[12:13] <chijin> apple lossless
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> BloodyTux: upgrading what distro?
[12:13] <BloodyTux> kubuntu
[12:14] <BloodyTux> to beta
[12:14] <WillLuongo> Daisuke_Ido: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> then why the **** are you using debian repos?
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[12:14] <BloodyTux> idk
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> WillLuongo: that's certainly odd
[12:14] <BloodyTux> the distro upgrade wants them
[12:15] <WillLuongo> I remember having a similar problem, and I manually edited a file. But I don't remember what i did.
[12:16] <BloodyTux> it wants to access main and restricted Packages.gz from packages.debian.org
[12:16] <chijin> the ubuntu upgrade tool shouldn't be doing that
[12:17] <BloodyTux> i know
[12:17] <BloodyTux> but it is
[12:17] <adaptr> BloodyTux: then they're in your sources.list
[12:17] <BloodyTux> yea
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> do you have debian repos in your sou....  what he said
[12:17] <BloodyTux> shoud it not be
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> take them out
[12:17] <BloodyTux> it was there when i installed ubuntu
[12:17] <BloodyTux> *kubuntu
[12:17] <BloodyTux> sorry
[12:17] <adaptr> erm... no, they weren't
[12:17] <cloakable> Should only be Ubuntu repos :/
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> um
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> no they weren't
[12:17] <BloodyTux> hmmmmm
[12:17] <adaptr> if they were, somebody gave you a hacked installer :)
[12:18] <BloodyTux> :O
[12:18] <Daisuke_Ido> doubtful that that is what actually happened
[12:18] <adaptr> it's the big debian conspiracy all over again, you mark my words!
[12:18] <Daisuke_Ido> but, yeah, those shouldn't be there
[12:18] <BloodyTux> oh wait, i remember, i used it to try to get Ace of Penguins...
[12:18] <BloodyTux> oops
[12:18] <BloodyTux> dedede
[12:19] <BloodyTux> also before i mess up my pc by upgrading, it says that input device 168 is invalid
[12:19] <Daisuke_Ido> okay
[12:20] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the wacom stuff in xorg.conf
[12:20] <BloodyTux> ummmm... ok.
[12:20] <Daisuke_Ido> BloodyTux: try running any gui app from the cli
[12:20] <Daisuke_Ido> like kate
[12:20] <Daisuke_Ido> let me know what errors x throws at you, because it will
[12:21] <BloodyTux> from the cli?
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> terminal
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> cli - command line interface
[12:21] <WillLuongo> Daisuke_Ido: any other ideas?
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> WillLuongo: can you remove the offending package?
[12:22] <adaptr> WillLuongo: sudo aptitude check
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, i like his suggestion better
[12:22] <ubuntu> whats the feisty packages address, so i can download the stuff i need manualy
[12:23] <jbruckman> ubuntu: there's a link on the ubuntu homepage
[12:23] <WillLuongo> adaptr: it needs flags. any recommendations?
[12:23] <adaptr> the addresses are in your sources.list
[12:23] <BloodyTux> OMFG!!!!!!
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> you're kiddinfg, right?
[12:23] <adaptr> WillLuongo: it *needs* flags ?
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> BloodyTux: what blew up?
[12:23] <adaptr> his F girlfriend :)
[12:23] <ubuntu> adaptr if the mchine had internet i would do apt-get
[12:23] <BloodyTux> nothing, no errors so i started the upgrade
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> k
[12:24] <WillLuongo> adaptr: yeah, it says unknown command "check" and spits help at me.
[12:24] <BloodyTux> 4 packages to remove, 109 to install, 909 to upgrade
[12:24] <elaine__> somebody knows something about any drivers for a modem pctel HSP56 to install in Kubuntu 6.10
[12:24] <ubuntu> im on the hoe page and i dont see it jbruckman
[12:24] <elaine__> pleaseee
[12:24] <adaptr> ubuntu: like I said, the addresses are already in your sources.list
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[12:24] <BloodyTux> 852 mb
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> you get used to that
[12:24] <BloodyTux> for 2 hours on my connection
[12:24] <adaptr> WillLuongo: sorry, then try sudo apt-get check
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> but look how much space will actually be *used*
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> a few mb, probably?
[12:24] <BloodyTux> how do i clear the download cache?
[12:24] <WillLuongo> adaptr: ok
[12:24] <kim_> hey! what do I have to do to make my wlan autoconnect to a certain network on startup?
[12:24] <WillLuongo> adaptr: what now?
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get clean
[12:24] <BloodyTux> get
[12:24] <BloodyTux> *k
[12:25] <BluesKaj> well gents , managed to move "/home" to it's own partition ... certainly speeds things up nicely ...so far so good
[12:25] <adaptr> WillLuongo: what did it say ?
[12:25] <BloodyTux> bbl cause i have to close everything
[12:25] <WillLuongo> adaptr: Reading package lists... Done
[12:25] <WillLuongo> Building dependency tree
[12:25] <WillLuongo> Reading state information... Done
[12:25] <BloodyTux> i'll tell you if it blew up when i get back
[12:25] <BloodyTux> ciao
[12:25] <Daisuke_Ido> good luck
[12:25] <BloodyTux> thanks, i'll need it
[12:26] <BloodyTux> wait, before i go, do i close the terminal i ran the upgrader in?
[12:26] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: i like doing that, eventually i'll go to larger SATA storage drives and have a 10gb for / and an 80 for /home
[12:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't
[12:26] <Daisuke_Ido> unless it tells you to
[12:26] <BloodyTux> k
[12:26] <BloodyTux> ciao
[12:26] <draco24> yas tu du monde qui parle francais
[12:27] <WillLuongo>  adaptr: it is still there.
[12:27] <jbruckman> ubuntu: look on the right side of the page, i believe it's there.
[12:27] <adaptr> WillLuongo: what is ?
[12:27] <jbruckman> ubuntu: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-beta.php
[12:27] <WillLuongo> adaptr: the broken package.
[12:27] <jbruckman> ubuntu: use that link.
[12:28] <WillLuongo> adaptr: I can't get rid of it in adept, because it throws errors.
[12:28] <BluesKaj> yeah , Daisuke_Ido ..my /home partition is just 25G but since itonly needs 8G atm , still some headroom left :)
[12:28] <rubyat> is the generic kernel cpu clock rate set at 250 or 1000?
[12:28] <jbruckman> chemicalvamp: that should get you where you wanna go.
[12:28] <adaptr> WillLuongo: *what* package ?
[12:28] <chemicalvamp> it doesnt
[12:28] <julioxd> hola alguien ke hable espaol?
[12:29] <elaine__> sip
[12:29] <elaine__> si
[12:29] <adaptr> !es | julioxd
[12:29] <ubotu> julioxd: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:29] <julioxd> hola
[12:29] <dwidmann> Question, can anybody else confirm that "Require password to stop screensaver" in the screensaver settings isn't working in Feisty? It seems it just stopped working for me a matter of days ago ...
[12:29] <WillLuongo> adaptr: avgt75fld
[12:29] <elaine__> hola
[12:29] <julioxd> komo estas?
[12:29] <WillLuongo> adaptr: it installed from a .deb from the website.
[12:29] <chemicalvamp> i found this site once, that showed a sorted list of packages, andone know what im talking anout?
[12:29] <elaine__> mas o menos, re quemada con un modem
[12:29] <WillLuongo> adaptr: well, the install failed from the deb, and now I can't get it out.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> dwidmann, upgraded the kernel, i bet eh /
[12:29] <elaine__> que estoy tratando de hacerlo funcionar
[12:29] <jbruckman> reading foreign languages i don't speak gives me a headache...
[12:29] <chemicalvamp> que pasa mi amigp
[12:29] <jbruckman> :-\
[12:30] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: Hmm, could that do it o.O I recall there being a KDE update a couple days before that
[12:30] <julioxd> ha horale yo me estoy rompiendo la cabeza kon beryl
[12:30] <adaptr> WillLuongo: install from a deb ? so you did not install it from adept at all ?
[12:30] <chemicalvamp> !beryl
[12:30] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:30] <elaine__> uuuhh
[12:30] <WillLuongo> adaptr: right. but it broke adept.
[12:30] <jbruckman> oh god. don't use beryl!
[12:30] <julioxd> sip
[12:30] <dwidmann> jbruckman: what's wrong with beryl?
[12:30] <chemicalvamp> si beryl no beuno, muy dificile
[12:31] <BluesKaj> dwidmann, sorry i can't confirm your problem tho :(
[12:31] <dwidmann> (granted, I like Kwin better, I'm just curious why you hate beryl so)
[12:31] <adaptr> WillLuongo: that's because you don't want to use unvetted DEBs if you are using a package management system and you don't know yet how it works..
[12:31] <jbruckman> dwidmann: it's just really unstable. i've known about 5 people whose systems it basically destroyed.
[12:31] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: bummer. It was working last week too :(
[12:31] <julioxd> y ke me kuentas de donde eres?
[12:31] <adaptr> !es | julioxd
[12:31] <ubotu> julioxd: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:31] <jbruckman> dwidmann: they had a hell of a time getting back to a working system
[12:31] <julioxd> gracias asaptr
[12:31] <jbruckman> dwidmann: one friend just reinstalled from scratch.
[12:31] <chemicalvamp> adaptr he said that didnt help lol
[12:31] <BluesKaj> I just let the scnsvr go until the monitor shuts off
[12:32] <dwidmann> jbruckman: On the shiny eye candy front, I'm personally holding out for KDE4's kwin composite :)
[12:32] <jbruckman> dwidmann: yeah, i'm holding out for KDE 4 too.
[12:32] <adaptr> chemicalvamp: nobody cares - in here, you speak english or you go around misunderstood
[12:32] <jbruckman> dwidmann: i can't wait forit! *acts excited*
[12:32] <jbruckman> haha
[12:32] <chemicalvamp> adaptr he was looing for a beryl channel for spanish
[12:32] <adaptr> chemicalvamp: then he should ask in es
[12:33] <adaptr> it's not rocket science
[12:33] <jbruckman> food time.
[12:33] <chemicalvamp> adaptr he said he did that :) but its all good, i understand what your saying
[12:34] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: I don't really care about the screensaver (I set it to blank, and let it shut off after a while, I usually shut it off if I'm going to be away for long) I am however bothered that it isn't requiring password to return from screensaver ... that was a really really convenient way to lock the session without having to lock the session ...
[12:34] <WillLuongo> Can anyone help me remove a broken package from a .deb file?
[12:34] <Riddell> congratulations emonkey
[12:34] <adaptr> WillLuongo: a deb file *is* a package
[12:34] <BluesKaj> ok, good idea actually , dwidmann...just me and wifey here so there's no need
[12:35] <WillLuongo> adaptr: thanks I didn't know that. <--- sarcasm
[12:35] <adaptr> WillLuongo: man dpkg, and be prepared to read.. a lot
[12:35] <BluesKaj> bbiab , dinnertime
[12:35] <adaptr> dpkg is what really does the work
[12:35] <julioxd> de donde eres elaine?
[12:35] <chemicalvamp> he said where are you from
[12:35] <emonkey> Riddell, many thanks
[12:40] <jbruckman> !nvidia
[12:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:43] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: ah, wait, it WAS related to the kernel update, in a round-a-bout kind of way. Ever since the kernel update I've not been able to get the nvidia drivers back online (using vesa for now), which in turn means opengl is in fact broken, and apparentlyl I had the screensaver set to something I didn't think I had it set to, that used opengl, which seemedly made it cease to function correctly ... I guess if the screensaver can't successfully
[12:43] <dwidmann> run the require password to return function can't function ...
[12:44] <eukaryote> Any Quanta users around?
[12:46] <dope> how can i tell if my comp will boot from a usb
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> dope: if bios has a 'boot from usb' option, that's a pretty good indicator. but other than that, i guess...  try and see
[12:48] <chemicalvamp> does anybody know the address of the page that has a webpage list of packages
[12:49] <BluesKaj> !easyubuntu
[12:49] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[12:51] <BluesKaj> chemicalvamp, also : http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide#Method_1:_Install_the_Driver_the_Ubuntu_Way
[12:51] <BluesKaj> or sustitute edgy in the address
[12:51] <chemicalvamp> BluesKaj not looking for that, teres an ubuntu webpage that has a list.. by tpye / by name, listing dependancies
[12:52] <eukaryote> Does anyone know why Quanta's documentation isn't in its two packages? It should come with tons of HTML< CSS & PHP stuff
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> is there a -doc package for it?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> sorry chemicalvamp , this is the one I meant to post : http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[12:53] <eukaryote> Daisuke_Ido: Not that I can see
[12:53] <ubuntu> I have this problem!
[12:53] <dwidmann> I think the package for the documentation might be kdewebdev-doc-html
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu: don't ask to ask, just ask
[12:54] <Daisuke_Ido> we all have problems :P
[12:54] <dwidmann> ubuntu: present and listening :-)
[12:54] <eukaryote> dwidmann: Never thought of that. I'll have a look
[12:54] <Daisuke_Ido> just...  not with linux.  for instance, mine are mostly mental :)
[12:54] <Sanne> chemicalvamp: do you mean packages.ubuntu.com?
[12:54] <chemicalvamp> BluesKaj nope that has nothing to do with what i want
[12:55] <dwidmann>  Daisuke_Ido: yours too?
[12:55] <ubuntu> mount: can't find /dev/hda6 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:55] <chemicalvamp> Sanne bingo thanks
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> of course.
[12:55] <Sanne> chemicalvamp: you're welcome :)
[12:55] <dwidmann> ubuntu: what type of partition is /dev/hda6?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> ok, chemicalvamp, perhaps you do the search in Google :)
[12:55] <ubuntu> is ext
[12:56] <dwidmann> assuming ext2, it would be something like "sudo mount -t ext2 /dev/hda6 /media/hda6"
[12:56] <dwidmann> or you could add it to the fstab
[12:56] <dwidmann> (
[12:56] <dwidmann> you can say ext3 also, same deal, just fill in the hole
[12:56] <dwidmann> also, do be sure that the mount point exists
[12:57] <ubuntu> I am in this moment in a livecd
[12:57] <dwidmann> ubuntu: same deal
[12:58] <dwidmann> the live cd (at least from a user perspective) is more or less no different than running ubuntu itself :)
[12:58] <ubuntu> Because I can't start kubuntu in graphic mode...
[12:59] <dwidmann> Odd, hmm, what graphics card do you have?
[12:59] <dope> i have a pen drive with a bunch of preinstalled garbage for U3 on it. can i boot linux from it?
[01:00] <eukaryote> dwidmann: kdewebdev-doc-html doesn't seem to have the stuff Quanta+ needs
[01:00] <hans_> How do I make Kubuntu connect to my wireless automatically on startup, right know I have to use wireless manager everytime
[01:00] <dwidmann> eukaryote: odd, because kdewebdev IS quanta
[01:01] <ubuntu> I have an nvidia, but I don't now what version... I tried to install drivers and it happening
[01:01] <skarface> hans_: knetworkmanager
[01:01] <eukaryote> dwidmann: If you click the "Documentation" tab then follow a particular page it fails looking for files such as /usr/share/apps/quanta/doc/php/introduction.html
[01:02] <ubuntu> Sorry if my English is bad, but I speak just a little...
[01:03] <ubuntu> I need help!!!
[01:03] <dwidmann> eukaryote: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/quanta/index.html
[01:03] <dwidmann> hmm, that seems to be the index page anyhow
[01:04] <dwidmann> whether there is more to be found I'm not sure ... still looking
[01:04] <ubuntu> dwidmann_
[01:05] <ubuntu> I'm not a mexican!
[01:05] <dwidmann> ubuntu: hmm,
[01:05] <eukaryote> dwidmann: Weird. My Q+ is looking somewhere else entirely. This must be where earlier releases stored this stuff, yet I'm running Q+ 3.5
[01:05] <dwidmann> eukaryote: possibly, another possibility is that the documentation I just linked was entirely unrelated
[01:06] <dwidmann> ubuntu: did it work at first? and then fail to work after installing the nvidia drivers?
[01:06] <ubuntu> Yes!!!
[01:07] <dwidmann> first lets find out what graphics card you have, I need you to open up a terminal, and type "lspci | grep VGA"
[01:07] <BluesKaj> ok , have /home on a different partition , but I'm not sure it's loading at bootup ...what should I look for in fstab as an indicator ?
[01:07] <ubuntu> I reboot my system and it didn't work...
[01:07] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: I would look for /home in the mtab
[01:08] <BluesKaj> ok dwidmann , thx
[01:08] <ubuntu> dwidmann, Do you speak spanish?
[01:08] <eukaryote> dwidmann: Hmm. I guess I should join the mailing list and ask there. The #quanta IRC channel is empty; the FAQ and Wiki don't help much
[01:08] <dwidmann> ubuntu: I know a few random words, but that's about it
[01:09] <eukaryote> dwidmann: Thanks for the help
[01:09] <dwidmann> eukaryote: perhaps the #kde channel then?
[01:09] <eukaryote> dwidmann: Yes, good idea. I'll see what turns up there
[01:10] <angasule> !samba
[01:10] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:10] <dwidmann> ubuntu: first lets find out what graphics card you have, I need you to open up a terminal, and type "lspci | grep VGA"
[01:12] <BluesKaj> ok dwidmann, I found what looks like /home (hda3) ,but I also found this in the first line of /etc/apt/mtab : /dev/hda2 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0  Is this bad ?
[01:13] <dwidmann> no ... well, maybe
[01:13] <dwidmann> I don't like the "0 0" on the end
[01:13] <dwidmann> it isn't like th at in the fstab is it?
[01:13] <BluesKaj> ok, lemme look
[01:14] <dwidmann> it should be "0 1" for "/", not "0 0"
[01:15] <BluesKaj> dwidmann, fstab  : ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[01:15] <dwidmann> ah, that should be fine then
[01:15] <ubuntu> dwidmann: it says: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller> nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/model 64 Pro]  (rev 15)
[01:16] <BluesKaj> ok thx
[01:16] <dwidmann> ubuntu: hmm, now I've got to see which nvidia driver supports that card, there are 2 of them (actually 3 in feisty)
[01:16] <ubuntu> What do you think?
[01:17] <dwidmann> ubuntu: I think you need nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:17] <ubuntu> Ok, what I can do?
[01:18] <dwidmann> and apt-cache show nvidia-glx-legacy agrees with me ... TNT2 is in the list
[01:18] <ubuntu> You are my hands
[01:18] <dwidmann> ubuntu: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy;  sudo nvidia-xconfig
[01:20] <ubuntu> <dwidmann remember that I'm in a livecd...
[01:20] <dwidmann> ah, drat
[01:20] <dwidmann> Write that stuff down
[01:20] <dwidmann> Boot into ubuntu with the "recovery mode" option
[01:20] <draco24> est ce que il y as du monde qui parle francais
[01:20] <dwidmann> It will give you a root shell in which you'll be able to run those commands, then reboot into the regular installed and see if it works
[01:21] <dwidmann> !fr | draco24
[01:21] <ubotu> draco24: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:21] <ubuntu> Yes, I'll do that, but I can to leave the channel, in few minuts I'l come back, thank you dwidmann!!
[01:21] <draco24> merci
[01:30] <jbruckman> anyone know how to get nvidia drivers working properly on feisty?
[01:32] <stdin> jbruckman: tried asking in #ubuntu+1 ?
[01:35] <jbruckman> stdin: no, i'll check over there.
[01:35] <eams> dwidmann, thank you!
[01:35] <rstanca> anyone knows a good ftp client written in qt? something like gftp, found kasablanca and kftpgrabber in repository but i don`t like them
[01:35] <stdin> rstanca: konqueror?
[01:35] <eams> dwidmann: You are an angel! I'm ubuntu
[01:36] <rstanca> stdin: i was looking for something similar to gftp
[01:36] <eams> Now I'm in my HD!!!
[01:36] <stdin> !ftp
[01:36] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[01:36] <stdin> hmm
[01:37] <stdin> rstanca: try asking in #kde
[01:37] <eams> dwidmann, thank you
[01:42] <rstanca> stdin: krusader might do it, even if it`s more than a ftp client
[01:42] <Tm_T> Konqueror <3
[01:43] <Tm_T> Konqueror with splitview and wonderful kiosystem <3
[01:46] <sticksabuser> hey does anyone know of a package for producing piecharts similar to gnuplot?
[01:46] <adaptr> erm.. gnuplot
[01:46] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:46] <flaccid> !kftpgrabber
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kftpgrabber - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <flaccid> !info kftpgrabber
[01:47] <ubotu> kftpgrabber: KDE FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.0beta1-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 989 kB, installed size 2792 kB
[01:47] <flaccid> hmm still in beta
[01:47] <gan|y|med> my fglrx.ko keeps getting deleted every time i restart. can anybody tell me what causes this?
[01:47] <sticksabuser> adaptr: see the issue is gnuplot doesn't do piecharts
[01:48] <adaptr> so the "piecharts similar to gnuplot" thing was just a ruse, then ?
[01:49] <sticksabuser> adaptr: not sure what a ruse is... but here's what I need: a package that I can write a script for to produce a nicely formatted piechart in eps and/or pdf formats...
[01:50] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:50] <Ace2016> Hi all
[01:50] <Ace2016> how do i mount a fat32 partition so that it is writable?
[01:50] <gan|y|med> why does fglrx.ko get deleted every time the system is restarted???
[01:50] <Ace2016> root can write to it but i cannot
[01:51] <gan|y|med> umask=0
[01:51] <Ace2016> i mean its a fat32 partition, how can it have permissions on it?
[01:51] <Ace2016> gan|y|med: in fstab?
[01:51] <gan|y|med> that's the option i think for writing to it
[01:51] <gan|y|med> for example
[01:51] <adaptr> sticksabuser: postscript can do scripting... and there are several direct interfaces to these kinds of vector formats
[01:51] <gan|y|med> try mount --help
[01:52] <Ace2016> gan|y|med: thanks that worked perfectly
[01:52] <sticksabuser> I was trying piecharts http://www.usf.uni-osnabrueck.de/~breiter/tools/piechart/piecharts.en.html... but for some reason it wouldn't compile....
[01:52] <gan|y|med> np
[01:53] <Hatl> hi!
[01:53] <Hatl> will kubuntu be relaased on thursday with ubuntu?
[01:54] <Tm_T> sure
[01:54] <gan|y|med> the question is, will anybody go to one of the release parties, hehe
[01:54] <Hatl> thats the first time i try ubuntu, im looking forward to
[01:55] <gan|y|med> feisty is great, quite reasonably spoken
[01:55] <Tm_T> gan|y|med: sure, I'm organising one of them
[01:56] <gan|y|med> where?
[01:56] <gan|y|med> if i may ask
[01:56] <Tm_T> Finland :)
[01:57] <gan|y|med> well, kind of far away from me
[01:57] <Tm_T> heh
[01:57] <Ace2016> Hi all
[01:57] <Ace2016> does linux need an outbound firewall??? and do any exist??? just wondering about root kits and stuff
[01:58] <Tm_T> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseParties
[01:58] <gan|y|med> really, if is
[01:58] <gan|y|med> t
[01:58] <gan|y|med> trying to get into the london one, though
[01:58] <Tm_T> !firewall | Ace2016
[01:58] <ubotu> Ace2016: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[01:58] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, it's abit far for me now ...but i was born in Kaavi, Finland... but that was 63 yrs ago :)
[01:59] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: hmm, we should have long discussion some day ;)
[01:59] <MegaVolt> hi, got a question about knetworkmanager: after a fresh apt-get install (after purging the old files) the knetworkmanager icon is there but clicking on it it says "knetworkmanager is nt running" - i can set manual network configuration but i dont get any wlan stuff displayed
[01:59] <Tm_T> Ace2016: I recommend Firestarter
[01:59] <BluesKaj> my finnish is non existent now :(
[01:59] <Ace2016> Tm_T: i know that stuff, but i want to know if there is anything that can stop all apps apart from selected ones accessing the net
[01:59] <MegaVolt> how to change that ?
[02:00] <Ace2016> Tm_T: used firestarter, but i got a router so i don't think i need it
[02:00] <Tm_T> Ace2016: hmm, never seen much point in that
[02:00] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: we can use english :)
[02:00] <BluesKaj> hehe Tm_T :)
[02:01] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: I'm just interested about history and lives and stuff :)
[02:01] <BluesKaj> cool
[02:07] <chemicalvamp> i need to find a fun game, anybody got any ideas?
[02:08] <felzix> genre
[02:08] <felzix> ?
[02:08] <chemicalvamp> any, just fun/addictive
[02:08] <felzix> N Game is pretty fun
[02:08] <felzix> want a link?
[02:08] <chemicalvamp> sure
[02:09] <felzix> which OS do you sue?
[02:09] <felzix> use*
[02:09] <chemicalvamp> feisty amd64
[02:09] <felzix> http://www.harveycartel.org/metanet/n_v1linux.tar.gz
[02:09] <Tm_T> felzix: supertux!
[02:10] <chemicalvamp> felzix why is that link opening in ark?
[02:11] <korrx> felzix: armagetron
[02:11] <Tm_T> because it's packed
[02:11] <felzix> it should be a download
[02:11] <felzix> http://www.harveycartel.org/metanet/downloads.html
[02:12] <korrx> felzix: wormux
[02:12] <felzix> korrx: wormux is awesome :)
[02:12] <felzix> I've never tried armagetron
[02:12] <felzix> and supertux is too much like mario, but is not quite there, so it feels weird
[02:13] <felzix> Singularity is pretty fun, until it's beaten
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> wesnoth
[02:15] <korrx> felziz: neverball
[02:15] <felzix> korrx: I don't seem to be allowed to pm because of spam problems, but: I love mario.  Especially #3.
[02:18] <HaSH> wow this CANNOT be good : http://pastebin.ulteo.us/511
[02:19] <korrx> HaSH: root@KernelHack:~# locate *mandriva-linux* ??? aren't you on a buntu box ?
[02:20] <HaSH> sudo su -
[02:20] <HaSH> i had a  few things to do in root. and was easier to su - to it. apposed to sudo each command
[02:20] <sputnik`> why not sudo bash ?
[02:21] <Shootfast> or sudo -s
[02:21] <HaSH> either way.
[02:21] <Daisuke_Ido> same end result either way
[02:21] <Shootfast> :P
[02:21] <HaSH> but still that error looks bad
[02:21] <sputnik`> ;P
[02:25] <Bebemycat2> To upgrade from Kubuntu 6.06 to 7.04 do I have to download an burn the .iso all over again, or is there a simpler method?
[02:26] <rala> hi everyone. need help. how do I reconfigure my display resolutions
[02:29] <rala> anyone?
[02:29] <jbruckman> i've been trying to get help in ubuntu+1 for a while now, and i've been completely ignored... The nvidia glx driver, when installed, breaks the monitor settings. I can no longer adjust any of these settings, most important of which is the resolution setting.
[02:30] <Shootfast> Bebemycat2: adept will tell you when a new release is available, but its almost the same as downloading a new iso
[02:30] <Bebemycat2> Shootfast: Thank you
[02:30] <Shootfast> Bebemycat2: I find it best to get the new iso anyways and just store your home settings in a new partition
[02:31] <Bebemycat2> I was thinking I would have to do that
[02:31] <Shootfast> Bebemycat2: that way you have the latest install disk if it all goes to hell
[02:31] <Bebemycat2> That is true. Thanks for the advice
[02:31] <Bebemycat2> :)
[02:32] <Shootfast> :)
[02:32] <firephoto> jbruckman: i think you would have to use the nvidia-settings app to adjust those from the gui.
[02:32] <soulrider> hows everyone doing ?
[02:32] <soulrider> jbruckman: can you try and reconifgure xorg ?
[02:32] <Shootfast> jbruckman: the nvidia drivers are very unstable, to reset your resolution run nvidia-xconfig
[02:33] <jbruckman> soulrider: i tried the reconfiguring thing, and despite having the modes there, and subsequently in /etc/X11/xorg.conf i couldn't get that resolution
[02:33] <jbruckman> Shootfast: nvidia-xconfig? I'll give it a shot. thanks
[02:34] <Shootfast> jbruckman: That will change you xorg.conf to what the nvidia driver needs
[02:34] <jbruckman> Shootfast: okay. I'll give it a try. hopefully it'll fix it.
[02:34] <jbruckman> Shootfast: thanks
[02:34] <Shootfast> jbruckman: if you run beryl you will have to add some other things to that command though
[02:34] <jbruckman> Shootfast: screw beryl.
[02:34] <jbruckman> Shootfast: lol
[02:34] <jbruckman> Shootfast: unstable garbage, that's what that is... :|
[02:34] <Shootfast> jbruckman: :(
[02:34] <Shootfast> jbruckman: not for me :P
[02:35] <Shootfast> the only unstable thing is the nvidia drivers
[02:35] <jbruckman> Shootfast: *bows to you* i know like 5 people that had their system screwed over by beryl.
[02:35] <jbruckman> hmmm
[02:35] <jbruckman> i dunno. i wouldn't trust it.
[02:35] <jbruckman> anyway, thanks again m8. i'll give this a shot.
[02:35] <Shootfast> did you install your drivers from the repo or from nvidia?
[02:35] <reydelsillon> Hi guys. Anyone that can help me getting amule to reconize edk links froma webpage?
[02:36] <Shootfast> and if from the repo did you get nvidia-glx or nvida-glx-new?
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> "had their system screwed over"?
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> puh-LEASE.  try "weren't competent enough to follow directions"
[02:36] <jbruckman> Daisuke_Ido: please. let's not attack anyone personally. I followed the directions exactly when i tried to do it about 3 months ago, and X wouldn't start.
[02:37] <jbruckman> i had to rollback
[02:37] <Shootfast> things are better now after the 1.0
[02:37] <jbruckman> perhaps i'll look again then... once i get nvidia working.
[02:37] <jbruckman> restarting x.
[02:37] <Shootfast> ok, if you need help theres one more command to enter first to get nvidia working with beryl though
[02:38] <Shootfast> reydelsillon: what browser?
[02:38] <reydelsillon> firefox
[02:38] <Shootfast> reydelsillon: did you set the default applications?
[02:39] <Shootfast> (inside firefox)
[02:39] <reydelsillon> let me check
[02:43] <reydelsillon> shootfast: you mean edit-> pref-> content ?
[02:44] <Shootfast> somewhere like that
[02:45] <Shootfast> type in the extension used on the edk links and set to open in amule
[02:47] <HaSH> how else can isearch for files besides updatedb && locate file ?...is there a way that is just as good?
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> HaSH: there's also whereis
[02:49] <MajorApus> Can someone help me?  I just installed kubuntu, I have tried 7.04 live cd, 6.10 live cd, and 6.10 alt installer.  All 3 end up witht he same thing, x starts, and I am left with a desktop looking screen, a solid blue bakcround and a single cursor, the cursor can move but that is all that happens, also, my keyboards numlock key is unresponsive
[02:49] <korrx> slocate
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> and find
[02:49] <reydelsillon> how do i set amule open? to link like this? ed2k://|file|Lost.S03E16.One.Of.Us.HR.HDTV.XviD-CTU.[sharethefiles.com] .avi|734348238|A8A44DB7ED8E9DEB31EAE1119E3F3124|h=HNUVAGXJINHHJRLO344SXA5AWD65R7GB|/
[02:49] <reydelsillon> just an example ofcourse.
[02:49] <reydelsillon> ^
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> reydelsillon: you use torrents for that :P
[02:50] <reydelsillon> maybe i should
[02:50] <MajorApus> If I start kubuntu in recovery mode from the grub boot loader I get a root command prompt, If I type startx I get the same blank desktop screen with a cursor
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> offtopic a bit, but they tend to be faster and more reliable
[02:50] <reydelsillon> but just now i want thisamule to hande edk or i go crazy.
[02:51] <HaSH> Daisuke_Ido, allright ill checkt it out.
[02:51] <korrx> MajorApus : bad idea X under root account
[02:51] <Daisuke_Ido> MajorApus: try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:51] <Daisuke_Ido> IF you absolutely have to
[02:51] <MajorApus> how would I know if I absolutely have to
[02:52] <reydelsillon> shootfast: can you tell me how i open amule for edk? i cant see any option about taht in the amuleprogrm.
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> if you can do what you need to do to recover from the command line (and everything can be done via the command line), you don't absolutely have to
[02:53] <HaSH> hmm whereis doesnt work the same. see i have this file i was downloading with wget. my computer froze and i had to reboot. i think tried to resume the file with wget but it didnt resume and now its downloading into a a unknown place and id like to find it
[02:53] <Daisuke_Ido> reydelsillon: i'm looking for an option, but nada so far
[02:53] <MajorApus> did you read my first message?
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[02:54] <MajorApus> I guess I would need to know what to do from the command line,  I use linux more than most people, but usually with a gui and fixing a problem is not something I would know how to do, its a fresh install of kubuntu 6.10, it gets no errors durring boots, and when it starts I dont get a log in screen, just a blank desktop
[02:54] <LeeJunFan> woohoo! my mailserver made it :) up 365 days, 21:12
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> reydelsillon: try this link: http://blog.ryaneby.com/archives/firefox-protocol-handlers/
[02:55] <Gh0st75> hi folks
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> people can say what they want about ubuntu not being a good distro for servers, but that uptime speaks for itself :) Breezy needs updated though :)
[02:56] <reydelsillon> thanks
[02:56] <soulrider_> LeeJunFan: breezy is dead
[02:56] <Daisuke_Ido> MajorApus: not really sure
[02:56] <Gh0st75> anyone know how i can get wireless working on my c2d intel mcbook, with feisty installed? i read that i need ndiswrapper installed but i tried some commands i found and the files can't be found
[02:56] <MajorApus> whould it be a hardware issue?  another thing, ctrl alt f1 or ctrl shift f1, i've tried both I forget which does it, doesn't give me a new console window
[02:57] <HaSH> ok this file seems to not exist on my system. how can i find it. im looking at it in konqueror but slocate and locate says it doesnt. i did use updatedb before i used the locate
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> soulrider_: yeah, I know, that's why I need to get it updated now.
[02:57] <reydelsillon> I have no experience with torrent. does hat program funcion better on linux than amule?
[02:57] <Daisuke_Ido> ctrl-alt-f1 should drop you to a tty
[02:57] <korrx> ctrl alt f1 - f6
[02:57] <Daisuke_Ido> reydelsillon: oh lord yes.
[02:57] <MajorApus> well it doesn't do anything
[02:57] <soulrider_> LeeJunFan: right now im not using ubuntu, but ill check out feisty
[02:57] <soulrider_> i did install kubuntu on my dads PC though
[02:57] <reydelsillon> can you direct me to any site as http://sharethefiles.com/forum/index.php but for torrents?
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> reydelsillon: PM
[02:58] <soulrider_> reydelsillon: torrents are better than emule
[02:58] <soulrider_> and dont come looking for illegal stuff here :P
[02:58] <LeeJunFan> soulrider_: well, this being a server it's not got a GUI, so ubuntu/kubuntu doesn't matter. no difference.
[02:58] <reydelsillon> pm=?
[02:58] <soulrider_> yeah LeeJunFan
[02:59] <MajorApus> so what should I do, fresh install on high end hardware, doesn't work
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> private message
[02:59] <reydelsillon> ok im gonna try this torrent thing. :) what is the best application fo kubuntu?
[02:59] <soulrider_> MajorApus: care to elaborate ? :P
[02:59] <soulrider_> reydelsillon: kubuntu brings ktorrent, but i dont like it
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> !ktorrent
[02:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktorrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:59] <soulrider_> actually, the only windows app i use in utorrent, a torrent client :P
[02:59] <HaSH> see look at this. locate cant find it yet its there. i need to find this other 3.7 GIG part of a file. : root@KernelHack:~# locate mandriva-* | grep -i spring
[02:59] <HaSH> root@KernelHack:~# ls /Storage2/ | grep -i spring
[02:59] <HaSH> mandriva-linux-2007-spring-free-dvd-i586.iso
[02:59] <Gh0st75> so any ideas how i can get ndiswrapper installed if there's no internet conx to download ndiswrapper-utils-1.8
[02:59] <soulrider_> deluge is good, but not good enough yet
[03:00] <MajorApus> I installed kubuntu 6.10 with alternate install disk, that was after 7.04 and 6.10 live cd failed (in the same way that the installed version now fails)  when it boots It gets to a blank gui desktop with just a cursor
[03:00] <soulrider_> Gh0st75: download from another PC and take it there ?
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> ktorrent is actually pretty decent, latest version is close to utorrent
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> there's also azureus
[03:00] <soulrider_> Daisuke_Ido: its the interface i dont like much
[03:00] <soulrider_> azureus us a hog
[03:00] <MajorApus> i get better results with utorrent
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider_: no argument there
[03:01] <Gh0st75> ok, will try downloading it and putting it on a fat32 drive for linux access
[03:01] <MajorApus> my lan packet shapes pretty hard core
[03:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i've had no problems with ktorrent right now, especially with non-default ports
[03:01] <MajorApus> I do know my onboard lan chipset isn't supported "out of the box"
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> MajorApus: this screams hardware error
[03:02] <MajorApus> hardware support? or error?
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> nothing on two live cds, and the same problem with an install from the alt cd
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> supprt
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> video card?
[03:02] <MajorApus> 7800gt
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that shouldn't be a problem
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> um...  i doubt it would choke like that with the onboard lan
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> any other unconventional hardware?
[03:04] <MajorApus>  CHAINTECH AV-710 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Card
[03:04] <MajorApus> envy chipset soundcard?
