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| geser | apt-get uses only one connection per server, if you have several servers configured apt-get fetches the lists in parallel | 12:11 |
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| fryfrog | kylem: those screenshots provide anything useful? | 12:12 |
| kylem | sort of :) | 12:12 |
| fryfrog | would it be helpful for me to test that -15.24 kernel? | 12:13 |
| kylem | yeah | 12:13 |
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| fryfrog | okay, lemme go down and get onto the live cd again :) | 12:13 |
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| fryfrog | kylem: should i feed this one the ignore_hpa=1 option? or try w/o? | 12:22 |
| kylem | please try both, but it's ignore_hpa=0 (1 is the default) | 12:23 |
| fryfrog | ahhhh | 12:23 |
| fryfrog | seems like "ignore_hpa=1" would turn ignore on | 12:23 |
| fryfrog | but i'll try both :) | 12:23 |
| fryfrog | any preference on which one first? | 12:23 |
| kylem | nope. | 12:24 |
| fryfrog | that worked, both with the =1 and =0 | 12:29 |
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| fryfrog | would you like the dmesg from both? i've saved them if you like | 12:31 |
| kylem | yes. please. | 12:31 |
| fryfrog | !pastebin | 12:31 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 12:31 |
| fryfrog | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15445/ (hpa=0) | 12:33 |
| fryfrog | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15446/ (hpa=1) | 12:34 |
| fryfrog | currently, it is booted w/o any kernel args, into "nomral" mode | 12:34 |
| fryfrog | and working fine :) | 12:34 |
| kylem | er. you didn't specify either of them? | 12:35 |
| kylem | bizarre. | 12:35 |
| fryfrog | yeah, on the 3rd (final) boot | 12:35 |
| kylem | but it booted on all 3? | 12:35 |
| kylem | interesting, heh. | 12:35 |
| kylem | thanks for your time | 12:35 |
| fryfrog | yup | 12:35 |
| kylem | :) | 12:35 |
| fryfrog | np, i prefer to at least provide some guinne pig when i can :) | 12:36 |
| fryfrog | guinnea? | 12:36 |
| fryfrog | well, you know | 12:36 |
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| fryfrog | I see what looks like some debug msgs left by "BEN" maybe :) | 12:37 |
| kylem | yeah those are fixed in the version in the archive :) | 12:37 |
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| fryfrog | i'm not super hacker, but it seems like hpa was simply disabled for this entirely | 12:38 |
| fryfrog | silly question, would using that kernel .deb make the l-r-m modules not work? i'm quite sure the answer is yes | 12:40 |
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| kylem | fryfrog, yeah. | 12:41 |
| fryfrog | kk | 12:41 |
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| fryfrog | but the -15.25 is soon-to-join the repos, right? | 12:41 |
| kylem | when the version hits the archive, everything shouldbe groovy though. | 12:41 |
| fryfrog | (along with all the stuff it goes with) | 12:41 |
| fryfrog | kk | 12:41 |
| kylem | fryfrog, i already see it for amd64, i386 should be a little while. | 12:41 |
| fryfrog | ah, sweet | 12:41 |
| fryfrog | i appreciate all your help :) | 12:42 |
| kylem | np. s'what i'm hear for. :) | 12:42 |
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| fryfrog | i think i am seeing the -15.24 in dist-upgrade, i thought it was going to be -15.25? | 12:45 |
| kylem | it will be | 12:46 |
| fryfrog | at least, dist upgrade is offering to update it | 12:46 |
| kylem | must not be in the archive yet | 12:46 |
| fryfrog | and aptitude show gives it as -15.24 | 12:46 |
| cjwatson | -15.25 isn't finished for i386 yet | 12:47 |
| cjwatson | https://launchpad.net/+builds/vernadsky | 12:48 |
| fryfrog | is there a -15.24 in the repos? | 12:48 |
| fryfrog | i don't see it on one box | 12:48 |
| cjwatson | yes, for i386 | 12:48 |
| fryfrog | but on the other, it thinks there is :/ | 12:48 |
| fryfrog | ah | 12:48 |
| cjwatson | for amd64 you should see -15.25 | 12:48 |
| cjwatson | we're in the middle of the -15.25 build cycle and pedalling as fast as possible | 12:49 |
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| fryfrog | ah, it must be picking it up because i installed the .deb that kylem showed me | 12:49 |
| kylem | ... sparc beat i386? :) | 12:49 |
| fryfrog | my other box sees the -15.24, but isn't trying to install it | 12:49 |
| cjwatson | kylem: fewer flavours | 12:51 |
| cjwatson | i386 tends to be late | 12:51 |
| kylem | true | 12:51 |
| cjwatson | 386, generic, server, server-bigiron, lowlatency, and any I forgot | 12:51 |
| Kmos | why it take so long to build it ? | 12:51 |
| Kmos | 3 hours.. | 12:51 |
| kylem | lowlatency of all the flavours, no? | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | Kmos: it's not running on the fastest available box | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | kylem: don't think so | 12:52 |
| Kmos | cjwatson :-( | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | Kmos: which is my fault, I forgot to page a buildd admin to set that up | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | faster to just leave it going now | 12:52 |
| Kmos | yeah | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | but it does always take a while, it's doing five kernel builds from scratch | 12:52 |
| Kmos | what machine is it ? very slowly.. | 12:53 |
| Kmos | it's on the launchpad machine' | 12:53 |
| Kmos | ? | 12:53 |
| cjwatson | I can't remember if ccache is involved but ISTR it doesn't help much because there are so many different packages going through that the ccache tends not to be live | 12:53 |
| cjwatson | it's one of the i386 buildds | 12:53 |
| cjwatson | I don't really think it's doing all that disgracefully badly considering that there are five kernel builds to do in that time | 12:54 |
| cjwatson | with full module sets for each | 12:54 |
| cjwatson | it'll get there, no point worrying about it now | 12:54 |
| kylem | probably doesn't have CONCURRENCY_LEVEL set either. | 12:54 |
| cjwatson | it should do | 12:54 |
| kylem | ah. that's good then. | 12:54 |
| cjwatson | that's done automatically by the kernel's debian/rules if /CurrentlyBuilding exists which it should do on the buildds | 12:54 |
| Kmos | tomorrow is done =) | 12:55 |
| Kmos | lol | 12:55 |
| cjwatson | you're not really helping | 12:55 |
| Kmos | i would like to.. | 12:55 |
| Kmos | :) | 12:55 |
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| fryfrog | i noticed that earlier... that looks like an XP key :p | 12:56 |
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| Kmos | yeah | 12:57 |
| cjwatson | mjg59: bug 106328 is a regression introduced by your most recent upload | 01:00 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106328 in hotkey-setup "dell.hk: line 21: setkeycode: command not found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106328 | 01:00 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: ^-- | 01:01 |
| cjwatson | I'm going to fix that since it looks trivial to do so | 01:01 |
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| cjwatson | -setkeycode e06d $KEY_MEDIA # (Inspiron) Media (e06d) | 01:05 |
| cjwatson | +setkeycodes e06d $KEY_MEDIA # (Inspiron) Media (e06d) | 01:05 |
| fryfrog | wow, +s is simple | 01:06 |
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| Kmos | cjwatson: that's an easy fix =) | 01:07 |
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| mjg59 | cjwatson: Aw, feck :( Sorry! | 01:45 |
| mjg59 | Thanks for the fix | 01:45 |
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| conn | hi mjg59, re: bug 103768 with network-manager and softmac drivers, did you identify where the problem is in nm/wpasupplicant? I read on the zd1211rw page of known issues that the interface needs to be brought up "ifconfig eth1 up" before sending commands, perhaps that's a quirk with softmac drivers? | 02:29 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 103768 in linux-source-2.6.20 "softmac and network-manager cite unreconcilable differences" [Critical,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103768 | 02:29 |
| conn | it's certainly an issue on my systems, tested on two separate pcs running feisty and tested with two different zd1211-based cards | 02:29 |
