[12:24] <h3sp4wn> hooray: use linux-bios
[12:25] <hooray> scarry but ill try it
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> Don't just try it without finding a supported board first
[12:36] <Shaba1> Hello all
[12:36] <odat> hi everyone
[12:36] <odat> i'm having a strange problem with openoffice-gtk on a fresh install
[12:37] <odat> there aren't any icons appearing in the toolbar
[12:37] <odat> there are words in place of the icons
[12:40] <aimaz> hi, using edgy on my laptop the network-admin tool doesn't let me create locations
[12:40] <aimaz> any ideas how I can enable it?
[12:41] <Grey_Loki> Have you tried running gksudo network-admin?
[12:41] <aimaz> yeah i'm running it as root
[12:47] <Shaba1> guys how do I get ram usage on an xubuntu machine
[12:47] <Shaba1> and take into account that you are talking to a windwos person
[12:47] <Shaba1> windows expert but still windows
[12:50] <Grey_Loki> How do you see how much ram is being used?
[12:51] <Grey_Loki> You could try ps aux, or top
[12:51] <Grey_Loki> Not sure if they give the total RAM usage.
[12:51] <grazie> Shaba1: you can use the 'free' command in a terminal or use the "System Load Monitor" applet
[12:51] <Grey_Loki> Else, apt-get install gdesklets, for some eye candy
[12:51] <rici> can i use a feisty package on edgy? (specifically gdb-6.6) Is there some magic incantation?
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> backport it
[12:52] <rici> well, that would be one solution
[12:52] <rici> i could just build it from source, too :)
[12:53] <MissT> how do i run kino as root user?
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> MissT, if it's a commandline app, sudo, otherwise, use gksudo
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> 'sudo kino' or 'gksudo kino'
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> rici: Likely to be less messy to just backport it
[12:54] <rici> which means what exactly?
[12:54] <MissT> Grey_Loki, thanks, i'll try that
[12:54] <rici> i mean, what might i need to change?
[12:54] <Grey_Loki> :)
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> rici: depends if you are lucky then pretty much nothing
[12:55] <h3sp4wn> but you could get in a loop of having to backport newer versions of all sorts of stuff
[12:56] <h3sp4wn> apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename (thats it in its simplest form - presumes you have deb-src lines already in sources.list)
[12:56] <h3sp4wn> anyway is the feisty release candidate released yet ?
[12:57] <rici> gdb doesn't have many dependencies
[12:57] <grazie> MissT: is kino a kde app? if it is you should use 'kdesu kino' or 'kdesudo kino'. I know not using the right su for some kde apps can cause breakages
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> rici: It quite often doesn't work quite that simple but if you compare the existing version with the newer version (the stuff in debian/) its usually quite easy
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> rici: I have never compiled it manually - didn't know whether it was tied in to a particular gcc version
[12:59] <rici> nope
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> simple then
[01:01] <rici> hmm... there's a problem report in the debian page
[01:01] <Shaba2> hello all
[01:01] <rici> oh, well. maybe i don't really need it. there must be a workaround
[01:02] <rici> i don't want this to turn into a marathon.
[01:02] <Shaba2> this is my laptop running x unbuntu
[01:02] <rici> maybe i'll just download the 6.4 source and add the patch that didn't quite make it into that version
[01:02] <Shaba2> Shaba1 is my desktop running windows
[01:02] <Shaba2> now how do I get Ram usage on here?
[01:03] <Shaba2> hello anyone here?
[01:03] <rici> top
[01:03] <rici> in ubuntu
[01:03] <rici> in windows, i have no idea
[01:04] <Shaba1> no I meant in xubuntu
[01:04] <gateway_> anyone know why openoffice-gtk doesn't work on a fresh install of ubuntu
[01:05] <Grey_Loki> Shaba1, type 'free' or 'ps aux' or 'top' in a console#
[01:05] <Grey_Loki> Or, if you want a GUI output, either load up thesystem monitor panel widget, or apt-get install gdesklets
[01:05] <Shaba1> is there a desktop app to do that
[01:05] <Shaba1> like a ram gauge or something
[01:05] <Grey_Loki> Grey_Loki> Or, if you want a GUI output, either load up thesystem monitor panel widget, or apt-get install gdesklets
[01:06] <Shaba1> systems monitor panel
[01:06] <Shaba1> hold on let me try to find that
[01:06] <Grey_Loki> Right click the panel, and add it
[01:07] <Shaba1> trying to find it
[01:07] <Shaba1> you knw what menu choice it is under?
[01:08] <Grey_Loki> Yeah
[01:08] <Grey_Loki> The one you get when you right click the panel.
[01:08] <Grey_Loki> 'Add new item'
[01:08] <Shaba1> Grey_Loki I do not mean to sound dumb
[01:08] <Shaba1> but what 'panel'
[01:08] <Grey_Loki> There should be two - one at the top, one at the bottom of your screen
[01:09] <Grey_Loki> You'd know it as a taskbar.
[01:09] <Shaba1> Ok now that makes sense
[01:09] <Shaba1> :)
[01:09] <Shaba1> hold on
[01:10] <Grey_Loki> ;)
[01:10] <Shaba1> Oh I like that
[01:10] <Shaba1> although I do not like how much ram I am using
[01:10] <Grey_Loki> If you think that's neat, check out gdesklets.
[01:11] <Grey_Loki> Just do a google search for some screenshots
[01:11] <Shaba1> hold on
[01:11] <Grey_Loki> Be warned though, gdesklets is a bit of a system hog.
[01:12] <Shaba1> http://www.lynucs.org/?gdesklets
[01:12] <Shaba1> just lookst like backgrounds to me
[01:14] <Grey_Loki> Shaba1, http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=2&screen_id=36456260445d962dca229b&m=screen
[01:14] <Grey_Loki> in the top right corner, the system graphs. That's a set of gdesklets widgets.
[01:17] <Shaba1> ah I see
[01:18] <Merchelo> !gibbon
[01:18] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[01:18] <Grey_Loki> Woah, already?
[01:18] <Grey_Loki> Feisty only came out a few days ago
[01:18] <Merchelo> happened today, and fiesty is scheduled for the 19th afaik
[01:19] <Grey_Loki> I thought it was out already :S
[01:19] <Grey_Loki> Ubuntu studio is due for release on the 19th, ithink
[01:19] <Merchelo> Ubuntu studio ?
[01:20] <Grey_Loki> An A/V production distro
[01:21] <Grey_Loki> Kinda like Planet CCRMA
[01:21] <Shaba1> Grey_Loki you would not know of a small footprint spreadsheet and/or database for xubuntu like Abiword is for wordprocessing
[01:21] <Shaba1> I installed open office
[01:21] <Grey_Loki> Shaba1, i'm afraid not - I only use OOo
[01:21] <Shaba1> but that is taking up to much space on my 10 gig partiton
[01:21] <Grey_Loki> Take a look in synaptic for something
[01:21] <Shaba1> and with the 192mb of ram I got it slows everything down
[01:22] <Grey_Loki> Because IIRC, it's java based, or something
[01:22] <Grey_Loki> Can't remember exactly
[01:22] <Shaba1> right now with NOTHING running except xchat I am using 142 of 186MB
[01:23] <Shaba1> I thought xubuntu was suppose to be small footprint
[01:23] <Grey_Loki> How much is xchat using?
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> it is (with a command line install) otherwise there are hundreds of daemons you don't want
[01:24] <Shaba1> I have no idea
[01:24] <Shaba1> how can I find out
[01:24] <Shaba1> ??
[01:26] <Grey_Loki> Shaba1, run ps aux | grep xchat
[01:26] <Grey_Loki> Third number in is RAM usage
[01:27] <Shaba1> I get this
[01:28] <Shaba1> 4489 0.1 7.8 92168 14976 ? sl 15:46 0:02 xchat
[01:28] <Grey_Loki> 7.8MB RAM.
[01:28] <Shaba1> and on a second line
[01:29] <Grey_Loki> Second one is how much the command 'grep xchat' is taking
[01:29] <Shaba1> 4721 o.o 0.3 2796 748 pts/l R+ 16:27 );00 grep xchat
[01:30] <rici> Grey_Loki: that's actually 7.8% i think
[01:30] <Grey_Loki> rici, so it is - well spotted, heh
[01:30] <rici> the fifth number is the amount of memory actually in use, in K
[01:30] <rici> the fourth number is the amount it might use if it were absolutely alone on the system
[01:31] <rici> it's not easy to interpret memory usage on unix
[01:31] <Grey_Loki> 14MB of RAM?
[01:31] <Grey_Loki> I wonder if there's a way to switch ps from displaying usage in KB to MB.
[01:32] <Shaba1> so its taking 15MB
[01:32] <rici> what i'd like to know is why xfce-menu-plug is using 112 MB resident
[01:32] <Shaba1> the what is that 149mb that the sysmemes monitor is saying is in use?
[01:32] <rici> that seems excessive somehow
[01:34] <Shaba1> that is what it says
[01:34] <Shaba1> 149 of 186 mb in use
[01:34] <rici> Shaba1: no, i was talking about my system
[01:34] <rici> that's normal
[01:34] <Grey_Loki> Shaba1, that would be the total usage of everything
[01:34] <rici> linux basically uses all the memory all the time
[01:34] <rici> and why not?
[01:34] <rici> it's there
[01:34] <Shaba1> ah ok
[01:34] <rici> everything that isn't used by programs is used as a file cache
[01:35] <rici> the widget shows you the part that isn't holding file buffers
[01:35] <Shaba1> and it lessens its own memmory usage as other apps are loaded?
[01:35] <rici> which doesn't really mean anything, but it might give you some sense of security watching it go up and down
[01:35] <rici> yeah, the file buffers are optional
[01:35] <rici> but they speed things up a lot if you use the same file a lot and the system guesses right about which content to keep
[01:36] <Shaba1> ah ok
[01:36] <Shaba1> I am learning something new then
[01:37] <rici> also, ps aux doesn't show you another important number: the amount of that memory which is shared with other apps
[01:37] <rici> if you look at top, you'll see three columns related to memory:
[01:38] <rici> virtual, resident, and shared
[01:38] <rici> they're abbreviated, but you should be able to figure it out
[01:38] <rici> virtual is pretty well meaningless
[01:38] <rici> resident is what the app is actually using, on average over the last short bit of time
[01:39] <rici> shared is the amount of that which is also being used by other apps, such as shared objects (dlls) and other resources which can be shared
[01:39] <rici> so when you add up all the resident figures, they'll come out to a lot more than the amount of memory in use, because the shared memory is really shared.
[01:39] <rici> hope that helps a bit
[01:39] <rici> like i say, interpreting memory usage numbers is a bit of a black art
[01:39] <neozen> question all ... where can I see which packages are included in the standard install of xubuntu feisty and a list of packages available in the feisty repositories?
[01:42] <grazie> neozen: >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[01:42] <rici> so i'm still wondering, why is xfce-menu-plug using 112M of ram?
[01:42] <neozen> grazie: thankee
[01:42] <rici> and what can i do about it short of restarting X, which would be a bit inconvenient atm
[01:45] <neozen> rici: lol
[01:45] <neozen> rici: I stopped paying attention to how much ram things use in a gui environment
[01:45] <neozen> rici: one of the joys of having 1gb of ram
[01:45] <rici> well, yeah, but i actually notice this as an issue
[01:45] <rici> the menu is really sluggish opening
[01:46] <neozen> rici: Ic
[01:46] <rici> i think it's a memory leak in xfce-menu-plug
[01:46] <neozen> rici: that... would suck
[01:47] <neozen> rici: I don't even have the xfce-menu on my panel
[01:47] <neozen> rici: I just right click on my desktop and get the menu
[01:47] <neozen> (xubuntu dapper)
[01:47] <rici> same program
[01:48] <neozen> rici: ....not for me
[01:48] <neozen> rici: doesn't even appear to be running
[01:49] <rici> ah, you're right.
[01:49] <rici> i ditched it, put it back, and the memory usage went down to almost nothing
[01:49] <rici> well, that solved that one
[01:49] <rici> thanks
[01:49] <rici> i still think it's a memory leak.
[01:51] <neozen> grazie: that link you gave me doesn't seem to say WHICH repository a certain package is included in
[01:51] <neozen> grazie: I'm looking for xfce4-notes-plugin
[01:52] <neozen> grazie: it doesn't seem to be in the dapper repository... and I'm wondering if its in the edgy or feisty repos
[01:54] <Shaba1> Ok guys here is something I really need help on
[01:54] <Shaba1> xubuntu on my laptop just went to the screen saver
[01:54] <Shaba1> whenever it does that the screen saver lockes the whole machine
[01:54] <rici> neozen: xfce*4*-notes-plugin
[01:54] <Shaba1> and the only way I can get back is to power off and power back one
[01:55] <Shaba1> that does not happen with windows
[01:55] <neozen> rici: yeah
[01:55] <rici> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/xfce4-notes-plugin
[01:55] <neozen> rici: sans asterisks
[01:55] <neozen> oh wait... there it is... in the url
[01:56] <neozen> ....this is one seriously off day
[01:56] <neozen> lol
[01:56] <hooray> my northbridge is not supported, only south...maybe one day, sweet linuxbios...hespawn are you running it?
[01:56] <rici> there's a search tool in the link grazie posted
[01:57] <neozen> yeah.. I see it now
[01:57] <neozen> ......arg
[01:58] <neozen> fear a man with too little sleep
[01:58] <neozen> he will cause you endless headaches
[01:59] <Shaba1> Ok I just shut it down
[02:01] <neozen> oh well.. guess I'll just install feisty in 4 days....
[02:01] <neozen> can't wait
[02:02] <rici> Shaba1: you might need to load linux without apci, or otherwise fiddle around with things
[02:02] <rici> apci is very flakey on older laptops
[02:05] <Shaba1> its brand new
[02:05] <Shaba1> well 10 months ago
[02:06] <Shaba1> but I will google for apci and linux
[02:08] <rici> huh. here's the bug report from gcc-l, september 2000: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/gdb/2000-09/msg00116.html
[02:08] <rici> the patch seems to have been committed in mid-2006
[02:08] <rici> but not in time to get into 6.4.90
[02:08] <rici> s/gcc/gdb/
[02:08] <rici> i'm tired, too.
[02:08] <rici> that seems like a long time between report and fix.
[02:09] <rici> maybe people don't use gdb user-defined commands very offten
[02:09] <neozen> rici: I have enough fun with the ones they define
[02:10] <rici> i want to call a function when a breakpoint goes off
[02:10] <rici> i do that a lot, so i thought it would be handy to define a command to set a breakpoint with that command
[02:10] <rici> probably like the guy who reported the issue in 2000
[02:12] <neozen> how would one get the text on startup/shutdown to show up with an install of xubuntu edgy as it did with xubuntu dapper?
[02:12] <neozen> I always dug the dapper graphical startup
[02:13] <neozen> new one's too boring ::grins::
[02:20] <snarfer> Why can't my gcc create executables?
[02:20] <neozen> who's good w/ xchat?
[02:20] <snarfer> I'm OK with it
[02:21] <neozen> clicking on links doesn't open them in a browser
[02:21] <snarfer> Try right clicking on them
[02:21] <neozen> browser is firefox 2.0.0.3
[02:21] <neozen> snarfer: right clicking then selecting "open in browser" doesn't work either
[02:21] <snarfer> o.o
[02:21] <vipwoody> Hello People! Need Help
[02:21] <neozen> and yes.... xfce knows which browser to use
[02:22] <vipwoody> need help please
[02:22] <rici> you've tried 911?
