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h3sp4wnhooray: use linux-bios12:24
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hoorayscarry but ill try it12:25
h3sp4wnDon't just try it without finding a supported board first12:26
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Shaba1Hello all12:36
odathi everyone12:36
odati'm having a strange problem with openoffice-gtk on a fresh install12:36
odatthere aren't any icons appearing in the toolbar12:37
odatthere are words in place of the icons12:37
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aimazhi, using edgy on my laptop the network-admin tool doesn't let me create locations12:40
aimazany ideas how I can enable it?12:40
Grey_LokiHave you tried running gksudo network-admin?12:41
aimazyeah i'm running it as root12:41
Shaba1guys how do I get ram usage on an xubuntu machine12:47
Shaba1and take into account that you are talking to a windwos person12:47
Shaba1windows expert but still windows12:47
Grey_LokiHow do you see how much ram is being used?12:50
Grey_LokiYou could try ps aux, or top12:51
Grey_LokiNot sure if they give the total RAM usage.12:51
grazieShaba1: you can use the 'free' command in a terminal or use the "System Load Monitor" applet12:51
Grey_LokiElse, apt-get install gdesklets, for some eye candy12:51
ricican i use a feisty package on edgy? (specifically gdb-6.6) Is there some magic incantation?12:51
h3sp4wnbackport it12:51
riciwell, that would be one solution12:52
ricii could just build it from source, too :)12:52
MissThow do i run kino as root user?12:53
Grey_LokiMissT, if it's a commandline app, sudo, otherwise, use gksudo12:53
Grey_Loki'sudo kino' or 'gksudo kino'12:53
h3sp4wnrici: Likely to be less messy to just backport it12:53
riciwhich means what exactly?12:54
MissTGrey_Loki, thanks, i'll try that12:54
ricii mean, what might i need to change?12:54
Grey_Loki:)12:54
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h3sp4wnrici: depends if you are lucky then pretty much nothing12:54
h3sp4wnbut you could get in a loop of having to backport newer versions of all sorts of stuff12:55
h3sp4wnapt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename (thats it in its simplest form - presumes you have deb-src lines already in sources.list)12:56
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h3sp4wnanyway is the feisty release candidate released yet ?12:56
ricigdb doesn't have many dependencies12:57
grazieMissT: is kino a kde app? if it is you should use 'kdesu kino' or 'kdesudo kino'. I know not using the right su for some kde apps can cause breakages12:57
h3sp4wnrici: It quite often doesn't work quite that simple but if you compare the existing version with the newer version (the stuff in debian/) its usually quite easy12:58
h3sp4wnrici: I have never compiled it manually - didn't know whether it was tied in to a particular gcc version12:58
ricinope12:59
h3sp4wnsimple then12:59
ricihmm... there's a problem report in the debian page01:01
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Shaba2hello all01:01
ricioh, well. maybe i don't really need it. there must be a workaround01:01
ricii don't want this to turn into a marathon.01:02
Shaba2this is my laptop running x unbuntu01:02
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ricimaybe i'll just download the 6.4 source and add the patch that didn't quite make it into that version01:02
Shaba2Shaba1 is my desktop running windows01:02
Shaba2now how do I get Ram usage on here?01:02
Shaba2hello anyone here?01:03
ricitop01:03
riciin ubuntu01:03
riciin windows, i have no idea01:03
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Shaba1no I meant in xubuntu01:04
gateway_anyone know why openoffice-gtk doesn't work on a fresh install of ubuntu01:04
Grey_LokiShaba1, type 'free' or 'ps aux' or 'top' in a console#01:05
Grey_LokiOr, if you want a GUI output, either load up thesystem monitor panel widget, or apt-get install gdesklets01:05
Shaba1is there a desktop app to do that01:05
Shaba1like a ram gauge or something01:05
Grey_LokiGrey_Loki> Or, if you want a GUI output, either load up thesystem monitor panel widget, or apt-get install gdesklets01:05
Shaba1systems monitor panel01:06
Shaba1hold on let me try to find that01:06
Grey_LokiRight click the panel, and add it01:06
Shaba1trying to find it01:07
Shaba1you knw what menu choice it is under?01:07
Grey_LokiYeah01:08
Grey_LokiThe one you get when you right click the panel.01:08
Grey_Loki'Add new item'01:08
Shaba1Grey_Loki I do not mean to sound dumb01:08
Shaba1but what 'panel'01:08
Grey_LokiThere should be two - one at the top, one at the bottom of your screen01:08
Grey_LokiYou'd know it as a taskbar.01:09
Shaba1Ok now that makes sense01:09
Shaba1:)01:09
Shaba1hold on01:09
Grey_Loki;)01:10
Shaba1Oh I like that01:10
Shaba1although I do not like how much ram I am using01:10
Grey_LokiIf you think that's neat, check out gdesklets.01:10
Grey_LokiJust do a google search for some screenshots01:11
Shaba1hold on01:11
Grey_LokiBe warned though, gdesklets is a bit of a system hog.01:11
Shaba1http://www.lynucs.org/?gdesklets01:12
Shaba1just lookst like backgrounds to me01:12
Grey_LokiShaba1, http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=2&screen_id=36456260445d962dca229b&m=screen01:14
Grey_Lokiin the top right corner, the system graphs. That's a set of gdesklets widgets.01:14
Shaba1ah I see01:17
Merchelo!gibbon01:18
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule01:18
Grey_LokiWoah, already?01:18
Grey_LokiFeisty only came out a few days ago01:18
Merchelohappened today, and fiesty is scheduled for the 19th afaik01:18
Grey_LokiI thought it was out already :S01:19
Grey_LokiUbuntu studio is due for release on the 19th, ithink01:19
MercheloUbuntu studio ?01:19
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Grey_LokiAn A/V production distro01:20
Grey_LokiKinda like Planet CCRMA01:21
Shaba1Grey_Loki you would not know of a small footprint spreadsheet and/or database for xubuntu like Abiword is for wordprocessing01:21
Shaba1I installed open office01:21
Grey_LokiShaba1, i'm afraid not - I only use OOo01:21
Shaba1but that is taking up to much space on my 10 gig partiton01:21
Grey_LokiTake a look in synaptic for something01:21
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Shaba1and with the 192mb of ram I got it slows everything down01:21
Grey_LokiBecause IIRC, it's java based, or something01:22
Grey_LokiCan't remember exactly01:22
Shaba1right now with NOTHING running except xchat I am using 142 of 186MB01:22
Shaba1I thought xubuntu was suppose to be small footprint01:23
Grey_LokiHow much is xchat using?01:23
h3sp4wnit is (with a command line install) otherwise there are hundreds of daemons you don't want01:24
Shaba1I have no idea01:24
Shaba1how can I find out01:24
Shaba1??01:24
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Grey_LokiShaba1, run ps aux | grep xchat01:26
Grey_LokiThird number in is RAM usage01:26
Shaba1I get this01:27
Shaba14489 0.1 7.8 92168 14976 ? sl 15:46 0:02 xchat01:28
Grey_Loki7.8MB RAM.01:28
Shaba1and on a second line01:28
Grey_LokiSecond one is how much the command 'grep xchat' is taking01:29
Shaba14721 o.o 0.3 2796 748 pts/l R+ 16:27 );00 grep xchat01:29
riciGrey_Loki: that's actually 7.8% i think01:30
Grey_Lokirici, so it is - well spotted, heh01:30
ricithe fifth number is the amount of memory actually in use, in K01:30
ricithe fourth number is the amount it might use if it were absolutely alone on the system01:30
riciit's not easy to interpret memory usage on unix01:31
Grey_Loki14MB of RAM?01:31
Grey_LokiI wonder if there's a way to switch ps from displaying usage in KB to MB.01:31
Shaba1so its taking 15MB01:32
riciwhat i'd like to know is why xfce-menu-plug is using 112 MB resident01:32
Shaba1the what is that 149mb that the sysmemes monitor is saying is in use?01:32
ricithat seems excessive somehow01:32
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Shaba1that is what it says01:34
Shaba1149 of 186 mb in use01:34
riciShaba1: no, i was talking about my system01:34
ricithat's normal01:34
Grey_LokiShaba1, that would be the total usage of everything01:34
ricilinux basically uses all the memory all the time01:34
riciand why not?01:34
riciit's there01:34
Shaba1ah ok01:34
ricieverything that isn't used by programs is used as a file cache01:34
ricithe widget shows you the part that isn't holding file buffers01:35
Shaba1and it lessens its own memmory usage as other apps are loaded?01:35
riciwhich doesn't really mean anything, but it might give you some sense of security watching it go up and down01:35
riciyeah, the file buffers are optional01:35
ricibut they speed things up a lot if you use the same file a lot and the system guesses right about which content to keep01:35
Shaba1ah ok01:36
Shaba1I am learning something new then01:36
ricialso, ps aux doesn't show you another important number: the amount of that memory which is shared with other apps01:37
riciif you look at top, you'll see three columns related to memory:01:37
ricivirtual, resident, and shared01:38
ricithey're abbreviated, but you should be able to figure it out01:38
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ricivirtual is pretty well meaningless01:38
riciresident is what the app is actually using, on average over the last short bit of time01:38
ricishared is the amount of that which is also being used by other apps, such as shared objects (dlls) and other resources which can be shared01:39
riciso when you add up all the resident figures, they'll come out to a lot more than the amount of memory in use, because the shared memory is really shared.01:39
ricihope that helps a bit01:39
ricilike i say, interpreting memory usage numbers is a bit of a black art01:39
neozenquestion all ... where can I see which packages are included in the standard install of xubuntu feisty and a list of packages available in the feisty repositories?01:39
grazieneozen: >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/01:42
riciso i'm still wondering, why is xfce-menu-plug using 112M of ram?01:42
neozengrazie: thankee01:42
riciand what can i do about it short of restarting X, which would be a bit inconvenient atm01:42
neozenrici: lol01:45
neozenrici: I stopped paying attention to how much ram things use in a gui environment01:45
neozenrici: one of the joys of having 1gb of ram01:45
riciwell, yeah, but i actually notice this as an issue01:45
ricithe menu is really sluggish opening01:45
neozenrici: Ic01:46
ricii think it's a memory leak in xfce-menu-plug01:46
neozenrici: that... would suck01:46
neozenrici: I don't even have the xfce-menu on my panel01:47
neozenrici: I just right click on my desktop and get the menu01:47
neozen(xubuntu dapper)01:47
ricisame program01:47
neozenrici: ....not for me01:48
neozenrici: doesn't even appear to be running01:48
riciah, you're right.01:49
ricii ditched it, put it back, and the memory usage went down to almost nothing01:49
riciwell, that solved that one01:49
ricithanks01:49
ricii still think it's a memory leak.01:49
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neozengrazie: that link you gave me doesn't seem to say WHICH repository a certain package is included in01:51
neozengrazie: I'm looking for xfce4-notes-plugin01:51
neozengrazie: it doesn't seem to be in the dapper repository... and I'm wondering if its in the edgy or feisty repos01:52
Shaba1Ok guys here is something I really need help on01:54
Shaba1xubuntu on my laptop just went to the screen saver01:54
Shaba1whenever it does that the screen saver lockes the whole machine01:54
ricineozen: xfce*4*-notes-plugin01:54
Shaba1and the only way I can get back is to power off and power back one01:54
Shaba1that does not happen with windows01:55
neozenrici: yeah01:55
ricihttp://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/xfce4-notes-plugin01:55
neozenrici: sans asterisks01:55
neozenoh wait... there it is... in the url01:55
neozen....this is one seriously off day01:56
neozenlol01:56
hooraymy northbridge is not supported, only south...maybe one day, sweet linuxbios...hespawn are you running it?01:56
ricithere's a search tool in the link grazie posted01:56
neozenyeah.. I see it now01:57
neozen......arg01:57
neozenfear a man with too little sleep01:58
neozenhe will cause you endless headaches01:58
Shaba1Ok I just shut it down01:59
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neozenoh well.. guess I'll just install feisty in 4 days....02:01
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riciShaba1: you might need to load linux without apci, or otherwise fiddle around with things02:02
riciapci is very flakey on older laptops02:02
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Shaba1its brand new02:05
Shaba1well 10 months ago02:05
Shaba1but I will google for apci and linux02:06
ricihuh. here's the bug report from gcc-l, september 2000: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/gdb/2000-09/msg00116.html02:08
ricithe patch seems to have been committed in mid-200602:08
ricibut not in time to get into 6.4.9002:08
ricis/gcc/gdb/02:08
ricii'm tired, too.02:08
ricithat seems like a long time between report and fix.02:08
ricimaybe people don't use gdb user-defined commands very offten02:09
neozenrici: I have enough fun with the ones they define02:09
ricii want to call a function when a breakpoint goes off02:10
ricii do that a lot, so i thought it would be handy to define a command to set a breakpoint with that command02:10
riciprobably like the guy who reported the issue in 200002:10
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neozenhow would one get the text on startup/shutdown to show up with an install of xubuntu edgy as it did with xubuntu dapper?02:12
neozenI always dug the dapper graphical startup02:12
neozennew one's too boring ::grins::02:13
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snarferWhy can't my gcc create executables?02:20
neozenwho's good w/ xchat?02:20
snarferI'm OK with it02:20
