=== umarmung [n=holger@p54AA27D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === devin_ [n=devin@DKELLY.RES.WPI.NET] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] hi, I'm trying to build my first package. giving my email in changelog, dpkg tries to sign the package. but I run into: gpg: can't connect to `/home/phaidros/.gnome2/seahorse-bRL1iN/S.gpg-agent': connect failed [12:24] what to do? [12:26] any hints? [12:26] phaidros: Agents don't work properly with debuild. [12:27] that would mean to stop seahorse? [12:27] You'll need to comment out use-agent in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf [12:27] ok [12:27] hm, is that possible as env var? (using seahorse for mail and such) [12:28] phaidros: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devscripts/+bug/78165 there is a workaround [12:28] Malone bug 78165 in devscripts "debuild fails to use seahorse-agent" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:28] thanx geser [12:29] Fujitsu: that's only true for the seahorse agent, I've no problem with gnupg-agent, dpkg-buildpackage and signing (even within a chroot) === jdong_ [n=jdong@STRATTON-SIX-SIXTY-FOUR.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] geser: I know that that didn't work for me almost a year ago. [12:30] seahorse agent or the gnupg-agent? [12:30] gnupg-agent [12:33] perhaps it was fixed in between, I've no problems to do signing with gnupg-agent === umarmung_ [n=holger@p54AA3D2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] geser, Fujitsu : with that solution it works with seahorse-agent [12:37] thanx === madc [n=d@adsl-156-75-197.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@unaffiliated/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] any word on the 2.6.20-15 kernel? is it good? [01:03] topic of ubuntu+1 kthxbye === twanj_ [n=chatzill@nc-71-50-159-222.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj_ is now known as twanj [01:06] haha, thanks ;p === jdong__ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-FIVE-EIGHTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] heh love the topic. [01:07] not as good as #ubuntuforums :D === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-FIVE-EIGHTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan_ [n=dan@h-69-3-235-237.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === damko [n=damko@host177-31-static.106-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Kaleo [i=boucault@arkana.iiens.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] Hi everybody === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] Hi Kaleo === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] I am not sure what I should do now for bug 88902 [01:54] Malone bug 88902 in istanbul "sync to upstream to solve some bugs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88902 [01:54] Kaleo: Unfortunately, its a little late to update to a new upstream version, as we we less than a week to release. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] Kaleo: Oh I see. It has been approved. [01:56] Since it is a sync, all you can do is wait, but I doubt that it will be synced in time for the feisty release, given how busy the core dev team are. [01:57] Heya gang [01:57] Heya bddebian. [01:57] TheMuso: it's unfortunate but thank you for having taken the time to look at it [01:58] Hi TheMuso === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] hi all [02:19] is there someone that could help me with dbconfig-common configuration? === harrisony [n=harrison@unaffiliated/harrisony] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan__ [n=dan@h-69-3-235-237.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] marcin_ant: Have you read through the docs? [02:30] I have found them to be very useful in the past when I have had to work with that package. [02:32] TheMuso: I did but could not find answer for pretty simple question [02:32] Whats your question? [02:32] TheMuso: I need to set dbname manually - and I don't know how [02:33] marcin_ant: Hold on a sec. I am going to look at a package I worked on recently. I think it did it. [02:33] TheMuso: it's set to database_default (in postinst scripts) and dbconfig is trying to create it's own name that is in fact package name without '-' [02:34] marcin_ant: dbc_dbname and dbc_user are the variables you want to work with I think. [02:34] Thats how the package I worked on does it. [02:34] TheMuso: so if my base package is 'something' and I create package 'something-different' then dbconfig is going to create 'somethingdifferent' [02:34] right [02:34] TheMuso: I know variable name [02:35] marcin_ant: Otherwise, I don't know I am affraid. [02:35] TheMuso: what I need is an example where should I input this variable in scripts [02:35] TheMuso: to make dbconfig use this variable [02:35] marcin_ant: Download the drupal source. There is a good example in the debian/drupal-5.1.config file. [02:36] Thats the package I worked on. [02:36] And I tested that package heaps when I was putting it together for an update. [02:37] TheMuso: just downloaded and now I will try to understand this - thank you [02:40] good night folks :) [02:41] marcin_ant: No problem. [02:41] night [02:41] TheMuso: hehe the problem is that I really don't understand this :D === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rj_ [n=rj@static.shadowbots.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rj_ [n=rj@static.shadowbots.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === arejay [n=rj@unaffiliated/rj-] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jason [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] now if I'm lucky, I'll be able to reboot & have a working system still.. === rj_ [n=rj@static.shadowbots.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash__ [n=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 cheers. === arejay [n=rj@unaffiliated/rj-] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC [n=IanC@gipp-p-144-139-165-44.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === unix_infidel [n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] hmm, i thought rc1 was supposed to be released yesterday? [03:46] unix_infidel: There have meen many a kernel problem. === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] TheMuso: lol, i guess i'll just have to wait another week. === arejay [n=rj@unaffiliated/rj-] has joined #ubuntu-motu === suppressingfir1 [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === suppressingfir1 [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === minghua [i=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-TWO-NINETY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:33] ajmitch: I was wondering if you've had a chance to consider the new clamav yet? Bug #106357 [04:33] Malone bug 106357 in clamav "UVFe for clamav 0.90.