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ryanakcahmm... will we have a spec to have GPG + Kontact working ootb in gutsy gibbon?01:56
=== nixternal notes that gpg+kontact works great here :)
ryanakcayeah01:57
=== nixternal goes and watches the country music awards :)
ryanakcaworks for me about 70% of the time, ootb01:57
ryanakcalol01:57
nixternalhaha01:57
ryanakcacountry... ick01:57
ryanakcathe other 30%, it takes a day to setup01:57
ryanakcawell, s/70/5001:58
Hobbseeryanakca: ScottK was going to look into it01:58
ryanakcakk01:58
=== ryanakca set it as one of his goals when he became a member... haven't gotten around to it :)
=== ScottK was going to look into S/MIME. GPG works fine now AFAICT.
ryanakcahmm...01:58
ryanakcais pinentry-qt installed on a fresh install?01:59
Hobbseeno01:59
ryanakcaaka, automatically...01:59
Hobbseeit's not even in main01:59
ScottKHobbsee: I'm going for member tomorrow at 2000UTC (Tues).  If you would show up to cheer that would be really great (I know it's early there, so I'd understand).01:59
HobbseeScottK: woo.  it's 6am though, and i dont think i'm even at home, sorry...01:59
ryanakcaHobbsee: hmm... for the people who have chars like  or  or  or ... (aka, francophones, and other non-english people) in their passphrase, they need to have it installed02:00
ryanakcathe default prompt doesn't take them02:00
ryanakcaand, gpg-agent is installed by default too, I presume02:00
ryanakcas//?02:00
=== ryanakca should be more specific. GPG works with KMail ootb, but not with GPG-agent
Hobbseeryanakca: right.  i never really found out what the deps were that were needed for GPG to work OOTB02:01
ScottKHobbsee: Is no problem.  I think I'll be fine with a MOTU or two there.02:02
ryanakcapinentry-qt, gpg-agent, gpgwatcher (forget the exact name)...02:02
=== Hobbsee notes that we can probabaly email stuff in, too
ScottKOr leave a comment on my wiki page02:05
ScottKmaybe?02:05
Hobbseeoh yes, CC does have a list, as i've emailed it before for opstuff02:06
ScottKOK.  Cool02:06
=== Hobbsee O.O
Hobbseehttp://www.smh.com.au/02:07
=== Hobbsee hopes sydney isnt turning into the next america or something...
Hobbseewait, i cant read, dont mind me02:08
ryanakcaHobbsee: I've used a mixture of these two howto's http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/kmail-pgpmime-howto.php http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KMail_gpg-agent_kde02:09
=== Hobbsee remembers the first one
Hobbseeryanakca: i looked into it a bit, but kmail's unusable for me (certainly was, think it still is), and i couldnt really get an indication if what all of taht was saying was actually working under kubuntu02:11
ryanakcaunusable?02:11
gnomefreakcant be used? not enough options to use like you want!!102:12
gnomefreak;)02:12
ryanakcalol02:12
gnomefreakatleast in USA that is pretty much the definition02:12
Hobbseeryanakca: crashes with imap mail.  had it crashing every 2 min02:12
ryanakcaodd02:12
=== gnomefreak has seen that before from one of the kubuntu devels
=== gnomefreak cant remeber who though
Hobbseekmail devs have comitted a patch now, but they've comiitted a whole lot of other things, so the patch hasnt been taken02:13
Hobbseeimbrandon: nixternal or me, probably02:13
gnomefreakno02:13
gnomefreakhe wrote an imap client for personal use02:14
Hobbseeoh, toma02:14
gnomefreakyeah that sounds right02:14
ryanakcawow... I'm too lazy... I'd just switch to mutt or some other mail client02:14
gnomefreakit was edgy devel or early feisty devel that im remembering it from02:14
jjessegood evening02:17
Hobbseehi jjesse02:17
jjessequick question: can someone look at bug #105376?02:17
ubotuMalone bug 105376 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu 7.04beta Alt. CD install not create a new user." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10537602:17
jjesseit is against the beta release02:17
jjessehello Hobbsee02:18
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gbeshersHello --- downloaded the 7.04 beta ISO, installed, did a dist-upgrade to get the latest bits.02:37
gbeshersNow I tried getting my nvidia (5950) and large screen (2560x1600) going.02:38
gbeshersI can't get the nvidia driver to load.02:38
Tm_THelp in #ubuntu+102:38
gbeshersAh, OFTC?02:39
Tm_Tpardon?02:39
gbeshers#ubuntu+1 in OFTC or FreeNode?02:39
Tm_TFreenode, just like this one02:39
gbeshersThx. Tm_T02:39
