[12:11] <geser> apt-get uses only one connection per server, if you have several servers configured apt-get fetches the lists in parallel
[12:12] <fryfrog> kylem: those screenshots provide anything useful?
[12:12] <kylem> sort of :)
[12:13] <fryfrog> would it be helpful for me to test that -15.24 kernel?
[12:13] <kylem> yeah
[12:13] <fryfrog> okay, lemme go down and get onto the live cd again :)
[12:22] <fryfrog> kylem: should i feed this one the ignore_hpa=1 option?  or try w/o?
[12:23] <kylem> please try both, but it's ignore_hpa=0 (1 is the default)
[12:23] <fryfrog> ahhhh
[12:23] <fryfrog> seems like "ignore_hpa=1" would turn ignore on
[12:23] <fryfrog> but i'll try both :)
[12:23] <fryfrog> any preference on which one first?
[12:24] <kylem> nope.
[12:29] <fryfrog> that worked, both with the =1 and =0
[12:31] <fryfrog> would you like the dmesg from both?  i've saved them if you like
[12:31] <kylem> yes. please.
[12:31] <fryfrog> !pastebin
[12:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:33] <fryfrog> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15445/ (hpa=0)
[12:34] <fryfrog> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15446/ (hpa=1)
[12:34] <fryfrog> currently, it is booted w/o any kernel args, into "nomral" mode
[12:34] <fryfrog> and working fine :)
[12:35] <kylem> er. you didn't specify either of them?
[12:35] <kylem> bizarre.
[12:35] <fryfrog> yeah, on the 3rd (final) boot
[12:35] <kylem> but it booted on all 3?
[12:35] <kylem> interesting, heh.
[12:35] <kylem> thanks for your time
[12:35] <fryfrog> yup
[12:35] <kylem> :)
[12:36] <fryfrog> np, i prefer to at least provide some guinne pig when i can :)
[12:36] <fryfrog> guinnea?
[12:36] <fryfrog> well, you know
[12:37] <fryfrog> I see what looks like some debug msgs left by "BEN" maybe :)
[12:37] <kylem> yeah those are fixed in the version in the archive :)
[12:38] <fryfrog> i'm not super hacker, but it seems like hpa was simply disabled for this entirely
[12:40] <fryfrog> silly question, would using that kernel .deb make the l-r-m modules not work?  i'm quite sure the answer is yes
[12:41] <kylem> fryfrog, yeah.
[12:41] <fryfrog> kk
[12:41] <fryfrog> but the -15.25 is soon-to-join the repos, right?
[12:41] <kylem> when the version hits the archive, everything shouldbe groovy though.
[12:41] <fryfrog> (along with all the stuff it goes with)
[12:41] <fryfrog> kk
[12:41] <kylem> fryfrog, i already see it for amd64, i386 should be a little while.
[12:41] <fryfrog> ah, sweet
[12:42] <fryfrog> i appreciate all your help :)
[12:42] <kylem> np. s'what i'm hear for. :)
[12:45] <fryfrog> i think i am seeing the -15.24 in dist-upgrade, i thought it was going to be -15.25?
[12:46] <kylem> it will be
[12:46] <fryfrog> at least, dist upgrade is offering to update it
[12:46] <kylem> must not be in the archive yet
[12:46] <fryfrog> and aptitude show gives it as -15.24
[12:47] <cjwatson> -15.25 isn't finished for i386 yet
[12:48] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/+builds/vernadsky
[12:48] <fryfrog> is there a -15.24 in the repos?
[12:48] <fryfrog> i don't see it on one box
[12:48] <cjwatson> yes, for i386
[12:48] <fryfrog> but on the other, it thinks there is :/
[12:48] <fryfrog> ah
[12:48] <cjwatson> for amd64 you should see -15.25
[12:49] <cjwatson> we're in the middle of the -15.25 build cycle and pedalling as fast as possible
[12:49] <fryfrog> ah, it must be picking it up because i installed the .deb that kylem showed me
[12:49] <kylem> ... sparc beat i386? :)
[12:49] <fryfrog> my other box sees the -15.24, but isn't trying to install it
[12:51] <cjwatson> kylem: fewer flavours
[12:51] <cjwatson> i386 tends to be late
[12:51] <kylem> true
[12:51] <cjwatson> 386, generic, server, server-bigiron, lowlatency, and any I forgot
[12:51] <Kmos> why it take so long to build it ?
[12:51] <Kmos> 3 hours..
[12:52] <kylem> lowlatency of all the flavours, no?
[12:52] <cjwatson> Kmos: it's not running on the fastest available box
[12:52] <cjwatson> kylem: don't think so
[12:52] <Kmos> cjwatson :-(
[12:52] <cjwatson> Kmos: which is my fault, I forgot to page a buildd admin to set that up
[12:52] <cjwatson> faster to just leave it going now
[12:52] <Kmos> yeah
[12:52] <cjwatson> but it does always take a while, it's doing five kernel builds from scratch
[12:53] <Kmos> what machine is it ? very slowly..
[12:53] <Kmos> it's on the launchpad machine'
[12:53] <Kmos> ?
[12:53] <cjwatson> I can't remember if ccache is involved but ISTR it doesn't help much because there are so many different packages going through that the ccache tends not to be live
[12:53] <cjwatson> it's one of the i386 buildds
[12:54] <cjwatson> I don't really think it's doing all that disgracefully badly considering that there are five kernel builds to do in that time
[12:54] <cjwatson> with full module sets for each
[12:54] <cjwatson> it'll get there, no point worrying about it now
[12:54] <kylem> probably doesn't have CONCURRENCY_LEVEL set either.
[12:54] <cjwatson> it should do
[12:54] <kylem> ah. that's good then.
[12:54] <cjwatson> that's done automatically by the kernel's debian/rules if /CurrentlyBuilding exists which it should do on the buildds
[12:55] <Kmos> tomorrow is done =)
[12:55] <Kmos> lol
[12:55] <cjwatson> you're not really helping
[12:55] <Kmos> i would like to..
[12:55] <Kmos> :)
[12:56] <fryfrog> 18:29 -!- jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong]  has quit ["FCKGW-RHQQ2-YXRKT-8TG6W-2B7Q8"] 
[12:56] <fryfrog> i noticed that earlier... that looks like an XP key :p
[12:57] <Kmos> yeah
[01:00] <cjwatson> mjg59: bug 106328 is a regression introduced by your most recent upload
[01:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 106328 in hotkey-setup "dell.hk: line 21: setkeycode: command not found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106328
[01:01] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: ^--
[01:01] <cjwatson> I'm going to fix that since it looks trivial to do so
[01:05] <cjwatson> -setkeycode     e06d    $KEY_MEDIA      # (Inspiron)    Media (e06d)
[01:05] <cjwatson> +setkeycodes    e06d    $KEY_MEDIA      # (Inspiron)    Media (e06d)
[01:06] <fryfrog> wow, +s is simple
[01:07] <Kmos> cjwatson: that's an easy fix =)
[01:45] <mjg59> cjwatson: Aw, feck :( Sorry!
[01:45] <mjg59> Thanks for the fix
[02:29] <conn> hi mjg59, re: bug 103768 with network-manager and softmac drivers, did you identify where the problem is in nm/wpasupplicant? I read on the zd1211rw page of known issues that the interface needs to be brought up "ifconfig eth1 up" before sending commands, perhaps that's a quirk with softmac drivers?
