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| ubotu | New bug: #106889 in launchpad "Typo in Answers Tab Tooltip (for People/Teams)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106889 | 03:30 |
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| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | hello mpt | 04:30 |
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| Hobbsee | hi mpt! | 04:38 |
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| ajmitch | aha, Hobbsee | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: indeed! | 04:39 |
| ubotu | New bug: #106900 in malone "Confusing batched notification if attachment is quickly removed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106900 | 04:45 |
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| Hobbsee | looks like we have a spammer. https://launchpad.net/bounties/winmodem-support | 05:05 |
| ubotu | New bug: #106908 in malone ""Report a new bug" page for non-LP-using project needs beautifying" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106908 | 05:16 |
| mpt | ugh, bounties still show up? | 05:18 |
| mpt | they should have a "sorry, we're closed" sign | 05:19 |
| ubotu | New bug: #106909 in launchpad-bazaar "faq should explain how imports work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106909 | 05:20 |
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| poolie | lifeless: now launchpad has visible dildos too: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6561186/Corrupt2.png | 07:18 |
| ubotu | New bug: #106924 in malone ""Is this a new tag?" question is tautological" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106924 | 07:20 |
| poolie | bug 85575 | 07:20 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 85575 in vte "gnome-terminal reacting very sluggishly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85575 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) | 07:20 |
| lifeless | nice | 07:20 |
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| BjornT | lifeless: time for reviewer meeting? | 08:09 |
| lifeless | cool | 08:10 |
| lifeless | I wasn't sure if it was now or +1 hour | 08:10 |
| lifeless | reviewer meeting now | 08:10 |
| lifeless | spiv: | 08:10 |
| lifeless | jamesh: | 08:10 |
| jamesh | hi | 08:11 |
| spiv | Hello | 08:11 |
| lifeless | just setting up | 08:12 |
| lifeless | agenda for now | 08:12 |
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| lifeless | * Roll call | 08:12 |
| lifeless | * Next meeting | 08:13 |
| lifeless | * Queue status. | 08:13 |
| lifeless | * How are post-merge reviews of rs/trivial commits going? (BjornT for .eu) | 08:13 |
| lifeless | * Training up reviewers - to discuss (BjornT for .eu) | 08:13 |
| lifeless | * [fasttrack] (BjornT for .eu) | 08:13 |
| jamesh | the pending-reviews script is part way through a run (started at 05:42 UTC) | 08:13 |
| lifeless | * Urgent review requests (lifeless for .au) | 08:13 |
| lifeless | next meeting at the usual time ? | 08:15 |
| jamesh | sure. | 08:15 |
| BjornT | sure | 08:15 |
| spiv | Sure. | 08:15 |
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| lifeless | queue status | 08:17 |
| lifeless | so spiv, bjornt and jamesh you all have red reviews on my screen | 08:17 |
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| jamesh | lifeless: I've done that one since pending-reviews was last generated | 08:18 |
| spiv | I have one less than on the current page. | 08:18 |
| lifeless | heh | 08:18 |
| lifeless | meeeting syndrome :) | 08:18 |
| spiv | Which still leaves me with two, though :) | 08:18 |
| BjornT | i will do mine today. i had friday off, that's why i didn't do them then. | 08:19 |
| lifeless | BjornT: was that an urgent thing, or preplanned ? | 08:20 |
| spiv | And I've been sucking because I've been focussing on bzr, but after the freeze kicks in tomorrow morning I won't have that excuse any more. | 08:20 |
| spiv | I should have realised how little launchpad review time I'd have earlier and punted my reviews :/ | 08:20 |
| lifeless | right | 08:20 |
| lifeless | I was about to say something along those lines | 08:21 |
| BjornT | lifeless: i requested the day off a few days in advance. i didn't bother adding it to PendingReviews since one day usually doesn't make much difference. | 08:22 |
| lifeless | BjornT: I think that assessment was wrong - please in future do let me know. | 08:22 |
