[12:26] <LaserJock> Burgwork: pingy
[12:26] <Burgwork> LaserJock: pong
[12:27] <LaserJock> Burgwork: did you see http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/29 ?
[12:28] <Burgwork> LaserJock: nope, not until now
[12:29] <LaserJock> Burgwork: you might know the name, I had to google, he's the Community Development Manager for Red Hat
[12:29] <Burgwork> yep
[12:29] <Burgwork> he and mark have exchanged words in teh past
[12:30] <LaserJock> good ones? :-)
[12:30] <Burgwork> not really
[12:31] <Burgwork> http://gregdek.livejournal.com/
[12:31] <Burgwork> http://www.tapioneer.com/
[12:31] <Burgwork> look on that page
[12:31] <Burgwork> tell me what scares you
[12:33] <LaserJock> argg
[12:33] <Burgwork> http://www.tapioneer.com/press/040307_Rel.php
[12:33] <Burgwork> have we got a name who works there?
[12:34] <LaserJock> well, Canonical would
[01:32] <pygi> hi folks
[01:32] <Burgwork> hey pygi
[01:32] <pygi> long time no see Burgwork ^_^
[01:33] <Burgwork> indeed
[01:33] <Burgwork> was thinking the same thing
[01:33] <pygi> how have you been?
[01:33] <Burgwork> busy at work
[01:33] <pygi> heh, tell me about being busy :'(
[01:34] <ajmitch> :)
[01:35] <pygi> ajmitch, everybody can :P
[01:36] <LaserJock> I can :-)
[01:36] <ajmitch> pygi: ready for soc?
[01:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: but you're a superstar, you can handle it
[01:36] <LaserJock> blah
[01:36] <pygi> ajmitch, I am, I'm working on great stuff anyway ^_^
[01:36] <pygi> ajmitch, I already started my work :P
[01:37] <ajmitch> yes, months ago :P
[01:38] <pygi> ajmitch, like 8 or 9 months ago? :P
[01:39] <pygi> don't you touch my code you evil thing! :P
[01:39] <ajmitch> nah, why would I?
[01:39] <pygi> haha :)
[01:39] <ajmitch> my interests lie in networking stuf
[01:40] <LaserJock> I don't really burn anymore in Linux either
[01:40] <ajmitch> oh I do burn cds, but not often
[01:40] <ajmitch> right click iso & write to disk
[01:40] <ajmitch> or put in a blank cd & drag files to the window & write :)
[01:41] <LaserJock> I only burn in OS X anymore because of the fast uni connection
[01:42] <LaserJock> that and I don't hop distros every 2 weeks like I used to ;-)
[01:43] <LaserJock> I've got a few (Fedora and openSuse) in vmware
[01:44] <LaserJock> just to see what other people are doing
[01:44] <bimberi> yes Ubuntu cured me of distro-hopping :)
[01:45] <bimberi> hm, get this from that tapioneer site - "The community edition of Pioneer is FREE. We expect people to abide by the GPL and not sell these for profit."
[01:45] <ajmitch> heh
[01:45] <ajmitch> so many people don't comprehend the GPL
[01:46] <LaserJock> they are also sponsoring Automatix
[01:46] <bimberi> yes, I saw that
[01:46] <ajmitch> scary
[01:47] <LaserJock> well, at least it's not as scary as it used to be
[01:47] <LaserJock> although I think it's mostly redundant/obsolete
[01:51] <LaserJock> oh nifty, I just killed anaconda
[01:56] <Burgwork> LaserJock:
[01:56] <Burgwork> hmm, nevermind
[05:03] <Richard_mlk_23> hi
[05:04] <Richard_mlk_23>  anyone can help me , i got problem with my gcc, it doesn't perform cross compiling anyone to help ?
[07:00] <bimberi> @now
[07:00] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 17 2007, 05:00:20 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 9 hours 59 minutes
[07:02] <bimberi> @now berlin
[07:02] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: April 17 2007, 07:02:06 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 9 hours 57 minutes
[12:25] <ogra> i'm pondering to spec that for UDS
[12:37] <bimberi> ogra: I like the idea.  Broadens the scope of the ubuntu LTSP solution.  Currently "Edu" constrains (but does focus) it.
[12:37] <RichEd> ogra: that would make sense ... if only to seperate in people's minds that LTSP is not just for edubuntu ... and expose ubuntu LTSP for icafe's & commercial work environments
[12:38] <bimberi> hi RichEd
[12:38] <RichEd> hi bimberi :)
[12:38] <bimberi> :)
[12:39] <RichEd> ogra: this was a discussion i was having with rodarvus a while back ...
[12:39] <bimberi> where is rodarvus?
[12:39] <RichEd> bimberi: he retired from canonical due to personal domestic issues ...
[12:39] <ogra> RichEd, the ubuntu cd could have varoius install modes like thin-client-server, fat-client-server or perbuild icafe ...
[12:40] <bimberi> RichEd: ah, kk, thanks
[12:40] <ogra> it would solve the shipit problems we have with the two CD thing as well
[12:41] <ogra> currently edubuntu-server is only ltsp ...
[12:41] <RichEd> ogra: yep ... it may be an idea to draw up a matrix of target configurations ... and work out the easiest way to get there by adding modules to the basic versions ... give me a sec to play around in a text doc
[12:41] <RichEd> back in a bit
[12:41] <ogra> and with it you dont gain anything beyond the ltsp-server-standalone package
[12:42] <ogra> well, i need mdz confirmation to have a new ubuntu flavor ...
[12:42] <ogra> or even sabdfl
[12:42] <RichEd> well it need not be a flavour on its own ...
[12:42] <bimberi> ie. TB?
