[12:24] <heno> mc44: Ben will build it, so check his download area in a bit
[12:25] <mc44> heno: ok,, thanks
[12:25] <TheVault> Anyone experiencing this problem. When your in your home directory or someplace, and you double click something, it just sits there and does nothing. No matter how many times you click, it does not do anything. Anyone experiencing that?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> single click is the deault in linux
[12:26] <BluesKaj> default
[12:26] <heno> TheVault: just happened to me in fact (then I changed the batteries in my mouse and now it works :) )
[12:27] <TheVault> heno: I am on a laptop using a touchpad. I just plugged in my USB mouse and its doing the same thing
[12:27] <TheVault> Heck, I just restarted my computer thinking it would fix problem
[12:28] <TheVault> BlueKaj: Not when your clicking on a folder. Single click only works on the desktop when your clicking something in the panels or whatnot
[12:29] <TheVault> Now thats strange, now it works after I changed the double click timeout. I had it set on 100 instead of 400. Whats the difference?
[12:33] <TheVault> Got another question. I have beryl installed. Does anyone else get a a 6 sec hang after you enter your master password(if you have that enabled)?
[12:33] <TheVault> For Firefox
[12:33] <hikenboot> greetings all...I am wondering if there is a boot time reducing add in for ubuntu +1
[12:34] <TheVault> hikenboot: Did you just now install feisty?
[12:34] <hikenboot> no i just updated packages
[12:34] <TheVault> hikenboot: Did you install all the updates?
[12:34] <hikenboot> boot is real slow but internet seems extremely fast
[12:34] <hikenboot> yes i installed them all
[12:35] <TheVault> hikenboot: Hmmm. Well my boot times are alright. When I had first installed feisty, the loader would hang for about 1 minute, like half way, then it would finally load completely. But since I installed updates, that was fixed and boot time was fast to
[12:36] <hikenboot> there is a couple different parellizer and other method projects for reducing boot time I was wondering which one is  meant for ubuntu
[12:36] <penguin42> has anyone else had problems with md/dm/lvm/evms on feisty in the last few weeks - mine is getting more and more confused each time I reboot (I'm running 2.6.20-15)
[12:37] <penguin42> evms and /proc/mdstat are disagreeing with what is actually in the raid
[12:38] <penguin42> and something is blatantly ignoring the mdadm.conf where I tell it which devices I want
[12:38] <linux_kid> Where can I find an old-er version of network-manager-gnome??
[12:39] <penguin42> linux_kid: Have you looked on the ftp site that you normally get your ubuntu packages from in the same directory in pool/main/n/network-manager-gnome ?
[12:39] <linux_kid> penguin42, good idea, i'll check... How do I find which repo to use?
[12:40] <penguin42> linux_kid: Try main and if that doesn't work try the others :-)  But you can find out from a dpkg -s I think or apt-cache show
[12:40] <linux_kid> penguin42, thank you again :)
[12:43] <andre_pl> does anyone here use gnome-osd at all? I've been using it for a while, but in the past couple of days its stopped working on my second display, if DISPLAY=":0.1" i get a dbus error, but if its :0.0 it works fine.
[12:48] <misfit_toy> what's a good generic terminal besides gnome-term?
[12:48] <penguin42> xterm is basic but works
[12:48] <andre_pl> aterm
[12:49] <misfit_toy> oh yeah, couldn't remember, thanks
[12:49] <penguin42> konsole is similar to gnome but from the KDE camp
[12:49] <penguin42> (works under gnome)
[12:50] <k`ubuntu> well, not sure how it works now but I don't think using KDE stuff under Gnome is a too smart idea
[12:50] <k`ubuntu> at least KDE stuffs installed LOADS of plus packages
[12:50] <k`ubuntu> in 5.04
[12:50] <PWill> gah!
[12:50] <PWill> just saw that feisty might be delayed
[12:50] <k`ubuntu> where?
[12:50] <andre_pl> I hope so. its broken pretty bad right now
[12:50] <PWill> digg
[12:50] <PWill> http://duggmirror.com//linux_unix/Ubuntu_7_04_Release_Candidate_delayed_Final_might_be_late_as_well/plain.html
[12:51] <PWill> andre_pl: works for me :)
[12:51] <andre_pl> PWill: you got lucky. alot of people are having serious problems.
[12:52] <PWill> i heard about them
[12:52] <penguin42> It's been looking really good except for the last few days
[12:52] <penguin42> hmm I like the captcha replacement on that page
[12:52] <PWill> i have pentium d dual core with an ATA drive and a SATA drive
[12:53] <k`ubuntu> thats sad. soooo sad. I wanted my Feisty installed next weekend :'(
[12:54] <k`ubuntu> penguin42, yes, not bad but it will be matter of weeks and bots will learn it kinda fast I think, was same with the email addresses on pictures and stuff
[12:56] <misfit_toy> what's the name of that package that now comes with feisty for eye-candy compiz stuff? desktop-"something"
[12:56] <penguin42> misfit_toy: effects
[12:56] <misfit_toy> ah yes, thx
[12:56] <misfit_toy> I'm having a weird beryl issue and want to compare
[12:56] <penguin42> I think desktop_effects is just a front end for compiz isn't it?
[12:56] <misfit_toy> I'm hoping it might fix the window-dec issue
[12:57] <misfit_toy> beryl is good but unpredictable and I had compiz on edgy and it was rock stable solid
[12:57] <yoasif> anyone know of an issue where the screen gets like 20 copies of it, skewed?
[12:57] <yoasif> and nothing works, not even ssh?
[12:58] <starz> misfit_toy oo thats good to hear
[01:04] <Flosoft> !ntfs
[01:04] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:06] <misfit_toy> I'm thinking beryl is just pushing this laptop too hard, and compiz won't give me window-decorations, time to cut it back to just metacity until all that stuff stabilizes.
[01:06] <misfit_toy> it's cool stuff, but I suppose unnecessary in the long run.
[01:07] <Falstius> So is linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic the 2.6.20-15.25?  Because my bootup is broken and I'm trying to update from a chroot, but it isn't finding any updates new kernel. (it is trying to boot -15-generic)
[01:10] <atselby> whens this kernel fix supposed to happen?
[01:14] <Fylk> Is there any point to these extra headers in grub?
[01:15] <penguin42> extra headers?
[01:15] <atselby> Can anyone here help me upgrade my kernel to the one listed in the topic of this channel?
[01:16] <crdlb> atselby, dpkg -l|grep linux-image
[01:16] <atselby> crdlb: what're the odds.
[01:16] <atselby> crdlb: uhm, it shows im on the said kernel actually... but thats the problematic one.
[01:17] <atselby>  Linux kernel image for version 2.6.20 on i38
[01:17] <atselby> ii  linux-image-2.6.20-15-386              2.6.20-15.25
[01:17] <fenrig> hi
[01:18] <fenrig> ubuntu is still broken
[01:18] <fenrig> i cant boot and i have the 2.6.20-15.25
[01:18] <atselby> fenrig: i hear ya.
[01:18] <atselby> fenrig: same problem.
[01:19] <atselby> fenrig: what're you in now?
[01:28] <rm_you> I thought feisty was going to use network-manager 7.x, but it looks like only 6.4 is available right now... Is it going to be added at release or did I hear wrong?
[01:32] <misfit_toy> if you're having problems with that latest kernel, I might suggest getting an older one to boot to, I'm using 2.6.20-14-386
[01:37] <darko> greetings :)   Can i disable VDSO support while compiling the kernel > 2.60?
[01:39] <tatters> Anyone running mythtv found that the weather is failing to update after latest update?
[01:41] <atselby> When's the kernel update gonna be?
[01:41] <atselby> any est?
[01:43] <Fylk> Are we still on for a release next week?
[01:43] <tatters> that reminds me my grub menu is getting overloaded,,,
[01:44] <tatters> is it ok to remove old stuff in gru or advised to keep?
[01:45] <crdlb> tatters, you should always keep a couple
[01:45] <atselby> fylk: if the kernel is how it is now id hope not...
[01:45] <crdlb> but other than that, you can remove the really old ones
[01:46] <tatters> k, thnx will do,,,,I got me xp, n vista on there as well, it is starting to get pretty full
[01:47] <Fylk> I agree with atselby. This current version has too many glitches for a major release.
[01:48] <BluesKaj> hmm, strange ...editing old kernels out of the boot/grub/menu.lst doesn't remove the kernels in the grub menu at boot up
[01:49] <soothsay> BluesKaj: Is there a reason you are doing that instead of removing the kernel packages themselves?
[01:53] <BluesKaj> ok, soothsay where are they stored so i can remove them ?
[01:54] <soothsay> BluesKaj: What do you normally use to add/remove packages?
[01:54] <tatters> I got 2 network card cable n wireless and still the option to disable wireless eludes me from the GUI, if I disable it re-enables itself at reboot
[01:54] <soothsay> BluesKaj: Synaptic works fine....
[01:54] <BluesKaj> for kernels ?
[01:54] <tatters> The only option is roam or ep
[01:54] <tatters> roam
[01:54] <soothsay> BluesKaj: Search for linux-image packages
[01:54] <misfit_toy> BluesKaj, yeah, go into synaptic and uncheck the ones you don't want.
[01:55] <misfit_toy> BluesKaj, if you do it that way it will also update grub.
[01:55] <tatters> ep=wep
[01:55] <BluesKaj> ok, looking
[02:02] <Chetwin> Hi all.  I can not figure out the PAM (auto keyring password) instructions for networkmanager, so i installed knetworkmanager in gnome because it doesn't need to use the keyring and the kwallet doesn't require a password at all.  But now I can not get it to autostart with gnome.  I have already tried to configure the autostart setting in knetworkmanager, but no luck.  I still have to start it manually at every boot.  Any suggestions?
[02:05] <Tuple1> !breakage
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about breakage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <BluesKaj> ok, thx gents ...grub is now officially 2.6.20-15.27
[02:05] <Chetwin> Anyone?
[02:07] <soothsay> How quickly ubotu forgets
[02:08] <penguin42> unfortunately disc access is still unstable on my system with 2.6.20-15.25
[02:08] <penguin42> does anyone know how to read ata errors?
[02:09] <jkimball4> !brekage
[02:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brekage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:09] <jkimball4> It was spelled wrong before
[02:10] <Chetwin> Alright everyone, I'm gonna repost one more time before I run.  If anyone has any suggestions, please private message me
[02:10] <Chetwin> Hi all.  I can not figure out the PAM (auto keyring password) instructions for networkmanager, so i installed knetworkmanager in gnome because it doesn't need to use the keyring and the kwallet doesn't require a password at all.  But now I can not get it to autostart with gnome.  I have already tried to configure the autostart setting in knetworkmanager, but no luck.  I still have to start it manually at every boot.  Any suggestions?
[02:10] <mcarroll> the breakage factoid was deleted, but can still be read here: http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?search=breakage
[02:10] <|NewUser|> jkimball4: so what does it mean ? if the breakage link is remove in the bot so its mean now that is fixed?
[02:11] <jkimball4> |NewUser| there is no longer breakage afaik
[02:11] <jkimball4> My system updates properly today
[02:11] <jin> my printer is not working in feisty
[02:11] <jin> it does work on edgy
[02:12] <|NewUser|> jkimball4: okie thanks for keep updating me with new updates :) now i m going to update my some upgrade packages.
[02:15] <|NewUser|> well is there any help to install IRCD server in ubuntu?
[02:23] <pedro> hi
[02:23] <pedro> I have just added a new user. And it has no sound at all. Any help?
[02:24] <pedro> switching to older user, the sound is okay
[02:24] <void^> add him to the audio group
[02:24] <pedro> hmmm
[02:25] <pedro> void^: there is no 'audio' group
[02:26] <void^> pedro: how unusual. which group do your device nodes in /dev/snd belong to?
[02:26] <pedro> hmmm
[02:26] <pedro> dunno... How to check that?
[02:26] <void^> ls -l /dev/snd
[02:26] <Dana1> 915resolution REEEEEally should be installed by default on systems that need it.
[02:27] <pedro> okay
[02:28] <pedro> void^: it is 'audio'. But there is no 'audio' in Group Manager. How to add pedro to audio group?
[02:29] <void^> pedro: usermod -a -G audio pedro
[02:29] <pedro> okay
[02:30] <pedro> should I reboot?
[02:30] <void^> relogin
[02:30] <pedro> okay
[02:30] <Ace2016> Hi all
[02:30] <|NewUser|> void^: is there any help to install IRCD server in fiesty?
[02:31] <Ace2016> has anyone noticed that synaptic now takes longer to apply updates
[02:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I heard the upstream Debian had a new release.  If I already have Feisty, should I bother with it?
[02:32] <DanaG> Last time I tried Debian, I tried "stable" because I didn't know any better, and I found everything to be really old.
[02:32] <DanaG> That was 2 or 3 years ago.
[02:32] <Ace2016> DanaG: well try debian sid
[02:32] <Ace2016> thats all the latest packages
[02:32] <void^> debian etch is probably around dapper (?)
[02:32] <Ace2016> and its always the latest stuff, the very very latest
[02:33] <Ace2016> and its updated very frequently, which is nice
[02:33] <Ace2016> however it is unstable, new packages tend to have undetected bugs
[02:33] <Ace2016> but it wasn't that bad the last time i tried it
[02:33] <void^> yes. if you use ubuntu+1 because you enjoy frequent updates and breakage you'll feel at home on sid. :)
[02:34] <mister_roboto> does anyone know if truecrypt will ever be part of ubuntu's repos? any plans?
[02:34] <DanaG> I like being on the cutting (but not quite bleeding -- I leave that to my cheap desktop case that I no longer use -- ouch, that thing was sharp)
[02:34] <DanaG> ..oh, I digress.
[02:34] <Ace2016> sid wasn't that bad, i just had to watch out for updates to nvidia and the restricted modules when the kernel was updated
[02:35] <DanaG> I like being on the leading edge in software, but NOT in hardware.
[02:35] <penguin42> DanaG: Sticking with the latest 'stable' ubuntu isn't bad - it's normally no more than 6 months out and if you feel brave you can always move up to the current testing
[02:35] <DanaG> I did Edgy when it was in testing, and I started Feisty when I found out it had 2.6.20 kernel.
[02:43] <Ace2016> !ping
[02:43] <ubotu> pong
[02:45] <concept10> For some reason ubuntu puts a wacom tablet input device in my xorg.conf and I have never touched one in my life.  Anyone else see this problem?
[02:45] <lupine_85> concept10: it's a feature, not a bug ;)
[02:45] <lupine_85> just remove it
[02:45] <gnomefreak> hasnt it been like that since edgy
[02:46] <concept10> gnomefreak: I think so.  It's been there for awhile.  I thought it was just another one of those GNU/Linux compatibility abstractions :)
[02:47] <concept10> sort of like libata
[02:47] <concept10> and scsi for everything else :)
[02:47] <Lunar_Lamp> wacom is there in case you want to use a wacom. It's been in at least since dapper.
[02:47] <crimsun> it's there because a significant user has wacom tablets. It's part of the usable by default mantra.
[02:47] <Ace2016> bye all
[02:48] <concept10> I hate these kitchen sink installs modules and extra stuff everywhere :)
[02:48] <crimsun> concept10: then default Ubuntu really isn't for you.
[02:48] <crimsun> not to mention it's trivial to remove what you don't want.
[02:48] <concept10> Im trying to narrow down what is causing GDM to lock up.
[02:49] <penguin42> talking of input devices - what is the right way to set up touchpads?  GSynaptics looks like a pretty front end for this but says I need something special in my xorg.conf (a SHM enable for the device) - but I don't think there is actually a specific entry for touchpad in the xorg.conf anyway
[02:49] <crimsun> penguin42: there is on mine.
[02:50] <penguin42> crimsun: I seem to have a mouse and a bunch of wacoms
[02:51] <crimsun> a clean install of 20070414 shows a synaptics entry.
[02:51] <crimsun> it goes without saying that I have a synaptics touchpad on this pavilion dv6205us.
[02:52] <Ace2016> I'm back
[02:52] <Ace2016>  "Large parts of feisty were broken, Including booting, and a 403 on the kernel.  2.6.20-15.25 fixes these
[02:52] <|NewUser|> Is There any help to install ircd server in my local machine?
[02:52] <Ace2016> Can someone put a time stamp on all these
[02:52] <Ace2016> i just don't know how up to date this info is
[02:53] <larsbars> hi: i'm running feisty on a core duo laptop and speedstep-centrino fails to load (it worked twice). anybody else experience this problem?
[02:53] <gan|y|med> hi
[02:53] <gan|y|med> pls, does anybody know why the fglrx-driver package does not install fglrx.ko??
[02:54] <crimsun> Ace2016: the topic has a timestamp.
[02:54] <crimsun> 20:54 -!- Topic set by tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso]  [Sat Apr 14 12:49:06 2007] 
[02:55] <crimsun> Ace2016: furthermore, if you're testing Feisty, you should at least be subscribed to the feisty-changes mailing list
[02:55] <crimsun> not to mention ubuntu-announce, ubuntu-devel-announce
[02:58] <Ace2016> crimsun: nope, never knew there even was a mailing list
[02:59] <gnomefreak> theres a ton of them :(  lists.ubuntu.com
[02:59] <Hidan> !packages
[02:59] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[02:59] <Ace2016> thanks i see the timestamp
[02:59] <Hidan> feisty-changes mailing list? there IS one?
[02:59] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:59] <Ace2016> gnomefreak: i know i just updated them, took forever
[03:00] <martalli> for some reason, tab autocompletion isn't working in my konsole
[03:00] <crimsun> martalli: for bash or a particular application over and beyond bash_completion?
[03:00] <martalli> It was working before...I just did a big upgrade (to the 20-15)
[03:00] <martalli> crimsun, in bash
[03:00] <concept10> could someone help me out and paste /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop?  I think my copy is borked.
[03:01] <gnomefreak> martalli: in bash type dis <tab> <tab>
[03:01] <gnomefreak> do you get a list of words
[03:01] <gnomefreak> s/words/commands
[03:01] <martalli> hrmph
[03:02] <martalli> now its working
[03:02] <martalli> bizarre...it wasn't working just a second ago!!!!!!
[03:02] <gnomefreak> :)
[03:02] <martalli> Well, thanks for your magic help lol
[03:04] <concept10> my current /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop looks like this: im not sure is this is freezing my system: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15718/
[03:05] <concept10> someone please paste a clean one
[03:09] <starz> mmm interesting ;)
[03:11] <crimsun> concept10: that's legit.
[03:11] <nixnoob> how do i remove xdmcp?
[03:12] <concept10> crimsun: thanks.
[03:14] <crimsun> nixnoob: err, more precisely?
[03:15] <nixnoob> well foro some reason its giving me xdmcp screen when i boot intsead of login
[03:16] <nixnoob> i want to login normally
[03:16] <nixnoob> i had to remove the network-manager package because it was causing x to crash on boot i think it messed something up in the init scripts
[03:17] <nixnoob> nvm i fixed it
[03:18] <tag> feisty is still broken?
[03:18] <tag> oh, "were"
[03:19] <crimsun> it's still broken for some people
[03:19] <crimsun> a 2.6.20-15.26 has been uploaded which fixes it
[03:19] <crimsun> you'll see it in 12-ish hours
[03:19] <DanaG> That's odd: every once in a while my ACPI temperature will randomly jump to and stick at 66, 72, or 78 C.
[03:20] <DanaG> But that's a bogus reading -- it never gets that hot during the most intense CPU and GPU and I/O usage in Windows.
[03:20] <DanaG> I'll also see APIC error on CPU 0 (40)
[03:20] <DanaG> er
[03:20] <DanaG> APIC error on CPU1: 40(40)
[03:21] <Ace2016> unless windows is wrong.....
[03:22] <DanaG> Nope, it's Speedfan and RMCloc.
[03:22] <Hidan> hmmh i can't wait for it to reach RC status.
[03:22] <DanaG> It's a BIOS bug -- the CPU span will fin up to a higher speed.
[03:22] <DanaG> Er, fan will spin up
[03:22] <DanaG> .
[03:23] <tag> the ubuntu mirrors are really slow for me
[03:23] <Ace2016> maybe lots of people are updating now
[03:23] <tag> they've been being really slow for the last few days
[03:24] <DanaG> How can you tell how recently a mirror has been updated?
[03:24] <DanaG> oh, and s/RMCloc/RMClock/
[03:25] <fb33> how do you manually make a user have sudo power?
[03:25] <dystopianray> fb33: put them in the admin group
[03:25] <fb33> ah
[03:25] <fb33> thank you
[03:25] <DanaG> try http://san1.csc.calpoly.edu/ubuntu/
[03:25] <DanaG> Cal Poly, SLO.
[03:26] <DanaG> Updated 6:18; likely AM.
[03:26] <fb33> and tired of always asking questions there
[03:26] <fb33> I miss kubuntu
[03:26] <tag> fb33: heh, then use visudo.  Also quit asking questions here.
[03:26] <fb33> it was so much easeir
[03:26] <tag> try #linpeople or something
[03:27] <fb33> nah
[03:27] <Ace2016> fb33: any good points of slackware which you like more than kubuntu?
[03:27] <fb33> yes!
[03:27] <fb33> for 64 bit I can run 32 bit  without chroot
[03:28] <fb33> slamd64
[03:28] <Ace2016> that it?
[03:28] <fb33> ummm
[03:29] <fb33> rpm2tgz is nice
[03:29] <fb33> better then alien
[03:29] <fb33> I just started using it
[03:30] <fb33> ill come back next week
[03:30] <fb33> :)
[03:30] <fb33> but using wine near natively in 64 is nice
[03:30] <Ace2016> cool
[03:31] <Ace2016> fb33: ever tried gentoo?
[03:31] <fb33> I mean. ubuntu without a doubt is easier to use
[03:31] <fb33> no. not going that bleeding edge...yet
[03:32] <fb33> plus I like the slackware community
[03:33] <word> Did anyone else lose all the options in kmix? :-/
[03:33] <fb33> ubuntu grew to big for me
[03:33] <word> when they switched to feisty that is...i also switched my motherboard but it wouldn't make much sense for that to take away the "+20 db mic" option..which i reallly need.
[03:33] <fb33> and after trying backtrack2 I saw slackware might be nice
[03:34] <DanaG> Does kmix hide options like the gnome thingy does?
[03:34] <fb33> of another nice thing about slack
[03:34] <DanaG> I know the gnome thingy hides controls by defaults.
[03:34] <fb33> ndiswrapper works better
[03:34] <fb33> I had a bitxh of a time compiling it on ubuntu
[03:35] <fb33> but I got my wireless working in 5 minutes
[03:35] <DanaG> Although my screen may be ridiculously dim, I do have Intel Pro {Wireless 3945abg, 1000 [ethernet] }
[03:35] <fb33> less
[03:35] <DanaG> instead of Dell (Broadcom) or Realtek.
[03:35] <fb33> nice
[03:36] <DanaG> I cast FORCEDETH upon ye all! (sounds like a curse, rather than a driver)
[03:36] <word> DanaG: how would you get it to show options? :-/
[03:36] <DanaG> edit -- preferences  (in gnome).
[03:36] <DanaG> For kmix, just dig around in the menus.
[03:36] <fb33> I miss apt-get...
[03:36] <fb33> lol
[03:36] <DanaG> aptitude FTW!
[03:37] <fb33> and that
[03:37] <word> yah aptitude +1...and DanaG it doesn't seem like it hides anything :-/
[03:37] <fb33> adept
[03:37] <DanaG> Hmm.
[03:37] <DanaG> What's the sound card and driver?
[03:38] <word> onboard, VT8237A, hda-intel is the driver for it...pretty sure that's what it's using o.O
[03:38] <DanaG> Hah, knetworkmanager thinks my disconnected Intel Pro ethernet is 65535Mb/s.
[03:38] <`sam`> i never could get a mic to work with hda-intel
[03:39] <`sam`> so i just put in my old c-media card
[03:39] <word> ><
[03:39] <DanaG> And my 10 megabit USB ethernet card I'm using for the sake of having only two cables (USB and power) claims to be at 100 megabits.
[03:39] <word> my mic works, but on vent, people need to set my sound to 800%
[03:40] <DanaG> I have hda-intel, and I have nonworking mic, also.
[03:40] <DanaG> But I don't currently have a need for working microphone.
[03:40] <word> ><
[03:40] <DanaG> I guess Intel HD Audio, despite being supposedly standard, has individual quirks.
[03:41] <DanaG> For example, Dell makes their headphone jack NOT mute the onboard speakers!
[03:41] <DanaG> Gateway uses an "old-style" hardware disconnect -- there's no way to get the headphone jack AND speaker output simultaneously.
[03:42] <crimsun> we can fudge it, but it's highly annoying, and it's codec revision-specific.
[03:42] <crimsun> oh, and did I mention it's annoying?
[03:43] <crimsun> HDA is, disturbingly, a pile of manure.
[03:43] <crimsun> it doesn't help that all the major codec manufacturers like to inject their own quirks.
[03:43] <DanaG> Too bad I can't use Realtek drivers on my Sigmatel codec, in XP.
[03:43] <DanaG> :P
[03:44] <DanaG> ooh, /me is glad C-Media exists to create competition for ""Creative"" -- http://www.cmedia.com.tw/
[03:45] <DanaG> !info kvm
[03:45] <DanaG> !info kvm-api-9
[03:45] <word> hmm... any idea what this means - ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:606:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave
[03:45] <ubotu> kvm: Full virtualization on x86 hardware. In component universe, is optional. Version 18-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 475 kB, installed size 1444 kB
[03:45] <ubotu> Package kvm-api-9 does not exist in feisty
[03:47] <vio> when the f*** is feisty rc gonna come out?
[03:47] <linux_kid> If I install the package "kubuntu-desktop", will gdm and the splash screen be changed? And if so, could I stop it from doing that?
[03:47] <DanaG> Dude, don't be rude.  Hey, that rhymed!
[03:47] <DanaG> to vio.
[03:47] <linux_kid> vio, sometime in the next 1-3 days
[03:47] <vio> sweet :)
[03:47] <vio> is the kernel bug-fixed?
[03:48] <vio> im not rude.. just honest
[03:48] <linux_kid> vio, thats is a change of attitude, and i never had a kernel bug...
[03:48] <DanaG> I tried the beta feisty installer on a Dell E1405.  It couldn't start X, even with VESA.
[03:48] <dystopianray> linux_kid: he's referring to the topic
[03:48] <vio> runing beta now.. its stable ..
[03:48] <vio> works great
[03:48] <DanaG> But I dist-upgraded the system directly from dapper, and installing 915resolution worked.
[03:49] <DanaG> However, what would make a system fail to start consoles at all?
[03:49] <linux_kid> dystopianray, i know, but were there "really" BIG problems?
[03:49] <dystopianray> linux_kid: yes, many people could not boot
[03:49] <DanaG> None of the TTYs get set up on that system.
[03:49] <linux_kid> dystopianray, thats not good, im glad i didn't update
[03:49] <`sam`> which kernel would not boot?
[03:50] <crimsun> `sam`: any of the currently available ones, depending on your SATA hardware
[03:50] <pi-meson> I just installed the current-build feisty on a new intel box with a 8800 GTS, and I can get  x working with nv  by booting into "single" and running startx. When I just boot normally, the display goes blank and stays blank. Where should I look to begin debugging this?
[03:50] <`sam`> i'm running 2.6.20-14
[03:50] <vio> 2.6.20-15
[03:51] <`sam`> it isntalled the -15 but ever since upgrading from edgy to feisty it doesn't automatically add the entries to grub
[03:51] <concept10> pi-meson: im having a similar problem... I been working on this all day long
[03:51] <`sam`> also something about hotkey-setup won't install, it's always on the update list and it never does install
[03:51] <concept10> pi-meson: is it a ubuntu-desktop?  (gnome)
[03:51] <crimsun> yuriy: ok, sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo modprobe snd-hda-codec && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=laptop
[03:51] <pi-meson> concept10: I also can't get it to run x at all with the proprietary nvidia driver, but I figure that's my own damn fault
[03:52] <linux_kid> How's KDE in feisty??
[03:52] <crimsun> yuriy: make sure you close/kill all apps using audio first.
[03:52] <pi-meson> concept10: yea, it's a ubuntu desktop
[03:52] <pi-meson> concept10, (that is, the default gnome)
[03:52] <dystopianray> linux_kid: what do you mean?
[03:52] <concept10> pi-meson: im thinking this is a problem with GDM.  I think that this problem creeped in after the GNOME update to 2.18.1
[03:52] <vio> !bugreport
[03:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bugreport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <vio> !bug
[03:53] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:53] <linux_kid> dystopianray, well... i want to run kde along gnome while leaving gdm and the splash alone
[03:53] <vio> is there a known problem that the log-in/out sound doesn't get turned off?
[03:53] <concept10> pi-meson: because like you, I have no problem using startx in recovery mode
[03:53] <crimsun> vio: more precisely?
[03:53] <DanaG> One thing I wish the Ubuntu devs would do: swap the default login and logout sounds.
[03:53] <pi-meson> concept10, I thought it might have to do with the framebuffer device or something -- I have to admit that I'm somewhat out of my league here :)
[03:53] <DanaG> It sounds MUCH better that way to me.
[03:54] <DanaG> Try it yourself and see.
[03:54] <crimsun> DanaG: filed a bug?
[03:54] <noisymouse> I'm trying to connect to my wireless network using iwconfig, but I get "[ 551.551280]  ubuntu/wireless/at76/at76c503.c: 1784: assertion dev->curr_bss == NULL failed
[03:54] <noisymouse> "
[03:54] <concept10> pi-meson: and this is on the same kernel.  Your problem may be different that mine, but I think it's pretty similar.
[03:54] <vio> crimsun: system->pref->sound turned all of them "off" still i get the same anoying sound every time i log-in/out
[03:54] <crimsun> vio: do you mean the login and logout sounds?
[03:54] <vio> yeah
[03:54] <pi-meson> concept10, what happens when you run "gdm" from the console / recovery mode?
[03:54] <crimsun> because I certainly don't get them on a clean install of current 20070414
[03:55] <linux_kid> vio, mute it before you shut down
[03:55] <vio> hmm?
[03:55] <pi-meson> concept10, my GDM starts, lets me log in, complains about no HAL, and goes on as normal
[03:55] <concept10> pi-meson: X is a complicated beast.  Today, I have read the history of X, wikis, man pages, bugzillas and all other types of crap
[03:55] <vio> it says "no Sound"?
[03:55] <DanaG> That's not a solution -- though Apple would have you think otherwise for their bootup sound.
[03:55] <DanaG> the "mute before you shut down".
[03:55] <pi-meson> concept10, yea, I know, I suffered through a lot of this back when I was doing GL stuff (the only reason I've got a stupid nvidia card!)
[03:55] <concept10> pi-meson: are you talking about when you log out of startx and then start gdm?
[03:56] <pi-meson> concept10, well, let me try this again
[03:56] <vio> DanaG: that's a bug..
[03:56] <pi-meson> concept10, just to be sure
[03:56] <concept10> im going to do it too pi-meson
[03:57] <concept10> if this doesnt work, im going to get a six pack and say the hell with GDM
[03:57] <crimsun> sounds like a gnome-session state issue
[03:57] <pi-meson> hey ubuntu devs, thank you for making a distro awesome enough that I'm willing to fight with it :)
[03:57] <crimsun> pi-meson: per note, most of us don't frequent this channel
[03:57] <DanaG> One thing I think is odd:
[03:58] <`sam`> the names of the sounds don't make sense to me, boing doesn't sound like a boing, and the siren doesn't sound like a siren
[03:58] <concept10> \quit
[03:58] <pi-meson> concept10, okay, I reboot into recovery mode, run "gdm" and it works and lets me login, run x normally, etc.
[03:58] <DanaG> controls are orange, wallpaper is light orange-brown, yet the metacity theme is DULL brown.
[03:58] <pi-meson> crimsun, that's okay, it was faintly damning praise :)
[03:58] <yuriy> crimsun: having some trouble figuring out what snd_hda_intel is in use by
[03:58] <DanaG> yuriy: fuser -kv /dev/snd/*
[03:58] <crimsun> yuriy: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
[03:58] <DanaG> oh, same idea.
[03:58] <pi-meson> Is there some way to tell ubuntu to not run the little graphical start-up thingie, but do everything else normally?
[03:59] <vio> yuriy: the hda from intel has been hacked.. lots of "extra" stuff you can turn on.. DD etc etc
[03:59] <yuriy> crimsun: that outputs nothing
[03:59] <crimsun> yuriy: what is modprobe -r returning?
[03:59] <crimsun> i.e., which module is still in use?
[04:00] <yuriy> crimsun: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use.
[04:00] <crimsun> yuriy: you don't happen to be /in/ /proc/asound, do you?
[04:00] <crimsun> i.e., cwd
[04:00] <DanaG> DD?  What DD?
[04:01] <pi-meson> concept10, I think I've got it
[04:01] <yuriy> crimsun: no, but i was in there in yakuake before i logged out..
[04:01] <yuriy> i'm on a vt now
[04:01] <pi-meson> awww, he left
[04:01] <pi-meson> well, for the logs, if you replace "quiet" and "splash" in gdm with "verbose", everything boots up fine
[04:01] <crimsun> yuriy: then just use echo options snd-hda-intel model=laptop|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[04:02] <noisymouse_> Any ideas on my problems with iwconfig?
[04:02] <crimsun> yuriy: when we test additional models, you'll need to edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base manually, then reboot.
[04:03] <yuriy> crimsun: what does the above command do?
[04:03] <yuriy> tee
[04:03] <crimsun> yuriy: because you can't use sudo echo blah >>, you use tee
[04:03] <vio> DanaG: usplash theme?
[04:04] <crimsun> of course, alternately you can use sudo su -c 'echo blah >>' or whatever, but I don't care what you use as long as the change is made
[04:04] <yuriy> crimsun: ok, now what?
[04:04] <yuriy> reboot?
[04:04] <crimsun> sync && reboot
[04:05] <crimsun> I hate ASUS laptops.
[04:06] <wizard> is there going to be a RC of feisty or is it going straight from beta to final?
[04:06] <dystopianray> wizard: there will be an RC
[04:07] <wizard> any dates yet?
[04:07] <dystopianray> wizard: no
[04:07] <yuriy> crimsun: they're nice as a user.. not so nice as a dev?
[04:08] <crimsun> whichever perspective you wish to take.
[04:08] <wizard> crimsun: hopefully my soudn will work in feisty's final
[04:08] <yuriy> of course without all the hard dev-work it wouldn't be so nice
[04:08] <crimsun> RAOF: I'll look at your source package in a bit; I've been away most of the day for a friend's medical emergency.
[04:08] <wizard> otherwise, i think i'v taken up too much of your time with it and i'll end up leaving ubuntu :-(
[04:09] <RAOF> crimsun: Thanks.  Hope they're alright.
[04:09] <crimsun> she's better now, thanks.
[04:09] <crimsun> wizard: can you point me to your lspci -vvn and /proc/asound/card0/codec* ?
[04:10] <word> DanaG: i've been running feisty since the 2nd flight or whatever they're calling it this time ;p
[04:10] <crimsun> word: "Herd".
[04:10] <yuriy> crimsun: rebooted, still not working
[04:10] <crimsun> yuriy: now try 6stack in place of laptop
[04:10] <word> wow...that's what i get for being scrolled up :-/ responding to something 10 minutes ago..
[04:10] <concept10> pi-meson, my system works if I run the recovery kernel and then start gdm as root
[04:11] <concept10> I thought I would never see my sweet, sweet setup again
[04:11] <DanaG> here's where that bad instructions thing I found was:
[04:11] <DanaG> http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:MI8ADQbO_ygJ:www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php%3Fcontent%3D41701%26forummode%3D2%26forumpage%3D0%26forumexplevel%3D2%26PHPSESSID%3D70ce378ba641db053e2e4fbd1cf752fd+krush+menu.lst+site:gnome-look.org&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
[04:11] <concept10> What is the difference between the recovery kernel and the normal one?  Is it the runlevel that it starts?
[04:12] <yuriy> crimsun: changing the model also made the options in alsamixer change
[04:12] <crimsun> concept10: yes, among splash and erbose options.
[04:12] <crimsun> yuriy: yes, expected.
[04:12] <crimsun> concept10: verbose, even.
[04:12] <DanaG> recovery disables framebuffer.
[04:12] <concept10> I like this runlevel, it has fewer processes running
[04:13] <pi-meson> concept10, have you tried disabling "quiet" and "splash" in the grub config and instead using the "verbose" keyword? that fixed it for me
[04:13] <pi-meson> I mean, of course then the restricted-modules installer totally barfed on me and I had to dl the latest driver from the nvidia site, but really that's my own damn fault for having proprietary stuff
[04:14] <crimsun> pi-meson: that simply means your graphics driver, nvidia, is at fault.
[04:14] <pi-meson> crimsun, for which part, the boot?
[04:14] <concept10> pi-meson, I _always_ disable quiet and splash, but I get tired of doing it because every new kernel update puts it back
[04:14] <crimsun> the binary Nvidia drivers have infamously not cooperated with vesafb (or rivafb back in the day) for years
[04:14] <RAOF> concept10: Then fix your menu.list.
[04:14] <pi-meson> crimsun, this is with the x.org "nv" driver, not with the proprietary "nvidia" one
[04:14] <RAOF> concept10: Rather than editing the boot options for each kernel, change your default boot options
[04:15] <DanaG> I wish NVIDIA would, at the very least, make a WORKING accelerated framebuffer driver.
[04:15] <pi-meson> i.e. I had this with a fresh 0-day feisty build
[04:15] <concept10> RAOF, thats where I change it.
[04:15] <concept10> RAOF, you mean make them permanent (update-grub style)
[04:15] <concept10> ?
[04:15] <crimsun> pi-meson: have you removed all traces of l-r-m?
[04:15] <crimsun> concept10: see the KOPTS= line.
[04:16] <DanaG> s/kopts/defopts/
[04:16] <pi-meson> crimsun, this was all before I had -any- of l-r-m installed
[04:16] <RAOF> concept10: Yes.  You change the line "# defoptions=quiet splash" and then everytime update-grub is run, you won't get quiet spash appended.
[04:16] <DanaG> you need to keep it at
[04:16] <DanaG> # defoptions=
[04:16] <DanaG> with nothing after it -- don't remove the line.
[04:16] <concept10> RAOF, thanks.. I need that
[04:17] <`sam`> i think you'd want to remove the # at the beginning
[04:17] <crimsun> `sam`: no, the comment delimiter is required.
[04:17] <crimsun> DanaG: yes, defopts is correct
[04:17] <|NewUser|>  sudo apt-get update
[04:17] <|NewUser|> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:17] <|NewUser|> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[04:17] <|NewUser|> Opps
[04:18] <concept10> I guess when GDM was updated to 2.18.1 and the gdm.conf was installed, it hosed my system.  Im never answering "y" to that debconfig question again!
[04:18] <crimsun> pi-meson: have you reported this on the X.Org bugtracker?
[04:18] <pi-meson> crimsun: well, 1. I wasn't sure whose fault it was and 2. i'm not sure what to report!
[04:19] <|NewUser|> well whts is this ? when i try to update?
[04:20] <yuriy> crimsun: 6stack didn't work
[04:20] <pi-meson> crimsun: okay, i'm going to do a reinstall to verify
[04:20] <pi-meson> crimsun: should I submit a ubuntu bug and let you guys worry about pushing it upstream, or what?
[04:20] <crimsun> yuriy: now try 3stack, then try ultra, then try laptop-eapd
[04:21] <crimsun> pi-meson: whichever is more convenient for you.
[04:21] <crimsun> X.Org is not my responsibility
[04:22] <crimsun> wizard: I'm still waiting on your `lspci -vvn` and `cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*` pastebinned
[04:22] <wizard> crimsun: i need to boot to linux
[04:22] <wizard> crimsun: im sorry, i was out of the room for a moment. Girlfriend giving me some earsmack
[04:22] <wizard> brb
[04:22] <crimsun> poor thing. He's worried about sound when he should fear for his life WRT his girlfriend.
[04:23] <concept10> heh
[04:24] <`sam`> is there a logfile for update manager?
[04:24] <crimsun> stupid people and technology. People are far more important than a shiny new laptop.
[04:24] <crimsun> I'm not calling anyone stupid, just saying that people are obsessed with the wrong priorities.
[04:25] <wizard> crimsun: okay bud, what did you need me to do?
[04:26] <crimsun> 22:22 < crimsun> wizard: I'm still waiting on your `lspci -vvn` and `cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*` pastebinned
[04:27] <|NewUser|> how can i check build-essential package is in my system or not?
[04:28] <wizard> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15727/
[04:28] <crimsun> |NewUser|: dpkg -l build-essential|grep ^ii
[04:29] <wizard> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15728/
[04:29] <wizard> crimsun: there they are
[04:29] <|NewUser|>  dpkg -l build-essential |grep ^ii
[04:29] <|NewUser|> No packages found matching build-essential.
[04:29] <DanaG> Do you usually want -vvnn (2 of 'n' means name-and-number
[04:29] <|NewUser|> crimsun:  that means the package is not in my system?
[04:29] <yuriy> |NewUser|: or just go into synaptic and see if it's checked off as installed, and install it if need be
[04:30] <crimsun> wizard: that's yuriy's precise issue.
[04:30] <yuriy> saw that coming
[04:30] <|NewUser|> yuriy: now just going to use cmd mode :) i like terminal..
[04:30] <crimsun> cf. bug 106669
[04:30] <wizard> crimsun: whats going on?
[04:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 106669 in Ubuntu "No sound after update to 2.6.15-28-386" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106669
[04:30] <crimsun> argh
[04:30] <crimsun> wrong bug
[04:30] <yuriy> bug 105582
[04:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 105582 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sound inaudible for certain ASUS laptops using AD1986* HDA codec(s)" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105582
[04:31] <wizard> crimsun: so theres hope that it'll be fixed before a final feisty release?
[04:31] <crimsun> wizard: absolutely not.
[04:31] <DanaG> Oh, ASUS has Analog-Devices audio?  Sweet, I'll have to remember that next time I go looking for a laptop.
[04:31] <crimsun> wizard: we're less than a week away from final release. Our kernel lead is not going to push untested code at the last minute.
[04:31] <crimsun> DanaG: ASUS uses several HDA codec manufacturers, and all of them require quirks. It's joyous.
[04:32] <yuriy> crimsun: ultra and 3stack don't work
[04:32] <wizard> crimsun: so i am gonna have to leave ubuntu eh?
[04:32] <crimsun> yuriy: and laptop-eapd?
[04:32] <ShackJack> Hi - Any other Feisty users notice that Python is being a little CPU piggy?
[04:32] <yuriy> crimsun: haven't gotten there yet
[04:32] <crimsun> wizard: I'm not sure why one would leave Ubuntu simply because the sound doesn't work.
[04:33] <crimsun> if it doesn't work in Ubuntu, it won't work in a current Linux distribution.
[04:33] <crimsun> you can try an older Linux distribution release that doesn't have these quirk entries
[04:33] <DanaG> Heck, the Feisty kernel is newer than a stock newest (not masked) Gentoo.
[04:33] <wizard> just bums me out that i cant upgrade to the latest version
[04:34] <DanaG> You CAN -- just download and compile alsa-driver yourself.
[04:34] <crimsun> wizard: there's absolutely nothing wrong with not running the latest and greatest.
[04:34] <crimsun> DanaG: it's broken there.
[04:34] <wizard> DanaG: i've already compiled alsa from source
[04:34] <crimsun> we ship the absolute latest code that I've merged
[04:34] <DanaG> Wow.
[04:34] <`sam`> hda is being worked on a lot recently, just look in the kernel changelogs... there's still a lot of stuff that doesn't work, but it's probably being worked on
[04:34] <crimsun> most of the time it's even newer than what Novell/SuSE has.
[04:34] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what is the HG ALSA?
[04:35] <wizard> DanaG: its this simple: kernel -14, -15 are both kinda... well.. they're crap.
[04:35] <word> i got mic decent volumeage to work with hda intel O.O
[04:35] <wizard> DanaG: at least for me they are
[04:35] <ShackJack> Kernel 14 FTW!!!
[04:35] <wizard> DanaG: and i am going to be forced back to -12 or sooner
[04:35] <yoasif> anyone seeing issues with hard drives not mounting?
[04:35] <yuriy> crimsun: hmm... ok i was playing around with the alsamixer (well, kmix) switches with "ultra", and i clicked "external amplifier" several times in frustration and the sound came on
[04:35] <crimsun> DanaG: it's the version control system that we use upstream.
[04:35] <crimsun> yuriy: ok, so ultra /does/ work?
[04:36] <crimsun> man, I love this conflicting information.
[04:36] <wizard> crimsun: should i switch mien to ultra then?? lol
[04:36] <`sam`> is there a log of the output from update manager somewhere?
[04:36] <crimsun> wizard: can you wait a second, please?
[04:36] <yuriy> crimsun: i had played around with the switches with the other models but it didn't help
[04:36] <DanaG> I've heard that kmix is buggy.  Try alsamixer in console.
[04:36] <wizard> crimsun: im just kiddin bro..
[04:36] <wizard> crimsun: just kiddin.
[04:36] <yuriy> crimsun: i guess ultra does work, but it's quirky
[04:36] <yuriy> i don't really know what i did
[04:36] <crimsun> yuriy: "quirky"?
[04:37] <yuriy> crimsun: i mean, at first it didn't work, and i tried the "external amplifer" switch and it didn't help. then i turned it off and on like 3 times and it worked, and now that switch consistently enables/disables the sound
[04:37] <crimsun> /you/ have the laptop. I can't reach across the Internet and mess with your hardware.
[04:38] <crimsun> yuriy: ok, can you at least verify from a cold boot (i.e., power down for 2 minutes, then power back up) that model=ultra works consistently?
[04:39] <yuriy> crimsun: i'll still try laptop-eapd and see if that works since that's the default. and i'll try ultra again too, ok
[04:39] <yoasif> crimsun: you seem to know what you're talking about
[04:39] <crimsun> yuriy: you also need to test that jack sense works.
