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[08:12] <lupine_85> teenbeat2007: with GUI, a P600/256MB RAM is probably your minimum
[08:12] <Arwen>  This package will download the Flash Player from Adobe.  It is a
[08:12] <Arwen>  Netscape/Mozilla type plugin.  Any browser based on Netscape or Mozilla can
[08:12] <Arwen>  use the Flash plugin.  This package currently supports the following browsers:
[08:12] <Arwen>  Mozilla, Mozilla-Firefox, Firefox, Iceweasel, and Iceape.  Also Galeon and
[08:12] <Arwen>  Epiphany can use the Flash plugin.  Konqueror can also use the Flash plugin if
[08:12] <Arwen>  konqueror-nsplugins is installed.
[08:12] <Arwen>  .
[08:12] <Arwen>  WARNING: Installing this Ubuntu package causes the Adobe flash plugin to be
[08:12] <lupine_85> we... erm... get the point ;)
[08:12] <Arwen>  downloaded from www.adobe.com.  The distribution license of the Adobe flash
[08:12] <Arwen>  plugin is available at www.adobe.com.  Installing this Ubuntu package implies
[08:12] <Arwen>  that you have accepted the terms of that license.
[08:12] <teenbeat2007> is that p1, 2 or
[08:12] <Arwen>  .
[08:12] <Arwen>   Homepage: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashPlayer9
[08:12] <Arwen> Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:12] <Arwen> Origin: Ubuntu
[08:12] <Arwen> oops, too long
[08:12] <Arwen> teenbeat2007, about a P-II and 128M RAM
[08:12] <Arwen> akinax, you done an apt-get update ?
[08:12] <DanglyBits> anyone....i want to play an encrypted dvd what player and software do i need for feisty?
[08:12] <lupine_85> teenbeat2007: it'll /run/ on anything from 486 upwards
[08:12] <teenbeat2007> ok thanx
[08:12] <Arwen> lupine_85, sorry about the flood :-\
[08:13] <akinax> Arwen: Twice
[08:13] <Arwen> DanglyBits, libdvdcss2
[08:13] <teenbeat2007> as long there is enough ram
[08:13] <akinax> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15627/
[08:13] <akinax> Source.list
[08:13] <lupine_85> but a PII or III is the minimum for GNOME really, or it's killer slow
[08:13] <DanglyBits> where is libdvdcss2?
[08:13] <lupine_85> akinax: are you running i386 or amd64?
[08:13] <Leftmost> I'm attempting to install uswsusp on a MacBook. I'm using a swapfile, but uswsusp claims not to be able to find a swap partition (there's no partition of course, but swap is on).
[08:13] <Arwen> DanglyBits, http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb
[08:13] <akinax> Ahhh
[08:13] <akinax> Right :)
[08:13] <teenbeat2007> ok so a pII 300 192mbram must be ok
[08:13] <Leftmost> Why might it be doing this and how could I fix it?
[08:13] <Vorbote> DanglyBits: And something not based on gstreamer (say, mplayer, anythin based on libxine)
[08:14] <Arwen> teenbeat2007, try xubuntu... or just upgrade..
[08:14] <lupine_85> teenbeat2007: you'll want to look at xubuntu instead
[08:14] <lupine_85> !xubuntu
[08:14] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[08:14] <Xemanth> mplayer +smplayer
[08:14] <akinax> lupine_85: Does gnash work?
[08:14] <Arwen> akinax, no
[08:14] <teenbeat2007> ok xubuntu is the lite version right
[08:14] <Arwen> it "works" but it doesn't *work*
[08:14] <akinax> Arwen: so I have to chroot
[08:14] <akinax> Does it work for youtube?
[08:14] <lupine_85> akinax: It'll compile for amd64, I'm certain
[08:14] <Arwen> akinax, uh, dunno
[08:14] <Arwen> it supposedly supports up to flash7
[08:15] <Arwen> teenbeat2007, kind of
[08:15] <akinax> Does anyone have a yes or no for that question?
[08:15] <Arwen> akinax, there's no yes or no
[08:15] <akinax> teenbeat2007: Fluxuntu!!
[08:15] <Arwen> gnash "works"
[08:15] <akinax> Arwen: it works fo some Youtube clips and not others?
[08:15] <teenbeat2007> if got al the versions ubuntu 6.06, 6.10 6.10 64b, edubuntu kubuntu and also xubuntu
[08:15] <teenbeat2007> fluxuntu????
[08:15] <Arwen> akinax, I never tried, it should be safe for use with gootube
[08:15] <akinax> #fluxbuntu
[08:15] <teenbeat2007> ah
[08:15] <akinax> For Light :-)
[08:15] <lupine_85> just installed it, and I get a pretty black square where the video should be *shrug*
[08:16] <akinax> lupine_85: For youtube?
[08:16] <Arwen> lupine_85, installed what?
[08:16] <lupine_85> gnash, and youtube
[08:16] <lupine_85> so that answers that ;)
[08:16] <Arwen> akinax, if you can't get a working flash player, you can manually download the video and play them with mplayer or vlc
[08:16] <akinax> Arwen: Prefer to get it working
[08:16] <lupine_85> !info konqueror-plugin-gnash
[08:16] <ubotu> konqueror-plugin-gnash: free Flash movie player - Plugin for Konqueror. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.2-1build1 (feisty), package size 128 kB, installed size 268 kB
[08:17] <akinax> Arwen: Yes I understand that means picketing adobe
[08:17] <Arwen> akinax, you could download the latest 32-bit firefox and use flashplayer with it :-\
[08:17] <Thib_G> Hmm... is there any information about HDA Intel breakage ? There is a few bug reports, but no information on the advancement, and the severity is "undecided" :(
[08:17] <Xteven> does anyone else get a kernel panic with the latest feisty iso ? (herd-5)
[08:18] <akinax> Thib_G: Depends on the Type of HDA_intel
[08:18] <akinax> Some work some don't
[08:18] <Arwen> Xteven, the latest iso is the release candidate...
[08:18] <Arwen> Herd 5 is relatively ancient
[08:18] <Thib_G> akinax: it worked until the -14 kernel, it's a  Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) 
[08:19] <Xteven> Arwen: oh oops
[08:19] <ScarFreewill> what about knash
[08:19] <Arwen> hehe, I've got an Intel card... not HDA so it works perfectly :-)
[08:19] <stevethepirate> um i just plugged in a usb wireless dongle..
[08:20] <stevethepirate> how would i install?
[08:20] <DanglyBits> have installed libdvdcss2 but get error while trying to play dvd...not able to find plugin for vob
[08:20] <Thib_G> DanglyBits: which player ?
[08:21] <DanglyBits> totem with xine backend and mplayer
[08:21] <Thib_G> gmplayer dvd://
[08:21] <ScarFreewill> i wished i had a usb wifi dongle so that i can help you install yours skimp skimp lol
[08:21] <Thib_G> if it doesn't work, unmount/remount the DVD
[08:21] <Arwen> DanglyBits, you need libdvdread3
[08:21] <juan_ateo> hello
[08:22] <teenbeat2007> so if i install fluxbuntu to a p1 128mb it will run
[08:22] <DanglyBits> arwen: already have read3
[08:22] <XVampireX> So, I had a problem with upgrading the kernel, then someone suggested I get the kernel version 2.6.20-15 or something like that, but now I can't login to X :P
[08:22] <teenbeat2007> im new at this
[08:23] <Thib_G> teenbeat2007: yes, I think. I run fluxbox over xubuntu on a P1 96MB
[08:23] <Arwen> DanglyBits, hmm, what are you using to play the DVD?
[08:23] <XVampireX> anyone interested in telling me what to do?
[08:23] <Kikkoman> Woo feisty
[08:23] <Kikkoman> I just installed it, and it doesn't seem much different from Edgy
[08:23] <XVampireX> Kikkoman: You're silly
[08:23] <DanglyBits> arwen: i have tried mplayer and totem with xine backend
[08:23] <Arwen> DanglyBits, do they both report the same errors?
[08:24] <juan_ateo> FYI: the current, default xorg.conf does not support hotplugging usb mice (not for me at least). I have the solution which i believe should be considered...
[08:24] <xtknight> Fylk, uncomment noproxy in /etc/apt.conf
[08:24] <DanglyBits> arwen: yep
[08:24] <Arwen> DanglyBits, how are you playing the DVD? you should be doing "mplayer /dev/dvd"
[08:24] <Arwen> or "totem /dev/dvd"
[08:24] <teenbeat2007> ok thats good news
[08:24] <teenbeat2007> Thib_G
[08:25] <DanglyBits> arwen: i'll try that...just a sec
[08:25] <Hidan> huh breakage breakage breakage
[08:25] <Tm_T> breakage <3
[08:25] <xtknight> no breakage here.  i think you are all n000bs!
[08:25] <mcarroll> !breakage
[08:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about breakage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <ScarFreewill> ;p; where'd it go
[08:26] <xtknight>  /msg ubotu breakage
[08:26] <mc44> there is no breakage. Nothing ever breaks. Sssshhhh
[08:26] <shirish> guys where I can find the linux/Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt?
[08:26] <mcarroll> i guess the ubotu reply was removed since it got fixed
[08:27] <xtknight> shirish, linux-source
[08:27] <Kikkoman> !kde
[08:27] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[08:27] <shirish> xtknight: path please
[08:27] <xtknight> shirish, ill pastebin mine if you want
[08:27] <ScarFreewill> but there was never a problem..
[08:27] <xtknight>  /usr/src/linux-2.6.20.6/Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt
[08:27] <shirish> ah cool
[08:27] <xtknight> change kernel ver as necessary
[08:28] <xtknight> find it?
[08:28] <DanglyBits> arwen: mplayer will not start and totem tells me there is no plugin for .vob
[08:28] <Arwen> DanglyBits, mplayer... won't start?
[08:29] <DanglyBits> arwen: not using commandline mplayer /dev/dvd
[08:29] <Thib_G> try mplayer dvd://
[08:29] <shirish> xtknight: strange in /usr/src/ i have linux headers but no linux as such?
[08:29] <xtknight> shirish, need linux-source
[08:29] <Arwen> DanglyBits, use mplayer from the command line...... otherwise it's FAIL
[08:29] <Vorbote> shirish: linux-docs should suffice.
[08:30] <xtknight> dont think there is a linux docs pk
[08:30] <xtknight> pkg
[08:30] <bf> !linux-doc
[08:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-doc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:30] <bf> hmm
[08:30] <xtknight> doc-linux or doc-debian maybe?
[08:30] <shirish> xtknight: I should do an aptitude install linux-source ?
[08:31] <xtknight> shirish, yea
[08:31] <juan_ateo> anyone know, off hand, where i get the feisty kernel (either patched or just the patch set is fine)....
[08:31] <xtknight> juan_ateo, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:31] <juan_ateo> many thanks xtknight
[08:32] <kane77> juan_ateo, isnt it available via updates?
[08:32] <xtknight> he prolly has edgy or somethin
[08:33] <Kikkoman> I got feisty from updates while running edgy
[08:33] <Kikkoman> You have to do something  like "sudo apt-get update -k " or something
[08:33] <XVampireX> Anyone wants to help me?