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> don't know, but at worst, you wouldn't have sound
[03:04] <MajorApus> onbaord audio is also not supported by any os "out of the box"
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> probably not that
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> is in kubuntu (well, it's a realtek chipset)
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> not spectacular by any means
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> but it works, and works well
[03:05] <MajorApus> this is the mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128015
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[03:08] <MajorApus> while I am here, how do you use ls to show only a screen worth of information and then have you hit a button to page down
[03:08] <Kyral> ls | less
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> ls | yeah what he said
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> you're quick.
[03:08] <MajorApus> oh right I forgot, because less is more
[03:08] <Kyral> (In general, <any command> | less)
[03:08] <Kyral> You have no idea....
[03:08] <Kyral> less replaced more ;P
[03:08] <MajorApus> I learned that a few years ago in my freshmen aero class
[03:09] <Red_Tear> hi guys
[03:09] <MajorApus> what should happen when it boots?  I see the "X" then a blue backround, then a cursor, next should be login prompt?
[03:09] <Gh0st75> ok, i have ndiswrapper downloaded, anyone know the syntax to get that installed in feisty as to allow my macbook wireless access?
[03:10] <HaSH> is there any reason that updatedb wouldnt update? i run it yet i cant find files im looking at...
[03:10] <HaSH> its like its not working.
[03:10] <Gh0st75> just sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 ?
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: it may be setup to not crawl certain dirs.
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> HaSH: and if user nobody (which it runs as) can't see them they won't be included.
[03:11] <MajorApus> shouldn't a fresh instal simply work?  I thought that was the whole idea
[03:11] <HaSH> LeeJunFan, hmm its always just worked i use updatedb && locat
[03:11] <N0Lif3|lappy> I'm worried, kdesysguard is telling me I only have 187MB of ram. before, I had 224MB of ram. what's going on?
[03:12] <N0Lif3|lappy> Hostname: n30lif3 - OS: Linux 2.6.17-11-generic/i686 - CPU: Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU         1333MHz (1333.539 MHz) - Processes: 92 - Uptime: 4h 3m - Load Average: 0.22 - Memory Usage: 98.72MB/186.48MB (52.94%) - Disk Usage: 3.90GB/27.28GB (14.30%)
[03:12] <HaSH> eh well i dont get this. i now how 2 3.7 gig file floating around
[03:12] <HaSH> and i *cant* find them
[03:13] <MajorApus> is there another room that might be able to help me?
[03:14] <Daisuke_Ido> HaSH: tried find?
[03:14] <Mystikk> MajorApus. i have had that a lot
[03:14] <MajorApus> the no login?
[03:14] <Mystikk> my problem has been video drivers not picking something suitable
[03:14] <HaSH> Daisuke_Ido, i need one that will search every folder on the system as i dont know where they are
[03:14] <ferger> how do i open more repositories?
[03:14] <Mystikk> ya, totally
[03:15] <Mystikk> i am running an older nvidia with a 17" widescreen LCD
[03:15] <MajorApus> but the cursor is responsive and the screen has no graphical errors
[03:15] <MajorApus> 7800 gt 1280x1024
[03:15] <Mystikk> yes, but its in text mode ?
[03:15] <Mystikk> not showing a logn screen?
[03:15] <MajorApus> text mode?
[03:15] <MajorApus> blue backround, with a cursor
[03:16] <Mystikk> ya, thats what i meant
[03:16] <MajorApus> nothing else on the screen
[03:16] <Mystikk> it boots if you hit esc and select ... whatever choice #2 is .. the recovery mode thingy?
[03:16] <MajorApus> yes to a root prompt
[03:16] <Mystikk> ok so likely a video issue of some sort
[03:16] <chemicalvamp> how do you run crossfire?
[03:17] <MajorApus> that would make sense, but I'm using a common card at a common resolution
[03:17] <Mystikk> umm .. i went thru all sorts of hell, i had to fix my xorg.conf everytime
[03:17] <Mystikk> umm, thinking
[03:17] <Mystikk> hang on a sec, i am also working :/
[03:18] <HaSH> i even tried ls -R / | grep -i string
[03:18] <HaSH> nothing.
[03:18] <Red_Tear> Ok Im searching for a backup programm... but it should be able to do the things i will no describe:
[03:18] <Mystikk> what i did for the short term was go to the nv driver rather than the nvidia driver
[03:18] <Mystikk> in xorg.conf
[03:18] <Mystikk> its working now, in feisty with a very new nvidia driver
[03:19] <MajorApus> I barely know what xorg.conf is
[03:19] <Mystikk> ow, ok
[03:19] <Mystikk> i am probably not your best bet to ask
[03:19] <MajorApus> and it might not be worth the effort, I was gonna switch from xp to kubuntu, but I havn't even gotten to the log in screen of a live cd
[03:19] <Mystikk> but this happens to me in regular ubuntu as well as kubuntu
[03:19] <Mystikk> so maybe there is a better person in #ubuntu
[03:19] <Shootfast> MajorApus: whats the problem
[03:20] <Red_Tear> copy a full disc image from one HDD to another, but strongly compromized. If i ever need it I want just have to use the same programm or sthg to make it on a new HDD and be able to boot from it
[03:20] <MajorApus> 6.10 7.04 live cd and alternate 6.10 all do the same thing
[03:20] <ledemente> Hi all. Anyone know of a KDE alternative to Audacity?
[03:20] <MajorApus> when x starts I get a blue desktop backround, a mouse cursor, and thats it, it stops there
[03:20] <ledemente> I'm looking for mostly the same features... without the crashing.
[03:20] <ledemente> Or freezing. xd
[03:21] <Shootfast> MajorApus: can you click ctrl-alt-f1 and type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:21] <MajorApus> ledemente: http://osswin.sourceforge.net/#audioeditingtools
[03:21] <MajorApus> I'll try, this is my only machine so brb
[03:22] <chemicalvamp> i installed the game "crossfire-client" but i cant seem to find out how to launch it
[03:23] <ledemente> Hrm... none of those are KDE.
[03:23] <Red_Tear> is it fair? those kiddys ever have the newest hardware and anything and we geeks dont have any money and running a this old machine, with some very unusual fixes we made even at the hardware? ;)
[03:24] <Mystikk> this old geek has medium old stuff :P
[03:24] <Mystikk> btw, hi, i am Myst, I am an old geekgrrl
[03:24] <Leon> hello all
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't say i have an *old* system
[03:24] <Shootfast> this young geek has new flashy stuff
[03:24] <Rictoo> how do I install beryl on kubuntu? =p
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> but certainly not top of the line
[03:24] <Rictoo> ~beryl
[03:24] <Shootfast> Rictoo: what version
[03:24] <Rictoo> ..
[03:24] <Rictoo> Kubuntu 6.10
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Rictoo: two questions.  what version, and what video card?
[03:24] <Rictoo> Radeon 9200
[03:24] <Leon> i'm trying to install Kubuntu on my new laptop but it errors ne1 know why?
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[03:25] <Gh0st75> does anyone know how i can get wireless working in feisty on my c2d macbook? i have ndiswrapper installed using my osx partition
[03:25] <Rictoo> Thanks, Daisuke_Ido
[03:25] <Shootfast> Rictoo: what graphics card
[03:25] <Rictoo> I said, Radeon 9200
[03:25] <Gh0st75> er downloaded i mean, not installed
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Leon: you're gonna have to come a little more specific than that
[03:25] <Shootfast> go to Daisuke_Ido's link, he was faster :P
[03:25] <Rictoo> =p
[03:26] <Leon> Daisuke_Ido: it sector errors like a dozen times then just stops i let it set for about 10 min though.
[03:26] <Rictoo> WTF
[03:26] <Rictoo> IT SAYS I DON'T HAVE DIRECT RENDERING
[03:26] <Daisuke_Ido> o_O
[03:26] <Rictoo> But I got the ATI official drivers!!
[03:26] <Daisuke_Ido> ouch
[03:26] <Rictoo> I used to have the other drivers, and I DID have direct rendering
[03:26] <Daisuke_Ido> to both of you
[03:26] <Rictoo> but now that I get the official ones, I DONT!???
[03:26] <Daisuke_Ido> fglrx?
[03:27] <Rictoo> I thikn so
[03:27] <Daisuke_Ido> or whatever the weird acronym is
[03:27] <Rictoo> THink*
[03:27] <Leon> ???
[03:27] <[pyro] > !nvidia
[03:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:27] <Daisuke_Ido> Leon: sector errors how?  like...  when paritioning?
[03:27] <Rictoo> I just don't see why the official drivers aren't good...
[03:27] <Red_Tear> u know like my video card fan dont work, and i made a nomore needed case fan under it and with a empty toilet paper roll, a empty cappuchino package and much sticky tape it works to cool it down nice^^
[03:27] <Rictoo> OMFG
[03:27] <Rictoo> ITS NALIOTH
[03:27] <Rictoo> hi
[03:28] <Daisuke_Ido> because if that's the case, that sounds like your hard drive is the spawn of the devil
[03:28] <Shootfast> Rictoo: Coz ATI hate their customers
[03:28] <Rictoo> :(
[03:28] <Leon>  no when trying to start the installer
[03:28] <Daisuke_Ido> reboot and use the "check cd for errors" option
[03:28] <Leon>  ...
[03:29] <Leon>  ok
[03:29] <Leon>  brb
[03:29] <Daisuke_Ido> Shootfast: that they do
[03:29] <Daisuke_Ido> nvidia :D
[03:29] <Gh0st75> no ideas on how to use ndiswrapper for wireless?
[03:29] <freez> the dapper is not detecting my network adapater here is the lspci output http://pastebin.ca/445700 anyone can help fixing this real annoying problem please ?
[03:30] <Mystikk> like beryl runs just FINE on my 64MB ancient nvidia that cost me $20
[03:30] <Mystikk> but i cant get it runnin on my radeon 9600 or something like that under fedeora
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper/edgy
[03:30] <Mystikk> thats the other puter
[03:31] <Mystikk> so, my cheapass nvidia is so much better just because its supported
[03:31] <Gh0st75> would the steps be the same for feisty as edgy?
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> in theory
[03:31] <Gh0st75> k, will have a look, thanks
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/03/18/how-to-configure-wireless-on-a-macbook-using-ndiswrapper/
[03:33] <Daisuke_Ido> Mystikk: i originally built this as a windows pc for midrange gaming
[03:33] <Daisuke_Ido> and now i find it's actually a little overpowered
[03:33] <Mystikk> its great eh?
[03:33] <Mystikk> this is a P4 1.8, 1 GB ram
[03:33] <Daisuke_Ido> it would be dragging the bottom of the barrel if i were still using windows, but it's nice and zippy here
[03:33] <Mystikk> snappy it is
[03:33] <Mystikk> oh tell me about that
[03:33] <Daisuke_Ido> granted, i'm a little ahead on the processor
[03:33] <Daisuke_Ido> an x2 3800+
[03:33] <Red_Tear> reality is so dammed ^^
[03:33] <Daisuke_Ido> socket 939
[03:34] <Mystikk> and with Vista ... the unmentionable
[03:34] <Mystikk> ow, better than my big machine
[03:34] <Red_Tear> no shops open if u need them ;)
[03:34] <Mystikk> my FC6 box
[03:34] <frank227a> How large should a swap partition be?
[03:34] <Mystikk> AMD 3000+
[03:34] <Daisuke_Ido> frank227a: 1.5 - 2x your physical ram
[03:34] <Mystikk> on a 754 board
[03:34] <Mystikk> 1 GB RAM again, and that Radeon that keeps puking on me
[03:35] <Mystikk> and my notebook is running edgy
[03:35] <MajorApus> okay so I did the dpkg reconfigure, it asked me a lot of questions that it already knew all the answers too
[03:35] <frank227a> What command will give me the exact size of the harddrive?
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> Mystikk: i got this just after the big price drop last year, new mobo, pci-e 7600, and processor cost me $300
[03:35] <Mystikk> wow, lucky you
[03:35] <Shootfast> frank227a: as large as neccesary
[03:35] <MajorApus> then when I boot I get a command prompt login screen, but I never even got to the point of setting up a user
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> frank227a: df
[03:35] <Shootfast> frank227a: usually around the size of your ram
[03:36] <Mystikk> notebook is a p4m 2.4 w/ 768 MB Ram, and the radeon IGP wont do beryl, but its very solid machine
[03:36] <Daisuke_Ido> wait, that will only do mounted partitions
[03:36] <MajorApus> is there a default username and password?
[03:36] <frank227a> I'm making a dual boot system.  What is the average amount of space needed for ubuntu 20 -30 gigs?
[03:37] <Rictoo> how would I go about uninstall fglrx?
[03:37] <Rictoo> how would I go about uninstalling fglrx?
[03:37] <Daisuke_Ido> frank227a: i would say 20 would be more than enough, if you're using a vfat partition to store non-os-specific stuff (video, music, whatever)
[03:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Rictoo: absolutely no clue.  Mystikk?  any idea?  you're the ati person at the moment
[03:38] <frank227a> Daisuke_Ido: vfat?  Is that a mountable parition?
[03:38] <frank227a> Daisuke_Ido: That would be something that I could add in the future correct?
[03:38] <Daisuke_Ido> frank227a: fat32, same thing, and you can read/write to it just as well in linux as in windows
[03:38] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[03:38] <frank227a> Daisuke_Ido: Ok.  Thank you.
[03:38] <Daisuke_Ido> say, if you add another hard drive
[03:38] <Rictoo> how would I go about uninstalling fglrx?
[03:38] <Rictoo> -.-'
[03:38] <Rictoo> anyone? =/
[03:39] <MajorApus> default username and pasword anyone?  from oem alternate installer
[03:39] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu. no password
[03:39] <Rictoo> ok
[03:39] <Rictoo> Daisuke_Ido, a question
[03:39] <Rictoo> let's say I uninstall fglrx
[03:39] <Daisuke_Ido> mmhmm?
[03:39] <Rictoo> will it use another backup driver?
[03:39] <Daisuke_Ido> it should drop to the vesa driver
[03:39] <Rictoo> or whenever I reboot will I get stuck without loading xserver :)
[03:39] <Rictoo> ok
[03:39] <Rictoo> good <3
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> vesa's the fallback driver for about everything
[03:40] <frank227a> Anyone familiar with steps I may have to take if I install windows xp on another partition of the drive in a few days?
[03:40] <Rictoo> frank227a
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[03:40] <frank227a> Do I have to rerun grub or something like that?
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> install windows first.
[03:40] <Rictoo> yeah
[03:40] <Rictoo> that's all you have to di
[03:40] <Rictoo> I did it
[03:40] <frank227a> Daisuke_Ido: I do not have the windows CD now.
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> it does NOT like being on anything but the first partition of the first drive
[03:41] <Daisuke_Ido> you'd have to install windows then reinstall kubuntu afaik
[03:41] <frank227a> Daisuke_Ido: Ok.  Can I install linux to the second partition and keep the first on free for windows?
[03:41] <Daisuke_Ido> i...  don't know.
[03:41] <frank227a> Anyone else have a suggestion on that?
[03:42] <Mystikk> not a firm one
[03:42] <frank227a> Ok.  Let me do some googling before I install this.
[03:42] <Daisuke_Ido> once you install windows on that first partition, it's going to take over the bootloader, so you'd have to use the live cd to reinstall grub, if that works, and i'm not saying it does, because i've never tried it
[03:42] <MajorApus> so that default password didn't work
[03:43] <frank227a> Daisuke_Ido: Ok.  That is what I was thinking.  Using the livecd to reset grub.
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> MajorApus: is this an installed or live session?
[03:43] <MajorApus> installed
[03:43] <gugu^> please help to install this http://outkastsolutions.co.za/outkast/
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> then no, there's no default password
[03:43] <MajorApus> so then how do I login?
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> MajorApus: you use the username and password you created during installation
[03:44] <MajorApus> It never asked for a username and password
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> when installing the os, it never asked you to create a user
[03:45] <frank227a> BBL
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> that...  could be part of the problem
[03:45] <MajorApus> at what point would it have?
[03:45] <MajorApus> I did OEM instal
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> OEM?
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> ...why?
[03:45] <MajorApus> it sounded better than text install
[03:46] <MajorApus> I would have just used the live cd  but it does the same thing
[03:47] <Daisuke_Ido> try the text install
[03:47] <Daisuke_Ido> it's still a series of menus, just in text mode, rather than purty graphics
[03:47] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still calling hardware problem though
[03:47] <MajorApus> 7800 gt?
[03:47] <MajorApus> if thats a problem then this is a joke
[03:47] <Daisuke_Ido> not necessarily video
[03:48] <Daisuke_Ido> but something is NOT right
[03:48] <Daisuke_Ido> do you have onboard video?
[03:48] <MajorApus> no
[03:48] <MajorApus> I actually sucesfully installed osx86 on this
[03:48] <MajorApus> hardware is pretty common
[03:49] <Daisuke_Ido> something somewhere is choking and i have no idea why
[03:49] <ferger> i get audio but no video on some .mpg videos
[03:49] <Daisuke_Ido> ferger: check codecs
[03:49] <MrChips> Ok, problem: KDM no longer allows me to log in, it bounces me back.  So I went to try startx instead, it boots up grey xwindows but only the mouse, keyboard dies completely.
[03:49] <MajorApus> wouldn't I get some sort of error during boot?
[03:49] <frank227a> Any idea how to compress an entire directory and its sub directories?
[03:50] <MrChips> I have tried checking the KDM/X logs and all I find is a reference to a redundant misc fonts (which I removed to no avail) and some directories not mentioned in xorg.conf
[03:50] <MajorApus> interesting, mrchips is having the same problem
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> MajorApus: possible, if you can check /var/log/boot
[03:51] <MajorApus> how often would the live cd not work?
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> not often
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> it's the primary installation method, and fails pretty rarely
[03:51] <MajorApus> I have 7.04 and 6.10, both checked with the self check, and both fail in the same way
[03:52] <[pyro] > hmm just upgraded to feisty
[03:52] <[pyro] > it bitched about nvidia because i had used envy to install the nvidia drivers. So i removed envy / drivers and re-ran the upgrade script and everything went ok.
[03:52] <[pyro] > just had to do nvidia by hand to get x working again
[03:53] <MajorApus> what would be the standard thing to do once the live cd fails to fully boot
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> MajorApus: tried booting the livecd in vga mode?
[03:53] <MajorApus> I'll try that, what version would you recomend, 7.04 or 6.10
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> might as well go 7.04
[03:54] <MajorApus> while I do this, something to think about, mrchips is having the same symptom, when x starts he gets a cursor and keyboard dies
[04:00] <frank227a> Anyone know the proper command to archive a directory?  I tried tar -c evolution ~/.evolution
[04:00] <frank227a> It spits stuff all over the terminal screen.
[04:00] <Kubuntu-noob> does anyone know if the root password is LOL
[04:00] <Kubuntu-noob> * know what it is I mean
[04:01] <TehWuzyl> noob: by default, I believe it's not set. You use sudo [something]  to set it.
[04:01] <Red_Tear> Kubuntu-noob: which OS was u using before?
[04:01] <Red_Tear> urgs
[04:01] <Kubuntu-noob> Just installed an old version on my thinkpad 5.04
[04:01] <TehWuzyl> passwd
[04:01] <BloodyTux> ITS FINISHED!!!
[04:02] <TehWuzyl> so sudo passwd ... do a "man passwd" to get the syntax.
[04:02] <[pyro] > hmm
[04:02] <Daisuke_Ido> there IS no root password in ubuntu for a reason.
[04:02] <BloodyTux> i'm in 7.04 and its not crashing :)
[04:02] <Rictoo> What's the recommended driver for a Radeon 9200?
[04:02] <Daisuke_Ido> BloodyTux: congrats
[04:02] <[pyro] > the edgy -> feisty upgrade dies if you are using Envy to config nvidia / ati drivers.
[04:02] <Kubuntu-noob> ok thanks
[04:02] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: you don't need root password, use your own password instead
[04:02] <BloodyTux> :D
[04:02] <frank227a> Anyone familiar with tar?
[04:03] <frank227a> I tried tar -cf evolution.tar ~/.evolution
[04:03] <BloodyTux> i feel special :)
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> it's that sticky stuff that's out in california, right?
[04:03] <[pyro] > removing the drivers and envy fix's it, and installing them by hand gets x working again :)
[04:03] <Tm_T> BloodyTux: why?
[04:03] <frank227a> Doesn't work to tar the directory.
[04:03] <Kubuntu-noob> so the user I created when I installed is root?
[04:03] <TehWuzyl> frank227a: you may have the right command, but need to redirect it to an output file.
[04:03] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: no but does have supercowpowers with sudo
[04:03] <BloodyTux> Tm_T: i got 7.04 beta to work finally
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> Kubuntu-noob: no, but it has superuser privileges
[04:03] <Tm_T> BloodyTux: and?
[04:03] <Rictoo> What's the recommended driver for a Radeon 9200?
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> man he's quick.
[04:03] <TehWuzyl> add "> outputfile" to the command which spits junk all over the screen.
[04:03] <BloodyTux> Tm_T: that's it...
[04:03] <BloodyTux> :)
[04:04] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: I'm old and slow, and old, and usually angry
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> i've noticed
[04:04] <Tm_T> BloodyTux: nah, been using Feisty for ages without problems
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> but you type fast
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> and that's what matters.
[04:04] <BloodyTux> cool. i still feel special :)
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> either that or i've got a lag problem on my end
[04:04] <Mystikk> Feisty has been berry good to me so far!
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> i finally decided to hold out on feisty
[04:05] <Mystikk> am most impressed,this gets easier and easier every time i install
[04:05] <BloodyTux> i like it. i don't see much of a difference though
[04:05] <Tm_T> BloodyTux: upgrade or clean install?
[04:05] <Mystikk> about 50x easier than a winstal, which i do at least5 times a week
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> oh god yes
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> i despise windows installation :\
[04:06] <BloodyTux> upgrade
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> hasn't changed in a decage
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> decade, even
[04:06] <TehWuzyl> No hunting for drivers on Ubuntu. *nods*
[04:06] <Mystikk> havent tried an upgrade yet
[04:06] <thefirstdude> how to setup nvidia
[04:06] <Tm_T> BloodyTux: ok then you don't have much new goodies ;)
[04:06] <_Ace2016_> just me or is feisty faster than edgy?
[04:06] <Tm_T> !nvidia | thefirstdude
[04:06] <BloodyTux> :(
[04:06] <ubotu> thefirstdude: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:06] <Mystikk> it boots more quickly
[04:06] <Tm_T> Ace2016: it is
[04:06] <BloodyTux> whats newfor upgrade?
[04:06] <Mystikk> a LOT more quickly
[04:07] <BloodyTux> how do i add my self to root group? i'm tired of sudo...
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> now i need to figure out why dvdshrink will no longer work under wine :\
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> BloodyTux: bad idea.
[04:07] <BloodyTux> :(
[04:07] <_Ace2016_> BloodyTux: just stop sudo asking for a password
[04:07] <BloodyTux> how?
[04:07] <_Ace2016_> edit /etc/sudoers
[04:08] <BloodyTux> :)
[04:08] <Mystikk> oh, thanks, i didnt know that either
[04:08] <BloodyTux> how do i edit that without root powers...
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> me either
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> BloodyTux: sudo :P
[04:08] <Mystikk> sudo nana
[04:08] <Mystikk> oops nano /etc/sudoers i assume
[04:08] <BloodyTux> ... using sudo to get rid of sudo... oh the irony
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> isn't it great?
[04:08] <_Ace2016_> YourUsername ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL     <<< add that
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> you're not getting rid of sudo, you're getting rid of it asking for a password
[04:09] <BloodyTux> ace: huh?
[04:09] <Tm_T> well you should never straight edit sudoers
[04:09] <BloodyTux> how do i do it then?
[04:09] <Mystikk> ya, larn me pls
[04:10] <Tm_T> !sudo
[04:10] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:10] <Tm_T> see? "for all information" ;)
[04:11] <_Ace2016_> YourUsername ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL     <<< well thats what i added at the end of /etc/sudoers, now i never hate to type in a password when i do something like sudp apt-get update, or run the update manager
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm risking my neck here, but i'm fighting the urge to say "Yes grandpa!  tell us the story of how the user defeated the awful sudo!"
[04:11] <BloodyTux> lol
[04:11] <Tm_T> Ace2016: visudo is "secured" command for editing sudoers
[04:11] <Tm_T> Ace2016: IIRC for reason
[04:11] <Kubuntu-noob> so something like sudo -u root passwd root
[04:12] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: err?
[04:12] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: no, you don't need password for root
[04:12] <Kubuntu-noob> it wouldn't let me do passwd root
[04:12] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: why you need it?
[04:12] <_Ace2016_> Kubuntu-noob: sudo -s then your password
[04:12] <BloodyTux> kded: cannot connect to X server :0
[04:12] <BloodyTux> DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-5620' to 'kded'
[04:12] <BloodyTux> kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed.
[04:12] <Kubuntu-noob> said i can't view or change that info
[04:13] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: what info?
[04:13] <BloodyTux> thats what i got with running kate in terminal
[04:13] <Kubuntu-noob> cause I want to config my wifi
[04:13] <_Ace2016_> BloodyTux: run kdesu kate, as your user
[04:13] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: well use sudo
[04:13] <Kubuntu-noob> and it asks for root password
[04:13] <Tm_T> not root
[04:13] <Kubuntu-noob> login as sudo?
[04:14] <_Ace2016_> Kubuntu-noob: how are you trying to get to the config thing?
[04:14] <Kubuntu-noob> or call the wifi config with the command sudo
[04:14] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: no, as your normal user, "sudo command" for running command as root
[04:14] <Kubuntu-noob> it's from a gui menu
[04:14] <Kubuntu-noob> I think it gives the command tho
[04:14] <BloodyTux> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[04:14] <_Ace2016_> Kubuntu-noob: then type in your user's password
[04:14] <BloodyTux> can i uncomment the part below it
[04:14] <BloodyTux> ?
[04:14] <Tm_T> BloodyTux: no need to
[04:15] <BloodyTux> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:15] <BloodyTux> whats the % then
[04:15] <Kubuntu-noob> so is the root password a secret?
[04:15] <BloodyTux> there is no root passwd
[04:15] <BloodyTux> ...
[04:15] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: there is no password for root as default
[04:15] <Kubuntu-noob> This CD somebody gave me
[04:15] <BloodyTux> i set one on accident... how do i reset that too
[04:16] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: that means, no active root account, so your account (with sudo) is "root"
[04:16] <_Ace2016_> Kubuntu-noob: However if that does not work, try this, go to the menu item, right click, select put in run dialogue, now add "kdesu " to the front of the command so it will be "kdesu command" then click run, then type in your user's password
[04:16] <Kubuntu-noob> He could have put his password on there.  What do you call that when you customize a distro
[04:16] <melkor> does anybody here run xterm.
[04:16] <Kubuntu-noob> my password workd
[04:16] <Tm_T> melkor: sure some of us
[04:16] <_Ace2016_> melkor: most people run konsole
[04:17] <BloodyTux> konsole rocks
[04:17] <Tm_T> melkor: doing some poll?
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> yakuake here :)
[04:17] <_Ace2016_> he is starting a terminal war!
[04:17] <Mystikk> konsole here
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> if he's actually asking if people use the command line, i think that's a big resounding "well duh!"
[04:17] <BloodyTux> joey ALL=NOPASSWD so like that?
[04:17] <melkor> I just wanted to set a color scheme
[04:17] <melkor> No console is a little ... heavey
[04:18] <Tm_T> melkor: never done that with xterm
[04:18] <Tm_T> melkor: btw, don't ask to ask, just ask
[04:18] <rfarias> hello, how can i update my feisty beta to final release????
[04:18] <rfarias> or just with sudo aptitude update?
[04:18] <melkor> did I ask to ask?
[04:18] <Tm_T> rfarias: just like you update in normal use
[04:18] <Tm_T> melkor: yes
[04:18] <rfarias> thanks XD
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> um...  is final out already?
[04:18] <BloodyTux> no
[04:18] <Mystikk> i dont think for another 2 days
[04:18] <BloodyTux> a couple more days
[04:19] <Kubuntu-noob> your right!  I am root!
[04:19] <Rictoo> OMG
[04:19] <Rictoo> OMG
[04:19] <Tm_T> melkor: "does anyone... I should... how I" so third question is what you can ask rightaway
[04:19] <Rictoo> I FUCKED UP xorg.conf AND THE COMPUTER WOULDN'T START XSERVER
[04:19] <Rictoo> AND I FIXED IYT
[04:19] <Rictoo> AND I FIXED IT!
[04:19] <Jucato> !caps
[04:19] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[04:19] <Mystikk> YAY
[04:19] <Rictoo> I AM SO PROUD!!!!
[04:19] <rfarias> this saturday we celebrate the "latin american party of free softwares" i'm very proud of that XD
[04:19] <Mystikk> congratulations
[04:19] <Rictoo> =D
[04:19] <melkor> I want a color scheme for xterm, I always leave something unreadable.
[04:19] <Kubuntu-noob> sorry for shouting
[04:19] <Rictoo> I fixed my first Linux problem myself :D :D :D
[04:19] <BloodyTux> lol
[04:19] <rfarias> nice XD
[04:19] <BloodyTux> !lol
[04:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <BloodyTux> :)
[04:19] <korrx> Rictoo : nice
[04:19] <rfarias> hahahaa
[04:19] <Rictoo> =D
[04:19] <Mystikk> melkor: edit, preferences
[04:20] <Mystikk> ?
[04:20] <BloodyTux> ubotu is dumb
[04:20] <melkor> I have been searching but I haven't found a site
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is dumb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <BloodyTux> ...
[04:20] <Rictoo> ....
[04:20] <BloodyTux> hahahaha
[04:20] <Rictoo> LOL
[04:20] <shawn34> Hey guys, can't seem to burn mp3/mp4 to audio cd in K3b, says it can't handle the files.. any ideas?
[04:20] <Tm_T> kids, stop that nonsense noise
[04:20] <Mystikk> oh nice bot there
[04:20] <Tm_T> shawn34: install k3b-mp3 or similar
[04:20] <shawn34> lol
[04:20] <Jucato> shawn34: install libk3b2-mp3
[04:20] <BloodyTux> !botabuse | everyone
[04:20] <ubotu> everyone: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[04:21] <rfarias> install the correct plugin shawn34
[04:21] <shawn34> Thanks
[04:21] <Rictoo> direct rendering: Yes
[04:21] <Tm_T> Jucato: <3
[04:21] <Rictoo> I AM EVEN HAPPIER NOW :D: :D :D
[04:21] <Mystikk> fabbb
[04:21] <Tm_T> Rictoo: please stop
[04:21] <BloodyTux> !windows | everyone
[04:21] <ubotu> everyone: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[04:21] <Jucato> Rictoo: we know you are, but please drop the caps
[04:21] <Rictoo> Tm_T: I r excited
[04:21] <Rictoo> ok
[04:21] <Tm_T> Rictoo: we know it already ;)
[04:21] <Rictoo> i will talk like this now
[04:21] <Rictoo> ok/
[04:21] <korrx> :p
[04:21] <BloodyTux> !exit
[04:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:21] <Rictoo> i cant use shift
[04:22] <BloodyTux> i have to go
[04:22] <Rictoo> so if i wanna type a tounge i do ;p
[04:22] <Rictoo> lol
[04:22] <BloodyTux> bye peeps
[04:22] <Rictoo> BYE
[04:22] <BloodyTux> oh and rictoo...
[04:22] <Rictoo> lol
[04:22] <Rictoo> Yes? =D
[04:22] <BloodyTux> quit the monutain dew... ;)
[04:22] <Rictoo> :(
[04:22] <Jucato> "a tongue by any other case, upper or lower, will look the same"
[04:22] <Rictoo> WHY
[04:22] <Rictoo> I LIK IT
[04:22] <BloodyTux> bye :)
[04:22] <Rictoo> Jucato, hahaha
[04:22] <Rictoo> cya
[04:22] <melkor> What sort of editor do you need to edit the .Xauthority file?
[04:22] <Mystikk> bybbye
[04:23] <korrx> bb
[04:23] <melkor> Sorry wrong file ... never mind
[04:23] <korrx> $!God
[04:24] <dwidmann> "[22:22]  <BloodyTux> quit the monutain dew... ;)" :O
[04:24] <Kubuntu-noob> does the lates kubuntu have ndiswrapper allready in it?
[04:24] <thefirstdude> can I upgrade from Dapper to F... easily?
[04:24] <Tm_T> Kubuntu-noob: I assume no
[04:24] <Tm_T> thefirstdude: nope
[04:25] <Tm_T> thefirstdude: or, maybe
[04:25] <dwidmann> thefirstdude: might be easier to do a clean install, or a cd upgrade (requires the alternate disk)
[04:25] <Tm_T> thefirstdude: but I assume there will be more trouble than from Edgy to Feisty
[04:25] <shawn34> wow never thought i'd say this.... but i like KDE soooo much better than Gnome... I don't know how i lived without it lol
[04:26] <dwidmann> Tm_T: Edgy to feisty shouldn't be too bad with the new dist-upgrade tool, supposing that nothing goes wrong ...
[04:26] <dwidmann> (I wasn't so lucky, but other people seemed to have better luck with it than I did)
[04:26] <Tm_T> dwidmann: exactly =)
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i was kinda...  eh
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> it worked, with a little after-upgrade tweaking
[04:27] <dwidmann> When I did t he dist-upgrade it failed to download or install a handful of packages including but not limitted to the kernel.
[04:27] <apus> (this is major apus) so I got it working daisuke
[04:27] <Jucato> dwidmann: using the GUI dist-upgrade tool? (points to the topic)
[04:27] <apus> I used safe graphics mode, and it worked just fine (at 1280x1024x32) so I'm not sure what was so "safe" about it
[04:27] <dwidmann> Jucato: Yes
[04:27] <premier_> hello, I upgraded to fiesty and konqueror isn't working
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> apus: excellent
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> in vga mode, i assume
[04:28] <Jucato> hm...
[04:28] <dwidmann> that was weeks ago, of course
[04:28] <Tm_T> premier_: "doesn't work" means what in this case?
[04:28] <dwidmann> Maybe that has since been fixed
[04:28] <apus> depends, does vga mode mean vga selected int he list, or does choosing anything form the resolution list make it vga
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll rephrase, rather than vga mode, another mode.
[04:29] <apus> i hit f4 and vga was an option, but I chose the resolution 1280x1024x32
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> that means it's a video issue.  lord knows why it would be doing that...
[04:29] <apus> then I clicked run in safe graphics mode
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> apus: ah...  so far so good then
[04:30] <apus> and then it installed and it boots fine
[04:30] <Tm_T> Jucato: ok your turn I guess, I go to grab some breakfast and hopefully quick nap ->
[04:31] <premier_> Tm_T: sorry, it looks like that error fixed itself, but yesterday it was acting very strange, not showing toolbars and stuff.
[04:32] <Skrotffs> Can I run a certain cron-job manually (not executing the script my self, but having crontab execute it)?
[04:32] <apus> I guess it was a wierd fluke, it ran fine at the mode it should have used by default
[04:32] <premier_> Anyway, I'm also having trouble with an external hard drive.  I have it plugged in the usb port and its not showing up.  Its not mounted in media, I can't find an entry in /dev/, and lsusb does not list the device
[04:33] <apus> is there a good place for noob questions, I guess im trying to "convert" and no doubt I will have tons of questions
[04:34] <Mystikk> oh no!
[04:34] <Mystikk> i actually need w32codecs
[04:34] <Mystikk> noooo!
[04:34] <dwidmann> apus, this is a pretty good place for those questions
[04:35] <dwidmann> ubuntuforums.org isn't bad either
[04:35] <shawn34> i hate downloading the w32codecs.... it takes like 8 years lol
[04:35] <Kubuntu-noob> helped me out loads allready :)
[04:35] <dwidmann> shawn34: dialup?
[04:35] <Mystikk> i have to find them first, but etc
[04:35] <shawn34> lol
[04:35] <Mystikk> the forums are excellent
[04:35] <shawn34> no way man
[04:35] <shawn34> the server w32codecs are on is always draggn ass
[04:35] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[04:35] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[04:36] <Jucato> shawn34: that one?
[04:36] <dwidmann> shawn34: I think the mirror I use for getting w32codecs is people.virginia.edu or some such ... it wasn't too bad
[04:36] <pollyo1> Hello
[04:37] <Jucato> There's also http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/
[04:37] <dwidmann> hi
[04:37] <Kubuntu-noob> Thanks for the help all.  I gotta reboot now.
[04:38] <Kubuntu-noob> brb
[04:40] <premier_> does anyone have any ideas on my external hard drive?  I have it plugged in the usb port and its not showing up.  Its not mounted in media, I can't find an entry in /dev/, and lsusb does not list the device
[04:40] <kai_> when i got to update, I keep getting these key errors, what can I do to get rid of them so I can get updates from that repo?
[04:40] <melkor> does anybody know how I would go about configuring the terminal shell that kate runs?
[04:40] <premier_> would power cycling help?
[04:40] <afasilva> anyone from Brazil?
[04:41] <soulrider_> !br | afasilva
[04:41] <ubotu> afasilva: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[04:41] <soulrider_> !software
[04:41] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[04:42] <paul> is anyone able to help with a kde problem?