[04:39] <crimsun> yoasif: I'm the alsa maintainer.
[04:39] <yoasif> ahhh
[04:39] <yoasif> gotcha
[04:39] <yuriy> crimsun: jack sense?
[04:39] <yoasif> i think my problem is related to... xorg or something :/
[04:40] <crimsun> yuriy: speakers mute when headphones are plugged in; speakers unmute when headphones are unplugged
[04:40] <wizard> crimsun: laptop-eapd probably wont work at all tho
[04:40] <yuriy> crimsun: yup, that works
[04:40] <crimsun> yuriy: ok, I'm awaiting your cold boot verification
[04:40] <crimsun> wizard: have you modified /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base at all?
[04:41] <wizard> crimsun: i have before, but as of right now its clean and empty, say fro mtis defeaults
[04:41] <DanaG> At least Gateway made the hardware pins hardware-mute the speakers.
[04:41] <crimsun> wizard: ok, try this:  echo options snd-hda-intel model=ultra|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[04:41] <crimsun> wizard: then, `sync` and reboot
[04:42] <wizard> by "sync" you mean?
[04:42] <crimsun> wizard: a literal command.
[04:42] <crimsun> $ sync
[04:42] <crimsun> $
[04:42] <`sam`> doesn't reboot sync automatically?
[04:43] <crimsun> `sam`: there's no guarantee the journal will flush correctly
[04:43] <`sam`> ok
[04:43] <wizard> crimsun: you want me to reboot the system now?
[04:44] <crimsun> wizard: well, yes, hence the "reboot" :)
[04:44] <wizard> okay :-)
[04:44] <darko> why does lspci say i've an ISA bridge? http://pastebin.ca/440501 (line number 14) i need to know if I need to enable ISA to compile kernel? please help
[04:44] <crimsun> darko: because all i386-based machines do. Welcome to legacy support.
[04:45] <yuriy> crimsun: laptop-eapd does not work
[04:45] <crimsun> yuriy: and "ultra"?
[04:47] <DanaG> Actually, that ISA is LPC -- look LPC up on wikipedia.
[04:47] <wizard> crimsun: no difference
[04:47] <darko> crimsun: hmm.. thats odd.. mines a laptop and and its fairly new.. can you please elaborate? please let me know if i have to enable both PCI and ISA?
[04:47] <wizard> abslutely no sound
[04:48] <yuriy> wizard: now check alsamixer, esp. try playing aroudn with the external amplifier switch
[04:48] <wizard> wtill nothing.
[04:48] <ShackJack> On a semi-unrelated note - does anyone know if a plug-in is available for Rhythmbox that displays your currently playing song in your GAIM status message?
[04:48] <RAOF> darko: Why are you trying to build a kernel, anyway?  Why not just add ISA support anyway?
[04:49] <crimsun> wizard: you have to do it multiple times until it succeeds.
[04:49] <crimsun> that's a codec bug.
[04:49] <bipolar> ShackJack: it would probbly be a Gaim plugin rather then a rythmbox one. I use kde, so I'm no other help for you.
[04:49] <yuriy> crimsun: no sound on cold boot with ultra
[04:50] <yuriy> and not able to get it to work yet..
[04:50] <ShackJack> bipolar - On Amarok it was a amarok plugin script that used DBUS (I think) to push the information... Amarok (python specifically) is being a lil' memory pig, so I'm considering using RBox...
[04:50] <wizard> crimsun: heh yeah this isn't workin bruh
[04:50] <darko> RAOF: i've got trouble with frequency scaling.. so i'm trying to build eveything from default
[04:51] <yuriy> crimsun, wizard: actually, right now headphones are working, speakers aren't
[04:51] <sudo> http://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1
[04:51] <ShackJack> bipolar - makes more sense to push than pull in that situation I would think :)
[04:52] <bipolar> ShackJack: kopete has a plugin to do it.
[04:52] <darko> yuriy: poke around with the sound mixer,, it has specific controlls for headphones and speakers
[04:52] <wizard> crimsun: this doesn't work any lol
[04:52] <RAOF> darko: Perhaps there's a better way to debug your frequency scaling than rebuilding a kernel with an entirely different configuration :)
[04:52] <misfit_toy> ShackJack, try exaile
[04:52] <crimsun> wizard: / yuriy: I'll have another patch for you to test in several hours.
[04:52] <ShackJack> bipolar - thanks - trying to avoid K apps on my GNOMEage... that's interesting though they have it going both ways...
[04:52] <wizard> crimsun: okay.
[04:52] <crimsun> right now I need to return to the hospital.
[04:53] <wizard> crimsun: good luck
[04:53] <yuriy> there are switches for line, cd, phone, aux, mono, mix but i don't know what they're supposed to do
[04:53] <yuriy> crimsun: thanks, hope your friend gets better!
[04:53] <darko> RAOF: I've been searching for weeks and I finally decided that i need to know how the whole thing works.. what better way then getting down and dirty :)
[04:53] <wizard> crimsun: i may just do the inevitable and drop to egdy and deal with bad wireless support.
[04:53] <bipolar> ShackJack: I think the python script is more of a 'hack' where the kopete plugin is done the kde way
[04:53] <ShackJack> misfit_toy: ShackJack - exaile ... is that an IM proggie or the name of the plugin(?)
[04:54] <RAOF> darko: Has anyone tried to help you on IRC?  What have you done on the debugging front?
[04:54] <darko> wizard: you could script your way out if your interfaces are working
[04:54] <misfit_toy> ShackJack, it's like amarok but no kde needed, it's the gnome of amarok
[04:54] <wizard> i may just drop back to edgy and deal.
[04:54] <ShackJack> Erp.. sorry I found it - just slow on the response... is that what you'r using?
[04:54] <yuriy> wizard, crimsun, ok now it works again, still not quite sure what i did
[04:55] <yuriy> wizard: try using headphones and try playing around with the switches and muting/unmuting things
[04:55] <darko> RAOF: I don't know how to debug and stuff.. I'm not a programmer.. I've been to the IRC and everytime I did I ended up helping rather than being helped.. Lack of patience maybe
[04:55] <ShackJack> misfit_toy - that looks just like Amarok - complete with those dumb side tabs :)
[04:55] <ShackJack> misfit_toy - If it uses python though, it's a non-starter...
[04:56] <misfit_toy> ShackJack, it's way less a pig than amarok and way less libs
[04:56] <darko> RAOF: *Not a good programmer that is
[04:56] <RAOF> darko: I didn't mean debugging in the programming sense.  What have you done to try and fix it, or to find out why it's not working?
[04:56] <ShackJack> misfit_toy - you use that yourself? My problem seems to be with python specifically...
[04:57] <ShackJack> misfit_toy - and do you happen to know if it has the aforementioned plugin? (GAIM now playing)
[04:57] <darko> RAOF: I couldn't get documents on how frequency scaling is implimented. All I know is the the shown frequencies were only a subset of the supported frequencies..
[04:58] <InnerFIRE_> does anyone use democracytv?
[04:58] <RAOF> InnerFIRE_: No, but I fixed it for Feisty.
[04:58] <InnerFIRE_> i get an error
[04:58] <RAOF> darko: Ok, (1) How do you know what frequencies are shown, and (2) how do you know what the supported frequencies are?
[04:58] <InnerFIRE_> something about, python 2.5 is needed
[04:59] <InnerFIRE_> mozilla-psm and dev
[04:59] <InnerFIRE_> but 2.5 is already installed
[04:59] <InnerFIRE_> so when it loads up, it takes forever and closes
[04:59] <misfit_toy> ShackJack, I used to use amarok, but I also thought it was bloated, but it used all those kde libs, I use exaile only now, but haven't tried any plugins.
[05:00] <RAOF> InnerFIRE_: The *exact* error message is really required for me to have a good idea of what's going on, but it seems that you're not using the Ubuntu package anyway.  How are you trying to install it?
[05:00] <InnerFIRE_> im using the ubuntu package... i did this install by following the instructions from ubuntuguie.org
[05:00] <InnerFIRE_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:00] <InnerFIRE_>   democracyplayer: Depends: python (< 2.5) but 2.5.1~rc1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[05:00] <InnerFIRE_>                    Depends: mozilla-dev but it is not installable
[05:00] <InnerFIRE_>                    Depends: mozilla-psm but it is not installable
[05:01] <ShackJack> misfit_toy - thanks much for the suggestions - I think I will try it, though I also found my plugin (same guy that made the AMarok one - duh!) http://jon.oberheide.org/projects/gaim-rhythmbox/
[05:01] <darko> (1) cat "the frequencies file" (2) documents and cpu-z on windows
[05:01] <darko> RAOF^^
[05:01] <RAOF> InnerFIRE_: You're *not* using the Ubuntu packages.  The *correct* way to get democracy player to work is to go "sudo aptitude install democracyplayer"
[05:02] <InnerFIRE_> ok, let me do it over
[05:02] <misfit_toy> rhythmbox is just so....stilted, so um ordinary...dunno, but anyway, exaile is very nice.
[05:03] <ShackJack> misfit_toy - yeah, I heard that.... do you know if they have the GAIM plugin thing?
[05:03] <misfit_toy> ShackJack, no idea, I just listen to music with it.
[05:03] <DanaG> Another cool thing for Windows:
[05:03] <DanaG> rmclock.
[05:04] <DanaG> http://rightmark.org
[05:04] <DanaG> go to forums and find the latest version.  Be aware there was a negative version "increase".
[05:04] <RAOF> darko: Ok, so it's not going down as far as you think it should be able to?
[05:05] <darko> RAOF: nope.. 798mhz is the lowest it would go.. 600mhz is the lowest spec
[05:05] <RAOF> darko: Well, probably the best thing to do is to file a bug.
[05:05] <InnerFIRE_> same thing..
[05:05] <darko> RAOF: I will..
[05:05] <DanaG> My system gives 3 frequencies under Linux: 1.00GHz, 1.33GHz, and 1.83GHz.
[05:06] <RAOF> darko: Since you're not a hard-core kernel hacker, it's unlikely that you'll be able to do anything useful with the kernel source :)
[05:06] <InnerFIRE_> WARNING: feed update for: http://del.icio.us/rss/representordie/system:media:video too slow (0.443 secs)
[05:06] <InnerFIRE_> WARNING: feed update for: http://rocketboom.com/vlog/prodigem.xml too slow (0.127 secs)
[05:06] <InnerFIRE_> WARNING: feed update for: http://www.videobomb.com/rss/posts/front too slow (0.298 secs)
[05:06] <InnerFIRE_> gtkAsyncMethod: <function initRenderers at 0x867aed4> took too long: 5.481
[05:06] <InnerFIRE_> downloader: connection closed -- quitting
[05:06] <InnerFIRE_> Shutting down downloaders...
[05:06] <InnerFIRE_> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[05:06] <DanaG> RMClock gives me 1.1-something, 1.5, 1.66, and the rest.
[05:06] <DanaG> Or 1.5 and 1.6, at the very least.
[05:06] <RAOF> InnerFIRE_: So, that's (1) Not the same thing, and (2) should have been pastebinned
[05:07] <InnerFIRE_> ok, it should have been pastebinned, but even with the other installation.. it did the same thing
[05:07] <darko> RAOF: I think it has something to do with acpi and not the kernel itself.. Then again I might be wrong.. and it was working fine under linux a couple of months ago..
[05:07] <yoasif> who knows how to report problems well?
[05:08] <yoasif> ive had an issue with my onboard video for a while now
[05:08] <RAOF> darko: Even better, regressions are easier to fix.  *File a bug*
[05:08] <yoasif> and updates havent fixed it
[05:08] <darko> RAOF: right away..
[05:08] <crdlb> yoasif, what kind of onboard video?
[05:08] <`sam`> i've had a problem with updates and updates haven't fixed it :)
[05:08] <RAOF> InnerFIRE_: Firstly, you're actually running Feisty, right?  Secondly, what version of democracyplayer is installed (you can get that with "aptitude show democracyplayer | grep Version"
[05:09] <yoasif> crdlb: any way to tell easily from the terminal? ;)
[05:09] <InnerFIRE_> i'm running feist
[05:09] <crdlb> yoasif, lspci|grep VGA
[05:09] <yoasif> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51G [GeForce 6100]  (rev a2)
[05:10] <crdlb> yoasif, is it working with nv?
[05:10] <crdlb> just not with nvidia?
[05:10] <InnerFIRE_> Version: 0.9.2.1-2.1ubuntu2
[05:10] <wizard> if i order an ubuntu cd
[05:10] <yoasif> ive tried with nv, i've had issues working with that -- but the issue pervades over nvidia and vesa
[05:10] <yoasif> it's a crashbug
[05:10] <wizard> do i get a tshirt? or a hat? or a plaque? or... a hot blonde?
[05:10] <wizard> or any sort of incentive to not just download it?
[05:11] <yoasif> the screen gets "snowy
[05:11] <yoasif> "
[05:11] <yoasif> with a skew, and multiple images of my screen right before it crashed
[05:11] <iXneonXi> !topic
[05:11] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[05:11] <yoasif> and ssh doesn't work
[05:11] <BrMiHi08> hello
[05:11] <RAOF> InnerFIRE_: Oh, that's odd.  That is the version that worksforme.
[05:12] <iXneonXi> ok
[05:12] <InnerFIRE_> is there an alternative?
[05:12] <BrMiHi08> I am having trouble connecting to my wireless network, I put in the encryption code and everything, and I cannot connect
[05:12] <iXneonXi> Update Manager has tons of updates. Which ones should I steer clear of?
[05:12] <wizard> BrMiHi08: what type of encrpytion is it?
[05:12] <yoasif> crdlb:
[05:12] <yoasif> any ideas
[05:13] <BrMiHi08> 128bit
[05:13] <wizard> BrMiHi08: wep key with hex 128 bit?
[05:13] <RAOF> InnerFIRE_: Can you try with a fresh database/config/etc?  Try "mv ~/.democracy ~/democracy-backup" and then run democracyplayer.
[05:13] <wizard> if so make sure you're network manager of choice doesn't have it set to "Wep passkey" but rather "wep hex" or "wep 128bit"
[05:13] <crdlb> yoasif, no, but you said it crashed with vesa?
[05:13] <BrMiHi08> wizard- yes it is
[05:13] <yoasif> crdlb: yes
[05:13] <crdlb> that's really odd
[05:13] <yoasif> and the thing is, i don't know what is at fault
[05:13] <wizard> BrMiHi08: then make sure its set to use wep Hex not wep passphrase.
[05:14] <yoasif> yeah, it's very very odd, and i don't know how to report it
[05:14] <Consty> What's the best utility application to configure network interfaces?  Should I just edit the files directly in /etc/interfaces?
[05:14] <InnerFIRE_> nope
[05:14] <InnerFIRE_> it says
[05:14] <BrMiHi08> wizard- I am pretty sure that is what I had it set for, but I will try again
[05:14] <InnerFIRE_> DTV: Warning: Can't process cookie expiration: Sun, 15-Apr-07 03:17:51 GMT
[05:14] <wizard> BrMiHi08: wireless is an iffy monster on linux still though. i have the same issues with certain encrpytion.
[05:14] <InnerFIRE_> and the same thing i pasted before happens
[05:15] <BrMiHi08> wizard- 6.06 has worked fine for me, but this is different
[05:15] <InnerFIRE_> could it be the channels ?
[05:15] <InnerFIRE_> i dont know why its saying its to slow of all things
[05:15] <iXneonXi> Are all updates "safe" now?
[05:15] <InnerFIRE_> and even if it is to slow, why would it just close
[05:16] <yoasif> the 27 kernel fixes the weird PATA bugs thankfully
[05:16] <BrMiHi08> wizard: how much of a difference would it make if I just installed it instead of running off of the live DVD?
[05:16] <RAOF> InnerFIRE_: Well, it finishes with a segfault.  Which means something is seriously wrong.
[05:16] <DanaG> Consty: use networkmanager or wifi-radar
[05:17] <Lukian> What device would I find my palm pilot under in Feisty?
[05:17] <BrMiHi08> is the live DVD much different than running off of my hdd?
[05:17] <InnerFIRE_> with the software of the configuration of my system?
[05:17] <Lukian> BrMiHi08, it's slower, as expected :)
[05:17] <BrMiHi08> lukian- but other than that?
[05:17] <InnerFIRE_> i did go from, breezy to dapper to edgy to feisty
[05:18] <Lukian> BrMiHi08, from my experience, it's pretty much the same
[05:18] <BrMiHi08> ok, thanks, I will let you guys know if I get on from linux :)
[05:18] <Consty> DanaG: Isn't that an Gnome app?  I'm using server here.
[05:18] <DanaG> Oh.
[05:19] <InnerFIRE_> what about a different version
[05:19] <philip_> I know that feisty is still in beta (RC now) and all but breakage this late in the release cycle?
[05:20] <Lukian> what's breaking philip_ ? :D
[05:20] <philip_> no idea :)
[05:20] <Lukian> ^ That usually breaks me :(
[05:21] <wizard> all this talk about upgrading
[05:21] <wizard> makes me nervous
[05:21] <wizard> i just want ubuntu to work with sound :-(
[05:23] <feistyman> can anyone suggest a good photo printing program, that lets you print multiple copies of, for example, 4 x 6
[05:23] <crdlb> How common is the sound problem?
[05:23] <philip_> feisty was good to me until network-manager started breaking, and now more reports of things breaking
[05:24] <crdlb> I'm having it too with 15.25
[05:25] <Lukian> success! :o
[05:26] <DanaG> Oh, what would make realloc say "invalid next size"?
[05:26] <DanaG> I'm working on a program, and I'm getting that error. GDB doesn't tell me what line, but I do already know which line it is.
[05:26] <InnerFIRE_> penguintv does it
[05:26] <InnerFIRE_> it shuts down too
[05:26] <InnerFIRE_> wtf
[05:26] <dystopianray> DanaG: is the new size 0?
[05:27] <DanaG> I don't think so, but it is likely smaller than the old size.
[05:28] <InnerFIRE_> this is so dumb, everything on my system works besides democracytv and penguintv
[05:29] <dystopianray> InnerFIRE_: they crash?
[05:29] <InnerFIRE_> RAOF.. is there any dependencies that I may not have
[05:29] <InnerFIRE_> yes
[05:29] <InnerFIRE_> well, they dont start up
[05:29] <InnerFIRE_> they try, but i get a seg fault
[05:29] <crdlb> InnerFIRE_, they both use the same feedparser.py
[05:30] <InnerFIRE_> which means?
[05:30] <crdlb> just an observation
[05:30] <crdlb> considering that's where democracy at least seems to be crashing
[05:31] <InnerFIRE_> what does that mean crdlb
[05:31] <InnerFIRE_> is there something that can be done?
[05:31] <philip_> my kernel is still 20.5-15.20, how come the topic says 20-15.25 is the newest?
[05:32] <dystopianray> InnerFIRE_: feedparser.py is a python script
[05:32] <macd> philip_, you didnt update yet?
[05:32] <philip_> macd, it's fully updated
[05:32] <InnerFIRE_> its obviously working for some people, why wouldnt it work for mine.
[05:32] <macd> 20-15.27 is in the repos, I dont know why you cant upgrade.
[05:32] <dystopianray> philip_: is that the linux-image package version you are giving?
[05:33] <philip_> ok nevermind I see it now :)
[05:34] <philip_> I was looking at the restricted modules
[05:40] <BrMiHi08> Well 6.06 works with my wireless but not 7.04
[05:41] <crdlb> BrMiHi08, what chipset is it?
[05:42] <BrMiHi08> 6.06 is saying TI I think
[05:42] <dystopianray> BrMiHi08: are you using ndiswrapper?
[05:43] <BrMiHi08> I wasn't in 7.04, is it installed on it or do I need to get it?
[05:43] <dystopianray> BrMiHi08: what driver does the card use?
[05:44] <BrMiHi08> where it says "info.linux.driver" it says acx_pci
[05:48] <dystopianray> BrMiHi08: in what way does the wireless not work?
[05:48] <philip_> I'm planning to wipe my current feisty install and reinstall it. Should I wait til it's officially released or should I just download the RC now?
[05:49] <dystopianray> philip_: there is no RC
[05:49] <philip_> what? there's always an RC
[05:49] <philip_> let me read the roadmap real quick
[05:49] <dystopianray> always? currently there is no feisty RC
[05:49] <dystopianray> the roadmap is irrelevant
[05:49] <dystopianray> it doesn't change the facts
[05:50] <dystopianray> philip_: the RC will probalby be availalbe within a few days
[05:51] <philip_> the RC was supposed to be released on April 12th
[05:51] <dystopianray> it is not yet released
[05:51] <philip_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[05:51] <dystopianray> yes I know, but that doesn't reflect reality
[05:51] <philip_> hmm strange
[05:52] <dystopianray> not strange at all
[05:52] <dystopianray> the RC will be ready when it's ready, not when some wiki page says it's ready
[05:52] <philip_> but there are partitions to wipe the CDs to download
[05:52] <philip_> and
[05:58] <voidmage> heh, the whole time I thoguht the rc was out
[05:58] <voidmage> since lsb-release was updated, removing the 'development version' from it
[05:59] <Hobbsee> voidmage: no.  but there are testing images, if you wish to test
[06:01] <macd> Hobbsee, and the kernel works now too ;P
[06:01] <macd> thanks to kyle and ben
[06:02] <dystopianray> macd: does it work for intel-hda yet?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> macd: indeed!
[06:03] <mon^rch> sez the 15 kernel is fixed.... mine stinn won't boot x :/
[06:03] <mon^rch> still
[06:03] <Hobbsee> mon^rch: filed a bug?
[06:03] <dystopianray> mon^rch: at what point does it fail?
[06:03] <macd> mon^rch, are you on -15.27 ?
[06:04] <mon^rch> right now I'm on 14 blah, blah
[06:04] <macd> mon^rch, then dont expect it to work ;)
[06:04] <mon^rch> dystopianray: fails while loading gdm
[06:04] <mon^rch> my 14 kernel works fine, actually
[06:04] <dystopianray> macd: I think he means that he has to use 14 now becuase 15 won't boot
[06:05] <mon^rch> boots okay, just no x
[06:05] <macd> mon^rch, so -14 works, -15 doesnt, make sure your on -15.27 and reconfigure restricted modules then mkinitramfs
[06:05] <macd> that sould solve that
[06:05] <mon^rch> and I tried reconfiguring :/
[06:05] <macd> did you rebuild initramfs ?
[06:06] <mon^rch> don't even know what that is...
[06:06] <mon^rch> please explain
[06:06] <dystopianray> mon^rch: if you boot into recovery mode does 'startx' work to get into X?
[06:06] <mon^rch> havn't tried...
[06:07] <mon^rch> in fact, I've never used recovery mode even once :P
[06:07] <d00d> this is my first time using  Feisty
[06:07] <macd> mon^rch, 'sudo mkinitramfs /boot/
[06:08] <macd> oops
[06:08] <macd> I got cut off
[06:08] <macd> one sec
[06:08] <Hobbsee> d00d: is it working for you?
[06:08] <d00d> 353 updates then ill reboot and get nvidia runing
[06:09] <d00d> Hobbsee, so far so good
[06:09] <Hobbsee> d00d: yay :)
[06:09] <mon^rch> so ther is a 15.27? I only see 15.25 :/
[06:10] <macd> mon^rch, yes, apt-get update and dist-upgrade.
[06:10] <macd> unless your in some far away land, the repos should have it there
[06:11] <d00d> Hobbsee, at 212 :p
[06:11] <d00d> packge #
[06:11] <dystopianray> macd: I cannot see 15.27 either
[06:12] <mon^rch> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:12] <macd> mon^rch,  cd /boot then
[06:12] <macd> sudo mkinitramfs 2.6.20-15-generic -o initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic
[06:13] <macd> unless your amd64 then replace generic with amd64
[06:13] <mon^rch> I'm not using the generic kernel, I'm using the i386 kernel
[06:13] <macd> then replace generic with 386
[06:15] <dystopianray> which repo currently has 2.6.20-15.27 ?
[06:15] <CarlFK> I am doing a feisty alternate netboot install against a local mirror
[06:15] <mon^rch> macd: so what does that "do"?
[06:16] <CarlFK> it errors with [Couldn't download package laptop-detect] 
[06:16] <macd> mon^rch, fixes your gdm.
[06:16] <mon^rch> think it'll work now?
[06:16] <macd> I do
[06:16] <mon^rch> even from doing it from inside the 14 kernel?
[06:17] <CarlFK> and yet I see: Jan 31 11:20:59 debconf: --> SUBST base-installer/debootstrap/info/retrieving SUBST0 laptop-detect
[06:17] <macd> mon^rch, yes, since we specifid the build the map opff the 15 kernel.
[06:17] <CarlFK> 192.168.1.93 - - [14/Apr/2007:22:31:24 -0500]  "GET /ufa/pool/main/l/laptop-detect/laptop-detect_0.12.1-ubuntu4_i386.deb HTTP/1.1" 200 3002 "-" "Wget"
[06:17] <mon^rch> ah,,gotcha
[06:17] <CarlFK> the syslog from that install: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Apr14/b/log/syslog
[06:17] <CarlFK> anyone have a clue why it errored ?
[06:18] <balster_neb> hi, is feisty overall much faster than edgy in doing everything?
[06:18] <dystopianray> CarlFK: did the download complete succesfully?
[06:18] <macd> dystopianray, I now only see -15.25
[06:18] <macd> yet in var/cache/apt/archives I have -15.26
[06:18] <CarlFK> dystopianray: how could I tell?
[06:18] <balster_neb> I just did an edgy to feisty upgrade, and I'm pretty surprised to see how much faster applications launch in particular
[06:19] <dystopianray> CarlFK: I don't know
[06:19] <macd> dystopianray, http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.26_i386.deb
[06:19] <macd> you can download and install that.
[06:19] <dystopianray> macd: what about -15.27?
[06:19] <balster_neb> but I couldn't find any mentions of speed improvements anywhere, so is my imagination?
[06:20] <dystopianray> balster_neb: probably
[06:20] <macd> I suppose I made a mistake.
[06:20] <macd>  so many kernels today
[06:20] <dystopianray> hehe, i did think it a bit strange that you mentioned .27 but I'd not seen any .26
[06:21] <dystopianray> macd: is this kernel supposed to fix the intel-hda issues?
[06:21] <macd> .27 was just a version from kyle
[06:21] <macd> .26 was a version from ben
[06:21] <balster_neb> I especially noticed that OO.o starts up about twice as fast now
[06:21] <macd> .25 is in the repos.
[06:21] <dystopianray> balster_neb: twice as fast? I'm sure you're just imaging it
[06:21] <dystopianray> imagining
[06:21] <macd> dystopianray, I dont see a bug on intel_hda, can you link me to it on launchpad
[06:23] <macd> dystopianray, http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/kernels/feisty/linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.27_i386.deb
[06:23] <macd> Its upto you if you want to use a kernel not in the repos.
[06:23] <balster_neb> dystopianray: I'm less sure about the other apps, but I'm quite certain about openoffice
[06:23] <balster_neb> right after a reboot, opening the same .rtf file on my desktop takes a bit less than 5 seconds
[06:24] <dystopianray> macd: hrrm I'm not sure if there is a bug report, but every 15 minutes somebody comes in here complaining that their intel-hda has no sound
[06:24] <balster_neb> I initially thought that Feisty had OO running in the background like in Windows
[06:25] <mon^rch> okay... that did NOT work... noe this is myfirst time using bitch
[06:25] <macd> dystopianray, well with no bug report, IM not sure how its supposed to get fixed ;)
[06:26] <mon^rch> macd any other ideas?
[06:26] <macd> mon^rch, on another TTY crtl + alt + f2 ) type 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE'
[06:27] <macd> then to switch back to this one crtl alt + f# # = the tty your on now.
[06:27] <dystopianray> macd: from a quick check there seem to be about half a dozen or so bugs reporting the same problem of intel hda not having sound after upgrading from -13 to -14
[06:28] <corey> is it normal for fiesty to take up 95% memory usage at around a day uptime on a 2GB ram system?
[06:28] <macd> dystopianray, does it show up in 'lspci' and it the module loaded 'lsmod | grep intel'
[06:28] <macd> corey, your prolly not reading the usage correctly
[06:28] <dystopianray> macd: I don't currently have intel hda
[06:28] <corey> macd: what do you mean?
[06:28] <CarlFK> dystopianray: glad you asked. wget that .deb form a normal box is freaking out: 23:27:42 (0.00 B/s) - Connection closed at byte 0. Retrying.
[06:28] <dystopianray> corey: most of that is probably disc cache
[06:28] <corey> where can i read more on this?
[06:29] <CarlFK> laptop-detect_0.12.1-ubuntu4_i386.deb.4 has sprung into existence.
[06:29] <dystopianray> CarlFK: ah cool, now you need to find out why that is happening
[06:29] <macd> corey, some of it is committed charge, meaning its not used but its committed to be used.
[06:29] <macd> corey, google 'iunderstanding memmory usage in linux'
[06:29] <macd> -i
[06:29] <corey> ok, so it is normal
[06:29] <mon^rch> macd ok, I did that...
[06:29] <macd> did you get any results?
[06:29] <otix> corey: virtual memory systems are designed to use nearly all system memory
[06:29] <mon^rch> lots...
[06:30] <mon^rch> oops
[06:30] <mon^rch> forgot something
[06:30] <corey> otix: ok, so just because i'm showing 1900+MB memory used, doesn't mean it's really being used, only "slated" to be used eventually?
[06:30] <otix> corey: if your application needs it, then the system will take it back from some less important function
[06:30] <dystopianray> corey: it's being used for disc cache
[06:30] <corey> ok
[06:31] <corey> on a low pririty
[06:31] <CarlFK> dystopianray: seems I shouldn't mount -o loop an .iso before the iso is completely copied. umount/mount fixed it.
[06:31] <corey> priority
[06:31] <corey> well, that's good to know
[06:31] <mon^rch> macd: failed to load the kernal module
[06:31] <corey> thanks for the information
[06:31] <Vuen_> hey guys, i just noticed, apport no longer drives me completely insane by crashing all the time
[06:31] <macd> mon^rch, and you have nvidia graphics?
[06:31] <Vuen_> did they fix it? or was it removed for the release?
[06:31] <otix> corey: it is actually being used for various things: disc cache, applications, other internal system functions etc
[06:31] <mon^rch> yep
[06:31] <dystopianray> corey: if you run 'free -m' the 'used' column in the '+/- buffers/cache' row is your application memory usage
[06:32] <macd> mon^rch, dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy depending on your card.
[06:32] <corey> 238mb
[06:32] <corey> ok, cool
[06:32] <mon^rch> ok, will try
[06:32] <macd> and linux-restricted-modules if you already havent
[06:33] <macd> then you need to rerun the mkinitramfs command from earlier
[06:33] <otix> corey, you can also run top , then enter F m to sort be memory usage
[06:34] <CarlFK> anyone have a preeseed file for edgy that will 'just do it" ?
[06:34] <otix> s/be/by/
[06:34] <LoneShadow> oh new kernel is out :D
[06:34] <mon^rch> macd: failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[06:34] <aldin> hi, cant connect on FTP to public IP... 500 Illegal PORT command
[06:34] <aldin> ftp: bind: Address already in use http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15732/ but i can connect it from localhost
[06:34] <macd> mon^rch, when you just tried to reconfigure nvidia-glx ?
[06:35] <macd> aldin, localhost is a unix socket, IP address are TCP sockets.
[06:36] <aldin> macd, how do i solve this
[06:36] <d00d> Hobbsee, i did all the updates and reboot its taking a longtime to boot up the loading bar is  taking ages :S
[06:36] <mon^rch> macd: yes
[06:36] <aldin> macd, btw i am behind router but forwarded ftp port
[06:37] <dystopianray> aldin: is your isp blocking ftp access?
[06:37] <mon^rch> what the numbers at the end of "restricted-modules"
[06:37] <d00d> Why do i get BusyBox v.1.13
[06:37] <d00d> when i rebooted from the updates
[06:37] <dystopianray> d00d: did you boot into recovery mode?
[06:37] <aldin> dystopianray, no, i just tried on windows with ftplite server
[06:37] <macd> mon^rch, i386? or generic?
[06:38] <d00d> dystopianray, no
[06:38] <d00d> should i?
[06:38] <mon^rch> i386
[06:38] <macd> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20.5-15.20_i386.deb
[06:39] <K`zan> Trying to install drivers for my multi-function printer/scanner/etc. (Brother MFC-3820cn) and trying to install it I get a "can't find package", is there some way to find out what apt-get can't find?  I'm using: apt-get install ./mfc3820cnlpr-1.0.4-1.i386.deb (and the .deb IS there).  TMIA!
[06:40] <K`zan> says: E: Couldn't find package
[06:40] <d00d> weird
[06:40] <d00d> all i did was the updates then rebooted
[06:41] <macd> K`zan, did you download that package from somewhere?
[06:41] <crdlb> K`zan, you're using apt-get when you should be using dpkg
[06:41] <macd> that was my next response ;P
[06:42] <d00d> anyone know any idea ?
[06:44] <K`zan> macd: Yes, from Brothers linux driver page.
[06:44] <macd> K`zan, yeah you just need to sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb'
[06:45] <d00d> when i reboot i get some weird busybox err
[06:45] <K`zan> crdlb: Found the right command (RTFM'd) :-), it seems to want lpd (I think?!?) but the next step is to use a cups wrapper, don't know if lpd and cups can coexist on the same system!???
[06:46] <macd> K`zan, I dont see why not
[06:46] <carutsu_> Hello guys, for some reason Kate wants to open near everything in konqueror, I'm trying to download a .deb and Kate wants to open it
[06:46] <carutsu_> i just can't stop it
[06:46] <K`zan> macd: lpd and cups?
[06:46] <carutsu_> it's a download.php so that it starts automatically and Kate opens it
[06:46] <dystopianray> carutsu_: right click on the link and go to 'save link as...'
[06:47] <macd> K`zan, I dont see why you couldnt
[06:47] <dystopianray> carutsu_: oh, that sounds ilke the webserver is sending the wrong mimetype
[06:47] <carutsu_> mmm
[06:47] <carutsu_> might be
[06:47] <carutsu_> but can't be worked around?
[06:47] <K`zan> macd: Ok will install lpd (already have cups working) when I get back from dinner, thanks very much!
[06:47] <dystopianray> carutsu_: use a different mirror
[06:48] <macd> mon^rch, good luck, I have to get going, its late.
[06:48] <carutsu_> impossible, there's only that mirror u_u, try it for yourself, www.frostwire.com
[06:48] <macd> mon^rch, if its still njot fixed, file a bug plz. http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[06:49] <joshua_> Where should I look for debugging more on the system immediately waking up and giving me the error "HAL failed to hibernate" on a hibernate attempt?
[06:50] <dystopianray> carutsu_: i'm getting a timeout on that server
[06:50] <joshua_>  /var/log/user.log tells me: Apr  9 10:02:42 rebirth gnome-power-manager: (joshua) An unknown error occured code='32' quark='g-exec-error-quark'
[06:50] <carutsu_> dystopianray: weird, should i send you the link again?
[06:51] <Shaddox> Hello everyone, I am having a bit of a problem with my wireless internet.
[06:51] <carutsu_> http://www.frostwire.com/
[06:51] <dystopianray> carutsu_: err.. no, you only just sent it to me 10cm ago
[06:51] <carutsu_> dystopianray: sorry
[06:51] <carutsu_> dystopianray: try it I again i have no problems accesing it
[06:56] <mon^rch> well THAT no gui experience was fun :)
[06:56] <mon^rch> but it still wont boot x
[06:57] <dystopianray> carutsu_: ok i can access it now, it looks like the server is sending the wrong mimetype
[06:57] <K`zan> I'm running /bin/bash but need csh, is there some way to get a script (deb install for my printer driver needs it) to use csh?
[06:57] <K`zan> ****** ERROR: csh is required. ******
[06:58] <FOAD> Change your own shell, run it, then change your own shell back?
[07:00] <K`zan> FOAD: Yep, have to install it first though, just execute /bin/csh and do the dpkg -i and then just exit?
[07:01] <FOAD> Sure.
[07:02] <K`zan> FOAD, that seems to work :-) thanks.
[07:06] <carutsu_> dystopianray: so, I'm totally lost
[07:06] <carutsu_> ?
[07:07] <dystopianray> carutsu_: right click and go to 'save link as' and change the filename to whatever.deb, it should work
[07:07] <carutsu_> even if is a .php?
[07:08] <carutsu_> it's weird, why does konqueror trust the mime instead of the *.whatever
[07:10] <K`zan> How does one unpack a .deb, Brothers engineers have a LOT to learn about linux :-(.
[07:11] <mon^rch> ok, now I can boot to x with the "generic" kernel... no SATA though (still?)
[07:12] <dystopianray> carutsu_: it's not a php file
[07:12] <mon^rch> Mounting /media/sdb1 failed.
[07:12] <mon^rch> Failed to access '/dev/disk/by-uuid/9EB09578B095581B': No such file or directory
[07:12] <Raubkopierer> Morgen...
[07:12] <carutsu_> dystopianray: sorry to ask again but how do I install a .deb?
[07:12] <dystopianray> carutsu_: dpkg -i blah.deb
[07:12] <carutsu_> dpkg or something
[07:12] <Raubkopierer> Ich hab ein Problem mit Ndiswrapper und dem WG111T von Netgear...
[07:12] <carutsu_> thanks
[07:13] <dystopianray> carutsu_: or I think you can right click on the file and it'll install it through synaptic or something, i don't know
[07:13] <Raubkopierer> ojoh... english >.<
[07:13] <mon^rch> shoul bI be filing a bug if I still cant mount one of my drives?
[07:13] <carutsu_> dystopianray: if for any reason is corrupted, is there a any risk?
[07:14] <dystopianray> carutsu_: it wont install if it's corrupted
[07:14] <carutsu_> dystopianray: that's what i though but better safe than sorry, thank you
[07:15] <Raubkopierer> I can install the drivers with Ndiswrapper but then i don't have wlan0 at ifconfig :(
[07:15] <Skuller> am sorry for 'all time favourites' question, but around when will feisty final be out? (range of dates or which week)?
[07:15] <dystopianray> Raubkopierer: is the ndiswrapper module loaded?
[07:15] <dystopianray> Skuller: it'll be released sometime in april
[07:16] <Raubkopierer> dystopianray: yes
[07:16] <jtt> Skuller: april 19th is projected date
[07:16] <Raubkopierer> dystopianray: at usb_core it's listed at lsmod
[07:17] <Skuller> dystopianray: oh...thanx..i am quite anticipating it
[07:20] <wizard> what option would you add to fstab for it to auto-remount shares if they disconnect or get lost when off the network?
[07:21] <mon^rch> still cant see one of my sata... anyone got a hack?
[07:23] <carutsu_> dystopianray: it says is installing it, configuring... then just stops
[07:23] <dystopianray> carutsu_: it hangs?
[07:23] <carutsu_> it seems
[07:23] <carutsu_> no, just stops doesnt hang Konsole
[07:23] <dystopianray> carutsu_: it exists without error?
[07:23] <carutsu_> dystopianray: yes
[07:23] <dystopianray> exits
[07:24] <dystopianray> carutsu_: that is normal
[07:24] <carutsu_> dystopianray: oh!, i tried runing it in konsole, is something releated with the package....
[07:24] <dystopianray> carutsu_: pardon?
[07:24] <carutsu_> it needs a newer JRE
[07:25] <carutsu_> thank you!
[07:29] <UnluckyMan> Does anyone know why my installer won't give me any option to change boot options for feisty?
[07:29] <Raubkopierer> I can install the Drivers with Ndiswrapper but I haven't wlan0 in the ifconfig an the led at the Stick don't blink...
[07:29] <dystopianray> Raubkopierer: are you sure you have installed the correct driver? what does 'ndiswrapper -l' say?
[07:31] <Raubkopierer> dystopianray: yes i'm sure... -l says there are the drivers installed i need...
[07:31] <Raubkopierer> hardware present
[07:43] <sonoftheclayr> Hello everyone! I'm having some partitioning problems, I can't move sda4 (Feisty partion) back into what is empty space
[07:54] <mon^rch> still not seeing my one SATA... I get a "device does not exist" error... :/
[07:56] <mon^rch> and x isn't starting with the 15 kernel, but the 15-generic one does... just cant see the SATA still...
[07:58] <`sam`> i thought they said -15 is the one that people were having problems with, but now it says to update to it
[07:58] <`sam`> i'm using the -14 and it's working fine
[07:58] <mon^rch> agreed... 15 is causing me  some probs :)
[07:59] <`sam`> i haven't tried it, it's installed, but i still booted the -14
[08:00] <mon^rch> but I understood that thewy fixed it.... so I messed around a bit, but was unable to make it work
[08:01] <Hobbsee> `sam`: -14 was the mostly problem one
[08:01] <`sam`> i think maybe it was 2.6.20-15.25 that was a problem and now they have 2.6.20-15.27 or something
[08:02] <`sam`> Hobbsee, well i haven't had any problems booting it, and everything seems to be working ok, what problems were there other than people having problems booting?
[08:02] <mon^rch> yeah, that's what I heard.... but I dont see it in the repos' :/
[08:03] <Shaddo1> Hello everyone
[08:03] <mon^rch> I can't get it to see my HD for starters.... and no x
[08:03] <Shaddo1> Can omeone tell me how to upgrade my Kernel?
[08:03] <`sam`> oh well, don't take my word for anything, i just had oral surgery and am on pain killers lol, so i might be confused
[08:05] <Shaddo1> I need to know how to update my kernel to -15, can someone walk me through it?
[08:06] <shirish> hi guys, is there a  ubuntu cd-testing channel somewhere? I wanna find out some things
[08:06] <mon^rch> I can tell you if you want...... but I upgraded my kernel and have probs Shaddo1
[08:07] <Shaddo1> What problems?
[08:07] <Shaddo1> And how do I ghost my primary IRC nick again?
[08:07] <mon^rch> cant get it to see my sata, and I have no x
[08:07] <crdlb> Shaddo1, /ns ghost nick pass
[08:07] <Shaddo1> /ns ghost Shaddox wobehfo11
[08:07] <Shaddo1> grr.
[08:07] <Shaddo1> now i need to change it.
[08:07] <`sam`> lol
[08:07] <crdlb> lol why didn't that work?
[08:08] <crdlb> try /msg nickserv
[08:08] <`sam`> try /msg nickserv instead of /ns
[08:08] <gils> for the first time ever.  my update manager is completely locked up, cant close it. its stuck....is that common
[08:08] <`sam`> gils, i'm having problems with mine right now too
[08:08] <`sam`> might be the update to update manager
[08:09] <gils> mine is total KO'ed
[08:09] <mon^rch> gils: open a term and type "xkill" moove the skull over the window aND click
[08:09] <gils> thanks i know how to kill it. i want to know why its hanging....!!
[08:09] <Shaddox> There
[08:09] <Shaddox> Everything's fixed, password changed
[08:09] <Shaddox> Stupid IRC. lol
[08:11] <mon^rch> maybe ppl are working too hard...
[08:12] <gils> what does it mean for there is another synaptic running in 'non-interactive' mode
[08:13] <gils> what does it mean if there is another synaptic running in 'non-interactive' mode
[08:15] <robinlinth> the week of april 19?
[08:15] <robinlinth> you mean this week?
[08:16] <Hobbsee> robinlinth: yeah.  probably end of
[08:17] <pavs_> i have this error when trying to install updates how do i fix this? E: dovecot-common: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 89
[08:17] <pavs_> E: dovecot-imapd: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:23] <word> Hi um..every time I run any sort of graphics intensive program...i.e. games... after a random period of time (2 minutes to 4 hours) X crashes, this is the end of the Xorg.0.log file - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15747/
[08:27] <dougb> have most of the kinks been worked out of feisty?
[08:29] <robinlinth> Is it safe to remove totem-mozilla? I mean, it uninstalls ubuntu-desktop which causes problems with the upgrade to Feisty.
[08:29] <`sam`> i'm having problems updating hotkey-setup and problems with update-grub, i get this every time i do any updates: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15749/
[08:30] <carutsu_> see you all
[08:30] <Thib_G> Has someone a problem with his intel HDA soundcard ?
[08:30] <`sam`> i think everybody has problems with hda intel sound cards
[08:30] <Thib_G> I mean, new problems, with recent kernels
[08:31] <Thib_G> I'm trying to fix it, so I need information
[08:31] <`sam`> i don't know, i have onboard hda intel, but i gave up on it and put in my old c-media card
[08:31] <Thib_G> I think I've found the bug, but I'm not sure
[08:31] <`sam`> i'll try the onboard again in a couple years lol
[08:31] <crimsun> Thib_G: more info, please
[08:31] <meff> is there a metapkg for all of feisty's x fonts? need to find one for my 32bit chroot
[08:32] <robinlinth> Is it safe to remove totem-mozilla? I mean, it uninstalls ubuntu-desktop which causes problems with the upgrade to Feisty.
[08:32] <Thib_G> crimsun: Jack sensing has recently been added to 1986A chipstes
[08:32] <Thib_G> but I think it's card dependend, not chipset dependend
[08:32] <Thib_G> So, it works on a special card, and break others which uses the same chipset
[08:34] <crimsun> Thib_G: err, you mean codec revision?
[08:34] <crimsun> there's no concept of specific cards
[08:34] <Thib_G> crimsun: patch_analog.c
[08:34] <crimsun> Thib_G: yes, I know. I maintain it.
[08:35] <Thib_G> crimsun: I think the breakage is about the jack sensing on A1986A cards
[08:35] <Thib_G> Have to disable it or check the specific card for what it has been added
[08:35] <crimsun> Thib_G: "breakage" being?
[08:36] <Thib_G> no sound output at all
[08:36] <Thib_G> but sound input
[08:36] <yuriy> hi
[08:36] <crimsun> Thib_G: I can back it out, but not for feisty.