[02:22] <vipwoody> yeah, they couldn't help :(
[02:23] <rici> did you tell them what your problem was?
[02:23] <snarfer> neozen, That's strange. Possibly in preferences -> URL handlers
[02:23] <vipwoody> yeah, I told them... they told me to contact you :)
[02:23] <rici> is xchat aware of xfce preferences?
[02:23] <rici> it works in gaim
[02:23] <snarfer> Inside of xchat
[02:24] <snarfer> Settings -> advanced -> URL handler
[02:24] <Shaba1> damn I need to log this
[02:24] <neozen> snarfer: awesome
[02:24] <snarfer> !firefox
[02:24] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[02:24] <snarfer> o.o
[02:24] <neozen> snarfer: just the information I was looking for
[02:25] <snarfer> That was accidental
[02:25] <snarfer> :/
[02:25] <snarfer> Though, I am wondering why my gcc can't output executables?
[02:25] <rici> it's not configured right
[02:25] <rici> or maybe it isn't even there
[02:26] <rici> didn't we do this yesterday?
[02:26] <vipwoody> I am a new Linux User, Im fed up with Windows Vista thats why I'm trying to make a change and move to Linux. I saw Ubuntu, and Fiesty Fawn as a new release. I downloaded it, and I am trying it right now. It is really amazing, I like it a lot. But since I am new to Linux, I need some help concerning the "nVidia driver" download + install. I have a GeForce 4 VGA, and I need its driver for the effects to work. Any help is appreciated. Thanks
[02:27] <vipwoody> PS: I am on Live CD right now
[02:27] <snarfer> Are you looking for Ubuntu or Xubuntu help?
[02:27] <neozen> snarfer: how might I edit the default behavior for left clicking on a link?
[02:27] <snarfer> neozen, I am not sure
[02:27] <snarfer> Sorry.
[02:27] <vipwoody> snarfer, ubuntu
[02:28] <snarfer> #ubuntu for you then ;)
[02:28] <DJAnubis> hey
[02:28] <vipwoody> ah :P
[02:28] <vipwoody> so you can't help me?
[02:28] <snarfer> Yeah, just for future reference
[02:28] <DJAnubis> how does I turnded offz teh screensaver,lol?
[02:28] <snarfer> This is the Xubuntu support channel
[02:28] <Shaba1> Well my screen freezes so badly on the sceren save
[02:29] <Shaba1> I have to power down and start up again
[02:29] <DJAnubis> yeah, I really don't want to have it there :P
[02:29] <DJAnubis> but...is there a way to not have it?
[02:29] <Shaba1> I have no idea DJAnubis
[02:29] <vipwoody> snarfer, okay thanks
[02:29] <Shaba1> I am a linux newbie myself
[02:30] <DJAnubis> I just installed a new mobo and a new CPU, so I'm a bit confused :P
[02:30] <snarfer> vipwoody, one sec
[02:30] <DJAnubis> I have windows, but it shuts down everytime I start up
[02:30] <snarfer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[02:30] <DJAnubis> so, I went over to my xubuntu setup :P
[02:30] <DJAnubis> works fine with cubuntu :D
[02:30] <snarfer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsNvidia
[02:30] <Qew> vipwoody: Read this carefully: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy
[02:30] <snarfer> There you go vipwoody
[02:32] <rici> Shaba1: you can turn the screensaver off if you can't fix it any other way
[02:33] <rici> are you using edgy? for some reason the screensaver control panel isn't in the menu list
[02:33] <rici> applications | settings | settings manager
[02:33] <rici> gives you the complete set of control panels
[02:35] <snarfer> !wiki InstallCompilers
[02:36] <snarfer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingCompilers?highlight=%28compile%29
[02:36] <snarfer> That's what I was looking for
[02:39] <neozen> to install a compiler... just install build-essential
[02:39] <neozen> ...that'll install the most uptodate versions of just about everything you might need to build something from source
[02:39] <rici> well, not everything
[02:39] <neozen> provided its c or c++
[02:39] <rici> but it's enough to get you started
[02:39] <neozen> lol
[02:40] <rici> it only gives you essential headers
[02:40] <neozen> for java..... just install the jdk off sun's site.. and make links in /usr/bin
[02:40] <neozen> ...now I just need to figure out how to lie to aptitude so it doesn't keep trying to install the gcj-based java every time I try to install ant
[02:41] <Shaba1> ok guys
[02:41] <Shaba1> wherever I start xubuntu
[02:42] <neozen> don't forget girls!
[02:42] <neozen> lol
[02:42] <Shaba1> gedit,a terminal window and xchat open up
[02:42] <neozen> ok
[02:42] <Shaba1> helo neozen
[02:42] <Shaba1> :)
[02:42] <Shaba1> how do I stop that
[02:42] <Shaba1> I mean it would be nice if that is what I wanted
[02:42] <Shaba1> but its not right now
[02:42] <neozen> Shaba1: you've got a saved session somewhere
[02:42] <neozen> ...and it keeps loading that saved session
[02:43] <Shaba1> ok how do I unsave it
[02:43] <BFTD> hrm
[02:43] <BFTD> yo all
[02:44] <neozen> Shaba1: gah.. I forget
[02:44] <neozen> Shaba1: involves whacking out created files in a hidden directory within your home
[02:44] <Shaba1> and most of all how do I stop the screen saver from freezing the laptop
[02:44] <neozen> Shaba1: lol.....
[02:44] <Shaba1> that is what is most irritation
[02:44] <neozen> Shaba1: the freezing might be due to a graphics card problem
[02:45] <neozen> Shaba1: have you installed the proper driver for your video card?
[02:45] <Shaba1> it means I constanly have to watch the laptop or the screen save will start and then freeze
[02:45] <Shaba1> its a graphic chip
[02:45] <Shaba1> I think its a via unichrome pro or something liek that
[02:45] <Shaba1> I had to find it on the net to get the most recent ones for the windows side
[02:46] <neozen> Shaba1: yeah... go into the screensaver settings
[02:46] <neozen> Shaba1: you'll find them in the settings-manager
[02:47] <neozen> Shaba1: and just shut off the screensaver
[02:47] <neozen> Shaba1: linux seems to work best with intel nvidia and ati cards
[02:47] <neozen> Shaba1: since the majority of computers use those chipsets
[02:48] <cellofellow> via works ok too
[02:48] <neozen> via?
[02:48] <neozen> don't know of them
[02:49] <cellofellow> VIA
[02:49] <Shaba1> Ok neozen I just tried that
[02:49] <Shaba1> and the whole laptop locked
[02:49] <neozen> Shaba1: oh joy
[02:49] <cellofellow> they make like all the chips you can think of. Graphics, CPU, sound, etc.
[02:49] <Shaba1> the only reason I am talking to you is that I am here on winodws on my desktop
[02:49] <cellofellow> motherboards
[02:49] <cellofellow> big on motherboards
[02:50] <Shaba1> you notice the shaba2 left
[02:50] <rici> you tried what?
[02:50] <Shaba1> that was me on the laptop on xubutu
[02:50] <cellofellow> is that you too?
[02:50] <rici> installing a different driver, or turning off the screensaver?
[02:50] <neozen> Shaba1: great........ makes sense since part of the screensaver window attempts to display a shrunk down version of the screensaver in its window..... you might need to do research to find out where xscreensaver stores whether it should run
[02:50] <Shaba1> I tried going to the settings-manager and turning off the screen save
[02:50] <Shaba1> and the laptop locked
[02:51] <Shaba1> so I powered it down
[02:51] <rici> ln
[02:51] <neozen> Shaba1: yeah.... like I said... that makes sense
[02:51] <rici> yuk
[02:51] <neozen> Shaba1: if the screensaver ticks off your screensaver ... so will the settings window
[02:51] <cellofellow> xscreensaver has a daemon started at login by xfce.
[02:51] <neozen> Shaba1: research how to turn off the screensaver from the terminal only
[02:51] <snarfer> !mysql
[02:51] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[02:51] <neozen> Shaba1: it'll come down to editing the right file in the right place
[02:52] <cellofellow> killall xscreensaver should do it.
[02:52] <cellofellow> temporarily
[02:52] <neozen> Shaba1: man xflock and man xscreensaver should tell you what's up
[02:52] <Shaba1> oK trying it again
[02:55] <snarfer> !screenshot
[02:55] <ubotu> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.
[02:55] <snarfer> *sigh*
[02:56] <cellofellow> try the screenshooter applet
[02:56] <cellofellow> or scrot
[02:57] <snarfer> apt-get install scrot?
[02:57] <snarfer> yup
[02:57] <snarfer> thanks
[02:57] <cellofellow> yeah
[02:58] <cellofellow> it's a command line util
[02:58] <snarfer> where'd the screenie go D:
[02:58] <cellofellow> /home/yourname/scrot_something-to-do-with-date
[03:00] <cellofellow> cool tip: command line screenies can be made with fbgrab
[03:01] <neozen> cellofellow: I just use the screenshot panel applet from xfce
[03:01] <neozen> looks like a camera
[03:01] <cellofellow> not all command lines, just the framebuffer-powered console, tty's.
[03:02] <neozen> aaahhh
[03:02] <cellofellow> I mentioned that. the screenshooter applet.
[03:02] <neozen> lol...
[03:07] <neozen> so the PrtSc button actually works in linux
[03:07] <neozen> lol
[03:08] <cellofellow> I never actually got it working.
[03:10] <snarfer> !php
[03:10] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[03:10] <snarfer> !lex
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <cellofellow> what about tex?
[03:11] <cellofellow> or is that not what you were looking for?
[03:11] <snarfer> No
[03:12] <snarfer> It's a PHP5 dep
[03:14] <neozen> ..wtf is #ducksex?
[03:14] <neozen> lol
[03:15] <rici> is it something like duck typing? If it looks like a sex and quacks like a sex...
[03:16] <neozen> LOL
[03:16] <snarfer> You wouldn't understand if you lurked in #adium long enough
[03:16] <snarfer> :P
[03:17] <snarfer> So don't CTCP my nick
[03:17] <neozen> um... me whois'd
[03:17] <neozen> lol
[03:17] <neozen> !adium
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adium - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <neozen> aaah
[03:18] <neozen> lol
[03:20] <snarfer> ..................
[03:21] <snarfer> Please note how I referenced a channel
[03:22] <Shaba1> Ok
[03:22] <Shaba1> I did a man xscreenserver
[03:22] <Shaba1> but did not see anywhere in there to shut it off
[03:22] <neozen> anyone do any poking @ beagle lately?
[03:22] <neozen> looks kind of interesting
[03:23] <neozen> might stick it on the mum's computer
[03:23] <neozen> she seems to lose a lot of stuff
[03:26] <neozen> and the room goes dead
[03:27] <neozen> help! I think I killed the room!
[03:30] <Shaba1> nopew I am still here
[03:30] <Shaba1> but I still need to know how to turn off that damn screen saver
[03:30] <Shaba1> from the termineal
[03:30] <Shaba1> and how to stop whatever stores seesion I have
[03:30] <neozen> Shaba1: well... I'm not doing anything right now
[03:31] <neozen> (having an extremely lazy day)
[03:31] <neozen> I'll help in research
[03:31] <rici> you might look at ~/.xscreensaver
[03:32] <Shaba1> I did that
[03:32] <rici> and?
[03:32] <Shaba1> I did a man xscreensavers
[03:32] <Shaba1> it told me everythign except how to shut on off
[03:33] <neozen> lol
[03:33] <rici> killall xscreensaver    ?
[03:33] <rici> maybe
[03:33] <Shaba1> all kinds of stuff
[03:33] <neozen> try setting the timeout to something like 99 hours
[03:33] <Shaba1> how
[03:33] <neozen> that should be good enough
[03:33] <neozen> ...
[03:33] <Shaba1> if whenever I sart that applet the laptop freezes
[03:33] <neozen> you should see a timeout entry in ~/.xscreensaver
[03:34] <Shaba1> how am I even suppose to set the timeout
[03:34] <rici> edit the file and change the number
[03:34] <neozen> ..........the proper line in ~/.xscreensaver
[03:34] <neozen> lol
[03:34] <neozen> Shaba1: don't do much manual configuration of linux do you
[03:34] <Shaba1> this all did not start until I tried to change from the default xubuntu blocks screen saver
[03:34] <Shaba1> NO I do not neozen
[03:34] <rici> ah, which screen saver did you switch to?
[03:34] <Shaba1> I am a windows net admin
[03:35] <neozen> usually there are two ways to do everything
[03:35] <rici> at least
[03:35] <Shaba1> Which means the linux is totally new to me
[03:35] <neozen> gui.... which seems to not have all of the options
[03:35] <rici> yeah, editing text files is not the windows way
[03:35] <rici> think of them as .ini's
[03:35] <Shaba1> yes it is
[03:35] <neozen> and editing some text file somewhere.... which A always works if you've done it properly and B is universal for different distros
[03:35] <Shaba1> but window start up scripts are different
[03:35] <Shaba1> Just sayign Oh well do this
[03:35] <neozen> *versions of the same distro
[03:36] <Shaba1> is ASSuming the person has the first idea where to start
[03:36] <rici> yeah, the linux/X11 config system is a mess
[03:36] <neozen> ...redhat and debian/ubuntu store things in different spots
[03:36] <neozen> rici: I'll agree with you there
[03:36] <neozen> rici: a huge pile of short text files
[03:36] <rici> and the things which distros do to make the gui's work just exacerbate the problem
[03:36] <rici> it almost makes the registry look like a good idea
[03:36] <rici> in fact, my main issue with the registry is that it lacks comments
[03:37] <Shaba1> I mean someone told me on this channel to copy and past a file from a terminal to a xchat window
[03:37] <rici> the one really nice thing about unix traditional config files is that they usually come stuffed full of comments telling you how you might change them.
[03:37] <Shaba1> well that ASSuming that I know how copy and paste work in linux
[03:37] <rici> of course, the autogenerated ones in ubuntu/debian don't have those anyway.
[03:38] <rici> Shaba1: copy and paste works just like windows
[03:38] <Shaba1> in windows its a ctrl-c ctrl-v
[03:38] <Shaba1> thats it
[03:38] <Shaba1> Nope I tried that its now
[03:38] <Shaba1> not
[03:38] <rici> with which editor?
[03:38] <rici> it doesn't work with vim
[03:38] <Shaba1> seee
[03:38] <rici> vim is a world of it's own. however, it has menu items for cut,copy and paste
[03:39] <rici> it works fine with mousepad, though, which is the default editor
[03:40] <Shaba1> See you just mentioned 3 differnt editors
[03:40] <Shaba1> in windows Ctrl-C,Ctrl-V works everywhere
[03:40] <Shaba1> not matter what program you are using
[03:41] <rici> i mentioned two editors
[03:41] <rici> vim and mousepad
[03:41] <rici> i think ctrl-c ctrl-v works with pretty well every visual editor except vim
[03:41] <Shaba1> ok two
[03:41] <rici> but i don't use xemacs, so it might not work there either.
