[12:12] <Qbal1> tsmithe, i'm watching
[12:12] <tsmithe> Qbal1: lol you linked that name?
[12:12] <Qbal1> duh
[12:51] <sharms> can anyone take a look at my debdiff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xnc/+bug/45569
[12:53] <DktrKranz> sharms, you should use 5.0.4-2.1ubuntu1 instead of 5.0.4-2ubuntu1
[12:53] <sharms> ah it was that, but I changed it
[12:53] <sharms> I was using: http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/17/ubuntu-package-version-naming-explanation/   as a guide 
[12:55] <DktrKranz> you should also remove /tmp/X2g8TaQUiE/ and /tmp/esulBGkxNB/
[12:55] <DktrKranz> nobody uses patch -p4 :D
[12:55] <sharms> I was in my directory, ran a dpkg-buildpkg
[12:56] <sharms> then from that, I did a debdiff on the orig dsc and my dsc
[12:56] <sharms> then I cut out the irrelevant parts that were somehow changed like build options
[12:57] <DktrKranz> I was referring to lines beginning with that in your debdiff
[12:57] <DktrKranz> such as /tmp/X2g8TaQUiE/xnc-5.0.4/debian/changelog
[12:58] <sharms> yeah and I was stating how I did it so you can correct my process
[12:58] <DktrKranz> there should be some option to pass to debdiff
[12:59] <Lutin> you're juste missing patchutils
[01:00] <sharms> ok I installed patch utils, so what is the proper process?
[01:00] <sharms> Edit deb, create deb with dpkg-buildpackage, create a debdiff using "debdiff"
[01:01] <DktrKranz> good night, see you.
[01:01] <sharms> thanks for the input
[01:02] <Lutin> sharms: if what you want to do is a debdiff, there's no need to build the deb. debuild -S will be fine instead of dpkg-buildpackage
[01:02] <DktrKranz> you're welcome :)
[01:02] <Lutin> good night :)
[01:03] <DarkSun88> Good night all
[02:05] <dcsmith> Hey, can someone give me a hand, I'm trying to build my first package, and the locale in my chroot is causing problems
[02:05] <crimsun> first, is the appropriate/desired locale actually set?
[02:06] <dcsmith> when I try to set it i get statements about directories missing for certaine environment variables LC_ALL
[02:07] <crimsun> well, use locale-gen
[02:07] <crimsun> pass it a whitespace-delimited list of desired first-column locales from /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[02:08] <dcsmith> that looks like that did it
[02:09] <dcsmith> nope
[02:09] <dcsmith> it's not a locale issue after all
[02:09] <dcsmith> dbus is failing to configure
[02:10] <dcsmith> it's complaining about update-rc.d
[02:10] <dcsmith> the arguments look incorrect
[02:11] <crimsun> if you're building a source package, you should be using sbuild or pbuilder
[02:11] <crimsun> will you at least pastebin the error spew? Guessing isn't going to help.
[02:13] <dcsmith> crimsun: in order to get the dependencies I'm trying to just do a configure, make, make install in the chrooted enviroment? Is this right?
[02:14] <crimsun> if you mean the trial-and-error approach, well, I suppose that's one way.
[02:14] <crimsun> and I presume you mean build-dependencies
[02:15] <crimsun> it's much more efficient to simply read the output from the ./configure script [if the package is autotoolised]  to get the build-dependencies
[02:15] <crimsun> `./configure --help` is a good place to start
[02:16] <dcsmith> http://pastebin.ca/442051
[02:17] <dcsmith> so then why do I need the chroot at all, If I run the thing on my machine, can/should I just package it without the chrooted environment?
[02:18] <crimsun> however you wish to obtain the list of build-dependencies is your prerogative. I've never favoured the approach you take, but it's certainly valid.
[02:18] <crimsun> err, why are you executing that command?
[02:19] <crimsun> why not `dpkg --configure -a` ?
[02:19] <dcsmith> the dbus package was
[02:19] <dcsmith> with an apt-get install
[02:19] <crimsun> right, so does `apt-get -f [install] ` fail?
[02:20] <crimsun> "install" being optional
[02:21] <dcsmith> but do I even need a chrooted environment to build the package if I've already compiled it and am running it on my machine?
[02:21] <dcsmith> yes apt-get -f install dbus fails
[02:22] <crimsun> no, just `apt-get -f install` or `apt-get -f`
[02:22] <dcsmith> yes that fails, it tries to configure dbus and fails
[02:23] <crimsun> so, backing up, does `dpkg --configure -a` also fail?
[02:23] <dcsmith> yes
[02:23] <crimsun> pass -D3773 to dpkg
[02:24] <jmg> guys the rdiff-backup in edgy and feisty is bugged
[02:24] <crimsun> jmg: a bit late to do much about it now...
[02:25] <jmg> needs to be bumped to 1.1.7
[02:25] <crimsun> ...more verbosely?
[02:25] <jmg> at some point...
[02:25] <crimsun> does it fail spectacularly when initialising? does it corrupt the stream? etc.
[02:26] <jmg> http://www.mail-archive.com/rdiff-backup-users@nongnu.org/msg01757.html
[02:26] <superm1> crimsun, if feisty release does get pushed back due to the kernel regressions, is there a chance in the freeze(s) on universe and such being reverted to reflect the new release date?
[02:26] <crimsun> jmg: ok, so it's a one-liner?
[02:27] <crimsun> superm1: being /reverted/ ? No chance in hade.s
[02:27] <jmg> crimsun: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/r/rdiff-backup/rdiff-backup_1.1.9-2/changelog
[02:28] <crimsun> superm1: it does generally imply we may be a bit more harried/hurried in getting additional fixes in
[02:28] <jmg> crimsun:      - fixes problem with device files handling as user (Closes: #395096).
[02:28] <jmg> crimsun:     - fixes problems with storing to smbfs/cifs (Closes: #386983, #404947).
[02:28] <dcsmith> I get no output from the -D3773
[02:28] <crimsun> dcsmith: dpkg -D3773 --configure -a gives you /none/ ?
[02:28] <dcsmith> but I mean all of this is possibly irrelevant anyway
[02:28] <jmg> crimsun: barf on store to smb/cifsmount
[02:28] <crimsun> dcsmith: yes, quite - you should create a feisty pbuilder and use it
[02:29] <dcsmith> crimsun: okay I assume that's in the wiki?
[02:30] <crimsun> jmg: so we can backport that, sure
[02:30] <crimsun> jmg: would you like to generate a debdiff?
[02:30] <jmg> crimsun: okay
[02:30] <crimsun> dcsmith: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[02:31] <jmg> jmg: whats the procedure?