[08:34] <XVampireX> I can't boot
[08:34] <xtknight> !anyone
[08:34] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[08:34] <xtknight> check topic
[08:34] <juan_ateo> kane77: i don't know. I'm new to ubuntu. i come from gentoo land so i have some convergence to deal with.
[08:34] <XVampireX> xtknight: Fine then no one can boot, that sucks
[08:34] <XVampireX> bye
[08:34] <kane77> :) lol
[08:34] <kane77> I can boot :)
[08:35] <Tm_T> XVampireX: what you mean by "can't boot" ?
[08:35] <bf> XVampireX: i'll help if i can.  can you boot to a console?
[08:35] <xtknight> that's odd i booted just fine
[08:35] <Kikkoman> ...
[08:35] <Kikkoman> >.<
[08:35] <Tm_T> Kikkoman: cheer up, say "cheerio"
[08:35] <xtknight> maybe somebody leaked in his cheerios
[08:35] <Kikkoman> Cheerio
[08:36] <Kikkoman> Fruit Loops
[08:36] <Kikkoman> :O
[08:36] <Kikkoman> Maybe.... Bran flakes
[08:36] <ScarFreewill> shame
[08:37] <Tm_T> hmh, I wonder why someone like XVampireX still can't tell enough details rightaway
[08:37] <xtknight> psst ...
[08:37] <xtknight> i figure people who cant describe their problem well enough dont deserve a booting system ;)
[08:37] <xtknight> maybe he's got bad karma
[08:38] <Arwen> support nightmares....
[08:38] <Tm_T> xtknight: well, I know he has been around long enough to know how to describe errors
[08:38] <xtknight> Tm_T, ahh so not a first timer huh
[08:38] <Tm_T> not at all
[08:38] <xtknight> clearly modifying one line of code from 5 million is as simple as being told "there is a problem; fix ti"
[08:38] <xtknight> it*
[08:39] <Kikkoman> xtnight: Unless you have a "find" function
[08:40] <xtknight>  oh yeah those psychic find functions help
[08:40] <xtknight> ;P
[08:40] <Kikkoman> They do
[08:40] <xtknight> no wonder everbody thinks VI is good
[08:40] <Kikkoman> because if a line has "eguioegjewgjwe" in it and you search for that
[08:40] <Kikkoman> You are likely to find it
[08:40] <xtknight> VI is psychic.  gedit is not
[08:40] <Kikkoman> Well
[08:40] <Kikkoman> Use something other than gedit :P
[08:40] <lupine_85> like kate ;)
[08:41] <xtknight> kate..awesome name
[08:41] <Kikkoman> :O
[08:41] <Kikkoman> KDE Is done
[08:41] <Kikkoman> brb
[08:41] <xtknight> good memories ;P
[08:41] <Tm_T> Kate <3
[08:41] <xtknight> both text editor and the...well never mind
[08:41] <mrvanes> anyone that wants to help me with feisty's samba?
[08:42] <mrvanes> or rather: wants to hear my experience?
[08:42] <mrvanes> or bug?
[08:42] <xtknight> i'd rather have a colonscopy
[08:42] <xtknight> :P
[08:42] <xtknight> go on i might be able to fix it
[08:42] <mrvanes> well, I installed feisty twice and am not able to get it working, see bug:
[08:42] <mrvanes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/95460
[08:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 95460 in samba "samba 3.0.24 on feisty is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:42] <xtknight> ill check it out in a bit.  i've been meaning to make a wiki or something on windows/linux sharing
[08:43] <mrvanes> one was a real machine, the other a virtual (vmware) machine
[08:43] <xtknight> ya i got vmware too
[08:43] <xtknight> havent tried smb yet
[08:43] <mrvanes> I simply think it's broken... just that
[08:43] <macd> windows/linux sharing use setup NFS
[08:43] <xtknight> prolly.  well be back in a bit
[08:43] <shirish> xtknight: if u do that, get me the link of it, of your wiki/page on windows/linux sharing
[08:43] <xtknight> nfs was even worse in frustration for me
[08:43] <macd> then on the windows side, use SFU (servuces for unix)
[08:43] <xtknight> shirish, sure
[08:43] <xtknight> be back in a while.
[08:43] <shirish> xtknight: you could memo me I am registered
[08:43] <xtknight> oh so thats what services for unix is
[08:43] <xtknight> k
[08:43] <macd> among other things
[08:44] <mrvanes> Just to explain... it's broken when I connect FROM the feisty machine TO itself!
[08:44] <macd> I use it in my house I have a NFS server that serves media, etc to windows/linux/osx clients
[08:44] <mrvanes> So there is no other machine involved
[08:44] <mrvanes> it's broken from another edgy machine as well...
[08:44] <macd> mrvanes, Im not sure I follow? your connecting to your own samba instance locally?
[08:46] <IndyGunFreak> what are the official repo names for Feisty?... there's abou a dozen updates it says i should receive, but it says its not available.
[08:46] <mrvanes> kopete just crashed on me, any feedback on the samba bug?
[08:46] <shirish> macd: you should read the bug he has entered, it has the details
[08:46] <macd> Yes Im trying to reproduce it
[08:47] <shirish> mrvanes: macd is trying to reproduce it & xtknight would probably also look at it so you are in good hands
[08:47] <shirish> or should I say samba lol :p
[08:47] <mrvanes> Ok, it's not that I need this... It would just be a huge shame to see this in release...
[08:47] <mrvanes> I mean... "need" feisty, at the moment
[08:47] <mrvanes> just trying to help out and test ;)
[08:48] <macd> well, its to late for the release now ;)
[08:48] <shirish> sure, that is what we all are here for, to test things, break things whatever we can do
[08:48] <mrvanes> Grrrrrrr
[08:48] <macd> that was a joke
[08:48] <shirish> macd: are u able to reproduce his error?
[08:48] <macd> hehe
[08:48] <macd> Im just setting smbpasswd now
[08:48] <mrvanes> How can it be that nobody's noticed this when It happened twice on 2 different machines for me?
[08:48] <XVampireX> Wait, -15.25?
[08:49] <shirish> I heard some of the devs. said they do still have window open for freezeException
[08:49] <XVampireX> Where do I get that?
[08:49] <macd> I am able to browse from feisty --> windows, and from windows -->: feisty
[08:49] <macd> transferring some files both directions to test.
[08:50] <shirish> mrvanes: you did not shout loud enough I guess
[08:50] <mrvanes> Ok, so why in 'heavens' name do I get these errors that look like locale/encoding matching problems?
[08:50] <macd> XVampireX, see #ubuntu-kernel, the new builds are _almost_ done.
[08:50] <shirish> patience friend, macd is looking at it, I would also but I know nothing about samba
[08:50] <mrvanes> on a 'virgin' machine... no old configs or whatever... fresh install, add share, connect and boom!
[08:51] <macd> mrvanes, did you run smbpasswd on the linux side?
[08:51] <mrvanes> Ok, so try to connect locally with smblient then?
[08:51] <linux_kid> macd, is it compiled?
[08:51] <mrvanes> nope, but I don't want password.. I want guest access
[08:51] <RedRose> My Audio does not play loudly,  is their any way i can increase the audio levels? (I already have the mixer turned up to 100%)
[08:52] <XVampireX> macd: It looks like it's mostly my fault, I somehow missed restricted modules package :P
[08:52] <ulisse> 'lo people
[08:52] <linux_kid> RedRose, what kind of soundboard?
[08:52] <DreamThief> anyone else got broken nvidia-kernel-modules with the latest 2.6.20-15.25 kernel?
[08:53] <mrvanes> and btw: it's not an authentication problem... if you look at the debug, the authentication is already done... it's the hostname lookup that breaks everything
[08:53] <RedRose> linux_kid, Idk, it's built into my laptop
[08:53] <mrvanes> or so...
[08:53] <macd> linux_kid, its in my background atm, have a few more pressing things atm
[08:53] <RedRose> linux_kid, How can I check
[08:53] <linux_kid> macd, ok, thanks again
[08:53] <linux_kid> RedRose, let me see...
[08:53] <ulisse> I'm getting I/O errors on DVDRW devices, could it be related to the broken upgrade of yesterday?
[08:54] <ganymed> hi
[08:54] <misfit_toy> RedRose, lspci, look for multimedia audio
[08:55] <ganymed> is there any working instance of fglrx for feisty (due to xorg 7.2)??
[08:55] <RedRose> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[08:55] <macd> mrvanes, if 192.168.1.22 your DNS server? or is that the IP to hostname feisty?
[08:55] <RedRose> misfit_toy, linux_kid 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[08:55] <linux_kid> RedRose, look at system-prefrences-hardware information
[08:55] <mrvanes> that's the feisty machine, DNS is 192.168.1.1
[08:55] <mrvanes> my router
[08:56] <Arwen> !awk
[08:56] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:56] <Arwen> ...
[08:56] <macd> mrvanes, try smbclient -d 3 //192.168.1.22/samba
[08:56] <mrvanes> same problem
[08:57] <XVampireX> Arwen: maybe !info awk :)
[08:57] <macd> can you paste that for me
[08:57] <XVampireX> !info awk
[08:57] <ubotu> Package awk does not exist in feisty
[08:57] <linux_kid> RedRose, try to find somthing similar to that in System-Preferences-Hardware Information and tell me the things around it such as CONEXANT Anolog OSS...
[08:57] <mrvanes> nope, not in the vmachine with this kopete ;)
[08:57] <XVampireX> meh
[08:57] <macd> what about on web? pastebin or something?
[08:57] <mrvanes> but it looks an awfull lot like the output in the bug I posted
[08:58] <Arwen> gah, autotype is evil...
[08:58] <mrvanes> a lot of convert_string_allocate errors
[08:58] <linux_kid> RedRose, what laptop do you have?
[08:58] <mrvanes> Illegal multibyte sequences
[08:59] <RedRose> Toshiba A105-S4011
[08:59] <RedRose> It's a hardware controller for externel volume...
[08:59] <mrvanes> and it end with "Connection to [garbage]  failed
[08:59] <macd> mrvanes, is it possible to paste your smb.conf? I think its a charset error
[08:59] <RedRose> linux_kid, I see a lot of Analog OSS and alsa
[09:00] <mrvanes> I'll see what I can do...
[09:00] <tibbar> !info libggi2
[09:00] <ubotu> libggi2: General Graphics Interface runtime libraries. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.2.1-5ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 469 kB, installed size 1228 kB
[09:00] <linux_kid> RedRose, are any brand names infront of Analog
[09:00] <mrvanes> but the thing is... it's a "fresh" install, and all configuration is done with kde/kubuntu user interface... so?!
[09:00] <linux_kid> RedRose, I must go...
[09:01] <RedRose> linux_kid, it's ok, ty for the help though
[09:01] <_dennis_> is it save again to dist-upgrade feisty? will i be able to reboot again, so are the broken packages fixed?
[09:01] <tibbar> can you guys install libggi2 ?
[09:01] <macd> mrvanes, thats fine, but my samba doesnt have the error, so Im trying to locate the error
[09:02] <mrvanes> It's rather long, can I mail it to you or save this list from flushing any other way?
[09:02] <mrvanes> macd: ok, sorry ;)
[09:02] <macd> mrvanes, by chance, are your windows and linux boxes using different locales?
[09:02] <mrvanes> there is no windows machine involved. It's from the feisty machine TO the feisty machine!
[09:02] <mrvanes> there's even no network involved, other than the local stack!
