[12:24] <superm1> coax input
[12:24] <majoridiot> weird stuff
[12:25] <superm1> the really weird thing -
[12:25] <majoridiot> definitely has problem with the white blalance colorspace.
[12:25] <superm1> it was fixed perfectly by unplugging a webcam
[12:25] <superm1> the webcam was /dev/video0
[12:25] <superm1> and ivtv was /dev/video0
[12:25] <superm1> and ivtv was /dev/video`1
[12:25] <superm1> and ivtv was /dev/video1
[12:25] <superm1> third times a charm :)
[12:25] <superm1> he unplugged the webcam, rebooted - ivtv got /dev/video0 and things worked fine
[12:25] <majoridiot> so the webcam driver is buggy
[12:26] <superm1> spitting garbage all over the rest of v4l devices though?
[12:26] <superm1> that seemed a bit odd to me
[12:27] <majoridiot> unless it's some sort of ivtv quirk on that particular hardware
[12:27] <majoridiot> i've never had any problems with ivtv running at /dev/video1 or /dev/video2
[12:27] <superm1> he was very excited though that things were up and running.  he said feisty was by far the easiest myth install ever following the help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV guides
[12:27] <superm1> yea me either
[12:28] <majoridiot> who was this?
[12:28] <superm1> bramblewhalen or whalenster
[12:28] <superm1> he goes by both
[12:29] <majoridiot> ah. k.  not familiar.
[12:29] <superm1> i've spoke with him on and off for some time
[12:29] <majoridiot> Xenocide was doing a fresh feisty  install yesterday and was quite pleased as well
[12:29] <superm1> ah wonderful
[12:30] <superm1> I think i saw chad pop in here at some point to (i was only at my comp about 3 minutes yesterday -  enough time to see the irc channel list)
[12:30] <majoridiot> he was in later last night
[12:31] <majoridiot> comcast is hosing him on firewire... we discussed it a bit.
[12:31] <superm1> oh no?
[12:31] <superm1> i thought 5C was abolished
[12:31] <superm1> with comcast
[12:31] <majoridiot> well, i don't think the problem is 5C, but i'm not sure
[12:32] <superm1> well of course they always give everyone the runaround with regard to *getting* the box
[12:32] <superm1> you pointed him at the fcc docs i assume?
[12:32] <majoridiot> anyway, nothing but OTA will go out over firewire and that's against the law.
[12:32] <superm1> well not true.
[12:32] <majoridiot> i pointed him at the statutes
[12:32] <superm1> i never got anything but analog and OTA over firewire in rochester last year after time warner locked down my firewire box
[12:33] <superm1> and i pushed and pushed and got nowhere
[12:33] <majoridiot> you pushed in the wrong places ;)
[12:33] <majoridiot> lol
[12:33] <superm1> well there is a technicality to your statement
[12:34] <superm1> if nothing but OTA goes out thru firewire period, then thats against the law
[12:34] <majoridiot> without a special determination, the must allow for timeshifting and reording of non pay-per view and it is hardware neutral
[12:34] <majoridiot> exept with repect to the internet and cable modems
[12:34] <superm1> now if everything but OTA doesn't go out in unecyrypted format, thats legal - as long as its available with the proper encryption
[12:34] <majoridiot> nope.
[12:34] <majoridiot> sec
[12:35] <superm1> then how are they gettign away with 5C everywhere in the country - this makes no sense to me then.....
[12:35] <majoridiot>  (1) Commercial audiovisual content shall not be encoded so as to prevent or limit copying thereof except as follows:
[12:35] <majoridiot> (i) To prevent or limit copying of video-on-demand or pay-per-view transmissions, subject to the requirements of paragraph (b)(2) of this section; and
[12:35] <majoridiot> (ii) To prevent or limit copying, other than first generation of copies, of pay television transmissions, non-premium subscription television, and free conditional access delivery transmissions; and
[12:35] <majoridiot> (2) With respect to any commercial audiovisual content delivered or transmitted in form of a video-on-demand or pay-per-view transmission, a covered entity shall not encode such content so as to prevent a covered product, without further authorization, from pausing such content up to 90 minutes from initial transmission by the covered entity (e.g., frame-by-frame, minute-by-minute, megabyte by megabyte).
