[11:42] <gnomefreak> asac: if you get a chance let me know what i need to do about the libnss and the rest of those libs for iceape. so far iceape has had 0 crashes and would like to test the libnss lib... and so on a little before tool chain opens for gutsy. (is it as simple as changing debian/control to list those libs as depends?)
[01:54] <asac_the_2nd> hi :) ... my system somehow failed to update dyndns entry so I am locked out ;)
[02:25] <asac_the_2nd> ola
[02:25] <asac_the_2nd> finally back  :)
[05:59] <flox> hello
[06:00] <flox> i hv segfault with Sunbird on Edgy
[06:01] <flox> but it works when launched as root (sudo)
[06:03] <flox> is it the right place to ask for help?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> flox: you might want to try #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org
[06:47] <gnomefreak> unless freenode has a mozilla channel
[06:47] <flox> gnomefreak: thanks
[06:47] <gnomefreak> ubuntu doesnt package sunbird
[06:48] <gnomefreak> why does he pm me all his bugs :(
[06:48] <flox> channel #mozilla does not hv many people on freenode
[06:48] <flox> will try on irc.mozilla.org
[06:48] <gnomefreak> i think thats the server
[06:50] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: feisty system?
[06:51] <gnomefreak> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist  <<< liar
[07:11] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: no sarge
[07:11] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:12] <asac_the_2nd> bad thing i have a cloak
[07:12] <asac_the_2nd> otherwise i could see ip ;)
[07:12] <asac_the_2nd> hmm
[07:13] <asac_the_2nd> lets see
[07:13] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: did you try /ns ghost asac password
[07:13] <gnomefreak> than /nick asac
[07:13] <asac_the_2nd> no
[07:13] <asac_the_2nd> what would that do?
[07:13] <gnomefreak> ghost will kill asac
[07:13] <gnomefreak> so you can chage to it
[07:13] <asac_the_2nd> actually i am not bothered with my nick :)
[07:13] <asac_the_2nd> i want my ip to log in ;)
[07:14] <asac_the_2nd> and do other stuff like reading mail :(
[07:14] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:15] <asac_the_2nd> great :)
[07:15] <asac_the_2nd> i am in
[07:18] <asac_the_2nd> which?
[07:18] <gnomefreak> oh i dont know like "why doesnt google work" or "why cant i install enigmail"
[07:19] <gnomefreak> there was aother one i found but i cant think of it atm
[07:19] <asac_the_2nd> ah ... yeah ... you see how many people downloaded?
[07:19] <gnomefreak> no
[07:19] <gnomefreak> i know of like 5
[07:19] <gnomefreak> besides me
[07:19] <asac_the_2nd> yeah ... i guess there are some more
[07:20] <gnomefreak> we need to get it in update-alternatives
[07:20] <asac_the_2nd> but those are rather power-users that might not wonder about google search
[07:20] <gnomefreak> i guess that will come with official build
[07:20] <asac_the_2nd> update-alternatives?
[07:20] <asac_the_2nd> you mean for x-www-browser?
[07:20] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: yep :)
[07:20] <gnomefreak> it might be there
[07:20] <asac_the_2nd> yes thats true
[07:20] <gnomefreak> but its not in system>prefferences
[07:20] <asac_the_2nd> no i didn't install it so far
[07:20] <gnomefreak> oops
[07:21] <gnomefreak> perfered apps
[07:21] <asac_the_2nd> yes ... system -> preferences we need to add a hack to gnome-control-center
[07:21] <gnomefreak> hack not a patch :)
[07:21] <asac_the_2nd> yeah :)
[07:21] <asac_the_2nd> probably the same
[07:21] <asac_the_2nd> its not a hack as its the official way to do it
[07:21] <gnomefreak> cool
[07:22] <asac_the_2nd> anyway, changing gnome-control-center for each app that provides http:// is a hack imo
[07:22] <gnomefreak> need to add libnss and friends and add that for g-c-c
[07:22] <asac_the_2nd> cool i received mail today from apr 4
[07:23] <gnomefreak> that was a week and ahalf ago
[07:23] <asac_the_2nd> mt-needretrace :)
[07:24] <asac_the_2nd> is network manager fixed for you now?