[03:42] <rici> fwiw, ctrl-c ctrl-v doesn't work with the windows port of vim either
[03:42] <Shaba1> my point was that you cannot just assume that as person knows how to do even the simplest things
[03:42] <rici> i don't
[03:42] <rici> i'm an ex-help-desk person
[03:42] <rici> i assume that people need to have their hands held
[03:42] <Shaba1> They may seem obvious to you because you do them all the time
[03:42] <Shaba1> OH i fell sorry for you then rici
[03:42] <DJAnubis> hey, I needz som halp
[03:42] <Shaba1> My idea of hell is going back to working help desk
[03:43] <DJAnubis> I'm trying to backup some stuff from my windows hard drive before I reinstall...I can't boot up windows at all, so I'm trying to use this to back stuff up
[03:43] <DJAnubis> how can I make it so I can see everything in my file system?
[03:45] <rici> Shaba1: i enjoyed it
[03:45] <rici> but that was a long time ago
[03:45] <rici> this is why i hang out on irc and answer questions if i can.
[03:45] <rici> the advantage to doing it as a volunteer over being paid for it, is that i can be cynical and snarky, and chose the questions i feel like answering
[03:45] <Shaba1> well I do help  for windows as a side line
[03:45] <rici> and ignore people who irritate me
[03:45] <Shaba1> but NOT using chat
[03:45] <Shaba1> or the phone
[03:46] <rici> luxuries you don't have when you're being paid for it.
[03:46] <Shaba1> I do remote control
[03:46] <Shaba1> and if they person does not want me in their comptuer then too bad I cannot help them
[03:46] <DJAnubis> like, help
[03:46] <rici> i used to do it over the phone long distance in three languages, only two of which i spoke well.
[03:46] <DJAnubis> please?
[03:46] <rici> it just takes practice
[03:46] <DJAnubis> I just want to disable the hidden stuff
[03:47] <neozen> what gives with help buttons in xfce?
[03:47] <neozen> none of them seem to work
[03:47] <DJAnubis> I want to back up my other HD, how do I enable seeing it?
[03:47] <rici> neozen: i think the urls are wrong
[03:47] <neozen> ah
[03:48] <neozen> they going to fix that in feisty?
[03:48] <DJAnubis> bloody hell, bbl
[03:48] <neozen> ...huge annoyance for new users
[03:48] <neozen> and one of the biggest complaints from my clients
[03:48] <neozen> lo
[03:48] <neozen> l
[03:48] <neozen> my excuse has been ... "hey... you said minimal!"
[03:49] <DJAnubis> can I please get help?
[03:49] <DJAnubis> kindof in a hurry
[03:49] <neozen> DJAnubis: ok...
[03:49] <neozen> DJAnubis: gotcha
[03:49] <neozen> DJAnubis: what kind of filesystem?
[03:49] <DJAnubis> I think it should be FAT32
[03:49] <neozen> DJAnubis: ok
[03:50] <DJAnubis> it may be NTFS
[03:50] <neozen> DJAnubis: have you got it mounted yet?
[03:50] <DJAnubis> yeah, it's NTFS I think
[03:50] <DJAnubis> most likely
[03:50] <DJAnubis> I can't see anything in /mnt though
[03:50] <neozen> DJAnubis: look in /media...
[03:50] <neozen> DJAnubis: stuff is mounted in media within ubuntu's
[03:50] <whitelamp> yo, how do i check what ports I have open?
[03:51] <neozen> DJAnubis: you should also see an icon on the desktop if it's an external drive
[03:51] <DJAnubis> it's an internal one
[03:51] <neozen> DJAnubis: ah
[03:51] <neozen> DJAnubis: well ... you need to know its filesystem
[03:51] <DJAnubis> and it said it existed in /mst/hdb
[03:51] <neozen> DJAnubis: mst?
[03:51] <DJAnubis> ...opps
[03:51] <DJAnubis> hold on
[03:52] <DJAnubis> gah, stupid / commands!!! /mnt/hdb
[03:52] <whitelamp> How do I check what ports are open in Xubuntu 6.06?
[03:52] <neozen> ah
[03:52] <rici> whitelamp: netstat -ltu
[03:52] <neozen> thanks rici
[03:52] <crimsun> I'd add -n
[03:52] <neozen> DJAnubis: open a new thunar window
[03:52] <rici> if the localaddress show up as localhost, it's only available on the machine
[03:52] <crimsun> no real to preform name resolution
[03:52] <DJAnubis> got one
[03:52] <neozen> DJAnubis: and browse to /mnt/hdb
[03:52] <crimsun> real need, even
[03:52] <whitelamp> so netstat -ltu in xterm?
[03:53] <whitelamp> as root
[03:53] <whitelamp> right?
[03:53] <rici> yeah, or as crimsun says -ltun
[03:53] <rici> you don't need to be root
[03:53] <whitelamp> ok, will try now
[03:53] <DJAnubis> I can't browse there
[03:53] <rici> if you want to see which program has it open, you do need to be root and you use -plunt
[03:53] <neozen> DJAnubis: why not... which error message does it throw?
[03:53] <DJAnubis> that's what I'm trying to get to, but there's nothing in the folder, and I know there's stuff there
[03:53] <DJAnubis> no error message
[03:54] <rici> my favorite one is -puta
[03:54] <neozen> DJAnubis: what did you use to mount the disk?
[03:54] <DJAnubis> there's just a nothing
[03:54] <Shaba1> neozen you come up with anything
[03:54] <neozen> Shaba1: I told you which file to edit... and which line to change
[03:54] <DJAnubis> um, I didn't "mount the disk", I don't know how to do HDs
[03:54] <neozen> Shaba1: edit ~/.xscreensaver and change the entry for timeout
[03:55] <whitelamp> does the netstat -ltu cmd show open udp ports? Im only seeing tcp...
[03:55] <neozen> Shaba1: looks like timeout hh:mm:ss
[03:55] <DJAnubis> lol, opps
[03:55] <neozen> DJAnubis: yeah.... ok then
[03:55] <DJAnubis> get back to me when I call again, I'm an idiot
[03:55] <DJAnubis> I completely misled myself
[03:55] <neozen> DJAnubis: that's why I asked you about whether you mounted it or not
[03:56] <DJAnubis> no, it said it was device /dev/hdb
[03:56] <neozen> DJAnubis: remove that directory in /mnt
[03:56] <DJAnubis> not /mnt
[03:56] <rici> whitelamp: yes, the 'u' is for udp
[03:56] <neozen> DJAnubis: it's useless
[03:56] <rici> the t is for tcp, and the l is for listen
[03:56] <DJAnubis> don't instruct me, please
[03:56] <DJAnubis> go away for a minute
[03:56] <neozen> DJAnubis: lol
[03:56] <rici> 'n' is "numbers only" and 'p' is "processes"
[03:56] <rici> there are a bunch more
[03:56] <neozen> um... you came here lol
[03:57] <DJAnubis> okay
[03:57] <neozen> ready to listen?
[03:57] <DJAnubis> what can I open the device with?
[03:57] <neozen> DJAnubis: get to a terminal
[03:57] <Shaba2> 
[03:57] <Shaba2> ggg
[03:58] <DJAnubis> okay
[03:58] <neozen> DJAnubis: cd /media
[03:59] <neozen> DJAnubis: sudo mkdir otherdrive
[03:59] <DJAnubis> otherdrive?
[03:59] <Shaba1> neozen you come up with anything
[03:59] <Shaba1> ?
[03:59] <neozen> Shaba1: just told you.... if you keep disconnecting... you'll never see the answer
[04:00] <Shaba1> ok what was it
[04:00] <neozen> Shaba1: scroll up... I'm currently helping someone else currently
[04:00] <neozen> DJAnubis: yeah
[04:00] <DJAnubis> alright
[04:00] <neozen> DJAnubis: you can call it anything you want
[04:00] <Shaba1> I was not discoing just looking at breast on video chat
[04:00] <neozen> DJAnubis: just remember the name
[04:00] <neozen> Shaba1: ::blinks::
[04:00] <DJAnubis> it'sn now known as "OTHERDRIVE" lol, the otherdrive pwns all
[04:01] <Shaba1> neozen that will not change to the screensave I want though
[04:01] <DJAnubis> then, do I mount /dev/hdb on /media/otherdrive?
[04:01] <Shaba1> I would LIKE to go back to the old red bricks one
[04:02] <Shaba1> which was not casuing my any problem
[04:02] <Shaba1> this but thing I previewed has taken over
[04:02] <Shaba1> I cannot change it
[04:02] <neozen> DJAnubis: sudo mount -t ntfs -r /dev/hdb /media/otherdrive
[04:02] <Shaba1> or stop it
[04:03] <neozen> Shaba1: this is what happens when you do stupid things with an off brand video card in X
[04:03] <neozen> Shaba1: ::shrugs::
[04:03] <DJAnubis> mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /media/otherdrive busy
[04:03] <Shaba1> hey the laptop was free and brand new
[04:03] <Shaba1> what was I suppose to do say no??
[04:03] <neozen> DJAnubis: are you sure you sudo'd
[04:03] <neozen> Shaba1: lol
[04:03] <DJAnubis> yeah
[04:03] <DJAnubis> hmm
[04:04] <DJAnubis> yaeh
[04:04] <DJAnubis> I did
[04:04] <neozen> DJAnubis: stick the output of mount in a pastebin
[04:04] <neozen> !pastebin
[04:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:04] <rici> Shaba1: do you see a line "mode: " in .xscreensaver?
[04:04] <DJAnubis> k
[04:04] <rici> try changing that to "mode: blank"
[04:04] <neozen> rici: nice... didn't know that ::makes a note::
[04:04] <neozen> lol
[04:04] <rici> i don't know if it will work
[04:05] <rici> :)
[04:05] <DJAnubis> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15724/
[04:05] <neozen> ....strange
[04:05] <whitelamp> Ok, i solved the network problem.
[04:05] <neozen> lol
[04:06] <DJAnubis> what's strange?
[04:06] <whitelamp> It seems that unlike 6.10, 6.06 does not allow rapid presses of the backspace or space key. wtf?
[04:06] <whitelamp> anyone got this prob?
[04:06] <whitelamp> anyone else*
[04:06] <neozen> DJAnubis: that output says that /dev/hdb isn't already mounted
[04:06] <neozen> whitelamp: nope... I haven't noticed that
[04:07] <neozen> whitelamp: I run dapper
[04:07] <DJAnubis> yeah
[04:07] <DJAnubis> that's wierd
[04:07] <DJAnubis> I use dapper as well :D
[04:07] <neozen> DJAnubis: fear not... I'm thinking
[04:07] <whitelamp> im on 6.06.1
[04:07] <whitelamp> damn.
[04:07] <DJAnubis> sounds like feisty?
[04:07] <neozen> DJAnubis: go into the main system menu
[04:07] <neozen> whitelamp: 6.06.1 is dapper
[04:08] <DJAnubis> what's in the main system menu
[04:08] <neozen> DJAnubis: the application menu...
[04:08] <DJAnubis> yeah, what about it
[04:08] <neozen> DJAnubis: under system
[04:08] <whitelamp> lol
[04:08] <whitelamp> "diagnoal cutters"
[04:09] <neozen> lol
[04:09] <neozen> ....I'm back sorry about that
[04:09] <DJAnubis> (22:08:28) neozen: DJAnubis: under system
[04:09] <neozen> DJAnubis: click disks
[04:10] <DJAnubis> already have that open :P
[04:10] <neozen> DJAnubis: great
[04:10] <neozen> DJAnubis: that's probably why mount is getting pissy
[04:10] <DJAnubis> aah
[04:10] <DJAnubis> so, close this and repeat mount?
[04:10] <neozen> DJAnubis: the disks-admin is a front end to mount I think
[04:10] <neozen> DJAnubis: no... you should be able to just use this
[04:11] <neozen> DJAnubis: you can see the disk in disk-admin right?
[04:11] <DJAnubis> no, I can't do anything but look here
[04:11] <neozen> DJAnubis: yes you can....
[04:11] <DJAnubis> yeah
[04:11] <neozen> DJAnubis: click the disk
[04:11] <neozen> DJAnubis: click the partition tab
[04:12] <DJAnubis> I think I did it, hold on, lemmie see
[04:12] <neozen> DJAnubis: just to the right of the properties tab
[04:13] <neozen> DJAnubis: lol... ok
[04:14] <nraic> Hi, im getting permission denied when trying to output a terminal command to a text file
[04:14] <nraic> Why could this be happing?
[04:14] <neozen> whitelamp: those are diagonal cutters... you know.. those things you use to strip the plastic coating off electrical wires or clip said wires
[04:15] <DJAnubis> man
[04:15] <neozen> whitelamp: its a quit message I've had since...... a hell of a long time back
[04:15] <neozen> DJAnubis: what... you get it working?
[04:15] <DJAnubis> I made it point to otherdrive, enabled it, but it's not doing anything :P
[04:15] <neozen> DJAnubis: guess the drive is blank then
[04:15] <DJAnubis> it's not bloody blank man
[04:15] <DJAnubis> I use it every day
[04:16] <neozen> DJAnubis: lol
[04:16] <whitelamp> Woot! fixed the key problem!
[04:16] <whitelamp> ...What is bounce keys?
[04:16] <neozen> DJAnubis: well..... then it isn't really mounted or enabled
[04:16] <DJAnubis> it's /dev/hdb1, ha, I see
[04:16] <neozen> DJAnubis: yeah
[04:17] <neozen> DJAnubis: that's what I said isn't it?
[04:17] <neozen> DJAnubis: lol
[04:17] <DJAnubis> hmm
[04:17] <neozen> DJAnubis: if not... my mistake mon.... its been a long day
[04:17] <DJAnubis> it's permission denied
[04:17] <DJAnubis> :(
[04:17] <neozen> DJAnubis: this is just a temporary thing right?
[04:17] <DJAnubis> what is?
[04:17] <neozen> DJAnubis: you're just going to mount it once?
[04:17] <neozen> DJAnubis: back it up... then be done with it?
[04:18] <DJAnubis> yeah, then rip it, then reinstall
[04:18] <DJAnubis> yup
[04:18] <neozen> DJAnubis: coo...
[04:18] <neozen> DJAnubis: from a terminal: sudo thunar
[04:18] <neozen> DJAnubis: that'll run thunar as root ... so be very careful with the delete button
[04:18] <DJAnubis> foxx@foxx-desktop:/media$ sudo thunar
[04:18] <DJAnubis> Thunar: Failed to connect to the D-BUS session bus: No reply within specified time
[04:18] <DJAnubis> lol
[04:18] <neozen> DJAnubis: wow
[04:19] <neozen> DJAnubis: you're boned
[04:19] <neozen> lol
[04:19] <whitelamp> what is the comand to mount a usb drive?
[04:19] <neozen> whitelamp: are you in xubuntu gui?
[04:19] <whitelamp> yes
[04:19] <neozen> whitelamp: you should see the drive pop up on the desktop
[04:19] <whitelamp> not showing up under thunar
[04:19] <whitelamp> or the desktop
[04:19] <neozen> whitelamp: hmmmmmmmm
[04:19] <DJAnubis> man, how the hell do I get denied access!
[04:20] <neozen> DJAnubis: your drive is bad... your bus is wonked... or you've done something very unauthorized to your kernel...... or... its just not happy
[04:20] <neozen> whitelamp: not much luck with drives these days
[04:20] <DJAnubis> YES
[04:20] <DJAnubis> I GOT IT
[04:20] <neozen> whitelamp: what filesystem is on the drive?
[04:20] <neozen> DJAnubis: lol
[04:21] <whitelamp> fat 16 or 32
[04:21] <neozen> whitelamp: strange
[04:21] <neozen> whitelamp: that should show up
[04:21] <whitelamp> ...
