| BenC | kylem: works on my pata_amd | 12:16 |
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| kylem | lazka, er, maybe? | 12:16 |
| lazka | kylem, what should be the dev name? | 12:16 |
| kylem | mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /mount | 12:16 |
| trejack | FYI my problem persists with a new install from today's daily build. | 12:16 |
| Nafallo | /dev/cdrom | 12:17 |
| BenC | trejack: Try: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/kernels/feisty/linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.27_i386.deb | 12:17 |
| kylem | trejack, what problem? | 12:17 |
| BenC | kylem: trejack was also having the pata_amd issue | 12:17 |
| kylem | ok | 12:17 |
| lazka | no medium found.. | 12:17 |
| BenC | lazka: do you have a disk in there? | 12:17 |
| trejack | I can't. Wiped my working 2.6.20-17 install | 12:17 |
| lazka | yeah, i will look for a cleaner one.. | 12:18 |
| trejack | Wait a sec - I can chroot in from my edgy | 12:18 |
| moodydeath | is it the correct device, laska? ... could be scd1, too, if you got more | 12:18 |
| trejack | I'll be back | 12:18 |
| lazka | ok, /dev/cdrom is my dvd-drive | 12:19 |
| lazka | and its working | 12:19 |
| lazka | but i cant find the lite-on | 12:20 |
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| lazka | kylem, it makes some noise but doesnt spin up | 12:21 |
| BenC | [ 30.987575] scsi 1:0:1:0: CD-ROM PLEXTOR DVD-ROM PX-116A2 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 | 12:21 |
| BenC | that's the only thing I see connected | 12:22 |
| kylem | it only found one ATAPI device | 12:22 |
| BenC | There is only /dev/sr0, no /dev/sr1 | 12:22 |
| kylem | and didn't even whine about the rest | 12:22 |
| kylem | are you sure it's cabled properly? | 12:22 |
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| heno | kylem: are you building an amd64 version for testing as well? | 12:23 |
| lazka | kylem, should be, i'll check with 20.13 again if it still works there, k? | 12:24 |
| BenC | heno: I am, I'll upload it when it's done | 12:24 |
| kylem | ok | 12:24 |
| heno | ok, cool | 12:24 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam | 2.6.20-15.25 Uploaded | URGENT: Currently debugging pata_amd problems in 2.6.20-15.25 (do not report problems unless you have -15.25). Kernel that should fix it: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/kernels/feisty/ | Kernel that is known to fix sata_nv and HPA problems: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/ | Please report success/fai | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam | 2.6.20-15.25 Uploaded | URGENT: Currently debugging pata_amd problems in 2.6.20-15.25 (do not report problems unless you have -15.25). Kernel that should fix it: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/kernels/feisty/ | Kernel that is known to fix sata_nv and HPA problems: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/ | ||
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| lazka | kylem, bad news, works ok with 20.13 | 12:27 |
| BenC | lazka: can you pastebin dmesg from .13? | 12:28 |
| lazka | http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15681/ | 12:29 |
| lazka | [ 32.828189] hdc: LITE-ON LTR-52246S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive | 12:29 |
| BenC | kylem: amd64 is uploading to my ~/, I'll let you put it next to yours | 12:29 |
| BenC | hdc?! | 12:29 |
| kylem | you must have shuffled pci ids? | 12:30 |
| lazka | umh what? | 12:30 |
| kylem | brb. | 12:30 |
| BenC | -13 -> -14 == ata update | 12:30 |
| BenC | probably moved from amd ide to pata_amd | 12:30 |
| Nafallo | pata_amd still used hd? in -13 for me aswell | 12:30 |
| Nafallo | or that :-) | 12:31 |
| BenC | brb | 12:31 |
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| lazka | it did say that in the bugreport... | 12:34 |
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| BenC | kylem: if the problem we're having is just in pata_amd, maybe switching back to the amd IDE driver is best | 12:45 |
| BenC | looks like the quick fix didn't take care of all the problems | 12:45 |
| trejack | No good for me, either. (Iused the -15.27 kernel). The dmesg is at http://librarian.launchpad.net/7331329/dmesg2.txt | 12:49 |
| BenC | still showing exceptions for trejack too | 12:50 |
| trejack | Don't know if this will help or not, but when I booted into the live cd, it at first couldn't use any of my existing partitions. | 12:50 |
| trejack | I reformated the sda3 one using gparted, and it completed in seconds, and my sda1 partition was suddenly available, as well | 12:51 |
| BenC | trejack: doing a new build to revert back to amd74xx driver | 12:52 |
| BenC | lazka, moodydeath: you guys willing to test another kernel in about 30 minutes? | 12:52 |
| lazka | BenC: yep | 12:53 |
| trejack | I'll check back in 30. Thanks | 12:53 |
| moodydeath | yep | 12:53 |
| BenC | thanks, build started, will post here when it's done | 12:53 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam | 2.6.20-15.25 Uploaded | URGENT: Currently debugging pata_amd problems in 2.6.20-15.25 (do not report problems unless you have -15.25). Test kernel is building, will be done at around 23:20 UTC | Kernel that is known to fix sata_nv and HPA problems: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/ | ||
| moodydeath | is this the new one ? | 01:09 |
| lazka | moodydeath: no | 01:09 |
| moodydeath | kk :) | 01:09 |
| moodydeath | ah ... should read the whole topic ... -_- | 01:09 |
