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| phaidros | hi, I'm trying to build my first package. giving my email in changelog, dpkg tries to sign the package. but I run into: gpg: can't connect to `/home/phaidros/.gnome2/seahorse-bRL1iN/S.gpg-agent': connect failed | 12:24 |
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| phaidros | what to do? | 12:24 |
| phaidros | any hints? | 12:26 |
| Fujitsu | phaidros: Agents don't work properly with debuild. | 12:26 |
| phaidros | that would mean to stop seahorse? | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | You'll need to comment out use-agent in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf | 12:27 |
| phaidros | ok | 12:27 |
| phaidros | hm, is that possible as env var? (using seahorse for mail and such) | 12:27 |
| geser | phaidros: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devscripts/+bug/78165 there is a workaround | 12:28 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 78165 in devscripts "debuild fails to use seahorse-agent" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 12:28 |
| phaidros | thanx geser | 12:28 |
| geser | Fujitsu: that's only true for the seahorse agent, I've no problem with gnupg-agent, dpkg-buildpackage and signing (even within a chroot) | 12:29 |
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| Fujitsu | geser: I know that that didn't work for me almost a year ago. | 12:29 |
| geser | seahorse agent or the gnupg-agent? | 12:30 |
| Fujitsu | gnupg-agent | 12:30 |
| geser | perhaps it was fixed in between, I've no problems to do signing with gnupg-agent | 12:33 |
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| phaidros | geser, Fujitsu : with that solution it works with seahorse-agent | 12:37 |
| phaidros | thanx | 12:37 |
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| nixternal | any word on the 2.6.20-15 kernel? is it good? | 01:02 |
| crimsun | topic of ubuntu+1 kthxbye | 01:03 |
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| nixternal | haha, thanks ;p | 01:06 |
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| TheMuso | heh love the topic. | 01:07 |
| jdong | not as good as #ubuntuforums :D | 01:07 |
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| Kaleo | Hi everybody | 01:47 |
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| TheMuso | Hi Kaleo | 01:49 |
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| Kaleo | I am not sure what I should do now for bug 88902 | 01:54 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 88902 in istanbul "sync to upstream to solve some bugs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88902 | 01:54 |
| TheMuso | Kaleo: Unfortunately, its a little late to update to a new upstream version, as we we less than a week to release. | 01:54 |
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| TheMuso | Kaleo: Oh I see. It has been approved. | 01:56 |
| TheMuso | Since it is a sync, all you can do is wait, but I doubt that it will be synced in time for the feisty release, given how busy the core dev team are. | 01:56 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 01:57 |
| TheMuso | Heya bddebian. | 01:57 |
| Kaleo | TheMuso: it's unfortunate but thank you for having taken the time to look at it | 01:57 |
| bddebian | Hi TheMuso | 01:58 |
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| marcin_ant | hi all | 02:19 |
| marcin_ant | is there someone that could help me with dbconfig-common configuration? | 02:19 |
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| TheMuso | marcin_ant: Have you read through the docs? | 02:30 |
| TheMuso | I have found them to be very useful in the past when I have had to work with that package. | 02:30 |
| marcin_ant | TheMuso: I did but could not find answer for pretty simple question | 02:32 |
| TheMuso | Whats your question? | 02:32 |
| marcin_ant | TheMuso: I need to set dbname manually - and I don't know how | 02:32 |
| TheMuso | marcin_ant: Hold on a sec. I am going to look at a package I worked on recently. I think it did it. | 02:33 |
| marcin_ant | TheMuso: it's set to database_default (in postinst scripts) and dbconfig is trying to create it's own name that is in fact package name without '-' | 02:33 |
| TheMuso | marcin_ant: dbc_dbname and dbc_user are the variables you want to work with I think. | 02:34 |
| TheMuso | Thats how the package I worked on does it. | 02:34 |
| marcin_ant | TheMuso: so if my base package is 'something' and I create package 'something-different' then dbconfig is going to create 'somethingdifferent' | 02:34 |
| TheMuso | right | 02:34 |
| marcin_ant | TheMuso: I know variable name | 02:34 |
| TheMuso | marcin_ant: Otherwise, I don't know I am affraid. | 02:35 |
| marcin_ant | TheMuso: what I need is an example where should I input this variable in scripts | 02:35 |
| marcin_ant | TheMuso: to make dbconfig use this variable | 02:35 |
| TheMuso | marcin_ant: Download the drupal source. There is a good example in the debian/drupal-5.1.config file. | 02:35 |
| TheMuso | Thats the package I worked on. | 02:36 |
| TheMuso | And I tested that package heaps when I was putting it together for an update. | 02:36 |
| marcin_ant | TheMuso: just downloaded and now I will try to understand this - thank you | 02:37 |
| pochu | good night folks :) | 02:40 |
| TheMuso | marcin_ant: No problem. | 02:41 |
| harrisony | night | 02:41 |
| marcin_ant | TheMuso: hehe the problem is that I really don't understand this :D | 02:41 |
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| ajmitch | now if I'm lucky, I'll be able to reboot & have a working system still.. | 03:19 |
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| === somerville32 cheers. | ||
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| unix_infidel | hmm, i thought rc1 was supposed to be released yesterday? | 03:46 |
| TheMuso | unix_infidel: There have meen many a kernel problem. | 03:46 |
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| unix_infidel | TheMuso: lol, i guess i'll just have to wait another week. | 03:49 |
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| ScottK | ajmitch: I was wondering if you've had a chance to consider the new clamav yet? Bug #106357 | 04:33 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106357 in clamav "UVFe for clamav 0.90.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106357 | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | re | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, no problems on reboot ? | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: nah it was sweet | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: I looked briefly | 04:39 |
| ScottK | Any thoughts? | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | it looks like something we want | 04:40 |
| ScottK | OK. I put the package together, but I put about as much as I know about packaging into it. | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | yea -14.something broke mine, but i am doing a fresh install now ( needed to test clean upgrades anyhow ) | 04:41 |
| ScottK | If there's stuff that needs to be cleaned up, I won'd feel bad at all if someone takes over. | 04:41 |
| ScottK | I did look in the source and make sure the debian/patches all still made sense. | 04:41 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: Thanks. I'm off to bed now. | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | i finaly got another family member off windows after they upgraded to vista for a few weeks and hated it :) | 04:41 |
| ScottK | Good night everyone. | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | gnight ScottK | 04:42 |
