[12:31] <ciro314> Font size of Applications buttons and system are too small. How could a change it?
[12:31] <maxamillion> ciro314: Applications->Settings->Settings Manager->User Interface->Font
[12:32] <ciro314> thanks
[12:32] <maxamillion> np
[12:33] <ciro314> do you know any lighty theme for xubuntu?
[12:35] <maxamillion> not off the top of my head, no
[12:39] <ciro314> is it possible to change the width of the applications' button?
[12:40] <maxamillion> ciro314: yeah ... just right click it and click "properties" and just add spaces to each side of the word in order to "pad" it and make it larger ... or you can make it smaller if you liek
[12:40] <maxamillion> ciro314: but i don't know of an actual "width" option
[12:42] <ciro314> it is possible to set the width adding spaces "                  aplications                   "
[12:42] <ciro314> i saw
[12:42] <maxamillion> yeah, but other than that there isn't an actual "set the width" feature
[12:43] <ciro314> is it possible to set the screen resolution on login window ??
[12:44] <maxamillion> ciro314: gdm will just default to the highest available in your xorg.conf
[12:44] <ciro314> i want other resolution, not the highest
[12:45] <ciro314> i will take a look at xorg.conf
[12:45] <maxamillion> okies
[12:50] <rici> maxamillion: it defaults to the first one in xorg.conf, i believe
[12:50] <rici> i could be wrong, of course. i often am.
[12:50] <maxamillion> rici: no, you are right
[12:50] <rici> by the way, i am sure that at some point i could resize windows by grabbing the top edge of the frame.
[12:51] <rici> but right now it only works with the left, right, and bottom edges
[12:51] <maxamillion> rici: i just said "highest" because when you allow dpkg to configure X for you, it puts the higher resolutions first
[12:51] <rici> was i imagining things, or did my config get damaged.
[12:51] <rici> maxamillion: yeah
[12:51] <maxamillion> rici: no ... i don't seem to be able to resize from the top of the window myself
[12:52] <rici> on the 1440x900 wide-screen 21" monitor I have, the highest resolution is something higher, and it looks hideous
[12:52] <rici> i had to insert the 1440x900 resolution manually in xorg.conf and put it first so it would be the default. i believe.
[12:52] <rici> maxamillion: ah, i guess i was just imagining things. annoying.
[12:52] <maxamillion> :/
[12:53] <rici> when gvim switches from non-tabbed to tabbed, it makes its window higher
[12:53] <rici> since it generally starts out at exactly the right size, that means that the command line is hidden
[12:53] <rici> and it's really annoying to get it back.
[12:53] <rici> i suppose it's a bug
[12:55] <maxamillion> rici: it might be .... i don't know that much about the autosizing of windows when reacting to programs like that so i would probably be a bad judge
[01:24] <rici> maxamillion: through experimentation, i discovered that if i set guiheadroom to anything other than the default, then it resizes correctly (i.e. to the maximum available height, apparently regardless of the ghr setting.
[01:24] <rici> wierd
[01:26] <maxamillion> hmmm... strange
[01:30] <ratshell> Hey I have a question. I know my default card is /dev/ something. How do I find out what that is?
[01:31] <maxamillion> ratshell: default "card"?
[01:32] <rici> .. /dev/nineofhearts
[01:33] <ratshell> My default card is working no problem
[01:33] <maxamillion> heh ... good one, i'll have to remember that one rici
[01:33] <ratshell> but I have a program that I want to switch to use the second ccar.
[01:33] <maxamillion> .....
[01:33] <ratshell> So I need to know what the /dev/ of that card is. but I don't know how to find that out
[01:46] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : hey m8.....u in to this whole compiz/beryl thingy..?
[01:47] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: not into it at all, but i have done a substantial amount of research into each mainly in the ways of xgl/aiglx implementation ... why, what's up?
[01:49] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : thinking of trying one of them....however I'm wondering how gaming is goin along with them...last time I lokked in to it, when compiz was fairly new...you had to turn it of in order to be able tu ran games decently..
[01:50] <Naughtyboy> is that still the case..?
[01:50] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: yeah, i imagine it will always be the case because the 3d window manager weighs heavy on direct rendering through your graphics card
[01:51] <maxamillion> gotta run, getting off work
[01:52] <Pumpernickel> Gaming speed is a lot more of an issue with Xgl than with AIGLX.
[01:53] <nameherenamehere> oops
[01:53] <Pumpernickel> (Although you will see a performance drop either way.)
[01:53] <cellofellow> namehere was me
[01:54] <bordy_away> hey folks... any good reason why my screen would flicker terribly on a fresh install of xubuntu?
[01:55] <Pumpernickel> Several possibilities.  What video card does the system have?
[01:55] <bordy_away> not sure, its a terrible old IBM Thinkpad 600
[01:55] <bordy_away> "gifted" to me by my boss to see what I could get running. lol
[01:55] <bordy_away> if you can call it a gift
[01:56] <Pumpernickel> If you can get to a console, `lspci |grep -i vga` should tell you what it has.
[01:58] <Arkh> and does it flicker while booting or during the X session or both?
[01:58] <bordy_away> Flickers all the time
[01:59] <Pumpernickel> Even when it's showing the BIOS screen?
[01:59] <bordy> Oh, well no. just when fully loaded
[02:00] <Arkh> mm after grug you mean?
[02:00] <{uX}Vamp`DuneZzZ> right after login, or before?
[02:00] <Arkh> grub*
[02:00] <bordy> after login, it is an incessant kind of wavering of the screen.
[02:01] <bordy> light, but enough to be annoying
[02:01] <{uX}Vamp`DuneZzZ> o_O
[02:01] <cellofellow> is your refresh rates all messed up?
