[12:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks
[12:21] <nixternal> Riddell: this rocks :) I did not know that about Bazaar, you know what it just went up 1 knotch on my "this is great" list
[12:22] <Riddell> ScottK: congratulations
[12:22] <nixternal> I still have a couple of sections left, about 30 minutes to an hour total, but I would like you to look it over and see if you like the direction of it
[12:22] <Riddell> nixternal: it's really the killer feature
[12:22] <nixternal> yes it is
[12:22] <nixternal> this is great
[12:22] <ScottK> Thanks
[12:22] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm about to go to bed I'm afraid, it'll need to be tomorrow
[12:22] <nixternal> that's fine, it will be done by then
[12:22] <jbruckman> anyone know how to get the nvidia drivers working on feisty?
[12:22] <nixternal> and if you need any edits you can tell me in the morning
[12:23] <nixternal> jbruckman: #kubuntu
[12:23] <nixternal> or #ubuntu+1
[12:23] <jbruckman> i'm on kubuntu
[12:23] <nixternal> jbruckman: talk to Freddy, he is at the same school as you
[12:23] <jbruckman> yeah, he is. he's sleeping
[12:23] <jbruckman> :-p
[12:23] <nixternal> hahaha
[12:24] <nixternal> jbruckman: this is the dev channel, so you won't get answers here unless it is development related
[12:24] <nixternal> jbruckman: #ubuntu-chicago man! Freddy hasn't taught you guys yet ey
[12:24] <jbruckman> ok. the reason i asked here though, is that I'm aware of a bunch of bugs out there realted to it
[12:24] <jbruckman> and was oping to catch the guy looking at them. :-p
[12:24] <nixternal> Freddy is awake
[12:24] <jbruckman> hoping*
[12:24] <nixternal> he is talking ot me on IRC
[12:24] <jbruckman> damn him.
[12:24] <jbruckman> i'm going downstairs.
[12:24] <jbruckman> lol
[12:25] <nixternal> haha
[12:25] <jbruckman> afk
[12:25] <nixternal> oh wait, he is in the shower, so be careful ;p
[12:25] <nixternal> fo0d time
[12:26] <jbruckman> yeah, found that out....
[12:40] <Tm_T> nixternal: http://qdb.us/79712
[12:41] <Tm_T> nixternal: can I have that?
[01:00] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:00] <nixternal> I wonder who in the heck posted that
[01:12] <Tm_T> nixternal: so, can I get it?
[01:13] <nixternal> lemme email it to ya :)
[01:14] <nixternal> lemme just be the first to say, you aren't missing much with Office 2007. It is actually very confusing if you are used to the old layout
[01:14] <Tm_T> nixternal: well not used at all, I'm interested it as education purposes
[01:38] <Tm_T> rhel and fedora, with centos :o
[01:38] <Tm_T> lnxkde: you're in nice mix of distros
[02:31] <ryanakca> hmm... any pyqt4 genius' around here?
[02:32] <nixternal> what tis it be
[02:32] <nixternal> I have been messing around with PyQt, I need to know what to look out for ;p
[03:06] <ryanakca> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:06] <ryanakca>   File "kcipher.py", line 10, in <module>
[03:06] <ryanakca>     class KCipherApplication(QApplication):
[03:06] <ryanakca> NameError: name 'QApplication' is not defined
[03:06] <ryanakca> nixternal: ^^
[03:12] <nixternal> you have the code posted anywhere?
[03:13] <nixternal> app = appname.QApplication (sys.argv)
[03:13] <nixternal> isn't that how you define with Python?
[03:28] <jjesse> evening nixternal
[03:28] <nixternal> evening to you as well jjesse
[03:28] <jjesse> nixternal: hey i might be in chicago for training the 2nd week of may
[03:29] <nixternal> well we will have to get together if you make it out
[03:29] <nixternal> in the City?
[03:29] <jjesse> yeah in the city
[03:29] <nixternal> eww, but OK ;p
[03:29] <jjesse> that bad eh?
[03:30] <nixternal> I am not a big fan of the city, but it is OK to visit every now and then
[03:30] <jjesse> i'll be visiting in training all week, looking up the place
[03:35] <jjesse> sorry went afk for a bit
[03:35] <nixternal> hehe
[03:35] <jjesse> i'm sick of dealing w/ hotel internet
[03:35] <jjesse> it sucks sometime, makes you "sign in" every 24 hours
[03:38] <nixternal> it seems vmware and 64bit feisty will never work, unless I do player
[03:38] <jjesse> that's a bummer
[03:39] <jjesse> nixternal: class will be at
[03:39] <jjesse> Chicago, IL (14-May-2007 - 18-May-2007)
[03:39] <jjesse> 230 W. Monroe, Ste 550
[03:40] <nixternal> right by my old job
[03:41] <ryanakca> nixternal: yep, just a sec, I'll push
[03:42] <ryanakca> nixternal: https://launchpad.net/kcipher  ... trunk -> Browse code
[03:42] <ryanakca> revision 15
[03:43] <ryanakca> nixternal: vmware on amd64 feisty works fine here...
[03:44] <jjesse> i think it is nixternal's fault :)
[03:44] <ryanakca> I based it on http://vizzzion.org/?id=pyqt#designer
[03:44] <nixternal> ryanakca: player, workstation or server?
[03:45] <ryanakca> hmm... dunno
[03:45] <ryanakca> I use vmware-server-console
[03:46] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:47] <nixternal> I will try that then
[03:47] <nixternal> I didn't see a 64bit download for it
[04:05] <ryanakca> anywais, I'm heading to bed, good luck
[05:01] <lnxkde> Tm_T, :p
[05:01] <lnxkde> Tm_T, /me wants to get to know RH and RH based projects better (they are the standart in Linux on US)
[06:27] <nixternal> vmware will not build, the any-any patch doesn't work, the howtos in the forums suck, the wiki page is horrible
[06:27] <nixternal> is this a 64bit issue with vmware server
[08:53] <_StefanS_> mornings!