[04:21] <DJAnubis> you have to do "sudo thunar /media/otherdrive"
[04:21] <neozen> whitelamp: sometimes it takes hal a bit to notice
[04:21] <neozen> whitelamp: give it 30 secs or so
[04:21] <whitelamp> alright.
[04:21] <neozen> whitelamp: after you plug it in
[04:22] <DJAnubis> oh man, I'm gonna have to pick my bloody files stingily
[04:22] <neozen> I really wish linux would thunk like windows when you insert a drive so you know its actually in
[04:23] <DJAnubis> there's 14 GB of stuff I want
[04:23] <neozen> DJAnubis: just buy an external drive
[04:23] <DJAnubis> only 11 of that do I need, but I only have space for...wow, that's terrible
[04:23] <DJAnubis> OH
[04:23] <whitelamp> nope not showing up
[04:23] <neozen> DJAnubis: format it with fat32
[04:23] <DJAnubis> my dad has a 300GB!
[04:23] <DJAnubis> pwn
[04:23] <neozen> DJAnubis: and it'll just pop up when you insert it into xubuntu
[04:23] <DJAnubis> hold on
[04:23] <neozen> whitelamp: are you on feisty?
[04:24] <whitelamp> no
[04:24] <whitelamp> 6.06
[04:24] <whitelamp> .1
[04:24] <neozen> whitelamp: damn
[04:24] <neozen> lol
[04:24] <whitelamp> damn straight.
[04:24] <neozen> whitelamp: are you sure its plugged in
[04:24] <neozen> lol
[04:24] <whitelamp> yep
[04:25] <whitelamp> i'm try another port
[04:25] <neozen> whitelamp: good thinking
[04:25] <neozen> whitelamp: sometimes one's burned out
[04:25] <whitelamp> its one of those smartu3 drives
[04:25] <neozen> whitelamp: or in the case of my junior college.... someone's stuck gum in it
[04:25] <whitelamp> u3 usb drive
[04:26] <neozen> whitelamp: the dern thing should just pop up
[04:26] <neozen> whitelamp: does it for me all the time
[04:26] <whitelamp> not for me...
[04:26] <whitelamp> damn!
[04:26] <whitelamp> still not working
[04:26] <whitelamp> works on windows fine.
[04:26] <neozen> whitelamp: remember... sometimes it takes a bit for hald to notice the drive
[04:27] <whitelamp> hald?
[04:27] <neozen> hardware abstraction layer daemon...
[04:27] <whitelamp> better check what services are running...brb
[04:27] <neozen> whitelamp: lol
[04:27] <neozen> whitelamp: hald is running
[04:28] <neozen> whitelamp: or linux wouldn't be loading
[04:28] <whitelamp> ...lol
[04:28] <neozen> whitelamp: hald's kind of important
[04:28] <whitelamp> whoops
[04:28] <whitelamp> neozen: still not working
[04:28] <neozen> whitelamp: get to a terminal and type dmesg
[04:29] <neozen> whitelamp: look at the last few lines
[04:29] <DJAnubis> omg
[04:29] <neozen> whitelamp: you should see something regarding a drive being noticed
[04:29] <neozen> whitelamp: or a ton of errors
[04:29] <DJAnubis> what's the copy command in command line?
[04:29] <neozen> DJAnubis: cp
[04:30] <neozen> DJAnubis: just use thunar to copy
[04:30] <neozen> DJAnubis: it'll be easier for you
[04:30] <DJAnubis> man, I'm gonna have to see about copying something command line
[04:30] <DJAnubis> no dude, I can't use thunar, it's all permission denied
[04:30] <neozen> DJAnubis: lol... if thunar is permission denied.... cp will be denied too
[04:31] <rici> it will be the permissions on the hard drive, no?
[04:31] <whitelamp> neozen: yep, bunch of errors throughout the whole thing
[04:31] <DJAnubis> no
[04:31] <neozen> whitelamp: well then... your drive might be going kaboom
[04:31] <whitelamp> neozen: Apci errors
[04:31] <neozen> whitelamp: ahh
[04:31] <DJAnubis> I could sudo in, I may do stuff without thunar that I can do
[04:32] <rici> yep
[04:32] <neozen> whitelamp: this on a laptop?
[04:32] <whitelamp> yes
[04:32] <whitelamp> neozen:yes
[04:32] <neozen> whitelamp: what kind?
[04:32] <whitelamp> toshiba
[04:32] <rici> DJAnubis: you might want to use tar and create a compressed archive
[04:32] <neozen> whitelamp: do you know if your laptop has acpi issues?
[04:33] <rici> something like this:  tar czf /home/dj/myfiles.tar.gz /path/to/hd
[04:33] <whitelamp> neozen: ...It does. I have to disable a bunch of stuff inorder to get damn small linux to even boot.
[04:33] <whitelamp> neozen: I'm pretty sure it does.
[04:33] <rici> did you turn acpi off in your boot?
[04:33] <neozen> whitelamp: well then.......... fix those first
[04:34] <neozen> whitelamp: it might've shut off your usb bus
[04:34] <rici> that's often the easiest way
[04:34] <neozen> whitelamp: to save power
[04:34] <rici> i can't remember the magical incantation though
[04:34] <neozen> whitelamp: lol
[04:34] <neozen> rici: noacpi at a boot prompt
[04:34] <neozen> that does it for most things
[04:34] <rici> yeah, that would be it
[04:34] <rici> i had to do that a lot a few years ago, last time i did linux stuff
[04:35] <neozen> rici: problem is... no boot prompt with xubuntu by default
[04:35] <rici> F8?
[04:35] <whitelamp> The light on the usb is flashing every 10 sec, must be the usb because my other usb drive is working flawlessly
[04:35] <neozen> rici: yeah.... modern thinkpad bios has a problem with the modern kernel's video module
[04:35] <neozen> rici: I don't have to disable acpi... but I do have to blacklist video
[04:36] <neozen> under edgy and feisty
[04:36] <ututox> http://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1
[04:36] <neozen> lol
[04:36] <neozen> damn adbots
[04:36] <whitelamp> Agreed.
[04:36] <rici> too late, he's off bothering some other channel
[04:37] <rici> i had to do something acpi-like to install xubuntu on this machine
[04:37] <rici> i can't remember what anymore
[04:37] <rici> it was a month ago.
[04:37] <neozen> lol
[04:37] <whitelamp> Eh. Does anyone have firefox crash randomly?
[04:37] <whitelamp> Happens alot to me
[04:37] <rici> it works fine, it was just the installation cd that didn't
[04:37] <neozen> whitelamp: how's your ram situation?
[04:37] <neozen> lol
[04:37] <DJAnubis> amn
[04:37] <DJAnubis> man
[04:38] <neozen> whitelamp: firefox is nasty on ram
[04:38] <DJAnubis> I figured it out
[04:38] <neozen> DJAnubis: oh?
[04:38] <whitelamp> neozen: I have 4 GB of ram
[04:38] <DJAnubis> I had to make two sudo thunar windows to copy from one to the other
[04:38] <whitelamp> >:D
[04:38] <neozen> whitelamp: bloody hell!
[04:38] <whitelamp> >:D
[04:38] <DJAnubis> I have 768mb of ram
[04:38] <neozen> DJAnubis: um... duh mon
[04:38] <neozen> DJAnubis: that's how you copy with thunar
[04:39] <neozen> DJAnubis: I'd have told you that
[04:39] <neozen> DJAnubis: but you said you had it under control
[04:39] <neozen> lol
[04:39] <DJAnubis> yeah, but I didn't know that you had to have two SUDO thunars open
[04:39] <DJAnubis> I just thought it was two thunars
[04:39] <whitelamp> Firefox only crashes when I load the flash plugin
[04:39] <neozen> DJAnubis: you shouldn't ... unless you're copying on two drives you don't have permissions on
[04:39] <DJAnubis> this is some top secret buisness
[04:39] <neozen> whitelamp: lol....
[04:39] <rici> then it's probably flash
[04:39] <rici> you have a 64-bit machine, right?
[04:40] <neozen> whitelamp: ok... let me guess.... you have a 64bit architecture
[04:40] <rici> snap
[04:40] <neozen> JINX
[04:40] <DJAnubis> I'm copying from and to a drive that I should have plenty permissions
[04:40] <whitelamp> ...uh...i dont have EMT64 but i have dual core
[04:40] <whitelamp> not 64 bit
[04:40] <DJAnubis> but I don't on either, so, bag
[04:40] <DJAnubis> hey, I just got a core 2 duo
[04:40] <neozen> whitelamp: close enough
[04:40] <neozen> lol
[04:40] <DJAnubis> I don't really care about it, but, w/e
[04:41] <whitelamp> vista is gay
[04:41] <whitelamp> lol, i had to say it >.<
[04:41] <DJAnubis> once I get windows XP running again, I'll be happy, until then, I'm pissed
[04:41] <rici> the nice thing about vista i noticed for the 20 minutes or so i had it running, is the you can resize ntfs partitions with it.
[04:42] <whitelamp> You cant even copy a damn cd in vista without applyin DRM to it.
[04:42] <rici> it made it much easier to create space to install xubuntu
[04:42] <neozen> rici: ......that's probably the best thing they ever did to windows
[04:42] <neozen> rici: you can resize ntfs just fine with gparted though
[04:42] <rici> yeah, i used to use partitionmagic in my old life as a windows net admin
[04:42] <rici> but having it available native is much nicer
[04:42] <Shaba2> this sucks
[04:42] <rici> cuts down on the reboots
[04:43] <neozen> rici: as long as you don't do something stupid like size the partition below its used size
[04:43] <neozen> which I've done
[04:43] <neozen> lol
[04:43] <rici> sure, me too.
[04:43] <rici> pm is nice that way.
[04:43] <neozen> when installing on a friend's machine
[04:43] <rici> but it's at least three reboots
[04:43] <neozen> rici: not with gparted
[04:43] <whitelamp> gparted rules
[04:43] <rici> two with gparted
[04:43] <neozen> see!
[04:43] <neozen> lol
[04:44] <rici> both gparted and pm set the invalid bit so that windows automatically rebuilds the partition
[04:44] <rici> so that's two reboots
[04:44] <neozen> oh yeah
[04:44] <neozen> lol
[04:44] <neozen> forgot about booting into windows
[04:44] <whitelamp> Windows sucks.
[04:44] <rici> if you don't do that, you can fry the partition
[04:44] <neozen> .....yeah.. last time I booted into windows (for the first time in 6months)
[04:45] <neozen> it ran scandisk
[04:45] <rici> so all in all, it was nicer to just do it native in windows, and then install xubuntu and not worry about it
[04:45] <neozen> or some kind of scandisk thing
[04:45] <neozen> rici: I see your point
[04:45] <rici> Shaba2: did you see my suggestion for editing .xscreensaver ?
[04:45] <Shaba2> I cannot even find that file rici
[04:45] <rici> it's invisible
[04:45] <Shaba2> yeah i figure that
[04:45] <neozen> rici: he can't hear you... he's too busy watching boobs in another window
[04:46] <Shaba2> so how am I suppose to edit it if Its invisible
[04:46] <whitelamp> lol
[04:46] <neozen> Shaba1: LOL
[04:46] <neozen> Shaba1: get to a terminal
[04:46] <Shaba2> now I was searching the web for stuff on xcscreensaver
[04:46] <Shaba2> Ok at a terminal window
[04:46] <Shaba2> I got tow of them up in face
[04:46] <neozen> Shaba1: and type mousepad ~/.xscreensaver
[04:46] <Shaba2> two
[04:47] <neozen> see the file ?!!?!!
[04:47] <neozen> lol
[04:48] <Shaba2> that gave me some kind of error dialog
[04:48] <Shaba2> let me try it again
[04:48] <Shaba2> ok that not it
[04:48] <Shaba2> now what
[04:48] <DJAnubis> so
[04:48] <whitelamp> ...."A Smart man solves a problem, and a Wise man avoids it."
[04:48] <DJAnubis> now that I've got one
[04:48] <whitelamp> :D
[04:49] <rici> look for the line which starts   mode:
[04:49] <DJAnubis> does a Core 2 Duo do anything good?
[04:49] <rici> it should be about 20 lines down
[04:49] <Shaba2> I would rather not turn it off
[04:49] <whitelamp> DJAnubis: Erm...
[04:49] <rici> just for a bit
[04:49] <DJAnubis> I mean, better
[04:49] <rici> you can turn it on later
[04:49] <Shaba2> just change back to the default bricks
[04:49] <rici> there should be two lines
[04:49] <whitelamp> DJAnubis: It depends
[04:49] <rici> mode:
[04:49] <rici> selected:
[04:49] <rici> change them to:
[04:50] <rici> mode: blank
[04:50] <rici> selected: -1
[04:50] <Shaba2> ok mode: one
[04:50] <DJAnubis> program related "depends" or what?
[04:50] <Shaba2> and selected:211
[04:50] <rici> ah, that's a nice one.
[04:50] <whitelamp> DJAnubis: is it 64bit?
[04:50] <rici> anyway, change it to mode: blank and selected: -1
[04:50] <DJAnubis> I thought that it was supposed to be good for just a few programs
[04:50] <DJAnubis> oh, wow
[04:50] <DJAnubis> I'm not even sure
[04:51] <rici> then go to your screensaver control panel, and hope the system doesn't freeze
[04:51] <neozen> DJAnubis: yeah... for multi-threaded tasks... multi-core machines can perform much better
[04:51] <Shaba2> ok ricii done
[04:51] <rici> and then select something that doesn't freeze your system
[04:51] <Shaba2> now what
[04:51] <Shaba2> save?
[04:51] <rici> yes
[04:51] <neozen> DJAnubis: but the applications have to be written properly
[04:51] <neozen> DJAnubis: linux apps can do this right
[04:51] <DJAnubis> cool
[04:51] <neozen> DJAnubis: but it depends on the app
[04:51] <whitelamp> if it is, it will be faster for things written for 64bit cpus. If not, than little gain.
[04:51] <DJAnubis> I love linux
[04:52] <Shaba2> ok cross your fingers
[04:52] <neozen> DJAnubis: you're going to want to install just the standard 32 bit kernel though
[04:52] <DJAnubis> but, know much about processors?
[04:52] <neozen> DJAnubis: ie.. the i386 one
[04:52] <Shaba2> If Shaba2 leaves then you know it did not work
[04:52] <whitelamp> 64 bit has issues
[04:52] <neozen> DJAnubis: 64bit apps are just too buggy right now
[04:52] <DJAnubis> ... I know what do do with linux, I'm not staying with linux
[04:52] <whitelamp> 64 bit kernel has issues*
[04:52] <Shaba2> ok no lock up
[04:52] <whitelamp> ...
[04:52] <Shaba2> gee
[04:53] <neozen> DJAnubis: sorry to hear that mon
[04:53] <DJAnubis> I want to know if this processor is 32 or 64
[04:53] <neozen> DJAnubis: you a gamer or something?
[04:53] <Shaba2> now now do I change it back to the bricks if I an
[04:53] <rici> right, now you can change the mode
[04:53] <DJAnubis> yeah, major one
[04:53] <rici> and carefully select a screensaver
[04:53] <rici> i don't know which one is the default, sorry
[04:53] <DJAnubis> and I use programs like Reason
[04:53] <DJAnubis> I makes da moosix
[04:53] <neozen> DJAnubis: aaahhh.
[04:53] <neozen> DJAnubis: well that explains it..
