| superm1 | vg, glad that this community is making good impressions :) | 12:28 |
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| [g2] | Ok, I was going to do a fresh install and mythtv install | 12:29 |
| [g2] | what do you want me to use as a base ? | 12:29 |
| [g2] | beta2 ? | 12:29 |
| superm1 | well any release, the first step is sudo apt-get update either way :) | 12:29 |
| [g2] | or dist-upgrade ? | 12:29 |
| superm1 | and dist-upgrade too yes | 12:30 |
| [g2] | Ok, I think that's take about 30-45 minutes | 12:30 |
| superm1 | k | 12:30 |
| [g2] | hmmm well actually..... | 12:30 |
| majoridiot | which mirror are you using? | 12:30 |
| superm1 | it should really be a much more painless process this time around, so dont worry too much | 12:31 |
| [g2] | superm1, isn't worried at all :) | 12:31 |
| [g2] | actually, bbi5m | 12:31 |
| [g2] | ok that' | 12:38 |
| [g2] | ok that's better... plan b | 12:38 |
| superm1 | plan b? | 12:41 |
| [g2] | yeah I just moved another server and I'm ready to go | 12:44 |
| [g2] | it's fully upgraded and I just need to delete the old stuff and install the new | 12:44 |
| superm1 | just make sure the packages are purged not regular apt-get remove, and follow those directories to delete | 12:45 |
| superm1 | and you should be fine | 12:45 |
| [g2] | Ok I think I'm ready | 12:47 |
| [g2] | where's the guide ? | 12:47 |
| majoridiot | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/FeistyTop | 12:47 |
| [g2] | majoridiot, any special thing I should test ? | 12:48 |
| [g2] | backend only ? combined ? frontend only ? | 12:49 |
| majoridiot | have at... your discretion | 12:49 |
| majoridiot | they all work very well :) | 12:49 |
| [g2] | majoridiot, sw doesn't work very well on its own usually, kinda like diamonds in the rough they need to be polished into it :) | 12:50 |
| majoridiot | actually, these packages are pretty much idiot-proof | 12:51 |
| majoridiot | as tested by this idiot ;) | 12:51 |
| superm1 | well majoridiot and i know the secret way you can mess them up, but on one has done it yet.... | 12:51 |
| superm1 | so we wont call it a bug, but rather: an easter egg | 12:51 |
| superm1 | :) | 12:51 |
| superm1 | okay gents, i'm out. cya later | 12:52 |
| [g2] | cheers | 12:53 |
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| rushfan_ | majoridiot Ok I think I've already got the nvidia drivers installed | 01:15 |
| majoridiot | k | 01:16 |
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| rushfan_ | majoridiot there were two power surges/outages here today... The hw isn't completely happy | 01:38 |
| majoridiot | a UPS is cheap, dude | 01:39 |
| rushfan_ | It's having issues running synaptic, which I are completely unrelated to the upgrade | 01:39 |
| majoridiot | protect yer babies ;) | 01:39 |
| rushfan_ | well I have 2 ups, | 01:39 |
| rushfan_ | I just didn't have one on this box, but I had a surge protector | 01:39 |
| majoridiot | ah | 01:39 |
| rushfan_ | after the first outage it got the 1 of the UPSes :) | 01:40 |
| majoridiot | i got paranoid. everything is on a ups here. | 01:40 |
| rushfan_ | well I've got a few expensive surge/outlet boxes | 01:41 |
| majoridiot | saved me the other night... writing docs and the power blinked. would have lost a huge edit on the guides. | 01:41 |
| rushfan_ | the server actually moved in the last few days so it was on a cheaper one | 01:41 |
| rushfan_ | well having been from the days when we had a 10MB External Shugart drive before the XT Winchester drives came out, I backup early and often | 01:43 |
| rushfan_ | :) | 01:43 |
| majoridiot | my first was a 5MB western digital. sounded like a jet engine when it spun up. | 01:43 |
| rushfan_ | heh | 01:44 |
| rushfan_ | RLL that's the term I was looking for | 01:44 |
| majoridiot | hehe... of course that was also back when the entire drive for it was about 12KB | 01:44 |
| majoridiot | this one was MFM, i believe | 01:45 |
| rushfan_ | yeah MFM | 01:45 |
| majoridiot | (driver for it) | 01:45 |
| rushfan_ | it's so bizzare we've got 1GB+ flash sticks | 01:45 |
| majoridiot | yeah. i boggles my mind sometimes. | 01:46 |
