[12:24] <maxamillion> ?
[12:25] <maxamillion> TheSheep: random question i have always wondered ... is your desktop in polish or english?
[12:27] <TheSheep> maxamillion: english
[12:27] <TheSheep> maxamillion: translating programming-related stuff to Polish makes little sense anyways
[12:28] <maxamillion> TheSheep: fair enough
[12:29] <Arkh>  I need some help for installing pdo on ubuntu edgy
[12:29] <Arkh> :p
[12:29] <TheSheep> Arkh: pdo?
[12:30] <Arkh> php data objects
[12:30] <TheSheep> Google says: "PDO is the premier hydrocarbon exploration and production company in the Sultanate of Oman"
[12:31] <TheSheep> php.net says: "If you're running a PHP 5.1 release, PDO and PDO_SQLITE is included in the distribution; "
[12:31] <TheSheep> !info php
[12:31] <ubotu> Package php does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[12:31] <TheSheep> !info apache-php
[12:31] <ubotu> Package apache-php does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[12:31] <TheSheep> !find php
[12:31] <ubotu> Found: dh-make-php, egroupware-phpbrain, egroupware-phpsysinfo, gphpedit, htcheck-php (and 198 others)
[12:31] <TheSheep> argh
[12:32] <TheSheep> !info libapache2-mod-php5
[12:32] <ubotu> libapache2-mod-php5: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module). In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.3 (edgy), package size 2263 kB, installed size 5148 kB
[12:32] <neozen> lol
[12:32] <neozen> meep
[12:32] <TheSheep> Arkh: that should be enough :)
[12:33] <Arkh> root@acerus:/home/arkham# dpkg -l | grep php
[12:33] <Arkh> ii  libapache2-mod-php5                        5.1.6-1ubuntu2.3
[12:33] <Arkh> nah :(
[12:34] <Arkh> pdo is not enabled by default on edgy's php
[12:34] <Arkh> <.<
[12:35] <TheSheep> Arkh: maybe you need to install php5-mysql or something
[12:35] <Arkh> i did install everything I could think of
[12:36] <Arkh> http://rafb.net/p/narkvF31.html
[12:36] <TheSheep> php-db - PHP PEAR Database Abstraction Layer
[12:36] <TheSheep> maybe you miss this? (wild guess)
[12:37] <Arkh> I tried that but it doesn't seem to help so I removed it
[12:37] <Arkh> :(
[12:42] <somerville32> Hey emdash
[12:48] <Merchelo> gg, installing the fglrx for mt ATI card did the trick, now it's much better
[12:53] <maxamillion> gotta run
[01:48] <Arkh> wow TheSheep I solved :P
[02:40] <ratshell> IF YOU NEED HELP WITH UBUNTU COME TO THIS CHANNEL #ubuntuhelp, we will help you with all your UBUNTU NEEDS. AND THE ADMINISTRATORS WON"T WATCH YOU
[02:40] <Arkh> lol?
[02:40] <ratshell> I keep getting banned cause I made this room. And I am just letting people no about it.
[02:40] <Arkh> oh
[02:40] <Arkh> good luck
[02:41] <ratshell> So that is why i made this channel. I am tired of the administrators control stuff like this.
[02:41] <Arkh> why are you getting banned?
[02:41] <ratshell> They claim I am spamming, but I don't know. That is why I stay in that channel
[02:41] <ratshell> Tty there if you wanna come
[02:45] <Will^Draven> o.O
[02:51] <jbs123> Hello all
[02:51] <jbs123> I have a quick question and maybe someone can answer
[02:52] <Merchelo> eh, did anyone else get a dcc file request?
[02:52] <jbs123> If anyone is here.
[02:52] <rici> yeah
[02:52] <Arkh> me :p
[02:52] <Naughtyboy> yepp..I got one
[02:52] <aidanr> yup
[02:52] <Qew> yeah, got one from _3oo3
[02:53] <Naughtyboy> what is it..?
[02:53] <aidanr> cancel it
[02:53] <jbs123> I am running Xubuntu from USB stick, and I was wondering what do I need to change to have it boot to command prompt instead of window. Also is there away to auto run a script i wrote?
[02:54] <crimsun> invoke the script from /etc/rc.local
[02:55] <Qew> _3oo3 is in #pcbsd and denying...
[02:56] <Arkh> lol
[02:56] <Arkh> he is a liar?
[02:56] <somerville32> It is Chris Punches
[02:56] <Qew> well, yeah... unless his machine is hacked ;)
[02:57] <somerville32> The same guy that claimed he hacked himself
[02:57] <rici> it's hard to take nicks like _3oo3 seriously
[02:57] <unikon> he just pm'd me to
[02:57] <Arkh> the same guy threathened me to hack my pc :o
[02:57] <Qew> haha
[02:58] <Arkh> yepp, he said something like check your /var/log/sshd
[02:58] <Arkh> but I don'thave sshd enabled nor installed
[02:58] <Arkh> lol
[03:00] <Merchelo> i was tempted to accept it, and see what it was
[03:00] <unikon> whats up with chris punches
[03:01] <unikon> hes in #nsa to
[03:05] <jbs123> How do I stop xfce from booting? I wish to go straight to prompt
[03:06] <unikon> qe whatd he say on #pcbsd
[03:06] <Qew> well, he apologised to me, but I said that he should really come here and do that, because I wasn't the only one. He then said he didn't care enough, so I rejected his apology.
[03:08] <Qew> anyway, best not dwell on bad rubbish. Better things to talk about here. ;)
[03:10] <unikon> true
[03:11] <unikon> i just wish they'd fix the distro and make an Xubuntu-lite
[03:12] <Merchelo> heh, it's ubuntu-lite is it not?
