[12:24] coax input [12:24] weird stuff [12:25] the really weird thing - [12:25] definitely has problem with the white blalance colorspace. [12:25] it was fixed perfectly by unplugging a webcam [12:25] the webcam was /dev/video0 [12:25] and ivtv was /dev/video0 [12:25] and ivtv was /dev/video`1 [12:25] and ivtv was /dev/video1 [12:25] third times a charm :) [12:25] he unplugged the webcam, rebooted - ivtv got /dev/video0 and things worked fine [12:25] so the webcam driver is buggy [12:26] spitting garbage all over the rest of v4l devices though? [12:26] that seemed a bit odd to me [12:27] unless it's some sort of ivtv quirk on that particular hardware [12:27] i've never had any problems with ivtv running at /dev/video1 or /dev/video2 [12:27] he was very excited though that things were up and running. he said feisty was by far the easiest myth install ever following the help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV guides [12:27] yea me either [12:28] who was this? [12:28] bramblewhalen or whalenster [12:28] he goes by both [12:29] ah. k. not familiar. [12:29] i've spoke with him on and off for some time [12:29] Xenocide was doing a fresh feisty install yesterday and was quite pleased as well [12:29] ah wonderful [12:30] I think i saw chad pop in here at some point to (i was only at my comp about 3 minutes yesterday - enough time to see the irc channel list) [12:30] he was in later last night [12:31] comcast is hosing him on firewire... we discussed it a bit. [12:31] oh no? [12:31] i thought 5C was abolished [12:31] with comcast [12:31] well, i don't think the problem is 5C, but i'm not sure [12:32] well of course they always give everyone the runaround with regard to *getting* the box [12:32] you pointed him at the fcc docs i assume? [12:32] anyway, nothing but OTA will go out over firewire and that's against the law. [12:32] well not true. [12:32] i pointed him at the statutes [12:32] i never got anything but analog and OTA over firewire in rochester last year after time warner locked down my firewire box [12:33] and i pushed and pushed and got nowhere [12:33] you pushed in the wrong places ;) [12:33] lol [12:33] well there is a technicality to your statement [12:34] if nothing but OTA goes out thru firewire period, then thats against the law [12:34] without a special determination, the must allow for timeshifting and reording of non pay-per view and it is hardware neutral [12:34] exept with repect to the internet and cable modems [12:34] now if everything but OTA doesn't go out in unecyrypted format, thats legal - as long as its available with the proper encryption [12:34] nope. [12:34] sec [12:35] then how are they gettign away with 5C everywhere in the country - this makes no sense to me then..... [12:35] (1) Commercial audiovisual content shall not be encoded so as to prevent or limit copying thereof except as follows: [12:35] (i) To prevent or limit copying of video-on-demand or pay-per-view transmissions, subject to the requirements of paragraph (b)(2) of this section; and [12:35] (ii) To prevent or limit copying, other than first generation of copies, of pay television transmissions, non-premium subscription television, and free conditional access delivery transmissions; and [12:35] (2) With respect to any commercial audiovisual content delivered or transmitted in form of a video-on-demand or pay-per-view transmission, a covered entity shall not encode such content so as to prevent a covered product, without further authorization, from pausing such content up to 90 minutes from initial transmission by the covered entity (e.g., frame-by-frame, minute-by-minute, megabyte by megabyte). [12:36] what is this taken from? [12:36] if it's not PPV, a pay service like HBO, ETC. or VOD, they can't legally restrict firewire transmissions. [12:37] title 47 of the code of federal regulations [12:37] 76.1904 [12:37] (i do this kinda shit for a living ;) ) [12:37] okay, so tell me why does 5C exist then on everything across the country [12:37] i mean i would think there would have been dozens of lawsuits regarding this already [12:37] it doesn't *everywhere* and on *everything* [12:38] i have nothing on mine that is 5C except pay channels [12:38] okay *reword*. why does it exist on so many cable company's content [12:38] because every cable company i've had now [12:38] and i have not checked to see if i paid for them if they would go over firewire [12:38] i've had 3 different cable providers now [12:38] because 99% of the people have no clue what 5C is, and the ones that do don't know the law [12:39] the cable companies will do it until they are forced not to. [12:39] okay then this begs the question - who are the right people to push regarding this. [12:39] senators, congressmen and the FCC [12:40] FCC first- it is their duty to enforce tat law [12:40] or explain why they are not [12:40] did you have to in order to get your local cable