| jdong | beagle :) | 12:11 |
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| bluefoxicy | I don't have it installed. | 12:11 |
| bluefoxicy | jdong: any profiling tools that can tell me what's touching disk? | 12:11 |
| jdong | yeah there are... can't think of the one off the top of my head | 12:12 |
| jdong | laptop-mode's profiler | 12:12 |
| jdong | whatever it's called | 12:12 |
| jdong | lm-profiler | 12:12 |
| jdong | :) | 12:12 |
| bluefoxicy | ah | 12:12 |
| bluefoxicy | uh oh | 12:13 |
| === bluefoxicy just turned his hard drive off :) | ||
| jdong | LOL | 12:13 |
| bluefoxicy | /dev/sda: | 12:13 |
| bluefoxicy | issuing sleep command | 12:13 |
| jdong | bluefoxicy: I've accidently unplugged a USB external holding some swap... | 12:13 |
| jdong | oops. | 12:13 |
| bluefoxicy | I heard a distinct "CLICK" | 12:13 |
| === bluefoxicy should hdparm -y, not -Y | ||
| bluefoxicy | how ironic, it spins right back up :/ | 12:14 |
| bluefoxicy | jdong: I'm quite interested in actually getting the hard drive to spin down after a few minutes. This would, in theory, allow the motor to not constantly run and thus not burn out x.x | 12:15 |
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| jdong | bluefoxicy: spindowns are worse for it | 12:15 |
| jdong | bluefoxicy: they have much more limited spindown cycles than continuous-operation hours | 12:15 |
| jdong | and spindown is pretty useless without something like laptop-mode nicely tuned | 12:15 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 12:15 |
| bluefoxicy | jdong: oh. I have a server behind me that usually doesn't get touched | 12:15 |
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| jdong | bluefoxicy: still cron would wake it up at least once per day | 12:16 |
| jdong | and syslog writes sync too | 12:16 |
| bluefoxicy | nods | 12:16 |
| jdong | you still will lose in the end :( | 12:16 |
| jdong | the only exception I'd make is for an external that is torqued around a lot during operation | 12:16 |
| jdong | spinning it down while not in use can be a major lifesaver | 12:17 |
| popey | \o/ xcursor-themes | 12:17 |
| jdong | (like an ipod sized HD) | 12:17 |
| bluefoxicy | jdong: sounds like hybrid flash/hard drives will be a boon for drive lifetime | 12:17 |
| jdong | if done right, yeah | 12:17 |
| bluefoxicy | if they let you keep like a 4 gigabyte journal on there ;) | 12:17 |
| jdong | LOL | 12:17 |
| jdong | haha | 12:17 |
| bluefoxicy | and then flush it to disk in one run | 12:17 |
| jdong | yes | 12:18 |
| jdong | and if they can use fuzzy logic to figure out what to prefetch... | 12:18 |
| jdong | and also telepathic anticipation | 12:18 |
| jdong | :) | 12:18 |
| bluefoxicy | (a 4 gig flash drive costs like $50 on Newegg... in a year that'll equate to maybe $10 more cost added to making a hard drive with 4G flash on it | 12:18 |
| bluefoxicy | yeah, split it between repeatedly read sectors and a mirror of sectors that have been written | 12:18 |
| bluefoxicy | and when you spin the drive up, flush the sector-write cache to disk and adjust the sector-read cache as needed; then after several minutes (20-30?) of not actually needed the disk (just the flash area), spin the drive back down | 12:19 |
| bluefoxicy | If it works out right, normal usage, syslog, cronjobs that don't run shit like updatedb (which I've now killed off), xchat/gaim logs, etc, should reside mainly on flash | 12:20 |
| bluefoxicy | along with boot time libraries and libc and stuff (woot, no spin-up during boot) | 12:21 |
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| bluefoxicy | so playing movies and music and games would kick the drive up and nothing else should in theory :) | 12:21 |
| === bluefoxicy likes to juggle theoretical rhetoric, things that will never really happen... | ||
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| bluefoxicy | hybrid drives will probably die out | 12:22 |
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| dthacker | are there daily images being created for edubuntu and kubuntu at this stage of the release process? | 12:34 |
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| Riddell | dthacker: no, it's manually controlled now | 12:35 |
| dthacker | Riddell: tnx, watching and learning for next cycle | 12:36 |
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| bo1 | hello | 12:58 |
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| lucidsmog | I haven't been able to find this information, but are the actual source packages that you apply to your official builds available somewhere? | 03:10 |
| lucidsmog | source patches, rather | 03:11 |
| poningru | lucidsmog: just do apt-get source packagename | 03:18 |
| poningru | and the orig.tar.gz is the original | 03:18 |
| poningru | and there is another that is the patch | 03:18 |
| lucidsmog | poningru: Oh, that's good to know! To tell you the truth I'm not really an Ubuntu user, but googling around for some things that were annoying me about Firefox lead me to a "launchpad" website about Ubuntu talking about some patches against Firefox for tighter GNOME integration, I just couldn't find the patches. | 03:19 |
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| poningru | lucidsmog: per mofo agreement there isnt anything that isnt changed without mofo approval | 03:24 |