[08:54] <Tm_T> g'morgn
[01:04] <Riddell> sebas: guidance is first non c++ programme in SVN no?  we should make some noise about that
[01:05] <sebas> Riddell: You know, I'm not that kind of a PR guy ;-)
[01:07] <sebas> But I think you're right. Keymessage being: "KDE is not C++ only, if you want to code in other languages, you're welcome"
[01:07] <sebas> With some freedom bits punning Mono maybe
[01:07] <Riddell> ? mono is free
[01:07] <sebas> Python is more free
[01:08] <sebas> As in the implementation is not being prescribed by 'The Evil'
[01:08] <Riddell> it's not controlled by a company right enough
[01:08] <Riddell> yes
[01:08] <sebas> That's right, it doesn't really *feel* free either. But that discussion is nothing we want, actually.
[01:08] <sebas> There are enough clueless dorks hanging around on the dot already ;-)
[01:10] <Riddell> you recon it's dot material?
[01:10] <sebas> Yes, what else?
[01:10] <Riddell> blogs, commit-digest
[01:10] <Riddell> but if you say it's dot, lets do it
[01:10] <sebas> We're trying to push non-C++ stuff for some time already, that's generally agreed on, I think
[01:11] <sebas> Scripting languages can be first class citizens (though not suited for every single use case)
[01:11] <Riddell> _Sime: fancy giving us a quote on why python and not c++?  all good stories need a quote
[01:11] <sebas> +1
[01:11] <Riddell> ooh, don't call python a scripting language, you'll have all the python programmers after you
[01:12] <sebas> Yes, we'd put it positive, just name it first class citizen.
[01:12] <apokryphos> heh, so true
[01:12] <sebas> And for PCness, mention that Ruby is fine as well =)
[01:12] <apokryphos> but not perl ;-)
[01:12] <Riddell> apokryphos: did I spot you gaining membership yesterday?
[01:13] <apokryphos> Riddell: yeah 8)
[01:13] <sebas> Yes, Perl is obviously some different beast ;-)
[01:13] <Riddell> perl is needed for debconf, but not much else
[01:14] <apokryphos> Riddell: wasn't sure whether to apply as a Kubuntu member, but I figured most of my activities are on general Ubuntu IRC
[01:14] <apokryphos> even though I'd never use ubuntu if it didn't have kde :P
[01:14] <Riddell> pop along to the next kubuntu meeting and we'll grill you too :)
[01:15] <Riddell> we should organise a meeting for some time before UDS
[01:15] <apokryphos> you mean so my head can grow even larger? =)
[01:16] <sebas> Wasn't there an IRC meeting while I was in Oslo?
[01:16] <sebas> NEver heard anything after that though
[01:16] <Riddell> for UDS attendees yes
[01:16] <sebas> Anything I should know?
[01:18] <Riddell> I thought I e-mailed you about it
[01:18] <Riddell> it was something like..
[01:18] <Riddell> 1) is your travel booked
[01:18] <Riddell> 2) register yourself on launchpad for the sprint
[01:18] <Riddell> 3) any comments on the sessions I've scheduled
[01:18] <Riddell> 4) any questions
[01:19] <sebas> Can't find that email, and don't remember it. Can you re-send it if you still have it?
[01:20] <Riddell> didn't you show up late anyway and I poked you with those things?
[01:21] <sebas> Hm, don't think so.
[01:21] <sebas> I was really offline the whole day + night
[01:23] <apokryphos> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+mugshots heh, the +mugshots thing is still very cool 8)
[01:25] <Riddell> sebas: dunno, can't find e-mail, but that's about all it said
[01:25] <sebas> Hm, ok. I'll try to play detective on launchpad for a bit then.
[01:27] <marseillai_> when i make dh_make -e email@domain dh_make use only my firstname so lintian is not happy. How can i change it and make dh_make use all my name ?
[01:27] <fdoving> apokryphos: nice, mugshots :)
[01:27] <apokryphos> yeah
[01:27] <fdoving> i need to improve mine.
[01:27] <Riddell> sebas: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/+attend
[01:29] <sebas> Jup, done that already.
[01:30] <sebas> Is there already a list with proposed specs for Kubuntu for Sevilla?
[01:30] <Riddell> not public
[01:30] <Riddell> here:
[01:30] <Riddell> Adept User Notifications
[01:30] <Riddell> Adept Cdrom Upgrades
[01:30] <Riddell> Kubuntu Accessibilty Keyboard
[01:30] <Riddell> Kubuntu Kiosktool
[01:30] <Riddell> Kubuntu Feisty+1 KDE 4 Plan
[01:30] <Riddell> Kubuntu System Settings for KDE 4
[01:30] <Riddell> Kubuntu Guidance for KDE 4
[01:30] <Riddell> Kubuntu Restricted Manager
[01:30] <Riddell> Kubuntu Feisty+1 Adept Plan
[01:30] <Riddell> Kubuntu KDE Bluetooth
[01:31] <Riddell> Kubuntu Remove Media Safely
[01:31] <Riddell> Edubuntu KDE
[01:31] <Riddell> Kubuntu Website
[01:31] <Riddell> Kubuntu Default Filemanager
[01:31] <Riddell> Kubuntu and meduxa discussion
[01:31] <Riddell> meduxa and malone
[01:31] <sebas> When will those be made public? Am I doing something wrong, I only see one blueprint ("composite by default")
[01:34] <Riddell> sebas: not sure what the plan is, for some reason they're not using launchpad for the specs (yet)
[01:35] <sebas> Hm, ok.
[01:41] <Saied> all, Hi
[01:42] <Saied> I have problem with my kde-i18n-fa package
[01:43] <Saied> I have upgraded to kubuntu feisty with KDE 3.5.6 and I have installed kde-i18n-fa package for gui translation to persian
[01:45] <Saied> all things are OK except showing of some characters in persian language is wrong specially  (h in persian) appears as a square
[01:47] <Riddell> could be a fonts issue or could be a qt issue
[01:47] <Riddell> does the character appear in gnome applications?
[01:52] <kwwii_> Riddell: http://sinecera.de/feistyreleasepic.png
[01:52] <kwwii_> let me know what you think
[01:52] <Riddell> kwwii_: funky
[01:52] <sebas> kwwii_: I don't really like the turqouise
[01:53] <sebas> It also looks a bit rough
[01:53] <sebas> (I'll shut up about green right now ;-))
[01:55] <fdoving> why don't we provide the akode engine for amarok?
[01:56] <Riddell> Saied: 12:47 < Riddell> could be a fonts issue or could be a qt issue12:47 < Riddell> does the character appear in gnome applications?