company to get 5C off? [12:40] or were you just fortunate enough to begin [12:40] which requires they also show a special determination and where it was published. [12:41] it was dodgy at first, so i called... [12:41] superm1: hey, you wanted to talk to me a few days ago? [12:41] gardengnome, yes but i dont recall why [12:41] gardengnome, probably nothing too important [12:41] inisisted on being passed up the line to supervisors and their supervisors... [12:41] superm1: heh, k [12:41] majoridiot, i did the same thing. [12:41] made it clear i knew the law, explained what i was doing, explained it was *no different* that hooking up a pvr [12:41] and it went away within a week [12:42] but i eventually hit a field engineer who gave me a straight answer that it wasnt their decision [12:42] that it was content provider's decisions [12:42] that they were in control of what content had 5C turned on [12:42] no... it is the FCCs decision. [12:42] are you sure? [12:42] absolutely. [12:42] that is what the FCC does [12:42] they make and enforce [12:43] the cable companies MUST comply [12:43] well if not for the fact that i will only be living in the same place for 4 months at a time for the next 8 months, I'd go and push my next two cable companies [12:43] the only reason they aren't is because their content providers pushed them into a corner and not enough people have complained to make a difference. [12:43] do you think this is why comcast is pulling it around the country then? [12:43] because enough people did complain? [12:43] yes and no [12:44] it's subterfuge [12:44] yes they are pulling 5C [12:44] but they are also changing a broadcast flag that breaks firewire [12:44] wha? [12:44] which i *think* is what chad's prob is. [12:45] so on the channels that should be working - his box's diag screen is indeed saying 5C=0? [12:45] the CCI flag [12:45] but for some other reason, they arent working [12:45] dunno if that is wht his box is reporting or not [12:46] CCI flag is part of the mpeg stream? [12:46] yes [12:46] CCI is the copy flag [12:47] so a lot of firmware is being updated to broadcast in the clear- no 5C [12:47] i didnt realize that there was anything in addition to 5C. i thought this definition of "copy once, copy never, etc" was part of the 5C spec [12:47] but also with a CCI flax of 0x01 or 0x02, etc [12:47] which breaks fireiwre === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:49] http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-357896-p-46.html [12:49] "if 5C is not enabled, than the CCI flag is meaninless" [12:49] ? [12:50] well, here's a screenshot of a non-5C with a CCI of 0x02 that breaks fw: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=78816 [12:51] can u dcc it [12:51] i dont have an acct there [12:53] where is 5c on there though? [12:53] diff menu [12:53] oh === tgm4883 [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:15] Hey whats the command to add a line to /etc/modules without having to open it and such. [01:15] something like "echo "dvb_cx88" [01:16] sudo sh -c "echo "cx88_dvb" >> /etc/modules" [01:16] i'd guess it's "... [01:16] thanks majoridiot :) [01:16] ;) [01:18] thanks [01:18] i was looking all over for that [01:18] oddly enough, it's in the guide. [01:18] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list [01:19] Is that page new, i dont remember seeing it before [01:20] I could be blind though [01:20] wouldn't be the first time [01:20] it's been there for awhile [01:20] im blind then [01:20] sign me up for coke bottle glasses and bingo [01:21] no offence to those who love pepsi [01:21] or cribbage [01:21] or cribbage :) [04:02] superm1: well, i just got around to checking and the reason that half of my HD channels are corrupted is that the 0x02 CCI has been set. [04:02] oh no? === majoridiot will be calling insight cable tomorrow and demanding reparations [04:02] when did these corrupted channels begin to come in corrupted? [04:03] recent past. hard to tell. [04:03] but certainly since start of the year [04:03] so you really think you will be able to get them to set CCI to 0x00 by a simple call? [04:03] in this case THEY HAVE TO- they are all OTA HD channels [04:03] including a PBS LMMFAO [04:03] oh snap. [04:03] yup. [04:04] my guess, is a tech got itchy when locking down the HDNet channels [04:04] or something at the head got messed. [04:04] it'll be nice if thats all it was [04:04] in any event, they will be fixing this. ;) [04:05] depending on how badly my roomate and i want to get digital cable this summer at our next place, i'll see if i need to get some tips from you... [04:05] what since would it make for them to select 4 or 5 ota HD channels to lock down with 0x02 and leave everything else wide open? [04:05] (sense) [04:05] otherwise my Air2PC HD5000 will handle any non encrypted QAM channels at least for me (which is most of what i watch anyhow) [04:05] nice [04:06] well i