[09:03] <mrvanes> that's why I'm so worried about this bug...
[09:03] <mrvanes> it's so elementary
[09:03] <macd> local is moot, noone connects to themselves for smb
[09:04] <mrvanes> hehe... it's the same when I connect from my edgy machine
[09:04] <mrvanes> and the problem is gone when I downgrade to .22
[09:04] <macd> Im not sure you understand where Im going with troubleshooting
[09:04] <shirish> guys I downloaded the linux source file but its a .bz2 how do I see the documentation, or should I reboot?
[09:04] <mrvanes> please explain
[09:05] <macd> I can reproduce the bugs if my windows and feisty systems have a different UTF for the locales
[09:05] <macd> so Im trying to understand if your systems are the same
[09:05] <macd> charecters get truncated and thats where the error comes from
[09:05] <mrvanes> tell me where I should mail the smb.conf?
[09:06] <shirish> macd: I am trying to find out where linux/Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt lives?
[09:06] <mrvanes> but isn't the locale from the machine allways the same if source and destination are the same?
[09:06] <shirish> I have downloaded the linux-source file, a hefty 25 MB one but still no clue
[09:07] <mrvanes> the reason I connect from the feisty machine is to _prevent_ locale differences
[09:07] <macd> shirish, you should just http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt
[09:08] <mrvanes> at least while testing
[09:09] <anto> Heya guys i'm getting a grub error 15 when trying to run my desktop computer what should i do??
[09:09] <Thib_G> I think I've found the cause of the HDA Intel issue
[09:10] <Thib_G> AD1986A Ultra model support has recently been added, and I have a AD1986A model...
[09:10] <macd> mrvanes, can you dpkg-reconfigure samba
[09:10] <TheVault> Hey guys, I need a little bit of help.I just finally setup network printing between 2 linux computers both running feisty fawn. Now that I have figured out how to do that, here comes the question I'm sure you guys are used to hearing: How do you print from Linux to Windows. So on my laptop, I wanna print to my desktop if I happen to have Windows running instead of Ubuntu
[09:10] <mrvanes> I just did a complete purge and reinstall, I checked that the /etc/samba dir was deleted before reinstalling, is that enough?
[09:11] <Thib_G> Secondly, I've compared /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 between the functionnal kernel and the latest one
[09:11] <lucasvo> hi I am trying to install the beta. the partition manager seems to be stuck at 80% Scanning disks
[09:11] <lucasvo> is this the bug, which is mentioned on the download page?
[09:11] <mjrclark> anto if nobody has any better ideas, download the "ultimate boot cd" ("UBCD") and use the grub recovery tool on that (forgot precise name), worked for me this morning.
[09:11] <Thib_G> one thing change : the Amp-Out vals
[09:11] <macd> yes@mrvanes
[09:12] <mrvanes> then I browsed in konqueror to the /samba dir an right-clicked on sharing
[09:12] <shirish> macd: can u help me with bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102378 I read the page you pointed at to, but still do not know what I have to do.
[09:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 102378 in usplash "Not able to boot with usplash" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[09:12] <anto> mjrclark: thats for the tip going to ask my dad to burn it
[09:12] <macd> Im doing a new share just as you do
[09:12] <mrvanes> and added the share as 'simple' share
[09:13] <uliss1> can be lots of SCSI errors related to the kernle problem of yesterday?
[09:13] <mrvanes> using the interface
[09:14] <shirish> ok anybody here who knows GRUB & what this intel framebuffer thing is?
[09:14] <macd> shirish, did you add the'video=intelfb' to your grub entry?
[09:14] <shirish> macd: I have to add it, there are numerous parameters written there on the page, also where should I write it? Is there a particular place where it should be written?
[09:16] <shirish> macd: should it be at the defoptions thing or somewhere else?
[09:16] <macd> shirish, append to the end of your kernel line such as video=intelfb,mode=800x600@60
[09:17] <coz_> guys just thought you should know this... I have feisty installed and just did a clean install today... I have beenhaving problems with alacarte not saving to anything but the debian menu,  so I removed the debian menu and most of alacarte's funtianality has returned not all but I can now save to the gnome menus so apparently there is a conflict with the debian menu
[09:17] <shirish> macd: what do u mean by append, u mean add?
[09:17] <macd> yes.
[09:18] <yoasif> how do install the "fixed" kernel?
[09:18] <macd> mrvanes, I just did same, and I dont have an issue, I tried smbclient -d 3 //hostname , //ip , //localhost all worked
[09:18] <macd> yoasif, did you download the kernel by itself?
[09:18] <asraniel> hi there, anyone tried to compile wine under feisty? gcc crashes for me when doing so
[09:18] <thompa> intel macbook, is working well again, there was a boot problem (maybe acpi) after last update
[09:18] <mrvanes> hmm... I'm dutch and choose 8859-15 as locale when I install, might that be a problem?
[09:18] <coz_> also everytime I reboot I have to reinstall the nvidia drivers
[09:18] <mrvanes> 8859 is a guess ;)
[09:19] <yoasif> i used the update gui thing, not apt-get like i usually do macd
[09:19] <thompa> is right click supposed to be all finger tips on touchpad?, seems strange but works
[09:20] <macd> yoasif, you can download it like this 'wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.26_i386.deb'   then use 'sudo dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.26_i386.deb'
[09:20] <crdlb> thompa, does two-finger tap work too?
[09:20] <yoasif> macd: thanks loads...
[09:20] <thompa> f11 and f12 do not function as right click, but touchpad works right click if i use all fingers at once
[09:20] <macd> and then let BenC in #ubuntu-kernel know if it solved your problem
[09:20] <yoasif> i also have another issue, but i don't know how to describe it
[09:20] <thompa> crdlb: i dont know, what is it?
[09:20] <macd> lets do one at a time yoasif
[09:20] <crdlb> thompa, exactly what it sounds like :)
[09:20] <yoasif> haha thanks macd :)
[09:21] <shirish> macb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15642/ line 147 is that ok?
[09:21] <macd> mrvanes, just for fun, is your windows a dutch copy?
[09:21] <mrvanes> there is no windows involved
[09:21] <mrvanes> I don't use windows
[09:21] <macd> I forgot were still local ;P
[09:21] <thompa> crdlb: i dont know 2 fingers is same as one, a left click
[09:21] <macd> what exactly are you trying todo with samba then?
[09:21] <thompa> crdlb: but 4 fingers works??
[09:22] <mrvanes> and even from my edgy machine that I use for everyday I can't connect to the test-feisty
[09:22] <anto> Boot error (GRUB), root(hd0,0) Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 setup (hd0) Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists.... no
[09:22] <mrvanes> same error
[09:22] <thompa> crdlb: is that supposed to be so
[09:22] <macd> shirish, take the append=" 's off
[09:22] <shirish> macd: ok done, that should be good enough?
[09:22] <mrvanes> from the feisty to edgy works flawless
[09:22] <macd> shirish, and add just what I pasted above, dont get fancy, thqats when you get problems adding 10 options at once
[09:23] <mrvanes> so it's not the smbclient that's the problem
[09:23] <thompa> crdlb: i dont want to mess with key mapping too much cause desktop cube works with ctrl alt nicely, and i get filmstrip
[09:23] <mrvanes> it's definately the server
[09:23] <macd> mrvanes, am I ok to assume that both installs are the same locale?
[09:23] <thompa> last time i lost my alt ctrl when i started tweaking
[09:23] <mrvanes> how can it be different on localhost?
[09:23] <shirish> ok time for a reboot.
[09:24] <macd> shirish, one more thing, usplash doesnt work in recovery mode kernels, so you should just put that on your boot kernel.
[09:24] <shirish> lol did I do that
[09:24] <macd> uh huh ;)
[09:24] <anto> common guys i need some help...
[09:24] <mrvanes> you see why I'm desparate?
[09:24] <macd> mrvanes, Im asking to narrow things down b/t edgy/feisty
[09:24] <macd> I reaqlly wish youd just answer instead of contradicting everything tbh
[09:25] <macd> its hard to help when I have to explain my reasoning
[09:25] <mrvanes> I really do want to help.. but the problem is so simple...
[09:25] <Xteven> hmm, first upgrade after installing feisty from iso downloads 353 packages :)
[09:25] <macd> obviously not ;)
[09:26] <mrvanes> edgy has nothing to do with it, except that I see the same problem if I connect from edgy to feisty
[09:26] <Xteven> I love it when things are alive like that
[09:26] <jussi01> Xteven, a lot has changed
[09:26] <thompa> 3 finger click works too, probably needs tweaking
[09:26] <Xteven> possibly :)
[09:26] <mrvanes> so feisty->feisty is wrong
[09:26] <mrvanes> edgy->feisty also
[09:26] <mrvanes> but feisty->edgy is ok
[09:26] <shirish> time to move out folks, let see if I can see the usplash this time around
[09:27] <yoasif> macd: just installed the newest kernel, so hopefully, we'll see some fixed behavior :)
[09:27] <macd> mrvanes, do you know anyone else that has feisty installed with your locale?
[09:27] <macd> yoasif, lets hope
[09:27] <mrvanes> well... the other machine that I first tried it on, but that's not here where I am now
[09:27] <yoasif> macd: would you mind if i mentioned the other issue? it's one i was having even before this update...
[09:27] <pwuertz> i heared 2.6.20-15 does not work with nvidia drivers yet, is this true?
[09:28] <mrvanes> I could change locale on the feisy machine and reboot?
[09:28] <mrvanes> If I knew how
[09:28] <coz_> anyclues on why nvidia driver would have to be reinstalled on each reboot with feisty,,,...fresh install a...all updates
[09:28] <macd> mrvanes, Im not sure I know how ;P
[09:28] <mrvanes> dpkg-reconfigure [something]  I guess?
[09:28] <macd> coz_, feisty is undergoing MAJOR changes/issues relating to kernel, just hold tight.
[09:28] <mrvanes> :-/
[09:28] <Flosoft> hey
[09:28] <Flosoft> can anyone help me with my sound
[09:29] <coz_> macd, is this a reported problem I have no issues with waiting
[09:29] <Flosoft> I don't have any sound ... only on my front panel
[09:29] <yoasif> kinda surprised that they would so this so close to release :/
[09:29] <Flosoft> it is an nforce3 mainboard
[09:29] <macd> coz_, its known
[09:29] <Flosoft> Card: NVidia CK8S
[09:29] <coz_> macd, all I needed to know thanks guy :)
[09:29] <Flosoft> Chip: Realtek ALC850 rev 0
[09:29] <macd> yoasif, it was a patch that broke something, then that fix broke something else, it sure wasnt planned
[09:29] <yoasif> hehe
[09:29] <defendguin> GtkGLExt  python what package is this in apt because i can't find it?  trying to play 3d chess
[09:30] <sirius> should i install feisty fawn now or wait till it gets officially released?
[09:30] <sirius> on the 19th
[09:30] <macd> sirius, at least wait until tommarrows build.
[09:30] <mrvanes> macd: what's in your /etc/default/locale file?
[09:30] <sirius> what is different about tomorrow's build?
[09:31] <defendguin> they have been been fixing some major regressions from what i understand
[09:31] <sirius> ah i see
[09:31] <macd> mrvanes, I dont have a locale file
[09:31] <mrvanes> Hmmmm...