[08:36] <crimsun> it'll have to be for feisty+1
[08:36] <Thib_G> erf
[08:37] <crimsun> we can apply it for feisty-updates, of course
[08:37] <crimsun> give me a second to log into my git branch
[08:37] <Thib_G> So, Feisty will break something working since dapper beta ? :/
[08:37] <yuriy> heh poor crimsun
[08:38] <crimsun> Thib_G: it's not a critical regression.
[08:38] <Thib_G> it's a quite used onboard chipset...
[08:38] <crimsun> Thib_G: I know that, and it's annoying, but it is /not/ critical.
[08:38] <yuriy> Thib_G: that's what i was thinking too, but heck, we'll live with it
[08:39] <yuriy> annoying for demoing with the live-cd though i guess
[08:39] <yuriy> not that i've actually had a chance to do that
[08:39] <crimsun> as I stated earlier, at this stage, a critical bug is your machine not booting because your kernel fails to drive the SATA controller
[08:40] <Thib_G> I tried to compile the module and replace the old binaries, but there is version mismatch. So, I can't be sure
[08:42] <DreamThief> at least the fixed nvidia sata driver now works correctly and my machine boots.
[08:42] <crimsun> Thib_G: that's 7c726dbd0d2dd4237d9a4c9a64c41821956d8901, correct?
[08:43] <word> Hi um..every time I run any sort of graphics intensive program...i.e. games... after a random period of time (2 minutes to 4 hours) X crashes, this is the end of the Xorg.0.log file - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15747/ using beryl seems to accelerate the problem..which would make sense since it is graphics intensive as well...any ideas? :-/
[08:44] <Thib_G> crimsun: hum ? Please give me the full URL, I am not familiar with the git
[08:44] <shirish> guys anybody here who knows how to work with rsync?
[08:45] <crimsun> Thib_G: http://hera.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-feisty.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c726dbd0d2dd4237d9a4c9a64c41821956d8901
[08:45] <Thib_G> crimsun: yeah, it's
[08:45] <crimsun> I can see how it would fail for older 1986A
[08:46] <Thib_G> ultra implementation and mic boost should'nt cause anything
[08:46] <DreamThief> is there any workaround to get the nvidia-driver (no matter if glx-new or glx regular) working again with the newest kernel and its corresponding restricted modules?
[08:46] <crimsun> since 0x1a is used not just for input
[08:46] <Thib_G> but jack sensing is used for _all_ 1986A_LAPTOP_EAPD
[08:46] <crimsun> on the other hand, 0x1a should be flipped unconditionally regardless
[08:47] <Thib_G> ( I'm using a 1986A_LAPTOP_EAPD on my ASUS laptop )
[08:47] <crimsun> Thib_G: yes, but only for a certain revision of that codec
[08:47] <crimsun> I can revert that commit, and it'll break others
[08:47] <crimsun> so the question is - who wants his sound to work out of the box?
[08:48] <Thib_G> me :P
[08:48] <crimsun> obviously
[08:48] <Thib_G> I don't say you have to revert it
[08:48] <crimsun> this is intractable for feisty
[08:48] <meff> is there a metapkg for all of feisty's x fonts? need to find one for my 32bit chroot please
[08:48] <Thib_G> but test the exact soundcard for the jack sensing thing
[08:48] <crimsun> I simply do not have time and authority to push a kernel out with everyone's pet bug fixed
[08:49] <word> is feisty going to be an LTS?
[08:49] <dystopianray> word: no
[08:49] <crimsun> word: no, neither will feisty+1
[08:49] <word> ah, ok
[08:49] <crimsun> Thib_G: I'll revert it in a local branch and generate modules against -15.27. Please wait 10 minutes.
[08:49] <shirish> dystopianray: crimsun: either of you know how to setup rsync for downloading the diffs. of latest feisty images?
[08:51] <dystopianray> shirish: is there a server holding images that has rsync facilities?
[08:51] <budluva> anyone here having a problem burning a disc in dvdauthor?
[08:51] <shirish> dystopianray: I downloaded the 14/04/07 image from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:52] <shirish> dystopianray: i wanna just set it up, so I can download the updated version when ubuntu updates it to the next thing.
[08:52] <shirish> the next live cd
[08:52] <dystopianray> shirish: does the server you downloaded the livecd from provide rsync services?
[08:52] <Thib_G> yuriy: can you say me the exact model of your soundcard ?
[08:52] <shirish> dystopianray: seems so, just a moment, I'll give u the page
[08:54] <crimsun> Thib_G: his /proc/asound/card0/codec* is available in bug 105582
[08:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 105582 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sound inaudible for certain ASUS laptops using AD1986* HDA codec(s)" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105582
[08:54] <shirish> dystopianray: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201 see there is this nice sample script, but do not understand the details
[08:54] <Thib_G> hm ok
[08:55] <dystopianray> shirish: link to the thread
[08:55] <Thib_G> it's the same
[08:55] <shirish> dystopianray: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=386269
[08:56] <dystopianray> shirish: looks like he just has it as a cron job
[08:57] <dystopianray> shirish: change the directories to what you want and modify the url to get ubuntu instead of kubuntu if you want
[08:57] <shirish> dystopianray: is there some way I can do it so I can call it, as there are times when I may be doing updates
[08:58] <dystopianray> shirish: yeah turn it into a shell script
[08:58] <shirish> dystopianray: ok how do i do that, can u help me with that?
[08:59] <dystopianray> shirish: i'm not sure why you'd bother with all this, those images will only be updated once per day at most
[09:00] <dystopianray> shirish: the second post in the thread has a script you can use
[09:00] <dystopianray> shirish: copy it into a text file and chmod it executable
[09:01] <shirish> dystopianray: ok I am trying to do it, first lemme change the stuff to what I think is appropriate, pastebin it & then run it by you so u can tell me if I am doing anything wrong , is that ok
[09:01] <crimsun> Thib_G: / yuriy: http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/snd-hda-codec.ko and http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/snd-hda-intel.ko
[09:01] <crimsun> $ sha1sum *.ko
[09:01] <crimsun> 30296823b2e995c4deafdc5dad21a1944b0704ad  snd-hda-codec.ko
[09:01] <crimsun> d26c67c9d6d2f1177dfa36575c2150dc305359a1  snd-hda-intel.ko
[09:02] <dystopianray> shirish: ah yeah i guess
[09:02] <word> Every time I run any sort of graphics intensive program...i.e. games... after a random period of time (2 minutes to 4 hours) X crashes, this is the end of the Xorg.0.log file - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15747/ using beryl seems to accelerate the problem..which would make sense since it is graphics intensive as well...anyone? :-/
[09:02] <crimsun> Thib_G: / yuriy: replace the versions in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/ with the above
[09:03] <dystopianray> crimsun: that module fixes the no sound issue?
[09:03] <crimsun> Thib_G: / yuriy: kill all apps using the audio device, unload snd-hda-intel and snd-hda-codec, depmod -e, and modprobe snd-hda-intel
[09:03] <yuriy> crimsun: should i then remove the model= line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?
[09:03] <crimsun> yuriy: please remove that line before loading the new snd-hda-intel
[09:04] <Thib_G> crimsun: it's now working fine
[09:04] <crimsun> Thib_G: thanks for your feedback
[09:04] <Thib_G> inserting this modules instead of the official ones cause sound output to work fine
[09:05] <crimsun> now I get to listen to people scream that their newer AD1986As don't work, but whatever
[09:06] <yuriy> crimsun: you mean you're uploading this version?
[09:06] <crimsun> yuriy: I'll push it to our kernel lead, but whether it's applied for feisty final is not my decision
[09:07] <crimsun> http://pastebin.ca/440716
[09:07] <yuriy> crimsun: well _my_ (biased) reasoning to have support for the older rather than the newer is just that i didn't realize that new drivers can even be added that late in the release cycle
[09:08] <word> crimsun: know anything about why mic input might be horridly quiet with hda-intel? :-/
[09:08] <crimsun> word: your SSID needs a quirk added?
[09:08] <shirish> dystopianray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15755/ an effort
[09:09] <crimsun> word: essentially, your codec manufacturer sucks.
[09:09] <word> nice
[09:09] <yuriy> which is intel or s/o else?
[09:09] <crimsun> yuriy: it's not an entirely new driver. It's a specific hack for a newer revision of that codec.
[09:09] <shirish> dystopianray: this is the path http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[09:09] <dystopianray> shirish: yeah it looks ok
[09:10] <shirish> so how do I do it now?
[09:10] <crimsun> yuriy: no, Intel just happens to have its name attached to the /spec/ . Manufacturers like Realtek, Analog Devices, Sigmatel, Conexant, etc., are to blame.
[09:10] <dystopianray> shirish: refresh the pastebin
[09:10] <word> crimsun: well...following a mix of 40 or so suggestions...i managed to get it working great...until memory leak of doom froze X....
[09:11] <shirish> dystopianray: refreshed
[09:11] <dystopianray> shirish: copy that into a text file then chmod it +x
[09:11] <dystopianray> shirish: then you can run it
[09:12] <shirish> dystopianray: so i should say make it rsync.txt or rsync.sh & do chmod+x
[09:12] <dystopianray> shirish: yes
[09:13] <yuriy> crimsun: the replaced modules work :) thanks for all your help
[09:17] <Thib_G> crimsun: Just deleting the jack sensoring thing will work for newer cards too
[09:18] <Thib_G> but the specific card won't be able to switch easily from jack to internal speaker
[09:18] <crimsun> Thib_G: it doesn't work for newer hardware, but I'm not concerned about that right this moment.
[09:18] <crimsun> I'm attempting to avoid regressions as much as possible
[09:19] <Thib_G> the patch contained not only jack sensing additions, but ultra model support too
[09:19] <crimsun> no it didn't
[09:19] <Thib_G> re-enabling this one should'nt cause any problem
[09:19] <crimsun> it only added a codec revision-specific hack for newer revisions
[09:19] <Thib_G> ok
[09:21] <crimsun> I've just been told by the release manager that it's too late for feisty.
[09:21] <crimsun> 03:19 < Mithrandir> crimsun: too late, but it should go into an SRU
[09:21] <crimsun> 03:20 < crimsun> Mithrandir: whatever you guys [have]  decide[d] 
[09:21] <crimsun> 03:21 < Mithrandir> crimsun: sorry. :-/
[09:22] <crimsun> I'll leave those modules posted until the SRU kernel is available.
[09:22] <Thib_G> SRU ?
[09:22] <dystopianray> SRU?
[09:22] <crimsun> stable release updates.
[09:22] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:23] <Thib_G> ok, so, it won't be include into Feisty at the starting, but it'll be added with an upgrade ?
[09:23] <crimsun> correct.
[09:23] <yuriy> good night, thanks again crimsun for working on it
[09:23] <Thib_G> thanks alot crimsun, that's good :)
[09:23] <crimsun> I apologise that it won't work out of the box (OOTB) for everyone, but this one's beyond my control.
[09:24] <`sam`> who was having problems with the -15 kernel detecting their drive?
[09:27] <`sam`> mon^rch, you there?
[09:28] <harrisony> can someone tell me why the RC was delayed.
[09:29] <Thib_G> harrisony: network manager and kernel bugs
[09:29] <dystopianray> harrisony: kernel problems
[09:31] <harrisony> ahh...hmm...does anyone have a link to the specfic kernel bugs
[09:31] <crimsun> !breakage >harrisony
[09:31] <meff> question.. does the install dvd (before i download one) have install methods for desktop, alternative AND server?
 Sorry, I don't know anything about breakage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi ...the topic says tha kernel is fixed which makes me wonder if the issues with the kernel are resolved
[09:33] <dystopianray> harrisony: yes they are resolved
[09:34] <`sam`> i think some people were having problems with the -15 kernel detecting their SATA drives
[09:34] <harrisony> hmmm.....although i do have a SATA drive which makes me a bit worried
[09:35] <meff> hm
[09:35] <`sam`> the version in the repos is 2.6.20-15.25 but i found this on the ubuntu-devel list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023555.html
[09:35] <`sam`> and that link on that page has 2.6.20-15.26 for testing
[09:35] <meff> im on a p-d 830 3ghz dualcore, asus p5ld2 w/ intel chipset, two WDC SATA (500, 320) .. no kernels yet have broken on me
[09:35] <benh> feisty powerpc64-smp kernel blows up when moving the mouse in console mode
[09:36] <benh> (no X not gpm loaded)
[09:36] <benh> weird thing is that apt won't get me anything newer than 2.6.20.15.14 while archives/pool contains apparently something much more recent
[09:37] <dystopianray> benh: you're looking at the wrong package
[09:37] <benh> dystopianray: I'm always confused with the kernel packages in debian based distro :-)
[09:37] <benh> dystopianray: what should I be looking at ?
[09:37] <dystopianray> benh: 2.6.20-15.25 is referring to the linux-image package
[09:37] <benh> dystopianray: doesn't that contain the kernel ?
[09:38] <dystopianray> benh: yes
[09:38] <crimsun> benh: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.20-15-powerpc-smp
[09:38] <benh> Version: 2.6.20.15.14
[09:38] <crimsun> right, that's the placeholder package
[09:39] <benh>   Installed: 2.6.20-15.25
[09:39] <benh>   Candidate: 2.6.20-15.25
[09:39] <benh> ok
[09:39] <benh> I see
[09:39] <crimsun> benh: please repeat in -kernel
[09:39] <crimsun> although BenC's likely asleep
[09:43] <dystopianray> when does development on gutsy gibbon start?
[09:44] <harrisony> dystopianray: any time now
[09:44] <harrisony> it should be
[09:44] <rsthree> is that the name?
[09:44] <rsthree> for real?
[09:44] <dystopianray> rsthree: yes
[09:44] <rsthree> oh my.
[09:45] <rsthree> the names just get more and more...exuberant
[09:46] <crimsun> dystopianray: well, feisty has to release first...
[09:46] <meff> im still waiting for junky jakalope
[09:46] <meff> or something
[09:46] <meff> :P
[09:46] <rsthree> haha
[09:47] <crimsun> 'h', 'i', 'j'. So at least three releases away, meff.
[09:47] <meff> :)
[09:48] <meff> horny hare
[09:48] <meff> lol
[10:01] <Lynoure> ever since the last kernel my WPA problems seem to also cause link up and link down on my wired connection
[10:01] <Lynoure> That's kind of absurd...
[10:03] <Lynoure> Let's see if disabling wireless helps with that...
[10:04] <tapas> is there a way to rate limit the downloads of apt-get?
[10:05] <tapas> [so that i can make the network stay usable while doing apt-get upgrade ;)] 
[10:05] <Lynoure> hmm, disabling wireless seemed to help. annoying new developement.
[10:06] <zaggynl> Is there something like freeware Acronis for Linux? I made a backup with acronis, and I want to put back individual files
[10:06] <zaggynl> tapas, try trickle
[10:06] <shirish> is anybody having trouble with gnome-terminal. Typing 'x' without the quotes causes the gnome-terminal to open another instance of itself
[10:07] <zaggynl> zaggynl@AMD3200L:~$ x \n bash: x: command not found
[10:07] <shirish> zaggynl: how can I know what is causing this then?
[10:07] <tapas> zaggynl: having a look
[10:07] <zaggynl> shirish, no clue, sorry :(
[10:08] <shirish> anybody has any idea how i can find out which terminal/bash I am using
[10:08] <dougb> i have a question. if a bug fix is committed, how long does it usually take for the fix to show up in the system updates?
[10:08] <crimsun> shirish: err, well, `tty`
[10:09] <zaggynl> !media
[10:09] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[10:09] <zaggynl> !codecs
[10:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:09] <crimsun> shirish: as for shell, check `getent passwd $USER|awk -F: '{print $7}'` to start
[10:10] <valehru> shirish, nope
[10:10] <valehru> shirish, and im on a fresh install with all the updates
[10:10] <valehru> !breakage
[10:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about breakage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:10] <zaggynl> how should I obtain codecs in feisty? add repo and install? or is there a frontend for it
[10:10] <tapas> ~$ sudo trickle -d 100 apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:10] <tapas> Password:
[10:10] <tapas> trickle: Could not reach trickled, working independently: No such file or directory
[10:10] <tapas> oh well
[10:10] <zaggynl> tapas, that's normal :), you can ignore it
[10:10] <dystopianray> zaggynl: when you play a file it should bring up a dialog allowing you to install the necessary codecs
[10:11] <tapas> zaggynl: ok.. i might send a mail about this to the author. highly confusing
[10:11] <shirish> crimsun : what was that "getent passwd $USER|awk -F: '{print $7}"
[10:11] <shirish> crimsun: I am on the gui, and doing chsh showed me I am running /bin/bash
[10:11] <tapas> zaggynl: hah, it kinda works.. thanks a bunch :)
[10:11] <zaggynl> dystopianray, I tried adding my music folder in rhythmbox, but it didn't show anything
[10:11] <tapas> zaggynl: this solves quite a few problems for  me
[10:11] <tapas> awesome
[10:11] <zaggynl> I hope it works out :)
[10:11] <dystopianray> zaggynl: did you try playing one of the music files?
[10:12] <rsthree> zaggynl, i found trying to open an individual file in totem works fine
[10:12] <zaggynl> nope
[10:12] <rsthree> (for prompting codec installation that is)
[10:12] <shirish> crimsun: any ideas which files can influence bash's behaviour?
[10:12] <zaggynl> I found something in the wiki
[10:13] <shirish> zaggynl: for me, did u find something?
[10:13] <zaggynl> shirish, the wiki told me I could add them codecs etc with add/remove :)
[10:14] <shirish> zaggynl: yup, somebody was asking about them but not me
[10:14] <zaggynl> ubuntu became easier indeed :o
[10:14] <crimsun> shirish: to what are you referring?
[10:14] <crimsun> shirish: ~/.profile, ~/.bash* - that sort?
[10:14] <shirish> crimsun: yes
[10:14] <crimsun> shirish: ok, the bash man page lists those.
[10:17] <zaggynl> hmm
[10:17] <zaggynl> !hotkeys
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hotkeys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <zaggynl> !hotkey
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hotkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:18] <zaggynl> I'm looking at 'Keyboard Shortcuts', and I don't understand what 0xae means and all that
[10:18] <zaggynl> Isn't that hexidecimal?
[10:19] <dystopianray> zaggynl: yes it is
[10:19] <dougb> anyone know how long it takes to see the effects of a bug fix that has been committed?
[10:19] <dystopianray> dougb: which bug?
[10:20] <dougb> oh wait, it might not be the same fix
[10:21] <dougb> i have lost all sound in feisty, and i'm using an nvidia HDA card.  sndstat calls it "0: Conexant CX20549 (Venice)"
[10:22] <dystopianray> dougb: there is a known issue with intel-hda that will be fixed in an update after feisty is released
[10:22] <crimsun> dougb: eh?
[10:22] <dougb> well...
[10:22] <dougb> my mobo is ati, but it's an nvidia chipset
[10:22] <crimsun> dystopianray: no, that's only for AD1986A-driven HDA.
[10:23] <dougb> alsa calls the sound card "nvidia HDA"
[10:23] <crimsun> dougb uses a Conexant HDA codec, not an Analog Devices one.
[10:23] <dystopianray> oh
[10:23] <dougb> it shows two.  the alsa is "HDA NVidia" and the OSS is "Conexant CX20549 (Venice)"
[10:23] <dystopianray> with the amount of people complaining about intel-hda i thought they were all broke
[10:24] <dougb> if i switch it to Conexant CX20549 (Venice), i get the same issue, but i dont know if I have to restart my computer to restart alsa if i make those changes
[10:24] <crimsun> dystopianray: heh, it's easy to think that.
[10:24] <crimsun> dougb: no, that's only a perspective difference. There's no actual change.
[10:24] <dougb> ok
[10:24] <crimsun> the former is the ALSA perspective, the latter is the OSS emulated perspective (also provided by ALSA)
[10:24] <dougb> ok
[10:25] <dougb> i'm surprised that the bug hasn't been brought up before though
[10:25] <dougb> its not like my laptop isn't rare, it's a Compaq Presario v3000 series
[10:25] <crimsun> dougb: I'm still waiting on a precise definition of the bug you're seeing
[10:25] <dougb> the bug i'm seeing is that ubuntu detects the hardware as it should
[10:25] <dougb> but i'm not hearing any sound whatsoever
[10:26] <crimsun> so - "inaudible sound".
[10:26] <dougb> in the earlier versions of feisty, and any other distro, i would hear sound
[10:26] <dougb> yup
[10:26] <crimsun> pastebin your /proc/asound/card0/codec*
[10:26] <dystopianray> sounds exactly the same as all the other intel-hda issues that people have been complaining about
[10:26] <crimsun> dystopianray: except it's most definitely not the same.
[10:26] <crimsun> it's the same /symptom/, but the causes are very different.
[10:27] <crimsun> it's pretty apparent once you see how alsa works.
[10:27] <dougb> crimsun: what exactly do you want me to run?
[10:27] <crimsun> your sound chipset has a codec and a dsp. The dsp is rather uninteresting. We care about the codec.
[10:27] <crimsun> Guess where the quirks are?
[10:27] <crimsun> dougb: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*
[10:27] <crimsun> dougb: then pastebin that output
[10:28] <dougb> ok
[10:29] <dougb> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15763/
[10:29] <zaggynl> My time is all wrong, I set it up to sync with internet servers, but it's still wrong
[10:29] <zaggynl> !time
[10:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <meff> !ntp
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <meff> heh
[10:30] <dystopianray> zaggynl: is your timezone correct?
[10:30] <dystopianray> zaggynl: have you been dual booting with windows?
[10:30] <zaggynl> It's set to Europe/Amsterdam
[10:30] <zaggynl> I am dual booting
[10:31] <dystopianray> windows is screwing up your clock
[10:31] <zaggynl> D:
[10:31] <zaggynl> hmmkay, but why won't ubuntu sync then?
[10:31] <dystopianray> zaggynl: by default it syncs the time everytime a network interfaces is started
[10:32] <zaggynl> I can't click the 'sync now' button as well
[10:32] <dystopianray> zaggynl: if you are running ntp-server, try stopping it and running $ sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[10:32] <zaggynl> okay
[10:32] <MolePrince> Hello!
[10:32] <MolePrince> Is Feisty stable enough to run from the beta now or should I wait for the release next week?
[10:32] <crimsun> dougb: you need a quirk added, probably.
[10:33] <zaggynl> dystopianray, apparently I'm not
[10:33] <dougb> crimsun: something to note is that when i plug my headphones into the jack, i hear the electric feedback
[10:33] <dystopianray> MolePrince: wait for the release
[10:33] <crimsun> dougb: sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel
[10:33] <MolePrince> Do you know anything about its Zydas [zd1211]  support?
[10:33] <MolePrince> Debian Etch's is a bit sketchy right now.
[10:34] <crimsun> dougb: after that completes successfully (it should just return you to a prompt), sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=laptop
[10:35] <dougb> even though its not an intel chipset?
[10:35] <dougb> not even an intel proc?
[10:36] <dougb> brb, i need to get into CLI to do this
[10:37] <crimsun> ok, as I stated earlier, Intel's name is attached to the specification. The company has (un)surprisingly very little to do with the various manufacturers' implementations.
[10:37] <dystopianray> does any intel-hda hardware work properly?
[10:38] <RAOF> dystopianray: Yup, mine does.
[10:38] <dougb> whenever i try it, it says its in use
[10:38] <crimsun> so - you will have a Realtek codec (ALCxxx, in sound/pci/hda/patch_realtek.c), an Analog Devices (AD*, in sound/pci/hda/patch_analog.c), an Conexant (in sound/pci/hda/patch_conexant.c), a Sigmatel (STAC92xx, in sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c), or various others
[10:38] <dougb> even when i go to CLI by doing ctrl+alt+F3
[10:39] <crimsun> dougb: so close whatever's using it.
[10:39] <dougb> i'll try closing gaim
[10:39] <crimsun> kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*)
[10:39] <beanie> hihi
[10:40] <dougb> that didn't do anything
[10:40] <dougb> closing gaim i mean
[10:40] <jmhodges> anyone else have the title bars of their gnome apps disappear in the last update?
[10:40] <crimsun> 04:39 < crimsun> kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*)
[10:41] <dougb> ok thanks
[10:41] <dougb> it was the volume control haha
[10:41] <dougb> thank you
[10:42] <crimsun> np
[10:42] <crimsun> so - sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=laptop
[10:42] <dougb> yeah
[10:42] <dougb> that didn't do anything
[10:42] <crimsun> meaning...?
[10:43] <meff> try your sound again
[10:43] <dougb> i did
[10:43] <dougb> i still get absolutely nothing
[10:43] <meff> alot of nix commands dont return anything unless there is an error.. :)
[10:43] <crimsun> dougb: did you check the mixer controls?
[10:43] <crimsun> unless you have a /severe/ codec bug, the levels should be reset to 0
[10:43] <meff> in term try alsamixer
[10:43] <meff> unmute master
[10:44] <meff> jack master and pcm up
[10:44] <dougb> everything is up
[10:44] <crimsun> dougb: pastebin ``amixer -c0''
[10:44] <jmhodges> hunh, even gnome-keybinding-properties segfaults
[10:44] <jmhodges> weird
[10:45] <jmhodges> nautilus works, gnome panel works..
[10:45] <dougb> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15764/
[10:47] <jmhodges> for the life of me i cannot figure it out
[10:48] <jmhodges> ah, it looks like its dumping right after it opens /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/D/DejaVu-sans.ttf..
[10:50] <atiredmachine> Hey, if I did something stupid like delete my /etc/apache2 folder, is there anything I can do to get apache to work again?
[10:50] <crimsun> dougb: which Pavilion is this?
[10:50] <crimsun> dougb: and are you running the latest bios for it, if necessary?
[10:50] <dougb> v3000
[10:50] <dougb> i am running the latest bios
[10:50] <jmhodges> if i move the dejavu link away, it still crashes on BitStream Vera
[10:50] <LegolasV> atiredmachine: I guess a backup or reinstall apache2?
[10:50] <dougb> i guess it could have something to do with it...
[10:50] <RAOF> atiredmachine: Reinstalling apache should work :)
[10:50] <jmhodges> either it doesnt like TTF files, or well.. i dont know
[10:51] <atiredmachine> LegolaxV, that's what I had hoped would solve it, but it never recreates that folder or the files that are supposed to go in it.
[10:51] <dougb> maybe i have an executable of the older bios versions, but i dont think wine can pull off something as big as running a program that edits my bios
[10:52] <crimsun> oh, compaq.
[10:52] <dougb> the betas used to work
[10:52] <crimsun> I wonder just how different that is. You have the exact same codec I do.
[10:52] <dougb> dapper works, any other distro i put on this thing works
[10:52] <LegolasV> atiredmachine: even when you force it to reinstall it completely? (which command did you use?)
[10:53] <crimsun> meaning we have precisely identical sound hardware
[10:53] <atiredmachine> LegolaxV, I've used sudo apt-get install apache2
[10:53] <dougb> the last time under feisty it worked was when i upgraded from edgy to feisty
[10:53] <atiredmachine> and i've done sudo apt-get remove apache2 first
[10:53] <crimsun> oh wait
[10:53] <dougb> crimsun: did you upgrade from edgy?
[10:54] <RAOF> atiredmachine: You can "sudo aptitude purge apache2", follwed by installing it.  That *should* recreate the config, I think
[10:54] <crimsun> dougb: no, I installed clean.
[10:54] <crimsun> dougb: It doesn't matter for a fresh load, though.
[10:54] <dougb> ok just making sure
[10:55] <LegolasV> RAOF: isn't there also something like "sudo aptitude reinstall apache2"?
[10:55] <crimsun> dougb: so, we have the same codec but different dsps.
[10:55] <dougb> it must have broke after 2.6.20-13
[10:55] <crimsun> dougb: can you get me /proc/asound/card0/codec* output for a broken kernel and a working one?
[10:55] <crimsun> dougb: make sure the amixer settings between the two are /identical/
[10:55] <RAOF> LegolasV: Yup, but he's already tried that.  Purging all knowledge of the package should make sure it gets reconfigured.
[10:55] <dougb> i dont think i could, i just installed fresh tonight
[10:56] <dougb> and the kernel it came with had broken sound as well
[10:56] <LegolasV> RAOF: ah, I see.
[10:56] <LegolasV> RAOF: thought reinstall used purge
[11:00] <jmhodges> okay, i've narrowed it down to a problem in the font code
[11:00] <jmhodges> and i know there was a font-related package that was updated last night
[11:00] <jmhodges> hmm
[11:01] <dougb> i'm lost of what to do
[11:01] <dougb> i guess i could always try another distro.  it's a shame to leave ubuntu though
[11:01] <DreamThief> RAOF,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure apache2 should help, too
[11:01] <dystopianray> ooh, 2.6.20-15.26 and .27
[11:02] <jmhodges> hey, i cant seem to google up the mailing list that all of the feisty upgrades are posted to. anyone have a link?
[11:02] <dystopianray> jmhodges: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/date.html
[11:03] <jmhodges> thanks dystopianray
[11:05] <stevethepirate> please help!! i just sudo apt-get'ed nvidia-glx [according to a guide i found on teh interwebs...]  but when i restarted x it crashed and says "FATAL (EE): NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[11:05] <atiredmachine> RAOF and LegolasV, thanks, that totally worked!
[11:05] <atiredmachine> exit
[11:06] <stevethepirate> anyone?
[11:06] <dougb> stevethepirate: it looks like the kernel-restricted package wasn't installed for the kernel
[11:06] <dystopianray> stevethepirate: do you have the correct restricted-modules package for your kernel?
[11:07] <stevethepirate> yeah.. my card is on the non-legacy list.
[11:07] <jmhodges> damn, i just cannot find the package
[11:07] <dystopianray> jmhodges: what package?
[11:08] <jmhodges> i remember my update before my last reboot involved some font package
[11:08] <jmhodges> now, a lot of gnome apps are segfaulting when they reach the ttf files
[11:08] <dystopianray> jmhodges: look in /var/log/dpkg.log
[11:09] <stevethepirate> The other error i get is [after the one listed above] : (EE): NVIDIA(0): Aborting!" and "(EE): Screens found, but none have a usable configuration"
[11:09] <jmhodges> ah, i was just looking for that .
[11:09] <stevethepirate> i think thats as a result of the first error tho.
[11:10] <stevethepirate> please could some1 assist.. i can't even open firefox to google the shizzel
[11:11] <crimsun> dougb: use a prior milestone cd
[11:11] <crimsun> dougb: say, beta 4 or beta 5
[11:11] <dougb> maybe i will tomorrow
[11:12] <jmhodges> hmm.. maybe one of the gtk2-engines pacakges..
[11:13] <crimsun> dougb: well, it's up to you. If you help, we can maybe get it sorted for an SRU
[11:13] <crimsun> ...right.
[11:17] <dystopianray> stevethepirate: 'shizzel'?
[11:18] <LegolasV> dystopianray: isn't that a cool way to say "thing", related to the english word "shi." (not typing it complete, I'm afraid of an auto-kick :P)
[11:19] <jmhodges> brb, trying after moving away .gtkrc-1.2.gnome2
[11:19] <sonium> I heard of people using valgrind for providing aditional crash information to the ubuntu developers. Could someone tell me how to use it?
[11:19] <stevethepirate> dystopianray: huh?
[11:20] <gourdin> sonium: how to use valgrind ?!
[11:20] <sonium> is this question so uncommon?
[11:21] <stevethepirate> dystopianray: its a friendly way of saying 'shit'
[11:21] <jmhodges> nope
[11:21] <jmhodges> that didnt do it
[11:21] <jmhodges> shoot
[11:21] <gourdin> sonium:  to debug abcf
[11:21] <gourdin> valgrind abcf
[11:21] <sonium> ok
[11:21] <gourdin> then, you got _plently_ of option
[11:22] <jmhodges> it seems that on boot, the last thign to pop up on the splash screen that shows whats loading is nautilus
[11:22] <gourdin> and, sorry, man valgrind :)
[11:22] <jmhodges> anyone know what usually loads after that?
[11:23] <jmhodges> after nautilus, that is
[11:23] <stevethepirate> bye ppl.. gotta startx
[11:24] <jmhodges> wagh
[11:24] <jmhodges> if i run gnome-keybinding-propreties in valgrind, it runs fine
[11:24] <jmhodges> without it, it segfaults
[11:24] <jmhodges> heisenbug..
[11:24] <jmhodges> there is a memory leak detected, however
[11:25] <jussi01> do i need vmware player to make server run?
[11:25] <gourdin> sonium: personaly, I use " valgrind --tool=memcheck --trace-children=yes --track-fds=yes --num-callers=20 --error-limit=no --show-below-main=yes --leak-check=full --show-reachable=yes --leak-resolution=high " to debug apps, be warned, this is awfully verbose
[11:25] <jmhodges> "definitely lost: 15,946 bytes in 52 blocks.\"
[11:26] <sonium> k, thx
[11:26] <jmhodges> rargh.. and when the keybinding menu comes up a lot of the keybindings have hex values
[11:26] <jmhodges> wtf..
[11:27] <sonium> it's awfully slow, too
[11:27] <jmhodges> okay, moving away all of the .gnome* and .gconf* directories
[11:27] <jmhodges> brb
[11:29] <InfamousM> hi
[11:30] <InfamousM> anyone alive?
[11:30] <jmhodges> nope, that didn't do it
[11:30] <jmhodges> crap.
[11:31] <jmhodges> i cant even use my mouse to switch between or move windows
[11:31] <InfamousM> jm
[11:31] <jmhodges> yes?
[11:31] <InfamousM> are you decent with ubuntu?
[11:31] <jmhodges> fairly decent
[11:31] <InfamousM> i have a noob question
[11:31] <jmhodges> yes?
[11:31] <InfamousM> how do you install programs? =/
[11:32] <jmhodges> this is on Feisty?
[11:32] <InfamousM> yeah, i just ordered a cd
[11:32] <jmhodges> System->Administration-Synaptic Package Manager
[11:32] <InfamousM> need any command line stuff to do it?
[11:32] <jmhodges> System is a menu in the bar along the top of your screen
[11:32] <jmhodges> InfamousM: nope
[11:33] <InfamousM> does anything need command line?
[11:33] <jmhodges> InfamousM: you can always use "sudo apt-get install packagename" but Synaptic is easier
[11:33] <jmhodges> not much
[11:33] <dystopianray> InfamousM: are you scared of the command line?
[11:33] <InfamousM> only 2 reasons i stuck with windows were
[11:33] <InfamousM> command line and gaming
[11:33] <InfamousM> if wine gets good
[11:33] <InfamousM> and the gui stuff gets better
[11:33] <InfamousM> ill be linux-high
[11:33] <InfamousM> and yes
[11:33] <dystopianray> InfamousM: you enjoyed using cmd.exe? :/
[11:34] <InfamousM> im scared of command line
[11:34] <InfamousM> lol
[11:34] <InfamousM> im decent with cmd.exe
[11:34] <InfamousM> because i do C++
[11:34] <InfamousM> but linux's command line
[11:34] <InfamousM> is just harder
[11:35] <dystopianray> harder?
[11:35] <dystopianray> you can barely do anything in cmd.exe
[11:35] <InfamousM> uhhh
[11:35] <InfamousM> lots of commands
[11:35] <InfamousM> and all the....
[11:35] <Tomg> hey all, who know where fesity stores the ppp config?
[11:35] <InfamousM> ugh
[11:35] <InfamousM> i cant think of the name
[11:35] <InfamousM> all the stuff at the end
[11:35] <InfamousM> -q +r
[11:35] <InfamousM> all that stuff
[11:36] <LegolasV> InfamousM: win32 has it too
[11:36] <jussi01> !enter | InfamousM
[11:36] <InfamousM> i dont use it though
[11:36] <ubotu> InfamousM: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:36] <jmhodges> okay, so anyone know what kind of segfault would disappear when the app is run in valgrind?
[11:36] <InfamousM> all i use are cd and then running .exe's
[11:37] <Tomg> anyone? who know where fesity stores the ppp config?
[11:37] <jmhodges> Tomg: gconf?
[11:37] <dystopianray> Tomg: is it being done through network-manager?
[11:37] <InfamousM> so, can anyone tell me how linux folders are? like /root and /home?
[11:38] <dystopianray> InfamousM: can you be more specific as to exactly what you want to know?
[11:38] <InfamousM> about the folders and logins
[11:39] <dystopianray> what do you want to know about them?
[11:39] <InfamousM> what is in the main folders, and the difference between a user and root
[11:40] <dystopianray> InfamousM: user and root are like, user and administrator on windows
[11:41] <InfamousM> can you make a different account an admin?
[11:42] <jmhodges> InfamousM: in ubuntu you don't even log in as admin
[11:42] <jmhodges> InfamousM: you might want to check out the ubuntu site and look for the stuff on sudo
[11:42] <InfamousM> sudo?
[11:42] <jussi01> !sudo
[11:42] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:44] <InfamousM> what's chown? i've heard it before
[11:48] <jin> hi
[11:48] <dystopianray> I'm not sure that this channel is intended for educating users on the basics of linux, this channel is for feisty support
[11:48] <jin> firefox start slower on feisty if I compare it to won xp :\
[11:50] <dystopianray> jin: how much slower?
[11:50] <jin> 3 to 4 seconds slower
[11:51] <InfamousM> dys: where can i get educated?
[11:51] <dystopianray> InfamousM: I have no idea
[11:51] <jin> I hope you guys won't release feisty this month
[11:51] <jin> :(
[11:51] <jmhodges> hm.. okay, can't figure this one up
[11:51] <concept10> man chown
[11:51] <dystopianray> jin: why?
[11:51] <jmhodges> jin: eh?
[11:51] <jin> alot of things seems broken
[11:52] <jmhodges> hm.. okay, anyone know when the next update is scheduled?
[11:53] <Lynoure> jin: same amount of plugins and all? Same load on the computer?
[11:53] <InfamousM> when i submitted of the cd they said it wouldnt be ready for shipping til june 14th i think
[11:53] <dystopianray> InfamousM: so you don't actually have ubuntu installed right now?
[11:54] <InfamousM> nope, i just need to learn it before i get it
[11:54] <InfamousM> i have no cd-rs
[11:54] <jin> Lynoure, firefox on linux only has one plugin more than on windows
[11:54] <setanta> hello all after having installed feisty i cannot mount ntfs-config, i can only do it by going in nautilus and double clicking on my ntfs drive, but then I have not got the writting permission anyone knows how to solve this please?
[11:54] <jin> but a few days ago it was slow already with the same plugins
[11:54] <InfamousM> okay
[11:54] <InfamousM> Note that these CDs will only be shipped after Ubuntu 7.04 is released (April 19th).
[11:55] <jussi01> !ntfs-3g | setanta
[11:55] <ubotu> setanta: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[11:55] <dystopianray> InfamousM: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=linux+for+beginners
[11:55] <jussi01> InfamousM, you should think of getting the ubuntu book
[11:55] <InfamousM> is it free?
[11:56] <setanta> thank you guys but ntfs-3g is aleardy installed
[11:56] <jussi01> InfamousM, no, but there are excerpts on the ubuntu website
[11:57] <olimpico> What happens to all my applications and configuration if I update to Feisty
[11:57] <olimpico> I'm using Edgy now.
[11:57] <dystopianray> olimpico: they should be preserved
[11:57] <dystopianray> olimpico: updater shouldn't touch anything in your home dir
[11:58] <olimpico> But all the applications that were working under Edgy will still work under Feisty?
[11:58] <dystopianray> olimpico: why wouldn't they?
[11:58] <olimpico> dystopianray: I don't know, i'm just asking
[11:59] <Lynoure> I do not think there are any promises on software outside the standard repositories...
[11:59] <olimpico> dystopianray: because many applications are not yet released for Feasty
[11:59] <dystopianray> olimpico: from third party repos?
[11:59] <olimpico> Lynoure: Exactly, the applications I have installed from other repositories, that's what worries me
[11:59] <dystopianray> olimpico: there is no guarantee with regards to any of those
[12:00] <Lynoure> olimpico: what kind of stuff you have installed? If they were .debs, most likely the sources will come up with updated versions for feisty soon
[12:01] <fenrig> hi
[12:01] <fenrig> the -15.25 kernel didn't fix anything for me
[12:02] <dystopianray> fenrig: what error are you getting?
[12:02] <fenrig> always something different
[12:03] <fenrig> but it always have to do with my sata harddisk
[12:03] <xipietotec> anyone know of a repository for Etoile in feisty?
[12:05] <fenrig> no wait i have an update
[12:05] <fenrig> for the kernel
[12:05] <dystopianray> fenrig: -25.27?
[12:05] <fenrig> yeah
[12:05] <dystopianray> err -15.27
[12:05] <dystopianray> ok, well try that
[12:06] <fenrig> bye
[12:10] <olimpico> Lynoure: I have lots of repositories
[12:17] <Lynoure> olimpico: then chances are something will not work afterwards. If it is business critical, maybe stick with your current version until you are sure those work in feisty
[12:19] <fenrig> hi
[12:19] <fenrig> new kernel works but
[12:19] <setanta> dystopianray thanks for the link it does not help me that much, i know what nfs-3g is
[12:19] <fenrig> i have problems with starting the nvidia module
[12:19] <dystopianray> setanta: i gave you a link?
[12:20] <setanta> lol i thought it was for me actually it was not nevermind, misread your message
[12:21] <fenrig> hey
[12:21] <fenrig> and the restricted manager
[12:22] <fenrig> says that i dont have hardware that needs restricted drivers
[12:22] <fenrig> what is happening
[12:22] <setanta> ubotu actually my previouys message was for ubotu, i know what ntfs-3g is but it does not help me
[12:22] <setanta> ok ubotu is a bot, didn't know that
[12:23] <dystopianray> !hello
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hello - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <dystopianray> stupid bot
[12:23] <dystopianray> fenrig: i don't know anything about the restricted driver manager, but what video card do you have?
[12:24] <aldin> anyone knows which package provides this header 'kconfigskeleton.h'
[12:24] <fenrig> nvidia geforce 7900 gt
[12:24] <olimpico> What do i need the update script for? I though I inly needed to change the repositories to feisty
[12:25] <dystopianray> fenrig: try installing nvidia-glx-new
[12:25] <fenrig> ah
[12:25] <fenrig> why is that changed?
[12:25] <fenrig> it used to have a nvidia-glx
[12:25] <fenrig> what is the difference
[12:25] <dystopianray> nvidia-glx = 96xx, nvidia-glx-new = 97xx
[12:25] <dystopianray> i think both should work for your card
[12:26] <juliux> hi all
[12:26] <juliux> can somebody make a test on his feisty system?
[12:27] <dystopianray> juliux: what test?
[12:27] <juliux> open a terminal and run time gcalctool
[12:27] <Jed> Hey, i have an update notification here and it includes a new kernel but i heard there was some bugs with it that stops your system booting to it
[12:27] <dystopianray> Jed: is it 2.6.20-15.27 ?
[12:28] <juliux> dystopianray, my system is very very slow gcaltool need 9secs so start
[12:28] <dystopianray> juliux: it shouldn't be slow?
[12:28] <jin> has any one done prelinking on Feisty before?
[12:28] <Jed> 2.6.20.15.14
[12:28] <dystopianray> Jed: what is the version of the linux-image package it wants to install?
[12:29] <asad2005> ls /dev/ttyS* shows only ttyS0 to 3 how can i add ttyS4 ?
[12:29] <juliux> dystopianray, if i run time gcaltool and then close gcaltool it says it need 9secs to start, i have a amd athlon xp 2400+ with 768mb ram and an nvidia car
[12:29] <Malum> WHICH repository do I add that will let me access non-free programs such as OPERA browser etc?
[12:29] <Jed> Version 2.6.20.15.14:
[12:29] <LegolasV> Malum: multiverse
[12:29] <dystopianray> isn't multiverse enabled by default?
[12:29] <LegolasV> dystopianray: no
[12:29] <dystopianray> Jed: you're looking at the wrong package, what is the 'linux-image' version?
[12:29] <Malum> Its a snyaptic option?
[12:29] <dystopianray> LegolasV: since when?
[12:30] <LegolasV> dystopianray: it has never been, but in synaptic and apt there is a select box for it
[12:30] <LegolasV> adept*
[12:30] <dystopianray> LegolasV: having universe and multiverse was a major feature of feisty
[12:30] <Jed> linux-image-generic   Version 2.6.20.15.14:
[12:30] <Malum> I cant find Opera?
[12:31] <Malum> I search for Opera in Synaptic doesnt come up
[12:31] <LegolasV> dystopianray: really?on edgy I didn't have multiverse on too
[12:31] <Malum> SHould I try adept?
[12:31] <dystopianray> LegolasV: it's only for feisty
[12:31] <juliux> dystopianray, any ideas why my system is so slow?
[12:31] <dystopianray> LegolasV: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/enabling-additional-components
[12:31] <LegolasV> dystopianray: (I've edited my sources.list to have multiverse and universe on)
[12:31] <dystopianray> juliux: no idea
[12:31] <DarkSpirit> I am about to install the RC but I wanted to ask when the Final does come out do I got to download it fully or when an updated RC Comes out ?
[12:32] <dystopianray> DarkSpirit: the RC has not been released
[12:32] <DarkSpirit> I mean like 700MB File download or within Ubuntu itself.
[12:32] <dystopianray> DarkSpirit: the final will probaly be released next week
[12:32] <DarkSpirit> feisty-desktop-i386.iso - Whatever that is
[12:32] <Malum> Im having some kind of memory problem with Firefox
[12:32] <Malum> it hangs all the time
[12:32] <Malum> Am I alone?
[12:32] <Jed> dystopianray: my linux-image-generic version is Version 2.6.20.15.14:
[12:33] <LegolasV> dystopianray: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine?highlight=%28multiverse%29
[12:33] <dystopianray> Jed: what is the version of linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic ?