[02:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 103768 in linux-source-2.6.20 "softmac and network-manager cite unreconcilable differences" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103768
[02:29] <conn> it's certainly an issue on my systems, tested on two separate pcs running feisty and tested with two different zd1211-based cards
[02:33] <mjg59> I'm still looking into it
[02:35] <conn> alright, thanks. It'd be nice to get this fix in before the final release, I'll be happy to contribute towards troubleshooting etc. to make it happen
[02:36] <mjg59> conn: Right now it seems like I'm the only person working on it
[02:36] <mjg59> My time is a bit limited, but I think I have a vague handle on what the problem is
[02:36] <mjg59> The issue is finding a way of fixing it without interfering with other drivers
[02:36] <mjg59> Can't absolutely promise anything, but I'm still working on it
[02:37] <conn> I'll do some testing on my systems and if I find anything useful, I'll add to the bug. I just couldn't find where NetworkManager sets the ESSID, keys etc via wpasupplicant.
[02:37] <conn> hmm I don't mean to pressure you at all, of course :). And I appreciate the work all of you are doing, heh ;)
[02:47] <pochu> mjg59: n-m from p.u.c/~scott/packages works better than ever :-) It now starts connected if I'm connected to the wired network (before upgrading, it didn't start connected). And now I can connect to my wpa wireless network (I'm there atm) but with the previous version I had problems to do it :)
[02:48] <pochu> mjg59: I'm here because the mail to u-d would get moderated :)
[02:48] <pochu> btw, does liferea works fine for you? :)
[02:48] <mjg59> Liferea seems fine for me
[02:49] <pochu> Cool :) Though there seems to be a little problems with it for other people :-/
[02:49] <cjwatson> wow, building a full set of all language packs really does take quite a while
[02:49] <pochu> What about an i386 kernel in a slow machine? :p
[02:50] <pochu> mjg59: btw, did you forget to set an Ubuntu Maintainer? ;)
[02:50] <cjwatson> it'll probably still be done before the 300+ other needs-build items for i386
[02:50] <cjwatson> it's all still churning, just taking a while
[02:50] <poningru> halp
[02:50] <poningru> who was it that packaged beryl?
[02:51] <poningru> do users with ati or intel graphics still have to add stuff to their xorg.conf?
[02:51] <cjwatson> oho, kernel seems to be into binary stage finally
[02:52] <cjwatson> amd64 and powerpc have quiesced
[02:53] <mjg59> pochu: No, I upload stuff under my own address
[02:54] <mjg59> It's likely to carry on working longer than my @ubuntu one :)
[02:55] <pochu> +Maintainer: Riccardo Setti <giskard@debian.org>
[02:55] <pochu> dpkg-buildpackage complained because there wasn't an Ubuntu address there ;)
[02:56] <mjg59> Which package was that?
[02:56] <cjwatson> it only complains if your own DEBEMAIL is @ubuntu.com
[02:57] <pochu> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/packages/network-manager_0.6.4-6ubuntu7.diff.gz
[02:57] <cjwatson> or rather =~ /ubuntu/
[02:57] <mjg59> pochu: I've never uploaded n-m
[02:57] <pochu> ups, sorry
[02:57] <pochu> mjg59: It was Keibuk :S
[02:57] <mjg59> Scott is keybuk
[02:57] <pochu> hehe
[02:57] <cjwatson> sorry, it only fatally complains if DEBEMAIL =~ /ubuntu/. It does warn otherwise but you can ignore ittt
[02:57] <cjwatson> it
[02:58] <pochu> my DEBEMAIL is pochu@ubuntu.com, so maybe that's why I had to change it
[02:59] <cjwatson> people with DEBEMAIL =~ /ubuntu/ are responsible for handling it; others are not
[02:59] <pochu> then I assume the responsability :)
[02:59] <cjwatson> I'm not convinced it's an ideal heuristic but it's what we have
[02:59] <pochu> It's better than nothing, isn't it? ;)
[03:00] <pochu> mjg59: Sorry for bothering you, I'm going to sleep right now :)
[03:00] <pochu> Have a nice weekend!
[03:00] <mjg59> Night!
[03:15] <cjwatson> sparc has quiesced
[03:18] <cjwatson> as has ia64, so it's just the i386 backlog left
[03:27] <BenC> cjwatson: any plans to update the i386 buildd?
[03:28] <cjwatson> BenC: if it had hit palmer, it'd be fine - my fault
[03:29] <cjwatson> don't know about vernadsky upgrade plans
[03:29] <kylem> heh
[03:29] <cjwatson> argh, how many times does the kernel build hit stamp-build-kernel anyway?
[03:30] <BenC> pretty sure we could acquire a dual quad-core pretty easily
[03:30] <BenC> cjwatson: blame make-kpkg :/
[03:30] <BenC> well, blame it now, because it wont be blamed in gutsy
[03:30] <ajmitch> anything specific that you want tested with latest kernel? just that it boots?
[03:31] <BenC> ajmitch: make sure you test -15.25
[03:31] <BenC> -15.24 is known broken on sata_nv
[03:31] <ajmitch> yeah I've got that
[03:31] <ajmitch> and I have sata_nv
[03:31] <BenC> basically that it boots and that your drive sizes look sane
[03:31] <ajmitch> since it's been 2 months since I last rebooted :)
[03:32] <BenC> hopefully you wont hit any problems, I think we're all out of fire extinguishers
[03:32] <kylem> i'm wearing my asbestos vest today.
[03:32] <ajmitch> I'll track down a dapper live cd in case
[03:32] <cjwatson> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic' in `../linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.25_i386.deb'.
[03:33] <cjwatson> shouldn't be too long now
[03:33] <BenC> yay
[03:34] <cjwatson> unfortunately hotkey-setup/i386 is stuck behind all the language packs, so I have to wait for them all
[03:35] <cjwatson> I'm unwilling to page any buildd admins at this time
[03:39] <BenC> are the language packs quick?
[03:40] <wasabi> evms' udev rules only running on dm-* and raid is a bit... annoying.
[03:40] <wasabi> Any reason these don't run on any block device?
[03:40] <cjwatson> BenC: individually, yes, but there are a lot of them
[03:41] <BenC> cjwatson: would be nice if the "all" builds were load balanced :)
[03:41] <cjwatson> the buildds are doing a couple a minute
[03:41] <cjwatson> unfortunately historically arch-all binaries haven't necessarily actually *built* on all architectures
[03:41] <BenC> but they all build on i386, right?
[03:41] <cjwatson> yes
[03:41] <cjwatson> because that's historically been the safe working assumption
[03:42] <BenC> can you guys configure it to build on something else, for testing?
[03:42] <kylem> can we get some kind of regexp for linux-source-* to only build on the fast one?
[03:42] <cjwatson> probably, it would be nice to know what failed
[03:42] <kylem> :P
[03:42] <cjwatson> apparently tollef normally does it by temporarily turning off the other buildds and then massively scoring up linux-source-* ..
[03:43] <cjwatson> hadn't realised it was quite that crude :)
[03:43] <kylem> haha.
