[12:13] <shawarma> I get something quite unexpected on pastebin.org.
[12:13] <pochu> It doesn't exist anymore
[12:13] <pochu> shawarma: adds? :)
[12:13] <shawarma> Well, yes. Weird ones.
[12:14] <shawarma> There's the usual directory to things to vist, but also a picture of skin with spots on it.
[12:14] <shawarma> Wierd.
[12:15] <damko> pochu: thanks
[12:15] <pochu> shawarma: yeah, same here :/
[12:26] <damko>  /away
[12:35] <slomo_> shawarma: ping?
[01:16] <shawarma> slomo_: yes?
[01:17] <shawarma> slomo_: How can I be of service?
[01:17] <slomo_> shawarma: iirc you're libmms upstream? i might have a bug for you ;)
[01:17] <shawarma> slomo_: Yes, I suppose I am.
[01:17] <slomo_> shawarma: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer0.10/+bug/97686 or http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=425948
[01:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 97686 in gstreamer0.10 "Totem-GStreamer doesn't play CNN Pipeline" [Low,Confirmed]  
[01:18] <shawarma> slomo_: That's fine. I'll take the patches from the Ubuntu packages at some point.
[01:18] <shawarma> slomo_: You know the vulnerability that was found in it some time ago?
[01:18] <shawarma> slomo_: Noone told me. 
[01:18] <slomo_> nope
[01:19] <shawarma> slomo_: I was coincidentally browsing the changelog.Debian and found references to CVE's and everything. Noone told me. Since then I've just looked at the distro bugtrackers from time to time and imported patches.
[01:21] <shawarma> slomo_: I must admit it's very low on my TODO list. Some Swedish guy mentioned he might more or less take it over. Something about the Swedish government paying him to improve the Linux mms situation so that Swedish television can use it for streaming.. Haven't heard much from him in a while though.
[01:22] <shawarma> Er... I don't know why I'm ranting about this. It just needed to be aired, I guess.
[01:22] <shawarma> :-)
[01:23] <slomo_> :)
[01:23] <shawarma> slomo_: Thanks for letting me know. I won't have time before Feisty, unfortunately.
[01:23] <slomo_> np, just look at it whenever you want :)
[01:24] <shawarma> slomo_: Going to UDS, by the way?
[01:24] <slomo_> nope, too busy with other stuff :/
[01:25] <shawarma> Schade.
[01:26] <shawarma> wel..
[01:26] <shawarma> doh.. 
[01:26] <shawarma> If I mess that sort of thing up, i should definitely go to bed.
[01:27] <shawarma> Much better.
[01:27] <ajmitch> certainly
[01:27] <shawarma> Cheers.
[01:27] <ajmitch> bye
[01:27] <slomo_> gn8 shawarma :)
[05:39] <joejaxx> it has been super quiet in here :P
[05:41] <ajmitch> everyone's working
[05:41] <joejaxx> :)
[07:44] <sacater> joejaxx: 4 in the morning local time.... so what would you expect :P
[07:45] <sacater> ajmitch: heh, just saw your and crimsums name on banshee update :P
[07:45] <sacater> names*
[07:46] <ajmitch> sorry?
[07:50] <sacater> na
[07:50] <sacater> thats good :D
[07:53] <ajmitch> ok, why mention it?
[08:02] <sacater> meh
[08:02] <sacater> :P
[08:03] <sacater> there is still a lot of network trouble out there :( expecially wireless
[08:03] <sacater> 2 questions about it already today :'(
[08:04] <sacater> yeah
[08:04] <sacater> some guy wants to have gftp with 'cut copy and paste'
[08:04] <sacater> https://answers.launchpad.net/gftp/+ticket/5119
[08:06] <ajmitch> it's not that bad a suggestion
[08:07] <ajmitch> though I'd rather use nautilus as an ftp client
[08:08] <sacater> thunar here :P
[08:08] <sacater> i left him an answer
[08:10] <sacater> does anyone here run dual-display?
[08:15] <ajmitch> yes
[08:19] <dholbach> good morning
[08:23] <sacater> dholbach: mornin
[08:23] <dholbach> hey sacater
[08:23] <sacater> ajmitch: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+ticket/5121
[08:23] <sacater> might be worth a look
[08:24] <ajmitch> sure, but configuration is different for different devices
[08:24] <sacater> oh poop
[08:36] <sacater> dosnt count :P
[08:37] <StevenK> What about ScottK's setup with x2x?
[08:40] <sacater> :P
[08:47] <ScottK> Of course sometimes I set the laptop on the floor and one of the dogs steps on the keyboard and then anything could happen...
[08:51] <sacater> imbrandon: sorry, the council meeting is 9pm london time, 20:00 UTC otherwise
[08:52] <\sh> moins
[08:53] <ScottK> StevenK: I'd suggest it's better to confirm them and then fix released them after the sync window opens.
[08:56] <imbrandon> sacater, ok, thats like ummm 3pm localtime or so
[09:01] <StevenK> /tmp/buildd/ppmd-9.1/ppmd e read_me.out
[09:01] <StevenK> Ooops
[09:27] <StevenK> Hrm. What about unmetdeps that can't be fixed, like an arch-indep package depending on an arch-dep one.
[09:28] <StevenK> RAOF: bootcd-ia64 is Arch: all, and depends on elilo, which is ia64 only
[09:29] <RAOF> Aaah.  Does it make any sense to use it on anything else?
[09:29] <StevenK> Not really.
[09:29] <RAOF> Then it's not really a problem, is it?  If you really wanted to, you could "fix" it by just making bootcd-ia64 arch dep
[09:34] <imbrandon> StevenK, why  not just make it ia64 only instead of all
[09:35] <StevenK> I'd rather not make that call.
[09:35] <StevenK> The Debian maintainer has a reason, I suspect.
[09:44] <tepsipakki> I've never been to UDS, how should I plan the budget for the week? It still is unlikely I could make it there, though
[09:47] <ajmitch> sponsored?
[09:48] <tepsipakki> not a chance anymore
[09:48] <ajmitch> since canonical have supplied some meals (breakfast, lunch, sometimes dinner) in the past
[09:48] <ajmitch> ah :(
[09:48] <ajmitch> then there's the large amount of money to spend on alcohol
[09:48] <tepsipakki> heh, granted
[09:48] <ajmitch> if you stay at the same hotel, that cuts down on taxi costs
[09:49] <ajmitch> so mostly food, accomodation, etc
[09:49] <ajmitch> since I speak no spanish ;)
[09:49] <\sh> ajmitch: are you member of motu-uvf? ;) if so, please approve UVF exception on wine 0.9.35...just because of the time
[09:50] <ajmitch> gah
[09:50] <tepsipakki> accommodation would be provided even without being officially sponsored?