[12:36] <superm1> what is this taken from?
[12:36] <majoridiot> if it's not PPV, a pay service like HBO, ETC. or VOD, they can't legally restrict firewire transmissions.
[12:37] <majoridiot> title 47 of the code of federal regulations
[12:37] <majoridiot>  76.1904
[12:37] <majoridiot> (i do this kinda shit for a living ;)  )
[12:37] <superm1> okay, so tell me why does 5C exist then on everything across the country
[12:37] <superm1> i mean i would think there would have been dozens of lawsuits regarding this already
[12:37] <majoridiot> it doesn't *everywhere* and on *everything*
[12:38] <majoridiot> i have nothing on mine that is 5C except pay channels
[12:38] <superm1> okay *reword*.  why does it exist on so many cable company's content
[12:38] <superm1> because every cable company i've had now
[12:38] <majoridiot> and i have not checked to see if i paid for them if they would go over firewire
[12:38] <superm1> i've had 3 different cable providers now
[12:38] <majoridiot> because 99% of the people have no clue what 5C is, and the ones that do don't know the law
[12:39] <majoridiot> the cable companies will do it until they are forced not to.
[12:39] <superm1> okay then this begs the question - who are the right people to push regarding this.
[12:39] <majoridiot> senators, congressmen and the FCC
[12:40] <majoridiot> FCC first- it is their duty to enforce tat law
[12:40] <majoridiot> or explain why they are not
[12:40] <superm1> did you have to in order to get your local cable company to get 5C off?
[12:40] <superm1> or were you just fortunate enough to begin
[12:40] <majoridiot> which requires they also show a special determination and where it was published.
[12:41] <majoridiot> it was dodgy at first, so i called...
[12:41] <gardengnome> superm1: hey, you wanted to talk to me a few days ago?
[12:41] <superm1> gardengnome, yes but i dont recall why
[12:41] <superm1> gardengnome, probably nothing too important
[12:41] <majoridiot> inisisted on being passed up the line to supervisors and their supervisors...
[12:41] <gardengnome> superm1: heh, k
[12:41] <superm1> majoridiot, i did the same thing.
[12:41] <majoridiot> made it clear i knew the law, explained what i was doing, explained it was *no different* that hooking up a pvr
[12:41] <majoridiot> and it went away within a week
[12:42] <superm1> but i eventually hit a field engineer  who gave me a straight answer that it wasnt their decision
[12:42] <superm1> that it was content provider's decisions
[12:42] <superm1> that they were in control of what content had 5C turned on
[12:42] <majoridiot> no... it is the FCCs decision.
[12:42] <superm1> are you sure?
[12:42] <majoridiot> absolutely.
[12:42] <majoridiot> that is what the FCC does
[12:42] <majoridiot> they make and enforce
[12:43] <majoridiot> the cable companies MUST comply
[12:43] <superm1> well if not for the fact that i will only be living in the same place for 4 months at a time for the next 8 months, I'd go and push my next two cable companies
[12:43] <majoridiot> the only reason they aren't is because their content providers pushed them into a corner and not enough people have complained to make a difference.
[12:43] <superm1> do you think this is why comcast is pulling it around the country then?
[12:43] <superm1> because enough people did complain?
[12:43] <majoridiot> yes and no
[12:44] <majoridiot> it's subterfuge
[12:44] <majoridiot> yes they are pulling 5C
[12:44] <majoridiot> but they are also changing a broadcast flag that breaks firewire
[12:44] <superm1> wha?
[12:44] <majoridiot> which i *think* is what chad's prob is.
[12:45] <superm1> so on the channels that should be working - his box's diag screen is indeed saying 5C=0?