[09:31] <choudesh> heh - I see there is a crap load of updates
[09:32] <mrvanes> I can try to remove it
[09:32] <yoasif> macd: question for ya: do you recommend using apt-get over the gui thing? because apt-get usually holds back updates for me
[09:32] <mrvanes> and reboot the virtual machine
[09:32] <macd> yoasif, so does the GUI you just dont see it
[09:32] <nixnoob> why does the recovery mode work but regular kernel gives  me a soft lockup?
[09:33] <yoasif> ah, so it would have broken even if i had used apt-get?
[09:33] <nixnoob> its a fresh install....
[09:33] <macd> yoasif, yeah, it was a bug unbeknown until people already upgraded and reported it
[09:34] <nixnoob> what is the actual difference between the recovery mode kernel and the regular one?
[09:34] <linux_kid> macd, done :) ??
[09:35] <|NewUser|> wth :< whenever i try to install or update something i get an error :<
[09:35] <macd> linux_kid, actually yeah, I recompiloed a sec ago, Im just trying to build a deb
[09:36] <ash211> nixnoob: it's the same kernel, just booted in single user mode
[09:36] <_4strO> |NewUser|: what error ?
[09:36] <|NewUser|> _4strO:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15646/
[09:36] <nixnoob> ash211 why would mutli user mode cause a soft lockup on my cpu and single user doesnt?
[09:36] <mrvanes> macd: still the same problem
[09:37] <ash211> i'm not sure.  when does it lockup?
[09:37] <nixnoob> ash211 as soon as X starts.
[09:37] <_4strO> |NewUser|: sudo apt-get update --fix-missing
[09:37] <_4strO> and be patient ;)
[09:37] <ash211> sounds more like an X error then
[09:37] <macd> mrvanes, well, not sure tbh, leave your bug posted, and if someone can reproduce it you can change it to confirmed.
[09:37] <nixnoob> ash211 perhaps its something in the new Xorg because edgy works fine.
[09:37] <|NewUser|> _4strO:  Well i try to update with fix missing also. but same problem
[09:38] <ash211> are you running anything crazy in X?  beryl/compiz or unstable drivers or something?
[09:38] <RedRose> How Can I Increase My Audio Levels? I have it at 100% currently and it's playing like it's at 10%
[09:38] <nixnoob> ash211 its a freshy install.
[09:38] <mrvanes> I'll see if I can change the locale in the meantime
[09:39] <nixnoob> ash211 is there any negative effect to changing grub and always using single user mode?
[09:39] <|NewUser|> what do i do now ?
[09:39] <ash211> you're logging in as root, which can be dangerous
[09:39] <ash211> nixnoob: looks like startx works fine in recovery then ?
[09:39] <_4strO> |NewUser|: sudo apt-get upgrade --fix-missing
[09:39] <nixnoob> ash211, yes it does.
[09:40] <_4strO> |NewUser|: you will still have an error but soesn't matter
[09:40] <ash211> what kernel are you using then?
[09:40] <ash211> see topic
[09:40] <DreamThief> anyone else got broken nvidia kernel module with the latest feisty kernel?
[09:40] <|NewUser|> _4strO: okie let me try again with sudo apt-get udpate --fix-missing
[09:41] <nixnoob> ash211, the newest one 2.6.20-15-generic but the one that ships with the beta release also has the same problem.
[09:41] <_4strO> |NewUser|: not update, upgrade ;)
[09:41] <|NewUser|> _4strO: well image kernel bug fixed now?
[09:41] <ash211> then it's not part of the -15.25 problems then
[09:41] <nixnoob> ash211 its gotta be something in Xorg.
[09:41] <_4strO> |NewUser|: dont no
[09:41] <ash211> file a bug then
[09:42] <_4strO> i jst put the new one right now
[09:42] <_4strO> dont have reboot since
[09:42] <ash211> Ben Collins just called for kernel testing in #ubuntu-devel
[09:42] <ash211> nixnoob: maybe try them at http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/
[09:42] <ash211> if those don't work, then file a bug
[09:43] <nixnoob> ash211 i just dont understand what it could be its independent of the video driver and the kernel.
[09:43] <|NewUser|> _4strO: try to reboot :p then
[09:43] <nixnoob> ash211 im going to try something else.
[09:43] <ash211> X then?  I haven't heard of any major bugs in X recently
[09:43] <_4strO> |NewUser|: i will right now, see ya ;)
[09:44] <ash211> guess your first recourse should be to file a bug
[09:44] <nixnoob> im trying a much older kernel 2.6.17
[09:44] <ash211> get the people who can actually help aware of it :)
[09:44] <knapp> I recently updated to 7.04 and am having a problem during the boot process. Right after the "Loading, please wait" there is a 5 minute pause and then it says "ata2.01: failed to set xfermode...". How can I fix this? I think its related to my CDRom cause the lights blink on it
[09:44] <_4strO> oups i cant
[09:44] <_4strO> some dl ...
[09:44] <nixnoob> ash211 if this doesnt work I'll goto launchpad and file it.
[09:45] <|NewUser|> !breakage | knapp
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about breakage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <ash211> good luck
[09:45] <|NewUser|> !breakage
[09:45] <_4strO> knapp: boot on a liveCC
[09:45] <nixnoob> ash211 lol Starting up ... Loading, please wait ...  (It stops there)
[09:45] <RedRose> !audio
[09:45] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[09:45] <_4strO> CD*
[09:45] <misfit_toy> lol, the breakage note is broken
[09:45] <ash211> yep
[09:46] <knapp> Boot on a livecd? Everytime i boot?
[09:46] <ash211> knapp: try the kernel at http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/
[09:46] <agroker>  what is the difference between regular and "low latency" kernel?
[09:46] <_4strO> knapp: and sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-14-generic.bak /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-14-generic
[09:46] <_4strO> knap you have to boot, then mount your ubuntu partition
[09:47] <nixnoob> ash211, I shall
[09:48] <_4strO> knapp: to mount : sudo mkdir temp && mount -t /dev/... temp -t ext3
[09:48] <_4strO> and then mv /temp/boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-14-generic.bak /temp/boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-14-generic
[09:48] <knapp> hmm
[09:48] <_4strO> oups mistake
[09:48] <finalbeta> agroker: i'm guessing the low latency responds faster to interrupts. probably good for music/video editing.
[09:48] <_4strO> knapp: to mount : sudo mkdir temp && mount /dev/... temp -t ext3
[09:49] <agroker> finalbeta, tnx
[09:49] <finalbeta> But you wont actually notice it in normal usage.
[09:49] <nixnoob> ash211 its downloading and installing as i speak hopefully it will work and i can go about my business.
[09:49] <_4strO> replace ... by the exact name
[09:49] <knapp> 4str0, I do this now, or after i reboot?
[09:49] <_4strO> you can have it with sudo fdisk -l
[09:49] <_4strO> knapp you can boot your systeme right ?
[09:49] <shirish> Macd: no improvement, I even deleted the vga=791 but no usplash
[09:49] <knapp> yes
[09:50] <_4strO> so do it with the liveCD
[09:50] <shirish> macd: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15649/ what could I be doing wrong?
[09:50] <raptor_hs> I am with kubuntu 7.04 and I need an repository for nvidia restricted drivers - nvidia kernel more exactly
[09:50] <raptor_hs> I am with kubuntu 7.04 and I need an repository for nvidia restricted drivers - nvidia kernel legacy more exactly:)
[09:50] <knapp> 4str0 I'm not sure what you mean. Boot using the LiveCD then mount the fs?
[09:50] <_4strO> knapp: you on the liveCD actually ?
[09:51] <ash211> !nvidia | raptor_hs
[09:51] <ubotu> raptor_hs: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:51] <knapp> 4str0, no it boots fine, just takes like 7 minutes.
[09:51] <nixnoob> ash211, rebooting now cross your finger.
[09:51] <_4strO> knapp: you have to replace the /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-14-generic by  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-14-generic.bak on your HD
[09:51] <_4strO> knapp: haaaaaaaaaa !
[09:51] <fusspils> anyone else had any Intel 2200bg wifi card problems on Feisty after a recent update?
[09:51] <shirish> guys anybody knowing about grub & intelfb things?
[09:51] <_4strO> sorry though it didn't boot
[09:52] <macd> shirish, append=video=intelfb:mode=800x600@60  needs to be video=intelfb,mode=800x600@60
[09:52] <_4strO> what kernel are you using knapp ?
[09:52] <nixnoob> oh shit dont i have to do some update to grub after installing the kernel.deb?
[09:52] <misfit_toy> fusspils, network-manager is a little freaked out at the moment for some.
[09:52] <shirish> macd: ah ok
[09:52] <knapp> 4str0
[09:52] <knapp> 2.6.20-14-386
[09:52] <chamikal> Hi
[09:52] <_4strO> then upgrade i think
[09:52] <chamikal> there
[09:53] <chamikal> I have installed desktop-effects on Kubuntu
[09:53] <_4strO> knapp: look at the topic ;)
[09:53] <fusspils> misfit_toy: k thanks for the info
[09:53] <kane77> network manager started to work after last upgrade! (for me at least...)
[09:53] <chamikal> but I didn't find the entry on the menu
[09:53] <chamikal> where it's located ?
[09:53] <shirish> macd: everything else looks ok I guess?
[09:53] <macd> yteah
[09:53] <knapp> 4str0 DOH! lol, thanks
[09:53] <shirish> ok doing a nice graceful shutdown
 chamikal bouuuuuuh! beryl is better </troll>
[09:53] <chamikal> any idea ?
[09:53] <chamikal> lol
[09:53] <ISRA_sylvacore> if I don't ask the same question twice can I ask a question?
[09:53] <_4strO> ^^
[09:53] <chamikal> but I want to use only ubuntu official packages
[09:54] <_4strO> !ask | ISRA_sylvacore:
[09:54] <ubotu> ISRA_sylvacore:: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:54] <Tm_T> chamikal: beryl is in repositories IIRC
[09:54] <ISRA_sylvacore> lol
[09:54] <chamikal> really ?
[09:54] <Tm_T> chamikal: well, check yourself ;)
[09:54] <chamikal> :p
[09:54] <_4strO> chamikal: in universe i think or lultiverse
[09:54] <fitawav> where can i install boinc core from ?
[09:54] <nixnoob> ash211, what command do i run after i install the .deb package?
[09:54] <chamikal> yes it's
[09:54] <nixnoob> i need to addd it to grub.
[09:54] <ash211> from that site?
[09:55] <nixnoob> yes
[09:55] <ash211> once you've installed it, you'll need to restart the computer to use the new kernel
[09:55] <ISRA_sylvacore> I'm trying to install ubuntu on an Optiplex 320, it only has USB devices, I can get to the install, but the kbd won't work, any ideas on how to continue?
[09:55] <ash211> it should appear in grub
[09:55] <chamikal> _4strO : yep but I have to do some tweak before it can work ?
[09:55] <nixnoob> ash211, well i guess it replaced the other -15-generic kernel in grub, and i get the same problem
[09:55] <Bderenor> hi everyone
[09:56] <chamikal> _4strO : desktop-effects do all the configuration
[09:56] <_4strO> chamikal: graphic card ?
[09:56] <ISRA_sylvacore> ... when I get to the choose language part ...
