[12:24] hooray: use linux-bios === hhlp [n=hhlp@182.Red-83-32-9.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:25] scarry but ill try it [12:26] Don't just try it without finding a supported board first === hhlp [n=hhlp@182.Red-83-32-9.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === Shaba1 [n=sandaygo@ip68-101-167-142.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu === odat [n=gateway@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:36] Hello all [12:36] hi everyone [12:36] i'm having a strange problem with openoffice-gtk on a fresh install [12:37] there aren't any icons appearing in the toolbar [12:37] there are words in place of the icons === MissT [n=me@static24-72-71-124.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #xubuntu === aimaz [n=swp1@i-83-67-17-205.freedom2surf.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:40] hi, using edgy on my laptop the network-admin tool doesn't let me create locations [12:40] any ideas how I can enable it? [12:41] Have you tried running gksudo network-admin? [12:41] yeah i'm running it as root [12:47] guys how do I get ram usage on an xubuntu machine [12:47] and take into account that you are talking to a windwos person [12:47] windows expert but still windows [12:50] How do you see how much ram is being used? [12:51] You could try ps aux, or top [12:51] Not sure if they give the total RAM usage. [12:51] Shaba1: you can use the 'free' command in a terminal or use the "System Load Monitor" applet [12:51] Else, apt-get install gdesklets, for some eye candy [12:51] can i use a feisty package on edgy? (specifically gdb-6.6) Is there some magic incantation? [12:51] backport it [12:52] well, that would be one solution [12:52] i could just build it from source, too :) [12:53] how do i run kino as root user? [12:53] MissT, if it's a commandline app, sudo, otherwise, use gksudo [12:53] 'sudo kino' or 'gksudo kino' [12:53] rici: Likely to be less messy to just backport it [12:54] which means what exactly? [12:54] Grey_Loki, thanks, i'll try that [12:54] i mean, what might i need to change? [12:54] :) === honkytonkwillie [n=honkyton@153-211-237-24.gci.net] has left #xubuntu [] [12:54] rici: depends if you are lucky then pretty much nothing [12:55] but you could get in a loop of having to backport newer versions of all sorts of stuff [12:56] apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename (thats it in its simplest form - presumes you have deb-src lines already in sources.list) === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:56] anyway is the feisty release candidate released yet ? [12:57] gdb doesn't have many dependencies [12:57] MissT: is kino a kde app? if it is you should use 'kdesu kino' or 'kdesudo kino'. I know not using the right su for some kde apps can cause breakages [12:58] rici: It quite often doesn't work quite that simple but if you compare the existing version with the newer version (the stuff in debian/) its usually quite easy [12:58] rici: I have never compiled it manually - didn't know whether it was tied in to a particular gcc version [12:59] nope [12:59] simple then [01:01] hmm... there's a problem report in the debian page === Shaba2 [n=sniperlt@ip68-101-167-142.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:01] hello all [01:01] oh, well. maybe i don't really need it. there must be a workaround [01:02] i don't want this to turn into a marathon. [01:02] this is my laptop running x unbuntu === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-165-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:02] maybe i'll just download the 6.4 source and add the patch that didn't quite make it into that version [01:02] Shaba1 is my desktop running windows [01:02] now how do I get Ram usage on here? [01:03] hello anyone here? [01:03] top [01:03] in ubuntu [01:03] in windows, i have no idea === gateway_ [n=gateway@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:04] no I meant in xubuntu [01:04] anyone know why openoffice-gtk doesn't work on a fresh install of ubuntu [01:05] Shaba1, type 'free' or 'ps aux' or 'top' in a console# [01:05] Or, if you want a GUI output, either load up thesystem monitor panel widget, or apt-get install gdesklets [01:05] is there a desktop app to do that [01:05] like a ram gauge or something [01:05] Grey_Loki> Or, if you want a GUI output, either load up thesystem monitor panel widget, or apt-get install gdesklets [01:06] systems monitor panel [01:06] hold on let me try to find that [01:06] Right click the panel, and add it [01:07] trying to