[12:45] <majoridiot> the CCI flag
[12:45] <superm1> but for some other reason, they arent working
[12:45] <majoridiot> dunno if that is wht his box is reporting or not
[12:46] <superm1> CCI flag is part of the mpeg stream?
[12:46] <majoridiot> yes
[12:46] <majoridiot> CCI is the copy flag
[12:47] <majoridiot> so a lot of firmware is being updated to broadcast in the clear- no 5C
[12:47] <superm1> i didnt realize that there was anything in addition to 5C.  i thought this definition of "copy once, copy never, etc" was part of the 5C spec
[12:47] <majoridiot> but also with a CCI flax of 0x01 or 0x02, etc
[12:47] <majoridiot> which breaks fireiwre
[12:49] <superm1> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-357896-p-46.html
[12:49] <superm1> "if 5C is not enabled, than the CCI flag is meaninless"
[12:49] <superm1> ?
[12:50] <majoridiot> well, here's a screenshot of a non-5C with a CCI of 0x02 that breaks fw: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=78816
[12:51] <superm1> can u dcc it
[12:51] <superm1> i dont have an acct there
[12:53] <superm1> where is 5c on there though?
[12:53] <majoridiot> diff menu
[12:53] <superm1> oh
[01:15] <tgm4883> Hey whats the command to add a line to /etc/modules without having to open it and such.
[01:15] <tgm4883> something like "echo "dvb_cx88"
[01:16] <majoridiot> sudo sh -c "echo "cx88_dvb" >> /etc/modules"
[01:16] <gardengnome> i'd guess it's "...
[01:16] <gardengnome> thanks majoridiot :)
[01:16] <majoridiot> ;)
[01:18] <tgm4883> thanks
[01:18] <tgm4883> i was looking all over for that
[01:18] <majoridiot> oddly enough, it's in the guide.
[01:18] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list
[01:19] <tgm4883> Is that page new, i dont remember seeing it before
[01:20] <tgm4883> I could be blind though
[01:20] <tgm4883> wouldn't be the first time
[01:20] <majoridiot> it's been there for awhile
[01:20] <tgm4883> im blind then
[01:20] <tgm4883> sign me up for coke bottle glasses and bingo
[01:21] <tgm4883> no offence to those who love pepsi
[01:21] <majoridiot> or cribbage
[01:21] <tgm4883> or cribbage :)
[04:02] <majoridiot> superm1: well, i just got around to checking and the reason that half of my HD channels are corrupted is that the 0x02 CCI has been set.
[04:02] <superm1> oh no?
[04:02] <superm1> when did these corrupted channels begin to come in corrupted?
[04:03] <majoridiot> recent past. hard to tell.
[04:03] <majoridiot> but certainly since start of the year
[04:03] <superm1> so you really think you will be able to get them to set CCI to 0x00 by a simple call?
[04:03] <majoridiot> in this case THEY HAVE TO- they are all OTA HD channels
[04:03] <majoridiot> including a PBS LMMFAO
[04:03] <superm1> oh snap.
[04:03] <majoridiot> yup.
[04:04] <majoridiot> my guess, is a tech got itchy when locking down the HDNet channels
[04:04] <majoridiot> or something at the head got messed.
[04:04] <superm1> it'll be nice if thats all it was
[04:04] <majoridiot> in any event, they will be fixing this. ;)
[04:05] <superm1> depending on how badly my roomate and i want to get digital cable this summer at our next place, i'll see if i need to get some tips from you...
[04:05] <majoridiot> what since would it make for them to select 4 or 5 ota HD channels to lock down with 0x02 and leave everything else wide open?
[04:05] <majoridiot> (sense)
[04:05] <superm1> otherwise my Air2PC HD5000 will handle any non encrypted QAM channels at least for me (which is most of what i watch anyhow)
[04:05] <majoridiot> nice
[04:06] <superm1> well i hope they dont lock down more by your call though
[04:06] <superm1> as in oh we meant to lock it all
[04:06] <superm1> and you just reminded us
[04:06] <majoridiot> non-encrypted as in non-5C or is it ok with 0x02 CCI?