[09:50] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: no
[09:50] <tepsipakki> thought so
[09:50] <ajmitch> \sh: LP is dead, so no :P
[09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: I just saw :(
[09:51] <tepsipakki> that would make it more like 1kEUR for the week.. hmm, need to pass this time :/
[09:51] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: yeah it gets expensive quickly
[09:51] <tepsipakki> too bad the wiki-page never got any updates
[09:52] <ajmitch> they did say that they weren't taking sponsorship requests by wiki this time
[09:52] <tepsipakki> where was that?
[09:53] <ajmitch> but people used it as a sponsorship request anyway
[09:53] <tepsipakki> it wasn't mentioned on neither of those
[09:54] <tepsipakki> s/n//
[09:54] <tepsipakki> er
[09:54] <imbrandon> its in the email
[09:54] <ajmitch> can anyone get to the hotel website?
[09:54] <tepsipakki> imbrandon: what email?
[09:54] <ajmitch> ah, it's there now
[09:54] <imbrandon> the announcement
[09:54] <ajmitch> gave me 500 internal error
[09:54] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[09:54] <imbrandon> ajmitch, must be hosted on windows with aspx :)
[09:55] <tepsipakki> imbrandon: no it's not :)
[09:55] <ajmitch> apache on windows
[09:55] <imbrandon> tepsipakki, gah, one sec i'll dig it out
[09:57] <imbrandon> hrm what was the date
[09:57] <imbrandon> of the announcement >?
[09:57] <tepsipakki> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2007-February/000097.html
[09:58] <imbrandon> no the actual announcement, not "upcomming events"
[09:59] <imbrandon> anyhow it says at the bottom of the wiki also that the details for sponsorship arent the wiki
[09:59] <tepsipakki> no it doesn't
[09:59] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla
[09:59] <imbrandon> sure does
[09:59] <imbrandon> i'm there now
[09:59] <tepsipakki> "There will be limited sponsorship from Canonical to allow community members to attend the UDS, but the specifics of this sponsorship are currently being discussed and more information will be available soon."
[10:00] <highvoltage> imbrandon: are you going to Sevilla?
[10:00] <imbrandon> highvoltage, not this time
[10:00] <ajmitch> highvoltage: you are, I presume?
[10:00] <highvoltage> ajmitch: if I can get my visa sorted in time *gulp*
[10:00] <ajmitch> uh oh
[10:00] <ajmitch> you're planning to be there for all of UES & UDS?
[10:01] <highvoltage> yes
[10:01] <highvoltage> I'm taking 3 hops to get there, so I'm leaving the 30'th already
[10:02] <highvoltage> going to try to get that visa sorted out today
[10:03] <tepsipakki> imbrandon: do you see that text in the page?
[10:04] <ajmitch> only 3 hops?
[10:05] <ajmitch> not bad
[10:05] <ajmitch> johannesburg->madrid will be long
[10:05] <highvoltage> will probably be around 10 hours
[10:05] <ajmitch> hm
[10:05] <highvoltage> cape town to jo'burg is about 2 hours
[10:06] <highvoltage> OUCH
[10:06] <ajmitch> yeah, the one bad thing about being in NZ
[10:07] <highvoltage> only bad thing is, I'm missing the local CokeFest (http://5fm.co.za/events/eventsdetails.aspx?id=7281) and will now have to miss it :/
[10:07] <highvoltage> (guns & roses, staind, evanescence, 3 doors down... etc)
[10:08] <shawarma> CokeFest?
[10:08] <shawarma> Interesting name.
[10:08] <highvoltage> way too overcommercialised :)
[10:09] <shawarma> Is that the actual name of the event?
[10:09] <highvoltage> shawarma: yep. see the link I posted.
[10:09] <ajmitch> highvoltage: but you get to be around wonderful people like us!
[10:09] <shawarma> I clicked it when you posted it. it's not done loading yet. :-)
[10:10] <highvoltage> ajmitch: indeed :)
[10:10] <shawarma> I've got the title, but still a blank page.
[10:10] <ajmitch> shawarma: internet in .za :)
[10:10] <highvoltage> hehe
[10:10] <shawarma> ajmitch: Indeed. I'm imagining rusty barb wire or something.
[10:11] <ajmitch> probably about 10Mbps total international traffic for the whole country ;)
[10:11] <imbrandon> cable for the whole country :)
[10:11] <ajmitch> for NZ, we have wet string & rusty tin cans
[10:11] <highvoltage> (if even that much)
[10:12] <shawarma> I wonder what sort of bandwidth you could actually squeeze through rusty barb wire...
[10:12] <ajmitch> probably quite a bit over a short distance
[10:12] <shawarma> Yay! Here we go!
[10:12] <ajmitch> if you have tx/rx pairs a decent distance apart to prevent crosstalk
[10:12] <shawarma> Nice. Dark (very!) gray on black background.
[10:13] <ajmitch> very readable :)
[10:14] <highvoltage> shawarma: the white background image is probably still loading :)
[10:14] <shawarma> highvoltage: Ah. 
[10:17] <shawarma> Ah, yes, there it comes.
[10:17] <shawarma> Oh, "Coke" as in "Coca Cola". Yes, that makes more sense.
[10:17] <shawarma> ...given it's an official name.
[10:21] <highvoltage> shawarma: haha!
[10:33] <Hobbsee> dholbach: are you sure you got those names right, for the inactive MOTUs?
[10:34] <dholbach> Hobbsee: why?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> dholbach: Nafallo's active.  he's here, for a start
[10:34] <Hobbsee> (bottom of your list)
[10:34] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I know, I just pinged him about it again - he seems to have missed the mail
[10:34] <Hobbsee> ahh
[10:35] <dholbach> Hobbsee: he did an upload a week after gauvain mailed him
[10:35] <Hobbsee> ahh
[10:35] <ajmitch> do I count as an inactive motu?
[10:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no.  but keep uploading
[10:36] <Lathiat> heh
[10:37] <Lathiat> i did an upload yesterday!
[10:37] <Lathiat> ;)
[10:37] <ajmitch> yay!
[10:37] <Lathiat> first in far too long!
[10:37] <Lathiat> well actually i didnt technically upload it
[10:37] <Lathiat> but i prepared it ;p
[10:37] <Lathiat> cant upload to -security :)
[10:37] <ajmitch> cacti?
[10:37] <Lathiat> at least not afaik
[10:37] <Lathiat> yeh
[10:37] <Lathiat> had 3 boxes hacked by that stupid old package in dapper ;p
[10:37] <Lathiat> figured it was time to do something about it
[10:38] <dholbach> and trust me: it wasn't easy to decide on a list of people we wrote to
[10:38] <Lathiat> http://www.overclockers.com.au/pic.php?pic=images/timeline.png
[10:38] <dholbach> but what's more important: it will be easy to re-apply and join back in
[10:43] <lucas> which list are you talking about ?
