[12:11] <jdong> beagle :)
[12:11] <bluefoxicy> I don't have it installed.
[12:11] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  any profiling tools that can tell me what's touching disk?
[12:12] <jdong> yeah there are... can't think of the one off the top of my head
[12:12] <jdong> laptop-mode's profiler
[12:12] <jdong> whatever it's called
[12:12] <jdong> lm-profiler
[12:12] <jdong> :)
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> ah
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> uh oh
[12:13] <jdong> LOL
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> /dev/sda:
[12:13] <bluefoxicy>  issuing sleep command
[12:13] <jdong> bluefoxicy: I've accidently unplugged a USB external holding some swap...
[12:13] <jdong> oops.
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> I heard a distinct "CLICK"
[12:14] <bluefoxicy> how ironic, it spins right back up :/
[12:15] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  I'm quite interested in actually getting the hard drive to spin down after a few minutes.  This would, in theory, allow the motor to not constantly run and thus not burn out x.x
[12:15] <jdong> bluefoxicy: spindowns are worse for it
[12:15] <jdong> bluefoxicy: they have much more limited spindown cycles than continuous-operation hours
[12:15] <jdong> and spindown is pretty useless without something like laptop-mode nicely tuned
[12:15] <pitti> good night everyone
[12:15] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  oh.  I have a server behind me that usually doesn't get touched
[12:16] <jdong> bluefoxicy: still cron would wake it up at least once per day
[12:16] <jdong> and syslog writes sync too
[12:16] <bluefoxicy> nods
[12:16] <jdong> you still will lose in the end :(
[12:16] <jdong> the only exception I'd make is for an external that is torqued around a lot during operation
[12:17] <jdong> spinning it down while not in use can be a major lifesaver
[12:17] <popey> \o/ xcursor-themes
[12:17] <jdong> (like an ipod sized HD)
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  sounds like hybrid flash/hard drives will be a boon for drive lifetime
[12:17] <jdong> if done right, yeah
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> if they let you keep like a 4 gigabyte journal on there ;)
[12:17] <jdong> LOL
[12:17] <jdong> haha
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> and then flush it to disk in one run
[12:18] <jdong> yes
[12:18] <jdong> and if they can use fuzzy logic to figure out what to prefetch...
[12:18] <jdong> and also telepathic anticipation
[12:18] <jdong> :)
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> (a 4 gig flash drive costs like $50 on Newegg... in a year that'll equate to maybe $10 more cost added to making a hard drive with 4G flash on it
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> yeah, split it between repeatedly read sectors and a mirror of sectors that have been written
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> and when you spin the drive up, flush the sector-write cache to disk and adjust the sector-read cache as needed; then after several minutes (20-30?) of not actually needed the disk (just the flash area), spin the drive back down
[12:20] <bluefoxicy> If it works out right, normal usage, syslog, cronjobs that don't run shit like updatedb (which I've now killed off), xchat/gaim logs, etc, should reside mainly on flash
[12:21] <bluefoxicy> along with boot time libraries and libc and stuff (woot, no spin-up during boot)
[12:21] <bluefoxicy> so playing movies and music and games would kick the drive up and nothing else should in theory :)
[12:22] <bluefoxicy> hybrid drives will probably die out
[12:34] <dthacker> are there daily images being created for edubuntu and kubuntu at this stage of the release process?
[12:35] <Riddell> dthacker: no, it's manually controlled now
[12:36] <dthacker> Riddell: tnx, watching and learning for next cycle
[12:58] <bo1> hello
[03:10] <lucidsmog> I haven't been able to find this information, but are the actual source packages that you apply to your official builds available somewhere?
[03:11] <lucidsmog> source patches, rather
[03:18] <poningru> lucidsmog: just do apt-get source packagename
[03:18] <poningru> and the orig.tar.gz is the original
[03:18] <poningru> and there is another that is the patch
[03:19] <lucidsmog> poningru: Oh, that's good to know!  To tell you the truth I'm not really an Ubuntu user, but googling around for some things that were annoying me about Firefox lead me to a "launchpad" website about Ubuntu talking about some patches against Firefox for tighter GNOME integration, I just couldn't find the patches.
[03:24] <poningru> lucidsmog: per mofo agreement there isnt anything that isnt changed without mofo approval
[03:28] <crimsun> lucidsmog: download the source package for firefox (orig.tar.gz+diff.gz+dsc), extract it, and see what's packaged in firefox-gnome-support
[03:34] <lucidsmog> crimsun: firefox-gnome-support (at least at packages.ubuntu.com, which I just found) links back to the firefox sources, which look to be the stock ones to begin with, as far as I can tell.