[12:42] <ogra> it would be our edubuntu CD, debranded and with a normal ubuntu desktop
[12:42] <RichEd> quick question ... is the ubuntu server a "more efficient server" than the edubuntu one ?
[12:43] <ogra> all the remaining edu bits would move to the second CD
[12:43] <RichEd> yep ... so that is not a new flavour ... it is Ubuntu LTSP
[12:43] <ogra> heh, no the ubuntu-server iso has the purpose to serve witout a desktop
[12:44] <RichEd> ^^ is that desired in Education anywhere ?
[12:44] <ogra> we cant just add ltsp to it ... so we'll need a new iso and flavor ...
[12:44] <ogra> for webservers etc ...
[12:44] <RichEd> we cant just add ltsp to it <- explain ?
[12:44] <ogra> in big environments you might have a lot of desktop less servers
[12:45] <ogra> ltsp re4quires a full desktop install on the server
[12:45] <bimberi> could ltsp fit on the alternate cd?
[12:46] <RichEd> in big environments you might have a lot of desktop less servers <- also true for a large school ... but then i assume that you'd go for ubuntu as the server if there was no need to run a desktop on the server, OR LTSP off the server ?
[12:46] <bimberi> hm, 696MB, probably not
[12:47] <bimberi> !info ltsp-server-standalone feisty
[12:47] <ubotu> ltsp-server-standalone: Complete LTSP server environment. In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.7 (feisty), package size 28 kB, installed size 80 kB
[12:48] <bimberi> well 28kB would fit ;p
[12:50] <ogra> that means all desktop packages need to be on the CD
[12:51] <ajmitch> so how would this be different from how it currently is?
[12:51] <ajmitch> no educational apps?
[12:52] <SiCk> hey, can someone pastebin me their /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-Kiosk from feisty?
[12:52] <SiCk> there's something im missing and i cant remember for the life of me whawt it was
[12:54] <RichEd> ogra: -> msg window with too much to paste in here
[12:59] <ogra_> grmbl
[01:00] <highvoltage> is that like a drbl frontend?
[01:00] <ogra_> :P
[01:04] <bimberi> SiCk: Sorry, I would help but don't have a feisty install handy :|
[01:05] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16106/
[01:23] <SiCk> thanks ogra!
[01:56] <skwashd> hi all
[01:57] <skwashd> i have been trying to find info on this ... but i haven't had much luck
[01:57] <skwashd> is it possible to have edubuntu running on 1 box and dhcp on another ?
[01:57] <ogra> sure
[01:58] <ogra> but edubuntu will start the dhcp server by default if you do a server install ... you need to manually disable it ... and indeed you need a physical connection between the clients and the dhcp server in your network
[01:59] <skwashd> ogra: yeah thats call
[01:59] <skwashd> i plan to install edubuntu under KVM
[01:59] <ogra> install the server with a single network card and that should work ... but make sure to configure your dhcp server correctly
[01:59] <skwashd> and keep my existing dhcp server
[02:00] <skwashd> then play with a couple of client machines
[02:01] <jsgotangco> argghh vmware is slowing down everything
[02:02] <skwashd> ogra: thanks for the info
[02:05] <sbalneav> Morning all
[02:06] <sbalneav> ?
[02:06] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav!
[02:06] <sbalneav> Morning highvoltage
[02:07] <sbalneav> Sitting here, very tired, in the Continental VIP lounge in Newark, New Jersey, after 24 hours of travel, and still another 8 to go.
[02:08] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: condolences, have you got anything besides idle IRC channels to entertain you?
[02:09] <sbalneav> Oh, yeah.  DBUS documentation, Xorg source code, etc.
[02:09] <highvoltage> sbalneav: ouch!
[02:09] <sbalneav> Unfortunately, I'm trying to work up the mental reserves to dig into them.  I've got at least a 3 hour wait.
[02:09] <highvoltage> sbalneav: how's newark?
[02:09] <sbalneav> It's a nice airport.
[02:09] <sbalneav> And the VIP lounge is even nicer.
[02:10] <sbalneav> I'm beginning to get to the point where I think I should break down and buy a cell phone.
[02:10] <sbalneav> Heh.
[02:11] <sbalneav> I'm thinking Newark is where they exiled everyone who couldn't say "New York"
[02:12] <sbalneav> Problem is, if I'm going to buy a cell phone, with all the international jet-setting I've been doing in the last few years, the only thing that makes sense is to buy a dual-mode (CDMA and GSM) phone.
[02:12] <sbalneav> Which automatically puts me into the > $200 range, with way less choice.
[02:13] <highvoltage> perhaps they still sell the single band phones in the US :)
[02:14] <sbalneav> Yeah, US and Canada are mostly single band phones.
[02:14] <sbalneav> Centre of the Universe and all.
It's REAL great to be Leaders Of The Free World</sarcasm>
[02:14] <highvoltage> heh :)
[02:14] <cliebow_> heh!
[02:15] <cliebow_> still down there?
[02:15] <sbalneav> Apparently, LEADING the free world means not being able to TALK to it :)
[02:15] <sbalneav> However, I'm straying dangerously OT
[02:15] <sbalneav> cliebow_: yeah, I'll be back in Canuckistan by 4:00 today.
[02:16] <cliebow_> dont know whether that is a good thing
[02:16] <highvoltage> I'm just a bit afraid that it won't be as good as the V3 razr, which I found to be a very nice phone
[02:17] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Why would you want to talk to your subjugates? it just gets in the way of oppressing them...
[02:18] <knix_> Is it possible to upgrade Ubuntu server 6.06 to feisty?
[02:18] <cliebow_> sure
[02:18] <sbalneav> SimonAnibal: heh, I take some comfort in the fact that I'm from Canada, and therefore, slightly less guilty. :)
[02:18] <ogra> but only via edgy ...
