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sbalneavEvening all02:45
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jodasHow do you log in as Root?03:09
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jodasHello?03:10
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jodasIs there anyone in here that can help me?03:31
jodasHello03:33
Burgundaviahey03:33
jodasHelloHelloHello03:33
jodasHello03:33
jodasHello03:33
Burgundaviawhat is your issue?03:33
jodasHelloHello03:33
jodasHelloHello03:33
jodasHello03:33
jodasHello03:33
jodasHello03:33
jodasHello03:33
jodasv03:33
jodasvHello03:33
jodasHelloHello03:33
jodasvHelloHelloHello03:33
jodasFinally.03:33
Burgundaviajodas, please don't spam03:33
jodasOk here is my issue.03:33
jodasI'm trying to delete things in the root desktop folder.03:34
Burgundaviawhy?03:34
jodasAnd I use Sudo, but it still will not allow for me to delete.03:34
jodasBecause it is 38. MB of the same file that I thought was going to be downloaded to the desktop.03:35
jodasI do not need it anymore.03:35
Burgundaviahow did it end up on roots desktop?03:35
jodasI do not know.03:35
jodasIt said that it was downloading to desktop and most downloads do.03:35
jodasBut for some reason that one downloaded to root.03:35
Burgundaviawere you running a browser as root?03:36
jodasI have not a clue.03:36
Burgundaviasounds like your were03:36
Burgundaviayou were, rather03:36
jodasroot@edubuntu:/home/.....03:36
jodasI see that now.03:36
Burgundaviaanyway, to delete it, simply run `sudo rm FILENAME`03:37
jodasBut it will not allow for me to delete these files.03:37
Burgundaviawhile in the /root directory03:37
Burgundaviahave you activated teh root account?03:37
jodasOk how do I do that Sudo bash?03:37
jodasAnd in the root directory what does that mean?03:37
Burgundaviaok, how did you get a root terminal?03:38
jodasSays that I cannot remove the file because it does not exist when I'm looking right at it.03:39
Burgundaviadid you activate the root account or did you do sudo -s?03:39
jodasHold on.03:39
jodasI used sudo bash.03:39
Burgundaviaumm, that is fairly unsafe03:39
jodasJust used that command.03:39
jodasIn the root directory what does that mean?03:40
Burgundaviaeither / or root's home, which is /root03:40
Burgundaviabut seriously, I would recommend doing sudo command, that way it is harder to forget you are using a root shell, becuase you are not03:40
jodasI have not a clue what you are talking about.03:41
jodasI'm sort of new as you have probably figured out.03:41
Burgundaviaright03:41
Burgundaviaand you are doing something extremely dangerous03:41
jodasOk.03:41
jodasThe files are printer driver downloads.03:41
BurgundaviaI admin Ubuntu stuff for a job and I don't do crazy stuff like that03:41
jodasThey are in the desktop.03:42
jodasYour point?03:42
Burgundaviaregardless, what is the full path to teh files?03:42
jodasI know what you are trying to say, but I just need to delete these files?03:42
Burgundaviaand there is an easier way to install those printer drivers03:42
jodas/root/desktop03:42
jodasI beleive.03:43
Burgundaviawhat is the filename?03:43
Burgundaviaand what command did you run to download them?03:43
jodashplip-1.7.3.tar.gz03:43
Burgundaviaoh geez03:43
jodasIt just downloaded there.03:44
Burgundaviafrom what? a web browser?03:44
jodasThat was the file.03:44
jodasMozilla.03:44
Burgundaviaugh03:44
jodasI had to download it to get my printer to work.03:44
Burgundaviarunning a web browser as root SHOULD NEVER BE DONE03:44
jodasOk.03:44
jodasAnyways what do I do.03:44
Burgundaviaopen a terminal03:45
jodas12.9 MBx3 because I did not think that it downloaded.03:45
jodasOk.03:45
Burgundaviaunder applications > accessories > terminal03:45
jodasAlready ahead of you.03:45
Burgundaviaok03:45
Burgundaviatype the following:03:45
jodasOk.03:45
Burgundaviasudo rm /root/Desktop/hp03:46
Burgundaviaand then hit the tab key03:46
Burgundaviayou should have the full file name03:46
jodasSays that it cannot remove it.03:46
Burgundaviacan you pastebin the full command and the error message?03:47
Burgundavia!pastebin03:47
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:47
jodasOk.03:47
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jodasIt did not give me the whole file name.03:47
jodasSo I had to put it in myself.03:47
jodasIt worked.03:48
Burgundaviaok03:48
Burgundavianow, lets solve your first issue, the printer03:48
Burgundaviawhat version of Ubuntu are you runningh?03:48
jodasEdubuntu.03:48