[02:01] <Saied> Riddell: thanks for your attention. i try to upload a screenshot
[02:02] <Saied> Riddell: i didn't try with Gnome but i think this problem is specific to KDE :(
[02:23] <Saied> Riddell: this is screenshot. see squares in menu items: http://i19.tinypic.com/4dpypnp.png
[02:25] <Riddell> mm, nasty
[02:25] <Riddell> as I say you need to test it in gnome so we can find out where the problem is
[02:25] <Riddell> wouldn't surprise me if it was in qt 3, chinese has had issues too
[02:26] <Saied> Riddell: by which package i can install all Gnome packages? apt-get install gnome ?
[02:27] <fdoving> ubuntu-desktop will give you the full ubuntu desktop.
[02:28] <Saied> fdoving: thanks
[02:29] <Riddell> Saied: quicker just to install say gedit and test one app
[02:31] <Saied> Riddell: need to install language-pack-gnome-fa ? which package provide Gnome translation to persian?
[02:32] <Riddell> Saied: could do, I was thinking you could just type the character into gedit
[02:33] <ScottK> Riddell: I've started a spec for kmail with S/MIME by default.  Nothing I need help with, but it'd be nice for it to be on a list somewhere.
[02:33] <Saied> Riddell: currently i have no problem with typing in KDE . just showing some characters specially 
[02:33] <Riddell> Saied: so if you type that character it shows ok?
[02:34] <Saied> Riddell: maybe in can be solved by changing font
[02:34] <Saied> Riddell: yes. it shows OK
[02:38] <Riddell> weird
[03:01] <Jucato> wow I just came in a bit before Hobbsee? :D
[03:01] <raphink> yes Jucato, as a matter of fact
[03:01] <Jucato> hi raphink :)
[03:02] <Jucato> feisty release will push through on the 19th? (I've been out of the loop for a few days)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato!
[03:02] <raphink> hi Jucato  && Hobbsee
[03:02] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: last i knew, yes
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hi raphink
[03:02] <raphink> yes Jucato (been out of the loop for a few months)
[03:02] <jsgotangco> yes!
[03:03] <jsgotangco> grab CDs while its hot!
[03:03] <Jucato> ooooh! hi jsgotangco!!!
[03:03] <raphink> hi jsgotangco
[03:03] <jsgotangco> hi raphink!
[03:06] <ScottK> Good evening Hobbsee.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> hi ScottK
[03:07] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:08] <Jucato> congrats
[03:09] <ScottK> Thanks
[03:22] <Riddell> nixternal: where can I find your kubuntu-website branch?
[03:22] <Riddell> https://code.launchpad.net/~nixternal/kubuntu-website/main hasn't been updated
[03:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose getting a new version of kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts into feisty is something like impossible?
[03:26] <Jucato> apachelogger: are those the stuff like gg: or uwikis: in Konqueror?
[03:26] <apachelogger> yep
[03:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[03:26] <Riddell> why?
[03:26] <asyd> \_o<
[03:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug search is kind of broken
[03:27] <apachelogger> and package search is doing a query for dapper
[03:27] <Jucato> (and there is not shortcut for searching help.ubuntu.com/community, only for wiki.ubuntu.com)
[03:28] <Riddell> so it is
[03:28] <Riddell> ubug works for me with a bug number
[03:28] <apachelogger> but who knows the precise bug number? ;-)
[03:28] <apachelogger> Jucato: gotta add one, as it's not going into feisty anyway :)
[03:29] <Jucato> :)
[03:29] <Riddell> I get numbers given to me all the time for bugs
[03:30] <apachelogger> yeah, but not if one searches for a term, and a term based search seems pretty obvious to me
[03:31] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=\\{@}
[03:31] <apachelogger> works for terms AND numbers
[03:33] <Jucato> maybe we can use ubugno for bug number search and ubugft for full text (following the default KDE ones)?
[03:39] <apachelogger> well
[03:39] <apachelogger> ubug will work for both
[03:39] <apachelogger> current keys: ubug,ubugno,ubugft,lpbug,lpbugno,lpbugft
[03:50] <Riddell> sebas: fancy updating http://extragear.kde.org/ for guidance?
[03:53] <sebas> Riddell: Yes.
[03:53] <apachelogger> hm
[03:54] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i like the order plugin for rbot, btw
[03:54] <Hobbsee> (i think you wrote it)
[03:54] <sebas> apachelogger: If you want things changed but lack the karma to commit, just send me the patch
[03:55] <apachelogger> sebas: got www karma when I was working on the kde brilliant buttons, thanks anyway :)
[03:55] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: yeah, I'm glad you like it :D
[03:56] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:56] <sebas> apachelogger: All the better =)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: which it was done for supybot, though :P
[03:57] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: hm?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: sorry, s/which/wish/
[03:57] <apachelogger> well
[03:58] <apachelogger> ruby FTW :P
[04:01] <manchicken_> Ruby's parser is too buggy ;)
[04:07] <bddebian> heya
[04:07] <Tm_T> oh noes it's bddebian, hiiideee!!!
[04:07] <Hobbsee> EVERYBODY RUUUUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:07] <bddebian> Hi Tm_T
[04:08] <Tm_T> el panico!
[04:08] <Tm_T> yes, I need some sleep
[04:20] <instructor> How come we use mawk instead of gawk?
[04:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: shall I upload the new kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts to revu or just send a debdiff?
[04:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: revu
[04:32] <apachelogger> k
[04:42] <apokryphos> hm, is there no single repository that would have all the latest kde4 snapshots?
[04:42] <apokryphos> making a techbase page for kde4 distribution packages
[04:43] <Riddell> no
[04:44] <apokryphos> ok, I'll just try to keep the page updated again
[04:45] <apokryphos> what's the advantage to just not having a single repo for it though?
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> when did kdm start overwriting the xorg.conf? I've got a bunch of non working systems because it wants to change the bus ID of these crappy SIS cards?
[04:45] <Riddell> kdm won't
[04:45] <Riddell> /etc/init.d/kde-guidance might
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> ah, okay. I'll check that.
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> yeah, that must be it, thanks.
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> hehe, thought it was kdm because I edited the kdm outside the chroot for the nfs booting machines.