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106357 [04:34] re [04:34] ajmitch, no problems on reboot ? [04:39] imbrandon: nah it was sweet [04:39] ScottK: I looked briefly [04:39] Any thoughts? [04:40] it looks like something we want [04:40] OK. I put the package together, but I put about as much as I know about packaging into it. [04:41] yea -14.something broke mine, but i am doing a fresh install now ( needed to test clean upgrades anyhow ) [04:41] If there's stuff that needs to be cleaned up, I won'd feel bad at all if someone takes over. [04:41] I did look in the source and make sure the debian/patches all still made sense. [04:41] ajmitch: Thanks. I'm off to bed now. [04:41] i finaly got another family member off windows after they upgraded to vista for a few weeks and hated it :) [04:41] Good night everyone. [04:42] gnight ScottK [04:42] yay imbrandon [04:42] imbrandon: cool [04:42] cuts my "family support" down tremendously :) [04:43] now i just need to get them off a few windows apps but they work fine in wine for now [04:43] hehe [04:44] i'm tempted to go ahead an upgrade them to feisty now, so i wont have to venture back over here in a few days and upgrade it === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] close enough to release, and if -15 is in the archives everything should be ok [04:45] yeah [04:45] just update your local mirror again [04:45] yea, it will run in 15 minutes ( every 2 hours ) anyhow [04:45] it runs on even hours [04:46] well even hours local time :) === ajmitch disables the screensaver in etch in vmware [04:46] it chews cpu cycles [04:47] :) [04:47] i finaly picked up 3 700mhz/256mb ram boxen from work "for testing" here at the house [04:47] so i have etch on one [04:47] hehe nice [04:48] they were old old old old workstations from when the company started === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] i have etch on one, gnu solaris on the other, and the third i havent loaded yet === ajmitch wonders if he should hack today === imbrandon votes yes [04:50] imbrandon: Vista! [04:51] i'll probably put feisty/ldap/domain controler server for here at the house on the 3rd [04:51] oh come on! [04:51] :) [04:51] jdong, my last vista box is going away as we speak [04:51] becoming feisty [04:51] :) [04:51] :) [04:51] I will follow suit.... as soon as I (1) run out of space (2) Stop being lazy [04:51] well not mine but my mom's :) basicly mine because i have to fix it when it breaks [04:52] oh boy if that's how ownership is defined then I'm in a lot of trouble :D [04:52] my dads still on XP but he will stay on XP till he dies, no converting him, been trying for years [04:53] my mom dont care as long as it "just works"(tm) [04:54] meh sometimes it's too much effort to convert that it's lose-lose :) === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@203.110.163.74] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] yea [04:54] ok brb rebooting the live cd === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@203.110.163.74] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] imbrandon: so why not set them up on a VM? [05:05] ubuntu as the host, xp as the guest, just in case something doesnt "just work" === ajmitch waits for / to bre relabelled [05:10] nice & slow === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [05:13] VMWare 6 feels a lot faster [05:13] if my wallet were big I'd buy a copy [05:17] your university has a site license. === ajmitch just makes do with vmware server [05:19] crimsun: whoa we do? [05:19] nobody told me that :D [05:20] consulted your local vice chancellor of IT/research lately? [05:20] no I haven't.... [05:21] "MIT has licenses for VMWare. Send an email to software@csail.mit.edu to get a license number. From the vmware screen, choose 'help->Enter Serial Number' to enter the license." [05:21] hmm.... [05:21] a little OT, but, does anyone know how to stop a process, and then continue it in a screen session? === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guiment [i=guiment@gateway/tor/x-3234d3e186fc733f] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] re [05:41] anyone know what's up with the delayed RC1? [05:41] I think the kernel regressions are causing that, no? [05:41] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html [05:41] unix_infidel,makin sure the kernel actualy boots the system is a good thing [05:42] imbrandon: bullocks, that's icing. [05:42] :) [05:42] I'm pleased that with the new initramfs, udev, and linux-source, I don't need to pass `break=mount` to the bootloader, though. [05:43] whats break= do? havent seen that cheatcode yet [05:43] I've heard it a few times on the forums... [05:44] imbrandon: well is this release delay documented somewhere? [05:44] unix_infidel: I /just/ pasted the URL. [05:44] unix_infidel, yes, crimsun just gave you a link [05:45] spectacular. [05:45] imbrandon: drops to a busybox shell before it mounts / [05:45] hello crimsun [05:45] allo ajmitch [05:45] crimsun, ahh [05:45] can you also pass in other subsystems to break? [05:45] like break=alsa? :D [05:45] crimsun: I am rather happy about that as well [05:45] imbrandon: in my instance, hardware was too slow for initramfs/upstart/udev === guiment [i=guiment@gateway/tor/x-3234d3e186fc733f] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:46] ahh [05:46] break=jdong [05:46] :) [05:46] for me, it was a combination of the usual lvm & mdadm races with udev, kernel, devmapper [05:46] LOL [05:46] I think that's default though :D [05:46] for me its fskin network manager on a remote system [05:46] purge it [05:47] yea i did that 2 times, i need to blacklist it in the apt conf === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guiment [i=guiment@gateway/tor/x-3234d3e186fc733f] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:24] will we get the feisty release candidate this weekend? [06:25] guiment: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html [06:25] guiment: unknown ETA right now [06:25] but everyone's working hard going out of their way to get things done [06:25] colin, kyle, and ben have been troopers [06:26] jdong: so we don't know when the rc will be released, but as soon as it is released we know that one week later will get feisty final? [06:27] I'm not sure how the cycle will play out; maybe others can answer that [06:27] guiment: I addressed this question some hours ago [06:27] it all depends on RC [06:27] stop drinking at the crack fountain [06:30] crimsun: could you pastebin me the log? please..? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] cjwatson, BenC and co need a month's break for the work they do. === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-218-80.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:41] hello all [06:41] how is everyone doing? [06:42] good [06:42] that is good === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] Hey joejaxx. [06:48] hello TheMuso === guiment [i=guiment@gateway/tor/x-3234d3e186fc733f] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === harrisony [n=harrison@unaffiliated/harrisony] has left #ubuntu-motu ["I] === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121ofb.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] hello Hobbsee [07:23] hi ajmitch === ThiefOfBaghdad [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pwuertz [n=pwuertz@dslb-084-058-013-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-54-53.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-69-3-235-237.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121ofb.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@ubuntu/member/matid] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni_ [n=alb@CPE0003251893b1-CM0017ee5017b2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rgl [n=Rui@84.90.10.