[04:53] <neozen> DJAnubis: ever do much work with ableton?
[04:54] <neozen> DJAnubis: I have a mac buddy who won't shut up about it
[04:54] <DJAnubis> and I love xubuntu, so, I choose it as my main backup
[04:54] <DJAnubis> ableton?
[04:54] <DJAnubis> screw ableton!
[04:54] <neozen> lol
[04:54] <DJAnubis> I bloody hated their trial, makes no sense, there's no sequencer, you pretty much have to record yourself live....alot!
[04:55] <whitelamp> Man, to bad the PSPlinux team hasn't made any progress.....
[04:55] <DJAnubis> no kidding?
[04:55] <whitelamp> Linux on psp would pwn
[04:55] <DJAnubis> man, I want a little rat on a PSP
[04:55] <DJAnubis> as my bootsplash
[04:55] <whitelamp> lol
[04:55] <whitelamp> Rat pwnage
[04:55] <DJAnubis> zup zup
[04:56] <whitelamp> rat eating the sony logo as if it were cheese
[04:56] <DJAnubis> okay, can you help me out?
[04:56] <DJAnubis> I need to figure out my processor
[04:56] <Shaba1> well rici
[04:56] <Shaba1> thanks
[04:56] <Shaba1> gotta do it again
[04:56] <whitelamp> Hmm....
[04:56] <Shaba1> I hit one that did lock meup
[04:56] <rici> oops
[04:56] <DJAnubis> it's an "Intel Core2Duo E4300 Ty"
[04:57] <rici> well, at least you know how to do it now :(
[04:57] <Shaba1> Welll at least now I know how to get it back
[04:57] <whitelamp> Thats 64 bit. 90% sure.
[04:57] <Shaba1> damn
[04:57] <DJAnubis> "Core2Duo 1.8GHz@800FSB"
[04:57] <whitelamp> E4300, e series, I'm pretty sure
[04:57] <Shaba1> Ok how about getting rid of that "saved session
[04:57] <DJAnubis> omg, no way
[04:57] <DJAnubis> AGH
[04:57] <DJAnubis> expliteves!!!!
[04:58] <DJAnubis> I need to download the 64x version now!
[04:58] <rici> Shaba1: when you shut down normally, i think it will ask you if you want to save the session
[04:58] <BFTD> DJAnubis the i386 should work fine
[04:58] <Shaba1> nope it just quits
[04:58] <rici> otherwise, go into the Startup and Sessions control panel
[04:58] <DJAnubis> BFTD, you sure?
[04:58] <rici> and deselect automatically save on shutdown
[04:58] <rici> and select the option to ask you
[04:59] <DJAnubis> agh
[04:59] <BFTD> DJAnubis I'm doing it now
[04:59] <rici> then say no
[04:59] <rici> when it asks
[04:59] <DJAnubis> I'm talking about using this with windows
[04:59] <DJAnubis> xp
[04:59] <DJAnubis> home
[04:59] <DJAnubis> I'm using xubuntu as my backup
[04:59] <DJAnubis> so, I want to learn from some people with experience, is there a windows channel?
[05:00] <BFTD> yes but thats blaspheme
[05:01] <DJAnubis> dude, I'm a music producer
[05:01] <DJAnubis> I don't want to try running reason in xubuntu
[05:01] <DJAnubis> it will be painful I assume
[05:01] <rici> GetViewPortIsFullOfLies:False
[05:01] <DJAnubis> hey, I could try it now though
[05:01] <rici> that's the sort of configuration line i really like
[05:02] <Shaba2> ok back
[05:02] <rici> ... from the end of .xscreensaver
[05:02] <Shaba2> back on linux
[05:02] <rici> yeah, did you see the Settings and Startup advice?
[05:03] <rici> Settings |  Sessions and Startup
[05:03] <Shaba2> nope
[05:03] <rici> turn off autosave session
[05:03] <Shaba2> iwas rebooting
[05:03] <rici> turn on prompt on shutdown
[05:03] <rici> shutdown
[05:03] <rici> when it prompts you, say "don't save"
[05:03] <rici> that *should* do it
[05:04] <Shaba2> ok that I got done on my own
[05:04] <Shaba2> Like I said I am not a total newbie
[05:04] <Shaba2> just to linux
[05:04] <rici> cool
[05:04] <Shaba2> brb
[05:04] <rici> seeya
[05:06] <Shaba1> nope that did not work
[05:07] <Shaba1> still teminal,xchat and gedit coming up
[05:07] <DJAnubis> I'll brb
[05:07] <Shaba1> and I unchecked save session
[05:11] <Shaba1> I mean that is not a big deal
[05:11] <Shaba1> just irritating
[05:11] <Shaba1> to have to close all those windows
[05:14] <rici> ok
[05:15] <rici> your sessions are in ~/.cache/sessions
[05:15] <rici> the one it uses is, i think, the one with the latest date
[05:15] <rici> but i'm not 100% sure
[05:17] <Shaba1> ok I did a mousepad ~/.chache/sessions
[05:17] <Shaba1> I got at error dialog that said
[05:17] <rici> did that work?
[05:17] <rici> yeah, it's a directory
[05:17] <rici> do Thunar ~/.cache/sessions
[05:17] <rici> that will open up a directory browser
[05:18] <rici> you can just double click to open the files, but editing them by hand is likely to be a pain.
[05:18] <rici> what i'd do is move all of them to a temporary directory, and restart
[05:18] <rici> that should create a new session file with sensible defaults
[05:19] <rici> if the defaults aren't sensible enough, you can start moving the old ones back in
[05:20] <Shaba2> ok rebooting agian
[05:22] <Shaba2> ok that worked
[05:22] <Shaba2> although the background of the destktop is ligher then it use to be
[05:22] <Shaba2> it worked
[05:22] <rici> cool
[05:22] <Shaba2> thank rici
[05:22] <Shaba2> I owe you
[05:23] <rici> i'll collect someday :)
[05:23] <Shaba2> I would
[05:23] <rici> just be nice and help someone else somewhere else
[05:23] <Shaba1> I am not nice
[05:23] <Shaba1> Now I can get a drink
[05:28] <BFTD> hrm>
[05:28] <BFTD> ><<>><
[06:10] <Kikkoman> Just out of curiosity, what is Xubuntu?
[06:10] <Kikkoman> I've read some things on it, but I don't have a clear idea of what it is.
[06:13] <BFTD> Its Ubuntu except with the XFCE windows manager
[06:34] <Exien> I have a monitor whose native resolution 1680x1050 but I can't set it to it :(
[06:35] <Exien> Well, I have two monitors. Its a laptop so I have a second monitor (I only want it as 1, even if it mirrors) but it goes to my laptop's native resolution which is 1280x800 and I want it to look right on the second monitor =\
[06:35] <Exien> I changed my xorg.conf to include both resolutions but it doesn't work :(
[06:42] <BFTD> Exien the max for the laptops is the max you can do
[06:47] <Exien> No
[06:48] <Exien> I used to do it in Edgy with Ubuntu
[06:48] <Exien> And it worked the way I wanted it to, but now its not. I don't know if the issue is because of Xfce or Feisty but I had Gnome on Edgy before
[06:54] <Exien> Well I'm going to bed, I'll figure out in the morning. Thanks for your input.
[07:16] <Shaba1> anyone got a web cam to work with xubuntu?
[07:20] <maxamillion> Shaba1: not personally but there is an application called gqcam that is supposed to handle them rather nicely and you can install it from the repositories with the package manager of your choice
[08:26] <sli> siemka
[08:26] <sli> sa jacys polacy ?
[08:30] <dadan_x> i have a problem regarding installation of xubuntu. At certain moment when Xubuntu should start from the live cd my monitor starts to blink (as it would autost the screen resolution) then is stops at the default (and empty) blue screen of Xfce, i tryed to start also with ubuntu then the same thing happended just the color of the screen was ubuntu's light brown. computer: pIII 224 ram. Any ideas?
[08:35] <kalikiana> dadan_x, If the live cd is not running you *could* install the alternate or server cd.
[08:40] <dadan_x> but it's not working with the alternate cd
[08:42] <kalikiana> dadan_x, What error do you get when installing with the alternate cd?
[08:45] <dadan_x> that it cannot read the cd
[08:45] <kalikiana> That sounds like either the download was broken or the burning.
[08:46] <kalikiana> You should md5 your iso file.
[08:46] <kalikiana> !md5
[08:46] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[08:46] <dadan_x> i'll check the cd
[09:03] <unikon>  in the terminal when i type in uptime i  show 2 users is that normal or not
[09:07] <kalikiana> unikon, Sure, why not? I have three users ;)
[09:07] <kalikiana> That could be you and root for example.
[09:07] <unikon> ty kalikiana
[09:08] <kalikiana> :)
[09:17] <unikon> im still using 6.06 xubuntu is there anything newer
[09:21] <kalikiana> unikon, There is 6.1 (Edgy Edge). And at the end of this Month 7.1 (Feisty Fawn) will be released.
[09:22] <hyper_ch> unikon: or you can already use the beta of feisty fawn today
[09:26] <unikon> doesnt use beta's
[10:38] <ZPM> ok im not sure weather to ask this here or in kubuntu because im using KDE but my distro is Xubuntu, when i first started using KDE all the screensavers were there and they worked. now (and i dont know when they did) they arent working and they dont even appear at all in the control center?
[10:40] <rici> did you accidentally delete ~/.xscreensaver ?
[10:42] <ZPM> no i dont believe so
[10:42] <ZPM> i havent deleted any folders
[10:42] <ZPM> ya its still there
[12:42] <schlumpf-> hi i got xubuntu 7.04 i am trying to download a wine update. which one should i choose ubuntu edgy 6.10 or ubuntu dapper 6.06?
[12:43] <Grey_Loki> Neither, IMO.
[12:46] <schlumpf-> http://www.winehq.org/site/download
[12:46] <schlumpf-> so which one then?
[12:46] <grazie> schlumpf-: The latest wine version is nearly alway the best. It's not tied to version of ubuntu
[12:47] <schlumpf-> well why do they offer diffrent download for difrent distribution
[12:49] <grazie> schlumpf-: ah yes....someone has prepare packages for different versions of ubuntu. The edgy version would be closer to feisty but I cannot say whether it'll work
[12:49] <qiuhou> why don't you just use the package control system?
[12:50] <grazie> I don't what's in the repos for wine right now, but in the past they have been quite old...you should check though
[12:50] <grazie> don't know*
[12:51] <qiuhou> which version have you got?
[12:51] <qiuhou> hhh
[12:51] <qiuhou> which version have you got?
[12:51] <qiuhou> sry, problems with the clint
[12:53] <grazie> qiuhou: don't know if that's for me or schlumpf- but I'm using v.0.9.34 which is fine for me
[12:53] <tripppy> ive installed VNC and it plays local files. why won't it stream from udp?
[12:54] <tripppy> ive installed VLC and it plays local files. why won't it stream from udp?
[12:55] <schlumpf-> grazie, i got .33 but one thing doesnt work so they told me to upgrade
[12:56] <qiuhou> the .33 is the version I got with the Package Organiser as well
[12:56] <schlumpf-> so i need to add that server to my sources.list right?
[12:56] <schlumpf-> and then just rund apt-get update
[12:57] <qiuhou> I don't know -yet ;)
[12:57] <schlumpf-> well ill try
[12:58] <qiuhou> please, and tell me what you try
[12:58] <qiuhou> I'm sorta new to this
[12:58] <schlumpf-> me 2
[12:58] <grazie> schlumpf-: the versions on the winehq website will be the latest. Whether installing an edgy wine package on feisty will break your system I can't say, but it is a possible risk.
[12:59] <Grey_Loki> grazie, that's why I said that I wouldn't install either :P
[12:59] <schlumpf-> ah kk
[12:59] <schlumpf-> so i wont try
[12:59] <schlumpf-> :)
[01:00] <grazie> Grey_Loki: I see...I thought you were still bitter about you're wine breakage on edgy
[01:00] <Grey_Loki> grazie, i'm still annoyed about it, yes, but i'm not gonna start giving out bad advice because of it
[01:01] <grazie> Grey_Loki: of course...I was trying to be funny...maybe I failed?
[01:01] <Grey_Loki> IRC isn't the best medium for subtle humour - I think the sarcasm gets lost in the translation to ASCII :D
[01:02] <Grey_Loki> Heh
[01:03] <Grey_Loki> 's cool dude - if you were annoying me, i'd just stick you on my ignore list or something
[01:35] <E42> hi
[01:36] <E42> how to modifity the main xfce panel , for example : accessory , graphics ,multimedia , etc?
[01:36] <grazie> E42: do you mean the menu?
[01:37] <E42> grazie , yes
[01:37] <E42> grazie , standardly its in the upper lefft corner
[01:37] <E42> grazie, basicly *
[01:37] <grazie> E42: ah...just right click aand move
[01:38] <E42> grazie , no that not why i mean i want to delete some things from the others ,graphics panel
[01:39] <E42> grazie , i mean i want to delete some apps from there
[01:39] <grazie> E42: all the groups you mentioned are in the system menu
[01:39] <grazie> E42: these all have .desktop files which you edit in /usr/share/applications
[01:41] <grazie> E42: if you don't want gimp for example. then rename or delete gimp.desktop
[01:41] <E42> grazie, ok i understand i just cant found the things i want to delete
[01:42] <grazie> E42: then use grep in that folder maybe?
[01:42] <E42> grazie , ok i have to go , thx !
[01:42] <grazie> np
[02:02] <Maximilian1st> Hi, is there a way to enable dbus for the wpa_supplicant package in ubuntu? By hacking the diff file of the package or so?
[02:03] <Maximilian1st> Also, the package is given as 5.7 but when you ask wpa_supplicant -v it says 5.5!
[02:03] <Maximilian1st> Am I missing something here?
[02:04] <Maximilian1st> still, when you compare the package file and the original 5.7 they seem to be identic...
[02:04] <Maximilian1st> Should I better ask this on ubuntu? This is not really specific to xubuntu actually...
[02:08] <qiuhou> yeah, try asking there. I think there are more people as well
[02:09] <Maximilian1st> Unfortunately, this is not the kind of easy questions that are answered...
[02:09] <Maximilian1st> Doesn't matter, I'll just try reading the patch file from the deb package and see if I can find something that could help me out...
[04:15] <eclipse> Hi, i already use Ubuntu, but i want to switch to Xubuntu, do i have to reinstall it again or is there a shortcut ?
[04:16] <qiuhou> I think you just need to install the xfce package
[04:17] <mrsno> yea you can install the xubuntu-desktop meta package eclipse to get everything you get with a xfce desktop install , or just select xfce from synaptic and install that way
[04:18] <eclipse> mrsno: super
[04:18] <eclipse> thanks
[04:18] <mrsno> noprob :)
[04:22] <dadan_x> i tryed to install Xubuntu on a pIII vith 224 RAM from an alternate cd, when the installation is finished and i boot from the hard disk i get an error message: the greeter application appears to be crashing, Attempting to use a different one, then i press ok and i get an empty blue screen (i thing it is Xfce's default blue desktop color), any ideas?
[04:25] <grazie> dadan_x: I'd suspect your video card/driver problems first. Do you know what it is?
[04:25] <dadan_x> it's an old one
[04:26] <dadan_x> and before the stable blue screen it blink 4-5 times
[04:26] <grazie> dadan_x: does ctrl+alt+f1 give you a console that's usuable?
