[12:12] <ses> any good links for installing nvidia drivers
[12:13] <ffm> Whold my Konsole issues be a Bug, or a Crash?
[12:13] <ffm> On KDE Bug tracker.
[12:13] <mrigns> !nvidia | ses
[12:13] <ubotu> ses: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:17] <ses> i'll give it a try now i know how to get back my desktop :)
[12:18] <felzix> ffm: bug
[12:20] <Edulix> hi
[12:20] <Arwen> and here I am trying to explain to a blockhead in ##windows that open source and free software are not the same thing...
[12:21] <dwidmann> has anybody in here (by chance) played with pdnsd before? I'm having a bit of difficulty configuring it (properly)
[12:23] <ericsson> buhu...[01:22]  [Error]  #my_own_little_retreat_for_conflicting_thoughts is currently unavailable.
[12:33] <ericsson> ericsson
[12:33] <maki> any how-to for removing the loading screen
[12:35] <felzix> maki: Do you mean the splashscreen?
[12:35] <maki> yes
[12:35] <maki> but not on kde
[12:35] <felzix> oh
[12:36] <felzix> gnome?
[12:36] <Daisuke-Ido> usplash
[12:36] <Daisuke-Ido> system boot
[12:36] <maki> yes the system boot screen on kubuntu
[12:38] <Daisuke-Ido> boot up manager?
[12:38] <maki> what you mean
[12:38] <Daisuke-Ido> one minute, i'm going to check something :)
[12:38] <triton> how do you disable the startup feedback (aka bouncing cursor) in feisty?
[12:40] <Daisuke-Ido> find a way to keep usplash from running and you've got it
[12:40] <Daisuke-Ido> maki^
[12:40] <maki> ok
[12:42] <felzix> I'm not sure if this is what you want, but in System Settings and Splash Screen, one can select None
[12:42] <maki> that is for kde
[12:43] <felzix> ok
[12:43] <maki> triton in look and themes you have startup information
[12:43] <KillGore> Hi, does anyone know whether kaffeine 0.8.4 will make into the feisty repo ?
[12:44] <maki> KillGore:wait litle
[12:44] <maki> till it is stable
[12:44] <triton> maki: not really
[12:45] <maki> i use kcontrol
[12:46] <triton> maki: ok, i see. Never thought that there is a difference between the "system settings" and kcontrol
[12:46] <triton> maki: thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[12:46] <maki> no problem
[12:51] <intelikey> BE QUIET !
[12:53] <KillGore> OK
[12:57] <stick> Can anyone in here help with a ALUT issue?
[12:57] <intelikey> i wonder how i did this.....   i have a script that ^C  doesn't kill.     the scrip calls  sox  and if i hit ^C it kills sox and moves to the next song......
[01:02] <Arwen> there's 376 people in this channel, does that mean Kubuntu has lots of issues?
[01:02] <Powerking89670> Not neccissarily, it could mean that it just has alot of caring people :D
[01:03] <intelikey> sure.    that's one interpretation of the fact.
[01:03] <Dasnipa`> Arwen, the main ubuntu channel has 1066
[01:03] <Arwen> lol, I know :-\
[01:03] <Powerking89670> how do I check my current version of (Ubuntu, yes I know this is a Kubuntu channel, but there was no one in #ubuntu)
[01:03] <ale__> hi
[01:03] <intelikey> Powerking89670 lsb_release -a
[01:03] <intelikey> or is it -
[01:03] <Arwen> Powerking89670, by looking at your CD?
[01:04] <Powerking89670> thank you
[01:05] <Minataku> [19:04:12]  Poku ah, some kids made a practical joke at my school, they took the esc keys from lots of computers and make one all-esc keyboard
[01:05] <Minataku> rofl
[01:05] <Arwen> how many disks do I need to use RAID 5?
[01:05] <intelikey> so why does ^c  kill the playing song but not the script ?
[01:05] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/440305
[01:05] <Arwen> ...
[01:05] <dwidmann> Arwen, I think it can be done with 3 .... can't recall, might take 4
[01:05] <Arwen> this channel ain't too helpful..
[01:05] <Arwen> dwidmann, thanks
[01:05] <Arwen> !raid
[01:05] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[01:06] <Arwen> I wonder how I enable fakeraid...
[01:06] <Powerking89670> see, im trying to install beryl, but I have Dapper
[01:06] <Arwen> Powerking89670, upgrade? lol
[01:06] <dwidmann> arwen, look up RAID on tdlp.org a wealth of information over there
[01:06] <intelikey> tldp.org
[01:06] <Arwen> dwidmann, an ad farm?
[01:06] <dwidmann> as for fake raid, take a look at the FakeRAIDHowto on the ubuntu community docs
[01:06] <dwidmann> shouldn'
[01:07] <dwidmann> t be o.O
[01:07] <intelikey> the linux documentation project  tldp
[01:09] <Arwen> say, my motherboard's sata controller supposedly allows for raid operation... that's fakeraid, right?
[01:10] <Powerking89670> If I wanted to upgrade...I wouldnt know how
[01:10] <intelikey> that's hardware raid   i'd think.
[01:11] <intelikey> do you want to ?
[01:11] <Powerking89670> yes, I want Beryl :p
[01:11] <Powerking89670> is there any way to upgrade w/o burning another disk
[01:11] <intelikey> !upgrade | Powerking89670
[01:11] <ubotu> Powerking89670: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:13] <Arwen> intelikey, well, it's an Intel 925XE chipset, so I have my doubts that it has real raid circuits...
[01:13] <Arwen> what do you think?
[01:14] <ses> well its not software raid so it must be proper
[01:14] <intelikey> beets me.
[01:14] <Arwen> hmm... because I can't figure out how to configure it for raid...
[01:15] <ses> does it require a driver
[01:15] <Arwen> ses, no idea, think so though...
[01:16] <ses> sometimes they are set in bios and are transparent to the operating system
[01:16] <Arwen> ses, yeah, no luck here... I think it's AHCI/RAID
[01:17] <Minataku> Arwen: If it's hardware RAID then configs should be in the BIOS Settings
[01:18] <Arwen> Minataku, the BIOS has a section for SATA operation... "RAID if signed, RAID, ATA"
[01:18] <Arwen> no idea how to specify stripe size, RAID level, etc, so I think it's soft
[01:18] <Minataku> Set it to RAID instead of SATA/ATA, that should give you the options
[01:19] <gemidjy> there was an option to make Konsole/Terminal not show the path where the user currently is, i.e. gemidjy@gemidjy-desktop:~/Video$ where ~/Video is the path I am talking about
[01:20] <Arwen> Minataku, meh... better not try, Intel's site says it doesn't do RAID 5 anyway
[01:20] <Minataku> In which case just use it as a regular controller
[01:20] <ses> no mirror them :)
[01:21] <Arwen> Minataku, :-\
[01:21] <Arwen> yeah, RAID 0 = scary, RAID 1 = waste of a hard drive
[01:21] <Minataku> RAID without redundancy isn't RAID. It's stupid.
[01:21] <Minataku> lol
[01:21] <ses> stupid but faster
[01:21] <Arwen> maybe I could try it into using RAID 10? but that's a waste of 2 hard drives..
[01:22] <Minataku> You're always going to have at least 1 HDD used for the redundancy application
[01:22] <Arwen> yeah, but RAID 1 uses half of em, so..
[01:24] <intelikey> being network illiterate, in the cherokee.conf file should i uncomment  # chroot /var/www     or no ?
[01:25] <intelikey> what i'm asking, is there any advantage; and, would i have to actually setup a chroot there ?
[01:29] <Swift> hey guys quick troubleshooting question
[01:29] <Swift> I'm running kubuntu. Just stuck a set of headphones in to use them....
[01:30] <Swift> but the sound is still coming out of the tiny latitude D420 speakers
[01:30] <Swift> ...
[01:30] <Swift> what might be wrong?
[01:30] <Swift> and how do I go about fixing it?
[01:30] <Swift> all help appreciated :)
[01:31] <Swift> no1 any ideas? :-/
[01:33] <word> !alsa
[01:33] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:33] <dtfan> Swift: I have seen this happen before with dells
[01:33] <naught101> !nvu
[01:33] <ubotu> nvu is a WYSIWYG and code dual-function HTML editor for easily creating web pages.  The original developer is working on a full rewrite; meanwhile, another is doing bugfixes.  It is not in the Ubuntu repos for Feisty Fawn, but ping tonyyarusso to inquire about packages.  See also !html.
[01:34] <naught101> hrrmmm
[01:35] <Swift> thanks dtfan
[01:35] <Swift> not sure if the standard sound troubleshooting will hack it word...
[01:35] <Swift> the problem isn't a lack of sound
[01:36] <Swift> it's sound in the wrong place...I'm at an absolute loss for what could cause it short of the speakers being broken or something.
[01:36] <Swift> or the port
[01:36] <Swift> anyone got any other ideas?
[01:37] <dtfan> not really... try the latest ubuntu beta livecd to see if it was fixed
[01:37] <dtfan> i guess it has nothing to do with alsa but with the kernel... but i have no clue, sorry
[01:38] <vinces1979> !
[01:53] <ulmonix> can someone please help me compile siag?
[01:54] <dwidmann> Can't say I've ever heard of siag, but I suppose I could help
[01:55] <intelikey> !b-e | ulmonix
[01:55] <ubotu> ulmonix: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:56] <ulmonix> !siag
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about siag - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:56] <intelikey> !find siag
[01:56] <intelikey> i doubt it
[01:57] <ubotu> Package/file siag does not exist in edgy
[01:58] <ulmonix> if there was a debian package for it, could I install it?
[01:58] <intelikey> possable  but it may not work correctly.  ubuntu != debian
[01:59] <intelikey> if you are comfortable trying    sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[01:59] <intelikey> or  sudo dpkg -i /full/path/package.deb
[02:01] <Daisuke-Ido> what is siag?
[02:03] <ulmonix> an office suite; it's lighter than ooffice, and hopefully, less bugy than abiword http://siag.nu/
[02:05] <Daisuke-Ido> have you given koffice a shot?
[02:06] <intelikey> abiword
[02:06] <intelikey> !abiword
[02:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about abiword - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <ulmonix> intelikey: that proves it, abiword is buggey. :b
[02:06] <Daisuke-Ido> !info abiword
[02:06] <ubotu> abiword: WYSIWYG word processor based on GTK2. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 2458 kB, installed size 6876 kB
[02:06] <intelikey> ubotu you sir are a bot.
[02:06] <BluesKaj> !breakage
[02:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about breakage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:07] <Daisuke-Ido> i personally like abiword, but just use it for smaller tasks
[02:07] <Daisuke-Ido> if i were, say, writing a book...  well, if i were doing that i'd probably use TeX, but for papers and such, OOo, even though it tends to be a little heavy
[02:08] <intelikey> tetex
[02:08] <Daisuke-Ido> LaTeX
[02:09] <ulmonix> !info tetex
[02:09] <ubotu> Package tetex does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[02:09] <intelikey> ulmonix too many matches.   apt-cache search tetex
[02:10] <intelikey> hehhe i had forgoten about    wv - Convert and preview Microsoft Word documents
[02:10] <Linux_Galore> if you want to play with LaTex install kile
[02:11] <Linux_Galore> it makes life allot easier
[02:11] <Daisuke-Ido> Linux_Galore: no argument there
[02:11] <Daisuke-Ido> kile is pretty nice
[02:11] <intelikey> vile
[02:12] <intelikey> vile - VI Like Emacs - vi work-alike
[02:12] <ksnipa> hey not really a kubuntu specific question, but I coded a small little app in python and was wondering how I could make it so that whenever i typed appname it would run rather then having to execute it by python appname from anywhere like all other executables
[02:12] <Linux_Galore> wasnt vile some vim hack with its own really annoying version of clippy
[02:12] <Daisuke-Ido> ksnipa: create a shell script to execute it
[02:12] <intelikey> Linux_Galore :)  i think so
[02:13] <Linux_Galore> its was created after someone joked about about it (vile) from memory
[02:13] <angasule> can someone tell me why some multimedia keys seem to be hardcoded? I can't change it from the shortcuts part of the settings
[02:13] <ulmonix> ksnipa: you could put it in /usr/bin/; chmod +x filename
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> angasule: install keytouch
[02:14] <intelikey> ksnipa a shell wrapper   or maybe the "intrepter line"   #!/usr/bin/phthon
[02:14] <ulmonix> if I disapear, blame kword :b
[02:15] <intelikey> kword is bad to casper ya huh ?
[02:15] <dwidmann> if you disappear, I'm going to try to steal your invisibility potion, right out of your invisible hands.
[02:15] <ksnipa> thanks guys, let me try it out
[02:15] <Linux_Galore> kword only sux if you dont have kword-latest  setup in your sources.list file
[02:16] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: I don't know, I still manage to crash it a fair amount of the time, albeit, not as much.
[02:16] <Linux_Galore> allot of fixes in the last few releaseses
[02:17] <Linux_Galore> last one was for annoyances with the ODF stuff
[02:17] <intelikey>  404 Not Found  The requested URL / was not found on this server.     Cherokee web server Port 80       ok what have i done wrong ?
[02:17] <Linux_Galore> the next release should be really good they are adding lots of nice features to make editing ODF easier
[02:17] <angasule> Linux_Galore: that program seems to be used to /use/ the keys at all. My keys work, but a few seem to be hardcoded (for example, XF86Mail is tied to kmail)
[02:18] <Linux_Galore> angasule: keytouch allows you to edit your keylayout, none of the keys are hard coded
[02:18] <ulmonix> Linux_Galore: how does one get this koffice-lastest?
[02:18] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: Are they still working with 1.6? I thought by now they'd surely abandoned it in favor of 2.0 development?
[02:18] <intelikey> come on    some body here knows what i missed
[02:19] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: yep their on 2.0 now
[02:19] <ksnipa> perfect, thanks intelikey, ulmonix, daisuke-ido
[02:19] <dwidmann> 2.0 promises to bask in QT4 awesomness, and fix a jillion bugs. I hope it deliverse :D
[02:20] <Linux_Galore> ulmonix: add this line to your sources file  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-latest edgy main
[02:20] <Linux_Galore> ulmonix: beware thats for edgy
[02:20] <ulmonix> err, wait....
[02:20] <ulmonix> +1.
[02:20] <dwidmann> Then you've certainly got the latest then ulmonix
[02:20] <Linux_Galore> ulmonix: wrong room for feisty heh
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> sorry channel*
[02:21] <intelikey> :)
[02:21] <dwidmann> close enough ... #ubuntu+1 is full of Gnomes, can't have that
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> ulmonix: yeah feisty already has the latest
[02:21] <ulmonix> true
[02:22] <intelikey>  404 Not Found \n\n The requested URL / was not found on this server. \n\n    Cherokee web server Port 80     ......  ok what have i done wrong ?
[02:22] <ulmonix> K-Dragons eat gnomes
[02:22] <intelikey> anyone ?
[02:22] <ulmonix> intelikey: not specified webroot?
[02:22] <dwidmann> intelikey: you punched in a url of a page that didn't exist?
[02:22] <intelikey> ulmonix /var/www
[02:22] <intelikey> dwidmann i punched in 127.0.0.1
[02:23] <dwidmann> Oh goody, that's even better
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> anyone who wants a no brainer method to setup their sources list try this link -> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> missed a bit should be a /  on the end http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[02:24] <ulmonix> Linux_Galore: so there's no point in adding koffice-latest on fiesty?
[02:24] <dwidmann> which reminds me, I guess I *should* update
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> ulmonix: not now but after its released there will be
[02:24] <intelikey> Linux_Galore here's my sources.list     deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[02:25] <ulmonix> intelikey: mine's slightly more intimidating than that : b
[02:25] <Daisuke-Ido> intelikey: no source repos?
[02:25] <intelikey> Daisuke-Ido no
[02:25] <Linux_Galore> ulmonix: wait a few weeks then use that link I just posted to create a new sources list
[02:25] <dwidmann> intelikey: perhaps 127.0.0.1:80/index.html will work better?
[02:25] <intelikey> dwidmann so do you have another clue for me ?
[02:25] <intelikey> k
[02:26] <intelikey> dwidmann exact same thing
[02:26] <intelikey> ?
[02:26] <dwidmann> I'm out of ideas for the moment then
[02:26] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: ??,  I make my sources.list setup manually
[02:26] <dwidmann> (assuming anyway that an index.html file actually exists in /var/www/
[02:27] <intelikey> Linux_Galore heh yeah me too.
[02:27] <BenPA> does anyone know of a work around for the wireless assist problem in edgy?
[02:27] <intelikey> dwidmann yes it does
[02:27] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: fewer lines to check at later dates
[02:27] <intelikey> yep
[02:27] <intelikey>                                  404 Not Found
[02:27] <intelikey>    The requested URL /error.php was not found on this server.
[02:27] <intelikey> 
[02:27] <intelikey>    Cherokee web server Port 80
[02:27] <intelikey> oh crap
[02:27] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: the automatic stuff is nice but produces tone of lines
[02:28] <Linux_Galore> tons *
[02:28] <Daisuke-Ido> hmm...  once i'm running the feisty beta, do i still need feisty-proposed?
[02:28] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[02:28] <intelikey> that's what it thought i was pasting ^^
[02:28] <Linux_Galore> Daisuke-Ido: only if your a dev or like goofy packages in testing
[02:29] <Linux_Galore> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed main restricted universe multiverse
[02:29] <Daisuke-Ido> because right now i have feisty, feisty-updates, feisty-proposed, feisty-backports and feisty-security
[02:29] <Daisuke-Ido> ...
[02:29] <Daisuke-Ido> seems a bit overkill
[02:29] <ubuntu> hi
[02:29] <intelikey> yeah.
[02:30] <BenPA> does anyone know of a work around for the wireless assist problem in edgy?
[02:30] <dwidmann> hi
[02:30] <ubuntu> how do i mount a hdd?
[02:30] <sstchur> How come sometimes, I'll start an application like Firefox, and the little FF icon will bounce like apps loaded in KDE do, but it will keep on bouncing for what seems like forever, long after the app had loaded and is being used?
[02:30] <soulrider> !mount
[02:30] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:30] <soulrider> or you can type
[02:30] <intelikey> ubuntu   sudo mount /dev/hdd /mount/point
[02:30] <soulrider> sudo mount <device> <where to mount>
[02:30] <Linux_Galore> Daisuke-Ido: for a normal user it is for people like me who compile and write code it isnt, dont laugh i still have to manually build from source because its not available in the repo's
[02:30] <dwidmann> ubuntu: well, one way is to type mount /dev/[insert device name here]  (example: mount /dev/hdb5)
[02:30] <dwidmann> oh yes, I forgot the mountpoint, bah
[02:31] <Daisuke-Ido> Linux_Galore: so what parts are overkill?
[02:31] <orac7000> I noticed this morning, with the new 2.6.20-15-generic kernel, that my /dev/hdb1 is now to be called /dev/sdb1, is this common now?
[02:31] <dwidmann> (well, technically that would work if it was in the fstab :))
[02:31] <soulrider> kubuntu should ahve somethign similar to Arch's AUR
[02:31] <Daisuke-Ido> obviously i need feisty, and should keep security at the very least
[02:31] <intelikey> dwidmann true da
[02:31] <intelikey> t
[02:31] <soulrider> orac7000: i thinkt he new kernels dont use h anymore, its s for all drives
[02:31] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: feisty-proposed  often some of the packages are broken
[02:31] <hitmanWilly> orac7000, same for me and yes, its intentional
[02:31] <Linux_Galore> oops
[02:32] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: int he AUR you just downlaod scripts thatw ill compile stuff in your machine
[02:32] <orac7000> soulrider, willy, thanks
[02:32] <intelikey> soulrider all scsi emulation ?
[02:32] <Linux_Galore> Daisuke-Ido: feisty-proposed  often some of the packages are broken
[02:32] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, i guess
[02:32] <soulrider> intelikey: dunno, i heard someone here saying that now theyc all or hard drives sd
[02:33] <soulrider> in arch i got a 2.6.20 kernel and my ATA drive shows as sda
[02:33] <soulrider> in kubuntu i have sda and hdb, in Arch i got sda and asb
[02:33] <Daisuke-Ido> so updates backports and security should be alright
[02:33] <soulrider> sdb*
[02:33] <Daisuke-Ido> soulrider: what kernel in kubuntu?
[02:34] <intelikey> i heard that the kernel team was moving that way some time ago....   i guess as long as you don't care what the disk is it's fine.    i kinda like knowing what is mounted.
[02:34] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: I dont mind *ubuntu but Im finding Gentoo a bit easier for developing code if you want the latest libs
[02:34] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: could always just use a gentoo chroot for that couldn't you?
[02:35] <Daisuke-Ido> Linux_Galore: that's a difference in philosophy between the two distros.  [k|x] ubuntu is geared toward the desktop user, gentoo isn't.
[02:35] <intelikey> but i also have 8 drives in this box  so i don't need to make a mistake on what i do where.
[02:35] <dwidmann> 8 drives? impressive
[02:36] <intelikey> not really.   anyone in here has more room on 1 drive than i do on all 8...
[02:36] <dwidmann> How's that?
[02:37] <intelikey> what's your smallest drive ?
[02:37] <intelikey> 40G ?
[02:37] <dwidmann> erm, 250gb :D
[02:37] <Linux_Galore> although I must admit there are a few dev's that use *ubuntu
[02:37] <intelikey> all 8 add up to 14G
[02:37] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: i couldnt manage to isntall it, besides, i think id kill myself if i had to compile EVERYTHING
[02:37] <dwidmann> intelikey: that's just sad, my first computers hard drive held almost that much ...
[02:37] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: there is actually an easy install version of Gentoo
[02:37] <Daisuke-Ido> 14g
[02:38] <soulrider> lol intelikey
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> my first computer had a 20mb hard drive
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> and we LIKED IT.
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> :D
[02:38] <soulrider> how about you save a bit and buy a bigger drive ?
[02:38] <intelikey> dwidmann my first computer predated internal fixed disk drives
[02:38] <dwidmann> my first had something like a 10gb drive. That was about, oh, 9 years ago
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> intelikey still has me beat on age, apparently (unless you count the Tandy CoCo i had when i was little)
[02:39] <intelikey> Daisuke-Ido C64
[02:39] <Daisuke-Ido> so we're pretty close in there :)
[02:39] <Daisuke-Ido> you had the popular computer
[02:39] <soulrider> intelikey is so old school i wouldnt be surprised if he still uses tape drives
[02:39] <intelikey> but i wasn't "little"  :)
[02:39] <Daisuke-Ido> i had its redheaded stepcousin
[02:40] <dwidmann> hahaha
[02:40] <Daisuke-Ido> i was 4
[02:40] <orac7000> 5 meg fixed / 5meg removable Wren drive in NCR 9100
[02:40] <intelikey> i was 20
[02:40] <Daisuke-Ido> you win!
[02:41] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: http://www.sabayonlinux.org/
[02:41] <hitmanWilly> bah, commodore vic 20
[02:41] <Daisuke-Ido> ooh
[02:41] <Linux_Galore> Gentoo made easy
[02:41] <Daisuke-Ido> sabayon's neat
[02:41] <orac7000> still have a plus4
[02:41] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: ill tyr it when i get tired of Arch :P
[02:41] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i couldn't afford a vic
[02:41] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: but I thought the whole pain in the ass part was one of its selling points?
[02:42] <hitmanWilly> well, i got it about the time the 64's were out
[02:42] <hitmanWilly> used
[02:42] <intelikey> the C64 cost a small fortune back then
[02:42] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: well the pain in the ass (tm) stuff is still there if you want to use it
[02:42] <hitmanWilly> and i was like 8
[02:42] <gan|y|med> hi
[02:43] <intelikey> back when.    food
[02:44] <hitmanWilly> gentoos great, if you have hours to spend compiling stuff
[02:44] <hitmanWilly> and no life
[02:44] <gan|y|med> honestly, why isn't it possible, after 4 or so ubuntu releases, to get fglrx support right (i know, the ati guys have done their share, but i mean the deb package)
[02:45] <Daisuke-Ido> WHOA.
[02:45] <Daisuke-Ido> the ati guys have done their share on the driver?  what fantasy world are you living in?
[02:46] <gan|y|med> their share in preventing this to go smoothly much more quickly.
[02:46] <hitmanWilly> ati and nix just don't get along well, due in large part to ati
[02:46] <Linux_Galore> review of Sabayonlinux for those who just want to do some window shopping -> http://techgage.com/article/sabayonlinux_33/
[02:46] <VSpike> sinclair was better than commodore anyways
[02:47] <gan|y|med> well, at least this way i get some attention to my problem
[02:48] <gan|y|med> fglrx worked fine with feisty debs, but now, out of the sudden, the module disappeared (i suspect some update), my problem is, fglrx-driver is installed
[02:48] <gan|y|med> so any ideas? i'd really appreciate it
[02:50] <orac7000> it also looks like cdroms/dvds are mounted as /media/<disk name> instead of /media/hdd etc now!!
[02:51] <orac7000> sorry if this is old news, but I only upgraded last night, this is new to me
[02:51] <Ace2016> Hi all
[02:52] <compilerwriter> anyone have any luck getting Ubuntu, or for that matter any flavour of linux, to work with and adsl modem via usb interface?
[02:52] <gan|y|med> pls, does anybody know why the fglrx-driver package does not install fglrx.ko??
[02:53] <word> !mic
[02:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> hmm
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> hitmanWilly: Gentoo made easy and fast -> http://techgage.com/article/sabayonlinux_33/
[02:54] <Schuenemann> I have the following problem. I get a Fatal Server Error and X crashes when I use Blender. What could I do?
[02:54] <darweth> Linux_Galore: I do not really understand Sabayon. =(
[02:55] <darweth> I also disagree with the "Gentoo made easy and fast" part.
[02:55] <darweth> But I don't know what the mini version of Sabayon is like.
[02:55] <darweth> The DVD is nothing like Gentoo though since it is bloated beyond all hell and no Gentoo box would ever be like that. :)
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> darweth: lol, your complaining about a single DVD, don't use SuSE then
[02:56] <intelikey> "no Gentoo box would ever be like that"  heh  right
[02:56] <darweth> Linux_Galore: I use Arch.
[02:57] <darweth> I just think it is offensive to call Sabayon Gentoo.
[02:57] <darweth> It is bloated, it is hard to remove stuff you do not want...
[02:57] <darweth> Just use Gentoo. :)
[02:57] <Schuenemann> I get a Fatal Server Error and X crashes when I use Blender. What can I do?
[02:57] <intelikey> i use gentoo.   i did  apt-get install gentoo   :)
[02:57] <darweth> Gentoo is not meant to be a release-distro.
[02:57] <Linux_Galore> darweth: I do but before I used Gentoo I used RR4 (now called Sabayon)
[02:57] <hitmanWilly> darweth i would, i just don't want to compile EVERYTHING from source
[02:58] <darweth> hitmanWilly: I would suggest Arch then. :P
[02:58] <hitmanWilly> darweth, and yes, i have tried it out before
[02:58] <darweth> The benefits of Gentoo ARE compiling your own stuff.
[02:58] <darweth> I do not understand Sabayon and never will.
[02:58] <Linux_Galore> darweth: emerge works as normal in Sabayon
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> well, from what i see, it gives you the option to do that if you want, or do it the sabayon way
[02:59] <intelikey> darweth i think you nailed it.  "<darweth> The benefits of Gentoo ARE compiling your own stuff."     no other real benefit,  just that you get to compile everything....
[02:59] <Schuenemann> come on, I need help with these video stuff :/
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> and im assuming all the gentoo stuff ie use flags are still implemented
[02:59] <darweth> Well, I've read many accounts of troubles with using emerge and keeping Sabayon rolling.
[03:00] <darweth> Lots of encouragement to not do that and use it as a release distro.
[03:00] <darweth> And do Sabayon-updates.
[03:00] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: could be anything really going from the scant details you have given us
[03:00] <ulmonix> Schuenemann: the help I could give you would to be to have it start in window instead of fullscreen w/ the commandline
[03:01] <intelikey> Schuenemann blender is a real top priority for you ?
[03:01] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, Fatal Server Error: Caught Signal 11. Server Aborting. Xinit: Connection to X Servet lost
[03:01] <Linux_Galore> yeah, dont use Blender on a basic machine it just wont be able to cope
[03:01] <Schuenemann> I wouldn't say real top priority but yes, it is important
[03:02] <Schuenemann> the graphic card is a geforce 256 32 MB
[03:02] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: that is a generic error, its just saying X crashed
[03:02] <Schuenemann> well, that's the message I get when I use blender
[03:02] <ulmonix> Linux_Galore: Blender runs perfectly fine on my old laptop :b
[03:02] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: like saying "my car wont start"
[03:03] <Schuenemann> what else you need besides the message and the situation that happens? :p
[03:03] <hitmanWilly> darweth, from what i see, sabayon is to gentoo what ubuntu is to debian
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: do you have the binary Nvidia drivers ?
[03:03] <ulmonix> Schuenemann: this happens every time you start blender?
[03:03] <darweth> hitmanWilly: I understand that. :)
[03:03] <Schuenemann> start and use it a bit
[03:04] <darweth> But to me, using Gentoo in that manner doesn't make as much sense as Ubuntu.
[03:04] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, I don't think so... there was a sis before
[03:04] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: use the binary Nvidia drivers they are more stable
[03:04] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, can you tell me how? since I changed I don't have the graphical login anymoe
[03:05] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: also they have proper 3D support the FOSS ones dont
[03:05] <hitmanWilly> honestly, i just like my kubuntu, and ive tried a lot of what else is out there
[03:05] <darweth> I think most Ubuntu users would do well enough sticking with Ubuntu.  There is no need to switch to Debian.
[03:05] <Linux_Galore> !nvidia
[03:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:05] <darweth> With Sabayon, I feel that people will eventually just want to go pure.
[03:05] <Schuenemann> thanks
[03:05] <darweth> After learning emerge or something.
[03:05] <hitmanWilly> darweth, maybe
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> darweth: its a nice intro though for Gentoo for people who want to get something a bit more mature
[03:06] <hitmanWilly> but at least the more user friendly distros help in pulling casual users into the linux world
[03:06] <darweth> I agree there. :)
[03:06] <darweth> I just don't think it is a long-lasting distro.  Perhaps these stepping stones have their place too.
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> darweth: you dont even have to install it
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> darweth: well no, I would say its more a path to Gentoo distro
[03:07] <felzix> ot: does anyone here know how to setup planner for emacs?
[03:07] <hitmanWilly> and thats what i love about nix, theres more flavors than baskin robbins
[03:07] <darweth> hitmanWilly: true, but I wonder if there are more flavors than Cold Stone. ;)
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> darweth: it was for me anyway
[03:08] <hitmanWilly> that would be interesting to test
[03:08] <darweth> Ah.  I went from Ubuntu - Gentoo - Zenwalk - Arch.
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> yeah, every week I see a new distro, last week it was LinuxMCE
[03:09] <darweth> I think I am set now though.  Arch for my main box and Ubuntu for all other ones.
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> for Ubuntu users who want and easy path for a mythbox
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> an*
[03:10] <hitmanWilly> darweth, i went from debian-> red hat -> slack -> fedora -> back to slack -> kubuntu
[03:10] <Schuenemann> sigh... with this graphic it seems I have smooth scrolling enabled
[03:10] <Schuenemann> graphic card
[03:10] <unix_infidel> anyone know of a tool like google reader?
[03:10] <hitmanWilly> darweth, with a brief 1 week gentoo stopover
[03:10] <ulmonix> DSL (qemu) > GoblinX (livecd) > mandrake > ubuntu > kubuntu
[03:11] <intelikey> slack > rh > mdk > dsl > ub
[03:11] <darweth> Ah.  :)  I have always wanted to use Slack... just to say that. :O  I guess I am a nerd.  It seems like slackware has some special mystique about it.
[03:11] <darweth> But I guess Zenwalk is close enough for now.
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> darweth, slack still installs with a 2.4 kernel last i checked
[03:12] <darweth> There is a -current.
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> unix_infidel: ?? eer google reader works in Linux last I looked
[03:12] <intelikey> and that doesn't mention the versions and repeted steps. ^
[03:12] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, what is the name of the package manager? adept?
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> darweth, and every time i tried it it broke my system
[03:12] <intelikey> hitmanWilly debian does too
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> unix_infidel: so you just want to read RSS feeds ?
[03:13] <darweth> :(
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> and thats why i use kubu
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> plus rpms just suck
[03:13] <darweth> I am actually new to KDE.  Only been using it for 3 days.
[03:13] <intelikey> hitmanWilly 2.4 ^   deb stable does too   but you can select 2.6
[03:13] <unix_infidel> Linux_Galore: well, most sites i view dont have RSS feeds.
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: the GUI or the command line ?
[03:14] <Schuenemann> the gui
[03:14] <unix_infidel> i want to be able to read and keep track of entries on multiple blogs and news sources.
[03:14] <Schuenemann> shouldn't I have it installed?
[03:14] <Schuenemann> weird
[03:14] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i have had more trubble out of dpkg/apt  than i ever did out of rpm/urpm? .
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: well from the command line you use apt-get
[03:14] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, really? exact opposite for me
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: in the desktop is  adept_installer
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> s/in/from/
[03:15] <Schuenemann> oh... silly me
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> maybe its just fedora
[03:15] <intelikey> maybe,  i never tried fc
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> fc 6 is very nice
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> lot of thought gone into the release
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> still nutty as a fruit cake though
[03:17] <intelikey> and early fc's were a fork and that generally means issues for the first release or two.   warty had it's bumps
[03:17] <compilerwriter> intelikey that problem we were working on last night.  gdm did not start up automatically on restart.
[03:17] <Schuenemann> sorry, how do I find out which kernel version I have?
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: uname -a
[03:17] <intelikey> compilerwriter hmmmm  ;/
[03:17] <compilerwriter> intelikey worse I manually started it and then couldn't get my XDMCP client to connect.
[03:17] <bipolar> Schuenemann: run 'uname'
[03:17] <compilerwriter> intelikey I had manually fire up kdm again.
[03:18] <bipolar> Schuenemann: 'uname -r' will print just the version
[03:18] <Schuenemann> k, got it
[03:18] <compilerwriter> I suppost if that is the worst thing that happens fine
[03:18] <intelikey> compilerwriter i started to ask you last night if you enabled remote login in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[03:18] <intelikey> but you were gone.
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> Howdy all
[03:19] <Schuenemann> !generic
[03:19] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> dam these new Vista fonts look nice in Kubuntu
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> heh
[03:19] <Schuenemann> hmmm... what is a generic kernel?
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> New fonts? heh - guess they had to include somthing to make up for vistas other 'issues'
[03:20] <intelikey> compilerwriter did you get it streight or are you still having issues with it ?
[03:20] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: its the general purpose kernel, I use it too
[03:20] <Schuenemann> what could be a non generic one?
[03:20] <compilerwriter> intelikey It is still a mess.
[03:20] <intelikey> hate to hear that
[03:21] <compilerwriter> jhutchins tried to point me in the right direction, but got called away for some reason before I could ask the newb questions to make his instructions clear.
[03:21] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: there are a few, i386 and server
[03:22] <compilerwriter> intelikey give me a second to cat my /etc/gdm/gdm/conf
[03:22] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: and server-bigiron  for machines with lots of ram etc
[03:23] <Schuenemann> so I should get linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-11-generic
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: for a laptop/PC that not too old the generic kernel is fine
[03:23] <Schuenemann> actually I already have it
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yep
[03:24] <intelikey> compilerwriter less /etc/gdm/gdm.conf       hit / type XDMCP and hit enter
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: you might find all you have to do is edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf  and change Driver "nv"  to Driver "nvidia"
[03:24] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, it says I should install nvidia-glx-legacy
[03:25] <intelikey> compilerwriter this way at least you learn some neet tricks  like searching in less  and so forth
[03:25] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: only for old cards
[03:25] <Schuenemann> mine is old
[03:25] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: what is the model
[03:25] <Schuenemann> it is in the legacy list
[03:25] <Schuenemann> 256
[03:25] <Schuenemann> http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/appendix-a.html
[03:25] <compilerwriter> intelikey are you thinking that I need to reenable all that stuff again?
[03:25] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: ?? 256 isnt a model
[03:25] <Schuenemann> GeForce 256
[03:26] <intelikey> compilerwriter i think you never did   in gdm.conf    it was kdm.conf   wasn't it ?
[03:26] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: aaah GF 2, yep install the legacy drivers package
[03:26] <intelikey> but that doesn't explain why it didn't autostart....
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: no wonder its crashing, GF 2 with the FOSS drivers would barely be coping
[03:27] <intelikey> Linux_Galore you have feisty right ?
[03:27] <compilerwriter> I probably never did do it in gdm.conf.
[03:27] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, I don't even have a graphical login hehe
[03:27] <Dr_Willis> hardkore
[03:27] <intelikey> Linux_Galore how to enable gdm on startup ?
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: no edgy but with lots of new packages compiled from scratch
[03:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[03:27] <compilerwriter> It probably was done in kdm.conf
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: usuaully there is a file that allows you to define the default  ie Desktop=kde Gnome  hmm
[03:28] <intelikey> does update-rc.d work with upstart ?
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> I thought kubuntu/ubuntu used the gdm/kdm services
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> intelikey:  i belive it does.
[03:30] <dsmith_> !nvidia
[03:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:30] <Dr_Willis> amazing how big a change upstart was.. and how few problems ive heard of with it.
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: aaah found it edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager  and change /usr/bin/kdm to  /usr/bin/gdm
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> upstart is great, just have to learn to do without the inittab file :)
[03:31] <compilerwriter> Well I found the references to XDM intelikey.  I am just trying to figure out what to uncomment.
[03:31] <compilerwriter> I had a tutorial before me the last time I did it.
[03:31] <Schuenemann> brb, restart X
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> compilerwriter: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager  and change /usr/bin/kdm to  /usr/bin/gdm
[03:32] <intelikey> compilerwriter this command should fix the non-starting problem. >>>    sudo update-rc.d gdm start 90 2 3 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 6 .
[03:32] <intelikey> Linux_Galore we were there last night.
[03:33] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: yeah, thats doesnt change the splash stuff though as you know
[03:33] <compilerwriter> intelikey said that they already existed.
[03:34] <compilerwriter> now off to the /etc/X11 stuff ?
[03:35] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, damn, I couldn't see the nvidia splash screen as I don't have the graphical login
[03:35] <compilerwriter> How does one tell less that they want to edit the file they are viewing?  I have forgotten.
[03:35] <intelikey> compilerwriter i've done every thing i know to do to it then.     maybe someone with fresh insite will hit what ever you and i missed. Linux_Galore maybe.
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: also need to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:36] <intelikey> did that too
[03:36] <intelikey> and gdm still is not starting on boot for him
[03:37] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I have a feeling he is booting gdm, just he doesnt know the difference
[03:37] <soulrider_> !ingo gcj
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ingo gcj - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <compilerwriter> It may be, but not having the XDMCP login allowed It may not have allowed the xserver to be connected to.
[03:37] <intelikey> Linux_Galore and it's not trying to start and failing cause he starts it manually
[03:37] <soulrider_> !info gcj
[03:37] <ubotu> gcj: The GNU Java compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.1-6ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 48 kB
[03:37] <intelikey> Linux_Galore no ?dm starting
[03:38] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: aaah so it doesnt start gdm and goes straight to the command line ?