| tonyyarusso | yay imbrandon | 04:42 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: cool | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | cuts my "family support" down tremendously :) | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | now i just need to get them off a few windows apps but they work fine in wine for now | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | i'm tempted to go ahead an upgrade them to feisty now, so i wont have to venture back over here in a few days and upgrade it | 04:44 |
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| imbrandon | close enough to release, and if -15 is in the archives everything should be ok | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | just update your local mirror again | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | yea, it will run in 15 minutes ( every 2 hours ) anyhow | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | it runs on even hours | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | well even hours local time :) | 04:46 |
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| ajmitch | it chews cpu cycles | 04:46 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | i finaly picked up 3 700mhz/256mb ram boxen from work "for testing" here at the house | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | so i have etch on one | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | hehe nice | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | they were old old old old workstations from when the company started | 04:48 |
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| imbrandon | i have etch on one, gnu solaris on the other, and the third i havent loaded yet | 04:48 |
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| jdong | imbrandon: Vista! | 04:50 |
| imbrandon | i'll probably put feisty/ldap/domain controler server for here at the house on the 3rd | 04:51 |
| jdong | oh come on! | 04:51 |
| jdong | :) | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | jdong, my last vista box is going away as we speak | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | becoming feisty | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:51 |
| jdong | :) | 04:51 |
| jdong | I will follow suit.... as soon as I (1) run out of space (2) Stop being lazy | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | well not mine but my mom's :) basicly mine because i have to fix it when it breaks | 04:51 |
| jdong | oh boy if that's how ownership is defined then I'm in a lot of trouble :D | 04:52 |
| imbrandon | my dads still on XP but he will stay on XP till he dies, no converting him, been trying for years | 04:52 |
| imbrandon | my mom dont care as long as it "just works"(tm) | 04:53 |
| jdong | meh sometimes it's too much effort to convert that it's lose-lose :) | 04:54 |
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| imbrandon | yea | 04:54 |
| imbrandon | ok brb rebooting the live cd | 04:54 |
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| unix_infidel | imbrandon: so why not set them up on a VM? | 05:05 |
| unix_infidel | ubuntu as the host, xp as the guest, just in case something doesnt "just work" | 05:05 |
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| ajmitch | nice & slow | 05:10 |
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| jdong | VMWare 6 feels a lot faster | 05:13 |
| jdong | if my wallet were big I'd buy a copy | 05:13 |
| crimsun | your university has a site license. | 05:17 |
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| jdong | crimsun: whoa we do? | 05:19 |
| jdong | nobody told me that :D | 05:19 |
| crimsun | consulted your local vice chancellor of IT/research lately? | 05:20 |
| jdong | no I haven't.... | 05:20 |
| jdong | "MIT has licenses for VMWare. Send an email to software@csail.mit.edu to get a license number. From the vmware screen, choose 'help->Enter Serial Number' to enter the license." | 05:21 |
| jdong | hmm.... | 05:21 |
| lfittl | a little OT, but, does anyone know how to stop a process, and then continue it in a screen session? | 05:21 |
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| imbrandon | re | 05:41 |
| unix_infidel | anyone know what's up with the delayed RC1? | 05:41 |
| jdong | I think the kernel regressions are causing that, no? | 05:41 |
| crimsun | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | unix_infidel,makin sure the kernel actualy boots the system is a good thing | 05:41 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: bullocks, that's icing. | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | :) | 05:42 |
| crimsun | I'm pleased that with the new initramfs, udev, and linux-source, I don't need to pass `break=mount` to the bootloader, though. | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | whats break= do? havent seen that cheatcode yet | 05:43 |
| jdong | I've heard it a few times on the forums... | 05:43 |
| unix_infidel | imbrandon: well is this release delay documented somewhere? | 05:44 |
| crimsun | unix_infidel: I /just/ pasted the URL. | 05:44 |
| imbrandon | unix_infidel, yes, crimsun just gave you a link | 05:44 |
| unix_infidel | spectacular. | 05:45 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: drops to a busybox shell before it mounts / | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | hello crimsun | 05:45 |
| crimsun | allo ajmitch | 05:45 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, ahh | 05:45 |
| jdong | can you also pass in other subsystems to break? | 05:45 |
| jdong | like break=alsa? :D | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: I am rather happy about that as well | 05:45 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: in my instance, hardware was too slow for initramfs/upstart/udev | 05:45 |
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| imbrandon | ahh | 05:46 |
| crimsun | break=jdong | 05:46 |
| jdong | :) | 05:46 |
| ajmitch | for me, it was a combination of the usual lvm & mdadm races with udev, kernel, devmapper | 05:46 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 05:46 |
| jdong | I think that's default though :D | 05:46 |
| imbrandon | for me its fskin network manager on a remote system | 05:46 |
| ajmitch | purge it | 05:46 |
| imbrandon | yea i did that 2 times, i need to blacklist it in the apt conf | 05:47 |
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| guiment | will we get the feisty release candidate this weekend? | 06:24 |
| jdong | guiment: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html | 06:25 |
| jdong | guiment: unknown ETA right now | 06:25 |
| jdong | but everyone's working hard going out of their way to get things done | 06:25 |
| crimsun | colin, kyle, and ben have been troopers | 06:25 |
| guiment | jdong: so we don't know when the rc will be released, but as soon as it is released we know that one week later will get feisty final? | 06:26 |
| jdong | I'm not sure how the cycle will play out; maybe others can answer that | 06:27 |
| crimsun | guiment: I addressed this question some hours ago | 06:27 |
| crimsun | it all depends on RC | 06:27 |
| crimsun | stop drinking at the crack fountain | 06:27 |
| guiment | crimsun: could you pastebin me the log? please..? | 06:30 |
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| TheMuso | cjwatson, BenC and co need a month's break for the work they do. | 06:33 |
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| joejaxx | hello all | 06:41 |
| joejaxx | how is everyone doing? | 06:41 |
| harrisony | good | 06:42 |
| joejaxx | that is good | 06:42 |
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| TheMuso | Hey joejaxx. | 06:43 |
| joejaxx | hello TheMuso | 06:48 |