Tm_Tno prob02:40
jjesseare there multiple ubuntu servers?02:49
nixternaljjesse: multiple how?05:10
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_marseillaishi09:32
_marseillaisHobbsee, are you there ?09:33
Hobbseehi _marseillais09:33
_marseillaisHobbsee, i've just receive a report for a bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/10370609:33
ubotuMalone bug 103706 in kdenetwork "krfb crashes after connecting with realvnc viewer (dup-of: 39046)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 09:33
ubotuMalone bug 39046 in kdenetwork "krfb crashes when a connected client move mouse" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 09:33
_marseillaisdo you know if it's avalaible for feisty ?09:33
Hobbsee_marseillais: the bug, or the fix?09:34
_marseillaisthe fix09:34
_marseillaisthe bug is "avalaible" since dapper! :D09:34
Hobbseebug 3904609:35
ubotuMalone bug 39046 in kdenetwork "krfb crashes when a connected client move mouse" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3904609:35
_marseillaislol Hobbsee look at reporter .....09:35
_marseillaisit's mine! :D09:35
Hobbsee_marseillais: :D09:37
Hobbsee_marseillais: that's nto a fix - that's syaing "it's fixed in kde4"09:37
Hobbseewell, it's nto a fix we can backport, anyway09:37
_marseillaisoki09:37
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_marseillaisHobbsee, i'll try to see if there is a patch on kde upstream if there is i'll try to apply it to feisty09:39
Hobbsee_marseillais: there wasnt on that bug report09:42
_marseillaisyes09:43
_marseillaisi've ask09:43
_marseillaisif there is a patch09:43
_marseillaisHobbsee, if i make a debdiff inculding a patch do you think it can be include in feisty or it's too late? because it's a big bug no ?09:45
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Hobbsee_marseillais: too late.  but a candidate for a SRU, if you're wanting to put that through09:46
_marseillaisSRU ?09:46
Hobbsee!sru09:47
ubotuStable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.09:47
_marseillaisthanks09:49
_marseillaisHobbsee, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124529 so no patch09:58
ubotuKDE bug 124529 in general "krfb crashes as soon as the connected client moves the mouse" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] 09:58
Hobbsee_marseillais: yeah, thought so.  seeing as09:58
Hobbsee------- Additional Comment #13 From Alessandro Praduroux 2007-04-16 19:28 -------09:58
Hobbseenot using threads anymore in KDE 4.009:58
Hobbseeseemed to be the only fix09:58
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_marseillaisHobbsee, it's sad that we can't backport but it's a good news for kde4, after several years of abandon krfb is not maintain10:04
_marseillais:)10:04
Hobbseeindeed10:07
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Riddellmhb: able to poke testers into cd testing?12:38
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Tm_T16:13 < dholbach> New bug: #123456 in evolution (main) "After subscribing to desktop-bugs and receiving lots of bugmail from a Mr. Bacher, evolution spins with 100% CPU " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345603:21
Tm_Thow about Kmail equiv03:21
Tm_T16:19 < Tm_T> that would be something like "After Feisty release Kubuntu-Users mailing list causes Kmail to hang"03:21
Riddellnixternal: how's your release notes page coming?03:35
nixternalyou should have a bz2 file this evening :)03:35
kwwiiRiddell: I assume you'll want a pic for the release?03:43
nixternalkwwii: of course, hell I can answer that one ;p03:43
kwwii:p03:43
nixternalhah03:43
nixternala03:43
nixternaldamn enter key03:43
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bddebianheya03:48
nixternalboo03:51
jsgotangcoboo yaa03:51
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Tm_Tbah04:10
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Riddellkwwii: if you have something with a suitably kubuntu theme that would be great04:45
Tm_Thmh, I'm gonna do something I will regert but, I'm gonna register myself to aKademy anyway04:46
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Riddellnixternal: ping ping, what's the state of the release announcement?05:30
_marseillais_Riddell, hi!05:32
_marseillais_Riddell, are you interest by someone that just report me something like this bug 89885 ?05:32