[03:38] <compilerwriter> That may be what is happening linux_galore.
[03:38] <intelikey> compilerwriter see Linux_Galore and lets cut out the middle man here. (me)
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: in that case it tells me there is an init problem
[03:39] <compilerwriter> There is the complication that I am working with a headless *nix box.
[03:39] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, man, my current graphic card is marked as generic vesa
[03:39] <compilerwriter> thanks for trying intelikey.
[03:39] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, if I change to geforce and click test, I get a gray screen with an X cursor and that's all
[03:40] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: just edit the xorg.conf file manually and change Driver line to Driver "nvidia"
[03:40] <Schuenemann> I don't have that line with the generic visa
[03:40] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: thats normal
[03:40] <compilerwriter> linux_galore it seems that my current default path is /usr/sbin/gdm.  Should I change that to /usr/bin/gdm?
[03:40] <intelikey> compilerwriter don't give up.     and can you ssh into it?  if so you can    ps -A x | less    and see what is running and what's not.
[03:40] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: if you dont see the X its not working
[03:40] <Schuenemann> hmm
[03:41] <Schuenemann> Identifier	"Generic Video Card"
[03:41] <intelikey> compilerwriter   which gdm    it will tell you where it is
[03:41] <compilerwriter> intelikey that is how I have been logging in to start kdm.  ssh.
[03:41] <Schuenemann> even though I changed to geforce
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> compilerwriter: is the gdm binary in  /usr/sbin/gdm, because thats the normal path
[03:41] <intelikey> compilerwriter i knew that. but thought i'd play dumb.
[03:41] <compilerwriter> I think that is where it is linux_galore.
[03:42] <intelikey> which gdm
[03:42] <Linux_Galore> compilerwriter: can you start X manually with startx ?
[03:42] <compilerwriter> linux_galore I don
[03:42] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, can I replace that whole section with the nvidia one?
[03:42] <compilerwriter> 't know
[03:42] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: you just need to edit that one line
[03:42] <Schuenemann> I don't have that one line
[03:43] <Schuenemann> Driver		"vesa"
[03:43] <Schuenemann> not Driver "nv"
[03:43] <compilerwriter> I don't start it on a monitor connected to my machine.  I just forward the x-session to xming on my XP pc.
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: you have to have a "Driver" line or it wont work at all
[03:43] <Schuenemann> I do
[03:43] <Schuenemann> change that and leave the identifier?
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: then change it to Driver "nvidia"
[03:43] <compilerwriter> intelikey how do I find out which gdm ?
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: the rest is rubbish
[03:44] <intelikey> compilerwriter type   which gdm
[03:44] <compilerwriter> intelikey /usr/sbin/gdm
[03:44] <intelikey> compilerwriter 'which' is a command used to locate executables
[03:44] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: ctrl alt backspace  will restart X (or kill it)
[03:44] <intelikey> so now you know.
[03:45] <compilerwriter> I will try to remember that.
[03:45] <compilerwriter> I remember whence from the college days, but am not sure what it found.
[03:45] <Schuenemann> ok, brb
[03:45] <compilerwriter> It seems that whence will work as well.
[03:46] <intelikey> not here.  bash: whence: command not found
[03:46] <compilerwriter> I think zsh is my login shell.
[03:47] <intelikey> type blahblahblah   and it should tell ya
[03:47] <Linux_Galore> compilerwriter: dont set it as the system shell
[03:47] <intelikey> you mean  as /bin/sh ?
[03:48] <intelikey> that would be bad
[03:48] <compilerwriter> linux_galore I don't think it is.  I think I just changed it to my login shell for terminals and such.  I was trying it out.
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> compilerwriter: in the user space its fine
[03:48] <dsmith_> question: Once kubuntu is installed and is showing full resolution, whats the best way to install nvidia drivers so glx works?
[03:48] <compilerwriter> I remembered using it and the tcsh from the school days.  Thought I would play around with it, but now that you have brought it up how do I check?
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> zsh is very nice but Linux usually default to bash like goofyness
[03:50] <compilerwriter> My machine did default to bash.  I changed my login shell, but now you have me afraid I might have changed the system shell.
[03:50] <compilerwriter> How do I check linux_galore?
[03:50] <intelikey> ls -l /bin/sh
[03:51] <linux_kid> Can I add KDE to GNOME without changing the login window or splash screen?  (note, im running feisty)
[03:51] <Linux_Galore> yeah ls -l /bin/sh
[03:51] <compilerwriter> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-12-13 18:39 /bin/sh -> dash
[03:51] <intelikey> dash   that's default
[03:51] <compilerwriter> What the hell is dash?
[03:51] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, it wasn't able to restart, I had to change to the previous value
[03:51] <czer323> !dash
[03:51] <intelikey> man dash
[03:51] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to  #! /bin/bash 
[03:51] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, Failed to load nvidia-kernel module
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> system shell is by default 'dash' the default USERS shell is normally bash.
[03:51] <Schuenemann> I guess I have to modprobe
[03:52] <compilerwriter> Is dash more secure than bash?
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> that factoid about dash is a little missleading.
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> dash is 'posix' complient. Bash is the one with the 'issues' :)
[03:52] <intelikey> anyone know why this script would not die when ^C is pressed ?    http://pastebin.ca/440305
[03:52] <intelikey> ^C only kills the running app
[03:53] <intelikey> not the calling script
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> bash when called as 'sh' is supposed to be compatiable with the sh/posix  stuff. but it dosent work that way. From what i recall of my research into this a few months ago.
[03:53] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:53] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: it will help you set it up the way you want
[03:53] <intelikey> Dr_Willis that is correct.
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> intelikey:  yea. it seems like the whole issue to me - is that ages ago. bash never reported any sort of error/warning that if called as 'sh' it was being told to use non 'sh' features. :) i guess.
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> but all the ranting/flamwars ive read about the bash/dash issues.. never seem to mention that.
[03:55] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: thats normal
[03:56] <intelikey> well it should fail when called as sh and told to use non-posix functions Dr_Willis
[03:56] <intelikey> but it doesn't
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> intelikey:  i agree it sould at least spit out some warnings
[03:56] <intelikey> Linux_Galore normal ?      ^C should kill the script and all it's children
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> then again - i barely under stand all this posix-obsession :)
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: no C^ wont
[03:57] <intelikey> Linux_Galore i can hold ^C down and let it repeat  but it doesn't ever kill the script.
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: especially if you not using builtins
[03:57] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, wow, that keyboard part is very boring... I guess I should've refused it
[03:57] <unix_infidel> posix obsession?
[03:57] <unix_infidel> you switched back to win32?
[03:58] <compilerwriter> Now linux_galore, or, intelikey how do you tell less to open the file you are viewing in an editor?j
[03:58] <Linux_Galore> compilerwriter: never tried that
[03:58] <intelikey> compilerwriter   sudo nano /etc/gdm/gdm.conf     assuming that's the file.
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> unix_infidel:   im more of a 'get the job done' sort of guy. less of a 'lets debate how it should be done from a 'perfectioninsts' point of view i guess. :)
[03:59] <unix_infidel> lol, so you did switch back?
[03:59] <intelikey> compilerwriter cause you'll have to be root to save it anyway
[03:59] <compilerwriter> I know there is a way to do it.  I used to do it back in the day.
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> but then again thers the whole "dont break the old stuff.. vs the 'lets fix it right for the future' arguments"
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> unix_infidel:  been playing MMORPGS under windows lately. :) ssh/irssing from my MythTV box at the moment.
[04:00] <unix_infidel> Dr_Willis: you know they have irssi native for win32 right?
[04:00] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, done... now restart X?
[04:00] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yes run startx see how it goes
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> unix_infidel:  so the docs for irssi ive been rereading mention. :) but they also imply it dosent work very well.
[04:00] <unix_infidel> Dr_Willis: it works perfectly here.
[04:00] <unix_infidel> lol.
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> unix_infidel:  ill stick with sshing to the linux box + screen + irssi  for a while. Untill my kubuntu iso downloads
[04:01] <unix_infidel> Dr_Willis: you downloading the beta?
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> unix_infidel:  the  statement of 'windows + works perfectly' is a Impossibility. :)
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> unix_infidel:  yea, got a spare hd on the windows box now to install to.
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> given up on MMORPGS for now.
[04:01] <unix_infidel> lol
[04:01] <unix_infidel> i stopped playing games a while back.
[04:02] <Dr_Willis> In case anyone wants to know.. VANGUARD sucks badly.
[04:02] <unix_infidel> just cold turkey. i play like chess on os x now and that's it.
[04:02] <Dr_Willis>  The New Lord Of the Rings MMORPG is at least fun to play :)
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> I just got a console
[04:02] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, same error -> Fatal: Error running install command for nvidia
[04:02] <Dr_Willis> Linux_Galore:  been playing with your Wii :)
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> Dr_Willis: no, got an XBOX, it was a good year
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> I need to fire up Paper Mario some time.. I never did finish it.
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> I did see a new relese of that PS2 emulator for Linux the other day.
[04:03] <dwidmann> This is an adventure :( stupid alsa
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> to be honest I play with my Nitendo DS more than anything
[04:04] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, what now? any ideas?
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> I gave my DS to my brother. he has 2 kids who were fighting over his one ds. :)
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: so you installed the nvidia-legacy package correct ?
[04:04] <Schuenemann> yes
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> need to get another one of those some day. He wants to swap me his GP2x thing (thats running linux) for my PSP now.
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> Getting to be more and more handhelds and other gizmos running Linux. WHich is a good thing.
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: aah, have you rebooted
[04:05] <Schuenemann> what? the whole system?
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yes so the kernel loads all the new modules
[04:05] <Schuenemann> the guide does not say that... sigh
[04:06] <Dr_Willis> Schuenemann:  its often not needed.. but is a good idea :)
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: usually you dont have to but sometimes I find it fixes it
[04:06] <Schuenemann> ok, brb then
[04:06] <Dr_Willis> ive had issues with ati and a reboot kicked them in the head many a time.
[04:06] <Schuenemann> hmm
[04:06] <Schuenemann> brb
[04:06] <Dr_Willis> it may be more of an issue of the wrong/conflicting modules being loaded.
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> Dr_Willis: I suspect the package manager has changes the kernel or the modules and now it wont load anything
[04:07] <compilerwriter> ok enabled xdmcp in gdm.conf  linux_galore what next?
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> ??
[04:07] <JackPhil> where is the digital camera be mounted?
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> !digital camera
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about digital camera - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> grr
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> !webcam
[04:08] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:08] <compilerwriter> Do I need to do anything else linux_galore, intelikey
[04:09] <intelikey> remote login enabled ?
[04:09] <intelikey> i think i saw a line for that as well
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> JackPhil: all media devices are usually mounted under /media/  but you can view them in the file browser by just type /media  in the address
[04:10] <Linux_Galore> JackPhil: install Digikam  that will allow you to manage your Digital Camera pictures
[04:11] <Schueneman> Linux_Galore, k, now it's back to vesa... should I change it and restart X?
[04:11] <Schueneman> this time I had the graphical login
[04:12] <JackPhil> Linux_Galore, nothing in /media. but konqueror use something like: camera://USB PTP Class Camera@[usb:003,003] /
[04:12] <JackPhil> I want to know can I access it with konsole?
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> JackPhil: aah, its not mounting the device at all in your case
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> camera:// is accessing the device without mounting it?
[04:14] <JackPhil> ehh? but sudo fdisk -l show nothing (to mount)
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> Dr_Willis: it direct accessing the device, I suspect the device doesnt do fs emulation
[04:16] <JackPhil> where to found the device i should mount?
[04:16] <Schueneman> Linux_Galore, hey... I had the graphical login this time, but it's back to vesa @ xorg.conf. What should I do? Change to nvidia and try restarting X?
[04:17] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: yes, but for some reason it cant load the nvidia driver. I suspect you are booting the wrong kernel
[04:17] <Schueneman> what do you mean wrong kernel? I only have one... or not?
[04:18] <Schueneman> I mean, there are some boot options but I'm using the one I always do
[04:18] <Schueneman> it's the latest
[04:18] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: the nviia-legacy package installs against a set kernel version (see adept_installer for details) and you must be running the same kernel
[04:18] <Schueneman> let me see
[04:18] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: the package doesnt install the driver for "all the kernels"
[04:19] <Linux_Galore> you have on the machine
[04:19] <jager> feisty fawn so far 0 problems
[04:19] <jager> well one small one but wtf we'll call it 0
[04:19] <Schueneman> argh
[04:19] <Schueneman> dude, this sucks
[04:19] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: remove the old kernel
[04:20] <Schueneman> I think I selected the wrong package
[04:20] <d00d_> jager, how is it ima about to try it
[04:20] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: heh
[04:20] <Schueneman> I'm not used with the GUI package manager
[04:21] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: yeah, bet you have the wrong kernel version of the nvidia-legacy package installed so the kernel cant find the driver
[04:21] <Schueneman> I should've noted it downloaded faster than it should
[04:21] <jager> works good, i'm still pulling updates
[04:21] <jager> my cd is a week old or so
[04:21] <jager> beryl is up and running, it was trivial
[04:21] <jager> the wifi manager is really swett
[04:21] <Schueneman> actually I don't have any nvidia-legacy package
[04:22] <jager> sweet i mean
[04:22] <d00d_> sounds good isnt it livecd
[04:22] <sidey> can I bug someone about the command(if thats actually what it is) CVS?
[04:23] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: that answers that question lol
[04:23] <jager> had to blacklist a couple of modules to get my intersil prism wifi card to work but that took like 5 minutes to google for and 30 seconds to fix
[04:23] <jager> feisty has a livecd install yar
[04:23] <Schueneman> ahh, now I understand
[04:23] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: if you dont see the package it tells me you dont have your sources.list setup yet, you still have the default
[04:23] <Schueneman> nvidia-glx-dev automatically removes nvidia-glx-legacy
[04:24] <dsmith_> when I type " sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf ", I get this:
[04:24] <dsmith_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 157
[04:24] <dsmith_>   Major opcode:  146
[04:24] <dsmith_> etc.....
[04:24] <dsmith_> why?
[04:25] <dsmith_> it takes kate 15-20 sec. to open
[04:25] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: here you will need this its a ACME "Kick Myself"
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> dsmith_:  thats 146 is due to the touchpad/wacom tablets being enabled by default. - harmless message
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> thats not slowing down kate.
[04:25] <jager> holy shit the beryl water effect is crazy
[04:25] <dsmith_> ok willis, thx
[04:25] <Linux_Galore> heh
[04:25] <dsmith_> haha water effect
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> wonder if thats been 'altered' in the next release. its a bit of an eyesore i agree
[04:25] <Schueneman> Linux_Galore, a what?
[04:26] <dsmith_> Dr_Willis: yep
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> dsmith_:  about time. :) heh heh.
[04:26] <dsmith_> kate doesnot load now
[04:26] <_chocobo> Hey I installed FreeNX and I don't know how to execute it
[04:26] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: you never watched Road Runner
[04:26] <Linux_Galore> ?
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> 'beep beep' ? :)
[04:26] <dsmith_> I tried FreNX, could not get it to work
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> Classic Cartoons.
[04:27] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: all the weird stuff the coyote purchases came from a company called ACME
[04:27] <Schueneman> hmm
[04:27] <Schueneman> I guess I did
[04:27] <_chocobo> How do u execute any prog after u install it?
[04:27] <Schueneman> ahh, ok
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo:  depends on how you isntalled it.. and the program.
[04:27] <dsmith_> ACME was owned by Road Runner
[04:27] <Schueneman> heh
[04:27] <dsmith_> lol
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> it pays to read the programs docs. :)
[04:27] <Schueneman> I thought he was the test pilot or something
[04:27] <sidey> ok. tryng to follow instructions on ubuntu forums link, but it states I can get sources via CVS - D etc.. and I am getting command not found
[04:27] <sidey> even using sudo
[04:27] <sidey> i trying to do this via konsole
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> sidey:  you did install the cvs packages first?
[04:28] <unix_infidel> Dr_Willis: you downloading the beta fiesty iso?
[04:28] <sidey> no, were do I get them. I am totally new to linux. and trying to learn
[04:28] <unix_infidel> or downloaded.
[04:28] <unix_infidel> or edgy/
[04:28] <Dr_Willis> unix_infidel:  its downloaded.. transfering to this box to burn to cd.. then installing it.
[04:28] <dsmith_> grrr glx is still not running
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> sidey:  you may want to spend a few hours reading some linux basics.. messing with cvs on day one.. is a bit like.. err... i cant think of a good analogy
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> sidey:  in short. 'use the package manager' :)
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> !cvs
[04:29] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[04:29] <Linux_Galore> sidey: you should not be using   CVS unless you seriously know how to use Linux
[04:29] <Schueneman> Linux_Galore, omg... now that command he tells me to type is not found -> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[04:30] <sidey> I am only trying to get a basic DCC client working.. its the reason I scraped working in linux last time. there was no active development of any linux based dcc apps
[04:30] <dsmith_> !pastebin
[04:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:30] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: yeah, try  sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> its in  /usr/bin/nvidia-xconfig here.
[04:30] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: its optional
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> sidey:  the use of the letters 'dcc' is rather vague. :) and used for a dozen differnt things I think. heh
[04:31] <Schueneman> ahhhhh
[04:31] <sidey> ahh direct connect community
[04:31] <Schueneman> this time I have an output
[04:31] <Schueneman> appearently it is ok
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> you refering to the 'dcc' transfering of files with irc clients?
[04:31] <sidey> i run a entire network there but not on linux
[04:32] <Linux_Galore> Schueneman: once you run nvida-xconfig  then run startx
[04:32] <Schueneman> I'll test and come back (hopelly)
[04:32] <Schueneman> hopefully
[04:32] <Schueneman> ctrl alt backspace, right?
[04:32] <Linux_Galore> yep
[04:32] <Schueneman> brb
[04:32] <_chocobo> SOMEONE HELP ME!
[04:32] <_chocobo> how do i execute something after i've installed it?
[04:33] <sidey> i can post the link to our website. but that wont help. one of our clients is windows based, the haveoffered $260 in donations to port the project to linux so far
[04:33] <sidey> I just want something so I can run linux on this machine. native
[04:33] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo:  it depends.. if it isntalls a binary to the normal path you type the commands name.
[04:33] <_chocobo> Dr_Willis: Whats the normal path?
[04:33] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo:  echo $PATH
[04:33] <Schuenemann> it worked!
[04:33] <dsmith_> ok would someone mind looking at my xorg.conf?
[04:33] <dsmith_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15729/
[04:33] <zenekkkk> co tam obwiesie?
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> ~$ echo $PATH
[04:34] <Schuenemann> I never thought I'd be so happy to see the nvidia logo
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/games
[04:34] <zenekkkk> kurwa ale nik durny mam
[04:34] <dsmith_> i want 1440x900 res.
[04:34] <dsmith_> and I have it set at 1260x768
[04:34] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: well it would have worked if you hadnt removed the package by accident
[04:34] <dsmith_> wont go higher
[04:34] <Schuenemann> hehe
[04:34] <Schuenemann> it was adept
[04:35] <Schuenemann> that tutorial tells you to select 2 conflicting packages
[04:35] <_chocobo> What do i do with this path?
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> last tutorial i read said 'install one or the other'
[04:35] <Schuenemann> I don't have that irritating smooth scrolling anymore
[04:35] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, thanks for your patience
[04:35] <ututox> http://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1
[04:36] <ututox> http://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1
[04:36] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo:  im thinking you are trying 'too' hard on this. normally a program isntalls its binary (or a binary) into one of those default directories. so you can just type its name.
[04:36] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo:  thats not to say that EVERY progarm does that. but normally they do.
[04:36] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, well, now blender should not crash X, right?
[04:36] <_chocobo> so if i wanted to execute freenx
[04:36] <_chocobo> i'd just type freenx
[04:36] <_chocobo> into terminal
[04:36] <_chocobo> ?
[04:36] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: you only go down this path once then you have the horror scoured into you brain
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: we can but hope
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo:  i would guess somthing like that.. but it is proberly a very good idea to read the docs on using freenx.
[04:37] <dsmith_> anyone look at my paste?
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo: it may need some configuration. ive never used freenx - but ive heard of it.
[04:37] <Schuenemann> what horror you're talking about?
[04:38] <_chocobo> Dr_Willis: do u know a better remote desktop
[04:38] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: accidentally stuffing up your packages
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo:  'better' is relative. I tend to use 'vnc' or the X 'xdmcp' features
[04:38] <Schuenemann> but it wasn't my fault :p
[04:38] <Schuenemann> when I selected the second package, it disabled the first
[04:38] <sonoftheclayr> dsmith_: in system settinngs go to monitor and display (or something similar) and under the hardware tab in the monitor section change the hardware to whatever res you want
[04:38] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yes but it shows that in the package manager
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo:  what sort of remote machine are you trying to access?
[04:39] <Schuenemann> yeah... I was just following the wiki and didn't pay enough attention
[04:40] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: Im always wary of Wiki entries, they are a guide but not a literal
[04:40] <dsmith_> sonoftheclayr: I already placed it at 1440x900 (widescreen)
[04:40] <_chocobo> Dr_Willis: Just mine from school... I am running edgy here and I want to access it through a window client
[04:40] <Schuenemann> I'll remember that
[04:40] <sonoftheclayr> dsmith_: restarted X?
[04:40] <Schuenemann> the horror is scorched into my brain now
[04:40] <dsmith_> once already
[04:40] <dsmith_> let me try again
[04:40] <Schuenemann> now let me try blender
[04:41] <Schuenemann> to make sure it was worth all that
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo:  vnc can do that very nicely.    I normally 'ssh' into the remote linux box. run a vncserver, then vnc into it. (I set it up to use a veyr light weight desktop in vnc also)
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo:  vnc is a very flexable and powerfull tool
[04:43] <dsmith_> sonoftheclayr: ok I have two higher resolutions but not 1440x900
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> plus you can use vnc to spy on what the kids are doing. :)
[04:44] <sonoftheclayr> dsmith_: did you go into the hardware tab and change the hardware settings?
[04:44] <dsmith_> yes
[04:44] <dsmith_> it picks up the generic geforce card
[04:44] <dsmith_> nvidia driver
[04:44] <dsmith_> monitor #1 says flat panel 1440x900
[04:45] <dsmith_> widescreen
[04:45] <dsmith_> i must be missing something
[04:45] <sonoftheclayr> dsmith_: and you can't change it? have you tried nvidia-settings?
[04:45] <dsmith_> one sec
[04:45] <Shuenemann> Linux_Galore, now blender doesn't even start... I see the hourglass in the task bar, then it goes away and nothing else
[04:46] <dsmith_> i can change the res. to higher but the not 1440x900; the highest res. on this panel
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> Shuenemann:  try running blender from a terminal. may see some error messages.
[04:46] <Shuenemann> hmm
[04:47] <Shuenemann> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:47] <dsmith_> when I start nvidia-settings, it shows blank
[04:47] <mathersalan> moo
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> Oink!
[04:48] <Shuenemann> Dr_Willis, I see that message all over 'glxinfo'
[04:48] <mathersalan> does anyone here have a Toshiba lappy running a radeon 9000 IGP ??
[04:48] <dsmith_> Dr_willis: same here
[04:49] <lettuce> Wheneve i want to open a torrent, I have ot download it to the desktop and THEN open it with the program i use. How do i set it up so that firefox just opens up the torrent with the program?
[04:49] <dsmith_> lettuce: I just download torrents to the desktop
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> lettuce:  depends on the torrent client also.
[04:49] <dsmith_> then drag drop
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> I find it MUCH easier to keep all my .torrents in some dir. for later access.. then letting the torrent client start them automaticially
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> some torrent clients can auto 'watch' a specific dir also.
[04:50] <dsmith_> yep, I have one for incompelete and complete
[04:51] <Schuenemann> Dr_Willis, you have any ideas on what to do?
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> Schuenemann:  not even sure what the exact problem is.
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> about to reboot to install kubuntu  beta soon. :)
[04:51] <Schuenemann> well, I installed the nvidia drivers and now blender does not start
[04:52] <Dr_Willis> Schuenemann:  ive not messed with the nvida stuff since the last install. and not touched blender in ages.
[04:52] <Schuenemann> error message is: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:52] <Schuenemann> that is not just for blender, for any glx stuff
[04:52] <dsmith_> Schueneman: thats what I am seeing
[04:52] <Dr_Willis> that could be just a 'warning' and dosent matter.. or you may need to edit the xorg.conf to load some glx/other module
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> Id have to say check the ubuntu/kubuntu forums. its proberly a common 'issue'
[04:53] <Schuenemann> there is Load "glx" in my xorg.conf
[04:53] <dsmith_> same for me
[04:53] <dsmith_> I just checked
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking the nvidia stuff needed you to REMOVE that glx line. :)
[04:53] <lettuce> well I use azures (or however yo spell it) would I be able to make it the default? I think I did it before on xubuntu
[04:53] <cskj> is there a version of ares peer to peer that works on linux?
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> since it had its own.. but i forget.
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> well i am rebooting/installing.. be back in about an hr.
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> unless the live cd installs REAL fast. :)
[04:54] <dsmith_> Schueneman: what driver are you using?
[04:55] <Schuenemann> nvidia
[04:55] <dsmith_> no I mean the verson
[04:55] <Schuenemann> the card?
[04:56] <dsmith_> version of the driver
[04:56] <Schuenemann> I don't know
[04:56] <Schuenemann> I only know I just installed it
[04:56] <dsmith_> did you pull it off the nvidia website?
[04:56] <Schuenemann> apt-get
[04:57] <dsmith_> hmmm ok
[05:02] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, are you still there?
[05:02] <alex_d_655321> hmm
[05:06] <alex_d_655321> i see your shwarts is as big as mine....... now lets see how well u handle it
[05:06] <Schuenemann> my what?
[05:06] <alex_d_655321> hehe
[05:06] <alex_d_655321> shwartz
[05:06] <alex_d_655321> spaceball madness
[05:07] <Schuenemann> ???
[05:07] <alex_d_655321> hehe
[05:07] <alex_d_655321> download spaceballs!!
[05:07] <orac7000> mel brooks humor
[05:07] <alex_d_655321> the best movie
[05:07] <alex_d_655321> thats right
[05:07] <Schuenemann> ??
[05:07] <Schuenemann> heh
[05:08] <orac7000> parody of star wars........shwartz=force
[05:08] <alex_d_655321> so does anyone have feisty kubuntu i can download?
[05:08] <alex_d_655321> star wars copied spaceballs.......... hehe
[05:08] <Schuenemann> feisty will be released 19th I believe
[05:08] <Schuenemann> never heard of space balls
[05:08] <alex_d_655321> hmmm...... someone just sent me here to get it ..... ah well
[05:08] <sonoftheclayr> Schuenemann: the week of the 19th
[05:09] <Schuenemann> hmm
[05:09] <Schuenemann> well, we're on that week
[05:09] <alex_d_655321> i feel dirty using xp
[05:09] <Schuenemann> at least on my local time
[05:09] <alex_d_655321> i feel like a corporate stooge
[05:09] <orac7000> gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[05:09] <sonoftheclayr> fair chance it won't be released on the 19th because of all the kernel problems it's been having recenly (friday the 13th luck)
[05:10] <alex_d_655321> friday the 13th is a golden day.......
[05:10] <alex_d_655321> all hail mr voorhees
[05:10] <Schuenemann> I'll hail whoever solves my glx issue
[05:10] <alex_d_655321> hehe
[05:10] <Schuenemann> :)
[05:10] <alex_d_655321> jason voorhees solves all
[05:10] <alex_d_655321> with his machette!!!
[05:10] <Schuenemann> what is his e-mail?
[05:11] <alex_d_655321> crystal_lake@voorhees.com
[05:11] <Schuenemann> ahh, I realized who is that guy
[05:11] <alex_d_655321> hehe
[05:12] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore_, hey!
[05:12] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore_, can you give me a last help?
[05:13] <alex_d_655321> anyone here use linux/kubuntu for audio producion?
[05:13] <compilerwriter> linux_galore gdm did fire up automatically, but could not get the xdmcp session to occur without firing up kdm.  I must not have something configured correctly somewhere.
[05:13] <alex_d_655321> lousy wireless keyboard........
[05:14] <alex_d_655321> guess not
[05:16] <soulrider_> oh lol, im watching SNL and they are making fun of windows!
[05:16] <Schuenemann> what is SNL?
[05:16] <soulrider_> saturday night live
[05:16] <soulrider_> it son right now where i live
[05:17] <Schuenemann> that dave something show?
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> SNL's always on somewhere
[05:17] <soulrider_> yeah lol
[05:17] <Schuenemann> that guy is stupid
[05:18] <soulrider_> no, saturday night live, no dave nothing show :P
[05:18] <Schuenemann> the person that leads the program
[05:19] <soulrider_> no
[05:19] <soulrider_> theres allways a new host
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, are you thinking of Dave Chappelle?
[05:19] <soulrider_> allways celebrities
[05:20] <Schuenemann> david letterman
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> oh, ok
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> different show
[05:20] <Schuenemann> nevermind my comment then
[05:21] <Schuenemann> well, good night
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> night
[05:29] <cskj> hey can anyone help me with an edonkey problem?
[05:29] <cskj> sorry amule problem
[05:29] <sonoftheclayr> maybe
[05:30] <sonoftheclayr> !ask | cskj
[05:30] <ubotu> cskj: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:30] <osiris> how would i find out what /dev a usb device is ?
[05:30] <cskj> ok
[05:30] <osiris> a logitech usb headset to be exact
[05:30] <cskj> when i try connecting to amule is says error connecting to (/home...
[05:30] <cskj> and i cannot read the rest of the path
[05:30] <cskj> plus it just doesn;t connect
[05:31] <osiris> i figure its /dev/dsp something, but /dev/dsp1 doesnt seem to be working
[05:31] <osiris> and i know the OB soundcard is /dev/dsp
[05:32] <stdin> osiris: in /dev/, a usb device is under /dev/bus/usb/<bus>/<device> (lsusb will show you the bus and device numbers)
[05:32] <stdin> osiris: but that's just raw device access, not what the kernel/udev gives it
[05:33] <osiris> ok, so what does teamspeak want.  =)
[05:33] <osiris> prolly not the bus id
[05:33] <stdin> osiris: look at the output of dmesg when you plug it in, it may give some clues
[05:34] <cskj> can't anyone help me with my amule prob?
[05:39] <cskj> ok well now when i try to connect to amule it says no valid servers found in server list
[05:39] <_chocobo> Hey
[05:39] <cskj> how can i fix this problem??
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> Gotta love it when Linux installs and gets your WideScreen Resolution Monitor Correctly.
[05:41] <_chocobo> I need help with my sound...
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, what's wrong
[05:42] <dmercie> hi i am new to linux and ubuntu
[05:42] <_chocobo> I get sound through browsers, aim conversations and other stuff but not when I play a movie or use any movie/audio applications
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, do you have the necessary codecs installed?
[05:43] <_chocobo> i don't think so
[05:43] <_chocobo> how can i go about doing htat
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> dmercie, welcome aboard!
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> !codecs _chocobo
[05:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codecs _chocobo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> !codecs | _chocobo
[05:43] <ubotu> _chocobo: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:43] <dmercie> thanks hitmanWilly
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> dmercie, former windows user?
[05:44] <dmercie> yes
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> you'll like linux then
[05:44] <dmercie> just installed Kubuntu on my acer laptop
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> dmercie, it takes awhile to get used to, but it makes sense once you figure it out
[05:46] <dmercie> Well for the first time I got internet access from wireless
[05:46] <dmercie> took me a day...or two
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> you're already ahead of the game then
[05:46] <dmercie> Yeah and i like it
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> a lot of folks can't get wifi in linux at all
[05:46] <dmercie> what about you hitmanWilly
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> nix user since 99
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> back in the dark ages
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:47] <dmercie> wow that means lots of experience
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> some
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> nix changes fast
[05:48] <dmercie> I tried Fedora dist and Freebsd for server side but now trying kubuntu for desktop...
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> used Fedora for a while, didn't like RPM's
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> ive had issues with all package managers and all distros..:) some more then others.. heh heh.
[05:50] <dmercie> any pref
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> Package Management is just such an Interesting and complex 'area' :)
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> they don't call it RPM hell for nothing
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> hitmanWilly:  i find the term rpmhell to be rather... well.. closed minded.. ive also had apt hell, and source hell, and  you name-it-hell
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> about any disrto and any package manager.. i can manage to break it seems. :)
[05:51] <dmercie> just used Adept gui interface... well for newbies like me
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> true enough, apt just seems to work better for me
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> the apt system is veyr well done.. but very very.. well.. overly complex? i guess.. but the task it does is a complex one..
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> its such an interesting 'area' of computer ussage.
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> package management is the one thing that windows users seem to have the hardest time getting their heads around
[05:52] <aegis17> Hey, I need some help... actually a lot of help... I can't for the life of me get wireless to work
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> a tug of war in ways between 'reliability' and 'flexability' walking the tight rope they are using in the tug of war. :)
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> aegis17, what brand of card?
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> window  could really USE some better package manageing.
[05:53] <aegis17> I was able to connect earlier this afternoon, to a WEP encrypted wifi, but I have since switched to WPA, and the network no longer shows up
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> windows could use a lot of better things :)
[05:53] <aegis17> lspci shows Atheros Communications, AR5005G
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> so the card does work, at least partially?
[05:54] <aegis17> It <did>
[05:54] <aegis17> well, as far as I know, it still does... the problem lies elsewhere
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> wifi isnt really my area
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> i prefer a hardline
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> ive ran wires in all my ductwork. :)
[05:55] <hitmanWilly> yeah, i can splice ethernet in my sleep now
[05:55] <aegis17> For some reason, I think Knetworkmanager is stuck on manual configuration... any ideas why it would do that?
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> aegis17, you could always reconfig the package
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> it might work
[05:56] <aegis17> I did purge it and reinstall, to no avail
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[05:56] <dmercie> for wpa, don<t you need something called wpasupplicant?
[05:57] <aegis17> It is installed
[05:57] <pirothezero> anyone know the command for choosing the xfs filesystem when you are formatting in fdisk?
[05:57] <aegis17> When I try to manually configure my wifi card in knetworkmanager, there's no option to switch from WEP to WPA
[05:57] <aegis17> in fact, no networks show up in knetworkmanager to begin with
[05:58] <aegis17> If I right click the menu icon, select Options > Show Networks, no networks show there
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> aegis17, try installing kwlan
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> its a frontend for wpasupplicant
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> pirothezero:  you dont normally 'format' from fdisk. You use 't' to set the filesystem type however. (l will give a list of the #'s)
[05:59] <pirothezero> ya i meant mkfs =/
[05:59] <pirothezero> sorry
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> mkfs.xfs - i THINK perhaps?
[05:59] <dmercie> if you understand french =>http://www.grafactory.net/blog/2005/12/26/111-le-wpa-en-5-minutes-sur-ubuntu-ou-debian
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> i cant recall ever using xfs
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> aegis17, or xsupplicant
[06:00] <N6REJ> anyone around that can help me get vmware server working?
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ:  whats the exact problem?
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> aegis17, actually, install xsupplicant, i think its req'd for wpa networks
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> Ive installed vmware server dozens of times. :) but not under  the latest fawn yet...
[06:02] <eams> someone knows what dsmod is?
[06:02] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: I did the install following these instructions http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209 and yes, I'm using fiesty, and it complained about some modules missing during the config ( 2nd part ) so I looked and found the module package but its still complaining about the same thing when I run /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl
[06:02] <eams> short description please
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> !info | dsmod
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> !info dsmod
[06:02] <ubotu> Package dsmod does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ:  hmm.. i will have to try it some time soon. it 'should' build the propeer modules from souce. assuming you got the build-essential and kernel source installed.
[06:03] <eams> Thank you!
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ:  may want to test out 'Virtualbox' if you cant get vmware going.
[06:03] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: lets not assume anything at this point LOL... perhaps I need the opensource vmware server?
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> but i find vmware works better for my stuff.
[06:03] <N6REJ> will virtualbox photoshop and stuff lik ethat?
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ:  i always  use the 'free' one.
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> if it can run the OS - it should.
[06:04] <N6REJ> ok, perhaps, I had to have those modules installed BEFORE I did the first vmware part?
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> been testing virtualbox under windows to run linux live cd's - its had a few issues.  not tried it to run wndows  in it yet.
[06:04] <N6REJ> can I remove it and reinstall clean?
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ:  not sure - depends on which/what modules its refering to.
[06:05] <N6REJ> let me show the error.
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> the vmware source/installer normally builds several modules.
[06:05] <N6REJ> ok, perhaps I should just reinstall like its new?
[06:05] <Kikkoman> :\
[06:05] <N6REJ> can I do that?
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> can you.. :) heh.  should be able to..
[06:05] <Kikkoman> If I did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, does that mean I am running Kubuntu?
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> lets see.. my feisty is now uopdates.. getting build-essential.. lets track down that vmware package..
[06:06] <aegis__> Hey, I think kwlan worked!
[06:06] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: I hear yeah... I'm never quite figured out how to remove non-"packaged" programs
[06:06] <aegis__> Sec, pulling out landline...
[06:06] <aegis__> If you can read this, hitmanwilly, I love you.
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> thanks
[06:07] <dsmith___> awwww
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> Oh good grief. feisty dident auto-mount my ntfs   partitions.. grrr
[06:07] <dsmith___> ok I got 1440x900 to come up
[06:07] <Kikkoman> x.x
[06:07] <dsmith___> however, when I reboot i get a API mismatch
[06:07] <dsmith___> what is a API mismatch
[06:08] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: hey, thats slick, telling it to install automatically made it uninstall itself first!
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> all i did was a synaptic search for wpa
[06:08] <aegis__> Okay, Problem #2.  How do I get dual-monitor support? I have been hacking away at my xorg.conf all afternoon, and have had varying degrees of success, but have yet to get the second monitor working properly
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> aegis__: what video card?
[06:08] <aegis__> I have a Radeon 9800, Dell 2005FPW (20.1" widescreen, 1680x1050) and Dell Suck (17" d-sub)
[06:09] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: its asking me where to put the binary, and is prompting /usr/bin
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ:  yep  - i just use the defaults for all that
[06:09] <N6REJ> k
[06:09] <Kikkoman> Ok, my question
[06:09] <Kikkoman> How do I open ports 6667,7000, and 50000?
[06:10] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: ##n6rej
[06:10] <aegis__> Dr_Willis: Do you have a dual monitor setup, or any advice how I could configure mine?
[06:10] <aegis__> I would like 3D support, so I'm guessing I need proprietary ATI drivers
[06:11] <Kikkoman> ;A;
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> aegis__: yes most likely you will need the actual ati/fglrx drivers
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ:  igs going to take 10+ min for me to download the vmware package
[06:12] <bill> aegis__: Do you also go by the name Salo?