[07:24] <gnomefreak> yes
[07:24] <gnomefreak> i used the test build for it
[07:24] <gnomefreak> before it hit repos
[07:26] <gnomefreak> when you scroll it doesn't redraw properly
[07:26] <asac_the_2nd> hope thats not firefox?
[07:26] <gnomefreak> http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Demos
[07:26] <gnomefreak> it is
[07:27] <gnomefreak> x86_64
[07:27] <gnomefreak> thats the link
[07:27] <gnomefreak> feisty
[07:27] <gnomefreak> well it shows up fine here
[07:28] <asac_the_2nd> for me too ... on edgy though
[07:28] <Naddiseo> Hello
[07:29] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: ok now you get a scroll bar?
[07:29] <Naddiseo> I'd take a screen shot, but it forces ff to redraw the page again
[07:30] <Naddiseo> It's like it lags when it's redrawing the bar
[07:30] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Demos is the link?
[07:31] <Naddiseo> yes
[07:31] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: is your firefox maximized?
[07:31] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: did you get a scroll bar on that link?
[07:31] <Naddiseo> yes
[07:32] <Naddiseo> My resolution is 1024x768
[07:32] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: where?
[07:32] <gnomefreak> http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Demos
[07:33] <asac_the_2nd> yeah i know that .... but what do you mean by scrollbar
[07:33] <asac_the_2nd> for me all fitted in default size
[07:33] <gnomefreak> im assuming the right hand bar
[07:33] <gnomefreak> its fitted here to
[07:33] <asac_the_2nd> and when i resized firefox it shows up properly
[07:33] <Naddiseo> does ubuntu have a pastebin for iamges?
[07:33] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: no
[07:33] <Naddiseo> k
[07:33] <asac_the_2nd> use imageshack.u
[07:33] <asac_the_2nd> s
[07:33] <asac_the_2nd> or something
[07:33] <gnomefreak> maybe theme?
[07:34] <Naddiseo> I'm using dfault theme
[07:34] <Naddiseo> using beryl though
[07:34] <gnomefreak> depending on extenstion to tool bar he has?
[07:34] <Naddiseo> Mm
[07:34] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: try it without beryl
[07:34] <Naddiseo> K
[07:34] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: stop beryl from starting up automaticly restart X
[07:34] <Naddiseo> Lol
[07:35] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: do you see scrollbars if you make firefox really small?
[07:35] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: im head of ubutnu-effects team
[07:35] <gnomefreak> these things i have to know
[07:35] <Naddiseo> Mm, it looks to be beryl..
[07:35] <Naddiseo> Let me just restart X though
[07:36] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[07:37] <Naddiseo> Ok, it's working fine when beryl isn't on
[07:38] <asac_the_2nd> wierd thing
[07:38] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo:  you still can provide me with a screenshot?
[07:38] <Naddiseo> Not of the bug, taking a screenshot redraws the window
[07:38] <Naddiseo> but I can show you
[07:39] <Naddiseo> the window from what I saw
[07:39] <Naddiseo> that didn't make sense :p
[07:40] <Naddiseo> http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w187/Naddiseo/Screenshot-1.png
[07:40] <Naddiseo> I drew a red circle around the bar
[07:41] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: brain teaser: mozilla ships firefox with pango enabled ubuntu ships it enabled also disabling pango makes ff render faster (why?) why is pango so important to it
[07:42] <gnomefreak> i dont see any downside/side-effects to disabling pango
[07:43] <Naddiseo> Isn't pango what draws all the text?
[07:43] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: text still draws without pango
[07:44] <Naddiseo> Oh..
[07:46] <asac_the_2nd> pango is good
[07:46] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: are you using beryl from feisty repo or from beryl.ubuntu repo?
