[12:29] <|NewUser|> i think there is no way there. ubuntu just check my / root partition
[12:31] <misfit-toy> |NewUser|, are  you saying you want to fsck a windows partition??
[12:32] <|NewUser|> misfit-toy: dont know wth.. whenever i boot up fsck get problem with FAT partitions
[12:32] <misfit-toy> oh, I see, it wants to RUN an fsck on a FAT...weird...let me google.
[12:32] <|NewUser|>  checking file system " and after that.. " dosfsck 2,11, 17 Apr 2007, fat32, LFN. No FSINFO sector NOt automatically creating it, /dev/sda1: 1000054 files, 667795/126655 "
[12:32] <|NewUser|> something like this
[12:33] <misfit-toy> |NewUser|, read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2401899
[12:33] <|NewUser|> misfit-toy: sure.. let me open it
[12:35] <XVampireX> Hi
[12:35] <XVampireX> Does anyone here use democracy tv?
[12:36] <|NewUser|> misfit-toy: there is a way " Most likely just disabling fsck for your FAT partition should fix the problem. Edit /etc/fstab and change the last number in the entry line for the FAT partition to '0'. " but in my fstab entries there is no FAT partition ?
[12:38] <richb> |NewUser|: hmm maybe /etc/hald.conf
[12:39] <robertj__> ok hurray
[12:39] <richb> |NewUser|: hmm maybe /etc/hal/hald.conf even
[12:39] <Shaddox> Hello everyone. I need help setting up my BIND on my server. I have generated a zone file, but my registrar reports that my dns server has no whois data.
[12:39] <robertj__> Screem actually edits HTML and works with Gnome VFS!
[12:39] <|NewUser|> richb:  let me check there is any info for FAT32
[12:40] <|NewUser|> richb:  there is no file name like this. hald.conf  in /etc/hal/
[12:41] <|NewUser|> richb: there is just once file in /etc/hal/fdi
[12:41] <XVampireX> http://files.fullcirclemagazine.org/uploads/issue0.pdf
[12:42] <XVampireX> looks good
[12:44] <richb> |NewUser|: I dunno. There must be a way to tun automount off but I don't know it:-)
[12:45] <|NewUser|> richb: its ok dude.. waiting for someone.. who may fix this crap from my mahine ..
[12:46] <|NewUser|> richb:
[12:47] <|NewUser|> richb: well i can access my FAT32 partitions from Places/Computer/filesystem/media/ There is my all FAT32 partitions .. and dont know what they are doing there.. i aint mount at anyone..
[12:48] <|NewUser|> richb: there is My FAT32 Partitions name sda1 sda5 ANd one ext3 Redhat linux partition. there
[12:49] <|NewUser|> i dont know what they are doing there .. coz i aint mount any partition before.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> |NewUser|, do you mean that you didn't install the redhat on your machine ?
[12:52] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj:  as i said.. i have redhat too in another ext3 partition.
[12:53] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj: i m saying that in media folder there is all fat32 and ext3 partitions
[12:53] <|NewUser|> but No fat32 or another ext3 partitions entry in fstab
[12:55] <BluesKaj> what about boot menu , do they show up there ?
[12:55] <misfit-toy> |NewUser|,  check system/preferences/removeable drives and media
[12:55] <|NewUser|> yes.. on startup there on GRUB .. Windows And Redhat working fine
[12:56] <misfit-toy> although I think that only applies to once you're IN the OS...
[12:56] <|NewUser|> misfit-toy:  what i check there ? in removeable media ?
[12:57] <misfit-toy> |NewUser|, don't bother I don't think that will fix your issue...sorry.
[12:58] <Ashbringer> Hello, I compiled my kernel a while ago, and now whenever I update it to a binary image, update-manager will complain about calling /sbin/update-grub, and it'll tell me to update my /etc/kernel-img.conf. THe file it then refers me to doesn't really help. How can I stop this and get update-manager to update my kernel succesfully?
[12:58] <|NewUser|> :<
[12:58] <misfit-toy> |NewUser|, I don't know that's a weird one, but someone here will know the answer.
[12:59] <|NewUser|> misfit-toy:  i asking same thing since last 1 hour 25 minutes. ;)
[01:00] <BluesKaj> |NewUser|,what do yo want to do? ...I was away at dinner so i missed the original question and problem
[01:01] <|NewUser|> when ever i start my Fiesty in start its got stuck on " checking file system " and after that.. " dosfsck 2,11, 17 Apr 2007, fat32, LFN. No FSINFO sector NOt automatically creating it, /dev/sda1: 1000054 files, 667795/126655 " this happens with all FAT32 Partition coz of this my startup is too much slow :< what should i do ? to fix it? Plz Someone can help me?
[01:02] <neonlinux> hey all, anyone know when this week feisty gets released... building a server for a school and was hoping to use the latest ubuntu
[01:02] <Ashbringer> neonlinux: Its out on thursday
[01:02] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, basically something is telling his system to run dosfsck on a fat partition when his system boots, beyond me.
[01:02] <BluesKaj> |NewUser|, it's loading your FAT partitition files into  the media folder on startup
[01:03] <neonlinux> Ashbringer: cool thanks :)
[01:03] <BluesKaj> ubuntu media folder
[01:03] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj:
[01:03] <|NewUser|> i dont want to mount
[01:04] <|NewUser|> i just want to check my / partition
[01:04] <catduck> anybody know where to find that multimedia wizard they're hyping?
[01:04] <BluesKaj> I think , but i'm not certain but ,he has to go into his media folder and turn off the share
[01:08] <catduck> no?
[01:09] <BluesKaj> |NewUser|, if you check your FAT partition from within ubuntu it's going to mount the files from FAT .You can also check and reset the settings of your FAT partitions without mounting in system settings/adavanced /disk & file systems/
[01:09] <dystopianray_> catduck: if you click on a file that you have no codec for it's supposed to popup and take you through installing the necessary codecs
[01:10] <catduck> dystopianray_: thanks
[01:10] <askar> Why do I have to write my password to gnome-keyring to connect to wireless?! Hope this will be gone in final release?
[01:11] <dystopianray_> askar: the wireless password is stored in the gnome-keyring
[01:11] <dystopianray_> askar: and no it won't be gone, feisty is basically finalised feature wise
[01:11] <dystopianray_> askar: and what you're describing is af eature
[01:12] <askar> dystopianray_: feature? Me and many more would describe it a bug? Or at least a very annoying extrastep top connect...
[01:12] <dystopianray_> askar: the feature is securely storing wireless passwords
[01:12] <askar> dystopianray_: It would have been ok if I could choose "Never ask again" or somehing..
[01:13] <dystopianray_> askar: i believe you can setup and use pam_keyring, or something similar, which automatically opens the keyring when you login
[01:17] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, wow I don't see that anywhere in my menus, maybe because I upgraded from edgy or something....
[01:17] <Shaddox> Hello everyone. I need someone to help me with my BIND zone file, I  think I may have gotten it wrong.
[01:20] <BluesKaj> misfit-toy, ?
[01:20] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, I answered your IM
[01:21] <BluesKaj> sorry misfit-toy, missed you
[01:21] <misfit-toy> heh
[01:22] <BluesKaj> and the answer :)
[01:24] <|NewUser|> someone can help ?
[01:24] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj:  there is nothing option... as u said.
[01:24] <misfit-toy> "settings/advanced/disk and file systems"
[01:25] <dystopianray_> misfit_toy: |NewUser|: he was talking about kubuntu
[01:25] <|NewUser|> ahh
[01:25] <misfit-toy> ah
[01:25] <|NewUser|> sorry
[01:25] <misfit-toy> lol
[01:25] <|NewUser|> i m using GNOME
[01:25] <BluesKaj> misfit-toy, system settings/advanced/disk&file systems
[01:25] <Bicchi> I am using the slab menu and would like to know how do I create a new entry for an application?
[01:25] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj:  im using gnome
[01:26] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, you're on Kubuntu, sorry, didn't know.
[01:26] <|NewUser|> BRB reboot
[01:28] <BluesKaj> ok, I'll keep my mouth shut ..one friendly soul here already called me an idiot for not asking the right questions :)
[01:29] <BluesKaj> yeah, that usually only happens if he mounts from within the OS
[01:30] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, it's amazing the audacity of people typing TEXT and getting pissed off, I don't get that behavior.
[01:31] <dystopianray_> misfit_toy: i was annoyed becuase he implied that my help is useless
[01:31] <dystopianray_> misfit_toy: and to not bother asking questions in here
[01:32] <ratshell> Question I know my sound card is /dev/ something. I have to sound cards. How do I find out which is which. Like which is /dev/oss and what the other is?
[01:32] <misfit-toy> lol, I'm staying out of it!!!
[01:32] <dystopianray_> ratshell: the alsa stuff is in /dev/snd/
[01:32] <misfit-toy> and here is the bug when he returns, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dosfstools/+bug/59293
[01:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 59293 in dosfstools "Dosfsck Run On Every Boot on FAT" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[01:32] <misfit-toy> bbl
 BluesKaj: hey I've helped a lot of people in here today, you're just an idiot who doesn't ask questions properly
[01:34] <EkHyMoSiS> Hola
[01:34] <EkHyMoSiS> alguien que hable espaol?
[01:34] <EkHyMoSiS> :)
[01:34] <BluesKaj> !es
[01:34] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:34] <EkHyMoSiS> lol
[01:34] <EkHyMoSiS> thanks
[01:35] <BluesKaj> thank the bot :)
[01:35] <EkHyMoSiS> thanks ubotu
[01:35] <BluesKaj> :)
[01:38] <BluesKaj> ratshell , lspci ...see which one is recognized ...but if you run sometimes one has to be disabled in the BIOS in order for at least one to be recognized
[01:38] <BluesKaj> if you run 2 cards
[01:39] <coz_> hey guys quick queston,, i see the kernel thing is fixed but wondering if yo ubroke the wacom tablet driver  because I just fresh installed feisty and have been trying to get the wacom driver working for about a half hour now
[01:39] <misfit-toy> man these little cigars smoke too quick, now I'm back here, sheesh. ;p
[01:40] <misfit-toy> coz_, I had the opposite, it wanted to put the wacom in my xorg and I kept having to remove it...dunno, sorry, no help from me
[01:40] <coz_> misfit-toy, ok
[01:40] <coz_> misfit-toy, what problem are you having with the wacom driver
[01:40] <misfit-toy> coz_, so you have a tablet?
[01:40] <coz_> misfit-toy, yes
[01:40] <coz_> so do my clients
[01:40] <BluesKaj> ya gotta quit that cigar thing  ,misfit-toy
[01:40] <Exien> Hi, I have an issue and was wondering if someone could help me. I have a secondary monitor which has a native resolution of 1680x1050 and its plugged in to my laptop. Before on Edgy it would automatically go to the resolution of 1680x1050 when the second monitor was plugged in but now that I'm on Feisty it won't do it at all. I also went to Xubuntu so I'm not sure if the issue has to do with XFCE or not. Could someone help me figure out
[01:40] <Exien> how I can get this right? :(
[01:40] <misfit-toy> coz_, I don't have a tablet that's why it was weird that it kept putting it in there.
[01:41] <coz_> misfit-toy, its in there by default
[01:41] <misfit-toy> ah
[01:41] <coz_> but not enabled misfit-toy
[01:41] <misfit-toy> I just kept nuking it until it stuck, heheh
[01:41] <misfit-toy> coz_, so you have artsy clients running unbuntu?
[01:41] <coz_> misfit-toy, well it does nothing unitl you actually enable it in three settings there so
[01:41] <misfit-toy> *ubuntu
[01:41] <otix> Exien: DVI or VGA?
[01:42] <coz_> misfit-toy, I have disabled clients that need to use the tablet
[01:42] <misfit-toy> coz_, so you go in xorg.conf and enable and what happens?
[01:42] <coz_> misfit-toy, well you have to find the event for the table in /dev/input and on fesity it is event4
[01:43] <Exien> otix, Its VGA
[01:43] <misfit-toy> and?
[01:43] <coz_> then you have to writes that into three places in the xorg restart x then it should work
[01:43] <misfit-toy> coz_, interesting, did it work in edgy?
[01:43] <coz_> misfit-toy, yeah and it worked in feisty the other day as well unitl this kernel thingy happened
[01:43] <misfit-toy> grrr
[01:44] <misfit-toy> I wish I knew more about tablets in linux, I just have never had one, but surely someone here knows.
[01:44] <coz_> i am wondering if they broke the wacom driver in the process of fixing the kernel
[01:44] <otix> Exien: ok.  I just did mine on DVI & I had to tell xorg.conf to ignore EDID
[01:44] <coz_> misfit-toy, I have an old graphire 2 if you want it
[01:44] <Exien> otix, Oh I don't know what that is, but thanks.
[01:44] <misfit-toy> coz_, from what I understand all they fixed in the kernel was ata settings.
[01:45] <misfit-toy> coz_, I DO!!!
[01:45] <coz_> misfit-toy, mm   well yesterday everytime I restarted I had to reinstall the nvidia drivers
[01:45] <misfit-toy> coz_, are you running the 15 kernel -generic?
[01:45] <coz_> misfit-toy, to day after fresh install an updates that seems to be holding
[01:45] <coz_> misfit-toy, yes
[01:46] <coz_> misfit-toy, 2.6.20-15
[01:46] <misfit-toy> coz_, and nvidia doesn't blow up, just the tablet part? or you get that ugly X error?
[01:46] <coz_> misfit-toy, no errors at all just the tablet driver refuses to kick in   cat event finds the event fine enough but it wont' kick in at all
[01:47] <misfit-toy> ew
[01:47] <coz_> earlier i was haveing difficulty installing edgy because of this error   /bin/sh : cant access TTY; job control turned off
[01:48] <coz_> I figured that one out but now the wacom thing can only be two things my error , which it isn't m, or kernel error with wacom driver
[01:49] <coz_> so let me try this thing again ,,, restart .. see if it kicks in
[01:50] <eagles0513875> what pkg do i download to change direct rendering from no to yes for an nvidia gpu in feisty
[01:51] <misfit-toy> when coz_ returns http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=292533
[01:52] <TheVault> I got a question. I'm using that extension that allows the pages to be read to you when you highlight the text and click read. Its CLC Free TTS extension for Firefox. I'm using the Java version right now, but Orca sounds more clear and is easier to understand. Problem is, when I had orca enabled, when I'm clicking a menu on my desktop or something, orca is saying everything, which I only want it to work in Firefox, is there a fix
[01:52] <TheVault>  for this?
[01:53] <Comrade_Sergei> if i have a feisty cd can i use it to upgrade to it without reinstalling? (im on breezy)
[01:54] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, I'm not sure you can go from breezy to feisty, someone here will know though.
[01:54] <eagles0513875> Comrade_Sergei: open up a command line and type in sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:54] <Comrade_Sergei> ok
[01:54] <Comrade_Sergei> hold on
[01:54] <eagles0513875> ok
[01:54] <eagles0513875> Comrade_Sergei: do u have feisty repositories
[01:54] <eagles0513875> added to adept list
[01:55] <Comrade_Sergei> lol i have 1. breezy and 2. ubuntu so synaptic lol
[01:55] <Comrade_Sergei> what is the apt line for feisty?
[01:55] <eagles0513875> u want to add the feisty repositories first
[01:55] <eagles0513875> !source-o-matic
[01:55] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:55] <Comrade_Sergei> its complaining the packages are held back
[01:56] <eagles0513875> go to that site and it generates the scripts for the version u want the repository scripts for
[01:56] <eagles0513875> then add them to the synaptics list
[01:56] <Comrade_Sergei> ill check it out brb
[01:56] <eagles0513875> ok
[01:57] <Comrade_Sergei> ok got it now where in the /etc is that list
[01:57] <Ace2016> Hi all
[01:57] <Ace2016> can anyone help me setup my mouse, its not working properly
[01:58] <Ace2016> it has a scroll ball instead of a wheel
[01:58] <Comrade_Sergei> cool
[01:58] <Ace2016> the horizontal movement of the mouse does the same thing as the vertical movement
[01:58] <Ace2016> when i rotate it up and down it scrolls up and down in websites and stuff
[01:58] <BluesKaj> Comrade_Sergei,  kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list in the runbox
[01:59] <Ace2016> but when i rotate it horizontally it still also scrolls up and down
[01:59] <Ace2016> when i scroll horizontally it scrolls up and down faster than when i use vertical scrolling
[01:59] <Ace2016> can someone help
[02:00] <Comrade_Sergei> i was gonna say its read only
[02:00] <Ace2016> xev says that buttons 6 and 7 are also 4 and 5
[02:00] <BluesKaj> Ace2016, kde or gnome?
[02:00] <Comrade_Sergei> BluesKaj i run gnome with ubuntu
[02:00] <Ace2016> BluesKaj: kde
[02:00] <Comrade_Sergei> isnt it gksudo?
[02:00] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, good question, LOL
[02:00] <misfit-toy> :)
[02:00] <Ace2016> BluesKaj: does it matter? since xorg controls the mouse
[02:00] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:01] <Ace2016> how does it matter?
[02:02] <BluesKaj> youcan do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ...and run thru that  to setup the mouse , if you wish
[02:02] <Comrade_Sergei> BluesKaj can i get the gnome command for editing the sources.list
[02:03] <snowpunk98> How do I create the lowest level user with no sudo rights, only able to login and use whats been installed and configured
[02:03] <BluesKaj> Comrade_Sergei,  gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list in the runbox
[02:03] <Comrade_Sergei> ty you run kde huh?
[02:03] <eagles0513875> Comrade_Sergei: did that help ya out
[02:03] <Comrade_Sergei> im working on it
[02:04] <eagles0513875> kool
[02:04] <eagles0513875> sry i couldnt help ya with ubuntu commands i use kubuntu
[02:04] <Comrade_Sergei> ut oh its blank!
[02:04] <eagles0513875> that means u typed it in wrong
[02:04] <eagles0513875> try cd /etc
[02:05] <BluesKaj> maybe the wrong editor
[02:05] <eagles0513875> possibly
[02:05] <Comrade_Sergei> wtf no its not
[02:05] <Comrade_Sergei> hold on
[02:05] <eagles0513875> what other editors u have installed on ur comp
[02:05] <Comrade_Sergei> gedit
[02:05] <clouder`grr> snowpunk98: I think under System -> Administration -> Users and Groups, you can view the user's properties and check or uncheck any privileges you want them to have
[02:05] <Comrade_Sergei> its /etc/apt right?
[02:06] <eagles0513875> try cd /etc/apt
[02:06] <BluesKaj> look in the menu for advanced text editor
[02:06] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:07] <eagles0513875> ttyl guys
[02:07] <BluesKaj> Comrade_Sergei, ' gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list '
[02:07] <Comrade_Sergei> its blank when i access it with a cli but its all there when i use nautilus to do it!
[02:07] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, just "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:07] <Comrade_Sergei> misfit got it
[02:07] <Comrade_Sergei> cool
[02:07] <Comrade_Sergei> so just add the feisty ones to the bottom?
[02:08] <eagles0513875> yep
[02:08] <BluesKaj> yeah misfit to the rescue ... I usually use the run box to access the text editor
[02:08] <eagles0513875> save it then run the update command
[02:08] <Comrade_Sergei> run box lol
[02:08] <eagles0513875> then run dist-upgrade
[02:08] <llamakc> anyway to stop apache2, phpbb, wordpress from removal when moving to feisty? tried the update-manager method, and manually with apt-get dist-upgrade.
[02:08] <llamakc> oh and hello
[02:10] <Comrade_Sergei> !pastebin
[02:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:11] <beg1689> sup
[02:11] <Comrade_Sergei> i got errors!
[02:11] <beg1689> i have a question about libpam-keyring
[02:11] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, you have to delete the breezy ones
[02:11] <beg1689> i have it enabled so that when i log into gnome my defualt keyring is unlocked
[02:11] <Comrade_Sergei> oh lol
[02:11] <Ace2016> if i'm using the nvidia drivers should i enable "framebuffer device interface" what does this do??? the xserver i use us XGL
[02:12] <beg1689> but im trying to use xfce (xubuntu, whatever) on the same computer, but it wont unlock the keyring
[02:12] <feistyman> Hello, can anyone help me find a couple of file the ubuntu team want to check? They are:  /etc/network/interfaces  and
[02:12] <feistyman> /var/log/daemon.log  Anyone know where I can find them?
[02:12] <beg1689> gnome startup stuff is enabled in xfce
[02:13] <beg1689> find?
[02:13] <beg1689> they are exactly where you said
[02:13] <BluesKaj> actually it's easier sometimes just editing by deleting everything in the sources list and copy and pasting the latest sources list into the file
[02:13] <feistyman> beg1689, how do I get to them. I just pasted what they asked for
[02:13] <Comrade_Sergei> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16033/    the error
[02:14] <beg1689> im not exactly sure what you mean...
[02:14] <beg1689> in nautilus just go to "filesystem"
[02:14] <beg1689> and open the folders
[02:14] <feistyman> beg1689, apologies for my ignorance.
[02:14] <beg1689> just be more specific
[02:15] <feistyman> Is it called filesystem?
[02:15] <feistyman> Is it in "system"
[02:15] <beg1689> open up computer
[02:15] <beg1689> in places
[02:15] <Comrade_Sergei> BluesKaj misfit-toy: have you seen the problem im getting its like my box isnt even looking at the repos
[02:15] <feistyman> ok
[02:15] <beg1689> open filesystem
[02:15] <SonicVIBE> anyone using ubuntu 7.04 for a dvr yet?
[02:16] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, after you delete the breezy ones then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:16] <beg1689> that is /
[02:16] <feistyman> I don't see "filesystem" there
[02:16] <beg1689> in computer?
[02:16] <Comrade_Sergei> ok there we go
[02:16] <BluesKaj> feistyman "/etc/apt/network/interfaces"...use your fav text editor to access the file
[02:16] <feistyman> ok
[02:16] <feistyman> checking...
[02:16] <Comrade_Sergei> misfit-toy will this upgrade me to feisty from the cd?
[02:16] <beg1689> apt?
[02:17] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, no, from the net
[02:17] <llamakc> any suggestions on pinning apache2 before dist-upgrading? all the package managers want to remove it
[02:17] <BluesKaj> Comrade_Sergei, make sure adept isn't still open
[02:17] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, to upgrade if you have a cd you should just be able to boot to it and pick "upgrade" during the install.
[02:17] <misfit-toy> didn't know you had a cd.
[02:17] <beg1689> in a text editor or file browser or whatever, if your using regular ubuntu, look for the "Filesystem" button
[02:17] <Comrade_Sergei> lol\
[02:18] <Comrade_Sergei> let me try
[02:18] <BluesKaj> he has to apt-get update after editing the sources list before he can install anything
[02:18] <Comrade_Sergei> misfit-toy i am at breezy right now though does that matter?
[02:18] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, I already told him that
[02:18] <RedRose> How can I create a module from an already existing one? I.E. The Toshiba ACPI support?
[02:18] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, see what the install says, if it will upgrade then yes.
[02:19] <BluesKaj> ok good , just checking , misfit-toy
[02:19] <Comrade_Sergei> ill be back if it doesnt work lol
[02:19] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, say that with a Swarzenegger accent!
[02:20] <feistyman> I found the   /etc/network/interfaces  file..    How do I find the  /var/log/daemon.log
[02:20] <BluesKaj> comrade ...ove that nick :)
[02:21] <beg1689> same way you found that one
[02:21] <SonicVIBE> hey fellas i got this box that i want to install 7.04 when it is released later this week
[02:21] <SonicVIBE> the primary purpose of it is for a dvr
[02:21] <feistyman> I think I found them both. Thanks guys
[02:21] <beg1689> why wait?
[02:21] <beg1689> dvr...
[02:21] <SonicVIBE> i'm curious partitions i want to use
[02:22] <beg1689> you mean how much to give to ubuntu?
[02:22] <SonicVIBE> its a ~200gb hd
[02:22] <SonicVIBE> yeah
[02:22] <beg1689> you wont need more than 5 gb
[02:22] <beg1689> i have tons of stuff installed and im at 3.2
[02:22] <BluesKaj> misfit-toy , I don't think  he can go directly from breezy to feisty
[02:22] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, I don't know at all, the install will tell him.
[02:22] <beg1689> i have 20gb set aside for ubuntu but i wish i didnt give it so much
[02:23] <SonicVIBE> so maybe 10 max?
[02:23] <beg1689> yea, i think 10 is plenty
[02:24] <beg1689> pesonally id probably do 5 or 6, not sure how much mythv wants for its databases though
[02:24] <SonicVIBE> i have seen guides for installing mythtv on ubuntu, will i have much difficulty?
[02:24] <RedRose> How can I create a module from an already existing one? I.E. The Toshiba ACPI support?
[02:24] <feistyman> Thanks, beg1689, and thanks BluesKaj
[02:24] <SonicVIBE> i really don't know much but am a quick learner and can rtfm
[02:25] <IdleOne> SonicVIBE: rtfm is not a valid or accepted answer in the Ubuntu world
[02:25] <SonicVIBE> heh
[02:25] <SonicVIBE> okay.
[02:25] <IdleOne> !mythtv
[02:25] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[02:25] <IdleOne> there you go
[02:26] <SonicVIBE> thanks
[02:26] <IdleOne> now go RTFM lmao
[02:26] <IdleOne> :P
[02:26] <BluesKaj> misfit-toy, I just checked nextdoor at #kubuntu... quote : i guess in theory, if you updated sources manually, but definately NOT a good idea
[02:26] <IdleOne> misfit-toy: leep-frogging versions especially several version like that is a very bad idea
[02:27] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, but he's doing it from cd, not net, the install will tell him if it isn't going to work.
[02:27] <misfit-toy> IdleOne, I said that at the outset
[02:27] <misfit-toy> he's the one that wanted to continue, so be it.
[02:27] <IdleOne> misfit-toy: you can backup /home and any other important files then do i clean install
[02:28] <IdleOne> and restore the files
[02:28] <RedRose> How can I create a module from an already existing one(to get a .mo)? I.E. The Toshiba ACPI support? Do I have to rebuild the kernel?
[02:28] <misfit-toy> IdleOne, of course you can, he wanted to upgrade straightaway, I told him not a good idea, that it probably wouldn't work, he wanted to try, his deal.
[02:29] <Comrade_Sergei> nope it gives me an error
[02:29] <Comrade_Sergei> what were those 2 commands again guys?
[02:30] <IdleOne> misfit-toy: he was warned :)
[02:30] <Comrade_Sergei> nm i think i got it
[02:31] <Comrade_Sergei> how longs this going to take assuming im on a 256k line and running breezy badger?
[02:32] <r00tintheb0x> anyone feel like listening to some whining
[02:32] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[02:32] <Comrade_Sergei> got any cheese?
[02:32] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, how does one back up /home ...it's a pretty large file on my pc at least ?
[02:32] <r00tintheb0x> tar -cjf home.tar.gz /home
[02:33] <Comrade_Sergei> i really should take the time and learn all these unix switches
[02:33] <Comrade_Sergei> damn windows
[02:33] <r00tintheb0x> you'll never learn them like that
[02:33] <r00tintheb0x> you just have to keep using it.
[02:34] <r00tintheb0x> i know like 1/16th of the flags and ive been a serious *NIX user for about 6 years
[02:34] <BluesKaj> r00tintheb0x, where is the backup file stored and then retrieved ?
[02:34] <r00tintheb0x> BluesKaj, tape
[02:34] <Comrade_Sergei> lol im taking a nux class next year for that
[02:34] <r00tintheb0x> compengi, i'd sugguest you output it to a different partition.
[02:34] <SonicVIBE> alright, i was never good with knowing how much to dedicate partitions
[02:34] <r00tintheb0x> Comrade_Sergei, learn bacula... its what i use @ work.
[02:35] <BluesKaj> not on my system it won't :)
[02:35] <r00tintheb0x> im sure they'll test yo on it.
[02:35] <Comrade_Sergei> and to think ive been with ubuntu ever since warty and debian woody and i still dont get it
[02:35] <Comrade_Sergei> what is bacula?
[02:36] <SonicVIBE> is 256 ideal for swap size?
[02:36] <Comrade_Sergei> no
[02:36] <Comrade_Sergei> i think the ideal is like 2 gb
[02:36] <r00tintheb0x> SonicVIBE, how much ram do you have?
[02:36] <r00tintheb0x> no
[02:36] <SonicVIBE> 512
[02:36] <r00tintheb0x> rule of thumb.
[02:37] <SonicVIBE> thats what i thought
[02:37] <Comrade_Sergei> well its ram x3 right
[02:37] <r00tintheb0x> amount of ram x 1.5
[02:37] <Comrade_Sergei> oh!
[02:37] <r00tintheb0x> nooo way lol
[02:37] <r00tintheb0x> ;)
[02:37] <r00tintheb0x> some people do that, but if you have a system using 3GB of ram, you need more ram.
[02:37] <Comrade_Sergei> i have 1.5 gb ram and it made mine 2 gb si thats why i guess
[02:37] <r00tintheb0x> i mean swap*
[02:38] <Comrade_Sergei> id think if you had 3 gb of ram there wouldnt be much paging going on
[02:38] <r00tintheb0x> negative
[02:38] <r00tintheb0x> i have a gig of ram, and i have like... 1G of swap
[02:38] <r00tintheb0x> 1:1 ratop
[02:38] <r00tintheb0x> ratio*
[02:38] <r00tintheb0x> servers, i use (amount of ram x 1.5)
[02:38] <SonicVIBE> okay
[02:38] <Comrade_Sergei> but you hardly touch it unless your bombing the system
[02:39] <Comrade_Sergei> so do my servers
[02:39] <BluesKaj> 1G ram , 1G swap ...that's what "experts" told me
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> well
[02:39] <Comrade_Sergei> w/e
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> I SAY.
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> thats a waste of disk space.
[02:39] <Naddiseo> So my 3GB swap is overkill?
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> you go tell those experts, i said they're wasteful
[02:39] <Comrade_Sergei> if you had 1 gb of ram dont you think youd have a hdd thats a little larger than 1 gb
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> oh yeah
[02:40] <Naddiseo> Meh, I have 200GB to play with
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> if you have a gig of ram, you should have no more than a 1.5G swap space
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> for me, thats even overkill
[02:40] <Naddiseo> I have 1GB RAM and 3GBswap
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> i dont use swap
[02:40] <Comrade_Sergei> 120 my self and a 1 tb NAS
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> but i have some GOOD ram.
[02:40] <Naddiseo> I wanted to take advantage of 64bit..
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> why didnt you
[02:40] <Comrade_Sergei> i tell you 64 bit linux and 1.5 gb ddr2 ram is the way to go
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> no
[02:41] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, so what happened?
[02:41] <r00tintheb0x> 64Bit SUN & 4G of ram is the way to go Comrade_Sergei
[02:41] <r00tintheb0x> ;)
[02:41] <Comrade_Sergei>  its loading
[02:41] <Comrade_Sergei> r00t what kind of ram rimms right?
[02:41] <Tm_T> gbeshers: hi and welcome :)
[02:41] <gbeshers> Thank you, Tm_T
[02:41] <r00tintheb0x> hi gbeshers :)
[02:41] <Comrade_Sergei> stupid rambus
[02:41] <BluesKaj> Comrade_Sergei, did you back up your 'important files' ?
[02:41] <r00tintheb0x> stupid disksuite
[02:42] <h1st0> I have to figure out why my server keeps going down.
[02:42] <Comrade_Sergei> i never dropped them on the hdd yet
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> Comrade_Sergei, i'd suguest you back up /var and /etc too
[02:42] <gbeshers> Thx, r00tintheb0x
[02:42] <Comrade_Sergei> this was a fresh breezy install
[02:42] <Comrade_Sergei> whys that?
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> :) @ gbeshers
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> Comrade_Sergei, thats what is going to prevent/keep your system up
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> etc/var
[02:42] <Comrade_Sergei> i got my /home dir backed up to my ipod
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> etc & var
[02:42] <gbeshers> Trouble with nvidia driver -- anyone else getting it to load?
[02:43] <r00tintheb0x> gbeshers, yes i have, but im working form home right now or i'd help you
[02:43] <misfit-toy> gbeshers, make sure you have the matching linux-restricted-drivers for your kernel
[02:43] <Comrade_Sergei> r00tintheb0x i dont really care theres nothing mission critical on here, if i get it wrong ill just redo it
[02:43] <r00tintheb0x> download the kernel headers you're using on ubuntu and reinstall the .sh file from NVidia
[02:43] <beanie> nvidia works fine
[02:43] <Comrade_Sergei> and come here and complain ;)
[02:43] <r00tintheb0x> Comrade_Sergei, then /home is fine "the good stuff"
[02:43] <Comrade_Sergei> lol yea all 20 gb of music and customizations
[02:44] <r00tintheb0x> ;)
[02:44] <Comrade_Sergei> i customized the crap out of edgy when i had it , thank god i backed that up!
[02:44] <Tm_T> r00tintheb0x: it's not recommended to use driver installer from nvidia when there is working drivers packaged
[02:44] <r00tintheb0x> aah sorry Tm_T
[02:44] <r00tintheb0x> gbeshers, eighty-six what i said
[02:44] <Comrade_Sergei> i wish id gone SLi now that im running ubuntu, crossfires not so hot here :(
[02:44] <Tm_T> !nvidia
[02:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:45] <gbeshers> misfit-toy : Im at 2.6.20-15 -- which linux-restricted-drivers?
[02:45] <BluesKaj> r00tintheb0x, what's the best way to back up /home ...to another ext partition ?
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> BluesKaj, or on the net somewhere
[02:46] <BluesKaj> no tape
[02:46] <Comrade_Sergei> and a amd athlon fx would probably have been a better choice than my p4 2.4ghz ht
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> BluesKaj, how big is your home
[02:46] <BluesKaj> 13G
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> i'd sugguest another partition
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> or to a FTP/NFS server
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> if you have a LAN.
[02:46] <Comrade_Sergei> nfs lol
[02:47] <beanie> rsync ftw!
[02:47] <gbeshers> beanie: with 2.6.20-15?  which Nvidia card are you using?
[02:47] <BluesKaj> just wifeys old 6G ,366mhz HP on the network here
[02:47] <beanie> geforce 2 go with legacy driver :>
[02:48] <gbeshers> Ok, 5950 I think really needs the new one.
[02:48] <BluesKaj> <---no work , no office ...old reitired guy
[02:49] <r00tintheb0x> heheh BluesKaj
[02:49] <r00tintheb0x> no worries
[02:49] <beanie> u need nvidia-glx... just install the package and the kernel-modules
[02:49] <r00tintheb0x> <-------
[02:49] <Comrade_Sergei> lol
[02:49] <BluesKaj> hehe
[02:49] <Comrade_Sergei> r00t what distro ubuntu right?
