=== philwyett [n=philip@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer === philwyett [n=philip@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer === philwyett [n=philip@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-installer === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-installer === wowow [n=hello@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-installer [05:59] hey guys [05:59] installing dapper on intel chipset systems is a problem, screen goes all black 3/4'rs of the way through [05:59] and not sure how to push the install through [05:59] has anyone seen this before or knows of tips to help rectify the issue? [05:59] note: all terminals have gone black with one ... white character pixel in the middle of the screen [06:00] i've only noticed this ONLY on intel chipset mobos [06:00] anyone? === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@pool-68-163-243-133.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-installer === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@pool-68-163-243-133.bos.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-installer [] === snoops [n=blah@203-97-119-118.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-installer === mpt [n=mpt@canonical/launchpad/mpt] has joined #ubuntu-installer [08:54] wowow: xresprobe problem IIRC rather than an installer problem as such. Wait half an hour or so to make sure, and then hit Enter and it'll probably boot. [08:55] oh really? [08:55] you know what? [08:55] that worked exactly once ... didn't realize it was half hour [08:55] damn installing feisty right now ... hmm [08:55] cjwatson, thanks for the heads up! [08:55] any hint on wha tmight be going on with xres? [09:45] there's a bug about it somewhere (well, at least ten), but it's not my field of knowledge [09:45] half an hour is probably an exaggeration, but ... [09:53] evand hi - I'm wondering what your plan for the migration-assistant is? What do you envisage it becoming/doing etc? [10:05] snoops: Well, I haven't written the spec for Gutsy yet, and we still need to discuss things at UDS, however there are a few things that stand out... [10:05] KDE support is critical. [10:06] Vista support is something I'd like to cover, which shouldn't be too hard as the registry format hasn't changed... [10:06] OS X support should be feasible, but I'm willing to let that one slide if I don't find enough time for it [10:06] the main thing is adding targets for Windows XP/Vista [10:07] it doesn't import the actual email yet, and it doesn't import from Thunderbird [10:07] there are more things that can be imported from IE, Firefox, and Opera [10:07] importing from outlook (not express) would be great - except for the silly format it uses [10:07] indeed, that's a big one [10:08] I would like to try and add support for different im clients - googletalk, msn [10:08] that would be great [10:08] the biggest problem there has been figuring out where the password is stored and how to decode it [10:08] as you can imagine, the IM clients aren't very forthcoming with that information [10:09] and it's kind of sucky that it doesn't import the passwords now, as I can imagine people easily forgetting their AIM password [10:09] hehe...I can imagine [10:09] GoogleTalk is something I completely forgot about [10:09] one thing I think would be great is importing your history - for instance msn saves history in xml files and applies and xslt stylesheet for viewing [10:10] That would be pretty easy to pull in as the only major dependency that m-a has right now is libxml2 [10:10] which makes reading such files trivial [10:11] excellent - and with that format to gaim/kopete etc [10:11] I try to avoid pulling in major libraries as I'd like to see Debian use this in d-i (hopefully with the polishing for that getting done this development cycle) [10:11] indeed [10:11] skype is another one [10:12] definitely [10:12] some people have suggested installing it as well, but I believe that's bloat. [10:13] I'm willing to discuss such an idea if someoene brings it up at UDS or on the VoIP like during the m-a spec meeting at UDS [10:13] s/like/line/ [10:13] perhaps making an install.sh file on the desktop to install those proprietary apps - skype, opera [10:13] oh! One really big thing I forgot to mention... [10:13] migration-assistant merges things [10:14] oh? [10:14] so for IM clients it looks in the Gaim accounts file, sees if the account is there, if not, it puts it in [10:14] it doesn't just copy things 1-to-1 [10:14] which can be difficult, but really increases the things we can do with it [10:14] yep I agree with that [10:15] I'd prefer actually installing the packages over a script that does it, but I'm still quite weary of that. [10:15] what's the gui for it like (sorry I haven't tried feisty yet)? Are there a bunch