[04:42] <melkor> !kate
[04:42] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[04:42] <shawn34> premier_, your usb port working? maybe try booting up with the hd on and plugged in
[04:42] <stdin> !ask | paul
[04:42] <ubotu> paul: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:43] <paul> righto, kde seems to think my mp3 player is a camera
[04:44] <paul> it is a gigabeat that uses mtp, but before I had libmtp2 installed, I may have selected it to be a camera or whatever
[04:44] <melkor> maybe its a camera
[04:44] <paul> how can I make kde realize it is not a camera?
[04:45] <paul> melkor: despite what it thinks, it is not a camera
[04:45] <greg_g> but what if it is a camera?
[04:45] <paul> ... its not a camera
[04:45] <melkor> what does it mount it as?
[04:46] <paul> camera://Toshiba Gigabeat@[usb:004,007] /
[04:46] <pollyo1> paul: Doesn't KDE come up with a window that asks you want you want to do with the device?
[04:46] <apus> what opens .deb?
[04:47] <melkor> apus dpkg
[04:47] <Jucato> apus: right-click on it, select Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[04:47] <Jucato> (presuming it's a package you really want to install)
[04:47] <pollyo1> BBL...Restarting my new installation.  See you in a bit
[04:47] <apus> thanks jucato
[04:48] <apus> to bad it didn't work,
[04:48] <melkor> paul I was refering to the directory, ie does it mount it so that you can view the files on it?
[04:48] <Jucato> apus: what is it?
[04:48] <premier_> hello, my external hard drive issue remains.  I rebooted and its still not listed on lsusb
[04:48] <apus> it tried to install but it gave a dependency error, its automatix
[04:48] <Jucato> !automatix | apus
[04:48] <ubotu> apus: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[04:49] <Jucato> apus: I think there's an #automatix channel
[04:49] <stdin> god, you gotta hate that automatic stuff
[04:50] <paul> melkor: it's not showing as if it is mounted
[04:50] <kgx> !WorksForMe
[04:50] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[04:50] <paul> I can't seem to locate where it is mounted to be honest, I only get that kio address(media:/)
[04:50] <paul> * camera:/ that is
[04:51] <stdin> paul: look in /media
[04:51] <paul> stdin: its not listed in /media
[04:51] <korrx>  paul : you owned the last fbi mp3 player
[04:52] <melkor> paul try a ' ls /dev/sda*'
[04:52] <paul> melkor: no such file or directory
[04:53] <melkor> When you plug it in do you get a chance to 'open in new window' ?
[04:54] <premier_> my hard drive was working just a few hours ago with no problem.  Its a new hard drive, and now it doesn't show up in linux anywhere even though its plugged into the usb.
[04:54] <paul> melkor: yes, thats how I am looking at it now, but it isn't showing all the files that should be there and I do have it set to Show hidden files
[04:54] <melkor> from the command line type df
[04:54] <melkor> It would show where it is there and what device you are using
[04:56] <apus> I am using a 300g hd for the kubuntu install, it has a swap partition, my question is, should I use a partition for the os (around30g) and then leave the rest for data
[04:56] <Rictoo> I plugged in a USB thumb drive, and ubuntu detected it:
[04:56] <Rictoo> http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9048/snapshot2ru5.png
[04:56] <Rictoo> but it doesn't mount it
[04:56] <Rictoo> how would I mount i?
[04:56] <Rictoo> it*
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, open in new window mounts it
[04:56] <stdin> Rictoo: tried clicking "Open in New Window" ?
[04:57] <Rictoo> hitmanWilly, not for me :S
[04:57] <Rictoo> I clicked open in new window
[04:57] <Rictoo> but it doesn't do anything
[04:57] <Rictoo> nothing opens
[04:57] <Rictoo> ..
[04:57] <stdin> Rictoo: is it new?
[04:57] <Rictoo> is what new?
[04:57] <apus> how big should I leave the os only partition?
[04:58] <paul> melkor: it doesn't show up in that command
[04:58] <stdin> apus: you have a big HDD, so around 30GB, up to you tho. it's mostly going to be for apps you install
[04:58] <stdin> Rictoo: the usb drive
[04:58] <Rictoo> not really
[04:58] <Rictoo> lol
[04:59] <melkor> paul, but you can see some files on it from the window?
[04:59] <stdin> Rictoo: I mean new as in "used"
[04:59] <stdin> Rictoo: you may just need to format it
[04:59] <Rictoo> I formatted it as FAT32
[05:00] <stdin> Rictoo: does it show in /media ?
[05:00] <Rictoo> so how would I reformat it if it isn't even mounted?
[05:00] <Rictoo> stdin: No.
[05:00] <Dr_willis> you dont format a mounted partition.
[05:01] <Dr_willis> you unmount them, then mkfs.Whatever /dev/whatever
[05:01] <Rictoo> oh
[05:01] <Rictoo> ok
[05:01] <paul> melkor: yes
[05:01] <Rictoo> but the problem is I don't know where in /dev it is XD
[05:01] <korrx> !parted
[05:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about parted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:01] <Dr_willis> Rictoo,  try 'sudo fdisk -l'
[05:01] <flaccid> !info qtparted
[05:01] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 716 kB
[05:01] <korrx> yhx
[05:01] <korrx> thx
[05:02] <Rictoo> /dev/sda1   *           1       61024      976379+   b  W95 FAT32
[05:02] <melkor> paul, I dont know I was thinking if you knew the device name you could change what it is.
[05:03] <Rictoo> moparisthebest
[05:03] <paul> melkor: yeah, it would be nice to delete where ever it is stored that it thinks this device is a camera
[05:03] <Rictoo> What is the usb drive in /mount called on your computer?
[05:03] <Rictoo> oops
[05:03] <Rictoo> wrong channel =/
[05:04] <moparisthebest> this really is the right channel Rictoo, they know more than I do :)
[05:04] <moparisthebest> /mount/usbdisk is what mine is called Rictoo
[05:04] <Rictoo> =/
[05:04] <apus> what app can I use to partition
[05:04] <flaccid> hehe
[05:04] <paul> melkor: or just to make it think it was a usb flash drive as opposed to a camera, I am pretty sure because it thinks it is a camera it treats it differently anddoes not give the same options
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, something like usb20fd or the like
[05:04] <flaccid> !qtparted > apus
[05:04] <sparr> wtf is up with clamav having an HOURLY cron job that emails me to tell me that my installation is out of date?
[05:04] <melkor> paul, for older kde, like I had to use the fstab
[05:04] <moparisthebest> oh wait, it is /media/usbdisk Rictoo, sorry
[05:04] <melkor> paul, I think these guys are talking about what you need todo though.
[05:05] <premier_> Hi, I'm having trouble with my external hard drive.  my hard drive was working just a few hours ago with no problem.  Its a new hard drive as of today, and now it doesn't show up in linux anywhere even though its plugged into the usb.
[05:05] <flaccid> sparr: ask clamav
[05:05] <stdin> clamav = pointless (to me)
[05:05] <Rictoo> YAY
[05:05] <flaccid> premier_: does it show ub in lsusb ?
[05:05] <Rictoo> MY USB DRIVE IS MOUNTED :D FINALLY
[05:05] <premier_> flaccid: no
[05:05] <sparr> flaccid: no, ill ask the distro responsible for the package, since its not a clamav default
[05:05] <flaccid> w0a that hurt my ears
[05:06] <flaccid> premier_: check /var/log/messages , /var/log/syslog and dmesg for erros with the usb. if its not coming up in lsusb its not doing the first step of setting up the usb
[05:06] <flaccid> sparr: contact the package mantainer then
[05:06] <melkor> paul, like the 'sudo fdisk -l' command seemed to show unmounted devices.
[05:07] <melkor> good luck
[05:07] <flaccid> sparr: actually try #ubuntu-devel or send to the ubuntu devel mailing list too
[05:07] <flaccid> fdisk -l will list all parts on disk devices mounted or unmounted
[05:08] <stdin> sparr: ran "clamav-freshclam" ? it updates the virus list
[05:08] <paul> melkor: sudo fdisk -l didn't show it, it's as if it mounts it just when its in use and does not keep it mounted
[05:08] <Rictoo> how would I make kubuntu recognize a swap partition?
[05:09] <stdin> Rictoo: sudo  swapon /dev/swapdevice
[05:09] <flaccid> Rictoo: put it in /etc/fstab
[05:09] <Rictoo> ok, which one do I do XD
[05:09] <premier_> http://pastebin.ca/445823 <- my dmesg
[05:09] <stdin> either/either/both :p
[05:09] <peepsalot> why does kmix not show all the things that alsamixer can show
[05:10] <Rictoo> hmm
[05:10] <Rictoo> in /dev how do I know which one is swap? =/
[05:10] <Rictoo> I have 3 partitions
[05:10] <Rictoo> and there are 4 hda*
[05:10] <Rictoo> ,,,
[05:10] <Rictoo> I'm confused :S
[05:10] <stdin> Rictoo: "sudo fdisk -l" again, look for "swap"
[05:10] <Dr_willis> fdisk -l will show the swap partition as having the swap filesystem
[05:10] <peepsalot> sudo fdisk -l
[05:10] <Rictoo> ok
[05:11] <sparr> stdin: its complaining about the engine, not the definitions
[05:11] <Rictoo> found it :D
[05:11] <Rictoo> Thanks
[05:11] <Rictoo> guys
[05:11] <Rictoo> rictoo@rictoo-desktop:~$ sudo swapon /dev/hda3
[05:11] <Rictoo> swapon: /dev/hda3: Device or resource busy
[05:11] <apus> can qtparted resize without losing data?
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, that means its on already
[05:12] <stdin> Rictoo: you sure it's not already enabled?
[05:12] <Rictoo> ...
[05:12] <Rictoo> but
[05:12] <moparisthebest> it is supposed to be able to apus, doesn't always work :/
[05:12] <stdin> Rictoo: cat /proc/swaps
[05:12] <Rictoo> oh
[05:12] <Rictoo> It's already enabled
[05:12] <Rictoo> .........
[05:12] <moparisthebest> apus, what type of file system do you want to resize?
[05:12] <Rictoo> BUT THE COMPUTER IS SO SLOW :((
[05:12] <premier_> flaccid: do you see it?
[05:12] <flaccid> don't shout!
[05:12] <flaccid> do i see what
[05:12] <Rictoo> but the computer is so slow :99
[05:12] <Rictoo> is that better? :D
[05:13] <apus> the ext3 that kubuntu is on
[05:13] <Rictoo> /dev/hda3                               partition       514072  17564   -1
[05:13] <Rictoo> Why priority: -1 ?
[05:13] <Rictoo> Is that ok?
[05:13] <stdin> yeah
[05:13] <peepsalot> what are your hardware specs Rictoo?
[05:13] <Rictoo> peepsalot: Celeron 1.8ghz
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, swap files really don't speed anything up, they just act like extra ram
[05:13] <moparisthebest> it *should* be ok apus
[05:13] <Rictoo> 512mb ram
[05:13] <korrx> http://www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted
[05:14] <ScottLij_> Celeron sucks
[05:14] <Rictoo> ...
[05:14] <Rictoo> I know -.-
[05:14] <apus> I'm questioning how to actually tell it
[05:14] <premier_> flaccid: http://pastebin.ca/445827 <- tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog
[05:14] <premier_> flaccid: http://pastebin.ca/445823 <- my dmesg
[05:14] <peepsalot> if you are using much swap, then you might get a performance boost from adding some ram
[05:15] <peepsalot> physical RAM chips
[05:15] <apus> the resize tool is grayed out
[05:15] <peepsalot> Rictoo, you can also try xubuntu, it is leaner than KDE.  i have it running on one of my boxes
[05:15] <Rictoo> can linux use a usb flash drive as RAM?
[05:15] <Rictoo> Like ReadyBoost in Vista? :D
[05:15] <Rictoo> NO!
[05:15] <Rictoo> I'm not giving up KDE! <3
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Rictoo,  vista not using it as ram.. they are using it as a swapfile holder.
[05:16] <Rictoo> orly
[05:16] <Rictoo> ..
[05:16] <Rictoo> THEN THEY LIE
[05:16] <Dr_willis> in theory linux could do it also.. BUT on this box.. im not even using the swap partition..
[05:16] <Rictoo> lol
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, format it as swap and swapon it will do the same thing
[05:16] <apus> can qtparted resize the partition its currently boot from
[05:16] <Dr_willis> but also that ready boost thing is holding files to make booting faster for the most part i thought.
[05:16] <Rictoo> but what if I unplug the flash drive? :)
[05:16] <Rictoo> Bad things....
[05:16] <Dr_willis> apus,  resizing a mounted partition is not a good thing to do.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Rictoo,  i got a usb conector inside the case. :)  i can plug one in there.. and thus its not accesable normally
[05:17] <peepsalot> yeah i thought ready boost only worked on special hybrid hard drives that had flash built in
[05:17] <Rictoo> haha
[05:17] <Rictoo> nice
[05:17] <apus> thats just silly, partition magic can do it
[05:17] <Rictoo> yeah
[05:17] <Dr_willis> peepsalot,  i think thats somthing else.. heh.. but those drives are not out yet i think
[05:17] <Rictoo> <3 partition magic
[05:17] <apus> it never asked me during the install how big I wanted to OS partition
[05:17] <flaccid> premier_: i can't see any real errors. sorry i don't know what the problem is. can you pastebin lsusb for me out of curiosity
[05:18] <apus> can I do it from the live cd?
[05:18] <premier_> http://pastebin.ca/445832
[05:18] <Dr_willis> apus,  you are failing to understand the idea of mounted partitions then and why its a bad idea.. boot a live cd like the gparted live cd (a MUST have tool) and resize all ya want.
[05:18] <premier_> flaccid: http://pastebin.ca/445832
[05:18] <Dr_willis> apus,  i  the gparted live cd. is great for that. :) the kubuntu live cd can also do it.
[05:19] <Dr_willis> gparted cd is a little better. because its more minimal. and thus will boot faster.
[05:19] <flaccid> premier_: so you have 4 usb devices plugged in. the 4th one being the hdd is not coming up in lsusb?
[05:19] <Rictoo> I'm bored, I think I'll run cygwin-rxvt with wine
[05:19] <Rictoo> XD
[05:19] <premier_> flaccid: well, my wireless bluetooth isn't really a usb device
[05:19] <premier_> idk why thats listed
[05:20] <flaccid> what is the bluetooth?
[05:20] <flaccid> which connectivity protocol
[05:20] <k1mosabe> how do I stop kate from opening everything?
[05:20] <premier_> and I don't know what the second one is, I using a dell laptop
[05:20] <premier_> klm
[05:20] <flaccid> klm?
[05:20] <premier_> k1mosabe: you find a text file, right click on it where it says properties
[05:20] <flaccid> what brand is the actual hard disk and or ext. case?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> premier_,  could be the built in media-slot-reader things.
[05:21] <k1mosabe> premier_: it opens every file I try to download
[05:21] <premier_> flaccid: Its a seagate hard drive, and a new venus DS3
[05:21] <flaccid> premier_: and you tried all hubs?
[05:21] <paul> melkor: thanks for your help, I think I got it figured out, when it is plugged into the media dock it thinks its a camera, when I plug it directly into the player, it sees that it is also a storage device, thanks!
[05:21] <premier_> k1mosabe: where are you downloading from?  firefox?
[05:22] <premier_> flaccid: yeah
[05:22] <k1mosabe> konqueror
[05:22] <premier_> does konqueror have an embedded text editor?
[05:23] <Dr_willis> embeded?
[05:23] <Jucato> premier_: only an embedded text viewer
[05:23] <flaccid> premier_: weird. i don't know sorry, but i've seen this kind of behaviour before and when it happens, i plug a hub into one of the hubs and it works. nothing is showing up in df -h or fdisk -l or anything like that?
[05:23] <k1mosabe> i'm not trying to open text files.. i'm trying to download like .deb or .rpm yadda yadda
[05:23] <Dr_willis> k1mosabe,  ive seen some servers not send those sort of files properly. so the browser thinks they are text filkes.
[05:23] <flaccid> !associations
[05:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about associations - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:23] <premier_> fdisk -l?
[05:24] <flaccid> k1mosabe: change the file association of the extensions in konqueror config -> file associations
[05:24] <premier_> k1mosabe: kate is opening .deb files?  thats weird
[05:24] <flaccid> premier_: yes. sudo fdisk -l      --> does that show only your internal hard disks are the external as well?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> you are downloading a .deb and you click on it and kate opens it?
[05:25] <Dr_willis> or is the browser showign the .deb as a text file?
[05:25] <apus> tyring to install beryl: "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail"
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> apus, do you have any other package managers running?
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> apus, ie adept?
[05:25] <kaner_> is there a good/simple tool to convert video files to something more compatible to make a video dvd?
[05:25] <apus> yes I do! thanks
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> np
[05:26] <premier_> flaccid: yeah, its only showing my internal hard drive
[05:26] <flaccid> premier_: sorry i cant help further
[05:27] <stdin> kaner_: try DeVeDe
[05:27] <kaner_> thanks.
[05:28] <Daisuke_Ido> anyone have any ideas on why dvdshrink would no longer work under wine (or barring that, good simple alternatives for converting a dvd9 to dvd5 while keeping menus and such intact)
[05:29] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: umm k9copy ?
[05:30] <premier_> Hi, I'm having trouble with my external hard drive.  my hard drive was working just a few hours ago with no problem.  Its a new hard drive as of today, and now it doesn't show up in linux anywhere even though its plugged into the usb.
[05:30] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: and wine is just like that, one version it works, next.. nothing
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> ive pretty much given up on wine myself
[05:30] <flaccid> premier_: someone would of helped you if they could. please don't repeat all day
[05:31] <flaccid> premier_: google might be a better place to start
[05:31] <apus> k3b gives me a burn error as soon as its starts (disk doesn't even spin up) any ideas?
[05:31] <stdin> permissions maybe, what errors?
[05:31] <Dr_willis> run it from a terminal - check for errors apus
[05:32] <apus> "probably a buffer underrun occured"
[05:32] <apus> but it happens at 0%
[05:32] <apus> wodim: No such file or directory.
[05:32] <apus> Cannot open SCSI driver!
[05:33] <Dr_willis> the /dev/entry may be wrong  - theres a k3b-setup tool that you may want to run.
[05:34] <apus> how would I do that
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> apus: k3b-setup?
[05:35] <ron_> which irc network is superkaramba on?
[05:35] <apus> ?
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> apus, nevermind
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> hrm, my thumbnail generation of video files no longer works with feisty.
[05:39] <apus> should I try a different burner?
[05:40] <apus> the blank media is recognized
[05:40] <dwidmann> LeeJunFan: which kinds of videos?
[05:40] <dwidmann> LeeJunFan: it seems to be working for me
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> dwidmann: all.
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> hrm, somehow libarts1-xine got removed from my system.
[05:41] <dwidmann> I just emptied my thumbnail cache so I could reliably test .. and it worked fine, of course, all of the files I looked at were XVID though
[05:41] <flaccid> apus: maybe you are putting the wrong type of media in
[05:41] <rodrigo> someboy help me with BIND
[05:41] <rodrigo> somebody help me with BIND
[05:41] <flaccid> whats the problem
[05:41] <apus> give me more credit than that :P  I may sound like a noob because im new to linux but I'm very capable on windows and tech savvy
[05:41] <rodrigo> somebody help me with BIND
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> dwidmann: yeah, working now - I have no idea how that package got removed, I always install it and it worked a week ago - and I don't use autoremove. hehe
[05:42] <flaccid> apus: i don't know you, so i can't credit you with anything :p
[05:42] <flaccid> rodrigo: whats the problem
[05:42] <flaccid> !ask
[05:42] <dwidmann> LeeJunFan: autoremove is the devil
[05:42] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:43] <Dr_willis> apus,  you do NOT want to know the hr i spent puzzlyng about why my old box couldent read this dvd i'd just burnt.. but the other pc's could.. :)  (hint.. i frogot that machine had only a cd drive) heh
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> dwidmann: you're just angry cuz you got so many teeth :)
[05:43] <apus> lol dr willis
[05:43] <dwidmann> hehehe
[05:44] <Dr_willis> apus,  any sort of info about what drives are seen when ya run k3b from the shell?
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> dwidmann: so you got that eh? :) I was worried.
[05:44] <apus> so the disk utility sees all my hdds and all the partitions, but I cant enable the ntfs partition on my first drive so I can access it
[05:44] <Dr_willis> apus,  could try running k3b as root also with sudo.
[05:44] <Dr_willis> apus,  you using feisty?
[05:45] <dwidmann> I've got a quick question while I'm at it, what would it take to get a dual monitor setup going? Would I need anything special (like a KVM switch or something?)
[05:45] <apus> yes feisty
[05:45] <apus> in shell I get erors, "bad device, invalid....
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> apus: error 168?
[05:46] <apus> 167
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> input device?
[05:46] <apus> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> ignore it
[05:46] <flaccid> !baddevice
[05:46] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the wacom stuff built into the default xorg configuration
[05:46] <Marthy> dwidmann: did you want to run 2 computers with one monitor, or one computer with 2 monitors
[05:46] <Marthy> ?
[05:46] <apus> :~$ find: /dev/bus/usb/.usbfs/005: Permission denied
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> you can comment it out
[05:47] <apus> you forget im noob!
[05:48] <billy> does anyone know how to list and modify enviornment variables in ubuntu?
[05:48] <apus> error 255 when I try and burn (didn't see that before)
[05:48] <flaccid> billy: cli or gui?
[05:48] <billy> is there something similar to the System -> Enviornment Variables screen in XP
[05:49] <flaccid> there is
[05:49] <flaccid> trying to find it atm
[05:49] <billy> either cli or gui would be fine (both, if possible)
[05:49] <dwidmann> Marthy, one computer, two monitors, looks like I wouldn't need a kvm for that, that would have been the other one ... I think
[05:49] <dwidmann> good old wikipedia :)
[05:50] <fuel> !convert
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about convert - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <apus> still having issues with k3b
[05:50] <ScottLij_> stupid question... how do I make a script in Kubuntu?
[05:50] <flaccid> billy: can't find the gui. use set and export in gui
[05:51] <flaccid> err in terminal
[05:51] <Marthy> dwidmann: yeah you wont need a kvm then
[05:51] <flaccid> ScottLij_: with a text editor like kate
[05:51] <Marthy> just 2 video cards in the machine
[05:51] <Skrotffs> ScottLij_: What sort of script?
[05:51] <ScottLij_> file extension?
[05:51] <ScottLij_> .sh?
[05:51] <Skrotffs> .sh is for bash scripts, yes
[05:51] <flaccid> any text editor is fine
[05:51] <Marthy> I ran dual monitors for a while, under kubuntu with no hardware acceleration
[05:51] <fuel> well, you dont need to specify an extension.
[05:51] <Skrotffs> But it doesn't matter. As long as you start your script with "#!/bin/bash" it will run it with bash
[05:51] <Marthy> it worked well
[05:52] <apus> can I paste 3 lines in here?
[05:52] <fuel> apus: no
[05:52] <Skrotffs> !paste
[05:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:53] <apus> this is the actual burn error from k3b http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16191/
[05:53] <fuel> any idea where i can get convert package?
[05:54] <fuel> i downloaded an icon set and it needs this 'convert' program/executable.
[05:54] <chemicalvamp> wheres the how-to for installing ati on feisty.. dont ge me that !ati thing, its not in there
[05:54] <dwidmann> Thanks marthy, I have high hopes for the new setup ... now to find the cheapest decent lcd :)
[05:54] <fuel> reading from the buildset , it is used to resize icons...
[05:54] <chemicalvamp> treid it, and then xserver didnt wanna load
[05:55] <mark_> can someone help me with my fglrx problem?
[05:55] <Marthy> dwidmann: trust me you wont regret extra workspace,if ya need help Ill be here, or someone else will, people here are smart
[05:56] <apus> can someone please check the k3b error I posted above
[05:57] <fuel> apus : when did you get this error?
[05:57] <fuel> while burning or launching the program ?
[05:57] <apus> when I click burn
[05:57] <apus> it doesn't even spin up the disk, but it recognized the blank cd-r and mounted it to the desktop
[05:58] <apus> the burner is "disabled" in teh disk and filesystems settings tab
[05:58] <fuel> i think its probably a bug. Did you try googling for the error ?
[05:58] <dwidmann> Marthy: I know :)
[05:59] <dwidmann> I think I found a decent one, whaddaya think? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2825269&CatId=2775
[05:59] <dwidmann> only part that scares me is t hat I've never heard of the brand
[06:00] <Marthy> yeah i am not the expert on those things, i still use CRTs, but I would either get a warrantee or stick with a main brand name
[06:00] <apus> I just want to burn a disk, something else I can use
[06:01] <wolferine> who runs VMWare?
[06:01] <wolferine> and what do you run in it?
[06:02] <apus> this is the k3b log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16192/
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, i use a westinghouse with pretty similar specs, never had a problem with it for about the same amount of money
[06:03] <apus> wolferine: I have used vmware but I use virtualpc
[06:03] <wolferine> why the change?
[06:04] <apus> I get vritualpc for free
[06:04] <wolferine> so no issues with it?
[06:04] <apus> it doesn't support 32 bit color, so installing anything that defaults to it (like kubuntu) is hard
[06:05] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: I'm shopping around right now ... I see a Samsung for a comparable price, I might just jump on it
[06:05] <apus> at one point I had vista, dsl, kubunut, xp, 98, and 95 all on virtualpc
[06:05] <apus> the vmware I used wasn't the full version, so I cant say much about it
[06:06] <apus> when I stick in a cd my bios speaker beeps at me, anywhere I can check for a log
[06:09] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: yes, I think I will indeed :D http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2485526&CatId=2775
[06:09] <Ahmuck> !windows
[06:09] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, nice :)
[06:16] <apus> so im getting error 255 with k3b, google suggest it is common
[06:16] <apus> what other program could I try
[06:23] <apus> If i just want a a partition for data, where should the mount point be?
[06:24] <ferret_0567_> Why does Adept need apt-index-watcher?
[06:24] <ferret_0567_> The KDE system services manager says it's not running
[06:24] <charlie5> hi folks ... I installed k3d some time ago, and then tried to uninstall it via adept, but there is a problem uninstalling it ... now when i try to install any other package, adept also tries to complete the k3d install (and fails) ... how might I get rid of it for good ?
[06:25] <ferret_0567_> something to do with dpkg will help...
[06:25] <ferret_0567_> I forget what
[06:25] <Marthy> have you apt-get updated at all?
[06:25] <charlie5> Marthy: not recently, i'll do it now ... thanks
[06:26] <Marthy> welcome
[06:26] <Marthy> sometiems it helps
[06:26] <Marthy> *sometimes
[06:27] <charlie5> mm, same problem :/ ... the error seems to involve python ...
[06:27] <charlie5> Removing k3d ...
[06:27] <charlie5> Traceback (most recent call last):
[06:27] <charlie5>   File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1348, in ?
[06:28] <charlie5>   File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1342, in main
[06:28] <charlie5>     rv = action.run(global_options)
[06:28] <charlie5>   File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 932, in run
[06:28] <charlie5> ...
[06:28] <apus> I still cant get k3b to burn a disc
[06:28] <apus> this is getting frustrating fast
[06:30] <flaccid> good riddance
[06:32] <kalorin`> I love k3d
[06:32] <kalorin`> k3b rather
[06:32] <kalorin`> does a solid job for me
[06:32] <ferret_0567_> k3b works well
[06:33] <kalorin`> I haven't used it since I was running xubuntu
[06:33] <kalorin`> worked great htere for me
[06:34] <jiang> trer
[06:34] <jiang> sorry
[06:35] <kalorin`> agyyawgn
[06:35] <kalorin`> me too :)
[06:35] <jiang> hehe
[06:35] <jiang> hello  Kalorin
[06:36] <kalorin`> hola
[06:37] <jiang> May I ask where are you now (which country) ? I'm a Chinese
[06:37] <kalorin`> cincinnati ohio
[06:38] <kalorin`> where from in china and where are you now?
[06:38] <jiang> I'm from TianJIn city China
[06:39] <jiang> TianJin not far from BeiJing
[06:41] <kalorin`> well welcome
[06:41] <jiang> Thank U
[06:47] <kai> is there a program to convert ogg vorbis files to mp3?
[06:48] <jza873> hi everyone
[06:49] <jiang> hello
[06:49] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: I feel guilty now .... I actually went through with it :O
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, buyers remorse, huh...
[06:50] <jza873> question im trying to set up 2 things one is remote access i have a static ip and im trying to do remote access so i can access my computer from my job and i also want to set up remote telnet to ill be able to telnet into the UNIX end of my system any ideas
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, don't get too down, im actually looking at a cpu upgrade right now
[06:50] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: I still feel guilty from that too
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, amd's gotten real cheap lately
[06:51] <dwidmann> got an FX-60 when I fried my other processor/board .. not sure which, but something was dead, so I replaced both ...
[06:51] <kai> any suggestions
[06:52] <hitmanWilly> !info ogg2mp3
[06:52] <ubotu> Package ogg2mp3 does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:52] <hitmanWilly> !find ogg2mp3
[06:52] <ubotu> Package/file ogg2mp3 does not exist in edgy
[06:52] <kai> I looked for that couldn't find anything
[06:53] <kai> So ic an't actuall convert w/o the cd eh?
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> !info mp32ogg
[06:53] <ubotu> mp32ogg: Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11-7 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[06:53] <dwidmann> maybe soundkonverter?
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> that's what i was thinking of...
[06:53] <dwidmann> !info soundkonverter
[06:53] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1047 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[06:53] <kai> Installing at this moment
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, actually looking at a x2 4200 right now
[06:54] <kai> dwidmann: I didn't have any Ideas for encoders when I was googling
[06:54] <illriginal> Anyone know about installing Linux onto PS2?
[06:55] <jza873> yea download yellow dog
[06:55] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: should be pretty cheap, can't feel too guilty about that one eh?
[06:55] <jza873> ohh waite ps2
[06:55] <flake> where can I find my menus/submenus under gnome?
[06:55] <illriginal> yellow dog on playstation 2?!
[06:55] <illriginal> yeah lol
[06:55] <jza873> thats ps3 on ps2 they made a version its hard to find tho
[06:55] <kalorin`> if I'm going to upgrade it'll be to an E6600 w/ 2gb of ram
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, $130 from tigerdirect
[06:56] <kai> why would any one use ogg vorbis for audio compression?
[06:56] <illriginal> yeah I'm having a hard time finding the operating system for ps2
[06:56] <dwidmann> kai: because it works well
[06:56] <kalorin`> kai, they've got a sony minidisk player?
[06:56] <dwidmann> and it's a free format
[06:56] <kai> it doesn't play on mp3 players, I never heard of an OggPlayer b4
[06:56] <dwidmann> Ogg compresses better than mp3 generally ...
[06:56] <kai> but MD are lame, I had one, I hated it
[06:56] <kalorin`> my sony minidisk works really pretty well and it's cheap for media and plays for a long time
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> kai, it has better quality, open format, and my mp3 player plays them just fine
[06:57] <kalorin`> I bought it befor emp3 players had more than like 256meg of ram
[06:57] <kai> yea, I suppose
[06:57] <jza873> here
[06:57] <jza873> http://playstation2-linux.com/download/cfyc/HOWTO_blindly_install_ps2linux.html
[06:57] <kai> where MD reigned Supreme
[06:57] <illriginal> wow
[06:57] <jza873> this wont be a fun experience
[06:57] <kalorin`> it's not so bad all things considered
[06:57] <illriginal> thanks alot jza!!
[06:57] <kai> I took my MD to IRaq
[06:57] <jza873> n/p
[06:57] <kai> it didn't do very well
[06:57] <illriginal> the installation is a pain in the arse?
[06:57] <kai> my nomad worked like a charm tho
[06:57] <jza873> looks to be
[06:58] <kalorin`> I just hated their stupid software
[06:58] <drarem> where can I find my menus/submenus under gnome?
[06:58] <kai> it was slow too
[06:58] <kalorin`> well yeah, solid state for that kind of environment for sure
[06:58] <kalorin`> minidisk did a good job in the gym though
[06:58] <kalorin`> and that kind of stuff
[06:58] <kai> I think it had something to do with the disk getting bigger in the heat
[06:58] <illriginal> i see..
[06:58] <illriginal> im gonna check it out, thanks again jza!
[06:58] <kalorin`> kai, I could see that being an issue as well
[06:59] <kalorin`> ok folks, nighty time
[06:59] <kai> I prefer the creative nomad but I needed something a lil meateir, esp after my HORRIFC experiance w/ ipod the first tim
[06:59] <jza873> hay liten i reinstalled linux again so i could put /home on a new partition by its self and i need for k3b the mp3 decoding library again any one got the repo install for it
[06:59] <dwidmann> night kalorin`
[06:59] <jza873> later
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> kai, ugh, ipods...
[06:59] <dwidmann> !info libk3b2-mp3
[06:59] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB
[07:00] <jza873> awesom yea im not using edgy tho
[07:00] <kai> I had to
[07:00] <jza873> edgy wont detect a gigabyte lan
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> yeah, so did i, that's why the ugh
[07:00] <kai> hitmanWilly: Its cool now, it works and everything
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> that's good at least
[07:01] <kai> Mine broke the day i bought
[07:01] <kalorin`> ok newegg has athlon 64 x2 4600+ for 119.99
[07:01] <kalorin`> sorry I have a code for $5 off that
[07:01] <kalorin`> and free shipping
[07:01] <kai> hitmanWilly: And I couldn't take it back
[07:01] <kalorin`> so 114.99
[07:01] <kalorin`> AM2 socket though
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> kalorin`, sorry, 939
[07:01] <noob> anyone know how to build install ndiswrapper?
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> kalorin`, and a mobo swap is a little out of my budget right now
[07:02] <kalorin`> yeah
[07:02] <kalorin`> I know that feeling
[07:02] <jza873> damn i just went to walmart and bought an acer pos for 400$ but for linux its great do you need such a powerful computer rember linux is not windows
[07:03] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: especially seeing as you'd have to switch out the RAM too, that wouldn't be cheap
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> jza873, need, no, want, yes :)
[07:04] <jza873> i know
[07:04] <jza873> its all for bragging rights
[07:04] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, yea, tell me about it
[07:04] <jza873> but dont do new egg go to either www.ibuypower.com or www.cyberpowerpc.com
[07:04] <jza873> go cyber power and customize the mega special 1
[07:05] <jza873> sockt am2 3800+ 2x gig of ram
[07:05] <jza873> for baseline
[07:05] <dwidmann> jza873: of course we need powerful computers ;)
[07:05] <jza873> you should see mine you would laugh its a small form factor celeron D
[07:05] <jza873> all i could afford now
[07:05] <dwidmann> ouch
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> ugh
[07:05] <jza873> had vista on it used vista to download feisty and bam no more vista
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> who would put vista on a celeron!?!
[07:06] <jza873> friggin vista took 2.5 hours b4 i could use the computer
[07:06] <jza873> umm lets c every computer has vista now
[07:06] <jza873> not teh cekleron isnt the bad thing its vista takes 700mb of ram to boot and i only have 512
[07:06] <dwidmann> jza873: The though of that scares me. At least mine doesn't have Vista.
[07:07] <hitmanWilly> thank you M$ marketing/shakedown department
[07:07] <jza873> i dont use windows all together i havnt had wibndows for like 3 years
[07:07] <jza873> been with osx for teh past 3 and now like 2 week been running linux
[07:07] <dwidmann> jza873: I think the Ubuntu alternate cd takes 170mb/ram to run, or some such. I had fun with it in vmware seeing how it would perform on low mem
[07:07] <FireHazard17> feisty tomorrow!
[07:08] <jza873> i know i am on beta
[07:08] <FireHazard17> yeah
[07:08] <FireHazard17> beta
[07:08] <dwidmann> I think that's what it took anyway ... anything less and you were in for a long long wait ...
[07:08] <jza873> so imma run an update and bam all loaded
[07:08] <jza873> btu i been using feisty and its great
[07:08] <dwidmann> beta heck, it's practically release candidate. I'm kinda @#$!#! though, can't get the nvidia-glx working since the last kernel update :\
[07:08] <jza873> sorry for all the typpos the keyboard i have sucks bad
[07:09] <jza873> that sucks
[07:09] <FireHazard17> suuuuuurreee
[07:09] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, try a full purge of the -14 kernel
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> ok, KDE+beryl & about 4 different apps running, 330 megs
[07:10] <FireHazard17> vista is a joke
[07:10] <jza873> its the downfall for windows
[07:10] <FireHazard17> no its not
[07:10] <FireHazard17> to most people ''its the best windows ever!''
[07:11] <FireHazard17> thats like being the best type of cancer
[07:11] <FireHazard17> yes i am comparing windows to cancer
[07:11] <drarem> lol
[07:11] <jza873> last year mac at 4 percent of users by march they were at 12 windows holds about 65+ and linux and others for the rest but teh thjing is dell to sell linux and ppl hate vista so linux may become mroe popular because og crappy dell
[07:11] <ScottLij_> whats a "backup file" and why is there one for every text file on my desktop?
[07:11] <jza873> because it loves you
[07:11] <apus> i am having problem after problem
[07:12] <apus> a fesh install and nothing works
[07:12] <jza873> had that issue b4
[07:12] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: I'm purging a variety of things now ... figure I might as well give this one more shot before I pull my hair out :P
[07:12] <jza873> run an update
[07:12] <FireHazard17> cancer is probably better than vista
[07:12] <apus> I have
[07:12] <jza873> like what isnt working
[07:12] <dwidmann> FireHazard17: Comparing Vista to cancer is being a little too generous
[07:12] <drarem> oh man..  you insult cancer, how dare you!