| crimsun | lucidsmog: download the source package for firefox (orig.tar.gz+diff.gz+dsc), extract it, and see what's packaged in firefox-gnome-support | 03:28 |
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| lucidsmog | crimsun: firefox-gnome-support (at least at packages.ubuntu.com, which I just found) links back to the firefox sources, which look to be the stock ones to begin with, as far as I can tell. | 03:34 |
| crimsun | lucidsmog: that's correct; firefox source generates that binary. | 03:40 |
| crimsun | lucidsmog: if you'll inspect what is distributed in the diff.gz, you'll see what becomes firefox-gnome-support. | 03:41 |
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| sudo | http://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1 | 05:23 |
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| orangey | Hey all! | 06:02 |
| orangey | I'm having a problem here.. When I am trying to compile a kernel package which is older (-10), I get "Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated" | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | orangey: please read the /topic | 06:03 |
| orangey | Hobbsee: I'm thoroughly confused where I belong, then. | 06:04 |
| orangey | #ubuntu? | 06:04 |
| orangey | #ubuntu-kernel? | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | orangey: #ubuntu+1 for feisty, #ubuntu for dapper/edgy support | 06:05 |
| Hobbsee | orangey: and i doubt many people are around, as it's a sunday here | 06:06 |
| orangey | gotcha. | 06:10 |
| orangey | thanks. | 06:10 |
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| tuxmaniac | Has rc been released? I saw a delay announce meant on the devel announce list. Will this affect the final release of Fawn? | 06:35 |
| cjwatson | No, and the final schedule hasn't been decided; there'll be a further announcement if it's determined to be delayed. | 06:37 |
| cjwatson | we're deciding based on the outcome of testing with what we've got at the moment (rough summary: mostly seems ok except for problems with nvidia ata chipsets) | 06:38 |
| tuxmaniac | cjwatson, Dankeschon | 06:38 |
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| tuxmaniac | cjwatson, nvidia.. grrr :-) | 06:39 |
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| czr | is there a channel for d-i-related questions? | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | czr: probably here, you're after cjwatson - but not on a sunday, i'd expect | 09:42 |
| czr | I just have a silly irritating thing. I want to disable usplash via preseed but can't seem to find any way to do it. | 09:43 |
| evand | czr: #ubuntu-installer, but keep in mind it's Sunday | 09:43 |
| czr | thanks evand & hobbsee | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | morning evand, Hobbsee | 09:49 |
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| evand | good morning Mithrandir | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | heya Mithrandir! | 09:51 |
| Mithrandir | new day, new kernel. | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: thought that read "another day, another kernel" | 09:52 |
| Mithrandir | same difference, really | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | true | 09:53 |
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| Hobbsee | damned procrastination | 09:53 |
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| cjwatson | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/anastacia.txt <-- woo, emptiness | 10:37 |
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| ivoks | cjwatson: here? | 11:53 |
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| dutchfish | hi is there some way to cross-compile to native PE win32 exe without the need for mingw, for instance with the help of dpkg-cross? | 12:16 |
| Nafallo | dutchfish: hi! this channel is for the development of Ubuntu. for support, see #ubuntu. thanks. | 12:16 |
| dutchfish | Nafallo, i thought this was a development question, i am very sorry | 12:20 |
| stgraber | dutchfish: Development of Ubuntu not development on Ubuntu | 12:21 |
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| dutchfish | stgraber, so if there is no package and i wanted to make one for the ubuntu commmunity, it is not ubuntu development? | 12:22 |
| Nafallo | dutchfish: that's universe, so #ubuntu-motu :-) | 12:23 |
| dutchfish | stgraber, ok, thx anyway | 12:24 |
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| cjwatson | ivoks: on and off | 12:52 |
| ivoks | cjwatson: i just wanted to ask you would another upload of console-tools be possible if i fix problems with keymaps for 4-5 countries :) | 12:53 |
| ivoks | sorry, console-setup, not -tools | 12:53 |
| cjwatson | ivoks: it's not very likely at this point; sounds like the sort of problem that could be fixed in an update, if it's a regression from edgy | 12:57 |
| cjwatson | ivoks: but is there a bug number for this? | 12:57 |
| ivoks | cjwatson: it didn't work in edgy too | 12:57 |
| ivoks | cjwatson: bug 93077 | 12:57 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 93077 in console-setup "Non-exsisting layouts" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93077 | 12:57 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: re-accepted debian-installer, since hw-detect is in | 12:58 |
| cjwatson | ivoks: ok, sorry, it sounds really too hairy to get tested properly at this point | 01:00 |