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| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | hi ajmitch | 07:23 |
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| stgraber | Could any MOTU have a look at bug #85640 when he'll have a moment (easy debdiff ready (two lines) and seems working) | 09:55 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 85640 in cryptsetup "[Feisty] crypted root doesnt mount on start (cryptsetup)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85640 | 09:55 |
| ScottK | stgraber: Care for a non-MOTU comment? | 09:57 |
| stgraber | ScottK: Please | 09:57 |
| ScottK | Normally you put (Closes LP: #85640) at the end of the relevant changelog entry. I think that's the syntax. | 09:58 |
| ScottK | Also when you want it reviewed for upload subscribe (not assign) Ubuntu-Universe-Sponsors to the bug. | 09:58 |
| ScottK | When you do that, put the status back to confirmed. | 09:59 |
| ScottK | You might also put in the comments what you've done to test the fix (particularly this late in the game). | 10:00 |
| ScottK | stgraber: That's it. | 10:00 |
| stgraber | ScottK: Ok, I'll do a quick changelog update | 10:01 |
| ScottK | Depending on who reviews it, some of them care more than others about that. | 10:02 |
| stgraber | (Never had any problem with that even when uploading to main, but who knows :)) | 10:03 |
| StevenK | ScottK: (LP: #xxxxx) | 10:06 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 10:06 |
| ScottK | stgraber: ^^ What he said. | 10:06 |
| stgraber | hmm, I'm going to flood the bug report :) | 10:06 |
| ScottK | Nah. You should look at the bug report on the borked kernel. That was a flooded bug. | 10:07 |
| stgraber | hehe :) | 10:08 |
| stgraber | ok, attached, status reset to confirmed and ubuntu-universe-sponsor is subscribed | 10:10 |
| ScottK | That should at least get it looked at. | 10:11 |
| stgraber | Yep, I hope for those people that it'll be uploaded, but we are coming really close to the final release ... (Personally I don't use that stuff, so ...) :) | 10:12 |
| crimsun | siretart: ping, can you confirm http://librarian.launchpad.net/7211179/bug85640.debdiff is a correct fix? | 10:14 |
| crimsun | (I don't recall immediately who uses cryptsetup...) | 10:14 |
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| siretart | crimsun: I believe that it works, but I didn't have the chance to actually test it | 10:14 |
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| crimsun | RAOF: as an earlier explanation for banshee 0.12.1, both andrew and I have approved the exception here on irc last week | 10:16 |
| RAOF | Ah, ok. | 10:16 |
| RAOF | Once I actually thought about it, I did wonder :) | 10:16 |
| crimsun | siretart: / stgraber: I'm fine with that debdiff if it fixes the issue correctly | 10:17 |
| RAOF | crimsun: Do you still want it, or have you done it yourself? | 10:17 |
| crimsun | RAOF: I have not done it | 10:17 |
| crimsun | RAOF: you mentioned another fix that you wanted to merge, and as I didn't know to which you were referring, it was in my best interest to not do the merge myself | 10:18 |
| RAOF | Ah, it was a trivial fix for bug #99817, but it's in no way important. | 10:19 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 99817 in banshee "[feisty] stop hotkey not working" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99817 | 10:19 |
| crimsun | RAOF: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7297978/lp-99817.debdiff looks fine to me | 10:21 |
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| ajmitch | hm, so we have to decide on clamav 0.90.2 | 10:41 |
| === ajmitch is willing to give it a +1 | ||
| ajmitch | siretart: what do you think? | 10:41 |
| crimsun | I'm fine with a +1, too | 10:41 |
| ajmitch | ok, I got the impression you wanted it in backports instead | 10:42 |
| === ajmitch would prefer a -volatile repository | ||
| crimsun | well, I'm not familiar w/ upstream's release history | 10:42 |
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| lritter | hey there | 10:42 |
| lritter | there is a release soon i heard | 10:42 |
| ScottK | lritter: Yes. | 10:43 |
| lritter | are you guys aware that cd burning with gnomebaker is broken for regular users? ;) | 10:43 |
| ScottK | Do you have a bug number? | 10:43 |
| lritter | i filed a ticket some time ago but there was no reply | 10:43 |
| lritter | yes | 10:43 |
| lritter | sec | 10:43 |
| lritter | 93750 | 10:43 |
| lritter | eek | 10:43 |
| lritter | 75753 | 10:43 |
| lritter | fix already released | 10:44 |
| crimsun | how is clamav's release history? The changes seem a bit large for this late in the cycle, but I'm ok with it if upstream's release history is good. | 10:44 |
| lritter | didn't check my mail | 10:44 |
| lritter | allright :) | 10:44 |
| crimsun | ^ ScottK | 10:44 |
| ScottK | crimsun: I don't know. | 10:44 |
| ScottK | I do know that we aren't carrying any bugfix patches in debian/patches | 10:45 |
| ScottK | They are all config issues and one doc typo. | 10:45 |
| lritter | i suppose i just have to reboot once and then it works ;) | 10:45 |
| ScottK | crimsun: I also wonder about the impact of http://lurker.clamav.net/message/20070413.012951.1d50edff.en.html | 10:46 |
| ScottK | If we are stuck on an unsupported version number, that impacts us even if we SRU the important fixes. | 10:46 |
| ScottK | As I said in the bug, I'm glad I don't have to decide. | 10:47 |
| crimsun | hmph. | 10:47 |
| crimsun | well, I think upstream just trumped my caution. | 10:47 |
| ScottK | In general I think it's lower risk to take a tested bugfix release than to cherrypick when you don't have a lot of time. | 10:48 |
| crimsun | if they're going to disable 0.90.1, I don't think we have any choice. | 10:48 |
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| stgraber | crimsun: Looking at the comments I've received it seems to fix that issue, but as I've already said I'm not a user of that stuff myself. | 10:49 |
| ScottK | Then I'd encourage you to expend the caution on picking over the package as I am not experienced enough to have seen all the potential landmines. | 10:49 |
| crimsun | ScottK: 106357 updated accordingly. | 10:50 |
| ScottK | OK. It's on REVU. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4816 | 10:51 |
| ScottK | I can put my i386 .debs online if that would be helpful? | 10:51 |
| crimsun | working with the source now. | 10:52 |
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| kofler | How would I update a package that's in a repository? For example, I have a local repository that runs a very network specific package in /apt/network/edgy/binary-i386/ | 10:55 |
| ScottK | kofler: Download the source package, modify it, build it, and then install the .deb using dpkg. | 10:55 |
| minghua | you probably want to change the version number as well | 10:56 |
| kofler | No, no, I mean there's an apt-mirror on the network that has it in that location. | 10:56 |
| kofler | I updated the package's source, rebuilt it, etc. | 10:56 |
| kofler | Now how to I update it on the *repository*? | 10:56 |
| ScottK | Ah. Sorry. Misunderstood. | 10:57 |
| kofler | dpkg is very ugly. I prefer apt. | 10:57 |
| ScottK | Sure, but dpkg works if it's not in a repository. | 10:57 |
| RAOF | And apt just ends up using dpkg anyway, unless I'm mistaken. | 10:58 |
| kofler | True, but I rather have it update on the repository so cron-apt takes care of it network-wide. | 10:58 |
| kofler | It does, but it puts it in /var/cache/apt/archives and does other niceties. | 10:58 |
| siretart | apt-ftparchive packages /dev/null | tee Packages | gzip -9 > Packages.gz | 10:59 |
