[12:24] <Woody_> whats that misfit_toy ?
[12:24] <misfit_toy> Woody_, what kernel you are running
[12:24] <Woody_> i am new to linux, be easy with me :P
[12:24] <misfit_toy> I am
[12:24] <Woody_> im running fiesty fawne
[12:24] <Woody_> thats what i know
[12:25] <Woody_> 7.04
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Woody_: what does the command uname -r say
[12:25] <misfit_toy> Woody_, "applications/accessories/terminal", it will open a little window
[12:25] <Woody_> im running XP right now, because i can not enter ubuntu at all
[12:25] <misfit_toy> Woody_, in that window type "uname -r"
[12:25] <misfit_toy> ah
[12:25] <misfit_toy> I see
[12:25] <ghostdog> can anyone cat  /etc/bluetooth/hcid,conf to tell me the correct syntax for the "Default PIN code for incoming connections"
[12:25] <Woody_> im getting a black screen sir
[12:25] <eTiger13> what port does a usb mouse use?
[12:26] <misfit_toy> Woody_, are you near your ubuntu box or is this a dual boot box that you can only run xp OR ubuntu on?
[12:26] <Woody_> thats a dual boot box sir
[12:26] <gnomefreak> time to learn irssi ;)
[12:26] <misfit_toy> well it will be kind of hard to lead you thru what you need to do...
[12:26] <cabajgtr> I just upgraded to feisty, and it killed my nvidia module, seems I'm not the only one.  Has anyone fixed this?
[12:27] <ratshell> hey cabajgtr
[12:27] <ratshell> you talking about your nvidia driver?
[12:27] <misfit_toy> Woody_, let me see if I can find a link for you to follow.
[12:27] <Woody_> misfit_toy: should i reinstall ubuntu you think?
[12:27] <cabajgtr> yep
[12:27] <ratshell> I got mine working with Nvidia 8876 driver
[12:27] <Woody_> yeah that would be helpful misfit_toy
[12:27] <gnomefreak> cabajgtr: what card?
[12:27] <misfit_toy> Woody_, no, that's a waste of time, you just need to tweak a few things.
[12:27] <Woody_> okay
[12:28] <misfit_toy> Woody_, let me find a link then you can print it out from XP and follow it from Ubuntu
[12:28] <Woody_> okay misfit_toy
[12:28] <cabajgtr> i think its GeForce2, in a laptop
[12:28] <Woody_> can you send it to me by email misfit_toy ?
[12:28] <Woody_> its 1:30AM here misfit_toy
[12:28] <misfit_toy> ok Woody_ however you like
[12:28] <gnomefreak> lspci -v   will tell you what it is to be sure cabajgtr
[12:29] <cabajgtr> ratshell, did is 8876 the nvidia-glx or kernel module?
[12:29] <Woody_> ill give out my email here? misfit_toy ?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> Woody_: i wouldnt
[12:29] <gnomefreak> Woody_: use /msg
[12:29] <Woody_> i am not registered
[12:30] <ratshell> 8876 driver
[12:30] <Woody_> gnomefreak: im not registered
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Woody_: these are publicly logged channels and you can (most of time) will get spam fro it that you would not normally get
[12:30] <Woody_> vipwoody(@)gmail(.)com
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Woody_: doesnt matter much. misfit_toy can set his client to not care a=bout reg. users
[12:30] <xipietotec> I usually just post a link to a picture of my email
[12:30] <Woody_> thats it :P you got it misfit_toy ?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> iirc i get pmed from unreg users
[12:31] <Woody_> i dont have time to do that xipietotec  :P
[12:31] <xipietotec> I keep icons on my desktop
[12:31] <ratshell> hey cabajgtr, follow these directions exactly and you will have your nvidia driver up and running in no time http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/success-compiling-nvidia-8776-driver-on-feisty-2620-12-386/
[12:31] <cabajgtr> is a GeForce2
[12:31] <Woody_> i want to make sure if misfit_toy got my email or not
[12:31] <misfit_toy> Woody_, no, use "/msg misfit_toy youremail@ddress"
[12:31] <gnomefreak> cabajgtr: you most likely need legacy drivers than
[12:31] <misfit_toy> with no quotes Woody_
[12:31] <Woody_> ok
[12:32] <ratshell> cabajgtr follow the directions on the link I gave you. They work trust me. I had to use it for my card.
[12:32] <Woody_> its telling me to register, sir
[12:32] <cabajgtr> excellent, thanks
[12:32] <ratshell> no problem
[12:32] <gnomefreak> ratshell: why are you asking new users to compile drivers? if they cant sudo apt-get install than compiling might be a bit far fetched
[12:32] <ratshell> well it gives exact instructions
[12:32] <ratshell> on how to do it
[12:32] <gnomefreak> compiling them isnt supported either
[12:32] <ratshell> so all they have to do is follow directions exactly
[12:32] <Woody_> misfit_toy: i should be a registered user to message you sir
[12:33] <ratshell> Gnomefreak, I compiled my nvidia drivers with those directions, worked perfect
[12:33] <misfit_toy> Woody_, hold on, I'll message you
[12:33] <Woody_> okay misfit_toy
[12:33] <Woody_> did you get it?
[12:33] <gnomefreak> misfit_toy: i sent you a message :)
[12:34] <Woody_> misfit_toy: its telling me: Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!
[12:34] <gnomefreak> ratshell: ok well if there is a problem with them than they are screwed is what your saying?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> Woody_: /msg nickserv register password    replace password with your password of choice
[12:35] <misfit_toy> Woody_, what are you using for IRC?
[12:35] <Woody_> Chatzilla
[12:35] <Woody_> addon for FF
[12:36] <misfit_toy> ok, Woody_ I'll send you a link, no worries, come back tomorrow if you still have trouble, but reinstalling would be a waste of time.
[12:36] <Woody_> did you get my email misfit_toy ?
[12:36] <misfit_toy> Woody_, yes I have it
[12:36] <Woody_> because im going to access tomorrow morning, i can print it and go to work
[12:36] <Woody_> okay thanks a lot
[12:36] <Woody_> Goodnight brothers, thanks for your help
[12:36] <Woody_> God Bless
[12:36] <misfit_toy> g'nite Woody_
[12:38] <ratshell> gnomefreak, no I am not saying that. I just mean. Well right now if they don't have working nvidia drivers, then there nvidia isn't working. So they will be on the nv driver. So if this doesn't work they go back to the nv driver and try something else. No harm no fowl. Worht a shot at least
[12:39] <gnomefreak> ratshell: did you mention they will have to redo it for each kernel upgrade?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> if it doesnt work they have to find a way of getting rid of the compiled modules
[12:40] <gnomefreak> before they can use nvidia drivers from ubuntu
[12:40] <ratshell> Hey gnome, all I know is they want to install nvidia driver. I gave them a link to do it. Why you being a ass about it today?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> if it was that simple we would send everyone to nvidia.com
[12:40] <ratshell> NVIDIA WEBSITE DOESN"T WORK. There driver doesn't work with feisty
[12:40] <gnomefreak> ratshell: its bad advice and it not good to give bad advice
[12:40] <ratshell> you have to patch it to get it to work
[12:41] <gnomefreak> ratshell: yes it does i have it on feisty and edgy
[12:41] <ratshell> well it is good advice and your just in a bad mood.
[12:42] <BluesKaj> gents, what about installing xserver-xorg-glx... won't that work in a pinch?
[12:42] <ratshell> IT IS NOT BAD ADVICE. NOW SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT
[12:42] <ratshell> You just are mad cause you didn't suggest it. Now leave me alone about it.
[12:42] <PriceChild> ratshell, please calm down
[12:42] <xopher> !ohmy | ratshell
[12:42] <gnomefreak> ratshell: you are now muted for 10 minutes
[12:42] <Tm_T> gnomefreak :)
[12:42] <misfit_toy> heh
[12:44] <gnomefreak> !coc > ratshell
[12:44] <gnomefreak> !rules | ratshell
[12:44] <gnomefreak> ratshell: please read the links you were just provided with and please just your attitude to comply with them. thank you
[12:46] <BluesKaj> what about installing the.X.Org X server -- NV display driver.. won't that work in a pinch
[12:46] <ubotu> ratshell: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:46] <gnomefreak> ratshell: those links will be coming as soon as we fix ubotu :(
[12:46] <misfit_toy> gnomefreak, LOL
[12:47] <misfit_toy> BluesKaj, if you change "nvidia" to "nv" in your xorg.conf it will use the nv driver if you have it loaded.
[12:47] <misfit_toy> BluesKaj, I had to do that a few times just to get into X to get some info from google, etc...
[12:48] <misfit_toy> I don't have the luxury of multiple boxes here, at least not downstairs, and I'm *not* going upstairs where the heathen children play on their pc's.
[12:48] <misfit_toy> ;)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> yes i saw that in the synaptic list , misfit_toy...lotsa ppl have been trashing ATI graphics and I found the transition to feisty, less than fun alright but not as bad as expected
[12:49] <eTiger13> how do i get install915resolution to work? do i need to download or compile something?
[12:50] <flowbot> is anyone able to open .svg files with xaralx? i can't ... i have xaralx-svg installed, too
[12:50] <misfit_toy> BluesKaj, feisty has been great for a pre-release for me, up until the last couple of days, but hey that sh|t happens.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> yup misfit_toy agreed , it seems more stable with the new kernel
[12:51] <misfit_toy> I'm all happy now except for this mm keyboard shortcut thing, I *really* like to be able to hit a button at the top of my keyboard to pause exaile during music when my wife screams at me. heheh
[12:52] <BluesKaj> eTiger13, can you use the konsole ?
[12:52] <eTiger13> command line?
[12:52] <flowbot> anyone?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:52] <misfit_toy> and BluesKaj we met in #tovid I believe, man you better check out "devede" for just burning, it's simple, way faster, it's amazing, just creates the iso's and you have to burn them, but it's the schnizzit!
[12:53] <eTiger13> yes
[12:53] <BluesKaj> misfit_toy, my experience with devede has been less than productive :( ..find tovid more reliable
[12:54] <misfit_toy> interesting
[12:54] <flowbot> maybe xaralx can't import inkscape svg's?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> devede used to break in transcode , a lot
[12:57] <Hohlraum> when is the RC coming out?
[12:57] <Seveas> Hohlraum, possibly not at all
[12:57] <linux_kid> Yes, when is RC coming to us?
[12:57] <Tm_T> straight to release that is?
[12:58] <Hohlraum> thats what i was thinking was gunna happen.  this should be interesting.
[12:58] <linux_kid> Seveas, that's not such a bad idea...
[12:58] <kapputu> where do I paste stuff? I'm not able to install Term::ReadKey in Feisty
[01:00] <PriceChild> !paste | kapputu
[01:00] <ubotu> kapputu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:00] <BluesKaj> eTiger13, i think you may need to open your repository sources list and uncomment (take out the #) the universe multiverse dev repos ...in the run box "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:01] <BluesKaj> correction: deb repos
[01:01] <xipietotec> Wait, what RC are we talking about?
[01:01] <linux_kid> xipietotec, feisty rc
[01:01] <cabajgtr> ratshell, I tried installing Nvidia from that link, no luck
[01:01] <linux_kid> xipietotec, you may be
[01:02] <cabajgtr> It seemed to compile OK, but X wont load the driver
[01:03] <PriceChild> cabajgtr, what card do you have?
[01:03] <eTiger13> BluesKaj, i dont think my networking is enabled in console mode so i cant download anything
[01:03] <cabajgtr> Geforce2
[01:03] <cabajgtr> in a laptop
[01:03] <PriceChild> cabajgtr, and nvidia-glx does not work for you?
[01:03] <cabajgtr> no, it died when I upgraded to feisty
[01:03] <crdlb> you need nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:03] <PriceChild> when did you upgrade?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> cabajgtr: do it the right way please. feisty has drivers for all nvidia cards
[01:03] <cabajgtr> It was working in edgy
[01:04] <PriceChild> crdlb, nvidia-glx was recently downgraded
[01:04] <cabajgtr> yesterday
[01:04] <PriceChild> argh
[01:04] <crdlb> PriceChild, not for a gf2
[01:04] <PriceChild> crdlb, ah
[01:04] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: want to make sure no left over from compiling nvidia drivers are there
[01:04] <PriceChild> so how did the upgrade break it?
[01:04] <PriceChild> I'm confused...
[01:04] <BluesKaj> you're running VMware , eTiger13 ?
[01:04] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt have unless it was the -14 kernel
[01:04] <eTiger13> virtualPC
[01:04] <kitche> crdlb: umm install nvidia-glx-legacy for gf2 cards
[01:05] <PriceChild> If it were supported in edgy on nvidia-glx then it will be supported in nvidia-glx on feisty...
[01:05] <crdlb> kitche, that's what I said
[01:05] <BluesKaj> can you connect to the net inside virtual pc
[01:05] <BluesKaj> ?
[01:05] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: gf2 cards havent been supported by -glx in a long time iirc
[01:05] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, agreed... so why the comment on the upgrade broke it?
[01:05] <Tm_T> legacy stuff
[01:05] <kitche> PriceChild: like two driver releases or maybe 3
[01:06] <gnomefreak> i dont know where that came from unless he meant the stuff rat... told him to do
[01:06] <PriceChild> cabajgtr, I'm guessing you installed the driver previously from a 3rd party source?
[01:06] <cabajgtr> no, I originally installed it from repos
[01:06] <kitche> crdlb: ah I got you mixed up with cabajgtr :)
[01:06] <cabajgtr> super easy
[01:06] <PriceChild> Then how on earth did it break on the upgrade?
[01:06] <cabajgtr> new kernel?
[01:06] <xipietotec> will the next release of GNUstep be available in Feisty?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> xipietotec: thats wayyyyy offtopic in here
[01:07] <PriceChild> !info gnustep feisty
[01:07] <ubotu> gnustep: The GNUstep Development Environment -- user applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.2 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB
[01:07] <gnomefreak> xipietotec: i think ompaul has set up a channel for that dist.
[01:07] <kitche> cabajgtr: did you install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> nevermind
[01:07] <gnomefreak> i miss read gnustep
[01:07] <cabajgtr> nvidia-glx
[01:08] <gnomefreak> cabajgtr: how far did you get in the insteructions that rat... gave you?
[01:08] <gnomefreak> instructions*
[01:08] <cabajgtr> I completed them
[01:08] <gnomefreak> :(
[01:08] <gnomefreak> did the link he gave you explain how to un do what you did?
[01:08] <xipietotec> gnomefreak: well... I was trying to install etoile but it depends currently on gnustep SVN, but GNUstep is about to make a new release soon, at which point Etoile will remain with stable versions...I'm just wondering if the next release of GNUstep will be available as an update or whatnot?
[01:09] <gnomefreak> xipietotec: look for it in gutsy nothing will be added to feisty
[01:09] <cabajgtr> well, I tried to apt-get remove --purge everything I could think of
[01:09] <gnomefreak> cabajgtr: compiling the drivers isnt gonna be removed by apt
[01:10] <gnomefreak> cabajgtr: do you have the .run file still?
[01:10] <cabajgtr> Oh, no, I'm not sure how to remove the nvidia module I just compiled
[01:10] <cabajgtr> yes
[01:10] <gnomefreak> cabajgtr: im trying to remmeber the uninstall command for them
[01:10] <PriceChild> I know where to find it
[01:10] <kitche> PriceChild: you just install a new driver
[01:10] <gnomefreak> it will un build the modules it had to build
[01:10] <PriceChild> kitche, incorrect
[01:10] <gnomefreak> hopfully. this isnt always the case
[01:11] <gnomefreak> kitche: no you will get api error
[01:11] <gnomefreak> missmatch
[01:11] <kitche> it's also sh nvidia-bla-bla.run --uninstall
[01:11] <PriceChild> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy#HOW_TO_UNINSTALL_THE_DRIVER_.28FROM_METHOD_2.29
[01:11] <PriceChild> that'll do it
[01:11] <gnomefreak> thats what i was thinking
[01:11] <PriceChild> stop ?dm first though
[01:11] <kitche> well I never have but then again it's also I never tried it on ubuntu :)
[01:11] <PriceChild> and restore your xorg of course
[01:11] <gnomefreak> cabajgtr: can you please follow the link PriceChild gave
[01:11] <PriceChild> that link explains things :)
[01:11] <gnomefreak> brb
[01:12] <cabajgtr> ok, so once I have removed it then what?
[01:13] <kitche> I m so use to more advance distros :(
[01:13] <PriceChild> cabajgtr, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy nvidia-xconfig nvidia-settings
[01:13] <PriceChild> those two other packages are optional
[01:13] <PriceChild> its the -legacy that is required
[01:13] <cabajgtr> ok, I'll give it a try
[01:14] <gnomefreak> -legacy should bring in headers and l-r-m
[01:14] <gnomefreak> maybe not headers
[01:15] <PriceChild> Sorted.
[01:15] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[01:15] <gnomefreak> hopfully
[01:17] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:19] <soothsay> Anybody know a small live-cd distro with Windows anti-virus?
[01:19] <hikenboot> which package removes openoffice without removing ubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <kitche> why is the package downgraded for nvidia a bug?
[01:20] <gnomefreak> hikenboot: none
[01:20] <magic_ninja> damnit
[01:20] <magic_ninja> for some reason i can't click on windows
[01:21] <magic_ninja> my mouse and everything is moving fine but i can't click on shit
[01:21] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-desktop isnt really needed but it is recomemded to be installed while upgrading
[01:21] <gnomefreak> magic_ninja: restart X
[01:21] <|NewUser|> Brb
[01:21] <gnomefreak> or reboot
[01:21] <magic_ninja> i just installed updates last night and rebooted
[01:21] <magic_ninja> i've tried restarting x
[01:21] <magic_ninja> lemme try it again
[01:22] <gnomefreak> if not please reconfigure X
[01:22] <magic_ninja> nothing is responding to what i click on
[01:22] <hikenboot> gnomefreak, the package is openoffice.org-core
[01:22] <gnomefreak> make sure mouse is plugged in? if it is unplug it and plug it back in
[01:22] <gnomefreak> hikenboot: OO.o depends on ubuntu-desktop
[01:23] <gnomefreak> OO.o depends on OO.o-core
[01:23] <magic_ninja> gnomefreak: its not a hardware issue i'm sure of it
[01:23] <magic_ninja> shit ic an right click
[01:23] <magic_ninja> srry about language
[01:23] <gnomefreak> magic_ninja: im not saying it is.
[01:23] <xipietotec> how do I import a public key from a text file?
[01:23] <gnomefreak> thats why i said unplug it and plug it back in. it might be the way X is seeing it
[01:23] <magic_ninja> it appears my left mouse button is broken
[01:23] <magic_ninja> when i click hard it works
[01:24] <magic_ninja> i'm about to call microsoft tech support, there is a 1 year warranty on this mouse
[01:24] <kitche> xipietotec: is it just a plain text file if not use the --import command on gpg
[01:24] <magic_ninja> i wonder if microsoft tech support gives help to linux users lol
[01:24] <magic_ninja> its working fine now
[01:24] <magic_ninja> mabye the mouse just had some dirt in it
[01:25] <orient2000> they will tell you their mouse is linux incompatible
[01:25] <magic_ninja> are the new kernel updates working
[01:25] <magic_ninja> orient2000: you really think they will?
[01:25] <magic_ninja> orient2000: i bet they try to get me to install windows
[01:26] <orient2000> sure to get rid of you they can tell you that. just clean your mouse, open it
[01:26] <magic_ninja> its optical
[01:26] <magic_ninja> and you can't
[01:26] <snowpunk98> If I want to totally remove a package installed via apt-get so it was like nothing was there would it be apt-get --purge remove package or apt-get remove --purge package
[01:27] <orient2000> buttons are not optical
[01:27] <magic_ninja> lol don't use apt-get for graphics drivers, it keeps wrecking my x
[01:27] <xipietotec> umm....is the password for gnome-keyring-manager different than my login password?
[01:27] <cabajgtr> Ok, I tried nvidia-legacy, but I can't find a nvidia-kernel-legacy
[01:27] <magic_ninja> orient2000: you can't open it lol, not without breaking it, its working, i slammed it on desk
[01:27] <Shaddox> Hello eeryone. Where do I get help for Ubuntu Server 7.04 latest daily build?
[01:27] <orient2000> I had the same problem
[01:27] <PriceChild> cabajgtr, nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:27] <cabajgtr> thats the driver, but not the kernel module
[01:28] <PriceChild> cabajgtr, the driver _is_ a kernel module
[01:28] <magic_ninja> cabajgtr: it is not reccomended to do so, but why don't you try using the driver from the nvidia website...apt-get tends to not misconfigure x that way
[01:28] <cabajgtr> well, installing nvidia-glx-legacy did not add a "nvidia.ko" to my /lib/modules/
[01:28] <PriceChild> !worksforme | magic_ninja
[01:28] <ubotu> magic_ninja: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[01:29] <PriceChild> cabajgtr, It gets moved dynamically afaik
[01:29] <sgomes> hey everyone! X.org still randomly crashes, even though I switched to the "nv" driver. I got a backtrace, though it doesn't look too useful: http://pastebin.ca/441993
[01:29] <orient2000> I am just waiting for my mouse to fail again so I can take a big hammer and slash microsoft
[01:29] <Shaddox> I just ditched Windows 3 days ago.
[01:29] <Shaddox> I need help setting up some stuff in Ubuntu and Ubuntu Server, though, ^^
[01:29] <magic_ninja> whats your question
[01:29] <Shaddox> Not just one question
[01:29] <PriceChild> cabajgtr, if you install that package and set xorg.conf to use the "nvidia" driver then when xorg gets started then it should copy the module and all work
[01:30] <magic_ninja> PriceChild: lol, i'm not the only one
[01:30] <Shaddox> More of I need help with everything. XD
[01:30] <cabajgtr> Well, I don't have a nvidia.ko to modprobe
[01:30] <PriceChild> magic_ninja, ?
[01:30] <kitche>  sgomes what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say caught 11 means the Xorg server crashed due ot something but the xorg log works better
[01:30] <gnomefreak> see it works
[01:31] <Buttons> i see
[01:31] <magic_ninja> PriceChild: there has been a ton of issues with new graphics card drivers, not with just me but with at least half of the users
[01:31] <BluesKaj> Shaddox, adept notifier in the panel will let you know when you have updates waiting
[01:31] <sgomes> kitche: that *is* an extract from my /var/log/Xorg.0.log :-/
[01:31] <Shaddox> Uh...I don't need to update stuff. ^^
[01:31] <Shaddox> I already did that.
[01:31] <PriceChild> magic_ninja, but suggesting 3rd party software is not the best idea...
[01:31] <kitche> sgomes: that's teh backtrace which isn't the full Xorg.0.log I need the full thing
[01:31] <gnomefreak> the nvidia drivers issues have been for most part all been worked out
[01:31] <PriceChild> magic_ninja, this is feisty, its in development and you should be filing bugs etc. to help get feisty work
[01:31] <sgomes> kitche: alright then
[01:32] <magic_ninja> PriceChild: i havn't found any, and the ones i have found already been filed
[01:32] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: ever figure out the 6200 and up?
[01:32] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, pardon?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> setting up the nvidia 6200 and 7300
[01:32] <sgomes> kitche: I put it at http://pastebin.ca/441998
[01:32] <gnomefreak> atleast those
[01:33] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, arg... they don't work immediately on -glx or -glx-new ? :(
[01:33] <gnomefreak> i havent been able to get them set up easily
[01:34] <kitche> sgomes: seems like you got rejected from your local X
[01:34] <sgomes> kitche: eh? why would that happen?
[01:35] <kitche> sgomes: no clue
[01:35] <Shaddox> Hello everyone. Can someone help me to set up a static IP and fix my touchy wireless connection on both my Ubuntu Desktop 7.04 dailybuild and Ubuntu Server 7.04 dailybuild machines?
[01:35] <sgomes> kitche: well, thanks anyway, now I have something to look for
[01:35] <jpsamara> any plans for the RC relase and the gold relese?
[01:35] <cabajgtr> pricechild: its not copying the module, when I load X it says it cant load the nvidia driver
[01:35] <PriceChild> jpsamara, no "plans" yet
[01:36] <Arwen> Shaddox, I can, if you're willing to let me help
[01:36] <Shaddox> I can use all the help I can get right now...have had so many problems, ^^
[01:36] <gnomefreak> !freenode
[01:36] <ubotu> freenode is the IRC network that you're on! See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[01:38] <jpsamara> PriceChild: the rd
[01:38] <Arwen> Shaddox, well, to setup a static IP address, you edit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:38] <Shaddox> On which one?
[01:38] <jpsamara> PriceChild: the rc bugs weren't fixed yet?
[01:39] <PriceChild> jpsamara, no news yet
[01:39] <Arwen> Shaddox, both?
[01:39] <CarlFK> sudo apt-get install vmware-player = failed... "Module vmnet is not loaded.  Please verify that it is loaded before running this script."
[01:40] <CarlFK> hmm, this is from a feisty I installed over a week ago... I'll try again on yesterdays build
[01:41] <gnomefreak> ok Buttons im installing it to find out
[01:41] <gnomefreak> the ISO;s were rolled today
[01:41] <Buttons> ty gnome
[01:42] <gnomefreak> rc should be released monday/tuesday
[01:42] <Arwen> I thought the RC was due out 3 days ago?
[01:42] <gnomefreak> it was
[01:43] <gnomefreak> there were kernel issues that needed to be fixed first
[01:43] <Arwen> was it delayed?
[01:43] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:43] <Arwen> OMG! Vaporware!
[01:43] <Toma-> Arwen: basically, things get released when they work.
[01:45] <gnomefreak> Cat-in-the-Matt: can you please stop changing nicks so often
[01:45] <Endler> Will final still be released on the 19th a few days after the rc, or will it be pushed off until one week after the rc is released?
[01:46] <gnomefreak> Endler: not sure yet but it should be released on time
[01:46] <gnomefreak> there hasnt been any word saying it will be delayed
[01:47] <orient2000> release is already burned on CD's for shipping
[01:47] <Endler> Just thought it might, because otherwise their won't really be much time to actually make use of any feed back from the rc before releasing final if there are only a few days between them.
[01:47] <thunderstruck> ok Buttons lets figure this out
[01:47] <Endler> there
[01:48] <Buttons> k
[01:52] <Tm_T> obvio171: btw my /boot takes now ~90 MB
[01:52] <obvio171> I can't run the edgy-feisty upgrader. I have a 37mb /boot partition and it complained there wasn't room enough. Then I moved everything out and tried again, it still says it's not enough. How much room do I need?
[01:52] <obvio171> darn
[01:52] <gnomefreak> what about / partition (root)
[01:53] <obvio171> gnomefreak: 14 gigs left
[01:53] <gnomefreak> root should be bigger than boot in most cases
[01:53] <Arwen> bah, everyone knows that 200GB /boot partitions are essential
[01:54] <obvio171> heheh
[01:54] <Endler> I take it the ATA issues have been resolved?  I'm not sure if it's the same issue or not, but I have a perfectly good CDROM drive I couldn't install the beta from because of a driver problem.  I had to swap drives install.
[01:54] <obvio171> i have a 37Mb /boot and a 19Gb root
[01:54] <jpsamara> rc released yet??
[01:55] <Tm_T> jpsamara: nope, and maybe not at all
[01:55] <DarkX> /dev/sda1              96M   20M   71M  23% /boot
[01:55] <DarkX> im not running fiesty yet tho
[01:55] <obvio171> DarkX: yeah, mine with Edgy takes 17Mb
[01:56] <jpsamara> Tm_T: no words yet?
[01:56] <DarkX> swtf is it trying to put  in boot...only thing that should be in there is kernels..grub and maybe a boot image
[01:56] <jpsamara> Tm_T: do you think they will skip RC ?
[01:56] <DarkX> and initrd
[01:56] <Tm_T> jpsamara: that's what I've heard
[01:57] <jpsamara> Tm_T: thx.. lets hope
[01:57] <Toma-> no, herd6 was cancelled to focus on RC
[01:57] <Toma-> you wouldnt go from herd5 to final
[01:57] <Arwen> what did he do?
[01:58] <Arwen> gnomefreak, oi, what did thunderstruck do?
[01:58] <gnomefreak> Arwen: it was me my other client frozer
[01:58] <gnomefreak> -r
[01:58] <darko> how can i set the cpu frequency table?
[01:58] <gnomefreak> doesnt anyone read hostmasks :(
[01:59] <darko> I'm on a pentium m and the cpu frequency table is apparantly incorrect
[01:59] <darko> help :(
[01:59] <Tm_T> Toma-: well Seveas said... oh well, I don't care as long as release isn't delayed many days
[01:59] <CarlFK> apt-get upgrade says "You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead!" - should that be reported ?
[02:00] <Tm_T> CarlFK: ignore
[02:00] <Tm_T> for now on, or read whole message and do adjustments it suggests
[02:00] <CarlFK> Tm_T: ?
[02:01] <Tm_T> CarlFK: yes, it should tell you how to do the adjustment, but you can ignore it now
[02:02] <lazka> DarkX: were you talking about "not enough space in /boot"?
[02:03] <Centaur5> What is the command I type to output lsmod to a file?
[02:03] <crimsun> lsmod > foo
[02:03] <crimsun> where foo is the desired filename
[02:04] <Centaur5> alright, thanks
[02:04] <darko> crimsun: can you help me set the frequency table of my pentium m?
[02:05] <crimsun> darko: no, sorry.
[02:05] <darko> k
[02:05] <darko> :)
[02:06] <Linoleum> hi
[02:09] <Centaur5> Is there a way to make acpi-noirq always stay as a boot option even when a new kernel update is installed?
[02:09] <Centaur5> oops, acpi=noirq
[02:11] <Arwen> does Linux support Intel fakeraid?
[02:11] <Linoleum> please, I m trying to install feisty on my raid0 system . everything went fine, folowing howtos ... but at the boot then, I have "waiting for root file system" ... if I wait few minutes, I have an ALERT! does not exit
[02:12] <CarlFK> Centaur5: I think you want /boot/grub/menu.lst ## Start Default Options
[02:12] <Linoleum> Arwen: I m on a intel fakeraid
[02:12] <jpsamara> what is fakeraid?
[02:12] <Centaur5> CarlFK: Perfect, thanks.  :)
[02:12] <Linoleum> Arwen and I ve got problem to run ubuntu
[02:13] <Arwen> huh
[02:13] <Arwen> jpsamara, it's a raid... only fake
[02:14] <jpsamara> Arwen: its a software raid?
[02:14] <Arwen> jpsamara, basically, it's a RAID card that doesn't actually do RAID
[02:14] <Arwen> jpsamara, kind of... it's the RAID equivalent of a winmodem
[02:14] <CarlFK> Arwen: so like my vga card? :)
[02:15] <Arwen> lol
[02:15] <CarlFK> Arwen: how is that different than plain ol ide card?
[02:15] <jpsamara> arwen: wich mobo do you have
[02:15] <Linoleum> does someone have any idea why I have a ALERT! does not exist at the boot , at the busybox ??
[02:16] <Arwen> CarlFK, it doesn't really..
[02:16] <Arwen> jpsamara, Intel 925XE
[02:17] <jpsamara> arwen does it have an opensource driver? intel is opensourcing a lot these days
[02:18] <Arwen> jpsamara, dunno, it supposedly follows the AHCI standard posted by Intel
[02:18] <CarlFK> sounds worse than a plain ol ide card
[02:19] <Arwen> CarlFK, hehe, it is
[02:19] <Arwen> software raid is better than fakeraid
[02:19] <CarlFK> oh brother
[02:23] <word> Errmm...I get this error in my Xorg.0.log - "BOGUS LENGTH in write keyboard desc, expected 5840, got 5844" and then x crashes...anyone know what could be wrong?
[02:24] <Arwen> w00t, the ati driver doesn't cause kernel panics anymore!
[02:24] <Arwen> yay! (even though it's still 30% slower than Windows' reference ATI driver...)
[02:25] <BluesKaj> took me a bit of redoing but i managed to get direct rendering back on my ati setup after the kernel upgrade
[02:25] <effie_jayx> does anyone have problems with WPA passkeys and bcm4318 wireless card and ndiswrapper?
[02:31] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[02:31] <aaroncampbell> That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.  What can I do to get rid of it?
[02:32] <atiredmachine> Hi, I downloaded the latest kernel updates and stuff last night and now Ubuntu won't load up if I choose the newest kernel in grub.
[02:33] <atiredmachine> oh wait, now there's newer kernel updates, that I should probably download, huh?
[02:33] <Hidan> hi does anyone have any smart monitoring tools to recommend, apart from smartctl ?
[02:37] <robertj__> anyone here wrangled with dbus permission errors in feisty, specifically concerning nm-applet?
[02:38] <Shaddox> Hello everyone. I need help setting up my Ubuntu Server 7.04 [daily build]  up to run a webserver. Can someone help me with it?
[02:38] <melinate> howdy folks... long time listener first time caller ;)
[02:39] <melinate> I have Feisty installed on my laptop and for the past 4 days the wireless connection is continually bouncing up and down in signal strength and often dropping altogether
[02:40] <Shaddox> melinate: Are you using a Broadcom wireless card?
[02:40] <TheSilentW> guys how i put JVM working on ubuntu ?
[02:41] <melinate> it is an integrated card in the toshiba laptop..  not sure the chip make [I want to say intel, but not positive] 
[02:41] <|NewUser|> Well there is option in " /System/Prefrence/Desktop Effects " when i try to " Enable Desktop Effects " then my Screen Goes WHITE at all.. nothing happened after 3/4 minutes the desktop get just back and that option is still disable.
[02:41] <Shaddox> |NewUser|: Are you on an ATI video card?
[02:41] <Shaddox> melinate: Can you find out what driver it's using?
[02:42] <|NewUser|> Shaddox: dont think so what it is ATI or Something.
[02:42] <Shaddox> |NewUser|: ATI is a company that develops graphics hardware. I have the same issue that you do, as far as I know it's unavoidable.
[02:42] <|NewUser|> 01:01.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3D (rev 01)
[02:42] <|NewUser|> i think its 64mb card.
[02:43] <Shaddox> |NewUser|: I'm on a 128mb ATI Radeon Xpress 200M, and it has the same issue. I think it's something involving ATI cards.
[02:43] <crdlb> |NewUser|, with an S3, you have to use Xgl, (with beryl you could use copy rendering)
[02:43] <|NewUser|> Shaddox: so u want to say that? the option is just for ATI cards?
[02:43] <melinate> Shaddox: thanks for the help, I'm not sure where to find the driver [apparently it isn't in ifconfig ;)] 
[02:43] <crdlb> the savage driver doesn't implement texture_from_pixmap
[02:43] <Shaddox> |NewUser|: I'm not 100% certain, though, myself. Still rather new, I just know from what problems I have. ^^
[02:44] <effie_jayx> melinate,  try this in the terminal  lspci | grep Network
[02:44] <|NewUser|> crdlb: can i use beryl though?
[02:44] <crdlb> |NewUser|, beryl should work with copy rendering and either beryl or compiz would work with Xgl
[02:44] <crdlb> assuming you have direct rendering
[02:44] <crdlb> |NewUser|, check with: glxinfo|grep direct
[02:44] <BluesKaj> gents , ati prrprietary driver is the one to use if you want driect rendering , if you want eye candy with beryl , then the open source one is it
[02:44] <melinate> Shaddox: here's what I get --> 02:05.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
[02:44] <|NewUser|> crdlb: can i check ? is there any direct rendring or not/
[02:45] <|NewUser|> crdlb: ok let me chk
[02:45] <effie_jayx> BluesKaj,  the Beryl on the repos doesn't work with XGL right?
[02:45] <Shaddox> melinate: Is it on the bcm43xx driver? The bcm43xx driver is still being implemented in Ubuntu completely, and might cause the symptoms you explained. I have the same symptoms.
[02:45] <BluesKaj> effie_jayx,, if you have the right repos yes
[02:46] <effie_jayx> BluesKaj,  I just have the ubuntu repos ;)
[02:46] <word> Errmm...I get this error in my Xorg.0.log - "BOGUS LENGTH in write keyboard desc, expected 5840, got 5844" and then x crashes...anyone know what could be wrong?
[02:46] <BluesKaj> make sure you have the universe multiverse enabled
[02:46] <effie_jayx> Shaddox,  is the bcm43xx driver in bad shape now?
[02:46] <effie_jayx> BluesKaj,  I do
[02:47] <Shaddox> effie_jayx: Not quite sure. All I know is that it's still somewhat buggy, and likes to drop connections.
[02:47] <|NewUser|> crdlb: well when i try that command my Xserver restart itself automatically whats that mean?
[02:47] <crdlb> |NewUser|, that's bad
[02:47] <crdlb> it means the drivers are buggy
[02:48] <|NewUser|> crdlb: so i d0nt use beryl with this card.
[02:48] <effie_jayx> Shaddox,  I am using ndiswrapper and it won't take my wpa passkey
[02:48] <|NewUser|> crdlb: i dont think so anyhow i can get working driver for my VGA.
[02:48] <BluesKaj> also the effie_jayx , the linux restricted modules should be also installed
[02:48] <|NewUser|> coz i think its old.
[02:48] <effie_jayx> BluesKaj,  I got em ;)
[02:49] <BluesKaj> ok xserver-xorg-fglrx \
[02:49] <melinate> Shaddox: I'm not finding a way to see what driver is loaded :? only which chipset
[02:51] <BluesKaj> xorg-driver-fglrx, as well, effie_jayx
[02:51] <effie_jayx> BluesKaj,  I have it installed
[02:51] <effie_jayx> BluesKaj,  I already got 3d rendering ... I got stuck with XGL though
[02:52] <melinate> Shaddox: also you say you have the same symptoms... has it been a recent occurrence for you? [this worked fine for more than a month] 
[02:52] <BluesKaj> can't have both with ati , till "envy" is updated to Feisty :(
[02:53] <Arwen> BluesKaj, envy = fail
[02:53] <BluesKaj> XGL is no go on ATI with direct rendering :(
[02:53] <Arwen> just install the driver manually, geez
[02:53] <RAOF> BluesKaj: Envy won't help with the fglrx driver.  It still sucks.
[02:54] <Arwen> BluesKaj, I was under the impression that XGL was the only way to go with ATI fglrx?
[02:54] <crdlb> with fglrx yes
[02:54] <BluesKaj> it won't work on Feisty ... to be honest I couldn't get beryl to work evn with envy
[02:55] <rpereira> Hi, I updated my desktop with Feisty RC and I'm getting on booting: "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition". What can I do?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> I like my google earth , the other eyecandy stuff, i can live without :)
[02:55] <RAOF> BluesKaj: Direct rendering != 3D acceleration.
[02:55] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:55] <RAOF> You can still run google earth under XGL.
[02:56] <RAOF> (Or you should, as long as the fglrx driver isn't spectacularly stupid)
[02:56] <effie_jayx> BluesKaj,  you said you got the effects to work for you?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> I couldn't with my elcheapo 200m ati
[02:56] <Arwen> BluesKaj, you know, XGL != beryl?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> do XGL
[02:56] <effie_jayx> BluesKaj,  I got the same infamous card
[02:56] <Arwen> but, if you can, I recommend using the open source driver
[02:57] <InnerFIRE> anyone get democracyplayer to work?
[02:57] <crdlb> not on a 200m
[02:57] <Arwen> InnerFIRE, no? I just use VLC...
[02:57] <crdlb> the free driver doesn't support it at all
[02:57] <effie_jayx> BluesKaj,  I seem to have installed the package for xgl but...
[02:57] <InnerFIRE> thats not what democracy player is for
[02:57] <InnerFIRE> its rss
[02:57] <Arwen> the open driver doesn't do the 200m? isn't that r300?
[02:57] <InnerFIRE> like penguintv
[02:57] <crdlb> it's a memory allocation issue
[02:57] <effie_jayx> BluesKaj,  when I start my xgl session the icons and  the menus are broken
[02:57] <Arwen> huh, ah well..
[02:58] <crdlb> the 200m is motherboard-integrated
[02:58] <BluesKaj> open source is supposed to make beryl work ... the proprietary driver fglrx makes google earth work , but not both
[02:58] <RAOF> effie_jayx: That's because you've followed a broken tutorial.
[02:59] <effie_jayx> RAOF,  right :S
[02:59] <effie_jayx> hehe
[02:59] <Arwen> crdlb, hmm, it works on my hypermemory card so I wonder....
[02:59] <Arwen> effie_jayx, define "broken"
[02:59] <BluesKaj> yes RAOF, agreed there are too many misinformed tutorials out there misdirecting ppl
[03:00] <Arwen> effie_jayx, seriously, describe how the icons and menus are broken? if they look really ugly, it could be because "gnome-settings-daemon" isn't running
[03:00] <effie_jayx> Arwen, well all fonts  and icons come fuzzed up. totally unreadable ...
[03:00] <Arwen> oh... that's different
[03:01] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  how can I check??
[03:01] <word> Errmm...I get this error in my Xorg.0.log - "BOGUS LENGTH in write keyboard desc, expected 5840, got 5844" and then x crashes...anyone know what could be wrong?
[03:01] <Arwen> effie_jayx, forget what I said, you have a different issue..
[03:01] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  thanks
[03:01] <Shaddox> Hi everyone, I need some help with my Feisty server, can someone help me with the questions and things I need to deal with?
[03:02] <Fylk> Just ask your questions Shaddox. If some one can answer them, they will.
[03:03] <Arwen> effie_jayx, oh, well, it can't hurt to try, run "gnome-settings-daemon" in a terminal
[03:03] <Shaddox> Well I need help with a lot of things, the first being I need someone to help me set up the DNS server that i chose to install with the installer, ^^
[03:04] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  the thing is I can't see a thing with all things ugly ;)
[03:04] <melinate> Shaddox: Just wanted to let you know, I found a command to see what drivers are installed [pcimodules] ... looks like I'm using ipw2200 not bcm43xx.. thanks for the though though
[03:04] <Arwen> effie_jayx, hehe, well, beryl is kinda useless, so just live with metacity?
[03:04] <N6REJ> evening all, I found a grub bug when updating the kernel today, ... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15892/
[03:05] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  I have been for the last two years ;)
[03:05] <melinate> Shaddox: you need to change the DNS server after install, or during?
[03:05] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  I do dual boot and I can do beryl fine with dapper...
[03:05] <Arwen> :-)
[03:05] <Arwen> with the right themes, metacity is nice and pretty too :-)
[03:05] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  so it's not a Priority ;)
[03:06] <effie_jayx> melinate,  what card do you use?
[03:06] <Fylk> What themes do you use Arwen?
[03:06] <Arwen> Fylk, the SphereCrystal one :-\
[03:07] <Fylk> Link please?
[03:07] <Arwen> it recycles KDE icons
[03:07] <melinate> effie_jayx: I have a intel pro 2200... so I should have the right driver... but what is happening is the past several days the wireless connection is fluctuating in strength/quality and often dropping completely
[03:07] <Arwen> Fylk, just install "gtk2-engines-spherecrystal"
[03:08] <Shaddox> melinate: I don't know, I just installed Ubuntu-server, turned on SSH so I can remotely connect, and chose to install the DNS and the LAMP servers.
[03:09] <melinate> Shaddox: Oh.... so you made your ubuntu server into a DNS server....
[03:09] <Shaddox> Oh, I did?
[03:12] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  my xgl session starts gnome-session.. can I assume gnome-settings-daemon is runing then?
[03:12] <Arwen> effie_jayx, say, can you describe in what way your icons and text turn fuzzy in Xgl?
[03:13] <effie_jayx> I'll see about taking a screenshot
[03:13] <Shaddox> melinate: I did? Is it -just- a DNS server? Or is it still a generic server with DNS capabilities?
[03:14] <effie_jayx> Arwen, i'll be back
[03:14] <Arwen> and no, gnome-session doesn't necessarily imply gnome-settings-daemon
[03:16] <effie_jayx> Arwen I shall add it then
[03:16] <Arwen> ok
[03:22] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  it works... I can see the desktp effects... but things look ugly
[03:22] <RAOF> effie_jayx: Are you starting gnome-session with "exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session"?
[03:22] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  and by ugly I mean ... buttons don't look rounded
[03:22] <Hidan> guys, i'm trying to run this command "sudo smartctl -t long /dev/hdc" however, after it states that testing has begun, I'm kicked back to "lucifiel@lucifiel:~$ ". What's going on, anyone knows?
[03:23] <effie_jayx> RAOF,  no... plain gnome-session
[03:23] <RAOF> effie_jayx: Well, you should be using the "dbus-launch" bit.
[03:23] <Arwen> effie_jayx, what happened to the screenshot?
[03:23] <effie_jayx> I got it here
[03:24] <effie_jayx> let me post it
[03:24] <Arwen> effie_jayx, post, that would really help me debug..
[03:26] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  but something surelly must have had an effect on the xgl session... I surelly didn't do anything else to it
[03:26] <Arwen> could be an xgl but too, how's the screen going?
[03:27] <Shaddox> Hi everyone, I need help setting up a DNS protocol on my Ubuntu Server 7.04, can someone help me?
[03:27] <kitche> Shaddox: you mean bind?
[03:28] <Shaddox> Yes. That's what Webmin says I have.
[03:28] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  http://www.flickr.com/photos/87048530@N00/460824984/
[03:28] <Shaddox> It's...version 9.3.4 .
[03:29] <effie_jayx> Arwen, xgl works better now... than it did last sunday
[03:29] <kitche> Shaddox: you got a domain or you want to use it as a cache?
[03:29] <Shaddox> I own four domains.
[03:29] <Shaddox> I am going to use www.archonhosting.com for testing purposes.
[03:29] <Shaddox> I bought that one last week.
[03:30] <Shaddox> Whoops, sorry, meant to type your name, kitche.
[03:30] <Arwen> effie_jayx, is there a higher-resolution post?
[03:30] <Arwen> effie_jayx, wow... speaking of garbled...
[03:30] <kitche> Shaddox: ok this is more advance then to explain here join #kitchetech
[03:31] <Arwen> effie_jayx, that "take screenshot" icon isn't supposed to be that huge?
[03:31] <Arwen> or is it?
[03:31] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  I made it that big just I case I missed the Icon due to resolution failure for icons
[03:31] <billy> uh oh.  only 340 megabytes left on my / partition.  Should I be worried?
[03:32] <Arwen> ah, that makes more sense...
[03:32] <Arwen> huh, from the screenshot, it don't look that fuzzy
[03:32] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  let me
[03:32] <Arwen> billy, yes, VERY WORRIED
[03:32] <billy> Arwen, that's what I thought.  Time to play around with Gparted LiveCD?
[03:33] <Arwen> billy, perhaps
[03:33] <billy> Arwen, is there an alternative to moving a 50 Gig partition to the right to make space?
[03:33] <Arwen> billy, uh, not really
[03:33] <billy> Arwen, awesome.  :)
[03:34] <billy> I guess 4 Gig isn't enough for / partition, folks.  :(
[03:34] <Arwen> billy, lol, mine's 6GB
[03:35] <Arwen> and still 51% free :-)
[03:35] <melinate> greetings folks...  sorry I just dropped... network issues :?
[03:35] <comhack> Hey crimsun  You helped me the other day with a low sound issue with the intel-snd-hda. I lost the link for the fix  Could you help?
[03:36] <billy> Arwen, I'm getting this data with Nautilus file browser.  Is there a terminal command I can use to verify the amount of used and empty space on my partitions?
[03:36] <Arwen> df
[03:36] <word> Errmm...I get this error in my Xorg.0.log - "BOGUS LENGTH in write keyboard desc, expected 5840, got 5844" and then x crashes...anyone know what could be wrong?
[03:36] <Arwen> billy, ^^
[03:36] <melinate> Shaddox: I dropped... did you get your DNS question answered?
[03:37] <billy> Arwen, you mean Gparted, eh?
[03:37] <Arwen> billy, no, "df"
[03:37] <Arwen> type it in a terminal
[03:38] <billy> Arwen, sure enough.  91% used.  Time for sbackup and Gparted Live.  :)
[03:38] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with phpgedview?
[03:39] <comhack> Hey all I and running Feisrty. I have a Intel HDA audio card and the audio works but is extremely low. Any ideals? I checked alsa-mixer and the volume control in gnome also.
[03:39] <atiredmachine> Hi, I downloaded the latest kernel last night and now when I select the latest kernel in grub it gives me an error about my nvidia kernel and won't load x
[03:39] <comhack> also I am running 2.6.20-15-generic
[03:39] <effie_jayx> Arwen, http://www.ventesol.org/images/Screenshot.png
[03:40] <RAOF> atiredmachine: You don't also have the appropriate linux-restricted-modules package.
[03:40] <effie_jayx> that happens everytime I log in... as the gnome panel expands It breaks the icons
[03:40] <atiredmachine> 2.6.20-15-generic is what's giving me trouble.
[03:40] <comhack> mine loads fine but my sound is too low
[03:40] <Arwen> effie_jayx, your icons and text look fine.... but the gunk in the panel worries me
[03:40] <RAOF> atiredmachine: And do you have the "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic" package installed?
[03:41] <Arwen> effie_jayx, also, those icons don't look like the default Human theme... perhaps you should run "gnome-settings-daemon" after all?
[03:41] <atiredmachine> RAOF, yes, it says I already have the newest version of that.
[03:42] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  I added the dbus bit to my xgl session and I got the default theme back
[03:42] <Arwen> ok, guess you're fine then
[03:42] <melinate> anyone have a clue what would cause my wireless to go up and down constantly since about 4 days ago after working perfectly for more than a month on feisty?
[03:43] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  the bit at the top right corner of my pannel goes away after a while... It only happens as icons come up
[03:43] <RAOF> atiredmachine: Hm.  Do you have "nv" in your DISABLED_MODULES in /etc/default/linux-restriced-modules-common ?
[03:43] <Arwen> effie_jayx, well, other than the panel issue, things look fine?
[03:43] <RAOF> melinate: A kernel regression?  A network-manager regression?  Either way, *file a bug*.
[03:44] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  yes they do... do you know the name of that package that can allow me to change settings a bit further
[03:45] <melinate> RAOF: okay.. I can file a bug...
[03:45] <atiredmachine> RAOF, nope, my DISABLED_MODULES is empty
[03:45] <melinate> thanks
[03:45] <RAOF> melinate: Thank *you*.  By filing a bug, you help fix the problem :)
[03:46] <melinate> no problem... actually this wouldn't be my first ubuntu bug report,... just like to check if there is something I should look for first ;)
[03:46] <RAOF> atiredmachine: Ok.  So, now we've covered the most obvious problem, I'll have to actually *think*.  What is the *exact* error message?
[03:47] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  as the widnows wobble... they seem to have a white line bordering the effect ...
[03:48] <atiredmachine> RAOF, well it gives me a very similar error to when I've messed up my xorg.conf in the past.  Asks me if I want to view a detailed xorg.conf report or something along those lines
[03:48] <atiredmachine> I can reboot and write down exactly what it says.
[03:48] <RAOF> atiredmachine: That might help, yes.
[03:48] <atiredmachine> ok, brb
[03:49] <BluesKaj> what's a good utility for copying protected CDs ?
[03:51] <Toma-> BluesKaj: dvdshrink
[03:51] <effie_jayx> Arwen,  thanks again for all your help
[03:52] <jtt> i need som apt-get help
[03:52] <jtt> i want to apt-get a fiesty pkg only and apply it to edby
[03:53] <jtt> any help woudl be appredieated
[03:53] <Kikkoman> Does ntfs-3g work with Feisty?
[03:53] <Kikkoman> And, is there anything better >.>;
[03:53] <comhack> Hello all I am running fesity  and have a INtel hda audio card. The sound is extremely low, does anyone have a fix?
[03:53] <comhack> yeah ntfs-3g works perfect
[03:53] <RAOF> Kikkoman: Yes, and no.  You probably want the ntfs-config package.
[03:53] <crimsun> Kikkoman: it works just fine.
[03:53] <crimsun> comhack: pastebin /proc/asound/card0/codec* , then tell me the url
[03:54] <comhack> ok
[03:54] <RAOF> Hey crimsun.  Good morning, and welcome to the 24 hour HDA Intel bug channel!
[03:54] <comhack> pastebin  not found
[03:54] <RAOF> !pastebin | comhack
[03:54] <ubotu> comhack: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:54] <comhack> ok thank
[03:56] <comhack> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15893/
[03:56] <Kikkoman> :\
[03:57] <Kikkoman> How do I install the ntfs-config package?
[03:57] <Kikkoman> I tried the sudo apt-get install ntfs-config but that didn't work
[03:58] <atiredmachine> RAOF,  FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[03:58] <atiredmachine> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[03:58] <atiredmachine> (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** ABORTING ***
[03:58] <atiredmachine> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
[03:58] <atiredmachine> Fatal server error: no screens found
[03:58] <comhack> crimsun http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15893/
[03:58] <crimsun> comhack: yes, I saw; I'm reading.
[03:58] <comhack> sorry
[03:58] <comhack> thanks
[03:58] <RAOF> !info ntfs-config feisty
[03:58] <ubotu> ntfs-config: Enable/disable write support for any NTFS devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 432 kB
[03:59] <crimsun> comhack: sudo modprobe -r snd-hda-intel && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto
[03:59] <comhack> ok
[03:59] <crimsun> comhack: does that above command give you audio at a perceptive "normal" volume?
[03:59] <comhack> FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use.
[03:59] <crimsun> close/kill whatever audio apps are open, including the mixer applet
[04:00] <comhack> ok
[04:00] <RAOF> atiredmachine: "Error running install command for nvidia"??  Crazy.
[04:00] <atiredmachine> ha
[04:00] <comhack> still really low
[04:00] <madman91> hello all'
[04:01] <madman91> i just upgraded with the official method.. and my mouse scrolly thing wont work in nautilus and firefox..
[04:01] <atiredmachine> RAOF, that only happens when I choose the 2.6.20-15-generic kernel.. 2.6.20-14-generic loads of without a problem.
[04:01] <bill__k> has a solution been implemented in feisty to make the installation of broadcom wireless easier?
[04:01] <crimsun> comhack: ok, repeat, only this time use model=3stack
[04:01] <comhack> ok
[04:01] <bill__k> otherwise i'm stuck with bcm43xx fwcutter or ndis wrapper (also kubuntu to be specific)
[04:02] <crimsun> comhack: 3stack is the correct (and default) one according to the source code
[04:02] <comhack> nope too low
[04:03] <crimsun> comhack: ok, there are also 3stack-660 and 3stack-dig
[04:03] <Kikkoman> How do I install the ntfs-3g package? I moved my second hard drive to the desktop and it has a lock icon, so I don't know if I can write to it. (I can read from it perfectly.
[04:03] <comhack> you showed me a link the other day about a ubuntu bug that fixed the sound problem
[04:03] <atiredmachine> What is a generic linux kernel anyways?  Shouldn't a 64-bit OS have something more fancy than a generic kernel? heh
[04:03] <comhack> i just had to reinstall because of a pam issue
[04:04] <crimsun> comhack: that was for a different codec.
[04:04] <jtt> how can i force edgy installed system to pick up certain feisty packages using apt-get
[04:04] <comhack> well it worked
[04:04] <RAOF> atiredmachine: It's "generic" because it's not arch-specific.  Also, weird.  *My* 2.6.20-15 kernel works fine with my nvidia cards.
[04:04] <crimsun> comhack: "it worked" is far too vague. I have absolutely no recollection of what I possibly told you. I deal with audio bugs 24/7 seemingly. Your machine isn't unique.
[04:05] <comhack> ok sorry
[04:05] <crimsun> comhack: for completeness, please pastebin `lspci -vvn` as well
[04:05] <comhack> ok
[04:05] <atiredmachine> RAOF, could it have anything to do with my monitor having a weird resoltuion (1440x900)? or having beryl installed?
[04:06] <RAOF> atiredmachine: No.  My laptop has a 1600x1050 resolution, and that works, and both my computers use Compiz.
[04:08] <comhack> sorry here ya go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15895/
[04:09] <Tom47> how can i tell if i am using the 2.6.20.15.24 or the 2.6.20.15.25 kernel?
[04:09] <thompa> i can get cube in beryl, but not in desktop effects (compiz)
[04:09] <Kikkoman> How do I install the ntfs-3g package? I moved my second hard drive to the desktop and it has a lock icon, so I don't know if I can write to it. (I can read from it perfectly.
[04:09] <crimsun> comhack: right, that's model=auto
[04:09] <Kikkoman> I kind of need to know
[04:09] <comhack> ok
[04:09] <crimsun> comhack: are you now saying that model=auto doesn't work, even from a cold power-down boot?
[04:09] <thompa> Tom47: type uname -r
[04:10] <comhack> let me try again but I think so
[04:10] <thompa> Tom47: in terminal
[04:10] <Tom47> thompa that only goes as far as 2.6.20.15 ... not the extra two digits
[04:10] <Kikkoman> Umm
[04:10] <crimsun> Tom47: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii
[04:11] <Kikkoman> Could #ubuntu+1 be at least somewhat helpful?
[04:11] <crimsun> Kikkoman: could you be at least somewhat more precise?
[04:11] <Kikkoman> This is Ok
[04:11] <Kikkoman> ok*
[04:12] <RAOF> Kikkoman: It could, if there were fewer people asking for help :).  You, however want to either install the "ntfs-config" package, and if that doesn't work, then enable the Universe repository and *then* install it.
[04:12] <atiredmachine> RAOF, should I file a bug report then?
[04:12] <Kikkoman> Oh
[04:12] <Tom47> crimsun my eyes are popping now it says 2.6.20-15.27!!!! am sure the upgrade just said it installe .25
[04:12] <Kikkoman> See that is what I was looking for
[04:12] <Kikkoman> Enabling the Universe repository
[04:12] <Kikkoman> :D Thanks
[04:12] <thompa> Tom47: i got -27 as latest
[04:12] <RAOF> atiredmachine: Maybe you should check that you've got the latest packages of everything first.
[04:13] <Tom47> thompa ty
[04:13] <comhack> crimsun   it didnt work
[04:13] <RAOF> atiredmachine: Install the "linux-generic" package, then run a "sudo aptitude update  && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" cycle.
[04:13] <feistyman> can anyone suggest a good photo printing program?
[04:13] <thompa> Tom47: also in synaptic if you search kernel you can see all details
[04:14] <crimsun> comhack: that's from a powerdown?
[04:14] <comhack> yup
[04:14] <Tom47> crimsun / thompa mybad ... it did install .27 ... ty and nice to be sure my grub is properly working
[04:14] <crimsun> comhack: how did you add model=auto?
[04:14] <comhack> sudo modprobe -r snd-hda-intel && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto
[04:14] <Tom47> thompa yes was more interested in confirmin what was actually running vs what was installed
[04:14] <crimsun> comhack: do you have an entry in /etc/modprobe.d/* for it?
[04:14] <comhack> hold on
[04:15] <crimsun> Tom47: the canonical method is to inspect the contents of /proc/version_signature
[04:15] <atiredmachine> RAOF, yeah everything is current
[04:15] <comhack> yeah
[04:15] <crimsun> comhack: "yeah" meaning...?
[04:15] <comhack> snd-hda-intel
[04:15] <thompa> anyone running intel macbook here?
[04:15] <comhack> and alsa-base
[04:15] <comhack> in /etc/modprobe.d/
[04:16] <crimsun> comhack: what's the actual line?
[04:16] <RAOF> atiredmachine: Hm, maybe try it anyway.  If it still doesn't work, then it's probably bug time.
[04:16] <Tom47> crimsun ok and thats derived from what is actually running as against what may or mat not be installed?
[04:16] <crimsun> Tom47: correct.
[04:16] <comhack>  snd-hda-intel
[04:16] <Tom47> crimsun thanks a lot
[04:16] <comhack> in the directory you mean/
[04:16] <comhack> ?
[04:16] <crimsun> comhack: I need the entire line
[04:17] <|NewUser|> i m going to install fiesty in my another machine..  but i dont have internet working on it.  i have this another machine with fiesty.. n updated with new kernel.. can anyhow i can transfer my updates with this pc? to another one? through cd/usb ? or direct cabling ?
[04:17] <comhack> from where
[04:17] <comhack> /etc/modprobe.d is a dir
[04:17] <crimsun> comhack: ... /etc/modprobe.d/whatever
[04:17] <crimsun> comhack: grep the entire directory
[04:17] <comhack> ok
[04:18] <comhack> grep /etc/modprobe.d/* outputs nothing
[04:20] <crimsun> grep -nHr "snd-hda-intel" /etc/modprobe.d/*
[04:20] <comhack> ok
[04:20] <|NewUser|> anyone can help?
[04:21] <feistyman> Can anyone tell me how to find programs that aren't listed in the Applications area, like bittorrent, etc.?
[04:21] <comhack> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15897/
[04:21] <crimsun> feistyman: Applications> Add/Remove ...
[04:22] <sergiom1974> hi all,  I'm having issues which my wireless driver not starting when my system boots.  I have to run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" to get it to work.  I'm using ndiswrapper.
[04:22] <crimsun> feistyman: and if that doesn't suffice, use System> Administration> Synaptic
[04:22] <feistyman> crimsun, I'm checking now...
[04:23] <sergiom1974> testing...
[04:24] <RAOF> feistyman: Well, if they're command-line programs (and you've got them installed), you can check out "apropos <command>".
[04:24] <feistyman> RaoF, how do I do that?
[04:25] <feistyman> What if I want to call up a program like bittorrent, and have it run at startup. I don't know how to do that. It only comes up when it's downloading a bittorrent program.
[04:26] <RAOF> feistyman: Applications->Accessories->Terminal will get you a terminal.  Then you just type "apropos bittorrent" (for example), and it'll search through the manual pages for things mattching "bittorrent".
[04:27] <hikenboot> anyone know what causes this error error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory?
[04:27] <|NewUser|> can i repeat my question ? or wait for someone reply?
[04:27] <feistyman> RAOF, how do I simply punch up the program, the same way I can punch up "openoffice"?
[04:27] <comhack> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15897/
[04:29] <Tom47> |NewUser|: why not create a lan?
[04:29] <budluva_> has anyone here ever converted x264 to dvd?
[04:29] <kitche> hikenboot: that looks like a bad error
[04:30] <RAOF> feistyman: Aah.  Subtly different question to what I was answering :).  The short answer is, you can't.  Not the same way (because running the Gnome-Bittorrent program doesn't really make sense without the .torrent file).
[04:31] <|NewUser|> Tom47: i have just valid 1 connection :<
[04:31] <feistyman> But what if you wanted it to run at startup, the way my gmail notifier does? What if there's an unfinished torrent?
[04:31] <|NewUser|> Tom47:  well using LAN connection my admin bind my mac with my ip so i cant use more connection with another ip or mac.
[04:31] <RAOF> feistyman: The long answer is: you can run it from a terminal, and you can make a launcher for it.
[04:31] <Tom47> ok
[04:32] <RAOF> feistyman: Or, you can install the "deluge-torrent" bittorrent client, which has a menu item in the "Internet" category, and is a more fully-featured client.
[04:32] <feistyman> You can tell it to launch from the terminal?
[04:33] <obvio171_away> hi i'd like to know if installing the x86 version on top of an amd64 slows down things too much
[04:33] <hikenboot> kitche, so how do i find out what the real problem is?
[04:33] <kitche> hikenboot: umm see if you got that file which you should
[04:33] <RAOF> feistyman: Yes, you just need to know what it's called (and that's where "apropos" comes in handy).
[04:33] <feistyman> RAOF, deluge-torrent must be in the synaptic manager, huh?
[04:34] <hikenboot> I do its under /lib
[04:35] <RAOF> obvio171_away: No, it doesn't.  Although the question almost doesn't make sense :)
[04:35] <RAOF> feistyman: It's in "add/remove", too I think.
[04:35] <Tom47> |NewUser|: perhaps something along the following lines http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/05/06/update-or-install-applications-on-debianubuntu-without-an-internet-connection/
[04:35] <feistyman> I couldn't find it there. Do you use it?
[04:35] <|NewUser|> i m going to install fiesty in my another machine..  but i dont have internet working on it.  i have this another machine with fiesty.. n updated with new kernel.. can anyhow i can transfer my updates with this pc? to another one? through cd/usb ? or direct cabling ?
[04:36] <DanaG> !info 915resolution
[04:36] <ubotu> 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-10ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 14 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[04:36] <atiredmachine> I have two sound cards.. does ubuntu not provide any reliable method of choosing one for certain apps and one for other apps and system sounds?
[04:36] <Tom47> |NewUser|: read the entire article as there are two orientations for the process
[04:36] <obvio171> RAOF: why not? i mean, if everything's compiled for 64bits I'd expect a bit of improvement, which is the equivalent "slow down" for using the 32bit binaries.
[04:36] <atiredmachine> I've tried sounds in the control center but it doesn't really do it.
[04:36] <DanaG> atiredmachine: you can use pulseaudio.
[04:37] <DanaG> Also, it'd be useful to set a fixed index for each soundcard in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[04:37] <DanaG> for example,
[04:37] <DanaG> options snd-hda-intel index=0
[04:37] <DanaG> options snd-emu10k1 index=1
[04:37] <|NewUser|> Tom47: where ?
[04:37] <atiredmachine> DanaG, cool thanks I'll check that out.
[04:38] <RAOF> obvio171: Ok, then you gain an average about 30% or so in many CPU intensive tasks (rendering, audio/video encoding/decoding).
[04:38] <Tom47> |NewUser|:  http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/05/06/update-or-install-applications-on-debianubuntu-without-an-internet-connection/
[04:38] <RAOF> obvio171: That is, x86-64 gains 30% performance over IA32.
[04:38] <obvio171> RAOF: ah ok. thanks :-)
[04:39] <DanaG> !pulseaudio
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pulseaudio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <DanaG> !info pulseaudio
[04:39] <ubotu> pulseaudio: PulseAudio sound server. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.5-5ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 288 kB, installed size 1020 kB
[04:39] <RAOF> obvio171: Of course, since for most desktop use the CPU is sitting idle waiting for the next tiny burst of activity to come in, you won't see any performance improvement in just webbrowsing, email, etc.
[04:40] <Tom47> |NewUser|: see also http://ubuntuliving.blogspot.com/2007/04/copying-updates-to-other-systems.html
[04:40] <DanaG> You'll also want pulseaudio-module-hal
[04:40] <|NewUser|> Tom47: thanks for the links going to read it all
[04:41] <DanaG> and pulseaudio-module-esound-compat
[04:41] <RAOF> And probably just all of the pulseaudio-* packages, really.  Oh, and padevchooser is *really* useful.
[04:41] <obvio171> RAOF: that's great then. as i don't do many cpu-intensive stuff, the added compatibility pays off for the little performance penalty
[04:41] <DanaG> and padevchooser and pavumon and pavucontrol
[04:41] <RAOF> obvio171: Indeed.
[04:41] <DanaG> Oh, leave out module-X11 -- it's killed my keyboard sometimes.
[04:41] <DanaG> Or maybe it was Amarok that killed it.
[04:42] <RAOF> DanaG: Was that "killed your keyboard on resume-from-suspend"?
[04:44] <DanaG> Lemme try it again.
[04:44] <DanaG> I think it was when I hit my play key after having killed the daemon --
[04:44] <DanaG> Amarok grabbed the keyboard then crashed.
[04:44] <RAOF> Whoops :)
[04:45] <RAOF> Why did you kill the daemon?  Oh, and Banshee doesn't much like it when your network audio sink goes away while you're playing :)
[04:45] <DanaG> Oh, and I didn't have autospawn on.
[04:45] <Stormx2> What's with all the kernel updates non-stop?
[04:46] <RAOF> People keep reporting kernel bugs :)
[04:46] <gord> damn them!
[04:46] <|NewUser|> Tom47: i just check the web and fine they are saying that " All the updated package files in any Ubuntu system are cached in /var/cache/apt/archives. " I check this location there is no file :<
[04:46] <|NewUser|> *find
[04:48] <kofler> When I login, I get a really annoying message that says that something or the other crashed. In KDE, it's apport-qt and in GNOME, who knows what it is, but I don't want to see it any more.
[04:49] <DanaG> without changing name, of course.
[04:49] <RAOF> kofler: In gnome it'll be apport-gtk.  And (1) I *think* that's going to get disabled for release.  (2) You should probably be able to go "don't ask about this version again".
[04:51] <sword_> i am new to ubuntu...can anyone recomend a dvd player
[04:52] <RAOF> Totem.  The default player :).  You may want to install totem-xine, though.  You'll also have to install a DeCSS impementation.
[04:53] <|NewUser|> Tom47: u There dude?
[04:53] <kofler> RAOF: Is there a way to disable that from happening in the first place? Also, does that carry over to all users?
[04:54] <RAOF> kofler: Well, given that you're currently meant to be *testing* Feisty, having the crash-reporter enabled is probably important.
[04:55] <RAOF> kofler: However, as I say I *think* it'll be turned off in release, and so there is a way to do that (probably lying around in /etc/init.d/apport or something)
[04:55] <comhack> well no luck with the sound ordeal
[04:56] <|NewUser|> i m trying to list the files which is in dir..  " ls -latr /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
[04:56] <|NewUser|> total 40 " but showing no file there :<
[04:56] <RAOF> kofler: Or, editing /etc/default/apport
[04:57] <crimsun> comhack: make sure you're running the latest bios as appropriate
[04:57] <crimsun> comhack: it's the correct fix for all models with that codec and SSID
[04:57] <comhack> it works with every distro but ubuntu
[04:57] <comhack> and I fixed it the other day I just cannot remember the fix
[04:57] <crimsun> comhack: this channel is logged; just search the logs.
[04:58] <comhack> ok how
[04:58] <crimsun> comhack: this channel is logged; just search the logs.
[04:58] <crimsun> argh
[04:58] <crimsun> !logs > comhack
[04:58] <comhack> thanks
[04:58] <comhack> !logs > comhack
[04:59] <josh_> hi all, does anyone know how to edit the global window shortcuts in gnome? eg, alt-space for the window menu. They're not in the shortcut preferences, so I guess in some config file somewhere?
[05:04] <|NewUser|> !easysource
[05:04] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:05] <Arianna> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2457649#post2457649
[05:08] <jtt> !logs >jtt
[05:08] <comhack> well my luck the log for yesterday is missing
[05:08] <comhack> well 4-14
[05:08] <comhack> that is where the fix is
[05:11] <comhack> here is the page relating to the bug/fix http://hera.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-feisty.git;a=commit;h=b6fffb0f499459dfaef0f022f2da1f3fcb4fbdc2 although I cannot figure out how to fix  the rest of the log is on 4.14 which is missing
[05:11] <sohail> hi, after upgrading to feisty fawn, I seem to have lost wifi on bootup (i have to explicitly do ifup <wifi_iface> or /etc/init.d/networking restart)
[05:11] <sohail> anyone know why?
[05:11] <sohail> this also occurs when I come back from hibernate (haven't tried sleep though)
[05:16] <dr_willis> then there will be 100000+ updated packages? :)
[05:17] <|NewUser|> " ls -ltra /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
[05:17] <|NewUser|> total 40 " there is nothing so why its showing total 40?
[05:17] <shirish> I guess when we go for gutsy gibbon
[05:19] <onaicul> sup room
[05:19] <shirish> guys does anybody know if we can have some other boot usplash?
[05:19] <onaicul> ye you can have what you like
[05:19] <onaicul> that is the whole of the law
[05:19] <comhack> hey crimsun   i noticed in /etc/modproe.d/snd-hda-intel  it lists model as vaio
[05:19] <RAOF> !usplash | shirish
[05:19] <ubotu> shirish: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[05:19] <dr_willis> isent that total like the block or bytes or somthing?
[05:19] <comhack> maybe change to auto?
[05:21] <|NewUser|> i just  install clean fiesty in my  machine..  but i dont have internet working on it.  i have updated fiesty with new kernel in another machine. can anyhow i can transfer my updates with this pc? to another one? through cd/usb ? or direct cabling ?
[05:21] <shirish> RAOF: I was thinking more of pre-built ubuntu usplash packages which one could simply install, this is too much of hard work.
[05:21] <dr_willis> |NewUser|,  what sort of networking you using? wireless?
[05:22] <RAOF> shirish: Eh, I dunno.  There's probably some sort of ubuntu-studio usplash, maybe a kubuntu usplash?
[05:22] <|NewUser|> dr_willis: i dont have internet on another machine.. i m using LAN through static IP method.
[05:23] <dr_willis> |NewUser|,  and this is a normal wired network card? not wireless card?
[05:23] <|NewUser|> dr_willis:  yes this is wired network card
[05:24] <dr_willis> |NewUser|,  can the 2 machines ping each other?
[05:24] <|NewUser|> dr_willis:  yes.
[05:25] <dr_willis> Then networking is working. :)  if it cant get to the internet - its most likely a dns, or gateway issue then.
[05:26] <comhack> well here the fix for snd-intel-hda for the low volume  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15899/
[05:26] <dr_willis> Theres a few apt tools out that let one machine 'host' the various updates for other machines on the lan also. but i forget the name.
[05:26] <|NewUser|> dr_willis:  my admin using IP/MAC bind method :S
[05:27] <dr_willis> |NewUser|,  well you just lost me there.
[05:27] <dr_willis> I always set the ip staticily, and set the gateway and dns se4ver to be the ip of my router.
[05:27] <RAOF> dr_willis: You're probably thinking of "apt-zeroconf", which is awesome.
[05:28] <dr_willis> RAOF,  for the apt stuff theres that apt-cache/somthing tool i used on my lan a few months ago.  never used apt-zeroconf..
[05:28] <dr_willis> may have to check it out. :) its amazing the things you discover by reading the apt docs.
[05:29] <dr_willis> apt-cacher - caching proxy system for Debian package and source files  - is what i think ive used befor.
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> apt-mirror is my choice
[05:32] <dr_willis> well so far my nice new install of feisty is doing good. Now to research all the little things that one has to do..
[05:32] <dr_willis> like getting flash going..
[05:32] <RAOF> dr_willis: apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
[05:33] <dr_willis> RAOF,  yep. :) i did a apt-cache search to discover that. heh ..
[05:33] <dr_willis> also saw how totem asked about and isntalled some codecs earlier.. thats a neat feature
[05:34] <derek_> Hi
[05:34] <derek_> I upgraded ubuntu 6.10 to 7.04. Then I got a new entry in System > Administration : Restricted Drivers Manager for ATI accelerated graphics driver. I enabled it. And restarted. It is now showing enabled. But the status is : Not in use. How can I use it?
[05:35] <Naddiseo> restart?
[05:35] <derek_> I did.
[05:35] <derek_> After restarting it shows "enabled" , but status - not in use. I want to use it.
[05:36] <RAOF> derek_: Does 3D stuff work?
[05:36] <Naddiseo> Mm, in your xorg.conf are you using the ati driver (what ever it may be)
[05:36] <derek_> no
[05:37] <derek_> fglrxinfo still shows mesa drivers
[05:37] <Naddiseo> I'm guessing you'll have to change that then.
[05:37] <Naddiseo> Anyone else here (who has more experience than me) want to step in :p
[05:37] <derek_> yes, in xorg.conf I had enabled fglrx but it does not use fglrx, instead uses mesa. I found out through some log that it was a kernal compatibility issue
[05:38] <derek_> but now I have upgraded.
[05:38] <RAOF> Oh, have you disabled Composite?
[05:38] <RAOF> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Composite
[05:40] <derek_> yes
[05:40] <RAOF> derek_: ^^?
[05:40] <derek_> one moment
[05:40] <derek_> sorry, someone came I had to attend in the office
[05:41] <derek_>         Option          "Composite"     "Disable"
[05:41] <derek_>         Option          "Composite"     "0"
[05:41] <derek_> RAOF, yes.
[05:41] <RAOF> derek_: Ok, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log then :)
[05:42] <derek_> one moment
[05:44] <noppe> is it just me or should command not found suggest aptitude instead of apt-get?
[05:44] <derek_> RAOF, http://dpaste.com/8538/  <--- my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:46] <derek_> my laptop has this ATI:  RADEON XPRESS 200M
[05:46] <RAOF> Ah, ok.
[05:47] <RAOF> Now, do you have anything in the DISABLED_MODULES line of /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common ?
[05:47] <derek_> ooo.. that file was replaced during the upgrade
[05:50] <derek_> RAOF, nothing disabled there
[05:50] <RAOF> Bah.
[05:50] <RAOF> That would have been easy to fix :(
[05:50] <`sam`> does anybody know how i can copy files from a razr phone with usb cable?
[05:50] <jkimball4> plug it in?
[05:50] <RAOF> `sam`: Plug it in, and copy them off?
[05:50] <`sam`> it's plugged in
[05:50] <derek_> RAOF, sorry. Can you tell me what I should do now?
[05:51] <derek_> I don't think this file is changed.. I think I myself commented the disabling of fglrx again sometime.
[05:51] <`sam`> cp usually requires a source and a destination... i can provide the destination...
[05:51] <RAOF> derek_: Ok.  Do you have the appropriate linux-restricted-modules package installed?  (just install the "linux-generic" package to be sure)
[05:51] <derek_> RAOF, not sure. How to check?
[05:52] <RAOF> derek_: To check try "aptitude show linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` | grep Version
[05:52] <`sam`> it doesn't detect it as a usb disk if that's what you're thinking
[05:52] <RAOF> Aargh.  not "version", but "installed" :)
[05:52] <derek_> Version: 2.6.20.5-15.20
[05:52] <derek_> ok :)
[05:52] <Naddiseo> `sam`, is the phone turned on?
[05:52] <`sam`> Naddiseo, yes
[05:52] <derek_> State: installed
[05:52] <derek_> Automatically installed: no
[05:53] <orient2000> news magazine for kubuntu first edition http://www.fullcirclemagazine.org
[05:54] <RAOF> derek_: That leaves me somewhat out of suggestions.  It seems the kernel module isn't getting built.  Maybe you should file a bug, against the linux-restricted-modules pacakge
[05:54] <derek_> (and what to do about that file /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common ?)
[05:54] <derek_> RAOF, :(
[05:55] <Naddiseo> `sam`, do a google search for "ubuntu razr phone" (without the quotes) have a look at the first few result, see if that helps
[05:55] <RAOF> derek_: The linux-restricted-modules-common file seems OK.  The only thing to check there is that DISABLED_MODULES does *not* contain "fglrx"
[05:56] <derek_> ok. It is commented.
[05:56] <derek_> Did you find anything in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[05:56] <RAOF> derek_: You mean there is *no* DISABLED_MODULES line?
[05:56] <derek_> RAOF, right. Everything is commented there.
[05:56] <RAOF> derek_: Yeah, the xorg log says that your kernel module isn't built.
[05:57] <derek_> RAOF, mm.. there was a line DISABLED_MODULES="fglrx"  , which I commented.
[05:57] <RAOF> derek_: I think you probably should have DISABLED_MODULES="" in there.  Perhaps l-r-m is being confused.
[05:57] <derek_> which I had commented (before the upgrade)
[05:58] <derek_> Shall I put DISABLED_MODULES="" in the file and restart?
[05:58] <RAOF> Yes.
[05:58] <derek_> ok
[05:58] <RAOF> If that fixes it, you should probably file a bug anyway :)
[05:58] <derek_> ok
[05:59] <derek_> RAOF, ok restarting. brb.
[06:00] <Shaddox> Hello, everyone.
[06:02] <solid_liq>  um, anyone know a livecd for amd64 I can use to get into my JFS on LVM system that I upgraded to 7.04?  it won't boot now...
[06:03] <RAOF> solid_liq: Yup, the Feisty (AMD64) Alternate CD
[06:03] <RAOF> solid_liq: Alternatively, you can try an earlier kernel.
[06:04] <solid_liq> RAOF, earlier kernels don't work
[06:04] <solid_liq> RAOF, it complaines about lots of missing stanzas in /etc
[06:04] <RAOF> Ok, that shoots that one down.  But you still should have an Alternate CD lying around somewhere, 'cause the LiveCD doesn't install on to LVM :)
[06:04] <derek_> Hi
[06:04] <RAOF> solid_liq: Crazy.
[06:04] <derek_> RAOF, no, didn't work
[06:05] <derek_> still status: Not in use. (fglrxinfo still says mesa)
[06:05] <solid_liq> RAOF, it hangs at "Setting up ICE socket directory             [OK] "   any ideas about that?
[06:05] <RAOF> solid_liq: Nope.  I don't even know what service that corresponds to
[06:05] <RAOF> derek_: Eeeergh.  File a bug against linux-restricted-modules, sorry.
[06:06] <solid_liq> RAOF, me either, and I thought I'd done just about everything with Linux by now with all the different distros I've used and abused in the last 7 years
[06:06] <derek_> I don't know what to file. I don't understand what exactly is the problem
[06:07] <RAOF> derek_: Well, the linux-restricted-modules pacakge is failing to build the fglrx kernel module (or, specifically, the fglrx_dri module).  Attach your Xorg.0.log
[06:07] <solid_liq> RAOF, oh, evms and power_mgr kept hanging and not upgrading on the apt-get dist-upgrade.  any ideas about that?
[06:07] <derek_> ok
[06:07] <RAOF> solid_liq: You've got some strange stuff installed.  No ideas about that at all.
[06:08] <melinate> Shaddox:  hello again... want to hear something weird... I reported a bug and now my wireless is working fine :?
[06:08] <melinate> oop... guess I missed him...
[06:08] <kapputu> need help with Perl. I'm not able to install the DBI module.
[06:08] <kapputu> !paste
[06:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:09] <solid_liq> RAOF, k, thanks
[06:09] <solid_liq> RAOF, the alternate cd gives me a live env. that I can use to chroot into my system with, right?
[06:09] <derek_> RAOF, here's my /etc/X11/xorg.conf: http://dpaste.com/8539/
[06:10] <kapputu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15900/
[06:11] <RAOF> solid_liq: Yup.  In fact, if you select "repair an existing installation" from the grub menu, it'll automatically ask you which partition/LV you want to chroot into.
[06:11] <solid_liq> RAOF, oh sweet, thanks!
[06:11] <kapputu> have some problems installing cpan modules in feisty. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15900/
[06:11] <solid_liq> RAOF, now I just hope I can d/l it into a ram disk and burn it (I'm in knoppix right now...  a version which doesn't support LVM)
[06:12] <RAOF> derek_: That xorg.conf is messed up.
[06:13] <derek_> RAOF, hm. Help me then :)
[06:14] <RAOF> derek_: Why don't you try: (1) disabling the ATI driver in the Restricted Manager. (2) Rebuild your xorg.conf (using "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg"). (3) Restart (4) Re-enable the ATI driver in Restricted manager (5) Restart :)
[06:16] <derek_> on disabling the ATI in restricted driver manager, it is *removing* it
[06:16] <misfit-toy> I found out today that I didn't have the restricted-packages installed for the new kernel, and that fixed everything.
[06:16] <RAOF> derek_: That's ok.  Let it.
[06:16] <RAOF> derek_: I'm off for lunch now.
[06:16] <noisymouse> Is the nVidia Geforce4 MX card a "legacy" card?
[06:16] <misfit-toy> I had restricted-386 but not restricted-generic
[06:17] <RAOF> noisymouse: No, it's supported by nvidia-glx (but not nvidia-glx-new)
[06:17] <derek_> RAOF, ok, will you be back?
[06:17] <RAOF> Yeah, later.
[06:17] <misfit-toy> noisymouse, you should be able to use nvidia-glx for that
[06:17] <noisymouse> RAOF: ok, thanks.
[06:17] <derek_> how much time RAOF ?
[06:17] <derek_> I may need help during rebuilding xserver-xorg
[06:17] <misfit-toy> lol, derek_ quit being a pest! he wants lunch
[06:18] <hazza> Why is Easy Ubuntu obsolete as of Fiesty? Does Fiesty include stuff such as DVD playback?
[06:18] <derek_> misfit-toy, sorry :)
[06:19] <derek_> bbl
[06:20] <misfit-toy> feisty is humming along here at only 4% cpu with the following open on an old P4 laptop: terminal, evolution, firefox, nautilus, xchat, gaim, straw, and a few panel additions like ontv, weather, etc....
[06:26] <VR_> misfit-toy, whats straw?
[06:30] <noisymouse> hazza: now when you try to play a file that requires a particular codec you are prompted to install that codec. However, the package that lets you disable encryption on DVDs (and play them back) is not included in the repositories.
[06:32] <crimsun> noisymouse: can't legally include such a package without some pending licensing (?)
[06:33] <Tm_T> noisymouse: hmmhmm
[06:33] <noisymouse> crimsun: I'm not sure - it's one of those things where it's illegal in countries that recognize software patents.
[06:33] <Tm_T> !libdvdcss
[06:33] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:33] <Tm_T> yup, you need seveaspackages
[06:34] <crimsun> noisymouse: guess where the primary mirror resides?
[06:34] <noisymouse> crimsum: where?
[06:34] <crimsun> in such a country.
[06:35] <noisymouse> Ironic.
[06:35] <DM|> hey guys !, im upgrading to feisty, anyone have a list of the repos i need?
[06:35] <noisymouse> Why wasn't the libdvdcss package included in the repos when similar packages have been?
[06:36] <DM|> noisymouse legal issues more than likely
[06:38] <Hobbsee> !repos | DM|
[06:38] <ubotu> DM|: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[06:38] <binskipy2u> hey guys how's fiesty working for ya as compared to 6.10?
[06:39] <DM|> !easysource
[06:39] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:40] <noisymouse> DM|: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[06:42] <noisymouse> binskipy2u: Feisty's a lot better for me than 6.10 because I'm planning to set up a media center and the Feisty kernel has a lot more support for cable tuner cards out of the box than the Edgy kernel.
[06:43] <binskipy2u> nice
[06:43] <binskipy2u> i cant wait to check it out
[06:43] <binskipy2u> when it finally comes out
[06:43] <binskipy2u> or that "ubuntu ultimate" dude makes a 1.4 ultimate version w/fiesty
[06:43] <DM|> noisymouse that ones wonderful, thank you
[06:45] <budluva_> how can i tell if i have full 3d accelleration in feisty?
[06:46] <rajlinux> Hi, I have a compaq V6211AU laptop with AMD 64 bit dual core processors.. Is feisty good for this? the currney edgy 6.10 is not installing in it?
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> rajlinux, did you try the alternate install cd?
[06:47] <pollyo> Is there a way tto make a package list of programs that I have installed on my machine?  I want to setup ubuntu on another machine with the programs I have installed on this one and do not want to have to go through the list of packages if there is an easier way.
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> pollyo, hang on ... its a dpkg command
[06:48] <noisymouse> budluva: Do you know what graphics card you have?
[06:48] <pollyo> nomasteryoda: Thank you.
[06:49] <rajlinux> nomasteryoda: not yet, what is the difference in the alternate CD?
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> pollyo, try this link http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-get-list-installed-software-reinstallation-restore.html
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> !alternatecd
[06:49] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[06:49] <pollyo> nomasteryoda: Thanks for the link!
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> np
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> thank google
[06:51] <rajlinux> nomasteryoda: Is there a way to get a list of supported hardware in Ubuntu Edgy eft 6.10?
[06:51] <seamus7> does it still hold that a complete file check should be run before resizing a partition prior to installing feisty?
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> its a good idea
[06:52] <budluva_> noisymouse: ya i have an nvidia fx 5500
[06:52] <noisymouse> budluba: Did you set up the nvidia drivers?
[06:52] <seamus7> what's the general rule for partitions and resizing? when can you and can't you?
[06:53] <budluva_> yeah
[06:53] <budluva_> well glxinfo shows that im using the nvidia driver, but glxgears seems slow
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> seamus7, in reference to the file check?
[06:53] <budluva_> edgy glxgears ran smooth and flawless, i got like 2000fps in edgy
[06:54] <budluva_> so i think something isnt setup
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> budluva_, see what is using resources.... try "top"
[06:54] <seamus7> nomasteryoda: in reference to resizing a partition to make room for a new one so that I can install feisty
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> ah
[06:54] <noisymouse> budluva_: I believe you can check System-->Administration-->Preferences-->Desktop Effects and see if things are set up right there.
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> well, obviously booting into live cd... then running gparted or similar... just resize to say about 6gb if you only need the most common set of packages and some extras.. ... make 10gb or more available if you like to install lots of extas... i have 15gb for my root partition in Feisty.. .it was just 6gb for my edgy
[06:56] <budluva_> ya something is not working right, desktop effects is slow
[06:56] <budluva_> edgy i had beryl working awesome
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> but i also use my vmware machines from inside the root... say from /var
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> budluva_, did you start with a new user or clean /home?
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> some old settings can hose a new install
[06:58] <budluva_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15908/
[06:58] <budluva_> theres my top output
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:58] <budluva_> nomasteryoda: yes i believe i did
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:58] <budluva_> what is gij?
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> ah, so you are running compiz
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> not sure
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> try "which gij"
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> to see where that is installed
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> also "apropos gij" for more info
[06:59] <budluva_> gij - GNU interpreter for Java bytecode
[06:59] <budluva_> its probably installed with azureus
[06:59] <budluva_> bah
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> ah
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> so java is sucking it down
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> i've had that crap before
[07:03] <budluva_> well
[07:03] <budluva_> do i have to enable direct rendering or something?
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> i believe that is necessary
[07:06] <billy> !qemu
[07:06] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[07:06] <billy> I'll get my ACID Pro yet.
[07:07] <derek_> Hi
[07:08] <billy> !hi | der0b
[07:08] <ubotu> der0b: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[07:08] <billy> oops
[07:08] <derek_> RAOF, thanks a million!!!!! It worked!!! :)))))))
[07:08] <derek_> THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!! :)))
[07:08] <derek_> RAOF, so it was the xorg.conf that was the problem.
[07:09] <derek_> On running desktop-effects, I get "The Composite extension is not available"
[07:10] <derek_> and in the console it says: nvidia hardware not available
[07:10] <derek_> but I have ATI
[07:12] <pavs_> exit
[07:13] <shirish> guys, I want to file a bug about the metacity-viewer on gnome bugzilla (upstream) does have any idea what it would come under?
[07:16] <pavs_> E: dovecot-common: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 89
[07:16] <pavs_> whats the problem here?
[07:16] <budluva_> does feisty come with the nvidia.com 9755 driver?
[07:16] <clouder`grr> How do I make the my dekstop icons text black instead of white?
[07:18] <VR_> clouder`grr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89197
[07:19] <billy> Could someone check to see if they have a /usr/src/linux directory?
[07:19] <crimsun> billy: use /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[07:19] <derek_> Someone help me
[07:19] <crimsun> linux-headers-$(uname -r) should be installed by default anyhow
[07:20] <derek_> On running desktop-effects, I get "The Composite extension is not available" , and in the console it says: nvidia hardware not available. (I have ATI graphics hardware, not nvidia)
[07:20] <billy> crimsun, I'm attempting to follow this howto.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[07:20] <shirish> crimsun: what is the top bar known as (for e.g. at the top in GAIM window it says #ubuntu+1)
[07:20] <billy> crimsun, and I don't really follow how to follow through with your advice. sorry.
[07:21] <shirish> billy: one has to download the linux-source files I believe
[07:21] <shirish> billy: by default they are not included in the installation
[07:22] <billy> shirish, I'm attempting to follow a howto, but the directory they're telling me to navigate to doesn't even exist.  I can create it easily enough, but something tells me I won't get the results I'm looking for.
[07:23] <clouder`grr> VR_: thanks
[07:23] <crimsun> shirish: the title bar of the window?
[07:23] <shirish> billy: have u done the sudo apt-get linux-source-version number thing. Once that is done. then I believe you have to unzip it & make the directory it seems
[07:24] <shirish> crimsun: yup, was just confirming, sometimes things are called different in linux
[07:25] <billy> shirish, yeah. linux-source was one of the packages.  not linux-source-"number".  would you look at this howto and tell me if I need some prerequisites that aren't listed?  If not, don't worry about it.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[07:26] <shirish> billy: I do not have any idea about Qemu as I do not think my comp. is powerful enough to handle it. But I did install linux-source package
[07:27] <billy> shirish, thanks.
[07:27] <shirish> billy: do this  sudo aptitude install linux-source-2.6.20
[07:28] <billy> shirish, it's already in /usr/src.
[07:28] <billy> shirish, i'm just wondering why i don't have the folder the howto is directing me to.
[07:28] <billy> shirish, .... and if compiling within the /usr/src folder will create errors.
[07:29] <shirish> ok im working on something atm, give me 5 minutes then will look into it
[07:29] <Xteven> gug, does anyone have a broken dpkg-deb ?
[07:29] <billy> shirish, ok.  thanks.  blessings upon your head.  :)
[07:29] <protocol1> one of my repositories stopped working today....  anyone else have this problem?
[07:30] <protocol1> its the universe one
[07:31] <zPacKRat> protocol1: I had that issue last night.
[07:31] <zPacKRat> I commented out my repos, the did an apt-get update then reenabled them
[07:31] <protocol1> hmm
[07:31] <zPacKRat> but now I have 42 rather than the original 37
[07:32] <Xteven> or shall I rephrase
[07:32] <protocol1> I will try that
[07:32] <Xteven> I installed a plain feisty from cd, and /usr/bin/dpkg-deb is fried
[07:32] <Xteven> file /usr/bin/dpkg-deb says: data
[07:32] <Xteven> and I can't execute it
[07:32] <Xteven> which mean the entire package system is broken
[07:33] <Frogzoo> so I liked edgy, it was nice & stable and worked, will I like feisty?
[07:34] <zPacKRat> I like feisty alot as of now
[07:34] <zPacKRat> only problem left to solve is getting the serial port working on my laptop
[07:35] <shirish> billy: reading up on it, do not know much about this stuff, hope u understand that
[07:35] <Frogzoo> zPacKRat: hmm, serial ports are kind of a standard..
[07:35] <billy> shirish, any and all insight will be welcome.  :)
[07:35] <protocol1> zPacKRat, did what you did and alls back to normal
[07:35] <zPacKRat> yeh, I googled it and it's lightly documented
[07:36] <zPacKRat> that's great
[07:36] <Frogzoo> is this particular to feisty, or just a generic serial problem?
[07:36] <protocol1> yeah nice
[07:36] <hohoh> ohh noes first day of work tomorrow
[07:36] <hohoh> heh
[07:36] <zPacKRat> 6.06, no mention of 7.4
[07:36] <shirish> billy: did u try the windows binaries of Qemu or see if they work?
[07:37] <zPacKRat> and it's stated that it's a hw issue, however in 5.10 it worked
[07:37] <shirish> billy: http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/
[07:40] <billy> shirish, no.  haven't checked them.  i hate to sound like a prude, but, honestly, if I cannot use the "official" howto, then I've already somewhat not interested.
[07:41] <shirish> billy: right, it seems like a bug, for in /usr/src/ the linux-source is dumped as a .tar.bz2 instead of the whole folder, there are of course header directories but that is something else
[07:42] <billy> shirish, hmm.... a bug, eh?  well, perhaps I'll try again in a few weeks, to see if it's been ironed out.
[07:42] <shirish> sure
[07:42] <billy> shirish, thanks for your help though.
[07:42] <shirish> welcome
[07:42] <billy> !dvdshrink
[07:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdshrink - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <valehru> Hey guys, skype 32 on feisty 64 looks terrible, is there anyway I can change its fonts?
[07:44] <kapputu> how do I install qt?
[07:53] <cjsoftuk> One last gripe about Feisty before RC
[07:53] <cjsoftuk> *Release
[07:53] <cjsoftuk> Could I please see SSH fixed so it doesn't take 5 minutes to prompt for password
[07:54] <cjsoftuk> Pointer to a fix: http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/04/fix-for-ssh-slow-to-ask-for-password-in.html
[07:56] <pwuertz_> when I open a xterm as root for a user... running a specific command... is the user able to break out from this command?
[07:57] <pwuertz_> like... a mount command
[07:57] <cjsoftuk> pwuertz_: depends what the command is
[07:58] <cjsoftuk> pwuertz_: If the command is "xterm -c '<mount cmd>'"
[07:58] <pwuertz_> a mount command, prompting for a password
[07:58] <pwuertz_> so the xterm opens... user enters password for the mount command... xterm vanishes...
[07:58] <jdrake> Is there not a way to make it usable from the user's own permissions?
[07:59] <cjsoftuk> I think you need "user" in the fsta file
[07:59] <cjsoftuk> fstab
[07:59] <pwuertz_> obviously... I cant use gnome-terminal, since a user could just open more root shells from there ^^
[08:00] <pwuertz_> its a login window for truecrypt... you run "truecrypt dev mountpoint"... so you dont use the fstab
[08:01] <pwuertz_> I would like to use an xterm in gdm, so before the user logs in, the password prompt appears
[08:02] <pwuertz_> I could also write some wrapper around the truecrypt process... but I thought xterm would do it
[08:02] <cjsoftuk> pwuertz_: Now you've lost me
[08:02] <pwuertz_> I dont know xterm very well, so I dont know if one is able to hit some keys to get a fresh new root console
[08:08] <remiss> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15917/ this dependency things is driving me nuts
[08:09] <mass> is there anything published about how to get kvm working? apt-get install gives me a kvm-api-9 unavailable msg
[08:10] <pwuertz_> kvm-api-9 is provided by the kernel installed
[08:10] <mass> ahh, so I have a generic kernel where I need a specific one?
[08:10] <pwuertz_> it has been said there will be a kernel update providing the new api
[08:11] <noisymouse> remiss: Try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[08:11] <remiss> noisymouse: smae problem... I've tried doing one at a time too
[08:11] <archigos> Heyas - I'm running feisty and my sound has stopped working - any idea where I should start to look to figure out what the problem is?
[08:11] <remiss> and forcing them
[08:11] <mass> so there isn't a prepackaged option until then?
[08:12] <pwuertz_> no.. I think kvm is "too new"... it relies on another kvm kernel api... so we have to wait until the new api makes it into the repository
[08:12] <noisymouse> !qemu
[08:12] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[08:12] <noisymouse> mass: check out that link.
[08:12] <remiss> is it any way of telling it that e.g. volumeid is configured and reinstall it when the others are fixed?
[08:12] <shirish> guys is there a way to make my time applet use shorter naming format?
[08:12] <noisymouse> mass: actually nevermind--that's something else, but it might be what you want.
[08:13] <shirish> right now the time applet reads like Mon April 16, 11:51 I want to read it as 16/04/07 11:51 possible?
[08:13] <pwuertz_> mass: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106028
[08:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 106028 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Kvm not installable in feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[08:14] <noisymouse> remiss: you've tried removing and reinstalling those packages?
[08:15] <remiss> noisymouse: no, but I think I'm on top of it now.. removed some things from .postinst
[08:15] <LGKeiz> Alright.
[08:15] <noisymouse> remiss: actually you probably wouldn't want to remove those since they're pretty important packages.
[08:16] <LGKeiz> I have a wireless adapter and I was wondering How I would install the drivers WITHOUT internet being on the machine, and I need it the correct way because.. I wouldnt have internet access, can anyone please help me :) oh and hello everyone.
[08:16] <remiss> noisymouse: yeah.. at least udev
[08:17] <LGKeiz> and yes I am gonna use feisty ;p
[08:17] <pwuertz_> so... tell us which wireless adapter yyou are talking aout
[08:17] <noisymouse> LGKeiz: Do you know if the drivers are provided by a package in the repositories?
[08:17] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: nasty
[08:18] <LGKeiz> noisy, I don't believe so, and I can't find out If I can't connect to the internet while running ubuntu ;)
[08:18] <pwuertz_> Hobbsee: using xterm?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: the kvm bug
[08:19] <remiss> nobodyLV: hmz, purge & force on initramfs-tools seem sto have solved it
[08:19] <pwuertz_> Hobbsee: I actually dont know whats the problem.... don't you just compile the right kvm source against the right kernel source?
[08:19] <billy> I was using k9copy when I got an error message quickly followed by a message saying that 100% of / partition is used.  I think k9copy placed the temp CD image in / somewhere.  Anyone have any clue where it might be?
[08:19] <noisymouse> LGKeiz: You'd have to figure out the chipset and then find a project that supplies kernel modules for that chipset. You would then probably have to build the modules from source.
[08:19] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: no idea.  i'm just looking at that bug report, and the bitching on it's making me less inclined to figure out hwo to fix it, and do so.
[08:20] <billy> there's just no way that / needs more than 7 GiB.
[08:20] <LGKeiz> noisymouse, It's a adapter, which I manually put into the computer.
[08:20] <LGKeiz> Wouldn't it work If I installed the drivers?
[08:20] <LGKeiz> o.o;
[08:21] <remiss> noisymouse: thanks
[08:21] <noisymouse> LGKeiz: what's the name of the adapter?
[08:21] <richguit> billy: /tmp ?
[08:21] <RAOF> billy: It depends on what's actually *on* /
[08:21] <pwuertz_> Hobbsee: is feisty going to be released in 3 days ^^ ?
[08:21] <RAOF> billy: Yeah, because /tmp is going to be on root, unless you've mounted it separately, and big, temporary DVD files will want to go there.
[08:21] <budluva> i think its delayed pwuertz_
[08:21] <LGKeiz> noisymouse' sec
[08:21] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: supposedly
[08:22] <Hobbsee> budluva: you dont know that, it's not officially announced
[08:22] <billy> What whack job.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> budluva: so please stop spreading misinformation
[08:22] <pwuertz_> Hobbsee: I still dont get the whole idea... if kvm has been compiled against the wrong kernel source... then its a kvm package bug, isnt it?
[08:22] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: i'm not sure.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: the kernel may be naming the deps wrong
[08:23] <Hobbsee> hopefully it's a bug in the kvm, though
[08:23] <pwuertz_> I mean... someone actually 'built' the kvm package successfully
[08:23] <Hobbsee> yes, but built doesnt mean installable
[08:24] <LGKeiz[Timeout] > err
[08:24] <LGKeiz[Timeout] > http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1153780941765&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=4176539789B39
[08:24] <LGKeiz[Timeout] > thats the router noisymouse
[08:24] <LGKeiz[Timeout] > err
[08:24] <LGKeiz[Timeout] > adapater
[08:24] <LGKeiz[Timeout] > adapter *
[08:24] <LGKeiz[Timeout] > I mean
[08:25] <billy> RAOF, how can I clear the contents of /tmp/kde/k9copy/dvd/video-ts without also destroying the directory.  rm *
[08:25] <billy> ?
[08:26] <RAOF> billy: Yes.  Although destroying the directory would almost certainly not break anything.
[08:26] <RAOF> Nothing on /tmp should be critical (since it gets cleared every day, AFAIK)
[08:26] <LGKeiz> noisymouse, lol
[08:26] <paul928> I have a Hp 1020 printer  connected to a feisty box by usb. It was printing as of April 10. Now it won;t print. I'm wondering if something in the recent upgrades.......?
[08:26] <LGKeiz> noisymouse; you there?
[08:26] <noisymouse> LGKeiz: You could try ndiswrapper - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[08:27] <billy> RAOF, OK.  cool.  I'll have to see if k9copy can put the temp files somewhere else besides / .
[08:27] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you do run into problems if you remove /tmp though
[08:28] <billy> cool.  killing tmp/k9copy returned usage back to 49%.
[08:28] <LGKeiz> noisymouse; no internet access tho :p
[08:28] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Until you reboot, generally though?  I know a variety of pipes/signals/PIDs get put in there.
[08:29] <Hobbsee> RAOF: not sure
[08:29] <noisymouse> LGKeiz: You'll have to download the packages beforehand and put them on a CD, flash drive, etc.
[08:30] <richguit> billy: normaly edit your program preferences
[08:30] <noisymouse> LGKeiz: You can download them from http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/ndiswrapper-common and http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[08:30] <billy> richguit, yeah, thanks.  I'm going to just create a ~/temp directory, I guess.
[08:31] <LGKeiz> thanks..
[08:33] <richguit> billy: yes, just something in your home
[08:34] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: y'know, it's already been fixed.
[08:34] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: a couple of days ago
[08:34] <Hobbsee> it just hastn hit the archives yet
[08:34] <Hobbsee> (feisty changes would have told you that)
[08:34] <billy> richguit, right-O. ;)
[08:35] <satempler> what is with gstreamer and id3v2 tags
[08:35] <RAOF> sacater: I don't know.  What *is* with gstreamer and id3v2 tags?
[08:35] <satempler> I rip my cd and it shows up fine in nautilus in properties
[08:36] <vega-> sigh, still a lot of software raid related bugs in feisty
[08:36] <satempler> but on my player it says it's unknown
[08:36] <satempler> RAOF: still no id3v2 support
[08:37] <satempler> RAOF: it was missing in Edgy as well
[08:37] <pwuertz_> the ov511-source package is broken.. I managed to compile it by changing the includes... but somebody might want to fix or remove the package
[08:37] <pwuertz_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ov511/+bug/106934
[08:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 106934 in ov511 "compiling the ov511 driver fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:37] <RAOF> satempler: I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
[08:37] <Shaddox> Hello everyone.
[08:37] <Shaddox> How do I mount MDF/MDS disk images in Ubuntu?
[08:37] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: oh that... please provide a patch to fix it, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors on launchpad
[08:38] <satempler> RAOF I did this on 2 seprate systems using Sound Juicer with the id3v2mux thingy in the profile
[08:38] <satempler> also tried Banshee
[08:38] <satempler> goobox will do it but it's gstreamer0.8
[08:38] <RAOF> satempler: Maybe your player doesn't have id3demux in it's gstreamer pipeline?
[08:38] <satempler> RAOF nope it does
[08:39] <RAOF> Ok, so the actual bug is *Sound Juicer* doesn't add ID3v2 tags?
[08:39] <Shaddox> How do I mount a MDF/MDS disk image in ubuntu?
[08:39] <RAOF> satempler: Also, why not just import with Banshee, if you use it?
[08:39] <satempler> RAOF: no any gstreamer app that uses 0.10
[08:39] <pwuertz_> Hobbsee: how can I do that? the package just includes a tar ball in /usr/src....
[08:39] <satempler> ya
[08:40] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation - the stuff on patching
[08:41] <satempler> RAOF: I love banshee but still the same problem
[08:41] <pwuertz_> Hobbsee: no.. I meant "how to patch a binary file" ? ov511-source is just a tar.gz...
[08:42] <satempler> RAOF: I would use BMPx but can't maximize it
[08:42] <pwuertz_> I would have to patch the source... repack the tar.gz... and send in the archive.. but this isnt a patch then
[08:42] <Shaddox> Uh, does someone know how to mount a MDF/MDS image file?
[08:42] <RAOF> satempler: Where's the bug report?
[08:43] <satempler> RAOF: none yet
[08:43] <satempler> RAOF: i guess
[08:43] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: stick a patch into debian patches, make sure it's called after unpacking the source.  or modify the tarball, i guess. not sure
[08:43] <RAOF> But it's been a problem since *Edgy*?  Why would you expect an unreported problem to be fixed?
[08:43] <satempler> RAOF: it's a gstreamer issue, and I thought the gstreamer guys would know about it
[08:44] <pwuertz_> Hobbsee: ok... now I see... ov511-source is a binary package... and I need to patch the source package of ov511-source..... weiiird, but ok
[08:44] <RAOF> satempler: Not unless someone's told them :)
[08:44] <satempler> RAOF: and I am not even sure I am right
[08:45] <satempler> so
[08:45] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: ahh, so it's binary only?  then we cant fix it, iirc.
[08:46] <pwuertz_> Hobbsee: no... its different... the "ov511-source" package does not contain the source, but the packed source
[08:46] <RAOF> satempler: Well, you should file a bug anyway.  Worst case is that it gets ignored.  More likely is that the dev tells you why it's working.  Alternatively, it *is* a bug, and it gets fixed.
[08:46] <pwuertz_> Hobbsee: so I need to send in the patch for the source-package of "ov511-source"
[08:47] <Hobbsee> pwuertz_: ask RAOF.  i'm heading out, and my head is hurting
[08:47] <RAOF> satempler: Also, my testing just now suggests that id3demux reads ID3v2 tags just fine.
[08:47] <satempler> RAOF: ok
[08:47] <satempler> hmm
[08:48] <DarkMageZ> satempler, maybe something is odd with your id3v2 tag which is upsetting gstreamer.
[08:48] <satempler> DarkMageZ: not sure what
[08:49] <satempler> the Sansa is very picky i guess
[08:51] <RAOF> sacater: Aaah, a hardware player?
[08:51] <RAOF> sacater: id3v2mux *only* writes 2.4.0 tags, so your player might not pick them up right.
[08:53] <RAOF> sacater: Also, "gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=foo.wv ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! lame ! id3v2mux ! filesink location=bar.mp3" correctly takes apev2 tags to id3v2 tags
[08:58] <RAOF> sacater: In short, maybe you want to file a bug that the ID3v2 tags written by id3v2mux aren't supported on the Sansa.
[08:59] <Shaddox> Hello everyone. How do I mount a MDF/MDS file as a disk drive?
[09:00] <satempler> hmm
[09:01] <RAOF> Shaddox: Install mdf2iso, convert them to iso files, then mount them with the loopback device.
[09:02] <Shaddox> RAOF: Uh, can you explain that in detail? I'm an idiot when it comes to Unix/Linux/MacOS
[09:02] <RAOF> Shaddox: Right, well, you want to install the mdf2iso pacakge.  Know how to do that?
[09:03] <Shaddox> < sudo apt-get install mdf2iso > right?
[09:03] <RAOF> Pretty much, yes.
[09:03] <Shaddox> without the < and >
[09:03] <RAOF> Then, you want to use that program (I don't know how, I've never used it - check the man page for details [man mdf2iso] )
[09:05] <RAOF> Once you've got your iso file, you want to mount the iso using a loop device.
[09:05] <Shaddox> Okay, one second.
[09:05] <Shaddox> I've installed mdf2iso, let me get the image file in my home folder so I have the name, ^^
[09:05] <RAOF> To do that: "sudo mount /path/to/file.iso /mount/path -t iso9660 -o loop"
[09:06] <Shaddox> okay
[09:06] <Shaddox> so i can mount it as.../mohpa or /mountedcd or whatever?
[09:06] <Shaddox> Erm..., mdf2iso says that MOHPA.mdf is already ISO9660.
[09:07] <RAOF> Yeah.  You probably want to do that under /media/mountedcd or something.
[09:07] <RAOF> Shaddox: Awesome, then you should be able to just feed that file to the mount command.
[09:07] <Shaddox> Oh, as a MDF file though?
[09:08] <RAOF> Well, mdf2iso says that it's *already* an iso file, it's just called an mdf file.
[09:08] <dfgas_> do i really need to create a keyring?
[09:08] <dfgas_> and if so, is it going to ask for a password when i try to connect to my wireless?
[09:09] <RAOF> dfgas_: No to the first, and yes to the second.
[09:09] <dfgas_> what happens if i don't create it, will it save my password for my wireless yet?
[09:09] <Shaddox> RAOF: it says mount: mount point /media/mohpa does not exist
[09:09] <RAOF> Shaddox: Well, create the mount point :)
[09:09] <Shaddox> Erm, how again?
[09:10] <RAOF> Shaddox: "sudo mkdir /media/mohpa"
[09:10] <RAOF> dfgas_: No, it won't save the password for your wireless in your keyring unless you have a keyring :)
[09:10] <dfgas_> RAOF: but when i reboot will my wireless ask me for password again?
[09:10] <RAOF> Presumably.
[09:10] <dfgas_> with no keyring created
[09:11] <dfgas_> damn
[09:11] <dfgas_> i hate the keyring, lol
[09:11] <RAOF> !info libpam-keyring feisty
[09:11] <ubotu> libpam-keyring: PAM module that unlock gnome keyring. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.8-5 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 128 kB
[09:11] <Shaddox> RAOF: You rock. XD
[09:11] <dfgas_> hmmm
[09:11] <RAOF> dfgas_: Install that.  And set it up as per /usr/share/doc/libpam-keyring/README.Debian
[09:12] <dfgas_> RAOF: i think i seen a how to on it somewhere
[09:12] <RAOF> dfgas_: Don't follow the howto, follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/libpam-keyring/README.Debian :)
[09:12] <Shaddox> RAOF: Now how do I kill a WINE process that's locked up? From that CD. xD
[09:12] <dfgas_> RAOF: k
[09:13] <RAOF> Shaddox: killall <processname> generally works, or you can fire up the gnome-system-monitor and kill it from there
[09:14] <Shaddox> Er, yeah. I found it in the monitor.
[09:14] <Shaddox> It resembles the windows task manager, which I'm used to seeing on this ol' laptop, till I ditched windows 3 days ago. XD
[09:15] <dfgas_> last question, i did ndiswrapper -m, now will that command actually work, or should i add the module to a config file somewhere/ what file?
[09:15] <RAOF> dfgas_: Absolutely no idea.  I've never had to use ndiswrapper.
[09:16] <Shaddox> Whoo, my Medal of Honor is finally installing. ^^
[09:16] <dfgas_> well the r818x driver in the kernel doesn't work with wpa but ndiswrapper and my drivers does
[09:20] <dfgas_> anyone use a nvidia geforece go 6100?
[09:20] <leagris> hi
[09:23] <yag4mi> Hi, i am having problems using usb-devices on feisty- i think its the same with edgy. i can view copy and read files. the disk freezes up.
[09:23] <yag4mi> could it be hardware related?
[09:24] <Ronald> hi!... having some rather peculiar issue where my gnome-panels don't seem to load up into view. Sometimes neither the top nor bottom loads, today just the top one loaded.... throwing a kill on gnome-panel causing reload normally makes everything show up....
[09:24] <RAOF> yag4mi: What is the actual problem?  "The disc freezes up".  When?
[09:24] <leagris> I have a problem with restricted video driver for nvidia. After each reboot I must do a dpkg-reconfigure of linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` otherwise the nvidia module is not found
[09:25] <yag4mi> RAOF, after i mount it and type ls [tab]  it takes longer than usual to read- i've noticed the problem with almost all types of usb disks.
[09:25] <Ronald> yag4mi: check dmesg?
[09:25] <dm> help ! lol, upgraded to feisty and X refuses to start,
[09:26] <Ronald> dm: glad you like it ;)
[09:26] <dm> hehe
[09:26] <yag4mi> yeah, nothing out of the ordinary. and another thing- i am unable to use external usb HDDs either. especially HDD players.
[09:26] <yag4mi> has anyone come across similar problems?
[09:26] <leagris> dm, check the error message in /var/log/xorg less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:26] <dm> Ronald any ideas?
[09:26] <Tm_T> dm: "grep EE /var/log/xorg.0.log" or so in console
[09:26] <Ronald> dm: /var/log/xorg.0.log
[09:26] <Tm_T> dm: and pastebin result
[09:27] <Ronald> yag4mi: not me.... especially if the kernel doesn't tell you about issues its a shot in the dark...
[09:27] <RAOF> leagris: It sounds like either you've removed linux-restricted-modules from your startup services, or you've got DISABLED_MODULES="nv" in your /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file
[09:27] <dm> TM_T no such file or dir
[09:27] <dm> Tm_T how can i pastebin if i cant even start X? lo
[09:27] <Tm_T> dm: hmm, from livecd? ;)
[09:28] <leagris> RADF yes inteed, I had DISABLED_MODULES="nv"
[09:28] <Tm_T> dm: anyway, search that xorg log ;)
[09:28] <yag4mi> Ronald, yeah, i am guessing its cause of standards non-compliant hardware- am talking about these really cheapskate HDDs I was able to borrow from a friend. but it works just fine on wind0ze
[09:28] <RAOF> leagris: This is why we don't install the nvidia.com drivers :P
[09:28] <dm> Tm_T no such file or DIR
[09:28] <Tm_T> er
[09:28] <Ronald> dm: check for /var/log/Xorg*
[09:28] <RAOF> leagris: It is *particularly* why we don't use ENVY :)
[09:28] <Tm_T> dm: no /var ?
[09:29] <dm> aye got it
[09:29] <Tm_T> dm: so what is not found then?
[09:29] <dm> (EE) xf860OpenSerial Cannot open device /dev/input/wacom, three times
[09:29] <leagris> RADF yes, I removed ENVY but it appear it messed enough it couldn't remove safely :)
[09:29] <Tm_T> dm: ok, ignore those, what else?
[09:30] <dm> tm_t (II Loading extension MIT-SCREEN_Saver, thats it
[09:30] <Ronald> I just use the nvidia driver from uuh... its probably in multiverse :P
[09:30] <Tm_T> dm: hmm, so no real errors, hmm hmm
[09:30] <dm> leagris envy doesnt work with feisty i thought
[09:30] <Ronald> dm: how many Xorg* files are in the logdir ?
[09:30] <dm> Tm_T aye, really strang
[09:31] <RAOF> Ronald: Actually, it's in Restricted.
[09:31] <Ronald> RAOF: right
[09:31] <leagris> RAOF, thanks, I will see it work at next reboot
[09:31] <[miles] > mornign guys
[09:31] <Ronald> RAOF: works though, so no need to use ENVY
[09:31] <[miles] > erm, morning even
[09:31] <Tm_T> dm: so, any other xorg log files there?
[09:31] <[miles] > monday morning, and fat fingers, bad combination
[09:31] <Tm_T> dm: also, how your X doesn't start?
[09:31] <dm> Tm_T oh wait 2 othere logs, (EE) Failed loading module "nvidia" module does not exist, 0)
[09:32] <Tm_T> dm: haha, there you go
[09:32] <dm> Tm_T (EE No drivers available
[09:32] <Ronald> do you have restricted-modules installed?
[09:32] <leagris> dm just try launching X
[09:32] <Tm_T> dm: so you lost your nvidia driver
[09:32] <dm> Tm_T but i switched it to nv and it doesnt work
[09:32] <leagris> dm ctrl BACKSPACE to end it if it start
[09:32] <[miles] > I filed a kernel bug yesterday... whats the chances of it getting in to the final release? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106843
[09:32] <dm> TM_T aye, but default doesnt work either, for some reason
[09:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 106843 in linux-source-2.6.20 "No sound - ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Azalia (Fixable!)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:32] <dm> leagris doesnt work
[09:32] <Tm_T> dm: how it doesn't work?
[09:32] <dm> leagris just goes bacfk to command
[09:33] <dm> tm_T does the same thing, just crashes X back to the command prompt
[09:33] <Tm_T> dm: "startx" returns...
[09:33] <dm> alot of stuff , most of it is above the part i can read
[09:34] <Tm_T> dm: shift+pgup/pgdown
[09:34] <dm> Could not init font path element <path to font> stuff
[09:34] <Tm_T> dm: ok, Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[09:34] <dm> ubuntu
[09:34] <dm> but has kde installed
[09:34] <dm> i removed KDM temporarily
[09:34] <dm> just to make sure
[09:34] <Tm_T> dm: reinstall ubuntu-desktop backage for starters
[09:34] <Tm_T> dm: and maybe gdm too
[09:35] <dm> lots of new packages.. wth
[09:35] <Tm_T> I knew it :-P
[09:35] <dm> i did that, still crashed
[09:36] <Tm_T> interesting
[09:36] <Tm_T> dm: next thing to do, move xorg.conf and regenerate it
[09:36] <Tm_T> (that means, always do backup)
[09:36] <dm> how do i regenerate?
[09:36] <leagris> dm something like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg avter backuping xorg.conf
[09:37] <RAOF> dm: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg
[09:38] <dm> did all that X still wont start
[09:38] <dm> do i need to reboot?
[09:39] <RAOF> [miles] : The report you've filed uses non-standard ALSA pacakges (and mismatched versions of ALSA, too).  I'm not sure if this matters, but it's probably a better idea to file a bug with the stock Ubuntu ALSA pacakges.
[09:40] <dm> tm_T "waiting for X server to shut down Synaptics DeviceOff called
[09:40] <dm> tm_T ugh im so lost lol
[09:40] <[miles] > hi RAOF
[09:40] <RAOF> Hey.
[09:41] <RAOF> dm: I don't think you've actually told us what graphics card you are using.  Do you know?
[09:41] <[miles] > RAOF: it's using the alsa packages shipped with kubuntu
[09:41] <dm> RAOF Nvidia Quadro 120m (7400 go )
[09:42] <dm> uhh X just started after  reboot, weird
[09:42] <Tm_T> dm: =)
[09:42] <Tm_T> dm: new drivers installed or something perhaps?
[09:42] <RAOF> [miles] : No, it isn't: Driver version: 1.0.14rc1
[09:42] <dm> "GDM could not write to your authorization file "
[09:43] <[miles] > RAOF: one sec
[09:43] <RAOF> dm: You may have a full /home partition.  Which will *seriously* kill Ubuntu.
[09:44] <k6rfm> OK, I've been out of touch for a day or so.  Is it safe to upgrade feisty now?
[09:44] <RAOF> yes
[09:45] <dm> ROAF how do i tell if my partition is full from command line
[09:45] <k6rfm> RAOF, tnx.  here I go...
[09:45] <dfgas_> lol, i am using the nvidia drivers on my nvidia geforce go 6100 and i can't see the mouse pointer
[09:46] <RAOF> dfgas_: Awesome.  Maybe you should grep your /var/log/Xog.0.log for (EE) :)
[09:47] <dfgas_> th emouse works, i can see it highlighting stuff but i can't actually see the pointer
[09:47] <dfgas_> and for some reason my lcdruns at 50hz now
[09:47] <[miles] > RAOF: sorry, but I'm here at work on an Ubuntu beta box.. and Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc1 (Tue Jan 09 09:56:17 2007 UTC).
[09:48] <[miles] > RAOF: so it is the correct version I'm running on the laptop
[09:48] <RAOF> dfgas_: No, your LCD is running at 60Hz.  The new nvidia driver just (deliberately) misreports the refresh rate to Xorg.
[09:48] <dfgas_> ahh
[09:49] <[miles] > RAOF: alsa was completley reinstalled for the for test to compare the differences between the ubuntu 2.6.20-15 and my self built 2.6.20.7
[09:49] <[miles] > RAOF: do yourself a cat /proc/asound/version  .. I think you'll also be running 1.0.14rc1
[09:50] <RAOF> [miles] : Interesting, and also true.  Sorry.
[09:51] <[miles] > np
[09:51] <[miles] > RAOF: you had me checking and double checking then...
[09:51] <[miles] > lo
[09:51] <[miles] > lol
[09:53] <tolonuga> is the edgy debootstrap good enough to debootstrap a feisty system?
[09:54] <crimsun> tolonuga: I've already answered that.
[09:57] <dm> TM_T my home dirve was full, which miractulously, i lost 6 gigs of space somehow
[09:57] <tolonuga> yes, saw it (right after posting). thanks, will try.
[09:57] <Tm_T> dm: =)
[09:57] <tolonuga> btw: does anyone know a xen based autobuilder? I only know the opensuse build daemon, and with a web frontend etc. it looks more complex that what I need.
[09:58] <dfgas_> fixed it
[09:58] <dfgas_> now i have a pointer again  :D
[09:59] <dm> tm_t MY GOD, beagle is taking 7 gigs !!
[09:59] <leagris> What is the policy in keeping/removing old or outdated candidate packages from universe? I can find 3ddesktop wich is quite old and better replaced by Compiz or Beryl.
[10:00] <Tm_T> dm: guess am I using it
[10:00] <crimsun> [miles] : pastebin your /proc/asound/card0/codec*
[10:01] <crimsun> [miles] : nevermind, I'm reading 106843.
[10:01] <deepsa> so is the release candiate is ubuntu fiesty final - testing ??
[10:02] <dm> Tm_T have any links to install nvidia driver to feisty?
[10:03] <Tm_T> !nvidia
[10:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:03] <Tm_T> there you go
[10:03] <Tm_T> also there is new tool, but don't know about it
[10:04] <crimsun> [miles] : nope, the wrong codec information is printed in that output
[10:04] <crimsun> [miles] : I need /proc/asound/card0/codec#0
[10:05] <crimsun> [miles] : further, I don't bump versions between updates, so don't go by the version reported in /proc/asound/version . I backport all the fixes from hg, and Ubuntu has several quirk entries not present in upstream yet.
[10:07] <crimsun> [miles] : to answer your question: no, feisty will not ship with this supported added. The kernel is frozen; no source changes are allowed.
[10:10] <Andruk> is theere a way i can get metacity to start automatically when i login?
[10:10] <crimsun> Andruk: it does start automatically by default...
[10:10] <[miles] > sorry back now crimsun ... went to take coffee
[10:10] <[miles] > crimsun: just reading thru what you wrote
[10:11] <[miles] > crimsun: sorry, I don't have the laptop with me
[10:11] <crimsun> [miles] : make your comments on the bug report. I've already asked for info there.
[10:11] <crimsun> I need to leave for work.
[10:11] <[miles] > crimsun: ok, thanks, I'll check it now
[10:12] <Ronald> hi!... having some rather peculiar issue where my gnome-panels don't seem to load up into view. Sometimes neither the top nor bottom loads, today just the top one loaded.... throwing a kill on gnome-panel causing reload normally makes everything show up.... Any ideas ?
[10:13] <[miles] > crimsun: is it part of the modules, or embeded in the kernel
[10:20] <[miles] > mmm I guess I'm gonna have to just role my own kernel for my laptop... hoo-hum
[10:26] <wowow> hey guys
[10:27] <wowow> i just installed feisty on a lappy with intel chipset
[10:27] <wowow> what is going on here, the gnome panel is taking up 80% of my cpu
[10:27] <wowow> now update notifier is
[10:27] <wowow> anyone know roughly the status of feisty tonight? is it completely borked?
[10:27] <meff> workign fine for me
[10:27] <mc44> wowow: nope
[10:28] <wowow> wow, its working like a piece of junk here
[10:28] <mc44> wowow: you installed the beta cd?
[10:29] <wowow> beta yeah, dist upgraded after that
[10:29] <wowow> i'm not complaining btw
[10:29] <AnRkey> I see the beta add has changed to a countdown add, no RC then?