[02:18] <RichEd> sbalneav: spelling mistake i presume you mean BLEEDING the free world ?
[02:19] <ogra> skippin one release isnt tested or supported ...
[02:19] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Oh, you're a subjugate, too, I don't think I should be speaking to you
[02:19] <sbalneav> SimonAnibal: What, we subjigates aren't allowed to speak to each other? :)
[02:19] <sbalneav> ogra: Morning!
[02:20] <ogra> hey sbalneav
[02:20] <sbalneav> ogra: Here's my results of my straw polls:
[02:20] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Well, I live in the U.S. so does that mean I'm a subjugator? Or since I'm Venezuelan does that mean I'm a subjugate?
[02:20] <sbalneav> Of *buntu users:
[02:20] <sbalneav> 35% are Edubuntu!!!!!
[02:20] <ogra> in -br :)
[02:20] <sbalneav> LOTS of Edubuntu are being deployed!
[02:20] <ogra> nice !
[02:21] <SimonAnibal> Oh, who are we kidding? we're all subjugates
[02:21] <sbalneav> SimonAnibal: Flip a coin :)
[02:21] <sbalneav> SimonAnibal: We saw lots of Ven. nacionales down here!
[02:21] <sbalneav> Well represented at FISL.
[02:21] <SimonAnibal> If you ever worry about money, I'd say you qualify as subjugate
[02:21] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Neat! From the Ubuntu-ve team?
[02:22] <sbalneav> Yeah, met at least ONE wearing a u-ve shirt
[02:22] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Oooo, I bet I know them, did you catch a name?
[02:22] <sbalneav> And, Simon Phipps announced, Java will be GNU by june \o/
[02:23] <SimonAnibal> Oh, awesome, too late for Feisty but quite early enough for Gutsy
[02:23] <sbalneav> SimonAnibal: I've got a big book of names packed in my luggage somewhere, when I get home, I'll post some notes.  I did probably get a name, but after being awake 28 hours, it's escaping me :)
[02:24] <ogra> sbalneav, you were on planet in a pic btw :)
[02:24] <sbalneav> ogra: I'm more convinced than ever: South America is going to be in the core of the Linux/Ubuntu  hurricane that will sweep the world.
[02:24] <sbalneav> Oh?
[02:24] <ogra> dont underestimate asia ;)
[02:25] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Does the name Rolando ring a bell?
[02:25] <sbalneav> Hmmmm
[02:25] <sbalneav> A "Roland" rings a bell, but I can't put any names to faces right now.
[02:25] <ogra> sbalneav, i think its gone already
[02:25] <ogra> it was on jonos blog
[02:26] <SimonAnibal> ogra, not to underestimate Asia and their ability to get momentum quickly, but Latin America already has momentum, and legislation in place to encourage the use of Free Software
[02:26] <sbalneav> ogra: Asia will have numbers.  But South America actually GETS the "Libre" in Freedom
[02:27] <SimonAnibal> Not to mention, I think Microsoft underestimates South America (being Third World and all), while they're pouring resources into Asia, which will have an effect
[02:27] <sbalneav> Asia will use Linux because it's Fr. a. i. Be. South Am.  will use it as an actual istrument of social change.
[02:27] <sbalneav> Which is muey coolio
[02:27] <ogra> i didnt want to make south amreica look bad :) but i think asia has similar momentum ...
[02:27] <ogra> *america
[02:27] <SimonAnibal> FISL is going to be helping out the Ubuntu-VE FeistyCitas (Feisty Install Fests)
[02:28] <SimonAnibal> ogra: You may certainly be right, the only time I've been to Asia was Japan, and this was before my getting into Linux, about say 6 years ago, and all the computers were running XP
[02:28] <sbalneav> North America had better get with the program, and quick.  I predict that unless we wake up soon (and realistically, I don't think that's going to happen) every where else in the world is going to be kicking our *sses in IT.
[02:29] <SimonAnibal> ogra: However, I'm born and bred Venezuelan, and I go back as often as I can, so I definitely have bias here
[02:29] <sbalneav> Once you get all those OLPC boxes that kids can play with, and tinker with, and LEARN on, it's going to be a Tsunami.
[02:29] <sbalneav> An we all know how the US has been dealing with Tsunamis in the last couple of years.
[02:30] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Amen - I want to get some of those so bad, for all the kids in my life
[02:30] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: You mean, not?
[02:30] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: Hey Richard, you awake?
[02:31] <RichEd> SimonAnibal: yep ... both eyes open
[02:31] <sbalneav> The people in SA are SMART, they're MOTIVATED, they have the WILL to succeed, and the DRIVE to make it happen.  The only thing holding them back has been Infrastructure.  And Linux (specifically Ubuntu) is levelling the playing field FAST.
[02:31] <knix_> I dont mean to interupt you guys, but how do you upgrade 6.06 server to feisty server?
[02:31] <RichEd> sbalneav: SA = South Africa ? ;)
[02:31] <sbalneav> RichEd: Sorry, hi!, had a lot of thoughts to get down
[02:31] <sbalneav> South America.
[02:31] <RichEd> np
[02:31] <ogra> knix_, follow the upgrade instructions on the wiki
[02:31] <cliebow_> knix_:cant you go to /etc/apt
[02:32] <ogra> but note that you cant upgarde dapper->feisty
[02:32] <sbalneav> I'm sure it's exactly the same other places in the world, I'm reporting what I saw in Brazil, atm, tho'
[02:32] <ogra> you need to upgrade dapper->edgy->feisty
[02:32] <knix_> ogra, cliebow_ ty.   I m just making sure, I dont want to hose my server
[02:32] <cliebow_> and run sed -e 's/dapper/edgy/g' -i sources.list..wont that get you to edgy?