[10:45] <dholbach> lucas: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-April/000083.html
[10:45] <Hobbsee> dholbach: didnt think it would be
[10:47] <lucas> erm was that list announced on ubuntu-motu@ ? :-)
[10:47] <ajmitch> lucas: should it be?
[10:48] <dholbach> lucas: no, and that was for a reason
[10:48] <dholbach> lucas: everybody should have the chance to say privately what his/her reasons are for for not being active in the group - this might be personal and not appropriate for a public mailing list
[10:49] <lucas> sorry, I meant: was that *mailing list* announced on ubuntu-motu@ ?
[10:49] <lucas> I wasn't aware of it
[10:49] <dholbach> ah ok, yes it was
[10:50] <lucas> ah, looks like I missed it
[10:51] <dholbach> after the release, I'll try to check the MOTU wiki pages and make sure it's referenced more prominently, if it's not enough already
[10:51] <dholbach> (among other things :))
[11:14] <\sh> who is inactive? 
[11:16] <ajmitch> dholbach: how happy are you with wine 0.9.35?
[11:16] <ajmitch> it's a big change to have hit a couple of days before release
[11:17] <ajmitch> looks like it has +1 from both crimsun & siretart though
[11:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes, but it's wine...
[11:17] <dholbach> ajmitch: if they both said 'ok', then it's 'ok', no? :)
[11:19] <\sh> ajmitch: see comment from siretart (and crimsun)...for gutsy gibbon we have to try to have a different way for wine
[11:19] <dholbach> and more bug forwarding ;-)
[11:19] <siretart> dholbach: in effect, crimsum and I agreed that we should for this special case trust \sh and scott's assesment of the package, since they both worked hard on having it fit for feisty
[11:20] <siretart> dholbach: on a side note, I'm not too happy how wine is handeled in ubuntu. we should have a session in sevilla about wine discussing the issues
[11:20] <\sh> dholbach: many bugs are not distro specific...and we won't get any support from upstream with our stacktraces
[11:20] <dholbach> siretart: we have other packages which are well maintained and had comments from upstream authors too
[11:20] <dholbach> \sh: sure most stuff is not distro specific
[11:20] <\sh> dholbach: just because it's not because of wine, but the work between wine + windows apps
[11:21] <dholbach> \sh: I don't understand what you're trying to say
[11:21] <\sh> ajmitch: http://archive.linux-server.org ;)
[11:21] <siretart> ;)
[11:21] <ajmitch> \sh: that's no use for me
[11:21] <ajmitch> I have amd64, I don't use wine
[11:21] <\sh> dholbach: the traces of apport don't fullfill the needs of upstream 
[11:21] <dholbach> \sh: are you sure about that?
[11:22] <ajmitch> wine needs *loads* of debug options
[11:22] <\sh> dholbach: talked with pitti about it, and the results of retrace are no use
[11:22] <ajmitch> not just a simple stacktrace
[11:22] <dholbach> hm
[11:22] <ajmitch> you need to run wine with the right +debug magic
[11:22] <dholbach> maybe we should get going and have a DebuggingWine page
[11:22] <dholbach> that upstream can help us with
[11:22] <\sh> dholbach: you have three different problems with wine: 1. wine loads elf libs, 2. wine loads elf-fified dlls and 3. wine loads windows dlls ,-)
[11:23] <ajmitch> 4. wine runs proprietary code :)
[11:23] <dholbach> i'm happy with their release cycle (quick to do updates), but I'm not happy about having no idea which of our bugs gets adressed and which not
[11:23] <\sh> ajmitch: that's a problem of the maintainer not having the money to buy strange commercial software ,->
[11:23] <dholbach> it's always a game where we might have luck or have not
[11:23] <ajmitch> dholbach: their release cycle is to roll a snapshot every 2 weeks
[11:23] <ajmitch> no matter if there are regressions
[11:24] <dholbach> we need to find out how we can get more information for them and track our bugs
[11:24] <\sh> correct
[11:24] <dholbach> "buy commercial software" can't be the only solution
[11:24] <ajmitch> I think we'd have heard the cries from upstream that 0.9.35 is bad by now (I hope)
[11:25] <ajmitch> so we'll approve 0.9.35 for now, and argue about something better around UDS? :)
[11:26] <dholbach> \sh: could you ask upstream to help us with writing a DebuggingWine so we can refer people to that in bug reports and better track the bugs we receive?
[11:26] <\sh> dholbach: will do...I'll talk with scott as well about it.
[11:26] <dholbach> thanks
[11:27] <dholbach> http://kegel.com/wine/qa/
[11:27] <dholbach> http://wiki.winehq.org/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=debug
[11:27] <ajmitch> is that the xrender patch?
[11:28] <dholbach> also http://www.winehq.org/site/contributing
[11:28] <ajmitch> & you have wine build-depending on libxrender-dev ?
[11:29] <dholbach> so there's enough information we can refine in a DebuggingWine page
[11:30] <\sh> ajmitch: there is no 0.9.35 package in ubuntu right now
[11:30] <ajmitch> I know
[11:30] <ajmitch> scott's packages
[11:30] <\sh> ajmitch: so they think about scotts
[11:31] <\sh> ajmitch: scott hasn't have the patch in his package..
[11:31] <ajmitch> so you have the patch, and b-d on libxrender-dev?
[11:32] <dholbach> that smells like -backports material - i don't think we can seriously test that
[11:32] <ajmitch> good to see dholbach thinks as I do :)
[11:33] <highvoltage> anyone happen to know where software-properties-gtk gets its sources from?
[11:33] <dholbach> highvoltage: /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:33] <dholbach> or what do you mean?
[11:34] <zorglu_> q. with the new cnr stuff, how cnr knows the structure of the package ? will it parse the existing .deb/.rpm ? or a new package format is required ?
[11:34] <\sh> ajmitch: they are complaining about xrandr
[11:34] <zorglu_> please suggest a better place if there is on
[11:34] <zorglu_> e
[11:34] <highvoltage> dholbach: well, it knows about the ubuntu sources even if there's no /etc/apt/sources.list file
[11:35] <highvoltage> dholbach: I'd like to replace them with other 'default' sources
[11:35] <dholbach> highvoltage: best to ask mvo
[11:35] <highvoltage> dholbach: thanks, will do
[11:35] <dholbach> np
[11:36] <\sh> ajmitch: and 0.9.35 from me is working...(read the notepad test ;))
[11:36] <\sh> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel/50338
[11:37] <ajmitch> yeah I can't rely on just notepad
[11:40] <\sh> ajmitch: you can't rely on wine, that's more the point...agreed with siretart to remove wine from ubuntu completly
[11:40] <ajmitch> & make lots of users unhappy :)
[11:40] <imbrandon> what !?!
[11:40] <\sh> ajmitch: but makes live easier ,-)
[11:40] <\sh> actually it's sabdfls fault ,->
[11:40] <dholbach> ???
[11:41] <imbrandon> ??