of tick boxes for what you want to import? [10:15] or is it just - try to import everything [10:15] http://evalicious.com/migration-assistant.png [10:16] superb [10:16] it looks slightly different now [10:16] there's an explanation that those boxes on the bottom are for the account you're importing into [10:17] oh, itunes importing would be a valuable one, as well as winamp [10:17] you can import multiple accounts from multiple operating systems into a single account or as many accounts as you'd like [10:17] the winamp one would be good, since you can read the playlist file for all the locations of files [10:17] it actually already imports from iTunes in that iTunes puts all your music in My Music and it copies that [10:17] I'll look into what winamp does though [10:21] I'd really like to help out with this - migration is something I personally believe can be improved a lot [10:21] how about things like network settings [10:22] you're more than welcome to branch off of trunk and develop from there, then let me know the url so I can merge it into trunk where necessary [10:22] network settings is definitely on the list [10:22] whether to stop at wireless settings or do something crazier like windows domain membership remains to be seen [10:23] is the list in your head or is there a a todo list? [10:23] I have a tomboy note for it, which I'll pretty soon convert into a spec for Gutsy [10:23] or at least the draft for one [10:24] I don't know if you're familiar with the Ubuntu release process, but basically there's a developer summit in Spain starting on the 6th, where we'll gather and write up specs for the features that should be in Gutsy [10:24] for those that cannot make it to spain, there's VoIP lines for each spec meeting [10:24] what do you think about the install.sh idea for apps like opera/skype? That could be extended a bit more for things like vlc etc [10:25] I'm in New Zealand, doubt I'll be able to make it to spain..voip would be cool though :) [10:25] once the specs are finalized, then we do feature development for a few months, then things get locked down for bug fixing [10:25] yes, you should definitely call in. The information for that will be posted as we get closer to the event. [10:26] I'm not keen on an install.sh script. The proper way to do it would be to have the installer actually install said packages, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea. It's definitely something we can discuss further at the summit, when there's more than just the two of us talking about it. [10:27] In my head it comes down to is that within the scope of migration-assistant, but we shall see [10:27] yep, cool [10:28] I'll mull away at a few things - like a im-history-import [10:28] and take a look at googletalk [10:28] awesome, let me know if you need any guidence or explanation of the code [10:32] I don't think this is directly in the migration scope, but one thing I had trouble with when first getting into linux was what application replaces the one I used in windows.. Do you see any potential after looking at a hdd (and the list of programs) for a list suggesting.. "for outlook, outlook express use evolution", "for photoshop, mspaint, paint.net try the gimp, or gimpshop" etc [10:38] I see that as more of a documentation and naming issue [10:38] yep, cool. [10:39] the ubiquity-slideshow spec sort of covers this, but I don't think the intention was to explain what applications are used as replacements, but rather what exciting features are in this release [10:39] Over the next couple weeks when I get time I'll try to start chipping away at various settings - skype, network settings, msn, gtalk [10:40] great! keep me posted [10:41] thanks - and I must say, I really appreciate being able to talk to the person who's made this, to get some insight. It's been very helpful [10:42] anytime, thanks for your interest [02:55] hi [02:56] if i use apt-install or apt-get install in a preinst or postinst file with debconf, it's possible to get a progress bar ? [02:58] err, a preinst or postinst where? [02:59] in a meta package [02:59] preinsts aren't allowed in d-i and neither preinsts nor postinsts of regular (non-udeb) packages are allowed to install other packages [02:59] metapackages should just depend on other packages, not do crazy things like trying to apt-get install them [03:00] cjwatson: yes, i understand [03:00] but when i preseed an installation of a metapackage in d-i, the progress bar stop... [03:00] the packaging system isn't re-entrant - you can't call it recursively [03:00] if you try, stuff will break [03:01] cjwatson: ok, not possible ? [03:01] nope [03:01] hmmm [03:01] when you get a hang, check syslog [03:01] but in general, don't try to call dpkg/apt/etc. from maintainer scripts. :) [03:01] no hang :) it install the package but the progress