[02:31] <jmg> crimsun: whats the procedure/
[02:31] <dcsmith> crimsun: Thanks for the help, I appreciate it
[02:32] <crimsun> jmg: backport the patch [http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/rdiff-backup-commits/2006-01/msg00011.html ]  to the current feisty source package; regenerate the source package; generate a debdiff
[02:32] <crimsun> `apt-get source rdiff-backup` for starters
[02:32] <crimsun> oh, hmm, it's in main?
[02:33] <jmg> yeah
[02:33] <crimsun> ack, that's even more inconvenient.
[02:33] <crimsun> I'd go ahead and forget about trying it for feisty. Aim for feisty-updates.
[02:33] <jmg> crimsun: its an old bug
[02:33] <crimsun> jmg: the procedure is outlined here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[02:34] <jmg> crimsun: thanks
[02:35] <jmg> crimsun: in the meantime i enabled nfs on openfiler
[02:35] <jmg> :)
[03:02] <damko> does anyone know how to write a message in the gnome "bubbles" / "pop-up"  (the same that u can see when u unplug the AC for ex.)
[03:05] <damko> have to go. bye!!
[03:47] <jmg> nice levels... is -20 or +20 idle?
[03:48] <RAOF> +20
[03:48] <RAOF> Because it's *very* nice.  Wheras -20 is very not nice :)
[03:48] <jmg> RAOF: thx
[03:55] <jmg> funny
[03:55] <jmg> when renicing rdiff-backup
[03:55] <jmg> one must renice sshd as well
[03:56] <jmg> as the two are inexorably linked
[03:56] <RAOF> Neither of those are likely to be horribly processor intensive, surely?
[03:56] <jmg> load average: 3.31, 2.90, 2.20
[03:57] <jmg> they are processor intensive when they have work to do
[03:57] <jmg> eg, diffing 60gb of data
[03:57] <jmg> (p3-800)
[03:58] <RAOF> Ah, OK.  Still, they're probably more I/O than CPU bound, and nice doesn't touch I/O sheduling (although I *think* there's an ?experimental? I/O version of nice)
[03:59] <jmg> orly
[03:59] <jmg> much more I/O than cpu bound
[03:59] <RAOF> ya, rly.
[03:59] <jmg> but linux load average counts processes waiting for io
[04:17] <RAOF> Yay!  Down to a single page of Banshee bugs.
[04:19] <jdong> RAOF: ionice
[04:19] <jdong> RAOF: not experiemntal; but new on the blocks... works if your'e using the default CFQ io scheduler
[04:19] <jdong> s/blocks/block; no pun intended
[04:19] <jdong> AFAIK Feisty's kernel will inherit some IO niceness from cpu nice
[04:20] <RAOF> Awesome.  Cool.
[04:20] <jdong> it's awsome indeed. A bit of smart ionicing can do wonders to responsiveness
[04:21] <jmg> RAOF: banshee looks cool
[04:46] <ScottK> ajmitch or crimsun (or anyone else): We just got a patch into klamav and I think we may have fixed it a little TOO well.  The update to a new version of clamav direct from upstream (compiles it on your local machine) now works.  Is that a good/bad thing?  Do we need to break it somehow?
[04:47] <ajmitch> explain further
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yes!  more broken packages is even better!
[04:47] <ajmitch> you mean it overwrites the packaged clamav?
[04:47] <ScottK> Yes
[04:47] <ajmitch> how rude
[04:47] <ScottK> It looks like it works, however.
[04:47] <ajmitch> it may make future upgrades a little more annoying, and generally mess up things
[04:48] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:48] <ScottK> OTOH, when user X complains about the clamav freshclam warnings we can point them at klamav with suitable it's not supported warnings.
[04:49] <ScottK> Before the latest patch, klamav would sigsegv when you checked for an update.
[04:49] <ScottK> No it works GREAT.
[04:49] <ajmitch> heh
[04:49] <ScottK> No/now
[04:49] <jmg> compare with similar processes in winduhz
[04:50] <jmg> virus scanners regularly swaps out application components in updates
[04:50] <ScottK> The interesting thing is that it compiles right there on the machine.
[04:50] <jmg> as long as it doesnt add files that wont be managed by dpkg whats the issue?
[04:50] <RAOF> I suppose that just disabling the update mechanism is pretty useless, for a virus scanner.
[04:51] <ScottK> I'd built my clamav test packages on that same box, so I had all the build-depends installed already.
[04:51] <ScottK> Dunno how easy it would be for joe average user to hunt all those up.
[04:51] <jmg> OTOH, depending on build-essential and liblkdjfalkjdrlkja needlessly bloats the installing system
[04:51] <jmg> right
[04:52] <ScottK> Well, except if it's a function of the package to build software, it ought to be able to do that...
[04:52] <jmg> perhaps the security archive can carry the clamav components and latest definitions?
[04:52] <ScottK> jmg: clamav is in universe, all it takes is more volunteer labor.
[04:52] <jdong> jmg: nobody is interested in assuming responsibility for clamav in main, that's the last I heard
[04:52] <jmg> ok
[04:52] <jmg> hey wait a minute
[04:52] <jdong> jmg: but one's welcome to keep it patched up in universe
[04:52] <jmg> we're on linux.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> keescook: effectively does
[04:52] <ScottK> The definitions come through freshclam just fine.  It's the new versions that're the issue.
[04:53] <ScottK> Hobbsee is correct.
[04:53] <jmg> riddle me a point for even running clamav
[04:53] <jdong> keescook: has been wonderful in clamav patching
[04:53] <jdong> jmg: file/mailserver for Windows machines
[04:53] <ajmitch> jmg: storing windows files on the box
[04:53] <ajmitch> & mail
[04:53] <ScottK> jmg: I run MS Office throug WINE.
[04:53] <jdong> lol
[04:53] <jmg> pfft
[04:53] <jdong> did not expect to hear that one :D
[04:53] <RAOF> Is wine now good enough to run windows viruses? :P
[04:53] <jdong> RAOF: no, it gets partway on some
[04:53] <ScottK> All my customers use Office, so I've go no choice.
[04:53] <jmg> ScottK: is that because openoffice sucks?
[04:53] <ScottK> RAOF: Dunno.
[04:54] <jmg> ScottK: so what happens when you run a windows virus under wine? does clamav even trap it?
[04:54] <jmg> or do you need to run Symantec under wine as well?
[04:54] <ScottK> jmg: Because the Office data formats are proprietary and the ooo reverse engineering of them is not perfect.
[04:54] <ScottK> jmg: Dunno.  I haven't tried and I don't plan to experiment with it.
[04:55] <ScottK> I don't actually use clamav on the desktop, I just run it on mailservers.
[04:55] <ScottK> That was meant as an example.
[04:55] <jmg> Ok. I can see the rationale for clamav on file/mailservers. 