[11:41] <imbrandon> wine is not getting removed is it ?
[11:41] <imbrandon> wtf
[11:41] <\sh> sabdfl wanted to have for breezy the packages from winehq ,->
[11:41] <zorglu_> ok it wasnt the proper place to ask about cnr :)
[11:41] <dholbach> \sh: oh man
[11:41] <ajmitch> imbrandon: don't jump to conclusions yet ;)
[11:41] <imbrandon> heh sorry just got back to the keyboard
[11:45] <\sh> anyways...when you are sitting in sevilla..talk about wine...
[11:46] <\sh> and I try to convince scott to become a motu
[11:47] <siretart> imbrandon: no. removing wine in favor to a dedicated PPA was my idea. it is my preference to remove it already from feisty, based on the information that the current version in broken, and a proposed new upstream fixes many and breaks other things
[11:48] <siretart> imbrandon: nothing is decided yet and we are all pretty unsure on how to proceed. at least I am
[11:49] <siretart> \sh: I feel uneasy to convince ppl to do something. IME they tend to do the job as long as you push them, but no longer
[11:49] <dholbach> I don't feel that's a good way to 'maintain' a package :-/
[11:49] <ajmitch> siretart: I don;t know about the package breaking many other things
[11:49] <siretart> ajmitch: oh, that's what I understood from your lines above regarding libxrender
[11:50] <siretart> feel free to correct me
[11:50] <\sh> siretart: well he is preparing the packages for winehq (dapper, edgy) .. and I'm doing the packages for feisty...and I am using changes from scott and scott is using changes from me
[11:50] <ajmitch> siretart: from what I can tell, \sh has fixed that problem
[11:51] <siretart> cool
[11:51] <\sh> ajmitch: but it hasn't anything to do with libxrender-dev because wine never build against it
[11:52] <\sh> the patch fixed the cursor stuff...it was know already for 0.9.34 but was never fixed for 0.9.35
[11:52] <\sh> I took the patch 
[11:53] <\sh> scott not
[11:55] <\sh> RAOF: please don't ...it will introduce more trouble 
[11:55] <RAOF> You mean, in that x86-64 users will actually use wine? :)
[11:56] <\sh> RAOF: read the bug reports from wine in LP
[11:56] <\sh> lucnhtime...bbl
[12:06] <RAOF> I seem to remember someone suggesting a tutorial in how to read an apport backtrace at some point.  I could do with one :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> RAOF: i read firefox ones but not sure ho wto explain it. i look for first real line than the first line aftter main
[12:52] <jekil2> hello
[01:32] <danirus> Hi raphink
[01:32] <raphink> hi danirus
[01:32] <danirus> still therere problems with REVY
[01:33] <danirus> excuse me, I'd say, if there're still problems with REVU
[01:44] <danirus> does anybody know why svn_load_dirs script doesn't come with subversion-tools in feisty?
[01:48] <danirus> the situation is that svn-inject (from svn-buildpackage) fails because this script svn_load_dirs (from subversion-tools) is not installed
[02:16] <DarkSun88> Hi
[02:16] <ScottK> Hello
[02:17] <\sh> re
[02:17] <StevenK> Hrm.
[02:17] <StevenK> Didn't I upload something for DarkSun88 today...
[02:18] <DarkSun88> StevenK: Don't worry.
[02:22] <StevenK> Oh that's it. twig
[02:35] <DarkSun88> StevenK: There is only Nagat in my archive for upload
[02:35] <DarkSun88> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nagat/+bug/93938
[02:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 93938 in nagat "[UNMETDEPS]  nagat has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[02:36] <StevenK> Hrm, maybe I'm confusing you with someone else.
[02:37] <DarkSun88> :D
[02:37] <StevenK> I'm not.
[02:37] <StevenK> DarkSun88: bug 96325
[02:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 96325 in twig "[UNMETDEPS]  twig has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96325
[02:38] <DarkSun88> Yes, I'm Michele Angrisano
[02:40] <zul>  /join #ubuntu-meeting
[02:40] <zul> oops
[02:41] <StevenK> DarkSun88: Yes, and I uploaded something for you. So there. :-)
[02:42] <DarkSun88> Thank you :)
[02:45] <\sh> ajmitch / siretart / dholbach: so any clue what to do with wine 0.9.35 ... postpone for feisty+1? 
[02:46] <dholbach> yes, I'd prefer that - and maybe get it into -backports
[02:47] <\sh> dholbach: k...so we ship wine without scim support and a broken arts stuff in winecfg...
[02:47] <\sh> s/without/broken/ scim support better to say
[02:48] <dholbach> ok, better let me add my reservations to the bug report
[02:51] <\sh> dholbach: what do you think about feisty-updates for wine? imho for the user a better solution, just because many of them are not using backports
[02:52] <dholbach> did you read about the SRU procedure?
[02:52] <\sh> dholbach: the changed ones not, the old ones yes.
[02:52] <dholbach> both procedures are and were for very isolated issues
[02:52] <dholbach> with readable and understandable patches
[02:53] <dholbach> 0.9.33 -> 0.9.35 would not be appropriate for that, I feel
[02:55] <ScottK> If users aren't using backports, we shouldn't make that choice for them...
[02:55] <dholbach> right
[03:02] <sword__> hi
[03:08] <danirus> Hi raphink, could you help me with the package tclodbc?
[03:14] <danirus> Hi ajmitch, siretart, sistpoty, I've uploaded a package to REVU, but I didn't receive any confirmation email.
[03:14] <siretart> danirus: revu doesn't send confirmation mails. where did you hear about that?
[03:15] <danirus> I was talking with raphink about this
[03:15] <danirus> last friday
[03:15] <danirus> I sent a package and he was checking something
[03:16] <siretart> well, mails are sent to a mailing list, but not to the submitter directly
[03:17] <danirus> I am subscribed to motu-reviewers, but I haven't got nothing there
[03:19] <zul> did you upload it to the right place?
[03:19] <danirus> I think so, I did before, raphink was checking it, he makes some suggestions, and yesterday I uploaded it again, it's the tclodbc package.
[03:20] <raphink> siretart:that's the problem I was trying to tel lyo uabout 
[03:20] <raphink> some packages don't show up on the interface
[03:20] <raphink> it's the case of tclodbc and ardour2 for ex
[03:20] <raphink> ah well no
[03:20] <raphink> ardour2 is archived I was told
[03:20] <raphink> ;)
[03:22] <danirus> raphink, siretart, it looks like you are working on a problem around revu, I don't want to disturb you
[03:23] <danirus> If I can help you in some way, let me know
[03:23] <siretart> raphink: I'll return tonight at home, I'll see that I can look into it tomorrow
[03:23] <siretart> raphink: could you do any diagnostics? any idea whats wrong?