[02:32] <sbalneav> You should have seen when Jono asked "How many people run Ubuntu".
[02:32] <sbalneav> He had about 400 people in his talk
[02:33] <cliebow_> after sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:33] <sbalneav> 300 of them stuck their hand up.
[02:33] <ogra> hehe
[02:33] <ogra> cliebow_, please dont advise that, its not suggested ...
[02:33] <sbalneav> It was, quite frankly, incredible.
[02:33] <ogra> update-manager is the way to upgrade  ...
[02:33] <cliebow_> ogra:ok
[02:33] <sbalneav> Maddog basically spent his entire talk plugging thin clients/ltsp
[02:33] <knix_> ogra, not in server?
[02:33] <ogra> apt-get will leave you with a manual work
[02:34] <sbalneav> and HE was running Ubuntu on HIS laptop
[02:34] <ogra> s/a//
[02:34] <sbalneav> and the big message from both Jim and I?
[02:34] <ogra> sbalneav, cool !
[02:34] <sbalneav> Ubuntu == LTSP built in
[02:34] <sbalneav> HUGE win.
[02:34] <knix_> ogra, theres no gui in server, so how would you use update manager?
[02:34] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: Heh, you came in with that spelling correction and then disappeared, thought maybe we'd bored you to sleep ;-) Hey, would you happen to know if there's someone I might be able to talk to about getting some Edgy CDs now that Feisty's out? I'd love to get a set of them if they weren't all sent out to complete my collection :-)
[02:35] <ogra> sbalneav, i was just discussing a ubuntu-thin-client-server.iso in favor of the first edubuntu CD :)
[02:35] <sbalneav> That's a great idea.
[02:35] <ogra> knix_, i thought you talk about edubuntu (since thias here is #edubuntu) ;)
[02:35] <RichEd> SimonAnibal: how many would you want ? one of each flavour ?
[02:35] <SimonAnibal> ogra: And then have differen educational packages/artwork on the second CD?
[02:35] <ogra> sbalneav, moving *all* edubuntu parts to the addon CD
[02:35] <knix_> ogra, I understand
[02:35] <sbalneav> That makes a ton of sense
[02:36] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: Yeah, I'm looking to have a complete collection of them
[02:36] <sbalneav> Then, they get the Ubuntu/thin client main cd
[02:36] <ogra> knix_, for ubuntu server there should be a commandline tool afaik ...
[02:36] <ogra> look in the wiki
[02:36] <sbalneav> and for edu: all the edu addon bits.
[02:36] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: I have a feeling theirl aesthetic and historical value will only go up with time
[02:36] <ogra> right
[02:36] <ogra> or a ubuntu default CD and the edubuntu desktop
[02:36] <RichEd> SimonAnibal: just so you know ... collectors were seen as a major cost bleed :)
[02:36] <sbalneav> Hold on, lemme reposition myself in the lounge to a comfy chair.
[02:37] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: :-/ Ouch. Caught red-handed.
[02:37] <knix_> ogra, I hope there is, I cant find the docs for it anywhere, and the people on #ubuntu-server never answer me :(
[02:37] <RichEd> I'll try to arrange a few for you, and pass on to somone like sbalneav at UES/UDS for local posting when they get back.
[02:37] <ogra> knix_, ask mvo ... he does update.manager
[02:37] <ogra> *update-manager
[02:38] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: Neat! I'd really appreciate that! I started with Breezy I knew I wouldn't be able to get any of the earlier ones, but I figured now that Edgy is no longer current it might be possible to nab some of those
[02:38] <sbalneav> Ah
[02:38] <sbalneav> I have all things a hacker needs
[02:38] <sbalneav> Power, internet, coffee, and a comfy chair.
[02:38] <RichEd> sbalneav: hands, brain, burgers
[02:38] <sbalneav> hbb
[02:39] <SimonAnibal> I'd like a monitor at eye-level
[02:39] <SimonAnibal> I'm a tall guy, and my neck hurts after looking down all day
[02:39] <sbalneav> SimonAnibal: That's what phone books are for: under your monitor :)
[02:39] <SimonAnibal> It's a pneumatic swivel chair, you just got sprayed with hydraulic oil
[02:40] <knix_> ty
[02:40] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: eek, I'd need about 6 or 7, and that picture is not particularly stable in my mind
[02:40] <sbalneav> Glue the pages together.  Or, Cinderblocks :)
[02:40] <knix_> ogra, where is mvo?
[02:41] <SimonAnibal> heheh, we've got a bunch of old Windows XP Workstation Edition boxes
[02:41] <SimonAnibal> err
[02:41] <SimonAnibal> NT
[02:41] <SimonAnibal> Hmmm, I wonder how the coffee turned out, brb
[02:42] <jsgotangco> i actually have *sealed* windows NT 3.51 discs somewhere here
[02:43] <SimonAnibal> These are 4.0 SP4
[02:44] <SimonAnibal> What version was "Windows For Workgroups"?
[02:44] <jsgotangco> 3.1
[02:44] <SimonAnibal> It comes with an MS-DOS Concise User's Guide
[02:44] <ogra> no 3.11 ?
[02:44] <jsgotangco> ogra: right
[02:44] <ogra> *not
[02:44] <jsgotangco> my bad
[02:45] <SimonAnibal> neat, I wonder what other old proprietary software crap we have hiding around here
[02:45] <sbalneav> I'm kind of cheezed at Jono, BTW
[02:45] <jsgotangco> why?
[02:45] <RichEd> sbalneav: why 2 ?