[02:49] <Comrade_Sergei> i assume
[02:49] <Lunar_Lamp> I have a package (tftpd-hpa) that I can't remove as it's "in an inconsistent state" and can't install.  Pastebin of error messages are here: http://www.pastebin.ca/index.php (I get the same erros using apt-get and aptitude, but with more lines of spam)
[02:49] <r00tintheb0x> Comrade_Sergei, i use ubuntu for my personal server and home...
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> but im working with Solaris right now.;
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[02:50] <beanie> lol ubuntu for server...
[02:50] <Comrade_Sergei> ew
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> mirrored root gone bad.
[02:50] <Lunar_Lamp> beanie, ubuntu works fine for home servers I've found :-)
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> yep ubuntu for server, they do have a server install and it is molded after debian beanie
[02:50] <SonicVIBE> does a particular fs handle writing video files better than others?
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> Lunar_Lamp, it works good for any kinda server
[02:50] <Comrade_Sergei> i think paying for linux is kinda oxymoronic
[02:51] <Lunar_Lamp> r00tintheb0x, aye, I suspet so, but I haven't used it on any other kind of server :-)
[02:51] <BluesKaj> Solaris ...interesting  , heard it's a neat OS .. not much on media but fast and reliable for orgs etc
[02:51] <beanie> r00tintheb0x: but for servers ubuntu is to unstable, i prefer sarge
[02:51] <r00tintheb0x> Lunar_Lamp, ive used MANY distros, Ubuntu being one of my fav's
[02:51] <r00tintheb0x> beanie, i use sarge & dapper @ work
[02:51] <Lunar_Lamp> r00tintheb0x, same here :-)
[02:51] <beanie> kubuntu is the best for desktop, but not for servers
[02:52] <Comrade_Sergei> i like to show off kubuntu at lanparties
[02:52] <Lunar_Lamp> I have a package (tftpd-hpa) that I can't remove as it's "in an inconsistent state" and can't install.  Pastebin of error messages are here: http://www.pastebin.ca/index.php (I get the same erros using apt-get and aptitude, but with more lines of spam)
[02:52] <hooray> any wine users?
[02:52] <Comrade_Sergei> heh
[02:53] <hooray>  i can run an exe through wine file, but when i type the command it says it cant write to data folder, my command is- wine "c:\program files\Live for Speed S2\LFS.exe"
[02:53] <Comrade_Sergei> you should cd to that folder before using the wine command
[02:54] <BluesKaj> hooray , sorry to say ...welcome to the wine winers club ...my install does the same thing
[02:54] <Naddiseo> or use winefile
[02:54] <Comrade_Sergei> #winehq
[02:54] <hooray> ya in there no ones answering
[02:54] <Comrade_Sergei> typical
[02:54] <hooray> ya i want a shortcut i dont want to use winefile
[02:54] <Naddiseo> did you try escaping the spaces
[02:54] <Comrade_Sergei> join the club
[02:55] <Comrade_Sergei> misfit-toy is this going to take the rest of the night?
[02:55] <hooray> tip from bftd
[02:55] <hooray> "wine ~/.wine/driver_c/Program\ Files/Live\ for\ Speed\ s2/LFS.exe"
[02:55] <hooray> gonna test it
[02:55] <Comrade_Sergei> lol just use the tab button
[02:55] <r00tintheb0x> w00t
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> and SHE BOOTS!
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> "sun software support says: you're going to have to reinstall"
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> "r00t says: no way man"
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> hah
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> thank GOD i got it up!
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> with 4 mins to spare
[02:56] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[02:57] <misfit-toy> Comrade_Sergei, to do what?
[02:57] <misfit-toy> upgrade?
[02:57] <Comrade_Sergei> yeas
[02:57] <misfit-toy> depends on the sped
[02:57] <misfit-toy> speed
[02:57] <Comrade_Sergei> 256k
[02:57] <Comrade_Sergei> from breezy
[02:57] <vik> is the current beta the RC?
[02:57] <Comrade_Sergei> lol
[02:57] <misfit-toy> 40 minutes
[02:57] <Comrade_Sergei> whoa really omg
[02:58] <Comrade_Sergei> that cant be right it took 5 hrs to download feisty
[03:01] <Comrade-Sergei> and that upgrades me to feisty huh?
[03:01] <Ax3> people using feisty, does freenx work? if so can you point to an installation guide? : D
[03:01] <misfit-toy> Comrade-Sergei, I thought you were doing it from cd????
[03:02] <Comrade-Sergei> misfit-toy i tried and it said error so i went back and did a dist-upgrade
[03:02] <Comrade-Sergei> thats not fatal is it! =0
[03:09] <misfit-toy> Comrade-Sergei, I don't think it will be, but given the world as it is "screws fall out all the time"...so sit tight.
[03:10] <misfit-toy> Comrade-Sergei, you said it was a fresh install of breezy, why are you worried?
[03:10] <misfit-toy> a fresh install means there's nothing there but OS
[03:10] <IdleOne> !freenx | Ax3
[03:11] <IdleOne> !seveas | Ax3
[03:11] <ubotu> Ax3: FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[03:11] <ubotu> Ax3: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:11] <Beta> Is is there any difference between RC1 and an fully updated beta?
[03:11] <Comrade-Sergei> i tend to pwn linux by accident alot on fresh installs
[03:11] <Shaddox> I pwn linux a lot
[03:11] <Shaddox> Because I'm stupid and tend to corrupt my file system
[03:12] <Beta> Well guys? Any reason to do it?
[03:12] <Ax3> hmmm thanks IdleOne
[03:12] <Ax3> will try right now
[03:12] <Shaddox> to do what, i just got back and dont know what's going on ^^
[03:12] <Ax3> just hope i don't mess up this fresh installation of feisty
[03:12] <IdleOne> Beta: probably a couple of kernel fixes and stuff
[03:12] <Beta> Hm....maybe.
[03:13] <IdleOne> Ax3: fresh install have nothing but the OS ... worst thing is you will have to install again
[03:13] <Shaddox> i'm having a myriad of trouble with Bind myself
[03:13] <Ax3> yea but that takes forever lol
[03:13] <IdleOne> Ax3: thats the fun part
[03:13] <Ax3> im going on hour 4 lol
[03:13] <Ax3> backed up 300gb of data from my edgy installation
[03:14] <IdleOne> wow
[03:14] <Ax3> just in case something goes wrong
[03:14] <IdleOne> good idea
[03:14] <Ax3> with this feisty
[03:14] <Shaddox> Anyone happen to know why a BIND Zone file's DNS entries aren't in the Whois db yet?
[03:14] <Ax3> yea better safe than sorry
[03:14] <Ax3> :)
[03:14] <Beta> Any reason my partition which only has the base install of ubuntu keeps getting more full?
[03:14] <mister_roboto> Beta: does your partition contain /var?
[03:15] <Beta> Not sure, how do I check?
[03:15] <Beta> Yeah, it does.
[03:15] <mister_roboto> Beta:  see if "/var" is mounted on something
[03:15] <mister_roboto> Beta: if not, it's alongside "/"
[03:16] <Beta> Yeah, I have a var folder in my filesystem.
[03:16] <mister_roboto> Beta: or rather, a subdir on same partition   that's where all your logs go (well most of em)
[03:17] <Beta> That'd be it. Delete it or just what I think I don't need.
[03:17] <Beta> Roboto
[03:17] <Beta> ?
[03:18] <Shaddox> Beta: IRC can lag, even when internet doesn't. Give him a few minutes to respond. I usually wait for around 10 minutes first.
[03:18] <mister_roboto> Beta: well, it shouldn't be growing huge if you're set up to trim logs, which it should be.  have a look around and see if you have a bunch of old backup logs you can delete
[03:18] <mister_roboto> Shaddox: i was out of room :)
[03:18] <Shaddox> Ah, sorry then. ^^
[03:18] <Beta> Its one full gig.
[03:18] <Shaddox> Roboto, do you happen to know anything about BIND?
[03:18] <mister_roboto> Beta: there are a few subdirs in there where stuff goes that tends to be of VARiable size
[03:18] <mister_roboto> Shaddox: sorry, no
[03:19] <mister_roboto> gotta go grab my pizza from oven soon
[03:19] <Shaddox> Ah crap...I've got my Bind corrected, but for some reason the Whois database doesn't hae them on file.
[03:19] <mister_roboto> Beta: have a look around in /var
[03:19] <Ax3> i did:
[03:19] <mister_roboto> sorry Shaddox.
[03:19] <Ax3> wget http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/1135D466.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[03:19] <Ax3> and it's just stalling....
[03:19] <Ax3> :\
[03:19] <Beta> Hm.....
[03:20] <Beta> Could I remove the run Directory?
[03:20] <seamus7> hi.. when i try to install feisty ... i get something about "static memory" and loading gfx ... then it freezes ... might i have a corrupt cd or is this something else?
[03:20] <Ax3> are the community docs for freenx updated to reflect the feisty changes? :S
[03:21] <misfit_toy> freenx was cool when I used it back in the fedora days...haven't used it in a couple of years.
[03:22] <mister_roboto> Beta: NO!
[03:22] <Beta> Then what should I remove?
[03:22] <mister_roboto> Beta: don't remove any directories. only backup files if you want
[03:23] <Beta> Ah, ok. Hrm......
[03:23] <mister_roboto> Beta: most old logs are gzipped (.gz) or have some kind of number in the extension.
[03:23] <mister_roboto> Beta: look in /var/log, for example
[03:23] <Beta> Ok.
[03:23] <Beta> also .log files?
[03:24] <mister_roboto> Beta: leave them
[03:24] <Beta> So just the .gz files?
[03:24] <mister_roboto> Beta: that's safa
[03:24] <mister_roboto> safe
[03:25] <Beta> Arg, it didn't work. Hm. I'll just wait untill Final release, then I'll re-install and free up the space.
[03:25] <mister_roboto> Beta: what didn't work?
[03:26] <|rt|> hey guys how can you tell if your wireless driver supports wpa?
[03:26] <mister_roboto> Beta: you will almost certainly have to be root for most of them (use sudo)
[03:26] <Beta> Yeah, said I don't have permission right now. Seeing as final release is rather soon, I'll just live with it.
[03:27] <mister_roboto> Beta: you might also try "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[03:27] <Beta> What's that do?
[03:27] <mister_roboto> Beta: that will remove packages that were installed as dependencies at one time but are no longer needed
[03:28] <mister_roboto> Beta: you can read about it in the man page (man apt-get)
[03:28] <ferret_0568> Is Feisty going to be released on schedule?
[03:29] <Beta> Likely not.
[03:29] <ferret_0568> The banner above login has changed to Ubuntu 7.04, without development branch
[03:29] <Beta> Ok, that freed up a little space.
[03:30] <ferret_0568> No development branch listed
[03:30] <ferret_0568> When it gets released, do you think I should reinstall, or just upgrade?
[03:30] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: upgrade from edgy worked fine
[03:31] <Ax3>  hey guys, i installed FreeNX as per the community ubuntu documentation at ubuntu.com, and when i try to login i get an error: "NX Server Disabled"
[03:31] <ferret_0568> Yeah, but that's a stable release
[03:31] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: why not try upgrade? you can always fall back to an install
[03:31] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: whqat you upgrading from?
[03:31] <ferret_0568> ok
[03:31] <ferret_0568> Feisty Development Branch to Feisty Release
[03:32] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: just get into the habit of having your /home on a separate partition :)
[03:32] <ferret_0568> I already have
[03:32] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: you're good to go then
[03:33] <ferret_0568> What is your GTK theme's primary color?
[03:33] <ferret_0568> Silver/Gray?
[03:33] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: kde here (QT)
[03:34] <ferret_0568> Oh
[03:34] <ferret_0568> nvm
[03:34] <ferret_0568> I liked KDE, except BasKet wasn't working...I need that
[03:35] <ferret_0568> I need it so I can take Java Programming Language notes
[03:35] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: i could never get used to gnome. seemed like it was harder to tweak the interface. so i just stick with kde
[03:35] <ferret_0568> Tomboy Notes on GNOME works better than BasKet
[03:35] <ferret_0568> If the BasKet version in Feisty in new or very recent, I'll try KDE again
[03:36] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: i just use knotes for quick sticky notes stuff. have a moinmoin wiki for other, more serious notes.   i don't even know what basket is
[03:36] <ferret_0568> It is harder to tweak the interface in GNOME
[03:36] <ferret_0568> knotes isn't what I was looking for
[03:36] <ferret_0568> nor a wiki
[03:37] <ferret_0568> knotes looks like real sticky notes, I don't like that, it's not fit for my application
[03:37] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: you a student?  i used to program java for a living.  don't code much any more
[03:38] <ferret_0568> Yeah, I'm a student
[03:38] <ferret_0568> Not in college though
[03:38] <|rt|> is there an easy way to tell if a wireless driver does or doesn't support wpa?
[03:39] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: mainframer?
[03:39] <ferret_0568> No
[03:39] <ferret_0568> I run a web server, but that's it
[03:39] <|rt|> Under network settings I only have WEP options for wireless security
[03:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> any gnome users have problems with auto-mounting CDs?
[03:39] <ferret_0568> That's easy to fix
[03:40] <mister_roboto> ferret_0568: well, have fun with it :)
[03:40] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> (i don't use Feisty yet, but a friend told me of an 'issue' with Gnome not auto-mounting CDs)
[03:40] <Shaddox> I automount fine
[03:40] <Shaddox> I think ^^
[03:40] <ferret_0568> System > Preferences > Removable something
[03:42] <ferret_0568> Under "Removable Storage", you have to check all the boxes except for "Auto-open files..." and "Browse removable media when inserted"
[03:49] <ferret_0568> Grrr...:
[03:49] <ferret_0568> travis@ubuntulaptop:/var/log$ sudo echo '---START OF KDE PACKAGE INSTALLATION---' >> dpkg.log
[03:49] <ferret_0568> Why is this not working?
[03:50] <Amaranth> ferret_0568: because the echo is being run with sudo put the pipe isn't
[03:50] <ferret_0568> Oh
[03:50] <Amaranth> either run sudo bash first or run sudo sh -c "echo "message" >> dpkg.log"
[03:51] <ferret_0568> Thanks
[03:51] <Amaranth> err, but with different quotes because that won't work :)
[03:51] <ferret_0568> I know
[03:51] <clever_> Amaranth: yeah double quoting
[03:51] <LoneShadow> do I have to report failure of upgrade from edgy to feisty because of irc-hybrid package ?
[03:51] <clever_> Amaranth: also i perfer sudo -i to get a shell
[03:51] <Amaranth> clever_: depends on what i'm doing
[03:51] <clever_> ahh
[03:51] <clever_> i use sudo -i for long term root usage
[03:52] <clever_> i also have 2 root windows open thru screen on 1 server
[03:52] <clever_> one for lvm admin and another for resize2fs after the 1st changed the lv size
[03:53] <ferret_0568> travis@ubuntulaptop:/var/log$ sudo sh -c echo '---START OF KDE PACKAGE INSTALLATION---' >> /var/log/dpkg.log
[03:53] <ferret_0568> bash: /var/log/dpkg.log: Permission denied
[03:53] <clever_> the >> part wasnt part of the whole quoting
[03:53] <Amaranth> sudo sh -c "echo 'foo' >> /var/log/dpkg.log"
[03:53] <clever_> so the bash running under travis tryed to open that log file
[03:53] <clever_> also ive seen stuff using tee
[03:54] <clever_> echo '............' | sudo tee /var/log/dpkg.log
[03:54] <clever_> that would work just as well
[03:54] <Amaranth> no
[03:54] <clever_> Amaranth: why not?
[03:54] <clever_> wait tee needs an extra append option
[03:54] <clever_> or it will whipe the log first
[03:54] <Amaranth> echo 'foo' | sudo tee -a /var/log/dpkg.log
[03:54] <clever_> yeah
[03:54] <ferret_0568> I'll try the tee way 'tee -a'
[03:55] <ferret_0568> that worked
[03:55] <clever_> To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".
[03:55] <clever_> See "man sudo_root" for details.
[03:56] <Ax3> NX> 202 Authenticating user: nx
[03:56] <Ax3> NX> 208 Using auth method: publickey
[03:56] <Ax3> NX> 204 Authentication failed.
[03:56] <clever_> that man page explains that tee option
[03:56] <Ax3> help!
[03:56] <misfit-toy> Ax3, freenx takes some configuration, please read all the docs first.
[03:57] <Ax3> i did :S
[03:58] <BluesKaj> what's the advantage of  /home on a seperate partition ?
[03:59] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, you can blow away the OS and still have /home there
[03:59] <Smerity> !xgl
[03:59] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:00] <BluesKaj> misfit-toy, guess it's too late to make another,now that it's installed on this partition
[04:01] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, you can move it :)
[04:02] <misfit-toy> BluesKaj, using LVM?
[04:02] <BluesKaj> LVM ?
[04:03] <misfit-toy> logical volume mgr
[04:03] <misfit-toy> the default for ubuntu
[04:04] <misfit-toy> some people don't so I thought I'd ask.
[04:04] <misfit-toy> you might want to read this: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/
[04:04] <BluesKaj> ok, thx misfit-toy ...checking it out
[04:05] <misfit-toy> grooovayyyy
[04:07] <Smerity> Hard ask - what's the cleanest way to install XGL/AIGLX etc? I just want one which doesn't require way too much fuss
[04:08] <misfit-toy> Smerity, I will send you the one link that made most sense to me, but there are hundreds, still this one made most sense, but only if you have nvidia?
[04:08] <Smerity> misfit-toy, Nvidia I do have - and thanks ^_^
[04:09] <crdlb> Smerity, nvidia waht?
[04:09] <crdlb> what*
[04:09] <Smerity> crdlb, I assume he means an Nvidia card + using Nvidia binary driver
[04:09] <misfit-toy> Smerity, http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/06/install-beryl-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-aiglx-for-nvidia-ubuntu-704/
[04:10] <Smerity> misfit-toy, excellent mate - will run through it now - thanks ^_^
[04:10] <misfit-toy> and Smerity on the section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable", you may have to take that out, depends on your card...
[04:11] <misfit-toy> also Smerity I have my xorg.conf which you can tweak if you want me to post it...just let me know.
[04:11] <crdlb> Smerity, I was asking what nvidia card do you have?
[04:11] <misfit-toy> crdlb, was a big help
[04:11] <misfit-toy> as was RAOF, who appears to be offline atm.
[04:11] <Smerity> crdlb, from memory only like a 6600, but with 256MB of DDR3
[04:11] <Smerity> Think it was 6600 at least ... hmmz.
[04:12] <ferret_0568> That'll run Beryl good
[04:12] <crdlb> Smerity, it's actually like a three-step process, most of that guide doesn't apply anymore or is unncessarily complicated
[04:12] <Smerity> Yeps, 6600
[04:12] <ferret_0568> I can give you tips to speed Beryl up
[04:13] <ferret_0568> I have a NVIDIA GeForce 4, so I don't use Beryl much
[04:13] <misfit-toy> ferret_0568, same here
[04:13] <misfit-toy> ferret_0568, but by god I got it working! lol
[04:13] <Smerity> lol
[04:14] <ferret_0568> Is Feisty's NVIDIA module the latest?
[04:14] <crdlb> Smerity, the most important points are to install nvidia-glx-new (that'll get you version 9755), and that beryl is in universe now
[04:14] <misfit-toy> the cool thing is that some of those settings for beryl actually speed up an old nvidia card anyway with all the new xorg and nvidia drivers, so I am happy without beryl but faster vid.
[04:14] <ferret_0568> I was dumb, and installed the official NVIDIA module
[04:14] <ferret_0568> How do I get the official Xorg files back?
[04:14] <crdlb> Smerity, and you can set up your xorg.conf with: sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[04:15] <Smerity> crdlb, thanks mate - didn't even know of nvidia-glx-new
[04:15] <misfit-toy> Smerity, just listen to crdlb and forget the link I sent you, it really only helps us guys with older nvidia cards.
[04:15] <ferret_0568> What link?
[04:15] <crdlb> ferret_0568, first you need to uninstall it
[04:16] <Smerity> misfit-toy, fair enough =] 
[04:16] <ferret_0568> Can you give me a guide?
[04:17] <ferret_0568> A txt file on some web server somewhere?
[04:17] <crdlb> ferret_0568, http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy#HOW_TO_UNINSTALL_THE_DRIVER_.28FROM_METHOD_2.29
[04:17] <Smerity> crdlb, should I add "Option XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" ?
[04:18] <crdlb> Smerity, no it's not needed
[04:18] <crdlb> the only thing you need to do with your xorg.conf is run that command I posted
[04:18] <Smerity> Ah ok
[04:19] <ferret_0568> Thanks
[04:19] <ferret_0568> I'm going to put that link on my web server for later reading
[04:19] <misfit-toy> crdlb, be aware that that is only true with newer cards, my older card required the 	Option		"XAANoOffscreenPixmaps"
[04:19] <misfit-toy> 	Option		"AllowGLXWithComposite"		"True"
[04:20] <crdlb> yeah the older nvidia drivers required a lot more
[04:21] <misfit-toy> yep, and I have the xorg.conf to prove it, anybody wants it I will send it.
[04:21] <misfit-toy> took forever.
[04:21] <misfit-toy> in fact, I'm going to test something right now....just thought about it...biab, and a smoke break too.
[04:21] <Smerity> Cool, apting xserver-xgl beryl-ubuntu atm
[04:22] <misfit-toy> thanks crdlb for all your help in the past.
[04:22] <crdlb> Smerity, no need for xgl
[04:22] <crdlb> np
[04:22] <Smerity> Oh right lol
[04:22] <crdlb> what is beryl-ubuntu?
[04:22] <Smerity> It's on there now anyway
[04:23] <Smerity> beryl, beryl-core, *plugins etc etc - I think it's just a generic conglomerate package
[04:23] <crdlb> !info beryl-ubuntu
[04:23] <ubotu> beryl-ubuntu: Simplified Plugin and configuration tool - Beryl Project. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1+git20070318-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[04:24] <misfit_toy> crdlb, yup, if I leave out the XANNOffScreenPixmaps, I can see a speed diff...
[04:24] <Smerity> brb, restarting X - thanks for your help so far crdlb and misfit_toy =] 
[04:24] <crdlb> misfit_toy, it's slower w/o ?
[04:25] <misfit_toy> crdlb, yes
[04:25] <crdlb> well I know that compiz doesn't need that line at all anymore
[04:25] <misfit_toy> crdlb, you have to remember, this card has only 32MB, and every tweak makes a diff.
[04:26] <misfit_toy> crdlb, I'm just talking about regular use, no beryl or compiz
[04:26] <misfit_toy> crdlb, let me test beryl with and without real quick
[04:29] <Comrade-Sergei> its still going
[04:32] <boris55> hello
[04:33] <reiki> ok... how do I change a volume name as seen in Places?
[04:33] <Comrade-Sergei> still going!
[04:33] <misfit_toy> crdlb, yeah, without that "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "True" there is a huge slowdown
[04:34] <crdlb> misfit_toy, what about with compiz?
[04:34] <derek_> Hi
[04:34] <misfit_toy> but this is a ancient laptop
[04:34] <ferret_0568> Opps
[04:34] <boris55> is there going to be a fiesty release candidate?
[04:34] <ferret_0568> I'll need to add that option back
[04:34] <jpsamara> this option does anti aliasing by software?
[04:34] <misfit_toy> crdlb, with compiz it's the same either way, it appears to be needed for beryl.
[04:34] <derek_> I installed fglrx-control through apt-get, but when I try to run it "fglrx-control", I get: bash: Command not found
[04:34] <misfit_toy> crdlb, but remember this is an OLD nvidia card, I don't want people to read this and change their xorg
[04:35] <crdlb> misfit_toy, I've heard that option has undesirable side-effects (which is why it isn't in by default and why compiz was fixed not to need it)
[04:35] <crdlb> I have no idea what those are though
[04:36] <crdlb> derek_, what video card?
[04:36] <derek_> ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
[04:37] <ferret_0568> What "undesirable side-effects?"
[04:37] <derek_> fglrx is working
[04:37] <crdlb> !info fglrx-control
[04:37] <ubotu> fglrx-control: Control panel for the ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 8.34.8+2.6.20.5-15.20 (feisty), package size 75 kB, installed size 344 kB
[04:37] <crdlb> !find /usr/bin/fglrx-control
[04:37] <reiki> ok... how do I change a volume name as seen in Places? tune2fs does not seem to work, neither does e2label
[04:37] <ubotu> Package/file /usr/bin/fglrx-control does not exist in feisty
[04:37] <atselby> can anyone tell me where theres an option to have windows automatically stay in their respectieve workspaces/
[04:37] <boris55> is there going to be a feisty RC?
[04:38] <ferret_0568> I dunno
[04:38] <derek_> does not exist in feisty??
[04:38] <ferret_0568> All I know is, Feisty is great right now
[04:38] <ferret_0568> It's very stable
[04:38] <boris55> reading the previews.
[04:38] <Ashbringer> Hello, network manager killed my sound. How do I reactivate the PCI interrupt?
[04:38] <philwyett> boris55: There is a release candidate iso's https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-April/000734.html
[04:38] <atselby> ferret_0568: i agree, save the kernel problem yesterday, its been working perfect.
[04:38] <boris55> are the server and client going to be two different distros?
[04:39] <atselby> philwyett: the beta will just upgrade toe the RC right/
[04:39] <derek_> crdlb, ?
[04:39] <crdlb> derek_, run fireglcontrol
[04:39] <beg1689> just different default packages
[04:39] <philwyett> atselby: Yes, but testing the release iso's clean is a good idea.
[04:39] <boris55> lamp preinstalled is sweet.
[04:39] <atselby> philwyett: i dont have a second machine to test it on so i cant... otherwise i would though.
[04:40] <derek_> crdlb, cool. how did you find that ?
[04:40] <crdlb> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=fglrx-control&version=feisty&arch=i386
[04:40] <derek_> crdlb, I thought all packages ran by their name
[04:40] <philwyett> atselby: No problem. As I can see the RC is very much like the beta in most ways and suffers from the same issues.
[04:40] <crdlb> derek_, no they run by whatever the binary happens to be called
[04:40] <atselby> philwyett: finals still on schedule right?
[04:41] <jpsamara> I still hope for 19th thought
[04:41] <philwyett> atselby: Yes, release on Thursday
[04:41] <derek_> I have an external monitor set up. But when it is not plugged in, the firefox window opens outside the scope of the primary monitor. And I cannot access it. Any way to bring it here?
[04:41] <Ashbringer> I'm serious people, Network Manager killed my sound, and I have the logs to rove it
[04:41] <atselby> philwyett: great then, as long as there's nothing that's really horrible Feisty should be near perfect.
[04:41] <atselby> on another subject.. Anyone here ever found a good bluetooth package/
[04:42] <ferret_0568> It's so close to release, the development release banner has been removed above the login program
[04:42] <jpsamara> Ashbringer: network-manager is evil I believe in you
[04:42] <derek_> crdlb, ok
[04:42] <Ashbringer> jpsamara: Do you know how I can get the PCI interrupt back?
[04:42] <ferret_0568> NetworkManager works fine on my computer
[04:42] <Ashbringer> ferret_0568: just wait...
[04:43] <philwyett> atselby: It is very good as can be seen by the beta. The only real annoyance is the timezone mess up during install that is timestamping the hdd wrong and forcing a fsck at restart. :-(
[04:43] <ferret_0568> All through Edgy and Feisty
[04:43] <jpsamara> Ashbringer: reboot doesn't work for you?
[04:43] <ferret_0568> I got my wireless card while Feisty was in development
[04:43] <ferret_0568> While I was still using Edgy
[04:43] <atselby> philwyett: i didnt do a fresh install so i hadn't heard of that... i know i didnt see any problems in the upgrade that were caused by the upgrade itself. the only problem was on my end. XD
[04:43] <ferret_0568> brb
[04:44] <ferret_0568> Going into KDE
[04:45] <philwyett> atselby: I'm not a big fan of version to version upgrades and will only release do them when moving from a current release into the development toolchain for the next release.
[04:46] <Ashbringer> jpsamara: it works when I reboot
[04:47] <atselby> philwyett: Well so far they've gone pretty smoothly. I figure theres two reasons to do it: Someone has to in beta, and I dont want to mess with lots of backups.
[04:47] <Ashbringer> jpsamara: I just want to bring back the interrupt while I'm still booted
[04:47] <jpsamara> Even though I could dist upgrade to feisty I will format and start from a cleanslate
[04:47] <jpsamara> Ashbringer: cant help ya then... I dunno
[04:48] <Ashbringer> jpsamara: okay, thanks anyway
[04:48] <dfgas> i have a laptop with  geforce 6100 go  and my brightness controls don't work.... FN+ up or down.      how do i fix this?
[04:49] <ferret_0567_> ok, I'm back
[04:49] <derek_> dfgas, what is up or down? arrow keys? For me it is Fn + F7 or F8
[04:49] <derek_> wb
[04:49] <dfgas> arrow yah
[05:00] <Naddiseo> how do I eject a cd via command line?
[05:00] <crdlb> Naddiseo, eject
[05:00] <Naddiseo> It wont
[05:01] <Naddiseo> The light just keeps flashes
[05:01] <Naddiseo> flashing*
[05:01] <crdlb> is it mounted?
[05:01] <Naddiseo> It wont mount either
[05:01] <Naddiseo> no
[05:04] <Naddiseo> crdlb, When I click eject, it tells me there's no media mounted
[05:04] <crdlb> Naddiseo, I meant type it
[05:04] <Naddiseo> which seems illogical... because I didn't mount it yet.
[05:05] <cblack0> so, I need a quick adept/apt tip: how do I JUST update all ALREADY INSTALLED packages to the newer versions
[05:05] <crdlb> cblack0, sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:06] <crdlb> only dist-upgrade installs new packages iirc
[05:06] <cblack0> crdlb: what do I check in adept to do that?
[05:06] <cblack0> "Full Upgrade"?
[05:06] <crdlb> prolly not
[05:06] <crdlb> but I have no idea
[05:06] <Naddiseo> crdlb, eject -sv just hangs
[05:10] <clever> what would cause this error?
[05:10] <clever> The following packages have been kept back: linux-386 linux-headers-generic linux-image-386 linux-restricted-modules-386 nfs-common
[05:10] <Naddiseo> you need to dist-upgrade for those don't you?
[05:11] <|rt|> clever: you can just do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:11] <clever> allready done it a few times
[05:11] <Beta> Sensor aplet is working under Feisty, right?
[05:11] <crdlb> clever, are you using -386?
[05:11] <clever> odd now its somewhat fixing it
[05:11] <clever> yeah pentium 3
[05:11] <crdlb> as in not -generic?
[05:11] <clever> but its still doing this
[05:11] <clever> The following packages have been kept back: nfs-common
[05:11] <crdlb> you should still use generic
[05:12] <clever> ?
[05:12] <crdlb> linux-image-generic
[05:13] <clever> i think its allways been showing 386 on me
[05:15] <clever> linux-image-generic installing...
[05:16] <clever> and my X server either has a mem leak or its memory space is getting fragmented
[05:18] <zYe_> help configuring my 7 button mouse
[05:18] <joshjosh> 7 buttons? one for each finger?
[05:18] <clever> how many fingers?:P
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> !mouse
[05:19] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[05:19] <clever> most i have on a mouse is 7 counting wheel up and down and click as buttons
[05:19] <clever> 2 left 2 right wheel up/down/click
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> anyone know how i can remedy this?: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/69208
[05:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 69208 in Ubuntu "Bug #42299 survives on upgrade from Dapper Drake to Edgy (dup-of: 42299)" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[05:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 42299 in update-manager "No /etc/mkinitramfs/conf.d/resume after ubiquity installation" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> nevermind
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> the answer is there
[05:20] <clever> lol
[05:23] <misfit_toy> !botsnack
[05:23] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:23] <clever> lol
[05:24] <joshjosh> Is Feisty still on schedule for the 19th? I know RC got pushed back...
[05:25] <clever> my wireless has become unstable since i upgraded to 7.04
[05:25] <zYe_> i still need help configuring my mouse, i have tried many different setups and they are still giving me trouble
[05:26] <clever> at first it just plain didnt work(module was black listed:P)
[05:26] <bullgard4> After one of the last upgrades my Feisty shows all tooltips with a gray background color. Is this an error or intended?
[05:26] <zYe_> O_o
[05:27] <seamus7> Why would my feisty desktop cd freeze on boot up ... i get messages like "initializing gfx mode" and something about static memory malloc 1, 2, 3, etc..... ???
[05:29] <joshjosh> seamus7, are you booting with any commands/
[05:29] <seamus7> not that i'm aware
[05:31] <misfit_toy> seamus7, there is a memtest option on boot, you might try that
[05:32] <seamus7> misfit_toy: my system boots perfectly into edgy or vista but when i try to boot up a feisty desktop cd .. i get the messages above ... so you think i might have a problem with my memory?
[05:32] <misfit_toy> seamus7, not after you saying that I don't
[05:32] <joshjosh> seamus7, boot with noapic nolapic and see if that works
[05:33] <Dr_willis> ive had systems with bad memory that would boot windows.. but memtest found bad 'things'
[05:33] <seamus7> joshjosh: how?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> not that windows would run very long. :) but it crashed so much anyway.. i dident notice much differance.
[05:33] <seamus7> joshjosh: do i go to a command line from grub ??
[05:33] <joshjosh> when you egt the start or install screen, press F6 and add noapic nolapic to the end of it
[05:33] <joshjosh> end of that line
[05:35] <seamus7> joshjosh: oops sorry ... i wasn't clear ... i don't even get to a start or install screen ... it's a text screen that says something like "linuxos debian 3.1" at the top and then the "initializing gfx mode" and "static memory" messages below.
[05:35] <seamus7> then it freezes
[05:35] <clever> Dr_willis: i had bad ram acording to memtest and it made winblows bluescreen after a few days
[05:35] <clever> Dr_willis: i moved the ram chip to the 2nd socket and it went away
[05:35] <joshjosh> seamus7, hmm...
[05:35] <seamus7> i've checked the iso image md5sum
[05:35] <clever> Dr_willis: moving back to the 1st socket and it didnt come back
[05:35] <Dr_willis> clever,  yep. been there done that.. had a bad socket also.. may of been dirt..
[05:36] <zYe_> could someone please help me fix this mouse
[05:36] <zYe_> please
[05:36] <Dr_willis> or corrision
[05:36] <clever> Dr_willis: yeah might have been dirt on mine since just moving the chip fixed it
[05:36] <clever> able to get 2week+ uptimes on there now with xp
[05:36] <misfit_toy> furballs
[05:36] <Dr_willis> clever,  its amazing how FILTHY the insides of a PC can get.
[05:36] <clever> aslong as xp doesnt install and update and reboot itself without warning
[05:36] <clever> Dr_willis: yeah
[05:36] <clever> Dr_willis: also my laptop
[05:37] <clever> Dr_willis: filled with hair and bits of food
[05:37] <Dr_willis> dead mice is always nice to find.
[05:37] <misfit_toy> and snakes@
[05:37] <Dr_willis> I have Pomerianians.. i find like.. whole dogs in my pc's :)
[05:37] <zYe_> so no one here uses any mouse configurations on feisty?