jodas6.1003:48
Burgundaviaok03:48
Burgundaviawhat kind of printer do you have?03:49
jodasHP deskjet F34003:49
jodasPrinter, scanner, and copier.03:49
Burgundaviaright03:50
Burgundaviaok, the version of hplip already installed on your system shoudl support the printer03:50
Burgundaviago to system > administration > printing03:51
jodasIt was never installed.03:51
jodasIt downloaded to root.03:51
jodasAnd I could not delete it.03:51
Burgundaviano, there is a version of hplip already installed03:51
jodasHow do I sign out of root?03:51
jodasHold.03:52
Burgundaviathe root bash window? type logout03:52
jodasThere are two.03:52
Burgundaviathere are two windows, one shoudl be logged in as you03:52
jodasHold on.03:52
jodasOk.03:52
jodasWhat do you want to know about the printer.03:53
jodasThose files were zipped.03:53
Burgundaviayou don't need the download03:53
Burgundaviahplip is already installed03:53
Burgundaviaall you need to do is to install the printer03:54
Burgundaviaie: via system > admin > printing03:54
jodasIt will not scan.03:54
Burgundaviawhich driver are you using?03:55
jodasDeskjet_F300.03:55
Burgundavianah, on the printing control panel, what driver does it say you are using?03:57
jodashpijs03:57
Burgundaviais there an option for hplip?03:57
jodasNo that is what I was trying to tell you.03:58
BurgundaviaI don't even see a model called f30004:00
Burgundaviaok, there is it04:01
jodasYeah.04:01
jodasThere is not an install for the other driver.04:02
Burgundaviacan you check to make certain hplip is installed?04:02
jodasThat is what I just did.04:02
jodasIt said that there was not another option.04:02
Burgundaviahmm04:03
Burgundaviahave you tried using xsane?04:04
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jodasWeird it found it???04:06
jodasI did not see it before.04:06
Burgundaviaright04:06
jodasHold on.04:06
jodasIt was not working before though.04:07
jodasCould that have been because I was in root?04:07
Burgundaviapossibly04:09
Burgundaviarun as little as possible as root04:09
jodasOk.04:09
jodasThanks for responding.04:09
jodasIt helped me out.04:09
Burgundaviano worries04:09
jodasWhat are those commands again for the future?04:10
Burgundaviato run something with sudo, simply prepend it before teh command04:10
jodasIs there like a tutorial on how to use all the commands in ubuntu somewhere?04:10
Burgundaviaa lot of stuff can be done graphically04:11
Burgundavialook under system > help04:11
jodasI know.04:11
jodasOk.04:11
jodasThank you.04:11
jodasJa ne.04:11
jodas:)04:11
ajmitchadmittedly, it is incredibly easy to break things if you just run everything as root :)04:12
Burgundaviapretty much04:14
Meshezabeelif someone can figure out my sound problem I will pay $15 (preferably with paypal)04:14
Burgundaviawhat is your sound issue?04:14
MeshezabeelI can hear sound from my mic and line in through my speakers, but cannot record it04:15
Burgundaviathen your recording program is pulling off the wrong device04:15
MeshezabeelI have tried audacity and sox, sound recorder doesn't seem to work either04:16
Burgundaviabest way to fix it is to experiment with the sound control panel04:16
MeshezabeelI have used alsamixer and made sure the mic and line in were not muted (and obviously I can hear it through my speakers)04:17
Meshezabeelalsa mixer also seems to repeat some of my ports, i.e it has line-in and line-in 1, it has mic, and mic1, etc.04:18
crimsunMeshezabeel: pastebin your ``amixer'' output, then tell us the url.04:19
Meshezabeelhttp://pastebin.ca/44221204:23
crimsunyour secondary mic looks to be toggled for capture, not primary04:24
crimsunneither mic has mic boost toggled on04:25
Meshezabeelyeah, that secondary mic is not my mic, it is the first mic that is my mic04:27
Meshezabeelmainly I am trying to record from line-in than mic anyhow04:27
crimsunamixer set 'Line' cap04:28
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crimsunyes, I do.04:28
ajmitchworrying :)04:28
crimsunI disabled it for all the high traffic channels04:29
Meshezabeelmic boost works from speakers, but still does not record04:29
Burgundaviacrimsun: you are crazy :)04:29
crimsunMeshezabeel: I thought you wanted to capture Line-in?04:29
Meshezabeelyes crimsun04:30
Laser_awaywell, it takes a bit of insanity to get all this stuff done ;-)04:30
Meshezabeeljust trying mic with mic boost on as you mentioned the mic04:30
Meshezabeelbut neither mic or line in work for recording, so is probably the same issue for both04:31