[04:26] <dadan_x> or maybe more, like it would autoset resolution or something
[04:26] <dadan_x> i tryed ctrl+alt+f1
[04:27] <dadan_x> it doesn't work
[04:27] <grazie> dadan_x: reboot and select recovery mode from the menu
[04:27] <dadan_x> but it does the same thing
[04:27] <dadan_x> asking for network setup, keyboard layout...
[04:27] <grazie> dadan_x: have you installed yet?
[04:28] <dadan_x> what do u mean?have i ever installed xubuntu?
[04:28] <dadan_x> i don't undestand
[04:28] <dadan_x> it' an old machine
[04:29] <dadan_x> so xubuntu was never been installed on it
[04:29] <dadan_x> if u mean tat
[04:29] <grazie> dadan_x: you are trying to install xubuntu onto your hard drive from the alternate cd, yes? How far have you got?
[04:30] <grazie> dadan_x: if the alternate cd is booted, try alt+f2
[04:30] <dadan_x> the installation finishes, it sais that i'll have to change the oem user after some certain settings, it drops out the alternate cd, boots from hard
[04:30] <dadan_x> and then nothing...
[04:30] <grazie> dadan_x: you did an oem install?
[04:31] <dadan_x> yes
[04:31] <grazie> any particular reason?
[04:31] <dadan_x> no
[04:31] <dadan_x> i should try another kinde of installation
[04:31] <dadan_x> ?
[04:31] <dadan_x> text?
[04:32] <dadan_x> i'm a newbie so mayby that's why i have choosed oem installation bcause i thougt it's more user friendly
[04:32] <grazie> unfortunately I never have, although I wouldn't have thought it would give you the problem you've got. I just can't tell how to complete the install
[04:33] <dadan_x> what implies text mode install?
[04:33] <grazie> dadan_x: do you have recovery mode in the boot menu?
[04:33] <dadan_x> yes
[04:33] <dadan_x> i have
[04:34] <grazie> dadan_x: the alternate cd install is text mode no matter which option you choose
[04:34] <cellofellow> I installed a kernel-image update yesterday and now I can not boot. Grub works fine, but I turned off the splash screen and I saw huge amounts of IDE and DMA errors on my two hard drives.
[04:34] <grazie> dadan_x: I'm surprised you get the same blue screen in recovery mode. I have no answer for that.
[04:35] <grazie> cellofellow: feisty?
[04:35] <cellofellow> edgy. I was away for three weeks. Did Feisty release yet?
[04:35] <dadan_x> any ideas whom to ask?
[04:36] <grazie> dadan_x: oem is only different in setting user data up after installation is complete is far as I know
[04:36] <cellofellow> you get a blue screen? I only ever get that when X is mis-behaving.
[04:36] <grazie> dadan_x: some else on thr channel may know
[04:36] <dadan_x> i get an empty blues screen
[04:36] <cellofellow> :(
[04:36] <grazie> cellofellow: feisty has problems. edgy should be fine
[04:37] <dadan_x> but as i said before, i tryed to install ubuntu also and i got the same emty screen but with other color
[04:37] <cellofellow> what video card are you using?
[04:38] <grazie> dadan_x: all ubuntu flavours behave very similarly...it's not an xubuntu specific problem
[04:38] <grazie> dadan_x: could you boot the live cd ok?
[04:38] <cellofellow> can I use chroot from the live cd and apt to perhaps fix whatever is happening with my hard drive install?
[04:38] <grazie> cellofellow: yep
[04:38] <dadan_x> no when i boot from the live cd the proble is the same
[04:39] <dadan_x> with xubuntu  and with ubuntu too
[04:39] <cellofellow> sounds like video
[04:39] <grazie> dadan_x: are you sure you get the same problem with recovery mode option?
[04:39] <dadan_x> i will change the video care and give it a shot
[04:39] <dadan_x> no i'm not sure
[04:40] <grazie> unfortunately I have to pop out for an 1/2 hour. Try the recovery mode again
[04:40] <dadan_x> when i saw that recovery mode does the same thing the "install in oem mode" which took me over an hour i stopped it, but it seems it was foolish
[04:41] <dadan_x> thank you for you time guys!
[04:41] <cellofellow> recovery mode, with no X, gives you grief? I think your card dislikes the console.
[04:41] <grazie> dadan_x: stopping mid install is not a good idea
[04:41] <dadan_x> i'm newbie how do u skip X?
[04:42] <cellofellow> use Alternate CD or Recovery Mode.
[04:42] <dadan_x> ok! thanks again!
[04:45] <cellofellow> [1579.269152]  hda: drive not ready for command
[04:45] <cellofellow> what's that mean?
[04:46] <cellofellow> I get loads of that, from the livecd, just with different numbers. (I think they are timestamps.)
[04:47] <cellofellow> I hate reinstalling, but I think I'll have to.
[04:48] <cellofellow> !info linux-image
[04:48] <ubotu> Package linux-image does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[04:49] <cellofellow> !info linux-generic
[04:49] <ubotu> linux-generic: Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.17.11 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[05:05] <cellofellow> well, I just formatted my / disk. now I have to reconfigure. :(
[05:15] <cellofellow> dangit, I think that partitioning stuff has froze.
[05:15] <grazie> cellofellow: that "[1579.269152]  hda: drive not ready for command" looks like a kernel boot message cause by you kernel trying access the drive before it's ready to read. May the hd is on it's last?
[05:19] <cellofellow> perhaps
[05:19] <cellofellow> It's sort of old
[05:20] <cellofellow> (golly, I missed a lot of news this past few weeks. Compiz a Beryl merging, next version of ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon (not my choice, but cool nonetheless.) Wow.)
[05:21] <cellofellow> hi
[05:22] <grazie> cellofellow: if it is your hd, you'll have lots of ide errors in dmesg
[05:22] <cellofellow> I do. drat.
[05:22] <cellofellow> This drive worked fine yesterday.
[05:23] <cellofellow> this is my second drive to go haywire in the last month or two.
[05:23] <cellofellow> DriveReady DeviceFault Error
[05:23] <cellofellow> DriveStatusError
[05:24] <cellofellow> the last drive I caught before it actually died, it was clicking like mad, and put the stuff on it on this one.
[05:24] <grazie> three things in life are certain. 1.taxes 2. death. 3. hard drives wear out :(
[05:24] <cellofellow> I wish Flash was cheaper. It has no moving parts and shouldn't wear out like that.
[05:24] <kalikiana> grazie, How long did your hd's do so far?
[05:25] <cellofellow> these ones are at least 8 years old.
[05:25] <kalikiana> Mine is about 2 or 3 years old. And I hope it will become older.
[05:26] <cellofellow> well, I'll get back to this later.
[05:26] <cellofellow> bbl
[05:26] <grazie> kalikiana:  I've lost two old ones in about 10 years from of about 10. Can't be any more specific than that
[05:28] <kalikiana> I'm not doing too many backups and wondering if I should backup regularly, on DVD-RW or Flash?
[05:28] <grazie> one was a quantum fireball (crap) and the other was a fujistu with a known controller problem (can be fixed apparently if you can get the right part)
[05:30] <grazie> I like hd backups. Good a long as you've nearly always got at least two copies somewhere
[05:45] <Arianna> D-LINK Airplus DWL-G630 PCIMA card... fresh install of Xubuntu 7.04 Beta... Network manager, configure it, says configuring interface and crashes... Card flashes and seems to be totally recognised during the configuration, and then when it crashes it switches off.
[05:46] <h3sp4wn> what happened to the release candidate ?
[05:47] <xubuntu_tester> hello folks
[05:50] <atidem> hello folks
[05:50] <atidem> is there a system that permits to install xubuntu from ms windows?
[05:52] <grazie> atidem: yes. never done it myself though
[05:52] <grazie> !install | atidem
[05:52] <ubotu> atidem: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[05:54] <atidem> grazie: thanks
[05:54] <grazie> np
[06:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:05] <kalikiana> hi slow-motion :)
[06:05] <slow-motion> hi kalikiana
[06:39] <beg1689> /jion #xfce
[06:40] <beg1689> is it possible to add thunar actions similar to nautilus-actions-config?
[06:40] <beg1689> more specifically i want to be able to right click a file and send it to a bluetooth device, in nautilus i just have it send the file to gnome-obex-send
[06:41] <kalikiana> beg1689, There are Thunar's custom user actions :)
[06:42] <kalikiana> It's under the Edit menu.
[06:42] <beg1689> man i knew that too, slipped my mind
[06:43] <kalikiana> :)
[06:44] <beg1689> works great
[06:45] <beg1689> my other problem is I cant figure out why a few of my icons are appearing in the "Other" folder
[06:45] <beg1689> isnt it just the categories that decide?
[06:46] <beg1689> i have 4 shoructs there and i dont know where the .desktops for them are
[06:46] <beg1689> arent n .local or /usr/share/app*S
[06:46] <kalikiana> beg1689, Many programs don't use standard categories. So you need to fix it or tell the maintainer.
[06:47] <beg1689> its me
[06:47] <beg1689> i cant find the .desktop for them either
[06:47] <kalikiana> Hm, sounds weird. Maybe they are in the menu itself: right-click and choose 'edit menu'.
[06:47] <beg1689> nope
[06:48] <kalikiana> You mean you installed/packaged the files? Then you can edit the desktop files of course.
[06:48] <beg1689> well one of them is "Printing Notification Icon"
[06:49] <beg1689> and the other 3 are ones that i must have created at some point, but i cant find them
[06:49] <kalikiana> You could do a 'find / -name "*whatever*"' or look into the tarballs you installed from.
[06:50] <beg1689> so theres no way to tell what .desktops actualy get loaded?
[06:52] <kalikiana> beg1689, Normally it's the two folders you mentioned. One could look into the source...
[06:52] <beg1689> found em
[06:53] <beg1689> i picked bad filenames
[06:53] <beg1689> but using thunar i just looked for what they were named
[06:53] <beg1689> (in the desktop, not the actual file)
[06:54] <beg1689> dont understand why gnome never showed them though
[06:55] <kalikiana> Gnome?
[06:55] <beg1689> yea im switching over from gnome
[06:55] <beg1689> might install a fresh xubuntu after the actual release of feisty
[06:57] <kalikiana> I guess Gnome is a bit different, for example xfce is extremely after standards. Which is not so easy for an established environment like Gnome.
[06:57] <beg1689> i definately like xfce better
[06:57] <beg1689> it has more features than gnome, and much faster
[06:58] <beg1689> the only thing i dont have know is fullscreen
[06:58] <beg1689> for apps
[06:59] <beg1689> i liked being able to have fullscreen things actually run in a window that was set as fullscreen, so that i could easily use other programs or switch desktops
[07:01] <kalikiana> beg1689, alt-f11
[07:01] <beg1689> doesnt seem to do anything
[07:03] <kalikiana> For me it makes the current window fill the screen entirely with no decoration or borders.
[07:03] <beg1689> did i explain it right? with metacity or enlightenment, maybe some other WMs, you could toggle a fullscreen thing for a window, which simply made it the size of the screen and removed its border.  it could even be set on the bottom or top
[07:03] <beg1689> yeah thats what i want
[07:04] <beg1689> is that using xfwm?
[07:04] <kalikiana> Yep, xfwm4, xfce 4.4.0.
[07:04] <beg1689> the ordering isnt important, cuase i can just switch desktops, but why wont it work for me?
[07:04] <kalikiana> Did you choose a resizable window?
[07:05] <beg1689> yes
[07:05] <beg1689> thunar
[07:05] <beg1689> and this IRC window
[07:05] <kalikiana> Any chance that you changed the keyboard settings?
[07:05] <beg1689> its not in my keyboard shortcuts
[07:05] <beg1689> its not int he defaults either
[07:07] <kalikiana> beg1689, Look in the window manager settings.
[07:07] <kalikiana> There's a tab called 'keyboard'.
[07:07] <beg1689> i see
[07:07] <kalikiana> Do you see alt-f11 in there?
[07:08] <beg1689> yea
[07:08] <beg1689> maybe i should start looking harder
[07:08] <beg1689> all 3 of my problems were trivial
[07:09] <kalikiana> Are you running a default xfce? Maybe you are running some gnome or other program catching keys.
[07:10] <beg1689> ok, xfce is officially perfect
[07:14] <kalikiana> :D
[07:15] <kalikiana> Good evening.
[07:15] <somerville32> kalikiana, I got a UFV approved for catfish
[07:18] <kalikiana> somerville32, Hooray! :D
[07:40] <cellofellow> my computer is so screwed. :(
[07:41] <BFTD> is it?
[07:41] <BFTD> what's wrong?
[07:41] <cellofellow> well, my / hard drive crashed and now my BIOS is going nuts after I took it out.
[07:42] <cellofellow> and it ain't booting from my CD drive. Do CD drives have to master to be bootable?
[07:42] <cellofellow> k
[07:42] <cellofellow> that explains why they are usually hdc instead of hdb
[07:42] <BFTD> no
[07:43] <cellofellow> i put mine in hdb and it aint working
[07:51] <BFTD> How do i get a new login without closing/exiting this one?
[07:52] <cellofellow> does the LiveCD use GRUB?
[07:53] <BFTD> it has grub on it but doesn't need grub
[07:53] <cellofellow> huh
[07:53] <grazie> BFTD: a gui login on fiesty....switch user
[07:53] <BFTD> this is edgy
[07:54] <grazie> BFTD: don't think it's supported on standard install
[07:55] <cellofellow> future reference: gdmflexiserver is the command run by "New Login"
[07:57] <cellofellow> BFTD: try gdmflexiserver to login with a different user on a different graphical terminal.
[07:57] <BFTD> eh
[07:57] <cellofellow> eh?
[07:57] <BFTD> that
[07:57] <BFTD> s ok
[08:00] <cellofellow> what is a reasonable size for a / partition?
[08:00] <cellofellow> a size that will be large enough for plenty of stuff, yet will help me keep bloat down.
[08:01] <BFTD> I made mine 14 GB
[08:01] <BFTD> and my home 30 GB
[08:01] <cellofellow> I could do that
[08:01] <cellofellow> Is 14GB still somewhat empty?
[08:01] <BFTD> although i only have 2% space left on both of them
[08:02] <cellofellow> 14GB is only 2% left when it's only /usr and /etc ? (mostly)
[08:02] <cellofellow> they take the most space in my experience
[08:02] <cellofellow> and /var/cache/apt
[08:02] <BFTD> well I have /usr and /etc on the same partition
[08:03] <cellofellow> me too.
[08:04] <cellofellow> just /home on its own
[08:04] <BFTD> I wonder if you could use /var/cache/apt do upgrade another system
[08:04] <cellofellow> I've wondered too.
[08:04] <BFTD> to*
[08:05] <cellofellow> now, I have /home in hda1 and / in hda2. I don't want that. How do I move hda2 to hda1 without damaging anything.
[08:06] <cellofellow> any /home hyper_ch?
[08:06] <BFTD> on one system I have 20 GB for root and 90 for home
[08:06] <hyper_ch> --> /home is 290GB
[08:06] <BFTD> haha
[08:06] <cellofellow> big drives
[08:06] <grazie> cellofellow: no problem an a mac disk...not sure if possible on an mbr disk
[08:07] <BFTD> I wish you could raid single partitions
[08:07] <hyper_ch> my mistate
[08:07] <hyper_ch> 290gb that are free
[08:07] <hyper_ch> 420GB on /home
[08:07] <cellofellow> wow
[08:07] <cellofellow> you must have raid
[08:07] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: nah, a 500gb drive
[08:07] <BFTD> raid 2 single partitions that is
[08:07] <hyper_ch> and a 350 one
[08:07] <hyper_ch> and a 160 one
[08:07] <hyper_ch> and a 120 one
[08:07] <cellofellow> I have 40.