[03:24] <raphink> no 
[03:24] <raphink> I'm sorry I'm overwhelmed with work right now
[03:24] <raphink> I have 30 minutes to finish debugging something and run to the airpot
[03:24] <siretart> danirus: well, we really need some kind of garbage collecting in revu badly. someone (most probably sistpoty or me) has to implement it
[03:24] <siretart> raphink: same here :/
[03:25] <siretart> (work, not airport)
[03:25] <danirus> Ok, thanks, I will try again in few days
[03:26] <raphink> well your package is on REVU danirus 
[03:26] <raphink> taht's for sure
[03:26] <raphink> the problem is that it doesn't register in the database
[03:26] <danirus> So I don't have to send it again, isn't?
[03:27] <raphink> no you don't have to
[03:27] <raphink> that's why I was able to review your package last time danirus
[03:27] <raphink> it IS on tiber
[03:28] <danirus> Ok, i'm taking your time, thanks for your help
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <geser> Hi bddebian
[03:49] <bddebian> Hi geser
[04:56] <Nafallo> I'
[04:56] <Nafallo> I'm as active as I can be with broken hardware :-P
[05:04] <\sh> dholbach: I rejected the bug now completly. 
[05:04] <dholbach> ok
[05:05] <\sh> dholbach: there came an Idea during a meeting now...what about including wine in our third party packages. so winehq can provide some packages for the development versions as well..
[05:05] <dholbach> what do you mean by 'our third party packages'?
[05:06] <\sh> dholbach: winehq has apt archives for their packages...when we put them into a special "third party" apt sources.list.d 
[05:06] <\sh> like the commercial package archives..
[05:07] <dholbach> they already do that - what do you think WE should do?
[05:07] <\sh> the packages would be then external, not supported by motu / ubuntu and they can triage errors for wine much better then we can do
[05:08] <dholbach> hrm
[05:08] <\sh> but the user can install wine easier when we provide the apt sources.list
[05:08] <dholbach> we can't ship sources.list that point to stuff other people do
[05:08] <dholbach> we just can't do that
[05:08] <dholbach> and I think we should try to maintain packages
[05:08] <dholbach> it works for lots of other cases quite well
[05:09] <azeem> where "we" could also be "people from winehq", if they wanted, no?
[05:09] <dholbach> azeem: what do you mean? :)
[05:10] <\sh> azeem: there is just one guy who is doing packages for ubuntu (released versions)
[05:10] <\sh> azeem: at winehq
[05:12] <\sh> I'll just write an email to wine upstream and ask them how we can improve better debugging
[05:12] <\sh> for ubuntu to help them bughunting
[05:15] <azeem> dholbach: that this guy from winehq should become a MOTU
[05:16] <\sh> azeem: we had scott already for motu...but he didn't had the time during breezy times :)
[05:16] <dholbach> azeem: yeah, that's a good idea
[05:16] <\sh> azeem: but it would be a good idea :)
[05:23] <\sh> anyone interested in taking over wine? ,-)
[05:24] <\sh> bugs about winetool...oh wow..winetool is even unsupported at winehq :(
[05:25] <\sh> Note: WineTools only recommended if installation or operability of Windows software failed on pure Wine. Since WineTools radically alters your Wine configuration please do not report bugs in programs with WineTools installed. Instead contact the author of WineTools Joachim von Thadden. 
[05:26] <\sh> rejected
[05:27] <highvoltage> \sh: wow, I didn't know that
[05:27] <ScottK> \sh: You can file that with the Automatix bugs.
[05:29] <\sh> ScottK: wtf is automatix?
[05:30] <ScottK> \sh: Sorry.  It's a similar sort of disaster for Ubuntu.  They install a bunch of stuff in non-standard ways and then are suprised when stuff doesn't work.
[05:30] <\sh> this script which pimps my ubuntu install to the maximum and reduce the work of upgrading it to the next release? means newinstall ? ,->
[05:31] <ScottK> Yeah.  Something like that.
[05:31] <Nafallo> do they still replace sources.list with one hardcoded to a.u.c? :-)
[05:31] <ScottK> Dunno.  I stay away.
[05:31] <\sh> highvoltage: well, there are many things in wine which are a secret ,-)
[05:31] <Nafallo> I read the source once...
[05:31] <Nafallo> zenity :-P
[05:32] <jdong> automatix?
[05:32] <\sh> I'll start an ubuntu-wine team
[05:32] <Nafallo> jdong: automatix!
[05:32] <jdong> but it's being replaced by a closed-source Python version ;-)
[05:32] <Nafallo> OUCH!
[05:32] <ScottK> jdong: Nevermind.  I should have never brought it up.
[05:33] <jdong> haha
[05:33] <jdong> let's all go back to happyland?
[05:33] <Nafallo> jdong: NO! motuland :-)
[05:34] <jdong> but MOTUland is happy ;-)
[05:34] <Nafallo> yea :-)
[05:34] <\sh> how do I register a team?
[05:35] <Nafallo> \sh: you should know. you regged motu-im ;-)
[05:41] <pochu> \sh: https://launchpad.net/people/+newteam :)
[05:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 95258 in xorg "Ctrl-Alt-Backspace should request confirmation before killing Xorg" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95258
[05:52] <jdong> bug 95259
[05:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 95259 in xserver-xgl "Ctrl-Alt-Backspace should request confirmation before killing Xgl" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95259
[05:52] <jdong> oh look. he was nice enough to file one for Xgl too
[05:52] <jdong> even with the wrong zap hotkey for Xgl
[06:01] <\sh> Nafallo: right ;)
[06:04] <proppy> dholbach: the link to mailing list on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnomemm seems obsolete
[06:04] <proppy> dholbach: This mailing-list is dead. Please use gtkmm-list@gnome.org instead.
[06:05] <dholbach> thanks proppy
[06:05] <dholbach> changed
[06:06] <dholbach> proppy: and thanks for joining in on the fun :)
[06:07] <proppy> dholbach: i'm always in the mood for fun :)
[06:07] <dholbach> hehe :)
[06:07] <dholbach> rock on
[06:08] <proppy> dholbach: nice trace 
[06:08] <proppy> dholbach: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7339827/gdb.txt
[06:09] <proppy> 7339827
[06:09] <proppy> bug #7339827
[06:09] <proppy> bug #105848
[06:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 105848 in nemiver "Nemiver crash on debug" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105848
[06:11] <dholbach> proppy: it was nice to talk to Dodji on #c++ on irc.gnome.org
[06:11] <dholbach> proppy: would you know how to get a trace for that?
[06:13] <dholbach> proppy: with a good crash file attached it's quite easy: apport-unpack bla.crash temp; gdb <binary> temp/CoreDump; ... (gdb) set logging on  (gdb) thread apply all bt full   and you're done :)
[06:13] <dholbach> oops
[06:14] <proppy> dholbach: sorry got disconnected
[06:15] <proppy> dholbach: what did you said ?