neozenclicking on links doesn't open them in a browser02:21
snarferTry right clicking on them02:21
neozenbrowser is firefox 2.0.0.302:21
neozensnarfer: right clicking then selecting "open in browser" doesn't work either02:21
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snarfero.o02:21
vipwoodyHello People! Need Help02:21
neozenand yes.... xfce knows which browser to use02:21
vipwoodyneed help please02:22
riciyou've tried 911?02:22
vipwoodyyeah, they couldn't help :(02:22
ricidid you tell them what your problem was?02:23
snarferneozen, That's strange. Possibly in preferences -> URL handlers02:23
vipwoodyyeah, I told them... they told me to contact you :)02:23
riciis xchat aware of xfce preferences?02:23
riciit works in gaim02:23
snarferInside of xchat02:23
snarferSettings -> advanced -> URL handler02:24
Shaba1damn I need to log this02:24
neozensnarfer: awesome02:24
snarfer!firefox02:24
ubotufirefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins02:24
snarfero.o02:24
neozensnarfer: just the information I was looking for02:24
snarferThat was accidental02:25
snarfer:/02:25
snarferThough, I am wondering why my gcc can't output executables?02:25
riciit's not configured right02:25
ricior maybe it isn't even there02:25
ricididn't we do this yesterday?02:26
vipwoodyI am a new Linux User, Im fed up with Windows Vista thats why I'm trying to make a change and move to Linux. I saw Ubuntu, and Fiesty Fawn as a new release. I downloaded it, and I am trying it right now. It is really amazing, I like it a lot. But since I am new to Linux, I need some help concerning the "nVidia driver" download + install. I have a GeForce 4 VGA, and I need its driver for the effects to work. Any help is appreciated. Thanks02:26
vipwoodyPS: I am on Live CD right now02:27
snarferAre you looking for Ubuntu or Xubuntu help?02:27
neozensnarfer: how might I edit the default behavior for left clicking on a link?02:27
snarferneozen, I am not sure02:27
snarferSorry.02:27
vipwoodysnarfer, ubuntu02:27
snarfer#ubuntu for you then ;)02:28
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DJAnubishey02:28
vipwoodyah :P02:28
vipwoodyso you can't help me?02:28
snarferYeah, just for future reference02:28
DJAnubishow does I turnded offz teh screensaver,lol?02:28
snarferThis is the Xubuntu support channel02:28
Shaba1Well my screen freezes so badly on the sceren save02:28
Shaba1I have to power down and start up again02:29
DJAnubisyeah, I really don't want to have it there :P02:29
DJAnubisbut...is there a way to not have it?02:29
Shaba1I have no idea DJAnubis02:29
vipwoodysnarfer, okay thanks02:29
Shaba1I am a linux newbie myself02:29
DJAnubisI just installed a new mobo and a new CPU, so I'm a bit confused :P02:30
snarfervipwoody, one sec02:30
DJAnubisI have windows, but it shuts down everytime I start up02:30
snarferhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards02:30
DJAnubisso, I went over to my xubuntu setup :P02:30
DJAnubisworks fine with cubuntu :D02:30
snarferhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsNvidia02:30
Qewvipwoody: Read this carefully: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy02:30
snarferThere you go vipwoody02:30
riciShaba1: you can turn the screensaver off if you can't fix it any other way02:32
riciare you using edgy? for some reason the screensaver control panel isn't in the menu list02:33
riciapplications | settings | settings manager02:33
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ricigives you the complete set of control panels02:33
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snarfer!wiki InstallCompilers02:35
snarferhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingCompilers?highlight=%28compile%2902:36
snarferThat's what I was looking for02:36
neozento install a compiler... just install build-essential02:39
neozen...that'll install the most uptodate versions of just about everything you might need to build something from source02:39
riciwell, not everything02:39
neozenprovided its c or c++02:39
ricibut it's enough to get you started02:39
neozenlol02:39
riciit only gives you essential headers02:40
neozenfor java..... just install the jdk off sun's site.. and make links in /usr/bin02:40
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neozen...now I just need to figure out how to lie to aptitude so it doesn't keep trying to install the gcj-based java every time I try to install ant02:40
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Shaba1ok guys02:41
Shaba1wherever I start xubuntu02:41
neozendon't forget girls!02:42
neozenlol02:42
Shaba1gedit,a terminal window and xchat open up02:42
neozenok02:42
Shaba1helo neozen02:42
Shaba1:)02:42
Shaba1how do I stop that02:42
Shaba1I mean it would be nice if that is what I wanted02:42
Shaba1but its not right now02:42
neozenShaba1: you've got a saved session somewhere02:42
neozen...and it keeps loading that saved session02:42
Shaba1ok how do I unsave it02:43
BFTDhrm02:43
BFTDyo all02:43
neozenShaba1: gah.. I forget02:44
neozenShaba1: involves whacking out created files in a hidden directory within your home02:44
Shaba1and most of all how do I stop the screen saver from freezing the laptop02:44
neozenShaba1: lol.....02:44
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Shaba1that is what is most irritation02:44
neozenShaba1: the freezing might be due to a graphics card problem02:44
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neozenShaba1: have you installed the proper driver for your video card?02:45
Shaba1it means I constanly have to watch the laptop or the screen save will start and then freeze02:45
Shaba1its a graphic chip02:45
Shaba1I think its a via unichrome pro or something liek that02:45
Shaba1I had to find it on the net to get the most recent ones for the windows side02:45
neozenShaba1: yeah... go into the screensaver settings02:46
neozenShaba1: you'll find them in the settings-manager02:46
neozenShaba1: and just shut off the screensaver02:47
neozenShaba1: linux seems to work best with intel nvidia and ati cards02:47
neozenShaba1: since the majority of computers use those chipsets02:47
cellofellowvia works ok too02:48
neozenvia?02:48
neozendon't know of them02:48
cellofellowVIA02:49
Shaba1Ok neozen I just tried that02:49
Shaba1and the whole laptop locked02:49
neozenShaba1: oh joy02:49
cellofellowthey make like all the chips you can think of. Graphics, CPU, sound, etc.02:49
Shaba1the only reason I am talking to you is that I am here on winodws on my desktop02:49
cellofellowmotherboards02:49
cellofellowbig on motherboards02:49
Shaba1you notice the shaba2 left02:50
riciyou tried what?02:50
Shaba1that was me on the laptop on xubutu02:50
cellofellowis that you too?02:50
riciinstalling a different driver, or turning off the screensaver?02:50
neozenShaba1: great........ makes sense since part of the screensaver window attempts to display a shrunk down version of the screensaver in its window..... you might need to do research to find out where xscreensaver stores whether it should run02:50
Shaba1I tried going to the settings-manager and turning off the screen save02:50
Shaba1and the laptop locked02:50
Shaba1so I powered it down02:51
riciln02:51
neozenShaba1: yeah.... like I said... that makes sense02:51
riciyuk02:51
neozenShaba1: if the screensaver ticks off your screensaver ... so will the settings window02:51
cellofellowxscreensaver has a daemon started at login by xfce.02:51
neozenShaba1: research how to turn off the screensaver from the terminal only02:51
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snarfer!mysql02:51
ubotuLAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)02:51
neozenShaba1: it'll come down to editing the right file in the right place02:51
cellofellowkillall xscreensaver should do it.02:52
cellofellowtemporarily02:52
neozenShaba1: man xflock and man xscreensaver should tell you what's up02:52
Shaba1oK trying it again02:52
snarfer!screenshot02:55
ubotuScreenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.02:55
snarfer*sigh*02:55
cellofellowtry the screenshooter applet02:56
cellofellowor scrot02:56
snarferapt-get install scrot?02:57
snarferyup02:57
snarferthanks02:57
cellofellowyeah02:57
cellofellowit's a command line util02:58
snarferwhere'd the screenie go D:02:58
cellofellow/home/yourname/scrot_something-to-do-with-date02:58
cellofellowcool tip: command line screenies can be made with fbgrab03:00
neozencellofellow: I just use the screenshot panel applet from xfce03:01
neozenlooks like a camera03:01
cellofellownot all command lines, just the framebuffer-powered console, tty's.03:01
neozenaaahhh03:02
cellofellowI mentioned that. the screenshooter applet.03:02
neozenlol...03:02
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neozenso the PrtSc button actually works in linux03:07
neozenlol03:07
cellofellowI never actually got it working.03:08
snarfer!php03:10
ubotuLAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)03:10
snarfer!lex03:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:10
cellofellowwhat about tex?03:10
cellofellowor is that not what you were looking for?03:11
snarferNo03:11
snarferIt's a PHP5 dep03:12
neozen..wtf is #ducksex?03:14
neozenlol03:14
riciis it something like duck typing? If it looks like a sex and quacks like a sex...03:15
neozenLOL03:16
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snarferYou wouldn't understand if you lurked in #adium long enough03:16
snarfer:P03:16
snarferSo don't CTCP my nick03:17
neozenum... me whois'd03:17
neozenlol03:17
neozen!adium03:17
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about adium - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:17
neozenaaah03:18
neozenlol03:18
snarfer..................03:20
snarferPlease note how I referenced a channel03:21
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Shaba1Ok03:22
Shaba1I did a man xscreenserver03:22
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Shaba1but did not see anywhere in there to shut it off03:22
neozenanyone do any poking @ beagle lately?03:22
neozenlooks kind of interesting03:22
neozenmight stick it on the mum's computer03:23
neozenshe seems to lose a lot of stuff03:23
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neozenand the room goes dead03:26
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neozenhelp! I think I killed the room!03:27
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Shaba1nopew I am still here03:30
Shaba1but I still need to know how to turn off that damn screen saver03:30
Shaba1from the termineal03:30
Shaba1and how to stop whatever stores seesion I have03:30
neozenShaba1: well... I'm not doing anything right now03:30
neozen(having an extremely lazy day)03:31
neozenI'll help in research03:31
riciyou might look at ~/.xscreensaver03:31
Shaba1I did that03:32
riciand?03:32
Shaba1I did a man xscreensavers03:32
Shaba1it told me everythign except how to shut on off03:32
neozenlol03:33
ricikillall xscreensaver    ?03:33
ricimaybe03:33
Shaba1all kinds of stuff03:33
neozentry setting the timeout to something like 99 hours03:33
Shaba1how03:33
neozenthat should be good enough03:33
neozen...03:33
Shaba1if whenever I sart that applet the laptop freezes03:33
neozenyou should see a timeout entry in ~/.xscreensaver03:33
Shaba1how am I even suppose to set the timeout03:34
riciedit the file and change the number03:34
neozen..........the proper line in ~/.xscreensaver03:34
neozenlol03:34
neozenShaba1: don't do much manual configuration of linux do you03:34
Shaba1this all did not start until I tried to change from the default xubuntu blocks screen saver03:34
Shaba1NO I do not neozen03:34
riciah, which screen saver did you switch to?03:34
Shaba1I am a windows net admin03:34
neozenusually there are two ways to do everything03:35
riciat least03:35
Shaba1Which means the linux is totally new to me03:35
neozengui.... which seems to not have all of the options03:35
riciyeah, editing text files is not the windows way03:35
ricithink of them as .ini's03:35
Shaba1yes it is03:35
neozenand editing some text file somewhere.... which A always works if you've done it properly and B is universal for different distros03:35
Shaba1but window start up scripts are different03:35
Shaba1Just sayign Oh well do this03:35
neozen*versions of the same distro03:35
Shaba1is ASSuming the person has the first idea where to start03:36
riciyeah, the linux/X11 config system is a mess03:36
neozen...redhat and debian/ubuntu store things in different spots03:36
neozenrici: I'll agree with you there03:36
neozenrici: a huge pile of short text files03:36
riciand the things which distros do to make the gui's work just exacerbate the problem03:36
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riciit almost makes the registry look like a good idea03:36
riciin fact, my main issue with the registry is that it lacks comments03:36
Shaba1I mean someone told me on this channel to copy and past a file from a terminal to a xchat window03:37
ricithe one really nice thing about unix traditional config files is that they usually come stuffed full of comments telling you how you might change them.03:37
Shaba1well that ASSuming that I know how copy and paste work in linux03:37
riciof course, the autogenerated ones in ubuntu/debian don't have those anyway.03:37
riciShaba1: copy and paste works just like windows03:38
Shaba1in windows its a ctrl-c ctrl-v03:38
Shaba1thats it03:38
Shaba1Nope I tried that its now03:38
Shaba1not03:38
riciwith which editor?03:38
riciit doesn't work with vim03:38
Shaba1seee03:38
ricivim is a world of it's own. however, it has menu items for cut,copy and paste03:38
riciit works fine with mousepad, though, which is the default editor03:39
Shaba1See you just mentioned 3 differnt editors03:40
Shaba1in windows Ctrl-C,Ctrl-V works everywhere03:40
Shaba1not matter what program you are using03:40
ricii mentioned two editors03:41
ricivim and mousepad03:41
ricii think ctrl-c ctrl-v works with pretty well every visual editor except vim03:41