[03:47] <ajmitch> alright, -15.25 working here with / on lvm on md on a sata_nv chipset
[03:48] <cjwatson> nice
[03:48] <kylem> thank fuck. :)
[03:48] <ajmitch> I reckon :)
[03:49] <mjg59> Once again, the glorious kernel team drag victory from the jaws of defeat
[03:49] <cjwatson> in Soviet Russia, the kernel boots YOU
[03:55] <cjwatson> into binary-udebs
[03:55] <kylem> like a boot stamping on your face, forever.
[03:56] <BenC> ajmitch: thanks
[03:58] <poningru> ok submitting that to bash.org right now
[04:09] <cjwatson> publishing i386 kernel
[04:10] <kylem> \o/
[04:13] <BenC> cjwatson: how much longer till you can get some sleep yourself?
[04:14] <_lemsx1_> Failed to fetch MIRROR_HERE linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb  403 Forbidden
[04:14] <cjwatson> dunno yet, need to publish d-i and make sure that starts building and ideally start some livefs builds
[04:14] <cjwatson> _lemsx1_: intentional
[04:14] <_lemsx1_> any reason for this? i guess this is known
[04:14] <_lemsx1_> cjwatson: ok. figures
[04:15] <cjwatson> _lemsx1_: -15.25 kernel is publishing right now; use that when it's available
[04:15] <cjwatson> should be about half an hour
[04:15] <cjwatson> -14.23 broke booting for too many people
[04:15] <ajmitch> far easier to deal with complaints about a forbidden file than unbootable systems
[04:15] <_lemsx1_> cjwatson: ok. sounds good. perhaps that should be in the subject of this room ;-)
[04:15] <ajmitch> it's in the topic in #ubuntu+1
[04:15] <cjwatson> _lemsx1_: this isn't a help channel so I don't feel the need
[04:16] <_lemsx1_> cjwatson: ok. i understand
[04:16] <cjwatson> besides, it'll be irrelevant soon
[04:16] <cjwatson> next publisher run after this, I'll remove the -14 kernels
[04:16] <_lemsx1_> ajmitch: i didn't know there was #ubuntu+1 ... weird
[04:17] <ajmitch> it's been around for a few releases
[04:18] <_lemsx1_> ajmitch: i see... make sense. i never really venture into beta releases ;-) but Feisty is too tempting 
[04:21] <BenC> cjwatson: it's like what, 3am there?
[04:21] <BenC> cjwatson: you should get some rest dude
[04:22] <_lemsx1_> BenC: rest or grab another beer and keep coding... ;-)
[04:23] <BenC> if he was coding, it'd be different...he's just babysitting automated systems :)
[04:23] <_lemsx1_> BenC: ahhh... those things take care of themselves ;-) then yeah, he should get some rest
[04:24] <_lemsx1_> cjwatson: give me root and i'll watch them for you. go to sleep
[04:24] <_lemsx1_> jeje!
[04:24] <cjwatson> it's not entirely automated unfortunately - it's the CD builds I need to kick off at the appropriate time
[04:24] <cjwatson> and I don't have enough info yet to predict a time for it
[04:24] <_lemsx1_> cjwatson: ouch
[04:25] <cjwatson> I'm basically dozing in the chair between events
[04:25] <cjwatson> and keeping an eye out for regression reports
[04:25] <_lemsx1_> cjwatson: i know exactly what you mean.... no more java there? grab a coke
[04:26] <cjwatson> I have plenty of coffee, but I don't need to be alert at the moment, so I'd rather be able to sleep easily later
[04:27] <cjwatson> one of these days, launchpad will be able to manage the whole process start to end for us
[04:28] <cjwatson> but in the meantime there's enough stuff hooked up by spit and polish that it needs a bit more looking after if you want optimal output times
[04:28] <_lemsx1_> cjwatson: launchpad is looking better by the minute. that's a very good collaboration site
[04:40] <Solarion> so, I"m trying to squish a bug with the backlight not turning off when dpms is active.
[04:40] <Solarion> Does HAL call /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank on blanking
[04:40] <mjg59> Many X drivers don't know how to do dpms properly
[04:40] <Solarion> ?
[04:40] <mjg59> No
[04:40] <Solarion> This used to work, I'm pretty sure.
[04:40] <mjg59> Hal doesn't trigger screen blanking
[04:40] <Solarion> it's the free radeon.
[04:41] <Solarion> hey mjg59.  :)
[04:41] <mjg59> Hm. Ought to work, but entirely possible that something's broken
[04:41] <Solarion> what could I use to ascertain brokenness?
[04:41] <Solarion> Pretty sure this is new with feisty.
[04:42] <Solarion> I'm willing to fix it, but I like to save power (and screen life) :)
[04:42] <mjg59> How are you triggering dpms?
[04:42] <_lemsx1_> pardon my interruption, but could DPMS (bugs) crash a system? I always try to turn that off in my PC. when it's on, the PC crashes at random times (when idle for a long time) and I'm not sure if it's DPMS or something else (power, heat, who knows)
[04:42] <Solarion> xscreensaver and xset dpms force off
[04:42] <mjg59> And they result in a black screen but the backlight still on?
[04:42] <Solarion> yes
[04:43] <mjg59> Almost certainly a radeon bug then, I'm afraid
[04:43] <Solarion> I'll file it
[04:43] <cjwatson> -15.25/i386 up and on all archive.ubuntu.com mirrors
[04:43] <Solarion> mjg59: what could I do to help track it down?
[04:44] <Solarion> mjg59: would it make a difference if driver is ati or radeon?
[04:44] <mjg59> No, ati just loads radeon
[04:44] <_lemsx1_> cjwatson: that's good news
[04:44] <Solarion> is what I thought, but I wanted to check (there's some weird stuff floating around on the intarwebs around that)
[04:44] <mjg59> I'm afraid I haven't done a great deal of work on radeon
[04:44] <mjg59> The PM calls in the driver should be easy enough to find
[04:45] <mjg59> Then it's a matter of figuring out what's different between them and feisty
[04:45] <mjg59> Edgy, rather
[04:47] <Solarion> hmm
[04:47] <Solarion> so it's not a known problem
[04:47] <mjg59> Not that I know of, though it's possible it is
[04:47] <mjg59> I have no ATI machines here, sadly
[04:48] <jdong> mjg59: honestly how is that sad? ;-)
[04:48] <_ion> s/sadly/fortunately/
[04:48] <Solarion> old ati cards are pretty nice.
[04:48] <jdong> wow ATI jokes come fast :)
[04:48] <jdong> Solarion: ah, that may be :) but you sure don't see many of those anymore :D
[04:48] <Solarion> I would either buy a sufficiently old ATI or new Intel
[04:48] <kylem> mjg59, except your MBP ;P
[04:48] <mjg59> kylem: Ha. Yeah, but not useful in this case
[04:49] <_ion> As soon as they release the source code to fglrx with a free license, i'm not going to do ATI jokes anymore. ;-)
[04:49] <mjg59> Turns out that writing drivers from scratch tells you little about bugs in the old one
[04:49] <kylem> mjg59, YET
[04:49] <jdong> _ion: my LUNGS hurt from laughing
[04:49] <mjg59> kylem: Dude, I'm running it. It's useful in that respect.
[04:49] <kylem> mjg59, hehe.
[04:49] <jdong> _ion: and my heart hurts too because I have a x1400...
[04:49] <mjg59> Need to figure out why the latest changes break LVDS, and then I think we're heading towards being ready for an initial release
[04:49] <kylem> mjg59, i need to go buy some hw and work on that.