| ivoks | ;..( ok | 01:00 |
| cjwatson | it shouldn't affect the installed system | 01:00 |
| cjwatson | (that doesn't use the keymap reduction stuff) | 01:00 |
| ivoks | problem is only in installer, right | 01:00 |
| cjwatson | so we should release-note that users of those keymaps need to install using a US layout and then switch afterwards | 01:01 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: could you remind me to give you some text for that? | 01:01 |
| cjwatson | ivoks: we should fix this as early as possible in gutsy; I can certainly have a look at it and see whether the right fix is to change the xkb data or to change console-setup | 01:02 |
| cjwatson | anyway, got to go again now | 01:02 |
| ivoks | cjwatson: ok, bye, thanks | 01:02 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: thanks, and yes, will do. | 01:11 |
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| mdzlu | cjwatson: around? | 01:29 |
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| cjwatson | mdzlu: on and off | 01:46 |
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| tsmithe | cjwatson, how feasible is something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2456306&postcount=1 ? | 02:10 |
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| andreasw | hi I have a bug which is already reportet but for edgy rc (in the final version this bug was not there) and I have it in feisty beta now is it better to rereport it for feisty beta? | 02:35 |
| pochu | andreasw: no, the same bug should be enough. Which one? | 02:35 |
| andreasw | pochu: #68031 | 02:35 |
| pochu | bug 68031 | 02:36 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 68031 in kdegraphics "[edgy rc] - ksnapshot draws ugly gray lines (trail marks)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68031 | 02:36 |
| pochu | andreasw: I'm afraid I can't help you, but I've confirmed the report, since another user has the same issue | 02:38 |
| andreasw | ok thanks | 02:38 |
| andreasw | but it's strange that this bug seems to only exist in dev versions of ubuntu ^^ | 02:38 |
| pochu | andreasw: doesn't it happen in Edgy stable? | 02:40 |
| andreasw | pochu: no it doesn't | 02:40 |
| pochu | :) | 02:40 |
| pochu | Let's hope it doesn't happen in Feisty final too ;) | 02:40 |
| andreasw | yep but I will now look at kde.org maybe I'll find a similar bug there | 02:41 |
| pochu | andreasw: If you find it, then link it in the LP report :) | 02:43 |
| andreasw | pochu: ok just found an entry but the user also uses feisty ^^ | 02:43 |
| andreasw | and it is not solved yet | 02:43 |
| pochu | andreasw: link? | 02:43 |
| andreasw | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143723 | 02:44 |
| ubotu | KDE bug 143723 in general "ksnapshot draws artifacts on screen while selecting region" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 02:44 |
| pochu | andreasw: linked :) | 02:45 |
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| Nafallo | I still have the bug that /dev/md2 already has disks in initramfs :-) | 02:57 |
| Nafallo | so still have to break=premount and pkill mdadm :-) | 02:57 |
| Nafallo | but I will ask tomorrow when Keybuk and iwj are working again ;-) | 02:57 |
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| fryfrog | is there a kernel update -15.25 expected? i was under the impression there was, but have only seen the -15.24 that breakifies one of my poor systems :( | 03:00 |
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| Nafallo | linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic | 2.6.20-15.25 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages | 03:01 |
| Nafallo | yes :-) | 03:01 |
| fryfrog | humm, so it is in repos? | 03:01 |
| fryfrog | i guess i'm not so good with my apt fu yet :/ | 03:02 |
| fryfrog | Setting up linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic (2.6.20-15.27) | 03:02 |
| fryfrog | okay, weird | 03:02 |
| fryfrog | one of my systems is happily installing a ".27" and the other only sees .24 :/ | 03:02 |
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| fryfrog | sudo aptitude show linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic | 03:03 |
| fryfrog | is that showing what is *available* or what I have installed? | 03:03 |
| fryfrog | sorry, i should not ask in dev chan | 03:03 |
| Nafallo | apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic should help you | 03:04 |
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| fryfrog | thanks, sorry to ask newb questions here i won't do it until i forget again :) | 03:07 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 03:07 |
| zyga | what is the current status of RC? | 03:11 |
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| cjwatson | tsmithe: it's been discussed before, needs some work though | 03:51 |
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| tsmithe | cjwatson, thanks - what kind of work? | 04:06 |
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| BenC | Mithrandir, cjwatson: How's everything looking? | 04:24 |
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| Mithrandir | BenC: looks good; rolling ISOs now. | 04:55 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: excellent | 04:55 |
