[12:28] <superm1> vg, glad that this community is making good impressions :)
[12:29] <[g2] > Ok, I was going to do a fresh install and mythtv install
[12:29] <[g2] > what do you want me to use as a base ?
[12:29] <[g2] > beta2 ?
[12:29] <superm1> well any release, the first step is sudo apt-get update either way :)
[12:29] <[g2] > or dist-upgrade ?
[12:30] <superm1> and dist-upgrade too yes
[12:30] <[g2] > Ok, I think that's take about 30-45 minutes
[12:30] <superm1> k
[12:30] <[g2] > hmmm well actually.....
[12:30] <majoridiot> which mirror are you using?
[12:31] <superm1> it should really be a much more painless process this time around, so dont worry too much
[12:31] <[g2] > superm1, isn't worried at all :)
[12:31] <[g2] > actually, bbi5m
[12:38] <[g2] > ok that'
[12:38] <[g2] > ok that's better... plan b
[12:41] <superm1> plan b?
[12:44] <[g2] > yeah I just moved another server and I'm ready to go
[12:44] <[g2] > it's fully upgraded and I just need to delete the old stuff and install the new
[12:45] <superm1> just make sure the packages are purged not regular apt-get remove, and follow those directories to delete
[12:45] <superm1> and you should be fine
[12:47] <[g2] > Ok I think I'm ready
[12:47] <[g2] > where's the guide ?
[12:47] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/FeistyTop
[12:48] <[g2] > majoridiot, any special thing I should test ?
[12:49] <[g2] > backend only ? combined ? frontend only ?
[12:49] <majoridiot> have at... your discretion
[12:49] <majoridiot> they all work very well :)
[12:50] <[g2] > majoridiot, sw doesn't work very well on its own usually, kinda like diamonds in the rough they need to be polished into it :)
[12:51] <majoridiot> actually, these packages are pretty much idiot-proof
[12:51] <majoridiot> as tested by this idiot ;)
[12:51] <superm1> well majoridiot and i know the secret way you can mess them up, but on one has done it yet....
[12:51] <superm1> so we wont call it a bug, but rather: an easter egg
[12:51] <superm1> :)
[12:52] <superm1> okay gents, i'm out.  cya later
[12:53] <[g2] > cheers
[01:15] <rushfan_> majoridiot Ok I think I've already got the nvidia drivers installed
[01:16] <majoridiot> k
[01:38] <rushfan_> majoridiot there were two power surges/outages here today... The hw isn't completely happy
[01:39] <majoridiot> a UPS is cheap, dude
[01:39] <rushfan_> It's having issues running synaptic, which I are completely unrelated to the upgrade
[01:39] <majoridiot> protect yer babies ;)
[01:39] <rushfan_> well I have 2 ups,
[01:39] <rushfan_> I just didn't have one on this box, but I had a surge protector
[01:39] <majoridiot> ah
[01:40] <rushfan_> after the first outage it got the 1 of the UPSes :)
[01:40] <majoridiot> i got paranoid.  everything is on a ups here.
[01:41] <rushfan_> well I've got a few expensive surge/outlet boxes
[01:41] <majoridiot> saved me the other night... writing docs and the power blinked.  would have lost a huge edit on the guides.
[01:41] <rushfan_> the server actually moved in the last few days so it was on a cheaper one
[01:43] <rushfan_> well having been from the days when we had a 10MB External Shugart drive before the XT Winchester drives came out, I backup early and often
[01:43] <rushfan_> :)
[01:43] <majoridiot> my first was a 5MB western digital.  sounded like a jet engine when it spun up.
[01:44] <rushfan_> heh
[01:44] <rushfan_> RLL that's the term I was looking for
[01:44] <majoridiot> hehe... of course that was also back when the entire drive for it was about 12KB
[01:45] <majoridiot> this one was MFM, i believe
[01:45] <rushfan_> yeah MFM
[01:45] <majoridiot> (driver for it)
[01:45] <rushfan_> it's so bizzare we've got 1GB+ flash sticks
[01:46] <majoridiot> yeah.  i boggles my mind sometimes.
