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[02:01] <mhb> perhaps for gutsy we could make an exact list of "skinnable" parts of the Kubuntu UI and make them all fit into the whole Kubuntu "user experience" ... Konqueror main page, Kopete chat window, Amarok side panel etc ... what do you say to that?
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[02:12] <claydoh> mhb: that would be great, and probably not too terribly difficult,
[02:13] <claydoh> it is something I would do for myself if I had any colr/artistic sense
[02:13] <claydoh> s/colr/color
[02:14] <mhb> claydoh: getting (skilled) artists to work on it could be problematic, but stating what could be improved and how is easy
[02:14] <claydoh> yes, just going into each segment ant looking at what is 'themable'
[02:18] <claydoh> I would love for example, to see a more Kubuntu-like 'K' in the K menu graphic
[02:20] <claydoh> and k3b needs some work, though I use the laser Light Blue theme for it, it clashes with everything else :0
[02:23] <claydoh> or just look at Linux Mint's KDE......
[02:23] <claydoh> ....and do absolutely the opposite from that :)
[02:24] <claydoh> I'll make a list, maybe it would be a good starting point?
[02:25] <mhb> claydoh: sure :o)
[02:26] <claydoh> gimme some time tho, I'm only working 60+ hrs at the restaurant this week :(
[02:26] <claydoh> s/this/next
[02:26] <mhb> claydoh: no problem, perhaps use a wiki page, so we can collaborate
[02:27] <claydoh> I will,, shouldn't be to hard for me to figure out
[02:32] <nixternal> kubuntu-docs translated, packaged, tested, complete, ready (I need those of you who use something other than en to test though)
[02:32] <nixternal> and if it doesn't work, I quit :)
[02:32] <nixternal> uploading to my server now
[02:35] <mhb> nixternal: okay, last thing I do before sleep
[02:35] <mhb> nixternal: once it is there, tell me
[02:35] <nixternal> roger that, it is fairly large, so it is going to take a minute or two
[02:36] <crimsun> hmm, interesting. Konsole added to a default current Ubuntu install has crisp, antialiased fonts whereas gnome-terminal has blurry ones.
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[02:37] <crimsun> goooo Qt.
[02:37] <nixternal> hehe
[02:37] <nixternal> yes
[02:37] <nixternal> recompiling qt to point to the correct $DBUSDIR
[02:37] <nixternal> hopefully that will get KDE 4 running in Xephyr
[02:52] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/docs/kubuntu/7.04-6/
[02:52] <nixternal> there is a .deb in there for you
[02:53] <nixternal> if it is broken, I don't know what to do, that took 8 hours to build
[02:54] <mhb> thanks, .deb arrived
[02:55] <mhb> firefox homepage is still pure text, is that correct?
[02:55] <mhb> nixternal: I thought you mentioned some css
[02:56] <mhb> good news everyone, especially nixternal
[02:57] <mhb> kubuntu-docs seem to be as translated as they could be
[02:58] <nixternal> so the docs are working? just not the firefox homepage?
[02:59] <nixternal> I think it is the silly linking that might be causing the css issue
[02:59] <nixternal> maybe linking the common/ dir to the /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/ will fix that
[03:00] <nixternal> I know there are a few languages that didn't receive full translation, but that is due to Rosetta opening late I think
[03:00] <mhb> ah I see the issue
[03:00] <mhb> kubuntu.css is one level higher than it should be
[03:01] <mhb> ubuntu.css too, but Ubuntu folks have a symlink for that
[03:01] <nixternal> OK, I will do a symlink for that and the images as well
[03:01] <nixternal> that should be a rather easy fix
[03:01] <mhb> but the documentation seem to be working great
[03:01] <nixternal> mhb: is the firefox startpage translated?
[03:01] <nixternal> what language btw?
[03:02] <mhb> nixternal: not here, I didn't find the time to send you the translation :o)
[03:02] <nixternal> OK
[03:03] <mhb> yum yum, symlink fixes it
[03:04] <nixternal> hehe
[03:05] <nixternal> that is an easy rules hack for that one
[03:05] <mhb> good
[03:05] <nixternal> the images are working?
[03:06] <nixternal> so there doesn't need to be any imagery hackery
[03:06] <mhb> yes, but I symlinked the images dir as well
[03:06] <nixternal> OK, you had to symlink them one up?
[03:06] <mhb> nixternal: eh?
[03:07] <mhb> nixternal: both have to be symlinked, or the images don't work
[03:07] <nixternal> for images, did you have symlink them to the home/ directory?