[09:56] <chamikal> _4strO : ATI
[09:56] <_4strO> chamikal: i dont use xompiz and desktop-effect
[09:56] <Tm_T> Bderenor: hi :)
[09:56] <_4strO> only breyl and emerald
[09:56] <Bderenor> Tm_T ah. ^
[09:56] <ash211> nixnoob: guess it's not kernel then
[09:56] <chamikal> _4strO : yep but you have to edit some files on the system ?
[09:56] <Bderenor> ^^
[09:57] <_4strO> chamikal: dont think so
[09:57] <chamikal> _4strO : really ?
[09:57] <ash211> I'm out of options, so guess you're going to be hanging out in launchpad for a bit :)
[09:57] <Bderenor> Tm_T do you know something about ndiswrapper for sound drivers ?
[09:57] <_4strO> juste apt-get install bery-manager emerald
[09:57] <Tm_T> Bderenor: nope, sorry
[09:57] <nixnoob> lol i hate launchpad
[09:57] <Hidan> say, does anyone know how to quickload all icq nicknames in Pidgin aka Gaim? I tried asking in #pidgin but they didn't say much about this.
[09:57] <chamikal> _4strO : really ?
[09:57] <_4strO> i think :p
[09:57] <_4strO> dont remember what i ve done
[09:58] <_4strO> propably nothing :p
[09:58] <chamikal> apt-get install bery-manager emerald
[09:58] <shirish> macd: still no success :/
[09:58] <henke> Has anybody experienced some deleted file reappearing some time later? I have two files that come back after deletion. It can take a day before they reappear
[09:58] <Korgmatose> are there any news down the grpevinw on beryl 2.1 working for real in xgl under xorg 7.2 ? because LD=preload blah blah is still giving whitescreens
[09:58] <ISRA_sylvacore> I tried sticking the power chord in my nose ... didn't do any good
[09:58] <_4strO> chamikal: sudo apt-get install beryl-manager emerald
[09:59] <macd> shirish, well Im out of ideas ;P
[09:59] <Bderenor> hey, does anyone her have any knowledge of the snd-hda-intel driver for ICH7-family cards? I'd appreciate any help you can give me. i've tried everything i found using google (different models, and so on).
[09:59] <macd> shirish, you might need to mkinitramfs
[09:59] <Bderenor> someone in the #kubuntu channel suggested ndiswrapper
[10:00] <Bderenor> i'd like to explore all other options before doing that
[10:00] <shirish> macd: what is this mkinitramfs?
[10:00] <heno> *** PLEASE TEST THE LATEST KERNEL 2.6.20-15.26 *** esp. if you had problems with -14 or -15 before. Grab a copy here http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/
[10:00] <heno> Thanks!
[10:01] <shirish> macd:- look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15653/ maybe we forgot something
[10:01] <heno> we need to give this some heavy testing before release
[10:01] <Korgmatose> Bderenor, I have the 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition loaded on my laptop, and it works like a charm ...
[10:01] <chamikal> _4strO : sure but I cant't test rigth now thanks for the tips
[10:01] <chamikal> _4strO : but Beryl it's better for ATI support ?
[10:01] <Korgmatose> with the hda intel-module and alsa
[10:01] <_4strO> chamikal: no pb
[10:01] <mc44> heno: another one :) woo!
[10:02] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: wow, that's the exact same model as mine
[10:02] <chamikal> _4strO : or Compiz has better support for ATI don't remember
[10:02] <ISRA_sylvacore> anyone wanna PM me for help?
[10:02] <Kaplan_> how do i install a .sh file?
[10:02] <heno> we expect this one to be good ...
[10:02] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: it refuses to use the speakers
[10:02] <mc44> hehe
[10:02] <chamikal> ISRA_sylvacore : what's the problem ?
[10:02] <ISRA_sylvacore> I'm trying to install ubuntu on an Optiplex 320, it only has USB devices, I can get to the install, but the kbd won't work, any ideas on how to continue?
[10:02] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: what kind of voodoo did you employ to make it work ;)
[10:02] <_4strO> heno: 2.6.20-15-generic <- is it his one you want test ?
[10:02] <Tm_T> heno: no problems before but I'll see and test it
[10:02] <chamikal> ISRA_sylvacore : arf didn't know Optiplex 320
[10:02] <finalbeta> Kaplan_: you don't. I gues syou can run it. chmod +x ./file.sh or source file.sh
[10:03] <macd> shirish, yes
[10:03] <Korgmatose> Bderenor, make sure that you have the correct volumecontrol set, because on my asus a7j, it's "front" that controls the speakers, not mixer or headphone nor pcm
[10:03] <macd> you didnt change the: to a ,
[10:03] <heno> _4strO: yes please
[10:03] <_4strO> ok will reboot on it :)
[10:03] <macd> video=intelfb:mode=800x600@60 should be video=intelfb,mode=800x600@60
[10:03] <mc44> _4strO: .26 not .25
[10:03] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: i set all available volumecontrols, in all possible combinations. it doesn't work
[10:03] <mc44> I think he misunderstood :
[10:04] <shirish> macd: we forgot something?
[10:04] <ISRA_sylvacore> anyone who can help me load ubuntu server can have free wesite for a year
[10:04] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: apparently, this specific laptop has something called "srs wow", which can be turned on or off with a special button. do you have that too?
[10:04] <macd> shirish, video=intelfb:mode=800x600@60 should be video=intelfb,mode=800x600@60  (I said this before you rebooted last time ;)
[10:05] <Korgmatose> My laptop is pretty vanilla in that respect ...
[10:05] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the feisty desktop CD doesn't start X, even with Vesa, on an Inspiron e1405.
[10:05] <cables> I heard that Feisty final was going to be delayed. Can someone give me any good, solid information about whether this is true?
[10:05] <lucasvo> my ubiquity installer crashes when I try to set up the partitions manually
[10:05] <DanaG> And it doesn't even start a console, either.
[10:05] <lucasvo> it freezes at 80%
[10:05] <shirish> macd: perhaps I did not see it, anyways, another time
[10:05] <mc44> cables: no they cant, stop asking
[10:05] <lucasvo> is there a fix for it?
[10:05] <dystopianray> cables: no, there is no good, solid information available
[10:06] <macd> shirish, no problemo
[10:06] <_4strO> heno: everything looks fine :)
[10:06] <_4strO> heno: you need something special ?
[10:06] <ISRA_sylvacore> send me a PM for help if you'd like access to a website for a year
[10:07] <_4strO> you want my dmesg ?
[10:07] <lucasvo> here's a some stuff from the syslog: http://dpaste.com/8491/
[10:07] <lucasvo> it seems to be a gtk problem
[10:07] <lucasvo> should I file a bug?
[10:08] <Korgmatose> Bderenor, I also copied the /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/sample/asound.conf_configuresoundproperly to /etc/asound.conf for dmix mixing to make alsa not be painful
[10:09] <Korgmatose> before that only the oss mixer would yield any result
[10:09] <heno> _4strO: dmesg output would be good. See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2453122&postcount=256
[10:10] <tibbar> can some one please give me a nice sources.list, because my universe is not working
[10:12] <nixnoob> hey what command do i do to get a list of my hardware devices so i can post it to launchpad
[10:12] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: i'm using kubuntu, that location does not exist here... i'll look for it
[10:12] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: locate doesn't ive me anything
[10:13] <AngryElf> why is there a 5-10 second delay after I "ssh foo" and before the password prompt?
[10:13] <AngryElf> ..it's not a server side problem, clients on other boxes don't have a delay
[10:13] <Korgmatose> Bderenor, , try looking here a bit: http://alsa.opensrc.org/home/w/org/opensrc/alsa/index.php?title=DmixPlugin
[10:13] <dystopianray> Korgmatose: dmix has been the default on alsa for a while
[10:13] <dystopianray> Korgmatose: you should not need any special configuration
[10:14] <ISRA_sylvacore> anyone who can help me load ubuntu server can have free wesite for a year
[10:15] <Korgmatose> dystopianray, when I installed edgy, I didn't have an asound.conf installed by default, and no matter what I did before that ALSA (or the kernel or gnome or w/e) would leave control to oss
[10:17] <shirish> macd still no success
[10:17] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: i don't think it has something to do with dmix. it's the driver. i have sound on my headphones, but not on the speakers
[10:18] <ISRA_sylvacore> I'm dead serious about the website for a year, just PM me
[10:20] <Korgmatose> Bderenor, ok, my laptop mutes the speakers when I plug in the headphones, so perhaps it's something with the routing or a software-call to make the chip understand that the speakers are enabled that never comes
[10:20] <ISRA_sylvacore> I'm too drunk to read through all this stuff :P
[10:22] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: yes, that's what i think. but the standard switches i get in alsamixer don't do anything. the speakers are muted always, regardless of the state of the headphones
[10:22] <Korgmatose> sounds like launchpad-foor by now, I'm all out of options for now
[10:22] <Korgmatose> food*
[10:24] <Bderenor> so what do i do ?
[10:25] <Nicke> Korgmatose: I haven't followed what you have been discussing. But on my laptop, when I plug in my headset the speakers gets quiet, but I hear no sound in the headset
[10:25] <Bderenor> afl ~ 5 min.
[10:25] <shirish> guys is 800*600@60 conservative settings or 800*600@85 is conservative settings?
[10:25] <Nicke> Korgmatose: Is that something like what you are seeing?
[10:25] <Bderenor> Nicke: do you have a ICH-7 family sound card
[10:26] <Bderenor> Nicke: becaus i'm having trouble with mine
[10:26] <Korgmatose> Nicke, I'm the one with the problem, Bderenor has the exact opposite problem :)
[10:26] <Korgmatose> I'm NOT the one with poblems I meant
[10:26] <Bderenor> Nicke: my speakers don't work
[10:26] <Bderenor> right ^^
[10:26] <Nicke> Bderenor: I should have an "nVidia MCP51 HDA".. it's an Asus A6T
[10:26] <henke> shirish: if it's a CRT monitor you'll want at least 85 for your eyes sake
[10:26] <Nicke> Korgmatose: Oh..
[10:26] <Bderenor> however, afk ~ 5 min.
[10:26] <shirish> henke: its a CRT monitor
[10:27] <henke> shirish: most people notice flickering at 60 Hz
[10:27] <ScarFreewill> yeah
[10:27] <shirish> henke: I am trying for this framebuffer console thing, I do not get any usplash while booting
[10:28] <ScarFreewill> it depends what you are used to some ppl that use up to 85 Hz complain about head pains if their on a 60 Hz pc for a while
[10:30] <Bderenor> re
[10:31] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: what exactly is launchpad and what do i do if i have a "launchpad issue" ?
[10:32] <Korgmatose> launchpad is the bug reporting-system for ubuntu
[10:32] <mcarroll> !launchpad > Bderenor
[10:32] <Korgmatose> or it's hosted at launchpad
[10:33] <N6REJ> can anyone help me get vmware working?
[10:34] <anto> Can somone help me install grub on my a diffrent partion currently runing on live cd ???
[10:36] <_4strO> anto: what is the pb ?
[10:38] <tman_ubuntu> hello ubuntu folks.
[10:38] <tman_ubuntu> ?? for ya
[10:39] <nubbe> Is it likely that instructions for proprietary (Canon) printer drivers for edgy will work on edgy?
