[12:12] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, ok im going to introduce you to man pages
[12:12] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, type "man ln" in konsole
[12:12] <Sanne> pieman: yes, there's a way I think. The default install of php is as an apache module, but I believe theres also a binary you can run from the cli. Let me look.
[12:13] <philphoto> yeah, I have a bit of a problem with man pages
[12:13] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, oh, ok
[12:13] <philphoto> because to look up the page you want to see, you need to know what the nomenclature for the app is.
[12:14] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, what ln does is link a file from one location to another
[12:14] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, sort of like a shortcut
[12:14] <philphoto> ok
[12:14] <Sanne> pieman: I guess it would be the package php4-cli, look at the description here, sounds like it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/web/php4-cli
[12:14] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, the syntax goes ln -s <actual file> <link>
[12:15] <pieman> Sanne, thanks.
[12:15] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, the system sees the link as the actual file, without having to copy the whole thing over
[12:15] <Sanne> pieman: lol, this is good: "if you're frightened of perl and python" ;)
[12:16] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, so i would suggest creating a link to the library file where the system is looking for it
[12:17] <philphoto> ok, would that look like: <ln -s "/usr/lib/iscan/libesint54.so" "/usr/lib/libesint54.so">  ?
[12:18] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, yup, without the <> braces
[12:18] <dsmith_> where does java load to?
[12:18] <dsmith_> typically
[12:18] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, also quotes not necessary
[12:18] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: of course.  sweet.  thanks so much.
[12:18] <hitmanWilly> np
[12:18] <philphoto> quotes are NOT necessary in this respect?
[12:18] <dsmith_> "/usr/lib/ jvm??
[12:18] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, variables, yes, system commands. no
[12:19] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, but they won't hurt anything
[12:19] <Cosmo_>  I downloaded the .debs for my brother 1840c printer since it is not on the list that comes up when adding a printer, but when I install the .deb it still doesn't come up on the list. What am I doing wrong?
[12:19] <pieman> Sanne: lol, i would prefer to write my script in perl/python, but i dunno how! :p
[12:19] <philphoto> ok, is there anything that is needed to go between the two file paths?
[12:19] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, nope
[12:19] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, a space
[12:19] <dsmith_> nm I found it
[12:19] <dsmith_> I as right
[12:19] <dsmith_> :)
[12:20] <philphoto> cool, cool.  I'll let you know if it  works
[12:20] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, which reminds me, you DO need quotes anytime a path or filename has a space in it
[12:20] <Sanne> pieman: heh. php is nice. But I can recommend python, it's easy to pick up, actually. I also knew php first, but I have already scripted my first little scripts in python. It's great.
[12:21] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, which is why linux people like -'s or _'s :)
[12:22] <pieman> Sanne: I think i will check it out at some point...I use java for most of my programming needs, but for very simple stuff with mysql, i am much happier with php, since the development speed is much faster as it doesn't complain about much :p
[12:22] <Sanne> pieman: if you ever want to have a go, this one has helped me tremendously: http://swaroopch.info/text/Byte_of_Python:Main_Page
[12:22] <macabro22> excuse me. How do I check if I have the right video driver installed?
[12:23] <pieman> Sanne: does python come with a mysql connection module by default?
[12:23] <hitmanWilly> pieman, i don't think so, but it has one available
[12:23] <Sanne> pieman: I guess it's somewhere in the repositories, but I don't know if it's also installed already. I guess not, since python is so very modular. Let me look.
[12:23] <hitmanWilly> pieman, python-sql, i think
[12:24] <philphoto_> hitmanWilly: how can I test the symblic link I just created?
[12:24] <pieman> in terms of performance, in executing from command line, which is going to be fastest and less system intensive for updating a mysql database, perl/python or php?
[12:25] <Sanne> pieman: it's python-mysqldb. I have it installed, and can't remember to have done it manually. It might be there already.
[12:25] <philphoto_> sorry if I posted that twice.  router just reset & I may have duplicated the msg
[12:25] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, just ls the directory and see if its there
[12:26] <pieman> Sanne, thanks, i'll probably have a go at this soon.
[12:26] <Sanne> pieman: I dunno about performance. As a hunch, I would say php is mainly made for the web, python and pperl for scripting, so they might be faster. But that's just an uninformed guess.
[12:26] <Sanne> pieman: you're welcome, have fun
[12:27] <philphoto_> hitmanWilly: yup, it's there
[12:27] <pieman> but they are all interpreted languages...so i wonder how much difference there is...
[12:27] <hitmanWilly> philphoto_, good, should work then
[12:28] <korrx> macabro22: lsmod |grep agpgart
[12:28] <Sanne> pieman: yeah, would be interesting to know.
[12:28] <hitmanWilly> philphoto_, unless the problem lies elsewhere
[12:28] <philphoto_> well, the problem is that the scanner utility reports the scanner has been found, but no driver is installed
[12:28] <philphoto_> yeah.
[12:29] <shawn34> ok guys, i've installed my wireless driver but having problems configuring and enabling... can anyone help me out?
[12:29] <shawn34> i was able to do this no problem in gnome
[12:29] <shawn34> not that its any different
[12:30] <_arafat> shawn34: have you tried knetworkmanager?
[12:31] <shawn34> _arafat: installed by default?
[12:31] <shawn34> where do i find it
[12:31] <shawn34> these menus are a little confusing
[12:31] <philphoto_> hitmanWilly: what is gcc 3.2/3.3?  vice gcc 3.4 or later?  is this a Linux kernel somethingorother?
[12:31] <shawn34> im from a gnome background
[12:31] <shawn34> lol
[12:31] <_arafat> shawn34: not sure whether it's installed by default...
[12:31] <_arafat> j
[12:31] <_arafat> shawn34: just try to start it:-)
[12:32] <korrx> philphoto C++ copiler
[12:32] <shawn34> _arafat: i already did
[12:32] <shawn34> its not starting
[12:32] <_arafat> shawn34: but it's installed?
[12:32] <philphoto_> korrx: how do I find out which I'm using?  it appears that's an issue with this driver i'm trying to install
[12:34] <korrx> philphoto : gcc --version
[12:34] <philphoto_> thx
[12:34] <korrx> you're welcome
[12:35] <Sanne> philphoto: if you compile a kernel module, you must use the same gcc version that was used to build the kernel. You can see that with: cat /proc/version
[12:36] <hitmanWilly> philphoto_, sorry, away for a sec
[12:36] <korrx> Sanne : YES !
[12:37] <Sanne> korrx: :)
[12:38] <korrx> cd /pub && more beer
[12:39] <hitmanWilly> korrx, actually shouldn't that be cd /pub && beer | less? i know, its not as funny that way :)
[12:39] <korrx> ;)
[12:40] <korrx> less beer is sad
[12:40] <hitmanWilly> less is more :)
[12:40] <korrx> :P
[12:42] <philphoto_> my computer has no love for the scanner.  :(
[12:42] <hitmanWilly> philphoto_, spitting out more errors, or the same one?
[12:42] <philphoto_> stupid @$$ drivers
[12:42] <korrx> computer has no feeling either
[12:42] <philphoto_> same one
[12:42] <korrx> :D
[12:43] <os2mac> how do you modify the Grub boot menu?
[12:43] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, /boot/grub/menu.lst is the config file
[12:43] <Sanne> os2mac: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (make a backup first)
[12:43] <philphoto_> "VueScan found an Epson Perfection 4490, but no Epson software for this scanner was found on your system. Try downloading a driver for this scanner from www.avasys.jp/english. See the VueScan Release Notes for more information."
[12:43] <korrx> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:43] <shawn34> can someone please help me get my wifi working?
[12:43] <sha> Hello, i use X.org and i have a nvidia graphical card, do someone know how i can set my brightness/HUE/saturation for my desktop, and not for the videos only ?
[12:44] <shawn34> driver is installed and hardware is there
[12:44] <shawn34> but i can't enable it
[12:44] <soulrider> sha: just a second
[12:44] <soulrider> shawn34: i dont ahve wifi so i cant help you :(
[12:45] <soulrider> sha, in desktop right click > configure desktop > display > monitor gamma
[12:45] <hitmanWilly> sha, there's a gamma option in xorg.conf too, if you want to go that way
[12:46] <sha> soulrider: right click on the desktop, i don't have the "configure desktop" option, and hitmanWilly, if you have  a way yeah, it's also can be usefull
[12:47] <soulrider> sha: oh, im not on kubuntu at the moment actually
[12:47] <sha> because on my nvidia preference, i can set only the brightness and gamma, but not the saturation or HUE, and i want absolutly fix the saturation
[12:47] <sha> and i'm on ubuntu feisty
[12:47] <hitmanWilly> sha, saturation ive got no idea on, except manually on the monitor
[12:48] <sha> even my monitor can't handle it
[12:48] <hitmanWilly> sha, what nvidia card?
[12:48] <philphoto_> sha: are you trying to calibrate your monitor?
[12:48] <sha> i use beryl, and beryl can fix the saturation on the windows, but only for the windows, i need it for the full desktop, and i use a gforce fx 5200
[12:48] <sha> it's a flat screen ACER
[12:49] <philphoto_> are you trying to cal it for image processing/graphics use?
[12:49] <hitmanWilly> sha, do you have the legacy drivers installed, i think the 5200's on the legacy list
[12:49] <sha> yes, but not into the soft, i must  do it for the full desktop
[12:49] <sha> it's not a legacy, i use the regular one
[12:50] <sha> the legacy crash X
[12:50] <korrx> nvidia-settings ; save your tweaks to a file and locate lines related to saturation and update your xorg.conf with that line
[12:50] <sha> korrx: yes i want, but the line saturation don't exist and i have no idea how i can add it as option
[12:50] <philphoto_> right.  I just installed this & it works well: http://www.pcbypaul.com/software/GAMMApage.html
[12:51] <korrx> ok sha
[12:51] <korrx> do you tried with nvidia-settings ?
[12:51] <sha> philphoto: it's a soft, i don't need a soft :p
[12:52] <s0nix> Hi, is there a way to synchronize ALL Kontact information (including all plugins, note, read mail, todo list, contacts) ? cause i want to use this wonderful software on my home pc AND on my laptop. thx for ur answer
[12:52] <philphoto_> well, saturation is an adjustment, not native to most displays
[12:52] <philphoto_> it's going to have to be a software util
[12:52] <sha> korrz: in nvidia-settings, i have Brightness, Contrast, Gamma
[12:53] <sha> saturation is still missing
[12:53] <sha> and i must set it :/
[12:53] <korrx> oops
[12:53] <sha> that the only thign i really need to change
[12:53] <korrx> ;)
[12:53] <philphoto_> what is forcing you to set saturation?
[12:53] <sha> that what i try to know, how i can force the saturation of my screen
[12:54] <sha> Beryl manager can do that, but only for the windows, not for the full desktop
[12:54] <sha> so i wonder if something can do that, because when i google it, all i found about saturation are for gimp or videos
[12:54] <os2mac> ok, how do I turn sudo OFF?
[12:54] <korrx> in mine there is an option slider for brightness... sorry for you Sha..
[12:54] <philphoto> full screen saturation is not an option
[12:55] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, sudo is one time use only
[12:55] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, its not like su
[12:55] <philphoto> there only exist two adjustments on monitors.  contrast and brightness
[12:55] <os2mac> the point is I don't want to have to use it.
[12:56] <sha> philphoto: some monitore have the saturation and it's somethign you can set on every monitore, but 90% of them, the option don't apear at all, so i wonder how i can force it
[12:56] <sha> at least into xorg.conf
[12:56] <philphoto> it all goes back to gamma.
[12:56] <sha> and it's because ppl don't use it, they have removed the option saturation in most of the monitores lol
[12:57] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, well you can su to get root access, but its not a good idea to stay in that mode
[12:57] <sha> and gamma is not enough :/
[12:57] <philphoto> what kind of saturation do you need?
[12:57] <sha> gamma is limited, how i can force the limit then ?
[12:57] <sha> totaly gray
[12:57] <os2mac> ok lemme ask the question a little differently.
[12:57] <sha> i must remove the color
[12:57] <philphoto> you're trying to create a grayscale monitor?
[12:57] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, or just login as root, but that's a REALLY BAD idea
[12:58] <sha> yes
[12:58] <os2mac> is there a way I can set a program to startup in admin mode (I.E. knetworkmanager) and NOT have to type a password three times everytime I login?
[12:58] <philphoto> ah, you'll need to disable your colors then.
[12:58] <sha> lol how XD
[12:58] <philphoto> I have no idea how.  may I ask why?
[12:59] <sha> that what i try to do since lot of weeks now, and why, because i'm fully colorblind, and for some reason, i can't barely adjust the brightness and contrast of my screen for optimize my work if i don't remove the color first
[01:00] <philphoto> aha.
[01:00] <os2mac> anyone?
[01:00] <Tm_T> sha: let me think...
[01:01] <Tm_T> sha: install kde-guidance
[01:02] <Tm_T> sha: then relogin to KDE, start kcontrol and in pheripherals there is display settings now
[01:02] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, it asks for the password for a reason. the only way i can think of would be to use a blank line for a root password, but again that is definately NOT reccommended
[01:02] <Tm_T> sha: there should be gamma settings
[01:02] <Tm_T> sha: I think that help for adjusting stuff
[01:02] <sha> Tm_T, i'm installing it, but errr i'm on gnome
[01:03] <Tm_T> sha: I see, dunno about gnome side
[01:03] <Tm_T> sha: tried #ubuntu ?
[01:03] <Sanne> sha: might want to ask in #ubuntu
[01:03] <hitmanWilly> Tm_T, words out of my mouth
[01:03] <sha> hmmmm i see lol, i use konversation lmao, that why i'm on kubuntu
[01:03] <Tm_T> hitmanWilly: I'm not coming near to your mouth, even if you dream of
[01:03] <sha> X3
[01:04] <hitmanWilly> lol
[01:04] <sha> so thank you everyone for your help
[01:04] <sha> i will see on ubuntu :p
[01:04] <os2mac> ok so I have to enter a password for kwallet, knetworkmanager, AND to login. do you see my point?
[01:04] <Tm_T> sha: and if there won't be any help, slap me
[01:05] <sha> Tm_T: carefull, the #ubuntu chan is weird sometime X3
[01:05] <pieman> Sanne: that works great...except it didn't work at first because of an error, so i corrected that, but it still didnt work. so went back online for more help. just sat and looked at it, and i'm trying to parse a file, but using the wrong file name, which is the problem. doh. :p
[01:05] <Tm_T> sha: I have heard it'd busy, so I avoid it
[01:05] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, kwallet only needs a password once, it leaves a daemon running, but linux is supposed to work that way
[01:06] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, i mean, asking for passwords for system critical stuff
[01:06] <Sanne> pieman: heh, been there :). Hmm, I don't know if you can set up php-cli to spit out errors in a logfile. With the apache module you can do it. Would help with those errors.
[01:07] <os2mac> but I don't think your understanding my annoyance. I have to enter the same password three times before I can't do any work.
[01:07] <pieman> sanne, not a scripting error...there is a line in a file that has to be commented out to make it work
[01:07] <os2mac> sorry before I CAN do any work :)
[01:07] <pieman> although i used c style comment instead of perl at first lol...too late at night for this!
[01:07] <Sanne> pieman: ah ok :)
[01:07] <Tm_T> os2mac: you should see how many passwords I enter when starting computer
[01:08] <Tm_T> os2mac: one reason I keep it running all the time =)
[01:08] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, the only way around that is to login as root, and even then kwallet will still ask for a password on startup
[01:08] <Tm_T> os2mac: and I do use ssh keys etc to avoid passwords
[01:08] <Tm_T> price of security, I rather have it this way than let anyone do stuff around
[01:09] <os2mac> Tm_t: this is a laptop... it's impractical to be able to  be able to leave this computer running all the time.
[01:09] <Tm_T> os2mac: I know, but three passwords isn't much
[01:09] <Tm_T> if needed only when booting AND in some particular cases
[01:09] <os2mac> yes... but it's about 2 too many.
[01:09] <Tm_T> not IMO
[01:11] <os2mac> but IMO there should be a way to grant permissions to a known program upon install to allow to operate.
[01:11] <Tm_T> nope
[01:12] <Tm_T> but you can set kwallet to passwordless
[01:12] <Tm_T> and sudo also
[01:12] <os2mac> how?
[01:12] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, the problem with only entering a password once is that it would have to be stored in memory somewhere, making it vulnerable to a buffer overflow or some such thing
[01:13] <Tm_T> os2mac: kwallet is simple, or should, IIRC it let you set empty password -> passwordless
[01:13] <Tm_T> I don't help with sudo, that IMO would be too unsecurity
[01:13] <os2mac> HitmanWilly. that is an invalid argument. A password is already stored anyway.
[01:14] <Tm_T> but there's tons of documentation for that one so you don't need my help anyway =)
[01:14] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, in an encrypted hdd file, not in ram
[01:14] <K-Ryan> !ati
[01:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:15] <malus> bonjour!
[01:15] <scrubb> Hello
[01:15] <malus> :)
[01:15] <os2mac> TM_t: you still have to enter a password to start the program because it runs in Root
[01:16] <SharpRazor> I need help please anyone!!
[01:16] <scrubb> Me too!
[01:16] <scrubb> heh heh
[01:16] <SharpRazor> i had newest kernel .15 but when I booted to it i had no gui interface
[01:16] <Cosmo_> the NVIDIA x server doesn't have all the settings it had before and it's not recognizing that I have a second monitor connected. how do I fix this?
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> why do you have to enter that many passwords.
[01:17] <scrubb> Eft isn't configuring eth0 correctly...
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> bah, that'll teach me to scroll down before typing
[01:17] <os2mac> Daisuke_ido, anytime a program has to run at Root you have to grant it access.
[01:17] <scrubb> So I can't access the network/internet...
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> that's...  how linux works.
[01:18] <scrubb> Can someone help me troubleshoot?
[01:18] <Joooooooe> hey how do I update adept?
[01:18] <SharpRazor> sudo apt-get update
[01:18] <SharpRazor> You mean repositories?
[01:18] <malus> but how can u enter a pass?
[01:19] <Joooooooe> scrubb: what's the problem?
[01:19] <malus> in root
[01:20] <scrubb> DHCP isn't working.
[01:20] <scrubb> The system sees my ethernet device.
[01:21] <malus> is it possible to desactive dhcp without lost connection?
[01:21] <scrubb> I have no connection to begin with...
[01:21] <scrubb> cept for loopback maybe?
[01:22] <Borg^Queen> hi how do i update adept?
[01:22] <malus> when u use 2 computers u need to use dhcp no?
[01:22] <scrubb> I have a small home network.
[01:23] <malus> how your home network work :p
[01:23] <sha> ok, screw #ubuntu, they are still dumb lol, i'm gonna remove gnome and go on KDE -.-
[01:23] <wolferine> can someone give me a bit of understanding into sound in *buntu?
[01:23] <wolferine> sha, I wouldnt even remove Gnome
[01:23] <wolferine> just keep it
[01:24] <sha> lol
[01:24] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, as in what?
[01:24] <malus> but yet
[01:24] <Borg^Queen> sha welcome to the darkside
[01:24] <scrubb> malus, it's a netgear router connected to a cable modem...2 computers on the router.
[01:24] <sha> sudo /etc/init.d/gnm stop ?
[01:24] <wolferine> hitmanWilly, as in what are there, multiple sound codecs, drivers, devices?
[01:25] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, is the router set up right?
[01:25] <SharpRazor> I installed accidentally ubuntu-desktop, i want to go back to kubuntu, what should i do??
[01:25] <wolferine> sha, check the Ubuntu Guide (google it) and it will show you have to install KDE on top of Gnome
[01:25] <wolferine> or, well side-by-side
[01:26] <sha> thank wolferine :D
[01:26] <wolferine> yeah, sha you might as well keep it
[01:26] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, well, buntu doesn't come stock with any proprietary sound codecs due to legal issues, but you can get them from the repos
[01:26] <wolferine> you might try it again :)
[01:26] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, as far as drivers, it uses alsa with oss emulation
[01:26] <wolferine> hitmanWilly, so what is the default sound (or what are the types) used in *buntu?
[01:27] <wolferine> yeah, alsa
[01:27] <wolferine> and oss
[01:27] <ratshell> Hello all, is kubuntu any different then ubuntu besides the kde?
[01:27] <wolferine> what are those really, just drivers?
[01:27] <wolferine> ratshell, nope
[01:27] <ratshell> ok you like kde better
[01:27] <sha> found it : sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:27] <wolferine> i use Gnome myself ratshell
[01:27] <ratshell> wolferine, could you do me a favor
[01:27] <wolferine> and just add KDE apps, when I need them
[01:28] <wolferine> sha, the instructions are that easy
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, alsa is the system that talks to the sound drivers
[01:28] <ratshell> Wolferine, could you come to the channel ubuntuhelp
[01:28] <wolferine> ratshell, sorry, not atm
[01:28] <sha> gnome and kde is like win 2000 and win xp i guess
[01:28] <sha> except they have each different appz
[01:28] <ratshell> Okay well when you can please I need to ask you something
[01:28] <wolferine> hitmanWilly, and where is my sound device located, or is there more than one?
[01:28] <ratshell> or sha could you come to the channel ubuntuhelp
[01:29] <sha> what the # ?
[01:29] <wolferine> sha, you can use Gnome apps in KDE, and vice versa
[01:29] <sha> i know
[01:29] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, most sound device drivers are compiled as kernel modules or straight into the kernel even
[01:29] <sha> i'm myself on Konversation :p
[01:29] <SharpRazor> sorry but i already did this sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:29] <sha> what i meant is KDE and gnome are just a desktop environment
[01:29] <SharpRazor> how can i uninstall whole ubuntu-desktop package??
[01:30] <wolferine> SharpRazor, why would you want to?
[01:30] <ratshell> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <SharpRazor> i did
[01:30] <ratshell> sudo apt-get uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <SharpRazor> it didn't help at all,
[01:30] <hitmanWilly> SharpRazor, now apt-get autoremove
[01:30] <wolferine> hitmanWilly, where can I start to read abit more into it, eventually looking into configuring my VMware to run audio...
[01:31] <ratshell> wolferine, you tried virtual box?
[01:31] <wolferine> VMware
[01:31] <wolferine> thats it
[01:31] <sha> also, if i remember for switch of desktop, we can use something like : sudo /usr/init.d/gdm stop  then sudo /usr/init.d/kdm start
[01:31] <hitmanWilly> SharpRazor, since the ubuntu-desktop package isn't holding them as dependencies anymore, a LOT of apps should be removed
[01:31] <SharpRazor> oh crap
[01:32] <Sanne> sha: you can switch your desktop at login, with both kdm and gdm
[01:32] <sha> \0/
[01:32] <hitmanWilly> SharpRazor, what happened?
[01:32] <sha> i forgoten that Sanne
[01:32] <Sanne> sha: :)
[01:32] <sha> just need to choose the option :p
[01:32] <sha> hehe, i'm maybe too much CLI :p
[01:32] <Sanne> haha
[01:33] <SharpRazor> will it uninstall if i'm not in a safe mode??
[01:33] <sha> ((anyway, that cuz i crashed too many time gnome <.<))
[01:33] <hitmanWilly> SharpRazor, what?
[01:33] <SharpRazor> shouldn't I uninstall ubuntu-desktop while in safe mode??
[01:33] <Dasnipa`> um... no
[01:34] <Dasnipa`> it doesnt matter
[01:34] <Dasnipa`> at least i dont think it does
[01:34] <wolferine> hitmanWilly, anything more you can offer?
[01:34] <SharpRazor> ok
[01:34] <Dasnipa`> but im 99% sure it is fine
[01:34] <Arwen> SharpRazor, A) there's no safe mode. B) no, not really
[01:34] <SharpRazor> i will check if it will work sha thank You
[01:34] <SharpRazor> oh by the way, does any of You know a good backup distro?
[01:34] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, well, you could try google or wikipedia for more info, most of mine comes from experience
[01:35] <Dasnipa`> Arwen, i think hes talking about the kernal safe mode...
[01:35] <wolferine> so alsa?
[01:35] <sosko> hi all
[01:35] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, alsa is maintained by the alsa project, you could check their website
[01:35] <sosko> how do i install libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap modules on kubuntu 6.10
[01:35] <wolferine> but is that a good place to start
[01:35] <Borg^Queen> hi how do i update adept?
[01:35] <Arwen> Dasnipa`, the kernel doesn't have a safe mode...
[01:36] <Cosmo_> the NVIDIA x server doesn't have all the settings it had before and it's not recognizing that I have a second monitor connected. how do I fix this?
[01:36] <sha> i be right back, i'm gonna try KDE :D
[01:36] <wolferine> i would eventually like to record streaming audio as well
[01:36] <sha> \0/ KDE FTW
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, if all you're trying to do is get sound in VMware, try the ubuntu forums
[01:36] <Dasnipa`> Arwen, in grub whenever you get a new kernal 2 lines are added... the new kernal and the safe mode corresponding to it
[01:36] <wolferine> yeah, not just looking to troubleshoot a common problem here
[01:36] <wolferine> just looking to understand the setup better
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, as for streaming audio, im pretty sure there's an app out there to do it
[01:36] <jtt> htdig: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-21ubuntu1) but 1:4.1.1-13ubuntu5 is to be installed question is where would i find  1:4.1.1-21ubuntu1
[01:37] <Arwen> Dasnipa`, the kernel doesn't have a a safe mode! you're talking about the "single user mode" which is not part of the kernel...
[01:37] <ratshell> Wolferine, i know how to stream music
[01:37] <Arwen> single user mode = runlevel 1
[01:37] <ratshell> brb
[01:37] <orient2000> #ubuntuhelp
[01:37] <wolferine> ratshell, thats not what I am looking to do
[01:37] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, if you're feeling particularly curious, there's always the source code to take a look at
[01:38] <wolferine> yeah, thanks hitman
[01:38] <ratshell> wolferine, would you mind coming to channel #ubuntuhelp please
[01:38] <ratshell> just have a question for you
[01:38] <wolferine> ask me here
[01:38] <sha> \0/ i'm on KDE :D
[01:38] <word> kalorin_: :'(
[01:38] <ratshell> please come to that channel, then I will exlain. just real quick that is all I ask
[01:38] <wolferine> nope, sorry
[01:39] <ratshell> Well I can't ask it here, cause certain admin officials do not like my question. And have currently blocked me from three other ubuntu channels because of it.
[01:39] <wolferine> then maybe its not a good question to be asking
[01:39] <hitmanWilly> ratshell, unless its about h4x0ring someone elses's box, just ask it
[01:40] <wolferine> unless :)
[01:40] <ratshell> Okay lets say you ask how to do something okay. Now I have done whatever it is in the past so I suggest something that has worked for me in the past. Do you think that is okay?
[01:41] <wolferine> can you rephrase the question?
[01:41] <_Ace2016_> hi all] 
[01:41] <hitmanWilly> ummmmmmm
[01:41] <hitmanWilly> non comprende senior
[01:41] <_Ace2016_> how do i force a disk check? i tripped over the power cable :(
[01:41] <ratshell> Okay like some people having when upgrading to feisty problem with nvidia driver not working.
[01:41] <Daisuke_Ido> ratshell: if it's a general fix or generally well known command, then yes, but if it's a worked-for-me weird solution, then probably not
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a judgement call
[01:42] <ratshell> So I suggested to them something that has worked for me and other people with the card they have.
[01:42] <ratshell> And because some of the officials say it isn't good advice. I got banned for giving it.
[01:42] <ratshell> Do you think this is wrong or right?
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> first of all, is ubuntuhelp even an official ubuntu resource?
[01:43] <Daisuke_Ido> like #ubuntu and #kubuntu are
[01:43] <ratshell> do not know, I just went there and it is open....
[01:43] <wolferine> ratshell, im sure bringing this up with us, well, will do nothing for you
[01:43] <ratshell> I know but just asking as a question
[01:43] <wolferine> well, I asked you to rephrase
[01:43] <ratshell> I did
[01:43] <wolferine> and you didnt, so I cannot really answer
[01:44] <wolferine> u did?
[01:44] <wolferine> sorry
[01:44] <ratshell> Okay I know how to fix a problem you have. Do you think I should tell you how to fix it. Even if this is not an OFFICIAL way to fix it from UBUNUT.
[01:44] <wolferine> didnt notice
[01:44] <Tm_T> ratshell: we are here too ;)
[01:44] <ratshell> Tm_T I am just asking a question
[01:44] <ratshell> Do not ban me again please.
[01:44] <Tm_T> ratshell: what that is?
[01:45] <ratshell> See wolferine, these are the people banned me earlier.
[01:45] <ratshell> So that is why i was worried about saying it.
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> then it was probably deserved
[01:45] <wolferine> ratshell, well, maybe that might be a big hint to just drop it
[01:45] <Tm_T> ratshell: I didn't ban you
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> because they tend to have pretty good judgement.
[01:45] <Tm_T> ratshell: but if you just whine about it all around... well, let's say this way: this is not a place for that discussion
[01:45] <wolferine> anyways, who knows of a good linux/*buntu sound tutorial site?
[01:46] <ratshell> Ubuntu sound tutorial?
[01:46] <Tm_T> wolferine: random idea: search in gentoo wiki
[01:46] <ratshell> Little mor detail
[01:46] <Tm_T> wolferine: but help.ubuntu.com is good place too
[01:46] <Tm_T> wolferine: especially community part of it
[01:47] <wolferine> howto alsa?
[01:47] <Tm_T> wolferine: yes, good search word ;-)
[01:47] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, oh yeah, i forgot about the gentoo wiki's. If you want to know how something in nix really works, that's the place.
[01:47] <wolferine> k
[01:47] <wolferine> i think this is what I am looking for
[01:47] <wolferine> thanks
[01:48] <sha> i'm starting to love KDE+BERYL
[01:48] <sha> <3
[01:48] <hitmanWilly> sha: great, huh
[01:48] <obvio171> how much room does the edgy-feisty upgrader need in /boot?
[01:48] <_4strO> sure i love them ^^
[01:49] <Tm_T> obvio171: expect it to double?
[01:49] <Tm_T> obvio171: to say the truth; no idea
[01:49] <obvio171> Tm_T: I have a 37mb partition and it complained there wasn't room enough. Then I moved everything out and tried again, it still says it's not enough.
[01:49] <obvio171> I really don't wanna have to repartition my HD to upgrade
[01:50] <Tm_T> obvio171: does #ubuntu+1 help? :)
[01:50] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, mine has about 3 gigs
[01:51] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, on a 200 gig drive
[01:51] <ratshell> Well I am at #ubuntuhelp if yall need me. These rooms are to monitored in a since. See yall there.
[01:51] <obvio171> Tm_T: nice thanks
[01:51] <obvio171> hitmanWilly: and how much room does it take?
[01:52] <_4strO> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root 4,0K 2007-04-15 19:48 boot
[01:52] <Tm_T> _4strO: eh eh
[01:52] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, not sure
[01:52] <Tm_T> "du -sh /boot/"
[01:52] <Tm_T> tells how much there is stuff
[01:52] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, honestly, i installed feisty fresh and just used the reccommended layout
[01:53] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, 50 m used
[01:53] <obvio171> hmm
[01:53] <obvio171> it mustn't be too easy to repartition right?
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, not on boot
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> it has to start within the first 1024 cylinders
[01:55] <hitmanWilly> sorry, be on
[02:00] <crazy_penguin> 'night all!
[02:00] <scrubb> Hey, could someone tell me how to find out if "forcedeth.c" is included in the kubuntu driver set and if so, how to use it?
[02:01] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, that's a source code file
[02:02] <scrubb> I know.
[02:02] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, maybe in linux-headers or one of the dev packages
[02:02] <scrubb> hmm
[02:02] <darko> how can i set the cpu frequency table? I'm on a pentium m and the cpu frequency table is apparantly incorrect :-[
[02:03] <darko> help.....