[08:07] <hyper_ch> and a 60gb laying besided the computer... can't put it into it anymore
[08:08] <BFTD> all I have is a 160GB, 80 GB, and 60 GB
[08:08] <cellofellow> and a dead 10 and a dead 13
[08:08] <hyper_ch> well, I could remove the floppy, then I would have a place to put the 60gb drvie back in :)
[08:08] <BFTD> I'm gonna add 3 SCSI once I figure out how to take them out of this case
[08:08] <cellofellow> I can only put 4 IDE drives max.
[08:08] <hyper_ch> BFTD: brute force :)
[08:09] <BFTD> haha
[08:09] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: I can put in 4x IDE and 2xSATA
[08:09] <BFTD> na, its like this housing that the HDD is in
[08:09] <BFTD> I can have 4xIDE, 4xSATA, and 3x SCSI
[08:10] <hyper_ch> isn't scsi damn loud?
[08:10] <BFTD> yeah but my fans are louder
[08:10] <hyper_ch> (and expensive for the memory thats on it)?
[08:11] <cellofellow> and that is obviously modest.
[08:11] <BFTD> ah
[08:12] <hyper_ch> and a surround system
[08:12] <hyper_ch> and a second monitor
[08:12] <BFTD> hyper_ch thats outdated
[08:12] <hyper_ch> and ...
[08:12] <hyper_ch> and ...
[08:12] <hyper_ch> and ...
[08:12] <hyper_ch> BFTD: what do you want then?
[08:12] <hyper_ch> <-- GeForce 2 GTS/Pro ^^
[08:13] <cellofellow> what about SLI cards? why settle for one GPU when you can have 2?
[08:13] <BFTD> screw the video card, 4 quad CPU's, 64 GB of RAM, 60 TB of HDD space
[08:13] <cellofellow> sounds like a supercomputer/server
[08:13] <BFTD> wait a few more months, you'll be able to do 3 in an SLi
[08:13] <hyper_ch> 3 in an SLi?
[08:13] <cellofellow> and have dual-core cards I bet.
[08:13] <BFTD> yeah
[08:14] <highvoltage> geez, what computer is that?
[08:14] <BFTD> 8800 is dual core
[08:14] <hyper_ch> BFTD: what do you mean by that?
[08:14] <cellofellow> double dualcore
[08:14] <Ramla> Isn't there SLI and quad SLI?
[08:14] <hyper_ch> !sli
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sli - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <hyper_ch> hmmm
[08:14] <BFTD> 3 cards working together in Harmony
[08:14] <hyper_ch> ah ok
[08:14] <Ramla> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_sli#Quad_SLI
[08:14] <hyper_ch> and you think you can play pong on that?
[08:15] <BFTD> I'm sure you'd be able to do 2 separate SLi's
[08:15] <cellofellow> when you have 2 cards, you can either SLI them (newer technology) for one monitor or you can have each power a seperate monitor.
[08:16] <hyper_ch> gotta run again :)
[08:16] <hyper_ch> cya
[08:18] <BFTD> haha
[08:18] <BFTD> 32x AA
[08:18] <BFTD> insane
[08:18] <cellofellow> what's AA?
[08:18] <BFTD> my 66060GT only does 4x AA
[08:19] <cellofellow> ticktockticktock this resizing partitions is taking forever.
[08:19] <_3oo3> cellofellow: why resize?  :)
[08:19] <Ramla> 32x AA is just dumb, i can't see noticable difference between 4x and 16x closeups
[08:21] <cellofellow> cause I'm reinstalling and want to keep my /home partition. I used to have / and /home on different hdd's but my / drive died.
[08:21] <cellofellow> gtg
[08:31] <zntneo> i'm thinking about switching to xubuntu from ubuntu anything i should be worried about?
[08:33] <icicled> all you have to do is `sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop`
[08:33] <icicled> then just log out & log in w/xfce as your session
[08:34] <zntneo> oh so i don't even need to reinstall ubuntu
[08:34] <zntneo> duh stupid me
[08:34] <icicled> sure don't =] 
[08:35] <zntneo> is there anything that i won't be able to use that i can in ubuntu? i mean like automatix network manager and the like
[08:35] <icicled> nope, nothing
[08:35] <icicled> xfce is just another desktop
[08:35] <icicled> if you feel like using gnome, then just log out & select gnome as your session
[08:35] <icicled> everything should work just a-ok
[08:36] <zntneo> well then i need help with ndiswrapper and network manager. I am having problems with both
[08:36] <_3oo3> that's why I think you should have to manually install the desktop environ...would cut your support down to the nitty gritty
[08:36] <icicled> zntneo, what problems do you have?
[08:37] <zntneo> it seems that my wireless card becomes unready randomly
[08:37] <zntneo> and my network manager doesn't seem to be able to config my card
[08:37] <icicled> network-manager does not work too well with wireless cards that don't have native drivers
[08:38] <icicled> it's a pain to get it using anything other than WEP =\
[08:38] <zntneo> its worked before on ndiswrapper. I did some fiddling and now it doesn't work
[08:38] <icicled> you could try uninstalling the ndiswrapper driver that you installed
[08:38] <icicled> and re-install it
[08:38] <zntneo> i think thats what i did that stoped it from working
[08:39] <icicled> ndiswrraper -remove something.inf
[08:39] <icicled> something similar to that
[08:39] <zntneo> i've reinstalled my driver multple times
[08:39] <icicled> are you trying to get this to work on a laptop?
[08:39] <zntneo> to bad bcm43xx doesn't work on bcm4318
[08:39] <zntneo> yes
[08:39] <icicled> ah i see
[08:40] <icicled> maybe you can check the ubuntuforums for similar situations
[08:40] <zntneo> i think i tried and couldn't really find anything
[08:40] <icicled> i made sure to get an intel wireless card for my laptop cause it has native drivers that work really well
[08:41] <zntneo> i bought this card before i decided to go just linux on this laptop
[08:43] <zntneo> and i had this card working great on fedora but i switched because ubuntu seems a ton faster on this comp
[08:43] <zntneo> and ubuntu seems to have probs with my card :(
[08:43] <ardya> hi
[08:44] <ardya> ctrl+alt+ +/- is still broken in xubuntu xorg edgy?
[08:44] <zntneo> brb
[08:47] <zntneo> so i'm in xubuntu now
[08:47] <zntneo> and i was wondering how do i add something from the app menu to the taskbar easily?
[08:47] <somerville32> Add a launcher
[08:47] <somerville32> :)
[08:48] <zntneo> i can't right click and say add to taskbar or panel?
[08:48] <Grey_Loki> zntneo, that's what a launcher does :)
[08:49] <zntneo> yea i know but was just wondering if there was an easier way because it seems i have to find where the program i want is on the drive
[08:49] <Grey_Loki> Most programs can be run just by entering the name of it
[08:49] <Grey_Loki> mousepad, gnome-mud, azureus, and so forth.
[08:50] <somerville32> Feisty has this thing where it lists all the applications and you can select it or something
[08:52] <zntneo> hmm i can't seem to be able to add swiftfox
[08:54] <grazie> zntneo: should be no different to anything else
[08:54] <zntneo> i can't even seem to be able to figure out how to run it from the terminal :(
[08:54] <grazie> swiftfox
[08:55] <zntneo> command not found
[08:55] <grazie> how did you install?
[08:55] <zntneo> swiftfox? i think through automatix
[08:55] <grazie> enter 'which swiftfox'
[08:56] <zntneo> nothing happened
[08:56] <_3oo3> on the topic of gnome/kde/xfce...you guys do realize you can install any windows manager you want, right?  you could install fluxbox, blackbox, twm, ice-wm....anything you want
[08:56] <zntneo> i know i have it installed i'm using it
[08:56] <_3oo3> windowsmaker
[08:56] <_3oo3> afterstep is nice
[08:56] <zntneo> _3oo3: yea i know i was being dense
[08:56] <grazie> zntneo: how did you launch it then?
[08:57] <zntneo> from the applications menu
[08:57] <ardya> ctrl+alt+ +/- is still broken in xubuntu xorg edgy?
[08:57] <grazie> zntneo: open /usr/share/applications/swiftfox.desktop
[08:59] <zntneo> sweet it works now
[08:59] <grazie> zntneo: don't understand what you've been doing...but great
[09:00] <zntneo> was trying to add a launcher and i couldn't find where swiftfox was located in the file system
[09:00] <zntneo> and you telling me that helped me based on the above file you gave
[09:04] <zntneo> damn me i'm being extraordinarily dense today is there a way to make the clock syncronize with a ntp server?
[09:06] <ardya> ntpdate some_server
[09:09] <zntneo> automaticaly?
[09:09] <ardya> ok, so no one uses ctrl+alt+ +/- to change resolutions or configures xorg to use a virtual desktop size larger than their screen?
[09:10] <grazie> zntneo: I think you can auto sync with settings > date & time
[09:11] <zntneo> are you using gnome? i'm using xfce and it doesn't have a settings thing except under applications. Which has no date and time.
[09:12] <grazie> zntneo: no and I'm not using xubuntu right now either so i can't check
[09:12] <zntneo> oh ok
[09:13] <vimalg2> will Xubuntu Feisty also be out on Apr19th?
[09:14] <grazie> maybe
[09:14] <ephemeros> i hope :)
[09:14] <ephemeros> though for edgy i waited for few days, if i'm not wrong
[09:15] <grazie> prolly not though
[09:15] <ephemeros> i am assaulted on port 63774. any one knows what this port does?
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> have a look with lsof
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> presuming you are listening on that port
[09:17] <ephemeros> k
[09:18] <vimalg2> i mean.. there's even rumours that shipit will start offering Xubuntu Feisty from Apr19 on SHIPIT. now thats cool
[09:18] <grazie> zntneo: Applications > System > Time & Date
[09:20] <zntneo> i swear i'm being extreamly dense today
[09:23] <zntneo> ok i'm trying to do something and not it says timestamp is to far in the future
[09:23] <zntneo> how do i fix that?
[09:24] <Grey_Loki> Subtract 100 years :D
[09:25] <grazie> zntneo: have you just done a sync with a network?
[09:25] <zntneo> yes
[09:25] <grazie> you may have to reboot.. but not sure as I don't sync with a network
[09:27] <zntneo> is there something i can reboot to fix it or do i have to restart my whoel comp
[09:29] <zntneo> hmm the update seems to have made it so that its midnight here (central daylight savings time)
[09:30] <grazie> maybe you've got a locale/network mismatch
[09:31] <zntneo> under time and date i have it set to my time zone
[09:42] <zntneo> if i do a ln -s /usr/lib/firefox/plugins /opt/swiftfox/plugins/lib will that make it so the plugins in firefox are read by swiftfox?
[09:42] <maxamillion> zntneo: in theory, yes
[09:42] <maxamillion> zntneo: i don't have any experience with swiftfox so i can't say with certainty
[09:43] <zntneo> well we shall find out
[09:43] <maxamillion> hiya grazie, how goes it?
[09:43] <grazie> good you?
[09:44] <zntneo> sweetness it worked
[09:44] <maxamillion> grazie: at work ... can't complain, about to get coding on my compiler
[09:44] <zntneo> max your working? i'm sorry dude
[09:44] <grazie> maxamillion: lots to do then?
[09:45] <grazie> hey yeah..it's Sunday!
[09:45] <maxamillion> grazie: always lots to do ;)
[09:45] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah ... i work every other sunday, its ok though ... normally pretty quiet around the office and not much to do so i get homework done
[09:46] <zntneo> hmm sounds kinda like a job i used to have.
[09:46] <maxamillion> zntneo: its an on campus student level sys admin job ... i can't complain, they work around my schedule and my boss lets me run linux
[09:47] <zntneo> the job i'm talking about was a lab monitor job. I moved up to probably more like what you are.
[09:48] <maxamillion> hmmm.. new feisty kernel since friday
[09:48] <zntneo> dangn't i don't want to reboot my comp :(
[09:49] <maxamillion> zntneo: then don't ;)
[09:49] <grazie> maxamillion: that fixes the boot problem?
[09:49] <grazie> deja
[09:49] <maxamillion> grazie: i didn't have a boot problem with the last kernel
[09:49] <grazie> oops
[09:49] <maxamillion> lol
[09:49] <zntneo> i can't get my ntpdate to make it the correct time and i don't know why
[09:50] <maxamillion> zntneo: i had that problem for a while too actually .... right after day light savings time, but it randomly fixed itself a week later
[09:52] <zntneo> hmm seems i fixed it
[09:53] <maxamillion> zntneo: congrats!
[09:53] <zntneo> i had to set the time back and then re ntpdate it
[09:53] <zntneo> i have no clue why it set it to midnight
[09:54] <maxamillion> :/
[09:54] <maxamillion> thats a tad strange
[09:54] <zntneo> yea it is
[09:54] <zntneo> i probably did something wrong
[09:57] <zntneo> hmm anyone have expereince with wifi-radar? i want to set it up so it automatically runs at boot
[09:58] <maxamillion> zntneo: define "run" ... because it would automatically established a saved connection when i logged in .... but if you actually want the application to run then you can add it to your auto-started applications
[09:59] <maxamillion> grazie: debian etch just went stable!!! why not put that on your PPC box?
[09:59] <zntneo> oh ok i thought you had to do something to get it to establish a connection on boot
[09:59] <maxamillion> zntneo: if i did do something to make it do that, i don't remember ... :/ its been a while since i setup xubuntu on that laptop, and since i had to turn it back in and was issued a new one from work
[10:00] <grazie> maxamillion: to be honest I don't think I like the debian way much, but I'm still new to it. I do like all the packages though :)
[10:00] <maxamillion> zntneo: and i run gnome on the new one just for variety (and because it has the cpu cycles to spare ... its a core2 duo T7400 or somethin like that ... 4mb L2 Cache, 2gb of ram, etc)
[10:00] <maxamillion> grazie: lol, fair enough
[10:01] <maxamillion> grazie: its all about choice ... i'm just not patient enough to compile everything
[10:01] <zntneo> yea that make sense
[10:01] <maxamillion> grazie: you could always look into yellowdog
[10:02] <zntneo> the laptop i'm on is just 1 ghz with 512mb
[10:02] <maxamillion> zntneo: but at the same time i run xubuntu on my workstation here (amd64 x2 4600+, 2gb ddr2 ram, nvidia7900gtx) just because i like xfce best for a desktop setup ... gnome just automates some things for laptops that i find convenient, but on the desktop xfce is undoubtedly my favorite
[10:02] <maxamillion> here = work
[10:02] <grazie> maxamillion: looked at it before and didn't like it. Now it's using e17 I'm going to give it another go. Free downloads in a couple of weeks I think
[10:02] <maxamillion> grazie: rgr
[10:03] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah ... e17 is slick and apparently ydl is supposed to ship with all airport wifi working out of box without any extra setup
[10:03] <zntneo> i've been thinking of trying e17 sometime soon
[10:04] <grazie> maxamillion: e17 is great if you get the right build...the one I've using recently is too unstable
[10:05] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah, that's another thing that kinda annoys me .... microsoft released an operating system that they stoped and re-wrote half way through before enlightenment was able to release a stable branch
[10:06] <grazie> maxamillion:  the amount of time you mean?