[03:07] <mhb> yes
[03:08] <mhb> symlink images/ and kubuntu.css into home/ and it works
[03:08] <nixternal> so you did 'ln -s /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/images /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/images'
[03:08] <nixternal> rock on!
[03:08] <nixternal> thanks
[03:08] <nixternal> postinstall will fix that then
[03:09] <nixternal> OK, so I have the links in postinst
[03:10] <mhb> that's what I did
[03:12] <mhb> I bid thee goodnight
[03:12] <firephoto> is this just with translated stuff? firefox start page seems ok here. it's using file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[03:13] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, one comment more though
[03:13] <nixternal> what's that?
[03:14] <mhb> nixternal: what happens when there exists a translated version of the firefox start page?
[03:14] <mhb> does one get redirected to file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/kindex-de.html ?
[03:14] <nixternal> it should switch over, but I had to switch index* to kindex* as to not conflict with ubuntu
[03:15] <nixternal> mhb: it should link usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html to the locale-kubuntu/kindex-de.html
[03:15] <nixternal> I think this perl script needs to be hacked for that to work correctly
[03:15] <nixternal> thank god I suck at perl ;)
[03:17] <mhb> when I reconfigure kubuntu-docs, it says "Using /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/kfirefox-index.html for 'firefox-homepage'
[03:17] <mhb> but when I start firefox, it redirects me to
[03:17] <mhb> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-cs_CZ.html
[03:17] <mhb> which has no css
[03:18] <nixternal> so you are being redirected to the correct translation supposedly
[03:18] <nixternal> the css and the images just need to be linked up one level
[03:19] <mhb> nixternal: if one is to view /home/locales/*.html files correctly, the css has to be linked up one level for them
[03:19] <nixternal> OK, that is fixed here locally in a postinst in debian/
[03:19] <mhb> the file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/kfirefox-index.html works fine (after the symlinking)
[03:20] <nixternal> I think the firefox translation perl script needs to be hacked as well
[03:20] <nixternal> I will have to read through it, as I need the kindex-*.html to link correctly to the index-*.html
[03:21] <nixternal> OK, dinner is here, I will work on it in a bit
[03:21] <nixternal> thanks for checking though
[03:22] <nixternal> ar, de, es, eu, fi, fr, ku, sv, and ta are the available translated ff homepages
[03:22] <nixternal> so if anyone here has feisty and that locale, please test :) thank you
[03:23] <nixternal> I am sure the firefox links are going to be an issue until I can figure out that perl script
[03:23] <nixternal> k, back in a few
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[04:14] <jsgotangco> nixternal: wow chicago got the 2016 olympics
[04:14] <jsgotangco> oh wait wrong
[04:18] <nixternal> not yet
[04:20] <crimsun> you can bet if it does that Rich will be touting Vista there.
[04:30] <nixternal> haha
[04:30] <nixternal> I won't be living in Chicago then I hope
[04:33] <nixternal> wo0t, uploading the kubuntu-docs package
[04:33] <nixternal> that's it for Feisty, I am done
[04:33] <nixternal> thanks for all the fish!
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[04:44] <claydoh> mhb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTheming
[04:44] <claydoh> my feeble beginnings before bedtime
[04:54] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/docs/kubuntu/7.04-6/   <-- kubuntu-docs package ready to rock and roll
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[06:11] <nixternal> workin' for Google?
[06:11] <nixternal> I doubt it, he hates the place :)
[06:11] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[06:12] <nixternal> kubuntu-docs, 8 hour build time
[06:12] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal!
[06:12] <nixternal> and 1 simple fix for translated firefox pages...woohoo
[06:12] <Hobbsee> nixternal: http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/google-to-buy-admanagement-company/2007/04/14/1175971402439.html
[06:12] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[06:13] <nixternal> heh, didn't he leave doubleclick or did he just go back to them?
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[06:16] <nixternal> manchicken: do you work for doubleclick?
[06:16] <manchicken> You mean google? :P
[06:16] <manchicken> Not anymore.
[06:17] <nixternal> ok, you just left there for the new job
[06:17] <nixternal> couldnt remember if it was vice versa or not
[06:17] <manchicken> Yeah
[06:19] <nixternal> I have KDE 4 built, I can run all of the apps in Xephyr, but I cannot run KDE 4
[06:19] <nixternal> I keep getting D-Bus errors
[06:19] <manchicken> Xephyr?
[06:19] <nixternal> ya, kind of like X in X
[06:20] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i dont know
[06:20] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:20] <manchicken> Ah.
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[07:13] <nixternal> anyone have issues with kdesu?
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[07:27] <atypic> nixternal: such as..?
[07:29] <nixternal> it doesn't work
[07:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: does it work if you run it twice?