[07:12] <apus> amarok wont load, period, k3b cant burn cds,
[07:13] <jza873> yea be nice to cancer
[07:13] <FireHazard17> lol its true
[07:13] <FireHazard17> dying is better than using a M$ product
[07:13] <apus> i've already fixed my ntfs volumes, automatix installation errors, not to mention it woudln't even install correctly for 3 hours
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> automatix?  poor boy
[07:13] <FireHazard17> dying is releas by comparison
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> welp, BEDTIME!
[07:13] <hitmanWilly> !automatix
[07:13] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[07:14] <apus> well, all of these problems occured before I touched automatix
[07:14] <jza873> hay put it to teh test do sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[07:14] <Minataku> More people tend to survive cancer than transitioning from Windows
[07:14] <dwidmann> RAther than cancer, compair it to, hemorrhoids or somerthing ..
[07:14] <Daisuke_Ido> night Minataku
[07:14] <FireHazard17> lol my dog is snoring
[07:14] <Minataku> Mostly because they're too weak to make any effort (to transition from Windows)
[07:14] <Minataku> Night, Daisuke_Ido
[07:14] <Minataku> FireHazard17: Poke him/her
[07:14] <Minataku> Not hard, gently
[07:15] <FireHazard17> i did she twitched
[07:15] <Minataku> Heehee
[07:15] <Minataku> Gently poking sleeping things is fun
[07:15] <FireHazard17> lol
[07:15] <dwidmann> The ultimate punishment ... Being sat in front of an old computer running windows ME on dialup
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> a large, painful, annoying growth on ones anus that interferes with the running of ones daily life...hmm, i like it
[07:15] <FireHazard17> i couldn't imagine
[07:15] <Minataku> dwidmann: I dunno... Windows ME isn't that bad once you've used OpenServer
[07:16] <jza873> apus see if the problem is the desktop manager install a new one liek afterstep
[07:16] <FireHazard17> "OpenServer"?
[07:16] <Minataku> I got a copy that "fell off a truck", if you know what I mean
[07:16] <apus> you guys can joke all you want, but im goibng through hell right now trying to do simple stuff
[07:16] <Minataku> And I tested it out on an old laptop
[07:16] <jza873> install a new desktop manager and do a distro upgrade
[07:16] <Minataku> I thought NeXT was a horrible Unix variant
[07:16] <jza873> haha you want fun install ion3
[07:16] <Minataku> Hoo, SCO OpenServer is so much worse
[07:16] <jza873> and dont touch your mouse
[07:17] <hitmanWilly> i never liked afterstep
[07:17] <Minataku> Not Afterstep
[07:17] <Minataku> NeXTSTEP
[07:17] <jza873> afterstep is kewl kinda big
[07:17] <apus>  when I tyep strace amarok it says "waitpid(8905, 0xbfe92c30, WNOHANG)      = 0" and  "nanosleep({0, 100000}, NULL)            = 0" over and over to infinity until I ctrl c
[07:17] <jza873> never tried nextstep
[07:17] <dwidmann> apus: it gets better :)
[07:17] <Minataku> I have NeXTSTEP/risc 3.3 on Usada, my SPARCstation 10
[07:17] <Rictoo|SLP> What time is it CST?
[07:17] <Rictoo|SLP> What time is it CST?
[07:17] <apus> 12:17
[07:17] <Rictoo|SLP> AHHHH
[07:17] <Rictoo|SLP> ok
[07:17] <dwidmann> CST? like, Central standard time?
[07:17] <Rictoo|SLP> thanks
[07:18] <Rictoo|SLP> yeah
[07:18] <jza873> UTS
[07:18] <FireHazard17> whats wrong with openserver?
[07:18] <Minataku> Wed Apr 18 01:17:57 EDT 2007
[07:18] <apus> my list is getting shorter, I need to be able to play mp3s, get amarok to actualy load, burn a cd with k3b, so that I can resisze my partition
[07:18] <Minataku> FireHazard17: Well, if we ignore the huge fact that it's an SCO product
[07:18] <Minataku> There's the agressive license bitching
[07:18] <jza873> how do i set up remote access i want to be able to remote in to my computer from a static ip from  work
[07:19] <Minataku> There's the fact that it's really just a pretty poor product all around
[07:19] <FireHazard17> Minataku: so they're microsoft?
[07:19] <dwidmann> Minataku: ignore that fact? Impossible
[07:19] <jza873> unfortunally
[07:19] <FireHazard17> it ound like windows
[07:19] <Minataku> dwidmann: Well, yeah, I was asking quite a bit there
[07:19] <FireHazard17> sounds*
[07:19] <dwidmann> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO
[07:20] <FireHazard17> "agressive license bitching" sounds just like windows
[07:20] <FireHazard17> as does bad product
[07:20] <Minataku> Needless to say, during my test I was literally afraid of putting that lappy on the network
[07:21] <hitmanWilly> im just curious if someone could get a look at the guts of windows, i'd bet some there's some GPL code in there somewhere, especially with how the vista release was rushed out the door
[07:21] <frank227a> Hello
[07:21] <Minataku> Though I'm sure DHCP was an extra cost option nonetheless
[07:21] <frank227a> What permissions should a cups driver have?
[07:21] <FireHazard17> lmao
[07:21] <frank227a> A ppd file?
[07:21] <Minataku> As EVERYTHING tends to be on an SCO system
[07:21] <dwidmann> Minataku: that sounds painful.
[07:21] <frank227a> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 13086 2003-08-21 02:36 Lexmark-Z600-lxz600cj-cups.ppd
[07:21] <Minataku> It's still using the Unix licensing style from 1970
[07:21] <apus> anyone want to try and help me fix the k3b issue?
[07:22] <frank227a> It can not find this file when I go to use it.
[07:22] <FireHazard17> Minataku: why even use a SCO product?
[07:22] <Minataku> Where EVERYTHING cost a whole lot extra
[07:22] <dwidmann> That's like saying. Okay, we're selling a house, an extra $4000 and we'll even throw in a roof
[07:22] <Minataku> FireHazard17: That's just it. Nobody does anymore.
[07:22] <jza873> try this
[07:22] <jza873> apt-get source k3b
[07:22] <jza873>  apt-get build-dep k3b
[07:22] <jza873>  apt-get install libmad0 libmad0-dev
[07:22] <jza873>  cd k3b-0.11.23
[07:22] <jza873>  dpkg-buildpackage -tc
[07:22] <jza873>  dpkg -i ../k3b_0.11.23-0ubuntu1_i386.deb ../k3blibs_0.11.23-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:22] <apus> what does all that do?
[07:23] <FireHazard17> look at it
[07:23] <jza873> installs k3b with all packages
[07:23] <hitmanWilly> apus, it rebuilds the package from source
[07:23] <FireHazard17> yes
[07:23] <Minataku> dwidmann: I'd say more like "Buy the house for $100000, the floors for an extra $50000, walls are $75000, the ceiling is another $50000..." and so on
[07:23] <FireHazard17> and thats just the shell
[07:23] <Minataku> dwidmann: Notably, the compilers are an extremely costly add-on
[07:23] <FireHazard17> Minataku: you are kidding me
[07:23] <jza873> apus do this sudo apt-get remove k3b
[07:23] <dwidmann> Not really
[07:24] <jza873> remove k3b and run that command i posted b4
[07:24] <Minataku> FireHazard17: No, that's pretty much accurate
[07:24] <FireHazard17> Minataku: i only compile for fun
[07:24] <Minataku> Of course to get prices similar to SCO's, reduce by one order of magnitude
[07:24] <jza873> compileing is fun
[07:24] <dwidmann> SCO are trying to leach money off the business they dont' have anymore by alleging that Linux stole from their OS ... they've been involved in either one large or a lot of small lawsuits with IBM if I remember right
[07:24] <FireHazard17> Minataku: like audacity and ZSNES
[07:24] <apus> in the system settings under disks, it says the dvd drive is not enabled
[07:24] <Minataku> FireHazard17: Yeah, well, on SCO, compiling for fun would run you around $5000
[07:25] <FireHazard17> Minataku: thats sad
[07:25] <jza873> run a distro upgrade or probe your kernal
[07:25] <apus> is that an issue or is that normal?
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> apus: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab file?
[07:25] <FireHazard17> reinstall edgy
[07:25] <jza873> im new to linux rember that but no one runs into more problems then me
[07:25] <jza873> install fiesty
[07:25] <jza873> its got more driver support
[07:25] <FireHazard17> is it stable?
[07:25] <jza873> very
[07:26] <FireHazard17> ok install feisty
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> the release hits tommorrow, so iwould hope so :)
[07:26] <FireHazard17> true...
[07:26] <apus> hitmanwilly: i have no idea what that means
[07:26] <jza873> come on it comes out tomorrow im in beta but it runs soo great edgy kernal sucked because it wouldnt detect anything and i dont wont to compile a new one
[07:26] <jza873> so i went with the beta and bam found everything
[07:27] <FireHazard17> im using edgy...
[07:27] <jza873> any one use elink
[07:27] <Minataku> jza873: Just a note, it's spelled "kernel"
[07:27] <FireHazard17> elink?
[07:27] <Minataku> "KERNAL" was for old CBMs :3
[07:27] <dwidmann> that's always fun, adept just had to crash on me :\
[07:27] <hitmanWilly> apus, actually, i would reccomend the feisty install
[07:27] <apus> it is fiesty
[07:27] <jza873> i know liek i said i hate my keyboard i think they pushed the keys together to make me type messed up
[07:28] <hitmanWilly> apus, you're already on feisty? ok..
[07:28] <Minataku> I think you just need to slow down and check your typing
[07:28] <jza873> i ordered a new one an old sun/unix keyboard with ibm style clicky keys
[07:29] <hitmanWilly> apus: open up the file /etc/fstab with kate and copy the contents to the ubuntu pastebin
[07:29] <jza873> yea i could do that too
[07:29] <Minataku> If you think I type without errors, you're wrong, I just manage to catch them before they get out more often, lol
[07:29] <hitmanWilly> !paste | apus
[07:29] <ubotu> apus: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:29] <jza873> ?
[07:29] <dwidmann> !adeptfix
[07:29] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:30] <apus> jza873: you said to cd k3b... up there, where is that directory?
[07:31] <apus> doe sit matter that I get a "invalid input device" for a lot of commands "kate fstab"
[07:31] <apus> jza873 "cd k3b-0.11.23"
[07:32] <apus> doesn't exists
[07:32] <apus> here is my fstab: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16195/
[07:32] <jza873> usr / bin /k3b
[07:32] <jza873> cant paste slashes close to each other
[07:33] <dwidmann> jza873: you should be able to, j ust if you n eed the first character you type to be a /, you'll have to preceed it with a / (confusingly enough)
[07:33] <apus> k3b doesn't exist
[07:33] <apus> you had me remove it
[07:34] <jza873> got it
[07:34] <jza873> one more how do you address someone i see when somoen types to me its in red hwo do you do that
[07:35] <hitmanWilly> apus, ok fstab looks alright
[07:35] <dsmith> hi
[07:35] <apus> well thats good
[07:36] <dsmith> anyone ever create thier own linux live cd?
[07:36] <jza873> create own liek custom make it or just burn a live cd from iso
[07:36] <hitmanWilly> apus, go into a terminal and type: sudo chmod a+rx /media/cdrom0
[07:37] <DaphBobo> why isn;t Kmix speaker balance not working
[07:37] <jza873> #yo
[07:37] <jza873> dont click im just being stupid
[07:37] <dsmith> lol
[07:38] <apus> hitmanwilly: done
[07:38] <dsmith> no like create your own live cd
[07:38] <hitmanWilly> apus: did it return any errors?
[07:38] <jza873> someone tell me how to address people in irc liek you all do to me
[07:38] <apus> no
[07:38] <dsmith> jza873: like this?
[07:38] <hitmanWilly> apus, ok, good reinstall k3b and try it again
[07:38] <jza873> yes like that
[07:38] <apus> dsmith is there an easier way to do that other than typing the name
[07:39] <jza873> why you all gotta screw with me lol
[07:39] <dsmith>  screw with you. Hmmm, you dont say
[07:39] <jza873> i told you im new to all this so im learning and im think im learning very well
[07:40] <hitmanWilly> apus, what that did was allow read, write, and execute permissions on the cd rom drive
[07:40] <jza873> dsmith: funny
[07:40] <dsmith>  ok jza873
[07:40] <jza873> tell me how to do it
[07:40] <apus> wow
[07:40] <apus> i may have found a problem
[07:41] <apus> shouldn't it have updated k3b? the package manager
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> apus, what problem?
[07:41] <dsmith>  ctrl-k
[07:41] <apus> because this is a newer version by a lot
[07:41] <dsmith> for collors
[07:41] <dsmith> *colors
[07:41] <jza873>  i get it
[07:41] <apus> dsmith: he means how do you do wha tI just did to you
[07:41] <dsmith> but to get someone's attention use the colon symbol after the nick
[07:41] <jza873> thanks
[07:42] <apus> I told the package manager to update, and it did some updates, but k3b was 0.7 and not its 1.0
[07:42] <dwidmann> woo and yay ..... I've got the nvidia drivers working again, hooray .... stupid pains in the .... [insert mutting here] 
[07:42] <dwidmann> *muttering
 man #kubuntu is more off-topic than this channel <-- is this true?
[07:42] <apus> when I removed and refetched
[07:42] <dsmith> dwidmann: nVidia drivers can be a pain
[07:43] <hitmanWilly> epod, sometimes :)
[07:43] <epod> hitmanWilly, nice, lol :)
[07:43] <hitmanWilly> epod, there's a #kubuntu-offtopic channel too, but you can see the tumbleweeds roll through there :)
[07:44] <jza873> lol
[07:44] <epod> hehehe
[07:44] <dwidmann> Indeed
[07:44] <apus> okay hitmanwilly: burning complete, 1 problem down
[07:44] <dwidmann> #kubuntu-offtopic has about as much life as a desert
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> apus, good :)
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, yeah, that 14 kernel caused a lot of problems
[07:44] <frank227a> What is the website that will give you your dns?
[07:44] <frank227a> your ip?>
[07:45] <flaccid> whatismyip.com
[07:45] <frank227a> whatismyip.com?
[07:45] <frank227a> Thank you
[07:45] <flaccid> you already knew
[07:45] <flaccid> heh
[07:45] <apus> alright, I need to repartition using the cd I made, other than that, amarok doesn't work, and I cant play mp3s
[07:45] <flaccid> dnsstuff.com and dnstools.com is cool too
[07:45] <underdog5004> !mp3 > apus
[07:45] <frank227a> lol
[07:45] <frank227a> brb
[07:45] <hitmanWilly> apus, did you install the restricted codecs?
[07:45] <apus> restricted ?
[07:46] <flaccid> yes
[07:46] <dwidmann> I know ways to get whatismyip.com to lie to you :) I was playing around with tor the other day ... neat stuff
[07:46] <jza873> lol
[07:46] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, there's always a proxy :)
[07:46] <flaccid> lie as in proxy ?
[07:46] <hitmanWilly> go through one
[07:46] <jza873> well since this topic came up
[07:46] <hitmanWilly> or ipmasq
[07:47] <flaccid> you can script it so it gets either the proxy ip or client ip or both. but maybe they havnt done that
[07:47] <dsmith> lol
[07:47] <jza873> got any ideas how to do remote access throug linux i want to be able to access my computer from work and i have a static ip
[07:47] <hitmanWilly> jza873, research ssh
[07:47] <dsmith> I use to trick broadband speed test to show higher when it wasnt'
[07:47] <flaccid> !vnc > jza873
[07:47] <dsmith> you just hit refresh
[07:47] <epod> jza873, vnc or nomachine, or ssh
[07:48] <dsmith> 23000kbps
[07:48] <dsmith> or some insane #
[07:48] <dsmith> anyways...
[07:48] <flaccid> heh thats some bad dev
[07:48] <dwidmann> dsmith: !!!
[07:48] <apus> should I remove automatix fist?
[07:48] <dsmith> dwidmann: !!!
[07:48] <dwidmann> 23000kbps ... I want some :(
[07:49] <dsmith> wasn't real relax
[07:49] <hitmanWilly> apus, automatix is a piece of junk
[07:49] <dwidmann> real or not, I still want some
[07:49] <apus> ok
[07:49] <jza873> what is automatrix
[07:49] <dsmith> automatix has it uses I think
[07:49] <hitmanWilly> maybe...
[07:49] <underdog5004> Ok, I've got one for whoever wants it: I want my server to have a static ip, so I edited /etc/network/interfaces to reflect that, static, then I assigned all the stuff (netmask, gateway, etc...). When I did sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart, the settings applied, but when I rebooted my router, my server had a new ip...
[07:49] <flaccid> well 24mbps is dsl2+..
[07:49] <dwidmann> !automatix | jza873
[07:49] <ubotu> jza873: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[07:49] <hitmanWilly> there's better ways, though
[07:49] <dsmith> i know Willy
[07:50] <jza873> glad i didnt get it then
[07:50] <flaccid> underdog5004: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[07:50] <hitmanWilly> apus: yes, feel free to remove automatix
[07:50] <flaccid> underdog5004: what is the router?
[07:50] <jza873> the router is a giant dog that eats baremanpigs
[07:51] <jza873> no for real its a networking device
[07:51] <underdog5004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16199/
[07:51] <apus> how do I remove it? sudo apt-get remove automatix?
[07:51] <underdog5004> flaccid, it's a USR 5461 router
[07:52] <hitmanWilly> apus: i doubt that would work, probably have to use dpkg
[07:52] <apus> how?
[07:52] <flaccid> so how could a reboot of the router affect your server
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> apus dpkg --purge automatix
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> apus dpkg --purge automatix.deb, sorry
[07:53] <flaccid> underdog5004: output of ps aux | grep dhclient
[07:53] <flaccid> pls
[07:53] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: I think you were probably right the first time
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, doesn't dpkg need the actual deb name?
[07:54] <underdog5004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16200/
[07:54] <apus> you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in
[07:54] <underdog5004> hitmanWilly, I'm kinda an expert w/ automatix...what's the problem?
[07:54] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: for installing yes, for removing no
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann, ok, noted
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> apus, try the first thing i said
[07:55] <flaccid> underdog5004: sudo kill -9 3671 && sudo /etc/network/interfaces restart
[07:55] <apus> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove automatix which isn't installed.
[07:55] <flaccid> underdog5004: dhclient was still running in background..
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> apus, ok, don't worry about it then
[07:55] <jza873> 12/21/2012
[07:55] <underdog5004> flaccid, darn...thanks!
[07:55] <jza873> interesting we are all suppose to die then
[07:56] <hitmanWilly> apus sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:56] <flaccid> np
[07:56] <dwidmann> what happens on 12/21/2012?
[07:56] <apus> for future reference "sudo apt-get remove automatix2"
[07:56] <flaccid> dwidmann: nothing because there is no 21st month
[07:56] <jza873> go to wikipedia and type in time wave zero its the historical endpoint
[07:56] <underdog5004> jza873, you believe in that?
[07:57] <jza873> no
[07:57] <dwidmann> flaccid, in some countries the day and month are the other way around, like the US for example
[07:57] <jza873> i only beleive in what i see
[07:57] <underdog5004> me neither
[07:57] <underdog5004> Although I do have faith in God
[07:57] <flaccid> dwidmann: i know that. its not logical :)
[07:57] <underdog5004> but that's not very on-topic
[07:57] <jza873> but ill tell you something i dont read but i been reading this book CYBERIA nad its very interesting
[07:57] <flaccid> what is on topic these days heh
[07:57] <jza873> pretty much all about drugs and experiences but very interesting
[07:58] <hitmanWilly> apus, so you got it to remove? good
[07:58] <apus> and its working on the install of what you typed
[07:58] <apus> I love how typing things gets me programs
[07:58] <Hc\> how can i lock this?
[07:58] <hitmanWilly> apus, that will install all of your proprietary codecs
[07:59] <hitmanWilly> apus: ie mp3, flash, java, etc
[07:59] <Hc\> in the way that applications remains running?
[07:59] <Hc\> ok
[07:59] <Hc\> i got it :D
[08:00] <underdog5004> anyone tried out foresight linux?
[08:00] <jza873> never even herd of it
[08:00] <hitmanWilly> underdog5004, never even heard ...
[08:00] <dwidmann> Hmm, in Feisty's Konqueror, does anyone else notice the bookmark toolbar loading horribly terribly slow?
[08:00] <underdog5004> just found it w/ stumbleupon...d/ling the dvd iso now...
[08:00] <apus> the most entertaining way to test flash sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:00] <jza873> no i dont have that issue
[08:00] <apus> oops
[08:00] <apus> here we go, the most entertaining way to test flash http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bells.htm
[08:01] <dsmith> foresight, I saw the that in a mapping of linux
[08:01] <underdog5004> www.foresightlinux.org
[08:01] <dwidmann> (horribly terribly slow = a second or two, but noticable ... worse if using the vesa drivers (as opposed to the nvidia drivers)
[08:01] <dsmith> I use stumble as well :)
[08:01] <ybott> jza873, Type in what at wikipedia?
[08:02] <jza873> time wave zero
[08:02] <hitmanWilly> apus, that's kind cool
[08:02] <apus> well I have no sound from the mp3
[08:02] <ybott> novelty theory comes up..is that it?
[08:02] <apus> but I did get sounds when booting up
[08:03] <jza873> yes you got it
[08:03] <jza873> ctrl+f it
[08:03] <underdog5004> apus, you may need to configure your media player to use the right sound engine
[08:03] <apus> what media player should I use
[08:03] <ybott> That the date of this historical endpoint is December 21, 2012, the end of the long count of the Mayan calendar.
[08:04] <apus> notice hte odd number of 1s and 2s in that date
[08:04] <apus> 12:21 pm?
[08:04] <apus> no sound from firefox either
[08:04] <jza873> lol i thought i was crazy for thinking that
[08:05] <hitmanWilly> apus, open up kmix
[08:05] <underdog5004> apus, make sure ALSA is selected...which media player are you using?
[08:05] <underdog5004> anyway, I'm going to bed...got a gf to cuddle with.
[08:05] <apus> vlc to test, amarok wont load
[08:05] <underdog5004> adios!
[08:05] <jza873> ybott: download the free pdf cyberia interesting stuff
[08:06] <ybott> One thing I have found out, it is entirely impossible for me to install a belkin wireless g router in kubuntu.
[08:06] <jza873> belkin sucks thats y
[08:06] <ybott> I had to uninstall the operating system, due to not being able to install it. That sucked.
[08:06] <ybott> I had to put windows back on here to get online.
[08:06] <ybott> heh.
[08:06] <jza873> why do you have to install the router cant you just type in the gateway ip for teh configuration
[08:07] <apus> vlc playes avi, but no sound
[08:07] <ybott> I think I tried everything.
[08:07] <ubd> how do i add enlightenment option to kde login screen?
[08:07] <jza873> i have a netgear and never installed anything just type in your gateway
[08:07] <ybott> jza873, You know kubuntu really well?
[08:07] <jza873> sudo apt-get install enlightenment
[08:07] <hitmanWilly> apus, run kmix and make sure nothing's muted
[08:07] <dsmith> 192.168.1.1.
[08:08] <dsmith> admin:admin
[08:08] <dsmith> :)
[08:08] <ybott> yea, I know my gateway...
[08:08] <jza873> no i dont actually belkin is on 0.1
[08:08] <apus> oh nelly
[08:08] <apus> it was using my onbaord audio
[08:08] <hitmanWilly> dsmith, mine sits on 0.1, but yeah
[08:08] <jza873> no my bad 2.1
[08:08] <dsmith> er wait maybe its 192.168.0.1
[08:08] <ybott> yea its 192.168.2.1
[08:08] <dsmith> yes thats it
[08:08] <ubd> how do i add enlightenment option to KUBUNTU login screen?
[08:08] <jza873> sorry all new belkins are on 192.168.2.1
[08:08] <ubd> lol
[08:08] <jza873> because they conflict with zyxels'
[08:08] <apus> apparently my chaintech has 11 outputs
[08:09] <ybott> I could connect to the router, but could never connect to the internet.
[08:09] <hitmanWilly> and admin:password on a netgear
[08:09] <jza873> yup
[08:09] <jza873> do you have dsl or cable
[08:09] <dsmith> i'm thinking linksys
[08:09] <ybott> jza873, cable
[08:09] <jza873> linksys sucks
[08:09] <dsmith> haah
[08:09] <apus> yes linksys sucks, I have 4 dead ones
[08:09] <jza873> unless you load linux on it other wise it over flows too ofter
[08:09] <apus> and netgear, and dlink, they all suck
[08:10] <ybott> my manual says the belkin would work with linux
[08:10] <ybott> but there was no hope for me.
[08:10] <dsmith> toss in M$ while your at it
[08:10] <jza873> on powercycle you cable router and then go int rour router and run a release and renew and then do a ping to google fomr tehe router
[08:10] <apus> ybott, routers should be completely independent of your os
[08:10] <Cosmo_> talking about routers?
[08:10] <jza873> routers are
[08:10] <ybott> they should be
[08:10] <jza873> they are completely independent
[08:10] <Cosmo_> buffalo routers are good
[08:10] <jza873> buffalo are expensive
[08:11] <Cosmo_> but worth it
[08:11] <apus> pfsense routers are good!
[08:11] <dsmith> buffalo, are yummy
[08:11] <AmyRose> But they taught me in school that only Cisco is good :P
[08:11] <apus> still no sound, who wants to help?
[08:11] <jza873> good routers are 3com acatel
[08:11] <dsmith> Cisco, subsidized your school
[08:11] <ybott> apus, so tell me why I could never get a connection then?
[08:11] <jza873> cisco are complicated
[08:11] <dsmith> overly so
[08:11] <apus> bad router
[08:12] <Cosmo_> I installedthe LPR driver for my printer(brother intellifax 1840C) and it lists it,  however when I try to print a test page it gives me an error /usr/bin/lpr -P 'FAX1840C'  /usr/share/apps/kdeprint/testprint.ps execution failed with message  /usr/bin/lpr : the printer or class was not found anyone know how to fix this?
[08:12] <apus> or bad nic
[08:12] <jza873> thus the reason i liek 3com
[08:12] <ybott> its working now...with winxp
[08:12] <apus> was the nic set up right?
[08:12] <jza873> winxp stop swearing its not polite
[08:12] <dsmith> Cosmo, dont know that one
[08:12] <dsmith> LOL
[08:12] <ybott> jza873, heh.
[08:12] <apus> routers work with everything, xboxs, print servers, etc, os doesn't matter
[08:12] <dsmith> get a cheap dell 720 printer, made my lexmark, Linux drivers work
[08:13] <Hc\> !java Hc\
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java hc\ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:13] <hitmanWilly> !java > Hc\
[08:14] <jza873> cursed im installing evil java now
[08:14] <ybott> I was loving ubuntu, but net i hated that.
[08:14] <hitmanWilly> well, i gotta go, work tommorrow :(
[08:15] <jza873> what the apt-get for java
[08:15] <apus> if I have 2 sound cards how do I tell it which one to use
[08:15] <ybott> When using a wireless router is anything saved into it....does it get used to running on windows...and have to be reset to boot on linux?
[08:15] <ybott> heh.
[08:15] <apus> ybott: no
[08:16] <pollyo> Hello
[08:16] <pollyo> How can I determine if an isp is blocking a port?
[08:16] <jza873> call them
[08:16] <jza873> what prot
[08:16] <jza873> port*
[08:16] <ybott> apus, i'll tell ya what. i start up with kubuntu....connect without using the wireless modem, and start desktop sharing, and you can set it up and show me how? Got time?
[08:16] <jza873> isp's usually all block the sme port
[08:16] <pollyo> 80
[08:16] <apus> pollyo: do a google search for a port scan service
[08:16] <jza873> cant block 80
[08:17] <apus> ybott, I am having problems getting kubuntu to even work at the moment
[08:17] <jza873> 80 is for http or internet access
[08:17] <pollyo> What does a webserver run on ?
[08:17] <ybott> apus, ah, I see.
[08:17] <jza873> idk pick one
[08:17] <ybott> Anybody on here an expert that could do that with no prob?
[08:17] <jza873> experts get paid
[08:17] <ybott> heh
[08:17] <ybott> well?
[08:18] <ybott> I swear I have spent over 20 hours trying to set it up...
[08:18] <ybott> i'm tired of it.
[08:18] <ybott> need help ;P
[08:18] <Hc\> umm, how can i accept a licence agreement? im installing java
[08:19] <jza873> grr im doing java too i forget the apt-get for it
[08:19] <jza873> java is a pain
[08:19] <xushi> just scroll through the few tens of pages of license pretending you're reeding it, and accept it in the end
[08:19] <Hc\> ye
[08:19] <jza873> ohh yea
[08:19] <Hc\> got it now
[08:19] <jza873> i for got
[08:19] <Hc\> it didnt respond me
[08:19] <Hc\> now i got it =)
[08:19] <Hc\> sry for interrupting
[08:20] <Hc\> !flash | Hc\
[08:22] <jza873> flash is so easy comapred to java
[08:23] <apus> can someone help me with asoundconf
[08:23] <apus> Im trying to tell it wich sound card to use
[08:23] <pollyo> It appears that port 80 is closed and completely invisible to the outside world.  I suspect that the isp can block that port.
[08:25] <apus> can you go to websites pollyo?
[08:26] <jza873> u using a router
[08:35] <underdog5004> lol, gf is asleep, no more cuddling required
[08:36] <pollyo> Is the java-6-plugin something one should have for firefox?
[08:36] <pollyo> It says for mozilla in the repository.
[08:36] <pollyo> I'm still not sure how different that would be from firefox.
[08:37] <underdog5004> pollyo, if you want to use java, I would install it.
[08:37] <pollyo> Ok
[08:38] <Cosmo_> on the NVIDIA X server it is no longer showing my second monitor or letting me make adjustments to it, how do I fix this?
[08:40] <pollyo> I'm impressed with how synaptic handles the licensing for java while adept seems to have trouble with such installs.
[08:40] <pollyo> I hope that is something they are working on in adept.
[08:41] <underdog5004> adept and synaptic are both frontends for Apt
[08:41] <Cosmo_> I like synaptic
[08:41] <mackyman> I heard something about adept beeing removed in feisty, anyone else heard something about this?
[08:41] <underdog5004> me too
[08:42] <underdog5004> ^  @ Cosmo_
[08:42] <pollyo> mackyman: Have not idea.  All I can say is that it installed on my system.
[08:42] <Hc\> boot
[08:42] <jza873> nope adept is still here
[08:43] <apus> alright! session 2 of troubleshooting
[08:43] <jza873> later imma go to bed
[08:43] <apus> peeps, I have 2 soundcards, and I dont think programs are using the right one
[08:44] <apus> and by that, I mean they are using the wrong one, I just tested it
[08:45] <cyt> mackyman: We cat get the answer tomorrow ;) # about the adept isue
[08:46] <mackyman> cyt: Yep =)
[08:46] <mackyman> Last day of Edgyness here =)
[08:46] <pollyo> What would they put in its place?
[08:46] <mackyman> There where another program instead... I dunno...
[08:47] <nbcb> anyone knows how to find out the last ip address that ssh log into?
[08:48] <mackyman> nbcb: Do you mean the last you connected to?
[08:48] <kraut> moin
[08:48] <Briareos1> sometimes when i boot my 2 sound devices are in different order: usually the one is /dev/dsp and the other one /dev/dsp1 but sometimes its the other way around. Why is this and what can i do about that?
[08:48] <Briareos1> moin
[08:49] <nbcb> yeah or the history of addresses i make connections to
[08:49] <nbcb> assuming there is no bash history..
[08:49] <nbcb> i thought it would be at /home/x/.ssh/known_host but its all encrypted
[08:49] <mackyman> Checked the /var/log dir?
[08:52] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with medibuntu?
[08:52] <Tm_T> pollyo: doing poll?
[08:52] <Tm_T> pollyo: if you need help, just ask your question ;)
[08:52] <mackyman> medibuntu? Haven't even heard of...
[08:52] <mackyman> For media station?
[08:53] <pollyo> Tm_T: I went to install something and it said am I sure with a warning about trusted sites.
[08:53] <Tm_T> and?
[08:53] <underdog5004> mackyman, no, for doctors
[08:53] <underdog5004> MEDIcal UBUNTU
[08:53] <mackyman> haha
[08:54] <mackyman> Right... *sceptical*
[08:54] <Tm_T> hey kids, you're not very helpful ;)
[08:54] <Tm_T> !medibuntu
[08:54] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[08:54] <Tm_T> pollyo: what is your question?
[08:55] <pollyo> Tm_T: I suspect my first question has to be How does one determine a trusted site?
[08:55] <nbcb> what's the best way to monitor and block websites for a server hosting serveral clients? like block msn etc
[08:55] <Tm_T> pollyo: with a key
[08:55] <Briareos1> or asked in a different way: how does linux determine which soundcard gets which device file?
[08:55] <Tm_T> pollyo: I think all is explained in medibuntu site :)
[08:55] <pollyo> Tm_T: I'll take another look at the website.
[08:56] <pollyo> Tm_T: I was looking at the Repository Howto.  Let me check again to make sure I didn't miss somethign.
[08:56] <Tm_T> pollyo: if you can't find it, slap me and I try to help (not good explaining things)
[08:56] <K`zan> Anyone know how to inset a carrage return in a regular expression?
[08:57] <pollyo> Tm_T: Didn't see anything on the Repository Howto Link.
[08:57] <Tm_T> nbcb: iptables
[08:57] <Tm_T> pollyo: and that medibuntu site?
[08:57] <pollyo> Tm_T: 216.15.101.33
[08:57] <pollyo> Opps..wrong one
[08:57] <Tm_T> =)
[08:57] <nbcb> !firewall
[08:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:57] <pollyo> Tm_T: 216.15.101.33
[08:57] <pollyo> Did it again..
[08:58] <nbcb> Tm_T: is iptables a firewall?
[08:58] <pollyo> medibuntu.sos-sts.com
[08:58] <Tm_T> nbcb: yes
[08:58] <Tm_T> pollyo: yes, does that contain any info?
[08:58] <nbcb> is there a GUI for kde for iptables? i
[08:58] <pollyo> Tm_T: Just a simply how to but it does not discuss this trusted issue.
[08:58] <pollyo> Tm_T: Nor any mention of a key
[08:58] <Briareos1> can you recommend any channel for getting an answer about my soundproblem?
[08:58] <Tm_T> pollyo: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repository.php
[08:59] <Tm_T> Briareos1: check help.ubuntu.com and Gentoo wiki
[08:59] <Tm_T> pollyo: it's very first part in that page ;)
[08:59] <pollyo> Tm_T: Oh my!  I was reading that as a link for 6.06 .
[09:00] <pollyo> Tm_T: Thanks.
[09:00] <nbcb> my connection now is , dsl modem (to outside world) <--> server with dhcp server <--> the rest of the computers .. the gateway of the rest of the computers are set to the dsl modem's ip.. does firewall still worksS?
[09:00] <Tm_T> nbcb: why not
[09:02] <mackyman> Briareos1: Is one soundcard built in and the other is a PCI one?
[09:02] <nbcb> ok.. so it doesn't matter where the gateway is set? i thought gateway should be set to the server's ip
[09:03] <flaccid> the gateway for clients on the LAN is usually going to be the LAN NIC IP of the server which has the WAN NIC
[09:03] <Tm_T> nbcb: IIRC it's enough if it's between users and "the world"
[09:04] <nbcb> ic..but now my clients gateway is set directly to the WAN (dsl modem's ip) .. can my iptable still work?
[09:05] <flaccid> well that shounds like you have bridged it
[09:05] <crazy_penguin> hello all!
[09:05] <Briareos1> mackyman: one is on-board and one is usb
[09:05] <Tm_T> if data goes through firewall...
[09:05] <mackyman> Briareos1: wich one do you wich to use?
[09:05] <flaccid> but yes it will still work if your firewall rules are not ip based, but interface based
[09:05] <nbcb> yeah.. seems like my clients just jump over to the internet although they get their ip from my server which runs dhcp server
[09:06] <flaccid> you can always test
[09:06] <Briareos1> mackyman: basically both - for example the onboard should be for amarok and stuff - and the USB (is a headset) for teamspeak
[09:06] <Tm_T> if physically data connections go thru server, it's all about server settings then
[09:06] <Briareos1> mackyman: all that stuff usually works, but the problem is, that sometimes suddenly the device-files correspond to another device
[09:07] <mackyman> Briareos1: Ahhh, then I understand your dilemma... I thought you just wanted to use one
[09:07] <Briareos1> mackyman: nah :)
[09:07] <Briareos1> mackyman: usually onboard is /dev/dsp and USB is /dev/dsp1
[09:07] <mackyman> Briareos1: Smart thinking thou
[09:07] <Briareos1> mackyman: but this time i booted it was the other way around; i am sure if i reboot it will be okay again - but i don't want to
[09:08] <mackyman> Why reboot? ;)
[09:08] <Tm_T> Briareos1: maybe it's about which device has module first loaded
[09:08] <Briareos1> mackyman: I've searched on that topic long enough and now I want a solution that holds forever :)
[09:08] <mackyman> Briareos1: Understand that
[09:09] <nbcb> dsl modem (x.x.x.1) <--> server (x.x.x.201) <--> clients (x.x.x.205) , gateway for client = x.x.x.1..