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Cosmo_ [n=cosmo@12.39.164.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945545.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] Could any MOTU have a look at bug #85640 when he'll have a moment (easy debdiff ready (two lines) and seems working) [09:55] Malone bug 85640 in cryptsetup "[Feisty] crypted root doesnt mount on start (cryptsetup)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85640 [09:57] stgraber: Care for a non-MOTU comment? [09:57] ScottK: Please [09:58] Normally you put (Closes LP: #85640) at the end of the relevant changelog entry. I think that's the syntax. [09:58] Also when you want it reviewed for upload subscribe (not assign) Ubuntu-Universe-Sponsors to the bug. [09:59] When you do that, put the status back to confirmed. [10:00] You might also put in the comments what you've done to test the fix (particularly this late in the game). [10:00] stgraber: That's it. [10:01] ScottK: Ok, I'll do a quick changelog update [10:02] Depending on who reviews it, some of them care more than others about that. [10:03] (Never had any problem with that even when uploading to main, but who knows :)) [10:06] ScottK: (LP: #xxxxx) [10:06] Ah. [10:06] stgraber: ^^ What he said. [10:06] hmm, I'm going to flood the bug report :) [10:07] Nah. You should look at the bug report on the borked kernel. That was a flooded bug. [10:08] hehe :) [10:10] ok, attached, status reset to confirmed and ubuntu-universe-sponsor is subscribed [10:11] That should at least get it looked at. [10:12] Yep, I hope for those people that it'll be uploaded, but we are coming really close to the final release ... (Personally I don't use that stuff, so ...) :) [10:14] siretart: ping, can you confirm http://librarian.launchpad.net/7211179/bug85640.debdiff is a correct fix? [10:14] (I don't recall immediately who uses cryptsetup...) === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-111-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:14] crimsun: I believe that it works, but I didn't have the chance to actually test it === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] RAOF: as an earlier explanation for banshee 0.12.1, both andrew and I have approved the exception here on irc last week [10:16] Ah, ok. [10:16] Once I actually thought about it, I did wonder :) [10:17] siretart: / stgraber: I'm fine with that debdiff if it fixes the issue correctly [10:17] crimsun: Do you still want it, or have you done it yourself? [10:17] RAOF: I have not done it [10:18] RAOF: you mentioned another fix that you wanted to merge, and as I didn't know to which you were referring, it was in my best interest to not do the merge myself [10:19] Ah, it was a trivial fix for bug #99817, but it's in no way important. [10:19] Malone bug 99817 in banshee "[feisty] stop hotkey not working" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99817 [10:21] RAOF: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7297978/lp-99817.debdiff looks fine to me === yosch [n=yosch@sal63-1-82-243-96-232.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-58-252.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:41] hm, so we have to decide on clamav 0.90.2 === ajmitch is willing to give it a +1 [10:41] siretart: what do you think? [10:41] I'm fine with a +1, too [10:42] ok, I got the impression you wanted it in backports instead === ajmitch would prefer a -volatile repository [10:42] well, I'm not familiar w/ upstream's release history === lritter [n=paniq@port-212-202-176-36.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:42] hey there [10:42] there is a release soon i heard [10:43] lritter: Yes. [10:43] are you guys aware that cd burning with gnomebaker is broken for regular users? ;) [10:43] Do you have a bug number? [10:43] i filed a ticket some time ago but there was no reply [10:43] yes [10:43] sec [10:43] 93750 [10:43] eek [10:43] 75753 [10:44] fix already released [10:44] how is clamav's release history? The changes seem a bit large for this late in the cycle, but I'm ok with it if upstream's release history is good. [10:44] didn't check my mail [10:44] allright :) [10:44] ^ ScottK [10:44] crimsun: I don't know. [10:45] I do know that we aren't carrying any bugfix patches in debian/patches [10:45] They are all config issues and one doc typo. [10:45] i suppose i just have to reboot once and then it works ;) [10:46] crimsun: I also wonder about the impact of http://lurker.clamav.net/message/20070413.012951.1d50edff.en.html [10:46] If we are stuck on an unsupported version number, that impacts us even if we SRU the important fixes. [10:47] As I said in the bug, I'm glad I don't have to decide. [10:47] hmph. [10:47] well, I think upstream just trumped my caution. [10:48] In general I think it's lower risk to take a tested bugfix release than to cherrypick when you don't have a lot of time. [10:48] if they're going to disable 0.90.1, I don't think we have any choice. === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch comments on the bug [10:49] crimsun: Looking at the comments I've received it seems to fix that issue, but as I've already said I'm not a user of that stuff myself. [10:49] Then I'd encourage you to expend the caution on picking over the package as I am not experienced enough to have seen all the potential landmines. [10:50] ScottK: 106357 updated accordingly. [10:51] OK. It's on REVU. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4816 [10:51] I can put my i386 .debs online if that would be helpful? [10:52] working with the source now. === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kofler [n=kofler@fw.bcp.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:55] How would I update a package that's in a repository? For example, I have a local repository that runs a very network specific package in /apt/network/edgy/binary-i386/ [10:55] kofler: Download the source package, modify it, build it, and then install the .deb using dpkg. [10:56] you probably want to change the version number as well [10:56] No, no, I mean there's an apt-mirror on the network that has it in that location. [10:56] I updated the package's source, rebuilt it, etc. [10:56] Now how to I update it on the *repository*? [10:57] Ah. Sorry. Misunderstood. [10:57] dpkg is very ugly. I prefer apt. [10:57] Sure, but dpkg works if it's not in a repository. [10:58] And apt just ends up using dpkg anyway, unless I'm mistaken. [10:58] True, but I rather have it update on the repository so cron-apt takes care of it network-wide. [10:58] It does, but it puts it in /var/cache/apt/archives and does other niceties. [10:59] apt-ftparchive packages /dev/null | tee Packages | gzip -9 > Packages.gz [10:59] perhaps with a '.' between packages and /dev/null [11:00] /dev/null ? [11:00] if you have an override file, use that [11:00] I'll go read up on it though. Thanks for the command. [11:01] nearly all (modern) archive management tools use apt-ftparchie as backend [11:03] Just since I could, the .debs for clamav 0.90.2 I made are here http://www.kitterman.com/clamav/ if anyone wants to test. Just i386. Particularly if anyone uses the milter as I don't have a way to really test it. === ivoks [n=ivoks@stream.