Shaba1ok two03:41
ricibut i don't use xemacs, so it might not work there either.03:41
ricifwiw, ctrl-c ctrl-v doesn't work with the windows port of vim either03:42
Shaba1my point was that you cannot just assume that as person knows how to do even the simplest things03:42
ricii don't03:42
ricii'm an ex-help-desk person03:42
ricii assume that people need to have their hands held03:42
Shaba1They may seem obvious to you because you do them all the time03:42
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Shaba1OH i fell sorry for you then rici03:42
DJAnubishey, I needz som halp03:42
Shaba1My idea of hell is going back to working help desk03:42
DJAnubisI'm trying to backup some stuff from my windows hard drive before I reinstall...I can't boot up windows at all, so I'm trying to use this to back stuff up03:43
DJAnubishow can I make it so I can see everything in my file system?03:43
riciShaba1: i enjoyed it03:45
ricibut that was a long time ago03:45
ricithis is why i hang out on irc and answer questions if i can.03:45
ricithe advantage to doing it as a volunteer over being paid for it, is that i can be cynical and snarky, and chose the questions i feel like answering03:45
Shaba1well I do help  for windows as a side line03:45
riciand ignore people who irritate me03:45
Shaba1but NOT using chat03:45
Shaba1or the phone03:45
riciluxuries you don't have when you're being paid for it.03:46
Shaba1I do remote control03:46
Shaba1and if they person does not want me in their comptuer then too bad I cannot help them03:46
DJAnubislike, help03:46
ricii used to do it over the phone long distance in three languages, only two of which i spoke well.03:46
DJAnubisplease?03:46
riciit just takes practice03:46
DJAnubisI just want to disable the hidden stuff03:46
neozenwhat gives with help buttons in xfce?03:47
neozennone of them seem to work03:47
DJAnubisI want to back up my other HD, how do I enable seeing it?03:47
ricineozen: i think the urls are wrong03:47
neozenah03:47
neozenthey going to fix that in feisty?03:48
DJAnubisbloody hell, bbl03:48
neozen...huge annoyance for new users03:48
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neozenand one of the biggest complaints from my clients03:48
neozenlo03:48
neozenl03:48
neozenmy excuse has been ... "hey... you said minimal!"03:48
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DJAnubiscan I please get help?03:49
DJAnubiskindof in a hurry03:49
neozenDJAnubis: ok...03:49
neozenDJAnubis: gotcha03:49
neozenDJAnubis: what kind of filesystem?03:49
DJAnubisI think it should be FAT3203:49
neozenDJAnubis: ok03:49
DJAnubisit may be NTFS03:50
neozenDJAnubis: have you got it mounted yet?03:50
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DJAnubisyeah, it's NTFS I think03:50
DJAnubismost likely03:50
DJAnubisI can't see anything in /mnt though03:50
neozenDJAnubis: look in /media...03:50
neozenDJAnubis: stuff is mounted in media within ubuntu's03:50
whitelampyo, how do i check what ports I have open?03:50
neozenDJAnubis: you should also see an icon on the desktop if it's an external drive03:51
DJAnubisit's an internal one03:51
neozenDJAnubis: ah03:51
neozenDJAnubis: well ... you need to know its filesystem03:51
DJAnubisand it said it existed in /mst/hdb03:51
neozenDJAnubis: mst?03:51
DJAnubis...opps03:51
DJAnubishold on03:51
DJAnubisgah, stupid / commands!!! /mnt/hdb03:52
whitelampHow do I check what ports are open in Xubuntu 6.06?03:52
neozenah03:52
riciwhitelamp: netstat -ltu03:52
neozenthanks rici03:52
crimsunI'd add -n03:52
neozenDJAnubis: open a new thunar window03:52
riciif the localaddress show up as localhost, it's only available on the machine03:52
crimsunno real to preform name resolution03:52
DJAnubisgot one03:52
neozenDJAnubis: and browse to /mnt/hdb03:52
crimsunreal need, even03:52
whitelampso netstat -ltu in xterm?03:52
whitelampas root03:53
whitelampright?03:53
riciyeah, or as crimsun says -ltun03:53
riciyou don't need to be root03:53
whitelampok, will try now03:53
DJAnubisI can't browse there03:53
riciif you want to see which program has it open, you do need to be root and you use -plunt03:53
neozenDJAnubis: why not... which error message does it throw?03:53
DJAnubisthat's what I'm trying to get to, but there's nothing in the folder, and I know there's stuff there03:53
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DJAnubisno error message03:53
ricimy favorite one is -puta03:54
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neozenDJAnubis: what did you use to mount the disk?03:54
DJAnubisthere's just a nothing03:54
Shaba1neozen you come up with anything03:54
neozenShaba1: I told you which file to edit... and which line to change03:54
DJAnubisum, I didn't "mount the disk", I don't know how to do HDs03:54
neozenShaba1: edit ~/.xscreensaver and change the entry for timeout03:54
whitelampdoes the netstat -ltu cmd show open udp ports? Im only seeing tcp...03:55
neozenShaba1: looks like timeout hh:mm:ss03:55
DJAnubislol, opps03:55
neozenDJAnubis: yeah.... ok then03:55
DJAnubisget back to me when I call again, I'm an idiot03:55
DJAnubisI completely misled myself03:55
neozenDJAnubis: that's why I asked you about whether you mounted it or not03:55
DJAnubisno, it said it was device /dev/hdb03:56
neozenDJAnubis: remove that directory in /mnt03:56
DJAnubisnot /mnt03:56
riciwhitelamp: yes, the 'u' is for udp03:56
neozenDJAnubis: it's useless03:56
ricithe t is for tcp, and the l is for listen03:56
DJAnubisdon't instruct me, please03:56
DJAnubisgo away for a minute03:56
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neozenDJAnubis: lol03:56
rici'n' is "numbers only" and 'p' is "processes"03:56
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ricithere are a bunch more03:56
neozenum... you came here lol03:56
DJAnubisokay03:57
neozenready to listen?03:57
DJAnubiswhat can I open the device with?03:57
neozenDJAnubis: get to a terminal03:57
Shaba203:57
Shaba2ggg03:57
DJAnubisokay03:58
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neozenDJAnubis: cd /media03:58
neozenDJAnubis: sudo mkdir otherdrive03:59
DJAnubisotherdrive?03:59
Shaba1neozen you come up with anything03:59
Shaba1?03:59
neozenShaba1: just told you.... if you keep disconnecting... you'll never see the answer03:59
Shaba1ok what was it04:00
neozenShaba1: scroll up... I'm currently helping someone else currently04:00
neozenDJAnubis: yeah04:00
DJAnubisalright04:00
neozenDJAnubis: you can call it anything you want04:00
Shaba1I was not discoing just looking at breast on video chat04:00
neozenDJAnubis: just remember the name04:00
neozenShaba1: ::blinks::04:00
DJAnubisit'sn now known as "OTHERDRIVE" lol, the otherdrive pwns all04:00
Shaba1neozen that will not change to the screensave I want though04:01
DJAnubisthen, do I mount /dev/hdb on /media/otherdrive?04:01
Shaba1I would LIKE to go back to the old red bricks one04:01
Shaba1which was not casuing my any problem04:02
Shaba1this but thing I previewed has taken over04:02
Shaba1I cannot change it04:02
neozenDJAnubis: sudo mount -t ntfs -r /dev/hdb /media/otherdrive04:02
Shaba1or stop it04:02
neozenShaba1: this is what happens when you do stupid things with an off brand video card in X04:03
neozenShaba1: ::shrugs::04:03
DJAnubismount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /media/otherdrive busy04:03
Shaba1hey the laptop was free and brand new04:03
Shaba1what was I suppose to do say no??04:03
neozenDJAnubis: are you sure you sudo'd04:03
neozenShaba1: lol04:03
DJAnubisyeah04:03
DJAnubishmm04:03
DJAnubisyaeh04:04
DJAnubisI did04:04
neozenDJAnubis: stick the output of mount in a pastebin04:04
neozen!pastebin04:04
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)04:04
riciShaba1: do you see a line "mode: " in .xscreensaver?04:04
DJAnubisk04:04
ricitry changing that to "mode: blank"04:04
neozenrici: nice... didn't know that ::makes a note::04:04
neozenlol04:04
ricii don't know if it will work04:04
rici:)04:05
DJAnubishttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15724/04:05
neozen....strange04:05
whitelampOk, i solved the network problem.04:05
neozenlol04:05
DJAnubiswhat's strange?04:06
whitelampIt seems that unlike 6.10, 6.06 does not allow rapid presses of the backspace or space key. wtf?04:06
whitelampanyone got this prob?04:06
whitelampanyone else*04:06
neozenDJAnubis: that output says that /dev/hdb isn't already mounted04:06
neozenwhitelamp: nope... I haven't noticed that04:06
neozenwhitelamp: I run dapper04:07
DJAnubisyeah04:07
DJAnubisthat's wierd04:07
DJAnubisI use dapper as well :D04:07
neozenDJAnubis: fear not... I'm thinking04:07
whitelampim on 6.06.104:07
whitelampdamn.04:07
DJAnubissounds like feisty?04:07
neozenDJAnubis: go into the main system menu04:07
neozenwhitelamp: 6.06.1 is dapper04:07
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DJAnubiswhat's in the main system menu04:08
neozenDJAnubis: the application menu...04:08
DJAnubisyeah, what about it04:08
neozenDJAnubis: under system04:08
whitelamplol04:08
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whitelamp"diagnoal cutters"04:08
neozenlol04:09
neozen....I'm back sorry about that04:09
DJAnubis(22:08:28) neozen: DJAnubis: under system04:09
neozenDJAnubis: click disks04:09
DJAnubisalready have that open :P04:10
neozenDJAnubis: great04:10
neozenDJAnubis: that's probably why mount is getting pissy04:10
DJAnubisaah04:10
DJAnubisso, close this and repeat mount?04:10
neozenDJAnubis: the disks-admin is a front end to mount I think04:10
neozenDJAnubis: no... you should be able to just use this04:10
neozenDJAnubis: you can see the disk in disk-admin right?04:11
DJAnubisno, I can't do anything but look here04:11
neozenDJAnubis: yes you can....04:11
DJAnubisyeah04:11
neozenDJAnubis: click the disk04:11
neozenDJAnubis: click the partition tab04:11
DJAnubisI think I did it, hold on, lemmie see04:12
neozenDJAnubis: just to the right of the properties tab04:12
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neozenDJAnubis: lol... ok04:13
nraicHi, im getting permission denied when trying to output a terminal command to a text file04:14
nraicWhy could this be happing?04:14
neozenwhitelamp: those are diagonal cutters... you know.. those things you use to strip the plastic coating off electrical wires or clip said wires04:14
DJAnubisman04:15
neozenwhitelamp: its a quit message I've had since...... a hell of a long time back04:15
neozenDJAnubis: what... you get it working?04:15
DJAnubisI made it point to otherdrive, enabled it, but it's not doing anything :P04:15
neozenDJAnubis: guess the drive is blank then04:15
DJAnubisit's not bloody blank man04:15
DJAnubisI use it every day04:15
neozenDJAnubis: lol04:16
whitelampWoot! fixed the key problem!04:16
whitelamp...What is bounce keys?04:16
neozenDJAnubis: well..... then it isn't really mounted or enabled04:16
DJAnubisit's /dev/hdb1, ha, I see04:16
neozenDJAnubis: yeah04:16
neozenDJAnubis: that's what I said isn't it?04:17
neozenDJAnubis: lol04:17
DJAnubishmm04:17
neozenDJAnubis: if not... my mistake mon.... its been a long day04:17
DJAnubisit's permission denied04:17
DJAnubis:(04:17
neozenDJAnubis: this is just a temporary thing right?04:17
DJAnubiswhat is?04:17
neozenDJAnubis: you're just going to mount it once?04:17
neozenDJAnubis: back it up... then be done with it?04:17
DJAnubisyeah, then rip it, then reinstall04:18
DJAnubisyup04:18
neozenDJAnubis: coo...04:18
neozenDJAnubis: from a terminal: sudo thunar04:18
neozenDJAnubis: that'll run thunar as root ... so be very careful with the delete button04:18
DJAnubisfoxx@foxx-desktop:/media$ sudo thunar04:18
DJAnubisThunar: Failed to connect to the D-BUS session bus: No reply within specified time04:18
DJAnubislol04:18
neozenDJAnubis: wow04:18
neozenDJAnubis: you're boned04:19
neozenlol04:19
whitelampwhat is the comand to mount a usb drive?04:19
neozenwhitelamp: are you in xubuntu gui?04:19
whitelampyes04:19
neozenwhitelamp: you should see the drive pop up on the desktop04:19
whitelampnot showing up under thunar04:19
whitelampor the desktop04:19
neozenwhitelamp: hmmmmmmmm04:19
DJAnubisman, how the hell do I get denied access!04:19
neozenDJAnubis: your drive is bad... your bus is wonked... or you've done something very unauthorized to your kernel...... or... its just not happy04:20
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neozenwhitelamp: not much luck with drives these days04:20
DJAnubisYES04:20
DJAnubisI GOT IT04:20
neozenwhitelamp: what filesystem is on the drive?04:20
neozenDJAnubis: lol04:20
whitelampfat 16 or 3204:21
neozenwhitelamp: strange04:21
neozenwhitelamp: that should show up04:21
whitelamp...04:21
DJAnubisyou have to do "sudo thunar /media/otherdrive"04:21
neozenwhitelamp: sometimes it takes hal a bit to notice04:21
neozenwhitelamp: give it 30 secs or so04:21
whitelampalright.04:21
neozenwhitelamp: after you plug it in04:21
DJAnubisoh man, I'm gonna have to pick my bloody files stingily04:22
neozenI really wish linux would thunk like windows when you insert a drive so you know its actually in04:22
DJAnubisthere's 14 GB of stuff I want04:23
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neozenDJAnubis: just buy an external drive04:23
DJAnubisonly 11 of that do I need, but I only have space for...wow, that's terrible04:23
DJAnubisOH04:23
whitelampnope not showing up04:23
neozenDJAnubis: format it with fat3204:23
DJAnubismy dad has a 300GB!04:23
DJAnubispwn04:23
neozenDJAnubis: and it'll just pop up when you insert it into xubuntu04:23
DJAnubishold on04:23
neozenwhitelamp: are you on feisty?04:23
whitelampno04:24
whitelamp6.0604:24
whitelamp.104:24
neozenwhitelamp: damn04:24
neozenlol04:24
whitelampdamn straight.04:24
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neozenwhitelamp: are you sure its plugged in04:24
neozenlol04:24
whitelampyep04:24
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whitelampi'm try another port04:25
neozenwhitelamp: good thinking04:25
neozenwhitelamp: sometimes one's burned out04:25
whitelampits one of those smartu3 drives04:25
