ScottKRiddell: Thanks12:19
nixternalRiddell: this rocks :) I did not know that about Bazaar, you know what it just went up 1 knotch on my "this is great" list12:21
RiddellScottK: congratulations12:22
nixternalI still have a couple of sections left, about 30 minutes to an hour total, but I would like you to look it over and see if you like the direction of it12:22
Riddellnixternal: it's really the killer feature12:22
nixternalyes it is12:22
nixternalthis is great12:22
Riddellnixternal: I'm about to go to bed I'm afraid, it'll need to be tomorrow12:22
nixternalthat's fine, it will be done by then12:22
jbruckmananyone know how to get the nvidia drivers working on feisty?12:22
nixternaland if you need any edits you can tell me in the morning12:22
nixternaljbruckman: #kubuntu12:23
nixternalor #ubuntu+112:23
jbruckmani'm on kubuntu12:23
nixternaljbruckman: talk to Freddy, he is at the same school as you12:23
jbruckmanyeah, he is. he's sleeping12:23
nixternaljbruckman: this is the dev channel, so you won't get answers here unless it is development related12:24
nixternaljbruckman: #ubuntu-chicago man! Freddy hasn't taught you guys yet ey12:24
jbruckmanok. the reason i asked here though, is that I'm aware of a bunch of bugs out there realted to it12:24
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jbruckmanand was oping to catch the guy looking at them. :-p12:24
nixternalFreddy is awake12:24
nixternalhe is talking ot me on IRC12:24
jbruckmandamn him.12:24
jbruckmani'm going downstairs.12:24
nixternaloh wait, he is in the shower, so be careful ;p12:25
nixternalfo0d time12:25
jbruckmanyeah, found that out....12:26
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Tm_Tnixternal: http://qdb.us/7971212:40
Tm_Tnixternal: can I have that?12:41
nixternalI wonder who in the heck posted that01:00
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Tm_Tnixternal: so, can I get it?01:12
nixternallemme email it to ya :)01:13
nixternallemme just be the first to say, you aren't missing much with Office 2007. It is actually very confusing if you are used to the old layout01:14
Tm_Tnixternal: well not used at all, I'm interested it as education purposes01:14
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Tm_Trhel and fedora, with centos :o01:38
Tm_Tlnxkde: you're in nice mix of distros01:38
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ryanakcahmm... any pyqt4 genius' around here?02:31
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nixternalwhat tis it be02:32
nixternalI have been messing around with PyQt, I need to know what to look out for ;p02:32
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ryanakcaTraceback (most recent call last):03:06
ryanakca  File "kcipher.py", line 10, in <module>03:06
ryanakca    class KCipherApplication(QApplication):03:06
ryanakcaNameError: name 'QApplication' is not defined03:06
ryanakcanixternal: ^^03:06
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nixternalyou have the code posted anywhere?03:12
nixternalapp = appname.QApplication (sys.argv)03:13
nixternalisn't that how you define with Python?03:13
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jjesseevening nixternal03:28
nixternalevening to you as well jjesse03:28
jjessenixternal: hey i might be in chicago for training the 2nd week of may03:28
nixternalwell we will have to get together if you make it out03:29
nixternalin the City?03:29
jjesseyeah in the city03:29
nixternaleww, but OK ;p03:29
jjessethat bad eh?03:29
nixternalI am not a big fan of the city, but it is OK to visit every now and then03:30
jjessei'll be visiting in training all week, looking up the place03:30
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jjessesorry went afk for a bit03:35
jjessei'm sick of dealing w/ hotel internet03:35
jjesseit sucks sometime, makes you "sign in" every 24 hours03:35
nixternalit seems vmware and 64bit feisty will never work, unless I do player03:38
jjessethat's a bummer03:38
jjessenixternal: class will be at03:39
jjesseChicago, IL (14-May-2007 - 18-May-2007)03:39
jjesse230 W. Monroe, Ste 55003:39
nixternalright by my old job03:40
ryanakcanixternal: yep, just a sec, I'll push03:41
ryanakcanixternal: https://launchpad.net/kcipher  ... trunk -> Browse code03:42
ryanakcarevision 1503:42
ryanakcanixternal: vmware on amd64 feisty works fine here...03:43
jjessei think it is nixternal's fault :)03:44
ryanakcaI based it on http://vizzzion.org/?id=pyqt#designer03:44
nixternalryanakca: player, workstation or server?03:44
ryanakcahmm... dunno03:45
ryanakcaI use vmware-server-console03:45
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nixternalI will try that then03:47
nixternalI didn't see a 64bit download for it03:47
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ryanakcaanywais, I'm heading to bed, good luck04:05
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lnxkdeTm_T, :p05:01
lnxkdeTm_T, /me wants to get to know RH and RH based projects better (they are the standart in Linux on US)05:01
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nixternalvmware will not build, the any-any patch doesn't work, the howtos in the forums suck, the wiki page is horrible06:27
nixternalis this a 64bit issue with vmware server06:27
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Riddellsebas: guidance is first non c++ programme in SVN no?  we should make some noise about that01:04
sebasRiddell: You know, I'm not that kind of a PR guy ;-)01:05
sebasBut I think you're right. Keymessage being: "KDE is not C++ only, if you want to code in other languages, you're welcome"01:07
sebasWith some freedom bits punning Mono maybe01:07
Riddell? mono is free01:07
sebasPython is more free01:07