[07:31] <nixternal> why yes it does
[07:31] <Hobbsee> oh, that bug
[07:54] <nixternal> jsgotangco: just left me hanging
[07:54] <nixternal> talking to myself
[07:54] <jsgotangco> cool the logs will catch it though
[07:54] <nixternal> heh
[07:54] <jsgotangco> :)
[07:54] <nixternal> there are no logs, you left the channel
[07:57] <Hobbsee> nixternal: there's a bug filed.  only seems to happen some of hte time
[07:57] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ya, I am the "some of the time" :)
[07:57] <Hobbsee> :)
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[07:57] <nixternal> I hardly ever use it, so that is why I never notice it
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[02:03] <jovan> hello today i have do an update but everything goes wrong with fonts cannot write to cache have anybody a workaround
[02:05] <jovan> ?
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[03:43] <nixternal> mornin'
[03:45] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal!
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[03:52] <mhb> hi nixternal, enjoying a kubuntu-free Sunday?
[03:59] <nixternal> of course :)
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[05:36] <Hobbsee> seele: how far did you get with the graphical grub menu editor thing, btw?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> weren't you working on it, a while ago?
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[05:42] <Hobbsee> hi mhb :)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> mhb: oh, were you the one who was writing it?
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[05:42] <mhb> to be honest, yes
[05:43] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:43] <mhb> it had trouble with the update-grub scripts, which reorder the menu items automatically, so it was deferred for feisty
[05:43] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:43] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[05:44] <mhb> and I'm having some important exams in the very near future, so there's not as much free time as I'd like
[05:44] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[05:44] <fdoving> mhb: do you have the source online anywhere?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> was just curious
[05:45] <mhb> fdoving: it's a part of guidance, so yes
[05:45] <fdoving> kdesvn?
[05:45] <mhb> fdoving: yes
[05:45] <fdoving> ok.
[05:45] <fdoving> in trunk or in a branch?
[05:46] <mhb> trunk
[05:48] <mhb> fdoving: I have to check where it is, as guidance may have moved in the meantime
[05:48] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, seele instigated the idea of it at UDS-MTV, but no code :)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ah
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[05:48] <imbrandon> i cant make this one :( i'll be in portland and boston though
[05:48] <mhb> fdoving: and the code was not particularly clean, as I tried to finish it in time and then realized it's no use
[05:49] <imbrandon> ubuntu live and UDS-Boston
[05:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you suck.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you should come to seville anyway :P
[05:49] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, no just broke, and no canonical sponsor this time :)
[05:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: awww :(
[05:50] <imbrandon> :)
[05:50] <jsgotangco> heh
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[05:50] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: that means you're not in spain either?
[05:50] <jjesse> is the next uds in boston?
[05:51] <imbrandon> yall need to come to Ubuntu Live too
[05:51] <imbrandon> jjesse, yes
[05:51] <jjesse> that will be for gibbon + 1
[05:51] <jsgotangco> jjesse: yup, we look into the extreme future
[05:51] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: i can start swimming tomorrow if you want
[05:51] <imbrandon> lol
[05:51] <jjesse> i'm already planning on getting boss approval
[05:51] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: great :)
[05:52] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: then i wont have to use my Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  on you
[05:52] <jjesse> i saw this link from google maps on directions from london to new york and one of the steps was to swim the atlantic
[05:52] <imbrandon> lol yea, i seen that too
[05:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:53] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[05:54] <jjesse> do a search for directions from london, uk to new york city
[05:54] <imbrandon> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=new+york,+ny&daddr=london,+uk&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.638819,90.791016&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=4&ll=46.13417,-36.123047&spn=33.876679,90.791016&om=1
[05:54] <imbrandon> step #23
[05:54] <jsgotangco> swimming to the atlantic ain't too bad compared to doing the pacific and the indian oceans combined
[05:54] <fdoving> mhb: ouch, it's python.
[05:55] <jjesse> only 3,462 miles
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[05:55] <jsgotangco> lol at #23
[05:55] <jjesse> why can't i do driving directions from new york to toyko?
[05:55] <nixternal> hahahaha
[05:55] <nixternal> nice
[05:56] <jsgotangco> google should talk to airlines about grabbing tickets to destinations for ads
[05:56] <mhb> fdoving: did you find it? can you tell me the location on SVN? I'm lost for some reason :o)
[05:57] <imbrandon> fdoving, nothing wrong with python :)
[05:57] <jsgotangco> i guess in plane-sense ny to london wold be a direct flight?
[05:57] <fdoving> mhb: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/guidance/ or svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdereview/guidance
[05:57] <fdoving> imbrandon: i don't do python, so for me everything is wrong with it.
[05:59] <nixternal> hehe
[05:59] <nixternal> Python makes a lot of tasks nice, and actually some pretty damn good apps
[06:00] <fdoving> sure, but i still don't know how to program anything with it :)
[06:00] <fdoving> except maybe a hello world.
[06:00] <nixternal> fdoving: hahahaha
[06:00] <fdoving> i am the problem, not python.
[06:00] <nixternal> I have been learning it, although learning it with GTK binding
[06:00] <nixternal> cbx33 told me to get this book, and that I did
[06:01] <jsgotangco> what's this book?
[06:01] <fdoving> thinkcspy?
[06:01] <nixternal> although I think the best books I have bought are the Qt4/C++ design books
[06:01] <fdoving> i should get one of those.
[06:01] <nixternal> Beginning Python (wrox pub)
[06:02] <nixternal> C++ GUI Programming with Qt4 is good, and so is the Bruce Perans book 'An Introduction to Design Patterns in C++ with Qt4'
[06:02] <nixternal> Bruce Perens series rather, not his book
[06:02] <nixternal> both are pub'd by Prentice Hall
[06:03] <nixternal> it works out great with my C++ courses at the uni as well
[06:03] <fdoving> i like doc.trolltech.com and englishbreakfastnework.org,  some api.kde.org and developer.kde.org, and techbase.kde.org :)
[06:03] <nixternal> ebn is my hero!
[06:03] <nixternal> fdoving: also you can subscribe to the trolltech tutorials as well
[06:03] <nixternal> or newsletters. they have a lot of great stuff in there
[06:04] <fdoving> i'm subscribed to qt-interest and a bunch of kde lists.
[06:04] <nixternal> heh, the one thing I don't miss about debian is the lack of the 'latest and greatest'
[06:04] <fdoving> i don't lack the information, i lack the time. :)
[06:04] <nixternal> fdoving: same here :)
[06:05] <nixternal> kde-dev lists are great, and thanks to strigi they are even greater when it comes to searching them
[06:06] <nixternal> is it me, or do the kde 4 apidox take the longest to generate?
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[06:07] <fdoving> don't know. haven't watched it do that.
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[09:33] <_StefanS_> hi there
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[09:57] <ScottK> fdoving: Dunno if you're been following the klamav patch you did, but I've gotten multiple good reports of the new version NOT crashing.  Thanks again.
[09:58] <fdoving> ScottK: nice. thank suse, they and you did all the work :)
[09:59] <nixternal> fdoving: it seems my dbus issues are a known bug
[09:59] <fdoving> nixternal: oh. good.. in a way :)
[10:00] <nixternal> I can start most apps, now I have KDevelop set to my KDE4 dev user. I am ready to rock and roll. gemme a project now! :)
[10:00] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, a project you say?
[10:00] <nixternal> hehe
[10:01] <mhb> how about packaging the impossible = KDE4 for Feisty?
[10:01] <nixternal> you have your own project, no pawning that off!
[10:01] <nixternal> mhb: already done :)
[10:01] <mhb> really?
[10:01] <nixternal> yes, it is in universe
[10:01] <nixternal> hehe
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[10:01] <nixternal> well the last dev snapshot is
[10:01] <mhb> good
[10:02] <atypic> Since the bugs seems fixed, I was thinking about starting on the TODO-list of klamav..
[10:02] <nixternal> bugs fixed??? it is buggy as all heck here
[10:03] <fdoving> atypic: that would be cool, have you been in touch with upstream?
[10:03] <atypic> fdoving: yah, seems very keen on the "CLEAN UP CODE"-bit :] 
[10:03] <atypic> and the "exclude directories"-thingy
[10:04] <fdoving> sounds reasonable :)
[10:05] <ScottK> atypic: Also look and see if it's calling freshclam in no-daemon mode.  I don't think it is and it should.
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[12:05] <Tm_T> hmh, anyone know if there is/was some kind of expokit for marketing
=== Tm_T is starting real marketing project in LoCo
[12:05] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe there's channel for that...
[12:12] <Riddell> loco channel?
[12:12] <mhb> Tm_T: or marketing channel?
[12:12] <Tm_T> -marketing yes
[12:12] <Riddell> yes
[12:12] <Tm_T> I'm there now
[12:12] <mhb> Tm_T: but there is an expo kit
[12:12] <Riddell> ask kubuntu-de types where the kubuntu poster stand is
[12:12] <Tm_T> mhb: yup vut can't find it now
[12:12] <Tm_T> mhb: remember where that was?
[12:12] <mhb> Tm_T: I know my fellow LoCo member asked Canonical about one