[12:21] <pips1> feisty rocks!!
[12:22] <pips1> thin client network was autoconfigured even behind a hardware firewall with a dhcp server... niiiiiice
[12:26] <LaserJock> ok, let's see if this thing works
[01:00] <pips1> yay, usb automounting on the client works
[01:05] <pips1> yay, sound on the client works
[01:07] <pips1> nice, double clicking on an mp3 brings up an dialog to install codecs
[01:09] <pips1> hmm, when I actually try to go ahead and install codecs as a normal user without sysadmin rights, it will just abort with an error msg saying that the needed codecs are missing, instead of saying that I don't have permission to install them...
[01:12] <LaserJock> pips1: file a bug :-)
[01:12] <nixternal> oi oi edubuntueros!!
[01:12] <Burgundavia> hey nixternal, LaserJock
[01:12] <nixternal> hallo Burgundavia
[01:13] <pips1> hello nix
[01:25] <pips1> weird, when I login on the server as sysadmin user, I get an error message about gnome settings daemon not starting.. and the desktop is rather unresponsive.
[01:54] <zscally> anybody here
[01:54] <zscally> ?
[01:54] <zscally> anybody know how to boot pxe over wireless netowrk?
[01:55] <Burgundavia> need a wireless card with a pxe rom on it
[01:56] <zscally> so prob wireless card thats build in prob not going to work?
[01:56] <Burgundavia> might
[01:56] <zscally> lol sorry for being a dummy
[01:56] <zscally> but im use to rom being a game
[01:56] <zscally> lol
[01:56] <zscally> what is a rom?
[01:57] <pips1> google define:rom
[01:58] <pips1> rom = read-only memory
[01:58] <pips1> ie you need a wireless card with a pxe chip on it
[02:00] <pips1> zscally: sorry, I'm being a bit cryptic :-)
[02:56] <zscally> its all good
[02:57] <zscally> i designing a ubuntu distro that will take on the nature of ltsp
[02:57] <zscally> but insted of having the os strem accross the network having the os files localy
[02:57] <Burgundavia> zscally: umm?
[02:57] <zscally> and have just documents stream accross the network
[02:58] <Burgundavia> right, that is just nfs mounted home directories
[02:58] <zscally> kinda like a VPN
[02:58] <zscally> ya
[02:59] <zscally> so basicly you could be anyware as long as you have internet access you could get your files
[02:59] <zscally> broadband is getting alot faster
[03:00] <zscally> this would be mostly marketed to businesses
[03:00] <zscally> so instead of giving them a 1200$$ laptop they could give them a usb stick
[03:00] <zscally> and use there home computer
[03:00] <Burgundavia> hmm
[03:01] <Burgundavia> I can see businesses be worried about data security
[03:01] <zscally> basicly you would have a login prompt when the os boots
[03:01] <zscally> and you would just sign in
[03:01] <zscally> and the script would tell witch drive to mount
[03:01] <zscally> well thats why you would have a passworded usb sitck
[03:02] <zscally> only IT / people you give the password to
[03:02] <zscally> if you needed to download an update you would just have the IT unlock it for a bit
[03:02] <zscally> download the update and then lock it back up
[03:02] <zscally> its more security then a laptop
[03:02] <zscally> i think anyways
[03:02] <Burgundavia> so you have a live usb stick, with the documents stored somewhere out on the web?
[03:03] <zscally> right
[03:03] <zscally> encrypted connection
[03:04] <zscally> and then you would a jailed user when connecting to the server
[03:04] <zscally> no way of copying data unless your ment too
[03:05] <zscally> plus i could see it as your profile would be loaded aswell like where you have deaktop icons clolor sceams and shit
[03:06] <zscally> im thinking like when you login from the front screen
[03:06] <zscally> theres where the system would know how you are
[03:07] <zscally> and as far as the file over the net
[03:09] <zscally> most files you open in a business envierment are no larger then 10mb
[03:09] <zscally> doc's and images mostly
[04:26] <wraz79> can anybody help me? how do you uninstall hardware drivers then reinstall them? having problems with my dvb-s card
[07:35] <Ninja> I am having trouble installing edubuntu. i downloaded it and then change the boot sequnce but it said the disk was not bootable. I then tried the one that you can try out Edubuntu then install it but still having no luck...any help ??
[07:59] <HedgeMage> Ninja: did you do manual or automagic partitioning?
[08:00] <Ninja> I haven't partioned the drive it already has windows on it.. is that what i need to do ?
[08:01] <HedgeMage> perhaps... try booting to a livecd and running the command "fdisk /dev/hda" where "hda" is your hard disk
[08:02] <HedgeMage> then press "p" to print the info to the screen and tell me what you see
[08:04] <Ninja> Sorry let me just clarify . when you say running the command do you mean typing "fdisk /dev" into the "run" application ?
[08:05] <HedgeMage> open a terminal, and su to root (sudo su)
[08:05] <HedgeMage> then do "fdisk /dev/hda" (or sda or whatever your hard disk is)
[08:16] <Ninja> HedgeMage i am so sorry but i don't undertsand maybe i need to go somewhere else to learn but i don't know what a terminal window is in the windows context. It sounds like you are using Unix words, but a si say i am still using windows. Is there any way i can complete these tasks in windows ???
[08:16] <HedgeMage> ahh okay
[08:16] <HedgeMage> as far as I know, windows isn't smart enough for this :/
[08:17] <HedgeMage> you'd have to do it from linux
[08:17] <Burgundavia> HedgeMage: ! long time no see
[08:17] <HedgeMage> hi Burgundavia :)
[08:17] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: yeah, things are finally starting to calm down here.
[08:17] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: Hubby was finally set non-deployable... you wouldn't think it should be something we had to fight for, considering that he can't always walk.
[08:18] <Burgundavia> that is a good thing
[08:18] <HedgeMage> yep
[08:18] <Burgundavia> how is your child?
[08:18] <Burgundavia> (do you have more than one?) it has been a while
[08:18] <HedgeMage> He's good -- just started preschool
[08:18] <HedgeMage> just the one... we want to adopt another after hubby is out of the military
[08:19] <Burgundavia> well, Feisty tomorrow!
[08:19] <HedgeMage> :)
[08:20] <Ninja> So i have to install linux before i can use edbuntu ??
[08:21] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:22] <HedgeMage> Ninja: Edubuntu /is/ a type of Linux.
[08:24] <Ninja> Yeah i thought that .. but i had this computer donated to my preschool and it alreday ahd Edbuntu on it... as majority of staff were only familiar with Windows some braniac installed windows. I am now trying to go back beasue i ahve heard such good things about Edubuntu..especailly for schools
[08:25] <Ninja> I see that there are instructions on the wiki.edubuntu website on how to install Ubuntu on top of windows i thought edubuntu would be the same
[08:26] <HedgeMage> Ninja: does the machine have a good internet connection?
[08:27] <Ninja> No i don't think it does.. it is only a Pentium three but i suppose dial up...The other thing is it is only running windows 98se.
[08:27] <HedgeMage> hm, nevermind, I was just told that the suggestion I was about to make is out of date :)
[08:28] <HedgeMage> are you trying to do a dual-boot, or to replace windows with edubuntu?
[08:29] <Ninja> Replace
[08:29] <HedgeMage> ahh, that's way easier than dual-booting :D
[08:29] <HedgeMage> do you have another computer you can talk online on during the install in case you need help?
[08:30] <Ninja> Yeah i have my home computer.. but at the moment i am at work.
[08:31] <HedgeMage> IIRC you said you already tried to install and are now having problems booting... was there an error during the install or just when you tried to reboot afterwards?
[08:32] <Ninja> Well i burnt the disk as an image through toaster but when i changed the boot sequnce to read the cdrom.. it just said boot disk faild or somethingt along those lines
[08:33] <Ninja> Then i tried downloading the one where you can download and try before installing but none of the files are recognised
[08:33] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[08:33] <HedgeMage> sounds like they may be bad burns
[08:34] <Ninja> Is it a problem that i burnt them from a Mac
[08:34] <HedgeMage> it shouldn't be
[08:35] <HedgeMage> I'm assuming it's not a problem with the computer's CDROM since the windoze install worked.
[08:36] <Ninja> Yeah the CdRom is working fine... but when i go to explore the disk i can't find the application for installing or set up .. the PC can not read most of the files
[08:37] <HedgeMage> you are supposed to boot the CD, not run it from windows
[08:40] <Ninja> No i did boot it but there also a version that you can download and then try before you commit i think it's called a live CD. well when i explore that one it does not recognize
[08:41] <HedgeMage> The live CD is something you boot, too
[08:41] <HedgeMage> it just doesn't change anything on your hard drive unless you run the install script on it
[08:44] <Ninja> Ohh well i did try to boot both of those ... i ahve downloaded version 6.06 and 6.10. So are you saying that it isn't a situation where i need to have linux beacsue i should be able to boot from a computer with windows or do i need a copy of linux ?
[08:45] <HedgeMage> you should only need the CDs
[08:46] <HedgeMage> you see the cdrom light up showing that it is getting booted (or attempted to boot)
[08:46] <HedgeMage> wow, that was a horribly constructed sentence... I'm getting sleepier than I thought
[08:46] <Ninja> lol where are you
[08:47] <HedgeMage> The US, west coast
[08:47] <Ninja> Ohh what time is it there
[08:47] <HedgeMage> quarter to midnight.
[08:49] <Ninja> And you sya your child is ion preschool taht is so cool ..my fav age.. i am at University studying to be a tecaher.. and i work in a preschool. three to five is my fav age. are you SF
[08:50] <HedgeMage> Cool.
[08:51] <Ninja> Anyway back to business. the cdrom is reading i can hear it turning and the light does come one. I guess i will try and download the program again and see if that helps.  Thanks for your time
[08:51] <HedgeMage> Ninja: I have to go to sleep, but I'll be back in about nine hours when my son is at school.  In the mean time, since you are not doing LTSP, the install is very similar to a vanilla ubuntu install so the folks in #ubuntu may be able to help until someone wakes up here
[08:52] <Ninja> whats LTSP
[08:52] <HedgeMage> Linux Terminal Server Project -- it is when you run all of your programs on a server and just use the user's computer to connect to the server and display stuff to the user, handle the keyboard and mouse, etc
[08:52] <Ninja> Thanks
[08:53] <HedgeMage> np
[09:33] <cbx33> ogra, i didn't have lucked running ldm
[09:33] <cbx33> what options do I need?
[09:33] <ajmitch> hey cbx33
[09:35] <cbx33> hi ajmitch
[10:30] <pips1> morning
[11:07] <SiCk> anyone got any ideas on what browser to use for kiosk mode? i need one that i can set a custom homepage, and have no browser bar, sysbar, address bar etc.
[11:09] <ogra> epiphany offers all this but has a ton of dependencies ... you would need to install half of gnome
[11:10] <cbx33> ogra: couldn't run ldm
[11:10] <ogra> yes i just saw it....
[11:11] <cbx33> heheh
[11:11] <cbx33> what options do I need
[11:11] <cbx33> I can the ldm binary and it said I neede dto install ldm
[11:11] <cbx33> possibly becuase I didnt chroot
[11:11] <cbx33> HEY willvdl
[11:12] <willvdl> woohoo
[11:12] <cbx33> howz it going
[11:12] <pips1> hey ogra cbx33 willvdl
[11:13] <cbx33> hey pips1
[11:13] <SiCk> ogra: i have pretty much installed half of gnome haha
[11:13] <pips1> ogra: I encountered some probs testing the RC on amd64... I'm now browsing LP to see if those bugs have already been reported.
[11:14] <SiCk> ill have a wee look at epiphany, thanks mate
[11:14] <ogra> pips1, check the testreports on the reporting site
[11:14] <ogra> they should list all bugs found during testing
[11:14] <ogra> https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/
[11:15] <SiCk> another little thing... just wondering about the thin-client manager in feisty, does it only work if the thin-clients arent using their own WM?
[11:16] <pips1> ogra: I did that already (the isotesting site from stgraber is really helpful)
[11:16] <ogra> its for thin client masnagement, not for "half fat kisok setups" yet ;)
[11:16] <ogra> it only manages ltsp sessions
[11:16] <SiCk> *blush*
[11:16] <SiCk> haha, thought so..
[11:17] <SiCk> my clients are just eating too much, cant help it, they arent doing enough excersise
[11:17] <ogra> we probably might add something that acesses the client directly ... but getting this done in a safe way requires some thoughts and time to implement
[11:17] <SiCk> yeah true, well i look forward to it if it'll exist :)
[11:20] <ogra> cbx33, sudo /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/qemu-ltsp ?
[11:20] <ogra> doesnt work ?
[11:21] <cbx33> I will try tonight
[11:21] <cbx33> was short on time
[11:22] <cbx33> It may already be past the deadline for the image
[11:23] <ogra> i just did a fresh chrtoot with the default theme ... qemu is booting already ...
[11:25] <ogra> ah, crap i only have the edubuntu theme indeed ... hrm
[11:31] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm_shot_qemu_feisty.png
[11:31] <ogra> cbx33, ^^
[11:32] <pips1> ogra: I got stung by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/105709 should I set the bug to 'confirmed' ?
[11:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 105709 in ltsp "sound config not reset after thin client usage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:33] <ogra> yeah right , i could have done that myself already :)
[11:33] <cbx33> Dude you rock
[11:34] <pips1> oh, I can't seem to be able to set it to confirmed, only you can?
[11:34] <ogra> hmm, no ?
[11:34] <ogra> you should be able to
[11:34] <ogra> are you logged in ?
[11:34] <pips1> yep
[11:34] <ogra> weird
[11:34] <pips1> where? menu on the left?
[11:35] <pips1> ahh
[11:35] <ogra> got it ?
[11:35] <pips1> i need to click the little triangle next to the bug description
[11:35] <ogra> you need to click the package name
[11:35] <ogra> yeah, that works too
[11:37] <pips1> done
[11:37] <ogra> tell me when you are done, i want to set it to "in progress" as well :) the patch is already there :)
[11:37] <pips1> ah
[11:37] <pips1> cool
[11:38] <ogra> there we go :)
[11:38] <pips1> :)
[11:39] <pips1> I'm so happy that thin client network configuration works completely automagically, now even for my setup behind a hardware firewall with dhcp server running :-D
[11:40] <pips1> and also, that sound on thin client works, including sound control buttons on the client
[11:41] <ogra> yeah :)
[11:42] <ogra> gutsy will get microphone support ;)
[11:42] <pips1> \o/
[11:43] <ogra> and sound HW autodetection on the fly i hope ... so your USB headset just works if you plug it in
[11:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 105709 in ltsp "sound config not reset after thin client usage" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105709
[11:47] <ogra> you can fix it on the commandline ...
[11:47] <ogra> /usr/bin/asoundconf unset-pulseaudio
[11:47] <ogra> run that as the affected user
[11:47] <pips1> i can't even access consoles, system seems totally frozen
[11:47] <ogra> then gnome should work again
[11:47] <ogra> ouch
[11:48] <ogra> i didnt have that here this hard ...
[11:49] <pips1> did you get that gnome popup error message about gnome settings daemon ?
[11:49] <ogra> nope
[11:49] <ogra> did you manage to make it respond again ?
[11:49] <pips1> "There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon"
[11:49] <pips1> no, i rebooted
[11:49] <ogra> might be that you have half a gnome desktop still running in the bg
[11:50] <ogra> ah, k
[11:50] <pips1> when I try to login on the server directly, the desktop is very unresponsive and I get this error message
[11:50] <ogra> you fixed the pulse issue before logging in ?
[11:50] <pips1> nope
[11:50] <ogra> heh
[11:50] <ogra> you need to
[11:50] <pips1> but I'm wondering about this error message
[11:50] <SiCk> dont think epiphany is the way to go ogra... :(
[11:51] <ogra> g-s-d seems to access the system sound ...
[11:51] <ogra> SiCk, well, it has all you mentioned above ...
[11:51] <SiCk> but i cant figure it out. :( haha
[11:51] <pips1> so that error message is related to that bug, you think?
[11:51] <SiCk> a wee bit of customising maybe.. hm
[11:52] <ogra> likely, fix the pulse issue and reboot ... if its still there its unrelated
[11:52] <pips1> ok
[11:52] <ogra> SiCk, epiphany does everything via gconf settings
[11:53] <SiCk> im not familiar with gconf?
[11:54] <ogra> install gconf-editor and xterm in the chroot ... change your NFS root from ro to rw in /etc/exports and make your client Xsession start xterm .... boot the client and run gconf-editor from the xterm ....
[11:55] <ogra> make your settings ... change /etc/exports back ... done
[11:55] <ogra> oh, and indeed change the xsession back :)
[11:56] <pips1> ogra: to fix the prob, do I just need to run 'unset-pulseadio' ? or is that just a temporary fix? do I need to replace /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80_ltsp-sound as descriped in your bug report?
[11:56] <ogra> /usr/bin/asoundconf unset-pulseaudio will sufgfice for the moment ...
[11:56] <ogra> *suffice
[11:57] <ogra> if you want to jump between server and thin client you should have the fix from the bug though
[11:57] <pips1> jump between server and tc?
[11:57] <ogra> with this user, yes
[11:57] <pips1> what do you mean?
[11:58] <ogra> logging in on the client will set it to pulse again
[11:58] <pips1> run a session for a user on both server and tc..?
[11:58] <pips1> ahh
[11:58] <pips1> got you
[11:58] <ogra> if you then want to log in on the server later with this user you will have the same prob
[11:58] <pips1> understood
[11:58] <ogra> unless you change the script
[11:58] <ogra> ok :)
[12:07] <SiCk> ogra, when i go to install those, i get package dependency problems, apparently libgnome2-0 is not configured, and a few others... is there a way to force configuration? i thought apt-get did that for you?
[12:07] <SiCk> i think those were from when i installed epiphany-browser
[12:08] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg --configure -a
[12:08] <ogra> it should have configured them for you though
[12:08] <SiCk> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed, then errors all the way down ugh
[12:08] <SiCk> haha
[12:09] <pips1> I'm getting a screen refresh of GDM on the server's monitor when I'm logged in on the client and I change the default system language... oh, well it actually makes sense, because the options in GDM will change
[12:10] <ogra> hmm
[12:12] <pygi> boo :P
[12:12] <SiCk> *runs off screaming*
[12:13] <ogra> pips1, thats apparently normal
[12:13] <pips1> right
[12:13] <ogra> "<pitti> ogra: yes, langpacks have a gdm reload AFAIR"
[12:13] <ogra> (from -devel)
[12:14] <pips1> thanks for info :)
[12:14] <pips1> what does LDM stand for again?
[12:14] <pips1> L... display manager
[12:14] <pips1> ?
[12:15] <ogra> *g*
[12:15] <ogra> LTSP :)
[12:15] <pips1> ah ltsp
[12:15] <pygi> don't laugh at people :P
[12:15] <pips1> pffft
[12:15] <ogra> <-- grinned ...
[12:15] <ogra> <-- didnt laugh
[12:16] <pips1> don't worry I'm easily offended ;-)
[12:18] <pips1> language settings are stored for server and clients separately, right? so even when I login as user 'A', depending on whether I login on the server directly or on a client, I might have different language settings, right?
[12:19] <ogra> ldm will use the default language set oin the server unless you tell it differently
[12:19] <ogra> (thats what the language button is for)
[12:20] <pips1> right (what I said does apply)
[12:21] <ogra> the client is set up in the language you used to install by defauzlt btw ...
[12:26] <cbx33> when is the meeting today?
[12:27] <RichEd> hi cbx33 ... in 1.5 hours
[12:27] <RichEd> hi pips1
[12:27] <pygi> what's the meeting about this time?
[12:28] <pygi> hm, cbx33 ....
[12:28] <cbx33> ok I'll try to make it
[12:28] <pips1> hi RichEd
[12:29] <pips1> the meeting is in 30 mins, no?
[12:32] <pips1> ah no, it still 1.5 hours to go
[12:47] <jsgotangco> hmm n-m can be disabled right?
[12:49] <pygi> jsgotangco, sure
[12:50] <jsgotangco> i dont think n-m likes my wireless in feisty
[12:50] <pygi> system, prefs, sessions
[12:50] <pygi> startup
[12:50] <jsgotangco> pygi: but that's just the n-m client right
[12:52] <ogra> apt-get remove network-manager ;)
[12:52] <ogra> be radical :)
[12:53] <jsgotangco> bwahaha
[12:56] <pygi> jsgotangco, apt-get remove network-manager --purge
[12:56] <pygi> :)
[12:56] <pygi> ogra, ^_^
[12:56] <jsgotangco> hehe alright i'll be radical
[12:59] <cliebow> i dojntt think feisty likes wireless..
[12:59] <pygi> no one likes wireless
[01:00] <cliebow> it works when it bloody well feels like it in my ibook
[01:01] <willvdl> doubt it's a feisty thing. more like a wireless thing
[01:06] <pygi> willvdl_away, nod
[01:07] <cliebow> 'join
[01:08] <ogra> my wlan works fine in feisty ...
[01:08] <ogra> even with broadcom card
[01:08] <pygi> evil!
[01:26] <SiCk> ogra... any ideas about the configuration problem? it all seems to stem from dbus not being able to be configured?
[01:26] <SiCk> i cant install anything on the chroot :(
[01:26] <SiCk> ' subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[01:27] <ogra> mount proc
[01:27] <ogra> dbus likely needs that
[01:28] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
[01:28] <ogra> and after you are done:
[01:28] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 umount /proc
[01:28] <ogra> (dont forget that last step)
[01:30] <SiCk> thats it! thankyou again!
[01:33] <SiCk> sorry to bother again, see when you say ' change your NFS root from ro to rw in /etc/exports ' how's this done? just chmodding /etc/exports to read/write?
[01:37] <bimberi> SiCk: no, edit /etc/exports and change "ro" to "rw" for the appropriate entry
[01:39] <SiCk> ah, that makes sense :D
[01:39] <SiCk> thanks
[01:39] <pips1_> ogra, printing from a local printer attached to a thin client should work, no?
[01:39] <ogra> pips1, if you configured it, yes
[01:40] <RichEd> [01:40] <pips1_> well, autodetection of local printer on the thin client doesn't work (because avahi is disabled ?)
[01:40] <ogra> its not supposed to
[01:40] <pips1_> adding local printer manually seems to work (ipp://parallel:/dev/lp0), but test page won't print
[01:40] <ogra> thats wrong
[01:40] <bimberi> SiCk: yw :)
[01:40] <ogra> follow th eprinitng setup pages on wiki.ltsp.org ....
[01:41] <pips1_> ah
[01:41] <ogra> its identical in ltsp5 ...
[01:41] <ogra> we only dont support serial printers yet
[01:41] <ogra> adding PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0 to lts.conf and configuring a jetdirect printer in the gnome-cups manager dialog should work though
[01:43] <pips1_> ah, so "plugnplay" doesn't work
[01:43] <pips1_> alrighty
[01:45] <ogra> it never did
[01:45] <ogra> in neither ltsp version
[01:45] <ogra> but should be possible to implement for gutsy
[01:46] <bimberi> hi ogra, my edubuntu-bugs membership on LP will expire soon.  I'd like to renew it (if it's OK). https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+members
[01:47] <ogra> bimberi, you got another year :)
[01:48] <bimberi> ... of bugmails ;)   Thanks! :)
[01:51] <jsgotangco> meeting?
[01:51] <ogra> 10 min
[01:52] <jsgotangco> ahh k
[01:52] <ogra> ubotu is always 10min ahead to make sure the room is clean ;)
[01:53] <pips1_> does lts.conf need to be reloaded somehow or will changes take effect immediately?
[01:53] <jsgotangco> heh ive just been out of the loop for a single release and i feel like a stranger lately
[01:53] <ogra> pips1, its only read on boot of the client
[01:53] <pips1_> ic
[01:54] <pips1_> jsgotangco: how so?
[01:55] <RichEd> [01:55] <pips1_> because of ubotu? heh
[01:56] <jsgotangco> pips1_: heh no not really, 6 months is a lot of time development-wise
[01:58] <jsgotangco> so yeah im getting back a bit, just testing 64bit snapshots
[01:58] <ogra> not in debian :P
[01:58] <jsgotangco> bwhaaha
[01:58] <jsgotangco> what i mean is being actually involved and stuff
[01:58] <ogra> there its just a usual release delay :)
[01:59] <wima> has anyone seen problems with the pxe image where the bottom half of the logon screen is blue?
[01:59] <ogra> the long debian freeze really slowed down ltsp ... i didnt get half the amount of patches from them i usually get
[01:59] <wima> it doesn't happen with the etherboot images
[01:59] <ogra> not here, no
[02:00] <wima> i see it on several clients, but not always
[02:00] <ogra> try booting without splash
[02:00] <ogra> and see if it still shows up
[02:00] <wima> if I ctrl-backspace, i get a normal logon screen
[02:00] <wima> how do I boot without splash?
[02:01] <ogra> remove the word splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
[02:01] <wima> ok, thanks. will try
[02:01] <RichEd> [02:02] <willvdl> Should be meeting time around nowish?
[02:02] <SiCk> ogra, once i've modified the gconf here, all i need to do is close it and run /usr/bin/epiphany from the xsession instead?
[02:04] <wima> ogra: without splash, it works. thanks
[02:23] <pygi> morning bluekuja
[02:23] <bluekuja> morning pygi :D
[02:23] <bluekuja> how are you man?
[02:23] <pygi> no football European competition for you heh? :P
[02:23] <pygi> bluekuja, tired, eyes hurt
[02:23] <pygi> I blame serious lack of sleep
[02:24] <pygi> you?
[02:24] <bluekuja> :D
[02:24] <bluekuja> I need to study for the whole afternoon
[02:24] <bluekuja> damn
[02:24] <pygi> heh, I solve that easily
[02:24] <pygi> I cancel exams :P
[02:24] <bluekuja> :D
[02:24] <pygi> and fail the year ofcourse, but :P\
[02:24] <bluekuja> ahahh
[02:25] <bluekuja> yeah, you can only fail and year
[02:25] <bluekuja> *an
[02:25] <bluekuja> but thats not nice
[02:25] <bluekuja> need to start working, I don't want to study for all my life
[02:25] <bluekuja> :P
[02:26] <pygi> :P
[02:27] <pygi> what are you studying anyway?
[02:27] <bluekuja> italian litterature
[02:27] <bluekuja> and something more
[02:28] <pygi> ah :)
[02:28] <bluekuja> you?
[02:30] <pygi> organization and informatics
[02:30] <bluekuja> ooh cool
[02:30] <pygi> not really
[02:30] <bluekuja> lol
[02:30] <bluekuja> :P
[02:30] <pygi> there are only a few interesting topics + programming would be funny if it wasn't sad
[02:33] <pygi> bluekuja, alive? :P
[02:34] <bluekuja> yep, I'm writing some mails
[02:34] <bluekuja> just opened my pc
[02:36] <bluekuja> need to run now...I'm so late
[02:36] <bluekuja> brb later!
[03:32] <jsgotangco> goodbye!
[03:37] <SiCk> ogra, in gconf-editor, when i run it on the client, change all the settings, close it and restart it, all the settings are lost again... any ideas?
[03:37] <SiCk> or, anyone really
[04:02] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya
[04:08] <sbalneav> heya!
[04:08] <sbalneav> Brazil loves Ubuntu
[04:08] <sbalneav> and Edubuntu!
[04:09] <SiCk> =/
[04:09] <SiCk> so does northern ireland \o/
[04:12] <sbalneav> Cool!
[04:13] <RichEd> hey sbalneav ... so is edubuntu Big in Brazil ?
[04:13] <ogra> SiCk, hmm, remove /home from copy_dirs in the ltsp-client-setup defaults ?
[04:13] <ogra> indeed home must bewriteable and not in a tmpfs ...
[04:13] <sbalneav> RichEd: My straw poll says "yes".
[04:14] <sbalneav> I'd say probably 20% of *buntu users were Edubuntu.
[04:14] <ogra> danmed, i think i need a new spacebar
[04:14] <sbalneav> "                                                         "
[04:14] <sbalneav> There, use some of those.
[04:14] <RichEd> sbalneav: and any guess as to what % of linux users are *buntu ?
[04:14] <sbalneav> I got lots if you need some more.
[04:15] <sbalneav> RichEd: When Jono asked "How many people use Ubuntu", there were probably 500 or so people in the auditorium, I'd say 75% shot up their hands.
[04:15] <sbalneav> Ubuntu was everywhere
[04:15] <sbalneav> Lots of the booths were running it
[04:15] <RichEd> most excellent
[04:15] <sbalneav> Maddog uses it on his laptop.
[04:16] <sbalneav> And his speech was basically 40 minutes of "LTSP is the greatest thing since sliced bread, you should all drop what you're doing and go learn it"
[04:16] <sbalneav> And guess which distro has it built in?
[04:17] <sbalneav> think think think
[04:17] <RichEd> ermmmmm does it end in a U ?
[04:19] <ogra> sbalneav, hey you said 35% yesterday
[04:19] <sbalneav> I checked my figures
[04:19] <ogra> :)
[04:19] <sbalneav> I actually kept track, beleive it or not. :)
[04:20] <sbalneav> When I added it up this morning, it was a bit lower than I thought.  Still, good tho!
[04:20] <sbalneav> Talked to alot of people about the second CD, they were REAL happy about the lang support.
[04:20] <sbalneav> That's a huge win for them down there.
[04:21] <ogra> well, we're just discussing dropping the first CD ... but i already told you that
[04:22] <sbalneav> I think having a general "Ubuntu thin client server" cd is an awesome idea, and then focusing on the Edubuntu as an addon is an awesome idea.
[04:23] <sbalneav> It puts a CLEAR demarcation between the TECH side (LTSP, TCM, etc etc etc) and the EDU side (games, content, etc)
[04:23] <ogra> convince mdz ;)
[04:23] <ogra> he doesnt like the idea
[04:23] <SiCk> i totally agree to be honest
[04:24] <SiCk> im sure there are alot of people ( like me ) that wont really ever use the educational side of it
[04:24] <ogra> (at loeast the one of having a dedicated thin client CD)
[04:24] <sbalneav> I suspect it would be way easier to attract Educators to help out if they can JUST focus on the edu side of things, and not feel intimidated by the tech side.
[04:24] <ogra> yeah
[04:24] <sbalneav> Sure, are you discussing it in a channel somewhere now?
[04:24] <sbalneav> I'll throw my 2 cents in.
[04:24] <ogra> i would like to make the move to addon really ... independently from thet thin client CD ...
[04:24] <ogra> *that
[04:25] <sbalneav> I'm not above bribing people either.
[04:25] <ogra> no, we discussed it in the meeting today
[04:25] <sbalneav> Want me to send him an email?
[04:25] <ogra> and i personally discussed it with mdz yesterday
[04:25] <ogra> nah
[04:25] <ogra> we'll have a BOF about it
[04:25] <SiCk> haha, you'll just annoy him :P
[04:25] <ogra> i'll register a spec
[04:25] <sbalneav> ok, yeah schedule it.
[04:25] <sbalneav> I think it's an awesome idea.
[04:26] <ogra> yup, me too
[04:26] <sbalneav> Are we planning on getting Moodle into edubuntu?  And supplying some example content?
[04:26] <ogra> 1. yes, 2. no not planned yet
[04:27] <sbalneav> See, that'd be an excellent place to get some Edu people involved.  I want to see more teachers in on this.  And the ones we do have, like Trask and cliebow, get more heaviliy involved in the edu.
[04:29] <SiCk> im going to shove this thin-client through my head
[04:31] <bronze> ?
[04:31] <bronze> they're not that thin....
[04:31] <SiCk> wits end.
[04:31] <SiCk> haha
[04:32] <bronze> issue?
[04:32] <SiCk> everything
[04:32] <bronze> more specifically?
[04:34] <SiCk> gconf-editor , trying to get kiosk mode running for epiphany on a thin-client
[04:34] <SiCk> set all the settings and it doesnt save once restarted...
[04:35] <bronze> oh.
[04:35] <SiCk> so i try running it at sudo gconf-editor
[04:35] <SiCk> and get ' password: '
[04:35] <bronze> whose passwrod did you enter?
[04:35] <SiCk> of course root isnt set up on the thin-client and it wont let me change the root password
[04:35] <ogra> nah
[04:35] <SiCk> the user im logged in as has --disabled-password
[04:35] <ogra> do what i told you above
[04:35] <SiCk> so i hit just enter and get command line again
[04:36] <SiCk> ?? i must've missed it
[04:36] <ogra> there is no point using sudo
 SiCk, hmm, remove /home from copy_dirs in the ltsp-client-setup defaults ?
 indeed home must bewriteable and not in a tmpfs ...
[04:36] <SiCk> i was thinking it was maybe a permissions problem
[04:36] <bronze> ogra: it has scrolled away, can you re-iterate?
[04:36] <bronze> oh, you did :-)
[04:36] <SiCk> so i remove that and re-build the client?
[04:37] <ogra> no
[04:38] <ogra> remove it while using gconf-editor
[04:38] <ogra> add it back after you made your settings
[04:39] <ogra> look for home in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup, comment that line and reboot the client ....
[04:40] <ogra> make your gconf stuff and set it to a tmpfs dir again
[04:40] <bronze> ogra: nice.
[04:42] <SiCk> hmm
[04:42] <SiCk> copy_dirs=""
[04:42] <SiCk> :/
[04:42] <SiCk> is that maybe a problem? or will that only change if the client is booted?
[04:46] <ogra> look at the bottom
[04:46] <ogra> you have added two lines for the kiosk setup
[04:48] <SiCk> ooh thar it is :P
[04:54] <SiCk> so what'd we just do there? edit it, then reboot it and not allow it to make changes?
[04:54] <SiCk> just booting now to see if it's worked, just changed the xsession
[05:05] <SiCk> muh
[05:08] <ogra> ?
[05:08] <ogra> meeh
[05:09] <SiCk> muh - sign of dismay
[05:10] <SiCk> might go back to opera... had a wee bit more luck with it... haha
[05:14] <ogra> so your changes worked but you didnt like them ?
[05:14] <ogra> or whats the prob ?
[05:15] <SiCk> changes didnt work, it hates me :( , whereas the only problem with opera i'm having is a license dialogue box! .. well, that and the addressbar keeps showing.. but i got rid of that somehow once before... just not completely sure how yet!
[05:16] <SiCk> i've just been trying a few options that are open to me
[05:16] <ogra> thbe license diqalog will go away once you have okeyed it with a writeable homedir ...
[05:16] <ogra> same thing as the gconf thing ...
[05:17] <SiCk> i think i maybe did the homedir thing wrong last time then ?
[05:17] <SiCk> i dont think i'm completely understanding what you're telling me about the homedir... my fault... :/
[05:17] <ogra> dunno ... comment out the line, reboot the client, make your changes ... set the line back and reboot
[05:18] <SiCk> see when i do that, i get there is no writable filesystem and cannot open gconf-editor at all...
[05:18] <ogra> copy_dirs makes the thin client move the homedir into memory ... all changes you make are lost after a reboot
[05:18] <SiCk> ahh
[05:19] <ogra> removing the copy_dirs line with a readwruite exported nfs mount will make it possible to write changes to it
[05:19] <SiCk> that's when you change the /etc/exports on the server to rw instead of ro yes?
[05:19] <SiCk> so i change that, comment out the line and i should be able to boot gconf-editor?
[05:19] <SiCk> make changes then drop all that back the way it was
[05:20] <SiCk> i'm the meaning of layman. haha
[05:23] <RichEd> ogra: ping
[05:23] <ogra> pong
[05:23] <RichEd> can you send the text points for the announcement before you go to bed tonight ?
[05:23] <RichEd> I'll send back to you for review when you wake up
[05:23] <ogra> yup
[05:24] <RichEd> and then send to willvdl by 10:00 UTC at the latest so we can get the web & wiki pages done
[05:24] <RichEd> thank you velly much
[05:25] <sbalneav> When't Zero Hour?
[05:25] <sbalneav> When's?
[05:26] <RichEd> sbalneav:
 RichEd: after I press the button is probably a good time. :-)
 Mithrandir: when do you think that will be ? just to get myself ready ...
 RichEd: some time during the day; we're roughly in the same TZ.
[05:26] <RichEd> sbalneav: so there is a zero day, but not yeat a zero hour
[05:27] <RichEd> *yet
[05:27] <willvdl> shweet
[05:28] <SiCk> ogra i'm being inundated with ' read-only filesystem '
[05:28] <willvdl> maybe it wants you to read it?
[05:28] <SiCk> haha
[05:28] <willvdl> sorry
[05:28] <SiCk> :P
[05:28] <SiCk> i need a bit of humor
[05:28] <SiCk> haha
[05:29] <RichEd> SiCk: did you hear the one about the baby seal that walked into a club ?
[05:29] <ogra> but you made the nfs changes we talked about some hours ago ?
[05:31] <willvdl> At Stellies we had the Seal Cub Club Club...dedicated to bad seal jokes
[05:32] <SiCk> nfs changes being the one in /etc/exports ?
[05:32] <SiCk> RichEd: i dont think so :P
[05:32] <ogra> yes and indeed a restart of nfs to make them take effect
[05:34] <SiCk> nfs-common yes?
[05:34] <SiCk> ( still learning )
[05:39] <ogra> nope
[05:39] <ogra> -kernel-server
[05:40] <SiCk> well, done that one too.. haha
[05:40] <SiCk> had a wee check through /etc/init.d/
[05:43] <SiCk> argh, well its still not working
[05:43] <SiCk> ill have a go at it tomorrow
[05:44] <SiCk> home time now!
[05:44] <SiCk> seeyas all later
[05:44] <SiCk> thanks for all the help
[07:03] <jitj> I'm going to be doing a presentation on FLOSS and edubuntu on Friday. Would there be any problem with me getting all of the participants logging in to this IRC as a part of the presentation?
[07:05] <LaserJock> how many people?
[07:05] <jitj> Should be around 20
[07:06] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think that would be a problem as long as you can keep the class from being too noisy :-)
[07:07] <jitj> I'm not sure that most have used IRC and I'd like them to know about the community that surrounds open source software.
[07:07] <jitj> Of course, I'm highlighting mailing lists, wiki's, forums, etc...
[07:07] <LaserJock> yeah sure
[07:07] <LaserJock> what time?
[07:08] <jitj> The session is 8:30-10A EST...I would guess we'll be doing the IRC thing around 8:45-9A.
[07:08] <LaserJock> yeah, I'd think there would be people around
[07:09] <jitj> I plan to distribute the Edubuntu 6.10 live cd with the participants and use gaim for IRC (I guess it is now pidgin).
[07:09] <LaserJock> too early for me
[07:09] <LaserJock> excellent
[07:09] <jitj> Even if there isn't anyone here, we could talk quietly among ourselves :^)
[07:10] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:11] <jitj> I'll make sure to tell everyone that Laserjock said it was okay :^)
[07:11] <jitj> Now back to finishing up the presentation.  The outline is here:
[07:11] <jitj> http://connectingandcollaborating.pbwiki.com/FLOSS%20Your%20World
[07:14] <LaserJock> that's pretty extensive
[07:16] <jitj> It is going to be a hands-on session for the participants...I haven't had a chance to try the Live CD on the computers yet.  I'm crossing my fingers that it will work -- these are computers being brought in from another district.
[07:19] <LaserJock> will you get a chance before the presentation?
[07:19] <LaserJock> what is the target audience?
[07:19] <jitj> I should be able to try it tomorrow afternoon
[07:20] <jitj> I'm actually presenting the edubuntu cd to our area schoo district technology directors in a lab tomorrow afternoon (I know it works on those machines...been tested already)
[07:21] <jitj> I'm presenting the longer session Friday to teachers and other staff who have an interest in the Web 2.0 type technologies...don't know for sure who will be at my session
[07:21] <jitj> http://connectingandcollaborating.pbwiki.com - here's the conference link
[07:22] <jitj> If you think about it, Open Source has been web 2.0 before web 2.0 even existed
[07:22] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:23] <jitj> I'm open for suggestions if anyone has something they think I should tell this group
[07:24] <cliebow_> jitj:nx is pretty spiffy to show off 8~)
[07:24] <LaserJock> jitj: "Edubuntu ROCKS!" ? ;-)
[07:24] <cliebow_> Edubuntu ROCKS!!
[07:25] <cliebow_> almost all the time 8~)
[07:25] <jitj> What makes nx cool?
[07:25] <SimonAnibal> what is nx?
[07:25] <cliebow_> ohhh..getting a desktop from half way across the worlsd
[07:26] <jitj> Do you have a desktop halfway around the world I can connect to?
[07:26] <cliebow_> in Maine?
[07:26] <cliebow_> far enough away?
[07:26] <jitj> Hmmm...Michigan to Maine....not bad
[07:26] <cliebow_> i think nomachines is in Italy
[07:27] <cliebow_> i can set up a login for you ans send you the client.id_dsa.key
[07:27] <SimonAnibal> that's a little harsh, I'm sure there are a few ;-)
[07:29] <jitj> Don't worry about setting it up at this point. Thanks for the offer, though.  I appreciate it.
[07:29] <cliebow_> sure
[07:29] <jitj> It is a good point that these remote connections might be valuable for schools to allow students and staff to do work remotely.
[07:30] <cliebow_> i do it all the time in my satellite schools..six of them
[07:30] <jitj> How does the maine laptop program impact your schools?
[07:31] <cliebow_> it hurts my ltsp..cause everyone is wandering around with a wireless laptop
[07:31] <jitj> I kind of figured that might happen...
[07:32] <cliebow_> we biught out like 200 extra plus our own at 40 bucks a pop..plus we have the mlti2 laptops
[07:32] <cliebow_> they make dandy ltsp clients btw
[07:33] <jitj> what are the mlti2 laptops?
[07:33] <cliebow_> second round maine laptop initiative
[07:34] <cliebow_> g4 with 512 memory
[07:34] <jitj> Ahhh....
[07:34] <jitj> Are the mac laptops the right technology for a 1-to-1?
[07:35] <cliebow_> i guess.. i used to hate the little bas..things
[07:35] <cliebow_> but the first round was 128 meg and they were a pain in the tail
[07:36] <cliebow_> i hate the proprietary nature..but they have been ok software wise
[07:36] <jitj> We're just finishing moving our district desktops from Macs to PC's because they were challenging to support
[07:36] <cliebow_> job security here 8~)
[07:36] <jitj> I'd have a hard time putting macs back in place...linux would be much more enjoyable
[07:36] <cliebow_> if they so much as wink we reimage
[07:36] <jitj> reimaging is our friend for desktops, too
[07:36] <cliebow_> using rapid image deploynment
[07:37] <cliebow_> with windows you could reboot..with macs just reimage..and with linux..the beat goes on 8~
[07:37] <cliebow_> )
[07:37] <jitj> :^)
[08:37] <cliebow_> anyone work enough with sql to know what privs to grant to debian-sys-maint when migrating a databse from a redhat?
[09:48] <pips1_> ogra: is the following link the only place to get edubuntu DVDs? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[09:52] <LaserJock> I think there might be some mirrors
[09:56] <ogra> it will be here after relese http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/7.04/
[09:56] <ogra> *release
[09:56] <ogra> or here .... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/
[09:58] <pips1_> ogra: also, I'm now editing the explanatory text on the download page... I need to make some adjustments because of the new situation with the addon cd
[09:58] <ogra> ok
[09:58] <pips1_> first, I need to be clear on the situation though
[09:59] <pips1_> so, for the "classroom server solution", you will need to get the "alternate" cd, plus, (optionally) the server-addon cd, right?
[09:59] <ogra> yep
[09:59] <pips1_> is it still called "alternate"?
[09:59] <ogra> nope
[10:00] <ogra> server and serveraddon
[10:00] <pips1_> oki, gotcha
[10:00] <pips1_> what does the edubunte "live" cd contain?
[10:00] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[10:01] <ogra> a live session with edubuntu desktop and a selection of applications you find on the addon CD
[10:02] <pips1_> do you have a similar link for the edubuntu live cd, I could use as reference text?
[10:02] <pips1_> ^^^ as the link to the server isos you just pasted above
[10:02] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/current/
[10:02] <pips1_> ta, great!
[10:03] <pips1_> ah, it's now called "desktop" cd, makes sense
[10:04] <pips1_> so, from the desktop cd, you can install a workstation, right?
[10:05] <pips1_> ogra  ^^^
[10:05] <pips1_> will that already include all the edu apps?
[10:05] <pips1_> and what about the language files?
[10:07] <pips1_> one only gets the more "unusual" languages for the desktop cd / workstation install from the online repos, i take it?
[10:08] <ogra> it wont include the edu apps
[10:08] <ogra> (the installde version)
[10:08] <ogra> *installed
[10:09] <ogra> you still have to use the addon CD for them ... they are only in the live session
[10:10] <ogra> langpacks: es xh pt de fr ca cs el are on the server CD ....
[10:10] <ogra> es xh pt de fr are on the live CD
[10:11] <ogra> *all other* langpacks we have in ubuntu are on the addon CD
[10:11] <ogra> oh, indeed include en for both above
[10:13] <pips1_> thanks, now I'm pretty clear about the situation I think
[10:14] <pips1_> however, can you please explain the language abbreviations above?  es xh pt de fr ca cs el
[10:14] <pips1_> es = spanish
[10:14] <pips1_> xh = ?
[10:14] <pips1_> pt = ?
[10:14] <pips1_> de = german
[10:14] <pips1_> fr = french
[10:14] <pips1_> ca = ?
[10:14] <pips1_> cs = ?
[10:14] <pips1_> el = ?
[10:14] <highvoltage> xh = Xhosa
[10:15] <highvoltage> pips1_: they're iso codes, afaik
[10:15] <pips1_> right
[10:16] <highvoltage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
[10:18] <pips1_> ta, got it :)
[10:22] <highvoltage> ogra: what's the best way to check whether I'm on a livecd? to check whether casper is installed?
[10:34] <sacater> yawn
[10:34] <sacater> highvoltage: need me yet?
[10:35] <highvoltage> sacater: hey there!
[10:35] <sacater> :o
[10:35] <sacater> tis me
[10:35] <highvoltage> sacater: I notices last night our surnames differ by just one character
[10:35] <sacater> yours?
[10:36] <highvoltage> my surname is "Carter"
[10:36] <sacater> oh
[10:36] <sacater> common
[10:36] <sacater> cater uis unique
[10:36] <sacater> is*
[10:36] <highvoltage> my middle name is misspelled, so in total my name is still unique :)
[10:37] <highvoltage> sacater: the Ubuntu education summit is taking place from 2 May, it will be mostly a face to face gathering, but we'll be extending it over IRC and VoIP, so it would be great if you could get involved through that
[10:38] <sacater> ooh
[10:38] <sacater> ever heard of gizmo project?
[10:38] <sacater> its a voip skype, etc etc serviec
[10:38] <sacater> service*
[10:38] <sacater> all free :D
[10:38] <sacater> i use that, username is sacatermeister
[10:39] <highvoltage> haven't used it yet, is it packaged for Ubuntu yet?
[10:39] <sacater> highvoltage: it may help with gathering too, as you can open up conference rooms too as well for free
[10:39] <sacater> highvoltage: gizmoproject.com
[10:39] <sacater> you have to get their binary
[10:39] <sacater> .deb
[10:40] <highvoltage> sacater: I'm not sure what canonical currently has planned, but we can possibly try gizmo out
[10:40] <sacater> makes no real difference to me, as it supports multiple protocols
[10:40] <sacater> highvoltage: try it with me now, its quick to install
[10:42] <sacater> highvoltage: you need a headset or mic or course :P
[10:43] <sacater> highvoltage: second of may.... where?
[10:43] <highvoltage> sacater: download is 28% complete
[10:43] <sacater> cool
[10:43] <highvoltage> sacater: Seville, Spain
[10:43] <sacater> o
[10:43] <sacater> damnut
[10:43] <sacater> ill extend over irc and voip
[10:43] <highvoltage> sacater: https://launchpad.net/sprints/ues-sevilla-2007
[10:43] <sacater> ooh
[10:44] <sacater> ive never really understood edubuntu, is it for schools? colleges? what?
[10:44] <sacater> librarys ive noticed
[10:49] <sacater> highvoltage: download status?
[10:49] <sacater> highvoltage: #sacater
[10:49] <sacater>  /j it
[10:51] <sacater> mmmk
[10:51] <sacater> highvoltage: if no special irc channel has been selected for the may gathering, i would be willing to lend mine out, with ops of course, topic etc
[10:52] <highvoltage> sacater: ok
[10:52] <sacater> tell all to convey inside #sacater
[10:52] <highvoltage> IRC channels is at least something we've never had a lack of :)
[10:52] <sacater> heh
[10:54] <sacater> highvoltage: add me on gizmo when you are ready
[10:54] <sacater> added :o
[10:55] <sacater> call me or i call you :P
[10:55] <sacater> aw hell i will call you
[10:55] <highvoltage> sacater: I get a message saying that you're not available
[10:55] <sacater> oh
[10:55] <sacater> bollocks
[10:55] <sacater> hang on
[10:55] <highvoltage> I think I just left a message that will sound like typing :)
[10:55] <sacater> mmk
[10:56] <highvoltage> it sounded like an asterisk voice mail box. probably is :)
[10:57] <sacater> okay try me now
[10:57] <highvoltage> sacater: now I get a different message that says you haven't set up your voicemail yet
[10:57] <highvoltage> try to phone me?
[10:57] <sacater> kk
[10:57] <sacater> wait
[10:57] <sacater> plan b
[10:58] <sacater> add 'sacater'
[10:58] <highvoltage> it says it's not an existing username.
[10:58] <sacater> im gonna make it then
[10:59] <sacater> a few secs
[11:00] <sacater> add samcater
[11:00] <sacater> highvoltage:
[11:01] <highvoltage> adding...
[11:01] <sacater> try me now
[11:01] <highvoltage> sacater: are you irssi'ing from a gentoo box? your irssi version looks quite new
[11:01] <sacater> i am doing via a gentoo server
[11:01] <highvoltage> ringing...
[11:01] <highvoltage> voice mail.
[11:01] <sacater> i aint getting
[11:01] <sacater> oh well
[11:02] <sacater> back to sacatermeister
[11:03] <willvdl> highvoltage, what time does digital freedoms start tomorrow?
[11:03] <highvoltage> willvdl: I heard that it's something like 2pm
[11:03] <willvdl> oh
[11:03] <highvoltage> willvdl: I'm probably not going to go anymore
[11:04] <willvdl> ah
[11:04] <willvdl> (quick, I've got some vowels left)
[11:04] <highvoltage> willvdl: it seems like it's a bit of a disaster. Ross was there to look at the stands today, and he said people there didn't know what was going on, and that nothing was happening. and the career expo is happening in parrallel with that, and it seems that all the attention is going there
[11:04] <highvoltage> aaaaeeeiii!
[11:05] <willvdl> eh?