[02:02] <Arkh> bordy did you try a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[02:02] <bordy> every time I do that on my main comp I ruin it and have to reinstall. lol. Don't know what I am doing
[02:03] <Arkh> that's impossible
[02:03] <Arkh> first backup your xorg.conf
[02:03] <Arkh> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.flickering
[02:03] <Naughtyboy> Pumpernickel, : so you are saying it doesn't matter if choose beryl or compiz...I'l stil lhave problem with gaming..??
[02:04] <cellofellow> it auto backs up anyway, that util.
[02:04] <cellofellow> Naughtyboy: you'll just have more than just the game trying to access the GPU. With XGL, things will try to be rendered twice.
[02:04] <Pumpernickel> Naughtyboy: The rendering path has more of an effect than the compositing manager, but yes, you will experience at least a small drop in video performance in games.
[02:06] <Naughtyboy> Pumpernickel, : OK..mabye I missunderstod it...but I read somewhrer in the forums that it would be possiblem to get AIGLX going with nvidia and that it would go easier on the system..
[02:06] <Naughtyboy> when gaming e.t.c
[02:06] <Pumpernickel> bordy: It could just be the refresh rate.  I had an issue like that, where if the refresh rate was 60Hz, because the powersupply wasn't 'clean', it would cause wavering lines running down the monitor.  Changing it to 75Hz solved it.
[02:07] <Pumpernickel> Naughtyboy: Yeah, AIGLX works if you have the 9xxx series of nVidia drivers installed.
[02:07] <Pumpernickel> It's a better solution than Xgl, if you really want a compisited desktop.
[02:08] <Pumpernickel> s/compisited/composited/
[02:08] <Naughtyboy> Pumpernickel, : yeah I do...atm I'm usinf compositor in in xfce...but its lame....and the have disabled som options in 4.4 that I would like
[02:08] <{uX}Vamp`DuneZzZ> heh
[02:08] <Arkh> I'm using Xgl
[02:10] <Naughtyboy> Arkh, : how is that working for ya..?
[02:10] <Naughtyboy> Arkh, : are you gaming under xgl..?
[02:10] <Arkh> pretty good
[02:10] <Arkh> but I have to say that games wor better _without_ Xgl
[02:11] <Naughtyboy> ok
[02:18] <beg1689> hi all
[02:18] <beg1689> why so few xfce fans?
[02:19] <Arkh> few?
[02:19] <Arkh> :P
[02:19] <beg1689> well compared to #kubuntu
[02:19] <beg1689> quality over quantity i suppose
[02:19] <beg1689> anywho... i was wondering if i could get libpam-keyring to work in xfce, it works if i log into gnome
[02:20] <beg1689> i have the gnome services starting in xfce
[02:20] <beg1689> but nm-applet still asks for my keyring pass
[02:24] <beg1689> so...
[02:26] <Arkh> sorry beg1689..
[02:26] <beg1689> meh not a big deal
[02:26] <beg1689> just very annoying
[02:26] <Arkh> the gnome keyring has always worked pretty badly :(
[02:26] <beg1689> it works fine
[02:26] <beg1689> in gnome
[02:27] <{uX}Vamp`DuneZzZ> wot's a keyring? :o
[02:27] <cellofellow> you could add it to Autostarted Applications, y'know
[02:27] <beg1689> i just dont like having to enter my password to switch networks
[02:27] <{uX}Vamp`DuneZzZ> sounds like a groovie password "holder"
[02:27] <Arkh> it is
[02:28] <Arkh> night guys
[02:28] <beg1689> i guess ill check and see if its started
[02:35] <beg1689> are you getting any of these files?
[02:35] <beg1689> oops
[02:48] <mungewell> Hi all. Having problem with Xubuntu/Compiz. Right hand side of screen is blank (no backdrop). Top panel is only as wide as backdrop (i.e. short), but bottom panel is normal width (overlaps blank area). Is this a know issue?
[02:51] <hooray> any wine users?
[02:51] <hooray>  i can run an exe through wine file, but when i type the command it says it cant write to data folder, my command is- wine "c:\program files\Live for Speed S2\LFS.exe"
[02:53] <BFTD> yeah
[02:54] <BFTD> hooray try this "wine ~/.wine/driver_c/Program\ Files/Live\ for\ Speed\ s2/LFS.exe
[02:55] <hooray> k
[02:59] <hooray> didnt work
[03:00] <BFTD> ?
[03:00] <BFTD> ls ~/.wine/drive_c/
[03:00] <hooray> prg files win
[03:01] <hooray> there a typo, i dont understand when to \ /
[03:01] <BFTD> linux doesn't understand spaces in command line
[03:02] <BFTD> so \ tells it that there's a space there
[03:02] <hooray> should i delete all spaces then
[03:02] <BFTD> no
[03:02] <BFTD> just put \ before each space
[03:04] <hooray> same error lol driver_c
[03:04] <hooray> u didnt mean that right?
[03:09] <BFTD> hooray driver_c?
[03:09] <BFTD> ls ~/.wine/
[03:12] <hooray> BFTD: hooray try this "wine ~/.wine/driver_c/Program\ Files/Live\ for\ Speed\ s2/LFS.exe
[03:12] <BFTD> yeah
[03:13] <BFTD> ooh
[03:13] <hooray> yeah i get drive c and stuff
[03:13] <BFTD> sorrry
[03:13] <BFTD> drive_c
[03:16] <cellofellow> what are octal file permissions?