[04:06] <superm1> on encrypted as in i dont need a digital cable box for them
[04:07] <majoridiot> ah
[04:07] <superm1> typically its just the OTA channels being rebroadcasted and other people who use on demand channels
[04:08] <majoridiot> well, the way i look at it... insight is in the process of merging with comcast (ew)... and if they want that merger to go through smoothly, then they must pass franchising, etc.
[04:09] <majoridiot> the city holds the local franchise
[04:09] <majoridiot> i'm not planning for war, tho.  insight has been very good to deal with.
[04:10] <majoridiot> i think i will call and report a problem, get a tech here, explain and have him call the right guy.
[04:11] <majoridiot> that seemed the best route when the phone geeks couldn't suss out what i meant by a "ground-loop" prob i was fighting on my broadband connection.
[04:19] <superm1> how do you get a tech though?
[04:19] <superm1> rather than a regularcustomer service rep
[04:19] <majoridiot> just report a problem they can't handle.
[04:19] <superm1> yea thats the same thing i had to do to climb the chain of support
[04:19] <superm1> still got me nowhere though :)
[04:20] <superm1> the only time i made real progress was my going in in person
[04:21] <majoridiot> actually, i don't feel like being home between non and six...
[04:21] <majoridiot> i'll start by asking for a supervisor
[04:21] <superm1> non and six?
[04:21] <majoridiot> that usually gets their attention
[04:21] <majoridiot> noon
[04:21] <superm1> oh
[04:21] <superm1> noon and six - thats when you have to normally call?
[04:22] <majoridiot> i meant for a tech to come
[04:22] <superm1> oh
[04:22] <majoridiot> they give you that "block" of sit around and wait on us time.
[04:22] <superm1> makes more sense
[04:22] <superm1> yea
[04:23] <majoridiot> i'll start it as a "problem"
[04:23] <majoridiot> i.e. why is it that...?
[04:23] <majoridiot> and see what they say.
[04:23] <superm1> what bugs me more than anything - the first thing that they tend to make you do is switch out the box
[04:23] <majoridiot> (it may escalate into a complaint from there) LOL
[04:24] <majoridiot> yeah... that's usually resolution step one.
[04:24] <majoridiot> like calling dsl repair and the first thing they make you do is recycle the power to the modem and router, even though you have repeatedly.
[04:25] <superm1> yes exactly
[04:25] <superm1> when i eventually had a supervisor's email, i captured the diag screen on my ivtv card
[04:25] <superm1> showing what a 5c channel loooked like
[04:25] <superm1> and he still made me switch the box first
[04:26] <superm1> such stupid shit
[04:26] <majoridiot> protocol
[04:26] <majoridiot> cya
[04:26] <superm1> leavin?
[04:26] <majoridiot> sorry... no.
[04:26] <majoridiot> Cover Your Ass
[04:26] <superm1> ah
[04:26] <superm1> yes
[04:26] <majoridiot> so at the next performance review, he can show he played by the rules
[04:27] <majoridiot> even when he didn't have to
[04:27] <majoridiot> ok... brings up a good question...
[04:27] <majoridiot> on a 5C channel...
[04:28] <majoridiot> if you take the output from the stb into a 150, does it cap ok or does macrovision get it?
[04:29] <superm1> captures fine
[04:29] <majoridiot> i thought it would
[04:29] <majoridiot> but have learned not to assume
[04:29] <superm1> never had macrovision troubles
[04:29] <majoridiot> some has happened to firewire in feisty
[04:29] <majoridiot> something
[04:30] <majoridiot> takes longer to establish a good connection and lags occasionally...
[04:30] <superm1> thats odd?
[04:31] <majoridiot> was waiting to dig into it...
[04:31] <majoridiot> i notived that libiec61883-dev didn't come with, as it did with edgy
[04:31] <majoridiot> thought maybe there would be an update
[04:32] <superm1> didnt come with?