[04:50] <mjg59> Yeah, schedule should be a bit more empty for the next few weeks, I guess
[04:51] <_lemsx1_> oh, i see, jokes about ATI are not offtopic... i guess we all just hate the stupid driver situation with them... ;-)
[04:52] <mjg59> _lemsx1_: The driver situation is being worked on
[04:52] <mjg59> We'll have something for gutsy
[04:52] <_lemsx1_> mjg59: you are very optimistic 
[04:52] <mjg59> _lemsx1_: I'm running an open driver on my r500
[04:52] <Solarion> mjg59: are you an xorg hacker?
[04:53] <mjg59> Solarion: I do a small amount of xorg work
[04:53] <Solarion> bug #106414, if anyone cares
[04:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 106414 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[Feisty]  DPMS no longer switches off backlight on radeon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106414
[04:53] <jdong> mjg59: ooh very sweet
[04:53] <mjg59> Right now it runs on a tiny subset of machines
[04:53] <mjg59> And on everything else it probably melts your TFT
[04:53] <mjg59> But there should be something useful soon
[04:54] <mjg59> So, yeah, there's reason to be optimistic :)
[04:54] <jdong> cool, I'm glad to hear that
[04:55] <_lemsx1_> mjg59: most people with ATI want 2 things "games" and "aiglx/xgl"... open drivers usually give you some of those 2 things. closed source one gives you 1 at best (hint: not x effects for desktop use)
[04:55] <kylem> some of us just want a dumb fb.
[04:55] <jdong> _lemsx1_: heh I've been running fglrx with Xgl for a year now....
[04:55] <mjg59> xcompmgr makes a dumb fb surprisingly usable
[04:55] <jdong> and it's been compizzing and beryling just fine
[04:55] <Solarion> some of us want all of that and C3 states.  :(
[04:55] <_lemsx1_> jdong: went back to the old driver didn't you?
[04:55] <jdong> old driver?
[04:55] <jdong> I'm using Feisty fglrx....
[04:56] <jdong> with feisty Xgl
[04:56] <jdong> Compiz works as-is in Xgl; Beryl requires the lupine repo 0.2.0
[04:56] <_lemsx1_> jdong: i wonder how you accomplished that feast 
[04:56] <jdong> _lemsx1_: on my card it didn't take any effort at all... but YMMV
[04:57] <jdong> I find the world of fglrx to be really inconsistent from model to model
[04:57] <_lemsx1_> jdong: what card is that?
[04:57] <jdong> x1400 mobility
[04:57] <jdong> I also walked an X800 (X700 maybe?) user through the same steps and it works fine for him too
[04:57] <_lemsx1_> jdong: ah, i see... very recent stuff
[04:57] <jdong> basically the beryl wiki procedure...
[04:57] <jdong> yeah recent stuff
[04:57] <kylem> eh? x800/700 is r300?
[04:57] <jdong> I think that's highly relevant to the success rate
[04:58] <kylem> why would you need to use fglrx...
[04:58] <mjg59> Well, r400
[04:58] <mjg59> But close enough
[04:58] <jdong> kylem: IIRC he said it was glitchy with OSS drivers?
[04:58] <kylem> mjg59, right
[04:58] <jdong> wasn't my card :-/
[04:59] <_lemsx1_> jdong: on every new release of drivers there is always a post on rage3d.com forums about missing xgl/aiglx ... nobody ever says it works for them
[04:59] <jdong> heh
[05:00] <_lemsx1_> jdong: i'm so fed up with it, that i don't care anymore ... 2D is fine for most things. 3D for what matters (some games)
[05:00] <jdong> well Xgl is not exactly cake to set up for most people
[05:00] <_lemsx1_> jdong: but you bet that i'm never buying an ATI (or recommending it)
[05:00] <jdong> yeah on the forums I've definitely seeen people put up a fight with fglrx
[05:00] <jdong> _lemsx1_: likewise.... I only settled for the card because this laptop model comes with a bunch of other perks....
[05:01] <_lemsx1_> jdong: i thought that AMD buying the company was going to actually improve the customer relationship... but i guess "costumer" really means "vendors" and "oem" for them... screw it
[05:01] <jdong> _lemsx1_: it looks downhill to me
[05:02] <jdong> _lemsx1_: AMD is planning to use its GPU integration to lock the framebuffer for DRM purposes
[05:02] <jdong> _lemsx1_: it looks like ATI is contagious
[05:02] <_lemsx1_> jdong: looks to me that AMD is in the path of becoming synonymous with ATI and DRM, both acronyms with bad connotations ... oh well
[05:03] <Solarion> where do src debs go?
[05:03] <_lemsx1_> jdong: for me is Intel all the way from now on
[05:03] <Solarion> _lemsx1_: me too
[05:03] <jdong> _lemsx1_: +1
[05:03] <Solarion> or a very old ati
[05:03] <cjwatson> Solarion: I suspect you don't mean source debs. you mean source packages?
[05:03] <jdong> LOL
[05:03] <Solarion> cjwatson: yes
[05:03] <cjwatson> Solarion: in the regular archive right next to the binary packages
[05:04] <cjwatson> apt-get source <sourcepackagename>
[05:04] <Solarion> cjwatson: "regular archive" is what/where?
[05:04] <Solarion> yes, that's how I installed it
[05:04] <cjwatson> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[05:04] <cjwatson> do you mean where do they go on your system?
[05:04] <Solarion> yes
[05:04] <_lemsx1_> Solarion: do you have a deb-src line in your sources.list file ?
[05:04] <cjwatson> 'apt-get source' puts them in the current directory
[05:04] <Solarion> yes
[05:04] <cjwatson> so wherever you ran that
[05:05] <Solarion> ah, there they are
[05:05] <_lemsx1_> Solarion: man apt-get ;-)
[05:07] <Solarion> any radeon driver hackers aroudn?
[05:08] <_lemsx1_> Solarion: did you just use the H word?
[05:08] <_lemsx1_> Solarion: just kidding ;-)
[05:09] <_ion> I didn't get it.
[05:10] <_lemsx1_> _ion: "hacker" has such a bad meaning for some people. programmer is much nicer: any radeon driver programmers around...
[05:10] <jdong> oh come on.... you gotta try harder to make _ion melt into a puddle
[05:11] <jdong> _ion: fglrx
[05:11] <jdong> _ion: automatix easyubuntu libdvdcss2 java opera flash shockwave ......
[05:11] <_lemsx1_> jdong: jeje!
[05:11] <jdong> :)
[05:11] <_ion> From that lise, libdvdcss is a good thing, and it sucks that software patents prevent it from being distributed freely. :-)
[05:11] <_ion> list
[05:11] <_ion> CSS itself sucks, of course.
[05:12] <jdong> _ion: but Automatix Installs It (tm)
[05:12] <jdong> out of the box!
[05:12] <jdong> swiftfox!
[05:12] <_lemsx1_> anybody knows of a screensaver that's actually useful? something that connects to an RSS feed and displays the text in a Slide-Show way that's fun to read and "flashy" ?
[05:12] <jdong> _lemsx1_: I've put up fortune -o as a screensaver before
[05:12] <jdong> that... actually didn't end well.....
[05:12] <jdong> who knew those jokes would offend?