sebasAs in the implementation is not being prescribed by 'The Evil'01:08
Riddellit's not controlled by a company right enough01:08
sebasThat's right, it doesn't really *feel* free either. But that discussion is nothing we want, actually.01:08
sebasThere are enough clueless dorks hanging around on the dot already ;-)01:08
Riddellyou recon it's dot material?01:10
sebasYes, what else?01:10
Riddellblogs, commit-digest01:10
Riddellbut if you say it's dot, lets do it01:10
sebasWe're trying to push non-C++ stuff for some time already, that's generally agreed on, I think01:10
sebasScripting languages can be first class citizens (though not suited for every single use case)01:11
Riddell_Sime: fancy giving us a quote on why python and not c++?  all good stories need a quote01:11
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Riddellooh, don't call python a scripting language, you'll have all the python programmers after you01:11
sebasYes, we'd put it positive, just name it first class citizen.01:12
apokryphosheh, so true01:12
sebasAnd for PCness, mention that Ruby is fine as well =)01:12
apokryphosbut not perl ;-)01:12
Riddellapokryphos: did I spot you gaining membership yesterday?01:12
apokryphosRiddell: yeah 8)01:13
sebasYes, Perl is obviously some different beast ;-)01:13
Riddellperl is needed for debconf, but not much else01:13
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apokryphosRiddell: wasn't sure whether to apply as a Kubuntu member, but I figured most of my activities are on general Ubuntu IRC01:14
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apokryphoseven though I'd never use ubuntu if it didn't have kde :P01:14
Riddellpop along to the next kubuntu meeting and we'll grill you too :)01:14
Riddellwe should organise a meeting for some time before UDS01:15
apokryphosyou mean so my head can grow even larger? =)01:15
sebasWasn't there an IRC meeting while I was in Oslo?01:16
sebasNEver heard anything after that though01:16
Riddellfor UDS attendees yes01:16
sebasAnything I should know?01:16
RiddellI thought I e-mailed you about it01:18
Riddellit was something like..01:18
Riddell1) is your travel booked01:18
Riddell2) register yourself on launchpad for the sprint01:18
Riddell3) any comments on the sessions I've scheduled01:18
Riddell4) any questions01:18
sebasCan't find that email, and don't remember it. Can you re-send it if you still have it?01:19
Riddelldidn't you show up late anyway and I poked you with those things?01:20
sebasHm, don't think so.01:21
sebasI was really offline the whole day + night01:21
apokryphoshttps://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+mugshots heh, the +mugshots thing is still very cool 8)01:23
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Riddellsebas: dunno, can't find e-mail, but that's about all it said01:25
sebasHm, ok. I'll try to play detective on launchpad for a bit then.01:25
marseillai_when i make dh_make -e email@domain dh_make use only my firstname so lintian is not happy. How can i change it and make dh_make use all my name ?01:27
fdovingapokryphos: nice, mugshots :)01:27
fdovingi need to improve mine.01:27
Riddellsebas: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/+attend01:27
sebasJup, done that already.01:29
sebasIs there already a list with proposed specs for Kubuntu for Sevilla?01:30
Riddellnot public01:30
RiddellAdept User Notifications01:30
RiddellAdept Cdrom Upgrades01:30
RiddellKubuntu Accessibilty Keyboard01:30
RiddellKubuntu Kiosktool01:30
RiddellKubuntu Feisty+1 KDE 4 Plan01:30
RiddellKubuntu System Settings for KDE 401:30
RiddellKubuntu Guidance for KDE 401:30
RiddellKubuntu Restricted Manager01:30
RiddellKubuntu Feisty+1 Adept Plan01:30
RiddellKubuntu KDE Bluetooth01:30
RiddellKubuntu Remove Media Safely01:31
RiddellEdubuntu KDE01:31
RiddellKubuntu Website01:31
RiddellKubuntu Default Filemanager01:31
RiddellKubuntu and meduxa discussion01:31
Riddellmeduxa and malone01:31
sebasWhen will those be made public? Am I doing something wrong, I only see one blueprint ("composite by default")01:31
Riddellsebas: not sure what the plan is, for some reason they're not using launchpad for the specs (yet)01:34
sebasHm, ok.01:35
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Saiedall, Hi01:41
SaiedI have problem with my kde-i18n-fa package01:42
SaiedI have upgraded to kubuntu feisty with KDE 3.5.6 and I have installed kde-i18n-fa package for gui translation to persian01:43
Saiedall things are OK except showing of some characters in persian language is wrong specially  (h in persian) appears as a square01:45
Riddellcould be a fonts issue or could be a qt issue01:47
Riddelldoes the character appear in gnome applications?01:47
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kwwii_Riddell: http://sinecera.de/feistyreleasepic.png01:52
kwwii_let me know what you think01:52
Riddellkwwii_: funky01:52
sebaskwwii_: I don't really like the turqouise01:52
sebasIt also looks a bit rough01:53
sebas(I'll shut up about green right now ;-))01:53
fdovingwhy don't we provide the akode engine for amarok?01:55
RiddellSaied: 12:47 < Riddell> could be a fonts issue or could be a qt issue12:47 < Riddell> does the character appear in gnome applications?01:56
SaiedRiddell: thanks for your attention. i try to upload a screenshot02:01
SaiedRiddell: i didn't try with Gnome but i think this problem is specific to KDE :(02:02
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SaiedRiddell: this is screenshot. see squares in menu items: http://i19.tinypic.com/4dpypnp.png02:23
Riddellmm, nasty02:25
Riddellas I say you need to test it in gnome so we can find out where the problem is02:25
Riddellwouldn't surprise me if it was in qt 3, chinese has had issues too02:25
SaiedRiddell: by which package i can install all Gnome packages? apt-get install gnome ?02:26
fdovingubuntu-desktop will give you the full ubuntu desktop.02:27
Saiedfdoving: thanks02:28
RiddellSaied: quicker just to install say gedit and test one app02:29
SaiedRiddell: need to install language-pack-gnome-fa ? which package provide Gnome translation to persian?02:31
RiddellSaied: could do, I was thinking you could just type the character into gedit02:32
ScottKRiddell: I've started a spec for kmail with S/MIME by default.  Nothing I need help with, but it'd be nice for it to be on a list somewhere.02:33
SaiedRiddell: currently i have no problem with typing in KDE . just showing some characters specially 02:33
RiddellSaied: so if you type that character it shows ok?02:33
SaiedRiddell: maybe in can be solved by changing font02:34
SaiedRiddell: yes. it shows OK02:34
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Jucatowow I just came in a bit before Hobbsee? :D03:01
raphinkyes Jucato, as a matter of fact03:01
Jucatohi raphink :)03:01
Jucatofeisty release will push through on the 19th? (I've been out of the loop for a few days)03:02
Hobbseehi Jucato!03:02
raphinkhi Jucato  && Hobbsee03:02
Jucatohi Hobbsee03:02
HobbseeJucato: last i knew, yes03:02
Hobbseehi raphink03:02
raphinkyes Jucato (been out of the loop for a few months)03:02
jsgotangcograb CDs while its hot!03:03
Jucatoooooh! hi jsgotangco!!!03:03
raphinkhi jsgotangco03:03
jsgotangcohi raphink!03:03
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ScottKGood evening Hobbsee.03:06
Hobbseehi ScottK03:07
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Riddellnixternal: where can I find your kubuntu-website branch?03:22
Riddellhttps://code.launchpad.net/~nixternal/kubuntu-website/main hasn't been updated03:22
apacheloggerRiddell: I suppose getting a new version of kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts into feisty is something like impossible?03:25
Jucatoapachelogger: are those the stuff like gg: or uwikis: in Konqueror?03:26
Riddellapachelogger: yes03:26
apacheloggerRiddell: bug search is kind of broken03:27
apacheloggerand package search is doing a query for dapper03:27
Jucato(and there is not shortcut for searching help.ubuntu.com/community, only for wiki.ubuntu.com)03:27
Riddellso it is03:28
Riddellubug works for me with a bug number03:28
apacheloggerbut who knows the precise bug number? ;-)03:28
apacheloggerJucato: gotta add one, as it's not going into feisty anyway :)03:28
RiddellI get numbers given to me all the time for bugs03:29
apacheloggeryeah, but not if one searches for a term, and a term based search seems pretty obvious to me03:30
apacheloggerworks for terms AND numbers03:31
Jucatomaybe we can use ubugno for bug number search and ubugft for full text (following the default KDE ones)?03:33
apacheloggerubug will work for both03:39
apacheloggercurrent keys: ubug,ubugno,ubugft,lpbug,lpbugno,lpbugft03:39
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Riddellsebas: fancy updating http://extragear.kde.org/ for guidance?03:50
sebasRiddell: Yes.03:53
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Hobbseeapachelogger: i like the order plugin for rbot, btw03:54
Hobbsee(i think you wrote it)03:54
sebasapachelogger: If you want things changed but lack the karma to commit, just send me the patch03:54
apacheloggersebas: got www karma when I was working on the kde brilliant buttons, thanks anyway :)03:55
apacheloggerHobbsee: yeah, I'm glad you like it :D03:55
sebasapachelogger: All the better =)03:56
Hobbseeapachelogger: which it was done for supybot, though :P03:56
apacheloggerHobbsee: hm?03:57
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Hobbseeapachelogger: sorry, s/which/wish/03:57
apacheloggerruby FTW :P03:58
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manchicken_Ruby's parser is too buggy ;)04:01
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Tm_Toh noes it's bddebian, hiiideee!!!04:07
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HobbseeEVERYBODY RUUUUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!04:07
bddebianHi Tm_T04:07
Tm_Tel panico!04:08
Tm_Tyes, I need some sleep04:08
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instructorHow come we use mawk instead of gawk?04:20
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apacheloggerRiddell: shall I upload the new kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts to revu or just send a debdiff?04:24
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Riddellapachelogger: revu04:28
apokryphoshm, is there no single repository that would have all the latest kde4 snapshots?04:42
apokryphosmaking a techbase page for kde4 distribution packages04:42
apokryphosok, I'll just try to keep the page updated again04:44
apokryphoswhat's the advantage to just not having a single repo for it though?04:45
LeeJunFanwhen did kdm start overwriting the xorg.conf? I've got a bunch of non working systems because it wants to change the bus ID of these crappy SIS cards?04:45
Riddellkdm won't04:45
Riddell/etc/init.d/kde-guidance might04:45
LeeJunFanah, okay. I'll check that.04:46
LeeJunFanyeah, that must be it, thanks.04:46
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LeeJunFanhehe, thought it was kdm because I edited the kdm outside the chroot for the nfs booting machines.04:48
LeeJunFanyep, that was it - thanks Riddell04:50
sebasRiddell: extragear page is updated04:50
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apacheloggerRiddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=483305:06