| lazka | there is so much crap on TV at night :P omg | 01:10 |
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| BenC | builds are done, getting ready to upload | 01:21 |
| defendguin | hey BenC | 01:22 |
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| defendguin | apparently the mmc card reader fix isn't working | 01:22 |
| BenC | it was reported to work for many people | 01:23 |
| defendguin | hmmm | 01:23 |
| BenC | it doesn't resolve all mmc issues | 01:23 |
| defendguin | i wish i had a card on me | 01:23 |
| BenC | it was just one major regression | 01:23 |
| BenC | 53b205c5fbe264a700454a4f5416d0a8 linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.26_amd64.deb | 01:24 |
| BenC | 7a5f4a0801be29c9c614b3d1a673edf2 linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.26_i386.deb | 01:24 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam | 2.6.20-15.25 Uploaded | URGENT: Currently debugging pata_amd problems in 2.6.20-15.25 (do not report problems unless you have -15.25). Test kernel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/ | Kernel that is known to fix sata_nv and HPA problems: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/ | ||
| BenC | http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/ | 01:24 |
| moodydeath | dl running :D | 01:24 |
| BenC | note that kernel changes pata_amd back to amd74xx, so your devices will go to hdX | 01:25 |
| BenC | moodydeath: it's still being uploaded | 01:25 |
| moodydeath | hmm | 01:25 |
| BenC | probably be completed in about 5 minutes | 01:25 |
| BenC | probably less | 01:25 |
| MrNOKIA | is it a 32 or a 64 bit version ? | 01:25 |
| moodydeath | i'll f5 ;) | 01:25 |
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| MrNOKIA | i'm sorry, i must be missing something | 01:27 |
| MrNOKIA | i'm using linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.27_i386.deb | 01:27 |
| trex37 | what's the file size? | 01:27 |
| MrNOKIA | the new file is .26 ? | 01:28 |
| MrNOKIA | 21 Mb | 01:28 |
| lazka | it's ready | 01:29 |
| MrNOKIA | yes,but... | 01:29 |
| MrNOKIA | why is it .26 now ? | 01:29 |
| MrNOKIA | i.m on .27 for about an hour | 01:30 |
| moodydeath | .27 was a version from kyle | 01:31 |
| MrNOKIA | kile ? | 01:31 |
| MrNOKIA | kyle ? | 01:31 |
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| moodydeath | BenC: kernel boots ... as fast as -12 did | 01:33 |
| moodydeath | testing drives | 01:33 |
| MrNOKIA | moodydeath, what is kyle ? should i try the new kernel now ? | 01:34 |
| moodydeath | scd0 & scd1 working :D | 01:34 |
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| moodydeath | http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/kernels/feisty/ <-- here is the .27 ... but i think the .26 which was released some minutes ago is the new one | 01:35 |
| lazka | Ubuntu 2.6.20-15.26-generic | 01:36 |
| lazka | http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15700/ | 01:36 |
| lazka | everything back to normal | 01:36 |
| moodydeath | http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15701 | 01:37 |
| moodydeath | me, too :D | 01:37 |
| lazka | BenC: is it intentional that ivtv isn't working with your builds? | 01:38 |
| lazka | it worked with kylem's build | 01:38 |
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| trejack | Yay! That one did it | 01:39 |
| trejack | what do you need from me? | 01:39 |
| BenC | lazka: no, I didn't change that | 01:44 |
| BenC | trejack: dmesg please | 01:44 |
| lazka | BenC: what do you mean? | 01:44 |
| BenC | lazka: ivtv | 01:44 |
| cjwatson_ | lazka: from your log earlier it looked like you were just missing the firmware | 01:45 |
| cjwatson_ | iirc | 01:45 |
| lazka | BenC: your build is 2 MB smaller.. | 01:45 |
| BenC | lazka: could be a left out the firmware | 01:45 |
| BenC | quirk in the build | 01:45 |
| lazka | thats what i mean.. | 01:46 |
| BenC | lazka: try copying it from /lib/firmware/linux-image-2.6.20-13-generic/ | 01:46 |
| BenC | it wont happen in the final build | 01:46 |
| lazka | ok, thanks | 01:46 |
| BenC | I trimmed some things out of the build to speed things up | 01:46 |
| BenC | mainly linux-headers, linux-debug, and apparently firmware | 01:46 |
| lazka | ah, i see, however.. i'm going to bed now, already 2 am here. | 01:47 |
| BenC | lazka: thanks | 01:47 |
| lazka | gn8 all | 01:47 |
| BenC | Mithrandir, cjwatson: The three testers we had that reported the problem have reported success | 01:47 |
| BenC | the fix was reverting back to amd74xx IDE driver instead of pata_amd | 01:47 |
| cjwatson | right, do you have the diff or is it in git? | 01:47 |
| BenC | so it's a relatively safe and isolated fix | 01:48 |
| BenC | amd74xx was actually being used up until about 5 weeks ago | 01:48 |
| cjwatson | I'm actually just going to bed, but I am happy to be woken up once it's uploaded | 01:48 |
| BenC | will be done in about 10 minutes | 01:48 |
| cjwatson | ok | 01:48 |
| cjwatson | send me an SMS on my mobile number? | 01:48 |
| BenC | cjwatson: Ok | 01:49 |
| BenC | cjwatson: wait, I can't send Intl SMS | 01:49 |
| BenC | unless you have an email that redirects | 01:50 |
| BenC | trejack, lazka, moodydeath: thanks for the testing! | 01:51 |
| moodydeath | np :) | 01:51 |
| MrNOKIA | np ? | 01:51 |
| BenC | the past few days, we've been very fortunate to have folks coming around to bear the burden of our test builds | 01:51 |
| BenC | MrNOKIA: np == no problem | 01:51 |
| BenC | MrNOKIA: were you having the pata_amd problems? | 01:52 |
| moodydeath | will there be something like a final version, that will need a test ? | 01:52 |