ubotuMalone bug 89885 in knetworkmanager "[feisty]  konqueror fails to connect to web when knetworkmager is running (in offline mode)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8988505:32
ScottK_marseillais_: There are other bugs on that.  I think we have enough information.05:34
_marseillais_oki05:34
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_marseillais_ScottK, not mine ... :) just i saw this one looking for a solution05:35
Riddellthat should have gone away, at least when you're using /etc/networks/interfaces it should still work05:35
_marseillais_Riddell, not if you use wlassistant05:35
Riddellmm, no05:35
glatzorRiddell: Hi, will Simon Edwards be at Sevilla too?05:35
Riddellglatzor: nope05:36
glatzorRiddell: that is a pity. would have been nice to talk about guidance/displayconfig.05:37
glatzorRiddell: but seb128 will join us there?05:38
Riddellseb will if you want to talk about gnome packaging05:38
Riddellsebas is also a guidance developer, he'll be there05:39
Riddellthey are different people of course05:39
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ScottKRiddell: The bug in question about knetwork manager is still marked in progress...  Bug #8668005:47
ubotuMalone bug 86680 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager stops kde applications from accessing the network" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8668005:47
glatzorRiddell: I mixed up the aliases. I asked for sebas of course :)05:56
=== Tm_T keeps spamming: anyone with extra time, please do http://test.openusability.org/UCCASS/survey.php?sid=43
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instructor!flash06:21
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:21
ubotuFlash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash06:21
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mhbevening06:39
mhbRiddell: I'll poke them, sorry to respond so late, I was at a conference spreading Kubuntu CDs06:39
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marseillaifdoving: i'm starting to package smplayer http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=54487 and i would like to learn CDBS (i've already make a package with debhelper) and i would like to know if you have time to help me ?06:45
marseillaior someone else06:45
marseillai?06:45
ScottKmarseillai: Try in #ubuntu-motu06:45
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sebasglatzor: I'll be there07:01
glatzorsebas: fine. I am looking forward to Sevilla07:02
glatzorand to meeting you again :)07:02
glatzor(we saw us in UDS Paris)07:02
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glatzorsebas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisplayConfigGTK07:06
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wonderingWhen is this bug going to be fixed? I *still* see it in Feisty! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/6469507:06
ubotuMalone bug 64695 in meta-kde "KDE logout dialog is missing shutdown and restart options" [Undecided,Confirmed] 07:06
wonderingAnd even though it was reported when Edgy came out. I have this working on Edgy already. It's been "fixed" but not according to Launchpad for Edgy. It's definitely broken on Feisty. Why was this functionality taken out?07:07
glatzorsebas: if you are interested in the state of the gtk port of displayconfig: the basic features seem to work, but it still needs more logic and love :)07:07
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jbruckmanis anyone who is working on feisty working on fixing problems with the nvidia proprietary drivers?07:09
ScottKwondering: I think the problem is that no one knows how to reproduce it.07:09
sebasglatzor: Cool to see it coming along well07:09
wonderingScottK: No one knows how to reproduce it? I installed a stock Feisty ubuntu-desktop and a stock Feisty kubuntu-desktop. Voila, you have your error reproduced.07:09
ScottKMany people (myself included) have those options and the bug doesn't really tell anything about what might be different.07:09
wonderingScottK: Select gdm when apt asks you to.07:09
sebasLet's make the backend shared in Sevilla07:09
sebasNow that Feisty is somewhat out, we can go wild and break everything :-)07:10
glatzorsebas: :)07:10
jbruckmansebas lol07:10
ScottKwondering: Ah.  OK.  I expect fixing GDM interoperability isssues probably isn't a high priority for KDE devs.07:10
=== ScottK should've read the bug more closely before commenting.
