=== asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=andy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-54-53.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [11:42] asac: if you get a chance let me know what i need to do about the libnss and the rest of those libs for iceape. so far iceape has had 0 crashes and would like to test the libnss lib... and so on a little before tool chain opens for gutsy. (is it as simple as changing debian/control to list those libs as depends?) === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@e179174195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [01:54] hi :) ... my system somehow failed to update dyndns entry so I am locked out ;) === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@e179174195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam [] === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@e179174195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [02:25] ola [02:25] finally back :) === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === AlexLatchford [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@e179174195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam [] === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === boredandblogging [n=asdfasdf@c-24-98-177-125.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === flox [n=florent@vau06-4-88-169-212-12.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [05:59] hello [06:00] i hv segfault with Sunbird on Edgy [06:01] but it works when launched as root (sudo) [06:03] is it the right place to ask for help? === asac_the_2nd [n=asac@e179174195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [06:47] flox: you might want to try #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org [06:47] unless freenode has a mozilla channel [06:47] gnomefreak: thanks [06:47] ubuntu doesnt package sunbird [06:48] why does he pm me all his bugs :( [06:48] channel #mozilla does not hv many people on freenode [06:48] will try on irc.mozilla.org [06:48] i think thats the server [06:50] asac_the_2nd: feisty system? [06:51] mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist <<< liar === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [07:11] gnomefreak: no sarge [07:11] ah [07:12] bad thing i have a cloak [07:12] otherwise i could see ip ;) [07:12] hmm === asac_the_2nd wonders if irc.gimp.org shows ips [07:13] lets see [07:13] asac_the_2nd: did you try /ns ghost asac password [07:13] than /nick asac [07:13] no [07:13] what would that do? [07:13] ghost will kill asac [07:13] so you can chage to it [07:13] actually i am not bothered with my nick :) [07:13] i want my ip to log in ;) [07:14] and do other stuff like reading mail :( [07:14] ah === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [07:15] great :) [07:15] i am in === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === gnomefreak wonders why i havent seen any bugs yet on fx3 and ice (i know of a few already) [07:18] which? [07:18] oh i dont know like "why doesnt google work" or "why cant i install enigmail" [07:19] there was aother one i found but i cant think of it atm [07:19] ah ... yeah ... you see how many people downloaded? [07:19] no [07:19] i know of like 5 [07:19] besides me [07:19] yeah ... i guess there are some more [07:20] we need to get it in update-alternatives [07:20] but those are rather power-users that might not wonder about google search [07:20] i guess that will come with official build [07:20] update-alternatives? [07:20] you mean for x-www-browser? [07:20] asac_the_2nd: yep :) [07:20] it might be there [07:20] yes thats true [07:20] but its not in system>prefferences [07:20] no i didn't install it so far [07:20] oops [07:21] perfered apps [07:21] yes ... system -> preferences we need to add a hack to gnome-control-center [07:21] hack not a patch :) [07:21] yeah :) [07:21] probably the same [07:21] its not a hack as its the official way to do it [07:21] cool [07:22] anyway, changing gnome-control-center for each app that provides http:// is a hack imo [07:22] need to add libnss and friends and add that for g-c-c [07:22] cool i received mail today from apr 4 === gnomefreak trying to think what else needs to be done (minus the rebuild for gutsy) [07:23] that was a week and ahalf ago [07:23] mt-needretrace :) [07:24] is network manager fixed for you now? [07:24] yes [07:24] i used the test build for it [07:24] before it hit repos === gnomefreak got tired of cursing it out. [07:26] when you scroll it doesn't redraw properly [07:26] hope thats not firefox? [07:26] http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Demos [07:26] it is [07:27] x86_64 [07:27] thats the link [07:27] feisty [07:27] well it shows up fine here [07:28] for me too ... on edgy though === Naddiseo [n=Naddiseo@d199-126-254-166.