| lifeless | reviews are a significant latency in the development cycle; where we dont need that latency we shouldn't have it. | 08:23 |
| lifeless | leave and being busy are both avoidable things, and its up to us to avoid them - in both cases by signalling you dont have review cycles for that time period. | 08:23 |
| BjornT | lifeless: ok, will do that in the future. i guess we should add notices for public holidays as well, then? | 08:23 |
| lifeless | yes, I think so. | 08:23 |
| lifeless | jamesh: so what happened with that 10 day review? how did it get so old? | 08:24 |
| jamesh | I didn't allocate enough time for reviews last week. Also, it was 5 days old by the first work day it was on my queue (which isn't an excuse for not sending the review last week) | 08:26 |
| lifeless | jamesh: well 5 days old, 4 of which were weekend and pub holiday; so I should be saying '10 -4 -2' == 4 days old review. | 08:27 |
| lifeless | which sounds much less several | 08:27 |
| lifeless | subjective/objective time in a sense. | 08:27 |
| lifeless | *severe* I mean. | 08:28 |
| lifeless | jamesh: so is there anything we can do to help you [and all reviewers] allocate enough time ? | 08:29 |
| lifeless | we can think of reviews in a RT os scheduling sense I guess | 08:31 |
| jamesh | don't know. I should have been checking up on them more frequently | 08:31 |
| BjornT | maybe having the pending-reviews script sending a daily reminder of your review queue would help? | 08:32 |
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| lifeless | would it be read? | 08:33 |
| lifeless | and acted on? | 08:33 |
| lifeless | alternatively, how about a per-reviewer subpage? | 08:33 |
| BjornT | i would read it | 08:33 |
| lifeless | do you find checking daily a problem at the moment? | 08:33 |
| BjornT | and often people state that they didn't do some reviews since they forgot to check their queue status. | 08:34 |
| lifeless | I'm in favour of this | 08:34 |
| lifeless | can you take it to the .eu meeting | 08:34 |
| BjornT | sure | 08:34 |
| lifeless | see if it works for them as well? | 08:34 |
| lifeless | I suggest it only mail if there are reviews to do | 08:35 |
| spiv | +1 | 08:35 |
| lifeless | jamesh: ? | 08:36 |
| BjornT | yeah, i agree with sending mail only if there are reviews to do. makes it less likely for people to ignore the e-mails. | 08:36 |
| jamesh | I suppose I could look at something like that. The alternative would be an Atom feed | 08:36 |
| jamesh | not sure which people would prefer | 08:36 |
| lifeless | jamesh: lets start with mail; its much the same machinery, and does not need any affirmative action on the reviewers behalf. | 08:37 |
| jamesh | could you file a bug with the details of how it should work? | 08:37 |
| lifeless | sure | 08:37 |
| lifeless | how detailed do you want ? | 08:37 |
| jamesh | what you want in the emails, when emails should be sent, etc | 08:38 |
| jamesh | perhaps it'd be useful to know about needs-reply branches that have been modified since being moved to that state too | 08:38 |
| lifeless | sure you don't want a spec ? | 08:38 |
| lifeless | :0 | 08:38 |
| jamesh | either a bug or spec would be fine | 08:39 |
| lifeless | hmm | 08:39 |
| lifeless | I wonder if we should automatically bump needs-review-with-conflicts down to needs-reply | 08:40 |
| BjornT | i'm not so sure about that. i often review branches having only trivial conflicts. | 08:41 |
| lifeless | yeah defer that thought | 08:41 |
| lifeless | how does this sound | 08:43 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-development-infrastructure/+bug/106936 | 08:43 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106936 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "daily review mails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 08:43 |
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| BjornT | looks good for a first step. it'd be nice to include the description of the branch, and a link to the diff, but maybe it's not easy to get the description? | 08:46 |
| jamesh | I'll have to ask how close the "reviews in launchpad" stuff is likely to be | 08:46 |
| lifeless | indeed :) | 08:47 |
| lifeless | however if we keep moving the goal posts :) | 08:47 |
| lifeless | ... | 08:47 |
| lifeless | anyhow | 08:47 |
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| lifeless | * Urgent review requests (lifeless for .au) | 08:47 |
| lifeless | so I wanted to raise this | 08:47 |