[02:03] <tricasse> scrubb: see the contents of the linux-source-`uname -r` package maybe
[02:04] <pnutbttr> i cant seem to turn off all the sound effects of kubuntu
[02:05] <Tm_T> pnutbttr: did you look kcontrol -> system -> notifications
[02:05] <Tm_T> there is lot of notifications you can adjust as you like
[02:07] <ratshell> pnubttr we can help you with that if you need, but where in the channel #ubuntuhelp. So come there if you want to.
[02:07] <hitmanWilly> pnutbttr, you could always disable kde's sound system
[02:08] <XenThraL> hi, I'm having a weird issue where icon names on the desktop become blurred out and move after a while
[02:08] <pnutbttr> ok, never mind, i just wasnot understanding how k control was working
[02:08] <XenThraL> is this a known issue? I didn't really know how to google for it
[02:08] <hitmanWilly> pnutbttr, it shouldn't affect any other apps
[02:09] <wolferine> where is my sound dev located (usually)?
[02:09] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, as in PCI address?
[02:09] <wolferine> yes
[02:09] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, depends on the card
[02:10] <wolferine> Nvidia CK804
[02:10] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, honestly, no idea
[02:10] <wolferine> well dont answer then :P
[02:10] <wolferine> hehe
[02:12] <pieman> is there any way i can get my real ip address (ie, wan of my router) from the command line?
[02:12] <wolferine> use www.whatismyip.com
[02:12] <wolferine> ?
[02:13] <pieman> well i can get my ip from a script run on the net no probs...
[02:13] <pieman> but i want to be able to access it locally really...
[02:13] <voorhees86> have aMsn on apt-get?
[02:13] <wolferine> voorhees86, thats where I got it
[02:14] <voorhees86> i'm not find
[02:14] <pieman> i have a dynamic ip, so in order to access my computer from uni, i want to write a script to run and just upload my current ip address to a database or something..
[02:14] <voorhees86> how is the name of the packgedt
[02:14] <word> Errmm...I get this error - "BOGUS LENGTH in write keyboard desc, expected 5840, got 5844" and then x crashes...anyone know what could be wrong?
[02:14] <wolferine> voorhees86, use the ubuntu guide (google it) and it tells you how to add to your repos
[02:14] <wolferine> you probably dont have them all added, so you can get amsn
[02:15] <voorhees86> ok
[02:15] <voorhees86> thanks , i gonna see
[02:15] <wolferine> yeah
[02:15] <wolferine> add to your repos, do an update
[02:15] <wolferine> then search for it
[02:16] <scrubb> how does one start, quit, and restart the X server?
[02:16] <cskj> hey how do i start kdm??
[02:16] <wolferine> scrubb, ctrl-alt-backspace
[02:16] <Sanne> scrubb: you can search for a package that provides a certain file at packages.ubuntu.com in section "search the contents of packages"
[02:17] <wolferine> cskj, you have it installed?
[02:17] <cskj> i think so
[02:17] <word> cskj: as root /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:17] <cskj> lemme check
[02:17] <wolferine> cskj, new install?
[02:17] <ratshell> to start kdm from the gnome, ctrl alt f1, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:17] <cskj> no
[02:17] <scrubb> sanne, thanks.
[02:17] <scrubb> wolferine, thanks.
[02:17] <Sanne> scrubb: you're welcome
[02:17] <cskj> it's not a new install
[02:17] <wolferine> cskj, just did an update?
[02:17] <wolferine> np scrubb
[02:17] <cskj> since i installed kubuntu i've neva used it or anything
[02:18] <wolferine> cskj, when you login, you can select either Gnome or KDE now
[02:18] <word> are you in console on kubuntu right now or in the gui? :-/
[02:18] <cskj> in the gui
[02:18] <word> then you are probably already in kdm
[02:18] <wolferine> cskj, so you can logout, then look at the menu, you will find it there
[02:18] <cskj> i have been trying to tweak my login manager
[02:18] <cskj> but none of my changes work
[02:19] <jhutchins> pieman: Still around?
[02:19] <cskj> lemme log out n try
[02:19] <pieman> jhutchines, yes
[02:19] <wolferine> cskj, ctrl-alt-backspace is a fast way to log
[02:20] <wolferine> hey jhutchins :)
[02:20] <cskj> yea
[02:21] <jhutchins> I had a system that did what pieman was looking for, I think there's a script in the diald howto that has an example.
[02:21] <jhutchins> Ah, there you are.
[02:21] <jhutchins> pieman: I ran into a bit of trouble with it, I was uploading the IP to a DEC VAX system with ulimited version retension.
[02:21] <jhutchins> pieman: Every fifteen minutes.
[02:22] <jhutchins> Or was it five?
[02:22] <pieman> jhutchins...most of that went right over my head! lol
[02:22] <Tm_T> ratshell: hmm, you're adverting your channel here? sorta stealing "clients"? =)
[02:23] <cskj> hey guys no luck
[02:23] <cskj> the changes haven't occured
[02:23] <clownius> Is anyone here able to help with a kernel compile?
[02:23] <clownius> Im trying to save my current Feisty install
[02:23] <cskj> the login manager looks no different
[02:23] <clownius> can only boot live CD
[02:23] <jhutchins> pieman: http://tldp.org - lots of good stuff.  It's not in the diald howto after all though, still looking.
[02:26] <hitmanWilly> clownius: ok, are you on the live cd right now?
[02:26] <clownius> Im happy to go through a kernel compile but i needed to boot from live CD and i need the kernel for the install on my hard disk
[02:26] <clownius> yeah on live CD
[02:26] <hitmanWilly> clownius: is your hdd mounted anywhere?
[02:26] <clownius> doubt it i only just fired up
[02:27] <clownius> so mount it
[02:27] <hitmanWilly> clownius: yes, we may not have to compile one
[02:27] <hitmanWilly> clownius, do you know how tho chroot?
[02:28] <hitmanWilly> *to
[02:28] <clownius> i have the page up trying to do it now
[02:28] <hitmanWilly> clownius: ok, ill talk you through it
[02:29] <cskj> ok while his prob is being fixed
[02:29] <cskj> can anyone help me with mine
[02:29] <clownius> ty
[02:29] <hitmanWilly> clownius: first mount your hdd
[02:29] <cskj> i cannot get the changes i set to my login manager to work
[02:29] <pieman> jhutchins, that tldp.org link looks great for future ref. Don't worry about this thing, I've think i've worked out how i can do it...
[02:29] <cskj> they are applied, but they don't show up and they don't change
[02:30] <hitmanWilly> clownius: next, "sudo chroot <wherever you mounted your hdd>"
[02:31] <clownius> done
[02:31] <hitmanWilly> clownius, now, apt-cache search linux-image
[02:31] <K-Ryan> !svn
[02:31] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[02:32] <clownius> done
[02:32] <hitmanWilly> clownius, what came up on the search?
[02:32] <clownius> About 100 lines
[02:33] <clownius> anything in particular i should look for
[02:33] <BluesKaj> what is an open-source revision control system.... ? As if that makes it any clearer .. :(
[02:33] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, are you using edgy or feisty?
[02:33] <clownius> started as edgy is fiesty now
[02:34] <K-Ryan> Hey guys I'm trying to "sudo apt-get install subversion"
[02:34] <hitmanWilly> clownius, ok, easy then, sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[02:34] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: and?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> I'm coming up with an error message of "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[02:34] <K-Ryan> Tips?
[02:34] <clownius> Says i already got it
[02:34] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: well, have adept or any related running?
[02:35] <K-Ryan> No, but Adept crashed before
[02:35] <K-Ryan> Maybe I should try running that big long command that I can't remember
[02:35] <hitmanWilly> clownius, ok sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[02:35] <K-Ryan> !adeptcrash
[02:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptcrash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:35] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: that might explain, do "fuser var/lib/dpkg/"
[02:35] <K-Ryan> Hmm, what was it...
[02:36] <Tm_T> whops
[02:36] <voorhees86> the front painel(mic, headfone out) of my laptop dosent work
[02:36] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: do "fuser /var/lib/dpkg/"
[02:36] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: does return something?
[02:36] <K-Ryan> Nada
[02:36] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:36] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: try again with apt-get
[02:36] <clownius> other than this everything else looks ok
[02:36] <K-Ryan> Same thing
[02:36] <clownius> Your /etc/kernel-img.conf needs to be updated. Read grub's NEWS.Debian[1] 
[02:37] <clownius> file and follow its instructions.
[02:37] <clownius>  1. /usr/share/doc/grub/NEWS.Debian.gz
[02:37] <clownius> You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead!
[02:37] <cskj> can i have some help pleez
[02:37] <K-Ryan> cskj, let us know what your problem is and we can help.
[02:37] <ubuntu> is there a way to load beryl onto kubuntu
[02:37] <Tm_T> clownius: ignore, or do changes explained in that document
[02:37] <K-Ryan> !beryl | ubuntu
[02:37] <ubotu> ubuntu: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:37] <voorhees86> the front painel(mic, headfone out) of my laptop dosent work, somebody can help me?
[02:37] <cskj> i cannot get the changes to my login manager to work
[02:37] <hitmanWilly> clownius, sudo apt-get update grub
[02:37] <Tm_T> clownius: also, use pastebin
[02:37] <clownius> sorry guys
[02:37] <ratshell> TO THE ROOM. IF YOU NEED HELP WITH UBUNTU COME TO #ubuntuhelp, we will help you will all your ubuntu questions
[02:38] <gnomefreak> too slow Tm_T :)
[02:38] <hitmanWilly> TY!!!
[02:38] <K-Ryan> Why'd he get a ban? Just curious.
[02:38] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: spamming
[02:39] <K-Ryan> One message? Or was he doing it before I was here?
[02:39] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan, you weren't here earlier with that guy, were you?
[02:39] <K-Ryan> Guess not
[02:39] <BluesKaj> he's a pita ...yelling and being obnoxious
[02:39] <K-Ryan> No biggie, just curious.
[02:39] <K-Ryan> Okay, back to my problem then =)
[02:39] <K-Ryan> Same issue while trying to apt-get it
[02:39] <cskj> can't anyone help me with my login manager problems??
[02:40] <clownius> hmm im not having any luck there but thanks for trying
[02:40] <clownius> i might just try a fresh compile from source
[02:40] <clownius> i had to do that for new hardware once lol
[02:40] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: bah, any chance to relogin?
[02:40] <K-Ryan> Might as well, brb
[02:40] <K-Ryan> Help cskj out in the meantime
[02:40] <Tm_T> cskj: yes?
[02:41] <cskj> i cannot get any of my changes to the login manager to work
[02:41] <clownius> in that chroot i can compile a kernel for use in it right?
[02:42] <Tm_T> cskj: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdm" and it ask if you like to use gdm or kdm
[02:42] <hitmanWilly> clownius, yes you can here's a very helpful website on the subject http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[02:42] <cskj> ok
[02:42] <BluesKaj> geez , you can upgrade the kernel wit adept if you want
[02:42] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: luck?
[02:42] <K-Ryan> Zip
[02:42] <clownius> ty
[02:42] <K-Ryan> Same problem
[02:42] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: ...
[02:42] <K-Ryan> I have Konversation, Konqueror, and the terminal running
[02:43] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: I'm out of ideas, search for howto OR just restart whole system :(
[02:43] <K-Ryan> What's that big long command to terminate adept after it crashes and you cant get it to run again?
[02:43] <word> Errmm...I get this error - "BOGUS LENGTH in write keyboard desc, expected 5840, got 5844" and then x crashes...anyone know what could be wrong?
[02:43] <hitmanWilly> clownius, just remember, the only place you're chrooted is inside that terminal window
[02:44] <TheDebugger> Is there anything for kubuntu to delete history, password, Recently Accessed files etc? ( Like in suse.. )
[02:44] <TheDebugger> ( All at the same time, same place )
[02:44] <cskj> tm t: it did not ask if i would like to use gdm or kdm it just went back to an empty command line
[02:45] <voorhees86> the front painel(mic, headfone out) of my laptop dosent work, somebody can help me?
[02:51] <cskj> Tm_T doesn't look like it's working
[02:52] <Tm_T> strange
[02:52] <Tm_T> cskj: maybe then you only have KDM
[02:52] <cskj> shud i have gdm also??
[02:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought they were mutually exclusive
[02:53] <Tm_T> cskj: no, but err, what exactly you are trying to do?
[02:54] <cskj> i am trying ro list all the users at my login screen
[02:54] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: you can have both installed, but they do the same job
[02:54] <cskj> with the pics etc
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> try to install kdm, it uninstalls gdm (and vice versa)
[02:54] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: doesn't uninstall :p
[02:55] <Tm_T> cskj: well, you need some kdm control stuff, wait
[02:55] <cskj> ok
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[02:55] <Tm_T> cskj: install kcontrol-kdmtheme kdmtheme
[02:56] <cskj> ok
[02:56] <cskj> could i find that in adept?
[02:56] <Tm_T> cskj: should
[02:56] <cskj> or would i have to use apt-get??
[02:56] <cskj> ohh ok
[02:56] <cskj> ty
[02:56] <Tm_T> cskj: both works
[02:57] <cskj> just wondering cus i already have adpet open
[02:57] <Tm_T> cskj: after that, open kcontrol and go to system part and there, disable kdm theme, or select one that shows userlis (no idea which one does)
[02:57] <wolferine> anyone have their sound working in VMware?
[02:57] <Tm_T> cskj: without kdm theme, you can set kdm login screen in other part there
[02:58] <Ace2016> Hi all
[02:58] <K-Ryan> !quake
[02:58] <ubotu> Quake runs natively under Ubuntu - See http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/ for details
[02:58] <K-Ryan> !quake3
[02:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quake3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:58] <K-Ryan> man...
[02:58] <wolferine> !doom
[02:58] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[02:58] <wolferine> :)
[02:58] <cskj> ok thanx Tm_T
[02:58] <hitmanWilly> id rocks
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> at least they port their stuff
[02:59] <Tm_T> Enemy Territory is fun
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> that's still in beta, right?
[02:59] <K-Ryan> Does anyone want to help me install Quake 3? =)
[02:59] <Ace2016> i have a mouse with a ball instead of a scroll wheel, but i can only scroll forward and backwards with it, rolling the ball eft and right does nothing
[02:59] <Ace2016> can someone help me fix this
[03:00] <Ace2016> its new
[03:00] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan, gogle loki installers
[03:00] <hitmanWilly> *google
[03:00] <Ace2016> on the bottom it says 8d scroll ball optical mouse
[03:00] <K-Ryan> loki?
[03:00] <cskj> ok installed them
[03:00] <cskj> brb
[03:00] <K-Ryan> Okay
[03:00] <hitmanWilly> they make and distribute linux game installers
[03:00] <K-Ryan> Ace2016 have you taken the ball out and checked the little spinny things in the mouse to make sure the ball was hitting those?
[03:01] <Ace2016> K-Ryan: no no, when i move it forwards/backwards it scrolls up and down, and when i roll it right/left it scrolls up and down but very fast, i want to change left/right into left and right scrolling
[03:02] <K-Ryan> Oh, so left and right does work.
[03:02] <Ace2016> sorry i just realised what the left/right did, i just got the mouse
[03:02] <K-Ryan> Just the wrong way
[03:02] <Ace2016> yea just need to map it somehow
[03:02] <K-Ryan> Hmm
[03:02] <K-Ryan> I'll take a look around for you, give me a sec.
[03:02] <carutsu> Scuse me how do i erase a list of recently used files?
[03:03] <Ace2016> K-Ryan: Thanks
[03:03] <Ace2016> carutsu: in kcontrol
[03:03] <carutsu> Ace2016:oh, let me see, thanks
[03:03] <K-Ryan> Have you tried the mouse in any other OS?
[03:03] <Ace2016> carutsu: kcontrol > security and privacy > privacy
[03:04] <Ace2016> carutsu: then delete what you want
[03:04] <Ace2016> K-Ryan: i'll go check
[03:04] <carutsu> Ace2016: i found it thank you
[03:04] <cskj> hey Tm_T theme manager worked...but the user list and pictures still aren;t coming up
[03:05] <madmike> lalala
[03:05] <Rayhale> Hello, I wonder are will Beryl work on kubuntu? (sorry, I'm newbie to Linux)
[03:06] <clownius> It worked without -14 kernel everything works again :)
[03:07] <clownius> rayhale my experience says no
[03:07] <Rayhale> alright thanks Clown.
[03:07] <clownius> i installed the packages but nothing happened
[03:07] <clownius> but i may not have configured right or something
[03:07] <Rayhale> I see.. neverless, thank you.
[03:08] <BluesKaj> Rayhale, beryl depends your graphics card and drivers
[03:08] <K-Ryan> Beryl does work in Kubuntu
[03:08] <K-Ryan> !beryl | Rayhale
[03:08] <ubotu> Rayhale: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:08] <Rayhale> Alright, Thanks Ryan
[03:09] <wolferine> anyone have their sound working in VMware?
[03:09] <cskj> hey Tm_T u there??
[03:09] <hitmanWilly> clownius: away for a minute, everything working?
[03:10] <clownius> all back and perfect again
[03:10] <clownius> lot less painfull than a kernel compile
[03:10] <hitmanWilly> i knew it was that 14 kernel
[03:10] <clownius> so did i lol but fix it was beyond me
[03:11] <hitmanWilly> the chroot trick has saved me more than once
[03:11] <clownius> its one i shall remember
[03:11] <clownius> I love Live Cd's now
[03:11] <BluesKaj> hitmanWilly, what chroot trick ?
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, chrooting to your hdd from a live cd
[03:12] <BluesKaj> i see, what's the command , si can recoed it in my list here
[03:12] <BluesKaj> record it
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, sudo chroot <hdd mount point>
[03:13] <jodas> Hello I need help.
[03:13] <BluesKaj> mountpoint ?
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, you can even use that to run a 32 bit environment inside a 64 bit os, for flash and stuff
[03:13] <jodas> I would like to know how to log on as root.
[03:14] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, mount the hdd and chroot into it
[03:14] <clownius> why do you want to jodas? try sudo instead
[03:14] <Ace2016> K-Ryan: xp won't boot, i have problems with it, can't reinstall it now
[03:14] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:14] <jodas> I cannot delete thing out of the root/desktop folder.
[03:15] <jodas> Even when I use sudo I cannot.
[03:15] <clownius> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:15] <clownius> ok odd
[03:15] <jodas> Ubuntu
[03:15] <jodas> Well Edubuntu
[03:15] <clownius> i dont have a root/desktop
[03:15] <jodas> But the people in that chat will not help at all.
[03:15] <clownius> no can help
[03:16] <clownius> logining in as root is generally a very bad idea
[03:16] <jodas> Well how do you log in as root?
[03:16] <Ace2016> didn't think you can delete the desktop folder
[03:17] <jodas> No the stuff that is inside the folder.
[03:17] <jodas> I have 38 MB of stuff that was downloaded there that I do not need anymore.
[03:17] <jodas> And it will not let me delete it.
[03:17] <BluesKaj> hitmanWilly, how did  the chroot trick help you ...what was the situation ?
[03:18] <jodas> So how do I log in as root?
[03:18] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, clownius had a bad kernel so it wouldn't boot, booted off the live cd chrooted to the hdd, purged the old one, installed the updated on through apt
[03:19] <BluesKaj> ok cool , thx
[03:19] <noxwayxhome> how do i get grub back if i installed windows
[03:20] <noxwayxhome> jodas you dont login as root
[03:20] <Ace2016> noxwayxhome: i also wish to know that
[03:20] <Ace2016> how do you get grub back if you install windows
[03:20] <noxwayxhome> i found an artical but i cant find where it is now
[03:20] <hitmanWilly> jodas, the desktop folder is under ~/.desktop, go there through the command line and delete them using sudo
[03:20] <hitmanWilly> !grub
[03:20] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, Ace2016 see above
[03:21] <noxwayxhome> hitman thanks
[03:22] <hitmanWilly> np
[03:22] <jodas> Wrong one.
[03:22] <jodas> It does not work.
[03:22] <jodas> Says no such file or directory.
[03:22] <jodas> I even tried to sudo it and it still did not work.
[03:23] <hitmanWilly> !desktop
[03:23] <ubotu> The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are Gnome (ubuntu-desktop), KDE (kubuntu-desktop), Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM  and others.
[03:24] <jodas> Wrong desktop.
[03:24] <jodas> Go under system files and click on root.
[03:24] <jodas> Then click on desktop.
[03:24] <jodas> Not the first desktop but the one under root.
[03:24] <noxwayxhome> jodas do you want to have root power type in "sudo su"
[03:25] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, didn't know that worked
[03:25] <noxwayxhome> this will give you terminal root for as long as the terminal is open
[03:25] <kristjan> anyone got geforce go6200 here?
[03:25] <jodas> Cannot move "/root/Deskt...3(3).tar.gz" to the trash because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder.
[03:25] <jodas> That is what I get.
[03:26] <noxwayxhome> but warning that any programs that you run will be in root
[03:26] <jodas> Cannot move "/root/Deskt...3(3).tar.gz" to the trash because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder.
[03:26] <jodas> Cannot move "/root/Deskt...3(3).tar.gz" to the trash because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder.
[03:26] <noxwayxhome> jodas go into the terminal and type in sudo your file manager
[03:26] <jodas> That is what I get.
[03:27] <jodas> Ok
[03:27] <jodas> Typed in sudo
[03:27] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: I found a bug in the latest kernel update tonight.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15892/
[03:28] <HaSH> !iso
[03:28] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[03:28] <noxwayxhome> jodas
[03:28] <noxwayxhome> one min
[03:29] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, saw that one too, don't think its really a bug so much as no grub update yet
[03:29] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: should I run it manually?
[03:29] <noxwayxhome> jodas type in sudo Konqueror and the try to do what you want then
[03:29] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, back it up and try it out
[03:29] <noxwayxhome> a window will open with root power
[03:29] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: LOL love it.
[03:30] <jodas> Says command not found
[03:30] <terrestre> someone knows how to change to another theme on kubuntu?
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> the konq cmd's all lower
[03:30] <wolferine> anyone have their sound working in VMware?
[03:30] <Ace2016> could i just use boot sector virus protection in bios, doesn't taht stop the mbr from being overwritten?
[03:30] <jodas> Says the same thig.
[03:30] <BluesKaj> terrestre, sytem settings/appearance
[03:30] <noxwayxhome> terreste your best bet is to use beryl with emereld theme changer
[03:31] <Schuenemann> which tool can I use the extract the image of a protected CD?
[03:31] <noxwayxhome> jodas i dont know what to tell you sorry man have no idea
[03:31] <BluesKaj> K9 copy. Schuenemann
[03:31] <jodas> I have edubuntu
[03:31] <Schuenemann> !k9
[03:31] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:32] <jodas> I do not really see a difference.
[03:32] <terrestre> BluesKaj: ok, im on that menu, but i dont find anything
[03:32] <Hasta-la-Vista> :)
[03:32] <jodas> But the edubuntu chat does not help because no  one in there will talk.
[03:32] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, works for CDs too?
[03:32] <BluesKaj> terrestre, are in beryl or kde ?
[03:33] <terrestre> BluesKaj: in kde
[03:33] <pollyo> jodas: Does edubuntu use gnome?
[03:33] <terrestre> i know that is a selly question, but i dont find anything, i tried to install a .kth file, but i dont know were it was installed
[03:33] <ubuntu> hola como estan
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, try soundkonverter for cds
[03:34] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, its in kcontrol
[03:34] <Schuenemann> ugh, I'm already downloading k9copy
[03:34] <c0ldfr3ak> help
[03:34] <pollyo> Anyone try phpgedview?
[03:34] <terrestre> hitmanWilly: theres no, kcontrol on kubuntu feisty, at least in katapult, its nothing
[03:34] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, it's not for sound CDs, I want to extract the CD ISO
[03:34] <c0ldfr3ak> i tried installing ubuntu 6.10 and it says theres a sync error
[03:34] <Schuenemann> any CD
[03:34] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, try running it through konsole
[03:34] <terrestre> and sorry for my english jajaja
[03:35] <BluesKaj> acetoneiso ..it's here :http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=44805
[03:35] <pollyo> Anyone know what the following error message would be caused by: -24 DB Error: connect failed
[03:35] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, what were you running?
[03:35] <carl> pollyo more info on what you were doing when you got this error would help
[03:36] <pollyo> I'm getting it on phpgedview
[03:36] <hitmanWilly> !info phpgedview
[03:36] <ubotu> Package phpgedview does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[03:36] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I'm running phpgedview it is a genealogy php application
[03:36] <noxwayxhome> anyone know of any good linux distos that will make a killer media server
[03:36] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, oh, ok
[03:36] <c0ldfr3ak> I downloaded Ubuntu 6.10 last night and i burned it to a CD today... when I tried to run the CD it said "sync error with the cd
[03:36] <c0ldfr3ak> "
[03:36] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, maybe a firewall problem?
[03:37] <carl> Bad CD? c0ld ? bad ISO maybe?
[03:37] <c0ldfr3ak> then something about anci or anpi... acpi maybe... something like that...
[03:37] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: Its on my apache2 server on my machine.
[03:37] <terrestre> hitmanWilly: , ok, its kcontrol on konsole, and now im on themes and style(muy kubuntu its in spanish) I see style, and widget style, but theme, i dont see that
[03:37] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I'm thinking it might be missing a mod for db or something in apache.
[03:37] <c0ldfr3ak> what should i use to burn the CD and what settings?
[03:37] <noxwayxhome> c0ld try to burn it at a lower speed i had the same problem a few weeks
[03:37] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, apt-get ktheme
[03:37] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I do not know enough about the subject.
[03:38] <shawn34> how do i turn off single click in konqueror?
[03:38] <c0ldfr3ak> (noxwayxhome) thank you
[03:38] <carl> !info amarok
[03:38] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 14370 kB, installed size 31288 kB
[03:38] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, unfortunately, neither do i :)
[03:38] <anandanbu> does any one know how to install themes in Kubuntu
[03:38] <noxwayxhome> c0ld np man hope it works
[03:38] <K-Ryan> anandanbu: Yes
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Go to system settings>appearance
[03:39] <anandanbu> how do i ,i have downloaded the packages from the kde-look.org
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Go to that menu, click "Import Scheme"
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Find the file, and apply
[03:39] <shawn34> how do i turn off single click in konqueror?
[03:40] <anandanbu> ok
[03:40] <c0ldfr3ak> (noxwayxhome) i can only burn at 48x
[03:40] <anandanbu> then what am i supposed to do
[03:40] <shawn34> anyone know?
[03:41] <K-Ryan> What are you stuck at anandanbu?
[03:41] <BluesKaj> shawn34, system settings/keyboard and mouse
[03:42] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, are you sure acetoneIso can do it with a protected CD?
[03:42] <shawn34> BluesKaj: thank you
[03:43] <noxwayxhome> cold well hmmm
[03:43] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, I just installed a game that uses a .i386 to start the game up, however it pops up with an "open with" menu when I try to run it.
[03:43] <K-Ryan> Tips?
[03:43] <noxwayxhome> c0ld hmmm
[03:43] <noxwayxhome> what program are you using c0ld
[03:45] <K-Ryan> Anyone?
[03:45] <noxwayxhome> what game is it
[03:45] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, not sure ... i haven't tried that yet ... surely there is one utility that does what you need
[03:45] <K-Ryan> Urban Terror, mod for quake 3
[03:45] <K-Ryan> turned standalone
[03:46] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan, try changing the perms to executable
[03:46] <Schuenemann> ok, I'll try it if I don't find another
[03:46] <K-Ryan> perms?
[03:46] <K-Ryan> Never mind
[03:46] <terrestre> !ktheme
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktheme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, sorry, wrong package name, it should be under kcontrol under theme manager
[03:47] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, unless it's a kdm theme you want to install
[03:47] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, i was thinking of kdmtheme
[03:48] <noxwayxhome> dos any one know how i can connected to a windows shared folder
[03:49] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, samba
[03:49] <hitmanWilly> !samba | noxwayxhome
[03:49] <ubotu> noxwayxhome: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:49] <noxwayxhome> i know that but what is the command line hit man lol
[03:49] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, sorry, i default to newbie mode in here
[03:49] <jtt> can anyone tell me how i force apt-get (from the command line not from sources.list) to get  a package from feisty area only
[03:50] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, just mount it as a smbfs
[03:50] <terrestre> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Thinking+about+blue?content=26392 <----- that one hitmanWilly.. i dont found kdmtheme either, im pretty new of kde
[03:50] <noxwayxhome> thank you forgot
[03:50] <gamerguy> wtf
[03:50] <noxwayxhome> and no problem hitman i can understand
[03:50] <gamerguy> i can't use bloody tux as my name anymore
[03:50] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, cool :)
[03:51] <hitmanWilly> gamerguy, someone register it?
[03:51] <terrestre> actually i did the right click install theme, to the .kth file, but nothing happend, and i still cant find the theme manager on kcontrol
[03:51] <gamerguy> no, i was using it earlier today
[03:51] <Bloodytux> there
[03:51] <dirgedoll> Hello
[03:51] <Bloodytux> brb
[03:52] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, Appearance and Themes -> Theme Manager
[03:52] <dirgedoll> do you have to do anything special after you set up a wireless internet card, or can you just use it? Thanks.
[03:53] <hitmanWilly> dirgedoll, aside from inputing any network keys, i wouldn't think so
[03:54] <dirgedoll> ok cool
[03:54] <chemicalvamp> where can i go to see a list of updates for feisty?
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> !feisty
[03:54] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[03:54] <flaccid> chemicalvamp: adept_updater
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, probably the launchpad site
[03:55] <chemicalvamp> i got a wired connection, trying to get my wireless card to work
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, does it need a WPA key to connect?
[03:56] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, unfortunately it does not work =/
[03:56] <chemicalvamp> no
[03:56] <chemicalvamp> doesnt even see it
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> ahh, one of those
[03:56] <chemicalvamp> "no such device" or somehting like that
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> don't really know too much about wireless
[03:57] <chemicalvamp> worked on edgy PERFECZTLY
[03:57] <terrestre> hitmanWilly: , ooooh thanks, here the thing, in kcontrol of konsole, its was a theme manager ... but on system konfiguration on k menu, theres only appereance, desktop, splash, windows, and notifiaation,
[03:57] <bill__k> !wireless
[03:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:57] <terrestre> thanks :)
[03:57] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, someone once told me it was possible extracting the raw data. You know anything about it?
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, yeah, i use good old kcontrol 90% of the time anyway
[03:58] <terrestre> hitmanWilly: , thanks, i cant find it on katapult, i thaght there was no kcontrol on feisty
[03:58] <chemicalvamp> how is !wireless related to a bug in feisty bill__k
[03:58] <BluesKaj> no Schuenemann...sorry
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, its hidden, but its still there
[03:59] <bill__k> chemicalvamp, sorry, just wanted the link for myself :) it's the easiest way for me to find info for myself too
[04:00] <chemicalvamp> ohh hehe
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, maybe they didn't compile support for your card in the new kernels
[04:01] <chemicalvamp> i read that they used an older 'something' for feisty for some reason
[04:01] <chemicalvamp> older then edgy's
[04:01] <ranjan> probably alsa
[04:01] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, maybe there was an bug/exploit in the new 'whatever' that wasn't in the old one
[04:01] <terrestre> im used noe my new tab grey themes haha cool
[04:02] <chemicalvamp> i seen in launchpad that alot of people are having network related issues, so maybe theres an update out now
[04:03] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, i haven't noticed any network updates coming down the pipe lately, but maybe...
[04:03] <Bloodytux> back
[04:03] <chemicalvamp> last time i updated there wasnt, and i had to run off of a edgy cd and chroot to my feisty install ( along with alot of other things to get the internet to work)
[04:04] <Bloodytux> l
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, had to chroot a guy off the live cd earlier, -14 kernel issues
[04:05] <shawn34> can anyone help me in getting my wifi up?
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> that's 3
[04:06] <excitatory> with beryl/aiglx running, i cannot find the taskbar setting to only show applications from that desktop.