| mjg59 | I'm still looking into it | 02:33 |
| conn | alright, thanks. It'd be nice to get this fix in before the final release, I'll be happy to contribute towards troubleshooting etc. to make it happen | 02:35 |
| mjg59 | conn: Right now it seems like I'm the only person working on it | 02:36 |
| mjg59 | My time is a bit limited, but I think I have a vague handle on what the problem is | 02:36 |
| mjg59 | The issue is finding a way of fixing it without interfering with other drivers | 02:36 |
| mjg59 | Can't absolutely promise anything, but I'm still working on it | 02:36 |
| conn | I'll do some testing on my systems and if I find anything useful, I'll add to the bug. I just couldn't find where NetworkManager sets the ESSID, keys etc via wpasupplicant. | 02:37 |
| conn | hmm I don't mean to pressure you at all, of course :). And I appreciate the work all of you are doing, heh ;) | 02:37 |
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| pochu | mjg59: n-m from p.u.c/~scott/packages works better than ever :-) It now starts connected if I'm connected to the wired network (before upgrading, it didn't start connected). And now I can connect to my wpa wireless network (I'm there atm) but with the previous version I had problems to do it :) | 02:47 |
| pochu | mjg59: I'm here because the mail to u-d would get moderated :) | 02:48 |
| pochu | btw, does liferea works fine for you? :) | 02:48 |
| mjg59 | Liferea seems fine for me | 02:48 |
| pochu | Cool :) Though there seems to be a little problems with it for other people :-/ | 02:49 |
| cjwatson | wow, building a full set of all language packs really does take quite a while | 02:49 |
| pochu | What about an i386 kernel in a slow machine? :p | 02:49 |
| pochu | mjg59: btw, did you forget to set an Ubuntu Maintainer? ;) | 02:50 |
| cjwatson | it'll probably still be done before the 300+ other needs-build items for i386 | 02:50 |
| cjwatson | it's all still churning, just taking a while | 02:50 |
| poningru | halp | 02:50 |
| poningru | who was it that packaged beryl? | 02:50 |
| poningru | do users with ati or intel graphics still have to add stuff to their xorg.conf? | 02:51 |
| cjwatson | oho, kernel seems to be into binary stage finally | 02:51 |
| cjwatson | amd64 and powerpc have quiesced | 02:52 |
| mjg59 | pochu: No, I upload stuff under my own address | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | It's likely to carry on working longer than my @ubuntu one :) | 02:54 |
| pochu | +Maintainer: Riccardo Setti <giskard@debian.org> | 02:55 |
| pochu | dpkg-buildpackage complained because there wasn't an Ubuntu address there ;) | 02:55 |
| mjg59 | Which package was that? | 02:56 |
| cjwatson | it only complains if your own DEBEMAIL is @ubuntu.com | 02:56 |
| pochu | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/packages/network-manager_0.6.4-6ubuntu7.diff.gz | 02:57 |
| cjwatson | or rather =~ /ubuntu/ | 02:57 |
| mjg59 | pochu: I've never uploaded n-m | 02:57 |
| pochu | ups, sorry | 02:57 |
| pochu | mjg59: It was Keibuk :S | 02:57 |
| mjg59 | Scott is keybuk | 02:57 |
| pochu | hehe | 02:57 |
| cjwatson | sorry, it only fatally complains if DEBEMAIL =~ /ubuntu/. It does warn otherwise but you can ignore ittt | 02:57 |
| cjwatson | it | 02:57 |
| === pochu really needs to sleep :) | ||
| pochu | my DEBEMAIL is pochu@ubuntu.com, so maybe that's why I had to change it | 02:58 |
| cjwatson | people with DEBEMAIL =~ /ubuntu/ are responsible for handling it; others are not | 02:59 |
| pochu | then I assume the responsability :) | 02:59 |
| cjwatson | I'm not convinced it's an ideal heuristic but it's what we have | 02:59 |
| pochu | It's better than nothing, isn't it? ;) | 02:59 |
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| pochu | mjg59: Sorry for bothering you, I'm going to sleep right now :) | 03:00 |
| pochu | Have a nice weekend! | 03:00 |
| mjg59 | Night! | 03:00 |
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| cjwatson | sparc has quiesced | 03:15 |
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| cjwatson | as has ia64, so it's just the i386 backlog left | 03:18 |
| BenC | cjwatson: any plans to update the i386 buildd? | 03:27 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: if it had hit palmer, it'd be fine - my fault | 03:28 |
| cjwatson | don't know about vernadsky upgrade plans | 03:29 |
| kylem | heh | 03:29 |
| cjwatson | argh, how many times does the kernel build hit stamp-build-kernel anyway? | 03:29 |
| BenC | pretty sure we could acquire a dual quad-core pretty easily | 03:30 |
| BenC | cjwatson: blame make-kpkg :/ | 03:30 |
| BenC | well, blame it now, because it wont be blamed in gutsy | 03:30 |
| ajmitch | anything specific that you want tested with latest kernel? just that it boots? | 03:30 |
| BenC | ajmitch: make sure you test -15.25 | 03:31 |
| BenC | -15.24 is known broken on sata_nv | 03:31 |
| ajmitch | yeah I've got that | 03:31 |
| ajmitch | and I have sata_nv | 03:31 |
| === ajmitch is also testing lvm on raid | ||
| BenC | basically that it boots and that your drive sizes look sane | 03:31 |
| ajmitch | since it's been 2 months since I last rebooted :) | 03:31 |
| BenC | hopefully you wont hit any problems, I think we're all out of fire extinguishers | 03:32 |
| kylem | i'm wearing my asbestos vest today. | 03:32 |
| ajmitch | I'll track down a dapper live cd in case | 03:32 |
| cjwatson | dpkg-deb: building package `linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic' in `../linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.25_i386.deb'. | 03:32 |
| cjwatson | shouldn't be too long now | 03:33 |
| BenC | yay | 03:33 |
| cjwatson | unfortunately hotkey-setup/i386 is stuck behind all the language packs, so I have to wait for them all | 03:34 |
| cjwatson | I'm unwilling to page any buildd admins at this time | 03:35 |
| BenC | are the language packs quick? | 03:39 |
| wasabi | evms' udev rules only running on dm-* and raid is a bit... annoying. | 03:40 |
| wasabi | Any reason these don't run on any block device? | 03:40 |
| cjwatson | BenC: individually, yes, but there are a lot of them | 03:40 |
| === ajmitch hopes he's safe rebooting with evms installed still | ||
| BenC | cjwatson: would be nice if the "all" builds were load balanced :) | 03:41 |
| cjwatson | the buildds are doing a couple a minute | 03:41 |
| cjwatson | unfortunately historically arch-all binaries haven't necessarily actually *built* on all architectures | 03:41 |
| BenC | but they all build on i386, right? | 03:41 |
| cjwatson | yes | 03:41 |
| cjwatson | because that's historically been the safe working assumption | 03:41 |
| BenC | can you guys configure it to build on something else, for testing? | 03:42 |
| kylem | can we get some kind of regexp for linux-source-* to only build on the fast one? | 03:42 |
| cjwatson | probably, it would be nice to know what failed | 03:42 |
| kylem | :P | 03:42 |
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| cjwatson | apparently tollef normally does it by temporarily turning off the other buildds and then massively scoring up linux-source-* .. | 03:42 |
| cjwatson | hadn't realised it was quite that crude :) | 03:43 |
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| kylem | haha. | 03:43 |
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| ajmitch | alright, -15.25 working here with / on lvm on md on a sata_nv chipset | 03:47 |
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| cjwatson | nice | 03:48 |
| kylem | thank fuck. :) | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | I reckon :) | 03:48 |
| mjg59 | Once again, the glorious kernel team drag victory from the jaws of defeat | 03:49 |
| cjwatson | in Soviet Russia, the kernel boots YOU | 03:49 |
| cjwatson | into binary-udebs | 03:55 |
| kylem | like a boot stamping on your face, forever. | 03:55 |
| BenC | ajmitch: thanks | 03:56 |
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| poningru | ok submitting that to bash.org right now | 03:58 |
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| cjwatson | publishing i386 kernel | 04:09 |