[09:09] <Briareos1> Tm_T hmm could be - but why should that suddenly change?
[09:09] <mackyman> Briareos1: Plug in the usb soundcard after boot? =P
[09:09] <nbcb> on my server i can configure firewall right? if so i'll try..
[09:09] <flaccid> i gtg
[09:09] <Tm_T> Briareos1: upstart load stuff parallel, so if one "line" is somehow slower...
[09:09] <Tm_T> nbcb: sure you can
[09:09] <Briareos1> mackyman: thats even more motion for my tired body than doin a reboot with a hit of a finger :P
[09:09] <nbcb> ok!! shall try :>
[09:10] <mackyman> heh
[09:10] <nbcb> !iptables
[09:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[09:10] <dettoaltrimenti_> i have an external hard drive, and I'm deleting a lot of stuff from it, but it's going into the trash of the harddrive inside my computer- is there any way to completely delete it without sending it to the trash?
[09:10] <Briareos1> Tm_T hmm okay - so any suggestions how i could solve that?
[09:10] <Briareos1> Tm_T could i do something in uvdev (or how that thing is named)?
[09:11] <mackyman> Briareos1: Then I'm way out of answers
[09:11] <Briareos1> udev i mean
[09:11] <Briareos1> mackyman thx anyway :)
[09:11] <Tm_T> Briareos1: hmm, blacklist usb card module and load it with delay in init 5 (or whatever it is) perhaps?
[09:11] <Tm_T> Briareos1: actually you can forget delay =)
[09:11] <Briareos1> Tm_T gg why?
[09:12] <mackyman> Briareos1: np
[09:12] <Briareos1> Tm_T i wonder why ... or better if there is an "easy end-user-solution" to this - i guess i am not the only one with it .....
[09:12] <Tm_T> well, when you hit init 5 you have done all "booting" from system point of view
[09:12] <Tm_T> Briareos1: and I know this is bit hacky one idea, but I don't have to deal with boot stuff myself so no idea for neater solution
[09:13] <Briareos1> Tm_T well at least its a nice hint :)
[09:13] <MajorApus> okay so I restarted kubuntu and I get a blank screen when x boots
[09:13] <MajorApus> it happened earlier, it also happened with gpart live cd
[09:14] <MajorApus> but I did use force vesa with gpart
[09:14] <Tm_T> MajorApus: so it's driver issue?
[09:14] <MajorApus> and that worked, so I think I need to force vesa drivers with kubuntu
[09:14] <MajorApus> i think so
[09:14] <Tm_T> MajorApus: what display driver you have?
[09:14] <MajorApus> nv
[09:15] <MajorApus> is that the correct answeR?
[09:15] <mackyman> MajorApus: yep
[09:16] <mackyman> MajorApus: Have you done: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Graphics_Driver_.28NVIDIA.29
[09:17] <MajorApus> alright I will do that once I get back into it
[09:17] <MajorApus> I can do that from recovery mode?
[09:17] <mackyman> Do you have links installed?
[09:18] <mackyman> You can just do it by using ctrl + alt + f1 to get to a virtual console and run the commands from there
[09:19] <workinprocess> <- needs help
[09:19] <I_Web_> -
[09:19] <I_Web_> -
[09:19] <mackyman> and if you don't have another computer to view the guide on, then you can use links to view it one another consle ( ctrl + alt + f2 )
[09:19] <I_Web_>                                          www.ask4chat.com
[09:20] <mackyman> workinprocess: what kind of help?
[09:21] <mackyman> MajorApus: Does that help?
[09:21] <MajorApus> I am printing it
[09:21] <mackyman> ahh
[09:21] <mackyman> kk
[09:21] <MajorApus> I cant get into X at all,
[09:21] <mackyman> point
[09:22] <MajorApus> so how could I even visit a website?
[09:22] <mackyman> Links
[09:22] <MajorApus> oh
[09:22] <MajorApus> well i will try
[09:22] <mackyman> with links you can surf in the terminal or in a virtual console
[09:22] <MajorApus> brb
[09:22] <mackyman> Have helped me very much
[09:22] <dettoaltrimenti_> mackyman do you mean elinks
[09:23] <mackyman> dettoaltrimenti_: I usually use links or links2'
[09:24] <mackyman> dettoaltrimenti_: majority of links2, never used elinks
[09:25] <I_Web_>                                          www.ask4chat.com
[09:25] <I_Web_> -
[09:26] <fdoving> I_Web_: what is it you're trying to do?
[09:26] <workinprocess> I need some help installing a belkins wireless g esb adapter on ubuntu. can anyone help me?
[09:26] <reldruh> hello. I'm trying to get an hp apollo p-2500 printer setup. According to linuxprinting.org it's fully supported under linux but when I try to add it there's no driver listed for it specifically, nor can I find the hpijs driver linuxprinting.org recommends. Can somebody help?
[09:27] <workinprocess> I'm a newb in ubuntu. so I need some specific step by step instructions
[09:27] <reldruh> workinprocess: I can try and help you
[09:27] <apus> alright that worked
[09:27] <apus> thanks tm_t
[09:28] <fdoving> workinprocess: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:28] <reldruh> workinprocess: if it's a usb adapter, go into konsole and run the command lsusb. See if you can find it in the list
[09:29] <Tm_T> apus: what did I do?
[09:30] <pollyo> I like that firestarter program.  It appears much simpler then guarddog in design.
[09:30] <pollyo> Can I use that on kubuntu even though it is for gnome?
[09:30] <Cosmo_> in the nvidia-settings it is no longer showing my second monitor or letting me make adjustments to it like I was able to do before, how do I fix this?
[09:30] <I_Web_> -
[09:30] <unix_infidel> pollyo: i'd imagine so.
[09:30] <I_Web_>                                          www.ask4chat.com
[09:31] <pollyo> I'm going to give it a try and uninstall guarddog if it goes well.
[09:33] <apus> im trying to mount my ntfs in a different location, so Im trying to unmount them, it wont let me
[09:33] <Admiral_Chicago> apus: how are you unmounting it
[09:33] <nbcb> err i need some help on iptables .. i typed iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to 192.168.2.1 and now my server can't go internet
[09:33] <apus> right clicking in conquerer and clicking unmount
[09:33] <nbcb> 192.168.2.1 is my modem's ip
[09:34] <nbcb> how to revert?
[09:34] <Admiral_Chicago> apus: something may be using it, amarok may be playing music or something
[09:34] <Admiral_Chicago> are you sure nothing is using it?
[09:35] <apus> nothing is using it
[09:35] <apus> I did run ntfs configuration tool
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> apus: open up konsole. sudo umount -a
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> pastebin the output
[09:35] <mackyman> pollyo: You can use firestarter, but you have too install some gnome librarys
[09:35] <Cosmo_> is the home folder all I should backup incase I run into any problems when fiesty goes live?
[09:36] <apus> it said device is busy for all mounts
[09:36] <I_Web_> -
[09:36] <I_Web_>                                          www.ask4chat.com
[09:36] <I_Web_> -
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> !kops
[09:36] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[09:37] <Admiral_Chicago> apus: only that?
[09:38] <apus> for each device is said the directory or device is busy, thats it
[09:39] <nbcb> how to revert back my iptables default settings?
[09:39] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, but the output is what I need.
[09:39] <apus> !paste | apus
[09:39] <apus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16213/
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> change the directory you want
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> fdoving: thanks
[09:40] <fdoving> :)
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> then ctrl + O, enter, ctrl + X
[09:41] <space_ninja> I need a 3d model program but I can't find autocad, is there another program like that available for kubuntu?
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> !autocad > Admiral_Chicago
[09:41] <nbcb> !iptables
[09:41] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> then sudo mount -a
[09:43] <apus> thanks,
[09:43] <apus> adept updater says I have 260 some updates available, should I update all?
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> when was the last time you updated?
[09:43] <apus> i just installed 7.04 today
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> ah then I would say yes
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> and to be fair, you installed a release candidate :)
[09:45] <apus> it just seemed like a lot of things, didn't know if it was stuff I didn't even have
[09:46] <mackyman> !autocad > mackyman
[09:46] <apus> the fstab file looks correct, but changes didn't take effect
[09:48] <pollyo> How do you setup remote console with ssh?
[09:48] <pollyo> Or is it already setup on ubuntu?
[09:49] <Cosmo_> is the home folder all I should backup incase I run into any problems when fiesty goes live?
[09:50] <fdoving> pollyo: yoou need to have the 'ssh-server' package installed to provide the remote login service via ssh.
[09:50] <apus> will the fstab file only take effect after a reset
[09:51] <Admiral_Chicago> apus: sudo mount -a will do the same thing, unless there is an error
[09:51] <pollyo> fdoving: Thank you
[09:52] <Sanjeet> Yo.
[09:53] <twentyafterfour> Hello kubuntu,  world
[09:53] <Cosmo_> in the nvidia-settings it is no longer showing my second monitor or letting me make adjustments to it like I was able to do before, how do I fix this?
[09:54] <twentyafterfour> cosmo: did you have both monitors plugged in when you turned the system on?  ....check connections.
[09:55] <Cosmo_> twentyafterfour: yes I did
[09:55] <apus> how do I remove a directory
[09:55] <Sanjeet> rmdir
[09:56] <apus> im supose to know that for school
[09:56] <Cosmo_> I had just rebooted from windows where I had both monitors working this time
[09:56] <Sanjeet> apus: Have a cookie.
[09:57] <apus> man pages arn't usefull if you dont know the command name :P
[09:57] <apus> besides, I can hide behind my noob status for a good 3 months
[09:58] <Sanjeet> [03:55:23] 	<Sanjeet>	rmdir
[09:58] <twentyafterfour> cosmo - both of them used to work on ubuntu as well?  I have nvidia as well but I usually don't use the settings manager because it makes lame xorg.conf files - you might want to look for a backup file - there are usually several versions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf - one of the backups might work correctly.
[09:58] <Sanjeet> rmdir -r directoryname will force removal of the directory, even if files exist
[09:59] <apus> wow, amarok apparently has no problem opening two instances and playing the song twice, off sync, because I still double click
[09:59] <Sanjeet> apus: XMMS!
[09:59] <apus> well luckily for me it was empty
[09:59] <apus> xmms?
[09:59] <apus> sanjeet, do you use konversation
[09:59] <twentyafterfour> strange. heh. you can turn of the single-click activation if you don't like it
[10:00] <apus> I might get used to it, we will see
[10:00] <apus> Im hard core XP fan, i have it tweaked out to no end
[10:00] <apus> im big on having things exactly how I want them and what not
[10:00] <apus> why did I switch?...   .... beryl
[10:01] <twentyafterfour> I'm still not too sure. It seems to make selecting much difficult - I usually like to click, then shift-click to select a bunch of files.
[10:01] <unix_infidel> apus: i switched because of fluxbox.
[10:01] <unix_infidel> :P
[10:01] <twentyafterfour> apus: wmii
[10:01] <twentyafterfour> you know, beryl is awesome, still gives me trouble sometimes, but it's nice. regardless, it's mostly eyecandy
[10:02] <apus> not familar with what fluxbox looks like
[10:02] <Sanjeet> apus, I don't.
[10:02] <apus> actually the 4 desktop around a cube, makes it more intiutive
[10:02] <Sanjeet> apus: XMMS is a great media platyer
[10:02] <twentyafterfour> fluxbox is simple I think
[10:02] <apus> do you hand type my name each time?
[10:02] <apus> wmii?
[10:02] <unix_infidel> i think most nix fanboys are basically unattuned to the way the OS was designed to be used.
[10:02] <Sanjeet> So people know it's directed at you.
[10:03] <Sanjeet> and your client should beep
[10:03] <unix_infidel> and ignorant to the way the OS's direction is pointed.
[10:03] <Sanjeet> unix_infidel: Shut the hell up.
[10:03] <Sanjeet> You're just looking for a fight.
[10:03] <twentyafterfour> wmii is a totally different kind of window manager - ugly and simple unlike beryl
[10:03] <Sanjeet> This is #kubuntu, not ##linux or #*nix fanboys
[10:04] <unix_infidel> Sanjeet: them is fightin words.
[10:04] <Sanjeet> unix_infidel: I have anger. It either gets unleashed on you or Oracle.
[10:04] <Sanjeet> or I fall asleep because it's 4am
[10:04] <unix_infidel> Sanjeet: lol @ Oracle
[10:04] <twentyafterfour> fanboyism
[10:04] <twentyafterfour> where is that channel
[10:05] <Sanjeet> No idea.
[10:05] <apus> nice all my hdds mounted
[10:05] <unix_infidel> Sanjeet: convince your CTO to upgrade to a real DBMS
[10:05] <unix_infidel> :P
[10:06] <apus> is konquerer the main file browser?
[10:06] <Sanjeet> unix_infidel: it's a personal choice. Just takes a hell of a long time to get all the stuff up and running
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> apus: yes.
[10:06] <Sanjeet> I love Oracle, we're just having some issues right now.
[10:06] <unix_infidel> our stuff has too many dimensions to use a simple relational system.
[10:07] <unix_infidel> glad i dont have to admin :)
[10:07] <Sanjeet> heh
[10:07] <Sanjeet> What RDBMS do you use?
[10:07] <apus> anything wrong with putting music on the slowest drive on the system?
[10:07] <unix_infidel> apus: no, its advised.
[10:08] <unix_infidel> music usually takes up less than 256kbps
[10:08] <unix_infidel> in bw
[10:08] <apus> cool, I formated that drive fat32 to be my transfer drive if necessary
[10:08] <apus> and then realized, music is good on any os
[10:08] <unix_infidel> Sanjeet: 10g
[10:08] <unix_infidel> apus: personally, i like my music on fat32
[10:08] <unix_infidel> its easily accessible on any os.
[10:08] <Sanjeet> unix_infidel: And do you hate it?
[10:08] <apus> so I could do this with a gui, or I could be all cool high technically (super paper mario reference) and use konsoel
[10:09] <Sanjeet> I like 10G
[10:09] <unix_infidel> Sanjeet: no, but i dont get paid to make it work either.
[10:09] <mackyman> apus: I will have my music on a special server, only for my music, so that i don't have to take up valuble disk-space for it (grumbles at my way to big music collection )
[10:09] <Sanjeet> I'm already there. It's quite silent.
[10:09] <apus> how do I "cd" based on root, rather than current directory
[10:09] <Sanjeet> cd /place/
[10:10] <apus> how much mackyman
[10:10] <Sanjeet> cd /usr/bin/
[10:10] <apus> okay so the leading / is the trick
[10:10] <Sanjeet> I think so.
[10:10] <mackyman> ~30gb =/
[10:10] <Sanjeet> t
[10:10] <Sanjeet> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk ] 0
[10:10] <Sanjeet> mkj
[10:10] <apus> and I just regretted using caps for the drive names,
[10:10] <Sanjeet> z m
[10:10] <flaccid> yeah / makes it absolute ./ and ../ are relative
[10:10] <apus> thats not too bad macky
[10:10] <Sanjeet> Whoops.
[10:10] <Sanjeet> Dozing off...
[10:10] <apus> I have 250 gigs of tv shows and movies....that I own legally
[10:10] <Sanjeet> o.O
[10:10] <unix_infidel> apus: that's quite a lot in "legal" media
[10:11] <twentyafterfour> ln -s /CAPS_NAME /lowercase_name
[10:11] <mackyman> apus: I guess this duscussion belongs in offtopic =P
[10:11] <mackyman> Aye, back to work anyway
[10:11] <mackyman> bbl
[10:11] <apus> a friend of mine said he will start to buy dvds legit once we get jobs, (we are in college) but he will still rip them to lossless avi files, because he doesn't like watching the intro you cant skip on a dvd player
[10:12] <flaccid> lets stay on topic
[10:13] <Sanjeet> flaccid: What the hell "on topic" are we gonna talk about?
[10:13] <apus> how do I safely purge my fstab i have some duplicate entries
[10:13] <Sanjeet> The detraction is a good indication of the fact that Linux isn't actually that interesting at 4am
[10:13] <Sanjeet> apus: By hand?
[10:13] <fdoving> Sanjeet: if ther is nothing, then please don't talk.
[10:13] <twentyafterfour> yeah ...  how broad is acceptable, without straying? isn't "Kubuntu" a pretty vague topic?
[10:13] <flaccid> its called idling
[10:13] <apus> is there a command sanjeet?
[10:14] <fdoving> twentyafterfour: the topis is not "kubuntu", it's "Kubuntu support".
[10:14] <Sanjeet> fdoving: "A fool speaks when he has to say something, a wise man speaks when he has something to say"
[10:14] <Admiral_Chicago> our channel's topic begins "Kubuntu Support Channel"
[10:14] <flaccid> apus: edit it with a text editor. sudo nano /etc/fstab
[10:14] <apus> cringe at nano
[10:14] <apus> kate all the way man
[10:14] <apus> beryl, package manager, and kate
[10:14] <apus> thats why i switched
[10:14] <fdoving> Sanjeet: right, but the wise man states his opinions in the right places too.
[10:14] <flaccid> well you don't compare a gui to a tui
[10:14] <Sanjeet> fdoving: Why am I proving YOUR point?
[10:15] <flaccid> i use kate all day at work.
[10:15] <flaccid> hehe
[10:16] <apus> if I remove entries from fstab, then go to the disk utility, i can redo it right?
[10:16] <flaccid> yeah you can add / remove entries in fstab whenever
[10:16] <fdoving> apus: it's often smart to use # in the beginning of lines instead of removing them. that way it's easier to get back to the one tha worked.
[10:16] <flaccid> you can unmount drivers using umount and you can mount all in fstab by mount -a or just mount a single drive in fstab: mount /mnt/mountpoint
[10:17] <apus> # is comment in system files?
[10:17] <flaccid> drivers=drives
[10:17] <flaccid> most will use # has a comment. sometimes ;
[10:17] <flaccid> has=as
[10:17] <apus> im a flast learner you watch out
[10:17] <flaccid> im watching
[10:18] <flaccid> :)
[10:18] <apus> we use linux for class (aerospace engineering) but its a bad set up of redhat
[10:18] <apus> just to give you an idea, its dual core hyperthreading xeons
[10:18] <apus> but a single thread can only use 25% cpu
[10:19] <apus> thats not normal is it?
[10:19] <flaccid> i don't know. it has nothign to do with kubuntu
[10:21] <twentyafterfour> fdoving: thanks
[10:21] <unix_infidel> apus: are you using a smp kernel?
[10:21] <unix_infidel> are your applications built optimized for your procs?
[10:22] <apus> I wouldn't know, those are lab computers, but they arn't optimized
[10:22] <flaccid> and they are running redhat lol?
[10:22] <apus> we run single threaded fortran, but the system sees the hyperthreaded core as 2 cores
[10:22] <apus> yes flaccid
[10:23] <flaccid> sounds pretty uncutting edge to me
[10:23] <apus> so it sees 4 cores, thus 25% cpu ussage, it sucks
[10:23] <unix_infidel> lol @ fortran
[10:23] <apus> fortran has its place actually
[10:23] <apus> but yeah its funny
[10:23] <unix_infidel> i'm sure it does.
[10:23] <flaccid> it did have its place. correction.
[10:23] <apus> "what language do you know"  "fortran" .... .... *crickets*   "wtf is fortran"
[10:23] <flaccid> they probably are not using a SMP kernel little lone any kernel flags/optimisation
[10:23] <apus> actually it still does flaccid, it is the fastest number cruncher
[10:24] <flaccid> that is very arguable
[10:24] <unix_infidel> well, they do make some very good wrappers.
[10:24] <flaccid> in fact that is wrong, but since this is #kubuntu i won't waste my breathe
[10:24] <apus> wrong? whats faster
[10:24] <flaccid> maybe discuss it in #fortran
[10:24] <unix_infidel> i think we're about to be jedi'd
[10:24] <flaccid> or #redhat
[10:24] <apus> please dont say a language that uses pointers
[10:25] <flaccid> im not going to say anything because this is not the place to do so
[10:25] <apus> actually tho, aside from redhat, our university is very up to date, the IT department actually gets the money they need
[10:25] <flaccid> i might start policing like Jucato
[10:26] <apus> how do I give myself permissions on the drives I just mounted
[10:27] <pollyo> How can I tell if the ssh-server is running?
[10:27] <flaccid> apus: chmod
[10:27] <fdoving> apus: i usually mount them as myself, if they are removable or if they don't support linux acl/permissions.
[10:27] <flaccid> and also chown to change ownership
[10:28] <flaccid> what type of file system
[10:28] <apus> I need to do it for a ntfs, a fat32 and a ext3
[10:28] <fdoving> pollyo: 'ps ax|grep sshd'
[10:28] <flaccid> !ntfs
[10:28] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:28] <fdoving> apus: is the ext3 removable?
[10:28] <pollyo> Thank yo
[10:28] <pollyo> you
[10:28] <flaccid> apus: ^^ use the guide above to use the correct masks
[10:29] <apus> they are all intenall if thats what you are asking
[10:29] <fdoving> apus: ok. follow the guide :)
[10:29] <apus> oh man
[10:29] <apus> thats big and long
[10:29] <apus> they are already mounted, and I can read them
[10:29] <fdoving> and usefull :)
[10:29] <apus> I just cant write
[10:30] <apus> whats a mask?
[10:30] <apus> actually, that guide doesn't seem to have permissions
[10:31] <flaccid> rw option in fstab
[10:31] <flaccid> apus: it does
[10:31] <flaccid> 1sec i think they changed it
[10:31] <apus> so like, rw--rw
[10:32] <rok> where to find synaptic for kubuntu ?
[10:32] <apus> I remember that from like highschool man, I had to ssh and all that to a webserver, it was kreepy and little evil linux men in red coats tried to kidnapp me
[10:32] <apus> but it was okay because ssh is secure
[10:32] <flaccid> im on phone brb
[10:36] <flaccid> apus: see where it uses ro as an option - that means read only. use rw instead
[10:36] <apus> the properties of my mounted drives seem to be messed they all say 25 free of 29 gigs, but thats way off
[10:36] <apus> in the fstab file?
[10:37] <apus> no nvm
[10:37] <apus> before I do that I need to make sure they are the right partitions, right click properties isn't giving me the right free space
[10:38] <flaccid> there is a technical reason for the difference. but i can't explain. 1 is the calculation based on 1000 or 1024 and the other is space required for format
[10:39] <flaccid> read apus.
[10:40] <apus> I fixed it, they somehow weren't mounted, so the free space was what was left on my kubuntu partition
[10:41] <ubuntu> hi folks
[10:41] <cinex> if I resize a partition with qtparted will it keep the data intact?
[10:42] <apus> okay so I have the correct drives all mounted, I can read all of them, how do I change the permissions for the current user to full acess all all 3 drives
[10:42] <cinex> you can do it in the fstab ap ?
[10:42] <cinex> apus**
[10:42] <apus> dont ask me im noob
[10:42] <apus> can I?
[10:42] <cinex> I think so
[10:42] <cinex> google /etc/fstab
[10:43] <fdoving> apus: for ntfs you probably need to use another driver ntfs-3g or what it's called.
[10:43] <fdoving> apus: for fat it's pretty easy, mount it with your own uid= in fstab.
[10:44] <apus> one of them is mounted "rw" in fstab but I still cant write
[10:44] <fdoving> for ext3, change permissions 'sudo chown yourusername.yourgroupname -R /media/ext3disk'
[10:44] <apus> how do I find my groupname
[10:44] <fdoving> it's the same as your username.
[10:45] <apus> nice, I got the ext3
[10:46] <fdoving> now for fat,  can you paste the fstab line for it?
[10:46] <apus>  /dev/sdc1 /mount/data3 auto nouser,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[10:46] <fdoving> ok. change it to:
[10:48] <fdoving> apus: /dev/sdc /mount/data3 vfat defaults,uid=youruid 0 0
[10:48] <fdoving> apus: you can find your uid with the command 'id -u' in a konsole.
[10:48] <fdoving> it's probably 1000
[10:50] <apus> nice, got the fat working
[10:50] <apus> that leaves ntfs
[10:50] <apus> wait
[10:50] <fdoving> apus: that one you need to figure out yourself. i haven't used ntfs in 10 years.
[10:50] <fdoving> !ntfs-3g | apus
[10:51] <ubotu> apus: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[10:51] <apus> it is working
[10:51] <apus> somehow it started working
[10:51] <fdoving> voodoo magic :)
[10:52] <apus> the way beryl installs is insane
[10:52] <apus> you copy paste 2 things! omg
[10:52] <twentyafterfour_> hey that obotu is pretty cool
[10:52] <fdoving> ubotu: botsnack
[10:52] <ubotu> Yum!
[10:52] <_4strO> lol
[10:56] <zorglu_> q. is feisty officially out ?
[10:57] <txwikinger> zorglu_: IIRC Feisty will official be released tomorrow
[10:58] <txwikinger> +ly
[10:58] <zorglu_> txwikinger: ok thanks. how is the process to upgrade from edgy ? i mean how many people meets issue when upgrading ?
[10:58] <apus> whats pcm in regard to audio
[10:59] <apus> is that what "wav" is from the windows audio panel
[10:59] <zorglu_> apus: this is a format of sound data
[10:59] <txwikinger> You can upgrade by using the upgrade manager
[10:59] <apus> so the pcm slider changes pretty much all audio levels
[10:59] <txwikinger> There are some issues, but there is also a lot of improvement, and maybe until tomorrow the issues will be resolved too
[10:59] <zorglu_> txwikinger: yep that i understand :) i ask for a field experience of how many bug reported :)
[11:00] <zorglu_> txwikinger: ah ok thanks :)
[11:00] <lol7> hi
[11:00] <txwikinger> hi lol7
[11:01] <apus> omg amarok is the best ever
[11:01] <apus> it scanned for and found 10 gigs of music and sorted/whatnot in like 20 seconds
[11:01] <apus> klipper  omg,
[11:02] <apus> guys im excited
[11:05] <apus> how do I change default browser
[11:06] <_4strO> apus: syste'm setting / default app
[11:06] <apus> im not gonna lie, there is about 8 hours of nightmare between downloading the kubuntu iso and getting everything going, but I can already see I'm going to like the switch
[11:08] <_4strO> apus: 8 hours ?
[11:08] <_4strO> i downloaded the iso in 1h
[11:08] <apus> well first it wouldn't start x correctly it was using the wrong driver
[11:09] <apus> finally got into it, then k3b woulnd't burn a cd i needed to repartition, amarok wouldn't load, i couldn't see my ntfs, i had to mess with mounting
[11:09] <lupul> does anyone know where stores amarok the album covers?
[11:09] <apus> didn't have audio,
[11:10] <apus> we also downloaded and tried 3 different isos before we figured out how to boot
[11:11] <apus> but i must sleep
[11:11] <apus> bye and thanks all
[11:11] <_4strO> lupul: ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok
[11:11] <_4strO> lol apus
[11:13] <lupul> ok
[11:13] <lupul> thanks
[11:13] <flaccid> sweet at least apus is sorted
[11:17] <johnt> Hi Folks I would like some help to edit a .wmf file please
[11:18] <johnt> anyone???
[11:18] <_4strO> johnt: ?
[11:19] <johnt> Yes I am trying to open a wmf file to compare it but Gedit refuses saying it does not understand the encoding
[11:19] <_4strO> johnt: try edit them with openoffice
[11:20] <johnt> O-O Open office????
[11:20] <_4strO> johnt: yes
[11:20] <johnt> I never thought of that ok then I will try
[11:21] <flaccid> a wmf file is not text
[11:21] <_4strO> http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-200701-07.xml
[11:21] <flaccid> try a graphics application to open it
[11:22] <_4strO> ooo can manage i think
[11:22] <flaccid> sorry do you want to edit it or use it in a document?
[11:22] <flaccid> _4strO: Ooo can edit the file instead of just embedding it?
[11:24] <_4strO> dont know, never user a type of file like this ;:p
[11:24] <flaccid> hehe
[11:24] <_4strO> f0ck pseudo microsoft files
[11:24] <doneill> i hate filing bugs for two separate programs not 'jiving.'
[11:24] <_4strO> johnt: and then ?
[11:25] <doneill> it's very hard to decide which one isn't doing the correct thing, when there's gray area in how they are supposed to act, exactly.
[11:25] <flaccid> it would need a wrapper at least as its vector: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Metafile
 Sorry I am a bit slow. No go with oo it claims the files are corrupt trys to repair then fails
[11:26] <_4strO> johnt: ok
[11:27] <doneill> skencil can use it.
[11:27] <doneill> or inkscape
[11:27] <doneill> found in adept
[11:27] <_4strO> flaccid: the first para after the menu is 'SetAbortProc exploit'
[11:27] <_4strO> ^^
 the graphics aps do not open it either
[11:28] <_4strO> johnt: perhaps you have to import it
[11:28] <_4strO> not simply open
[11:28] <doneill> as i say... inkscape can read wmf files, as can skencil.
[11:28] <flaccid> yeah
[11:29] <flaccid> _4strO: do you wanna advise johnt to not use it?
[11:29] <flaccid> doneill: sorry i must of missed your msg
[11:30] <_4strO> flaccid: no just kidding
[11:30] <doneill> didn't mean to repeat myself, but i forgot to mention that i was talking about wmf
[11:30] <flaccid> hehe
[11:30] <flaccid> ah ok coo doneill
[11:30] <johnt> the reason I want to read the files is because I am playing around with a terrain editor in "widelands" but my edits do give me a headquarters buidling but the maps with the game do so i want to read the file and see what I have missed
[11:30] <flaccid> try the two programs doneill suggest i guess
[11:31] <flaccid> or use windows
[11:31] <johnt> building
[11:31] <flaccid> sweet
[11:31] <doneill> i have windows running on an old pc, here
[11:31] <doneill> i compile win32 stuff on it, and dust it off to play, when i feel i'm losing touch with mainstream 'puters.
[11:32] <doneill> so i have a question, is it kosher to e-mail a package maintainer directly regarding a bug found in their package
[11:32] <johnt> So apt-get install skensil????
[11:32] <_4strO> johnt: sudo apt-get ...
[11:32] <doneill> johnt: if you'd like, if you prefer apt over adept.
[11:33] <doneill> don't forget to do 'sudo' if you aren't logged in as root
[11:33] <flaccid> doneill: sometimes but generally if its a bug put it on launchpad
[11:34] <doneill> well i have done that much
[11:34] <doneill> so i guess i'll refrain, don't want to hound the guy... yet.
[11:34] <johnt> Thanks all will go and try that
[11:34] <flaccid> thats all you need to do
[11:34] <doneill> it's something of a last straw for me
[11:34] <flaccid> i know what you mean doneill but its not goign to help
[11:35] <flaccid> i get this feeling a lot myself
[11:35] <flaccid> eg. mythtv. but they are finally doing something about that package
[11:36] <doneill> they disabled support for the standard internet protocol in feisty for a while, to cater to legacy devices which only understood the deprecated version...
[11:36] <doneill> but that's because enough people complained :(
[11:36] <flaccid> which protocol?
[11:37] <doneill> Ipv6.
[11:37] <doneill> recently, it has been fixed, mind you.
[11:37] <flaccid> err so there is no problem
[11:37] <doneill> heh
[11:37] <mornfall> hello
[11:37] <doneill> not in that package at least...
[11:37] <flaccid> so why need to email
[11:37] <flaccid> well you have filed a bug
[11:37] <mornfall> anyone with pxe images for kubuntu installer?
[11:37] <doneill> because that's only one of several problems my ipv6-only systems have lately
[11:37] <flaccid> im sure you don't need ipv6
[11:38] <doneill> ifup fails to configure ipv6 on any system with ipv6 compiled into the kernel
[11:38] <doneill> er, i don't use ipv4 at all :/
[11:38] <doneill> at least not this side of my siit router
[11:38] <pollyo> Can anyone suggest a all-in-one printer that works well with linux?
[11:39] <doneill> pollyo, i would be hard-pressed to suggent a printer in any form which works at all with any linux.
[11:39] <doneill> suggest*
[11:39] <flaccid> doneill: ok thats cool. its a bit early to go pure ipv6 so i understand your concern. one can only wait in this open world sometimes
[11:39] <flaccid> http://linux-printing.org
[11:39] <pollyo> doneill: I understand.
[11:40] <txwikinger> pollyo: HP provides a lot of support for Linux including HP-LIP toolbox
[11:40] <pollyo> Anyone have experience with the HP printer system?
[11:40] <flaccid> http://linuxprinting.org/
[11:40] <doneill> flaccid: oh, i still use ipv4 programs, i just run them over ipv6, such as world of warcraft, amarok, stuff like that.
[11:40] <pollyo> flaccid: I'll take another look at those.
[11:40] <txwikinger> I use HP printer under linux for a long time and haven't had a lot of problems
[11:40] <doneill> i'm an early adopter of up and coming technologies, such as linux.  probably why i'm one of the oldest dogs in OSS.
[11:41] <flaccid> yeah but the internet is not ready for you
[11:41] <flaccid> no are some applications sady
[11:41] <pollyo> txwikinger: I can not get a good idea of how well HP printers work.  I have a 712c and it is one of the non-standard printers that do not work with the hp software for linux.
[11:41] <flaccid> sadly
[11:41] <doneill> yeah, but i have that worked out too.
[11:41] <flaccid> but i love your stye, doneill
[11:41] <doneill> i wrote a little gem called tlib
[11:41] <doneill> it wraps syscalls and adapts all ipv4 programs to understand ipv6 almost completely.
[11:41] <doneill> i play world of warcraft daily :)
[11:42] <flaccid> cool
[11:42] <txwikinger> pollyo: I think the 712c has the windows driver partly inplemented inside the firmware or something like that ?
[11:42] <pollyo> txwikinger: I have no idea.  The print quality sucks in linux. That much I know.
[11:42] <txwikinger> ah.
[11:42] <doneill> if the world isn't 'ready' for ipv6, it isn't 'ready' for a linux desktop.
[11:43] <doneill> the problem isn't support really, it's just adapting to different ways of doing things, and culture shock.
[11:43] <txwikinger> The best is probably to look 1) if the vendor officially supports linux, and 2) on the webpage above, what is stated there about the printer
[11:43] <flaccid> pollyo: you know nothing then.
[11:43] <pollyo> flaccid: lol
[11:43] <doneill> when you give up windows you give up a lot of things, and have to hack others, such as wine to make flash animations
[11:43] <pollyo> flaccid: When it comes to linux... I know just about nothing.
[11:43] <flaccid> doneill: hey i agree. im waiting for uptake of SPF for every mail server in the world. is it going to hapen?
[11:44] <flaccid> pollyo: then don't comment on it and give the wrong idea please
[11:44] <flaccid> there are IDEs available to create flash that are open
[11:44] <pollyo> flaccid: I'm commenting on the printer I have.
[11:44] <flaccid> you don't need wine for flash
[11:44] <nbcb> hi i need to watch a video clip on cnn website using firefox in kubuntu but it says i need windows media player.. can i still watch?
[11:44] <doneill> it's possible, but not likely, because nobody has the obligation of pending doom if they don't...
[11:44] <doneill> :)
[11:44] <nbcb> i do have mplayer though
[11:44] <flaccid> pollyo: the whole world does not have your printer so dont make a general comment like that on linux
[11:45] <doneill> nbcb: you can, but they may not let you, heh.
[11:45] <pollyo> flaccid: What comment specifically?
[11:45] <nbcb> what?
[11:45] <pollyo> flaccid: I said my printer doesn't print as well as it does in windows.
[11:45] <flaccid> doneill: thats the case with anything. nobody has to adopt anything. does it matter? yes.
[11:45] <nbcb> is there any way to fake the site to play the video using mplayer?
[11:45] <flaccid> pollyo: [2007-04-18 19:42]  <pollyo> txwikinger: I have no idea.  The print quality sucks in linux. That much I know.
[11:45] <doneill> flaccid: we'll see in 2011 if we're running multilevel NAT with smiles on our faces
[11:45] <flaccid> pollyo: no you didn't
[11:45] <doneill> if we are, i'll be crying in a corner...
[11:45] <pollyo> flaccid: You should read the entire conversation.
[11:46] <flaccid> doneill: yeah right :)
[11:46] <pollyo> flaccid: Your taking it out of context.
[11:46] <doneill> he was referencing HIS printer in particular, not ALL printers...
[11:46] <flaccid> i don't give a fuck pollyo. no context is needed for that comment.
[11:46] <flaccid> no he was making a general comment
[11:46] <pollyo> flaccid: LOL
[11:47] <pollyo> flaccid: Read my comment just prior to that.
[11:47] <doneill> well he was talking specifically about his model of printer
[11:47] <doneill> at the time, anyway.
[11:47] <doneill> anyway polly
[11:47] <doneill> that usually has to do with a few things
[11:47] <flaccid> so what. in the next comment you didn't say linux sux for printing with my printer. you said it in general.
[11:47] <doneill> a) printer driver, are you using generic postscript or pcl5?
[11:48] <flaccid> please realise the difference.
[11:48] <doneill> b) are you printing from TuxPaint or OpenOffice?
[11:48] <pollyo> doneill: I'm not really sure.  I have the printer setup in cups.
[11:48] <flaccid> you can't come to a conclusion of linux even with your hardware if you know nothing about linux.. and you admitted that
[11:48] <elbing> I'm living without windows from 9 years ago. When I buy any hardware, sound card, printer or whatever, I buy a hard I know it will work with my OS (*BSD, Linux or AIX). If I bought a printer that was made for windows, then I'll print in windows.
[11:48] <doneill> pollyo: in that case, check your cups configuration using your local tool, be it your browser or kde control centre...
[11:49] <doneill> elbing: i just write drivers.
[11:49] <elbing> doneill: ok
[11:49] <flaccid> elbing: agreed.
[11:49] <doneill> i have wifi and audio which doesn't work on my laptop.  and for "doesn't work" my music sounds great and my link is stable.
[11:49] <flaccid> doneill: then release those drivers to the community please.
[11:50] <doneill> i have been
[11:50] <doneill> don't worry yourself :)
[11:50] <flaccid> ok cool then
[11:50] <doneill> i thought i mentioned i'm oss
[11:50] <flaccid> which drivers for which models?
[11:50] <elbing> here in my job, we have two pcl printers, one works with linux, one not. We have two subnets, one is active directory. Life is hard if you want
[11:50] <flaccid> doneill: provide links?
[11:50] <johnt> I got a fail with inkscape small paste to follow
[11:50] <doneill> bcm43xx, and the sound i just wangled
[11:50] <doneill> didn't code anything for it
[11:50] <johnt> code  : 3
[11:50] <johnt> what  : Couldn't recognise the image file format for file '/usr/share/games/wide lands/maps/Checkmate.wmf'
[11:52] <flaccid> right so you don't write drivers. thought so.
[11:53] <_4strO> johnt: did you try to import them in ooo (not open them)
[11:54] <asterix14> hallo und guten tag zusammen
 No I do not know how to do that. Do I select import then what??
[11:55] <flaccid> !de
[11:55] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:55] <flaccid> hallo asterix14
[11:55] <nbcb> hi i need to watch a video clip on cnn website using firefox in kubuntu but it says i need windows media player.. can i still watch?
[11:55] <flaccid> oh
[11:55] <flaccid> sorry asterix14
 No I do not know how to do that. Do I select import then what??
[11:55] <asterix14> hallo flaccid
[11:55] <flaccid> heh i didn't even read what you said. what is zusammen
[11:55] <flaccid> asterix14: sorry bad german
[11:56] <_4strO> johnt: ... then you selct your file ...
[11:56] <asterix14> ah
 OK I will go look see what happens
[11:56] <elbing> nbcb: check web source and open the stream link into your kaffeine or xine
[11:58] <nbcb> well i'm really interested in watching the clips about the gunman at VT on cnn website but need windows media player
[11:58] <nbcb> the location is javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/ireports/2007/04/16/ireport.va.tech.shooting.cnn','2009/04/15');
[11:59] <nbcb> how to change it into xine or kaffeine
[12:00] <flaccid> nbcb: ask the developer of the site to use free formats
[12:00] <_4strO> nbcb: by send a mail to the webmaster of the website and asing him to let choice the player ...
[12:01] <_4strO> flaccid: :p
[12:01] <doneill> flaccid: well, there was one for an S3 Savage Twister, but that was just updating the driver to support it.
[12:01] <doneill> most hardware released as 'new' is based on a previous model with a corresponding module and support already written.
[12:01] <nbcb> ic.. its www.cnn.com
[12:02] <flaccid> doneill: i don't care.
[12:02] <doneill> ignorance is bliss...
[12:02] <doneill> but you seem pretty bitter.
[12:02] <nbcb> they would probably ask me to use windows..zzz
 Hate to admit this but I cant find any "import" export yes but not import oo word
[12:03] <flaccid> doneill: there is no tone on irc.
[12:04] <doneill> no, but there is apathy.
[12:04] <_4strO> johnt: will have a look
[12:04] <flaccid> its pretty basic. don't claim to write drivers if you have only 'updated' one.
[12:04] <flaccid> no there isn't doneill
[12:04] <flaccid> lets move on shall we.
[12:04] <doneill> several, thanks.
[12:05] <flaccid> !offtopic > don
[12:05] <flaccid> !offtopic > doneill
[12:05] <_4strO> johnt: strange, in the open box he let me choice wmf file type
[12:05] <flaccid> lets talk about ubuntu and not writing drivers.
 Hate to admit this but I cant find any "import" export yes but not import oo word
[12:05] <doneill> um, right.  elbing, which versions of PCL are they using and/or do you know if the printers support them?
 Sorry
[12:06] <doneill> sorry, pollyo* that was for you.
 Yes for me too but when I try to execute it says the file is corrupt I kanow the files are readable by "wide lands"
[12:07] <elbing> doneill: one is a samsung clp-510 with its own ppd, the other is a konica without ppd
[12:09] <doneill> so what's wrong with the quality?
[12:10] <doneill> i mean, the obvious road would be to simply fix that issue instead of buying a new MFC altogether, right?
[12:14] <johnt> I will try some more searching I guess thanks to all   Bye for now
[12:31] <elbing> doneill: sorry, I was with a customer. MFC? I got an MFC brother running with linux
[12:31] <flaccid> hehe
[12:36] <elles> hello
[12:48] <Hc\\> !wine
[12:48] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:51] <Hc\\> why can't i get wine down?
[12:52] <Tm_T> Hc\\: you don't use axe large enough
[12:52] <Hc\\> sudo apt-get install Wine, aint working, what did i do wrong?
[12:52] <Hc\\> Tm_T axe?
[12:52] <Tm_T> stupid joke :)
[12:52] <Ilokaasu> :P
[12:52] <Tm_T> Hc\\: how it doesn't work?
[12:52] <Tm_T> "doesn't work" tells nothing
[12:53] <Hc\\> unable to lock the administration dirctory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:53] <pollyo> Hc\\: Could it be the cap W?
[12:53] <Hc\\> thats what it says
[12:54] <Hc\\> all i got on is konqueror and shell
[01:00] <flaccid> !lock
[01:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:00] <fdoving> Hc\\: try 'sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[01:01] <flaccid> nice
[01:02] <flaccid> can that be added to factoids for ubotu, fdoving?
[01:02] <fdoving> flaccid: it is there.
[01:02] <fdoving> !adept crash fix
[01:02] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[01:03] <mornfall> ick...
[01:03] <mornfall> poor me
[01:03] <flaccid> oh sweet
[01:03] <flaccid> !find crash
[01:03] <ubotu> Found: crash, crashmail, crashme, lcrash, lcrash-dev
[01:03] <flaccid> hmm that only searches packages?
[01:04] <nokus>    
[01:04] <BluesKaj> !ru
[01:04] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[01:04] <nokus> 
[01:05] <mornfall> dlq? interesting transcription
[01:05] <mornfall> q = ja
[01:05] <mornfall> :-)
[01:06] <mornfall> anyway
[01:06] <mornfall> any volunteers to fix adept?
[01:06] <mornfall> :] 
[01:06] <fdoving> mornfall: no progress in development?.
[01:07] <Hc\\> oh no, i got AMD64, and tried to install it so no wonder that it aint working :D
[01:07] <mornfall> fdoving: unfortunately, i have 2 parttime jobs and a thesis to write
[01:08] <mornfall> plus real life, which may be more of a problem than those three
[01:08] <Ace2016> HI all
[01:09] <charlesHKG> is there any internet radio player like winamp, real player or windows media player that you can use in kubuntu without having to save the url for each and every station???
[01:09] <mornfall> charlesHKG: tried dropping the url on amarok? (just guessing)
[01:09] <fdoving> mornfall: ok. i can help with small fixes. do you use the kde bts?
[01:09] <Ace2016> Is it possible to use two mice at once and have say mouse 1 have the normal commands but the second mouse's button 1 mapped to xorgs button 6 or something and have it do totally different commands?????
[01:10] <charlesHKG> right.....each and every url.....
[01:10] <Ace2016> charlesHKG: Your not asking for a player are you, are you after some sort of app with a list of internet radio stations???
[01:11] <charlesHKG> ok....then is there an app with a list of internet radio stations???
[01:11] <mornfall> charlesHKG: maybe you could put them into the playlist sidebar (there's already a bunch of stations there)
[01:11] <mornfall> charlesHKG: playlists -> radio stations
[01:11] <mornfall> s/stations/streams/
[01:11] <Ace2016> charlesHKG: yup its called tunapie, it has internet radio and tv
[01:12] <charlesHKG> tunapie?
[01:12] <charlesHKG> ok
[01:12] <Ace2016> charlesHKG: yup
[01:12] <mornfall> fdoving: i do, but right now, the stable and development codebases are pretty much diverged
[01:12] <mornfall> fdoving: and i need to finish the dev one to make sense...
[01:12] <mornfall> either way, shower, bbl
[01:15] <BluesKaj> charlesHKG, if you install the latest amarok, it comes with several hundred internet radio stns in it's playlist by default, if this is what you're looking for.
[01:23] <hans> Why can't amarok and kaffeine play files over smb:// ???
[01:23] <hans> and how can i get it to work?
[01:23] <hans> Do I have to use NFS?
[01:25] <dettoaltrimenti_> I'm using Wireless Assistant to connect to my wireless connection, but I have to enter my root password every time I want to start it, and when it disconnects (when I close my laptop, hibernate, anything like that) it won't automatically reconnect. Is there a program that doesn't require the root password and will automatically connect to a preferred network?
[01:25] <fdoving> hans: you should mount the network filesystem to a mountpoint, with for example  the program 'sbm4k', then play from the mounted location. only some programs understands the smb:// addresses.
[01:26] <hans> Well I am on myndng arou laptop.. so it would be nice if I could use a solution that would be tolerant of me roami
[01:27] <hans> is there another program other than smb4k in my experience that causes nothing but trouble
[01:28] <fdoving> hans, there is one more, that does the same job, i don't use it, but i'll find the name for you. hang on.
[01:28] <fdoving> hans: komba2
[01:29] <hans> Ok thanks. I will try out both then
[01:29] <_4strO> hans: did you have the smbclient installed ?
[01:30] <_4strO> hans: dpkg -l | grep smbclient
[01:30] <hans> yes i have smbclient
[01:30] <_4strO> hans: the just use konsueror to browse
[01:30] <_4strO> hans: then just use konsueror to browse
[01:32] <_4strO> when i browse the samba network with konqueror, i've just to click on a file to open it
[01:32] <_4strO> if I click some movie files, kaffeine just read it (over the network)
[01:33] <hans> well mine doesn't
[01:34] <hans> Fresh install of feisty
[01:34] <_4strO> same as i
[01:34] <shawn34> hans, you mean from browser or from file manager?
[01:35] <hans> konqueror
[01:35] <_4strO> hans: think your new user isn't known by the smb server ..
[01:35] <steven_> hello
[01:35] <shawn34> hans, yes but do you mean its not working for local files? or something on a website
[01:35] <asturcuelebre> NL
[01:36] <hans> Amarok says: No suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not supported
[01:36] <hans> I can play the files if I copy them over
[01:36] <hans> The files are on my local smb server
[01:36] <iGadget> hi
[01:37] <iGadget> just tried kubuntu-feisty-beta
[01:37] <steven_> whats it like
[01:37] <iGadget> and updated
[01:37] <iGadget> but... there's no desktop effects anywhere
[01:37] <iGadget> is it an optional package?
[01:38] <_4strO> iGadget: nop, they are not active
[01:39] <_4strO> hans: i have the same pb with amarok (but not w<ith kaffeine)
[01:39] <iGadget> _4strO: okay, but can they be enabled? Ubuntu has this nice little 'enable desktop effects' control applet
[01:39] <iGadget> but I can't find anything like that in kubuntu
[01:39] <_4strO> iGadget: i dont really know becaus i'm using beryl :p
[01:41] <iGadget> _4strO: I see... but they're merging again with compiz, aren't they? So beryl is going to dissappear sometime soon I guess?
[01:41] <_4strO> iGadget: try : desktop-effect in your konsole ;)
[01:41] <iGadget> will try :)
[01:42] <_4strO> iGadget: try desktop-eff + <TAB>
[01:42] <_4strO> dont know the exact name
[01:42] <iGadget> _4strO: the package desktop-effects doesn't seem to be installed at all
[01:43] <iGadget> I wonder what happens when I manually install it, cause it's a gnome-optimized package I presume?
[01:44] <_4strO> iGadget: dont know
[01:44] <fdoving> hans, your problem is actually that amarok defaults to the xine engine, which does not understand smb:// urls.
[01:44] <shawn34> !ipaq
[01:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipaq - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:44] <_4strO> fdoving: gstreamer engine can ?
[01:45] <iGadget> Is the any way I can see in Adept if a given package is gtk or qt optimized?
[01:45] <shawn34> anyone know of a good howto to get windows mobile pocketpc to sync w/kontact via usb ?
[01:45] <livingdaylight> Its the final countdown!!!
[01:45] <_4strO> and why kaffeine does (it's using xine engin too)
[01:46] <iGadget> shawn34: have you tried multisync?
[01:46] <shawn34> no, is it gui?
[01:46] <shawn34> i know the system sees my pocketpc
[01:46] <shawn34> but it doesn't mount it
[01:46] <iGadget> I guess so... I've been told it's your best shot at getting any CE-driven device to work with ubuntu
[01:47] <BluesKaj> is there a rule of thumb how large the / partition vs the /home partition should be ...I do a lot of video editing etc and need lots of disk space for storing these files til they are burned to dvd .
[01:48] <fdoving> BluesKaj: i don't separate / and /home. i just make one huge /
[01:48] <iGadget> shawn34:  right now, the system probably just reads some device ID... I'd be surprised if anything more than that happened out of the box with a CE device
[01:48] <BluesKaj> well, it's a done deal fdoving , my / partition and /home are already partitioned
[01:49] <iGadget> BluesKaj: If I were you, I'd be using a separate (raid0 set of?) drive(s), dedicated to video
[01:49] <shawn34> usb 3-1.3: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[01:49] <shawn34> i get that when i plug it in
[01:50] <iGadget> shawn34: hmmm... that sure sounds like a lot more is happening
[01:50] <iGadget> shawn34: still, your best shot is probably multisync
[01:50] <BluesKaj> I'm not gonna get into raid stuff and seperate drives. I have enuff space, i'd  just like to use it efficiently
[01:50] <shawn34> i will check that out thanks
[01:50] <hans> Hmm I sure have an idea for feisty+1! smb support build in...
[01:51] <iGadget> BluesKaj: your call... but don't be surprised when you get framedrops because the disk is occupied by other processes once in a while
[01:52] <Tm_T> nixternal mooh
[01:52] <Tm_T> err
[01:52] <Tm_T> "mooh"
[01:54] <BluesKaj> hi Tm_T
[01:54] <Tm_T> hi BluesKaj :)
[01:55] <BluesKaj> get any sleep yet Tm_T ? :)
[01:55] <reydelsillon> what program do you guys use to install aplications?
[01:55] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: nope
[01:56] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: and have been rather bust at "work"
[01:56] <BluesKaj> ok
[01:56] <Tm_T> busy even
[01:56] <Tm_T> I really do hate this keyboard :(
[01:57] <reydelsillon> what is the equivalent to ctrl+alt+del in kubuntu?
[01:57] <Tm_T> these keys are higher than me
[01:57] <Tm_T> reydelsillon: how about, ctrl+alt+del
[01:57] <Tm_T> reydelsillon: to be honest, I have no idea what exactly you are asking
[01:57] <reydelsillon> its not for shutdonw. is for closing a application thats working in the background
[01:58] <Tm_T> reydelsillon: ctrl+esc perhaps?
[01:58] <reydelsillon> im trying to open adept. but theres anoter program using the function.
[01:58] <Tm_T> I really don't use defaults so can't remember those very well
[01:59] <reydelsillon> thees a shortcut to terminate aplication, riht?
[02:02] <reydelsillon> anyone with experience using vmware on kubuntu?
[02:07] <JuJuBee> What is a good gui FTP program?
[02:08] <mardi> reydelsillon: do a Ctrl-Esc, that will bring up a processes list
[02:08] <reydelsillon> thanks
[02:08] <mardi> you can also to 'top' in konsole. i prefer htop, shows more info
[02:10] <mardi> *type 'top' in konsole i mean....
[02:10] <kubuntu22> Can anyone tell me if this article ( http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/start-downloading-feisty-now-and-get-it-faster-on-release-day/ ) applies to kubuntu as well as ubuntu
[02:12] <fdoving> kubuntu22: yes, that is a nice method and it also works for kubuntu.
[02:12] <kubuntu22> fdoving: thanks...this will make things much easier, and quicker :)
[02:13] <fdoving> kubuntu22: yes, and it helps keeping the mirrors load down too :)
[02:13] <kubuntu22> :)
[02:14] <JuJuBee> Anybody ? Good gui FTP ?
[02:14] <mardi> JuJuBee: i'd look in Adept
[02:14] <mardi> personally I use konqueror for FTP
[02:15] <JuJuBee> Didn't know I could.
[02:15] <Riddell> fdoving, kubuntu22: I don't recommend that to be widely published, rsync is extreamely CPU and disk intensive and more than a dozen people using it will slow the machine to a crawl
[02:16] <kubuntu22> Riddell: it hit my RSS feeds this morning on planter ubuntu...I'm thinking lots of people are going to see it
[02:16] <JuJuBee> mardi : that's cool.
[02:16] <Riddell> kubuntu22: that'll keep the sysadmins busy
[02:16] <kubuntu22> JuJuBee: start the address off with ftp:// in konquerer
[02:16] <Tm_T> JuJuBee: there's lots of things you can do with Konqueror
[02:17] <mardi> fish:// is my fav :)
[02:17] <JuJuBee> I see.  Do I drag-n-drop files/folders?
[02:17] <Tm_T> apt:/ and man:/ <3
[02:17] <Tm_T> JuJuBee: you can
[02:18] <mardi> do Ctrl-Shift-L if you want a split window in konqueror, Ctrl-Shift-R to go back to single pane
[02:20] <JuJuBee> Cool.  Thanks.
[02:22] <flaccid> w0a you can do heaps
[02:24] <YingFan> hi, i have hald and udev installed and belong to plugdev group Where do i read about how to make an external usb device to be writeable by regular user
[02:24] <shawn34> are there any plugins for kmail/kontact? like weather plugins or somthing?
[02:25] <JuJuBee> What is fish:// ?
[02:25] <mardi> JuJuBee: for ssh
[02:25] <fdoving> JuJuBee: the same as sftp:/ - filebrowsing over ssh.
[02:26] <fdoving> JuJuBee: it's very cool by the way. atleast with public-key authentication.
[02:26] <JuJuBee> Cool.  I'll check it out.
[02:32] <dognews> hi
[02:33] <iGadget> reydelsillon: I'm using vmware player right now on kubuntu
[02:33] <iGadget> I'll check back in 15mins or so
[02:34] <dognews> at what time will new shiny feisty be out tomorrow?
[02:34] <neonlinux> dognews: sorta depends on where u are in the world
[02:35] <dognews> neonlinux: just give me the UTC time ;)
[02:35] <iGadget> hmmm... since when is evolution no more able to connect to Exchange webservers?
[02:36] <shawn34> i installed kweather, selected philadelphia but when i try to update it it says requested station does not exsist
[02:36] <neonlinux> dognews: i wish i could lol.. the people who push the release button are on cest (+0200)
[02:37] <shawn34> anyone know how to get this working?
[02:37] <dognews> neonlinux: and when was it the last time?
[02:38] <neonlinux> well.. im in oz.. here its 10:37... theyre 8 hours behind me :(
[02:38] <neonlinux> and they said they would push the button sometime in their morning
[02:38] <neonlinux> i wish i had a more accurate time frame
[02:38] <Lord_Maynoth_42> could anyone here help me please?  I trying to help fix a bug with the newest kernel... and the AMD 690G chipset
[02:39] <daydream> what's up d.gray-man manga 115
[02:39] <bobstro> JuJuBee: did you get that proxy working ok?
[02:39] <Lord_Maynoth_42> seems the bug was introduced after 2.6.20RC5
[02:39] <Lord_Maynoth_42> they want me to recomplile and test each RC after that
[02:45] <dognews> neonlinux: morning sounds great :)
[02:45] <neonlinux> dognews: lol.. it will be arvo here before i see it :(
[02:46] <dognews> neonlinux: I'm in +2, too and we want to update it on our school network in the afternoon
[02:47] <dognews> neonlinux: 8 hours before us - that would be Australia?
[02:48] <neonlinux> lol. i want to install it on one of our schools servers... have been waiting for this release instead of installing one of the previous ones... yeah.. in australia :)
[02:49] <neonlinux> dognews: gotta install it then add it to the win2k3 domain
[02:50] <dognews> neonlinux: cool (y) I've spent 10 weeks in your great country (near Melbourne) - Australia ist just awesome! (kubuntu, too of course)
[02:51] <neonlinux> dognews: lol.. so sampled the beer, vegimite and the drop bears? lol... ive never been out of it (so i have nothing to compare it to, but glad u found it great).. maybe someday :)
[02:51] <dognews> neonlinux: so, every student at your school will be using kubuntu soon? :)
[02:52] <neonlinux> lol.. i wish... government has a special deal with microsoft... licensing wise.. so unfortunatly.. officially all workstations and servers are windows.... but ive made some... unofficial ones :)
[02:53] <fdoving> kubuntu22: i forgot to mention, you can download the first file from anywhere, you do not need to use rsync for both images. if you first fetch an daily image today from an http/ftp server, you can use rsync to update it tomorrow.
[02:53] <mips> Any idea why I cannot install grub to (hd0,2) but only to (hd0) ???
[02:54] <neonlinux> the teachers at the school needed a file server.... i built a machine with 4 hdds set in raid5 (software raid) kubuntu.. has about 600gb and currently at 32% capacity...
[02:54] <neonlinux> and it only cost about $1000 to build the machine... if we were to buy another win site license it would have been about 200 on top of that wor win2k3
[02:54] <neonlinux> *wor if for.. typo
[02:56] <dognews> neonlinux: :o that windows licensing thing seems to be a bad point about Australia :( - over here in Germany some towns already swiched to linux :) and the official school network system is some suse linux junk
[02:57] <dognews> neonlinux: your file server thing sounds pretty cool :D
[02:58] <neonlinux> dognews: yeah... it sucks... interesting part is... when microsoft was going to stop winxp and only allow vista licenses.. the education system started considering alternatives... as soon as ms heard this there was a sudden change and now were stuck with windows
[02:58] <neonlinux> dognews: yeah.. the file server is neat.. found it alot easier on kubuntu than any other linux distro
[02:59] <dognews> neonlinux: at our school we plan to put kubuntu on all our clients for the students (unfortunately still together with windows) and we'll try to have some free workshops for students
[03:00] <neonlinux> cool :) im gonna see if i can push for a lab with a few machines running opensource software (kubuntu and various apps) see if i can get them in active directory too
[03:00] <Riddell> dognews: excellent!
[03:01] <neonlinux> dognews: so how come your government decided opensource software was ok to use.. was there a sudden change or did ms do something wrong?
[03:02] <neonlinux> dognews: dreaming of oz doing the same really
[03:02] <dognews> neonlinux: "opensource lab" sounds great :)
[03:02] <cristian__> qualcuno sa come posso installre i driver ati della mia 9600 su kubuntu6.10?
[03:03] <dognews> neonlinux: I think it's a question of money ;)
[03:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is it possible to recompile kernel's and make a new liveCD via windows xp... there is a kernel bug which prevents feisty or edgy from installing on my rig...
[03:04] <neonlinux> dognews: i think our government doesnt understand that part
[03:04] <neonlinux> Lord_Maynoth_42: whats the bug?
[03:04] <cristian__> anyone know how to install ati driver on kubuntu 6.10? scuse for my bad english....
[03:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> the amd 690G / SB600 is buggered up in the latest kernels....
[03:05] <mips> Any idea why I cannot install grub to (hd0,2) but only to (hd0) ???
[03:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> the only known working version is 2.6.20RC5
[03:05] <neonlinux> cristian__: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[03:06] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and the only working rig I have now is this machine... and xp is all I have :C I hate XP
[03:06] <Lord_Maynoth_42> *_*
[03:07] <neonlinux> Lord_Maynoth_42: im unsure of specifics but maybe setting the bios to failsafe defaults and finding some boot switches might help
[03:07] <neonlinux> like noapic and nolapic
[03:08] <dognews> neonlinux: our problem only problem at the moment is that we didn't ever do workshops like these - do you know anything about similar projects? Maybe some free and simple ubuntu learning scripts or something?
[03:08] <Lord_Maynoth_42> acpi=off fixes it but disables necessary hardware so its catch22
[03:09] <neonlinux> dognews: all i know is from what ive messed with (usually breaking someting and having to fix it lol)...  wish there were courses.. google has been the best companion really
[03:09] <neonlinux> Lord_Maynoth_42: disables hardware?
[03:10] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well I need my usb
[03:10] <neonlinux> dognews: oh.. and hanging around irc channels like this one :)
[03:10] <Lord_Maynoth_42> to use my keyboard
[03:10] <neonlinux> Lord_Maynoth_42: ill see what i can dig up
[03:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> you guys rule
[03:12] <dognews> neonlinux: yeah (y)
[03:15] <neonlinux> Lord_Maynoth_42: in booting.. where does it get too.. does it boot to gui?
[03:17] <neonlinux> Lord_Maynoth_42: which fiesty did u use (what kernel?)
[03:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> back sorry
[03:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I tried the latest feisty
[03:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> as of yesterday
[03:18] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and edgy
[03:18] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and knoppix
[03:18] <neonlinux> the beta or the daily builds?
[03:18] <Lord_Maynoth_42> just regular beta
[03:18] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[03:18] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I will prolly wait till the official release in a few days
[03:18] <neonlinux> the daily builds might fix it
[03:19] <samx> hi!
[03:19] <neonlinux> theyre gonna be closest to feisty release as possible.
[03:20] <samx> one question plz!
[03:21] <neonlinux> Lord_Maynoth_42: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=412578&highlight=amd+690G
[03:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hehe ya thats me :D
[03:22] <samx> where can i see the programs, that runs on the startup?
[03:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> msconfig
[03:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> haha jk
[03:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sry
[03:22] <samx> 
[03:23] <samx> in kubuntu xD
[03:23] <Jucato> !autostart
[03:23] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:23] <samx> oks tnx
[03:24] <Jucato> samx: but in a fresh default Kubuntu install, what usually happens is that programs and process that you left running when you logged out/shut down are saved in the session and restarted when you log in again
[03:25] <samx> i introduced to start beyl twice, and i what to erase one
[03:25] <neonlinux> Lord_Maynoth_42: have you tried the 64bit build?
[03:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yes I can get it to work sort of...
[03:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it seems very buggy
[03:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> so I am trying to find a solution to the 32bit bug
[03:26] <hans> In smb4k when i mount a folder it unmounts automatically after about a second... why?
[03:26] <neonlinux> so the 64bit boots?
[03:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yes that is correct the bug only affects the 32...
[03:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but the 64bit seems to crash a lot
[03:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> on me
[03:27] <helge> I Use Edgy, I have ATI 9250 and a spasnking new (Acer AL2216W) 22 inch widescreen monitor. My problem is that I can only get the resolution of 120x768 to work. The others get all funny. Suggestions?
[03:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> randomly and I cannot reproduce it
[03:27] <neonlinux> after installing the ati drivers for display?
[03:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> so I went back with winXp
[03:27] <helge> damn, shpuld be 1280x768
[03:28] <helge> damn, should be 1280x768
[03:28] <helge> It also says driver ATI.
[03:30] <helge> I should have a resolution of 1680x1050 and it works all fine in Vista.
[03:33] <neonlinux> Lord_Maynoth_42: only thing i can think of is try the 64bit with noapic nolapic
[03:33] <neonlinux> Lord_Maynoth_42: or wait.. a few hours (yay).. for the release version
[03:34] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hours
[03:34] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[03:34] <Lord_Maynoth_42> *_*
[03:34] <BluesKaj> helge have you installed 'xorg-driver-fglrx', it's available on the repos
[03:34] <Lord_Maynoth_42> when is it due out
[03:34] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[03:34] <rojani> Hi All
[03:34] <neonlinux> umm.. 19th
[03:34] <sasq> just got a 2000dpi mouse and the KDE mouse settings doesnt let me slow it down enough... any hints?
[03:34] <BluesKaj> tomorrow ...maybe :)
[03:34] <Jucato> Lord_Maynoth_42: April 19... but most probably following either UTC or US time
[03:35] <helge> Blueskaj , I will try fglrx . Anything I will have to do?
[03:35] <rojani> I am installing a Ralink chipset wireless card for a friend, drivers are installed but can't detect any network? any idea?
[03:36] <BluesKaj> helge, you may have to do this to reset yourscrn resolutions: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[03:36] <helge> I couldnt get fglrx, it would break som packages.
[03:37] <BluesKaj> helge , install the xorg-driver-fglrx first and try to set the scrn resolutions first
[03:38] <helge> But I couldnt get the package
[03:38] <helge> What should I do first?
[03:38] <BluesKaj> ok then run  'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[03:39] <helge> running xserver
[03:40] <sasq> noone with a modern mouse here?
[03:40] <BluesKaj> modern ?
[03:41] <kubuntu22> like a razor?
[03:47] <yamal> sasq: you might want to try adding something like  Option "Resolution" "2000"  to /etc/X11/xorg.conf mouse section, see http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/mouse.4.html
[03:51] <sasq> yamal: didnt help
[03:52] <icecruncher> do you need any special files to run java -jar? any libraries or stuff like that?
[03:52] <yamal> sasq: probably needs restarting the x server to activate the setting, but even then as the docs say it doesn't work on all devices
[03:53] <sasq> yeah I restarted of course
[03:58] <thefirstdude> is it possible to download a smaller CD image, like with just the basic stuff
[03:58] <YingFan> are all files in /tmp deleted upon reboot???
[03:58] <dawall> hi all!
[03:58] <thefirstdude> can someone tell me if I can download a smaller version of feaisty fawn
[03:59] <dawall> someone up for helping a n00b ?    =)
[03:59] <thefirstdude> their website doesn't offer many options
[04:01] <pascutti> thefirstdude: you can use the upgrading tool...
[04:01] <pascutti> but it will upgrade many things too... a smaller version? i dont know anyone
[04:02] <Pollywog> what is module wfb in xorg?
[04:02] <Pollywog> where do I get it?
[04:02] <neoj> thefirstdude: i dont know. but if you really have that requirement perhaps first installing debian with the netinst image, and then dist-upgrade:ing to ubuntu would be a solution.
[04:04] <dawall> i seem to have made a mess with the accounts or something, I cant use sudo och changing to admin mode under system settings, is it possible to restore this somehow??
[04:04] <thefirstdude> is feisty fawn the latest realease?
[04:04] <mips> yes
[04:04] <gnomefreak> almost
[04:04] <hak5fan> Hi I
[04:04] <mips> although it will only be official tomorrow
[04:04] <hak5fan> hehe hit enter a bit early
[04:06] <Tm_T> Feisty Fawn is scheduled to be released tomorrow... though will be released when ready
[04:06] <bobstro> is there an official howto on migrating from debian to ubuntu that way?
[04:06] <hak5fan> I'm trying to get gmailfs working I followed this guide http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=447218&highlight=gmailfs and I get these errors http://p.rc6.org/index.php?id=91648efbb4 when trying to mount it
[04:09] <Pollywog> are they going to fix this nvidia problem before the release?
[04:09] <lynxo> hello!
[04:09] <Pollywog> apparntly the problem I am having is a common one
[04:09] <lynxo> !install
[04:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[04:10] <lynxo> !automate
[04:10] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[04:10] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, will the adept upgrade notify us feisty beta users, with an auto upgrade ?
[04:10] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: just like any upgrade
[04:10] <BluesKaj> coolness :)
[04:10] <Pollywog> I guess the temp solution is to use nv driver for now
[04:10] <Pollywog> I will try it
[04:12] <Pollywog> yes that works
[04:17] <lynxo> I can't get kubuntu to install i'm on live now...
[04:18] <lynxo> ...
[04:18] <lynxo> !partition
[04:18] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:18] <daydream> how to run php code
[04:19] <lynxo> i open it
[04:19] <meuhlol> hello all
[04:20] <lynxo> !ext2
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <lynxo> EXt
[04:20] <lynxo> !ext
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <meuhlol> someone know how to configure Volume UP and Volume DOWN buttons at my keyboard please? When i press volume down it does -11, -12% of volume
[04:20] <lynxo> !netgear
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netgear - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <lynxo> ...
[04:21] <meuhlol> and I need to do -1% or +1% with these buttons at keyboard
[04:21] <meuhlol> someone can help me please?
[04:22] <bobstro> meuhlol: what sort of keyboard?
[04:24] <meuhlol> bobstro: it's an AZERTY keyboard, with some multimedia buttons (www, e-mail, stop, play/pause, previous, next, mute, vol up, vol down)
[04:25] <meuhlol> bobstro: all buttons works excepting WWW, who don't launch my firefox, and Vol+ does +5 +6% of volume up, and VOL- does -10 -11 -12% of volume down, randomly
[04:25] <bobstro> meuhlol: if you go to system settings->General->Regional & Language->Keyboard Layout, you can select the model there (if there's a match).
[04:25] <meuhlol> it's an Sangha (model builder) but what model to choose?
[04:25] <bobstro> meuhlol: yes, multimedia keyboards are a general problem. i had luck with logitech keyboards.
[04:26] <bobstro> meuhlol: ah, not sure on the generics that aren't listed.
[04:26] <meuhlol> bob
[04:26] <bobstro> meuhlol: there are far more detailed steps building one from scratch. i'd suggest searching the forums and googling for some howto's, since the details will vary widely.
[04:26] <meuhlol> this keyboard works perfect in windows xp pro, how to configure it in kde?
[04:26] <bobstro> meuhlol: i wound up using "hotkeys" for my laptop to enable the xtra buttons.
[04:27] <bobstro> meuhlol: something to TRY (no guarantees). open kmix, go to settings->global shortcuts
[04:27] <meuhlol> bobstro: i make it on PC generik keyboard 105 buttons intl
[04:27] <bobstro> try setting mixer to use those buttons there.
[04:28] <meuhlol> it works, but i would like to modify a amount of vol up & vol down buttons
[04:28] <bobstro> meuhlol: you may be in luck if the buttons do *anything*. try the global shortcuts i just suggested.
[04:28] <meuhlol> yes im here
[04:28] <meuhlol> but it says "nothing" in button
[04:28] <bobstro> meuhlol: did you try that yet?
[04:29] <bobstro> meuhlol: at the bottom, where it says shortcut for selected action, click that button with mouse, then press up or down volume key. does that work?
[04:29] <meuhlol> yes
[04:29] <bobstro> meuhlol: select increase or decrease volume up above.
[04:30] <bobstro> meuhlol: ok, press OK to save it, then try it.
[04:30] <bobstro> meuhlol: still random amounts?
[04:30] <meuhlol> it works, bobstro, but vol+ first press = +5% volume up, second time press = +7% volume up... I would like to modify this amount, to make all times +1%
[04:30] <meuhlol> always +6 or +7
[04:30] <bobstro> meuhlol: still the same? ok, sorry. it was worth a shot.
[04:31] <meuhlol> and -6% -7% on voldown
[04:31] <meuhlol> bobstro it works, but i dunno where to change the amount :s
[04:32] <bobstro> meuhlol: i'm afraid i haven't seen that selection. i thought perhaps the wrong keycodes were being sent.
[04:32] <mik21> hello from barcelona!!!
[04:32] <meuhlol> but the keys works nice, have a response
[04:32] <meuhlol> but amount, it's affraiding me
[04:33] <bobstro> meuhlol: there are a lot of guides on this subject, but it doesn't seem to be standardized. what works for one keyboard model may be completely different from others.
[04:33] <meuhlol> have u an link?
[04:33] <sonicGB> i can has cheeze burger?
[04:34] <bobstro> meuhlol: here's one for my logitech but it may not apply http://symlink.dk/linux/config/logitech/
[04:34] <tennents> hi
[04:34] <bobstro> meuhlol: it may get you started at least.
[04:34] <meuhlol> i lookin
[04:34] <tennents> anyone knows a dvb-s softcam for mythtv?????
[04:34] <meuhlol> be back
[04:36] <bobstro> meuhlol: the part on xev may be the key. on my latest keyboard, only half the keys respond.
[04:38] <lynxo> ne1 know how i can install this?
[04:38] <lynxo> kubuntu installer keeps erroring.
[04:38] <lynxo> it just crashes
[04:40] <ferret_0568> In Kopete, how do I send PGP messages as is, without displaying a "This message is encrypted" message only?
[04:40] <ferret_0568> That message is useless!
[04:41] <ferret_0568> I put one x instead of a dash in the "END PGP MESSAGE" header, and tell the other party to replace it with a dash, and then they say it doesn't work!
[04:41] <thefirstdude> can  just change my sources.list from dapper to edgy to upgrade?
[04:41] <ferret_0568> Why does KDE have so many problems?
[04:41] <ferret_0568> With GNOME, none of this
[04:42] <ferret_0568> I like KDE better, just what to do with these silly problems?
[04:42] <ferret_0568> The other party is using Gaim
[04:43] <ferret_0568> thefirstdude: no
[04:44] <tackat> ferret_0568: there's a channel "#kopete" ;-)
[04:45] <thefirstdude> how can I easily upgrade?
[04:47] <Agnar> !upgrade | thefirstdude
[04:47] <ubotu> thefirstdude: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[04:57] <kubuntu22> hmm
[05:01] <bobdhicks> What's going on with "kai"?