[05:12] <_lemsx1_> jdong: ROFL
[05:13] <_lemsx1_> jdong: if you install the wrong fortune cookies they will... i love those offensive thingies.. they are fun
[05:13] <_ion> If i say "from now on, 'hacker' means a terrorist", would you stop (and encourage others to stop) using the word because me and perhaps some other people have a stupid idea about the word's meaning? :-)
[05:14] <_lemsx1_> _ion: if you convince the society that surrounds me, i will... but that's assuming that "terrorist" is "bad" for me ;-)
[05:14] <_lemsx1_> _ion: what if i grew up in a society where what we know as "terrorist" are consider "martyrs" ?
[05:14] <jdong> then there are other issues to deal with than the connotation of 'hacker' :)
[05:14] <_ion> :-)
[05:15] <_lemsx1_> jdong: couldn't agree more
[05:15] <_lemsx1_> jdong: jeje!... like "lack of food for proper nutrition" for instance... boy i'm getting hungry... jeje!
[05:17] <cjwatson> langpacks and hotkey-setup done, publishing; d-i building
[05:19] <cjwatson> forgot to remove -14 kernels, looking at that now
[05:21] <_lemsx1_> jdong: i got the idea of a good screensaver from the slide show on the Nintendo Wii... but that's offtopic anyway ... i'll keep looking (or venture into writing one)
[05:39] <guiment> is it true that feisty will include compiz in the main ubuntu repository (that is, not universe or multiverse)?
[05:40] <jdong> it's already there and instaled by default
[05:40] <guiment> jdong: but not enabled by default, right?
[05:40] <jdong> correct
[05:40] <jdong> it can be enabled thru System->Prefs->Desktop Effects
[05:46] <guiment> jdong: and beryl will stay universe?
[05:46] <jdong> yes
[05:47] <guiment> jdong: thank you
[05:47] <jdong> no problem :)
[05:47] <guiment> jdong: probably more beryl plugins should be added, though
[05:47] <guiment> useable in compiz
[05:48] <jdong> well what you see at this stage is what will ship
[05:48] <jdong> compiz by default will be pretty conservative
[05:48] <guiment> right..
[05:48] <jdong> additional compiz plugins are in universe, compiz-extra
[05:48] <jdong> beryl and beryl-plugins-unsupported are both in universe too
[05:49] <guiment> jdong: of course it will be, it has to, we don't want to discourage newbyes because of some eye candy
[05:49] <jdong> :)
[05:49] <guiment> jdong: i mean i strongly agree
[05:49] <guiment> :)
[05:56] <guiment> jdong: one last question: as you know, the initial plans were to abandon the inclusion of compiz and some drivers by default: how did this change? or when?
[05:57] <jdong> guiment: To the best of my knowledge Compiz went in by default because of Mark/TB influences....
[05:57] <jdong> guiment: proprietary drivers can be easily installed via the Restricted Manager
[05:57] <ajmitch> they're not installed by default, but it's easy to turn them on (desktop effect, restricted drivers manager)
[05:57] <jdong> and for nvidia and nvidia-new, they will be set up to work with 3D effects
[05:57] <ajmitch> or compiz may be installed by default, but not enabled
[05:57] <jdong> ajmitch: installed by default; not activated
[05:57] <guiment> jdong, ajmitch: i know how much mark wanted that, i was just curious when this changed
[05:58] <jdong> it was.... like a month ago?
[05:58] <guiment> jdong: aha, i thought so
[05:59] <guiment> jdong, ajmitch: any official announcement? i would like to read that
[06:00] <jdong> don't recall any official announcement...
[06:00] <guiment> jdong: oh, ok
[06:00] <guiment> jdong: thanks again :)
[06:01] <guiment> ajmitch: thanks too
[06:01] <jdong> anytime
[06:01] <jdong> infinity2: aww infinity+1 would sound so much cooler :)
[06:02] <cjwatson> livefses building, braindump of state sent to Mithrandir, and bedtime at last
[06:02] <jdong> night cjwatson
[06:02] <jdong> don't work too hard :)
[06:22] <_ion> Yay, dovecot 1.0.0
[06:57] <YokoZar> So, I just became an ubuntu member
[06:57] <YokoZar> will I automatically have my launchpadnick@ubuntu.com as an email address?  I'd like to use it for the package maintainer field.
[06:58] <ajmitch> yep
[06:58] <ajmitch> not sure exactly how automatic it is, but it should work, and forward to your preferred address in launchpad
[07:13] <YokoZar> ajmitch: hooray it works perfectly
[07:13] <ajmitch> great
[09:31] <sladen> hd*->sd* migrations issues in bug #93655 should that be raised in importance
[09:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 93655 in udev "hda -> sda transition not handled during upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93655
[09:33] <Mithrandir> should probably just be releasenoted.
[09:55] <sladen> cjwatson: thanks for uploading the hotkey-setup typo fix
[10:03] <Treenaks> sladen: Unique UUID Identifier? sounds like Personal Pin Number :)
[10:04] <sladen> uniquely universally unique personal identifier identifier number
[10:04] <Treenaks> sladen: (tm)
[10:06] <sladen> Treenaks: I think there's some money to be made it in
[10:06] <Treenaks> sladen: especially if you can sell it to governments
[11:20] <pitti> cjwatson: ubiquity install release notes button leads to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/feistybeta ; that is certainly going to change?
[11:20] <pitti> Mithrandir: ^ do you know about this as well?
[11:21] <pitti> cjwatson: FYI, "Install" icon is translated now on live CD, due to new langpacks
[11:23] <Mithrandir> pitti: ugh, no, nobody has filed a targeted bug with critical importance about it.
[11:23] <pitti> Mithrandir: ok, will file one once Im back on my normal system with real kezboard layout
[11:23] <pitti> argh
[11:24] <Mithrandir> kezboard ftw.
[11:24] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:27] <pitti> hi mvo
[11:28] <mvo> alter!
[11:28] <mvo> hey pitti
[11:28] <ajmitch> hi mvo, pitti 
[11:29] <Nafallo> hi mvo, pitti, ajmitch
[11:30] <mvo> hey ajmitch, Nafallo
[11:30] <heno> pitti: I expect cjwatson won't be around for a few hours; he was up all night feeding the hamsters
[11:31] <Mithrandir> heno: new day, new candidates.  Care to update the testing grid?
[11:31] <heno> we should all give him a hug when he returns :)
[11:31] <heno> Mithrandir: yep, will you pm me md5sums?
[11:31] <Mithrandir> sure
[11:33] <Mithrandir> see msg
[11:41] <heno> Mithrandir: done. I didn't see ubuntu-server amongst those. still building that?
[11:44] <fabbione> heno: could you please wipe results for netboot too? thanks
[11:44] <fabbione> (and upgrade)
[11:46] <heno> fabbione: yeah, I wasn't sure about that. will do
[11:51] <fabbione> heno: cheers mate
[11:56] <heno> *** 20070414 CD and DVD images are ready. Check md5sums and post test results here: https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ ***
[12:11] <bdgraue> i updated to 2.6.20-14 and now to 2.6.20-15 and have still this problem  http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/9217/
[12:15] <afflux> I installed the kernelupdated to 2.6.20-14.23 yesterday, which broke my system (something with ata)... but I removed the older kernels that were still installed for cleaning up. 
[12:15] <afflux> now i'm in a livecd, chrooted into feisty and updated to -15.25 --- and I still have the same ata error (revalidation failed, n_sectors mismatch)
[12:23] <heno> mvo: welcome!