| kylem | \o/ | 04:10 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: how much longer till you can get some sleep yourself? | 04:13 |
| _lemsx1_ | Failed to fetch MIRROR_HERE linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb 403 Forbidden | 04:14 |
| cjwatson | dunno yet, need to publish d-i and make sure that starts building and ideally start some livefs builds | 04:14 |
| cjwatson | _lemsx1_: intentional | 04:14 |
| _lemsx1_ | any reason for this? i guess this is known | 04:14 |
| _lemsx1_ | cjwatson: ok. figures | 04:14 |
| cjwatson | _lemsx1_: -15.25 kernel is publishing right now; use that when it's available | 04:15 |
| cjwatson | should be about half an hour | 04:15 |
| cjwatson | -14.23 broke booting for too many people | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | far easier to deal with complaints about a forbidden file than unbootable systems | 04:15 |
| _lemsx1_ | cjwatson: ok. sounds good. perhaps that should be in the subject of this room ;-) | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | it's in the topic in #ubuntu+1 | 04:15 |
| cjwatson | _lemsx1_: this isn't a help channel so I don't feel the need | 04:15 |
| _lemsx1_ | cjwatson: ok. i understand | 04:16 |
| cjwatson | besides, it'll be irrelevant soon | 04:16 |
| cjwatson | next publisher run after this, I'll remove the -14 kernels | 04:16 |
| _lemsx1_ | ajmitch: i didn't know there was #ubuntu+1 ... weird | 04:16 |
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| ajmitch | it's been around for a few releases | 04:17 |
| _lemsx1_ | ajmitch: i see... make sense. i never really venture into beta releases ;-) but Feisty is too tempting | 04:18 |
| BenC | cjwatson: it's like what, 3am there? | 04:21 |
| BenC | cjwatson: you should get some rest dude | 04:21 |
| _lemsx1_ | BenC: rest or grab another beer and keep coding... ;-) | 04:22 |
| BenC | if he was coding, it'd be different...he's just babysitting automated systems :) | 04:23 |
| _lemsx1_ | BenC: ahhh... those things take care of themselves ;-) then yeah, he should get some rest | 04:23 |
| _lemsx1_ | cjwatson: give me root and i'll watch them for you. go to sleep | 04:24 |
| _lemsx1_ | jeje! | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | it's not entirely automated unfortunately - it's the CD builds I need to kick off at the appropriate time | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | and I don't have enough info yet to predict a time for it | 04:24 |
| _lemsx1_ | cjwatson: ouch | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | I'm basically dozing in the chair between events | 04:25 |
| cjwatson | and keeping an eye out for regression reports | 04:25 |
| _lemsx1_ | cjwatson: i know exactly what you mean.... no more java there? grab a coke | 04:25 |
| cjwatson | I have plenty of coffee, but I don't need to be alert at the moment, so I'd rather be able to sleep easily later | 04:26 |
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| cjwatson | one of these days, launchpad will be able to manage the whole process start to end for us | 04:27 |
| cjwatson | but in the meantime there's enough stuff hooked up by spit and polish that it needs a bit more looking after if you want optimal output times | 04:28 |
| _lemsx1_ | cjwatson: launchpad is looking better by the minute. that's a very good collaboration site | 04:28 |
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| Solarion | so, I"m trying to squish a bug with the backlight not turning off when dpms is active. | 04:40 |
| Solarion | Does HAL call /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank on blanking | 04:40 |
| mjg59 | Many X drivers don't know how to do dpms properly | 04:40 |
| Solarion | ? | 04:40 |
| mjg59 | No | 04:40 |
| Solarion | This used to work, I'm pretty sure. | 04:40 |
| mjg59 | Hal doesn't trigger screen blanking | 04:40 |
| Solarion | it's the free radeon. | 04:40 |
| Solarion | hey mjg59. :) | 04:41 |
| mjg59 | Hm. Ought to work, but entirely possible that something's broken | 04:41 |
| Solarion | what could I use to ascertain brokenness? | 04:41 |
| Solarion | Pretty sure this is new with feisty. | 04:41 |
| Solarion | I'm willing to fix it, but I like to save power (and screen life) :) | 04:42 |
| mjg59 | How are you triggering dpms? | 04:42 |
| _lemsx1_ | pardon my interruption, but could DPMS (bugs) crash a system? I always try to turn that off in my PC. when it's on, the PC crashes at random times (when idle for a long time) and I'm not sure if it's DPMS or something else (power, heat, who knows) | 04:42 |
| Solarion | xscreensaver and xset dpms force off | 04:42 |
| mjg59 | And they result in a black screen but the backlight still on? | 04:42 |
| Solarion | yes | 04:42 |
| mjg59 | Almost certainly a radeon bug then, I'm afraid | 04:43 |
| Solarion | I'll file it | 04:43 |
| cjwatson | -15.25/i386 up and on all archive.ubuntu.com mirrors | 04:43 |
| Solarion | mjg59: what could I do to help track it down? | 04:43 |
| Solarion | mjg59: would it make a difference if driver is ati or radeon? | 04:44 |
| mjg59 | No, ati just loads radeon | 04:44 |
| _lemsx1_ | cjwatson: that's good news | 04:44 |
| Solarion | is what I thought, but I wanted to check (there's some weird stuff floating around on the intarwebs around that) | 04:44 |
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| mjg59 | I'm afraid I haven't done a great deal of work on radeon | 04:44 |
| mjg59 | The PM calls in the driver should be easy enough to find | 04:44 |
| mjg59 | Then it's a matter of figuring out what's different between them and feisty | 04:45 |
| mjg59 | Edgy, rather | 04:45 |
| Solarion | hmm | 04:47 |
| Solarion | so it's not a known problem | 04:47 |
| mjg59 | Not that I know of, though it's possible it is | 04:47 |
| mjg59 | I have no ATI machines here, sadly | 04:47 |
| jdong | mjg59: honestly how is that sad? ;-) | 04:48 |
| _ion | s/sadly/fortunately/ | 04:48 |
| Solarion | old ati cards are pretty nice. | 04:48 |
| jdong | wow ATI jokes come fast :) | 04:48 |
| jdong | Solarion: ah, that may be :) but you sure don't see many of those anymore :D | 04:48 |
| Solarion | I would either buy a sufficiently old ATI or new Intel | 04:48 |
| kylem | mjg59, except your MBP ;P | 04:48 |
| mjg59 | kylem: Ha. Yeah, but not useful in this case | 04:48 |
| _ion | As soon as they release the source code to fglrx with a free license, i'm not going to do ATI jokes anymore. ;-) | 04:49 |
| mjg59 | Turns out that writing drivers from scratch tells you little about bugs in the old one | 04:49 |
| kylem | mjg59, YET | 04:49 |
| jdong | _ion: my LUNGS hurt from laughing | 04:49 |
| mjg59 | kylem: Dude, I'm running it. It's useful in that respect. | 04:49 |
| kylem | mjg59, hehe. | 04:49 |
| jdong | _ion: and my heart hurts too because I have a x1400... | 04:49 |
| mjg59 | Need to figure out why the latest changes break LVDS, and then I think we're heading towards being ready for an initial release | 04:49 |
| kylem | mjg59, i need to go buy some hw and work on that. | 04:49 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, schedule should be a bit more empty for the next few weeks, I guess | 04:50 |
| _lemsx1_ | oh, i see, jokes about ATI are not offtopic... i guess we all just hate the stupid driver situation with them... ;-) | 04:51 |
| mjg59 | _lemsx1_: The driver situation is being worked on | 04:52 |
| mjg59 | We'll have something for gutsy | 04:52 |
| _lemsx1_ | mjg59: you are very optimistic | 04:52 |
| mjg59 | _lemsx1_: I'm running an open driver on my r500 | 04:52 |
| Solarion | mjg59: are you an xorg hacker? | 04:52 |
| mjg59 | Solarion: I do a small amount of xorg work | 04:53 |
| Solarion | bug #106414, if anyone cares | 04:53 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106414 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[Feisty] DPMS no longer switches off backlight on radeon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106414 | 04:53 |
| jdong | mjg59: ooh very sweet | 04:53 |
| mjg59 | Right now it runs on a tiny subset of machines | 04:53 |
| mjg59 | And on everything else it probably melts your TFT | 04:53 |
| mjg59 | But there should be something useful soon | 04:53 |
| mjg59 | So, yeah, there's reason to be optimistic :) | 04:54 |