[05:37] <clever> i pulled all the keys off my keyboard and got a small vile worth of hair balls out of it
[05:37] <zYe_> wow
[05:37] <Dr_willis> zYe_,  clarify the issue perhaps. Ive had no issues with my mice ever with any of the ubuntus
[05:37] <`sam`> clever, did you actually put them in a vile?
[05:38] <misfit_toy> zYe_, no mice special sutff...what kind of mouse?
[05:38] <seamus7> i've downloaded a feisty alternate cd .. i think i'll burn it and try using it
[05:38] <clever> i was putting all the hair and clumps of dirt into a plastic vile
[05:38] <clever> made a fair sized lump
[05:38] <zYe_> optical intellimouse
[05:38] <clever> zYe_: wireless?
[05:38] <zYe_> no
[05:38] <clever> ahh sounded like my 7button one
[05:39] <zYe_> cleaver, it should be currently emulating 7 buttons
[05:39] <zYe_> cleaver, but at the moment the 6 and 7en are mimicking the 4,5th
[05:39] <Dr_willis> zYe_,  so the mouse 'works' but not all the buttons are doing what you want them to do?
[05:39] <clever> havent tryed using all the buttons at once on ubuntu 6.06
[05:39] <zYe_> yes
[05:39] <clever> and cant connect it to the 7.04 box
[05:40] <zYe_> it was working on edgy eft
[05:40] <Dr_willis> I recall some intensive gentoo wiki pages/docs on configurung all these multi-button mice and all the little tips/gottyas to watch out for. but the only thing i use extra buttons for is grenades and stuff in Quake3 :)
[05:40] <clever> lol
[05:40] <zYe_> thats what i am trying to do
[05:41] <zYe_> exactly
[05:41] <misfit_toy> zYe_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=171396
[05:41] <clever> ever used xev?
[05:41] <zYe_> grenades in tribes with my 6th and suicide button for 7th
[05:41] <zYe_> O_o
[05:42] <clever> the xev program will output alot of X events that come its way
[05:42] <clever> including what button/key is being pressed in it
[05:42] <clever>     state 0x0, button 3, same_screen YES
[05:42] <clever> thats from hitting the right mouse button
[05:43] <zYe_> hmmm
[05:43] <clever> left is 1 and middle is 2
[05:44] <clever> to get the click events without the flood of move ones just pick the mouse off the table when clicking
[05:45] <seamus7> once i get feisty installed .. will it update to the official release on thursday?
[05:45] <zYe_> brb going to test something
[05:46] <misfit_toy> seamus7, it will update whenever there's an update
[05:47] <misfit_toy> beta or official
[05:47] <misfit_toy> i.e. it will always stay current
[05:47] <misfit_toy> zYe_, and?
[05:48] <zYe_> now neither is working according to the intellimouse page i was linked 2
[05:48] <seamus7> misfit_toy: true ... but you're saying the rc versions will update (or become) the official release version without the need for a reinstall..
[05:48] <zYe_> -_-
[05:48] <misfit_toy> seamus7, yes
[05:48] <zYe_> arghhh
[05:48] <seamus7> mistfit_toy: thank you for confirming an obvious question :)
[05:48] <misfit_toy> zYe_, did you read the post I sent?
[05:48] <zYe_> err
[05:49] <misfit_toy> seamus7, ubuntu, gotta love it
[05:49] <Gat0rvean> seamus7, pssst, I had the same question =P, you're not alone!
[05:49] <seamus7> ;)
[05:49] <zYe_> misfit_toy, i am not sure, i just recently restarted xserver to test smoe changed to xorg i made
[05:49] <zYe_> i dont think some
[05:49] <misfit_toy> guys, thats a good a valid question.
[05:49] <Dr_willis> seamus7,  thats how its worked in the past.
[05:49] <misfit_toy> zYe_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=171396
[05:50] <misfit_toy> ^*and
[05:50] <zYe_> misfit_toy, yes, that what i was currently testing, now neither button is doing anything at all
[05:51] <seamus7> Dr_willis: great thx
[05:51] <zYe_> misfit_toy, the two side buttons were emulating the 2, and 3 buttons at first, noe they are not working....
[05:51] <misfit_toy> zYe_, so it is definitely in the xorg and there if probably a more current fix,that was just my first guess, googling.
[05:51] <zYe_> figured
[05:51] <zYe_> ive been googling......
[05:51] <zYe_> BAH!
[05:52] <misfit_toy> well now you know that you will have to tweak for your powerful mouse.
[05:52] <misfit_toy> :)
[05:52] <zYe_> -_-
[05:52] <Dr_willis> i rember in quake3 i just had to bind the greades.. and clicked the mouse button. :)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> we all need 100 button mice! :) complete keyboard on a mouse!
[05:53] <misfit_toy> once at band camp I ....
[05:53] <Dr_willis> actually i think i saw a mouse like that once..
[05:53] <zYe_> i knew a guy that played a entire game with his mouse
[05:53] <zYe_> ..
[05:54] <misfit_toy> don't *make* me click something, let me keyboard it
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Theres that one gamepad out i saw that is a complete keyboard. and its not just a gamepad+keyboard. heh ..
[05:55] <zYe_> misfit_toy, how does this sound for a 7 button emulation: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=388161
[05:55] <zYe_> i think that might fit my case...
[05:56] <misfit_toy> zYe_, that looks good
[05:56] <misfit_toy> zYe_, and remember this part:
[05:56] <misfit_toy> Quick note: If doing this on Feisty, don't accidentally let ubuntu "reformat" xorg.conf automatically. Mine did and it took me a while to figure out what was wrong.
[05:56] <Pollywog> I am doing an Edgy to Fiesty upgrade and it asks RAID questions, but I have no RAID
[05:56] <zYe_> yea well i dont know how to not let ubuntu reformat my x sometimes
[05:57] <misfit_toy> lol
[05:57] <zYe_> sometimes it just does what it wants
[05:57] <Pollywog> and I am seeing mdadm errors
[05:57] <misfit_toy> zYe_, I think you'd know if it happened....anyway, that looks good!
[05:58] <misfit_toy> only 4 weeks old, give it a shot
[06:02] <zYe_> great
[06:02] <zYe_> just great
[06:02] <zYe_> it reformated my xorg.conf
[06:02] <zYe_> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[06:03] <zYe_> well i guess i better not restart x
[06:03] <zYe_> i wonder if there is a backup laying around anywhere..
[06:03] <Pollywog> I am afraid to reboot after the upgrade
[06:04] <Pollywog> always backup xorg.conf before upgrades
[06:05] <crdlb> zYe_, what video card?
[06:06] <crdlb> and dpkg-reconfigure at least makes a backup
[06:06] <zYe_> i know
[06:06] <zYe_> :)
[06:06] <zYe_> hi crdlb
[06:06] <zYe_> its you again
[06:06] <crdlb> it's always me
[06:06] <zYe_> you always ask my videocard dont you remember? its a geforce fx 5200
[06:06] <zYe_> :P
[06:06] <crdlb> not at all :)
[06:07] <zYe_> -_-
[06:07] <zYe_> brb
[06:15] <mstrzele> hi, will pidgin (gaim >2.0.0.7) be avaible in feisty?
[06:16] <crdlb> mstrzele, no feisty will have gaim
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> mstrzele: No.  See the /topic about the RC being essentially final content.  Look for pidgin in Feisty+1
[06:16] <Shaddox> Hello everyone.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> !pidgin | mstrzele
[06:16] <ubotu> mstrzele: pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!  See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info
[06:17] <mstrzele> thx for answer
[06:17] <Shaddox> How do I execute a file named et-linux-2.60.x86.run to install a program?
[06:19] <crdlb> Shaddox, chmod +x it
[06:19] <Shaddox> Erm, hey crd. XD I almost asked you in private before coming here. XD
[06:19] <crdlb> then just ./ it
[06:19] <crdlb> it may need to be sudone
[06:19] <Shaddox> okay okay one se
[06:19] <Shaddox> sec*
[06:20] <Shaddox> sweet. :D
[06:20] <Shaddox> thanks man
[06:20] <Shaddox> i've got everything confugured now, too, i'm mostly working on my server
[06:20] <Shaddox> my only problem is my touchy wireless ^^
[06:21] <thompa> intel macbook is working very well
[06:21] <crdlb> Shaddox, try ndiswrapper
[06:21] <Shaddox> Uh, what's ndiswrapper
[06:21] <crdlb> the same thing you tried on freebsd
[06:21] <Shaddox> is it like NDIS in freebsd?
[06:21] <Shaddox> ahh
[06:22] <Shaddox> when i did that with bcmwl5.sys [windows sys/inf]  in NDIS on freebsd the kernel failed to load
[06:22] <Shaddox> and i had to remove the module
[06:22] <thompa>  touchpad in ways works much better than in osx especially in gimp
[06:22] <crdlb> well that is freebsd, and this is ubuntu :)
[06:22] <Shaddox> yeah, touchpad in gimp is fun ^^
[06:22] <Shaddox> wellll...crap...
[06:22] <Shaddox> now i need to go get my app cd. XD
[06:23] <thompa> wireless is saying its encrypted but its not
[06:23] <Shaddox> crd pal you know anything about BIND by any chance?
[06:24] <crdlb> Shaddox, absolutely nothing :)
[06:24] <thompa> now it is connected to linksys, before it said I had wireless lock
[06:24] <Shaddox> gah.
[06:24] <Shaddox> well im still trying to get my DNS working
[06:24] <Shaddox> so far i've configured my zone/named stuff, but i cant seem to get any info in the WHOIS database, so my registrar wont let me use the nameservers. ^^
[06:25] <thompa> desktop effects needs a help section
[06:25] <thompa> on macbook it does not work, but beryl seems fine.
[06:25] <crdlb> thompa, it has an intel card?
[06:25] <thompa> core 2duo i think
[06:26] <crdlb> the video card
[06:26] <thompa> latest macbook
[06:26] <crdlb> intel should work fine with either beryl or compiz out of the box
[06:26] <thompa> but im not used to mac, i got everything working here, maybe battery life no so good
[06:26] <thompa> compiz no cube
[06:27] <crdlb> thompa, but wobbly works?
[06:27] <thompa> before the last kernel update there was cube function, now its gone
[06:27] <thompa> yes
[06:27] <crdlb> install gnome-compiz-manager and use that to configure it
[06:27] <thompa> before was ctrl alt arrow
[06:27] <GluE> i had the same problem on my amd / geforce4, wobbly but no cube anymore
[06:27] <thompa> also filmstrip view
[06:28] <DanaG> I found a surefire way to torture PulseAudio:
[06:28] <thompa> so i have to use beryl or keymap something
[06:28] <DanaG> Have it register itself as the BEEP,
[06:28] <DanaG> and then feed it a bunch of them in rapid succession.
[06:28] <Shaddox> crdlb: I'll need your help with NDISwrapper, send me a private. ^^
[06:28] <DanaG> Bonus points if you have Beryl set to bounce on beep.
[06:29] <thompa> crdlb: ubuntu is running way better than mac right now. i punished the osx partition to stripped 2.4G
[06:29] <thompa> the default is like 15 G
[06:30] <thompa> peace of krp
[06:30] <thompa> the language files for macbook alone are like 5G i think
[06:31] <thompa> i think it steals space so you got to buy extra i pod stuff
[06:31] <Shaddox> i want a macbook D=
[06:31] <Shaddox> i want to try mac os x ^^
[06:31] <thompa> you can have mine
[06:31] <Shaddox> haha sure
[06:31] <Shaddox> anythings better then my piece of crap damaged HP lappy XD
[06:31] <thompa> hp sucks dude
[06:31] <Shaddox> yeah
[06:32] <Shaddox> i didn't know that back in last march. ^^
[06:32] <thompa> i got one hp no bios lol
[06:32] <Shaddox> my hp is damaged
[06:32] <thompa> i think thats illegal last i checked
[06:32] <Shaddox> i dont know computer laws
[06:33] <Shaddox> or i just dont care, lol
[06:33] <thompa> but vista boots fine, the sata and nvidia controller dont work
[06:33] <Shaddox> im trying to save parts to build me a good machine, ^^
[06:33] <Shaddox> save money to buy parts to build, i mean, lol
[06:33] <Shaddox> i want one i can have three hard disks on, one for linux/unix, one for mac, and one for windows
[06:33] <thompa> Shaddox: most vendors it seems are trying to lock you in, thats normal
[06:34] <Shaddox> so no matter what games i wanna play, i can play it no hassle or anything
[06:34] <Shaddox> with windows i lag a lot, linux i have trouble with my windows-only stuff, and i havent seen mac since old 6.9 XD
[06:34] <thompa> Shaddox: its so obvious with mac book though, i ran out of space in osx and had 20g to start
[06:35] <Shaddox> yeah
[06:35] <Shaddox> i have a good hard disk in mine
[06:35] <thompa> also i did not ask it to copy music files
[06:35] <Shaddox> but the processor is succeptible to heat
[06:35] <Shaddox> and likes to drop to 239MHz at random now
[06:35] <thompa> i have my main is x2 processor, built in wireless
[06:35] <Shaddox> yeah
[06:36] <thompa> its working good
[06:36] <Shaddox> i want to put wireless net in my box as i build it
[06:36] <Shaddox> the hard part is being extremely poor XD
[06:36] <Shaddox> what little money i do make i have to pay all my other crap with
[06:36] <thompa> Shaddox: i need to figure out how to use it as a wireless lan, I think my router is broke, it had voip on it
[06:36] <Shaddox> ah
[06:37] <crdlb> thompa, did you get what I said about fixing compiz?
[06:37] <Shaddox> well i have a wireless router myself
[06:37] <thompa> crdlb: no sorry mate
 thompa, gconftool-2 -g /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/hsize
 run that
 if it doesn't return 4, that's your problem
[06:37] <Shaddox> crdlb: I got the windows bcm drivers now, how do i do ndiswrapper?
[06:38] <thompa> cool my touchpad works with right click , 3 or more fingers
[06:38] <thompa> i got 1
[06:39] <crdlb> open gconf-editor and set it to 4
[06:39] <thompa> im not in compiz just a sec
[06:39] <crdlb> number_of_desktops should be 1
[06:39] <crdlb> thompa, you don't need to be in compiz to fix this
[06:39] <thompa> now i am , was in beryl
[06:40] <thompa> well i got 1
[06:41] <thompa> just a sec
[06:45] <xipietotec> okay....I just installed wordpress from the repositories....how do I run it?
[06:46] <Shaddox> xipietotec: Did you use the "Add/Remove..." option?
[06:46] <xipietotec> Shaddox: no, I used aptitude
[06:47] <Shaddox> Oh, then I dunno. Sorry, ^^
[06:51] <DanaG> while (true) ; do echo -e \\a ; done
[06:51] <DanaG> yay, watch the window go bouncy-crazy.
[06:51] <DanaG> (in console, or you'll be unable to ctrl-c it.)
[06:57] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I see what programs are using sound to end them to make my OSS driver work for a Quake3 engine game?
[06:58] <thompa> it has 4 in the file but it does not wfile:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.htmlork
[07:01] <micahcowan> Shaddox, a quick-n-dirty method might be to "killall esd", and then after you're done with the game, do an "esd &", possibly followed immediately with "disown %".
[07:02] <Shaddox> micahcowan: Erm...I have no idea what any of that means.
[07:03] <RawSewage> whats the latest word on Feisty Final release date
[07:03] <micahcowan> Shaddox, you'd need to type those into a terminal ("Applications" -> "Accessories" -> "Terminal").
[07:03] <Shaddox> I did the killall esd, but the sound is still screwed.
[07:03] <crdlb> RawSewage, it should be on time
[07:03] <RawSewage> good
[07:03] <Shaddox> Ugh, why does Quake3 engine have to use old OSS, >.<
[07:03] <micahcowan> RawSewage, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn (not necessarily authoritative), still 19th
[07:03] <RawSewage> no official RC this time then?
[07:03] <micahcowan> Shaddox, screwed how?
[07:04] <micahcowan> And, just to be sure: Quake3, not Quake4 engine?
[07:04] <crdlb> Shaddox, are you still using aoss?
[07:04] <Shaddox> micahcowan: Yes, definately Quake 3. I've got Q3-Q4 engines both on here, but Q4 won't run on my laptop anyways. ^^
[07:04] <Shaddox> crdlb: I am, but the sound is still doing the same effects as the first time we tried it.
[07:05] <RawSewage> I do a complete reformat each release
[07:05] <Shaddox> micahcowan: Sound doesn't play at all when in the intro movie, and when I enter the main menu, the sound comes out in very low staticy bursts.
[07:06] <micahcowan> Shaddox, fiddling with "export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=<something>" before launching the game from the terminal, is sometimes helpful. I had similar troubles in Quake4. <something> can be things such as dsp, alsa...
[07:08] <micahcowan> http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDL_5fenvvars lists others.
[07:08] <Shaddox> micahcowan: Erm...what's all that mean?
[07:09] <micahcowan> All the web page? Never mind: just skip down to the SDL_AUDIODRIVER bit for other values you could plug into "export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=<something>".
[07:09] <micahcowan> Then you need to try to run the game from the same terminal you just typed the "export" command into.
[07:09] <crdlb> that works for the q3 engine?
[07:10] <micahcowan> crdlb, I'm fairly sure q3 uses SDL for sound, though I could be wrong. No guarantees, at any rate :)
[07:10] <Shaddox> micahcowan: What driver would I have to use for Quake 3 engine?
[07:11] <micahcowan> Shaddox, you'll need to experiment. I'd try: dsp, dma, alsa, ... the rest don't look useful.
[07:11] <Shaddox> Well, I was playing in my sound config thingy, and ALSA worked, so did ESD. but im not sure which one would be best ^^
[07:12] <micahcowan> You didn't run that "esd &" command, did you? (don't)
[07:12] <Shaddox> No
[07:13] <Shaddox> I ran killall esd
[07:13] <Shaddox> then also et
[07:13] <Shaddox> and it still didn't work, sound-wise
[07:13] <Shaddox> framerate is normal cause i added the ati restricted driver
[07:13] <micahcowan> ESD must default to alsa when esd isn't running, then (I think that's correct: I know it falls back to oss at some point)).
[07:13] <micahcowan> You'll probably want to bring esd back up ("esd & disown %") at some point when you're done, just FYI.
[07:14] <crdlb> it seems quake3 doesn't because there's tons of hacks on the interwebs about getting sound working in q3 with alsa
[07:14] <micahcowan> Otherwise, only one program can use sound at a time :/
[07:14] <crdlb> I just use alsa + dmix
[07:14] <crdlb> I never liked esd
[07:15] <micahcowan> esd's a great /idea/, crappy implementation. alsa+dmix is probably a good deal more advanced.
[07:15] <Shaddox> well either way, i need the sound to work xD
[07:15] <micahcowan> Shaddox, I thought you said you got it working?
[07:15] <Shaddox> it isn't, i said i isn't. >.>
[07:15] <Shaddox> it*
[07:15] <Shaddox> how can i force this game to use ESD?
[07:16] <Shaddox> maybe ESD will work
[07:16] <Shaddox> since ALSA isn't
[07:16] <micahcowan> crdlb indicates that Quake3 possibly doesn't use SDL, in which case, I've sent you up the wrong tree...
[07:16] <Shaddox> ah crap...
[07:16] <Shaddox> well, it's only 10. ^^
[07:16] <Shaddox> i got time.
[07:16] <crdlb> it's 1 here :|
[07:17] <micahcowan> HI shirish
[07:17] <shirish> micahcowan: hi :)
[07:17] <shirish> nice to see you here
[07:17] <crdlb> here's a version of the q3 engine that supports alsa: http://ioquake3.org/
[07:17] <Shaddox> uh
[07:17] <crdlb> I don't know if you could get that working with et
[07:17] <Shaddox> but the game im running is Wolfenstein Enemy Territory
[07:17] <shirish> micahcowan: I have made a spec. perhaps you can look at it
[07:18] <Shaddox> cause ET's anticheat is very touchy too
[07:18] <micahcowan> Sure: I'm going to be afk for a bit, as my two-month old is apparently still hungry :/
[07:18] <Shaddox> If windows is misbehaving even the slightest bit, or it isn't exact perfect windows, you'll get kicked. X_x
[07:19] <crdlb> ah that's not going to work then
[07:19] <shirish> micahcowan: ok cool, anyway here's the URL https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apportexpanded see if this is feasible as & when
[07:20] <shirish> ok guys, does anybody know what additions are there in the DVD live than in the CD ? Any ideas anybody?
[07:20] <shirish> I have tried to find out a list of the DVD but haven't been really successful about it :(
[07:25] <micahcowan> shirish, looks good so far. Questions about the privacy bit: are you intending that apport somehow detect which parts of an app might contain private info, or are you just intending that it contain a warning to the user that it might send confidential info?
[07:28] <seamus7> hi .. i downloaded yesterday feisty desktop i386.iso  and today   feisty alternate i386.iso  ... i checked md5sum ... okay ... i burned them to cd ... but neither works ... the desktop iso freezes before it even loads the startup menu .... and the alternate does nothing ... i used k3b and tried using the right-click 'write to disc' option .... but no luck???
[07:29] <seamus7> i'm not sure where my problem lies...
[07:30] <GluE> have u tried reinstalling?
[07:34] <xipietotec> I installed wordpress from the repositories.....and now its no where to be found?
[07:34] <seamus7> Which directory holds the standard 32bit feisty release candidate desktop cd image? at the link above?
[07:39] <phrizek> does anyone know if avahi support will be compiled into gaim anytime soon?
[07:41] <vega-> xipietotec: /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian usually gives a clue
[07:41] <vega-> or README*
[07:42] <xipietotec> I found it....I have no idea how to set this up though, heh
[07:44] <vega-> xipietotec: don't remember, i installed wordpress on debian maybe a year ago, iirc it was quite simple
[07:45] <xipietotec> what I mean...is I've never used mysql or anything....and I need to make a sql database....and I have no idea how to do that
[07:49] <odat> is the nvidia 9631 driver working yet?
[07:50] <shirish> micahcowan: sorry had to go to bathroom (emergency call) hence didn't read that, yes my intention is both , it should give user a warning that it might send confidential info. As an e.g. firefox where one does have username & passwords, similarly databases, spreadsheets etc. would all come.
[07:50] <odat> anyone here?
[07:51] <odat> is the nvidia 9631 driver working yet?
[07:51] <crdlb> odat, it's supposed to be
[07:51] <crdlb> what error are you getting?
[07:52] <micahcowan> shirish, I don't believe the automatic-detection bit will be particularly feasible... if done, it could never be a /guarantee/ that it wasn't sending confidential info, and it would have to have an app-by-app database detailing what memory segments were offlimit... very likely impractical.
[07:52] <shirish> micahcowan: also over period of time apport should become intelligent enough to dissect part of what should be used & not use unless explciitly attached by user.
[07:52] <micahcowan> shirish, what's meant by the FTP stuff?
[07:52] <crdlb> odat, and what is the name of your card?
[07:52] <shirish> micahcowan: ok hold on a moment
[07:52] <odat> crdlb, a geforce2 GTS/Pro
[07:53] <crdlb> odat, oh
[07:53] <shirish> micahcowan: have u ever uploaded a file to rapidshare.com or rapidshare.de
[07:53] <crdlb> you need legacy then
[07:53] <shirish> micahcowan: or ever used the tool rapidupload just as an e.g.
[07:53] <crdlb> 9631 supports gf3 and up
[07:53] <micahcowan> shirish, never.
[07:53] <odat> crdlb, i've had a couple geforce2 cards working with a later version of nvidia drivers
[07:54] <crdlb> odat, not with anything newer than 7184
[07:54] <odat> crdlb, look at the support for 9631
[07:54] <shirish> micahcowan: ok what they do, is just opposite of a download manager+checksum . They have resuming facilities, they give upload rate, they give security in form of some sort of hash-check
[07:55] <shirish> micahcowan: not ftp clients per se, which upload data to websites but close enough.
[07:55] <vega-> anyone know if this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/79204 is going to be included in final release??
[07:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 79204 in initramfs-tools "boot on md raid drives fails (dup-of: 103177)" [Critical,Confirmed] 
[07:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 103177 in initramfs-tools "boot-time race condition initializing md" [Critical,Fix released] 
[07:55] <shirish> micahcowan: also who is sending the data is known & secured. That last part I need to write I guess.
[07:57] <crdlb> odat, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9631/README/appendix-a.html
[07:57] <micahcowan> "security" for the hash-check is probably not the terminology you want... "reliability"?
[07:57] <micahcowan> I love the resumability stuff: that's definitely a nice idea.
[07:58] <crdlb> odat, you will not find your card on the supported list
[07:58] <micahcowan> shirish, I don't think you have a use case written for the FTP stuff, and I'm still kinda vague as to what is meant by that. You should probably ditch the "FTP" terminology anyway, and describe more precisely what you really mean
[07:59] <shirish> micahcowan: hash-checking to me means it is not sending some crap. like bittorrent does, when downloading data from other users. you can trust the data while at the same time, the meta-data is checking with each packet & throws those which do not meet the criteria prompting the packet to be sent again.
[08:01] <micahcowan> Right: but security tends to have connotations of "authorization" or "privacy", so I think it's a little more misleading than "reliability"; and it's too easily confused with your proposed privacy features.
[08:01] <micahcowan> shirish, I just realized we're discussing this on #ubuntu+1, which is probably not the right place. Perhaps #ubuntu-offtopic would be more appropriate, or else a private chan?
[08:02] <shirish> sure, lead ahead
[08:02] <shirish> micahcowan: either set up a private one or #off-topic both are good enough for me
[08:03] <micahcowan> Why not go to #shirish? :)
[08:03] <shirish> sure
[08:03] <shirish> micahcowan: already there
[08:05] <bill_k> hey guys, wondering if I could get help with bluetooth keyboard setup, on kubuntu feisty no mouse support either even when devices are "connected"
[08:06] <bill_k> fully updated, keyboard/ mouse working in windows.  I have 2 different usb bluetooth adapters to use, looked for guides-(read that most keyboards work by default) no luck :(
[08:06] <bill_k> I had to borrow the keyboard from the computer lab downstairs (in a college dorm) so I'd like to get it fixed tonight
[08:08] <bill_k> ping?
[08:12] <NemesisD> sup
[08:12] <NemesisD> I was wondering if migration-assistant in feisty will allow one to pick and choose what files to migrate? when it comes out I plan on installing it on a windows xp laptop (dell inspiron b130)
[08:20] <vega-> NemesisD: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigrationAssistance
[08:23] <bill_k> ping again?
[08:23] <crdlb> pong
[08:23] <bill_k> ok, thanks
[08:25] <Ademan> how might one theme Qt applications from GNOME?
[08:26] <bill_k> don't know if emerald-themer does it
[08:26] <bill_k> !emerald
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <Ademan> doubt it, that's for window borders in beryl isn't it?
[08:27] <wolfeon> heh, yeah
[08:27] <wolfeon> don't think there is a qt-gtk-engine
[08:27] <concept10> Ademan, you kan you the kde control center
[08:27] <bill_k> yea
[08:27] <concept10> *kan use
[08:28] <wolfeon> why are you using applications which use qt anyway? ;)
[08:28] <Ademan> yeah i wish there was a qt-gtk-engine
[08:28] <Ademan> lol, because esvn is written in qt
[08:28] <wolfeon> use full GTK apps, deal with non themed apps, or switch to KDE :)
[08:29] <Ademan> that's painfully restricting lol
[08:29] <wolfeon> Ademan: well shame on them for not making a correct decision ;)
[08:29] <concept10> Ademan, like I said, you can theme the apps with the kde control center, even if you use gnome
[08:29] <stork> oh damn i thought release date was the 17th :(
[08:30] <concept10> They won't have the exact look of gnome apps, but you can change them as you wish
[08:30] <Ademan> well to be honest, Gtk+ is painful as hell to code with, but gtkmm (which is the REAL competitor to Qt imho) is just about equal
[08:30] <Ademan> is it in a package by the same name?
[08:30] <wolfeon> Ademan: I wouldn't know... I just use python/ruby and gtk/or wx :/
[08:31] <Ademan> actually i'm writing a little app in pygtk right now
[08:31] <Ademan> it's nice
[08:32] <Ademan> but i'm still a newbie in python
[08:32] <Administrator> hi
[08:32] <concept10> Ademan, i dont know what its called
[08:32] <Ademan> like, i have a mysterious error regarding an else
[08:32] <Ademan> concept10: ah, ok, thanks though i'm sure a quick search will do it
[08:33] <Ademan> hi Administrator
[08:39] <fulat2k> any idea how long it usually takes for mirrors to pull the latest releases?
[08:44] <Georock> hi  ademan
[08:47] <noget> hey there, can anybody tell me a fast way to use "rm" to remove a lot of *.wav files?
[08:47] <noget> i dont want to delete the dir, just the files in it
[08:48] <DarkMageZ> noget, enter the directory which you want to remove all the .wav files from and go "rm -R ./*.wav"
[08:48] <DarkMageZ> noget, that should remove all *.wav files inside that folder and inside every folder in that folder
[08:48] <noget> ok thanks :)
[08:50] <FriedGeek> Hello. I
[08:50] <FriedGeek> I'm hoping for a bit of help.
[08:52] <shirish> guys does anybody know where one can find what extra packages are there in the DVD format of Ubuntu?
[09:13] <cypherdelic> Does anybody know, how to get Evolution connected to POP/SMTP via local Privoxy/Tor-server?
[09:15] <shirish> cypherdelic: no idea, but good idea :)
[09:19] <AnRkey> hi all
[09:20] <AnRkey> hi all
[09:21] <RAOF> hi
[09:22] <RAOF> Yo, it's the jml :)
[09:24] <jm-ill> RAOF: hi
[09:25] <RAOF> jm-ill: Still sick?  That sucks.
[09:25] <jm-ill> yeah
[09:27] <AnRkey> when did they fix the kernel?
[09:27] <RAOF> Well, I've just given a talk, so I'm actually off home now :)
[09:27] <RAOF> AnRkey: Couple of days ago?
[09:28] <AnRkey> hmm
[09:29] <AnRkey> i have been waiting for rc1 and they are just gonna do knightly iso's until thurs?
[09:29] <CarinArr> knightly.. cute;)
[09:29] <AnRkey> forgive me, fast asleep and not thinking :)
[09:30] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: see /topic
[09:30] <AnRkey> urly shaft @ wurk :T
[09:31] <AnRkey> i think i missed that announcement, must have marked it read
[09:32] <AnRkey> shit did i really say knightly!
[09:38] <Frogzoo> stoopid question - does feisty have a release date?
[09:38] <dystopianray> Frogzoo: read the topic
[09:38] <Frogzoo> dystopianray: k, thx
[09:45] <Georock> amd64
[09:55] <|NewUser|> well i m try to mount my FAT32 partition.. it is mounted fine.. but when i open that partition.. it show something.. like on each file or each folder is locked.. ? there is icon with each file and each dir.. it shows its lock.. ?
[09:55] <|NewUser|> i try to mount the like this " sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[09:57] <[miles] > good morning guys
[09:57] <zaggynl> morning
[09:58] <AnRkey> morning miles
[10:01] <xopher> morning, anyone here having problems with fuseiso?
[10:03] <vega-> acroread not in feisty anymore?
[10:04] <dystopianray> vega-: that's right
[10:09] <xopher> dystopianray, why? because it's not free?
[10:09] <xopher> doesn't bother me though (never was available for amd64 anyway :P
[10:10] <dystopianray> xopher: it cannot be redistributed, if adobe requests it, it will be removed from previous repos too
[10:10] <xopher> oh yeah, that's true..
[10:10] <xopher> Stupid too.
[10:11] <xopher> Does anyone here know how to change the icon of a folder via cmdline?
[10:11] <xopher> gnome
[10:14] <zaggynl> I sure hope they fix the sound problems in feisty :(
[10:15] <vpol> hi all. anybody tryed to build kvm-module in today's build of ubuntu 7.04? it it unable to build it through module-assistant
[10:21] <[miles] > is there anyone around I could speak with from the ubuntu team regarding joining to activly contribute to the server distro? I would like to start maintaining certain packages etc. Also would like to have our company get involved with the project
[10:21] <bill_k> I just followed the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI .  Restarted x and it wont come back
[10:22] <bill_k> xIO fatal IO error 104 connection reset by peer on xserver.....
[10:24] <Bonez56> hi all
[10:25] <bill_k> hi
[10:25] <void^> bill_k: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:26] <bill_k> cat or nano?
[10:26] <bill_k> not good at vim
[10:26] <vpol> [miles] : actually i'd like to do it too. but i don't know what Mark plans about ubuntu-server.
[10:26] <dystopianray> bill_k: it doesn't matter you won't be editing it
[10:26] <[miles] > vpol: I'm and so impressed with the server distro
[10:27] <[miles] > vpol: so much so, I'd like to contribute
[10:27] <void^> bill_k: more or less
[10:27] <[miles] > vpol: you not in #ubuntu-server
[10:27] <[miles] > ?
[10:28] <bill_k> void^: says something about missing endsection, looking at xorg.conf now (at the line it complained about) and all looks well
[10:29] <void^> bill_k: pastebin your xorg.conf then
[10:29] <bill_k> i'm in virtual term
[10:29] <bill_k> x won't start....
[10:29] <bill_k> way beyond me doing it in screen or some text browser
[10:30] <VirhYl3> Hi, I need to create a Launcher that opens a wine app.
[10:30] <bill_k> should I mv the xorg.conf (that aticonfig made) to a .backup and restore the original?
[10:30] <void^> yes.
[10:30] <VirhYl3> like the linux version of a .BAT file or something.
[10:31] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: just write a shell script
[10:31] <richb> Hey all
[10:31] <bill_k> ok, back to desktop
[10:31] <VirhYl3> OK.  How?  I just need it to do cd nvu  then wine nvu.exe
[10:31] <bill_k> i'll pull that .backup file up and pastebin it with the log file
[10:31] <VirhYl3> since the native nvu doesn't work yet.
[10:32] <VirhYl3> but the windows one works perfect in wine.
[10:32] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: make a text file with the first line as '#!/bin/sh' put the commands you want to run in it and then chmod +x the file and run it
[10:33] <VirhYl3> can I chmod +x the file by a right click?
[10:33] <VirhYl3> I really want to get out of the terminal altogether, and not just for me, but for my clients as well.
[10:33] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: probably, if right clicking allows you to modify permissions
[10:34] <bill_k> void^: is the newest part of the log at the top or bottom?
[10:35] <bill_k> void^: and kubuntu feisty
[10:35] <VirhYl3> Is that the checkbox under permissions that says, "Allow executing file as prorgram"?
[10:35] <bill_k> followed !binarydrivers guide
[10:36] <bill_k> http://pastebin.ca/444245 is the xorg.conf that aticonfig made (didnt work)
[10:37] <bill_k> void^: ping
[10:38] <VirhYl3> hmmm... that worked, but I'd like it to kill the warning.