| siretart | perhaps with a '.' between packages and /dev/null | 10:59 |
| kofler | /dev/null ? | 11:00 |
| siretart | if you have an override file, use that | 11:00 |
| kofler | I'll go read up on it though. Thanks for the command. | 11:00 |
| siretart | nearly all (modern) archive management tools use apt-ftparchie as backend | 11:01 |
| ScottK | Just since I could, the .debs for clamav 0.90.2 I made are here http://www.kitterman.com/clamav/ if anyone wants to test. Just i386. Particularly if anyone uses the milter as I don't have a way to really test it. | 11:03 |
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| kofler | Thanks a bunch siretart :) | 11:12 |
| RAOF | Oh, that's awkward. Launchpad's down. crimsun, I've been (trying) to follow MOTU/Merging (that's the right guide, yes?). Once launchpad's back up, can you give it a run over? Or shall I throw something up on REVU? | 11:15 |
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| TheMuso | RAOF: There is stuff on the wiki about merging. | 11:16 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: You mean, wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging? | 11:17 |
| RAOF | Or the wiki.ubuntu.com/Merging MOTU school transcripts? | 11:17 |
| RAOF | Actually, that last bit is probably not an actual MOTU school transcript :) | 11:17 |
| crimsun | ScottK: built debs look fine here. Please update debian/changelog to reflect the UVF exception being granted, and explicitly document the fact in debian/changelog that upstream is disabling support for < 0.90.2 on 16 Apr '07 | 11:18 |
| ScottK | Will do. | 11:18 |
| crimsun | I'm off for a nap; if no one has uploaded in 4 hours, I'll be around | 11:19 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: I can upload it if you'd like. | 11:20 |
| ScottK | TheMuso: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4817 - I did not rebuild the binaries since I just touched the changelog. | 11:32 |
| ScottK | TheMuso: If you are going to upload, I just noticed I left a ")" off my changelog entry. Would you mind fixing it? I can reupload? | 11:33 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: I haven't looked yet, so if you can fix it, that would be great. | 11:34 |
| ScottK | Fixing | 11:34 |
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| jekil | hello | 11:38 |
| ScottK | hello | 11:38 |
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| ScottK | TheMuso: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4818 | 11:42 |
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| TheMuso | ScottK: Looking now. | 11:46 |
| ScottK | Great. | 11:46 |
| TheMuso | Ouch. Big tarball. | 11:47 |
| ScottK | Yep. Mostly virus definitions. | 11:47 |
| TheMuso | Wow. | 11:47 |
| ScottK | Nothing like upstream on a security important application dumping a new release on you at the last moment. | 11:49 |
| TheMuso | Oh yeah. | 11:49 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: So what are they doing exactly? Dropping support for the old version? | 11:50 |
| TheMuso | And is this going to break anything else in the archive? | 11:50 |
| ScottK | They're dropping definition support (at least in part, I'm not sure). | 11:51 |
| TheMuso | ah just read the changelog | 11:51 |
| ScottK | Also there are two cves this fixes. | 11:51 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: So what was changed in the debian/ dir? | 11:51 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 11:51 |
| ScottK | I've tested the new debs with Klamav and Clamsmtp | 11:51 |
| ScottK | Just the changelog | 11:51 |
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| TheMuso | Ok. | 11:52 |
| === TheMuso test builds. | ||
| ScottK | I did look in the source and make sure that the code touched in devian/patches was unchanged. | 11:52 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 11:53 |
| TheMuso | Probably worth getting those patches upstream. | 11:53 |
| ScottK | Except one doc typo they are all config stuff. Our stuff has been sent to Debian. | 11:53 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 11:53 |
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| TheMuso | At least it doesn't take long to build. | 11:59 |
| ScottK | Yes. Most of the bulk is definitions, not code. | 12:00 |
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| TheMuso | As you said. | 12:01 |
| TheMuso | Ok, looks sane. | 12:02 |
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| ScottK | BTW, this excercise is an excellent example of why using a patch system is a very good thing. It made it much easier for someone relatively new like me to update the package for a new upstream release in short order. | 12:04 |
| TheMuso | Yes indeed. | 12:04 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: Uploading now. | 12:05 |
| TheMuso | I have acked on revu and archived. | 12:05 |
| ScottK | Great. Thanks. | 12:05 |
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| ScottK | I'll keep and eye on the bug. | 12:05 |
| TheMuso | Whats the bug number? I'll attach an upload report once I receive it from soyuz. | 12:06 |
| TheMuso | Looks like lp is back up. | 12:07 |
| RAOF | crimsun: When you get back, I've thrown up a merged banshee 0.12.1+dfsg-2ubuntu1 onto REVU, since it doesn't seem that banshee is on merges.ubuntu.com, so I can't follow the merging stuff on the wiki. I'm off for dinner, but I'll be back later if you need/want anything more. | 12:08 |
| ScottK | Bug #106357 | 12:08 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106357 in clamav "UVFe for clamav 0.90.2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106357 | 12:08 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: Thanks | 12:08 |
| ScottK | RAOF: Usually for a merge you attach the debdiff for the new version to the merge request bug. | 12:08 |
| ScottK | np | 12:09 |
| TheMuso | Still uploading... | 12:09 |
| ScottK | Not suprising. | 12:09 |
| Nafallo | RAOF: banshee has the same maintainer in Debian and Ubuntu. you might want to ask slomo before :-9 | 12:09 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 12:09 |
| RAOF | I've kinda assumed that crimsun did that before asking me. Mightn't be a bad idea, though :) | 12:11 |
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| TheMuso | ScottK: Uploaded. | 12:19 |
| ScottK | TheMuso: Thanks. I think I'll go sleep now (It's roughly 6AM here). | 12:20 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: Wow you've been up a long time. | 12:20 |
| TheMuso | Enjoy it. | 12:20 |
| ScottK | TheMuso: Yes, but it seemed important to get done. | 12:21 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. | 12:21 |
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| ScottK | Bug #96090 is ready for UUS review if anyone is there. | 01:00 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 96090 in klamav "[apport] klamav crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96090 | 01:00 |
| ScottK | TheMuso? | 01:00 |
| ScottK | And I'm really going to bed now. | 01:00 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: heh | 01:01 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: I'm on it. | 01:01 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 01:01 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: Tested I assume? | 01:02 |
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| damko | ciao! | 02:32 |
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| damko | pastebin doesn't work?? | 02:47 |
| damko | Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145) | 02:47 |
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| damko | is there another site like pastebin? | 02:48 |