[06:12] <aegis__> I tried the fglrx drivers, but haven't been able to get to KDM login window yet; bill: nope
[06:12] <bill> lol ok
[06:12] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: I've got plenty of time.  I'll just pause
[06:12] <aegis__> I go by the name aegis17, but I got disconnected when I installed kwlan
[06:13] <bill> ok, what can I use to rip CD audio to mp3? I need to add some songs to my mp3 player
[06:13] <Kikkoman> Ok #kubuntu, What is the sudo apt-get command to install the KDE  iptable frontend?
[06:13] <N6REJ> bill k3b
[06:14] <N6REJ> Kikkoman: do you know how to search adept?
[06:14] <mikey> gawd having a bad time with debian
[06:14] <N6REJ> mikey: why?
[06:14] <mikey> and their room ovef there <-------- is not too friendly
[06:15] <Kikkoman> N6REJ: I don't know for certain
[06:15] <mikey> well, I should assume debian is not for the un-initiated
[06:15] <mikey> but I thought I'd give it a whirl
[06:15] <bill> K3b is for burning
[06:15] <bill> I need to rip to mp3
[06:15] <ranjan> Kikkoman: sudo apt-cache search [package name, eg: amarok]  to search for a package without adept
[06:15] <mikey> for starters, no-sound, cannot mount internal ide's
[06:16] <mikey> switching from gnome to kde, maybe I'll have better luck
[06:16] <cadoo> Kikkoman try using firestarter
[06:16] <N6REJ> Kikkoman: ok, here's how adept works in a nut shell, if you use kde and go to "system then adept" you have a nice gui.  else you have basically 4 commands.  apt-get install, apt-get remove, apt-cache search & lastly apt-cache show.  Does that help?
[06:16] <livenicely> hello
[06:16] <livenicely> i cant lisaten sound when i play vcd or .dat file in keffiene. help me
[06:16] <flaccid> !sound
[06:16] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:16] <aegis17> Does anyone have a dual-monitor setup that could help me configure my xorg.conf file?
[06:16] <flaccid> !codecs
[06:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> thers some add on for the default kde file manager. that shows a cd audio as a series of dirs. with .mp3 and other format dirs for the songs as well.
[06:16] <Kikkoman> N6REJ: I believe it does
[06:16] <N6REJ> bill sorry, my bad, use amarok then
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> dont forget the  'apt://' thing in konqueror.
[06:17] <flaccid> also http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:17] <N6REJ> flaccid: I was supposed to remember to tell you something and I forgot LOL
[06:17] <flaccid> hhaha
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> oops its apt:/
[06:17] <_chocobo> HEY whats a prog thats equal to Dreamweaver for Linux?
[06:18] <N6REJ> _chocobo: quantas
[06:18] <flaccid> !info nvu > _chocobo
[06:18] <lettuce> does ktorrent have a pause feature?
[06:18] <_chocobo> k i got quantas and nvu
[06:18] <_chocobo> which one is better
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> lettuce:  you can pause torrent downloads and resume them later.. yes.
[06:18] <flaccid> _chocobo: personal preference
[06:18] <N6REJ> _chocobo: which is better, chocolate or vanilla :D
[06:19] <N6REJ> flaccid: get out of my head LOL
[06:19] <flaccid> they are both promising projects. i think i found nvu to be more logical
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> DarkChocklet-Mocha is best! it has caffine!
[06:19] <N6REJ> lol
[06:19] <N6REJ> flaccid: what were we working on last night do you remember?
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis, actually, i usually use apt:\\
[06:19] <lettuce> well it only lets me stop them, so that whenever I just want to tell it to resume all, it starts to seed all of my torrents
[06:19] <flaccid> no idea
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> However thers a lot to be said for a GOOD vanilla
[06:19] <_chocobo> so i could just downlaod the .deb package and install it?
[06:19] <flaccid> i can't even remember my penis size
[06:20] <flaccid> _chocobo: install the package
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> hitmanWilly:  that one aint working for me under feisty.. i 'think that ' a single \ is supposed to be a local thing/service and 2 \\ is for remote services
[06:20] <flaccid> _chocobo: adept or apt-get
[06:20] <lettuce> is there just a regular pause feature instead?
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> dr_
[06:20] <_chocobo> flaccid: what do u mean adept or apt-get
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> enter is not tab :)
[06:20] <flaccid> !adept
[06:20] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:20] <flaccid> !apt-get
[06:20] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis, works fine for me
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis, in feisty
[06:21] <anadgouda> Has anyone tried to upgrade to Feisty Fawn beta with the upgrade tool?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> well i enter 'apt://' here - on this new shiny install. and it dont work. it goes to /media
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> oddly
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis, i think your slashes are backwards
[06:22] <N6REJ> ok guys, OT help!  need to convert ml to cc's anyone got a clue?
[06:22] <N6REJ> got sick kittens
[06:22] <N6REJ> anadgouda: yep, works great
[06:22] <bill> hmmm
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, i ml = i cc
[06:22] <ziko> hello all
[06:22] <dmercie> Hi I just tried sudo apt-get install vmware-player, but got E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). Got any idea ?
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> well / works. :) \ does and \\ does.. // dont
[06:23] <bill> how can I make KAudioCreator encode to mp3?
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> *1
[06:23] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: really?  cool!
[06:23] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: why did they just say that.
[06:23] <ziko> if there someone who can help me to configure my local network? (pc2pc windoz/linux) please =)
[06:23] <_chocobo> how do i find a repository that has nvu
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> i dunno
[06:23] <_chocobo> or quantus
[06:23] <ranjan> type ml to cc in google search bar
[06:23] <williamb> Hey
[06:24] <stdin> dmercie: post the whole errors not just the last one
[06:24] <zombiedog> Quick question, can anyone recommend a system monitor with SMART reading and fan speed controls?
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> ziko:  configure it to do what exactly?
[06:24] <ranjan> bill: if you have k3b 1.0 use that instead for mp3 encoding
[06:25] <bill> 1.0...I have 0.12.17
[06:25] <ziko> Dr_Willis: so, i try to connect from this pc (linux kubuntu) to my laptop (winxp home)
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> 1 cc of water (a cubic centimeter) is equilivent to 1 mililetter of water.
[06:25] <bill> did it really jump that much?
[06:25] <zombiedog> Anyone, just quickly?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> ziko:  and... conect how? seeing the desktop? file shares?
[06:25] <dmercie> Starting VMware services:
[06:25] <zombiedog> Just the name of a package anyone could recommend.
[06:26] <flaccid> zombiedog: not sure on the monitor thing, but for smart there is smartmontools
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> zombiedog:  try apt-cache search smart
[06:26] <dmercie>    Virtual machine monitor                                            failed
[06:26] <zombiedog> How about fan speeds?
[06:26] <dmercie>    Virtual ethernet                                                   failed
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> fanspeeds are normally part of the lm-sensors stuff
[06:26] <stdin> dmercie: if it's multiple lines, use pastebin (or you'll got kicked)
[06:26] <ziko> Dr_Willis: i configure my samba to everyone (without paswrd), start samba server, goin to samba networks & dunno see anything
[06:26] <dmercie> invoke-rc.d: initscript vmware-player, action "start" failed
[06:27] <stdin> !pastebin
[06:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:27] <zombiedog> Fair enough, I'll look into that
[06:27] <zombiedog> Thanks
[06:27] <ranjan> bill: if u are on edgy, thats the version, feisty has 1.0
[06:27] <premier_> hello, I have an ati graphics card and the fglrx drivers seem to fail for no reason.  This has happend before, but I don't remember what I did to fix it.  Can someone help me debug it?
[06:27] <ziko> and now, KNetworkManager don't seeing my first ethernet card (eth0 = my connexion to my freebox (internet)) & second connected with eth1 to my laptop by RJ45 cable
[06:28] <_chocobo> K here is my next question
[06:28] <_chocobo> What is a good ftp client for linux
[06:28] <ranjan> bill: or check this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38486
[06:28] <flaccid> !info kftpgrabber
[06:28] <ubotu> kftpgrabber: KDE FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.0beta1-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 989 kB, installed size 2792 kB
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> konqueror can do ftp
[06:28] <bill> so I just sudp apt-get update k3b then?
[06:28] <stdin> _chocobo: konqueror is great for ftp
[06:28] <flaccid> !info krusader
[06:28] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.70.1-1 (edgy), package size 2547 kB, installed size 6940 kB
[06:28] <dsmith_> well I solved my problems
[06:28] <N6REJ> _chocobo: whish I knew.... I don't like any that I've seen yet.
[06:28] <dsmith_> got 1440x900 running and no x crashes along with api mistaches
[06:28] <_chocobo> kk
[06:28] <bill> *sudo
[06:28] <dsmith_> *mismatches
[06:29] <flaccid> i recommend kftpgrabber and krusader for ftp
[06:29] <_chocobo> are there any must have porgrams for linux
[06:29] <premier_> N6REJ: yeah, I bought this dell before I moved over to linux.  It has $2500 worth of hardware in it, (and the hardware is actually worth that much, I'd say) but because its dell, its really like a $1000 computer at best.  Especially in Linux
[06:29] <flaccid> _chocobo: not really. its all optional
[06:29] <dsmith_> I removed the restricted files and reinstalld nvidia driver
[06:29] <dsmith_> works fine
[06:29] <dsmith_> :)
[06:29] <dmercie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15731/
[06:30] <stdin> _chocobo: mostly the "must have" apps are pre-installed for yoy
[06:30] <stdin> *you
[06:30] <premier_> does anyone know how to check if my graphics card is working correctly?  I 3D screensavers have about 5 fps, so I know somethings wrong
[06:30] <dsmith_> chocob: amarok is a must, but thats preinstalled
[06:30] <ranjan> bill: or check this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38486
[06:31] <stdin> amaroK rocKs
[06:31] <_chocobo> Anybody know how to chmod a file? How can i get into the directory of my website server through terminal
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ:  it LOOKS liek the vmware script is having some issues compiling the modules.. not sure what the deal is..
[06:31] <dsmith_> chocob: thunderbird/firefox, but those have to be installed
[06:31] <N6REJ> flaccid: my major problem with the packages I've tried for ftp is in their properties handling.  Like when you want to chmod a set of directorys.  That are in parrallel, not recursive.  I haven't found any that will do it well yet.
[06:31] <zombiedog> premier, the ati drivers aren't installed
[06:31] <dsmith_> stdin: yes
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> In file included from /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:80:
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/compat_kernel.h:21: error: expected declaration specifiers or ... before compat_exit
[06:31] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: did you install the vmware kernel mod for fiesty?
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> premier_, glxinfo | grep direct
[06:31] <flaccid> _chocobo: chmod for chmod and use ftp or ssh for your website remote access
[06:31] <zombiedog> premier_ I had that problem up until recently
[06:31] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: yeah, same thing
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ:  ive just gotten the vmware source. and build-essential, and kernel sources
[06:31] <premier_> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:31] <premier_> direct rendering: No
[06:31] <premier_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> not sure if anything else that needs to be done
[06:32] <flaccid> N6REJ: i think krusader can maybe. i use sh for that kind of operation
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> premier_, that means no
[06:32] <premier_> in other words, fail
[06:32] <_chocobo> flaccid: how can i ssh
[06:32] <premier_> yeah, lol
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> i like 'mc' for my file manager
[06:32] <flaccid> _chocobo: ssh host.com
[06:32] <bill> cool beans, thank you loads
[06:32] <flaccid> _chocobo: use konsole
[06:32] <_chocobo> konsole?
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> brb - lets see if i got the nvidia stuff instaled right
[06:32] <bill> I'm just gonna use konqueror
[06:32] <stdin> _chocobo: or "ssh user@host.com"
[06:32] <_chocobo> flaccid: terminal
[06:32] <premier_> hitmanWilly: what should I do?  Is there anything that doesn't involve reinstalling my drivers (again)?
[06:32] <N6REJ> flaccid: I'll try that.
[06:32] <flaccid> _chocobo: yes a terminal
[06:32] <ranjan> !konsole
[06:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <flaccid> !info konsole
[06:32] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.4 (edgy), package size 711 kB, installed size 2192 kB
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> premier_, did you edit your xorg.conf for the fglrx drivers?
[06:33] <flaccid> you can also use ssh -l flaccid host.com
[06:33] <meuhlol> so if someone can help me to configure my local network please? (pc2pc linux2windoz)
[06:33] <_chocobo> flaccid: whats the difference between ssh and ftp?
[06:33] <dmercie> ok here it is for vmware => http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15731/
[06:33] <the_hammer> anyone here have problems with kubuntu beta reading dvd +R?
[06:33] <flaccid> _chocobo: alot.
[06:34] <aldin> hi, cant connect on FTP to public IP... 500 Illegal PORT command
[06:34] <aldin> ftp: bind: Address already in use http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15732/ but i can connect it from localhost
[06:34] <_chocobo> flaccid: when i do ssh user@host.com it just gives me nothing and its blank
[06:34] <premier_> hitmanWilly: no, and they were working perfectly until recently. I don't know why the fail all the sudden, I don't remember doing anything that would break them
[06:34] <stdin> _chocobo: ssh is a full shell, ftp is just for transiring files (file transfir protocol)
[06:34] <flaccid> _chocobo: the remote ssh server is not responding most likely or you cannot get to it
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> premier_, try reinstalling the drivers first
[06:34] <ranjan> the_hammer: yes http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=403403
[06:34] <N6REJ> where'd dr go
[06:34] <_chocobo> do i need to enable ssh
[06:34] <_chocobo> or osmething
[06:34] <_chocobo> ?
[06:34] <flaccid> _chocobo: the remote server needs to support ssh
[06:35] <N6REJ> dmercie: here's the error I get
[06:35] <N6REJ> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15733/
[06:35] <_chocobo> flaccid: what if tis godaddy
[06:35] <stdin> _chocobo: change "user" to a username and "host.com" for a REAL hostname you have access to
[06:35] <flaccid> _chocobo: ask them, i doubt it
[06:35] <flaccid> heh this aint godaddy support chan..
[06:35] <_chocobo> lol
[06:35] <_chocobo> srry
[06:35] <flaccid> omg
[06:35] <_chocobo> but what if i want to ssh a computer?
[06:35] <flaccid> heh
[06:35] <_chocobo> do i ssh <ip adress?
[06:35] <flaccid> you cannot ssh a computer
[06:35] <_chocobo> what if i want to get shell access of a computer
[06:36] <flaccid> yes you can do ssh 123.123.123.123
[06:36] <N6REJ> _chocobo:  ssh user@computername
[06:36] <_chocobo> do i have to foward some ports in my router?
[06:36] <flaccid> _chocobo: probably. port 22
[06:36] <the_hammer> i have a dvd +R data disk and it wont read at all...but yes in edgy i had no problems at all reading or burning dvd +R
[06:36] <stdin> _chocobo: no, only if you want to connect TO your computer FROM another one
[06:36] <_chocobo> but then that would give access to ppl that want to screw my comp
[06:36] <Cosmo___> lol I have now spent at least 6 hours customizing Kubuntu, not because it was hard but because there was so much stuff I could customize =)
[06:37] <meuhlol> so if someone can help me to configure my local network please? (pc2pc linux2windoz)
[06:37] <flaccid> _chocobo: not if you have secure passwords
[06:37] <the_hammer> word on the web is the new release for kubuntu is sometime next week i hope this issue is resolved before hand
[06:37] <stdin> Cosmo___: you can make KDE look like anything you want, that (one reason) why it's so great :)
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, maybe, but ssh is pretty secure, at least as secure as your password
[06:37] <Cosmo___> stdin: exactly
[06:37] <ranjan> the_hammer: is your drive SATA?
[06:37] <_chocobo> hitmanWilly: so its ok for opening prot 22
[06:37] <flaccid> root account for ssh is disabled by default iirc
[06:38] <the_hammer> my hard drive is sata yeah
[06:38] <flaccid> 22 is open on my servers ..
[06:38] <_chocobo> kk
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, yeah, more or less
[06:38] <ranjan> the_hammer : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2426558
[06:38] <Cosmo___> been playing with applets, color schemes, icons, etc
[06:38] <dmercie> N6REJ : did you recompile a custom kernel ?
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, they can't get root through it anyway
[06:39] <_chocobo> so if i wanted to connect to my comp from school aka windows machine could i access my comp with a graphical interface through a browser?
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, at least not as far as i know
[06:39] <N6REJ> dmercie: nope
[06:39] <_chocobo> how bout through a client program
[06:39] <flaccid> !vnc
[06:39] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, nope, ssh is text only
[06:39] <Cosmo___> although I haven't quite found a icon set I really like
[06:39] <flaccid> _chocobo: use vnc / xvnc
[06:39] <dmercie> you sure you have a compatible gcc version for your kernel ?
[06:39] <stdin> _chocobo: there are windows SSH clients (eg Putty), but if you want to use GUI apps on it, you'll need a windows X server
[06:40] <N6REJ> dmercie: no, how do I check?
[06:40] <flaccid> stdin: he does run an X server already :)
[06:40] <ranjan> the_hammer: its been fixed in latest feisty as per launchpad comments
[06:40] <stdin> _chocobo: and it's SLOW over a internet connection
[06:40] <_chocobo> so how would i go about getting ssh from a windows machine to a linux machine
[06:40] <stdin> flaccid: on windows?
[06:40] <ranjan> _chocobo: install putty on windows
[06:40] <flaccid> xorg is an X server
[06:40] <premier_> hitmanWilly: I'm following the instructions, it says to apt-get the drivers, but I already have them, can I go ahead to the configuration step?
[06:40] <stdin> _chocobo: install putty in windows
[06:40] <premier_> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[06:40] <dmercie> gcc -v
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> premier_, yeah, probably
[06:41] <stdin> flaccid: like i said, on windows?
[06:41] <the_hammer> i got the beta for now cant wait for the finaly to come out
[06:41] <flaccid> stdin: he wants to access his ubuntu desktop from windows
[06:41] <N6REJ> dmercie: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15734/
[06:41] <the_hammer> hehe i always have 1 problem or another hardware related...in edgy i couldnt get the right drivers for my vid card and now in the beta my video is fine just cant burn or play dvd+r
[06:42] <the_hammer> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.20-15-generic |  Dual Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6300  @ 1.86GHz 2047.538 MHz | Bogomips: 8195.11 | Mem: 852/1011M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 72.29G Free: 64.17G | Procs: 114 | Uptime: 49 mins 28 secs | Load: 0.08 0.06 0.07  | Vpenis: 64.2 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS]  (rev a1) @ 1280x1024 (32 bpp) | eth0: In: 6.41M Out: 0.66M
[06:42] <stdin> flaccid: yeah, so a GUI interface over ssh in windows means you need to install a X server on windows
[06:42] <flaccid> no it doesnt
[06:42] <flaccid> vnc client
[06:42] <flaccid> to xvnc on ubuntu
[06:42] <flaccid> through ssh
[06:42] <stdin> flaccid: well, not vnc over ssh, just pure ssh :)
[06:42] <the_hammer> !beyrl
[06:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beyrl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:43] <flaccid> pure ssh does not give a desktop
[06:43] <the_hammer> !beryl
[06:43] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:43] <Cosmo___> I think one of the sensors on this one applet is reading wrong, it says it is 261.5 ferenhight
[06:43] <flaccid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH
[06:43] <ranjan> the_hammer: does the drive work on any other machine?
[06:43] <stdin> flaccid: flaccid it can, I've done it
[06:43] <_chocobo> Hwo bout FReeNX
[06:43] <_chocobo> ?
[06:43] <flaccid> wtf do you mean by pure ssh
[06:43] <stdin> flaccid: ran "startkde" over shh (on local net)
[06:43] <the_hammer> drive as in dvd burner right?
[06:43] <N6REJ> dmercie: did you get that?
[06:43] <dmercie> N6REJ: should be ok
[06:44] <flaccid> thats not pure ssh
[06:44] <N6REJ> well, as you can c its not working :(
[06:44] <the_hammer> its brand new less then 2 months old worked in every distro so far exect this one the beta of kubuntu
[06:44] <flaccid> and he wants to access the existing desktop i beieve
[06:44] <flaccid> so xvnc it would be
[06:44] <flaccid> display 0 not a new x server
[06:44] <dmercie> Then I don t think i can help you... i am quit new here.
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm  Setting up libsexy2 (0.1.11-0ubuntu1) .       - Now thats a... interesting name for a Library
[06:44] <stdin> flaccid: ahh, well yeah, a that would be the answer then :p
[06:44] <ranjan> the_hammer: file a bug
[06:44] <stdin> s/a//
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> !info libsexy
[06:44] <ubotu> Package libsexy does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:45] <ranjan> the hammer: https://bugs.launchpad.net
[06:45] <the_hammer> ok
[06:45] <_chocobo> SO I AM DOING XVNC k?!
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> !info libsexy2
[06:45] <ubotu> libsexy2: collection of additional GTK+ widgets - library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.10-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 41 kB, installed size 132 kB
[06:45] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: you ran out on me :(
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ:  had to reboot to try the nvidia stuff.. then had to haxor the xorg.conf manually
[06:46] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: I'm at this point right now... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15734/
[06:46] <stdin> Dr_Willis: reboot? what's that? :P
[06:46] <flaccid> _chocobo: don't shout
[06:46] <_chocobo> flaccid: k
[06:46] <_chocobo> flaccid: how do u make it red?
[06:46] <dsmith_> test
[06:46] <dmercie> So anybody had a chance to look at vmware install output =>  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15731/
[06:46] <N6REJ> dsmith_ failed
[06:47] <stdin> _chocobo: anyone saying your name in there message makes the text red
[06:47] <dsmith_> hahah
[06:47] <_chocobo> stdin: lol
[06:47] <flaccid> _chocobo: red what?
[06:47] <dsmith_> I am modifying konversation colors
 is htis red
[06:47] <_chocobo> flaccid: is this red
[06:48] <flaccid> !info x11vnc
[06:48] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (edgy), package size 438 kB, installed size 1104 kB
[06:48] <flaccid> i don't care about colours
[06:48] <flaccid> _chocobo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2379921
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> I find it much 'nicer' to have a hidden desktop that i share with vnc. :) with a nice light weight window manager
[06:48] <_chocobo> flaccid: o
[06:49] <_chocobo> flaccid: so i should find a repository wiht xvnc and install it on my linux machine then use a client to access it from a windows machinge
[06:49] <flaccid> yes choco
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo,  there are several vncservers for linux. i tend to use the 'tightvnc' one
[06:49] <flaccid> as ubotu advised above
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> or the vnc4server one i think
[06:49] <flaccid> now you're just confusing him further..
[06:49] <flaccid> but its freedom of choice
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> vnc4server - Virtual network computing server software - seems a bit better done.
[06:50] <flaccid> well in that case
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> but vnc is a pwoerfull and flexiable tool. so its worth reading about
[06:50] <flaccid> use freenx it will kill them all in performance
[06:50] <dsmith_> i never got freenx to function
[06:50] <dsmith_> but on the demos
[06:50] <flaccid> or maybe do remote xdcmp as suggest before
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> depends on what the other os's are :)
[06:51] <flaccid> indeed
[06:51] <flaccid> my poit is we confused a new user
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> 'educate' :)
[06:52] <premier_> hello, I followed the instructions and it didn't work
[06:52] <flaccid> why?
[06:53] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: I think I found the problem... I think it has to do with the kernel-headers package.  I wonder if the generic kernel is messing things up.  What would happen if I told apt to install the k7 kernel?
[06:53] <premier_> hitmanWilly: you still there?  I did the thing on the troubleshooting and that didn't work either
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> premier_,  dident work as in The pc blew up? or dident work as in it spits out some error message?
[06:53] <premier_> Dr
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ,  i was thinking they had a generic kernel and a gernic source pakcages now. should not have to be doing such things.
[06:53] <flaccid> if you got to a doctor and said im sick, hes going to ask why...
[06:54] <premier_> Dr_Willis: I didn't get any error messages, but at the end, it says, you "fglrxinfo" should look like this, and it didn't
[06:54] <_chocobo> Is xvnc the client
[06:54] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: there is another version, perhaps we are trying the wrong one?
[06:54] <_chocobo> and vnc server tehe server part?
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ,  now if you had different kernel versions, and dident have the same version/source installed.
[06:54] <flaccid> _chocobo: its the server
[06:54] <_chocobo> flaccid: xnvc?
[06:54] <flaccid> xvnc is the x server and vnc server in 1
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ,  but i got the proper ones installed. its failing on the compile.
[06:54] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: I don't have the source installed I think
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> premier_, try glxinfo | grep direct again
[06:54] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: cc same here
[06:54] <flaccid> _chocobo: did you actually read the link i pasted?
[06:54] <premier_> Its supposed to say, "OpenGL vendor: ATI", but it says, "OpenGL vendor: Mesa project"
[06:55] <_chocobo> flaccid: u posted a link?
[06:55] <premier_> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:55] <premier_> direct rendering: No
[06:55] <premier_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:55] <flaccid> i've posted many
[06:55] <N6REJ> premier_: have you rebooted?
[06:55] <_chocobo> flaccid: can you post em another
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> hmm, that's strange
[06:55] <flaccid> [2007-04-15 14:48]  <flaccid> _chocobo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2379921
[06:55] <flaccid> please read what the helpers msg..
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> premier_, i have an nvidia card, so im kind of at a loss
[06:56] <premier_> N6REJ: I rebooted after the installation.  then There was some trouble shooting instructions which I followed, and I restarted X.
[06:57] <N6REJ> premier_: I'm with hitmanWilly, I use nvidia.  I know the ati cards are problematic
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ,  using the 2.6.20-12-generic  kernel and source files..   there is a newer one.
[06:57] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: I think I'm using 20-25 let me check
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, probably 20-15
[06:58] <N6REJ> yep
[06:58] <N6REJ> 2.6.20-15-generic
[06:58] <premier_> unrelated to my video driver: I'm using 2.6.17-11.  Show I upgrade?
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, that's the newest
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ,  search for vmware in the package manager.. thers some vmware kernel modules in there.. those may be prebuilt perhaps
[06:58] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: I've got a amd semperon 2800 X64 should I use the k7?
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ,  i dont think so,.
[06:59] <N6REJ> Dr_Willis: yeah, I installed the one for our kernel I'm pretty sure, let me double check.
[06:59] <N6REJ> k
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, the ubuntu kernel is compiled with support for just about everything
[07:00] <ForgeAus> VMware imho isn't as great under a Linux host as a Windows one currently
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, so just about any 32 bit version should work
[07:00] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: ok, I don't know what the diff between the older k7 kernels and the new generic ones are.
[07:00] <ForgeAus> but there are plans to correct some of the issues like mounting disks with fuse...
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ,  no go - same error. :(
[07:01] <N6REJ> nuts
[07:01] <ForgeAus> right now the mounting didn't work for me at all its a .pl perl script
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> I found vmware works better for me running under linux, then it does with windows.
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> but i guessit depends on wha tyou are running
[07:01] <N6REJ> I wonder if I need the vmplayer kernel modules installed?
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, the old k7 kernels were compiled with just AMD k7 support, where the generics are compiled with support for pretty much everything
[07:01] <ForgeAus> Dr_Willis interesting, performance wise you may be right, I havn't really taken much notice of that aspect
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ,  i never have had to mess with them befor.
[07:01] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: OIC
[07:02] <ForgeAus> but its more the extended things you can do with the server version that concern me... ie mounting virtual disks, etc...
[07:02] <N6REJ> well, the only other thing I can think of is to search vmware and try the other version.
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,   heh - on the wifes pc. i got it running XP + vmware  and HER own personal win95 copy inside vmware.. just so she cant trash anything.
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, it takes a small performance hit, but not enough to be noticeable on a modern machine
[07:02] <_chocobo> flaccid: hey when i try to save a file it says there is an error
[07:02] <ForgeAus> it also seems fickle when you upgrade/modify your kernel...  it needs reconfiguring
[07:03] <flaccid> what error? we can't read minds either :)
[07:03] <dsmith_> Dr_Willis: Teach her about kubuntu
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> its using kernel modules to get the best speed i guess.
[07:03] <ForgeAus> it aslo doesn't upgrade (on either linux or windows) you need to install the full new version)
[07:03] <_chocobo> lol
[07:03] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: all I'm trying to do is be able to run my photoshop and swishmax and a few other tiny things in windows, things that I just can't seem to find a comfortable replacement for.
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> virtual box - is an alternative.. but i found it lacking in some ways
[07:03] <_chocobo> flaccid: WARNING **: Hit unhandled case 1 (File not found) in gedit_unrecoverable_saving_error_message_area_new.
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, you could always try qemu
[07:03] <flaccid> don't know what that is
[07:03] <flaccid> are you using gedit? this is #kubuntu
[07:04] <N6REJ> dah hwho?
[07:04] <Minataku> Hey, Dr_Willis, is it warmer there yet?
[07:04] <Minataku> :D
[07:04] <N6REJ> !info qemu
[07:04] <ubotu> qemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3630 kB, installed size 9860 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm s390)
[07:04] <_chocobo> flaccid: ya i am using kubuntu
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> Minataku,  it was snowing today,, warmer tomorrow
[07:04] <_chocobo> or ubuntu
[07:04] <_chocobo> what am i using?
[07:04] <_chocobo> on startup it says i am using kubuntu
[07:04] <flaccid> _chocobo: omg.
[07:04] <N6REJ> _chocobo:  you are using linux :D
[07:04] <Minataku> Dr_Willis: Heehee, I haven't forgotten about those Amigas X3
[07:04] <_chocobo> HAHAH!
[07:05] <flaccid> _chocobo: oh the howto says to use gedit. don't use gedit
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Minataku,  heh - i havent been on irc for like a month. :) good thing you reminded me.
[07:05] <Minataku> np ^^
[07:05] <_chocobo> flaccid: use what
[07:05] <flaccid> _chocobo: use kdesu kate instead of sudo gedit
[07:05] <_chocobo> flaccid: k
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, kate ~ gedit
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, for kde systems
[07:05] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: do you know if virtualbox will run photoshop?
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> virtualbox runs the whole OS.. :) so if it can run windows.. it should be able to
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, that i don't, i dont run any virtual machines
[07:06] <ranjan> N6REJ: wine will run CS2
[07:06] <N6REJ> ranjan: I couldn't get it to.  I can't get it to run any of them fully.
[07:07] <ranjan> N6REJ: did u check winedb
[07:07] <_chocobo> flaccid: still won't work
[07:07] <flaccid> _chocobo: why
[07:07] <_chocobo> flaccid: won't let me save to /etc/xinetd.d/x11vnc
[07:07] <flaccid> i will always ask why
[07:07] <flaccid> wju
[07:07] <flaccid> why - provide the error message aways pls
[07:07] <N6REJ> ranjan: I don't know.  I checked a thing that said CS2 won't work in ubuntu and that CS would well.  But I couldn't get it to do more then start.  Could click on anything.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> $ glxgears --> 60570 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12113.862 FPS
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> wee
[07:08] <ranjan> N6REJ: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=2631&iTestingId=9336
[07:08] <bill> when a download a tar.gz for a program, how do I install it?
[07:08] <stdin> !tar
[07:08] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[07:09] <hitmanWilly> bill: tar.gz = zip
[07:09] <_chocobo> flaccid: i provided the error mesage last time and u siad u couldn't understand it
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> bill,  step #1 would be to read the programs docs.. just in case theres some things to  also have installed first.
[07:09] <N6REJ> bill: a tarball is not an installable file its a zip
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> !source
[07:09] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[07:09] <_chocobo> flaccid:
[07:09] <_chocobo> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/xinetd.d/x11vnc.
[07:09] <_chocobo> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> _chocobo,  thats a system file. so you need root access to do it, thus the use of sudo, or kdesu
[07:10] <flaccid> did you run it under kdesu
[07:10] <ranjan> bill: use kompile for automating tarball installs http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=30223
[07:10] <_chocobo> flaccid: ya i ran it under kdesu
[07:10] <_chocobo> i ran it under kdesu
[07:10] <N6REJ> ranjan: yeah, see they gave it a garbage rating
[07:11] <ranjan> N6REJ: yeah, so i see :(
[07:11] <flaccid> _chocobo: run this in konsole: sudo touch /etc/xinetd.d/x11vnc then open it in kdesu kate
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> N6REJ,  heh heh - i was about to say how stuff like those tools rarely work
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> well its ZZZzzz... time for the Dr.
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> Night all.
[07:12] <N6REJ> lol well they claim cs works well, but I've been unsuccessful
[07:12] <flaccid> you also need to replace gdm with kdm in that howto, _chocobo
[07:12] <ranjan> bill: kompile is in the repos
[07:12] <_chocobo> it says it cannot touch
[07:13] <ranjan> !info kompile
[07:13] <ubotu> kompile: interface for compilation automation for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~beta2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 170 kB, installed size 904 kB
[07:13] <flaccid> _chocobo: what does file /etc/xinetd.d return?
[07:13] <_chocobo> there is no such file and directory
[07:13] <flaccid> sudo mkdir /etc/xinetd.d
[07:13] <_chocobo> cuase  teh point of it is that we are making a file called x11vnc it hink
[07:13] <flaccid> need to make the directory first before you can save it
[07:13] <hitmanWilly> well, see y'all later, work tommorrow
[07:14] <flaccid> nice rule of thumb that :)
[07:14] <_chocobo> flaccid: k made directory now should i try it out
[07:14] <flaccid> yes
[07:15] <korrx> hi folks
[07:17] <Skuller> hey giys when can i expect feisity final ready for download in as kubuntu 7.04?
[07:17] <flaccid> !info xinetd
[07:17] <ubotu> xinetd: replacement for inetd with many enhancements. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.3.14-1 (edgy), package size 127 kB, installed size 356 kB
[07:17] <stdin> !feisty
[07:17] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:17] <flaccid> _chocobo: might need to do a sudo apt-get install xinetd
[07:17] <_chocobo> flaccid: lol true dat homie
[07:18] <bill> what do you mean in the repos?
[07:18] <_chocobo> flaccid: should i delete the directory xinetd
[07:18] <_chocobo> flaccid:
[07:18] <stdin> Skuller: final release is sceduled for April 19th
[07:18] <korrx> little question : my logon kdm screen gives me a Qwerty prompt but as a froggy user I'll prefer Azerty ; any idea how I could fix that ?
[07:18] <stdin> scheduled
[07:19] <stdin> korrx: reconfigure the X server "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:19] <Skuller> stdin: nice, i hope it goes as planned
[07:19] <flaccid> _chocobo: um shoudnt' need to chico
[07:19] <korrx> thx stdin
[07:19] <korrx> only way ?
[07:19] <Skuller> wait..thas this thursday
[07:20] <stdin> korrx: kdm takes it's settings from the X server, so yeah
[07:20] <korrx> thx a lot
[07:20] <stdin> Skuller: yeah, it's soon :)
[07:20] <flaccid> _chocobo: that was step 1 in the howto, you skipped that?
[07:21] <_chocobo> flaccid: must've i guess :(
[07:21] <_chocobo> flaccid: hey so now how do i edit it to require a passwd
[07:21] <flaccid> oh no it wasn't
[07:21] <flaccid> heh no i misread and look like boob
[07:21] <flaccid> no=now
[07:22] <flaccid> replace 'gedit' in step 2. with 'kdesu kate'
[07:22] <bill> what do you mean kompile is in the repos?
[07:23] <flaccid> the package kompile is in the repos available to install
[07:23] <stdin> flaccid: edit the doc and add the "or, if you use kubuntu...." parts (I do it all the time)
[07:23] <_chocobo> k i did every step flaccid
[07:23] <_chocobo> and now i am on step 4
[07:23] <bill> so what do I need to do then?
[07:23] <flaccid> i'd rather get it off the forum, which i would do if i had time.
[07:24] <jtt> bill: whoever answered your means for you to execute   apt-get install kompile  to obtain kompile package
[07:24] <flaccid> _chocobo: make sure you replace gdm with kdm
[07:24] <stdin> * sudo ^
[07:24] <_chocobo> flaccid: how do u do that?
[07:24] <bill> well that was what I thought
[07:24] <jtt> bill: your= your question
[07:24] <bill> but when I did that it said the package could not be found
[07:24] <flaccid> replace the word gdm in that how to with kdm. ie. change 1 letter g to k
[07:25] <_chocobo> ah srry
[07:25] <stdin> bill: you need to enable the universe reop, read...
[07:25] <flaccid> this is why kubuntu needs a handbook
[07:25] <stdin> !reop | bill
[07:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:25] <stdin> !repos | bill
[07:25] <jtt> bill: i am seeing it in my list so your  souces.list (repos)  must not be correct
[07:25] <ubotu> bill: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:26] <flaccid> hmm there is a desktop guid
[07:26] <_chocobo> flaccid: k now i am done wiht installing in on the linux machine now i download vncviewer onto the windows machine and then connect?
[07:27] <jtt> stdin: how does one tell with apt-get search package   what  repo the pacakge was found in
[07:27] <bill> I just reinstalled kubuntu today, so everything is default
[07:27] <flaccid> _chocobo: yeah
[07:27] <fyrmedic> What kernal packages should I use for AMD Turion 64x2. Currently only one processor is working.
[07:27] <_chocobo> flaccid: do u know how to setup a pass for loggin into it
[07:27] <stdin> jtt: I use apt-cache policy <package>
[07:28] <jtt> stdin: thanks :-)
[07:28] <flaccid> _chocobo: its in the howto as well
[07:28] <stdin> fyrmedic: the -generic kernel
[07:28] <flaccid> eg. -rfbauth /home/aaron/.vncpasswd
[07:28] <flaccid> set vncpasswd with the command vncpasswd
[07:28] <_chocobo> ooo
[07:28] <fyrmedic> stdin; I tried that. What repo is it in?
[07:28] <stdin> jtt: if all else fails, there is packages.ubuntu.com too
[07:29] <jtt> stdin: yes I also go there from time to time
[07:29] <bill> well, I found it there, but it has forty billion things it relies on
[07:29] <Taladan> Groping Gibbons?
[07:29] <makuseru> is there any way to download embedded flash videos?
[07:30] <stdin> fyrmedic: edgy+ it's in main
[07:30] <Taladan> makuseru: yes, just don't remember the proggy name.
[07:30] <jtt> bill: if you apt-get install  kompile   it should handle all the dependancies for you and down load them
[07:30] <stdin> fyrmedic: if in dapper, you may need the -smp-686 pakage
[07:30] <fyrmedic> stdin; it's the one just listed as "linux"?
[07:30] <makuseru> Taladan:  thats not much heko then >>
[07:30] <Taladan> search aptitude for 'flash' or maybe it'll hit on 'youtube'...can't remember
[07:31] <Taladan> But I know I've seen it.
[07:31] <stdin> fyrmedic: just install the "linux-generic" package, that will take care of it all for you
[07:31] <Taladan> Isn't it though?  Confirmation that something you're looking for is out there, that another person has at least seen it should be some help.  At least now you know it exists ;)
[07:31] <fyrmedic> stdin; I did exactly that and it said it couldn't find the package using apt-get install linux-generic
[07:32] <stdin> fyrmedic: what version of kubuntu ate you on?
[07:32] <stdin> s/ate/are
[07:33] <fyrmedic> stdin; I originally installed on 6.06 but have upgraded I think. not sure exactly.
[07:33] <ranjan> bill: what is your question?
[07:33] <_chocobo> how do check my local ip adress?