[04:06] <jtt> how can i force edgy installed system to pick up certain feisty packages using apt-get
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> excitatory, i think beryl disables that
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> jtt, well, you COULD add a couple of feisty repos to sources.list, but there's no guarantee they would work
[04:08] <excitatory> hitmanWilly, is there any way to change that?  isn't the point of multiple desktops to organize your desktop by not having so many windows in view, including taskbar clutter?
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> excitatory, it might be under beryl-manager somewhere
[04:08] <jtt> hitmanWilly: i tired that and they dont i also tried  apt-get install package=blahblah and it cant find the feisty package
[04:09] <jtt> blahblah=release number from feisty  packages listing
[04:09] <hitmanWilly> jtt, you might have to go to the actual website and download the debs
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> jtt, even then, they may not install if they're packaged for feisty
[04:10] <jtt> hitmanWilly: ok i figured that would be the next step was trying to avoid that because of the dependancys
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> jtt, do you have edgy-backports enabled?
[04:11] <jtt> hitmanWilly: no i will try that
[04:11] <terrestre> someone knows, how i can add programs to katapult? programs like kcontrol?
[04:11] <jtt> hitmanWilly: thanks
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> jtt, the backports repo should still be updated for another year or so
[04:12] <jtt> hitmanWilly: good that may be my out
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> jtt, trying to avoid the upgrade?
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> jtt, besides feisty got pushed back so edgy support should last even longer now
[04:13] <jtt> hitmanWilly: no i am traveling away from home and trying to create index  kde_application_manuals and  htdg package is the problem
[04:13] <Hasta-la-Vista> how far out?
[04:13] <terrestre> !katapult
[04:13] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[04:13] <jtt> hitmanWilly: so when did they push back feisty today
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> don't know, heard this secondhand
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> a couple of days ago
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> so its about slashdot level reliability
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> :)
[04:14] <jtt> hitmanWilly: interesting i saw some info on a big kernel bug though
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> jtt: the -14 kernel
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> jtt, had to walk a guy through fixing it today
[04:15] <jtt> hitmanWilly: yes i never booted it it only do the dailys and help testing group for iso testing  heno  pochu  etc.
[04:15] <jtt> hitmanWilly: but i havent been able to test for several days since i am on the road
[04:16] <noxwayxhome_> i have been trying to mount a windows share and it wont work can you see anything wrong with this command line
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> jtt, yeah, by the time i got around to updating that day they had already 403'd the site
[04:16] <jtt> hitmanWilly: i have seen that 403  what it it
[04:16] <noxwayxhome_> sudo mount -t smbfs //192.sfdgsdf/sfgsdf /media/windowsmountpointshare -o username=sfsfgsd,password=sdfgsfd
[04:16] <jtt> hitmanWilly: what does 403 mean
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> jtt, they blocked the site so people wouldn't update to it
[04:17] <jtt> hitmanWilly: ok 403 as in HTTP got it
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome_, drop the 192.
[04:17] <noxwayxhome_> brb
[04:17] <scrubb> Could someone tell me if there's some kind of diagnostic tool for ethernet adaptors?
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, ifconfig?
[04:18] <jtt> hitmanWilly: thanks for the info i will go and try backports later
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> np
[04:19] <scrubb> if = interface?
[04:19] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, i found one that is very popular and useful, "cdparanoia"
[04:19] <Bloodytux> bbl i'm upgrading kde to 3.5.6
[04:20] <peepsalot> what is the difference between a shell and a console?
[04:22] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  a shell interacts with the kernel.  A console interacts with the shell.
[04:22] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, hmmm... I already have it installed... let me try
[04:23] <compilerwriter> peepsalot: if you are talking about using the konsole terminal it will get you a window in which you have an interactive shell to do commandline stuff.
[04:24] <peepsalot> compilerwriter, so I have this Applet in my KDE menu called "Terminal Sessions" and it has a menu which includes(among other things) "Shell" and "Linux Console"
[04:24] <compilerwriter> peepsalot: Did that help, or confuse you.
[04:24] <shawn34> anyone have time to help me get my wifi up?
[04:24] <peepsalot> aren't those basically the same?  they both load konsole
[04:25] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  It, in general, makes little difference which you use.  But in some instances you need to do things from the Linux Console.
[04:26] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, appearently it's just for audio cds
[04:26] <peepsalot> but doesn't the "Linux Console" run a shell(bash) also
[04:26] <peepsalot> i just don't understand why they are two separate choices
[04:26] <compilerwriter> Yes it runs a shell, dash, probably.
[04:26] <pacman> Can anyone help me with a couple of devices?  I think I need drivers, but I don't know where I can find them
[04:27] <shawn34> i've had it working with ease before i reinstalled with kde, was on gnome now its an issue for some reason
[04:27] <peepsalot> in what cases would I need the "Linux Console" over a "Shell"
[04:27] <compilerwriter> Well like I said earlier, peepsalot,  It, in general, makes little difference which you use.  But in some instances you need to do things from the Linux Console.
[04:27] <shawn34> wifi drivers installed via ndiswrapper utility, and i can see the card via iwconfig
[04:27] <shawn34> i just can't bring enable it
[04:27] <shawn34> can't enable*
[04:28] <Iwonder|too> shawn34: can you ifconfig  <card> <ip>
[04:28] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  There is also the fact that my default, because I so choose, interactive shell is zsh.  If I were to choose the Console I would likely get dash.
[04:30] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  I was just able to confirm it.  I get two seperate shells when I choose the two different options.
[04:31] <mikey> any superkaramba users?  wondering where the .themes are kep by default
[04:31] <Desperado> someone uses latex?
[04:31] <pacman> Can anyone help me with a couple of devices?  I think I need drivers, but I don't know where I can find them
[04:32] <Iwonder|too> pacman: what devices?
[04:32] <Desperado> what devices do you refer?
[04:32] <compilerwriter> So peepsalot:  It allows for some flexibility on the users part.  Some of us most often work in one shell or another, but we occaisionally need to run a bash shell script.  The choices give us that option.
[04:32] <pacman> one of them is a webcam, but I don't know the brand...I've had it since before I went to Kubuntu
[04:33] <Iwonder|too> pacman: lsusb
[04:33] <pacman> I take that back, it's a Dynex
[04:33] <compilerwriter> Clear as mud, peepsalot?
[04:33] <pacman> lsub?
[04:34] <pacman> err lsusb?
[04:34] <peepsalot> heh, that helps some thanks compilerwriter
[04:34] <Iwonder|too> lsusb in console,taking for granted your webcam is usb interface
[04:35] <Iwonder|too> it should show device info to help figure out what module is needed
[04:35] <peepsalot> compilerwriter, where do you specify your zsh shell?
[04:35] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, does k3B have a plugin to copy protected data ...I'm not sure ..does any one know ?
[04:36] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, I have realized k3b 1.0 was released but the repositories still have 0.12 as the later version
[04:36] <pacman> wonder...it's not showing up
[04:36] <joooooooe> hi what package carries kwikdisk?
[04:36] <Iwonder|too> protected data?
[04:36] <compilerwriter> Knowing some history might help you better understand peepsalot.  Back in the day before bash, sh kind of sucked.  No I take that back it swallowed.  So there were shells that were invented like the csh, tcsh, zsh, ksh, etc.  They had neat features that sh didn't have.  Well some of us kept using whatever shell we got comfortable with, when bash came along and added most of those neat features to sh.
[04:36] <Schuenemann> protected cd
[04:37] <Iwonder|too> pacman: try google the model number + ubuntu
[04:37] <compilerwriter> Ah hell peepsalot, I did it so long ago I just don't remember.  Give me a second to think on it.  I may remember in short order.  That or you may find it before I remember.
[04:38] <compilerwriter> !shell
[04:38] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[04:38] <joooooooe> pacman: Trying to ri[ a cd?
[04:38] <peepsalot> !console
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about console - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <peepsalot> heh
[04:38] <mikey> !superkarumba
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about superkarumba - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <pacman> trying to find out what model webcam I have, so I can get the right driver
[04:38] <joooooooe> what package carries kwikdisk?
[04:38] <Schuenemann> joooooooe, I'm trying to copy a protected cd, yes
[04:39] <joooooooe> open konqueror
[04:39] <joooooooe> then go to
[04:39] <joooooooe> audio:/
[04:39] <joooooooe> I've ripped all of my cds from there
[04:39] <joooooooe> even sony infected cds
[04:39] <Schuenemann> I don't have that file/folder
[04:39] <_chocobo> Hey so I am using FreeNX and it works perfectly when i conenct from a local machine but not when i connect from another remote place
[04:39] <Iwonder|too> Schuenemann: k3b doesn't care about copyrights and such like nero
[04:40] <_chocobo> Do i need to foward port 22?
[04:40] <Schuenemann> Iwonder|too, does that mean k3b can do it?
[04:40] <joooooooe> what package carries kwikdisk, anyone?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> !repeat | joooooooe
[04:40] <ubotu> joooooooe: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[04:40] <compilerwriter> !login shell
[04:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about login shell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:40] <Hobbsee> joooooooe: probably kdebase
[04:41] <dirgedoll> !patience
[04:41] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:41] <dirgedoll> heh
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> joooooooe, kdf
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> joooooooe, kdf has kwikdisk
[04:42] <_chocobo> Anybody knwo if i need to foward the port
[04:42] <Schuenemann> someone once told me I could do it copying the raw data
[04:42] <Schuenemann> but I can't remember who was it or what he said
[04:42] <joooooooe> hmm not showing up
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> joooooooe, edgy?
[04:42] <joooooooe> pacman: any luck?
[04:42] <joooooooe> Daper
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> joooooooe, don't know for that one
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> !find | kwikdisk
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about find - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <compilerwriter> Folks don't we specify our default shell in /etc/password or some such?
[04:43] <joooooooe> hitmanWilly: thanks anyway
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> !kwikdisk
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwikdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> !search | kwikdisk
[04:43] <ubotu> Found: wink, sources.list-#ubuntu-effects, away, forkbomb, editors, keys-#ubuntu-effects, xubuntu-channels, fluxbuntu, xubuntu
[04:44] <joooooooe> thanks anyway
[04:44] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, it could be the cmnd line "cdrdao".. check it out
[04:44] <joooooooe> it seems if its not part of kdebase, it was taken out
[04:44] <joooooooe> bad move
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> compilerwriter, for individual users, yes, but /bin/sh always links to system default
[04:45] <compilerwriter> Thanks hitmanWilly
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> np
[04:45] <BluesKaj> !cdrdao
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrdao - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <compilerwriter> peepsalot: have you learned how to edit with nano, vi, or emacs, yet?k
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> compilerwriter, you can always del /bin/sh and link whatever you want there, though
[04:45] <joooooooe> nano is great
[04:46] <peepsalot> compilerwriter, yeah i have used nano for a while, learning a little vim.  don't care to try emacs
[04:46] <joooooooe> you can also use midnight commander to edit
[04:47] <bobleny> Hey, I have lamp installed on my computer. It works great! However, I have a php file that need to access and save files to the computer. The problem is, it doesn't have the right privlages. How do I allow the php file to save and change files on the computer?
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> emacs is a pita, yet extremely powerful
[04:47] <peepsalot> had Ubuntu for lil over a year now i think, but just installed kubuntu-desktop a couple days ago.  So i'm not a complete noob, :p
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, run it with sudo
[04:48] <noxwayxhome_> smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported when trying to mount windows share
[04:48] <compilerwriter> ok peepsalot what you need to do if you wish to change your default shell is to edit /etc/passwd.  You will find your login name on a line in that file.
[04:48] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, run what, the server?
[04:49] <peepsalot> ah, ok i see it compilerwriter
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, whatever app is accessing the php file
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> *running
[04:49] <bobleny> That would be the server
[04:49] <bobleny> How do I run it as root?
[04:49] <peepsalot> compilerwriter, do you really write compilers?
[04:49] <peepsalot> what kind?
[04:49] <compilerwriter> peepsalot: It will look like Your Name:gobbledy good: more gobbledy gook: still more gobbledy gook: and so forth: /bin/bash
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, hmmm, nevermind unless you want to run apache as root
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> heh
[04:50] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  change the /bin/bash AND ONLY THAT PART OF THE LINE  to /pathname of whatever shell you want to use.
[04:50] <bobleny> Well, is that the only way to do it?
[04:50] <noxwayxhome_> smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported when trying to mount windows share
[04:51] <compilerwriter> peepsalot it has been a long time since I wrote a compiler.
[04:51] <noxwayxhome_> what can i do
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, probably not, but server admin ain't exactly my strong suit
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> sorry :(
[04:52] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, do you think running apache as root every now and then a bad thing?
[04:52] <noxwayxhome_> hitman have any ideas
[04:52] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  For God sake be careful!  If you accidently change the password hash for your account you will be up a creek with a leeky canoe and no paddle.
[04:52] <noxwayxhome_> bobleny never run it as root
[04:52] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, I don't use apache as an external server. Only locally...
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, well, i don't know much about apache, but that seems to be a Very bad idea
[04:53] <peepsalot> heh, ok
[04:53] <peepsalot> thx for the help
[04:53] <noxwayxhome_> bobleny if it is local then do what ever you want
[04:53] <bobleny> lol
[04:53] <compilerwriter> peepsalot you will need to sudo nano that file.
[04:53] <bobleny> OK, how do I run apache as root?
[04:53] <peepsalot> i know
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, never seen that one before, what version of win are you running?
[04:54] <noxwayxhome_> hitmanWilly mount -t smbfs is sending me errers
[04:54] <noxwayxhome_> xp
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, standard ntfs file system?
[04:54] <noxwayxhome_> yes
[04:55] <noxwayxhome_> here is the command  i am using mount -t smbfs //servername/sharename /mountdirectory -o username=mywindowsusername,password=mywindowspassword
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome_, file and printer sharing IS enabled on the windows side, yes?
[04:55] <noxwayxhome_> fire wall is off
[04:56] <noxwayxhome_> and yes
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, i don't know, try googling the error, maybe?
[04:56] <noxwayxhome_> can i set up a way for the windos system to connect to me
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, yeah, it's actually pretty easy in KDE, more or less the same as in win
[04:58] <noxwayxhome_> hitmanWilly do you know of a guide to show me how thx for the help
[04:58] <Schuenemann> compilerwriter, did you write sun's jdk?
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> !samba
[04:58] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome_, try the above links
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome_, at least as a starting point
[05:02] <noxwayxhome_> hitmanWilly thx
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> np
[05:04] <Mys_Teri> Good evening everyone.  I'm hoping someone can direct me to somewhere online that I can get lessons/tutorials on Kubuntu.  I want to learn to do more than use Adept, Add and Remove Programs and type what others tell me into Terminal.
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> !wiki
[05:05] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, see above
[05:05] <Mys_Teri> Thank you I will look there then.
[05:06] <dr_willis> thers a great many web sites with bash tutorials.. and that "Using Bash" book by Orieally is great.
[05:06] <Medici> [dawson] , where are you from?
[05:07] <Mys_Teri> dr. willis  well I am still new to all of this so I am not even sure what bash is yet.  I got the Ubuntu bible and have looked around the forums for various issues and that has helped.
[05:08] <Dasnipa`> the ubuntu bible is hardly biblical
[05:08] <dr_willis> watch the bargin bins at the book stores.. :) old Linux books are great.
[05:08] <dr_willis> avoide any books with 'for idiots/dummies' in the title.
[05:08] <Schuenemann> general linux books are horrible
[05:08] <dr_willis> avoide the ones with lots of pictures also.
[05:09] <Schuenemann> you end up doing nothing with them
[05:09] <Dasnipa`> Schuenemann, or you learn the basic stuff that these books cover and have no use for them because the references become too basic
[05:10] <Mys_Teri> Dasnipa:  Well it has helped me, almost get my pocket pc sync'd.  I'm going to find a linux for Pocket PC's though and play with an old one.
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> heh, im in #windows right now, preaching to the heathen :)
[05:10] <Schuenemann> http://www.linux-books.us/
[05:11] <noxwayxhome_> hitmanWilly it was not installed smbclient was but no smbf
[05:12] <noxwayxhome_> lol
[05:12] <Mys_Teri> I've been preaching to my friends, most think I'm weird because I want to become Windows free.
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome_, problem solved :)
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> from the #windows channel:
 how can one linux outperform another?
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:13] <dr_willis> kernel optmizations.
[05:14] <abortd> whats a good program in linux for burning iso and bin images
[05:14] <dr_willis> or depends if you are sing the therm 'linux' to refer to a 'disrto' :) or a 'kernel'
[05:14] <noxwayxhome_> hitmanWilly i feel like a noob
[05:14] <noxwayxhome_> lol
[05:14] <dr_willis> k3b abortd  is THE kde app to use for that. :)
[05:14] <abortd> how abou gnome :
[05:14] <abortd> :)
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> and apparently EVERY distro is compiled completely from source on the user end
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> ignorance is sad :(
[05:15] <dr_willis> hitmanWilly,  i see more and more of it in here lately also.. :(
[05:15] <dr_willis> and lazyness
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> well, i can only take so much, that's enough #windows
[05:23] <shawn34> how can i get the 'drop down' konsole window by pressing the ~ key to work?
[05:23] <shawn34> by the way people, i have my wifi working lol ;p
[05:23] <shawn34> finally
[05:23] <dr_willis> shawn34,  thats that yakuake program i thought.
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> shawn34, install yakuake
[05:24] <shawn34> cool
[05:24] <shawn34> thanks
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> shawn34, and its f12, not ~
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> by the way, it rocks
[05:24] <dr_willis> i hate it :) lol
[05:24] <shawn34> dr_willis: y?
[05:24] <dr_willis> i alwyas got several konsoles open anyway
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> to each his own, i guess
[05:24] <dr_willis> so no need for one to pop down
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> i just like being able to jump to the CLI with one button
[05:25] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, how can I give apache full privliges to "/home/bob/Web Devolpment/Server/auto_saver/"?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, change the group owner of those directories to www or web or something like that
[05:28] <bobleny> Uh, what?
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, or just make your normal user account the owner with chown
[05:29] <shawn34> hitmanWilly: i love it
[05:29] <shawn34> too cool
[05:29] <jtt> bobleny: chown -R www-data www-data *
[05:29] <shawn34> easy access lol ;p
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, that's what i was looking for
[05:29] <jtt> bobleny: sorry  chown -R www-data:www-data *
[05:30] <joooooooe> google must think kubuntu is merging with mepis,
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> hitmanWilly, i think i lost IQ points in the #windows channel
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:31] <bobleny> sorry  chown -R www-data:www-data * with or with out the astrick?
[05:31] <jtt> bobleny: with the asterisk  that says  Every File
[05:32] <Hasta-la-Vista> joooooooe: say what??
[05:32] <bobleny> Oh
[05:32] <jtt> bobleny: make sure your are where you want to be before executing that with suso
[05:32] <jtt> suso=sudo sudo
[05:32] <jtt> not suso  sudo
[05:33] <bobleny> jtt, ok I'll try that.
[05:34] <joooooooe> Hasta-la-Vista: when I google for kdf for kubuntu, I get mepis stuff
[05:34] <scrubb> Could someone please help me get my network adaptor working?
[05:34] <joooooooe> kool nick by the way
[05:34] <shawn34> wow, im too used to firefox. i keep holding ctrl when i hit enter to auto add the www and .com
[05:34] <Hasta-la-Vista> lol, thx
[05:34] <shawn34> frustrating
[05:35] <joooooooe> scrubb:  still no luck?
[05:35] <scrubb> Nope.
[05:35] <scrubb> I can't even use ifconfig to bring it up.
[05:35] <joooooooe> damn
[05:35] <scrubb> it says "cannot assign the requested addressQ
[05:35] <Hasta-la-Vista> I tried mepis todat via vmware...
[05:35] <scrubb> er " not Q
[05:35] <scrubb> It's like I can't talk to eth0 even though it shows up.
[05:35] <joooooooe> this is BQ I'm assimilating another machine
[05:36] <Hasta-la-Vista> all the media stuff worked out of box, kinda impressed; but that is just built into it straight out
[05:36] <scrubb> I need help diagnosing the problem.
[05:36] <scrubb> But since I can't get to the internet while in linux, this is getting really frustrating.
[05:36] <joooooooe> open a root terminal
[05:36] <shawn34> scrubb: wifi or patch?
[05:36] <scrubb> patch
[05:36] <scrubb> How does one open a root terminal?  su?
[05:37] <shawn34> don't do that
[05:37] <shawn34> just use sudo
[05:37] <scrubb> But you have to type that for each command right?
[05:38] <shawn34> not really
[05:38] <shawn34> once you use it in a terminal session
[05:38] <Mys_Teri> So will a general linux getting started tutorial help or do more harm than good?
[05:38] <shawn34> it shouldn't ask for the pass again
[05:38] <scrubb> oh ok
[05:38] <shawn34> still use sudo though
[05:38] <dr_willis> Mys_Teri,  read, read, and read more.. :) slowly it all builds up and you figure it out.
[05:39] <scrubb> anyway, how do I go about figuring out what's wrong?
[05:39] <dr_willis> Mys_Teri,  read a few starter guides. then hit the hard core stuff you are interested in.
[05:39] <shawn34> Mys_Teri: i just dove in lol ;p im fine
[05:40] <Mys_Teri> dr_willis I understand that I'm just wondering when I spend money on things if I should go for Kubuntu/Ubuntu specific or if general Linux is better?
[05:41] <shawn34> that is "general linux" lol
[05:41] <shawn34> unless you don't want gui lol
[05:41] <dr_willis> Mys_Teri,  plenty of starter guides on the net for free.
[05:41] <scrubb2000> shawn?
[05:42] <Mys_Teri> Shawn: That's what I've been doing with much help from reading the forums etc.  I want to learn to write my own programs at some point.  I'd also like to know why doing the things that I found in forums helped.
[05:43] <Mys_Teri> I've always had a problem with wanting to know why something worked.
[05:44] <dr_willis> i took apart a dead hard drive the other day. :)
[05:44] <shawn34> shit
[05:44] <dr_willis> lots of neat bits in there.
[05:44] <shawn34> dr_willis: you running firefox or konqueror
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> ive been known to void a few warranties in my time :)
[05:44] <dr_willis> shawn34,  firefox mainly
[05:45] <shawn34> i had firefox on kde and the gui looked horrible
[05:45] <shawn34> whats with that
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, if you want just general linux info, the gentoo wiki is a great place to start
[05:45] <Mys_Teri> My husband has told me to please not to try to fix my kitchen appliances unless there is no other hope.
[05:46] <Mys_Teri> hitmanWilly:  I'll bookmark it.
[05:46] <scrubb2000> Shawn34, can you help or should I ask someone else?
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, also, o'reily makes a lot of great books, "linux in a nutshell" being my favorite
[05:47] <shawn34> im not the greatest when it comes to network config in linux
[05:47] <shawn34> im learning too lol
[05:47] <dr_willis> Yea.. anything By Oreially in the bargin bins gets grabbed up by me. :)
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, just be warned that ubuntu does a lot of stuff in non-standard ways
[05:47] <scrubb2000> oh
[05:47] <shawn34> sry
[05:47] <scrubb2000> hmm...
[05:47] <shawn34> scrubb2000: i've never had a problem patched in
[05:48] <shawn34> even if i fresh install with no net connection, then boot up patched in it works automatically
[05:48] <shawn34> so i never really had to trouble shoot it
[05:48] <kristjan> shawn34: install gnome-themes and choose in kcontrol under "gtk applications" a theme other than kde's
[05:48] <joooooooe> ok kdeutil,  is tthe package that carries kwikdisk, does ku have it?
[05:48] <shawn34> k
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, actually, the way i learn a lot of things is i'll see a command somewhere that i don't recoignize, and i'll look up exactly WHY it works
[05:48] <shawn34> kristjan: thanks
[05:49] <Mys_Teri> hitmanWilly: What is o'reillys full name please?
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, O'Reily books
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, it's a publishing company
[05:50] <shawn34> scrubb2000: how old is your pc
[05:50] <B4C> i m using kubunu 6.06
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, its ok, it happens to the best of us
[05:50] <B4C> i vcant dial through kppp
[05:52] <scrubb2000> brand spankin new.
[05:52] <scrubb2000> Which might be the problem?
[05:52] <scrubb2000> It's an nForce 680i chipset
[05:52] <purpleposeidon> Somehow, I got the menus to be on the top of the screen, but now I cant figure out how to get them back inside their windows....how do I do that?
[05:52] <B4C> when i dial, the pppd crashes
[05:52] <scrubb2000> the network adaptors are marvell, and I seem to remember linux having problems with those before, but I have no idea where that's at now.
[05:53] <dr_willis> heh.. its a setting.. somewhere purpleposeidon  - a check box - i forget where however.
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, asus motherboard?
[05:53] <purpleposeidon> dr_willis: yeah, me too :b
[05:53] <scrubb2000> yes
[05:53] <Mys_Teri> Okay thanks for all the info.  Got to run now.  Have a great evening everyone.
[05:54] <orient2000> news magazine for kubuntu first edition http://www.fullcirclemagazine.org
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, i have a marvell yukon ethernet adapter on mine, what exactly is the issue?
[05:57] <scrubb2000> linux sees eth0 and eth1, but I can't seem to get them working.
[05:57] <scrubb2000> dhcp fails, ifconfig eth0:0 up fails
[05:58] <spitwise1> dhclient command fails?
[05:58] <scrubb2000> yup
[05:58] <scrubb2000> it tries a bunch of times then says it got no response.
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, are you running through a router?
[05:58] <scrubb2000> yes
[05:58] <cskj> hey when i select the numlock on kde startup it doesn't work
[05:58] <scrubb2000> the router is the dhcp server
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, it's configured for DHCP, right?
[05:59] <spitwise1> make sure its not a bad cable
[05:59] <spitwise1> that happened to me just today -- i had to recrimp
[06:00] <spitwise1> after rebooting modem, router, blah
[06:00] <bobleny> Hey, what would this command do? chmod g+t auto_saver
[06:00] <scrubb2000> it's working fine right now in windows.
[06:01] <spitwise1> got all the right modules for your card?
[06:02] <noxwayxhome_> anyone know of a good distro for a media server would be
[06:02] <dr_willis> knoppmyth can do that :)
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> spitwise1, if it's a marvell yukon, kubuntu comes with 'em
[06:02] <shawn34> scrubb2000: you have good link lights?
[06:02] <angasule> !googleearth
[06:03] <scrubb2000> yes and yes
[06:03] <spitwise1> heh
[06:03] <spitwise1> hmm
[06:03] <scrubb2000> how do I check which modules I have/need?
[06:04] <bobleny> Hey, would this command, "chmod g+t auto_saver" give all subfolders in "auto_saver" the same permissions?
[06:04] <dr_willis> bobbyd__,  nope.
[06:04] <scrubb2000> I have a module from nvidia called forcedeth.c, but I have no idea how to check for/install it.
[06:04] <dr_willis> yoy may want to use the -R option
[06:04] <dr_willis> -R = recursive
[06:04] <thev> anyone know why the spell check might not be working in new Open Office docs, but works in previous docs?
[06:05] <scrubb2000> I'm still fairly new to linux, but I'm not afraid of command lines or editing config files.
[06:05] <spitwise1> bobleny: you'll need to use the recursive option i beleive
[06:05] <bobleny> dr_willis, was that aimed twords me?
[06:05] <dr_willis> sad to say that some of the nvidia chipsets have ussies.
[06:06] <angasule> !ubotu
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[06:06] <angasule> !googleearth
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[06:06] <bobleny> Could you tell me how to do that?
[06:06] <dr_willis> bobbyd__,  yep. you may want to use the -R for recursive to do all the things.. BUT that would also do the dirs and files.. Hmm
[06:06] <shawn34> scrubb2000: you can try in #ubuntu cause your issue isn't kde/gnome related
[06:06] <spitwise1> type : man chmod
[06:07] <shawn34> anyone use the 'moodbar' plugin for amarok?
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> scrubb: try this : modprobe -l | grep marvell
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000: that'll let you know if it's loading the modules
[06:09] <spitwise1> or lsmod | grep marvell to list whats loaded
[06:09] <spitwise1> modprobe loads them no?
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> that too :)
[06:09] <spitwise1> ;)
[06:10] <scrubb2000> Will the module have marvell in it somewhere?  What if it's a generic driver?
[06:10] <WillLuongo> Hello, can anyone help me install the Java runtime environment from the console? When I try using adept I can't get it to get through the EULA
[06:12] <spitwise1> what does lspci command tell you the card is exactly?
[06:12] <spitwise1> and how did you install kubuntu in the first place?
[06:14] <spitwise1> google is telling me you may need the sky2 module
[06:14] <scrubb2000> spitwise1, the network adaptors are onboard the mobo
[06:14] <scrubb2000> I used a liveDVD to install
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, they still show up on lspci
[06:15] <spitwise1> scrubb2000: read this forum: http://www.sysresccd.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3286&sid=313d7e93cee097574e70f22492b1a258
[06:15] <scrubb2000> Oh really?  Is that for legacy reasons or something?
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, they're still on the bus, just not the plugin slots
[06:16] <scrubb2000> ah ha
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, actually, on this chipset it puts the net adapter on the pci-e bus
[06:17] <scrubb2000> hmm...
[06:18] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, just a thought, try swapping ports on the back, i had to do that on slack for some reason
[06:18] <scrubb2000> I also just noticed that the manual calls them "NV gigabit LAN controller"
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> lsmod
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> crap
[06:20] <spitwise1> scrubb2000: lsmod | grep sk98lin
[06:21] <spitwise1> is _that_ loaded?
[06:21] <compilerwriter> schuenemann:  I didn't right sun's jdk, but know someone who might have had a hand in it.
[06:21] <scrubb2000> I'll have to reboot to find out.  What if it turns out it's not?
[06:21] <compilerwriter> s/right/write
[06:21] <spitwise1> modprobe that sucker
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, also, try modprobing forcedeth
[06:22] <spitwise1> pastebin your lsmod
[06:23] <spitwise1> !pastebin
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[06:23] <spitwise1> er nevermind
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> spitwise1, he can't, he's dual boot w/ no net on linux side
[06:23] <spitwise1> heheh
[06:23] <scrubb2000> I can pastebin anything, but you gotta request it ahead of time. ;)
[06:24] <scrubb2000> Which reminds me...
[06:24] <spitwise1> well grab a pen .. ?
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> spitwise1, hold on, my chipset's pretty similar to his, i'll paste mine for comparison
[06:24] <kristjan> how do I see MTU used (networking)
[06:24] <scrubb2000> I have my windows partition set to a mount point, but it shows up as empty in konqueror
[06:26] <scrubb2000> Any ideas why, and how to fix it?
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, ok, here's my lsmod, but im running feisty so it might not be exactly the same http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15903/
[06:28] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, I see forcedeth in there.
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, try modprobing it
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, ie sudo modprobe forcedeth
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, if it's installed, that'll load it
[06:30] <scrubb2000> will do.
[06:30] <scrubb2000> Now, how do I get the files in my windows partition to be visible in konqueor?
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, show hidden?
[06:31] <scrubb2000> I can mount the drive no problem, but it's empty when I open it up.  It's FAT32.
[06:31] <scrubb2000> Didn't know it would hide the files by default.
[06:31] <scrubb2000> Is that under the menu bar somewhere?
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, try an explicit mount i.e. mount -t vfat
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, somewhere
[06:32] <scrubb2000> explicit command won't break KDE somehow, will it?
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, i use krusader or the konsole mostly
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, not that one, no
[06:32] <scrubb2000> ok.
[06:32] <scrubb2000> Any outputs you guys want me to record?
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, any error msgs and the output of any modprobes
[06:33] <scrubb2000> k.  I use > to send it to a file right?  My memory's a bit rusty.
[06:33] <beau> would anyone know why when i try an open adept i get "su returned with an error"?
[06:34] <spitwise1> mount -t vfat /dev/hda# /mount/point
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, yeah, that should do it
[06:34] <scrubb2000> OK.  I'll be back in a little while.  Thanks for the help folks.
[06:35] <WillLuongo> Something went very wrong with my display settings. Can anyone help me get them back?