[06:15] <proppy> !log dholbach
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about log dholbach - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <dholbach> proppy: with a good crash file attached it's quite easy: apport-unpack bla.crash temp; gdb <binary> temp/CoreDump; ... (gdb) set logging on  (gdb) thread apply all bt full   and you're done :)
[06:15] <dholbach> I dunno why the automatic retracer didn't like the trace
[06:15] <dholbach> but it was easy enough to do it
[06:15] <dholbach> apport and friends kick ass :)
[06:18] <proppy> can you backlog me what you said before i disconnect ?
[06:18] <pochu> * proppy has quit (Remote closed the connection)
 proppy: with a good crash file attached it's quite easy: apport-unpack bla.crash temp; gdb <binary> temp/CoreDump; ... (gdb) set logging on  (gdb) thread apply all bt full   and you're done :)
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[06:18] <pochu> * proppy (n=proppy@free.mekensleep.com) has joined #ubuntu-motu
[06:18] <pochu> :)
[06:27] <proppy`> dholbach: proppy@proppy-desktop:~$ sudo apport-retrace -s 105848
[06:27] <proppy`> report file does not contain required fields: CoreDump Package ExecutablePath
[06:27] <proppy`> p
[06:27] <proppy`> 105848
[06:27] <proppy`> bug #105848
[06:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 105848 in nemiver "Nemiver crash on debug" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105848
[06:27] <dholbach> yeah
[06:28] <dholbach> I dunno why it has no 'package' entry
[06:28] <dholbach> that's why I retraced it 'manually'
[06:28] <dholbach> sudo apt-get install nemiver-dbgsym libglibmm2.4-1c2a-dbgsym libgtkmm2.4-1c2a-dbgsym; apport-unpack bla.crash temp; gdb /usr/bin/nemiver temp/CoreDump ......
[06:29] <proppy`> in feisty ?
[06:29] <dholbach> yes
[06:31] <proppy> deboostraping
[06:41] <proppy`> root@proppy-desktop:/# apt-get install nemiver-dbgsym libglibmm2.4-1c2a-dbgsym libgtkmm2.4-1c2a-dbgsym
[06:41] <proppy`> Reading package lists... Done
[06:41] <proppy`> Building dependency tree       
[06:41] <proppy`> Reading state information... Done
[06:41] <proppy`> E: Couldn't find package nemiver-dbgsym
[06:42] <crimsun> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/pool/universe/n/nemiver/
[06:43] <crimsun> (for feisty)
[06:43] <proppy`> universe i guess
[06:45] <proppy`> dholbach: are dbgsym in a separate repository from universe ?
[06:45] <dholbach> proppy: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[06:45] <proppy`> oh ok
[06:45] <proppy`> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/pool/universe/n/nemiver/
[06:47] <marseillai> hi. i'm starting to package smplayer http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=54487 and i would like to learn CDBS (i've already make a package with debhelper) and i would like to know if someone have time to help me ?
[06:53] <proppy`> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed.
[06:53] <proppy`> installation of dbus failed
[06:53] <proppy`> so gnome-vfs
[06:53] <proppy`> so nemiver
[06:53] <proppy`> i guess dbus doesn't like beeing in a chroot
[06:54] <proppy`> mounting proc help a lot :)
[06:56] <geser> is it still possible to upload fixes? I've fix for bug #104711
[06:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 104711 in bzr-gtk "[apport]  olive-gtk crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104711
[06:57] <proppy`> root@proppy-desktop:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# apt-get install libglibmm2.4-1c2a-dbgsym libgtkmm2.4-1c2a-dbgsym
[06:57] <proppy`> Reading package lists... Done
[06:57] <proppy`> Building dependency tree       
[06:57] <proppy`> Reading state information... Done
[06:57] <proppy`> E: Couldn't find package libglibmm2.4-1c2a-dbgsym
[06:58] <crimsun> geser: approved, go ahead.
[06:59] <proppy`> typo
[07:02] <geser> crimsun: thanks, uploaded.
[07:03] <wondering> When is this bug going to be fixed? I *still* see it in Feisty! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/64695
[07:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 64695 in meta-kde "KDE logout dialog is missing shutdown and restart options" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[07:03] <crimsun> wondering: it's too late for feisty.
[07:05] <wondering> crimsun: Why has that bug been around for so long in the first place?
[07:06] <crimsun> wondering: you should be asking in kubuntu-devel, not in here.
[07:06] <proppy`> dholbach: you forget to tell me about apport-chroot 
[07:06] <wondering> crimsun: Okay, thanks.
[07:09] <proppy`> dholbach: i correctly reproduced the traceback
[07:09] <proppy`> dholbach: thanks for the pointer :)
[07:09] <proppy`> dholbach: can i attach the bazaar versionned chroot to launchpad, to share with the team ?
[07:11] <proppy`> dholbach: or is it useless 
[07:19] <tsmithe> i've just emailed innotek to see whether they could open the debian package sources, so that i could get a virtualbox package into ubuntu 7.10.
[07:20] <tsmithe> (just fyi ;) )
[07:20] <crimsun> thanks.
[07:21] <shawarma> tsmithe: afaik they're already working with some Debian people on getting official packages done.
[07:21] <sacater> anyone else here willing to vouch for me in #ubuntu-meeting later :|
[07:21] <crimsun> sacater: people who have worked with you may
[07:22] <sacater> goood
[07:22] <ScottK> tsmithe: Do you use Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[07:22] <tsmithe> ubuntu...
[07:22] <ScottK> OK..  Got a sound bug for you.  brb.
[07:22] <crimsun> all yours, tsmithe!
[07:22] <crimsun> (YES!)
[07:22] <tsmithe> shawarma, that sounds good
[07:23] <tsmithe> crimsun, sure
[07:23] <tsmithe> :S
[07:23] <tsmithe> although... :P
[07:23] <ScottK> tsmithe: Bug #106588 - It's at least in part a packaging/dependency thing, but I think it's not the whole story.
[07:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 106588 in evolution "Evolution missing dependency causes hang on startup (Kubuntu Feisty)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106588
[07:23] <tsmithe> shawarma, do you know where i could contact these people
[07:23] <shawarma> tsmithe: otoh, I may be mistaken: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406992  <-- The bug seems dormant since end of January. Maybe the Debian guys just need a quick poke with Hobbsee lpsoD!!!
[07:23] <ubotu> Debian bug 406992 in wnpp "ITP: VirtualBox -- x86 virtualization solution" [Unknown,Open]  
[07:23] <tsmithe> ScottK, evo?
[07:24] <ScottK> Yep.  It hangs without esd.
[07:24] <tsmithe> ah ok
[07:24] <ScottK> Not sure which package the missing dependency is in
[07:24] <shawarma> tsmithe: Just a sec.
[07:24] <ScottK> But even if you get that installed, something else is still up.