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| jdong | cool, I'm glad to hear that | 04:54 |
| _lemsx1_ | mjg59: most people with ATI want 2 things "games" and "aiglx/xgl"... open drivers usually give you some of those 2 things. closed source one gives you 1 at best (hint: not x effects for desktop use) | 04:55 |
| kylem | some of us just want a dumb fb. | 04:55 |
| jdong | _lemsx1_: heh I've been running fglrx with Xgl for a year now.... | 04:55 |
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| mjg59 | xcompmgr makes a dumb fb surprisingly usable | 04:55 |
| jdong | and it's been compizzing and beryling just fine | 04:55 |
| Solarion | some of us want all of that and C3 states. :( | 04:55 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: went back to the old driver didn't you? | 04:55 |
| jdong | old driver? | 04:55 |
| jdong | I'm using Feisty fglrx.... | 04:55 |
| jdong | with feisty Xgl | 04:56 |
| jdong | Compiz works as-is in Xgl; Beryl requires the lupine repo 0.2.0 | 04:56 |
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| _lemsx1_ | jdong: i wonder how you accomplished that feast | 04:56 |
| jdong | _lemsx1_: on my card it didn't take any effort at all... but YMMV | 04:56 |
| jdong | I find the world of fglrx to be really inconsistent from model to model | 04:57 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: what card is that? | 04:57 |
| jdong | x1400 mobility | 04:57 |
| jdong | I also walked an X800 (X700 maybe?) user through the same steps and it works fine for him too | 04:57 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: ah, i see... very recent stuff | 04:57 |
| jdong | basically the beryl wiki procedure... | 04:57 |
| jdong | yeah recent stuff | 04:57 |
| kylem | eh? x800/700 is r300? | 04:57 |
| jdong | I think that's highly relevant to the success rate | 04:57 |
| kylem | why would you need to use fglrx... | 04:58 |
| mjg59 | Well, r400 | 04:58 |
| mjg59 | But close enough | 04:58 |
| jdong | kylem: IIRC he said it was glitchy with OSS drivers? | 04:58 |
| kylem | mjg59, right | 04:58 |
| jdong | wasn't my card :-/ | 04:58 |
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| _lemsx1_ | jdong: on every new release of drivers there is always a post on rage3d.com forums about missing xgl/aiglx ... nobody ever says it works for them | 04:59 |
| jdong | heh | 04:59 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: i'm so fed up with it, that i don't care anymore ... 2D is fine for most things. 3D for what matters (some games) | 05:00 |
| jdong | well Xgl is not exactly cake to set up for most people | 05:00 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: but you bet that i'm never buying an ATI (or recommending it) | 05:00 |
| jdong | yeah on the forums I've definitely seeen people put up a fight with fglrx | 05:00 |
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| jdong | _lemsx1_: likewise.... I only settled for the card because this laptop model comes with a bunch of other perks.... | 05:00 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: i thought that AMD buying the company was going to actually improve the customer relationship... but i guess "costumer" really means "vendors" and "oem" for them... screw it | 05:01 |
| jdong | _lemsx1_: it looks downhill to me | 05:01 |
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| jdong | _lemsx1_: AMD is planning to use its GPU integration to lock the framebuffer for DRM purposes | 05:02 |
| jdong | _lemsx1_: it looks like ATI is contagious | 05:02 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: looks to me that AMD is in the path of becoming synonymous with ATI and DRM, both acronyms with bad connotations ... oh well | 05:02 |
| Solarion | where do src debs go? | 05:03 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: for me is Intel all the way from now on | 05:03 |
| Solarion | _lemsx1_: me too | 05:03 |
| jdong | _lemsx1_: +1 | 05:03 |
| Solarion | or a very old ati | 05:03 |
| cjwatson | Solarion: I suspect you don't mean source debs. you mean source packages? | 05:03 |
| jdong | LOL | 05:03 |
| Solarion | cjwatson: yes | 05:03 |
| cjwatson | Solarion: in the regular archive right next to the binary packages | 05:03 |
| cjwatson | apt-get source <sourcepackagename> | 05:04 |
| Solarion | cjwatson: "regular archive" is what/where? | 05:04 |
| Solarion | yes, that's how I installed it | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | do you mean where do they go on your system? | 05:04 |
| Solarion | yes | 05:04 |
| _lemsx1_ | Solarion: do you have a deb-src line in your sources.list file ? | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | 'apt-get source' puts them in the current directory | 05:04 |
| Solarion | yes | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | so wherever you ran that | 05:04 |
| Solarion | ah, there they are | 05:05 |
| _lemsx1_ | Solarion: man apt-get ;-) | 05:05 |
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| Solarion | any radeon driver hackers aroudn? | 05:07 |
| _lemsx1_ | Solarion: did you just use the H word? | 05:08 |
| _lemsx1_ | Solarion: just kidding ;-) | 05:08 |
| _ion | I didn't get it. | 05:09 |
| _lemsx1_ | _ion: "hacker" has such a bad meaning for some people. programmer is much nicer: any radeon driver programmers around... | 05:10 |
| jdong | oh come on.... you gotta try harder to make _ion melt into a puddle | 05:10 |
| jdong | _ion: fglrx | 05:11 |
| jdong | _ion: automatix easyubuntu libdvdcss2 java opera flash shockwave ...... | 05:11 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: jeje! | 05:11 |
| jdong | :) | 05:11 |
| _ion | From that lise, libdvdcss is a good thing, and it sucks that software patents prevent it from being distributed freely. :-) | 05:11 |
| _ion | list | 05:11 |
| _ion | CSS itself sucks, of course. | 05:11 |
| jdong | _ion: but Automatix Installs It (tm) | 05:12 |
| jdong | out of the box! | 05:12 |
| jdong | swiftfox! | 05:12 |
| _lemsx1_ | anybody knows of a screensaver that's actually useful? something that connects to an RSS feed and displays the text in a Slide-Show way that's fun to read and "flashy" ? | 05:12 |
| jdong | _lemsx1_: I've put up fortune -o as a screensaver before | 05:12 |
| jdong | that... actually didn't end well..... | 05:12 |
| jdong | who knew those jokes would offend? | 05:12 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: ROFL | 05:12 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: if you install the wrong fortune cookies they will... i love those offensive thingies.. they are fun | 05:13 |
| _ion | If i say "from now on, 'hacker' means a terrorist", would you stop (and encourage others to stop) using the word because me and perhaps some other people have a stupid idea about the word's meaning? :-) | 05:13 |
| _lemsx1_ | _ion: if you convince the society that surrounds me, i will... but that's assuming that "terrorist" is "bad" for me ;-) | 05:14 |
| _lemsx1_ | _ion: what if i grew up in a society where what we know as "terrorist" are consider "martyrs" ? | 05:14 |
| jdong | then there are other issues to deal with than the connotation of 'hacker' :) | 05:14 |
| _ion | :-) | 05:14 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: couldn't agree more | 05:15 |
| _lemsx1_ | jdong: jeje!... like "lack of food for proper nutrition" for instance... boy i'm getting hungry... jeje! | 05:15 |
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| cjwatson | langpacks and hotkey-setup done, publishing; d-i building | 05:17 |
| cjwatson | forgot to remove -14 kernels, looking at that now | 05:19 |
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| _lemsx1_ | jdong: i got the idea of a good screensaver from the slide show on the Nintendo Wii... but that's offtopic anyway ... i'll keep looking (or venture into writing one) | 05:21 |
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| guiment | is it true that feisty will include compiz in the main ubuntu repository (that is, not universe or multiverse)? | 05:39 |
| jdong | it's already there and instaled by default | 05:40 |
| guiment | jdong: but not enabled by default, right? | 05:40 |
| jdong | correct | 05:40 |
| jdong | it can be enabled thru System->Prefs->Desktop Effects | 05:40 |