[01:46] <rushfan_> won't be long it'll be 1TB :)
[01:47] <majoridiot> i was looking over some old source code the other night... trying to get inspired to get at it again.  i was thoroughly amused at the simplicity of things back then.
[01:48] <rushfan_> what just hook the BIOS ints with TSRs ?
[01:48] <rushfan_> :)
[01:48] <majoridiot> XOPs
[01:48] <majoridiot> :)
[01:49] <majoridiot> man, those were the good old days. lol
[01:49] <rushfan_> I think in '96 I spent two weeks getting X11 setup for FreeBSD 1x or 2.x
[01:50] <rushfan_> it was fun, but the LiveCDs of the last several years are quite sweet :)
[01:50] <majoridiot> i just started with linux late last summer.
[01:50] <majoridiot> so i'm trying to play catch-up on pretty much everything
[01:51] <majoridiot> ubuntu seems like the best distro to get into
[01:51] <rushfan_> for nearly everything yes
[01:51] <majoridiot> good community, good code, best widespread appeal, i think.
[01:51] <rushfan_> I think embedded and build-from scratch are other choices
[01:52] <majoridiot> absolutely
[01:52] <majoridiot> i was speaking more in a "for the masses" aspect
[01:52] <rushfan_> sure, I fully agree there
[01:53] <rushfan_> that's why I said "for nearly everything"
[01:53] <majoridiot> yup
[02:16] <rushfan_> anyone know how to disable NCQ ?
[02:16] <majoridiot> hm
[02:17] <majoridiot> does your mobo have settings?
[02:17] <majoridiot> or are you looking for a driver switch/option?
[02:18] <majoridiot> what chipset is it?
[02:19] <majoridiot> i only see 3 chipsets that support it
[02:20] <majoridiot> echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/queue_depth
[02:20] <majoridiot> will disable it
[02:20] <rushfan_> I've got a NV mobo
[02:21] <rushfan_> I think an Nforce4 (939) processor
[02:21] <majoridiot> and NCQ is on?  for sure?
[02:22] <majoridiot> dmesg | grep NCQ
[02:23] <rushfan_> well I'm getting errors similar to some libata issues on 2.6.20
[02:24] <majoridiot> the echo comman above will diable it for the device you select.  probably needs sudo.
[02:24] <rushfan_> yup  depth 31/32
[02:25] <majoridiot> then it's on
[02:26] <rushfan_> there's no device dir under the sdaX dir
[02:27] <majoridiot> hm.
[02:28] <rushfan_> I can see the errors on ata4.00 though
[02:29] <majoridiot> you don't have a device dir?  it's a symlink
[02:30] <majoridiot> e.g. /sys/block/sdb/device ...
[02:30] <majoridiot> mine is there.
[02:30] <majoridiot> for all 3 satas on this box
[02:31] <majoridiot> if it's your sda drive...
[02:31] <majoridiot> sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth'
[02:31] <majoridiot> to disable it
[02:36] <rushfan_> hmmm I don't have write as root on that device (it's sdb)
[02:36] <rushfan_> but on that disk there is the queue_depth
[02:37] <majoridiot> don't have write as root?
[02:37] <rushfan_> nod
[02:37] <rushfan_> I get a permission error on the echo
[02:38] <majoridiot> k
[02:38] <majoridiot> sudo -i
[02:38] <majoridiot> and then just do the echo
[02:38] <rushfan_> I've done a "su -" and I'm at the # prompt
[02:39] <majoridiot> it you are root, you should be able to echo to it
[02:39] <majoridiot> if
[02:39] <rushfan_> oh I'm totally root
[02:39] <rushfan_> and I know I _should_ be able to write to tjat
[02:39] <rushfan_> that
[02:39] <majoridiot> what err does it throw?
[02:39] <rushfan_> it was a perms error
[02:40] <rushfan_> I've unplugged the disk
[02:40] <rushfan_> I have to keep rebooting as the system locks up like every 2 minutes
[02:41] <majoridiot> hm. i can't echo that either.