[02:46] <sbalneav> His laptop didn't work, so, like a true ubuntuite, I rushed up and loaned him mine so he could do his presentation
[02:46] <sbalneav> And in all his blogging, I didn't get a mention :(
[02:46] <sbalneav> boo hoo
[02:46] <sbalneav> Jono doesn't love me :)
[02:47] <SimonAnibal> hahah, I get it, you only loaned him your laptop so you'd get a shoutout ;-)
[02:48] <sbalneav> Well, no.  Because his wasn't working, and I knew mine was.
[02:48] <sbalneav> Not even sure if he knew it was me.  I'm just joking, I'm not really mad.
[02:48] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: just messing with you
[02:49] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Someone's got to keep you canucks on your toes
[02:49] <sbalneav> I'm on my butt in a chair at the moment. :)
[02:49] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Yeah, but metaphorically, you're on your toes
[02:49] <sbalneav> heh
[02:50] <SimonAnibal> *sigh* I should probably get back to finishing up documentation here
[02:50] <sbalneav> Mentally, I'm flat on my back
[02:50] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: *yawn* I'm right there with you....errrr, I should probably phrase that "I'm mentally on my back as well". Coffee should help, though
[02:51] <sbalneav> Coffee helps most things
[02:51] <SimonAnibal> We didn't have enough so I only got half the amount of water and ground the beans as fine as possible
[02:52] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Amen, though, to be honest I wish I didn't rely on it so. Any substance that I rely on I start distrusting. I'm sort of addicto-phobic
[02:54] <sbalneav> If being addicted to Coffee, The Internet, and Ubuntu are the worst addictions you come up with in life, consider yourself fortunate.  In my line of work (Legal Aid sysadmin), I see the effects of worse addictions firsthand.
[02:54] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: I smoked up until a couple of years ago, convinced I wasn't addicted. Once I realized I was addicted, really accepted it, I just swore to never again smoke a cigarette. It's worked so far, but I've been really paranoid of getting addicted again, it's not a pleasant feeling to not be in control of yourself
[02:54] <sbalneav> agreed.
[02:55] <SimonAnibal> Yeah, I am addicted to the Internet, and Ubuntu; though the later doesn't bother me so much, I do feel a sort of resentment towards the former and all the time it seems to suck up. It seems unhealthy at times
[02:58] <SimonAnibal> ogra: FHAT?
[02:58] <sbalneav> That was a good talk
[02:58] <sbalneav> 1 hour advertisement for thin clients.
[02:59] <sbalneav> Basic message in one sentence:
[02:59] <ogra> sbalneav, thats for portland in july
[02:59] <sbalneav> Thin client computing == the future.
[02:59] <ogra> yeah
[02:59] <jsgotangco> who is going to portland?
[02:59] <sbalneav> He mentions LTSP all the way through the talk
[02:59] <sbalneav> mememememememe
[02:59] <SimonAnibal> I'll hopefully be as far from civilization as still humanly possible at that time
[03:00] <SimonAnibal> Camping out in the Great Savannah in the south of Venezuela
[03:00] <SimonAnibal> I hope to get some kick-ass long-exposure shots
[03:00] <SimonAnibal> with my Canon Digital Rebel XT
[03:00] <SimonAnibal> I've never been somewhere where it was dark enough to get the spinning stars effect
[03:00] <jsgotangco> going to portland seems nice
[03:02] <sbalneav> http://www.ubuntulive.com/cs/ubuntu/view/e_sess/13468
[03:03] <sbalneav> Guess who's doing that one.
[03:04] <ogra> cool !
[03:04] <sbalneav> Your favorite jet-setting public servant
[03:04] <ogra> heh
[03:04] <jsgotangco> govbuntu?
[03:04] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: You, I presume?
[03:05] <sbalneav> You presume correctly
[03:06] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav: Heheh, context man strikes again!
[03:07] <sbalneav> Do you have a Cape?
[03:07] <sbalneav> All superheroes should have capes.
[03:07] <SimonAnibal> *blinkblink* :-) I have a REALLY BIG towel
[03:07] <RichEd> sbalneav would need a REALLY BIG cape ;)
[03:08] <jsgotangco> ogra: would ARM9-based computers with the proper kernel images be possible as thin clients?
[03:11] <ogra> jsgotangco, well, you need a port of all the packages in the ltsp-client as well
[03:12] <jsgotangco> hmm right i forgot about that
[03:13] <ogra> but an arm port would be a great thing
[03:13] <ogra> especially for embedded stuff
[03:13] <jsgotangco> yeah that's what i have in mind
[03:13] <SimonAnibal> Hmmm, have you heard of Ndiyo?
[03:14] <jsgotangco> yeah some network computing project
[03:14] <jsgotangco> right
[03:14] <SimonAnibal> They're basically ultra-thin-clients
[03:15] <SimonAnibal> They're using Ubuntu in their example photos
[03:15] <jsgotangco> ultra-thin meaning it just provides network and video?
[03:15] <SimonAnibal> "Early versions of the Nivo took the form of a small box (roughly 12x8x2cm) which simply has an ethernet (network) socket, a low voltage power socket, sockets for keyboard and mouse, and a VGA (monitor) socket. This little box replaces the entire PC in a conventional computer workstation."
[03:16] <SimonAnibal> "Ethernet is not the only way to connect Nivo terminals to the server. Another option is to use USB, and this has some interesting implications which we discuss elsewhere in the Hubster document."
[03:16] <jsgotangco> pretty pocketable architecture
[03:17] <jsgotangco> too bad we can't pocket monitors and keyboards
[03:17] <SimonAnibal> heheh, all we need is rollable, touch-sensitive, e-ink display
[03:17] <cliebow_> if only wireless...
[03:18] <jsgotangco> wireless ltsp hmmm we can dream, but who knows what sinister plans already in place by upstream
[03:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, thats only possible with a local kernel ...