[07:46] <asac_the_2nd> better for multi lang
[07:47] <Naddiseo> beryl repo I think
[07:47] <asac_the_2nd> afaik we disable it for locales that don't need pango
[07:47] <gnomefreak> ah that makes sence than
[07:47] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: english doesnt need it and its enabled iirc
[07:47] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: hold on a sec,
[07:47] <Naddiseo> http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org
[07:47] <asac_the_2nd> we have
[07:47] <Naddiseo> that repo
[07:47] <asac_the_2nd> if [ "x${MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO}" = x ] ; then
[07:47] <asac_the_2nd>     if egrep '^(bn|gu|hi|kn|ml|mr|ne|pa|si|ta|te)_' \
[07:47] <asac_the_2nd>         /var/lib/locales/supported.d/*[^~]  >/dev/null 2>&1; then
[07:47] <asac_the_2nd>         MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=0
[07:47] <asac_the_2nd>     else
[07:47] <asac_the_2nd>         MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1
[07:47] <asac_the_2nd>     fi
[07:48] <asac_the_2nd>     export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO
[07:48] <asac_the_2nd> fi
[07:48] <gnomefreak> oh that is fairly new than
[07:48] <asac_the_2nd> so if you have non of the above installed you should not get pango
[07:48] <Naddiseo> Man, I wish I could help you guys write ff ^^ My C++ sucks though
[07:48] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: it does not depend what locale you currently run under, but what locale is installed at all
[07:48] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: on
[07:48] <gnomefreak> oh
[07:49] <asac_the_2nd> so remove everything from your supported languages should disable pango if i see it correctly
[07:49] <asac_the_2nd> btw, those lines are from edgy ... so not that new
[07:49] <asac_the_2nd> maybe look in /usr/bin/firefox if that statements exists there as well
[07:49] <asac_the_2nd> i have no feisty at hand atm
[07:51] <gnomefreak> yep same here
[07:52] <asac_the_2nd> k
[07:52] <asac_the_2nd> its not there
[07:53] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: ati card by chance?
[07:53] <Naddiseo> Nope, nvidia
[07:53] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak:  because its not set through firefox pref settings
[07:53] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: ah
[07:53] <Naddiseo> 7300gs
[07:53] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: ok ty
[07:53] <asac_the_2nd> iirc nvidia has some composite issues as well
[07:53] <asac_the_2nd> maybe you need an xorg.conf tweak?
[07:54] <Naddiseo> Mm, want me to paste my xorg.conf on pastebin?
[07:54] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: none of the normal settings affect that
[07:54] <gnomefreak> normal added settings
[07:54] <gnomefreak> although 7300 might be
[07:54] <gnomefreak> its a bitch to set up on ubuntu (lately)
[07:54] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: sorry ... i am a l00ser for composite issues ... its just that i remember haven't read something about it somewhere
[07:55] <Naddiseo> Yeah,I have to reinstall the nvidia driver after each kernel upgrade :p
[07:55] <Naddiseo> I keep a copy in my home dir
[07:55] <gnomefreak> you get it from nvidia.com or from repos?
[07:56] <Naddiseo> nvidia.com
[07:56] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: thats normal
[07:56] <Naddiseo> K, good.
[07:56] <gnomefreak> it has to rebuild the kernel modules
[07:56] <gnomefreak> since your not using ubuntus l-r-m package
[07:56] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: use ubuntu packages
[07:56] <Naddiseo> I should probably look at the build logs, it gives me errors about no symlink to a glx module
[07:56] <asac_the_2nd> it will ease your pain a lot
[07:57] <Naddiseo> lol, do they have the same performance?
[07:57] <gnomefreak> let me know if you get a 6200 and up set up properly
[07:57] <asac_the_2nd> they are the same ... but its taken care that you don't mess up anything by installing them
[07:57] <Naddiseo> Ok, what are the packages called?
[07:57] <Naddiseo> the nvidia-glx ones?
[07:58] <asac_the_2nd> you have restricted in your sources.list ?
[07:58] <Naddiseo> Yeah
[07:58] <asac_the_2nd> what does uname -a give you?