[07:33] <bill> jtt: I know, that's why I'm trying to get the repos to work
[07:33] <stdin> fyrmedic: use "lsb_release -r" to find out
[07:33] <Taladan> _chocobo: ifconfit
[07:33] <Taladan> er
[07:33] <Taladan> ifconfig
[07:33] <stdin> _chocobo: ifconfig
[07:33] <stdin> :p
[07:34] <fyrmedic> 6.06
[07:34] <jtt> bill: how are the repos failing you
[07:34] <stdin> fyrmedic: in 6.06 I think you need the -smp-686 version, let me just check
[07:34] <fyrmedic> stdin; I am totally up to upgrading. How do I do it? It would solve a lot of issues I think
[07:35] <stdin> !upgrade | fyrmedic
[07:35] <ubotu> fyrmedic: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[07:35] <bill> well it just tells me the package doesn't exist
[07:35] <bill> so I must not have the right repos
[07:36] <bill> how do I open it in konsole again?
[07:36] <fyrmedic> stdin: I'll try that out and see how it goes. Thanks for your time.
[07:36] <bill> my sources.list
[07:36] <stdin> fyrmedic: no problam :)
[07:36] <wolferine> how do I check my USB devices, so I know they are installed/working, and can I set it up in VMware?
[07:36] <ranjan> !paste > bill
[07:39] <premier_> does anyone know if there is a linux boot option that causes dual core processors to synch up better?  I had one before but my grub config file got overwritten, and I don't remember what the command was.  I'm using a intel centrino duo.  If I don't disable acpi sometimes linux locks up on boot
[07:40] <bill> I know about pastebin  ^_^
[07:40] <bill> how do I open my sources.list?
[07:40] <stdin> bill: in kate
[07:40] <ranjan> bill: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:41] <wolferine> !usb | wolferine
[07:42] <bill> is kompile in universe?
[07:42] <stdin> bill: yes
[07:43] <ranjan> bill: which package do u want to install using kompile?
[07:43] <Skuller> hey guys, will Kubuntu be released the same day as Ubuntu Feisty?
[07:43] <ranjan> Skuller: yes
[07:43] <bill> the LAME source
[07:44] <Skuller> nice
[07:44] <stdin> Skuller: same distro, different GUI that's all
[07:44] <unix_infidel> woot, 4 days till fiesty :P
[07:44] <Skuller> stdin: yes, I was a 2 month user of kubuntu edgy
[07:44] <ranjan> !info liblame0
[07:44] <ubotu> liblame0: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 182 kB, installed size 452 kB
[07:45] <stdin> Skuller: I've been using feisty since december :p
[07:45] <Cosmo___> hmmm I messed something up, when I go into konqueror now it only shows the icons, no text
[07:45] <ranjan> bill: see its in multiverse already, u don't need to compile
[07:47] <bill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15738/
[07:47] <stdin> bill: enable universe and multiverse, also what version of kubuntu are you on?
[07:48] <stdin> !info lame
[07:48] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[07:48] <ranjan> bill: after enabling universe and multiverse, sudo apt-get install liblame0
[07:48] <stdin> !info kompile
[07:48] <ubotu> kompile: interface for compilation automation for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~beta2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 170 kB, installed size 904 kB
[07:49] <bill> 6.10
[07:49] <bill> lol, ok
[07:49] <bill> I was gonna say, I did just enable
[07:49] <ranjan> after enabling : sudo apt-get update
[07:49] <ranjan> then sudo apt-get install whatever
[07:50] <bill> ok, cool
[07:50] <bill> well, I just learned something today
[07:51] <ksnipa> I was wondering if its possible to find out how much cpu a process is using?
[07:52] <TUnene> freak
[07:52] <flaccid> ksnipa: ksysguard or top for terminal
[07:52] <stdin> ksnipa: use "top" or "ps aux|grep <pid>|<process>"
[07:52] <ksnipa> thanks
[07:52] <JohnFlux> ksnipa: or press ctrl+esc
[07:52] <ranjan> ksnipa: Kmenu >> Systems >> Ksysgueard
[07:53] <bill> why is kdesu not installable?
[07:53] <v0taguz> Anybody know how to install Kde 3.5.6 in Edgy ?
[07:53] <stdin> as always with linux, there are many ways of doing the same thinf
[07:53] <stdin> !kde | v0taguz
[07:53] <ubotu> v0taguz: KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[07:53] <v0taguz> stdin: THNX
[07:53] <JohnFlux> bill: um
[07:53] <ranjan> bill: kdesu comes pre installed!
[07:54] <stdin> v0taguz: direct link: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[07:55] <bill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15740/
[07:55] <bill> well that was what I thought! but this is being stupid
[07:55] <flaccid> !find liblame
[07:55] <ubotu> Found: liblame-dev, liblame0
[07:55] <Skuller> stdin: lol, but i think i wont risk using anything other than feisty final
[07:55] <flaccid> !info liblame0
[07:55] <ubotu> liblame0: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 182 kB, installed size 452 kB
[07:55] <flaccid> hmm
[07:56] <flaccid> im not sure that you have mutiverse enabled
[07:56] <stdin> Skuller: as development versions go, feisty has been very stable
[07:56] <stdin> bill: post your sources.list to pastebin
[07:56] <Skuller> stdin: glad to know, makes me feel more secure when switchin to it
[07:57] <stdin> Skuller: and faster too :)
[07:57] <Skuller> stdin: hehe, yea
[07:57] <Skuller> laterz and enjoy all
[07:57] <stdin> the 2.6.20 kernel is nice
[07:57] <shawn_> hey I was trying to beat little venice in the castle in the SVN version but after I beat it I could still not go past it... is there something else I have to do or is it possible to beat?
[07:58] <bill> already working on it ^_^
[07:58] <bill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15741/
[07:58] <shawn_> lol wrong channel
[07:58] <premier_> !fglrx
[07:58] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:58] <shawn_> thought I had clicked on the supertux channel allreadt
[07:59] <shawn_> it's too late lol
[07:59] <flaccid> bill: are these in your sources.list: http://pastebin.ca/440672
[07:59] <bill> what is super tux anyways?
[08:00] <stdin> bill: use this one http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15742/
[08:00] <flaccid> !info supertux
[08:00] <ubotu> supertux: Classic 2D jump 'n run sidescroller with Tux. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.3-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 228 kB, installed size 548 kB
[08:00] <Cosmo___> hmmm I messed something up, when I go into konqueror now it only shows the icons, no text anyone know how to fix it?
[08:01] <ranjan> Cosmo: Settings>Preferences>Apperance
[08:02] <Iwonder|too> ctrl+m
[08:04] <bill> ok
[08:04] <bill> sweet
[08:04] <bill> thank you all
[08:04] <flaccid> npp
[08:14] <malik__> hi..........how do i turn on adept auto updater?
[08:15] <ForgeAus> turn on?
[08:15] <ForgeAus> um malik its normally on by default
[08:15] <ForgeAus> but if you go to your /usr/bin/ directory there shoudl be an adept_updater (or something very similar)
[08:15] <ForgeAus> run that
[08:15] <flaccid> adept_notifier
[08:15] <ForgeAus> (I actually suggest you quit it and explicitly tell it to run next time you start)
[08:15] <ForgeAus> ahh yes thats the one...
[08:16] <malik__> thanx guys
[08:16] <ForgeAus> it should show up as an icon in the system tray
[08:16] <malik__> yes its workin now
[08:16] <premier_> I'm trying to configure an ati driver.  right now the thing is using MESA for 3D accel.  fglrxinfo says so.  I'm looking here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problems_with_fglrx#Perpetual_Mesa_GLX_Indirect_on_Debian  and doesn't help.
[08:16] <ForgeAus> kewl
[08:17] <ForgeAus> premier I gave up on ATI for my system... I just use a default desktop
[08:17] <premier_> it says to go to /usr/X11R6/lib and type "ls -la *GL*"
[08:18] <ForgeAus> besides the only thing that really workso n it is some games and beryl/compiz...
[08:18] <premier_> It then says your supposed to get... something... but I have nothing in that folder
[08:18] <ForgeAus> beryls fairly buggy in some aspects...
[08:18] <ForgeAus> so unless your looking to play games its not worth the hassle imho
[08:18] <flaccid> ati binary is faster
[08:18] <flaccid> driver
[08:18] <ForgeAus> um premier you probably have it just find where it is and make a symlink?
[08:19] <flaccid> i've fixed this problem before. need to remove the mesa package and re-config xorg.conf
[08:19] <ForgeAus> !ati
[08:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:23] <xst> I use knetworkmanager to handle my wireless connections but every time I reboot I have to reenter the WPA password. Why doesn't it remeber passwords itself?
[08:23] <premier_> flaccid: how do I unistall mesa?  what are the package names?
[08:23] <premier_> also, how do I reconfigure xorg?  I don't remember the commands
[08:23] <flaccid> !find mesa
[08:23] <ubotu> Found: libgl1-mesa-dev, libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, libgl1-mesa-swx11, libgl1-mesa-swx11-dbg (and 15 others)
[08:23] <premier_> is there a meta-package?
[08:23] <flaccid> mesa-glx i think
[08:24] <pl0xy> "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)"
[08:24] <pl0xy> What gives?
[08:24] <flaccid> have a look what packages are in your system with mesa in it
[08:24] <premier_> flaccid: how do I do that?
[08:24] <flaccid> dpkg -l *mesa*
[08:24] <flaccid> i think
[08:25] <flaccid> or dpkg -l | grep mesa
[08:25] <premier_> ri  libglu1-mesa      6.5.1~20060817-0u The OpenGL utility library (GLU)?
[08:25] <premier_> ii  libgl1-mesa-dri   6.5.1~20060817-0u A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- DRI mod?
[08:26] <flaccid> maybe both of them
[08:26] <premier_> theres about 15 others
[08:26] <flaccid> hmm
[08:26] <flaccid> i can't remember hey its on a forum post somewhere
[08:27] <flaccid> i'm not on ubuntu atm sorry
[08:27] <flaccid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:27] <premier_> flaccid: If I unistall those, I lose my operating system, or at least everything thats graphiccal
[08:27] <premier_> I've been sent to that page 4 times
[08:27] <ForgeAus> thats the one ubotu suggests flaccid
[08:27] <ForgeAus> (just use !ati)
[08:27] <flaccid> then its not the right post
[08:27] <ForgeAus> actually premier you don't
[08:28] <flaccid> um
[08:28] <ForgeAus> you just drop back to standard video drivers
[08:28] <premier_> well, apt-get seems perfectly happy to uninstall everything with a k in from of it
[08:28] <premier_> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[08:28] <premier_>   adept adept-batch adept-common adept-installer adept-manager adept-notifier adept-updater
[08:28] <ForgeAus> ... I think
[08:28] <flaccid> tahts not good
[08:28] <premier_> and so on
[08:28] <flaccid> premier_: pastebin your xorg.conf
[08:29] <ForgeAus> correct tahts not good
[08:29] <premier_> http://pastebin.ca/440687
[08:30] <premier_> ForgeAus: I want to fix my drivers because I'm programming in java and I think my programs are slowing up because of the broken drivers
[08:31] <premier_> ForgeAus: besides, I'd like to have compiz or beryl, and i think my OS in general is running slower because of broken drivers
[08:32] <flaccid> i dont see the dri module in there
[08:32] <premier_> should there be?
[08:32] <lettuce> how the hell do i run a .pl file?
[08:32] <stdin> lettuce: .pl = perl
[08:32] <lettuce> uhhh ok
[08:33] <lettuce> how the hell do i run a perl file
[08:33] <premier_> lettuce: its like a program, shouldnt you be able to run it from the command line?
[08:33] <premier_> not familiar with perl
[08:33] <lettuce> idk
[08:34] <lettuce> how would I do that though?
[08:34] <stdin> lettuce: perl -w fileneme (I think )
[08:34] <lettuce> ok I'll try that
[08:34] <stdin> or just "perl filename"
[08:34] <premier_> flaccid: what can I do to get a dri module in there?
[08:34] <clownius> is anyone able to help with a Fiesty problem?
[08:35] <lettuce> command now found
[08:35] <stdin> premier_: put: Load "dri"
[08:35] <lettuce> :(
[08:35] <clownius> I had the broken kernel first adn upgraded to 2.6.20-15 now
[08:35] <premier_> stdin: where?
[08:35] <clownius> now no xserver
[08:35] <stdin> premier_: in the "Section "Module"" part
[08:36] <stdin> lettuce: huh, you don't have perl?
[08:36] <flaccid> p       Load  "dri"
[08:36] <flaccid> -p
[08:36] <flaccid> do you have wacom tablet, premier_?
[08:36] <lettuce> it says I have perl
[08:36] <lettuce> is there any other package I need?
[08:36] <premier_> flaccid: whats a wacom tablet?
[08:37] <premier_> like, the pointing device?
[08:37] <stdin> lettuce: not unless the perl script calls an app from another package
[08:37] <_chocobo> Hey so anybody know how to execute gcc?
[08:37] <flaccid> ok
[08:37] <flaccid> yes
[08:37] <premier_> I don't have a tablet
[08:37] <stdin> _chocobo: gcc file.c -o app (simple example)
[08:38] <premier_> just a mouse and a touch pad
[08:38] <jason_> can someone help me with some audio problems?
[08:38] <_chocobo> stdin: o its comamnd line
[08:38] <premier_> so, should I try it with this new xorg.conf?
[08:38] <_chocobo> thx
[08:39] <_chocobo> How do i compile
[08:39] <_chocobo> with gcc
[08:39] <_chocobo> gcc file.c -c app?
[08:40] <stdin> _chocobo: you'll usually get a Makefile with a package you need to compile, or a configure script
[08:40] <flaccid> http://pastebin.ca/440696
[08:40] <flaccid> um yeah
[08:40] <flaccid> yay hes gone ah well
[08:40] <flaccid> waste of time
[08:40] <stdin> _chocobo: you need use either run "./configure" or "make" then
[08:41] <_chocobo> stdin: what if i want to compile my own code... like if i were to make a program
[08:41] <premier_> hey, didn't work
[08:41] <stdin> _chocobo: then you'd use (as a SIMPLE example) gcc code.c -o program
[08:41] <flaccid> http://pastebin.ca/440700
[08:41] <flaccid> ^^^^ try that one
[08:42] <premier_> I delete a file called libGL.so.1 while I was trying to fix this...
[08:42] <premier_> how can I replace it?
[08:42] <premier_> !ati
[08:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:42] <stdin> premier_: reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx
[08:42] <stdin> premier_: "sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-glx"
[08:43] <flaccid> he doesn't want mesa glx
[08:43] <flaccid> you need to have fglrx for driver on each vid
[08:43] <flaccid> can you please confirm if this new xorg.conf works, premier_: http://pastebin.ca/440703
[08:44] <stdin> the flglx driver will replace it if it's installed right (and if it works with your card)
[08:44] <stdin> ati tend to drop support for some "older" cards
[08:44] <stdin> "older" sometimes meanding 2-3 years old
[08:44] <dsmith_> whats the pkg name for java?
[08:44] <flaccid> !java
[08:44] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[08:44] <dsmith_> duh thx
[08:44] <dsmith_> lol
[08:45] <stdin> dsmith_: sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre
[08:45] <stdin> dsmith_: (for the JRE)
[08:45] <dsmith_> thankie..
[08:45] <premier_> flaccid: does the order of the items in Section "Modules" matter?  Otherwise, yes it works
[08:45] <dsmith_> i dont like downloading from websites
[08:45] <dsmith_> apt-get does all
[08:45] <dsmith_> :)
[08:45] <premier_> so, what should I reinstall?
[08:46] <flaccid> you said it works?
[08:46] <flaccid> why do you need to reinstall anything
[08:46] <premier_> flaccid: well, I'm not getting 3d (i don't think)
[08:46] <premier_> and fglrx info displays an error
[08:46] <flaccid> pastebine output of fglrxinfo
[08:47] <premier_> fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:47] <premier_> flaccid: thats the only line of output
[08:47] <flaccid> did you install the binary driver fully
[08:48] <flaccid> and have you googled the error yet?
[08:48] <premier_> flaccid: yeah, but since I installed it I deleted that file
[08:48] <premier_> I remember deleting that file
[08:48] <premier_> I did it because it was part of a troubleshooter
[08:48] <flaccid> ok
[08:48] <flaccid> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:48] <premier_> so, I can just reinstall something, or reinstall the driver?
[08:48] <premier_> nvidia?
[08:49] <flaccid> oops
[08:49] <dsmith_> how does one create a symbolic link?
[08:49] <flaccid> wrong thing
[08:49] <flaccid> dsmith_: ln -s
[08:49] <stdin> dsmith_: ln -s target link-name
[08:49] <_chocobo> anybody know the line for downlaoding nmap
[08:49] <_chocobo> sudo apt-get install nmap?
[08:50] <stdin> _chocobo: yeah
[08:50] <despil> good morning everyone
[08:50] <dsmith_> so it would be like ln -s etc/x11 something?
[08:50] <dsmith_> just using that as an example
[08:50] <_chocobo> stdin: how bout netcat
[08:50] <stdin> _chocobo: sudo apt-get install netcat
[08:50] <flaccid> _chocobo: correct
[08:50] <stdin> _chocobo: both are in main
[08:51] <flaccid> _chocobo: you can search for packages at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <premier_> magically fixed
[08:51] <premier_> yeahness!
[08:51] <flaccid> premier_: all good now?
[08:52] <dsmith_> im rying to install java plugin for firefox
[08:52] <premier_> hold on, let me check 3d
[08:52] <dsmith_> *trying
[08:52] <stdin> premier_: you did install xorg-driver-fglrx?
[08:52] <premier_> yeah
[08:52] <flaccid> isn't that the free one
[08:52] <premier_> 3d seems to work
[08:52] <stdin> premier_: then reinstall xorg-driver-fglrx to bring back the libGL.so.1 file
[08:53] <flaccid> what is the output of fglrxinfo now premier_?
[08:53] <flaccid> stdin: its working..
[08:53] <premier_> flaccid: nah.  the free one is radeon
[08:53] <premier_> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[08:53] <premier_> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[08:53] <stdin> well that's even better :p
[08:53] <flaccid> i mean mesa free
[08:53] <flaccid> opengl
[08:53] <flaccid> anyway
[08:53] <flaccid> you now have a perfect xorg.conf if it all works correctly
[08:54] <ranjan> dsmith: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[08:54] <flaccid> back it up
[08:54] <flaccid> this is the fastest driver available for ati/radeon
[08:54] <premier_> now that I got that fixed, I'm going to either reinstall my broken beryl install, or install compiz
[08:54] <premier_> what do you guys think?
[08:55] <ranjan> kubuntu and beryl... no question of compiz
[08:55] <stdin> premier_: well compiz and beryl are being merged, so it doesn't matter in the long term :p
[08:55] <flaccid> and just fyi - here is reason for confusion heh im still confused: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=+libGL.so.1&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=edgy&arch=i386
[08:55] <flaccid> premier_: which ubuntu is it
[08:55] <premier_> 6.10 kubuntu
[08:56] <flaccid> um
[08:56] <despil> hm.. anyone here with a successful beryl+kubuntu install?
[08:56] <flaccid> compiz should be fairly stable for ati i think
[08:56] <flaccid> despil: try #ubuntu-effects
[08:56] <premier_> I'll prolly upgrade to feisty next week.... I'd rather get beryl done now, even though I'm going to upgrade soome
[08:56] <premier_> soon
[08:56] <despil> thank you
[08:56] <flaccid> premier_: i would wait as feisty is xorg7 ..
[08:57] <dsmith_> thx ranjan
[08:57] <stdin> despil: yeah, but my graphics driver is open source anyway, so no need for installing binary drivers
[08:57] <ranjan> dsmith: np
[08:57] <premier_> flaccid: I know feisty is still in beta, but is it really going to be all that much different in a week?  Can I try upgrading now?
[08:58] <flaccid> ati prop. drivers are way faster than the open ones and glx actually works..
[08:58] <stdin> premier_: it's not still in beta
[08:58] <flaccid> premier_: you can do now, but then you'll want to update again. np if the you are fine with the d/l and time.
[08:58] <premier_> stdin: I thought It came out on the 19th
[08:58] <flaccid> its not in prod yet
[08:58] <stdin> premier_: it's in release candidate now
[08:59] <flaccid> yea RC might as well be beta imo
[08:59] <dsmith_> ranjan: must I restart firefox? or do I have to reboot?
[08:59] <flaccid> its pre-release either way, not final
[08:59] <stdin> premier_: 1 step after beta, and 1 step before final
[08:59] <dsmith_> ranjan: nm, its working
[08:59] <dsmith_> thanks much
[08:59] <premier_> !feisty
[08:59] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[09:00] <ScottLij> !schedule
[09:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[09:00] <stdin> feisty release candidate was out since April 12th
[09:00] <Jason_> I just installed Kibuntu. Question: my audio device is present, but the acutal audio does not work. Can someone help me?
[09:00] <dsmith_> heh, its funny they do releases so quickly; they will blow away windoze
[09:00] <stdin> Feisty Release Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[09:01] <premier_> "Be sure that you have all updates applied to Ubuntu 6.10 before you upgrade" : how do I make sure I'm in compliance with this?
[09:01] <_chocobo> Hey so what type of vnc viewer should i use for linux?
[09:01] <premier_> vnc?
[09:01] <stdin> premier_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[09:01] <Tusell> hello
[09:02] <Tusell> I am sorry to disturb you guys, could anybody help me with a problem installing Kubuntu 6.10?
[09:02] <flaccid> dist-upgrade before changing sources i think they mean
[09:02] <flaccid> is that right stdin?
[09:03] <_chocobo> is there a "netsend " for linux machines?
[09:03] <stdin> yeah, before you try upgrading to feisty or anything
[09:03] <premier_> this seems to be ubunutu (as in not kubuntu) oriented... is there any difference?
[09:03] <premier_> okay, I ran dist-upgrade, anything else?
[09:03] <stdin> premier_: no, after that you should be up-to-date edgy, then you can try to upgrade to feisty
[09:04] <Tusell> I am sorry to disturb you guys, could anybody help me with a problem installing Kubuntu 6.10 on SATA drives?
[09:04] <stdin> note the word "try" :P
[09:04] <clownius> I can try
[09:04] <clownius> its only 7.04 killing me at the moment lol
[09:05] <premier_> clownius: you're having trouble with 7.04?
[09:05] <premier_> btw, it says 12 packages are going to be removed... anyway to see which packages?
[09:06] <premier_> lol, its going to remove beryl
[09:06] <premier_> and apt-index-watcher, which caused a certian well know error
[09:06] <flaccid> probably coz it will do new beryl in next release?
[09:06] <clownius> yeah i killed 7.04 lol last 22222222222222222222222 rnel updates and i cant load x any more
[09:06] <flaccid> ooo
[09:07] <stdin> premier_: apt-index-watcher was removed in feisty a while ago, no longer needed
[09:07] <clownius> im waiting for a new CD to download before i bash away any longer
[09:07] <premier_> wait, clownius, what do you mean? Is this something I should be aware of?
[09:07] <clownius> yes its beta expect to have things die lol
[09:08] <premier_> oh
[09:08] <clownius> 6.10 has been stable on all my machines a while though
[09:08] <flaccid> i've found them all to be unstable in different things
[09:08] <ranjan> Only 244 Copies of Vista Sold in All of China http://www.gearfuse.com/genuine-windows-vista-sold-only-244-copies-in-whole-of-china/
[09:08] <flaccid> sweet
[09:08] <premier_> ranjan: lol
[09:08] <despil> one thing, anyone could explain me the "CPU Overflow" error ?
[09:09] <despil> it happened while setting the timezone
[09:09] <despil> was really weird
[09:09] <premier_> Is it wrong for me to want windows to produce mediocre products so that people use alternative software?
[09:09] <clownius> nope
[09:09] <ranjan> 244 out of 1/3 world population...
[09:09] <despil> nope, not wrong
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> 224 out of 16 world population
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> 1/6*
[09:10] <despil> hm..
[09:10] <ranjan> sorry 1/6
[09:10] <Tusell> I am sorry to disturb you guys, could anybody help me with a problem installing Kubuntu 6.10 on SATA drives?
[09:10] <flaccid> Tusell: if someone can help they will
[09:11] <clownius> go ahead tusell
[09:11] <clownius> about half my machines use SATA disks
[09:12] <Tusell> I have a 250 GB SATA drive with two partitions, in the first partition I have NTFS files I cant loose, second partition is not even formated
[09:12] <Tusell> how can I install the OS there?
[09:12] <Tusell> I am at the part that ask me to choose
[09:12] <clownius> which version of the installer are you using?
[09:12] <clownius> Live CD?
[09:13] <Tusell> I downloaded kubuntu 6.10 and burn it into a cd
[09:13] <Tusell> not so sure about your question :S
[09:13] <clownius> Ok Live CD would be my guess then
[09:13] <clownius> It should let you choose which partition to install in
[09:13] <Tusell> lol, I guess I did it
[09:14] <clownius> Its going to want 2 actually
[09:14] <clownius> One for OS one for swap
[09:14] <Tusell> in about 10 minutes I will see if I f*cked the info :s
[09:14] <Tusell> the main problem I was having
[09:14] <Tusell> is that took 30 minutes to load the installer
[09:15] <Tusell> giving me a lot of errors
[09:15] <clownius> odd
[09:15] <Tusell> hda: huh? expected NULL
[09:15] <Tusell> something like that
[09:15] <Tusell> I thougth it was because of the SATA drive
[09:15] <Tusell> since it didnt let me intall Mandriva :S
[09:16] <clownius> Nope Ubuntu works on SATA
[09:16] <Tusell> now I know that
[09:16] <Tusell> :D
[09:16] <ForgeAus> Mandriva should work on sata too
[09:16] <ranjan> try with ide=nodma option
[09:17] <Tusell> forgeaus it asks me for the driver, I try every of them and no go
[09:17] <Jason_> How to i get to the Terminal?
[09:17] <Tusell> ranjan did that
[09:17] <posingaspopular> Jason_: click the k menu
[09:17] <posingaspopular> should be under system?
[09:17] <ranjan> what speed did u burn your cd in?
[09:17] <posingaspopular> known as konsole in kubuntu though
[09:17] <ForgeAus> tussell you might want to check how your bios is set up for sata and what raid settings are enabled/disabled
[09:17] <Tusell> 2x
[09:17] <ForgeAus> they may fix that issue
[09:18] <Tusell> ForgeAus RAID is off
[09:18] <bkudria> my keyboard layout is all screwed up - i have to (re)set some individual keys with xmodmap.  what could be wrong?
[09:18] <ForgeAus> Tussell just because raid is off doesn't mean the bios isn't set to use sata from the raid controller or not...
[09:18] <Tusell> understand that
[09:19] <ForgeAus> I had trouble reorganizing mine to get it to work too once...
[09:19] <ForgeAus> (I have a diff board now so easy)
[09:19] <Tusell> sata drives are on, raid is off, sata drives are not raid configured, ide drives are off because they are not
[09:19] <ForgeAus> eventually I found out how to do it
[09:19] <Tusell> :|
[09:19] <Jason_> thanks for answering my question man.
[09:19] <Tusell> well, I will install kubuntu
[09:20] <Tusell> and then will add beryl
[09:20] <ForgeAus> Tussell I know it sounds weird but have you got a legacy mode? like sata + pata?
[09:20] <Tusell> mmmm
[09:20] <Tusell> you lost me
[09:20] <pollyo> I have a TNT2 (nvidia) still having trouble getting beryl to run on it.
[09:20] <Tusell> sata (Hard Drive) pata (DVD ROM)
[09:20] <pollyo> I'm just about done attempting for a while.
[09:21] <ranjan> Tusell: look at this thread, turned out to be a cd drive problem http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-186115.html
[09:21] <Tusell> reading
[09:21] <icecruncher> anyone know how to install the equive to wamp? as in lamp?
[09:22] <dsmith_> gn all, thx for the help once again.
[09:22] <dsmith_> oh, one thing
[09:22] <dsmith_> anyone ever use freenx?
[09:22] <Tusell> ranjan but there the problem is hdc
[09:22] <Tusell> my problem was hda
[09:22] <Tusell> lol
[09:22] <Tusell> never mind
[09:23] <Tusell> I dont have ide drives, so my dvd rom is hda :$ sorry
[09:23] <dsmith_> whats a good vnc client for linux?
[09:23] <Tusell> do you know when they will release kubuntu 7.04?
[09:24] <posingaspopular> Tusell: the 19th
[09:24] <icecruncher> !ping > icecruncher
[09:24] <posingaspopular> but it might be delayed a few days
[09:24] <ranjan> Tusell: quote from thread: hdb:ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit
[09:24] <dsmith_> nm I found one
[09:24] <dsmith_> ultravnc works in linux
[09:25] <Tusell> posingaspopular thanks
[09:25] <Tusell> ranjan (Y)
[09:25] <bkudria> my keyboard layout is all screwed up - i have to (re)set some individual keys with xmodmap.  what could be wrong?  it is reset anytime i run setxkbmap
[09:25] <ranjan> Tusell: try the alternate cd
[09:26] <Tusell> ranjan is installing kubuntu right now
[09:26] <Tusell> if it does succesfully... I dont mind
[09:26] <Tusell> of ot crashes I will
[09:26] <ranjan> Tusell: cool!
[09:27] <Tusell> 50% downloading language packages
[09:28] <Tusell> you've been a great help
[09:29] <Tusell> 85% downloading language packages
[09:32] <icecruncher> to install lamp, do you need php4 and 5?
[09:33] <posingaspopular> !lamp
[09:33] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[09:33] <icecruncher> posingaspopular: they give you both 4 and 5
[09:34] <icecruncher> lol
[09:34] <icecruncher> thnks anyway
[09:34] <Tusell> wiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[09:34] <Tusell> it worked!!!!!!
[09:34] <Tusell> thanks so much guys
[09:34] <Tusell> ranjan
[09:34] <Tusell> posingaspopular thanks
[09:35] <Tusell> have a great night!
[09:35] <ranjan> Tusell: great!
[09:37] <insmod>  assholes why have no root pass but everytime i do something you ask for it
[09:38] <sonoftheclayr> insmod: it is asking for your password! not the root one, and please keep it PG :)
[09:39] <insmod> sonoftheclayr: no when i enter it it incorrect password -- or perhapes you don't have permision
[09:40] <insmod> this is sooo gay can i get a root or no
[09:41] <korrx> not exactly insmod
[09:41] <insmod> korrx: ? gay
[09:41] <korrx> not so
[09:41] <insmod> korrx:  i can do it as root
[09:41] <korrx> sudo su
[09:41] <orient2000> "sudo -i" in konsole for superuser
[09:42] <insmod> korrx: i just need to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[09:42] <korrx> but sudo is enough
[09:42] <insmod> wtf is sudo -- i am going to kill sudo
[09:42] <korrx> (root password is generated for security purposes)
[09:43] <insmod> gay
[09:43] <insmod> why have it on the f** panel if u can't fu** use it
[09:44] <korrx> sudo and your command may eexcute your command with administrative privileges (root way if you mild)
[09:44] <CompleteShift> Can someone help me troubleshoot my wireless ^^?
[09:45] <korrx> insmod : just need to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[09:45] <korrx> so $sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces in konsole ?
[09:46] <korrx> :$kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:47] <insmod> korrx: this sucks now i am root but i still can not apt-get - wtf
[09:47] <korrx> sudo apt-get ??
[09:47] <insmod> korrx: did sudo xterm -- then apt-get
[09:48] <hak5fan> Hi. I've installed flash player 9 and I'm using opera. In firefox flash player 9 works on all pages where it's required. In opera It only works on some pages
[09:48] <hak5fan> why
[09:48] <korrx> and don't work...
[09:49] <korrx> better way is konsole && sudo
[09:49] <korrx> ?
[09:49] <insmod> korrx: this is gay
[09:50] <korrx> ok ok
[09:50] <insmod> korrx: wtf i sudo to sudo to sudo
[09:51] <jager> ?
[09:52] <insmod> korrx: i just want to edit the file man -- not kill someone
[09:52] <korrx> ^^
[09:53] <korrx> text editor ?
[09:53] <korrx> manually ?
[09:53] <insmod> korrx: not enough perms
[09:53] <korrx> konsole
[09:53] <CompleteShift> If you need root permission to edit the file then you're not going to be able to edit the file without your root password =\
[09:54] <ranjan> insmod: sudo -i
[09:54] <korrx> normal user (you) ; then sudo /etc/network/interfaces
[09:54] <insmod> CompleteShift: that is my piont asswhole
[09:54] <korrx> no need to be logged as user ROOT
[09:55] <jager> anyone overclock?
[09:55] <korrx> Capslock on ??
[09:55] <jager> nm
[09:55] <insmod> i just need to add wep to /etc/network/interfaces
[09:55] <korrx> insmod : understood
[09:55] <wolferine> how do I check my USB devices, so I know they are installed/working, and can I set it up in VMware?
[09:56] <insmod> korrx: does not work -- i don't have permission
[09:56] <korrx> ok ; whats your terminal says ?
[09:57] <insmod> korrx: unable to lock the admin... dir..
[09:57] <korrx> Why don't you have permission ??
[09:57] <korrx> #
[09:57] <insmod> korrx: htfsik
[09:58] <korrx> pastebin your console messages ?
[09:59] <insmod> of what fault -- everything i do is a fault
[09:59] <insmod> wtf --- why change it so much
[10:00] <insmod> korrx: i know root etc .. why f** it up
[10:00] <pollyo> insmod: Why not just create a root account and log in if you want to use it so bad?
[10:00] <insmod> pollyo: please tell how
[10:01] <korrx> if you're used with other distros, root acount is "special" under *buntu
[10:01] <insmod> pollyo: passwd?
[10:01] <pollyo> insmod: I thought you said you know how to use a root account?
[10:02] <insmod> pollyo: solrais linux bsd etc -- not this
[10:02] <insmod> pollyo: do you
[10:02] <pollyo> insmod: I'm 30 days into linux
[10:02] <pollyo> Anyone know if it is possible to ignore someone on irc?
[10:02] <insmod> pollyo: not the real stuff then lol
[10:03] <pollyo> Nevermind.
[10:03] <flaccid> pollyo: depends on client. konversation has the feature
[10:03] <pollyo> insmod: Actually... I'll let you get back to your ranting.
[10:03] <pollyo> insmod: Good luck with what you are doing.
[10:03] <pollyo> flaccid: I found it.
[10:03] <pollyo> flaccid: Thank you.
[10:04] <flaccid> np
[10:04] <insmod> pollyo: going 13 yrs with linux :) thaught i would try it lol
[10:04] <korrx> =] 
[10:06] <insmod> pollyo: i wrote a neet console dvd apt for it
[10:07] <insmod> pollyo: shrinks dvd etc
[10:10] <insmod> http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/
[10:14] <pollyo> Anyone know if there is a way to ensure a computer gets a specific network IP on your local network?  Do routers generally have such a function?
[10:15] <flaccid> pollyo: static dhcp
[10:15] <flaccid> !info dhcp
[10:15] <ubotu> dhcp: DHCP server for automatic IP address assignment. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0pl5-19.4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 108 kB, installed size 308 kB
[10:15] <flaccid> ie. dhcpd
[10:16] <Lynoure> pollyo: yes, routers usually let you do that, too, if they do dhcp to start with
[10:16] <flaccid> and it doesn't have to be a router box, any lan computer can do it
[10:16] <flaccid> dhcpd.conf configure for mac address binding
[10:17] <Lynoure> yes, but two dhcp servers at the same time can be trouble or at least annoyance, so makes sense to pick one and use that.
[10:18] <flaccid> unless they server different subnets
[10:18] <flaccid> -er
[10:18] <flaccid> i don't think anyone suggested two dhcp servers anyway..
[10:20] <pollyo> My router can work with dyndns.org I'm not sure how that would work.
[10:21] <flaccid> dyndns is for external IPs
[10:21] <flaccid> not private subnets like 10.0.0.0, 192.168.0.0 and 172.0.0.0
[10:21] <insmod> how do i edit /etc files or even use apt-get?
[10:22] <pollyo> flaccid: Why would a linksys router have the option to setup for use with dnydns?
[10:22] <flaccid> use a text editor to edit /etc/* files and apt-get to run apt-get
[10:22] <insmod> flaccid: i have no permision
[10:22] <flaccid> so people can use the dyndns.org service
[10:22] <flaccid> insmod: under sudo
[10:23] <flaccid> !sudo > insmod
[10:23] <insmod> flaccid: i am a debian guy -- know idea of it -- just can't do jack
[10:24] <pollyo> flaccid: So the setup in the router would simply replace ddclient?
[10:24] <insmod> flaccid: why not just use root?
[10:24] <flaccid> insmod: nothing stopping you if you really want to
[10:24] <flaccid> pollyo: yes
[10:24] <insmod> flaccid: then how
[10:24] <flaccid> !su
[10:24] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:24] <flaccid> right
[10:25] <flaccid> insmod: can i ask you why you need root?
[10:25] <naught101> does it seem odd that apache2 installs without a httpd.conf file from a ubuntu .deb?
[10:25] <flaccid> naught101: no thats how they intended it
[10:25] <flaccid> (unfortunately)
[10:25] <flaccid> apache2.conf i believe
[10:26] <naught101> apache2.conf replaces httpd.conf?
[10:26] <naught101> is that a ubuntu only thing?
[10:26] <flaccid> something like that. they have a modular system that i dislike in terms of conf includes and naming conventions of files
[10:26] <flaccid> yeah
[10:26] <naught101> hrrmm...
[10:27] <flaccid> debian is 10x better for server
[10:27] <fdoving> naught101: i belive ubuntu and debian are very similar in that manner.
[10:27] <fdoving> flaccid: why?
[10:27] <flaccid> debian doesn't have that sites-available sites-enabled system
[10:28] <flaccid> its more static includes in the httpd.conf commented out
[10:28] <insmod> flaccid: can't find mozilla wt hell
[10:28] <flaccid> !find mozilla
[10:28] <ubotu> Found: mozilla-firefox-locale-ar, mozilla-firefox-locale-bg-bg, mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-bd, mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-in, mozilla-firefox-locale-ca (and 127 others)
[10:28] <pollyo> naught101: I was looking for a httpd.conf as well but it appears to have an entire directory of configuration files somewhere.  I had to activate the webdir by creating some symlinks.
[10:28] <flaccid> you want mozilla suite?
[10:28] <naught101> pollyo: painful..
[10:28] <flaccid> pollyo: that shouldn't be the case. /etc/apache2 and /var/www
[10:29] <naught101> did you find any good instructions on the net?
[10:29] <fdoving> flaccid: you can easily change the config to whatever you like.
[10:29] <naught101> yeah.
[10:29] <flaccid> fdoving: yes but thats not the point.
[10:29] <insmod> flaccid: i want't anything apt-get doent go
[10:29] <naught101> so is it the case that things that should be put in httpd.conf CAN be put in apache2.conf?
[10:30] <fdoving> flaccid: if you have more than one virtualhost it's much better to have separate files anyway.
[10:30] <flaccid> depends what you call things, naught101
[10:30] <flaccid> fdoving: yes but not in this system
[10:30] <fdoving> flaccid: what system?
[10:30] <flaccid> ubuntu
[10:30] <naught101> "RewriteBase /" for example
[10:30] <insmod> flaccid: this is so gay nothing works root can't connect to 0:0 ----
[10:30] <pollyo> flaccid: What is var/www?