[12:33] <dystopianray> LegolasV: that does not cover feisty
[12:34] <Jed> dystopianray: where do i find that, im kinda new to ubuntu, i used other distros in the past though
[12:34] <dystopianray> Jed: it should show you in the list of updates you're installing
[12:34] <LegolasV> dystopianray: for me it did, but I've updated to feisty from edgy, maybe that makes a difference?
[12:35] <dystopianray> LegolasV: possibly
[12:35] <Jed> dystopianray: what package name am i looking at?
[12:36] <dystopianray> Jed: linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[12:36] <Mooi> Hello, I would like to install Ubuntu Feisty into a USB Flash drive that I'd like to boot later from. How can I do this from a Debian system? Should I use debootstrap for this?
[12:36] <Jed> dystopianray: i dont have a package called that in update manager
[12:37] <Malum> I CANT close my Firefox?
[12:37] <dystopianray> Jed: hrrm, I don't know anything about the graphica package managers I always use apt-get
[12:37] <Malum> What is the KILL command?
[12:37] <Malum> Sudo Kill Firefox?
[12:37] <dystopianray> Malum: don't need sudo
[12:37] <Malum> just Kill Firefox
[12:37] <Malum> ?
[12:37] <dystopianray> Malum: what is the name of the firefox process?
[12:37] <Malum> how would I determine that?
[12:37] <Eruantalon> you could use killall firefox
[12:37] <dystopianray> ps, top, etc.
[12:38] <Eruantalon> you could use killall firefox-bin
[12:38] <LegolasV> Malum: ps aux|grep firefox
[12:38] <Mooi> can someone provide me with the ubuntu debootstrap script for feisty?
[12:38] <Malum> Okay
[12:38] <LegolasV> Malum: then kill <number>
[12:38] <dystopianray> kill -9
[12:38] <xipietotec> ....I just use system monitor, select firefox, and kill it
[12:39] <dystopianray> you can use xkill as well
[12:39] <dystopianray> run xkill and click on firefox
[12:39] <Malum> 3 lines generated from that command
[12:39] <Malum>  ps aux|grep firefox  generated 3 lines
[12:39] <mrvanes> Is macd there?
[12:40] <LegolasV> Eruantalon: personally I'd never use killall, because someone I know wanted to kill a crashing ssh session and just killall's sshd, but that's my personal preference ;)
[12:40] <dystopianray> xkill is the easiest to use
[12:40] <LegolasV> Malum: the upper two lines have a PID, kill it ;)
[12:40] <Eruantalon> LegolasV: I live life on the edge
[12:40] <Malum> okay
[12:41] <Mooi> got it myself...
[12:41] <dystopianray> xkill has a skull and crossbones, like a pirate
[12:41] <LegolasV> Eruantalon: well the experience did learn us how to get ssh up using PHP5 and Apache2 ;)
[12:41] <Jed> dystopianray: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15770/     its what apt-get says its gonna update
[12:41] <Mooi> teach
[12:42] <Eruantalon> LegolasV: lol
[12:42] <dystopianray> Jed: use the -V flag
[12:42] <Jed> ok
[12:42] <fenrig> hi
[12:42] <fenrig> nvidia problem still not fixed
[12:43] <dystopianray> what error messages do you get?
[12:43] <fenrig> it doesnt load the "wfb module"
[12:43] <Jed> dystiopianray: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15771/
[12:43] <fenrig> and the fatal server error is
[12:43] <fenrig> no screens found
[12:43] <dystopianray> fenrig: ah, others have had that problem, I don't know what the fix is
[12:44] <dystopianray> Jed: -V
[12:44] <fenrig> can u give me a link
[12:44] <Jed> oh
[12:44] <yooluca> hi all
[12:44] <dystopianray> fenrig: try searching in launchpad
[12:44] <yooluca> should i install beta or wait for the final release ?
[12:44] <dystopianray> yooluca: wait for the finale
[12:44] <dystopianray> final
[12:44] <dystopianray> yooluca: or at least the RC
[12:45] <Jed> dystopianray: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15772/
[12:45] <yooluca> ok
[12:45] <yooluca> thanks
[12:45] <dystopianray> Jed: $ sudo apt-get -V dist-upgrade
[12:45] <Jed> ok
[12:45] <yooluca> dystopianray 19th april isnt it ?
[12:45] <dystopianray> yooluca: maybe, probably will be delayed
[12:46] <dystopianray> yooluca: the RC has not yet been released
[12:46] <Jed> dystopianray: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15773/
[12:46] <yooluca> ohh, which means that the final will be delayed
[12:46] <yooluca> ok thanks
[12:47] <dystopianray> Jed: ok, that kernel should be fine
[12:47] <Jed> ok, thanks
[12:47] <dystopianray> Jed:    linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic (2.6.20-15.27)
[12:48] <fenrig> i cant found a bug
[12:48] <fenrig> in launchpad
[12:48] <dystopianray> fenrig: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/90915
[12:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 90915 in update-manager "xserver can't load 'wfb module error' after feisty install. " [Undecided,Rejected] 
[12:48] <dystopianray> 2 seconds of google
[12:48] <fenrig> ah
[12:49] <dystopianray> doesn't look very helpful though
[12:49] <dystopianray> maybe the forums have info
[12:50] <toodles> Hi all, anyone have any suggestions what log files I need to check to figure out why my mouse stops responding when I "Switch User"? If I go back to currently logged in user with Ctrl+Alt+F7 then I have my mouse back. I just can't log in as a new user.
[12:50] <Mooi> http://rafb.net/p/VGeKL589.txt < how to solve this problem?
[12:50] <dystopianray> toodles: why can't you login? keyboard doesn't work?
[12:51] <LegolasV> shouldn't this (/usr/share/doc/grub/NEWS.Debian.gz) be done automatically by apt?
[12:51] <dystopianray> toodles: what sort of mouse do you have?
[12:51] <toodles> dystopianray: Sorry, actually I can login - my mouse just no longer works.
[12:51] <toodles> dystopianray: Touchpad :-/
[12:51] <toodles> dystopianray: It's a laptop (dell inspiron 640m)
[12:51] <dystopianray> toodles: what about if you plug in a usb mouse?
[12:51] <toodles> dystopianray: I'll check. brb
[12:52] <Mooi> Solved.
[12:53] <Korgmatose> is 2.6.20-15.27 generally regarded as safe to upgrade to? Using 2.6.20-15.25 with no issues atm
[12:54] <dystopianray> What could I have done to get this in shipit? "The Ubuntu community would like to thank you for your contributions to the Ubuntu project. In recognition of this, we offer you an expanded set of options for your ShipIt request."
[12:55] <toodles> dystopianray: If I plug in a usb mouse it works, and the touchpad also works again. Any idea where the problem might lie?
[12:55] <dystopianray> toodles: hrrm, not really
[12:55] <Mooi> how can I whipe out a hard drive fully?
[12:55] <toodles> dystopianray: ok, thanks though :-) .  I'm a step closer to figuring it out.
[12:56] <dystopianray> Mooi: $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/deb/blah bs=1M
[12:56] <dystopianray> /dev/blah
[12:56] <webwolf_27> anybody else having trouble with feisty together with ndiswrapper?
[12:56] <_Neil> dystopianray: I get that too
[12:56] <_Neil> dystopianray: All ive done is submit bugs
[12:56] <dystopianray> _Neil: yeah me too
[12:57] <webwolf_27> when I bootup with the old edgy kernel everything works great, when I bootup with a feisty ketnel the system freezes as soon as I load the ndiswrapper
[12:57] <Mooi> thanks, dystopianray
[12:57] <_Neil> interesting, the CDs you get are feisty fawn??
[12:57] <_Neil> is feisty going to be LTS then?
[12:57] <dystopianray> _Neil: no it is not
[12:58] <dystopianray> _Neil: I guess they realised that people dont' really want crappy old dapper
[12:58] <_Neil> yeah lol
[12:58] <webwolf_27> dystopianray, LTS is still better for the server
[01:01] <Mooi> LTS = ?
[01:01] <_4strO> !lts | Mooi
[01:01] <ubotu> Mooi: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[01:01] <fenrig> how do i halt the x session
[01:01] <Mooi> I see, coolness
[01:01] <dystopianray> fenrig: ctrl-alt-backspace
[01:01] <Mooi> fenrig: ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:01] <fenrig> no thats too restart
[01:02] <fenrig> X
[01:02] <_4strO> dystopianray: tou dont halt, you restart it
[01:02] <Mooi> fenrig: kill -9 <x process>
[01:02] <tatters>  running "sudo m-a update,prepare" gives me command not found error, do I need to install something to get this to run?
[01:02] <dystopianray> fenrig: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:02] <_4strO> yes
[01:03] <_4strO> sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[01:03] <Mooi> can I somehow stop dd from running now? it is taking a while :|
[01:03] <Mooi> the guy clearly said to halt his X session, not the Gnome desktop manager?
[01:03] <Kevlar_Soul> how do you make x-sys work?
[01:04] <dystopianray> Mooi: well it seems like he wants to stop X alltogether
[01:04] <_4strO> Mooi: dont understand
[01:04] <Mooi> I tried kill -9 <dd process>, but it is still running?
[01:04] <dystopianray> Mooi: ctrl+c
[01:04] <Kevlar_Soul> X-sys plugin
[01:05] <Kevlar_Soul> ?
[01:05] <Mooi> dystopianray: lol, did that ;-)
[01:05] <Mooi> absolutely no reaction
[01:05] <dystopianray> Mooi: press it a bunch of times repeatedly
[01:05] <Mooi> did that already
[01:05] <Kevlar_Soul> How come OPERA doesnt show up in Synapitc?
[01:05] <Kevlar_Soul> Syaptic?
[01:05] <Mooi> I just unplugged the drive ;-)
[01:05] <Kevlar_Soul> Synapitc?
[01:06] <Kevlar_Soul> oh you know what  I mean
[01:06] <Mooi> Kevlar_Soul: is Opera open source?
[01:06] <Kevlar_Soul> Its not in the Multiverse
[01:06] <Mooi> because they have their own repositories
[01:06] <Mooi> (opera)
[01:06] <Kevlar_Soul> ahhh
[01:06] <Kevlar_Soul> you dont know it do you?
[01:06] <Mooi> just google it
[01:06] <webwolf_27> Mooi, no it's not
[01:06] <_4strO> !opera | Kevlar_Soul
[01:06] <ubotu> Kevlar_Soul: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[01:07] <Kevlar_Soul> sysinfo
[01:07] <fenrig> hi
[01:07] <fenrig> the nvidia problem is fixed
[01:07] <Mooi> webwolf_27: ah, I was wrong then :|
[01:07] <Kevlar_Soul> Oh thanks!!!
[01:07] <fenrig> i just downloaded the driver from nvidia.com
[01:07] <fenrig> and im ready to game
[01:07] <dystopianray> fenrig: that's not fixing it, it's just hacking around it
[01:07] <fenrig> well
[01:07] <Kevlar_Soul> Nvidia has Ubuntu drivers?
[01:07] <Mooi> :))
[01:08] <fenrig> not really i just download a script
[01:08] <fenrig> a .run file
[01:08] <webwolf_27> Mooi, one can install opera though, I'd only use it for testing website (sam as IE)
[01:08] <webwolf_27> Kevlar_Soul, no, Ubuntu has nvidia drivers
[01:09] <dystopianray> Opera has ubuntu downloads on their home page, but only up to edgy
[01:09] <dystopianray> on their website i mean
[01:09] <Kevlar_Soul> ?
[01:10] <Kevlar_Soul> I just searched my Add/Remove no OPERA
[01:10] <gnomefreak> Kevlar_Soul: opera is not in the repos
[01:10] <webwolf_27> Kevlar_Soul, Ubuntu, as a linux distrobution doesn't need a driver, Nvidia as a hardware does
[01:11] <Kevlar_Soul> !opera
[01:11] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[01:11] <Kevlar_Soul> So, that is wrong?
[01:11] <dystopianray> Kevlar_Soul: is 'show commercial applications' checked?
[01:12] <Kevlar_Soul> Well, there is no "show commercial applications" first of all, so that is wrong.
[01:12] <Kevlar_Soul> But, I set it o "All"
[01:12] <Kevlar_Soul> to
[01:13] <dystopianray> Kevlar_Soul: that text probably only applies to edgy
[01:14] <Kevlar_Soul> well, regardless the answer is commercial applications are being shown
[01:14] <dystopianray> they are?
[01:15] <Kevlar_Soul> how could I verify that?
[01:15] <Kevlar_Soul> which program could I only see if commercial applications are being shown?
[01:16] <Cheetah> hello :D
[01:16] <Cheetah> is there a way to fine-tune the desktop effects? :)
[01:19] <Kevlar_Soul> Desktop effects manager
[01:20] <Cheetah> Kevlar_Soul, are you refering to the settings dialog that is installed by default or an additional software package?
[01:22] <Hidan> errr one thing... the very latest updates. they don't break the pc, do they?
[01:23] <Mooi> what disklabel should I put for a USB device that I'll want to boot? msdos does or not?
[01:25] <dystopianray> disklabel? this ain't bsd :S
[01:25] <Mooi> I'm using gparted :)
[01:25] <Kevlar_Soul> gfarted
[01:25] <Mooi> ?
[01:26] <dystopianray> ah, just use msdos
[01:26] <Mooi> did ;)
[01:26] <Skrotffs> I don't think the label of the disc will matter at all
[01:26] <dystopianray> i think by label it is referring to the partition table type
[01:26] <Skrotffs> ah
[01:27] <Mooi> okay
[01:29] <Cheetah> is there something like Expose on Mac available in Feisty?
[01:29] <dystopianray> Cheetah: beryl and compiz should provide that functionality
[01:30] <dystopianray> although expose is retarded anyway
[01:30] <Jed> Hey, im having a problem with azuerus where I open it but it closes again a second later
[01:30] <Cheetah> dystopianray, i will check that out
[01:30] <dystopianray> Jed: is there an error message?
[01:30] <Jed> nope
[01:30] <dystopianray> Jed: have you tried starting it from the terminal?
[01:31] <dystopianray> Jed: have you looked in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[01:32] <Jed> just tried starting from terminal, i get an error message which im gonna put in the paste bin now
[01:33] <Kevlar_Soul> Im pretty sure commercial applications are NOT showing up in my repository
[01:33] <Jed> dystopianray: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15783/
[01:34] <gnomefreak> Kevlar_Soul: thats good since there isnt a commercial repo for feisty
[01:34] <dystopianray> Jed: hrrm that isn't good, no idea what is causing that
[01:34] <dystopianray> Jed: something wrong with your ajva
[01:34] <Jed> ok
[01:34] <Kevlar_Soul> so, do I use the one for edgy?
[01:34] <Jed> reinstall java?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> no
[01:34] <Kevlar_Soul> well
[01:34] <dystopianray> Jed: hrrm that might help, I don't know
[01:34] <Jed> ok
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Kevlar_Soul: there's not one for edgy either.  regardless, no
[01:34] <gnomefreak> Kevlar_Soul: what are you looking for?
[01:34] <Kevlar_Soul> multiverse is a lie
[01:34] <Kaplan_> why is multiverse a lie?
[01:35] <Kevlar_Soul> Multiverse is supposed to have things like Opera
[01:35] <Kevlar_Soul> it doesnt
[01:35] <gnomefreak> Kevlar_Soul: no it isnt
[01:35] <Kevlar_Soul> no non-free stuff
[01:35] <dystopianray> Kevlar_Soul: Opera provide ubuntu debs
[01:35] <Kaplan_> it used to have
[01:35] <gnomefreak> Kevlar_Soul: never has had it
[01:35] <Lynoure> Kevlar_Soul: It is not supposed to have binary only non-free stuff.
[01:35] <Kevlar_Soul> !opera
[01:35] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[01:35] <dystopianray> Kevlar_Soul: opera probably disallow redistribution
[01:35] <Kaplan_> maybe a feisty opera has not yet been included
[01:35] <Kaplan_> but it sure will
[01:36] <Kaplan_> you can always install it yourself
[01:36] <Kevlar_Soul> Which is the repository with all the good nonfree stuff?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> !opera is <reply>opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[01:36] <ubotu> But opera already means something else!
[01:36] <dystopianray> http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linux
[01:36] <Hobbsee> !no opera is <reply>opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[01:36] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[01:36] <dystopianray> Kevlar_Soul: http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linux
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: no new extra packages for feisty, by now
[01:36] <Kevlar_Soul> not in Add/remove
[01:37] <Jed> dystopianray: reinstalling java helped, thanks
[01:37] <Kevlar_Soul> Thanks but gosh, wouldnt a repository make things easier?
[01:37] <dystopianray> Jed: cool
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Kevlar_Soul: sure.  make one, and maintain it.
[01:37] <dystopianray> Kevlar_Soul: Opera may disallow redistribution of their browser
[01:37] <Kaplan_> Hobsee, how do you highlight my name when talking to me?????????
[01:37] <Kaplan_> i'm new @ irc
[01:37] <chijin> lmao
[01:37] <Kevlar_Soul> If I install the edgy version will it work?
[01:37] <Kaplan_> probably
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: by mentioning your nick.  also, most irc clients have tab completion, so you can type hob<tab> and it becomes Hobbsee
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Kevlar_Soul: i answered that.
[01:38] <Kevlar_Soul> Is there another good browser?
[01:38] <Kaplan_> but you really should wait for the feisty release
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Kevlar_Soul: firefox, konqueror
[01:38] <Kevlar_Soul> Firefox keeps hanging
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: sorry?
[01:38] <Kaplan_> Kaplan_: i see
[01:38] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee:  like this?
[01:38] <Kevlar_Soul> okay I'll find that one
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: yep, that's it :)
[01:39] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: what did you mean
[01:39] <anto> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15784/ can somone help me with this boot error??
[01:39] <Hobbsee> [21:38]  <Kaplan_> but you really should wait for the feisty release <-- who did you mean that to?
[01:39] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: won't new packages come into multiverse?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: no.  no new packages as of at least a month ago
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: evertyhing's frozen - bug fixes only
[01:40] <_4strO> anto : impossible to boot exact ?
[01:40] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: strange, i meant that opera for edgy will work, but you will have an edgy repo on your sources that really should not be there
[01:41] <lazka> Kevlar_Soul: i think the commercial repo is down right now. should be "http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu feisty-commercial main"
[01:41] <anto> _4str0: what do you mean?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: ah.   true.  the commercial repo was never done for anything other than dapper though.
[01:41] <Kevlar_Soul> lazka ahhhh
[01:41] <_4strO> anto: you have this message before enter a session
[01:41] <Kevlar_Soul> That explains it
[01:41] <anto> when i try and boot up...
[01:42] <_4strO> ok
[01:42] <anto> i only got the basic built in commands
[01:42] <Kevlar_Soul> How do you list applications to kill?
[01:42] <dystopianray> Kevlar_Soul: ps
[01:42] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: i use firefox on all SO's i use, but i had opera installed on edgy
[01:42] <_4strO> Kevlar_Soul: ps aux
[01:42] <Kevlar_Soul> Isnt there a GUI for this yet?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: true, but you didnt get thta from the commercial repo - you probably got that from the opera site
[01:42] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: from the repos, epiphany is a good browser to, and it is on the repos
[01:42] <_4strO> anto: what kernel are u using ?
[01:42] <Kevlar_Soul> Isnt there a GUI for process managment, *sigh*
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: indeed.  Kevlar_Soul, try epiphany
[01:43] <PriceChild> Kevlar_Soul, system monitor
[01:43] <Kevlar_Soul> feel like its 10 years ago with all this commands
[01:43] <dystopianray> Kevlar_Soul: probably, if you're in kde press 'ctrl+esc' I don't know about gnome
[01:43] <PriceChild> Kevlar_Soul, have you looked?
[01:43] <gnomefreak> Kevlar_Soul: htop
[01:43] <PriceChild> Kevlar_Soul, system > administration > system monitor
[01:43] <dystopianray> Kevlar_Soul: the gui managers are all horrible compared to the CLI tools
[01:43] <PriceChild> or something like that
[01:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: does ncurses count as gui?
[01:43] <lazka> htop is nice
[01:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: but i do like htop
[01:43] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: sure ;)
[01:43] <anto> _4str0: i'm using ubuntu kernel 2.6.20-13-386 because when i tried to run the Ubuntu kernel 2.6-15-386 my computer crashed-..
[01:44] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: so aptitude's a graphical manager.  cool :P
[01:44] <gnomefreak> for something your gonna spend all of 30 seconds in what is the use of drawing a gui?
[01:44] <lazka> anto: what was the error message?
[01:44] <mc44> anto: "crashed"? you mean it wouldnt boot?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: because if it doesnt do pointy-clicky then it's outdated and not worth using!  duh!!!!!
[01:44] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: i have opera on synaptic
[01:44] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: really ncurses is not gui or the d-i would be gui installer ;)
[01:44] <mc44> Hobbsee: typing is hard, dammit
[01:45] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: *grin*
[01:45] <Hobbsee> mc44: very.    mc44 likes pointy-clicky
[01:45] <gnomefreak> Kaplan_: it will show up in synaptic if you have installed it before
[01:45] <thesilentw> finally it starts!!!!!!!!! the today kernel update fixed the nvidia drivers or was it a kernel problem the whole time ?
[01:45] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: i'ts from non-free
[01:45] <yellow_chicken> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/herd-5/   <--- that the RC?
[01:45] <anto> yeah it didn't boot so i went back to a older version of the ubuntu kernel then i got a some block device error on my hardisk.    and it forced me to do a fsck that took a few hours, then after that i tried to start a older kernel up again. but i got the problem off the grub menu not existing. so i copyed over a old copy of my grub for my server then changged the menu.
[01:46] <gnomefreak> thesilentw: assuming kernel since restricted modules nor nvidia were upgraded
[01:46] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: want to pastebin the result of "apt-cache policy opera" ?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> yellow_chicken: see the /topic
[01:46] <gnomefreak> yellow_chicken: yes
[01:46] <mc44> thesilentw: probably just the restricted drivers packlage caught up witht he kernel
[01:46] <_4strO> anto: your pb (the error you paste) is on 2.6-15-386 kernel ?
[01:46] <gnomefreak> no upgrade for that either.
[01:46] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: it's from medibuntu
[01:46] <anto> no its on 2.6-13-386
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: that's why, then.
[01:47] <_4strO> ok
[01:47] <yellow_chicken> Hobbsee: yes, topic points me to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: do they do acroread too?
[01:47] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i spent best paret of a day looking for source
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: (adobe reader)
[01:47] <dystopianray> acroread cannot be redistributable so was removed for feisty
[01:47] <yellow_chicken> gnomefreak: thank you
[01:47] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: still never found it or i would have packaged it
[01:47] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: yeah, i know
[01:47] <anto> _4str0: any idea??
[01:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: oh, of opera?
[01:47] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: yep, i have it installed here
[01:47] <_4strO> anto: possible :p
[01:47] <gnomefreak> yep
[01:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: coulda just unpacked the deb
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: interesting.  so they're violating the law
[01:48] <anto> _4str0: greate i have spent hours trying to fix this--
[01:48] <[gen2] niki> hi
[01:48] <[gen2] niki> i need help, its very urgent
[01:48] <Hobbsee> [gen2] niki: ....
[01:48] <[gen2] niki> my nvidia card doesnt seem to be covered anymore
[01:48] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: really, didn't know about that?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> [gen2] niki: that's nice - uh, it'd sure help if you'd tell us what was wrong...
[01:48] <gnomefreak> i normally host the devel versions of opera ;)
[01:48] <[gen2] niki> its a nvidia gf4ti4200
[01:48] <anto> use the legact drivers?
[01:48] <anto> legacy*
[01:48] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: am i vaiolating it to????
[01:49] <[gen2] niki> so the nvidia-glx drivers should work
[01:49] <[gen2] niki> now, too new for legacy
[01:49] <[gen2] niki> *no
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: no - you're not redistributing it
[01:49] <_4strO> anto: try to : sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-13-generic.bak /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-13-generic
[01:49] <[gen2] niki> but nvidia-glx says its too old?
[01:49] <[gen2] niki> o.O
[01:49] <mc44> Hobbsee: canonical had some explicity agreement to distribute it then?
[01:49] <yellow_chicken> gnomefreak: according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule , it should be herd CD 6 ...
[01:49] <anto> on live cd?
[01:49] <gnomefreak> yellow_chicken: herd 6 was cancelled
[01:49] <Hobbsee> mc44: no idea.
[01:49] <gnomefreak> like 2 weeeks ago
[01:50] <[gen2] niki> i now that nvidia-glx-new doesnt cover my version anymore, but why nvidia-glx?
[01:50] <dystopianray> mc44: no they didn't, if adobe requests it ubuntu will have to remove it from every repo
[01:50] <_4strO> anto: on the HD
[01:50] <Hobbsee> [gen2] niki: nvidia dropped support for a whole lot of cards
[01:50] <Kaplan_> Hobbsee: so i can have it installed, no problem.... cause when i think about linux i always try to have everything clean, without piraty
[01:50] <anto> how do i do that???
[01:50] <yellow_chicken> gnomefreak: ah.. ok, but why?  no enough time?
[01:50] <gnomefreak> geforce4 cards
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: yes, of course.  it's just a problem with redistributing it
[01:50] <dystopianray> Kaplan_: you're not pirating anything
[01:50] <_4strO> anto: are you on the liveCD ?
[01:50] <anto> no on my server but i'm starting the computer with my live cd
[01:50] <gnomefreak> yellow_chicken: correct. there wre some issues we had to take care of and ended up a little behind
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Kaplan_: ie, if you decide to publish it so others can get at it
[01:50] <_4strO> ok
[01:50] <[gen2] niki> well but the version nvidia-glx-legacy wants to install is ancient
[01:51] <[gen2] niki> and i used official drivers just a month ago
[01:51] <mc44> dystopianray: I thought we were talking about opera. Never mind me then :)
[01:51] <gnomefreak> doesnt anyone running devel subsribe to mailing lists?
[01:51] <[gen2] niki> why shouldnt nvidia-glx work?
[01:51] <dystopianray> I thought we were talking about acroread?
[01:51] <mc44> gnomefreak: hahaha
[01:51] <_4strO> anto whenn your'on liveCD, make a dir (sudo mkdir temp)
[01:51] <gnomefreak> subscribe*
[01:51] <Hobbsee> [gen2] niki: yes.  they dumped support less than that time
[01:51] <[gen2] niki> should i maybe try to just install the nvidia drivers by myself?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> [gen2] niki: go for it
[01:51] <[gen2] niki> uumm
[01:51] <anto> yeah i know how to mount my hardisk
[01:51] <[gen2] niki> so what to do
[01:51] <[gen2] niki> legacy? =/
[01:51] <dystopianray> [gen2] niki: you only need to install nvidia-glx
[01:51] <_4strO> anto: and then mount your hard drive in it
[01:51] <[gen2] niki> dystopianray: wrong.
[01:51] <anto> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[01:52] <gnomefreak> go to nvidia.com look up what driver supports your card and tell us
[01:52] <_4strO> anto: yep if you already sudo mkdir mnt ;)
[01:52] <llutz> hi
[01:52] <gnomefreak> we can than tell you what package to use
[01:52] <anto> is there a feisty live cd you can download??
[01:52] <gnomefreak> anto: desktop cd
[01:52] <_4strO> yep
[01:52] <anto> Okej ill ask my father to download for me later...
[01:53] <Mooi> Hey, if type 83 for Linux is ext2, what is for ext3?
[01:53] <llutz> Mooi: 83 too
[01:53] <gnomefreak> ext3 is ext2+journeling
[01:53] <gnomefreak> only spelled right
[01:53] <anto> i beg to god that this works now
[01:53] <Mooi> meh, so what do I do in fdisk to define it as ext3? 'cause mounting it as ext3 doesn't do. Do I have to do mke2fs?
[01:53] <[gen2] niki> according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html iam not legacy
[01:54] <llutz> Mooi: you have
[01:54] <dystopianray> Mooi: all linux partitions are 83
[01:54] <dystopianray> Mooi: it has nothing to do with the filesystem
[01:54] <_4strO> lol anto
[01:54] <Mooi> I see
[01:55] <Mooi> ok, mkfs`ing now
[01:55] <dystopianray> Mooi: fdisk has nothing to do with formatting a partition
[01:55] <anto> k computer has loaded the live cd give me another 30 seconds
[01:55] <Mooi> dystopianray: I figured, ;-)
[01:55] <dystopianray> Mooi: fdisk defines the partitions, then you run other programs to create the filesystem on those partitions
[01:55] <[gen2] niki> i have an idea
[01:55] <[gen2] niki> does the restricted modules install a too new version?
[01:56] <[gen2] niki> should i just leave it out and just take nvidia-glx?
[01:56] <[gen2] niki> or is that not possible
[01:56] <dystopianray> [gen2] niki: just install nvidia-glx
[01:56] <dystopianray> [gen2] niki: $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:56] <[gen2] niki> iam not that dumb. thanks.
[01:56] <anto> now i have mounted my hardisk what should i do???
[01:56] <anto> _4str0: now i have mounted my hardisk what should i do???
[01:56] <[gen2] niki> can the restricted modules be a reason for the problems?
[01:56] <anto> yes
[01:57] <_4strO> anto: try to : sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-13-generic.bak /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-13-generic
[01:57] <TheSilentW> hello, what is the name of that package that lets you run kde programs on gnome?
[01:57] <RAOF> TheSilentW: There isn't one, because you can just do it.
[01:57] <[gen2] niki> you just need to instal kdelibs and qt
[01:57] <anto> should i do it in /mnt/boot/ or /boot ??
[01:57] <Mooi> EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock
[01:58] <RAOF> [gen2] niki: Which any package will do for you.
[01:58] <TheSilentW> raof, my friend told me, cause i cant run amarok, crashs
[01:58] <_4strO> anto: /mnt/boot/...
[01:58] <Mooi> I'm gonna have to re-partition again ^_^
[01:58] <RAOF> TheSilentW: Then that's a bug, which should be filed.  There is no reason KDE programs shouldn't run on Gnome.
[01:58] <TheSilentW> raof, i didnt install it right away cause my ubuntu was down
[01:58] <gnomefreak> TheSilentW: amarok runs fine in gnome
[01:58] <dystopianray> thesilentw: run it from a terminal and pastebin any error messages
[01:59] <anto> _4str0: that was succesfull atleast no error
[01:59] <RAOF> TheSilentW: I know this, because *I* (and many others) have used Amarok on gnome.
[01:59] <_4strO> anto: reboot
[01:59] <gnomefreak> TheSilentW: sudo apt-get install amarok it will pull everything you need in
[01:59] <_4strO> and select the 2.6.20-13 kernel :)
[01:59] <TheSilentW> raof, are u sure? cause, he told me about a package that had KDE on it, and was for gnome
[01:59] <dystopianray> thesilentw: installing amarok gives you everything you need
[01:59] <RAOF> TheSilentW: Yes, I'm sure.
[01:59] <gnomefreak> TheSilentW: install it and run it. it works fine.
[02:00] <TheSilentW> ok
[02:00] <[gen2] niki> why do the damn restricted modules want to uninstall my kernel if i plan to delete them?
[02:00] <TheSilentW> gona try again
[02:00] <[gen2] niki> that just makes no sense
[02:00] <dystopianray> thesilentw: run it on a terminal and pastebin any error messages
[02:00] <tatters>   Been following aome howto for lirc and "sudo m-a update,prepare" gives me command not found ...do I need to install something to get this to run?
[02:00] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: your removine the meta package for the kernel
[02:01] <dystopianray> tatters: what is m-a ?
[02:01] <tatters> no idea but it is in all the howtos
[02:01] <gnomefreak> tatters: link please?
[02:01] <mc44> tatters: module-assistent
[02:01] <llutz> dystopianray: module-assistant
[02:01] <mc44> assistant
[02:01] <[gen2] niki> gnomefreak: so what to remove? i think they cause the problems id only need the nvidia outa it. i think it installs a too new version for my gfxcard
[02:01] <mc44> yay for command-not-found on feisty :)
[02:02] <tatters> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_lirc_install
[02:02] <anto> _4str0: same error....
[02:02] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: ok start from beginning what are you trying to remove kernel for, what are you atempting to do?
[02:02] <mc44> tatters: sudo apt-get install module-assistant
[02:02] <_4strO> anto: :/
[02:02] <[gen2] niki> gnomefreak: my nvidia card does not work with nvidia-glx, though it should.
[02:03] <anto> gen2 have you updated your kernel latly ??
[02:03] <[gen2] niki> gnomefreak: and iam searching for a reason for that. restricted modules might be one.
[02:03] <tatters> mc44: thnx man been bugging me for hours
[02:03] <[gen2] niki> yeah
[02:03] <TheSilentW> raof, ok, it crashed again, gona run it from console
[02:03] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: what card is it?
[02:03] <[gen2] niki> iam on 2.6.20-15
[02:03] <[gen2] niki> gf4ti4200
[02:03] <anto> then you must reinstall the driver from nvidia.com again
[02:03] <[gen2] niki> not legacy, not new, just nvidia-glx fits
[02:03] <[gen2] niki> o.O?
[02:03] <gnomefreak> 4200 iirc is legacy but i will check nvidia.com ;)
[02:03] <[gen2] niki> nope gnomefreak
[02:03] <[gen2] niki> its new legacy
[02:04] <anto> _4str0: what should i do :(
[02:04] <[gen2] niki> and new legacy is just nvidia-glx now
[02:04] <_4strO> do,nt know
[02:04] <[gen2] niki> the new cards are covered by nvidia-glx-new now
[02:04] <[gen2] niki> so that shouldnt be the problem
[02:04] <anto> o well going to eat
[02:04] <[gen2] niki> kk hf
[02:06] <TheSilentW> ok, i got :  Very strange! got a DCOPReply opcode, but we were not waiting for a reply!
[02:06] <TheSilentW>  and then, i got no mp3 support when i clicked on the close button
[02:06] <pollyo> Looking for information on setting up phpgedview for use with ubuntu (feisty) and apache2.
[02:06] <TheSilentW> didnt show any reply
[02:06] <pollyo> Anyone know a good howto site?
[02:07] <robinlinth> Are there any new features in Feisty since 1/2 weeks ago?
[02:07] <dystopianray> robinlinth: yep, intel-hda doesn't work
[02:07] <robinlinth> oh
[02:07] <robinlinth> that's not a feature..
[02:07] <dystopianray> it's new
[02:07] <robinlinth> anything else?
[02:08] <mc44> [gen2] niki: did you try nvidia-glx-new?
[02:08] <dystopianray> probably not, most things have been finalised for a while, just bug fixes now
[02:08] <mc44> dystopianray: pah, it works for me :)
[02:08] <dystopianray> mc44: you're one of the lucky ones
[02:09] <mc44> dystopianray: hardly, intel-hda never used to work for me :)
[02:09] <[gen2] niki> mc44: that wont work
[02:09] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: what is the error you are getting when trying to start X
[02:09] <mc44> [gen2] niki: did you try?
[02:10] <[gen2] niki> gnomefreak: not x, but modprobe makes problems
[02:10] <[gen2] niki> and dmesg tail says that my gfx card is too old
[02:10] <[gen2] niki> how can i see where the module comes from, if its glx or the restricted modules?
[02:10] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: than what makes you think nvidia-glx is what you need?
[02:10] <robinlinth> hmm
[02:10] <robinlinth> when is it safe to upgrade to feisty?
[02:11] <mc44> [gen2] niki: why dont you try new
[02:11] <TheSilentW> dystopianray, ok, i got :  Very strange! got a DCOPReply opcode, but we were not waiting for a reply!
[02:11] <[gen2] niki> argh, dont you read?
[02:11] <TheSilentW>  and then, i got no mp3 support when i clicked on the close button
[02:11] <gnomefreak> mc44: its too old for new
[02:11] <[gen2] niki> because glx is 96xx
[02:11] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: so?
[02:11] <robinlinth> I could do it now but as I have experienced that is not so good because this is a PC, a working PC, and i would like to KEEP it working
[02:11] <[gen2] niki> gf4ti is supported by 96xx
[02:11] <[gen2] niki> but not by 97xx, aka glx-new
[02:12] <pochu> Hi all. I have a little question: If I remove a file from the command line, does it go to any place? (such as the trash)
[02:12] <robinlinth> pochu, no, it disappears right away.
[02:12] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: glxinfo | grep direct
[02:12] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: what is the output of that
[02:12] <[gen2] niki> iam on nv now
[02:12] <pochu> robinlinth: ok, thanks
[02:12] <robinlinth> pochu, np
[02:12] <[gen2] niki> there cant be any output
[02:12] <robinlinth> Is it safe to upgrade to Feisty? I could do it now but as I have experienced that is not so good because this is a PC, a working PC, and i would like to KEEP it working
[02:12] <robinlinth> There's still that risk.
[02:12] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: ok and you get no errors when you attempt to start x with nvidia?
[02:12] <robinlinth> It could break anytime
[02:13] <[gen2] niki> gnomefreak: you dont listen, do you? its hard to start x with nvidia if the module doesnt load.
[02:13] <[gen2] niki> -.-
[02:14] <mc44> robinlinth: then dont upgrade
[02:14] <TheSilentW> dystopianray, u there?
[02:14] <robinlinth> mc44, I'm just asking: Is it safe, right now, for a working PC?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: you said " i dont get any errors"
[02:14] <robinlinth> for a PC for everyday use? your OWN home pc?
[02:14] <mc44> [gen2] niki: sorry, I misread what card you have
[02:14] <dystopianray> thesilentw: so a window actually appeared?
[02:14] <robinlinth> the only PC in my room?
[02:14] <mc44> robinlinth: dont upgrade then
[02:14] <dystopianray> robinlinth: wait till the final release
[02:14] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: i want the xserver errors not dmesg
[02:15] <[gen2] niki> mc44: no problem. any idea what might be the reason? i think the restricted modules. how can i get rid of them
[02:15] <robinlinth> dystopianray, alright. What do i get when i upgrade?
[02:15] <dystopianray> robinlinth: you get feisty...
[02:15] <TheSilentW> dystopianray, yes, but crashs when i start a music file
[02:15] <mc44> [gen2] niki: restricted modules provide the driver, so getting rid of them wont help
[02:15] <robinlinth> dystopianray, and?
[02:15] <dystopianray> robinlinth: what else do you want?
[02:15] <robinlinth> well, i get feisty and with that i get what?
[02:15] <[gen2] niki> gnomefreak: sry ill ignore you for now. thats just dumb what you say. you need a loaded module to start it if you use nvidia. thats just bullshit
[02:15] <[gen2] niki> mc44: so what might be the reason?
[02:15] <mc44> robinlinth: read the release information when it comes out
[02:15] <[gen2] niki> nvidia-glx should be fine according to its version
[02:15] <dystopianray> thesilentw: is amarok using the xine engine?
[02:16] <mc44> [gen2] niki: did you install drivers from nvidia.com?
[02:16] <robinlinth> mc44, no i mean what do i get when i get feisty? what new features, bugfixes, speed boosts...
[02:16] <[gen2] niki> nope, i only had envy installed once, but it fucked up my system so i got rid of it
[02:16] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: you should get an error that states module could not be loaded .....
[02:16] <[gen2] niki> I HAVE ONE IN DMESG GODDAMN
[02:16] <[gen2] niki> sry.
[02:16] <mc44> robinlinth: yes, Im not about to list all the features for you. Read about it when it comes out or research on the web now
[02:16] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: watch your language
[02:17] <robinlinth> mc44, research.. okay, where? I'd search google, but i tried a few weeks ago and not many information was to be found. Is there an official page for Feisty info?
[02:17] <[gen2] niki> dont try to help if you have no idea.
[02:17] <mc44> !feisty | robinlinth
[02:17] <ubotu> robinlinth: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[02:17] <dystopianray> robinlinth: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/feistybeta
[02:17] <robinlinth> thanks :)
[02:18] <robinlinth> One thing that attracts me, though, is the #ubuntu+1 channel. It doesn't get flooded and your messages are seen and responded to, unlike in #ubuntu, where i have to use #ubuntu-offtopic as backup :P
[02:18] <TheSilentW> dystopianray, hmmm dont know, i am new to linux, sorry for the wait didnt see window flashing
[02:18] <gnomefreak> [gen2] niki: look ok you want to find out what drivers you need use the official build. im seeing you know no clue what drivers you need because i already searched and since nvidia has made major changes to their drivers do you know what cards ubuntu added to support for the -glx drivers?
[02:18] <mc44> robinlinth: ubutu-offtopic isnt backup for support. Please stop asking support question in there
[02:19] <dystopianray> thesilentw: in amarok's configuration screen you can select the engine to use, it should be using xine
[02:19] <gnomefreak> ubuntu did not add all geforce4 cardds to the -glx package
[02:19] <robinlinth> mc44, not support questions, but fairly offtopic. Like, a question on  how to do a thing. In #ubuntu such things don't get noticed, because their priority is fairly low.
[02:19] <TheSilentW> dystopianray, ok, i have some kind of problem here, cant open any windows
[02:20] <TheSilentW> let me just restart the pc
[02:20] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: ubuntu can't add anything, only nvidia have source code access
[02:20] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: are you sure about that?
[02:20] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: than how do we have -glx-new
[02:20] <gnomefreak> since its ubuntu only change
[02:20] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: it's from nvidia
[02:20] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: it's just the 97xx driver
[02:21] <Bonez56> hey guys, im having major problems with the nvidia driver (the 1.0.9577 .run package from nvidia.com) - every time I reboot, I have to re-install the driver, or X will not start. Has anyone come across this before? Strange thing is, it happens on two different Feisty machines, my laptop and desktop.
[02:21] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: nvidia-glx = 96xx, nvidia-glx-new = 97xx
[02:21] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: we dont support the run package from nvidia
[02:21] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: how did they end up that way since ubuntu only made the change
[02:21] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: we made that package
[02:21] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, is there any differences between the one from nvidia and the one from the repos? I don't know enough about it so i've always just used the nvidia ones, hehe. do you think it would be worth installing the ubuntu one?
[02:22] <gnomefreak> to help upgrades
[02:22] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: 96xx and 97xx support different hardware so both are available in ubuntu
[02:22] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: yes we support one from repos and it uses our l-r-m not nvidia built ones
[02:22] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, ok what is the package called for the latest nvidia/ubuntu driver?
[02:22] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: point being we had to change them to made them work nvidia did not change them for us.
[02:23] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: what card?
[02:23] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: ubuntu didn't change anything
[02:23] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: they're exactly the the same drivers from nvidia
[02:23] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: ubuntu is simply providing a choice between the two
[02:23] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, the laptop has a Nvidia GO 6600 and the desktop has a Nvidia 5700 LE
[02:23] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: ok go to nvidia.com find me nvidia-glx-new
[02:23] <mc44> dystopianray: well they did change the name :)
[02:23] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: nvidia-glx-new is the package you want
[02:23] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: the 9755 driver is nvidia-glx-new
[02:24] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, ok thanks, i'll try and install it now. once installed, do I need to update xorg.conf or will the package do it for me?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> dystopianray > gnomefreak: ubuntu can't add anything, only nvidia  have source code access  <<< not true as we changed it on our own. we had to build a new package for it and hence can change the drivers it supports
[02:24] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: ubuntu changed nothing with the drivers
[02:25] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: all ubuntu has done is provided 97xx under a different name, it's still exactly the same driver from nvidia
[02:25] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: oh ok i see so nvidia supports geforce4 cards in -glx package. no they dont but we do
[02:25] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: no, nvidia supports geforce4 in the 96xx drivers, which is what ubuntu's nvidia-glx is using
[02:26] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: nvidia's 97xx drivers do not support geforce4, so ubuntu provides that as nvidia-glx-new
[02:26] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, i've installed the package, but nothing has happened. do i need to update xorg.conf?
[02:26] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: nvidia doesnt have the 96xx drivers for geforce4 cards they have the legacy drivers (not sure what version legacy is but iirc its 7xxx drivers)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: yes
[02:26] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: no they have 96xx drivers
[02:27] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, what do I change the driver to?
[02:27] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: 7xxx is for very old cards, like tnt2 and geforce 2
[02:27] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: nvidia
[02:27] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: nvidia supply both 96xx and 97xx under the same name, but they have very different hardware support
[02:28] <Suurorca> what, no we have 3 different versions of the nvidia driver...
[02:28] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: so ubuntu provides 97xx as nvidia-glx-new to differentiate it form the 96xx driver
[02:28] <Bonez56> thanks gnomefreak  just testing it now
[02:28] <dystopianray> Suurorca: that is right
[02:28] <dystopianray> Suurorca: 7xxx, 96xx and 97xx
[02:29] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: the full point was your comment about nvidia only has source. than how did we build the -new drivers?
[02:29] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: $ mv nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new
[02:29] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: it's only a change in the package name, it's still exactly the same driver from nvidia, ubuntu changed nothing
[02:30] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: than seeing as that was done and was 9755 drivers where did they get nvidia-glx to support 96xx drivers?
[02:30] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: from nvidia
[02:31] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: all of these drivers come from nvidia.com
[02:31] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: in one package
[02:31] <gnomefreak> nvidia-glx
[02:31] <gnomefreak> but nvidia doesnt support geforce4 cards so that got moved to legtacy
[02:31] <gnomefreak> legacy
[02:31] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: nvidia-glx is just the 96xx driver straight from nvidia
[02:31] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: no, they suppor them in the 96xx driver
[02:31] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: geforce4 is not supported in the 97xx driver
[02:32] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: nvidia-glx = 96xx, nvidia-glx-new = 97xx
[02:32] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: so thier package nvidia-glx contains what driver?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> thier == nvidia
[02:32] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: they have several drivers available for downlaod
[02:32] <gnomefreak> only the 97xx drivers
[02:32] <TheSilentW> dystopianray, back
[02:32] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: they would be under older drivers than.
[02:33] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_archive.html
[02:34] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: 7xxx, 96xx and 97xx are all in ubuntu to maximise hardware support
[02:34] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: we are gonna have to drop 96xx soon maybe in gutsy
[02:34] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: why?