[07:58] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: nvidia-glx-new
[07:58] <Naddiseo> Linux richard-64 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Fri Apr 13 20:39:41 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:59] <gnomefreak> glx-new is the 9755 drivers
[07:59] <Naddiseo> Ok,
[07:59] <gnomefreak> -glx is the 9631 iirc
[07:59] <asac_the_2nd> install nvidia-restricted-modules-SOMETHING
[07:59] <gnomefreak> because of the geforce4 cards not being supported by new drivers
[07:59] <asac_the_2nd> sorry
[07:59] <asac_the_2nd> linux-restricted-modules
[08:00] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: run the uninstall on the nvidia.sh first
[08:00] <Naddiseo> k
[08:00] <gnomefreak> you will get cant find kernel modules if you dont
[08:00] <gnomefreak> or API mismatch
[08:00] <asac_the_2nd> probably installing nvidia-glx(-new) will automatically install the kernel module
[08:01] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: not if you leave the nvidia.sh ones in
[08:01] <Naddiseo> I think I have the restricted ones already
[08:01] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: yes might be
[08:01] <gnomefreak> they will install but you can use them iirc
[08:01] <gnomefreak> took me 4 days to figure out how to remove the script nvidia drivers
[08:02] <Naddiseo> lol
[08:02] <asac_the_2nd> yeah uninsatlling nvidia stuff is the only way to get rid of them :)
[08:02] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: ther eis no instructions anywhere for sh nvidia.sh uninstall
[08:02] <Naddiseo> Yeah there is..
[08:02] <Naddiseo> sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9755-pkg2.run --advanced-options
[08:03] <gnomefreak> yes its in the script not on a link anywhere unless that has changed since edgy alphs2
[08:03] <gnomefreak> alpha
[08:03] <Naddiseo> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic or linux-restricted-modules-amd64-generic?
[08:03] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: you using 64
[08:03] <Naddiseo> Yes
[08:04] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: ;)
[08:04] <Naddiseo> K
[08:04] <asac_the_2nd> i would try both
[08:04] <asac_the_2nd> :)
[08:04] <gnomefreak> install them both it will choose :)
[08:05] <Naddiseo> K, they're both installed. Now for the nvidia-glx-new ?
[08:05] <gnomefreak> run uninstall script for nvidia.sh and try to start X
[08:05] <Naddiseo> k
[08:06] <gnomefreak> it doesnt make a difference just preffernece
[08:06] <Naddiseo> should I start beryl on reboot?
[08:06] <gnomefreak> if you want to use it
[08:06] <Naddiseo> k
[08:06] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: you might want to make sure drivers work first
[08:06] <Naddiseo> good point
[08:07] <Naddiseo> k, back in a min
[08:07] <gnomefreak> hint 7300 cards are a bitch to set up (atleast i get 3-4 complaints a day on it
[08:07] <gnomefreak> they always come in pairs :(
[08:11] <Naddiseo> Mm, X gave me an error about version mismatch
[08:11] <Naddiseo> asked me to reinstall nvidia
[08:11] <asac_the_2nd> probably something has not been uninstalled nvidia
[08:12] <Naddiseo> possibly
[08:12] <asac_the_2nd> which shows why its so bad to run nvidia installer :/
[08:13] <gnomefreak> make sure the nvidia built restricted modules uninstalled
[08:13] <Naddiseo> How?
[08:14] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: good question. there is a way but the api mismatch tells me its still installed
[08:14] <Naddiseo> Mm, it said the uninstallation was succesful
[08:14] <gnomefreak> or the -generic and amd64-generic are conflicting (but i dont know if they would)
[08:15] <Naddiseo> yet I'm stuck on command line
[08:15] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: you have to reload nvidia module ?
[08:15] <asac_the_2nd> did you reboot? or just restart X ?
[08:15] <Naddiseo> the -generic was already installed, the amd64 was the only new one
[08:15] <Naddiseo> at first I restarted X and it was ok, then I rebooted
[08:15] <gnomefreak> get rid of the 64 bit one
[08:15] <Naddiseo> k
[08:16] <Naddiseo> removed
[08:16] <gnomefreak> if that gives same error reinstall that one uninstall the other one
[08:16] <Naddiseo> should I reboot?