| lifeless | currently there is no formal documentation on what dev's should do when something is urgent; | 08:48 |
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| lifeless | its made clear its their responsbility, but I couldn't find anything saying 'ask around', or 'put it on pending reviews with a /!\ this is urgent marker', or ... | 08:48 |
| lifeless | this came up because at the long weekend there was a branch for a critical hotfix that got lost | 08:50 |
| lifeless | not due to anyone doing anything wrong | 08:50 |
| lifeless | but it fell through the urgent cracks and got treated as normal | 08:50 |
| ubotu | New bug: #106936 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "daily review mails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106936 | 08:50 |
| Mez | kiko / SteveA around ? (shipit stuff) | 08:50 |
| lifeless | ok | 08:52 |
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| BjornT | lifeless: maybe refine ProductionProcess, and add something to that document? | 08:53 |
| lifeless | possibly | 08:53 |
| lifeless | possibly WorkingWithReviews ? | 08:53 |
| BjornT | well, anything urgent should be cherry picked. so it makes sense to have one document describing how to make urguent fixes. | 08:54 |
| lifeless | good point | 08:54 |
| lifeless | ok | 08:54 |
| lifeless | who wants to do that ? :) | 08:54 |
| BjornT | i don't think ProductionProcess is a good name for that document, though. | 08:54 |
| lifeless | ok | 08:57 |
| lifeless | I'll mail the list | 08:57 |
| lifeless | any other business? | 08:57 |
| lifeless | 5 | 08:59 |
| BjornT | lifeless: what about training up new reviewers? | 08:59 |
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| BjornT | iirc, the last thing that was said, was that it should be discussed further at the next meeting | 08:59 |
| lifeless | hmm, agenda has it for .eu meeting follow up - IIRC the feeling here was a buddy system for some reviews was sufficient. | 08:59 |
| lifeless | ah | 09:00 |
| lifeless | we deferred the main conversation | 09:00 |
| lifeless | did you discuss in .eu time ? | 09:00 |
| BjornT | it was discussed at the .eu meeting. it's in the meeting log for 2007-04-04 | 09:01 |
| lifeless | ok | 09:01 |
| lifeless | I like the 'Another variant on that is to have the new reviewer send the review to an experienced reviewer for comments, before sending it to the reviewee.' proposall | 09:02 |
| lifeless | as its the simplest to implement immediately | 09:02 |
| lifeless | Barry will be joining the ranks very soon - in fact once we agree on a training mechanism. | 09:02 |
| lifeless | BjornT: looks like there wasn't a strong preference amongst the .eu crowd. Lets vote here: | 09:03 |
| lifeless | is 'Another variant on that is to have the new reviewer send the review to an experienced reviewer for comments, before sending it to the reviewee.' a good start that we should go forward with ? | 09:03 |
| spiv | That sounds fine to me (I'm happy with any variant on the basic idea of an established reviewer reviewing new reviews). | 09:04 |
| BjornT | +1, since it's probably the easiest thing. | 09:04 |
| BjornT | although, i think one important part is to have a document describing what a reviewer should look for in a diff. | 09:05 |
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| lifeless | BjornT: which is different from our coding standards how ? | 09:05 |
| SteveA | design standards? | 09:08 |
| BjornT | lifeless: surely a reviewer should look at more than the coding standard? for example, is there a spec, does the implementation follow the spec, is the code design reasonable, etc. | 09:08 |
| lifeless | well, I mean to say that we have a set of standards that describe what developers should be producing, hopefully in quantitative terms. | 09:08 |
| lifeless | I struggle to imagine anything that we would give as advice to a reviewer that isn't also good advice for the developer. | 09:09 |
| BjornT | lifeless: agreed, that document should be required reading for new developers. | 09:10 |
| lifeless | in which case, I argue that its not a reviewer centric document, its part of the '* standards' if you like. | 09:10 |
| BjornT | currently, the best way of learning all the standards and requirements is to submit branches for review and learn from the review replies. | 09:11 |
| jamesh | sounds good. We do want to encourage people to "self review" to an extent anyway ... | 09:11 |
| jamesh | so they should know what to look for | 09:11 |