| TomaszD | http://wklej.org | 02:48 |
| damko | thanks! | 02:48 |
| TomaszD | np | 02:48 |
| damko | for bash guru and for fun: how do u solve this problem? http://wklej.org/id/f8284bd2a1 | 02:49 |
| ajmitch | nest them | 02:50 |
| damko | ajmitch: how ? | 02:50 |
| ajmitch | $(expr $(sfdisk -s $2) / 1024) | 02:50 |
| ajmitch | or similar | 02:50 |
| ajmitch | ` doesn't nest like $() does | 02:51 |
| damko | ah thanks for the tip. i try | 02:51 |
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| damko | ajmitch: wow .. then it means that b=$(sfdisk -s /dev/sdb) it's equal to b=`sfdisk -s /dev/sdb`, right? very nice. it works. thanks | 02:54 |
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| cbx33 | hey all any gsoc mentors around | 03:50 |
| === ajmitch is not, sorry | ||
| ajmitch | night all | 03:53 |
| joejaxx | Good Night ajmitch | 03:59 |
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| Lathiat | anyone here using cacti on dapper? | 04:07 |
| Lathiat | i've attempted to basically copy debian sids update to 0.8.6i onto 0.8.6h in dapper to fix the security issues | 04:08 |
| Lathiat | and was hoping for some testing | 04:08 |
| Lathiat | seems to work here | 04:08 |
| StevenK | Lathiat: As in Debian's patch applies fine to the 0.8.6h in Dapper? | 04:08 |
| Lathiat | it seems to | 04:08 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 04:08 |
| Lathiat | heh | 04:09 |
| Lathiat | or not | 04:09 |
| StevenK | Heh | 04:09 |
| Lathiat | i didnt' save 00list | 04:09 |
| Lathiat | hrm almost applies | 04:09 |
| Lathiat | i'll fix this patch | 04:09 |
| Lathiat | i've had 2 of my machines hacked by this bug because i was lazy and a mates as well so i figured i might try update the packages | 04:10 |
| StevenK | Lathiat: If it works for you and someone else, talk to pitti or keescook about it. | 04:10 |
| Lathiat | StevenK: ya this is why i was asking if anyone wanted to test it ;) | 04:10 |
| Lathiat | ok i got it working now | 04:23 |
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| jrib | hi, does motu want to be assigned to needs-packaging bugs? The email to the bug list didn't mention it, but I see a few needs-packaging bugs assigned to motu | 04:45 |
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| jekil | if I submit a deb to revu now, i must set changelog to feisty or feisty+1? feisty+1 right? | 05:26 |
| Nafallo | it has a name you know... gutsy :-) | 05:27 |
| Nafallo | but I don't know the answer anyway :-P | 05:27 |
| jekil | i think gutsy because now feisty are in freeze.. | 05:29 |
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| jdong | Nafallo: gushy :) | 05:42 |
| jdong | Nafallo: see #ubuntuforums topic :) | 05:42 |
| Nafallo | I don't use forums! :-) | 05:43 |
| jdong | Nafallo: just read the topic :) | 05:43 |
| Nafallo | I'm lazy :-) | 05:43 |
| jdong | || Next release Gushy Giblets! | 05:43 |
| Nafallo | hmm. they are wrong. they should sign up on mailinglist. the TRUE informationsource ;-) | 05:44 |
| jdong | lol | 05:44 |
| jdong | and you get great pill deals too! | 05:44 |
| jdong | ;-) | 05:44 |
| Nafallo | haha | 05:44 |
| Nafallo | my bogofilter makes me not see those :-P | 05:44 |
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| ScottK | jrib: No. Don't assign them to MOTU. MOTU approves new packages, but doesn't necessarily do the packaging. | 05:59 |
| jrib | ScottK: thanks | 06:00 |
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| ScottK | TheMuso: Thanks for taking care of the klamav update. | 06:02 |
| jekil | so, i must set gutsy in changelog? | 06:06 |
| pochu | jekil: yep | 06:07 |
| jekil | pochu: thanks | 06:07 |
| pochu | jekil: because it won't be accepted in Feisty :) | 06:08 |
| pochu | Too late ;) | 06:08 |
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| _MMA_ | Could someone close Bug #106560 for me. GIMP 2.3 isnt in the repos. | 06:54 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106560 in ubuntustudio-meta "ubuntustudio-graphics needs gimp-svg v2.2.x! (Doesnt work with gimp v2.3.x))" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106560 | 06:54 |
| joejaxx | is that what the rejected status is for? | 06:55 |
| ScottK | I got it. | 06:55 |
| _MMA_ | Thanx | 06:56 |
| ScottK | Done. Bug #106560 | 06:59 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106560 in ubuntustudio-meta "ubuntustudio-graphics needs gimp-svg v2.2.x! (Doesnt work with gimp v2.3.x))" [Undecided,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106560 | 06:59 |
| _MMA_ | ScottK: Im sorry. I thought you had to be MOTU to do it. I could have handled it. :) | 06:59 |
| _MMA_ | Thanx though. :) | 06:59 |
| ScottK | Now you know. The only thing you can't do without being MOTU, core-dev, or ubuntu-qa is set importance. | 07:00 |
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| _MMA_ | Ahh... Gotcha. | 07:00 |
| === ScottK joined ubuntu-qa for that reason (much easier than getting MOTU). | ||
| joejaxx | gnomefreak: maybe so | 07:00 |
| joejaxx | gnomefreak: but ubuntustudio-meta only exists in feisty | 07:00 |
| gnomefreak | but i am thinking its 2.2.13 | 07:00 |
| _MMA_ | gnomefreak: I dint know. I use gimp-svg from the repos just fine here. :( | 07:01 |
| gnomefreak | so im not real sure | 07:01 |
| joejaxx | _MMA_: same here | 07:01 |
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| ScottK | gnomefreak: We'll find out if he replies to the bug I guess. TheGimp 2.1 was never in the Ubuntu repos, so either way, it's rejected. | 07:01 |
| gnomefreak | true | 07:01 |
| _MMA_ | Shouldnt have been filed against "ubuntustudio-graphics" anyway. ;) | 07:02 |
| gnomefreak | there seems to be a 2.3 in devel in gimp | 07:02 |
| damko | bye! wish u all a good w.e. | 07:03 |
| gnomefreak | damko: you too | 07:03 |
| ScottK | Heh! - http://www.computerpartner.nl/article.php?news=int&id=5003 "Microsoft: Word 2007 crashes are a feature, not bug" | 07:03 |
| xtknight | lol | 07:03 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 07:04 |
| xtknight | see this? http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03020.pdf | 07:04 |
| damko | :-) | 07:04 |
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| syke | hi | 07:10 |
| ScottK | Hello | 07:10 |
| syke | how do I request a package to be updated for feisty? | 07:10 |
| syke | monodevelop 0.12 is what installs, but 0.13.1 is the first one that is really usable | 07:10 |
| gnomefreak | file a bug on it. | 07:11 |
| gnomefreak | is .13 stable? | 07:11 |
| ScottK | syke: But Feisty gets released in roughly a week, so it's extremely unlikely a new version gets brought in. | 07:11 |
| gnomefreak | oh he said feisty :( | 07:12 |
| syke | 0.13 is the only monodevelop version I have used that didn't crash within 10 minutes of usage | 07:12 |
| gnomefreak | feisty wont get anything now | 07:12 |
| ScottK | If there are specific bugs it fixes, someone (maybe you) might extract patches to fix the current one. | 07:12 |
| xtknight | could an updated pkg come thru the updates? | 07:13 |
| syke | specific patches aren't really possible, I don't think | 07:13 |
| xtknight | or only backported bugfixes to the current revision? | 07:13 |
| syke | if updating isn't a possibility, I would really just remove the pkg | 07:13 |
| jdong | syke: it's not going to happen in Feisty sadly.... | 07:13 |
| jdong | syke: 0.13 requires newer stetic and friends, and I've been watching it go into Debian.... | 07:14 |
| jdong | syke: 0.12 in the repos don't crash for me, and I use it regularly... | 07:14 |
| jdong | if you want 0.13 packages I think I have some | 07:14 |
| syke | jdong: if they're on a public URL, that would be nice | 07:14 |