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_SimeRiddell: I didn't realise it was such a big event. It is worth noting that it currently runs on KDE 3, not 4. Port will be later.05:21
Riddellgood point05:25
Riddellfancy coming up with a quote for us on why pykde is the goodness?05:26
nixternalRiddell: I don't know what the problem was there, I recreated the branch and just committed revision 4205:26
nixternalso give it a few and check it out05:26
nixternalI am waiting to see if you like those sections, and if you want to change some stuff around first. then I will do the screen shots since those only take a few minutes to do05:27
Riddellsections are fine05:28
RiddellI may have comments when I get to see the page I suppose05:28
nixternalyup, that is why I am waiting :)05:33
nixternalI am not 100% happy with a couple of sections, towards the bottom, that I would still like to tweak05:34
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Riddellnixternal: but I have no way of seeing it05:43
acidBURNIs there a link page, with all the updates or new features, that feisty is going to have over dapper ?05:43
Jucatoover edgy most probably.05:43
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Riddellnixternal: ah, your bzr archive is updated now05:44
Riddelllet me look at it05:44
nixternalRiddell: ya, I don't get why bzr updates like 15 minutes after a push/commit05:46
acidBURNSo, far the beta, looks the same, as edgy excluding a beta update and bug fixes...05:47
JucatoacidBURN: have you seen the other release pages? from Herd 1 to 5?05:47
acidBURNgive me a link pls05:47
JucatoacidBURN: the Beta page has links to the 5 pages05:48
acidBURNbut, I been using feisty since it became stable, on this machine and edgy on another.... there nothing I can that is WOW05:48
nixternalthat has a link to ....what Jucato said05:48
nixternalacidBURN: the goal for Feisty was to improve on Edgy and concentrate a lot of usability and accessibility05:49
acidBURNnxiternal: okay..05:49
nixternalmore or less, to knock the edginess off a little :)05:50
acidBURNnxiternal: I heard that linsphere linux distro was to supposedly are going to be add ?05:50
JucatoI'd say major areas of improvement would be Adept, the docs (ahem nixternal :D), power management, default style and some look and feel stuff05:50
acidBURNopps linspire distro05:51
jsgotangcodocs? impressive05:51
nixternalthe docs still have more to go05:51
acidBURNnxiternal: so are they going to be add to ubuntu distro ?05:52
nixternalwhat is that?05:52
Jucatonixternal: true, but it's a major change to switch to a topic based help system :)05:52
jsgotangcoadd what?05:52
JucatoI think he means CNR05:52
jsgotangcoits Linspire's problem not ours05:52
acidBURNnxiternal: no, linspire linux, is working with ubuntu and kde...05:53
acidBURNnxiternal: yes05:53
acidBURNnxiternal: read on line.... a month ago05:53
nixternalLinspire is based on Kubuntu now, or their future releases will be based on Kubuntu05:53
jsgotangcoi belive they just released a freespire alpha based on kubuntu05:53
JucatoI think he's referring to Linspire making CNR available to other distros as well05:53
acidBURNso, there depository will be added05:53
Hobbseethen nixternal really can have his pointy-clicky fixation satisfied...05:53
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nixternalHobbsee: quit listening to crimsun, he is evil ;p05:54
jsgotangcoacidBURN: if you mean Kubuntu adding linspire's repos, that's unlikely unless done explicitly05:54
acidBURNnxiternal: was wondering it this would happen with feisty05:54
nixternalacidBURN: from what I have seen I would have to say no05:54
acidBURNjust like added another to the sources.list file05:54
Hobbseenixternal: haha :P05:55
instructorJucato: Still no Adept help though :(05:56
acidBURNheard they are converting over all there apps to run on "ubuntu"05:56
HobbseeacidBURN: you'd really have to ask them about it, not us05:56
nixternalthere is no adept help yet? whatever happened to the Adept Handbook?05:56
jsgotangcoacidBURN: it shouldn't be hard to have CNR in Ubuntu, but its linspire's call to have it available05:56
Jucatoinstructor: manchicken has made some blog posts on how to use Adept (pre-feisty).05:56
instructornixternal: read it05:56
nixternalwhere is jjesse at, I think that is his baby and he was working upstream with that05:56
Jucatonixternal: non-existent yet?05:57
instructorJucato: I know. Are we linking to that when someone presses F1 ?05:57
nixternalno, we used to have an Adept Handbook, so I know it exists05:57
nixternalI just don't know where05:57
jsgotangcoits not on the svn?05:57
instructorIt's not at adept_manager/index.html :)05:57
Jucatoinstructor: of course not. I know what you mean but we have to do with what we have for now... (unfortunately)05:57
nixternaljsgotangco: yup, under feisty/kubuntu/unused05:57
Jucatonixternal: I've never seen an Adept handbook yet :(05:58
nixternalI think that is because some of the info was incorporated into help:/kubuntu/add-applications05:58
Jucatowell, the handbook will probably need to be rewritten for feisty+ anyway...05:58
instructorWHoot :)05:58
jsgotangcothis is actually more of upstream work now05:59
instructorWhy is mawk used instead of gawk?06:00
Jucatoalthough I think some of the feisty changes were made on Kubuntu's end. not really sure about the software sources thing06:00
instructorIsn't mawk unmaintained?06:00
jsgotangcosome of the feisty changes were made on kubuntu's end?06:01
Jucatofor adept I mean06:02
jsgotangcoahh that makes sense06:02
Riddellnixternal: you havn't committed any images06:07
Riddellnixternal: and that desktop image is of edgy06:07
nixternalRiddell: not yet, I wanted to make sure that the page was good to go, and to see if we needed changes06:07