| rushfan_ | won't be long it'll be 1TB :) | 01:46 |
| majoridiot | i was looking over some old source code the other night... trying to get inspired to get at it again. i was thoroughly amused at the simplicity of things back then. | 01:47 |
| rushfan_ | what just hook the BIOS ints with TSRs ? | 01:48 |
| rushfan_ | :) | 01:48 |
| majoridiot | XOPs | 01:48 |
| majoridiot | :) | 01:48 |
| majoridiot | man, those were the good old days. lol | 01:49 |
| rushfan_ | I think in '96 I spent two weeks getting X11 setup for FreeBSD 1x or 2.x | 01:49 |
| rushfan_ | it was fun, but the LiveCDs of the last several years are quite sweet :) | 01:50 |
| majoridiot | i just started with linux late last summer. | 01:50 |
| majoridiot | so i'm trying to play catch-up on pretty much everything | 01:50 |
| majoridiot | ubuntu seems like the best distro to get into | 01:51 |
| rushfan_ | for nearly everything yes | 01:51 |
| majoridiot | good community, good code, best widespread appeal, i think. | 01:51 |
| rushfan_ | I think embedded and build-from scratch are other choices | 01:51 |
| majoridiot | absolutely | 01:52 |
| majoridiot | i was speaking more in a "for the masses" aspect | 01:52 |
| rushfan_ | sure, I fully agree there | 01:52 |
| rushfan_ | that's why I said "for nearly everything" | 01:53 |
| majoridiot | yup | 01:53 |
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| rushfan_ | anyone know how to disable NCQ ? | 02:16 |
| majoridiot | hm | 02:16 |
| majoridiot | does your mobo have settings? | 02:17 |
| majoridiot | or are you looking for a driver switch/option? | 02:17 |
| majoridiot | what chipset is it? | 02:18 |
| majoridiot | i only see 3 chipsets that support it | 02:19 |
| majoridiot | echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/queue_depth | 02:20 |
| majoridiot | will disable it | 02:20 |
| rushfan_ | I've got a NV mobo | 02:20 |
| rushfan_ | I think an Nforce4 (939) processor | 02:21 |
| majoridiot | and NCQ is on? for sure? | 02:21 |
| majoridiot | dmesg | grep NCQ | 02:22 |
| rushfan_ | well I'm getting errors similar to some libata issues on 2.6.20 | 02:23 |
| majoridiot | the echo comman above will diable it for the device you select. probably needs sudo. | 02:24 |
| rushfan_ | yup depth 31/32 | 02:24 |
| majoridiot | then it's on | 02:25 |
| rushfan_ | there's no device dir under the sdaX dir | 02:26 |
| majoridiot | hm. | 02:27 |
| rushfan_ | I can see the errors on ata4.00 though | 02:28 |
| majoridiot | you don't have a device dir? it's a symlink | 02:29 |
| majoridiot | e.g. /sys/block/sdb/device ... | 02:30 |
| majoridiot | mine is there. | 02:30 |
| majoridiot | for all 3 satas on this box | 02:30 |
| majoridiot | if it's your sda drive... | 02:31 |
| majoridiot | sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth' | 02:31 |
| majoridiot | to disable it | 02:31 |
| rushfan_ | hmmm I don't have write as root on that device (it's sdb) | 02:36 |
| rushfan_ | but on that disk there is the queue_depth | 02:36 |
| majoridiot | don't have write as root? | 02:37 |
| rushfan_ | nod | 02:37 |
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| rushfan_ | I get a permission error on the echo | 02:37 |
| majoridiot | k | 02:38 |
| majoridiot | sudo -i | 02:38 |
| majoridiot | and then just do the echo | 02:38 |
| rushfan_ | I've done a "su -" and I'm at the # prompt | 02:38 |
| majoridiot | it you are root, you should be able to echo to it | 02:39 |
| majoridiot | if | 02:39 |
| rushfan_ | oh I'm totally root | 02:39 |
| rushfan_ | and I know I _should_ be able to write to tjat | 02:39 |
| rushfan_ | that | 02:39 |
| majoridiot | what err does it throw? | 02:39 |
| rushfan_ | it was a perms error | 02:39 |
| rushfan_ | I've unplugged the disk | 02:40 |
| rushfan_ | I have to keep rebooting as the system locks up like every 2 minutes | 02:40 |
| majoridiot | hm. i can't echo that either. | 02:41 |
| rushfan_ | Ok... before I did a ctrl-alt-f1 and logged in under root | 02:42 |
| rushfan_ | yeah often parameters are RO | 02:42 |
| majoridiot | yeah... i was wonering about a real console | 02:42 |
| majoridiot | info is direct from linux-ata | 02:43 |