[07:24] <crimsun> please ask for an strace -fF
[07:25] <tsmithe> i'm just going out for a couple of hours, but will take a look when i get back. i'll wait for shawarma's response
[07:25] <shawarma> If I had a nickle for every time alioth told me that it couldn't find its database.. 
[07:25] <tsmithe> crimsun, will do
[07:25] <crimsun> we can't tell if it's blocking on esound or the driver itself (possibly via arts?)
[07:25] <tsmithe> yeap
[07:25] <tsmithe> if only i had an f key :P
[07:26] <shawarma> tsmithe: You can try daniel@debian.org. He seems to be the owner of the ITP.
[07:26] <tsmithe> excellent
[07:27] <LaserJock> geser: ping
[07:40] <geser> LaserJock: pong
[08:00] <unix_infidel> how do we not have an rc in the mirrors but we have supposedly released the final release to journalists etc?
[08:02] <Nafallo> unix_infidel: what did you just say? :-)
[08:03] <ogra> there is surely nothing released yet
[08:03] <ScottK> All that's been released is a press release.
[08:03] <ogra> to any journalists...
[08:03] <unix_infidel> Nafallo: iirc there was a scheduled release to journalists and other specified parties on the release scheudle wiki.
[08:03] <ScottK> AFAIK
[08:03] <unix_infidel> right, but how is there a proper press release out there but not an rc for the community :P
[08:04] <ogra> hmm, nobody told me ... and i write the edubuntu release notes ...
[08:04] <ogra> we will have the final release as scheduled on the 19th
[08:05] <unix_infidel> :(
[08:05] <ScottK> It's not exactly hidden: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntudesktop704
[08:06] <ogra> "announce the availability of Ubuntu 7.04 Desktop Edition on April 19."
[08:06] <ogra> so whats wrong with that ? 
[08:06] <Nafallo> I don't understand either :-)
[08:08] <marseillai> hi. i'm trying to package smplayer http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=54487 with debhelper and there's no configure.in file... only a Makefile ... how can i do to find build-depends and is there some thing particular to know about this sort of packages ?
[08:13] <ScottK> marseillai: Sometimes the upstream README file will tell you what you need.  You just need to find the corresponding Debian/Ubuntu package names.
[08:15] <marseillai> ScottK: oki and the fact that there's no configure.in and else doesn't change anything for me ?
[08:26] <jussi01> hello again motu's
[08:27] <jussi01> could someone please have a look at these errors and tell me if its my fault or the devs and if/how it can be fixed?
[08:27] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16154/
[08:29] <ogra> you are missing the sndfile header
[08:29] <jussi01> ogra, ok, how do i get/fix that?
[08:30] <bddebian> jussi01: Missing a build-dep for sndfile?
[08:30] <bddebian> Or whatever package sndfile is in
[08:30] <Adri2000> you need libsndfile1-dev, see apt-file search sndfile.h
[08:30] <bddebian> lib.. doh Adri2000 beat me to it
[08:31] <jussi01> ahh, thank you very much
[08:35] <jussi01> thanks again motu's, it works :D
[08:36] <bddebian> w00t
[08:37] <ScottK> ?
[08:37] <bddebian> ScottK: I was saying w00t for jussi01 :))
[08:38] <ScottK> Ah.  Thought maybe you were ready to upload my first package for gutsy ;-)
[08:38] <bddebian> Is it open? :)
[08:38] <ScottK> No.  Just kidding
[08:38] <bddebian> Actually I'm pretty much out of commish until early/mid July :'(
[08:39] <ScottK> You OK?
[08:39] <bddebian> No, no, just massive work schedule
[08:39] <ScottK> Ahh.  OK.  That I can live with.
[08:40] <ScottK> ;_)
[08:40] <ScottK> or rather :-)
[08:57] <sacater> LaserJock: #ubuntu-meeting please mate, 1 hour to go i know, but i like being prepared
[08:58] <LaserJock> sacater: what about it?
[08:58] <sacater> membership..
[08:58] <sacater> you said you would say a good word or w
[08:58] <sacater> 2*
[08:58] <LaserJock> k, I should be there
[08:59] <Nafallo> what kind of meeting? :-)
[08:59] <Nafallo> CC?
[08:59] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:59] <Nafallo> kewl
[09:19] <tsmithe> ah where was i?
[09:19] <tsmithe> bug 106588
[09:20] <tsmithe> damn ubotu ignores me...
[09:20] <tsmithe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/106588
[09:20] <tsmithe> thank you tsmithe
[09:23] <tsmithe> hmm
[09:30] <dholbach> proppy`: doesn't make sense for the bug - it's probably resolved upstream already
[09:34] <ScottK> tsmithe: What did you find?
[09:34] <tsmithe> ScottK, not much yet :)
[09:35] <Adri2000> ahaha :)
[09:35] <lionel> for "un pote" ?
[09:35] <tsmithe> family are distracting me
[09:35] <tsmithe> oh i thought you meant the bug :P
[09:35] <ScottK> Yeah.  I meant the French.
[09:35] <tsmithe> "un pote" == a mate/pal/buddy etc
[09:36] <ScottK> Ah. It's been since longer than you've been alive that I"ve taken French, so it's a little rusty.  Thanks.
[09:36] <tsmithe> hehe :D
[09:36] <ScottK> tsmithe: About the bug, I thought you'd enjoy it.  I use Kmail and Kubuntu, so it's no matter to me either way.
[09:37] <tsmithe> hehe :)
[09:38] <tsmithe> i really should find out what that option actually changes
[09:44] <Q-FUNK> tsmithe: piulse audio offers an esd emulator, if needed
[09:44] <tsmithe> yes. i don't use esd generally, so i should be ok :)
[09:51] <lucy2007> # Appears as ANNA.
[09:53] <crimsun> tsmithe: removing libesd~ would remove libgnome~, because the latter still depends on the former's bits
[09:54] <tsmithe> yes :S
[09:54] <tsmithe> i noticed
[09:54] <tsmithe> but i can safely remove esound :)
[09:55] <crimsun> pulseaudio-esound-compat is used here
[10:23] <jussi01> hei motu's, if i get this error, which package do i need..??      "No package 'gtk+-2.0' found"
[10:25] <crimsun> you need libgtk2.0-dev
[10:26] <jussi01> thanks crimsun 
[10:26] <defendguin> anyone know where i can get the latest draft of the Feisty release notes?
[10:27] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/RC
[10:27] <crimsun> release notes or known issues?
[10:28] <defendguin> thanks ScottK 
[10:43] <crimsun> ScottK: at this rate, there's no way I can make my plane. I'm going to have to send an email to CC.
[10:43] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[10:43] <ScottK> Appreciate the effort.  Certainly not worth missing a plane over.
[10:43] <ScottK> crimsun: Have a good flight.
[10:43] <ajmitch> morning
[10:44] <ajmitch> I see they're still on trademarks
[10:44] <ScottK> Yep, but about done.  ajmitch your presence would be quite welcome when/if they get to me...