[03:18] <sbalneav> We were actually talking about that over breakfast this morning
[03:18] <ogra> unless someone implements WPXE :)
[03:19] <SimonAnibal> so they'd have to boot from, say, a USB flash drive?
[03:19] <ogra> or CD or something, yes
[03:19] <sbalneav> what you need is a mini kernel with wireless drivers, and enough of a chroot to do a download of a FULL ubuntu kernel, which you'll execute via two-kernel-monty/kexec
[03:19] <SimonAnibal> I'd think even a 64 MB flash drive would do the trick, ne?
[03:20] <sbalneav> stick it on a usb stick, and (as they say in Paris) Voila!
[03:20] <ogra> and a setup of essid's and keys that works
[03:20] <sbalneav> right
[03:20] <ogra> you cant make it fully automatic ...
[03:20] <SimonAnibal> nodnod
[03:20] <sbalneav> tricky, but not impossible.
[03:20] <ogra> since there is always hardware (wlan routers) involved wee cant control
[03:20] <jsgotangco> extreme ltsp
[03:21] <sbalneav> what we need is a build-ltsp-wireless-boot-thingy-on-a-usb-stick-oh-and-add-your-essid command.
[03:21] <sbalneav> It has to be that command
[03:21] <SimonAnibal> you could likely have it set up to plug into the USB socket of the motherboard, so there isn't a part sticking out that could be broken/stolen
[03:21] <sbalneav> exactly
[03:21] <sbalneav> I'm speccing it out now. :)
[03:21] <SimonAnibal> Thank god for command-line comnpletion
[03:22] <cliebow_> reslts from the old wireless ltsp floppy were somewhat challenged..but perhap with g..
[03:22] <jsgotangco> pre-n even
[03:23] <SimonAnibal> maybe a combination USB flash drive/USB wireless-G dongle
[03:24] <knix_> is there a program out there to take attendance, and record grades, tasks, and all?
[03:25] <SimonAnibal> http://www.ndiyo.org/systems/hubster/basics
[03:25] <SimonAnibal> knix_: How you looked at schooltool?
[03:25] <knix_> ack, yes i have like a year ago.  That slipped my mind.   Sorry bout that
[03:26] <SimonAnibal> knix_: np :-)
[03:26] <SimonAnibal> knix_: I don't know how relevent this is, but Tom Hoffman, the maintainer, is a really cool guy
[03:27] <knix_> SimonAnibal, thats always good to know
[03:27] <knix_> I tried installing it on feisty and no go
[03:27] <knix_> unmet depend
[03:28] <SimonAnibal> errr, I'd file a bug on that if I were you
[03:28] <knix_> also do you guys have a powerpoint for edubuntu?   I know they have pp for other stuff
[03:28] <knix_> roger
[03:28] <SimonAnibal> There may still be time to get that fixed by release in two day :-)
[03:28] <knix_> lol
[03:29] <SimonAnibal> Ummm, well, OpenOffice Impress opens PP docs
[03:29] <SimonAnibal> the newer the PP docs, though, the flakier it might be
[03:29] <SimonAnibal> I don't think there's any support for PP 2007, for example
[03:30] <knix_> i mean, is there a pp that shows the benefits of edubuntu?  I want to show my bosses
[03:34] <SimonAnibal> Heheh, ummm, ogra?
[03:35] <sbalneav> knix_: Sure, edubuntu.org has lots of points
[03:35] <knix_> ha
[03:35] <knix_> no pp?
[03:36] <sbalneav> pp?
[03:36] <sbalneav> What's a pp?
[03:36] <SimonAnibal> it's not what it sounds like ;-)
[03:37] <cliebow_> heh
[03:37] <SimonAnibal> Powerpoint
[03:37] <sbalneav> Ugh
[03:37] <sbalneav> I hope not.
[03:37] <SimonAnibal> Well, if there are Impress presentations, he could open them in Impress and save them as Powerpoint
[03:37] <knix_> i know they had a pp for ubuntu
[03:39] <knix_> ill see if I can find it
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[03:49] <SimonAnibal> Howdy
[03:50] <bddebian> Hi SimonAnibal
[04:28] <RichEd> knix_: give me your email address, and i can mail you a presentation
[04:32] <juliux> hey RichEd
[04:32] <RichEd> hey juliux
[04:33] <juliux> RichEd, did you have any connections to hp left?
[04:33] <juliux> RichEd, my display is a little bit broken but i don't get a new display for free, hp want 260
[04:33] <RichEd> juliux: a few ... but they are all quite profit focused
[04:34] <RichEd> freebies are impossible ! they cannot even get for staff
[04:34] <juliux> RichEd, damn
[04:34] <RichEd> As I explained a while ago, when I needed demo equipment here in SA when I worked for them, I had to go to a dealer and sign it out.
[04:34] <juliux> RichEd, if i know that this failure comes with more nx6110 i get a free display from my local reseller because i have some garanty left
[04:36] <RichEd> Is it still under guarantee ? not sure from your comment above.
[04:37] <juliux> hey pirast
[04:38] <knix_> RichEd, stormchas3r at gmail dot com
[04:38] <pirast> hey juliux
[04:38] <knix_> RichEd, ty
[04:38] <RichEd> knix_: okay ... sending in a few mins
[04:38] <pirast> didn't hear anything from your side for a long time now
[04:38] <pirast> how are things going?
[04:39] <knix_> RichEd, it is greatly appreciated
[04:49] <knix_> RichEd, Please let me know when you send it.