| MrNOKIA | sorry | 01:52 |
| MrNOKIA | i knew that | 01:52 |
| BenC | moodydeath: by tomorrow there should be something in your update manager :) | 01:52 |
| MrNOKIA | I guess | 01:52 |
| BenC | MrNOKIA: could you test the kernel in the topic URL? | 01:52 |
| BenC | I'm sure it will work for you, if that's in fact the issue you were having | 01:53 |
| MrNOKIA | I could'nt boot the new kernel untill the .25 version came up | 01:53 |
| trejack | http://librarian.launchpad.net/7331974/dmesg3.txt | 01:53 |
| MrNOKIA | i posted info on the dedicated thread | 01:53 |
| MrNOKIA | hope it helped | 01:53 |
| MrNOKIA | my nick is pretty much the same as on ubuntuforums :) | 01:54 |
| BenC | MrNOKIA: ok, thanks | 01:54 |
| BenC | trejack: excellent, thanks | 01:54 |
| BenC | cjwatson, Mithrandir: kernel away | 01:54 |
| trejack | Thank you! | 01:54 |
| trejack | I must say I was intimidated by all of this at first, but it's been a pleasure... | 01:55 |
| MrNOKIA | BenC: a new kernel ? | 01:55 |
| MrNOKIA | i see only the 15 april .26 version | 01:56 |
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| defendguin | got it all fixed? | 02:08 |
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| BenC | defendguin: looks that way | 02:23 |
| BenC | MrNOKIA: the one in my dir in the URL is the same as the one I uploaded (sans some firmware) | 02:23 |
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| gnufied | extended attributes are enabled on stock ubuntu dapper kernels? | 04:17 |
| gnufied | if yes, then how do i find out? | 04:17 |
| crimsun | grep -i xattr /boot/config-$(uname -r) | 04:19 |
| gnufied | thanks, so its enabled. | 04:19 |
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| yoasif | i just saw the post on ubuntuforums about the sata_nv issue... how can i help? | 04:54 |
| mjg59 | Should be fixed now | 04:54 |
| mjg59 | See the topic | 04:55 |
| yoasif | ty | 04:55 |
| yoasif | hmm, 15-27 is listed on ubuntuforums, should i get that, or the one in the topic? | 04:56 |
| yoasif | (i am experiencing the PATA issues) | 04:56 |
| mjg59 | 15.27 is the latest, I believe | 04:57 |
| mjg59 | It's worth a go | 04:57 |
| yoasif | ok | 04:57 |
| yoasif | mjg59: do you have any ideas what the problem might be if every once in a while, the screen goes all wonky (the screen gets compressed down, and a load of copies of the screen get patterned, and skewed) | 05:00 |
| yoasif | ssh doesn't work, and i've tried just using vesa | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | No | 05:00 |
| yoasif | heh... i'm really wondering how i can describe the issue properly. | 05:01 |
| keturn | sounds a little like your graphics card aesploded | 05:18 |
| yoasif | it's onboard | 05:18 |
| yoasif | and a pretty new mobo | 05:18 |
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| cjwatson | -15.27 kernel belatedly accepted - builds will start running as soon as I can manage it | 06:29 |
| kylem | thanks colin | 06:30 |
| cjwatson | http://librarian.launchpad.net/7331974/dmesg3.txt (from trejack earlier) has some DriveReady SeekComplete Error stuff before the kernel finally gets hda going - is that unrelated? | 06:32 |
| kylem | unlikely | 06:32 |
| kylem | oh, yeah | 06:33 |
| mjg59 | Likely that it's unrealted, by the looks of it | 06:33 |
| kylem | i thought hda was the missing cdrom | 06:33 |
| mjg59 | BadCRC is either complete timing fuckup, or bad cable | 06:33 |
| kylem | likely a 40pin cable | 06:33 |
| mjg59 | But, hell, drivers/ide has never really worked | 06:34 |
| cjwatson | hda has a partition table in that dmesg so it's not a cdrom | 06:34 |
| kylem | right | 06:34 |
| mjg59 | It ends up coming up in pio mode | 06:34 |
| kylem | works by magic | 06:34 |
| kylem | sheer force of will | 06:34 |
| mjg59 | Not ideal, but it'll do | 06:34 |
| cjwatson | ha | 06:34 |
| kylem | hmm, mark lord lives in the same city as me | 06:34 |
| kylem | i can walk over and beat him up if you want | 06:35 |
| kylem | :P | 06:35 |
| cjwatson | ok, publisher's running, I'm off back to sleep | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | Oh, that system looks shitted anyway | 06:35 |
| kylem | cjwatson, night | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | [ 20.079279] ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | [ 20.079317] ...trying to set up timer (IRQ0) through the 8259A ... failed. | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | [ 20.079320] ...trying to set up timer as Virtual Wire IRQ... failed. | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | [ 20.119013] ...trying to set up timer as ExtINT IRQ... works. | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | Never seen that on an nvidia board before | 06:35 |
| cjwatson | phone me if it all blows up, and I'll try not to fall straight back to sleep again :-/ | 06:36 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir has it set up so that the kernel builds on palmer this time | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | cjwatson: The errors there don't look related to any of the HPA/libata stuff | 06:37 |
| cjwatson | ok, thanks | 06:38 |
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| bdgraue | cjwatson: linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic_2.6.20-15.26_i386.deb works for me | 07:24 |
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| Nafallo | kylem: my server seems to have kept itself from hanging after I removed irqpoll :-). | 08:40 |