[12:23] <heno> ready for some fresh upgrade testing? :)
[12:23] <bdgraue> i someone need more specific to help, please ask..
[12:24] <mvo> heno: maybe, but I will have to stop when my wife comes back and catches me in front of the computer at a weekend ;)
[12:24] <heno> heh
[12:27] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: the release notes thing pitti mentioned is fine, it goes through a redirect
[12:30] <heno> cjwatson: great job on the all-night CD building! hope you slept well
[12:31] <cjwatson> like a baby
[12:34] <cjwatson> wow, people are still reporting bugs from Herd 1
[12:34] <cjwatson> (bug 106346)
[12:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 106346 in ubiquity "Installer crashed in a Compaq Evo 510 Celeron  (dup-of: 61912)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106346
[12:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 61912 in ubiquity "assert cache._depcache.BrokenCount == 0" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61912
[12:34] <fabbione> ehehe
[12:34] <cjwatson> (61912 is closed actually, it just has a high/confirmed edgy task in case I ever get round to a point release)
[12:42] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: I've committed a seed change to trim off 67MB or so of kdepim stuff from the Edubuntu DVD, which should bring it back within size limits
[12:43] <cjwatson> that's the last of the CD-health-check-reported problems
[12:43] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[12:58] <Enola_Gay> Is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/99498 planned to be fixed until Feisty release?
[12:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 99498 in hal "Nautilus and hal can't umount usb hd disk" [High,Confirmed]  
[01:12] <fabbione> heno: ping?
[01:13] <heno> fabbione: hi
[01:13] <fabbione> heno: hey dude.. i finished all the sparc test installs.. i only need to re-test upgrade with the new kernel even if i doubt it will fail.
[01:13] <fabbione> heno: i will try to do it either this evening or tomorrow, otherwise it's thumb up here
[01:13] <heno> fabbione: ROCK!
[01:14] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ^^ for you too
[01:14] <fabbione> (thumbs up of course includes reading the Release Notes.. otherwise there are known bugs)
[01:15] <pitti> cjwatson, Mithrandir: here's the promised bug: bug 106517
[01:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 106517 in ubiquity "Release notes button points to beta page" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106517
[01:16] <cjwatson> pitti: 11:27 <cjwatson> Mithrandir: the release notes thing pitti mentioned is fine, it goes through a redirect
[01:16] <pitti> hey cjwatson! big hug for the night shift!
[01:16] <poningru> indeed
[01:17] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, sorry, I didn't see this, was offline for testing
[01:17] <pitti> cjwatson: so I close this again, sorry for the panic
[01:17] <poningru> address for case of beer shipment?
[01:17] <cjwatson> pitti: (done already)
[01:19] <ajmitch> hey daniel
[01:25] <desrt> mjg59; well... there you have it.  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Newly_leaked_Antitrust_Memo_Bill_Gates_on_Making_ACPI_Not_Work_with_Linux
[01:33] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: coolie, thanks.
[01:55] <dthacker> link to daily builds?
[01:55] <asac_the_2nd> dthacker: iso?
[01:56] <dthacker> yes, please
[01:56] <Nafallo> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:56] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:56] <dthacker> tnx
[01:56] <Nafallo> np
[03:36] <Nafallo> iwj: I still get that error with disks already added on one array with up-to-date feisty. maybe it's because the array is degraded?
[03:36] <fabbione> Nafallo: was the raid downgraded before rebooting?
[03:36] <fabbione> or degraded
[03:37] <Nafallo> fabbione: yes
[03:38] <Nafallo> fabbione: planning on fixing that soon though. I took the server down to add another harddrive :-).
[03:38] <fabbione> Nafallo: ok.. then boot normally, put the raid back to full state and reboot
[03:38] <Nafallo> moving data around now
[03:38] <fabbione> ok
[03:38] <fabbione> i think it's normal you see error when a raid is degrade
[03:38] <fabbione> +d
[03:38] <Nafallo> yea. but the system should still boot.
[03:38] <fabbione> i would test it here but it takes over 10 hours to resync afterwards
[03:39] <fabbione> there is an ENVVAR to make it booting
[03:39] <Nafallo> I think we should work on it in gutsy rather than feisty though
[03:39] <fabbione> the problem is very simple
[03:39] <Nafallo> if the fix is easy enough we can put it in -updates anyway.
[03:40] <fabbione> there is no way to tell when all devices for a certain raid set will appear
[03:40] <fabbione> so the only thing we can do is to make sure all of them are there before starting the raid
[03:40] <Nafallo> yea. that sounds like what I was about to write :-)
[03:40] <fabbione> to be on the safe side you can set an envvar to override that
[03:40] <fabbione> there is no other way to fix it
[03:40] <Nafallo> hmm, oki.
[03:41] <fabbione> check mdadm changelog to see how to do it
[03:41] <fabbione> i don't recall it right now
[03:42] <Nafallo> I'll make the array happy instead :-)
[03:42] <Nafallo> still running pvmove from the disk I will add to the new disk. have been running for hours now and is at 23.9% ;-)
[03:43] <fabbione> pvmove is slow
[03:43] <Nafallo> sure is :-)
[03:43] <fabbione> sometimes it's faster to backup/reformat/restore
[03:43] <Nafallo> but it's wonderful weather, and it can work without me sitting and watch it :-)
[03:43] <fabbione> assuming you have enough space to do that
[03:43] <fabbione> ehhee
[03:48] <Nafallo> do we know if feisty will be delayed yet?
[03:50] <fabbione> Nafallo: nope.. RC clearly is.. release is unknown
[03:50] <Nafallo> thought so.
[03:50] <Nafallo> but I didn't know if RC and final had to have that week... ;-)
[03:50] <Nafallo> in that case it would have been known :-)
[03:51] <fabbione> well it's best if there sometime in the middle just collect pieces around
[03:52] <Nafallo> agreed. and atleast I think it should be a week ;-)
[03:52] <imbrandon> moins Nafallo / fabbione 
[03:52] <Nafallo> morning imbrandon :-)
[03:52] <fabbione> hi imbrandon 
[03:52] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon 
[03:52] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[03:53] <ajmitch> good timing, I'm just off to sleep now :)
[03:53] <imbrandon> snow everywhere out side, it supose to be SPRING !?! /me hushes
[03:53] <imbrandon> heh
[03:53] <fabbione> it's deadly warm here
[03:53] <imbrandon> sleep well ajmitch 
[03:53] <fabbione> night ajmitch 
[03:53] <ajmitch> night
[03:54] <imbrandon> fabbione, it was 80 F a few days ago, now snow, next week they are calling for 80 F again
[03:54] <imbrandon> crazy
[03:54] <fabbione> 80 F.. how much is that in C =
[03:54] <fabbione> ?
[03:54] <imbrandon> ummm /me looks
[03:54] <imbrandon> 80 degrees Fahrenheit = 26.6666667 degrees Celsius
[03:54] <fabbione> i would be dead at that temp...