[04:55] <jmg> But doesnt that make it -server's problem?
[04:55] <ScottK> jmg: -server is a kernel.  It's all one distro.
[04:56] <ScottK> I also have it on a laptop because I've had to take it into facilities that require ALL computers to run AV software.
[04:56] <jmg> kernel and metapackages
[04:56] <ScottK> yeah.
[04:56] <jmg> well it seems like you're fracked both ways
[04:56] <ScottK> So, anyway ajmitch...  I've now warned people.  I dunno what the right answer is.
[04:57] <dcsmith> so I'm trying to build my first package, and I've built a source package, but when I try to install it, it fails, because it needs root to install into the directory
[04:57] <jmg> er
[04:58] <ScottK> dcsmith: Did you build the binary package?
[04:58] <ScottK> That's what gets installed.
[04:58] <jmg> you need root to install any package
[04:58] <dcsmith> ScottK: The problem occurs when trying to build the binary package
[04:59] <Hobbsee> dcsmith: use fakeroot?
[04:59] <ScottK> dcsmith: jmg is right.  You need root to install anything.
[04:59] <dcsmith> ok
[04:59] <dcsmith> so let me walk through this
[04:59] <TheMuso> !packagingguide | dcsmith 
[04:59] <ubotu> dcsmith: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[04:59] <ScottK> As Hobbsee says you can use fakeroot to get sort of root for building.
[04:59] <jmg> hey, what do you guys think would be the popularity of a ubuntu-media-center package
[04:59] <dcsmith> Right, I'm doing that right now
[05:00] <jmg> installs freevo, mplayer, codecs, lirc et al
[05:00] <ScottK> To actually install the deb, you need to sudo dpkg -i <packagname-version.deb>
[05:00] <dcsmith> so I do a dpkg-buildpkg with fakeroot
[05:00] <jmg> as a metapackage
[05:00] <dcsmith> then I try to use pbuilder with sudo
[05:01] <jmg> dcsmith: check permissions. chown the source tree to yourself
[05:01] <dcsmith> and I get a permission denied installing some libraries
[05:01] <jmg> doesnt pbuilder drop privilege?
[05:02] <dcsmith> the src directory is owned by me
[05:05] <dcsmith> http://pastebin.ca/442245
[05:07] <dcsmith> jmg: have you looked on the pastebin?
[05:08] <dcsmith> scottK: have you looked at the pastebin?
[05:10] <dcsmith> hello?
[05:10] <ScottK> Unfortunately I'm just on my way to bed.  Hopefully someone else will be able to help you.
[05:10] <RAOF> I've looked at the pastebin, and I'm not sure about some of the things that it's doing.
[05:11] <ScottK> dcsmith_: Do know that everyone here is a volunteer.  No one is paid to be here.
[05:11] <dcsmith_> I understand
[05:11] <jmg> I think he knows that :)
[05:11] <RAOF> dcsmith_: *Particularly*, why is it going "rm -rf debian/tmp" and then trying to install stuff from debian/tmp?
[05:11] <dcsmith_> and I
[05:11] <dcsmith_> 'm a volunteer
[05:11] <dcsmith_> and I followed the packaging guide to the best of my ability
[05:12] <jmg> dcsmith_: try -mentors (is that still going?)
[05:12] <dcsmith_> the rm -rf debian temp is from the packaging guide
[05:12] <dcsmith_> I copied the pkging guide for the hello pkg
[05:12] <ScottK> dcsmith_: You need to remove it from the temp dir after you install it.
[05:12] <jmg> dcsmith_: url to the guide you used?
[05:12] <ScottK> Good night everyone.
[05:12] <dcsmith_> as they're both configure/make/make install based I figured it didn't matter
[05:12] <RAOF> Ooooh, it tooks like the "make install" is trying to install to install systemwide, where as it should be going to debian/tmp?
[05:13] <jmg> ah
[05:13] <jmg> --prefix
[05:13] <dcsmith_> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[05:13] <RAOF> Or $DESTDIR, one of the two :)
[05:13] <dcsmith_> wow
[05:13] <TheMuso> $DESTDIR is generally better.
[05:13] <dcsmith_> ok I get it
[05:13] <dcsmith_> i get the problem at least
[05:14] <dcsmith_> how do i destdir enable a configure make make install based src file
[05:14] <dcsmith_> shouldn't that already be there
[05:14] <ajmitch> packaging guide should have at least 1 example
[05:15] <dcsmith_> ok
[05:15] <dcsmith_> same url I provided?
[05:15] <jmg> ajmitch: it doesnt
[05:16] <jmg> plenty of install -d
[05:16] <jmg> and cp
[05:16] <ajmitch> $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp
[05:16] <ajmitch> the template created by dh_make has it also
[05:16] <ScottK> ajmitch: I upgraded to the current packaged clamav from the one that klamav pulled from upstream and it appears to have gone without error, so I think we are likely OK (or at least not in horrible trouble).
[05:17] <dcsmith_> ajmitch: do I put that in the control?
[05:17] <jmg> rules
[05:17] <ajmitch> probably because the "packaging from scratch" page isn't the best place to start at all
[05:17] <jmg> indeed
[05:17] <dcsmith_> ok where is?
[05:18] <jmg> dcsmith_: i imagine ajmitch is finding you a good place to start
[05:19] <dcsmith_> sorry for being a little pushy
[05:19] <dcsmith_> thanks guys for all your efforts
[05:19] <ajmitch> or ajmitch is busy at work
[05:19] <jmg> oh
[05:19] <dcsmith_> heh
[07:34] <snoops> Hi there, umm I've heard about the new importing system in feisty which imports im settings, desktop favourites etc while it installs.. I would love to add some features to it (but look at the code first)..Can someone give me some guidance on finding the code for it?
[07:40] <crimsun> snoops: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~evand/migration-assistant/trunk
[07:44] <evand> snoops: if you have any questions, just ask in here and I'll respond when I can (usually within a few hours)
[07:52] <snoops> thanks evand, I appreciate that
[07:56] <evand> snoops: no problem
[07:56] <evand> snoops: whoops, I thought we were in #ubuntu-installer.  Ask questions in there as it's much lower traffic than -motu.
[07:59] <snoops> ah, cool
[08:14] <dholbach> good morning
[09:13] <dcsmith> Okay so I think I've built my first package
[09:14] <dcsmith> Is there a way I can get people to review it without officially submitting it?
[09:14] <RAOF> !revu
[09:14] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[09:14] <RAOF> REVU rocks.
[09:14] <dcsmith> Thanks
[09:14] <RAOF> dcsmith: You'll need to have your key added to the revu keychain, though.  Instructions on that page.
[09:33] <crimsun> dcsmith: when you've added it, ping me, and I'll sync the keyring.