[10:30] <flaccid> its a pain in the arse to manage this way with symlinks sites available/enabled
[10:31] <flaccid> !apache2
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apache2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <flaccid> !apache
[10:31] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:31] <pollyo> flaccid: Isn't that the default web?
[10:31] <flaccid> start reading
[10:31] <flaccid> pollyo: yes
[10:31] <flaccid> i think /var/www/default or something
[10:31] <fdoving> flaccid: no it's not. it's very convenient. but you need to understand how it works, of course. like everything else.
[10:31] <pollyo> flaccid: To get domain.com/~username I had to activate the userdir.conf
[10:32] <flaccid> fdoving: thats your opionion. i understand exactly how it works! i just don't like it all and neither does the apache project
[10:32] <pollyo> flaccid: In the /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[10:32] <flaccid> pollyo: correct
[10:32] <pollyo> flaccid: I'm more or less in the dark on the subject.  At this time it is working.  I'm quite happy for being just a month into using linux.
[10:33] <pollyo> flaccid: I hope to expand my understanding over time.  I do not just want to know that I could get it working.  I want to have an idea about how and why it works.
[10:33] <flaccid> pollyo: thats what documenation is for :)
[10:33] <flaccid> but i don't see a doco on the ubuntu apache2 heir
[10:34] <pollyo> flaccid: True. <grin>
[10:35] <pollyo> What is the scoop on apache and apache2 anyway?
[10:35] <flaccid> scoop?
[10:35] <pollyo> Do they still develop both of them?
[10:35] <flaccid> they maintain apache
[10:35] <flaccid> and they develop apache2
[10:35] <flaccid> apache is still very much active and in production
[10:35] <pollyo> flaccid: I see.
[10:35] <flaccid> however there is no reason to use apache1
[10:36] <flaccid> unless its on a server that does not require an upgrade which is very common
[10:43] <_chocobo> if a port is filtered
[10:43] <_chocobo> its basically closed right?
[10:44] <flaccid> not necessarily
[10:44] <fdoving> flaccid: just as a sidenote, debian got the same apache2 config as ubuntu. :)
[10:44] <flaccid> it can depend on the firewall rule if it opens or closes the connection
[10:44] <flaccid> fdoving: really
[10:45] <fdoving> flaccid: yep, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=apache2.2-common&version=stable&arch=i386
[10:45] <flaccid> fdoving: thats weird coz the two fresh debian servers i was given to admin had a different heir / config
[10:45] <jager> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/KCometen3?content=30313  <-- coolest screensaver ever
[10:45] <jager> omg so sweet
[10:45] <flaccid> fdoving: ah but thats mods
[10:46] <flaccid> i'm talking about sites-available  / sites-enabled symlink concept
[10:46] <fdoving> flaccid: etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[10:46] <ZPM> would anyone know why my screensavers all dissapeared out of the control center? i just realized today that my screensavers werent working so i went in the center to see if it somehow got turned off and they are all gone, theres not one in the selection box
[10:48] <flaccid> fdoving: can you show me that in the pkg contents on debian like the last paste?
[10:49] <fdoving> flaccid: it's in the first paste, you just need to click 'all' pages.
[10:49] <_chocobo> Whats the point of setting up apache?
[10:50] <fdoving> _chocobo: if you want to host an website, it's handy.
[10:51] <flaccid> fair enough
[10:51] <flaccid> sorry then fdoving they must of installed a dif apache package on these servers
[10:52] <fdoving> flaccid: or changed the config somehow. :)
[10:52] <flaccid> yeah but it was meant to be untouched install
[10:53] <flaccid> it had a httpd.conf with most of the global directives and just a range of includes, but the header comments said debian
[10:53] <flaccid> so must not of been apache2.2-common
[10:54] <fdoving> i belive ubuntu and debian changed to the "new" way, with the apache2-inclusion.
[10:54] <fdoving> apache1.3 had the one-file setup.
[10:55] <flaccid> myself i prefer a traditiona httpd.conf style as per the official documenation like freebsd - there was no need to go to that extent considering there is no interface to manage the sites available/enabled feature
[10:55] <smile> hi linuxians ... I will make dist-apgrade in Dapper .. is there any advice before i do it ?!
[10:55] <flaccid> fdoving: ok maybe my memory served me wrong and it was apache1
[10:55] <smile> is there anything to check ?
[10:56] <flaccid> is there anything that can admin the new system. ie. a front end ?
[10:56] <flaccid> coz it seems pointless without it. its actually more commands to create a new site
[10:56] <flaccid> than a simple include..
[10:56] <fdoving> flaccid: there is 'a2ensite' and 'a2dissite'  - 'a2enmod' and 'a2dismod'
[10:56] <fdoving>  /is/are
[10:56] <flaccid> w0a
[10:56] <flaccid> thats hectic
[10:57] <flaccid> ok cool
[10:57] <flaccid> thats not really in any support doc
[10:57] <_chocobo> can i host an ftp server with apache?
[10:57] <fdoving> i think it's nice, i can disable site.domain.com with a simple command 'a2dissite site.domain.com'
[10:57] <fdoving> _chocobo: no, you need separate software for that.
[10:58] <_chocobo> fdoving: do u know the software?
[10:58] <flaccid> i guess it is cool
[10:58] <flaccid> but a2dssite weird command
[10:58] <ZPM> hey guys, would any of you know why screensavers would disappear from KDE?
[10:58] <flaccid> i guess you get used to it
[10:58] <fdoving> _chocobo: vsftpd, proftpd, wzdftpd, twoftpd, pure-ftpd, muddleftpd, among others.
[10:58] <flaccid> but they only need to make it rename the conf file so its not included
[10:58] <enry> hi
[10:58] <_chocobo> fdoving: any recommended
[10:59] <fdoving> flaccid: it's sort of an acronym for 'apache2disablesite'
[10:59] <flaccid> ie. include *.conf but not *.disabled or whatever
[10:59] <flaccid> fdoving: i realised that its just weird imo
[10:59] <flaccid> and forking it a bit much
[10:59] <flaccid> but thats cool
[10:59] <fdoving> flaccid: they include everything in the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ folder, those are symlinks to /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[10:59] <flaccid> i know
[11:00] <flaccid> you can conditional/wildcard include
[11:00] <fdoving> and commenting one line in apache.conf disables the system.
[11:00] <fdoving> Include /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/[^.#] *
[11:00] <flaccid> thats right
[11:01] <flaccid> im just saying you don't need the symlinking
[11:01] <flaccid> because of the regex capability
[11:01] <fdoving> _chocobo: for simple setups i use vsftpd, more complex i go for proftpd. because i know them. i've heard pureftpd is good if you want virtual users.
[11:02] <fdoving> flaccid: sure, it can probably be done in multiple ways.
[11:02] <premier_> hey guys, I just upgraded to feisty from edgy, first of all, is there anything that needs to be done post-reboot?
[11:02] <dettoaltrimenti>  I'm using firefox on ubuntu, and firefox is not encoding some characters (mainly cyrillic) and every time I go to a page that has these characters, I get an error message for each character (sometimes many thousand)- is there any way to remove these error messages/
[11:03] <fdoving> premier_: check that everything works, if it does, no :)
[11:03] <premier_> secondly, I had a script that modified my keymap when X started, but now its gone.  How can I get it to run everytime X Starts?  I don't mind a mad hack
[11:04] <crazy_penguin> Hi all!
[11:04] <premier_> fdoving: everything seems to work... A couple programs crashed and I got that window to send the information to the developers, but otherwise its fine
[11:04] <fdoving> premier_: ok. good.
[11:05] <fdoving> premier_: what kind of script was this you used?
[11:05] <premier_> well, it has three lines, i think
[11:05] <premier_> the first is xmodmap /home/me/keyswap, which swaps caps lock and backspace
[11:06] <premier_> the second and third change the repeat rates of those two keys
[11:07] <fdoving> premier_: do you have it?
[11:08] <premier_> although, I think I might have fixed it.  See, my computer confused capslock and shiftlock, so I wrote two different scripts, but I just renamed them, so now it will work.
[11:08] <premier_> I know this because the second and third lines ran correctly
[11:08] <premier_> fdoving, do I have beryl or compiz installed now that I have feisty?
[11:09] <fdoving> premier_: no, not by default.
[11:10] <premier_> fdoving: if I install beryl or compiz now, will I have to reinstall it next week when the final version comes out?
[11:10] <fdoving> premier_: no, just install the regular updates.
[11:19] <premier_> fdoving: why is aigx enabled by default if neither beryl nor compiz are? whats the point?  (not trying to be critical, I really do want to know)
[11:20] <flaccid> !find runescape > flaccid
[11:20] <fdoving> premier_: the point is to make it easier for users to enable compiz/beryl when they want to.
[11:21] <citynova> ciao
[11:22] <citynova> posso
[11:22] <citynova> chiedere un aiuto?
[11:22] <premier_> fdoving: how do I figure out what version of kubuntu I have installed?
[11:23] <fdoving> premier_: in a konsole you can write 'lsb_release -c'
[11:23] <premier_> fdoving: anyone with more information?  that just say "fiesty"
[11:23] <fdoving> !feisty | premier_
[11:23] <ubotu> premier_: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[11:24] <fdoving> premier_: you can replace the -c with -a for more info on the commandline.
[11:24] <sli> siema
[11:26] <sli> sa tu polacy ?
[11:27] <premier_> fdoving: how do I know if I have AIGX running as-we-speak?  I mean, if I install and run beryl, will it work or will I have to restart x?
[11:27] <_chocobo> anybody know how to use
[11:27] <_chocobo> netcat
[11:27] <fdoving> premier_: 'grep -i aiglx /var/log/Xorg.0.log' that will tell you.
[11:28] <premier_> I guess not
[11:28] <premier_> (**) Option "AIGLX" "off"
[11:28] <premier_> (**) AIGLX disabled
[11:29] <fdoving> premier_: that is because there is an option set to "off" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you can set that to 'on' if you want to enable it.
[11:29] <premier_> fdoving: last time I played around with this stuff, unless beryl was up and running (and correctly) the desktop was very slow and behaved strangely... is that still true?
[11:29] <shovi> does anybody know good howto for configuring radeon 9600 tv-out?
[11:29] <fdoving> premier_: not for me, or anyone i know. i need to go. bye.
[11:30] <premier_> that is, when AIGLX was running but not beryl
[11:36] <premier_> Hi, fdoving told me a couple of minutes ago to do something on a console... started with grep...  could you guys repost what he said?  I had to restart
[11:39] <Ilokaasu> premier_: 'grep -i aiglx /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[11:40] <premier_> what does this mean: (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[11:40] <premier_> (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateNewScreen_20050727)
[11:40] <premier_> that looks... bad...
[11:46] <premier_> theres one package that is not downloading correcty when I update
[11:48] <frojnd> helo
[11:48] <frojnd> how can I disable password for XP user in samba??
[11:50] <flaccid> what do you mean frojnd
[11:51] <frojnd> flaccid: I can't disable password for XP user.
[11:51] <flaccid> do you mean anonymous access?
[11:51] <flaccid> public?
[11:51] <frojnd> flaccid: even if I go to  K system and settings sharing and I give there simple sharing
[11:52] <frojnd> and I've also created samba user with the same username and password as XP
[11:52] <frojnd> also unix user
[11:52] <frojnd> flaccid: yes
[11:52] <frojnd> flaccid: I wanna everyone to share...
[11:52] <flaccid> pastebin smb.conf
[11:52] <frojnd> ok
[11:53] <frojnd> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15768/
[11:53] <premier_> flaccid: do you know anything about beryl?
[11:54] <flaccid> premier_: no
[11:54] <flaccid> frojnd: i'll edit for you
[11:54] <frojnd> flaccid: muchas grazie
[11:55] <flaccid> workgroup?
[11:56] <frojnd> flaccid: I have workgroup, and XP user has MSHOME
[11:57] <flaccid> ok MSHOME it is
[11:57] <frojnd> maybe that's the reason
[11:58] <flaccid> pastebin /etc/samba/smbusers
[11:59] <frojnd> flaccid: strange I don't have any smbusers,,
[12:00] <flaccid> map unix user = smb user
[12:00] <flaccid> eg.
[12:00] <flaccid> flaccid = flaccid
[12:00] <frojnd> /etc/samba  ls -> gdbcommands  smb.conf  smb.conf~  smb.conf.original  smb.conf.original~
[12:00] <flaccid> add your user entry to smbusers
[12:00] <frojnd> sorry fIaccid
[12:01] <frojnd> flaccid: how
[12:01] <frojnd> don't know the drill
[12:01] <frojnd> I mean what do I have to put in smbusers..
[12:01] <flaccid> with a text editor
[12:01] <flaccid> eg.
[12:02] <flaccid> flaccid = flaccid
[12:02] <frojnd> flaccid: just that?
[12:02] <frojnd> what about password
[12:02] <flaccid> for smbusers yes just that
[12:02] <flaccid> its a map
[12:02] <flaccid> unix user = smb user
[12:03] <flaccid> here is the new smb.conf : http://pastebin.ca/440836
[12:03] <frojnd> where do I have to put this unix user = smb user
[12:03] <flaccid> in /etc/samba/smbusers
[12:03] <flaccid> so what is the username on the xp machine and what is the username on the ubuntu machine?
[12:04] <flaccid> hey Arami
[12:04] <Arami> :)
[12:05] <frojnd> flaccid: it's the same: kelso
[12:05] <frojnd> it's not my username..
[12:05] <flaccid> kelso = kelso
[12:05] <flaccid> thats what should be in there
[12:05] <flaccid> then save the new smb.conf
[12:05] <flaccid> then run smbpasswd under the user keso
[12:05] <flaccid> kelso
[12:05] <flaccid> then restart samba
[12:05] <flaccid> then try
[12:05] <frojnd> flaccid: can u paste it in paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:06] <frojnd> since there is alot of paragpraphs..
[12:06] <flaccid> no
[12:06] <flaccid> use kdesu kate /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:07] <flaccid> copy from browser and then paste in there overwriting
[12:09] <flaccid> i would probably also add this to smbusers
[12:09] <flaccid> nobody = guest pcguest smbguest nobody anonymous
[12:12] <pollyo> Hello
[12:22] <smile> hi .. I upgraded my Dapper to edgy, can i upgrade again to feisty ?
[12:22] <maki> yes
[12:23] <maki> smile;you have an instaler in adept
[12:24] <aldin> anyone knows which package provides this header 'kconfigskeleton.h'
[12:24] <smile> maki: what u mean ?
[12:24] <maki> it will ask you if you like to upgrade to feasty
[12:24] <flaccid> yum
[12:25] <maki> i upgrade to feasty that way
[12:25] <flaccid> same
[12:25] <flaccid> heh
[12:25] <flaccid> was that of choice , maki ?
[12:25] <flaccid> was dapper to edgy successful?
[12:25] <maki> ?
[12:26] <aldin> anyone tried to complie KTrafficAnalyzer?
[12:26] <pollyo> If you want to remove a symlink do you just delete it like a file?
[12:27] <flaccid> yes pollyo but if it is a dir symlink make sure you remove /dir and not /dir/
[12:27] <pollyo> flaccid: Ok.  Thank you.
[12:28] <flaccid> np
[12:28] <flaccid> pollyo: this is using rm right?
[12:29] <pollyo> flaccid: Yes.
[12:29] <flaccid> cool
[12:30] <cox377> Hello all
[12:30] <cox377> i\m wondering if someone can make me a recommendation
[12:31] <cox377> i'm after an application that will convert a batch of JPG images into a smaller size
[12:31] <cox377> rathert than having to edit each one
[12:32] <maki> where can i add autostarted comands
[12:32] <ubuntu> hey guys, im in a bit of a fix.. i booted off the kubuntu cd (6.10, edgy, 64bit for AMD) and hit the install thing on the desktop when it appeared and everything went well until about 95% where it hanged and kde windows stopped updating etc, so
[12:32] <ubuntu> i then booted and installed in oem mode
[12:33] <ubuntu> all the configuring etc worked great but it then hanged on 6% of copying files.. cd is moofed.  but, its overwritten my mbr somewhere, i cant boot xp anymore.  im on the live again, question - can i install lilo from here?
[12:33] <flaccid> !autostart
[12:33] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[12:35] <maki> ubotu :i need to make net conection at boot
[12:36] <flaccid> what sort of net connection
[12:36] <maki> pon dsl-provider makes the adsl connection
[12:36] <flaccid> pon dsl-provider?
[12:37] <maki> but i need to write this in terminal every time i boot up the pc
[12:37] <Arami> I'm off to sleep folks! Been an interesting read, as always, Flaccid ;)
[12:37] <flaccid> cool cia0 Arami
[12:37] <Arami> Ta!
[12:37] <pollyo> how do you access a hidden directory in a terminal?
[12:37] <flaccid> cd ./.hiddendirectory
[12:38] <Sephnroth> really need help with this :/
[12:38] <pollyo> nevermind
[12:38] <pollyo> It was a typo.
[12:53] <frojnd> flaccid: if I do smbtree in konsole there is still a workgroup: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15776/  and heare is the output of smbusres as I edited as nano: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15768/
[12:59] <tarelerulz> any of you us moblock or other ipblocker ?
[01:21] <_Neil> hmmm
[01:22] <tarelerulz> I installed moblock and  I get wierd erorr when I try to ping some of the blocklst
[01:22] <tarelerulz> know host
[01:23] <tarelerulz> unknow host I mean
[01:25] <tom_> Hi
[01:38] <rafaguap> Good sunday everybody... here's my issue: the only way to have wireless card work on my kub', is to set acpi=force to kernel... but this disables the recognized of my usb disks! Same issue on 6.06 or last beta 7.04. Packard bell laptop, atheros, using madwidi.
[01:39] <ses_> anyone suggest a method or link of installling nvidia drivers on 2.6.17-11-generic kernel or how to go back to 2.6.170-generic
[01:40] <cco80> ccc
[01:40] <cco80> ciao
[01:42] <pollyo> Is there anyway to figure out why my harddrive is so active?
[01:43] <rafaguap> pollyo: use command 'top'
[01:51] <Hc\> O.o
[01:56] <ratulangi> hello all
[01:57] <ratulangi> is there imq patched kernel for kubuntu, so we don't need to patch and compile kernel from source?
[02:04] <pollyo> Anyone know where I would find a guide on how to setup phpgedview with (k)ubuntu and apache2?
[02:04] <jovan> hello today i have do an update but everything goes wrong with fonts cannot write to cache have anybody a workaround (feisty)
[02:05] <jovan> ?
[02:07] <giuseppe> :)
[02:07] <giuseppe> goodmorning
[02:08] <KillGore> Hi, anyone here using kooldock 0.4.6 ?
[02:09] <DuckFart> hello
[02:10] <cco80> hello
[02:10] <giuseppe> someone have a link to know how to do a .deb package from a compilated file?
[02:12] <KillGore> guiseppe: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[02:23] <solemnwarning> Whenever I try playing an mp3 I hear no sound and he track finishes in seconds
[02:23] <solemnwarning> What should I do?
[02:23] <solemnwarning> s/he/the/
[02:24] <giuseppe> thanks killgore :D
[02:24] <solemnwarning> Anyone?
[02:25] <giuseppe> sole...
[02:25] <giuseppe> have you installed the codec mp3?
[02:25] <solemnwarning> There's an mp3 codec to install?
[02:26] <solemnwarning> I don't see one in apt-cache search mp3 codec
[02:27] <giuseppe> whait
[02:27] <giuseppe> wait
[02:28] <giuseppe> sole read this http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?topic=47620.0
[02:29] <giuseppe> is italian but is easy to understand :)
[02:29] <giuseppe> if have any problem say here
[02:29] <_4strO> !mp3 | solemnwarning
[02:29] <ubotu> solemnwarning: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:30] <Mangust-a> running edgy-eft, and suddenly swap space dissappeared??
[02:31] <Mangust-a> only 1 hard drive in machine, can reinstate it with mkswap /dev/hda3 but it doesn't appear to use it?
[02:31] <Mangust-a> any ideas?
[02:31] <Mangust-a> I'd keep googling, but the machine slows to a crawl with FF
[02:31] <castarco> hello
[02:32] <solemnwarning> There's no libxine-extracodecs package :|
[02:32] <castarco> It's secure using debian repositories in place of ubuntu repositories?
[02:32] <_4strO> solemnwarning: you need w32codecs
[02:32] <solemnwarning> Mangust-a: swapon /dev/hda3
[02:33] <solemnwarning> _4strO: I already have it installed
[02:33] <castarco> hello aldin
[02:33] <Mangust-a> solemnwarning: did that, but on reboot was gone again?
[02:33] <giuseppe> solemn have you add multiverse and univers repository?
[02:33] <Mangust-a> this started after last round of updates
[02:33] <castarco> hay alguien espaol por aqu?
[02:33] <solemnwarning> You need to add it to /etc/fstab, Mangust-a
[02:33] <Mangust-a> ok
[02:34] <aldin> cadoo, hello
[02:34] <aldin> castarco, hello
[02:34] <castarco> one question
[02:34] <aldin> castarco, go ahead
[02:34] <solemnwarning> giuseppe__: Multiverse?
[02:34] <castarco> do you know if is secure using debian repositories in place of ubuntu repositories?
[02:34] <Mangust-a> I have: UUID=a7a065ea-0229-4120-80af-e40376ac7a46 none swap sw 0 0
[02:35] <_4strO> castarco: i dont think so
[02:35] <HymnToLife> castarco, don't do that
[02:35] <solemnwarning> Mangust-a: Add this:
[02:35] <Mangust-a> should that be: UUID=a7a065ea-0229-4120-80af-e40376ac7a46 /dev/hda3 swap sw 0 0
[02:35] <solemnwarning> "/dev/hda3<tab>none<tab>swap<tab>sw<tab>0<tab>0"
[02:35] <aldin> castarco, i dont see any reason of doint it... ubuntus are good
[02:35] <Mangust-a> ok, thanks, will try
[02:35] <solemnwarning> Without the quotes, replace <tab> with tabs
[02:37] <castarco> the problem is : the spanish repositorie doesn't connect :( and i can't update
[02:37] <Mangust-a> ah, I see problem, the UUID has changed, why would that change?
[02:38] <aldin> castarco, u can switch on general repos... instead es.archive.ubuntu.com u type only archive.ubuntu
[02:38] <solemnwarning> Mangust-a: Probably because you formatted it with mkswap
[02:38] <castarco> thanks
[02:38] <solemnwarning> But /dev/hda3 is better then a UUID anyway
[02:38] <Mangust-a> ok, thanks
[02:38] <aldin> castarco, !sources.list
[02:39] <Mangust-a> ok, rebooting to test, thanks muchely solemnwarning
[02:43] <hyper_ch> solemnwarning: why do you think /dev/hda3 is betther than UUID?
[02:44] <pollyo>  Anyone know how to resolve this error: 25 DB Error: extension not found
[02:44] <pollyo> I'm attempting to setup phpgedview on apache2
[02:49] <_4strO> hyper_ch: because if you change the hardware /dev/sda1 could become /dev/sda2
[02:49] <_4strO> oups mistyake
[02:50] <_4strO> it was for solemnwarning
[02:50] <hyper_ch> _4strO: well, if you use the UUID then it will always be the same partition as long as you don't change the partitions... so you can add drives and switch them around as you want, the UUID will work...
[02:50] <_4strO> yes hyper_ch
[02:51] <hyper_ch> _4strO: e.g. upgrade from edgy to feisty... sata is now /dev/sd.. and not anymore /dev/hd..
[02:51] <hyper_ch> that gave me some headaches as I didn't hve UUIDs back tehn
[02:51] <_4strO> ^^
[02:52] <hyper_ch> but then I still wait for solemnwarning's response
[02:53] <ses_> is it possible to install nvidia drivers on 2.6.17-11 without it failing to boot into X
[02:57] <hugeta> ho bro what the name java development in linux cause to many java dev in adept
[02:58] <hugeta> hi anyone can help me
[03:06] <hak5fan> Hi I'm trying to set up my ubuntu box as a printer server with samba so that my windows machine can use the printer connected to the ubuntu box. Here is my cupsd.conf and smb.conf files: http://p.rc6.org/index.php?id=eab0c44d63. And I followed this guide: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-110931-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-0.html?sid=57467f929badcd1e45e152bece731935. I have created a user to use when printing, but when I try to connect to
[03:06] <hak5fan> the printer windows comlains about insufficiant priviligies what's wrong
[03:06] <hugeta> ehm
[03:22] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with apache2?
[03:23] <adaptr> yes
[03:23] <pollyo> Am I missing a mod having this error come up: -25 DB Error: extension not found       	
[03:23] <adaptr> everybody in #apache, for starters :)
[03:23] <adaptr> pollyo: where is that error ?
[03:23] <pollyo> adaptr: I'm attempting to setup phpgedview
[03:23] <adaptr> pollyo: okay, so you're talking about PHP, not apache
[03:24] <adaptr> again, *where* is the error ? if it's the apache logl, then that is NOT the complete error
[03:24] <pollyo> adaptr: it is when I go to mydomain.com/phpgedview
[03:24] <pollyo> adaptr: IT comes up in the page.
[03:25] <pollyo> adaptr: I also get: Your current database configuration is bad.  Please check your database connection parameters and configure again.
[03:25] <pollyo> DB Error: extension not found  [DB Error: extension not found]  ** Array
[03:25] <adaptr> pollyo: then it's a PHP error, you don't have the mysql module loaded
[03:25] <adaptr> most likely, anyway - what is the apache version, php version, what did you install
[03:25] <pollyo> adaptr: Is that something easy to do?
[03:25] <pollyo> adaptr: It was in the repository
[03:26] <pollyo> adaptr: for feisty
[03:26] <MK_Mike> Hey, does any one if theres away i can make kde start a script at start up?
[03:26] <adaptr> pollyo: it would be loaded by default if you used a standard buntu install
[03:26] <adaptr> MK_Mike: there are many ways
[03:26] <pollyo> adaptr: php would have been or the database part?
[03:26] <adaptr> pollyo: php 5 comes with the mysql module pre-loaded and configured
[03:27] <pollyo> adaptr: I copied the conf and load to the enabled modules though.  Was that wrong/
[03:27] <adaptr> pollyo: do this: echo "<?phpinfo()?>" > /var/www/info.php
[03:27] <galathalion> anyone help me with my wlan plz?
[03:28] <aaron__> I just wasted 4 hours looking for a modem that is known to work with linux... I couldn't find anything but "use a hardare modem"
[03:28] <adaptr> indeed, any old usrobotics on a serial cable works fine
[03:28] <pollyo> adaptr: I have that setup.
[03:28] <adaptr> pollyo: you have what setup ?
[03:28] <pollyo> adaptr: A page to give me the php information
[03:28] <pollyo> adaptr: PHP 5.2.1
[03:29] <aaron__> even though there are lots of  sites saying that certain software modems work, they NEVER say which ones?!
[03:29] <adaptr> pollyo: and mysql is there ?
[03:29] <pollyo> adaptr: What should I look for?
[03:29] <adaptr> aaron__: did you look at linmodems.org yet ?
[03:29] <aaron__> unfortunately I don't have a serial port :(
[03:29] <aaron__> adaptr: yes... It only lists chipsets
[03:29] <adaptr> aaron__: do you have USB >?
[03:29] <pollyo> adaptr: Would that be additional .ini files parsed?
[03:30] <adaptr> aaron__: the chipset is easy to determine - if you already have the hardware :)
[03:30] <pollyo> adaptr: or would it also be in another area?
[03:30] <aaron__> And the stores don't say what chipset the modem has!
[03:30] <pollyo> adaptr: It does show in additional .ini files parsed.
[03:30] <adaptr> pollyo: we can go 2 ways: either you do what I tell you, and we get somewhere, or you go off on your own tangent and I will stop trying to follow you
[03:30] <aaron__> and I'm not going to buy a modem that I don't know if it will work
[03:30] <adaptr> aaron__: agreed, it sucks something fierce
[03:31] <adaptr> aaron__: the goo dshops do though
[03:31] <pollyo> adaptr: mysql is located in many areas.
[03:31] <aaron__> So, on the ubuntu wiki I put up a " working conexant modems" page and a "working lucent modems" page etc, in the dial up networking how to
[03:32] <adaptr> pollyo: I have no clue what you're talking about, but I'm quite sure I was clear
[03:32] <aaron__> anybody here have a working modem that I can add to thelist?!
[03:32] <pollyo> adaptr: You asked if mysql was there.
[03:32] <adaptr> hell no, I ever only got ISDN modems working - they'rre easy
[03:32] <pollyo> adaptr: It is in many parts of the page
[03:32] <adaptr> pollyo: *what page* ?
[03:32] <aaron__> er...it's a wiki so anybody can add to it.  I just really really really need to go to bed
[03:33] <adaptr> pollyo: if you're talking about the phpinfo page, do you even understand what it tells you ?
[03:34] <adaptr> because it simply describes loaded modules, and there will be ONE (1) section for the mysql extension; either it's there or it isn't
[03:34] <pollyo> adaptr: When I type in what you said in a terminal I get Permission denied
[03:34] <adaptr> pollyo: then do it as root
[03:35] <pollyo> adaptr: sudo echo "<?phpinfo()?>" > /var/www/info.php
[03:35] <pollyo> adaptr: Same thing.. Permission denied
[03:35] <aaron__> -- turns into a tuber so he too can become root
[03:36] <adaptr> pollyo: that should not happen - did you alter any permissions on those directories ?
[03:36] <pollyo> adaptr: bash: /var/www/info.php: Permission denied
[03:37] <pollyo> adaptr: The only thing I changed was making links from mods-available to mods-enabled
[03:37] <pollyo> adaptr: Under apache2
[03:37] <adaptr> pollyo: what does ls -l /var/www say ?
[03:38] <pollyo> adaptr: I did add one link in /var/www as well
[03:38] <adaptr> well, now
[03:38] <pollyo> adaptr: That was wrong I take it.
[03:39] <adaptr> who knows ? *what* did you do ?
[03:39] <pollyo> adaptr: I couldn't find installation instructions for this.
[03:39] <adaptr> pollyo: for what ?
[03:39] <pollyo> adaptr: Ok.  I creaeded a link phpgedview -> /urs/share/phpgedview
[03:39] <adaptr> that should work fine
[03:40] <adaptr> but phpgedview is a ubuntu package ? then it also modifies apache accordingly, count on it
[03:40] <adaptr> and you should not do this manually
[03:40] <pollyo> adaptr: I have three items in the ls ..  apache2-default , mythweb -> /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb , phpgedview -> .usr/...
[03:40] <adaptr> odds are apache does it with an alias
[03:40] <volgotron> hallo evrybody
[03:40] <pollyo> adaptr: I installed it from the repository and it did not appear to do so.
[03:40] <adaptr> pollyo: did you just go to the page after installing the package ?
[03:41] <adaptr> well, what it appears to do and what actually happens are two very different things
[03:41] <pollyo> adaptr: Yes and got nothing.
[03:41] <pollyo> adaptr: There is something in /etc/phpgedview
[03:41] <adaptr> especially if they "appear" to do so to a n00b :)
[03:41] <pollyo> adaptr: an apache.conf
[03:41] <adaptr> yes, and it will be linked to apache2/conf.d
[03:41] <adaptr> and loaded once apache is restarted, which the package install would have done
[03:41] <adaptr> read that conf file
[03:42] <adaptr> that will tell you what you need to know
[03:42] <pollyo> adaptr: It is not linked to it.
[03:42] <pollyo> ada
[03:42] <pollyo> adaptr: there are three files under /etc/phpgedview none are linked
[03:43] <pollyo> adaptr: the apache.conf does have an alias line in it.
[03:43] <cox377>  I've been trying to mount a SMB drive and now when i run DF-H I've got the same drive mounted in the same location lik 6 times
[03:43] <pollyo> adaptr: Would it be better to use that and remove the link I created under www
[03:43] <cox377> does anyone know the file where these mounts are listed so i can delete them
[03:45] <adaptr> pollyo: yes, it would be better
[03:45] <pollyo> adaptr: Ok.  I removed the link.
[03:45] <pollyo> adaptr: Where does apache usually place alias information?
[03:46] <pollyo> adaptr: I have apache.conf  config_gedcom.php  config.php
[03:46] <pollyo> adaptr: All under /etc/phpgedview
[03:47] <pollyo> adaptr: Do the packages come with any type of install information that I could keep an eye out for?  Everything that I have found for phpgedview is for people who are paying for webhosting services.
[03:47] <adaptr> ln -s /etc/phpgedview/apache.conf /etc/apache2/phpgedview.conf
[03:48] <adaptr> any package worth your time has install instructions
[03:48] <adaptr>  /usr/share/doc/<packagename> is the usual location
[03:48] <pollyo> adaptr: Would that be with or without sudo?
[03:48] <adaptr> whatever works, perhaps ? time for you to get to work
[03:49] <pollyo> adaptr: Had to use sudo
[03:49] <pollyo> adaptr: Ok
[03:50] <pollyo> adaptr: Anything need to be done with the other two files?
[03:50] <adaptr> pollyo: no, they will be referenced from the php site itself
[03:50] <pollyo> adaptr: Ok. Thank you.
[03:50] <adaptr> pollyo: but perhaps, if no symlinks were made during installation, your installation was bad
[03:51] <adaptr> my first thought would be to fsck it and reinstall
[03:51] <pollyo> adaptr: Does that check my file system?  I'm 30 days into linux.
[03:52] <adaptr> no, it doesn't - I mean ditch it, drop it, uninstall it, FUCK IT :)
[03:52] <adaptr> then re-install
[03:52] <adaptr> aptitude remove phpgedview && aptitude install phpgedview
[03:53] <LjL> ahum
[03:53] <pollyo> adaptr: Ok should I run fsck first?
[03:53] <adaptr> and perhaps delete any and all references to it in between
[03:53] <shawn34> Will KleenSweep run correctly on ubuntu/gnome?
[03:53] <pollyo> adaptr: Oh..
[03:53] <pollyo> adaptr: Sorry.. I got it ...
[03:53] <pollyo> adaptr: Junk it and reinstall it.
[03:53] <adaptr> and make sure nothing is left hanging
[03:54] <pollyo> adaptr: Ok.  I'll remove that link that we created uninstall it and then reinstall it.
[03:54] <pollyo> adaptr: I'll note the link incase I need it after the reinstall
[03:54] <pollyo> adaptr: Will I have to restart the apache2 after install or should that handle and changes as well?
[03:55] <adaptr> the package should take care of all that
[03:55] <adaptr> but it won;t do any harm to stop apache before uninstalling
[03:55] <intelikey> ok initramfs is totally stupid.    and i'm unanamus about it.
[03:55] <cox377> i once was able to pull up a kubuntu boxes files using shh on konqueror however i've forgotten how to access it
[03:56] <cox377> can anyone remind me?
[03:57] <intelikey> this kernel initramfs.img pair will boot from one drive but not from another.    that should not happen.   who ever wrote initramfs needs to go back and lick their calf over
[03:58] <adaptr> cox377: sshfs
[03:59] <cox377> adaptr: n1
[03:59] <adaptr> cox377: X.25
[03:59] <intelikey> wait.  i may be too hasty in judging which part is at fault.  it could be grub that is stupid i guess.    but i'm convinced it's initramfs
[04:00] <cox377> adaptr: lol?
[04:00] <cox377> this samba mounting business is doing my head in
[04:00] <adaptr> what is it, ssh or samba
[04:02] <cox377> wll i'm trying to mount a samba share that i have on one linux box to another linux box
[04:02] <cox377> i run this command
[04:03] <cox377> sudo mount -t cifs -o user=,pass= //server /store
[04:03] <cox377> it all seems to go through ok but i cant actually edit any of the files on the store from this kubunu machine it just says access denied
[04:03] <adaptr> mount it where ?
[04:03] <intelikey> ok all the details.   i have a kernel + initramfs.img pair in /boot  and copied to another disk in /boot on that disk.    lilo boots the one on the system root /boot  and grub boots the one in the other disks /boot   (note the pair are exact copies)  the grub menu.list has all the correct boot information and works with a special kernel + initramfs pair   but the pair that i copied from the system root /boot only get to a bui
[04:03] <cox377> i'm trying to mount the drive of the file server to my kubuntu desktop that i'm on now
[04:04] <intelikey> and that of course means that initramfs did not make the device node for the system disk.
[04:04] <_4strO> cox377: smb://yourWorkGroup/
[04:04] <cox377> _4strO: what about it mate?
[04:04] <adaptr> intelikey: initramfs only knows about your current partition setup; if you want it to point somewhere else you'll have to explicitly tell it that
[04:04] <intelikey> adaptr yes and it should work no matter where it was stored and loaded from.
[04:05] <_4strO> cox377: i dont understand your pb, want u acces a samba share ?
[04:05] <adaptr> intelikey: not so
[04:05] <intelikey> adaptr ok why ?
[04:05] <adaptr> intelikey: I just told you - you run intramfs and it makes an initrd *for your current disk layout*
[04:05] <compilerwriter> intelikey: mission accomplished.
[04:05] <cox377> _4strO: yeh i want read/write access to a samba share from this kubuntu machine
[04:05] <adaptr> intelikey: if you try to boot that from another partition then the layout has changed, right ?
[04:06] <intelikey> adaptr no.
[04:06] <adaptr> well, yes
[04:06] <intelikey> layout is the same.
[04:06] <intelikey> root=/dev/sda   did not change
[04:06] <intelikey> compilerwriter congrats  :)
[04:06] <adaptr> I don't think you understand what "layout" means here.. I am referring to the order and numbers of the partitions as seen by the kernel; this has nothing to do with any physical layout
[04:06] <cox377> _4strO: do you know what I'm saying?
[04:07] <_4strO> cox377: i think
[04:07] <cox377> _4strO: thus i ran the command
[04:07] <cox377> sudo mount -t cifs -o user=,pass= //server /store
[04:07] <intelikey> adaptr you saying that initramfs is using bios info ?
[04:07] <compilerwriter> intelikey:  took me forever to figure out how to enable xdmcp in gdm.  I finally found a tutorial that told me how to do it.
[04:07] <_4strO> dont have to use mount
[04:08] <adaptr> intelikey: I am saying it is dependent on the exact location of the *image* for referring to the filesystem
[04:08] <_4strO> cox377: just go to smb://WORKGROUP/
[04:08] <compilerwriter> It is much easier to do in gdm than kdm.
[04:08] <cox377> _4strO: i do but i dont get read write access
[04:08] <cox377> _4strO:  it says access denied
[04:08] <adaptr> intelikey: this should not normally be a problem, but I have no idea what you have loaded in your initrd
[04:09] <_4strO> cox377: so the pb is on the box who share the files
[04:09] <cox377> _4strO: ok, so how do i go about making it read / write
[04:09] <cox377> _4strO: i've SSH'ed into it
[04:09] <adaptr> cox377: no, the pb is with the Qt that's rather OT for this particular 411
[04:09] <adaptr> sjeez
[04:09] <cox377> adaptr: sorry mate what do you mean?
[04:10] <_4strO> adaptr: ??
[04:10] <intelikey> adaptr ok are you telling me that the initramfs will load drivers only for the disk it is on.   reguardless of what the root=  is ?