[10:38] <VirhYl3> plus I don't know where Nvu keeps it's icon in the windows folder version.
[10:40] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: windows icons are contained within the executable
[10:41] <VirhYl3> Huh... Have to go get the .svg online somewhere, eh?
[10:41] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: or find a program to extract resources from windows executables
[10:43] <bill_k> or printscrn, there are separate .ico files sometimes
[10:45] <VirhYl3> I'd rather find the high res .svg somewhere and just use that.  It will look better on The Avant Window Navigator.
[10:46] <bill_k> are icon files really svg's?
[10:47] <dystopianray> bill_k: most are pngs that are rendered from a source svg
[10:47] <bill_k> yeah, that would make more sense
[10:49] <VirhYl3> well, .svg looks better in Avant, in Feisty.  Where possible.
[10:50] <VirhYl3> Which makes total sense, of course.  Feisty is ahead of the curve on this, maybe Ubuntu has had this for a bit, dunno.
[10:50] <dystopianray> is anyone using xserver-xorg-video-intel yet?
[10:52] <acuster> stupid update
[10:53] <acuster> I wonder who's fault it is that /boot/grub/menu.lst gets upgraded several times during a dist-upgrade
[10:53] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, was that you im talking about the ubuntu-reboot windows not working case?
[10:54] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: yes
[10:54] <acuster> so it blows away the original file and puts the newest file in menu.lst and the new-but-not-newest file in menu.lst~
[10:54] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, news: on some restart, ubuntu itself freezing aswell
[10:54] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, only on ubuntu->windows ubuntu->ubuntu cases
[10:55] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: ok, so ubuntu must be doing something funny to the hardware which persists through a reboot
[10:55] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, probably, is there any way I can filter it out? Was trying the boot log in XP but too few info I think, and messy log
[10:55] <zorglu_> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta <- is causing konqueror to report an issue with javascript, where is the proper place to report that ?
[10:56] <dystopianray> zorglu_: you want to report a konq bug or ubuntu website bug?
[10:57] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: get an error message you mean?
[10:57] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, yes, I think I could filter out whats wrong and why, if could filter, on what point exactly windows and ubuntu stops loading (and freezing actually)
[10:57] <zorglu_> dystopianray: is there a channel for ubuntu website ?
[10:57] <dystopianray> zorglu_: I don't know
[10:57] <zorglu_> dystopianray: ok thanks
[10:58] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, so then I could make an exacty bugreport on launchpad
[10:58] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: ah well i'm not sure exactly how you could go about debugging this
[10:58] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: have you treid searching for similar reports from people with similar hardware?
[10:58] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: do other livecds or distros cause the same problems?
[10:59] <VirhYl3> How do I get rid of the warning dialog so my shell script just runs?
[10:59] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: what does the warning say?
[10:59] <VirhYl3> Found a bitchin' icon in Bluesphere, btw.
[10:59] <VirhYl3> Do you want to run "Nvu", or display its contents?
[10:59] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, yes, as its a notebook, searched for the notebook name but nothing, and no havent tried other stuff yet. ubuntu forever :) the thing started since I installed 6.10
[11:00] <VirhYl3> then four options: Run in Terminal, Display, Cancel, Run
[11:00] <VirhYl3> and Cancel is highlighted, which is dumb.
[11:00] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: don't search by notebook name but by the hardware it has
[11:00] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: gnome might allow you to create a gnome specific shortcut which does not generate any warnings
[11:01] <k`ubuntu> dystopianray, yes but how can you make sure what kind of motherboard and stuff it has. I mean, other barebone notebook have same HW with other name
[11:01] <dystopianray> k`ubuntu: lspci
[11:01] <VirhYl3> OK, still, I should file a launchpad bug that it defaults to cancel.  Why would anybody want to double click and default to cancel?
[11:01] <VirhYl3> dystopianray: How do I do that?
[11:01] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: I don't know, i don't use gnome
[11:02] <VirhYl3> Well I just want a simple shortcut that "just works" so my clients can open Nvu without any glitches.
[11:02] <VirhYl3> And I'm going with the default Ubuntu, with Avant as the launcher.
[11:03] <VirhYl3> No easy way to make a pretty icon in Avant that automagically runs a wine program?
[11:03] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: you can probably just right click and select 'create new -> shortcut'
[11:04] <VirhYl3> Hmm. Like create an extra Launcher just for my script?
[11:04] <VirhYl3> That might work... brb
[11:04] <dystopianray> VirhYl3: you could probably make a application shortcut that executes everything you want
[11:05] <void^> VirhYl3: preferences, behaviour, "executable text files".
[11:16] <VirhYl3> void^: THANK YOU !!!!!
[11:19] <VirhYl3> void^: Wait, where is behaviour?
[11:21] <AnRkey> exit
[11:21] <void^> VirhYl3: wait, you weren't talking about nautilus?
[11:21] <AnRkey> hahaha, sorry i need sleep
[11:22] <VirhYl3> Um, I suppose?  I'm using Ubuntu Feisty, Beryl.
[11:23] <void^> VirhYl3: so, edit->preferences..?
[11:23] <VirhYl3> oh, under edit... i was going to the system menu..... DOH!
[11:23] <VirhYl3> Nice.  Works perfect.  THANKS!
[11:36] <dystopianray> |NewUser|: you must use the umask mount option when manually mounting fat partitions
[11:37] <|NewUser|> dystopianray: ty and sorry for my damn connection. its going d/c again and again something problem with my lan server
[11:41] <|NewUser|> damn.. again @
[11:41] <|NewUser|> dystopianray: " sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 " is not fine ?
[11:41] <dystopianray> |NewUser|: only root will have access to the partition
[11:59] <tomkirby> hello all
[12:00] <tomkirby> i'm having problems with pdflatex fonts in feisty - can anyone help me?
[12:03] <seamus7> Hi.. i've installed feisty but had to postpone setting up networking ... at the moment X won't start so i'm limited to the command line ... how can i configure networking from there?
[12:04] <tumi> seamus7: with the "ip" tool
[12:04] <tumi> seamus7: or the older "ifconfig
[12:04] <seamus7> ahh .. so i can't just do it by editing /etc/network/interfaces ?
[12:04] <tumi> seamus7: you can do that too, just networking when finished editing
[12:05] <tumi> restart networking ev.
[12:05] <heno> *** Latest announcement for RC/Final testing https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000281.html ***
[12:05] <seamus7> well i made my interfaces file look exactly like the one on my edgy installation ... then i rebooted and still no internet ... hmmm
[12:11] <_4strO> seamus7: sure it is the network conf who screw your X server ?
[12:11] <_4strO> i don't think so
[12:12] <seamus7> _4str0: no but i need to update packages and such and i think that will fix my x problem
[12:13] <_4strO> ok
[12:13] <_4strO> and ifconfig give a correct IP adress ?
[12:14] <seamus7> _4str0: i haven't done that :(
[12:14] <_4strO> seamus7: just type : ifconfig
[12:15] <seamus7> _4str0: okay... i'll have to come back .. i'm using my edgy partition at the moment
[12:15] <Woody_> hello
[12:15] <_4strO> mmm
[12:15] <_4strO> seamus7: use the liveCD :p
[12:17] <Woody_> people, yesterday i installed nvidia-glx and the next time i booted i came into a black screen with the sounds of drums. someone gave me the commands to fix it back to "nv" instead of "nvidia". today i installed the other nvidia driver (legacy) and the same thing happened now. I forgot the commands that i used yesterday to change it back to "nv", i am on Live CD right now. Can anyone please help me get into my xorg.conf to edit it? thanks
[12:17] <seamus7> _4str0: but of course i use a static ip address in edgy and vista so .. hmmm using the livecd seems like a good idea but x failed when i tried that as well ... i'll check ifconfig and see if all is as it ought to be
[12:19] <Woody_> /server undernet
[12:19] <Woody_> oh sorry lol
[12:20] <_4strO> lol Woody_
[12:21] <_4strO> Woody_: still there ?
[12:21] <Woody_> yes _4
[12:21] <Woody_> _4strO:
[12:21] <Woody_> yes sir
[12:21] <_4strO> do :
[12:21] <Woody_> yeah, tell me
[12:22] <_4strO> can you paste the result of : sudo fdisk -l
[12:22] <_4strO> !paste
[12:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:22] <Woody_> yeah sure
[12:23] <Woody_> /dev/hda2            2551        9729    57665317+  83  Linux
[12:23] <Woody_> hda2
[12:23] <tomkirby> can anyone help me get a decent font with pdflatex in feisty? it's gone all pixellated since I upgraded from edgy :(
[12:24] <_4strO> Woody_: sudo mkdir ~/temp && sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 ~/temp && sudo gedit ~/temp/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:25] <Woody_> alright
[12:26] <Woody_> it worked _4strO :D
[12:26] <_4strO> sure :)
[12:26] <Woody_> let me write this down, so i dont have to ask you anymore
[12:26] <_4strO> Woody_: u have to understand the different command ;)
[12:27] <Woody_> _4strO: i am a Windows guy, i left Windows 3 days ago :) no more XP and Vista lol
[12:27] <_4strO> Woody_: try some : mkdir --help, mount --help
[12:28] <Woody_> alright, i will _4strO
[12:29] <_4strO> ;)
[12:29] <Woody_> _4strO: i have a question for you, I heard people saying that Linux works on all computers, old and new. I have a Pentium 4 2.4GHZ CPU and Ubuntu is always using more than 70% of the CPU power. Windows Vista uses less lol. why is that happening to me?
[12:30] <Woody_> ubuntu (fiesty fawn) also freezes a lot and the mouse pauses for few seconds when you move it.
[12:31] <_4strO> mmm
[12:31] <_4strO> Seveas !!!
[12:31] <_4strO> han
[12:32] <Woody_> _4strO: do you know why is that happening to me? more than 70% of the CPU power is used.
[12:32] <_4strO> Woody_: can tou paste (on the website) the result of this commande : top
[12:32] <_4strO> (ctrl-c to stop the command)
[12:32] <Woody_> what _4strO
[12:32] <Woody_> which command?
[12:32] <_4strO> top
[12:33] <_4strO> :)
[12:33] <|NewUser|> i dont want .. that ubuntu check all my file system on startup.. coz there is something problem with fsck.. No INFO Sector found .. so i dont want that on startup it checks my all file system except my root / .. it is possible?
[12:33] <Woody_> okay
[12:33] <Woody_> how can i paste it to you? the information is constantly changing
[12:33] <_4strO> !paste
[12:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:34] <Woody_> okay
[12:34] <Woody_> one moment please
[12:35] <_4strO> no pb
[12:35] <|NewUser|> well in other words i want to say.. i dont want to mount my FAT32 or other partitions mount automatically..  on startup ?
[12:36] <Rytmis> My first instinct would be to stab the fstab, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea for a newbie :)
[12:36] <lolman> Right, got a problem with my wireless in Feisty...NetworkManager refuses to accept it can use WPA, but if I configure it manually it works...
[12:36] <lolman> (manually as in using the interfaces file)
[12:37] <void^> |NewUser|: try adding "FSCKTYPES=none" to /etc/default/rcS
[12:37] <Rytmis> void^: that sounds like it would prevent all fscking (heh)
[12:37] <Rytmis> void^: is that such a good idea?
[12:38] <nick01> hi- is 7.04 finished and they're just not leting u download it cause shipit is shipping the new version
[12:38] <lolman> The release candidate is in testing
[12:38] <void^> Rytmis: checkroot doesn't care about it, so root will always get checked.
[12:39] <mc44> nick01: no one is stopiing you downloading it
[12:39] <|NewUser|> i have another issue with "sudo apt-get update " http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16103/   can someone help ?
[12:39] <_4strO> Woody_: select the all text and just paste it with the middle click of your mouse ;)
[12:39] <nick01> mc44: it's available for download anywhere ?
[12:39] <mc44> nick01: the release candidates are. However they may not be the same as the final release
[12:40] <Rytmis> it's generally a bad idea to use a RC on your primary workstation. RCs are known to periodically explode, eat your pets and stuff like that.
[12:40] <Rytmis> Keeps life interesting, though.
[12:40] <nick01> thought so- so even though they're accepting orders they won't ship until its ready and the cd pressed too ?
[12:40] <mc44> nick01: well they wont ship cds until the cds are pressed, no
[12:41] <mc44> unsurprisingly
[12:41] <nick01> lol
[12:41] <Rytmis> I demand they ship unpressed CDs. This repressing of innocent discs must stop!
[12:41] <nick01> LOL
[12:42] <mc44> Rytmis: just go buy a blank cd-r and write ubuntu on it :)
[12:42] <Rytmis> mc44: nah, I just dist-upgrade all the time :D
[12:42] <|NewUser|> is there something missing in my source.list file or ? any other thing ?
[12:43] <mc44> |NewUser|: it looks like the packages were just corrupted
[12:43] <mc44> |NewUser|: have you tried again?
[12:44] <|NewUser|> mc44: then how can i get all new updates?
[12:45] <|NewUser|> mc44: yea i tried 3 to 4 times.. but still same thing happens.
[12:45] <mc44> |NewUser|: you can try changing the mirror you are using from pk to something else
[12:45] <|NewUser|> mc44:  sure its a Gud idea :/
[12:46] <|NewUser|> !easysource
[12:46] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:46] <mc44> |NewUser|: sure, the packages may just be broken on the pk mirror
[12:46] <_4strO> |NewUser|: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[12:46] <_4strO> oups
[12:47] <|NewUser|> _4strO:  thanks. mc44 u too thanks.
[12:48] <|NewUser|> let me try to reboot my system.. as void^ says to edit.. so i edit that file.. now check to reboot it happens again or not. :)
[12:48] <|NewUser|> BRB!
[12:48] <mc44> |NewUser|: you dont need to reboot
[12:48] <|NewUser|> mc44: not for this..
[12:48] <mc44> ah ok :)
[12:48] <|NewUser|> issue for automatic mount on startup.. so i dont want that.
[12:49] <|NewUser|> mc44: well on startup it freeze my screen for sometime.
[01:03] <|NewUser|> void^: thanks man.. now its working awsome.. what i want.. system just start in 40 to 45 seconds :)
[01:04] <|NewUser|> !medibuntu
[01:04] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[01:06] <Woody_> _4strO: sorry i got disconnected bro
[01:06] <Woody_> _4strO: im going to re-paste you the output of "top"
[01:06] <_4strO> no pb
[01:07] <Woody_> !paste
[01:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:07] <_4strO> ^^
[01:12] <Woody_> my connection is bad :(
[01:12] <Ilokaasu> i updated to -15 kernel but it doesent appear in grub list and uname -r says its still -12 kernel, how to change this ?
[01:12] <_4strO> lokks like
[01:13] <_4strO> Ilokaasu: try another sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[01:13] <_4strO> Ilokaasu: try another sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:14] <Ilokaasu> got this sudo update-grub command and it found -15, i go test now
[01:16] <_4strO> Woody_: still there ?
[01:17] <Woody_> _4strO: i am having problems with my connection :S
[01:17] <Woody_> man, im living in the middle east, what do you expect? lol
[01:17] <_4strO> loool
[01:18] <Woody_> haha
[01:18] <Woody_> i have a poor 256k connection here lol
[01:18] <Woody_> it took me about 5hrs to make the update for ubuntu (350MB)
[01:18] <_4strO> argh
[01:19] <|NewUser|> looks like he have same connection as mine :/
[01:19] <_4strO> ^^
[01:19] <|NewUser|> Woody_: r0fl u know ? i have 8kbs connection :/
[01:20] <Woody_> lol
[01:20] <Woody_> also living in the middle east |NewUser|? :P
[01:20] <|NewUser|> yea i m from pk.
[01:20] <Woody_> ah pakistan :P
[01:20] <_4strO> pk ?
[01:20] <Woody_> im from Lebanon
[01:20] <Woody_> Im Canadian but living here in Lebanon
[01:21] <_4strO> whaou
[01:21] <|NewUser|> :)
[01:21] <|NewUser|> slow connection is a big problem for us :)
[01:21] <Woody_> yeah, im an internet addict
[01:22] <Woody_> im also new to Linux
[01:22] <|NewUser|> well im behind a router.. :) my admin g0t 20mb download link :) but restricted for all user 8kbs for all.
[01:22] <Woody_> _4strO: firefox is not opening any website, when i get my connection back ill tell you
[01:22] <_4strO> ok
[01:23] <|NewUser|> Woody_:  i m new too :)
[01:23] <Woody_> im having some problems with Linux, it makes me freak out
[01:23] <Woody_> but im trying to fix them
[01:23] <Woody_> with the help of Mr. _4strO
[01:24] <_4strO> ;)
[01:24] <Woody_> lol
[01:24] <|NewUser|> Woody_: Ubuntu have gr8 efforts to help New User or as well old users :) thats why i like to use Ubuntu.. and one more thing is really looks like simple .. thats why i love it :)
[01:24] <Woody_> _4strO: are you an employee in Ubuntu? or just for fun helping people?
[01:25] <Woody_> |NewUser|: yeah thats some of the reasons im liking Ubuntu :)
[01:25] <derek[] > Hi
[01:25] <|NewUser|> Woody_: they just help all user at free of cost :) its a big Main issue :) they gave Us much n much time with much info :)
[01:25] <derek[] > We have an HP Laserjet printer in a LAN. All the computers in the network, except for my laptop, are running windows-xp. I am not able to print from linux. What could be the issue?
[01:26] <Woody_> yes for sure |NewUser|
[01:26] <derek[] > I added a "New printer" using the wizard somehow , and it says "Ready" . May be I did something wrong there, I'm not sure. Can anyone help me please?
[01:26] <_4strO> Woody_: just helping people
[01:26] <_4strO> for free
[01:27] <|NewUser|> _4strO:  i wish i will be a good helper of Ubuntu As soon :)
[01:28] <_4strO> :)
[01:28] <Woody_> yeah, me too... i guess i need some time
[01:29] <|NewUser|> umm
[01:29] <|NewUser|> i just want to learn over all works with terminal :) i love to work with terminal..
[01:30] <Woody_> _4strO: my connection is back, the pastebin is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16108/
[01:31] <_4strO> ok
[01:33] <Woody_> |NewUser|: how much does ubuntu use from your CPU power?
[01:35] <Woody_> _4strO: still there?
[01:35] <Rytmis> Yikes, I'm pretty sure ACPI support isn't supposed to eat your CPU
[01:36] <Woody_> Rytmis: then what is eating it up?
[01:36] <Woody_> lol
[01:37] <derek[] > help!
[01:37] <_4strO> Woody_: ok
[01:38] <_4strO> just googlising :p
[01:38] <Rytmis> maybe boot with the noacpi option?
[01:38] <Woody_> yes _4strO okay
[01:38] <Woody_> _4strO: do you like Astronomy?
[01:38] <_4strO> nop
[01:38] <Woody_> ah okay
[01:38] <_4strO> i like 4strOnef s ^^
[01:39] <Woody_> :D
[01:40] <Rytmis> Woody_: You were a recent windows convert, no? I'm trying to decide whether it's safe for me to instruct you to futz around with the boot loader :d
[01:42] <_4strO> Woody_: what is the result of the command : uname -r ?
[01:42] <RAOF> Rytmis: You can tell him to futz around with the bootloader while it's running (pressing "e" in the grub menu), that's pretty safe :)
[01:43] <Woody_> okay
[01:43] <Woody_> 2.6.20-15-generic
[01:43] <_4strO> ok
[01:44] <Rytmis> Woody_: you could try booting. You know when there's a short countdown sequence before linux boots? you can press ESC there and get to the boot menu.
[01:44] <Rytmis> Woody_: If you press e there, you can edit the boot options for the kernel without breaking anything.
[01:44] <Woody_> yeah
[01:45] <Woody_> Rytmis: im new to Linux
[01:45] <_4strO> Woody_: or just edit the menu in a text editor :p
[01:45] <Rytmis> Woody_: so you boot, hit esc, press 'e', then navigate to a row that starts with 'kernel', hit 'e' again and type ' noacpi' to the end of that line.
[01:45] <Woody_> how?
[01:45] <Woody_> what should i do?
[01:45] <_4strO> do : sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:45] <Rytmis> _4strO: that's a bit riskier
[01:45] <_4strO> and then
[01:46] <Woody_> ok
[01:46] <Rytmis> _4strO: doing it at boot-time won't alter the settings permanently, which is safer for the first time.
[01:46] <_4strO> Rytmis: we will only modify the first kernel
[01:46] <_4strO> not the recovery one ;)
[01:47] <Rytmis> _4strO: Yeah, but how well is a first-time user going to deal with recovery mode? :D
[01:47] <_4strO> ^^
[01:47] <void^> disabling acpi permanently is just a workaround anyway :/
[01:47] <Woody_> _4strO: why should i edit it? what is eating my CPU?
[01:47] <_4strO> kacpi proccess
[01:48] <_4strO> Woody_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2424207
[01:48] <Rytmis> That's the kernel acpi daemon
[01:48] <Woody_> what does that do?
[01:48] <Woody_> the kcpi process is used for what?
[01:48] <Woody_> Rytmis: lol explain
[01:49] <Rytmis> Woody_: ACPI is a hardware interface, I guess primarily dealing with shutdown, hibernate and stuff like that.
[01:50] <Rytmis> Woody_: I have a vague concept of what it deals with, not too specific :)
[01:50] <Woody_> so it wont harm anything if i remove it?
[01:51] <Rytmis> That would be the case.
[01:51] <void^> if you have a laptop with temperature controlled fans it might be unwise to disable it.
[01:51] <Rytmis> true
[01:51] <Rytmis> I was kinda assuming a desktop machine, sorry
[01:51] <Woody_> void^ i have a laptop with t controlled fans
[01:52] <Rytmis> Mwah
[01:52] <Woody_> so if i remove that process, my laptop will burn lol
[01:52] <void^> depending on your mainboard it might not start the fans properly without acpi
[01:52] <derek[] > can someone help me with setting up the printer correctly please?
[01:53] <Woody_> void^, yeah i dont want to take that risk
[01:53] <Woody_> void^ so what can i do to minimize my CPU usage?
[01:53] <Woody_> its always more than 60~70%
[01:55] <spheard> hi, Im trying to reinstate grum after it was removed by vista. I cant ge grub to find my linux partition
[01:55] <void^> Woody_: pastebin output of 'dmesg'
[01:55] <Woody_> ok
[01:56] <derjoerg> hello list
[01:56] <derjoerg> are there any plans to implement kernel-patch-vserver for feisty?
[01:57] <_4strO> derjoerg: dont know
[01:58] <derjoerg> _4strO: ok, thanks. Not the answer I hoped for, but at least an answer
[01:58] <coz_> asked this alrady here but let me try again   this gnome library   libgtkglextmm-x11-1.0.so.0 was aviable last week on all debian besed distros this week it isno where to be found  and i have several apps that depend on that library  any suggestions? I am also checking in #debian and #gnome
[01:59] <_4strO> spheard: try with sudo grub-install
[02:00] <Woody_> on moment void^
[02:01] <Woody_> the pc is freezing constantly
[02:03] <Woody_> void^, here it is http://paste.uni.cc/14642
[02:04] <lolman> Anybody else noticed problems using ndiswrapper with DHCP?
[02:04] <Ilokaasu> i updatet my grub and 2.6.20-15 appeared there, but when i try to boot, it says kernel panic. I think the problem is because one line is missing from grub menu.lst http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16110/
[02:04] <spheard> lolman: wireless on edgy is a bis wierd
[02:04] <spheard> bit buggy
[02:05] <lolman> spheard, I mean on Feisty
[02:05] <spheard> feisty is supposed to sort all that out tho :-)
[02:05] <spheard> :-<
[02:05] <lolman> It associates with the access point but fails to get an IP
[02:06] <spheard> what does ifonfig and iw config give you?
[02:06] <Ilokaasu> if someone could help, im having problems updating to -15 kernel
[02:06] <lolman> Oh I have an IP now, but I had to set it to static
[02:06] <lolman> When I use DHCP it definitely associates
[02:06] <lolman> But nothing about an UIP ever appears
[02:06] <lolman> IP*
[02:07] <Rytmis> Ilokaasu: Yeah, looks like you don't have an initrd
[02:07] <lolman> IP*
[02:07] <lolman> Oops
[02:07] <spheard> lolman: have you tried on many networks?
[02:07] <Ilokaasu> Rytmis: tuukko #ubuntu-fi
[02:08] <lolman> I only have 1 network to try on, but when I use it in Windows it works...so it's not the adapter
[02:09] <spheard> take it it works okay whn you use ethernet
[02:09] <lolman> Yep
[02:10] <lolman> But ethernet isn't feasible, I'm 2 floors away from the router
[02:10] <lolman> Another thing I've noticed is that it only connects at 11Mb when it's a 54Mb adapter
[02:11] <spheard> thats prob cos of the two floors your going thru
[02:11] <spheard> :-)
[02:11] <lolman> Nope, it isn't :)
[02:11] <spheard> h
[02:11] <spheard> oh
[02:11] <lolman> Regularly get 54Mb on Winblows
[02:12] <spheard> well, to my knowledge the dhcp is done after the mac layer
[02:12] <Woody_> lol lolman
[02:13] <lolman> It works with Static IP, and I don't really need DHCP, but the 11Mb thing is bugging me now
[02:14] <spheard> thatll be the driver
[02:14] <spheard> check the version of ndiswrapper your using
[02:15] <Woody_> void^ still there?
[02:15] <lolman> It's the one in the Feisty repo, hang on
[02:15] <spheard> lolman: upgrade it
[02:15] <spheard> get the latest one
[02:16] <lolman> Any binaries available or will I need to compile?
[02:16] <spheard> hang on
[02:16] <spheard> what s your wireless?
[02:16] <lolman> NetGear WG111v2
[02:17] <lolman> There's a native module for it, but NetworkManager doesn't pick up the WPA on that
[02:17] <spheard> us?
[02:17] <spheard> usb?
[02:17] <lolman> Yeah
[02:18] <spheard> dunno man,
[02:18] <spheard> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=WG111v2+ndiswrapper+feisty&meta=
[02:18] <spheard> you'll have to play with these
[02:18] <lolman> Okies
[02:19] <void^> Woody_: hrm, sorry, nothing obvious. probably try booting with 'lapic'. file a bugreport at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20 , attach the top and dmesg logs
[02:19] <Woody_> what do you mean by booting with "lapic" void^?
[02:20] <void^> as suggested earlier, add lapic to the kernel command line. it's just a random idea, though.
[02:20] <gerry_> hello
[02:20] <gerry_> how about beryl support now
[02:20] <Woody_> void^ i dont know what you are talking about
[02:20] <Woody_> void^ please explain step by step
[02:21] <shirish> Hidan: hi :)
[02:21] <gerry_> i have bought a ati card: ati x1950 GT , i want using it under beryl
[02:21] <Woody_> void^ im going to report the bug
[02:22] <gerry_> but i heard that nvidia driver is better than ati, is that true?
[02:22] <shirish> guys has anybody been able to update to 1.9.94 x-org-intel driver?
[02:22] <capiira> sure gerry
[02:23] <shirish> gerry : there is supposed to  be an nvidia driver but there is also something called noveau where you could help
[02:23] <capiira> ati drivers was always bad doesnt matter which platform
[02:23] <DVS01> hi
[02:23] <Woody_> void^ you think that with the release of Fiesty final, this bug will be removed?
[02:23] <gerry_> what's noveau?
[02:23] <DVS01> downloading beta now =D
[02:23] <shirish> gerry_: would get you the details in few minutes
[02:24] <gerry_> yeah
[02:24] <shirish> gerry_: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[02:24] <gerry_> ok
[02:25] <gerry_> but i have bought a ati card ...
[02:25] <matysek> all: have working bc43xx but i cannot see anything, but i had to see 2 somethings
[02:25] <shirish> gerry_: ok cool
[02:26] <gerry_> noveau seems only for nvidia
[02:26] <Rytmis> gerry_: for hardware acceereation, fglrx is your best bet
[02:27] <gerry_> but ,beryl not work
[02:27] <lolman> gerry_, installed XGL?
[02:27] <gerry_> lolman, yes
[02:28] <gerry_> XGL+beryl
[02:29] <lolman> Hrm, I dunno much about ATI, since I run nvidia
[02:29] <derek[] > hi patizivs
[02:29] <patizivs> hello
[02:29] <patizivs> Is there any news about RC?
[02:30] <gerry_>  it seems there are lots bugs in feisty beryl+xgl
[02:30] <nicolah> is RC out ?
[02:30] <gerry_> or ubuntu just droped beryl support
[02:30] <shirish> patizivs: there are RC candidates at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:31] <CarinArr> gerry_: i ended up using the beryl-project repositories and i've not had any problems
[02:31] <nicolah> can't find any RC at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/
[02:31] <DVS01> check topic's url
[02:31] <patizivs> only bug which I found is beryl+totem it is annoying
[02:31] <CarinArr> i don't use totem
[02:31] <gerry_> CarinArr:  using a NV card?
[02:31] <CarinArr> so don't know about that
[02:31] <CarinArr> gerry_: aye
[02:32] <gerry_> i'm ati
[02:32] <patizivs> xine is better, I couldn find in gconf for totem where to change video output
[02:32] <gerry_> x1950 GT
[02:33] <nicolah> thanks DVS01
[02:33] <nicolah> here's the link for the RC http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070415/
[02:34] <gerry_> without beryl-project repositories, beryl not work for ati card ,
[02:35] <tumi> did clearlooks recently get updated in the repo?
[02:35] <tumi> suddenly selected menu items are so extremely rounded
[02:36] <gerry_> how to setup dmraid in feisty?
[02:36] <shirish> tumi: yup supposedly they did as well as the human theme also has been updated supposedly so people can have rounded corners
[02:37] <gerry_> anyone have tred dmraid here?
[02:38] <tumi> shirish: the Human theme looks ok to me, much less rounded than clearlooks
[02:38] <gerry_> it seems kvm is slow
[02:39] <gerry_> my winxp kvm virtual machine is too slow
[02:39] <shirish> tumi: true, I haven't seen clearlooks so cannot say how much the difference is, I'm on CRT , IIRC clearlooks is for LCD monitors right?
[02:39] <tumi> shirish: no I don't think it's LCD specific..
[02:40] <shirish> tumi: in that case I might try it sometimes
[02:40] <Woody_> guys, its easy to upgrade from Fiesty beta to Fiesty Final?
[02:40] <gerry_> how to tweak it?
[02:41] <tumi> Woody_: yes
[02:41] <mc44> Woody_: yes
[02:41] <gerry_> Woody : sure
[02:41] <gerry_> Woody_, it's not easy but very easy
[02:42] <gerry_> just a few mouse clicks
[02:43] <derek[] > someone please please help me setup a LAN printer correctly
[02:43] <derek[] > !!
[02:43] <gerry_> any one has tried KVM here?
[02:43] <Woody_> lol gerry_
[02:44] <Woody_> define:kvm
[02:44] <gerry_> kernel based virtual machine
[02:44] <Woody_> wow cool
[02:44] <Woody_> gerry_: im new to linux
[02:45] <gerry_> i have tried winxp, archlinux, solaris under feisty
[02:45] <gerry_> but solaris failed
[02:45] <richb> Hmm, does postfix run in a chroot?
[02:45] <mc44> gerry_: how is it different to vmware?
[02:46] <gerry_> open source vs not open source
[02:46] <mc44> ah :)
[02:46] <derek[] > why doesn't anybody answer
[02:46] <derek[] > :/
[02:46] <mc44> !patience | derek[] 
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[02:46] <gerry_> kvm is a lightweigh  virtual machine
[02:47] <gerry_> not need much configure
[02:47] <mc44> gerry_: ive only used vmware, but the cursor is really choppy even though everything else is pretty fast
[02:47] <mc44> gerry_: I guess due to not being able to use the graphics cards proper drivers
[02:48] <gerry_> mc44: have you installed vmware drivers for xorg?
[02:48] <gerry_> i dislike vmware anyways :)
[02:49] <mc44> gerry_: I just apt-getted the player, so I guess so?
[02:49] <gerry_> mc44: why not try kvm?
[02:49] <BluesKaj> first of all derek[]  , what printer, how is the LAN setup ?
[02:49] <derek[] > hi BluesKaj
[02:50] <mc44> gerry_: next time I need a vm I will :) But I only have xp set up for funsies
[02:50] <gerry_> it's very easy to setup
[02:50] <BluesKaj> hi derek[] 
[02:50] <derek[] > HP Laserjet M1005 . In the LAN, all the computers are running Win-XP (including the computer to which the printer is connected). Only my laptop is running Ubuntu.
[02:51] <gerry_> vmware will install much mess on your box
[02:51] <tatters>  I new to ubuntu / Linux ,,been using feisty beta, now when it becomes officially released do I have to download and install new image or will this beta be updated through apt-get and no need to reinstall?
[02:51] <mc44> gerry_: yes, it seems to have taken over my network interfaces
[02:51] <derek[] > BluesKaj, that's the set up.
[02:51] <mc44> tatters: no, just use update manager for any new packages
[02:51] <gerry_> :)
[02:52] <mc44> tatters: it all happens automagically :) One of the joys of linux
[02:52] <gerry_> just use XP for funny, kvm is enough
[02:52] <tatters> mc44: thnx and phew :)
[02:52] <Woody_> guys, ubuntu is eating up my CPU... its always more than 70%. you think that the Fiesty final will fix that problem?
[02:53] <mc44> tatters: you will probably be up to date with the final feisty anyway if you have been using the update manager
[02:53] <slackern> Woody_, can you see which appliction is doing it?
[02:53] <BluesKaj> ok, derek[]  first of all findout in printer properties what the XP pc has named the the printer ...it'll be in lower case something like "hplaserje' or simiar name
[02:53] <mc44> Woody_: feisty final is unlikely to change from now
[02:53] <BluesKaj> similar
[02:53] <Woody_> slackern: i dont know which processes are doing that
[02:53] <gerry_> Woody_:  how about your box hardware?
[02:53] <slackern> Woody_, maybe you can open a terminal and run 'top' and see there
[02:53] <Woody_> there is one responsible for the temperature regulating fans
[02:54] <Rytmis> slackern: it's the kernel ACPI daemon
[02:54] <mstrzele> hi all, i have a question: in feisty there is a command-not-found package which is proposing installation not founded package with apt-get. is there any way to change default proposed apt-get to aptitude?
[02:54] <Woody_> gerry_: i have a Pentium 4 2.4GHZ CPU
[02:54] <tatters> oh right  I still got a cpl probs with log viewer not opening and not being able to permently disable my wireless connection from the gui,,,I was hoping they will be fixed if bugs soon
[02:54] <gerry_> not bad
[02:54] <slackern> Rytmis ahh alright, this is a bit of uncharted territory for me but i belive you can disable acpi when booting up
[02:54] <derek[] > BluesKaj, here is the info: Share name: HPLaserJ
[02:55] <Rytmis> slackern: Yeah but he's got a laptop so disabling ACPI isn't really an option xP
[02:55] <Woody_> slackern: i did the top command
[02:55] <Woody_> i got a lyst
[02:55] <Woody_> list
[02:55] <slackern> Woody_, the thing on top there should be the appliction using the most of your cpu, but if it's the acpi im not sure if you can see it there
[02:56] <BluesKaj> ok, derek[]  remember that name ...have you tries to install anetwork printer yet in system settings using 'cups' ?