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| guiment | jdong: and beryl will stay universe? | 05:46 |
| jdong | yes | 05:46 |
| guiment | jdong: thank you | 05:47 |
| jdong | no problem :) | 05:47 |
| guiment | jdong: probably more beryl plugins should be added, though | 05:47 |
| guiment | useable in compiz | 05:47 |
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| jdong | well what you see at this stage is what will ship | 05:48 |
| jdong | compiz by default will be pretty conservative | 05:48 |
| guiment | right.. | 05:48 |
| jdong | additional compiz plugins are in universe, compiz-extra | 05:48 |
| jdong | beryl and beryl-plugins-unsupported are both in universe too | 05:48 |
| guiment | jdong: of course it will be, it has to, we don't want to discourage newbyes because of some eye candy | 05:49 |
| jdong | :) | 05:49 |
| guiment | jdong: i mean i strongly agree | 05:49 |
| guiment | :) | 05:49 |
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| guiment | jdong: one last question: as you know, the initial plans were to abandon the inclusion of compiz and some drivers by default: how did this change? or when? | 05:56 |
| jdong | guiment: To the best of my knowledge Compiz went in by default because of Mark/TB influences.... | 05:57 |
| jdong | guiment: proprietary drivers can be easily installed via the Restricted Manager | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | they're not installed by default, but it's easy to turn them on (desktop effect, restricted drivers manager) | 05:57 |
| jdong | and for nvidia and nvidia-new, they will be set up to work with 3D effects | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | or compiz may be installed by default, but not enabled | 05:57 |
| jdong | ajmitch: installed by default; not activated | 05:57 |
| guiment | jdong, ajmitch: i know how much mark wanted that, i was just curious when this changed | 05:57 |
| jdong | it was.... like a month ago? | 05:58 |
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| guiment | jdong: aha, i thought so | 05:58 |
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| guiment | jdong, ajmitch: any official announcement? i would like to read that | 05:59 |
| jdong | don't recall any official announcement... | 06:00 |
| guiment | jdong: oh, ok | 06:00 |
| guiment | jdong: thanks again :) | 06:00 |
| guiment | ajmitch: thanks too | 06:01 |
| jdong | anytime | 06:01 |
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| jdong | infinity2: aww infinity+1 would sound so much cooler :) | 06:01 |
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| cjwatson | livefses building, braindump of state sent to Mithrandir, and bedtime at last | 06:02 |
| jdong | night cjwatson | 06:02 |
| jdong | don't work too hard :) | 06:02 |
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| _ion | Yay, dovecot 1.0.0 | 06:22 |
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| YokoZar | So, I just became an ubuntu member | 06:57 |
| YokoZar | will I automatically have my launchpadnick@ubuntu.com as an email address? I'd like to use it for the package maintainer field. | 06:57 |
| ajmitch | yep | 06:58 |
| ajmitch | not sure exactly how automatic it is, but it should work, and forward to your preferred address in launchpad | 06:58 |
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| YokoZar | ajmitch: hooray it works perfectly | 07:13 |
| ajmitch | great | 07:13 |
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| sladen | hd*->sd* migrations issues in bug #93655 should that be raised in importance | 09:31 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 93655 in udev "hda -> sda transition not handled during upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93655 | 09:31 |
| Mithrandir | should probably just be releasenoted. | 09:33 |
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| sladen | cjwatson: thanks for uploading the hotkey-setup typo fix | 09:55 |
| Treenaks | sladen: Unique UUID Identifier? sounds like Personal Pin Number :) | 10:03 |
| sladen | uniquely universally unique personal identifier identifier number | 10:04 |
| Treenaks | sladen: (tm) | 10:04 |
| sladen | Treenaks: I think there's some money to be made it in | 10:06 |
| Treenaks | sladen: especially if you can sell it to governments | 10:06 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: ubiquity install release notes button leads to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/feistybeta ; that is certainly going to change? | 11:20 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: ^ do you know about this as well? | 11:20 |
| pitti | cjwatson: FYI, "Install" icon is translated now on live CD, due to new langpacks | 11:21 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: ugh, no, nobody has filed a targeted bug with critical importance about it. | 11:23 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: ok, will file one once Im back on my normal system with real kezboard layout | 11:23 |
| pitti | argh | 11:23 |
| Mithrandir | kezboard ftw. | 11:24 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 11:24 |
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| pitti | hi mvo | 11:27 |
| mvo | alter! | 11:28 |
| mvo | hey pitti | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | hi mvo, pitti | 11:28 |
| Nafallo | hi mvo, pitti, ajmitch | 11:29 |
| mvo | hey ajmitch, Nafallo | 11:30 |
| heno | pitti: I expect cjwatson won't be around for a few hours; he was up all night feeding the hamsters | 11:30 |
| Mithrandir | heno: new day, new candidates. Care to update the testing grid? | 11:31 |
| heno | we should all give him a hug when he returns :) | 11:31 |
| heno | Mithrandir: yep, will you pm me md5sums? | 11:31 |
| Mithrandir | sure | 11:31 |
| Mithrandir | see msg | 11:33 |
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| heno | Mithrandir: done. I didn't see ubuntu-server amongst those. still building that? | 11:41 |
| fabbione | heno: could you please wipe results for netboot too? thanks | 11:44 |
| fabbione | (and upgrade) | 11:44 |
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| heno | fabbione: yeah, I wasn't sure about that. will do | 11:46 |
| fabbione | heno: cheers mate | 11:51 |
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| heno | *** 20070414 CD and DVD images are ready. Check md5sums and post test results here: https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ *** | 11:56 |
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| bdgraue | i updated to 2.6.20-14 and now to 2.6.20-15 and have still this problem http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/9217/ | 12:11 |
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| afflux | I installed the kernelupdated to 2.6.20-14.23 yesterday, which broke my system (something with ata)... but I removed the older kernels that were still installed for cleaning up. | 12:15 |
| afflux | now i'm in a livecd, chrooted into feisty and updated to -15.25 --- and I still have the same ata error (revalidation failed, n_sectors mismatch) | 12:15 |
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| heno | mvo: welcome! | 12:23 |
| heno | ready for some fresh upgrade testing? :) | 12:23 |
| bdgraue | i someone need more specific to help, please ask.. | 12:23 |
| mvo | heno: maybe, but I will have to stop when my wife comes back and catches me in front of the computer at a weekend ;) | 12:24 |
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| heno | heh | 12:24 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: the release notes thing pitti mentioned is fine, it goes through a redirect | 12:27 |
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| heno | cjwatson: great job on the all-night CD building! hope you slept well | 12:30 |
| cjwatson | like a baby | 12:31 |
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| cjwatson | wow, people are still reporting bugs from Herd 1 | 12:34 |
| cjwatson | (bug 106346) | 12:34 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106346 in ubiquity "Installer crashed in a Compaq Evo 510 Celeron (dup-of: 61912)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106346 | 12:34 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 61912 in ubiquity "assert cache._depcache.BrokenCount == 0" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61912 | 12:34 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 12:34 |