wonderingScottK: Well, I asked on #ubuntu-motu and they told me to come here.07:12
ScottKSure.  I saw.07:12
ScottKYou asked why and I'm giving you a guess as to why.07:13
crimsunto be fair, it looks more like a gdm issue than a kdm one.07:13
ScottKShould we re-assign the bug then?07:13
crimsunI'll reread when I get off the phone07:13
ScottKOK07:14
wonderingcrimsun: If I'm not mistaken, the KDE devel team has already implemented the interoptibility with GDM.07:14
ScottKwondering: If he says its probaby GDM, I'd go with it.  He usually knows what he's talking about.07:14
crimsunyes, please reassign it to gdm. If sebastian feels otherwise, he'll punt it.07:15
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wonderingThe thing I don't understand is that it works in Edgy, but not in Feisty.07:16
ScottKDone - Bug #6469507:17
ubotuMalone bug 64695 in gdm "KDE logout dialog is missing shutdown and restart options" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6469507:17
ScottKwondering: So I think the true answer to your question about why is a GDM problem was listed as a KDE problem, so the right devs weren't looking at the bug.07:18
ScottKwondering: Thanks for bringing it up so we could get it properly assigned.07:18
wonderingMm, makes sense. But that still doesn't answer why the existing solution was _broken_.07:19
ScottKYes, but that's a GDM question now.07:19
wonderingWhat doesn't really make sense to me is that it _works_ in Edgy, but no one ever updated the status on the site. But come Feisty, the same mistakes were made, or worse, working stuff was pulled.07:19
wonderingOkay, so #ubuntu-motu then?07:19
wonderingEr, #ubuntu-devel ?07:19
wonderingAlso, who did you reassign it to?07:20
wonderingThe status doesn't seem changed.07:20
ScottKYes, but probably not right now.  Wait until after Feisty gets released.  Give them a chance to recover.07:20
wonderingScottK: Okay, how long do you think it would take?07:20
ScottKI didn't assign it to anyone, I just changed the package.07:20
ScottKwondering: No idea.  Might be a short amount of time, might be forever.07:21
ScottKThe smart move at this point would be to look in the Gnome bug tracker and see if anyone has reported the issue there.07:21
wonderingOkey-doke.07:21
wonderingcrimsun, ScottK: All right, well thanks for everything. I'll be back to report on whatever I find in the next couple of days. Take care.07:27
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nixternalRiddell: the state of it is about 75% complete, it will be finished tonight. I have a couple of screenshots to do and a couple of quick notes08:09
nixternalCovered in this set is => Desktop, System Management, Print Management, Photo Management, Multimedia, Topic Based Help, Wireless Networking, and OEM Installation08:10
nixternalanything else you want in there?08:10
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_StefanS_kwwii: hey you there ? :)08:59
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ash211I'm interested in becoming Ubuntu's bug contact for Amarok11:35
ash211https://launchpad.net/amarok/11:35
ash211how should I got about trying to become that?11:35
ScottKSubscribe yourself to the bugmail for the package.11:35
ash211I've done so11:36
ash211I'd like to be able to change severity for upstream bug reports that don't have URLs associated with them11:36
ash211ex: bug 10728911:36
ubotuMalone bug 107289 in amarok "wrong transfer sizes with transkode" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10728911:36
ScottKYou need to be in ubuntu-qa for that.11:36
ScottKLook in LP for the ubuntu-qa team.11:37
ash211I'm in ubuntu-qa, but that only allows me to change importance for amarok in ubuntu, which is different than amarok upstream11:37
ScottKAh.11:37
ScottKUpstream you have to change it in the upstream tracker.11:37
ash211take a look at bug 107289 for a sec11:37
ubotuMalone bug 107289 in amarok "wrong transfer sizes with transkode" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10728911:37
ash211it doesn't have a URL for the upstream bug task, so I can't change its importance that way11:38
=== ScottK looking
ash211hovering over importance in the upstream task tells me "editable only by the maintainer or bug contact of the project"11:39
ScottKYeah.  The only way to change that I know of is file a bug with upstream, link it, and change it there.11:39
ash211if you look at https://launchpad.net/amarok/ ,11:39
ash211there's a line for bug contact, which says not yet assigned11:39
ash211unless there's any objections or anything like that, I'd like to become that person11:40
ScottKOK.  I"m not sure the process for htat.11:42
ScottKThat'11:42
ScottKI think the upstream would have to agree to that.11:42
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ash211I think I'll ask in #ubuntu-devel11:43
ash211thanks ScottK11:43
gnomefreakimbrandon: is amarok your baby?11:49
imbrandonmosty i guess :) why?11:50
gnomefreakash211: is wanting to be bug contact11:50
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gnomefreaki wasnt sure how that was dealt with, i thought you were uploader/maintainer/anything else to do with it11:51
=== gnomefreak never seen bug contact on LP
imbrandongnomefreak, pretty much , the bug contact is the gourp and any core dev /can/ work on it, i just work on it moreso than most11:51
ash211it's at launchpad.net/amarok11:51