| lifeless | I agree they should know what to look for | 09:12 |
| BjornT | yeah, i don't argue for that it should be for reviewers only. any developer is a potentional reviewer :) | 09:12 |
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| lifeless | we currently have: | 09:13 |
| lifeless | https://launchpad.canonical.com/TipsForReviewers | 09:13 |
| lifeless | which has suggested reading for generalaties about review | 09:13 |
| lifeless | https://launchpad.canonical.com/PreMergeReviews | 09:14 |
| lifeless | has 'what are reviewers looking for' | 09:14 |
| lifeless | which points to TipsForReviewers | 09:14 |
| lifeless | which still has that unresolved 'all pillars' thing | 09:15 |
| lifeless | anyhow | 09:15 |
| lifeless | I'm +1 on documenting our design standards and so forth better. | 09:15 |
| lifeless | I'm not at all convinced that the *primary audience* of such documentation is the review team. | 09:15 |
| lifeless | I htink the primary audience is our developers; that the review team is responsible for feeding suggesting into the documentation. | 09:16 |
| lifeless | ... | 09:16 |
| lifeless | and enforcing it. | 09:16 |
| BjornT | i agree. that document should be for both developers and reviewers. especially since developers are exepcted to do a self-review before submitting the branch for review. | 09:17 |
| lifeless | SteveA: does this make sense to you? | 09:17 |
| SteveA | I agree with developers doing a self-review before the review | 09:18 |
| SteveA | and I agree that both things ought to involve reviewing the spec and the coding standards | 09:19 |
| lifeless | I fear the butt | 09:20 |
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| lifeless | SteveA: was that the end of your statement ? | 09:22 |
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| lifeless | ok, looks like steve is awol | 09:25 |
| lifeless | I agree with what Steve is saying | 09:25 |
| lifeless | I dont think it contradicts my point | 09:25 |
| lifeless | concrete proposal: lets add anything that comes up as 'this should have been looked for' to the current design standards docs | 09:27 |
| lifeless | and if there isn't an appropriate document, add one at the time. | 09:27 |
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| lifeless | jamesh: ^ | 09:27 |
| lifeless | BjornT: ^ | 09:27 |
| lifeless | spiv: ^ | 09:27 |
| jamesh | sounds good | 09:28 |
| spiv | I agree. | 09:28 |
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| BjornT | lifeless: what do you mean by 'this should have been looked for'? | 09:29 |
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| lifeless | BjornT: I mean, that when in a review or other discussion something is found that *should* have been picked up by a prior review, we document what it is that should have been looked for by said review. | 09:30 |
| lifeless | whether it is a design issue, UI, CSXF or whatever. | 09:31 |
| lifeless | start building this missing document base. | 09:31 |
| BjornT | does a self-review count as a prior review? :) | 09:31 |
| lifeless | separately it might be nice if a dev says 'I did not know to look for X' to also incorporate it into the same body of documentation. | 09:31 |
| lifeless | yes, self-review does count | 09:31 |
| BjornT | cool | 09:31 |
| lifeless | ok | 09:32 |
| lifeless | any other business ? | 09:32 |
| lifeless | 1.5 hour review meeting meep. | 09:33 |
| lifeless | still, we covered a lot | 09:33 |
| lifeless | 5 | 09:33 |
| lifeless | 4 | 09:33 |
| lifeless | 3 | 09:33 |
| lifeless | 2 | 09:33 |
| lifeless | 1 | 09:33 |
| lifeless | --- | 09:33 |
| lifeless | I'll write this up into minutes shortly. Thanks all! | 09:33 |
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| Theuni_ | hey | 09:50 |
| Theuni_ | any admin around? | 09:50 |
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| mthaddon | what can I help with Theuni_? | 09:54 |
| Theuni_ | mthaddon: when importing the zope bugtracker, some milestone seems to have ended up in the wrong release series | 09:57 |
| Theuni_ | i can't see any way to move that milestone to the correct series from the UI, so I guess I need some admin to help me do that :) | 09:57 |
| Theuni_ | See https://launchpad.net/zope3/3.4/+milestones | 09:58 |
| Theuni_ | It has a '3.3' milestone in there. That should go to the 3.3 release series ... | 09:58 |
| mthaddon | ah, ok - different type of admin, I'm afraid :( | 09:58 |
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| Theuni_ | ok, np. | 09:58 |
| spiv | Theuni_: jamesh can probably help | 09:58 |
| spiv | jamesh: ^ | 09:58 |
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| jamesh | Theuni_: I don't think we have a mechanism to move milestones from the web UI at the moment. | 09:59 |
| jamesh | stub or lifeless could probably do the moves though | 10:00 |
| Theuni_ | :) | 10:00 |
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| jamesh | (I could figure out the SQL if needed) | 10:00 |
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| jamesh | Theuni_: also, you should find a logo image for the zope3 product -- it will make all the zope3 pages on LP look a bit nicer :) | 10:02 |
| Theuni_ | hmm. there's some kind of logo n the product homepage, but it looks blurry | 10:03 |
| jamesh | the "Change branding" menu item lets you change things | 10:03 |
| jamesh | http://www.zope.org/Images/zbutton might be a good choice after being resized slightly | 10:04 |
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| Theuni_ | better now? :) | 10:08 |
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| thumper | hi all | 01:30 |
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| kiko | hey thumper | 01:32 |
| thumper | kiko: hi | 01:33 |
| kiko | yawn. | 01:34 |
| thumper | kiko: I'm with ddaa atm | 01:35 |
| kiko | thumper, I know, Rinchen told me you would be there. that's great news! | 01:35 |
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| statik | anyone know a browser that I can use on linux to sorta check for safari compatibility | 02:24 |
| LarstiQ | webkit or khtml iirc | 02:25 |
| statik | ta | 02:25 |
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| popey | aaargh, I have managed to link a bug to an incorrect external system, can I delete them? | 03:40 |
| popey | bug 106996 | 03:40 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106996 in kopete "Kopete needs a method to block ICQ spammers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106996 | 03:40 |
| popey | should be linked to kde 57234 and 63839, but not the kde url and not the ATi one :( | 03:40 |
| ubotu | KDE bug 57234 in general "messages from people not in contact list should be filtered." [Wishlist,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57234 - Assigned to kopete-devel@kde.org | 03:41 |
| ubotu | KDE bug 63839 in general "Easier way to block senders" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63839 - Assigned to kopete-devel@kde.org | 03:41 |
| popey | sorry | 03:41 |
| popey | ooo, neat | 03:41 |
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| popey | figured it out \o/ | 03:50 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #107001 in malone "some bug followups break threading" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107001 | 04:00 |
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| alefteris | hi all! is it possible to mass export po files from rosseta? | 05:56 |
| kiko | alefteris, for a certain project? sure. | 05:57 |
| alefteris | how can someone do that? | 05:58 |
| alefteris | fir example for the gnome packages | 05:58 |
| kiko | not for a group of projects. | 05:58 |
| kiko | and you said "packages" so perhaps you're talking about distro packages, not projects. | 05:58 |
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| alefteris | kiko, how is the merging with upstream feature working then? can you please explain a bit? :) | 06:00 |
| ubotu | New bug: #107027 in launchpad "Assinging a bug re-sends it to people who have already received it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107027 | 06:01 |
| kiko | alefteris, I think it has changed. danilos? | 06:01 |
| danilos | alefteris: what 'merging with upstream' feature are you talking about? | 06:02 |
| kiko | danilos, I think he wants to know how strings from distro translations are reused in the project context. | 06:03 |
| alefteris | is there anyway the translations from rosseta to be used by the upstream project, ex gnome? | 06:03 |
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| danilos | alefteris: sure, but you can export them only per-package, eg. you go to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/gnome-desktop/+pots/gnome-desktop-2.0/ and choose 'Download translations' | 06:04 |
| kiko | oh. | 06:05 |
| alefteris | ok thats what i wanted to ask.. so there is no mass export of all gnome packages thing? | 06:05 |