| cjwatson | (61912 is closed actually, it just has a high/confirmed edgy task in case I ever get round to a point release) | 12:34 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I've committed a seed change to trim off 67MB or so of kdepim stuff from the Edubuntu DVD, which should bring it back within size limits | 12:42 |
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| cjwatson | that's the last of the CD-health-check-reported problems | 12:43 |
| Enola_Gay | hi all | 12:43 |
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| Enola_Gay | Is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/99498 planned to be fixed until Feisty release? | 12:58 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 99498 in hal "Nautilus and hal can't umount usb hd disk" [High,Confirmed] | 12:58 |
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| fabbione | heno: ping? | 01:12 |
| heno | fabbione: hi | 01:13 |
| fabbione | heno: hey dude.. i finished all the sparc test installs.. i only need to re-test upgrade with the new kernel even if i doubt it will fail. | 01:13 |
| fabbione | heno: i will try to do it either this evening or tomorrow, otherwise it's thumb up here | 01:13 |
| heno | fabbione: ROCK! | 01:13 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: ^^ for you too | 01:14 |
| fabbione | (thumbs up of course includes reading the Release Notes.. otherwise there are known bugs) | 01:14 |
| pitti | cjwatson, Mithrandir: here's the promised bug: bug 106517 | 01:15 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106517 in ubiquity "Release notes button points to beta page" [Critical,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106517 | 01:15 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: 11:27 <cjwatson> Mithrandir: the release notes thing pitti mentioned is fine, it goes through a redirect | 01:16 |
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| pitti | hey cjwatson! big hug for the night shift! | 01:16 |
| poningru | indeed | 01:16 |
| pitti | cjwatson: oh, sorry, I didn't see this, was offline for testing | 01:17 |
| pitti | cjwatson: so I close this again, sorry for the panic | 01:17 |
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| poningru | address for case of beer shipment? | 01:17 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: (done already) | 01:17 |
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| ajmitch | hey daniel | 01:19 |
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| desrt | mjg59; well... there you have it. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Newly_leaked_Antitrust_Memo_Bill_Gates_on_Making_ACPI_Not_Work_with_Linux | 01:25 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: coolie, thanks. | 01:33 |
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| dthacker | link to daily builds? | 01:55 |
| asac_the_2nd | dthacker: iso? | 01:55 |
| dthacker | yes, please | 01:56 |
| Nafallo | cdimage.ubuntu.com | 01:56 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 01:56 |
| dthacker | tnx | 01:56 |
| Nafallo | np | 01:56 |
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| Nafallo | iwj: I still get that error with disks already added on one array with up-to-date feisty. maybe it's because the array is degraded? | 03:36 |
| fabbione | Nafallo: was the raid downgraded before rebooting? | 03:36 |
| fabbione | or degraded | 03:36 |
| Nafallo | fabbione: yes | 03:37 |
| Nafallo | fabbione: planning on fixing that soon though. I took the server down to add another harddrive :-). | 03:38 |
| fabbione | Nafallo: ok.. then boot normally, put the raid back to full state and reboot | 03:38 |
| Nafallo | moving data around now | 03:38 |
| fabbione | ok | 03:38 |
| fabbione | i think it's normal you see error when a raid is degrade | 03:38 |
| fabbione | +d | 03:38 |
| Nafallo | yea. but the system should still boot. | 03:38 |
| fabbione | i would test it here but it takes over 10 hours to resync afterwards | 03:38 |
| fabbione | there is an ENVVAR to make it booting | 03:39 |
| Nafallo | I think we should work on it in gutsy rather than feisty though | 03:39 |
| fabbione | the problem is very simple | 03:39 |
| Nafallo | if the fix is easy enough we can put it in -updates anyway. | 03:39 |
| fabbione | there is no way to tell when all devices for a certain raid set will appear | 03:40 |
| fabbione | so the only thing we can do is to make sure all of them are there before starting the raid | 03:40 |
| Nafallo | yea. that sounds like what I was about to write :-) | 03:40 |
| fabbione | to be on the safe side you can set an envvar to override that | 03:40 |
| fabbione | there is no other way to fix it | 03:40 |
| Nafallo | hmm, oki. | 03:40 |
| fabbione | check mdadm changelog to see how to do it | 03:41 |
| fabbione | i don't recall it right now | 03:41 |
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| Nafallo | I'll make the array happy instead :-) | 03:42 |
| Nafallo | still running pvmove from the disk I will add to the new disk. have been running for hours now and is at 23.9% ;-) | 03:42 |
| fabbione | pvmove is slow | 03:43 |
| Nafallo | sure is :-) | 03:43 |
| fabbione | sometimes it's faster to backup/reformat/restore | 03:43 |
| Nafallo | but it's wonderful weather, and it can work without me sitting and watch it :-) | 03:43 |
| fabbione | assuming you have enough space to do that | 03:43 |
| fabbione | ehhee | 03:43 |
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| Nafallo | do we know if feisty will be delayed yet? | 03:48 |
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| fabbione | Nafallo: nope.. RC clearly is.. release is unknown | 03:50 |
| Nafallo | thought so. | 03:50 |
| Nafallo | but I didn't know if RC and final had to have that week... ;-) | 03:50 |
| Nafallo | in that case it would have been known :-) | 03:50 |
| fabbione | well it's best if there sometime in the middle just collect pieces around | 03:51 |
| Nafallo | agreed. and atleast I think it should be a week ;-) | 03:52 |
| imbrandon | moins Nafallo / fabbione | 03:52 |
| Nafallo | morning imbrandon :-) | 03:52 |
| fabbione | hi imbrandon | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | hi imbrandon | 03:52 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | good timing, I'm just off to sleep now :) | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | snow everywhere out side, it supose to be SPRING !?! /me hushes | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | heh | 03:53 |
| fabbione | it's deadly warm here | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | sleep well ajmitch | 03:53 |
| fabbione | night ajmitch | 03:53 |
| ajmitch | night | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | fabbione, it was 80 F a few days ago, now snow, next week they are calling for 80 F again | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | crazy | 03:54 |
| fabbione | 80 F.. how much is that in C = | 03:54 |
| fabbione | ? | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | ummm /me looks | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | 80 degrees Fahrenheit = 26.6666667 degrees Celsius | 03:54 |
| fabbione | i would be dead at that temp... | 03:54 |
| fabbione | anything > 10C is deadly for me :) | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | thats normal summer temp here :) | 03:55 |
| Nafallo | 20+ C here :-) | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | the DataCenter is always nice and cool here though | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | makes hot days nice | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | hehe | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | our data center wasn't so cool last week :/ | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | secondary aircon failure, got a widdle bit warm | 03:56 |
| Lathiat | not dangerously warm but warmer than i would have liked :P | 03:57 |