[06:36] <spitwise1> which display settings?
[06:37] <WillLuongo> Well, I was trying to run Doom 2 in Wine, when it crashed, and changed my resolution. I was putting it back to normal when the display crashed completely (fuzzy lines in middle of blank screen) When I reboot and login, I don't see my desktop manager or anything, just the background. So I logged in in failsafe mode and started my IRC client via Konsole
[06:38] <spitwise1> i would try launching kcontrol from konsole and see if you can fiddle with something there
[06:39] <abortd> there a program for linux that lets me backup dvds and cds?
[06:39] <spitwise1> k3b
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> abortd, k9copy
[06:39] <abortd> what about gnome :)
[06:40] <spitwise1> gnomebaker?
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> abortd: not really that familiar w/ gnome
[06:40] <abortd> dang
[06:40] <bobleny> I have a folder that has permissions like this: "drwxrwsr-x 9 bob www-data". When I make a subdirectory in that folder, I would like it to automaticly take on it's parents permissions. How do I do that?
[06:41] <spitwise1> me neither i just searched it ;)
[06:41] <premier_> whats the status of 64bit on linux, esp kubuntu and debian?  I'm going to get an AMD64 computer this summer, and I'm going to install kubuntu and something else, prolly debian
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> apt-cache search "f the riaa" :)
[06:41] <spitwise1> hehhe
[06:42] <spitwise1> WillLuongo: luck?
[06:42] <WillLuongo> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Major opcode:  144
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:42] <WillLuongo> Failed to open device
[06:42] <WillLuongo> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Major opcode:  144
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:42] <WillLuongo> Failed to open device
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> !paste | WillLuongo
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[06:43] <spitwise1> alllrighty then
[06:44] <hitmanWilly> o...k...
[06:44] <bobleny> No ideas?
[06:45] <_chocobo> Hey how do u change the pass of a usr account through terminal?
[06:45] <korrx> passwd
[06:45] <spitwise1> passwd username
[06:45] <korrx> ! man passwd
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about man passwd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:46] <bobleny> I take it thats a no?
[06:46] <hitmanWilly> korrx, man works better in konsole :)
[06:46] <bobleny> Good Point
[06:47] <korrx> hitmanWilly sure
[06:47] <spitwise1> bobleny:
[06:48] <spitwise1> you said before g+t .. you want everyone to have permissions recursively?
[06:48] <Andre_> hello fellas
[06:48] <c1|freaky> whats the meaning of fellas?
[06:48] <spitwise1> dudes
[06:49] <bobleny> I would ignore the g+t
[06:49] <Andre_> has anyone ever encountered a problem where all your icons and task bar etc disappear from your desktop?
[06:49] <korrx> _chocobo : ok with passwd ?
[06:49] <c1|freaky> and why do english artists always tell about "dogs" in their songs like "this goes to all my dogs in the clubs"?  or smth. like that
[06:49] <spitwise1> is that a yes bobleny ?
[06:49] <bobleny> This is my new question: I have a folder that has permissions like this: "drwxrwsr-x 9 bob www-data". When I make a subdirectory in that folder, I would like it to automaticly take on it's parents permissions. How do I do that?
[06:49] <shawn34> Andre_: ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:49] <c1|freaky> Andre_: me never
[06:50] <Andre_> tried restarting the session already
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, it should iirc
[06:50] <_chocobo> so
[06:50] <_chocobo> whats the command
[06:50] <_chocobo> for password
[06:50] <korrx> Andre_ : maybe something wrong in your .kde files too I guess
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, passwd
[06:50] <_chocobo> just that
[06:50] <_chocobo> ?
[06:50] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, what is iirc?
[06:50] <korrx> _chocobo : passwd <user>
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, actually passwd <username>
[06:50] <spitwise1> if i recall correctly me too
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, If I Remember Correctly
[06:51] <Andre_> sigh
[06:51] <Andre_> ok
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, irc shorthand
[06:51] <Andre_> how do u fix?
[06:51] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, Ok, how does that help? lol
[06:51] <c1|freaky> bobleny: umm, that's not possible afaik using console commands. u can set a umask but that would count for all files you create as that user
[06:52] <Andre_> hello?
[06:52] <spitwise1> a dir should take on its parents automatiically if created after that parent
[06:52] <_chocobo> Anybody know how my friend made my deskotp black, executed xaos and all that stuff?
[06:52] <_chocobo> how do i fix
[06:52] <_chocobo> my desktop from bein black
[06:52] <korrx> Andre_ pastebin ls -R ~/.kde
[06:53] <c1|freaky> _chocobo: rightclick on the desktop and use configure desktop or something like that
[06:53] <c1|freaky> and then u can change the background
[06:53] <_chocobo> nah icons
[06:53] <_chocobo> are gone
[06:53] <_chocobo> its just black
[06:53] <_chocobo> he said he sued
[06:53] <_chocobo> kciker
[06:53] <_chocobo> and kdesktop
[06:53] <_chocobo> or something
[06:53] <c1|freaky> have u tried to relogin?
[06:54] <bobleny> c1|freaky, what is a umask?
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, right click cmds should still work
[06:54] <_chocobo> right click what/
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, anywhere on the desktop
[06:54] <c1|freaky> umask is a mask with which new files are created.
[06:54] <_chocobo> nope doesn't bring up any menu
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, try alt-f2
[06:55] <_chocobo> nope
[06:55] <_chocobo> i still ahve terminal open though
[06:55] <spitwise1> bobleny: dunno if this helps, but chmod -R 777 /blah/dittyblah will make that dir and everything under it world-readable/writable/executable
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, kcontrol in term will bring up settings menu
[06:56] <bobleny> spitwise1, I don't want to do that though
[06:56] <_chocobo> i tried k control but nothing happened
[06:56] <_chocobo> kcontrol*
[06:57] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde-base maybe?
[06:57] <spitwise1> are you in X even?
[06:57] <spitwise1> or just console
[06:57] <vinces1979> _chocobo: log-out and check that session is KDE, not failsafe
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> even if it was failsafe, it should still bring up kcontrol
[06:58] <_chocobo> i just typed in
[06:58] <_chocobo> kicker
[06:58] <_chocobo> and kdesktop
[06:58] <_chocobo> and it was good
[06:58] <_chocobo> !
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> ok, he killed those apps
[07:00] <spitwise1> bobleny: you dealing with symbolic links?
[07:01] <shawn34> can you change the default login theme?
[07:01] <korrx> hitmanWilly : an idea why he killed those apps for _chocobo ?
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> shawn34, yup
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> korrx, fscking with him?
[07:01] <shawn34> ahh i found it
[07:01] <shawn34> in advanced
[07:01] <shawn34> lol
[07:02] <korrx> hitmanWilly : no. Thirst of knowledge
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> korrx, true, he now has a slightly better understanding of how kde works
[07:03] <korrx> ;)
[07:06] <jbrouhard98> anyone tell me why qparted won't let me resize a NTFS volume on my laptop (i'm currently on it using the liveCD) so I can dual boot my laptop ??
[07:06] <jbrouhard98> it keeps saying "unable to read NTFS partition: Operation Not Permitted" or some such thing.
[07:06] <Psiuyo> What's the best way to connect to a pptp vpn with kubuntu?  network-manager-pptp wants to install a bunch of gnome stuff so I figure there must be a better way...
[07:08] <jtt> jbrouhard98: seems like i read that qparted was not supporting NTFS until a later date
[07:08] <jtt> could be incorrect though
[07:09] <jbrouhard98> damn.
[07:09] <hitmanWilly> !ntfs
[07:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:09] <jbrouhard98> I remember being able to do this once upon a time
[07:09] <jbrouhard98> just can't remember if I used Kubuntu or a regular ubuntu disc :/
[07:09] <jtt> thanks hitman i was just about to do that
[07:10] <jtt> jbrouhard98:  ubuntu/kubuntu shouldnt matter qparted is below the desktop interfce
[07:10] <jtt> since i run windows under vmware i dont run into that problem
[07:11] <hitmanWilly> jtt, regular ubuntu comes with gparted on the cd, i think
[07:12] <scrubb2000> OK, I'm back.
[07:12] <jtt> hitmanWilly: yes it would being gnome based
[07:12] <scrubb2000> !pastebin
[07:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:12] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, any luck?
[07:13] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly,Forcedeth seems to be present, but I dunno.
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> short answer, ntfs is a closed fs, and so linux tools do not, to my knowledge, have the ability to change ntfs partitions (resize, etc)
[07:13] <scrubb2000> I dumped the output from modprobe -l and -c, lsmod, dhclient, and ifconfig
[07:13] <Andre_> hello
[07:13] <scrubb2000> which ones do you want to see. :P
[07:13] <scrubb2000> er ?
[07:14] <Andre_> that command korrx
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, all of em :)
[07:14] <scrubb2000> k
[07:14] <scrubb2000> gimme a minute
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> k
[07:16] <scrubb2000> here's ifconfig: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15910/
[07:16] <scrubb2000> dhclient and ifconfig eth0:0 up: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15911/
[07:17] <scrubb2000> lsmod: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15912/
[07:18] <scrubb2000> I think I flooded the pastebin...lol
[07:18] <scrubb2000> modprobe -l: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15913/
[07:19] <[pyro] > hi guys
[07:19] <scrubb2000> and modprobe -c: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15914/
[07:19] <scrubb2000> happy reading.  I'm going to go make lunch for tomorrow.  brb.
[07:19] <jza873> hello every one
[07:20] <jza873> question in k3b it wont let me burn mp3 cd's by default says i need a MAD mp3 decoder how do i get this to work
[07:21] <jza873> not mp3 cd's  but audio cd's brom mp3 format
[07:21] <jza873> *from
[07:21] <jza873> any ideas?
[07:21] <mackyman> maybe
[07:21] <mackyman> I chall check the repos
[07:22] <[pyro] > does anyone know why after installing Nvidia drivers an X login wont appear unless i press CTRL ALT F7 ?
[07:22] <[pyro] > i just get a txt login on term 1
[07:22] <jza873> ctrl + alt + f7 is x all the others are terminals
[07:23] <mackyman> jza873: If you type: sudo apt-get install libmad0
[07:23] <mackyman> What is the output?
[07:23] <jza873> trying it now thanks
[07:23] <mackyman> Does it install the mad lib or do you already have it?
[07:23] <cskj> guys i have a big problem
[07:23] <cskj> all the panels on my desktop have disappeared
[07:23] <[pyro] > jza873 Yeah i know, i want the x login to display on boot, but i get a txt login. I have to press CTRL ALT and F7 to get the login screen. Its not automatic like it used to be before i installed Nvidia drivers.
[07:24] <mackyman> [pyro] : Was it only after installing nvidia drivers?
[07:24] <jza873> jza873@jza873-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install libmad0
[07:24] <jza873> Reading package lists... Done
[07:24] <jza873> Building dependency tree
[07:24] <jza873> Reading state information... Done
[07:24] <jza873> libmad0 is already the newest version.
[07:24] <jza873> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:24] <hitmanWilly> cskj, what were you doing when this happened?
[07:24] <cskj> changing my login theme
[07:24] <[pyro] > mackyman: yep. The nvidia drivers seem to work ok. when i switch to term 7 i get the X login and i can log in ok
[07:25] <[pyro] > mackyman: the system is just not booting to the X login.
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> cskj, can you change it back?
[07:25] <[pyro] > i put nvidia into /etc/modules hoping to load it before x tries to, but still no luck.
[07:25] <mackyman> [pyro] : have you checked if kdm is running?
[07:25] <cskj> nope
[07:25] <cskj> i cannot access settings because i cannot access my panels
[07:26] <[pyro] > mackyman: yes kdm is running
[07:26] <mackyman> Strange.. Kdm shuld start X
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> cskj, alt-f2 run kdesktop && kicker
[07:26] <[pyro] > mackyman: i just restarted kdm and i get the login screen up again
[07:27] <mackyman> As it shuld be then
[07:27] <purpleposeidon> contrary to fixing my menu-bar problem, I have made it worst. The menus are now centered.
[07:27] <[pyro] > mackyman yeah it all seems to work ok, just not booting up to the x login. Im wondering if i need to specify kdm to load a little bit later in the boot sequence?
[07:28] <mackyman> [pyro] : Well, that you have to ask someone else, that's over my liuge. But I guess you have to check so that kdm is started after X
[07:28] <[pyro] > hmm ok
[07:28] <mackyman> But I don't understand how Nvidia drivers shuld change the boot sequesens.... =/
[07:28] <[pyro] > mackyman: thanks for your help :)
[07:28] <jza873> nope it still wont let be burn audio cd's from mp3 says i need the library
[07:28] <Andre_> how do u rename a foldr using konsole
[07:28] <mackyman> [pyro] : np
[07:29] <[pyro] > mackyman yeah its got me miffed too. ive been using linux for the past 10 years
[07:29] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, u back?
[07:29] <jza873> damn i been using it for like a week
[07:29] <mackyman> Andre_: mv <folder> <newName>
[07:29] <jza873> so any more suggestions
[07:29] <jtt> cskj: perhaps you can  CNTL + ALT + F1  and  mv ~/.kde  to  ~/.kde.orig , pkill -9 kdm and  restart kdm and you should get new  .kde dir under home
[07:30] <[pyro] > and ive never seen this kind of thing before. the only thing i can think of is x is not loading the driver properly, the system thinks there is no x so it defaults to txt login. then when i press CTRL ALT F7 it switch's to x and loads up the login screen. Its like it continues to load X once i switch to term 7
[07:30] <jtt> and your old screen back
[07:30] <Andre_> grazi
[07:30] <mackyman> jza873: hehe
[07:30] <mackyman> Easier than I saw before
[07:30] <jza873> ok
[07:30] <jza873> so...
[07:30] <mackyman> sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[07:30] <jza873> hay im learning
[07:31] <mackyman> We all are
[07:31] <jtt> pyro: X is running other wise you would not have login screen on F7
[07:31] <jza873> mackyman damn your good
[07:32] <mackyman> =)
[07:32] <SubOne> if i run a shell script like "../../script" is there a way for the script to know the relative path from where the script is located to where the script was run (pwd)?
[07:32] <jza873> is ther a way to view repo's like look at what they have to offer
[07:32] <mackyman> have you tried Adept jza873?
[07:33] <jtt> jza873: packages.ubuntu.org
[07:33] <jza873> yea i use adept
[07:33] <jza873> but that dont show everything
[07:33] <mackyman> Adept shuld show everything
[07:33] <jza873> like when i installed afterstep and icewm and ion3
[07:33] <mackyman> ...
[07:33] <jza873> it dosnt show eveything
[07:34] <mackyman> Strange... It shuld
[07:34] <hitmanWilly> there's a lot of libs and other stuff that don't show up under adept
[07:34] <premier_> is there as simple way to create encrypted folders in ubuntu/linux?
[07:34] <jza873> i had to use apt-get to get ion3
[07:34] <hitmanWilly> i generally use synaptic
[07:34] <hitmanWilly> or apt
[07:35] <jza873> synaptic..?
[07:35] <purpleposeidon> premier_: depends on your definition of simple
[07:35] <jza873> another package manager?
[07:35] <hitmanWilly> synaptic is just a gui frontend for apt
[07:35] <Marthy> there is synaptic or adept
[07:35] <Marthy> both frontends for apt
[07:35] <jza873> ok
[07:35] <purpleposeidon> premier_: there's a way to mount a file wiht some encrypted-loopback mush-push, but that's all I can tell you about it
[07:35] <premier_> purpleposeidon: what are the most popular ways?  Do any provide guis?
[07:35] <mackyman> I use adept for most part, and apt when it don't seems enough or rumbling trough guides. But I have never found a likening to synaptics
[07:35] <jza873> one better then the other?
[07:36] <jza873> ohh ok
[07:36] <Marthy> they are about the same
[07:36] <cskj> hey guys i've renamed my kde folder...n still no panels
[07:36] <Marthy> i think, its preference i guess
[07:36] <cskj> i've gotten default settings but still no panels
[07:36] <jza873> i like adept nit i cant find everything
[07:36] <hitmanWilly> adept is easier, synaptic is more powerful
[07:36] <mackyman> True, true
[07:36] <jza873> moe powerful as how
[07:37] <hitmanWilly> jza873, shows up individual packages
[07:37] <Marthy> i liked the search in adept better, but thats me
[07:37] <jtt> cskj: panels you mean the icons etc along the bottom of the screen
[07:37] <Marthy> they both can search
[07:37] <cskj> yepp
[07:38] <jza873> ya know i was sick of windows thats y i got a mac then i wanted to try linux but i was worried i wouldnt get any help but you guys are great so heplful thanks
[07:38] <cskj> is there a way to manually launch both my panels and kicker
[07:38] <jtt> cskj: put your mouse in the area where the panel use to be and right mouse click, menu appear?
[07:38] <cskj> nope
[07:39] <mackyman> jza873: That's why this channel exist
[07:39] <jtt> cskj: move your mouse to all 4 corners of screen and repeat right moust click
[07:39] <jza873> i almost installed slackware instead of kubuntu
[07:39] <jza873> that probily would have been hell
[07:39] <cskj> nope
[07:39] <cskj> still doesn't work
[07:40] <hitmanWilly> jza873, slack is extremely old school
[07:40] <hitmanWilly> jza873, its great if you don't mind hand configuring stuff
[07:40] <jtt> cskj:  CNTL + ALT + F1  ,  login ,  ls -ld  .kde  see what the time on the .kde directory is
[07:41] <jtt> cskj: want to see if it was jsut created
[07:41] <scrubb2000> Ok I'm back finally
[07:41] <jza873> i herd it is very good tho very stable and not too hard and it has something simmilar to apt-get
[07:41] <scrubb2000> Any miraculous insights?
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, ok, your net adapters are working, its something to do with DHCP
[07:42] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, why wouldn't ifconfig work then?
[07:42] <jza873> what about gentoo herd that was good but is that a pain also
[07:43] <Marthy> ive used gentoo
[07:43] <mackyman> jza873: Well, gentoo is ALL manually tuned
[07:43] <jza873> any thing worth while
[07:43] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, ifconfig is seeing the cards, so that's not the problem
[07:43] <Marthy> long while ago, it can be fast if config'd properly
[07:43] <scrubb2000> Ok.
[07:43] <scrubb2000> DHCP works fine under windows.  Why wouldn't it work under linux?
[07:43] <mackyman> jza873: I got tired of gentoo when I realised that I was trying to tune it to behave about as Kubuntu
[07:43] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, do you have any kind of encryption or network keys on the router?
[07:44] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, not that I know of.
[07:44] <jza873> really
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, it almost looks like the router and linux aren't talking
[07:44] <jza873> so no one distro is really better then another all you pretty look for is the packmage manager is what i herd
[07:44] <mackyman> jza873: and especially when trying to install kdm and the two dependecies of it was blocking each other
[07:44] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, I can't imagine why.  DHCP is cross-platform, no?
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, open up 192.168.0.1 in your web browser
[07:45] <mackyman> jza873: Well, and the install
[07:45] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, that takes me to the router's settings page
[07:45] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, yes, i use it on mine
[07:45] <jza873> well i herd gentoo is evil on the install
[07:45] <scrubb2000> I know how to use it.
[07:45] <scrubb2000> Any settings I should be aware of?
[07:45] <mackyman> jza873: It's a ~40page manual
[07:45] <mackyman> It's not as hard as it sound
[07:45] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, take a look anything security or DHCP related
[07:46] <kristjan_> what is doublescan
[07:46] <jza873> so is ther a version that is really better then any others
[07:46] <mackyman> But... When things begin to fuck up and you ain't a guru, the best choise is to restart the install.
[07:46] <hitmanWilly> jza873, its all about what you want to do
[07:46] <mackyman> jza873: That's probably personal. Different type of distrons are good for different type of persons
[07:47] <mackyman> jza873: Kubuntu is the way for me atleast. I like the way everything is working and LOVE the support. I wuld still be running windows without it
[07:47] <jza873> question how do you address someone in red liek u been addressing me
[07:48] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, actually, do you have a firewall running on nix?
[07:48] <fignew_> jza873: you put their nickname somewhere in the message
[07:48] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, DHCP is enabled...no password or anything.
[07:49] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, I have no idea...it's the default kubuntu installation.
[07:49] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, some firewalls will block DHCP
[07:50] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, once you get into linux again, run firestarter and select stop firewall from the menu and see if it connects
[07:50] <jza873> is ther a program to like ghost my system incase i mess it up
[07:51] <mackyman> jza873: I have thought of that too
[07:51] <jza873> i do have a tendency to mess a lot of stuff up in the learning process
[07:51] <scrubb2000> is that on the k-menu?
[07:51] <mackyman> jza873: Wellcome to the club
[07:51] <jza873> lol
[07:51] <jza873> luckly it only take 10 mins to reinstall
[07:52] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, it might be, i'd just run it in konsole
[07:52] <scrubb2000> ok
[07:52] <scrubb2000> any other suggestions?
[07:52] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, you have to kdesu it
[07:52] <mackyman> jza873: I guess one option is to make /home/ on another partition. Then you won't lose any personaly work data when reinstall
[07:53] <scrubb2000> kdesu?  is that like sudo for the gui apps?
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure dhclient maybe
[07:53] <jza873> yea ill have to do taht some time i do have and external 300 gb hd tho
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, yeah
[07:53] <jza873> and you can buy 1tb hd from dell for like 300$
[07:53] <jza873> so that may be an investment
[07:54] <scrubb2000> Ok, I'll go try the firewall thing.  brb.
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, i have to go, work tommorrow
[07:54] <scrubb2000> heh heh me too
[07:54] <scrubb2000> thanks for the help though.
[07:54] <scrubb2000> At least i Know what ISN"T the problem now.
[07:54] <jza873> one more question b4 i leave any goodbooks i should buy to learn some more im done with windows and mac so im using linux full now and want to learn as much like i know with windows
[07:54] <mackyman> jza873: The other stuff usually don't take too long to install, just a matter of apt-get. You can alternativly download all the .deb packages when installing and store them in a dir, and in a reinstall, install them all with a bash-script so that you don't have to download them. But that's just a crazy Idea.
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> i'll be back in the channel tommorrow if you still haven't fixed it
[07:54] <scrubb2000> ok thanks.  Same time?
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> after about 6
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> cdt
[07:55] <scrubb2000> sooper.  goodnight then.
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> so pretty close, yeah
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> night
[07:55] <jza873> yea im ghost too ill be back on late tomorrow
[07:55] <jza873> later
[07:55] <mackyman> jza873: I guess you have to find a book for just Ubuntu or Cubuntu
[07:55] <mackyman> *kubuntu
[07:55] <jza873> ill look
[07:55] <mackyman> Ubuntuforum.com usually is quite a good source of knowledge
[07:56] <[pyro] > jtt: yeah i figured that. but what i dont know is why doesnt the computer default to termainal 7 so i can login to x. I just get txt login and have to press CTRL ALT F7 to get the x login.
[08:01] <jtt> pyro: if kdm created an new .kde under your home directory then i am a little baffled as to why you dont have the default screen back
[08:02] <jtt> pyro: themes are basically user preferences and come from your  .kde  directory
[08:02] <mackyman> [pyro] : have you checked /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:02] <mackyman> ?
[08:02] <jtt> oh well, early flight tomorrow, later folks
[08:02] <mackyman> cya jtt
[08:02] <jtt> cya all
[08:04] <mackyman> [pyro] : And are there any errors in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:04] <mackyman> Whops... Late. Have to get to the bus to work
[08:05] <mackyman> cya everyone and bbl
[08:09] <se7en_> i need some help with nvidia fx 5200 i have done everything including easyubuntu and automatics. all i get is a black screen if i change from nv driver to nvidia ...
[08:14] <[pyro] > se7en_ : press CTRL ALT F7
[08:14] <[pyro] > se7en_; do you get the login?
[08:15] <se7en_> [pyro] : no i get a black screen just before i can log in and ctrl alt f1 doesn't do anything
[08:15] <[pyro] > CTRL ALT and F7
[08:16] <[pyro] > se7en_: 7 as in Seven
[08:16] <[pyro] > :S
[08:16] <se7en_> yes
[08:16] <se7en_> f7 doesn't do anything as well
[08:19] <mardi> hi, i'm trying to copy a cd to an .iso with Kubuntu 6.10. I'm doing: dd if=/dev/cdrw of=/home/mysuer/Desktop/cd6.iso conv=noerror, will this work?
[08:20] <mardi> well, 645830656 bytes (646 MB) copied, 188.916 seconds, 3.4 MB/s so i guess so...
[08:21] <bobstro> mardi: been awhile, but i used to do it that way.
[08:21] <bobstro> mardi: for a simple data cd, it should be fine.
[08:21] <mardi> ok, thanks bobstro
[08:22] <korrx> more elegant than mkisofs ?
[08:23] <bobstro> korrx: simpler at least!
[08:23] <korrx> :)
[08:24] <mardi> one sec, it shows a file size of 0 bytes
[08:24] <bobstro> korrx: i suppose if you were preparing a bunch of files to go to cd by hand.
[08:24] <korrx> yes
[08:24] <bobstro> mardi: not good. is it a protected cd in some way?
[08:24] <mardi> and when i try to mount it i get: /home/myuser/cd6.iso: No such file or directory
[08:24] <bobstro> mardi: that could stop it dead.
[08:25] <bobstro> mardi: er... but what happened to those 646MB copied?
[08:25] <mardi> bobstro: not sure, it's a very old expansion cd to baulders gate, i'm running baldur's gate with wine, then i installed this expansion cd and now the game complains it wants a cd...
[08:25] <bobstro> mardi: you did have Desktop in the path before!
[08:25] <mardi> bobstro: good question...
[08:26] <bobstro> mardi: those aren't the same path
[08:26] <firepol_> hi guys, i've installed Eclipse. But there is no menu entry, why? Or how can I run eclipse? Thanks for helping...
[08:26] <mardi> doh!
[08:26] <bobstro> :)
[08:26] <mardi> that worked, thanks bobstro
[08:27] <bobstro> mardi: good luck. there are certainly prettier tools available. :)
[08:27] <mardi> yeh but i'm just messing around
[08:44] <nbcb> what's a way to trace an app that runs and close so fast?
[08:44] <nbcb> i tried using top but can't see
[08:45] <flaccid> what info do you need
[08:46] <nbcb> like i click on a link, it uses my mplayer but it closes after i clicked it
[08:46] <nbcb> i want to know what are the parameters and what program it run
[08:46] <JohnFlux_> firephoto: hi
[08:46] <JohnFlux_> firephoto: that's strange indeed
[08:46] <nbcb> i would use ps but its too fast
[08:46] <JohnFlux_> firephoto: are you still there?
[08:46] <flaccid> nbcb: in what program?
[08:46] <JohnFlux_> firephoto: you need to do:  sudo cp /usr/share/app-install/desktop/eclipse.desktop /usr/share/applications/
[08:47] <nbcb> in my konsole
[08:47] <flaccid> you can't click on licks on konsole ?
[08:47] <JohnFlux_> firephoto: then it will appear under Development
[08:47] <JohnFlux_> Riddell: is that a bug ^^ ?
[08:49] <nbcb> licks
[08:49] <nbcb> hmm i click on firefox
[08:50] <nbcb> but i monitor what's running on konsole
[08:50] <flaccid> you can't do that
[08:50] <flaccid> what you click on in firefox does not come up in konsole
[08:50] <nbcb> !monitor
[08:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monitor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:50] <korrx> nbcb : did you try mplayer <your_video_file> ?
[08:50] <flaccid> nbcb: see #firefox
[08:51] <nbcb> what i click on firefox runs a mplayer, which will appear on my konsole if i type ps aux | grep mplay
[08:51] <nbcb> but the mplayer just closes so fast..blah nvmind
[08:52] <korrx> try in konsole mplayer <url>
[08:52] <flaccid> man top
[08:52] <yotux> is there a reason to use multiple mac ids for a wireless card?
[08:52] <flaccid> you could increase polling speed
[08:52] <flaccid> otherwise i don't kow
[08:52] <flaccid> and you still didn't provide what info you needed about the process..
[08:52] <flaccid> what did you want to monitor
[08:54] <nbcb> !ltrace
[08:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ltrace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:54] <korrx> nbcb : man ltrace in konsole
[08:55] <flaccid> nbcb: nothing you can do
[08:56] <flaccid> what is the problem, why do you need to do this?
[09:02] <alexicon> anyone here actually use hibernate or suspend on their laptop?
[09:02] <alexicon> ive got a vaio, and the last time i used it back in january it gave me loads of disk problems
[09:02] <alexicon> anyone know if improvements have been made since?
[09:03] <yotux> what do you mean by disk problems>
[09:04] <alexicon> i am i had to fsck everything after the hibernation
[09:04] <alexicon> it had a couple nasty effects like that, but im not sure why. if its my laptop, the hibernation mode itself or what
[09:04] <yotux> last time I check herbnation was an issue in edgy.
[09:05] <alexicon> yeah im still on edgy
[09:05] <yotux> Fiesty is beta yet and I think some improvements where made
[09:05] <alexicon> hrm
[09:05] <yotux> I have an hp and hib.  doesn't work
[09:05] <alexicon> ok
[09:05] <alexicon> i shant risk it then
[09:05] <alexicon> got a presentation need my laptop, i?l just shut down properly :P
[09:05] <yotux> good call
[09:10] <mardi> is there a key board short cut for changing view modes in konqueror file browser?
[09:11] <yotux> mardi: I believe so it under settings and shortcuts
[09:11] <yotux> mardi:  you may have to set it manually
[09:13] <kraut> moin
[09:13] <mardi> i think i've looked there in the past, and i've just now looked again yotux, and i still can't see anything associated with view
[09:14] <yotux> mardi:  I have found 3 views optios so far and a couple of show
[09:16] <mardi> you mean the 'split view left|right' and 'link view' and 'close active view' ones?
[09:16] <yotux> those are some of them
[09:18] <mardi> well ya see, i like the 'detailed view' for displaying files but often, even though i've already set it not to in the konqueror file browser profile, it switches to icon view. I just want a quick way to switch to 'detailed list view'
[09:18] <mardi> sometimes just navigating up a folder switched to icon view
[09:25] <korrx> mardi : I searched for a while such shortcuts without find any ; would be really usefull though
[09:25] <mardi> korrx: aye
[09:26] <korrx> mardi : anyway, konqueror can remember your typ of display for each directory you're used to browse
[09:27] <mardi> yeh, i've been working on that :)
[09:34] <mardi> ok, how about this: is there a way i can assignt a keyboard short cut to the command 'kdesu konqueror'?
[09:34] <endriu> hi everybody
[09:35] <mardi> hi endriu
[09:35] <korrx> hi
[09:37] <korrx> mardi : maybe in kde general shortcuts ; create your own (if possible)
[09:37] <mardi> yeh, working on it now, i'm too newbie tho
[09:37] <endriu> you can create a menu entry
[09:38] <endriu> an then associate a key shortcut to it
[09:38] <korrx> endriu : yes
[09:39] <mardi> ooh
[09:39] <tomi> .
[09:40] <endriu> oops sorry gotta go work :) bye everyone!
[09:40] <mardi> have fun!
[09:41] <korrx> bb
[09:42] <cj_> hello
[09:42] <cj_> to all
[09:42] <korrx> hi cj_
[09:42] <cj_> how are u korrx
[09:43] <icecruncher> whenever I log into edgy(kde) i get an error saying the filesystem has terminated, I can't see anything on the desktop, no icons anything. any ideas?
[09:43] <korrx> well thx cj_
[09:43] <cj_> pls help how to set up printer in kubuntu i'm newbie in kubuntu
[09:43] <cj_> thanks
[09:43] <flaccid> !printers
[09:43] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:44] <korrx> cj_ : kde control panel : all you need to configure cups is automatized there
[09:45] <korrx> woops : system menu ;)
[09:45] <cj_> i don't have cups
[09:46] <korrx> cj_ : sudo apt-get install cups ?