find it [01:07] you knw what menu choice it is under? [01:08] Yeah [01:08] The one you get when you right click the panel. [01:08] 'Add new item' [01:08] Grey_Loki I do not mean to sound dumb [01:08] but what 'panel' [01:08] There should be two - one at the top, one at the bottom of your screen [01:09] You'd know it as a taskbar. [01:09] Ok now that makes sense [01:09] :) [01:09] hold on [01:10] ;) [01:10] Oh I like that [01:10] although I do not like how much ram I am using [01:10] If you think that's neat, check out gdesklets. [01:11] Just do a google search for some screenshots [01:11] hold on [01:11] Be warned though, gdesklets is a bit of a system hog. [01:12] http://www.lynucs.org/?gdesklets [01:12] just lookst like backgrounds to me [01:14] Shaba1, http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=2&screen_id=36456260445d962dca229b&m=screen [01:14] in the top right corner, the system graphs. That's a set of gdesklets widgets. [01:17] ah I see [01:18] !gibbon [01:18] Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule [01:18] Woah, already? [01:18] Feisty only came out a few days ago [01:18] happened today, and fiesty is scheduled for the 19th afaik [01:19] I thought it was out already :S [01:19] Ubuntu studio is due for release on the 19th, ithink [01:19] Ubuntu studio ? === hooray [n=aa@adsl-83-195-120.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #xubuntu [] [01:20] An A/V production distro [01:21] Kinda like Planet CCRMA [01:21] Grey_Loki you would not know of a small footprint spreadsheet and/or database for xubuntu like Abiword is for wordprocessing [01:21] I installed open office [01:21] Shaba1, i'm afraid not - I only use OOo [01:21] but that is taking up to much space on my 10 gig partiton [01:21] Take a look in synaptic for something === hhlp [n=hhlp@182.Red-83-32-9.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:21] and with the 192mb of ram I got it slows everything down [01:22] Because IIRC, it's java based, or something [01:22] Can't remember exactly [01:22] right now with NOTHING running except xchat I am using 142 of 186MB [01:23] I thought xubuntu was suppose to be small footprint [01:23] How much is xchat using? [01:24] it is (with a command line install) otherwise there are hundreds of daemons you don't want [01:24] I have no idea [01:24] how can I find out [01:24] ?? === Gazza [n=Gary@user-514dee9a.l4.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [01:26] Shaba1, run ps aux | grep xchat [01:26] Third number in is RAM usage [01:27] I get this [01:28] 4489 0.1 7.8 92168 14976 ? sl 15:46 0:02 xchat [01:28] 7.8MB RAM. [01:28] and on a second line [01:29] Second one is how much the command 'grep xchat' is taking [01:29] 4721 o.o 0.3 2796 748 pts/l R+ 16:27 );00 grep xchat [01:30] Grey_Loki: that's actually 7.8% i think [01:30] rici, so it is - well spotted, heh [01:30] the fifth number is the amount of memory actually in use, in K [01:30] the fourth number is the amount it might use if it were absolutely alone on the system [01:31] it's not easy to interpret memory usage on unix [01:31] 14MB of RAM? [01:31] I wonder if there's a way to switch ps from displaying usage in KB to MB. [01:32] so its taking 15MB [01:32] what i'd like to know is why xfce-menu-plug is using 112 MB resident [01:32] the what is that 149mb that the sysmemes monitor is saying is in use? [01:32] that seems excessive somehow === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving] [01:34] that is what it says [01:34] 149 of 186 mb in use [01:34] Shaba1: no, i was talking about my system [01:34] that's normal [01:34] Shaba1, that would be the total usage of everything [01:34] linux basically uses all the memory all the time [01:34] and why not? [01:34] it's there [01:34] ah ok [01:34] everything that isn't used by programs is used as a file cache [01:35] the widget shows you the part that isn't holding file buffers [01:35] and it lessens its own memmory usage as other apps are loaded? [01:35] which doesn't really mean anything, but it might give you some sense of security watching it go up and down [01:35] yeah, the file buffers are optional [01:35] but they speed things up a lot if you use the same file a lot and the system guesses right about which content to keep [01:36] ah ok [01:36] I am learning something new then [01:37] also, ps aux doesn't show you another important number: the amount of that memory which is shared with other apps [01:37] if you look at top, you'll see three columns related to memory: [01:38] virtual, resident, and shared [01:38] they're abbreviated, but you should be able to figure it out === neozen [n=neozen@c-67-186-66-137.