[03:55] <fabbione> anything > 10C is deadly for me :)
[03:55] <imbrandon> thats normal summer temp here :)
[03:56] <Nafallo> 20+ C here :-)
[03:56] <imbrandon> the DataCenter is always nice and cool here though
[03:56] <imbrandon> makes hot days nice
[03:56] <Lathiat> hehe
[03:56] <Lathiat> our data center wasn't so cool last week :/
[03:56] <Lathiat> secondary aircon failure, got a widdle bit warm
[03:57] <Lathiat> not dangerously warm but warmer than i would have liked :P
[03:58] <imbrandon> if ours goes above 72F ( 22C ) alarms start calling everyone in the company, normaly we stay arround 50F on the DC floor, plenty of CRAC's to keep it cool
[03:58] <fabbione> hey Lathiat 
[03:58] <fabbione> Lathiat: finally i see you around
[03:58] <Lathiat> fabbione: hehe, what can i do for you :)
[03:58] <fabbione> Lathiat: nothing really.. i just had to talk to you
[04:24] <Lathiat> Anyone here using cacti on dapper that wants to test some security updates?
[05:01] <Fjodor> Hi fabbione. IIRC, you are situated in Copenhagen. Any chance that you might come to Aarhus at any point in time?
[05:01] <fabbione> Fjodor: i actually might next weekend
[05:01] <fabbione> why?
[05:02] <Fjodor> Just saw your nick and recalled that I offered you a beer for doing the locale work back when dapper was in beta :-)
[05:02] <Fjodor> I think
[05:02] <fabbione> oh
[05:02] <fabbione> ehhe
[05:02] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:02] <fabbione> i will know more during the week.. it depends a lot on how release goes
[05:02] <Fjodor> Yearh. it's scheduled for the 19th, isn't it?
[05:03] <fabbione> basically i need to go to Vejle for one of this confirmation parties on sunday and planned to visit friends in rhus from friday
[05:03] <fabbione> but if we are delayed i might jump on the train on sunday morning and be back sunday evening
[05:04] <Fjodor> Ah. My gf goes to Crete Saturday morning, so I'm basically free from then, so do let me know if you are coming to town
[05:04] <fabbione> Fjodor: sure.. how can i contact you in case?
[05:04] <Nafallo> Fjodor: gf doesn't like beer? or to young? ;-)
[05:04] <Fjodor> sune@molgaard.org
[05:05] <fabbione> Nafallo: there is no such thing as too young in DK
[05:05] <Fjodor> Nafallo: More likely too old. She has prematurely grown over beer...
[05:05] <Nafallo> fabbione: kewl! :-)
[05:05] <Nafallo> Fjodor: :-)
[05:07] <Fjodor> fabbione: Or mobile: +45 20 16 32 95
[05:07] <fabbione> Fjodor: writing down thank
[05:11] <Fjodor> fabbione: And finally_ ICQ is 20952483, MSN Messenger is msn@molgaard.org and jabber is fjodor@jabber.dk
[05:11] <fabbione> it's enough your phone num
[05:11] <fabbione> i won't have inet from where i will be
[05:11] <fabbione> neither my laptop
[05:11] <Fjodor> Fair enough
[05:13] <Fjodor> Oh, if you call instead of texting, do identify yourself as Fabbione from #ubuntu-devel. I have a lousy short-time memory, so I might get confused :-)
[05:14] <fabbione> Fjodor: sure.. ok :)
[05:14] <Fjodor> :-)
[05:15] <fabbione> bbl
[07:27] <saelynh_X-chat> hi there 
[07:28] <saelynh_X-chat> I just want to know if festy will be out next thurday or if will need to be a little be more pacient ?
[07:29] <Mithrandir> saelynh_X-chat: any deviations to the schedule will be announced when they're made.
[07:29] <Mithrandir> or rather, when they're decided.
[07:33] <saelynh_X-chat> oki :)
[07:34] <saelynh_X-chat> thanks Mithrandir
[07:34] <Mithrandir> np
[08:33] <poningru> linux-server: Depends: linux-image-server (= 2.6.20.14.12) but 2.6.20.15.14 is to be installed
[08:33] <poningru> is that intentional?
[08:40] <vandenoever> on edgy, the following command reports an error:
[08:40] <vandenoever> echo hi |valgrind iconv -f ISO-8859-15
[08:40] <vandenoever> but this is ok:
[08:40] <vandenoever> echo hi |valgrind iconv -f ISO-8859-1
[09:03] <Seveas> !bugs | vandenoever 
[09:03] <ubotu> vandenoever: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ IRC is not a good medium to report bugs and this channel is for development coordination.
[09:04] <vandenoever> Seveas: but can you confirm it?
[09:05] <Seveas> vandenoever, I'm no longer running edgy, so I cannot confirm
[09:05] <vandenoever> Seveas: is the problem still there on feisty?
[09:07] <Seveas> ==24311== ERROR SUMMARY: 6 errors from 5 contexts (suppressed: 13 from 1)
[09:08] <vandenoever> Seveas: thanks
[09:08] <vandenoever> i'll note that in the report too
[09:09] <Seveas> vandenoever, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15639/
[09:10] <vandenoever> Seveas: it's identical to mine
[09:37] <BenC> CALL FOR TESTING: We have a new kernel that is supposed to fix regressions in 2.6.20-15.25
[09:37] <BenC> if you could test http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/
[09:38] <BenC> I'd appreciate knowing if it still works as opposed to -15.25
[09:38] <BenC> also, if -15.25 doesn't work for you because of sata_nv or HPA issues, please let me know if it does work for you
[09:38] <BenC> please report success/failure to #ubuntu-kernel, and make sure to note whether -15.25 worked for you prior to this
[09:38] <pitti> famous last words of petunia bowl: Oh no, not again!
[09:39] <BenC> pitti: you have a magical lba28 HPA drive, can you test please? :)
[09:40] <pitti> BenC: sure, will do
[09:40] <BenC> pitti: thanks
[09:40] <pitti> BenC: in about 30 minutes or so, my postgresql testsuite is running ATM
[09:41] <BenC> pitti: No problem, it'll be that long before I can get the upload ready and feel comfortable about uploading it
[09:42] <pitti> BenC: darn, I just completed my very last test case of the 20070414 CDs :)
[09:42] <kylem> BenC, i don't suppose you want to pull in the intel crestline patch + the gatt patch from mainline ubuntu-feisty? ;-P
[09:42] <kylem> otherwise i'll fix it in -security post-release
[09:42] <kylem> doesn't really matter, since it needs userspace bits tho.
[09:43] <Mithrandir> if it doesn't matter, I think it should go in post-release.
[09:43] <BenC> kylem: I would love to, but I think mdz/cjwatson/Mithrandir will shoot me
[09:43] <kylem> k.
[09:43] <kylem> can't blame a guy for trying. ;-)
[09:43] <kylem> bbiab. playoffs.
[09:43] <BenC> collectively I think they have a decent chance of getting one bullet on me, even from the EU :)
[09:43] <Mithrandir> BenC: I would never be so kind as to shoot a coworker if I was angry with them.  I'm much more cruel than that.
[09:43] <BenC> lol
[09:43] <Mithrandir> oh, and .no isn't part of the EU.  It just feels that way.
[09:44] <BenC> .no would do the EU some justice...very nice country
[09:44] <pitti> too bad that we saw so little of it during the sprint
[09:46] <BenC> we did get to see an underground bowling alley, what more do you want? :)
[09:47] <Mithrandir> pitti: if we ever end up having a smaller sprint here we can have it in our cabin up in the mountains.