[03:17] <cellofellow>    -o umask=M             set file permissions (octal)
[03:17] <cellofellow> from fusesmb -h
[03:18] <Kaon> octal is base 8 (digits 0 through 7) as opposed to bbase 10, 0-9
[03:18] <cellofellow> well, I set umask=777 and I got files that came out 000
[03:19] <Kaon> the mask numbers are subtracted from the original permissions
[03:19] <cellofellow> huh?
[03:19] <cellofellow> so I should set 000?
[03:19] <Kaon> yes
[03:19] <cellofellow> k
[03:21] <cellofellow> blegh, I still can't delete shared files.
[03:21] <Kaon> you may need to be root for that
[03:21] <cellofellow> no, I've done this before without the hastle.
[03:22] <Kaon> hm...I'm not well-versed in NFS or Samba...
[03:22] <Kaon> maybe you need to unmount and remount the share now?
[03:23] <cellofellow> I've unmounted and remounted many times. :)
[03:24] <cellofellow> josh@lordpenguin:/media/network/GARDNER/SCAMPER/98$ ls -l pup*
[03:24] <cellofellow> -rwxrwxrwx 1 josh josh 536870912 2006-12-02 08:59 pup_save.3fs
[03:24] <cellofellow> brb
[03:26] <cellofellow> josh@lordpenguin:/media/network/GARDNER/SCAMPER/98$ rm pup_save.3fs
[03:26] <cellofellow> rm: cannot remove `pup_save.3fs': Permission denied
[03:27] <cellofellow> makes no sense
[03:29] <cellofellow> I think it's the server denying me to do that.
[03:29] <cellofellow> cause it worked fine on another machine.
[03:30] <Kaon> could be...are you able to SSH into the server?
[03:32] <Catoptromancy> ok im stuck
[03:32] <Catoptromancy> exactly what folder should i put this in?
[03:32] <Catoptromancy> libSDL-1.2.so.0
[03:32] <Catoptromancy> program says it cant find it
[03:33] <Pumpernickel> It's provided by libsdl1.2debian-all on my system, and is located in /usr/lib.
[03:34] <Pumpernickel> !info libsdl1.2debian-all
[03:34] <ubotu> libsdl1.2debian-all: Simple DirectMedia Layer (with all available options). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 205 kB, installed size 504 kB
[03:34] <Catoptromancy> i had to download it and its already in that folder
[03:34] <Catoptromancy> theres 2 files actually
[03:34] <Pumpernickel> What program is it?
[03:34] <Catoptromancy> ioquake3
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> came in same rpm
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> both in usr/lib
[03:36] <Pumpernickel> You used the rpm installer instead of the tarball?
[03:36] <Catoptromancy> error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file:no suck file or directory
[03:37] <Catoptromancy> such*
[03:37] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:37] <Catoptromancy> ya that was an rpm
[03:38] <Pumpernickel> rpms don't work at all well on .deb based distributions like Ubuntu.
[03:38] <Pumpernickel> http://www.ioquake3.org/?page=get&method=unofficial
[03:40] <Catoptromancy> well files came out
[03:40] <Catoptromancy> ill look for a .tar version
[03:40] <Pumpernickel> There's a version for Ubuntu in that link.
[03:40] <Pumpernickel> I used the .tar only because I didn't feel like actually installing it.
[03:41] <Catoptromancy> link is 404
[03:41] <Catoptromancy> ill find it somewhere
[03:41] <Pumpernickel> Works for me.
[03:41] <Catoptromancy> http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~sibrklei/ubuntu/breezy
[03:41] <Catoptromancy> im guessing thats the one?
[03:42] <Catoptromancy> Packages for Ubuntu Linux. These are intended for Ubuntu Breezy.
[03:42] <Pumpernickel> Yeah.
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> hmm i get 404
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> its a direct link?
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> to package
[03:44] <Catoptromancy> the i686 links work
[03:44] <Catoptromancy> by my PC seems to like i386
[03:54] <Catoptromancy> what was full name of package?
[03:54] <Catoptromancy> I cant seem to find anything relevant
[03:59] <Howdy125> Installed Xubuntu 7.04 a couple of hours ago .. it's a keeper .. :-)
[04:26] <boris55> april 19th comingup.
[06:31] <feliciano> hi, somebody knows how make firefoz add feeds to liferea??
[06:44] <jlist> hi all - not sure how many are still awake :)
[06:44] <BFTD> yeah
[06:45] <BFTD> I'm here for some time
[06:46] <jlist> i have a naive question - other than the window manager, what's different between xubuntu and ubuntu?
[06:49] <BFTD> xubuntu doesn't have alot of stuff on it like ubuntu does
[06:49] <BFTD> its rather slim
[06:49] <BFTD> lightweight
[06:51] <BFTD> !ff
[06:51] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[06:51] <BFTD> !firefox
[06:55] <jlist> ok. i heard about xubuntu not including stuff
[06:56] <jlist> but i didn't notice there's anything that ubuntu has and xubuntu does not
[06:56] <jlist> ok xubuntu doesn't have ff?
[06:56] <jlist> maybe i installed it myself?
[06:59] <BFTD> no it has FF
[07:03] <Pumpernickel> It has a different set of default applications.
[07:04] <BFTD> I don't know
[07:04] <BFTD> its been so long sense I've been in the gnome part of ubuntu
[07:05] <jlist> i see.
[07:06] <jlist> i use xubuntu, not because it's lighter weight than ubuntu (which i haven't really noticed ;) but because i don't quite like the system bars in ubuntu, which takes too much screen space
[07:08] <jlist> i like kde in that regard, but kde is heavy indeed
[07:09] <jlist> so here comes my other question
[07:09] <jlist> is there a way to configure xubuntu to have only one bar, just like in windows?