[03:12] <unikon>  id like  to see even a lighter version
[03:13] <unikon>  absolute bare minimum them add to as seen fit
[03:18] <Merchelo> i just install xubuntu, and remove all the crap i don't need
[03:19] <Merchelo> well, crap to me, golden eggs to other people.
[03:20] <kalikiana> Whatever the crap is, leave xfce :D
[03:20] <Merchelo> i did, but i did install fluxbox, just for old times sake.
[03:22] <kalikiana> I suppose if you like fuxbox and can't live with xfce that is okay. But if you prefer xfce I'm even more happy. ;)
[03:22] <jbs124> update-rc.d test.sh defaults  - will this run my script as su on start up ?
[04:05] <Naughtyboy> for thoose who didn't know...the kernel and the new nvidia drivers seemse to work now..
[05:05] <Arianna> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2457649#post2457649
[05:19] <Pumpernickel> Arianna: File a bug report, including any error messages you get.
[05:19] <Pumpernickel> !bug
[05:19] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:54] <xjkx> what differs xubuntu of other buntus besides the DE?
[10:04] <Merchelo> it's more lightweight, which means it would run on older machines, more smoothly.
[10:04] <Merchelo> !xubuntu
[10:04] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[10:08] <xjkx> Merchelo how much memory i need to run xubuntu?
[10:09] <darrend_laptop> xjkx: I think 128MB is generally the recommended minimum, but some are running it with less
[10:09] <Merchelo> 128-192 for the live CD, otherwise, 64mb could handle it
[10:12] <xjkx> thanks, i frankly didnt find on website the minimum recommended :P how about partition? the minimum needed?
[10:12] <Merchelo> 1.5
[10:12] <Merchelo> gb
[10:13] <xjkx> :D
[10:35] <xjkx> i love the fact i could run it with 128 or 64, but i hate the website doesn't tell that so i'd show they people :>
[10:35] <xjkx> the people*
[10:35] <xjkx> almost sleeping while typing
[10:37] <xjkx> oh i found http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[10:37] <xjkx> xD
[11:33] <dac> what is xubuntu?
[11:33] <crimsun> xubuntu.org
[11:34] <darrend_laptop> !xubuntu
[11:34] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[11:34] <dac> ok
[11:37] <dac> I've tried all 4 ubuntu tonight, and i did not know these even existed,neat.
[11:38] <dac> i'll go away and check out xubuntu.org, thanks
[11:44] <ceil420> http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9592/weirdfontdm8.png <=- can someone help get my fonts sorted? i don't know why the alt+f2 thing and firefox have separate fonts ;x
[11:45] <TheSheep> firefox handles its fonts separately from the system
[11:46] <ceil420> i certainly didn't change it's fonts myself :o but i'll poke around
[11:46] <ceil420> what about the "run program" thing? the font you see is one i tried before settling on the one that you see in the xchat userlist
[11:46] <TheSheep> ceil420: check your .gtkrc and .gtkrc-2.0 files
[11:47] <TheSheep> ceil420: also, killing the xfrun process might help
[11:47] <ceil420> is xfrun the name of that little box?
[11:47] <TheSheep> yes
[11:47] <ceil420> and where's .gtkrc/-2.0?
[11:48] <TheSheep> xfrun4 actually
[11:48] <ceil420> ah ok
[11:48] <TheSheep> .gtkrc is in your home directory -- it starts with a period, so it's hidden by default, enable showing hidden files to see it
[11:49] <ceil420> yeah the font in xfrun4 is back to normal now o/
[11:49] <ceil420> i only got .gksu.lock and .gtk-bookmarks for hidden files started with g in ~/ :x
[11:49] <ceil420> starting*
[11:50] <TheSheep> that's ok
[11:51] <TheSheep> restarting firefox would fix it too
[11:51] <TheSheep> probably
[11:51] <ceil420> tried that; it didn't :x
[11:51] <TheSheep> but you must have something broken if the apps didn't update their fonts automagically
[11:51] <TheSheep> dbus maybe
[11:51] <ceil420> xchat updated fine
[11:51] <TheSheep> weird
[11:51] <ceil420> so did BitTornado and Evince
[11:52] <ceil420> and the settings GUI itself; firefox and xfrun are the only two that acted weird :x
[11:52] <TheSheep> do you have free space in your home?
[11:53] <ceil420> my space is limited? :o
[11:53] <TheSheep> of course, the disks are not made of rubber
[11:54] <ceil420> heh 12gb free
[11:54] <ceil420> thought for some reason you were on about a limit in space in ~/ specifically :x like Xgb max or sumn
[11:55] <TheSheep> ceil420: well, I don't know how you installed xubuntu, you might have eveything on a single partition, or on several separate ones
[11:56] <ceil420> Xubuntu's takin' up it's own 20gb hd
[11:56] <ceil420> no partitions
[11:58] <TheSheep> no ideas then
[11:59] <ceil420> thanks for your time and fixin' xfrun :x
[12:47] <wheels3572> Can anyone tell me how to set the Terminal Window
[12:47] <wheels3572> what's the command
[12:47] <wheels3572> x-terminal
[12:47] <wheels3572> or what
[12:50] <darrend_laptop> "set it"? what do you mean?