[04:49] <RichEd> 5 mins .... just adding some general open source benifits
[04:50] <knix_> no prob, i just want to make sure it goes thru, please.. take your time
[04:52] <RichEd> .odp fine or would you like a .pps
[04:53] <knix_> either or
[04:53] <knix_> prefer odp
[04:57] <knix_> RichEd, send it?
[04:58] <RichEd> leaving my outbox now ...
[04:59] <knix_> kk
[05:01] <knix_> RichEd, got it, ty again and again
[05:02] <RichEd> :)
[05:04] <knix_> RichEd, looks very good.   Do you mind if I edit the names and all?
[05:05] <RichEd> not at all ... i just cludged in the open source software benefits ... so you are welcome to edit, and present as yourself
[05:05] <knix_> I owe you big time
[05:05] <knix_> TY :)
[05:09] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: When I finish up this documentation, I'm going to advertise it on the Ubuntu-Education list. It's written to fit our particular needs here, but I'm guessing it could easily be adapted by others to help
[05:09] <RichEd> SimonAnibal: will be useful ... thanks
[05:09] <SimonAnibal> It's a comprehensive list of everything that needs to be done from a basic Edgy install to get our school's Ubuntu labs up and running
[05:10] <RichEd> hundreds :)
[05:10] <SimonAnibal> 289, I think
[05:10] <SimonAnibal> So the SystemImager setup, scripts, and autoconfiguration stuff is pure gold for anyone in a similar situation
[05:11] <SimonAnibal> it took me a long time to get it all figured out, I hope that by publishing it all I can save other people that time and frustration
[05:12] <SimonAnibal> Some of it is links to my blog; I've been publishing a good bit of it already on there
[05:15] <knix_> ogra, i know you are a busy bee, but before I give this presentation with the odp, and hands on with edubunt thin clients,  will that HOW-TO be available soon for configuring x11vnc?
[05:33] <willvdl> SimonAnibal, woot++
[05:33] <aze> hi all
[05:34] <SimonAnibal> willvdl: Four light-up USB cables, today
[05:34] <willvdl> riiiight
[05:36] <ogra> knix_, i cant guarantee that, whats wrong with the 100s that already exists ?
[05:37] <knix_> ogra, 100's?
[05:38] <ogra> "Personalized Results 1 - 10 of about 19,900 for setup x11vnc."
[05:38] <ogra> is what google gives me
[05:38] <knix_> ive had one hell of a time trying to get it working correctly
[05:39] <ogra> the thing i'll write will only be the 19901st
[05:40] <willvdl> ogra, but think of all the reference you can use :)
[05:40] <ogra> i''m planning to do it if nobody is faster but its very low on my todo list
[05:40] <knix_> well thanks anyway
[05:41] <SimonAnibal> willvdl: www.woot.com
[05:42] <willvdl> darn they took www.w00t.com too
[05:43] <willvdl> but www.woot++.com is free...
[05:47] <cbx33> ogra, did you manage to get me that screenshot
[05:47] <cbx33> I'm about to try downloading and installing again
[05:47] <cbx33> I'll bug report anything I find
[05:48] <ogra> knix_, i have no problem with it if i just run x11vnc -display :6 on the client console ...
[05:48] <ogra> cbx33, no, sorry, not yet ...
[05:49] <cbx33> ok
[05:49] <cbx33> I'll try to do it myself
[05:49] <ogra> cant you just use the qemu mode ? (i wouldnt do it diffrerently)
[05:49] <cbx33> to get the ldm login screen?
[05:50] <ogra> inded
[05:50] <ogra> *indeed
[05:50] <cbx33> well
[05:50] <cbx33> I'm gonna give it one more go this way
[05:50] <ogra> thats why we have added that mode
[06:13] <knix_> ogra, i will see if that works
[06:16] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
[06:16] <ogra> knix_, ^^^
[06:17] <knix_> ogra, ty
[06:22] <juliux> ogra, did we have fat client support allready with feisty?
[06:23] <ogra> no
[06:23] <knix_> ogra, wow, that did work.  Is there a way to get the picture bigger?  Its really tiny
[06:23] <ogra> no network auth, no fat clients
[06:23] <ogra> knix_, i think x11vnc has options
[06:23] <knix_> kk, ty again
[06:24] <ogra> just add the right pieces to the stanza
[06:27] <ogra> knix_, it took me 2 mins to look that stuff up in google btw and 8 mins to write it down ...
[06:29] <jsgotangco> good night ciao
[06:30] <jsgotangco> ogra: i dunno if its worth mentioning, but i did manage to try out the dvd just this morning, its alright (amd64)
[06:30] <ogra> yay, thanks
[06:30] <jsgotangco> (unless there is another kernel out there)
[06:30] <ogra> doko had a lot of probs with it
[06:30] <knix_> ogra, well your obviously experienced with linux, i obviously am not
[06:30] <jsgotangco> perhaps its a langpack issue?
[06:31] <ogra> jsgotangco, a langpack issue ?
[06:31] <ogra> you mean that dokos kernel panics on boot with certain video modes ... ?
[06:31] <ogra> i'll suggest that :P
[06:32] <jsgotangco> does it work fine with you?
[06:35] <ogra> yup
[06:36] <ogra> no probs here (at least with the CD, DVD is stil syncing (takes ages))
[06:38] <jsgotangco> i knoww...
[06:38] <jsgotangco> combining all 3 CDs comprise the DVD right?
[06:39] <ogra> plus the stuff from supported i think
[06:39] <ogra> not sure
[06:39] <jsgotangco> hmm
[06:39] <jsgotangco> its pretty big image file for sure
[06:40] <ogra> 4.4G
[06:40] <ogra> or 4.3 i didnt look today
[06:41] <jsgotangco> thats like all the CDs of fedora combined
[06:42] <jsgotangco> anyway ciao
[07:18] <LaserJock> ogra: when does the .iso testing stop?