[04:10] <cox377> the QT rather than the OT?
[04:10] <adaptr> typing people - look into it
[04:10] <adaptr> intelikey: isn't the function of the initrd to load drivers ?
[04:10] <intelikey> adaptr cause i have another initramfs that works from that drive and from this one.
[04:10] <adaptr> intelikey: then I suggest you investigate the differences between those images :)
[04:10] <compilerwriter> Now, intelikey, I wonder if it is advisable to, have the box listening for tcp?
[04:10] <adaptr> becuase there will be differences - and at least one significant one...
[04:11] <cox377> adaptr: was that response to typing people for me?
[04:11] <adaptr> intelikey: also, you don't have an "inmitramfs" - you have an *initrd*, which is the output of the *command* "initramfs"
[04:11] <adaptr> cox377: yes, sorry, I probably meant _4strO
[04:12] <intelikey> adaptr no i dont have an initrd
[04:12] <intelikey> i have an initramfs.img
[04:12] <adaptr> intelikey: yes you do, because that's what the initramfs /mkinitrd command outputs - an INITial RamDisk
[04:12] <adaptr> the name hardly matters
[04:13] <pollyo> adaptr: The uninstall/reinstall didn't do it.  I'm going to post a message one of the websites.  Thanks for the suggestions and help.
[04:13] <adaptr> pollyo: try the forums, they're good
[04:13] <intelikey> heh  actually it generated an initian ram file system image    but as you say that's not improtant
[04:13] <adaptr> pollyo: or mail teh author
[04:13] <_4strO> cox377: testparm
[04:13] <ses> is there a fix for nvidia drivers on 2.6.17-11
[04:13] <intelikey> initial
[04:13] <adaptr> intelikey: that's what the format of the file is, yes - but the file itself is a ram disk image, ergo initrd
[04:13] <cox377> _4strO: -bash: testpalm: command not found
[04:14] <_4strO> cox377: on your server ?
[04:14] <cox377> yeh
[04:14] <cox377> using ssh
[04:14] <intelikey> not disk  file system.
[04:14] <intelikey> no disk needed to have a file system.
[04:14] <_4strO> cox377: testparm not testpalm :p
[04:15] <cox377> Loaded services file OK.
[04:15] <cox377> WARNING: passdb expand explicit = yes is deprecated
[04:15] <cox377> Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE
[04:15] <cox377> _4strO: lol ok worked that time
[04:15] <_4strO> ^^
[04:16] <cox377> _4strO: the drive i want is set read only = no
[04:16] <_4strO> cox377: ok
[04:16] <cox377> _4strO: but yet access denied
[04:17] <_4strO> cox377: guest ok = Yes ??
[04:17] <cox377> _4strO: yup
[04:18] <_4strO> cox377: smbpasswd -a account
[04:19] <cox377> _4strO: account being the account i use or just account?
[04:19] <_4strO> where account is the log you use on the cleint station
[04:19] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[04:19] <aaroncampbell> That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.  What can I do to get rid of it?
[04:20] <cox377> _4strO: am i running that command as root?
[04:20] <_4strO> cox377: i think you dont have choice ;)
[04:21] <cox377> _4strO: right created user with new password
[04:21] <_4strO> cox377: and after reboot the samba server : /etc/init.d/samba restart
[04:21] <_4strO> (with sudo)
[04:21] <Schuenemann> I get this error whenever I try to start blender: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". What can I do?
[04:22] <cox377> _4strO: restarted
[04:23] <_4strO> try to connect now
[04:23] <cox377> refreashed the mount point and still access denied
[04:23] <intelikey> well your theory don't hold watter.
[04:23] <_4strO> not use the mount point
[04:23] <cox377> konqueror?
[04:23] <cox377> or smb://server?
[04:23] <intelikey> but i'm more convinved that grub is involved now.
[04:23] <_4strO> juste put smb://yourWorkGroup
[04:24] <intelikey> where did abator go ?
[04:24] <cox377> _4strO: oooo i'm getting an internal error when i try and modify files not
[04:24] <intelikey> oh well we'll discuss it later.
[04:24] <cox377> now
[04:24] <_4strO> ???
[04:25] <lebinh> \me
[04:25] <cox377> _4strO: it gabe some internal error please report bug
[04:25] <cox377> but now back to access denied
[04:27] <cox377> _4strO: lol stuck?
[04:27] <_4strO> cox377: lol
[04:28] <Schuenemann> I get this error whenever I try to start blender: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". What can I do? That error started after I changed my video card.
[04:28] <enry> goodbye
[04:28] <_4strO> cox377: you're sure you are using the good url ?
[04:28] <visik7> Schuenemann: you haven't 3d accel
[04:28] <cox377> _4strO: the good url/?
[04:29] <_4strO> smb://yourWorkGroup
[04:29] <visik7> Schuenemann: what video card is and was ?
[04:29] <_4strO> (with your workgroup)
[04:29] <Schuenemann> visik7, Geforce 256. The previous was a SiS
[04:29] <cox377> i'm connecting and reading the files fine
[04:29] <visik7> you need to enable nvidia legacy driver
[04:29] <Schuenemann> I did
[04:29] <cox377> i just cannot delete
[04:30] <Ahmuck> doing a dist-upgrade is safe?
[04:30] <_4strO> ok ok
[04:30] <Schuenemann> I get the nvidia logo when X starts
[04:30] <cox377> _4strO: one thing, i can actually write to the drive from the intial point of entry, it's all the stuff been put on by other ppl i'm having probs with
[04:30] <visik7> Schuenemann: do you have Load "glx" in Section "module" of your xorg.conf ?
[04:30] <Schuenemann> yes
[04:30] <visik7> Schuenemann: weird
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> hi, it's official, god hates me.
[04:31] <Schuenemann> Load           "glx"
[04:31] <visik7> Schuenemann: do you use XGL ?
[04:31] <Schuenemann> yeah, it's werid
[04:31] <Schuenemann> what is XGL?
[04:31] <visik7> nevermind
[04:31] <Schuenemann> :-/
[04:31] <_4strO> cox377:  the intial point of entry ???
[04:31] <visik7> if you don't know what is it you aren't using it
[04:32] <visik7> btw let me try to run blender
[04:32] <cox377> smb://server/store
[04:32] <visik7> ok here works
[04:32] <gsasha> I have a problem with printing under KDE, is this the right place to ask?
[04:32] <cox377> and the first point when i enter the drive i can write to, however any folders that have been created by other computers is where the problem is
[04:32] <Ahmuck> gsasha: ask
[04:32] <Schuenemann> it used to work with that crappy video card I had
[04:32] <visik7> Schuenemann: other 3d apps works ?
[04:32] <Schuenemann> although crashing
[04:33] <_4strO> cox377: not really sure i understand your pb
[04:33] <Schuenemann> visik7, which other can I test? I changed the card yesterday
[04:33] <cox377> :s
[04:33] <visik7> one that use GLX module
[04:33] <Schuenemann> glxinfo and glxgears don't work
[04:33] <visik7> actually I can't remember
[04:33] <visik7> let mese
[04:33] <Schuenemann> glxgears?
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> my main hdd got hosed...  fortunately i don't store anything that needs to be permanent on there
[04:34] <Schuenemann> visik7, which display is this ":0.0" ?
[04:34] <cox377> _4strO: thats alright mate
[04:34] <cox377> _4strO: cheers for trying
[04:34] <doop> i have darkstat and i get a pcap_lookupdev() no suitable device found error when running
[04:34] <visik7> Schuenemann: the first X you have started
[04:34] <doop> any ideas
[04:34] <Schuenemann> hmm
[04:35] <_4strO> cox377: you can do everything (create and delete files ) by using konqueror but
[04:35] <_4strO> cant do it with another application ?
[04:35] <eihnat> how can i burn audio CD from mp3 on kubuntu?
[04:36] <cox377> _4strO: no i can create and delete in everything, i just can edit/delete/write to any files / folders that have been put on that drive by another person
[04:36] <doop> isn't there a command to meet dependencies?
[04:36] <doop> for installed programs
[04:36] <visik7> Schuenemann: what is the output of   glxinfo | grep direct
[04:37] <gsasha> After a recent update of Kubuntu Feisty, printer has stopped working... just nothing appears. Please help!
[04:37] <Schuenemann> the same error lots of times plus this one: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[04:38] <Ahmuck> Daisuke_Ido: fiesty ?
[04:38] <Ahmuck> eihnat: k3b
[04:38] <visik7> Schuenemann: a silly question: was Load "glx" present before the current X session ? or you add it right now ?
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> Ahmuck: yep
[04:38] <Schuenemann> it was already there :)
[04:38] <pagan0ne> eihnat: you need to enable software restricted multiverse in your apt client, and install libk3b2-mp3
[04:39] <Ahmuck> Daisuke_Ido: so your disk error was caused by fiesty you think?
[04:39] <Ahmuck> cause i was just thinking about doing a dist upgrade
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> no, my disk crash was caused by the drive dying
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> it wasn't exactly new
[04:39] <eihnat> paganOne: thanx. just didnt know what plugin i needed, cuz it told me mp3 is not supported.
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> feisty is just fine
[04:39] <Schuenemann> visik7, help I found on google told me to add that line but it was alwyas there
[04:39] <pagan0ne> eihnat: thats what i figured, i had to do some digging when i first set it up to figure it out myself
[04:40] <gsasha> Feisty is 7.04
[04:40] <gsasha> 'tis currently beta
[04:40] <visik7> Schuenemann: I supose that legacy driver has some issue with glx
[04:40] <visik7> let me check
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> thank you captain obvious
[04:40] <cox377> gsasha: is heremuch change/
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> so now, since i didn't have the foresight to get a feisty beta cd, i'm reinstalling edgy on a spare drive
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> 30gb :(
[04:40] <pagan0ne> anyone here have any expirence installing thunderbird 2 beta ontop of thunderbird 1.5 from the apt repos?
[04:41] <visik7> Schuenemann: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for a (EE) about GLX
[04:42] <dhq> !socket
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about socket - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <Schuenemann> visik7, (EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension
[04:42] <pagan0ne> Daisuke_Ido: i just went through that myself, my WD 120 died after 5 years of pretty much continious use, and all i had that i could transfer data on was a 40Gb, because the system wouldnt reconize both 120's at the same time on the bios level, so i was going 120 > 40 > 120 a couple times to get everythung transferd
[04:42] <visik7> Schuenemann: remove the composite extension
[04:42] <Schuenemann> what is a composite extension?
[04:43] <visik7> or
[04:43] <visik7> try to add this option to section Screen
[04:43] <visik7> Option         "AllowGLXWithComposite" "True"
[04:43] <visik7> but I dunno if it works with legacy drivers
[04:43] <shawn34> is KDE faster than GNome?
[04:44] <Schuenemann> section screen of xorg?
[04:44] <visik7> shawn34: is a ferrari faster than a lamborghini ?
[04:44] <visik7> Schuenemann: yes
[04:44] <jovan> how to use de default kde profile not the kubuntu once?
[04:44] <pagan0ne> shawn34: thats spectulitive, but if your looking for fast, try fluxbox or windowmaker
[04:44] <shawn34> nah not really just curious
[04:44] <shawn34> im think of making a switch to kde from gnome
[04:44] <visik7> Schuenemann: yes
[04:44] <shawn34> just looking for some convincing evidence lol
[04:45] <pagan0ne> shawn34: i did the switch 3 years ago, and a LOVE kde, best thing i ever did
[04:45] <visik7> shawn34: try and buy
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> shawn34: there's no evidence that gnome is faster than kde, unless you compare a stripped gnome to a loaded kde
[04:45] <shawn34> Daisuke_Ido, thats not really what i ment
[04:45] <shawn34> just looking for reasons to switch to kde
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> plus kde doesn't make it a pain to adjust settings
[04:46] <pagan0ne> shawn34: because its fast and easy to switch, give it a try, get it all comftrable to work with, youll like it, im sure
[04:46] <shawn34> why do you guys prefer kde over gnome
[04:46] <Schuenemann> visik7, ok, done.
[04:46] <visik7> and ?
[04:46] <Schuenemann> restart X?
[04:46] <visik7> yes
[04:46] <shawn34> pagan, can i switch without reinstalling ubuntu?
[04:46] <visik7> do it
[04:46] <pagan0ne> shawn34: i think its a more user friendly enviroment
[04:46] <pagan0ne> shawn34: yeah
[04:46] <Schuenemann> I have a feeling I won't be able to restart it :p
[04:47] <Schuenemann> brb
[04:47] <visik7> Schuenemann: don't worry
[04:47] <visik7> Schuenemann: at least the option will be ignored
[04:47] <Arwen> !medibuntu
[04:47] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[04:47] <Schuenemann> ok, brb
[04:47] <Arwen> hmm
[04:47] <Daisuke_Ido> shawn34: install "kubuntu-desktop"
[04:47] <Daisuke_Ido> which is what you get with a default kubuntu install anyway
[04:47] <shawn34> Daisuke_Ido, can i then remove 'ubuntu-desktop'?
[04:48] <shawn34> or will i then have both
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> it's just a meta package
[04:48] <Arwen> shawn34, yes, but you'd still have all the packages in Ubuntu if you remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll have both
[04:48] <pagan0ne> shawn34: you can do either, remove it, or keep both
[04:48] <shawn34> then at the gdm just choose kde session?
[04:48] <Arwen> yes
[04:48] <shawn34> hrm
[04:48] <shawn34> maybe i will try that after i backup
[04:49] <Schuenemann> visik7, dude, it worked... I can start blender
[04:49] <Schuenemann> but it looks very buggy
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> err
[04:49] <visik7> I can't help you about this sorry
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> isn't almost everything in medibuntu already in universe/multiverse?
[04:49] <Schuenemann> visik7, what was the other option you suggested besides adding that line?
[04:50] <visik7> remove the Composite
[04:50] <Schuenemann> what is that?
[04:50] <pagan0ne> anyone know of a good place to get help with mozilla-thunderbird?
[04:50] <shawn34> Daisuke_Ido, whats medibuntu?
[04:50] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, yes
[04:50] <visik7> an extension of Xorg
[04:50] <Schuenemann> pagan0ne, they have a forum
[04:50] <Arwen> but their libavcodec has lame and faac support..
[04:50] <Arwen> which is good...
[04:50] <Schuenemann> visik7, how do I do that?
[04:50] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[04:51] <Arwen> dunno why they bothered statically linking amarok to lame though...
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate reinstalling
[04:51] <visik7> Schuenemann: do you have a section called extension ?
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> especially when i've got everything just how i want it
[04:51] <visik7> Schuenemann: probably at the bottom of the xorg.con
[04:51] <visik7> f
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> then BAM.  head crash and kerblooie
[04:52] <Schuenemann> visik7, I don't
[04:52] <visik7> ok create it
[04:52] <visik7> Section "Extensions"
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[04:52] <visik7> Option         "Composite" "Disable"
[04:52] <shawn34> I used ndiswrapper for my wireless and it was a really easy, will this work in kubuntu as well?
[04:52] <visik7> EndSection
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> how can you not have an extensions section
[04:53] <doop> i get a Fatal error: WWW: Problem binding socket to port < 1024 using darkstat.  does anyone know what this is
[04:53] <visik7> Daisuke_Ido: it's common
[04:53] <Schuenemann> done
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> shawn34: of course, it's still the same OS
[04:53] <shawn34> k
[04:53] <Schuenemann> visik7, ok, I'll try again
[04:53] <visik7> Schuenemann: and comment out the line about GLX with Composite that you previously added
[04:53] <Schuenemann> visik7, should I remove the line I added?
[04:53] <Schuenemann> ahh ok
[04:53] <eihnat> shawn34: ndiswrapper works on kernel level. got nothing to do with GUI
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> lord only knows how flaky this drive is
[04:54] <Schuenemann> visik7, I don't know if that matters, but the log says all font directories weren't found
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> old 30gb seagate
[04:55] <Schuenemann> brb
[04:57] <shawn34> Anyone know if they worked out the damn Legacy GLX issue with the nvidia drivers? I want to update to 7.04 but want to run glx apps and beryl as well
[04:57] <soulrider__> hi everyone
[04:57] <visik7> shawn34: try the livecd
[04:57] <Schuenemann> visik7, worked the same (buggy) way
[04:58] <visik7> Schuenemann: so the only place where you can ask is on the blender forum/ml/channel
[04:58] <soulrider__> shawn34: why not just wait a week and you can upgrade to feisty safely?
[04:58] <Schuenemann> :/
[04:58] <Schuenemann> thanks
[04:58] <shawn34> visik7, i already installed 7.04 like 2 weeks ago but glx wasn't working with the legacy drivers
[04:58] <Arwen> shawn34, the legacy glx issue?
[04:58] <soulrider__> shawn34: i suggest you wait
[04:58] <shawn34> Arwen, yes
[04:58] <visik7> shawn34: Schuenemann is using glx with legacy driver
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. any video card that needs the legacy glx stuff - wouldent that imply its a bit under powered for Beryl?
[04:59] <Daisuke_Ido> morning soulrider
[04:59] <soulrider__> hi Daisuke_Ido
[04:59] <Schuenemann> I'm not using beryl
[04:59] <shawn34> Dr_Willis, no, im using beryl right now with no issue
[04:59] <Schuenemann> if that was meant to me
[04:59] <shawn34> but im on edgy
[04:59] <Daisuke_Ido> pray for me
[04:59] <Arwen> Dr_Willis, well, the nvidia 4xxx series is *still* fast enough for beryl...
[04:59] <shawn34> Dr_Willis, using beryl with legacy card on edgy
[05:00] <visik7> obviously depend on the amount of enabled plugins
[05:01] <kaneknows> Hey, i just set up RSA ssh keys with a server and in the cli it works correctly, but konq still prompts for the password.  is there a way to correct taht?
[05:01] <Arwen> visik7, dunno, the only tricky plugin I know of is blur
[05:02] <mcgregor> hi all
[05:03] <Daisuke_Ido> so far so good
[05:03] <tux> hello all
[05:03] <Daisuke_Ido> now to start the avalanche of updeates
[05:03] <tux> where can i find a good and easy tool to monitor and kill processen
[05:03] <tux> processes
[05:03] <mcgregor> i have valknut and i can't download from others hubs
[05:04] <mcgregor> what i need to do
[05:04] <Arwen> tux, "ps" and "kill"
[05:04] <Arwen> that should cover it?
[05:04] <fdoving> tux: ctrl-esc
[05:05] <tux> that's the tool im looking for fdoving
[05:05] <tux> tnx
[05:05] <tux> my laptop is constandly blowing to cool down
[05:06] <tux> and my processor is constantly at 100%
[05:06] <fdoving> tux: do you have kde-guidance-powermanager installed and running?
[05:07] <mcgregor> who's answer to my Question
[05:07] <tux> no, but my powermanagement also has a problem
[05:07] <tux> i cant see my actual battery status
[05:07] <shawn34> how is kde's browser compared to firefox when it comes to java/flash and other stuff like that?
[05:07] <imagine> it's good
[05:07] <imagine> same thing
[05:08] <mcgregor> hello
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[05:08] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:08] <ubuntu> hi
[05:09] <spawn57> is there away to change the icons for usb mounted devices, my phone's usb drive shows up as a god damn ipod
[05:09] <mcgregor> i have valknut and i can't download from others hubs
[05:09] <soulrider__> hi, ubuntu do you mind changing your nick ?
[05:09] <Daisuke-Ido> k, got that part going
[05:09] <ubuntu> how_
[05:09] <mcgregor> what i need to do
[05:09] <tux> my system is using 928.040kb, i dont think that's good
[05:09] <ubuntu> ?
[05:09] <Daisuke-Ido> !ohmy | spawn57
[05:09] <ubotu> spawn57: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:09] <tux> memory btw
[05:10] <soulrider__> ubuntu: type "/nick <new nick>
[05:10] <soulrider__> no "
[05:10] <acamargob> done
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> mcgregor,  i would say check the valknut homepage/docs for troubleshooting guides.  Never used that program. No idea what it is.
[05:10] <spawn57> ubotu: =| sorry hehe
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sorry hehe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> !info valknut
[05:10] <ubotu> valknut: graphical client for Direct Connect. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.7-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 863 kB, installed size 3040 kB
[05:10] <soulrider__> !es | acamargob
[05:10] <ubotu> acamargob: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> mcgregor,  its possible its a router/firewall issue.
[05:11] <soulrider> bbl, lunch! :D
[05:11] <tux> how much memory are your systems running
[05:11] <tux> on
[05:11] <shawn34> 1gig
[05:11] <tux> how much in use?
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> tux,  linux uses all the ram thats not needed as disk 'cache' freeing up the cache when other programs want the memory
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> linux's memory management system is very well done. and  proberly not somthing to worry about.
[05:12] <tux> so using 93.000 kb is normal?
[05:12] <tux> 93mb
[05:12] <mcgregor> gay
[05:12] <tux> 930mb
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> 930mb out of howmany?
[05:12] <mcgregor> it's my sister
[05:12] <tux> 2gb Dr_Willis
[05:12] <mcgregor> my sister ride theat
[05:12] <mcgregor> that
[05:12] <tux> but my laptop is getting verry warm and cooling down all the time
[05:12] <mcgregor> sorry
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> tux,  and what all are you runnung.
[05:13] <jay__> If you were getting segfaults while running Beryl under Xgl (ati) how would you go about trying to find the problem?
[05:13] <tux> wich is not so nice when it's 28 degrees celcius outside
[05:13] <tux> just KDE, ktorrent and one terminal
[05:13] <fdoving> jay__: ask in #beryl or #ubuntu-effects before doing anything else.
[05:13] <fdoving> tux: ktorrent eats memory.
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> tux,  its being used as disk cache then - would be my guess.
[05:13] <Daisuke-Ido> first i'd start by buying an nvidia card :)
[05:13] <Arwen> tux, uh, no, you got problems then
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> yea ktorrent can snarf a bit of ram also.
[05:13] <sivaji> what is ktorrent
[05:13] <acamargob> how can i repair kubuntu? it wont go through half the boot procces
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> !info ktorrent
[05:14] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 1154 kB, installed size 5032 kB
[05:14] <Daisuke-Ido> acamargob: which half?
[05:14] <tux> i thaught so, even windows XP with the default spyware is using half of that memory
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> tux,  next time under windows.. notice that it takes HALF the ram - and then has a huge swap file also....
[05:14] <tux> jep
[05:14] <mcgregor> about KTorrent
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> linux wont be using any swap file - if it can help it.
[05:14] <Daisuke-Ido> mcgregor: what about it?
[05:14] <tux> but there wont be a next time under windows :p
[05:15] <tux> but i dont want my laptop to get so warm
[05:15] <mcgregor> daisuke-ido
[05:15] <sivaji> i got one partition for kubuntu and three for xp , when i work in kubuntu i cant open xp partitions why ?
[05:15] <tux> it's blowing air out all the time and it is so anoying
[05:15] <Arwen> tux, liquid cooling?
[05:15] <Taladan> Grunty Gomer!
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> powersaving/apci/apm/other things  may be tweaked some.. theres also some 'laptop' related packages you may want to install
[05:15] <mcgregor> i forget one time to close my torrents
[05:16] <MK_Mike> Hey, How can i complete remove a program with apt-get?
[05:16] <mcgregor> then i do that think with kill torrents
[05:16] <Taladan> MK_Mike: apt-get remove <package>
[05:16] <Daisuke-Ido> Greasy Gopher
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> !apt
[05:16] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[05:16] <Daisuke-Ido> and that's all i have to say on the subject
[05:16] <tux> Arwen:  i can use that also for myself right now, 28 degrees celcius outside and one laptop heating it up to 35 degrees in here
[05:16] <mcgregor> daisuke-ido:what i need to do
[05:17] <Taladan> Galluping Gerbils
[05:17] <Daisuke-Ido> mcgregor: i dunno
[05:17] <sivaji> why i cant xp partition when i work in kubuntu ?
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> sivaji,  care to rephrase that?
[05:17] <Taladan> !ntfs
[05:17] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:17] <sivaji> why i cant open xp partition when i work in kubuntu ?
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> You need to mount the ntfs partitions.
[05:17] <mcgregor> daisuke-ido:to get in to my ktorrent again
[05:17] <Taladan> !ntfs|sivaji
[05:17] <ubotu> sivaji: please see above
[05:18] <sivaji> ok
[05:19] <mcgregor> can someone answer to my question
[05:19] <greg_g> what is your question?
[05:20] <Arwen> Dr_Willis, Feisty ships with ntfs-3g :-)
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> Arwen,  well the desktop install here - dident put anything in the fstab about my ntfs drives
[05:20] <imagine> Arwen: any date on Feisty RC release?
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> lets check the Media:// thing :)
[05:20] <mcgregor> greg_g:i forget one time to close my torrents
[05:20] <Taladan> !feisty
[05:20] <Arwen> imagine, the RC is already out
[05:20] <jhutchins> !ntfs | Dr_Willis
[05:20] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[05:20] <ubotu> Dr_Willis: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:20] <Arwen> the final will be out 1 week from now
[05:21] <greg_g> mcgregor: you forgot to close a torrent, and???
[05:21] <Taladan> Around the 19th is the date I've heard bandied about.
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  that wasent the question i was asking. :) i was wonderinfg IF fiesty did somthing like.. say.. auto-setting up this aparently asked 100times a day question. :)
[05:21] <mcgregor> greg_g:then i open my computer and i do that think with kill torrents
[05:21] <greg_g> mcgregor: do what thing?
[05:21] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: You're aware of the general background on it?
[05:22] <mcgregor> greg_g:what i need to do to get in Ktorrent again
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  been fighting with it for ages. :)
[05:22] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: I never had any trouble with the original native drivers, but then again that's how it goes.
[05:22] <greg_g> mcgregor: to use ktorrent, open a torrent file
[05:22] <mcgregor> thank's
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  noticeing that hda1 and hda5 are in media: and a user still cant read them.  - wich is all i want to do.. read my mp3's off my C:
[05:22] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: 99% have no trouble, 1% loose all data.  That was considered unacceptable.
[05:22] <mcgregor> greg_g:i gone to try that
[05:23] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: Protecting us from ourselves is part of the Gnome ethic, and ubuntu was Gnome before it was KDE.
[05:23] <Schuenemann> !nvidia
[05:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  im not asking about Writing to the stuff. Id just be happy if the installer mounted the things read only, where users could get to their data.
[05:23] <greg_g> mcgregor: btw, what was the "gay" comment for?
[05:24] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: I'm satisfied with an OS that gives me the ability to do things rather than taking the decisions away from me and doing what it thinks I want for me.
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  you are totally missing the point of my question however.
[05:25] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: Which is whether ntfs-3g will auto-configure in Feisty, right?
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  no.. i was DOES fiesty at least 'setup/mount the ntfs partitions where users can read the drives' basicially.
[05:25] <Arwen> Dr_Willis, no?
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> no writing. :)
[05:26] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: I'm sure someone in #ubuntu+1 would know.
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> aparently it dosent Arwen.
[05:26] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: So, no big, set 'em up yourself.
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> checking it out now..  of course once i copy the data over from the ntfs drives.. they be getting reformated...
[05:27] <Arwen> Dr_Willis, what's the big deal? edit fstab and set them up...
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  except for the fact that that exact 'problem/question' gets asked about 20 times a day in here.
[05:27] <Taladan> Dr_Willis: You can set it up so that whatever your current version is automounts them in the fstab.
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> its such a 'common question'  for the begeinners that it would be nice if it did set them up.
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> and yes. i allready have set up the fstab. befor i even started asking about it.
[05:28] <Arwen> is there an italian channel?
[05:28] <joey__> hey
[05:28] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: Linux as a whole is evolving to deal with the NTFS question.
[05:28] <Schuenemann> !it
[05:28] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:28] <Taladan> Dr_Willis: There are legality issues with it doing that I think.  Not sure if they still apply, but I'm pretty sure that's why it doesn't automatically do that.
[05:28] <joey__> what's up?
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> heh.. legally they cant  put a line in the fstab. :) but they can include the drivers/modules to do it.. THAT i could belive...
[05:28] <tux> where can i manage the programs that start with KDE
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> given the oddball nature of the legal/software stuff.
[05:29] <Arwen> Schuenemann, thanks
[05:29] <jhutchins> Taladan: I think it was more a question of reliability.  Nobody wanted to set up something by default that had a slight chance of destroying data.
[05:29] <jhutchins> Taladan: They wanted to make sure you understood the risks and took responsibility upon yourself.
[05:29] <mcgregor> greg_g:it's not work
[05:29] <Taladan> jhutchins: That may be true too.  I know that there /used/ to be legality issues about it, but I don't know if it applies anymore.
[05:29] <Arwen> also, making your Windows partition globally-read/write is a pretty big security hole...
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  you are saying by default its using ntfs-3g and not the old safe 'read only' ntfs drivers?
[05:29] <jhutchins> Taladan: They wanted you to MAKE BACKUPS before you set it up.
[05:29] <greg_g> mcgregor: btw, what was the "gay" comment for?
[05:29] <Arwen> that's like letting people edit /etc/shadow
[05:29] <Taladan> the real answer is:  Stop running windows
[05:30] <vajk> hi
[05:30] <Arwen> Taladan, that's not a productive comment...
[05:30] <tux> Taladan:  so true
[05:30] <kaneknows> i dont think there has been a case of the NTFS-3g really failing yet has there?
[05:30] <jhutchins> Taladan: As far as I know all of the ntfs drivers for linux have always been completely legal, they were reverse engineered or used licensed software within the license.
[05:30] <mcgregor> greg_g:my little sister write that
[05:30] <Arwen> kaneknows, well, iirc, it fails with Vista
[05:30] <tux> kaneknows: vista is ONE BIG faliuere
[05:30] <tux> and i even fail to write that
[05:30] <greg_g> mcgregor: ahh
[05:30] <kaneknows> Of course i meant with what is supports
[05:30] <Bloodytux> vista is just xp with a new look
[05:30] <Taladan> Arwen: It was supposed to be slightly amusing, nothing else.  No one said we couldn't have fun while helping others ;)
[05:31] <Schuenemann> vista = viruses intruders spyware trojans adware
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> Package: ntfs-config Enable/disable write support for any NTFS devices
[05:31] <tux> Bloodytux: and more errors
[05:31] <vajk> you guys have any idea why the video playback in full screen mode is slower , I've tried a few media players but it didn't help
[05:31] <greg_g> so, what EXACTLY are you trying to do,  re-download a torrent, finish a torrent, what?
[05:31] <Bloodytux> yea
[05:31] <Arwen> all right, enough with Windows-bashing, it's not productive and only makes #kubuntu look like a pack of zealots...
[05:31] <Bloodytux> :)
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> cool -->  This program allow you to easily configure all of your NTFS devices to allow write support via a friendly gui.
[05:31] <mcgregor> greg_g:it's not work
[05:31] <Arwen> vajk, your video card doesn't have hardware scaling?
[05:31] <Bloodytux> bbl
[05:31] <pollyo> Does www.cartoonnetwork.com lock up firefox for anyone else/
[05:31] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: I have heard a rumor that feisty has ntfs-3g included by default, but not having ntfs storage on a Feisty box I don't know what it does.
[05:31] <Arwen> or because for some reason you're using x11 as an output module?
[05:31] <tux> where can manage the programs that start up
[05:31] <greg_g> mcgregor: what do you mean it doesn't work. what doesn't work and what is it doing or not doing that makes it not work
[05:31] <mcgregor> greg_g:that think about KTorrent
[05:31] <Arwen> pollyo, no? but Cartoon Network = fail?
[05:32] <sivaji> what is the use of startx command?
[05:32] <greg_g> mcgregor: what about it, you weren't clear before, I just guess what the problem was
[05:32] <Schuenemann> to start X
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  aparently its 'there' in the repos - and that tool lets you configure it.. :) so thats a much better answer to tell the beginners in a week or so 'to use ntfs-config'
[05:32] <fdoving> !autostart | tux
[05:32] <ubotu> tux: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:32] <Taladan> I just wanna find out  why my KDE session restarts every time I try to view something that uses OpenGL
[05:32] <vajk> I might have a codec problem, but I don't know for sure
[05:32] <Arwen> sivaji, to start X if you don't use GDM or KDM
[05:32] <fdoving> tux: also, by default the programs you left running when you loggeed out will be restored.
[05:32] <jhutchins> pollyo: Loads fine in konqueror for me.
[05:32] <mcgregor> greg_g:you told me to open a KTorrent file
[05:32] <sivaji> !sivaji | start x
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sivaji - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <Arwen> Taladan, your video card driver sucks?
[05:33] <Taladan> Arwen: The nvidia driver in the repo?
[05:33] <tux> i want to make less programs autostart, but they are not in that directory
[05:33] <jhutchins> sivaji: It's just startx.
[05:33] <pollyo> jhutchins: let me try konqueror.
[05:33] <greg_g> mcgregor: I know, I am asking what is your problem, please restate your problem and what you want to do
[05:33] <Arwen> Taladan, then your system is misconfigured?
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> tux,  what progrms are autostarting?
[05:33] <tux> to many i guess
[05:33] <fdoving> tux: make sure they are closed the next time you logout.
[05:33] <Taladan> It was working fine until I replaced my mobo and proc.  Same video card
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> tux... how vague.
[05:33] <tux> and also, my battery manager is not working too
[05:34] <jhutchins> !not working
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about not working - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <tux> perhaps re install
[05:34] <jhutchins> !doesn't work
[05:34] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> tux,  you may want to clarify the whole problem you are having..
[05:34] <Taladan> How could it be misconfigured?  And if so, how do you reconfigure it when it's the same video card that was working before?
[05:34] <Schuenemann> hehehe
[05:34] <Daisuke-Ido> it's holding out for a better contract
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> tux - if you are wanting to use a lighter window manager. you could install xfce, or some other ones. Theres also some laptop tools that are not isntalled by default
[05:34] <vajk> can you help me why the video playback is slow in full screen mode with any video player I've tried ?
[05:34] <mcgregor> greg_g:friday i forget to close my torrents
[05:35] <tux> my system is running to many things that i dont know of, the result is that it's warming up all the time and sometimes causing my video playback to stutter
[05:35] <Ginja_Ninja> Is it possible to assign audio devices to a particular X session ?
[05:35] <tux> and my system should be able to run KDE
[05:35] <tux> Core duo 1.73ghz with 2gb RAM
[05:35] <greg_g> mcgregor: yes, so you forgot to close your torrent.  so what is the problem
[05:35] <greg_g> mcgregor: you said you restarted your computer correct?
[05:35] <pollyo> jhutchins: Does it load some type of flash screen?
[05:36] <greg_g> mcgregor: which means that it should be closed
[05:36] <jhutchins> pollyo: I guess.  Says loaded 100%.
[05:36] <Daisuke-Ido> i think i'll go ahead and wait for the official feisty launch to re-upgrade...
[05:36] <pollyo> jhutchins: It locks for me right after the 100%.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> tux,  for a start you may want to fire up the package manager and search for 'laptop' theres several powersaving/other laptop specific tools in there that may let you tweak things.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> !find laptop
[05:37] <ubotu> Found: laptop-detect, laptop-mode-tools, education-laptop, klaptopdaemon, kpowersave (and 4 others)
[05:38] <soulrider> my dad bought a core 2 duo processor i think
[05:38] <mcgregor> greg_g:sunday i open my computer and my kubuntu work very hard
[05:38] <soulrider> i installed ubuntu in his machien in under 10 minutes
[05:38] <tux> brb
[05:38] <vajk> mplayer plays video to slow , could be this a codec problem ?
[05:38] <Bloodytux> back
[05:39] <soulrider> is anyone here using Conky on KDE ? im using the smae script i used in GNOME, it worked fine, but in KDE it shows in a black square
[05:39] <fdoving> soulrider: i'm waiting for one of those, excited to install kubuntu on it :)
[05:39] <Bloodytux> does anyone know if beryl runs on a ati 3d rage pro?
[05:39] <soulrider> fdoving: im gonna try and persuade him to give that computer to me :P its just SO fast!
[05:40] <soulrider> and i will give it better use than he will
[05:41] <Bloodytux> ughhhh wine needs to support game maker...
[05:41] <Bloodytux> or byond
[05:42] <Bloodytux> is anyone here???
[05:42] <soulrider> maybe theres a fix Bloodytux
[05:42] <soulrider> did you check winehq ?
[05:42] <Bloodytux> yea
[05:42] <sivaji> is there any why to replace dapper by fiesty
[05:42] <sivaji> is there any way to replace dapper by fiesty
[05:42] <Bloodytux> i checked the guild for linux on the byond site, winehq and various others
[05:42] <Daisuke-Ido> what's the tool people are using to install binary drivers?
[05:43] <Daisuke-Ido> i've heard it mentioned here...
[05:43] <mcgregor> bloodytux:i have a problem with my KTorrent
[05:43] <Bloodytux> sivaji: no you have to upgrade to edgy first
[05:43] <soulrider> sivaji: you can upgrade to edgy and then to feisty, but feisty is still beta!
[05:43] <Daisuke-Ido> and i thought i'd go that way instead of using nvidia's installer
[05:43] <Bloodytux> whats the problem?
[05:44] <sivaji> is there any way to replace dapper by edgy
[05:44] <mcgregor> bloodytux:friday i forget to close my torrents
[05:44] <soulrider> Daisuke-Ido: envy
[05:44] <Bloodytux> mcgregor: so what happened?
[05:44] <soulrider> sivaji: upgrade to edgy then upgrade to feisty, but feisty is still beta!
[05:44] <tux> w00t  nice feature in linuuux
[05:44] <tux> linux
[05:44] <Daisuke-Ido> ah HA!
[05:44] <Daisuke-Ido> that's the one
[05:44] <tux> i kill a process and its using MORE memory
[05:44] <sivaji> is there any way to replace dapper by edgy
[05:44] <mcgregor> bloodytux:when i open my computer the kubuntu work very hard
[05:44] <bfreexxx> hi, i have fresh kubuntu installation.  When i try to filebrowse in konqueror, it opens (or attempts) everything in vlc
[05:44] <soulrider> tux: RAM isnt used like in windows
[05:44] <Daisuke-Ido> tux: it's using the memory as a faster replacement for disk caching
[05:45] <Daisuke-Ido> it's O. K.
[05:45] <mcgregor> bloodytux: i do that thinkwith kill all torrents
[05:45] <tux> well it's working to hard
[05:45] <Skrotffs> tux: Try to learn how memory usage works in linux before you whine about it ;)
[05:45] <soulrider> Skrotffs: dont be rude
[05:45] <tux> why is my laptop constantly working hard
[05:45] <mcgregor> bloodytux:that work but i want to open my KTorrent again
[05:45] <Daisuke-Ido> mcgregor: what is your native language?
[05:45] <tux> it should be easy to run
[05:45] <shawn34> if i already have berly istalled and running, and i install kubuntu-desktop, will berly run on the kde side when i log in?
[05:45] <Skrotffs> soulrider: Sorry
[05:45] <Daisuke-Ido> it's not english.
[05:46] <mcgregor> bloodytux:what i need to do
[05:46] <soulrider> shawn34: yes
[05:46] <shawn34> nice
[05:46] <soulrider> shawn34: it should
[05:46] <Bloodytux> sivaji: try opening it, deleting the torrents on the list, closeand restart the program
[05:46] <Daisuke-Ido> you have asked the same nonsensical question of several people now, and no one knows what you're talking about.