[08:16] <gnomefreak> sudo /etc/init.d gdm restart should work
[08:16] <Naddiseo> k
[08:16] <gnomefreak> or am i missing a dir in there :(
[08:16] <Naddiseo> wow
[08:16] <Naddiseo> it worked
[08:16] <gnomefreak> oh
[08:16] <Naddiseo> but
[08:16] <Naddiseo> the resolution is like 2000x2000
[08:16] <gnomefreak> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:17] <Naddiseo> and refresh rate is like 50hz
[08:17] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: thats some tweeks in your xorg.conf
[08:17] <Naddiseo> yeah
[08:17] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: check with #ubuntu-effects for that
[08:17] <Naddiseo> K, once I logged in it went back to my good resolution
[08:18] <gnomefreak> pricechild even
[08:18] <Naddiseo> K
[08:18] <Naddiseo> brb, Just going onto xchat in gdm
[08:19] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: im wondering if we should go through the wishlist bugs and see if we can implement them in gutsy or close them?
[08:20] <gnomefreak> reason i ask before release that way we can  push them in early release and we get better testing at that point other than throwing them in mid release
[08:20] <asac_the_2nd> yeah we should go through them and sort things out
[08:21] <asac_the_2nd> lets do that once feisty is out
[08:21] <gnomefreak> plus im thinking there are 100+ of them but looking now
[08:21] <gnomefreak> k
[08:21] <Naddiseo> Mm, I think I'm using nv
[08:21] <asac_the_2nd> e.g. starting in two weeks
[08:21] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: 100+ ?
[08:21] <asac_the_2nd> we only have 660 bugs open
[08:21] <asac_the_2nd> with about 500 crashes :)
[08:21] <gnomefreak> oh thats it?
[08:22] <asac_the_2nd> maybe ... but minus dups we are currently at 650
[08:22] <gnomefreak> i saw
[08:22] <asac_the_2nd> hjmf: great work
[08:22] <gnomefreak> im searching for wishlist atm
[08:22] <hjmf> the day before yesterday there were > 750
[08:22] <gnomefreak> hjmf: great work is right
[08:23] <hjmf> ty :)
[08:23] <asac_the_2nd> you probably brought the list down from 750 last weak :)
[08:23] <asac_the_2nd> yeah
[08:23] <asac_the_2nd> i recognized that
[08:23] <asac_the_2nd> a great surprise
[08:23] <gnomefreak> 647 atm
[08:23] <hjmf> asac: Ive seen you've work today too ;)
[08:23] <gnomefreak> oh there are 47 wishlistd
[08:23] <asac_the_2nd> hjmf: not much :)
[08:24] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: you spammed my box too
[08:24] <gnomefreak> ;P
[08:24] <hjmf> :)
[08:24] <asac_the_2nd> current count is 648 results
[08:25] <asac_the_2nd> without hiding dupes we have
[08:25] <asac_the_2nd> 1241 results
[08:25] <asac_the_2nd> :-P
[08:25] <hjmf> there are still a lot that should be closed for lack of info
[08:25] <gnomefreak> hell we have what 90 dupes of the theme bug on edgy
[08:25] <asac_the_2nd> yeah ... most of the older ones
[08:25] <asac_the_2nd> i guess anything with bugid < 75000
[08:26] <asac_the_2nd> is suspect to be closed
[08:26] <hjmf> >170 dupes for gtk issue
[08:26] <asac_the_2nd> yeah :)
[08:26] <asac_the_2nd> or :(
[08:26] <gnomefreak> oh shit
[08:26] <hjmf> on feisty we got rid of it
[08:26] <hjmf> mostly
[08:26] <asac_the_2nd> hjmf: really=
[08:26] <asac_the_2nd> good
[08:26] <gnomefreak> i dont see us getting rid of it on edgy
[08:26] <asac_the_2nd> we fixed parts of it ... so good news
[08:26] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: we won't
[08:27] <asac_the_2nd> ah ... maybe we will once we have fixed everything
[08:27] <Naddiseo> you have a party
[08:27] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: hjmf your both good on may 1 1800utc meeting?