crimsunwhat have you tried?04:31
crimsun/if/ your model is correct, then you have two sets of mics and line-ins04:32
ajmitchLaser_away: not quite away today?04:32
Laser_awaylurking :-)04:32
ajmitchfigures :)04:32
Meshezabeelcrimsun, I only have one line in and mic in as well as midi and digital in04:32
crimsunMeshezabeel: so now we need to establish if your model is detected correctly.04:33
MeshezabeelI also have onboard sound, but that should be a different model I would think04:33
crimsunMeshezabeel: please pastebin ``lspci -vvn'' and the contents of /proc/asound/card0/codec*04:33
Meshezabeelhttp://pastebin.ca/44222504:37
MeshezabeelAlsamixer lists:04:40
MeshezabeelCard: Sound Fusion CS46xx                                                    04:40
MeshezabeelChip: Cirrus Logic CS4294 rev 5,Cirrus Logic CS4294 rev 5,Cirrus Logic CS42904:40
crimsunMeshezabeel: this is feisty, correct?04:41
Meshezabeelno, it is edgy04:41
crimsunMeshezabeel: hmm. cat /proc/asound/modules04:41
Meshezabeel 0 snd_cs46xx04:41
crimsungrep -i dsnoop /usr/share/alsa/cards/CS46xx.conf04:42
Meshezabeel# default with plughw/dsnoop04:43
Meshezabeel                        strings [ "dsnoop:" $CARD ] 04:43
crimsunright, that was fixed in feisty's 1.0.13-1ubuntu204:43
crimsunlet me isolate the fix for you.04:43
Meshezabeeloh, this was a bug in edgy?04:43
crimsunin edgy's alsa-lib configuration for cs46xx, yes.04:44
Meshezabeelok, cool04:44
MeshezabeelI should also add that this is an external sound box called Hercules Game Theater XP that uses cs46xx chipset I believe, not sure if that makes a difference04:45
crimsunMeshezabeel: change the dsnoop in that line that you see above to hw04:45
Meshezabeelcrimsun: not sure what you mean, you mean change it to:    strings ["hw:" $CARD ] 04:47
crimsuncorrect.04:47
Meshezabeelok, done04:48
Meshezabeeldo I need to reset something?04:49
crimsunnope, just restart the alsa apps in which you're attempting to record something04:49
Meshezabeelretried audacity still does not work04:50
Meshezabeelaudacity has playback and record set to /dev/dsp - this is the only option, is this correct?04:51
crimsunerr, that's oss emulation.04:51
crimsundoes arecord /dev/null  work?04:51
crimsunyou should at least be able to hear yourself04:51
crimsunafter confirming that much, replace "/dev/null" with another filename04:52
Meshezabeelyes, I can hear myself even when not running arecord etc.04:52
Meshezabeelarecord just records a sound file with no sound04:54
Meshezabeeli.e. white noise04:54
crimsunok, then we're back to the "are you using the correct mic toggle" issue04:55
Meshezabeelwell I can hear it in my speaker04:55
Meshezabeelwhen I use it, but when I record from it or line in, I get white noise04:56
crimsunyou can hear "it" because both mic inputs are not zeroed.04:56
Meshezabeelmic and line-in are the correct ones, mic1 and line-in1 are not the correct ones, not sure what those are04:57
Meshezabeelany way to tell arecord to use mic or line-in04:57
crimsunyes, I gave you an example line above04:59
crimsunI presumed you had applied it to line-in already04:59
crimsunamixer set 'Line',0 cap04:59
crimsunor04:59
crimsunamixer set 'Mic',0 cap04:59
crimsunyou can set this via the mixer applet in gnome, too05:00
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MeshezabeelI have Line set to cap, but still gives white noise on record05:03
crimsunare you using audacity or arecord?05:03
Meshezabeelboth05:04
Meshezabeelarecord just gives white noise too05:04
crimsuncan you test with a feisty desktop cd?05:04
crimsunI don't have an edgy install with which to troubleshoot05:04
crimsunoh wait05:05
crimsunduh05:05
Meshezabeelk :)05:05
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crimsunok, for cs46xx you need to set Capture, Line/Mic, and ADC05:05
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crimsunsorry, it has been quite some time since I did troubleshooting on cs46xx05:06
Meshezabeelnp :)05:06
crimsunso - amixer set 'ADC' cap05:06
Meshezabeelwhen I run arecord, I press ctrl+c to stop?05:07
crimsunyes05:07
Meshezabeelhey, I think it's working, it sounds a bit garbled, but I got sound!!!05:09
crimsunright, set the sample rate and all that05:10
Meshezabeelhmm, when I set it in audacity to 44100 it records to 8000 only05:12
crimsunaudacity bug05:12
Meshezabeelok, trying arecord -f cd05:13
Meshezabeelawesome05:14
Meshezabeelthanks for your help, it works!!!05:14
crimsunnp.05:14
Meshezabeeldo you have paypal account to send money to?05:14