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@stream.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] Thanks a bunch siretart :) [11:15] Oh, that's awkward. Launchpad's down. crimsun, I've been (trying) to follow MOTU/Merging (that's the right guide, yes?). Once launchpad's back up, can you give it a run over? Or shall I throw something up on REVU? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:16] RAOF: There is stuff on the wiki about merging. [11:17] TheMuso: You mean, wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging? [11:17] Or the wiki.ubuntu.com/Merging MOTU school transcripts? [11:17] Actually, that last bit is probably not an actual MOTU school transcript :) [11:18] ScottK: built debs look fine here. Please update debian/changelog to reflect the UVF exception being granted, and explicitly document the fact in debian/changelog that upstream is disabling support for < 0.90.2 on 16 Apr '07 [11:18] Will do. [11:19] I'm off for a nap; if no one has uploaded in 4 hours, I'll be around [11:20] crimsun: I can upload it if you'd like. [11:32] TheMuso: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4817 - I did not rebuild the binaries since I just touched the changelog. [11:33] TheMuso: If you are going to upload, I just noticed I left a ")" off my changelog entry. Would you mind fixing it? I can reupload? [11:34] ScottK: I haven't looked yet, so if you can fix it, that would be great. [11:34] Fixing === nrg88 [n=nrg88@86.126.206.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.6.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:38] hello [11:38] hello === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-58-252.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:42] TheMuso: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4818 === iceman [n=iceman@203.20-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:46] ScottK: Looking now. [11:46] Great. [11:47] Ouch. Big tarball. [11:47] Yep. Mostly virus definitions. [11:47] Wow. [11:49] Nothing like upstream on a security important application dumping a new release on you at the last moment. [11:49] Oh yeah. [11:50] ScottK: So what are they doing exactly? Dropping support for the old version? [11:50] And is this going to break anything else in the archive? [11:51] They're dropping definition support (at least in part, I'm not sure). [11:51] ah just read the changelog [11:51] Also there are two cves this fixes. [11:51] ScottK: So what was changed in the debian/ dir? [11:51] Right. [11:51] I've tested the new debs with Klamav and Clamsmtp [11:51] Just the changelog === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:52] Ok. === TheMuso test builds. [11:52] I did look in the source and make sure that the code touched in devian/patches was unchanged. [11:53] Right. [11:53] Probably worth getting those patches upstream. [11:53] Except one doc typo they are all config stuff. Our stuff has been sent to Debian. [11:53] Right. === Gervystar [n=alessand@host145-26-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] At least it doesn't take long to build. [12:00] Yes. Most of the bulk is definitions, not code. === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-28-76.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] As you said. [12:02] Ok, looks sane. === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:04] BTW, this excercise is an excellent example of why using a patch system is a very good thing. It made it much easier for someone relatively new like me to update the package for a new upstream release in short order. [12:04] Yes indeed. [12:05] ScottK: Uploading now. [12:05] I have acked on revu and archived. [12:05] Great. Thanks. === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] I'll keep and eye on the bug. [12:06] Whats the bug number? I'll attach an upload report once I receive it from soyuz. [12:07] Looks like lp is back up. [12:08] crimsun: When you get back, I've thrown up a merged banshee 0.12.1+dfsg-2ubuntu1 onto REVU, since it doesn't seem that banshee is on merges.ubuntu.com, so I can't follow the merging stuff on the wiki. I'm off for dinner, but I'll be back later if you need/want anything more. [12:08] Bug #106357 [12:08] Malone bug 106357 in clamav "UVFe for clamav 0.90.2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106357 [12:08] ScottK: Thanks [12:08] RAOF: Usually for a merge you attach the debdiff for the new version to the merge request bug. [12:09] np [12:09] Still uploading... [12:09] Not suprising. [12:09] RAOF: banshee has the same maintainer in Debian and Ubuntu. you might want to ask slomo before :-9 [12:09] :-) [12:11] I've kinda assumed that crimsun did that before asking me. Mightn't be a bad idea, though :) === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] ScottK: Uploaded. [12:20] TheMuso: Thanks. I think I'll go sleep now (It's roughly 6AM here). [12:20] ScottK: Wow you've been up a long time. [12:20] Enjoy it. [12:21] TheMuso: Yes, but it seemed important to get done. [12:21] Yeah. === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@161.53.50.78] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@38-10.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] Bug #96090 is ready for UUS review if anyone is there. [01:00] Malone bug 96090 in klamav "[apport] klamav crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96090 [01:00] TheMuso? [01:00] And I'm really going to bed now. [01:01] ScottK: heh [01:01] ScottK: I'm on it. [01:01] Thanks. 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[02:47] Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145) === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] is there another site like pastebin? [02:48] http://wklej.org [02:48] thanks! [02:48] np [02:49] for bash guru and for fun: how do u solve this problem? http://wklej.org/id/f8284bd2a1 [02:50] nest them [02:50] ajmitch: how ? [02:50] $(expr $(sfdisk -s $2) / 1024) [02:50] or similar [02:51] ` doesn't nest like $() does [02:51] ah thanks for the tip. i try === umarmung [n=holger@p54AA3D2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] ajmitch: wow .. then it means that b=$(sfdisk -s /dev/sdb) it's equal to b=`sfdisk -s /dev/sdb`, right? very nice. it works. thanks === toaster^ [i=toaster@62.73.248.184] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@unaffiliated/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ThiefOfBaghdad [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54bed59a.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@105-152-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@unaffiliated/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] hey all any gsoc mentors around === ajmitch is not, sorry [03:53] night all [03:59] Good Night ajmitch === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] [04:07] anyone here using cacti on dapper? [04:08] i've attempted to basically copy debian sids update to 0.8.6i onto 0.8.6h in dapper to fix the security issues [04:08] and was hoping for some testing [04:08] seems to work here [04:08] Lathiat: As in Debian's patch applies fine to the 0.8.6h in Dapper? [04:08] it seems to [04:08] hrm [04:09] heh [04:09] or not [04:09] Heh [04:09] i didnt' save 00list [04:09] hrm almost applies [04:09] i'll fix this patch [04:10] i've had 2 of my machines hacked by this bug because i was lazy and a mates as well so i figured i might try update the packages [04:10] Lathiat: If it works for you and someone else, talk to pitti or keescook about it. [04:10] StevenK: ya this is why i was asking if anyone wanted to test it ;) [04:23] ok i got it working now === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@e179174195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === math_b [n=mathieu@vbo91-2-82-239-207-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-202-162.