[02:42] <rushfan_> Ok... before I did a ctrl-alt-f1 and logged in under root
[02:42] <rushfan_> yeah often parameters are RO
[02:42] <majoridiot> yeah... i was wonering about a real console
[02:43] <majoridiot> info is direct from linux-ata
[02:43] <rushfan_> well that's in flux a lot lately
[02:43] <rushfan_> it's been hosing up my embedded ide drive
[02:44] <rushfan_> majoridiot Ok, thx.. I think we isolated the issue (and the drive is unplugged)
[02:45] <majoridiot> vg
[02:45] <rushfan_> well the issue isn't fixed, but I can got back to the install :)
[02:46] <majoridiot> yup
[02:46] <rushfan_> it was only 300G going off-line
[02:46] <majoridiot> is there a bugreport filed on your issue?
[02:47] <rushfan_> I had googled and saw some stuff on the kernel ml
[02:47] <majoridiot> ah
[02:47] <rushfan_> I didn't see a bug report and haven't searched in there yet
[02:48] <majoridiot> i wonder if that has something to do with the feisty RC being held
[02:50] <rushfan_> hmmm... Ok, I did the mythtv install, but didn't get the popup on the backend
[02:51] <majoridiot> server or desktop?
[02:51] <rushfan_> desktop I'm guessing
[02:51] <majoridiot> which install did you do?
[02:51] <rushfan_> desktop
[02:51] <majoridiot> backend/frontend or just backend?
[02:51] <rushfan_> combine
[02:52] <majoridiot> k.  the mythtv metapackage
[02:52] <rushfan_> yeah
[02:52] <majoridiot> which popup did you not get?
[02:52] <rushfan_> configuring mythtv-backend ...
[02:53] <rushfan_> majoridiot btw do you know what I think would be nice ? An autonumber on the screen shots
[02:53] <rushfan_> so I could just say 3.2.5 on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_Backend_Frontend_Desktop_O
[02:53] <majoridiot> ok... what exactly happened?
[02:54] <rushfan_> the install completed
[02:54] <majoridiot> did you get the popup with the mysql password?
[02:54] <rushfan_> nope
[02:54] <majoridiot> wtf?
[02:54] <majoridiot> synaptic or apt-get?
[02:55] <rushfan_> synaptic
[02:55] <rushfan_> I'm following the instructions right ? :)
[02:55] <majoridiot> this is a feisty install, correct?
[02:55] <rushfan_> wyah
[02:55] <rushfan_> yeah
[02:56] <rushfan_> Ubuntu 7.04
[02:56] <rushfan_> /etc/issue
[02:56] <majoridiot> so after hitting "apply"... it downloaded and installed all the packages and just stopped?
[02:56] <rushfan_> think so
[02:56] <majoridiot> think so or know so?
[02:57] <rushfan_> well it started, then it just stopped
[02:57] <rushfan_> I'm at the command line now. I was going to remove the packages and do it from the cli
[02:57] <majoridiot> sounds like it's on your end
[02:58] <rushfan_> on my end how ?
[02:58] <majoridiot> k
[02:58] <majoridiot> do this
[02:59] <majoridiot> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[02:59] <rushfan_> Ok prompting for mythtv-database name and localhost is filled in
[03:00] <majoridiot> gimme a sec...
[03:06] <majoridiot> sorry... fod is here
[03:06] <majoridiot> food
[03:07] <majoridiot> was this a clean install?  from a fresh format?
[03:07] <majoridiot> or did you have a previously installed version of myth installed?
[03:07] <rushfan_> it's possible
[03:07] <rushfan_> I tried to clear out all the residue
[03:08] <rushfan_> will try again
[03:08] <majoridiot> the best way...
[03:09] <rushfan_> btw it does seem like sata_nv and pata are issues for the kernel and under test now
[03:09] <majoridiot> that i've found
[03:09] <majoridiot> (cool)
[03:09] <majoridiot> search for mythtv in synaptic and then do a remove completely for each individual component
[03:09] <majoridiot> and then do the same for mysql
[03:10] <majoridiot> (for EVERYTHING)
[03:13] <rushfan_> ok done
[03:13] <majoridiot> try the mythtv metapackage again
[03:16] <rushfan_> ok still no pop up
[03:16] <majoridiot> hm.