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| crimsun | BenC: I've emailed you a tested and verified patch for #105582. Please consider applying it to avoid a regression from dapper. | 09:17 |
| Mithrandir | crimsun: too late, but it should go into an SRU | 09:19 |
| crimsun | Mithrandir: whatever you guys [have] decide[d] | 09:20 |
| Mithrandir | crimsun: sorry. :-/ | 09:21 |
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| benh | crimsun: here ? :-) | 09:39 |
| crimsun | yep. | 09:39 |
| benh | ok, so it's indeed Version: 2.6.20-15.25 | 09:39 |
| benh | and it blows up when moving the mouse | 09:40 |
| benh | on a Quad G5 | 09:40 |
| benh | linux-image-2.6.20-15-powerpc64-smp, in console mode, minimum install (no X, no gpm) | 09:40 |
| benh | I don't have a hardcopy of the crash yet, it crashes at irq time, so no log | 09:40 |
| benh | backtrace shows that it comes from usb -> input -> evdev | 09:40 |
| benh | and it might be blowing up in do_gettimeofday() which would be VERY strange | 09:41 |
| benh | are there some known ubuntu patches in that area ? | 09:41 |
| benh | crimsun: yup, I think BenC is asleep :-( pung him already on some other channel, didn't help | 09:43 |
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| benh | I'm a bit lost with launchpad, how do I look at the bugs reported for a given package ? | 09:44 |
| benh | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20 seems to indicate that a .27 is out | 09:44 |
| benh | though it hasn't hit au.archive.ubuntu.com | 09:44 |
| benh | might be worth for me trying to dig that and check before filing a bug report | 09:45 |
| crimsun | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bugs | 09:45 |
| benh | hrm.. I don't see it | 09:46 |
| benh | me gets the source and have a look how on earch do_gettimeofday() could crash ... | 09:46 |
| Mithrandir | -15.27 probably won't hit au.archive for another couple of hours, but you can get it off archive.ubuntu.com or launchpad. | 09:48 |
| benh | yup, I'll try that too | 09:49 |
| Mithrandir | https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/318987/linux-image-2.6.20-15-powerpc64-smp | 09:50 |
| benh | not on archive's Package file yet, I'll wait and look at hte source in the meantime | 09:51 |
| benh | ok | 09:51 |
| benh | that would do too I suppose :-0 | 09:51 |
| Mithrandir | I really can't believe we wouldn't have massive amounts of bug reports about that bug, unless there's something special with your hardware. | 09:51 |
| benh | nothing special that I can see... just a fairly ordinary quad G5 | 09:52 |
| `sam` | does -25.27 need testing for sata_nv or is it known to work? because i'm installing now... | 09:52 |
| benh | anyway, have to run, will be back later & investigate | 09:52 |
| benh | have 2 disks though and using an lvm but heh... that shouldn't matter :-) | 09:53 |
| bdgraue | 15-26 is running fine with sata_nv | 09:53 |
| bdgraue | -15.26 i mean | 09:53 |
| Mithrandir | `sam`: we want as much testing as we can get on the latest kernel (-15.27). Even if previous ones worked fine, we want to make sure there are no regressions. | 09:54 |
| Mithrandir | `sam`: so if you have a bit of time to spare, it's much appreciated. | 09:54 |
| bdgraue | Mithrandir: i'll try the new -15.27 too | 09:54 |
| `sam` | ok, i've had -15.25 installed but have still been running -14.23... going to reboot now and see | 09:55 |
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| `sam` | well -15.27 boots for me | 10:03 |
| `sam` | took me a few minutes because i had changed my xorg.conf about 30 minutes ago and had messed it up | 10:03 |
| Mithrandir | `sam`: good to hear, CD-ROM/DVD-ROM and all works too? | 10:04 |
| `sam` | yeah i just tested a dvd and it started playing in totem | 10:06 |
| Mithrandir | great | 10:07 |
| Mithrandir | please tell us if you have other (kernel-related) regressions? | 10:07 |
| bdgraue | Mithrandir: where can i get the 15-27? | 10:10 |
| `sam` | like what? anything specific you want me to check out? | 10:10 |
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| bdgraue | are the 2.6.20-15.27 not available for i386 yet? | 10:12 |
| `sam` | bdgraue, have you checked in update-manager? i just found it there about 25 minutes ago | 10:13 |
| bdgraue | `sam`: not here i have archive.ubuntu.com | 10:14 |
| Mithrandir | bdgraue: are you on i386? If so, the kernel is not done yet. | 10:14 |
| bdgraue | ok then | 10:15 |
| bdgraue | i'll wait :-) | 10:15 |
| macd | palmer is cooking hot ;) | 10:16 |
| bdgraue | Status:Currently building | 10:17 |
| bdgraue | :-) | 10:17 |
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| `sam` | Mithrandir, was the drive detection the main problem? if there's anything else i could test i've got time... even though i don't know what all i'm looking for :) | 10:17 |
| Mithrandir | `sam`: yes, the problems were all related to drive detection and also some HPA. | 10:21 |
| Mithrandir | can you run dmesg | grep hpa in a shell and paste the contents somewhere? | 10:22 |
| `sam` | it's only 2 lines, can i paste it here? | 10:23 |
| Mithrandir | sure | 10:24 |
| `sam` | [ 24.478810] ata1.00: ata_hpa_resize 1: sectors = 312500000, hpa_sectors = 312500000 | 10:24 |
| `sam` | [ 24.490762] ata1.00: ata_hpa_resize 1: sectors = 312500000, hpa_sectors = 312500000 | 10:24 |
| Mithrandir | ok, and no scary errors of any kind in dmesg? | 10:25 |
| `sam` | i don't think so, but i don't know what this is: | 10:27 |