[08:28] <hjmf> to me is OK
[08:28] <asac_the_2nd> may 1 is public holiday here
[08:28] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[08:28] <asac_the_2nd> if weather is good i might be at sea
[08:29] <asac_the_2nd> but 2000 .... its probably ok
[08:29] <gnomefreak> ok well doesnt look like anything new on agenda anyway they are all defrerred so we can always defer them again
[08:29] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: ill talk to the fridge people about changing it after i send email out with time date change
[08:30] <gnomefreak> ill do it later in week.
[08:30] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak:
[08:30] <asac_the_2nd> no
[08:30] <asac_the_2nd> its ok i guess
[08:30] <asac_the_2nd> 1800 UTC is 2000 here
[08:30] <asac_the_2nd> so should work
[08:30] <gnomefreak> tonight and tomorrow we are supposed to be hit hard by a storm so i may be gone
[08:30] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: good luck :)
[08:30] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: ok cool just let me know. i would hate to ask you to work on day off
[08:31] <asac_the_2nd> meeting is no real work :)
[08:31] <hjmf> oops right 1may is holiday here too
[08:31] <gnomefreak> true
[08:31] <Naddiseo> nvidia-glx-new gives me a version mismatch too.
[08:31] <gnomefreak> its labor day for mexico and may day whatever that is
[08:31] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: probably as on other channel
[08:32] <asac_the_2nd> we are focussed and mozilla and don't support nvidia troubles so much ... so probably we are not the best to ask :(
[08:32] <gnomefreak> Naddiseo: i would bother them in #ubuntu-effects
[08:32] <asac_the_2nd> for me things usually just work
[08:32] <Naddiseo> Ok, so that rendering issue is beryl and not firefox ?:p
[08:32] <gnomefreak> they are best place for video support belive it or not since they rely on video working :)
[08:32] <asac_the_2nd> but I don't install things the non ubuntu way
[08:32] <gnomefreak> right
[08:33] <gnomefreak> 100% positive its beryl
[08:33] <Naddiseo> OK
[08:33] <gnomefreak> is london nice? in august/oct.
[08:34] <Naddiseo> It's ok. Not the best city in England :p
[08:34] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: i guess london is never nice for sure
[08:34] <asac_the_2nd> you might get a week of rain
[08:34] <asac_the_2nd> same as here in germany
[08:35] <gnomefreak> thats ick
[08:35] <Naddiseo> Yeah, it always rains in the UK, I'm glad I moved
[08:35] <gnomefreak> and aussie land is gonna be hot than
[08:35] <asac_the_2nd> no
[08:35] <asac_the_2nd> australia has winter then
[08:35] <gnomefreak> no
[08:35] <gnomefreak> oh yes
[08:35] <gnomefreak> end of winter
[08:35] <asac_the_2nd> for sure :)
[08:35] <asac_the_2nd> more like start of spring
[08:36] <Naddiseo> Canada has a winter -_- It's just over this past few days
[08:36] <gnomefreak> cause its end of summer early fall here
[08:36] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: anyway ... not hot if you compare with january
[08:36] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: you plan holidays?
[08:37] <gnomefreak> thats not spelled right
[08:37] <gnomefreak> oh well its in us no big deal
[08:37] <gnomefreak> it makes for a long end of year since its one stop after another
[08:38] <gnomefreak> well we shall see
[08:38] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: probably :)
[08:38] <asac_the_2nd> guess a nice trip
[08:38] <asac_the_2nd> except the long flights
[08:38] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: feel free to go for me :)
[08:39] <asac_the_2nd> have fun with fingerprints :)
[08:39] <gnomefreak> crdlb: i sent him there
[08:39] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:40] <gnomefreak> 7300 is a bitch to set up and i know #ubuntu-effects handles vidfeo cards better than #ubuntu+1 ;)
[08:40] <Naddiseo> :p
[08:41] <gnomefreak> anything about 6200 (not counting the 9755 drivers) have been hell since they were put on selves
[08:42] <gnomefreak> s/about/above
[08:42] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: if i get things done around the house today and storms hold off for a while i might play in the early reported bugs
[08:44] <Naddiseo> How did you guys get started in mozilla development, then?