[12:50] <wheels3572> darrend_laptop, instead of always clicking on applications/system and terminal I wanna set a shortcut key
[12:51] <darrend_laptop> ah.  The command is just "Terminal"
[12:55] <wheels3572> ty Darren
[02:52] <Catoptromancy> is "./configure"   and then "make"  somehow different in x?ubuntu
[02:52] <Catoptromancy> I follow install instructions exactly and when I try to "make"  says it cant find soemthing
[02:53] <Catoptromancy> ./configure seems to work
[02:57] <grazie> Catoptromancy: the configure, make and make install is bog standard linux
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> i know
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> i must be doing something wrong
[02:57] <grazie> or maybe something wrong with the package
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> I dont think ive gotten anything installed native besides freecell and chess
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> wine works fine though
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> I assume "make" works in home user directorys
[02:59] <grazie> yeah
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> wine installed itself somewhere not in home and it works nearly perfect
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> heh ive even watched vid tutorials that pretty much did what i did
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> but with different programs
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> hmm
[03:02] <grazie> what package and what error? configure only really checks all is ok for building. it could easily have an error
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> really all packages
[03:05] <Catoptromancy> blender, prboom, eternity, ioquake3, openarena
[03:05] <Catoptromancy> I actually think I got ioquake3 installed
[03:05] <Catoptromancy> but i was launching it wrong
[03:05] <grazie> then you probably are doing something not quite right then
[03:06] <Catoptromancy> ill figure out
[03:06] <Catoptromancy> got a few saved pages to go through
[03:06] <Catoptromancy> but it seems like I was doing stuff right
[03:39] <hyper_ch> grazie: you're here?
[03:39] <grazie> yes
[03:40] <hyper_ch> do you know how I can setup rsync the way that it has less priority than e.g. Firefox?
[03:42] <grazie> not exactly....but using nice in some way
[03:42] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: Do you mean in terms of bandwidth usage or on the machine ?
[03:43] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: in terms of bandwidth usage but on the machine
[03:43] <hyper_ch> hmm, that probably isn't possible right?
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> Its not easy but it is possible
[03:44] <hyper_ch> grazie: process priority would be nice
[03:44] <hyper_ch> I mean "nice"
[03:44] <h3sp4wn> nice or renice that is quite easy
[03:44] <hyper_ch> what about bandwidth?
[03:45] <hyper_ch> or is there a way I can allocate max. bandwidth to rsync?
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> You have to use iptables
[03:45] <hyper_ch> eeks
[03:45] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: you scare me :)
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> Are you using rsync over ssh
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> if so that makes it even more difficult
[03:46] <Merchelo> !java
[03:46] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[03:46] <grazie> oh, didn't realise you use iptables to limit bandwidth
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> You have to use tc - and layer 7 filters
[03:46] <grazie> could use*
[03:46] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: whatever that is :)
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> but there is no l7 filter for rync that I can see
[03:47] <hyper_ch> ok... :) thx for trying :)
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> http://www.linux.com/howtos/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/index.shtml
[03:48] <grazie> h3sp4wn: did you get to try Arch?
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> grazie: Not yet
[03:54] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: the problem is how to match rsync - you cannot use port (because otherwise ssh would also be penalised) packet size maybe
[03:55] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: well, won't matter by ssh - I only have a limited upstream, 400kbit/s and I would like to say rsync can use up to 380kbit/s hence I'd still have 20kbit for surfing
[03:56] <hyper_ch> I normally don't use file transfer through ssh
[03:56] <hyper_ch> except for online editing of php files
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> rsync is insecure
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> if its not through ssh
[03:57] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: yes, I use it through ssh - but I don't see a reason why I should not limit ssh or why it would be bad
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> Well for me the most important thing is ssh and dns - hence they go into the priority class
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> but if you are using rsync + ssh then that would put rsync into the priority class when you want it in a lower one
[03:58] <hyper_ch> why that?
[03:58] <hyper_ch> why do you have ssh in a priority class?
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> nothing worse than a laggy ssh connection
[03:59] <hyper_ch> ^^
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> http://pastebin.ca/442808
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> that is the mangle table I am using
[04:02] <hyper_ch> is there a way to limit incoming ssh?
[04:03] <hyper_ch> and I have no clue what this all means :)
[04:04] <hyper_ch> well, I have to do some work now anyway :)
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> you need to read and understand traffic control
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> and spend ages (I mean ages) messing with it to get it right - there is stuff like wondershaper but it sucks
[04:08] <amsmith42hs> Keyboard shortcut to lock an xfce desktop?
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> control alt delete
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> (if xlockmore or xlockmore-gl is installed anyway)
[04:09] <amsmith42hs> Thank you much
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> well for me it works anyway
[04:09] <amsmith42hs> That does the trick.
[04:14] <amsmith42hs> I forget the name of the network connection icon panel program...
[04:14] <highvoltage> network manager?
[04:15] <amsmith42hs> Eh, I don't think it is in the repositories. It works like a Windows one.
[04:15] <amsmith42hs> Oh, well.
[04:16] <amsmith42hs> But if network manager will do the same thing, I'll use it. I just don't know how to do that.
[04:17] <amsmith42hs> Nevermind.
[04:17] <amsmith42hs> Did it.
[04:17] <amsmith42hs> :P
[04:18] <amsmith42hs> Oh, except what do I use for "network device"? IP? MAC? encap?
[04:19] <amsmith42hs> Nevermind again...
[04:19] <amsmith42hs> lol
[04:19] <amsmith42hs> I'm smarter than I thought :P
[04:31] <BrianBoyko> Hello - I have an interesting problem.
[04:33] <BrianBoyko> I'd like to reformat my low-end laptop and load Xubuntu but when I do so I find I no longer have access to WiFi - and thus, no more access to the Internet.  It detects the hardware alright but I don't have an app which can scan for networks installed.  I'd rather not connect to an ethernet line if I can avoid it.  Is there any way to get something like "wifi radar" on Xubuntu from the LiveCD or by putting a package file on a burned CD?
[04:35] <TheSheep> there is a command line utility for that, I think
[04:36] <TheSheep> !wifi | BrianBoyko
[04:36] <ubotu> BrianBoyko: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:37] <BrianBoyko> TheSheep: Sorry, but that's not really answering my question.  WiFi works out of the gate.  The problem is I'm not sure how to configure it.
[04:37] <BrianBoyko> To connect to my network.
[04:38] <BrianBoyko> Because I lack things such as my SSID.