[09:33] <raphink> siretart: ping
[09:33] <damko> good morning to all
[09:34] <raphink> good morning damko
[09:34] <raphink> & hi crimsun
[09:34] <crimsun> hallo raphink 
[09:34] <raphink> crimsun: are you talking about REVU ?
[09:34] <raphink> (by any chance)
[09:35] <crimsun> dcsmith: yep, just waiting on his confirmation that he has done the prelim steps so the keyring sync can be executed
[09:35] <RAOF> good morning damko.  In answer to your question, the libnotify-bin package contains the binary that you can use to make popup bubbles.
[09:35] <crimsun> raphink: ^
[09:35] <raphink> crimsun: did you notice that REVU has been broken for 5 days?
[09:35] <raphink> packages get in, they get in /var/revu
[09:35] <raphink> but they don't appear on the web interface
[09:35] <crimsun> raphink: erck, no
[09:35] <raphink> I've been trying to ping siretart about that
[09:35] <raphink> look on the interface, there's no package listed after the 10th of April
[09:36] <raphink> although there are in /var/revu
[09:36] <RAOF> raphink: I added a Banshee package yesterday, and it uploaded and appears?
[09:36] <raphink> ah right RAOF
[09:36] <raphink> hmmm
[09:36] <RAOF> Although I suppose that got added to an existing pacakage.
[09:36] <raphink> well some packages don't show then
[09:36] <RAOF> Maybe *new* pacakges don't show?
[09:36] <raphink> no packages got added on the 11th and 12th
[09:37] <raphink> RAOF: maybe
[09:37] <raphink> for example
[09:37] <raphink> tclodbc got uploaded twice in the last 4 days
[09:37] <dcsmith> crimsun: okay I joined the group
[09:38] <raphink> and doesn't appear
[09:38] <raphink> so I guess new packages don't make it in anymore
[09:38] <raphink> dcsmith: welcome ;)
[09:38] <crimsun> ** keyring sync running
[09:38] <dcsmith> raphink: Thanks!
[09:41] <ajmitch> raphink: packages after april 10 do show
[09:41] <raphink> yes ajmitch that's right
[09:42] <raphink> ajmitch: any example of *new*packages showing after that date?
[09:42] <ajmitch> ^
[09:42] <raphink> ajmitch: several new packages added after the 10th of April (or even before maybe) don't show
[09:42] <ajmitch> miniracer
[09:42] <raphink> ok
[09:42] <ajmitch> for tclodbc:  File "/srv/revu1-production/scripts/register_upload.py", line 51, in parse                                                                                                          
[09:42] <raphink> then there's still to figure out what's special about these missing packages
[09:42] <ajmitch>     raise 'Did not find maintainer email :('           
[09:42] <raphink> ah
[09:42] <raphink> where did you see that?
[09:42] <ajmitch> any other packages you know of?
[09:43] <raphink> ardour2
[09:43] <damko> RAOF: thanks a lot for your help. very appreciated :-D
[09:44] <raphink> ajmitch: do you keep all the emails, or are there logs on tiber?
[09:44] <raphink> or mayb in auth.log ?
[09:44] <raphink> ok
[09:44] <raphink> ;)
[09:44] <raphink> then I'm guilty of removing the emails ;)
[09:44] <Nafallo> remove emails?
[09:45] <Nafallo> harddrives are cheap :-)
[09:45] <raphink> huhu
[09:45] <raphink> :p
[09:45] <RAOF> *Google's* harddrivers are cheaper :)
[09:45] <ajmitch> raphink: yeah, you're in the admin group, you should get them :)
[09:45] <raphink> I do get them ajmitch
[09:45] <raphink> ;)
[09:45] <raphink> but I remove them regularly (my fault)
[09:46] <damko> ajmitch: wowowowo :-)
[09:46] <ajmitch> ah no, only 12GB :)
[09:46] <crimsun> RAOF: banshee available, marked "fix released".
[09:46] <TheMuso> raphink: ardour2 was archived
[09:46] <ajmitch> -rw-------   1 ajmitch ajmitch  1.8G 2007-04-16 19:41 launchpad
[09:46] <damko> ajmitch: ah .... this changes everything .... only 12
[09:46] <ajmitch> the result of subscribing to ubuntu-bugs
[09:46] <RAOF> crimsun: Wooo!
[09:46] <TheMuso> As we aren't taking that route for that any more.
[09:47] <crimsun> ** keyring sync completed
[10:08] <dcsmith> crimsun: Thanks, found a problem w/the pkg, so I wanna fix that before I upload
[10:24] <highvoltage> what's that filename where I can specify my name, email address etc where dch gets the information from?
[10:25] <dholbach> highvoltage: 
[10:25] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ grep DEB .bashrc 
[10:25] <dholbach> export DEBFULLNAME='Daniel Holbach'
[10:25] <dholbach> export DEBEMAIL='daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com'
[10:25] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ 
[10:25] <ajmitch> probably ~/.devscripts.conf
[10:26] <ajmitch> sorry ~/.devscripts 
[10:26] <highvoltage> dholbach: ah, thanks!
[10:26] <highvoltage> ajmitch: cool
[10:26] <dholbach> np
[10:26] <ajmitch> for other useful tools like emacs :)
[10:26] <highvoltage> hmmm.. .devscripts doesn't exist, is there a tool that creates it? (I vaguely remember something like that)
[10:26] <ajmitch> nope
[10:57] <CrippledCanary> What's the status on revu today? I just uploaded a package but it doesn't show up.
[10:57] <\sh> moins
[10:57] <ajmitch> hi \sh 
[10:58] <ajmitch> CrippledCanary: depends if you're in the keyring
[10:58] <ajmitch> and if you uploaded a source-only package
[10:58] <ajmitch> & that it was to revu, not upload.ubuntu.com
[10:59] <CrippledCanary> I was in the keyring previously, it was a source package, perhaps the dput config has been changed.
[10:59] <CrippledCanary> Ok...
[10:59] <CrippledCanary> The default has changed from revu to upload.ubuntu. I missed that one.
[11:00] <CrippledCanary> What is the current routine for uploading?
[11:00] <ajmitch> dput revu file_version_source.changes
[11:01] <CrippledCanary> dput I knew about... isnt revu used any more?
[11:01] <CrippledCanary> at all
[11:02] <ajmitch> yes it is
[11:02] <ajmitch> I wrote revu there
[11:02] <CrippledCanary> Ohh,.,,, 
[11:02] <CrippledCanary> missed it.
[11:02] <CrippledCanary> thanks.
[11:04] <highvoltage> what's the difference between usint debsign and doing a gpg --clearsign file.dsc?
[11:04] <highvoltage> somehow gpg --clearsign works fine, but debsign doesn't, it says that the secret key isn't available.
[11:05] <highvoltage> gpg --clearsign works though
[11:05] <ajmitch> debsign probably uses what's in DEBEMAIL
[11:06] <ajmitch> or not, looks like it should parse the .changes file for the email address to match
[11:08] <highvoltage> I think it gets it from the changelog
[11:12] <jekil> hello
[11:13] <damko> jekil: hi
[11:22] <sacater> imbrandon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sacater
[11:23] <sacater> imbrandon: how does that look for tommorow
[11:31] <crimsun> sacater: be aware that the CC may look for more substantial demonstrated involvement, but if you have hearty advocates, it may not be a problem.
[11:31] <crimsun> sacater: my suggestion is that you expand your "future plans" section. While noble, it doesn't address Ubuntu users foremost.
[11:32] <crimsun> (not that one must neglect the F/LOSS community at large for the sake of Ubuntu)
[11:36] <sacater> F/LOSS?
[11:38] <sacater> crimsun: 
[11:39] <shawarma> Free/Libre and Open Source Software
[11:39] <Monk-e> So, is Feisty going to be released withoutn an RC?
[11:58] <sacater> crimsun: i added more https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sacater
[12:41] <CrippledCanary> Could someone have a quick look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4822 please.
[12:46] <sacater> of course
[12:46] <sacater> scribe log
[12:46] <sacater> CrippledCanary: what about it?
[12:53] <CrippledCanary> sacater: Is it ok, have I missed something, policy wise or else
[12:55] <TheMuso> Ok, buy guys. About to pull down my computer setup, so its ready for the move tomorrow.
[12:55] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[12:55] <TheMuso> Will be back online as soon as the ADSL gods give the green light on the new line
[12:55] <StevenK> TheMuso: What, after the Feisty release? :-P
[12:55] <TheMuso> StevenK: Unfortunately, yes.
[12:56] <StevenK> Hmph. I was joking.
[12:56] <TheMuso> Hey I know that.
[12:56] <StevenK> TheMuso: It's more Telstra I'm glaring at. :-)
[12:56] <TheMuso> StevenK: heh
[01:39] <sacater> is there a developer of the week thing?
[01:44] <crimsun> sacater: sort of. There're behindubuntu and behindmotu.
[01:45] <sacater> crimsun: where are they?
[01:46] <sacater> s'ok
[01:46] <sacater> ound
[01:46] <sacater> found*
[02:00] <ScottK> Although at least last time behind MOTU was more of a "the guy that was on IRC when Laserjock asked" than developer of the week.
[02:02] <imbrandon> ScottK, heh
[02:06] <sacater> imbrandon, did you look at my wiki
[02:07] <imbrandon> sacater, not yet, but crimsun gave you some good advice
[02:07] <sacater> i took the advice and worked to it :P
[02:56] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:57] <ScottK> Heya
[02:57] <geser> Hi bddebian
[02:57] <bddebian> Hi ScottK, geser
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:02] <siretart> raphink: pong - sorry, I'm on a buisness trip, so I can't look at it seriously until wednesday :(
[03:02] <siretart> raphink: if you catch sistpoty, try to ping him, maybe he can help as well
[03:36] <ScottK> I have decided to try and become an Ubuntu member.  If there are MOTUs (or anyone else) that are available and willing to support me in this, the CC meeting is April 17 2007, 20:00 UTC.  My wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScottKitterman.  Comments if you have them please. 
[03:37] <bddebian> w00t ScottK
[03:41] <StevenK> ScottK: I'd love to, but 2000UTC == 0600 AEST
[03:42] <ScottK> StevenK: Thanks.  I understand.
[03:42] <crimsun> ScottK: send me an email (crimsunkg at yahoo) so that it's added to my cal
[03:42] <crimsun> I'll try to poke my head in
[03:42] <StevenK> ScottK: All TechBoard meetings are 2000UTC. It makes attending them not fun.
[03:44] <ScottK> crimsun: Sent.  Thanks.
[04:02] <\sh> imbrandon: did you test the 0.9.35 packages of wine?
[04:12] <imbrandon> \sh, yes, some, so far so good, no regressions that i can tell
[04:20] <ScottK> doko: would you be avaialble to look at a potentially troublesome Python bug? Bug #106939
[04:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 106939 in Ubuntu "Python update fails because it appears to require itself" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106939
[04:24] <doko> ScottK: you need to find out why update-desktop-database core dumps (called from the python2.5 postinst)
[04:25] <ScottK> doko: Thanks.  Any hints on how to do that?  I've had remarkably little success myself with debugging postinst problems.
[04:26] <doko> ScottK: ask the bug submitter to run sudo update-desktop-database, and hopefully you'll get a stack trace / apport report.
[04:27] <ScottK> doko: Thanks.
[04:57] <\sh> imbrandon: cool :) thx :)
[06:29] <jdong> crimsun: does our VLC build against system or internal ffmpeg?
[06:50] <Lathiat> heh qdb.us
 I've come to the conclusion that my spare computer sucks ass.
 I tried to install Xubuntu on it, and it gave me an OOM error.
[07:00] <ScottK> Lathiat: How much RAM?
[07:00] <Lathiat> heh no idea
[07:00] <Lathiat> as i said, qdb.us :)
[07:01] <ScottK> Ahh.
[07:01] <jdong> ScottK: not enough ;-)
[07:01] <ScottK> That or some other problem.
[07:27] <LaserJock> dholbach: quick question about MOTU Mentors. Have you filed a request for a mailing list?
[07:27] <dholbach> LaserJock: no
[07:27] <dholbach> i thought there'd be more discussion about the topic
[07:27] <LaserJock> well, everybody I talked to thought it was a great idea
[07:28] <LaserJock> both MOTUs and MOTU Hopefuls
[07:28] <LaserJock> a couple did send emails with a "+1"
[07:28] <ScottK> LaserJock: I'm planning on trying to become an Ubuntu member tomorrow at the CC Meeting.  Any chance you would show up and speak on my behalf? (2000 UTC)?
[07:28] <LaserJock> I might be able to
[07:29] <dholbach> LaserJock: can you drop a mail to MC about that? somebody should take care of filing an RT request and making sure it gets done
[07:29] <LaserJock> my schedule has been kinda crazy but I'll certainly try
[07:29] <LaserJock> dholbach: ok, I'll send it
[07:29] <dholbach> super thanks
[07:29] <ScottK> Understand having a crazy schedule.
[07:37] <marcin_ant_> hi all is there someone that could talk with me about dbconfig-common?
[07:45] <imbrandon> wow 32+ dead at VA school, man o man, this aint gonna be good
[07:46] <imbrandon> crimsun, semi close to home for you ( eastern USA )
[07:47] <marcin_ant_> stupid country with more guns than people
[07:49] <jdong> ouch, virginia tech....
[07:50] <jdong> ironic that it'd happen on patriot's day :-/
[07:52] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, glare at all gun manufacturers and at law in usa that allows to have weapon at home
[07:52] <marcin_ant_> anyway any dbconfig-common maintainer/user/developer here?
[07:53] <ScottK> marcin_ant_: This really isn't the time or place for that sort of comment.
[07:53] <imbrandon> marcin_ant_, me being one of those people , a voteing person that stand firmly behind those laws and our consitution, tread lightly where your about to go because this is not the place, nor am i the one
[07:57] <imbrandon> marcin_ant_, also all universe packages are maintained in a group effort, so just simply stating a package name will do you little good in getting help /most/ of the time, its better to state specific question then myself or someone familiar with the situation might be able to help
[07:58] <imbrandon> or atleaste point you in the right direction
[07:59] <marcin_ant_> ScottK, tell the same to imbrandon - this is also not a place to talk about this at all, eot from me
[08:00] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, sure but in dbconfig-common is mentioned that maintainer is motu
[08:00] <ScottK> marcin_ant_: That's true for all Universe packages that have Ubuntu specific changes.  He's giving you good advice.
[08:00] <imbrandon> and MOTU is a group of 50+ people, as i said a group effort
[08:00] <Lin> hi all.
[08:00] <ScottK> Hello
[08:01] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, and I got a problem with this tool (and propably not only me while a lot of packages that depends on dbconfig-common doesn't work properly on my machine)
[08:01] <Lin> who/how is created /var/run/network/ifstate?
[08:01] <geser> Lin: ifup/ifdown
[08:02] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, so I though that maybe there will be more people that could talk about bugs and eventually solutions for dbconfig
[08:02] <Lin> hm.... something weird happened on my instalation. ifup didn't started my loopback. :-/
[08:03] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, anyway this channel is somewhat quiet nowadays so no problem I will try to find some help elsewhere
[08:03] <imbrandon> marcin_ant_, well if its just about "bugs" #ubuntu-bugs would be far more helpfull, also "dosent work" is hard to decern what is wrong without more info, this channel is more for the packageing of software
[08:04] <imbrandon> also launchpad.net is a good place to start / search if there are others 
[08:04] <imbrandon> with the same issue
[08:06] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, ok I will shortly define what doesn't work - dbconfig-common simply doesn't create new database, so I need to create empty database and then install package...
[08:14] <Lin> geser: is it created when you install the package or while running the command it self?
[08:16] <geser> as /var/run is on tmpfs it's recreated after boot
[08:20] <sacater> hey guys... latest linux kernel is 20+ and we are using 15, is there a way for me to get that kernel... compile from source i expect... but would everything still work, eg be compatable
[08:21] <geser> sacater: I've here 2.6.20-15-lowlatency
[08:21] <geser> 15 is the Ubuntu API version
[08:22] <imbrandon> we have .20+ sacater , -15 is *our* version
[08:22] <imbrandon> err better revision
[08:22] <sacater> [sacater@neo ~] $ uname -r    
[08:22] <sacater> 2.6.20-15-generic
[08:22] <sacater> [sacater@neo ~] $ 
[08:22] <sacater> i would like 20+...
[08:22] <sacater> if i can get it...
[08:22] <imbrandon> exactly, 2.6.20 :) -15 is the revision from us
[08:22] <imbrandon> there is no -20 that exists
[08:23] <sacater> what... not anywhere?
[08:23] <imbrandon> no not anywhere
[08:23] <sacater> imbrandon: you still coming to meeting tommorow?
[08:23] <DktrKranz> sacater, as of today you can get 2.60.21-rc7 from kernel.org
[08:23] <imbrandon> sacater, yea i will try
[08:23] <sacater> DktrKranz: aha thanks
[08:23] <sacater> imbrandon: cool, thanks
[08:23] <sacater> LaserJock: can you do the meeting tommorow?
[08:24] <DktrKranz> what time will it be?
[08:24] <sacater> 20:00 UTC
[08:25] <sacater> imbrandon: i couldnt find behindmotu in a google search :(
[08:26] <LaserJock> sacater: I can try
[08:26] <sacater> LaserJock: great, thanks
[08:28] <DktrKranz> there are still some [could-not-install]  bugs open
[08:28] <DktrKranz> did anyone work on them in the past?
[08:30] <sacater> DktrKranz: kernel.org aint existing
[08:30] <DktrKranz> if not, I can work on some of them in the next days
[08:31] <DktrKranz> sacater, they had some troubles recently
[08:32] <sacater> DktrKranz: so some people are going without kernels :P
[08:32] <DktrKranz> you can use a mirror
[08:34] <DktrKranz> www.[countrycode] .kernel.org
[08:34] <DktrKranz> e.g. www.it.kernel.org
[08:38] <Lin> geser: even weirdier.. my /var/run lacks of network directory. did you know where the problem should be?
[08:40] <geser> check if /etc/init.d/loopback is still linked in /etc/rcS.d/
[08:41] <Lin> which package configure /var/run as a tmpfs?  cause mine isn't in a tmpfs
[08:41] <geser> /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh
[08:43] <Lin> loopback has a link at rcS.d called S08loopback. Its all right.
[08:44] <geser> here too
[08:45] <Lin> geser: mount kernfs.sh too as S01
[08:45] <Lin> I will reboot to check at console.
[08:47] <Lin> hmm its complaing about /var/run and /var/tmp do not exist :-/
[08:48] <crimsun> imbrandon: my mum's alma mater
[08:50] <sacater> DktrKranz: well, i will try and get that kernel running...
[08:51] <sacater> DktrKranz: when i go to download it.... its called a 'patch-#-#-#-.bz2
[08:51] <sacater> DktrKranz: is that right
[08:52] <DktrKranz> it's right, given the fact you have a full 2.6.20 kernel
[08:52] <LaserJock> ok people, does http://behindmotu.wordpress.com/ look very Ubuntuish?
[08:52] <DktrKranz> but you can download it easily
[08:53] <LaserJock> seems a bit to orangy to me :/
[08:53] <sacater> LaserJock: yeh mate, dim down the orange
[08:54] <LaserJock> how about now?
[08:54] <jdong> now it's brown :-/
[08:54] <jdong> not that... I have anything against browns
[08:54] <jdong> I vote democrat.
[08:54] <LaserJock> brown's good, right?