[07:11] <Pumpernickel> Yeah, you can delete panels and add/remove panel items as desired.
[07:11] <Pumpernickel> e.g; if you want the applications menu to be in the bottom right, you can put one there.
[07:12] <jlist> oh ok
[07:12] <jlist> i think i'd like to have task buttons and application shortcut buttons on the same bar
[07:13] <BFTD> !atris
[07:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atris - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:13] <BFTD> !tetris
[07:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tetris - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:13] <Pumpernickel> !info atris
[07:13] <BFTD> !bsdgames
[07:14] <ubotu> atris: tetris-like game with a twist for Unix. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.7.dfsg.1-3 (edgy), package size 307 kB, installed size 940 kB
[07:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bsdgames - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:14] <Pumpernickel> You can PM the bot - there's no need to run the commands in the channel.
[07:15] <BFTD> yeah but I haven't figured out how to switch to another window in irssi
[07:15] <Pumpernickel> alt + #
[07:15] <BFTD> !!
[07:15] <BFTD> ok
[07:45] <Catoptromancy> anyway to let thunar drag and drop folders into /usr/ocal/folder ?
[07:50] <Pumpernickel> Nothing particularly sane, since users don't have write access to /usr/local.
[07:50] <Catoptromancy> sudo cp, sudo mv
[07:51] <Catoptromancy> files works fine
[07:51] <Catoptromancy> but whole folders
[07:51] <Catoptromancy> i have like 40 folders I need to move
[07:51] <Catoptromancy> countless files
[07:51] <Pumpernickel> cp -R
[07:51] <Catoptromancy> cool
[07:55] <Catoptromancy> sudo cp -R folder /usr/local/newfolder  ?
[07:56] <Catoptromancy> cp: target "is not a directory"
[07:58] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> hmm.. if i open Thunar and go to Trash and right click the 'Trash' button in the 'address bar' and click "Properties", Thunar vanishes :o
[07:58] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> (in Edgy)
[07:58] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> anyone else notice that? :x
[07:59] <Catoptromancy> heh mine jsut did that
[07:59] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i can open Thunar again as normal, but it just vanishes :o
[07:59] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> does it if you click Properties on any item in the trash too o_O
[08:00] <Catoptromancy> ya
[08:00] <Catoptromancy> empty trash folder, right click properties, closes window
[08:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> weird
[08:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i'll wait for feisty and see if the problem persists before bothering with bugzilla ^^
[08:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> tho it prolly would be nice to get 'em to fix Edgy, anyway
[08:01] <Catoptromancy> thats what feity is for
[08:02] <Catoptromancy> to ix edgy
[08:02] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> lol
[08:02] <Catoptromancy> stupid laptop typos
[08:02] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i hate laptop kbs ;x
[08:02] <Catoptromancy> only got one here until I get my good PC with a net connection
[08:08] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2994
[08:08] <ubotu> XFCE bug 2994 in general "Thunar crashes when opening properties for trash" [Critical,Resolved: duplicate] 
[08:08] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> someone beat me to it :p
[08:08] <Catoptromancy> im sure it was noticed before
[08:08] <Catoptromancy> edgy been around awhile
[08:09] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> yeah, noticed three times apparently lol
[08:09] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> the duplicate was a duplicate o_O
[10:53] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i can't figure out what to remove, so can someone help me please? >< http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16092/
[10:53] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i'm only seein' edgy-updates on there twice, once for 'deb' and once for 'deb-src'... how is it a duplicate entry? ;x
[11:00] <grazie> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: there's loads of duplicates...how did you arrive at that sources.list?
[11:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> there are? :x
[11:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> help from a friend :x
[11:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> although i may have misinterpreted him... if you're on about "universe" etc showin' up on, like, ALL of those things... that may have been my fault and not his
[11:02] <grazie> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: if you don't have a bakup or can't undo your changes you can regenerate a sources.list from sourceomatic
[11:02] <grazie> !sourceomatic | {uX}l`VampyrCeil
[11:02] <ubotu> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:02] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> is that slang or the actual--oh
[11:02] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> thanks o/
[11:03] <grazie> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: yeah, you have a line entry for universe and another multiverse, etc
[11:04] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i suppose that's not a good thing :x
[11:04] <grazie> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: deb and deb-src are different
[11:04] <grazie> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: I don't follow your last comment
[11:05] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> oh are they?
[11:05] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it's been a while since i changed the file, so i can't remember exactly why it's set up like that tbh ;x
[11:06] <grazie> probably easiest to use sourceomatix (and keep a backup) :)
[11:07] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> yeah, i think i'll make a backup this time :x
[11:07] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> how do i run mousepad as 'root' or whatever? gksudo?
[11:08] <grazie> yes
[11:08] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> thanks o/
[11:10] <malnilion> Heh, if any of you guys want a good way to totally screw up an external hard drive, sudo mkreiserfs -f without mounting it.
[11:12] <malnilion> The crappy thing about it was that it acted like it had worked and I successfully moved data over to it, but it was really really messed up and when I remounted the drive, it was really fubar.
[11:13] <malnilion> So...anyone stupid enough (in my defense it's 4:00 a.m.) to -f something like this...don't do it, lol
[11:13] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> hmm
[11:13] <malnilion> Er, I meant unmounting in my first statement.
[11:13] <malnilion> Unmount your drive before formatting it.
[11:14] <malnilion> Always always unmount a drive :/
[11:17] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> You appear to be spamming the pastebin. I hate spammers so I won't let you. If you're not attempting to spam, please enable javascript so you can pass the antispam check
[11:17] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> ...
[11:21] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i'm getting the same errors as before :o http://rafb.net/p/MJIctx78.html
[11:21] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> do i have to refresh it or something?