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:38] virtual is pretty well meaningless [01:38] resident is what the app is actually using, on average over the last short bit of time [01:39] shared is the amount of that which is also being used by other apps, such as shared objects (dlls) and other resources which can be shared [01:39] so when you add up all the resident figures, they'll come out to a lot more than the amount of memory in use, because the shared memory is really shared. [01:39] hope that helps a bit [01:39] like i say, interpreting memory usage numbers is a bit of a black art [01:39] question all ... where can I see which packages are included in the standard install of xubuntu feisty and a list of packages available in the feisty repositories? [01:42] neozen: >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/ [01:42] so i'm still wondering, why is xfce-menu-plug using 112M of ram? [01:42] grazie: thankee [01:42] and what can i do about it short of restarting X, which would be a bit inconvenient atm [01:45] rici: lol [01:45] rici: I stopped paying attention to how much ram things use in a gui environment [01:45] rici: one of the joys of having 1gb of ram [01:45] well, yeah, but i actually notice this as an issue [01:45] the menu is really sluggish opening [01:46] rici: Ic [01:46] i think it's a memory leak in xfce-menu-plug [01:46] rici: that... would suck [01:47] rici: I don't even have the xfce-menu on my panel [01:47] rici: I just right click on my desktop and get the menu [01:47] (xubuntu dapper) [01:47] same program [01:48] rici: ....not for me [01:48] rici: doesn't even appear to be running [01:49] ah, you're right. [01:49] i ditched it, put it back, and the memory usage went down to almost nothing [01:49] well, that solved that one [01:49] thanks [01:49] i still think it's a memory leak. === hooray [n=aa@adsl-83-195-120.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:51] grazie: that link you gave me doesn't seem to say WHICH repository a certain package is included in [01:51] grazie: I'm looking for xfce4-notes-plugin [01:52] grazie: it doesn't seem to be in the dapper repository... and I'm wondering if its in the edgy or feisty repos [01:54] Ok guys here is something I really need help on [01:54] xubuntu on my laptop just went to the screen saver [01:54] whenever it does that the screen saver lockes the whole machine [01:54] neozen: xfce*4*-notes-plugin [01:54] and the only way I can get back is to power off and power back one [01:55] that does not happen with windows [01:55] rici: yeah [01:55] http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/xfce4-notes-plugin [01:55] rici: sans asterisks [01:55] oh wait... there it is... in the url [01:56] ....this is one seriously off day [01:56] lol [01:56] my northbridge is not supported, only south...maybe one day, sweet linuxbios...hespawn are you running it? [01:56] there's a search tool in the link grazie posted [01:57] yeah.. I see it now [01:57] ......arg [01:58] fear a man with too little sleep [01:58] he will cause you endless headaches [01:59] Ok I just shut it down === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.219.80.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:01] oh well.. guess I'll just install feisty in 4 days.... === neozen dances [02:01] can't wait [02:02] Shaba1: you might need to load linux without apci, or otherwise fiddle around with things [02:02] apci is very flakey on older laptops === hooray [n=aa@adsl-83-195-120.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #xubuntu [] [02:05] its brand new [02:05] well 10 months ago [02:06] but I will google for apci and linux [02:08] huh. here's the bug report from gcc-l, september 2000: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/gdb/2000-09/msg00116.html [02:08] the patch seems to have been committed in mid-2006 [02:08] but not in time to get into 6.4.90 [02:08] s/gcc/gdb/ [02:08] i'm tired, too. [02:08] that seems like a long time between report and fix. [02:09] maybe people don't use gdb user-defined commands very offten [02:09] rici: I have enough fun with the ones they define [02:10] i want to call a function when a breakpoint goes off [02:10] i do that a lot, so i thought it would be handy to define a command to set a breakpoint with that command [02:10] probably like the guy who reported the issue in 2000 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #xubuntu [02:12] how would one get the text on