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| imbrandon | if ours goes above 72F ( 22C ) alarms start calling everyone in the company, normaly we stay arround 50F on the DC floor, plenty of CRAC's to keep it cool | 03:58 |
| fabbione | hey Lathiat | 03:58 |
| fabbione | Lathiat: finally i see you around | 03:58 |
| Lathiat | fabbione: hehe, what can i do for you :) | 03:58 |
| fabbione | Lathiat: nothing really.. i just had to talk to you | 03:58 |
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| Lathiat | Anyone here using cacti on dapper that wants to test some security updates? | 04:24 |
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| Fjodor | Hi fabbione. IIRC, you are situated in Copenhagen. Any chance that you might come to Aarhus at any point in time? | 05:01 |
| fabbione | Fjodor: i actually might next weekend | 05:01 |
| fabbione | why? | 05:01 |
| Fjodor | Just saw your nick and recalled that I offered you a beer for doing the locale work back when dapper was in beta :-) | 05:02 |
| Fjodor | I think | 05:02 |
| fabbione | oh | 05:02 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 05:02 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 05:02 |
| fabbione | i will know more during the week.. it depends a lot on how release goes | 05:02 |
| Fjodor | Yearh. it's scheduled for the 19th, isn't it? | 05:02 |
| fabbione | basically i need to go to Vejle for one of this confirmation parties on sunday and planned to visit friends in rhus from friday | 05:03 |
| fabbione | but if we are delayed i might jump on the train on sunday morning and be back sunday evening | 05:03 |
| Fjodor | Ah. My gf goes to Crete Saturday morning, so I'm basically free from then, so do let me know if you are coming to town | 05:04 |
| fabbione | Fjodor: sure.. how can i contact you in case? | 05:04 |
| Nafallo | Fjodor: gf doesn't like beer? or to young? ;-) | 05:04 |
| Fjodor | sune@molgaard.org | 05:04 |
| fabbione | Nafallo: there is no such thing as too young in DK | 05:05 |
| Fjodor | Nafallo: More likely too old. She has prematurely grown over beer... | 05:05 |
| Nafallo | fabbione: kewl! :-) | 05:05 |
| Nafallo | Fjodor: :-) | 05:05 |
| Fjodor | fabbione: Or mobile: +45 20 16 32 95 | 05:07 |
| fabbione | Fjodor: writing down thank | 05:07 |
| Fjodor | fabbione: And finally_ ICQ is 20952483, MSN Messenger is msn@molgaard.org and jabber is fjodor@jabber.dk | 05:11 |
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| fabbione | it's enough your phone num | 05:11 |
| fabbione | i won't have inet from where i will be | 05:11 |
| fabbione | neither my laptop | 05:11 |
| Fjodor | Fair enough | 05:11 |
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| Fjodor | Oh, if you call instead of texting, do identify yourself as Fabbione from #ubuntu-devel. I have a lousy short-time memory, so I might get confused :-) | 05:13 |
| fabbione | Fjodor: sure.. ok :) | 05:14 |
| Fjodor | :-) | 05:14 |
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| fabbione | bbl | 05:15 |
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| saelynh_X-chat | hi there | 07:27 |
| saelynh_X-chat | I just want to know if festy will be out next thurday or if will need to be a little be more pacient ? | 07:28 |
| Mithrandir | saelynh_X-chat: any deviations to the schedule will be announced when they're made. | 07:29 |
| Mithrandir | or rather, when they're decided. | 07:29 |
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| saelynh_X-chat | oki :) | 07:33 |
| saelynh_X-chat | thanks Mithrandir | 07:34 |
| Mithrandir | np | 07:34 |
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| poningru | linux-server: Depends: linux-image-server (= 2.6.20.14.12) but 2.6.20.15.14 is to be installed | 08:33 |
| poningru | is that intentional? | 08:33 |
| === ScottK thinks it means your local mirror is not fully updated. | ||
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| vandenoever | on edgy, the following command reports an error: | 08:40 |
| vandenoever | echo hi |valgrind iconv -f ISO-8859-15 | 08:40 |
| vandenoever | but this is ok: | 08:40 |
| vandenoever | echo hi |valgrind iconv -f ISO-8859-1 | 08:40 |
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| Seveas | !bugs | vandenoever | 09:03 |
| ubotu | vandenoever: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ IRC is not a good medium to report bugs and this channel is for development coordination. | 09:03 |
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| vandenoever | Seveas: but can you confirm it? | 09:04 |
| Seveas | vandenoever, I'm no longer running edgy, so I cannot confirm | 09:05 |
| vandenoever | Seveas: is the problem still there on feisty? | 09:05 |
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| Seveas | ==24311== ERROR SUMMARY: 6 errors from 5 contexts (suppressed: 13 from 1) | 09:07 |
| vandenoever | Seveas: thanks | 09:08 |
| vandenoever | i'll note that in the report too | 09:08 |
| Seveas | vandenoever, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15639/ | 09:09 |
| vandenoever | Seveas: it's identical to mine | 09:10 |
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| BenC | CALL FOR TESTING: We have a new kernel that is supposed to fix regressions in 2.6.20-15.25 | 09:37 |
| BenC | if you could test http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/ | 09:37 |
| BenC | I'd appreciate knowing if it still works as opposed to -15.25 | 09:38 |
| BenC | also, if -15.25 doesn't work for you because of sata_nv or HPA issues, please let me know if it does work for you | 09:38 |
| BenC | please report success/failure to #ubuntu-kernel, and make sure to note whether -15.25 worked for you prior to this | 09:38 |
| pitti | famous last words of petunia bowl: Oh no, not again! | 09:38 |
| BenC | pitti: you have a magical lba28 HPA drive, can you test please? :) | 09:39 |
| pitti | BenC: sure, will do | 09:40 |
| BenC | pitti: thanks | 09:40 |
| pitti | BenC: in about 30 minutes or so, my postgresql testsuite is running ATM | 09:40 |
| BenC | pitti: No problem, it'll be that long before I can get the upload ready and feel comfortable about uploading it | 09:41 |
| pitti | BenC: darn, I just completed my very last test case of the 20070414 CDs :) | 09:42 |
| kylem | BenC, i don't suppose you want to pull in the intel crestline patch + the gatt patch from mainline ubuntu-feisty? ;-P | 09:42 |
| kylem | otherwise i'll fix it in -security post-release | 09:42 |
| kylem | doesn't really matter, since it needs userspace bits tho. | 09:42 |
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| Mithrandir | if it doesn't matter, I think it should go in post-release. | 09:43 |
| BenC | kylem: I would love to, but I think mdz/cjwatson/Mithrandir will shoot me | 09:43 |
| kylem | k. | 09:43 |
| kylem | can't blame a guy for trying. ;-) | 09:43 |
| kylem | bbiab. playoffs. | 09:43 |
| BenC | collectively I think they have a decent chance of getting one bullet on me, even from the EU :) | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: I would never be so kind as to shoot a coworker if I was angry with them. I'm much more cruel than that. | 09:43 |
| BenC | lol | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | oh, and .no isn't part of the EU. It just feels that way. | 09:43 |
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| BenC | .no would do the EU some justice...very nice country | 09:44 |
| pitti | too bad that we saw so little of it during the sprint | 09:44 |
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| BenC | we did get to see an underground bowling alley, what more do you want? :) | 09:46 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: if we ever end up having a smaller sprint here we can have it in our cabin up in the mountains. | 09:47 |
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| kylem | Mithrandir, that would be awesome | 09:57 |
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| Kmos | bug 106622 | 10:15 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106622 in linux-source-2.6.20 "linux-image-2.6.20-15 fails to properly detect and configure EMS USB-II" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106622 | 10:15 |
| Kmos | it gives a patch =) | 10:17 |