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [07:28] Hello [07:29] Naddiseo: ok now you get a scroll bar? [07:29] I'd take a screen shot, but it forces ff to redraw the page again [07:30] It's like it lags when it's redrawing the bar [07:30] Naddiseo: http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Demos is the link? [07:31] yes [07:31] Naddiseo: is your firefox maximized? [07:31] asac_the_2nd: did you get a scroll bar on that link? [07:31] yes [07:32] My resolution is 1024x768 [07:32] gnomefreak: where? [07:32] http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Demos [07:33] yeah i know that .... but what do you mean by scrollbar [07:33] for me all fitted in default size [07:33] im assuming the right hand bar [07:33] its fitted here to [07:33] and when i resized firefox it shows up properly [07:33] does ubuntu have a pastebin for iamges? [07:33] Naddiseo: no [07:33] k [07:33] use imageshack.u [07:33] s [07:33] or something [07:33] maybe theme? [07:34] I'm using dfault theme [07:34] using beryl though [07:34] depending on extenstion to tool bar he has? [07:34] Mm [07:34] Naddiseo: try it without beryl [07:34] K [07:34] Naddiseo: stop beryl from starting up automaticly restart X === gnomefreak willing to bet its a beryl rendering issue [07:34] Lol [07:35] Naddiseo: do you see scrollbars if you make firefox really small? [07:35] Naddiseo: im head of ubutnu-effects team [07:35] these things i have to know [07:35] Mm, it looks to be beryl.. [07:35] Let me just restart X though [07:36] brb smoke === Naddiseo [n=Naddiseo@d199-126-254-166.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [07:37] Ok, it's working fine when beryl isn't on [07:38] wierd thing [07:38] Naddiseo: you still can provide me with a screenshot? [07:38] Not of the bug, taking a screenshot redraws the window [07:38] but I can show you [07:39] the window from what I saw [07:39] that didn't make sense :p [07:40] http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w187/Naddiseo/Screenshot-1.png [07:40] I drew a red circle around the bar [07:41] asac_the_2nd: brain teaser: mozilla ships firefox with pango enabled ubuntu ships it enabled also disabling pango makes ff render faster (why?) why is pango so important to it [07:42] i dont see any downside/side-effects to disabling pango [07:43] Isn't pango what draws all the text? [07:43] Naddiseo: text still draws without pango [07:44] Oh.. [07:46] pango is good [07:46] Naddiseo: are you using beryl from feisty repo or from beryl.ubuntu repo? [07:46] better for multi lang [07:47] beryl repo I think [07:47] afaik we disable it for locales that don't need pango [07:47] ah that makes sence than [07:47] asac_the_2nd: english doesnt need it and its enabled iirc [07:47] Naddiseo: hold on a sec, [07:47] http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org [07:47] we have [07:47] that repo [07:47] if [ "x${MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO}" = x ] ; then [07:47] if egrep '^(bn|gu|hi|kn|ml|mr|ne|pa|si|ta|te)_' \ [07:47] /var/lib/locales/supported.d/*[^~] >/dev/null 2>&1; then [07:47] MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=0 [07:47] else [07:47] MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 [07:47] fi [07:48] export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO [07:48] fi [07:48] oh that is fairly new than [07:48] so if you have non of the above installed you should not get pango [07:48] Man, I wish I could help you guys write ff ^^ My C++ sucks though [07:48] gnomefreak: it does not depend what locale you currently run under, but what locale is installed at all [07:48] asac_the_2nd: on [07:48] oh [07:49] so remove everything from your supported languages should disable pango if i see it correctly [07:49] btw, those lines are from edgy ... so not that new [07:49] maybe look in /usr/bin/firefox if that statements exists there as well [07:49] i have no feisty at hand atm [07:51] yep same here === gnomefreak couldnt find pango in about:config [07:52] k [07:52] its not there [07:53] Naddiseo: ati card by chance? [07:53] Nope, nvidia [07:53] gnomefreak: because its not set through firefox pref settings [07:53] asac_the_2nd: ah [07:53] 7300gs [07:53] Naddiseo: ok ty [07:53] iirc nvidia has some composite issues as well === gnomefreak going through bugs i remember. [07:53] maybe you need an xorg.conf tweak? [07:54] Mm, want me to paste my xorg.conf on pastebin? [07:54] asac_the_2nd: none of the normal settings affect that [07:54] normal added settings [07:54] although 7300 might be [07:54] its a bitch to set up on ubuntu (lately) [07:54] Naddiseo: sorry ... i am a l00ser for composite issues ... its just that i remember haven't read something about it somewhere [07:55] Yeah,I have to reinstall the nvidia driver after each kernel upgrade :p [07:55] I keep a copy in my home dir [07:55] you get it from nvidia.com or from repos? [07:56] nvidia.com [07:56] Naddiseo: thats normal [07:56] K, good. [07:56] it has to rebuild the kernel modules [07:56] since your not using ubuntus l-r-m package [07:56] Naddiseo: use ubuntu packages [07:56] I should probably look at the build logs, it gives me errors about no symlink to a glx module [07:56] it will ease your pain a lot [07:57] lol, do they have the same performance? [07:57] let me know if you get a 6200 and up set up properly [07:57] they are the same ... but its taken care that you don't mess up anything by installing them [07:57] Ok, what are the packages called? [07:57] the nvidia-glx ones? [07:58] you have restricted in your sources.list ? [07:58] Yeah [07:58] what does uname -a give you? [07:58] Naddiseo: nvidia-glx-new [07:58] Linux richard-64 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Fri Apr 13 20:39:41 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux [07:59] glx-new is the 9755 drivers [07:59] Ok, [07:59] -glx is the 9631 iirc [07:59] install nvidia-restricted-modules-SOMETHING [07:59] because of the geforce4 cards not being supported by new drivers [07:59] sorry [07:59] linux-restricted-modules [08:00] Naddiseo: run the uninstall on the nvidia.sh first [08:00] k [08:00] you will get cant find kernel modules if you dont [08:00] or API mismatch [08:00] probably installing nvidia-glx(-new) will automatically install the kernel module [08:01] asac_the_2nd: not if you leave the nvidia.sh ones in [08:01] I think I have the restricted ones already [08:01] gnomefreak: yes might be [08:01] they will install but you can use them iirc [08:01] took me 4 days to figure out how to remove the script nvidia drivers [08:02] lol [08:02] yeah uninsatlling nvidia stuff is the only way to get rid of them :) [08:02] Naddiseo: ther eis no instructions anywhere for sh nvidia.sh uninstall [08:02] Yeah there is.. [08:02] sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9755-pkg2.run --advanced-options [08:03] yes its in the script not on a link anywhere unless that has changed since edgy alphs2 [08:03] alpha [08:03] linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic or linux-restricted-modules-amd64-generic? [08:03] Naddiseo: you using 64 [08:03] Yes [08:04] Naddiseo: ;) [08:04] K [08:04] i would try both [08:04] :) [08:04] install them both it will choose :) === gnomefreak would think the amd64 but i dont use 64bit [08:05] K, they're both installed. Now for the nvidia-glx-new ? [08:05] run uninstall script for nvidia.sh and try to start X === gnomefreak would reboot [08:05] k [08:06] it doesnt make a difference just preffernece [08:06] should I start beryl on reboot? [08:06] if you want to use it [08:06] k [08:06] Naddiseo: you might want to make sure drivers work first [08:06] good point [08:07] k, back in a min [08:07] hint 7300 cards are a bitch to set up (atleast i get 3-4 complaints a day on it [08:07] they always come in pairs :( === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === Naddiseo [n=richard@d199-126-254-166.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:11] Mm, X gave me an error about version mismatch [08:11] asked me to reinstall nvidia [08:11] probably something has not been uninstalled nvidia [08:12] possibly [08:12] which shows why its so bad to run nvidia installer :/ [08:13] make sure the nvidia built restricted modules uninstalled [08:13] How? [08:14] Naddiseo: good question. there is a way but the api mismatch tells me its still installed [08:14] Mm, it said the uninstallation was succesful [08:14] or the -generic and amd64-generic are conflicting (but i dont know if they would) [08:15] yet I'm stuck on command line [08:15] Naddiseo: you have to reload nvidia module ? [08:15] did you reboot? or just restart X ? [08:15] the -generic was already installed, the amd64 was the only new one [08:15] at first I restarted X and it was ok, then I rebooted [08:15] get rid of the 64 bit one [08:15] k [08:16] removed [08:16] if that gives same error reinstall that one uninstall the other one [08:16] should I reboot? [08:16] sudo /etc/init.d gdm restart should work [08:16] k [08:16] or am i missing a dir in there :( [08:16] wow [08:16] it worked [08:16] oh [08:16] but [08:16] the resolution is like 2000x2000 [08:16] /etc/init.d/gdm restart [08:17] and refresh rate is like 50hz [08:17] Naddiseo: thats some tweeks in your xorg.conf [08:17] yeah [08:17] Naddiseo: check with #ubuntu-effects for that [08:17] K, once I logged in it went back to my good resolution === gnomefreak almost positive pricechaild would know but dont ask him directly as he might be busy [08:18] pricechild even [08:18] K [08:18] brb, Just going onto xchat in gdm === Naddiseo [n=Naddiseo@d199-126-254-166.