[02:34] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, i have now installed the nvidia-glx-new package but when I reboot X will not start, and it says No Screens Found
[02:35] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: too old no longer supported
[02:35] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: nvidia still support the 96xx driver
[02:35] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: they are old drivers read the date on them
[02:35] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: they no longer update them
[02:35] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: yes they do, but not with new features, just like the legacy drivers
[02:36] <gnomefreak> when was thier last update for the 96xx drivers?
[02:36] <dystopianray> probably late last year
[02:36] <gnomefreak> dec. 06
[02:36] <dystopianray> yes
[02:37] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: no updates since but there were problems that needed to be fixed and they didnt update the 96xx drivers
[02:37] <gnomefreak> hence 9755 drivers
[02:37] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: which problems?
[02:37] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: 97xx support different hardware
[02:37] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: go to thier forums
[02:37] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: the forums are full of problems in all their drivers
[02:37] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: 97xx supports 8800 cards
[02:38] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: all 97xx does is obsolete old hardware and introduce support for the latest cards
[02:38] <gnomefreak> sure it has the glx fix that 96xx never got. iirc they fixed glx issue in 96xx but there was another one shortly after and it was never fixed so they added that fix into the 97xx driver
[02:38] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, could you please look at this and see if you can tell what is wrong? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15787/
[02:39] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: the drivers are updated at nvidia's discretion
[02:39] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: did you ever install the drivers from nvidia or never got that far
[02:40] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, yes I used to have the nvidia driver, but I just uninstalled that, and then installed the nvidia-glx-new package
[02:40] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: did you run the script to uninstall it?
[02:40] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, yes i ran sudo sh NVIDIA-blahblah.sh --uninstall
[02:40] <Bonez56> sorry .bin
[02:41] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: ok can you pastebin the output of lspci -v
[02:41] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, sure stand by
[02:41] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: and open you xorg.conf file in edit mode. while your doign this ill go get coffee
[02:41] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15788/
[02:42] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, ok thanks
[02:42] <pollyo> Anyone know how to resolve this error: 25 DB Error: extension not found
[02:43] <pollyo> I'm attempting to setup phpgedview on apache2
[02:43] <pollyo> I'm thinking it might be a module missing
[02:46] <TheSilentW> LOLOL got amarok working
[02:46] <TheSilentW> dont really know how tho
[02:46] <TheSilentW> i think it was cause of kino
[02:47] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: what does the section under device say BusID line
[02:47] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, do you want me to pastebin my xorg.conf?
[02:48] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: no just need that line
[02:48] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, i'm not sure which section to look in, when i search for BusID it returns nothing in the whole file
[02:49] <gnomefreak> BusID           "PCI:2:09:0"  should look like that. scroll down to the section labled device
[02:49] <gnomefreak> there should be 3 lines in an un touched xorg.conf
[02:49] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, all I have is Identifier and Driver, then endsection
[02:50] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[02:50] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: ok run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:51] <`sam`> so after the final release of feisty will feisty users go to #ubuntu for help ?
[02:51] <gnomefreak> `sam`: yes
[02:51] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, it asked me if i wanted to autodetect hardware, i said yes, then it says no X server found for your hardware.
[02:51] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: do it again dont say yes
[02:52] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, ok, then just select nvidia?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: yes
[02:52] <gnomefreak> when you get to the busid part let me know
[02:53] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, ok it says PCI:1:0:0
[02:53] <gnomefreak> make it read PCI:1:00:0
[02:54] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, ok, done, now do I just continue as normal and answer the rest?
[02:54] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:54] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: you want to use framebuffer when it asks
[02:56] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, ok just rebooting (needed to do it anyway)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> k
[02:57] <gnomefreak> me too :(
[02:57] <shirish> guys can anybody help me, I have filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106714
[02:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 106714 in gnome-terminal "whenever press x gnome-terminal opens another window, instance" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:58] <zak_> how do i get mono-classlib-2.0?
[02:58] <stefg> Hmmm, it seems not very likely that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/105196 will be fixed before release. To be able to watch TV this means (once again) building my own kernel. Has anyone a clue why v4l (1) devices don't work with ubuntu-kernels? not even recompiling from the /ubuntu/-sources helped, needed to get vanilla sources.
[02:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 105196 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Regression: Terratec Cinergy 1200 DVB-T Card is no more working in Kernels 2.6.20-13 and -14" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:58] <zak_> it's a dependancy of a .deb designed for edgy... i don't think i actually need it though [i guess it just wraps a bunch of mono packages] ...
[02:59] <shirish> can anybody help me in fixing my gnome-terminal https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106714
[02:59] <ubotu> Malone bug 106714 in gnome-terminal "whenever press x gnome-terminal opens another window, instance" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:59] <Hobbsee> !repeat
[03:00] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[03:00] <Hobbsee> !repeat | shirish
[03:00] <ubotu> shirish: please see above
[03:00] <shirish> !patience
[03:00] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:00] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, x still did not start :(
[03:00] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: can i have the errors log please
[03:02] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15794/
[03:03] <stefg> Ans could any well informed operson tell me if my impression, that the linux-source package indoes /not/ hold the actual sources of which the recent kerenl (-14) is built from?
[03:04] <lupine_85> linux-source does hold the source
[03:04] <fryfrog> is "sudo aptitude show linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic" showing me what is currently installed?  or what is available?
[03:04] <lupine_85> linux-headers does not
[03:04] <nbound> okay ive finally got my kernel in a bootable state, how do i reinstall nvidia drivers from the command line
[03:04] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: i have this strange feeling either you not using the right l-r-m or the nvidia built modules are not completely gone
[03:04] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, it's possible that the nvidia modules aren't gone, the installer does warn you that it may not be able to remove them all
[03:04] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: yeah i know
[03:05] <gnomefreak> drop to tty and please run the uninstall again
[03:05] <gnomefreak> i want to make sure they are gone. and i cant remember where they are placed after built
[03:05] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, maybe I should just go back to using the nvidia driver for now, and once feisty comes out in final release i will rebuild my system and use the ubuntu package
[03:05] <stefg> lupine_85: i just build a kernel out of the ubuntu-source package, but found that a lot of bugs which were fixed in the last week reappeared...
[03:06] <`sam`> nbound, are you going from the nvidia kernel modules from nvidia.com to the ones in lrm?
[03:06] <gnomefreak> Bonez56: thats fine. i dont think there is any other kernel updates planned at this point until after release
[03:06] <lupine_85> !info linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[03:06] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.20 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20-15.25 (feisty), package size 23259 kB, installed size 69672 kB
[03:06] <nbound> `sam`, the ones that are installed by rdm
[03:06] <Bonez56> gnomefreak, ok thanks very much for the help :)
[03:06] <lupine_85> !info linux-source-2.6.20 feisty
[03:06] <ubotu> linux-source-2.6.20: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.20 with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20-15.25 (feisty), package size 46691 kB, installed size 46824 kB
[03:06] <gnomefreak> lupine_85: info in here is feisty
[03:07] <gnomefreak> sorry !info in here is feisty
[03:07] <lupine_85> good stuff
[03:07] <lupine_85> they're the same version
[03:07] <gnomefreak> yes
[03:07] <gnomefreak> that is the latest
[03:08] <elrob> 2.6.20-15.25 is wrong, i'm just getting 2.6.20-15.27 via aptitude
[03:08] <`sam`> i've been using the nvidia from the .bin file on nvidia.com, but i want to switch to the lrm so i won't have to manually reinstall every time there is a kernel update
[03:08] <gnomefreak> i though uname gave the point releases in info but i cant seem to get it to show that
[03:08] <lazka> .27 is the newest
[03:08] <gnomefreak> elrob: that is todays
[03:08] <gnomefreak> sorry forgot about that
[03:08] <nbound> .27 has all the fixes :P
[03:08] <gnomefreak> the bot will run its scan sooner or later and update it
[03:08] <elrob> gnomefreak: ah, okay :)
[03:09] <elrob> i was just wondering
[03:09] <chopp2010> hi, I have altered a users account and now am unable to do anything in ubuntu. looks like the window manager is not loading can anyone help
[03:09] <gnomefreak> elrob: we do that on purpose to you ;)
[03:09] <lazka> elrob: which card?
[03:09] <elrob> gnomefreak: no need for that, but thanks :)
[03:10] <elrob> lazka: me?
[03:10] <gnomefreak> chopp2010: did you make a backup beofr eediting anything?
[03:10] <chopp2010> :( nope
[03:10] <nbound> so back to my original question: ive finally got my kernel in a bootable state, how do i reinstall nvidia drivers from the command line (installed using restricted drivers manager) -- HELP! :'(
[03:10] <chopp2010> did it through the users and groups menu but am not able to access that with the root account as well
[03:10] <gnomefreak> chopp2010: than ther eisnt much you can do that im aware of. there maybe a way to rebuild it by default but booting ubuntu would help in that
[03:11] <elrob> stefg: it seems you card is working, but the permissions on the device are wrong
[03:11] <stefg> nbound: Do you have the corresponding nvidia-glx module for your running kernel?
[03:11] <elrob> stefg: are you in the group 'video'?
[03:12] <gnomefreak> chopp2010: sounds like you change the user settings. it should have made a backup for you. but i havent changed user info in a long time so if you find the file it should have a ~ after it
[03:12] <stefg> elrob: even if i set them right manually, i don't get data from the card. Some mispatched or misconfigured kernel
[03:12] <chopp2010> gnomefreak: where would I find that file?
[03:12] <gnomefreak> long time == sunce hoary
[03:12] <nbound> stefg, ill check
[03:13] <gnomefreak> chopp2010: off hand really not sure somewher ein /etc/ i would imagine
[03:13] <gnomefreak> s/sunce/since
[03:13] <stefg> elrob: something prevents all the stuff which needs video4linux ver.1 support from properly working, and i would like to know wht it is...
[03:13] <nbound> stefg, apparently its -15.20 i run -15.27
[03:13] <chopp2010> gonemfreak: I will have a look.. thanks !!
[03:14] <stefg> stef@alpha:~$ uname -a
[03:14] <stefg> Linux alpha 2.6.20-15-lowlatency #2 SMP PREEMPT Sat Apr 14 00:57:08 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:14] <elrob> stefg: well, and you're sure no data is passing from the adapter?
[03:14] <elrob> stefg: have you tried a 'scan' for dvb-channels?
[03:15] <stefg> elrob... ok, let me try that again
[03:16] <penguin42> is anyone else having problems with the clock being +1hour? I'm wondering if its a resume thing not understanding DST
[03:16] <nbound> dst should have ended ages ago
[03:17] <penguin42> no, dst *started* recently
[03:17] <penguin42> i.e. +1 hour in the UK
[03:17] <stefg> elrob, nbound: wait, i'm not a member of video... just added myself
[03:17] <nbound> ohhh haha, sorry, im an aussie :P
[03:17] <nbound> stefg, eh? video? :S
[03:17] <elrob> stefg: btw, which apps did you use to test? only vlc?
[03:18] <nbound> so can anyone tell me how the hell i reinstall my drivers so they damn work
[03:19] <pollyo> -25 DB Error: extension not found
[03:19] <penguin42> is there anything swish that integrates nicely with gnome to do encrypted filesystems ?
[03:19] <BluesKaj> nbound, which drivers ?
[03:19] <pollyo> Anyone know what that error would be?
[03:19] <pollyo> Am I missing a mod on apache?
[03:19] <pollyo> apache2?
[03:19] <elrob> nbound: well, first i'd fix /etc/X11/xorg.conf to get X working again :)
[03:20] <nbound> BluesKaj, nvidia ones installed with the restricted drivers manager, ive finally got my kernel bootable again, but it cant find the nvidia module, if i set my video mode to vesa i cant get usb, which happens to be my kb and mouse
[03:20] <elrob> nbound: usually it would be a substition of 'nvidia' with 'nv' (or contrary)
[03:20] <elrob> oh
[03:21] <nbound> haha yeah... any ideas?
[03:21] <pollyo> nbound: Did you make sure you have your modules match up with your kernel type?  generic with generic  or whatever you have/
[03:21] <nbound> yeah, i havent changed my kernel type
[03:21] <FOAD> nbound: if you're sure of all of the above, try
[03:22] <FOAD> sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common start
[03:22] <FOAD> and
[03:22] <FOAD> sudo
[03:22] <FOAD> er
[03:22] <FOAD> sudo depmod -a
[03:22] <thompa> i just upgraded (latest kernel upgrade)  now desktop cube dont work (was working with ctrl + alt) on macbook
[03:22] <stefg> for testing purposes i use :tzap -r -a0 "RTL" /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0, then  cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > test.mpg. This gives me a 0 byte file.... so no data from the card :-(
[03:22] <FOAD> It worked for me after the recent boot troubles.
[03:23] <FOAD> I also had to go to nvidia-glx-new
[03:23] <nbound> FOAD, then restart and all is well?
[03:23] <FOAD> Or at least, that worked for me.
[03:23] <BluesKaj> nbound . you may have to update your xserver-xorg file ...try synaptic after doing the sudo apr-get update ibn a terminal, and look for xserver-xorg-glx, or similar
[03:23] <thompa> i want the cube and filmstrip back
[03:23] <FOAD> nbound: then try if startx starts x
[03:23] <BluesKaj> sorry sudo apt-get update
[03:23] <nbound> BluesKaj, my packages are all upto date
[03:24] <nbound> wooooo X started!
[03:24] <nbound> i love you FOAD :P
[03:24] <FOAD> Cheers. ;)
[03:24] <BluesKaj> well not all drivers are included in updates
[03:27] <thompa> anyone know what happened to certain key bindings after kernel update, its a recurring issue
[03:27] <stefg> elroy, nbound: vlc throws, main input error: no suitable access module for `dvb:' although frontend is there. So can someone explain to me wtf is going on? I *hate* rolling my own kernel and caring for nvidia and vmplayer and stuff myself.... pleaaaasssseee, ubuntu-gods, give me just a working kernel, as it was in breezy, even early dapper kernels worked....
[03:29] <thompa> i cant believe how good macbook is running in ubuntu
[03:30] <chopp2010> hi, I have altered a users account and now am unable to do anything in ubuntu. looks like the window manager is not loading can anyone help
[03:31] <thompa> chopp2010: can you create a new account then fix it?
[03:31] <elrob> stefg: hm, strange, honestly your dmesg doesn't look suspicious to me.
[03:31] <penguin42> chopp2010: Do you know what you changed about the user account?
[03:32] <chopp2010> penguin42: changed it to root :()
[03:32] <penguin42> anyone use cryptsetup?
[03:32] <penguin42> chopp2010: Hmm - what exactly do you mean by that?
[03:33] <elrob> stefg: i wouldn't guess that mplayer would work, but it could be worth a try
[03:33] <chopp2010> penguin42: changed added root as one of its groups but it is not allowed to load the window manager and now logging in as root I am not allowed to open the users and groups
[03:33] <elrob> stefg: you just have to copy your channels.conf to ~/.mplayer/
[03:33] <thompa> is anyone running the desktop effects (compiz) on a notebook, How do you cube?
[03:34] <elrob> stefg: and then do a mplayer dvb://0@RTL
[03:34] <penguin42> thompa: Yes I am
[03:34] <penguin42> thompa: ctrl-alt-left
[03:34] <thompa> penguin42: and fimstrip?
[03:34] <thompa> *filmstrip is it down arrow
[03:34] <penguin42> filmstrip?
[03:35] <stefg> elrob: yeah, the setup /looks/ alright.. i'm quite seasoned with getting TV-cards to work . I vaguely recall a mailing list posting of one of the kernel devs that there was some problem with v4l 1 devices, but couldn't find it again. If i know, what the problem is, i could fix it myself
[03:35] <thompa> like a filmstrip view maybe
[03:35] <penguin42> thompa: Ah yes - ctrla-lt-down - but it doesn't quite work as I expect
[03:36] <thompa> penguin42: i get with ctrl alt arrow , only up arrow works and it brings windows to front
[03:36] <esso> hi there
[03:36] <esso> someone who now where to download codec..audio and video
[03:36] <thompa> penguin42: latest kernel upgrade changed it,
[03:36] <penguin42> thompa: I've got 9 work spaces in a 3x3 arrangement on the normal workspace manager - the windows don't seem to appear in the places corresponding to the workplaces
[03:36] <`sam`> filmstrip view is ctrl-alt-tab maybe
[03:36] <penguin42> thompa: The kernel upgrade changed a key binding??!!
[03:37] <thompa> penguin42: yes, twice now
[03:37] <penguin42> thompa: *weird*
[03:37] <thompa> penguin42: a few days ago same, then back again
[03:37] <thompa> penguin42: well its a macbook
[03:37] <chopp2010> esso: http://www.getautomatix.com/ this should get everything you need
[03:37] <penguin42> thompa: Ah ok :-)
[03:37] <chopp2010> hi, I have altered a users account and now am unable to do anything in ubuntu. looks like the window manager is not loading can anyone help
[03:37] <LjL> !automatix | chopp2010, esso
[03:37] <ubotu> chopp2010, esso: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[03:37] <esso> tried Automatix
[03:38] <esso> Rythmboz and other applications still won't play MP3 and so...
[03:38] <esso> Rythmbox*
[03:38] <thompa> penguin42: maybe ill just wait a while, rather than mess around
[03:38] <elrob> stefg: actually i'm not sure that is has anything to do with v4l, you're accessing your frontend via /dev/dvb/adapterX
[03:38] <`sam`> !worksforme
[03:38] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[03:38] <`sam`> !WorksForMe
[03:38] <`sam`> oh
[03:39] <elrob> stefg: of course you can try to access it with v4l, but you'll need to tell it vlc: vlc v4l://...
[03:39] <_4strO> !adduser | chopp2010
[03:39] <ubotu> chopp2010: To add new users to your Ubuntu system, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto - For administrative privileges, users need to be made members of the group "admin" - See !sudo
[03:39] <xipietotec> Some weird behavior from nautilus now.... using search on / doesn't search all the sub directories correctly. Also, in my places List I no longer have Filesystem, Instead I have /dev/
[03:39] <elrob> stefg: that's my understanding (haven't done much neither with v4l nor with dvb)
[03:40] <esso> isn't it something I can run in the terminal to get codecs?
[03:40] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[03:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:40] <elrob> stefg: this is why i would use mplayer to do another test
[03:40] <_4strO> esso: apt-get ?
[03:40] <_4strO> lol
[03:41] <thompa> anyone else running macbook, need some keybinding advice?
[03:41] <stefg> elrob: the card won't give me any data! So vlc is generally clever enough, i'm trying xine now. But afaics it's a stupid kernel bug, because some ubuntu-patch does not work right
[03:41] <thompa> still works better than osx. even touchpad movement is better in ubuntu which is weird
[03:42] <chopp2010> ubotu: dont wish to add user wish to change a users groups as one is damaged
[03:42] <penguin42> thompa: Tha'ts pretty surprising!  So what keys are you having problems with - and which language macbook do you have?
[03:42] <HorizonXP> hey
[03:42] <chopp2010> hehe got had by a bot :()
[03:42] <HorizonXP> i'm seeing a kernel update for Feisty Fawn
[03:42] <HorizonXP> is this ok to install?
[03:42] <stefg> elrob: xine works...1 :-)... just got it working.
[03:43] <thompa> penguin42: im in us mode, ctrl + alt do nothing, touchpad works with 3-4 finder tap for right click (i like that)
[03:43] <elrob> stefg: well, as i said, i wouldn't trust vlc fully
[03:43] <elrob> stefg: but i don't know why the cat wouldn't give any data either
[03:43] <`sam`> HorizonXP, the 2.6.20-15.27 should be ok to install
[03:44] <LjL> chopp2010, define "altered"
[03:44] <stefg> elrob: obviously.... hmmmm..... tim to /j #videolan, i guess,
[03:44] <elrob> stefg: anyway, it must be vlc then that's not working correctly ;)
[03:44] <thompa> penguin42: in keyboard layout from sstem: pref, i set to macbook, but no change
[03:44] <HorizonXP> sam: I'm seeing 2.6.20.15.14
[03:44] <penguin42> thompa: Lack of ctrl+alt is pretty odd; when you say you are in us mode, is it a us macbook or a diffrent one?
[03:44] <chopp2010> Ljl: changed group to root
[03:44] <_4strO> chopp2010: can you paste your /etc/passwd
[03:44] <thompa> us macbook, i only use english on this also
[03:44] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[03:44] <HorizonXP> `sam`: I'm seeing 2.6.20.15.14
[03:45] <penguin42> thompa: OK, out of them all you would think a US one had the best chance!   Does ctrl work at the console or is it just an Xism ?
[03:45] <aaroncampbell> That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir
[03:45] <stefg> elrob: i wqas convinced it's a kernel bug, coz kaffeine didn't do it either... but kaffeine is picky about TV-cards anyway
[03:45] <LjL> chopp2010: why?! well, change it back, should be doable easily from the terminal i suppose
[03:45] <aaroncampbell> However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package
[03:45] <aaroncampbell> What can I do to get rid of it?
[03:45] <esso> thank you for links...I think I've got MP3-support now..bye
[03:46] <HorizonXP> is 2.6.20.15.14 Kernel update ok to install?
[03:46] <Hidan> mmmm... so Release date = Release Candidate date, huh? Oh that's good. :)
[03:46] <thompa> penguin42: ctrl works like enter key in console
[03:47] <xipietotec> anyone know why I do not have Filesystem anymore?
[03:47] <chopp2010> LjL: whatever I do I could not mount a disk.
[03:47] <`sam`> HorizonXP, do you see the linux-image package?
[03:47] <shirish> guys is IDE & SATA same or different?
[03:47] <Hidan> shirish : hey! :D
[03:47] <HorizonXP> `sam`: linux-image-generic, yes... same version
[03:47] <Hidan> shirish: what? IDE is different from SATA... SATA gives you faster speeds and is a hardware design, if i'm not wrong.
[03:47] <LjL> chopp2010: are you member of the "cdrom" and "floppy" groups? (type "groups")
[03:47] <thompa> penguin42: the layout function map blinks correctly when i push ctrl or alt
[03:48] <elrob> stefg: yeah, that's why i tend to use mplayer for such stuff, it let me never down :)
[03:48] <elrob> stefg: and if it's not working, it's very talkative on the console
[03:48] <`sam`> HorizonXP, somebody was reporting seeing it as taht last night too...
[03:48] <penguin42> thompa: if ctrl isn't working right in console then that's where I would start
[03:48] <`sam`> HorizonXP, where are you looking and seeing that version number?
[03:48] <_4strO> shirish: google is your friend ...
[03:49] <penguin42> thompa: I don't kno wif it is still the same but have you tried a dpkg-reconfigure console-data    ?
[03:49] <thompa> penguin42: what should it do
[03:49] <penguin42> thompa: It should ask you for your keyboard type
[03:49] <HorizonXP> `sam`: update-manager popped up saying i have 26 updates, and it's saying from Version 2.6.20.14.12 to 2.6.20.15.14 for those packages
[03:49] <penguin42> thompa: Then set it up to load that map at boot
[03:49] <stefg> elrob: to be honest i can't really stand the mplayer-ui :-).... but i think i'll have to live with that, or with xine, if i want TV with feisty
[03:49] <thompa> penguin42: ill maybe try that
[03:50] <thompa> thanks
[03:50] <`sam`> HorizonXP, does it also say something like "from version 2.6.20-15.something to 2.6.20-15.27" ?
 LjL: whatever I do I could not mount a disk. ....
[03:50] <penguin42> thompa: I just think the best way is to get the console right first and then convince X of the right thing
[03:51] <thompa> penguin42: console data not installed, so i guess i need that
[03:51] <LjL> _4strO: ?
[03:51] <`sam`> HorizonXP, the 2.6.20.15.14 is "a placeholder package" or something (quoting crimsun's reply to this last night)
[03:51] <elrob> stefg: i've to admit that the GUI isn't very usable, too, but the hope will die last (that it will some day be a bit "polished") :)
[03:51] <_4strO> think chopp2010 understand anything
[03:51] <thompa> penguin42: i got console setup though
[03:52] <HorizonXP> `sam`: Linux-libc-dev has -14.23 to -15.27
[03:52] <thompa> penguin42: its asking for keyboard model
[03:52] <`sam`> yeah ok
 elrob: to be honest i can't really stand the mplayer-ui :-).... but i think i'll have to live with that, or with xine, if i want TV with feisty <== I used Kaffeine, which worked very nicely in gnome.
[03:52] <`sam`> HorizonXP, so it's most likely the -15.27 kernel
[03:52] <thompa> penguin42: it says its on gneric 105 intl
[03:52] <penguin42> thompa: ah well it ain't is it!
[03:53] <shiris1> sorry guys keep getting disconnected
[03:53] <thompa> no
[03:53] <`sam`> HorizonXP, i don't get the "placeholder package" thing, but that was what somebody was saying last night
[03:53] <penguin42> thompa: Does it give you any choices?
[03:53] <shiris1> so where was I, is IDE & SATA same or different?
[03:53] <HorizonXP> `sam`: ok, i'm just going to go with it
[03:53] <limetang> I can't get fglrx to work at all. I had it working, tried to reconfigure it due to some XGL problems, it didn't work. I then reverted back to an old xorg.conf that worked and now big desktop doesn't work and direct rendering = no.
[03:53] <HorizonXP> `sam`: Here's hoping it doesn't mess anything up
[03:53] <_4strO> shiris browse google ...
[03:53] <thompa> penguin42: lots, just like in preferences keyboard. there is macbook
[03:53] <penguin42> thompa: Sounds worth a go
[03:54] <thompa> penguin42: in the preferences i have macbook set, in console its the 105 intl,
[03:54] <shiris1> _4strO: thnx for the suggestion
[03:54] <thompa> ill try that
[03:54] <_4strO> shiris1: you're nor on #wikipedia :p
[03:54] <Tuple1> !breakage
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about breakage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:54] <thompa> penguin42: thanks again. everything works, wireless even now too, i dont care about isite
[03:55] <LjL> !botabuse
[03:55] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[03:55] <penguin42> thompa: Hey no problem - enjoy
[03:55] <shiris1> not related, but what is the command to change nick /nick <nickname> right?
[03:55] <LjL> shiris1: right. also keep !nickspam in mind.
[03:55] <limetang> Yes.
[03:55] <Lunar_Lamp> shiris1, correct.
[03:56] <shiris1> LjL: I lost my nick as got disconnected early on.
[03:56] <Hidan|Afk> shirish: shirish: what? IDE is different from SATA... SATA gives you faster speeds and is a hardware design, if i'm not wrong.
[03:56] <shiris1> LjL: I know there is something like 15 mins. or something when u can recover the nick
[03:57] <Hidan|Afk> shirish: SATA is the format for most new hdds now, besides SCSI and a few other formats.
[03:57] <_4strO> shiris1: block until your old nick still connected ;)
[03:57] <shiris1> Hidan|Afk: yes, you are right, I was just confirming, there is a bug which I have subscribed to, and given details
[03:57] <limetang> I can't get fglrx to work at all. I had it working, tried to reconfigure it due to some XGL problems, it didn't work. I then reverted back to an old xorg.conf that worked and now big desktop doesn't work and direct rendering = no.
[03:58] <richb> Hey all:-)
[03:58] <shiris1> _4strO: could u please elaborate what do u mean by that?
[03:58] <_4strO> shiris1: you cant get your old nick while is still connected
[03:59] <Hidan|Afk> shiris1: your original nick needs to time out first or be kicked off the server.
[03:59] <shiris1> _4strO: Hidan|Afk: exactly so just have to wait
[03:59] <_4strO> yep
[03:59] <Hidan|Afk> shirish: if your nick is registered... you can ghost your nick.
[03:59] <richb> shiris1: You can use ghost.
[04:00] <richb> But this is offtopic:-)
[04:00] <Hidan|Afk> shirs1: huh bug, huh? :P Oh well, good luck on that. i need to get back to my work. :x
[04:00] <LjL> shiris1: /msg nickserv ghost shirish yourpassword, followed by /nick shirish
[04:01] <shiris1> ok this is cool
[04:01] <shirish> ok back to being who I am
[04:03] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[04:03] <aaroncampbell> That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.  What can I do to get rid of it?
[04:03] <Hidan|Afk> grrrr that's it... i need some Converge... some hard, screaming music but that's all off-topic.
[04:04] <shirish> ok can somebody help me in finding out what is wrong with my gnome-terminal , whenever I hit the letter 'x' (without the quotes) a new instance of the gnome-terminal opens up
[04:04] <shirish> Hidan|Afk: you need much more than (dryly) but that's all offtopic
[04:05] <DreamThief> anyone inhere got 32bit java working inside a 64bit firefox?
[04:06] <Pimp1984> Hi guys - I have a major problem. I'm using Feisty and had set up a software RAID 1. The problem is that the installer failed at the 'select and install software' stage. Now I just want to get rid of the RAID setup and start over. How do I do that?
[04:07] <Pimp1984> TheHard disks were blank before I started this too.
[04:09] <`sam`> you need to pimp that drive!
[04:10] <Pimp1984> Not funny sam. All I want is some constructive help.
[04:10] <Hidan|Afk> shirish: humph... whatever. :p
[04:12] <`sam`> it was a little bit funny, you can't be serious all the time and stress out, you'll never solve problems that way
[04:13] <aaroncampbell> `sam`: however, I have to agree...when someone IS stressed, making a lame crack like that is annoying.
[04:13] <chopp2010> hi for some reason i am not able to access the users and groups menu as the root user in recovery mode can anyone help?
[04:13] <aaroncampbell> as for Pimp1984 ...I haven't used software RAIDs in any remotely current linux...so I have no Idea how to help you
[04:14] <penguin42> Pimp1984: OK, so what stage are you at - back at the installer?
[04:14] <`sam`> lame is replying with "so i have no idea how to help you"
[04:14] <aaroncampbell> go away
[04:15] <Pimp1984> I was at the select and install software stage, but as that failed and a restart of that stage didn't work, I rebooted and tried again. That didn't work. As I've found that some files on the disc are faulty, I just want to remove what I've done so far (the software RAID and partitions). The computer is currently turned off.
[04:15] <chopp2010> hi for some reason i am not able to access the users and groups menu as the root user in recovery mode can anyone help?
[04:16] <penguin42> Pimp1984: OK, so put the install CD back in and repartition it
[04:18] <shirish> ok guys, I am getting disconnected after every 5 minutes, what could be the reason for this?
[04:19] <[miles] > afternoon guys...
[04:20] <shirish> afternoon miles
[04:22] <Pimp1984> Ok - the partitions are deleted and it just shows the contents of the disks as 'FREE SPACE'. Shall I just select 'finish partitioning and write changes to disk'?
[04:22] <penguin42> yes - but it should then complain you haven't got a  / - but if it's written the empty lot then you can go back and tell it to do something sensible
[04:23] <Enselic`> Is anyone able to run cinelerra on AMD64?
[04:24] <Pimp1984> Ok - it gave me that problem with the no root. I selected 'Go Back'. What do I do now?
[04:25] <[miles] > hello shirish
[04:25] <shirish> hi miles, whats up?
[04:25] <[miles] > guys.... I bought a new laptop (Samsung R20) the other week
[04:25] <[miles] > ALSA was dead...
[04:25] <[miles] > now, I've just built from kernel.org 2.6.20.7 ...
[04:25] <[miles] > and it works
[04:26] <[miles] > shirish: I've been going la-la with out sound :-)
[04:26] <[miles] > actually, I'll check if the BT is supported now too
[04:26] <shirish> well I have sound, but thousands of other problems abound
[04:27] <[miles] > jeje
[04:27] <[miles] > ok, BT does not work, but sound does now
[04:27] <[miles] > shirish: is 2.6.20-15 ubuntu's patched version of 2.6.20 ?
[04:27] <Toma-> yep.
[04:27] <shirish> [miles] : it has gone through many a grind, 2.6.20 series
[04:27] <[miles] > hi Toma-
[04:27] <Toma-> hello
[04:28] <[miles] > mmm so I need to track what the problem is
[04:28] <[miles] > cos I only did a straight copy of the 2.6.20-15 config
[04:28] <[miles] > and built it
[04:28] <penguin42> Pimp1984: Can you now at this point just tell it to automatically partition - or create yourself a / and a swap patition
[04:28] <[miles] > damn it :-|
[04:28] <Toma-> [miles] : its basically .20 with all the security patches and bug fixes that are in the more current kernels
[04:28] <shirish> Toma: can u help why my gnome-terminal starts another instance of itself when I press 'x' (without the quotes)
[04:29] <Pimp1984> Do you mean I should try the guided partitioning option?
[04:29] <Toma-> shirish: open gnome-terminal and change the keyboard shortcuts?
[04:29] <shirish> Toma-: I have not done any keyboard-shortcuts, is there a way to look at what keyboard-shortcuts are?
[04:30] <Toma-> shirish: ummm Gnome-terminal > Edit > Keyboard shortcuts... look for New Tab and New Window
[04:30] <Toma-> make sure its SHIFT CTRL T and N
[04:30] <shirish> Toma-: ah, ok thnx
[04:31] <penguin42> Pimp1984: Well you can do guided or just create yourself a / and swap by hand
[04:31] <[miles] > has the kernel been frozen yet?
[04:31] <shirish> Toma-: silly me, I made a bug for it, although i had not known the existence of the shortcuts till you told me.
[04:32] <Toma-> [miles] : frozen for final?
[04:32] <penguin42> [miles] : It seems they are having some driver problems over the last few days
[04:32] <[miles] > ah
[04:32] <[miles] > so if I report a bug..
[04:32] <Pimp1984> Ok, I've created root and swap on both disks and configured all the partitions for RAID. There's a lot of free space left on both, but should I try writing the changes now, or should I configure the software RAID?
[04:32] <shirish> Toma-: do u remember me going ga-ga for I was not getting usplash
[04:32] <[miles] > there is a chance of getting it upstream?
[04:33] <penguin42> Pimp1984: Hang on - I thought you said you wanted to get rid of the RAID?
[04:33] <Toma-> shirish: nope :)
[04:33] <Pimp1984> Yes - and start over. I want RAID eventually though.
[04:33] <penguin42> ah ok - do you want to raid / and swap or just a data partition?
[04:33] <shirish> Toma-: well, I just solved it, it seems usplash needs more than 1 MB VRAM, somehow in my BIOS VRAM was set at 1 MB, when I changed to 8 MB the usplash is there.
[04:34] <Toma-> oh right
[04:34] <Toma-> weird!
[04:34] <Pimp1984> I want RAID for all four partitions - root, usr, swap and home.
[04:34] <yag> can using ubuntu on a network cause problems in a windows machine on the same network?
[04:34] <penguin42> Pimp1984: Ah OK, so it's best to create those now
[04:34] <shirish> Toma-: although it worked for windows (the usplash) even though it was 1 mb. Should I reject the bug I had written about it? or what do u think?
[04:35] <yag> i've got feisty installed and it can access ICS on the windows machine- i know- it probably is a windows bug- nonetheless, i jjust want to make sure its not ubuntu-related
[04:35] <Toma-> shirish: you mean windows splash screen?
[04:36] <shirish> Toma-: yup I meant the boot splash screen, in windows it works on 1 MB VRAM for ubuntu apparently it requires 8 mb VRAM. On 1 MB I get strange errors.
[04:36] <Pimp1984> Ok - all partitions have been created on both disks. Should I write try to write the changes or configure the software RAID?
[04:36] <penguin42> 1MB is probably a bit tight
[04:36] <penguin42> Pimp1984: Configure the RAID now
[04:36] <Toma-> shirish: windows boot splash is like.... 640x480 in resolution. its terrible. usplash is usually about 4 times that res :)
[04:37] <Pimp1984> Got to the Create Multidisk stage. Do I want to try and create those, or see if there are any left over from my previous attempt that I should delete?
[04:38] <shirish> Toma-: do not know that, but it looks cool,  couldn't ubuntu also make so that if the hardware does not have 8 MB VRAM then it should dumb down to 640*480 usplash ? Just a curiousity
[04:39] <Pimp1984> It's thrown up an error about 'deleting the multidisk device because it may be in use'.
[04:40] <Toma-> shirish: could do, but thats more a usplash usability bug
[04:41] <shirish> toma: yup, hence have filed it.
[04:42] <Toma-> shirish: fair enough
[04:42] <penguin42> Pimp1984: damn - can you drop to a shell?
[04:42] <shirish> Toma:- can u look at the bugs, the one which I have self-rejected as well as the one which I have filed?
[04:43] <Pimp1984> Do I press Continue or go back for that?
[04:43] <Toma-> sure, just give me the links
[04:43] <penguin42> Pimp1984: How comfortable are you at a shell?
[04:44] <Pimp1984> If you give me the commands I'll have a go. I've played around with the shell when I've used Slackware in the past.
[04:44] <shirish> Toma:- ok here u go, bug #102378 is the one which I self-rejected
[04:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 102378 in usplash "Not able to boot with usplash" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102378
[04:44] <penguin42> Pimp1984: So what are your two discs? sda & sdb ?
[04:45] <Pimp1984> Yeah
[04:45] <penguin42> Pimp1984: OK, I'm just going to wipe the partition tables by hand - ok?
[04:45] <penguin42> Pimp1984: do ctrl-alt-f2 and you should get a shell
[04:45] <shirish> Toma-: the other one which I have filed, bug #106769 about usplash unable to work at 1 MB VRAM.
[04:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 106769 in usplash "usplash does not work at 1 MB VRAM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106769
[04:46] <penguin42> one thing feisty fixed for me was the splash which on this laptop was monochrome
[04:46] <Toma-> shirish: there are other boot splash options you cn install from the repos
[04:47] <Pimp1984> Ok, I'm in ash.
[04:47] <shirish> Toma:- I was not aware of that, can u please tell me?
[04:47] <penguin42> Pimp1984: ok, this will write 0's over your disc
[04:47] <Toma-> yeh hang on a tick
[04:47] <sonium> is it normal that the partitions on my system are not automaticaly mounted?
[04:47] <shirish> Toma:- sure
[04:47] <penguin42> Pimp1984: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda  bs=1024k
[04:47] <[miles] > erm, so is there still a chance I can log a bug report and possibly get it fixed and upstream?
[04:47] <penguin42> Pimp1984: Give that 30s or so and then hit ctrl-c
[04:48] <Toma-> [miles] : whats the bug? and sure. most bugs endup getting fixed upstream anyway
[04:48] <[miles] > Toma-: my sound in the laptop. ...
[04:48] <penguin42> Pimp1984: then do the same with sdb instead of sda
[04:48] <[miles] > Toma-: as I said, i compiled 2.6.20.7  from kernel.org, and sound works
[04:48] <penguin42> [miles] : None - or just very very quiet?
[04:49] <[miles] > penguin42: none.
[04:49] <[miles] > penguin42: I rebuilt alsa the other week
[04:49] <[miles] > penguin42: did various tests with the guys in #alsa
[04:49] <penguin42> ah not the same problem as this one
[04:49] <Pimp1984> Ok
[04:49] <[miles] > nothing
[04:49] <penguin42> Report the bug
[04:49] <Pimp1984> Done that
[04:49] <[miles] > Pimp1984: if you want to kill your HD look at dban.sf.net
[04:49] <sonium> can someone give me the link to the feisty bugreport site?
[04:50] <penguin42> Pimp1984: Now reboot into the installer again - and then just create the RAIDs etc - there shouldn't be anything left on it
[04:50] <sonium> I don't find it anymore
[04:50] <Toma-> [miles] : yeh file a bug. mention in the report that compiling .20.7 fixes it, and attach the config files you used too
[04:50] <penguin42> [miles] : Just trying to remove the partitioning etc rather than securely
[04:50] <Pimp1984> Do I do the same command for sdb, or should I just go to reboot the installer?
[04:50] <penguin42> do the same for sdb
[04:50] <[miles] > Toma-: config file was copied from 2.6.20-15 in /boot
[04:50] <shirish> sonium: bugs.launchpad.net
[04:51] <shirish> sonium: you will have to register there though
[04:51] <Arko> hi
[04:53] <sonium> and what package should I choos for multimedia keyboard keys bugs?
[04:54] <[miles] > Toma-: I'll prepare a bug report later, but g/f has got laptop atm .. I'll make sure it fully details modules, etc
[04:54] <[miles] > bbl guys, thanks for the info btw! ciao
[04:54] <shirish> sonium:- look if there is some package called gnome-keybinding-properties
[04:55] <shirish> sonium:- if you used keyboard shortcuts from System > Preferences > Keyboard shortcuts then it would be that one
[04:56] <sonium> yes, that's it
[04:56] <sonium> but there is a similar bug for a package called banshee
[04:57] <[BTF] Chm0d> is there a graphical way of making an iso from your cdrom?
[04:57] <shirish> sonium: you can usually find which program it is by generally using the right-click on the menu item, throwing the shortcut to the desktop or panel & right-clicking & finding the properties of it
[04:57] <Pimp1984> Ok - there are no partitions or 'FREE SPACE' shown on the partition disks screen. Do I assume that the multidisks are gone aswell, or should I check that?
[04:58] <penguin42> Pimp1984: They'll have gone
[04:58] <shirish> [BTF] Chm0d: there is k3b which is supposed to do that, have not used it to make .iso's hence no idea
[04:58] <Pimp1984> Nice one - cheers. If you lived in Hull i'd buy you a beer right now!
[04:59] <Pimp1984> I guess all I should do is abort the installer and go and find a disk image that works properly.
[04:59] <dystopianray> [BTF] Chm0d: what sort of isos do you want to make?
[05:01] <[BTF] Chm0d> dystopianray, ive tried k3b on gnome and it doesn't like it.  It froze pooter up completely had to hold pwr button down to reboot
[05:01] <penguin42> Pimp1984: I don't think I've been that far east :-)
[05:01] <Pimp1984> Where do you live?
[05:01] <penguin42> Mancy
[05:01] <dystopianray> [BTF] Chm0d: hrrm, might be something with how it's interacting with the drives now that things are using libata
[05:01] <[BTF] Chm0d> im want to make an .iso of my gaming cd that has a bunch of flash games on it
[05:01] <sonium> there is no packaged called gnome-keybinding-properties
[05:02] <dystopianray> [BTF] Chm0d: you want to copy the cd to an iso on your hdd?
[05:02] <[BTF] Chm0d> yes
[05:02] <dystopianray> [BTF] Chm0d: $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=games.iso
[05:03] <[BTF] Chm0d> thats it?
[05:03] <dystopianray> [BTF] Chm0d: yes
[05:03] <llutz_> [BTF] Chm0d: pure data-cd, not protected? then: cat /dev/cdrom >/tmp/disk.iso
[05:03] <[BTF] Chm0d> LOL
[05:04] <shirish> sonium: then the best way would be to describe your problem hopefully you will see a list where keyboard shortcuts is written, read a few of those on other tabs & you will know which package they depend on
[05:04] <FFIXXX> hi i really cant get my printer to work, it was working fine before though...
[05:05] <jarle> When I have linux-image 2.6.20.5-15.27 installed, would also need linux-restricted-modules 2.6.20.5-15.27, and not just 2.6.20.5-15.20??? So I just have to hang tight until linux-restricted-modules 2.6.20.5-15.27 hits the repos??
[05:06] <k`ubuntu> im experiencing a kinda strange thing, altho its not even sure its connected with Feisty but I will write it down
[05:06] <dystopianray> jarle: no that is the correct restricted-modules package
[05:06] <LupinZX> hi, i'm using the feisty beta and i'm having this problem where my keyboard and mouse suddenly just lock up, why it do this?
[05:06] <dystopianray> i wonder how likely the april 15 daily livecd is to be the RC
[05:07] <jarle> dystopianray: hmmm "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!"
[05:07] <dystopianray> LupinZX: does the whole computer lockup? or only input?
[05:07] <Pimp1984> Mancy?
[05:07] <k`ubuntu> so, my problem is, when I boot to Ubuntu, and realising I wanted to use Windows, im just Restart-ing from the login screen. then choose Windows from Grub menu. then the Windows loading Freezing TOTALLY. that means, CTRL ALT DEL not even working. complete freeze, with the progress bar frozen aswell. and ONLY when restarting from Feisty
[05:07] <penguin42> Pimp1984: Mancychester
[05:07] <gnomefreak> they are spinning the ISO's now
[05:07] <misfit_toy> jarle, that's what I get with all the new kernels for the last 3 days, I'm back on 14-386
[05:07] <jarle> dystopianray: I thought the nvidia-legacy driver was supposed to be working by now?
[05:07] <dystopianray> jarle: it should be
[05:07] <gnomefreak> i would say expect it monday/tuesdayish
[05:07] <Pimp1984> lol - when you said 'that far east', I thought you meant America!
[05:08] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: so if you powerdown and then go into windows it is fine?
[05:08] <penguin42> :-)
[05:08] <Pimp1984> How long have you used linux then?
[05:08] <jarle> misfit_toy: Have been there for a week too.... using "nv" until it is fixed, I was hoping the the new kernel would fix it...
[05:08] <LupinZX> sorry bout that
[05:08] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, yes, perfect. if I choose the Windows from Grub menu first it works 100/100 cases (I believe happened the same with the 6.10 stable aswell)
[05:09] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: ok, well the question is... is this a problem with ubuntu.. or a problem with windows?
[05:09] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: can kubuntu boot if your restart from windows?
[05:09] <misfit_toy> jarle, it's something in the way the nvidia drivers interact with the kernel, or likely the headers...but I am using nvidia-glx just fine with the 14-386 kernel.
[05:09] <shirish> k`ubuntu: also is it xp or Vista?
[05:10] <k`ubuntu> XP ofcourse. I wouldnt even call Vista a Windows, so bad that is
[05:10] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, using Ubuntu not Kub, but yes, ONLY happening if I restart from the Ubuntu loginscreen
[05:10] <k`ubuntu> I think it works altho when I reboot after login into ubuntu
[05:10] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: well I don't know if it's the fault of windows or ubuntu
[05:10] <k`ubuntu> not 100% sure about this
[05:11] <misfit_toy> so what's the story on this 15.27 kernel?
[05:11] <dystopianray> misfit_toy: what do you mean?