| rushfan_ | well that's in flux a lot lately | 02:43 |
| rushfan_ | it's been hosing up my embedded ide drive | 02:43 |
| rushfan_ | majoridiot Ok, thx.. I think we isolated the issue (and the drive is unplugged) | 02:44 |
| majoridiot | vg | 02:45 |
| rushfan_ | well the issue isn't fixed, but I can got back to the install :) | 02:45 |
| majoridiot | yup | 02:46 |
| rushfan_ | it was only 300G going off-line | 02:46 |
| majoridiot | is there a bugreport filed on your issue? | 02:46 |
| rushfan_ | I had googled and saw some stuff on the kernel ml | 02:47 |
| majoridiot | ah | 02:47 |
| rushfan_ | I didn't see a bug report and haven't searched in there yet | 02:47 |
| majoridiot | i wonder if that has something to do with the feisty RC being held | 02:48 |
| rushfan_ | hmmm... Ok, I did the mythtv install, but didn't get the popup on the backend | 02:50 |
| majoridiot | server or desktop? | 02:51 |
| rushfan_ | desktop I'm guessing | 02:51 |
| majoridiot | which install did you do? | 02:51 |
| rushfan_ | desktop | 02:51 |
| majoridiot | backend/frontend or just backend? | 02:51 |
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| rushfan_ | combine | 02:51 |
| majoridiot | k. the mythtv metapackage | 02:52 |
| rushfan_ | yeah | 02:52 |
| majoridiot | which popup did you not get? | 02:52 |
| rushfan_ | configuring mythtv-backend ... | 02:52 |
| rushfan_ | majoridiot btw do you know what I think would be nice ? An autonumber on the screen shots | 02:53 |
| rushfan_ | so I could just say 3.2.5 on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_Backend_Frontend_Desktop_O | 02:53 |
| majoridiot | ok... what exactly happened? | 02:53 |
| rushfan_ | the install completed | 02:54 |
| majoridiot | did you get the popup with the mysql password? | 02:54 |
| rushfan_ | nope | 02:54 |
| majoridiot | wtf? | 02:54 |
| majoridiot | synaptic or apt-get? | 02:54 |
| rushfan_ | synaptic | 02:55 |
| rushfan_ | I'm following the instructions right ? :) | 02:55 |
| majoridiot | this is a feisty install, correct? | 02:55 |
| rushfan_ | wyah | 02:55 |
| rushfan_ | yeah | 02:55 |
| rushfan_ | Ubuntu 7.04 | 02:56 |
| rushfan_ | /etc/issue | 02:56 |
| majoridiot | so after hitting "apply"... it downloaded and installed all the packages and just stopped? | 02:56 |
| rushfan_ | think so | 02:56 |
| majoridiot | think so or know so? | 02:56 |
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| rushfan_ | well it started, then it just stopped | 02:57 |
| rushfan_ | I'm at the command line now. I was going to remove the packages and do it from the cli | 02:57 |
| majoridiot | sounds like it's on your end | 02:57 |
| rushfan_ | on my end how ? | 02:58 |
| majoridiot | k | 02:58 |
| majoridiot | do this | 02:58 |
| majoridiot | sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database | 02:59 |
| rushfan_ | Ok prompting for mythtv-database name and localhost is filled in | 02:59 |
| majoridiot | gimme a sec... | 03:00 |
| majoridiot | sorry... fod is here | 03:06 |
| majoridiot | food | 03:06 |
| majoridiot | was this a clean install? from a fresh format? | 03:07 |
| majoridiot | or did you have a previously installed version of myth installed? | 03:07 |
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| rushfan_ | it's possible | 03:07 |
| rushfan_ | I tried to clear out all the residue | 03:07 |
| rushfan_ | will try again | 03:08 |
| majoridiot | the best way... | 03:08 |
| rushfan_ | btw it does seem like sata_nv and pata are issues for the kernel and under test now | 03:09 |
| majoridiot | that i've found | 03:09 |
| majoridiot | (cool) | 03:09 |
| majoridiot | search for mythtv in synaptic and then do a remove completely for each individual component | 03:09 |
| majoridiot | and then do the same for mysql | 03:09 |
| majoridiot | (for EVERYTHING) | 03:10 |
| rushfan_ | ok done | 03:13 |
| majoridiot | try the mythtv metapackage again | 03:13 |
| rushfan_ | ok still no pop up | 03:16 |
| majoridiot | hm. | 03:16 |
| rushfan_ | it did configure the things and I've got the "details" copied | 03:16 |
| majoridiot | ok... i'm installing a fresh desktop and trying it. it'll be a few. | 03:16 |