[03:16] <rushfan_> it did configure the things and I've got the "details" copied
[03:16] <majoridiot> ok... i'm installing a fresh desktop and trying it.  it'll be a few.
[03:16] <rushfan_> I can pastebin it
[03:16] <rushfan_> dunno if that provides any info for you
[03:17] <majoridiot> let me see what happens when i try an install.
[03:18] <majoridiot> which mirror are you using?
[03:19] <[g2-lap] > http://www.pastebin.ca/443844
[03:19] <rushfan_> us
[03:19] <majoridiot> the main ubuntu repository?
[03:20] <rushfan_> I think so us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu fiesty
[03:20] <majoridiot> k
[03:21] <rushfan_> another interesting idea would be a audit for synaptic/apt on something like mythtv
[03:21] <rushfan_> it could generate the md5/sha1's for all the given packages and possibly config files
[03:37] <rushfan_> heh.... this is really funmy
[03:37] <rushfan_> funny
[03:39] <rushfan_> so I dl a BenC kernel which is a .26 version that's supposed to have the sata_nv fix in it
[03:39] <rushfan_> I plug the drive in and boot it and it appears to be running fine without errors yet
[03:39] <majoridiot> thaz good
[03:39] <rushfan_> _however_..... there's no ivtv drivers :)
[03:39] <majoridiot> beggars can't be choosers
[03:40] <rushfan_> well the purpose of the box is a pvr :)
[03:40] <rushfan_> no ivtv drivers no pvr
[03:41] <majoridiot> you can always install ivtv yourself
[03:41] <rushfan_> except the kernel isn't in the repo
[03:45] <majoridiot> you can always go with the current kernel with ivtv and wait for the nv to catch up
[03:46] <rushfan_> majoridiot sure and just not have the 300G drive plugged in
[03:46] <rushfan_> I was talking to Ben in -kernel
[03:46] <majoridiot> plug it it later
[03:46] <majoridiot> and?
[03:47] <rushfan_> I was letting him know that from my pov the change he had in his .26 kernel may not be in the .27 mainline
[03:47] <rushfan_> being that the .27 failed, but his kernel seems to be working well
[03:48] <rushfan_> I'm running bonnie++ now
[03:50] <majoridiot> formatted, updated and rebooting...
[03:51] <majoridiot> installing the mythtv metapackage
[03:52] <majoridiot> as written.
[03:52] <majoridiot> it's on your end, dude.
[03:54] <rushfan_> hmmm.  Ok
[03:55] <majoridiot> install complete and it went as it should.
[05:49] <Xenocide> majoridiot, im having problems with the feisty box
[05:49] <Xenocide> even watching 1 show my load is 1.75 and flagging comercials is only 22fps
[05:49] <Xenocide> video seems laggy almost
[05:49] <majoridiot> video laggy is likely your ati driver
[05:49] <majoridiot> do a top
[05:50] <Xenocide> load too?
[05:50] <majoridiot> see what is loading you
[05:50] <Xenocide> h/o i will finishing colbert report
[05:50] <Xenocide> john kerry is on
[05:56] <Xenocide> back
[05:56] <Xenocide> what am i looking for in top
[05:56] <majoridiot> whatever is hoging your cpu
[05:57] <Xenocide> mythtvfrontend is taking 60%
[05:57] <Xenocide> probabbly because of video drivers
[05:57] <majoridiot> there's your answer
[05:57] <Xenocide> well new card will be here wednesday
[05:57] <majoridiot> :)
[05:58] <Xenocide> i got an open box 6200LE 128mb from egg for 28$ shipped
[05:58] <Xenocide> very good deal
[05:58] <majoridiot> cheap
[05:58] <Xenocide> yup
[05:59] <Xenocide> bleh, thursday
[05:59] <Xenocide> ups = slow
[06:05] <majoridiot> biab
[05:28] <jono> anyone around?
[05:31] <gardengnome> um
[05:31] <gardengnome> i'm around, but i'm not really involved much :)
[05:54] <jono> right
[11:38] <majoridiot> they come, they go, they speak nary a word...
[11:41] <majoridiot> hey jets
[11:41] <majoridiot> well feck.  thaz kind poinltess.