bar stop on "preseeding application..." [03:01] cjwatson: ok :) [03:02] "preseeding application" isn't a string in the installer - this must be your code === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-installer [03:03] cjwatson: i don't think it's the real phrase i have :) [03:03] you must never paraphrase messages [03:04] the progress bar hangs when i use preseed_latecommande="apt-install eole --force-yes" for example [03:04] that's (a) full of typos (b) not legal apt-install syntax [03:04] apt-install != apt-get install [03:05] --force-yes it's not comptible with apt-install ? [03:05] no [03:06] i just want to enhance the d-i for my project :) just this, if it's not possible, it's not possible :) [03:07] sure, but don't make up options and expect them to work ;) [03:07] :) [03:08] there is no reason it should not be possible to install extra packages, as long as those packages don't do abnormal things in their maintainer scripts [03:08] cjwatson: and if i create a metapackage which includes three metapackages and i use debconf-apt-progress in a preseed_latecommand, it's not possible too ? :) [03:09] it is possible with very careful use of in-target, but it is not easy to get right and I would recommend you keep it simple [03:10] yep [03:10] i think it's more safe :) [03:10] I would advise just using apt-install and not worrying about the progress bar [03:10] i will must switch to ubiquity ;-) [03:10] or preseeding pkgsel to install your packages, in which case you will get a progress bar [03:11] if i use pkgsel, i must modify pkgsel-data packages no ? [03:11] this is documented in the preseeding appendix of the installation guide [03:11] under "Package selection" [03:11] ok, will see this [03:11] i don't understand how to create pkgsel-data... will read :) thanks [03:12] "pkgsel-data" does not exist [03:13] k [03:14] #d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server build-essential if i change openssh-server with my metapackage, i will get a progress bar you think ? [03:15] it will be included in the pkgsel stage of the installer which has a progress bar [03:15] ok, thanks [03:15] will test this :) [03:16] but i can use preseed_latecommand="pkgsel eole" at the prompt boot cd ? [03:16] or i must write it in the preseed file ? [03:16] that is completely garbled - please read the documentation! [03:16] it is release time, I cannot possibly read the manual for you at this point, I'm sorry [03:17] i understand, no problem [03:17] i have some difficult to understand the difference between pkgsel and tasksel... [03:17] you do not need to; read the documentation [03:17] k [03:17] thanks Colin :) [03:18] I'm afraid you must enter things precisely as documented rather than guessing - there is no indication anywhere in the manual that "pkgsel" might be valid as a command inside preseed/late_command (not preseed_latecommand, which is mentioned nowhere) [03:19] you're right :) [03:20] because i have to problem, and i try to resolve the two problems with one solution, and it's not the good solutionn [03:21] the second problem is to have a choice in d-i for a preseed schema partion or manually do it... === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-installer === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-installer [] [04:40] cjwatson: pkgsel work fine, thanks :) [04:58] good === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-installer === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-installer [] === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-installer [05:50] hmm anyone here familiar with the sparc installer? [05:50] only in broad terms [05:50] we need someone for the 7.04 final 'tour' [05:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/RC [05:52] specifically https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/RC?action=show&redirect=Ubuntu704Features#head-97f528cdec6aa0524271cdcc137149e6fbc950ab [05:52] cjwatson: just a feature writeup is what we need [05:52] and if you have any suggestions to add to that would wonderfull too [05:55] ask fabbione [06:34] oem-config: cjwatson * r285 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/components/console_setup.py): [06:34] oem-config: * Update Japanese keyboard layout handling to match console-setup [06:34] oem-config: 1.7ubuntu18, which uses jp(latin),jp by default (LP: #63915). === avoine [n=avoine@219.47-ppp.3menatwork.com] has joined #ubuntu-installer === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-netcache3-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-installer === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-netcache3-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-installer [] === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-installer === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer