| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks | 12:19 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: this rocks :) I did not know that about Bazaar, you know what it just went up 1 knotch on my "this is great" list | 12:21 |
| Riddell | ScottK: congratulations | 12:22 |
| nixternal | I still have a couple of sections left, about 30 minutes to an hour total, but I would like you to look it over and see if you like the direction of it | 12:22 |
| Riddell | nixternal: it's really the killer feature | 12:22 |
| nixternal | yes it is | 12:22 |
| nixternal | this is great | 12:22 |
| ScottK | Thanks | 12:22 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I'm about to go to bed I'm afraid, it'll need to be tomorrow | 12:22 |
| nixternal | that's fine, it will be done by then | 12:22 |
| jbruckman | anyone know how to get the nvidia drivers working on feisty? | 12:22 |
| nixternal | and if you need any edits you can tell me in the morning | 12:22 |
| nixternal | jbruckman: #kubuntu | 12:23 |
| nixternal | or #ubuntu+1 | 12:23 |
| jbruckman | i'm on kubuntu | 12:23 |
| nixternal | jbruckman: talk to Freddy, he is at the same school as you | 12:23 |
| jbruckman | yeah, he is. he's sleeping | 12:23 |
| jbruckman | :-p | 12:23 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 12:23 |
| nixternal | jbruckman: this is the dev channel, so you won't get answers here unless it is development related | 12:24 |
| nixternal | jbruckman: #ubuntu-chicago man! Freddy hasn't taught you guys yet ey | 12:24 |
| jbruckman | ok. the reason i asked here though, is that I'm aware of a bunch of bugs out there realted to it | 12:24 |
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| jbruckman | and was oping to catch the guy looking at them. :-p | 12:24 |
| nixternal | Freddy is awake | 12:24 |
| jbruckman | hoping* | 12:24 |
| nixternal | he is talking ot me on IRC | 12:24 |
| jbruckman | damn him. | 12:24 |
| jbruckman | i'm going downstairs. | 12:24 |
| jbruckman | lol | 12:24 |
| nixternal | haha | 12:25 |
| jbruckman | afk | 12:25 |
| nixternal | oh wait, he is in the shower, so be careful ;p | 12:25 |
| nixternal | fo0d time | 12:25 |
| jbruckman | yeah, found that out.... | 12:26 |
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| Tm_T | nixternal: http://qdb.us/79712 | 12:40 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: can I have that? | 12:41 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 01:00 |
| nixternal | I wonder who in the heck posted that | 01:00 |
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| Tm_T | nixternal: so, can I get it? | 01:12 |
| nixternal | lemme email it to ya :) | 01:13 |
| nixternal | lemme just be the first to say, you aren't missing much with Office 2007. It is actually very confusing if you are used to the old layout | 01:14 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: well not used at all, I'm interested it as education purposes | 01:14 |
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| Tm_T | rhel and fedora, with centos :o | 01:38 |
| Tm_T | lnxkde: you're in nice mix of distros | 01:38 |
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| ryanakca | hmm... any pyqt4 genius' around here? | 02:31 |
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| nixternal | what tis it be | 02:32 |
| nixternal | I have been messing around with PyQt, I need to know what to look out for ;p | 02:32 |
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| ryanakca | Traceback (most recent call last): | 03:06 |
| ryanakca | File "kcipher.py", line 10, in <module> | 03:06 |
| ryanakca | class KCipherApplication(QApplication): | 03:06 |
| ryanakca | NameError: name 'QApplication' is not defined | 03:06 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: ^^ | 03:06 |
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| nixternal | you have the code posted anywhere? | 03:12 |
| nixternal | app = appname.QApplication (sys.argv) | 03:13 |
| nixternal | isn't that how you define with Python? | 03:13 |
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| jjesse | evening nixternal | 03:28 |
| nixternal | evening to you as well jjesse | 03:28 |
| jjesse | nixternal: hey i might be in chicago for training the 2nd week of may | 03:28 |
| nixternal | well we will have to get together if you make it out | 03:29 |
| nixternal | in the City? | 03:29 |
| jjesse | yeah in the city | 03:29 |
| nixternal | eww, but OK ;p | 03:29 |
| jjesse | that bad eh? | 03:29 |
| nixternal | I am not a big fan of the city, but it is OK to visit every now and then | 03:30 |
| jjesse | i'll be visiting in training all week, looking up the place | 03:30 |
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| jjesse | sorry went afk for a bit | 03:35 |
| nixternal | hehe | 03:35 |
| jjesse | i'm sick of dealing w/ hotel internet | 03:35 |
| jjesse | it sucks sometime, makes you "sign in" every 24 hours | 03:35 |
| nixternal | it seems vmware and 64bit feisty will never work, unless I do player | 03:38 |
| jjesse | that's a bummer | 03:38 |
| jjesse | nixternal: class will be at | 03:39 |
| jjesse | Chicago, IL (14-May-2007 - 18-May-2007) | 03:39 |
| jjesse | 230 W. Monroe, Ste 550 | 03:39 |
| nixternal | right by my old job | 03:40 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: yep, just a sec, I'll push | 03:41 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: https://launchpad.net/kcipher ... trunk -> Browse code | 03:42 |
| ryanakca | revision 15 | 03:42 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: vmware on amd64 feisty works fine here... | 03:43 |
| jjesse | i think it is nixternal's fault :) | 03:44 |
| ryanakca | I based it on http://vizzzion.org/?id=pyqt#designer | 03:44 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: player, workstation or server? | 03:44 |
| ryanakca | hmm... dunno | 03:45 |
| ryanakca | I use vmware-server-console | 03:45 |
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| nixternal | hrmm | 03:46 |
| nixternal | I will try that then | 03:47 |
| nixternal | I didn't see a 64bit download for it | 03:47 |
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| ryanakca | anywais, I'm heading to bed, good luck | 04:05 |
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| lnxkde | Tm_T, :p | 05:01 |
| lnxkde | Tm_T, /me wants to get to know RH and RH based projects better (they are the standart in Linux on US) | 05:01 |
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| nixternal | vmware will not build, the any-any patch doesn't work, the howtos in the forums suck, the wiki page is horrible | 06:27 |
| nixternal | is this a 64bit issue with vmware server | 06:27 |
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| _StefanS_ | mornings! | 08:53 |
| Tm_T | g'morgn | 08:54 |
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| Riddell | sebas: guidance is first non c++ programme in SVN no? we should make some noise about that | 01:04 |
| sebas | Riddell: You know, I'm not that kind of a PR guy ;-) | 01:05 |
| sebas | But I think you're right. Keymessage being: "KDE is not C++ only, if you want to code in other languages, you're welcome" | 01:07 |
| sebas | With some freedom bits punning Mono maybe | 01:07 |
| Riddell | ? mono is free | 01:07 |
| sebas | Python is more free | 01:07 |
| sebas | As in the implementation is not being prescribed by 'The Evil' | 01:08 |
| Riddell | it's not controlled by a company right enough | 01:08 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:08 |
| sebas | That's right, it doesn't really *feel* free either. But that discussion is nothing we want, actually. | 01:08 |
| sebas | There are enough clueless dorks hanging around on the dot already ;-) | 01:08 |
| Riddell | you recon it's dot material? | 01:10 |
| sebas | Yes, what else? | 01:10 |
| Riddell | blogs, commit-digest | 01:10 |
| Riddell | but if you say it's dot, lets do it | 01:10 |
| sebas | We're trying to push non-C++ stuff for some time already, that's generally agreed on, I think | 01:10 |
| sebas | Scripting languages can be first class citizens (though not suited for every single use case) | 01:11 |
| Riddell | _Sime: fancy giving us a quote on why python and not c++? all good stories need a quote | 01:11 |
| sebas | +1 | 01:11 |
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| Riddell | ooh, don't call python a scripting language, you'll have all the python programmers after you | 01:11 |
| sebas | Yes, we'd put it positive, just name it first class citizen. | 01:12 |
| apokryphos | heh, so true | 01:12 |
| sebas | And for PCness, mention that Ruby is fine as well =) | 01:12 |
| apokryphos | but not perl ;-) | 01:12 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: did I spot you gaining membership yesterday? | 01:12 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: yeah 8) | 01:13 |
| sebas | Yes, Perl is obviously some different beast ;-) | 01:13 |
| Riddell | perl is needed for debconf, but not much else | 01:13 |
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| apokryphos | Riddell: wasn't sure whether to apply as a Kubuntu member, but I figured most of my activities are on general Ubuntu IRC | 01:14 |
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| apokryphos | even though I'd never use ubuntu if it didn't have kde :P | 01:14 |
| Riddell | pop along to the next kubuntu meeting and we'll grill you too :) | 01:14 |
| Riddell | we should organise a meeting for some time before UDS | 01:15 |
| apokryphos | you mean so my head can grow even larger? =) | 01:15 |
| sebas | Wasn't there an IRC meeting while I was in Oslo? | 01:16 |
| sebas | NEver heard anything after that though | 01:16 |
| Riddell | for UDS attendees yes | 01:16 |
| sebas | Anything I should know? | 01:16 |
| Riddell | I thought I e-mailed you about it | 01:18 |
| Riddell | it was something like.. | 01:18 |
| Riddell | 1) is your travel booked | 01:18 |
| Riddell | 2) register yourself on launchpad for the sprint | 01:18 |
| Riddell | 3) any comments on the sessions I've scheduled | 01:18 |
| Riddell | 4) any questions | 01:18 |
| sebas | Can't find that email, and don't remember it. Can you re-send it if you still have it? | 01:19 |
| Riddell | didn't you show up late anyway and I poked you with those things? | 01:20 |
| sebas | Hm, don't think so. | 01:21 |
| sebas | I was really offline the whole day + night | 01:21 |
| apokryphos | https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+mugshots heh, the +mugshots thing is still very cool 8) | 01:23 |
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| Riddell | sebas: dunno, can't find e-mail, but that's about all it said | 01:25 |
| sebas | Hm, ok. I'll try to play detective on launchpad for a bit then. | 01:25 |
| marseillai_ | when i make dh_make -e email@domain dh_make use only my firstname so lintian is not happy. How can i change it and make dh_make use all my name ? | 01:27 |
| fdoving | apokryphos: nice, mugshots :) | 01:27 |
| apokryphos | yeah | 01:27 |
| fdoving | i need to improve mine. | 01:27 |
| Riddell | sebas: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/+attend | 01:27 |
| sebas | Jup, done that already. | 01:29 |
| sebas | Is there already a list with proposed specs for Kubuntu for Sevilla? | 01:30 |
| Riddell | not public | 01:30 |
| Riddell | here: | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Adept User Notifications | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Adept Cdrom Upgrades | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Accessibilty Keyboard | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Kiosktool | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Feisty+1 KDE 4 Plan | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu System Settings for KDE 4 | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Guidance for KDE 4 | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Restricted Manager | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Feisty+1 Adept Plan | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu KDE Bluetooth | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Remove Media Safely | 01:31 |
| Riddell | Edubuntu KDE | 01:31 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Website | 01:31 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Default Filemanager | 01:31 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu and meduxa discussion | 01:31 |
| Riddell | meduxa and malone | 01:31 |
| sebas | When will those be made public? Am I doing something wrong, I only see one blueprint ("composite by default") | 01:31 |
| Riddell | sebas: not sure what the plan is, for some reason they're not using launchpad for the specs (yet) | 01:34 |
| sebas | Hm, ok. | 01:35 |
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| Saied | all, Hi | 01:41 |
| Saied | I have problem with my kde-i18n-fa package | 01:42 |
| Saied | I have upgraded to kubuntu feisty with KDE 3.5.6 and I have installed kde-i18n-fa package for gui translation to persian | 01:43 |
| Saied | all things are OK except showing of some characters in persian language is wrong specially (h in persian) appears as a square | 01:45 |
| Riddell | could be a fonts issue or could be a qt issue | 01:47 |
| Riddell | does the character appear in gnome applications? | 01:47 |
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| kwwii_ | Riddell: http://sinecera.de/feistyreleasepic.png | 01:52 |
| kwwii_ | let me know what you think | 01:52 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: funky | 01:52 |
| sebas | kwwii_: I don't really like the turqouise | 01:52 |
| sebas | It also looks a bit rough | 01:53 |
| sebas | (I'll shut up about green right now ;-)) | 01:53 |
| fdoving | why don't we provide the akode engine for amarok? | 01:55 |
| Riddell | Saied: 12:47 < Riddell> could be a fonts issue or could be a qt issue12:47 < Riddell> does the character appear in gnome applications? | 01:56 |
| Saied | Riddell: thanks for your attention. i try to upload a screenshot | 02:01 |
| Saied | Riddell: i didn't try with Gnome but i think this problem is specific to KDE :( | 02:02 |
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| Saied | Riddell: this is screenshot. see squares in menu items: http://i19.tinypic.com/4dpypnp.png | 02:23 |
| Riddell | mm, nasty | 02:25 |
| Riddell | as I say you need to test it in gnome so we can find out where the problem is | 02:25 |
| Riddell | wouldn't surprise me if it was in qt 3, chinese has had issues too | 02:25 |
| Saied | Riddell: by which package i can install all Gnome packages? apt-get install gnome ? | 02:26 |
| fdoving | ubuntu-desktop will give you the full ubuntu desktop. | 02:27 |
| Saied | fdoving: thanks | 02:28 |
| Riddell | Saied: quicker just to install say gedit and test one app | 02:29 |
| Saied | Riddell: need to install language-pack-gnome-fa ? which package provide Gnome translation to persian? | 02:31 |
| Riddell | Saied: could do, I was thinking you could just type the character into gedit | 02:32 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I've started a spec for kmail with S/MIME by default. Nothing I need help with, but it'd be nice for it to be on a list somewhere. | 02:33 |
| Saied | Riddell: currently i have no problem with typing in KDE . just showing some characters specially | 02:33 |
| Riddell | Saied: so if you type that character it shows ok? | 02:33 |
| Saied | Riddell: maybe in can be solved by changing font | 02:34 |
| Saied | Riddell: yes. it shows OK | 02:34 |
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| Riddell | weird | 02:38 |
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| Jucato | wow I just came in a bit before Hobbsee? :D | 03:01 |
| raphink | yes Jucato, as a matter of fact | 03:01 |
| Jucato | hi raphink :) | 03:01 |
| Jucato | feisty release will push through on the 19th? (I've been out of the loop for a few days) | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | hi Jucato! | 03:02 |
| raphink | hi Jucato && Hobbsee | 03:02 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: last i knew, yes | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | hi raphink | 03:02 |
| raphink | yes Jucato (been out of the loop for a few months) | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | yes! | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | grab CDs while its hot! | 03:03 |
| Jucato | ooooh! hi jsgotangco!!! | 03:03 |
| raphink | hi jsgotangco | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | hi raphink! | 03:03 |
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| ScottK | Good evening Hobbsee. | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | hi ScottK | 03:07 |
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| Hobbsee | yay! | 03:07 |
| Jucato | congrats | 03:08 |
| ScottK | Thanks | 03:09 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: where can I find your kubuntu-website branch? | 03:22 |
| Riddell | https://code.launchpad.net/~nixternal/kubuntu-website/main hasn't been updated | 03:22 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I suppose getting a new version of kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts into feisty is something like impossible? | 03:25 |
| Jucato | apachelogger: are those the stuff like gg: or uwikis: in Konqueror? | 03:26 |
| apachelogger | yep | 03:26 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes | 03:26 |
| Riddell | why? | 03:26 |
| asyd | \_o< | 03:26 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: bug search is kind of broken | 03:27 |
| apachelogger | and package search is doing a query for dapper | 03:27 |
| Jucato | (and there is not shortcut for searching help.ubuntu.com/community, only for wiki.ubuntu.com) | 03:27 |
| Riddell | so it is | 03:28 |
| Riddell | ubug works for me with a bug number | 03:28 |
| apachelogger | but who knows the precise bug number? ;-) | 03:28 |
| apachelogger | Jucato: gotta add one, as it's not going into feisty anyway :) | 03:28 |
| Jucato | :) | 03:29 |
| Riddell | I get numbers given to me all the time for bugs | 03:29 |
| apachelogger | yeah, but not if one searches for a term, and a term based search seems pretty obvious to me | 03:30 |
| apachelogger | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=\\{@} | 03:31 |
| apachelogger | works for terms AND numbers | 03:31 |
| Jucato | maybe we can use ubugno for bug number search and ubugft for full text (following the default KDE ones)? | 03:33 |
| apachelogger | well | 03:39 |
| apachelogger | ubug will work for both | 03:39 |
| apachelogger | current keys: ubug,ubugno,ubugft,lpbug,lpbugno,lpbugft | 03:39 |
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| Riddell | sebas: fancy updating http://extragear.kde.org/ for guidance? | 03:50 |
| sebas | Riddell: Yes. | 03:53 |
| apachelogger | hm | 03:53 |
| === apachelogger is getting a checkout of amarok's extragear page | ||
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: i like the order plugin for rbot, btw | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | (i think you wrote it) | 03:54 |
| sebas | apachelogger: If you want things changed but lack the karma to commit, just send me the patch | 03:54 |
| apachelogger | sebas: got www karma when I was working on the kde brilliant buttons, thanks anyway :) | 03:55 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: yeah, I'm glad you like it :D | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | :D | 03:56 |
| sebas | apachelogger: All the better =) | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: which it was done for supybot, though :P | 03:56 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: hm? | 03:57 |
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| Hobbsee | apachelogger: sorry, s/which/wish/ | 03:57 |
| apachelogger | well | 03:57 |
| apachelogger | ruby FTW :P | 03:58 |
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| manchicken_ | Ruby's parser is too buggy ;) | 04:01 |
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| bddebian | heya | 04:07 |
| Tm_T | oh noes it's bddebian, hiiideee!!! | 04:07 |
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| Hobbsee | EVERYBODY RUUUUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 04:07 |
| bddebian | Hi Tm_T | 04:07 |
| Tm_T | el panico! | 04:08 |
| Tm_T | yes, I need some sleep | 04:08 |
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| instructor | How come we use mawk instead of gawk? | 04:20 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: shall I upload the new kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts to revu or just send a debdiff? | 04:24 |
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| Riddell | apachelogger: revu | 04:28 |
| apachelogger | k | 04:32 |
| apokryphos | hm, is there no single repository that would have all the latest kde4 snapshots? | 04:42 |
| apokryphos | making a techbase page for kde4 distribution packages | 04:42 |
| Riddell | no | 04:43 |
| apokryphos | ok, I'll just try to keep the page updated again | 04:44 |
| apokryphos | what's the advantage to just not having a single repo for it though? | 04:45 |
| LeeJunFan | when did kdm start overwriting the xorg.conf? I've got a bunch of non working systems because it wants to change the bus ID of these crappy SIS cards? | 04:45 |
| Riddell | kdm won't | 04:45 |
| Riddell | /etc/init.d/kde-guidance might | 04:45 |
| LeeJunFan | ah, okay. I'll check that. | 04:46 |
| LeeJunFan | yeah, that must be it, thanks. | 04:46 |
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| LeeJunFan | hehe, thought it was kdm because I edited the kdm outside the chroot for the nfs booting machines. | 04:48 |
| LeeJunFan | yep, that was it - thanks Riddell | 04:50 |
| sebas | Riddell: extragear page is updated | 04:50 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4833 | 05:06 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: I didn't realise it was such a big event. It is worth noting that it currently runs on KDE 3, not 4. Port will be later. | 05:21 |
| Riddell | good point | 05:25 |
| Riddell | fancy coming up with a quote for us on why pykde is the goodness? | 05:26 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I don't know what the problem was there, I recreated the branch and just committed revision 42 | 05:26 |
| nixternal | so give it a few and check it out | 05:26 |
| nixternal | I am waiting to see if you like those sections, and if you want to change some stuff around first. then I will do the screen shots since those only take a few minutes to do | 05:27 |
| Riddell | sections are fine | 05:28 |
| Riddell | I may have comments when I get to see the page I suppose | 05:28 |
| nixternal | yup, that is why I am waiting :) | 05:33 |
| nixternal | I am not 100% happy with a couple of sections, towards the bottom, that I would still like to tweak | 05:34 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: but I have no way of seeing it | 05:43 |
| acidBURN | Is there a link page, with all the updates or new features, that feisty is going to have over dapper ? | 05:43 |
| Jucato | over edgy most probably. | 05:43 |
| === Jucato glances at nixternal :) | ||
| Riddell | nixternal: ah, your bzr archive is updated now | 05:44 |
| Riddell | let me look at it | 05:44 |
| nixternal | Riddell: ya, I don't get why bzr updates like 15 minutes after a push/commit | 05:46 |
| acidBURN | So, far the beta, looks the same, as edgy excluding a beta update and bug fixes... | 05:47 |
| Jucato | acidBURN: have you seen the other release pages? from Herd 1 to 5? | 05:47 |
| acidBURN | give me a link pls | 05:47 |
| Jucato | acidBURN: the Beta page has links to the 5 pages | 05:48 |
| nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta/Kubuntu | 05:48 |
| acidBURN | but, I been using feisty since it became stable, on this machine and edgy on another.... there nothing I can that is WOW | 05:48 |
| nixternal | that has a link to ....what Jucato said | 05:48 |
| nixternal | acidBURN: the goal for Feisty was to improve on Edgy and concentrate a lot of usability and accessibility | 05:49 |
| nixternal | s/of/on | 05:49 |
| acidBURN | nxiternal: okay.. | 05:49 |
| nixternal | more or less, to knock the edginess off a little :) | 05:50 |
| acidBURN | nxiternal: I heard that linsphere linux distro was to supposedly are going to be add ? | 05:50 |
| Jucato | I'd say major areas of improvement would be Adept, the docs (ahem nixternal :D), power management, default style and some look and feel stuff | 05:50 |
| acidBURN | opps linspire distro | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | docs? impressive | 05:51 |
| nixternal | the docs still have more to go | 05:51 |
| acidBURN | nxiternal: so are they going to be add to ubuntu distro ? | 05:52 |
| nixternal | what is that? | 05:52 |
| Jucato | nixternal: true, but it's a major change to switch to a topic based help system :) | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | add what? | 05:52 |
| Jucato | I think he means CNR | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | its Linspire's problem not ours | 05:52 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:52 |
| nixternal | Click-n-Reformat | 05:52 |
| nixternal | ;p | 05:52 |
| acidBURN | nxiternal: no, linspire linux, is working with ubuntu and kde... | 05:53 |
| Jucato | click-n-run-away? | 05:53 |
| acidBURN | nxiternal: yes | 05:53 |
| acidBURN | nxiternal: read on line.... a month ago | 05:53 |
| nixternal | Linspire is based on Kubuntu now, or their future releases will be based on Kubuntu | 05:53 |
| acidBURN | yes | 05:53 |
| jsgotangco | i belive they just released a freespire alpha based on kubuntu | 05:53 |
| Jucato | I think he's referring to Linspire making CNR available to other distros as well | 05:53 |
| acidBURN | so, there depository will be added | 05:53 |
| nixternal | cool | 05:53 |
| Hobbsee | then nixternal really can have his pointy-clicky fixation satisfied... | 05:53 |
| nixternal | d'oh | 05:54 |
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| nixternal | Hobbsee: quit listening to crimsun, he is evil ;p | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | acidBURN: if you mean Kubuntu adding linspire's repos, that's unlikely unless done explicitly | 05:54 |
| acidBURN | nxiternal: was wondering it this would happen with feisty | 05:54 |
| nixternal | acidBURN: from what I have seen I would have to say no | 05:54 |
| acidBURN | just like added another to the sources.list file | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: haha :P | 05:55 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:55 |
| instructor | Jucato: Still no Adept help though :( | 05:56 |
| acidBURN | heard they are converting over all there apps to run on "ubuntu" | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | acidBURN: you'd really have to ask them about it, not us | 05:56 |
| nixternal | there is no adept help yet? whatever happened to the Adept Handbook? | 05:56 |
| jsgotangco | acidBURN: it shouldn't be hard to have CNR in Ubuntu, but its linspire's call to have it available | 05:56 |
| Jucato | instructor: manchicken has made some blog posts on how to use Adept (pre-feisty). | 05:56 |
| instructor | nixternal: read it | 05:56 |
| nixternal | where is jjesse at, I think that is his baby and he was working upstream with that | 05:56 |
| Jucato | nixternal: non-existent yet? | 05:57 |
| instructor | Jucato: I know. Are we linking to that when someone presses F1 ? | 05:57 |
| nixternal | no, we used to have an Adept Handbook, so I know it exists | 05:57 |
| nixternal | I just don't know where | 05:57 |
| jsgotangco | its not on the svn? | 05:57 |
| instructor | It's not at adept_manager/index.html :) | 05:57 |
| Jucato | instructor: of course not. I know what you mean but we have to do with what we have for now... (unfortunately) | 05:57 |
| nixternal | jsgotangco: yup, under feisty/kubuntu/unused | 05:57 |
| Jucato | nixternal: I've never seen an Adept handbook yet :( | 05:58 |
| nixternal | I think that is because some of the info was incorporated into help:/kubuntu/add-applications | 05:58 |
| Jucato | well, the handbook will probably need to be rewritten for feisty+ anyway... | 05:58 |
| instructor | WHoot :) | 05:58 |
| jsgotangco | this is actually more of upstream work now | 05:59 |
| instructor | Why is mawk used instead of gawk? | 06:00 |
| Jucato | although I think some of the feisty changes were made on Kubuntu's end. not really sure about the software sources thing | 06:00 |
| instructor | Isn't mawk unmaintained? | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | some of the feisty changes were made on kubuntu's end? | 06:01 |
| Jucato | for adept I mean | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | ahh that makes sense | 06:02 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you havn't committed any images | 06:07 |
| Riddell | nixternal: and that desktop image is of edgy | 06:07 |
| nixternal | Riddell: not yet, I wanted to make sure that the page was good to go, and to see if we needed changes | 06:07 |
| nixternal | I have vmware fired up ready for screenys though | 06:08 |
| Riddell | nixternal: the download link isn't closed | 06:10 |
| Riddell | multimedia: big up that it's k3b 1.0 | 06:10 |
| nixternal | roger | 06:10 |
| nixternal | haha 'big up' | 06:10 |
| nixternal | Riddell: you need to stop watching MTV | 06:11 |
| Riddell | server: point out that you can install all the server packages from the DVD (or the ubuntu server CD) | 06:11 |
| nixternal | roger | 06:11 |
| Riddell | nixternal: we need a section for the upgrade tool, that's important | 06:11 |
| Riddell | ah, there is one | 06:11 |
| nixternal | OK, I had just linked to the wiki page, but I will create a section for it | 06:11 |
| Riddell | well a screenshot at least | 06:12 |
| nixternal | roger | 06:12 |
| Riddell | under the hood: add that KDE 4 packages are available for the brave | 06:12 |
| nixternal | haha, will do | 06:13 |
| Riddell | networking: add that zeroconf is on by default (also printing too) | 06:15 |
| Riddell | a section for improvements to guidance power manager might be nice | 06:15 |
| Riddell | and maybe one for adept | 06:15 |
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| nixternal | gotcha | 06:15 |
| Riddell | system management: new wine config available | 06:16 |
| nixternal | ahh yes | 06:16 |
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| nixternal | printer sharing is enabled by default? | 06:18 |
| nixternal | don't think it is, there is no smb installed ootb | 06:21 |
| nixternal | unless it works over the zeroconf, which I have yet to figure out and understand 100% | 06:21 |
| jsgotangco | imagine a hundred itunes users in a single network seeing each other's playlists | 06:23 |
| nixternal | ya, I get that, but I never seen it work here locally | 06:23 |
| jsgotangco | oh just install a zeroconf browser | 06:23 |
| Riddell | nixternal: it's with ipp | 06:25 |
| nixternal | heh, my laptop is hosed with Zeroconf, that is probably why it doesn't work :) | 06:25 |
| nixternal | Command '/usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi 1' not found. | 06:25 |
| Riddell | hosed in what way? | 06:26 |
| nixternal | I can't enable it | 06:27 |
| nixternal | I have it enabled with my other 2 machines and they are both sitting in Konqui with zeroconf:/ but the windows are blank | 06:27 |
| nixternal | what's the trick? | 06:27 |
| Riddell | it's enabled by default as I say | 06:27 |
| Riddell | and konqi won't show anything unless there's something being advertised that it cares about (http, ftp) | 06:28 |
| Riddell | try ssh myothermachine.local | 06:28 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 06:28 |
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| nixternal | is there still cpu frequency scaling with guidance like we reported in the Herd2 release notes? | 07:00 |
| nixternal | I don't have it | 07:00 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: seems to be, here | 07:01 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 07:01 |
| nixternal | I wonder where mine went | 07:01 |
| sebas | Then either your HAL is broken, or you switched it off with a hack | 07:01 |
| nixternal | HAL must be broken, I never switched it off | 07:02 |
| nixternal | mine doesn't show the CPU Frequency anymore either | 07:02 |
| sebas | Yes, you would know. | 07:02 |
| sebas | lshal |grep -i cpu | 07:02 |
| nixternal | everything there looks OK | 07:03 |
| nixternal | info.product = 'Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz' (string) | 07:03 |
| nixternal | I know it supports scaling because it used to work | 07:03 |
| sebas | Nothin more? | 07:03 |
| nixternal | oh ya | 07:04 |
| nixternal | I just didn't want to paste it all in here :) | 07:04 |
| sebas | I've 9 lines on my workstation | 07:04 |
| nixternal | info.addons = {'hald-addon-acpi', 'hald-addon-cpufreq'} (string list) | 07:04 |
| nixternal | udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_CPU0' info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_CPU0' (string) | 07:04 |
| nixternal | 5 total here | 07:04 |
| yuriy | hey sebas, by "make sure you don't get into trouble committing stuff" did you mean some rules for extragear that are more strict than for playground? | 07:04 |
| nixternal | linux.acpi_path = '/proc/acpi/processor/CPU0' (string) | 07:04 |
| sebas | lshal |g -i cpufreq|wc -l 19:04:02 | 07:04 |
| sebas | 3 | 07:04 |
| sebas | ? | 07:04 |
| sebas | yuriy: No, only while moving | 07:04 |
| sebas | It's all cleared now | 07:05 |
| nixternal | 1 | 07:05 |
| sebas | You can commit whatever crap you want ;-) | 07:05 |
| sebas | nixternal: Does that line say "naah, dude. don't have that"? | 07:05 |
| nixternal | I don't see anything like that, just have the number 1 :) | 07:06 |
| sebas | Yes, you've got to remove the |wc -l of course :) | 07:06 |
| === ScottK has never had CPU scaling on his laptop... | ||
| nixternal | info.addons = {'hald-addon-acpi', 'hald-addon-cpufreq'} (string list) | 07:06 |
| nixternal | that is all there is | 07:06 |
| ScottK | Same here | 07:07 |
| === ScottK waits for nixternal to figure out how to fix it.... | ||
| sebas | I've two cpus that expose interfaces there | 07:07 |
| nixternal | ya, I don't know how to fix it ScottK, so you and I are both out of luck :) | 07:09 |
| === ScottK thinks the answer to your original question is yes. | ||
| nixternal | lol | 07:10 |
| === nixternal gets back to the release page | ||
| ScottK | Nothing like editing a 780MB text file in KATE on a laptop with 256MB of RAM to give the cooling fan a workout and warm up the room... | 07:17 |
| fdoving | use vim :) | 07:17 |
| nixternal | heh, Feisty is being released tomorrow correct? or am I off like usual? | 07:18 |
| Hobbsee | correct | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | depending on your definition of tomorrow | 07:19 |
| nixternal | true | 07:19 |
| nixternal | the 19th (UTC) | 07:19 |
| Riddell | yes | 07:19 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: I just pushed an updated version w/o screenys if you are interested in looking at in about 15min :) | 07:20 |
| === nixternal gets to the screenys | ||
| kwwii | nixternal: that is the fun part :-) | 07:21 |
| nixternal | that is the easy part :) | 07:21 |
| nixternal | vmware makes it super quick | 07:22 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I can look at it straight away, it's only launchpad that takes a while to sync | 07:22 |
| === Riddell views http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/main/announcements/7.04-release.php | ||
| nixternal | Riddell: ahh | 07:22 |
| Riddell | "do not forget to import them photos" s/them/those/ we don't speak Merkin here :) | 07:22 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 07:23 |
| kwwii | nixternal: I made a pretty neat screenshot of digikam already if you want to look at it | 07:24 |
| nixternal | yes | 07:24 |
| Riddell | nixternal: winfoss only has firefox and thunderbird on it now | 07:24 |
| nixternal | Riddell: OK, I will fix that | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | looks good to me | 07:24 |
| Riddell | nixternal: bittorrent: it was pointed out that it's not clear where to get the .torrent files | 07:24 |
| nixternal | k | 07:25 |
| Riddell | "Server install.." typos in that sentence | 07:25 |
| kwwii | nixternal: http://sinecera.de/digikam_small1.xcf | 07:25 |
| fdoving | nixternal: should there be a comma after only? in: Do note that it is highly unstable and is used for development purposes only at this time. | 07:26 |
| fdoving | or something like that.. | 07:26 |
| nixternal | fdoving: I believe you are correct, good spot | 07:26 |
| nixternal | kwwii: awesome screeny | 07:27 |
| kwwii | thnx, hope you can use it | 07:28 |
| nixternal | I can | 07:29 |
| nixternal | and I will | 07:29 |
| firephoto | kwwii: is that the latest digikam? editor look's different here. | 07:31 |
| kwwii | firephoto: it is the way I use my digikam - the controller part is at bottom:-) | 07:32 |
| apokryphos | caullerguiles has had some awesome work going on the digikam editor for the new release | 07:32 |
| apokryphos | a lot more tools for photo manipulation; the red-eye reduction was completely re-written | 07:33 |
| firephoto | kwwii: ok, i have some other buttons on the info bar at the bottom too, maybe those can be disabled somewher.e | 07:33 |
| kwwii | firephoto: yeah, basically that just shows my local config, not the default (and my version looks much nicer in a screenshot) | 07:34 |
| allee | kwwii: hi, is that digikam 0.8.2? There only filtertags on the right | 07:38 |
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| firephoto | i was just gonna ask that. i can't make those buttons disappear. | 07:39 |
| kwwii | allee: not sure, I made that screenshot a few weeks ago (and the system was up to date then) | 07:40 |
| kwwii | erm, looking at the file I made it a month ago | 07:41 |
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| allee | kwwii: must be 0.8.2. my browser menu looks different and at the rifht side I've 5 tabs not only 'tag filters' | 07:43 |
| kwwii | allee: yes, I agee with you now, after looking at the new version | 07:43 |
| allee | kwwii: when you update the screenshot move editor task bar to top for the screenshot. So it's not too different from what users get ;) | 07:45 |
| kwwii | allee: dude, I'm not updating any screenshots :-) | 07:46 |
| allee | kwwii: agreed. Perfect pictures can't be enhanced by definition :) | 07:47 |
| allee | Riddell: annoucement typo: virutal | 07:48 |
| nixternal | argh, I thought Krita was still installed by default | 07:49 |
| Riddell | allee: poke nixternal | 07:50 |
| nixternal | got it | 07:51 |
| nixternal | fixed | 07:51 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Dunno if this rates or not, but for klamav (Universe) the facility to download clamav updates and compile them direct from upstream works (if you have the build-depends installed) and does not mess with the upgrading to a new packaged version. This is something (keeping up to date with clamav) that people bitch and moan about all the time. | 07:51 |
| nixternal | so what does one use to edit pictures ootb? | 07:52 |
| instructor | ScottK: Backed up your DNA as ASCII? | 07:52 |
| ScottK | Not a current copy. | 07:52 |
| Riddell | nixternal: one doesn't currently | 07:53 |
| nixternal | roger, I need to replace the photo management section then | 07:53 |
| firephoto | the digikam editor will do basic stuff. | 07:53 |
| instructor | Is Gwenview getting editing stuff? | 07:56 |
| allee | instructor: only via kipi-plugins | 07:56 |
| fdoving | nixternal: are commas before and accepted in english? like: updated applications, and increased usability features... | 08:00 |
| nixternal | in that sentence it would be | 08:01 |
| fdoving | nixternal: if i were you i'd move the comma til after 'features' | 08:01 |
| nixternal | it is seperating 3 topics | 08:01 |
| fdoving | ok. :) | 08:02 |
| nixternal | you know who would know the best though, crimsun ^^ :) | 08:02 |
| marseillai | hi | 08:02 |
| marseillai | fdoving: do you have 5 minutes to help me on dpatch ? | 08:03 |
| fdoving | marseillai: sure. | 08:03 |
| marseillai | it shouldn't take long | 08:03 |
| marseillai | i've make a package for smplayer | 08:03 |
| fdoving | ok. | 08:03 |
| marseillai | and i've had to change Makefile | 08:03 |
| fdoving | why? | 08:03 |
| marseillai | so firstly i've made my change directly in source code | 08:03 |
| fdoving | ok. | 08:04 |
| marseillai | because there was some problem during building the package | 08:04 |
| fdoving | ok. | 08:04 |
| marseillai | after when i knew it was ok i've make a patch to source using dpatch and this tuto : https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/fr/basic-updating.html but i absolutly don't know what to add in debian/rules to apply my patches | 08:05 |
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| marseillai | i've search on net but i found nothing simple only that : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ap-pkg-eg.fr.html and it doesn't help me | 08:05 |
| fdoving | marseillai: kmenu -> run command '#dpatch' -> run. | 08:06 |
| fdoving | marseillai: do you use cdbs to make the package? | 08:06 |
| marseillai | no deb_helper some person told me it was a good point to start with deb_helper before CDBS | 08:07 |
| fdoving | ok, then the information in #dpatch will help you. | 08:07 |
| marseillai | fdoving: i've allready read man dpatch too | 08:07 |
| fdoving | marseillai: then you'll need to read it again. it says what to add. | 08:08 |
| marseillai | oki | 08:08 |
| nixternal | 64bit feisty gives me issues when I have to go into admin mode in system settings and/or kcontrol | 08:09 |
| === marseillai can't find any config.status in his debian/rules | ||
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| nixternal | new update to release notes (includes some pictures) | 08:38 |
| nixternal | OK, who has a lappy with a working Guidance? I need a couple of screenys (1024x768 if possible) of the main window and the mouse over | 08:39 |
| Riddell | not I | 08:40 |
| Riddell | sebas might | 08:41 |
| sebas | My install is everything but default, not sure if you want that. | 08:42 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I see no images, did you bzr add them? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/main/announcements/7.04-release.php | 08:42 |
| Riddell | oh, it's a root thing | 08:43 |
| Riddell | nixternal: could you change it from /images to ../images ? would make my branch work | 08:43 |
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| firephoto | nixternal: http://firephoto.googlepages.com/guidance.png http://firephoto.googlepages.com/guidancemouseover.png that work? | 08:45 |
| Riddell | nixternal: also images below the headings I think | 08:45 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Still need pics? | 08:47 |
| nixternal | Riddell: will do | 08:48 |
| nixternal | ScottK: yes | 08:48 |
| ScottK | OK. I got 1024 X 768. | 08:48 |
| ScottK | What do you need? | 08:48 |
| nixternal | I need guidance screenshots of the battery in the kicker, the popup windows from a right click, and the main dialog with a left click | 08:49 |
| ScottK | Will do | 08:51 |
| === _Sime is here. | ||
| ScottK | nixternal: http://www.kitterman.com/kubuntu/ | 08:56 |
| ScottK | How's that? | 08:57 |
| kwwii | Riddell, all: is this one better? http://sinecera.de/feistyreleasepic1.png | 08:59 |
| nixternal | kwwii: that is Kool :) | 09:00 |
| nixternal | I like the 7.04 standout | 09:00 |
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| nixternal | ScottK: almost. Is it possible for you to use the default Kubuntu theme? | 09:00 |
| nixternal | maybe create a quick second user to doso | 09:00 |
| Riddell | kwwii: funky too | 09:00 |
| amachu | hi every one | 09:00 |
| nixternal | hiya amachu | 09:01 |
| ScottK | Oops | 09:01 |
| kwwii | best of all, we can use it in the future as well without much work | 09:01 |
| kwwii | Riddell: is funky good or bad in your book? | 09:01 |
| amachu | this is amachu from Ubuntu Tamil Team | 09:01 |
| kwwii | :-) | 09:01 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Which one is it? | 09:01 |
| nixternal | ScottK: I don't know..hahah, let me look really quick | 09:01 |
| amachu | We have decided to have Ubuntu derivative project for Tamil | 09:01 |
| kwwii | there is an ubuntu tamil team? that is pretty cool | 09:01 |
| nixternal | Windeco is Crystal | 09:02 |
| nixternal | Style is Polyester | 09:02 |
| amachu | kwwii: yes | 09:02 |
| amachu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives/Tamil | 09:02 |
| nixternal | I am gonna have to finish this up during my break at school tonight | 09:02 |
| amachu | and we have decided the base as Kubuntu | 09:02 |
| Riddell | amachu: yay :) | 09:02 |
| amachu | Riddell: so far I have been a translator | 09:03 |
| kwwii | amachu: great :-) | 09:03 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Which color scheme? | 09:03 |
| nixternal | should be default | 09:03 |
| amachu | Riddell: and need to do learn a lot b4 commencing the task | 09:03 |
| amachu | kwwii: thank you | 09:03 |
| nixternal | kuseven maybe | 09:03 |
| nixternal | ScottK: yes, kuseven | 09:04 |
| ScottK | OK | 09:04 |
| kwwii | nixternal: I cannot beleive we left that file named that way | 09:04 |
| nixternal | but those screenys are actually what I want though :) thanks | 09:04 |
| ScottK | Redoing | 09:04 |
| kwwii | we'll fix that for gutsy | 09:04 |
| nixternal | kwwii: haha, I was wondering why that was the name | 09:04 |
| amachu | Riddell: kwwii: the other positive aspect is that we are the Upstream contact for Tamil translation for KDE translation too | 09:04 |
| amachu | so we believe we could rock | 09:04 |
| kwwii | nixternal: because it was the seventh version I made for kubuntu :-) | 09:05 |
| nixternal | haha nice | 09:05 |
| amachu | with all your support | 09:05 |
| amachu | from the scratch | 09:05 |
| amachu | as the first phase of our development cycle we would like to learn and document how Kubuntu itself is actually built | 09:06 |
| amachu | and from that customize our own needs... | 09:06 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Same URL | 09:07 |
| ScottK | All the ones with 2 in the name. | 09:07 |
| kwwii | amachu: well, I am only an artist so there won't be much I can help you with there :-) | 09:07 |
| amachu | so, what i am expecting to learn is, to where to begin to learn the development process involved in Kubuntu | 09:08 |
| Riddell | amachu: best thing is to start with an existing CD and customise it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06 | 09:08 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Let me know if you need anything else. | 09:08 |
| amachu | Riddell: thats fine.. | 09:08 |
| amachu | Riddell: Thank yOu | 09:08 |
| nixternal | oh man I feel like an ass right now. ScottK I forgot to tell ya, the kicker and wallpaper too :( | 09:08 |
| nixternal | feel free to shoot me! | 09:09 |
| amachu | Riddell: we would like to know the Kubuntu development process.. | 09:09 |
| ScottK | No problem | 09:09 |
| ScottK | Just lemma know what to set it as | 09:09 |
| nixternal | I am sorry for that | 09:09 |
| nixternal | but hey, you are getting good with screenshots ;) | 09:09 |
| amachu | Riddell: One major change we have identified is to drop open office from our distro | 09:09 |
| nixternal | /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/kubuntu-panel.png for the kicker | 09:09 |
| amachu | Riddell: and replace it with KOffice | 09:10 |
| nixternal | /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png for wallpapers | 09:10 |
| amachu | Riddell: also we would like to know how Kubuntu is associated with repositaries | 09:10 |
| amachu | Riddell: and other aspects... | 09:10 |
| nixternal | ScottK: I can make it work! | 09:10 |
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| nixternal | don't worry, I am just going to crop around the popup anyways | 09:11 |
| ScottK | OK | 09:11 |
| === ScottK will stop | ||
| amachu | Is there a page to begin like it there for Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment ? | 09:12 |
| === ScottK goes back to doing paying work so he can afford to invest time in FOSS work later... | ||
| amachu | also URL where this #kubuntu is logged? | 09:13 |
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| amachu | anyone there ?? | 09:15 |
| fdoving | amachu: you can find irc logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 09:17 |
| Riddell | amachu: sometimes, I'm testing feisty candidates today | 09:17 |
| Riddell | amachu: repositories we upload software to | 09:18 |
| Riddell | amachu: then we have seeds which list what we want on the CDs | 09:18 |
| Riddell | amachu: then germinate is used to make kubuntu-meta | 09:18 |
| Riddell | amachu: then a script uses debootstrap to make the filesystem based on kubuntu-meta and ubuntu-minimal and -standard | 09:18 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SeedManagement | 09:19 |
| amachu | Riddell: ok.. | 09:19 |
| amachu | i can't get a clear picture.. but feels this to be nice beginning | 09:19 |
| amachu | Riddell: Thank You for that.. | 09:19 |
| amachu | I will be here at this IRC .. | 09:20 |
| amachu | to seek all your help as when needed | 09:20 |
| amachu | all the best for Kubuntu Feisty Fawn.. | 09:20 |
| amachu | The Dawn of Feisty Fawn.. | 09:20 |
| amachu | :) | 09:20 |
| amachu | Riddell: thank u for now, i will go thru the links you had provided | 09:22 |
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| nixternal | alrighty, I am going to go to school now. I will complete this in about 2.5 hours during my class break | 09:27 |
| Riddell | thanks nixternal | 09:32 |
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| marseillai | fdoving: i'm absolutly not able to make my dpatch work! i've add dpatch as build-dep, i have a 00list in debian/patches, change my debian/rules like that but it still not use my patch ... | 10:01 |
| fdoving | marseillai: can you publish the package somewhere, then i can have a look at it. | 10:02 |
| marseillai | fdoving: ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/smplayer.tar.gz | 10:03 |
| ScottK | marseillai: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources and particularly the bit about dpatch-edit-patch | 10:03 |
| elcuco_ | debian/rules is probably borked | 10:04 |
| marseillai | fdoving: i've put my patch-stamp in configure instead of build-stamp.... is it that ? | 10:07 |
| marseillai | in debian/rules .... | 10:07 |
| marseillai | sorry for disturbing if it is that | 10:07 |
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| fdoving | gah.. i hate that change to dpkg-source | 10:11 |
| fdoving | dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address | 10:11 |
| marseillai | fdoving: repaired | 10:12 |
| fdoving | marseillai: did you get your patch to apply? | 10:12 |
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| marseillai | no | 10:12 |
| fdoving | i just changed the versionnumber to 'ubu1' instead of 'ubuntu1' | 10:12 |
| marseillai | just the problem of ubuntu-mail ... | 10:12 |
| marseillai | why ? | 10:12 |
| fdoving | i just hate the change in dpkg-source, it's totaly stupid to include that. imho. | 10:12 |
| marseillai | ok | 10:13 |
| fdoving | i can package stuff for ubuntu with any e-mail if i want to, there are no rules about that that i'm aware of. you don't even have to be a member to make a changelog entry. | 10:13 |
| marseillai | fdoving: forgot it | 10:14 |
| marseillai | my mistake for the patch | 10:14 |
| fdoving | i got your patch to work though :) | 10:14 |
| fdoving | the bug is in /usr/bin/dpkg-source | 10:14 |
| fdoving | not in your package :) | 10:14 |
| === marseillai happy to hear that! :) | ||
| fdoving | your package looks good, i'll try to explain what you need to change. | 10:15 |
| fdoving | marseillai: open debian/rules | 10:16 |
| marseillai | fdoving: i've add patch-stamp after build-stamp instead of configure and it works... :) i still have this error : | 10:16 |
| marseillai | make[2] : Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/smplayer-0.3.27/src' | 10:16 |
| marseillai | make[2] : *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. | 10:16 |
| marseillai | but now it works | 10:16 |
| fdoving | marseillai: does it unpatch and cleanup too? | 10:17 |
| marseillai | fdoving: but i'm listening to you every advice is good in my situation | 10:17 |
| marseillai | yes i think but not sur of this | 10:17 |
| fdoving | marseillai: i changed it to look like this: | 10:18 |
| fdoving | http://rafb.net/p/ZZxuvX70.html | 10:18 |
| fdoving | marseillai: 'configure: build-stamp configure-stamp' means the command 'debian/rules configure' depends on 'debian/rules build-stamp' and 'debian/rules configure-stamp' | 10:19 |
| fdoving | marseillai: so making configure-stamp depend on patch, we get the source patched. | 10:20 |
| marseillai | i'm reading you slowly but i'm reading you | 10:20 |
| marseillai | oki | 10:21 |
| fdoving | marseillai: also, for clean, we make 'debian/rules clean' depend on unpatch and clean-unpatched, that'll unpatch and clean with the commands in clean-unpatched: | 10:21 |
| marseillai | fdoving: can i show you the one i use currently, and could you tell me the differences between yours ? | 10:21 |
| fdoving | sure. | 10:21 |
| marseillai | and if it is good ? | 10:21 |
| fdoving | ok. | 10:21 |
| fdoving | brb. 5 min. kid -> bed. | 10:22 |
| marseillai | fdoving: http://rafb.net/p/rCL8pi61.html | 10:22 |
| marseillai | no problem | 10:22 |
| fdoving | marseillai: ok the difference is that your package is configured before the patch is applied. the patch is only applied before a build. you can read 'man dpatch.make'. it says you need to add the patch prerequisite to a target that does not depend on another. | 10:30 |
| fdoving | marseillai: you also depend on patch-stamp which can be configured to not work. via the DPATCH_STAMPFN environment variable. you should use 'patch' | 10:31 |
| marseillai | oki | 10:31 |
| fdoving | and you should re-write the clean targets as i did, and 'man dpatch.make' says. | 10:32 |
| marseillai | fdoving: man dpatch was really not simple to understand for me! :$ | 10:33 |
| fdoving | dpatch isn't that simple. | 10:33 |
| marseillai | yes | 10:33 |
| marseillai | i see | 10:33 |
| fdoving | i usually recommend cdbs, and use it myself. | 10:33 |
| marseillai | fdoving: my next package will be for me time to learn cdbs :) | 10:33 |
| fdoving | but debhelper is nice if you want to learn makefile-syntax :) | 10:33 |
| marseillai | so basket note time ..... | 10:37 |
| === ScottK likes cdbs too. It's magic. | ||
| === marseillai don't like it currently because there are no good (simple and detailed) tuto for it on web, or i don't find them | ||
| ScottK | It doesn't need much. | 10:39 |
| ScottK | Find a cdbs packaged package similar to yours and copy. Go from there. | 10:39 |
| marseillai | fdoving: is it normal that my package doesn't depend on mplayer ??? | 10:49 |
| fdoving | marseillai: you would need to add that depend yourself. | 10:49 |
| marseillai | oki | 10:49 |
| fdoving | if it is unusable without it. | 10:49 |
| marseillai | it is | 10:49 |
| fdoving | you could however just recommend it. | 10:49 |
| marseillai | i thought it will be add automatically | 10:50 |
| marseillai | grrrrrrrrrr thought i had finish | 10:50 |
| marseillai | :) | 10:50 |
| fdoving | by default adept, synaptic and aptitude should should now install recommends, but allow them to be removed. | 10:50 |
| fdoving | it can be usefull for people to be allowed to compile their own mplayer, for example. | 10:50 |
| fdoving | that's up to you really. | 10:50 |
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| nixternal | OK, I skipped the first class. time to make the donuts | 11:15 |
| ScottK | nixternal: I'm here for roughly another 30 minutes if you need more screen shots. | 11:16 |
| nixternal | ScottK: do you have a stock Windows XP box? :) | 11:21 |
| === ScottK doesn't have Windows XP at all. | ||
| nixternal | hehe | 11:21 |
| nixternal | crimsun does | 11:21 |
| ScottK | Windows 2K on my wife's PC is the newest I have (she's dual booting). | 11:21 |
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| nixternal | I can get the screenshot later for that anyways | 11:22 |
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