[11:05] <sacater> highvoltage: hang on a mo
[11:05] <willvdl> ooooh
[11:06] <sacater> highvoltage: callimhg
[11:06] <willvdl> highvoltage, http://tinyurl.com/2hwq7o  <--seems more like 9am
[11:06] <highvoltage> sacater: we're in a call, but I can't here you
[11:06] <sacater> highvoltage: speaker error
[11:06] <sacater> no
[11:06] <sacater> mic error
[11:06] <sacater> GAH
[11:07] <highvoltage> could you hear me?
[11:07] <sacater> yep
[11:07] <sacater> you soun young
[11:07] <sacater> sound*
[11:07] <highvoltage> :)
[11:08] <highvoltage> you should probably go to the gnome mixer and put the mic volume up under capture settings
[11:08] <sacater> thats what im thinking
[11:08] <sacater> but i use xfce
[11:08] <highvoltage> xfce's mixer can do it too. otherwise you could use alsamixer from a terminal.
[11:09] <sacater> try now
[11:09] <highvoltage> can't hear you
[11:09] <sacater> nope
[11:09] <sacater> let me try alsa mix
[11:10] <highvoltage> heard a "clunk" sound though
[11:10] <sacater> that was part of gizmo
[11:10] <sacater> damnit this sucks
[11:10] <highvoltage> willvdl: ah, we talked about Jimmy Wales too, so perhaps Ross was telling me about when he was coming up (I should listen more closely)
[11:11] <willvdl> come to the community BoF?
[11:11] <willvdl> day 2 at 3pm
[11:11] <highvoltage> friday afternoon... that sounds doable.
[11:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: do you know sacater yet?
[11:12] <willvdl> nope, hi
[11:12] <sacater> ello
[11:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: only 14 and already an Ubuntu contributor :)
[11:12] <sacater> highvoltage: alsa isnt picking me im either
[11:12] <willvdl> 14 what :)
[11:12] <sacater> im teh sacatermeister
[11:13] <sacater> 14 ans
[11:13] <sacater> age
[11:13] <highvoltage> willvdl: 14 years old
[11:13] <sacater> parle francais
[11:13] <willvdl> un poco
[11:13] <willvdl> espanol
[11:13] <sacater> late
[11:13] <sacater> mfskjndjfsfdsnkdfnjsdnfkjnsdfnkjnsndf
[11:13] <sacater> boned
[11:13] <sacater> :P
[11:13] <willvdl> ah, French keyboard
[11:13] <highvoltage> *started
[11:13] <sacater> highvoltage: sound recorder isnt picking me up either
[11:14] <willvdl> ah aprender Espanol...
[11:14] <highvoltage> "sound recorder"? that's in Windows, right? ;)
[11:14] <sacater> no
[11:14] <sacater> look in gnome
[11:14] <sacater> multimedia
[11:14] <willvdl> highvoltage, go to Peru, lose your plane-tickets and learn the hard way... like a man!
[11:15] <sacater> willvdl: a man wouldnt lose his plane tickets
[11:15] <sacater> :D
[11:15] <highvoltage> sacater: alsamixer -V capture
[11:15] <highvoltage> sacater: try to set the volume up on that
[11:15] <willvdl> highvoltage, http://tinyurl.com/18r <-- community BoF is tomorrow, Morgan's session is Friday
[11:15] <sacater> k
[11:15] <highvoltage> willvdl: that doesn't want to load here :/
[11:15] <willvdl> anyhoo, have't forgotten to set up a quick chat on IRC
[11:16] <willvdl> http://digitalfreedom.uwc.ac.za/index.php?module=cms&displayId=init_4301_1176452796&sectionid=init_1513_1173207574&id=init_4301_1176452796
[11:16] <sacater> highvoltage: try now
[11:17] <highvoltage> still can't here you :/
[11:17] <sacater> not to me
[11:17] <sacater> me to you
[11:17] <highvoltage> still nothing
[11:17] <sacater> are you saying anything
[11:18] <willvdl> eh
[11:18] <highvoltage> sacater: heard me there?
[11:18] <sacater> highvoltage: no...
[11:18] <sacater> wtf is in there
[11:18] <sacater> get out
[11:19] <sacater> ill open a conference line
[11:19] <highvoltage> heh, it was just a bunch of noise
[11:19] <sacater> yep
[11:19] <sacater> i got that...
[11:19] <sacater> wait a mo
[11:19] <sacater> highvoltage: dial this 1222999221
[11:20] <highvoltage> calling...
[11:20] <highvoltage> "Your call cannot be connected as dialed"
[11:20] <sacater> oh
[11:20] <sacater> hang on
[11:21] <highvoltage> sacater: I need to get some sleep, been a long day! :)
[11:21] <sacater> got it
[11:21] <sacater> 12228886655
[11:21] <highvoltage> ok let's try one more time
[11:21] <sacater> i can tell you are in
[11:21] <highvoltage> can't hear you :/
[11:21] <sacater> but cant hear you
[11:22] <sacater> i cant hear you either
[11:22] <sacater> try again tommorow
[11:22] <highvoltage> ok
[11:22] <sacater> afterschool :P
[11:22] <highvoltage> and after work :)
[11:22] <highvoltage> I hear frogs... hmmm
[11:22] <willvdl> erm
[11:22] <highvoltage> oh, now they say I'm the 3rd participant to the call.
[11:22] <highvoltage> anyway...
[11:22] <sacater> ojh
[11:22] <sacater> 3rd?
[11:23] <sacater> 1st
[11:23] <highvoltage> yeah.
[11:23] <sacater> i left
[11:23] <highvoltage> goodnight willvdl and sacater
[11:23] <sacater> i closed it off
[11:23] <sacater> night
[11:23] <willvdl> gnight
[11:23] <sacater> ill keep working on ir
[11:23] <highvoltage> cool
[11:23] <willvdl> pond boy
[11:23] <sacater> that was the conference room
[11:23] <sacater> frog noises
[11:27] <pips1_> what does the edubuntu DVD contain (feisty)?
[11:27] <pips1_> ogra ^^^ ?
[11:27] <pips1_> highvoltage: ?
[11:27] <pips1_> anyone?
[11:27] <willvdl> pips1_, everything if I'm not mistaken
[11:28] <pips1_> hm
[11:28] <pips1_> define everything please
[11:28] <pips1_> can you start a live session, e.g.
[11:28] <pips1_> ?
[11:28] <willvdl> I've actually never touched one
[11:29] <pips1_> neither have i
[11:29] <pips1_> on our current download page, it says "The DVD image contains both the live, and install ISO's, as well as all the packages officially supported by Ubuntu"
[11:29] <willvdl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[11:30] <willvdl> sounds right...
[11:36] <pips1_> oh, and what about shipit? they used to only ship 6.06 LTS, but it seems that they now changed that to ship the lastest release
[11:48] <pips1_> willvdl: you still here?
[11:48] <willvdl> yeha
[11:49] <pips1_> could you proof read the download page?
[11:49] <willvdl> sure. link?
[11:49] <pips1_> do you still know your drupal login password?
[11:49] <pips1_> (the page isn't published)
[11:49] <willvdl> pips1_, about ShipIt, dapper is still shipped (LTS) but Edgy should be replaced with Feisty
[11:49] <willvdl> yeah, lemme check...
[11:50] <willvdl> urk
[11:51] <willvdl> gotit
[11:51] <pips1_> :)
[11:51] <pips1_> willvdl: see pm