| BenC | mdz, Mithrandir, cjwatson_: I feel comfortable with the current patch fixing things | 10:19 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: is there anything it doesn't cover? | 10:20 |
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| BenC | I'm going to upload with this patch people.u.c/~bcollins/libata.diff | 10:20 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: it covers everyone that reported problems related to sata_nv and HPA, so far | 10:20 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: and do we have a solution to the problem of module parameters not being propagated? | 10:20 |
| BenC | trejack has a different issue, that seems unrelated to anything we are doing right now, and which I cannot reproduce | 10:21 |
| pitti | BenC: alright, back from dinner and testsuite finished; you still need me to test that kernel? | 10:21 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: kyle is working on something for initramfs-tools and modprobe | 10:21 |
| BenC | pitti: yes, please | 10:21 |
| pitti | alrighty | 10:21 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: I'll hold off on an upload for about an hour, just to make sure testing goes well | 10:22 |
| BenC | but so far so good | 10:22 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: please just upload it, we can easily reject it if it's broken. | 10:22 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: ok | 10:23 |
| BenC | Now, as much as I like spending my b-day with you guys, my wife has a party going on here for me :) | 10:23 |
| pitti | BenC: ooh, happy birthday! | 10:24 |
| pitti | BenC: funny that we two have bday on the same day | 10:24 |
| pitti | probably not in the same year, though :) | 10:24 |
| BenC | pitti: today is your b-day too? | 10:24 |
| pitti | yes :) | 10:24 |
| BenC | sweet, happy b-day :) | 10:24 |
| BenC | I'm '72 | 10:24 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: enjoy it. | 10:24 |
| pitti | thanks *smile* | 10:24 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: congrats. | 10:24 |
| pitti | BenC: '80 | 10:24 |
| BenC | well, 1972, not 72 years :) | 10:25 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: thanks | 10:25 |
| Mithrandir | pitti is a mad youngster, just like me, it seems. | 10:25 |
| BenC | Mithrandir, mdz, cjwatson_: Uploaded, and afk | 10:25 |
| pitti | unfortunately neither my gf nor some of my friends are in the city; fortunate for working on the weekend, though :-P | 10:25 |
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| maswan | Mithrandir: speaking of smaller sprints, I'm sure you guys would enjoy Kronlunds too, during winter or summer. :) | 10:26 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: that's an excellent suggestion. Does it have some kind of URL with prices and booking info and so on? | 10:26 |
| Mithrandir | also, do you know about how it is, bandwidth-wise? | 10:27 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: I will know in one month. :) It was good before the university sold it off anyway. | 10:27 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: http://www.kronlundkursgard.se/ | 10:28 |
| Kmos | BenC: '72 ? lol.. | 10:28 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: let me dig for prices | 10:28 |
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| kylem | reminded me of home :P | 10:29 |
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| Mithrandir | it's slightly hard to get to ume, that's a downside. | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | kylem: I liked .ca a lot, it reminded me of home too. :-) | 10:30 |
| maswan | Yeah, there are good flights from arlanda, but it is one more hop from the closest international airport | 10:30 |
| pitti | Mithrandir, BenC, kylem: new kernel 15.26 is happy on my (quoting Ben) 'mad lba28' drive | 10:30 |
| pitti | [ 29.770878] ata1.00: ata_hpa_resize 1: sectors = 25408559, hpa_sectors = 25410672 | 10:30 |
| pitti | [ 29.770885] ata1.00: Host Protected Area detected. | 10:30 |
| pitti | [ 29.770886] current size : 25408559 sectors (13009 MB) | 10:30 |
| pitti | [ 29.770888] native size : 25410672 sectors (13010 MB) | 10:30 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: coolie. | 10:30 |
| Kmos | BenC: it's the year =) lol | 10:31 |
| Kmos | 35 years old.. happy b'day | 10:31 |
| Kmos | :) | 10:31 |
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| Mithrandir | maswan: now you made me miss being a student and doing all the crazy stuff we did, including NUCCCs. | 10:33 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: I got a quote at ~1300 SEK/person from lunch-lunch, including single rooms, hottubs, etc. | 10:33 |
| Mithrandir | including food too? | 10:33 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: so about 1k SEK/day including food if you can stand sleeping 4 people in a room. | 10:33 |
| maswan | yes, that's two lunches, one dinner, one breakfast and two fika | 10:34 |
| Mithrandir | doesn't sound bad at all then. | 10:34 |
| maswan | plus a few hundred SEK/day for conference room | 10:34 |
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| kylem | pitti, good to hear. | 10:35 |
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| maswan | Mithrandir: anyway, if you guys are interested, I'm heading there in may, so I can get back to you wrt bandwidth etc. | 10:35 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: heh, I haven't quite let go of that world yet, I'm heading to NUCCC in Lund next month. :) | 10:36 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: I'm not the one doing plannings for sprints, but I could ask about it, sure. | 10:36 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: lucky you. :-) | 10:36 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: it's good for up to about 80 people, 100 can probably squeeze in (like we did att NUCCC here) | 10:37 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, I'd be thinking distro-team sprint or something like that. | 10:37 |
| Mithrandir | where we're around 20-ish. | 10:37 |
| maswan | that's about the size of this group too, the swedish academic hpc sysadmins gettogether | 10:41 |
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| tormod | ok, just found https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ | 10:45 |
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| bluefoxicy | hrm what the hell | 11:56 |
| bluefoxicy | someone try installing seti (you'll get boinc something), then remove it and boinc-client | 11:56 |
| bluefoxicy | while that's removing (like as soon as you hit apply in synaptic), open System->Administration->Services | 11:56 |
| bluefoxicy | see if Services and Apt both freeze. | 11:56 |
| bluefoxicy | services might just break on its own too | 11:57 |
| bluefoxicy | but it's not as much fun if you don't break Apt too ;) | 11:57 |
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| bluefoxicy | alternately, the boinc-client uninstallation script might just be broken too and I hit both bugs at once :( | 11:58 |
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| phaidros | hi, just read this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/13/AR2007041301610.html | 12:01 |
| phaidros | is ubuntu kernel already patched for madwifi? | 12:01 |
| phaidros | seems to be a major bug in madwifi :/ | 12:02 |
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| jdong | that sounds like that AP scanning bug from a month ago | 12:02 |
| phaidros | jdong: it is. | 12:03 |
| phaidros | so its done already. | 12:03 |
| phaidros | I just found it today :) | 12:03 |
| jdong | yeah | 12:03 |
| phaidros | wasn't for a while in #madwifi :) | 12:03 |
| phaidros | ok, kewl. | 12:04 |
| phaidros | thanks | 12:04 |
| jdong | phaidros: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-404-1 | 12:07 |
| jdong | phaidros: Jan 01 | 12:08 |
| jdong | 09* | 12:08 |
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| phaidros | wow, january .. thats some time ago | 12:09 |
| phaidros | hehe, news are late then :) | 12:09 |
| bluefoxicy | oh man, how do I approach this | 12:09 |
| bluefoxicy | my hard disk light flashes once a second just about | 12:09 |
| bluefoxicy | nothing should be causing that | 12:10 |
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