crimsunnope.05:15
crimsunI'd rather you assist someone else new to {Ed,}ubuntu05:15
Meshezabeelok, I could do that too! thanks again :)05:15
Meshezabeelthis has been frustrating me for a couple of days05:16
Meshezabeelso when is feisty officially released? the 19th?05:18
crimsunthe week of the 19th, pending testing05:18
Meshezabeelok05:18
Meshezabeelubuntu and edubuntu released on the same day? or edubuntu a bit later?05:19
crimsunsame day.05:19
Meshezabeellook forward to it, I hear it is even faster than edgy, but haven't tried it yet05:24
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juliuxhi willvdl11:33
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cliebowany hints how to get libapache-mod-php5..or must i migrate to apache202:48
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ograis it still supported upstream ? i thought they dropped it02:50
highvoltagejudging by the amount of people who still use it, I hope it's still supported upstream :)02:51
cliebowmaybe just fight with apache2 then..02:54
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bddebianHeya02:56
cliebowho02:56
bddebianHello cliebow02:56
cliebowthought you deserved at least a "ho" 8~)02:57
bddebianheh :)02:57
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sbalneavMorning all04:20
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SimonAnibalAnyone here savvy about the differences between single and dual-processor systems?09:17
BurgundaviaSimonAnibal: in what sense?09:18
SimonAnibalWell, I'm looking at a couple of laptops; one has an AMD Turion 64 @ 2.0 GHz, one has an AMD Turion 64 X2 @ 1.60 GHz, the dual-core one is $80 more expensive and they are otherwise identical...in your opinion is it worth it to get the dual-core?09:19
SimonAnibalIs the X2 @ 1.60 Ghz sort-of-kind-of the equivalent of a single core @ 3.20?09:19
Burgundaviais it two cores, each at 1.6, or both for 1.6?09:20
SimonAnibalThat's kind of my question, I don't know. It's an AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-5009:20
SimonAnibalI'm ASSUMING that at $80 more than the normal 64 bit that each is running 1.609:20
SimonAnibalbut I don'09:20
SimonAnibalt know09:21
SimonAnibalIf not, then what's the point?09:22
Burgundavialook deeper into the stats09:23
Burgundaviafor a laptop, I would honestly be looking more into the power usage of each processor09:23
SimonAnibalHmmmm...so do more homework is the bottom line here?09:24
LaserJockBurgundavia: is there any single person that runs Planet Ubuntu?09:25
BurgundaviaLaserJock: not anymore, why?09:26
BurgundaviaSimonAnibal: basically, yes09:26
BurgundaviaSimonAnibal: you also really want all intel stuff09:26
LaserJockBurgundavia: I created a Behind MOTU blog and I'll like to put it on planet09:26
Burgundaviaah09:26
Burgundaviahmm, that isn't usually what goes on planet09:26
LaserJockBurgundavia: but I know there was some dicsussion about non-personal blogs being added, ala Package of the Day09:26
Burgundaviayep09:27
SimonAnibalBurgundavia: Thanks, and the only stuff that's in the price range I'm investigating right now is AMD09:27
BurgundaviaI would like to see them removed09:27
BurgundaviaSimonAnibal: there are lots of great Intel-only laptops09:27
SimonAnibalBurgundavia: Less than $800? I'd love to find them09:27
SimonAnibalBurgundavia: Well, thanks man, I appreciate you taking the time to help. I'm outta here09:38
Burgundaviano worries09:38
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cbx333Hi all, can someone please get me a feisty ldm login screenshot09:47
cbx333it's needed for hte edubutnu chapter of the official ubuntu book09:47
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n8k99is there a lighter windows manager that can be dropped into edubuntu to replace metacity?10:09
n8k99without terribly changing the appearance?10:09
LaserJockwell, you can10:09
LaserJockalthough I'm not sure how much you would gain10:10
LaserJockopenbox is one I know10:10
n8k99i have an incredibly slow and old system- i'd like to run it on10:11
LaserJockyou might do better with xfce4 then10:11
LaserJockreplacing all of Gnome10:11
n8k99hmmm... will that keep all teh edubuntu packages in place?10:12
LaserJockyeah10:12
n8k99thanks10:12
LaserJockwell, basically what you can do if you've already got and Edubuntu machine10:12
LaserJockis install xubuntu-desktop10:13
n8k99i do wantto retain someof theappearanceoftheedubutu look...sillyme10:14
n8k99ah sorry about the stuck space bar10:14
cbx33hey LaserJock10:15