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> yep, that was it - thanks Riddell
[04:50] <sebas> Riddell: extragear page is updated
[05:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4833
[05:21] <_Sime> Riddell: I didn't realise it was such a big event. It is worth noting that it currently runs on KDE 3, not 4. Port will be later.
[05:25] <Riddell> good point
[05:26] <Riddell> fancy coming up with a quote for us on why pykde is the goodness?
[05:26] <nixternal> Riddell: I don't know what the problem was there, I recreated the branch and just committed revision 42
[05:26] <nixternal> so give it a few and check it out
[05:27] <nixternal> I am waiting to see if you like those sections, and if you want to change some stuff around first. then I will do the screen shots since those only take a few minutes to do
[05:28] <Riddell> sections are fine
[05:28] <Riddell> I may have comments when I get to see the page I suppose
[05:33] <nixternal> yup, that is why I am waiting :)
[05:34] <nixternal> I am not 100% happy with a couple of sections, towards the bottom, that I would still like to tweak
[05:43] <Riddell> nixternal: but I have no way of seeing it
[05:43] <acidBURN> Is there a link page, with all the updates or new features, that feisty is going to have over dapper ?
[05:43] <Jucato> over edgy most probably.
[05:44] <Riddell> nixternal: ah, your bzr archive is updated now
[05:44] <Riddell> let me look at it
[05:46] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, I don't get why bzr updates like 15 minutes after a push/commit
[05:47] <acidBURN> So, far the beta, looks the same, as edgy excluding a beta update and bug fixes...
[05:47] <Jucato> acidBURN: have you seen the other release pages? from Herd 1 to 5?
[05:47] <acidBURN> give me a link pls
[05:48] <Jucato> acidBURN: the Beta page has links to the 5 pages
[05:48] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta/Kubuntu
[05:48] <acidBURN> but, I been using feisty since it became stable, on this machine and edgy on another.... there nothing I can that is WOW
[05:48] <nixternal> that has a link to ....what Jucato said
[05:49] <nixternal> acidBURN: the goal for Feisty was to improve on Edgy and concentrate a lot of usability and accessibility
[05:49] <nixternal> s/of/on
[05:49] <acidBURN> nxiternal: okay..
[05:50] <nixternal> more or less, to knock the edginess off a little :)
[05:50] <acidBURN> nxiternal: I heard that linsphere linux distro was to supposedly are going to be add ?
[05:50] <Jucato> I'd say major areas of improvement would be Adept, the docs (ahem nixternal :D), power management, default style and some look and feel stuff
[05:51] <acidBURN> opps linspire distro
[05:51] <jsgotangco> docs? impressive
[05:51] <nixternal> the docs still have more to go
[05:52] <acidBURN> nxiternal: so are they going to be add to ubuntu distro ?
[05:52] <nixternal> what is that?
[05:52] <Jucato> nixternal: true, but it's a major change to switch to a topic based help system :)
[05:52] <jsgotangco> add what?
[05:52] <Jucato> I think he means CNR
[05:52] <jsgotangco> its Linspire's problem not ours
[05:52] <nixternal> hehe
[05:52] <nixternal> Click-n-Reformat
[05:52] <nixternal> ;p
[05:53] <acidBURN> nxiternal: no, linspire linux, is working with ubuntu and kde...
[05:53] <Jucato> click-n-run-away?
[05:53] <acidBURN> nxiternal: yes
[05:53] <acidBURN> nxiternal: read on line.... a month ago
[05:53] <nixternal> Linspire is based on Kubuntu now, or their future releases will be based on Kubuntu
[05:53] <acidBURN> yes
[05:53] <jsgotangco> i belive they just released a freespire alpha based on kubuntu
[05:53] <Jucato> I think he's referring to Linspire making CNR available to other distros as well
[05:53] <acidBURN> so, there depository will be added
[05:53] <nixternal> cool
[05:53] <Hobbsee> then nixternal really can have his pointy-clicky fixation satisfied...
[05:54] <nixternal> d'oh
[05:54] <nixternal> Hobbsee: quit listening to crimsun, he is evil ;p
[05:54] <jsgotangco> acidBURN: if you mean Kubuntu adding linspire's repos, that's unlikely unless done explicitly
[05:54] <acidBURN> nxiternal: was wondering it this would happen with feisty
[05:54] <nixternal> acidBURN: from what I have seen I would have to say no
[05:54] <acidBURN> just like added another to the sources.list file
[05:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: haha :P
[05:55] <nixternal> hehe
[05:56] <instructor> Jucato: Still no Adept help though :(
[05:56] <acidBURN> heard they are converting over all there apps to run on "ubuntu"
[05:56] <Hobbsee> acidBURN: you'd really have to ask them about it, not us
[05:56] <nixternal> there is no adept help yet? whatever happened to the Adept Handbook?
[05:56] <jsgotangco> acidBURN: it shouldn't be hard to have CNR in Ubuntu, but its linspire's call to have it available
[05:56] <Jucato> instructor: manchicken has made some blog posts on how to use Adept (pre-feisty).
[05:56] <instructor> nixternal: read it
[05:56] <nixternal> where is jjesse at, I think that is his baby and he was working upstream with that
[05:57] <Jucato> nixternal: non-existent yet?
[05:57] <instructor> Jucato: I know. Are we linking to that when someone presses F1 ?
[05:57] <nixternal> no, we used to have an Adept Handbook, so I know it exists
[05:57] <nixternal> I just don't know where
[05:57] <jsgotangco> its not on the svn?
[05:57] <instructor> It's not at adept_manager/index.html :)
[05:57] <Jucato> instructor: of course not. I know what you mean but we have to do with what we have for now... (unfortunately)
[05:57] <nixternal> jsgotangco: yup, under feisty/kubuntu/unused
[05:58] <Jucato> nixternal: I've never seen an Adept handbook yet :(
[05:58] <nixternal> I think that is because some of the info was incorporated into help:/kubuntu/add-applications
[05:58] <Jucato> well, the handbook will probably need to be rewritten for feisty+ anyway...
[05:58] <instructor> WHoot :)
[05:59] <jsgotangco> this is actually more of upstream work now
[06:00] <instructor> Why is mawk used instead of gawk?
[06:00] <Jucato> although I think some of the feisty changes were made on Kubuntu's end. not really sure about the software sources thing
[06:00] <instructor> Isn't mawk unmaintained?
[06:01] <jsgotangco> some of the feisty changes were made on kubuntu's end?
[06:02] <Jucato> for adept I mean
[06:02] <jsgotangco> ahh that makes sense
[06:07] <Riddell> nixternal: you havn't committed any images
[06:07] <Riddell> nixternal: and that desktop image is of edgy
[06:07] <nixternal> Riddell: not yet, I wanted to make sure that the page was good to go, and to see if we needed changes
[06:08] <nixternal> I have vmware fired up ready for screenys though
[06:10] <Riddell> nixternal: the download link isn't closed
[06:10] <Riddell> multimedia: big up that it's k3b 1.0
[06:10] <nixternal> roger
[06:10] <nixternal> haha 'big up'
[06:11] <nixternal> Riddell: you need to stop watching MTV
[06:11] <Riddell> server: point out that you can install all the server packages from the DVD (or the ubuntu server CD)
[06:11] <nixternal> roger
[06:11] <Riddell> nixternal: we need a section for the upgrade tool, that's important
[06:11] <Riddell> ah, there is one
[06:11] <nixternal> OK, I had just linked to the wiki page, but I will create a section for it
[06:12] <Riddell> well a screenshot at least
[06:12] <nixternal> roger
[06:12] <Riddell> under the hood: add that KDE 4 packages are available for the brave
[06:13] <nixternal> haha, will do
[06:15] <Riddell> networking: add that zeroconf is on by default (also printing too)
[06:15] <Riddell> a section for improvements to guidance power manager might be nice
[06:15] <Riddell> and maybe one for adept
[06:15] <nixternal> gotcha
[06:16] <Riddell> system management: new wine config available
[06:16] <nixternal> ahh yes
[06:18] <nixternal> printer sharing is enabled by default?
[06:21] <nixternal> don't think it is, there is no smb installed ootb
[06:21] <nixternal> unless it works over the zeroconf, which I have yet to figure out and understand 100%
[06:23] <jsgotangco> imagine a hundred itunes users in a single network seeing each other's playlists
[06:23] <nixternal> ya, I get that, but I never seen it work here locally
[06:23] <jsgotangco> oh just install a zeroconf browser
[06:25] <Riddell> nixternal: it's with ipp
[06:25] <nixternal> heh, my laptop is hosed with Zeroconf, that is probably why it doesn't work :)
[06:25] <nixternal> Command '/usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi 1' not found.
[06:26] <Riddell> hosed in what way?
[06:27] <nixternal> I can't enable it
[06:27] <nixternal> I have it enabled with my other 2 machines and they are both sitting in Konqui with zeroconf:/ but the windows are blank
[06:27] <nixternal> what's the trick?
[06:27] <Riddell> it's enabled by default as I say
[06:28] <Riddell> and konqi won't show anything unless there's something being advertised that it cares about (http, ftp)
[06:28] <Riddell> try  ssh myothermachine.local
[06:28] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:00] <nixternal> is there still cpu frequency scaling with guidance like we reported in the Herd2 release notes?
[07:00] <nixternal> I don't have it
[07:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: seems to be, here
[07:01] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:01] <nixternal> I wonder where mine went
[07:01] <sebas> Then either your HAL is broken, or you switched it off with a hack
[07:02] <nixternal> HAL must be broken, I never switched it off
[07:02] <nixternal> mine doesn't show the CPU Frequency anymore either
[07:02] <sebas> Yes, you would know.
[07:02] <sebas> lshal |grep -i cpu
[07:03] <nixternal> everything there looks OK
[07:03] <nixternal>  info.product = 'Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU        420  @ 1.60GHz'  (string)
[07:03] <nixternal> I know it supports scaling because it used to work
[07:03] <sebas> Nothin more?
[07:04] <nixternal> oh ya
[07:04] <nixternal> I just didn't want to paste it all in here :)
[07:04] <sebas> I've 9 lines on my workstation
[07:04] <nixternal> info.addons = {'hald-addon-acpi', 'hald-addon-cpufreq'} (string list)
[07:04] <nixternal> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_CPU0' info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_CPU0'  (string)
[07:04] <nixternal> 5 total here
[07:04] <yuriy> hey sebas, by "make sure you don't get into trouble committing stuff" did you mean some rules for extragear that are more strict than for playground?
[07:04] <nixternal>  linux.acpi_path = '/proc/acpi/processor/CPU0'  (string)
[07:04] <sebas> lshal |g -i cpufreq|wc -l                                                                                                                   19:04:02
[07:04] <sebas> 3
[07:04] <sebas> ?
[07:04] <sebas> yuriy: No, only while moving
[07:05] <sebas> It's all cleared now
[07:05] <nixternal> 1
[07:05] <sebas> You can commit whatever crap you want ;-)
[07:05] <sebas> nixternal: Does that line say "naah, dude. don't have that"?
[07:06] <nixternal> I don't see anything like that, just have the number 1 :)
[07:06] <sebas> Yes, you've got to remove the |wc -l of course :)
[07:06] <nixternal> info.addons = {'hald-addon-acpi', 'hald-addon-cpufreq'} (string list)
[07:06] <nixternal> that is all there is
[07:07] <ScottK> Same here
[07:07] <sebas> I've two cpus that expose interfaces there
[07:09] <nixternal> ya, I don't know how to fix it ScottK, so you and I are both out of luck :)
[07:10] <nixternal> lol
[07:17] <ScottK> Nothing like editing a 780MB text file in KATE on a laptop with 256MB of RAM to give the cooling fan a workout and warm up the room...
[07:17] <fdoving> use vim :)
[07:18] <nixternal> heh, Feisty is being released tomorrow correct? or am I off like usual?