hope they dont lock down more by your call though [04:06] as in oh we meant to lock it all [04:06] and you just reminded us [04:06] non-encrypted as in non-5C or is it ok with 0x02 CCI? [04:06] on encrypted as in i dont need a digital cable box for them [04:07] ah [04:07] typically its just the OTA channels being rebroadcasted and other people who use on demand channels [04:08] well, the way i look at it... insight is in the process of merging with comcast (ew)... and if they want that merger to go through smoothly, then they must pass franchising, etc. [04:09] the city holds the local franchise [04:09] i'm not planning for war, tho. insight has been very good to deal with. [04:10] i think i will call and report a problem, get a tech here, explain and have him call the right guy. [04:11] that seemed the best route when the phone geeks couldn't suss out what i meant by a "ground-loop" prob i was fighting on my broadband connection. [04:19] how do you get a tech though? [04:19] rather than a regularcustomer service rep [04:19] just report a problem they can't handle. [04:19] yea thats the same thing i had to do to climb the chain of support [04:19] still got me nowhere though :) [04:20] the only time i made real progress was my going in in person [04:21] actually, i don't feel like being home between non and six... [04:21] i'll start by asking for a supervisor [04:21] non and six? [04:21] that usually gets their attention [04:21] noon [04:21] oh [04:21] noon and six - thats when you have to normally call? [04:22] i meant for a tech to come [04:22] oh [04:22] they give you that "block" of sit around and wait on us time. [04:22] makes more sense === majoridiot recalls kramer on seinfeld [04:22] yea [04:23] i'll start it as a "problem" [04:23] i.e. why is it that...? [04:23] and see what they say. [04:23] what bugs me more than anything - the first thing that they tend to make you do is switch out the box [04:23] (it may escalate into a complaint from there) LOL [04:24] yeah... that's usually resolution step one. [04:24] like calling dsl repair and the first thing they make you do is recycle the power to the modem and router, even though you have repeatedly. [04:25] yes exactly [04:25] when i eventually had a supervisor's email, i captured the diag screen on my ivtv card [04:25] showing what a 5c channel loooked like [04:25] and he still made me switch the box first [04:26] such stupid shit [04:26] protocol [04:26] cya [04:26] leavin? [04:26] sorry... no. [04:26] Cover Your Ass [04:26] ah [04:26] yes [04:26] so at the next performance review, he can show he played by the rules [04:27] even when he didn't have to [04:27] ok... brings up a good question... [04:27] on a 5C channel... [04:28] if you take the output from the stb into a 150, does it cap ok or does macrovision get it? [04:29] captures fine [04:29] i thought it would [04:29] but have learned not to assume [04:29] never had macrovision troubles [04:29] some has happened to firewire in feisty [04:29] something [04:30] takes longer to establish a good connection and lags occasionally... [04:30] thats odd? [04:31] was waiting to dig into it... [04:31] i notived that libiec61883-dev didn't come with, as it did with edgy [04:31] thought maybe there would be an update [04:32] didnt come with? [04:32] you mean no feisty version [04:32] correct [04:32] it was packaged with feisty [04:32] well no new upstream version would mean no new version for feisty [04:32] er [04:32] edgy [04:32] should have told me sooner though if there was one [04:33] coulda packaged it [04:33] didn't realize it until yesterday [04:33] ah [04:33] was having a priming problem and couldn't do a "plugreport" [04:34] (note: priming problems will always occur when the STB is powered off) [04:34] well if there is a new upstream version, i can help you package it [04:35] in the next coming weeks [04:35] great. ty. [04:35] can be your first package and all :) [04:35] are you going to run for ubuntu membership later this year too? [04:35] and try to get an @ubuntu.com address and all [04:36] never considered it, honestly [04:36] a good idea [04:39] at least look into it. you've been putting in lots of work here [04:39] it is great to get recognized for it [04:40] i'm not sure if i will be able to be a sponsor, but if so i'd be glad to [04:40] appreciated [04:40] is there a regular cycle for applications or just whenever? [04:42] i dont remember off hand how it worked [04:42] i think its every community council meeting [04:42] so there is a regular cycle to it [04:42] there is a page on wiki.ubuntu.com about it [04:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers [04:49] that talks a bit about it [04:49] ah... ty. got distracted. [04:49] http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17505/Ubuntu-Feisty-Fawn-Desktop-Linux-Matured/ [04:49] just one of many... [04:51] actually this better describes the process [04:51] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember [04:59] is all the mythbuntu stuff available for download somewhere? [04:59] yes bzr branch [05:00] damn. meant to look at bazaar today. [05:00] apt-get install bzr [05:00] :) [05:00] well there just a *little* more to it than that [05:00] unless it has some KILLER AI [05:01] well man bzr for the rest [05:01] teaches how to checkout [05:01] hehe yeah [05:02] here is the address you would check out from: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/ubuntu [05:03] excellent... i'm bookmarking it. [05:05] well its not a browsable address afaik [05:05] no [05:05] its just the argument you use for checking out the first time [05:05] and for pushing [05:05] but i know where i put it :) [05:06] i'll see if i can't get at it tomorrow [05:06] well no rush - i wont be able to do much with it myself up until finals now [05:06] so another couple of weeks [05:06] until i can do any real contributions [05:06] it will take me another couple of weeks to come up to speed on the basics ;) [05:07] :) [05:07] give me a chance to poke around and see if i can figure out how things kinda work [05:08] you can give the live disk build script a run too [05:08] i havent ran it for a while [05:09] great [05:10] actually there are a few new changes that will be required to it anyhow [05:10] due to the new packages [05:11] with the wrapper scripts and such === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:36] majoridiot, just ran another build. only took about 20 minutes for me to build an ISO [05:36] i'll see how things look now with the fresh packages [05:37] 375 megs for the whole ISO with all plugins and such [05:37] that's not bad === majoridiot wonders how fast it will build on this box [05:37] and with packages avail on the disk to install mythbackend [05:37] and mythweb [05:38] that's pretty compact [05:38] :) === tgm4883 [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:39] well that whole build process was also using a mirror that should be on internet2, so i had very fast downloads [05:39] i'd expect yours to be roughly twice that [05:45] i'm headed out. [05:45] talk to you tomorrow === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@pool-68-163-243-133.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@pool-68-163-243-133.bos.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === Xenocide [n=xeno@rrcs-70-60-97-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Alam_Debian [n=Alam@c-24-62-188-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:27] hello? [07:29] since Feb 24, my ubuntu Edgy Mythtv server stopped recording shows, I think It was due to an update of mythtv packages, can anyone help me reset my MythTV database? === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5cc54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Alam_Debian [n=Alam@c-24-62-188-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["Skill] === illern_ [n=illern@c83-252-239-167.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Daviey [n=Daviey@unaffiliated/daviey] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5cc54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === Daviey [n=Daviey@unaffiliated/daviey] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:05] Daviey, ! [06:05] hey [06:05] hey [06:05] hows things? [06:05] well i'm looking forward to wrapping up school now, thats for sure :) [06:06] 3 weeks left to the end of finals [06:06] three days. [06:06] here. [06:06] :) [06:06] i bet you are! [06:06] hehe [06:06] 3 weeks will go so quickley [06:06] are you doing your finals now? [06:06] they are during that third week [06:06] final projects these two weeks [06:07] :( [06:07] i'm glad that all of those changes that i put together got done in time for universe freeze last week too [06:07] you heard about them correct? [06:07] no! [06:07] whew. lots of stuff got in [06:08] nothing new tho? [06:08] just fixes? [06:08] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv_0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu5/changelog [06:08] better yet [06:08] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv_0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu6/changelog [06:08] see those last two sets of changes [06:09] woo LP: #96739 [06:09] nice 1 [06:09] hopefully all the mysql mess is over due to these last two sets of fixes [06:10] and majoridiot finished up all the feisty pages [06:11] so those are live now on h.u.c [06:11] to reflect all of these changes [06:12] Daviey, did you ever end up contacting that guy? [06:13] what guy? [06:13] in indiana [06:13] the guy that took mythbuntu.org? [06:13] no!! grr [06:14] i knew there was something [06:14] haha [06:15] well our server *still* isnt up, so its alright === varka_ [n=varkatop@p54a5cc54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tgm4883 [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === bronson [n=bronson@66.237.74.66.