[10:39] <nubbe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/CanonPrinters/Canon_LBP_2900
[10:39] <nubbe> an educated guess maybe?  :)
[10:39] <nubbe> on feisty that is
[10:40] <tman_ubuntu> got sound and NIC problems with ASUS M2N-MX motherboard.  fiesty w/ kernal 20-25.  any suggestions?
[10:40] <tman_ubuntu> nVidia chipset btw.
[10:41] <tman_ubuntu> Wow!!  scared that many people off huh?
[10:41] <raptor_hs> uboutu 10x for the exact link
[10:41] <knix> Is NetworkManager currently broken? It only gives me manual config
[10:42] <ISRA_sylvacore> wow!!!!!!!!
[10:42] <ISRA_sylvacore> woo-hoo!!!!!
[10:42] <knix> lmao
[10:42] <knix> looks like I need to ignore joins/parts in here
[10:42] <ISRA_sylvacore> lol
[10:43] <knix> ah, much better :)
[10:46] <compengi> what's the default dackground picture in feisty?
[10:46] <mc44> brownyorangyness
[10:46] <knix> haha
[10:47] <compengi> lol
[10:47] <compengi> really what is it, just want to take a look at it maybe i could get it for my edgy if i liked i
[10:47] <compengi> it*
[10:48] <knix> It looks almost exactly like the edgy bg
[10:48] <compengi> oh
[10:49] <knix> I have "Simple Ubuntu" and "Simple Ubuntu (Edgy)" in my backgrounds list, I'm assuming the former is from Feisty
[10:49] <knix> It's just a smoother one
[10:49] <DanaG> Argh, what would cause the panels not to come up,
[10:50] <Kazz> Is there a way to do a regular system update from the console?  (X won't start at the moment, probably due to problems with either the X packages or nvidia drivers that are currently installed)
[10:50] <knix> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:51] <Kazz> dist-upgrade, eh?  Thanks. :)
[10:51] <mc44> upgrade will also work
[10:51] <knix> well, maybe just upgrade
[10:51] <knix> depending on what you want
[10:51] <DreamThief> mh
[10:51] <_4strO> !cron | Kazz
[10:51] <ubotu> Kazz: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[10:51] <ISRA_sylvacore> anyone who can help me load ubuntu server can have free wesite for a year
[10:51] <DreamThief> Kazz, i got the same problem
[10:51] <ISRA_sylvacore> pm me
[10:52] <_4strO> lol ISRA_sylvacore
[10:52] <DreamThief> ll
[10:52] <ISRA_sylvacore> I'm dead serious
[10:52] <_4strO> what's your pb ?
[10:53] <ISRA_sylvacore> need to load ubuntu server on an optiplex 320
[10:53] <ISRA_sylvacore> all USB, no PS@ ports
[10:53] <ISRA_sylvacore> PS2
[10:53] <Kazz> ISRA_sylvacore: I'd help for free, but I don't have experience with Ubuntu's server version yet...or with that hardware.
[10:54] <DreamThief> omg
[10:54] <ISRA_sylvacore> I can get to the install itself, but the kbd won't work
[10:54] <Kazz> ISRA_sylvacore: The desktop version uses USB mice fine at least, probably keyboards too...the server version won't?
[10:54] <DreamThief> there's no difference between ubu ntu server an ubuntu normal despite the lack of any desktop environment
[10:54] <Kazz> D'oh.  I haven't tried a USB keyboard yet...
[10:55] <_4strO> i have a usb kld and no pb
[10:55] <_4strO> (on my laptop)
[10:55] <ISRA_sylvacore> it's a brand new machine from dell
[10:55] <Kazz> Could there be a BIOS setting that needs to be changed?
[10:55] <_4strO> i think so Kazz
[10:55] <Kazz> _4strO: Did you install with that keyboard, or add it after?
[10:56] <ISRA_sylvacore> I've been messing with th BIOS since 9:00 AM
[10:56] <ISRA_sylvacore> I can get the CD to run, and when I select the LAMP install, it halts
[10:56] <Kazz> It could also be that the USB drivers aren't loaded for the text installer...I don't know whether they are or not...
[10:56] <Kazz> Errr...you can select something with the keyboard and *then* it stops?
[10:57] <ISRA_sylvacore> if I use some command-line options I can get to the install itself, but it locks up, the kbd won't work
[10:58] <ISRA_sylvacore> I want a LAMP server
[10:58] <Kazz> That doesn't sound fun... :(  Have you looked to see if anyone has successfully installed Ubuntu server (or any Linux distributions) on that hardware?
[10:58] <ISRA_sylvacore> I've looked and seem the options I've tried, but to no avail
[10:59] <_4strO> Kazz: install with USC kbd
[10:59] <_4strO> Kazz: install with USB* kbd
[10:59] <PMT> ISRA_sylvacore, what machine?
[10:59] <ISRA_sylvacore> optiplex 320
[10:59] <ISRA_sylvacore> dell
[10:59] <PMT> Also, have you tried toggling LOL PS2 KEYBOARD EMULATION?
[10:59] <ISRA_sylvacore> no PS2 ports at all
[10:59] <darich> ah I hate kernel upgrades
[10:59] <darich> :S
[10:59] <darich> hassle
[11:00] <ISRA_sylvacore> toggling it?
[11:00] <Kazz> ISRA_sylvacore: Toggling something is turning it on or off.
[11:00] <PMT> The BIOS probably has an option in some submenu related to peripherals or USB about emulating PS/2 keyboards with USB keyboards.
[11:00] <ISRA_sylvacore> I know that, lol
[11:00] <ISRA_sylvacore> I'll look again
[11:00] <PMT> Usually just cryptically labeled "PS/2 keyboard emulation" or "USB keyboard emulation" or something silly like that.
[11:00] <Kazz> ISRA_sylvacore: Okay, your question made it sound like you didn't though. :)
[11:01] <starz> mmm
[11:01] <starz> interesting
[11:01] <starz> i noticed that when trying to ssh into one of my servers that its much slower on feisty than edgy
[11:01] <_4strO> ISRA_sylvacore: did you try another USB port ?
[11:01] <starz> i think there may be a networking bug for wired inet
[11:01] <ISRA_sylvacore> yea, front, back
[11:01] <_4strO> (if you have one in another place)
[11:03] <Kazz> starz: Copying large files over the local network hasn't been filling the available bandwidth for me either, but I thought it was probably just that the drivers for my chipset weren't very good yet.  Maybe that's not the reason....
[11:04] <starz> Kazz i noticed that eth0 is sluggish
[11:04] <starz> for everything
[11:04] <starz> i don't code or anything but i would suspect that the drivers got moved to userspace or something equivalent
[11:04] <starz> or that some part of the code is bad
[11:05] <void^> there seems to be a minor issue with the ssh client causing a short delay when connecting to a server
[11:05] <phaidros> strangly since some updates: when I want to move a windows to another workspace (metacity) by rightclicking on the window-bar, the workspace the window is actually in is not highlighted anymore .. thats very disturbing
[11:05] <phaidros> any ideas?
[11:05] <starz> !paste
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[11:05] <starz> void^ mm
[11:05] <starz> i noticed it does that for every kinda outgoing connection tho
[11:05] <Tom47> i have a couple of questions as to whether i have a bug or not ....
[11:05] <starz> including dcc via irc or ftp etc
[11:05] <starz> !paste
[11:07] <starz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15664/  <<--- thats my hardware
[11:07] <Tom47> i have an update linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic that wll not download because permissions are refuse on the server ... is tis ok?
[11:07] <phaidros> where to ask for problems with the workspace switcher ?
[11:07] <starz> also i noticed that both in kde and in gnome that beryl is quite buggy
[11:07] <starz> phaidros right here
[11:07] <starz> just ask dont ask to ask
[11:07] <starz> are you running beryl?
[11:07] <starz> and what wm?
[11:07] <Xteven> whee
[11:07] <_4strO> !ask | phaidros
[11:07] <ubotu> phaidros: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:07] <Xteven> feisty beta works for me, and my packages work without problems
[11:07] <phaidros> starz, my question is already further above :)
[11:08] <starz> i noticed
[11:08] <Kazz> starz: I don't think they would have moved the drivers to userspace, but yeah, it seems like there's some kind of problem.  I really don't know how to track down where it is though...heh.
[11:08] <starz> i asked my question in regards to that :P
[11:08] <phaidros> _4strO: read before use ubotu ;)
[11:08] <starz> kabtoffe i wouldnt think so either.. probably like 4 lines of code somewhere lol
[11:08] <phaidros> starz, even further above ..
 where to ask for problems with the workspace switcher ? <--- ?
[11:08] <phaidros> 23:09 < phaidros> strangly since some updates: when I want to move a windows to another workspace  (metacity) by rightclicking on the window-bar, the workspace the window is actually  in is not highlighted anymore .. thats very disturbing
[11:08] <misfit_toy> interesting, after this big kernel fiasco I went in to do some testing and cleaning of kernels...I found I can't use *any* of the generic kernels, only the -386 kernels (this is a P4 1.8GHz laptop...)
[11:08] <phaidros> _4strO: ^^
 are you running beryl?
 and what wm?
[11:09] <phaidros> starz: ^^
[11:09] <starz> phaidros ^^
[11:09] <phaidros> starz: metacity != beryl :)
[11:09] <starz> just checking
[11:09] <phaidros> I menetioned metacity before ;)
[11:09] <starz> did you install beryl at all?
[11:09] <phaidros> yes
[11:09] <starz> ah
[11:10] <starz> you edited the xorg.conf?
[11:10] <phaidros> using metacity, but have beryl install
[11:10] <phaidros> starz: for what?
[11:10] <starz> did you go with xgl or aiglx
[11:10] <phaidros> I'm just starting AIGLX in xorg
[11:10] <Tom47> when i just booted a full diskcheck cycle occurred and it referred to sda1 and sda3 etc vs hda ... is this somethin new or is it simply because i am now using the uuid fastab
[11:10] <starz> ya ok
[11:11] <starz> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/06/install-beryl-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-aiglx-for-nvidia-ubuntu-704/
[11:11] <phaidros> is AIGLX causing metacity misbehavior?
[11:11] <phaidros> starz: I'm using ati :/
[11:11] <phaidros> with ati corg driver
[11:12] <phaidros> starz: I'm not having beryl problems, just the workspace switcher in metacity O.o
[11:12] <starz> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_feisty_beryl_ati_radeon
[11:12] <starz> yes yes
[11:12] <starz> but sometimes things bork up other things
[11:12] <starz> if you got it installed get it configged right and then go back to it
[11:12] <starz> lemme ask this:
[11:12] <starz> did you go beryl >> metacity and back on this session?
[11:12] <starz> you might only need to restart X
[11:12] <starz> so did you try that?
[11:13] <Ju_> hello
[11:13] <phaidros> starz: no, this sessionis just metacity, freshly booted a couple of hours ago
[11:13] <Ju_> can someone help me with direct a rendering problem?
[11:13] <phaidros> not used beryl for some weeks
[11:13] <starz> mmm
[11:13] <Korgmatose> with feisty close to being released, will the version of beryl shipped be working, like in edgy, or will we ATI-users still have to endure whitescreens and ld_preload and replace ?
[11:14] <starz> ok can you take screenie of what your talking about plz?