[07:19] <Hobbsee> correct
[07:19] <Hobbsee> depending on your definition of tomorrow
[07:19] <nixternal> true
[07:19] <nixternal> the 19th (UTC)
[07:19] <Riddell> yes
[07:20] <nixternal> Riddell: I just pushed an updated version w/o screenys if you are interested in looking at in about 15min :)
[07:21] <kwwii> nixternal: that is the fun part :-)
[07:21] <nixternal> that is the easy part :)
[07:22] <nixternal> vmware makes it super quick
[07:22] <Riddell> nixternal: I can look at it straight away, it's only launchpad that takes a while to sync
[07:22] <nixternal> Riddell: ahh
[07:22] <Riddell> "do not forget to import them photos" s/them/those/  we don't speak Merkin here :)
[07:23] <nixternal> hahahaha
[07:24] <kwwii> nixternal: I made a pretty neat screenshot of digikam already if you want to look at it
[07:24] <nixternal> yes
[07:24] <Riddell> nixternal: winfoss only has firefox and thunderbird on it now
[07:24] <nixternal> Riddell: OK, I will fix that
[07:24] <Hobbsee> looks good to me
[07:24] <Riddell> nixternal: bittorrent: it was pointed out that it's not clear where to get the .torrent files
[07:25] <nixternal> k
[07:25] <Riddell> "Server install.." typos in that sentence
[07:25] <kwwii> nixternal: http://sinecera.de/digikam_small1.xcf
[07:26] <fdoving> nixternal: should there be a comma after only? in: Do note that it is highly unstable and is used for development purposes only at this time.
[07:26] <fdoving> or something like that..
[07:26] <nixternal> fdoving: I believe you are correct, good spot
[07:27] <nixternal> kwwii: awesome screeny
[07:28] <kwwii> thnx, hope you can use it
[07:29] <nixternal> I can
[07:29] <nixternal> and I will
[07:31] <firephoto> kwwii: is that the latest digikam? editor look's different here.
[07:32] <kwwii> firephoto: it is the way I use my digikam - the controller part is at bottom:-)
[07:32] <apokryphos> caullerguiles has had some awesome work going on the digikam editor for the new release
[07:33] <apokryphos> a lot more tools for photo manipulation; the red-eye reduction was completely re-written
[07:33] <firephoto> kwwii: ok, i have some other buttons on the info bar at the bottom too, maybe those can be disabled somewher.e
[07:34] <kwwii> firephoto: yeah, basically that just shows my local config, not the default (and my version looks much nicer in a screenshot)
[07:38] <allee> kwwii: hi, is that digikam 0.8.2?  There only filtertags on the right
[07:39] <firephoto> i was just gonna ask that. i can't make those buttons disappear.
[07:40] <kwwii> allee: not sure, I made that screenshot a few weeks ago (and the system was up to date then)
[07:41] <kwwii> erm, looking at the file I made it a month ago
[07:43] <allee> kwwii: must be 0.8.2. my browser menu looks different and at the rifht side I've 5 tabs not only 'tag filters'
[07:43] <kwwii> allee: yes, I agee with you now, after looking at the new version
[07:45] <allee> kwwii: when you update the screenshot move editor task bar to top for the screenshot.  So it's not too different from what users get ;)
[07:46] <kwwii> allee: dude, I'm not updating any screenshots :-)
[07:47] <allee> kwwii: agreed.  Perfect pictures can't be enhanced by definition :)
[07:48] <allee> Riddell: annoucement typo: virutal
[07:49] <nixternal> argh, I thought Krita was still installed by default
[07:50] <Riddell> allee: poke nixternal
[07:51] <nixternal> got it
[07:51] <nixternal> fixed
[07:51] <ScottK> nixternal: Dunno if this rates or not, but for klamav (Universe) the facility to download clamav updates and compile them direct from upstream works (if you have the build-depends installed) and does not mess with the upgrading to a new packaged version.  This is something (keeping up to date with clamav) that people bitch and moan about all the time.
[07:52] <nixternal> so what does one use to edit pictures ootb?
[07:52] <instructor> ScottK: Backed up your DNA as ASCII?
[07:52] <ScottK> Not a current copy.
[07:53] <Riddell> nixternal: one doesn't currently
[07:53] <nixternal> roger, I need to replace the photo management section then
[07:53] <firephoto> the digikam editor will do basic stuff.
[07:56] <instructor> Is Gwenview getting editing stuff?
[07:56] <allee> instructor: only via kipi-plugins
[08:00] <fdoving> nixternal: are commas before and accepted in english? like: updated applications, and increased usability features...
[08:01] <nixternal> in that sentence it would be
[08:01] <fdoving> nixternal: if i were you i'd move the comma til after 'features'
[08:01] <nixternal> it is seperating 3 topics
[08:02] <fdoving> ok. :)
[08:02] <nixternal> you know who would know the best though, crimsun ^^ :)
[08:02] <marseillai> hi
[08:03] <marseillai> fdoving: do you have 5 minutes to help me on dpatch ?
[08:03] <fdoving> marseillai: sure.
[08:03] <marseillai> it shouldn't take long
[08:03] <marseillai> i've make a package for smplayer
[08:03] <fdoving> ok.
[08:03] <marseillai> and i've had to change Makefile
[08:03] <fdoving> why?
[08:03] <marseillai> so firstly i've made my change directly in source code
[08:04] <fdoving> ok.
[08:04] <marseillai> because there was some problem during building the package
[08:04] <fdoving> ok.
[08:05] <marseillai> after when i knew it was ok i've make a patch to source using dpatch and this tuto : https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/fr/basic-updating.html but i absolutly don't know what to add in debian/rules to apply my patches
[08:05] <marseillai> i've search on net but i found nothing simple only that : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ap-pkg-eg.fr.html and it doesn't help me
[08:06] <fdoving> marseillai: kmenu -> run command '#dpatch' -> run.
[08:06] <fdoving> marseillai: do you use cdbs to make the package?
[08:07] <marseillai> no deb_helper some person told me it was a good point to start with deb_helper before CDBS
[08:07] <fdoving> ok, then the information in #dpatch will help you.
[08:07] <marseillai> fdoving: i've allready read man dpatch too
[08:08] <fdoving> marseillai: then you'll need to read it again. it says what to add.
[08:08] <marseillai> oki
[08:09] <nixternal> 64bit feisty gives me issues when I have to go into admin mode in system settings and/or kcontrol
[08:38] <nixternal> new update to release notes (includes some pictures)
[08:39] <nixternal> OK, who has a lappy with a working Guidance? I need a couple of screenys (1024x768 if possible) of the main window and the mouse over
[08:40] <Riddell> not I
[08:41] <Riddell> sebas might
[08:42] <sebas> My install is everything but default, not sure if you want that.
[08:42] <Riddell> nixternal: I see no images, did you bzr add them?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/main/announcements/7.04-release.php
[08:43] <Riddell> oh, it's a root thing
[08:43] <Riddell> nixternal: could you change it from /images to ../images ?  would make my branch work
[08:45] <firephoto> nixternal: http://firephoto.googlepages.com/guidance.png http://firephoto.googlepages.com/guidancemouseover.png that work?