[09:46] <cj_> ahh ok
[09:46] <cj_> thanks
[09:47] <flaccid> its a good idea to read the docs pasted :)
[09:48] <cj_> thanks you very much korrx
[09:48] <korrx> you're welcome
[09:48] <korrx> read doc anyway ;)
[09:53] <xjkx> what differs ubuntu and kubuntu besides the kde usage?
[09:53] <Tm_T> xjkx: well, applications and settings
[09:53] <korrx> xjkx : nothing else ;)
[09:53] <Tm_T> xjkx: same base
[09:56] <xjkx> i would like to read about the settings that comes in kubuntu and doesn't come on ubuntu, do the kubuntu website say it?
[09:57] <Tm_T> xjkx: well, that would be KDE settings
[09:58] <korrx> xjkx : don't know what differs among *buntu except your window manager and associated system tools and goodies
[09:59] <xjkx> i heard the install/uninstall thing (such as the add/remove of wind~) is only on kubuntu, is that true?
[10:00] <korrx> Q:      What's the difference between a Mac and an Etch-a-Sketch?
[10:00] <korrx> A:      You don't have to shake the Mac to clear the screen.
[10:01] <xardias> korrx: are you shure? ever tried shaking your mac?
[10:02] <korrx> I don't have a mac ; that does not work either with my PC :P
[10:03] <korrx> maybe I don't shake enough
[10:03] <xjkx> lmao
[10:03] <Tm_T> xjkx: both have their own tools
[10:03] <xardias> korrx: i think so.. if you shake enough the screen will get clearly black, so it really works..
[10:03] <korrx> AHAHAHA
[10:04] <xjkx> Tm_T we are in the point :> i was interested to know their particular tools...i think the websites should tell but i think it doesnt :>
[10:04] <Tm_T> xjkx: well, they are named "add/remove application" sorta way so...
[10:09] <korrx> xjkx : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29
[10:14] <Riddell> JohnFlux_: seems like one
[10:19] <richardh_> hey everyone...I'm having trouble with my CPU and its temperature (possibly ACPI connected)
[10:25] <JohnFlux_> richardh_: trouble in what way?
[10:27] <premier_> is there as simple (ie gui) way to create encrypted folders in ubuntu/linux?
[10:27] <richardh_> johnflux: basically, after edgy upgrade CPU keeps overheating...and kernel log fills up with message about fan device not able to be turned 'on'
[10:28] <xjkx> unbutu.com says ubuntu needs 256 MB of memory, kubuntu.com doesnt say anything, how much memory i need? if with gnome i need that much, what with kde :O
[10:29] <Tm_T> xjkx: 256 is minimum recommended, though 64 (with enough swap) should work
[10:29] <Tm_T> atleast work fine for my needs :p
[10:30] <xjkx> 64 of memory?????
[10:30] <xjkx> i think it badly run fluxbox lol
[10:30] <korrx> :D
[10:30] <xjkx> the swap is slow
[10:30] <Tm_T> well, it runs KDE, though slow, because of hard swapping
[10:30] <xjkx> because hard disk acess is slower than memory access
[10:30] <premier_> xjkx: no harm in trying, it, eh?
[10:30] <Tm_T> but, I used it a lot
[10:31] <xjkx> o.o
[10:31] <Tm_T> and still do when needed
[10:37] <nbcb> wtf my hotmail mails are all deleted ?!
[10:37] <nbcb> ops sry
[10:37] <nbcb> wrong chan
[11:12] <mito125> salve
[11:13] <mito125> non ricordo + le regole di questo canale,potete darmi gentilmente il link???
[11:15] <mito125> ho un problema alla scheda audio,ho una creative audigy,viene riconosciuta da kubuntu feisty,se faccio alsamixer mi da il nome della scheda,e tutti i volumi sono tra l'80 e il 100 %....X non sento nessun suono se provo a riprodurre un mp3 o un avi,con i programmi tipo amarok e vlc...Sapete cosa devo controllare per risolvere il prolema???
[11:17] <yamal> !it
[11:17] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:17] <mito125> thank you
[11:26] <hnsn> hello fellow student
[11:26] <MK_Mike> Hey, i have a problem somtimes e.g. most time i reboot my pc there is no sound what so ever what ever i do e.g. reinstalling sound system, etc. i can't get it to work but ever now and again the sound works! any ideas how to fix this problem
[11:26] <SharpRazor> could anyone tell me if it is safe to remove old kernel headers from boot menu??
[11:28] <flaccid_> SharpRazor: yep
[11:28] <flaccid_> safe
[11:28] <korrx> SharpRazor : yes, it's safe, but safier is to comment lines
[11:28] <flaccid_> comment them out however
[11:28] <flaccid_> heh soz korrx
[11:28] <insmod> i fixed the atheros prob in the new version if anyone needs to know
[11:28] <korrx> hey
[11:28] <SharpRazor> yeah
[11:29] <SharpRazor> but the headers take space on the disk don't they:)??
[11:29] <korrx> SharpRazor : inn fact, yes.
[11:29] <dac> hello all
[11:30] <SharpRazor> so i would like to remove them cause i don't use them at all
[11:30] <SharpRazor> sudo apt-get remove will do the work?
[11:30] <korrx> hope so, yes
[11:31] <SharpRazor> hope so, that does not sound too good :)
[11:31] <korrx> yes it does
[11:31] <SharpRazor> i'll try it
[11:32] <korrx> be aware to specify old version #
[11:33] <SharpRazor> i know know:) i'll use adept manager and that's it
[11:33] <SharpRazor> thanks guys, have a nice day, i'm off to work bye :)
[11:33] <korrx> g00d
[11:34] <VSpike> Everytime I come out of the screensaver, I get a crash handler for kdesktop_lock segfaulting.  Any recommendation on how to cure this?
[11:34] <JohnFlux> VSpike: don't use the screensaver? :-D
[11:35] <MK_Mike> Hey, i have a problem somtimes e.g. most time i reboot my pc there is no sound what so ever what ever i do e.g. reinstalling sound system, etc. i can't get it to work but ever now and again the sound works! any ideas how to fix this problem
[11:35] <JohnFlux> VSpike: you could disable it and use xscreensaver instead maybe
[11:35] <JohnFlux> VSpike: or try googling
[11:35] <JohnFlux> MK_Mike: check the volume/muted ?
[11:36] <korrx> JohnFlux : yes ; had this prob with kmix
[11:36] <VSpike> I set up xscreensaver before... couldn't get kscreensaver to work.  I think that was an ATI fglrx driver bug, IIRC.  Don't have that card any more though
[11:36] <JohnFlux> korrx: I believe it's to do with the defaults in some alsa drivers, rather than kmix itself
[11:37] <VSpike> Strange that this has suddenly started happening.  It's always been fine before.  Should probably try restarting the display manager
[11:37] <insmod> <MK_Mike :update alsa and edit the modules
[11:37] <JohnFlux> MK_Mike: as a random thing, maybe it works only when you reboot after being in windows?
[11:37] <MK_Mike> JohnFlux: it isnt muted!
[11:37] <korrx> JohnFlux : maybe
[11:38] <MK_Mike> JohnFlux>: maybe but i rebooted in linux a few times seens last time i was in windows so i think i have elimated that..
[11:38] <JohnFlux> MK_Mike: it's not the reboots that matter, but the powering off
[11:39] <MK_Mike> insmod: i'm bit of a newbe i only just switched fully to ubuntu been using for about a year an a half though, how do i edit the modules
[11:39] <MK_Mike> JohnFlux: i have powered my pc off and then booted in linux and it still doesnt work before now.
[11:40] <JohnFlux> MK_Mike: the other way round I mean
[11:40] <JohnFlux> MK_Mike: booting into windows then rebooting into linux  may make it work
[11:41] <JohnFlux> MK_Mike: could you run  lspci    and look for your sound card?
[11:41] <JohnFlux> probably starts  Multimedia audio controller  or something
[11:41] <MK_Mike> JohnFlux: i think that actuly maybe the only time the sound works when i do that. but i can keep doing that so i need a way round booting into window before linux
[11:43] <xardias> is it possible to use the debian way of upgrading to feisty? (apt-get update, apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade)?
[11:44] <JohnFlux> xardias: the gui does exactly that
[11:44] <xardias> JohnFlux: okay thansk
[11:44] <korrx> without editing source.list ?
[11:45] <xardias> well i have edited my sources.list bevore upgrading
[11:46] <korrx> ;)
[11:46] <korrx> so it'll does debian way
[11:47] <xardias> conflicting packages - not installing nvidia-glx
[11:47] <xardias> hm. strange.
[11:48] <xardias> nvidia-glx-dev conflicts with nvidia-glx (>= 1.0.9756)
[11:48] <xardias> now THAT is strange..
[11:48] <korrx> you'll do it later ?
[11:49] <xardias> well. remove, install, and it works now.
[11:49] <korrx> after nvidia* remove (otherwise conflicting ; odd)
[11:49] <korrx> great
[11:49] <xardias> brb. restarting x
[11:50] <korrx> yeah buntu rulez
[11:54] <MK_Mike> feisty released?
[11:55] <Admiral_Chicago> MK_Mike: not till Thursday
[11:55] <Admiral_Chicago> or around thursday
[11:56] <MK_Mike> ok thanks
[12:19] <cornelinux> Hello, in konqueror I can only see /home and /media. How do I manage to see some other dirs as normal user?
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> cornelinux: there is a file...hidden
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> sec
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> !hidden
[12:23] <ubotu> Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> there you go
[12:24] <cornelinux> Admiral_Chicago: Ah, thanks. That is what i was looking for. :)
[12:25] <gemidjy> cornelinux: it is implemented for security
[12:25] <gemidjy> was*
[12:25] <thor> hi all was hoping I could get some help
[12:26] <thor> I have an application I installed via aptitude that does not whant to remove itsefl
[12:26] <thor> no matter what I try does anyone know how I can remove it
[12:27] <cornelinux> gemidjy: Not a bad feature. But I need to configure some of the directories. Now I can.
[12:27] <Admiral_Chicago> thor: sudo aptitude -f remove package ?
[12:27] <gemidjy> thor: paste the error on pastebin or somewhere..
[12:27] <thor> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:28] <thor> where can I paste it without flooding the channel
[12:29] <se7en_> somebody know a partition program
[12:29] <thor> GParted
[12:29] <se7en_> any other choices
[12:30] <se7en_> thanks thor
[12:30] <thor> sorry Qparted is the apps name
[12:35] <mito125> !it
[12:35] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:35] <thor> still nothing
[12:36] <thor> there is no command via dpkg or atitude ot even apt-get that removes this app :S
[12:36] <alexicon> anyone know of an ncurse music player that has scrobbler support?
[12:36] <alexicon> apart from mpd which doesnt like me :P
[12:36] <thor> and everytime I update it cuzes my update maneger to fail
[12:38] <thor> anay help
[12:40] <anees> how to login google talk in ubuntu...anybody help me plz
[12:40] <tricasse> thor: paste the error in a paste-bin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[12:41] <tricasse> anees: did you try gaim (Jabber protocol)?
[12:41] <anees> hmmm...let me try
[12:41] <anees> thanx
[12:42] <sivaji> what this command will do "sleep 7200 | halt "
[12:43] <thor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15952/  <--\clik :P
[12:46] <tricasse> thor: the app you cannot uninstall is k3d, not g/qparted
[12:46] <thor> I know
[12:46] <thor> I was helping another person with there request for a patition manager ;)
[12:47] <sivaji> File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 535, in read_version_info
[12:47] <sivaji>     raise PyCentralError, "package has no field Python-Version"
[12:47] <sivaji> __main__.PyCentralError: package has no field Python-Version
[12:47] <thor> never mind the app name I need to remove it
[12:50] <fiction> ok. i have kde and gnome. if i install xfce, will it work?
[12:50] <fiction> would i be able to chose form the login screen
[12:51] <fiction> ok. i have kde and gnome installed now. could i install xfce too?
[12:51] <Admiral_Chicago> fiction: of course
[12:51] <thor> hello any help
[12:52] <fiction> Admiral_Chicago: so all 3 in 1? cool =] . thanks
[12:52] <fiction> whats the package called? (kde was kubuntu-desktop, i believe. so, xfce-desktop?)
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> fiction: xubuntu-desktop
[12:53] <fiction> Admiral_Chicago: thanks
[12:53] <tricasse> thor: your problem seems to be related to the following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/k3d/+bug/64848
[12:53] <neoj> fiction: apt-cache search is handy :)
[12:53] <fiction> =] 
[12:54] <tricasse> you may use edgy's proposed updates' repository to fix it, or fix it manually following the instructions in the last comment on the bug report
[12:58] <thor> thx
[12:58] <thor> hopefully this will help ;)
[12:59] <grinreaaper> hey can anyone tell me how to  use KCron.....
[01:03] <_4strO> !cron grinreaaper
[01:03] <_4strO> !cron | grinreaaper
[01:03] <ubotu> grinreaaper: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[01:05] <thor> it worked I can't belief it a "s" thats all it was versions and version
[01:05] <thor> cheers
[01:05] <kernando> how can i install a ntfs hdd file reader?
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> *knock knock*
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> !time
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> !kicker
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kicker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> !panel
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about panel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> Bot's having a bad circuit day...
[01:17] <sivaji> !fiesty
[01:17] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[01:18] <sivaji> !fiesty bugs
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fiesty bugs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <sivaji> whether fiesty is good ?
[01:23] <anees> how to upgrade to fiesty
[01:25] <Admiral_Chicago> anees: see the topic
[01:29] <bobdhicks> nda69
[01:29] <Admiral_Chicago> sivaji: its worked very well for me and i've been testing it the whole time
[01:45] <gee|UNIX|> hi
[01:47] <laurent_> slt
[01:47] <laurent_> ca va ?
[01:58] <FlameBird> does kubuntu beta also have the codec install software?
[02:00] <FlameBird> anyone?!
[02:00] <MuJ> yes
[02:00] <gemidjy> FlameBird: what do u mean? as in Ubuntu Feisty ?
[02:01] <FlameBird> gemidjy, as in Kubuntu fiesty
[02:01] <gemidjy> haven't met so far
[02:01] <FlameBird> MuJ, gemidjy havent met that so far....
[02:01] <gemidjy> since I have the codecs installed from the very first day, however, ask on #ubuntu+1
[02:01] <FlameBird> ahhh
[02:02] <FlameBird> anyways tell me which is faster kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:02] <gemidjy> try it
[02:02] <gemidjy> depends from many factors
[02:02] <FlameBird> 256mb ram laptop
[02:02] <gemidjy> it is matter of architecture, choice and other things
[02:02] <FlameBird> x86
[02:02] <gemidjy> u try it and see it by yourself
[02:02] <_4strO> FlameBird: Xubuntu is faster ;)
[02:03] <FlameBird> _4strO, but it sucks man xfce <- i dont like :D and it doesnt have OO bundled
[02:04] <gemidjy> o.0
[02:04] <FlameBird> what?
[02:04] <gemidjy> u can install oo, if u reffer on oo.org
[02:04] <FlameBird> i know
[02:04] <FlameBird> but I have bandwidth limits
[02:04] <gemidjy> ah
[02:05] <FlameBird> for the same size I can much sexier one with OO bundled :D
[02:06] <sivaji> is there any command to display os information like version etc
[02:07] <gemidjy> sivaji: uname -a lists info on the running kernel if that's what u need
[02:08] <sivaji> i want to see distribution version i use
[02:09] <gemidjy> sivaji: u are using Kubuntu
[02:09] <gemidjy> :))
[02:09] <sivaji> yes
[02:10] <gemidjy> sivaji: most common way to check this is cat /etc/debian_version on systems based on redhat /etc/redhat_version etc. but in Ubuntu there is no /etc/kubuntu_version and debian_version only lists 4.0 (in feisty)
[02:20] <T0uCH> can anyone help me with a bug i got on Kubuntu... it is closing kopete messenger,  add/remove programs...well almost evyrything.. i dont know what to do
[02:24] <yotux> how could I sync my mail from my desktop to notebook
[02:25] <c1|freaky> if ur eMail provider has a imap server u could use imap instead of pop3 ... if u use pop3 u could not delete the eMails by default and they would be kept on the server so you could recieve it on both computers
[02:26] <yotux> thankz,   I was thinking about using ssh an rsync
[02:29] <kalorin_> is there any way to see which programs are writing to a disk at any given time?
[02:29] <marve> sivaji : cat /etc/lsb-release
[02:29] <kalorin_> I walk by and my machine is timed out, monitors off, yet the harddisk is just popping about 1 or 2 times every couple of seconds
[02:29] <kalorin_> like it's writing something
[02:29] <kalorin_> but no idea what
[02:30] <T0uCH> is there anyone who can help me with this :  The application Adept Installer ( but almost all my software ) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)....... i dont know what to do
[02:31] <c1|freaky> yotux: i use imap ...
[02:33] <c1|freaky> T0uCH: u could send a bugreport ... if u dont want to ... just do nothing and close that window.
[02:33] <c1|freaky> if ut happens again ... u can still file a bugreport
[02:33] <c1|freaky> *it
[02:33] <yotux> c1freaky:  I don't have IMAP aval.
[02:34] <c1|freaky> yotux: that sucks ^^
[02:34] <yotux> Suppose I could create a server at home and download all of my mail from there
[02:35] <c1|freaky> u could also just keep the mail on the server itself using pop3 ...
[02:35] <c1|freaky> thats configureable in ur eMail client (probably)
[02:35] <yotux> could do that
[02:46] <luca> Hi all, I'm having a problem with K3B+Feisty. It says that he can't find the MP3 decoder. Maybe I have to install a library?
[02:48] <shawn34> how can I get the games menu/folder to show up in the main menu? when i go to edit the menu its in there but doesn't show up when i click on the apps menu
[02:49] <mackyman> luca: sudo apt-get install libk3b-mp3
[02:51] <luca> mackyman: I can't find it in my repositories (unable to find libk3b-mp3)
[02:52] <_4strO> !codecs | luca
[02:52] <ubotu> luca: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:52] <mackyman> what is the current version of kde?
[02:52] <mackyman> That kubuntu uses?
[02:52] <chijin> 3.5.5 or 3.5.6
[02:53] <mackyman> kk
[02:53] <mackyman> Thx
[02:53] <shawn34> how can I get the games menu/folder to show up in the main menu?
[02:54] <Ace2016> Hi all
[02:54] <Ace2016> anyone know how i can turn my current running system with all its packages into a live CD?
[02:55] <armando> exit
[02:55] <Ace2016> you mean /quit or /leave?
[02:55] <Ace2016> or did you mean to type that into konsole
[02:57] <drbreen> hello
[02:57] <CharlesHKG> how do I reinstall grub, without reinstalling kubuntu?
[02:58] <c1|freaky> apt-get install --reinstall grub
[03:00] <shawn34> can anyone help me with my menu issue?
[03:01] <CharlesHKG> doesnt work....says E: Command line option 'r' [from -reinstall]  is not known.
[03:03] <rymo_> hi guys :)
[03:04] <rymo_> could any1 give me magic boot command for kubuntu 7.04 live cd?
[03:04] <rymo_> ubuntu 6.10 live cd..works fine.. then i upgraded it do kubuntu..and then to 7.04..
[03:04] <rymo_> but pure kubuntu from cd...stops when loading kdm :(
[03:05] <drbreen> how can i change the default language in kubuntu
[03:07] <shawn34> ok i feel dumb now
[03:07] <shawn34> i didn't know kde comes default with no games lol
[03:07] <shawn34> no wonder its not showing up in my menu
[03:08] <luca> rymo_: did you try the "safe graphics" mode?
[03:10] <rymo_> yeah..i've also tried
[03:10] <rymo_> i also get leds_cmd error :/
[03:12] <shawn34> rymo_: whats the problem?
[03:13] <rymo_> kubuntu 7.04 live cd doesn't want to run
[03:13] <rymo_> it stops at running kdm
[03:13] <drbreen> i have a ltsp setup and english default language and that confuses my users
[03:13] <drbreen> kubuntu 6.06
[03:13] <drbreen> er 6.10
[03:13] <shawn34> rymo_: how much ram?
[03:13] <rymo_> 1GB
[03:14] <shawn34> rymo_: did you run the memtest?
[03:14] <rymo_> no..but i run ubuntu live cd 6.10...and it works fine
[03:14] <shawn34> rymo_: did you check the disk for burn errors?
[03:14] <shawn34> i would burn another
[03:15] <rymo_> yeah i've checked
[03:15] <shawn34> hrm
[03:15] <rymo_> there was an option in menu...and i used it to check cd
[03:15] <angasule> I think I found a bug, if one sets teh screensaver so that it needs a password, it'll require a password only if the screensaver is running, but once the power saving mode goes on, it no longer requires a password
[03:22] <luca> rymo_: now i remember that the kernel version 14 of feisty was broken, and I had to chroot from a dapper livecd to upgrade feisty's kernel: maybe your kernel on the livecd is the broken one (only a supposition)
[03:22] <rymo_> could be
[03:22] <rymo_> i've too new laptop....and lotta problems with linux :/
[03:22] <rymo_> so every possibility is quite real problem :P
[03:23] <luca> you could try to install edgy and then upgrade to feisty (or wait till the 19, when feisty is due out)
[03:23] <luca> what laptop r u using?
[03:23] <rymo_> asus f3jp -> core 2 duo, x1700 etc..
[03:24] <rymo_> even cpu scalling doesn't work :/
[03:25] <luca> acpi has always been a bit problematic afaik
[03:27] <rymo_> i tried to boot with acpi=off option :/
[03:28] <luca> people managed to install linux on asus F series, so it shouldn't be a problem http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/asus.html maybe you'll have problems with ati video card etc, but you should try with an edgy or dapper liveCD
[03:29] <shawn34> luca: how can i set an app to run automatically, (im new to kde) i can't find it in the settings
[03:29] <luca> shawn34: automatically like "on startup"?
[03:29] <shawn34> yes
[03:30] <shawn34> im used to going to system>sessions
[03:30] <shawn34> in gnome though
[03:30] <shawn34> can't seem to find it in here
[03:30] <pirothezero> ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:30] <luca> yes, the gnome thingy... lemme see: i did a .desktop file to start beryl
[03:30] <pirothezero> put startup scripts in that directory
[03:31] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[03:31] <aaroncampbell> That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.  What can I do to get rid of it?
[03:31] <rymo_> thx for link...there's no my notebook but i think it should help..many quite similiar
[03:31] <shawn34> isn't there a gui for it? not that it matters just suprised
[03:31] <Will> Hello all. I think something has gone wrong with my X server. I was trying to play Doom 2 through wine, then it crashed and changed the resolution of my screen. So when I was trying to change it back, it crashed completely (black screen with fuzzy lines in middle). When I reset, I just see a background image, with no windows, menus, etc. Any ideas on how to fix this logging into console?
[03:32] <luca> shawn34: i think it's not a good way, but you may want to look here http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Autostart?content=32517
[03:35] <luca> Will: have you got a backup xorg.conf file? If yes, you can do "sudo cp /etc/X11/backupfile /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[03:36] <luca> ...no, i didn't read well
[03:36] <rymo_> guys...quick question
[03:36] <Will> luca: to my knowledge I have no backup xorg.conf file, as I just recently installed
[03:36] <rymo_> how to change a link
[03:36] <rymo_> on hdd instaltion of ubuntu
[03:36] <rymo_> i mounted hdd to live cd
[03:36] <rymo_> and i want to change a bash link
[03:37] <rymo_> cause i'm so stupid that i changed it -> linux crashed xD
[03:38] <Rebecca> hey peoples. does anyone know a make/model of USB webcam that reliably works under kubuntu?
[03:38] <luca> Will: to me if it prints the background correctly X works, but KDE not... you may try to do an "apt-get -f install", or reinstall the whole kubuntu-desktop
[03:38] <luca> rymo_: a symbolic link or an fstab item?
[03:39] <luca> Rebecca: my conceptronic cam works fine, you may want to check the "easycam" app
[03:39] <Rebecca> luca: okay
[03:39] <blackboe> Heh, I never finished my question yesterday, I got pulled away
[03:40] <luca> my web didn't work at first, then i used easycam and it set the cam up
[03:41] <luca> blackboe: what question?
[03:42] <blackboe> Well, I'm trying to install a piece of software on wine
[03:42] <luca> what software?
[03:42] <blackboe> The program looks for the copy-protected CD when it runs, though, which means no-go, apparently
[03:42] <blackboe> I'm using the original CD, but wine isn't relaying this, apparently
[03:43] <luca> blackboe: what software?
[03:43] <rymo_> luca: i changed sh link... command ln and that kind of stuff
[03:43] <blackboe> zoo tycoon, actually. :P
[03:44] <blackboe> I just figure it's a good way to test wine's compatibility with stuff like that, though. You know, microsoft, DRM, etc.
[03:45] <luca> blackboe: it appears that the software won't run under kubuntu edgy. See the app database http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=536
[03:46] <blackboe> Sw007. Fair enough.
[03:46] <luca> rymo_: i don't understand, where and when did you put the link?
[03:47] <luca> "...this ingenious game from microsoft..." i know ppl who died attempting to make the last FS work on linux xD
[03:50] <Will> luca: How can reinstall the kubuntu desktop? I tried apt-get -f install and it just told me 0 upgraded, 0 installed, 0 etc.
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> luca: bear in mind that zoo tycoon hasn't been tested since 0.9.22, and wine is up to 0.9.35, there have been a lot of improvements since then, and it might be a good idea to at least give it a shot.
[03:50] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:51] <rymo_> luca: i wanted to paste you pm but..i need to register..damn :/
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> also, i shouldn't advocate this, BUT, you can also use a no-cd patch - perfectly legal if you're running a legit copy of the game :)
[03:52] <Will> nixternal: It says I already have most up to date version. how can I force a reinstall? and if I do, will I lose settings?
[03:52] <nixternal> you won't lose settings
[03:52] <nixternal> why would you want to force a reinstall?
[03:52] <luca> Daisuke_Ido: i agree
[03:53] <Will> nixternal: I think something has gone wrong with my X server. I was trying to play Doom 2 through wine, then it crashed and changed the resolution of my screen. So when I was trying to change it back, it crashed completely (black screen with fuzzy lines in middle). When I reset, I just see a background image, with no windows, menus, etc. Any ideas on how to fix this logging into console?
[03:53] <nixternal> hehe, I was scrolling up to read that :)
[03:53] <Will> nixternal: Woops, didn't mean to copy the whole thing,.
[03:53] <nixternal> tis ok
[03:53] <nixternal> a reboot didn't fix the issue?
[03:54] <Will> nixternal: not at all.
[03:54] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:54] <Will> That didn't stop me from trying it 10 times... LOL
[03:54] <nixternal> haha
[03:54] <nixternal> when you reboot do you get to the login screen fine?
[03:54] <Will> yeah
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, the beautiful thing about linux - a reinstall is almost never necessary, unlike that OTHER os.
[03:54] <nixternal> it is when you log in that all hell breaks loose
[03:54] <Will> daisuke_ido: amen.
[03:54] <Will> nixternal: yes
[03:55] <luca> so kdm works fine
[03:55] <nixternal> ya, so that means X is fine
[03:55] <nixternal> something happened to KWin maybe
[03:55] <Will> it appears so
[03:55] <luca> just an idea: you may try to see if fluxbox works
[03:55] <blackboe> Hey, Daisuke_Ido, I'm a fresh windows user, you're striking pretty close to the heart, there. :P
[03:55] <jay_> What is the best gui app to handle mounting of bin/cue/nrg files in kubuntu?
[03:55] <nixternal> jay_: command line (sorry ;p)
[03:56] <luca> jay: the best app, well, is the konsole command "mount" :P
[03:56] <nixternal> haha
[03:56] <jay_> nope, sorry... gotta b a way
[03:56] <rymo_> luca: that's what i've done (pasted a part of howto) http://paste.uni.cc/14618
[03:56] <jay_> tired of doin that
[03:56] <jay_> :(
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> blackboe: i never said windows :D
[03:56] <rymo_> and now i'm trying to fix it
[03:56] <blackboe> You were THINKING it, though
[03:56] <nixternal> jay_: check kde-look or kde-apps for Konqueror menus that do that, you may find one
[03:56] <Will> blackboe: Don't feel bad, I still have windows on some of my computers...
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> jay_: look up acetoneiso
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> !info acetoneISO
[03:56] <blackboe> Deep down inside, I know you were.
[03:56] <ubotu> Package acetoneiso does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> blackboe: you're right, i was :)
[03:57] <blackboe> I'm psychic
[03:57] <luca> be back soon... i ran soldat and it left me with 800x600 resolution on a 19'' monitor
[03:57] <Will> luca: how would I put fluxbox on my computer from command prompt? apt-get something...
[03:57] <luca> Will: apt-get install fluxbox i think
[03:57] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.acetoneteam.org/
[03:57] <Will> luca: Thanks I will try it.
[03:57] <Daisuke_Ido> from the site: AcetoneISO: A 'Daemon Tools' clone for linux with a lot more features
[03:58] <nixternal> Will: I am double checking to make sure that kwin settings will get rebuilt if you blow them out
[03:58] <Will> nixternal: thank you
[03:58] <nixternal> Will: rm ~/.kde/share/config/kwin*
[03:58] <nixternal> then try to login
[03:59] <luca> and say some prayers :)
[03:59] <nixternal> yes, 2 at least :)
[03:59] <luca> i recommend the "ave maria", it worked pretty well
[04:02] <Will> Before I do that, let me tell you the results of my fluxbox expirement. it didn't work either, did the same thing.
[04:02] <korrx> bye all 'later
[04:02] <Will> Should I still rm?
[04:02] <nixternal> Will: no
[04:02] <nixternal> if it is doing it in fluxbox the issue lies elsewhere
[04:02] <luca> bad problem then
[04:02] <jay_> where does mount iso mount images to?
[04:02] <nixternal> did you reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> jay_: it's configurable
[04:03] <Will> nixternal: no. should I?
[04:03] <nixternal> Will: yes
[04:03] <luca> sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:03] <jay_> where do i configure it?
[04:03] <nixternal> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:03] <jay_> or how?
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't have it installed at the moment, give me a couple minutes
[04:03] <luca> ok, you got me :)
[04:04] <luca> ah, don't forget the prayers too
[04:05] <nixternal> coffee time, back in a bit
[04:05] <rymo_> luca: did you get my paste link?
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> jay_: this would have been a lot faster, but i had a hard drive take a permanent vacation yesterday :\
[04:06] <luca> rymo_: re-paste it please, i logged off before
[04:07] <rymo_> http://paste.uni.cc/14618
[04:07] <rymo_> this is what i've done (a part of howto)
[04:08] <rymo_> and now i've got unable to execute /bin/sh for rcS error
[04:08] <rymo_> and i'm trying to fix it
[04:08] <rymo_> i mounted hdd to live cd
[04:08] <luca> ah!
[04:08] <rymo_> made /bin/sh link to /bin/dash
[04:08] <luca> so you want to revert back to the original link?
[04:08] <rymo_> but..still doesn't work
[04:08] <rymo_> yup
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> jay_: create a directory to use for mounting (either in your home directory, or in /media)
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> looks like there's no way to automate that part of it
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> like /home/jay/iso or something
[04:09] <luca> i suppose you did rm -f /bin/sh, ln -s /bin/dash and it didn't work
[04:10] <rymo_> yeah
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and it will ask you where to mount it when you choose the iso
[04:10] <jay_> uh huh, go on
[04:10] <luca> rymo_: well... you were on the livecd right?
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> erm...  that's it :D
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i recommend in the home folder, or better yet on the desktop, for easiest access
[04:11] <rymo_> yeah..and now i'm looking at error from hdd instalatin
[04:11] <luca> rymo_: the livecd is for edgy or feisty?
[04:12] <rymo_> edgy...feisty doesn't work
[04:12] <jay_> ok, lemme tell u what happens
[04:12] <jay_> I right click on an NRG, Manage  NRG -> Mount Image
[04:12] <rymo_> hdd instalation is feisty
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not going to work
[04:12] <jay_> then I get a Kdialog that prompts the name of the file
[04:12] <jay_> end of story
[04:12] <luca> rymo_: exactly, what does it tell to you when it says "error"?