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu__ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-95-118.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] hi, does motu want to be assigned to needs-packaging bugs? The email to the bug list didn't mention it, but I see a few needs-packaging bugs assigned to motu === Cosmo_ [n=cosmo@12.39.164.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@105-152-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ivoks.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@adsl-156-75-197.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73ECC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73ECC.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73ECC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73ECC.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:26] if I submit a deb to revu now, i must set changelog to feisty or feisty+1? feisty+1 right? [05:27] it has a name you know... gutsy :-) [05:27] but I don't know the answer anyway :-P [05:29] i think gutsy because now feisty are in freeze.. === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945545.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] Nafallo: gushy :) [05:42] Nafallo: see #ubuntuforums topic :) [05:43] I don't use forums! :-) [05:43] Nafallo: just read the topic :) [05:43] I'm lazy :-) [05:43] || Next release Gushy Giblets! [05:44] hmm. they are wrong. they should sign up on mailinglist. the TRUE informationsource ;-) [05:44] lol [05:44] and you get great pill deals too! [05:44] ;-) [05:44] haha [05:44] my bogofilter makes me not see those :-P === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:59] jrib: No. Don't assign them to MOTU. MOTU approves new packages, but doesn't necessarily do the packaging. [06:00] ScottK: thanks === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] TheMuso: Thanks for taking care of the klamav update. [06:06] so, i must set gutsy in changelog? [06:07] jekil: yep [06:07] pochu: thanks [06:08] jekil: because it won't be accepted in Feisty :) [06:08] Too late ;) === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@e179174195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpon [n=jpniane@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === gortiz_ [n=gortiz@88.87.105.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] <_MMA_> Could someone close Bug #106560 for me. GIMP 2.3 isnt in the repos. [06:54] Malone bug 106560 in ubuntustudio-meta "ubuntustudio-graphics needs gimp-svg v2.2.x! (Doesnt work with gimp v2.3.x))" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106560 [06:55] is that what the rejected status is for? [06:55] I got it. [06:56] <_MMA_> Thanx [06:59] Done. Bug #106560 [06:59] Malone bug 106560 in ubuntustudio-meta "ubuntustudio-graphics needs gimp-svg v2.2.x! (Doesnt work with gimp v2.3.x))" [Undecided,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106560 [06:59] <_MMA_> ScottK: Im sorry. I thought you had to be MOTU to do it. I could have handled it. :) [06:59] <_MMA_> Thanx though. :) [07:00] Now you know. The only thing you can't do without being MOTU, core-dev, or ubuntu-qa is set importance. === gnomefreak wonders if they meant 2.13 and 2.12 [07:00] <_MMA_> Ahh... Gotcha. === ScottK joined ubuntu-qa for that reason (much easier than getting MOTU). [07:00] gnomefreak: maybe so [07:00] gnomefreak: but ubuntustudio-meta only exists in feisty [07:00] but i am thinking its 2.2.13 [07:01] <_MMA_> gnomefreak: I dint know. I use gimp-svg from the repos just fine here. :( [07:01] so im not real sure [07:01] _MMA_: same here === gnomefreak scared of gimp [07:01] gnomefreak: We'll find out if he replies to the bug I guess. TheGimp 2.1 was never in the Ubuntu repos, so either way, it's rejected. [07:01] true [07:02] <_MMA_> Shouldnt have been filed against "ubuntustudio-graphics" anyway. ;) [07:02] there seems to be a 2.3 in devel in gimp [07:03] bye! wish u all a good w.e. [07:03] damko: you too [07:03] Heh! - http://www.computerpartner.nl/article.php?news=int&id=5003 "Microsoft: Word 2007 crashes are a feature, not bug" [07:03] lol [07:04] lol [07:04] see this? http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03020.pdf [07:04] :-) === damko [n=damko@host177-31-static.106-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === gordon_ [n=chatzill@cpe-76-183-250-45.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === syke [n=matt@64-142-12-187.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:10] hi [07:10] Hello [07:10] how do I request a package to be updated for feisty? [07:10] monodevelop 0.12 is what installs, but 0.13.1 is the first one that is really usable [07:11] file a bug on it. [07:11] is .13 stable? [07:11] syke: But Feisty gets released in roughly a week, so it's extremely unlikely a new version gets brought in. [07:12] oh he said feisty :( [07:12] 0.13 is the only monodevelop version I have used that didn't crash within 10 minutes of usage [07:12] feisty wont get anything now [07:12] If there are specific bugs it fixes, someone (maybe you) might extract patches to fix the current one. [07:13] could an updated pkg come thru the updates? [07:13] specific patches aren't really possible, I don't think [07:13] or only backported bugfixes to the current revision? [07:13] if updating isn't a possibility, I would really just remove the pkg [07:13] syke: it's not going to happen in Feisty sadly.... [07:14] syke: 0.13 requires newer stetic and friends, and I've been watching it go into Debian.... [07:14] syke: 0.12 in the repos don't crash for me, and I use it regularly... [07:14] if you want 0.13 packages I think I have some [07:14] jdong: if they're on a public URL, that would be nice [07:15] I'm working on a book, pragmatic unit testing in C#, and I'm trying to make sure the code/examples in it works in all these environments [07:15] we use a couple of screenshots of nunit-gui running in KUbuntu [07:15] syke: uploading, http://web.mit.edu/jdong/www/md/ [07:15] we mention monodevelop 0.13 because it adds an integrated unit test runner [07:15] why not just doa simple build to make life easy if the book isnt ubuntu specific [07:15] done. [07:16] gnomefreak: heh it's not as trivial a build as we'd like it to be [07:16] yea, it's a big pain in the balls to build :( [07:16] so many dependencies [07:16] syke: yeah but the debs I posted I've been using since 0.13.1's release... they're based off Ubuntu debs [07:16] and should be pretty safe to use [07:16] but the usual 3rd party unsupported package warning goes along with them ;-) [07:16] great, that's better than nothing :) [07:17] just trying to make