[05:11] <jarle> misfit_toy: I have to use the nvidia-legacy driver, Haven'nt been able to get it working on any kernel after upgrading to feisty...
[05:11] <misfit_toy> dystopianray, is it fixed or not?
[05:11] <dystopianray> misfit_toy: should be
[05:11] <misfit_toy> jarle, what nvidia card?
[05:11] <shirish> guys are there any minimum specs written to run ubuntu 7.04?
[05:12] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, was working with the 5.14 perfectly. then I switched to 6.10, then this problem appeared, and still available in Feisty. using a notebook if it helps, but dont even know how could I track it out, whats buggy :)
[05:12] <jarle> misfit_toy: GForce 2/Pro
[05:12] <dystopianray> misfit_toy: .26 and .27 have a single libata related fix each
[05:12] <k`ubuntu> shirish, a P3 1000mhz with a lowcost VGA (geforec2 or so) should work well with 256+512 ram. dont know about official req-s
[05:12] <misfit_toy> jarle, remove nvidia-legacy and try nvidia-glx now, it supports older cards like yours and mine, then there is the nvidia-new for newer cards.
[05:12] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: hrrm well I have no idea, maybe try to find out if other people are having the same problems
[05:13] <shirish> k`ubuntu: there should be some official specs somewhere
[05:13] <jarle> misfit_toy: You sure my card is supported in nvidia-glx? You have a link?
[05:13] <misfit_toy> jarle, this nvidia-glx is new as of last week and works on my geforce4 440 go.
[05:13] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, how? :) google failed, but it might be about changing other keywords. Should I try posting at launchapd?
[05:13] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: yes that might help
[05:13] <misfit_toy> jarle, don't have a link but I'm sure there is one somewhere.
[05:14] <k`ubuntu> shirish, http://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch02.html maybe
[05:14] <jarle> misfit_toy: I'll check the readme...
[05:14] <k`ubuntu> shirish, more of: http://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch03s04.html
[05:16] <shirish> k`ubuntu: warty was before dapper?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> shirish: yes
[05:16] <k`ubuntu> warty was 5.04 I believe
[05:16] <shirish> so the docs. perhaps need to be updated
[05:16] <Hobbsee> shirish: yes
[05:16] <Hobbsee> quite likely
[05:16] <k`ubuntu> yes sorry, google found this :) but I found Feisty's gnome interface running faster than ever
[05:17] <Toma-> warty was 4.10
[05:17] <Hobbsee> k`ubuntu: warty was 4.10, by my calculations, hoary was 5.04
[05:17] <Toma-> no wait..
[05:18] <k`ubuntu> You might be right, only remember my first Ubuntu was the warty warthog, maybe 4.10, cant remember it was so long ago :)
[05:18] <slackern> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[05:18] <Toma-> Hobbsee: thats when i converted :)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Toma-: :)
[05:19] <shirish> yup its 4.10 so the docs either have been updated or are in dire need of updation
[05:19] <Toma-> Hobbsee: what did you use prior to that?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Toma-: XP
[05:19] <Toma-> oh gosh! :D
[05:19] <Hobbsee> shirish: feel free to update them...
[05:19] <misfit_toy> ok, trying a reboot to 15.27 but I'll bet a dollar to a dime it still won't fire up X...biab.
[05:19] <Toma-> i was a redhat fan from rh9 all the way thru fedora up to fedora 3
[05:19] <Hobbsee> + a kubuntu hoary live cd
[05:19] <k`ubuntu> shirish, what conf you have? or why do you need _exacty_ system req? it might be more about req, not even sure its compatible with that hw (high chance of working)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> k`ubuntu: what are you asking about?
[05:20] <misfit_toy> shoot, can't reboot yet, copying an iso to a pc upstairs...hum de dum de dum...
[05:21] <k`ubuntu> Hobbsee, just interested why shirish needs exact numbers about the system req :)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> k`ubuntu: ahh
[05:21] <Hobbsee> ubuntu will run on most things, although xubuntu's better for low end systems
[05:22] <Hobbsee> (mind you, that doesnt include ubiquity requirements)
[05:22] <k`ubuntu> I think its a much more difficult question, it might depend on hundreds of things, especially on what that ubuntu gonna be used for
[05:24] <shiris1> sorry got disconnected, do not know whether its my isp issue or some new bug with ubuntu
[05:24] <Vessquire> Is there going to be a feisty RC?
[05:24] <Toma-> Vessquire: yep. its delayed tho
[05:25] <Vessquire> Any date?
[05:25] <k`ubuntu> shiris1, using gaim for irc aswell?
[05:25] <Toma-> Vessquire: when its ready
[05:25] <shiris1> yup
[05:25] <k`ubuntu> well I have very, very bad experiences with the Gaim in Feisty
[05:25] <shiris1> till yesteday it was working fine
[05:25] <Toma-> gaim is working fine here
[05:26] <Vessquire> ok... so if I want to get rid of my freebsd home server that just acts as a gateway/fileserver/etc. should I install edgy and wait or get the latest daily on feisty?
[05:26] <Hidan|Afk> gaim is working well here.
[05:26] <Toma-> tho i do hate it so.
[05:26] <k`ubuntu> it keepds DC'ing, crashing for me (using MSN and ICQ protocols)
[05:26] <shirish> I just use it for IRC
[05:26] <Toma-> Vessquire: cant wait a week? :(
[05:26] <Hidan|Afk> however, i really wish i could change the skins of Gaim.
[05:26] <BluesKaj> can anyone recommend an ISO converter ...AcetoneIso seems buggy on my setup ...installation utility doesn't see the required kommander files ...dunno why but it's messy to work with.
[05:26] <Vessquire> no, not really... if I'm gonna switch, its gonna be today... otherwise I'll keep freebsd probably
[05:26] <k`ubuntu> Vessquire, I suggest you to get the 6.06 LTS for this kind of server
[05:27] <shirish> ok can anybody point me to some documentation about making feature specifications?
[05:27] <Toma-> Vessquire: well feisty beta works for now. with all updates its kinda cool
[05:27] <Toma-> Vessquire: but for stablility, id stay stick with freebSD
[05:28] <Vessquire> hmmm... I like stability but I like to tinker too :)
[05:28] <BluesKaj> Toma-, heh nice advice on a Kubuntu support chat :(
[05:28] <k`ubuntu> Toma-, I have very good experiences with the LTS server both in stability and secure (BSD is better for sure but ubuntu is easier to config and maintain)
[05:29] <Toma-> BluesKaj: this isnt #kubuntu...?
[05:29] <Pimp1984> The RC of Feisty is supposed to be out this month. Does anybody think it'll be right at the end of the month or are there no clues at all?
[05:29] <k`ubuntu> Pimp1984, matter of days
[05:29] <BluesKaj> ok , split hairs then if want ..ubuntu+1
[05:29] <k`ubuntu> Pimp1984, final was about to come out april 19 (or that week)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Pimp1984: should be today/tomorrow/day after/ or something
[05:30] <Hidan|Afk> hmmm nick collision?
[05:30] <Toma-> Just saying, FreeBSD is a rock solid server. where as ubuntu is a little more geared towards moving ahead and ease of use
[05:30] <mc44> Hobbsee: put "RC will be out when its ready" in the topic :p
[05:30] <Toma-> yeh :D
[05:31] <Hobbsee> mc44: heh
[05:31] <k`ubuntu> yea Toma- got the point, altho its matter of what the server is being used for :)
[05:31] <mc44> Hobbsee: because everyone reads the topic. obviously
[05:31] <Hobbsee> mc44: of course, yes.
[05:32] <jarle> I remember reading something about turning off composite to get the nvidia driver working?
[05:33] <Pimp1984> Sounds promising. If it's that close to being released then I might as well wait for that instead of finding a fully working iso of the beta.
[05:35] <misfit_toy> jarle I can give you my xorg.conf for an older nvidia card if you like, and yes, if you turn off that "composite" true line I saw a lot of howtos saying to put IN, it fixes a lot of things.
[05:35] <k`ubuntu> Pimp1984, im waitinf for the final aswell, updating the beta messed up 1-2 minor things FOR ME (1-2 icons mainly)
[05:35] <yag> anyone use realvnc to connect to XP machines?
[05:36] <jarle> misfit_toy: You have nvidia-glx working now with the latest kernel?
[05:36] <jhutchins> yag: NT, XP.
[05:36] <k`ubuntu> used to work with that, yag
[05:36] <misfit_toy> jarle, not the 15, I haven't had any luck with that this week, but I am about to reboot to the 15.27 and try it.
[05:36] <jarle> misfit_toy: and it seems you were correct about nvidia-legacy now supporting my card, I did not get any message about card not supported anymore..
[05:36] <reyn> is kde4 usable ?
[05:37] <Pimp1984> If you were following my problem that I was talking about on here earlier, you'll understand why I got frustrated with the beta.
[05:37] <jarle> misfit_toy: Please let me now if you get it working (I didn't)
[05:37] <Hobbsee> reyn: not really
[05:38] <reyn> mkay
[05:38] <jarle> misfit_toy: I'm running a straight from the scratch config file so I think it should be OK, no fancy stuff there at the moment..
[05:38] <penguin42> so one last time before I reboot and sees what happens; has anyone done LUKS/cryptsetup stuff?
[05:38] <misfit_toy> jarle, in case you want to get effects working, here's my xorg, http://pastebin.ca/441184
[05:41] <jarle> misfit_toy: If I could just get the driver working I could always add more effects afterwards..
[05:41] <misfit_toy> jarle, that is from literally 2 weeks of trying every howto I could find, line by line, putting them in, taking them out, etc...
[05:41] <misfit_toy> jarle, install the 14-386 kernel, it works fine, then you can wait for the newer ones to catch up.
[05:42] <jarle> misfit_toy: thnx!
[05:42] <philip_> can I boot into the LiveCD, delete all directories except /home then reinstall, thereby saving /home?
[05:42] <misfit_toy> and jarle you did say you're going to use nvidia-glx now, not legacy right?
[05:43] <misfit_toy> as of a week ago I could get rid of legacy and go straight to glx
[05:43] <jarle> misfit_toy: yeah, seems like my card is supported in nvidia-glx now..
[05:43] <misfit_toy> ok, great
[05:43] <DarkSpirit2> I am using 7.04 and I need help on it. I guess more of a program problem.
[05:45] <misfit_toy> jarle, I'm going out for a little cigar, then maybe my iso copy will be done and I can reboot this box and see if 15.27 is working with glx...back in about 10 minutes.
[05:45] <Arianna> D-LINK Airplus DWL-G630 PCIMA card... fresh install of Xubuntu 7.04 Beta... Network manager, configure it, says configuring interface and crashes... Card flashes and seems to be totally recognised during the configuration, and then when it crashes it switches off.
[05:46] <jarle> misfit_toy: Good luck, You'll need it :)
[05:46] <Arianna> Any advice
[05:46] <Arianna> I saw another case (with 6.06) on the forum with the same card, same problem
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Arianna: got linux-restricted-modules-generic installed?
[05:47] <`sam`> i don't think lrm is updated yet
[05:47] <Arianna> Hobbsee: nothing add-on installed as I have no connection?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Arianna: it's on the cd
[05:48] <Arianna> Hobbsee: ok what must I do?
[05:48] <Arianna> Hobbsee: newb user.
[05:48] <Arianna> :] 
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Arianna: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[05:49] <Arianna> apt-get will require the net unless the package is already active?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> it wont, it'll only look on the cd
[05:50] <`sam`> for geforce 7300le do i need to install linux-restricted-modules-generic and nvidia-glx ?
[05:51] <Arianna> Hobbsee: says the newest version is already installed.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> Arianna: right.  want to pastebin lspci (from your terminal?)
[05:52] <`sam`> wasn't there a problem with network-manager that was fixed in one of the most recent updates?
[05:52] <Arianna> i hope you understand that I can't pastebin it without a net connection, lol
[05:52] <Hobbsee> `sam`: yes
[05:52] <`sam`> maybe she downloaded it with the bad version
[05:52] <Hobbsee> Arianna: ah.  point.  :P
[05:52] <usher_> I'm having some strange problem, it's happened yesterday and the day before and it will probably happen again in a bit - my monitor will go into off-mode.. while I'm using the PC? is that a Feisty bug ?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> Arianna: can you paraphrase what "lspci | grep Network
[05:53] <Hobbsee> says?
[05:53] <Arianna> `sam`: i thank you for the hypothetical, but as I was saying others have had the problem with this card on previous versions of xubuntu and ubuntu alike.
[05:53] <misfit_toy> jarle, what version of restricted-modules do you have? I don't even know how to find that out...
[05:54] <`sam`> does anybody know about the geforce 7300le? i was using the .bin installer from nvidia but wanted to try the linux-restricted-modules and was wondering if i also need to install nvidia-glx
[05:55] <BluesKaj> misfit_toy, it'll be listed in synaptic
[05:56] <Arianna> Hobbsee as you know, lspci | grep Network returns nothing ;)
[05:56] <Arianna> other than
[05:56] <Hobbsee> Arianna: darn.  try lspci | grep Atheros
[05:56] <Arianna> Network Controller: RaLink RT2561/RT51 rev B 802.11g
[05:56] <misfit_toy> aha, and I'll bet that's why the 15 kernel doesn't fire up nvidia, I only have the 14-386 restricted loaded.
[05:56] <misfit_toy> sheesh.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> woo.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> !ralink
[05:56] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:57] <mc44> misfit_toy: yeah you might want to change that :)
[05:57] <`sam`> misfit_toy, do you also have nvidia-glx installed?
[05:57] <misfit_toy> yes
[05:57] <Arianna> Hobbsee: I understand this, but you're not understanding me ;)
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Arianna: yeah, looking now.  i'd hoped it was an atheros card...
[05:57] <`sam`> misfit_toy, also it might not work right now anyway because lrm is version 2.6.20-15.20 and kernel is 2.6.20-15.27, don't these have to match?
[05:58] <mc44> only the 15 has to match
[05:58] <misfit_toy> right
[05:58] <`sam`> mc44, ok thanks
[05:59] <Arianna> Hobbsee: the card is being read, native drivers exist, the network device update of interface (when it tries to load the driver, or enable the device, i suppose) crashes the comp
[05:59] <Hobbsee> Arianna: argh.  that.
[05:59] <misfit_toy> mc44, if I have nvidia checked in lrm right now, after I get the newer lrm will I need to recheck that or will it keep that setting?
[06:00] <Vodalu1> Anyone know if installing logitech mice in Feisty is the same in 7.04 as 6.10?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> Arianna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/97499 <-- that it?
[06:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 97499 in network-manager "[Feisty]  System crash when NetworkManager tries to activate Wifi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:00] <mc44> misfit_toy: nope, should just work
[06:00] <Arianna> Hobbsee: `sam`: i thank you for the hypothetical, but as I was saying others have had the problem with this card on previous versions of xubuntu and ubuntu alike.
[06:00] <Arianna> so surely it isnt the network man bug?
[06:00] <`sam`> so by installing the lrm it is my understanding that i won't have to manually reinstall nvidia driver each time?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> Arianna: could be.  i'm not sure.
[06:01] <misfit_toy> `sam`, that should be correct
[06:01] <cables> rc is out?
[06:01] <cables> sweet!
[06:01] <Arianna> Hobbsee: so what's the solution? this page
[06:01] <mc44> cables: no, its not
[06:01] <cables> oh
[06:01] <Hobbsee> Arianna: no idea, sorry
[06:01] <Arianna> Hobbsee: so what's the solution? this page wants me to do what to solve it
[06:01] <`sam`> ok... i think i might still have to manually update lirc though
[06:01] <cables> ah, so that's just saying that when it's out, we should test it
[06:02] <mc44> its for testing the release candidate candidates
[06:02] <Vodalu1> anyone know if installing logitech mice is the same in 7.04 as 6.1?
[06:02] <Arianna> oh christ.
[06:02] <Arianna> so can anyone actually offer me a solution lol
[06:03] <Arianna> thanks for the help tho Hobs.
[06:03] <Lunar_Lamp> Where can I find what software is available for feisty? (e.g. thunderbird version)
[06:03] <lazka> Lunar_Lamp: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/
[06:04] <Lunar_Lamp> lazka, thanks.
[06:04] <Vodalu1> Lunar: Have you tried synaptic?  It's also available there
[06:04] <atselby_> What broke this time?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Lunar_Lamp: same thunderbird as in edgy
[06:04] <Lunar_Lamp> Vodalu1, only if you have feisty installed ;-)
[06:04] <DarkSpirit2> How can I get a program to be the default for an extension ?
[06:04] <Vodalu1> true
[06:04] <Lunar_Lamp> Hobbsee, no upgrade to 2.0 then? Pity, but I guess it's still beta.
[06:04] <mc44> DarkSpirit2: right click, properties
[06:04] <jrib> !defaultapp > DarkSpirit2    (DarkSpirit2, see the private message from ubotu)
[06:04] <`sam`> Arianna, you might want to wait for the next daily build or for the RC, that will definately have the network-manager bugfix, and then see if that fixes your problem... sorry i know it's not the answer you want
[06:04] <atselby_> Session manager/properties is broken in Feisty.
[06:04] <atselby_> Can anyone offer help?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Lunar_Lamp: RC in hte next few days, or something.  maybe
[06:05] <jrib> atselby_: broken how?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> `sam`: NM bugfix is already in...
[06:05] <atselby_> jrib: it won't load.
[06:05] <Lunar_Lamp> Hobbsee, anywhere I could check to be sure?
[06:05] <Vodalu1> I'm about to start going through the effort of installing my logitech mouse. wondering if the install is the same on 6.1 as it is in 7.04.. anyone know?
[06:05] <atselby_> jrib: when i run it in terminal i get an error. leme pastbin it.
[06:05] <atselby_> !paste
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[06:05] <DarkSpirit2> Wow that was easy
[06:05] <Hobbsee> Arianna: guess you could sudo killall NetworkManager, apt-get remove --purge network-manager and use dhclient to manage the interface...
[06:05] <mc44> DarkSpirit2: welcome to gnome :)
[06:05] <Hobbsee> like you would need to in previous releases
[06:05] <`sam`> Hobbsee, oh ok sorry i probably missed part of the convo because i was installing stuff
[06:05] <DarkSpirit2> Another question
[06:05] <Arianna> dhclient can be installed without net?
[06:06] <BluesKaj> Vodalu1, it should ...depends how fancy it is tho
[06:06] <Hobbsee> Arianna: dhclient's installed by default
[06:06] <Hobbsee> Lunar_Lamp: mozillazine.org
[06:06] <atselby_> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15809/
[06:06] <DarkSpirit2> I need a Usenet Binary Program. So I can download emm Distro off Usenet. I need 1 that can also connect to 2 Different Network use 1 as Master (If file is not there) and then use another one
[06:06] <TheVault> Whats with all these kernel updates. Every update I have been getting, one has to be the kernel
[06:06] <DarkSpirit2> Also anyone know the name of that Music Player which looks like WinAmp ?
[06:07] <mc44> TheVault: there were some kernel bugs
[06:07] <Lunar_Lamp> DarkSpirit2, xmms
[06:07] <[BTF] Chm0d> DarkSpirit2, xmms
[06:07] <[BTF] Chm0d> hehe
[06:07] <[BTF] Chm0d> ;P
[06:07] <TheVault> mc44: Oh, I see
[06:07] <mc44> TheVault: should be fixed now
[06:07] <Arianna> Hobbsee: sudo killall NetworkManager you get no process killed
[06:07] <[BTF] Chm0d> although I have yet to get kofol to work on xmms in ubuntu
[06:07] <Arianna> --purge network-manager, E: couldnt find package network-manager
[06:07] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: and beep-media-player is not bad too
[06:07] <jrib> atselby_: this happens every time you login?
[06:07] <DreamThief> or audacious
[06:07] <Hobbsee> Arianna: right, so try a sudo ifup ra0 && sudo dhclient ra0
[06:07] <TheVault> mc44: Yeah, i'm now downloading kernel updates right now. Downloading 6 updates
[06:08] <Hobbsee> and you should be connected
[06:08] <Hobbsee> may have to play with essid's, etc
[06:08] <TheVault> mc44: Will there be anymore kernel updates?
[06:08] <atselby_> jrib: yes. i have been needing to access the session manager to resolve another problem with startup.
[06:08] <Xanthus35> I just installed ubuntu 7.04 and at the end it said grub installed but when I reboot it goes into xp and grub does not come up
[06:08] <DreamThief> audacious is the most advanced winam clone
[06:08] <mc44> TheVault: there shouldnt be, but there is always a chance
[06:08] <mc44> Hobbsee: sweet dreams of sheep
[06:08] <TheVault> mc44: Thanks for the info
[06:08] <DreamThief> xmms is not updated anymore and so is bmp ...
[06:08] <[BTF] Chm0d> i like to be able to change skins in media players
[06:08] <jrib> atselby: what is the other problem?
[06:08] <Hobbsee> mc44: mmm..sheep...
[06:09] <DreamThief> [BTF] Chm0d, that's posssible with every winamp clone
[06:09] <[BTF] Chm0d> not just the skin but like kofol in xmms
[06:09] <Arianna> Hobbsee: how do I add the WEP and ESSID through this command
[06:09] <atselby> jrib: the error output is usually different but it is related to various things not loading correctly at startup. All of it I believe goes back to GnomeUI-WARNING.
[06:09] <[BTF] Chm0d> is that possible?
[06:09] <TheVault> mc44: So how exactly make the changes from Edgy to Feisty? Do they re-write everything or something?
[06:09] <DreamThief> audacious is able to load winamp 2.x and xmms skins
[06:09] <atselby> jrib: most recent output is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15810/
[06:09] <jrib> atselby: warning usually don't matter
[06:09] <DarkSpirit2> How can I stop MP3 from playing when I go over them with my mouse ?
[06:09] <Arianna> oh; and the computer just crashed on this command, so clearly its not the program NETWORK MANAGER (just as I was suggesting, lol)
[06:09] <mc44> TheVault: no
[06:10] <atselby> jrib: Well then I don't know what the exact problem is.
[06:10] <TheVault> mc44: How does it all work?
[06:10] <Xanthus35> I just installed ubuntu 7.04 and at the end it said grub installed but when I reboot it goes into xp and grub does not come up
[06:10] <mc44> TheVault: how does what all work?
[06:10] <jrib> atselby: I guess you are trying to disable compiz correct?
[06:10] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: thats like a preview of the file done by nautilus
[06:10] <atselby> jrib: the thing i need to fix first, i think, is to get to edit the sessions to remove pretty much everything from startup to see if it helps.
[06:10] <morbidone> Xanthus35: did you install grub to the master boot record?
[06:10] <jrib> atselby: ~/.config/autostart/
[06:10] <atselby> jrib: yes compiz or beryl whichver one is set in startup since that's probably related.
[06:10] <atselby> jrib: ah. thats where its stored?
[06:10] <DarkSpirit2> <PresuntoRJ: Can I disable it ?
[06:10] <jrib> yep
[06:10] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: you must then set the nautilus propreties not to preview mp3 (or ogg) files anymore
[06:10] <TheVault> mc44: Like, most people still either have Dapper or Edgy on their computer. Now that Feisty fawn is in development and almost complete, how do they change the codeing and things?
[06:10] <Xanthus35> it said it installed master boot record hd0
[06:11] <[BTF] Chm0d> is there a media player that can change shapes like winamp?
[06:11] <RawSewage> will Feisty Final be released this week
[06:11] <mc44> RawSewage: possibly
[06:11] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: my ubuntu is in portuguese right now, let me see if I can remember the program in english
[06:11] <morbidone> RawSewage: between the 19th and 28th of april i believe
[06:11] <atselby> jrib: however i dont see anything in here except for beagle and things I set myself.
[06:11] <mc44> TheVault: its rather complicated. I cant give you an easy answer
[06:11] <atselby> jrib: that are not related to compiz or beryl.
[06:11] <RawSewage> RC hasnt come out though
[06:11] <lazka> [BTF] Chm0d: XMMS
[06:11] <mc44> RawSewage: nope
[06:11] <RawSewage> does there have to be an RC
[06:11] <[BTF] Chm0d> i can't get kofol to work in xmms
[06:11] <[BTF] Chm0d> it crashes
[06:11] <mc44> RawSewage: probably
[06:12] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: try this: gksudo gconf-editor
[06:12] <lazka> [BTF] Chm0d: i think mplayer has skinns too
[06:12] <[BTF] Chm0d> never been able to get it working in ubuntu at all both gnome or kde
[06:12] <lazka> [BTF] Chm0d: but i've never tried it
[06:12] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: it will open a bunch of settings, much similar to regedit.exe under Windows
[06:12] <RawSewage> Audacious has skins
[06:13] <[BTF] Chm0d> yea it has skins but I want to be able to change it completely like you can winamp or wmp
[06:13] <misfit_toy> ok, here goes the reboot to 15 with the proper lrm, back in a few I hope with a new kernel.
[06:13] <DarkSpirit2> I am good with Windows.
[06:13] <DarkSpirit2> Just tell me where it is.
[06:13] <jrib> atselby: hmm well I'm not sure how compiz sets itself up but for beryl, beryl-manager needs to be added to the startup
[06:13] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: be careful, cause you can set up something worng and mess up your system
[06:13] <DarkSpirit2> I sort of knew that. lol
[06:13] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: but it is actually very straight forward
[06:13] <Xanthus35> jrib it said it installed to master boot record
[06:13] <atselby> jrib: it does? alright.. so its not odd that compiz doesnt show up at all in /autostart?
[06:14] <DarkSpirit2> lol Sound-Juicer
[06:14] <jrib> atselby: I haven't really used compiz
[06:14] <jrib> atselby: try dpkg -L compiz   and look for anything interesting
[06:14] <atselby> jrib: ah. okay. i lll give it a shot.
So where is it ?
[06:14] <DarkSpirit2> or you still writing
[06:14] <TheVault> mc44: Alrighty, don't worry about it then if its complicated
[06:14] <atselby> jrib: just stuff under usr/share/doc/compiz
[06:15] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: in the list?
[06:15] <TheVault> lates
[06:15] <TheVault> *laters
[06:15] <mc44> TheVault: if you look on the development section of the ubuntu wiki, it should answer your questions
[06:15] <jrib> atselby: check ~/.gnome2/session too then
[06:15] <atselby> jrib: no such folder.
[06:16] <atselby> jrib: wait... missed it.
[06:16] <atselby> sorry
[06:16] <DarkSpirit2> you never told me where within natulias it is
[06:16] <atselby> jrib: session is not showing.
[06:16] <DarkSpirit2> I am a newbie when it comes to Linux
[06:17] <jrib> atselby: how are you trying to view it?
[06:17] <atselby> jrib: via nautilus.
[06:17] <atselby> jrib: nothing via terminal line either...
[06:18] <jrib> atselby: nano ~/.gnome2/session
[06:18] <DreamThief> [BTF] Chm0d, xmms-kjofol is in the repositories
[06:18] <DreamThief> I think, it should work
[06:18] <[BTF] Chm0d> yes i know
[06:18] <[BTF] Chm0d> but it doesn't work
[06:18] <atselby> jrib: just tried. nothing.
[06:18] <[BTF] Chm0d> i haven't yet have it work in ubuntu at all
[06:18] <jrib> atselby: no error?
[06:18] <[BTF] Chm0d> it just closes when you run it
[06:18] <DreamThief> but I wouldn't use xmss, it's just to old
[06:18] <jrib> or just empty?
[06:18] <atselby> jrib: just its blank.
[06:18] <[BTF] Chm0d> i use amarok
[06:18] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: in the desktop session
[06:18] <jrib> atselby: k, then that's not it then
[06:19] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: browse down looking for gnome
[06:19] <jrib> atselby: delete it
[06:19] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: browse further for thumbnailers
[06:19] <atselby> jrib: delete what?
[06:19] <jrib> atselby: the empty file
[06:19] <DarkSpirit2> yeah
[06:19] <atselby> jrib: k. done
[06:20] <jrib> atselby: see if you get new errors now
[06:20] <atselby> jrib: i dont think there was one to begin with..
[06:20] <atselby> jrib: on login?
[06:20] <jrib> yes
[06:20] <atselby> brb then
[06:20] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: there you have several preview engines (thumbnails is the nick name for picture preview)
[06:20] <atselby> jrib: and if it matters, i'm runing in failsafe gnome.
[06:20] <misfit_toy> well, 15 works now, but wifi is wacked out, LOL
[06:20] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: a few of those are for audio (ogg-vorbis, mp3, wav, au, ...)
[06:21] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: try clicking on the "enable" box for at least one unselecting it and check if the preview is disabled...
[06:21] <|thunder> today is the start if the week of april 19. assuming weeks start on sunday, not thursdays.
[06:21] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: if should work
[06:22] <misfit_toy> always somethin'...it wants to force my WEP key to hex, I change it to ascii, it is changed back to hex when I go look.
[06:22] <atselby> ..
[06:22] <atselby> jrib: smaller error message thistime.
[06:22] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: sorry... press Alt-F2
[06:22] <atselby> !pastebin
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[06:22] <atselby> !paste
[06:22] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: then type the command gksudo gcof-editor
[06:22] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: then type the command gksudo gconf-editor
[06:23] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: did you find it?
[06:23] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: still there?
[06:24] <atselby> jrib:?
[06:24] <DarkSpirit2> Yeah
[06:24] <DarkSpirit2> I am in Config Editor
[06:24] <DarkSpirit2> Under Root its Desktop
[06:24] <DarkSpirit2> gnome
[06:24] <DarkSpirit2> thumbnailers
[06:24] <DarkSpirit2> Am i correct ?
[06:24] <jrib> !enter | DarkSpirit2
[06:24] <ubotu> DarkSpirit2: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:24] <jrib> atselby: yes?
[06:25] <DarkSpirit2> Will do bot
[06:25] <atselby> jrib: smaller error output but still errors none the less with the GNOMEUI-Warning.
[06:25] <atselby> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15815/
[06:26] <guerby> hi, is there any repo with olsrd for feisty?
[06:28] <misfit_toy> test
[06:28] <jrib> atselby: does it happen with a new user?
[06:28] <misfit_toy> ok, wifi working, sheesh.
[06:28] <atselby> jrib: i have not tried... but if i were to make a new user for myself would there be a way for me to move my files easily to the new user? i can always reset settings etc.
[06:28] <jarle> misfit_toy: got nvidia-glx working?
[06:29] <misfit_toy> jarle, yup in 15.27
[06:29] <jrib> atselby: yeah, you could just move them but lets see if it matters first
[06:29] <misfit_toy> jarle, didn't realize I didn't have lrm for 15-generic installed.
[06:29] <misfit_toy> jarle, sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[06:29] <philip_> can I boot into the LiveCD, delete all directories except /home then reinstall, thereby saving /home?
[06:30] <jarle> misfit_toy: lrm ?
[06:30] <misfit_toy> jarle, linux-restricted-modules
[06:30] <misfit_toy> nvidia has to have that
[06:30] <misfit_toy> for each kernel it uses
[06:30] <atselby> jrib: okay.
[06:30] <defendguin> where can i submit feature requests for feisty+1
[06:30] <misfit_toy> so I had it for 14-386, that's why it was working
[06:30] <Arianna> Xubuntu 7.04 Beta with D-Link Airplus G DWL-G630 (H/W Ver: E1) PCIMA Wireless Card.
[06:30] <Arianna> After a fresh install, the card is recognised in NetworkManager. After configuring the card and enabling it, the card starts flashing, meanwhile NetworkManager is doing something with the network interface and crashes, the cards lights go off.
[06:30] <Arianna> I asked for some support, most people said it was a NetworkManager problem, but the same occurs when I use dhclient instead. Additionally, the same problem has occured for somebody running Ubuntu 6.06 with the same hardware version.
[06:30] <Arianna> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197005
[06:30] <Arianna> This card has been known to have varied success with different versions, with A1 not working properly and C1 running out of the box.
[06:31] <atselby> jrib: brb than. i've got another user setup already in such event that my profile dies so leme test in there.
[06:33] <atselby> jrib: works perfect in other profile.
[06:34] <DarkSpirit2> Thank god for Automatix
[06:34] <atselby> jrib: not a single problem and beryl is set to startup too.
[06:34] <jrib> atselby: try moving all of ~/.gnome2 and ~/.gconfd/ then
[06:34] <LjL> !automatix
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[06:34] <atselby> jrib: from the working to the broken?
[06:34] <jrib> atselby: argh, I mean ~/.gconf*
[06:35] <atselby> jrib: so move working .gconf* to non working right/
[06:35] <jrib> atselby: nah, just rename it on the broken, the defaults should get recreated
[06:35] <atselby> jrib: so do what? sorry, i'm lostl
[06:35] <jrib> atselby: mv ~/.gnome2 ~/.gnome2.broken   and teh same for ~/.gconfd/ and ~/.gconf
[06:35] <atselby> k
[06:36] <ScarFreewill> is it possable to use a rsync-mirror as my apt mirror?
[06:36] <atselby> jrib: done.
[06:36] <atselby> jrib: logout/in.
[06:37] <atselby> jrib: still got an error...
[06:38] <jrib> atselby: how about stuff in /tmp, think that may be messed up?
[06:38] <atselby> jrib: home/tmp?
[06:38] <jrib> no, /tmp
[06:39] <atselby> jrib: what would i do in there? delete it all or what?
[06:42] <gradin> anybody know why i'm getting pgp key errors when tryin gto apt-get update?
[06:43] <poningru> gradin: happens from time to time
[06:43] <poningru> just wait till the error goes away before you update
[06:43] <poningru> so just wait till tomorrow
[06:43] <gradin> joy
[06:43] <ratshell> Hi all
[06:43] <mc44> gradin: you have non-ubuntu repositories enabled?
[06:43] <ratshell> Question what real difference between edgy and feisty?
[06:43] <gradin> april 19th as a release date wow, its so not ready... :P
[06:43] <gradin> mc44 yeah
[06:44] <mc44> ratshell: its newer
[06:44] <ratshell> besides that specifics please??
[06:44] <mc44> gradin: it is probably to do with them
[06:44] <gradin> has anyone else experianced acpi bugs?
[06:45] <poningru> ratshell: www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd1
[06:45] <atselby> jrib: what would i look for in/tmp?
[06:45] <poningru> ratshell: take a look at herd 1 through herd 5
[06:45] <olimpico> How can I install the madwifi, do I need a special kernel?
[06:45] <poningru> olimpico: it should have installed by default
[06:45] <BluesKaj> gradin, I'm running feisty without any probs sofar , except the shutdown procedure is buggy .
[06:45] <poningru> what chipset do you have?
[06:46] <jrib> atselby: stuff owned by your broken user
[06:46] <jrib> atselby: I'm just throwing this out there, I have no idea if will help you at all
[06:46] <olimpico> My Atheros card is seen by  lspci: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01
[06:46] <olimpico> But is not recognized
[06:46] <gradin> i've got this issue whenever i boot the kernel without acpi=off & noacpi and the box goes to stand by mode the hardrive shuts off and the box crashes
[06:47] <Lukian> what package would a find the 32bit esound library in?
[06:47] <atselby> jrib: tehres a gconf-d-adam, orbit-adam, virtual-adam.ky7SMc, .exchange-adam, .ICE-unix, .X11-UNIX, and some fiels owend by this profile.
[06:47] <poningru> gradin: boot it with acpi then?
[06:47] <olimpico> I got it working with Edgy by installing some kernel with apt-get install ??????
[06:47] <poningru> oh hmm
[06:47] <olimpico> But now I installed Feisty and I dont remember
[06:47] <poningru> olimpico: go to restricted driver manager under system->admin
[06:47] <poningru> if its there it should have it
[06:48] <Kazz> Has anyone been having trouble with nvidia cards in the last couple of days?  This one's fine, but the computer next to me with a 6800GT won't load the drivers anymore...is it a problem with the latest drivers?
[06:48] <gradin> poningru thats what happens when i boot it with acpi
[06:48] <PresuntoRJ> DarkSpirit2: any luke?
[06:48] <jrib> atselby: have you rebooted since this happened?
[06:49] <atselby> jrib: yes.
[06:49] <poningru> gradin: oh!
[06:49] <atselby> jrib: i was forced to just shut downl ast night when hibernate and standby would not work
[06:49] <olimpico> I found it: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-386
[06:49] <poningru> gradin: does it throw some error like high temperature or something like that?
[06:49] <gradin> Kazz there was a driver confict, sudo apt-get install nvidia-new or something like that
[06:49] <gradin> poningru nope
[06:49] <gradin> just says hd failed to respond
[06:49] <enyc> Hrrm... hows this libata driver hassle?
[06:49] <gradin> let me grep my log files
[06:50] <olimpico> poningru: Thankx any way
[06:50] <enyc> the latest ubuntu kernel  disables libata for another controller I understand...
[06:50] <enyc> does this mean I can get RC disk to test now?
[06:50] <jrib> atselby: then /tmp probably isn't related.  Try moving all of the .* files in your ~ to see if one of them is the culprit
[06:50] <poningru> yep
[06:50] <atselby> jrib: move what? all the hidden items in my home directory?
[06:51] <mc44> enyc: rc isnt out yet, but you can test the latest isos at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[06:51] <jrib> atselby: yeah
[06:51] <shirish> guys can somebody look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/ and tell me whether they see an apport related spec?
[06:51] <atselby> jrib: okay. ill give it a try.
[06:51] <Kazz> gradin: nvidia-glx-new is the right one?
[06:51] <enyc> mc44: I see...
[06:51] <gradin> Kazz i belive thats correct
[06:51] <jrib> atselby: it has to be some kind of config issue since the other user works, but I have no idea where it would be
[06:51] <atselby> jrib: after that i have to leave so...
[06:51] <shirish> guys I need help
[06:52] <robertj> hrmm, network manager requiers a gksudo nm-applet to get going after every boot, whats wron?
[06:52] <atselby> jrib: would it be possible for me to, if this does not work, simply move my files to another profile's home directory and just basically reconfig thigns from there?
[06:52] <Kazz> gradin: Alright, thanks, I'm trying it. :)
[06:52] <flo> what is the name of the gnome screen capture program? the one that maks a video file not just a screenshot
[06:53] <jrib> atselby: yeah, just move all the stuff that doesn't start with a . to the other one.  Then you could slowly start moving settings over to see what caused the problem
[06:53] <poningru> shirish: whatsup?
[06:53] <poningru> !screencaps
[06:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screencaps - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:53] <shirish> poningru: i was just going to ask u , can u look up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/ and tell me what u see there?
[06:54] <poningru> sure
[06:54] <ghostdog> this nvidia legacy card, pain in the butt, cannot enable direct rendering
[06:54] <atselby> jrib: moved all .* to a seperate backup folder in the home dir. reboot now or what?
[06:54] <ghostdog> glxinfo http://pastebin.ca/441306
[06:54] <jrib> atselby: yeah reboot or just try to log out and back in
[06:54] <poningru> shirish: yes https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apport
[06:54] <ghostdog> Xorg log http://pastebin.ca/441306
[06:55] <atselby> jrib: okay. after that i have to go so... thanks for the help. if this fails ill just do as you suggested and move settings over one at a time.
[06:55] <ghostdog> lspci 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300] : nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]  [10de:002d]  (rev 15)
[06:55] <atselby> Thanks.
[06:55] <shirish> poningru: so you are getting the whole thing with the use case & all ?
[06:55] <ghostdog> it is reported as working
[06:55] <poningru> shirish: yep
[06:55] <shirish> ok cool thanx
[06:55] <Arwen> quick question, how do I do a video recording of my screen?
[06:56] <ghostdog> anyone has a similar card that could provide me with their xorg.conf ?
[06:56] <Arwen> preferably in uncompressed video?
[06:56] <gradin> ghostdog what driver package you using?
[06:56] <adam__> jrib: it worked. not an error just no settings. i can deal with this from here. thanks so much.
[06:56] <ghostdog> gradin, the legacy drivers for the repository
[06:56] <atselby> thanks agian jrib
[06:56] <ghostdog> + nvidia-glx-legacy
[06:56] <jrib> atselby: np, glad it worked
[06:57] <Ramunas> hello
[06:58] <ghostdog> I am missing one setting, but do not know what, there are no errors relating to direct rendering on the logs
[06:58] <Ramunas> there's an issue with -14 kernel freezing?
[06:58] <gradin> ghostdog there should be a nvidia-glx command that allows you to autoconfig the xorg.conf
[06:58] <ghostdog> I have tried that, but no luck, wanna take a look at my xorg.conf?
[06:58] <Ramunas> for some reason my -15 kernel doesn't like nvidia-glx drivers, X doesn't load
[06:58] <Ramunas> :/
[06:58] <gradin> ghostdog yeah
[06:59] <gradin> Ramunas what does the error message say when you attempt to?
[06:59] <ghostdog> gradin, http://pastebin.ca/441327
[07:01] <Ramunas> gradin: I can't remember the exact message, but it fails to load it, and then it says no screens found
[07:01] <gradin> ghostdog xorg.conf looks good, whats the output when you start X
[07:01] <Kazz> Ramunas: I'm having that problem on one of our computers with a 6800GT.
[07:01] <Ramunas> 6600 here
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. using a 6800 here.
[07:01] <gradin> Ramunas pastebin your xorg.conf
[07:02] <bicz> 6680
[07:02] <ghostdog> gradin, it starts normally, I can run X in 2D mode
[07:02] <Kazz> Ramunas: I just installed the nvidia-glx-new package, but that doesn't seem to have fixed it.
[07:02] <Ramunas> gradin: just a sec
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> the default nvidia-glx setup. dident set up the videores pci 1:0:0 thing right.
[07:02] <Kazz> Dr_Willis: Everything up to date?
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> so  i tweaked it.
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> Kazz,  as of 10 min ago.. yes. :)
[07:02] <ghostdog> no errors
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> had some issues with the xorg.conf file. but that was it.
[07:02] <ghostdog> Xorg log http://pastebin.ca/441306
[07:02] <gradin> ghostdog so where are you getting problems at?
[07:03] <Ramunas> gradin: http://ramunas.paste.lt/paste/a36e76c0ff5c037eb76b388e6ad77841
[07:03] <ghostdog> direct render=no
[07:03] <ghostdog> glxinfo http://pastebin.ca/441306
[07:03] <ghostdog> it worked great on edgy
[07:03] <Kazz> Dr_Willis: I don't think that the config file changed, I just upgraded the drivers, but the only thing that was wrong in yours was the PCI location?
[07:04] <Kazz> ghostdog: This one's been working good on Feisty too, it just stopped working when it was rebooted yesterday...
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> Kazz,  yea. i found that odd. the initial xorg.conf file had it right. then i installed the nvidia-glx and ran that command to update the xorg.conf and it got confused.
[07:04] <Ramunas> gradin: so, is there anything wrong with it?
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> i  then fixed the pci: 0:0:1 line, and the res was wrong.. so i ENDED Up using the original xorg.conf file and just changed nv to nvidia
[07:05] <gradin> ghostdog join #ubuntu-effects
[07:05] <ghostdog> ok
[07:06] <gradin> Ramunas nothing i can see
[07:06] <z3fir> hi
[07:06] <z3fir> boys I have a problem with the 7.04 I can ask to you?
[07:06] <Ramunas> gradin: it works just fine with -14 kernel
[07:06] <Ramunas> and not with -15 :/
[07:06] <Kazz> gradin: I dunno' about ghostdog, but in the extra info you can get when X fails to start it says "Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!"
[07:07] <gradin> Kazz is that all it says?
[07:07] <gradin> Kazz does it say why?
[07:07] <Xanthus35> I am totally flustrated I just reinstalled ubuntu said it saw both itself and xp told it yes and still not grub boot went directly into xp
[07:07] <gradin> :P
[07:07] <ghostdog> Kazz, reinstall linux restricted modules??
[07:07] <ghostdog> that worked for me
[07:07] <mc44> Ramunas: do you have the 15 version of linux-restricted-modules?
[07:08] <Kazz> gradin: No, but that seems to be the important part...it goes from "Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is enabled" to "Failed to load..." to "*** Aborting ***", then it unloads nvidia, ramdac and fb modules and says "Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration."
[07:08] <mp_> i have edgy would like to upgrade to feisty, is this possible thru apt i dont wanna hurt my other partitions
[07:08] <Ramunas> mc44: it seems I didn't!
[07:08] <z3fir> my laptop has a video card geforce go 7600 and a card audio intel with codec by conexant, before with the 6.10 the audio didn't now work with the 7.04 the audio it works but only if I start with the option acpi=off. only that there is a problem: to the start it suits me to crash the server x. how can I resolve?
[07:08] <Kazz> gradin: Finally "Fatal server error: no screens found"
[07:09] <mc44> Ramunas: that might help :)
[07:09] <Xanthus35> I am totally flustrated I just reinstalled ubuntu said it saw both itself and xp told it yes and still not grub boot went directly into xp
[07:09] <Ramunas> mc44: yeah, lol :)
[07:09] <gradin> Kazz oh i was just dealing with that issue last week
[07:09] <Xanthus35> can someone please helpme
[07:09] <gradin> *tries to remember
[07:09] <finn_> hello
[07:10] <finn_> I tried to upgrade from edgy to feisty with apt-get dist-upgrade after editing every "edgy" to "feisty" in the sources.list
[07:10] <finn_> now the system won't boot anymore
[07:10] <z3fir> does nobody know how to help me?
[07:10] <finn_> all I have is this knoppix 3.3 CD to run a system from
[07:10] <finn_> is there any way to restore the edgy system, or make feisty work?
[07:11] <mc44> finn_: what error do you get on booting?
[07:11] <mc44> finn_: also you shouldnt use dist-upgrade to upgrrade, you should use the update-manager
[07:11] <finn_> don't know the exact words, but it's two lines with something like: please wait...   loading...
[07:11] <gradin> ok now that is odd... apparently i'm running compiz on the nv driver...
[07:11] <z3fir> mc44: do you have idea on as to resolve my problem?
[07:12] <finn_> mc44, I was following a guide I found a couple of weeks ago
[07:12] <Kazz> finn_: I used the easier way to upgrade from the graphical update software...unfortunately I don't know if it did anything different from what you did or not.