[11:23] <grazie> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: which package manager tool are you using?
[11:24] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> uhm, i use Synaptic
[11:26] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i just loaded Synaptic with no warnings :o
[11:26] <grazie> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: then you just need to click the update button. But was the sources.list file generated by sourceomatic?
[11:27] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> hmm... just loaded Update Manager with no warnings too
[11:27] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> yeah, i didn't touch it
[11:28] <grazie> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: so you're saying update manager works but synaptic doesn't?
[11:28] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> weird, both seem to be working now
[11:29] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> is it normal to get warnings in apt-get update but not in Synaptic or Update Manager?
[11:29] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x
[11:29] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> oh
[11:29] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i just tried apt-get update again and no warnings
[11:29] <grazie> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: no, I think you mustn't have used the refresh before updating in synaptic
[11:30] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> yeah, i never even had Synaptic open until you mentioned my package manager
[11:30] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i was just workin' with terminal and mousepad :x
[11:30] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> seems to have cleared up tho, thanks o/
[11:30] <grazie> there's lots of choices...
[11:32] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Synaptic's easy enough to use, when you don't mess up sources.list :x
[11:32] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i never even looked into any other ones
[02:49] <Arkh> hi everyone
[02:49] <Arkh> !compiz
[02:49] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:56] <Slick> hey guys, I'm running xubuntu on a 500Mhz 128MB computer, I'm thinking of upgrading to 512MB of RAM, do you think that I will see much of a performance increase?
[02:56] <Arkh> yes
[02:56] <Slick> ok cool
[02:58] <Arkh> compiz howto?
[02:58] <Arkh> :p
[02:58] <grazie> !info compiz
[02:58] <ubotu> compiz: OpenGL composition manager - transitional package. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.13.38-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 64 kB
[02:58] <Arkh> shoudl I install all those ugly gnome packages?
[02:59] <kalikiana> Arkh, Use Beryl
[02:59] <Arkh> I already use beryl
[02:59] <Arkh> :p
[02:59] <Slick> aren't beryl and compiz merging?
[02:59] <Arkh> and it works pretty good
[02:59] <kalikiana> They are, but that won't happen in one day.
[02:59] <Arkh> but since compiz is going to be the main in a couple of weeks :p
[03:00] <Arkh> maybe more who knows :D
[03:00] <kalikiana> I hope they keep the end result gnome-free.
[03:00] <Arkh> yep
[03:00] <Slick> what's so wrong with gnome?
[03:00] <Arkh> it is a crap that I have to install all those gnome libs for sfce
[03:00] <Arkh> xfce*
[03:00] <drewzf> kalikiana: It's slow.\
[03:00] <kalikiana> Slick, We are on XFCE, not on Gnome
[03:01] <kalikiana> drewzf, What is slow?
[03:01] <Slick> yeah I know, I was just wondering what people had against it
[03:02] <Arkh> but kde code is better :p
[03:02] <Slick> so what is the spec of the system you guys use for xubuntu?
[03:02] <kalikiana> Slick, Gnome libraries on non-gnome are a waste of resources, that'S it. Lots of apps include them although they don't need them at all.
[03:03] <Arkh> amd64 1.8 GHz - 5122 megs - nvidia 64 megs
[03:03] <Arkh> 512* ops
[03:03] <grazie> kde is better coded...but I don't like kde apart from a few well written apps
[03:03] <kalikiana> P4 3GHz 1GB RAM ATI 9800 128MB RAM :D
[03:04] <Slick> wow, isnt a p4 a bit of ovekill?
[03:04] <Arkh> lol I run gentoo on the P4 3.2GHz 2GB RAM ATI X600 256MB RAM
[03:04] <Arkh> rofl
[03:04] <Slick> you can't be getting much of a perfomance increase over say a 1.8Ghz processor
[03:04] <Arkh> ohh ppc
[03:04] <Arkh> those things not supported by feisty <.<
[03:05] <kalikiana> I love XFCE and that has nothin to do with wether I must use it.
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> I am running xubuntu on a dual core 4600 (1mb cache each) 2gb ram 7300Gt
[03:05] <Arkh> :P
[03:05] <Slick> wow
[03:06] <Arkh> gotta go cya later guys
[03:06] <h3sp4wn> I would like some ppc hardware but I don't like apple design (an ibm power workstation or so would be great)
[03:06] <grazie> Slick: doesn't matter whether you have a powerful machine or not...xfce is good (e17 will be good too one day)
[03:07] <Slick> yeah I love xfce, but I don't understand why you would spend that much on a machine in the first place if you were going to run a quick OS like xfce
[03:08] <grazie> ihmo computers are about applications for most people
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> Just because you can waste power doesn't mean you should
[03:08] <kalikiana> Slick, Let me think.. video encoding, graphics editing, computing for folding@home....
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> (or you should at least be free to choose what to waste it on)
[03:08] <Slick> fair enough
[03:08] <Slick> I'm gonna have to try out folding@home
[03:09] <kalikiana> I admit folding@home is not a perfect example since it does weird things sometimes and takes more cpu than it should.
[03:09] <kalikiana> But I run it most of the time.
[03:11] <kalikiana> grazie, http://folding.stanford.edu/
[03:12] <grazie> kalikiana: thanks
[03:12] <Slick> the PS3 has folding@home as well
[03:13] <kalikiana> I like to give free cpu away, it fits well with giving away donations and open source.
[03:14] <Slick> how does the app tell if the cpu cycles arent being used? surely it will slow down your other aps?