nixternalI have vmware fired up ready for screenys though06:08
Riddellnixternal: the download link isn't closed06:10
Riddellmultimedia: big up that it's k3b 1.006:10
nixternalhaha 'big up'06:10
nixternalRiddell: you need to stop watching MTV06:11
Riddellserver: point out that you can install all the server packages from the DVD (or the ubuntu server CD)06:11
Riddellnixternal: we need a section for the upgrade tool, that's important06:11
Riddellah, there is one06:11
nixternalOK, I had just linked to the wiki page, but I will create a section for it06:11
Riddellwell a screenshot at least06:12
Riddellunder the hood: add that KDE 4 packages are available for the brave06:12
nixternalhaha, will do06:13
Riddellnetworking: add that zeroconf is on by default (also printing too)06:15
Riddella section for improvements to guidance power manager might be nice06:15
Riddelland maybe one for adept06:15
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Riddellsystem management: new wine config available06:16
nixternalahh yes06:16
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nixternalprinter sharing is enabled by default?06:18
nixternaldon't think it is, there is no smb installed ootb06:21
nixternalunless it works over the zeroconf, which I have yet to figure out and understand 100%06:21
jsgotangcoimagine a hundred itunes users in a single network seeing each other's playlists06:23
nixternalya, I get that, but I never seen it work here locally06:23
jsgotangcooh just install a zeroconf browser06:23
Riddellnixternal: it's with ipp06:25
nixternalheh, my laptop is hosed with Zeroconf, that is probably why it doesn't work :)06:25
nixternalCommand '/usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi 1' not found.06:25
Riddellhosed in what way?06:26
nixternalI can't enable it06:27
nixternalI have it enabled with my other 2 machines and they are both sitting in Konqui with zeroconf:/ but the windows are blank06:27
nixternalwhat's the trick?06:27
Riddellit's enabled by default as I say06:27
Riddelland konqi won't show anything unless there's something being advertised that it cares about (http, ftp)06:28
Riddelltry  ssh myothermachine.local06:28
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nixternalis there still cpu frequency scaling with guidance like we reported in the Herd2 release notes?07:00
nixternalI don't have it07:00
Hobbseenixternal: seems to be, here07:01
nixternalI wonder where mine went07:01
sebasThen either your HAL is broken, or you switched it off with a hack07:01
nixternalHAL must be broken, I never switched it off07:02
nixternalmine doesn't show the CPU Frequency anymore either07:02
sebasYes, you would know.07:02
sebaslshal |grep -i cpu07:02
nixternaleverything there looks OK07:03
nixternal info.product = 'Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU        420  @ 1.60GHz'  (string)07:03
nixternalI know it supports scaling because it used to work07:03
sebasNothin more?07:03
nixternaloh ya07:04
nixternalI just didn't want to paste it all in here :)07:04
sebasI've 9 lines on my workstation07:04
nixternalinfo.addons = {'hald-addon-acpi', 'hald-addon-cpufreq'} (string list)07:04
nixternaludi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_CPU0' info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_CPU0'  (string)07:04
nixternal5 total here07:04
yuriyhey sebas, by "make sure you don't get into trouble committing stuff" did you mean some rules for extragear that are more strict than for playground?07:04
nixternal linux.acpi_path = '/proc/acpi/processor/CPU0'  (string)07:04
sebaslshal |g -i cpufreq|wc -l                                                                                                                   19:04:0207:04
sebasyuriy: No, only while moving07:04
sebasIt's all cleared now07:05
sebasYou can commit whatever crap you want ;-)07:05
sebasnixternal: Does that line say "naah, dude. don't have that"?07:05
nixternalI don't see anything like that, just have the number 1 :)07:06
sebasYes, you've got to remove the |wc -l of course :)07:06
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nixternalinfo.addons = {'hald-addon-acpi', 'hald-addon-cpufreq'} (string list)07:06
nixternalthat is all there is07:06
ScottKSame here07:07
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sebasI've two cpus that expose interfaces there07:07
nixternalya, I don't know how to fix it ScottK, so you and I are both out of luck :)07:09
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ScottKNothing like editing a 780MB text file in KATE on a laptop with 256MB of RAM to give the cooling fan a workout and warm up the room...07:17
fdovinguse vim :)07:17
nixternalheh, Feisty is being released tomorrow correct? or am I off like usual?07:18
Hobbseedepending on your definition of tomorrow07:19
nixternalthe 19th (UTC)07:19
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nixternalRiddell: I just pushed an updated version w/o screenys if you are interested in looking at in about 15min :)07:20
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kwwiinixternal: that is the fun part :-)07:21
nixternalthat is the easy part :)07:21
nixternalvmware makes it super quick07:22
Riddellnixternal: I can look at it straight away, it's only launchpad that takes a while to sync07:22
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nixternalRiddell: ahh07:22
Riddell"do not forget to import them photos" s/them/those/  we don't speak Merkin here :)07:22
kwwiinixternal: I made a pretty neat screenshot of digikam already if you want to look at it07:24
Riddellnixternal: winfoss only has firefox and thunderbird on it now07:24
nixternalRiddell: OK, I will fix that07:24
Hobbseelooks good to me07:24