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> iso only, that's a linux thing
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> acetone will convert it for you though
[04:13] <rymo_> init: unable to execute "/bin/sh" for rcS: No such file or direcotry
[04:13] <jay_> same thing happens with iso
[04:13] <Daisuke_Ido> are you using acetoneiso?
[04:13] <rymo_> init: rcS main process (2458_ terminated with status 255
[04:13] <rymo_> that's all
[04:13] <Daisuke_Ido> in the software itself, i mean
[04:13] <Will> luca and nixternal: I think my prayers failed, because now I don't get the graphical login at all...
[04:14] <Rebecca> hey peoples. does anyone know a make/model of USB webcam that reliably works under kubuntu?
[04:14] <Will> Also, the installer was visually corrupted as well.
[04:15] <luca> rymo_: "which dash"
[04:15] <rymo_> /bin/dash
[04:15] <rymo_> in live cd..sh is linked to dash..so i thought i would work
[04:15] <luca> Will: take your pc to an exorcist :) ok, reinstall kde
[04:16] <jay_> Hey, no matter what option I choose for mount iso it just prompts the name of the file... just that
[04:16] <Will> luca: how do I do that from the console?
[04:16] <luca> rymo_: mm. try to do again "sudo rm -f /bin/sh", "sudo ln -s /bin/dash"
[04:17] <rymo_> luca: you mean /mnt/sda/bin/sh ...right?
[04:17] <luca> Will: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kde
[04:17] <luca> Will: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-desktop
[04:17] <luca> sry
[04:18] <Will> luca: thanks, I will try it.
[04:18] <luca> rymo_: why /mnt/sda?
[04:18] <rymo_> cause from live cd i need to get to hdd ..so i do it this way
[04:18] <timfly> has anybody an idea if it is possible to use knetworkmanger and an additional wpa_supplicant.conf
[04:18] <luca> rymo_: ah, you aren't doing a normal install
[04:19] <rymo_> no..i want to avoid many hours of updaiting :(
[04:19] <rymo_> i had a good system..but i changed that stupid link
[04:19] <rymo_> and i want it back :(
[04:20] <luca> rymo_: mmm... so let me guess: you did install for the first time, you spent days for updating, but the system didn't work, so you're trying to reinstall but also avoid to update all?
[04:21] <luca> rymo_: ok now i have understood
[04:21] <rymo_> luca: i installed edgy...than kubuntu..than 7.04... but i had some problems with cpu..so i wanted to compile new kernel..so i installed some stuff and changed that stupid link
[04:21] <Will> luca: it is still broken.
[04:21] <bobdhicks> New problem from newbie. This morning I managed to get on #kubuntu through Konversation. When I tried to get other url's, received message could not connect to server. The worked on trying to get wifi to work. Went back to irc, still could not connect. Tried rebooting. Now, lost irc, no connect. I am directly connected by wire to internet. Nothing is working. Any suggestions. Using 6.10
[04:22] <luca> rymo_: argh! well, is the hard disk mounted correctly?
[04:22] <hnsn> hello
[04:22] <rymo_> yeah ..i think so.... :)
[04:23] <rymo_> i restarted notebook and mounted once again..and link was fine (i think so)
[04:23] <luca> Will: ... i thought that reinstalling the whole kubuntu should take a very large amount of time
[04:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[04:23] <rymo_> used mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/hda
[04:23] <rymo_> i think..it's quite good command :) ..than umounted..
[04:23] <Will> luca: it was very fast, actually.
[04:23] <luca> rymo_: can you open the /mnt/hda directory and see its content?
[04:24] <Will> luca: but since I know something is wrong with it already, it wouldn't be surprising that it didn't do what I wanted. :(
[04:24] <rymo_> w8...i need to mount it
[04:25] <rymo_> luca: yeah i see content
[04:25] <luca> Will: no, the shell works until you bomb it with tsar bombas (scorched3d :)) --> like rymo_ did!
[04:25] <Will> luca: ok so I need to bomb my shell... ;)
[04:26] <luca> Will: well now i'm short of ideas... let me google a little
[04:26] <luca> rymo_: and can you see the directory where the sh link is supposed to be? woah, another idea: we may chroot in sda
[04:27] <Will> luca: on the flip side, I am so used to reinstalling my OS every 3 months or so that I can survive reinstalling KUbuntu again...
[04:27] <Will> luca: I still don't want to though. lol
[04:27] <luca> Will: it woud be a defeat of human brain against evil machine
[04:28] <rymo_> luca: sh is in bin
[04:28] <luca> rymo_: and is it a link? linked to?
[04:28] <rymo_> how to check it from consol?
[04:29] <luca> duh duh duh
[04:29] <rymo_> i always use nautilus xD
[04:29] <rymo_> fine..second :)
[04:30] <luca> ok: hard way
[04:30] <rymo_> luca: it targets /mnt/hda/bin/dahs
[04:30] <rymo_> dash..
[04:30] <luca> daHs?
[04:31] <rymo_> misstyped on keyboard../bin/dash
[04:31] <luca> ok, and does that dash actually exist?
[04:31] <rymo_> maybe that's problem...maybe hdd instalation searches for mnt/hda....
[04:31] <rymo_> yup
[04:32] <luca> ....
[04:32] <luca> ok, listen: we try not to reinstall -> so we try to repair the existing -> so we chroot into the existing and fix it up
[04:33] <luca> first of all: log in as root with "sudo su"
[04:33] <luca> second: "chroot /mnt/hda"
[04:34] <luca> and you'll be on your broken system as root
[04:34] <rymo_> i think i fixed it
[04:35] <luca> from there you can downgrade to edgy by changing all "feisty".....ok
[04:35] <rymo_> yeah..i fixed it
[04:35] <luca> smarter than me. how did you do it?
[04:35] <rymo_> as i said... hdd was searching for /mnt/hda....
[04:35] <rymo_> so i needed to change link from /mnt/hda/bin/dash
[04:35] <luca> so you did...?
[04:35] <rymo_> to /bin/dash
[04:35] <luca> ok
[04:36] <rymo_> thx for links and help :)
[04:36] <rymo_> now i can get back to making kubuntu able to use cpu scalling
[04:36] <rymo_> cause it's my biggest problem :/
[04:37] <luca> rymo_: i suggest to search google for acpi on asus
[04:37] <rymo_> yeah...as i said..thx for links ;)
[04:37] <luca> Will: r u always there?
[04:37] <rymo_> thay showed me asus-acpi
[04:37] <rymo_> :)
[04:37] <rymo_>  they
[04:37] <Will> luca: I am usually there... ?
[04:38] <luca> Will: well, are you STILL there... sorry i am not anglosaxon
[04:39] <Will> luca: I ams till here. I was joking, referring to the fact that I might not be all there mentally all the time. :)
[04:40] <luca> Will: ...well, 1) fluxbox did not work, 2) reinstalling kubuntu broke kdm
[04:40] <Will> luca: yes, I think so
[04:41] <luca> when you reinstalled kubuntu, did it pick many packages or only the kubuntu-desktop?
[04:42] <Will> just the desktop
[04:42] <Cosmo_> damn hippies and their nature photo wallpapers
[04:42] <Cosmo_> =)
[04:43] <luca> ok, it is only a metapackage and didn't reinstall all. Then can you reinstall kdm please?
[04:44] <Cosmo_> ok this temp sensor on my motherboard is definatly psycho, first it was reading 261.5 F now its reading -54.4F
[04:44] <luca> Cosmo_: I agree, personally i think that Cameron Diaz is way more good-looking than a daisy with a bee flying upon it
[04:44] <pollyo> Is there a reinstall option for apt-get ?
[04:45] <Cosmo_> luca: exactly
[04:45] <abattoir> pollyo: 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package>'
[04:45] <luca> pollyo: sure. apt-get --reinstall install something
[04:45] <pollyo> Thank you.
[04:48] <Will> luca: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdm ?
[04:48] <luca> Will: i think so
[04:48] <pollyo> Will: No.
[04:49] <luca> i'm not sure :)
[04:50] <luca> from google, how to remove and reinstall kde: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2003/06/msg00272.html
[04:50] <angasule> does anybody know how to force keytouch to *not* handle a certain key? since keytouch can only handle 4 virtual desktops and I have 5, I need one key to be handled by KDE directly...
[04:50] <Will> pollyo: Better ideas?
[04:50] <Daisuke_Ido> luca: not KDE, kdm
[04:51] <pollyo> Will: Doesn't Kubuntu have a specific set of options it installs for KDE?
[04:51] <Will> pollyo: I don't really know.
[04:51] <luca> Daisuke_Ido: kdm worked before, i was assuming
[04:51] <Will> pollyo: I was primarilty a gentoo and windows user before. this is my first KUbuntu install.
[04:52] <pollyo> Will: I think it is kubuntu-desktop or something like that in adept.
[04:52] <pollyo> Will: What are you encountering?
[04:52] <Will> pollyo: I cannot get to adept, console login only.
[04:52] <Will> Well, it started: I think something has gone wrong with my X server. I was trying to play Doom 2 through wine, then it crashed and changed the resolution of my screen. So when I was trying to change it back, it crashed completely (black screen with fuzzy lines in middle). When I reset, I just see a background image, with no windows, menus, etc. Any ideas on how to fix this logging into console?
[04:53] <pollyo> Will: No graphcis? What type of video card do you have?
[04:53] <Will> But then I tried fluxbox, it didn't work either. So I reinstalled kubuntu-desktop after reconfiguring it and now  I don't get the graphical login.
[04:53] <luca> ........video card!!! maybe
[04:53] <Will> pollyo: I have NVidea Geforce 3
[04:54] <pollyo> Anyone good with video cards?
[04:54] <pollyo> Would that be a legacy?
[04:54] <Will> pollyo: but I was getting graphics, just no windows
[04:54] <pollyo> Will: You go the splash screen or more then that?
[04:55] <luca> i'm with nvifia geforce fx 5500... well it isn't a bad idea since now you aren't getting graphics... startx returns an error?
[04:55] <Will> pollyo: I was get past the splashe
[04:55] <jay_> Anyone know why mountiso just prompts the name of the file when I choose "Mount Image"
[04:55] <jay_> ?
[04:55] <Will> luca I will try it.
[04:55] <pollyo> Will: Did you get a blinking cursor instead of the login name and password screen?
[04:55] <Will> fatal error no screens found
[04:55] <Will> pollyo: no
[04:56] <Will> pollyo: I get a login name and password screen in console.
[04:56] <Will> pollyo: but I used to get a graphical login.
[04:56] <pollyo> Will: Yes but no graphical login screen.
[04:56] <Will> pollyo: yes, no graphical login screen.
[04:56] <pollyo> Will: I suspect your video card is not configured correctly.
[04:57] <Will> pollyo: I suspect many things aren't configured correctly at this point. :)
[04:57] <Sharketor> hi all
[04:57] <pollyo> Anyone recall the reconfigure command for xorg?
[04:57] <luca> Will: hmm you can try using the vesa driver
[04:57] <Sharketor> someone could suggest me a web form filler for kubuntu?
[04:57] <luca> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:57] <pollyo> luca:Thanks.
[04:57] <luca> but i think he did it be4
[04:58] <pollyo> Will: You may have the incorrect package for your video card.
[04:58] <pollyo> Will: I think they have three packages for nvidia now.
[04:58] <pollyo> Will: You might want to try vesa just to see if you can get graphical login back and then look more into the nvidia setup.
[04:59] <luca> do it again and select the vesa driver, it works for all video cards. If the login screen appears and you login in kde then it's a video card problem, if not it's a kde problem....
[04:59] <Will> pollyoand luca: I reconfigured, this time I selected NV , last time was vesa
[04:59] <Will> now I can startd
[04:59] <Will> startx even
[04:59] <luca> no errors, graphical login?
[05:00] <Will> it looks like I may be up and running... hold on let me look
[05:00] <luca> ok
[05:01] <voicu> what's a good program for playing dvds copied to the harddrive?
[05:02] <voicu> vlc doesn't work and kaffeine is having another bad day or something
[05:02] <luca> voicu: i assume you have an iso mounted?
[05:02] <voicu> no
[05:02] <voicu> it's copied raw
[05:02] <voicu> the video_ts directory
[05:03] <voicu> (wasn't me, it's a torrent)
[05:03] <luca> i'm not expert of dvd formats... do you have the libdvdcss, libdvdread library or sth similar?
[05:03] <voicu> i tried playing the VIDEO_TS.VOB file but it's just flashing the menius and i can't select the correct language and subtitle
[05:04] <voicu> lemme see
[05:05] <voicu> i have a libdvdnav package that says it can use the menus in the dvds
[05:05] <pollyo> Any have an idea why my firefox might be locking up?
[05:05] <voicu> vlc depends on this
[05:06] <voicu> oh wait, the torrent didn't finish
[05:06] <voicu> i think that's the problem :P
[05:06] <luca> voicu: did you try it before?
[05:06] <voicu> vlc?
[05:06] <voicu> with dvds no
[05:06] <intelikey> disismolikeit
[05:06] <intelikey> -/+ buffers/cache:          7        242
[05:06] <blekos> could u tell me what is "dirty volume mount"?
[05:07] <bobdhicks> Problem with internet connection. Using Konversation for irc. Could not connect to url's. Error "Server Not Found". Tried other browsers. Didn't work. Tried rebooting. Now can't use irc or other browsers. Any suggestions, please.
[05:07] <intelikey> a modern ubuntu linux running in less than 8m of ram   :)
[05:07] <Will> pollyo and luca I think it is working, if so I will be back on my kubuntu box as willluongo
[05:07] <luca> voicu: playing dvds not as an iso but as..now is
[05:08] <voicu> no, it's the first time on linux
[05:08] <pollyo> Will: Ok. Talk to you soon.
[05:08] <intelikey> blekos dirty is normally a referance to the fs not being umounted properly.
[05:08] <voicu> i have been using linux for an year
[05:08] <luca> voicu: any result from google?
[05:09] <voicu> i found something on vlc
[05:09] <voicu> something like i need a library
[05:09] <voicu> i'll try that
[05:09] <luca> bobdhicks: did you set up your network settings properly?
[05:09] <luca> voicu: maybe that's it
[05:11] <kai> is there a way to go back to kubuntu 6.1 from 7.04?
[05:11] <bobdhicks> Everything's been working for over a week. The problem started this morning.
[05:11] <intelikey> kai yep.  reload
[05:11] <lele> please help!
[05:11] <kai> really
[05:11] <kai> man
[05:12] <intelikey> kai upgrading is supported.  down grading is not.
[05:12] <luca> kai: yes, you can either 1) substitute "feisty" with "edgy" in your sources.list or 2) wait till the 19 of this month when feisty will be released
[05:13] <luca> kai: what's your problem now?
[05:13] <lele> ehi? anybody can help?
[05:13] <luca> lele: va bene, dimmi che problema hai :)
[05:13] <lele> wow grande luce
[05:13] <kai> intelikey: oh no
[05:14] <lele> in privato?
[05:14] <kai> luca: Its just not what i thought i'd be, I may wait a few months first, why you sait like that?
[05:15] <lele> luca sono un super newbie....
[05:15] <luca> lele: no vai pure qui, e se puoi usa l'inglese (la prox volta d subito il problema per)
[05:15] <intelikey> kai i think he mis read your Q
[05:15] <WillLuongo> luca and pollyo: Thank you for all your help! I am up and running, and I have 1280 x 1024 back (which I lost when I upgraded to edgy). Thanks again!
[05:15] <lele> english...
[05:15] <luca> kai: huh, you want to go back to edgy?
[05:16] <kai> yea
[05:16] <luca> WillLuongo: happy to hear that :)
[05:16] <lele> ok.... i can install the programs pretty well, but i can't start them!! i guess it's really easy but i just put kubuntu on and i don't know how to do...
[05:16] <intelikey> c see si
[05:17] <kai> I can'teven use operA
[05:17] <luca> kai: when i did it, i put "edgy" instead of "feisty" in my /etc/apt/sources.list and then "upgraded"
[05:17] <luca> kai: maybe it's not the correct way
[05:18] <lele> luca???
[05:18] <intelikey> luca and what did it "upgrade" ?    nothing i would assume.
[05:18] <kai> Thats what I did, the only thing I put in m repo list was the the on for me to upgrade
[05:18] <luca> lele: it's like window$... you have to click on the place where you normally find the "start" button
[05:20] <lele> ok, but when i go to the "start" i can't find the apps i installed...
[05:20] <luca> intelikey: at that time, i was upgrading from dapper to edgy. it didn't succeed, so i did as i said to revert back to dapper, i had my dapper packages again and did a correct upgrade to edgy
[05:20] <luca> lele: name an app you want
[05:21] <pollyo> Would installing additional desktops (edubuntu, ubuntu, etc) cause any type of conflict in firefox?
[05:21] <luca> pollyo: i dont think so, the firefox package should be common for all ubuntu flavours
[05:22] <pollyo> Is there a way to check my dependency requrements?
[05:22] <intelikey> pollyo shoulsn't.    but there is the chance i guess.
[05:23] <pollyo> intelikey: Since installing them I my firefox now locks up.
[05:23] <luca> pollyo: if some dependency is broken or so, you could run "apt-get -f install" to fix... my guess
[05:23] <intelikey> pollyo sudo apt-get install -f
[05:23] <pollyo> intelikey: I did a reinstall of firefox.
[05:23] <lele> luca: for example i just installed netspeed...from the universe...
[05:24] <lele> how can i start it?
[05:24] <luca> lele: let me see wnat's it
[05:24] <WillLuongo> Is there a way to set numlock to default on?
[05:24] <luca> lele: anyway every program can be started from konsole, just type "netspeed"
[05:24] <wolferine> WillLuongo,  in your services
[05:24] <jhutchins> !info netspeed
[05:24] <ubotu> netspeed: Traffic monitor applet for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 271 kB, installed size 816 kB
[05:24] <luca> WillLuongo: i think it's in the control center->keyboard settings
[05:25] <WillLuongo> thanks luca!
[05:25] <wolferine> morning jhutchins
[05:25] <jhutchins> Morning.
[05:25] <jhutchins> (Yes, it's morning here too, though it's nearly 3:30 in Hampshire.)
[05:26] <wolferine> (ok) :)
[05:26] <intelikey> pollyo as i said.   "it shouldn't cause issues"     there is no known reason for that to cause issues.   but install multipel     *buntu-desktop  packages is in my openion not a good idea.    if you have ubuntu-desktop and want kde, don't install kubuntu-desktop, install kde    if you have kubuntu-desktop and want gnome   install gnome  ....
[05:26] <Davido> hey, what's going on with all the news announcements on ubuntu..com?
[05:27] <luca> lele: hum it's an applet if i'm not mistaken, it should run in the tray
[05:27] <soomon> hi, i finally got cd-emu compiled after some problems, but not when i execute it it sais "can't connect to daemon" i don't know how to start that daemon -.-' can anyone tell me?
[05:27] <lele> thanks luca... i could start it...
[05:27] <lele> byez
[05:27] <luca> ciao
[05:27] <pollyo> intelikey: I'll have to work on that... I selected the ubuntu-desktop. <grin>
[05:28] <pollyo> intelikey: And the edubuntu.
[05:28] <intelikey> yes it's often sujested in here   but not by me.
[05:28] <pollyo> intelikey: It will give me something to look into for the next few days.  (And remember when I go to install this on my main computer)
[05:28] <luca> pollyo: just curious, how many text editor programs do you have now? xD
[05:28] <Davido> is ubuntu 7.04 already released, or tomorow or thursday?
[05:29] <pollyo> luca: I suspect I must have close to 100 (without looking)
[05:29] <luca> Davido: i think it will be the 19
[05:29] <soomon> yesterday there only was a beta
[05:29] <soomon> but it runs nice :)
[05:29] <pollyo> brb
[05:30] <luca> pollyo: when i did install KDE on Debian i only installed kde-core, so the apps are only gnome apps... instyead of installing all the kde apps
[05:30] <Davido> ok, I think I misread this headline http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntudesktop704, to me it looked like the just realesed but I couldn't find a download for 7.04
[05:30] <soomon> i finally got cd-emu compiled after some problems, but not when i execute it it sais "can't connect to daemon" i don't know how to start that daemon -.-' can anyone tell me?
[05:30] <luca> Davido: do u havbe edgy?
[05:31] <soomon> i have feisty
[05:31] <luca> soomon: i can't help you on that, i don't know cd-emu
[05:31] <soomon> damn :/
[05:31] <intelikey> soomon generally    sudo /etc/init.d/<daemon-name> start
[05:31] <jhutchins> Feisty is still #ubuntu+1, there were hints last week that the April 19 target may be missed due to major breakage, including kernel and hardware support issues.
[05:31] <Davido> luca: no, dappers here, but I don't know if I will use edgy or etch (debian), I prefer ubuntu because it has newer apps, but debian because it doesn't install nonfree software by default
[05:32] <soomon> well.. i tried.. there is none :/
[05:33] <Davido> but I think i will try edgy when it's released
[05:33] <luca> Davido: nonfree software in ubuntu? O.o
[05:33] <luca> Davido: edgy is the current stable ubuntu version
[05:33] <jhutchins> soomon: You shouldn't be compiling software at this stage, but in any case look in the documentation.  At the very least there should be README and INSTALL files in the root of the tar.gz, and there should be more documentation included in the package, including man pages.
[05:33] <luca> next one is feisty
[05:33] <intelikey> luca yes and by defauult
[05:34] <kubuntu22> Thought is was Gutsy Gibbon
[05:34] <intelikey> luca everything in "restricted" is non-free
[05:34] <luca> intelikey: thanks, i didn't knew it
[05:34] <Davido> luca: Owh yeah I'm not good with code names, did Mark choose that name on purpuse to make it extra confusing with the debain name
[05:34] <intelikey> and some in multiverse
[05:34] <jhutchins> kubuntu22: GG will be the next ubuntu+1 onece Feisty Fawn is realeased.
[05:35] <luca> intelikey: ok so the solution to davido's ethic problem would be to cancel the restricted line and not to enable multiverse
[05:35] <intelikey> luca yes
[05:35] <Davido> luca: yeah, but I think when a distro calls itself completely free it should only install free software by default
[05:35] <jhutchins> Isn't there some option during install to do that?
[05:36] <intelikey> luca but that is not a perfect solution.   some things in multiverse are FOSS indeed so you cancel them too....
[05:36] <Davido> I for intance don't have a problem with lindows or linspire, they also install nonfree but they don't hide it
[05:36] <soomon> jhutchins: i did what the manual tells me :/
[05:37] <luca> Davido: i have installed Debian etch on my home server, personally I like Ubuntu because it does well what i want, i'm not an ethic kind of person provided you don't drug my pc with bugs
[05:37] <Cosmo_> I downloaded the .debs for my brother 1840c printer since it is not on the list that comes up when adding a printer, but when I install the .deb it still doesn't come up on the list. What am I doing wrong?
[05:37] <Davido> for instance the name multiverse is stupid, of course it's true that the stuff in there is multimedia stuff but the reason it's in there is because it's nonfree and not because it's media stuff, I think this is done to cover up it's nonfree
[05:38] <luca> intelikey: but FOSS isn't supposed to go in the universe?
[05:38] <jhutchins> Cosmo_: Installing debian software on ubuntu, which means it doesn't go in the right place.
[05:38] <intelikey> Davido it's not an "illeagle" install of non-free software.  (speaking of restricted)  it's just the fact that it's not free open sourse software
[05:38] <Cosmo_> jhutchins: so how do I get it in the right place?
[05:39] <jhutchins> Cosmo_: I suppose you read the cups doccumentation and find out what it's looking for and where.
[05:39] <intelikey> luca yes supposed,   but there can be reasons that it remains in multi.
[05:39] <Davido> intelikey: yes but what sets the multiverse repo apart is that the stuff in there is nonfree, so why isn't it called nonfree
[05:40] <luca> ...speaking of printers: anyone knows a way to install the "olivetti artjet 22" drivers? I didn't find them for Linux, and a way to install the Windows ones...
[05:40] <patrick_> I have a question about firefox 2.0 in Kubuntu
[05:40] <intelikey> Davido idk.  i had nothing to do with naming things.
[05:40] <luca> patrick_: go on
[05:40] <Davido> intelikey: ok, I understand that
[05:41] <Davido> oop gotta go, bye
[05:41] <patrick_> Is there anyone know why I could not use the keyboard input in xwindow environment after clear the private data in Firefox 2.0...But I could log-in in xserver
[05:42] <intelikey> patrick_ sounds like a bug  to me.
[05:42] <intelikey> !bug
[05:42] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:43] <pollyo> Ok.  My firefox is working once again.
[05:43] <luca> ...i'm off playing enemy-territory. bye
[05:43] <intelikey> pollyo cure ?
[05:43] <patrick_> Yes... it was the second time occured in kubuntu !!! The final solution was the re-install the OS !!!
[05:44] <intelikey> crude but affective patrick_
[05:44] <pollyo> intelikey: I'm not sure.  Perhaps it was one of the packages it removed when I did that apt-get command for the dependencies.
[05:44] <pollyo> intelikey: But the reboot might have also helped.
[05:45] <intelikey> pollyo probably the apt-get
[05:45] <pollyo> intelikey: I agree.
[05:46] <intelikey> *NOTICE*  this is not that M$ reboot OS.   this is linux, and the only time a reboot is required is to load a different kernel!       (although some beginers find it easier to reboot than to cycle runlevels)
[05:48] <pollyo> intelikey: Do you have a website that discussess "cycle runlevels"
[05:49] <intelikey> pollyo no.      sudo init 1        when it's done     init 2
[05:49] <pollyo> intelikey: Ok. Thanks.
[05:52] <pollyo> Adobe is coming with a media player.  I hope they come out with one that works on linux as well.
[05:52] <rymo_> aPod? xD
[05:53] <MinceR> the Lagged Video Player.
[05:53] <pollyo> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31628/98/
[05:53] <MinceR> lag between audio and video will be guaranteed to be at least 2 seconds!
[05:54] <MinceR> guaranteed to use at least 90% of cpu time!
[05:54] <pollyo> "with support for Linux to follow later."
[05:54] <rymo_> damn...huge player
[05:54] <rymo_> even on windows i use small :/
[05:55] <intelikey> guaranteed to only work on the very newest hardware.
[05:55] <MinceR> and every fifth version will even run under linux.
[05:55] <pollyo> At least they mention support for it.
[05:55] <rymo_> but only under mandrake 9 :P
[05:55] <intelikey> with special driver
[05:56] <pollyo> It is a step in the linux direction.
[05:56] <intelikey> rymo_ mdk 9   :)    i like that release.
[05:56] <pollyo> If they ever release the version.
[05:56] <rymo_> xD
[05:58] <rymo_> wine won't be usefull?
[05:59] <pollyo> rymo_: Only for drinking.
[05:59] <rymo_> so i'm happy :)
[05:59] <rymo_> you see i'm directx programmer ...so i don't know linux too much xD
[06:01] <Kyral> Eewwwww DirectX
[06:06] <ricach> Hello.how do I install audio output correctly in Kubuntu?
[06:06] <Cosmo_> which would be better to install from a .deb or .rpm?
[06:07] <intelikey> !packages | Cosmo_
[06:07] <ubotu> Cosmo_: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[06:07] <pollyo> ricach: I know that K -> System Settings has information on your sound setup.  I am not sure of additional packages though.
[06:08] <intelikey> !Adept | Cosmo_
[06:08] <ubotu> Cosmo_: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:08] <intelikey> !repos | Cosmo_
[06:08] <the_hammer> !beyrl
[06:08] <ubotu> Cosmo_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beyrl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:08] <Cosmo_> except it's not available in adept
[06:08] <the_hammer> !beryl
[06:08] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:09] <intelikey> Cosmo_ package name ?
[06:09] <pollyo> Does anyone know of a hardware site that reviews hardware support?
[06:10] <intelikey> pollyo i think i've ran accross one or two.   google.com/linux   search.
[06:10] <pollyo> intelikey: I came across one or two as well.
[06:11] <pollyo> intelikey: I was looking for something more like a magazine (in a website)
[06:11] <Cosmo_> intelikey: either brmfcfaxlpd-1.0.0-1.i386.deb or brmfcfaxlpd-1.0.0-1.i386.rpm
[06:11] <intelikey> !info brmfcfaxlpd
[06:11] <ubotu> Package brmfcfaxlpd does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:12] <pollyo> intelikey: Will the package information change on the 19th as well?
[06:12] <pollyo> intelikey: This will become a feisty room of sorts?
[06:12] <intelikey> pollyo possably.
[06:12] <intelikey> and yes
[06:13] <Cosmo_> its a brother fax/printer that I am trying to get installed (I'm not the one that bought it)
[06:13] <intelikey> Cosmo_ you can try the .deb      sudo dpkg -i /full/path/to/brmfcfaxlpd-1.0.0-1.i386.deb
[06:13] <Cosmo_> those are the only drivers I can find on the brother website
[06:13] <Cosmo_> intelikey: thanks
[06:14] <pollyo> Cosmo_: What is the printer name/number?
[06:14] <intelikey> ah yes more non-free propritary patented licensed pay before you play crap....
[06:14] <Cosmo_> intellifax 1840C
[06:14] <Cosmo_> brother
[06:14] <intelikey> pollyo it's a brother all in one.      brother.com
[06:15] <johnson> hi
[06:16] <intelikey>  Doorsanchar Sadan  ?
[06:16] <alexicon> anyone here use mpd??
[06:19] <intelikey> ! i
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:21] <pollyo> intelikey: They have nothing about it on linuxprinting.org
[06:22] <pollyo> intelikey: I do not know how up to date the database is there.
[06:22] <cloakable> Has anyone managed to get a reliable connection with a P900 phone and Kubuntu Edgy?
[06:24] <intelikey> pollyo i have no joy with brother products.
[06:27] <pollyo> intelikey: I feel the same way about lexmark.
[06:27] <pollyo> intelikey: At the very least brother appears to have a good amount of drivers "listed" for linux. (I have no idea about how current they are though)
[06:27] <jhutchins> I have a brother printer running, but it seems to have killed openoffice.
[06:29] <YbeddyJ> hey how can i create a theme that also includes the look shape and feel of the menu/task bar (panel)
[06:30] <toko123> i'm running 5.10 is there a way to upgrade this machine?
[06:31] <abattoir> toko123: it's not really advisable to skip upgrades, afaik
[06:31] <abattoir> toko123: so i thing you should do 5.10->6.06->6.10-> etc.
[06:31] <abattoir> (hope someone corrects me if i'm wrong)
[06:31] <abattoir> *think
[06:31] <fdoving> abattoir: correct :)
[06:31] <abattoir> hi fdoving :)
[06:31] <fdoving> hi :)
[06:32] <atidem> hi!
[06:32] <abattoir> YbeddyJ: what type of theme are you talking about?
[06:32] <intelikey> toko123 chance all word "breezy" to "dapper"  in the /etc/apt/sources.list   and do   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:34] <abattoir> YbeddyJ: the look/feel of the menu/taskbar is generally controlled by the widget style
[06:34] <abattoir> YbeddyJ: for the taskbar, you could use images/make it translucent(with a colour hint)
[06:36] <pollyo> Do they have a theme website for kde?  Do they have an application that will allow you to browse additional themese and download them similar to what they have for backgrounds?
[06:36] <toko123> intelikey: would it less time consimming to burn a 7.10 disk? and fresh install
[06:36] <abattoir> pollyo: http://www.kde-look.org
[06:36] <toko123> this is a fresh install i'm working with
[06:36] <pollyo> abattoir: Thank you.
[06:37] <Iwonder|too> pollyo: look on kde site or in k control panel,themes get new themes
[06:37] <intelikey> quick Q is it a bad idea to soak a celaron chip in alcahol ?
[06:37] <intelikey> toko123 yes and less band width.
[06:37] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: Under System settings?