neozenwhitelamp: or in the case of my junior college.... someone's stuck gum in it04:25
whitelampu3 usb drive04:25
neozenwhitelamp: the dern thing should just pop up04:26
neozenwhitelamp: does it for me all the time04:26
whitelampnot for me...04:26
whitelampdamn!04:26
whitelampstill not working04:26
whitelampworks on windows fine.04:26
neozenwhitelamp: remember... sometimes it takes a bit for hald to notice the drive04:26
whitelamphald?04:27
neozenhardware abstraction layer daemon...04:27
whitelampbetter check what services are running...brb04:27
neozenwhitelamp: lol04:27
neozenwhitelamp: hald is running04:27
neozenwhitelamp: or linux wouldn't be loading04:28
whitelamp...lol04:28
neozenwhitelamp: hald's kind of important04:28
whitelampwhoops04:28
whitelampneozen: still not working04:28
neozenwhitelamp: get to a terminal and type dmesg04:28
neozenwhitelamp: look at the last few lines04:29
DJAnubisomg04:29
neozenwhitelamp: you should see something regarding a drive being noticed04:29
neozenwhitelamp: or a ton of errors04:29
DJAnubiswhat's the copy command in command line?04:29
neozenDJAnubis: cp04:29
neozenDJAnubis: just use thunar to copy04:30
neozenDJAnubis: it'll be easier for you04:30
DJAnubisman, I'm gonna have to see about copying something command line04:30
DJAnubisno dude, I can't use thunar, it's all permission denied04:30
neozenDJAnubis: lol... if thunar is permission denied.... cp will be denied too04:30
riciit will be the permissions on the hard drive, no?04:31
whitelampneozen: yep, bunch of errors throughout the whole thing04:31
DJAnubisno04:31
neozenwhitelamp: well then... your drive might be going kaboom04:31
whitelampneozen: Apci errors04:31
neozenwhitelamp: ahh04:31
DJAnubisI could sudo in, I may do stuff without thunar that I can do04:31
riciyep04:32
neozenwhitelamp: this on a laptop?04:32
whitelampyes04:32
whitelampneozen:yes04:32
neozenwhitelamp: what kind?04:32
whitelamptoshiba04:32
riciDJAnubis: you might want to use tar and create a compressed archive04:32
neozenwhitelamp: do you know if your laptop has acpi issues?04:32
ricisomething like this:  tar czf /home/dj/myfiles.tar.gz /path/to/hd04:33
whitelampneozen: ...It does. I have to disable a bunch of stuff inorder to get damn small linux to even boot.04:33
whitelampneozen: I'm pretty sure it does.04:33
ricidid you turn acpi off in your boot?04:33
neozenwhitelamp: well then.......... fix those first04:33
neozenwhitelamp: it might've shut off your usb bus04:34
ricithat's often the easiest way04:34
neozenwhitelamp: to save power04:34
ricii can't remember the magical incantation though04:34
neozenwhitelamp: lol04:34
neozenrici: noacpi at a boot prompt04:34
neozenthat does it for most things04:34
riciyeah, that would be it04:34
ricii had to do that a lot a few years ago, last time i did linux stuff04:34
neozenrici: problem is... no boot prompt with xubuntu by default04:35
riciF8?04:35
whitelampThe light on the usb is flashing every 10 sec, must be the usb because my other usb drive is working flawlessly04:35
neozenrici: yeah.... modern thinkpad bios has a problem with the modern kernel's video module04:35
neozenrici: I don't have to disable acpi... but I do have to blacklist video04:35
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neozenunder edgy and feisty04:36
ututoxhttp://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=104:36
neozenlol04:36
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neozendamn adbots04:36
whitelampAgreed.04:36
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ricitoo late, he's off bothering some other channel04:36
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ricii had to do something acpi-like to install xubuntu on this machine04:37
ricii can't remember what anymore04:37
riciit was a month ago.04:37
neozenlol04:37
whitelampEh. Does anyone have firefox crash randomly?04:37
whitelampHappens alot to me04:37
riciit works fine, it was just the installation cd that didn't04:37
neozenwhitelamp: how's your ram situation?04:37
neozenlol04:37
DJAnubisamn04:37
DJAnubisman04:37
neozenwhitelamp: firefox is nasty on ram04:38
DJAnubisI figured it out04:38
neozenDJAnubis: oh?04:38
whitelampneozen: I have 4 GB of ram04:38
DJAnubisI had to make two sudo thunar windows to copy from one to the other04:38
whitelamp>:D04:38
neozenwhitelamp: bloody hell!04:38
whitelamp>:D04:38
DJAnubisI have 768mb of ram04:38
neozenDJAnubis: um... duh mon04:38
neozenDJAnubis: that's how you copy with thunar04:38
neozenDJAnubis: I'd have told you that04:39
neozenDJAnubis: but you said you had it under control04:39
neozenlol04:39
DJAnubisyeah, but I didn't know that you had to have two SUDO thunars open04:39
DJAnubisI just thought it was two thunars04:39
whitelampFirefox only crashes when I load the flash plugin04:39
neozenDJAnubis: you shouldn't ... unless you're copying on two drives you don't have permissions on04:39
DJAnubisthis is some top secret buisness04:39
neozenwhitelamp: lol....04:39
ricithen it's probably flash04:39
riciyou have a 64-bit machine, right?04:39
neozenwhitelamp: ok... let me guess.... you have a 64bit architecture04:40
ricisnap04:40
neozenJINX04:40
DJAnubisI'm copying from and to a drive that I should have plenty permissions04:40
whitelamp...uh...i dont have EMT64 but i have dual core04:40
whitelampnot 64 bit04:40
DJAnubisbut I don't on either, so, bag04:40
DJAnubishey, I just got a core 2 duo04:40
neozenwhitelamp: close enough04:40
neozenlol04:40
DJAnubisI don't really care about it, but, w/e04:40
whitelampvista is gay04:41
whitelamplol, i had to say it >.<04:41
DJAnubisonce I get windows XP running again, I'll be happy, until then, I'm pissed04:41
ricithe nice thing about vista i noticed for the 20 minutes or so i had it running, is the you can resize ntfs partitions with it.04:41
whitelampYou cant even copy a damn cd in vista without applyin DRM to it.04:42
riciit made it much easier to create space to install xubuntu04:42
neozenrici: ......that's probably the best thing they ever did to windows04:42
neozenrici: you can resize ntfs just fine with gparted though04:42
riciyeah, i used to use partitionmagic in my old life as a windows net admin04:42
ricibut having it available native is much nicer04:42
Shaba2this sucks04:42
ricicuts down on the reboots04:42
neozenrici: as long as you don't do something stupid like size the partition below its used size04:43
neozenwhich I've done04:43
neozenlol04:43
ricisure, me too.04:43
ricipm is nice that way.04:43
neozenwhen installing on a friend's machine04:43
ricibut it's at least three reboots04:43
neozenrici: not with gparted04:43
whitelampgparted rules04:43
ricitwo with gparted04:43
neozensee!04:43
neozenlol04:43
riciboth gparted and pm set the invalid bit so that windows automatically rebuilds the partition04:44
riciso that's two reboots04:44
neozenoh yeah04:44
neozenlol04:44
neozenforgot about booting into windows04:44
whitelampWindows sucks.04:44
riciif you don't do that, you can fry the partition04:44
neozen.....yeah.. last time I booted into windows (for the first time in 6months)04:44
neozenit ran scandisk04:45
riciso all in all, it was nicer to just do it native in windows, and then install xubuntu and not worry about it04:45
neozenor some kind of scandisk thing04:45
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neozenrici: I see your point04:45
riciShaba2: did you see my suggestion for editing .xscreensaver ?04:45
Shaba2I cannot even find that file rici04:45
riciit's invisible04:45
Shaba2yeah i figure that04:45
neozenrici: he can't hear you... he's too busy watching boobs in another window04:45
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Shaba2so how am I suppose to edit it if Its invisible04:46
whitelamplol04:46
neozenShaba1: LOL04:46
neozenShaba1: get to a terminal04:46
Shaba2now I was searching the web for stuff on xcscreensaver04:46
Shaba2Ok at a terminal window04:46
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Shaba2I got tow of them up in face04:46
neozenShaba1: and type mousepad ~/.xscreensaver04:46
Shaba2two04:46
neozensee the file ?!!?!!04:47
neozenlol04:47
Shaba2that gave me some kind of error dialog04:48
Shaba2let me try it again04:48
Shaba2ok that not it04:48
Shaba2now what04:48
DJAnubisso04:48
whitelamp...."A Smart man solves a problem, and a Wise man avoids it."04:48
DJAnubisnow that I've got one04:48
whitelamp:D04:48
ricilook for the line which starts   mode:04:49
DJAnubisdoes a Core 2 Duo do anything good?04:49
riciit should be about 20 lines down04:49
Shaba2I would rather not turn it off04:49
whitelampDJAnubis: Erm...04:49
ricijust for a bit04:49
DJAnubisI mean, better04:49
riciyou can turn it on later04:49
Shaba2just change back to the default bricks04:49
ricithere should be two lines04:49
whitelampDJAnubis: It depends04:49
ricimode:04:49
riciselected:04:49
ricichange them to:04:49
ricimode: blank04:50
riciselected: -104:50
Shaba2ok mode: one04:50
DJAnubisprogram related "depends" or what?04:50
Shaba2and selected:21104:50
riciah, that's a nice one.04:50
whitelampDJAnubis: is it 64bit?04:50
ricianyway, change it to mode: blank and selected: -104:50
DJAnubisI thought that it was supposed to be good for just a few programs04:50
DJAnubisoh, wow04:50
DJAnubisI'm not even sure04:50
ricithen go to your screensaver control panel, and hope the system doesn't freeze04:51
neozenDJAnubis: yeah... for multi-threaded tasks... multi-core machines can perform much better04:51
Shaba2ok ricii done04:51
riciand then select something that doesn't freeze your system04:51
Shaba2now what04:51
Shaba2save?04:51
riciyes04:51
neozenDJAnubis: but the applications have to be written properly04:51
neozenDJAnubis: linux apps can do this right04:51
DJAnubiscool04:51
neozenDJAnubis: but it depends on the app04:51
whitelampif it is, it will be faster for things written for 64bit cpus. If not, than little gain.04:51
DJAnubisI love linux04:51
Shaba2ok cross your fingers04:52
neozenDJAnubis: you're going to want to install just the standard 32 bit kernel though04:52
DJAnubisbut, know much about processors?04:52
neozenDJAnubis: ie.. the i386 one04:52
Shaba2If Shaba2 leaves then you know it did not work04:52
whitelamp64 bit has issues04:52
neozenDJAnubis: 64bit apps are just too buggy right now04:52
DJAnubis... I know what do do with linux, I'm not staying with linux04:52
whitelamp64 bit kernel has issues*04:52
Shaba2ok no lock up04:52
whitelamp...04:52
Shaba2gee04:52
neozenDJAnubis: sorry to hear that mon04:53
DJAnubisI want to know if this processor is 32 or 6404:53
neozenDJAnubis: you a gamer or something?04:53
Shaba2now now do I change it back to the bricks if I an04:53
riciright, now you can change the mode04:53
DJAnubisyeah, major one04:53
riciand carefully select a screensaver04:53
ricii don't know which one is the default, sorry04:53
DJAnubisand I use programs like Reason04:53
DJAnubisI makes da moosix04:53
neozenDJAnubis: aaahhh.04:53
neozenDJAnubis: well that explains it..04:53
neozenDJAnubis: ever do much work with ableton?04:53
neozenDJAnubis: I have a mac buddy who won't shut up about it04:54
DJAnubisand I love xubuntu, so, I choose it as my main backup04:54
DJAnubisableton?04:54
DJAnubisscrew ableton!04:54
neozenlol04:54
DJAnubisI bloody hated their trial, makes no sense, there's no sequencer, you pretty much have to record yourself live....alot!04:54
whitelampMan, to bad the PSPlinux team hasn't made any progress.....04:55
DJAnubisno kidding?04:55
whitelampLinux on psp would pwn04:55
DJAnubisman, I want a little rat on a PSP04:55
DJAnubisas my bootsplash04:55
whitelamplol04:55
whitelampRat pwnage04:55
DJAnubiszup zup04:55
whitelamprat eating the sony logo as if it were cheese04:56
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DJAnubisokay, can you help me out?04:56
DJAnubisI need to figure out my processor04:56
Shaba1well rici04:56
Shaba1thanks04:56
Shaba1gotta do it again04:56
whitelampHmm....04:56
Shaba1I hit one that did lock meup04:56
ricioops04:56
DJAnubisit's an "Intel Core2Duo E4300 Ty"04:56
riciwell, at least you know how to do it now :(04:57
Shaba1Welll at least now I know how to get it back04:57
whitelampThats 64 bit. 90% sure.04:57
Shaba1damn04:57
DJAnubis"Core2Duo 1.8GHz@800FSB"04:57
whitelampE4300, e series, I'm pretty sure04:57
Shaba1Ok how about getting rid of that "saved session04:57
DJAnubisomg, no way04:57
DJAnubisAGH04:57
DJAnubisexpliteves!!!!04:57
DJAnubisI need to download the 64x version now!04:58
riciShaba1: when you shut down normally, i think it will ask you if you want to save the session04:58
BFTDDJAnubis the i386 should work fine04:58
Shaba1nope it just quits04:58
riciotherwise, go into the Startup and Sessions control panel04:58
DJAnubisBFTD, you sure?04:58
riciand deselect automatically save on shutdown04:58
riciand select the option to ask you04:58
DJAnubisagh04:59
BFTDDJAnubis I'm doing it now04:59
ricithen say no04:59
riciwhen it asks04:59
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DJAnubisI'm talking about using this with windows04:59
DJAnubisxp04:59
DJAnubishome04:59
DJAnubisI'm using xubuntu as my backup04:59
DJAnubisso, I want to learn from some people with experience, is there a windows channel?04:59
BFTDyes but thats blaspheme05:00
DJAnubisdude, I'm a music producer05:01
DJAnubisI don't want to try running reason in xubuntu05:01
DJAnubisit will be painful I assume05:01
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riciGetViewPortIsFullOfLies:False05:01
DJAnubishey, I could try it now though05:01
ricithat's the sort of configuration line i really like05:01
Shaba2ok back05:02
rici... from the end of .xscreensaver05:02
Shaba2back on linux05:02
riciyeah, did you see the Settings and Startup advice?05:02
riciSettings |  Sessions and Startup05:03
Shaba2nope05:03
riciturn off autosave session05:03
Shaba2iwas rebooting05:03
riciturn on prompt on shutdown05:03
ricishutdown05:03
riciwhen it prompts you, say "don't save"05:03
ricithat *should* do it05:03
Shaba2ok that I got done on my own05:04