[02:56] <kalon33> hello guys, I've problems building v4l-dvb-kernel modules these days on Feisty, do you know a repository which work ?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> err tried
[02:56] <gerry_> cpu 10%  on my box
[02:56] <Woody_> slackern: you mean this?
[02:56] <Woody_>  31 root      20  -5     0    0    0 R 79.0  0.0  79:57.71 kacpid
[02:56] <mc44> mstrzele: there doesnt appear to be
[02:56] <slackern> ahh yes, that should be it then
[02:56] <richb> Ahh, fixed it, no resolv.conf in the chroot.
[02:57] <Woody_> why does it eat up my CPU?
[02:57] <derek[] > BluesKaj, I tried to install a network printer using socket.. port 9100 and the host name. It didn't work. I did not try the cups protocol..
[02:57] <Woody_> slackern: why is that happening?
[02:57] <tatters> /join#mythtv-users
[02:57] <slackern> Woody_, not sure how to fix something like that im afraid, could be some bug against your system
[02:57] <Woody_> mmm, who can help me then slackern?
[02:58] <slackern> Woody_, i will go and try to see if there is a bug reported about something like that
[02:58] <BluesKaj> derek[] , I'd suggest you try cups and having 'samba' installed won't hurt either
[02:58] <Woody_> thanks slackern
[02:58] <derek[] > BluesKaj, I think I have samba installed
[02:58] <slackern> Woody_, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs i belive all the bugs are listed there and thats where you report a bug also
[02:59] <gerry_> Woody_: look at your system sevices which are runing on your box
[02:59] <Woody_> gerry_: there is nothing important running
[02:59] <Woody_> i have the GAIM and Firefox running
[02:59] <Woody_> im just using these 2 programs
[02:59] <BluesKaj> ok derek[] , systemsettings/printers/add/add_printer/class
[03:00] <derek[] > BluesKaj, you mean I should try this: IPP Printer or printer on CUPS server (IPP) ?
[03:00] <derek[] > BluesKaj, I didn't understand what you meant by /class in the end
[03:00] <BluesKaj> printer on cups
[03:00] <gerry_> where did you get your cpu message?
[03:00] <derek[] > BluesKaj, it asks for URI: , I don't know what to put
[03:01] <Woody_> system monitor gerry_
[03:01] <Woody_> its 90% now :S
[03:01] <gerry_> oh, my god, that's not ture
[03:01] <gerry_> type  top in your terminal
[03:01] <BluesKaj> are you click on samba shred printer
[03:01] <Woody_> i did that gerry
[03:01] <Woody_> gerry_:
[03:01] <gerry_> look at  a line with cpu
[03:02] <Woody_> okay
[03:02] <gerry_> how much  x%
[03:02] <derek[] > BluesKaj, no. where is that? I went to System > Administration > Printing > Add new printer
[03:02] <Woody_>  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[03:02] <Woody_>    31 root      20  -5     0    0    0 R 63.6  0.0  84:12.94 kacpid
[03:02] <Woody_> whats that kacpid?
[03:03] <BluesKaj> ok, is there anoption to use samba ?
[03:03] <gerry_> top - 21:01:15 up  1:11,  2 users,  load average: 0.19, 0.27, 0.26
[03:03] <gerry_> Tasks: 127 total,   2 running, 124 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie
[03:03] <gerry_> Cpu(s):  1.0%us,  0.2%sy,  0.0%ni, 98.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.2%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[03:04] <martalli> What is the name of the package with mp3 and other restricted codecs?
[03:04] <gerry_> 98.7% id
[03:04] <Woody_> whats that?
[03:04] <gerry_> only 1.3% working
[03:05] <Woody_> mmm
[03:05] <gerry_> my cpu E6300
[03:05] <BluesKaj> sorry derek[] , I keep assuming ppl are using kde ...didn't realize gnome is so different :(
[03:05] <mc44> martalli: for gstreamer?
[03:05] <slackern> gerry_, but his problem is with kacpid using waaaay to much cpu for some reason my computer is old but mine isn't even using 0,1%  of my cpu
[03:06] <gerry_> loot your top output again, Woody_
[03:06] <derek[] > BluesKaj, ok no problem. In Add a new printer, the samba option is Windows Printer (SMB)
[03:06] <Woody_> top - 16:02:30 up  2:05,  2 users,  load average: 2.00, 2.44, 2.48
[03:06] <Woody_> Tasks: 115 total,   3 running, 111 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie
[03:06] <Woody_> Cpu(s): 10.0%us, 43.7%sy,  0.0%ni,  4.3%id,  0.0%wa, 42.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[03:06] <Woody_> Mem:    514964k total,   464164k used,    50800k free,    19236k buffers
[03:06] <Woody_> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   264832k cached
[03:06] <Rytmis> !paste
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[03:06] <martalli> mc44: My ubuntu 7.04 comp will load and play various "restricted" codecs, but it doesn't seem that my laptop (kubuntu 7.04) is doing the same thing
[03:06] <Woody_> Rytmis: lol it takes time, thats faster... sorry for now
[03:06] <dystopianray> martalli: for kubuntu install libxine-extracodecs
[03:07] <mc44> yeah what he said :)
[03:08] <martalli> dystopianray: Thanks
[03:08] <Woody_> gerry_: what do you think?
[03:08] <slackern> Woody_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2424207 maybe this is something similar
[03:08] <gerry_> Woody_:  weird
[03:08] <Woody_> hello dystopianray how are you today?
[03:08] <Woody_> gerry_: so you think FFfinal can fix that?
[03:09] <dystopianray> Woody_: i'm fine
[03:09] <slackern> Woody_, you know which cpu you have?
[03:09] <gerry_> Woody_: i think so
[03:10] <Woody_> I have a Mobile Intel Pentium 4 - M CPU 2.40 GHZ
[03:10] <Woody_> XP doesnt use more than 8% on that
[03:10] <BluesKaj> ok derek[] , it'll ask for a login..if your not worried about security use "guest', then the XP computer name (server), usually it's the pc's brand or model name...it'll will tell you in the XP printers properties what the printerserver name is.
[03:11] <slackern> Woody_, ahh alright, some things that seems to be a problem with kacpid is that if the computer is running to warm several machines seems to make kacpid use more and more cpu, maybe this is not your problem but something people have noticed
[03:11] <Woody_> slackern: so what can i do?
[03:12] <gerry_> kacpid is a module for power management
[03:12] <Woody_> slackern: the computer is not running smoothly and the mouse pauses for some seconds when moving it
[03:12] <Woody_> it is slowing my system a lottt
[03:12] <slackern> gerry_, yes and thermal/fan management is also a part of that
[03:12] <slackern> atleast as far as i know, not used a laptop for ages myself
[03:12] <BluesKaj> derek[] , Workgroup is usually MSHOME or HOME
[03:13] <slackern> Woody_, btw does it happen only after hibernation or directly from a fresh restart?
[03:13] <dystopianray> does anyone have xserver-xorg-video-intel yet?
[03:13] <Woody_> slackern: it happens directly after a fresh restart
[03:13] <Woody_> slackern: i dont use hibernation
[03:13] <slackern> Woody_, ahh alright
[03:13] <gerry_> Woody_:  like sleeping mode in windows
[03:14] <Woody_> gerry_: yes
[03:14] <Woody_> gerry_: slackern: a friend of mine have a dual core CPU, it works smoothly
[03:14] <Woody_> you think i have a hardware problem?
[03:14] <derek[] > BluesKaj, I'm not following, sorry ...
[03:14] <gerry_> sure, it's acpi broken
[03:14] <Woody_> but WinXP works so smooothly
[03:15] <Woody_> how can i fix that gerry_?
[03:15] <dystopianray> Woody_: it's likely a kernel bug
[03:15] <Woody_> if i disable acpi, what will happen?
[03:15] <gerry_> not your hardware :)
[03:15] <Woody_> dystopianray: will FFfinal fix that?
[03:15] <dystopianray> Woody_: no power management
[03:15] <dystopianray> Woody_: I don't know what that is
[03:15] <derek[] > wooohooooo
[03:15] <Woody_> fiesty fawn final
[03:15] <dystopianray> Woody_: what are you using now?
[03:15] <derek[] > BluesKaj, I got it set up. Test page printed. :)
[03:16] <slackern> Woody_, have you noticed if the fans run slower or something in ubuntu than in windows?
[03:16] <Woody_> im using the same computer that has the problem, ubuntu 7.04
[03:16] <Woody_> i noticed that the fans in ubuntu are rotating in higher speeds than in windows
[03:16] <dystopianray> Woody_: have you fully updated your 7.04 install?
[03:16] <Woody_> yes dystopianray, i updated it all
[03:16] <BluesKaj> cool derek[] , itworked ok then
[03:17] <dystopianray> Woody_: then it's very unlikely your problem will be fixed in the final release of feisty
[03:17] <Woody_> oh :(
[03:17] <llutz> does nvidia-glx-new (for nvidia 7300gs card)  work with linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic (.15-27) and why does it always want to install image-386 (not usable for smp-system)?
[03:17] <Woody_> then i have to leave ubuntu and get back to WinXP
[03:17] <dystopianray> Woody_: but possibly in a subsequent update if you post a bug report
[03:18] <gerry_> Woody_: disable your acpid service and try again
[03:19] <Woody_> gerry_: maybe the laptop caught fire lol
[03:19] <slackern> Woody_, you could read on this page and try what he did http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399619&highlight=kacpid
[03:19] <Woody_> there are many bugs reported for the same problem im facing
[03:19] <Woody_> thanks slackern
[03:19] <slackern> Woody_, but i would recommend making a new boot entry for that so you can boot up the same way as you are doing now but just with another selection in the menu
[03:19] <Woody_> which selection do i use?
[03:19] <Woody_> the safe mode?
[03:19] <Woody_> its the second in the list
[03:20] <mc44> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: you are assuming it will be out on time :)
[03:20] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> hoping* ;)
[03:20] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i got faith in Ubuntu \o/
[03:21] <eagles0513875> i have an nvidia card and for some reason direct rendering says no how do i enable it for my nvidia card should i download the binary from nvidia
[03:21] <shirish> Anybody tried the Ubuntu Live or Alternate DVD?
[03:21] <Ilokaasu> Need help. ubuntu 7.04 takes ages to boot, especially when loading kde
[03:21] <slackern> Woody_, im not entirely familiar with grub but i would think you can copy from where it says "title" and way down to _before_ it says "savedefault" and use that and just add it as a new entry with those options
[03:22] <Woody_> wowowowowowwow slackern, be easy with me man lol
[03:22] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: are you using the 'nv' driver?
[03:22] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Ilokaasu, know that I can't help you, but just out of curiousity, is it making it to the login screen at least?
[03:23] <gerry_> Ilokassu: look at your ip address setup for eth0 etc
[03:23] <slackern> title root kernel initrd - those are the lines you need i belive
[03:23] <slackern> lol
[03:23] <eagles0513875> im using default one that was installed
[03:23] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: what video card do you have?
[03:23] <Woody_> slackern: i will be right back in 1 minute
[03:23] <slackern> Woody_, hehe the file i am talking about i should mention too perhaps :)
[03:23] <slackern> Woody_, it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:24] <eagles0513875> an evga 6600 gt
[03:24] <eagles0513875> and an nforce 4 motherboard
[03:24] <slackern> Woody_, take note that don't blame me if you can't boot afterwards :)
[03:24] <eagles0513875> an asus a8n sli premium with an amd atholon socket
[03:24] <eagles0513875> socket 939
[03:24] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: i'm only interested in the video card
[03:24] <eagles0513875> ok
[03:24] <Ilokaasu> i can boot normally to desktop but it takes time. After login screen its damn slow
[03:24] <eagles0513875> sry
[03:24] <slackern> Woody_, so better keep your important stuff tucked away somewhere nice :)
[03:24] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: install nvidia-glx
[03:25] <Ilokaasu> and now when im @ desktop, starting programs takes time
[03:25] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: then modify xorg.conf so it's using the 'nvidia' driver instead of 'nv'
[03:25] <arthur> Hi guys, I wonder if it's just me or it's affecting anybody else.
[03:25] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> eh not the same problem some people are having on the forum, then
[03:25] <arthur> Can you watch video in firefox with the totem plugin?
[03:26] <Ilokaasu> i will test one thing
[03:26] <eagles0513875> ok wouldnt installing the binary from nvidia fix that
[03:26] <arthur> The video show just fine in totem but do not start in firefox
[03:26] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: follow my instructions
[03:26] <arthur> It might be FF related but was just wondering
[03:26] <mc44> PriceChild: \o/ Thank you kindly :)
[03:27] <slackern> Woody_, i will try to make a sample file for you just let me know when you get back
[03:27] <mc44> PriceChild: though it is the "Final Candidate' now :)
[03:27] <Woody_> slackern: okay im back
[03:27] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Firefox doesn't offer you a plugin?
[03:27] <mc44> PriceChild: cheers
[03:28] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> that mean there's a pretty good chance of it bein' released on the 19th? :)
[03:28] <slackern> Woody_, can you run 'cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep UUID' and paste it on pastebin?
[03:28] <slackern> !pastebin
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[03:28] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> pastebin accused me of spamming earlier -_-
[03:29] <gerry_> lol
[03:29] <tatters> Does anyone what package is required to get the ----->GtkGLExt Python bindings.
[03:29] <Woody_> yes sure
[03:29] <Woody_> slackern: yes sure
[03:29] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> (javascript's enabled and everything :x)
[03:29] <Woody_> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: me too :S
[03:30] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> ><
[03:30] <_4strO> Woody_: paste the entire file ;)
[03:30] <slackern> Woody_, you could just paste /boot/grub/menu.lst at pastebin otherwise
[03:30] <slackern> hehe
[03:31] <_4strO> :p
[03:31] <Woody_> slackern: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16119/
[03:31] <gerry_> best hardware recommend for ubuntu?
[03:31] <Ilokaasu> I just disabled the other network connection that i dont use, now this works normally...weird :P
[03:31] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> hope my hardware can take Feisty + Beryl :o
[03:31] <_4strO> mine does :)
[03:31] <slackern> Woody_, ok will have a look at it and see what i can make :)
[03:32] <mc44> gerry_: things with open source drivers :p
[03:32] <Woody_> okay slackern
[03:32] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> my computer's not ancient, but it ain't stellar :p
[03:32] <gerry_> Ilokaasu: if you have a static address, not use dhcp
[03:32] <gerry_> dhcp is slow
[03:33] <slackern> Woody_, You had windows installed also?
[03:34] <slackern> I will paste the file to pastebin for you then you can see the changes and made and see what i ment so you can copy/paste into your file
[03:34] <Woody_> slackern:  yes
[03:34] <Woody_> i have winxp installed on another partition slackern
[03:35] <gerry_> CPU:E6300 MBABIT
[03:35] <anto_> Heya, what LIB do i need to install if i want to listen to mp3 files on rhythmbox ??
[03:35] <mc44> anto_: are you on feisty?
[03:35] <slackern> Woody_, maybe best if you send the entire menu.lst file to pastebin
[03:35] <anto_> Yes
[03:35] <zaggynl> Someone in here uses the CA0106 soundcard? I can't get microphone capture to work
[03:35] <_4strO> !codecs | anto_
[03:35] <ubotu> anto_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:35] <mc44> anto_: it should automatically install them when you run an mp3 then
[03:35] <Woody_> yeah sure slackern
[03:36] <Woody_> how can i access my menu.lst lol
[03:36] <slackern> you got a terminal open?
[03:36] <Woody_> yeah
[03:36] <anto_> okidoki
[03:36] <Woody_> i do slackern
[03:36] <slackern> gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:36] <_4strO> Woody_: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:37] <Woody_> ok done
[03:37] <Woody_> now im pastebinning it
[03:37] <slackern> okies
[03:37] <_4strO> Woody_: dont
[03:37] <gerry_> how about:  CPU intel E6300; Abit aw9d-max MB; ati x1950 gt video; apacer ddr2 800 2G  for ubuntu?
[03:37] <mstrzele> better use gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:37] <Woody_> _4strO:  why?
[03:38] <_4strO> just do a : sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.bak
[03:38] <_4strO> this will make a back up of the original file
[03:38] <Woody_> i did it
[03:38] <Woody_> i didnt get anything
[03:38] <Woody_> ah okay
[03:39] <Woody_> so im going to paste bin the menu.lst to slackern
[03:39] <_4strO> past the entire file
[03:39] <Woody_> yes
[03:39] <slackern> Woody_, aye, the 'sudo gedit' is used to let you write to the file, right now it's just opened but you can't save changes to the file
[03:39] <eagles0513875> if anyone has an nvidia card let me know i know how to get open gl working rather easily
[03:40] <_4strO> you just have to put a : noacpi somewhere in the file
[03:40] <Woody_> slackern: thats it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16121/
[03:40] <Woody_> _4strO: anywhere? i choose the location?
[03:40] <slackern> _4strO, aye but i wanted to make him a new entry also in case it doesnt work
[03:41] <slackern> acpi=off apm=off  was the options i was going to add
[03:41] <_4strO> mstrzele: ths, i just dont remeber the gnome root launcher command gksu :p
[03:42] <Woody_> slackern: edit it, and send it to me back
[03:42] <mstrzele> n/p ;)
[03:42] <Woody_> slackern: what would be the worst case scenario here?
[03:43] <gerry_> broken your box :)
[03:43] <slackern> that it doesn't start when you select the kernel with NOAPIC that i added for you too choose when you reboot
[03:43] <Woody_> no kidding :S gerry_
[03:43] <slackern> Woody_, then you can just select the old one that you are running now
[03:43] <Woody_> ah okay slackern that is good
[03:43] <slackern> just like choosing windows
[03:43] <Woody_> yeah
[03:44] <eagles0513875> how do i shut down the x server so i can setup my video driver
[03:44] <Woody_> if i remove that acpic (whatever) thing, will i burn my CPU?
[03:44] <Woody_> or will the fans still work?
[03:44] <llutz> eagles0513875: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:44] <slackern> Woody_, you will see what happens, to be honest i don't know :)
[03:45] <Woody_> lol thats scary slackern
[03:45] <eagles0513875> ty lilutz
[03:45] <slackern> but i guess the computer will shut down by itself if it gets to warm then
[03:45] <gerry_> anyways,  laptop no acpi is very bad idea
[03:45] <eagles0513875> it says command not found
[03:45] <Woody_> gerry_: give me some good news lol
[03:45] <eagles0513875> the only way i can install the nvidia driver from nvidia is if the xserver isnt running
[03:45] <_4strO> Woody_: can you type this command in a terminal and paste the result here : dpkg -l | grep acpi
[03:46] <_4strO> Woody_: dont passte
[03:46] <slackern> it was the only suggestion i found on the web also
[03:46] <Woody_> okay _4strO
[03:46] <slackern> i'll hold off giving you the menu.lst in case someone else has an idea before putting your machine into a minefield :)
[03:46] <_4strO> Woody_: have you some ii in front of the lines where acpi, acpid are
[03:47] <Woody_> what _4strO?
[03:47] <Woody_> yeah
[03:47] <Woody_> il send you the pastebin
[03:47] <gerry_> just disable acpid system service in your system services config, why tweak your grub menu?
[03:48] <Woody_> here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16124/
[03:48] <slackern> gerry_, ahh that might work also, i have about 0 knowledge about the thermal/powersaving stuff on laptops
[03:48] <_4strO> Woody_: ok
[03:49] <slackern> gerry_, that will do the same thing i guess?
[03:49] <Woody_> gerry_: what have you got? lol
[03:49] <jpsamara> is 20060415 final isos ? Once aproved they are the same as final?
[03:50] <gerry_> still opening,  many people are opening that page now,i think
[03:50] <Woody_> guys, i dont care how the thing should be.... all what i care is that i want my system to stay healthy and run ubuntu with joy :D
[03:51] <_4strO> Woody_: i cant help on system settings in gnome
[03:52] <derek[] > people, the printer on a LAN is working. It is also a scanner. How to scan from it?
[03:52] <_4strO> gerry_: can u ? (sorry i'm on Kubuntu)
[03:52] <gerry_> in kvm, i always run my winxdp VM with --no-acpi option, but my box isn't laptop, so i don't know whether it will burn  CPU on laptop  :)
[03:52] <slackern> I belive it's in system-administration-services
[03:53] <Woody_> gerry_: you are scaring me
[03:53] <slackern> i can see apmd and acpid in there atleast
[03:54] <Woody_> the CPU that i have is Mobile Technology, i think that  acpi is essential for it
[03:54] <_4strO> gerry_: on my laptop (under KDE) the process acpid isnt running
[03:54] <dystopianray> Woody_: acpi is essential for power management
[03:54] <Woody_> dystopianray: yeah, my CPU needs that power management a lot. since it is mobile technology
[03:54] <Woody_> it is small in size
[03:55] <dystopianray> Woody_: your issue sounds like a kernel bug
[03:55] <mstrzele> jpsamara: 20070415 is the Release Candidate isos
[03:56] <slackern> fun thing is that i am using a mobile processor in my stationary system too :p
[03:56] <Woody_> dystopianray: a format and reinstallation can fix that?
[03:56] <dystopianray> Woody_: no
[03:56] <slackern> model name      : Unknown CPU Type :p
[03:56] <Woody_> slackern: a really? lol
[03:56] <dystopianray> Woody_: that is not going to fix the bug
[03:56] <Woody_> yeah dystopianray
[03:56] <slackern> hehe aye it's an athlon xp-m processor i slapped in here
[03:56] <Woody_> i always have a bad luck :(
[03:56] <dystopianray> Woody_: do you have any acip releated errors in dmesg?
[03:57] <Woody_> wowowwow, easy lol
[03:57] <Woody_> let me check
[03:57] <dystopianray> acpi i mean
[03:57] <jpsamara> mstrzele: but I think since there won't be an official RC they are considering it for final if there are no showstoppers
[03:57] <slackern> 'dmesg | grep acpi' should show?
[03:57] <dystopianray> slackern: dmesg | grep -i acpi
[03:57] <Woody_> [    4.116000]  Time: acpi_pm clocksource has been installed.
[03:57] <Woody_> [   32.948000]  ibm_acpi: ec object not found
[03:57] <Woody_> [   33.304000]  pcc_acpi: loading...
[03:57] <dystopianray> Woody_: don't paste it in here
[03:58] <Woody_> its just 3 lines
[03:58] <dystopianray> Woody_: pastebin the output of $ dmesg | grep -i acpi
[03:58] <gerry_> Woody: try disable acpid system sevice and reboot in ubuntu, see how it works, if you worry your cpu, then renable it
[03:58] <Woody_> okay
[03:58] <slackern> haha omg my acpi in dmesg was a bit more than 3 lines :p
[03:59] <_4strO> mione 6
[03:59] <dystopianray> slackern: he didn't do a case insensitive grep
[03:59] <_4strO> mine*
[04:00] <Woody_> dystopianray: http://paste.uni.cc/14647
[04:01] <anto_> Thanks guys for the mp3 format codecs but can i have some help with WMA codecs too?
[04:01] <dystopianray> Woody_: looks normal
[04:01] <dystopianray> anto_: wma3?
[04:02] <_4strO> anto_: they are in w32codecs
[04:02] <Woody_> dystopianray: mmm
[04:03] <spheard> hi, Ive had my MBR wiped out by bloody vista, Im trying to use $sudo grub-install to reinstate it but its asking for a device sda0 and sda1 dont do it. Im using edgy
[04:03] <Woody_> slackern: your mobile cpu has the acpi disabled and running normally?
[04:03] <CapaH> After installing the latest version of Ubuntu, how can I see (via uname for example) what version of Ubuntu I am running? uname -a just says Linux
[04:03] <dystopianray> spheard: just use sda
[04:04] <_4strO> CapaH: lsb_release -a
[04:04] <dystopianray> spheard: it wants the whole device, not a partition
[04:04] <gerry_> anto:    does totem can't find codecs for you?
[04:04] <dystopianray> spheard: also this isn't the edgy help channel
[04:04] <anto_> _4str0: uhm can i have a bit more information :S?
[04:04] <_4strO> anto_: like what ?
[04:04] <slackern> Woody_, well my motherboard doesn't even identy my processor correctly nor has the options to utilize those things :)
[04:04] <anto_> how do i install the w32codecs?
[04:04] <Woody_> lol slackern
[04:05] <_4strO> anto_: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[04:05] <Woody_> slackern: what do you think i should do now?
[04:05] <slackern> When i boot up it just shows up as Unknown cpu :)
[04:05] <Woody_> slackern: should i take the risk?
[04:05] <anto_> what
[04:05] <anto_> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:05] <anto_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:05] <anto_> is only available from another source
[04:05] <anto_> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[04:05] <dystopianray> Woody_: you should not
[04:05] <anto_> sorry for the spamm
[04:05] <mc44> anto_: its not in the main reops
[04:05] <Woody_> slackern: if the CPU heats up a lot, does it turn off automatically or displays me an error or something? ah dystopianray :(
[04:06] <mc44> anto_: try the medibuntu repos
[04:06] <dystopianray> Woody_: no idea
[04:06] <slackern> Woody_, well if it was me, i would try, if the fans don't spinn up then you know and the hardware should shut down the machine also if it gets to warm
[04:06] <gerry_> Woody:   have you ever tried dos?
[04:06] <dystopianray> Woody_: why would you want that anyway?
[04:06] <anto_> mc44 witch are?
[04:06] <Woody_> yes Woody_
[04:06] <gerry_> dos no acpi support
[04:06] <Woody_> yes gerry_
[04:06] <slackern> Woody_, but to be honest i don't know if _your_ machine will behave like that
[04:06] <Woody_> how can i disable the acpi?
[04:06] <mc44> anto_: you on i386?
[04:07] <dystopianray> slackern: are you sure you have no acpi? you're booting with 'noacpi' ?
[04:07] <Woody_> can you edit for me slackern?
[04:07] <dystopianray> slackern: or acpi=off or whatever it is?
[04:07] <anto_> i don't think so i'm runing x64
[04:07] <slackern> dystopianray, it's on right now, i just disabled the services but haven't rebooted
[04:07] <dystopianray> slackern: acpid is not essential for acpi operation
[04:07] <mc44> anto_: ah, I dont think many codecs work with x64
[04:07] <gerry_> click your system menu
[04:07] <mc44> anto_: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/pool/feisty/non-free/amd64/w64codecs_20061203-0medibuntu1_amd64.deb
[04:07] <gerry_> and system management
[04:08] <slackern> dystopianray, i just got those things from the forum where someone had similar problems as woody with kacpid taking up all the cpu
[04:08] <_4strO> there is w64codecs too ;)
[04:08] <_4strO> oups win64codecs
[04:08] <anto_> yeah i just found tthat too
[04:08] <slackern> dystopianray, he was using a desktop system though and after he applied that the machine worked fine
[04:08] <dystopianray> _4strO: anto_ win64codecs does not do wma
[04:09] <dystopianray> slackern: after turning off acpid?
[04:09] <slackern> dystopianray, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399619&highlight=kacpid here you can read yourself
[04:09] <_4strO> dystopianray: dont know i have the 32
[04:09] <Woody_> slackern: im going to take the risk right now
[04:09] <Woody_> just tell me how to remove the apid (disable it)
[04:09] <Woody_> acpid*
[04:09] <mc44> _4strO: but the 64 package is 200k, the 386 package is 14mb
[04:09] <mc44> _4strO: I think there are many missing
[04:10] <dystopianray> Woody_: turning off acpid is no risk, it's just a daemon that responds to acpi events
[04:10] <_4strO> probably
[04:10] <dystopianray> Woody_: sudo /etc/init.d/acpid stop
[04:10] <gerry_> system-system management-sevices-X acpid
[04:10] <Woody_> how can i re-enable it?
[04:10] <dystopianray> Woody_: replace stop with start
[04:10] <_4strO> Woody_: :p
[04:11] <Woody_> ah lol
[04:11] <gerry_> sudo /etc/init.d/acpid start
[04:11] <dystopianray> Woody_: that isn't disabling it though, it's just turning it off, it'll come back when you next reboot
[04:11] <_4strO> you can also restart it by replace start by restart ;p
[04:12] <Woody_> ah
[04:12] <Woody_> but thats good
[04:12] <Woody_> i can try it though
[04:12] <Woody_> if it doesnt work, and i still have the same problem i just reboot
[04:12] <Woody_> and i get back to the old settings
[04:12] <Woody_> right?
[04:12] <gerry_> system-system management-sercie-X acpid will disable acpid in next reboot
[04:13] <Woody_> i dont want to disable it for eternity
[04:13] <dystopianray> Woody_: you don't need to reboot, just start the daemon again
[04:13] <Woody_> i just want to try it right now
[04:13] <slackern> *poof*
[04:14] <slackern> o_O
[04:14] <Woody_> if i open a terminal right now and i type in:     sudo /etc/init.d/acpid stop
[04:14] <Woody_> does it stop directly? or i should reboot?
[04:14] <slackern> it stops at once then
[04:14] <gerry_> immediatly
[04:15] <Woody_> so if i press it, is there a possibility that the fans will stop working?
[04:15] <dystopianray> Woody_: no
[04:15] <dystopianray> Woody_: acpid is only a daemon taht responds to acpi events, it is not requied for acpi operation
[04:15] <gerry_> lol
[04:15] <Woody_> then no need to do it
[04:16] <dystopianray> Woody_: just hurry up and stop it already
[04:16] <slackern> I hereby doub this day acpid day
[04:16] <Woody_> lol slackern
[04:16] <Woody_> i want to REMOVEEEEEE THE THING THAT IS SLOWING MY SYSTEMMMM
[04:17] <Woody_> what should i do so i do it right now
[04:17] <Woody_> i dont want my CPU
[04:17] <Woody_> and i dont care if it will burn
[04:17] <Woody_> lol i just want to do it
[04:17] <_4strO> there is also an acpi-support process
[04:17] <dystopianray> Woody_: add this to your kernel boot arguments 'acpi=off'
[04:17] <slackern> well i will reboot, just disabled my stuff, brb i hope
[04:17] <billy> Anyone elses apt broken?  I'm getting, "Unable to lock list directory".
[04:18] <Woody_> dystopianray: where should i add it??
[04:18] <gerry_> billy: are you root?
[04:18] <Woody_> menu.lst?
[04:18] <dystopianray> Woody_: yes
[04:18] <Woody_> anywhere?
[04:18] <billy> gerry_, I'm adding sudo before command.  I thought that was how I became root.
[04:18] <dystopianray> Woody_: on the kernel arguments for whichever kernel you're booting
[04:19] <Woody_> i opened menu.lst
[04:19] <gerry_> billy: or you open another apt process at the same time?
[04:19] <dystopianray> Woody_: which kernel are you using? -15.27 ?
[04:19] <billy> gerry_, no.
[04:20] <Woody_> how can i know?
[04:20] <Woody_> why does linux make headaches
[04:20] <dystopianray> Woody_: uname -r
[04:20] <Woody_> 2.6.20-15-generic
[04:20] <billy> gerry_, but, yeah, it's reading as if I had Synaptic open or something.
[04:20] <dystopianray> Woody_: stop complaining and just follow instructions
[04:21] <Woody_> i can not see a "27" in 2.6.20-15-generic
[04:21] <gerry_> woody:  run sudo /etc/init.d/acpid stop and see whether your problem will be solved and decide next howto
[04:21] <gerry_> billy:  try close Synaptic
[04:21] <dystopianray> Woody_: find that line that starts like this "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic ...
[04:21] <gerry_> and try again
[04:21] <billy> gerry_, I haven't opened Synaptic.
[04:22] <Woody_> ok
[04:22] <slackern> wow that was thrilling
[04:22] <billy> gerry_, I said "It's reading *AS IF* Synaptic were open.:"
[04:22] <gerry_> hmm
[04:22] <slackern> absolutely nothing happend except i have no kacpid now ;(
[04:22] <dystopianray> slackern: you booted with acpi=off?
[04:23] <gerry_> try top look at your processes
[04:23] <slackern> dystopianray, aye with acpi=off and apm=off
[04:23] <Woody_> okay dystopianray, i found it
[04:23] <dystopianray> Woody_: add this to the end 'acpi=off'
[04:23] <dystopianray> Woody_: it'll look like 'ro quiet splash acpi=off'
[04:23] <slackern> dystopianray, alot less spam with dmesg | grep -i acpi now too
[04:24] <Woody_> there are many: "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic ..." there are about 4
[04:24] <dystopianray> Woody_: well add it to all of them
[04:24] <_4strO> dystopianray: mm
[04:24] <_4strO> just the first will be enough
[04:24] <_4strO> just in case ;)
[04:25] <Woody_> i will add it to teh first one
[04:25] <dystopianray> Woody_: ok, that should be good enough
[04:25] <Woody_> okay
[04:25] <Woody_> i save?
[04:25] <slackern> Woody_,  it should be like this one http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16129/
[04:26] <dystopianray> Woody_: yes, save and reboot
[04:26] <slackern> exact order doesn't matter
[04:26] <billy> gerry_, well, a reboot did the trick.  must've been some rogue process or something.
[04:26] <gerry_> haha
[04:27] <CrippledCanary> Can anyone here tell me the status of vmware 5.5.x on feisty?
[04:28] <gerry_> why use vmware?
[04:29] <dystopianray> gerry_: for virtualisation
[04:29] <lolman> Who wants to have to reboot to use another OS?
[04:29] <gerry_> what will you  do with virualisation?
[04:29] <CrippledCanary> cause i have a lot of different vm:s in vmware and it's a corporate standard.
[04:30] <Woody_> i am going to send you my menu.lst so you can check it before i reboot
[04:30] <Woody_> okay guys?
[04:30] <dystopianray> Woody_: oh bloody hell, just acpi=off at the end and reboot, it's not ahrd
[04:30] <dystopianray> just put
[04:30] <gerry_> CrippledCanary: try kvm
[04:30] <Woody_> i added a new thing in there
[04:30] <dystopianray> Woody_: why?
[04:30] <Woody_> the one that slackern gave me
[04:30] <CrippledCanary> gerry_:  I will try kvm but have to use vmware anyway.
[04:30] <dystopianray> Woody_: what was it?
[04:31] <lolman> gerry_, what if someone only has 1 machine and want to use multiple OS's at the same time?
[04:31] <dystopianray> gerry_: CrippledCanary kvm needs hardware virualisation support
[04:31] <gerry_> yes
[04:31] <lolman> And there's that too :)
[04:31] <Woody_> one moment
[04:31] <Dr_willis> I use vmware all the time to test out Other disrtos. and live cd's - darn handy for testing live cd images.