| `sam` | [ 25.958194] ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0x0000000000010967 | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | hm | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | not great, but if it all works, I wouldn't worry too much | 10:30 |
| `sam` | what is the hpa exactly? i'm just finding stuff about thinkpads... | 10:37 |
| benh | Mithrandir: crash still happens with .27 | 10:37 |
| benh | Mithrandir: will investigate | 10:37 |
| benh | Mithrandir: do you guys have extra patches on top of mainline like some of the -rt or clock sources stuff ? some of that is known to introduce fancy breakage on ppc | 10:39 |
| benh | (still d/l the source on my crappy link here) | 10:40 |
| cjwatson | `sam`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_Protected_Area | 10:40 |
| Mithrandir | benh: we have lowlatency, but it's not enabled in the default kernels. | 10:40 |
| benh | k | 10:40 |
| cjwatson | our kernel's in git if that helps | 10:41 |
| Mithrandir | benh: I'm not a kernel hacker, so I'm not sure what other patches have been brought in. | 10:41 |
| benh | ok, because the scary thing is ... there is -no way- such an error could happen in gettimeofday on normal mainline | 10:41 |
| benh | unless there have been kernel memory corruption :-( | 10:42 |
| cjwatson | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-feisty.git;a=summary | 10:42 |
| benh | ... or it's passed a crap argument | 10:43 |
| benh | which is probably the likely cause... need to disasm to see where exactly the crash occurs | 10:43 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: -15.27/i386 is in accepted, if you hadn't already noticed; feel like accepting d-i? | 10:43 |
| benh | I wounder if stupid mousemu could be causing it | 10:43 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: ah, just got there then, I'll accept it | 10:48 |
| benh | Mithrandir: ok, if you kill mouseemu, it doesn't crash | 10:49 |
| Mithrandir | is mouseemu kernel mode? | 10:49 |
| benh | Mithrandir: at this point, I'm about 99% convinced it's some crap in uinput vs. 32 bits apps on 64 bits kernels | 10:49 |
| benh | Mithrandir: no, but it uses some whacky kernel interfaces (uinput) which I wouldn't be surprised at all is broken | 10:50 |
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| benh | Mithrandir: there is a long tradition of brokenness in the input layer userland interfaces, especially vs 32/64 bits | 10:50 |
| Mithrandir | hmkay. | 10:50 |
| benh | Mithrandir: it's likely that running a 32 bits mouseemu on a 64 bits x86 will crash too | 10:50 |
| benh | Mithrandir: I'll have to investigate in more details but can't do that tonight, in the meantime, it might be worth (if possible) to disable mouseemu by default on powerpc64 | 10:51 |
| Mithrandir | we don't support 64 bit kernels and 32 bit userland on x86_64, so that's not really that important. | 10:51 |
| benh | Mithrandir: hehe, fair enough :-) | 10:51 |
| Mithrandir | "you run this and it breaks? You get to keep both pieces." | 10:51 |
| benh | Mithrandir: well, I know powerpc isn't officially supported anymore.. but if you guys want to avoid that problem, the short term band-aid is to disable mouseemu on 64 bits powerpc's | 10:52 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: ^^ ; your code, your call, I'm not sure what's a reasonable direction to go in from here. | 10:52 |
| benh | Mithrandir: want me to file a launchpad entry ? | 10:52 |
| Mithrandir | benh: yes, a bug would be good. | 10:52 |
| benh | Mithrandir: I'll try to debug that properly later, I'll be away for most of next week though | 10:52 |
| Mithrandir | benh: yes, I'm trying to think of a way to not end up saying "sorry, ppc is SOL". | 10:52 |
| benh | Mithrandir: :-) | 10:52 |
| benh | Mithrandir: well... it would hit ps3 | 10:53 |
| Mithrandir | it would, which is bad. | 10:53 |
| Mithrandir | I'm wondering if we can do it in an SRU or not.. | 10:53 |
| benh | I'd say just don't install mousemu by default on 64 bits ppc's ... I suppose you install it by default bcs of 1 buttons apple mice... | 10:53 |
| benh | anyway, I'll file a launchpad entry tonight so it's at least tracked before I go | 10:54 |
| benh | I'll try to find out what's wrong in the kernel later | 10:54 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: wah, need to do that before d-i goes in | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: can you reject it temporarily? | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | benh: one-button mice> right, the old sysctl approach isn't available on x86 for Intel Macs and I wanted to have the same scheme across architectures | 10:58 |
| cjwatson | it was working fine for me on 32-bit powerpc :-/ | 10:58 |
| benh | cjwatson: faiir enough | 10:58 |
| benh | cjwatson: yeah, well, uinput is a pile of poo unfortunately | 10:58 |
| benh | cjwatson: I'll check if the problem is still in upstream 2.6.21-whatever-git-of-the-day first | 10:58 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I've rejected debian-installer so that I can squeeze hw-detect in front | 10:58 |
| cjwatson | benh: the powerpc64 option sounds reasonable | 10:59 |
| benh | another option might be to build it as a 64 bits binary :-) if the bug is what I think, that might work | 10:59 |
| cjwatson | can't do that at this point | 10:59 |
| cjwatson | it's the same binary package on powerpc32 and powerpc64, would involve massive fiddling | 10:59 |
| cjwatson | also we're right at the wire | 10:59 |
| cjwatson | literally if this had been half an hour later it would have been too late ;) | 11:00 |
| benh | heh | 11:00 |