[10:45] <ajmitch> iff I'm not busy at work
[10:45] <ajmitch> which I may well be (meeting as soon as one of the other guys comes in)
[10:46] <ScottK> Understand.
[10:48] <bddebian> ScottK: Oh crap is the meeting on now?
[10:48] <ScottK> Yeah, but they haven't started member stuff yet.
[10:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes
[10:52] <Nafallo> OMG. Ubuntu says my harddrive is -1C
[10:53] <ajmitch> nice
[10:53] <ajmitch> hddtemp says my harddrives are sleeping
[10:53] <LaserJock> Nafallo: pack it with lots of ice?
[10:54] <Nafallo> hddtemp at fault probably :-)
[10:54] <Nafallo> through sensors-applet :-P
[10:54] <Nafallo> so one of them :-)
[10:59] <jussi01> hi motu's, im making a deb, but the program doesnt have a make install command. when you make it, it just creates a binary. what command do i need in debian/rules instad of make install?
[10:59] <ploum> hello
[10:59] <crimsun> ScottK: sent. Please mention the email if they don't mention having read it.
[10:59] <ploum> I submitted patch for bug #90499
[10:59] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.  Will do.
[10:59] <ubotu> Malone bug 90499 in gweled "gweled on Feisty Herd5 plays annoying sound" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90499
[10:59] <ploum> but I have to questions :
[11:00] <ploum> how to make a good patch ? (I did "diff -Naur" on the source that I apt-get sourced)
[11:00] <ploum> 2) must I contact the maintener or someone else ?
[11:01] <ajmitch> debdiff to upload, or patch for upstream?
[11:01] <ScottK> ajmitch: It's not a debdiff.
[11:02] <ScottK> imbrandon: A plus one for me would be nice to if you have time
[11:02] <ploum> ajmitch : I sended the patch by email upstream but I'm not sure the software is still maintened
[11:02] <ajmitch> ScottK: hence why I asked. I can't load launchpad or anything outside NZ in under about 5 minutes right now :)
[11:03] <ajmitch> glacial speeds..
[11:03] <ScottK> Yeah.  It's more of an upstream oriented pactch.
[11:03] <ploum> indeed
[11:03] <ajmitch> ploum: if it's not maintained upstream there's not a lot you can do
[11:04] <ploum> ok
[11:04] <ploum> so I will wait for an upstream reply and if no response, the only solution left is a fork
[11:04] <ScottK> ploum: You could make a proper package update for Ubuntu and attach a debdiff to the bug.
[11:06] <ploum> ScottK: is there any doc on how doing a proper debdiff ?
[11:07] <ScottK> Look at the Ubuntu packaging guide and make a package for Ubuntu and then once you've done that, see man debdiff.
[11:12] <ScottK> ploum: See Bug #104637
[11:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 104637 in pyparsing "setWhitespaceChars in pyparsing.py missing return" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104637
[11:12] <tsmithe> ScottK, i uninstalled esound, and killed all evo-related processes, logged out, started an xterm-only session, ran strace on the thing but it worked fine!!
[11:12] <tsmithe> which annoyed me
[11:12] <tsmithe> so, i'm not sure where the problem is coming from
[11:12] <ploum> thanks a lot ScottK ! I will look at this
[11:12] <tsmithe> is this on feisty?
[11:12] <ScottK> Yes
[11:13] <ScottK> Then I'd say get back with the reporter and see what he has to say.
[11:13] <tsmithe> ok
[11:13] <tsmithe> thought you might have some inside info :)
[11:14] <tsmithe> pah. kde :P
[11:14] <tsmithe> anyhow, when i run it now in a full gnome session, it *does* take an age
[11:14] <tsmithe> so it is reproducible
[11:20] <ScottK> ajmitch: Thanks.
[11:20] <ajmitch> np
[11:21] <tsmithe> so in an strace, what exactly would a line like 'writev(16, [{"GIOP\1\2\1\0d\0\0\0", 12}, {"\240\375\222\277\3\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\34\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\200z"..., 100}] , 2) = 112' mean?
[11:31] <tsmithe> wow this takes a long time
[11:31] <tsmithe> i'm not sure how to read to see what it's actually doing
[11:32] <tsmithe> i want to fix it properly, not just depend on pulseaudio-esound-compat | esound
[11:32] <tsmithe> but i can do that
[11:40] <geser> tsmithe: it's a call to the function writev
[11:40] <tsmithe> yes... which i guess is writing to somewhere.
[11:40] <geser> (...) are the arguments for writev (see the manpage what they mean)
[11:40] <tsmithe> oh it has a manpage
[11:40] <tsmithe> cool
[11:41] <geser> every library call should have one
[11:41] <geser> 16 is the fd (file descriptor)
[11:41] <tsmithe> uhuh
[11:41] <jdong> tsmithe: http://man.he.net/man3/writev
[11:41] <geser> and 112 is the return value
[11:42] <tsmithe> that makes sense. the previous line was: "connect(16, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/orbit-toby/linc-51ef-0-5bebfdda7dc43"}, 44) = 0", so it was connecting descriptor 16to the ORBIT file (socket?)...
[11:42] <tsmithe> and it hangs on "poll("
[11:42] <tsmithe> which means it's waiting for some kind of data, right?
[11:44] <geser> I'm currently not sure if sockfd and fd are same
[11:44] <tsmithe> hmm ok
[11:44] <geser> can can also look for the last open which returned 16
[11:45] <geser> it's important to find the last because a fd can be reused if it got closed
[11:45] <tsmithe> yes
[11:46] <tsmithe> it is a socket: there was no open(...). just a "socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0)         = 16"
[11:47] <geser> so a sockfd can be used in writev
[11:48] <geser> is writev the last statement in your strace?
[11:48] <tsmithe> no. as i said, "poll("
[11:48] <tsmithe> so it's waiting... (on the socket?)
[11:48] <geser> ah, didn't scroll up far enough
[11:48] <tsmithe> :)
[11:50] <tsmithe> should it not have some kind of timeout?
[11:50] <tsmithe> it can't poll forever
[11:51] <geser> yes, it's waiting for data
[11:51] <tsmithe> i want to know what it's waiting for, without running an strace on  a working one
[11:55] <geser> the source can probably tell you
[11:56] <ScottK> bddebian: Only because package uploads don't count.
[11:56] <tsmithe> geser, heh. yes. 
[11:59] <bddebian> Later gang
[12:00] <jmg> lima eight romeo
[12:00] <ScottK> bddebian: Thanks
[12:01] <tsmithe> jmg, oh dear :P
[12:10] <tsmithe> ScottK, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/106588/comments/6
[12:10] <tsmithe> that semi-fixes it
[12:11] <ScottK> It's a start
[12:12] <tsmithe> it is
[12:12] <tsmithe> at least it will start now