[08:45] <Riddell> nixternal: also images below the headings I think
[08:47] <ScottK> nixternal: Still need pics?
[08:48] <nixternal> Riddell: will do
[08:48] <nixternal> ScottK: yes
[08:48] <ScottK> OK.  I got 1024 X 768.
[08:48] <ScottK> What do you need?
[08:49] <nixternal> I need guidance screenshots of the battery in the kicker, the popup windows from a right click, and the main dialog with a left click
[08:51] <ScottK> Will do
[08:56] <ScottK> nixternal: http://www.kitterman.com/kubuntu/
[08:57] <ScottK> How's that?
[08:59] <kwwii> Riddell, all: is this one better? http://sinecera.de/feistyreleasepic1.png
[09:00] <nixternal> kwwii: that is Kool :)
[09:00] <nixternal> I like the 7.04 standout
[09:00] <nixternal> ScottK: almost. Is it possible for you to use the default Kubuntu theme?
[09:00] <nixternal> maybe create a quick second user to doso
[09:00] <Riddell> kwwii: funky too
[09:00] <amachu> hi every one
[09:01] <nixternal> hiya amachu
[09:01] <ScottK> Oops
[09:01] <kwwii> best of all, we can use it in the future as well without much work
[09:01] <kwwii> Riddell: is funky good or bad in your book?
[09:01] <amachu> this is amachu from Ubuntu Tamil Team
[09:01] <kwwii> :-)
[09:01] <ScottK> nixternal: Which one is it?
[09:01] <nixternal> ScottK: I don't know..hahah, let me look really quick
[09:01] <amachu> We have decided to have Ubuntu derivative project for Tamil
[09:01] <kwwii> there is an ubuntu tamil team? that is pretty cool
[09:02] <nixternal> Windeco is Crystal
[09:02] <nixternal> Style is Polyester
[09:02] <amachu> kwwii: yes
[09:02] <amachu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives/Tamil
[09:02] <nixternal> I am gonna have to finish this up during my break at school tonight
[09:02] <amachu> and we have decided the base as Kubuntu
[09:02] <Riddell> amachu: yay :)
[09:03] <amachu> Riddell: so far I have been a translator
[09:03] <kwwii> amachu: great :-)
[09:03] <ScottK> nixternal: Which color scheme?
[09:03] <nixternal> should be default
[09:03] <amachu> Riddell: and need to do learn a lot b4 commencing the task
[09:03] <amachu> kwwii: thank you
[09:03] <nixternal> kuseven maybe
[09:04] <nixternal> ScottK: yes, kuseven
[09:04] <ScottK> OK
[09:04] <kwwii> nixternal: I cannot beleive we left that file named that way
[09:04] <nixternal> but those screenys are actually what I want though :) thanks
[09:04] <ScottK> Redoing
[09:04] <kwwii> we'll fix that for gutsy
[09:04] <nixternal> kwwii: haha, I was wondering why that was the name
[09:04] <amachu> Riddell: kwwii: the other positive aspect is that we are the Upstream contact for Tamil translation for KDE translation too
[09:04] <amachu> so we believe we could rock
[09:05] <kwwii> nixternal: because it was the seventh version I made for kubuntu :-)
[09:05] <nixternal> haha nice
[09:05] <amachu> with all your support
[09:05] <amachu> from the scratch
[09:06] <amachu> as the first phase of our development cycle we would like to learn and document how Kubuntu itself is actually built
[09:06] <amachu> and from that customize our own needs...
[09:07] <ScottK> nixternal: Same URL
[09:07] <ScottK> All the ones with 2 in the name.
[09:07] <kwwii> amachu: well, I am only an artist so there won't be much I can help you with there :-)
[09:08] <amachu> so, what i am expecting to learn is, to where to begin to learn the development process involved in Kubuntu
[09:08] <Riddell> amachu: best thing is to start with an existing CD and customise it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06
[09:08] <ScottK> nixternal: Let me know if you need anything else.
[09:08] <amachu> Riddell: thats fine..
[09:08] <amachu> Riddell: Thank yOu
[09:08] <nixternal> oh man I feel like an ass right now. ScottK I forgot to tell ya, the kicker and wallpaper too :(
[09:09] <nixternal> feel free to shoot me!
[09:09] <amachu> Riddell: we would like to know the Kubuntu development process..
[09:09] <ScottK> No problem
[09:09] <ScottK> Just lemma know what to set it as
[09:09] <nixternal> I am sorry for that
[09:09] <nixternal> but hey, you are getting good with screenshots ;)
[09:09] <amachu> Riddell: One major change we have identified is to drop open office from our distro
[09:09] <nixternal> /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/kubuntu-panel.png for the kicker
[09:10] <amachu> Riddell: and replace it with KOffice
[09:10] <nixternal> /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png for wallpapers
[09:10] <amachu> Riddell: also we would like to know how Kubuntu is associated with repositaries
[09:10] <amachu> Riddell: and other aspects...
[09:10] <nixternal> ScottK: I can make it work!
[09:11] <nixternal> don't worry, I am just going to crop around the popup anyways
[09:11] <ScottK> OK
[09:12] <amachu> Is there a page to begin like it there for Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment ?
[09:13] <amachu> also URL where this #kubuntu is logged?
[09:15] <amachu> anyone there ??
[09:17] <fdoving> amachu: you can find irc logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[09:17] <Riddell> amachu: sometimes, I'm testing feisty candidates today
[09:18] <Riddell> amachu: repositories we upload software to
[09:18] <Riddell> amachu: then we have seeds which list what we want on the CDs
[09:18] <Riddell> amachu: then germinate is used to make kubuntu-meta
[09:18] <Riddell> amachu: then a script uses debootstrap to make the filesystem based on kubuntu-meta and ubuntu-minimal and -standard
[09:19] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SeedManagement
[09:19] <amachu> Riddell: ok..
[09:19] <amachu> i can't get a clear picture.. but feels this to be nice beginning
[09:19] <amachu> Riddell: Thank You for that..
[09:20] <amachu> I will be here at this IRC ..
[09:20] <amachu> to seek all your help as when needed
[09:20] <amachu> all the best for Kubuntu Feisty Fawn..