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-netcache3-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-netcache3-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === bronson_ [n=bronson@66.237.74.66.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5cc54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === majoridiot [n=majoridi@74-141-134-199.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MegaQuark [n=gary@pool-71-111-188-88.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === majoridiot [n=majoridi@74-141-134-199.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === [g2] [n=tom@nslu2-linux/g2] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:39] <[g2] > Have you guys heard about LinuxMCE at all ? [11:40] not a lot, no. [11:40] something specific you need? === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:08] majoridiot, hey [12:08] just sent you mail [12:08] i should learn to sign into IRC *before* responding to your emails [12:08] haha [12:08] haha [12:09] <[g2] > majoridiot, are you familiar with LinuxMCE at all ? [12:09] g2: not a lot. what do you need? [12:10] [g2] , it uses components from several open source projects, afaik mr home, xine, mythtv [12:11] [g2] , its basically Pluto Home (www.plutohome.com) repackaged for debian [12:11] for most people its overkill, but a really neat idea [12:12] <[g2] > hmmmm where to begin .... [12:12] [g2] , are you just looking to setup a PVR? [12:12] or you do want to go all this home automation stuff [12:12] <[g2] > I've got my own embedded linux company [12:13] right [12:13] <[g2] > so I've been doing XScale/ARM embedded linux for the last several years [12:13] right [12:14] <[g2] > Ubuntu has been the basis for my development system as I had OpenEmbedded layered on top of it [12:14] <[g2] > The last 6 months or so I've been playing with pvr/media streaming and running the latest feisty stuff for the last few months [12:15] <[g2] > I tried the latest myth-install and had the same issues a s guy in here had [12:15] you had issues? [12:15] what sort [12:15] <[g2] > superm1, yes I did [12:15] and with the latest packages? [12:15] <[g2] > I'd guess about 3-4 weeks ago [12:16] lots has changed in the last 5 days :) [12:16] <[g2] > things have been a little blur has I've have an appletv that's hacked [12:16] lots has changed :) [12:16] [g2] , you put ubuntu on the appletv? [12:16] <[g2] > my plan it to get a (ubuntu based) myth-tv front-end on the appletv [12:16] oh sweet [12:16] <[g2] > ppl are running gentoo right now [12:17] should be doable. [12:17] <[g2] > there's an issue with the efi loader [12:17] <[g2] > so a bastard mach-0 wrapper needs to be created to boot an embedded linux kernel [12:17] so as of now do you have it booting ubuntu yet? [12:18] <[g2] > superm1, not yet [12:18] [g2] , isnt there a native mac build of mythtv though? [12:18] shouldnt that run right out of the box? [12:18] <[g2] > superm1, the appletv runs a modifiied Leparod 10.4.7 [12:19] <[g2] > and while I've played with the Apple stuff, I'm really a hardcore Linux guy [12:19] yea i hear ya there [12:20] <[g2] > there are quite a lot (a dozen or two) really talented Mac hackers really tearing up the Mac side [12:20] well [g2] what issues were you running across on our packages a few weeks ago [12:20] <[g2] > but really all those most are just one apple flash away from naught [12:20] i can let you know if those problems have absolved [12:21] <[g2] > superm1 somebody was walking a guy through a lot (I think all) the problems I was having [12:21] <[g2] > in here [12:21] <[g2] > I saw it in the logs [12:21] do you know what day? [12:21] oh actually i think they have been purged from last month already [12:22] <[g2] > superm1, is ubuntulog purging files on my box ? :) [12:22] hehe [12:22] good point [12:22] well particularly were they mysql related problems? [12:22] with passwords [12:22] and permissions and such [12:23] <[g2] > yeah [12:23] okay. thats exactly what my patches this last week took care of [12:23] as long as you clean up the mess sputtered around from the old ones (apt-get remove --purge mythtv-common mysql-server, rm ~/.mythtv rm /etc/mythtv and delete mythconverg database) you should be fine [12:25] <[g2] > superm1, Ok I'll be happy to try a re-install and test and report any issue [12:25] <[g2] > issues [12:25] very good :) [12:27] <[g2] > superm1, are you around for the next couple hours ? [12:27] actually only for about 20 min more [12:27] i've got work this evening [12:27] i'll check back in later tonite though === majoridiot will be around [12:27] around 10 or 11ish [12:27] central [12:27] majoridiot, is more than capable of helping though :) [12:28] and will point you in the direction of feisty guides that he authored and such too... [12:28] <[g2] > so super... I'm very impressed with many of the ubuntu devs and ubuntu in general