[04:32] <superm1> you mean no feisty version
[04:32] <majoridiot> correct
[04:32] <majoridiot> it was packaged with feisty
[04:32] <superm1> well no new upstream version would mean no new version for feisty
[04:32] <majoridiot> er
[04:32] <majoridiot> edgy
[04:32] <superm1> should have told me sooner though if there was one
[04:33] <superm1> coulda packaged it
[04:33] <majoridiot> didn't realize it until yesterday
[04:33] <superm1> ah
[04:33] <majoridiot> was having a priming problem and couldn't do a "plugreport"
[04:34] <majoridiot> (note: priming problems will always occur when the STB is powered off)
[04:34] <superm1> well if there is a new upstream version, i can help you package it
[04:35] <superm1> in the next coming weeks
[04:35] <majoridiot> great.  ty.
[04:35] <superm1> can be your first package and all :)
[04:35] <superm1> are you going to run for ubuntu membership later this year too?
[04:35] <superm1> and try to get an @ubuntu.com address and all
[04:36] <majoridiot> never considered it, honestly
[04:36] <majoridiot> a good idea
[04:39] <superm1> at least look into it.  you've been putting in lots of work here
[04:39] <superm1> it is great to get recognized for it
[04:40] <superm1> i'm not sure if i will be able to be a sponsor, but if so i'd be glad to
[04:40] <majoridiot> appreciated
[04:40] <majoridiot> is there a regular cycle for applications or just whenever?
[04:42] <superm1> i dont remember off hand how it worked
[04:42] <superm1> i think its every community council meeting
[04:42] <superm1> so there is a regular cycle to it
[04:42] <superm1> there is a page on wiki.ubuntu.com about it
[04:49] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers
[04:49] <superm1> that talks a bit about it
[04:49] <majoridiot> ah... ty.  got distracted.
[04:49] <majoridiot> http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17505/Ubuntu-Feisty-Fawn-Desktop-Linux-Matured/
[04:49] <majoridiot> just one of many...
[04:51] <superm1> actually this better describes the process
[04:51] <superm1> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[04:59] <majoridiot> is all the mythbuntu stuff available for download somewhere?
[04:59] <superm1> yes bzr branch
[05:00] <majoridiot> damn.  meant to look at bazaar today.
[05:00] <superm1> apt-get install bzr
[05:00] <superm1> :)
[05:00] <majoridiot> well there just a *little* more to it than that
[05:00] <majoridiot> unless it has some KILLER AI
[05:01] <superm1> well man bzr for the rest
[05:01] <superm1> teaches how to checkout
[05:01] <majoridiot> hehe yeah
[05:02] <superm1> here is the address you would check out from: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/ubuntu
[05:03] <majoridiot> excellent... i'm bookmarking it.
[05:05] <superm1> well its not a browsable address afaik
[05:05] <majoridiot> no
[05:05] <superm1> its just the argument you use for checking out the first time
[05:05] <superm1> and for pushing
[05:05] <majoridiot> but i know where i put it :)
[05:06] <majoridiot> i'll see if i can't get at it tomorrow
[05:06] <superm1> well no rush - i wont be able to do much with it myself up until finals now
[05:06] <superm1> so another couple of weeks
[05:06] <superm1> until i can do any real contributions
[05:06] <majoridiot> it will take me another couple of weeks to come up to speed on the basics ;)
[05:07] <superm1> :)
[05:07] <majoridiot> give me a chance to poke around and see if i can figure out how things kinda work
[05:08] <superm1> you can give the live disk build script a run too
[05:08] <superm1> i havent ran it for a while
[05:09] <majoridiot> great
[05:10] <superm1> actually there are a few new changes that will be required to it anyhow
[05:10] <superm1> due to the new packages
[05:11] <superm1> with the wrapper scripts and such
[05:36] <superm1> majoridiot, just ran another build.  only took about 20 minutes for me to build an ISO
[05:36] <superm1> i'll see how things look now with the fresh packages
[05:37] <superm1> 375 megs for the whole ISO with all plugins and such
[05:37] <majoridiot> that's not bad
[05:37] <superm1> and with packages avail on the disk to install mythbackend
[05:37] <superm1> and mythweb
[05:38] <majoridiot> that's pretty compact
[05:38] <majoridiot> :)
[05:39] <superm1> well that whole build process was also using a mirror that should be on internet2, so i had very fast downloads
[05:39] <superm1> i'd expect yours to be roughly twice that
[05:45] <majoridiot> i'm headed out.