| benh | I knew it was a good idea to try out fesity on this g5 :-) | 11:00 |
| cjwatson | meh, this means I have to figure out whether the running system is ppc64 | 11:01 |
| benh | I've been running it on the laptop for some time, had minor issues, but overall good | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | arch_get_kernel_flavour () { | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | CPU=`grep '^cpu[[:space:] ] *:' "$CPUINFO" | head -n1 | cut -d: -f2 | sed 's/^ *//; s/[, ] .*//' | tr A-Z a-z` | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | case "$CPU" in | 11:01 |
| benh | cjwatson: ugly way: check /proc/ppc64 :-) | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | power3|i-star|s-star|power4|power4+|ppc970*|power5|power5+|cell) | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | family=powerpc64 | 11:01 |
| benh | nah | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | will have to duplicate crap like that I guess | 11:01 |
| benh | don't test the cpu model | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | benh: huh, that actually exists? | 11:01 |
| benh | that's too ugly for words | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | I know, but it's all we had | 11:01 |
| benh | cjwatson: it does in 2.6.20 :-0 | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | neat | 11:01 |
| benh | let me dbl check it does on your kernel... | 11:02 |
| cjwatson | the code's there, but I'm no expert | 11:02 |
| benh | it does | 11:03 |
| benh | either that or you check for uname -a containing powerpc64 | 11:03 |
| benh | I'm sure there are better ways :-) | 11:03 |
| benh | but you should never have to check for individual cpu models | 11:03 |
| benh | anyway, anything that works for you... | 11:03 |
| cjwatson | might change that at some point, cpuinfo testing is useful though because of the automatic test framework there | 11:04 |
| cjwatson | could probably teach it about uname output if it doesn't know already | 11:04 |
| cjwatson | anyway, I'll [ ! -d /proc/ppc64 ] in hw-detect, thanks | 11:04 |
| benh | yah, it's dir with various crap in it | 11:06 |
| benh | we can't really remove it because of some stupid stuff relying on it | 11:06 |
| benh | so it will stay a bit longer... | 11:07 |
| benh | anyway, use whatever is best for you | 11:07 |
| benh | btw, I was impressed how good the installer was vs. setting up yaboot | 11:07 |
| benh | I was installing on sdb, with lvm & all, sda had my debian stuff etc.. | 11:07 |
| benh | and the installer figured it all out, and setup yaboot.conf entries for my sda stuff too, neat ! | 11:07 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: could you review hw-detect 1.45ubuntu5 to work around benh's bug? | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | then binaries of that need to be accepted before re-accepting debian-installer | 11:08 |
| Mithrandir | not in the queue yet, but yes, will do in two minutes | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | benh: yeah, the os-prober stuff for detecting other systems is nice | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | still keep getting the odd report of ofpath glitches | 11:09 |
| benh | yeah, for some reason, I didn't hit those tho | 11:09 |
| benh | (I was expecting to :-) | 11:09 |
| benh | I think it re-used my boot partition on sda which is probably why it worked | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | we do have a couple of ofpath patches, think I sent them to Debian a while back | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | not entirely sure they're right on all systems though | 11:10 |
| benh | I'm filing a launchpad entry for the kernel bug so we can track it | 11:11 |
| cjwatson | had a report the other day which suggests not, though I haven't seen the /proc/device-tree/ tarball for it yet | 11:11 |
| cjwatson | thanks. so you reckon it's lack of 64/32-bit thunking in the uinput ioctls? | 11:12 |
| benh | it's either that or a bug in the thunking... either way, it shouldn't crash the kernel :-) | 11:13 |
| Mithrandir | are those ioctls available to the user? If so, we should get this fixed in a security upload. | 11:13 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: yes, mouseemu is userspace | 11:13 |
| cjwatson | oh to non-root you mean? | 11:13 |
| Mithrandir | well, non-root user. "root can crash the kernel" isn't very interesting. | 11:13 |
| benh | I suspect it might use read/write instead of ioctl's ... but I'll confirm all that when I have time to dig, after I'm back from Perth next week | 11:14 |
| cjwatson | probably to anyone who can read/write /dev/input/* | 11:14 |
| benh | depends on the permission on uinput | 11:14 |
| cjwatson | benh: ioctl to set up the virtual device, read/write to interact with it | 11:14 |
| benh | uinput is a hack that allows to filter input events from userspace | 11:14 |
| cjwatson | crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 223 2007-04-12 10:28 uinput | 11:14 |
| benh | yeah | 11:14 |
| cjwatson | at the moment | 11:14 |
| benh | ok, so it's not -too- bad... still worth fixing at one point | 11:14 |
| Mithrandir | sure, it's worth fixing, but not getting into (another) panic about. | 11:15 |
| benh | either a small fix if easy, or just forbid read/write on 32 bits if not a simple fix | 11:15 |
| benh | sure | 11:15 |
| benh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106723 | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 11:16 |
| benh | the input layer 32/64 its thunking is known to be a total PITA | 11:17 |