[04:31] <CrippledCanary> Has anyone any info about vmware on feisty
[04:31] <Woody_> dystopianray: check it for me please: http://paste.uni.cc/14648
[04:32] <Dr_willis> CrippledCanary,  at the moment.. i cant get it working. :)
[04:32] <CrippledCanary> Ok..
[04:32] <lolman> Darn good for running a Hackintosh on too
[04:32] <Dr_willis> CrippledCanary,  not tried Virtialbox yet on feisty
[04:32] <CrippledCanary> Have to do my own testing then.
[04:32] <dystopianray> Woody_: what else did you add?
[04:32] <Woody_> thats it
[04:32] <dystopianray> Woody_: well reboot
[04:33] <Woody_> okay thanks
[04:33] <Woody_> bye bye
[04:33] <Woody_> im going to reboot now
[04:33] <Woody_> bye
[04:34] <gerry_> kvm -m 500  winxp.img
[04:34] <jussi01> hi all, Anyone know what the ctrl alt del package is called?
[04:34] <gerry_> that's it, very easy
[04:34] <lolman> 500mb for winxp??
[04:34] <gerry_> yes
[04:34] <lolman> What kind of slimmed down hybrid you running?
[04:35] <lolman> Base XP install uses 1.5GB
[04:35] <dystopianray> lolman: that's memory not hdd size
[04:35] <lolman> Aha :P
[04:35] <gerry_> lolman: that's for mem, not harddisk spaces
[04:35] <lolman> gerry_, I know that now :D
[04:37] <gerry_> it's much easy than vmware, it's lightweight vm solution and built into linux kernel
[04:37] <gerry_> i dislike vmware and vmare will install much spams in my box
[04:38] <Woody_> i love you guys
[04:38] <gerry_> Woody_:  how about now?
[04:38] <Woody_> (Y)
[04:38] <dystopianray> Woody_: you have no power management now
[04:38] <Woody_> working smoothly now :)
[04:39] <dystopianray> Woody_: you're system is going to get hot and the battery is going to drain quickly
[04:39] <Woody_> lol i know that dystopianray
[04:39] <dystopianray> your
[04:39] <Woody_> dystopianray: but the fans are still working
[04:39] <dystopianray> Woody_: the fans are not acpi controlled
[04:39] <gerry_> lol
[04:39] <Woody_> can i see the temperature of the CPU?
[04:40] <dystopianray> Woody_: not without acpi
[04:40] <Woody_> ah :(
[04:40] <Woody_> so im killing my cpu with my own hands
[04:40] <dystopianray> Woody_: with acpi you just type 'acpi -t' and there is your cpu temp
[04:41] <Woody_> ah
[04:41] <Woody_> mmm
[04:41] <Woody_> when will the thing be fixed?
[04:41] <lolman> No support for device type: thermal <oops :P
[04:42] <gerry_> open your box and move your hand on your cpu, then you will know its' temp
[04:42] <dystopianray> lolman: are you on a laptop?
[04:42] <lolman> Nope
[04:42] <lolman> Desktop :)
[04:42] <dystopianray> lolman: that's why
[04:42] <lolman> Hehe
[04:42] <Woody_> lol ill get a 3rd degree burning gerry_ :D
[04:42] <lolman> I just use gkrellm anyway
[04:42] <Woody_> i can fry egs on my CPU now :D
[04:43] <Woody_> eggs*
[04:43] <dystopianray> Woody_: 3rd degree burn is not too bad, it won't hurt
[04:43] <Woody_> okay hehe dystopianray
[04:43] <dystopianray> Woody_: it'll kill your pain receptors and you won't feel anything
[04:43] <Woody_> i should see how the countdown timer of my CPU before it dies
[04:44] <Woody_> dystopianray: are you a doctor sir? lol
[04:44] <dystopianray> Woody_: no that should be common knowledge
[04:44] <slackern> dystopianray, what about apm? what does that one do?
[04:44] <Woody_> yeah i know, im just kidding
[04:44] <dystopianray> slackern: that's an older power management standard, all modern machines use acpi
[04:44] <slackern> dystopianray, ahh
[04:45] <slackern> dystopianray, so it's just there for backwards compability then
[04:45] <dystopianray> slackern: it's there to support devices that do apm
[04:46] <gerry_> apm is advance power administation
[04:46] <lolman> Advanced Power Management ;)
[04:46] <gerry_> oh
[04:46] <lolman> ACPI is a lot better though :)
[04:46] <gerry_> i'm not english native speaker
[04:47] <Woody_> dystopianray: if the CPU becomes so hot.... the computer freezes?
[04:47] <dystopianray> Woody_: I don't know
[04:47] <Woody_> ACPI is bad for me lolman
[04:47] <lolman> Woody_, depends on the CPU mainly
[04:47] <slackern> It should throttle down to lower speeds
[04:47] <dystopianray> slackern: not without acpi
[04:47] <Woody_> yeah
[04:47] <Woody_> but it is superbly fast now
[04:47] <Vanuatoo> I've tried latest nightly livecd and it works fine on my asus p5b deluxe. Congrats to ubuntu team for being the first linux able to boot on my computer. And I'm really impressed by the speed and performance of ubuntu. And it's only livecd
[04:47] <slackern> dystopianray, i thought that was built into the hardware
[04:47] <lolman> Some CPUs freeze, some let themselves fry
[04:47] <dystopianray> Vanuatoo: are you the guy who had the ICH8 hardware?
[04:47] <Woody_> lolman:
[04:47] <Woody_> hahaha
[04:48] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray: Yeah we've talked yesterday
[04:48] <dystopianray> slackern: I don't believe so
[04:48] <gerry_> woody_:  reboot into bios look at your cpu temp
[04:48] <lolman> If your laptop has an Intel CPU it'll just freeze if it gets too hot :)
[04:48] <Woody_> it doesnt show gerry_
[04:48] <Woody_> lolman: yeah mine is Intel
[04:48] <Woody_> till now its okay
[04:48] <lolman> It shouldn't kill itself then :)
[04:48] <Woody_> hehe
[04:48] <dystopianray> Vanuatoo: have you installed feisty yet?
[04:49] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray: I'm waiting for the final release
[04:49] <Woody_> how do i install my printer? i have a Lexmark Z32
[04:49] <Vanuatoo> I will do that then
[04:49] <lolman> A lot of AMDs just keep going and fry themselves lol
[04:49] <dystopianray> Vanuatoo: the latest nightly is a candidate for the final release
[04:49] <dystopianray> Vanuatoo: there may not be any changes
[04:50] <slackern> lolman, good thing i cloaked my cpu then, so my machine just see it as unknown cpu :)
[04:50] <Vanuatoo> dystopianray: I know but anyway 3 days left
[04:50] <lolman> slackern, hehe
[04:50] <slackern> lolman, abit refuses to make a bios which contains the cpu id for mobile processors on this motherboard
[04:50] <lolman> slackern, yuck :(
[04:51] <hylje> gaaah
[04:51] <lolman> My motherboard was like that when I got iy
[04:51] <lolman> it*
[04:51] <hylje> dns is partially borked
[04:51] <hylje> link to a public ns, please
[04:51] <slackern> lolman, wrote to them asking about it and they just said that the processor i have been using for 2 years now without problems doesn't work on this motherboard :p
[04:51] <dystopianray> hylje: 4.2.2.1
[04:51] <lolman> slackern, hahah
[04:51] <hylje> i suppose i should have known that
[04:51] <dystopianray> slackern: that is just a standard response
[04:51] <hylje> ty
[04:51] <Vanuatoo> I will bare with windows 3 days
[04:52] <Woody_> dystopianray: how can i get the driver for my printer?
[04:52] <dystopianray> Vanuatoo: at least be sure to compare the md5sum of the iso you have now to the final to check if there are any changes
[04:52] <dystopianray> Woody_: I don't know
[04:52] <slackern> dystopianray, aye i guess i had my hopes up a bit to much to get a normal answer from someone technicaly knowledgable there
[04:52] <Woody_> okay no problem dystopianray
[04:53] <dystopianray> slackern: it doesn't matter what the bios thinks anyway, it doesn't affect anything but the name that is displayed on boot
[04:53] <hylje> hm, the nameserver list is not where i expected it to be
[04:53] <slackern> dystopianray, aye i know that, just annoying to see unknown cpu :)
[04:53] <Woody_> how can i get the mp3 and other codecs?
[04:54] <lolman> hylje, you mean it's not at /etc/resolv.conf? :P
[04:54] <hylje> ah
[04:55] <slackern> Woody_, i just opened a mp3 file in rhytmbox and it downloaded it for me
[04:55] <Woody_> ah ok
[04:55] <Woody_> ill try it now
[04:55] <slackern> Woody_, same with movies
[04:55] <Dr_willis> slackern,  heh - i was impressed that it did that also.
[04:55] <slackern> Dr_willis, i was looking around first then i saw a new window pop up i never seen before *gasp*
[04:55] <lolman> Dr_willis, seconded
[04:56] <slackern> thats exactly the way it should work
[04:56] <slackern> tried out kde a little too and amarok did the same there
[04:56] <Woody_> what is the best P2P software for ubuntu?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> Amarok also seems to do the same :)
[04:56] <dystopianray> Woody_: for which network?
[04:56] <jussi01> Woody_, torrent or what type?
[04:57] <slackern> Woody_, i like deluge, but i downloaded and compiled it since the one in  feisty is so outdated
[04:57] <Dr_willis> well at least Amarok is trying to do it.. it seems to have Hung . :(
[04:57] <slackern> Dr_willis, oh, hmm here it worked fine
[04:57] <Woody_> not torrent
[04:57] <dystopianray> Woody_: which network do you want?
[04:57] <Woody_> can i have limewire on ubuntu?
[04:58] <dystopianray> Woody_: it probably runs in wine
[04:58] <CapaH> This is kind of a funny question... I have finished installing Feisty Fawn, my question is ---- it doesn't look too different, what is different about it? i.e. where can I go to say to myself "Ah this is improved"
[04:58] <Woody_> i dont have an answer to your question dystopianray
[04:58] <Dr_willis> slackern,  it may of been that i had other apt-stuff going on in the BG.
[04:59] <Dr_willis> Limewire is a java app. it works under linux.
[04:59] <Dr_willis> !limewire
[04:59] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[04:59] <jussi01> yep
[04:59] <Dr_willis> I perfer FrostWire
[04:59] <slackern> !frostwire
[04:59] <jussi01> frostwire is better
[04:59] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:59] <Woody_> yeah
[04:59] <Woody_> ill try frostwire
[05:01] <Dr_willis> Hmm. RythmBox is playing my mp3's but amarok is not.
[05:01] <dystopianray> Dr_willis: install libxine-extracodecs
[05:01] <slackern> Dr_willis, i had to run amarok in kde the first time for it to download codecs
[05:01] <Dr_willis> dystopianray,  yea.. its asking to 'install mp3 support' but its hanging. :(
[05:01] <Woody_> thanks slackern, mp3s are working now
[05:01] <dystopianray> Dr_willis: install libxine-extracodecs manually
[05:02] <Dr_willis> i am running in kde :) perhaps the fact that i ran the gnome tools first confused the process
[05:03] <Dr_willis> running amarok foobar.mp3 - made it ask.. AND is now installing the stuff..
[05:03] <Dr_willis> odd.
[05:04] <Woody_> dystopianray: remember yesterday we talked about my vga driver? i replace the nvidia with nv and now im back in there. i read on some forums that Geforce 4 sound dont work with nvidia-glx. so i installed the other one called legacy, i got the same problem with that black screen. you think i should wait for fiesty's final release for it to support the nvidia-glx for my VGA card?
[05:04] <dystopianray> Woody_: it does work with nvidia-glx
[05:04] <dystopianray> Woody_: have you fully updated your feisty?
[05:05] <Woody_> yes sir
[05:05] <lolman> nvidia-glx works with GeForce 4's
[05:05] <mc44> Woody_: and feisty really isnt going to change before release :)
[05:05] <lolman> It's nvidia-glx-new that doesn't :)
[05:05] <Woody_> no lolman
[05:05] <Woody_> i tried it, it doesnt
[05:05] <dystopianray> Woody_: it does, you have some other problem
[05:05] <Woody_> dystopianray: what can it be?
[05:06] <dystopianray> Woody_: I don't know
[05:06] <Woody_> mmm ok dystopianray
[05:06] <mc44> Woody_: what error do you get?
[05:06] <Woody_> i get a black screen with the sound of drums
[05:06] <Woody_> i see a black screen only
[05:06] <Woody_> when i reboot
[05:06] <Woody_> a friend of mine got the same thing
[05:06] <Woody_> same problem
[05:07] <Woody_> i read somewhere on the net that the Geforce 4 doesnt work on Fiesty's nvidia glx since it is still a beta
[05:07] <lolman> Did you run sudo nvidia-xconfig after installing the driver?
[05:07] <Woody_> no lolman
[05:07] <lolman> You need to :)
[05:07] <Woody_> i installed it and restarted the computer
[05:07] <Woody_> i got a black screen
[05:07] <Woody_> ah
[05:07] <lolman> It's using the wrong driver :)
[05:08] <Woody_> nvidia-xconfig can find the correct driver?
[05:08] <lolman> It changes your config file to use the right one :)
[05:08] <Woody_> ahhh
[05:08] <lolman> (nvidia instead of nv)
[05:08] <Do``> hey
[05:08] <Woody_> yeah
[05:08] <Woody_> okay, im going to do it now
[05:09] <Woody_> lolman: are you sure that geforce 4 works with nvidia-glx?
[05:09] <Do``> i'm using ubuntu feisty since beta and i saw that the rc is available. how can i upgrade to it?
[05:09] <lolman> Yes, Woody_
[05:09] <Woody_> okay thanks lolman
[05:09] <mc44> Do``: you should just get update via update manager
[05:09] <slackern> Do``, just using apt-get update upgrade and dist-upgrade should keep you updated to it
[05:09] <slackern> or as mc44 said
[05:09] <Do``> thank you
[05:10] <mc44> Do``: you are proabably already up to date if you have used update manager recently :)
[05:10] <slackern> Woody_ there?
[05:10] <Do``> last night it autoupdated and by the looks of it there is nothing new, so i guess you are right
[05:11] <Woody_> slackern: yes
[05:11] <lolman> In fact, Woody_, if it's a Geforce 4 MX, don't bother, just realised
[05:11] <Woody_> it is a Geforce 4 Go 32MB
[05:11] <slackern> Woody_, just wanted to say that in case the kernel is updated you might need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst to match the new version
[05:11] <lolman> Not sure about the Go, 2 seconds
[05:12] <Woody_> slackern: are you talking about my VGA?
[05:12] <mc44> oh the Go is legacy now isnt it
[05:12] <lolman> Think it is
[05:12] <Woody_> yes mc44, it is the lefacy
[05:12] <Woody_> legacy
[05:12] <slackern> Woody_,  just check which the latest version is and edit the line with the acpi stuff to match the new kernel then
[05:12] <lolman> Woody_, did you install nvidia-glx-legacy?
[05:12] <slackern> Woody_, no the acpi stuff
[05:12] <Woody_> i installed it and rebooted, i got the same exact black screen and with that awful sound (the drums)
[05:13] <Woody_> okay slackern
[05:13] <lolman> Woody_, which package did you install, nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy? You need the legacy one
[05:13] <slackern> Woody_, just wanted to let you know so you don't just get locked up there wondering what is going on in case it happens
[05:13] <mc44> Woody_: the drums are the normal logon sound you know :)
[05:14] <Woody_> yeah
[05:14] <Woody_> nvidia-glx-legacy lolman
[05:14] <lolman> Right, you still need to run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[05:14] <lolman> :)
[05:14] <Woody_> thank you slackern for telling me
[05:14] <Woody_> ah okay lolman
[05:14] <Woody_> i will do that in a moment
[05:14] <Woody_> i am updating my system right now
[05:15] <Woody_> can Windows Media Player work on ubuntu? :P
[05:15] <Woody_> or iTunes
[05:15] <lolman> Woody_, you don't need it :D
[05:15] <Woody_> i want an advanced media player
[05:16] <Woody_> the ones preinstalled in ubuntu are for kids
[05:16] <mc44> there many advanced media player
[05:16] <lolman> !banshee | Woody_
[05:16] <ubotu> Woody_: Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[05:16] <Woody_> wow thanks lolman
[05:16] <lolman> There's a list :D
[05:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. anyone else been using that Google Browser Sync? its like not working for me any more.
[05:16] <jshadias> Dr_willis, it's working fine for me
[05:17] <Dr_willis> jshadias,  odd...
[05:17] <Dr_willis> its like it cant connect to the server.
[05:17] <slackern> bbl
[05:17] <Woody_> lolman: im going to install the legacy and then do the xconfig
[05:18] <lolman> If you have the non-legacy installed remove it first
[05:18] <Woody_> i already removed it
[05:18] <lolman> Okies :)
[05:21] <Woody_> legacy wont work in Beryl/Compiz?
[05:22] <Woody_> lolman: legacy wont work in Beryl/Compiz?
[05:22] <lolman> You'll need to set XGL up but it will, AFAIK
[05:22] <hylje> isnt aiglx kinda less effort?
[05:23] <lolman> hylje, nvidia-glx-legacy
[05:23] <RyanRyan52> does anybody know what time its going to be released?
[05:23] <hylje> lolman: as opposed to xgl?
[05:23] <lolman> hylje, don't think beryl works natively with the legacy driver
[05:23] <Dr_willis> RyanRyan52,  if you are that desperate to get it.. install the beta, then update when its released.
[05:23] <lolman> So xgl will be needed (I think)
[05:23] <RyanRyan52> ok
[05:24] <hylje> lolman: aiglx is a rendering extension to xorg-server, as opposed to xgl which replaces xorg-server outright
[05:24] <lolman> hylje, I know :)
[05:24] <mc44> hylje: yes, but the legacy driver doesnt support it
[05:24] <hylje> k
[05:25] <lolman> Wow my net connection's flaky today
[05:25] <Woody_> will the GeForce 4 driver be converted to nvidia-glx after the release of fiesty final?
[05:26] <lolman> Woody_, the GeForce4 Ti one already is, as for the Go and the MX, no
[05:26] <Woody_> so i cant use Beryl/Compiz? :(
[05:26] <mc44> Woody_: this is nvidias fault not ubuntus
[05:26] <netmon1> did some upgrades and got a new kernel and when it rewrote my grub menu.lst it got rid of my Windows partition because I moved it previously. Can someone help me put it back in?
[05:27] <stefg> !grub
[05:27] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:27] <lolman> !xgl
[05:27] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:28] <Woody_> lolman: so Beryl/Compiz wont work on my PC?
[05:29] <lolman> Woody_, if you set up XGL (link above) then it can
[05:29] <mc44> Woody_: it may work with xgl. you should ask in #ubuntu-effects
[05:31] <Woody_> lolman: i just installed nvidia-glx-legacy
[05:31] <Woody_> what should i do next?
[05:31] <lolman> Woody_, right, run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[05:31] <lolman> That'll set the right driver
[05:31] <Woody_> ok
[05:32] <lolman> Then reboot :)
[05:32] <Woody_> it will set it automatically?
[05:32] <lolman> Woody_, yeah, the driver is set up for you :)
[05:34] <shirish> lolman: can u help me?
[05:34] <netmon1> So will updates really slow down once the final version is released or will they be pretty steady for a while
[05:34] <lolman> shirish, I can try...no real expert though lol
[05:35] <shirish> lolman: well, atleast seem to be better than me :)
[05:35] <shirish> lolman: can u cruise over to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/2:1.9.94-1ubuntu3
[05:35] <shirish> and tell me whether its a binary release or just a source release or what?
[05:36] <lolman> Looks like source
[05:36] <lolman> Yep, it is
[05:36] <mc44> netmon1: they will me less frequent, yes
[05:37] <mc44> *be
[05:37] <skelter> hey - is there a way to install feisty without a CD? ie just download and run something? on a laptop with dapper
[05:37] <shirish> on the contrary, the updates might be less frequent but lot of packages are waiting to push their updates when feisty is outta door
[05:37] <shirish> skelter: there is netboot thing
[05:38] <shirish> lolman: any idea when the .deb would be out?
[05:38] <mc44> skelter: you can update, however you need to go via edgy
[05:38] <lolman> shirish, not a clue, sorry
[05:39] <shirish> lolman: its given as in today's updates https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty but only aptoncd got updated for me
[05:40] <lolman> shirish, how long ago did you do that update? Might be worth trying again
[05:40] <shirish> lolman: I installed the .deb given here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting/+bug/90213 what do u think I'll have to do ?
[05:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,In progress] 
[05:40] <shirish> lolman: about 20 mins. back that was released like 6 hrs. ago
[05:41] <shirish> lolman: I put what I did to install the experimental .deb package on the bug-report itself. It'll help if you take a look
[05:41] <shirish> lolman: and guide me what recourse or action has to be taken
[05:41] <lolman> shirish, I genuinely don't have a clue on this one, as I said...no expert lol
[05:41] <xtknight_school> shirish, i got the new smb guide
[05:42] <shirish> xtknight_school: cool and now if you're who you are then who is xtknight ?
[05:42] <Woody_> can Windows Live Messenger be compiled and used in Fiesty
[05:42] <Woody_> ?
[05:42] <lolman> Woody_, it's a Windows program, and I don't think it runs in WINE, so I would assume no
[05:42] <xtknight_school> shirish: he's at home :P
[05:43] <xtknight_school> shirish: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComprehensiveSambaGuide
[05:43] <xtknight_school> shirish: i'm at school now but xtknight is an idle home
[05:43] <Woody_> lolman: the legacy is working now
[05:43] <lolman> Woody_, great :)
[05:43] <Woody_> but the effects are not :(
[05:43] <Woody_> the desktop effects i mean
[05:43] <lolman> They won't, since XGL isn't installed
[05:43] <shirish> xtknight_school: lol, you should have grabbed him & get him kicked off ;)
[05:43] <Woody_> how can i install XGL?
[05:43] <xtknight_school> shirish lol dont want to now
[05:44] <lolman> Or even just nickserved his butt :P
[05:44] <shirish> lolman: that's what I meant :P
[05:44] <Woody_> lolman: can you re-give me the link you gave me before abou the XGL?
[05:44] <lolman> !xgl | Woody_
[05:44] <ubotu> Woody_: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:44] <Woody_> thank you
[05:45] <omha> hallo
[05:45] <lolman> Don't know if the instructions for Edgy apply to Feisty though
[05:45] <lolman> Been a long time since I used XGL
[05:45] <CapaH> Ok I have a peculiar problem, if I load firefox and I go to vmware.com --- the *entire* OS crashes (either on front page, or subsequent pages) --- has not happened on other sites. The only solution is a hard reboot... Ideas? -- This is on a fresh install of Feisty (iso burned from yesterday's snapshot)
[05:45] <omha> my laptop is dysfunctional and blame ubuntu so i'm going to sue you!!
[05:46] <shirish> xtknight_school: perhaps you should give couple of lines about what do u mean by workgroup & domain
[05:46] <xtknight_school> shirish ahh perhaps.  a domain is more a business type of thing
[05:46] <xtknight_school> shirish i also plan to add stuff about sharing printers (as it supposed to be a Comprehensive guide)
[05:46] <omha> heh, just kidding, my battery is broken and i came to rip out the power cable and my computer crashed
[05:46] <shirish> xtknight_school: that would be a BIG undertaking
[05:47] <shirish> xtknight_school: i do have queries on the printer business, perhaps we can meet after dinner, dinner calls
[05:47] <shirish> @now calcutta
[05:47] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 17 2007, 21:17:21 - Current meeting: Kernel Team
[05:47] <omha> i was using my ssh keys in a ssh session and the key was cached, but now when i try to connect to the host the ssh client just stands there
[05:48] <omha> my keyring works fine
[05:48] <omha> but i can't ssh :(
[05:49] <omha> i think my ssh key is corrupted or something
[05:49] <xtknight_school> shirish: what do you mean?
[05:49] <xtknight_school> shirish: yeah ill be home later i can talk about it
[05:49] <shirish> sure, see u soon
[05:50] <bobbob1016> I'm not sure if this question should go here, or the ubuntu channel, but no one is answering there, is there a program that will backup my current edgy to a file, incase the feisty upgrade doesn't work well?
[05:50] <xtknight_school> shirish in a few hours for me
[05:53] <CapaH> I am using an ATI X800 XT graphics card, apparently Feisty is crashing from time to time as a result -- There is an application called "Envy" which promises to fix this, but is available for Edgy (not Feisty) -- is it safe to install this on Feisty or will something that is an Edgy package just not work on Feisty?
[05:55] <concept10> CapaH, it depends on the libraries it uses.  It would proabably work, since Feisty has newer libs.  But, if I were you, I would bypass that application and find out what it really does.  I.E. Does it make a certain tweak to your xorg.conf?
[05:56] <CapaH> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[05:56] <mc44> CapaH: no, I would not use that on feisty
[05:57] <Woody_> Windows has Notepad (.txt) and ubuntu has????
[05:57] <adamy> Vi
[05:57] <Woody_> adamy: you're talking to me?
[05:57] <concept10> CapaH, tell the guy to package a feisty version, or compile it yourself
[05:57] <adamy> Woody_: Yup
[05:57] <mc44> Woody_: applications -> accessories -> text editor
[05:57] <meff> <3 vi
[05:57] <mc44> Woody_: its called gedit
[05:58] <lolman> Woody_, for someone new to Linux, gedit or nano
[05:58] <adamy> Woody_: I love gedit
[05:58] <concept10> Im trying to figure out why my system has these wacom-tools installed
[05:59] <adamy> Did anyone know if the O2Micro Card reader supported in Feisty ?
[05:59] <adamy> I knew that Ti and Rocoh are supported
[06:05] <xtknight_school> o2micro?
[06:05] <xtknight_school> i think so
[06:05] <adamy> Mmmm
[06:06] <adamy> When I insert my SD Card + MS Card in , dmesg or fdisk doesn't show any change
[06:06] <xtknight_school> lspci -v
[06:06] <xtknight_school> find it in there and see what it says
[06:06] <adamy> lspci shows the hardware
[06:06] <xtknight_school> sudo lshw | less
[06:06] <xtknight_school> see if there's a driver loaded
[06:11] <adamy> http://forum.ubuntuclub.com/index.php/topic,196.0.html - I posted the result here
[06:13] <xtknight_school> adamy what about the "sudo lshw" output for the o2micro in question?
[06:13] <xtknight_school> actually just type "lsusb"
[06:15] <shirish> xtknight_school: hi, i'm back
[06:15] <heanol_> I installed the xfonts-terminus package but i can't seem to select the terminus font in any gnome-dialog, though it exists in xfontsel. Anyone know the cause?
[06:15] <heanol_> Used to work fine.
[06:16] <xtknight_school> shirish i wont be home for quite a while and the hour is almost over
[06:16] <shirish> ok, so when do u want me to ping u back?
[06:16] <xtknight_school> shirish i'll be here in about 3.5 hours maybe
[06:17] <shirish> ok I'll just pm u for a sec.
[06:17] <adamy>           clock: 33MHz
[06:17] <adamy> :
[06:17] <adamy>         *-system:0 UNCLAIMED
[06:17] <adamy> :
[06:17] <adamy>              description: System peripheral
[06:17] <adamy> :
[06:17] <adamy>              product: 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller
[06:17] <adamy> :
[06:17] <adamy>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[06:17] <adamy> :
[06:17] <adamy>              physical id: 0.1
[06:17] <adamy> :
[06:17] <adamy>              bus info: pci@00:00.1
[06:17] <jussi01> !paste | adamy
[06:17] <ubotu> adamy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:17] <adamy> :
[06:17] <adamy>              version: 02
[06:17] <adamy> :
[06:17] <adamy>              width: 32 bits
[06:17] <adamy> :
[06:17] <adamy>              clock: 33MHz
[06:17] <adamy> :
[06:17] <adamy>              capabilities: bus_master
[06:18] <adamy> :
[06:18] <adamy>              configuration: latency=0
[06:18] <adamy> :
[06:18] <adamy>         *-system:1 UNCLAIMED
[06:18] <hylje> .
[06:18] <adamy> :
[06:18] <adamy>              description: System peripheral
[06:18] <adamy> :
[06:18] <adamy>              product: 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller
[06:18] <adamy> :
[06:18] <adamy>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[06:18] <adamy> :
[06:18] <CaptainApathy> hm..does anyone know if the fglrx driver will be added to the repo anytime soon for the new kernel?  The most current one is for the 20-13 kernel...
[06:18] <adamy>              physical id: 0.3
[06:18] <adamy> :
[06:18] <adamy> Oh sorry
[06:18] <adamy> Wrong one
[06:18] <jussi01> !paste | adamy
[06:18] <ubotu> adamy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:18] <CaptainApathy> hahaha so not only does he spam the channel, he spams the wrong thing... :P
[06:18] <jussi01> incase you misseed it :P
[06:18] <xopher> :D
[06:19] <xtknight_school> lol
[06:19] <adamy> I didn't mean to paste it here ... just wanna put it on the web forum ... Hehehe
[06:19] <heanol_> I installed the xfonts-terminus package but i can't seem to select the terminus font in any gnome-dialog, though it exists in xfontsel. Anyone know the cause?
[06:19] <xtknight_school> adamy hrmm that doesnt look like the Microcard reader ;P
[06:19] <adamy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16146/ Here is the one from lsusb
[06:20] <xtknight_school> adamy is the reader hooked up via USB?
[06:20] <xtknight_school> oh its pci
[06:20] <xtknight_school> hmm
[06:20] <xtknight_school> well again post the full output of "sudo lshw"
[06:20] <xtknight_school> all of it
[06:20] <xtknight_school> shirish did you get my msg?
[06:21] <adamy> It's the laptop integrated
[06:21] <shirish> xtknight_school: nope, I think I know what the issue is, it;s a gaim issue
[06:21] <xtknight_school> shirish xt.knight@gmail.com
[06:21] <xtknight_school> i gotta go
[06:23] <eagles0513875> i installed the nvidia binary but it broke my x what other options do i have to enable open gl
[06:24] <CaptainApathy> eagles0513875: what video card do you have?
[06:24] <eagles0513875> evga 6600 gt
[06:24] <CaptainApathy> you may want to try the nv driver... it's an open source driver for nvidia chips... I think
[06:25] <mc44> but wont do open gl
[06:26] <CaptainApathy> mc44: does it not have any hardware acceleration?
[06:26] <eagles0513875> where do i get nv driver from
[06:26] <CaptainApathy> eagles0513875: you probably already have it
[06:26] <eagles0513875> really where
[06:26] <CaptainApathy> you just have to change the driver used to nv instead of nvidia
[06:26] <mc44> CaptainApathy: I dont think it does open gl
[06:27] <mc44> CaptainApathy: I may be wrong
[06:27] <CaptainApathy> in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf in the Device section
[06:27] <CaptainApathy> change Driver to "nv"
[06:27] <eagles0513875> brb
[06:27] <CaptainApathy> or, "nvidia" if it's not..
[06:27] <CaptainApathy> make sure you're really trying the driver out
[06:32] <eagles0513875> fixed my problem CaptainApathy
[06:32] <eagles0513875> i just didnt start the x server
[06:32] <shirish> strange deborphan doesn't start anybody have ideas?
[06:32] <shirish> it was starting yesterday
[06:33] <CaptainApathy> ah
[06:33] <adamy> Can anyone help me out with the card reader problem ? : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16147/ [lshw] 
[06:40] <eagles0513875> i want to try out a mosix clustering kernel what do i have to do to set that up
[06:41] <Deafboy> i just tried to boot the 20070415 live cd but i can't get to X it crashes
[06:41] <omha> how can i recover a SSH key ?
[06:41] <Deafboy> should i paste my log in here?
[06:41] <mc44> Deafboy: using what driver?
[06:41] <mc44> Deafboy: graphics card, sorry
[06:41] <Deafboy> mc44: i belive it tried to use vesa by default
[06:41] <Deafboy> mc44: ati x1600
[06:42] <mc44> !paste | Deafboy
[06:42] <ubotu> Deafboy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:42] <mc44> paste there :)
[06:42] <alex_> hi all. can anyone help me with my ubuntu feisty problem? I belive that my machine won't load the sound server. whenever I play a media file I get an error "can not connect to sound server"
[06:43] <Deafboy> mc44: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16150/
[06:43] <apokryphos> alex_: /msg ubotu sound
[06:43] <mc44> Deafboy: hmm thats not good
[06:44] <Deafboy> mc44: i got the same error when i used an old feisty beta disk and upgraded to the new kernel
[06:44] <alex_> apokryphos: I didn't understand what you want
[06:44] <Deafboy> but the odd thing is the OLD kernel no longer worked when i upgraded
[06:44] <apokryphos> ubotu: sound | alex_
[06:44] <ubotu> alex_: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:45] <mc44> Deafboy: well. as a work around Id recommend installing via the alternate CD in text mode
[06:45] <eagles0513875> what pkg do i dowload to enable mp3 support in amarok
[06:45] <eagles0513875> cuz amarok keeps freezing on me
[06:45] <Deafboy> mc44: but won't X still be broken?
[06:46] <CapaH> I have an ATI X800 XT Platinum Edition --- I am trying to get it to work with Ubuntu Feisty but it keeps crashing (on anything from loading certain webpages, to screensavers, etc) --- any help would be greatly appreciated
[06:46] <mc44> Deafboy: well, you can set up X to use the ati propriatry drivers then, which should work
[06:46] <Deafboy> mc44: the fact that it works in the old .12 kernel before i update to newest would make me think some other package causes an incompatiblity
[06:47] <mc44> Deafboy: were you using the fglrx drivers when updating the beta?
[06:48] <alex_> I used to be able to play mp3 until U downloaded song birs
[06:48] <alex_> I used to be able to play mp3 until U downloaded song bird
[06:48] <alex_> as for now I don't have any spiker icon on system tray
[06:48] <Deafboy> mc44: no this was  a stock install
[06:48] <Deafboy> mc44: so still vesa drivers
[06:49] <mc44> Deafboy: do you have that install still?
[06:49] <Deafboy> mc44: yeah it spits out the SAME error in both kerneles
[06:49] <Deafboy> as the live cd spits out
[06:49] <mc44> Deafboy: does it drop you to the shell after the errors?
[06:50] <Deafboy> yeah
[06:50] <Deafboy> i cut gdm and tried to start X and i get the same issue
[06:50] <mc44> Deafboy: try installing the ati proprietary drivers from there
[06:51] <Deafboy> mc44: why would vesa all of a sudden be broken :(
[06:51] <mc44> Deafboy: I have no clue. Its not good
[06:52] <Deafboy> damn
[06:52] <alex_> any help?