[03:14] <grazie> the power of *nix is you have complete control so long as you know how to do it
[03:16] <grazie> or if don't know you have man pages, forums, irc, etc
[03:16] <Slick> cool
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> nice doesn't work completely as it should with the current scheduler though
[03:17] <Slick> whats *nix, is that unix/linux?
[03:17] <grazie> yeah
[03:18] <kalikiana> h3sp4wn, Do you know any more about this schedule problem? I hate having to close folding because of that.
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> kalikiana: I know that you won't be able to fix it without building your own kernel
[03:20] <kalikiana> h3sp4wn, So is there being worked on a solution that goes into the official kernel? A link to an explanation or a patch would be very interesting.
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> kalikiana: either staircase (CFQ) or staircase (deadline)
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> from ck will work now
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> kalikiana: or http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/4/13/180
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> (I wouldn't try that yet though)
[03:22] <kalikiana> h3sp4wn, Thank you so much, I did not know if it was a general problem. I'll check that in a while :)
[03:33] <kalikiana> Hah, C is the best language ever existed, apart from Python where it fits.
[03:39] <Slick> na java is superior to any other language, I'd run an OS in java if I could
[03:44] <grazie> java is a beautiful language....shame it still hasn't got a good native compiler...and you can write a large part of an OS in Java if you want to
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> haskell is nicer than all for me (just started looking at it)
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> brilliant how you can prove things to be correct so easily
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> You can compile it to C source also
[03:49] <kalikiana> Why write Haskell and compile to C? Stay with C in the first place. :)
[03:50] <grazie> C has many traps :)
[03:50] <kalikiana> I hate java for example because of its idiotic syntax rules.
[03:50] <kalikiana> The same reason not to like firefox xul apps internals.
[03:51] <kalikiana> It's a pain to figure out how things go when a bunch of form factors can distract you extremely far from the original problem.
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> kalikiana: writing multithreaded C is very difficult (for me) - If I could do the same stuff in C I would. (maybe one day) - better than python in every respect though
[03:59] <William> Hi, how can I enable ntfs read/write for a usb disk ?
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> !ntfs-3g
[03:59] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:00] <William> sweet... thanks.
[04:02] <kalikiana> h3sp4wn, What are you writing that needs to be multi threaded if I may ask?
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> kalikiana: nothing at this moment just playing - but I think modern hardware is wasted as there is not enough use of multithreading or sse assembler - there is alot more potential than gets used
[04:18] <kalikiana> h3sp4wn, I think it depends. I am focusing on gui/gtk programs because that is what I am using. Gtk has its own threads and I don't interfere there. When I need console apps I don't usually need threads either. So... that's my pov.
[04:19] <kalikiana> h3sp4wn, I think powerful computing, e.g. scientific, is a case for threads. I suppose I might have a different/ depper opinion on that if I would be doing something like that myself.
[04:19] <kalikiana> s/depper/deeper
[05:07] <amsmith42hs> How come Xubuntu installs OpenOffice.org 2.0 instead of 2.2?
[05:11] <grazie> amsmith42hs: I think the package is available for feisty, don't know whether it'll be backported for edgy
[05:12] <amsmith42hs> grazie: Thanks.
[05:12] <grazie> np
[05:26] <jono> hi all
[05:26] <jono> who are the core contributors to xubuntu?
[05:26] <Merchelo> seamonkeys
[05:27] <jono> which people?
[05:27] <jono> I know cody is involved
[05:29] <Merchelo> best check ubuntu-devel
[05:30] <jono> so you can't tell me?
[05:30] <jono> ok
[05:30] <jono> no worries
[05:33] <j1mc> jani monoses
[05:33] <j1mc> he is one of the core contributors
[05:33] <jono> j1mc: cool what is his nick?
[05:34] <jono> I a looking for a volunteer to do an IRC session about Xubuntu for open week next week
[05:34] <j1mc> just a sec . . . let me get it off of his launchpad page.
[05:34] <j1mc> janimo  on network irc.freenode.net
[05:35] <j1mc> jono: what kind of talk do you need? what will it be about?
[05:35] <jono> j1mc: just teaching people how to get involved in xubuntu - you want to do i?
[05:36] <j1mc> hmmm... not sure.  maybe.  others may have better availability than me.  what day/time is the session?
[05:37] <jono> ahh its ok
[05:37] <jono> cody is already doing it :)
[05:37] <j1mc> jono: cool.  cody will be a great representative for xubuntu.
[05:38] <jono> :)
[05:55] <tropicana> hi
[06:06] <concept10> h3sp4wn, ping
[06:10] <h3sp4wn> concept10: hello
[06:10] <concept10> h3sp4wn, hi.  I saw something interesting yesterday.  Have you heard of meraki?
[06:12] <concept10> h3sp4wn, its a small linux based wireless router that does mesh networks. You may be interested http://meraki.net/
[06:17] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I have seen them
[06:17] <h3sp4wn> concept10: atheros system on a chip 8/32
[06:18] <h3sp4wn> concept10: If they would show how much they want for portage to england (before registering) I would buy one or three
[06:19] <concept10> h3sp4wn, im thinking about getting me a T1 and start a ISP over here :)
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> concept10: where is here ?
[06:20] <concept10> h3sp4wn, dallas, tx
[06:56] <Precursor> hi 2 all
[07:02] <Howdy125> Get it here .. link is broken .. http://www.xubuntu.org/news/feisty_beta
[07:13] <rosenator> hey all, I was wondering if someone could help me with an install on old hardware.
[07:16] <rosenator> well, I guess most folks are idle, so I'll just ask my question and hope someone sees it...