[10:29] <wowow> just brainstorming, i don't even know where to start looking for issues here
[10:30] <mc44> wowow: try killall gnome-panel
[10:30] <wowow> then something else takes its place to jack up th ecpu
[10:30] <mc44> AnRkey: dont know if there will be an RC yet
[10:31] <AnRkey> will we still release on thursday?
[10:31] <wowow> for example update notifire
[10:31] <wowow> then gnome panel gets restarted and it takes cpu cycles over
[10:31] <wowow> wow
[10:31] <wowow> now cpu freq applet
[10:32] <wowow> now mixer applet
[10:32] <mc44> wowow: youve tried rebooting? :P
[10:32] <wowow> i'm not a noob :)
[10:32] <mc44> well rebooting shouldnt really help anyway
[10:32] <wowow> occasionally with a driver issue it does if modprobe rmmod don't work
[10:33] <mc44> doesnt sound like a driver issue :)
[10:33] <mc44> Have you tried logging in with a differnet gnome session
[10:33] <wowow> actually you know, your right
[10:33] <wowow> xorg probably
[10:34] <wowow> it would make sense in terms ofapps using up cpu resources alternatively as each one gets launched
[10:37] <wowow> and the fucking power management sucks too
[10:37] <wowow> holy moly th ecpu fan isnt stopping
[10:37] <mc44> !ohmy
[10:37] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:37] <jenda> wowow: please keep the language friendly.
[10:37] <wowow> oops sorry :)
[10:38] <wowow> didn't mean that really
[10:38] <jenda> :)
[10:38] <mc44> jenda: at least I know how to summon you know :)
[10:38] <jenda> mc44: hehe
[10:38] <mc44> *now
[10:38] <jenda> You know, there are cases when I'd ignore even that.
[10:38] <jenda> They start with <mc44>
[10:39] <wowow> and what the heck is it with the characters in things that use curses
[10:39] <wowow> weird characters around the interactive window
[10:39] <wowow> jeebus
[10:39] <jenda> evil ;)
[10:39] <billy> k9copy crashes as soon as I launch it.  I launched it in a terminal to see the error outputs.  Would someone look at them and perhaps tell me what I have to do?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15946/
[10:40] <wowow> and vesa mode no longer works?
[10:40] <wowow> what the heck is going on here
[10:43] <tex__> hi
[10:43] <tex__> i'm a windows user
[10:44] <tex__> i'd like to install Ubuntu 7.04 when it's released
[10:44] <deepsa> good
[10:44] <deepsa> www.ubuntu.com
[10:44] <tex__> i'm planning the needed partitions for a dual boot install
[10:45] <tex__> i need a shared partition between win and ubuntu
[10:45] <tex__> do i have to use fat32?
[10:45] <jenda> tex__: you don't have to, but it's a good start
[10:45] <billy> tex__, no.  but it'd be simpler.
[10:46] <jenda> tex__: you could also install ext3 support for windows, or try out ubuntu's ntfs support (which is risky)
[10:46] <tex__> a friend told me that ubuntu 7.04 will have preinstalled ntfs drivers
[10:46] <tex__> can you confirm that?
[10:46] <wowow> what is scrollkeeper-up?
[10:46] <mc44> tex__: it can read them, not write to them by default
[10:47] <tex__> so i have to install ntfs-3g also with ubuntu 7.04?
[10:47] <mc44> yes
[10:49] <tex__> what is better: install ext3 support for windows or install ntfs support (ntfs3g) for ubuntu?
[10:49] <wowow> oh you know, it says /usr/share/fonts failed to write cache ... that could be causing x issues
[10:49] <wowow> interesting
[10:50] <meff> theres ext3 "support" for windows? iirc all there is is explore2fs.. no real read/write virtual disk solution type fo thing yet
[10:51] <mc44> tex__: probably ntfs3g, however it may break things still
[10:51] <tex__> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[10:51] <derek_> Hi
[10:51] <derek_> I have set up a pcf font .. How can I make the effect of xset +fp /home/derek/.fonts/bitmap and xset fp rehash permanent?
[10:53] <disposable> how long will feisty be supported? (security updates available)
[10:53] <mc44> 18 months
[10:56] <billy> weird.  if I select "use openGL for preview" with k9copy I get all sorts of errors.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15946/
[10:56] <disposable> mc44, thank you
[10:57] <billy> disposable, from what I understand, 7.10 will be a LTS.
[10:57] <billy> too late.
[10:57] <wowow> not from what i was told
[10:57] <wowow> its feisty +2
[10:57] <wowow> next year
[10:57] <billy> oh.
[10:58] <Ronald> maillist post said 7.10 won't be LTS
[10:58] <Ronald> by shuttleworth
[10:59] <enyc> Ronald: I agree
[11:00] <Ronald> Just looked at the last hour of channel history... someone with a gnome-panel issue as well....
[11:00] <wowow> totally
[11:00] <Ronald> mine pretty often don't load up before a kill on the gnome-panel process
[11:00] <wowow> its not just gnome panel
[11:01] <wowow> yeah it has nothing to do with tha ti think
[11:01] <wowow> i just noticed that the box failed to write cache for /var/lib and such
[11:01] <wowow> x11 fonts
[11:01] <Ronald> weirdness is
[11:01] <wowow> it seems any x app is toasting my cpu as a result
[11:01] <Ronald> have both on my lappy and my desk 7.10
[11:01] <Ronald> and lappy has no issues
[11:01] <wowow> and is a noted bug
[11:01] <Ronald> difference
[11:01] <Ronald> is beryl
[11:01] <wowow> not here
[11:02] <wowow> i just installed from beta disk
[11:02] <Ronald> same here, last beta, not the RC disk
[11:02] <Ronald> but
[11:02] <Ronald> should that make a difference after updating
[11:02] <Ronald> ?
[11:02] <wowow> not yet
[11:02] <wowow> *grr*
[11:03] <wowow> and i don't have time for this, plane leaves in hours
[11:03] <Ronald> hehe :D
[11:03] <Ronald> not wise to mess things up just before you have to go away ;)
[11:04] <jhaig> I've just seen a review for Feisty on The Register.  Has a release candidate been announced, or are The Register being too hasty?
[11:04] <Ronald> jhaig: /topic
[11:06] <jhaig> Hmmm, had I actually read the article properly, I would have seen that they did mention the release date of 19th - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/16/ubuntu_feisty_release/
[11:06] <mc44> jhaig: the regiser? inaccurate? shocked I say
[11:06] <leagris> ;D
[11:07] <Ronald> usual reg style
[11:07] <mc44> and no the RC hasnt been released yet
[11:07] <Ronald> 'almost right'
[11:07] <wowow> how does scp work again?  scp thisfilewherei'mloggedin ssh://user:ipathatmachine?
[11:07] <meff> heh
[11:07] <Ronald> user@machine:dir
[11:07] <jhaig> wowow: scp thisfile user@remotemachine:location
[11:08] <leagris> Yep, April 1st Ubuntu plan to use RPM instead of deb packaging for next release
[11:08] <meff> lol
[11:09] <billy> how do I get wget to download all the files on a webpage?
[11:09] <Ronald> user will default to the username of the account you are logged into
[11:09] <jhaig> wowow: You can also use scp to copy from a remote machine to the local machine.
[11:09] <Ronald> dir will default to the destinations homedir
[11:09] <enyc> hrrm
[11:09] <Ronald> but the hostname and ":" is very needed :P
[11:09] <leagris> jhaig, wowow or rsync
[11:09] <enyc> leagris: lol
[11:10] <Ronald> jhaig: scp will gladly go local to local as well :P
[11:10] <Andruk> are beryl and compiz so different that i should use one over the other?
[11:10] <jhaig> Ronald: Maybe, but a little pointless  :-)
[11:10] <Ronald> Andruk: hopefully the difference will be gone soon. right now Beryl is more featured, moree bleeding dge, thus possibly less stable.
[11:10] <leagris> AndrewB, IMHO Beryl has more features or much finalized
[11:11] <xopher> beryl HAS got more features
[11:11] <leagris> As a visualy impaired 10%sightness I appreciate muche the interactive zoom feature in Beryl
[11:11] <xopher> yeah, I love that feature too
[11:12] <xopher> even though my eyesight is normal
[11:12] <leagris> too bad it cant follow a text cursor or active widgets
[11:12] <xopher> have you reported that?
[11:12] <linxeh> leagris: request it :)
[11:12] <xopher> yeah
[11:12] <xopher> that sounds like a good idea, they've probably just forgot that or something
[11:13] <leagris> linxeh, I guess it would be a nightmare because there are many different ways of drawing text and widgets which some include direct pixel rendering avoiding gtk or qt entirely
[11:13] <enyc> Hrrm
[11:13] <billy> If I remember correctly, Compiz's zoom function won't allow you to type while zoomed in.
[11:13] <Andruk> Ronald: how soon: weeks, a few months, or many months?
[11:14] <leagris> billy, it don't. Beryl's interactive zoom does and it is a big big bonus improvment
[11:14] <linxeh> leagris: quite possibly - but even if it only worked on a fraction of the apps it might still be beneficial. support for other apps could be added later maybe
[11:14] <enyc> I expect RC CD any moment now therefore ;-)
[11:14] <billy> leagris, yes.  quite useful.
[11:14] <xopher> Andruk, well that's really hard to say, I doubt even the devs know.. Can take a while, probably a few months at least - before the compiz and beryl merge is complete
[11:15] <billy> how can I change which program .mp3 files are associated with?
[11:15] <Ronald> Andruk: no idea. Beryl is a fork of compiz, and just last weak they announced to re-unite
[11:16] <xopher> billy, right click on the file, properties, open with? ;p
[11:16] <wowow> okay who had that panel issue?
[11:16] <wowow> here is the fix
[11:16] <Andruk> Ronald: oh, okay...i was reading that they were merging, i didnt know they announced it last week though.  kind of a good idea, really.  simply fork the project to develop competition in development, then take the best of both worlds and merge them together.  well done devs!
[11:16] <wowow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2208582
[11:16] <wowow> oops
[11:16] <wowow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2401087&postcount=4
[11:16] <wowow> that
[11:17] <leagris> llinxeh there are already serious work on gnome accssibility with orca, cisero, brltty... I subscribed a blind linux user list a while ago. Quite good things comming for braille but not that much for things like interactive zoming. Beryl is the first realy usefull zoom
[11:17] <billy> thanks xopher
[11:17] <wowow> basically whenever an x app tried to start up the fawking x11 font issue got in the way
[11:17] <wowow> give that a try instead
[11:17] <Andruk> is there a way i can get metacity to start up with my login?
[11:17] <Ronald> Andruk: its more about politics usually... but the result from forks are good a few times... notable: egcs/gcc, Xorg... lets hope beryl compiz will follow that successline
[11:18] <Andruk> what did Xorg compete with?
[11:18] <meff> XFree86
[11:18] <Ronald> Xfree, which made a politic discision that didn't go well with a lot of people
[11:18] <Andruk> ah
[11:18] <Tom_g> Ronald: what decision?
[11:18] <jhaig> XOrg was a fork of XFree86 when they decided to change some points of the licencing, I believe.
[11:19] <Andruk> Ronald: sry to diverge from the channel topic...hat decision?
[11:19] <Ronald> was the drop that made the bucket of water overflow basically
[11:19] <Ronald> there was a bit of general unhappyness in the xfree developers community
[11:19] <Ronald> the license change made the bubble burst
[11:19] <Andruk> what did they change in the licensing?
[11:19] <meff> heh
[11:20] <Ronald> added a clause alike in the 4 clause BSD license (which is not used much, not by the *BSDs, which use the newer 3 clause BSD license)
[11:21] <Tom_g> i try not to get caught up in politics... if it works good, i dont care weather its open source or watever
[11:21] <enyc> Tom_g: xfree86 licensing became something that the FSF and DFSG considered "non-free" I believe...
[11:21] <Ronald> enyc: advertisement clause, which is gpl incompatible
[11:21] <Tom_g> enyc: oh, mr stallman whining again lol
[11:21] <enyc> Tom_g: so... x.org forked the version before that version, I think
[11:21] <wowow> lay off stallman
[11:21] <wowow> if it weren't for stallman you would all be working for the bsd folks
[11:22] <wowow> aka: microsoft
[11:22] <wowow> :)
[11:22] <Ronald> stallman is good... he is a bit of a fanatic, but he has a goal which doesn't hurt others.
[11:22] <enyc> Tom_g: well you come to your own conclusions... ;-)
[11:22] <wowow> its hard to call someone that lives by their own rules a fanatic
[11:22] <Tom_g> i nt got anything against him, but he does get a bit whiney uve gotta admit
[11:22] <Ronald> fanatic in a positive sense
[11:22] <wowow> if anything he is the closest we will see anyone live by their own philosophies
[11:22] <Ronald> passionate perhaps
[11:22] <meff> iirc xfree86 is still in development and used in some commercial unicies right?
[11:22] <wowow> we can say the same things about our selves
[11:23] <Tom_g> true
[11:23] <Tom_g> no1 perfect
[11:23] <meff> but most of the devs moved to xorg
[11:23] <wowow> i'm a hypocrite and while there is room for that in the world, stallman really sets an example
[11:23] <wowow> a non violent example at that
[11:23] <enyc> meff: there is also nothing to stop xorg being used in "cormmercial" unix
[11:23] <wowow> even his protests dont interfere with people he is protesting against
[11:23] <Ronald> wowow: thats why stallman is good.
[11:23] <enyc> meff: in fact there is notthing to stop GPL code in "commercial" unix..
[11:23] <meff> enyc: never said there was
[11:23] <wowow> he once protested with a bunch of people silently against some schlock from some company while they gave a presentation
[11:23] <Ronald> SCO does it ;)
[11:24] <enyc> meff: you may consider ubuntu "commercial" if you like imho... its got commercial support and all
[11:24] <wowow> the presentation went off without a hitch, they were quiet
[11:24] <enyc> meff: [ok]  ;-)
[11:24] <wowow> stallman is anything but extreme
[11:24] <Tom_g> wowow: yea but i think people have gotta accept that for people to move to linux, certin binary things have to be used, we may not like it, but its life
[11:24] <wowow> Tom_g, thats actually incorrect
[11:24] <wowow> gpl stands for freedom
[11:24] <wowow> if people want to use other things they can pay ms or apple to take away their freedom
[11:24] <wowow> however
[11:24] <Tom_g> but there has to be a transition
[11:24] <wowow> right
[11:24] <wowow> this is where mark has it correct
[11:24] <wowow> non free stuff and compromises are bugs to be worked out
[11:25] <enyc> meff: I dont know any reason anybody would want to use xfree86 myself... but whatever ;-)
[11:25] <wowow> once you get critical mass you can start working in the 'education' part
[11:25] <wowow> i agree you can't have a clean transition
[11:25] <Tom_g> we have to give people their mp3 playback, their gfx drivers, then gradually ween them off it
[11:25] <meff> enyc: true, but doesnt solaris still use it? i dont remember
[11:25] <Tom_g> wowow: lol woo we agreed!
[11:25] <wowow> :) haha!
[11:25] <gnomefreak> guys can please please stay on tpic. your going a bit off support
[11:25] <wowow> you thought i was gonna pulla stallman eh?
[11:26] <Tom_g> wowow: :p
[11:26] <wowow> i try to stand up for the dude, his gpl thing is like one of the GREAT hacks ever
[11:26] <wowow> he totally hacked copyright in on it self
[11:26] <wowow> its fricking beautiful
[11:26] <meff> gnomefreak: should be okay to go off topic if nobody is asking for help right?
[11:26] <wowow> the bsd folks work for free for corps that don't pay them
[11:26] <enyc> Anyway
[11:26] <gnomefreak> meff: no
[11:26] <wowow> he figured out how to get the whole thing going with words
[11:26] <wowow> just words ... well and a compiler and things :)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> join #ubuntu-offtopic to continue
[11:26] <enyc> can I expect a feisty RC disk today... will a 20600415 disk work fine anyway?
[11:27] <wowow> true true
[11:27] <wowow> sorry!
[11:27] <meff> no thanks im in enough channels to count :P
[11:27] <mono> Hey guys. Can anyone point me in the direction of the software improvements for 7.04?
[11:27] <enyc> I mish to install on an intel 8?? chipset SATA w/ PATA cdrom....  and normal wired ethernet ...
[11:27] <gnomefreak> enyc: hopfully today they were rolling them on sat.
[11:27] <mc44> gnomefreak: actually sunday :)
[11:27] <enyc> gnomefreak: excellent
[11:27] <Andruk> meff: how do i get metacity to start when i login?
[11:27] <enyc> mc44: I could see the changes at mweekend ... in email
[11:27] <gnomefreak> mc44: mith.. was rolling the sat
[11:27] <enyc> mc44: looked like finishing CD for new kernel
[11:28] <mc44> gnomefreak: there was another kernel
[11:28] <gnomefreak> i know.
[11:28] <meff> Andruk: ? .. should run by itself if you use gnome
[11:28] <Ronald> Andruk: metacity/gnome is default on the ubunty variation
[11:28] <Andruk> yeah, it should.  it doesnt, i have to start it with a terminal.
[11:28] <mc44> gnomefreak: thought it was yesterday, oh well, doesnt matter :)
[11:30] <eMaX_> ne1 has an idea whether mplayer plugin for firefox stopped working with a recent update?
[11:30] <eMaX_> ff just crashes when viewing anything on youtube
[11:30] <Andruk> oh, nuther question: how do i get firestarter to startup in the tray when i login?
[11:30] <meff> Andruk: session mgmt?
[11:31] <meff> system->prefs->sessions
[11:32] <meff> eMaX_: working fine here in a 32bit chroot off feisty 64 w/ everything up-to-date
[11:41] <mono> Anyone got the features list for 7.04?
[11:48] <xopher> !feisty
[11:48] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[11:48] <mono> thanks xopher
[11:51] <bullgard4> What is 'ETA'? see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html
[11:53] <zdzichuBG> bullgard4: estimated time of arrival
[11:54] <heno> *** 20070415 are now the new Release Candidate ... candidates ***
[11:54] <heno> anyone feel likedoing some ISO testing?
[11:54] <heno> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023579.html fr details
[11:57] <bullgard4> zdzichuBG: What kind of language is that: "There is no updated time of arrival yet"? Language for the gurus only? This could have been said in plain English. Abbreviations for the sake of abbreviating?
[12:12] <tominglis> hey guys, how do you delete the address history in konqueror 3.5.6? the 'Clear History' option doesn't work?
[12:13] <h1st0> tominglis: take a look in your ~ for .konqueror folder.  Poke around in there.  Mayb ethe permissions were changed or are borked up.
[12:19] <mike00> does anyone know how to get xenman working in Feisty?
[12:23] <tominglis> h1st0: the konq_history file gets cleared, but there are still loads of url's in the location bar if you start to type something in, like www.t, loads of addresses beginning with t
[12:24] <tominglis> there must be another store of URL's somewhere?
[12:25] <xopher> you can't delete them by getting the list visible, then pressing delete when it's highlighted?
[12:26] <davisc> heno: Do you happen to know if there was a problem with some debs on the AMD64 20070414 ISO?
[12:26] <tominglis> xopher: no?
[12:26] <xopher> works for firefox ;)
[12:27] <xopher> no idea then, haven't used konq myself
[12:27] <heno> davisc: there were still some sata_nv kernel problems (not sure which arch)
[12:27] <heno> davisc: did you have boot problems?
[12:27] <davisc> heno: 2 corrupt debs screwed the base install for me and then I tried for a few hours to convince it install but gave up because I couldn't get an initrd that would accept my LVM /
[12:27] <heno> and could you try 20070415?
[12:27] <heno> davisc: did you do a CD self-test?
[12:28] <davisc> heno: I used the 20070410 ISO and everything worked. And I don't have time to wipe the machine and start again
[12:28] <heno> davisc: which ISO was this exactly?
[12:28] <davisc> heno: No, thought I could get around it and pretty much knew the 2 debs were corript
[12:28] <davisc> heno: 2 secs
[12:29] <davisc> heno: http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage/daily/20070412/feisty-alternate-amd64.iso to be precise
[12:29] <davisc> heno: If it wasn't a general problem, I'll jab the HEAnet mirror maintainers
[12:29] <minimec> Hi folks. I thought, that totem-gstreamer is now able to play all sort of multimedia streams (also the restricted formats). Now I see, that totem is still al pain... I can't play asf and wmv streams... Am I missing something??? It seems that I have to swich back to mplayer...
[12:30] <heno> davisc: did you check the md5sum? It might have been a bad download or burn
[12:30] <davisc> heno: Yeah, MD5 matched AFAIK
[12:30] <Ronald> minimec: did you install the required plugins for gstreamer?
[12:31] <lazka> minimec: mine plays wmv just fine. can you give us an example link?
[12:31] <davisc> heno: Most likely a wonky burn
[12:32] <heno> yep
[12:32] <minimec> Ronald: I have the gst-plugins installed (also the ugly ones)
[12:33] <minimec> lazka: Just a moment please...
[12:33] <heno> davisc: are you in touch with the HEAnet mirror folks? a resync would be great now, because we want to ask for further testing of this
[12:33] <davisc> heno: Yeah, I can mail them. Just want them to refresh the mirror?
[12:33] <Ronald> minimec: gst-inspect-0.10 |grep asf
[12:33] <heno> davisc: yes please
[12:34] <davisc> heno: Will do
[12:34] <minimec> lazka: http://www.tagesschau.de/sendungen/0,,OID6627166_VID6627272_RESms256_PLYinternal_NAV_,00.html
[12:36] <tominglis> xopher: i loaded up konqueror as root and deleted the history there aswell, it seems as if it was loading both histories when i was using it as me?
[12:36] <minimec> Ronald: Hmmm... asf: asfdemux: ASF Demuxer Where am I wrong?
[12:37] <Admiral_Chicago> heno: sorry for the ping, whats this about an RC? where did you get this information specifically
[12:37] <xopher> tominglis, but it fixed it?
[12:37] <xopher> weird
[12:37] <tominglis> xopher: yeah, i just cleared the root history
[12:37] <tominglis> xopher: would have thought it would keep root and me separate though
[12:37] <lazka> minimec: ok.. doesn't work. you're right.
[12:37] <minimec> lazka: Same thing with cnn streams. No chance for me too ...
[12:37] <heno> Admiral_Chicago: I am part of the release team, responsible for CD testing
[12:38] <Ronald> minimec: probably not... vlc plays the mms: stream as copied to clipboard by the totem plugin, but totem standalone does not
[12:38] <xopher> tominglis, try to reproduce the bug, if you can confirm it, it might be worth it to file a bug..
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> heno: ah thank you I was in xubuntu-devel being curious as I am starting the work on the xubuntu Feisty page.
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> heno: I was confused because I didn't see anything from Mithrandir in my inbok
[12:39] <minimec> Ronald: I didn't understand that. You mean, that the codec is not installed? And what has vlc to do with that?
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> box* thanks the information
[12:39] <Ronald> minimec: vlc is an alternative media player
[12:40] <Ronald> hmz
[12:40] <heno> Admiral_Chicago: this is basically the RC, but because time is tight for mirroring we may not do a full RC announcement (with /. etc), depends on how testing and mirroring goes today
[12:40] <Ronald> after a few minutes on the tagesschau page the audio started
[12:40] <minimec> Ronald: I do know that... So you are using vlc with the appropriate mozilla plugin? I was using mplayer until now ...
[12:40] <Ronald> no that was standalone
[12:41] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll test the nightlies in a Xen server I think.
[12:41] <minimec> Ronald: Yeah... I also have the audio after 3 minutes
 Admiral_Chicago: this is basically the RC, but because time is tight for mirroring we may not do a full RC announcement (with /. etc), depends on how testing and mirroring goes today
[12:41] <kal_> which version are yout alking about ? the latest live cd buil ?
[12:42] <kal_> 20070415 ?
[12:42] <heno> kal_: yes
[12:42] <kal_> ok
[12:42] <kal_> thank you heno
[12:42] <heno> daily builds magically turn into milestones after some testing
[12:42] <sponge_bob> I think I installed the wrong version of ubuntu on my laptop...can someone help me?
[12:42] <Ronald> minimec: waiting for totem stand alone launched from a terminal... hope it will spawn some info
[12:42] <Ronald> sponge_bob: tell more
[12:43] <heno> we then move those exact images to different servers and mirror them for mass downloading
[12:43] <sponge_bob> Ronald, this has a 64 bit processor and Im wondering if I have the right version of ubuntu installed
[12:43] <minimec> Ronald: I did that too. Wait a moment...
[12:43] <minimec> !pastebin
[12:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:44] <Ronald> minimec: zero info...
[12:45] <minimec> Ronald: This is what I get with cnn streams http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15953/
[12:46] <minimec> Ronald: It looks, that I have no decoder installed ;)
[12:46] <ZombiekE> hello, I updated to 15 but I still have the same problem, I get a black screen and the mouse "waiting", what can I do?
[12:47] <AngryElf_> has anyone else experienced a slow ssh client with fiesty?
[12:49] <sponge_bob> Ronald, I have an AMD Turion 64 ML-32 processor and Im guessing I need to get the 64 bit version of ubuntu
[12:50] <Ronald> sponge_bob: need is a big word. Did you get the x86 or amd64 cd
[12:50] <sponge_bob> x86
[12:50] <Ronald> perhaps suboptimal, but not a big problem
[12:51] <eMaX_> is it possible to copy a file from an smb mounted share so that a broken transfer can be resumed? rsync --partial restarts at the beginning
[12:51] <leagris> AngryElf_, you can try ssh -vvv thehost and see what operation takes time
[12:51] <slytherin> eMaX_: Does wget support download from smb shares?
[12:51] <sponge_bob> :)
[12:52] <sponge_bob> and my wireless wasnt getting detected as well as the video
[12:53] <eMaX_> well the mounted share basically is part of the file system, so a normal copy works. yet I have to copy a pretty big file, and the network may go down in the meantime.
[12:54] <minimec> Ronald: So you do agree, that totem-gstreamer is still crap? ;)
[12:55] <Ronald> minimec: nope :D there must be something weird
[12:56] <Ronald> my gst install has wmv up to v9 through ffmpeg
[12:56] <minimec> Ronald: I mean... This is a clean feisty install...
[12:56] <Ronald> same
[12:56] <tominglis> hi guys, whenever kernel updates occur there is an error message saying that the dmsetup rules file 25 is missing, is there a way to get it back?
[12:58] <minimec> Ronald: but you can't play that 'tagesschau-stream with totem neither, do you? It works with mplayer... ;)
[12:58] <dystopianray> minimec: do you have the restricted codecs stuff for gstreamer?
[12:59] <sponge_bob> Ronald, well I dont like the idea of anything being sub-optimal
[12:59] <sponge_bob> heh
[12:59] <Ronald> dystopianray: its a 3 minute stream, which starts audio only after.... 3 minutes... installed codecs includ wmv up to v9
[12:59] <spheard> Hi, Ive just reinstalled vista on my dual boot with edgy. vista has over written my MBR. Is there an easy way to get grub back on charge?
[12:59] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: your whole experience will likely be suboptimal with 64-bit, no flash, no java firefox plugin, etc..
[12:59] <Ronald> i want the wmv, but wget doesn't exactly support mms schemes
[12:59] <dystopianray> Ronald: oh, how strange
[01:00] <tominglis> spheard: there is a page in the ubuntu wiki that tells you how to get grub back
[01:00] <sponge_bob> ouch
[01:00] <minimec> dystopianray: Wich package would that be? I have all the gst-plugins installed, including 'ugly' and 'ugly-multiverse'
[01:00] <dystopianray> minimec: I don't know sorry, i use kubuntu
[01:01] <dystopianray> spheard: basically just just chroot from the livecd and run something like: grub-install --no-floppy /dev/blah
[01:01] <Ronald> if gstreamer saw the video stream, and notices it cannot handle it, it will throw an error (or really, launch synaptic for you)
[01:01] <minimec> dystopianray: So no gstreamer ;)
[01:01] <dystopianray> minimec: yep, only xine and wmv3 works with libxine-extracodecs
[01:02] <Ronald> minimec: incidentally, happen to know how to save the wmv to disk, instead of trying to play it ;)?
[01:02] <minimec> Ronald: I do agree with you. But in our case, the plugin seems to buffer correctly, but fails to play ...
[01:03] <Ronald> have you used edgy before?
[01:03] <minimec> Ronald: I used edgy before, but this is a clean feisty install.
[01:03] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, so your saying I am better using the PC version instead?
[01:04] <Ronald> did tageschau work on edgy?
[01:04] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: with the x86 version, yes
[01:04] <sponge_bob> yeah
[01:04] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I can't seem to get my wireless running...could you help me out?
[01:04] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: what chipset?
[01:05] <sponge_bob> how can I check that
[01:05] <minimec> Ronald: It worked with edgy and also works now with feisty when I use mplayer and the w32codecs.
[01:05] <Ronald> its wmv8, wma8
[01:05] <Ronald> totem properties says
[01:05] <Ronald> dimensions 0x0
[01:05] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: pastebin the output of 'lspci'
[01:05] <Ronald> framerate and bitrate 0
[01:05] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, ok 1 minute
[01:07] <Madeye> anyone got apache2/php5 running on feisty ?
[01:07] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, http://pastebin.ca/442598
[01:07] <heno> anyone here have experience with Microsoft Virtual PC? It would be nice to test some ubuntu ISOs on it
[01:07] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok you have broadcom wireless, i'd recommend using ndiswrapper
[01:07] <sponge_bob> my video could use some better drivers too I am guessing
[01:08] <dystopianray> heno: why not use vmware?
[01:08] <dystopianray> heno: I don't think virtual pc supports anything but dos and windows
[01:08] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: what video card?
[01:08] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: oh wait, i'll just look at lspci
[01:08] <heno> dystopianray: that's vwhat I'd like to find out :)
[01:09] <heno> dystopianray: we use both vmware and virtualbox extensively
[01:09] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: oh sis video, can't help with that
[01:09] <Ronald> minimec: hmz... gst doesn't use typefinding, instead of that it relies on info from the asf
[01:09] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, so I install ndiswrapper?
[01:09] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: yes and you have to blacklist the bcm43xx driver
[01:10] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: and you need to get some firmware for your card
[01:10] <dystopianray> heno: maybe this will help http://vpc.visualwin.com/
[01:10] <minimec> Ronald: I guess, that I will swich back to mplayer and paste a bug for totem-gstreamer.
[01:11] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: i mean, umm you don't need firmware, but you need the .sys and .inf file from a windows driver
[01:11] <sponge_bob> ok
[01:11] <heno> dystopianray: thanks
[01:13] <kal_> I've just tested the latest iso (20070415), and i have a screen corruption on my desktop computer. It seems ok on my laptop anyway
[01:13] <kal_> I don't know if i need to report this bug, and what log should i include ...
[01:13] <kal_> which*
[01:13] <dystopianray> kal_: what video hardwrae do you have?
[01:13] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I got ndiswrapper installed now
[01:13] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok, now you need to blacklist the bcm43xx driver
[01:13] <kal_> dystopianray: a geforce 7600GT
[01:13] <dystopianray> kal_: are you using the nv or nvidia driver?
[01:13] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, hows that?
[01:14] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: what is the output of this: lsmod | grep bcm
[01:14] <kal_> dystopianray: i didn't touched anything. I just let the cd booting and i dnt know which one its using
[01:14] <dystopianray> kal_: the corruption is on the livecd?
[01:14] <kal_> dystopianray: yes
[01:14] <kal_> when X appear
[01:15] <kal_> usplash is ok :)
[01:15] <dystopianray> kal_: what does the corruption look like?
[01:15] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, http://pastebin.ca/442609
[01:16] <kal_> dystopianray: hmm, im going to take a picture if you want ?
[01:16] <dystopianray> kal_: sure
[01:16] <Ronald> minimec: fetched a tool called mms_client, trying to save the wmv through that....
[01:16] <kal_> ok lemme reboot on the live cd
[01:16] <kal_> i'll be back
[01:17] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: open up /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and on a new line put this 'blacklist bcm43xx'
[01:17] <minimec> Ronald: This is amazing. ;) I switched to totem-xine in combination with the w32codecs, and guesss what happened ... I can see the streams of tagesschau.de but still no streams of cnn.com ;)
[01:18] <Ronald> minimec: totem plays the downloaded Tagsschau no issues
[01:19] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, saved and done
[01:19] <Ronald> framerate doesn't exactly look like 50 fps though :P
[01:20] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok now run this 'modprobe -r bcm43xx'
[01:20] <valehru> Hey guys, is there a reason why nautilus won't let me rename any folders, or create any folders even in my home directory.  Is this a bug?  Even when I try and creat a new folder through bluefish or firefox it works one minute and then doesnt the next.  Also applies to renaming files, I can delete them no problem
[01:20] <minimec> Ronald: So you fetch the stream with your mms_client and then play it from your local drive... Why not. I will have a look at that. I will continue to use mplayer...
[01:20] <Ronald> minimec: you may include this in your bugreport
[01:20] <minimec> Ronald: Yeah ;) I will ...
[01:20] <Ronald> minimec: its unacceptable, but important info for the developers
[01:21] <dystopianray> valehru: what filesystem is it? are there any errors in dmesg appearing?
[01:21] <valehru> dystopianray, ext3
[01:21] <Ronald> minimec: as it helps them narrow down the root of the problem
[01:21] <valehru> dystopianray, lemme check dmesg
[01:21] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, Error removing bcm43xx
[01:21] <valehru> dystopianray, nothing coming up in dmesg
[01:22] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: did you use sudo?
[01:22] <dystopianray> valehru: only nautilus has the problem?
[01:22] <valehru> dystopianray, well, I do it in nautilus, in the desktop, and through firefox and other appz....they all seem to be affected...its weird
[01:22] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, ok that gave no error back
[01:23] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok, now you need to get the .sys and .inf file from a windows driver for your card
[01:23] <Ronald> minimec: drop me a link to your bugreport please ;)
[01:23] <valehru> sponge_bob, are you using ndiswrapper?
[01:23] <sponge_bob> I installed ndiswrapper
[01:23] <sponge_bob> how do I use that
[01:23] <valehru> sponge_bob, what version?
[01:24] <sponge_bob> how can I check?
[01:24] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: you use it by getting a .sys and .inf file for your card from a windows driver
[01:24] <valehru> sponge_bob, the one in the repository or from sourceforge?
[01:24] <valehru> sponge_bob, ndiswrapper -v
[01:24] <dystopianray> valehru: from the repo
[01:24] <minimec> Ronald: Well I will try to get as much information as possible out of my system ;). I will give you the link, but it will take some time to write and investigate the problem.
[01:24] <dystopianray> valehru: he is going to use it instead of bcm43xx
[01:24] <valehru> dystopianray, get the latest one from the sourceforge
[01:24] <dystopianray> valehru: why?
[01:24] <valehru> dystopianray, 1.40 I believe
[01:24] <sponge_bob> driver version 1.38
[01:24] <dystopianray> valehru: for what reason?
[01:25] <valehru> I had problems with the one from the repos last night
[01:25] <dystopianray> valehru: well we'll wait until he has problems too
[01:25] <valehru> I compiled the one from sourceforge and it worked no problem
[01:25] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: do you dual boot? or have the driver cd for your card?
[01:26] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, yes dual boot
[01:26] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: and you have the wireless driver installed in windows?
[01:26] <sponge_bob> I can look online maybe for the wifi drivers
[01:26] <sponge_bob> yes
[01:26] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: best to use one that you know works
[01:26] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok, you can mount your windows partition and grab the driver from there
[01:27] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I see a drive on the desktop is that it?
[01:27] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: I don't know
[01:27] <sponge_bob> has windows and program files in it
[01:27] <TheSilentW> hello everyone, can anyone give me a nice repo list for feisty? cause i am new to linux, and its alot easier to do apt-get install than to try execute .sh files, specially ones in java that dont really do anything i can see
[01:27] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: well it must be it then
[01:28] <dystopianray> TheSilentW: what are you trying to do?
[01:28] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: i think windows keeps drivers in C:\windows\system32\
[01:28] <TheSilentW> dystopianray, trying to install blogbridge
[01:28] <sponge_bob> ok
[01:28] <minimec> Ronald: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/mimms Your mms_client is in the repo now ;)
[01:28] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I will check there
[01:29] <ROnewbie> I get no sound out of a Gateway 3040GZ laptop running Feisty; my sound card is an Intel 82801DB ch4; it's installed, and the modules are loaded, but no sound is coming out of it. HELP ?
[01:29] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: the driver is probably something like 'bcm*.sys'
[01:29] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: is that intel-hda?
[01:30] <valehru> sponge_bob, whats the name of your wifi card?  lspci gives what?
[01:30] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: mind the "newbie" part ... :-) ... hda = hard drive ?
[01:30] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: no, is your sound hardware the 'intel high definition audio' ?
[01:30] <dystopianray> valehru: it's a bcm4318 card
[01:31] <valehru> same as me
[01:31] <valehru> hang on.
[01:31] <minimec> ROnewbie: Try to change volume on 'Headphone' I had that problem with a Laptop... 'Headphone' was recognized as 'Master'
[01:31] <sponge_bob> valehru, http://pastebin.ca/442598
[01:31] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: I only know the name of it  - intel 82801DB - ICH4 ... how can I find out if it's hda ?
[01:32] <valehru> sponge_bob, http://www.valehru.com/blog/?p=181
[01:32] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: oh ich4, then it's probably not hda
[01:32] <ROnewbie> minimec: all volume controls are up, including that one
[01:32] <valehru> sponge_bob, drivers are up there.
[01:32] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: which means what ? good or bad ?
[01:32] <minimec> ROnewbie: ok. So I cannot help you ;)
[01:33] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: well both really, intel-hda is totally screwed on feisty and your card doesn't work
[01:33] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, you mean in  'C:\windows\system32\drivers' ?
[01:33] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: I have no idea, but use the driver valehru linked to
[01:34] <sponge_bob> I see a bcmwl5.sys in there
[01:34] <valehru> sponge_bob, http://www.valehru.com/files/SP34152A.tar.gz
[01:34] <valehru> sponge_bob, those are the latest ones I believe
[01:34] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: oh yeah that is the corect one
[01:34] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: grab that file and the matching *.inf file and copy to your home dir
[01:34] <ROnewbie> minimec, dystopianray: I played with the alsamixer in all possible combinations ... I am quite sure the modules are loaded, I have no idea what's happening. I had the same problem on Edgy, that's one of the reasons I switched to Feisty ... only difference is that some switches are now mutually excluding.
[01:34] <sponge_bob> k
[01:35] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: have you filed a bug report?
[01:35] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: if the drivers you are using in windows don't work then try the ones that valehru linked to
[01:35] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: no, not yet. I'm not sure yet it's a bug, I'm new to linux, and I wouldn't know what to paste there. Still learning most terminal commands.
[01:36] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, would the .inf be in the same dir?
[01:36] <minimec> ROnewbie: What about esd? Is esd installed and running?
[01:36] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: I think so
[01:36] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: but if not then just grab valehru's driver, I wouldn't know where else to look
[01:36] <valehru> sponge_bob, it should be.
[01:37] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: it's probably just bcmwl5.inf
[01:37] <ROnewbie> minimec: if by that you mean if it's checked in the "sound" section, yes, and ALL system sounds are assigned something. I went with someone more knowledgeable through the output of terminal commands and I was told there's no reason it wouldn't work.
[01:37] <sponge_bob> yes
[01:37] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: so you have the two files in your home dir now?
[01:38] <TheSilentW> dystopianray, trying to install blogbridge, java app
[01:38] <dystopianray> TheSilentW: if it's not in the official repos then I don't know where else it would be
[01:38] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I can see the .inf one but I cant copy it
[01:38] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: why not?
[01:39] <minimec> ROnewbie: Open gstreamer-properties and try to switch to ESD for output.
[01:39] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: try this: $ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[01:40] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, ok got it
[01:40] <sponge_bob> they both in there
[01:40] <ROnewbie> minimec: where's that ?
[01:40] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok, now open a terminal and run $ ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[01:40] <scotthammy> Quck one, hi everyone, can someone tell me where i can download the new 7.10 as i can get my wifi going.
[01:40] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: doing it now ... what is it ?
[01:40] <minimec> ROnewbie: open a terminal and type gstreamer-properties
[01:40] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: if you can't hear anything then your sound definietly doesn't work
[01:41] <valehru> sponge_bob, sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[01:41] <dystopianray> scotthammy: 7.10 won't be released till october
[01:41] <valehru> sponge_bob, then ndiswrapper -a 14E4:4318 bcmwl5
[01:41] <scotthammy> sorry
[01:41] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[01:41] <ROnewbie> bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[01:41] <scotthammy> 7.4
[01:41] <valehru> sponge_bob, then sudo ndiswrapper -a 14E4:4318 bcmwl5
[01:41] <ROnewbie> minimec: doing it now
[01:41] <dystopianray> valehru: he shouldn't need to do that
[01:42] <valehru> dystopianray, yes he should
[01:42] <valehru> dystopianray, I've installed that card on multiple machines
[01:42] <valehru> dystopianray, and I've had to do that each and every time
[01:42] <dystopianray> valehru: hrrm ok
[01:42] <valehru> dystopianray, it doesnt do any harm anyhow
[01:42] <scotthammy> 7.04 download Iso anyone? link?
[01:42] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: ok, something is using your sound device
[01:42] <dystopianray> scotthammy: not released yet
[01:43] <scotthammy> the beta?
[01:43] <ROnewbie> minimec: did that
[01:43] <scotthammy> the ubuntu page says its only 4 days away?
[01:43] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: could it be that I have a dual boot, with xp "taking it over", so to say ?
[01:43] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: unless windows is running right now, then no
[01:44] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: it isn't
[01:44] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: then windows isn't doing anything
[01:44] <dystopianray> scotthammy: beta: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/ pre-RC releases (newer than beta): http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[01:44] <minimec> ROnewbie: So no success with esd?
[01:44] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: forgot to say that I'm now playing with the sound preferences again, and just before I typed the command you said I switched to ESD, INSTED OF ALSA
[01:44] <scotthammy> Thank you :))
[01:44] <ROnewbie> instead of alsa
[01:45] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: that wasn't me
[01:45] <ROnewbie> minimec, nope
[01:45] <ROnewbie> minimec: should I restart?
[01:46] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: the command line that was supposed to bring in the background noise or something
[01:46] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: $ cat /dev/urandom etc.
[01:46] <sponge_bob> valehru, http://pastebin.ca/442632
[01:46] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: was that supposed to be typed in with ALSA selected all over ?
[01:47] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: something has stolen your sound device so what I suggeste won't work
[01:47] <minimec> ROnewbie: normally not, because esd is started by default, when you boot. You could try to reconfigure alsa-base by typing 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base' in a terminal.
[01:47] <ROnewbie> minimec: I'll restart, just for the fun of it ...
[01:47] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: that's funny ... any ideas of what this could be ?
[01:47] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: pastebin 'sudo ndiswrapper -l'
[01:47] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: no, sorry
[01:48] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: well, thanks for taking the time, anyway.
[01:48] <scotthammy> Can you tell me if the beta has anymore support for the bcom wifi cards?
[01:48] <dystopianray> scotthammy: it has more than 6.10
[01:48] <dystopianray> scotthammy: and it still has ndiswrapper
[01:48] <Ronald> minimec: different package, but p[robably does the job
[01:49] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: just before I boot, do you have any idea if I can see what/how is using my soundcard ?
[01:49] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: maybe: $ sudo lsof /dev/snd* /dev/dsp
[01:49] <Ronald> restarting X, as Dell just delivered replacement monitor, so i want my dual screen back ;)
[01:49] <crimsun> use: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
[01:49] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: bash: $: command not found
[01:49] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, http://pastebin.ca/442636
[01:50] <scotthammy> Broadcom 43xx - i run over the howto in the forum but now ubuntu will not even get past the startup screen, so i hoping the 7.04 would work out of the box with my laptops Broadcom 43xx card?
[01:50] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: you should have lsof
[01:50] <dystopianray> scotthammy: no it won't
[01:50] <minimec> Ronald: Didn't install it yet
[01:50] <crimsun> scotthammy: it won't. for bcm43xx, you need extracted firmware. for ndiswrapper, you need the windows driver.
[01:50] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: cool ... what is it ?
[01:51] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: tells you what processes have the specified files open
[01:51] <ROnewbie> crimsun: have you been getting my messages ?
[01:51] <crimsun> ROnewbie: no
[01:51] <scotthammy> im trying really have to use ubuntu as a desktop replacement and more away from windows, but man, its not an easy move. is there any easy was i can install something to get it working?
[01:51] <crimsun> and I'm away for lecture. I'll be back in 90 minutes.
[01:51] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: so if you do $ sudo lsof /dev/snd/* it should tell you what process is using your soundcard
[01:52] <crimsun> dystopianray: please advise the above command that I've pasted. The one you're suggesting is insufficient.
[01:52] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I appreciate your help and patience
[01:52] <ROnewbie> crimsun: for 2 weeks now I'm trying to get sound on ubuntu, initially on 6.10, now on Feisty, and you've been recommended by some ppl as an audio guru ... do you have 2 minutes ?
[01:52] <crimsun> ROnewbie: 07:51 < crimsun> and I'm away for lecture. I'll be back in 90 minutes.
[01:52] <dystopianray> crimsun: i'm not suggesting anything in regards to what you said
[01:52] <crimsun> dystopianray: I'm telling you the /proper/ command.
[01:52] <dystopianray> crimsun: tell ROnewbie
[01:53] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: I typed lsof and got several pages
[01:53] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: of output
[01:53] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: run crimsun's command
[01:53] <crimsun> people with sound issues need to be reading and pastebinning http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:54] <crimsun> for gusty, we'll be integrating much of these debugging steps into the hwdb-client
[01:54] <crimsun> anyhow, off.
[01:54] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: this one ? lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
[01:54] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: use, pastebin the output of that
[01:54] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: use = yes
[01:54] <ROnewbie> !paste
[01:54] <Stormx2> crimsun: hwdb-client ?
[01:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:54] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, http://pastebin.ca/442636
[01:55] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok, now run this 'modprobe ndiswrapper'
[01:55] <TheSilentW> how do i see disk space ?
[01:55] <dystopianray> TheSilentW: df -h
[01:55] <TheSilentW> theres no graphical way?
[01:56] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: here it is : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15959/
[01:56] <asad2005> I want to add /dev/ttyS4 but MAKEDEV gives an error that udev is running ? can anyone help me creat /dev/ttyS4
[01:56] <dystopianray> TheSilentW: yeah there is, but guis suck
[01:56] <TheSilentW> LOL
[01:56] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, ok did that with a sudo
[01:56] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: now you should have working wireless
[01:57] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: ok, run this: $ sudo kill -9 5389 ; sudo kill -9 5480
[01:57] <minimec> TheSilentW: you have some basic infos in the gnome-system-manager
[01:57] <TheSilentW> OMG installed already soooooooo much stuff and i am still on 5 gb ?
[01:57] <TheSilentW> damn linux is small
[01:57] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: one second, I switched all sound events in preferences/sounds to ALSA, typed that again, and it looks like this
[01:58] <ROnewbie> COMMAND    PID  USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE  NODE NAME
[01:58] <ROnewbie> mixer_app 5480 ionut   18u   CHR 116,10      13553 /dev/snd/controlC0
[01:58] <ROnewbie> sorry for the paste, it's only 2 lines
[01:58] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: ok, so run this: $ sudo kill -9 5480
[01:58] <bicz> or pkill -9 mixer_app right?
[01:59] <dystopianray> bicz: yes that should work
[01:59] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: without the "$", right?
[02:00] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: yes, that should already be there in your shell prompt
[02:00] <kal> here is a picture of the screen corruption that i get with latest ubuntu live cd  :
[02:00] <kal> http://kalhfr.free.fr/linux/divers/Photo-0504.jpg
[02:01] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: i did, asked me for my pass, and then I got a pop-up - "volume control has quit unexpectedly. if you reload a panel object it will automatically be added back to the panel."
[02:01] <ROnewbie> and my sound control dissapeared from the toolbar
[02:01] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: that is normal
[02:01] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: and the sound control dissapeared from the toolbar
[02:01] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: now running that lsof command again should have an empty list
[02:01] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: yes that's fine
[02:02] <dystopianray> kal: oh dear
[02:02] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: yep, empty.
[02:02] <dystopianray> kal: i assume this doesn't happen with edgy?
[02:02] <kal> yep
[02:02] <clouder`grr> Anyone here use democracy?
[02:02] <kal> its just with feisty
[02:02] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: ok, now try this (it may be loud so be prepared to kill it with ctrl+c) $ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[02:02] <kal> dystopianray: where sould i notice this bug ?
[02:03] <dystopianray> kal: you can notice right there on your screen
[02:03] <ROnewbie> dystopianray:  oh, boy, wait a sec, I clicked the "reload" button by mistake, the icon is back again
[02:03] <kal> i mean, on a forum ? on a list ?
[02:03] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: typed lsof, here's new output
[02:03] <dystopianray> kal: submit a bug report on launchpad
[02:03] <kal> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[02:03] <kal> there ?
[02:03] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: mixer_app 16331 ionut   18u   CHR 116,10      13553 /dev/snd/controlC0
[02:04] <ROnewbie> so now sudo kill -16331 ?
[02:04] <minimec> clouder`grr: Yes. I installed it, but it is damn slow ...
[02:04] <dystopianray> kal: yes that appears to be the ubuntu bugs site on launchpad
[02:04] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: no, sudo kill -9 16331
[02:04] <Lin> Feisty is still broken?
[02:04] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: kill sends signals to processes, -9 is the KILL signal
[02:04] <dystopianray> Lin: shouldn't be
[02:05] <Lin> dystopianray: ok. ;-)
[02:05] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: k, did it
[02:05] <ROnewbie> dystopianray:  I'll now typed the urandom
[02:05] <clouder`grr> minimec: I upgraded from edgy and it lost all the channels I added, and won't recognize the vids I already downloaded
[02:05] <clouder`grr> minimec: what do you use for video rss feeds?
[02:06] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: nothing.
[02:06] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: ok,, your sound definetly doesn't work
[02:06] <ROnewbie> typed lsof again, nothing
[02:06] <minimec> clouder`grr: Yeah. that's true. In fact, feisty uses a newer version of democracyplayer. You will find your downloaded vids in .democracy/Movies.
[02:07] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: all that command does is write random garbage out ot your sound device, generates loud static on working devices
[02:07] <clouder`grr> minimec: yeah I see them, but democracy doesn't have them all organized nicely for me ;/
[02:07] <FlameBird> which is faster kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:07] <Lin> ubuntu!
[02:08] <mc44> marmite!
[02:08] <clouder`grr> ubuntu with fluxbox, or so I'm told
[02:08] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: yes, someone else advised me on it before, same results. same person gave me some command lines in the output of which he could see that the sound card is installed and the sound modules are loaded ... and it can't be a hardware issue, because in WinXP it works.
[02:08] <finalbeta> FlameBird: depends on the server you are downloading them from.
[02:08] <FlameBird> finalbeta, I am asking which is faster after I install one of them
[02:08] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: how do I reload the sound control ?
[02:09] <minimec> clouder`grr: I know. You will have to create a new channel database.
[02:09] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: I don't know, logging out and logging in will do it, I don't use gnome
[02:09] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: KDE ?
[02:09] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: yes
[02:09] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[02:09] <finalbeta> FlameBird: I know, but it's a weird question so I decided to give an alternative answer to a question you never really asked. FlameBird you wont notice the difference. KDE versus GNOME is not really decided on speed. Google KDE versus GNOME
[02:10] <clouder`grr> minimec: do you use something else, or do you just bear with democracy?
[02:10] <minimec> clouder`grr: penguintv looks like a nice alternative to me.
[02:11] <FlameBird> ok finalbeta thanks!
[02:11] <clouder`grr> minimec: alright, I'll check it out.  Thanks
[02:11] <minimec> clouder`grr: np
[02:11] <dystopianray> FlameBird: you pick kubuntu over ubuntu if you prefer KDE to Gnome
[02:11] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: cool ... do you KDE think it will solve my problem ? :-)) .... / thanks for the link, that page and I are old buddies ... I still hope it's not a bug, given that I'm a total noob at linux I'm still hoping it's just a checkbox or something ...
[02:12] <FlameBird> dystopianray, I understand that but I cant decide on wheter its gnome or kde that provides more features
[02:12] <ROnewbie> *think KDE
[02:13] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: no your problem has nothing to do with a desktop environment, your soundcard simply doesn't work
[02:13] <dystopianray> FlameBird: features don't matter, pick the one that you prefer
[02:13] <FlameBird> dystopianray, the one with more features?
[02:13] <FlameBird> :D
[02:14] <kal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/106983
[02:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 106983 in Ubuntu "Screen corruption on feisty live cd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:14] <minimec> FlameBird: I guess, that it is Linux, that prvides you the features. The Windows Environment only gives you a way to use the features. I prefer the gnome way.
[02:14] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: anyway, thanks for the time. One last question: If I understood correctly, crimsun will be back in 90 ? do you think he could help with this ? / on the KDE/GNOME: i know that, hence the smiley
[02:14] <kal> here is the reported bug, my first one
[02:14] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: I think he is the alsa maintainer for ubuntu so he should be able to help
[02:14] <FlameBird> its decided
[02:14] <FlameBird> Ubuntu it is
[02:14] <minimec> FlameBird: ;)
[02:14] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: cool. thanks again for the time.
[02:15] <frandavid100> hi
[02:15] <frandavid100> where can I get the latest build of feisty?
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> cdimages.ubuntu.com irrc
[02:16] <dystopianray> frandavid100: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:17] <ores>  does anyone have any ideas why my keyboard stops working properly after i login? it only registers keypresses with X if i hold the key down for about a second
[02:18] <frandavid100> thanks dystopianray!
[02:18] <dystopianray> ores: is it wireless?
[02:19] <frandavid100> bye!
[02:19] <ores> no, its built into the laptop
[02:19] <ores> its only in that session that it has the problem
[02:19] <ores> gdm is fine, console is fine
[02:26] <anees> hi...i want to upgrade my ubuntu to fiesty..anybody help me plz
[02:27] <_4strO> anees: your on edgy ?
[02:29] <RAOF> !upgrade | anees
[02:29] <ubotu> anees: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:29] <anees> i m using ubuntu
[02:29] <anees> kde desktop
[02:30] <Pici> anees: See ubotu's message above
[02:41] <valehru> for the default nvidia drivers restricted is there GLSL support?
[02:42] <dystopianray> valehru: yes
[02:42] <valehru> dystopianray, hey again, how can I tell if I have it enabled?
[02:42] <RAOF> Well, actually, that depends on the card.
[02:42] <dystopianray> valehru: it's a feature of OpenGL 2.0 isn't it?
[02:42] <dystopianray> valehru: the nvidia drivers should do up to OpenGL 2.1
[02:42] <valehru> not sure, the guys in #winehq are going on about it..
[02:43] <valehru> I have 6600GT
[02:43] <valehru> How can I tell what nvidia drivers I am using ?
[02:43] <dystopianray> valehru: oh, you have to specifically enable GLSL support in wine
[02:43] <RAOF> That'll support vertex/pixel shaders.
[02:43] <dystopianray> valehru: dmesg | grep -i nvidia
[02:43] <valehru> dystopianray, how do I do that?
[02:43] <dystopianray> valehru: I don't know ask in #winehq
[02:45] <valehru> hmm...Im getting
 Enverex: by still nothing, i mean.. no such directory crap
 Jaikkanen, I mean typing "Pro" and then hitting tab will auto-complete the damn URL for you
 Jaikkanen, Please join your distro channel and ask them how to use the terminal
[02:45] <valehru> ahh...soz
[02:45] <valehru> sorry
[02:45] <dystopianray> hehe, how embarrasing it would be if that guy was talking to you
[02:45] <valehru> meant to post this: [   62.721836]  **WARNING** I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA i2c adapter 2 at 5:00.0]  fo
[02:45] <valehru> lol...
[02:45] <valehru> not talking to me at all....
[02:46] <valehru> thank hell...I have a bit more confidence in my skillz than that
[02:46] <valehru> [   62.721836]  **WARNING** I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA i2c adapter 2 at 5:00.0]  forgot to specify physical device; fix it!
[02:46] <valehru> theres the full paste...soz
[02:46] <valehru> seems a bit weird
[02:47] <dystopianray> valehru: that shouldn't have anything to do with GLSL
[02:48] <valehru> dystopianray, I realise that....thats what was coming from dmesg | grep -i nvidia
[02:48] <dystopianray> valehru: should get something like this: [17179586.116000]  NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module  1.0-8776  Mon Oct 16 21:56:04 PDT 2006
[02:48] <dystopianray> see I am using 8776
[02:48] <valehru> I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA i2c adapter 2 at 5:00.0]  forgot to specify physical device; fix it!
[02:48] <valehru> loading NVIDIA Linux x86_64 Kernel Module  1.0-9631  Thu Nov  9 17:35:27 PST 2006
[02:49] <dystopianray> valehru: you have driver 9631
[02:51] <dystopianray> valehru: nvidia supply tools to provide software GLSL if your hardware can't do it, although maybe only on windows
[02:51] <valehru> dystopianray, must look into it..
[02:51] <dystopianray> valehru: http://developer.nvidia.com/object/nvemulate.html
[02:54] <dystopianray> valehru: 6600 should support OpenGL 2.0 and do GLSL with no problems
[02:55] <Ace2016> Hi all
[02:55] <Ace2016>  anyone know how i can turn my current running system with all its packages into a live CD?
[02:55] <dystopianray> Ace2016: including your current home and all your config?
[02:55] <Ace2016> yup, just the configs
[02:56] <Ace2016> but i really want this selection of packages
[02:57] <Ace2016> i have the space to build a live dvd so thats ok too
[02:57] <dystopianray> Ace2016: there was some google project i think that was a program that can modify ubuntu livecds with no packages and settings
[02:57] <AdministratorX> Check out Live Linux CDs on Amazon.com
[02:57] <Ace2016> why?
[02:57] <Ace2016> dystopianray: interesting
[02:58] <Ace2016> AdministratorX: is that a book?
[02:58] <ReyDelSillon> ubuntu 6.10 edgy.
[02:58] <AdministratorX> Yes
[02:58] <ReyDelSillon> I recently instaled ubuntu on my satadisk. the satadisk has another partition with the xp OS. as far i can see the partition is mounted but inside the disk theres only 1 folder named "lost+found" and no files. How can i access the partition and rescue some important files?
[02:58] <AdministratorX> About making Live CDs
[02:58] <dystopianray> Ace2016: http://code.google.com/p/reconstructor/
[02:58] <Ace2016> AdministratorX: thanks
[02:58] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: that is the partition
[02:59] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: the drive has an empty partition with no files
[02:59] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: or you mean, access the windows partition?
[02:59] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: lost+found is in the linux partition
[02:59] <ReyDelSillon> oh man im so confused with all these new terms. :)
[02:59] <Ace2016> dystopianray: do you think it could use kde as the desktop instead>#
[02:59] <Ace2016> ?
[02:59] <dystopianray> Ace2016: it's just ubuntu with kde, I don't see why not
[02:59] <ReyDelSillon> please take my hand and guide me trough.
[03:00] <ReyDelSillon> the only thing i need is to rescue some papers for the university from that partition.
[03:00] <dystopianray> Ace2016: becuase the livecd works very differently from your hdd install
[03:01] <dystopianray> Ace2016: unless you have your system configured to use ramdisks and to autoconfigure X on boot and all the other things the livecd does
[03:01] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: you're mounting the wrong partition
[03:02] <ReyDelSillon> hm... how do i mount the correct one? i got an terminal open and im root. (the only thing i know how do to in a terminal btw.)
[03:02] <Ace2016> dystopianray: don't want x to be reconfigured on boot, i'm the only one who is going to use it
[03:03] <Ace2016> well forget the live cd idea,
[03:03] <Ace2016> how do i create an apt cd with all the packages that i have installed right now
[03:03] <Ace2016> the system is extremely stable and i want to preserve it as it is
[03:04] <dystopianray> Ace2016: backup the partition onto a dvd and restore it next time you want to use it
[03:04] <Ace2016> dystopianray: too large to back up like that, just want to keep this set of packages
[03:05] <dystopianray> Ace2016: how large is it? put it on 2 dvds
[03:05] <tapas_> xlock so doesn't work anymore on ubuntu ;)
[03:05] <tapas_> ah i know why..
[03:05] <dystopianray> Ace2016: or removeable drive
[03:05] <tapas_> because i told kde to allow drawing in the root window
[03:05] <tapas_> [or so i think. checking] 
[03:06] <tapas_> yep that's it..
[03:06] <Ace2016> the kde screensaver never works for some reason
[03:06] <ReyDelSillon> hm... how do i mount the correct one? i got an terminal open and im root. (the only thing i know how do to in a terminal btw.) -seems like you did oversee me ;)
[03:07] <dfgas_> stupid question, but how do i get the games menu to split the games in the kind of games or do i have to do this manually
[03:08] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: run 'fdisk -l' see which partition is a windows one and mount it
[03:08] <dystopianray> dfgas_: manually
[03:08] <dfgas_> darn
[03:08] <dfgas_> heh
[03:09] <dystopianray> dfgas_: or edit the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and put it in a subfolder or group or whatever gnome wants
[03:10] <ReyDelSillon> http://pastebin.ca/442749
[03:11] <Ace2016> dude, it doesn't look like you have a windows partition
[03:11] <Ace2016> anymore...
[03:11] <ReyDelSillon> i havent formated or changed that partition. that im sure of.
[03:11] <dystopianray> /dev/sdb1   *           1        3936     1007600    e  W95 FAT16 (LBA)
[03:11] <dystopianray> i that was the one that was formatted, then windows is gone
[03:12] <Ace2016> sdb looks like a usb pen to me
[03:12] <dystopianray> oh yeah
[03:12] <ReyDelSillon> sdb is an usb pen. yes
[03:12] <dystopianray> i didn't notice it was so small
[03:12] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: you have no windows partition there
[03:12] <valehru> hmm, from the console wine always looks for the path to the wine file in  /usr/local/bin/wine but its actually in /usr/bin/wine  how can I change it?
[03:13] <ReyDelSillon> i haven messed with the partition at all.
[03:13] <Ace2016> valehru: just create a symlink that should work
[03:13] <ReyDelSillon> no tool so i can check? or something?
[03:13] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: there is no partition
[03:13] <Ace2016> ReyDelSillon: when you installed k/ubuntu how did you tell it to partition the disk?
[03:13] <valehru> Ace2016, sudo ln -s  /usr/bin/wine /usr/local/bin/wine
[03:13] <valehru> something like that?
[03:13] <Ace2016> yea
[03:14] <dystopianray> Ace2016: does /usr/local/bin/wine exist?
[03:14] <valehru> Ace2016, cool thx
[03:14] <ReyDelSillon> manually. i left the big part of the disck whit no "/"symbol and un checked the format box.
[03:15] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: how many partitions are you supposed to have?
[03:15] <ReyDelSillon> 3. swap ext3 and the ntfs....
[03:15] <ReyDelSillon> +1 de usb pen.
[03:15] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: pastebin the result of: $ sudo blkid /dev/sda*
[03:16] <ReyDelSillon> http://pastebin.ca/442759
[03:17] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: ok, looks like your windows partition was formatted
[03:17] <ReyDelSillon> oh man ive lost everything on that disk, right?
[03:17] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: I thought you said earlier that it only had lost+found was on there
[03:17] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: not a bit deal, just restore your backup
[03:17] <ReyDelSillon> well. when i open the sda1 disk it has 1 folder
[03:18] <ReyDelSillon> the lost +fund one.
[03:18] <ReyDelSillon> how do i restore?
[03:18] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: how did you backup your files?
[03:18] <ReyDelSillon> i havent backup anything.
[03:18] <Ace2016> oh
[03:18] <Ace2016> ...
[03:18] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: then they weren't very important
[03:19] <ReyDelSillon> first time i installed ubuntu it failed and grub messed up the xp boot sequence
[03:19] <ReyDelSillon> then i reinstaled and im using it now.
[03:19] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: well your files are gone
[03:20] <ReyDelSillon> oh man....
[03:20] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: you may be able to recover some of them, but that is outside of the scope of this channel
[03:20] <ReyDelSillon> ok ok. where can i find that info?
[03:20] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: you should have kept a backup and shouldn't be playing with beta software with important data
[03:20] <Ace2016> important files?
[03:20] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: I don't know
[03:20] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: #windows maybe?
[03:21] <LastMall> this what needs testing ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[03:21] <ReyDelSillon> got some final version of some papers to the university. loads of photos and such.
[03:21] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: some is gone, some might be recoverable
[03:21] <ReyDelSillon> ive have to return to some early files of the papers. urg. the editing is gonna take me another week to comeplte.
[03:21] <ReyDelSillon> ok. thanks for the help anywawys.
[03:21] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: well i hope you've learnt to backup your data
[03:21] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: it's your own fault this happened
[03:22] <ReyDelSillon> hehe
[03:22] <IdleOne> ReyDelSillon, I havent seen the entire convo here but from what I can see is that you have no backups of your files and the partition the files are supposed to be on has been formatted.. you lost everything Im sorry to say
[03:22] <Hobbsee> LastMall:
[03:22] <Hobbsee> LastMall: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023579.html
[03:22] <dystopianray> IdleOne: formatting doesn't write to the entire disk, so some areas might be recoverable with the correct tools
[03:23] <IdleOne> dystopianray, not something that can be done easy
[03:23] <ReyDelSillon> i nefver have thopught that linux was so agressive formating partitions ive not asked to format...... i guess i have tosearch the web for some recovery tool thing.
[03:23] <dystopianray> IdleOne: hehe, well that's true
[03:23] <LastMall> Hobbsee  well yeah, I read that.  I can assume the daily build dated yesterday is the right one tho ?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> LastMall: yes
[03:23] <ReyDelSillon> idleone. any ieas where i can start looking for such a tool?
[03:24] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: it doesn't overwrite windows by default, you made a mistake during the partition setup and you shouldn' be using beta software with important data
[03:24] <IdleOne> ReyDelSillon, ubuntu is not aggresive when it comes to formatting. it did ask you if you wanted to and you accepted, probably without reading before hand... Windows users tend to just hit next...
[03:24] <ReyDelSillon> if i can recsue part of the files i would be happy.
[03:24] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: try google
[03:24] <ReyDelSillon> no no. i was carefull not messing with the partition.
[03:25] <ReyDelSillon> im trying to remember what could have been gone wrong.
[03:25] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon  for a free app, look at http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[03:25] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: well, if you can reproduce this behaviour file a bug report
[03:25] <IdleOne> ReyDelSillon, search for file recovery tools
[03:25] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: but I highly suspect you made an error
[03:26] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon with alot of luck you could use that and find the old partition and restore it maybe.
[03:26] <ReyDelSillon> yeah i probably did. just dont call me a un-reading windows user :P
[03:26] <dystopianray> LastMall: the partition is not lost, it has been formatted
[03:27] <LastMall> i've formatted and then restored the previous partition before.
[03:27] <ReyDelSillon> how lastmall?
[03:29] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: to start with, unmount the partition and don't write anything to it
[03:29] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[03:29] <aaroncampbell> That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.  What can I do to get rid of it?
[03:29] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon testdisk should be able to do it if anything can.  I have paid app I'd normally use.
[03:30] <Ace2016> ReyDelSillon: this looks good http://www.z-a-recovery.com/unformat-tutorial.htm
[03:30] <ReyDelSillon> i gotta go. my wife is waiting. I BE BACK
[03:30] <ReyDelSillon> im taking notes of the names
[03:30] <ReyDelSillon> and files
[03:30] <ReyDelSillon> and such
[03:30] <ReyDelSillon> thanks
[03:30] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon  I have this http://www.recovermyfiles.com/recover-my-files-screenshot.php
[03:31] <dystopianray> Ace2016: that app seems to only recover images unless you buy it
[03:31] <Ace2016> oh wait a sec
[03:32] <Ace2016> if he is in linux now and the recovery apps run on linux...
[03:32] <Ace2016> i mean the recovery apps run in windows...
[03:32] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon  its' FastFormatRecover I've had success with.  But not everytime by any means.  Its a case by case thing. Depends on lots of factors.
[03:32] <gils> have there been no updates today yet/?
[03:32] <Ace2016> won't he have to reinstall windows?
[03:32] <dystopianray> Ace2016: or use wine
[03:32] <dystopianray> Ace2016: or put the disk in another machine
[03:32] <Ace2016> dystopianray: good idea
[03:33] <Ace2016> another machine is best option
[03:33] <dystopianray> LastMall: do you hve to purchase it to use it's functionality?
[03:33] <LastMall> dystopianray  recovermyfiles ?  you bet.
[03:33] <Ace2016> i wish i could recover my files, i have got to stop running dban when i format my drives
[03:33] <LastMall> dystopianray  testdisk is free tho http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download
[03:33] <dystopianray> LastMall: heh, he's not going to like that i can imagine
[03:33] <dystopianray> LastMall: I thought testdisk only recovers the partition table?
[03:33] <ViennaLi2ux> openvpn is missing in feisty repository ???
[03:34] <LastMall> all they're doing is finding a previous partition and restoring it/its information
[03:34] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: it's there
[03:34] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: in universe
[03:34] <ViennaLi2ux> really .. wait ill check again
[03:34] <dystopianray> LastMall: it can restore the filesystem too?
[03:35] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: i have at.ubuntu.... feisty universe in my sources.list but there is no openvpn .. maybe at mirror is not synced?
[03:36] <LastMall> dystopianray  yeah, everything.  just like you never did the most recent format. But its case by case and doesn't work everytime.  But if/when it works it sure beats trying to recover individual files.
[03:36] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: i mean mirror for Austriy - AT
[03:36] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: have you run apt-get update?
[03:36] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: yes without problems
[03:36] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: what universe url do you use
[03:36] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: tell me yours and i will update and look again
[03:37] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[03:37] <aaroncampbell> That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.  What can I do to get rid of it?
[03:37] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: I don't have feisty
[03:37] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: I saw it here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/openvpn
[03:37] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: ohhh :-)
[03:37] <ViennaLi2ux> okay i will try other mirror wait
[03:38] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: you can download the deb from that site
[03:38] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon  what you'd need is a live cd I imagine. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Livecd
[03:38] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: well knowing me i would just compile something, and use checkinstall to make a package, give it the same name as the package you want to remove and allow it to try and install, see if it displaces the one you want to remove, then uninstall the replacement
[03:39] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: LOL at.ubuntu is NOT complete !!! with de.ubuntu i can now install openvpn
[03:40] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: what country is at?
[03:40] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: wow...I wouldn't really know where to start on that
[03:40] <aaroncampbell> Unfortunately, it is looking more and more like I need to switch to Fedora.  It seems that a LOT more companies support .rpm than .deb :|
[03:41] <dystopianray> aaroncampbell: you can install rpms on ubuntu
[03:41] <ROnewbie> crimsun: are you around ?
[03:41] <dystopianray> !alien
[03:41] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:41] <crimsun> ROnewbie: yes
[03:41] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray: that didn't work on this rpm
[03:41] <ROnewbie> I could use some help with my audio, I'm struggling with it for about 2 weeks now
[03:41] <dystopianray> aaroncampbell: really?
[03:41] <ROnewbie> in feisty
[03:42] <ROnewbie> but unfortunately I have to leave right now, be back in 2-3 hours
[03:42] <ROnewbie> crimsun: can I still find you here ?
[03:42] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray: well, that's not true...it "worked" (my printer worked), but it had a similar problem...it acted "stuck" and I couldn't get any updates until I removed it
[03:42] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: don't go to fedora, their repos were in a mess
[03:42] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: i think they still are
[03:43] <LastMall> i'm liking mepis alot
[03:43] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: well, I'm going to be stuck with no chioce.  I've been functioning without a printer since Friday, and I've had no help from any of the channels here...I don't know where else to go.  The only package I have to install on my own (this printer package) is offered as an RPM
[03:43] <ROnewbie> crimsun: so will you still be here in about 2,5 hours ?
[03:44] <sharperguy> erm I have a minor confizzlement
[03:44] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: so convert it to a deb using alien
[03:45] <Ace2016> whats the name of the printer and package name
[03:45] <lazka> dystopianray: at is austria...
[03:45] <Ace2016> confizzlement????
[03:45] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: at = Austria --> Center Europe (Vienna is Capitol)
[03:45] <sharperguy> The restriced manager says the nVidia binary driver, and the nVidia binary _legacy_ driver are installed and enabled
[03:45] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: I tried...it "worked" (my printer worked), but it had a similar problem...it acted "stuck" and I couldn't get any updates until I removed it
[03:45] <sharperguy> how is that possible?
[03:45] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: oh of course and I know where austria is
[03:45] <crimsun> ROnewbie: I'm here /now/ . I can't speak for in 2,5 hours, since I'm traveling.
[03:45] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: its south of germany and east of switzerland :-)
[03:45] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: Konica Minolta 2430DL
[03:45] <sharperguy> besides my card shouldnt need the legacy driver
[03:45] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: yes I am familiar with european geography just not all the country codes
[03:45] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: package: magicolor2430dl
[03:46] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: where are you from?
[03:46] <ROnewbie> crimsun: well, at least I'll try
[03:46] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: australia
[03:46] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: uh nice ...
[03:46] <ROnewbie> crimsun: thanks anyway
[03:46] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: whats the countrycode of australia by the way`?
[03:46] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: au
[03:46] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: ah right ...
[03:48] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: you could compile the driver from source http://www.openprinting.org/download/printing/konicaminolta/
[03:48] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: I tried....that's what I'm getting this error with
[03:49] <aaroncampbell> Quote: That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.
[03:49] <finalbeta> Omg, in 2 minutes I crashed firefox twice, and now Rhythmbox.
[03:50] <finalbeta> Jeez, this is horrible.
[03:50] <aaroncampbell> I tried to build it into a .deb like this: sudo dpkg-buildpackage -b
[03:51] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: so its installed and not removable
[03:51] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: and i'm guessing its not woking since you want to remove it
[03:51] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: that's the error I gave that started all this:
[03:51] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[03:52] <aaroncampbell> When I try to remove, I get the same error
[03:52] <aaroncampbell> When I try to purge, I get Errors were encountered while processing: magicolor2430dl
[03:53] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: what do you mean you can't find the archive for it?
[03:53] <aaroncampbell> That's the error...moe *I* as in me, but *I* as in the program that was running (apt-get)
[03:54] <aaroncampbell> s/moe/not
[03:54] <aaroncampbell> I have no Idea how I typed moe instead of not...
[03:55] <Ace2016>   do you still have the deb file you made from the rpm?
[03:55] <Ace2016> reinstall from that
[03:55] <aaroncampbell> I don't, but I could rebuild it real quick...I still have the rpm
[03:55] <Ace2016> then do that and install it, then remove it, that should work
[03:59] <noget> hey there could anybody tell me how i would make ubuntu bootable again, after i installed winXP on another partition on the same laptop?
[03:59] <Pici> !grub
[03:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:00] <Pici> noget: See the link above
[04:00] <noget> oi, tanks alot :D
[04:05] <dystopianray> noget: basically you just chroot in from the livecd and run $ sudo grub-install --no-floppy /dev/blah
[04:06] <dystopianray> noget: replacing /dev/blah with the devic you want to install grub on
[04:13] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: did it work?
[04:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[04:23] <sponge_bob>  I still have to type in 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' after the computer boots to get my wireless up
[04:23] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: so it works?
[04:23] <sponge_bob>  I am just wondering if there is a way to have this automated
[04:23] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: put 'ndiswrapper' on a new line in /etc/modules
[04:23] <sponge_bob> yes the wireless now works
[04:24] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: sorry, got called away from my desk right after I ran the install command...checking now
[04:24] <BluesKaj> what about fstab
[04:24] <BluesKaj> what about fstab ?
[04:24] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, but I now I have to type sudo modprobe ndiswrapper in console everytime I want my wireless up
[04:25] <sponge_bob> ok
[04:25] <BluesKaj> oops , repeating myself ...in my old age
[04:25] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: yes I know, so put 'ndiswrapper' on a new line in /etc/modules
[04:25] <gils> have there been no updates today?
[04:25] <sponge_bob> ok
[04:25] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: i would have told you that earlier but you disappeared
[04:25] <slytherin> BluesKaj: what about it? what is your question?
[04:25] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, no worry....I really appreciate your help
[04:26] <BluesKaj> ndiswrapper in fstab ?
[04:26] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: Actually, it looks like it may have installed ok this time...maybe I don't need to remove it. How can I check to make sure it has no problems?
[04:27] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: fstab has nothing to do with kernel modules
[04:27] <gils> where have all the updates gone????
[04:27] <dystopianray> gils: when did you last recieve an update?
[04:27] <gils> not since yesterday afternoon?
[04:27] <slytherin> gils: what was the package that you updated last?
[04:28] <dystopianray> gils: that isn't a very long time, there probably haven't been any updates, feisty is approaching release
[04:28] <noget> could anybody tell me how to remove/uninstall a program installed with the ./install command?
[04:28] <BluesKaj> kernel module = devices as well then
[04:28] <slytherin> noget: what is ./install? never heard of it.
[04:28] <dystopianray> noget: /usr/bin/install ?
[04:28] <noget> slytherin: in installed matlab from dvd with that command
[04:28] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: which fstab has nothing to do with
[04:29] <aaroncampbell> noget: that would be something that depends on the package...since ./install means you ran a  script supplied by that package
[04:29] <BluesKaj> it comes with some self extracting deb files
[04:29] <gils> yes i figured its reaching that plateau.....i am not sure the last update was. I had the .15 kernel modules and then i think i had an update for the update manager
[04:29] <slytherin> gils: Then it is fine. I don't know if there has been an update after that.
[04:29] <noget> aaroncampbell: ok
[04:29] <gils> cool
[04:30] <dystopianray> gils: you can see all the updates here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/date.html
[04:30] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: what do you mean check to make sure it has no problems?
[04:30] <BluesKaj> dystopianray, it's odd cuz someone was giving that advice here recently about wireless configs
[04:30] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: print a test page
[04:30] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: well that shouldn't have involved fstab
[04:30] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: I just wanted to see that it was properly installed, and not "stuck" again
[04:30] <gils> i sure am glad they fixed that nasty 14 kernel....holly moses...i had for a second considered rebooting into my rarely visited XP partition
[04:31] <BluesKaj> okok , i'm not arguing with you , lighten up will you
[04:31] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: There was something someone had me run before that listed 1 package as not properly installed...I'm looking through history to see if I recognize it
[04:31] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: hey i'm not arguing either, just saying that fstab is something else entirely :S
[04:31] <kothz> Hrm - anyone see a whack of unauthenticated packages in the feisty update list this morning?
[04:31] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: do apt-get update, you said that running it before gave an error, if its installed properly then the update might be fine
[04:31] <gils> has anyone here ever gotten a sony Minidisc working in ubuntu? with the sony software
[04:31] <sharperguy> whats the deal with feisty-commercial at the moment?
[04:32] <dystopianray> gils: software might work with wine
[04:32] <BluesKaj> well, why don't you tell me then , dystopianray?
[04:32] <BluesKaj> what is fstab supposed to do?
[04:32] <slytherin> gils: mini disc or mini disc player?
[04:32] <dystopianray> !fstab
[04:32] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[04:33] <slytherin> BluesKaj: fstab provides mount points for different devices/partitions (internal mostly)
[04:33] <gils> MD player/recorder. You know the Sony MD.....what am i the only person over 30 here :-)
[04:33] <dystopianray> gils: what is the software called?
[04:33] <gils> Sony sonicstage
[04:33] <slytherin> gils: Doesn't Rhythmbox support it?
[04:33] <gils> nope.
[04:33] <gils> nevermind.
[04:34] <dystopianray> gils: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1701
[04:34] <BluesKaj> thx , slytherin
[04:34] <slytherin> all Sony softwares s**k bigtime
[04:34] <dystopianray> slytherin: would need atrac3 support i imagine
[04:35] <slytherin> dystopianray: That, when rhythmbox at least identifies the player. And By the way, I don't think ATTRAC3 existed when Sony started MD players.
[04:35] <dystopianray> slytherin: I thought atrac3 was what made MD possible?
[04:36] <dystopianray> slytherin: oh, atrac1
[04:36] <slytherin> dystopianray: Don't think so. Not sure anyway.
[04:36] <dystopianray> slytherin: according to wikipedia
[04:36] <gils> ATRAC3 was an improvement of the ATRAC codec both developed by Sony
[04:37] <`sam`> what are MD are they like mini dvd's?
[04:37] <gils> i have been using MD and ATRAC for over 15 years now
[04:37] <dystopianray> `sam`: they're like mini dvd-ram, they have a plastic enclosure, they're from 1991
[04:37] <gils> sam: they are like mini dvds in a hard shell....was very popular in europe during mid 90's
[04:37] <gils> and asia
[04:38] <`sam`> ok yeah i've seen those before
[04:38] <BluesKaj> see this is what turns ppl off computers ...files and executions of those files don't use terms that ppl can understand ...why wouldn't the file be called 'mntd partitons&drives"...fstab tells new users nothing
[04:38] <dystopianray> there is an atrac3 patch for ffmpeg floating around on ffmpeg's mailing list
[04:38] <dystopianray> to allow playback of atrac3 content on linux
[04:38] <`sam`> does anybody know much about mini-dvd's? can you use those in anything besides the camcorder your recrod them with?
[04:39] <gils> oh yes. ATRAC3 compatibility has been available in linux for quite some time.....
[04:39] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: most of the naming conventations date back to the 70s and 80s from original unix implementations
[04:39] <gils> that is not my problem...i need to interface my player with linux..///
[04:39] <dystopianray> gils: it has been?
[04:39] <dystopianray> gils: I thought it was one of those crazy proprietary formats that nothing but sony's software could play?
[04:39] <BluesKaj> to me it sounds deliberately arcane ...that's my rant for the day :)
[04:40] <gils> no man i remember downloading old Atrac ACM codecs for back in windows 98
[04:40] <dystopianray> `sam`: open your dvd-rom drive it should have a smaller circle within the larger one that is the same size as a mini-dvd
[04:40] <`sam`> oh cool, i've seen that but never knew i mini-dvd's would work in it
[04:40] <gils> ATRAC is a great codec. sony still use it
[04:41] <gils> Sam: its not exactly a mini-dvd. its not the same thing.
[04:41] <dystopianray> gils: they only use it becuase they own it
[04:41] <slytherin> dystopianray: he he, how many crazy proprietary formats exist today that can't be played with Free software. ;-)
[04:42] <dystopianray> slytherin: wma3, realmedia, qualcomm voice
[04:42] <gils> well ofcourse they use it becuase the own it. that doesnt say much.
[04:42] <gils> the good thing about ATRAC and ATRAC3 is that at low bit rates they sound far superior then most things i have heard
[04:43] <cypherdelic> Please Help:
[04:43] <cypherdelic> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[04:43] <cypherdelic>   wengophone: Hngt ab: libqt4-core (>= 4.2.2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[04:43] <cypherdelic>               Hngt ab: libqt4-gui (>= 4.2.2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[04:43] <cypherdelic> E: Kaputte Pakete
[04:43] <cypherdelic> how to install wengophone in feisty
[04:44] <slytherin> dystopianray: I think ffmpeg now supports wma/wmv
[04:44] <gils> i have gone through several mp3 players.....playing oggs, aac, etc....i have yet to come across a compressed format that sounds as good as ATRAC
[04:44] <dystopianray> slytherin: it has supported wma1 and 2 for years, but wma3 it does not
[04:44] <dystopianray> slytherin: but it does support wmv3/vc-1 now :)
[04:44] <dystopianray> although wmv is only good for porn
[04:44] <gils> but ofcourse to use atrac on a sony portable player you are stuck with their crappy software
[04:44] <Trewas> there's a listening test for few codecs at 128kbps in http://www.rjamorim.com/test/multiformat128/results.html and atrac3 is the last of the tested codecs/encoders
[04:45] <concept10> cypherdelic, do you have those dependencies installed?
[04:45] <slytherin> cypherdelic: any specific need for wengophone?
[04:45] <slytherin> dystopianray: I haven't yet come across a good quality video in WMV. May be the encoders s**k
[04:45] <concept10> to, uh, maybe use it?
[04:45] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: Thanks for the help, updates work, and so does my printer
[04:45] <aaroncampbell> I really appreciate it
[04:45] <dystopianray> slytherin: they're probably just very low bitrates designed for easy online distribution or streaming
[04:46] <gils> the atrac comparison to 128 mp3 is at 132kbps which in my opinion is far superior then eve ogg files at much higher rates
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Welcome to #ubuntu+1 - the support channel for feisty | For dapper/edgy support, see #ubuntu | Release candidate needs testing - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023579.html | Release date is the week of April 19 | Kernel is fixed - Update to -15 if you havent already
[04:46] <dystopianray> Hobbsee: what did you change?
[04:47] <concept10> This release isnt close to done
[04:47] <`sam`> i don't see anything different in the topic now
[04:47] <dystopianray> concept10: what is wrong with it?
[04:47] <slytherin> `sam`: +1
[04:49] <concept10> I bet anyone, _anyone_ that when people start upgrading edgy->feisty, there will be at a minimum 2000 complaints in the news, blogosphere, etc
[04:49] <dm> i love how all the nvidia "HOW  TO " guides for feisty are just like " just enable it in the repos" too bad that DOESNT WORK FOR ALL OF US
[04:50] <shirish> ok guys what is MTA & how do I configure it?
[04:50] <slytherin> concept10: complaints about what?
[04:50] <shirish> MTA = (Mail Transport Agent) is all I know about it
[04:50] <concept10> slytherin, botched upgrades
[04:50] <slytherin> shirish: MTA is mail transfer agent. May be you need to install postfix or sendmail
[04:50] <slytherin> concept10: I haven't seen any.
[04:50] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to view info about a .deb without installing it?  (stuff like who compiled it, or notes on it, etc)
[04:50] <shirish> slytherin: hi there, cool evening
[04:51] <dystopianray> aaroncampbell: try dpkg -I blah.deb
[04:51] <concept10> aaroncampbell, apt-cache show <package>
[04:51] <shirish> slytherin: ok which of the two is  better, reliable, un-intrusive?
[04:51] <dystopianray> shirish: i like sendmail, but it is a monster
[04:52] <finalbeta> For crying out load, Openoffice still crashes when pasting from firefox. This was reported months ago.
[04:52] <dystopianray> finalbeta: only on feisty?
[04:52] <finalbeta> 5thnx crash, 3th app crashing today.
[04:52] <concept10> slytherin, You havent seen any?  You have'nt been looking
[04:52] <slytherin> shirish: sendmail is hard to configure I think. But I haven't used any of them much
[04:52] <finalbeta> dystopianray: on feisty yes.
[04:52] <dystopianray> finalbeta: what were you pasting? text? graphics?
[04:53] <finalbeta> both
[04:53] <dystopianray> finalbeta: only occurs with firefox?
[04:53] <finalbeta> half a page, 2 images, text around it
[04:53] <finalbeta> dystopianray: as far as I can see, yes.
[04:53] <dystopianray> finalbeta: does this happen with specific versions of the software?
[04:53] <dystopianray> finalbeta: when did it first start happening?
[04:54] <finalbeta> It didn't happen the second time I tried it.
[04:54] <`Matir> finalbeta, can you provide a URL on which it occurs?  I just tested with no problems
[04:54] <finalbeta> dystopianray: I just did it, so it's the first time OO crashed, Flash made firefox crash 2 times already, and rhythmbox crashed once oin the last half hour.
[04:54] <finalbeta> http://www.fitness-island.com/oefeningen/bovenbuik1.shtml
[04:54] <dystopianray> finalbeta: have you tried running memtest?
[04:55] <dystopianray> finalbeta: repeated unexplained crashes sounds like a hardware problem
[04:55] <shirish> slytherin: ok have it installed, but the configuration seems to be hard to understand.
[04:55] <slytherin> finalbeta: don't know about FF and OOo, but rhythmbox hasn't crashed for me for ages. :-)
[04:55] <slytherin> shirish: installed what? postfix or sendmail?
[04:56] <shirish> slytherin: postfix, I am stuck at which type of configuation, it gives me 4 options
[04:56] <dystopianray> shirish: if you want to see hard to understand configuration try sendmail :)
[04:56] <slytherin> shirish: Will catch you later. Going home from office, don't want to get caught in rain. :-)
[04:56] <finalbeta> dystopianray: it's not my memory. flash 9 crashes firefox on a regular basis because flash wants to talk to card 0,0 and if that one doesn't exist, it goes nutty, I have no sound and after a whiole it crashes firefox. Rhythmbox crashes on specific songs for me. I reported a few, but gave up since it got ignored. It's due to gstreamer that one. Can't actually use GStreamer because of a known bug that lags video on my chipset. so bleh. b
[04:56] <finalbeta> ugbugsbugs
[04:56] <shirish> slytherin: sure, although don't think rain will be there.
[04:57] <dystopianray> finalbeta: ok, can you provide samples of these songs which cause the crashes? can you legally redistribute them?
[04:57] <shirish> dystopianray: can u help me in configuring postfix? I just want to have an MTA so I can send outgoing mails from this stand-along computer
[04:57] <dystopianray> finalbeta: is it only rythmbox that crashes?
[04:57] <dystopianray> shirish: sorry I don't know how, I've only used sendmail
[04:57] <finalbeta> dystopianray: not legally.
[04:57] <finalbeta> dystopianray: firefox is all I use to play them.
[04:57] <finalbeta> Ehm, Rhythmbox
[04:58] <shirish> anybody here knows postfix?
[04:58] <dystopianray> shirish: what 4 options is it giving you?
[04:58] <shirish> dystopianray: in a moment please
[04:58] <dystopianray> finalbeta: what video chipset do you have?
[04:59] <finalbeta> dystopianray: here how to crash Rhyhmbox fast, got multimedia keys on the keyboard, press next 10 times and then go back a few songs really fast. crash guarantied.
[04:59] <shirish> dystopianray: its actually 5 here we go
[04:59] <dystopianray> shirish: if you're thinking of pasting them in here, don't. pastebin them instead
[05:00] <dystopianray> finalbeta: only happens with multimedia keys? or if you do the skips manually?
[05:00] <shirish> dystopianray: no configuration, (cancel that) , internet site (cancel that) , internet with smarthost (don't know) , satellite system (cancel that) , local only (don't know) I guess
[05:00] <dystopianray> shirish: what do you mean 'cancel that' ?
[05:00] <LordKeiden> finalbeta, if you could be confident that you would get it back, a legal way to get the file to someone is to send it to them and delete it from you system. That is not redistrubution, it is giving it away. When they are done with it, they send it back to you, and delete it from their system. Kind of a pita, but it keeps things legit. This is only true if the file only exists digitally. HTH
[05:01] <shirish> dystopianray: I mean i think they should not be considered, although those are the 5 options.
[05:01] <dystopianray> LordKeiden: are you serious?
[05:01] <finalbeta> dystopianray: pressing next fast using Rhythmbox buttons doesn't crash crash it right away, after pressing it twice Rhythmbox now uses 100% cpu and the interface is frozen.
[05:01] <dystopianray> shirish: what do you want to do with your MTA?
[05:02] <dystopianray> finalbeta: are there any errors relating to it in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[05:02] <shirish> dystopianray: just use it so I can send bugs to debian using their tool reportbug, when I asked on the debian channel , they said it just needs an MTA not a email client
[05:02] <derek_> Hi
[05:02] <finalbeta> dystopianray: fixme:dsound:DSOUND_MixOne problem with underrun detection (mixlen=10368 < primary_done=14824)
[05:02] <dystopianray> finalbeta: that is from wine
[05:03] <finalbeta> dystopianray: ah, then no.
[05:03] <dystopianray> finalbeta: have you filed a bug report on launchpad about this rythmbox problem?
[05:03] <derek_> What is that GUI tool of ATI configuration? Where I can set the gamma values etc. of the three colours using sliders?
[05:03] <dystopianray> finalbeta: is this crash separate from the files that crash it when you play them?
[05:03] <derek_> I had it installed and then removed, now I forgot its name
[05:04] <shirish> dystopianray: any idea m8 what I should configure?
[05:04] <finalbeta> dystopianray: Yes, the crashes when switching songs fast are in-dependant from the crashes on specific songs. i've reported crashes on specific songs before.
[05:05] <dm> how do you stop the X server in feisty?
[05:05] <finalbeta> dystopianray: but if you use Rhytmbox, you can make it crash in several ways and make it do really weird stuff if you use the plugins. I'm sure most of the problems are known and ignored.
[05:05] <dm> nm\
[05:05] <finalbeta> They happen to common.
[05:05] <dystopianray> shirish: i think you need 'satellite system'
[05:05] <derek_> What is that GUI tool of ATI configuration? Where I can set the gamma values etc. of the three colours using sliders?
[05:06] <shirish> dystopianray: why 'satellite system' ?
[05:06] <dystopianray> shirish: becuase you're not running a real mail server you're only forwarding some email to another smtp server
[05:06] <shirish> dystopianray: right ok,
[05:06] <dystopianray> shirish: you won't be recieving mail, only sending
[05:06] <shirish> dystopianray: yup cool
[05:07] <dystopianray> derek_: it might appear in /var/log/dpkg.log if you uninstalled it recently
[05:07] <derek_> I got it. It is called "fglrx-control"
[05:08] <aaroncampbell> thanks dystopianray ...dpkg -I is exactly what I needed
[05:10] <shirish> dystopianray: now I am stuck at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15970/
[05:10] <shirish> I would be using gmail.com so should it be smtp.gmail.com?
[05:10] <dystopianray> "When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination."
[05:11] <dystopianray> shirish: so I imagine you do not need to provide a relayhost
[05:11] <derek_> how to scan for wi-fi networks?
[05:11] <derek_> the command
[05:11] <shirish> dystopianray: ah ok
[05:11] <dystopianray> derek_: iwlist eth1 scan, replacing eth1 with whatever the interface is
[05:12] <derek_> thanks
[05:12] <dystopianray> shirish: I think that's only for when you want to relay mail to another real mail server that you run, like relaying from a workstation to the company's real mail server in a business environment
[05:13] <shirish> dystopianray: right, nothing like that here (thankfully) but good to know it can be (or is) used in enterprise environments also.
[05:14] <derek_> it said No scan results without any delay
[05:14] <derek_> as if it did not scan
[05:14] <dystopianray> shirish: yes it is, apparently over 10% of all mail servers online use postfix
[05:15] <shirish> dystopianray: cool :p
[05:15] <dystopianray> shirish: sendmail is by far the most popular though, it's incredibly powerful, but can be a nightmware to configure
[05:15] <dystopianray> shirish: postfix is based on sendmail
[05:16] <shirish> dystopianray: they just need to have a nice GUI and some good site from where one get a once-over of the GUI (atleast for guys with standalone machines).
[05:16] <derek_> dystopianray,
[05:16] <dystopianray> derek_: are you sure you picked the right interface?
[05:17] <dystopianray> shirish: sendmail's configuration is so complicated that you make an initial config file that is run through m4 to generate another 2000+ line config which is the actual config that sendmail uses
[05:18] <derek_> yes
[05:18] <shirish> dystopianray: lol, it seems we did a mistake there, it needed a relay, posting u the error message in pastebin
[05:18] <dystopianray> derek_: sounds like a driver bug or something
[05:18] <derek_> dystopianray, I saw it using iwconfig
[05:18] <dystopianray> derek_: iwconfig can scan?
[05:18] <derek_> scan? I don't know . I just do "iwconfig" and it lists.
[05:18] <shirish> dystopianray: please look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15971/
[05:19] <dystopianray> derek_: oh you mean you saw the interface in iwconfig
[05:19] <derek_> yes
[05:19] <shirish> dystopianray: apparently, the reportbug application sends the bug-report also to ubuntu-bugs
[05:19] <shirish> dystopianray: and then relays from there
[05:19] <dystopianray> derek_: is this a laptop? does it have one of those keyboard buttons that you need to use to enable it?
[05:19] <dystopianray> shirish: oh i see
[05:20] <derek_> dystopianray, yes , laptop. And that button is ON, and the light is glowing
[05:20] <dystopianray> shirish: I've not used reportbut, i'd not have known
[05:20] <dystopianray> derek_: what wireless chipset is it?
[05:20] <derek_> Broadcom
[05:20] <dystopianray> derek_: are you using bcm43xx or ndiswrapper?
[05:20] <shirish> dystopianray: that's cool, even I am just finding things what work or don't . I do not expect that u know every small application :)
[05:20] <derek_> bcm43xx
[05:20] <shirish> dystopianray: btw, its reportbug not reportbug (lol)
[05:21] <dystopianray> shirish: sorry typo
[05:21] <dystopianray> derek_: try using ndiswrapper, that works much better than bcm43xx
[05:21] <Patizivs> derek: Which Broadcam card you hava?
[05:21] <derek_> dystopianray, for that I need to uninstall bcm43xx first?
[05:21] <valehru> what repo is deluge-torrent in?  Has it been pulled?
[05:21] <dystopianray> derek_: no just blacklist it and unload the module
[05:22] <valehru> derek_, sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:22] <dystopianray> valehru: packages.ubuntu.com says it's only in edgy-backports
[05:22] <valehru> derek_, add the line blacklist bcm43xx
[05:23] <valehru> dystopianray, hmm...now I know I had it running perfectly on feisty before I reinstalled....
[05:23] <derek_> Patizivs, BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller
[05:23] <dystopianray> valehru: it might be packages.ubuntu.com that is wrong though, it doesn't seem to have a lot of recent feisty packages in it's listings
[05:23] <minimec> derek_, dystopianray: try iwlist *yourinterface* scanning ;) iwconfig doesn't scan, but iwlist does ...
[05:24] <Patizivs> derek_:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285809
[05:24] <shirish> dystopianray: ok I am at it again, I did the dpkg-reconfigure postfix which bought up the GUI again (thankfully) now I am at the relayhost. How do I find out about ubuntu. bugs thing?
[05:24] <dystopianray> minimec: i suggested iwlist blah scan but it returned an error
[05:24] <valehru> derek_, did you blacklist the bcm43xx?  and did you add ndiswrapper to the modules?
[05:24] <derek_> valehru, no
[05:24] <valehru> derek_, and did you reboot?
[05:24] <valehru> derek_, they have to be done for it to work
[05:24] <dystopianray> shirish: well i assume that whatever told you to set ubuntu as the relay also told you what host to use
[05:24] <shirish> dystopianray: we do have http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15971/ to go with
[05:24] <derek_> why doesn't the bcm43xx work?
[05:25] <dystopianray> derek_: it's a reverse engineered driver that still has many problems
[05:25] <shirish> dystopianray: I am noob at this as u might have guessed
[05:25] <minimec> dystopianray: Hmmm ... Maybe your wlan driver doesn't support scanning ...
[05:25] <dystopianray> minimec: it's not me it's derek_
[05:25] <valehru> derek_, it does work, but it is half the speed of what ndiswrapper is
[05:25] <dystopianray> minimec: he has bcm43xx and now valehru is taking him through using ndiswrapper instead
[05:25] <valehru> derek_, thats why we recommend ndiswrapper
[05:25] <minimec> dystopianray: I think the atmel driver does not support scanning.
[05:26] <Patizivs> derek_:bcm43xx also needs firmware
[05:26] <derek_> ok
[05:26] <valehru> derek_, I have that same card!
[05:26] <minimec> dystopianray: ok
[05:26] <derek_> I have blacklisted bcm43xx
[05:26] <derek_> now ?
[05:26] <valehru> derek_, ok, next is to add ndiswrapper to the modules
[05:26] <shirish> dystopianray: any ideas?
[05:26] <dystopianray> valehru: that other guy earlier i was helping, his card worked fine with ndiswrapper from the repos
[05:26] <derek_> valehru, tell how. And don't I first need to install ndiswrapper? ;)
[05:26] <dystopianray> shirish: not really, does reportbug have a man page?
[05:26] <shirish> dystopianray: lemme check
[05:26] <Patizivs> derek_: tak a look at that site - there is great RTFM
[05:27] <valehru> derek_, sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[05:27] <valehru> ndiswrapper-common
[05:27] <dystopianray> awesome, feisty now has the latest intel graphics driver
[05:27] <dystopianray> with modesetting
[05:27] <shirish> dystopianray: yup it has a man page, reading it now
[05:28] <valehru> dystopianray, good stuff...I still prefer compiling it though for some reason, makes me more secure that I have the latest version of that in particular..
[05:28] <Patizivs> dystopianray: What changes does this new intel driver has?
[05:28] <dystopianray> Patizivs: native modesetting, randr1.2
[05:28] <Lin> hi all!!
[05:29] <dystopianray> Patizivs: native modesetting means no more 915resolution
[05:29] <derek_> valehru, installed ndiswrapper-common
[05:29] <LordKeiden> dystopianray, yes i am. I have done it before. for development purposes, I'll do lots of stuff I would normally not do. If the developer needs something I can live without, and I fell as if I can trust them, sure I would.
[05:30] <dystopianray> LordKeiden: are you sure it's actually legal though?
[05:30] <Patizivs> dystopianray: How much do you get FPS with glxgears (and what is your computer spec?)
[05:30] <Lin> I have installed feisty using fai, it worked flawlessly, but when starting gnome-session the session takes 5  minutes to start, then it's start as usual. How can I debug the session (xsession erros dont give any output related). There is any way to raise the verbosity?
[05:30] <dystopianray> Patizivs: not on my laptop right now, but ~800 fps and ~1200 with INTEL_BATCH=1
[05:31] <valehru> derek_, ok, next add the module ...  sudo gedit /etc/modules   add the line ndiswrapper
[05:31] <dystopianray> Patizivs: glxgears is not a benchmark though
[05:31] <Lin> I have a lot of dbus-daemon processes running.
[05:31] <Patizivs> dystopianray: yes I know, what s intel_batch=1
[05:31] <dystopianray> Patizivs: that's on a inspiron 6000, i915 video, 1GB DDR, 1.73Ghz pentium-m
[05:32] <dystopianray> Patizivs: running a 3d application with INTEL_BATCH=1 improves performance
[05:32] <LordKeiden> dystopianray, yes. the issue is really with multiple copies. in my method, it is actually a transfer, so unless the EULA forbods transfer, the the EULA is still preserved. For music, it works fine.
[05:32] <derek_> valehru, done
[05:32] <dystopianray> Patizivs: to implement screen rotation support they had to use some hacks that mess with the driver's performance and that variable reverts the app to the previous non-rotatable method
[05:33] <Patizivs> dystopianray: You mean glxgears INTEL_BATCH=1 ?
[05:33] <valehru> derek_, restart the computer fully.  then go to Network settings and check if your interface can been seen.  You should configure it from there.
[05:33] <dystopianray> Patizivs: INTEL_BATCH=1 glxgears
[05:33] <dystopianray> Patizivs: it's an environment variable
[05:33] <valehru> derek_, come back to me when thats done
[05:33] <Patizivs> dystopianray: Thanks I will try later
[05:33] <dystopianray> Patizivs: it should give youa  significant glxgears boost and also help greatly in any other 3d apps
[05:34] <derek_> valehru, I can see my interface even now
[05:34] <derek_> it says, "roaming enabled"
[05:37] <valehru> derek_, restart anyway...ur still using bcm43xx
[05:37] <derek_> ok, but first I need to download the windows driver for my card, don't I?
[05:38] <valehru> derek_, do you have them on a cd??
[05:38] <dystopianray> valehru: all he has to do is unload the bcm43xx module
[05:38] <derek_> valehru, no, the link that Patizivs gave had
[05:38] <valehru> derek_, download them
[05:38] <derek_> I didn't get any CD
[05:39] <valehru> derek_, then go into the directory and sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[05:39] <derek_> btw, now that I'm going to restart, tell me how I can make the xset commands effects permanent?
[05:39] <derek_> yeah
[05:39] <dystopianray> derek_: you don't need to restart, unload bcm43xx and then load ndiswrapper once you have the windows driver installed
[05:39] <valehru> derek_, then go sudo ndiswrapper -a 14E4:4318 bcmwl5
[05:40] <valehru> then sudo rmmod bcm43xx
[05:40] <derek_> oh
[05:40] <valehru> then sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:40] <derek_> *ok
[05:40] <valehru> derek_, you should be done then
[05:41] <valehru> derek_, if you want to repeat any of those steps or note them down in future they are all listed here: http://www.valehru.com/blog/?p=181
[05:41] <valehru> drivers are there as well
[05:41] <derek_> ok
[05:41] <derek_> (can you tell about the xset thing)
[05:42] <shirish> dystopianray: going for dinner, most probably I would make a long post of it (of the whole affair) at ubuntuforums & then perhaps people can figure out a solution for this. there is /etc/reportbug.conf as well as a .reportbugrc so things do look up but would need some tending to do.
[05:43] <shirish> dystopianray: meet u guys back here after dinner, after having written the big post. :)
[05:44] <dystopianray> shirish: ok then, bye
[05:45] <valehru> derek_, xset?
[05:45] <derek_> bcmwl5 : driver installed
[05:45] <derek_> valehru,
[05:45] <derek_> btw, now that I'm going to restart, tell me how I can make the xset commands effects permanent?
[05:46] <valehru> derek_, did you do the ndiswrapper -a ...... commend
[05:46] <dystopianray> derek_: have you put ndiswrapper into /etc/modules ?
[05:46] <valehru> command?
[05:46] <derek_> dystopianray, yes
[05:46] <valehru> then that will load when you reboot
[05:46] <valehru> or boot should I say
[05:46] <derek_> valehru, yes, like xset +fp /home/derek/.fonts/bitmap , xset fp rehash
[05:47] <valehru> to read the fonts?
[05:47] <valehru> never done it before..
[05:48] <derek_> yes
[05:48] <derek_> otherwise it is just for that session
[05:48] <derek_> anyway, now reboot is necessary?
[05:48] <valehru> well...
[05:48] <valehru> go sudo ifdown eth12
[05:48] <valehru> go sudo ifdown eth1
[05:48] <valehru> then go sudo ifup eth1
[05:48] <derek_> what is go?
[05:49] <valehru> go = as in = next step = to move ...
[05:49] <derek_> :) ok
[05:49] <derek_> ifdown: interface eth1 not configured
[05:49] <dystopianray> ndiswrapper is wlan
[05:49] <valehru> dystopianray, no.
[05:50] <dystopianray> valehru: since when?
[05:50] <valehru> dystopianray, on mine its eth1
[05:50] <derek_> iwconfig gives no wireless extensions
[05:50] <valehru> dystopianray, always has been
[05:50] <valehru> derek_, reboot just to be on the safeside
[05:50] <dystopianray> valehru: i've only ever seen it as wlan0, although i've not personally used it in years
[05:50] <valehru> then come back
[05:50] <derek_> can't I load the ndiswrapper module without restarting?
[05:50] <valehru> I always find I need to reboot
[05:51] <valehru> ok, go sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:51] <dystopianray> derek_: yes you can do that, a reboot is not necessary
[05:52] <valehru> derek_, paste what ndiswrapper -l gives you.
[05:52] <derek_> phew
[05:52] <derek_> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:52] <valehru> yes
[05:52] <derek_> we should minimise the need to reboot on linux :)
[05:52] <derek_> now iwconfig lists eth1
[05:52] <valehru> ok..
[05:52] <valehru> go sudo iwlist eth1 scan
[05:53] <derek_> that webpage says I need to first disable the wired connection in order for the wireless one to work. Why?
[05:53] <dystopianray> derek_: it's healthy to occasionally reboot to ensure that you still can boot
[05:53] <valehru> can you see any networks?
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> Please fix Bug #85751 before release!!!?
[05:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 85751 in mplayer "Distorted MP3 sound" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85751
[05:53] <valehru> derek_, ignore it.
[05:53] <derek_> dystopianray, ah! I see. That's vital
[05:53] <valehru> derek_, sometimes its necesscery, especially after updates
[05:53] <derek_> valehru, so you mean I can be connected to the ethernet LAN and still access wi-fi?
[05:53] <dystopianray> derek_: that is correct
[05:54] <valehru> derek_, u can use whatever connection you want
[05:54] <valehru> but you must specify the one you wish to use.
[05:54] <derek_> cool
[05:54] <derek_> "specify the one" <-- ??
[05:54] <valehru> You can specify profiles to use in certain situations
[05:54] <valehru> eg, at home I use a wired profile
[05:55] <valehru> in starbucks I use a wifi profile
[05:55] <dystopianray> jeroenvrp: probably too late for feisty, will likely be fixed in an updated package after release
[05:55] <derek_> ok
[05:55] <valehru> then you can have various wifi profiles for multiple networks
[05:55] <derek_> what is "Roaming mode enabled"?
[05:55] <dystopianray> derek_: you might want to try network-manager for easy configuration
[05:55] <derek_> is it like Bluetooth ON and visible status?
[05:55] <cypherdelic>  cypherdelic@HaeckFleisch:/usr/bin$ wengophone
[05:55] <cypherdelic>  [ Process PID=9143 runs in 32 bit mode. ] 
[05:55] <cypherdelic>  ./qtwengophone: error while loading shared libraries: libFLAC.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:55] <jeroenvrp> dystopianray: thats a shame, because the bug is many times confirmed; months ago
[05:56] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: you don't have libFLAC.so.7
[05:56] <valehru> derek_, it searches all the networks and connects to ones which have no encryption and the strongest signal, thats my take on it...but im prolly wrong, I never use it
[05:56] <derek_> bash: network-manager: command not found  , and also network-manager is already the newest version. ??
[05:57] <dystopianray> derek_: are you using gnome or kde?
[05:57] <derek_> gnome dystopianray
[05:57] <dystopianray> derek_: try running 'nm-applet'
[05:57] <derek_> dystopianray, I think it is already running
[05:57] <cypherdelic> dystopianray: cypherdelic@HaeckFleisch:/usr/bin$ ls -la /usr/lib | grep libFLAC.so.7
[05:57] <cypherdelic> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       16 2007-04-15 11:58 libFLAC.so -> libFLAC.so.7.0.0
[05:57] <dystopianray> derek_: ok, you should be able to use it from the system tray to easily connect to wired and wireless networks
[05:58] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: it said something about 32-bit mode, are you running an amd64 system?
[05:58] <valehru> derek_, System => Administration => Network
[05:58] <valehru> personally I just edit the /etc/network/interfaces file, applets be dammed
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:59] <dystopianray> valehru: interfaces can't handle wireless encryption
[05:59] <valehru> umm...yes it can....
[05:59] <valehru> WEP
[05:59] <valehru> ,,
[05:59] <valehru> ..
[05:59] <valehru> ......
[05:59] <dystopianray> valehru: only fools use wep
[05:59] <derek_> dystopianray, it just says "Enable Networking" and "Enable Wireless"  - both of which are checked.
[05:59] <valehru> derek_, what encryption are you using?
[06:00] <derek_> I don't know.
[06:00] <valehru> WEP perchance?
[06:00] <cypherdelic> open("/usr/lib/i686-linux-gnu/tls/i686/sse2/cmov/libFLAC.so.7", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[06:00] <valehru> ...
[06:00] <derek_> Right now I'm not in any wi-fi coverage
[06:00] <cypherdelic> strace gave that: dystopianray
[06:00] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: are you trying to runa  32-bit application on 64-bit system?
[06:01] <cypherdelic> nonono dystopianray listen
[06:01] <cypherdelic> open("/usr/lib/i686-linux-gnu/tls/i686/sse2/libFLAC.so.7", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[06:01] <cypherdelic> app thinks there is the library
[06:01] <greg_g> Does the new "Restricted Drivers" feature for ATI video cards take into account widescreen LCDs??  The reason I ask is that the default installation method does not work for my Acer AL2016W monitor, it says "input no supported"  I have to use the Mesa drivers for my ATI 9250
[06:01] <cypherdelic> but it is in /usr/lib/
[06:01] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: so you're not running a 64-bit system?
[06:02] <cypherdelic> of course im running a 64bit system but this is not the question
[06:02] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: is this application from the official repos?
[06:02] <cypherdelic> it is compatibleity mode within openwengo
[06:02] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: and wengophone is a 32-bit app?
[06:02] <cypherdelic> no it isnt because official repo doesnt connect to openwengoservers
[06:02] <cypherdelic> Not Connected - Error Occured
[06:03] <cypherdelic> using 2.0.0. rc5 bs
[06:03] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: is this a 32-bit wengophone?
[06:03] <jeroenvrp> I understand Feisty will be postponed, because we have some show stoppers!?
[06:03] <cypherdelic> it is both BAH
[06:03] <cypherdelic> it will work for 32bit and 64bit
[06:03] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: but is it a 32-bit executable?
[06:04] <dystopianray> jeroenvrp: probably, RC is not yet released
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> dystopianray: I though it was
[06:04] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: you need matching 32-bit libraries for 32-bit apps on 64-bit linux
[06:04] <dystopianray> jeroenvrp: no
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> ok
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> I only had a test RC
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> ok
[06:04] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: which usually involves a chroot
[06:05] <cypherdelic> and what is that strace output for wengophone output?
[06:05] <cypherdelic> open("/usr/lib/i686-linux-gnu/tls/i686/sse2/libFLAC.so.7", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[06:05] <cypherdelic> it is /usr/lib/libFLAC7....
[06:05] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: it's trying to open a file that doesn't exist
[06:05] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: /usr/lib/ contains 64-bit libraries
[06:05] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: they cannot be used by a 32-bit program
[06:06] <cypherdelic> do you know what i have to do? the official repo wengophone does execute too
[06:06] <cypherdelic> dystopianray:
[06:07] <cypherdelic> i assume they need nearly the same libraries
[06:07] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: you probably need a 32-bit chroot for wengophone
[06:07] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: or finda  64-bit version of it
[06:08] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: although i'm not sure exactly how to go about setting up a 32-bit chroot
[06:08] <cypherdelic> i got linux32 that should be enough
[06:09] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: no it's not
[06:09] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: you still need the actual libraries to run the program with
[06:09] <cypherdelic> hmm
[06:09] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: all linux32 does is trick the application into thinking you have a 32-bit system
[06:09] <cypherdelic> and give them a 32bit librarie backend?
[06:10] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: no, it only changes uname -m output AFAIK
[06:10] <cypherdelic> dystopianray: but i got a folder /usr/lib/lib32/
[06:10] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: what is in it?
[06:11] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: does it have libFLAC ?
[06:11] <cypherdelic> no its /usr/lib32
[06:11] <cypherdelic> no libFLAC :(
[06:12] <cypherdelic> hey can i download that 32bit, but it there, and it will work?
[06:12] <cypherdelic> put
[06:12] <cypherdelic> srysrysry
[06:12] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: i have no idea
[06:13] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: i run x86 on my amd64 machien to avoid all these problems
[06:13] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: just look for the ia32 versions of libraries (and most have them in the repos) and they will work
[06:13] <frying_fish> thats what I do on my system
[06:13] <derek_> thanks ALL
[06:14] <derek_> :)
[06:14] <frying_fish> I couldn't tell you about libflac right now, since that machine is currently in transit.  Although, why on a 64bit system do you need 32bit libflac?
[06:14] <dystopianray> frying_fish: he's trying to runa  32-bit application
[06:14] <zaggynl> !sound
[06:14] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:14] <frying_fish> right, which 32bit app?
[06:14] <cypherdelic> frying_fish: every ia32* from my repos are installed :(
[06:15] <cypherdelic> wengophone
[06:15] <frying_fish> there not a 64bit variant of it then?
[06:15] <cypherdelic> libFLAC.so.7
[06:15] <cypherdelic> no
[06:15] <zaggynl> I don't understand this
[06:15] <zaggynl> No errors, all sliders up, everything un-muted, but I have no sound
[06:15] <zaggynl> checked cable and all that
[06:15] <zaggynl> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't :x
[06:15] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: interesting, I'd look at libflac and see if it has a 32bit option there
[06:16] <dystopianray> zaggynl: intel-hda?
[06:16] <zaggynl> dystopianray, my disks are from samsung and seagate if that's what you mean
[06:16] <zaggynl> I have an audigy LS soundcard and onboard sound
[06:16] <dystopianray> zaggynl: no i mean, do you have intel high definition audio?
[06:16] <dystopianray> zaggynl: both soundcards don't work?
[06:16] <cypherdelic> imw ith intel-hda too i didnt ever experienced that bug
[06:17] <zaggynl> well, I don't get any sound
[06:17] <LoneShadow> zaggynl: does /dev/dsp have right permissions ?
[06:17] <dystopianray> zaggynl: which sound card are you using?
[06:17] <cypherdelic> but i got choppy sounds at all if i switch back from suspend-mode
[06:17] <dystopianray> zaggynl: is the onboard sound intel-hda ?
[06:17] <zaggynl> I'm using the audigy
[06:17] <zaggynl> Onboard is viaxxxx something
[06:17] <dystopianray> zaggynl: the audigy is not working?
[06:17] <zaggynl> lemme test onboard
[06:18] <frying_fish> alsa might have changed the priority for soundcard, try turning the onboard sound off in the bios
[06:18] <zaggynl> ahah
[06:18] <zaggynl> onboard gives sound
[06:18] <frying_fish> yeah its changed the priorities, if you don't use the onboard sound just turn it off in the bios
[06:18] <zaggynl> hmm
[06:18] <zaggynl> can I do that without rebooting in linux?
[06:18] <frying_fish> no
[06:18] <dystopianray> zaggynl: on the audigy is there a control 'audigy digital/analog output jack' ?
[06:18] <cypherdelic> frying_fish: damn, i wish to only use 64bit apps, but developers dont care, skype isnt available for 64bit and wengophone isnt too :(
[06:19] <zaggynl> dystopianray, in alsamixer?
[06:19] <frying_fish> dystopianray: problem is solved, alsa has the primary card as the onboard.
[06:19] <dystopianray> zaggynl: yes
[06:19] <dystopianray> frying_fish: he said his audigy doesn't work
[06:19] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: sucks.
[06:19] <zaggynl> hum, lots of sliders
[06:19] <dystopianray> zaggynl: it's only a simple toggle
[06:19] <frying_fish> dystopianray: yeah, read his next few lines, the audigy isn't working because alsa is piping the sound to the onboard device, not the audigy
[06:19] <cypherdelic> frying_fish: but i need it, do you have an idea how to pet passed this error with ubuntu feisty:
[06:19] <dystopianray> frying_fish: but his onboard device works
[06:19] <frying_fish> exactly dystopianray
[06:19] <zaggynl> got it
[06:19] <cypherdelic> ./qtwengophone: error while loading shared libraries: libFLAC.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:20] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: without finding a pre-compiled libflac for 32bit (which is probably in the 32bit ubuntu feisty repos) then no
[06:20] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: if you want to run 32-bit applications it's best to use 32-bit ubuntu
[06:21] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: 64-bit has little point unless you have a very specific reason to use it
[06:21] <cypherdelic> can you help me find that pre-compiled libflac?
[06:21] <frying_fish> he only wants to run that 1 32bit app because he can't get a 64bit variant, surely using 64bit for everything else would be better.
[06:21] <zaggynl> dystopianray, no matter what I change it too, no sound, or do I have to save it in some way?
[06:21] <cypherdelic> frying_fish: thats the point
[06:21] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: go to packages.ubuntu.com, find it there, then download the .deb (but don't straight dpkg -i it) do dpkg -x to get the file and move them.
[06:21] <dystopianray> zaggynl: how did you test the onboard sound? just plug the cable into it and it worked?
[06:22] <zaggynl> yep
[06:22] <cypherdelic> cool i will try that and report and came back with the next library :D
[06:22] <frying_fish> zaggynl: its not providing sound as it isn't the primary device, tell the program you are using to play sound to specifically output to the audigy, not alsa default.
[06:22] <zaggynl> hmm
[06:22] <zaggynl> not sure howto do this in rhytmbox
[06:22] <zaggynl> :)
[06:23] <frying_fish> or the simplest option is simply to reboot the machine, and go into the bios and turn off the onboard sound
[06:23] <frying_fish> then you won't get the problem of the cards swapping around willy nilly on boot
[06:23] <zaggynl> true
[06:23] <zaggynl> my audigy doesn't support multiple channels by hardware, I'm wondering if I can use my audigy for sound playback and my via onboard for recording
[06:23] <frying_fish> which audigy card is it?
[06:23] <zaggynl> Audigy LS
[06:24] <zaggynl> CA0106
[06:24] <frying_fish> rather old?  does it use emu10k1 as it would prob be able to do it
[06:24] <frying_fish> you could possibly set that up, but then you will want to look into configuring alsa so it always names one card the primary and the other card the secondary, and I can't remember that off the top of my head
[06:24] <dystopianray> zaggynl: i beleive you can make some additions to a file in /etc/modprobe/ and force the cards to be detected in a specific order
[06:24] <Jordan_U> Whenever I play WM or Quicktime videos in gstreamer they are discolored
[06:25] <frying_fish> rhythmbox seems to be pretty poorly made, can't even choose how to do your sound output
[06:25] <dystopianray> Jordan_U: what is the video format of the quicktime video?
[06:25] <zaggynl> yeah, it's dumbed down a bit, oh well
[06:25] <zaggynl> ima go turn off my onboard, thanks for the help so far :)
[06:25] <Jordan_U> dystopianray, I would need to check, but I believe H.264
[06:26] <dystopianray> Jordan_U: do other videos work fine?
[06:26] <dystopianray> Jordan_U: does it only happen with gstreamer?
[06:26] <Jordan_U> dystopianray, Some do some don't, But it is only a gstreamer problem.
[06:27] <Jordan_U> Wow, the "Experience ubuntu.ogg" vid from the examples that come with Ubuntu is discolored also.
[06:28] <zaggynl> this is disturbing, my onboard sound is turned off in the BIOS
[06:28] <zaggynl> how can it work in ubuntu?!
[06:28] <dystopianray> zaggynl: maybe your bios doesn't really turn it off
[06:28] <dystopianray> zaggynl: or turns it off in some half-arsed fashion that only windows recognises
[06:28] <marcot>  Hello, I'm with a problem with the pppoe configuration, I set it to be loaded at boot, but it's not being load correctly.
[06:28] <zaggynl> hmm, might have to do with the plug & play OS setting then
[06:29] <frying_fish> zaggynl: look here, it will help on setting 1 card to always be card 0 and the other to be card 1 http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards
[06:29] <dystopianray> Jordan_U: what video card do you have?
[06:29] <marcot> A conection is stabilished, because I can do poff, but I can't ping nothing.
[06:29] <zaggynl> fritsch, thanks
[06:29] <dystopianray> zaggynl: 'plug & play OS' should always be set to 'no'
[06:29] <Jordan_U> dystopianray, ATi
[06:29] <marcot> I get: network is unreachable.
[06:29] <zaggynl> okay
[06:29] <fritsch> marcot: perhaps the default gateway is not setup correctly
[06:29] <fritsch> marcot: run route -n after booting and have a look
[06:30] <dystopianray> zaggynl: although really, that option has no affect on modern ACPI supporting OSs
[06:30] <marcot> hum...
[06:30] <marcot> fritsch: it seems to be the problem, since when I run poff and pon again it works and the result of route -n is different.
[06:31] <fritsch> marcot: :-)
[06:31] <marcot> fritsch: I has one more line: 0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         U     0      0        0 ppp0
[06:31] <marcot> fritsch: how can I configure it to add this line in boot time?
[06:31] <fritsch> mmmh the 0.0.0.0 does not seem coreectly
[06:31] <frying_fish> zaggynl: gone through that site? you just need to find the stuff about loading the specific modules for your card and setting one to have index=0 and then the other to be index=1
[06:31] <fritsch> marcot: just try again sudo pppoeconfig
[06:32] <zaggynl> frying_fish, ah okay
[06:32] <Jordan_U> OK, now it seems that any video I play is discolored, regardless of codec
[06:32] <dfgas> on my laptop, how do i get the brightness control to work?
[06:33] <mc44> Jordan_U: you using fglrx and totem?
[06:33] <Jordan_U> mc44, Yes
[06:33] <dfgas> i have a gateway laptop mt3418
[06:33] <mc44> Jordan_U: known bug
[06:33] <mc44> Jordan_U: due to ati being rubbish
[06:33] <Jordan_U> mc44, Is there a known fix?
[06:33] <mc44> Jordan_U: use vlc or mplayer :/
[06:33] <fritsch> Jordan_U: should work with fglrx?
[06:34] <frying_fish> Jordan_U: use vlc, it is the best and easiest option
[06:34] <marcot> fritsch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15980/
[06:34] <marcot> fritsch: I've tried that already.
[06:34] <mc44> Jordan_U: or using compiz seems to fix it for me as well
[06:34] <Jordan_U> frying_fish, But then I can't show off libgimmycodec to people :)
[06:34] <fritsch> marcot: mmmh http://www.launchpad.net
[06:34] <fritsch> marcot: could be an issue with network-manager and pppoe
[06:35] <fritsch> marcot: because network manager replaces the default route ...
[06:35] <Jordan_U> mc44, XGL :( eww
[06:35] <fritsch> marcot: you can manually do after boot: route add default gw "your ppoe gateway"
[06:35] <marcot> hum...
[06:35] <frying_fish> libgimmycodec?
[06:35] <mc44> JOyeah I know
[06:35] <mc44> Jordan_U: ^
[06:35] <frying_fish> what does that actually provide?
[06:36] <cypherdelic> frying_fish: i got it
[06:36] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: got it unpacked?
[06:36] <frying_fish> if it has libflac.so.7 then put that in /usr/lib32
[06:36] <Jordan_U> frying_fish, If you don't have a given codec needed to play a file the codec will be automatically installed when you try to play it
[06:36] <mc44> Jordan_U: I heard there might be a workaround but I couldnt find a good one. Changing to non-Xv rendering also works
[06:37] <mc44> but will make things slow
[06:37] <Jordan_U> mc44, How would I change to non-Xv rendering?
[06:37] <frying_fish> Jordan_U: well this is where the brilliance of vlc comes in, it just uses ffmpeg which covers every codec around really (and a couple of other libs) so you won't really find the case of "I don't have X codec"
[06:37] <fritsch> Jordan_U: mplayer -vo x11 video.avi
[06:37] <cypherdelic> Everyone: To run Wengophone 2.1 you need to copy following 32Bit libraries from http://ubuntu.packages.com/ to /usr/lib32: libFLAC7, libgcrypt11, libgpg-error0, DONT COPY THE SYMLINKS
[06:37] <Jordan_U> frying_fish, I know, it's just a fun feature to show off.
[06:38] <cypherdelic> please add this libs to repo
[06:38] <mc44> Jordan_U: its a gnome dialog which is hidden, gimme  a sec
[06:38] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: you would need to place that as a bug on launchpad really
[06:38] <frying_fish> asking on irc isn't going to get it done
[06:38] <dystopianray> frying_fish: xine and mplayer use ffmpeg too and gstreamer can also use it
[06:38] <cypherdelic> im not experienced with that, would you do this please?
[06:38] <cypherdelic> frying_fish:
[06:39] <mc44> Jordan_U: gstreamer-properties
[06:39] <Jordan_U> mc44, Thanks
[06:41] <kane77> hey all!
[06:42] <kane77> i just have new kernel available.. is it trouble free? (it's 15.27)
[06:42] <dystopianray> kane77: should be fine
[06:43] <kane77> okay, I'm updating, if I'm not back call the police :D
[06:45] <hylje> :o
[07:01] <RedRose> how can i have ubuntu automount a partition? Such as my windows partition?
[07:02] <davisc> RedRose: Add a line to your /etc/fstab
[07:03] <mc44> !fstab
[07:03] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[07:03] <kane77> I'm here! it works :)
[07:05] <RedRose> !Partitions
[07:05] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:12] <cypherdelic> Deadline for Kernel Fixes is 23.4, right?
[07:12] <ROnewbie> crimsun: hi crimsun, do you have 5 minutes ?
[07:13] <cypherdelic> Will there be a 2.6.21 kernel update for feisty before 23.4????
[07:13] <mc44> cypherdelic: there almost certainly wont be a new kernel before release
[07:14] <bricas> I'm having a rather strange problem with tomcat 5.5 -- the service says it has started, but when i try to get to it via http://localhost:8080/ (i've set it to 8080 in the config) -- nothing responds. In fact, the only way i could make it respond was to do sudo cat /var/log/timcat5.5/catalina.out a couple of times until it spit out some info.
[07:14] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: feisty does not have 2.6.21
[07:14] <compengi> how is the preparation for the release after 3 days going?
[07:14] <cypherdelic> dystopianray: damn, it got nice fixes for notebooks, suspend  and hibernation
[07:15] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: ubuntu does not use vanilla kernels straight from kernel.org, they are heavily patched
[07:15] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: ubuntu's kernel has many fixes from 2.6.21 in it
[07:16] <cypherdelic> dystopianray: thanks, i didnt know that
[07:16] <bricas> i guess this bug is what i'm getting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat5.5/+bug/97096
[07:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 97096 in tomcat5.5 "tomcat5.5 won't start b/c of catalina.out named pipe" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[07:19] <coz_> any work around for boot error     /bin/sh: can't access TTY; job control turned off
[07:25] <Kevlar_Soul>  They found a picture of the VT shooter http://i11.tinypic.com/2ue02mo.jpg
[07:25] <Kevlar_Soul> :D
[07:26] <mc44> !offtopic | Kevlar_Soul
[07:26] <ubotu> Kevlar_Soul: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:26] <minimec> Ronald: Still in the room? ;) Got something for you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/107046
[07:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 107046 in totem "totem-gstreamer 'streaming' problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:40] <Ronald> minimec: looking
[07:41] <minimec> Ronald: Just got a second one. Ubotu will be telling you soon, as I see.
[07:42] <Ronald> minimec: i had much less output on console
[07:42] <Ronald> same otherwise
[07:42] <Ronald> or cnn is different ?
[07:43] <minimec> Ronald: Well you have two examples here ... www.tagesschau.de and www.cnn.com
[07:47] <minimec> Ronald: The 2ns one is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/107051
[07:47] <ubotu> Malone bug 107051 in totem "totem-mozilla (dynamic link problem)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:51] <CapaH> Is there anything I will not get if I upgrade to Feisty Fawn before the official release, or is it safe to do so now?
[07:51] <CapaH> i.e. any reason why the full release is better than what I could get todfay
[07:52] <aaroncampbell> Does Alien have a website somewhere?  I'm finding all sorts of references to it, but no official site via Google
[07:52] <dystopianray_> CapaH: update from edgy you mean?
[07:52] <BluesKaj> CapaH, good question ...the beta release is upposed to automatically give the option to install the Official Release AFAIK
[07:52] <BluesKaj> supposed to
[07:53] <dystopianray_> CapaH: all features have been final for a while, only critical bug fixes will go in before the final
[07:53] <zaggynl> anyone gotten half life to work with wine in feisty?
[07:53] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: half life 1 or 2?
[07:53] <zaggynl> 1
[07:54] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: it should just work, that is a really old quake engine game
[07:54] <zaggynl> meh
[07:54] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=8
[07:54] <psiscape> I have a simular question as CapaH, if I download the RC daily build and install it, will I be able to distro upgrade to the final in 3 days?
[07:55] <dystopianray_> CapaH: if you are going to install feisty, i recommend getting one of the daily snapshot livecds and instalilng with that
[07:55] <dystopianray_> psiscape: yes you will
[07:55] <CapaH> dystopianray_: URL?
[07:55] <dystopianray_> CapaH: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[07:55] <shirish> dystopianray_: I have made a detailed post at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2463091 asking about how to use postfix+reportbug , At some point can u take a look at it? Let's say within a day or two?
[07:55] <dystopianray_> shirish: well i can look now
[07:55] <shirish> dystopianray_: correction asking about how to
[07:56] <shirish> dystopianray_: sure
[07:56] <psiscape> will there be a utility to do it?  or will I use apt-get upgrade distro to do it?
[07:56] <CapaH> Is the difference between Edgy and Feisty a large difference, is it really noticable? What areas are most improved?
[07:57] <dystopianray_> psiscape: apt-get dist-upgrade will do
[07:57] <psiscape> ah
[07:57] <psiscape> capah, from the beta, it seems like a pretty large difference, lots of new config utilities
[07:57] <dystopianray_> psiscape: can upgrade from the beta, any herd release or edgy to feisty
[07:57] <psiscape> I use kubuntu though, and I don't see hardly any difference there
[07:58] <dystopianray_> CapaH: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/feistybeta
[07:58] <dystopianray_> CapaH: that goes over the main new features for ubuntu
[07:58] <Nicke> What's the best way to get the nvidia graphic driver to work under Xen?
[07:59] <dystopianray_> Nicke: I don't think it's possible
[07:59] <psiscape> I fried my HD trying to install an "unofficial" version of MacOSX :D  it wiped all my partitions, so I just threw winxp on here and was waiting for the final to come out.  LOL
[07:59] <Nicke> dystopianray_: okey
[07:59] <dystopianray_> Nicke: only nvidia can make it compatible
[07:59] <psiscape> I can't take this MS crap anymore... gotta get Linux back on here
[07:59] <Nicke> I see
[08:00] <Lin> who/how is created the file /var/run/network/ifstate?
[08:00] <Nicke> dystopianray_: I was wondering since there are an linux-restricted-modules package for xen in the repos, that says that it includes 'nvidia'
[08:00] <dystopianray_> Nicke: well it might be possible, I don't know
[08:00] <Nicke> dystopianray_: But it has an unmet dependency, and is for the wrong kernel version
[08:00] <Nicke> okey
[08:01] <psiscape> are most of the broken packages for feisty fixed in the repos yet?
[08:01] <Nicke> I will try some more later on then, if I get the time.. thanks anyway : )
[08:01] <psiscape> a couple of months ago, when I had Hurd 5, 1/2 the packages were broken
[08:01] <dystopianray_> psiscape: should be, only release critical changes are being made
[08:02] <psiscape> is it true beryl/compiz is now in the repos?
[08:02] <dystopianray_> psiscape: yes
[08:02] <psiscape> because it was a B*tch compiling them from svn
[08:02] <dystopianray_> psiscape: compiz is installed with ubuntu by default but you must enable it manually and have AIGLX support
[08:03] <psiscape> yeah, I messed with my xorg.conf so much that isn't even a prob LOL
[08:03] <dystopianray_> psiscape: what video card do you have?
[08:03] <psiscape> gForce 7950 GT OC
[08:04] <sioux> !cnr
[08:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cnr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <vio> great update guys :)
[08:04] <psiscape> it's a nice card
[08:04] <vio> finally no more anoying log-in sound :DD
[08:04] <sioux> how can I install cnr in ubuntu?
[08:04] <dystopianray_> psiscape: yes it is, should almost work by default for AIGLX, only a couple of additions to xorg.conf
[08:04] <shirish> dystopianray_: lemme know if you find out something better at the forum rather than here so perhaps I can add it l8ter to the wiki (giving proper accreditation of course) :)
[08:05] <dystopianray_> shirish: why not just use launchpad from your browser for reporting bugs?
[08:05] <psiscape> the Proprietary Drivers util doesn't recognise my card though
[08:05] <psiscape> I have to manually install the drivers
[08:05] <dystopianray_> psiscape: forget the util thing
[08:05] <crdlb> psiscape, be sure to install nvidia-glx-new
[08:05] <dystopianray_> psiscape: just install nvidia-glx-new
[08:05] <psiscape> i get the newest beta drivers from Nvidia directly
[08:06] <dystopianray_> psiscape: feisty has 9755
[08:06] <crdlb> don't do that
[08:06] <vio> crdlb:  :)
[08:06] <zaggynl> !microphone
[08:06] <shirish> dystopianray_: I am using launchpad, the bug is a feature-list which is in aptitude (which is debian's baby) so while I have posted the bug at launchpad, it also needs to be done at debian's end as they are the people working on it.
[08:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about microphone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:06] <psiscape> is it a usb mic?
[08:06] <shirish> dystopianray_: as I understand ubuntu is just packaging it.
[08:06] <zaggynl> psiscape, nah, headset
[08:06] <dystopianray_> shirish: on, debian only allow you to use reportbug?
[08:06] <dystopianray_> oh
[08:06] <sioux> How I can setup linspire CNR on ubuntu?
[08:07] <psiscape> did linspire release CNR yet?
[08:07] <shirish> dystopianray_: correct, although the .deb for it is in the universe repository
[08:07] <zaggynl> funny thing is, when I unmute mic from playback, I hear myself, but the sound recorder records nothing
[08:07] <zaggynl> won't work in half life in steam either
[08:07] <shirish> psiscape: it is supposed to release CNR by June something IIRC
[08:07] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: have you upped the mic in $ alsamixer -V capture ?
[08:08] <sioux> psiscape: canonical and linspire agreement said so
[08:08] <zaggynl> dystopianray_, all the way up
[08:08] <psiscape> cnr.com says "coming soon"
[08:08] <psiscape> not that I'll use it anyway
[08:09] <psiscape> I look at linspire in the same light as Novell/Microsoft
[08:10] <sioux> psiscape: so that's a "pacco" or "sola"!
[08:10] <kneeki> Anyone know of any issues preventing Ubuntu 7.04 from seeing 'hidden' files, even with the 'show hidden' box checked?
[08:10] <dystopianray_> kneeki: which hidden files?
[08:10] <dystopianray_> kneeki: can you see them in a terminal with 'ls' ?
[08:10] <dystopianray_> kneeki: i mean, ls -a
[08:11] <kneeki> I didn't try terminal. Just GUI *bonk*
[08:11] <psiscape> oh yeah... on the cnr thing... add this to your repos:
[08:11] <psiscape> # Freespire CNR
[08:11] <psiscape> # deb http://apt2.freespire.org/CNRUbuntu/ skipjack-feisty main
[08:12] <kneeki> I'll try it when I get the DVD during lunch. I was able to view the files on Winblows, and Ubuntu 6.10, but in Feisty nothing is shown.
[08:12] <dystopianray_> kneeki: they are on a ntfs partition?
[08:12] <kneeki> dystopianray: Hmm, I'm not sure. It's the WoW: Burning Crusade DVD. Whatever that is
[08:13] <dystopianray_> kneeki: ah
[08:13] <dystopianray_> kneeki: it has mac and windows installers, right?
[08:14] <[miles] > evening guys
[08:14] <kneeki> Yep, it does
[08:14] <dystopianray_> kneeki: ok, iirc, the windows files are not visible on the udf filesystem on it, only the mac files
[08:14] <dystopianray_> kneeki: you need to mount it as iso9660 to see the windows installer files
[08:15] <kneeki> dystopianray_: Ahh, I see. As I am new to 'nix, I thought the DVD was mounted when I put it in the drive. How do I mount it?
[08:15] <dystopianray_> kneeki: it wasn't mounted?
[08:15] <dystopianray_> kneeki: gnome should automount
[08:15] <dystopianray_> kneeki: what did you see on the cd?
[08:16] <kneeki> dystopianray_: I saw the tome files (the files used during the install) but all of the .exe's were hidden. And when I tried to type the address in, it just errored out saying they didn't exist
[08:16] <kneeki> I could also see a .trash folder, and a OSX_Install folder
[08:16] <dystopianray_> kneeki: ok so it did mount, what I'm saying is that you must manually mount it as iso9660
[08:17] <kneeki> Okay, how do I go about doing that?
[08:17] <dystopianray_> kneeki: $ sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0
[08:17] <kneeki> thanks =)
[08:17] <dystopianray_> kneeki: assuming /dev/cdrom is your cdrom device and /media/cdrom0 is where you want to mount it
[08:17] <dystopianray_> kneeki: you're seeing the osx files becuase they are only visible on the udf filesystem
[08:18] <dystopianray_> kneeki: I guess windows does iso9660 over udf so the windows installer is only no the iso9660 filesystem
[08:18] <dystopianray_> only on
[08:18] <kneeki> Ahh
[08:18] <kneeki> That makes sence =)
[08:19] <zaggynl> How would I install wine 0.9.35 in feisty? the repo version is 0.9.33
[08:19] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: find another repo that has that version
[08:19] <zaggynl> ah okay
[08:20] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: wine seems to have one but not yet for feisty: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[08:20] <zaggynl> cool thanks
[08:24] <psiscape> on the wine topic, Cedaga 6.0 was just released a couple days ago
[08:25] <_4str1> psiscape: exact
[08:26] <CapaH> What is Cedaga
[08:27] <Pici> Its an implementation of Wine tuned for playing games
[08:27] <Pici> !cedega
[08:27] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[08:27] <vio> it costs money though.,
[08:27] <Woody_> please I need help
[08:27] <CapaH> ah like Crossover ?
[08:27] <vio> !ask | Woody_
[08:27] <ubotu> Woody_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:28] <Pici> CapaH: Similar.
[08:28] <CapaH> which is better?
[08:28] <Pici> CapaH: Crossover is aimed at running business applications, Cedega at running games.
[08:29] <CapaH> interesting - are they related?
[08:29] <_4str1> nop
[08:29] <dystopianray_> CapaH: they are both based on wine
[08:29] <CapaH> Can it run starcraft? :)
[08:29] <dystopianray_> CapaH: wine can run starcraft
[08:29] <CapaH> really
[08:29] <CapaH> just out of the box?
[08:29] <Woody_> Yesterday at night I installed the nVidia driver on my Fiesty and then when i rebooted I got a black screen with the sound of drums. The screen is black (not white) and I can not access anything. I am on XP now, this is a dual booting box. I need to know what to do, and I do not want to reinstall fiesty. What is the problem and how can I get back to my ubuntu? thanks
[08:30] <_4str1> dystopianray_: crossover is based on wine ?
[08:30] <dystopianray_> CapaH: yes I have played it multiplayer on linux
[08:30] <dystopianray_> _4str1: i'm fairly certain it is
[08:30] <_4str1> ok
[08:30] <_4str1> didn't know
[08:30] <CapaH> dystopianray_: thats great -- now I just need to find my SC cd --- wonder if Blizzard will ever make SC2
[08:30] <_4str1> CapaH: good luxk ;)
[08:30] <dystopianray_> CapaH: probably make universe of starcraft or something
[08:30] <dystopianray_> CapaH: more money that way
[08:30] <_4str1> i tried to play guildwars...
[08:31] <CapaH> hope not... a universe of starcraft = I will lose my job, never have any money, and all and all be addicted hopelessly to a computer game... :)
[08:31] <_4str1> i think i screwed by my ATI videocard
[08:31] <vio> Woody_:  it seems like a driver problem, did you modify the xorg-conf?
[08:31] <CapaH> dpeneding of course on how good they do it :)
[08:31] <dystopianray_> CapaH: the only problem with starcraft is that it is a little slow on wine, because of wine lacking a DIB engine
[08:31] <Woody_> vio: I am new to all the Linux thing. explain whats xorg-conf? and how can I modify it?
[08:32] <CapaH> dystopianray_: 'DIB' ?
[08:32] <dystopianray_> CapaH: device independant bitmap
[08:32] <Woody_> vio: a step by step instruction would be amazing
[08:32] <dystopianray_> Woody_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf you can edit it with any text editor, it is your X configuration
[08:32] <Woody_> how can i edit it? dystopianray_
[08:33] <dystopianray_> Woody_: as root with any text editor
[08:33] <_4str1> Woody_: a command like : sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf  would be cool ;)
[08:33] <dystopianray_> CapaH: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=72
[08:33] <Woody_> when i boot my ubuntu i get a black screen, i can not enter. dystopianray_  vio
[08:33] <Woody_> how can i edit it if i can not enter ubuntu?
[08:33] <_4str1> Woody_: do you know command like cd, ls, ...
[08:33] <dystopianray_> Woody_: boot the livecd
[08:33] <psiscape> i became god of the xorg.conf when I set up my 6 display monitor wall in kubuntu :D
[08:34] <_4str1> :p
[08:34] <Woody_> _4str1: no
[08:34] <dystopianray_> Woody_: in the livecd environment fire up a irc client and come back here
[08:34] <vio> Woody_: i'm really new to linux my self, but can you change "kernel" at startup?
[08:34] <psiscape> 4 24" lcd's + 2 tv's LOL
[08:34] <CapaH> dystopianray_: Will that work with Feisty also or just Edgy ?
[08:34] <_4str1> Woody_: try to boot on the rescue systeme
[08:34] <dystopianray_> CapaH: what? starcraft?
[08:35] <Woody_> i heard that i can press ctl+alt+f2 and i can fix anything there. even if i am not in ubuntu.. is that true?
[08:35] <CapaH> dystopianray_: sure
[08:35] <dystopianray_> CapaH: it should work on any linux, wine is the most important component
[08:35] <_4str1> theoricaly the second line in the boot menu
[08:35] <dystopianray_> Woody_: no you must have booted ubuntu to access a vt
[08:35] <_4str1> Woody_: right
[08:35] <_4str1> Woody_: ctrl-1 / 2 / 3 ...
[08:35] <dystopianray_> Woody_: if you boot up the livecd and come back here we can help you edit the file more easily
[08:36] <_4str1> Woody_: ctrl-alt F1
[08:36] <Woody_> _4str1: so now i should boot from the Live CD or no need?
[08:36] <_4str1> Woody_: the pb is you know any command :p
[08:36] <Woody_> Woody_: I am not sure that I have the CD right now
[08:36] <Woody_> _4str1: if you can tell me the commands, i can right them down
[08:36] <dystopianray_> _4str1: if he boots the livecd he can edit it easily from there and still talk to us
[08:36] <Woody_> and do them
[08:37] <_4str1> dystopianray_: his HD will not be mounted on the live CD
[08:37] <Woody_> yeah thats what i was just thinking about _4str1 good point
[08:37] <_4str1> right ?
[08:37] <dystopianray_> _4str1: yeah but he will have an irc client and we can tell him how to mount it
[08:38] <_4str1> dystopianray_: right :)
[08:38] <_4str1> irssi powaaaaaa :p
[08:38] <dystopianray_> _4str1: unless you want to tell him all the terminal commands he needs
[08:38] <_4str1> dystopianray_: no
[08:39] <_4str1> so complicate to explain all command :p
[08:39] <Woody_> if i ctrl+alt+f1 when i get the black screen. I get the terminal. I need some commands, but i dont know any of them. If you can help me with the commands that would be fine
[08:39] <Pici> !cli | Woody_ take a look at this link
[08:39] <ubotu> Woody_ take a look at this link: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:40] <_4str1> Woody_: its better if you boot on the liveCD and then you connect here
[08:40] <Woody_> Pici: you want to teach me the commands now? :P
[08:40] <dystopianray_> Woody_: all you really need to do is: $ sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:40] <Woody_> thanks dystopianray_
[08:40] <Woody_> yeah....
[08:40] <Woody_> wait wait
[08:41] <dystopianray_> Woody_: then change the line 'Driver     "nvidia"' to 'Driver     "nv"'
[08:41] <Woody_> im going to boot from ive
[08:41] <Woody_> i got the CD
[08:41] <dystopianray_> Woody_: then press ctrl+x
[08:41] <Woody_> ah okay
[08:41] <dystopianray_> Woody_: then press 'y'
[08:41] <Woody_> yeah
[08:41] <dystopianray_> Woody_: then type $ sudo reboot
[08:41] <boricua> this ques might sound silly but i dont understand why if dapper installed smoothly on my laptop 7.04 gives me so many errors including alpha and beta so far
[08:41] <dystopianray_> boricua: which errors?
[08:41] <Woody_> thanks a lot dystopianray_
[08:41] <_4str1> mmm
[08:42] <_4str1> think it would be better to restore the old version of the file
[08:42] <zaggynl> !pcspeaker
[08:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcspeaker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:42] <boricua> well i see lots of buffer error on the hdc and just now i goet x failed to start  but i see  tons of i/o errors while booting
[08:42] <zaggynl> I get kinda annoyed by the constant *beep* of my pc speaker
[08:43] <Woody_> thanks a lot guys, im going to reboot now
[08:43] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: blacklist 'pcspkr'
[08:43] <_4str1> lol
[08:43] <zaggynl> okay
[08:43] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: and then do 'modprobe -r pcspkr'
[08:43] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: no more pc speaker beeps
[08:44] <zaggynl> how do I do said blacklisting?
[08:44] <Pici> !blacklist | zaggynl
[08:44] <ubotu> zaggynl: To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 
[08:45] <zaggynl> \0/
[08:45] <Pici> :)
[08:46] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: so basically you can just make the file /etc/modules/pcspkr which contains the line 'blacklist pcspkr'
[08:46] <shirish> dystopianray_: I guess no ideas or you forgot?
[08:46] <aaroncampbell> I thought I'd post this here, in case anyone has info on other options/better software.  It's simply my experience starting on Kubuntu (as a Web App Programmer): http://digg.com/linux_unix/A_Web_Developer_s_switch_to_Kubuntu_Feisty
[08:46] <aaroncampbell> Including the things that I couldn't really "replace" with linux equivalents
[08:46] <zaggynl> ahhh sweet sound of silence
[08:46] <dystopianray_> shirish: well I don't know anything about using reportbug
[08:46] <shirish> dystopianray_: fair enough
[08:47] <nomasteryoda> !launchpad
[08:47] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[08:47] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: nero's linux version is worse than k3b
[08:48] <nomasteryoda> k3b is very good  now... i have 3 burners and just drop a disk into any one of them and it "sees" it
[08:48] <kmaynard> will desktop effects work with nvidia-legacy?
[08:48] <boricua> dystopianray_: some of the errors unable to read cheche block mount: function not implemented bueffer i/o oerror on hdc
[08:48] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: if you install wine you can use ies4linux to install internet explorer 6 for web testing
[08:48] <boricua> *cache
[08:48] <dystopianray_> boricua: ah, might want to file a bug report
[08:48] <boricua> cant open basename /bin/sh
[08:49] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: Haven't tried it, so I couldn't say, but K3B has been good...
[08:49] <boricua> bug report i just got an email on a bug filed 3 months ago
[08:49] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: it's a very simple script (and I think gui now) http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[08:49] <boricua> on dapper no onger a real issue
[08:49] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: for photopshop replacement there is also krita, and afaik photoshop should run in crossover linux (although it is commercial)
[08:49] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: Cool, I haven't used wine directly in the past with much success, which is why I used Crossover Office
[08:49] <yemu> hi, i can't connect to wired network after recent update - there's no option for wired connection in networkmanager applet - only wireless
[08:49] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: oh good, photoshop should work in crossover
[08:50] <aaroncampbell> cool...I'll have to try it
[08:50] <yemu> anyone also has this problem
[08:50] <_4str1> aaroncampbell: for FTP connexion you can simply use konqueror ;)
[08:50] <nomasteryoda> yemu, i saw that too... i just run disable wireless in the applet, then type .. dhclient
[08:50] <nomasteryoda> ... if eth0 does not come up, i type "sudo ifconfig eth0 up"
[08:51] <nomasteryoda> not pretty, but it works
[08:51] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: your 8800 card will work on feisty final as that has a newer nv driver
[08:52] <kothz> anyone know if there's a backport for rdesktop that actually works with feisty?
[08:53] <aaroncampbell> _4str1: Well, I could have used IE or something too, but FileZilla stores all my connections, usernames, passwords, as well as local and remote default directories.
[08:53] <zPacKRat> kothz: what issues are you having?
[08:53] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: konqueror can store your login details in it's encrypted toolchain and you can bookmark ftp servers
[08:53] <_4str1> aaroncampbell: yes konqueror too ;)
[08:53] <aaroncampbell> _4str1: and since I used it on windows, I didn't even have to re-enter all that data, I just copied the files across
[08:53] <aaroncampbell> interesting
[08:54] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: konq is a very simple ftp client though, may not be adequate
[08:54] <_4str1> aaroncampbell: i developpe website too
[08:54] <_4str1> but just using konqueror and kate
[08:54] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: My 8800 works now, I just had to implement the little fix that I wrote in that bug report...some package somewhere is missing a file (libwfb)
[08:54] <dystopianray_> _4str1: yeah that is what I do as well, although i only do php and sql
[08:54] <kothz> er sorry zPackRat - wrong button
[08:55] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: so the livecd worked with the 8800 by default?
[08:55] <_4str1> ^^
[08:55] <aaroncampbell> Does konqueror allow you to make overwrite/resume rules, etc?
[08:55] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: no, it's very simple
[08:56] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: Well, it used the vesa drivers...
[08:56] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: it just presents it like another folder on your filesystem
[08:56] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: oh it did it automatically?
[08:56] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: no dual monitors, etc
[08:56] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: yes
[08:56] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: ah I thought it didnt' work at all with 8800 cards
[08:56] <aaroncampbell> I only ran into problems when I tried to set up the nvidia drivers for it (nvidia-glx)
[08:57] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: instead of using digikam you can also go to 'camera:/' in konq and it will let you browser the filesystem of your digital camera
[08:57] <Tom_g> wish i could afford an 8800 :(
[08:58] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: don't forget about krita, which is a great kde image editor
[08:59] <psiscape> aaroncampbell: I just left a comment for you on your blog :D
[08:59] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: you may prefer it over the gimp
[08:59] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: utorrent works in wine if you don't like the other torrent clients
[09:01] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: the guy who said ubuntu is better than kubuntu, kubuntu is ubuntu but with kde instead of gnome
[09:01] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: anything you can do with ubuntu you can do with kubuntu by installing a couple of packages
[09:01] <shirish> aaroncampbell: there is deluge-torrent but its in development atm. I am looking forward to that one.
[09:01] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: and vice versa
[09:01] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: yep, it offers to let you do that, but since my wife is a shutter bug, and takes 100s and 100s of pics, it's nice that it can automatically put them into dated directories
[09:02] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: I'll check krita...never tried it (taking notes here)
[09:02] <xopher> yeah, deluge-torrent is very promising, when it get's the promised features, it's going to be great
[09:02] <_4str1> ktorrent is prety cool
[09:02] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: krita is installed by default on edgy, but I don't think it gets installed on feisty (which is a shame)
[09:02] <aaroncampbell> I heard that about uTorrent, but it doesn't seem to be better enough to make it worth that to me
[09:02] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: krita supports colour profiles and greater than 8-bits per channel images
[09:03] <aaroncampbell> shirish: I linked that deluge in my post, but I didn't try it yet
[09:03] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: utorrent is more aggressive than other clients and the other clients don't have utorrent compatible DHT (except ktorrent) so you may find utorrent gives better torrent performance
[09:03] <xopher> for a good bittorrent client, although a bit sluggish because of the java, is azureus..
[09:03] <enyc> Is canonical having fun with new CD image / kernel / PATA drivers? ;-)
[09:04] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: "colour profiles and greater than 8-bits per channel images" sounds like Greek to me, but I'll try it anyway...I mostly want ease of use for a non-graphical person
[09:04] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: well as a web developer it probably doesn't matter to you, hehe
[09:04] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: kde doesn't have the crazy split up interface of the gimp http://www.koffice.org/krita/screenshots.php
[09:04] <_4str1> dystopianray_: what program are you using to manipulate SVG image ?
[09:05] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: I mostly use torrents to get Distro DVDs, etc.  I'm not THAT worried about getting an extra couple k/sec
[09:05] <davisc> Anyone know if full Flash function is available with an apt-get install from the standard repos or do you need to go for some external repo/download manually?
[09:05] <nomasteryoda> well there is always gimpshop..
[09:05] <dystopianray_> _4str1: I don't do any image manipulation
[09:05] <_4str1> :/
[09:05] <nomasteryoda> or beryl's grouping feature...
[09:05] <nomasteryoda> !flash
[09:05] <dystopianray_> _4str1: inkscape is supposed to be the best SVG program
[09:05] <_4str1> ok
[09:05] <dystopianray_> _4str1: or you could just use any text editor as it's just xml
[09:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:05] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[09:06] <cables> dystopianray_, I've heard good thins about Xara Somethingorother
[09:06] <_4str1> dystopianray_: yep but its a little bit difficult to draw an image withe kate :p
[09:06] <nomasteryoda> davisc, there you go... restricted formats
[09:06] <dystopianray_> cables: doesn't ring a bell, but it's not something i've looked into
[09:06] <cables> I just did a fresh install of Feisty Beta, and the updater says that some packages cannot be authenticated.
[09:06] <cables> Can anyone explain that?
[09:07] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: rtorrent is another good torrent click, it's a terminal client though, but has very small system requirements
[09:08] <davisc> nomasteryoda: And the answer to my question is, it's painful under AMD64 :-(
[09:08] <Woody_> hello vio
[09:08] <Woody_> vio: remember me with the nvidia driver problem?
[09:08] <vio> Woody_: hey
[09:08] <vio> Woody_:  yeah, i'm a little busy at the moment, how did it go?
[09:09] <Woody_> someone gave me the commands, they didnt work. or i dont know how to make them work
[09:09] <cables> Should I install the updates? I just did a fresh install of Feisty Beta and I'm getting a message that some packages could not be authenticated.
[09:09] <Woody_> vio: im on LIVE CD right now
[09:09] <dystopianray_> Woody_: i gave you the commands
[09:09] <Woody_> vio: can you help me with it?
[09:09] <Woody_> dystopianray_: yeah dystopianray_, brother the commands are wrong i think
[09:09] <dystopianray_> Woody_: what problem did you have with them?
[09:10] <Woody_> i cannot type: $ sudo -w /ect/w11/xorg.conf
[09:10] <Woody_> it says that: sudo:illegal option "w"
[09:10] <dystopianray_> Woody_: sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:10] <Woody_> dystopianray_: anyway, I am on LiveCD
[09:10] <Woody_> I hope you can help me here
[09:10] <dystopianray_> Woody_: ok, what device is the ubuntu partition?
[09:10] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: I'll check it out
[09:11] <Woody_> dystopianray_: its on partition D: (i dont know if thats a good answer to your ques.)
[09:11] <zPacKRat> kothz: I would reinstall it, It works fine for me, with some mouse issues. as in no mouse on vista desktops
[09:11] <dystopianray_> Woody_: no I don't care what windows thinks right now
[09:11] <Woody_> dystopianray_: i do not know
[09:11] <dystopianray_> Woody_: can you pastebin the output of 'fdisk -l'
[09:11] <Woody_> okay 1 moment
[09:12] <[miles] > guys, im getting  5412 root      25   0 69480  50m 5652 R 74.2  3.3   6:44.06 Xorg
[09:12] <[miles] > 74% is high as hell
[09:13] <xipietotec> I'm having some problems, basically if for any reason my session crashes, when I reload it tries to load everything I have open...and it mostly succeeds except it fails to load beryl correctly of course, which means it usually crashes a few times before I finally get everything fixed. How do I turn this behavior off?
[09:13] <Woody_> dystopianray_: i should open a terminal and type in "fdisk -l"
[09:13] <Woody_> is that it?
[09:13] <dystopianray_> Woody_: yes, then pastebin the output
[09:13] <Woody_> im not getting any output dystopianray_
[09:14] <Woody_> i type "fdisk -l" enter, it just goes to a new line
[09:14] <dystopianray_> Woody_: sudo fdisk -l
[09:14] <Woody_> Disk /dev/hda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes
[09:14] <Woody_> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders
[09:14] <Woody_> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[09:14] <Woody_>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:14] <Woody_> /dev/hda1   *           1        2550    20482843+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[09:14] <Woody_> /dev/hda2            2551        9729    57665317+  83  Linux
[09:14] <Woody_> thats it dystopianray_ :)
[09:15] <dystopianray_> !pastebin | Woody_
[09:15] <ubotu> Woody_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:15] <Woody_> oh im sorry
[09:15] <dystopianray_> Woody_: but anyway run this: $ mkdir /media/temp ; sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/temp
[09:16] <dystopianray_> Woody_: wait, put a sudo in front of that mkdir
[09:16] <Woody_> okay sir
[09:18] <Woody_> i did it dystopianray_
[09:18] <dystopianray_> Woody_: ok, now run this $ sudo gedit /media/temp/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:19] <_4str1> kate ...
[09:19] <_4str1> :p
[09:19] <dystopianray_> _4str1: i think he's on ubuntu
[09:19] <_4str1> ha ok
[09:19] <Woody_> dystopianray_: mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/temp': File exists
[09:20] <Woody_> mount: /dev/hda2 already mounted or /media/temp busy
[09:20] <Woody_> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda2 is already mounted on /media/temp
[09:20] <dystopianray_> Woody_: you only need to run it once
[09:20] <_4str1> Woody_: you do it twice ?
[09:20] <Woody_> no
[09:20] <dystopianray_> Woody_: $ sudo gedit /media/temp/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:20] <Woody_> only once
[09:20] <dystopianray_> Woody_: you did it twice
[09:20] <Woody_> oh i did? :(
[09:20] <dystopianray_> Woody_: but it doesn't matter run the command I just said
[09:20] <_4str1> sure ;)
[09:20] <Woody_> yeah
[09:21] <Woody_> yeah
[09:21] <locolbd> can anyone tell me why my wirless connection disconnects, when my computer is idle, also when i click on network selector, it does not recognize my wireless connection unless i restart ubuntu
[09:21] <Woody_> i got the xorg.conf
[09:22] <dystopianray_> Woody_: ok, now if you scroll down a bit you'll see a line that says: Driver "nvidia"
[09:23] <Woody_> yeah
[09:23] <Woody_> i changed it to "nv"
[09:23] <dystopianray_> Woody_: ok, now save it and reboot
[09:23] <Woody_> wow amazing!
[09:23] <_4str1> lol
[09:24] <_4str1> terminal powa effects !
[09:24] <Woody_> dystopianray_: so if i get this black screen next time, i just have to type in: $ sudo gedit /media/temp/etc/x11/xorg.conf ?????
[09:24] <zPacKRat> Woody: just ctl+alt+backspace
[09:24] <dystopianray_> Woody_: after mounting the partition, yes
[09:24] <_4str1> zPacKRat: lol he is on a liveCD
[09:25] <dystopianray_> zPacKRat: he's editing his ubuntu install from the livecd
[09:25] <zPacKRat> oh
[09:25] <Woody_> when im on ubuntu, ill be back here
[09:25] <zPacKRat> my bad
[09:25] <Woody_> you have to help me guys get my driver for the nvidia geforce 4
[09:25] <Woody_> im finding trouble getting it
[09:25] <dystopianray_> you only need to install nvidia-glx
[09:25] <Woody_> these are my first days with Linux, don't worry ill become a good one in the coming days :D
[09:26] <enyc> !nvidia | Woody_
[09:26] <ubotu> Woody_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:26] <Woody_> nvidia-glx doesnt work with geforce 4
[09:26] <Woody_> i need the other one
[09:26] <dystopianray_> Woody_: yes it does
[09:26] <dystopianray_> Woody_: nvidia-glx-new is the one that doesnt' work with geforce4
[09:26] <Woody_> nvidia-glx made me the problems
[09:26] <dystopianray_> Woody_: have you fully updated your feisty install?
[09:26] <Woody_> there is another one, i forgot its name
[09:27] <Woody_> ah, no dystopianray_ i didnt
[09:27] <Woody_> its more than 300Megs
[09:27] <dystopianray_> ok then you are probably before the introduction of nvidia-glx-new, so you have to use nvidia-glx-legacy
[09:27] <enyc> Woody_: there should be a feisty RC disk soon...  If you are newish to ""linux"" systems, I suggest you wait for feisty release disk and start from there...
[09:28] <Woody_> ah
[09:28] <Woody_> yeah legacy thats it dystopianray_
[09:28] <enyc> Woody_: originally planned for  Thursday... shouldnt be too long ;-)
[09:29] <dystopianray_> Woody_: after you update your feisty, or install using the RC or final, then you should use nvidia-glx
[09:29] <Woody_> is it easy to get the legacy?
[09:29] <dystopianray_> Woody_: $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[09:29] <Woody_> is legacy good?
[09:29] <dystopianray_> Woody_: no, but it will work with your hardware
[09:29] <dystopianray_> Woody_: you won't have to use legacy when you next update your feisty
[09:31] <Woody_> does beryl and compiz work with legacy?
[09:31] <dystopianray_> Woody_: no
[09:31] <dystopianray_> Woody_: you will need a newer feisty to use beryl
[09:31] <dystopianray_> or compiz
[09:31] <vieirar> Hi I added a new disk to my system and made the proper changes to grub. Linux use to be installed on (hd0,0) now it is on (hd1,0). however whenever I update my kernel grub revertsback to (hd0,0) and I have to manually fix. What file keeps telling it to change my menu.lst to (hd0,0) for all my kernels?
[09:31] <Woody_> ah
[09:32] <enyc> vieirar: see comments in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:32] <Woody_> when is the official release date of FF?
[09:32] <vio> when is the R.C coming out 1-3 days still?
[09:32] <enyc> Woody_: I _told_you_already_ !
[09:32] <enyc> vio: any day now ;-)
[09:32] <vieirar> enyc, OK I will look there. I do change menu.lst each time never really read all comments
[09:32] <enyc> vio: they have been having trouble and putting in later kernel etc.
[09:33] <enyc> vieirar: erm there are commented bits in the ***BEGIN AUTOMAGIC***
[09:33] <vio> that's great, i hope they manage :)
[09:33] <enyc> vieirar: # groot=(hd0,0)
[09:33] <vieirar> enyc, cool looking now thanks
[09:33] <enyc> vieirar: those _comments_ are USED by "update-grub" but of course grub ignores them
[09:34] <enyc> vieirar: NB **** to check if its doing the right thing -- do "sudo update-grub" and see if it puts (hd1,0) in the right place
[09:34] <enyc> vieirar: you follow?
[09:34] <zaggynl> is microphone support broken in feisty currently?
[09:35] <enyc> zaggynl: unknown... is you mic muted/disabled ?
[09:35] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: depends on your soundcard
[09:35] <zaggynl> fully enabled, slided up
[09:35] <zaggynl> unmuted..etc
[09:35] <enyc> zaggynl: master input volime too?
[09:35] <soundray> I
[09:35] <zaggynl> if I breath into my microphone I can hear it from my headset
[09:36] <enyc> zaggynl: thats passthrough volume...
[09:36] <enyc> zaggynl: not the "recording" volume
[09:36] <soundray> I'm trying to run gdb in feisty, and it tries to call a binary called /bin/ex -- apt-file can
[09:36] <soundray> I'm trying to run gdb in feisty, and it tries to call a binary called /bin/ex -- apt-file can't find it. What is /bin/ex please?
[09:36] <zaggynl> enyc, capture slider is all up to 100/100
[09:36] <enyc> zaggynl: heh ... actually I dont use recording in linux at the moment so I dont really know what to say
[09:37] <zaggynl> ah np :)
[09:37] <gils> i am noticing that there have been no updates at all today since yesterday.....anyone?
[09:37] <enyc> gils: probably busy testing in canonical?
[09:37] <dystopianray_> gils: all the updates are listed here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/date.html
[09:37] <vieirar> enyc, That was it THANKS!!
[09:37] <dystopianray_> gils: I told you this earlier today
[09:37] <enyc> vieirar:  ?????
[09:37] <gils> yes i know
[09:37] <gils> i am being impatient
[09:37] <enyc> vieirar: aaaah groot
[09:37] <vieirar> enyc, the groot=
[09:37] <enyc> vieirar: yes
[09:38] <aaroncampbell> When will feisty be released?
[09:39] <gils> dystopianray_: thank you sir
[09:39] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: sometime in the next 2 weeks
[09:39] <jhutchins> aaroncampbell: Been to the web site lately?
[09:39] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray_: ok, I had read the 19th before
[09:39] <Woody_> dystopianray_: im going to reboot now, thanks a lot. i really appreciate it
[09:39] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: well considering that the RC has not yet been released, I highly doubt that it will be released on the 19th
[09:40] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins: I always go to kubuntu.org...I just went to ubuntu's site, and see the countdown...4 days!
[09:41] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins: not checking was dumb on my part.  Thanks for helping out anyway
[09:41] <ROnewbie> crimsun: still busy ?
[09:41] <dystopianray_> aaroncampbell: it's probably incorrect
[09:46] <CapaH> If I install the iso for Feisty Fawn what will it do to my existing installation/files/etc ?
[09:46] <shatrat> CapaH, well, you can do an upgrade and it will just update all the packages to the new version
[09:47] <shatrat> CapaH, you dont even need the iso for that, you can do that with the update utility
[09:47] <ROnewbie> !paste | ronewbie
[09:47] <shatrat> !upgrade
[09:47] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:47] <CapaH> What is the best way to go from Edgy to Feisty? to use the .iso ?
[09:47] <lm_> hey there, can anybody here tell me if its possible to UNMOUNT the root partition manually and then resize it with gparted?
[09:48] <shatrat> Back up anything you cant afford to lose, adn then use the update utility like in the instructions.  If there is a problem you might need to do a fresh feisty install but hopefully that isn't necessary
[09:48] <lm_> whilst using it?
[09:48] <shatrat> lm_, I dont think so.  I'd just use a liveCD or something
[09:48] <dystopianray_> lm_: no, you must use a livecd to resize root
[09:48] <lm_> damnit
[09:48] <ryanakca> is it in any way, shape, or form (I know, not recommended) to upgrade from debian sarge to ubuntu feisty?
[09:49] <dystopianray_> ryanakca: anything is possible, but installing feisty would probalby be a hell of a lot easier than attempting that
[09:49] <ryanakca> lol, yeah
[09:49] <CarlFK> apt-get update seems stuck on: 99% [18 Sources bzip20] 
[09:49] <shatrat> ryanakca, no.  You could back up your personal files and program settingsf rom your home and they would work in ubuntu, but theres certainly no upgrade path between distros
[09:49] <CarlFK> for over 2 min now
[09:49] <mc44> ryanakca: Im willing to be it is possible. How is a totally different matter :)
[09:50] <mc44> *bet
[09:50] <dystopianray_> CarlFK: stop it and try again
[09:50] <ryanakca> shatrat: kk... just wondering... because ubuntu is about 95-99% debian... we sync, merge, etc.
[09:50] <ryanakca> (well, the % is a bit of an exageration, but you get the point.)
[09:50] <mc44> ryanakca: except sarge is a lot lot older than feisty
[09:50] <ryanakca> well, etch
[09:51] <mc44> well etch probably wouldnt be too painful if you knew what you were doing. :p
[09:51] <ryanakca> lol
[09:51] <CarlFK> dystopianray_: thnaks - that did the trick
[09:51] <ryanakca> just rebooting vmware from a feisty cd is probably easiest
[09:52] <RedRose> how can i have beryl start when Gnome does(through GDM)?
[09:52] <shatrat> RedKrieg, add it to your System -> PRefs -> Session -> Startup programs
[09:52] <shatrat> RedRose, ^^ that was for you.  add 'beryl-manager'
[09:53] <enyc> Seemngly there has just been an update ... "update-manager" ... evidently the system is being worked on ;-)
[09:54] <lm_> !fstab
[09:54] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[09:54] <RedRose> shatrat, That Did It, Tyvm
[09:59] <awkorama> hi allz
[10:00] <CapaH> Will anything in my existing Ubuntu Edgy stop working once I put on Feisty such as drivers etc?
[10:00] <dystopianray_> CapaH: difficult to predict
[10:11] <kmaynard> will desktop effects work with nvidia-legacy?
[10:12] <cables> I love the new Glossy theme... what's it based on?
[10:12] <kmaynard> i'd update to find out, but i'm scared to update :)
[10:12] <dystopianray_> kmaynard: no
[10:12] <preglow> looks like human with other colours
[10:12] <kmaynard> dystopianray_, will they ever?
[10:13] <dystopianray_> kmaynard: no, you will need new hardware
[10:13] <cables> preglow, but it's... glossier. I guess that can be achieved with other colors though :)
[10:13] <kmaynard> well dang
[10:13] <preglow> cables: heh, dunno, but it sure looks human derived
[10:13] <dystopianray_> kmaynard: what card do you have?
[10:13] <kmaynard> dystopianray_, that doesnt make sense. worked fine in edgy
[10:13] <preglow> anyone know when restricted modules will be available for the lowlatency kernel?
[10:14] <cables> I've always been curious... what IS a low-latency kernel?
[10:14] <kmaynard> dystopianray_, i'll have to look when i get home. not fussing at you, just wondering why the difference.
[10:14] <profoX`> Is it just me or doesn't network-manager work with Wireless networks anymore? If I rightclick the applet I can only enable networking, but not wireless networking (the option is.. gone?)
[10:14] <dystopianray_> kmaynard: you must have been using xgl in edgy, you can still use it in fesity, but nvidia-legacy will never support aiglx
[10:14] <kmaynard> garrr
[10:15] <profoX`> cables: faster response times, but it also has disadvantages
[10:15] <kmaynard> i'm not gonna get a newer card just so my windows will wobble
[10:15] <cables> profoX`, faster response times for what?
[10:15] <dystopianray_> kmaynard: if your card is so old that you need the legacy kernel, then compiz/beryl will probably run horribly anyway
[10:15] <kmaynard> dystopianray_, worked fine in edgy, and when i first moved to feisty.
[10:15] <kmaynard> then some odd updated broke it
[10:15] <dystopianray_> kmaynard: you must have been using xgl
[10:16] <kmaynard> maybe so
[10:17] <kmaynard> could i use an older driver and squeak by maybe?
[10:17] <dystopianray_> kmaynard: an older driver is going to support even less features
[10:17] <dystopianray_> kmaynard: no driver before and including nvidia-legacy will ever support aiglx
[10:17] <profoX`> cables: uses more CPU, but applications respond faster...
[10:18] <kmaynard> can i sacrifice a chicken and arrange the bones just so?
[10:18] <dystopianray_> kmaynard: sacrifice some money and get a newer video card
[10:18] <profoX`> cables: is used primarily for audio development (need lowlatency there between the applications)
[10:18] <kmaynard> ha
[10:18] <cables> profoX`, ah, makes sense.
[10:18] <cables> profoX`, so faster interprocess communication?
[10:19] <profoX`> cables: yea, or that's what they made me believe :)
[10:19] <cables> profoX`, okay :)
[10:20] <profoX`> Question: has something changed in network-manager recently? The Wireless Network enable/disable tickbox is gone
[10:20] <dystopianray_> profoX`: do you actually have a wireless interface?
[10:20] <dystopianray_> profoX`: or is that interface in /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:20] <profoX`> dystopianray_: yes I have a wireless interface; no it's not in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:21] <profoX`> dystopianray_: it used to work fine too, but after some update a few days ago, I got this behaviour.. I just updated again today.. still the same
[10:21] <dystopianray_> profoX`: file a bug report
[10:21] <concept10> How do I find out what config file GDM uses on boot?
[10:23] <xonecas> Hey, I'm running feisty live cd, and there is 2 things wrong, my screen resolution is stuck at 1024x768 should be 1280x800) and my wireless (broadcom4311) is recognized but can't connect to any network
[10:23] <xonecas> can someone help me out with this ?
[10:23] <Skrotffs> Is that a intel video device?
[10:23] <xonecas> yes
[10:24] <dystopianray_> xonecas: did you get firemware for your wireless card?
[10:24] <xonecas> its a dell e1505 with the intel video card and dell wireless (broadcom)
[10:24] <Skrotffs> hmm.. there's a tool for that, I just can't remember what it's called
[10:24] <xonecas> not it is like this out of the box
[10:24] <dystopianray_> xonecas: you need to either get firmware for the bcm43xx driver, or use ndiswrapper
[10:25] <xonecas> is it 915resolution ?
[10:25] <xonecas> can you direct me to it ?
[10:25] <putridp> 915resolution
[10:25] <dystopianray_> xonecas: you won't need it in a few hours
[10:25] <dystopianray_> xonecas: xserver-xorg-video-intel is in feisty now
[10:25] <xonecas> dystopianray_:  why not ?
[10:25] <dystopianray_> xonecas: which has native modesetting
[10:25] <zPacKRat> xonecas: feisty does not seem to have wide screen resolutions, as for the wireless I found a .deb package that made my bcm43xx card work.
[10:26] <xonecas> so if I install and update my video card issue will be solved ?
[10:26] <Skrotffs> is that the new intel driver?
[10:26] <dystopianray_> zPacKRat: it does, it depends on your hardware
[10:26] <dystopianray_> Skrotffs: yes
[10:26] <Skrotffs> nice
[10:26] <dystopianray_> xonecas: yes, but it may takea  couple of hours to hit all the mirrors
[10:26] <zPacKRat> ah, good to know
[10:26] <dystopianray_> xonecas: you'll have to specifically install xserver-xorg-video-intel and possibly remove xserver-xorg-video-i810
[10:26] <xonecas> I see
[10:27] <CapaH> To upgrade from Edgy to Feisty Fawn -- is it safe/recommended to do this by booting the computer from a burned CD of the Fesity .iso ? -- is another way preferred/why ?
[10:27] <dystopianray_> xonecas: current driver uses the bios to set video modes, 915resolution patches the bios to have additional modes, the new intel driver no longer uses the bios so can set any resolution
[10:28] <dystopianray_> !upgrade | CapaH
[10:28] <ubotu> CapaH: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:28] <crimsun> and more importantly, -intel programs the timings correctly, which 915resolution utterly neglects
[10:29] <xonecas> ok so its just a matter of waiting
[10:29] <crimsun> yes, it's awaiting binary NEW
[10:29] <xonecas> now how about the broadcom wireless ?
[10:29] <crimsun> source is already available; you can apt-get -b source if you feel so inclined
[10:29] <dystopianray_> xonecas: you will need firmware for bcm43xx or ndiswrapper
[10:29] <xonecas> do you know where to get the firmware and how to apply it ?
[10:29] <xonecas> (or a link that explains it ?)\
[10:30] <dystopianray_> xonecas: no, but I know how to work ndiswrapper which usually has much better results
[10:30] <dystopianray_> xonecas: but you need the .sys and .inf file from a windows driver for your wireless card to use ndiswrapper
[10:30] <xonecas> care to help me out with ndiswrapper then ?
[10:30] <xonecas> I have them
[10:31] <dystopianray_> xonecas: ok, install ndiswrapper-common
[10:31] <dystopianray_> xonecas: create the file /etc/modprobe.d/bcm43xx with the contents 'blacklist bcm43xx'
[10:32] <crochat> Hello !
[10:32] <crochat> What about sdpd (bluetooth) in Feisty ?
[10:33] <dystopianray_> crochat: what about it?
[10:33] <crochat> I can't see any package that contains sdpd
[10:34] <dystopianray_> crochat: it's probably in one of the bluez packages
[10:35] <xonecas> dystopianray_:  how do I create that file ? sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/bcm43xx ?
[10:35] <dystopianray_> xonecas: that will work
[10:36] <crochat> dystopianray_: In Edgy, it was in bluez-utils, but in Feisty, it doesn't appear in any package...
[10:36] <xonecas> dystopianray_:  ok installed ndiswrapper common, and blacklisted bcm43xx
[10:36] <dystopianray_> xonecas: now run $ sudo modprobe -r bcm43xx
[10:38] <xonecas> dystopianray_:  done
[10:38] <dystopianray_> xonecas: ok, now copy the .sys and .inf file to your home directory, or somewhere else where you can access them
[10:40] <xonecas> still scavaging for them in my windows partition
[10:40] <joeamined> hi everybody
[10:40] <joeamined> hi everybody
[10:41] <joeamined> le brightness applet og gnome-power-manager doesn't work on my hp dv6000
[10:41] <joeamined> any idea of how to fix it ?
[10:42] <dystopianray_> joeamined: is laptop's brightness able to be controlled via software?
[10:43] <joeamined> i don't know
[10:43] <joeamined> but i can control it through the keyboard
[10:43] <joeamined> with two special keys
[10:43] <joeamined> to increase or decrease brightness
[10:44] <joeamined> the applet says it can't retreive the screen's brightness
[10:44] <dystopianray_> joeamined: there may not be support for adjusting your laptop's display brightness in ubuntu
[10:44] <joeamined> i think it's a problem related to gnome
[10:45] <joeamined> because the applet is furnished by gnome
[10:48] <xonecas> dystopianray_:  i can't find the .inf file
[10:48] <dystopianray_> xonecas: should be in c:\windows\system32\drivers\
[10:48] <xonecas> ok
[10:48] <xonecas> got it
[10:48] <dystopianray_> xonecas: usually the same name as the .sys file but with .inf extension
[10:48] <xonecas> copied to my home folder
[10:49] <dystopianray_> xonecas: ok no go into your home dir and type 'sudo ndiswrapper -i blah.inf' (whatever the inf was called)
[10:49] <Assim> so hows the second RC going ?
[10:49] <dystopianray_> Assim: there hasn't been a first RC
[10:50] <Assim> oh but topic say RC needs testing ?
[10:50] <dystopianray_> Assim: candidates for the RC
[10:50] <Assim> lol ok
[10:51] <mc44> RCC if you will
[10:51] <Assim> think i'll stay away from that one :P
[10:52] <xonecas> dystopianray_:  sudo: ndiswrapper command not found
[10:52] <dystopianray_> xonecas: you sure you installed ndiswrapper-common ?
[10:52] <xonecas> yes
[10:53] <dystopianray_> xonecas: it comes from that package
[10:53] <xonecas> i did it in the terminal
[10:53] <xonecas> let me check synaptic
[10:54] <xonecas> I did something wrong
[10:54] <xonecas> i'm installing from synaptic now
[10:55] <xonecas> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-common_1.30-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:55] <xonecas>   404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.89.6 80] 
[10:56] <Jordan_U> xonecas, Do you have a broadcom card?
[10:56] <xonecas> yes
[10:56] <dystopianray_> xonecas: do $ sudo apt-get update
[10:56] <dystopianray_> xonecas: then upgrade ndiswrapper
[10:56] <Jordan_U> xonecas, You probably don't need or want NDIS wrapper then
[10:57] <dystopianray_> xonecas: well, install it i mean
[10:57] <dystopianray_> jonathaN: bcm43xx barely works
[10:57] <dystopianray_> whoops that was meant for Jordan_U
[10:57] <Jordan_U> dystopianray_, I thought that Feisty had a new version that supported the newest firmware, or is that going to be Feisty+1 ?
[10:58] <dystopianray_> Jordan_U: no idea, all i know is that lots of people complaing of bcm43xx not working and ndiswrapper works great
[10:58] <xonecas> well feisty recognized the card from the start, that is an improvement from edgy
[10:58] <Jordan_U> dystopianray_, That has to do with the fact that you used to have to use old firmware with bcm43xx, the drivers were fine, the firmware was unstable
[10:59] <xonecas> it just wont find any wireless networks
[10:59] <dystopianray_> xonecas: well hurry up and run $ sudo apt-get update
[10:59] <dystopianray_> xonecas: and then install ndiswrapper
[10:59] <Jordan_U> xonecas, My suggestion would be to try installing fwcutter, it can't hurt and is much more official than ndiswrapper
[11:00] <xonecas> let me finish trying ndiswrapper
[11:00] <xonecas> if it doesn't work
[11:00] <xonecas> I'll give fwcutter another chance
[11:00] <dystopianray_> xonecas: ndiswrapper should work, bcm43xx rarely works properly
[11:00] <xonecas> yes I know
[11:00] <dystopianray_> xonecas: and AFAIK it doesn't support WPA
[11:00] <Jordan_U> xonecas, I have heard of people having problems going back to native drivers after ndiswrapper.
[11:00] <dystopianray_> Jordan_U: that's becuase the native drivers dont' work properly
[11:01] <xonecas> jordan can you guide me trought it ?
[11:01] <Jordan_U> dystopianray_, It does, and again, that was the older version, and it was the FIRMWARE
[11:01] <dystopianray_> xonecas: keep going with ndiswrapper and try bcm43xx if that doesn't work
[11:01] <xonecas> yes that is what i'm doing
[11:01] <Jordan_U> xonecas, sudo apt-get install bcm43xxfwcutter , thats all you need to do ( if you have the universe repo enabled )
[11:02] <xonecas> Jordan_U:  ok let me just finish trying ndiswrapper
[11:02] <dystopianray_> xonecas: do you have ndiswrapper-common installed yet?
[11:02] <xonecas> dystopianray_:  just did
[11:02] <xonecas> what next ?
[11:02] <xonecas> ndiwrapper utils ?
[11:02] <dystopianray_> xonecas: now run $ sudo ndiswrapper -i blah.inf (whatever the inf was called)
[11:03] <xonecas> Error: no versions of ndiswrapper found!
[11:04] <xonecas> dystopianray_:  it needed the ndiswrapper-utils
[11:04] <xonecas> now it worked
[11:04] <xonecas> next step ?
[11:04] <dystopianray_> xonecas: modprobe ndiswrapper
[11:04] <dystopianray_> with sudo
[11:05] <xonecas> done
[11:05] <dystopianray_> xonecas: now you should have working wireless
[11:05] <xonecas> I DO !!
[11:05] <xonecas> yeah !
[11:05] <xonecas> :D
[11:05] <xonecas> thanks dystopianray_
[11:05] <dystopianray_> xonecas: add a new line to /etc/modules that just says 'ndiswrapper'
[11:06] <zaggynl> how do I give my apache2 server rights to the /tmp directory?
[11:11] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: any process should be able to use /tmp
[11:12] <zaggynl> I'm using the frontend for hellanzb, but it can't/won't move a file from /tmp to it's download directory
[11:12] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: is the file readable by the user that apache is running as?
[11:13] <zaggynl> no clue
[11:13] <dystopianray_> zaggynl: what permissions does the file have?
[11:14] <zaggynl> I'm getting more confused
[11:14] <zaggynl> it's a fileupload form that should upload an nzb file
[11:14] <zaggynl> but there's nothing in /tmp
[11:15] <atselby> I just downloaded the 7 so updates for todaym, 30 something mb, and it says I need a system restart. Is this update safe or is it like the last kernel update/
[11:15] <TMH_> hi. I've upgraded my kernel, patched it and used mkinitramfs to make an initrd for it
[11:15] <TMH_> however, initrd is now complaining that my modules.dep file does not exist
[11:15] <TMH_> despite the fact that it does
[11:15] <dystopianray_> atselby: was there kernel update?
[11:15] <atselby> For today, i believe so because its asking for a reboot.
[11:16] <dystopianray_> atselby: -15.27 is the latest and should be fine
[11:16] <atselby> dystopianray_: how can icheck what it just installed? i'm not familar with where hte logs are.
[11:18] <Jordan_U> atselby, I have all updates and everything is working fine, even after a reboot, worst case you choose an older kernel image from grub and some modules might not work.
[11:19] <atselby> jordan_U: yeah, I was just curious mostly. Okay thanks.
[11:19] <atselby> I just got a little leery over the last one..
[11:19] <xonecas> Jordan_U could you show me the command to get fwcutter working ?
[11:19] <zaggynl> Aren't usb device supposed to be automatically mounted?
[11:20] <TheSilentW> hello everyone, anyone has or can explain me how to install emule xtreme mod on ubuntu? normal emule gets loads of junk, and this xtreme mod has functions agaisnt it
[11:20] <zaggynl> !usb
[11:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <Jordan_U> xonecas, sudo apt-get install bcm43xxfwcutter or just install fwcutter from synaptic, it will ask you if you want to automatically get the firmware for your card, choose yes
[11:20] <TheSilentW> zaggynl yes, mine is
[11:20] <xonecas> Jordan_U:  thanks
[11:21] <zaggynl> my usbstick won't mount :/
[11:21] <TheSilentW> zaggynl does your pen has those new auto bypasses for windows, that fool the OS into thinking is a autorun cd ?
[11:21] <zaggynl> I deleted that
[11:21] <zaggynl> I think it's corrupted or something, can't even manuall mount
[11:21] <TheSilentW> well
[11:21] <TheSilentW> it is not just files
[11:22] <TheSilentW> it is in the boot section of the usb drive
[11:22] <xonecas> dystopianray_:  by any chance do you kept a log of our chat ? i would like to have as reference
[11:22] <TheSilentW> so, you should not have deleted it
[11:22] <zaggynl> Well, delete...I used the manufacture's removal tool.
[11:22] <TheSilentW> zaggynl, i never had such pen, but, i read alot about it, check if you can put it back, and find a workaround for linux
[11:23] <TheSilentW> zaggynl, if i remember correctly, it mounts as usb drive, then when windows finds it, it changes to
[11:23] <TheSilentW> CD type
[11:23] <TheSilentW> to make it autorun
[11:23] <zaggynl> yeah
[11:24] <TheSilentW> ubuntu might see that change as crash of the pen
[11:24] <TheSilentW> or something
[11:24] <zaggynl> It used to work on dapper
[11:24] <TheSilentW> hmm
[11:24] <zaggynl> dmesg says, 'yay! usb device'
[11:24] <TheSilentW> lol
[11:24] <Lunar_Lamp> The topic here says "release date is the week of April 19", which I find a slightly confusing date. Does this mean release is Thursday?
[11:24] <dystopianray_> xonecas: i have a log of my time spent in this channel
[11:24] <zaggynl> mount says 'broken! mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc,       missing codepage or other error"
[11:24] <TheSilentW> exactly
[11:25] <TheSilentW> windows ignores those
[11:25] <TheSilentW> ubuntu might be smarter
[11:25] <TheSilentW> well, i am new to linux, so i cant really help you
[11:25] <`sam`> Lunar_Lamp, i think that just means it will be released sometime this week
[11:26] <TheSilentW> just general info xD
[11:26] <Lunar_Lamp> `sam`, is there any target date that is public though?
[11:26] <`sam`> Lunar_Lamp, all i know is what people are saying in this channel and in the topic
[11:27] <Lunar_Lamp> ok :-)
[11:27] <Lunar_Lamp> Thanks.
[11:27] <dystopianray_> Lunar_Lamp: the only known date is april 19, which it is unlikely to make
[11:27] <TheSilentW> guys, if i download the C++ sources for emule but that i think are for windows, is it possible to compile them to linux?
[11:27] <BluesKaj> I compiled wine , it installed ok, but it won't launch....anyone have this experience ?
[11:27] <void^> TheSilentW: no.
[11:27] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: you want to compile the windows source into a linux executable?
[11:27] <dystopianray_> void^: winelib could do it
[11:27] <TheSilentW> well, its emule i dont know
[11:28] <richb> BluesKaj: Won't launch?
[11:28] <TheSilentW> emule works on linux, but i really dont know if they actually work for that release
[11:28] <BluesKaj> nope
[11:28] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: winelib could possibly do it, but why bother, just get the linux source
[11:28] <TMH_> oh, also, after upgrading to feisty, i noticed that hitting ctrl-left and right in a terminal no longer skips you along a word, but echoes 5D and 5C for ctrl-left and ctrl-right into the terminal
[11:28] <BluesKaj> amule works fine
[11:28] <void^> dystopianray_: he might save himself some time and run the win32 executable in wine. or use unix software instead.
[11:28] <TMH_> i am using en-gb, if that helps
[11:28] <TMH_> the terminal i am using is gnome-terminal
[11:29] <dystopianray_> void^: yes that would be preferable
[11:29] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, i would, but the emule network is full of crap, fake downloads, etc,etc, the distro i have has some systems against those files, but they only provide windows .exes
[11:30] <arejay> I wish there was a way to set up AP priortys in network manager, it always seems to want to connect to my neighbors AP by default (because its un-secure)
[11:30] <dystopianray_> arejay: it should prioritise trusted newtorks
[11:30] <dystopianray_> networks
[11:30] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: use wine
[11:30] <arejay> dystopianray_, not for me, i hafta manually select mine, and then enter my password into my keyring manager
[11:31] <dystopianray_> arejay: does it consider your neighbour's wifi as trusted?
[11:31] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, good idea, lets see if i can get at least this working xD all my wine attempts = error
[11:31] <arejay> dystopianray_, maybe, i've connected to it before, how do i unset trusted networks?
[11:31] <dystopianray_> arejay: I only know how to do it in knetworkmanager
[11:31] <arejay> ah.
[11:31] <dystopianray_> arejay: the right-click menu has a trusted networks thing somewhere
[11:32] <`sam`> has anybody here set up a usb drive to act as a key to login?
[11:32] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: I have had lots of success with wine and various games
[11:33] <`sam`> i had it working once, but if my computer was idle and the gnome-screensaver started then i'd have to kill X to log back in, it wouldn't work from gnome-screensaver
[11:33] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, i have read that you need to custumize it, and have read that if u change the default files with true windows files u get better results, but its way out of my knowledge yet
[11:34] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: in order to get emule working?
[11:34] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, emule or other programs/games
[11:34] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, read it on a cedega flame post xD
[11:35] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1065
[11:35] <TheSilentW> nice
[11:37] <Jordan_U> `sam`, I can suggest that instead of killing X you could go to a tty and log in and kill gnome-screensaver
[11:38] <`sam`> Jordan_U, yeah that would have probably worked too, but i'd rather not have to do either
[11:38] <BluesKaj> I've followed the compile and install instructions , but wine won't run/launch , whatever the word is.
[11:39] <richb> BluesKaj: What error does it give?
[11:39] <Jordan_U> `sam`, How does the usb drive log in work? Is there simply a key / password on the root of the drive? Is this an official feature pr a hack?
[11:39] <richb> Paste it somewhere if it is multi line.
[11:39] <BluesKaj> no error ...it doesn't lasunch
[11:39] <Jordan_U> or*
[11:40] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, guess what? it run on first try, gona try to download some file :)
[11:40] <richb> BluesKaj: Mm?
[11:40] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: cool
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Usage: wine PROGRAM [ARGUMENTS...]    Run the specified program
[11:40] <BluesKaj>        wine --help                   Display this help and exit
[11:40] <BluesKaj>        wine --version                Output version information and exit
[11:40] <dystopianray_> BluesKaj: that shows it running fine
[11:40] <richb> You need to run the program
[11:40] <`sam`> Jordan_U, with pam_usb, here is where i got info on how to do it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17571
[11:40] <richb> wine somecrappywindows.exe
[11:42] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, is it possible to overrun the poor graphics it has?
[11:42] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: poor graphics?
[11:42] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, yeah, seems like an old mac 1 program
[11:43] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: it should just look like a windows program
[11:43] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, i think they call it gtk 1
[11:43] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, i know linux users think really bad of windows, but, cmon xD
[11:43] <arejay> hrm, quick question about svn, if i've already downloaded something from a svn repo is there a easy way to update the source without having to type the whole svn repo name?
[11:43] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: it has the windows classic look
[11:43] <arejay> kinda like how CVS works?
[11:44] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, windows isnt THAT bad in terms of graphics
[11:44] <crdlb> arejay, svn update
[11:44] <dystopianray_> arejay: svn update
[11:44] <arejay> doh!
[11:44] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: it's a little darker, but it's basically just windows classic
[11:44] <Jordan_U> TheSilentW, You can use windows theme files with wine, I suggest clearlooks
[11:45] <TheSilentW> Jordan_U, hmm where can i find those?
[11:46] <TheSilentW> i had a wine icon on my applications menu, but...it is gone ><
[11:46] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: you can install themes through winecfg
[11:46] <TheSilentW> and now i have a crossover program, that i think does same as whine
[11:46] <Jordan_U> TheSilentW, http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/18591720/ use winecfg to use the theme
[11:46] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, run that from console?
[11:47] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: run it from anywehre
[11:47] <TheSilentW> where else is possible to run it than console?
[11:47] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: alt+f2
[11:47] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, but i mean, does it have a gui?
[11:47] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: yes
[11:47] <TheSilentW> ok thx
[11:48] <TheSilentW> btw, i am starting to love the console
[11:48] <dystopianray_> well you should, it is very powerful
[11:48] <TheSilentW> i know
[11:48] <TheSilentW> i nearly do everything from there
[11:49] <TheSilentW> with files
[11:49] <TheSilentW> and app installs etc
[11:49] <TheSilentW> svn
[11:49] <TheSilentW> windows should have one too
[11:49] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: you can get the monad shell for windows from microsoft
[11:49] <xonecas> hello, can someone help me out partitioning my drive to install feisty ?
[11:49] <TheSilentW> its console kinda...
[11:50] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, i tryed that, but i never could get it workin
[11:50] <Jordan_U> TheSilentW, You can get Cygwin, but it's just not the same
[11:50] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, that and the XNA game dev engine, 2 thinks that rox, but could get working
[11:50] <dystopianray_> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/management/powershell/default.mspx
[11:50] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: XNA is stupid, 50MB limit and it's subscription based
[11:50] <TheSilentW> cygwin was really odd for me, i never really understood how to open it
[11:51] <arejay> How do i make a debian package out of a kernel module that i've patched myself in the linux-source?
[11:51] <arejay> anyone :)
[11:51] <TheSilentW> XNA is for windows, and for visual studio, but, if u have a full version of visual studio, payed, u cant open it, u have to download a trial version of same program
[11:51] <TheSilentW> windows vista
[11:51] <TheSilentW> i mean
[11:53] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: there is a project to implement XNA on mono
[11:53] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: http://code.google.com/p/monoxna/
[11:54] <TheSilentW> Jordan_U, that site is for a clearlooks for windows, kinda of making your windows look like linux isnt it?
[11:54] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: well you do want wine to look more like linux don't you?
[11:54] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, nice
[11:54] <TheSilentW> yes
[11:54] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: so install the them in wine
[11:55] <dystopianray_> gnome icons are so ugly though, why do they have so much brown in them?
[11:55] <TheSilentW> so, that one is for windows, but for linux?
[11:55] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: wine can use windows theme stuff
[11:55] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: install it through winecfg
[11:55] <TheSilentW> ok, btw will it change my ubuntu screen or just a wine only desktop
[11:56] <TheSilentW> never used this so
[11:56] <zPacKRat> need help getting dvd playback working with an up to date feisty install
[11:56] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW:  just wine
[11:56] <TheSilentW> ok
[11:56] <zPacKRat> I've installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdread3
[11:56] <Jordan_U> zPacKRat, install xine
[11:57] <zPacKRat> still a no go in totem
[11:57] <Jordan_U> zPacKRat, Totem-gstreamer can't do DVD's
[11:57] <Jordan_U> zPacKRat, You need to use xine VLC or Mplayer
[11:57] <zPacKRat> wow, what a pile
[11:58] <TheSilentW> Jordan_U, dystopianray_ got it installed :)
[11:58] <Jordan_U> Does Feisty use Devicescape?
[11:58] <TheSilentW> it will only update a wine window after i restart it right?
[11:59] <zPacKRat> Jordan_U: thanks!
[12:01] <RedRose> Is there any way i can build a module for modprobe without having to recompile the entire kernel?
[12:02] <Stormx2> RedRose: You don't need to recompile it do you? You just need the source
[12:02] <Vanuatoo> When I try to boot 7.04 livecd it dumps to shell
[12:02] <Vanuatoo> I've got Asus P5B Deluxe Motherboard
[12:02] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: what video card do you have?
[12:02] <RedRose> Stormx2, Idk... Lol... truecrypt needs a kernel module, and all the guides say i need to recompile to kernel to get a .mo file
[12:02] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: I've got Nvidia 7600GS
[12:03] <Vanuatoo> I don't think it's related to video
[12:03] <BluesKaj> ok dystopianray_ here's the errors generated upon launching wine and IE from the Konsole :  http://www.pastebin.ca/443619
[12:03] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[12:03] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: same symptoms for gentoo livecd that does not use X at all
[12:03] <dystopianray_> BluesKaj: use ies4linux
[12:04] <|NewUser|> When ever i start my Fiesty in start its got stuck on " checking file system " and after that.. " dosfsck 2,11, 17 Apr 2007, fat32, LFN. No FSINFO sector NOt automatically creating it, /dev/sda1: 1000054 files, 667795/126655 " this happens with all FAT32 Partition coz of this my startup is too much slow :< what should i do ? to fix it?
[12:04] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: well I need more information to know why X doesn't start
[12:04] <crdlb> Vanuatoo, what symptoms are those?
[12:04] <Vanuatoo> some strange errors and dumping to single user shell
[12:05] <BluesKaj> dystopianray_, it's merely an example of the problem...I don't really need to IE ...get it ?
[12:05] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: pastebin the errors
[12:05] <dystopianray_> BluesKaj: what problem?
[12:05] <iocaste> anyone know where Pan stores subscribed newsgroups? i've upgraded to Feisty and I've lost my subscriptions. Thought there may be a .newsrc file but there's nothing there.
[12:05] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: I can't save that errors
[12:05] <Vanuatoo> how do I pastebin them
[12:05] <Vanuatoo> write down with the pen?
[12:05] <dystopianray_> !pastebin | Vanuatoo
[12:05] <ubotu> Vanuatoo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:05] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: yeah that'll work
[12:06] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, how do i make linux auto open a .exe file with wine?
[12:06] <Vanuatoo> I know that it's related to ICH8R chipset
[12:06] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: change your file associations so wine handles .exe files
[12:06] <Vanuatoo> IDE Controller
[12:06] <|NewUser|> can someone help ?
[12:06] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: are you using the latest daily livecd snapshot?
[12:07] <|NewUser|> my fiesty get hang on startup
[12:07] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, yeah, but i never did that, where can i do that?
[12:07] <Vanuatoo> and that support has been added in 2.6.20 kernels
[12:07] <RedRose> I have a problem with my audio, where it will not play loud. Or "Normal". I have to run a command
[12:07] <RedRose> gnome-volume-manager
[12:07] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: I don't know how to do it in gnome
[12:07] <crdlb> TheSilentW, right click on an .exe and click properties
[12:07] <RedRose> Wrong command... kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*) ; sudo modprobe -r$
[12:07] <crdlb> then look on the open with tab
[12:07] <TheSilentW> ok, thx crdlb
[12:07] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: I'm going to wait for the final release and try that
[12:07] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: feisty uses 2.6.20
[12:07] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: what release are you using now?
[12:08] <Vanuatoo> I'm using Windows vista right now :)
[12:08] <Vanuatoo> And want to get rid of it
[12:08] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: what release did you use that didn't work?
[12:08] <misfit-toy> the silence is deafening, with the latest kernel and nvidia-glx running on this old laptop, my fans are no longer blaring all day long, it's quiet as a mouse, very cool.
[12:08] <Vanuatoo> But unfortunately no linux can be installed on my computer
[12:08] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: what feisty release did you use?
[12:08] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: I used 7.04 alpha and 7.04 beta
[12:08] <RedRose> Grrrr... kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*) ; sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo modprobe snd-hda-codec && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto
[12:09] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: if you try a daily livecd snapshot you might be able ot get a fix in before the final
[12:09] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: Could you please tell me from where should I download it?
[12:09] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Vanuatoo, don't bother asking questions in here ...the only answers you're going to get from him are more questions
[12:10] <|NewUser|> can i repeat my question or wait for someone will reply ?
[12:10] <dystopianray_> BluesKaj: hey I've helped a lot of people in here today, you're just an idiot who doesn't ask questions properly
[12:10] <TheVault> I really need some help. When I finally gotten Ndiswrapper working with my driver, Network Manager automatically picked up the settings & things and I have wireless. When I first connected to my wireless network, the keyring manager asked me for a password to save the password for my connection. So now everytime I boot into Ubuntu, the first thing the pops up is the keyring manager, is there anyway to keep the password or to stor
[12:10] <TheVault> e my main master password or something so that stops popping up everytime I boot into Ubuntu?
[12:11] <misfit_toy> TheVault, there is a workaround for that, let me see if I can find it....
[12:12] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: there will likely only be minor package updates from the latest snapshot to the feisty final, so updating to final will be easy if that installs
[12:12] <TheVault> misfit_toy: Thank you. So what I'm trying to do, say my password is 12345(its not) and instead of me entering it in each time, its already entered in and it automatically logs me into my wireless
[12:12] <greig_> whats the chances of a web cam driver working on fiesty when it didnt work on 6.10??
[12:13] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: although, you say that it only gives you a shell when you boot the livecd?
[12:13] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: try updating the nv driver on the livecd and starting X again
[12:13] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: $ sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv
[12:13] <TheVault> greig_:No idea. Wish I could help you. I tried getting a webcam to work in 6.10 and had absolutely no luck
[12:13] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: The problem is not in X
[12:14] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: how can it not be X if X doens't start?
[12:14] <greig_> thevault : it wasnt a trust web cam by anychance was it?
[12:14] <misfit-toy> TheVault, http://johnny.chadda.se/2007/02/21/unlock-the-gnome-keyring-upon-login/
[12:14] <Vanuatoo> I will post the errors in here tom through pastebin
[12:14] <richb> greig_: Google to see if there is a driver for it.
[12:14] <TheVault> greig_: No, it was a longitech quickcam
[12:14] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: So you're saying that if the installer has a problem it must be X?
[12:14] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: you said that you get a shell from the livecd, so use that to run the commands i suggested
[12:14] <TheVault> misfit-toy: Thank you very much. Lemme see if this can cure my problem.
[12:15] <misfit-toy> TheVault, it will, and mark that site there are good tips there.
[12:15] <greig_> the vault : i'll give it a try
[12:15] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: you're saying that X does start?
[12:15] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: no
[12:15] <Vanuatoo> I'm saying that installer cannot be started
[12:15] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: what is the error?
[12:15] <Vanuatoo> The menu is displayed, I choose start or install ubuntu
[12:15] <Vanuatoo> and there are errors
[12:15] <TheVault> misfit-toy: Yeah I do bookmark all sites that I find useful, just in case I remove ubuntu for some reason, then later install it, I have all my resources all in one place
[12:15] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: I don't remember right now
[12:15] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: you said you get dumped to a single-user shell
[12:16] <|NewUser|> when ever i start my Fiesty in start its got stuck on " checking file system " and after that.. " dosfsck 2,11, 17 Apr 2007, fat32, LFN. No FSINFO sector NOt automatically creating it, /dev/sda1: 1000054 files, 667795/126655 " this happens with all FAT32 Partition coz of this my startup is too much slow :< what should i do ? to fix it? Plz Someone can help me?
[12:16] <Vanuatoo> I'll try to do the same tom and post errors
[12:16] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: at what point is it failing? while the kernel is loading?
[12:16] <misfit-toy> TheVault, I have a cron job set to copy all my bookmarks to a usb stick drive every night after bed, I"m paranoid, heheh.
[12:16] <misfit-toy> bbl
[12:17] <richb> |NewUser|: could you post your /etc/fstab somewhere?
[12:17] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: I don't remember, I did it some time ago. Just wanted to check in here if anyone get the same error with P5B Deluxe
[12:17] <TheVault> misfit-toy: Nice. Also, this is exactly what I'm looking for, Thanks for the excellent find. Now hopefully, it fixes the annoying problem
[12:17] <Vanuatoo> I've searched bugzilla but found nothing
[12:17] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: have you checked the forums or posted your own bug?
[12:17] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, about that changing wines files with real MS files, would it work?
[12:18] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: I'm going to post the bug tomorrow if anything goes wrong
[12:18] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: it can
[12:18] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_, never saw anything like it?
[12:18] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: goes wrong with the daily snapshot?
[12:18] <dystopianray_> TheSilentW: I have, but I don't know much about it
[12:18] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: exactly
[12:18] <Shaddox> I'm on the daily 20070414 snapshot.
[12:18] <TheSilentW> dystopianray_,  ok
[12:18] <TheVault> misfit-toy: So I add that codeing at the very bottom of the file its telling me to edit?
[12:18] <dystopianray_> Vanuatoo: if you had posted a bug when you first saw this issue it'd likely have been fixed already
[12:19] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray_: I'm downloading the image right now
[12:19] <|NewUser|> richb ; sure let me paste on pastebin
[12:19] <|NewUser|> richb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16027/
[12:19] <Shaddox> I need help setting my BIND up. I created a zone in Webmin, but my registrar says it's not registered as a DNS.
[12:20] <TheVault> misfit-toy: Never mind, I got it....now to see if this works
[12:21] <TheVault> misfit-toy: Sweet it works. Thanks again
[12:22] <richb> |newuser| Mm, no fat32 in there.
[12:22] <misfit-toy> TheVault, very cool, np
[12:22] <|NewUser|> richb: yes i saw that.. but i have fat32 partitions in this HD
[12:22] <TheVault> misfit-toy: Gotta love the power of google bookmarks. Works across all your computers :D
[12:22] <|NewUser|> richb: i have Vista on Fat32 And one more fat32 partition for some files.
[12:23] <misfit-toy> TheVault, yessirree
[12:23] <TheVault> :D
[12:23] <richb> |newuser| mm I don't know to be honest.
[12:23] <|NewUser|> richb: newmind dude :)
[12:23] <|NewUser|> richb:  i will try to ask.. maybe someone can help
[12:24] <richb> |NewUser|: Aye, I have not used windows for ages so I am not really qualified.
[12:24] <marshall> hey guys
[12:24] <Shaddox> I used to use windows till 3 days ago, what's the problem |Newuser| ?
[12:24] <marshall> how do you set the number of desktops in gnome?
[12:24] <marshall> i had it at 4 before but it keeps resetting to 1 on me
[12:25] <crdlb> marshall, right-click on the workspace switcher
[12:25] <|NewUser|> richb: i have redhat9 too.. in another ext3 partition.. but its fine when i start my pc thereis no fsck for ext3 partition.. but something problem with Fat32 partitions
[12:25] <marshall> crdlb: lol you mean the pager applet for the gnome panel?
[12:25] <crdlb> yes
[12:26] <richb> |NewUser|: It sounds like it is trying to be clever and mount the fat32 partitions on boot, not really sure beyond that
[12:26] <marshall> crdlb: ok, i dont have that applet running right now, do i have to have it?
[12:26] <crdlb> marshall, that's how you have to set it
[12:26] <|NewUser|> richb: so can i ? tell anyhow that dont try to mount on bootup?
[12:26] <crdlb> so I guess so
[12:27] <marshall> crdlb: ok
[12:27] <|NewUser|> richb: is there anyway ? when i boot my system. . so ubuntu just check my root / partition ?
[12:28] <richb> |NewUser|: Not sure.
[12:28] <|NewUser|> whenever i restart my computer i got this problem.. and with this.. my system get hanged for some time