[04:39] <TheSheep> BrianBoyko: try: iwconfig eth0 ssid any
[04:39] <TheSheep> BrianBoyko: replace eth0 with your actual wireless interface
[04:39] <TheSheep> essid
[04:39] <TheSheep> sorry
[04:39] <TheSheep> iwconfig eth0 essid any
[04:42] <kalikiana> Check that out, you crazy coders: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/09/bloggers-block-3-dreaming-in-browser.html
[04:43] <BrianBoyko> Thanks.
[04:49] <newz2000> who is the xubuntu webmaster?
[04:55] <TheSheep> newz2000: I think there are several people with access to the web page
[04:55] <TheSheep> newz2000: best write to xubuntu-devel mailing list
[04:55] <newz2000> ah. I'm the Ubuntu.com webmaster, wanted to help out by coordinating efforts for release
[04:56] <TheSheep> newz2000: that would be awesome
[04:56] <newz2000> are you guys shooting for the same release date as Ubuntu?
[04:56] <TheSheep> newz2000: I guess so, possibly with a small delay
[04:56] <TheSheep> (I'm not a dev)
[04:57] <newz2000> ah, ok. Thanks.
[04:57] <TheSheep> newz2000: if you want to get someone alive, I think you should check in several hours from now
[04:57] <newz2000> ok. I'll try your suggestion of sending to -devel
[04:57] <TheSheep> newz2000: they are mostly from US
[04:58] <newz2000> what, they're not up yet? Lazy bums.
[04:59] <TheSheep> maxamillion: who's the chief webmaster of xubuntu.org? not you, by any chance? ;)
[04:59] <TheSheep> maxamillion: newz2000 came to help us
[04:59] <maxamillion> TheSheep: that would be cody ... he's the only one with shell access
[05:00] <newz2000> maxamillion: I'm the ubuntu.com webmater. I just wanted to try and coordinate our efforts for release (if that would be helpful)
[05:01] <TheSheep> maxamillion: btw, I have the drupal theme, will do the recoloring today ;)
[05:01] <maxamillion> newz2000: oh, awesome ... we are actually attempting to re-theme our drupal setup and  ... oh, nvm TheSheep is on it
[05:01] <maxamillion> TheSheep: you are the man
[05:01] <maxamillion> highvoltage: hey jonathan
[05:01] <newz2000> :-)
[05:01] <TheSheep> maxamillion: not really, I was supposed to do that a week ago
[05:01] <highvoltage> hey maxamillion
[05:02] <maxamillion> TheSheep: oh ... but didn't you just recently get the theme code anyways?
[05:02] <newz2000> TheSheep: I've created a drupal module for updating the list of mirrors from launchpad (they have a mirror prober). Would that help?
[05:02] <maxamillion> newz2000: that would be awesome...  as of now, i update by hand
[05:03] <TheSheep> newz2000: I have no experience with the guts of drupal, I'm a css guy
[05:03] <newz2000> maxamillion: do you know for sure if https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+cdmirrors-rss is aplicable for you?
[05:03] <TheSheep> say, shoudn't we move to #xubuntu-devel or something?
[05:03] <newz2000> sure
[05:13] <concept10> Does xubuntu-desktop use GDM by default?
[05:13] <maxamillion> concept10: yes
[05:14] <concept10> maxamillion, thanks.
[05:14] <maxamillion> concept10: no prob
[05:16] <concept10> My system has some conflict/error.  When booting normally, the GDM locks up. (It shows Xubuntu GDM login)  When I boot single user mode and run GDM, I have no problems. (it shows normal ubuntu GDM login) Any suggestions?
[05:17] <maxamillion> concept10: that's strange .... what version of ubuntu you running?
[05:17] <concept10> maxamillion, feisty
[05:18] <concept10> maxamillion, see, I have mostly run ubuntu-desktop over the years, but recently switched/installed to xubuntu-desktop.  People with fresh systems may not see this problem.
[05:18] <concept10> This just occurred with the update to GDM 2.18.1 I think
[05:18] <maxamillion> concept10: hmmm... i might suggest dropping to command line and doing a package update and upgrade, its possible that there was a bug and they have submitted a fix ... but i honestly wouldn't know why it would cause an issue like that
[05:18] <maxamillion> ah, you just recently updated?
[05:19] <concept10> maxamillion, I have all updates
[05:19] <maxamillion> concept10: hmmm... ok
[05:19] <concept10> Im almost thinking that a normal boot uses xfwm4, but I could be wrong
[05:20] <maxamillion> well, gdm is independent of xfwm4 or metacity
[05:22] <concept10> yeah, that was a brain fart on my part
[05:22] <maxamillion> no worries
[05:23] <concept10> I need to figure out how to debug the gdmlogin since it just freezes
[05:23] <maxamillion> but yeah ... i am trying to think why gdm would bork on the xubuntu theme
[05:23] <concept10> yeah! Maybe its just the theme
[05:24] <concept10> I dont understand though, I have ubuntu regular theme set as default, and it still uses the xubuntu theme
[05:25] <concept10> this should mean that my GDM config file isnt being used
[05:25] <maxamillion> concept10: yeah, there is a command you need to run to set it back ... gimme a minute and i will find it
[05:25] <concept10> at least on normal boot
[05:35] <cyzie> 7.04 is feisty fawn ?
[05:35] <Ramla> Yes
[05:35] <cyzie> pl
[05:35] <cyzie> i have xubuntu 6.10
[05:36] <cyzie> can i upgrade to 7.04 without any problem ?