| rushfan_ | I can pastebin it | 03:16 |
| rushfan_ | dunno if that provides any info for you | 03:16 |
| majoridiot | let me see what happens when i try an install. | 03:17 |
| majoridiot | which mirror are you using? | 03:18 |
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| [g2-lap] | http://www.pastebin.ca/443844 | 03:19 |
| rushfan_ | us | 03:19 |
| majoridiot | the main ubuntu repository? | 03:19 |
| rushfan_ | I think so us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu fiesty | 03:20 |
| majoridiot | k | 03:20 |
| rushfan_ | another interesting idea would be a audit for synaptic/apt on something like mythtv | 03:21 |
| rushfan_ | it could generate the md5/sha1's for all the given packages and possibly config files | 03:21 |
| rushfan_ | heh.... this is really funmy | 03:37 |
| rushfan_ | funny | 03:37 |
| rushfan_ | so I dl a BenC kernel which is a .26 version that's supposed to have the sata_nv fix in it | 03:39 |
| rushfan_ | I plug the drive in and boot it and it appears to be running fine without errors yet | 03:39 |
| majoridiot | thaz good | 03:39 |
| rushfan_ | _however_..... there's no ivtv drivers :) | 03:39 |
| majoridiot | beggars can't be choosers | 03:39 |
| rushfan_ | well the purpose of the box is a pvr :) | 03:40 |
| rushfan_ | no ivtv drivers no pvr | 03:40 |
| majoridiot | you can always install ivtv yourself | 03:41 |
| rushfan_ | except the kernel isn't in the repo | 03:41 |
| majoridiot | you can always go with the current kernel with ivtv and wait for the nv to catch up | 03:45 |
| rushfan_ | majoridiot sure and just not have the 300G drive plugged in | 03:46 |
| rushfan_ | I was talking to Ben in -kernel | 03:46 |
| majoridiot | plug it it later | 03:46 |
| majoridiot | and? | 03:46 |
| rushfan_ | I was letting him know that from my pov the change he had in his .26 kernel may not be in the .27 mainline | 03:47 |
| rushfan_ | being that the .27 failed, but his kernel seems to be working well | 03:47 |
| rushfan_ | I'm running bonnie++ now | 03:48 |
| majoridiot | formatted, updated and rebooting... | 03:50 |
| majoridiot | installing the mythtv metapackage | 03:51 |
| majoridiot | as written. | 03:52 |
| majoridiot | it's on your end, dude. | 03:52 |
| rushfan_ | hmmm. Ok | 03:54 |
| majoridiot | install complete and it went as it should. | 03:55 |
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| Xenocide | majoridiot, im having problems with the feisty box | 05:49 |
| Xenocide | even watching 1 show my load is 1.75 and flagging comercials is only 22fps | 05:49 |
| Xenocide | video seems laggy almost | 05:49 |
| majoridiot | video laggy is likely your ati driver | 05:49 |
| majoridiot | do a top | 05:49 |
| Xenocide | load too? | 05:50 |
| majoridiot | see what is loading you | 05:50 |
| Xenocide | h/o i will finishing colbert report | 05:50 |
| Xenocide | john kerry is on | 05:50 |
| Xenocide | back | 05:56 |
| Xenocide | what am i looking for in top | 05:56 |
| majoridiot | whatever is hoging your cpu | 05:56 |
| Xenocide | mythtvfrontend is taking 60% | 05:57 |
| Xenocide | probabbly because of video drivers | 05:57 |
| majoridiot | there's your answer | 05:57 |
| Xenocide | well new card will be here wednesday | 05:57 |
| majoridiot | :) | 05:57 |
| Xenocide | i got an open box 6200LE 128mb from egg for 28$ shipped | 05:58 |
| Xenocide | very good deal | 05:58 |
| majoridiot | cheap | 05:58 |
| Xenocide | yup | 05:58 |
| Xenocide | bleh, thursday | 05:59 |
| Xenocide | ups = slow | 05:59 |
| majoridiot | biab | 06:05 |
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| jono | anyone around? | 05:28 |
| gardengnome | um | 05:31 |
| gardengnome | i'm around, but i'm not really involved much :) | 05:31 |
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| jono | right | 05:54 |
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| majoridiot | they come, they go, they speak nary a word... | 11:38 |
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| majoridiot | hey jets | 11:41 |
| majoridiot | well feck. thaz kind poinltess. | 11:41 |
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