| syke | I'm working on a book, pragmatic unit testing in C#, and I'm trying to make sure the code/examples in it works in all these environments | 07:15 |
| syke | we use a couple of screenshots of nunit-gui running in KUbuntu | 07:15 |
| jdong | syke: uploading, http://web.mit.edu/jdong/www/md/ | 07:15 |
| syke | we mention monodevelop 0.13 because it adds an integrated unit test runner | 07:15 |
| gnomefreak | why not just doa simple build to make life easy if the book isnt ubuntu specific | 07:15 |
| jdong | done. | 07:15 |
| jdong | gnomefreak: heh it's not as trivial a build as we'd like it to be | 07:16 |
| syke | yea, it's a big pain in the balls to build :( | 07:16 |
| syke | so many dependencies | 07:16 |
| jdong | syke: yeah but the debs I posted I've been using since 0.13.1's release... they're based off Ubuntu debs | 07:16 |
| jdong | and should be pretty safe to use | 07:16 |
| jdong | but the usual 3rd party unsupported package warning goes along with them ;-) | 07:16 |
| syke | great, that's better than nothing :) | 07:16 |
| syke | just trying to make sure the readers of the book can have a smooth experience with Linux :) | 07:17 |
| jdong | 0.13 also adds better code completion too | 07:17 |
| jdong | and partial class support | 07:17 |
| jdong | for the UI editor that is | 07:17 |
| syke | and, like I say, it doesn't crash nearly as much for me | 07:17 |
| jdong | well I'll attempt to backport it to Feisty once Gushy Giblets or whatever opens | 07:17 |
| syke | haw | 07:18 |
| syke | :) | 07:18 |
| jdong | :) | 07:18 |
| syke | the other package I had a question about was NUnit itself; I suppose there's no chance of updating that to 2.4, is there? | 07:18 |
| jdong | haven't looked into that | 07:18 |
| jdong | but Feisty, it's too late to update anything at this time | 07:19 |
| syke | I also noticed that even when the current NUnit package is installed, most configure scripts look for a mono-nunit.pc, and the current NUnit pkg only installs an nunit.pc | 07:19 |
| syke | ok, that's too bad for monodevelop :/ I'll add a general note about making sure to have the latest versions or downlaod them separately | 07:20 |
| jdong | slomo is the monodevelop guy around here; he will be thrilled to dicuss this with you :D | 07:20 |
| jdong | lol | 07:20 |
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| syke | must be a private joke I'm missing out on :) | 07:20 |
| DktrKranz | could you clarify me about packages inserted into REJECTED queue? | 07:20 |
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| syke | need to reboot to try this updated kernel and kdelibs, I'm having some issues with knetworkmanager that it will hopefully fix | 07:21 |
| syke | jdong: thanks for the info! :) | 07:21 |
| DktrKranz | recently \sh uploaded for me tutos2 package | 07:23 |
| DktrKranz | but I noticed it was inserted into REJECTED queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=tutos2 | 07:24 |
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| DktrKranz | is there something to do in these cases? | 07:24 |
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| ScottK | You need to ask one of the archive admins or maybe ask the MOTU that approved it to ask. | 07:30 |
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| ScottK | When that happened to me, Tollef e-mailed my why. | 07:30 |
| ScottK | They're possibly busy at the moment, so I'd ask the MOTU that uploaded it to ask. | 07:31 |
| DktrKranz | will do, thanks. | 07:31 |
| penguin42 | would it be possible to get gnucash (in universe) updated to the latest release - is the right thing to put a bug in for that? | 07:32 |
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| ScottK | penguin42: Not now. | 07:35 |
| ScottK | Not for Feisty | 07:35 |
| penguin42 | sure I realise that's too late | 07:35 |
| penguin42 | but just to get it on the radar that it needs getting done | 07:36 |
| ScottK | Once the repositories open for the next release, it should just happen. | 07:36 |
| penguin42 | oh ok - the version in there is about 6 months old | 07:36 |
| === penguin42 has a small intermittent rendering issue on it and I guess the devs will just ask if it happens on the latest | ||
| ScottK | Actually, there is an Ubuntu specific variant, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash so it will have to be merged. It won't be automatic. | 07:37 |
| ScottK | penguin42: Maybe you could work on it in a few weeks? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging we can always use more help. | 07:39 |
| penguin42 | ScottK: I wouldn't mind doing - but I've got about 3 or 4 geeky other projects I havn't got around to either :-( | 07:39 |
| penguin42 | what do you mean by 'ubuntu specific varient' - I suspect gnucash doesn't actually have stuff for debs in it at all | 07:40 |
| ScottK | Right, but the Ubuntu version is modified from what we get from Debian. | 07:40 |
| penguin42 | ah ok | 07:40 |
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| ScottK | Put it on your TODO for about a month from now. | 07:40 |
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| penguin42 | Ah Debian have the latest version packaged - I'll try building it from their package and see how it goes | 07:42 |
| penguin42 | ScottK: Is it easy to see why we have an ubuntu specific version? | 07:42 |
| ScottK | penguin42: Yes. Download the source package (apt-get source gnucash) and look in debian/changelog | 07:43 |
| ScottK | It should explain the differences. | 07:43 |
| penguin42 | actually they've got the latest in etch | 07:44 |
| ScottK | One thing to look at is is the Ubuntu version still required. If Debian has made changes that make the Ubuntu specific stuff OBE, then it can be synched. | 07:45 |
| ScottK | Merges have to be done manually, so they don't always get done regularly. Remember that MOTU is all volunteer. | 07:45 |
| penguin42 | nod | 07:45 |
| ScottK | If you have the technical ability (and it sounds like you do) there is one easy way to make sure the Ubuntu gnucash stays up to date... | 07:46 |
| penguin42 | Hmm according to the changelog there is a tiny build dependency difference (libgoffice-0-dev instead of libgoffice-1-dev) | 07:46 |
| ScottK | Look at sid though, not etch. | 07:48 |
| ScottK | By the time you are ready to merge it, sid will probably have changed. | 07:49 |
| penguin42 | ScottK: What I don't have is the knowledge of the ways of the packaging rules and how to package stuff properly | 07:49 |
| ScottK | People here will help you learn that. | 07:49 |
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| penguin42 | hmph - let me try the obvious thing first, I'll just have a quick look if the debian package builds and runs ok | 07:49 |
| ScottK | That's a good one. | 07:50 |
| === ScottK expects you'll find the library is the wrong version. | ||
| ScottK | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is a good place to start. | 07:51 |
| ScottK | Of course you could make the build-dep change and then it would probably build. Look in debian/control in the source package. | 07:51 |
| penguin42 | so do you guys have any tools that keep an eye on debian version updates? | 07:52 |
| mr_pouit | penguin42: you can use this page: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html | 07:53 |
| ScottK | There is also http://merges.ubuntu.com/ and http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | penguin42, if your wanting to make a custom list look into mdt | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | ( mdt == multi distro tools ) made just for that | 07:55 |
| penguin42 | hmm it seems you and debian have a gentle disagreement of the naming of libgoffice-?-dev | 07:55 |