startup/shutdown to show up with an install of xubuntu edgy as it did with xubuntu dapper? [02:12] I always dug the dapper graphical startup [02:13] new one's too boring ::grins:: === snarfer [n=snarfer@unaffiliated/snarfer] has joined #xubuntu [02:20] Why can't my gcc create executables? [02:20] who's good w/ xchat? [02:20] I'm OK with it [02:21] clicking on links doesn't open them in a browser [02:21] Try right clicking on them [02:21] browser is firefox 2.0.0.3 [02:21] snarfer: right clicking then selecting "open in browser" doesn't work either === vipwoody [n=ubuntu@194.146.155.6] has joined #xubuntu [02:21] o.o [02:21] Hello People! Need Help [02:21] and yes.... xfce knows which browser to use [02:22] need help please [02:22] you've tried 911? [02:22] yeah, they couldn't help :( [02:23] did you tell them what your problem was? [02:23] neozen, That's strange. Possibly in preferences -> URL handlers [02:23] yeah, I told them... they told me to contact you :) [02:23] is xchat aware of xfce preferences? [02:23] it works in gaim [02:23] Inside of xchat [02:24] Settings -> advanced -> URL handler [02:24] damn I need to log this [02:24] snarfer: awesome [02:24] !firefox [02:24] firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins [02:24] o.o [02:24] snarfer: just the information I was looking for [02:25] That was accidental [02:25] :/ [02:25] Though, I am wondering why my gcc can't output executables? [02:25] it's not configured right [02:25] or maybe it isn't even there [02:26] didn't we do this yesterday? [02:26] I am a new Linux User, Im fed up with Windows Vista thats why I'm trying to make a change and move to Linux. I saw Ubuntu, and Fiesty Fawn as a new release. I downloaded it, and I am trying it right now. It is really amazing, I like it a lot. But since I am new to Linux, I need some help concerning the "nVidia driver" download + install. I have a GeForce 4 VGA, and I need its driver for the effects to work. Any help is appreciated. Thanks [02:27] PS: I am on Live CD right now [02:27] Are you looking for Ubuntu or Xubuntu help? [02:27] snarfer: how might I edit the default behavior for left clicking on a link? [02:27] neozen, I am not sure [02:27] Sorry. [02:27] snarfer, ubuntu [02:28] #ubuntu for you then ;) === DJAnubis [n=foxx@c-76-20-248-129.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:28] hey [02:28] ah :P [02:28] so you can't help me? [02:28] Yeah, just for future reference [02:28] how does I turnded offz teh screensaver,lol? [02:28] This is the Xubuntu support channel [02:28] Well my screen freezes so badly on the sceren save [02:29] I have to power down and start up again [02:29] yeah, I really don't want to have it there :P [02:29] but...is there a way to not have it? [02:29] I have no idea DJAnubis [02:29] snarfer, okay thanks [02:29] I am a linux newbie myself [02:30] I just installed a new mobo and a new CPU, so I'm a bit confused :P [02:30] vipwoody, one sec [02:30] I have windows, but it shuts down everytime I start up [02:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards [02:30] so, I went over to my xubuntu setup :P [02:30] works fine with cubuntu :D [02:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsNvidia [02:30] vipwoody: Read this carefully: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy [02:30] There you go vipwoody [02:32] Shaba1: you can turn the screensaver off if you can't fix it any other way [02:33] are you using edgy? for some reason the screensaver control panel isn't in the menu list [02:33] applications | settings | settings manager === Shaba2 [n=sniperlt@ip68-101-167-142.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:33] gives you the complete set of control panels === Laibsch [n=Laibsch@p3160-ipbf1007marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #xubuntu [02:35] !wiki InstallCompilers [02:36] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingCompilers?highlight=%28compile%29 [02:36] That's what I was looking for [02:39] to install a compiler... just install build-essential [02:39] ...that'll install the most uptodate versions of just about everything you might need to build something from source [02:39] well, not everything [02:39] provided its c or c++ [02:39] but it's enough to get you started [02:39] lol [02:40] it only gives you essential headers [02:40] for java..... just install the jdk off sun's site.. and make links in /usr/bin === Qew_ [n=qew@82-69-126-225.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [02:40] ...now I just need to figure out how to lie to aptitude so it doesn't keep trying to install the gcj-based java every time I try to install ant === neozen grins [02:41] ok guys [02:41] wherever I start xubuntu [02:42] don't forget girls! [02:42] lol [02:42] gedit,a terminal window and xchat open up [02:42] ok [02:42] helo neozen [02:42] :) [02:42] how do I stop that [02:42] I mean it would be nice if that is what I wanted [02:42] but its not right now [02:42] Shaba1: you've got a saved session somewhere [02:42] ...and it keeps loading that saved session [02:43] ok how do I unsave it [02:43] hrm [02:43] yo all [02:44] Shaba1: gah.. I forget [02:44] Shaba1: involves whacking out created files in a hidden directory within your home [02:44] and most of all how do I stop the screen saver from freezing the laptop [02:44] Shaba1: lol..... === snarfer [n=snarfer@unaffiliated/snarfer] has left #xubuntu ["nevermind...."] [02:44] that is what is most irritation [02:44] Shaba1: the freezing might be due to a graphics card problem === cellofellow [n=josh@69.71.169.15] has joined #xubuntu === Arkh [n=Arkh@62.152.122.140] has joined #xubuntu [02:45] Shaba1: have you installed the proper driver for your video card? [02:45] it means I constanly have to watch the laptop or the screen save will start and then freeze [02:45] its a graphic chip [02:45] I think its a via unichrome pro or something liek that [02:45] I had to find it on the net to get the most recent ones for the windows side [02:46] Shaba1: yeah... go into the screensaver settings [02:46] Shaba1: you'll find them in the settings-manager [02:47] Shaba1: and just shut off the screensaver [02:47] Shaba1: linux seems to work best with intel nvidia and ati cards [02:47] Shaba1: since the majority of computers use those chipsets [02:48] via works ok too [02:48] via? [02:48] don't know of them [02:49] VIA [02:49] Ok neozen I just tried that [02:49] and the whole laptop locked [02:49] Shaba1: oh joy [02:49] they make like all the chips you can think of. Graphics, CPU, sound, etc. [02:49] the only reason I am talking to you is that I am here on winodws on my desktop [02:49] motherboards [02:49] big on motherboards [02:50] you notice the shaba2 left [02:50] you tried what? [02:50] that was me on the laptop on xubutu [02:50] is that you too? [02:50] installing a different driver, or turning off the screensaver? [02:50] Shaba1: great........ makes sense since part of the screensaver window attempts to display a shrunk down version of the screensaver in its window..... you might need to do research to find out where xscreensaver stores whether it should run [02:50] I tried going to the settings-manager and turning off the screen save [02:50] and the laptop locked [02:51] so I powered it down [02:51] ln [02:51] Shaba1: yeah.... like I said... that makes sense [02:51] yuk [02:51] Shaba1: if the screensaver ticks off your screensaver ... so will the settings window [02:51] xscreensaver has a daemon started at login by xfce. [02:51] Shaba1: research how to turn off the screensaver from the terminal only === snarfer [n=snarfer@unaffiliated/snarfer] has joined #xubuntu [02:51] !mysql [02:51] LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+) [02:51] Shaba1: it'll come down to editing the right file in the right place [02:52] killall xscreensaver should do it. [02:52] temporarily [02:52] Shaba1: man xflock and man xscreensaver should tell you what's up [02:52] oK trying it again [02:55] !screenshot [02:55] Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP. [02:55] *sigh* [02:56] try the screenshooter applet [02:56] or scrot [02:57] apt-get install scrot? [02:57] yup [02:57] thanks [02:57] yeah [02:58] it's a command line util [02:58] where'd the screenie go D: [02:58] /home/yourname/scrot_something-to-do-with-date [03:00] cool tip: command line screenies can be made with fbgrab [03:01] cellofellow: I just use the screenshot panel applet from xfce [03:01] looks like a camera [03:01] not all command lines, just the framebuffer-powered console, tty's. [03:02] aaahhh [03:02] I mentioned that. the screenshooter applet. [03:02] lol... === toupar [n=toupar@222.20.226.220] has joined #xubuntu [03:07] so the PrtSc button actually works in linux [03:07] lol [03:08] I never actually got it working. [03:10] !php [03:10] LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+) [03:10] !lex [03:10] Sorry, I don't know anything about lex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:10] what about tex? [03:11] or is that not what you were looking for? [03:11] No [03:12] It's a PHP5 dep [03:14] ..wtf is #ducksex? [03:14]