[05:46] <tux> oh and the power manager shows me the processor is using the full mhz
[05:46] <mcgregor> daisuke-ido:it's romanian
[05:46] <sivaji> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:46] <sivaji> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:46] <sivaji> is only available from another source
[05:46] <sivaji> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[05:46] <Daisuke-Ido> !ro
[05:46] <ubotu> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[05:47] <soulrider> tux: maybe you have some ecil process :P
[05:47] <Skrotffs> tux: The more memory (RAM) you use, the better. That way your computer won't have to swap between virtual memory (stored on the much slower hard drive) and your RAM which is many times faster. Also, try checking your memory with `free` rather than `top` for instance..
[05:47] <tux> Osama is taking over my PC
[05:47] <soulrider> open a console and type top, maybe somehting is eating all your cPU
[05:47] <sivaji> Bloodytux : i cant get u
[05:47] <Bloodytux> huh?
[05:48] <bfreexxx> i am trying to find why konqueror wont open folders-- it always starts vlc
[05:48] <soulrider> tux: that more ram is being used doesnt mean it will be slower, if you go to kinfocenter, you can see how it is being used
[05:48] <tux> 2.1 gb free memory Skrotffs
[05:48] <jhutchins> If the power manager is _running_ the CPU at full speed, that's not an indication that anything is USING 100% of the processor.
[05:48] <Bloodytux> tux: how much is swap?
[05:49] <bfreexxx> i loaded view profile "file manager"
[05:49] <sivaji> whether this process id are random no or fixed
[05:49] <tux> if i remember well i made a 5GB swap partition Bloodytux
[05:49] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, need to install wine
[05:50] <bfreexxx> under konqueror's 'settings' i load view profile "kubuntu file manager" but it just tries to open everything with vlc
[05:50] <soulrider> tux: thats a lot, how much ram do you have?
[05:50] <Skrotffs> tux: Run 'free' from a console and check what it says under free and -/+ buffers/cache
[05:50] <soulrider> tux: its not bad that its a lot, its just it wont really be used
[05:50] <Bloodytux> tux: usually it's unsafe to have over 1-2 gbs of swap
[05:50] <jhutchins> sivaji: PID's are sequential.  Lots of processes come and go.
[05:51] <tux> Mem:       2074512     535928    1538584          0      16156     357776
[05:51] <Skrotffs> Seems like you have lots of free memory
[05:51] <tux> got to go
[05:51] <tux> see you
[05:51] <Bloodytux> ciao
[05:51] <Daisuke_Ido> !envy
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about envy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> !info envy
[05:52] <ubotu> Package envy does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:52] <bfreexxx> this a fresh installation, i can't see why konqueror is being so retarded, i don't think i changed any settings regarding this
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> bah
[05:52] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: lol
[05:52] <soulrider> need help installing the drivers ?
[05:52] <Bloodytux> what do you need drivers for?
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> no, i usually just do it from the file straight from nvidia's site
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> but if there's an easier way, i'd love to give it a shot
[05:52] <Bloodytux> graphics card?
[05:53] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: what i do is install nvidia-glx and then edit xorg
[05:53] <soulrider> its very easy actually
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> manually reinstalling to recompile the kernel module every time a kernel update comes down the pipe is ridiculous
[05:53] <Bloodytux> does anyone know if i can run beryl with a ati 3d rage pro?
[05:53] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: you dont ahve to do that
[05:53] <soulrider> it will downlaod allt he modules and stuff
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: never has for me
[05:53] <soulrider> so you install it once and dont touch it again
[05:54] <Daisuke_Ido> always says it can't find the appropriate kernel module
[05:54] <bfreexxx> 3drage lol
[05:54] <Bloodytux> 8 year old pc....
[05:54] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: what card do you ahve? =/
[05:54] <Lunar_Lamp> How can I get firefox to subscribe to rss feeds in akregator?
[05:54] <sivaji> !edgy
[05:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[05:54] <soulrider> mayeb you need legacy drivers? =/
[05:54] <Bloodytux> had to rescue it from windows cause it was eating it up
[05:54] <Daisuke_Ido> for a 7600?
[05:54] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[05:54] <soulrider> lol, yeah, definately not
[05:54] <Bloodytux> !fiesty
[05:54] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[05:54] <OlliK> Hi! Can anyone help me with a small problem in kmyfirewall?
[05:55] <OlliK> I'm trying to open a certain port for incoming connections, but I haven't found any ways to do that. I only see list of pre-defined ports that I can open but I don't see option where I could type in a port number to open
[05:55] <sebbar> hi, is it true that edgy users will automatically be asked if they want to upgrade to feisty once it's out?
[05:55] <Daisuke_Ido> and the painful thing is that the driver version in the repo is 8776
[05:55] <Hobbsee> sebbar: yes
[05:55] <mikey> question about bootloaders..any takers?
[05:55] <Bloodytux> mikey: what's up?
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: because of the Great HDD Crash of 2007, i'm back on edgy :\
[05:56] <mikey> installed debian on a spare ide hd.  It has taken over the boot process.  I would prefer this install of Kubuntu to be default.  It exists on a dif. hd than debian
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> going to have to do it the usual way
[05:56] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: what were you using ?
[05:56] <Bloodytux> the Great HDD Crash of 2007... never heard of it...
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> feisty
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> Bloodytux: my hdd crashed this morning
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[05:57] <Bloodytux> ouch
[05:57] <Bloodytux> so what are you running off?
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> just the system drive, which was fairly old
[05:57] <Bloodytux> lol
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> i dropped in an old 30gb seagate :)
[05:57] <bfreexxx> konqueror hates me...  i'm not a linux-noob, but this is my first kubuntu installation
[05:57] <BluesKaj> really Daisuke_Ido , mine doesn't crash on feisty , but it won't shutdown when commanded :)
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm already reinstalled, and everything's smooth, just getting everything back to the way i demand it
[05:58] <soulrider> bfreexxx: dont get discouraged, linux is awesome! remember, we were all newbies once!
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: no, feisty didn't crash
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> the drive head crashed
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> it had nothing to do with my OS.
[05:58] <BluesKaj> eeeuuuw Daisuke_Ido :(
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah.
[05:58] <Bloodytux> mikey: if you re-install kubuntu on the hardrive when the debian drive is in with it. it should set up grub to allow you to boot both
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> but it's okay
[05:58] <Schuenemann> !pastebin
[05:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:59] <mikey> bloodytux: thx. any way to do it without a fresh install?
[05:59] <Bloodytux> mikey: just reinstall grub to MBR on either debian or kubuntu when they are both in the pc
[05:59] <BluesKaj> I just assumed Feisty was the culprit , since there seem to be some crashes associated with the new kernel as well
[06:00] <bfreexxx> soul:  i need to get konqueror to file browse, not attempt to open every folder i click on in vlc
[06:00] <Bloodytux> vlc? isn't that a media player?
[06:00] <bfreexxx> yes
[06:00] <mikey> how do I re-install grub?
[06:00] <Bloodytux> ... try editing the default applications for opening certain file types
[06:00] <Bloodytux> mikey: i have no clue
[06:01] <mikey> hehe
[06:01] <bfreexxx> file type for a folder?
[06:01] <Bloodytux> mikey: i used to use mepis and it had a option to so idk
[06:01] <Bloodytux> sometimes it messes up
[06:01] <mikey> well then I like your previous suggestion :\
[06:01] <Bloodytux> :)
[06:02] <soulrider> BluesKaj: its said, it seems like feisty is having some last minute issues
[06:02] <mikey> now that I know a small bit about linux, I think I'll figure out my partitions and set things up proper on all ide's
[06:02] <Bloodytux> bfreexxx: you could try uninstalling vlc and install something else
[06:02] <Bloodytux> mikey: good luck
[06:02] <BluesKaj> soulrider, I'm on feisty and the new kernel and all seems well so far ...(knocks on wood)
[06:02] <sebbar> do you think feisty+1 will have kde4.0?
[06:02] <mikey> ty
[06:03] <sivaji> if i upgrade from dapper to edgy packages will be replaced or added
[06:03] <soulrider> bfreexxx: i think that you may be able to reconfigure konqueror or something, hold on
[06:03] <bfreexxx> mikey: reinstall grub:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[06:03] <bfreexxx> just make sure harddrive is mounted
[06:03] <soulrider> lol BluesKaj
[06:03] <Skrotffs> sebbar: I think feisty+1 is a LTS-version, so I doubt it, as KDE 4 will be bleeding edge at that time
[06:03] <mikey> bfreexxx: thanks
[06:03] <Bloodytux> sebbar: maybe if it comes out in time.
[06:03] <Skrotffs> sebbar: But you'll probably be able to install it via apt when its out
[06:04] <sebbar> ok cool tnx
[06:04] <BluesKaj> aren't the KDE4 devs looking for ginea pigs to run it ?
[06:04] <Skrotffs> Not quite yet
[06:04] <Bloodytux> yea
[06:04] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: not really yet
[06:04] <Bloodytux> i thought they were
[06:04] <Skrotffs> Wait for june-august
[06:04] <Bloodytux> i'm thinking of 3.8 sorry
[06:05] <Tm_T> Bloodytux: if you don't know how to test libs, then no ;)
[06:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:05] <Skrotffs> Sure, they want developers to test it, but its not ready for end users yet
[06:05] <bfreexxx> i solved my problem i believe
[06:05] <Tm_T> test libs as using them in your apps
[06:05] <jpierre> bonjour
[06:05] <soulrider> bfreexxx: i dont know if this is a good idea, but it might fix your problem, i would use it as a last resort... but it might be possible to purge konqueror and reinstall it
[06:05] <Tm_T> !fi | OlliK
[06:05] <ubotu> OlliK: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[06:06] <Bloodytux> has anyone tried kde 3.8 with kubuntu yet?
[06:06] <Tm_T> Bloodytux: sure, and newer stuff
[06:06] <felzix> bloodytux: if it comes with feisty, I'm currently using it
[06:06] <Tm_T> Bloodytux: I have been fooling around with KDE4 over a year now I think :p
[06:06] <Bloodytux> so is 3.8 stable enough for a complete install?
[06:07] <Bloodytux> over 3.5
[06:07] <Tm_T> Bloodytux: no for users
[06:07] <Tm_T> Bloodytux: and won't be until release
[06:07] <Cosmo_> so what are the big differences in KDE4?
[06:07] <Bloodytux> ****
[06:07] <soulrider> bfreexxx: try this: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure konqueror'
[06:07] <Tm_T> Cosmo_: new crashes atleast ;)
[06:07] <Tm_T> !kde4 | Cosmo_
[06:07] <ubotu> Cosmo_: For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[06:07] <bfreexxx> yes i did... i right clicked on a folder in konqueror, clicked 'open with', selected konqueror, and had to edit the command to use the filemanager profile isntead of webbrowser profile
[06:07] <soulrider> im runniong kde 3.5.6
[06:08] <sivaji> soulrider: what that command will do
[06:08] <julianito> ubuntu_fr please
[06:08] <Skrotffs> Cosmo_: Mostly new cool libs and a newer, much improved version of Qt.
[06:08] <Ace2016> hi all
[06:08] <soulrider> i think i heard something about it being released on octiber this year or somehting
[06:08] <Bloodytux> !kde 3.8
[06:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde 3.8 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:08] <Tm_T> soulrider: yes
[06:08] <Ace2016> anyone been to digg today? ;D
[06:08] <Ace2016> http://digg.com/microsoft/Need_a_Windows_XP_key_Google_can_help
[06:08] <julianito> how to go to ubuntu.fr
[06:08] <compilerwriter> !fr | julianito
[06:08] <ubotu> julianito: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:08] <julianito> thanks
[06:09] <soulrider> sivaji: reconfigure konqueror, but its for bfreexxx not for you
[06:09] <Tm_T> julianito: /join #ubuntu-fr
[06:09] <Tm_T> :)
[06:09] <Tm_T> Ace2016: I wonder how that has to do with channel topic
[06:09] <Bloodytux> !mepis
[06:09] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[06:10] <sivaji> what is bfreexxx
[06:10] <sivaji> ! bfreexxx
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bfreexxx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <Bloodytux> thats a guy on this irc channel....
[06:11] <bfreexxx> lol
[06:11] <Bloodytux> !Windows
[06:11] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:11] <Bloodytux> hahahaha i love that
[06:12] <Ace2016> Tm_T: want to try linux? don't have an xp cd to go back with? get the disk off a torrent, say what? u have no key? well gogle can help :D thus its very well suited to the topic
[06:12] <Schuenemann> !doesn't work
[06:12] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[06:12] <Schuenemann> this one is better
[06:12] <Tm_T> Ace2016: it's not
[06:12] <BluesKaj> KDE 4 Release schedule : http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule#KDE_4.0
[06:12] <syke> hi
[06:12] <bfreexxx> !tremulous
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tremulous - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <Ace2016> well at least i now have a working key i can use
[06:13] <Bloodytux> dude that's illegal
[06:13] <Bloodytux> !ubotu
[06:13] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:13] <Bloodytux> !illegal
[06:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about illegal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <sivaji> is there any command to halt system after sometimes
[06:13] <syke> has anyone else using wifi with WPA noticed that while it mostly works, iwconfig reports Tx invalid crypt packets?
[06:13] <Ace2016> lol
[06:13] <Tm_T> sivaji: shutdown
[06:13] <Schuenemann> my university gives me windows for free
[06:13] <felzix> is it illegal to get a keygen and use it if windows decides to lock you out of your system because you switched harddrives between two computers?
[06:13] <bfreexxx> !stallman
[06:13] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[06:14] <Schuenemann> academic license
[06:14] <Ace2016> Bloodytux: just saying, i don't even have windows installed
[06:14] <felzix> (yeah, I know that it probably is)
[06:14] <Schuenemann> msdnAA = MS developer network academic alliance
[06:14] <Bloodytux> Ace2016: good
[06:14] <Bloodytux> !Windows | Ace2016
[06:14] <ubotu> Ace2016: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:14] <bfreexxx> even maids have their pride
[06:14] <soulrider> ohmy, wat happened to freenode ?
[06:14] <Tm_T> hey, kids, cut that windows talk and get back to business, ok?
[06:14] <soulrider> i couldnt connect at all
[06:14] <Tm_T> sivaji: nothing
[06:14] <Tm_T> soulrider:
[06:14] <vinces1979> ALL:Why is windows being discussed ( YUK)
[06:14] <Schuenemann> so I have windows 2000, xp, vista, sql server, visual studio and other crappy microsoft stuff
[06:14] <Ace2016> Bloodytux: good idea, they'd want some keys
[06:15] <soulrider> who cares about crappy windows, we got linux
[06:15] <vinces1979> excatly
[06:15] <Schuenemann> yeah
[06:15] <Schuenemann> hehe
[06:15] <sivaji> what nothing
[06:15] <Bloodytux> felzix: keygens are illegal. if you lost your key you have to buy another key or it is considered illegal
[06:15] <Bloodytux> just saying
[06:15] <sivaji> TM_T:what nothing
[06:15] <Tm_T> krhm
[06:15] <Schuenemann> but some people say linux is good only because it's free (in money)
[06:15] <Tm_T> sivaji: sorry, my bad ;(
[06:15] <Schuenemann> I have windows for free and I don't use it
[06:15] <felzix> Ah.  Probably best that they were all viruses, then.
[06:15] <soulrider> Schuenemann: no way
[06:16] <soulrider> Schuenemann: i never payed for windows and what do you see me using?
[06:16] <Bloodytux> felzix: you need to know where to look for them
[06:16] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[06:16] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:16] <Bloodytux> :)
[06:16] <felzix> lol
[06:16] <Ace2016> i thinks windows needs a better user base, some people don't understand the concept of a cd key
[06:16] <Schuenemann> soulrider, I know... that's what I say: the university gives it for free (not pirate) and still I don't want it
[06:16] <Tm_T> Ace2016: warn you, continue offtopic here and you'll be out
[06:17] <vinces1979> please
[06:17] <Bloodytux> vista got smart because now they actually register the keys so you can't use them twice!!!!
[06:17] <Ace2016> oh ok no more offtopic stuff
[06:17] <Bloodytux> k
[06:17] <Tm_T> thanks :)
[06:17] <bfreexxx> this is my friend's machine, he upped to vista a couple months ago, now i've made it dual-boot with kubuntu
[06:17] <soulrider> lets go to offtopic and bash there :P
[06:17] <bfreexxx> so he can compare
[06:17] <bfreexxx> and vista is definitely slow doing some things
[06:17] <Bloodytux> #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:18] <bfreexxx> so i get to do linux support for him so he doesn't go 'this sux, i'm deleting it.'
[06:18] <bfreexxx> but its better than doing windows support  XD
[06:19] <Bloodytux> my friend said it sucks and deleted ubuntu because he didn't know how to change his password....
[06:19] <Bloodytux> hes a noob
[06:19] <bfreexxx> my mom's smarter than yer friend
[06:19] <Bloodytux> lol
[06:19] <soulrider> LOL
[06:19] <Bloodytux> probably
[06:19] <bfreexxx> she can start linux and web-surf-- wowzor
[06:19] <soulrider> my mom actually looked for and opened Opera by herself on my linux machine, and my panel placement is not like default KDE
[06:20] <Bloodytux> my friend can delete it and go get a copy of XP pro for $100 oh beat dat
[06:20] <bfreexxx> so where do i go for good kde skinning ideas?
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Bloodytux: that's a case of the typical windows user mentality - unwilling to learn something even remotely different
[06:20] <soulrider> $100 is a lot of beer and pizza
[06:20] <Tm_T> bfreexxx: kde-look.org
[06:20] <bfreexxx> ty
[06:20] <Schuenemann> Bloodytux, only $100 ?
[06:20] <Tm_T> you're still talking about xp, aren't you?
[06:20] <soulrider> Bloodytux: let me say your friend is a moron
[06:20] <Bloodytux> and a lot of kubuntu installations... oh wait you can have millions for free!!!!
[06:21] <soulrider> guys, lets talk in offtopic
[06:21] <Bloodytux> soulrider: i agree
[06:21] <Tm_T> ;)
[06:21] <jame> hey
[06:21] <soulrider> or ops are gonna go berserk :P
[06:21] <soulrider> hi jame
[06:21] <Tm_T> jame: hello
[06:21] <Schuenemann> !pastebin
[06:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:21] <Bloodytux> #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:21] <Tm_T> problem is, all support talk disappear to this noise
[06:21] <jame> Im trying to setup Samba network with virtually ran XP
[06:22] <jame> what determines username and password to get access
[06:22] <Tm_T> !samba | jame
[06:22] <ubotu> jame: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:23] <jame> followed nice HOWTO on ubuntu forums
[06:23] <Tm_T> jame: look those, might give new hints
[06:28] <jame> thanks for links
[06:29] <Schuenemann> !pastebin
[06:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:30] <Tm_T> jame: works?
[06:32] <yonkeltron> where can i request packages?
[06:32] <LjL> !packaging
[06:32] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[06:32] <LjL> !backports
[06:32] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[06:35] <xanith> Is there a good walkthrough for making a Dual-Boot for Kubuntu and WinXP
[06:35] <Bloodytux> !dual
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <Tm_T> !grub
[06:36] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:36] <Skrotffs> xanith: 1) Install windows xp, 2) Install ubuntu which will autodetect windows and put in grub (the boot loader)
[06:36] <LjL> !dualboot
[06:36] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[06:36] <Tm_T> LjL: =)
[06:37] <xanith> Thanks everyone
[06:41] <jame> Tm_T
[06:41] <ScarFreewill> is there any rsync mirrors for apt?
[06:41] <jame> not yet - even if I set ( atleast I think I do) it to allow guests (w/o password)
[06:43] <Lynoure> ScarFreewill: you mean repositories you can rsync from?
[06:43] <ScarFreewill> Lynoure: ye
[06:45] <Lynoure> ScarFreewill: see http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror
[06:45] <ScarFreewill> ta Lynoure
[06:46] <syke> has anyone else using wifi with WPA noticed that while it mostly works, iwconfig reports Tx invalid crypt packets?
[06:46] <christian_> hola
[06:46] <syke> when using skype, I get 'skipping' sometimes and I think it may be related
[06:47] <davids> Trying to get m
[06:47] <davids> eless networks (Open)
[06:47] <davids>  posted 1 hours ago by  Rastloser in Source Package "knetworkmanager" in Ubuntu (Normal)
[06:47] <davids> 
[06:47] <davids>   can totem load external subtitles ? (Open)
[06:47] <davids>  posted 3 hours ago by  Mihai Niculescu in Source Package "totem" in Ubuntu (Normal)
[06:47] <soulrider> hola christian_
[06:47] <davids> 
[06:47] <davids>   uderstanding unknown i.p.visitors (Open)
[06:47] <davids>  posted 3 hours ago by  alan in AWStats (Normal)
[06:47] <davids> 
[06:47] <Ace2016> hi all
[06:47] <davids>   Problem ubuntu spreading in the third world due to offline internet connection (Open)
[06:47] <davids>  posted 4 hours ago by  Support educational through ubuntu in Ubuntu (Normal)
[06:47] <davids> Latest questions solved
[06:47] <davids> 
[06:47] <davids>   Creating bzr branch from scratch (Solved)
[06:48] <davids>  posted 6 hours ago by  LCID Fire, answered by  LCID Fire in Source Package "bazaar" in Ubuntu (N
[06:48] <Ace2016> how do you shutdown ubuntu from the command line?
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> !paste | davids
[06:48] <ubotu> davids: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:48] <Tm_T> davids: err
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Ace2016: sudo shutdown
[06:48] <soulrider> Ace2016: shutdown :P
[06:48] <soulrider> davids: where was that 3rd world post at ?
[06:49] <davids> Just loaded the beta version and trying to get my broadcom wireless working. I currently have it enabled, but it is not connecting to the router? Any Ideas?
[06:49] <davids> sorry, hit wrong keys
[06:49] <Ace2016> shutdown never works
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Ace2016: sudo shutdown no
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> err
[06:49] <Ace2016> it says to try shutdown --help
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Ace2016: sudo shutdown now
[06:49] <soulrider> davids: where was that 3rd world discussion posted at ?
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> depends on what you mean by 'never works' also.
[06:50] <davids> Not sure, was all over the net trying to get my wireless working
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm guessing it worked :\
[06:50] <Tm_T> !feisty | davids
[06:50] <ubotu> davids: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[06:50] <bobstro> Ace2016: I do "sudo shutdown -h now" but tell us what you see
[06:50] <davids> figure out how
[06:51] <davids> I am on beta now
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> davids,  me also. :)
[06:51] <davids> but cant get wireless working
[06:51] <schizm> im on 6.10 and when I try to use KDE as a session I get "Xsession: unsupported arguments passed" and it bails to Gnome.  Nothing really out there on google on it and I'm not familiar enough with ubuntu's setup to debug it nicely.  I'm upgrading to 7.04 beta right now so we'll see how that goes and if it still exists
[06:52] <bobstro> i guess shutdown worked. :)
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> I dont mess with wireless any more. so cant help ya there.
[06:52] <davids> damn
[06:52] <davids> :D
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> schizm,  try just using the console and 'startx' and see if any error messages show up.
[06:52] <schizm> i did, nothing
[06:52] <schizm> its only from GDM that it happens
[06:52] <Tm_T> schizm: and how KDM reacts?
[06:53] <Ace2016> Thanks it worked
[06:53] <schizm> I poked around at /etc/X11/Xsession but didnt see anything out of the ordinary, this is a vanilla 6.10 install (or so i think)
[06:53] <Tm_T> Ace2016: =)
[06:53] <schizm> haven't tried KDM, good point
[06:53] <bobstro> Ace2016: you did seem to go away.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> i find that if using KDE - you are better off using KDM.
[06:53] <schizm> thanks
[06:53] <schizm> aye
[06:53] <bfreexxx> schizm, u tried to start kde with gdm?  lol
[06:54] <bfreexxx> gdm=GnomeDesktopManager
[06:54] <schizm> shouldnt matter
[06:54] <Tm_T> bfreexxx: why not, should work just fine
[06:54] <jhutchins> bfreexxx: Which works fine to start KDE.
[06:54] <bobstro> i launch kde all the time with gdm
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> ive never had any issues with using KDE from GDM, or gnome from KDM. the only thing ive noticed is that some of the extra 'login/logout/change user' features may not work properly if mixxing the 2
[06:54] <schizm> any init loader should be able to handle spawning any sort of desktop
[06:55] <schizm> im just using what Kubuntu installed by default, which seems to be GDM
[06:55] <bobstro> that is sort of the point of the feature, no?
[06:55] <Tm_T> schizm: nope, KDM is Kubuntu default
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> schizm,  Kubuntu did not install gdm. :)
[06:55] <bobstro> schizm: for wht it's worth, i do have both installed.
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> if you installed ubuntu-desktop it may of set up to use gdm instead.
[06:55] <jhutchins> Yeah, it doesn't bother to duplicate the function.
[06:56] <schizm> default install of ubuntu, then upgraded to kubuntu, then 6.10 beta...and it seems to run GDM
[06:56] <jhutchins> bfreexxx: FYI there's also xdm, which is generic X.
[06:56] <Tm_T> jhutchins: yup, XDM is nice and light one :)
[06:56] <jhutchins> schizm: Right, it already has GDM from Gnome, and it doesn't bother to replace it.
[06:56] <bobstro> schizm: it'd probably be worth trying kdm to make sure that works, then debugging gdm issues you're having.
[06:57] <schizm> aye, ill do that after the upgrade.  im upgrading to 7.04 the manual command line way since I can't get into KDE, will I need to do anything special afterwards to ensure that it's 7.04 Kubuntu?  I assume so
[06:57] <Arwen> is there a tool I can use to record my screen?
[06:57] <Ace2016> Arwen: xvidcap
[06:58] <Arwen> Ace2016, where?
[06:58] <Ace2016> Arwen: or beryl-vidcap
[06:58] <Arwen> where?
[06:58] <Arwen> eh?
[06:58] <chijin> where what?
[06:58] <Arwen> if you're too lazy to provide a link to packages NOT IN THE REPOSITORY, don't bother answering..
[06:58] <Ace2016> Arwen: you can install it from the repos if its there or you can get it from their website, it has a deb
[06:59] <jhutchins> Arwen: Unable to reach google are you?
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> aparently googling is too hard...
[06:59] <jhutchins> !find xvidcap
[06:59] <Arwen> jhutchins, I asked a question... if I wanted to find it myself, I wouldn't be here
[06:59] <ubotu> Package/file xvidcap does not exist in edgy
[06:59] <schizm> the other issue is that I can't go into the system->admin->login screen setup...just dies as gconf bails....
[06:59] <schizm> sigh
[06:59] <schizm> my installation is botched up somehow i think
[06:59] <jhutchins> !find beryl-vidcap
[06:59] <ubotu> Package/file beryl-vidcap does not exist in edgy
[07:00] <jhutchins> Be nice if the bot did google, but then that's how it would spend all it's time.
[07:00] <jhutchins> Arwen: Do you have the URL for every non-standard package you know of?
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  who needs google when you got us chained to the desks..
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:00] <Arwen> jhutchins, no, but I'm decent enough of a person to link to them when people ask me about them...
[07:01] <Ace2016> Arwen: you can get it from Trevios Ubuntu Repository
[07:01] <jhutchins> I think the name of a package, even without it's URL, is a useful bit of info.  Sometimes just suggesting a different way to ask a question solves a problem.
[07:01] <jame>  already
[07:01] <jame> s*ck - I give up - Ill use DC to move stuff - atleast I can do that
[07:01] <Arwen> Ace2016, which doesn't have a feisty edition? and is svn no less?
[07:02] <Ace2016> Arwen: i run feisty too, i got the deb from xvidcap's sourceforge site and it worked
[07:02] <Arwen> and that site is where?
[07:02] <Arwen> sighs*
[07:03] <bfreexxx> transcode is moving towards using vnc protocol to capture desktop activity...  http://community.ofset.org/wiki/Desktop_video_capture
[07:04] <Ace2016> Arwen: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535&package_id=83441
[07:04] <bfreexxx> there was some stuff on transcode developer maillist about it recently
[07:04] <Arwen> Ace2016, much better... will it record uncompressed video?
[07:05] <Ace2016> Arwen: well you can pick the format, size and fps and stuff in the settings
[07:05] <Arwen> ok...
[07:06] <bobstro> i'm looking for a good cross-platform (winxp, linux) password manager. any recommendations?
[07:06] <Ace2016> Dr_Willis: why are you sighing?
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> i got to go to work...
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> and its finially getting nice weather.
[07:06] <Arwen> Ace2016, um, how can I record my entire desktop?
[07:06] <Arwen> bobstro, keepassx
[07:07] <bobstro> Arwen: thanks
[07:08] <Ace2016> Arwen: select the entire desktop?
[07:08] <Arwen> Ace2016, um, when I try that, it just crashes?
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> Development Status : 4 - Beta
[07:09] <KingJere> How does KDE decide the placement of new windows? i.e. I use a dual head setup and would like new windows to avoid the center where the two screens meet
[07:09] <Ace2016> Arwen: run it in konsole, might be missing something
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  what video cards ya got?
[07:09] <Arwen> Ace2016, says something like "bad color, X Window Error"
[07:09] <KingJere> FX 5200 PCI
[07:09] <Ace2016> strange, never seen that
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  nvidia - you proberly want to enable twinview and xinerama - that should fix mist of the 'showing up in the center of the monitors/edges' issue
[07:10] <KingJere> isn't twin view and xinerama two different things
[07:10] <Ace2016> KingJere: #kde might know more
[07:11] <KingJere> I'm using twin view now. and good idea ace.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  nope. they sort of work togeher for the best effect. Twinview I think sort of can 'replace' xinerama. but i found they work best when used together.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> some programs are Still badly written and will still do that "on the edges" opening..
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> even with twinview/xinerama
[07:12] <Arwen> Ace2016, never mind, I just specified my geometry from the command line
[07:12] <Arwen> Ace2016, lol... 2 fps capture rate..
[07:12] <KingJere> Thanks, Ill  check out xorg.conf
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  theeres a lot of twinview docs out, and the nvidia official docs are worth reading also. thers a lot of good info and tweaks that can be done with it.
[07:13] <Ace2016> lol
[07:14] <KingJere> I've acutally read that. It was very thourough. There was a time when that was the only way to do twin view
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> i found some very good examples on the gentoo forums/wiki pages
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> Nvidia/twinview/xinerama has matured greately in the last year or so,
[07:15] <KingJere> I also might just blame it on poorly written software because most windows open very intelligently.
[07:15] <KingJere> Its just a few dialogues and such
[07:16] <KingJere> Thanks again, bye.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  i know that vmware has an issue like that.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  and some java apps do also.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> but those are the only 2 programs that ive noticed the  problems with
[07:17] <stevethepirate> hello
[07:17] <Ace2016> hi
[07:17] <stevethepirate> how would i see an external harddrive?
[07:17] <Schuenemann> !nvidia
[07:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:17] <Schuenemann> come on
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> Schuenemann, ?
[07:18] <stevethepirate> Schuenemann: rather just get the .run off nvidia.com
[07:18] <smile> hi .. when i open any application i get this message (can't find MIME type application/octet-stream )
[07:18] <Schuenemann> where's the bot?
[07:18] <smile> anyhelp plz ?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> Ive heard of some issues with using the latest  nvidia drivers and their .run installer.
[07:18] <stevethepirate> someone1!!! external drive!! howto?
[07:18] <Schuenemann> there he is
[07:18] <stevethepirate> Dr_Willis: works for me..
[07:18] <Schuenemann> Dr_Willis, I used apt-get
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> stevethepirate,  look in media:/ ? or mount them manually. what kind of drive is it. what filesystem..
[07:19] <stevethepirate> Don't
[07:19] <Ace2016> smile: thats a kde problem, caused by messing with filetypes and icons, #kde might be able to help more
[07:19] <stevethepirate> Dr_Willis: its a ntfs
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> stevethepirate,  then you proberly want to check the !ntfs factoid/forum/wiki page/info and mount them manually
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> !ntfs
[07:19] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. i gotta get my old url listings some time.. had a few nice links to that exact info at one time.
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> work time for me. bye
[07:21] <Schuenemann> stevethepirate, that .run is for new cards only?
[07:21] <bobstro> i'm after a good "virtual kvm" that will let me access my 2nd machine's console (GUI), keyboard and mouse (and maybe audio) remotely. rather than a "remote session" like vnc, i would like access to the actual console. any recommendations?
[07:22] <bobstro> (both machines a ubuntu/debian)
[07:22] <ranjan> bobstro: search for synergy
[07:23] <bobstro> ranjan: that's what got me started, thanks. but i understand it still requires two displays, only sharing kb & mouse, no?
[07:24] <ranjan> bobstro: yes
[07:24] <ranjan> bobstro: what about okvm?
[07:27] <bobstro> ranjan: hmm. looks like it requires a pci card. promising, but a bit more than i need right now. thanks though! i was thinking along the lines of some of the "dual head" solutions that use two systems, but i can't seem to find anything.
[07:28] <ScarFreewill> rsync://mir1.ovh.net/ubuntu/ does not work
[07:28] <ranjan> bobstro: thats still a limitation with software KVMs as far as i know
[07:28] <bobstro> ranjan: ok, thanks again. i'll play around more with a vnc-type solution.
[07:31] <stevethepirate> why in god's name would i be getting 1meg a second copying to external drive?
[07:31] <stevethepirate> Schuenemann: no..
[07:32] <Schuenemann> stevethepirate, I won't need it anymore
[07:33] <bfreexxx> stevethepirate, do an hdparm on the drive?
[07:35] <schizm> stefan__:  USB 1.0?
[07:38] <stevethepirate> bfreexxx: fixed it.
[07:38] <stevethepirate> had to use ntfs-3g
[07:38] <stevethepirate> um
[07:39] <Schuenemann> earlier version means newer or older?
[07:39] <Daisuke_Ido> older
[07:44] <stevethepirate> whats that good wireless cracking app?
[07:44] <aegis> aircrack-ng
[07:44] <aegis> only works for WEP thoguh
[07:44] <stevethepirate> i'm looking for a WPA one...
[07:44] <aegis> well, I think it brute-forces WPA
[07:46] <stevethepirate> i'm hoping to a GUI one..
[07:46] <stevethepirate> a n00b has to use it..
[07:46] <squidy> hi guys.. i have a little question.. if a new feature is applied in ubuntu, like codec management in Feisty Fawn, this same feature is applied in kubuntu too? Is it always?
[07:48] <intelikey> initramfs relies too heavily on bios information.
[07:53] <Ayabara> anyone know of a good and simple app to write iptc captions to photos?
[07:54] <bfreexxx> anyone understand the kmenu hierarchy and .desktop files?
[07:54] <bfreexxx> i installed wine and it installed some .desktop files, but they dont show up in any menus
[07:54] <bfreexxx> bfreexxx@DaShiZniT:~$ locate wine | grep desktop
[07:54] <bfreexxx> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/wine.desktop
[07:54] <bfreexxx> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/wineconfig.desktop
[07:54] <bfreexxx> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/winefish.desktop
[07:54] <bfreexxx> /usr/share/applications/kde/wineconfig.desktop
[07:55] <bfreexxx> /usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/System/wine.desktop
[07:57] <bfreexxx> i am trying kappfinder but it is not locating anything wine
[07:59] <jtt> k
[07:59] <jhutchins> bfreexxx: Why would desktop files show up in your menu?  They would show up on your desktop if anywhere.
[07:59] <intelikey> hmmm i figured that .desktop files were supposed to be,  ummm  desktop files !      not menu files
[08:00] <jhutchins> !paste | bfreexxx
[08:00] <ubotu> bfreexxx: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:00] <mikey> can't remember the name of the windows utility that you guys recommended to assign my linux share a drive letter in windows.  The utility suggested allowed read/write access too
[08:01] <intelikey> !smb
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:01] <intelikey> !samba
[08:01] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:03] <bfreexxx> jhutchins, no, a file with .desktop extension is a meta-file for menu items
[08:03] <jhutchins> bfreexxx: According to what?
[08:03] <peepsalot> Anyone here using tomboy in KDE?
[08:03] <jhutchins> !info tomboy
[08:03] <ubotu> tomboy: desktop note taking program using Wiki style links. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 413 kB, installed size 2416 kB
[08:04] <mikey> not samba.  I've got two internal ide's in my pc.  When booted in windows, I launched a small utility that recognized my lunix partition and allowed me to assign a free drive letter to it.  Now, everytime I boot into windows, I see my linux partition
[08:04] <peepsalot> when i load tomboy, it makes a space in the system tray for it, but the icon is invisible.
[08:04] <peepsalot> it worked in Gnome
[08:04] <intelikey> e2fsexplorer.exe
[08:04] <mikey> works awesome, but I can'tremember the utility and I think I deleted it.
[08:04] <mikey> oh? maybe that's it.  Lemme have a look.  TY
[08:05] <bfreexxx> jhutchins, http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[08:05] <peepsalot> do others have this problem with tomboy, or is it just my messed up computer
[08:05] <intelikey> mikey there is another  explorer2fs.exe  or some such.   they are simular but different
[08:06] <mikey> ok. found one last night but it was not free...the one I used was :)
[08:06] <intelikey> mikey there is also a package to mount real file systems under windows,   but i've never used it.    i don't do windows any more.
[08:06] <peepsalot> so no one here uses tomboy?
[08:07] <mikey> ok ty
[08:07] <intelikey> peepsalot ! i
[08:08] <intelikey> imo grub is week and lame and not worth much.   why did they make it the default ?
[08:09] <bobstro> intelikey: what do you prefer?
[08:09] <intelikey> lilo
[08:09] <bobstro> intelikey: the prefer the interactive capabilities of grub.
[08:09] <bobstro> intelikey: er, *I* prefer
[08:10] <ranjan> peepsalot: basket over tonboy
[08:10] <intelikey> lilo is as interavtive if not more so
[08:10] <bobstro> intelikey: i got "locked out" of lilo a few too many times, and got tired of having to boot rescue cds.
[08:10] <mikey> hmm... Explore2fs is one but this one only allows read-only
[08:10] <bobstro> intelikey: maybe they've added to lilo.
[08:10] <bobstro> intelikey: don't you still have to make changes, then install the mbr with lilo?
[08:10] <jhutchins> Someone pointed out yesterday that with grub you can boot to kernels that aren't in the menu, and you can remove options from the kernel command line.
[08:11] <bobstro> jhutchins: yeah, i've used the interactive editing more than once recently.
[08:11] <jhutchins> lilo allows you to set the boot options for the next boot so you don't have to try to catch the boot menu, which I HATE havign to do.
[08:11] <peepsalot> !basket
[08:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about basket - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:12] <bobstro> my recollection with lilo was that if i *forgot* something, recovery required a rescue cd.
[08:12] <intelikey> jhutchins well let me point out that moving you hd to a different cable will leave grub helpless because the initramfs depends on info passed to it  and doing the same with lilo has no affect you can still boot.
[08:12] <ranjan> !info basket
[08:12] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[08:13] <peepsalot> i don't get it
[08:13] <bobstro> intelikey: i guess i fat-finger config files more than i toss drives around.