Shaba2Like I said I am not a total newbie05:04
Shaba2just to linux05:04
ricicool05:04
Shaba2brb05:04
riciseeya05:04
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Shaba1nope that did not work05:06
Shaba1still teminal,xchat and gedit coming up05:07
DJAnubisI'll brb05:07
Shaba1and I unchecked save session05:07
Shaba1I mean that is not a big deal05:11
Shaba1just irritating05:11
Shaba1to have to close all those windows05:11
riciok05:14
riciyour sessions are in ~/.cache/sessions05:15
ricithe one it uses is, i think, the one with the latest date05:15
ricibut i'm not 100% sure05:15
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Shaba1ok I did a mousepad ~/.chache/sessions05:17
Shaba1I got at error dialog that said05:17
ricidid that work?05:17
riciyeah, it's a directory05:17
ricido Thunar ~/.cache/sessions05:17
ricithat will open up a directory browser05:17
riciyou can just double click to open the files, but editing them by hand is likely to be a pain.05:18
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riciwhat i'd do is move all of them to a temporary directory, and restart05:18
ricithat should create a new session file with sensible defaults05:18
riciif the defaults aren't sensible enough, you can start moving the old ones back in05:19
Shaba2ok rebooting agian05:20
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Shaba2ok that worked05:22
Shaba2although the background of the destktop is ligher then it use to be05:22
Shaba2it worked05:22
ricicool05:22
Shaba2thank rici05:22
Shaba2I owe you05:22
ricii'll collect someday :)05:23
Shaba2I would05:23
ricijust be nice and help someone else somewhere else05:23
Shaba1I am not nice05:23
Shaba1Now I can get a drink05:23
BFTDhrm>05:28
BFTD><<>><05:28
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KikkomanJust out of curiosity, what is Xubuntu?06:10
KikkomanI've read some things on it, but I don't have a clear idea of what it is.06:10
BFTDIts Ubuntu except with the XFCE windows manager06:13
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ExienI have a monitor whose native resolution 1680x1050 but I can't set it to it :(06:34
ExienWell, I have two monitors. Its a laptop so I have a second monitor (I only want it as 1, even if it mirrors) but it goes to my laptop's native resolution which is 1280x800 and I want it to look right on the second monitor =\06:35
ExienI changed my xorg.conf to include both resolutions but it doesn't work :(06:35
BFTDExien the max for the laptops is the max you can do06:42
ExienNo06:47
ExienI used to do it in Edgy with Ubuntu06:48
ExienAnd it worked the way I wanted it to, but now its not. I don't know if the issue is because of Xfce or Feisty but I had Gnome on Edgy before06:48
ExienWell I'm going to bed, I'll figure out in the morning. Thanks for your input.06:54
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Shaba1anyone got a web cam to work with xubuntu?07:16
maxamillionShaba1: not personally but there is an application called gqcam that is supposed to handle them rather nicely and you can install it from the repositories with the package manager of your choice07:20
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slisiemka08:26
slisa jacys polacy ?08:26
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dadan_xi have a problem regarding installation of xubuntu. At certain moment when Xubuntu should start from the live cd my monitor starts to blink (as it would autost the screen resolution) then is stops at the default (and empty) blue screen of Xfce, i tryed to start also with ubuntu then the same thing happended just the color of the screen was ubuntu's light brown. computer: pIII 224 ram. Any ideas?08:30
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kalikianadadan_x, If the live cd is not running you *could* install the alternate or server cd.08:35
dadan_xbut it's not working with the alternate cd08:40
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kalikianadadan_x, What error do you get when installing with the alternate cd?08:42
dadan_xthat it cannot read the cd08:45
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kalikianaThat sounds like either the download was broken or the burning.08:45
kalikianaYou should md5 your iso file.08:46
kalikiana!md508:46
ubotuTo verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows08:46
dadan_xi'll check the cd08:46
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unikon in the terminal when i type in uptime i  show 2 users is that normal or not09:03
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kalikianaunikon, Sure, why not? I have three users ;)09:07
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kalikianaThat could be you and root for example.09:07
unikonty kalikiana09:07
kalikiana:)09:08
unikonim still using 6.06 xubuntu is there anything newer09:17
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kalikianaunikon, There is 6.1 (Edgy Edge). And at the end of this Month 7.1 (Feisty Fawn) will be released.09:21
hyper_chunikon: or you can already use the beta of feisty fawn today09:22
unikondoesnt use beta's09:26
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ZPMok im not sure weather to ask this here or in kubuntu because im using KDE but my distro is Xubuntu, when i first started using KDE all the screensavers were there and they worked. now (and i dont know when they did) they arent working and they dont even appear at all in the control center?10:38
ricidid you accidentally delete ~/.xscreensaver ?10:40
ZPMno i dont believe so10:42
ZPMi havent deleted any folders10:42
ZPMya its still there10:42
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schlumpf-hi i got xubuntu 7.04 i am trying to download a wine update. which one should i choose ubuntu edgy 6.10 or ubuntu dapper 6.06?12:42
Grey_LokiNeither, IMO.12:43
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schlumpf-http://www.winehq.org/site/download12:46
schlumpf-so which one then?12:46
grazieschlumpf-: The latest wine version is nearly alway the best. It's not tied to version of ubuntu12:46
schlumpf-well why do they offer diffrent download for difrent distribution12:47
grazieschlumpf-: ah yes....someone has prepare packages for different versions of ubuntu. The edgy version would be closer to feisty but I cannot say whether it'll work12:49
qiuhouwhy don't you just use the package control system?12:49
grazieI don't what's in the repos for wine right now, but in the past they have been quite old...you should check though12:50
graziedon't know*12:50
qiuhouwhich version have you got?12:51
qiuhouhhh12:51
qiuhouwhich version have you got?12:51
qiuhousry, problems with the clint12:51
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grazieqiuhou: don't know if that's for me or schlumpf- but I'm using v.0.9.34 which is fine for me12:53
tripppyive installed VNC and it plays local files. why won't it stream from udp?12:53
tripppyive installed VLC and it plays local files. why won't it stream from udp?12:54
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schlumpf-grazie, i got .33 but one thing doesnt work so they told me to upgrade12:55
qiuhouthe .33 is the version I got with the Package Organiser as well12:56
schlumpf-so i need to add that server to my sources.list right?12:56
schlumpf-and then just rund apt-get update12:56
qiuhouI don't know -yet ;)12:57
schlumpf-well ill try12:57
qiuhouplease, and tell me what you try12:58
qiuhouI'm sorta new to this12:58
schlumpf-me 212:58
grazieschlumpf-: the versions on the winehq website will be the latest. Whether installing an edgy wine package on feisty will break your system I can't say, but it is a possible risk.12:58
Grey_Lokigrazie, that's why I said that I wouldn't install either :P12:59
schlumpf-ah kk12:59
schlumpf-so i wont try12:59
schlumpf-:)12:59
grazieGrey_Loki: I see...I thought you were still bitter about you're wine breakage on edgy01:00
Grey_Lokigrazie, i'm still annoyed about it, yes, but i'm not gonna start giving out bad advice because of it01:00
grazieGrey_Loki: of course...I was trying to be funny...maybe I failed?01:01
Grey_LokiIRC isn't the best medium for subtle humour - I think the sarcasm gets lost in the translation to ASCII :D01:01
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Grey_LokiHeh01:02
Grey_Loki's cool dude - if you were annoying me, i'd just stick you on my ignore list or something01:03
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E42hi01:35
E42how to modifity the main xfce panel , for example : accessory , graphics ,multimedia , etc?01:36
grazieE42: do you mean the menu?01:36
E42grazie , yes01:37
E42grazie , standardly its in the upper lefft corner01:37
E42grazie, basicly *01:37
grazieE42: ah...just right click aand move01:37
E42grazie , no that not why i mean i want to delete some things from the others ,graphics panel01:38
E42grazie , i mean i want to delete some apps from there01:39
grazieE42: all the groups you mentioned are in the system menu01:39
grazieE42: these all have .desktop files which you edit in /usr/share/applications01:39
grazieE42: if you don't want gimp for example. then rename or delete gimp.desktop01:41
E42grazie, ok i understand i just cant found the things i want to delete01:41
grazieE42: then use grep in that folder maybe?01:42
E42grazie , ok i have to go , thx !01:42
grazienp01:42
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Maximilian1stHi, is there a way to enable dbus for the wpa_supplicant package in ubuntu? By hacking the diff file of the package or so?02:02
Maximilian1stAlso, the package is given as 5.7 but when you ask wpa_supplicant -v it says 5.5!02:03
Maximilian1stAm I missing something here?02:03
Maximilian1ststill, when you compare the package file and the original 5.7 they seem to be identic...02:04
Maximilian1stShould I better ask this on ubuntu? This is not really specific to xubuntu actually...02:04
qiuhouyeah, try asking there. I think there are more people as well02:08
Maximilian1stUnfortunately, this is not the kind of easy questions that are answered...02:09
Maximilian1stDoesn't matter, I'll just try reading the patch file from the deb package and see if I can find something that could help me out...02:09
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eclipseHi, i already use Ubuntu, but i want to switch to Xubuntu, do i have to reinstall it again or is there a shortcut ?04:15
qiuhouI think you just need to install the xfce package04:16
mrsnoyea you can install the xubuntu-desktop meta package eclipse to get everything you get with a xfce desktop install , or just select xfce from synaptic and install that way04:17
eclipsemrsno: super04:18
eclipsethanks04:18
mrsnonoprob :)04:18
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dadan_xi tryed to install Xubuntu on a pIII vith 224 RAM from an alternate cd, when the installation is finished and i boot from the hard disk i get an error message: the greeter application appears to be crashing, Attempting to use a different one, then i press ok and i get an empty blue screen (i thing it is Xfce's default blue desktop color), any ideas?04:22
graziedadan_x: I'd suspect your video card/driver problems first. Do you know what it is?04:25
dadan_xit's an old one04:25
dadan_xand before the stable blue screen it blink 4-5 times04:26
graziedadan_x: does ctrl+alt+f1 give you a console that's usuable?04:26
dadan_xor maybe more, like it would autoset resolution or something04:26
dadan_xi tryed ctrl+alt+f104:26
dadan_xit doesn't work04:27
graziedadan_x: reboot and select recovery mode from the menu04:27
dadan_xbut it does the same thing04:27
dadan_xasking for network setup, keyboard layout...04:27
graziedadan_x: have you installed yet?04:27
dadan_xwhat do u mean?have i ever installed xubuntu?04:28
dadan_xi don't undestand04:28
dadan_xit' an old machine04:28
dadan_xso xubuntu was never been installed on it04:29
dadan_xif u mean tat04:29
graziedadan_x: you are trying to install xubuntu onto your hard drive from the alternate cd, yes? How far have you got?04:29
graziedadan_x: if the alternate cd is booted, try alt+f204:30
dadan_xthe installation finishes, it sais that i'll have to change the oem user after some certain settings, it drops out the alternate cd, boots from hard04:30
dadan_xand then nothing...04:30
graziedadan_x: you did an oem install?04:30
dadan_xyes04:31
grazieany particular reason?04:31
dadan_xno04:31
dadan_xi should try another kinde of installation04:31
dadan_x?04:31
dadan_xtext?04:31
dadan_xi'm a newbie so mayby that's why i have choosed oem installation bcause i thougt it's more user friendly04:32
grazieunfortunately I never have, although I wouldn't have thought it would give you the problem you've got. I just can't tell how to complete the install04:32
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dadan_xwhat implies text mode install?04:33
graziedadan_x: do you have recovery mode in the boot menu?04:33
dadan_xyes04:33
dadan_xi have04:33
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graziedadan_x: the alternate cd install is text mode no matter which option you choose04:34
cellofellowI installed a kernel-image update yesterday and now I can not boot. Grub works fine, but I turned off the splash screen and I saw huge amounts of IDE and DMA errors on my two hard drives.04:34
graziedadan_x: I'm surprised you get the same blue screen in recovery mode. I have no answer for that.04:34
graziecellofellow: feisty?04:35
cellofellowedgy. I was away for three weeks. Did Feisty release yet?04:35
dadan_xany ideas whom to ask?04:35
graziedadan_x: oem is only different in setting user data up after installation is complete is far as I know04:36
cellofellowyou get a blue screen? I only ever get that when X is mis-behaving.04:36
graziedadan_x: some else on thr channel may know04:36
dadan_xi get an empty blues screen04:36
cellofellow:(04:36
graziecellofellow: feisty has problems. edgy should be fine04:36