[07:18] <rosenator> I have an old server that was running rh9 and I wanted to put xubuntu command-line system on it.  it will be a firewall, print-server, openvpn server, and dns server
[07:18] <rosenator> I cannot install xubuntu 6.10 from the alternate install disc because I am running an Initio 9100UW SCSI card for CDROM and HDD
[07:20] <rosenator> the initio.ko module is in the 2.6.17 kernel and is there in my VMWARE xubuntu 6.10 desktop box which I cobbled together in order to try to compile a driver.
[07:21] <rosenator> I can boot from the scsi cd but cdrom detection fails and I don't know exactly how to compile the initio driver for the xubuntu 6.10 alternate install kernel or how to make the 'driver floppy' which the cdrom detection piece is asking for.  I know how to drop into a shell  and mount a floppy, but of course the initio.ko from the installed system won't insmod
[07:22] <rosenator> when I looked online about how to cross compile scsi modules it seems you need the /lib/modules/kernelversion/build directory for your TARGET kernel lying around in order to easily compile a module for it.  Of course, the installation ramdisk is the only place I have a live /lib/modules/2.6.17-386 directory.
[07:23] <rosenator> what can I do?
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> rosenator: does the server install cd work ?
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> rosenator: what about dapper
[07:27] <rosenator> the install cd is what I used
[07:27] <rosenator> I used xubuntu 6.10 Alterntate install (only 96 M of ram)
[07:27] <rosenator> I didn't try dapper
[07:27] <rosenator> only fiesty
[07:27] <grazie> rosenator: 6.10 is edgy
[07:28] <rosenator> oops, sorry, new to ubuntu nomenclature, edgy
[07:28] <rosenator> tried the server install from Ubuntu first - but too little ram for the initial ramdisk
[07:29] <rosenator> actually--- the first thing I tried was 6.06 server install cd, so yes I *did* try dapper
[07:29] <rosenator> (now that I have the release name right)
[07:29] <grazie> rosenator: do you want to post your problem again...I missed it
[07:30] <rosenator> sure
[07:30] <rosenator> I am trying to install a command-line only system on old hardware
[07:31] <rosenator> the biggest problem is I have only 96MB of ram and , even worse, and Initio 9100UW scsi controller for CDROM and HDD
[07:31] <rosenator> the xubuntu 6.10 alternate install loads up fine but DOESNT include the initio.ko module I need to talk to the cdrom and hdd
[07:31] <rosenator> how can I build the *right* initio.ko for the xubuntu 6.10 alternate install kernel?
[07:32] <rosenator> I can hit alt-f2 mount a floppy and insmod the module, *once* I get it built
[07:33] <rosenator> I have a vmware xubuntu 6.10-desktop box for building the initio.ko kernel module but I am at a loss as to how to 'cross' compile the module to work on the xubuntu 6.10 alternate install kernel
[07:33] <grazie> rosenator: sorry something I've never needed to do.  so you can't even boot the cd?
[07:33] <rosenator> boots fine :)
[07:33] <rosenator> the initio 9100uw has decent bios
[07:34] <rosenator> but the 'detecting cdrom' portion of the text install cannot find a working cdrom module
[07:34] <rosenator> I know that initio.ko is the right one
[07:34] <h3sp4wn> Can you netboot it ?
[07:34] <rosenator> I've dropped into a shell and looked in /lib/modules and sure-enough, its missing
[07:34] <rosenator> hmmmm
[07:34] <rosenator> I guess that's the next step
[07:34] <rosenator> where's the easiest rtfm for that?
[07:35] <grazie> !install
[07:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[07:38] <grazie> h3sp4wn: Do you know of any good articles on determining why linux resets and/or locks up? Had problems with my x86 machine for too long now
[07:39] <rosenator> if I try to do netboot, won't I STILL need the initio.ko module loaded since my target hard drive is connected  to that too?
[07:40] <grazie> you won't need the cd...you can use the iso image
[07:41] <rosenator> but while installing, the installer won't find the hard drive to install to.
[07:41] <grazie> sorry I thought the module was giving you cdrom problems only
[07:41] <rosenator> I already tried the installation with an ide cdrom temporarily connected,
[07:41] <rosenator> the module connects the pc to both the cdrom and the hard drive
[07:41] <rosenator> its a scsi hard drive
[07:42] <rosenator> when I tried to use the ide cdrom it all went fine until partionoing
[07:42] <rosenator> then it tried to tell me I had a 1.5 MEGABYTE disk to partion.  it was talking about /dev/fd0 (!)
[07:42] <grazie> lol
[07:42] <rosenator> yah, so I really need to build a working initio.ko for the install-time kernel
[07:42] <grazie> rosenator: have got knoppix or similar working with it?
[07:43] <grazie> have you*
[07:43] <rosenator> only other distro I tried (after rh9  that is) was suse but that would never load.  the minimum ram for their installer is 256MiB
[07:44] <grazie> i'd say knoppix in cli mode was a good bet.
[07:45] <rosenator> isn't that just a livecd thing?  can I install it?
[07:46] <grazie> knoppix can be installed, but not advised. But you can install xubunto from the knoppix live cd and sort out the module problem from chroot
[07:47] <rosenator> ahhh
[07:47] <grazie> also dsl also another alternate with the hw
[07:48] <rosenator> won't I run out of my 96 m of ram trying to have a knoppix ramdisk at the same time as a xubuntu install ramdisk?
[07:48] <grazie> something I've never tried. but in cli mode I wouldn't have thought so
[07:49] <rosenator> remember, the whole root directory full of /lib and its modules gets loaded into ram during install....