[08:45] <asac_the_2nd> depends on who you ask :)
[08:46] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: i will upload firefox locale packages tomorrow late at night (hope they still will get in for feisty) .. then on monday go back to bug work again too
[08:47] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: helping mozillateam in bug work is probably a good thing to start
[08:48] <asac_the_2nd> later go and develop extensions
[08:48] <asac_the_2nd> :-D
[08:48] <Naddiseo> Ok
[08:48] <Naddiseo> How can I help then :p
[08:49] <Naddiseo> I think learning c++ is going to be part of my job requirement in the near future, but until then, what could I do to help?
[08:49] <asac_the_2nd> wait a second
[08:49] <Naddiseo> Ok
[08:49] <asac_the_2nd> maybe read this
[08:49] <asac_the_2nd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/States
[08:50] <asac_the_2nd> its about how to categorize bugs by state and tags
[08:50] <asac_the_2nd> here are quicklinks to bugs with certain tasks
[08:50] <asac_the_2nd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags
[08:52] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: once feisty is out you will maintain things like iceape et al
[08:52] <asac_the_2nd> i guess its a good start
[08:52] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: ah cool :)
[08:53] <gnomefreak> debian/rules == bash script?
[08:53] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: can you code a bit?
[08:53] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: no :)
[08:53] <Naddiseo> Yeah, I've been coding since I was 11
[08:53] <asac_the_2nd> its makefile
[08:53] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: great :)
[08:53] <asac_the_2nd> what languages can you do atm?
[08:53] <gnomefreak> lets hope hes older than 12?
[08:53] <gnomefreak> ;)
[08:53] <Naddiseo> I'm 18 :p
[08:54] <asac_the_2nd> should be enough :)
[08:54] <asac_the_2nd> you ever did javascript a bit?
[08:54] <gnomefreak> yeah thats fairly good time for C++
[08:54] <Naddiseo> Yeah, I'm learning javascript as part of the requirement for getting my new job :p
[08:55] <Naddiseo> I know some C++
[08:55] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: we would need someone who takes care to maintain some simple greasemonkey scripts
[08:55] <asac_the_2nd> (e.g. javascript)
[08:55] <gnomefreak> that would be nice
[08:55] <asac_the_2nd> so we get more efficient handling bugs
[08:55] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo:  its javascript ... and its pretty straight-forward
[08:56] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: you didnt get real far on the one script of answers did you? i forgot all about that :(
[08:56] <Naddiseo> I've read through some of the ff source, it's a very big project :p
[08:56] <Naddiseo> Ok
[08:56] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: i lost the link :) ... and didn't get to resurrecting things
[08:56] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: yeah ... its bad to start with
[08:56] <asac_the_2nd> takes about 3 years to know well  :/
[08:57] <asac_the_2nd> but good enough its modulized and you have extensions to get a better start
[08:57] <Naddiseo> wow
[08:58] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak:  do you have log history of this channel?
[08:59] <asac_the_2nd> i cannot find the greasemonkey script :(
[08:59] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: yes depending how far back
[08:59] <gnomefreak> i might still have it
[08:59] <asac_the_2nd> 2 month?
[08:59] <gnomefreak> i dont have those logs
[08:59] <asac_the_2nd> please search for greasemonkey
[08:59] <gnomefreak> if not i can get it
[08:59] <asac_the_2nd> there should be a http link somewhere
[08:59] <asac_the_2nd> it posted
[09:02] <gnomefreak> give me a few lets see if i can get it back
[09:03] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: while im looking for this can you give me an idea on what we should do with but 97429 since we dont support that extension should we close it?