Riddellnixternal: bittorrent: it was pointed out that it's not clear where to get the .torrent files07:24
Riddell"Server install.." typos in that sentence07:25
kwwiinixternal: http://sinecera.de/digikam_small1.xcf07:25
fdovingnixternal: should there be a comma after only? in: Do note that it is highly unstable and is used for development purposes only at this time.07:26
fdovingor something like that..07:26
nixternalfdoving: I believe you are correct, good spot07:26
nixternalkwwii: awesome screeny07:27
kwwiithnx, hope you can use it07:28
nixternalI can07:29
nixternaland I will07:29
firephotokwwii: is that the latest digikam? editor look's different here.07:31
kwwiifirephoto: it is the way I use my digikam - the controller part is at bottom:-)07:32
apokryphoscaullerguiles has had some awesome work going on the digikam editor for the new release07:32
apokryphosa lot more tools for photo manipulation; the red-eye reduction was completely re-written07:33
firephotokwwii: ok, i have some other buttons on the info bar at the bottom too, maybe those can be disabled somewher.e07:33
kwwiifirephoto: yeah, basically that just shows my local config, not the default (and my version looks much nicer in a screenshot)07:34
alleekwwii: hi, is that digikam 0.8.2?  There only filtertags on the right07:38
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firephotoi was just gonna ask that. i can't make those buttons disappear.07:39
kwwiiallee: not sure, I made that screenshot a few weeks ago (and the system was up to date then)07:40
kwwiierm, looking at the file I made it a month ago07:41
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alleekwwii: must be 0.8.2. my browser menu looks different and at the rifht side I've 5 tabs not only 'tag filters'07:43
kwwiiallee: yes, I agee with you now, after looking at the new version07:43
alleekwwii: when you update the screenshot move editor task bar to top for the screenshot.  So it's not too different from what users get ;)07:45
kwwiiallee: dude, I'm not updating any screenshots :-)07:46
alleekwwii: agreed.  Perfect pictures can't be enhanced by definition :)07:47
alleeRiddell: annoucement typo: virutal07:48
nixternalargh, I thought Krita was still installed by default07:49
Riddellallee: poke nixternal07:50
nixternalgot it07:51
ScottKnixternal: Dunno if this rates or not, but for klamav (Universe) the facility to download clamav updates and compile them direct from upstream works (if you have the build-depends installed) and does not mess with the upgrading to a new packaged version.  This is something (keeping up to date with clamav) that people bitch and moan about all the time.07:51
nixternalso what does one use to edit pictures ootb?07:52
instructorScottK: Backed up your DNA as ASCII?07:52
ScottKNot a current copy.07:52
Riddellnixternal: one doesn't currently07:53
nixternalroger, I need to replace the photo management section then07:53
firephotothe digikam editor will do basic stuff.07:53
instructorIs Gwenview getting editing stuff?07:56
alleeinstructor: only via kipi-plugins07:56
fdovingnixternal: are commas before and accepted in english? like: updated applications, and increased usability features...08:00
nixternalin that sentence it would be08:01
fdovingnixternal: if i were you i'd move the comma til after 'features'08:01
nixternalit is seperating 3 topics08:01
fdovingok. :)08:02
nixternalyou know who would know the best though, crimsun ^^ :)08:02
marseillaifdoving: do you have 5 minutes to help me on dpatch ?08:03
fdovingmarseillai: sure.08:03
marseillaiit shouldn't take long08:03
marseillaii've make a package for smplayer08:03
marseillaiand i've had to change Makefile08:03
marseillaiso firstly i've made my change directly in source code08:03
marseillaibecause there was some problem during building the package08:04
marseillaiafter when i knew it was ok i've make a patch to source using dpatch and this tuto : https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/fr/basic-updating.html but i absolutly don't know what to add in debian/rules to apply my patches08:05
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marseillaii've search on net but i found nothing simple only that : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ap-pkg-eg.fr.html and it doesn't help me08:05
fdovingmarseillai: kmenu -> run command '#dpatch' -> run.08:06
fdovingmarseillai: do you use cdbs to make the package?08:06
marseillaino deb_helper some person told me it was a good point to start with deb_helper before CDBS08:07
fdovingok, then the information in #dpatch will help you.08:07
marseillaifdoving: i've allready read man dpatch too08:07
fdovingmarseillai: then you'll need to read it again. it says what to add.08:08
nixternal64bit feisty gives me issues when I have to go into admin mode in system settings and/or kcontrol08:09
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nixternalnew update to release notes (includes some pictures)08:38
nixternalOK, who has a lappy with a working Guidance? I need a couple of screenys (1024x768 if possible) of the main window and the mouse over08:39
Riddellnot I08:40
Riddellsebas might08:41
sebasMy install is everything but default, not sure if you want that.08:42
Riddellnixternal: I see no images, did you bzr add them?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/main/announcements/7.04-release.php08:42
Riddelloh, it's a root thing08:43
Riddellnixternal: could you change it from /images to ../images ?  would make my branch work08:43
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firephotonixternal: http://firephoto.googlepages.com/guidance.png http://firephoto.googlepages.com/guidancemouseover.png that work?08:45