[05:45] <majoridiot> talk to you tomorrow
[07:27] <Alam_Debian> hello?
[07:29] <Alam_Debian> since Feb 24, my ubuntu Edgy Mythtv server stopped recording shows, I think It was due to an update of mythtv packages, can anyone help me reset my MythTV database?
[06:05] <superm1> Daviey, !
[06:05] <superm1> hey
[06:05] <Daviey> hey
[06:05] <Daviey> hows things?
[06:05] <superm1> well i'm looking forward to wrapping up school now, thats for sure :)
[06:06] <superm1> 3 weeks left to the end of finals
[06:06] <gardengnome> three days.
[06:06] <gardengnome> here.
[06:06] <gardengnome> :)
[06:06] <Daviey> i bet you are!
[06:06] <superm1> hehe
[06:06] <Daviey> 3 weeks will go so quickley
[06:06] <Daviey> are you doing your finals now?
[06:06] <superm1> they are during that third week
[06:06] <superm1> final projects these two weeks
[06:07] <Daviey> :(
[06:07] <superm1> i'm glad that all of those changes that i put together got done in time for universe freeze last week too
[06:07] <superm1> you heard about them correct?
[06:07] <Daviey> no!
[06:07] <superm1> whew.  lots of stuff got in
[06:08] <Daviey> nothing new tho?
[06:08] <Daviey> just fixes?
[06:08] <superm1> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv_0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu5/changelog
[06:08] <superm1> better yet
[06:08] <superm1> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv_0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu6/changelog
[06:08] <superm1> see those last two sets of changes
[06:09] <Daviey> woo LP: #96739
[06:09] <Daviey> nice 1
[06:09] <superm1> hopefully all the mysql mess is over due to these last two sets of fixes
[06:10] <superm1> and majoridiot finished up all the feisty pages
[06:11] <superm1> so those are live now on h.u.c
[06:11] <superm1> to reflect all of these changes
[06:12] <superm1> Daviey, did you ever end up contacting that guy?
[06:13] <Daviey> what guy?
[06:13] <superm1> in indiana
[06:13] <superm1> the guy that took mythbuntu.org?
[06:13] <Daviey> no!! grr
[06:14] <Daviey> i knew there was something
[06:14] <superm1> haha
[06:15] <superm1> well our server *still* isnt up, so its alright
[11:39] <[g2] > Have you guys heard about LinuxMCE at all ?
[11:40] <majoridiot> not a lot, no.
[11:40] <majoridiot> something specific you need?
[12:08] <superm1> majoridiot, hey
[12:08] <superm1> just sent you mail
[12:08] <superm1> i should learn to sign into IRC *before* responding to your emails
[12:08] <superm1> haha
[12:08] <majoridiot> haha
[12:09] <[g2] > majoridiot, are you familiar with LinuxMCE at all ?
[12:09] <majoridiot> g2: not a lot.  what do you need?
[12:10] <superm1> [g2] , it uses components from several open source projects, afaik mr home, xine, mythtv
[12:11] <superm1> [g2] , its basically Pluto Home (www.plutohome.com) repackaged for debian
[12:11] <superm1> for most people its overkill, but a really neat idea
[12:12] <[g2] > hmmmm where to begin ....
[12:12] <superm1> [g2] , are you just looking to setup a PVR?