dadan_xbut as i said before, i tryed to install ubuntu also and i got the same emty screen but with other color04:37
cellofellowwhat video card are you using?04:37
graziedadan_x: all ubuntu flavours behave very similarly...it's not an xubuntu specific problem04:38
graziedadan_x: could you boot the live cd ok?04:38
cellofellowcan I use chroot from the live cd and apt to perhaps fix whatever is happening with my hard drive install?04:38
graziecellofellow: yep04:38
dadan_xno when i boot from the live cd the proble is the same04:38
dadan_xwith xubuntu  and with ubuntu too04:39
cellofellowsounds like video04:39
graziedadan_x: are you sure you get the same problem with recovery mode option?04:39
dadan_xi will change the video care and give it a shot04:39
dadan_xno i'm not sure04:39
grazieunfortunately I have to pop out for an 1/2 hour. Try the recovery mode again04:40
dadan_xwhen i saw that recovery mode does the same thing the "install in oem mode" which took me over an hour i stopped it, but it seems it was foolish04:40
dadan_xthank you for you time guys!04:41
cellofellowrecovery mode, with no X, gives you grief? I think your card dislikes the console.04:41
graziedadan_x: stopping mid install is not a good idea04:41
dadan_xi'm newbie how do u skip X?04:41
cellofellowuse Alternate CD or Recovery Mode.04:42
dadan_xok! thanks again!04:42
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cellofellow[1579.269152]  hda: drive not ready for command04:45
cellofellowwhat's that mean?04:45
cellofellowI get loads of that, from the livecd, just with different numbers. (I think they are timestamps.)04:46
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cellofellowI hate reinstalling, but I think I'll have to.04:47
cellofellow!info linux-image04:48
ubotuPackage linux-image does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas04:48
cellofellow!info linux-generic04:49
ubotulinux-generic: Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.17.11 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB04:49
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cellofellowwell, I just formatted my / disk. now I have to reconfigure. :(05:05
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cellofellowdangit, I think that partitioning stuff has froze.05:15
graziecellofellow: that "[1579.269152]  hda: drive not ready for command" looks like a kernel boot message cause by you kernel trying access the drive before it's ready to read. May the hd is on it's last?05:15
cellofellowperhaps05:19
cellofellowIt's sort of old05:19
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cellofellow(golly, I missed a lot of news this past few weeks. Compiz a Beryl merging, next version of ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon (not my choice, but cool nonetheless.) Wow.)05:20
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cellofellowhi05:21
graziecellofellow: if it is your hd, you'll have lots of ide errors in dmesg05:22
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cellofellowI do. drat.05:22
cellofellowThis drive worked fine yesterday.05:22
cellofellowthis is my second drive to go haywire in the last month or two.05:23
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cellofellowDriveReady DeviceFault Error05:23
cellofellowDriveStatusError05:23
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cellofellowthe last drive I caught before it actually died, it was clicking like mad, and put the stuff on it on this one.05:24
graziethree things in life are certain. 1.taxes 2. death. 3. hard drives wear out :(05:24
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cellofellowI wish Flash was cheaper. It has no moving parts and shouldn't wear out like that.05:24
kalikianagrazie, How long did your hd's do so far?05:24
cellofellowthese ones are at least 8 years old.05:25
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kalikianaMine is about 2 or 3 years old. And I hope it will become older.05:25
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cellofellowwell, I'll get back to this later.05:26
cellofellowbbl05:26
graziekalikiana:  I've lost two old ones in about 10 years from of about 10. Can't be any more specific than that05:26
kalikianaI'm not doing too many backups and wondering if I should backup regularly, on DVD-RW or Flash?05:28
grazieone was a quantum fireball (crap) and the other was a fujistu with a known controller problem (can be fixed apparently if you can get the right part)05:28
grazieI like hd backups. Good a long as you've nearly always got at least two copies somewhere05:30
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AriannaD-LINK Airplus DWL-G630 PCIMA card... fresh install of Xubuntu 7.04 Beta... Network manager, configure it, says configuring interface and crashes... Card flashes and seems to be totally recognised during the configuration, and then when it crashes it switches off.05:45
h3sp4wnwhat happened to the release candidate ?05:46
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xubuntu_testerhello folks05:47
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atidemhello folks05:50
atidemis there a system that permits to install xubuntu from ms windows?05:50
grazieatidem: yes. never done it myself though05:52
grazie!install | atidem05:52
ubotuatidem: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate05:52
atidemgrazie: thanks05:54
grazienp05:54
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slow-motionhallo06:05
kalikianahi slow-motion :)06:05
slow-motionhi kalikiana06:05
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beg1689/jion #xfce06:39
beg1689is it possible to add thunar actions similar to nautilus-actions-config?06:40
beg1689more specifically i want to be able to right click a file and send it to a bluetooth device, in nautilus i just have it send the file to gnome-obex-send06:40
kalikianabeg1689, There are Thunar's custom user actions :)06:41
kalikianaIt's under the Edit menu.06:42
beg1689man i knew that too, slipped my mind06:42
kalikiana:)06:43
beg1689works great06:44
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beg1689my other problem is I cant figure out why a few of my icons are appearing in the "Other" folder06:45
beg1689isnt it just the categories that decide?06:45
beg1689i have 4 shoructs there and i dont know where the .desktops for them are06:46
beg1689arent n .local or /usr/share/app*S06:46
kalikianabeg1689, Many programs don't use standard categories. So you need to fix it or tell the maintainer.06:46
beg1689its me06:47
beg1689i cant find the .desktop for them either06:47
kalikianaHm, sounds weird. Maybe they are in the menu itself: right-click and choose 'edit menu'.06:47
beg1689nope06:47
kalikianaYou mean you installed/packaged the files? Then you can edit the desktop files of course.06:48
beg1689well one of them is "Printing Notification Icon"06:48
beg1689and the other 3 are ones that i must have created at some point, but i cant find them06:49
kalikianaYou could do a 'find / -name "*whatever*"' or look into the tarballs you installed from.06:49
beg1689so theres no way to tell what .desktops actualy get loaded?06:50
kalikianabeg1689, Normally it's the two folders you mentioned. One could look into the source...06:52
beg1689found em06:52
beg1689i picked bad filenames06:53
beg1689but using thunar i just looked for what they were named06:53
beg1689(in the desktop, not the actual file)06:53
beg1689dont understand why gnome never showed them though06:54
kalikianaGnome?06:55
beg1689yea im switching over from gnome06:55
beg1689might install a fresh xubuntu after the actual release of feisty06:55
kalikianaI guess Gnome is a bit different, for example xfce is extremely after standards. Which is not so easy for an established environment like Gnome.06:57
beg1689i definately like xfce better06:57
beg1689it has more features than gnome, and much faster06:57
beg1689the only thing i dont have know is fullscreen06:58
beg1689for apps06:58
beg1689i liked being able to have fullscreen things actually run in a window that was set as fullscreen, so that i could easily use other programs or switch desktops06:59
kalikianabeg1689, alt-f1107:01
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beg1689doesnt seem to do anything07:01
kalikianaFor me it makes the current window fill the screen entirely with no decoration or borders.07:03
beg1689did i explain it right? with metacity or enlightenment, maybe some other WMs, you could toggle a fullscreen thing for a window, which simply made it the size of the screen and removed its border.  it could even be set on the bottom or top07:03
beg1689yeah thats what i want07:03
beg1689is that using xfwm?07:04
kalikianaYep, xfwm4, xfce 4.4.0.07:04
beg1689the ordering isnt important, cuase i can just switch desktops, but why wont it work for me?07:04
kalikianaDid you choose a resizable window?07:04
beg1689yes07:05
beg1689thunar07:05
beg1689and this IRC window07:05
kalikianaAny chance that you changed the keyboard settings?07:05
beg1689its not in my keyboard shortcuts07:05
beg1689its not int he defaults either07:05
kalikianabeg1689, Look in the window manager settings.07:07
kalikianaThere's a tab called 'keyboard'.07:07
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beg1689i see07:07
kalikianaDo you see alt-f11 in there?07:07
beg1689yea07:08
beg1689maybe i should start looking harder07:08
beg1689all 3 of my problems were trivial07:08
kalikianaAre you running a default xfce? Maybe you are running some gnome or other program catching keys.07:09
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beg1689ok, xfce is officially perfect07:10
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kalikiana:D07:14
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kalikianaGood evening.07:15
somerville32kalikiana, I got a UFV approved for catfish07:15
kalikianasomerville32, Hooray! :D07:18
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cellofellowmy computer is so screwed. :(07:40
BFTDis it?07:41
BFTDwhat's wrong?07:41
cellofellowwell, my / hard drive crashed and now my BIOS is going nuts after I took it out.07:41
cellofellowand it ain't booting from my CD drive. Do CD drives have to master to be bootable?07:42
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=== grazie i think so
cellofellowk07:42
cellofellowthat explains why they are usually hdc instead of hdb07:42
BFTDno07:42
cellofellowi put mine in hdb and it aint working07:43
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BFTDHow do i get a new login without closing/exiting this one?07:51
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cellofellowdoes the LiveCD use GRUB?07:52
BFTDit has grub on it but doesn't need grub07:53
cellofellowhuh07:53
grazieBFTD: a gui login on fiesty....switch user07:53
BFTDthis is edgy07:53
grazieBFTD: don't think it's supported on standard install07:54
cellofellowfuture reference: gdmflexiserver is the command run by "New Login"07:55
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cellofellowBFTD: try gdmflexiserver to login with a different user on a different graphical terminal.07:57
BFTDeh07:57
cellofelloweh?07:57
BFTDthat07:57
BFTDs ok07:57
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cellofellowwhat is a reasonable size for a / partition?08:00
cellofellowa size that will be large enough for plenty of stuff, yet will help me keep bloat down.08:00
BFTDI made mine 14 GB08:01
BFTDand my home 30 GB08:01
cellofellowI could do that08:01
cellofellowIs 14GB still somewhat empty?08:01
BFTDalthough i only have 2% space left on both of them08:01
cellofellow14GB is only 2% left when it's only /usr and /etc ? (mostly)08:02
cellofellowthey take the most space in my experience08:02
cellofellowand /var/cache/apt08:02
BFTDwell I have /usr and /etc on the same partition08:02
cellofellowme too.08:03
cellofellowjust /home on its own08:04
BFTDI wonder if you could use /var/cache/apt do upgrade another system08:04
cellofellowI've wondered too.08:04
BFTDto*08:04
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=== cellofellow chose 10
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=== tonyyarusso has 5 or 6 currently, but it's tight
cellofellownow, I have /home in hda1 and / in hda2. I don't want that. How do I move hda2 to hda1 without damaging anything.08:05
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cellofellowany /home hyper_ch?08:06
BFTDon one system I have 20 GB for root and 90 for home08:06
=== cellofellow is so glad his /home was separate from /
hyper_ch--> /home is 290GB08:06
BFTDhaha08:06
cellofellowbig drives08:06
graziecellofellow: no problem an a mac disk...not sure if possible on an mbr disk08:06
BFTDI wish you could raid single partitions08:07
hyper_chmy mistate08:07
hyper_ch290gb that are free08:07
hyper_ch420GB on /home08:07
cellofellowwow08:07
cellofellowyou must have raid08:07
hyper_chcellofellow: nah, a 500gb drive08:07
BFTDraid 2 single partitions that is08:07
hyper_chand a 350 one08:07
hyper_chand a 160 one08:07
hyper_chand a 120 one08:07
cellofellowI have 40.08:07
hyper_chand a 60gb laying besided the computer... can't put it into it anymore08:07
BFTDall I have is a 160GB, 80 GB, and 60 GB08:08
cellofellowand a dead 10 and a dead 1308:08
hyper_chwell, I could remove the floppy, then I would have a place to put the 60gb drvie back in :)08:08
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BFTDI'm gonna add 3 SCSI once I figure out how to take them out of this case08:08
cellofellowI can only put 4 IDE drives max.08:08
hyper_chBFTD: brute force :)08:08
BFTDhaha08:09
hyper_chcellofellow: I can put in 4x IDE and 2xSATA08:09
BFTDna, its like this housing that the HDD is in08:09
BFTDI can have 4xIDE, 4xSATA, and 3x SCSI08:09
hyper_chisn't scsi damn loud?08:10
BFTDyeah but my fans are louder08:10
hyper_ch(and expensive for the memory thats on it)?08:10
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cellofellowand that is obviously modest.08:11
BFTDah08:11
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hyper_chand a surround system08:12