[05:01] <BluesKaj> !op
[05:01] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[05:01] <BluesKaj> flooding the ch with joins and quits
[05:02] <BluesKaj> Mez, ban kai , he's flooding, with joins and quits
[05:03] <wolferine> wow
[05:03] <BluesKaj> thx Jucato
[05:03] <wolferine> nfs is SOO much better than Samba
[05:03] <wolferine> lol
[05:03] <Jucato> ok that wasn't pretty
[05:03] <BluesKaj> how wolferine ?
[05:03] <wolferine> so easy to setup
[05:03] <ferret_0568> ok, KDE is going bye-bye, I'm sick of it already!
[05:03] <wolferine> ferret_0568, Gnome is really nice
[05:03] <wolferine> despite what ppl say
[05:04] <BluesKaj> then go join ubuntu
[05:04] <ferret_0568> I would have liked KDE better, if it didn't have a million small bugs!
[05:04] <jl> buenas
[05:04] <ferret_0568> Can't even send and receive files across AIM through Kopete!
[05:04] <ferret_0568> bye
[05:05] <wolferine> um
[05:05] <ferret_0568> It's sad that KDE doesn't work...
[05:05] <wolferine> that has nothing to do with KDE
[05:05] <BluesKaj> sorry your experience wit it is so buggy , ferret_0568...bye
[05:05] <wolferine> lol
[05:05] <jl> alguien en espaol
[05:05] <Dr_willis> I agree with you wolferine
[05:05] <Jucato> !es | jl
[05:05] <ubotu> jl: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:05] <wolferine> thanks jucato
[05:05] <wolferine> i have to get use to using that
[05:05] <jl> thanks
[05:05] <Dr_willis> of course if you give up on everything that has a few little bugs here and there.. well.. soon you give up on everything.
[05:06] <kubuntu22> !kopete | ferret_0568
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <wolferine> if I knew the country code...
[05:06] <wolferine> lol
[05:06] <wolferine> Dr_willis, sent me back to winblows a time or two
[05:06] <BluesKaj> ok , wolferine ,does nfs work better than samba on a mixed OS network ?
[05:06] <ferret_0568> One thing will save me, if I use Gaim, that would fix it, but then, I would still need a note taking app, a good one
[05:06] <Dr_willis> wolferine,  then the spyware invasion sends you back to Linux.
[05:06] <wolferine> BluesKaj, of course not
[05:06] <wolferine> but why would I add in win :)
[05:07] <wolferine> hehe
[05:07] <Jucato> ferret_0568: basket?
[05:07] <wolferine> true that Dr_willis
[05:07] <wolferine> lol
[05:07] <ferret_0568> It has Kontact integration compiled in with Ubuntu's package
[05:07] <ferret_0568> I hate that
[05:07] <Dr_willis> wolferine,  and its sicking the windows machines that ive had to 'rescue' from 'IM program' infections.. :)
[05:07] <Dr_willis> well lunch time.
[05:08] <ferret_0568> And, I couldn't get BasKet to compile and actually work without crashing
[05:08] <Jucato> ferret_0568: huh? you can turn it off
[05:08] <ferret_0568> Oh, I can?
[05:08] <ferret_0568> Well...ok then
[05:08] <Jucato> yeah...
[05:08] <BluesKaj> hehe , ok then , my wife prefers windows and i  prefer linux> She has her pc and I have mine and we use samba to transfer files between pc's ...hence samba
[05:08] <ferret_0568> Thanks for that tip
[05:08] <Jucato> kontact integration is compiled and enabled in Kubuntu. doesn't mean it can't be turned off
[05:08] <ferret_0568> Can it be turned off by a check box?
[05:09] <Jucato> it just means that you can integrate basket with kontact
[05:09] <Jucato> ferret_0568: Kontact Settings menu -> Configure Kontact -> Select Components button
[05:09] <ferret_0568> I can always turn it off by compiling a newer version
[05:09] <ferret_0568> thanks
[05:09] <ferret_0568> I got saved...
[05:09] <ferret_0568> I'll brb
[05:10] <Jucato> er... compiling a newer version to turn off something? O.o
[05:10] <Jucato> wolferine: this page might help (regarding local ubuntu-channels) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[05:10] <wolferine> thanks Jucato
[05:10] <wolferine> how about all the country codes :)
[05:11] <wolferine> hehe
[05:11] <Jucato> of course, most of the time, you just need to remember es, fr, de, pl, pt, etc
[05:11] <Jucato> wolferine: it's in that page
[05:11] <Jucato> (for me, the harder part is distinguishing between -es and -pt...
[05:11] <ferret_0567_> now, I'm going to install BasKet
[05:11] <wolferine> ah
[05:12] <ferret_0567_> And switch to Gaim soon...
[05:12] <wolferine> i guess its like french and englsih :/
[05:12] <Jucato> ferret_0567_: for kopete issues, you can try asking in #kopete
[05:12] <ferret_0567_> I already did
[05:12] <Jucato> no luck?
[05:12] <ferret_0567_> They say my issue is not fixable
[05:13] <ferret_0567_> Unless Kubuntu updates Kopete to a fixed version (it's a bug), then I'm stuck
[05:13] <jl> k
[05:13] <Jucato> ferret_0567_: which version has the fix?
[05:13] <ferret_0567_> I dunno
[05:13] <ferret_0567_> And, I'm going to have to switch to KDM if I want to use KDE
[05:13] <Jucato> kubuntu feisty has the latest stable KDE/Kopete version. unless they are referring to an unreleased development version
[05:14] <ferret_0567_> I am using Feisty
[05:14] <ferret_0567_> GDM worked with KDE properly in Edgy
[05:14] <iGadget> ohwell
[05:14] <iGadget> off we go
[05:14] <ferret_0567_> The issue is that I only get a log out button, no shutdown or anything on the "Log out" dialog box
[05:15] <wolferine> if I wanted to limit the number of irc connections off this computer, how could I do that?
[05:15] <wolferine> man what?
[05:15] <Jucato> ferret_0567_: that's a normal behavior if you use GDM to run KDE or KDM to run GNOME
[05:15] <Jucato> due to how these *DM's work with their native DE's
[05:16] <ferret_0567_> I really like the Aerials KDE color scheme
[05:16] <ferret_0567_> I use it with the Polyester style
[05:16] <wolferine> polyester?
[05:17] <ferret_0567_> Yeah
[05:17] <wolferine> lol
[05:17] <wolferine> nice
[05:17] <ferret_0567_> It's included with Kubuntu
[05:17] <Jucato> Polyester is the default style for Kubuntu Feisty
[05:17] <ferret_0567_> It looks good with this color scheme
[05:17] <ferret_0567_> It is?
[05:17] <Rebecca> hey peoples, im running kubuntu on a dell d610. this laptop has a centrino with speedstep. it should run at about 1.7ghz when on AC but it always runs at 800mhz regardless.. any idea's how this is fixed?
[05:17] <sasq> wolferine: iptables
[05:17] <wolferine> really?
[05:17] <ferret_0567_> Check the power manager
[05:18] <wolferine> that will limit the number of irc connections?
[05:18] <wolferine> Rebecca, how do you know it runs at 800?
[05:18] <sasq> wolferine: iptables controls the firewall, and the firewall should be able to contain such rules
[05:18] <Rebecca> wolferine: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[05:18] <jame> hi
[05:18] <wolferine> sasq, never thought of that
[05:18] <ferret_0567_> That's a reliable source
[05:18] <jame> I cant get my K-panel up
[05:18] <jame> whats wrong
[05:19] <wolferine> Rebecca, on starting the system, which clock speed is recognized?
[05:19] <jame> its set to hide once muouse leaves top of it
[05:19] <ferret_0567_> Does she have powernowd running?
[05:19] <jame> but it stopped working
[05:19] <Rebecca> wolferine: i'll check
[05:19] <angasule_> jame: does alt+F1 bring it back?
[05:19] <jame> yes
[05:20] <Jucato> angasule_: press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol", then go to Desktop -> Panels and configure your panel from there
[05:20] <jame> but still when mouse leaves it after that is hides again
[05:20] <wolferine> sasq, would you be able to write a quick example of how user1 can only have 2 or less irc connections?
[05:20] <wolferine> or is it a bit complicated?
[05:21] <Jucato> jame: check the Hiding settings of the Panel
[05:21] <jame> changing it to stay up and them hide again helped
[05:21] <jame> now it works again
[05:21] <Jucato> ok
[05:21] <jame> any idea what caused it
[05:21] <Jucato> a bug...
[05:21] <jame> jacato - Orly
[05:21] <Jucato> (which happens a bit often... yet has no way to consistently reproduce)
[05:22] <jame> but has it been reported or solved what causes it to reproduce
[05:22] <wolferine> Rebecca, i guess this is on another machine?
[05:23] <Jucato> jame: like I said, there's no way to consistently reproduce it, therefore, no way to pin it down...
[05:23] <Jucato> but it has happened at times... and I think on Kubuntu only
[05:23] <sasq> wolferine: i sort of knew how to do womething similar with the old fw but dont know how it works in iptanles
[05:23] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:23] <jame> well cant help then :(
[05:24] <Rebecca> wolferine: yeah, im checking the bios now.. hard to see what's recognised on boot because the dell bios doesn't show it.. ill check the boot log actually
[05:24] <wolferine> sasq, np
[05:24] <wolferine> just thought it might be easy
[05:24] <wolferine> Rebecca, it might take some Math :)
[05:25] <jame> jucato; anyway, thanks for your time
[05:25] <ferret_0567_> Yay, Basket works!
[05:25] <Jucato> jame: sure. glad it was fixed
[05:25] <Jucato> ferret_0567_: of course it does :)
[05:25] <ferret_0567_> How can I get it to look like Tomboy Notes in GNOME?
[05:26] <Jucato> Basket is not a Tomboy-clone :)
[05:26] <ferret_0567_> Theres some way to do it
[05:26] <ferret_0567_> Similar to what I want
[05:26] <Jucato> feel free to look around :)
[05:27] <ferret_0567_> I like how the Kubuntu power manager switches my CPU to powersave mode when on battery automatically
[05:27] <ferret_0567_> And to Performance on battery
[05:27] <ferret_0567_> err...AC
[05:27] <kenneth> Does anyone know when the stable iso files for 7.04 will be on ftp servers around the world?
[05:27] <ferret_0567_> My battery isn't too good, it's around 73% max capacity
[05:28] <wolferine> kenneth, impatient :)
[05:28] <kenneth> i have been waiting for severeal month :-)
[05:28] <ferret_0567_> Just upgrade to Feisty now
[05:28] <wolferine> hehe
[05:28] <ferret_0567_> It's stable
[05:28] <stdin> kenneth: when it's released, it should be on all the mirrors about a day after (depends on the mirror)
[05:28] <ferret_0567_> I can't see a problem
[05:28] <wolferine> yeah, you can update it
[05:29] <kenneth> Im currently using kubuntu 7.04 beta, but im upgrading and updating every day :-)
[05:29] <ferret_0567_> Except for my laptop freezing once a day if I leave the wireless card plugged in...but that's normal
[05:30] <Jucato> kenneth: then no need for you to get ISO's unless you're thinking of reinstalling
[05:30] <ferret_0567_> it happened with Edgy too, and FC6
[05:30] <nate_> how can i give my self access to /dev/imput/js0 ??
[05:30] <wolferine> kenneth, I am updating everyday as well :)
[05:30] <kenneth> That was my plan..
[05:30] <ferret_0567_> chmod it
[05:30] <kenneth> So i dont need to re-install?
[05:30] <Rebecca> wolferine: dmesg mentions a 1.73ghz cpu was found a couple of times during the boot sequence
[05:30] <ferret_0567_> Make user a group of...?
[05:31] <Jucato> kenneth: I might have something that would interest you. hold on a sec
[05:31] <kenneth> :-)
[05:31] <Jucato> kenneth: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/start-downloading-feisty-now-and-get-it-faster-on-release-day/
[05:31] <nate_> the user is already an admin
[05:31] <ferret_0567_> What is interesting is that already, the "development branch" banner has been removed above login already
[05:31] <stdin> Jucato: 404
[05:31] <wolferine> Rebecca, it should be in the BIOS, as to its speed
[05:32] <nate_> i have to use the sudo commands though to do anything
[05:32] <chijin> Something has gone wrong, the page you're looking for can't be found.
[05:32] <wolferine> not sure why the OS would change the clock speed
[05:32] <wolferine> but I am sure its complicated
[05:32] <Jucato> stdin: hm? working here....
[05:32] <kenneth> hehe
[05:32] <Rebecca> wolferine: stepping is enabled but it's the OS that is not controlling it properly
[05:32] <stdin> Jucato: I get a "Something has gone wrong, the page you're looking for can't be found."
[05:32] <Jucato> stdin: ah wait...
[05:32] <Rebecca> wolferine: i do want it stepped down when unplugged :)
[05:32] <ferret_0567_> Mine works fine
[05:32] <Rebecca> wolferine: just not when plugged
[05:33] <ferret_0567_> ok, right click on the power manager...
[05:33] <ferret_0567_> click "Restore..."
[05:33] <Jucato> stdin, kenneth: ah sorry, the post was taken down because apparently it was not a good thing to do
[05:33] <stdin> heh
[05:33] <wolferine> ah
[05:33] <Jucato> sorry :)
[05:33] <wolferine> not sure Rebecca, sorry
[05:33] <Jucato> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/the-rsync-download-post-is-gone/
[05:34] <Rebecca> wolferine: okay :)
[05:34] <ferret_0567_> Can you see "Mains Powered", and "Battery  Powered"
[05:34] <ferret_0567_> ?
[05:34] <Rebecca> ferret_0567_: where?
[05:34] <ferret_0567_> Right click on the battery in the system tray, and click "Restore..."
[05:35] <ferret_0567_> The battery is the power manager
[05:35] <ferret_0567_> Now do you see those items?
[05:36] <ferret_0567_> If you do, there'ss some settings about the CPU frequency scaling policy
[05:36] <Rebecca> ferret_0567_: hmmm.. maybe i need to update that app.. it opens but i don't have those options
[05:36] <ferret_0567_> When my system is battery powered, I have it set to Powersave
[05:37] <ferret_0567_> ok, are you using Edgy, or Feisty?
[05:37] <ferret_0567_> I'm using Feisty
[05:37] <ferret_0567_> It's really good, and stable, too\
[05:37] <euk> How do I report what seems to be a problem with the packaging of Quanta Plus on Edgy?
[05:38] <stdin> !bug
[05:38] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:39] <Rebecca> ferret_0567_: how do i check version
[05:39] <Rebecca> 6.10
[05:39] <Rebecca> i like numbers.. always forget the name
[05:39] <euk> stdin: So simple when you know :-) Thanks
[05:39] <stdin> np :)
[05:40] <ferret_0567_> ok, you should upgrade to Feisty
[05:40] <ferret_0567_> I'll get you a guide...
[05:40] <Rebecca> ferret_0567_: ill do that when im not shaped :)
[05:41] <Jucato> although, since feisty will be released tomorrow, that won't be necessary
[05:41] <Jucato> (the dist-upgrade tool will be made available from the regular repositories, iirc)
[05:43] <kenneth> What IRC network is this channel on?
[05:43] <Jucato> kenneth: freenode
[05:43] <stdin> freenode
[05:43] <ferret_0567_> You know, the "development branch" marker has already been removed
[05:43] <kenneth> ahh
[05:43] <kenneth> never been here before
[05:43] <ferret_0567_> Freenode is awesome
[05:44] <kenneth> Who is running this freenode network?
[05:44] <stdin> !freenode
[05:44] <ubotu> freenode is the IRC network that you're on! See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[05:44] <Jucato> tralalala
[05:44] <Jucato> fast fingers
[05:46] <kenneth> Is this channel related to Canonical in any way?
[05:46] <Jucato> kenneth: no
[05:46] <wolferine> what is required to do a network install?
[05:46] <Jucato> er this channel?
[05:46] <Jucato> or you mean this network?
[05:46] <nixternal> no, like a netboot install I think
[05:47] <nixternal> !netboot
[05:47] <Jucato> oh sorry, that was for kenneth
[05:47] <wolferine> nixternal, talking to me?
[05:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:47] <nixternal> wolferine: yes, sorry
[05:47] <wolferine> give me just a few lines, whats required
[05:47] <kenneth> I mean this channel. Are there any *buntu developers here?
[05:47] <wolferine> CD to boot?
[05:47] <nixternal> wolferine: I think the top one will explain the netboot install
[05:47] <wolferine> then a site to dl from
[05:47] <nixternal> I have never done a netboot with Kubuntu
[05:47] <stdin> kenneth: probably, tho there are more in the -devel channels
[05:47] <wolferine> ah
[05:47] <wolferine> k
[05:48] <Jucato> kenneth: well, not all developers are directly releated to Canonical anyway :)
[05:48] <stdin> kenneth: #kubuntu-devel #ubuntu-devel etc..
[05:49] <tinyx> helllo
[05:49] <ferret_0567_> ok, I'm switching to Gaim, brb
[05:49] <tinyx> How do I open a program that I installed with wine?
[05:49] <Jucato> !away > dhq
[05:50] <stdin> tinyx: "wine /path/to/app.exe" is one way
[05:50] <zerothis> wine program.exe
[05:50] <ferret_0568> back
[05:50] <kenneth> I have been using Ubuntu since version 4.10. As of version 7.04 im using Kubuntu.
[05:50] <stdin> tinyx: or you can do: wine "C:\Program Files\App\App.exe" too
[05:51] <ferret_0568> About the name: Kopete appends "_" automatically to your regular name, if it's not available. Gaim just increments/decrements a number when your regular nick isn't available
[05:51] <tinyx> Is there any way I can put an Icon on my desktop for easier opening?
[05:51] <ferret_0568> Easy
[05:52] <ferret_0568> Right-click on the desktop andf go to new
[05:52] <Cosmo_> in the nvidia-settings it is no longer showing my second monitor or letting me make adjustments to it like I was able to do before, how do I fix this?
[05:52] <stdin> tinyx: yeah, there should be an entry in the kmenu too
[05:52] <ferret_0568> You can right-click on that entry too
[05:52] <Rebecca> are Feisty ISOs available?
[05:52] <ferret_0568> See, you don't need app installers to automatically put icons on the desktop :)
[05:53] <stdin> Rebecca: yeah, tho the final release iso isn't yet
[05:53] <ferret_0568> You can do it yourself with minimal fuss
[05:53] <Rebecca> stdin: okay, ill be patient
[05:53] <ferret_0568> You can upgrade now
[05:53] <tinyx> hum..all I get is the splash screen when I try to open it
[05:53] <ferret_0568> It's easy, and like I said, the "development branch" marker has been removed
[05:54] <ferret_0568> Canonical is rolling the ISO right now, I bet
[05:54] <Rebecca> nah. bandwidth shaped right now.. an iso download would be okay because i could stop/start it easily thouhg
[05:54] <ferret_0568> Oh, BitTorrent?
[05:54] <Rebecca> but it's all good, ill wait
[05:54] <ferret_0568> Some ISP's shape that
[05:54] <Rebecca> ferret_0568: on 7KB down? no thanks ;)
[05:55] <ferret_0568> That slow?
[05:55] <ferret_0568> What are you using?
[05:55] <ferret_0568> I'm using Road Runner
[05:55] <Rebecca> adsl2+
[05:55] <Rebecca> um.. tpg..
[05:55] <Rebecca> in australia
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Veggimite Sandwiches ? :)
[05:56] <Rebecca> anyway. time to crash. thanks for the help ferret_0568 n wolferine :)
[05:56] <wolferine> k
[05:56] <wolferine> np
[05:56] <Rebecca> ill see how feisty goes :)
[05:56] <Dr_willis> 'food from around the world' :)   whats weird here is normal there. lol.
[05:56] <Dr_willis> Feisty is working good here for me.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> a few little issuew here and there.. but nothing major so far
[05:57] <ferret_0568> Oh, I had one issue
[05:57] <ferret_0568> That was easy to fix :)
[05:57] <ferret_0568> I'm hungry...brb
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Ive noticed that the Samba stuff seems a bit.. different then the older releases.
[05:58] <tinyx> Does Kubuntu have a Task Manager like Windows does?
[05:58] <tinyx> You know when you press CTRL-
[05:58] <tinyx> ALT
[05:58] <tinyx> ahh...sry
[05:59] <Dr_willis> tinyx,  hit alt-ctrl-del? or wa it some other keys.. theres a simile rthing
[05:59] <ferret_0568> You can assign that key combo to ksysguard
[05:59] <stdin> tinyx: Ctrl-Esc (default)
[05:59] <ferret_0568> I like that
[05:59] <coreymon77> well, ctrl+alt+bkspc restarts x
[06:00] <Dr_willis> yea dont do that one. :)
[06:00] <ferret_0568> X is the GUI
[06:00] <ferret_0568> Windows is GUI only
[06:00] <stdin> Ctrl-Alt-Del just reboots, so that that either
[06:00] <JohnFlux> ferret_0568: ksysguard is a bit slow to load though - it will be better in kde4
[06:00] <stdin> *not that
[06:00] <coreymon77> then again, when would you really need a ctrl+alt+delete combinatiuon on linux
[06:00] <Jucato> ferret_0568: actually, X isn't the GUI though. it's even lower than that
[06:01] <Dr_willis> under X at this time i just saw alt-ctrl-del - pops up a logout/restart requestor.
[06:01] <coreymon77> noly windoze neds that
[06:01] <coreymon77> only*
[06:01] <coreymon77> meh
[06:01] <ferret_0568> Infact, it's GUI is so deeply integrated into the system, it's in the Windoze NT kernel itself
[06:01] <coreymon77> i usually just use xkill
[06:01] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl-del on the console = go to 'reboot' runlevel.
[06:01] <tinyx> thx guys i figured it out
[06:01] <tinyx> thats awesome
[06:02] <stdin> coreymon77: in case you don't want to go in to a dialog to reboot or dont want to type the command in shell
[06:02] <coreymon77> if somethings acting up for me, i usually just xkill it
[06:02] <ferret_0568> That's why the GUI in Windoze is so fast, no CPU context switches when drawing graphics
[06:02] <coreymon77> oh\
[06:02] <ferret_0568> But, you can slow down Windoze easily :-P
[06:02] <coreymon77> ferret_0568: windoze, fast?!!! since when?!!! those 2 words are oxymorons!!!
[06:02] <stdin> ferret_0568: like turn it on :p
[06:03] <ferret_0568> When you first get it, it's fast
[06:03] <tinyx> Its very possible for Windows to be fast.
[06:03] <coreymon77> ya
[06:03] <tinyx> Linux will take much more of beating though before it slows done
[06:03] <Dr_willis> but then you boot the first time. :)
[06:03] <ferret_0568> Yup
[06:03] <coreymon77> but install 1 thing on it and bam
[06:03] <tinyx> One thing?
[06:03] <tinyx> nahh..
[06:03] <coreymon77> true
[06:03] <coreymon77> not even
[06:03] <stdin> yeah, IE
[06:03] <coreymon77> LOL
[06:03] <tinyx> If you take care of it, it will work better.
[06:03] <ferret_0568> LOL
[06:03] <ferret_0568> I hate taking "care of it"
[06:03] <tinyx> Well Ubuntu has everything you need already installed..
[06:03] <ferret_0568> Yeah
[06:03] <tinyx> and whatever else is in the repos
[06:04] <Dr_willis> when i do an instll of windows.. i normaly have to spend a few hrs UNINSTALLING stuff  - darn shovel ware that dell and others put on the systems.
[06:04] <ferret_0568> See how *slow* it is?
[06:04] <tinyx> Windows runs of third-party software
[06:04] <ferret_0568> Mwahahaha!
[06:04] <ferret_0568> Me too
[06:04] <ferret_0568> I saw on my Dad's work computer, Yahoo Music Jukebox
[06:04] <coreymon77> anyways
[06:04] <lxuser> hola repositorios amule kubuntu edgy?
[06:04] <ferret_0568> Dude, you got a Dell!
[06:05] <ferret_0568> A bunch of junk software
[06:05] <tinyx> I used to have a dual-booted computer... one side had Windows 2000 for Internet, E-Mail, and IM
[06:05] <coreymon77> you guys want to know what the number 1 biggest oxymoron of the century is?
[06:05] <tinyx> and the other had XP for gaming, etc.
[06:05] <stdin> lxuser: universe
[06:05] <firecrotch> !info amule
[06:05] <tinyx> But I don't game as much as I used too... so I never got on XP
[06:05] <ubotu> amule: client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 1239 kB, installed size 3368 kB
[06:05] <ferret_0568> At least Dell put FLAC and OGG support into WMP
[06:05] <coreymon77> biggest oxymoron of the century: Microsoft Works
[06:05] <ferret_0568> I can't install Winamp, he'll get mad
[06:05] <lxuser> stdin: universe ok :s xD , thank
[06:06] <tinyx> I use Limewire for downloading music
[06:06] <coreymon77> okay
[06:06] <coreymon77> so
[06:06] <Rictoo> how would I remove stuff from startup?
[06:06] <tinyx> I'm content with Kubuntu.. it has everything I need.
[06:06] <coreymon77> how did we get into this conversation
[06:06] <tinyx> I'd like to have MySpaceIM... haha
[06:06] <ferret_0568> Use Wine
[06:06] <Rictoo> tinx: Wine ;)
[06:06] <tinyx> I'm trying
[06:06] <coreymon77> wine
[06:06] <Rictoo> How would I remove stuff from startup?
[06:06] <tinyx> it wont start when I do that with konsole
[06:06] <Rictoo> lik programs that startup when the computer starts
[06:07] <coreymon77> Rictoo: what kind of stuff
[06:07] <Rictoo> How would I remove programs fro startup? like msconfig on windows
[06:07] <ferret_0568> ok
[06:07] <Rictoo> like stuff in the tray
[06:07] <ferret_0568> I'll tell you
[06:07] <ferret_0568> Oh
[06:07] <Rictoo> coreymon77: Like stuff in the tray.
[06:07] <ferret_0568> Well, for that, somebody else
[06:07] <Dr_willis> Rictoo,  normally you can 'close' the program and when you logout/back in it rembers and does not restart them
[06:07] <ferret_0568> But, for system services, I can tell you
[06:07] <Rictoo> I have a HORRIBLE wireless connection thing called KNetDockApp
[06:07] <tinyx> Can somebody help me with using Wine to install MySpaceIM
[06:08] <Dr_willis> tried  -->  wine myspaceiminstaller.exe
[06:08] <Dr_willis> or whatever its called.
[06:08] <ferret_0568> I don't use Samba (Windoze File Sharing) or SSH (remote command line access), so I disabled it
[06:08] <Rictoo> Guys, is there anyway to get some wireless conenction manager that tries to reconnect when it disconnects?
[06:08] <ferret_0568> install knetworkmanager
[06:08] <coreymon77> Rictoo: why is in disconnecting
[06:08] <Rictoo> ok
[06:08] <Rictoo> coreymon77: Just normal stuff
[06:08] <coreymon77> it* not in
[06:08] <ferret_0568> For GNOME, nm-applet
[06:08] <Rictoo> I have a horrible house configuration =p
[06:09] <Rictoo> the routers downstairs
[06:09] <Rictoo> sometimes it losses the signal =p
[06:09] <Rictoo> loses*
[06:09] <Rictoo> So KNetworkManager should work?
[06:09] <ferret_0568> Yeah
[06:09] <ferret_0568> I use it
[06:09] <tinyx> When I launch MySpaceIM it will open, and then close itself.
[06:09] <Rictoo> ok :D
[06:09] <Rictoo> Is there any manager especially for wireless, though?
[06:09] <ferret_0568> That one
[06:09] <Rictoo> oh :O
[06:09] <Rictoo> Thanks <3
[06:09] <ferret_0568> Well...it can also manage ethernet
[06:09] <ferret_0568> But not by default
[06:09] <Rictoo> I'm looking forward to Feisty! :D
[06:10] <ferret_0568> You have to put something in some file...
[06:10] <slow-motion> bye
[06:10] <coreymon77> Rictoo: kwifi
[06:10] <coreymon77> !info kwifi
[06:10] <ubotu> Package kwifi does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:10] <coreymon77> !info kwifimanager
[06:10] <ubotu> kwifimanager: wireless lan manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 224 kB, installed size 780 kB
[06:10] <ferret_0568> I wouldn't use that one
[06:10] <Rictoo> oops
[06:11] <Rictoo> im alrady install kneyworkmanager
[06:11] <Rictoo> =/
[06:11] <Rictoo> already installing*
[06:11] <Rictoo> netowork*
[06:11] <coreymon77> ferret_0568: why not, i like it
[06:11] <Rictoo> I CANT SPELL OMG
[06:11] <ferret_0568> Why does Kontact always create list.vcf*?
[06:12] <ferret_0568> That would be on my desktop...
[06:12] <Rictoo> my wireless connection is in eth1
[06:12] <ferret_0568> It's getting annoying
[06:12] <Rictoo> but networkmanager doesn't recognize it
[06:12] <ferret_0568> My wireless connection is in ath0
[06:12] <tinyx> Do I have to keep the terminal open the whole time the program is running?!
[06:12] <ferret_0568> What program?
[06:12] <Rictoo> knetworkmanager
[06:12] <ferret_0568> Yeah
[06:12] <Rictoo> how would I get it to recognize where my conection it? =p
[06:12] <coreymon77> tinyx: yup, if you run it from the terminal
[06:12] <ferret_0568> You could have just pressed Alt+F2
[06:12] <bobdhicks> Newbie question. I tried installing a Windows program using Wine. It didn't work. Can I remove the program by deleting the directory where it is installed, without causing any problems?
[06:13] <ferret_0568> or typed: nohup knetworkmanager
[06:13] <tinyx> Is there any other way to run it
[06:13] <Rictoo> ?
[06:13] <Rictoo> ferret_0568: You're confusing me
[06:13] <Rictoo> Whenever i opened it, it said I was disconnected
[06:13] <stdin> wlassistant maybe
[06:13] <ferret_0568> Well...nohup is advanced
[06:13] <Rictoo> but I'm not
[06:13] <stdin> !info wlassistant
[06:13] <ubotu> wlassistant: User friendly KDE frontend for wireless network connection. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 115 kB, installed size 572 kB
[06:13] <Rictoo> LOLok
[06:13] <Rictoo> I'' just use that XD
[06:13] <zerothis> which wifi manager is easiest for automagically connecting on boot and when in range of known networks?
[06:13] <ferret_0568> Press Alt+F2 and type in knetworkmanager or whatever and press ok or enter
[06:13] <Rictoo> stdin, I already have that
[06:13] <meuhlol> hi
[06:14] <meuhlol> someone can help me please? how can i read a ASF files in kubuntu?
[06:14] <Rictoo> ferret_0568: I did
[06:14] <Rictoo> but I'm saying, it thinks I'm dc'ed
[06:14] <Rictoo> How do I make it use eth1 ?
[06:15] <ferret_0568> I dunno
[06:15] <Rictoo> ...
[06:15] <ferret_0568> eth* is usually for ethernet
[06:15] <Rictoo> I know
[06:15] <Rictoo> but my card wasn't supported, so I did some 1337 h4x
[06:15] <Rictoo> ...
[06:15] <stdin> meuhlol: you probably need w32codecs
[06:15] <stdin> !w32codecs
[06:15] <coreymon77> Rictoo: and what card is this
[06:15] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:15] <Rictoo> and so I ended up with eth1 as wireless =p
[06:15] <Rictoo> er
[06:15] <Rictoo> I forgot :O
[06:15] <ferret_0568> I think you can fix that
[06:15] <Rictoo> I forgot the chipset =/
[06:15] <coreymon77> Rictoo: find it out
[06:15] <Rictoo> its ok
[06:15] <Rictoo> my connection works
[06:15] <Rictoo> that's all that matters =p
[06:16] <Rictoo> lemme try kwifimanager
[06:16] <coreymon77> Rictoo: ya but, if it works natively, without mucking around, thats better
[06:16] <Rictoo> true
[06:16] <ferret_0568> Oh, knetworkmanager is what I'm using
[06:16] <coreymon77> Rictoo: whats the chipset
[06:16] <Rictoo> I used... GAH I FORGET THE NAME
[06:16] <Rictoo> I didn't use ndiswrapper..
[06:16] <aaroncampbell> How can I get the temperatures from my HDDs via Kubuntu Feisty
[06:16] <Rictoo> something with 'fire' in it's name, I think
[06:16] <Rictoo> coreymon77: I said, I forgot =p
[06:16] <coreymon77> Rictoo: do you knwo what the card is?
[06:16] <ferret_0568> Well...I have a fix for knetworkmanager
[06:16] <coreymon77> Rictoo: just the card
[06:16] <Rictoo> hmm
[06:17] <Rictoo> lemme try to remember
[06:17] <Rictoo> ........
[06:17] <Rictoo> isn't the something I can ype command line?
[06:17] <Rictoo> to see?
[06:17] <coreymon77> i dunno
[06:17] <coreymon77> does anybody know of a command to see what network card/chipset you are using
[06:17] <ferret_0568> lspci
[06:18] <Rictoo> ow
[06:18] <meuhlol> stdin i know but after install & overwrite dont work :s
[06:18] <coreymon77> Rictoo: you heard him
[06:18] <Rictoo> I think this thign I used to get my card working on linux made ubuntu think it was ethernet
[06:18] <Rictoo> NO WONDER IT ISN'T RECONNECTING
[06:18] <coreymon77> Rictoo: that commadn should tell you
[06:18] <Rictoo> eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:41:62:BA:26 inet addr:192.168.1.102  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[06:18] <Rictoo> Ubuntu thikns it's ethernet -.-
[06:18] <Rictoo> Not good....
[06:18] <ferret_0568> Rictoo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[06:18] <coreymon77> yup
[06:18] <coreymon77> thats would be a problem
[06:18] <wolferine> making your box into a DHCP server is just like utilizing it as a router, correct?
[06:18] <coreymon77> Rictoo: we need to know what card you are using
[06:19] <Rictoo> ok
[06:19] <stdin> coreymon77: lspci (for PCI), lsusb (for USB) and lspcmcia (for PCMCIA)
[06:19] <Rictoo> lemme try to remember
[06:19] <Rictoo> ...
[06:19] <ferret_0568> Link encap: Ethernet is normal
[06:19] <ferret_0568> If it's named as eth*, that's not normal
[06:19] <jame> what is the virtual machine application that newest kernel supports
[06:19] <jame> (feisty)
[06:19] <Rictoo> ok
[06:19] <Rictoo> WMP54G
[06:19] <coreymon77> Rictoo: laptop or desktop
[06:19] <Rictoo> I don't remmber t chipset
[06:20] <Rictoo> desktop
[06:20] <Rictoo> I don't remember the chipset =/
[06:20] <coreymon77> ill find that out
[06:20] <Rictoo> OH
[06:20] <Rictoo> Ok
[06:20] <Rictoo> I used a program called 'fwcutter'
[06:20] <Rictoo> to get it working under Ubuntu
[06:20] <Rictoo> and it works :D
[06:20] <Rictoo> OH
[06:20] <Rictoo> The chipset is:
[06:20] <Rictoo> BCM43xx
[06:21] <Rictoo> no idea what xx is
[06:21] <Rictoo> =/
[06:21] <ferret_0568> Rictoo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[06:21] <Rictoo> but coreymoon is looking into it
[06:21] <ferret_0568> Your wireless card is eth1?
[06:21] <Rictoo> yeah
[06:21] <Rictoo> fwcutter made it that
[06:21] <Rictoo> for some reason
[06:21] <Rictoo> ..
[06:21] <ferret_0568> That guide will fix it
[06:21] <ferret_0568> Just wait though
[06:22] <Rictoo> oh
[06:22] <Rictoo> kwifimanager works
[06:22] <Rictoo> ...
[06:24] <coreymon77> it does?
[06:24] <coreymon77> anyways, you have a broadcom chip, with usually uses ndis
[06:24] <ferret_0568> BasKet is very close to Tomboy notes
[06:24] <coreymon77> so if it works now, leave it
[06:25] <coreymon77> no reason to be messing with ndis if we dont need to\
[06:25] <cheeseboy> why am i getting port 6881 is blacklisted from torrents?
[06:27] <qkey> Selam
[06:29] <stdin> !tr | qkey
[06:29] <ubotu> qkey: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[06:30] <Tm_T> salami <3
[06:32] <coreymon77> okay...
[06:34] <coreymon77> akward silence
[06:36] <LjL> BOO
[06:36] <coreymon77> somebody say something!!!
[06:36] <jujehmufeh> heya guys
[06:36] <Tm_T> stdin: are you somebody?
[06:37] <jujehmufeh> I was thinking, is kubuntu 7.04 stable enough so I can do my job without any problems?
[06:37] <coreymon77> wait for tomorrow
[06:37] <stdin> Tm_T: I'm A somebody :)
[06:37] <coreymon77> final is released tomorrow right?
[06:37] <coreymon77> !feisty
[06:37] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[06:37] <Tm_T> stdin: interesting name you got
[06:37] <jujehmufeh> coreymon77: it is released tomorrow?
[06:37] <jujehmufeh> I don't like it.