[03:40] <crimsun> lucidsmog: that's correct; firefox source generates that binary.
[03:41] <crimsun> lucidsmog: if you'll inspect what is distributed in the diff.gz, you'll see what becomes firefox-gnome-support.
[05:23] <sudo> http://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1
[06:02] <orangey> Hey all!
[06:02] <orangey> I'm having a problem here.. When I am trying to compile a kernel package which is older (-10), I get "Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated"
[06:03] <Hobbsee> orangey: please read the /topic
[06:04] <orangey> Hobbsee: I'm thoroughly confused where I belong, then.
[06:04] <orangey> #ubuntu?
[06:04] <orangey> #ubuntu-kernel?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> orangey: #ubuntu+1 for feisty, #ubuntu for dapper/edgy support
[06:06] <Hobbsee> orangey: and i doubt many people are around, as it's a sunday here
[06:10] <orangey> gotcha.
[06:10] <orangey> thanks.
[06:35] <tuxmaniac> Has rc been released? I saw a delay announce meant on the devel announce list. Will this affect the final release of Fawn? 
[06:37] <cjwatson> No, and the final schedule hasn't been decided; there'll be a further announcement if it's determined to be delayed.
[06:38] <cjwatson> we're deciding based on the outcome of testing with what we've got at the moment (rough summary: mostly seems ok except for problems with nvidia ata chipsets)
[06:38] <tuxmaniac> cjwatson, Dankeschon
[06:39] <tuxmaniac> cjwatson, nvidia.. grrr :-)
[09:41] <czr> is there a channel for d-i-related questions?
[09:42] <Hobbsee> czr: probably here, you're after cjwatson - but not on a sunday, i'd expect
[09:43] <czr> I just have a silly irritating thing. I want to disable usplash via preseed but can't seem to find any way to do it.
[09:43] <evand> czr: #ubuntu-installer, but keep in mind it's Sunday
[09:43] <czr> thanks evand & hobbsee
[09:49] <Mithrandir> morning evand, Hobbsee
[09:50] <evand> good morning Mithrandir 
[09:51] <Hobbsee> heya Mithrandir!
[09:52] <Mithrandir> new day, new kernel.
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: thought that read "another day, another kernel"
[09:52] <Mithrandir> same difference, really
[09:53] <Hobbsee> true
[09:53] <Hobbsee> damned procrastination
[10:37] <cjwatson> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/anastacia.txt <-- woo, emptiness
[11:53] <ivoks> cjwatson: here?
[12:16] <dutchfish> hi is there some way to cross-compile to native PE win32 exe without the need for mingw, for instance with the help of dpkg-cross?
[12:16] <Nafallo> dutchfish: hi! this channel is for the development of Ubuntu. for support, see #ubuntu. thanks.
[12:20] <dutchfish> Nafallo, i thought this was a development question, i am very sorry
[12:21] <stgraber> dutchfish: Development of Ubuntu not development on Ubuntu
[12:22] <dutchfish> stgraber, so if there is no package and i wanted to make one for the ubuntu commmunity, it is not ubuntu development?
[12:23] <Nafallo> dutchfish: that's universe, so #ubuntu-motu :-)
[12:24] <dutchfish> stgraber, ok, thx anyway
[12:52] <cjwatson> ivoks: on and off
[12:53] <ivoks> cjwatson: i just wanted to ask you would another upload of console-tools be possible if i fix problems with keymaps for 4-5 countries :)
[12:53] <ivoks> sorry, console-setup, not -tools
[12:57] <cjwatson> ivoks: it's not very likely at this point; sounds like the sort of problem that could be fixed in an update, if it's a regression from edgy
[12:57] <cjwatson> ivoks: but is there a bug number for this?
[12:57] <ivoks> cjwatson: it didn't work in edgy too
[12:57] <ivoks> cjwatson: bug 93077
[12:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 93077 in console-setup "Non-exsisting layouts" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93077
[12:58] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: re-accepted debian-installer, since hw-detect is in
[01:00] <cjwatson> ivoks: ok, sorry, it sounds really too hairy to get tested properly at this point
[01:00] <ivoks> ;..( ok
[01:00] <cjwatson> it shouldn't affect the installed system
[01:00] <cjwatson> (that doesn't use the keymap reduction stuff)
[01:00] <ivoks> problem is only in installer, right
[01:01] <cjwatson> so we should release-note that users of those keymaps need to install using a US layout and then switch afterwards
[01:01] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: could you remind me to give you some text for that?
[01:02] <cjwatson> ivoks: we should fix this as early as possible in gutsy; I can certainly have a look at it and see whether the right fix is to change the xkb data or to change console-setup
[01:02] <cjwatson> anyway, got to go again now
[01:02] <ivoks> cjwatson: ok, bye, thanks
[01:11] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: thanks, and yes, will do.
[01:29] <mdzlu> cjwatson: around?
[01:46] <cjwatson> mdzlu: on and off
[02:10] <tsmithe> cjwatson, how feasible is something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2456306&postcount=1 ?
[02:35] <andreasw> hi I have a bug which is already reportet but for edgy rc (in the final version this bug was not there) and I have it in feisty beta now is it better to rereport it for feisty beta?
[02:35] <pochu> andreasw: no, the same bug should be enough. Which one?
[02:35] <andreasw> pochu: #68031
[02:36] <pochu> bug 68031
[02:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 68031 in kdegraphics "[edgy rc]  - ksnapshot draws ugly gray lines (trail marks)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68031
[02:38] <pochu> andreasw: I'm afraid I can't help you, but I've confirmed the report, since another user has the same issue
[02:38] <andreasw> ok thanks
[02:38] <andreasw> but it's strange that this bug seems to only exist in dev versions of ubuntu ^^
[02:40] <pochu> andreasw: doesn't it happen in Edgy stable?
[02:40] <andreasw> pochu: no it doesn't
[02:40] <pochu> :)
[02:40] <pochu> Let's hope it doesn't happen in Feisty final too ;)
[02:41] <andreasw> yep but I will now look at kde.org maybe I'll find a similar bug there
[02:43] <pochu> andreasw: If you find it, then link it in the LP report :)
[02:43] <andreasw> pochu: ok just found an entry but the user also uses feisty ^^
[02:43] <andreasw> and it is not solved yet
[02:43] <pochu> andreasw: link?
[02:44] <andreasw> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143723
[02:44] <ubotu> KDE bug 143723 in general "ksnapshot draws artifacts on screen while selecting region" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[02:45] <pochu> andreasw: linked :)
[02:57] <Nafallo> I still have the bug that /dev/md2 already has disks in initramfs :-)
[02:57] <Nafallo> so still have to break=premount and pkill mdadm :-)
[02:57] <Nafallo> but I will ask tomorrow when Keybuk and iwj are working again ;-)
[03:00] <fryfrog> is there a kernel update -15.25 expected?  i was under the impression there was, but have only seen the -15.24 that breakifies one of my poor systems :(
[03:01] <Nafallo> linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic | 2.6.20-15.25 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[03:01] <Nafallo> yes :-)
[03:01] <fryfrog> humm, so it is in repos?
[03:02] <fryfrog> i guess i'm not so good with my apt fu yet :/
[03:02] <fryfrog> Setting up linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic (2.6.20-15.27)
[03:02] <fryfrog> okay, weird
[03:02] <fryfrog> one of my systems is happily installing a ".27" and the other only sees .24 :/
[03:03] <fryfrog> sudo aptitude show linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[03:03] <fryfrog> is that showing what is *available* or what I have installed?
[03:03] <fryfrog> sorry, i should not ask in dev chan
[03:04] <Nafallo> apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic should help you
[03:07] <fryfrog> thanks, sorry to ask newb questions here i won't do it until i forget again :)
[03:07] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:11] <zyga> what is the current status of RC?
[03:51] <cjwatson> tsmithe: it's been discussed before, needs some work though
[04:06] <tsmithe> cjwatson, thanks - what kind of work?
[04:24] <BenC> Mithrandir, cjwatson: How's everything looking?
[04:55] <Mithrandir> BenC: looks good; rolling ISOs now.
[04:55] <BenC> Mithrandir: excellent
[06:03] <Hobbsee> how would one go about debugging https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/97499 ?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: would you know, seeing as you were one of the last to touch NM?