[07:18] <LaserJock> when everything is done?
[07:18] <ogra> yep
[07:18] <ogra> if you see the release announcement :)
[07:20] <LaserJock> well, I'm rsync'ing as fast as I can
[07:20] <LaserJock> not sure if I'll make it in time
[08:32] <cbx33> ok ogra
[08:32] <cbx33> I'm trying again
[08:32] <cbx33> but I'm not going to log in
[08:33] <cbx33> theoretically it should all work
[08:34] <cbx33> client booting up................lets see
[08:35] <cbx33> nope clients still won't boot
[08:35] <cbx33> gonna try soething else
[08:35] <cbx33> hold only your hats
[08:36] <ogra> sorry, you are totally out of context, what are you trying ?
[08:36] <cbx33> to get a thin client to boot
[08:37] <cbx33> It's insane
[08:37] <cbx33> yeh ok poke fun
[08:37] <cbx33> It gets the kernel it boots that fine
[08:37] <cbx33> it just won't load the nfs
[08:37] <cbx33> by the loks of things
[08:38] <ogra> works fine here and on all test installs i made
[08:38] <cbx33> well.....it doesn't work here
[08:38] <cbx33> I can't see why vmware would be causing a problem
[08:38] <ogra> make sure your hfs server is running ... you dont have a second dhcpd iun the net your dhcpd.config is right etc ... you know the drill
[08:38] <ogra> *nfs
[08:38] <cbx33> this is a fresh install of the server
[08:38] <cbx33> straight after reboot
[08:39] <cbx33> i re installed just this minute
[08:39] <cbx33> to make sure I hadn't screwed it up
[08:39] <ogra> the i guess something with your net devices is wrong ...
[08:39] <cbx33> well what would make tftp work
[08:40] <cbx33> but nfs mounting not?
[08:40] <cbx33> heh
[08:40] <ogra> no idea
[08:40] <ogra> i never used vmware in my life ...
[08:40] <ogra> no i'm lying, i used the playwer once to have a look
[08:44] <cliebow_> cbx33: what does root-psth look like?
[08:45] <ogra> cliebow_, if its a default install that should be fine
[08:45] <cbx33> cliebow_, whatever it is after a fresh install
[08:45] <cliebow_> ok ok i am so used to doing the drill 8~)
[08:46] <cbx33> ;)
[08:46] <cbx33> i can't undersztand it
[08:46] <ogra> i know there are people testing with vmware ... so it must work somehow ...
[08:46] <cbx33> hmm
[08:46] <cbx33> well....can someone get me a feisty ldm login screenshot
[08:47] <cbx33> pretty pelase?
[08:50] <cbx33> i am desperate
[08:51] <cbx33> I have to go out shortly
[08:51] <cbx33> and I just can't get it working
[08:51] <cbx33> I'm flat out of time
[08:51] <cbx33> else the official ubuntu book will have an old ldm splashscreen
[08:53] <ogra> i dont ahve any feisty ldm gui here ... onyl feisty+1 :/
[08:53] <ogra> else i'D quickly take one ...
[08:55] <cbx33> but....
[08:55] <cbx33> i thought you said you could get me one the other day
[08:55] <cbx33> :(
[08:56] <ogra> some hours ago i wasnear my server ... now i only have my laptop with me ...
[08:56] <ogra> sorry, but i was busy with release stuff ...
[08:57] <cbx33> ok
[08:57] <ogra> cbx33, you have an ltsp chroot ?
[08:57] <cbx33> well
[08:57] <cbx33> yes
[08:57] <ogra> you should be able to just run the greeter from there
[08:57] <cbx33> really?
[08:57] <cbx33> ok I'll try that when i return
[09:27] <mattva01> quick question, if i want to build the thin client environment  with ltsp-build client from CD , do I need a Ubuntu CD in the drive or an Edubuntu one?
[09:27] <ogra> edubuntu would be better ...
[09:28] <ogra> ubuntu doesnt have the i386  kernel on the CD ...
[09:28] <ogra> (at least in feisty)
[09:31] <mattva01> thanks
[09:36] <juliux> wb pirast
[09:46] <LaserJock> ogra: if I want to reconfigure the LTSP server will ltsp-build-client work?
[09:47] <LaserJock> I messed up in the install and didn't have a second nic
[09:53] <pips1> good evening
[09:54] <juliux> hi pips1
[09:57] <pips1> hi
[09:57] <pips1> that isotesting site from stgraber is very cool
[10:00] <pips1> really helpful
[11:10] <pips1> back
[11:10] <pips1> highvoltage: you here?
[11:11] <highvoltage> yeo, and in -meeting
[11:11] <highvoltage> *yep
[11:11] <pips1> ah
[11:21] <ajmitch> hey highvoltage :)
[11:22] <pips1> highvoltage: did you get around to move the file from newz2000 on the web server?
[11:22] <highvoltage> hey ajmitch!
[11:22] <highvoltage> pips1: he hasn't sent it yet
[11:25] <highvoltage> sacater: would've liked to talk to you right now, I'm at the point of falling asleep, so I'll catch you on IRC again some other time!
[11:26] <sacater> ok
[11:26] <sacater> ive got bed now too
[11:26] <sacater> cya soonish
[11:27] <pygi> laters sacater
[11:33] <ajmitch> highvoltage: but it's early there! :)
[11:44] <pips1> ogra: you here?
[11:49] <pips1> ogra: I'm testing the amd64 server install. at my last test, you advised me not to login as sys admin in order not to activate network-manager, which will mess up the network config... what's the status of that?
[12:07] <pips1> ogra: never mind about what I just asked above ^^^ I'll just build the i386 client from the console f2 and continue my test in that way