[07:12] <mc44> finn_: well the guide was incorrect
[07:12] <poningru> z3fir: whats wrong?
[07:12] <mc44> finn_: however, I think your best bet is to reinstall from a cd
[07:12] <Kazz> gradin: You've been using a different driver for the last week and you didn't notice?  I guess hopefully that means that the nv driver is getting better at least... :)
[07:13] <z3fir> O_o-----
[07:13] <sohum> that's odd
[07:13] <finn_> reinstall meaning "losing all my data" ?
[07:13] <sohum> i just got a proxy error 502, error reading from remote server
[07:13] <ScarFreewill> oms???>
[07:13] <poningru> finn_: not if you back it up
[07:13] <ScarFreewill> rsync rsync://mir1.ovh.net/ubuntu/
[07:13] <ScarFreewill> @ERROR: chroot failed
[07:13] <ScarFreewill> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) [receiver=2.6.9] 
[07:13] <sohum> and i'm definitely not using a proxy
[07:13] <z3fir> but do you read what I write?
[07:13] <gradin> AIGLX seems to be running beryl...
[07:13] <assasukasse> anyone knows if squid has delay pool enabled?
[07:14] <assasukasse> the package in feisty i mean?
[07:14] <assasukasse> what about squid 3
[07:14] <gradin> Kazz try changing the driver "nvidia" to driver "nv" then run X and see what happens
[07:14] <Kazz> finn_: You should be able to keep your home dir and stuff if you reinstall...
[07:14] <z3fir> tra la la la la
[07:15] <z3fir> you treat only badly me because I am Italian... :PPPP
[07:15] <mc44> !patience | z3fir
[07:15] <gradin> z3fir sounds fair :PPPP
[07:15] <ubotu> z3fir: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:16] <z3fir> ubotu you give I was joking...
[07:16] <z3fir> :D
[07:16] <z3fir> sadasdas
[07:16] <z3fir> :D
[07:16] <Kazz> gradin: It starts with the nv driver.
[07:16] <poningru> z3fir: I still dont know what your trouble is dude
[07:17] <z3fir> O-o
[07:17] <gradin> Kazz well then i'd say you got basic functionallity and refer you to #ubuntu-effects for glx issues
 my laptop has a video card geforce go 7600 and a card audio intel with codec by conexant, before with the 6.10 the audio didn't now work with the 7.04 the audio it works but only if I start with the option acpi=off. only that there is a problem: to the start it suits me to crash the server x. how can I resolve?
[07:18] <z3fir> *audio = sound
[07:18] <z3fir> :D
[07:18] <poningru> right
[07:18] <Kazz> gradin: Alright, I'll see if they can help me out after breakfast.  Thanks for helping me get it this far at least. :)
[07:19] <z3fir> have also written on the Italian forum but nobody knows whether to help me!
[07:20] <gradin> Kazz no prob :)
[07:20] <MrKeuner> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/109250761/article.pl\
[07:20] <MrKeuner> wi-fi driver security hole
[07:21] <sohum> ok, anyway, i just had the freeze bug again. I've updated bug 106522 with dmesg and kern.log from time of failure.
[07:21] <ubotu> Malone bug 106522 in Ubuntu "Root processes hang after computer has been on for a while" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106522
[07:21] <z3fir> does a way exist for correcting the problem that concerns the acpi?
[07:21] <shirish> guys how do I change the shell?
[07:22] <Turms_ubu> i have feisty, a graphic card nvidia geforce3 TI500 , i have 3d+beryl on edgy on another partition, but now i cannot find the right driver, the right choise should be nvidia-glx but it doesn't seem to support the gpu, nvidia-glx-legacy works but i have 800x600 only, is it a bug or what?
[07:22] <MrKeuner> shirish: look at /etc/passwd
[07:22] <shirish> MrKeuner: thanx
[07:22] <ahuman> shirish, chsh
[07:22] <Turms_ubu> i have feisty, a graphic card nvidia geforce3 TI500 , i have 3d+beryl on edgy on another partition, but now i cannot find the right driver, the right choise should be nvidia-glx but it doesn't seem to support the gpu, nvidia-glx-legacy works but i have 800x600 only, is it a bug or what?
[07:22] <shirish> ahuman: I have already done that, but that does not seem to have any effect
[07:23] <MrKeuner> shirish: that's temporary
[07:23] <MrKeuner> you can run c shell and do things with it
[07:23] <MrKeuner> but next time you login it will be the default shell you'll be logging in
[07:23] <ahuman> shirish, .. editing /etc/passwd makes it permanent
[07:23] <fillet54> does anyone know how to get temperature readings from a core 2 duo?
[07:23] <Kazz> Turms_ubu: Some of us are having problems with nvidia-glx right now...I don't know what the problem is yet.
[07:24] <shirish> ahuman: what. where should I be editing to get another shell?
[07:24] <Turms_ubu> Kazz, ok then, i'll wait until the problem is fixed, thanks
[07:24] <ahuman> shirish, the last field in the /etc/passwd file
[07:25] <ScarFreewill> rsync://mir1.ovh.net/ubuntu/ does not work
[07:25] <shirish> ahuman: there are lot of things here, should I edit the entry of the user say shirish?
[07:25] <Kazz> Turms_ubu: I can't tell you for sure that it'll be fixed just with an update of the package, but that's my guess right now...if you're around whenever I get it working (if I do) I'll try to remember to tell you, or at least tell the channel.
[07:25] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[07:25] <aaroncampbell> That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.  What can I do to get rid of it?
[07:26] <Kazz> Turms_ubu: Temporarily you could us the nv driver instead of the nvidia driver, which should at least get you into X.
[07:26] <Turms_ubu> Kazz, many thanks :-)
[07:26] <Kazz> Turms_ubu: Just change nvidia to nv in xorg.conf
[07:26] <shirish> ahuman: for e.g. I have done this shirish:x:1000:1000:shirish,,,:/home/shirish:/usr/bin/fish is that ok?
[07:26] <Kazz> No problem. :)
[07:26] <Turms_ubu> Kazz, obviously, i did :-D
[07:26] <ahuman> shirish, that looks ok
[07:26] <shirish> ok cool, now should i reboot to make the changes or what?
[07:27] <Turms_ubu> Kazz, the problem is this is my son's pc :-D
[07:27] <Kazz> Turms_ubu: Well, you could be using another computer or a text IRC client... ;)
[07:27] <ahuman> shirish, log out
[07:27] <ahuman> or open another term
[07:27] <thorkild> does anybody know if there are outstanding issues on installing when it comes to resizing ntfs-partitions etc? I usually use dapper/edgy, but I'd like to go directly to feisty-beta on a new laptop.
[07:28] <Turms_ubu> Kazz, do not worry, i have been using debian for the last 9 years, i know what to do, i prefer ubuntu on my son's pc because for certain their conf are more user friendly than mine :-D
[07:28] <AaronMT> !build
[07:28] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:28] <AaronMT> What is the URL to the latest build?
[07:29] <Kazz> Turms_ubu: gradin (who was helping me try to fix this) said I should ask in #ubuntu-effects, so you may want to try that because before I work on it more I need to go eat and do a few other things.  If you find a solution first, please let me know. :)
[07:29] <Turms_ubu> Kazz, ok :-)
[07:29] <z3fir> I have written a topic on the forum we see
[07:32] <mcarroll> !daily > AaronMT
[07:32] <AaronMT> ty
[07:37] <sohum> hey guys, how would I use NetworkManager in, say, ion3?
[07:38] <shirish> does anybody know how I can set up a rsync thing?
[07:38] <Lynoure> shirish: "a rsync thing"? rsync what?
[07:39] <Lynoure> shirish: mirroring, backups, something else?
[07:39] <sohum> shirish: i think you might be looking for this; http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/
[07:39] <shirish> Lynoure: rsync, the last day's live cd .iso to todays .iso
[07:39] <sohum> shirish: oh. not that then
[07:39] <sohum> hey guys, how would I use NetworkManager in, say, ion3?
[07:40] <shirish> Lynoure: sohum: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201
[07:40] <shirish> Lynoure: sohum: there is this rsync script given at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=386269
[07:41] <Lynoure> shirish: you tried it already?
[07:41] <sohum> shirish: i don't know much about rsync, that link is one i've kept and meant to read up on
[07:41] <shirish> Lynoure: yup I have tried it, doing it manually but something is an issue
[07:42] <sohum> Lynoure, do you know how I would use NetworkManager in, say, ion3?
[07:42] <Lynoure> sohum: I do not use ion3
[07:42] <shirish> Lynoure: lemme pastebin it, perhaps u can find something
[07:42] <sohum> Lynoure, in a non-graphical terminal then
[07:43] <bur[n] er> wee... kernel is fixed :)   time to download
[07:43] <shirish> Lynoure: here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15824/
[07:44] <philip_> can I boot into the LiveCD, delete all directories except /home then reinstall and have /home unchanged?
[07:45] <sohum> hey guys, how would I use NetworkManager in, say, ion3?
[07:45] <Lynoure> sohum: you did not find anything when searching?
[07:45] <sohum> Lynoure: nope
[07:45] <Lynoure> sohum: you repeat that a lot...
[07:45] <sohum> Lynoure: then again, i was looking specifically for ion3
[07:46] <shirish> !repeat | sohum
[07:46] <ubotu> sohum: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[07:46] <sohum> Lynoure: sorry, but its 3am here and I need some sleep
[07:46] <sohum> i'll leave you guys alone
[07:46] <slytherin> sohum: what is ion3?
[07:46] <shirish> sohum: perhaps try a little l8ter, you might get lucky
[07:46] <shirish> yup what is ion3?
[07:46] <sohum> slytherin: a non-graphical terminal
[07:47] <sohum> say i booted my comp into recovery mode. How would I use networkmanager there, is basically what I was asking
[07:47] <shirish> sohum: then what issue are u having? not able to get net or what?
[07:47] <shirish> sohum: why do u want/need network manager there?
[07:47] <askar> will feisty be in time? what do u think?
[07:47] <sohum> shirish no, sudo NetworkManager appears to have no effect if I'm not in gnome of kde
[07:48] <sohum> shirish... for internet?
[07:48] <slytherin> sohum: network manager daemon is always running I think. Only thing is that you will have to find it's command line options
[07:48] <Lynoure> sohum: try this for starters: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=61775&sid=f0a32bfe9fca4c3c9281337aa0113319
[07:48] <shirish> sohum: you do not need network manager it would be /etc/interfaces I guess
[07:48] <sohum> Lynoure: i'll check that, thanks
[07:49] <sohum> shirish: NetworkManager does not play well with /etc/network/interfaces
[07:50] <shirish> sohum: ok cool didn't know that
[07:50] <misfit_toy> sohum, I'm finding that out now...should I clear out /e/n/interfaces and let NM do all the work?
[07:50] <shirish> Lynoure: any progress on my issue?
[07:50] <sohum> misfit_toy: everything but the loopback interfaces
[07:51] <shirish> misfit_toy: are u also on terminal or what?
[07:51] <misfit_toy> sohum, lemme try that then, so just the first lines about loopback and lo, nuke everything else
[07:51] <slytherin> sohum: misfit_toy: Most of the problems are solved with latest version.
[07:51] <misfit_toy> slytherin, my NM still says "manual configuration"
[07:51] <misfit_toy> shirish, no, I'm in gnome
[07:51] <Lynoure> shirish: sorry, did not look at it yet...
[07:51] <shirish> misfit_toy: that is being done by design, its a fix for the moment
[07:52] <slytherin> misfit_toy: Is your card configured statically?
[07:52] <shirish> Lynoure: ok cool
[07:52] <misfit_toy> slytherin, it is in /e/n/interfaces, but I"m taking that out right now and will stop and start networking to test.
[07:52] <misfit_toy> here goes
[07:53] <slytherin> misfit_toy: you will have to stop and start NM also.
[07:53] <Lynoure> shirish: the pastebin shows 4 chopped lines... no errors or any results
[07:53] <misfit_toy> slytherin, is that in /e/init.d ?
[07:53] <sohum> yes, stoppign and restarting NM did the trick!
[07:53] <shirish> Lynoure: that was just the script, do u think its ok
[07:53] <Lynoure> shirish: it's chopped
[07:53] <slytherin> misfit_toy: no. /etc/dbus-1/event.d/
[07:54] <shirish> Lynoure: what do u mean chopped, what else should be there?
[07:54] <Lynoure> shirish: are all the lines supposed to end with $, really?
[07:54] <shirish> Lynoure: I lifted it straight out of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=386269
[07:54] <slytherin> misfit_toy: first stop NMdispatcher and then NM
[07:54] <shirish> Lynoure: I have no idea
[07:54] <Lynoure> shirish: then it was chopped there too...
[07:54] <misfit_toy> slytherin, command please? I don't seem to be getting that right, sorry.
[07:55] <shirish> Lynoure: I see what u mean, lemme check
[07:55] <Lynoure> shirish: no, not chopped there, only in your paste
[07:55] <sohum> misfit_toy: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
[07:55] <slytherin> misfit_toy: 'sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher stop' then 'sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop'
[07:56] <sohum> misfit_toy: waht he said
[07:56] <Lynoure> shirish: it looks ok, no hurt it giving a go if you have the disk space
[07:56] <sohum> slytherin: what does the Dispatcher do?
[07:56] <shirish> Lynoure: look at this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15828/
[07:56] <misfit_toy> slytherin, got it, and start dispatch back up first then?
[07:57] <slytherin> misfit_toy: reverse order perhaps.
[07:58] <Lynoure> shirish: if you did not modify the commands, same applies
[07:58] <sohum> anyway, good night, all , from a gmt +10 timezone
[07:58] <shirish> Lynoure: what do u mean modify commands?
[07:58] <misfit_toy> slytherin, sure enough, that fixed it.
[07:58] <misfit_toy> THANK YOU
[07:59] <shirish> Lynoure: I get what u are saying, I did not modify the commands, only the places
[07:59] <misfit_toy> holy smokes I think that was the last feisty issue of the day!
[07:59] <Lynoure> shirish: you said you lifted it directly off the other page, in that case, the comments I gave about those lines on that other page apply. :)
[07:59] <misfit_toy> now what do I do?? LOL
[07:59] <slytherin> misfit_toy: Don't you have any card reader? Or perhaps you can try writing CD and see if you get any issue ;-)
[07:59] <Lynoure> shirish: it's a good starting point, worth trying yourself and seeing where you want to take it.
[08:00] <misfit_toy> slytherin, oh yes, I did have a burning cd/dvd issue, haven't tested that in a week...
[08:01] <Turms_ubu> Kazz, what i've been told in #ubuntu-effects is: install nvidia-glx (which should be the right driver for my graphic card) and then purge and reinstall linux-restricted-modules`uname -r` because it seems the wrong kernel module is chosen at start
[08:02] <misfit_toy> I still wonder why NM wants to call my wifi card eth1 instead of wlan0
[08:03] <shirish> Lynoure: in order to use the script, I need to make it executable right?
[08:03] <finalbeta> misfit_toy: that's not network managers doing, but the kernels I believe.
[08:03] <slytherin> misfit_toy: I am not not sure how it decides names, on my dad's laptop it is eth0 and wired NIC is eth1 :-)
[08:03] <slytherin> misfit_toy: It is not NM who names the cards.
[08:04] <misfit_toy> weird
[08:04] <shirish> slytherin: finalbeta: misfit_toy: it seems it takes the first card/connection which is functional/connected to ethernet or up at that moment as eth0 or something like that
[08:04] <Lynoure> shirish: when experimenting, you can just run one line at a time. for real use it can be a function or a shell script
[08:05] <DarkSpirit> Anyone here know a Linux Usenet Program? Binary one
[08:05] <shirish> Lynoure: ok thanx
[08:05] <bur[n] er> DarkSpirit: doesn't Pan do binaries?
[08:05] <finalbeta> Oh my god, rhythmbox should be the default player, it's so incredibly horrible. Great fast database, al the rest is lousy.
[08:05] <DarkSpirit> I just had it
[08:05] <bur[n] er> DarkSpirit: or thunderbird?
[08:05] <DarkSpirit> I dont think so
[08:05] <DarkSpirit> I think only text
[08:05] <misfit_toy> finalbeta, try exaile
[08:06] <DarkSpirit> I dont know about Thunderbird
[08:06] <slytherin> shirish: I don't think that is the case. Then card names would change on every change in connection, right. :-D
[08:07] <misfit_toy> right, and my wifi is *always eth1*, whether I'm hard wired also or not.
[08:07] <DarkSpirit> I think there is an extension ofr Thunderbird
[08:07] <DarkSpirit> This is why I love Open Source stuff :D
[08:07] <slytherin> finalbeta: you think rhythmbox 'should be' or 'should not be' default player?
[08:08] <robertj> anyone ever seen  nma_dbus_init (): nma_dbus_init() could not acquire its service.  dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.34" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file'
[08:08] <shirish> slytherin: at the time of install, one of network cards (which should have been eth1) was up, while the one which is not used (not connected, although is etho) were taken as eth0 (connected) and eth1 (not connected) respectively
[08:08] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: Thunderbird should support binary newsgroups by default.
[08:08] <jarle> My linux-box has been restarted more times the last week than the total number of restarts over the last couple of years, just trying to get nvidia-glx working again...
[08:08] <finalbeta> Just had 100 errors because 50 songs didn't want to copy to my usb disk while in fact there is 500MB left. The last FM plugin is buggy and starts playing the streams in cracks when you skip a song. It does no crossfading, no equalizing, it doesn't detect the lenght of songs correctly, it crashes randomly, the visualisations don't work are are lousy, cover art keeps showing the first album I play.  Tagging doesn't actually work work.
[08:08] <DarkSpirit> Cool
[08:08] <finalbeta> Sry, But it feels good to vent now and then :p
[08:09] <FFIXXXX> hi which packages do i need to get the nvidia driver working i have restricted, nvidia-new and linux-headers but they still dont work
[08:09] <bur[n] er> jarle: odd becuase you should only have to restart X :)
[08:09] <DarkSpirit> If you say so slytherin (Doctor Who) ?
[08:09] <bur[n] er> FFIXXXwhat kind of card?
[08:09] <slytherin> robertj: Go to System -> Preferences -> Sessions. Find NM in startup programs, edit it and add --sm-diable at the end of command.
[08:09] <jarle> bur[n] er: After a kernel update you need to restart..
[08:10] <FFIXXXX> nvidia
[08:10] <bur[n] er> jarle: true
[08:10] <robertj> slytherin: I tried running it like that, same problem
[08:10] <FFIXXXX> using low-latency kernel it works on generic
[08:10] <bur[n] er> FFIXXX: nvidia ... geforce4, FX 6200, 8900XT?
[08:10] <FFIXXXX> dont know what i am missing
[08:10] <FFIXXXX> 6600gt
[08:10] <slytherin> finalbeta: are you on fiesty? Because I never had problem on tagging. I don't know about rest of the things.
[08:11] <slytherin> robertj: Then I don't know the solution.
[08:11] <finalbeta> slytherin: I'm on Feisty. But tagging is the one thing I didn't test in here.
[08:11] <bur[n] er> FFIXXX: nvidia-glx-new should be all you need... did you run "sudo nvidia-xconfig enable" after it was installed?
[08:11] <FFIXXXX> yup
[08:12] <slytherin> !tell FFIXXXX about nvidia
[08:12] <bur[n] er> does X start at all FFIXXX?
[08:12] <FFIXXXX> no it says module wfp or something is missing
[08:12] <FFIXXXX> never heard about it
[08:12] <TheSilentW> hello guys, i wanted to play a windows game on ubuntu, how to? it doesnt run under wine
[08:12] <bur[n] er> FFIXXX: sure you're dist-upgraded?
[08:12] <bur[n] er> TheSilentW: cedega possibly
[08:12] <FFIXXXX> always
[08:13] <TheSilentW> FFIXXX, had that problem, update kernel and nvidia-glx-new
[08:13] <bur[n] er> TheSilentW: what game?  you can check cedega's repository
[08:13] <TheSilentW> lineage 2
[08:13] <TheSilentW> cedega is free?
[08:13] <bur[n] er> TheSilentW: it is not
[08:13] <TheSilentW> is there a trial version?
[08:14] <bur[n] er> TheSilentW: http://cedega.com/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3272  <--looks like it works in cedega... check cedega.com for the trial
[08:14] <TheSilentW> ok
[08:14] <TheSilentW> thx mate
[08:15] <FFIXXXX> bur[n] er: don' t understand either....
[08:16] <bur[n] er> FFIXXX: try the nvidia-glx driver instead of -new?
[08:16] <FFIXXXX> no but it works under -generic
[08:17] <FFIXXXX> just not -lowlatency
[08:17] <TheSilentW> FFIXXX, what card
[08:17] <bur[n] er> oh oh oh... got me
[08:17] <FFIXXXX> 6600gt
[08:17] <Kazz> I've been having trouble with a 6800GT too.
[08:18] <Kazz> Neither -glx nor -glx-new are working for me right now.
[08:18] <shirish> finalbeta: I have issue with linearity, I am using exaile & it uses shuffle (random) while I would want them to play as they are listed. Do not see anyway how it can be.
[08:19] <FFIXXXX> oh wait i see i had the header metapackage installed but not the current headers....
[08:19] <bur[n] er> Kazz: FFIXXXX's works in the normal -generic kernel though
[08:19] <finalbeta> shirish: no idea, rhythmbox random/queue has been broken a long time. But they don't have the manpower to fix it. In my opinion it was a bad idea to write a media player in C like they wanted to.
[08:20] <bur[n] er> random question, can anyone verify that Intel 950 cards can do beryl effects?
[08:20] <shirish> finalbeta: you might want to check out exaile, it works quite cool in fact, I like the mini-mode it has, just few quirks & its perfect for me.
[08:20] <Kazz> bur[n] er: Huh...I'm pretty sure the one over here is -generic too...
[08:20] <bur[n] er> finalbeta: exaile doesn't handle ipods as well as rhythmbox htough
[08:21] <shirish> finalbeta: or maybe I am the quirky one
[08:21] <bur[n] er> Kazz: that's what I'm saying, yours should work ;)  FFIXXXX's does
[08:21] <Kazz> bur[n] er: *Should*, yeah...but it doesn't. <laugh>
[08:21] <finalbeta> bur[n] er: doesn't matter, the only media player that handles usb media players well seems to be windows media player. I can have it fill the player with random songs from a genre or a playlist. That's what I really need.
[08:22] <Kazz> The nv driver works, but that's lacking in 3D capabilities I believe...
[08:22] <lolman> For media players I prefer banshee myself
[08:22] <bur[n] er> finalbeta: you're kidding?  rhythmbox works wonderfully well with my usb mp3 player
[08:22] <FFIXXXX> ooops maybe i didnt hit apply last time -headers-lowlatency wasnt installed either
[08:22] <hylje> lololol banshee
[08:22] <hylje> i use it too
[08:22] <finalbeta> bur[n] er: you can have it randomly fill the player?
[08:23] <FFIXXXX> anyway lowlatency kicks ass, really gives the snap back to your desktop
[08:23] <bur[n] er> finalbeta: no, you're right... but amarok can :)
[08:24] <slytherin> finalbeta: I have tried felling iPod with rhythmbox and it works.
[08:24] <finalbeta> bur[n] er: yeah, i'm starting to like amarok. Weird playlist handling though. But I might get used to it.
[08:24] <finalbeta> One thing is for sure, amarok is the one player that can compete with players on "propretary platforms"
[08:24] <lolman> Is lowlatency really as good as it's meant to be?
[08:25] <Hidan> shirish: heya :)
[08:25] <slytherin> finalbeta: as long as the song is in library or playlist :-)
[08:25] <shirish> hey Hidan :)
[08:25] <Hidan> shirish: how goes your work? :)
[08:25] <finalbeta> slytherin, the new one should fix that I think.
[08:25] <shirish> Hidan: I finally managed to write the specification
[08:25] <Hidan> shirish: great!!!! good job! :)
[08:26] <shirish> Hidan: I don't know https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apportexpanded check it out & lemme know
[08:26] <slytherin> finalbeta: anyway, I have seen many players these days come with MTP support for which you need Windows Media Player 11 which is available only for Windows XP :-)
[08:27] <lolman> And the evil Vista
[08:27] <finalbeta> Windows media player 11 is the best player ever though :p. Love the library, options, it's insane how good it is :p
[08:27] <finalbeta> Wish I could run it inside wine. lol
[08:27] <slytherin> finalbeta: personally I don't like players which maintain some database of songs and which don't support Free formats. And that is the reason I still don't have a portable music player :-)
[08:27] <Hidan> shirish: looks interesting but seriously, i can't give much feedback. I don't know much about Ubuntu applications and commands. :p
[08:28] <lolman> Part of the reason I installed OggPlay on my phone ;)
[08:28] <slytherin> lolman: which phone?
[08:28] <lolman> Nokia N70
[08:28] <finalbeta> slytherin: wmp can do any format you want. Install a codec ;)
[08:28] <shirish> Hidan: understand, actually apport came out just a while ago. check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[08:28] <bcstv> Will I need to install the feisty final release even though I have kept up to date?
[08:29] <Hidan> shirish: cool... hang on. oh you mean that crash report tool, huh?
[08:29] <slytherin> finalbeta: I have cleaned Windows from my PC almost 3 years ago and there is no reason I am going back. ;-)
[08:29] <shirish> Hidan: right on the money :)
[08:29] <bricas> perhaps someone can help me get tomcat 5.5 working in feisty. I have it installed, and i started it (shows up in ps ax|grep tomcat), but "tomcat status" says it's not running, and localhost:8180 doesn't respond.
[08:29] <mcarroll> Can someone explain the final release process for feisty to me? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023578.html implies 20070414 is RC, but https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting says "20070415 are Candidates". I need to do a clean install of ubuntu on one machine and am happy to test the RC, but want to make sure i'm testing the appropriate iso.
[08:29] <slytherin> bcstv: of course not.
[08:29] <lolman> 1 reason I still use XP, and that's a game I play...WINE runs it like turd
[08:29] <bcstv> THx
[08:29] <slytherin> bricas: shouldn't the port be 8080?
[08:30] <finalbeta> slytherin: I have many reasons to keep it around. But I've been running ubuntu as my main OS since dapper. And there is not a day I don't think about going back to windows. Only the initial hassle is keeping me from it. hehe
[08:30] <Hidan> shirish: i found it half useful and half useless. often, the bug report would be really large and take a while to send and sometimes, it sent me to a launchpad "file bug report" page.
[08:30] <slytherin> mcarroll: Is there any particular reason you need to test RC?
[08:30] <bricas> slytherin: not according to /etc/tomcat5.5/server.xml -- 8080 isn't responding either though, fyi.
[08:30] <Hidan> shirish: and on that launchpad "file bug report page", the data from the crash report never went through.
[08:31] <slytherin> bricas: what do you get when you do \ps -ef |grep tomcat'
[08:31] <shirish> Hidan: if you are there, then usually it does get sent, lemme find couple of my bug-reports which reflect that
[08:31] <DarkSpirit> It seems PAN can download Binaries
[08:31] <DarkSpirit> Silly me :(
[08:31] <slytherin> bricas: 'ps -ef |grep tomcat' I mean (without quotes
[08:31] <Hidan> shirish: really? it never said anything so I assumed the data didn't go through.
[08:31] <mcarroll> slytherin: i could use the beta release now, or wait for final release, but since i need to do an install now, and am reasonably ok with dealing with any issues that arise, it would seem useful to test the RC - the more tests the better, no?
[08:32] <FFIXXXX> weird now i really installed headers and restricted and still no nvidia on lowlatency
[08:32] <shirish> Hidan: look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/103238
[08:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 103238 in usplash "[apport]  usplash crashed with SIGSEGV in memset()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:32] <bricas> slytherin: http://scsys.co.uk:8001/7293
[08:32] <lolman> FFIXXXX, I'll try installing lowlatency, see if it's just you
[08:32] <slytherin> mcarroll: ok. then ask on #ubuntu-desktop. Perhaps they will be able to tell you for sure.
[08:32] <mcarroll> slytherin: thanks
[08:32] <shirish> Hidan: look at all those gz. & .txt after the report ends, that was apports work
[08:33] <FFIXXXX> cool thanks
[08:33] <FFIXXXX> @lolman
[08:33] <lolman> It'll be a few minutes :)
[08:34] <FFIXXXX> me too i installed backports, now everything lowlatency is installed but debug...
[08:34] <slytherin> bricas: have you checked logs. I haven't yet run tomcat on Ubuntu but I run it daily on Win 2k. So I am not promising much help.
[08:35] <slytherin> shirish: that page needs some better english :-)
[08:35] <shirish> slytherin: I know, I am not a native english speaker
[08:36] <shirish> slytherin: feel free to edit it yourself if you can make it more presentable
[08:36] <slytherin> shirish: It is midnight here. So I will be probably do it tomorrow.
[08:36] <shirish> slytherin: sure, thanx :)
[08:37] <slytherin> shirish: by the way, I am also not native English speaker. :-D
[08:37] <defendguin> where can i view the goals for gutsy?
[08:37] <DarkSpirit> How can I do the PAR2 in Linux ?
[08:37] <Hidan> shirish: ah i see...
[08:37] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: what is PAR2?
[08:37] <lolman> DarkSpirit, sudo aptitude install gpar2
[08:38] <bricas> slytherin: for whatever reason, 8180 is responding now -- but it's just blank.
[08:38] <lolman> par2 is a file integrity checker commonly used on usenet :)
[08:38] <slytherin> bricas: check the logs
[08:39] <bricas> slytherin: aye, brb.
[08:39] <[miles] > grr whats wrong with the ubuntu gpg key server?
[08:39] <shirish> slytherin: even in that case, feel free if you can clean it more, make it presentable or have something to add. I do have a local copy so not an issue.
[08:40] <DarkSpirit> Damn I went from having all programs "borrowed" too all free. lol
[08:40] <shirish> Hidan: it is a very useful tool, just not been given enough love/priorty
[08:40] <slytherin> shirish: you are Indian, right?
[08:40] <[miles] > I keep getting an error when trying import my key to launchad
[08:40] <shirish> slytherin: yup, 100%
[08:40] <slytherin> [miles] : ask in #launchpad
[08:40] <slytherin> shirish: me too :-)
[08:41] <shirish> slytherin: I had a sneaky feeling of that when u said midnight
[08:41] <DarkSpirit> Thank you lolman
[08:41] <FFIXXXX> and lolman does lowlatency w/ nvidia work for you?
[08:41] <[miles] > ok
[08:41] <Hidan> shirish: huh quite true... brb, this smartctl tool is pissing me off...
[08:41] <dzer0|Laptop> hello
[08:41] <anto> Dose feisty fawn 64x affect games ??
[08:41] <slytherin> shirish: are you currently in India, or out of India?
[08:41] <shirish> Hidan: what smartctrl tool?
[08:41] <shirish> slytherin: in India, pune actually
[08:41] <anto> because i could run tibia in 32x but not 64x i get a segementation fault
[08:41] <slytherin> shirish: same here.
[08:42] <Hidan> shirish: it's some S.m.a.r.t monitoring tool and claims that my hdd is failing... lol.
[08:42] <slytherin> anto: which games?
[08:42] <dzer0|Laptop> I just started up my install disk for 7.04 and it started going into it's livecd thing, showing the ubuntu bootscreen, and then my display became blue with white lines on it
[08:42] <slytherin> misfit_toy: which keyboard?
[08:42] <anto> slytherin: Tibia
[08:42] <dzer0|Laptop> and it's completely unresponsive
[08:42] <shirish> Hidan: u mean while POST is running (at the very start) or where?
[08:42] <jarle> misfit_toy: Which gfx card have you got?
[08:42] <shirish> slytherin: based where?
[08:42] <slytherin> dzer0|Laptop: is yours a widescreen monitor?
[08:43] <shirish> slytherin: wait, lemme guess bangalore or iit calcutta?
[08:43] <dzer0|Laptop> yes slytherin
[08:43] <Hidan> shirish: but the funny thing is that my Pata hdd is the one that's been getting noisy lately... not my Sata hdd. Oh no, i installed these s.m.a.r.t. monitoring tools and ran it off Terminal.
[08:43] <slytherin> shirish: Pune. That's why I said same here.
[08:43] <shirish> slytherin: lol, that's really cool
[08:43] <slytherin> dzer0|Laptop: that might be the problem although I am not very sure.
[08:44] <dzer0|Laptop> ok, im trying again in safe graphics mode
[08:44] <DarkSpirit> File Roller - How can I set it to DRAG and Drop and it will extract instead of me clicking EXTRACT
[08:44] <shirish> Hidan: no idea about SATA hdds sorry
[08:44] <Hidan> shirish: huh it's okay... just wondering why i never received any smart failure warnings before...
[08:45] <shirish> Hidan: one never knows, it could be a genuine thing, that the hdd might be failing, but then it could be a software glitch
[08:45] <DarkSpirit> Dont you lot have a Ubuntu newbie channel ?
[08:45] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: looks like file roller doesn't support dnd extraction
[08:45] <shirish> Hidan: look for S.M.A.R.T on wikipedia & see what u come up with
[08:45] <DarkSpirit> Any other program I can use ?
[08:46] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: no idea.
[08:46] <dzer0|Laptop> wow, not only did safe graphics mode work, but my soundcard worked when it started
[08:46] <dzer0|Laptop> :o
[08:46] <shirish> DarkSpirit: there is #ubuntu channel also
[08:46] <slytherin> dzer0|Laptop: looks like my wild guess helped you
[08:46] <DarkSpirit> Okay I also need to make NBZ files open with PAN but in the OPen WITh its not there
[08:46] <xipietotec> grr.....I've got about 5 annoying bugs in 5 different places...
[08:46] <lolman> This channel is for the development version :)
[08:47] <DarkSpirit> I need to the command line for it
[08:47] <DarkSpirit> I am using 7.04 thought
[08:47] <DarkSpirit> Guess I will go there now
[08:47] <lolman> Noooo
[08:47] <lolman> They won't help with 7.04 there
[08:47] <dzer0|Laptop> yes thanks slytherin :)
[08:48] <DarkSpirit> Okay
[08:48] <DarkSpirit> So how can I make NBZ files open with PAN ?
[08:49] <lolman> NBZ files?
[08:49] <someothernick> DarkSpirit, right click nzb > properties > open with
[08:49] <DarkSpirit> Its not there
[08:49] <dzer0|Laptop> what FS should I use?
[08:49] <shirish> DarkSpirit: for those less evolved, what is NBZ & what is PAN?
[08:49] <dzer0|Laptop> ext3 right?
[08:49] <xipietotec> nautilus search tool doesn't work right, the Filesystem unremoveable bookmark in the global gnome "places" metaphor broke and now points to dev...which I can't remove, deskbar allways crashes on startup, is fixed by killing gnome panel and reloading, hibernate causes the window manager to break alltogether at seemingly random
[08:49] <shirish> dzer0|Laptop: right
[08:49] <DarkSpirit> NBZ is a file extensiopn and PAN is the program for it
[08:49] <lolman> I assume you mean NZB
[08:49] <DarkSpirit> I am trying to make NBZ files open in PAN
[08:49] <DarkSpirit> Whatever
[08:50] <DarkSpirit> NZB
[08:50] <DarkSpirit> Looks weird for me. lol
[08:50] <dzer0|Laptop> ok so I have a 20GB ext3 partition now I need to make a swap partition right?
[08:50] <dzer0|Laptop> how big does that need to be?
[08:51] <xipietotec> dzer0|Laptop: how much ram do you have
[08:51] <dzer0|Laptop> 2gb
[08:51] <slytherin> dzer0|Laptop: double the size of RAM
[08:51] <dzer0|Laptop> k
[08:51] <Hidan> shirish: yeah i've been reading up on SMART . Finally, I figured out why it's telling the hdd is failing lol. :P It seems that most hard disk manufacturers set a certain value once your hdd is kinda old and this value is usually read as "hdd is failing"... when it just means that the hdd is ageing, that's all. :P
[08:51] <slytherin> dzer0|Laptop: wait, if you have 2 GB of RAM you will not actyually need swap ever.
[08:51] <xipietotec> slytherin: ....I have 1 gb of ram and I never use more than 17mb of swap
[08:51] <dzer0|Laptop> oh ok
[08:51] <hylje> slytherin: unless you want to hibernate
[08:51] <shirish> Hidan: ok cool, so nothing to worry, they just want u to buy a new hdd & make them happy.
[08:51] <lolman> I've never used any swap with 1gb RAM
[08:51] <dzer0|Laptop> so aside from my ext3 partition, that's all I need right?
[08:52] <Hidan> shirish: pretty scary actually since how many users know about this, eh? :P
[08:52] <lolman> As for the pan issue...let me install said program :P
[08:52] <Hidan> shirish: in fact, i got kinda freaked out and worried.
[08:53] <shirish> Hidan: see that is why wikipedia or google is so cool :p (although wikipedia is far far cooler)
[08:53] <DarkSpirit> Where do programs get installed normally in Ubuntu ?
[08:53] <Hidan> shirish: actually i got that info from the ubuntu forums. Some thread in 2005 where the developers were discussing certain things.
[08:53] <dzer0|Laptop> BTW this installer is so much better than the text based one
[08:53] <shirish> ah cool :p
[08:53] <lolman> brb
[08:53] <dzer0|Laptop> and this migration thing is awesome
[08:54] <shirish> dzer0|Laptop: some people think its not enough, but yes expectations do soar over time
[08:54] <dzer0|Laptop> the only thing it didn't catch was my GAIM settings
[08:54] <dzer0|Laptop> err, "pidgin" :P
[08:55] <ferret_0568> How do I set up nm-applet so that I don't have to type my keyring password to get on wireless networks?
[08:55] <bricas> slytherin: i restarted tomcat, and it's not responding again. i guess that was a bad idea :) -- i'm going to restart my machine. bbl.
[08:55] <ferret_0568> It was something with pam
[08:56] <ferret_0568> I think this is a general Ubuntu question
[08:56] <ferret_0568> I'll go to #ubuntu
[08:56] <misfit_toy> any idea why *some* mm keyboard shortcuts would work and others won't?
[08:57] <visik7> hi
[08:57] <slytherin> ferret_0568: Theere was some thread on forum or some page on wiki that solves your problem.
[08:57] <xipietotec> Where would I submit a bug related to Hibernate mode?
[08:58] <catid> is there anything like Turbotax for linux?
[08:58] <lolman> catid, you mean money handling stuff?
[08:58] <ferret_0568> Launchpad bugs
[08:58] <xipietotec> ferret_0568: I mean what *package*
[08:58] <catid> seasonal tax program
[08:58] <DarkSpirit> Can you do SendTo Desktop as Shortcut ?
[08:58] <ferret_0568> xserver-xorg, I believe
[08:58] <catid> the laws change year to year so i don't have high hopes but maybe there is a free software alternative?
[08:59] <xipietotec> ferret_0568: ....thankya :)
[08:59] <slytherin> xipietotec: submit it without package. Bug Squad will take care of finding right package
[09:00] <lolman> catid, I'm looking now :)
[09:00] <blizz> hello.
[09:00] <ferret_0568> The bug might be due to the NVIDIA module
[09:01] <blizz> is it possible to install unsatisfied dependencies which have been discovered by `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot` via apt-get or aptitude?
[09:01] <Kazz> catid: Turbotax has an online version which you could hopefully use in Linux, or you could see if anyone's had success running it in wine.  I don't know of any similar open source projects, but they may be out there.
[09:01] <ferret_0568> It breaks suspend too
[09:01] <ferret_0568> How is the nv module progress going?
[09:01] <catid> Kazz: thanks, looking to see if it will run in WINE now
[09:01] <Kazz> catid: I think people would be afraid of doing that kind of project though because one little bug can cause a lot of serious problems for a lot of people.
[09:01] <ferret_0568> I want to use it instead...
[09:02] <catid> Kazz: are you saying open source developers aren't up to that challenge?
[09:02] <catid> i would disagree
[09:03] <lolman> catid, I can't find any Linux ones, one is in development, but it's not anywhere near done
[09:03] <catid> kay
[09:03] <Kazz> catid: No, just that I don't think most developers would want to take on a relatively boring project that requires absolute perfection in all of its results every time and has to be significantly changed every year...
[09:03] <jmhodges> hey, could someone help me debug my weirdly missing title bars, inability to switch between windows and some apps that keep segfaulting, but not if they are run in valgrind?
[09:03] <jmhodges> i can't figure this one out.. gnome-keybinding-properties segfaults, like i expect something esle major is, but if i run valgrind around it, it works fine
[09:03] <catid> wine's appdb says turbotax 2005 will work
[09:03] <Kazz> catid: I'm sure some people would do it, but it would be a tough job.
[09:04] <blizz> or is there maybe a command to build unmet dependencies of deb-source packages?
[09:04] <catid> guess it's time for a trip to office depot!
[09:04] <lolman> catid, that's worth a shot if you want to go buy a copy
[09:04] <gourdin> in feisty, using /sbin/cryptsetup command activate my dvd drive, it is really annoying
[09:04] <Kazz> catid: I would still try the online version if that's an option for you, or see if anyone has had success with it.
[09:04] <gourdin> why using this command would wake up my cd drive ?
[09:04] <catid> Kazz: good idea
[09:04] <ferret_0568> jmhodges, are you using unoffical repos?
[09:05] <blizz> ah. build-dep.
[09:05] <slytherin> blizz: Yes there is. I don't remember it right now.
[09:05] <DarkSpirit> What Media Players do you lot use?
[09:05] <blizz> was it build-dep in your mind?
[09:05] <DarkSpirit> I want something like Media Player Classic
[09:05] <blizz> mhm, that's a nice feature actually.
[09:05] <blizz> DarkSpirit, vlc?
[09:05] <slytherin> blizz: I think so
[09:06] <DarkSpirit> I got VLC
[09:06] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: how about mplayer?
[09:06] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: I use totem more often though.
[09:06] <budluva> anyone here have problems converting xvid to dvd in tovid with feisty?
[09:07] <slytherin> budluva: what problem?
[09:07] <concept10> Anyone know where the gnome panel keeps those .desktop launchers?
[09:07] <misfit_toy> budluva, haven't tried that yet, but they are very  helpful in #tovid
[09:08] <budluva> well on 2 separate xvids, they both play for a couple minutes on the dvd and then they stop...they play fine on the computer, and tovid doesn't spit out any errors
[09:08] <misfit_toy> budluva, you mean they play on the computer from a file but not once burned to dvd?
[09:08] <budluva> yeah
[09:08] <slytherin> concept10: I would recommend devede is a tool to generate DVDs. It uses mplayer/mencoder as backend.
[09:08] <misfit_toy> budluva, dvd in the computer or one attached to a tv somewhere?
[09:08] <budluva> im not aware of any other tools to convert xvid to dvd so i dont know if its me, feisty, or tovid or what
[09:09] <budluva> in my standalone dvd player
[09:09] <misfit_toy> budluva, my standalone dvd player won't play half the stuff I burn to it, I think it's just the way it is...
[09:09] <dzer0|Laptopp> aaah! my install just stopped at like 99% because GRUB wouldn't install!
[09:09] <concept10> nevermind I found them
[09:09] <DarkSpirit> Media Player Classic is Open Source right ?
[09:09] <slytherin> concept10: .gnome2/panel2.d in your home directory
[09:09] <concept10> they use weird names like eek-0xf2a
[09:10] <blizz> thanks, bye
[09:10] <budluva> misfit_toy: no this thing plays anything i throw at it, but those discs were are burned in *cough* windows *cough*
[09:10] <dzer0|Laptop> what could be causing grub to not install?
[09:10] <slytherin> budluva: I would recommend devede is a tool to generate DVDs. It uses mplayer/mencoder as backend.
[09:10] <dzer0|Laptop> I was SO CLOSE to finishing the install too!
[09:10] <lolman> dzer0|Laptop, no /boot partition?
[09:10] <dzer0|Laptop> I needed one?
[09:10] <dzer0|Laptop> fuck
[09:10] <slytherin> lolman: that is not a requisite.
[09:10] <lolman> slytherin, I know, but I've found that it helps :)
[09:11] <dzer0|Laptop> I thought all I needed was my ext3 partition and I would be ready to go
[09:11] <slytherin> dzer0|Laptop: you created a /, right? /boot is not required to be separate
[09:11] <dzer0|Laptop> yes I made a /
[09:11] <dzer0|Laptop> if it helps diagnose the issue, I'm attempting to dual boot with XP
[09:11] <dzer0|Laptop> XP is already on my HD
[09:11] <dzer0|Laptop> should I make a /boot partition?
[09:13] <slytherin> dzer0|Laptop: Actually last time I used installer (which was text mode) was when installing hoary. So I don't have any idea how a graphical installer looks like.
[09:13] <lolman> It's not a requirement, but I did and it worked...when I didn't it failed for some reason...might not have anything to do with that though :P
[09:13] <dzer0|Laptop> ok well I'll make one
[09:13] <dzer0|Laptop> what FS?
[09:13] <dzer0|Laptop> ext3?
[09:13] <dzer0|Laptop> and how big?
[09:14] <lolman> dzer0|Laptop, mine is ext3, 50mb
[09:14] <dzer0|Laptop> alright
[09:14] <dzer0|Laptop> Primary or Logical?
[09:14] <lolman> Shouldn't matter
[09:15] <dzer0|Laptop> ok
[09:15] <shirish> guys I have just downloaded the java-gcj-compat & tried to set it  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15844/
[09:15] <shirish> but some issue seems to be there, can somebody check it out?
[09:20] <johnficca> is the RC out yet?
[09:20] <Kazz> lolman: 50 megs is kinda' small, don't you think?  Mine was 100 and I was running out of space if I didn't keep up with removing most of the older kernels whenever there was an update.  (Now it's too big at 500m, but that was just a requirement of my kinda' weird setup.)
[09:20] <shirish> johnficca: nope, the RC RC candinates are out though
[09:20] <DarkSpirit> How can i get Kaffine to play h264 files ?