[06:38] <toko123> intelikey: thanks
[06:38] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: I do no see a control panel listed in the K
[06:38] <intelikey> toko123 may i sujest a parallel installation.   not replacing the current but adding another until you see how well you like it.
[06:38] <kubuntu22> anyone here have any experience with beryl?  Everytime I start it it crashes on me
[06:38] <abattoir> !beryl | kubuntu22
[06:38] <ubotu> kubuntu22: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:39] <Iwonder|too> pollyo: perhaps k menu,settings?
[06:39] <kubuntu22> abattoir: thanks
[06:40] <kai> how do I find out what version of kubuntu am I running
[06:40] <Iwonder|too> use cat /etc/lsb-release
[06:41] <intelikey> kai  lsb_release -a
[06:41] <intelikey> :)
[06:41] <kai> Iwonder|too: Thahnx
[06:41] <kai> I just finish re-installing
[06:42] <kai> mayb I can get my Ipod to work again
[06:43] <jermain> hi everyone
[06:43] <jermain> !japanese
[06:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about japanese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:43] <jermain> !hiragana
[06:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hiragana - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:43] <LjL> !jp
[06:43] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[06:43] <jermain> :)
[06:43] <LjL> !japanese is <alias> jp
[06:43] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[06:43] <jermain> wel my problem isnt really that i need a japanese chat
[06:43] <jermain> but i wanna know how to
[06:43] <grinreaaper> waht do i do?
[06:44] <jermain> write japanese charsa
[06:44] <jermain> without having to change the locale of the os
[06:44] <LjL> jermain: well, the people in #ubuntu-jp will probably know, so perhaps try asking there in english (or japanese if you know it)
[06:44] <jermain> i'll try :)
[06:44] <jermain> thanks
[06:44] <LjL> jermain: anyway, i'd start with an "apt-cache search input method"
[06:45] <jermain> :o
[06:45] <grinreaaper> also when is kubuntu7.04 comming out?
[06:46] <abattoir> jermain: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Japanese_Input_and_Fonts_in_Ubuntu_7.04
[06:46] <abattoir> jermain: says it's for 7.04, so some instructions might not work, you can ask here, and someone should be able to point you towards the right direction
[06:47] <LjL> grinreaaper: april 19 is the expected date
[06:47] <jermain> abattoir: thnx ill look into that
[06:47] <the_hammer> !beyrl
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beyrl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <the_hammer> !beryl
[06:47] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:49] <kai> I need to run the x11 server to up my rez on my screen, its like dpkg-configure xorg right?
[06:49] <shawn34> !DHT
[06:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dht - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <shawn34> !dht
[06:49] <shawn34> hrm
[06:49] <shawn34> how do i enable dht in ktorrent, what is it for?
[06:50] <abattoir> kai: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:50] <pirothezero> there a list the update manager makes when it installs packages like last packages installed list some where
[06:51] <jermain> Ugh looks hard
[06:51] <ubuntu> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttttttttttttttttttttoooooooooooooooooooo
[06:51] <abattoir> jermain: hmm, pretty sure i didn't go through all that....
[06:52] <jermain> abattoir: ^^ im afraid i might mess up something if i try stuff out
[06:52] <jermain> i feel like a matrix scene when i do ls -R /
[06:52] <abattoir> jermain: wait, let me see if i can recollect what i did exactly...
[06:52] <abattoir> :)
[06:52] <jermain> ^^
[06:53] <kai> abattoir: Thanx
[06:53] <ubuntu> qualcuno che mi aiuta__
[06:53] <abattoir> kai: no problem
[06:53] <abattoir> !es
[06:53] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:53] <kai> Gotta restart now
[06:54] <abattoir> hmmm.. or was that !it? :P
[06:54] <abattoir> !it
[06:54] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:54] <ubuntu> italiani.......nulla
[06:54] <daquino> yessss..
[06:54] <abattoir> aah, scusi
[06:55] <ubuntu> ecco...
[06:55] <daquino> how are you???
[06:55] <ubuntu> casino madornale sta cosa ma velocissimo...
[06:55] <daquino> how are you there??
[06:55] <abattoir> !it | ubuntu
[06:55] <ubotu> ubuntu: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:55] <ubuntu> ehhhh..e come ci vado...
[06:56] <daquino> gud day!!!
[06:56] <daquino> to all of you..
[06:56] <abattoir> hello daquino
[06:56] <abattoir> to you too
[06:56] <daquino> hi!!
[06:56] <daquino> hi abattoir!!
[06:56] <jermain> hi daq
[06:57] <daquino> hello!!
[06:57] <jermain> ^^
[06:57] <daquino> is this an italian room??
[06:57] <superante> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:57] <jermain> !it
[06:57] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:58] <jermain> ^^
[06:58] <daquino> gud day to all of you!!
[06:58] <jermain> to you too!
[06:58] <daquino> hi jermain??
[06:58] <daquino> mabuhay!!
[06:58] <abattoir> jermain: all i have installed is scim, libscim8c2a, scim-qtimm, scim-modules-socket, scim-modules-table, scim-tables-ja
[06:59] <abattoir> jermain: and of course a .UTF-8 locale, so i can read Japanese out-of-the-box
[06:59] <daquino> hiya abattoir??
[07:00] <abattoir> hi daquino, any kubuntu problem that we can try and help you with today? :)
[07:01] <daquino> thanks for your concern abattoir..
[07:01] <jermain> back sorry
[07:01] <daquino> nothing...
[07:01] <jermain> abbatoir: reading japanese is no problem
[07:01] <jermain> but i also want to be able to write letters or emails using japanese characters
[07:02] <daquino> i have no problem with my set up..
[07:02] <abattoir> jermain: yeah, i think you should install the above mentioned packages, along with skim and libskim0
[07:02] <daquino> its all well..
[07:02] <daquino> thanks..
[07:02] <abattoir> daquino: good to hear :)
[07:02] <jermain> I'll give it a shot, thanks :)
[07:02] <abattoir> jermain: then run 'skim' (it should go into your system tray)
[07:03] <daquino> thanks to you guys!!1
[07:03] <daquino> youre all kind and accomodating..
[07:03] <kai> abattoir: can you give me that commanc one more time so I can write it down please
[07:04] <abattoir> jermain: then right click on the input box(mail text window, for example)->Select Input method->scim
[07:04] <daquino> if ever i have a problem with my set up ill type it here.. ok..
[07:04] <daquino> bye..
[07:04] <abattoir> kai: sure, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' and 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' if you want to re-configure every aspect of X, not just the resolution
[07:05] <jermain> ooooo so THAT's what skim is for :)
[07:05] <abattoir> jermain: once you do that, you can now right click on the system tray icon, choose keyboard layout and enter away happily in hiragana, katakana, or kanji :)
[07:05] <jermain> ty ty ^^
[07:05] <abattoir> actually left click
[07:05] <jermain> and if i want to go back
[07:06] <jermain> i just pick xim again right?
[07:06] <abattoir> hmm... scim's what i use
[07:06] <abattoir> you should probably see it after you install those packages
[07:06] <jermain> oh i allready have it
[07:06] <jermain> i just never knew what it did
[07:06] <jermain> -.-
[07:07] <kubuntu22> !info Beryl
[07:07] <ubotu> Package beryl does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[07:08] <abattoir> !beryl | kubuntu22
[07:08] <ubotu> kubuntu22: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:10] <intelikey> skim - smart common input method platform for KDE
[07:18] <SubOne> My printers applet is missing from "System Settings" how can i get to it?
[07:20] <intelikey> kcontrol
[07:21] <SubOne> intelikey: not there either
[07:25] <SubOne> I can't find any way to access my printers. I have no idea where they went, it was in there, now it's gone.
[07:27] <SubOne> i guess i'll try a restart
[07:33] <Ace2016> Hi all
[07:34] <Ace2016> what would happen if you ran "sudo apt-get remove apt dpkg"?
[07:34] <Ace2016> how would you install stuff?
[07:35] <intelikey> it would as you to type in "Yes, I know this is a bad idea"    or  "Yes, do as I say!"
[07:35] <intelikey> and if you did it would uninstall the whole system
[07:35] <Ace2016> really?
[07:35] <Ace2016> cool
[07:37] <D_Cent> hi
[07:38] <D_Cent> a friend gave me an USB-stick from microsoft with important data but my computer doesn't mount it. what can i do?
[07:39] <D_Cent> my other stick does work
[07:39] <intelikey> Ace2016 now    sudo dpkg -P --force-all dpkg    on the other hand would ask no questions and simply remove dpkg and leave you without any way to install anything, unless you had already installed build-essential   then you could compile some things
[07:40] <SubOne> I'm still not seeing any printer applet in "System Settings" or kcontrol
[07:40] <Ace2016> intelikey: well not really, you could just find the debs for apt and dpkg and extract it to the root file system, you might just get away with that
[07:40] <intelikey> Ace2016 dpkg extract without dpkg       come on.
[07:41] <intelikey> apt does nothing without dpkg
[07:42] <psiscape> so, is Feisty really going to be released tomorrow?
[07:42] <psiscape> the bug list looked pretty gruesome
[07:43] <intelikey> Ace2016 oh  you mean cpio extract the archived files     hmmmm
[07:43] <cloakable> O.o
[07:44] <fdoving> intelikey: it's pretty easy to install dpkg again after a dpkg -P. just extract the dpkg .deb to /
[07:45] <intelikey> fdoving yeah.
[07:46] <intelikey> fdoving what command would you use ?
[07:47] <pollyo> Do they have a theme-manager for kde?  Something that will auto download and install themes?  I just tried two themes from kde-look and neither worked.  I'm reading through and see nothing but trouble people are having in attemptint to install the various themese.
[07:48] <fdoving> intelikey, ace2016, 'apt-cache show dpkg|grep ^Filename', that'll give you something like pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu7_i386.deb, then add the mirror url to that, which makes up something like: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu7_i386.deb, wget it. then use 'ar xf dpkg_1.13.22ubuntu7_i386.deb', that'll result in 3 files; control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz and debian-binary, extracting the contents of data.tar.gz to / does it
[07:48] <Ace2016> pollyo: no, themes have to be compiled by you, or you have to get them in .deb form
[07:49] <pollyo> Ace2016: They need a package manager for themes. <grin>
[07:50] <Ace2016> pollyo: i think kde4 will have one, ask in #kde
[07:50] <fdoving> intelikey, ace2016, then after unpacking dpkg you should 'apt-get install dpkg' to give dpkg a clue that itself is installed :)
[07:50] <pollyo> Ace2016: Ok
[07:50] <kubuntu22> It'd definitely make sense to have one!
[07:51] <Ace2016> yup, it would be much easier if new users didn't have to compile their own themes
[07:51] <Ace2016> plus it would be SO much easier to update themes
[07:54] <pavel> helo
[07:55] <Ace2016> Hi all
[07:55] <Ace2016> an someone tell me a command that'll remove duplicate lines from a file
[07:55] <Ace2016> its a text file
[07:56] <kai> how come when I run the xserver config It wont run the rez I want it to?
[07:56] <Ace2016> kai: you mean sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:56] <kai> yes
[07:57] <kai> I run it, I restart my computer but it never runs the rez I want it to and my when i scroll it looks all messed up, like it lags when I scroll
[07:59] <Ace2016> kai: system specs? nvidia or ati drivers being used?
[07:59] <kai> i can't use those drivers, they kill my system
[07:59] <Ace2016> kai: have you tried editing xorg.conf manually? and are you sure the monitor supports the refresh rate?
[07:59] <Ace2016> kai: so i'm guessing its ati, since nvidia users seem to have a pretty easy ride
[07:59] <kai> well it worked fine except when I reloaded ubuntu this time
[08:00] <kai> its nvdia
[08:00] <Ace2016> oh strange
[08:00] <kai> geforce 5600go
[08:00] <Ace2016> updated to the latest drivers?
[08:00] <kai> My video card is odd, its not support any more not even by nvidia
[08:01] <Ace2016> i have a fx5200 yours isn't that old
[08:01] <pollyo> I have the TNT2
[08:02] <kai> when I use the nvia drive it kills my comp
[08:02] <pavel> hi people :)
[08:02] <kai> I tried 4x and it killed my comp 4x
[08:02] <Ace2016> hi
[08:03] <Ace2016> kai: well there isn't much point pushing the refresh rate up wihtout the drivers, since the cpu will be doing all the work, but if you want to, then edit xorg.conf
[08:03] <Ace2016> and make sure the refresh rate is correct
[08:04] <pavel> I can use beryl with binary ati drivers, it is posoble?
[08:05] <jhutchins> !beryl | pavel
[08:05] <ubotu> pavel: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:05] <jhutchins> pavel: Yes, if it's not broken for you.
[08:07] <pavel> so, I use many helps on the internet but i Have one big problem. when I start  xgl server, it is slowly, I have Ati Radeon 9600
[08:10] <pavel> I used for help wiki pages of ubuntu
[08:12] <BadRabbit320> where can i get "GOOD" info on getting my builotin Broadcom wireless to work in Feisty on a Compaq Presario laptop series v5305?  Tried several howtos online, but always get errors...yes, I AM a newbie to linux,but not to computers.
[08:13] <nixternal> BadRabbit320: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:14] <nixternal> look through there for your device. more than likely you will have to use NdisWrapper to get it working
[08:16] <bobstro> Ace2016: you still looking to remove duplicates in your text file?
[08:18] <frojnd> hello what's the difference between ALSA and OSS sound device
[08:18] <pavel> ALSA is better
[08:19] <cloakable> XD
[08:20] <frojnd> So if I use ALSA outgoing conversations with skype will be more cleaner?
[08:20] <frojnd> cause I have fealling that my microphone isn't working fine..
[08:23] <BadRabbit320> nixternal...tried several  methods using ndiswrapper, installed thru synaptic, shows installede but can't get it to accept the windows drivers.
[08:25] <bobstro> BadRabbit320: you extracted the windows files etc.?
[08:25] <bobstro> BadRabbit320: that was the biggest problem i had (broadcom on dell laptop)
[08:29] <BadRabbit320> again; newbie un linux, but as far as I can tell, they extracted...into /etc/src...
[08:30] <BadRabbit320> not sure in linux just WHERE to extract things to.
[08:31] <cskj> hey guys
[08:32] <cskj> i installed this thing kicker kick off n my panel disappeared
[08:32] <cskj> i uninstalled it n still they aren't there
[08:32] <cskj> what do i do??
[08:32] <dettoaltrimenti> hi- when I use bchunk to convert bin/cue files to iso, it always makes 2 iso files- 1 is only a few bytes, the other is full size, and neither will properly mount
[08:32] <Ace2016> dettoaltrimenti: they are not iso files
[08:33] <aaroncampbell> I thought I'd post this here, in case anyone has info on other options/better software.  It's simply my experience starting on Kubuntu (as a Web App Programmer): http://digg.com/linux_unix/A_Web_Developer_s_switch_to_Kubuntu_Feisty
[08:33] <Ace2016> dettoaltrimenti: one is a cue file the other is a bin file
[08:33] <Ace2016> rename the extensions and then it'll mount
[08:33] <cskj> ok can anyone help with my prob now??
[08:33] <aaroncampbell> Including the things that I couldn't really "replace" with linux equivalents
[08:33] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: is that you?
[08:34] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: yes sir
[08:34] <ubuntu> hello
[08:34] <dettoaltrimenti> ace2016- im trying to convert from bin/cue to iso
[08:34] <Horscht86> ok, how can i get a list of open WLAN networks?
[08:35] <Horscht86> kubuntu recognizes my wlan card, but I dont know how to connect it to a network
[08:35] <cskj> doesn't anyone know how to resolve my prob??
[08:37] <Ace2016> dettoaltrimenti: but you said it produced a 2 files both with .iso, it shouldn't be like this, iso should be one large file
[08:37] <Ace2016> dettoaltrimenti: why are you converting it?
[08:39] <mapu> Horscht86 - one potentially easy way is to run wlanassistant
[08:39] <mapu> it's a gui and it is possibly installed by default if you installed with the wifi card in the machine'
[08:39] <dettoaltrimenti> ace2016- ok, so how do I mount bin/cue files in linux
[08:39] <VSpike> kdesktop_lock and nvidia-settings have both started crashing on me all of a sudden... can anyone tell me what I can do to track down the problem?
[08:40] <dwidmann> I've got a question, if anyone happens to know the answer. I've got 5.1 speakers. If I run speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6, when it tests the LFE channel, where should the sound come from?
[08:42] <Horscht86> mapu, this  wlanassistant tool does not seem to be on this Live CD
[08:42] <mapu> ok- looking to see what the "real" name is ..
[08:42] <mapu> brb
[08:42] <Horscht86> I am running winXP (not exactly, right now, running a kubuntu live CD)
[08:42] <Ace2016> dettoaltrimenti: i always use mountiso http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11577
[08:43] <Ace2016> dettoaltrimenti: think it also supports cue/bin files
[08:43] <Horscht86> and now i want to convert to Linux (kubuntu to be more exact), but I want to test it first using this live CD
[08:43] <Horscht86> so i can find out wether my hardware is compatible
[08:43] <cox377> I've got an NTFS external HD
[08:43] <cox377> when i attach it via usb it says
[08:43] <cox377> an unknown error has occured
[08:44] <mapu> Horscht86 - it's wlassistant
[08:44] <mapu> I have been using linux on desktop for about 10-11 yrs.
[08:44] <VSpike> Another wierd thing - when viewing new mail on my IMAP account with kmail, every so often (probably the 1 minute check interval), I see the new messages disappear one by one from the list and then reappear one by one.  It's very annoying!  Is that a config issue?
[08:45] <mapu> my wife has been on windows until this weekend
[08:45] <Horscht86> ah, that onw does exist, thanks mapu
[08:45] <mapu> got a very bad virus- I put my foot down and she is now Kubuntu
[08:45] <mapu> I have found that it will sometimes fail to connect
[08:46] <mapu> at which point- open a terminal and type "sudo ifdown <wirelss card>" and then "sudo ifup <wireless card>"
[08:46] <mapu> and that will usually do it
[08:46] <wolferine> mapu what router?
[08:47] <mapu> typically I have been using a linksys
[08:47] <mapu> if you are not "open" though, you may need to enter your WEP or WPA info into the wlanassistant
[08:47] <wolferine> ok, ever have connection issues in the past?
[08:47] <mapu> I am actually running open
[08:48] <mapu> no- not really-
[08:48] <wolferine> have you recently changed your setup?
[08:48] <cox377> how do i mount an external NTFS HD?
[08:48] <mapu> wife and daughter are wireless on the other side of the house
[08:48] <wolferine> whether it be physically moving things around, or driver updates?
[08:48] <bobstro> aaroncampbell: you can run msie using wine easily with the ise4linux package. i've got msie 5.5 and 6 on my desktop (something tricky to do with windows).
[08:48] <mapu> I also use hyperwrt firwmare
[08:48] <wolferine> !samba  | cox377
[08:48] <ubotu> cox377: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:49] <cox377> wolferine: samba for external HD's?
[08:49] <wolferine> cox377, its one option
[08:50] <wolferine> but writing to NTFS is an entirely different story
[08:50] <cox377> wolferine: i dont wanna write
[08:50] <cox377> just access the data off it
[08:50] <wolferine> then that should be fine
[08:50] <cox377> wolferine: those links are aabout network shares
[08:50] <cox377> not external USB hdd;s
[08:51] <wolferine> oh right, sorry
[08:51] <wolferine> im not focused atm
[08:51] <thernymous> cox377: http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
[08:52] <Horscht86> btw, when running kbuntu from a LIVE CD, is it normal to screw up the image when turning up the resolution?
[08:53] <kingofproblems> hi guys. having a problem installing kubuntu to my hardisk. im on the prepare moujnt points. i got 3 partitions sda1 with xp (media/sda1) sda2 with swap (swap) and sda3 with ext2 (/)
[08:53] <kingofproblems> i hit continue but the program says no root file system
[08:53] <kingofproblems> what im doing wrong?
[08:54] <Ahmuck> kingofproblems: are you manually editing ?
[08:54] <kingofproblems> ahmuck: yes
[08:54] <bobstro> kingofproblems: i had same issue.
[08:54] <Ahmuck> you need to use the edit function and make sure the partition is labled as /
[08:54] <Ahmuck> i just went through this
[08:54] <bobstro> Ahmuck: i had grief with that recently as well when installing to external USB.
[08:55] <Ahmuck> there is a drop down list that will allow you to do this on the manual prep page
[08:55] <bobstro> Ahmuck: in my case, if i changed the ordering at all, it didn't like it. i repeatedly set the desired partition to / and it failed.
[08:55] <Ahmuck> bobstro: external USB, did you get it to work ?
[08:55] <bobstro> Ahmuck: yes, but it was annoying. lots of hit & miss. i already had partitoins on /dev/hda, and was adding new /dev/hdb on removable usb.
[08:56] <kingofproblems> i re-labeled the partition-----  its ok now. thanks
[08:56] <bobstro> Ahmuck: i'd have a hard time explaining exactly what i did. i think i went in to command line, blew away partitons on usb drive and created them with cfdisk, then backed up a few steps and installer took it.
[08:57] <kingofproblems> the program should come with the instruction for that one. ive done this before. adn it was hard to find out.
[08:57] <bobstro> Ahmuck: i recall creating filesystem too. it got confused if i attempted to create a new partition in installer.
[08:57] <Ahmuck> kingofproblems: you did get it though
[08:57] <bobstro> kingofproblems: i agree. it was frustrating.
[08:58] <Ahmuck> kingofproblems: you have to remember, documentation, etc many things are done with volunteers.  write the instructions
[08:58] <kingofproblems> i had to kidnap my girlsfriends laptop!
[08:58] <bobstro> Ahmuck: i'd be happy to if i were sure of my solution! also, tricky for a newbie to do.
[08:58] <bobstro> Ahmuck: i guess it's actually a bug in installer.
[08:59] <dani__> Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 2.6.18-4-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Core2CPU6300@1.86GHz at 2344 MHz (4128 bogomips), , RAM: 19/20MB, 44 proc's, 19.42min up
[09:02] <hristo> i want to tell: SUPER DUPER LINUX :) I dont want anymore windows :)
[09:03] <voicu> hristo: that's great :D
[09:03] <hristo> 10nx m8
[09:03] <hristo> just to ask
[09:03] <voicu> you're on kubuntu?
[09:03] <hristo> yeas
[09:03] <hristo> yes* :)
[09:03] <hristo> voicu i wan to ask u
[09:03] <hristo> the first time
[09:03] <hristo> i start
[09:03] <hristo> kubuntu
[09:04] <hristo> some error message appear
[09:04] <hristo> and
[09:04] <rarochelle_> Anyone know of a site that lists some great apps for ubuntu/kubuntu?  Something better than sifting through 21,000 pkgs
[09:04] <hristo> the second and the third time i start it
[09:04] <hristo> kubuntu
[09:04] <hristo> dont respond
[09:04] <voicu> rarochelle_: you can use "add/remove applications" to select programs and stuff
[09:05] <voicu> hristo: what error message is that?
[09:05] <hristo> i dont notice :) i get used with windows
[09:05] <hristo> :(
[09:05] <rarochelle_> voicu: but with the universe repository enabled there's like 20,000...guess I'm just looking for a "top 20 apps" or somethin
[09:05] <soulrider__> !k3b
[09:05] <voicu> rarochelle_: wait a sec
[09:05] <soulrider__> you can try getdeb.net
[09:05] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[09:06] <soulrider__> kde-apps.org
[09:06] <soulrider__> !k3b
[09:06] <soulrider__> !mp3
[09:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:07] <voicu> hristo: at what moment? after boot, before starting the graphical desktop?
[09:07] <voicu> you need to give some details
[09:08] <hristo> ok i will see now
[09:09] <crazy_penguin> night allt
[09:10] <voicu> rarochelle_: maybe this could help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_KDE_applications
[09:11] <Hc\\> wtf
[09:11] <hristo> voicu
[09:11] <hristo> what skype i have to download
[09:11] <Hc\\> why didnt my laptop read my kubuntu install cd?
[09:11] <rarochelle_> voicu: thanks
[09:11] <Hc\\> can some1 explain me?
[09:12] <voicu> hristo: i think there should be a package built especially for ubuntu
[09:12] <voicu> wat
[09:12] <voicu> *wait
[09:12] <bobstro> Hc\\: is it damaged? did you try on another computer?
[09:12] <voicu> !skype
[09:12] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[09:12] <voicu> hristo: see that
[09:13] <Ahmuck> Hc\\: ?
[09:13] <hristo> 10nx voicu
[09:13] <voicu> np
[09:13] <Hc\\> bobstro problem is
[09:13] <Hc\\> i cant
[09:13] <Hc\\> i got live for 64bit and 32bit
[09:14] <Ahmuck> Hc\\: does it boot live?
[09:14] <Hc\\> i installed my 64bit on my other desktop
[09:14] <Hc\\> Ahmuck atleast at my desktop
[09:14] <Ahmuck> does your other desktop boot the 32bit live ?>
[09:14] <Hc\\> the 64bit one
[09:14] <Ahmuck> does it boot the 32 bit one ?
[09:14] <Hc\\> the 32bit is built same way
[09:14] <Hc\\> but doesnt boot
[09:14] <Hc\\> Ahmuck havent tried on this 1
[09:14] <Ahmuck> you built it, or downloaded the iso ?
[09:15] <Ahmuck> k, you need to try it on this one first
[09:15] <Hc\\> downloaded the iso
[09:15] <Hc\\> n burned as img
[09:15] <Ahmuck> they you will know if there is a problem with the disk
[09:15] <dani> Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 2.6.18-4-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Core2CPU6300@1.86GHz at 2342 MHz (4765 bogomips), , RAM: 16/16MB, 43 proc's, 9.3min up
[09:15] <Hc\\> hmm
[09:15] <Hc\\> desktop
[09:15] <Hc\\> cant be installed on a laptop?
[09:15] <Ahmuck> booting live will not hurt your desktop, and will verify the disk is good
[09:16] <Ahmuck> desktop can be installed on the laptop
[09:16] <Hc\\> ok good
[09:16] <Hc\\> hmm
[09:16] <Hc\\> imma try it on this
[09:16] <wolf_> xscd
[09:16] <Ahmuck> the other option is to use the alternate iso if you can't get this one to boot in your laptop after you have verified the disk is good
[09:16] <Marlboro> salve
[09:16] <bobstro> dani: why are you sending that?
[09:16] <dani> what?
[09:16] <Hc\\> boot
[09:17] <bobstro> dani: the sysinfo. you keep sening the same thing.
[09:17] <bobstro> er, sending
[09:17] <dani> yes only for fun
[09:17] <bobstro> dani: ah fun. just imagine how stupidly useless this channel would be if everyone did that.
[09:18] <dani> :P
[09:18] <dani> Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 2.6.18-4-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Core2CPU6300@1.86GHz at 2342 MHz (4765 bogomips), , RAM: 16/16MB, 43 proc's, 12.25min up
[09:19] <bobstro> dani: what's next? blather about what songs you're listening to? local weather?
[09:19] <dani> only 16mb ram!
[09:19] <bobstro> SFW?
[09:20] <bobstro> are you asking a question or what?
[09:21] <Hc\\> back on laptop
[09:21] <Hc\\> abd it boots at my other desktop
[09:22] <Hc\\> Ahmuck any idea whats wrong?
[09:24] <Ahmuck> Hc\\: how old is your laptop?
[09:24] <Hc\\> umm
[09:24] <Hc\\> idk
[09:24] <Hc\\> i can paste specs of this
[09:24] <Hc\\> if its ok?
[09:25] <Hc\\> (CPU 1) Intel Pentium M processor 1.60GHz (2048KB L2 Cache, X1) @ 1600MHz (100MHz FSB), 0% load
[09:26] <Hc\\> (CPU1) Intel Pentium M processor 1.60GHz @ 1600MHz (ASUSTeK Computer Inc. A6G mainboard) (RAM) 512MB, 166.38MB free (HDDs) 32.4GB, 21.4GB free
[09:26] <Hc\\> (VGA1) ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9700 (64MB), 1280x800x32, 60Hz (OS) Microsoft Windows XP Professional (SP2), 12m 18s uptime, 14h 15m 26s uptime record
[09:26] <Hc\\> there
[09:26] <posingaspopular> !enter
[09:26] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[09:26] <Hc\\> Ahmuck any idea?
[09:27] <Ahmuck> !easysource
[09:27] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:28] <Hc\\> umm?
[09:30] <v6lur> Problem: can't transfer anything to Acme v400x mp4-player from my Kubuntu laptop... (although on its box, there is noted that it supports "Linux 2.4")
[09:30] <v6lur> basically, it just "disconnects" at the beginning of transfer and bagins to charge its battery (it's fully loaded already!)
[09:30] <kingofproblems> i dont get it. i updated kubuntu. restarted and i get error 17 on grub
[09:31] <kingofproblems> ive pased grub before.
[09:31] <bobstro> kingofproblems: are the drives pointed to in grub correct?
[09:31] <kingofproblems> how can i see that?
[09:32] <bobstro> kingofproblems: highlight an option and press 'e', then compare to what they should be (e.g. root).
[09:32] <Hc> pfff
[09:32] <v6lur> tried at a friend's windows-machine, and worked ok there - although, the songs transfered tend to "jump" (don't know a good english word here)
[09:32] <bobstro> kingofproblems: i updated my laptop, and for some reason, those got broken in the process.
[09:32] <Hc> starts windows again -.-
[09:32] <bobstro> Hc: do other cds boot ok?
[09:32] <Hc> bobstro yes
[09:32] <hristo> voicu are u here m8
[09:32] <kingofproblems> i dont get a chasne to press esc. it goes directly to error 17
[09:32] <Hc> on this comp it works fine
[09:32] <bobstro> Hc: an you're trying the 32bit version?
[09:32] <Hc> bobbyd__
[09:32] <bobstro> Hc: trying to boot 32 bit?
[09:32] <Hc> bobstro yes
[09:33] <Hc> tried 64 bits too
[09:33] <Hc> didnt work either
[09:33] <voicu> hristo: yeah
[09:33] <voicu> what
[09:33] <hristo> o
[09:33] <hristo> how i can
[09:33] <hristo> install wine
[09:33] <bobstro> Hc: hmm. nothing comes to mind. did you try safe mode and such?
[09:33] <hristo> on kubuntu
[09:33] <Horscht86> 03:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI <- is this wireless card/chipset supported?
[09:33] <voicu> hristo: open a konsole
[09:33] <hristo> yes
[09:34] <voicu> and write sudo apt-get install wine
[09:34] <voicu> give your password
[09:34] <Hc> bobstro nop
[09:34] <Hc> how to do it?
[09:34] <voicu> and that should be it
[09:34] <hristo> ok voicu
[09:34] <hristo> i will paste
[09:34] <hristo> what appears
[09:34] <hristo> ok ?
[09:34] <rob-west> is KDE4 out yet
[09:34] <chijin> nope
[09:34] <bobstro> Hc: i can't do it right now, but i believe there are safe boot options you can try. or are you even getting to boot options?
[09:34] <voicu> hristo: don't paste here
[09:34] <hristo> where ?
[09:34] <hristo> i am not reg
[09:34] <voicu> anyway, you should paste in case you get error
[09:34] <voicu> s
[09:35] <kingofproblems> anyone. errror 17 at grub. what does it mean?
[09:35] <chijin> !paste | hristo
[09:35] <ubotu> hristo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:35] <hristo> its erroe yeah
[09:35] <voicu> hristo: paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:35] <hristo> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:35] <hristo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:35] <hristo> is only available from another source
[09:35] <hristo> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[09:35] <kingofproblems> ive restarted the program before and the grub functioned normaly
[09:35] <Hc> great
[09:35] <Hc> how stupid of me
[09:35] <voicu> hristo: that means you need to activate the universe repository
[09:35] <Hc> forgot to put to boot from cd -.-
[09:35] <voicu> open an admin editor
[09:35] <hristo> what u talk to me man :P hh i cant isntall wine
[09:35] <voicu> ALT+F2 and write 'kdesu kate'
[09:35] <rob-west> !kde4
[09:36] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[09:36] <hristo> where is that
[09:36] <hristo> k>
[09:36] <Hc> thx bobstro
[09:36] <Hc> =)
[09:36] <bobstro> kingofproblems: i did a quick google, and what i posted before looks like it might be on track.