[11:14] <starz> lol
[11:14] <starz> Korgmatose i'm sure that they will try to get it all worked out :P
[11:14] <starz> thats what alpha and beta testing is all about :)
[11:14] <Tom47> would a switch to UUID in fstab be causing ubuntu to change refernces to hda/hda to switch to sda/sdc?
[11:14] <phaidros> starz: hm, gnome doesn't let me screenshot while having a right-click menu open :/
[11:15] <phaidros> Tom47: imho not.
[11:15] <WaZ`> Anyone know how to enable direct rendering on an intel i945GM ?
[11:15] <Ju_> I have problems with direct rendering with an Intel 945GM with feisty fawn, can someone help me?
[11:16] <Tom47> phaidros oh wonder why its happening in feisty then
[11:16] <macd> phaidros, just use gnome-screenshot --delay 5  that means in 5 seconds it will take the shot
[11:16] <phaidros> startz: go metacity, take a window bar (top), righ-click on it, open "move to another workspace": you see all workspaces avail, the one where the window resides right now used to be greyed out ..
[11:17] <phaidros> ah, thanks macd
[11:17] <nixnoob> how do i blacklist a module?
[11:18] <cavediver> Hi all. I have a thinkpad and the sound disappeared a month ago. Seems like the bug still isn't fixed. Any ideas?
[11:19] <starz> phaidros ah
[11:19] <starz> and now its not greyed out?
[11:19] <starz> or all of them are greyed out
[11:19] <Tom47> nixnoob i think its done in/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[11:19] <starz> cavediver did you make sure you had right device checked?
[11:19] <phaidros> starz: none is greyed out. (screenshot still needed?)
[11:19] <starz> no i understand what your saying now
[11:19] <phaidros> kewl :)
[11:19] <cavediver> starz: I haven't change anything.
[11:20] <starz> is the whole right click menu different phaidros ?
[11:20] <phaidros> starz: nope the same as it always was
[11:20] <starz> cavediver i understand right click on audio icon and do open volume control [assuming gnome here] 
[11:20] <cavediver> starz: sure.
[11:20] <starz> phaidros you do have multiple workspaces?
[11:21] <starz> what theme are you using
[11:21] <phaidros> starz: yes, thats what its all about :)
[11:21] <phaidros> starz: standard ubuntu
[11:21] <starz> mm
[11:21] <phaidros> starz: do you have that also? or is the one u are on right now greyed out there?
[11:22] <starz> mm
[11:22] <starz> is beryl-manager running at all even tho your in metacity?
[11:23] <phaidros> beryl manager is running
[11:23] <starz> right click and select reload window manager
[11:23] <starz> and also do the same for window dressing or w/e
[11:23] <phaidros> hm, ok I see what you mean .. nasty beryl manager
[11:23] <starz> :P
[11:23] <starz> it likes to play with u a little and make u guess a bit at times
[11:24] <starz> cavediver where u at
[11:24] <phaidros> hm, problem still exists
[11:24] <Ju_> I have problems with direct rendering with an Intel 945GM with feisty fawn, can someone help me?
[11:24] <starz> phaidros switch to beryl
[11:24] <starz> then switch back
[11:24] <cavediver> starz: it's open
[11:25] <starz> go to file > change device
[11:25] <starz> tell me what you see there
[11:25] <starz> Ju_ that intel is your vid card?
[11:25] <starz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402163
[11:26] <starz> there u go Ju_
[11:26] <starz> google to the rescue
[11:26] <phaidros> starz: except I had to sort 20 windows back to their workspaces nothing changed :)
[11:26] <starz> lol
[11:26] <starz> that sux
[11:26] <Ju_> I have a intel 945GM
[11:26] <starz> ok phaidros open system > admin > user management or w/e
[11:26] <starz> and make a new user
[11:26] <starz> and give em full rights to everything and start new session as that user
[11:27] <smarter> hi
[11:28] <phaidros> hm. ok, thats alot hassle for now. I see your point an freshly understood that somehow metacity is started by beryl-manager, right? when then again could cause my problem.
[11:28] <TheVault> How do I make a launcher to a folder inside my home directory? Everytime I try to create a launcher, it says "There was an error launching the application. Details: Failed to execute child process "/home/kylewitt/music."(permission denied)......How do I fix this?
[11:28] <starz> phaidros
[11:28] <TheVault> I'm trying to make this launcher on the desktop
[11:28] <smarter> I've some hotkeys on my laptop (XF86AudioRaiseVolume, XF86AudioLowerVolume, ...) which worked with edgy but don't produce anything with feisty
[11:28] <phaidros> starz: I'll investigate that further once, there is not a pile of work in front of me :)
[11:28] <starz> i am betting its a setting somewhere
[11:28] <starz> takes only a moment to make the user
[11:28] <phaidros> tahnks for your suggestions!
[11:29] <phaidros> ah, ok. I could switch session then and keep mine, good idea!
[11:29] <starz> applications > system tools > new login
[11:29] <starz> yeah
[11:29] <starz> just log out from the new one and you revert to old one
[11:29] <phaidros> but wait: switching to another user creates a new session?
[11:29] <starz> gotta put pass in if its seutp like that
[11:29] <starz> it basically goes to screensaver mode
[11:29] <starz> then your new session takes over the X window
[11:29] <starz> quite nice actually
[11:30] <starz> not quite fast user switching but close
[11:30] <starz> =P
[11:30] <starz> ;)
[11:30] <phaidros> hm, at least one more osx-like feature, which is good!
[11:30] <starz> ok cavediver what did you see?
[11:30] <TheVault> Can someone help me create a launcher to my desktop to a folder inside my home directory?
[11:30] <starz> yeah no problem TheVault
[11:30] <starz> open terminal
[11:30] <starz> cd /home
[11:31] <starz> sudo ln -s /home/username/Desktop whateveryouwantyourshortcuttobecalled
[11:31] <ZombiekE> hello guys, I see from the topic that  the bugs are fixed, have they been released? how do I update?  sudo apt-get update?
[11:31] <phaidros> TheVault: you can use nautilus for that also.
[11:31] <starz> ZombiekE that updates package list
[11:31] <starz> sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:31] <TheVault> starz: No no, I mean create a launcher on my desktop. The directory of that launcher would be going to my home directory to a folder I specify
[11:31] <ZombiekE> thanks starz :)
[11:31] <starz> oh
[11:31] <phaidros> try with hold shift or alt or strg, when moving the folder icon to your desktop, you'll see different action symbols at the destination icon
[11:32] <starz> same format anyway
[11:32] <starz> np ZombiekE
[11:32] <TheVault> oh, lemme try the shift or alt
[11:32] <starz> oo
[11:32] <starz> didnt know that one phaidros good on ya
[11:32] <starz> ;)
[11:32] <starz> noipe
[11:32] <starz> nope
[11:33] <starz> shift didnt work neither did alt
[11:33] <starz> i was trying to make a link to /home
[11:33] <starz> lol
[11:33] <TheVault> yeah, the alt just copies it
[11:33] <starz> so then
[11:33] <TheVault> The alt, shift or the windows button don't work when dragging
[11:33] <starz> the other way from metacity is to right click on desktop and create launcher
[11:33] <smarter> anybody to help me with my hotkey problem?
[11:33] <phaidros> starz: strg show a plus => makes copy, alt shows a question mark, and letz you decide once you release mouse button :)
[11:34] <Hidan> okay this is just it... i can't find a good trillian alternative that meets my needs. i freaking guess the only other way is to run Trillian through wine... good bloody gods.
[11:34] <starz> phaidros not for me
[11:34] <starz> =p
[11:34] <TheVault> starz: Yeah, I know you can right click on the desktop and create a launcher, but when I point to a folder inside my home directory and whatnot, I go to launch it I get a permission denied
[11:34] <starz> Hidan oi
[11:34] <starz> try gaim it worx rather nice
[11:34] <phaidros> starz: what? thats standard nautilus behaviour since i ue ubuntu (which is since warty)
[11:34] <starz> TheVault then just do from terminal
[11:35] <starz> phaidros *shrug*
[11:35] <TheVault> starz: How would I do it from terminal?
[11:35] <starz> TheVault
[11:35] <starz> cd ~/Desktop
[11:35] <Hidan> starz: well gaim is pretty good, i admit, but ... i have over 100 ICQ nicks on my list and since I've to add in each and every one of them, that'd be a pure nightmare.
[11:35] <starz> ln -s /path/to/some/thing thenameuwant
[11:35] <starz> you mgiht have to do sudo if its a protected directory like /home or /
[11:36] <TheVault> and that will create a shortcut to the folder I specify?
[11:36] <starz> yup
[11:36] <TheVault> Alright, lemme give it a whirl
[11:36] <Hidan> starz: I even tried going into #pidgin to ask if mass-loading of ICQ nicks could be done within Pidgin but no answer.
[11:36] <Hidan> oh well.
[11:37] <phaidros> starz: maybe try to install nautilus-scripts or one of such packets. its very handy behaviour
[11:37] <TheVault> starz: Thanks. That worked like a charm!
[11:37] <phaidros> actually: is pidgin in repos already?
[11:37] <TheVault> its stupid how gaim has a new name now. Stupid legal shit, I hate it all!
[11:37] <starz> brb
[11:38] <Tom47> i have installed the ati drivers but cannot locate fglrxconfig .... anyone know where it is?
[11:38] <starz> TheVault np
[11:38] <starz> phaidros thats probably what i need lol
[11:38] <tmccrary> Well, gAIM was kind of stupid name to pick
[11:38] <starz> Hidan eh?
[11:38] <TheVault> starz: Thanks to you, I now also know a new command :D
[11:38] <tmccrary> I mean that's like calling GNOME GWINDOWS
[11:38] <starz> mass loading of icq nicks?
[11:38] <tmccrary> and not expecting anything to happen
[11:38] <starz> like multiple icq accounts?
[11:38] <starz> Tom47 you mean to configure for X ?
[11:39] <starz> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:39] <smarter> Tom47, now it's aticonfig, not fglrxconfig
[11:39] <Hidan> starz: no no... more like, all my ICQ buddies' appear as numbers on the Gaim list. To add in their nicknames, I have to right-click on each and every one of them and type in an "Alias".
[11:39] <Tom47> smarter aha ok ty
[11:39] <starz> heh smarter to the rescue
[11:39] <starz> Hidan ah
[11:39] <starz> um
[11:39] <Tom47> starz ty for response
[11:39] <smarter> now if someone can help me... :P
[11:39] <starz> lemme think for a second...
[11:39] <Hidan> starz: Now, eh I've over 100 people with ICQ nicks... that's a huge nightmare
[11:40] <starz> previously it picked up the aliases from the server correct?
[11:40] <starz> brb restarting compy
[11:40] <Hidan> starz: uhhh no? This is my first time using GAIM
[11:40] <starz> i mean in windows or whatever client you used before
[11:42] <Ju_> ok thanks
[11:42] <Ju_> I will be back soon =)
[11:42] <Tom47> i have a message have to use kernel agp rather than fglrx .... shouldn't i need fglrx?  and how?
[11:43] <Hidan> starz: yes, in Trillian... it'd auto-load the ICQ nicks. :p
[11:43] <sirius> lol what should i do with my SL-5500 zaurus?