[10:07] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah
[10:07] <maxamillion> grazie: its been what ... 8 years since e16 was released stable
[10:07] <maxamillion> ?*
[10:08] <maxamillion> grazie: i just read wikipedia when i get bored ;)
[10:09] <highvoltage> maxamillion: hey there. howzit going?
[10:09] <maxamillion> highvoltage: hey jonathan! ... it goes well, we are working on adopting the ubuntu.com drupal theme over to xubuntu and fixing our css problems in time for the feisty release (but we might end up a week late on it)
[10:10] <highvoltage> ah ok
[10:10] <highvoltage> afaik all the sub-distributions will have a similar drupal theme
[10:10] <maxamillion> highvoltage: and i think feisty is going to be a very good release for us
[10:10] <maxamillion> highvoltage: how are things on the edubuntu front?
[10:11] <highvoltage> edubuntu is ok, especially on the technical side, but it could be quite a lot better on the educational side. it needs more contributors who knows something about education.
[10:12] <maxamillion> highvoltage: hmmm.... almost wish my mother was computer savvy at times like this ... she's been a teacher for many years and has co-published a few educational books with her old mentor but she still has to call me to install a printer for her on winXP _with_ the installation cd in hand
[10:13] <maxamillion> grazie: jeebus ... i couldn't stand it
[10:13] <highvoltage> maxamillion: heh
[10:13] <maxamillion> grazie: it was even worse because when i tried gentoo it was on a 366mhz p2
[10:13] <maxamillion> nope
[10:14] <maxamillion> highvoltage: cody contacted you about that school that we were working with to deploy ltsp w/ edubuntu running xfce right?
[10:20] <highvoltage> maxamillion: he mentioned that there's a school that might be installed, I don't know what has been happening with that though
[10:21] <maxamillion> highvoltage: yeah ... well the guy who was heading up the proposal who had drafted cody and i as employees aparently didn't get the contract and they went with a windows implementation instead ... it was very unfortunate
[10:22] <maxamillion> highvoltage: oh, but on a positive note: my university is planning to migrate to schooltool within the next year or two
[10:25] <highvoltage> maxamillion: ohno, re the school
[10:25] <grazie> While waiting I'm just comparing the quality of sound output by mplayer and audacious. Surprisingly there quite a difference
[10:25] <highvoltage> maxamillion: is this an official schooltool pilot? schooltool is not /quite/ production ready
[10:26] <maxamillion> highvoltage: not sure to be honest, my professor just mentioned it recently before class because apparently my university is a tad fed up with their current proprietary solution
[10:26] <highvoltage> cool
[10:26] <maxamillion> i thought so
[10:27] <maxamillion> but sadly, they are still running everything on fedora core servers ... not my flavor, but atleast we aren't bound my ms servers
[10:29] <neozen> meeeep
[10:30] <maxamillion> ?
[10:30] <neozen> can anyone recommend a lightweight personal information manager?
[10:30] <neozen> hey there max
[10:30] <maxamillion> neozen: hello
[10:30] <neozen> long time no see
[10:30] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah ... i've been around here and there, but life has been busy
[10:31] <neozen> same here.... and I've taken up residence in #ubuntu
[10:31] <maxamillion> neozen: define personal information manager? ... like a desktop pda software suite?
[10:31] <neozen> yeah
[10:31] <maxamillion> neozen: ah, fair enough
[10:31] <neozen> like that
[10:31] <neozen> more traffic there
[10:31] <maxamillion> neozen: uhmm... lemme check a couple things
[10:31] <neozen> still living in xubuntu fulltime though
[10:31] <maxamillion> yey!
[10:31] <neozen> can't wait for feisty
[10:31] <maxamillion> neozen: you need anything more than a calendar application?
[10:32] <neozen> yeah
[10:32] <maxamillion> hmm... ok
[10:32] <neozen> names, addresses
[10:32] <neozen> phone nums etc
[10:32] <neozen> otherwise I'd just use orage
[10:32] <neozen> O.o... something that can share info with orage would be a plus
[10:32] <neozen> but not essential
[10:33] <maxamillion> neozen: uhmm... you can try treepad lite http://www.treepad.com/ ... there is a linux version
[10:34] <maxamillion> neozen: here's a good link too: http://linux.about.com/od/softpim/Linux_Personal_Information_Managers.htm
[10:36] <neozen> that's just what I was looking for ... a review site
[10:36] <neozen> ..my brain... is just not working today
[10:37] <neozen> I might just start using the xfce4-notes-plugin when i update to feisty
[10:37] <maxamillion> neozen: no worries .... my brain wasn't working all last week
[10:37] <maxamillion> neozen: ahh, didn't know there was such a thing
[10:37] <neozen> maxamillion: yeah.. there is
[10:37] <neozen> maxamillion: its in the repos for edgy and up
[10:37] <neozen> but I'm on dapper
[10:37] <maxamillion> neozen: oh, what would you think of a "places" meny plugin for xfce ... like how gnome has the "places" menu?
[10:37] <maxamillion> menu*
[10:37] <neozen> places?
[10:38] <neozen> ...um... let me look into what it does
[10:38] <neozen> what's the package for gnome called?
[10:38] <maxamillion> neozen: its just kinda a "quick menu" to things like your home dir, the trash can, etc.
[10:38] <neozen> Oh. wait that thing
[10:39] <neozen> ...isn't that already in feisty?
[10:39] <maxamillion> neozen: i dunno ... i think its just part of gnome
[10:39] <maxamillion> neozen: not for xfce i don't think so ... i don't think it exists
[10:39] <neozen> I'm sure I saw a folder with a house on it on the default feisty panel
[10:39] <neozen> perhaps you click that and get a list
[10:39] <maxamillion> neozen: in xubuntu?
[10:39] <neozen> yeah
[10:40] <neozen> I booted a livecd of xubuntu feisty a while ago
[10:40] <maxamillion> i'm running feisty but it was an upgrade install so it kept all my settings ... i will have to look into that
[10:40] <neozen> aaah
[10:40] <maxamillion> because if it was already done then i'm not going to code a plugin for it for xfce
[10:40] <neozen> I just don't like menus on my panels
[10:41] <maxamillion> neozen: fair enough
[10:41] <neozen> I'm from the school of 'right click anywhere to get a menu'
[10:41] <maxamillion> neozen: it would be removable just like anything else
[10:41] <neozen> of course
[10:41] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah, i used to be really big into "right click anywhere to get a menu" in my "fluxbox is the only true WM" phase
[10:42] <maxamillion> now i'm just used to having my xfce menu at the bottom
[10:42] <neozen> in all actuality ... if fluxbox supported everything I enjoy about xfce I'd probably be using it
[10:42] <neozen> I just haven't tried yet
[10:43] <neozen> ...xfce seems to do what I need .. so I never bothered
[10:43] <maxamillion> yeah ... i used fluxbox for a long time and i really like alot of things about it, but everything it falls short with ... xfce doesn't :)
[10:44] <maxamillion> i think my biggest enjoyment of xfce is how modular it is ... its like "oh, you don't like 'this aspect' of xfce4? ... then don't use it"
[10:44] <maxamillion> i mean, you could technically mix xfce4 with fluxbox and ROX if you wanted to
[10:46] <neozen> heh
[10:46] <maxamillion> would be wild ... but it could be done ;)
[10:47] <neozen> funny thing is, I'm checking out the flux-box faq
[10:47] <maxamillion> yeah?
[10:47] <neozen> ...lots of xfce tools seem to be at the top of the recommended list of stuff to use
[10:47] <neozen> Terminal, thunar, etc
[10:47] <neozen> xfmedia needs to die though
[10:47] <maxamillion> yes, i agree with that
[10:48] <neozen> I don't know why but I hate it soooo much
[10:48] <neozen> we should just use mplayer or something
[10:48] <maxamillion> or be re-written
[10:48] <maxamillion> but yeah ... majority of screenshots i see taken of fluxbox desktops are taken with Thunar running
[10:48] <neozen> sessions can be a real pain though
[10:49] <maxamillion> really?
[10:49] <neozen> I just shut them off long ago and haven't looked back
[10:49] <maxamillion> lol
[10:49] <maxamillion> fair enough
[10:49] <neozen> (when you use nm-applet it just keeps spawning new ones with each login
[10:50] <neozen> nm-applet is the thing that gives you a tray icon for network-manager-gnome
[10:50] <maxamillion> neozen: huh ... that's interesting ... i didn't have that problem with edgy on my old laptop
[10:50] <maxamillion> yeah, i'
[10:50] <maxamillion> i've used nm-applet
[10:50] <neozen> ...what I'd really like to make.... is a nm-applet type thing for xfce
[10:50] <maxamillion> neozen: its being done :)
[10:50] <neozen> ie.. one that doesn't include a bunch of crap I don't need
[10:50] <neozen> libs etc
[10:51] <neozen> I'd be interested in helping with that
[10:51] <neozen> considering how much I recommend the use of network-manager-gnome on xfce
[10:51] <neozen> lopl
[10:52] <neozen> *lol
[10:52] <maxamillion> neozen: lemme find you a link ... there are actually 2 of them being worked on by different people, one by a xfce-dev and the other just by an open source devel
[10:52] <neozen> and the battery applet automatically increasing the size of the panel
[10:52] <neozen> ...baaad applet!
[10:52] <neozen> (so I use gnome-power-manager too)
[10:53] <maxamillion> lol
[10:53] <neozen> just strikes me as wrong
[10:53] <maxamillion> i think that is fixed in the xfce4.4-stable release
[10:54] <neozen> good
[10:54] <neozen> I still live in the dapper world
[10:54] <neozen> lots of the problems I experience have probably been fixed
[10:54] <neozen> ::chuckles::
[10:54] <maxamillion> :P
[10:55] <maxamillion> bah! i can't find the link ... gimme a minute
[10:55] <neozen> heh... no rush
[10:55] <neozen> its my day off
[11:07] <maxamillion> neozen: finally found them
[11:07] <maxamillion> neozen: here is the one being worked on by the xfce dev: http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/airconfig
[11:07] <neozen> thank you
[11:08] <apocalyptica> hello
[11:08] <maxamillion> neozen: and here is the other: http://compwiz18.blackhole.cx/wicd/wb/
[11:08] <maxamillion> apocalyptica: hello
[11:08] <apocalyptica> i have a laptop with ubuntu on it, the latest release of 6.10, (just installed yesterday), and for some reason the device manager wont open
[11:08] <apocalyptica> can you help me out?
[11:09] <maxamillion> apocalyptica: device manager?
[11:09] <apocalyptica> yes
[11:09] <maxamillion> apocalyptica: where do you see a device manager?
[11:10] <neozen> nice
[11:10] <neozen> ....the second one looks very nice indeed
[11:11] <apocalyptica> i dont know what to do
[11:11] <neozen> and it doesn't even require network-manager
[11:12] <maxamillion> apocalyptica: where in the menus do you see a device manager?
[11:12] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah, i actually like the one being done by the xfce devel the best ... looks like it would be really easy to use
[11:12] <apocalyptica> system --> administration --> device manager
[11:13] <maxamillion> apocalyptica: you aren't running xubuntu
[11:13] <maxamillion> apocalyptica: that doesn't exist in xubuntu ... you are looking for #ubuntu
[11:13] <neozen> oh... you mean air
[11:14] <neozen> ..but that's just alpha
[11:14] <neozen> the other one says its stable
[11:14] <apocalyptica> ty
[11:14] <apocalyptica> bye
[11:15] <maxamillion> neozen: fair enough
[11:16] <maxamillion> neozen: well either way, i think one of those two will be default in feisty+1 and i think we are trying to get both in the universe repositories either way
[11:17] <neozen> if I can avoid installing something to make something which should be simple work..... I'll avoid it
[11:17] <neozen> .......gah
[11:17] <neozen> that came out wrong
[11:18] <neozen> I like minimal @#$#@4 ...!
[11:18] <neozen> there... that about did it
[11:18] <neozen> lol
[11:18] <slow-motion> n8
[11:34] <Merchelo> hmm, i did an apt-get update, and upgrade, and now my graphics have gone all slow in one game which i only play :( is there anyway to revert this problem?
[11:36] <neozen> wish me luck... I'ma give wicd a shot
[11:40] <maxamillion> good luck
[11:40] <Merchelo> !kernel
[11:40] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[11:41] <grazie> Merchelo: certainly possible, but probably more hassle than you would want unless there were only a few updates :(
[11:42] <TheSheep> Merchelo: Nvidia dropped support for many of their cards recently
[11:42] <maxamillion> Merchelo: you might want to try the nvidia-legacy driver
[11:43] <TheSheep> maxamillion: that's the slow one :)
[11:43] <Merchelo> is there a way to find out what gfx card it is without opening?
[11:43] <TheSheep> Merchelo: lspci | grep VGA
[11:44] <maxamillion> oh
[11:44] <Merchelo> hmm, ATI Radeon 9200
[11:46] <TheSheep> maxamillion: do you know how to compile the drivers from nvidia page with the debian-style kernel in ubuntu? :/
[11:47] <grazie> Merchelo: Incidently, I've got a Radeon 9000 on my mac and I noticed today the performance was much worse on feisty than edgy (using open source driver)
[11:47] <Merchelo> uh oh, i was looking it up, and something about a fglrx driver for ubuntu
[11:48] <maxamillion> TheSheep: not really ... i did it once, but i read a tutorial
[11:48] <maxamillion> i actually gotta run .. boss needs me to do something
[11:48] <maxamillion> bbl
[11:57] <maxamillion> annnnd back
[12:02] <neozen> well.. I tried wicd
[12:03] <neozen> ..stable though it may be ...
[12:03] <maxamillion> no go?
[12:03] <neozen> still requires stuff from gnome to provide a system tray icon
[12:03] <maxamillion> :(
[12:03] <neozen> ....and id didn't seem to want to connect to my wpa network
[12:03] <neozen> ...thank god for aptitude
[12:03] <neozen> lol
[12:03] <maxamillion> :-D
[12:03] <maxamillion> yeah ... wpa is kinda tricky
[12:04] <neozen> well that's why I like it
[12:04] <neozen> its a hell of a lot more secure
[12:04] <neozen> and stops the wardrivers for the most part
[12:05] <maxamillion> yeah ... i run wpa2 at home
[12:06] <neozen> this is just decrepit wpa
[12:07] <neozen> (my stepdad has a palm that doesn't speak wpa2 that he wants to use on the network)
[12:07] <neozen> still works like a charm
[12:07] <neozen> not one single unauthorized connection yet
[12:08] <neozen> well... an unauthorized connection being one that isn't family
[12:08] <neozen> lol
[12:08] <maxamillion> :P
[12:08] <neozen> I suppose if someone cracks your network they are authorized
[12:08] <neozen> lol
[12:09] <neozen> whats the news on the legality of that
[12:09] <neozen> still unauthorized theft of service?
[12:09] <neozen> like if you hooked up to your neighbors cable?
[12:10] <maxamillion> well if they have encryption enabled and you crack it, that is illegal but if they leave it open and you use it ... that's just their fault
[12:11] <neozen> that's always the way I felt
[12:11] <neozen> its as though you rebroadcasted cable programming for 20 yards or so around your house
[12:12] <neozen> .....you couldn't scream if someone watched hbo
[12:12] <neozen> lol
[12:12] <maxamillion> :P
[12:22] <TheSheep> hah! back to accelerated desktop :D