sure the readers of the book can have a smooth experience with Linux :) [07:17] 0.13 also adds better code completion too [07:17] and partial class support [07:17] for the UI editor that is [07:17] and, like I say, it doesn't crash nearly as much for me [07:17] well I'll attempt to backport it to Feisty once Gushy Giblets or whatever opens [07:18] haw [07:18] :) [07:18] :) [07:18] the other package I had a question about was NUnit itself; I suppose there's no chance of updating that to 2.4, is there? [07:18] haven't looked into that [07:19] but Feisty, it's too late to update anything at this time [07:19] I also noticed that even when the current NUnit package is installed, most configure scripts look for a mono-nunit.pc, and the current NUnit pkg only installs an nunit.pc [07:20] ok, that's too bad for monodevelop :/ I'll add a general note about making sure to have the latest versions or downlaod them separately [07:20] slomo is the monodevelop guy around here; he will be thrilled to dicuss this with you :D [07:20] lol === jdong hides before he gets slapped === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@22-196.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:20] must be a private joke I'm missing out on :) [07:20] could you clarify me about packages inserted into REJECTED queue? === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:21] need to reboot to try this updated kernel and kdelibs, I'm having some issues with knetworkmanager that it will hopefully fix [07:21] jdong: thanks for the info! :) [07:23] recently \sh uploaded for me tutos2 package [07:24] but I noticed it was inserted into REJECTED queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=tutos2 === toaster^ [i=toaster@62.73.248.184] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:24] is there something to do in these cases? === NessieLiberation [n=tom@88-107-0-186.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rgl [n=Rui@84.90.10.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === penguin42 [n=dg@tu006.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:30] You need to ask one of the archive admins or maybe ask the MOTU that approved it to ask. === NessieLiberation [n=tom@88-107-0-186.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:30] When that happened to me, Tollef e-mailed my why. [07:31] They're possibly busy at the moment, so I'd ask the MOTU that uploaded it to ask. [07:31] will do, thanks. [07:32] would it be possible to get gnucash (in universe) updated to the latest release - is the right thing to put a bug in for that? === umarmung [n=holger@p54aa3d2e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:35] penguin42: Not now. [07:35] Not for Feisty [07:35] sure I realise that's too late [07:36] but just to get it on the radar that it needs getting done [07:36] Once the repositories open for the next release, it should just happen. [07:36] oh ok - the version in there is about 6 months old === penguin42 has a small intermittent rendering issue on it and I guess the devs will just ask if it happens on the latest [07:37] Actually, there is an Ubuntu specific variant, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash so it will have to be merged. It won't be automatic. [07:39] penguin42: Maybe you could work on it in a few weeks? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging we can always use more help. [07:39] ScottK: I wouldn't mind doing - but I've got about 3 or 4 geeky other projects I havn't got around to either :-( [07:40] what do you mean by 'ubuntu specific varient' - I suspect gnucash doesn't actually have stuff for debs in it at all [07:40] Right, but the Ubuntu version is modified from what we get from Debian. [07:40] ah ok === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:40] Put it on your TODO for about a month from now. === penguin42 goes to have a dig to see where debian is up to === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] Ah Debian have the latest version packaged - I'll try building it from their package and see how it goes [07:42] ScottK: Is it easy to see why we have an ubuntu specific version? [07:43] penguin42: Yes. Download the source package (apt-get source gnucash) and look in debian/changelog [07:43] It should explain the differences. [07:44] actually they've got the latest in etch [07:45] One thing to look at is is the Ubuntu version still required. If Debian has made changes that make the Ubuntu specific stuff OBE, then it can be synched. [07:45] Merges have to be done manually, so they don't always get done regularly. Remember that MOTU is all volunteer. [07:45] nod [07:46] If you have the technical ability (and it sounds like you do) there is one easy way to make sure the Ubuntu gnucash stays up to date... [07:46] Hmm according to the changelog there is a tiny build dependency difference (libgoffice-0-dev instead of libgoffice-1-dev) [07:48] Look at sid though, not etch. [07:49] By the time you are ready to merge it, sid will probably have changed. [07:49] ScottK: What I don't have is the knowledge of the ways of the packaging rules and how to package stuff properly [07:49] People here will help you learn that. === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:49] hmph - let me try the obvious thing first, I'll just have a quick look if the debian package builds and runs ok [07:50] That's a good one. === ScottK expects you'll find the library is the wrong version. [07:51] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is a good place to start. [07:51] Of course you could make the build-dep change and then it would probably build. Look in debian/control in the source package. [07:52] so do you guys have any tools that keep an eye on debian version updates? [07:53] penguin42: you can use this page: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html [07:54] There is also http://merges.ubuntu.com/ and http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html [07:54] penguin42, if your wanting to make a custom list look into mdt [07:55] ( mdt == multi distro tools ) made just for that [07:55] hmm it seems you and debian have a gentle disagreement of the naming of libgoffice-?-dev === ScottK doesn't know why [07:57] penguin42: Who uses which? [07:57] It is not rare for Ubuntu to jump to a newer infrastructure sooner. [07:58] For example, Python 2.5 is the default Python in Feisty and it's not yet supported in Sid. [07:58] well they have a libgoffice-1-dev (0.2.1-4) and we have a libgoffice-0-dev (0.3.7-0ubuntu1) [07:58] Ah. I've no idea why. [08:00] that one is a little nuts - the build dependency naming is the only thing that is stopping it being up to date [08:00] hmm is there anything to tell apt to install all the packages this dsc it needs as build dependencies [08:01] sudo apt-get build-dep ? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:02] hmm it won't actually take it from the dsc - still it will get me what I need [08:02] pbuilder-satisfydepends will get from the dsc [08:02] depends on how you want to do it === Monk-e [n=guidolou@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:14] ScottK: OK, now I'm confused - off the merges page of that package list page is one for gnucash and it shows a merge for the latest version [08:15] Yes, but no one ever got around to submitting it. [08:15] Those are drafts that someone has to actually work through. [08:15] ah - is it automatic? [08:16] Getting to the draft is automatic. [08:16] From there a live volunteer has to look it over and verify it. [08:16] It gets particularly interesting when Debian and Ubuntu has specific changes. [08:16] err uh conflicting changes [08:17] ah food calls - the build should be finished by the time I've eaten === arejay [n=rj@unaffiliated/rj-] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:38] Hi bddebian [08:39] Hello bddebian (you youngster). [08:39] Heya gang [08:39] Hi geser, ScottK ( :-) ) === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [i=guido-et@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:07] well the gnucash seems to run fine from the debian 2.0.5 with teh build dependency tweaked === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-119-210.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mjunx [n=matt@adsl-75-4-139-58.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:13] penguin42: Then once the repositories open for graceful gibbon, you ought to file a merge request. === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121ofb.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] ScottK: How does one file a merge request? [09:15] penguin42: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging [09:16] penguin42: Note that this is a relatively easy thing to do that MOTU never has enough people to keep up, so it's a REALLY great way to contribute. [09:19] so I can see the bit about submitting a bug on it - is that it or is there something else? === Monk-e [i=guido-et@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Monk-e [i=guido-et@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] No. That's pretty much it. You make sure you got the package right (check the changes, build it, test it a bit), make a debdiff, and file the merge bug with the dediff attached. A MOTU will review/approve. Once it's approved, you just mark it fix released after the update builds in the repositories. [09:23] Given what you've just done, you know most everything you need to know to start doing simple merges for gutsy. [09:23] In cases where we have a fix that Debian doesn't it's good to file a bug in the Debian BTS so they can get it. The Ubuntu goal is to minimize diff with Debian. [09:24] nod - are the debian guys pulling stuff back into their worlds as well? [09:24] They don't usually come here and look. Some will take Ubuntu patches, some won't if they are BTS. [09:25] if there is no diff needed - i.e. the automerge has done the right thing do I just point the bug at that? Is there anything that can go away and check it builds on all the arches? [09:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/ [09:25] If there is no diff, it's a sync not a merge. [09:25] Those are automatic up to a point and then they have to be requested. [09:26] there is a diff - but the automerge thing seems to have taken the diff from last time [09:26] penguin42: MoM doesn't add a correct changelog entry (listing the remaining changes) so need to edit it and then debdiff [09:26] Right. MoM guesses and then you have to make sure. === bluefoxicy meh. Guesses nobody in Debian updated Stratagus + Invasion: BOS, so Ubuntu has old, half-complete versions :/ [09:26] See Debian import freeze on the schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule [09:27] geser: Ah OK - pity really [09:27] I blame ISV and compatibility [09:27] bluefoxicy: If it gets to old and Debian isn't keeping up, you can package the update and submit it to REVU. [09:28] ScottK: Yeah. I'm more concerned that things like autopackage et al are hackey.. actually, autopackage works pretty well o.o hmm [09:28] penguin42: Personally, I'm impressed how well the MoM does, but would be petrified of taking the human out of the loop entirely. === bluefoxicy wants point-and-click one-stop install for third party software, regardless of distro. Goes wandering to see if he can find it. [09:28] penguin42: sometimes it happens that a fix is included a second time because the patch file got an other name or Debian included a patch at an other line in a file [09:28] Also now that Etch is released, more emphasis will go into Sid. [09:29] bluefoxicy: Click N Run is supposed to be coming to Ubuntu 'real soon now". [09:29] ScottK: Nod, if you take the human out of the loop the systems might start writing their own code [09:29] And do it badly. [09:29] ScottK: that's a centralized database, like Apt2 or something. [09:29] it looks like the gnucash update in debian missed the freeze for feisty by about 3 days - bah! [09:30] Gnucash would have had to be merged in any case so wouldn't have been automatic. [09:30] ScottK: I want something where I can grab what I want from wherever, like Autopackage; but I'm not wholly convinced that Linux can handle backwards compatibility (try running Citrix once, if you install libxaw6 it doesn't work because libxaw6 doesn't have a symbol it needs) === ScottK has never seen a auto packager that could get it right consistently - the box doesn't have enough data. [09:31] so if I come back this time next week and file the bug it should be OK? [09:32] No. Wait until the gutsy repositories open. [09:32] when is that due? [09:32] I thin it's roughly April 29. [09:32] thin/think [09:32] Then if you want, after it's in gutsy you can file for a backport into Feisty. [09:33] but then do I have to go and gab gutsy tools and stuff? [09:33] Not immediately. [09:33] ok [09:33] ScottK: CITRIX needs libxaw6 (not 5, not 7); but xaw6 doesn't have all the symbols (because the idiot programmers don't understand you're supposed to upgrade the ELF major version when you break the ABI); this seems to be a pretty chronic problem, programs just eventually don't work any more because the libraries are different somewhere along the line. Most libs seem to get ELF versioning right these days (GTK+ is a model e [09:33] xample) but meh. [09:33] I suspect that autopackagers like autopackage will always hit that hurdle [09:33] has their been any thought ever to building stuff in later distros with loose enough dependencies to still work on older ones? [09:34] you'd think a lot of packages would work on multiple versions [09:34] Yes, but the binaries need to be built with the correct environment for that version. [09:34] do thehy? === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] So you don't upversion dependencies unless you need to and then you can use the backports system for stuff that qualifies. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] penguin42: Yes. Usually it's OK, but sometimes you get burned. [09:35] For your own use, it's probably OK, but for the distro as a whole, not. [09:35] ScottK: I was thinking just applying it to packages that are OK [09:35] There's no way to know. [09:36] Keep the source as common as you can and then build in the correct environment is the only way to do it. [09:36] hmm [09:36] going in the forward direction should work shouldn't it - I mean building newer packages on feisty and then using those also in feisty+1 say === bluefoxicy ponders an autocompat system [09:37] It's discussed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth [09:37] something that will build a thin compatibility layer around new versions of libraries [09:37] penguin42: Depends on if some library had removed some aspect of an API. [09:37] nah that would be a pain [09:39] ScottK: But then they should bump their major version or disembowel their authors [09:39] Yep. That's the theory. === penguin42 was just looking for ways to keep the load down [09:40] imbrandon, ping [09:40] Work in the process and get your stuff into the Ubuntu repositories and then it's Canonical's problem. That keeps YOUR load down. [09:40] so what builds the universe - is their a build farm that checks it builds on SPARC say? [09:41] nod - just trying to understand how the universe goes together [09:41] See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klamav/0.41-0ubuntu1 - It shows you which archs Ubuntu builds. [09:41] As an example. [09:42] Universe and Main use the same toolset for this. === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@e179174195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === mjrclark [n=mjrclark@host81-155-212-12.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:44] hmm nice build system [09:44] right, I'll try and remember to keep an eye on it and come back in a couple of weeks and file the stuff on gnucash [09:44] thanks === penguin42 [n=dg@tu006.demon.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === tommy1987 [n=tommy198@82-46-12-56.cable.ubr07.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _phantom_ [n=phantom@82-46-12-56.cable.ubr07.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-005-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54BED59A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === codingmaster [n=codingma@p5b154486.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] apt-get build-dep is telling me "build dependencies could not be satisfied". How can I get it to tell me *which* build-deps are the problem? === gortiz_ [n=gortiz@88.87.105.4] has left #ubuntu-motu ["See] [10:04] danohuiginn: The error message should tell you. Read closely. [10:07] ScottK: it doesn't seem to. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15654/ === ScottK lloks [10:07] looks [10:08] Ah. It's pbuilder that will tell you which. Try and build the package and dpkg-buildpackage will bail out and tell you which. [10:08] Sorry about that. [10:08] ok, thanks [10:18] vil, pong [10:18] danohuiginn: I can't reproduce it here [10:18] imbrandon, again question regrarding ubuntuwire [10:19] sure, shoot [10:19] there is supposed to be a problem with eclipse on sparc64, however, I don't have a way to test it [10:20] imbrandon, do you thing that you could install the latest eclipse on sparky? [10:20] sparky is spark64 kernel iirc [10:20] i would much rather you do it in a chroot [10:20] than install it on the main box [10:21] imbrandon, that's fine [10:21] vil, e.g. pbuilder-feisty login [10:21] then install from there [10:21] geser: I got it sorted, thanks. It was tangled up in alternatives [10:21] imbrandon, I will look at what is pbuilder login good for === lupine_85 [i=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:22] vil, "pbuilder-feisty login" will give you a clean chroot that you can install it in, then when you "exit" it cleans it all up [10:22] and sets it back to default [10:22] imbrandon, thanks again for your kind help [10:23] np === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54BED59A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-005-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121ofb.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === umarmung [n=holger@p54aa3d2e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpon [n=jpniane@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945545.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@adsl-156-75-197.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === enyc [n=enyc@1337.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionel [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron_ [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-005-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-1121ofb.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === enyc [n=enyc@1337.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [i=guido-et@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === saispo_ [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [i=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-motu === damko [n=damko@host177-31-static.106-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-69-3-235-237.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === grayman [n=grayman@89.0.255.221.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] ScottK: You're welcome. === Monk-e [i=guido-et@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211__ [n=andrew@user-1121b1t.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] is there a problem with xkbd in Feisty? [11:35] xkb === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-63-159.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] hi [11:38] does anyone know where I can find a complete howto to create package from scratch using cdbs in the "ubuntu" way? [11:39] marseillai_, http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Deb_Guide isnt a bad start [11:40] marseillai_: is hard to find good cdbs documentation [11:40] nvm, I didnt read what you said. [11:40] jekil: arf [11:41] marseillai_, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-cdbs.html [11:41] marseillai_: I made my first package 1 day ago and I found very useful yada to understand the mechanism to create a package. may be it's usefull also for u [11:42] jekil: assuming i want to make a clean package of an application (i've allready done one this afternoon : i've patch kopete, make debdiff and a deb) but from scratch, can i find some help here to teach me how to do with cdbs/pbuilder and else ??? [11:42] marseillai_, see the link i gave you [11:42] jussi01: it's pretty.... empty ..... [11:42] marseillai_: read links above and google [11:43] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html [11:43] also that [11:43] marseillai_: for cdbs, you can also read https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml [11:43] mr_pouit: dja lu, un peu perdu [11:43] marseillai_, on that first link was a link to more stuff === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [i=guido-et@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:47] macd: does this doc is about cdbs or debhelper : http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Deb_Guide ? or perhaps debhelper and cdbs are the same things ? === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:48] marseillai_: are 2 things... [11:49] i think that you must understend well this before use it === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121faa.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:52] thanks jekil macd and jussi01 === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-63-159.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Un] === Monk-e [i=guido-et@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman [n=iceman@203.20-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu