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| wowow | hey guys | 05:59 |
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| wowow | installing dapper on intel chipset systems is a problem, screen goes all black 3/4'rs of the way through | 05:59 |
| wowow | and not sure how to push the install through | 05:59 |
| wowow | has anyone seen this before or knows of tips to help rectify the issue? | 05:59 |
| wowow | note: all terminals have gone black with one ... white character pixel in the middle of the screen | 05:59 |
| wowow | i've only noticed this ONLY on intel chipset mobos | 06:00 |
| wowow | anyone? | 06:00 |
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| cjwatson | wowow: xresprobe problem IIRC rather than an installer problem as such. Wait half an hour or so to make sure, and then hit Enter and it'll probably boot. | 08:54 |
| wowow | oh really? | 08:55 |
| wowow | you know what? | 08:55 |
| wowow | that worked exactly once ... didn't realize it was half hour | 08:55 |
| wowow | damn installing feisty right now ... hmm | 08:55 |
| wowow | cjwatson, thanks for the heads up! | 08:55 |
| wowow | any hint on wha tmight be going on with xres? | 08:55 |
| cjwatson | there's a bug about it somewhere (well, at least ten), but it's not my field of knowledge | 09:45 |
| cjwatson | half an hour is probably an exaggeration, but ... | 09:45 |
| snoops | evand hi - I'm wondering what your plan for the migration-assistant is? What do you envisage it becoming/doing etc? | 09:53 |
| evand | snoops: Well, I haven't written the spec for Gutsy yet, and we still need to discuss things at UDS, however there are a few things that stand out... | 10:05 |
| evand | KDE support is critical. | 10:05 |
| evand | Vista support is something I'd like to cover, which shouldn't be too hard as the registry format hasn't changed... | 10:06 |
| evand | OS X support should be feasible, but I'm willing to let that one slide if I don't find enough time for it | 10:06 |
| evand | the main thing is adding targets for Windows XP/Vista | 10:06 |
| evand | it doesn't import the actual email yet, and it doesn't import from Thunderbird | 10:07 |
| evand | there are more things that can be imported from IE, Firefox, and Opera | 10:07 |
| snoops | importing from outlook (not express) would be great - except for the silly format it uses | 10:07 |
| evand | indeed, that's a big one | 10:07 |
| snoops | I would like to try and add support for different im clients - googletalk, msn | 10:08 |
| evand | that would be great | 10:08 |
| evand | the biggest problem there has been figuring out where the password is stored and how to decode it | 10:08 |
| evand | as you can imagine, the IM clients aren't very forthcoming with that information | 10:08 |
| evand | and it's kind of sucky that it doesn't import the passwords now, as I can imagine people easily forgetting their AIM password | 10:09 |
| snoops | hehe...I can imagine | 10:09 |
| evand | GoogleTalk is something I completely forgot about | 10:09 |
| snoops | one thing I think would be great is importing your history - for instance msn saves history in xml files and applies and xslt stylesheet for viewing | 10:09 |
| evand | That would be pretty easy to pull in as the only major dependency that m-a has right now is libxml2 | 10:10 |
| evand | which makes reading such files trivial | 10:10 |
| snoops | excellent - and with that format to gaim/kopete etc | 10:11 |
| evand | I try to avoid pulling in major libraries as I'd like to see Debian use this in d-i (hopefully with the polishing for that getting done this development cycle) | 10:11 |
| evand | indeed | 10:11 |
| snoops | skype is another one | 10:11 |
| evand | definitely | 10:12 |
| evand | some people have suggested installing it as well, but I believe that's bloat. | 10:12 |
| evand | I'm willing to discuss such an idea if someoene brings it up at UDS or on the VoIP like during the m-a spec meeting at UDS | 10:13 |
| evand | s/like/line/ | 10:13 |
| snoops | perhaps making an install.sh file on the desktop to install those proprietary apps - skype, opera | 10:13 |
| evand | oh! One really big thing I forgot to mention... | 10:13 |
| evand | migration-assistant merges things | 10:13 |
| snoops | oh? | 10:14 |
| evand | so for IM clients it looks in the Gaim accounts file, sees if the account is there, if not, it puts it in | 10:14 |
| evand | it doesn't just copy things 1-to-1 | 10:14 |
| evand | which can be difficult, but really increases the things we can do with it | 10:14 |
| snoops | yep I agree with that | 10:14 |
| evand | I'd prefer actually installing the packages over a script that does it, but I'm still quite weary of that. | 10:15 |
| snoops | what's the gui for it like (sorry I haven't tried feisty yet)? Are there a bunch of tick boxes for what you want to import? | 10:15 |
| snoops | or is it just - try to import everything | 10:15 |
| evand | http://evalicious.com/migration-assistant.png | 10:15 |
| snoops | superb | 10:16 |
| evand | it looks slightly different now | 10:16 |