[05:37] <Ramla> It is likely. But I'd wait for the final
[05:38] <maxamillion> cyzie: you can upgrade, the package freeze happened last night (iirc) and the official release of final images will be in 4 or 5 days ... upgrading now shouldn't cause you problems
[05:38] <maxamillion> cyzie: i've been running feisty for a few months without issue
[05:38] <cyzie> i see. thanks
[05:38] <maxamillion> cyzie: np
[05:38] <cyzie> but i didnt have much time to go into details
[05:38] <cyzie> cuz i use fedora core 6 , debian and xubuntu
[05:39] <maxamillion> cyzie: fair enough .... a little variety never hurt anyone :)
[05:39] <maxamillion> concept10: do you have gnome installed?
[05:39] <cyzie> yea.. got confused sometime.... :-s
[05:39] <concept10> maxamillion, not the entire ubuntu-desktop, but most components
[05:39] <maxamillion> concept10: well, gnome?
[05:39] <Naughtyboy> guys..a question about autostarted services..??
[05:39] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: shoot
[05:40] <maxamillion> concept10: do you have gnome installed?
[05:40] <concept10> maxamillion, ubuntu-desktop is gnome, yes
[05:40] <maxamillion> concept10: rgr
[05:40] <Naughtyboy> anacron, atd, klogd, sysklogd and portmap....are they essential to my system..?
[05:41] <maxamillion> concept10: anyhoo, when you login in the recovery mode can you get to a gnome desktop?
[05:41] <concept10> maxamillion, I don't have the entire contents of the ubuntu-desktop metapackages, but I have pretty much every other gnome library
[05:41] <maxamillion> grazie: thank you ... i always forget that isn't general notation ;)
[05:41] <concept10> maxamillion, yes..
[05:41] <grazie> maxamillion: i think you're the only person I know that uses it on irc
[05:41] <concept10> maxamillion, I should mention that most of the time, I like to run my desktop this way.
[05:42] <maxamillion> concept10: hmmm... actually, my idea won't work because i don't think the setting would carry over ....
[05:42] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion,  ....anacron, atd, klogd, sysklogd and portmap....are they essential to my system..?
[05:42] <maxamillion> grazie: probably .... i picked it up chatting on aim with gamer friends
[05:42] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: maybe not portmap ... but the others i believe are
[05:43] <concept10> maxamillion, I like to use gnome panels, with xfdesktop and thunar, its kind of a mix between the two
[05:43] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: no wait ... i think you might need portmap too
[05:43] <maxamillion> concept10: fair enough ...
[05:43] <maxamillion> ah! ... i have class and need to run
[05:43] <concept10> maxamillion, thanks anyway
[05:43] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, _ OK..thnx for the help
[05:43] <h3sp4wn> You don't need portmap unless you are running an nfs server
[05:43] <maxamillion> concept10: no prob, sorry i have to go ... someone else might be able to help
[05:44] <h3sp4wn> (even with client you can use -o nolock)
[05:44] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: np
[05:44] <max_at_class> bbl
[05:45] <dooglus> how does one change the keyboard layout in xfce?
[05:46] <grazie> dooglus: country key mapping?
[05:46] <grazie> dooglus: or keyboard type?
[05:51] <dooglus> grazie: country
[05:51] <dooglus> grazie: I want US not UK
[05:52] <grazie> dooglus: easiest way is "sudo setxkbmap us" in a terminal
[05:52] <dooglus> grazie: will the 'stick' between reboots?
[05:53] <grazie> dooglus: yes
[05:53] <dooglus> grazie: thanks.  that seems to have worked.
[05:54] <grazie> np
[06:04] <dooglus> I think I selected UK a long time ago when I was using GNOME, maybe.  Then I switched to using other computers, all with the US layout, and now I'm back on this old laptop I can't use UK any more.
[06:04] <dooglus> The # and ~ and | keys are all in different places
[06:04] <dooglus> and \
[06:07] <grazie> hi cellofellow ... sort your system out?
[06:07] <grazie> sorted*
[06:08] <cellofellow> almost
[06:09] <cellofellow> I forgot those little lines I have to add to xorg.conf to disable compositing so that GL works.
[06:09] <grazie> glad to hear that. hope the almost isn't too much hassle
[06:10] <cellofellow> well, I now need to rack my brain for all of those programs I installed before, particularly third party ones.
[06:10] <cellofellow> non-repo I mean.
[06:24] <concept10> does xubuntu use something other than gdmgreeter?
[06:24] <Arkh> what is gdmgreeter?
[06:25] <concept10> Arkh, shows the login box and menu
[06:25] <Arkh> oh gdm
[06:25] <Arkh> do you want to change the theme or the proram?
[06:26] <concept10> Arkh, no, trying to debug..
[06:26] <Arkh> oh I see
[06:26] <concept10> Arkh, the Xubuntu greeter locks on my system
[06:26] <concept10> (freezes)
[06:27] <Arkh> just logging in or switching user?
[06:28] <concept10> Logging in
[06:28] <Arkh> Xubuntu Feisty?
[06:30] <concept10> Arkh, yes
[06:30] <Arkh> Bug description [edit] 
[06:30] <Arkh> Binary package hint: gdm
[06:30] <Arkh> If I log in as a second user and then try to log out, it hangs the system. I've got Intel graphic chip and use Beryl:
[06:31] <Arkh> Yes, I tried with xfwm4 and had the same result. Cheers.
[06:32] <Arkh> concept10, what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[06:32] <concept10> Arkh, no errors
[06:33] <Arkh> did you try to log in without gdm
[06:33] <h3sp4wn> Is the release candidate of feisty out yet ?
[06:33] <Arkh> and dist-upgrade the system?
[06:33] <concept10> Arkh, you mean startx?
[06:33] <Arkh> or just Ctrl + Alt +F2
[06:33] <Arkh> h3sp4wn, it really doesn't seem so
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> Arkh: I wonder if they just release in 2 days or whatever without one or not
[06:34] <Arkh> Latest News
[06:34] <Arkh>     * Xubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) beta released
[06:34] <Arkh>     * Xubuntu Feisty Fawn - Pre-beta testing
[06:34] <Arkh>     * Herd 5 Released
[06:34] <Arkh> the site has a banner about the coutdown
[06:34] <Arkh> they say in 4 days.. who knows..