[09:21] <johnficca> where do I download them?
[09:21] <lolman> Kazz, I tend to have at most 2 kernels installed, never had any problems with it so far
[09:21] <robertj> does anyone here know how to troubleshoot dead-keys not working? some dead keys work in gr polytonic but others dont
[09:21] <robertj> ;o =  but 'o doesn't produce anything
[09:22] <Kazz> lolman: I was letting it grow to a few more than that before cleaning it up, which isn't too hard with a new kernel build coming out pretty much daily right now in Feisty. ;)
[09:22] <kapputu> just installed feisty. still on the live CD. Cannot connect to a Windows share. I'm not being authenticated, I guess
[09:22] <lolman> Kazz, true :)
[09:22] <johnficca> shirish: do you know where I can download them from?
[09:23] <shirish> johnficca: absolutely go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com & download them
[09:23] <johnficca> thanks
[09:23] <shirish> johnficca: there is also a place where u can give the test reports if u want
[09:23] <slytherin> kapputu: How are you trying to connect to windows share on your network?
[09:24] <kapputu> samba
[09:24] <lolman> brb :)
[09:24] <johnficca> so they are only beta ?
[09:24] <slytherin> kapputu: yes, I know that. but form where GUI?
[09:24] <shirish> johnficca: you just need to dig a little deep
[09:24] <kapputu> nautilus
[09:25] <kapputu> I was reading about a possible bug in Nautilus in feisty
[09:25] <slytherin> johnficca: you can download latest 'daily' cd
[09:25] <johnficca> ok I see it now
[09:25] <slytherin> kapputu: what bug? I tired it yesterday on a friend's machine and didn't see any problem.
[09:25] <shirish> johnficca: ok & if u feel like post the test reports at https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ of whichever or whatever u used
[09:25] <kapputu> hmm, lost that link
[09:26] <johnficca> ok
[09:26] <mmartin> Hi all. i run kubuntu feisty beta on my laptop, although his problem also happened in edgy. if i leave it a few hours and walk back to see the screensaver it takes a long time to become responsive again and a "top" then reveals a process from haldaemon using 100% cpu. ideas?
[09:26] <kapputu> wth
[09:26] <kapputu> ok, this is a little interesting
[09:27] <kapputu> I have 2 shared folders and I had 4 showing up in Nautilus for that machine
[09:27] <kapputu> e.g. both K and K$ showed up. K$ couldn't be authenticated whereas K opened without any authentication
[09:27] <slytherin> kapputu: Are the other two named C$ and D$?
[09:27] <kapputu> what's the difference?
[09:27] <kapputu> ah
[09:28] <kapputu> no permissions for any folder when I open K
[09:28] <slytherin> kapputu: Is the shared folder on netf file system?
[09:28] <slytherin> kapputu: I mean NTFS
[09:28] <kapputu> yeah
[09:28] <ryanakca> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:28] <ryanakca>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.27_amd64.deb
[09:28] <ryanakca> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:29] <ryanakca> when running 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'... (from feisty box)
[09:29] <slytherin> kapputu: you may need to install ntfs-3g but now sure how well itintegrates with samba or gnome-vfs
[09:30] <slytherin> ryanakca: is synaptic running?
[09:30] <DarkSpirit> How can I get Kaffeine to pay H264 files ?
[09:30] <ryanakca> slytherin: kubuntu... and no. apt is the only package manager running
[09:30] <kapputu> hmm, let me reboot to the installed version
[09:30] <ryanakca> line before that error is:
[09:30] <ryanakca> Preparing to replace qt3-doc 3:3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu4 (using .../qt3-doc_3%3a3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu5_all.deb) ...
[09:30] <ryanakca> Unpacking replacement qt3-doc ...
[09:30] <slytherin> ryanakca: that package may be corrupted.
[09:30] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: kaffeine uses gstreamer right?
[09:31] <DarkSpirit> I dont know
[09:31] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: let me check.
[09:31] <ryanakca> slytherin: ok... and I fix it by?
[09:31] <finalbeta> slytherin: I doubt that, if it's kde, it's xine right?
[09:32] <ryanakca> slytherin: it uses xine
[09:32] <slytherin> ryanakca: delete the cached copy of deb file you will need to download it again throught apt-get
[09:33] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: Install libxine1-ffmpeg it should enable support for h264
[09:33] <DarkSpirit> slytherin Doctor Who name ?
[09:33] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: what?
[09:34] <DarkSpirit> libxine1-ffmpeg is already the newest version.
[09:34] <DarkSpirit> libxine1-ffmpeg set to manual installed.
[09:34] <DarkSpirit> Nevermind
[09:34] <dzer0|Laptopp> ok so the install went just fine
[09:34] <dzer0|Laptopp> but now when I try to boot
[09:34] <dzer0|Laptopp> grub throws error 22 and stops
[09:34] <dzer0|Laptopp> what is error 22/
[09:37] <greg_g> I think I had that error before.....
[09:37] <greg_g> can't remember what it is, one second
[09:37] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: If you can provide output of 'dpkg -L libxine1-ffmpeg' then I may be able to help you
[09:38] <linux_kid> Is network-manager-gnome fixed yet??
[09:38] <greg_g> dzer0|Laptopp: http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html
[09:39] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, I can tell you how
[09:39] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, how? :)
[09:39] <slytherin> linux_kid: fixed for what?
[09:39] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, slytherin showed me this morning
[09:39] <linux_kid> slytherin, it messed up in the wireless area
[09:39] <dzer0|Laptopp> thanks greg_g, but how do I fix it?
[09:39] <misfit_toy> slytherin, he had the same issue I had this morning
[09:40] <linux_kid> slytherin, please :)
[09:40] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, I can do it
[09:40] <slytherin> linux_kid: ok then it is fixed. just update it to latest version and reboot. :-)
[09:40] <misfit_toy> lol
[09:40] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, oh, ok
[09:40] <DarkSpirit> I didn't want to post it here
[09:40] <DarkSpirit> I PMed you
[09:40] <DarkSpirit> Kaffieni just crashes when I try to load a h264 and VLC is having audio trouble
[09:40] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, I guess it's fixed as of today then, try what slytherin said
[09:41] <linux_kid> ok, will do
[09:41] <linux_kid> slytherin, is it in a special repo?
[09:41] <peepsalot> is Feisty supposed to be an LTS release?
[09:41] <linux_kid> peepsalot, no
[09:42] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: I usually stay away from Restricted Formats . so can't help you much. :-)
[09:42] <slytherin> peepsalot: no.
[09:42] <greg_g> dzer0|Laptopp: I guess it wasn't that error.. sorry
[09:42] <peepsalot> hmm, it seems they are few and far between
[09:42] <greg_g> dzer0|Laptopp: I don't know
[09:42] <linux_kid> peepsalot, 7.10 isn't LTS either
[09:43] <slytherin> dzer0|Laptopp: Did you check http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html#stage2 ?
[09:43] <peepsalot> linux_kid, yeah i just read that, that's why i was curious
[09:43] <thelaser> I blew away my /etc/network/interfaces a few seconds after upgrading to feisty, and now localhost doesn't work.  How can I either a) get that file back, or b) fix localhost?
[09:43] <peepsalot> the interfaces file is pretty simple
[09:44] <linux_kid> slytherin, my repo is showing the same version
[09:44] <slytherin> thelaser: create the file and add this to it
[09:44] <misfit_toy> thelaser, just add this to /e/n/interfaces
[09:44] <misfit_toy> auto lo
[09:44] <misfit_toy> iface lo inet loopback
[09:44] <slytherin> thelaser: # The loopback network interface
[09:44] <slytherin> auto lo
[09:44] <slytherin> iface lo inet loopback
[09:44] <slytherin> linux_kid: what is the version?
[09:45] <thelaser> I did, then did sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart, but still can't ping 127.0.0.1
[09:45] <linux_kid> slytherin, 0.6.4-6ubuntu7
[09:45] <slytherin> thelaser: what does your /etc/hosts file contain?
[09:46] <slytherin> linux_kid: ok that is latest version. what is the problem you are getting?
[09:46] <DarkSpirit> I will use VLC i fixed the sound problem
[09:46] <DarkSpirit> I need a Firewall for Ubuntu
[09:46] <linux_kid> slytherin, when you go over it, it says manual config, and it only has the options "modem and manual" clicked
[09:46] <zaggynl> DarkSpirit, firestarter
[09:47] <zaggynl> (is a firewall)
[09:47] <linux_kid> DarkSpirit, ip tabels
[09:47] <thelaser> 127.0.0.1   localhost
[09:47] <RenatoSilva> hello
[09:47] <thelaser> then a bunch of IPv6 stuff
[09:47] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: Firewall is build into kernel itself. what you need is a GUI for managing iptables
[09:47] <RenatoSilva> are you the feisty programmers or users, or cannonical supporters?
[09:47] <zaggynl> I stand corrected :>
[09:47] <linux_kid> slytherin, im gonna restart
[09:47] <slytherin> linux_kid: is your wireless card configured with staic address?
[09:47] <zaggynl> RenatoSilva, I'm a user myself
[09:47] <DarkSpirit> Cool
[09:48] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: users
[09:48] <Hidan> !wine
[09:48] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:48] <linux_kid> slytherin, how would i know? my router is dhcp...
[09:48] <Hidan> oops
[09:48] <Hidan> !packages
[09:48] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[09:48] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: some are programmers and mostly all supporters :-)
[09:48] <slytherin> linux_kid: fo to System -> Administration -> Network, check it and tell me
[09:49] <shirish> thelaser: if u do not use ipv6 then u need to put it in a bad list or blacklist
[09:49] <linux_kid> it says "Essid: candownet address: dhpc"
[09:49] <Kazz> If anyone else is having trouble with nvidia cards on the latest kernels/drivers, check to make sure that the appropriate linux-restricted-modules is installed.  For some reason the latest one wasn't installed for me when I updated everything.
[09:50] <slytherin> linux_kid: Ok. And is it on 'roaming mode'?
[09:50] <RenatoSilva> ok
[09:50] <linux_kid> slytherin, no
[09:50] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: why did you ask?
[09:50] <RenatoSilva> is tehre some such a creature here using modem??? rsss
[09:50] <xtknight> !samba
[09:50] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:50] <DarkSpirit> I installed Backup and Restore from Automatix, but I got no idea where the program is
[09:50] <RenatoSilva> do you remember what is a modem?? rsss
[09:50] <slytherin> linux_kid: then probably NM won't manage it. Not very sure.
[09:50] <RenatoSilva> well, it's more modern than ENIAC I can say :D
[09:51] <linux_kid> slytherin, why?
[09:51] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: I used to use it sometime back. Is it internal or external modem?
[09:51] <Kazz> RenatoSilva: I remember what one is, but I haven't used one in probably 8 years or somethin'.
[09:51] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: softmodem
[09:51] <slytherin> linux_kid: I am not NM developer also I don't have wireless, so I don't have idea.
[09:51] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: which?
[09:51] <RenatoSilva> Kazz: you don't have ideia at how it's still very used here in Brazil
[09:51] <DarkSpirit> No shockwave player for Linux ?
[09:52] <slytherin> DarkSpirit: nope
[09:52] <linux_kid> slytherin, ok, thanks for your help... but if I put it in roaming mode, will it work?
[09:52] <RenatoSilva> Kazz: lacking modem support is have lost a considerable ammouning of users here
[09:52] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: Agere
[09:53] <slytherin> linux_kid: yes, but then if you are using WEP/WPA, NM will store the key in gnome-keyring and it will ask you for keyring password on every login.
[09:53] <kapputu> mounting NTFS Windows shares using Samba. How's it done?
[09:53] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: i had trouble in Edgy, and in favt i'm here with it, but in Feisty I was expecting some auomagic installation
[09:53] <linux_kid> slytherin, ok, then I'll do that, thanks...
[09:53] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: it's sad that STILL there's no support
[09:54] <thelaser> Hmm, well that worked.  I wonder why restarting networking doesn't fix lo.
[09:54] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: Actually it's kind of very late here. I will just give you pointers, try installing sl-modem-daemon package. If it doesn't work then search wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:54] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: no even tell me at the confusing Network applet, that it did not find my modem
[09:55] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: i know what to do, the same with Edgy, but the point is that i do not want to do :)
[09:55] <zaggynl> The navigation buttons on my mouse aren't working, how would I fix this?
[09:55] <kapputu> hello?
[09:55] <shirish> thelaser: have u tried this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[09:56] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: there's a kind of linux restricted modules not installed on the live cd that i think it may solve
[09:56] <bertultra> Hello and good evening. I tried to boot with kernel -15. It still stops booting even in safe mode after initializing the network sky2 driver. Do someone knows about that?
[09:56] <kapputu> I don't need write permissions. Just wanted to read from a NTFS Windows share
[09:56] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: but it mentions ltmodem, not martian, dunno why, i think martian is the better driver
[09:56] <zaggynl> !ntfs > kapputu
[09:56] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: can't help it. softmodem transfer half the functionality to software so they are technically not modems. I don't think the situation will ever improve.
[09:56] <zaggynl> also, try places->connect to server
[09:56] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: if i'm correct, ltmodem are NOT for softmodems
[09:57] <kapputu> zaggynl: I can see my Windows partitions. The NTFS partition I'm referring to is on another machine
[09:57] <kapputu> a Windows machine to be precise
[09:57] <shirish> RenatoSilva: many of the yesteryear modems didn't have buffers & hence as slytherin siad
[09:57] <zaggynl> kapputu, try, Places->Connect to server->service type: windows share
[09:57] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: My head is heavy so I have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry, but it is past midnight here and I have to go to office in morning. :-)
[09:58] <slytherin> kapputu: didn't you have read permission already?
[09:58] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: i'm giving a damm about the technical point, as all the millions potential users here, i just want to connect to the internet without having to write modules to the kernel
[09:58] <kapputu> slytherin: nope
[09:58] <kapputu> Can only see the top-level folders
[09:59] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: ltmodem is a driver for hard modems
[09:59] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: martian is a driver for soft ones, and i'm using it now
[09:59] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: yes you are right. I think some user from brazil had mentioned this earlier. I think as a user all you can do is persuade the modem vendor to release open drivers.
[09:59] <xtknight> hey shirish.  i'm working on the SMB page now
[09:59] <slytherin> kapputu: some authentication problem then.
[10:00] <shirish> xtknight: cool, that would be one less thing for people to manage then :)
[10:00] <kapputu> ok, this is a little stupid. If I have 10 top-level folders inside my partition, I need to individually share all of them to read them
[10:00] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: wrong, there's another thing can be done
[10:00] <gemidjy> what would Feisty CD cover look like?
[10:01] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: take a look: Feisty is featuring now with restricted drivers support (with advertisement) direct from default installation, right?
[10:01] <shirish> gemidjy: better than what it looked before ;)
[10:01] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: hey then you need to file a bug and hope that it will be fixed in Gutsy :-D
[10:02] <shirish> RenatoSilva: slyterin is just a user just like all of us
[10:02] <RenatoSilva> slytherin: so I ask: why did no they included martian non-totally-free softmodem driver into repositories, AS THE WIKI HAD PROMISSED
[10:03] <slytherin> RenatoSilva: I have no idea. I am not a developer. Sorry.
[10:03] <crimsun> RenatoSilva: err, where did who promise what?
[10:03] <ryanakca> how do I fix this? http://pastebin.ca/441633 ... delete some old kernels?
[10:04] <RenatoSilva> shirish: i'm talking with all of you
[10:04] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: some wiki page for installing of ltmodem driver onto Edgy says:
[10:05] <shirish> RenatoSilva: I have no idea, we all have issues, unless u do not file the bug for it, maybe write a use case for it, how will people come to know
[10:05] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: "the next release feisty will include  a martian package"
[10:06] <RenatoSilva> shirish: i'm not "brigando" with you, only talking
[10:06] <RenatoSilva> shirish: i'm thinking now to open a bug in launcpad, what do you think?
[10:06] <crimsun> RenatoSilva: url?
[10:06] <shirish> RenatoSilva: sure go ahead
[10:06] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: i'm googling
[10:07] <RenatoSilva> shirish: i'm just afraid because launchpad doesn't look easy
[10:07] <DarkSpirit> How can I install Firestarter ?
[10:07] <shirish> RenatoSilva: don't worry we all make mistakes the first time, over time you will see how to work it
[10:07] <DarkSpirit> Nevermind
[10:08] <shirish> RenatoSilva: there is also a pdf somewhere which does tell how to work with launchpad
[10:08] <RenatoSilva> shirish: thanks
[10:08] <shirish> RenatoSilva: search for Launchpad 1.0 Feature Highlights type:pdf in google
[10:09] <DarkSpirit> What about an antivirus ?
[10:09] <DarkSpirit> No need really
[10:10] <RenatoSilva> shirish: http://martian.barrelsoutofbond.org/
[10:10] <RenatoSilva> shirish: the martian modem driver homepage
[10:10] <ryanakca> DarkSpirit: clamav is probably what you want... but you probably won't need it. I've survived 2-3 years on linux without one...
[10:11] <shirish> RenatoSilva: what I would suggest, is reading the launchpad bug .pdf writing a pdf & giving them the details about the martian thing, give a use-case if u want to, it would be fixed by Gutsy (Feisty+1) for sure. There is also possibility that somebody might have filed about it, search for it in launchpad.net
[10:11] <crimsun> RenatoSilva: I need to see the specification page where "support was promised"
[10:12] <assasukasse> is there someone that used the cbq.init script package?
[10:12] <ratshell> Hey could someone help me I just upgraded and now my nvidia driver doesn't work.?
[10:13] <DarkSpirit> Quicktime ?
[10:13] <DreamThief> ratshell, well, its a bug
[10:13] <DreamThief> ^^
[10:13] <Ramunas> ratshell: do you have linux-restricted-modules installed for your kernel version?
[10:13] <ratshell> Do you know how I can install my Nvidia beta drivers.?
[10:13] <DreamThief> try to boot an ader kernel
[10:13] <ratshell> Did that to
[10:13] <DreamThief> older
[10:13] <ratshell> same kernel
[10:13] <DreamThief> mh
[10:13] <Ramunas> anybody experiencing crashes with -15 kernel?
[10:13] <DreamThief> an older kernel works for me
[10:14] <misfit_toy> is there a good ebook reader for linux?
[10:14] <ratshell> yeah but the kernel I am on now. Is the same kernel I was on in edgy
[10:14] <Ramunas> my PC froze overa few times already, even caps lock key on the keyboard wast reacting
[10:14] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: i've found!
[10:14] <DreamThief> in 2.6.20-15.25 and its restricted modules nvidia is broken, at least for me
[10:14] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Lucent
[10:14] <shirish> ok guys night out
[10:14] <DreamThief> no matter if I use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new
[10:15] <DarkSpirit> Cool mplayer can play it :D
[10:15] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: "Hopefully "Martian" will become an offical Ubuntu package to make this whole process easier." at the end
[10:15] <Arwen> eh?
[10:15] <Arwen> !martian
[10:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about martian - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:16] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: did you see?
[10:16] <DreamThief> wow, there's a new kernel in the repos
[10:16] <DreamThief> *upgrade*
[10:16] <ryanakca> RenatoSilva: "Hopefully" != promised
[10:16] <Arwen> DreamThief, lol, there's a new kernel every day...
[10:16] <crimsun> RenatoSilva: that wiki page is not associated with a Launchpad specification. Where do you see any sort of promise that martian will ship with Feisty?
[10:16] <Arwen> in fact, with the quality of the recent kernel releases, I'm scared to upgrade..
[10:17] <RenatoSilva> Arwen: http://martian.barrelsoutofbond.org/
[10:17] <ratshell> hey dreamthief, how do I downgrade kernel?
[10:17] <Arwen> lol @ winmodem
[10:17] <Arwen> ratshell, with apt
[10:17] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: if it's not Feisty so it's what? Zausty???
[10:17] <ratshell> more detail please?
[10:17] <DreamThief> Arwen, well, the last days my nvidia_sata driver didnt want to initialize my controller
[10:17] <Arwen> DreamThief, nvidia motherboard = fail
[10:18] <Arwen> :-)
[10:18] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: a FALSE information on a wiki, that's bad!!!
[10:18] <DarkSpirit> I got MPlayer but when i try to play anthing I get MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module unknown
[10:18] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: or at least non-precise
[10:18] <crimsun> RenatoSilva: that wiki page you read was written by a community member. That's precisely what can happen on a wiki.
[10:18] <DreamThief> then I got a new kernel, my sata disks just worked flawlessly ... but then my nvidia-card stopped working
[10:18] <crimsun> RenatoSilva: Don't assume that just because it's on a wiki page that it's infallible.
[10:19] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: and sorry for all the isers which bleieve in that, simple don't??
[10:19] <crimsun> RenatoSilva: it's a wiki page, not a Launchpad specification. We work with specifications, not random wiki pages.
[10:19] <DarkSpirit> I know I am been a Newbie, but I have done a lot of other stuff my linux install by myself and Google
[10:19] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: that is, wiki is a jungle, like wikipedia, ald i have to say tho the millions of people here:
[10:20] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: don't trust in wiki
[10:20] <crimsun> RenatoSilva: /anyone/ can make a wiki page. Just because you make a wiki page does not mean it will happen for a Ubuntu release.
[10:21] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: on official wiki pages should exist a geart advertisement about that the information in it is not official documentation of cannonical or official developers so that it can be broken
[10:22] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: towsonu2003 is the hell lier :D
[10:23] <crimsun> RenatoSilva: official documentation resides on help.ubuntu.com
[10:23] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: there's a package on edgy repository
[10:24] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: linux-restricted-modules, see in synaptic, it mentions ltmodem
[10:24] <TheVault> I have just a quick question. Has Firefox been crashing and freezing up more in feisty?
[10:24] <crimsun> TheVault: not for me.
[10:25] <kapputu> is there any ftp app that supports samba?
[10:25] <crdlb> kapputu, nautilus?
[10:25] <TheVault> For some reason, its happening alot to me. I could be browsing in one tab, but then in another tab, I have a video loading up. once video is done loading up, ill watch it, then when I close tab, firefox freezes
[10:25] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: the weird thing on feisty is that if i want to connect the modem, then i have no connection, so how to download the driver through a conn i do not have so that i can, humm, connect? :D
[10:25] <DarkSpirit> I remember there was a Comic Reader for Ubuntu anyoen know what it is called
[10:25] <crdlb> TheVault, is this a flash video?
[10:26] <kapputu> nautilus has ftp support built in?
[10:26] <TheVault> crdlb: Yeah sometimes
[10:26] <crdlb> kapputu, yep
[10:26] <kapputu> I need to upload files that are on a mounted Samba share
[10:26] <TheVault> But then I could be just browsing with a few differ tabs open and It will just hang, then when I click the close button, firefox turns all black, I click again and it says force quit
[10:26] <crdlb> kapputu, just "connect to server"
[10:27] <TheVault> This keeps happening more and more for some reason
[10:28] <kapputu> crdlb: even better, I used ftp://<addr>
[10:28] <kapputu> freakin awesome
[10:29] <kapputu> productivity skyrockets
[10:30] <DarkSpirit> The Programs that I need are "Comic Book Reader" "XviD to VOB Converter" "Download Manager" "Mass File Renamer" "PC Alarm Clock" "Recovery" software
[10:30] <DarkSpirit> Anyone know where I can get htem ?
[10:32] <DarkSpirit> and a CD Burning software
[10:33] <dhgwill> i've installed feisty on a partition on an external hard drive, and i need a bit of help getting it to boot on a mac mini running refit...
[10:33] <dhgwill> refit clearly recognizes it, although i'm not sure it's recognizing it correctly...
[10:36] <x2Fusion> Download today, http://beam.to/picy
[10:36] <zaggynl> lmao
[10:36] <zaggynl> an exe file!
[10:36] <Arwen> !compile
[10:36] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:37] <Ayabara> Hi. Anyone got Picasa 2.6 + Wine working in Feisty?
[10:37] <lolman> Said exe file has a windows virus in it...LOL
[10:39] <dhgwill> does anybody here have experience with running ubuntu on a mac mini?
[10:39] <dhgwill> it's kind of a specific issue, i guess, but it's bugging me no end.
[10:40] <Arwen> Mac mini = fail... but what's the issue?
[10:40] <dhgwill> i'm trying to talk my fiancee into switching to ubuntu forever and ever.
[10:40] <dhgwill> she already uses it on my laptop
[10:40] <Arwen> Ayabara, picassa has a pseudo-native version...
[10:41] <Arwen> http://beam.to/picy - that guy who linked to this earlier... wonder what the .exe does...
[10:41] <dhgwill> i'm trying to dual boot on her mac mini...
[10:41] <dhgwill> i've got refit running fine, and i've installed feisty on a partition on an external hard drive
[10:41] <Ayabara> Arwen, I know, but that's version 2.2. The windows version (2.6) has quite a few improvements
[10:41] <dhgwill> refit seems to recognize the partition (although it has incorrectly labled it as on the internal hard drive)
[10:41] <Arwen> Ayabara, try? lo
[10:41] <dhgwill> but when i go to boot, it doesn't work at all... nothing happens. do i need to install grub or something on the external hard drive?
[10:42] <lolman> Arwen, some sort of DCOM exploit
[10:42] <Arwen> lolman, huh, I ran it in wine, would that do anything bad?
[10:42] <lolman> I'll check ;)
[10:42] <dhgwill> refit is an open source boot utility for the mac efi (bios equivalent?), i think, more or less...
[10:43] <Arwen> lolman, yeah, just exited with no output for me
[10:43] <Arwen> dhgwill, uh... dunno then, I just know that Mac = fail :-\
[10:43] <Arwen> any reason you're not using bootcamp?
[10:44] <lolman> Arwen, http://www.viruslist.com/en/viruses/encyclopedia?virusid=53149
[10:44] <dhgwill> i tried to, but it wasn't really working for some reason.
[10:44] <dhgwill> and i'd rather not partition her hard drive.
[10:44] <dhgwill> (she's pretty protective of her computer)
[10:44] <Ayabara> Arwen, que?
[10:44] <dhgwill> which is understandable, around me...
[10:44] <Arwen> Ayabara, eh?
[10:44] <lolman> Bootcamp only works with WindowsXP/Vista, right?
[10:45] <Arwen> duno
[10:45] <Arwen> lolman, I just noticed that the dcom virus ate up 100% cpu :-\
[10:45] <Arwen> killing wineserver fixed that though
[10:45] <lolman> Arwen, yuck, probably listening on port 135
[10:45] <dhgwill> well, bootcamp should in theory work with ubuntu... there are directions on the wiki...
[10:45] <lolman> And then stopping PC from doing other stuff :P
[10:45] <Arwen> lolman, hmm
[10:46] <Arwen> lolman, ah well, simple as deleting .wine/drive_c and starting over :-)
[10:46] <lolman> Indeed :)
[10:46] <Ayabara> Arwen, you said "try? lo". I didn't get that :-)
[10:46] <Arwen> Ayabara, you asked about Picasa
[10:46] <lolman> For me it was as simple as "clamscan /home/john/Desktop/untitled.exe"
[10:47] <Arwen> lolman, huh... I shoulda done that...
[10:47] <lolman> Oh and when that picked it up... cat /dev/urandom > /home/john/Desktop/untitled.exe
[10:47] <lolman> :P
[10:48] <Arwen> lolman, hmm, I still have untitled.exe I think, I'll use clamscan in wine :-)
[10:48] <lolman> lol
[10:49] <zaggynl> clamscan eh
[10:49] <Ayabara> Arwen, yep. just didn't understand what you meant. found instructions that made it work though :-)
[10:49] <lolman> zaggynl, yeah
[10:49] <Arwen> Ayabara, hehe
[10:49] <zaggynl> I use that on windows sometimes for individual files, but it's slow :(
[10:49] <zaggynl> Arwen, manage images
[10:49] <Arwen> hmm
[10:50] <zaggynl> Try it :P
[10:50] <lolman> zaggynl, not found anything better for Linux yet, and since I use Windows as well it's needed
[10:50] <zaggynl> I wonder what will happen when I run the exe with wine..
[10:51] <lolman> zaggynl, the one that guy pasted?
[10:51] <Arwen> zaggynl, it'll eat 100% of your cpu and start "explorer.exe" and "jdfdsfwe.exe"
[10:51] <zaggynl> lol
[10:52] <Ayabara> I tried out digikam, and I think it is better than Picasa. It's just that for a novice like me, Picasa keeps it on a need to know basis, and does exactly the things I need :-)
[10:55] <Arwen> wow, Picasa sucks...
[10:56] <Ayabara> Arwen, hehe
[10:57] <Arwen> f-spot works for me :-\
[10:57] <t0ms> Hi, I'm running feisty beta, is there an easy way to see how is set up my partition table?
[10:58] <Adri2000> t0ms: sudo fdisk -l
[10:58] <t0ms> thx!
[10:58] <eTiger13> can anyone help me with my install? on my first boot, the resolution is wrong. How can I change my resolution so I can actually use my install?
[10:58] <Arwen> eTiger13, system -> prefs -> screen resolution?
[10:58] <Ayabara> in f-spot I miss the options to see the folder structure and to write iptc captions
[10:58] <Arwen> also, check that your display driver is working
[10:58] <Ayabara> well. enough off topic for now
[10:58] <Arwen> Ayabara, meh, long as I can see my pictures :-\
[10:58] <Hansel> eTiger13 push CTRL ALT F2 and edit /etc/X/xorg.conf (need to use sudo)
[10:59] <eTiger13> can i do that at the login screen? i can type my username and password but cant see what is on the screen after that
[10:59] <Arwen> eTiger13, hmm, nope
[11:00] <Arwen> eTiger13, then you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf from a command line
[11:00] <Arwen> "sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[11:00] <DigitalNinja> Is anything new going into Feisty on April 19?
[11:01] <eTiger13> whats the key to boot into command line mode bypassing the gui?
[11:01] <DigitalNinja> I got the ISO on the 31 of March
[11:01] <eTiger13> sorry. im still very new to linux.
[11:01] <tapas> i reckon i hit a bad kernel package when apt-get upgrading this afternoon?
[11:01] <tapas> [as i see there's a new package already] 
[11:01] <zaggynl> Is there a command to reload the gnome menu? I'm looking for the gnome-netstat-applet, I can't find a way to launch it
[11:01] <zaggynl> I tried both the menu and the terminal
[11:01] <Arwen> eTiger13, hit "ctrl + alt + f1" at the login screen
[11:01] <tapas> [and as my sytem is right now, totally hosed ;)] 
[11:02] <Arwen> zaggynl, "killall gnome-panel"
[11:02] <zaggynl> hum, drastic
[11:02] <Arwen> it works
[11:02] <zaggynl> If I lose my tray icons, I'll kill ya :P
[11:02] <Hansel> eTiger - you can edit your config files (somewhere in /etc/init.d) and change the init from 6 (I think that is it anyhow - multiuser gui mode) to 1.
[11:02] <Hansel> eTiger - to get back to multiuser mode with GUI you would need to revert the setting later
[11:02] <tapas> can gnome or kde give me panels per desktop?
[11:03] <lolman> init 5 is GUI etc
[11:03] <lolman> 6 is reboot
[11:03] <Hansel> ah  ;)
[11:03] <Hansel> I forget all the number assignments
[11:03] <Arwen> one of the inits is read-only mount..
[11:03] <zaggynl> hmm, still no gnome-netstat-applet
[11:03] <tapas> in ubuntu init 2 is the normal modus operandi
[11:03] <zaggynl> can't find a binary for it either
[11:03] <tapas> afaik
[11:03] <zaggynl> just something in a /lib dir
[11:03] <DigitalNinja> lolman: I thought run levels 2-5 are the same?
[11:03] <lolman> Shall check :)
[11:03] <Hansel> DigitalNinja as far as I remember some were single/multi user mode and some were CLI/GUI.
[11:04] <sgomes> hello everyone! I'm getting random X crashes, is there any way I can diagnose this? I'm using the latest kernel and nvidia restricted drivers (I've got a 6800 running on an nForce2 mobo)
[11:04] <DigitalNinja> Hansel: 1 is single user
[11:04] <tapas> sgomes: does the log show you anything?
[11:04] <DigitalNinja> Hansel: 6 is reboot and the rest are all the same I think
[11:04] <sgomes> tapas: you mean /var/log/Xorg.log? nope, just startup stuff
[11:05] <Hansel> http://www.networkclue.com/os/Linux/run-levels.aspx  <--- explains the runlevels  :)
[11:05] <DigitalNinja> Some Linux distributions have different settings for run levels
[11:05] <tapas> sgomes: hmm, with a closed source driver it's really ifficult
[11:05] <tapas> sgomes: i suppose you could check the nvidia forums
[11:05] <DigitalNinja> Hansel: That may not show the settings for Ubuntu
[11:06] <lolman> 2-5 are indeed the same in Ubuntu
[11:06] <sgomes> tapas: so there are no other logs anywhere?
[11:06] <Hansel> DigitalNinja  - you are right... wikipedia indicates debian based linuxes dont distinguish between 2-5  :)
[11:06] <DigitalNinja> That's what I thought
[11:06] <Hansel> Learn something every day
[11:06] <tapas> sgomes: not really. afaik
[11:06] <arthur> Hi there everybody. Could anyone please tell me how to enable a crash log in order to investigate some crash details?
[11:06] <DigitalNinja> Hansel: I thought this was a Ubuntu thing but a Debain guy I know said it's a Debian thing
[11:06] <tapas> sgomes: you could maybe strace X but i doubt you'll find anythjing useful..
[11:07] <DigitalNinja> I learned something
[11:07] <tapas> sgomes: random crashes could be anything
[11:07] <sgomes> tapas: drat :-/ thanks, though
[11:07] <tapas> reboot [new kernel - hope the system will work again after this :)] 
[11:07] <Hansel> sgomes - you can install and use strace to attempt to track down problems with crashes...
[11:07] <Hansel> strace gaim  <---  for example
[11:07] <Hansel> strace = system trace = gives tons of info about what causes crashes
[11:08] <arthur> Hansel, the problem is specific to Skype
[11:08] <sgomes> ah, so I'll have to skip the xdm startup and start X directly?
[11:08] <arthur> Hansel, Whenever I start skype Feisty crashes solid
[11:08] <Hansel> arthur - apt-get install or from source?
[11:09] <lolman> Hansel, Skype? Open Source? That'll never happen
[11:09] <Hansel> hah... not familiar with it.  :(
[11:09] <arthur> Hansel, :D
[11:10] <ratshell> Hey is anyone here had any luck nvidia drivers feisty?
[11:10] <arthur> Anyway, the problem seems to be related to my WiFi module
[11:10] <arthur> If I enable the rtl module and start skype it freezes solid
[11:10] <t0ms> Anyone knows if there is a guide somewhere I could follow which explains how to resize a root ext3 partition?
[11:10] <Arwen> how do I check my current version of Ubuntu?
[11:10] <crimsun> lsb_release -a
[11:10] <tapas> it works again, yay
[11:10] <arthur> Would like to investigate a little more the causes
[11:12] <Arwen> crimsun, thanks
[11:12] <zaggynl> !usenet
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usenet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:15] <eTiger13> what do i edit again to change my screen resolution while at a command prompt?
[11:17] <Arwen> eTiger13, by editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:18] <eTiger13> its not supposed to be empty right?
[11:18] <eTiger13> nevermind. didnt cap the X11
[11:19] <linux_kid> How do I change to Ubuntu loading Splash back to default? (the splash after GRUB...)
[11:22] <Xteven> does the feisty network "manager" have vpn support ?
[11:24] <Xteven> ooooooooh
[11:24] <Xteven> vpnc integrates with the network manager :)
[11:24] <Xteven> damn, I love feisty already
[11:27] <peter77> is it safe to upgrade ubuntu today?
[11:27] <lolman> Yep :)
[11:27] <t0ms> yes
[11:28] <peter77> I want to know why a beta OS is more stable than an OS which has been officially released?
[11:29] <arejay> bug fixes ?
[11:29] <arejay> debian etch is rold solid, it's also been "unstable" for a really long time.
[11:30] <peter77> my secondary OS has been out for 5 years and ubuntu fiesty runs a lot better
[11:30] <lolman> My secondary OS has been out for -2 weeks
[11:31] <peter77> by stable I mean "works most of the time"
[11:31] <peter77> what's your secondary OS?
[11:31] <lolman> Feisty :P (Not officially released yet)
[11:32] <ooglaboogla> i want to install ubuntu with encrypted partitions, anyone know of a good howto for this
[11:32] <ooglaboogla> i'm using a feisty live cd
[11:32] <peter77> lolman, windows XP
[11:33] <lolman> peter77, actually, having said what I said, Feisty is quickly replacing XP as my primary
[11:34] <lolman> Extremely impressed with it
[11:34] <Crazytom>  Release date is the week of April 19 is in the topic but does anyone know what day?
[11:34] <peter77> I have XP on both my computers, but on both it's secondary/ games OS
[11:34] <lolman> peter77, exactly what it's becoming here
[11:34] <lolman> And then only 1 game needs XP
[11:34] <lolman> The rest run decently in WINE
[11:35] <t0ms> Crazytom: should be on the 19th, but devs have been talking about maybe delaying it a couple of days.
[11:35] <Crazytom> darn
[11:35] <lolman> If there's another naff kernel before the freeze they'll have to
[11:36] <peter77> lolman, how is wine for running games?
[11:36] <lolman> peter77, improving, but not there yet
[11:37] <lolman> FPS losses vs Windows are a matter of course...can't avoid them
[11:37] <lolman> Even in OpenGL apps
[11:37] <ooglaboogla> anyone know how to install ubuntu and use encrypted partitions
[11:37] <ooglaboogla> not having any luck with google
[11:38] <jmhodges> rargh. what comes after nautilus in the GNOME boot sequence?
[11:40] <kofler> How would I prevent a program from starting up at boot?
[11:40] <kofler> Like lighttpd starts up at boot and I don't want it to start until certain drives are mounted.
[11:40] <peter77> lolman, I think I'll stick to using windows for windows programs
[11:41] <Arwen> hehe
[11:41] <Arwen> you know, UT, Doom, and Quake have Linux versions :-)
[11:41] <lolman> peter77, a good idea :)
[11:42] <lolman> Arwen, yep, and I use the Linux ports of UT, Doom 3 and UT2004
[11:42] <Arwen> I think WoW has a linux client too :-\
[11:42] <Arwen> somewhere... not on Blizzard's page..
[11:42] <peter77> I've tried Second Life in linux
[11:42] <kofler> Anyone?
[11:42] <lolman> I'm in Second Life in Linux now
[11:42] <jmhodges> anyone here able to read valgrind output?  a lot of my gnome apps are segfautling after the latest release (yes with the new kernel)
[11:42] <peter77> the windows client is better :-(
[11:43] <peter77> whats your name in SL
[11:43] <kofler> jmhodges: Run valgrind with -vvv. That should help you out a bit. I'm sort of pressed for time right now so that's all I can offer.
[11:43] <peter77> I'm Joseph Rustamova
[11:43] <lolman> Reckon I'm gonna tell you that? :P
[11:44] <greg_g> any ideas on tiff images support in Firefox??  Trying to view a patent image from www.uspto.gov but Firefox says it is missing a plugin, but it doesn't know what plugin (it is a tiff) and I searched mozilla add-ons for tiff but there isn't anything there
[11:44] <peter77> lol
[11:44] <jmhodges> kofler: okay, i'll try that. its just that the program doesnt segfault when run with valgrind, so i'm not sure what the problem is
[11:44] <jmhodges> ah.. valgrind doesn't have a -vvv .. just a -v
[11:44] <jmhodges> hmm
[11:45] <jmhodges> ahh.. perhaps -v -v -v
[11:47] <eTiger13> anyone know how i can get my screen resolution to change? it boots to the login screen, but i can only see half of it and the half i do see looks like 4 bit color and is all distorted.
[11:48] <jmhodges> welp, that didn't really help
[11:48] <jmhodges> it still didnt error out.. the valgrind out is here: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7335078/valgrind-vvv.txt
[11:48] <jmhodges> kofler: if you're ever not pressed for time ^
[11:49] <jmhodges> a lot of the "Invalid read"s seem to be going from within pango_itemize_with_base_dir
[11:50] <jmhodges> in pango-basic-fc.so.. which is the last library that gets opened up before gnome-keybindings-properties segfaults on its own
[11:51] <jmhodges> hmm.. guess i get to learn some c
[11:51] <jmhodges> brb
[11:51] <kofler> How would I prevent a program from starting up at boot?
[11:51] <kofler> Like lighttpd starts up at boot and I don't want it to start until certain drives are mounted.
[11:53] <AmyRose> kofler: Delete the Sxxlighttpd symlink from /etc/rc2.d, I believe. "xx" should be a two-digit number.
[11:53] <InnerFIRE> can someone help me with democracyplay or tell me how to add channels to penguintv
[11:54] <kofler> AmyRose: Is there a more upstart-y or update-rc.d-y way of doing that?
[11:55] <kofler> AmyRose: I'm not sure I'm supposed to be deleting symlinks in /etc/rc*
[11:56] <lupine_85> you're fine to
[11:59] <BluesKaj> eTiger13, what graphics card are you running
[11:59] <eTiger13> intel 945GM express laptop integrated card
[12:00] <AmyRose> kofler: update-rc.d -f lighttpd remove ?
[12:00] <AmyRose> kofler: uh, insert a sudo at the beginning :P
[12:02] <hooray> what does program state z mean under processes, nvidia-settings is z, is that right?, been messing with xinitrc...
[12:02] <Xteven> Z means zombie
[12:02] <jpsamara> Any estimates on the feisty release
[12:03] <BluesKaj> eTiger13, can you do "sudo apt-get install 915resolution"  in the terminal or at the tty prompt?
[12:03] <kofler> AmyRose: Thanks, that works.
[12:03] <Xteven> it means that the process finished and is waiting to be "collected" by the parent process
[12:03] <Xteven> i.e. it's exit status read out
[12:04] <askar> direct rendering: No
[12:04] <askar> Earlier it was Yes
[12:04] <askar> I did someting bad in xconffiguration I think
[12:04] <askar> what could I have done?
[12:04] <hooray> so should it be removed?
[12:05] <eTiger13> BluesKaj, I looked on the net for a bit and found something. if I plug in a monitor to my laptop, then I get ubuntu to start up and the screen is perfect
[12:06] <[miles] >  /who freenode/staff/*
[12:06] <[miles] > jenda: hi are you there please?
[12:07] <eTiger13> whats the key combo to shutdown linux while in gui? I cant use my mouse.
[12:07] <[miles] > eTiger13: you could do CTRL ALT and F1
[12:08] <[miles] > eTiger13: to goto a terminal
[12:08] <[miles] > eTiger13: login and shut down from there
[12:08] <hooray> why isnt it going away...my xinit script is to load oced nvidia-settings upon reboot goes like "nvidia-settings --config=/home/.my-nvidia-settings-rc --load-config-only &"
[12:08] <hooray> ya id like keycombo to shutdown or hibernate to
[12:09] <askar> I get "direct rendering: No" now, before it was "Yes"..
[12:09] <askar> I may have done something to the xorgfile..
[12:09] <askar> What could be wrong?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> eTiger13, i would still install the 915resolution utility , it's supposed to fix the intel driver problem enuff for you to use the screen to find the proper drivers on the net
[12:09] <hooray> ive tried keyboard shortcuts but they dont work for shutdown
[12:10] <hooray> sudo shutdown -r or even keyboard shortcut for sudo thunar
[12:10] <bill_k> can anyone help out a bit with booting (broke grub)
[12:10] <eTiger13> BluesKaj, I think i fixed the screen issue, now its an even simpler mouse issue. my mouse doesnt work. im running xp, using virtual PC to run fiesty.
[12:11] <[miles] > any freenode staff available please?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> eTiger13, ok, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg " to fix and set the mouse problem as well
[12:11] <ikonia> [miles] : do you need staff, or just help with something ?
[12:12] <bricas> is there a computertemp applet (or similar) available for feisty?
[12:12] <[miles] > hello ikonia staff
[12:13] <ikonia> [miles] : try tapthru
[12:13] <[miles] > ok thanks ikonia
[12:13] <bill_k> well anyways, here's my copy-pasted issue i'm trying to get help with, anyone with ideas please share
[12:13] <bill_k> Need help with grub conf.  (installed vista over xp+ubuntu), now i only see vista bootloader which gives me option of xp or vista.  currently booted to live-cd now, tried "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" and got "cannot find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device"
[12:13] <[miles] > ikonia: nick or channel?
[12:13] <ikonia> channel
[12:14] <[miles] > ok thanks
[12:16] <Woody_> I installed Ubuntu Fiesty Fawn, and then I installed the driver of nVidia. The next time i booted, it gave me a black screen with a "drum" sound. and nothing happened then
[12:17] <Woody_> help please
[12:18] <eTiger13> BluesKaj i tried the apt-get for the 915 but it says invalid operation.
[12:19] <eTiger13> BluesKaj, let me try something
[12:22] <jpsamara> With the delay of the RC isos, will Feisty final be delayed
[12:22] <Crazytom> how long?
[12:23] <jpsamara> ?
[12:23] <Woody_> i think jpsamara is asking a question without the "question mark"
[12:23] <Crazytom> oh
[12:23] <misfit_toy> the only remaining thing I have in feisty (for today anyway) is that the multimedia keys at the top of my keyboard don't all work as shortcuts when defined in gnome, any ideas out there?
[12:23] <mon^rch> beryl should double the frames it takes to switch desktops with the cube, it's too fast
[12:23] <ghostdog> getting a bad syntax from hci.conf from bluez
[12:23] <ghostdog> passkey 1234; is not a correct syntax
[12:23] <Woody_> I installed Ubuntu Fiesty Fawn, and then I installed the driver of nVidia. The next time i booted, it gave me a black screen with a "drum" sound. and nothing happened then. :(
[12:24] <ghostdog> anyone know the correct one?
[12:24] <ghostdog> hcid.conf*
[12:24] <misfit_toy> Woody_, type "uname -r" in a term