| benh | anyway, I'll dig when I can, not enabling mouseemu by default on powerpc64 is a good enough workaround for now as far as I'm concerned | 11:17 |
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| Mithrandir | hw-detect accepted. | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | ta | 11:18 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: is d-i going to run with the correct kernel (32/64 bit)? | 11:18 |
| cjwatson | benh: yeah, the ghastly /etc/sysctl.conf-is-different-on-powerpc hack is still in place so 1-button mice won't break anyway | 11:18 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: yes | 11:18 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 11:18 |
| cjwatson | one doesn't work on the other | 11:18 |
| benh | we used to have G5 support on 32 bits ... along time ago :-) we ditched it at least 2 yrs ago | 11:19 |
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| benh | it was a pain to maintain | 11:19 |
| cjwatson | very glad I didn't revert /etc/sysctl.conf to stock now ... | 11:19 |
| benh | btw, out of curiosity, what is the policy for updates vs security ? | 11:23 |
| benh | like feisty-updates vs. feisty-security repos | 11:23 |
| benh | or more specifically, in what circumstances are things updated when it's not a security update ? | 11:24 |
| Mithrandir | when there is "significant breakage". | 11:24 |
| benh | I would suspect... bugs (things don't work) but what is the threshold for a bug to be actually fixed in a release vs. in the next version ? | 11:24 |
| benh | ah ok | 11:24 |
| benh | well, I suppose it's a matter of somebody to decide wether it's significant enough and the fix unintrusive enough then... | 11:25 |
| benh | fair enough | 11:25 |
| Mithrandir | it's always a matter of judgement, but it's for high-impact bugs which can be fixed in a localised fashion and we're reasonably sure it won't break anything else. | 11:25 |
| benh | yup, makes sense | 11:25 |
| benh | I wonder if mplayer not working on most 32 bits powerpc's will be fixed thn ;-) | 11:26 |
| Mithrandir | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates under "When" has the criteria. | 11:26 |
| benh | (it's apparently compiled with an option for using instructions that don't exist on most 32 bits cpus) | 11:26 |
| benh | oh well, we'll see | 11:26 |
| Mithrandir | mplayer is multiverse, so less stringent about updates to it. | 11:27 |
| benh | yeah | 11:27 |
| Mithrandir | it's also not a core component; updates to glibc have to be much more serious than updates to, say, bluez-cups | 11:27 |
| benh | yup | 11:28 |
| benh | ok, have to go, thanks for the workaround ! | 11:28 |
| Mithrandir | see you | 11:28 |
| benh | bye | 11:28 |
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| bdgraue | 2.6.20-15.27 work well, no more problems here, i think | 11:59 |
| bdgraue | if i can do somethink, you have to tell me :-) | 12:06 |
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| cjwatson | bdgraue: great, much appreciatted | 12:53 |
| cjwatson | -t | 12:53 |
| bdgraue | :-) | 12:54 |
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| `sam` | what's the deal with 2.6.20.15.14, i think it's the same as 2.6.20-15.27? i'm trying to explain it to somebody in #ubuntu+1 but don't completely understand it myself | 03:54 |
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| gene6482 | this is a kernel question but it needs support, so if i'm in the wrong place i'm sorry, basically i have a toshiba laptop with sound issues and after some research have learned that my dsdt is buggy, can anyone help me fix it? | 04:22 |
| defendguin | i don't suppose michael bienia is in here? | 04:22 |
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| Nafallo | defendguin: try -motu | 04:45 |
| defendguin | -motu? | 04:45 |
| Nafallo | #ubuntu-motu | 04:45 |
| defendguin | ahh | 04:45 |
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| gortiz | ehm.. sorry, but someone will ever upload also the restricted driver for -15.25?? | 04:47 |
| gortiz | ? | 04:48 |
| gortiz | is there someone? | 04:50 |
| Nafallo | gortiz: some developers haven't had much sleep the last three or four days. please calm down :-) | 04:52 |
| gortiz | sorry Nafallo | 04:52 |
| gortiz | i didn't want to be arrogant | 04:52 |
| Nafallo | it's okey. I'm not one of them ;-) | 04:52 |
| gortiz | ok i ask to forgive me.. | 04:53 |
| gortiz | Nafallo, do you know if they are uploading also the restricted drivers? | 04:53 |
| gortiz | I can't test it withot them.. | 04:53 |
| Nafallo | gortiz: at some point I'm sure they will :-) | 04:53 |
| gortiz | lol Nafallo | 04:53 |
| gortiz | thanks bye | 04:53 |
| Nafallo | they even seems to BE uploaded already :-) | 04:55 |
| Nafallo | gortiz: ^ | 04:55 |
| gortiz | ok so it's my mirror to be outdated.. | 04:55 |
| gortiz | i'll wait the italian mirror to be updated.. :) | 04:56 |
| gortiz | thanks | 04:56 |
| gortiz | ehm.. ok i've controlled.. it's the -15.27 not -15.25 the one i need.. | 05:00 |
| gortiz | i'm on -15.25 and i haven't any problem | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | -15.25 and -15.27 use the same l-r-m | 05:01 |
| Nafallo | -15.20 | 05:02 |
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| MrNOKIA | guys, may i ask what's the diference between linux-headers-2.6.20-13-lowlatency and linux-headers-2.6.20-13-generic | 05:14 |
| gortiz | MrNOKIA, ehm the lowlatency? | 05:15 |
| MrNOKIA | in other words, what is more desirable to have on a dual-core centrino ? | 05:15 |