[08:54] <LaserJock> it's Ubuntu
[08:54] <sacater> yeh sure
[08:55] <jdong> orange looks livelier though
[08:55] <sacater> DktrKranz: im downloading the full kernel source
[08:55] <imbrandon> wow looks like a drupal theme :)
[08:55] <LaserJock> yep
[08:55] <LaserJock> it is actually
[08:55] <LaserJock> they made a wordpress theme from garland
[08:55] <imbrandon> nice
[08:55] <LaserJock> which is what I'm using on my site
[08:55] <imbrandon> fooooood brb
[08:56] <imbrandon> yea i have that theme on ubutnuwire.com ( but its actualy drupal )
[08:56] <imbrandon> :)
[08:56] <DktrKranz> if you have a ubuntu.com-like theme in handy, it could be great :)
[08:57] <sacater> DktrKranz: when i compile the source... it puts the correct files/boot right?
[08:57] <DktrKranz> what do you mean?
[09:03] <sacater> DktrKranz: meh forget it, what am i supposed to do with this patch file thing
[09:05] <DktrKranz> first, untar linux-2.6.20
[09:05] <DktrKranz> cd in it
[09:05] <sacater> mmk
[09:05] <DktrKranz> and run bzcat ../patch-2.6.21-rc7.bz2 | patch -p1
[09:06] <sacater> i have 2.6.20.7
[09:07] <DktrKranz> -rc7 is against 2.6.20
[09:07] <DktrKranz> I think you will have troubles in applying on a 2.6.20.7
[09:07] <sacater> erm no
[09:07] <sacater> i meant the .bz2
[09:08] <sacater> linux-2.6.20.7.tar.bz2
[09:09] <DktrKranz> tar fjx linux-2.6.20.7.tar.bz2, but I suggest you to take 2.6.20
[09:09] <sacater> ok
[09:09] <sacater> let me download it
[09:09] <sacater> i cant see anything with that number
[09:10] <sacater> http://kernel.org/
[09:10] <sacater> which one
[09:10] <sacater> DktrKranz: dont want to spam motu, can we do this is #sacater
[09:17] <ScottK> Packaging question??  Does a native package that is Ubuntu only (not in or intended for Debian) get an Ubuntu specific version number?
[09:18] <geser> afaik you don't need to add ubuntuX to the revision in these cases
[09:20] <ScottK> geser: Thanks.
[09:21] <Lin> sorry to ask, but where is /etc/inittab?
[09:24] <DktrKranz> Lin, upstart does not provide it
[09:24] <Lin> DktrKranz: do you know the first thing loaded after init()? (i know that everyone here hates short answers)
[09:42] <LaserJock> ok everybody, behindubuntu.wordpress.com is up
[09:43] <superm1> you sure: The blog you were looking for, behindubuntu.wordpress.com doesn't exist but you can create it now!
[09:44] <LaserJock> bah
[09:44] <LaserJock> behindmotu.wordpress.com
[09:44] <LaserJock> I got mixed up
[09:45] <superm1> :)
[09:46] <bddebian> Damnit, why do I keep getting all the mentor requests?  I'm probably the worst MOTU of the bunch
[09:46] <geser> which mentor requests?
[09:46] <crimsun> because you're the most friendly, duh
[09:46] <superm1> lol
[09:46] <crimsun> if you're an asswipe like me, no one asks :-)
[09:47] <crimsun> besides, as part of the motu trinity, you should know that you're going to be accosted for mentoring ;-)
[09:47] <ScottK> Heya bddebian.
[09:47] <bddebian> Heya ScottK
[09:48] <ScottK> You are very willing to help people who know less than you, so that's what you get for being nice.
[09:48] <bddebian> crimsun: You are not an asswipe and it doesn't help if I can't teach them anything :-(
[09:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, I got one too
[09:48] <bddebian> ScottK: Well very few know less than me :-)
[09:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: I sent an email to motu-council to see if we can get a motu-mentors list of pronto
[09:48] <ScottK> So you say.
[09:48] <crimsun> bddebian: you don't need to teach them anything, only show them ways to avoid the monsters with sharp, pointy teeth
[09:49] <LaserJock> "stay away from crimsun and ajmitch"
[09:49] <crimsun> O:-)
[09:49] <LaserJock> "they will eat you alive"
[09:49] <bddebian> heh
[09:49] <ScottK> bddebian: I'm going for Ubuntu membership tomorrow.  Any chance you can show up and speak for me? 2000UTC.
[09:49] <bddebian> ScottK: Probably.  Hit me up tomorrow so I remember :-)
[09:49] <ScottK> Will do.  Thanks.
[09:50] <pochu> bddebian: would you mind to mentor me? :p
[09:51] <crimsun> mind the holy hand grenade
[09:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: would you mentor me? I don't know crap :(
[09:54] <pochu> LaserJock: lol :) Can you add behindmotu to the planet? It's really interesting
[10:03] <LaserJock> pochu: no, I'm not adding it to planet
[10:03] <LaserJock> I'll try to get it onto the fridge and UWN
[10:05] <pochu> Sounds good too :)
[10:05] <LaserJock> well, we are trying to not have any non-personal  blogs on planet so I don't want to add to the problem
[10:05] <pochu> hehe, didn't know it :)
[10:06] <pochu> So the debaday feed will leave the planet?
[10:06] <LaserJock> well ...
[10:06] <pochu> btw, I'm also subscribed to the fridge, and I receive the uwn, so I don't mind ;)
[10:06] <LaserJock> I don't know that it will, but there were a fair amount of people that didn't really want it there
[10:06] <LaserJock> debaday isn't on planet debian for that reason
[10:07] <pochu> At least it's more likely debaweek than debaday ;)
[10:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: kind of you
[10:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what is?
[10:11] <ajmitch> 07:49 < LaserJock> "stay away from crimsun and ajmitch"
[10:11] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:11] <LaserJock> did I say that? ;-)
[10:12] <ajmitch> looks like it
[10:13] <LaserJock> lol
[10:31] <ScottK> LaserJock: Thanks.  I put up a link to that on my family blog (not public) so now my cousins will think I'm all famous and stuff.
[10:33] <LaserJock> ScottK: glad to be of service ;-)
[10:33] <ScottK> Some of them are pretty hard core geeks.  There's a non-zero chance it'll get as a recruit.
[10:34] <ScottK> as/us
[10:43] <ScottK> All it takes is being here on irc when LaserJock asks.  It looks way better than it is, but I am adding it to my wiki page for the CC meeting tomorrow.
[10:44] <ajmitch> hi ogra 
[10:45] <ogra> hey hey
[10:48] <cbx33> ogra, hi
[10:48] <cbx33> did you get my mail?
[10:48] <bddebian> !packagingguide
[10:48] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[10:49] <ogra> i didnt get any mail today i was testing isos the last 24h
[10:49] <cbx33> ogra, 
[10:49] <cbx33> ok
[10:49] <cbx33> can you do me a big favour
[10:49] <cbx33> can you get me an ldm login screenshot?