| Lumiere | is there a way to make your default view of a projects bugs to be bugs.launchpad.net/<project>/+bugs | 06:06 |
| Lumiere | instead of bugs.launchpad.net/<project>/ | 06:06 |
| danilos | alefteris: no, but what do you want to use that for? or do you actually want a single-language mass-export? | 06:06 |
| alefteris | the latter | 06:07 |
| danilos | alefteris: ah, ok, that makes sense, but we don't have it at the moment; what you *can* do, however, is download a language pack which is regenerated daily and contains all the gnome translations (including some others) | 06:07 |
| alefteris | a ok | 06:08 |
| alefteris | thanks for you answers danilos kiko :) | 06:08 |
| danilos | alefteris: there's a separate language pack for GNOME (strangely named "language-pack-gnome-LANGCODE" :), so you can use that | 06:09 |
| alefteris | ok, also another question: is there a meta package that gets installed when you chooso to install the language support for a spesific language from System -> System managment-> languge support? | 06:11 |
| alefteris | sorry found it :) | 06:20 |
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| Loevborg | Why doesn't searching for "interface eth0 is being released" reveal https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/102716? | 07:58 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 102716 in network-manager "NetworkManager fails to bring up wired interface after resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 07:58 |
| Loevborg | Does launchpad bug search not include comments? | 07:59 |
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| salgado | Loevborg, no, it doesn't | 08:01 |
| Loevborg | it really, _really should | 08:01 |
| Loevborg | (at the very least optionally) | 08:02 |
| Loevborg | the submitter often adds important information, such as error messages, in a 2nd comment | 08:02 |
| Loevborg | Searching by error message is really one of the most logical ways to find a bug. | 08:02 |
| salgado | Loevborg, bug 70665 seems to be about that | 08:03 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 70665 in malone "Allow searching in comments" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70665 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt) | 08:03 |
| Loevborg | that's right | 08:04 |
| Loevborg | thanks | 08:04 |
| salgado | Loevborg, there seems to be a fix for it already. you can subscribe to be notified when it gets rolled out to production | 08:04 |
| Loevborg | pity that bug's "fixed" for 1 month | 08:05 |
| Loevborg | but yes, I'll subscribe to the bug, thanks | 08:06 |
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| kalikiana | Arg, when will the font be fixed I wonder? | 08:28 |
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| Kmos | bug 107062 | 09:30 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 107062 in kubuntu-docs "Linux.org is hurting Linux; don't recommend it" [Wishlist,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107062 - Assigned to Richard Johnson (nixternal) | 09:30 |
| Kmos | lol | 09:30 |
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| OgMaciel | danilos: ping | 09:35 |
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| nixternal | Kmos: haha, you liked that one | 09:49 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #107077 in launchpad "database/productrelease.py has duplicate lines causing two queries" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107077 | 09:50 |
| Kmos | nixternal :) | 09:52 |
| pochu | Kmos, nixternal: what about http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/ :) | 09:53 |
| Kmos | hehe | 09:53 |
| Kmos | myownlinuxdomain.com :D | 09:54 |
| nixternal | there are a couple of good ones that I will list in the future, but removing linux.org because someones blog says it is evil is nuts | 09:54 |
| Kmos | pochu: that one is nice | 09:54 |
| Kmos | nixternal: right.. it's a big LOL :) | 09:54 |
| pochu | :-) | 09:55 |
| OgMaciel | mdke: hey, do you subscribe to the rosetta mailing list by any chance? | 09:56 |
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| john_ | Hey Guys. Congrats on the launch. I have a strange question. Why did launchpad use Zope in the first place? Is there a write up of this somewhere? I am interested in how the project was affected by this decision, good or bad. | 10:22 |
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