[08:13] <ranjan> http://basket.kde.org/
[08:13] <intelikey> bobstro heh.
[08:14] <jhutchins> intelikey: Unless you move the boot drive...
[08:14] <unmanarc> i have some problems with my Intel 945GM....
[08:14] <bobstro> intelikey: i installed to a usb drive recently using grub, and have been able to move that around.
[08:14] <unmanarc> on Feisty kubuntu 7.04 live cd...
[08:14] <bobstro> intelikey: (can't say it's thoroughly tested though)
[08:14] <intelikey> jhutchins no.   it can still boot ok.
[08:15] <bobstro> intelikey: er, it can boot lilo menu, but won't pointers to root partition etc. still require edits?
[08:15] <unmanarc> i want to start with vesa drivers, but it doesnt work...
[08:15] <darktears> Hello!!!!I need a generous help ;) I have installed feisty (but the problem is the same in eidgy) and i have a little problem with my sound card HDA_intel i try lot of things : changing configuration file like modprobe ... and install last release candidate of ALSA... my sound card do'nt work i hear a big noise or no sound (it's random)
[08:15] <bobstro> intelikey: i suspect a lot depends on whether using ide, sata or usb drives.
[08:16] <bobstro> darktears: stupid question, but is your user a member of the audio group?
[08:16] <darktears> bobstro: how can i verify this (i'm a little bit noob :p)
[08:16] <bobstro> darktears: your default user should be, but i've wasted a lot of time "fixing" that problem withmor than one user.
[08:17] <bobstro> darktears: if you only have the user account you created at install, that should work.
[08:17] <darktears> bobstro: one user on computer (main user)
[08:17] <bobstro> darktears: ok, use regular troubleshooting then. others can probably help more than i with that sound setup.
[08:18] <mikey> bobstro: thanks from another nOOb...maybe that's why my recent debian install has no sound ;\
[08:18] <darktears> bobstro: i try to post on ubuntu forum but no response (i know that the problem is know but i try lot of things lot of things lol)
[08:18] <bobstro> mikey: heh. i finally tried my default user and was surprised when it worked.
[08:18] <josep> alguien de espaa
[08:19] <bobstro> darktears: and again, stupid things. mixer volume is turned up?
[08:19] <intelikey> bobstro well my bigest gripe is that grub is week.    in the first place it can only boot things that bios can read.   unlike lilo.    in the second place one kernel + initramfs.img pair  will boot this system from any disk if lilo does it but not if grub does it.      and last of all i haven't found a way to reorder the drives with grub.
[08:19] <josep> alguien habla en espaol
[08:19] <darktears> bobstro: yes ;) it was the first thing i look
[08:20] <darktears> bobstro: i hear a big noise :( (no noise if i mute the sound)
[08:20] <bobstro> intelikey: i suppose it depends on the problems you expect to encounter most. again, i'm not moving hardware around so much these days as trying to keep what i've got moving along smoothly after upgrades and such.
[08:20] <bobstro> darktears: does it work when you boot the livecd?
[08:22] <Daisuke_Ido> mmmkay, so i've got everything more or less running again
[08:22] <darktears> bobstro: no same noise
[08:22] <bobstro> darktears: what audio hardware do you have?
[08:24] <darktears> bobstro: when i use dapper same thing no sound i try to add modprobe snd_hda_intel model=stack3 and i works (execpt when the sound stop ramdomly) but in last versions i never hear good sound
[08:25] <intelikey> i guess i'm just too lazy to hand configure and hand build a new initramfs.img, specally for grub use, to find the root fs when grub kicks it off.  seeing that the pair has no problem finding the root fs when lilo kicks it off.
[08:25] <bobstro> darktears: ah, sorry i don't know enough about that hardware to help much. do you have that driver? is it possibly in restricted modules?
[08:26] <mikey> ok, found the utility.  Allows read/write of ext2 and ext3 shares in windows.  http://www.fs-driver.org/
[08:26] <darktears> bobstro:
[08:26] <darktears> carte  0: Intel [HDA Intel] , priphrique 0 : AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog] 
[08:26] <darktears>   Sous-priphriques: 1/1
[08:26] <darktears>   Sous-priphrique: #0: subdevice #0
[08:26] <darktears> sorry for the c/c
[08:27] <bobstro> darktears: you might just search for tips using that hardware with non-ubuntu distros. i often find hints on the other lists.
[08:27] <bobstro> intelikey: as i said, probably depends on what you do. i've never had to do such.
[08:27] <bobstro> (not manually)
[08:27] <darktears> bobstro: yes i'm little bit depserate i search i search bu no solution :(
[08:28] <Tonren> How can I get k3b to burn m4a files?
[08:30] <mikey> anybody have an opinion of koffice vs. openoffice?
[08:30] <soomon> hi i got some problem with my ubuntu egy (kernel 2.6.17.11) .. i first installed the nvidia from automatix and now wanted to update to the latest version, but now my kernel sais: api mismatch, kernel module 1.0-7184 and X module 1.0-9755, how do i solve this?
[08:33] <soomon> anybody got an idea?
[08:34] <qsu> everybody is gone, soomon
[08:34] <soomon> :/
[08:34] <qsu> everybody is away from there computer, the went over to the darkside
[08:34] <qsu> wich is, eating pizza and drinking cola
[08:35] <bobstro> is automatix a good way to do such things if you're planning on upgrading?
[08:35] <bobstro> soomon: have you gone through the forums?
[08:35] <soomon> well i didn't plan to upgrade, but seems i have to :/
[08:35] <soomon> not yet
[08:35] <bobstro> soomon: i've read enough about automatix to make me hesitant to use it for exaclty that sort of reason.
[08:35] <bobstro> soomon: but there's plenty of nvidia info on the forums to be found.
[08:36] <bobstro> soomon: you have the restricted drivers installed?
[08:36] <soomon> well, the nvidia driver didn't want to install itself as he didn't find a matching kernel and also couldn't download one
[08:36] <soomon> so i took the one from automatix as i knew this one worked
[08:37] <renewip> Hi all!
[08:37] <renewip> I've installed my Feisty Fawn system
[08:38] <bobstro> soomon: FWIW - my nvidia is working on 2.6.17-11-generic with no problems.
[08:38] <renewip> And I can't understand why it found my IDE hard disk is /dev/sda
[08:38] <renewip> ???
[08:38] <renewip> any help?
[08:38] <bobstro> soomon: but i didn't use automatix, so not sure what it forces in.
[08:38] <intelikey> !automatix | soomon
[08:38] <ubotu> soomon: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:38] <renewip> it's normally /dev/hda (in Edgy)
[08:39] <intelikey> renewip they are using scsi emulation    every hd is now an scsi device
[08:40] <renewip> intelikey, and it is not wrong or error ?
[08:40] <renewip> and I still can use DMA?
[08:41] <intelikey> well it was intentional.    i think it's an error   but it was done on purpose
[08:41] <intelikey> renewip dma works yes
[08:42] <renewip> ok, thank you, intelikey
[08:42] <intelikey> that is to say.   i disagree with the logic behind the move.   ^
[08:46] <bobstro> intelikey: i know that was a thing years ago getting cd burners to work. i didn't realize it was coming back in vogue.
[08:47] <Creationist> Okay, I'm trying to get some cheap eGames working for my mother, but have failed so far.  I've tried using Cedega and Wine and apparently they don't support these games.
[08:47] <Creationist> I've tried installing Windows under VirtualBox (which works fine), but NO games will run in XP without a graphics accelerator, which the emulators don't support.
[08:47] <Creationist> Do I have any other options here?
[08:48] <bobstro> Creationist: and there aren't equivalent native linux games?
[08:48] <Creationist> bobstro: Nope.
[08:48] <bobstro> Creationist: which games?
[08:48] <BluesKaj> get an xbox
[08:48] <Creationist> BluesKaj: No Microsoft for me, thanks ;)
[08:48] <bobstro> BluesKaj: not exactly a *cheap* answer.
[08:49] <Creationist> bobstro: Doesn't necessarily even need to be cheap... but my mom bought herself 4 games last night and I really want her to be able to play them.
[08:49] <brianre001> Hello everyone
[08:49] <BluesKaj> gamrez...bah
[08:49] <bobstro> Creationist: we keep windows around here for the high-end games,b ut that's about it.
[08:49] <Creationist> I figured running Windows XP from within Linux would be doable, but nope... that's pointless.
[08:49] <brianre001> I need some help with something if someone has some time
[08:49] <bobstro> Creationist: ah. that may be an interesting support challenge.
[08:49] <bobstro> brianre001: just post away.
[08:50] <brianre001> For some reason my taskbar went away and I dont know how to get it back... help
[08:50] <bobstro> Creationist: looks like you'll be dealing with microsoft, like it or not!
[08:50] <bobstro> brianre001: the kde kicker?
[08:50] <brianre001> thats it....sorry for the misnaming
[08:51] <soulrider> is there a way to increase icon size in the desktop?
[08:51] <brianre001> use to win... well you know
[08:51] <soulrider> brianre001: press alt+f2 and type kicker
[08:51] <soulrider> see if somethign appears
[08:51] <pollyo> Anyone setup phpgedview from the repositories?
[08:51] <brianre001> Thank you I
[08:51] <brianre001> ll try it now
[08:52] <mikey> how can I get to the config file for virtual consoles?  I tried /etc/inittab with no luck
[08:53] <intelikey> mikey what are you trying to change ?
[08:53] <bobstro> soulrider: in systems settings->apprearance-> icons you can
[08:53] <brianre001> I justtried alt+f2 and nothing happened
[08:53] <mikey> was going to reduce the amount of consoles to free up some resources
[08:54] <intelikey> mikey upstart doesn't use an inittab file.
[08:54] <mikey> what is upstart?
[08:54] <peepsalot> init replacement
[08:54] <intelikey> mikey read up on upstart.     and 6 getty's  don't use much resources.
[08:54] <bobstro> brianre001: right-click on destkop and select "run" perhaps?
[08:55] <mikey> ok will do
[08:55] <intelikey> peepsalot SysVinit replacement.
[08:55] <intelikey> upstart is another init
[08:55] <brianre001> Nada bobstro
[08:56] <brianre001> how do you access the themes manager... that might be it
[08:56] <bobstro> brianre001: no run option when you right-click on desktop or nothing happened when you ran kicker?
[08:56] <brianre001> right
[08:56] <bobstro> ?
[08:56] <brianre001> i tried to run kicker and nothing
[08:57] <bobstro> brianre001: if you restart your session does it come back?
[08:57] <brianre001> Ill try an restart the session brb
[09:00] <brianre001> okay I just restarted my session... now heres the thing... when it starts its there but then it goes away
[09:00] <jhutchins> Of course, if you have an inittab, and you're using init, you still have to re-read the file to apply changes.
[09:01] <intelikey> init Q
[09:03] <brianre001> okay I just tried to run kicker in term but it says its already running
[09:04] <intelikey> hiding ?
[09:04] <intelikey> beryl ?
[09:04] <brianre001> maybe
[09:04] <intelikey> feisty ?
[09:04] <jtt> i have always had problems finding kde documentation. can anyone outline the steps to finding say information about kde autostart once the kde help menu is displayed
[09:04] <brianre001> beryl.... I think that may be the culprit... let me try something be right back
[09:05] <BluesKaj> brianre001, press alt and the left mouse button and move the cursor up , does the panel show ?
[09:06] <intelikey> assuming panel at bottom
[09:06] <BluesKaj> yup
[09:07] <BluesKaj> thinking his res is prolly 640x480 or some such
[09:07] <intelikey> BluesKaj yeah.   i think beryl is the issue.
[09:09] <blackboe> Hey.
[09:09] <intelikey> well i fixed my grub issue.    i pitched grub out.
[09:09] <blackboe> I'm having some trouble with WINE
[09:09] <blackboe> Really? Grub worked fine for me
[09:10] <intelikey> yeah it does on most default setups
[09:10] <blackboe> Anyway, question. There's CD protection on this program I'm installing
[09:11] <blackboe> If it doesn't identify the CD as the original, it won't run
[09:12] <intelikey> blackboe is it the origenal ?
[09:16] <brianre001> okay Im back... to no avail was I able to get my kicker back...
[09:17] <BluesKaj> brianre001, press alt and the left mouse button and move the cursor up , does the panel show ?
[09:20] <brianre001> one moment
[09:21] <brianre001> Nothing
[09:22] <brianre001> It shows when I log on... but as soon as I do it goes away
[09:22] <intelikey> hmmmm at some point in the past i seem to have made some symlinks to /bin/true.   this is the list of them.  http://pastebin.ca/441568      i wonder if that will hurt anything ?
[09:23] <intelikey> brianre001 open a konsole and type   sudo killall kicker ;kicker
[09:23] <mmartin> Hi all. i run feisty beta on my laptop. if i leave it a few hours and walk back to see the screensaver it takes a long time to become responsive again and a "top" then reveals a process from haldaemon using 100% cpu. ideas?
[09:24] <intelikey> !feisty | mmartin
[09:24] <ubotu> mmartin: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[09:24] <mmartin> well i had the same problem on edgy
[09:24] <intelikey> yes but help and support for feisty is in #ubuntu+1
[09:25] <mmartin> ok ok even tho its bound to be the same problem ill hop over there
[09:26] <gansinho> please, how do I set adept to not look for upgrades in a particular package?
[09:26] <intelikey> mmartin my idea would be to "not use hal"
[09:26] <mmartin> what does hal actually do
[09:27] <mmartin> can i safely kill it
[09:27] <intelikey> !hal
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <intelikey> !info hal
[09:27] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.7.1-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 347 kB, installed size 1112 kB
[09:28] <intelikey> mmartin if you want to test you can    sudo /etc/init.d/hal* stop
[09:30] <intelikey> mmartin errr maybe not hal*   that would get halt too
[09:31] <intelikey> use the tab key.
[09:31] <mmartin> thankies
[09:31] <mmartin> i think its some hardware interaction thing
[09:31] <intelikey> Hardware Abstraction Layer < ^
[09:32] <intelikey> an Abstract of the hardware.
[09:32] <mmartin> halt is the only script in init.d
[09:32] <intelikey> hal has an init script.
[09:32] <mmartin> i might just disable the screensaver and tweak power options to alwyas on.
[09:34] <Cosmo_> I downloaded the .debs for my brother printer since it is not on the list that comes up when adding a printer, but when I install the .deb it still doesn't come up on the list. What am I doing wrong?
[09:35] <greg_g> does your brother know you are trying to use his printer?
[09:35] <greg_g> ;)
[09:35] <greg_g> but, to answer your question, sorry, I do not know
[09:36] <intelikey> Cosmo_ using a brother printer ?       i got this brother mfc-3360c to print but never did get it to scan or fax  ....
[09:36] <intelikey> and that was with the drivers from the site.
[09:37] <brianre001> okay... I am at my wits end here... I have no idea how to get kicker back
[09:37] <Cosmo_> intelikey: I have a brother fax-1840c I can't even get it to print
[09:38] <intelikey> Cosmo_ the driver from the site     the printer driver and the cups driver   you need both.
[09:38] <Cosmo_> intelikey: yeah I downloaded both
[09:38] <intelikey> the site has a how to
[09:39] <newtokubuntu> I have a question. I am running a nvidia 6600 with a dvi and analog out on it. My windows sees both monitors and works great but when I load into kubuntu it borks hardcore. Anyone know of a fix for this?
[09:39] <intelikey> it actually works for the printer  on the  3360  can't gurantee  any other.
[09:40] <intelikey> !nv | newtokubuntu
[09:40] <ubotu> newtokubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:40] <intelikey> newtokubuntu that's supposed to work.  ^    failed for me.
[09:41] <intelikey> but then hey.   i'm not any good at following instructions.
[09:41] <peepsalot> #ubuntu+1
[09:41] <peepsalot> oops
[09:41] <intelikey> /join
[09:43] <intelikey> my idea of instructions is.     "do this this and this."   "no i don't want to do that, i'll do this and this."     "that wont wor*    how did you do that?"     " ok next "
[09:45] <intelikey> like i have a system that doesn't allow suid, on a disk that has no partitions.   which doesn't allow any logins.
[09:46] <intelikey> linux;    the non-confomist's * dream.
[09:47] <kalorin_> nah
[09:47] <kalorin_> that's mac
[09:47] <kalorin_> all those folks that want to dink thiffernt!
[09:48] <kalorin_> well
[09:48] <kalorin_> I think mac is for those that are all like those kids I see in highschool that want to all be nonconformists
[09:48] <kalorin_> and they do it all by looking and acting the same!
[09:48] <kalorin_> black hair, black fingernails
[09:49] <kalorin_> bunch of metal through their faces
[09:49] <kalorin_> pale and unhealthy lookin
[09:49] <intelikey> claydoh:   not the HS non-con.   the real world non-con.
[09:49] <intelikey> ! claydoh    stupid nick completion
[09:50] <intelikey> kalorin_ you mean those walking dead kids....   yeah not that.
[09:50] <kalorin_> yeah
[09:50] <kalorin_> they're like mac users
[09:50] <intelikey> lol
[09:51] <kalorin_> all so worried about not being main stream and different taht they're all the same
[09:51] <intelikey> yep
[09:51] <intelikey> generation  x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
[09:52] <intelikey> all alike.
[09:52] <kalorin_> nah, generation zzzzzzz
[09:52] <kalorin_> boring
[09:52] <intelikey> :)
[09:52] <intelikey> "same diff"   my daughter would say
[09:53] <intelikey> differance = same         odd statement imo
[09:53] <intelikey> Q what is the differance in a duck
[09:53] <intelikey> A one leg is both the same
[09:53] <korrx> nothing, except in the middle
[09:54] <intelikey> that's  ^   a good definition of "same diff"
[09:55] <intelikey> it's lion the richard harted     run for you lives
[09:56] <intelikey> ok boardumb has prevailed against me like giant.   i'll go break something now.
[09:59] <ergomez> hhola
[10:01] <ergomez> hola sabeis si hay algn messenger para linux
[10:01] <dawson> Hello, I have installed VMware and have successfully installed windows Vista upon a virtual computer, I am having an issue, every time i reboot i have to run the vmwares configuration file again, otherwise it won't start. Any suggestions ? Thanks.
[10:02] <Nicholas76> Hello
[10:04] <Zmax> Hi all
[10:04] <Zmax> I tried to install Kubuntu 6.10 but I got some problems:
[10:04] <Zmax> 1) After the blue progress bar my notebook monitor turns off
[10:05] <Zmax> 2) I tried using vesa driver
[10:05] <Zmax> but nothing
[10:05] <vinces1979> Zmax: what kind of laptop
[10:05] <Zmax> ASUS A7D
[10:06] <Zmax> with ATI Radeon X700
[10:06] <kalorin_> zmas
[10:06] <kalorin_> you have to install the xorg-drivers-ati package
[10:06] <Zmax> kalorin_, yes
[10:06] <vinces1979> Zmax: did you try booting recovery kernel?
[10:06] <kalorin_> I've got an x700 and had the same problem on my desktop
[10:06] <kalorin_> um...
[10:06] <kalorin_> heh
[10:06] <kalorin_> notebook still has the directions on it
[10:06] <kalorin_> nice
[10:07] <kalorin_> ok you want to edit the boot menu
[10:07] <kalorin_> adn remove the silent and splash options on the kernel, then boot it
[10:07] <kalorin_> (write this down)
[10:07] <kalorin_> then sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:07] <kalorin_> sudo aticonfig --initial
[10:08] <kalorin_> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[10:08] <kalorin_> then type startx
[10:08] <kalorin_> that'll get you to a graphical installer, then you'll need to do the exact same thing again after it installs
[10:08] <kalorin_> cause it'll boot off the live cd after you install all the drivers, but it wouldn't install those drivers when it does the install
[10:08] <kalorin_> k?
[10:08] <kalorin_> there was some webpage that I found that laid that all out
[10:09] <kalorin_> total PITA
[10:09] <Zmax> ok
[10:09] <Zmax> I'll try that, thank you
[10:09] <kalorin_> sure
[10:09] <kalorin_> had to look it up like 3 times
[10:10] <kalorin_> cause I did an xubutnu install
[10:10] <kalorin_> then eventually decided I wanted to run kubuntu
[10:10] <kalorin_> and then nuked the machine to redo the partitions at one point and had to use it again
[10:10] <kalorin_> but it'll boot, and run the ASCII xconfigurator
[10:10] <kalorin_> and complain it can't find a driver, just exit there and it'll drop you to a command line
[10:11] <kalorin_> then you can grab the right driver and startx when you've got it configured
[10:18] <voidmage> I'm working on migrating from firefox to konqueror
[10:18] <voidmage> How can I import cookies, passwords, bookmarks, and history?
[10:19] <kalorin_> why?
[10:19] <kalorin_> firefox >>>
[10:19] <voidmage> Because I want to try konqueror.
[10:19] <voidmage> Also, how can I make gmail use ssl in konqueror?
[10:19] <kalorin_> heh
[10:19] <kalorin_> I wasn't very impressed with it for the first couple of days so I just nixed it
[10:20] <kalorin_> I use it for local file system exploration and that's about it
[10:20] <voidmage> I'm getting fed up with firefox being a resource hog and crashing every so often
[10:20] <voidmage> Or worse, not crashing but failing to render pages unless I reload it several times
[10:20] <kalorin_> can't say that I've noticed htat but I've heard that from other folks
[10:22] <ewgeni90> hi
[10:23] <linux_kid> Can I install Kubuntu on top of GNOME without messing with gdm or the splash screen?
[10:23] <ewgeni90> why linux dont use the exe files?
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ewgeni90: because it isn't windows
[10:24] <kalorin_> ewgeni90: because it's not windows?
[10:24] <kalorin_> heh
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> linux_kid: yes
[10:24] <kalorin_> *high five*
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ^5
[10:24] <voidmage> linux_kid: Yes, just apt-get install kubuntu-dekstop
[10:24] <voidmage> linux_kid: Yes, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> whoa, deja vu
[10:25] <ewgeni90> and how i did install programs with .exe?
[10:25] <kalorin_> like which program with .exe?
[10:25] <ewgeni90> the google sketchup
[10:25] <kalorin_> sounds like you want to install windows software on linux
[10:26] <kalorin_> you'll either need to use an emulator like WINE
[10:26] <word> google usually has linux versions...
[10:26] <ewgeni90> http://sketchup.google.com/
[10:26] <ewgeni90> this
[10:26] <kalorin_> or a virutal machinee like vmware
[10:26] <kalorin_> sorry no linux version
[10:26] <word> only windows and mac versions...you'll have to use wine
[10:26] <linux_kid> Daisuke_Ido, voidmage, thank you
[10:27] <kalorin_> looks neat though
[10:27] <ewgeni90> :( i dont like windows
[10:27] <kalorin_> picassa does linux with wine
[10:27] <ewgeni90> i like only linux!
[10:27] <kalorin_> it might work
[10:27] <_chocobo> anybody know a repository that i can get freenx from?
[10:27] <_chocobo> I have tried almost everythign
[10:27] <Daisuke_Ido> !info freenx
[10:28] <ubotu> Package freenx does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[10:28] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[10:28] <kalorin_> what is it?
[10:28] <_chocobo> i heard u could use the one fro LTS for edgy
[10:29] <ewgeni90> in new version of ubuntu linux ,the programs install automatically?
[10:29] <word> o.O
[10:29] <kalorin_> yes, ewgeni90, you just think about them and they automagically install
[10:29] <Daisuke_Ido> ewgeni90: as in all versions, you install programs from the repositories
[10:29] <kalorin_> and even configure correctly for you
[10:30] <Daisuke_Ido> !software
[10:30] <s0nix> Hi, is there a way to synchronize ALL Kontact information (including all plugins, note, read mail, todo list, contacts) ? cause i want to use this wonderful software on my home pc AND on my laptop. thx for ur answer
[10:30] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[10:30] <word> kalorin_: shush
[10:30] <kalorin_> (my answer was more fun)
[10:30] <dodol> test
[10:30] <dodol> ehm .. its working :D
[10:30] <dodol> my first kubuntu box :D
[10:30] <ewgeni90> ah, i understand
[10:30] <dodol> sorry :D
[10:30] <ewgeni90> so i wait the new version of ubuntu or kubuntu
[10:31] <Daisuke_Ido> dodol: welcome to the cult :D
[10:31] <Daisuke_Ido> ewgeni90: the new version is coming out in a few days
[10:31] <ewgeni90> okay
[10:32] <ewgeni90> the kubuntu version have a new version but is it BETA version, i dont like BETA versions
[10:34] <word> ewgeni90: depends on what you use it for, i've been using feisty since alpha, it's had it's share of problems.
[10:34] <dodol> hi all... i can't hear anything from my kubuntu (KDE), what should I do? any links? (help me pleas :| )
[10:34] <Arwen> can anyone here me?
[10:34] <word> yes..
[10:35] <Arwen> ok, good, net send flood is over,,,
[10:35] <x2Fusion> Download today, http://beam.to/picy
[10:35] <word> spam...
[10:36] <kalorin_> do you think it'll run under WINE?
[10:37] <Daisuke_Ido> think what will run under wine
[10:37] <kalorin_> [16:37]  <x2Fusion> Download today, http://beam.to/picy
[10:37] <kalorin_> why, untitled.exe of course!
[10:38] <Daisuke_Ido> dunno what it is, i don't click unsolicited links, especially not beam.to, sling.to shoot.to, whatever's new this week
[10:39] <word> My x server randomly restarts....the problem usually happens while running a graphics intensive program like a game..but it's also happened without it...this is the last section of my xorg.log - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15747/ any ideas?
[10:39] <kalorin_> tu.to?
[10:39] <kalorin_> :)
[10:39] <Daisuke_Ido> pink.tu.to
[10:39] <ewgeni90> :)
[10:39] <ewgeni90> :P
[10:40] <ewgeni90> my english its dont corect :(
[10:40] <kalorin_> signal 11 is an overflow isn't it?
[10:40] <Daisuke_Ido> well, it's something about the keyboard it doesn't like
[10:40] <kalorin_> do you hae the correct keyboard set up in the xconfig?
[10:40] <kalorin_> er xorg.conf
[10:41] <kalorin_> you didn't select some wacko specialized keyboard that sort of matched what you have did you?
[10:41] <sgomes> hello everyone! I'm getting random X crashes, any way I can diagnose this? /var/log/Xorg.log seems useless
[10:42] <word> kalorin_: um..i don't 'think' so...i have a qwerty us keyboard :-/ let me look in my xorg.conf..
[10:43] <word> kalorin_: adding section for the keyboard config in the xorg.conf to pastebin..refresh in a few seconds...
[10:43] <kalorin_> driver kbd for the generic keyboard
[10:44] <kalorin_> word, I don't see any update
[10:44] <kalorin_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15747/
[10:44] <shawn34> just installed kubuntu/Edgy, have nvidia geforce 440 go 64m, how do i install the nvidia drivers?
[10:45] <kalorin_> !nvidia
[10:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:45] <word> kalorin_: yah...for some reason the pastebin thinks i'm a spammer...i'm gonna have to use a different one
[10:45] <Cosmo_> I downloaded the .debs for my brother 1840c printer since it is not on the list that comes up when adding a printer, but when I install the .deb it still doesn't come up on the list. What am I doing wrong?
[10:46] <kalorin_> I had that deal at some point as well
[10:46] <word> kalorin_: http://pastebin.us/24458
[10:46] <kalorin_> it'd be nice to just have the ability to just make a channel here nad chat or dcc chat
[10:46] <dsmith_> kalorin_: you can make your own roooms
[10:46] <kalorin_> um... try this
[10:48] <kalorin_> ok refresh it
[10:48] <word> This is gonna be crazy to figure out if any fix is working...because sometimes it takes 4 hours of a graphics heavy game for it to crash >< others..2 minutes..
[10:48] <kalorin_> guess your'e going to have to spend some time killin' things
[10:48] <kalorin_> :)
[10:48] <kalorin_> so I changd your model to a 105key deal
[10:49] <kalorin_> and I'm not sure what the option XkbOptions is for but it does something with that 105th key I'd guess
[10:49] <_chocobo> Hey anybody use FreeNX before?
[10:49] <kalorin_> Id' just comment what you've got and put in those 3 lines I changed
[10:49] <kalorin_> that's what I've got in my config
[10:49] <kalorin_> heh
[10:50] <kalorin_> I've got 2x windows keys + 1x menu key on the right side between the space and CTRL
[10:50] <kalorin_> thus 105
[10:50] <kalorin_> wondering if you're hitting that key and it doesn't know what to do with the input and blows up
[10:50] <word> i counted 104 :-/
[10:52] <word> ...and i just counted 105...lol..
[10:52] <shawn34> i have a amd, should i install the k7 kernal or the 386 kernal? the generic kernal is installed currently
[10:52] <kalorin_> uncross your eyes :)
[10:52] <word> ><
[10:52] <kalorin_> shawn34: I've got an athlon64 3200+ and it runs great iwth the generic stuf
[10:55] <rjb> how's wifi support coming along in feisty?
[10:55] <word> kalorin_: 90% sure it's 104
[10:55] <rjb> should i expect upgrade trouble with my broadcom 43xx?
[10:56] <word> kalorin_: >.> i suck at counting..
[10:58] <word> kalorin_: so..if you're right..then i could press all the buttons and theoratically crash right?
[10:59] <sgomes> I'll guess I'll try asking again... I'm getting random X crashes in feisty, any way I can diagnose this?
[10:59] <jhutchins> shawn34: They've incorporated support for pretty much any chip in the generic kernel.  It auto-selects the best options for your chip.
[10:59] <jhutchins> sgomes: You'd probably have better luck in the feisty channel, #ubuntu+1
[10:59] <sgomes> jhutchins: thanks
[11:00] <jhutchins> sgomes: Make sure you tell 'em what chipset you've got and what drivers you're running.
[11:00] <kalorin_> word, well it could be a combination of buttons or something
[11:00] <kalorin_> like you said it's random
[11:00] <sgomes> jhutchins: will do :)
[11:00] <kalorin_> but I would think it's possible yes
[11:01] <word> i've been sitting back watching it and it's happened :-/
[11:02] <word> but i suppose it could take a few seconds for it to explode :-/
[11:03] <kalorin_> I hate to say good luck with blowing up your system
[11:04] <kalorin_> but um... good luck :)
[11:06] <voidmage> Is there a way to set up konqueror to have ctrl+enter add .com to a url?
[11:09] <jhutchins> voidmage: Interesting thought.  Might ask in #kde, or submit it as a feature request.  Maybe you could cycle through .org and .net by repeating.
[11:09] <jhutchins> voidmage: (Submit to kde, not kubuntu.)
[11:12] <jack_> hi, using cups how can i use economic printing settings?
[11:14] <jack_> it offers me in the properties sth but the pahes still come out with full ink
[11:15] <jhutchins> jack_: Have you used the settings with something other than cups where it came out differently?
[11:17] <Cosmo_>  I downloaded the .debs for my brother 1840c printer since it is not on the list that comes up when adding a printer, but when I install the .deb it still doesn't come up on the list. What am I doing wrong?
[11:18] <slow-motion> n8
[11:18] <word> kalorin_: well restarting x and gonna...play a game for awhile lol i'll let you know how it goes
[11:19] <jack_> like generic unix lpd printings system, no, but i will..where would i find the option print economically ? in the properties tab, directly before i print?
[11:20] <jack_> jhutchins:  like generic unix lpd printings system, no, but i will..where would i find the option print economically ? in the properties tab, directly before i print?
[11:20] <kalorin_> k
[11:22] <jack_> jhutchins: it only offers in the graphics resolution dialog 360 x 120 dpi economic, would that be the right thing to choose cos i see nothing else related
[11:23] <ma_[R] _co> hey
[11:23] <ma_[R] _co> una mano su un hard disck fat32
[11:24] <jhutchins> jack_: With a lot of printers there doesn't seem to be any difference.
[11:25] <jhutchins> ma_[R] _co: Sorry, english?
[11:25] <jhutchins> !es | ma_[R] _co
[11:25] <ubotu> ma_[R] _co: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:26] <jack_> jhutchins: how would you force your printer to print economically cos its the epson dx5050 i'm glad that it even prints atall cos its pretty new
[11:27] <jhutchins> jack_: Like I said, on a lot of printers it doesn't make any difference.
[11:28] <jack_> ok, so it just would work?do you know how to add a blan out x for deleting the interent address bar like in the konqueror to the firefox?
[11:28] <jack_> blank out sorry
[11:29] <ergomez> eoeoe
[11:29] <ergomez> espaol?
[11:29] <Stardog> uhm... howto do a screenshot in terminal with delay?
[11:30] <philphoto> evening folks.  I'm trying to set up my epson scanner & would like to know what this means: "You also need to set up the environment variable SANEI_EPKOWA_FIRMWAREFILE to point to the firmware file esfw54.bin."
[11:31] <ergomez> espaol?
[11:31] <soulrider> !es
[11:31] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:32] <ergomez> gracias
[11:32] <Stardog> !screenshot
[11:32] <ubotu> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.
[11:34] <chijin> or by running ksnapshot
[11:35] <philphoto> anyone here use vuescan?
[11:38] <dsmith_> question: How can I stop a runaway process?
[11:42] <hitmanWilly> dsmith_, kill <PID>
[11:42] <hitmanWilly> dsmith_, or killall <process name>
[11:42] <Kubuntero> :O
[11:43] <dsmith_> thx willy
[11:43] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: I'm trying to find out what this means: You also need to set up the environment variable SANEI_EPKOWA_FIRMWAREFILE to point to the firmware file esfw54.bin.
[11:43] <dsmith_> superkaramba is freaking out on me
[11:44] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, do you know what an environment variable is?
[11:44] <philphoto> I just don't get the "setup environment profile to point to" part.
[11:44] <philphoto> NOPE
[11:45] <philphoto> still learning this OS.  I'm trying to get my scanner set up
[11:45] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, all it is is a varible that the system shell sets
[11:45] <kofler> How would I prevent a program from starting up at boot?
[11:45] <kofler> Like lighttpd starts up at boot and I don't want it to start until certain drives are mounted.
[11:46] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, you can set them manually yourself like ENVIRONMENT_VARIBLE="/usr/local/" or something else to that effect
[11:47] <kofler> Anyone?
[11:47] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: this is why I have this question.  in vuescan:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15868/
[11:47] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, what you need to do is find where the file its looking for is and set the required env var to that path
[11:47] <philphoto> yowza.
[11:48] <caffeinism> Sooo... I got the newest live CD from kubuntu... My computer freezes up when the little bouncy loading bar comes up.
[11:49] <caffeinism> I googled it and searched the forums.
[11:49] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, its actually pretty easy, what i would do is write a quick shell script to do it then launch the program with that
[11:49] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, you could also set it up on boot, but im not sure how ubuntu does that
[11:49] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: so would that look like "sudo SANEI_EPKOWA_FIRMWAREFILE=esfw54.bin"  ??
[11:50] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, that should work
[11:50] <philphoto> I can't write scripts.  I just started this arcania a few weeks ago
[11:50] <kofler> How would I prevent a program from starting up at boot?
[11:50] <kofler> Like lighttpd starts up at boot and I don't want it to start until certain drives are mounted.
[11:51] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, scripts are easy, its just a series of commands for the os to run with #!/bin/sh at the top
[11:51] <philphoto> do I have to put in a file path for the env var to properly see where the file is lcated?
[11:51] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, yeah, it'll need the full path
[11:52] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, actually, the package might set that up for you when you install it, maybe...
[11:52] <philphoto> no, it didn't set that up
[11:52] <hitmanWilly> oh, ok
[11:52] <hitmanWilly> hard way then
[11:53] <philphoto> I'm a little confused about the last part of that pastebin entry I sent.
[11:53] <philphoto> "For newer versions of iscan, set up ISCAN_FW_DIR instead."
[11:53] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, newer versions of the program will read that environment variable instead
[11:53] <philphoto> is that the name of the env var instead of the longer one in this case?
[11:54] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, probably
[11:55] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: ok, so first, i find esfw54.bin, then remember the full path to the file, then setup the env var
[11:55] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, yup
[11:55] <philphoto> hitmanwilly: like this  "sudo ISCAN_FW_DIR=/filepath.../.../esfw54.bin"
[11:56] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, you don't need sudo for that
[11:56] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, also, put the path in quotes
[11:56] <philphoto> ok, but for the most part that command looks viable?
[11:56] <philphoto> quotes, huh?
[11:56] <hitmanWilly> should work, yeah
[11:57] <philphoto> excellent.  thanks
[11:57] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, also, look into shell scripting, it makes things SO much easier
[11:58] <hitmanWilly> just a suggestion
[11:58] <philphoto> hitmanWilly:  ok,  now those quotes are like these:  "..."  ?
[11:58] <hitmanWilly> yes
[11:58] <philphoto> thanks
[11:59] <hitmanWilly> the path is a string, which needs the quotes
[11:59] <hitmanWilly> iirc
[12:00] <philphoto> well, I ran it in shell & then it just went to the next command line.
[12:00] <philphoto> I was expecting something to happen.  is it that simple?
[12:00] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try typing this echo $<name of env var>
[12:01] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, it should show what you just put into it
[12:01] <philphoto> I got command not found.
[12:01] <hitmanWilly> echo??? not found????
[12:01] <bill_k> anyone have experience with grub conf?  (installed vista over xp+kubuntu), now i only see vista bootloader which gives me option of xp or vista
[12:01] <philphoto> ok, perhaps I'll use the longer version previously mentioned in setup util text
[12:02] <hitmanWilly> how is echo not found?
[12:02] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, type echo in konsole right quick
[12:02] <bill_k> booted to kubuntu with live-cd now, tried "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" and got "cannot find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device"
[12:03] <philphoto> nothing happens
[12:04] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try "echo $ISCAN_FW_DIR"
[12:04] <hitmanWilly> with the $
[12:04] <philphoto> sweet
[12:05] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: I got "/usr/share/iscan/esfw54.bin"
[12:05] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, you scared me for a minute there, echo is pretty important
[12:05] <philphoto> I have no idea, so thanks
[12:05] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, i thought you might not have it on the system
[12:06] <hitmanWilly> that's BAD
[12:06] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, did you literally type in <nameof env var>?
[12:07] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, generally speaking, whenever someone puts something in <> it means "don't literally type this"
[12:08] <philphoto> no
[12:08] <philphoto> I didn't just copy/past the whole thing
[12:08] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, ok, nevermind then
[12:08] <philphoto> I typed in the env variable that I thought I'd changed
[12:08] <philphoto> right, right.
[12:09] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, probably a typo someplace
[12:09] <philphoto> ok so I'm still getting the error that I do not have the proper driver installed, though I do.
[12:09] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try the other env variable then
[12:10] <philphoto> I think the problem lies in this: "make sure you have /usr/lib/libesint54.so from..."
[12:10] <pieman> is there anyway i can run a php script from the commnad like i can with perl/java ?
[12:11] <philphoto> I have that file, but it is not in exactly that location.
[12:11] <shawn34> sry
[12:11] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, do you know how to make a symbolic link?
[12:11] <philphoto> it's in the /usr/lib directory, but it has it's own folder.
[12:11] <philphoto> nope