| gortiz | generic | 05:15 |
| MrNOKIA | the genreric or the low-latency kernel ? | 05:15 |
| MrNOKIA | lowlatency kernels are for slow cpu's ? | 05:16 |
| MrNOKIA | pardon if i'm mistaking | 05:16 |
| gortiz | no, lowlatency are for special uses on computers that need a very lowlatency.. | 05:17 |
| MrNOKIA | like editing audio/video ? | 05:17 |
| gortiz | no | 05:17 |
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| gortiz | MrNOKIA, don't worry i dont think that you need them you can use the generic | 05:18 |
| gortiz | :) | 05:18 |
| gortiz | bye | 05:18 |
| MrNOKIA | thanks | 05:18 |
| gortiz | :) | 05:19 |
| MrNOKIA | i just wanna clarify some issues regarding linux in general | 05:19 |
| MrNOKIA | that's why i asked | 05:19 |
| mjg59 | MrNOKIA: #ubuntu is a better place for support questions | 05:20 |
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| MrNOKIA | thanks mjg59 | 05:21 |
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| defendguin | mjg59: you can close that bug 44615 the fix works | 06:19 |
| defendguin | nevermind i got it | 06:28 |
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| gene6482 | this is a kernel question but it needs support, so if i'm in the wrong place i'm sorry, basically i have a toshiba laptop with sound issues and after some research have learned that my dsdt is buggy, can anyone help me fix it? | 06:36 |
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| pokoko | g'day everyone. In Ubuntu (Linux kernel 2.6.17-11), i think there's a bug where a mounted usb device doesn't get recognised after a suspend/resume. Has this been worked out yet or some solution which I am unaware of ? | 09:14 |
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| blueyed | Bug 106028 is still not fixed, although it's a key feature AFAIK. Not even Importance of the bug has been set.. | 10:01 |
| blueyed | Malone bug 106028 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Kvm not installable in feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106028 | 10:02 |
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| cjwatson | blueyed: people set way too much stock in the Importance field, but yes, that should get fixed; I'll try to see to it tomorrow if nobody beats me to it | 11:24 |
| cjwatson | the number of people complaining about the Importance field there in fact encourages me to leave it unset simply as a demonstration ;-) | 11:25 |
| blueyed | cjwatson: lol, yeah. But OTOH it would be really bad if this showstopper would make it into the RC or final, wouldn't it? | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | "but yes, that should get fixed; I'll try to see to it tomorrow if nobody beats me to it" | 11:26 |
| blueyed | sure. I understand this. But the last time this was brought to IRC the answer was "it will be fixed soonish" (Bug #105263). | 11:27 |
| cjwatson | I don't know what you think you're going to achieve by further haranguing me given that I've already promised to look at it | 11:28 |
| cjwatson | looks like the kvm-api-9 provides change was one of the things that was committed to kernel mainline but not to the -15 branches, so best thing is probably to revert kvm's dependency | 11:29 |
| cjwatson | but, tomorrow | 11:29 |
| BenC | It's in git | 11:34 |
| BenC | it's going to be fixed on the first post-release update | 11:34 |
| cjwatson | BenC: kvm needs to be fixed for release, IMO | 11:35 |
| MrNOKIA | git ? | 11:35 |
| cjwatson | i.e. installable | 11:35 |
| BenC | cjwatson: kvm doesn't even work unless you use universe, so I'd argue it's not that bad? | 11:35 |
| cjwatson | honestly I think it should do Depends: kvm-api-9 | kvm-modules-2 | 11:35 |
| cjwatson | it's a feature we've highlighted in our release notes | 11:36 |
| cjwatson | it's kind of an oversight that it's in universe given that IMO, but I do think it needs to work | 11:36 |
| BenC | cjwatson: do you want me to do another kernel upload to fix it? :) | 11:36 |
| cjwatson | no, I want kvm's dependencies to DTRT with what we've got | 11:36 |
| BenC | or wait for post-RC | 11:36 |
| cjwatson | unless you're saying there is no way a kvm upload can fix it? | 11:36 |
| BenC | cjwatson: it can't, they are broken because the kernel doesn't provide the right modules to work with kvm-18 | 11:37 |
| cjwatson | can we revert kvm then? | 11:37 |
| cjwatson | blow it back with an epoch | 11:37 |
| BenC | we really want kvm-18, but sure, we can downgrade kvm package to kvm-16 | 11:37 |
| cjwatson | I'll look at that tomorrow then | 11:37 |
| BenC | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm | 11:38 |
| BenC | the previous version, 16-1ubuntu1 works with current kernel | 11:38 |
| cjwatson | I don't think another kernel upload for this is likely to be an option unless there are further critical problems | 11:38 |
| BenC | cjwatson: I can do it pretty quickly now, and test it | 11:38 |
| cjwatson | ok, thanks | 11:38 |
| Nafallo | epoch :-/ | 11:38 |
| cjwatson | Nafallo: people get hung up about epochs, but shouldn't | 11:39 |
| cjwatson | BenC: ok, that works too, but it's Sunday so ... | 11:39 |
| Nafallo | well, they are evil :-P | 11:39 |
| BenC | epochs are a dpkg gift above | 11:39 |
| cjwatson | Nafallo: no they aren't | 11:39 |
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| Nafallo | so we might not want to sync with Debian at some point then I take it :-) | 11:39 |
| BenC | cjwatson: good night | 11:39 |
| Nafallo | night. | 11:40 |
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