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| Hobbsee | how would one go about debugging https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/97499 ? | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: would you know, seeing as you were one of the last to touch NM? | 06:03 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 97499 in network-manager "[Feisty] System crash when NetworkManager tries to activate Wifi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 06:04 |
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| heno | woo! I see new ISOs :) | 06:30 |
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| Arby | hi heno | 06:31 |
| Arby | let the games continue :) | 06:31 |
| heno | Arby: indeed | 06:31 |
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| Arby | we were just wondering about that in #ubuntu-iso | 06:32 |
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| heno | I've flushed yesterday's and added 20070415 ISOs | 06:39 |
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| heno | an overview of the testing from the past few days can be seen here https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/archive | 06:40 |
| mrsno | arr /me downloads again | 06:47 |
| mrsno | :D | 06:47 |
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| spike | hi there | 07:55 |
| spike | I need to look at coreutils sources and noticed that gnu.org ships 6.9 while all the distros I've checked, including ubuntu, ship 5.9X | 07:56 |
| spike | what's the reason behind it? | 07:56 |
| spike | it's a major revision number behind, so it must be something obvious that I'm not aware of | 07:56 |
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| beuno | anyone around that can confirm that apport won't be activated by default in Feisty? | 08:18 |
| beuno | UWN will be out in a while, and I don't want to get that wrong :D | 08:18 |
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| pokoko | g'day everyone. In Ubuntu, and I suppose in Linux kernel version 2.6.17-11, i think there's a bug where a mounted usb device doesn't get recognised after a suspend/resume. Has this been worked out yet or some solution which I am unaware of ? | 09:11 |
| pokoko | ve googled and asked people for answer but so far no one seem to know the answer. One solution was turning acpi=off which doesn't suit my need. How can this be addressed? thanks. | 09:12 |
| pokoko | dmesg'ing tells me that kernel is using wrong IRQ | 09:12 |
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| pochu | pokoko: you can test a recent image of Feisty, ans see whether it's fixed, and if it isn't, then file a bug :) | 09:13 |
| pokoko | pochu, well.. this is not viable | 09:13 |
| Chipzz | pokoko: also, it's sunday, most people are away for the weekend | 09:13 |
| pokoko | pochu, for me | 09:13 |
| pokoko | Chipzz, yeah it's already Mon here in Auz | 09:14 |
| pokoko | ;) | 09:14 |
| Chipzz | pokoko: and you'll probably have more luck asking in #ubuntu-kernel | 09:14 |
| Chipzz | ;) | 09:14 |
| pokoko | Chipzz, cheers | 09:14 |
| Chipzz | pokoko: yw :) | 09:14 |
| Nafallo | file a bug? :-) | 09:14 |
| pokoko | Nafallo, heh. | 09:15 |
| pokoko | Nafallo, will do. | 09:15 |
| pokoko | but what's the point in having #ubuntu-kernel if it can't be used suitably in realtime ? ;) | 09:16 |
| Chipzz | pokoko: also, like pochu said, test a recent image of feisty; latest kernel is 2.6.20-14.22 AFAIK | 09:16 |
| Chipzz | pokoko: you're probably running edgy or dapper? | 09:17 |
| pokoko | Chipzz, yes. edgy | 09:17 |
| pochu | Chipzz: -15.27 ;) | 09:17 |
| Chipzz | pochu: oh, you're right :) | 09:18 |
| Chipzz | I was doing apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic (instead of 15) | 09:18 |
| Nafallo | Chipzz: .17 is edgy :-) | 09:18 |
| Chipzz | typo probably :) | 09:18 |
| Nafallo | dapper is .15 | 09:18 |
| Chipzz | pokoko: the chances that there will be new kernels for edgy fixing your particular issue are probably quite slim (but not non-existant) | 09:19 |
| Chipzz | given that the feisty release is around the corner | 09:20 |
| pokoko | Chipzz, so what are the options ? | 09:20 |
| Chipzz | upgrading to feisty (either now or when it's released) ;) | 09:21 |
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| pokoko | Chipzz, I do not why only I get this error. surprising. | 09:21 |
| pochu | Chipzz: if that's fixed in Feisty :) | 09:21 |
| pokoko | Chipzz, surely will do that later. | 09:21 |
| pokoko | Chipzz, *if* only. heh | 09:22 |
| Chipzz | pokoko: nothing is perfect :) not even the linux kernel :) | 09:22 |
| pokoko | true | 09:22 |
| Chipzz | so, bugs exist, and it's possible that bugs exist that do affect you. ;) | 09:24 |
| pokoko | Chipzz, i actually tried unloading uhci and usbcore modules before and after suspend/resume but that didn't work either. :( | 09:24 |
| pokoko | heh | 09:24 |
| pokoko | Chipzz, thanks for the *enlightment*. ;) | 09:27 |
| pokoko | enlightenment actually. | 09:27 |
| pokoko | heh | 09:27 |
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| anti_pop | i reported this, but no replys. did i something wrong or isnt this a "bug" ?? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106205 | 09:38 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106205 in linux-source-2.6.20 "system freeze" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 09:38 |
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