[06:35] <grazie> h3sp4wn: max_at_class said earlier the release is now  frozen so an update will give you the release unless something goes bad
[06:35] <Merchelo> what's herd?
[06:35] <grazie> !herd
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about herd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <Arkh> a previous beta version
[06:35] <concept10> time to drag out meld
[06:35] <Merchelo> ahh ok
[06:36] <Arkh> alpha*
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> grazie: It would be alot easier if the ubuntu release schedule was closer to the fedora one
[06:38] <h3sp4wn> interestingly enough the hard locks I was having have gone away since updating to a clean 2.6.21-rc6
[06:39] <Arkh> compiling vanillas or from repo?
[06:39] <h3sp4wn> straight from kernel.org
[06:39] <Arkh> so do I usually
[06:39] <Arkh> but I tend to get the latest "stable" version
[06:39] <concept10> meld is bad ass for diffs
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> Arkh: I usually use the latest snapshot - and other bits I am interested in from -mm or wherever (Like RSDL at the moment)
[06:41] <Arkh> :)
[06:42] <h3sp4wn> But to be honest I would have expected ubuntu's kernel to be alot more stable than this one
[06:43] <Arkh> RDSL?
[06:43] <Arkh> that's a new word :p
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/staircase-deadline/
[06:45] <Arkh> oh, Rotating Staircase Deadline Scheduler
[06:45] <concept10> I personally think this release is going to be worse than dapper->edgy
[06:45] <concept10> unless they delay
[06:45] <Arkh> better performance h3sp4wn ?
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> Arkh: Its strange how it works but it seems to work well
[06:47] <concept10> h3sp4wn, do you use this on your  embedded kernels also?
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I have got it on one to test
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> Arkh: I thought there was no way deadline would ever be good for a desktop
[06:48] <concept10> This is the best aspect of GNU/Linux in my opinion.  The ability and diversity of different methods of kernel configs
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> concept10: Running with 2.6.19.7
[06:49] <concept10> h3sp4wn, I try to stay abreast of the kernel changes but some of the stuff flies over my head like crows :)
[06:51] <concept10> h3sp4wn, ive been watching a bunch of free CS lectures learning all about kernels though.  Its amazing what you can learn for free on the net these days.
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> understanding some parts is not impossible though
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> I only use ck's patches though because what he wants is system to be like is exactly how I want mine
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> keep it responsive under whatever load
[06:55] <concept10> I personally don't understand how people even begin to grok most of this stuff.  Im thinking that it will take at least a year of lurking and a mostly CS education to even begin contributing to the kernel. (not the janitorial stuff)
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> ck is a doctor by trade not a programmer so it is possible
[07:00] <concept10> h3sp4wn, do you have any idea what this big gnome announcement is supposed to be?
[07:01] <grazie> if ck is a doctor then he also isn't stupid
[07:01] <concept10> right
[07:02] <concept10> speaking of doctors, friggin google video has a video of an autopsy.. couldnt watch it :)
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> concept10: First I have heard of it
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I haven't even looked at gnome since .14 (as soon as it got mono I haven't used it since)
[07:09] <grazie> grazie: gave up on gnome when it got fat
[07:09] <concept10> h3sp4wn, you can run gnome without any mono
[07:09] <concept10> I have not one single mono binary on my system
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> concept10: its a dependancy of some part of it
[07:11] <concept10> h3sp4wn, tomboy/beagle - if you roll with the default ubuntu-desktop
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> I don't think any interpretted stuff belongs as part of a desktop
[07:13] <concept10> h3sp4wn, python either?
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> concept10: none - no perl / python / ruby anything
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> I don't like the way the apps feel
[07:14] <concept10> h3sp4wn, I guess I don't mind python for desktop, but any others no.  Actually I like when small apps are made with python..  That's easy hackin'
[07:16] <grazie> I wouldn't have thought having most linux distros without python was very easy?
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> my laptop has just python python-minimal python2.4 python2.4-minimal (debian)
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> only reason I have those is for alsa-utils
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> thats fine though because its not a gui app on my desktop
[07:20] <concept10> ubutnu _loves_ python on the desktop.  I like the Exaile music app.  I get to do all sorts of silly additions to it because of python
[07:20] <Arkh> I like exaile too
[07:21] <Arkh> too bad it doesn't have proxy support :(
[07:21] <h3sp4wn> I just use amarok
[07:21] <h3sp4wn> or moc
[07:21] <Arkh> lol music on console :p
[07:22] <concept10> h3sp4wn, its also interesting to read about Pardus Linux.  They have re-written damn near everything in python.. even the boot scripts!
[07:22] <BFTD> how do you pronounce "Amarok"?
[07:22] <TheSheep> "I'm a rock"
[07:22] <BFTD> ah
[07:22] <BFTD> ok
[07:22] <TheSheep> kiddin
[07:22] <TheSheep> no idea
[07:23] <BFTD> yeah
[07:23] <BFTD> same here
[07:30] <concept10> h3sp4wn, this is a good read (if your into init): http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projeler/comar/SpeedingUpLinuxWithPardus.html
[07:37] <concept10> h3sp4wn, damn, the bootchart shows .17 secs on a P4 2.8 ghz system.  Thats about a minute faster than my system (slower drive though)
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> I think mine boots in about 15 seconds (after the kernel bit finishes)
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> but as it only boots up once a days its not a huge problem
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> an init system using compiled lisp might be interesting
[08:37] <kalabaw> question guys: where is the option to 'not show the menu icons' ?
[08:39] <TheSheep> kalabaw: you need to put it in your .gtkrc-2.0 by hand
[08:40] <TheSheep> kalabaw: gtk-menu-images = 0
[08:40] <kalabaw> will try that man. thanks.