[09:20] <amachu> The Dawn of Feisty Fawn..
[09:20] <amachu> :)
[09:22] <amachu> Riddell: thank u for now, i will go thru the links you had provided
[09:27] <nixternal> alrighty, I am going to go to school now. I will complete this in about 2.5 hours during my class break
[09:32] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[10:01] <marseillai> fdoving: i'm absolutly not able to make my dpatch work! i've add dpatch as build-dep, i have a 00list in debian/patches, change my debian/rules like that but it still not use my patch ...
[10:02] <fdoving> marseillai: can you publish the package somewhere, then i can have a look at it.
[10:03] <marseillai> fdoving: ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/smplayer.tar.gz
[10:03] <ScottK> marseillai: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources and particularly the bit about dpatch-edit-patch
[10:04] <elcuco_> debian/rules is probably borked
[10:07] <marseillai> fdoving: i've put my patch-stamp in configure instead of build-stamp.... is it that ?
[10:07] <marseillai> in debian/rules ....
[10:07] <marseillai> sorry for disturbing if it is that
[10:11] <fdoving> gah.. i hate that change to dpkg-source
[10:11] <fdoving> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[10:12] <marseillai> fdoving: repaired
[10:12] <fdoving> marseillai: did you get your patch to apply?
[10:12] <marseillai> no
[10:12] <fdoving> i just changed the versionnumber to 'ubu1' instead of 'ubuntu1'
[10:12] <marseillai> just the problem of ubuntu-mail ...
[10:12] <marseillai> why ?
[10:12] <fdoving> i just hate the change in dpkg-source, it's totaly stupid to include that. imho.
[10:13] <marseillai> ok
[10:13] <fdoving> i can package stuff for ubuntu with any e-mail if i want to, there are no rules about that that i'm aware of. you don't even have to be a member to make a changelog entry.
[10:14] <marseillai> fdoving: forgot it
[10:14] <marseillai> my mistake for the patch
[10:14] <fdoving> i got your patch to work though :)
[10:14] <fdoving> the bug is in /usr/bin/dpkg-source
[10:14] <fdoving> not in your package :)
[10:15] <fdoving> your package looks good, i'll try to explain what you need to change.
[10:16] <fdoving> marseillai: open debian/rules
[10:16] <marseillai> fdoving: i've add patch-stamp after build-stamp instead of configure and it works... :) i still have this error :
[10:16] <marseillai> make[2] : Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/smplayer-0.3.27/src'
[10:16] <marseillai> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.
[10:16] <marseillai> but now it works
[10:17] <fdoving> marseillai: does it unpatch and cleanup too?
[10:17] <marseillai> fdoving: but i'm listening to you every advice is good in my situation
[10:17] <marseillai> yes i think but not sur of this
[10:18] <fdoving> marseillai: i changed it to look like this:
[10:18] <fdoving> http://rafb.net/p/ZZxuvX70.html
[10:19] <fdoving> marseillai: 'configure: build-stamp configure-stamp' means the command 'debian/rules configure' depends on 'debian/rules build-stamp' and 'debian/rules configure-stamp'
[10:20] <fdoving> marseillai: so making configure-stamp depend on patch, we get the source patched.
[10:20] <marseillai> i'm reading you slowly but i'm reading you
[10:21] <marseillai> oki
[10:21] <fdoving> marseillai: also, for clean, we make 'debian/rules clean' depend on unpatch and clean-unpatched, that'll unpatch and clean with the commands in clean-unpatched:
[10:21] <marseillai> fdoving: can i show you the one i use currently, and could you tell me the differences between yours ?
[10:21] <fdoving> sure.
[10:21] <marseillai> and if it is good ?
[10:21] <fdoving> ok.
[10:22] <fdoving> brb. 5 min. kid -> bed.
[10:22] <marseillai> fdoving: http://rafb.net/p/rCL8pi61.html
[10:22] <marseillai> no problem
[10:30] <fdoving> marseillai: ok the difference is that your package is configured before the patch is applied. the patch is only applied before a build. you can read 'man dpatch.make'. it says you need to add the patch prerequisite to a target that does not depend on another.
[10:31] <fdoving> marseillai: you also depend on patch-stamp which can be configured to not work. via the DPATCH_STAMPFN environment variable. you should use 'patch'
[10:31] <marseillai> oki
[10:32] <fdoving> and you should re-write the clean targets as i did, and 'man dpatch.make' says.
[10:33] <marseillai> fdoving: man dpatch was really not simple to understand for me! :$
[10:33] <fdoving> dpatch isn't that simple.
[10:33] <marseillai> yes
[10:33] <marseillai> i see
[10:33] <fdoving> i usually recommend cdbs, and use it myself.
[10:33] <marseillai> fdoving: my next package will be for me time to learn cdbs :)
[10:33] <fdoving> but debhelper is nice if you want to learn makefile-syntax :)
[10:37] <marseillai> so basket note time .....
[10:39] <ScottK> It doesn't need much.
[10:39] <ScottK> Find a cdbs packaged package similar to yours and copy.  Go from there.
[10:49] <marseillai> fdoving: is it normal that my package doesn't depend on mplayer ???
[10:49] <fdoving> marseillai: you would need to add that depend yourself.
[10:49] <marseillai> oki
[10:49] <fdoving> if it is unusable without it.
[10:49] <marseillai> it is
[10:49] <fdoving> you could however just recommend it.
[10:50] <marseillai> i thought it will be add automatically
[10:50] <marseillai> grrrrrrrrrr thought i had finish
[10:50] <marseillai> :)
[10:50] <fdoving> by default adept, synaptic and aptitude should should now install recommends, but allow them to be removed.
[10:50] <fdoving> it can be usefull for people to be allowed to compile their own mplayer, for example.
[10:50] <fdoving> that's up to you really.
[11:15] <nixternal> OK, I skipped the first class. time to make the donuts
[11:16] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm here for roughly another 30 minutes if you need more screen shots.
[11:21] <nixternal> ScottK: do you have a stock Windows XP box? :)
[11:21] <nixternal> hehe
[11:21] <nixternal> crimsun does
[11:21] <ScottK> Windows 2K on my wife's PC is the newest I have (she's dual booting).
[11:22] <nixternal> I can get the screenshot later for that anyways