[07:51] <grazie> yeah but xubuntu will install (supposed) on a 64mb machine. You'd just be using the knoppix kernel to do it
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> grazie: No clue , sorry - could be directly related to the kernel in feisty if you use it (As soon as I switched to vanilla alot of my issues went away)
[07:51] <rosenator> hmmmm, ok , I may try that
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> You can always install with debootstrap (presuming you can find a live cd you can boot from)
[07:52] <rosenator> debootstrap is on the install cd?
[07:52] <rosenator> the alternatate install cd, I mean?
[07:54] <h3sp4wn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromKnoppix
[07:54] <grazie> h3sp4wn: it's not ubuntu specific although it appears to be worse with that kernel. I haven't tried a vanilla kernel yet. Surprisingl the pclinuxos kernel seems to be the most robust on my machine that I've tried so far, although arch was good until recent kernel and/or xorg updates
[07:54] <rosenator> thx!
[07:55] <grazie> rosenator: best of luck :)
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> rosenator: remember to make sure you have the modules inside the initramfs before you reboot
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> put them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and update the initramfs
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> gunzip < initrd.img-2.6.19.1-foo | cpio -i --make-directories (check they are there with that)
[08:00] <rosenator> excellent
[08:00] <rosenator> thank you.. I was just looking at the modules list for knoppix and it does seem to have the initio.ko.  now I hope it will run on this very memory constrained mouseless box
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> I prefer grml personally but if knoppix can boot it will be ok
[08:16] <grazie> h3sp4wn: have you tried puttung a desktop over grml?
[08:16] <grazie> putting*
[08:16] <h3sp4wn> grazie: I have used a grml kernel with debian unstable
[08:16] <grazie> verdict?
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> prefer them to the debian kernels (they have 1000hz timer + PREEMPT (low latency desktop)
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> and I think zsh is the best shell
[08:17] <samwierema> exit
[08:19] <grazie> h3sp4wn: I think I'm going to give a whirl :)
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> grazie: grml has pretty much everything I need though (keep usb key with it on me all the time with it on)
[08:20] <SimpleNL> hi, i have a question about setting up wifi on my laptop
[08:21] <grazie> h3sp4wn: I just need a kernel that doesn't fall over too often. Don't have the resource (or skills) to debug what's going wrong.
[08:22] <h3sp4wn> !ask | SimpleNL
[08:22] <ubotu> SimpleNL: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:23] <SimpleNL> i have a atheros ar5005g but it doesn't show up in my networking screen
[08:23] <SimpleNL> and the links tell me to install wifi
[08:23] <h3sp4wn> SimpleNL: Is that the pre-n one ?
[08:23] <SimpleNL> Madwifi to be precise
[08:23] <grazie> !wifi
[08:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:24] <SimpleNL> what you mean the pre-n one ?
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> SimpleNL: Is it b/g - a/b/g or pre n (what wireless does it support)
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> SimpleNL: what is the atheros line of - ``lspci -nn''
[08:25] <SimpleNL> ahaa, let me check
[08:26] <SimpleNL> it's abg
[08:30] <h3sp4wn> is ath_pci loaded (lsmod | grep ath_pci)
[08:31] <h3sp4wn> anything interesting in - dmesg (any lines starting with ath or wifi put them into a pastebin and I will have a look) - also lspci -nn | grep -i atheros
[08:36] <SimpleNL> [17179598.924000]  wlan: 0.8.4.2 (0.9.2)
[08:36] <SimpleNL> [17179598.928000]  ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.2)
[08:36] <SimpleNL> [17179598.944000]  ath_pci: 0.9.4.5 (0.9.2)
[08:36] <SimpleNL> [17179599.456000]  wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13)
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> http://madwifi.org/ticket/1191 - what is the version of ath_hal ?
[08:39] <SimpleNL> where do i check ath_hal ?
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> probably a little bit above the wlan line
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> !paste
[08:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> really you should use ^^
[08:42] <SimpleNL> ahaa, ok learned something new ;)
[08:42] <SimpleNL> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16155/
[08:43] <SimpleNL> those are the ath_hal lines
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> I don't even know whether it can be fixed - (whether it is a hal issue or not)
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> http://madwifi.org/ticket/1206
[08:48] <SimpleNL> hmm, well I have an ethernet connection, but it would have been handy if it worked...
[08:48] <SimpleNL> im too much of a newb to try and resolve it
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> ...
[08:51] <SimpleNL> how do i make a launcher for terminal ?
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> SimpleNL: Ask #madwifi - if they say its fixed in there trunk or any branch I will try and build you a package - if not nothing I can do
[08:52] <Merchelo> command is just Terminal
[08:53] <SimpleNL> ah forgot the capital T...
[08:53] <SimpleNL> i will ask #madwifi
[08:53] <h3sp4wn> SimpleNL: if they ask what card - give them lspci -nn
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> (atheros line)
[08:55] <SimpleNL> ? there is only numbers when I do that
[08:59] <SimpleNL> oh wait I figured it out...
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> they probably only need the numbers - the text is so you know which line
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> http://paste.debian.net/25863
[09:02] <SimpleNL> yeah, first I did lscpi, and then found the corresponding numbers in lspci -nn
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> for me at least -nn is numbers and text
[09:04] <h3sp4wn> -n is numbers nothing is text
[09:04] <SimpleNL> hmm weird
[10:34] <sylpheedClaws> any idea on how to change the panel background in 4.4?
[11:18] <neozen> xubuntu feisty will be released on the 19th as well yes?
[11:20] <j1mc> neozen: it is scheduled to be released then, yes.
[11:20] <neozen> cool
[11:20] <neozen> thank you
[11:21] <j1mc> yw.  :)
[11:36] <JUITE> ja
[11:41] <rudefyet> any easy way to reset the desktop/panels to the XFCE defaults and no Xubuntu's?