[06:52] <Deafboy> you just cant play audio in songbird
[06:52] <Deafboy> or in total
[06:53] <alex_> deafboy: in total
[06:53] <Deafboy> mc44: can i make the livecd run fglrx or is that not included on the cd cuz its proprietary XD
[06:53] <Deafboy> alex_ : did you get it from synaptic?
[06:53] <mc44> Deafboy: it is included but youd be better off just doing it from your current install, then you wont have to install again
[06:54] <mc44> Deafboy: Id be interested to know if that fixes it
[06:54] <Deafboy> mc44: maybe vesa was updated and it's just broken :(,i would think that because its broken in BOTH kernels
[06:54] <mc44> right
[06:54] <Deafboy> mc44: when i get back to my dorm i'll try it and let you know
[06:54] <alex_> no. I downloaded it from songbird's web site. I don't realy belive it has something to do with it. it simply has happen at about the same time
[06:55] <mc44> Deafboy: ok :) yo know how to install fglrx?
[06:55] <Deafboy> mc44: i usually compile it myself
[06:55] <mc44> hehe
[06:55] <Deafboy> but i dont know the name of the package in syaptic =)
[06:55] <alex_> I did'nt install everything. only dowloaded the archive and extracted it
[06:55] <alex_> I don't know.
[06:55] <Deafboy> but i dont know the name of the package in syaptic =)?
[06:55] <mc44> Deafboy: xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:55] <Deafboy> oops
[06:56] <Deafboy> MT
[06:56] <omha> my computer crashed and my ssh key is gone and ssh is broken, how can i fix it???
[06:56] <Deafboy> did you use sound since latest updates?
[06:56] <mc44> Deafboy: much much easier than compiling yoursel
[06:56] <Deafboy> mc44: meh i like running new drivers =)
[06:56] <Deafboy> but i think feisty repos are much newer than edgy
[06:56] <mc44> Deafboy: the fesity ones are ati current I believe
[06:57] <Deafboy> alex_: are you running feisty?
[06:57] <alex_> Deafboy: I tried but I can't play any sound. (even the loging in music doesn't play)
[06:57] <alex_> Deafboy: yes. I'm using feisty
[06:57] <Deafboy> alex_: so sound has worked before?
[06:57] <alex_> yes
[06:57] <mc44> Deafboy: actully they are 34.8 vs 35.5
[06:58] <Deafboy> mc44: oh well ati makes such small as updates its not a big deal XD
[06:58] <mc44> right, they still suck
[06:58] <Deafboy> alex maybe it just got toggled on the wrong mixer
[06:58] <Deafboy> or its mutes
[06:58] <Deafboy> *muted
[06:58] <mc44> Deafboy: could you file a bug on the xserver when you do get it working? :)
[06:59] <Deafboy> mc44: on feisty bugzilla or on xserver itself?
[06:59] <Deafboy> *xorg
[06:59] <mc44> Deafboy: on launchpad (ubuntu bugzilla thingy)
[06:59] <alex_> I don't belive it's muted becouse I get an error messege "can not connect to sound server"
[07:00] <alex_> Deafboy: how do I check the mixer configuration?
[07:00] <concept10> How do I remove default options for grub?  Do I add another # to that option?
[07:00] <Deafboy> alex_: click the sound mixer in the corner of your screen
[07:01] <Deafboy> and go under preferences or something
[07:02] <mc44> Deafboy: is your monitor an unusual size? :)
[07:02] <wondering> When is this bug going to be fixed? I *still* see it in Feisty! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/64695
[07:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 64695 in meta-kde "KDE logout dialog is missing shutdown and restart options" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[07:03] <alex_> Deafboy: I right clicked the sound applet and choose "open volume control
[07:03] <eagles0513875> is ntfs-3g compatible with a 64 bit os
[07:06] <concept10> which kernel was the problematic one?  -14 or -13 or both?
[07:09] <mc44> concept10: -1
[07:10] <mc44> concept10: -14
[07:10] <mc44> rather
[07:16] <DVS01> my sound isn't working in the april 15th RC of ubuntu7.  it worked right out of the box in edgy. i use the following device: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:16] <DVS01> i heard it only works with alsa. i have alsa installed
[07:18] <crimsun> that's not enough information. Please download and execute the alsa-info script from http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/index.php?task=support
[07:20] <davidw> you guys happen to know if my rt61 pci wireless card is supported in feisty?
[07:20] <DVS01> crimsun: will do. thanks
[07:22] <Deafboy> mc44: you nailed the bug right on the head, it was the vesa driver, fglrx works fine =)
[07:22] <CapaH> ... Ok, Whoever reads this: I have found a possible serious bug affecting either ATI cards or ABIT motherboards in Ubuntu Feisty Fawn. I installed a *fresh install* of Fesity Fawn on my computer, and it would crash in the following ways: 1) Random websites in firefox. 2) Screensaver upon leaving preview mode. --- Now, I uninstalled Feisty Fawn and I installed Edgy Eft --- problems are gone. Any ideas?
[07:22] <mc44> Deafboy: is your moniter an unusual size?
[07:22] <Deafboy> mc44: 1280x960
[07:22] <Deafboy> mc44: widescreen laptop thats about it
[07:22] <CapaH> when it would crash -- I could move the mouse, but the mouse cursor would not change in different screen regions *and* I could not use the keyboard, even the caps-lock key would not respond
[07:23] <DVS01> I have a problem with ALSA, my sound isnt working, even though it did in Edgy.  Complete details from alsa-info.sh here: http://pastebin.ca/445005
[07:24] <mc44> Deafboy: so vesa obsiously cant do that mode
[07:25] <tapas_> DVS01: "doesn't work" means?
[07:25] <DVS01> no sound output
[07:25] <DVS01> devices are detected
[07:25] <tapas_> DVS01: post output of the command "amixer"
[07:25] <DVS01> oh crap
[07:26] <crimsun> DVS01: I'll read it in a sec
[07:26] <DVS01> dont
[07:26] <DVS01> im sorry guys.. this is working better than expected.. i had the headphones in the jack, and didnt hear the sound. this was reported to not work properly
[07:26] <tapas_> DVS01: hah ;)
[07:26] <DVS01> in windows, plugging them in causes the speakers to not play anymore
[07:26] <crimsun> heh.
[07:27] <DVS01> i read that this was problematic in linux
[07:27] <DVS01> apparently its fixed beyond that now =D
[07:27] <crimsun> it's not, we fixed it.
[07:27] <DVS01> thats awesome
[07:27] <DVS01> it even detects my mics n stuff
[07:27] <DVS01> nice
[07:27] <davidw> does the network upgrade work 'out of the box' at this point?
[07:27] <davidw> any notes on things to avoid?
[07:28] <mc44> Deafboy: if you could file a bug it would be great :)
[07:28] <shirish> davidw: nope things are cool hre
[07:28] <davidw> good, thanks
[07:28] <mc44> crimsun: any idea why vesa would be failing like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16150/
[07:28] <shirish> davidw: are u you going to upgrade or do a fresh install?
[07:29] <davidw> upgrade
[07:29] <DVS01> awesome job on this. im a windows desktop user, i prefer to use linux as a backend. but now, things are changing.. =D
[07:29] <crimsun> mc44: not off the top of my head; I generally don't deal with video driver issues.
[07:30] <DVS01> i have an hp laptop (i can get model info if needed), and have read that the built-in webcam on it doesnt work in linux. you guys need me for testing?
[07:30] <DVS01> im gonna see if it works at the moment
[07:30] <mc44> crimsun: yeah I know :p But you are widely versed in everything :)
[07:30] <mc44> crimsun: and tepsipakki isnt around :p
[07:31] <shirish> mc44: i wish he was :(
[07:31] <|NewUser|> Is there anyhow i download any package in this system then transfer it on another system.. coz on another machine i dont have internet ?
[07:31] <|NewUser|> shirish,  Hello :)
[07:31] <shirish> davidw: so while you're at it do some testing for the guys
[07:32] <shirish> |NewUser|: hey :)
[07:32] <|NewUser|> shirish, so hows ur fiesty going ? :>
[07:33] <shirish> |NewUser|: touchwood nice till now
[07:34] <|NewUser|> shirish, still updating :) some packages c0z of my services still dont get all update ..
[07:35] <shirish> sad to hear that
[07:35] <|NewUser|> well is there anyhow ? i can download some packages in this machine then transfer it to another machine ?
[07:35] <shirish> |NewUser|: there is a way, but it needs a CD/DVD
[07:35] <|NewUser|> shirish, i have Usb
[07:36] <shirish> |NewUser|: I don't know whether that would do the trick, there is a package called aptoncd which is capable of moving all the updates to a CD/DVD lemme check
[07:36] <Deafboy> mc44: usually vesa just does the standard 1024x768
[07:36] <Deafboy> mc44: i mean it looks funky on my screen but it runs
[07:37] <|NewUser|> shirish, i have usb disk around 80gb..
[07:37] <mc44> Deafboy: right. For some reason it is saying mode not found...
[07:37] <|NewUser|> shirish,  can i transfer my updates or packages through usb ?
[07:38] <mc44> Deafboy: if you could file a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+filebug it would be awesome
[07:38] <psusi> was it intentional that Xchat was removed from the feisty livecd?
[07:38] <shirish> |NewUser|: well it seems u could but you would need lots of usb drives (maybe) depending on big the updates are
[07:39] <|NewUser|> shirish, its 80gb usb ? its not enough ?
[07:40] <|NewUser|> shirish, well i need some packages like around 20 or 30 mb.. for eg. w32codecs or vlc player
[07:41] <shirish> |NewUser|: ah that's cool you would be able to do that then
[07:41] <richb> Meh, I'm so unused to postfix, I need to rtfm.
[07:41] <davidw> it's making scary noises about removing sysvinit...
[07:42] <|NewUser|> shirish, where i can get this packages? is there any web where i can download this whole packages?
[07:43] <shirish> |NewUser|: w32codecs u can get from debian site. Google for 'debian w32codecs' should give u the right thing
[07:43] <Centaur5> What package would have to be reinstalled on Feisty to get nvidia drivers to work?
[07:44] <|NewUser|> shirish, sure thanks m8 :)
[07:45] <Mikelevel> |NewUser|~ try mediubuntu
[07:47] <DVS01> crimsun: how did you guys fix that sound issue? you guys patched the kernel, or is it a userland fix?
[07:49] <|NewUser|> Mikelevel, i want to just download the package in this machine.. then transfer it too another machine.. i want to install w32codecs in another machine . but i dont have internet connection on that machine.
[07:50] <shirish> |NewUser|: I would help you with this, but have u finished doing all the updates?
[07:52] <|NewUser|> shirish, yeah
[07:53] <Mikelevel> |NewUser|~ http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/pool/feisty/non-free/
[07:53] <Mikelevel> select i386 or 64
[07:54] <|NewUser|> ok
[07:54] <Woody_> hello, how can i boot windows XP inside ubuntu?
[07:54] <|NewUser|> Mikelevel,  thanks dude :) yes i want this.
[07:54] <Deafboy> mc44: reported the bug =)
[07:55] <Pollywog> I upgraded my laptop from Edgy to Feisty yesterday and it appeared to go well.  I want to upgrade another machine that runs Edgy and I wonder if I can copy the Feisty debs to /var/cache/apt/archives on the next machine to save time downloading  ?
[07:55] <Deafboy> Woody_: use vmware server
[07:55] <Xappe> Woody_: install XP to a vm with vmware server or virtual box
[07:56] <Woody_> i already have XP installed on my other partition
[07:56] <Woody_> cant i make it boot inside linux?
[07:56] <Pollywog> it seems reasonable that this would work but does anyone know for sure?
[07:56] <Pollywog> Woody: no
[07:56] <Pollywog> use VMware
[07:56] <Woody_> where can i download it from
[07:56] <Woody_> ?
[07:56] <Pollywog> I think www.vmware.com
[07:57] <Woody_> okay thanks Pollywog
[07:57] <shirish> Pollywog: are both the machines have the same config?
[07:57] <shirish> Pollywog: do both the machines have the same config?
[07:57] <Pollywog> shirish: no but they use the same packages for the most part
[07:58] <Pollywog> so I think this might save d/l time
[07:58] <shirish> Pollywog: true, the only part is the drivers things apart from that the logic should work
[07:58] <Pollywog> shirish: yes I understand that  :)
[07:58] <Pollywog> but it took hours to download for the laptop
[07:59] <Pollywog> and hours to install because of the prompts while I was away from the machine
[07:59] <Pollywog> I would have to answer the questions to resume the install   :)
[07:59] <shirish> I understand, if you have no data to lose then try it, if nothing else you would know a thing or two for the next time
[07:59] <Pollywog> but it turned out fine
[08:00] <joshjosh> USB devices won't show up if I plug them in after boot, but do show up if i have them plugged in before boot...any ideas?
[08:00] <DVS01> guys
[08:00] <Centaur5> Is nvidia-glx still the package that is supposed to install the proprietary nvidia drivers?
[08:00] <shirish> Pollywog: I have done upgrades through the CD way as well as through the wire but not lifting & putting stuff like you are trying
[08:00] <DVS01> there are people who have trouble getting hp pavilion laptop's onboard webcams to work. i found a solution: http://lsb.blogdns.net/ry5u870/
[08:01] <Pollywog> shirish: I am only going to copy the debs from one cache to the other, I am going to run everything else the same
[08:02] <Pollywog> hopefully most of the packages will not need to be d/l again
[08:02] <shirish> Pollywog: that is exactly what I am saying, it should work
[08:02] <Pollywog> the main diff is that one machine uses nvidia and the other does not
[08:02] <Pollywog> tnx
[08:03] <shirish> just make sure that u have backed any imp. data before you take the leap
[08:03] <psusi> was it intentional that Xchat was removed from the feisty livecd?  seems odd to not have an irc client anymore...
[08:03] <Tom__g> hi has anyone got aiglx and beryl/compiz working on an r350 chipset?
[08:05] <concept10> What is saving vesa state for ?
[08:08] <meff> is there a metapkg for all of the xorg fonts ubuntu installs?
[08:08] <meff> i'd like to put them all in my 32bit chroot also
[08:09] <meff> w/out installing x :)
[08:13] <Tom__g> has anyone got aiglx and beryl/compiz working on an r350 chipset? please help i fed up of xgl
[08:13] <meff> unless the drivers for it implement the correct gl calls, you're SOL and stuck to using xgl :/
[08:14] <ReTyPe> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Subproces bzip2 gaf de foutcode 2 terug
[08:15] <ReTyPe> i want to upgrade, but the wizard doesn't complete
[08:17] <davidw> wizard? what wizard?
[08:17] <ReTyPe> sudo update-manger -c -d
[08:17] <ReTyPe> then the upgrade to 7.04
[08:17] <ReTyPe> it starts in a new window
[08:20] <ReTyPe> i disabled the security downloads in synaptic, and now it runs through
[08:20] <ReTyPe> one hour left
[08:21] <shirish> does anybody know what a .desktop file is?
[08:22] <shirish> ReTyPe: I hope you are noting down somewhere whatever you are doing
[08:22] <ReTyPe> shirish: it think its a descriptive file for a shortcut
[08:23] <DVS01> will beryl work if i install it using the package manager? or do i have to follow some special directions?
[08:23] <tritonx> is it me or the new cd image is not there yet ?
[08:23] <shirish> ReTyPe: right, I got that also, but how to make it or what is to be done for that, looking for documentation
[08:23] <shirish> ReTyPe: and I think its not just for desktop shorcut but also menu entry
[08:23] <Gh0sty> omg even on this channel familiar faces, dag ReTyPe ;p
[08:24] <shirish> tritonx: you are right, no new releases something must be holding somewhere
[08:25] <tritonx> k, thanks Ill stop searching
[08:27] <ReTyPe> hello Gh0sty
[08:27] <shirish> @now calcutta
[08:27] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 17 2007, 23:57:21 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 32 minutes
[08:27] <Gh0sty> @now belgium
[08:28] <slackern> @now stockholm
[08:28] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Stockholm: April 17 2007, 20:28:19 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 31 minutes
[08:28] <slackern> woot :p
[08:28] <Gh0sty> @now brussels
[08:28] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Brussels: April 17 2007, 20:28:29 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 31 minutes
[08:28] <Gh0sty> better :)
[08:28] <jussi01> !botabuse
[08:28] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[08:30] <shirish> jussi01: !humor
[08:31] <shirish> tritonx: u still there?
[08:31] <finalbeta> Apparently selecting gray scale when printing doesn't actually make it gray scale. Printing is still so horrible. Wish the feisty specs where implemented
[08:31] <tritonx> yes
[08:32] <shirish> tritonx: seems 15 is for the cd build, 16 for the DVD build & 17 for the Kubuntu build
[08:32] <ReTyPe> what's the download location of the packages during upgrade, because i allready have them ?
[08:32] <shirish> finalbeta: which feisty specs ?
[08:32] <finalbeta> shirish: all the printing ones.
[08:33] <tritonx> oh in there cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070415/
[08:33] <shirish> tritonx: right, if u do download them, do the testing bit
[08:33] <finalbeta> shirish: 4 or 5 specs, none made it. But in the end I doubt they would fix this issue even.
[08:34] <shirish> finalbeta: did you write some specs or what? you could give me the link so atleast I can take a look at them
[08:34] <tritonx> testing bit, like installing and booting, I will try the persistent install on a usb key ....
[08:34] <finalbeta> shirish: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty
[08:34] <shirish> tritonx: sure whatever u can, I hope u know where to file the test reports
[08:34] <finalbeta> shirish: don't look to close, that page make make you depressed ;)
[08:34] <tritonx> nope
[08:34] <shirish> finalbeta: lol
[08:35] <shirish> tritonx: hang on a moment
[08:35] <shirish> tritonx: here u go https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/
[08:35] <shirish> finalbeta: thats part of wht can be done, I was hoping more for a wiki thing, where things are more fleshed out, anyway will search
[08:36] <tritonx> k, thanks
[08:36] <finalbeta> shirish: the wiki pages are linked from that page, launchpad is the central place of management.
[08:37] <shirish> finalbeta: I know that, I have made a blueprint and a wiki sort of
[08:37] <locolbd> can anyone tell me why, every few minutes ubuntu kicks me off the internet and cannot locate my wireless connection untill i restart the computer
[08:40] <shirish> finalbeta: it seems printerdrake is the new way these guys would be going for gutsy
[08:40] <Shaddox> Mornin', everyone. ^^
[08:40] <tritonx> anyone knows if casper is fixed ?
[08:41] <AdministratorX> !casper
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about casper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <nomasteryoda> shirish, mandrake had the better printer sharing/connection way back in 2002
[08:41] <tritonx> its the program for writing changes to usbkey when in persistent mode
[08:41] <lolman> !info casper
[08:41] <ubotu> casper: Run a "live" preinstalled system from read-only media. In component main, is extra. Version 1.87 (feisty), package size 49 kB, installed size 312 kB
[08:41] <shirish> nomasteryoda: well no idea, I did play with mandrake at that time but didn't do any printing stuff so no idea
[08:42] <finalbeta> Jeez, I don't have colour ink, would be nice if I could at least print in gray scale. lol. These pink pictures will damage my reputation ;)
[08:45] <RedRose> !release
[08:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[08:45] <RedRose> I know there is some delay in Feisty, when is it going to be official?
[08:46] <locolbd> !wireless
[08:46] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:46] <AdministratorX> link says 3 days
[08:47] <AdministratorX> link on ubuntu main page
[08:47] <ptrbee> lo all, i need a little help & i'm a bit new so pls go easy on me
[08:49] <PirateHead> Is there a specific release date for Feisty yet?
[08:49] <FunnyLookinHat> PirateHead, the 19th
[08:50] <shirish> PirateHead: look at the topic
[08:50] <ptrbee> i upgraded to feisty today and have the java swig problem as i have enabled beryl, i found a patch here http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Java but cant seem to get it to work
[08:50] <PirateHead> Aah! I could have figured it out myself if I looked hard enough I guess.
[08:50] <shirish> guys how would I go about changing the font in gnome-terminal ?
[08:50] <ptrbee> would this be the best place to try to fix it?? or am i in the wrong place??
[08:51] <lolman> shirish, Edit > Profiles > Edit then untick the top tick box, will let you change it then :)
[08:51] <AdministratorX> ptrbee: I had the same problem (java), will need to change some of the path lines.
[08:52] <ptrbee> aha,,any idea which ones???
[08:52] <AdministratorX> sudo cp /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/rt.jar /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/rt.jar.orig
[08:53] <AdministratorX> sudo cp /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/rt.jar /tmp/java/rt/rt.zip
[08:53] <shirish> lolman: any suggestions to what would be a good font for terminal?
[08:54] <nomasteryoda> terminus
[08:54] <lolman> shirish, I just use monospace, does me fine
[08:54] <AdministratorX> Those show the correct paths, :) I took notes...
[08:55] <DVS01> holy shit
[08:55] <PriceChild> !ohmy
[08:55] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:55] <DVS01> beryl + doom3 .. no lag
[08:55] <DVS01> sorry
[08:55] <DVS01> this kicks ass
[08:55] <DVS01> this is running sooo smoothly =D
[08:57] <ptrbee> thanks :)
[08:57] <ptrbee> gonna try now
[08:57] <AdministratorX> cool
[08:59] <shirish> guys how to list what all files a package contains?
[09:00] <soothsay> Argh. Does anyone know how to use tftpd?
[09:00] <mc44> shirish: dpkg -L packagename
[09:05] <shirish> mc44: thanx
[09:07] <phaidros> DVS01: which grafics card do you have? which driver?
[09:09] <ptrbee> AdministratorX: did u do this bit as well?? cd ../rt rm sun/awt/X11/XDecoratedPeer*
[09:09] <shirish> guys has anybody used this xfonts-terminus font?
[09:09] <AdministratorX> Yes, I think I did, it's been a while now about 6 weeks ago
[09:10] <ptrbee> i get $ sudo rm sun/awt/X11/XDecoratedPeer*
[09:10] <ptrbee> rm: cannot remove `sun/awt/X11/XDecoratedPeer*': No such file or directory
[09:11] <shirish> AdministratorX: you have installed the xfonts-terminus font?
[09:11] <AdministratorX> Yes I did do it, just checked my notes...
[09:11] <AdministratorX> sudo rm sun/awt/X11/XDecoratedPeer*
[09:12] <ptrbee> it's not in /rt folder is it
[09:12] <shirish>  nomasteryoda: are u still here?
[09:12] <AdministratorX> Yes, once again I think I did install those fonts as well, however not 100% sure.
[09:13] <shirish> AdministratorX: ah I thought u were speaking with ptrbee as I looked up the conversation
[09:13] <shirish> I'm having trouble finding them
[09:13] <shirish> I have installed them
[09:13] <ptrbee> think i have properly mucked this up...right now i'm in the folder as per the guide but last night i installed in a /jar/ folder in my home & locate is showing that file there
[09:14] <AdministratorX> which file?
[09:14] <ptrbee> XDecoratedPeer
[09:15] <AdministratorX> oh
[09:15] <shirish> AdministratorX: have u seen this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfonts-terminus/+bug/86069
[09:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 86069 in xfonts-terminus "xfonts-terminus does not set up X11 font path correctly" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[09:16] <shirish> AdministratorX: I followed the solution given there & hence all the terminus fonts are now installed in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/
[09:16] <shirish> AdministratorX: now how do I make that I can see what terminus fonts are & stuff like that
[09:17] <Thug-N-Me> will release of Ubuntu version 7.04 be delayed ?
[09:17] <AdministratorX> No, I had not seen it. Is it a KDE problem only
[09:18] <AdministratorX> I will book mark that page, and review it more once I leave work.
[09:18] <shirish> ok cool, just need to know the name of the terminal font, it would terminus right?
[09:18] <shirish> AdministratorX: because there is no font by the name of terminus which is there in the list
[09:19] <slytherin> shirish: ping
[09:19] <AdministratorX> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfonts-terminus/+bug/86069
[09:19] <ubotu> Malone bug 86069 in xfonts-terminus "xfonts-terminus does not set up X11 font path correctly" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[09:19] <shirish> slytherin: hi there
[09:19] <slytherin> shirish: pm?
[09:19] <shirish> sure
[09:22] <lm_> hey can anyone tell me where i can change the default text encoding in gnome when i want to change it from utf-8 to western european?
[09:22] <ptrbee> yep mucked up now dont know how to fix it :(
[09:23] <zdzichuBG> lm_: change system locale. but better, don't do it
[09:23] <lm_> zdzichuBG: why?
[09:23] <mon^rch>  I want to use emerald with compiz... but so far I can only see the "corners" of the window decoration... anyone know how to fix?
[09:23] <lm_> zdzichuBG: i installed kile to write som tex files. And i have set kile up to automatically encode them in western, but gnome apparently changes it to utf
[09:24] <bur[n] er> can compiz use emerald?  I thought it only supported gtk window decorator or kwin deco
[09:24] <zdzichuBG> utf8 is better
[09:24] <lm_> zdzichuBG: so that when i open it again, its encoded in utf
[09:24] <lm_> zdzichuBG: not in my language
[09:24] <bur[n] er> mon^rch: why not use beryl instead?
[09:24] <lm_> zdzichuBG: utf cant write ,, 
[09:24] <ptrbee> think emerald only works with beryl
[09:24] <lm_> zdzichuBG: (danish)
[09:25] <mon^rch> bur[n] er: because compiz is by far smoother
[09:25] <AdministratorX> Wow! I just read that Microsoft has created a Firefox Plugin for Windows Media played, Can you guess which platform's are not supported?? :)
[09:26] <mon^rch> hey, I'm a noob... just putting in my 2 cents.
[09:26] <AdministratorX> Sorry Windows Media Player
[09:26] <ptrbee> mon^rch: way i understand it compiz is for those whose vga cards can't support beryls effects
[09:26] <ptrbee> not as intensive on video
[09:26] <lolman> AdministratorX, Mac and Linux? :P
[09:26] <crdlb> bur[n] er, ptrbee, there is a version of emerald in beryl's git repository that supports compiz
[09:27] <ptrbee> really
[09:27] <AdministratorX> You got that right!
[09:27] <slytherin> AdministratorX: Wasn't there a plugin already?
[09:27] <mon^rch> ptrbee: my card can handle beryl's effects just fine... compiz feels way smoother... there just aren't as many effects (yet)
[09:27] <lolman> AdministratorX, heh, mplayer is sufficient
[09:28] <darx> where can i set the cpu frequency table?
[09:28] <darx> enhanced speed step that is
[09:28] <bur[n] er> mon^rch: hence the "feeling" smoother ;)  you could probably disable some beryl plugins to get the same smooth effect that compiz has ;)
[09:28] <AdministratorX> If there was one it was not made by Microsoft..
[09:28] <ptrbee> k
[09:28] <AdministratorX> http://port25.technet.com/pages/windows-media-player-firefox-plugin-download.aspx
[09:29] <bur[n] er> AdministratorX: don't paste that crap ;)  no one here can use it
[09:29] <ptrbee> i was trying compiz earlier to get around this java problem I have with beryl
[09:29] <AdministratorX> Yeah, mplayer has been working well for be too.
[09:29] <Mena> hI
[09:29] <crdlb> that's a problem with java itself
[09:29] <Mena> Why mplayer wouldnt play avi files
[09:29] <AdministratorX> lol
[09:29] <darx> does anybody here know who speed step works under ubuntu?
[09:29] <darx> *how
[09:30] <bur[n] er> Mena: codecs were missing I assume
[09:30] <bur[n] er> !codecs | Mena
[09:30] <ubotu> Mena: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:30] <crdlb> darx, I know how it works under linux
[09:30] <crdlb> are you having a problem?
[09:30] <darx> yup
[09:30] <mon^rch> bur[n] er: the one thing I noticed right off is the workspace switcher animation onj compiz is better... almost as if there are more frames or something... it just "looks" better. then I noticed that beryl's dragged windows are a little choppy, barely noticable... but there.
[09:30] <Mena> Thanks
[09:31] <darx> crdlb:i cant scale to 600mhz which is the lowest supported for pentium 740
[09:31] <ptrbee> crdlb: i know but there is a patch thats supposed to fix it,,, something to do with AWT from what i read
[09:31] <darx> crdlb: the lowest under linux is 798mhz
[09:31] <slytherin> Mena: mplayer doesn't need codecs for avi files I think. Can you look into properties of that avi file and tell us which Video codec it uses?
[09:31] <crdlb> darx, I've heard of that before, don't know anything about it though
[09:32] <crdlb> works fine on my unnamed other distro
[09:32] <darx> crdlb: i've also tried centos and i have the same issue.. can you shed some light of how speed step works under linux?
[09:32] <darx> crdlb: share it in private please
[09:32] <darx> the distro that is
[09:33] <Mena> slytherin, OK
[09:33] <crdlb> I get 600 Mhz on my pentium M 735
[09:33] <darx> crdlb: hmm.. whats the distro?
[09:34] <crdlb> gentoo, but I've never tested it under ubuntu
[09:35] <Mena> slytherin, divx
[09:35] <Mena> slytherin, but i tried to play many files
[09:35] <Mena> but it didnt work
[09:35] <slytherin> Mena: I don't think mplayer should have a problem with divx. What error do you get?
[09:35] <darx> crdlb: gentoo is too much for me ATM.. but if it works in gentoo, it should in ubuntu as well..
[09:36] <ptrbee> finally....got the patch to work but java still messing about under beryl ,,frostwire etc still grey :( anyone managed to fix this??
[09:36] <Frost^> Hello.
[09:36] <slytherin> Mena: What error do you get?
[09:36] <slytherin> Frost^: hi
[09:37] <Mena> slytherin, error opening/initializing the selected viideo_out (-vo) device
[09:37] <Frost^> I was wondering if there's a reason for ubuntu packages to be compiled for 386 machines, rather than being optimized to a newer architecture.
[09:37] <Frost^> Is there a reason?
[09:38] <slytherin> Mena: That is not problem with file. Open mplayer preferences and change video plugin to xv
[09:38] <Mena> ok
[09:38] <bur[n] er> Mena: try vlc or totem-xine with libxine-extracodecs
[09:38] <Mena> ok
[09:38] <slytherin> bur[n] er: You are solving the wrong problem
[09:39] <slytherin> Mena: Just try what I told you.
[09:39] <Mena> slytherin, its working now
[09:39] <bur[n] er> oh
[09:39] <bur[n] er> neato... I don't know as much about mplayer
[09:39] <Mena> slytherin, Thanks
[09:40] <slytherin> Frost^: good question. I think i386 is generic term for x86
[09:42] <Frost^> Well, x86 might be a bit outdated still. I think nowadays a 586 or 686 optimization would be more appropriate, and as far as I can tell, you can feel the performance difference.
[09:42] <izaak> Frost^: i think most linux binaries these days are compiled with pentium optimisations, so you couldn't use a 486 for example.
[09:43] <Frost^> I see. Well, I think it's worth checking, and I would have liked to somehow start a debate on this, only I wouldn't know where to post such a question.
[09:43] <Mena> slytherin, i am using arabic subtitle for movies
[09:43] <|NewUser|> !easysource
[09:43] <Mena> slytherin, why all work worng
[09:43] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:44] <Mena> slytherin, the uicode wont work right
[09:44] <Mena> unicode
[09:44] <slytherin> Mena: That I don't know. :-) May be some problem with subtitles itself.
[09:44] <Frost^> Any ideas what could be a proper place to post, being accessible to the developers?
[09:44] <stefg> !generic
[09:44] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[09:44] <Mena> slytherin, working on xp
[09:44] <Mena> but linux no
[09:45] <slytherin> Mena: Personally I use mplayer very less. I use Totem with gstreamer backend and all gstreamer plugins installed. :-)
[09:45] <ptrbee> thanks for help guys...will tackle this later need to rest brains...byee
[09:45] <richb> Hmm:fatty kernel: [  145.971290]  Eeek! page_mapcount(page) went negative! (-1)
[09:45] <Mena> slytherin, ok
[09:45] <Mena> slytherin, Thanks  :)
[09:45] <richb> Harmless?
[09:46] <Tahir_H> most people claim that with ff we will have wifi support out of the box but will there be support for broadcom cards? Because they require ndiswrapper
[09:47] <cypherdelic> what's else to do for feisty final?
[09:48] <slytherin> Tahir_H: It depends on the chipset. Some need firmware to be cut from Windows driver or ndiswrapper while some have native drivers I think.
[09:49] <shirish> cypherdelic: lot of testing for the RC builds, other than that sit tight
[09:50] <Tahir_H> slytherin: but will all this be done for you ..
[09:51] <Tahir_H> that is it automatically detects that you have a broadcom bcm4306 wireless card and then it loads up ndiswrapper and does everthing for you without having to touch the command line?
[09:51] <slytherin> Tahir_H: Not automatically, Ubuntu can't ship firmware nor can they ship Windows driver to be used with ndiswrapper
[09:51] <slytherin> Tahir_H: You can install ndisgtk if you are so afraid of command line.
[09:52] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I play a WMA format audio file in Totem or Rhythmbox, or is there a linux build of Windows Media Player?
[09:52] <ReTyPe> i hate the mid-dist-upgrade nag-screens, i went out, and it stopped almost right after it started
[09:52] <crdlb> I think ffmpeg can play some wma files
[09:52] <Shaddox> AH!
[09:52] <Shaddox> I used to have FFDshow/FFMpeg/FFAVI back when i was on Windows ^^
[09:53] <Shaddox> its in the CCCP, isn't it?
[09:53] <Tahir_H> slytherin:  I am not afraid of the command line but I am thinking of the numorous ppl who have had problems
[09:53] <crdlb> Shaddox, for some you may need w32codecs, which won't work with rhythmbox afaik
[09:53] <Shaddox> crdlb: these are copy-protected wma's, though, is that a problem?
[09:53] <crdlb> yes
[09:53] <crdlb> they won't play then
[09:53] <Shaddox> ah crap...
[09:53] <crdlb> drm sucks
[09:53] <Shaddox> well, time to get on my Gnutella thing then and re-download them. ^^
[09:53] <richb> I guess I should bug report it then.
[09:54] <Shaddox> my entire LP Reanimation cd wont play then, but since i have the CD i won't get busted or anything
[09:54] <slytherin> Shaddox: copy protected wma are a problem. Otherwise I would have just asked you to install some packages
[09:54] <Shaddox> my cd drive is damaged though ^^
[09:54] <Shaddox> i get I/O errors at the randomest times
[09:55] <kupesoft> Why doesn't feisty have Wireshark 0.99.5 - it was released Feb 1st,
[09:55] <shirish> slytherin: are u using an intel chipset by any chance?
[09:55] <Woody_> guys, how can i add a program to startup?
[09:56] <crimsun> Woody_: System> Preferences> Sessions
[09:57] <slytherin> shirish: My PC is using AMD processor and Via chipset. But my dad's laptop is Intel Pentium AM. What is your question.
[09:57] <DickBobSteve> anyone noticed
[09:58] <DickBobSteve> forcedeth bug in 2.6.20?