| evand | there's an explanation that those boxes on the bottom are for the account you're importing into | 10:16 |
| snoops | oh, itunes importing would be a valuable one, as well as winamp | 10:17 |
| evand | you can import multiple accounts from multiple operating systems into a single account or as many accounts as you'd like | 10:17 |
| snoops | the winamp one would be good, since you can read the playlist file for all the locations of files | 10:17 |
| evand | it actually already imports from iTunes in that iTunes puts all your music in My Music and it copies that | 10:17 |
| evand | I'll look into what winamp does though | 10:17 |
| snoops | I'd really like to help out with this - migration is something I personally believe can be improved a lot | 10:21 |
| snoops | how about things like network settings | 10:21 |
| evand | you're more than welcome to branch off of trunk and develop from there, then let me know the url so I can merge it into trunk where necessary | 10:22 |
| evand | network settings is definitely on the list | 10:22 |
| evand | whether to stop at wireless settings or do something crazier like windows domain membership remains to be seen | 10:22 |
| snoops | is the list in your head or is there a a todo list? | 10:23 |
| evand | I have a tomboy note for it, which I'll pretty soon convert into a spec for Gutsy | 10:23 |
| evand | or at least the draft for one | 10:23 |
| evand | I don't know if you're familiar with the Ubuntu release process, but basically there's a developer summit in Spain starting on the 6th, where we'll gather and write up specs for the features that should be in Gutsy | 10:24 |
| evand | for those that cannot make it to spain, there's VoIP lines for each spec meeting | 10:24 |
| snoops | what do you think about the install.sh idea for apps like opera/skype? That could be extended a bit more for things like vlc etc | 10:24 |
| snoops | I'm in New Zealand, doubt I'll be able to make it to spain..voip would be cool though :) | 10:25 |
| evand | once the specs are finalized, then we do feature development for a few months, then things get locked down for bug fixing | 10:25 |
| evand | yes, you should definitely call in. The information for that will be posted as we get closer to the event. | 10:25 |
| evand | I'm not keen on an install.sh script. The proper way to do it would be to have the installer actually install said packages, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea. It's definitely something we can discuss further at the summit, when there's more than just the two of us talking about it. | 10:26 |
| evand | In my head it comes down to is that within the scope of migration-assistant, but we shall see | 10:27 |
| snoops | yep, cool | 10:27 |
| snoops | I'll mull away at a few things - like a im-history-import | 10:28 |
| snoops | and take a look at googletalk | 10:28 |
| evand | awesome, let me know if you need any guidence or explanation of the code | 10:28 |
| snoops | I don't think this is directly in the migration scope, but one thing I had trouble with when first getting into linux was what application replaces the one I used in windows.. Do you see any potential after looking at a hdd (and the list of programs) for a list suggesting.. "for outlook, outlook express use evolution", "for photoshop, mspaint, paint.net try the gimp, or gimpshop" etc | 10:32 |
| evand | I see that as more of a documentation and naming issue | 10:38 |
| snoops | yep, cool. | 10:38 |
| evand | the ubiquity-slideshow spec sort of covers this, but I don't think the intention was to explain what applications are used as replacements, but rather what exciting features are in this release | 10:39 |
| snoops | Over the next couple weeks when I get time I'll try to start chipping away at various settings - skype, network settings, msn, gtalk | 10:39 |
| evand | great! keep me posted | 10:40 |
| snoops | thanks - and I must say, I really appreciate being able to talk to the person who's made this, to get some insight. It's been very helpful | 10:41 |
| evand | anytime, thanks for your interest | 10:42 |
| saispo | hi | 02:55 |
| saispo | if i use apt-install or apt-get install in a preinst or postinst file with debconf, it's possible to get a progress bar ? | 02:56 |
| cjwatson | err, a preinst or postinst where? | 02:58 |
| saispo | in a meta package | 02:59 |
| cjwatson | preinsts aren't allowed in d-i and neither preinsts nor postinsts of regular (non-udeb) packages are allowed to install other packages | 02:59 |
| cjwatson | metapackages should just depend on other packages, not do crazy things like trying to apt-get install them | 02:59 |
| saispo | cjwatson: yes, i understand | 03:00 |
| saispo | but when i preseed an installation of a metapackage in d-i, the progress bar stop... | 03:00 |
| cjwatson | the packaging system isn't re-entrant - you can't call it recursively | 03:00 |
| cjwatson | if you try, stuff will break | 03:00 |
| saispo | cjwatson: ok, not possible ? | 03:01 |
| cjwatson | nope | 03:01 |
| saispo | hmmm | 03:01 |
| cjwatson | when you get a hang, check syslog | 03:01 |
| cjwatson | but in general, don't try to call dpkg/apt/etc. from maintainer scripts. :) | 03:01 |
| saispo | no hang :) it install the package but the progress bar stop on "preseeding application..." | 03:01 |
| saispo | cjwatson: ok :) | 03:01 |
| cjwatson | "preseeding application" isn't a string in the installer - this must be your code | 03:02 |
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| saispo | cjwatson: i don't think it's the real phrase i have :) | 03:03 |
| cjwatson | you must never paraphrase messages | 03:03 |
| saispo | the progress bar hangs when i use preseed_latecommande="apt-install eole --force-yes" for example | 03:04 |
| cjwatson | that's (a) full of typos (b) not legal apt-install syntax | 03:04 |
| cjwatson | apt-install != apt-get install | 03:04 |
| saispo | --force-yes it's not comptible with apt-install ? | 03:05 |
| cjwatson | no | 03:05 |
| saispo | i just want to enhance the d-i for my project :) just this, if it's not possible, it's not possible :) | 03:06 |
| cjwatson | sure, but don't make up options and expect them to work ;) | 03:07 |
| saispo | :) | 03:07 |
| cjwatson | there is no reason it should not be possible to install extra packages, as long as those packages don't do abnormal things in their maintainer scripts | 03:08 |
| saispo | cjwatson: and if i create a metapackage which includes three metapackages and i use debconf-apt-progress in a preseed_latecommand, it's not possible too ? :) | 03:08 |
| cjwatson | it is possible with very careful use of in-target, but it is not easy to get right and I would recommend you keep it simple | 03:09 |
| saispo | yep | 03:10 |
| saispo | i think it's more safe :) | 03:10 |
| cjwatson | I would advise just using apt-install and not worrying about the progress bar | 03:10 |
| saispo | i will must switch to ubiquity ;-) | 03:10 |
| cjwatson | or preseeding pkgsel to install your packages, in which case you will get a progress bar | 03:10 |
| saispo | if i use pkgsel, i must modify pkgsel-data packages no ? | 03:11 |
| cjwatson | this is documented in the preseeding appendix of the installation guide | 03:11 |
| cjwatson | under "Package selection" | 03:11 |
| saispo | ok, will see this | 03:11 |
| saispo | i don't understand how to create pkgsel-data... will read :) thanks | 03:11 |
| cjwatson | "pkgsel-data" does not exist | 03:12 |
| saispo | k | 03:13 |
| saispo | #d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server build-essential if i change openssh-server with my metapackage, i will get a progress bar you think ? | 03:14 |
| cjwatson | it will be included in the pkgsel stage of the installer which has a progress bar | 03:15 |
| saispo | ok, thanks | 03:15 |
| saispo | will test this :) | 03:15 |
| saispo | but i can use preseed_latecommand="pkgsel eole" at the prompt boot cd ? | 03:16 |
| saispo | or i must write it in the preseed file ? | 03:16 |
| cjwatson | that is completely garbled - please read the documentation! | 03:16 |
| cjwatson | it is release time, I cannot possibly read the manual for you at this point, I'm sorry | 03:16 |
| saispo | i understand, no problem | 03:17 |
| saispo | i have some difficult to understand the difference between pkgsel and tasksel... | 03:17 |
| cjwatson | you do not need to; read the documentation | 03:17 |
| saispo | k | 03:17 |
| saispo | thanks Colin :) | 03:17 |
| cjwatson | I'm afraid you must enter things precisely as documented rather than guessing - there is no indication anywhere in the manual that "pkgsel" might be valid as a command inside preseed/late_command (not preseed_latecommand, which is mentioned nowhere) | 03:18 |
| saispo | you're right :) | 03:19 |
| saispo | because i have to problem, and i try to resolve the two problems with one solution, and it's not the good solutionn | 03:20 |
| saispo | the second problem is to have a choice in d-i for a preseed schema partion or manually do it... | 03:21 |
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| saispo | cjwatson: pkgsel work fine, thanks :) | 04:40 |
| cjwatson | good | 04:58 |
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| poningru | hmm anyone here familiar with the sparc installer? | 05:50 |
| cjwatson | only in broad terms | 05:50 |
| poningru | we need someone for the 7.04 final 'tour' | 05:50 |
| poningru | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/RC | 05:51 |
| poningru | specifically https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/RC?action=show&redirect=Ubuntu704Features#head-97f528cdec6aa0524271cdcc137149e6fbc950ab | 05:52 |
| poningru | cjwatson: just a feature writeup is what we need | 05:52 |
| poningru | and if you have any suggestions to add to that would wonderfull too | 05:52 |
| cjwatson | ask fabbione | 05:55 |
| CIA-16 | oem-config: cjwatson * r285 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/components/console_setup.py): | 06:34 |
| CIA-16 | oem-config: * Update Japanese keyboard layout handling to match console-setup | 06:34 |
| CIA-16 | oem-config: 1.7ubuntu18, which uses jp(latin),jp by default (LP: #63915). | 06:34 |
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