[09:04] <asac_the_2nd> bug 97429
[09:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 97429 in firefox "Login hangs for Kodak Firefox plugin" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97429
[09:07] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/bugtriage.mt.user.js
[09:07] <asac_the_2nd> i guess its broken as i started once to hack around  :) ... however it should show the basics
[09:08] <asac_the_2nd> that java script gets loaded when you load sites in @include
[09:09] <Naddiseo> Is that an extension for launchpad?
[09:09] <asac_the_2nd> it might be broken ... but the idea is to add links that automatically insert bulk answers in launchpad
[09:09] <Naddiseo> ah, ok
[09:09] <asac_the_2nd> greasemonkey is an extension fore firefox
[09:09] <asac_the_2nd> and exists for epiphany as well
[09:10] <asac_the_2nd> the script itself tries to extend launchpad
[09:10] <Naddiseo> Yeah, I've tried it before (when I didn't know any javascript)
[09:10] <asac_the_2nd> i guess it won't work because the website structure has changed to new layout
[09:10] <gnomefreak> it might not work in beta
[09:10] <asac_the_2nd> i think the important part is just window.addEventListener(
[09:11] <asac_the_2nd> everything else is something I started
[09:11] <gnomefreak> http://err.no/src/lp_expandportlets.user.js  is different one
[09:11] <gnomefreak> but that is one i found so far
[09:11] <asac_the_2nd> so if you delete anything but the window.addEventListener
[09:11] <asac_the_2nd> it might work
[09:11] <Naddiseo> lol ok
[09:12] <Naddiseo> Just a sec, I need to reboot again
[09:12] <asac_the_2nd> sure
[09:16] <Naddiseo> OK, well I'm using the ubuntu nvidia drivers now ^^
[09:17] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: your link is ok
[09:17] <asac_the_2nd> http://err.no/src/
[09:17] <asac_the_2nd> there are some
[09:17] <gnomefreak> that is the one?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> on base link
[09:18] <asac_the_2nd> no
[09:18] <asac_the_2nd> there are plenty we can use to start
[09:19] <asac_the_2nd> stockreplies for instance is the one i used to start
[09:20] <asac_the_2nd> for the kodak plugin ... i will think about it ... i guess its incompatible with ours
[09:20] <asac_the_2nd> i already have on my list to contact mozilla about it
[09:20] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[09:21] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: if you want to help ... lurk on mozilla-bugs mailing list (lots of traffic) ... you will see quickly how things are processed and can help :)
[09:21] <Naddiseo> Ok
[09:22] <asac_the_2nd> after some time you get a feeling what kind of bulk answers we need
[09:22] <asac_the_2nd> so we can add them to a greasemonkey script
[09:22] <gnomefreak> kodac plugin still works in feisty
[09:22] <asac_the_2nd> i am here al weekdays and on weekend sporadically :) ... so if you have any questions, just ask :)
[09:22] <Naddiseo> lol
[09:23] <Naddiseo> Err, this may seem a noob question, how do I view a mailing list :p
[09:23] <asac_the_2nd> hmm subscribe to?
[09:23] <Naddiseo> Yeah
[09:23] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: you have an url?
[09:23] <asac_the_2nd> to subscribe to ml ?
[09:24] <gnomefreak> our list?
[09:24] <gnomefreak> the -bugs?
[09:24] <asac_the_2nd> -bugs
[09:24] <asac_the_2nd> both :)
[09:24] <asac_the_2nd> i guess wiki
[09:24] <gnomefreak> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mozillateam
[09:24] <gnomefreak> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs
[09:25] <asac_the_2nd> cool ... thanks
[09:25] <gnomefreak> yw
[09:25] <asac_the_2nd> Naddiseo: just follow links above :)
[09:25] <Naddiseo> Yup, I'm subscribing
[09:28] <asac_the_2nd> ok ... got to go (video with gf) ... cu tomorrow
[11:06] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm thunderbird 1.5.0.12 is out know i think
[11:08] <poningru> err you sure?
[11:09] <Admiral_Chicago> upstream
[11:10] <Admiral_Chicago> let me double check that
[11:11] <Admiral_Chicago> might be trunck...i'm exhausted, just woke up
[11:11] <Admiral_Chicago> bbl