[10:49] <cbx33> for feisty
[10:49] <cbx33> for the book chapter?
[10:49] <ogra> not tonight anymore
[10:49] <ogra> i'm working since 20h
[10:49] <ogra> i need sleep
[10:50] <cbx33> ok
[10:50] <cbx33> I still can't get clients to boot here
[10:50] <ogra> but i can do one tomorrow
[10:50] <cbx33> please
[10:52] <cbx33>  hey ajmitch 
[10:54] <ajmitch> hello cbx33 
[10:56] <dcsmith> Okay, I'm actually building a package now, but none of the binaries are in it
[10:56] <dcsmith> the files compile
[10:57] <dcsmith> but i don't believe that make install is working properly
[10:57] <dcsmith> I see that make install-exec-am is being called by pbuilder
[10:57] <dcsmith> which when I run in standalone nothing happens
[10:57] <dcsmith> however if I run make install it works
[10:58] <dcsmith> i'm using the rules from debianhelper
[11:05] <dcsmith> anyone here?
[11:06] <LaserJock> dcsmith: have you looked at the .deb to see if stuff is getting installed?
[11:07] <dcsmith> laserjock: i've done a dpkg --contents on the deb and nothing is in the package
[11:08] <geser> have you checked if it installs in debian/tmp?
[11:10] <dcsmith> geser: right I think it might be a problem with the make file, I'll pastebin the pbuilder output
[11:14] <damko> LaserJock: http://behindmotu.wordpress.com/  it's very nice. good job! :-)
[11:15] <LaserJock> damko: thanks
[11:15] <ajmitch> he needs to interview more people
[11:15] <LaserJock> yep
[11:15] <LaserJock> I'm setting up to send out a number of emails
[11:16] <ajmitch> ah
[11:16] <LaserJock> I need to do a bunch at one time rather waiting until I remember then asking somebody last minute
[11:17] <dcsmith> okay so here's the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/443527
[11:17] <ajmitch> plus it's easier to get responses to put in
[11:17] <ajmitch> I see there's a request there to interview cbx33 
[11:18] <cbx33> eh?
[11:18] <cbx33> there?
[11:18] <ajmitch> http://behindmotu.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/behind-motu-barry-defreese/#comments
[11:18] <cbx33> haha
[11:18] <LaserJock> it seems cbx33 has a stalker/fan
[11:19] <cbx33> he's my GSoC student ;)
[11:19] <ajmitch> wonderful ;)
[11:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: how many stalkers have you collected?
[11:19] <LaserJock> none that I know of
[11:20] <LaserJock> at least none that I would consider stalkers
[11:20] <dcsmith> anyone have any ideas on the pastebin?
[11:21] <LaserJock> dcsmith: can you also paste your debian/rules ?
[11:21] <ajmitch> you may not want to install into debian/tmp if it's a single binary package
[11:21] <ajmitch> but *maybe* into debian/evolution-remove-duplicates-plugin
[11:22] <ajmitch> which means changing DESTDIR in the make install line
[11:23] <dcsmith> http://pastebin.ca/443547
[11:23] <ajmitch> so line 75 in that file
[11:23] <dcsmith> Okay, but one question
[11:24] <dcsmith> in the output of pbuilder it appears that make install does nothing
[11:24] <dcsmith> because it's calling make install-exec-am instead of make install?
[11:24] <dcsmith> is that right?
[11:24] <ajmitch> no, that's fine
[11:24] <ajmitch> just change what I said
[11:26] <dcsmith> ajmitch: Okay, thanks for the help
[11:30] <dcsmith> ajmitch: nope nothing
[11:31] <dcsmith> ajmitch: wait
[11:34] <dcsmith> ajmitch: nope the package is still empty
[11:36] <ajmitch> what do you have in debian/rules now?
[11:36] <dcsmith>  DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)debian/evolution-remove-duplicates-plugin install
[11:37] <ajmitch> stick a / between $(CURDIR) & debian
[11:38] <dcsmith> trying
[11:40] <dcsmith> again nothing
[11:41] <dcsmith> are you sure the fact that make install does nothing for the actual binaries is ok?
[11:41] <ajmitch> as long as make install is calling the right make targets & it installs files, it should work
[11:42] <dcsmith> /usr/bin/install -c .libs/liborg-gnome-remove-duplicates.so /tmp/buildd/evolution-remove-duplicates-plugin-0.0.2/debian/evolution-remove-duplicates-plugin/usr/lib/evolution/2.10/plugins/liborg-gnome-remove-duplicates.so
[11:43] <dcsmith> wait
[11:43] <dcsmith> i was misreading the contents
[11:43] <ajmitch> oh good
[11:43] <dcsmith> ajmitch: sorry
[11:44] <damko> cbx33: what's a GSoC student ?
[11:44] <cbx33> Google Summer of Code student
[11:44] <damko> cbx33: thanks
[11:44] <damko> cbx33: now I got
[11:46] <cbx33> ;)
[11:46] <ajmitch> cbx33 is one of these legendary mentors
[11:46] <dcsmith> it works!!!!!!!!! yes!!!!!!!! Thanks to everyone who helped
[11:47] <cbx33> ajmitch, HAHAHAH
[11:47] <damko> u know guys I'm really new in this room .. but I loose my sleep just to stay here and read. very good environment. hopefully I'll learn something
[11:47] <cbx33> that's funny....
[11:47] <cbx33> damko, I learnt more here in a year than my entire time 3 years at uni
[11:48] <damko> cbx33: agree. in 2 days I built my first (personal) deb. package. it's a drop in the sea .. but it's a lot for me
[11:49] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:50] <ajmitch> uh oh
[11:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you mean planet mako? :)
[11:50] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:51] <LaserJock> try refreshing it
[11:51] <ajmitch> yeah I saw your post there, don't worry
[11:51] <LaserJock> I got planet mako a few minutes ago
[11:51] <LaserJock> but now it seems to be ok
[12:03] <damko> is pastebin definetely dead ?
[12:04] <pochu> damko: why?
[12:04] <pochu> !pastebin | damko
[12:04] <ubotu> damko: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:04] <jmg> damko: wfmtm
[12:05] <damko> jmg: Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145)
[12:05] <damko> jmg: thanls
[12:05] <jmg> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16023/
[12:08] <pochu> damko: works pretty fine here
[12:12] <damko> pochu: yes yes I was refering to pastebin.org
[12:12] <damko> here is not working since friday
[12:12] <damko> anyway http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org it's ok too
[12:12] <pochu> oh :)
[12:13] <pochu> damko: I use paste.ubuntu-nl.org or pastebin.ca
[12:13] <jmg> pastebin.org works too
[12:13] <jmg> oh wait no it doesnt
[12:13] <jmg> its been sniped