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ograARGH10:58
ograwhy cant i change the topic anymore !!!!10:58
ograhighvoltage, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!110:58
ograplease fix that !!!10:58
cbx33ogra, calm down dude10:58
cbx33time for sleep10:58
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cbx33shh shh now...sandmans a comin'10:59
ograsworry i'm on the edgy i urgently need sleep and just want that done nobody tested the last isos10:59
ogra*egde10:59
ograanyway, night all10:59
cbx33i download one yesterday10:59
cbx33and installed it10:59
cbx33and as i said that network manager bug was still there11:00
cbx33i logged into the server11:00
ograplease record your results then11:00
cbx33and clients wouldn't boot11:00
ograare you sure that it was the NM bug  its technicaly not possible anymore that NM topuches yur ltsp interface11:00
cbx33well11:00
cbx33it says11:00
cbx33nfs: requires a path11:01
cbx33and they just won;t boot11:01
cbx33i know it's vmware11:01
cbx33but it should work11:01
ograthats not related to NM11:01
ograi'm pretty sure11:01
cbx33ok11:01
ograbut anyway, no test results apart frommine ...11:02
cbx33ok11:02
ograand nobody logged bugs ...11:02
cbx33I'll try to test again11:02
cbx33I'm trying11:02
ograanyway i need sleep now .. night all11:02
cbx33but I'm snowed under11:02
cbx33nn ogra11:02
ograit would be nice if we could free the topic again11:02
ograso people can edit it11:03
cbx33I've never had IRC rights11:03
cbx33so I can't do anything11:03
ograyou nver needed any11:03
cbx33I'll ask highvoltage if i see11:03
ograthats my point11:03
ograi'm online 16h a day so i'll catch if someone does any bad stuff usualy11:03
cbx33ok11:04
cbx33sorry11:04
ograwhat for11:04
ogra?11:04
cbx33agravating the sleepy bear ;)11:04
ajmitchheh11:04
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frandavid100hey guys11:23
frandavid100I gave this idea in the gutsy forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41035111:23
frandavid100It's about ubuntu for internet cafes, and it's closely related to thin-client-manager11:24
frandavid100so, you being the experts in TCM I would appreciate it if you could take a look at it and contribute with ideas, or just say that it can or it cannot be done11:25
Burgworkfrandavid100: merely needs developers11:25
frandavid100that's why11:25
frandavid100if you can say what is needed, maybe it will get some attention11:25
frandavid100maybe someone will like the idea and code a plugin for tcm11:26
Burgworkyou need a couple of things11:26
Burgwork1. ability to easily turn on guest accounts11:26
Burgwork2. a daemon to control time11:26
Burgwork3. a tool to manage 211:26
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frandavid100yup, the guest account thing has been proposed as well11:27
frandavid100anyway I would like you guys to say that there in the thread, I don't have any technical knowledge so if you give some info in the thread it will be more useful than telling... well, me.11:28
frandavid100you'd be taken more seriously too, being tcm devs11:28
Burgworkguest account has nothing to do with tcm11:32
frandavid100then I didn't understand you when you said that you need to easily turn on guest accounts11:34
LaserJockfrandavid100: well, you'll want a guest account for people to us, right?11:37
LaserJockyou wouldn't want each person to get their own account11:38
ajmitchhi Burgwork11:40
frandavid100yup11:40
ajmitchthe gutsy forum is open already? interesting11:40
frandavid100there is supposed to be a guest account, where all new files and settings would be deleted after logoff11:41
frandavid100at least that's the proposal11:41
LaserJockajmitch: have you seen how many "ideas" there are? :-)11:42
LaserJockfrandavid100: right, but that has nothing to do with TCM11:43
ajmitchLaserJock: just looking & wincing now11:43
ajmitchwonderful ideas, all of them11:43
frandavid100yeah, but tcm could control clients in an internet cafe environments right?11:44
LaserJocksure11:44
frandavid100that's my point11:44
frandavid100the guest accounts would just serve the same purpose11:44
Burgworkhey ajmitch11:44
cbx33hey Burgwork11:53
frandavid100well, I gotta leave12:00
frandavid100please speak your mind in the thread, even if to say how someone who wants to do the necessary plugins can contact you12:01
frandavid100bye!12:01
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Burgworkhey cbx3312:08

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