[08:44] <kalabaw> TheSheep: thanks man! worked great.
[08:45] <TheSheep> kalabaw: you can also put it into a theme
[08:46] <kalabaw> i have another question though, is it possible to show the 'Home' and other mounted device icons in XFCE's desktop?
[08:46] <TheSheep> kalabaw: yes, copy the file /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfdesktop/xfdesktoprc into your ~/.config/xfce4/xfdesktop and edit it to change the settings
[08:47] <TheSheep> kalabaw: or just edit it where it is if you want to change it system-wide
[08:47] <TheSheep> sorry, not xfdesktop, desktop alone
[08:48] <kalabaw> TheSheep:will try that one man. thanks. just trying to grasp the XFCE interface. switching from gnome. thanks.
[08:48] <TheSheep> kalabaw: The Fesity Fawn has this also in gui, in settings->desktop settings, second tab
[08:49] <TheSheep> kalabaw: but in Edgy you have to use an editor
[08:49] <kalabaw> thanks. will keep that in mind.
[08:50] <kalabaw> still in edgy. waiting for feisty..
[08:50] <TheSheep> soon :)
[08:50] <kalabaw> really sooon :)
[08:54] <kalabaw> TheSheep: cant find the xfdesktoprc on that directory.
[08:55] <kalabaw> all i can see is a bunch of menu.xml files and xfce-registered-categories files...
[08:57] <TheSheep> kalabaw: try mine: http://wiki.sheep.art.pl/Sandbox
[08:58] <kalabaw> ayt..thanks..
[09:51] <AgentScorpion> I am installing xubuntu 10 from the alternate iso image which has been burned to a cdrom. 3 Errors have occured: zlib failed to install, it failed to configure the base system and it failed to find a suitable kernel
[09:52] <maku> hello?
[09:52] <grazie> AgentScorpion: did you md5sum check your download?
[09:53] <AgentScorpion> no i will do now
[09:53] <maku> i'm a brand new user to linux and am trying to install xubuntu as my only OS on an older computer, but must be doing something wrong.
[09:54] <maku> after trying multiple ISO install disks, I finally had success with the "alternate" install disk.
[09:54] <grazie> AgentScorpion: hang on... you might as well run check cd now you've aleady done a burn?
[09:55] <AgentScorpion> yeah could do that
[09:55] <kalikiana> maku, So is it working now? It's perfectly fine that for example the live cd fails.
[09:55] <grazie> maku: good news ... welcome to the club
[09:55] <maku> I don't really know what to do with the hard drive file system, but I believe i did LVM.  after it said it was installed and do remove CD and restart, it just stops on the loading screen.
[09:55] <maku> I have 2 Harddrives in my box, one is 40gb and other is 8gb.
[09:55] <maku> I don't know how to make them fat32.
[09:56] <maku> I thought the OS installation would do that.
[09:56] <maku> I had windows XP on there, but don't want it at all.
[09:56] <maku> any suggestions on getting just xubuntu as the OS?
[09:57] <grazie> maku: why do you to make them fat32? linux can't install on that file system
[09:57] <kalikiana> Why would you want fat32 - except for parallel use of windows?
[09:57] <maku> i thought linux needed fat32....will xubuntu installation format the hard disk how it needs to be, or do I need to do that beforehand?
[09:57] <grazie> maku: fat32 is ok to share data with Windows, but ext2/3 is better
[09:58] <maku> all the forumns i had been reading said to change from ntfs to fat32, so that's why i thought it needed to be fat32.
[09:58] <maku> but I don't want to run windows at all...just linux.
[09:59] <grazie> maku: the installer has three different install routes
[09:59] <AgentScorpion> grazie: ./pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-image-2.6.17-10-386_2.6.17-10.33_i386.db failed check :-(
[10:00] <AgentScorpion> ill check the iso file
[10:00] <grazie> AgentScorpion: the do the md5sum check. burning slowly (x4 or less) often results in better burns
[10:01] <maku> grazie: which install route will setup everything how i need it automatically?
[10:01] <grazie> maku: you can 1. use the whole disk. 2. use the largest free space on the disk 3. configure the disk how you want
[10:02] <grazie> maku: option 1 is the easiest route and everything will be done for you
[10:02] <maku> should I try to "reinstall" using the alternate disk again?
[10:03] <grazie> maku: no don't reinstall. just do a new install
[10:03] <maku> should I use the alternate disk?
[10:04] <grazie> maku: you much ram and how big is the disk?
[10:04] <maku> 128mb ram, 40gb hard drive.
[10:04] <maku> 700 mhz pentium 3 processor.
[10:05] <grazie> yes use the alternate. disk is bigger than I expected :)
[10:05] <maku> i have another hard drive that is 8 gb inside computer...should I tell the install to do anything with that?
[10:06] <grazie> maku: it is up to you. it's certainly not needed
[10:06] <maku> grazie: thanks so much.  I'll go get it started...hopefully it will work this time.  thanks again!!
[10:07] <grazie> maku: if the drive isn't ancient I would use the 8gb for the linux install and use as much of the 40gb disk as I needed for data and backups
[10:15] <T`2> hi, my time is 1hr behind ... i think its the DST bug.. i'm on PST .. anyone know how to fix this?
[10:28] <grazie> T`2: do you dual boot?
[10:34] <T`2> grazie, no
[10:34] <T`2> grazie, just linux
[10:36] <grazie> T`2: I don't know anything about a DST bug, so can't offer any suggestions
[10:41] <T`2> grazie, ok thanks
[10:54] <ciro314> hello
[10:57] <ciro314> im running xubuntu on a pIII 500 mhz and 64 mb ram and i would like to know some tips to run it faster. i have disabled gnome on startup and thumbnails. could anyone help me?