[12:12] <superm1> or you do want to go all this home automation stuff
[12:12] <[g2] > I've got my own embedded linux company
[12:13] <superm1> right
[12:13] <[g2] > so I've been doing XScale/ARM embedded linux for the last several years
[12:13] <superm1> right
[12:14] <[g2] > Ubuntu has been the basis for my development system as I had OpenEmbedded layered on top of it
[12:14] <[g2] > The last 6 months or so I've been playing with pvr/media streaming and running the latest feisty stuff for the last few months
[12:15] <[g2] > I tried the latest myth-install and had the same issues a s guy in here had
[12:15] <superm1> you had issues?
[12:15] <superm1> what sort
[12:15] <[g2] > superm1, yes I did
[12:15] <superm1> and with the latest packages?
[12:15] <[g2] > I'd guess about 3-4 weeks ago
[12:16] <superm1> lots has changed in the last 5 days :)
[12:16] <[g2] > things have been a little blur has I've have an appletv that's hacked
[12:16] <majoridiot> lots has changed :)
[12:16] <superm1> [g2] , you put ubuntu on the appletv?
[12:16] <[g2] > my plan it to get a (ubuntu based) myth-tv front-end on the appletv
[12:16] <superm1> oh sweet
[12:16] <[g2] > ppl are running gentoo right now
[12:17] <majoridiot> should be doable.
[12:17] <[g2] > there's an issue with the efi loader
[12:17] <[g2] > so a bastard mach-0 wrapper needs to be created to boot an embedded linux kernel
[12:17] <superm1> so as of now do you have it booting ubuntu yet?
[12:18] <[g2] > superm1, not yet
[12:18] <superm1> [g2] , isnt there a native mac build of mythtv though?
[12:18] <superm1> shouldnt that run right out of the box?
[12:18] <[g2] > superm1, the appletv runs a modifiied Leparod 10.4.7
[12:19] <[g2] > and while I've played with the Apple stuff, I'm really a hardcore Linux guy
[12:19] <superm1> yea i hear ya there
[12:20] <[g2] > there are quite a lot (a dozen or two) really talented Mac hackers really tearing up the Mac side
[12:20] <superm1> well [g2]  what issues were you running across on our packages a few weeks ago
[12:20] <[g2] > but really all those most are just one apple flash away from naught
[12:20] <superm1> i can let you know if those problems have absolved
[12:21] <[g2] > superm1 somebody was walking a guy through a lot (I think all) the problems I was having
[12:21] <[g2] > in here
[12:21] <[g2] > I saw it in the logs
[12:21] <superm1> do you know what day?
[12:21] <superm1> oh actually i think they have been purged from last month already
[12:22] <[g2] > superm1, is ubuntulog  purging files on my box ? :)
[12:22] <superm1> hehe
[12:22] <superm1> good point
[12:22] <superm1> well particularly were they mysql related problems?
[12:22] <superm1> with passwords
[12:22] <superm1> and permissions and such
[12:23] <[g2] > yeah
[12:23] <superm1> okay.  thats exactly what my patches this last week took care of
[12:23] <superm1> as long as you clean up the mess sputtered around from the old ones (apt-get remove --purge mythtv-common mysql-server, rm ~/.mythtv rm /etc/mythtv and delete mythconverg database) you should be fine
[12:25] <[g2] > superm1, Ok I'll be happy to try a re-install and test and report any issue
[12:25] <[g2] > issues
[12:25] <superm1> very good :)
[12:27] <[g2] > superm1, are you around for the next couple hours ?
[12:27] <superm1> actually only for about 20 min more
[12:27] <superm1> i've got work this evening
[12:27] <superm1> i'll check back in later tonite though
[12:27] <superm1> around 10 or 11ish
[12:27] <superm1> central
[12:27] <superm1> majoridiot, is more than capable of helping though :)
[12:28] <superm1> and will point you in the direction of feisty guides that he authored and such too...
[12:28] <[g2] > so super... I'm very impressed with many of the ubuntu devs and ubuntu in general