| === ScottK doesn't know why | ||
| ScottK | penguin42: Who uses which? | 07:57 |
| ScottK | It is not rare for Ubuntu to jump to a newer infrastructure sooner. | 07:57 |
| ScottK | For example, Python 2.5 is the default Python in Feisty and it's not yet supported in Sid. | 07:58 |
| penguin42 | well they have a libgoffice-1-dev (0.2.1-4) and we have a libgoffice-0-dev (0.3.7-0ubuntu1) | 07:58 |
| ScottK | Ah. I've no idea why. | 07:58 |
| penguin42 | that one is a little nuts - the build dependency naming is the only thing that is stopping it being up to date | 08:00 |
| penguin42 | hmm is there anything to tell apt to install all the packages this dsc it needs as build dependencies | 08:00 |
| imbrandon | sudo apt-get build-dep <package> ? | 08:01 |
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| penguin42 | hmm it won't actually take it from the dsc - still it will get me what I need | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | pbuilder-satisfydepends will get from the dsc | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | depends on how you want to do it | 08:02 |
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| penguin42 | ScottK: OK, now I'm confused - off the merges page of that package list page is one for gnucash and it shows a merge for the latest version | 08:14 |
| ScottK | Yes, but no one ever got around to submitting it. | 08:15 |
| ScottK | Those are drafts that someone has to actually work through. | 08:15 |
| penguin42 | ah - is it automatic? | 08:15 |
| ScottK | Getting to the draft is automatic. | 08:16 |
| ScottK | From there a live volunteer has to look it over and verify it. | 08:16 |
| ScottK | It gets particularly interesting when Debian and Ubuntu has specific changes. | 08:16 |
| ScottK | err uh conflicting changes | 08:16 |
| penguin42 | ah food calls - the build should be finished by the time I've eaten | 08:17 |
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| geser | Hi bddebian | 08:38 |
| ScottK | Hello bddebian (you youngster). | 08:39 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 08:39 |
| bddebian | Hi geser, ScottK ( :-) ) | 08:39 |
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| penguin42 | well the gnucash seems to run fine from the debian 2.0.5 with teh build dependency tweaked | 09:07 |
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| ScottK | penguin42: Then once the repositories open for graceful gibbon, you ought to file a merge request. | 09:13 |
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| penguin42 | ScottK: How does one file a merge request? | 09:14 |
| ScottK | penguin42: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging | 09:15 |
| ScottK | penguin42: Note that this is a relatively easy thing to do that MOTU never has enough people to keep up, so it's a REALLY great way to contribute. | 09:16 |
| penguin42 | so I can see the bit about submitting a bug on it - is that it or is there something else? | 09:19 |
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| ScottK | No. That's pretty much it. You make sure you got the package right (check the changes, build it, test it a bit), make a debdiff, and file the merge bug with the dediff attached. A MOTU will review/approve. Once it's approved, you just mark it fix released after the update builds in the repositories. | 09:22 |
| ScottK | Given what you've just done, you know most everything you need to know to start doing simple merges for gutsy. | 09:23 |
| ScottK | In cases where we have a fix that Debian doesn't it's good to file a bug in the Debian BTS so they can get it. The Ubuntu goal is to minimize diff with Debian. | 09:23 |
| penguin42 | nod - are the debian guys pulling stuff back into their worlds as well? | 09:24 |
| ScottK | They don't usually come here and look. Some will take Ubuntu patches, some won't if they are BTS. | 09:24 |
| penguin42 | if there is no diff needed - i.e. the automerge has done the right thing do I just point the bug at that? Is there anything that can go away and check it builds on all the arches? | 09:25 |
| ScottK | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/ | 09:25 |
| ScottK | If there is no diff, it's a sync not a merge. | 09:25 |
| ScottK | Those are automatic up to a point and then they have to be requested. | 09:25 |
| penguin42 | there is a diff - but the automerge thing seems to have taken the diff from last time | 09:26 |
| geser | penguin42: MoM doesn't add a correct changelog entry (listing the remaining changes) so need to edit it and then debdiff | 09:26 |
| ScottK | Right. MoM guesses and then you have to make sure. | 09:26 |
| === bluefoxicy meh. Guesses nobody in Debian updated Stratagus + Invasion: BOS, so Ubuntu has old, half-complete versions :/ | ||
| ScottK | See Debian import freeze on the schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | 09:26 |
| penguin42 | geser: Ah OK - pity really | 09:27 |
| bluefoxicy | I blame ISV and compatibility | 09:27 |
| ScottK | bluefoxicy: If it gets to old and Debian isn't keeping up, you can package the update and submit it to REVU. | 09:27 |
| bluefoxicy | ScottK: Yeah. I'm more concerned that things like autopackage et al are hackey.. actually, autopackage works pretty well o.o hmm | 09:28 |
| ScottK | penguin42: Personally, I'm impressed how well the MoM does, but would be petrified of taking the human out of the loop entirely. | 09:28 |
| === bluefoxicy wants point-and-click one-stop install for third party software, regardless of distro. Goes wandering to see if he can find it. | ||
| geser | penguin42: sometimes it happens that a fix is included a second time because the patch file got an other name or Debian included a patch at an other line in a file | 09:28 |
| ScottK | Also now that Etch is released, more emphasis will go into Sid. | 09:28 |
| ScottK | bluefoxicy: Click N Run is supposed to be coming to Ubuntu 'real soon now". | 09:29 |
| penguin42 | ScottK: Nod, if you take the human out of the loop the systems might start writing their own code | 09:29 |
| ScottK | And do it badly. | 09:29 |
| bluefoxicy | ScottK: that's a centralized database, like Apt2 or something. | 09:29 |
| penguin42 | it looks like the gnucash update in debian missed the freeze for feisty by about 3 days - bah! | 09:29 |
| ScottK | Gnucash would have had to be merged in any case so wouldn't have been automatic. | 09:30 |
| bluefoxicy | ScottK: I want something where I can grab what I want from wherever, like Autopackage; but I'm not wholly convinced that Linux can handle backwards compatibility (try running Citrix once, if you install libxaw6 it doesn't work because libxaw6 doesn't have a symbol it needs) | 09:30 |
| === ScottK has never seen a auto packager that could get it right consistently - the box doesn't have enough data. | ||
| penguin42 | so if I come back this time next week and file the bug it should be OK? | 09:31 |
| ScottK | No. Wait until the gutsy repositories open. | 09:32 |
| penguin42 | when is that due? | 09:32 |
| ScottK | I thin it's roughly April 29. | 09:32 |
| ScottK | thin/think | 09:32 |
| ScottK | Then if you want, after it's in gutsy you can file for a backport into Feisty. | 09:32 |
| penguin42 | but then do I have to go and gab gutsy tools and stuff? | 09:33 |
| ScottK | Not immediately. | 09:33 |
| penguin42 | ok | 09:33 |
| bluefoxicy | ScottK: CITRIX needs libxaw6 (not 5, not 7); but xaw6 doesn't have all the symbols (because the idiot programmers don't understand you're supposed to upgrade the ELF major version when you break the ABI); this seems to be a pretty chronic problem, programs just eventually don't work any more because the libraries are different somewhere along the line. Most libs seem to get ELF versioning right these days (GTK+ is a model e | 09:33 |