[10:58] <Arkh> install more ram
[10:58] <Arkh> 64 are too low..
[10:58] <Arkh> at least for a graphical interface
[10:58] <ciro314> it works fine. but a bit slow
[10:59] <grazie> ciro314: if you don't need printer daemons, you can remove cupsys and hplip
[10:59] <Arkh> cups ?
[10:59] <ciro314> i need
[11:00] <ciro314> what about installing fluxbox. would be easy?
[11:03] <grazie> ciro314: I installed fluxbox with breezy ubuntu on an old Mac and it made a big difference. The difference will not be a great awhen compared to xfce though. Installing fluxbox is very easy.
[11:03] <grazie> as great*
[11:04] <ciro314> could you paste a command to install fluxbox?
[11:04] <ciro314> sudo aptitude install fluxbox rox-filler ...
[11:05] <ciro314> i tried to install fluxbox but a i can not do anything on screen
[11:05] <ciro314> and i can not run programs
[11:05] <grazie> i did that a year or so ago so you as know as much as me
[11:21] <dooglus> grazie: I rebooted, and my keyboard has switched back to UK setting...
[11:23] <grazie> dooglus: oh? I'm surprise...you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "gb" to "us"
[11:23] <grazie> dooglus: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:30] <dooglus> grazie: what about the virtual consoles?
[11:30] <grazie> dooglus: what about them?
[11:31] <dooglus> grazie: they're gb too
[11:31] <grazie> dooglus: that sounds like a bug (unfortunately)
[11:32] <dooglus> grazie: it does?
[11:32] <dooglus> grazie: you wouldn't expect virtual console settings to be affected by xorg.conf, surely?
[11:32] <grazie> dooglus: what country code do you get if you don't start X?
[11:33] <grazie> dooglus: real not virtual console?
[11:34] <dooglus> grazie: I don't have any real consoles attached to this computer
[11:34] <dooglus> grazie: but all 6 virtual consoles are in 'gb' layout
[11:35] <grazie> dooglus: no. I meant if you boot without X, you could boot in recovery mode to check
[11:36] <dooglus> grazie: I always boot without X
[11:37] <dooglus> grazie: and I get 'gb' layout
[11:37] <dooglus> grazie: I expect I asked for it once a long time ago, but I forget how
[11:38] <grazie> dooglus: you're not using the X at all? If so setxkbmode shouldn't have done anything
[11:38] <dooglus> grazie: I use X most of the time
[11:39] <dooglus> grazie: but I never boot into it
[11:39] <dooglus> grazie: I start gdm when I want it running
[11:39] <grazie> dooglus: i did this recently on debian...lemme think
[11:39] <dooglus> grazie: I don't often physically sit at this machine, and it doesn't have a lot of RAM, so when it's acting as a server, it doesn't run X
[11:44] <Arkh> dooglus, I think loadkeys should you
[11:44] <Arkh> man loadkeys I don't remeber exactly how it works
[11:44] <Arkh> should help you*
[11:48] <grazie> could be....really can't remember
[11:50] <dooglus> 'install-keymap' seems to be it
[11:50] <dooglus> thanks to the 'loadkeys' lead from Arkh
[11:50] <Arkh> :)
[11:50] <Arkh> it is loadkeys on gentoo
[11:50] <Arkh> I had to install a gentoo server some weeks ago :p
[11:50] <dooglus> so "sudo install-keymap us"
[11:51] <dooglus> it's loadkeys on debian too - /etc/init.d/keymap.sh uses loadkeys to load /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz
[11:51] <grazie> dooglus: I think loadkeys works on debian (abd hence ubuntu) too#
[11:51] <dooglus> grazie: sure, but I'd have to do it each time I booted
[11:51] <grazie> dooglus: I see
[11:51] <dooglus> install-keymap writes to boottime.kmap.gz, so it persists between boots
[11:51] <dooglus> thanks for the help
[11:52] <grazie> dooglus: so "install-keymap" for console and "setxkbmap" for X...will try to remember
[11:52] <dooglus> now on to more challenging problems:  why is my code crashing on this machine when it's exactly the same code and the same compilers as on my other machine :(
[11:53] <grazie> we need some more clues
[11:53] <dooglus> grazie: yes.  except 'setxkbmap' doesn't 'stick' between boots - you're better off editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:53] <grazie> that's crap
[11:54] <grazie> makes setxkbmap pretty useless
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> I just usually edit xorg.conf anyway
[11:54] <dooglus> grazie: another clue: "Segmentation fault"
[11:55] <Arkh> ...
[11:55] <grazie> well I usually check the ram first on seg faults
[11:56] <dooglus> grazie: I don't think it's the RAM - I think it's more to do with my dicking about with the build environment
[11:58] <grazie> dooglus: does dicking mean you can't undo your changes?
[12:00] <dooglus> grazie: I made the changes months ago and can't remember what exactly I did
[12:00] <dooglus> I know I made some symlinks in /usr/local/lib back into the build directory - and I've removed those
[12:01] <dooglus> and the source code is all under source control, so I can see that that's not been changed locally
[12:01] <dooglus> I think the problem may be that I have an old 'stable' package on the same program installed
[12:02] <grazie> Too tricky for me I'm afraid
[12:02] <dooglus> I installed the distro's official package - that puts a bunch of libs into /usr/lib/...
[12:02] <dooglus> then I built a newer version from source as well and installed it
[12:02] <dooglus> that puts newer versions of the libs into /usr/local/lib/...
[12:03] <dooglus> so I've got 2 copies of each library - and I'm guessing it's maybe using the wrong one
[12:03] <grazie> not too hard rename and check?
[12:04] <dooglus> I'm just uninstalling the old packages
[12:05] <grazie> time for bed...nite all
[12:06] <dooglus> nite