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:19] asac_the_2nd: im wondering if we should go through the wishlist bugs and see if we can implement them in gutsy or close them? [08:20] reason i ask before release that way we can push them in early release and we get better testing at that point other than throwing them in mid release [08:20] yeah we should go through them and sort things out [08:21] lets do that once feisty is out [08:21] plus im thinking there are 100+ of them but looking now [08:21] k [08:21] Mm, I think I'm using nv [08:21] e.g. starting in two weeks [08:21] gnomefreak: 100+ ? [08:21] we only have 660 bugs open [08:21] with about 500 crashes :) [08:21] oh thats it? === gnomefreak remebers 800+ bugs === hjmf is being busy :) [08:22] maybe ... but minus dups we are currently at 650 [08:22] i saw [08:22] hjmf: great work [08:22] im searching for wishlist atm [08:22] the day before yesterday there were > 750 [08:22] hjmf: great work is right [08:23] ty :) [08:23] you probably brought the list down from 750 last weak :) [08:23] yeah [08:23] i recognized that [08:23] a great surprise [08:23] 647 atm [08:23] asac: Ive seen you've work today too ;) [08:23] oh there are 47 wishlistd [08:23] hjmf: not much :) [08:24] asac_the_2nd: you spammed my box too [08:24] ;P [08:24] :) [08:24] current count is 648 results === gnomefreak did like 20 bugs this week :( [08:25] without hiding dupes we have [08:25] 1241 results [08:25] :-P [08:25] there are still a lot that should be closed for lack of info [08:25] hell we have what 90 dupes of the theme bug on edgy [08:25] yeah ... most of the older ones [08:25] i guess anything with bugid < 75000 [08:26] is suspect to be closed [08:26] >170 dupes for gtk issue [08:26] yeah :) [08:26] or :( [08:26] oh shit [08:26] on feisty we got rid of it [08:26] mostly [08:26] hjmf: really= [08:26] good [08:26] i dont see us getting rid of it on edgy [08:26] we fixed parts of it ... so good news [08:26] gnomefreak: we won't [08:27] ah ... maybe we will once we have fixed everything [08:27] you have a party [08:27] asac_the_2nd: hjmf your both good on may 1 1800utc meeting? [08:28] to me is OK [08:28] may 1 is public holiday here [08:28] oh crap [08:28] if weather is good i might be at sea [08:29] but 2000 .... its probably ok [08:29] ok well doesnt look like anything new on agenda anyway they are all defrerred so we can always defer them again [08:29] asac_the_2nd: ill talk to the fridge people about changing it after i send email out with time date change [08:30] ill do it later in week. [08:30] gnomefreak: [08:30] no [08:30] its ok i guess [08:30] 1800 UTC is 2000 here [08:30] so should work [08:30] tonight and tomorrow we are supposed to be hit hard by a storm so i may be gone [08:30] gnomefreak: good luck :) [08:30] asac_the_2nd: ok cool just let me know. i would hate to ask you to work on day off === Naddiseo [n=Naddiseo@d199-126-254-166.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:31] meeting is no real work :) [08:31] oops right 1may is holiday here too [08:31] true [08:31] nvidia-glx-new gives me a version mismatch too. [08:31] its labor day for mexico and may day whatever that is [08:31] Naddiseo: probably as on other channel [08:32] we are focussed and mozilla and don't support nvidia troubles so much ... so probably we are not the best to ask :( [08:32] Naddiseo: i would bother them in #ubuntu-effects [08:32] for me things usually just work [08:32] Ok, so that rendering issue is beryl and not firefox ?:p [08:32] they are best place for video support belive it or not since they rely on video working :) [08:32] but I don't install things the non ubuntu way [08:32] right [08:33] 100% positive its beryl [08:33] OK [08:33] is london nice? in august/oct. [08:34] It's ok. Not the best city in England :p [08:34] gnomefreak: i guess london is never nice for sure === gnomefreak never been [08:34] you might get a week of rain [08:34] same as here in germany [08:35] thats ick [08:35] Yeah, it always rains in the UK, I'm glad I moved [08:35] and aussie land is gonna be hot than [08:35] no [08:35] australia has winter then [08:35] no [08:35] oh yes [08:35] end of winter [08:35] for sure :) [08:35] more like start of spring [08:36] Canada has a winter -_- It's just over this past few days [08:36] cause its end of summer early fall here [08:36] gnomefreak: anyway ... not hot if you compare with january [08:36] gnomefreak: you plan holidays? === gnomefreak was invited to go make 2 stops in london than off to aussie land and than to phenox az [08:37] thats not spelled right [08:37] oh well its in us no big deal === ShakaGoldSaint [i=eleazar@190.37.0.240] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:37] it makes for a long end of year since its one stop after another === ShakaGoldSaint [i=eleazar@190.37.0.240] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam ["Saliendo"] === crdlb [n=crdlb@pool-70-106-18-142.norf.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:38] well we shall see [08:38] gnomefreak: probably :) [08:38] guess a nice trip [08:38] except the long flights [08:38] asac_the_2nd: feel free to go for me :) === gnomefreak has to renew passport too than [08:39] have fun with fingerprints :) [08:39] crdlb: i sent him there [08:39] :) [08:40] 7300 is a bitch to set up and i know #ubuntu-effects handles vidfeo cards better than #ubuntu+1 ;) [08:40] :p [08:41] anything about 6200 (not counting the 9755 drivers) have been hell since they were put on selves [08:42] s/about/above [08:42] asac_the_2nd: if i get things done around the house today and storms hold off for a while i might play in the early reported bugs [08:44]