hyper_chand a second monitor08:12
BFTDhyper_ch thats outdated08:12
hyper_chand ...08:12
hyper_chand ...08:12
hyper_chand ...08:12
hyper_chBFTD: what do you want then?08:12
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hyper_ch<-- GeForce 2 GTS/Pro ^^08:12
cellofellowwhat about SLI cards? why settle for one GPU when you can have 2?08:13
BFTDscrew the video card, 4 quad CPU's, 64 GB of RAM, 60 TB of HDD space08:13
cellofellowsounds like a supercomputer/server08:13
BFTDwait a few more months, you'll be able to do 3 in an SLi08:13
hyper_ch3 in an SLi?08:13
cellofellowand have dual-core cards I bet.08:13
BFTDyeah08:13
highvoltagegeez, what computer is that?08:14
BFTD8800 is dual core08:14
hyper_chBFTD: what do you mean by that?08:14
cellofellowdouble dualcore08:14
RamlaIsn't there SLI and quad SLI?08:14
hyper_ch!sli08:14
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sli - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:14
hyper_chhmmm08:14
BFTD3 cards working together in Harmony08:14
hyper_chah ok08:14
Ramlahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_sli#Quad_SLI08:14
hyper_chand you think you can play pong on that?08:14
BFTDI'm sure you'd be able to do 2 separate SLi's08:15
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cellofellowwhen you have 2 cards, you can either SLI them (newer technology) for one monitor or you can have each power a seperate monitor.08:15
hyper_chgotta run again :)08:16
hyper_chcya08:16
BFTDhaha08:18
BFTD32x AA08:18
BFTDinsane08:18
cellofellowwhat's AA?08:18
BFTDmy 66060GT only does 4x AA08:18
cellofellowticktockticktock this resizing partitions is taking forever.08:19
_3oo3cellofellow: why resize?  :)08:19
Ramla32x AA is just dumb, i can't see noticable difference between 4x and 16x closeups08:19
cellofellowcause I'm reinstalling and want to keep my /home partition. I used to have / and /home on different hdd's but my / drive died.08:21
cellofellowgtg08:21
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zntneoi'm thinking about switching to xubuntu from ubuntu anything i should be worried about?08:31
icicledall you have to do is `sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop`08:33
icicledthen just log out & log in w/xfce as your session08:33
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zntneooh so i don't even need to reinstall ubuntu08:34
zntneoduh stupid me08:34
icicledsure don't =] 08:34
zntneois there anything that i won't be able to use that i can in ubuntu? i mean like automatix network manager and the like08:35
iciclednope, nothing08:35
icicledxfce is just another desktop08:35
icicledif you feel like using gnome, then just log out & select gnome as your session08:35
icicledeverything should work just a-ok08:35
zntneowell then i need help with ndiswrapper and network manager. I am having problems with both08:36
_3oo3that's why I think you should have to manually install the desktop environ...would cut your support down to the nitty gritty08:36
icicledzntneo, what problems do you have?08:36
zntneoit seems that my wireless card becomes unready randomly08:37
zntneoand my network manager doesn't seem to be able to config my card08:37
iciclednetwork-manager does not work too well with wireless cards that don't have native drivers08:37
icicledit's a pain to get it using anything other than WEP =\08:38
zntneoits worked before on ndiswrapper. I did some fiddling and now it doesn't work08:38
icicledyou could try uninstalling the ndiswrapper driver that you installed08:38
icicledand re-install it08:38
zntneoi think thats what i did that stoped it from working08:38
icicledndiswrraper -remove something.inf08:39
icicledsomething similar to that08:39
zntneoi've reinstalled my driver multple times08:39
icicledare you trying to get this to work on a laptop?08:39
zntneoto bad bcm43xx doesn't work on bcm431808:39
zntneoyes08:39
icicledah i see08:39
icicledmaybe you can check the ubuntuforums for similar situations08:40
zntneoi think i tried and couldn't really find anything08:40
icicledi made sure to get an intel wireless card for my laptop cause it has native drivers that work really well08:40
zntneoi bought this card before i decided to go just linux on this laptop08:41
zntneoand i had this card working great on fedora but i switched because ubuntu seems a ton faster on this comp08:43
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zntneoand ubuntu seems to have probs with my card :(08:43
ardyahi08:43
ardyactrl+alt+ +/- is still broken in xubuntu xorg edgy?08:44
zntneobrb08:44
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zntneoso i'm in xubuntu now08:47
zntneoand i was wondering how do i add something from the app menu to the taskbar easily?08:47
somerville32Add a launcher08:47
somerville32:)08:47
zntneoi can't right click and say add to taskbar or panel?08:48
Grey_Lokizntneo, that's what a launcher does :)08:48
zntneoyea i know but was just wondering if there was an easier way because it seems i have to find where the program i want is on the drive08:49
Grey_LokiMost programs can be run just by entering the name of it08:49
Grey_Lokimousepad, gnome-mud, azureus, and so forth.08:49
somerville32Feisty has this thing where it lists all the applications and you can select it or something08:50
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zntneohmm i can't seem to be able to add swiftfox08:52
graziezntneo: should be no different to anything else08:54
zntneoi can't even seem to be able to figure out how to run it from the terminal :(08:54
grazieswiftfox08:54
zntneocommand not found08:55
graziehow did you install?08:55
zntneoswiftfox? i think through automatix08:55
grazieenter 'which swiftfox'08:55
zntneonothing happened08:56
_3oo3on the topic of gnome/kde/xfce...you guys do realize you can install any windows manager you want, right?  you could install fluxbox, blackbox, twm, ice-wm....anything you want08:56
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zntneoi know i have it installed i'm using it08:56
_3oo3windowsmaker08:56
_3oo3afterstep is nice08:56
zntneo_3oo3: yea i know i was being dense08:56
graziezntneo: how did you launch it then?08:56
zntneofrom the applications menu08:57
ardyactrl+alt+ +/- is still broken in xubuntu xorg edgy?08:57
graziezntneo: open /usr/share/applications/swiftfox.desktop08:57
zntneosweet it works now08:59
graziezntneo: don't understand what you've been doing...but great08:59
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zntneowas trying to add a launcher and i couldn't find where swiftfox was located in the file system09:00
zntneoand you telling me that helped me based on the above file you gave09:00
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zntneodamn me i'm being extraordinarily dense today is there a way to make the clock syncronize with a ntp server?09:04
ardyantpdate some_server09:06
zntneoautomaticaly?09:09
ardyaok, so no one uses ctrl+alt+ +/- to change resolutions or configures xorg to use a virtual desktop size larger than their screen?09:09
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graziezntneo: I think you can auto sync with settings > date & time09:10
zntneoare you using gnome? i'm using xfce and it doesn't have a settings thing except under applications. Which has no date and time.09:11
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graziezntneo: no and I'm not using xubuntu right now either so i can't check09:12
zntneooh ok09:12
vimalg2will Xubuntu Feisty also be out on Apr19th?09:13
graziemaybe09:14
ephemerosi hope :)09:14
ephemerosthough for edgy i waited for few days, if i'm not wrong09:14
grazieprolly not though09:15
ephemerosi am assaulted on port 63774. any one knows what this port does?09:15
h3sp4wnhave a look with lsof09:16
h3sp4wnpresuming you are listening on that port09:16
ephemerosk09:17
vimalg2i mean.. there's even rumours that shipit will start offering Xubuntu Feisty from Apr19 on SHIPIT. now thats cool09:18
graziezntneo: Applications > System > Time & Date09:18
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zntneoi swear i'm being extreamly dense today09:20
zntneook i'm trying to do something and not it says timestamp is to far in the future09:23
zntneohow do i fix that?09:23
Grey_LokiSubtract 100 years :D09:24
graziezntneo: have you just done a sync with a network?09:25
zntneoyes09:25
grazieyou may have to reboot.. but not sure as I don't sync with a network09:25
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zntneois there something i can reboot to fix it or do i have to restart my whoel comp09:27
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zntneohmm the update seems to have made it so that its midnight here (central daylight savings time)09:29
graziemaybe you've got a locale/network mismatch09:30
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zntneounder time and date i have it set to my time zone09:31
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zntneoif i do a ln -s /usr/lib/firefox/plugins /opt/swiftfox/plugins/lib will that make it so the plugins in firefox are read by swiftfox?09:42
maxamillionzntneo: in theory, yes09:42
maxamillionzntneo: i don't have any experience with swiftfox so i can't say with certainty09:42
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zntneowell we shall find out09:43
maxamillionhiya grazie, how goes it?09:43
graziegood you?09:43
zntneosweetness it worked09:44
maxamilliongrazie: at work ... can't complain, about to get coding on my compiler09:44
zntneomax your working? i'm sorry dude09:44
graziemaxamillion: lots to do then?09:44
graziehey yeah..it's Sunday!09:45
maxamilliongrazie: always lots to do ;)09:45
maxamilliongrazie: yeah ... i work every other sunday, its ok though ... normally pretty quiet around the office and not much to do so i get homework done09:45
zntneohmm sounds kinda like a job i used to have.09:46
maxamillionzntneo: its an on campus student level sys admin job ... i can't complain, they work around my schedule and my boss lets me run linux09:46
zntneothe job i'm talking about was a lab monitor job. I moved up to probably more like what you are.09:47
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maxamillionhmmm.. new feisty kernel since friday09:48
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zntneodangn't i don't want to reboot my comp :(09:48
maxamillionzntneo: then don't ;)09:49
graziemaxamillion: that fixes the boot problem?09:49
graziedeja09:49
maxamilliongrazie: i didn't have a boot problem with the last kernel09:49
grazieoops09:49
maxamillionlol09:49
zntneoi can't get my ntpdate to make it the correct time and i don't know why09:49
maxamillionzntneo: i had that problem for a while too actually .... right after day light savings time, but it randomly fixed itself a week later09:50
zntneohmm seems i fixed it09:52
maxamillionzntneo: congrats!09:53
zntneoi had to set the time back and then re ntpdate it09:53
zntneoi have no clue why it set it to midnight09:53
maxamillion:/09:54
maxamillionthats a tad strange09:54
zntneoyea it is09:54
zntneoi probably did something wrong09:54
zntneohmm anyone have expereince with wifi-radar? i want to set it up so it automatically runs at boot09:57
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maxamillionzntneo: define "run" ... because it would automatically established a saved connection when i logged in .... but if you actually want the application to run then you can add it to your auto-started applications09:58
maxamilliongrazie: debian etch just went stable!!! why not put that on your PPC box?09:59
zntneooh ok i thought you had to do something to get it to establish a connection on boot09:59
maxamillionzntneo: if i did do something to make it do that, i don't remember ... :/ its been a while since i setup xubuntu on that laptop, and since i had to turn it back in and was issued a new one from work09:59
graziemaxamillion: to be honest I don't think I like the debian way much, but I'm still new to it. I do like all the packages though :)10:00
maxamillionzntneo: and i run gnome on the new one just for variety (and because it has the cpu cycles to spare ... its a core2 duo T7400 or somethin like that ... 4mb L2 Cache, 2gb of ram, etc)10:00
maxamilliongrazie: lol, fair enough10:00
maxamilliongrazie: its all about choice ... i'm just not patient enough to compile everything10:01
zntneoyea that make sense10:01
maxamilliongrazie: you could always look into yellowdog10:01
zntneothe laptop i'm on is just 1 ghz with 512mb10:02
maxamillionzntneo: but at the same time i run xubuntu on my workstation here (amd64 x2 4600+, 2gb ddr2 ram, nvidia7900gtx) just because i like xfce best for a desktop setup ... gnome just automates some things for laptops that i find convenient, but on the desktop xfce is undoubtedly my favorite10:02
maxamillionhere = work10:02
graziemaxamillion: looked at it before and didn't like it. Now it's using e17 I'm going to give it another go. Free downloads in a couple of weeks I think10:02
maxamilliongrazie: rgr10:02
maxamilliongrazie: yeah ... e17 is slick and apparently ydl is supposed to ship with all airport wifi working out of box without any extra setup10:03
zntneoi've been thinking of trying e17 sometime soon10:03
graziemaxamillion: e17 is great if you get the right build...the one I've using recently is too unstable10:04
maxamilliongrazie: yeah, that's another thing that kinda annoys me .... microsoft released an operating system that they stoped and re-wrote half way through before enlightenment was able to release a stable branch10:05
graziemaxamillion:  the amount of time you mean?10:06
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maxamilliongrazie: yeah10:07
=== grazie vista has to be the greediest piece of software on the planet....a lot like M$
maxamilliongrazie: its been what ... 8 years since e16 was released stable10:07
maxamillion?*10:07
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=== maxamillion almost has ...
maxamilliongrazie: i just read wikipedia when i get bored ;)10:08
highvoltagemaxamillion: hey there. howzit going?10:09
maxamillionhighvoltage: hey jonathan! ... it goes well, we are working on adopting the ubuntu.com drupal theme over to xubuntu and fixing our css problems in time for the feisty release (but we might end up a week late on it)10:09
highvoltageah ok10:10
highvoltageafaik all the sub-distributions will have a similar drupal theme10:10
maxamillionhighvoltage: and i think feisty is going to be a very good release for us10:10
maxamillionhighvoltage: how are things on the edubuntu front?10:10
highvoltageedubuntu is ok, especially on the technical side, but it could be quite a lot better on the educational side. it needs more contributors who knows something about education.10:11
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maxamillionhighvoltage: hmmm.... almost wish my mother was computer savvy at times like this ... she's been a teacher for many years and has co-published a few educational books with her old mentor but she still has to call me to install a printer for her on winXP _with_ the installation cd in hand10:12
maxamilliongrazie: jeebus ... i couldn't stand it10:13
highvoltagemaxamillion: heh10:13
maxamilliongrazie: it was even worse because when i tried gentoo it was on a 366mhz p210:13
=== grazie it's not ideal
maxamillionnope10:13
maxamillionhighvoltage: cody contacted you about that school that we were working with to deploy ltsp w/ edubuntu running xfce right?10:14
highvoltagemaxamillion: he mentioned that there's a school that might be installed, I don't know what has been happening with that though10:20
maxamillionhighvoltage: yeah ... well the guy who was heading up the proposal who had drafted cody and i as employees aparently didn't get the contract and they went with a windows implementation instead ... it was very unfortunate10:21
maxamillionhighvoltage: oh, but on a positive note: my university is planning to migrate to schooltool within the next year or two10:22
highvoltagemaxamillion: ohno, re the school10:25
grazieWhile waiting I'm just comparing the quality of sound output by mplayer and audacious. Surprisingly there quite a difference10:25
highvoltagemaxamillion: is this an official schooltool pilot? schooltool is not /quite/ production ready10:25
maxamillionhighvoltage: not sure to be honest, my professor just mentioned it recently before class because apparently my university is a tad fed up with their current proprietary solution10:26
highvoltagecool10:26
maxamillioni thought so10:26
maxamillionbut sadly, they are still running everything on fedora core servers ... not my flavor, but atleast we aren't bound my ms servers10:27
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neozenmeeeep10:29
maxamillion?10:30
neozencan anyone recommend a lightweight personal information manager?10:30
neozenhey there max10:30
maxamillionneozen: hello10:30
neozenlong time no see10:30
maxamillionneozen: yeah ... i've been around here and there, but life has been busy10:30
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neozensame here.... and I've taken up residence in #ubuntu10:31
maxamillionneozen: define personal information manager? ... like a desktop pda software suite?10:31
neozenyeah10:31
maxamillionneozen: ah, fair enough10:31
neozenlike that10:31
neozenmore traffic there10:31
maxamillionneozen: uhmm... lemme check a couple things10:31
neozenstill living in xubuntu fulltime though10:31
maxamillionyey!10:31
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neozencan't wait for feisty10:31
maxamillionneozen: you need anything more than a calendar application?10:31
neozenyeah10:32
maxamillionhmm... ok10:32
neozennames, addresses10:32
neozenphone nums etc10:32
neozenotherwise I'd just use orage10:32
neozenO.o... something that can share info with orage would be a plus10:32
neozenbut not essential10:32
maxamillionneozen: uhmm... you can try treepad lite http://www.treepad.com/ ... there is a linux version10:33
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maxamillionneozen: here's a good link too: http://linux.about.com/od/softpim/Linux_Personal_Information_Managers.htm10:34
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neozenthat's just what I was looking for ... a review site10:36
neozen..my brain... is just not working today10:36
neozenI might just start using the xfce4-notes-plugin when i update to feisty10:37
maxamillionneozen: no worries .... my brain wasn't working all last week10:37
maxamillionneozen: ahh, didn't know there was such a thing10:37
neozenmaxamillion: yeah.. there is10:37
neozenmaxamillion: its in the repos for edgy and up10:37
neozenbut I'm on dapper10:37
maxamillionneozen: oh, what would you think of a "places" meny plugin for xfce ... like how gnome has the "places" menu?10:37
maxamillionmenu*10:37
neozenplaces?10:37
neozen...um... let me look into what it does10:38
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neozenwhat's the package for gnome called?10:38
maxamillionneozen: its just kinda a "quick menu" to things like your home dir, the trash can, etc.10:38
neozenOh. wait that thing10:38
neozen...isn't that already in feisty?10:39
maxamillionneozen: i dunno ... i think its just part of gnome10:39
maxamillionneozen: not for xfce i don't think so ... i don't think it exists10:39
neozenI'm sure I saw a folder with a house on it on the default feisty panel10:39
neozenperhaps you click that and get a list10:39
maxamillionneozen: in xubuntu?10:39
neozenyeah10:39
neozenI booted a livecd of xubuntu feisty a while ago10:40
maxamillioni'm running feisty but it was an upgrade install so it kept all my settings ... i will have to look into that10:40
neozenaaah10:40
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maxamillionbecause if it was already done then i'm not going to code a plugin for it for xfce10:40
neozenI just don't like menus on my panels10:40
maxamillionneozen: fair enough10:41
neozenI'm from the school of 'right click anywhere to get a menu'10:41
maxamillionneozen: it would be removable just like anything else10:41
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neozenof course10:41
maxamillionneozen: yeah, i used to be really big into "right click anywhere to get a menu" in my "fluxbox is the only true WM" phase10:41
maxamillionnow i'm just used to having my xfce menu at the bottom10:42
neozenin all actuality ... if fluxbox supported everything I enjoy about xfce I'd probably be using it10:42
neozenI just haven't tried yet10:42
neozen...xfce seems to do what I need .. so I never bothered10:43
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maxamillionyeah ... i used fluxbox for a long time and i really like alot of things about it, but everything it falls short with ... xfce doesn't :)10:43
maxamillioni think my biggest enjoyment of xfce is how modular it is ... its like "oh, you don't like 'this aspect' of xfce4? ... then don't use it"10:44
maxamillioni mean, you could technically mix xfce4 with fluxbox and ROX if you wanted to10:44
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neozenheh10:46
maxamillionwould be wild ... but it could be done ;)10:46
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neozenfunny thing is, I'm checking out the flux-box faq10:47
maxamillionyeah?10:47
neozen...lots of xfce tools seem to be at the top of the recommended list of stuff to use10:47
neozenTerminal, thunar, etc10:47
neozenxfmedia needs to die though10:47
maxamillionyes, i agree with that10:47
neozenI don't know why but I hate it soooo much10:48
neozenwe should just use mplayer or something10:48
maxamillionor be re-written10:48
maxamillionbut yeah ... majority of screenshots i see taken of fluxbox desktops are taken with Thunar running10:48
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neozensessions can be a real pain though10:48
maxamillionreally?10:49
neozenI just shut them off long ago and haven't looked back10:49
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maxamillionlol10:49
maxamillionfair enough10:49
neozen(when you use nm-applet it just keeps spawning new ones with each login10:49
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neozennm-applet is the thing that gives you a tray icon for network-manager-gnome10:50
maxamillionneozen: huh ... that's interesting ... i didn't have that problem with edgy on my old laptop10:50
maxamillionyeah, i'10:50
maxamillioni've used nm-applet10:50
neozen...what I'd really like to make.... is a nm-applet type thing for xfce10:50
maxamillionneozen: its being done :)10:50
neozenie.. one that doesn't include a bunch of crap I don't need10:50
neozenlibs etc10:50
neozenI'd be interested in helping with that10:51
neozenconsidering how much I recommend the use of network-manager-gnome on xfce10:51
neozenlopl10:51
neozen*lol10:52
maxamillionneozen: lemme find you a link ... there are actually 2 of them being worked on by different people, one by a xfce-dev and the other just by an open source devel10:52
neozenand the battery applet automatically increasing the size of the panel10:52
neozen...baaad applet!10:52
neozen(so I use gnome-power-manager too)10:52
maxamillionlol10:53
neozenjust strikes me as wrong10:53
maxamillioni think that is fixed in the xfce4.4-stable release10:53
neozengood10:54
neozenI still live in the dapper world10:54
neozenlots of the problems I experience have probably been fixed10:54
neozen::chuckles::10:54
maxamillion:P10:54
maxamillionbah! i can't find the link ... gimme a minute10:55
neozenheh... no rush10:55
neozenits my day off10:55
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maxamillionneozen: finally found them11:07
maxamillionneozen: here is the one being worked on by the xfce dev: http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/airconfig11:07
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neozenthank you11:07
apocalypticahello11:08
maxamillionneozen: and here is the other: http://compwiz18.blackhole.cx/wicd/wb/11:08
maxamillionapocalyptica: hello11:08
apocalypticai have a laptop with ubuntu on it, the latest release of 6.10, (just installed yesterday), and for some reason the device manager wont open11:08
apocalypticacan you help me out?11:08
maxamillionapocalyptica: device manager?11:09
apocalypticayes11:09
maxamillionapocalyptica: where do you see a device manager?11:09
neozennice11:10
neozen....the second one looks very nice indeed11:10
apocalypticai dont know what to do11:11
neozenand it doesn't even require network-manager11:11
maxamillionapocalyptica: where in the menus do you see a device manager?11:12
maxamillionneozen: yeah, i actually like the one being done by the xfce devel the best ... looks like it would be really easy to use11:12
apocalypticasystem --> administration --> device manager11:12
maxamillionapocalyptica: you aren't running xubuntu11:13
maxamillionapocalyptica: that doesn't exist in xubuntu ... you are looking for #ubuntu11:13
neozenoh... you mean air11:13
neozen..but that's just alpha11:14
neozenthe other one says its stable11:14
apocalypticaty11:14
apocalypticabye11:14
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maxamillionneozen: fair enough11:15
maxamillionneozen: well either way, i think one of those two will be default in feisty+1 and i think we are trying to get both in the universe repositories either way11:16
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=== neozen nods
neozenif I can avoid installing something to make something which should be simple work..... I'll avoid it11:17
neozen.......gah11:17
neozenthat came out wrong11:17
neozenI like minimal @#$#@4 ...!11:18
neozenthere... that about did it11:18
neozenlol11:18
slow-motionn811:18
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Merchelohmm, i did an apt-get update, and upgrade, and now my graphics have gone all slow in one game which i only play :( is there anyway to revert this problem?11:34
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neozenwish me luck... I'ma give wicd a shot11:36
maxamilliongood luck11:40
Merchelo!kernel11:40
ubotukernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild11:40
grazieMerchelo: certainly possible, but probably more hassle than you would want unless there were only a few updates :(11:41
TheSheepMerchelo: Nvidia dropped support for many of their cards recently11:42
maxamillionMerchelo: you might want to try the nvidia-legacy driver11:42
TheSheepmaxamillion: that's the slow one :)11:43
Merchelois there a way to find out what gfx card it is without opening?11:43
TheSheepMerchelo: lspci | grep VGA11:43
maxamillionoh11:44
Merchelohmm, ATI Radeon 920011:44
TheSheepmaxamillion: do you know how to compile the drivers from nvidia page with the debian-style kernel in ubuntu? :/11:46
grazieMerchelo: Incidently, I've got a Radeon 9000 on my mac and I noticed today the performance was much worse on feisty than edgy (using open source driver)11:47
Merchelouh oh, i was looking it up, and something about a fglrx driver for ubuntu11:47
maxamillionTheSheep: not really ... i did it once, but i read a tutorial11:48
maxamillioni actually gotta run .. boss needs me to do something11:48
maxamillionbbl11:48
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maxamillionannnnd back11:57
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neozenwell.. I tried wicd12:02
neozen..stable though it may be ...12:03
maxamillionno go?12:03
neozenstill requires stuff from gnome to provide a system tray icon12:03
maxamillion:(12:03
neozen....and id didn't seem to want to connect to my wpa network12:03
neozen...thank god for aptitude12:03
neozenlol12:03
maxamillion:-D12:03
maxamillionyeah ... wpa is kinda tricky12:03
neozenwell that's why I like it12:04
neozenits a hell of a lot more secure12:04
neozenand stops the wardrivers for the most part12:04
maxamillionyeah ... i run wpa2 at home12:05
neozenthis is just decrepit wpa12:06
neozen(my stepdad has a palm that doesn't speak wpa2 that he wants to use on the network)12:07
neozenstill works like a charm12:07
neozennot one single unauthorized connection yet12:07
neozenwell... an unauthorized connection being one that isn't family12:08
neozenlol12:08
maxamillion:P12:08
neozenI suppose if someone cracks your network they are authorized12:08
neozenlol12:08
neozenwhats the news on the legality of that12:09
neozenstill unauthorized theft of service?12:09
neozenlike if you hooked up to your neighbors cable?12:09
maxamillionwell if they have encryption enabled and you crack it, that is illegal but if they leave it open and you use it ... that's just their fault12:10
=== neozen nods
neozenthat's always the way I felt12:11
neozenits as though you rebroadcasted cable programming for 20 yards or so around your house12:11
neozen.....you couldn't scream if someone watched hbo12:12
neozenlol12:12
maxamillion:P12:12
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TheSheephah! back to accelerated desktop :D12:22

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