[06:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 97499 in network-manager "[Feisty]  System crash when NetworkManager tries to activate Wifi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[06:30] <heno> woo! I see new ISOs :)
[06:31] <Arby> hi heno
[06:31] <Arby> let the games continue :)
[06:31] <heno> Arby: indeed
[06:32] <Arby> we were just wondering about that in #ubuntu-iso
[06:39] <heno> I've flushed yesterday's and added 20070415 ISOs
[06:40] <heno> an overview of the testing from the past few days can be seen here https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/archive
[06:47] <mrsno> arr /me downloads again
[06:47] <mrsno> :D
[07:55] <spike> hi there
[07:56] <spike> I need to look at coreutils sources and noticed that gnu.org ships 6.9 while all the distros I've checked, including ubuntu, ship 5.9X
[07:56] <spike> what's the reason behind it?
[07:56] <spike> it's a major revision number behind, so it must be something obvious that I'm not aware of
[08:18] <beuno> anyone around that can confirm that apport won't be activated by default in Feisty?
[08:18] <beuno>  UWN will be out in a while, and I don't want to get that wrong  :D
[09:11] <pokoko> g'day everyone. In Ubuntu, and I suppose in Linux kernel version 2.6.17-11, i think there's a bug where a mounted usb device doesn't get recognised after a suspend/resume. Has this been worked out yet or some solution which I am unaware of ?
[09:12] <pokoko> ve googled and asked people for answer but so far no one seem to know the answer. One solution was turning acpi=off which doesn't suit my need. How can this be addressed? thanks.
[09:12] <pokoko> dmesg'ing tells me that kernel is using wrong IRQ
[09:13] <pochu> pokoko: you can test a recent image of Feisty, ans see whether it's fixed, and if it isn't, then file a bug :)
[09:13] <pokoko> pochu, well.. this is not viable
[09:13] <Chipzz> pokoko: also, it's sunday, most people are away for the weekend
[09:13] <pokoko> pochu, for me
[09:14] <pokoko> Chipzz, yeah it's already Mon here in Auz
[09:14] <pokoko> ;)
[09:14] <Chipzz> pokoko: and you'll probably have more luck asking in #ubuntu-kernel
[09:14] <Chipzz> ;)
[09:14] <pokoko> Chipzz, cheers
[09:14] <Chipzz> pokoko: yw :)
[09:14] <Nafallo> file a bug? :-)
[09:15] <pokoko> Nafallo, heh.
[09:15] <pokoko> Nafallo, will do.
[09:16] <pokoko> but what's the point in having #ubuntu-kernel if it can't be used suitably in realtime ? ;)
[09:16] <Chipzz> pokoko: also, like pochu said, test a recent image of feisty; latest kernel is 2.6.20-14.22 AFAIK
[09:17] <Chipzz> pokoko: you're probably running edgy or dapper?
[09:17] <pokoko> Chipzz, yes. edgy
[09:17] <pochu> Chipzz: -15.27 ;)
[09:18] <Chipzz> pochu: oh, you're right :)
[09:18] <Chipzz> I was doing apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic (instead of 15)
[09:18] <Nafallo> Chipzz: .17 is edgy :-)
[09:18] <Chipzz> typo probably :)
[09:18] <Nafallo> dapper is .15
[09:19] <Chipzz> pokoko: the chances that there will be new kernels for edgy fixing your particular issue are probably quite slim (but not non-existant)
[09:20] <Chipzz> given that the feisty release is around the corner
[09:20] <pokoko> Chipzz, so what are the options ?
[09:21] <Chipzz> upgrading to feisty (either now or when it's released) ;)
[09:21] <pokoko> Chipzz, I do not why only I get this error. surprising.
[09:21] <pochu> Chipzz: if that's fixed in Feisty :)
[09:21] <pokoko> Chipzz, surely will do that later.
[09:22] <pokoko> Chipzz, *if* only. heh
[09:22] <Chipzz> pokoko: nothing is perfect :) not even the linux kernel :)
[09:22] <pokoko> true
[09:24] <Chipzz> so, bugs exist, and it's possible that bugs exist that do affect you. ;)
[09:24] <pokoko> Chipzz, i actually tried unloading uhci and usbcore modules before and after suspend/resume but that didn't work either. :(
[09:24] <pokoko> heh
[09:27] <pokoko> Chipzz, thanks for the *enlightment*. ;)
[09:27] <pokoko> enlightenment actually.
[09:27] <pokoko> heh
[09:38] <anti_pop> i reported this, but no replys. did i something wrong or isnt this a "bug" ?? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106205
[09:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 106205 in linux-source-2.6.20 "system freeze" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]