imbrandongroup*11:51
gnomefreakah11:52
ash211this is bug contact for upstream amarok, not amarok in ubuntu11:52
ash211the way launchpad works products, they're worked on differently11:52
imbrandonash211, ahh that would be me11:52
ash211it says nobody now11:52
gnomefreak:)11:52
ash211at least not officially, at launchpad.net/amarok11:52
imbrandonahh yea, looks like something is screwy there, i'll get that fixed11:53
gnomefreakall i know is for the next 6 months my hands are full11:53
ash211imbrandon: thanks11:54
imbrandonbut it should be set to kubuntu-devel@ and your more than welcome to be a bug contact though11:54
ash211I can't find out how to subscribe to amarok upstream11:54
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ash211I'm subscribed to amarok in ubuntu, but I think they're worked differently11:54
imbrandonthere is no subscribe11:55
imbrandon"upstream11:55
imbrandon"11:55
ash211this all came about because I wanted to change the importance on bug 10728911:56
ubotuMalone bug 107289 in amarok "wrong transfer sizes with transkode" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10728911:56
imbrandonand even if you are the bug contact ( it will be set to the team not one person anyhow ) only motu core-dev and ubuntuqa can set what you are asking anyhow11:56
gnomefreakash211: are you logged into LP?11:56
imbrandonright that has nothing to do with the bug contact11:56
ash211yes.  thanks for helping me with the idiot check :)11:56
=== gnomefreak checking to see if i can change it
gnomefreakash211: i did it the other day11:57
gnomefreak;)11:57
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ash211this one is telling me I need to be maintainer / bug contact for the project11:57
ash211it's the task marked upstream, not the amarok (Ubuntu)11:58
gnomefreakit did for me because Lp changed and it didnt auto log me in11:58
gnomefreakoh that11:58
imbrandonash211, yes that should be read from their bug tracker not ours11:58
=== gnomefreak thinks you have to be upstream devel to change that
ash211but this one has no URL, so it won't do that11:58
imbrandonthen it wont ever be set11:58
imbrandonthat should NOT be set by us11:59
ash211this is largely an academic exercise, i'm just wondering how things work11:59
gnomefreakash211: no url shouldnt be labled as upstream11:59
ash211well, it is!11:59
imbrandonash211, upstream importances are NOT set intentionaly, and it needs a url if its marked upstream11:59
ash211ahh, ok11:59
gnomefreakash211: reject it12:00
ash211I just set it!12:00
gnomefreakupstream process atleast12:00
ash211I'll file an upstream bug report and link it then12:00
gnomefreakoh12:00
imbrandonash211, good, thats what (upsteam) is intened for :)12:00
ash211thanks, that clears things up a lot then12:01
ash211so the only way to change importance for upstream bugs is 1) if it's linked to a URL, the importance is loaded from there 2) with no URL, the bug contact can change it12:01
imbrandonash211, no only 1)12:01
imbrandonnot 2)12:02
imbrandonwe cannot and should not set upstrteam importance, its their decision12:02
gnomefreakno URL means no upstream bug12:02
imbrandonand theirs only12:02
ash211got it imbrandon12:02
ash211so why does launchpad allow you to set an upstream bug without providing a url?12:03
imbrandonand if its marked (upstream) and no url is given that needs to be fixed, e.g. filed upstream12:03
imbrandonbecause upstream runs the products , not us12:03
imbrandonso THEY can set it12:03
imbrandonif they only use3 our bugtracker12:03
ash211so that upstream bug contact is an amarok person12:03
imbrandone.g. like trinity, only uses LP there is not another bug tracker for that project12:04
imbrandonexactly12:04
ash211I was interpretting that as a sort of mediator between ubuntu and amarok12:04
imbrandonno12:04
imbrandonproducts ARE upstream12:04
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imbrandonsome are made automaticly so we can forward bugs like in this case12:04
imbrandonupstream, but products are NOT ubuntu, ubuntu is a product in LP12:04
imbrandon:)12:04
nixternalif you want to subscribe to upstream bugs for Amarok that would be done on bugs.kde.org, and unless you have the power, all you can do is watch over there12:05
imbrandonbasicly it boils down too your looking at LP narrowly as if its only for ubuntu ;) rember upstream CAN use lp too :)12:05
ash211ah, ok, that's what I was forgetting in this case12:06
ash211sorry for clogging up kubuntu-devel for so long!12:06
imbrandonnp12:06
imbrandonits confusing at time12:06
imbrandons12:06
Riddellnixternal: that all sounds good, you should push your branch to launchpad so I can take a look and merge it in12:10
imbrandonheya Riddell12:10
nixternalhrmm, do I have the ability to push the changes?12:10
nixternalI thought I just compressed and linked you to them12:10
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nixternalmarseillai: the latest one?12:11
marseillaiyep12:11
nixternalnice12:11
nixternalI have to say, smplayer is the only one that hasn't crashed while playing my Sammy Hagar DVD :)12:11
nixternalI like it12:11
marseillainixternal: just have to do a patch because i've change makefile and i propose it to revu ............;12:12
Riddellnixternal: push to your own branch, see help tab on https://code.launchpad.net/12:12
nixternalinteresting12:13

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