| bluefoxicy | xample) but meh. | 09:33 |
| bluefoxicy | I suspect that autopackagers like autopackage will always hit that hurdle | 09:33 |
| penguin42 | has their been any thought ever to building stuff in later distros with loose enough dependencies to still work on older ones? | 09:33 |
| penguin42 | you'd think a lot of packages would work on multiple versions | 09:34 |
| ScottK | Yes, but the binaries need to be built with the correct environment for that version. | 09:34 |
| penguin42 | do thehy? | 09:34 |
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| ScottK | So you don't upversion dependencies unless you need to and then you can use the backports system for stuff that qualifies. | 09:35 |
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| ScottK | penguin42: Yes. Usually it's OK, but sometimes you get burned. | 09:35 |
| ScottK | For your own use, it's probably OK, but for the distro as a whole, not. | 09:35 |
| penguin42 | ScottK: I was thinking just applying it to packages that are OK | 09:35 |
| ScottK | There's no way to know. | 09:35 |
| ScottK | Keep the source as common as you can and then build in the correct environment is the only way to do it. | 09:36 |
| bluefoxicy | hmm | 09:36 |
| penguin42 | going in the forward direction should work shouldn't it - I mean building newer packages on feisty and then using those also in feisty+1 say | 09:36 |
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| ScottK | It's discussed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth | 09:37 |
| bluefoxicy | something that will build a thin compatibility layer around new versions of libraries | 09:37 |
| ScottK | penguin42: Depends on if some library had removed some aspect of an API. | 09:37 |
| bluefoxicy | nah that would be a pain | 09:37 |
| penguin42 | ScottK: But then they should bump their major version or disembowel their authors | 09:39 |
| ScottK | Yep. That's the theory. | 09:39 |
| === penguin42 was just looking for ways to keep the load down | ||
| vil | imbrandon, ping | 09:40 |
| ScottK | Work in the process and get your stuff into the Ubuntu repositories and then it's Canonical's problem. That keeps YOUR load down. | 09:40 |
| penguin42 | so what builds the universe - is their a build farm that checks it builds on SPARC say? | 09:40 |
| penguin42 | nod - just trying to understand how the universe goes together | 09:41 |
| ScottK | See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klamav/0.41-0ubuntu1 - It shows you which archs Ubuntu builds. | 09:41 |
| ScottK | As an example. | 09:41 |
| ScottK | Universe and Main use the same toolset for this. | 09:42 |
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| penguin42 | hmm nice build system | 09:44 |
| penguin42 | right, I'll try and remember to keep an eye on it and come back in a couple of weeks and file the stuff on gnucash | 09:44 |
| penguin42 | thanks | 09:44 |
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| danohuiginn | apt-get build-dep is telling me "build dependencies could not be satisfied". How can I get it to tell me *which* build-deps are the problem? | 10:03 |
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| ScottK | danohuiginn: The error message should tell you. Read closely. | 10:04 |
| danohuiginn | ScottK: it doesn't seem to. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15654/ | 10:07 |
| === ScottK lloks | ||
| ScottK | looks | 10:07 |
| ScottK | Ah. It's pbuilder that will tell you which. Try and build the package and dpkg-buildpackage will bail out and tell you which. | 10:08 |
| ScottK | Sorry about that. | 10:08 |
| danohuiginn | ok, thanks | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | vil, pong | 10:18 |
| geser | danohuiginn: I can't reproduce it here | 10:18 |
| vil | imbrandon, again question regrarding ubuntuwire | 10:18 |
| imbrandon | sure, shoot | 10:19 |
| vil | there is supposed to be a problem with eclipse on sparc64, however, I don't have a way to test it | 10:19 |
| vil | imbrandon, do you thing that you could install the latest eclipse on sparky? | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | sparky is spark64 kernel iirc | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | i would much rather you do it in a chroot | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | than install it on the main box | 10:20 |
| vil | imbrandon, that's fine | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | vil, e.g. pbuilder-feisty login | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | then install from there | 10:21 |
| danohuiginn | geser: I got it sorted, thanks. It was tangled up in alternatives | 10:21 |
| vil | imbrandon, I will look at what is pbuilder login good for | 10:21 |
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| imbrandon | vil, "pbuilder-feisty login" will give you a clean chroot that you can install it in, then when you "exit" it cleans it all up | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | and sets it back to default | 10:22 |
| vil | imbrandon, thanks again for your kind help | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | np | 10:23 |
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| TheMuso | ScottK: You're welcome. | 11:28 |
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| grayman | is there a problem with xkbd in Feisty? | 11:32 |
| grayman | xkb | 11:35 |
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| marseillai_ | hi | 11:37 |
| marseillai_ | does anyone know where I can find a complete howto to create package from scratch using cdbs in the "ubuntu" way? | 11:38 |
| macd | marseillai_, http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Deb_Guide isnt a bad start | 11:39 |
| jekil | marseillai_: is hard to find good cdbs documentation | 11:40 |
| macd | nvm, I didnt read what you said. | 11:40 |
| marseillai_ | jekil: arf | 11:40 |
| jussi01 | marseillai_, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-cdbs.html | 11:41 |
| damko | marseillai_: I made my first package 1 day ago and I found very useful yada to understand the mechanism to create a package. may be it's usefull also for u | 11:41 |
| marseillai_ | jekil: assuming i want to make a clean package of an application (i've allready done one this afternoon : i've patch kopete, make debdiff and a deb) but from scratch, can i find some help here to teach me how to do with cdbs/pbuilder and else ??? | 11:42 |
| jussi01 | marseillai_, see the link i gave you | 11:42 |
| marseillai_ | jussi01: it's pretty.... empty ..... | 11:42 |
| jekil | marseillai_: read links above and google | 11:42 |
| jussi01 | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html | 11:43 |
| jussi01 | also that | 11:43 |
| mr_pouit | marseillai_: for cdbs, you can also read https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml | 11:43 |
| marseillai_ | mr_pouit: dja lu, un peu perdu | 11:43 |
| jussi01 | marseillai_, on that first link was a link to more stuff | 11:43 |
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| marseillai_ | macd: does this doc is about cdbs or debhelper : http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Deb_Guide ? or perhaps debhelper and cdbs are the same things ? | 11:47 |
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| jekil | marseillai_: are 2 things... | 11:48 |
| jekil | i think that you must understend well this before use it | 11:49 |
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| marseillai_ | thanks jekil macd and jussi01 | 11:52 |
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