Riddellnixternal: also images below the headings I think08:45
ScottKnixternal: Still need pics?08:47
nixternalRiddell: will do08:48
nixternalScottK: yes08:48
ScottKOK.  I got 1024 X 768.08:48
ScottKWhat do you need?08:48
nixternalI need guidance screenshots of the battery in the kicker, the popup windows from a right click, and the main dialog with a left click08:49
ScottKWill do08:51
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ScottKnixternal: http://www.kitterman.com/kubuntu/08:56
ScottKHow's that?08:57
kwwiiRiddell, all: is this one better? http://sinecera.de/feistyreleasepic1.png08:59
nixternalkwwii: that is Kool :)09:00
nixternalI like the 7.04 standout09:00
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nixternalScottK: almost. Is it possible for you to use the default Kubuntu theme?09:00
nixternalmaybe create a quick second user to doso09:00
Riddellkwwii: funky too09:00
amachuhi every one09:00
nixternalhiya amachu09:01
kwwiibest of all, we can use it in the future as well without much work09:01
kwwiiRiddell: is funky good or bad in your book?09:01
amachuthis is amachu from Ubuntu Tamil Team09:01
ScottKnixternal: Which one is it?09:01
nixternalScottK: I don't know..hahah, let me look really quick09:01
amachuWe have decided to have Ubuntu derivative project for Tamil09:01
kwwiithere is an ubuntu tamil team? that is pretty cool09:01
nixternalWindeco is Crystal09:02
nixternalStyle is Polyester09:02
amachukwwii: yes09:02
nixternalI am gonna have to finish this up during my break at school tonight09:02
amachuand we have decided the base as Kubuntu09:02
Riddellamachu: yay :)09:02
amachuRiddell: so far I have been a translator09:03
kwwiiamachu: great :-)09:03
ScottKnixternal: Which color scheme?09:03
nixternalshould be default09:03
amachuRiddell: and need to do learn a lot b4 commencing the task09:03
amachukwwii: thank you09:03
nixternalkuseven maybe09:03
nixternalScottK: yes, kuseven09:04
kwwiinixternal: I cannot beleive we left that file named that way09:04
nixternalbut those screenys are actually what I want though :) thanks09:04
kwwiiwe'll fix that for gutsy09:04
nixternalkwwii: haha, I was wondering why that was the name09:04
amachuRiddell: kwwii: the other positive aspect is that we are the Upstream contact for Tamil translation for KDE translation too09:04
amachuso we believe we could rock09:04
kwwiinixternal: because it was the seventh version I made for kubuntu :-)09:05
nixternalhaha nice09:05
amachuwith all your support09:05
amachufrom the scratch09:05
amachuas the first phase of our development cycle we would like to learn and document how Kubuntu itself is actually built09:06
amachuand from that customize our own needs...09:06
ScottKnixternal: Same URL09:07
ScottKAll the ones with 2 in the name.09:07
kwwiiamachu: well, I am only an artist so there won't be much I can help you with there :-)09:07
amachuso, what i am expecting to learn is, to where to begin to learn the development process involved in Kubuntu09:08
Riddellamachu: best thing is to start with an existing CD and customise it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.0609:08
ScottKnixternal: Let me know if you need anything else.09:08
amachuRiddell: thats fine..09:08
amachuRiddell: Thank yOu09:08
nixternaloh man I feel like an ass right now. ScottK I forgot to tell ya, the kicker and wallpaper too :(09:08
nixternalfeel free to shoot me!09:09
amachuRiddell: we would like to know the Kubuntu development process..09:09
ScottKNo problem09:09
ScottKJust lemma know what to set it as09:09
nixternalI am sorry for that09:09
nixternalbut hey, you are getting good with screenshots ;)09:09
amachuRiddell: One major change we have identified is to drop open office from our distro09:09
nixternal/usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/kubuntu-panel.png for the kicker09:09
amachuRiddell: and replace it with KOffice09:10
nixternal/usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png for wallpapers09:10
amachuRiddell: also we would like to know how Kubuntu is associated with repositaries09:10
amachuRiddell: and other aspects...09:10
nixternalScottK: I can make it work!09:10
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nixternaldon't worry, I am just going to crop around the popup anyways09:11
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amachuIs there a page to begin like it there for Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment ?09:12
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amachualso URL where this #kubuntu is logged?09:13
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amachuanyone there ??09:15
fdovingamachu: you can find irc logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/09:17
Riddellamachu: sometimes, I'm testing feisty candidates today09:17
Riddellamachu: repositories we upload software to09:18
Riddellamachu: then we have seeds which list what we want on the CDs09:18
Riddellamachu: then germinate is used to make kubuntu-meta09:18
Riddellamachu: then a script uses debootstrap to make the filesystem based on kubuntu-meta and ubuntu-minimal and -standard09:18
amachuRiddell: ok..09:19
amachui can't get a clear picture.. but feels this to be nice beginning09:19
amachuRiddell: Thank You for that..09:19
amachuI will be here at this IRC ..09:20
amachuto seek all your help as when needed09:20
amachuall the best for Kubuntu Feisty Fawn..09:20
amachuThe Dawn of Feisty Fawn..09:20
amachuRiddell: thank u for now, i will go thru the links you had provided09:22
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nixternalalrighty, I am going to go to school now. I will complete this in about 2.5 hours during my class break09:27
Riddellthanks nixternal09:32
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marseillaifdoving: i'm absolutly not able to make my dpatch work! i've add dpatch as build-dep, i have a 00list in debian/patches, change my debian/rules like that but it still not use my patch ...10:01
fdovingmarseillai: can you publish the package somewhere, then i can have a look at it.10:02
marseillaifdoving: ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/smplayer.tar.gz10:03
ScottKmarseillai: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources and particularly the bit about dpatch-edit-patch10:03
elcuco_debian/rules is probably borked10:04
marseillaifdoving: i've put my patch-stamp in configure instead of build-stamp.... is it that ?10:07
marseillaiin debian/rules ....10:07
marseillaisorry for disturbing if it is that10:07
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fdovinggah.. i hate that change to dpkg-source10:11
fdovingdpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address10:11
marseillaifdoving: repaired10:12
fdovingmarseillai: did you get your patch to apply?10:12
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fdovingi just changed the versionnumber to 'ubu1' instead of 'ubuntu1'10:12
marseillaijust the problem of ubuntu-mail ...10:12
marseillaiwhy ?10:12
fdovingi just hate the change in dpkg-source, it's totaly stupid to include that. imho.10:12
fdovingi can package stuff for ubuntu with any e-mail if i want to, there are no rules about that that i'm aware of. you don't even have to be a member to make a changelog entry.10:13
marseillaifdoving: forgot it10:14
marseillaimy mistake for the patch10:14
fdovingi got your patch to work though :)10:14
fdovingthe bug is in /usr/bin/dpkg-source10:14
fdovingnot in your package :)10:14
=== marseillai happy to hear that! :)
fdovingyour package looks good, i'll try to explain what you need to change.10:15
fdovingmarseillai: open debian/rules10:16
marseillaifdoving: i've add patch-stamp after build-stamp instead of configure and it works... :) i still have this error :10:16
marseillaimake[2] : Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/smplayer-0.3.27/src'10:16
marseillaimake[2] : *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.10:16
marseillaibut now it works10:16
fdovingmarseillai: does it unpatch and cleanup too?10:17
marseillaifdoving: but i'm listening to you every advice is good in my situation10:17
marseillaiyes i think but not sur of this10:17
fdovingmarseillai: i changed it to look like this:10:18
fdovingmarseillai: 'configure: build-stamp configure-stamp' means the command 'debian/rules configure' depends on 'debian/rules build-stamp' and 'debian/rules configure-stamp'10:19
fdovingmarseillai: so making configure-stamp depend on patch, we get the source patched.10:20
marseillaii'm reading you slowly but i'm reading you10:20
fdovingmarseillai: also, for clean, we make 'debian/rules clean' depend on unpatch and clean-unpatched, that'll unpatch and clean with the commands in clean-unpatched:10:21
marseillaifdoving: can i show you the one i use currently, and could you tell me the differences between yours ?10:21
marseillaiand if it is good ?10:21
fdovingbrb. 5 min. kid -> bed.10:22
marseillaifdoving: http://rafb.net/p/rCL8pi61.html10:22
marseillaino problem10:22
fdovingmarseillai: ok the difference is that your package is configured before the patch is applied. the patch is only applied before a build. you can read 'man dpatch.make'. it says you need to add the patch prerequisite to a target that does not depend on another.10:30
fdovingmarseillai: you also depend on patch-stamp which can be configured to not work. via the DPATCH_STAMPFN environment variable. you should use 'patch'10:31
fdovingand you should re-write the clean targets as i did, and 'man dpatch.make' says.10:32
marseillaifdoving: man dpatch was really not simple to understand for me! :$10:33
fdovingdpatch isn't that simple.10:33
marseillaii see10:33
fdovingi usually recommend cdbs, and use it myself.10:33
marseillaifdoving: my next package will be for me time to learn cdbs :)10:33
fdovingbut debhelper is nice if you want to learn makefile-syntax :)10:33
marseillaiso basket note time .....10:37
=== ScottK likes cdbs too. It's magic.
=== marseillai don't like it currently because there are no good (simple and detailed) tuto for it on web, or i don't find them
ScottKIt doesn't need much.10:39
ScottKFind a cdbs packaged package similar to yours and copy.  Go from there.10:39
marseillaifdoving: is it normal that my package doesn't depend on mplayer ???10:49
fdovingmarseillai: you would need to add that depend yourself.10:49
fdovingif it is unusable without it.10:49
marseillaiit is10:49
fdovingyou could however just recommend it.10:49
marseillaii thought it will be add automatically10:50
marseillaigrrrrrrrrrr thought i had finish10:50
fdovingby default adept, synaptic and aptitude should should now install recommends, but allow them to be removed.10:50
fdovingit can be usefull for people to be allowed to compile their own mplayer, for example.10:50
fdovingthat's up to you really.10:50
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nixternalOK, I skipped the first class. time to make the donuts11:15
ScottKnixternal: I'm here for roughly another 30 minutes if you need more screen shots.11:16
nixternalScottK: do you have a stock Windows XP box? :)11:21
=== ScottK doesn't have Windows XP at all.
nixternalcrimsun does11:21
ScottKWindows 2K on my wife's PC is the newest I have (she's dual booting).11:21
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nixternalI can get the screenshot later for that anyways11:22
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