[09:58] <shirish> there were 2 releases which happened over the night, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/2:1.9.94-1ubuntu3 this is the driver I want. I have the earlier one which I manually installed from a bug-report
[09:58] <Woody_> thanks crimsun
[09:59] <Pollywog> I was upgrading to Feisty and Samba's install script is broken and the install got stuck
[09:59] <Pollywog> and the bug reporting thing won't work
[09:59] <slytherin> shirish: your bad luck. I am away from hometown. :-)
[09:59] <shirish> slytherin: the one which I downloaded is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting/+bug/90213
[09:59] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,In progress] 
[09:59] <shirish> ok cool :p
[09:59] <Pollywog> and when I tried to stop the installer it told me not to stop it, but it is stuck there
[10:00] <shirish> I would have to do a manual re-install the day the final build comes out I guess, if the driver doesn't update in the next 2 days.
[10:00] <enyc> I have machine installed from  20070415/feisty-alternate-i386.iso  ... intel 8?? chipset Pentium-4 ASUS board...   hard disk on SATA, dvd-writer-drive on PATA (used for install).  I am getting errors in nautiles/gnome trying to "eject" or "mount" the dvd-drive...
[10:01] <enyc> (nb: using cd version of feisty)
[10:01] <slytherin> enyc: what errors?
[10:01] <slytherin> Pollywog: try to remove samba (I assume it is samba server), finish the upgrade process an then try to install samba again.
[10:02] <enyc> slytherin: I'm not at the building w/ the machine... but...  it said something like there is no disk in the drive
[10:02] <enyc> slytherin: even trying to "eject"... and when cd tray out trying to "mount"
[10:02] <enyc> slytherin: I think I souhld investiate using "eject" command, livecd, kernel dmesg ...
[10:03] <enyc> slytherin: I wasted to knew if this may be a problem with libata PATA running or something you see
[10:03] <Pollywog> slytherin: thanks, I stopped the install, removed samba, and restarted
[10:03] <Pollywog> I think it is working
[10:03] <enyc> I particuarly wanted to know if anybody (recognizes this behaviour*
[10:03] <slytherin> enyc: Wasn't there some PATA related bug fixed recently with some kernel update?
[10:03] <ShackJack> Hi all - hopefully a simply question - how does one make use of the extra gtk2-engines-* packages in the repos... I've tried installing a couple expecting them to show in other control sets in "Theme Prefs"...
[10:04] <crdlb> ShackJack, you need to install themes that actually use the engines
[10:04] <crdlb> or modify existing themes to use them
[10:04] <enyc> slytherin: quite possibly.. note the system reports no updates (sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade) since I installed it  iirc
[10:04] <ShackJack> crdlb - gotcha thanks!
[10:04] <enyc> slytherin: at least... certainly not a kernel upgrade
[10:05] <slytherin> ShackJack: Considering that you are on feisty, all the engines package are now dummy packages for upgrade purpose. Only real package is gtk2-engines
[10:05] <slytherin> enyc: What is kernel version? Check version of linux-image package
[10:05] <Mena> slytherin, what if i installed totem ...what plugins i need ? :)
[10:05] <ShackJack> slytherin - DOH! Does that mean they won't work or are just for older GNOMEage?
[10:06] <Mena> slytherin, or codecs
[10:06] <davidw> mmmmm I wonder what happens when it tries to remove sysvinit in place of the new thing?
[10:06] <enyc> slytherin: let me know anthing else that should be checked if needbe... but it invalves going to other office tomorrow etc...
[10:06] <slytherin> Mena: Are you on Ubuntu or KUbuntu?
[10:06] <Mena> kubuntu
[10:06] <slytherin> davidw: Don't.
[10:06] <Pollywog> if I install the codecs are the police going to bust in my door?
[10:07] <davidw> slytherin, no?
[10:07] <slytherin> enyc: You should probably go to packages.ubuntu.com, check for linux-image packages and check changelogs
[10:07] <enyc> slytherin: [ok] 
[10:07] <davidw> it conflicts with upstart though
[10:07] <slytherin> davidw: No unless you are very sure what you are doing
[10:08] <slytherin> Mena: On KUbuntu, kaffeine should be default media player which uses xine backend. In that case you will need to install some extra xine packages
[10:08] <davidw> ubuntu-base depends on upstart, which conflicts with sysvinit
[10:08] <Mena> slytherin, ok
[10:08] <xopher> Why doesn't dragging a file (to extract) from file-roller to nautilus/desktop work anymore?
[10:08] <xopher> It just doesn't seem to focus in the other window
[10:09] <crdlb> because it was disabled due to a bug
[10:10] <slytherin> davidw: See if the upgrade installs upstart-compat-sysv package. In that case removing sysvinit is fine
[10:10] <slytherin> xopher: when was it working?
[10:10] <davidw> yeah
[10:10] <soothsay> How can I do a 'complete removal' (remove all configuration files, like in Synaptic) using apt-get?
[10:10] <soothsay> Or CLI
[10:10] <davidw> soothsay, use _ in dselect
[10:11] <crdlb> soothsay, sudo apt-get remove --purge package
[10:11] <Peaker> soothsay: apt-get --purge remove package
[10:11] <xopher> slytherin, in edgy it worked
[10:11] <slytherin> soothsay: apt-get --purge remove packagename
[10:11] <soothsay> Thanks all
[10:11] <slytherin> xopher: I never really use selective extracting
[10:12] <xopher> I used it all the time, handy when you open an archive from the browser
[10:14] <richb> There, bug reported:-)
[10:14] <Woody_> people, where can i get themes for beryl and ubuntu?
[10:14] <atiredmachine> Woody_ gnome-look.org ?
[10:14] <Woody_> ah ok
[10:14] <richb> Woody_: Do you mean for Gnome?
[10:15] <Woody_> yes richb
[10:15] <xopher> well both emerald and metacity themes work on beryl so ..
[10:16] <slytherin> Woody_: For beryl install emerald and its theme package.
[10:16] <atiredmachine> Hey, every once in a while I'll be doing something like browsing the web and my system will kind of freeze up.. I can still move my mouse and music still plays, but nothing responds.  Usually only lasts a few seconds, but last time it happened I couldn't get it out of it.  Any ideas?
[10:16] <stefg> !ipv6
[10:16] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[10:16] <slytherin> atiredmachine: Check the RAM with memtest86+
[10:17] <richb> atiredmachine: Is there anything suspect in any log files?
[10:17] <slytherin> Woody_: By the way, how is Buzz Lightyear? ;-)
[10:18] <|NewUser|> well i tried " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade " in last it shows " 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. "
[10:18] <|NewUser|> What does it mean ? my distro is completely up to date?
[10:18] <stefg> yup
[10:18] <slytherin> |NewUser|: Yes.
[10:18] <|NewUser|> ty
[10:19] <sylpheedClaws> Will Feisty still ship on time, even with the delays?
[10:20] <mstrzele> hi, anybody uses xserver-xorg-video-intel in feisty?
[10:20] <shirish> mstrzele: yup me
[10:20] <richb> Is there any GUI for configuring iptables with fiesty?
[10:20] <mstrzele> i have a problem with it. after installation in gdm login field font is very large
[10:20] <slytherin> richb: Firestarter
[10:20] <atiredmachine> slytherin, how do I do that?
[10:20] <mstrzele> u too?
[10:20] <atiredmachine> richb, which log files should I look at?
[10:21] <shirish> mstrzele: which version are u using?
[10:21] <sylpheedClaws> fs-secutiry.net, or AX
[10:21] <richb> slytherin: Ah, is that with base?
[10:21] <mstrzele> gdm or x-x-video-intel?
[10:21] <Pollywog> what is catapult?
[10:21] <slytherin> atiredmachine: You should have a memtext86+ menu entry in GRUB boot loader
[10:21] <shirish> mstrzele: x-x-video-intel
[10:21] <richb> atiredmachine: /va/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/kern.log
[10:21] <slytherin> richb: I didn't get you
[10:22] <Pollywog> oh it's a shortcut thing
[10:22] <mstrzele> xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:1.9.94-1ubuntu3
[10:22] <richb> slytherin: I just recall Fedora had an applet to configure iptables was all-might be a fun thing to work on.
[10:22] <shirish> mstrzele: did u compile it, or did it come down through update-manager?
[10:22] <defendguin> hey i have to go give a little presentation to the rest fo the local ubuntu linux user's group about changes in feisty.  where can i get the release notes?
[10:23] <shirish> mstrzele: I am asking as I have 1.9.93 here
[10:23] <slytherin> richb: I think firestarter is all you will ever need.
[10:23] <mstrzele> shirish: i've installed it throught aptitude (x-x-video-intel is in the universe, before it i was using x-x-video-i810)
[10:24] <atiredmachine> richb, it's giving me some xf86OpenSerial errors about not being able to open device /dev/wacom
[10:24] <Rprp> Hi, Since yesterday my Microphone doesnt work anymore :(, When i turn 'Analoge Mix' on in alsa-mixer i can hear myself, But still nobody can here me in Teamspeak, Someone ideas?
[10:24] <shirish> mstrzele: ok I'm getting the update as we speak, let u know in few minutes
[10:25] <mstrzele> shirish: ok, i'll wait
[10:25] <crdlb> defendguin, here's a list of goals: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty
[10:25] <richb> atiredmachine: I doubt that's it-maybe try booting and running memtest as suggested if there is nothing odd in the log files.
[10:25] <slytherin> Rprp: Sound issues are hard to debug on IRC. :-)
[10:25] <defendguin> crdlb, i guess thats a good place to start
[10:25] <atiredmachine> alright, I'll be back..
[10:25] <shirish> mstrzele: gotta reboot, see how things pan out, be back in some-time.
[10:26] <Rprp> slytherin: First my mic was working......
[10:26] <klicker> Can anyone offer some guidance on the new Network Manager app?
[10:26] <slytherin> klicker: what kind of guidance do you need?
[10:26] <slytherin> Rprp: File a help ticket or bug on launchpad.
[10:27] <|NewUser|> well on top of right.. there is network icon.. my net works fine but the icons not blinking ?
[10:27] <soothsay> |NewUser|: You like blinking lights?
[10:27] <klicker> My NM interface does NOT look like what is shown on the website (I believe that is where I saw it).  I've uninstalled and reinstalled it, but it still looks the same as it was with Edgy.
[10:27] <|NewUser|> soothsay:  yea :S
[10:27] <slytherin> |NewUser|: That is because network manager is not managing your statically configured interface
[10:28] <slytherin> klicker: Check my reply to |NewUser|
[10:28] <soothsay> slytherin: Mine does not blink either (thankfully)
[10:28] <|NewUser|> slytherin: then how can i manage it ?
[10:28] <klicker> I have two icon near the clock.  Both look like two PC screens.
[10:29] <slytherin> |NewUser|: It depends on your network. You will have to first set the network interface on dhcp and then enable roaming mode. But makre sure that dhcp works.
[10:29] <BadRabbit320> anyone know if the official release will have broadcom wifi support included?
[10:29] <|NewUser|> slytherin:  i m using staticip method
[10:30] <slytherin> BadRabbit320: No it will not have. Broadcom chipsets need firmware which is not Free.
[10:32] <BadRabbit320> bummer...put ff on my new laptop but just can't get wifi to work.  tried several howto's but I'm obviously doing something wrong
[10:33] <TheVault> What other programs are there to record your desktop? Iv used Istanbul & it sucks because it always crashes. Everytime guarentee
[10:33] <klicker1> sorry ... back.
[10:33] <BadRabbit320> ndiswrapper IS installed, windows drivers are extracted into /etc/src, but i don't know if that's where they 'should' be.
[10:34] <shiris1> mstrzele: are u there?
[10:34] <Mena> Is that good if i use utorrent under wine i mean do i will get the best perfromance of the program or not
[10:34] <mstrzele> shiris1: yes
[10:34] <shiris1> ok, things are fine at my end
[10:34] <mstrzele> TheVault: gtkRecordMyDesktop
[10:34] <shiris1> sorry lights went out for a moment
[10:34] <klicker1> I changed it to 'roaming' and now I can't connect via wireless, which is how I connected before.
[10:35] <BadRabbit320> how do I get the clock into a 12 hour format?
[10:35] <TheVault> mstrzele: does that crash alot?
[10:35] <mstrzele> shiris1: hmm, compiz also started behaving strange with x-x-video-intel on my laptop
[10:35] <shiris1> mstrzele: whats your chipset?
[10:36] <eugman> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)   What's my problem?
[10:36] <shirish> mstrzele: I have i845 on the desktop here & it works exactly as it working with 1.9.93
[10:36] <mstrzele> TheVault: I used in on SLED to record new gnome-main-menu
[10:37] <mstrzele> shirish: i have Intel GMA 950 (Intel 945GM laptop chipset)
[10:37] <mstrzele> *it
[10:37] <TheVault> mstrzele: Alright, I'm installing it now. I'll see if it works good
[10:37] <Stormx2> My fonts have screwed up.
[10:37] <Stormx2> Observe;
[10:37] <Stormx2> http://stormx.no-ip.org/www/Screenshot-Halo%202%20Softmodding%20Modding%20Tutorial!%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png
[10:37] <shirish> TheVault: what chipset do u have?
[10:37] <Woody_> can i have the windows vista theme for my ubuntu?
[10:37] <TheVault> shirish: Chipset of what?
[10:38] <mstrzele> Woody_: go to the http://www.gnome-look.org/
[10:38] <shirish> TheVault: I thought u have an intel chipset for graphics
[10:38] <TheVault> shirish: Yeah I do
[10:38] <Woody_> im in there mstrzele
[10:38] <TheVault> shirish: I have a 945GM Express Chipset
[10:38] <Woody_> ill search for one anyway mstrzele
[10:38] <davidw> dammit, the upgrade is broken
[10:38] <shirish> TheVault: ok cool
[10:38] <klicker1> What happened to slytherin ?
[10:39] <shirish> davidw: its not, it works fine
[10:39] <davidw> ProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[10:39] <shirish> its 2 a.m. here
[10:39] <TheVault> shirish: Yeah, I'm going to start helping noobs & things install things through videos
[10:39] <mstrzele> Woody_: there is a vista theme for compiz I guess
[10:39] <shirish> klicker its 2 a.m. here
[10:39] <mstrzele> it looks like vista (transparent panels and etc.)
[10:39] <shirish> TheVault: cool, what are u going to use for screencasting?
[10:40] <klicker1> Okay.  I got disconnected and when I got back (30 seconds or so) he was gone.
[10:40] <TheVault> shirish: Just installed RecordMyDesktop but I don't know how to use it
[10:40] <Shaddox> Does anyone here happen to know anything about setting up BIND, by any chance? ^^
[10:40] <klicker1> So would anyone else care to assist me with the new Network Manager app?
[10:41] <shirish> TheVault: never heard of it, although have been searching for a screencasting application
[10:41] <Naddiseo> Mm, my mouse has frozen.. bugga!
[10:41] <TheVault> shirish: There is istanbul but everytime I use that and get done recording, it crashes. It crashes everytime guarentee
[10:42] <TheVault> shirish: Trying to figure out how to use recordmydesktop and I'm not getting no success, so Imma find another I think
[10:42] <shirish> TheVault: for me it just stays there, does nothing
[10:42] <shirish> TheVault: where did you find it, it isn't in the repos
[10:42] <TheVault> shirish: I just did sudo apt-get install recordmydesktop
[10:43] <Woody_> guys, im new to linux.. i need some help.  I downloaded a theme with .tar.gz as an extension to my desktop. i want to install that theme, what should i do/use?
[10:43] <mstrzele> TheVault: there is xvidcapture also, if u want encode your videos Xvid codec
[10:43] <TheVault> shirish: I'm using Feisty fawn
[10:43] <TheVault> mstrzele: Is that easy to use?
[10:43] <shirish> TheVault: same here, I am using aptitude show <packagename> to find more about it
[10:43] <Shaddox> Hi everyone: How can I get sound in a game that uses the Quake III engine working?
[10:43] <BluesKaj> misfit_toy, are you available
[10:43] <BluesKaj> ?
[10:44] <TheVault> shirish: I'm not to fimiliar with the aptitude command
[10:44] <shirish> TheVault: I had no idea it was low, in unix one has to be careful of caps & small letters
[10:44] <ash211> aptitude == apt-get for all general purposes
[10:44] <TheVault> ash211: Oh ok, Thanks 4 the info
[10:44] <budluva_> Woody_: goto system/preferences/theme
[10:44] <mstrzele> TheVault: yes :) for me
[10:44] <Woody_> okay
[10:45] <budluva_> Woody_: then click on install theme
[10:45] <TheVault> mstrzele: Will I have to install any extra software to use Xvidcapture?
[10:45] <budluva_> Woody_: or drag the tar.gz into that window
[10:45] <klicker1> Fixed.  Never mind on the Network Manager issue.  Thank you.
[10:45] <shirish> TheVault: although they do have a site if you're interested to spend some time around http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/
[10:46] <mstrzele> TheVault: google for "xivdcap +Ubuntu" and open second link
[10:46] <TheVault> mstrzele: I just found this article on xvidcapture - http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/02/05/194332.php
[10:47] <budluva_> Woody_: all good now?
[10:47] <mstrzele> TheVault: on xvidcap's site are *.deb packages, http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/
[10:48] <mstrzele> TheVault: sorry, I can't check the links, I'm on the terminal without any browser (w3m or lynx...)
[10:49] <TheVault> mstrzele: Thnx, imma use xvidcap
[10:51] <shirish> mstrzele: then how are u talking to us, what application are u using to chat with us?
[10:54] <shirish> mstrzele: w3m is cool :p
[10:54] <mstrzele> shirish: irssi ;)
[10:55] <shirish> mstrzele: have to check it out also
[10:55] <mstrzele> shirish: i preffer links2
[10:55] <mstrzele> shirish: it's have something-like gui ;) you can use your mouse if U have installed gpm
[10:55] <shirish> mstrzele: would check that one out also
[10:56] <mstrzele> shirish: and it handles pages with javascript
[10:56] <greig_> where could i download some themes for feisty??
[10:56] <shirish> mstrzele: cool, you said if you have installed gpm, its not a dependency, a suggested package?
[10:57] <jfm3> I'm testing Feisty on my laptop and I'm not sure if I've found a bug or if I'm operating the UI stuipidly:  I get on the wireless network here, everything works, then I plug in the wired network, wireless access then goes away, which is fine, but eth1 (the wireless ix) starts showing up in the routing table later, and in general my network connectivity seems to pause from time to time.  Clues?
[10:57] <mstrzele> shirish: yes, suggested
[10:57] <shirish> mstrzele: this should have been in the package, oh well, would install that as well, its always good to have alternative browsers around, never know when the GUI goes out :)
[10:58] <mstrzele> shirish: the gui goes out if u install x-x-video-intel on laptop with intel gma 950 ;] 
[10:59] <shirish> mstrzele: lol, I got that
[10:59] <lm_> hey could anybody hel me here? I just downloaded the fncychap.sty package to use with latex... where do i have to put the sty file?
[10:59] <shirish> mstrzele: have u already reported the bug?
[11:00] <mstrzele> shirish: yes, i've also attached Xorg.0.log
[11:00] <shirish> mstrzele: seems TheVault went off long time ago
[11:00] <shirish> mstrzele: perhaps x-session.errors would also be in order, I was asked for it
[11:00] <mstrzele> shirish: i think the problem is with dpi calculating and real screen size reporting by intel driver
[11:00] <lm_> anybody?
[11:00] <shirish> mstrzele: not much idea about that, noob here
[11:01] <mstrzele> shirish: me too
[11:02] <shirish> mstrzele: well but u seem better informed than me in this regard atleast
[11:02] <shirish> mstrzele: I have also been skipping the x.org mailing list but only just, most of the things are outta my reach
[11:03] <shirish> mstrzele: wow, links2 is cool
[11:03] <lupine_85> elinks is cooler :p
[11:04] <shirish> lupine_85: damn, one more lol :p
[11:04] <crdlb_> can elinks show images?
[11:04] <lupine_85> not AFAIK
[11:04] <crdlb_> links2>elinks :D
[11:04] <mstrzele> shirish: feisty is first release with which i'm thinking of leaving debian
[11:04] <shirish> mstrzele: that's sad to note :(
[11:04] <poningru> elinks++
[11:04] <poningru> for the js
[11:05] <shirish> mstrzele: or you mean leave debian & come to ubuntu ?
[11:05] <lupine_85> feisty is the first release that made me switch to debian :p
[11:05] <shirish> lol
[11:05] <shirish> poningru: as per mstrzele link2 also does javascript
[11:05] <poningru> uh... it does?
[11:05] <shirish> brb gotta make some coffee
[11:06] <shirish> poningru: yup supposedly it does
[11:06] <poningru> mstrzele: link?
[11:06] <mstrzele> shirish: yes, on everyday i'm using debian and freebsd ;)
[11:06] <lupine_85> just me
[11:07] <kadakas> when i try deleting something in Nautilus, I get this error message: "Not on the same file system"
[11:08] <soothsay> kadakas: Is it a warning or an error?
[11:08] <kadakas> is an error
[11:08] <shirish> mstrzele: ok cool
[11:08] <kadakas> i can delete the same file via terminal without no problems
[11:09] <kadakas> i've tried with multiple files
[11:09] <soothsay> kadakas: Can you shift-delete them?
[11:09] <mstrzele> poningru: links.twibright.com/features.php
[11:09] <kadakas> yes
[11:09] <kadakas> thank you
[11:09] <kadakas> that works
[11:09] <soothsay> kadakas: It's trying to move the files to the trash
[11:10] <soothsay> kadakas: It probably doesn't want to do that if the trash and the files are on different file-systems (probably very slow to move them)
[11:10] <kadakas> so its a "feature", not a bug ?
[11:10] <soothsay> kadakas: shift-delete really removes them (like rm)
[11:11] <soothsay> kadakas: Heh. AFAICT yes. If you had a mounted network filesystem you wouldn't want to move a large file to your local disk when you were trying to delete it.
[11:12] <kadakas> true
[11:12] <jhutchins> Does anyone have 1)Any USB Wireless card and B) A netgear WG111T working in either Edgy or Feisty?
[11:12] <davidw> what's happening with the ppc release of ubuntu... dead completely , or what?
[11:12] <TheSilentW> hello, can anyone help me with this http://pastebin.ca/445412 dont get any reply on #winehq :(
[11:12] <kadakas> davidw: ppc as in pocketpc ?
[11:12] <soothsay> kadakas: PowerPC
[11:12] <kadakas> k
[11:12] <davidw> yeah
[11:13] <soothsay> davidw: I remember hearing it was being discontinued.
[11:13] <davidw> yeah, that's what I recall too:-(
[11:13] <shirish> same here
[11:14] <soothsay> davidw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCReview
[11:14] <soothsay> davidw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SavePPC
[11:14] <shirish> not enough manpower I guess
[11:14] <davidw> yep
[11:14] <Woody_> people, how can i install my printer?
[11:14] <davidw> "in search of stupidity" has some good commentary on motorola's marketing of its chips:-/
[11:15] <richb> Woody_:system->administration->printing
[11:15] <soothsay> Woody_: Are you having a problem with System->Administration->Printing->Add Printer?
[11:16] <Woody_> it says: reading printer database and stops
[11:17] <shirish> that should have read not enough brainpower I guess
[11:17] <soothsay> davidw: I was wrong. PPC is not being discontinued. Just not officially supported
[11:17] <soothsay> davidw: "Removal of the PowerPC port entirely is not under consideration."
[11:18] <richb> Woody_:stops?
[11:18] <Woody_> richb: it got stuck
[11:18] <Woody_> im going to try it again
[11:19] <soothsay> Woody_: What happens exactly? The applications freezes?
[11:19] <Woody_> yes
[11:19] <Woody_> the applications freezed soothsay
[11:19] <Woody_> i think its working now
[11:19] <Woody_> it worked now soothsay, richb
[11:19] <Woody_> ah okay, easy
[11:20] <tomasz> Hello i've got a problem with cpu frequency scalling. Got 7.04 and C2D and seems not to work;/ Been searching the internet for 5 past days and I am a bit confused, anyone could help?
[11:21] <shirish> tomasz: I have heard you before, can u elaborate what do u mean by frequency scaling?
[11:21] <mon^rch> hey :) I got the emerald themer working with the new compiz :)
[11:22] <soothsay> shirish: I assume he means the power saving feature (primarily for laptops) of reducing CPU frequency
[11:22] <shirish> ah, that I read some bug on that today, didn't connect that with power scaling
[11:23] <tomasz> My cpu has speedstep so i guess it should go down to sth about 800Mhz (1Ghz? whatever) while idle and on battery. While the grub manager says that it cannot change /scale the cpu freq. I did enable laptop-mode
[11:23] <tomasz> Yeah, laptop :)
[11:23] <shirish> tomasz: did u check launchpad.net there is a bug-report written specifically on that
[11:24] <shirish> tomasz: there is also something on the wiki, saw it today but had been reading like anything the whole day so won't recall the links
[11:24] <shirish> tomasz: btw I'm a desktop user
[11:25] <iocaste> I'm a desktop user and use CPU frequency scaling. Although I set it up ages ago on Dapper and can't remember how I did it :(. Seems to be working OK on feisty for me
[11:25] <mon^rch> what package do Install again to get GL Desktop in my menu?
[11:25] <tomasz> shirish: I C. well i haven't checked that website. will do that now. anyway google doesn't know the answer, or i don;'t know how to ask :)
[11:26] <spike> hi there
[11:26] <shirish> tomasz: what I would suggest is looking at launchpad for the bug-report on similar lines
[11:26] <shirish> tomasz: failing that wiki.ubuntu.com , think there is a spec. workaround or something like that
[11:26] <atselby> i just did an update and now my sound died. any help?
[11:26] <spike> was updating feisty but it dies with the following error: http://paste.debian.net/25893
[11:26] <shirish> sorry can't help u much
[11:27] <spike> there seems to be something wrong with volumeid...
[11:27] <spike> running a raid system, no lvm
[11:27] <atselby> goddamn
[11:27] <atselby> hows the update affect the frciking sound
[11:29] <richb> It's beta, things go wrong:)
[11:29] <tomasz> shirish: THX i guess i found similar problem, hope i could find a solution
[11:29] <shirish> welcome
[11:30] <Woody_> from Fiesty beta to Fiesty Final, upgrading is easy? or i should burn the image file and reinstall it?
[11:30] <atselby> richb: i know but the update has nothing to do with sound...
[11:30] <|NewUser|> well how can i install opera ? is there opera in repo ?
[11:32] <richb> atselby: if you do system->preferences->sond what does it show you?
[11:32] <shirish> Woody_: I would recommend burning an image, and trying to upgrade using the CD as your upgrade path
[11:32] <atselby> richb: not loading. hold on.
[11:33] <atselby> richb: here we go.. selection for playback
[11:33] <shirish> Woody_: for it fails, you do have the option to install it from the CD itself
[11:33] <Woody_> shirish: my setting will be the same? or i will lose everything?
[11:33] <richb> atselby: Does it show your sound card there?
[11:33] <atselby> richb: set to auto detect on all but capture
[11:34] <Woody_> what is the best Bible reading software there?
[11:34] <shirish> Woody_: as always, its good to have backups, although you shouldn't have any major issues if you follow the correct procedure
[11:34] <richb> atselby: if you select the menu does it show the card in there?
[11:34] <Woody_> ah okay shirish, thanks for the infos
[11:34] <atselby> richb: i cant recall what card i have but it shwos a great deal...
[11:34] <atselby> richb; leme check the card.
[11:35] <atselby> wait. on autodetecct the test works. {richb{
[11:35] <richb> atselby: Mm, sounds like an application problem then, what were you using when it did not work?
[11:35] <atselby> richb: Firefox.
[11:36] <richb> atselby: I don't understand
[11:37] <atselby> richb: from a flash based script, the myspace music player.
[11:37] <atselby> richb: is there any option for plugins such as flash to paly sound?
[11:37] <richb> Ah I don't use Flash I am afraid.
[11:37] <atselby> okay well. ill search around.
[11:37] <atselby> i hadnt messed with sound prefs so.. Thanks though richb.
[11:37] <richb> NP.
[11:37] <N6REJ> has anyone gotten vmware-server to install in fiesty?  I can't seem to get it
[11:38] <|NewUser|> is there any opera for fiesty ?
[11:38] <atselby> richb: fixed in a firefox setting... musta been changed in an upgrade of some kind.. huhm
[11:41] <richb> atselby: All's well that ends well:-)
[11:44] <Woody_> does Google Earth work in Fiesty?
[11:44] <atselby> woody_: ive got it want me to try?
[11:44] <Woody_> if you have the time atselby
[11:45] <atselby> woody_: sure thing, i was wanting to test it through some anywho
[11:45] <Woody_> what are you using for compilation?
[11:45] <instabin> I upgraded 6.10 to 7.04 and when i used the restricted drives manager to install the nvidia driver it wont start x. Says it faild to load glx
[11:45] <Bebito> hi
[11:46] <atselby> woddy_: it just crashed for me..
[11:46] <Woody_> atselby, what are you using for compilation?
[11:46] <atiredmachine> So my system sometimes freezes up (but music keeps playing and I can still move my mouse) for a few seconds, but last time it did it it didn't come out of it.  I've checked my logs and memcheck86+
[11:46] <Woody_> ah :( atselby
[11:46] <atselby> woody: just crashed. and i dont recall exactly since it was installed back on edgy but.. think i got it right from the google site
[11:46] <richb> instabin: Could you post your xorg.conf somewhere?
[11:46] <atselby> woody_: it might work in a fresh install so i dunno. good luck though
[11:47] <Woody_> maybe with the final release it might work atselby
[11:47] <instabin> richb: yes but i modified to to use the nv driver so i could get it back up and running
[11:47] <atselby> hopefully.. It was a nice app.
[11:47] <richb> instabin: Could you post the Xorg.log too?
[11:47] <Woody_> yes, atselby :)
[11:48] <atiredmachine> Anybody have any ideas?
[11:49] <instabin> richb: pastebin.com is not working
[11:49] <instabin> richb do you have some where else i can paste it
[11:49] <Woody_> instabin: you can use: http://paste.uni.cc/
[11:50] <instabin> richb: here his the xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16172/
[11:50] <instabin> where is the xorg.log
[11:51] <|NewUser|> is there any version of opera browser in fiesty ?
[11:51] <richb> /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[11:51] <|NewUser|> !opera
[11:51] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[11:52] <Woody_> !poker
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about poker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:53] <instabin> richb: here his the xorg.log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16173/
[11:53] <Worrum> hello, i'm having NetworkManager/wpa_supplicant related troubles and i wonder if anyone were to help me
[11:53] <Woody_> does beryl/compiz slow up the pc?
[11:53] <nomasteryoda> no
[11:54] <cavediver> Hi.
[11:54] <instabin> Woddy_: slows my old athlon 1ghz with 512 mg and a 5700 geforce down a tiny bit
[11:54] <nomasteryoda> i'm using it on a dell laptop Woody_ and has 8mb video ram... you might see some issues with rendering movies and GL stuff, but you can simply turn off via the tray icon
[11:54] <cavediver> Where can i read more on the new "managent interface" for 7.04 server ?
[11:55] <Woody_> instabin: my 2.4GHZ 512 mg Geforce 4 also is slowed down
[11:55] <richb> instabin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2343056
[11:55] <Worrum> i can't seem to get NetworkManager start wpa_supplicant with a config, it just uses wext as driver and no config what so ever
[11:55] <cavediver> And will there be options for installing virtual machines in the installation ?
[11:55] <tomasz> I'm back all happy and cheering! After reading launchpad.net i've fixed it. Now there is a question where to report my solution to help others?
[11:55] <instabin> richb thanks
[11:55] <tomasz> I'm back all happy and cheering! After reading launchpad.net i've fixed it. Now there is a question where to report my solution to help others?
[11:56] <leth_> Hey hey, has anyone got time to help me with dvd playback?
[11:57] <leth_> I (think i) have the right mediubuntu stuff installed, but i can't get anything to play anything beyond the copyright disclaimer
[11:58] <atiredmachine> How do I get mysql to run at start up?
[11:59] <richb> atiredmachine: It should have an init script.
[11:59] <richb> /etc/init.d
[11:59] <atiredmachine> yeah, /etc/init.d/mysql start
[11:59] <atiredmachine> if I put that in the terminal it runs, but I always have to do it manually
[12:00] <richb> Ahh, you can do something like: sudo update-rc.d somescript defaults
[12:01] <richb> If you wish it to start at boot time.
[12:03] <Tom__g> hi all, anyone managed to get aiglx running with an r300/350 chipset? im getting crazy graphical curruption here
[12:04] <leth_> atiredmachine: forgive me if i'm completely wrong, but is it not under System - Administration - Services?
[12:04] <leth_> as Database something...
[12:04] <richb> Tom__g: ubuntu-effects might be better
[12:05] <Tom__g> richb : ok thanks ill try it
[12:05] <leth_> anyone able to give me some pointers on dvd playback?
[12:05] <HOT> hey folks, anyone have a bullet proof setup tutorial for vmware workstation on fiesty?
[12:07] <atiredmachine> leth_, you are very correct!  I wonder why it wasn't on by default.
[12:08] <leth_> hehe, for once the GUI way works :P :)
[12:09] <atoponce> i hear that feisty might be late? any truth behind the rumour?
[12:09] <mc44> it may be, it may not
[12:09] <mc44> there is no further information
[12:09] <Worrum> anyone know how to load a wpa_supplicant conf when using the NetworkManager?
[12:10] <richb> Going to go watch the cricket high(low)lights, nn all
[12:10] <atoponce> mc44: ok. just thought i'd check. it's got two days though, right... the 19th, i think?
[12:10] <mc44> atoponce: yep. There are final image candidates in testing atm
[12:11] <atoponce> mc44: cool. thx
[12:12] <leth_> I'm getting odd keyboard problems over vnc, anyone else?
[12:12] <leth_> i can't send pipes or some other chars
[12:12] <leth_> it's a windows client, but i remember it working fine before
[12:16] <VirhYl3> Installed updates, rebooted, lost the bar at the bottom with the clock and everything in it.
[12:17] <leth_> yup, same wierdness with an osx client
[12:17] <VirhYl3> Figured out how to boot Avant Dock thingy, so at least I can drive around.
[12:18] <VirhYl3> Actually, this is how I'd rather run, but I don't think it was supposed to crash like that.
[12:19] <CarlFK> is there an easy way to set feisty to connect wifi before a user logs in to X?
[12:20] <leth_> CarlFK: manually set the wireless settings?
[12:20] <leth_> CarlFK: System - Admin.. - Network
[12:22] <atiredmachine> Hey, so anybody got any ideas why my system freezes up occasionally (mouse still moves and music still plays, but nothing else budges).. usually lasts only a few seconds, usually while using Firefox, one time it didn't come out of it and alt-ctrl-d*'s didn't work or anything
[12:23] <|NewUser|> how can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.. so this is my all update and download packages there.. anyone can help ?