[09:57] <kylem> Mithrandir, that would be awesome
[10:15] <Kmos> bug 106622
[10:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 106622 in linux-source-2.6.20 "linux-image-2.6.20-15 fails to properly detect and configure EMS USB-II" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106622
[10:17] <Kmos> it gives a patch =)
[10:19] <BenC> mdz, Mithrandir, cjwatson_: I feel comfortable with the current patch fixing things
[10:20] <Mithrandir> BenC: is there anything it doesn't cover?
[10:20] <BenC> I'm going to upload with this patch people.u.c/~bcollins/libata.diff
[10:20] <BenC> Mithrandir: it covers everyone that reported problems related to sata_nv and HPA, so far
[10:20] <Mithrandir> BenC: and do we have a solution to the problem of module parameters not being propagated?
[10:21] <BenC> trejack has a different issue, that seems unrelated to anything we are doing right now, and which I cannot reproduce
[10:21] <pitti> BenC: alright, back from dinner and testsuite finished; you still need me to test that kernel?
[10:21] <BenC> Mithrandir: kyle is working on something for initramfs-tools and modprobe
[10:21] <BenC> pitti: yes, please
[10:21] <pitti> alrighty
[10:22] <BenC> Mithrandir: I'll hold off on an upload for about an hour, just to make sure testing goes well
[10:22] <BenC> but so far so good
[10:22] <Mithrandir> BenC: please just upload it, we can easily reject it if it's broken.
[10:23] <BenC> Mithrandir: ok
[10:23] <BenC> Now, as much as I like spending my b-day with you guys, my wife has a party going on here for me :)
[10:24] <pitti> BenC: ooh, happy birthday!
[10:24] <pitti> BenC: funny that we two have bday on the same day
[10:24] <pitti> probably not in the same year, though :)
[10:24] <BenC> pitti: today is your b-day too?
[10:24] <pitti> yes :)
[10:24] <BenC> sweet, happy b-day :)
[10:24] <BenC> I'm '72
[10:24] <Mithrandir> BenC: enjoy it.
[10:24] <pitti> thanks *smile*
[10:24] <Mithrandir> pitti: congrats.
[10:24] <pitti> BenC: '80
[10:25] <BenC> well, 1972, not 72 years :)
[10:25] <pitti> Mithrandir: thanks
[10:25] <Mithrandir> pitti is a mad youngster, just like me, it seems.
[10:25] <BenC> Mithrandir, mdz, cjwatson_: Uploaded, and afk
[10:25] <pitti> unfortunately neither my gf nor some of my friends are in the city; fortunate for working on the weekend, though :-P
[10:26] <maswan> Mithrandir: speaking of smaller sprints, I'm sure you guys would enjoy Kronlunds too, during winter or summer. :)
[10:26] <Mithrandir> maswan: that's an excellent suggestion.  Does it have some kind of URL with prices and booking info and so on?
[10:27] <Mithrandir> also, do you know about how it is, bandwidth-wise?
[10:27] <maswan> Mithrandir: I will know in one month. :) It was good before the university sold it off anyway.
[10:28] <maswan> Mithrandir: http://www.kronlundkursgard.se/
[10:28] <Kmos> BenC: '72 ? lol..
[10:28] <maswan> Mithrandir: let me dig for prices
[10:29] <kylem> reminded me of home :P
[10:29] <Mithrandir> it's slightly hard to get to ume, that's a downside.
[10:30] <Mithrandir> kylem: I liked .ca a lot, it reminded me of home too. :-)
[10:30] <maswan> Yeah, there are good flights from arlanda, but it is one more hop from the closest international airport
[10:30] <pitti> Mithrandir, BenC, kylem: new kernel 15.26 is happy on my (quoting Ben) 'mad lba28' drive
[10:30] <pitti> [   29.770878]  ata1.00: ata_hpa_resize 1: sectors = 25408559, hpa_sectors = 25410672
[10:30] <pitti> [   29.770885]  ata1.00: Host Protected Area detected.
[10:30] <pitti> [   29.770886]       current size : 25408559 sectors (13009 MB)
[10:30] <pitti> [   29.770888]       native  size : 25410672 sectors (13010 MB)
[10:30] <Mithrandir> pitti: coolie.
[10:31] <Kmos> BenC: it's the year =) lol
[10:31] <Kmos> 35 years old.. happy b'day
[10:31] <Kmos> :)
[10:33] <Mithrandir> maswan: now you made me miss being a student and doing all the crazy stuff we did, including NUCCCs.
[10:33] <maswan> Mithrandir: I got a quote at ~1300 SEK/person from lunch-lunch, including single rooms, hottubs, etc.
[10:33] <Mithrandir> including food too?
[10:33] <maswan> Mithrandir: so about 1k SEK/day including food if you can stand sleeping 4 people in a room.
[10:34] <maswan> yes, that's two lunches, one dinner, one breakfast and two fika
[10:34] <Mithrandir> doesn't sound bad at all then.
[10:34] <maswan> plus a few hundred SEK/day for conference room
[10:35] <kylem> pitti, good to hear.
[10:35] <maswan> Mithrandir: anyway, if you guys are interested, I'm heading there in may, so I can get back to you wrt bandwidth etc. 
[10:36] <maswan> Mithrandir: heh, I haven't quite let go of that world yet, I'm heading to NUCCC in Lund next month. :)
[10:36] <Mithrandir> maswan: I'm not the one doing plannings for sprints, but I could ask about it, sure.
[10:36] <Mithrandir> maswan: lucky you. :-)
[10:37] <maswan> Mithrandir: it's good for up to about 80 people, 100 can probably squeeze in (like we did att NUCCC here)
[10:37] <Mithrandir> yeah, I'd be thinking distro-team sprint or something like that.
[10:37] <Mithrandir> where we're around 20-ish.
[10:41] <maswan> that's about the size of this group too, the swedish academic hpc sysadmins gettogether
[10:45] <tormod> ok, just found https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/
[11:56] <bluefoxicy> hrm what the hell
[11:56] <bluefoxicy> someone try installing seti (you'll get boinc something), then remove it and boinc-client
[11:56] <bluefoxicy> while that's removing (like as soon as you hit apply in synaptic), open System->Administration->Services
[11:56] <bluefoxicy> see if Services and Apt both freeze.
[11:57] <bluefoxicy> services might just break on its own too
[11:57] <bluefoxicy> but it's not as much fun if you don't break Apt too ;)
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> alternately, the boinc-client uninstallation script might just be broken too and I hit both bugs at once :(
[12:01] <phaidros> hi, just read this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/13/AR2007041301610.html
[12:01] <phaidros> is ubuntu kernel already patched for madwifi?
[12:02] <phaidros> seems to be a major bug in madwifi :/
[12:02] <jdong> that sounds like that AP scanning bug from a month ago
[12:03] <phaidros> jdong: it is. 
[12:03] <phaidros> so its done already. 
[12:03] <phaidros> I just found it today :)
[12:03] <jdong> yeah
[12:03] <phaidros> wasn't for a while in #madwifi :)
[12:04] <phaidros> ok, kewl.
[12:04] <phaidros> thanks 
[12:07] <jdong> phaidros: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-404-1
[12:08] <jdong> phaidros: Jan 01
[12:08] <jdong> 09*
[12:09] <phaidros> wow, january .. thats some time ago 
[12:09] <phaidros> hehe, news are late then :)
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> oh man, how do I approach this
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> my hard disk light flashes once a second just about
[12:10] <bluefoxicy> nothing should be causing that