[11:43] <phaidros> heya starz :)
[11:43] <smarter> Tom47: To use internel agp you have to add an option to the device part of your xorg.conf
[11:43] <phaidros> starz: give it to mee :)
[11:44] <sirius> its running linux right now and sitting on my desktop as a spare box
[11:44] <sirius> :P
[11:44] <phaidros> starz: new user has the same workspace switcher problem :(
[11:44] <smarter> Option "UseInternelAGPGart" "no"
[11:44] <smarter> or at least i think so :P
[11:44] <Tom47> smarter ah ok ty
[11:44] <linux_kid> macd, is the bcm43xx update ready :)    (don't you just enjoy me bothering you?)
[11:44] <noisymouse> How do I set up my wireless card from the terminal? (Not loading kernel modules or anything like that , just connecting to a particular network)
[11:44] <phaidros> ah sirius, I just bricked mine and gave it to a friend who re-alived it :)
[11:44] <phaidros> now he's having it with linux also
[11:44] <phaidros> and I don't :(
[11:45] <sirius> i dontknow what to do with it tho
[11:45] <sirius> lol
[11:45] <smarter> noisymouse: sudo ifup eth1
[11:45] <sirius> right now its running openzaurus and i installed the sdk kit for it
[11:45] <smarter> (assuming eth1 is your wifi card)
[11:45] <sirius> so im compiling stuff like nano and bsflite and links/lynx
[11:45] <sirius> on it :P
[11:45] <phaidros> sirius: its a great tool for wireless community networking, put an wireless card with anteanna adapter on an chekc lines of sight for network nodes :)
[11:45] <noisymouse> smarter: it will prompt me for the network name at that point?
[11:46] <sirius> yeah i have kismet on it
[11:46] <phaidros> sirius: http://freifunk.net
[11:46] <smarter> noisymouse: nop
[11:46] <noisymouse> smarter: so what about that part?
[11:46] <smarter> noisymouse: you've to change this in the /etc/network/interfaces file
[11:47] <smarter> or to play with iwconfig
[11:47] <smarter> sudo iwconfig essid my_essid
[11:47] <smarter> sudo iwconfig key my_key
[11:47] <smarter> oops
[11:47] <phaidros> sirius: sadly its mostly in german :/
[11:47] <starz> phaidros that means its not a config thing
[11:47] <smarter> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid my_essid
[11:47] <phaidros> starz: true
[11:47] <starz> its probably one of the packages you have in the system or a loaded module
[11:47] <starz> do you have direct rendering working? out of curiosity and all
[11:48] <noisymouse> smarter: and if my wireless carrd isn't eth1, how would i find out what it is?
[11:48] <starz> Hidan ok looking
[11:48] <smarter> noisymouse: type in a console iwconfig
[11:48] <Hidan> starz: okay thank you. =D
[11:48] <phaidros> starz: yes, luckily my card is supported with dri on xorg's ati driver
[11:48] <phaidros> starz: could only be something with gnome so far
[11:48] <smarter> noisymouse: if you get something like "eth0      no wireless extensions." it's not a wifi card
[11:49] <noisymouse> ok. Thanks.
[11:49] <phaidros> starz: anyway. thank you. I'll have to live with it for now :)
[11:49] <linux_kid> How do I get my synaptics touchpad to use vertical scrolling in feisty (worked out-of-box in edgy & dapper)
[11:50] <phaidros> linux_kid: works here on feisty like a charme
[11:50] <smarter> for me too
[11:50] <linux_kid> phaidros, laptop model?
[11:50] <linux_kid> smarter, laptop model?
[11:50] <phaidros> linux_kid: see if this is in your xork.conf: http://pastie.caboo.se/53892
[11:51] <phaidros> linux_kid: thinkpad t41p
[11:51] <smarter> linux_kid: hp compaq nx8220
[11:51] <phaidros> \/done
[11:51] <linux_kid> phaidros, ok
[11:51] <linux_kid> smarter, i have a compaq v5204nr
[11:53] <sirius> is ebay down for anyone else?
[11:53] <sirius> or just me?
[11:53] <starz> http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/466 check that out Hidan
[11:53] <macd> linux_kid, it builds, but after I tested it, I cant use wifi at all
[11:53] <starz> mebbie thats a hint
[11:53] <macd> it seems to turn the radio on and off for no reason
[11:53] <linux_kid> macd, that's not so great, :(
[11:54] <macd> yeah, not at all
[11:54] <linux_kid> macd, can you save your system?
[11:54] <vpol> i've updated kernel to 2.6.20-15.25 today, but it doesn't help. still freeze while booting. amd64 with 32-bit ubuntu feisty.
[11:54] <linux_kid> macd, i would feel horrible if I crashed your wifi
[11:54] <macd> I think I see the problem in the code possibly bcm43xx_is_hw_radio_enabled seems to be not enabled
[11:54] <macd> linux_kid, its ok, I know how to revert ;P
[11:55] <Hidan> starz: whoa you serious?! O_o;; Hmmm.... oh no, that's talking about aliases you can set within Gaim"
[11:55] <Hidan> starz: thank you anyways ^^
[11:55] <linux_kid> macd, ok, well... i think I will be using linuxant until bcm43xx is fixed. Thank you a ton for your help :)
[11:55] <macd> np np
[11:55] <starz> Hidan mmm
[11:55] <starz> sorta
[11:56] <macd> Im still going to try and fix it, if it works and your around you'll know about it
[11:56] <cables> Was the Feisty kernel problem completely fixed by the new linux-image update?
[11:56] <ariston> hi, i'm running fiesty has a xen server. i'm trying to setup debian sarge as a guest, but debian isn't too happy because the lack of devpts in the Ubuntu xen kernel. Does anyone know what I'd need to enable in the xen kernel in order to be able to mount /dev/pts within /dev?
[11:56] <Hidan> starz: oh man... this is just some sticky problem, :p
[11:59] <k`ubuntu> a noob question, what exactly this "Expect breakage" means? :) Break in testing or it may delay the release date as well?
[11:59] <starz> lol
[11:59] <starz> in testing
[11:59] <phaidros> which is ubuntu-dev channel?
[11:59] <linux_kid> how do I blacklist bcm43xx?
[11:59] <k`ubuntu> thanks starz, I want to install the final Feisty, asap :)
[12:00] <smarter> linux_kid: to blacklist a module, add an entry blacklist name_of_module to the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[12:00] <linux_kid> smarter, thank you
[12:01] <starz> k`ubuntu consider making a seperate root partition for it, and a seperate username and reuse swap and /home
[12:01] <starz> hehe
[12:01] <gils> i need some VNC and SSH help. I understand that inorder to VNC from a computer to my ubuntu box at home a gnome-session needs to be running. But i can ssh into a computer even if no user is logged on. How do i use vnc to log into my computer if no one is logged in!!!?
[12:01] <smarter> gils: I don't think it's possible
[12:01] <k`ubuntu> starz, why? Beta running now for testing purposes, and will install (hopefully) final next week for fix using
[12:02] <smarter> gils: but why do you want this?  ssh can do everythin vnc can do
[12:02] <eck> gils: maybe if you write a really complicated pam policy... it would not be easy though
[12:02] <starz> mmmmmmm
[12:02] <starz> found something really interesting Hidan
[12:03] <Hidan> starz: yeah, really? xD
[12:03] <gils> smarter: i cant for the life of me figure out how to get an X environment with ssh....
[12:03] <gils> i am an SSH/VNC noob so take it easy on me boys :-)
[12:04] <smarter> gils: just do ssh -X :)
[12:04] <eck> gils: you will also need to make sure it is enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[12:04] <gils> ahhh
[12:04] <gils> enabled, but of course
[12:04] <gils> let me see
[12:05] <eck> gils: if you look at /var/log/auth.log you will see ssh errors, and if you had it disabled you would see in that log file when you tried to connect
[12:05] <assasukasse> well i must add something, if u wanna connect to ssh -x start a program, then let the server run it, well u have to stay connected for all the time, otherwise it will be lost
[12:06] <hooray> question- how many instances of gdm do i need running? i have 2 can i just have 1? i dont need 6 instances of getty running, i took those out by deleteing tty2-6 in etc/event.d . i saved a whopping 2 mbs of ram...
[12:06] <eck> yeah... ssh with x11 forwarding kind of sucks
[12:07] <hooray> theres also dbus-daemon and a fork of it...
[12:07] <eck> hooray: that is awesome, i have never known anyone to delete their gettys before
[12:07] <assasukasse> for example, i have the need to control my server via VNC, so that i can show ppl things while i am doing them , seems there is no way to do that with ssh, or at least i've not find yet
[12:07] <hooray> just 1 left
[12:07] <eck> hooray: i hope you have screen installed
[12:07] <assasukasse> moreover, trying to secure tunnerl vnc was unsuccesful
[12:08] <assasukasse> i tried to run vnc4server by loading the module in xorg.conf and telling it to listen only to localhost
[12:08] <eck> hooray: i think gdm is designed to run as two processes
[12:08] <assasukasse> then ssh -L 5901:myserver:5900 myserver
[12:09] <assasukasse> ssh works fine, but i can't tunnel at all
[12:10] <starz> http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:GDgF1I1E2_IJ:http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gaim/gaim/ChangeLog?rev=1.1179&view=markup
[12:10] <starz> sigh
[12:10] <starz> its about a quarter down the page
[12:10] <starz> search for use remote alias
[12:10] <assasukasse> if someone wants to help, here is the forum entry..http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402035
[12:10] <eck> hooray: but if it is just a fork i suspect a lot of the memory is shared anyway
[12:11] <gils> my x forward is on int he ssh.conf but i cant get X started up. can you tell me what i am supposed to do. I am now typing ssh -x [HOST]  i get nothing
[12:11] <Hidan> starz: ooh use remote alias hmmm
[12:11] <BluesKaj> looking for a fix for the shutdown procedure ...X keeps turning back on and off ,but won't shut off ...any ideas ?
[12:12] <Hidan> starz: good gods, they removed that?!
[12:12] <starz> Hidan now to find out if its gone :P
[12:12] <starz> i think mebbie we need to ask for a patch to put it back in~!
[12:12] <Hidan> starz: why the heck... lol
[12:12] <starz> although that might have been part of hte problem why it was deleting userlists from server during one of hte betas
[12:12] <void^> gils: -x disables X11 forwarding.
[12:12] <Hidan> starz: oh man... :/ that's just... a really difficult choice.
[12:13] <starz> Hidan all that with just google
[12:13] <starz> i want the solution too tho
[12:13] <gils> ok
[12:13] <starz> they really really need that
[12:13] <Hidan> starz: yeah... try setting an alias manually with over 100 nicks!
[12:14] <tmccrary> They have tools to make that easier
[12:14] <tmccrary> http://www.vectorsite.net/tsawk_1.html
[12:14] <Hidan> starz: that'd take like forever...
[12:15] <gils> ok i get it i get it.....i will go RTFM.....
[12:19] <Hidan> starz: i gotta go soon but any idea where to post a request for this feature in Gaim? :P
[12:20] <heno> *** LATEST KERNEL 2.6.20-15.27 : http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/kernels/feisty/ *** wide testing appreciated
[12:20] <mc44> haha
[12:20] <Hidan> starz: oh wait... they have a tracker where you can post tickets.
[12:23] <mc44> heno: no amd64 for .27?