[09:36] <hristo> voicu: where is that
[09:36] <voicu> hristo: ALT+F2, write 'kdesu kate'
[09:36] <bobstro> Hc: maybe you should boot windows. :)
[09:36] <voicu> that will open kate would admin privileges
[09:36] <Hc> bobstro i booted computer
[09:37] <voicu> so you can edit the sources file for apt
[09:37] <kingofproblems> but it done allow me to press esc to edit... it does the error before the menu
[09:37] <Hc> but forgot to check from where it boots
[09:37] <voicu> hristo: open in kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:37] <hristo> voicu: its says wrong password
[09:37] <kubuntu22> So is feisty being released tomorrow?
[09:38] <voicu> hristo: then type in the right one :P
[09:38] <hristo> voicu: aa open
[09:38] <amidude> anyone getting xserver restarts running opengl apps on edgy? (ie blender 2.42, 2.43)
[09:38] <v6lur> ideas, help anyone?
[09:38] <jhutchins> kubuntu22: Current schedule says Thursday, assuming they got last week's mess cleaned up.
[09:38] <hristo> voicu: is this a notepad :P
[09:38] <kubuntu22> jhutchins: cool.
[09:38] <bobstro> kingofproblems: ah ok. a bit different than what i had. i'm perusing google results.
[09:39] <voicu> hristo: yeah, just that has lots of features
[09:39] <voicu> editor for anything actually
[09:39] <hristo> so i write it
[09:39] <voicu> not *anything* but many stuff :P
[09:39] <hristo> and go to the next row
[09:39] <kingofproblems> it apeared now
[09:39] <kingofproblems> strange
[09:39] <voicu> hristo: huh? open the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:40] <bobstro> kingofproblems: check out http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml and remember what i said before!
[09:40] <kingofproblems> ok im gonna read
[09:40] <hristo> ok
[09:40] <bobstro> kingofproblems: not much to it. no idea *WHY* it happened though, but there ya go.
[09:40] <bobstro> kingofproblems: compare what's in boot lines to actual partitions.
[09:40] <hristo> voicu: in this editor i wirte /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:41] <hristo> and click enter
[09:41] <voicu> yes
[09:41] <hristo> nothing happens
[09:41] <voicu> or you could navigate through the directories... whatever
[09:41] <hristo> nothing happens
[09:41] <voicu> dude, file->open->/etc/apt/sources.list
[09:41] <hristo> i mean
[09:41] <hristo> aa sry
[09:42] <hristo> then
[09:42] <hristo> ...
[09:42] <voicu> you got something that looks like #deb http://blabla.org/ ?
[09:42] <hristo> yeap but its com :P
[09:42] <voicu> if so, uncomment (that is delete the '#' sign) the lines that start with #deb
[09:43] <hristo> # deb http://bg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[09:43] <hristo> # deb-src http://bg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[09:43] <voicu> only the ones with a link
[09:43] <voicu> yeah
[09:43] <voicu> delete the #
[09:43] <hristo> delete it
[09:43] <hristo> two of it
[09:43] <voicu> only 2?
[09:43] <hristo> 6
[09:43] <voicu> oh
[09:43] <voicu> yeah
[09:43] <voicu> good
[09:43] <voicu> now save
[09:44] <hristo> delete 6
[09:44] <hristo> and save ok
[09:44] <hristo> now
[09:44] <voicu> and in the konsole write 'sudo apt-get update'
[09:44] <voicu> after that you will have a large list of packages, including wine
[09:45] <hristo> thats it ?
[09:45] <sdlnxgk> Night everyone gotta get some sleep.. hate working 11pm to 7am at times... Night !!!
[09:45] <voicu> hristo: that will enable you to install wine
[09:45] <hristo> update complete
[09:45] <voicu> you need to sudo apt-get install wine again
[09:45] <hristo> i write
[09:46] <hristo> again
[09:46] <hristo> :(
[09:46] <hristo> package wine
[09:46] <hristo> is
[09:46] <hristo> not available
[09:46] <voicu> no way
[09:46] <voicu> wait
[09:47] <voicu> you probably didn't do something right
[09:47] <voicu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:47] <hristo> of course
[09:47] <hristo> :)
[09:47] <voicu> paste there the sources.list file
[09:47] <voicu> and give me the link
[09:48] <voicu> hristo: you can read it without admin privilegees
[09:48] <hristo> ok ok
[09:48] <hristo> w8
[09:48] <hristo> :)
[09:48] <hristo> what syntax
[09:49] <voicu> doesn't matter
[09:49] <voicu> that just for syntax highlighting
[09:49] <voicu> like when posting a C++ program
[09:49] <hristo> ok
[09:49] <hristo> just to test
[09:49] <hristo> something
[09:49] <hristo> one guys
[09:49] <hristo> tell me to
[09:49] <hristo> write
[09:49] <hristo> sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:50] <voicu> hristo... you could that but that won't install wine
[09:50] <voicu> that will update your already installed packages
[09:51] <voicu> but considering it cannot find wine, you didn't enable the correct repositories
[09:51] <hristo> w8
[09:52] <BadRabbit320> hristo>wine IS available.  in synaptic type 'wine' into the search box.  run the update list first.
[09:52] <Dunpeal> re
[09:53] <hristo> what
[09:53] <hristo> seacrh box
[09:53] <voicu> hristo: if you are using kubuntu, open adept
[09:54] <voicu> but you said it cannot find it so i don't see how that would work
[09:54] <BadRabbit320> dunpeal is right about repositories
[09:54] <hristo> of how to register nick to go to private
[09:54] <hristo> i am so stupid :(
[09:54] <BadRabbit320> add multiverse and seveas repositories
[09:54] <hristo> how to open this adept
[09:54] <hristo> with alt+f2
[09:54] <hristo> ?
[09:55] <voicu> the menu
[09:55] <hristo> then
[09:55] <Dunpeal> forget it! bye
[09:55] <voicu> or ALT+F2 and write 'adept_manager'
[09:55] <voicu> hristo: menu->system
[09:56] <hristo> ok i oppen it
[09:56] <voicu> search for wine
[09:56] <voicu> and if it finds it, right click and install
[09:56] <BadRabbit320> or...K, system, Adept package Manager
[09:57] <hristo> nothing appears when i search for wine
[09:57] <BluesKaj> !wine
[09:57] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:57] <voicu> yep, that was obvious
[09:57] <BluesKaj> !winehttp://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[09:58] <voicu> i said you need to enable the repositories
[09:58] <BadRabbit320> after i put wine on mine, some programs disappeared from several menus
[09:58] <hristo> i will download it
[09:59] <voicu> ok, but it's a good idea to use apt-get
[09:59] <hristo> but
[09:59] <voicu> not 100% necessary
[09:59] <hristo> u see nothing happens
[09:59] <hristo> but 10nx for
[09:59] <hristo> everything guys
[10:00] <hristo> i will return with problem install :P
[10:00] <voicu> did you delete the # for the lines that start with #deb?
[10:00] <voicu> that should have worked
[10:00] <hristo> yes
[10:00] <hristo> i delete 6 rows
[10:00] <voicu> ok
[10:00] <voicu> and did apt-get update work?
[10:01] <cloakable> Does anyone know of a way to get dhclient to notice a change in it's conf file?
[10:02] <hristo> yes
[10:02] <hristo> some updates
[10:02] <hristo> apper
[10:02] <hristo> appear*
[10:02] <hristo> but
[10:02] <hristo> was
[10:02] <hristo> like for 25-30 seconds
[10:02] <voicu> ok, good
[10:02] <voicu> try sudo apt-get install wine
[10:03] <voicu> it _has_ to work
[10:03] <voicu> for anyone
[10:03] <hristo> voicu paste here
[10:04] <hristo> i think
[10:04] <hristo> its really bad now
[10:04] <voicu> ??
[10:04] <hristo> hristo@hristo-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install wine
[10:04] <hristo> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:04] <hristo> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:04] <voicu> oh
[10:04] <voicu> close adept
[10:04] <jbrouhard> Okay.. Anyone tell me how to disable the KDE login, and use console login only ??
[10:04] <voicu> you cannot install with two programs at once
[10:05] <hristo> i think its closed
[10:05] <hristo> where is this
[10:05] <hristo> adept
[10:05] <hristo> its
[10:05] <hristo> oppent
[10:05] <hristo> opend
[10:05] <voicu> didn't you open adept?
[10:05] <hristo> but i cant find
[10:06] <voicu> maybe you changed the desktop?
[10:06] <voicu> or something
[10:06] <jbrouhard> hristo: try in a konsole window: ps aux | grep adept
[10:06] <hristo> ok i close it
[10:06] <jbrouhard> NM then
[10:06] <voicu> now, apt-get install again
[10:06] <hristo> jbrouhard: 10nx anyway
[10:07] <jbrouhard> :)
[10:07] <hristo> the same thing
[10:07] <hristo> hm
[10:07] <hristo> i am big NOOB
[10:07] <voicu> ok
[10:07] <voicu> paste the file on paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:08] <hristo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16013/
[10:09] <voicu> ah
[10:09] <voicu> you meant the same error
[10:09] <voicu> then do what jbrouhard said
[10:09] <BadRabbit320> hristo> i couldn't get wine using the 'sudo apt-get install wine' routine either until I added the seveas repositories
[10:09] <voicu> ps -A|grep adept
[10:10] <voicu> hristo: what output do you get?
[10:10] <hristo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16013/
[10:10] <hristo> ops
[10:10] <hristo> w8
[10:10] <hristo> 5254 ?        00:00:02 adept_notifier
[10:10] <voicu> ok then
[10:10] <voicu> sudo kill 5254
[10:10] <voicu> to close it
[10:11] <voicu> (you need sudo because it's started as admin)
[10:11] <hristo> notnig appears now
[10:11] <voicu> yeah
[10:11] <voicu> now apt-get again
[10:11] <voicu> it should work
[10:11] <hristo> Hahahaha
[10:11] <hristo> the sam error
[10:11] <hristo> damn (sry for the language)
[10:11] <voicu> the same about the lock?
[10:11] <hristo> yes
[10:11] <voicu> then ps -A|grep apt
[10:11] <hristo> ok i will restart
[10:12] <hristo> aa ok
[10:12] <hristo> 6728
[10:12] <hristo> i dont know whats this
[10:12] <voicu> kill it
[10:12] <voicu> sudo kill 6728
[10:12] <hristo> done
[10:12] <voicu> ok, now? :D
[10:12] <voicu> apt-get install..
[10:13] <hristo> w8
[10:13] <hristo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16014/
[10:14] <hristo> look
[10:14] <voicu> aw geez
[10:14] <hristo> upgrade ?
[10:14] <voicu> post the sources.list file to see what you have there
[10:14] <voicu> upgrade doesn't help
[10:14] <voicu> it just upgrades the packages you already have
[10:14] <hristo> sudo /etc/apt/source.list
[10:14] <hristo> ?
[10:14] <hristo> sources
[10:14] <hristo> *
[10:14] <voicu> i advise you to do that but not now:P
[10:15] <hristo> ok
[10:15] <voicu> uh, well, open it in kate or something and copy paste it
[10:15] <hristo> what about the soucres
[10:15] <voicu> you can open it without admin privileges
[10:15] <voicu> just from the menu
[10:15] <voicu> it's read only
[10:16] <hristo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16015/
[10:16] <voicu> hmm
[10:16] <hristo> w8 i have to go to the bath
[10:16] <hristo> :)
[10:16] <voicu> did you use the source-o-matic?
[10:16] <voicu> ok
[10:16] <voicu> have fun
[10:16] <voicu> :P
[10:18] <hristo> here
[10:18] <voicu> ok then
[10:18] <hristo> :)
[10:18] <hristo> source o matic
[10:18] <hristo> no
[10:18] <voicu> the thing you don't have the universe lines in there
[10:18] <voicu> are you sure that all you have?
[10:18] <hristo> yes
[10:18] <voicu> wait, did you delete the entire lines or just the # sign?
[10:19] <hristo> entire
[10:19] <voicu> hehe
[10:19] <hristo> is that a problem
[10:19] <voicu> ok wait a bit
[10:19] <voicu> yeah, you should have left the line without the # sign
[10:19] <hristo> oh
[10:20] <voicu> to enable that specific repository
[10:20] <hristo> now what
[10:20] <voicu> i'll give you a complete file
[10:20] <hristo> ok
[10:20] <hristo> but i am in bg
[10:20] <hristo> is that a problem
[10:20] <hristo> ?
[10:22] <sdf> i want to know how can i install pppoe server in fedora core 6?
[10:22] <sdf> help
[10:22] <angasule> !flash
[10:22] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:22] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:22] <voicu> hristo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16016/
[10:22] <voicu> you can use that just as it is
[10:22] <sdf> help
[10:23] <hristo> oo neighbour :P
[10:23] <voicu> being from bg won't stop you from downloading from ro
[10:23] <voicu> yeah :D
[10:23] <Ahmuck> !easysource
[10:23] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:23] <hristo> voicu: replace everything
[10:23] <hristo> ?
[10:23] <voicu> but if you want you can change the ro.archive in bg.archive
[10:23] <voicu> making it faster
[10:23] <voicu> hristo: yes
[10:23] <sdf> how can i install pppoe in fedora core 6 ?
[10:23] <sdf> help
[10:23] <voicu> Ahmuck: let him learn, it will help him later
[10:24] <voicu> oh shit
[10:24] <hristo> voicu: ok i save it
[10:24] <voicu> hristo: are on dapper?
[10:25] <hristo> dapper ?
[10:25] <voicu> yes, you are
[10:25] <voicu> i'm on a different version
[10:25] <hristo> is that good
[10:25] <hristo> opsy
[10:25] <hristo> :)
[10:25] <hristo> hahaha
[10:25] <voicu> change the edgy part in the links to dapper
[10:25] <voicu> that's all
[10:25] <hristo> example ?
[10:25] <hristo> please
[10:25] <voicu> bg.archive.org ... edgy ... -> bg.archive.org ... dapper ...
[10:26] <voicu> everything else is the same
[10:27] <hristo> ok i save it
[10:28] <voicu> sudo apt-get update
[10:28] <voicu> sudo apt-get install wine
[10:28] <voicu> *fingers crossed* :D
[10:28] <voicu> if update gives some errors never mind them..
[10:30] <hristo> YEAAAAAAAAAAAA
[10:30] <hristo> :)
[10:30] <hristo> 0% of insstall
[10:31] <hristo> 10
[10:31] <hristo> :)
[10:31] <voicu> hehe
[10:31] <hristo> %
[10:31] <voicu> ok then
[10:31] <hristo> oo thank u thank u
[10:31] <hristo> :))))
[10:31] <hristo> so
[10:31] <voicu> you can try the 'add/remove programs' in K menu
[10:31] <voicu> it has lots of programs
[10:31] <voicu> no problem
[10:31] <hristo> one more question :)
[10:31] <hristo> skype
[10:31] <hristo> i download it
[10:31] <hristo> :)
[10:31] <hristo> and its on my desktop
[10:32] <voicu> was it a .deb file?
[10:32] <hristo> skype for debian i down
[10:33] <voicu> you can try sudo dpkg -i "~/Desktop/file.deb"
[10:33] <voicu> you change file.deb with your file
[10:33] <sdf> how can i  compile c++ program in   kubuntu?
[10:33] <sdf> and what is the best compiler for c++ in kubuntu?
[10:33] <voicu> sdf: g++ -o file file.cpp
[10:34] <voicu> -o file will make the resulting file to whatever you wish
[10:34] <sdf> whare can i find the pacage of g++?
[10:34] <voicu> else it will create a file called "a.out"
[10:34] <voicu> sudo apt-get install g++
[10:34] <voicu> or in adept, synaptic
[10:34] <voicu> etc
[10:34] <voicu> it's in the development section
[10:34] <voicu> i think
[10:35] <sdf> E: Couldn't find package g
[10:35] <sdf> this is result
[10:35] <sdf> what do i do?
[10:35] <voicu> put "g++"
[10:36] <sdf> i don t understand
[10:36] <sdf> be clear
[10:36] <voicu> instead of g++ write "g++"
[10:36] <sdf> ok
[10:36] <voicu> because the interpreter splits 'g' from '++'
[10:37] <sdf> i get the same result
[10:37] <sdf> E: Couldn't find package g
[10:38] <voicu> well it works for me
[10:38] <voicu> did you write in konsole?
[10:38] <voicu> what interpreter do you have?
[10:41] <maki> how can i make the mic to turn on if some app need it
[10:41] <hristo> voicu: its says its locked
[10:42] <hristo> by anoter prgores
[10:42] <hristo> ps -a|grep apt ?
[10:43] <voicu> yes
[10:43] <voicu> kill everything that has any connection with packages
[10:43] <voicu> you could try ps -A
[10:43] <hristo> nothing have connection
[10:43] <voicu> oh, it's a big -A
[10:43] <hristo> yes with big A
[10:43] <mikey> hi all
[10:43] <hristo> hi
[10:43] <voicu> write ps -A and see if you find anything
[10:44] <hristo> oooo 100000 procces
[10:44] <mikey> got a problem printing pdf's using Kpdf.  Prints are cutting off the right side of the page.  Happens on 2 different printers
[10:45] <mikey> any ideas?
[10:46] <voicu> sorry, no experience with printers, especially on linux
[10:46] <hristo> voicu: i have 100000000000000 procces :)
[10:46] <hristo> what to do
[10:47] <voicu> hristo: well, just look for something like apt, adept, aptitude, synaptic etc
[10:47] <voicu> worst case scenario: reboot :P
[10:47] <hristo> i will do
[10:47] <hristo> restart
[10:47] <hristo> but
[10:47] <hristo> one fast
[10:47] <hristo> question
[10:48] <voicu> ?
[10:48] <hristo> where is my other partition
[10:48] <hristo> on the hard disk
[10:48] <voicu> oh
[10:48] <hristo> is this fast question
[10:48] <hristo> ?
[10:48] <voicu> hehe
[10:48] <voicu> it can be 2min or 30
[10:48] <hristo> ok make it 15 :P
[10:48] <hristo> brb
[10:49] <voicu> do you know which harddisk it's on?
[10:49] <hristo> i have only master
[10:49] <hristo> harddisk
[10:49] <voicu> ok, so one hd
[10:49] <hristo> ok brb
[10:49] <voicu> what partition is it?
[10:49] <hristo> w8
[10:49] <hristo> to see
[10:49] <voicu> the first, second
[10:49] <hristo> i think the third
[10:50] <voicu> ok, then your partition should be hda3
[10:50] <hristo> hda3
[10:50] <hristo> yes
[10:50] <voicu> sudo mkdir /media/hda3
[10:50] <voicu> is it ntfs, fat32?
[10:51] <hristo> i think ntfs but today tolds me
[10:51] <hristo> only fat 32
[10:51] <hristo> on linux
[10:51] <hristo> ntf no read
[10:51] <hristo> :P
[10:51] <voicu> nah, you can use ntfs too
[10:51] <hristo> i want
[10:51] <hristo> only
[10:51] <hristo> hda2
[10:51] <voicu> the thing is you should only read
[10:51] <hristo> for
[10:51] <hristo> downloads
[10:52] <hristo> read what ?
[10:52] <voicu> read as opposed to writing on it
[10:52] <voicu> if you change a file or something on ntfs you might break it
[10:52] <hristo> i see hda1 but it dont oppen
[10:52] <hristo> ooo
[10:52] <hristo> thats dangerous ?
[10:52] <voicu> it's just not guaranteed to work :P
[10:53] <voicu> so yeah
[10:53] <voicu> is /media/hda3 working?
[10:53] <hristo> uf
[10:53] <hristo> yes
[10:53] <hristo> hda1 nope
[10:53] <voicu> hda1 is the / directory
[10:53] <voicu> probably
[10:53] <hristo> look this
[10:53] <hristo> hristo@hristo-desktop:~$ sudo mkdir /media/hda3
[10:53] <hristo> hristo@hristo-desktop:~$
[10:54] <voicu> ok
[10:54] <voicu> then try sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda3 /media/hda3
[10:54] <voicu> !ntfs
[10:54] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:55] <voicu> hristo: try reading that, it might explain better
[10:55] <voicu> and i have to go anyway
[10:55] <hristo> bash: !ntfs: event not found
[10:55] <voicu> no, click the link
[10:55] <voicu> what ubotu said
[10:55] <hristo> a ok
[10:55] <hristo> 10nx
[10:55] <voicu> np
[10:55] <hristo> aa voicu
[10:56] <hristo> can i install windows now
[10:56] <hristo> just for downloading
[10:56] <voicu> you can download on ubuntu too
[10:56] <hristo> what for
[10:56] <voicu> torrents or what?
[10:56] <hristo> they shippit to me :P
[10:56] <hristo> yes
[10:57] <voicu> ktorrent
[10:57] <angasule> is there a way to be root through fish? I need root access to copy some files
[10:57] <hristo> ktorrent i see
[10:57] <voicu> it's as good as any client
[10:57] <hristo> but this problem with the hard
[10:57] <hristo> i cannot trust it :(
[10:57] <voicu> make it ext3
[10:57] <hristo> i can download files over 4 gb right
[10:57] <voicu> yeah
[10:58] <hristo> so how to make it or read the file
[10:58] <voicu> ?
[10:58] <hristo> how to make it ext3
[10:58] <voicu> angasule: what does fish do?
[10:58] <hristo> a sry
[10:58] <nuxil> is it worth installin 7.04 ?
[10:59] <bobstro> angasule: is root login allowed, or forced commands?
[10:59] <angasule> voicu: it lets you access another computer's files as if they were local, you only need an ssh server running on the remote machine
[10:59] <voicu> hristo: you gave to format it
[10:59] <angasule> bobstro: it's kubuntu with default sudo behaviour
[10:59] <hristo> oo man
[10:59] <angasule> which means no root password
[10:59] <hristo> again
[10:59] <voicu> :)
[10:59] <hristo> 150 gb again
[10:59] <hristo> nooo
[10:59] <hristo> :)
[11:00] <voicu> angaulse: can't you enable the root password?
[11:00] <hristo> ok m8
[11:00] <bobstro> angasule: unless your user can read those files, i don't see how.
[11:00] <hristo> voicu: 10000nx 10nx 10nx for everyting
[11:00] <hristo> voicu: i have to go now :)
[11:00] <voicu> np
[11:00] <hristo> voicu: tommorow i will chek out u :P
[11:01] <voicu> hmm, i'm not sure if i'll be online
[11:01] <voicu> busy day :D
[11:01] <hristo> aa ok
[11:01] <hristo> :)
[11:01] <hristo> np
[11:01] <voicu> maybe in the evening
[11:01] <hristo> then the day after tomorrow
[11:01] <hristo> :)
[11:01] <voicu> hehe
[11:01] <hristo> fast question
[11:02] <voicu> ok
[11:02] <hristo> before leavein
[11:02] <hristo> :)
[11:02] <voicu> shoot
[11:02] <hristo> nope
[11:02] <hristo> no no
[11:02] <hristo> i will be ok
[11:02] <hristo> :)
[11:02] <hristo> ok bye neighbour :)
[11:02] <voicu> bye
[11:02] <hristo> Good night all
[11:02] <hristo> 10nx for everything Kubuntu rulz :)
[11:03] <kai> where can I find a repositoires list?
[11:04] <Sanne> !easysource | kai
[11:04] <ubotu> kai: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:04] <voicu> kai: i think all the official ubuntu repos are in sources.list already. you could search on google
[11:04] <Sanne> kai: you can also use that to look at possible sources.list entries
[11:05] <kai> well there was a website I had found but I can't find it again, it had stuff I never heard of
[11:05] <Sanne> kai: check out my link, maybe it's listed
[11:06] <kai> sure, I just opened the site
[11:06] <voicu> !dvd
[11:06] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:06] <Sanne> kai: and generally, use a bit of care regarding unofficial repositories.
[11:07] <kai> Sanne: i shall, whats the deal w/ thos anyway?
[11:07] <Sanne> kai: what do you mean?
[11:07] <erz-> i try to use dcop ... but it said me couldn't attach DCOP server ...
[11:07] <kai> if there harmful why would you use them?
[11:08] <Sanne> kai: they are mostly not harmful, but theoretically they may be. just like stuff you download from the net generally.
[11:08] <voicu> kai: that's the idea, you don't always know if they or not, so be careful :P
[11:08] <voicu> *they are
[11:08] <kai> im tryin to learn this stuff
[11:09] <Sanne> kai: often those are repositories from ubuntu enthusiansts who are nice enough to make packages they have built for themselves available to the community.
[11:09] <kai> but I won't use it often once I get it to work and 4get how to do it again
[11:09] <kai> gimme a moment
[11:10] <Sanne> kai: but it's better to stick to the official repositories for now, if you can, especially if you're new.
[11:11] <Sanne> kai: a good resource top start learning about software and packages is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement
[11:12] <kai> Sanne: where can i go to learn commands
[11:14] <Sanne> kai: the link I gave in my last statement is good, and also read through the help documents you have under KMenu->Help (I hope it's still there... I'm not on the latest Kubuntu), especially the Kubuntu Desktop Guide.
[11:15] <kai> u wrote all that?
[11:15] <Sanne> kai: who? me? no way. That's all from the fine contributors of our ubuntu community.
[11:16] <kai> Sanne: oh lol
[11:16] <Sanne> :)
[11:16] <kai> Sanne: lemme ask you this
[11:17] <Sanne> kai: yes?
[11:17] <shawn34> errr
[11:17] <shawn34> can't get cnn videos working
[11:17] <kai> Sanne: I have an ipod I was able to get to wokr, but I had to find what dev it was one to mount it and use it on amarok
[11:17] <shawn34> says i have to install the player
[11:18] <kai> Sanne: ...any suggetsions
[11:18] <shawn34> any ideas?
[11:18] <kai> Some one helped me do it I was able to mount it and everything but when I re-installed I can't mount it anymore
[11:18] <Sanne> kai: oh, sorry, I don't have an ipod. Can anybody help?
[11:18] <kai> ..and I don't know what partition it or the command that I used to find it
[11:19] <Sanne> kai: what type of device is it? USB?
[11:21] <TheDebugger> Hmm
[11:22] <TheDebugger> My ipod was recognised by amarok, just had to chose the driver in amarok's preferences
[11:22] <kai> yes
[11:22] <TheDebugger> I got a nano 1Go
[11:22] <TheDebugger> *gb
[11:22] <kai> i got a nano 4gb
[11:22] <TheDebugger> kai: Whenyou connect it, does it appear on the desktop?
[11:22] <kai> it recoginzed but I didn't know tha mount point, even tho I thought I did
[11:22] <kai> yes
[11:23] <TheDebugger> Then, just go in amarok's prefs
[11:23] <TheDebugger> Media Devices, and choose "Apple Ipod" in the combobox
[11:23] <bobstro> angasule: i just realized i've got the same issue. just disabled root login via ssh and now need r/w to various things via fish.
[11:23] <bobstro> angasule: i'm thinking allow with key is way to go.
[11:24] <kai> what about the mount points and everything
[11:24] <TheDebugger> kai: Why do you care?
[11:24] <TheDebugger> Just choose the driver for the autodetected device
[11:24] <TheDebugger> HAL does its job for mounting
[11:25] <kai> so I can use my ipod
[11:25] <kai> TheDebugger: when i setup it didnt work like that
[11:26] <kai> right now when i plugged it in it didn't show up
[11:27] <TheDebugger> hmm
[11:27] <kai> TheDebugger: I just re-installed
[11:28] <shawn34> can kaffeine play embedded video or just lauch in a seperate window outside the browser?
[11:28] <Sanne> kai: you could open a konsole and monitor the system log. It should tell you something when you plug in your device. In the konsole, type: tail -f /var/log/syslog          , then watch what it sais when you plug in your ipod.
[11:28] <kai> TheDebugger: it ddin't see it, or anything, that what i don't get
[11:29] <kai> it  says generic sg0
[11:29] <josh_> i find a lot of times when installing software via adept manager, it does not show up in the KMenu... is there a workaround for this?
[11:30] <kai> and gives me partition sda0, sda1, sda2
[11:31] <Sanne> kai: at least it gets recognized. But at this point I really have to refer you to somebody else, as I don't know either amarok nor ipods :)
[11:32] <kai> Sanne: its all good, Im goin over seas for 1.5 yrs, I wanna get it to work b4 I leave
[11:32] <mrigns> !ping
[11:32] <ubotu> pong
[11:33] <kai> brb
[11:34] <Sanne> kai: good luck :)
[11:34] <compilerwriter> !pong
[11:34] <ubotu> pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[11:34] <compilerwriter> !ping
[11:34] <ubotu> pong
[11:41] <prak> does anyone know how to add the repository for adobe software?
[11:42] <TheDebugger> ?
[11:42] <jhutchins> !locate icpld
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about locate icpld - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <jhutchins> !find icpld
[11:43] <ubotu> Package/file icpld does not exist in edgy
[11:43] <TheDebugger> There are 2 free linux softwares for linux.. acroread and flashplugin-nonfree
[11:43] <TheDebugger> ( afaik )
[11:43] <prak> !acroread
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acroread - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <TheDebugger> !medibuntu
[11:43] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[11:43] <TheDebugger> :)
[11:44] <prak> does anyone know how to add the repository for adobe software?
[11:44] <prak> or running scripts?
[11:44] <TheDebugger> You're not clear at all
[11:44] <prak> nvm
[11:44] <prak> problem solved
[11:50] <shawn34> [mplayer/firefox plugin]  when video starts its not centered... i have to go fullscreen, then switch back to get a centered video.. any ideas?
[11:52] <kai> Sanne: that command you gave me hlpe me get my ipod working again
[11:54] <Sanne> kai: oh! That is cool, congrats :)
[11:54] <Pollywog> has anyone tried the upgrade from Edgy to Feisty and did it work?
[11:54] <Pollywog> the one in topic
[11:55] <lookazooka> Pollywog: it worked for me
[11:55] <Pollywog> tnx
[11:55] <kai> Sanne: ...so how often are you doing real in depth commands?
[11:55] <Pollywog> I will try it on one machine
[11:55] <Sanne> kai: just a sec, I'm helping a person on another channel :)
[11:55] <kai> ok
[11:56] <BadRabbit320> Pollywog> i did the upgrade; worked for me (and I'm a linux noob)
[12:05] <compilerwriter> Would there be any reason for Kontackt to act stupid after a change from kdm to gdm?
[12:06] <kai> Sanne: how do you change channels?
[12:08] <Thass> hello
[12:08] <Sanne> kai: you can type: /join #channelname
[12:08] <lookazooka> kai: ctrl+j ?
[12:09] <kai> sanne is there a listing?
[12:09] <mneisen> How do I remove an old kernel after a kernel upgrade? (upgrade was done via apt-get dist-upgrade).
[12:09] <mneisen> thanks in advance.
[12:10] <Sanne> kai: I'm using xchat as my chat client, it has a menu function to list channels. I believe it's just another irc command, but I don't know what to type.
[12:11] <kai> its a package?
[12:11] <kai> is there like a programmers on?
[12:12] <Sanne> kai: yes, xchat (not xchat-gnome) is a package you could install. Youneed to enable the universe repositories.
[12:12] <lookazooka> I'm having a problem with the audio: it looks like muted. My card is an audigy2, and it used to work perfectly. Now when I restart I have always to see if PCM is 100%, ALSA is set to unmuted... why?
[12:12] <kai> Sanne: Thats already done
[12:12] <Sanne> kai: the universe enable?
[12:12] <kai> Sanne: I odn't mess around w/ that stuff
[12:12] <kai> yea
[12:13] <Sanne> kai: then you could install xchat. It's a gtk application that will pull a bit of libraries, though. If you don't mind that, you can type: sudo apt-get install xchat