[06:37] <jujehmufeh> i mean, I don't like the name "feisty"
[06:37] <coreymon77> !schedule
[06:37] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[06:38] <jujehmufeh> !dapper
[06:38] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[06:38] <Tm_T> jujehmufeh: then wait next release? ;--P
[06:38] <jujehmufeh> !edgy
[06:38] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[06:38] <stdin> Tm_T: found it while I was board, wasn't used in a few years, so I grabbed it
[06:38] <jujehmufeh> Tm_T: lol :D
[06:38] <coreymon77> well
[06:38] <Tm_T> stdin: A Somebody, I wonder what law allows one letter names
[06:38] <coreymon77> sometime soon
[06:39] <stdin> Tm_T: heh, no A as on "one of", ie: i'm not a nobody, I'm a somebody
[06:40] <jujehmufeh> stdin: nobody is perfect. My name is nobody.
[06:40] <Tm_T> stdin: looks like you didn't get my joke, don't worry, nobody does
[06:40] <Tm_T> I just wonder who's this mr nobody then, I hear him laughing in backrow
[06:40] <stdin> Tm_T: I got it after you said "I wonder what law allows one letter names" :)
[06:42] <Rictoo> How would I uninstall my wireless card driver?
[06:42] <Rictoo> I want to start all over with ndiswrappre =p
[06:42] <ferret_0568> I don't like that the KDE Wallet Manager always wants to open. How do I shut it off?
[06:42] <Rictoo> ferret_0568: How would I uninstall my wireless card driver? =/
[06:43] <ferret_0568> I dunno
[06:43] <Rictoo> ...
[06:43] <ferret_0568> I haven't had any experience with fwcutter
[06:43] <jujehmufeh> Rictoo: how did you install it?
[06:44] <stdin> Rictoo: I suppose you could just unload the module, then blacklist it
[06:45] <Rictoo> well
[06:45] <Rictoo> with fwcutter
[06:45] <Rictoo> it generated the driver files, and then I moved the files to some folder
[06:45] <Rictoo> forgot which xD
[06:45] <Rictoo> ...
[06:45] <Rictoo> what a horrible hack :O
[06:46] <jujehmufeh> >_>
[06:46] <jujehmufeh> download it again
[06:46] <jujehmufeh> then, do "make uninstall"
[06:46] <jujehmufeh> or was it a .deb?
[06:48] <jujehmufeh> Rictoo: sorry, i can't help people who can't type... >_>
[06:48] <carlos_> Any one has problems loading mininova in opera 9.2 (using feisty)?
[06:51] <rstanca> carlos_: works for me...
[06:52] <apus> how would I go about mounting an ISO to install something
[06:52] <Jucato> !iso
[06:52] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[06:53] <qkey> hi
[06:53] <milch> what time feisty will be released?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> milch,  when its done. :)
[06:53] <apus> and I can mount as many as I want?
[06:54] <Dr_willis> milch,  heh - this gets asked like crazy when ever the new releases come out.. have patience.
[06:54] <ferret_0568> milch: Most likely tomorrow
[06:54] <carlos_> rstanca: is working for me now, but didn't for two days :?
[06:54] <milch> i think about keep awake but i dont know if this is useful
[06:55] <carlos_> rstanca: do you have any problems with flash?
[06:55] <apus> anyway I can get a context menu to appear for isos
[06:56] <rstanca> carlos_: nothing yet, still I don`t use the feisty box too much
[06:57] <apus> mount: can't find /mount/data1/ISOs/matlab/R2006bUnixLinuxMacCD1/R2006bUnixLinuxMacCD1.iso in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:57] <arnor> hello World!
[06:58] <apus> can someone help me mount isos
[06:58] <arnor> did someone test Kubuntu 7.04 beta?
[06:58] <apus> I'm on it arnor
[06:58] <arnor> apus: did you see the man page of mount?
[06:58] <milch> the server which serves ubuntu.com is placed in uk. so feisty will be released 0:00 cet -1 (gmt) ? ;-)
[06:58] <arnor> apus: which filesystem do you use with Kubuntu?
[06:59] <apus> 2 partitions on ntfs, 2 on ext3 and 1 on fat32
[06:59] <Horscht> hi, it's me again. ubuntu_, ubuntu__ and Horscht86 from yesterday
[06:59] <arnor> apus: so you don't use ReiserFS?
[06:59] <apus> don't even know what that is
[06:59] <arnor> I just tried to upgrade my Xubuntu 6.10 to Kubuntu 7.04b
[06:59] <arnor> but it does not work :(
[07:00] <Horscht> i am so close to using kubuntu as my default (and only) OS: |-|
[07:00] <Horscht> but i got 2 questions still
[07:00] <jujehmufeh> arnor: how did you try to upgrade?
[07:00] <arnor> does someone know the command to format a ReiserFS parition?
[07:00] <jujehmufeh> Horscht: shoot them :P
[07:00] <arnor> jujehmufeh: with a liveDVD
[07:00] <mhaynes> Can someone advise the simplest reliable way to upgrade from Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty)
[07:00] <pacman> Does anyone know if there is a driver for Linux so that I can add/delete music from my Sansa MP3 player?
[07:00] <jujehmufeh> arnor: use fdisk/cfdisk/qparted or some other formatting applications
[07:00] <jujehmufeh> *application
[07:01] <BluesKaj> reiserfs isn't used with (k)ubuntu , ext is the the deafault fs
[07:01] <Horscht> 1. when i used the live CD and tried to set my resolution to 1400x1050, i got a messed up screen and had to revert back to 1024x786
[07:01] <arnor> jujehmufeh: ok, I'll see. Thanks ;)
[07:01] <jujehmufeh> pacman: how does your mp3 handle music? like iPod, with a special application, or like a normal, say, creative muvo mp3 player, with directories and stuff?
[07:01] <apus> someone told me to mount iso "sudo mount -o loop <file>" but it didn't work
[07:01] <BluesKaj> err default
[07:01] <Horscht> will this be resolved after installing it?
[07:01] <pacman> it worked fine for a couple weeks, now I can't add or delete....
[07:01] <jujehmufeh> Horscht: you might want to check the forums or wiki, I am sure other people will have had the same problem before.
[07:01] <jujehmufeh> brb
[07:01] <pacman> jujehmufeh: I had just been accessing it with Konqueror
[07:02] <apus> would anyone be interested in knowing that the version of k3b that comes with 7.0.4 can't burn cd's, and it needs to be updated before it has any functionality
[07:02] <ferret_0568> Sorry, my system almost ran out of juice
[07:02] <pacman> but now it seems like a permissions issue, even though the permissions are right
[07:02] <pacman> .
[07:02] <Horscht> 2. when I ran kubuntu from live CD, i got an error message after the kubuntu splash/loading screen, telling me "Buffer I/O error on device fd0 logical block 0"
[07:03] <Horscht> after about a minute, it started kubuntu, though
[07:03] <Horscht> what's fd0, and how can i prevent the error?
[07:03] <ferret_0568> If you don't have a floppy drive, you'll get that error
[07:03] <arnor> jujehmufeh: I will try mkreiserfs
[07:03] <milch> fd0 is floppy drive afaik
[07:03] <ferret_0568> fd0 is first floppy drive
[07:03] <Horscht> don't have one, correct
[07:03] <ferret_0568> fd1 is second floppy drive
[07:04] <ferret_0568> and so on
[07:04] <ferret_0568> I don't have a floppy drive either
[07:04] <Horscht> so basicaly it checks for a floppy drive on bootup? Can i disable this check?
[07:04] <ferret_0568> Not on a live cd
[07:04] <milch> maybe the floppy drive is enabled in the bios
[07:05] <Horscht> but on an install? cool
[07:05] <ferret_0568> I believe so
[07:05] <ferret_0568> Linux is so customizable
[07:05] <Horscht> ok, gonna check the resolution issue on the wiki then, and then mabye off i am
[07:05] <Horscht> thanks
[07:08] <apus> sudo -o loop -t <file> <mount location>  ??
[07:08] <apus> sudo mount*
[07:08] <milch> -t filesystem
[07:08] <milch> it should work without -t
[07:09] <wolferine> anyone ever use LDAP?
[07:09] <apus> "sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> "
[07:09] <apus> thats what someone said earlier
[07:09] <milch> yes wolferine
[07:10] <wolferine> useful?
[07:10] <milch> with samba auth
[07:10] <wolferine> Asterisk?
[07:10] <milch> no, but this is very interesting
[07:11] <wolferine> milch, did you setup yourself?
[07:11] <milch> yes
[07:11] <jujehmufeh> back
[07:11] <jujehmufeh> what did I miss?
[07:11] <wolferine> for what?
[07:11] <on3> hi :)
[07:11] <milch> i setup an ldap server for samba authentification
[07:12] <wolferine> ah
[07:12] <wolferine> so something small
[07:13] <milch> yes
[07:13] <wolferine> do you have a link/tutorial?
[07:13] <milch> mom
[07:13] <wolferine> sorry?
[07:14] <apus> whats the command to comment all highlighted lines in kate
[07:14] <malik_> i know its very vague but .......... lately my installation of kubuntu edgy is starting to freeze alot.......any one have same problem?..........mine got worse after i uninstalled amarok1.4.5 coz it was too slow........and reinstalled 1.4.3.........could that be the reason?
[07:14] <LeeJunFan> anyone know of a dialog editor for python/kde ?
[07:14] <milch> wolferine this is german speakin but its correct http://www.ctserver.org/viewtopic.php?t=500&highlight=ldap
[07:14] <milch> it works
[07:14] <wolferine> :)
[07:14] <wolferine> too bad I do not speak German :)
[07:15] <wolferine> are you good at English?
[07:15] <milch> depends on my level of alcohol
[07:15] <wolferine> hehe
[07:16] <wolferine> have you heard of the band Tool?
[07:16] <cox> apus, I reported the k3b problem as bug #26826, which has been confirmed
[07:16] <milch> sounds familiar but i cant remember
[07:16] <wolferine> ok
[07:16] <wolferine> nevermind then
[07:17] <fdoving> apus: ctrl-d
[07:17] <milch> wolferine the ldap authentication doesnt work with edgy, it works with dapper. i have not tested feisty
[07:17] <Horscht> might check back later if i need anymore help
[07:18] <Horscht> thanks so far
[07:18] <wolferine> milch, well its in German, so I probably wont give it a try
[07:18] <wolferine> and I am using Edgy, so maybe that would be good :)
[07:29] <Bergetto> Where can I go for help?
[07:30] <blekos> anyone know the internet release time of ubuntu?
[07:31] <blekos> or what time is going to be released and in which country?
[07:31] <jhutchins> blekos: http://www.ubuntu.com/ still says "Tomorrow", the 19th.
[07:31] <blackflag> Hello all :)
[07:31] <manuel_> hola
[07:31] <Faralel> hello
[07:31] <jhutchins> Mandriva announced their relese today, mirrors are hammered.
[07:32] <manuel_> qu tal?
[07:32] <jhutchins> No way I'm going to get a net install to work today.
[07:32] <blackflag> I want to ssee which users are connected the last days. How can I do this?
[07:32] <blackflag> via ssh
[07:32] <manuel_> soy nuevo en esto as que bueno
[07:32] <apus> does anyone have any experience installing matlab?
[07:33] <blekos> i know, but i'd like to know the time difference with my country... i cant wait...!!!!
[07:33] <manuel_> Algn espaol?
[07:33] <blekos> does anybody now if compiz will be included (but not enabled) in the kubuntu version as well?
[07:34] <manuel_> no espaoles?
[07:35] <jhutchins> blekos: Doesn't compiz use gnome?
[07:35] <jhutchins> !es | manuel_
[07:35] <ubotu> manuel_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:35] <Fara> Kubuntu instalation is very long :/
[07:35] <jhutchins> blackflag: sudo last
[07:35] <manuel_> gracias!
[07:35] <jujehmufeh> Fara: tru gentoo...
[07:35] <blekos> dont know...
[07:35] <jujehmufeh> manuel_: habla espanol?
[07:35] <jujehmufeh> *hablas
[07:35] <manuel_> hablo hablo
[07:35] <Fara> gentoo is difficult no?
[07:35] <internet_> germany??
[07:36] <Fara> I'm very bad in english ^^'
[07:37] <apus> you sound fine ot me fara
[07:38] <internet_> spricht hier keiner deutsch?
[07:38] <jujehmufeh> manuel_: bien :D como estas? :P
[07:38] <blackflag> thanks! :)
[07:38] <manuel_> jujehmufeh: bien, aunque soy nouevo aqu
[07:39] <manuel_> nuevo
[07:39] <apus> when I run a executable by clicking on it i get a slash screen, but thats it, if I strace it from konsole it works
[07:40] <apus> actually, ./matlab works just fine
[07:40] <apus> but clicking on the matlab executable doesn't work
[07:40] <apus> and it didn't makea  shortcut in the programs menu
[07:40] <jujehmufeh> manuel_: soy da Grecia :) No hablo espanol veramente. Queira mucho hablar el espanol, pero no puedo :P I am learning portuguese, though :P
[07:41] <Skowron> Hello
[07:41] <pueppchen> hola
[07:41] <Fara> French and quite bad in english :s
[07:41] <manuel_> hola
[07:41] <jhutchins> apus: that's because your home directory is not in your path.
[07:42] <jhutchins> apus: Make a desktop shortcut to the full pathname and it should run.
[07:42] <jhutchins> apus: Did you compile it from source?
[07:42] <Skowron> i have my own program and i want start it from console like other commands eg: mcedit or ls
[07:42] <pueppchen> bye
[07:42] <manuel_> jujehmufeh hablas muy bien espaol
[07:43] <jujehmufeh> manuel_: lol, graias :P
[07:43] <Skowron> witchout all patch (i want type my_progrogram frome any directory)
[07:43] <stamen> hi, how to check version of KDE
[07:43] <Skowron> 
[07:44] <jhutchins> stamen: help/about KDE in any KDE app.
[07:44] <apus> jhutchins, no I didn't compile it, the shortcut gets the splash screne but that is it
[07:45] <apus> the only way I have gotten it to run is through console
[07:45] <jhutchins> Skowron: Put it somewhere in your path then.
[07:45] <stamen> oo, yes, that was :)
[07:45] <stamen> thank you
[07:45] <Fara> How long during kubuntu instalation?
[07:45] <MegaVolt> hi, im having a kvpnc problem:  http://rafb.net/p/ftBTWE44.html   i can connect but after 60s it will disconnect and reconnect automatically - how can i make a constant vpn connection ?
[07:45] <jhutchins> !fhs | Skowron
[07:45] <ubotu> Skowron: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[07:46] <jhutchins> apus: matlab?
[07:48] <apus> yes
[07:48] <daglo> hello
[07:48] <hendricius> hey guys !
[07:49] <hendricius> I have a question: I had to reinstall my Kubuntu. Now I open the Adept Manager and I do not find a lot of Files anymore... Can anyone recommend me some repositories?
[07:50] <hendricius> e.g putty dissapeared from the list
[07:50] <hendricius> sorry for my newby questions.
[07:51] <what_if> hendricius: in synaptic goto settings, repositories and turn them all on
[07:51] <what_if> hendricius: except mabey source code, and may want to turn the CDROM off
[07:52] <hendricius> synaptic ? ^^
[07:52] <hendricius> sorry I have been using Vista Ultimate before....
[07:52] <what_if> hendricius: the package manager program
[07:52] <what_if> you are running kubuntu right ?
[07:52] <jhutchins> !easysources | hendricius
[07:52] <ubotu> hendricius: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:52] <N6REJ> how can I turn off ipv6 globablly?
[07:53] <N6REJ> morning jhutchins
[07:53] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Morning (not any more here, but...) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[07:53] <N6REJ> jhutchins: true, its after noon almost 1300 now
[07:53] <what_if> hows the beryl kde support ?
[07:54] <jhutchins> what_if: Lousy.
[07:54] <hendricius> thansk, I created the sources list
[07:54] <VR_> who needs beryl when you have native transparency stuff in kde
[07:54] <hendricius> where must I paste it ?
[07:54] <BluesKaj> hendricius, you could try this site : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_EasyUbuntu
[07:54] <what_if> N6REJ: rmmod ipv6
[07:54] <what_if> N6REJ: whats the name mean ??
[07:54] <hendricius> nvm found
[07:54] <N6REJ> what_if: its my ham radio call
[07:55] <what_if> what_if: KL4YFD
[07:55] <what_if> :)
[07:55] <what_if> hihi
[07:55] <N6REJ> nice to meet you.
[07:56] <hendricius> aaah ok thanks
[07:56] <hendricius> good Idea
[07:56] <hendricius> :)
[07:58] <apus> so when I type out the full path in konsole I can start matlab
[07:58] <apus> but a shortcut to matlab, with full path, doesn't work, neither does clicking the executable
[08:00] <what_if> apus: make a small script that starts it in the konsole
[08:00] <what_if> apus: or a shortcut that " runs in terminal"
[08:00] <apus> whats the modifier to start it in background, so closing the konsole wont close the program
[08:00] <[Relic] > Where is the config file for the panel configuration?
[08:00] <apus> what extension does a script have to be
[08:01] <what_if> apus: does not matter
[08:02] <apus> I dont know how to make a script
[08:03] <jhutchins> apus: Modifier is "&"; linux doesn't care about extensions, but the script should be marked as executable, be sure to use #!/bin/<shell> to specify what shell it should use.
[08:03] <apus> shell?
[08:03] <johnny_> k
[08:03] <jhutchins> apus: sh, bash, dash.
[08:03] <jhutchins> apus: The shell is the software that runs commands, it's what you're "in" if you're in a console.
[08:04] <apus> ah okay, I use bash
[08:04] <what_if> what repository would have the win32codecs and dvd playing software ?
[08:04] <what_if> I already have canonical
[08:04] <apus> so I made a file, made it executable, and when I run the file it runs the program
[08:05] <apus> but when I run a shortcut to that file it doesn't
[08:05] <jhutchins> apus: Does the shortcut use the full path?
[08:05] <apus> yes
[08:06] <beig> Hello
[08:06] <apus> it gets to the splash screen but thats it, the only way it has opened all the way is with konsole
[08:07] <apus> wait, myabe I found the issue
[08:07] <apus> the command bin/runmatlab (runmatlab is the script) doesn't run it
[08:07] <apus> but if im in the folder, ./runmatlab, does
[08:08] <beig> how can i disable X to start when i start my PC ? i tried to rename the S70x11-common to K70x11-common in the /etc/rcS.d/ dir but it didnt worked :(
[08:08] <korrx> hi all
[08:09] <BluesKaj> well gents ,  is Feisty officially released tomorrow ?
[08:09] <what_if> beig: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[08:09] <what_if> beig: of kdm, or xdm
[08:10] <aldin> how to play .amr files?
[08:10] <what_if> beig: of course if you've been manually moving things around it may get confused
[08:10] <beig> what_if: but can i still start the x server if i want ?
[08:11] <[Relic] > is there no way of moving the kmenu in the panel, and I need to figure out a way of getting the computer button back too  :(
[08:11] <what_if> beig: yes, just /etc/init.d/gdm start
[08:11] <beig> mhhh, there is no gdm or kdm
[08:12] <aldin> how to play .amr files?
[08:12] <what_if> beig: what do you use ? xdm ?
[08:12] <fdoving> beig: you're almost right. and you're using the best method. renaming from S* to K* is the only way those settintgs will survive upgrades. you're just looking at the wrong file. you should look for kdm or gdm if you're running ubuntu and gnome. and it's not in the rcS.d dir, it's probably in rc2.d/
[08:12] <apus> !paste | apus
[08:12] <beig> i'm runing kubuntu with kde
[08:12] <what_if> beig: then it should be kdm
[08:13] <fdoving> beig: then you should look for /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm and rename it to K99kdm
[08:13] <beig> ok thx, there is a kdm file in rc2, i will try this as soon as possible, thx for your help :)
[08:14] <apus> can someone look at these commands, im trying to run a program   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16286/
[08:16] <what_if> apus: cd to bin and then run the runmatlab  script
[08:16] <Skowron> exit
[08:17] <what_if> apus: it references to PWD so if you are not in bin it fails
[08:17] <apus> but one of them worked
[08:17] <apus> and one didn't
[08:17] <apus> oh
[08:17] <apus> the script references pwd
[08:17] <apus> didn't know thats how it worked
[08:18] <what_if> apus: yeah, PWD = ./
[08:18] <apus> makes sense tho, so scritpts can work on any folder the same way
[08:19] <what_if> apus: what does not make sense ?
[08:19] <jhutchins> !fhs | apus
[08:19] <ubotu> apus: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[08:19] <jhutchins> Have a look at that.
[08:19] <apus> I said it does make sense
[08:19] <apus> running the script from konsole  works, but running a shortcut to the script doesn't
[08:19] <what_if> apus: mabey I should have some coffee... lol
[08:19] <apus> it gets a splash screen then quits
[08:20] <what_if> apus: ma be that PWD thing again... try changing the working directory in the shortcut
[08:20] <what_if> apus: sry, "work path"
[08:21] <apus> doesn't seem to help, it does load the splash screen tho
[08:22] <nate_> Hello
[08:22] <what_if> apus: without being there I dunno...
[08:22] <apus> does the konsole have some permission that a shortcut doesn't?
[08:24] <Dellilah> hi everybody i'm doing a poll for a project in school, do you guys wanna help me? :)
[08:24] <what_if> apus: no, it just may have the PWD wrong, or the command may have to be run in the console
[08:24] <what_if> Dellilah: 42
[08:25] <Dellilah> what_if: :P
[08:25] <apus> can I make a shortcut that opens a konsole, then executes it, then closes the konsole?
[08:26] <what_if> apus: yes
[08:26] <Dellilah> Which is the best disney movie you have ever seen? and what made you so intressed of it
[08:26] <what_if> apus: the advanced options tab at the bottom, run ion colsole/terminal
[08:26] <apus> aslo, is there a way I can use the gui browser to execute my script, clicking it just opens it in kate
[08:27] <apus> where is the advanced options tab?  context menu of the script?
[08:27] <what_if> apus: right click and I think execute is an option... mabey
[08:28] <VR_> where can i get kubuntu stickers?
[08:28] <what_if> apus: in the create new shortcut dialog
[08:28] <VR_> !stickers
[08:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stickers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:28] <what_if> apus: application tab
[08:28] <what_if> !win32codecs
[08:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about win32codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:28] <what_if> !w32codecs
[08:28] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[08:29] <apus> okay found it, that works, now I just need to make it so it doesn't close matlab when I close the console, just add "&" to the end of the script line?
[08:30] <kubuntu22> hey chaps, once the official release of feisty is upon us...for those of us using 7.04 beta, can we just do a simple upgrade to release?
[08:30] <what_if> apus: correct
[08:31] <BluesKaj> yup, that's what I was told kubuntu22
[08:31] <apus> like /home/user/matlab/bin/runmatlab &?
[08:31] <what_if> kubuntu22: #ubuntu+1 is the feisty channel :)
[08:31] <blackflag> !cluster
[08:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cluster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:31] <BluesKaj> what_if, ,lighten up :)
[08:32] <BluesKaj> they're most gnome guys over in #ubuntu+1
[08:32] <what_if> BluesKaj: that was a friendly comment
[08:32] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here
[08:32] <what_if> BluesKaj: hence the :)
[08:32] <BluesKaj> yup
[08:32] <apus> what_if: when I add the & it doesn't do anything
[08:32] <mackyman> When tomorron will feisty be released?
[08:32] <kubuntu22> thanks what_if & BluesKaj
[08:33] <MrBallZ> Hi
[08:33] <what_if> apus: thats odd
[08:33] <MrBallZ> how much longer until we have Feisty ?
[08:33] <apus> when I type in the path in konsole, with &  it actually runs in the terminal, but its a gui program
[08:33] <mackyman> MrBallZ: Somewhen tomorrow ;)
[08:34] <BluesKaj> mackyman , kubuntu22 ...we hope it'll be released tomorrow ..who knows when?
[08:35] <mackyman> I guess there will be in the evening... Better to be late and shure than early and m$ ;)
[08:36] <apus> ill ask our tech guy
[08:38] <MrBallZ> any news on a possible delay , regarding a problem with ide controllers ?
[08:43] <what_if> !dvd
[08:43] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[08:48] <epimeth> ahoy folks...  been a while
[08:49] <tatters> How do I change my ubuntu login too a kubuntu login screen?
[08:50] <epimeth> how's everybody doing?
[08:50] <blueyed> tatters: Install the "kdm" package.
[08:50] <blueyed> tired, epimeth.
[08:51] <tatters> kdm iis installed
[08:53] <hak5fan> Is there a way to reset kmix to the default settings?
[08:54] <tatters> I running feisty, installed kubuntu-desktop and kde ,kdm practically anything that started with a K :P  2 problems my screen resolution changes if I change session and my k/board settings aare uk for gnome and us for kubuntu
[08:55] <tatters> shouldnt desktop setting follow me whateever sesion I use?
[08:57] <N6REJ> would someone please tell me if my site www.thewish.info loads quickly or slowly for you?
[08:59] <eXistenZ> When is feisty officially released?
[08:59] <hak5fan> N6REJ: Very quick but I have a 4.7 mbit connection
[08:59] <zerothis> N6REJ: its slow here
[09:00] <Kristof> eXistenZ: That should be tomorrow.
[09:00] <N6REJ> see it should'nt be slow :(
[09:00] <N6REJ> can I ask where you folks are?
[09:00] <hak5fan> N6REJ: Norway
[09:00] <N6REJ> I have my host on the line and need to explain to him
[09:01] <Kristof> eXistenZ: See http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntudesktop704
[09:01] <hak5fan> Is there a way to reset kmix to the default settings?
[09:02] <jon_> can someone help me get flash working?
[09:02] <jon_> im running on dapper
[09:03] <jon_> ive tried installing it twice
[09:03] <N6REJ> zerothis: where are you pleasE?
[09:05] <zerothis> the stoneaged corner of the United States, Norther California. using a 1.5 mbps cable modem
[09:05] <ferger> when i go to shut down, the monitor goes black and it just sits there
[09:05] <N6REJ> zerothis tyvm!
[09:05] <ferger> anyone else have this problem?
[09:05] <jhutchins> ferger: Laptop?
[09:06] <ferger> no desktop
[09:06] <jhutchins> ferger: Try messing around with the noapci and noapic commands at boot.
[09:06] <trond_> How to set krusader as the default file manager in kde?
[09:06] <jhutchins> ferger: It has to do with the signal the system sends to the bios to shut down.
[09:07] <trond_> I have tried "open with" and "remember" from the desktop icons but that did not work well. Krusader tries to launch than it crashes
[09:08] <pmgordon> l
[09:11] <zerothis> not fammiliar with tyvm
[09:11] <what_if> what program in kde puts usb drives on the desktop an in media:/  ??
[09:12] <fdoving> what_if: the mediamanager kded module, and kdesktop.
[09:13] <what_if> fdoving: how wold I troubleshoot if they quit qorking ??
[09:13] <what_if> fdoving: it worked yesterday
[09:26] <intelikey> well i seem to know nothing at all about xorg.   my fonts are too tiny to read, and i have changed xorg > display >  Modes           "1280x1024"    and    Modes           "640x480"    it has no affect at all on the size of fonts
[09:26] <intelikey> anyone that can shed some light on this for me ?
[09:30] <VSpike> intelikey: what driver are you using?
[09:30] <trond_> How to set krusader as the default file manager in kde?
[09:31] <intelikey> nv
[09:32] <VSpike> the open one? Ah, ok.  I know the closed one basically ignores most of what you put in xorg.conf ... not sure about the open one
[09:33] <VSpike> Font size is normally set by DPI, which is usually read directly from the monitor using EDID
[09:34] <kartal> hi i'm from germany
[09:34] <kartal> greets for all users
[09:34] <VSpike> If that's not working, you should be able to add a flag like UseEDIDDPI "false" or even UseEDID "false"... in the latter case you manually have to specify the refresh rates, physical width and height of the monitor. etc.
[09:34] <intelikey> VSpike ok so how to get fonts large enough to read ?
[09:35] <intelikey> VSpike ok i'll try that
[09:35] <VSpike> I know for the proprietary nvidia driver, all that behaviour and options is in the man page or docs, i forget which.  It is well documented anyway, and I'm sure it would be for nv too
[09:35] <intelikey> k
[09:35] <VSpike> Those flags are for nvidia-glx, so may not be the same.. but have a scan of the documentation for nv for something similar
[09:36] <VSpike> I'm too no0b to know how much of this stuff is common between drivers, sorry
[09:36] <jhutchins> Helo kartal
[09:37] <VSpike> I spent ages trying to make nvidia-glx behave like an old skool xorg.conf and just read every damn thing from the config file and stop all this automagic stuff
[09:39] <jhutchins> VSpike: Too much auto-configuration is not good, like Windows98.
[09:39] <jhutchins> Unfortunately, some of the developers seem to be headed that way.
[09:39] <fdoving> when auto-configuration works it's nice.
[09:40] <jhutchins> fdoving: Unless you want it to be different.
[09:41] <fdoving> sure. but with most autoconfigs you can also do it manually.
[09:41] <jhutchins> Linux is supposed to be about doing what you want to do, not what some soulless marketing commitee in Redmonds thinks you should want to do.
[09:41] <fdoving> .. override the auto-things.
[09:41] <Rythan> Has anyone gotten eclipse 3.3M6 to work on Fiesty?
[09:42] <jhutchins> fdoving: I don't mind the 'suggest and confirm' style auto-configs, and I appreciate hardware being detected automatically.
[09:42] <jhutchins> Not knowing how the computer's going to configure itself each time you boot though...
[09:43] <fdoving> jhutchins: sure, but for distributions compromises has to me made. you're not denied to re-do the install cds and do it your way, the code is there and it's free. but if you don't agree with the decisions made, you will need to either pick one of the other alternatives or do it yourself.
[09:44] <jhutchins> Hopefully the people making the decisions are open to feedback about when autoconfiguration is a good thing and when it isn't.
[09:44] <fdoving> anyone tried the i810 driver with mergedfb?
[09:44] <jhutchins> fdoving: Hah.  I think I had one of those, but I couldn't get my wireless working so I installed something else over it.
[09:45] <jhutchins> fdoving: I may try again.
[09:45] <fdoving> jhutchins: let's hope so. and hope they keep the some hardcore backdoors open for those of us who want to do it the oldfashioned way.
[09:45] <dettoaltrimenti_> what are linux headers used for?
[09:45] <fdoving> jhutchins: an i810 intel graphics thing?
[09:45] <jhutchins> fdoving: Yeah, I think this Toshiba has one.
[09:46] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: to compile stuff that needs to know how to talk to the kernel directly.
[09:46] <jhutchins> fdoving: At least that's what this other distro tried (and failed) to configure for it.
[09:46] <fdoving> jhutchins: ok. i'll get an new dell tomorrow. with an intel graphics, i really need it to do mergedfb, so i hope it works.
[09:46] <kristjan_> is it possible to install from harddisk? (especially I would like to install betas and alfas from hd instead of burning cd)
[09:47] <fdoving> kristjan_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation might help you.
[09:48] <VSpike> The way the nvidia driver works is a pretty good idea on the whole.  It's just it's not obvious what it does, or how to tweak it or override it when it goes wrong.  Also, it doesn't seem to interract nicely with tools that rely on xranr data like the kde xserver config tool, or xrandr itself.  Only the nvidia-settings GUI seems to work 100%
[09:48] <fdoving> VSpike: that's the closed one, right?
[09:49] <dhq> is there any sound cutting tool
[09:49] <fdoving> dhq: audacity
[09:49] <dhq> fdoving: anything better than that
[09:50] <kristjan_> fdoving: it's either usb sticks, or floppies, no word about having iso on harddrive
[09:50] <dettoaltrimenti_> so I don't need linux headers to run my computer- I can delete them, yes?
[09:50] <fdoving> dhq: probably, check out ubuntustudio-audio
[09:50] <VSpike> fdoving: yeah
[09:51] <fdoving> kristjan_: ok, then i don't know.
[09:51] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: yes. you can.
[09:52] <cox377> is SSH file transfer natoriously slower than normal samba file sharing?
[09:52] <fdoving> cox377: yes.
[09:52] <PhinnFort> cox377: but safer
[09:52] <PhinnFort> cox377: if you use authentication, that is
[09:53] <cox377> PhinnFort: is there anyway of speeding it up
[09:53] <PhinnFort> cox377: using NFS or AFS;)
[09:53] <PhinnFort> or similar
[09:53] <cox377> PhinnFort: up yup well it aks me for a user name and password
[09:53] <thefirstdude> so I install the nvidia-glx package on edgy, restart and no graphical interface pops up!?!!?!?
[09:53] <cox377> PhinnFort: is NFS and AFS ssh?
[09:53] <PhinnFort> cox377: well, to protect your username and password, use ssh
[09:53] <PhinnFort> cox377: i think they might support it for authentication
[09:53] <PhinnFort> they should
[09:53] <thefirstdude> init 5 doesn't even do a damn thing
[09:53] <thefirstdude> I've reinstalled it like 5 times
[09:53] <PhinnFort> cox377: ssh might protect against injection too
[09:54] <cox377> PhinnFort: i've just read this
[09:54] <cox377> PhinnFort:
[09:54] <cox377> You can use the Blowfish ciper, which is faster than the default (3des).
[09:54] <cox377> Add the following line to your ~.ssh/config file:
[09:54] <cox377> Cipher blowfish
[09:54] <PhinnFort> well, have you done that?
[09:55] <cox377> i was wondering if it meant anything
[09:55] <cox377> well if it was a loada *******
[09:55] <PhinnFort> cox377: it's the algorithm it uses to encrypt stuff
[09:55] <thefirstdude> anyhelp?
[09:55] <PhinnFort> it's probably true, afaik 3des isn't very fast
[09:55] <cox377> PhinnFort: is it for server side or client side?
[09:55] <PhinnFort> thefirstdude: startx?
[09:55] <PhinnFort> cox377: server side i believe
[09:56] <PhinnFort> but I'm not too familiar with OpenSSH
[09:56] <PhinnFort> put it in both
[09:56] <thefirstdude> ok, I'll try that
[09:56] <cox377> yup shall do
[09:57] <cox377> 1 thing, whilst using ssh over konq how do i edit root files on the host machine as there is not the right click edit as root option
[09:57] <fdoving> cox377: client decides cipher.
[09:57] <PhinnFort> fdoving: thanks
[09:57] <PhinnFort> cox377: open with -> other -> kdesu kate
[09:58] <cox377> PhinnFort: cheers
[09:58] <fdoving> cox377: you can also experiment with CompressLevels 1 and up. usually compressing makes things slower unless you're on a slow network.
[09:58] <cox377> fdoving: its over lan
[09:58] <cox377> lan
[09:58] <PhinnFort> cox377: is the cpu usage high?
[09:58] <dettoaltrimenti_> some things in my trash bin won't delete- is there any way to force delete everything in there?
[09:58] <fdoving> then compression is not needed.
[09:58] <PhinnFort> cox377: are you using the fish:/ protocol?
[09:59] <cox377> fdoving: once i've entered that cipher, do i have to restart the ssh client?
[09:59] <fdoving> in case you copy already compressed data, it's just bloat to compress more.
[09:59] <fdoving> cox377: yes, reconnect.
[09:59] <cox377> PhinnFort: Umm not sure what you mean mate
[09:59] <fdoving> cox377: fish:/ in konqueror.
[09:59] <PhinnFort> cox377: how do you access the files?
[09:59] <cox377> sftp
[09:59] <PhinnFort> ah, ok
[09:59] <cox377> PhinnFort: am i supposed to use fish?
[10:00] <PhinnFort> cox377: no
[10:00] <PhinnFort> cox377: i believe that is slower, since it's using some ugly/clever hacks to get the job done;)
[10:00] <fdoving> sftp is preferred.
[10:00] <PhinnFort> but fish:/ is very convienient
[10:00] <PhinnFort> when sftp isn't available
[10:00] <cox377> PhinnFort: ok, shall ty the script and let you guys know in a bit
[10:00] <fdoving> sure is :)
[10:02] <atidem> ciao!
[10:03] <szymon> lol
[10:03] <szymon> hehue
[10:03] <PhinnFort> i have just gotten it confirmed that cia means bye
[10:03] <szymon> je tu jaki polok
[10:03] <szymon> cos mi sie zdaje ze ni ;p
[10:04] <PhinnFort> jeg tygger iskrembilen
[10:04] <PhinnFort> !pl
[10:04] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:04] <nightwatch> hi there, how can I set up apt-build for core 2 duo processors?
[10:05] <szymon> nom same jakies zagraniczne;p
[10:05] <szymon> lol o czym wogule gaacie;p
[10:05] <nightwatch> there's no core 2 duo in the list...
[10:05] <PhinnFort> !pl | szymon
[10:05] <ubotu> szymon: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:06] <szymon> tak, tak ty o kozie ja o wozie
[10:06] <szymon> j a chce kogos z polski! ;p
[10:07] <szymon> POLAND AND UKRAINE EURO 2012 ;d;d;d
[10:07] <PhinnFort> !offtopic | szymon
[10:07] <ubotu> szymon: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:10] <szymon> POLAND AND UKRAINE EURO 2012 ;d;d;d
[10:10] <szymon> POLAND AND UKRAINE EURO 2012 ;d;d;d
[10:11] <szymon> POLAND AND UKRAINE EURO 2012 ;d;d;d
[10:11] <jhutchins> !ops | szymon
[10:11] <ubotu> szymon: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[10:11] <jhutchins> LjL: You guys are good.
[10:11] <jhutchins> LjL: Thanks.
[10:11] <PhinnFort> thanks
[10:12] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: I think the ops prefer you join #ubuntu-ops or something, since the !ops triggers some kind of alarm on most of the op's clients
[10:12] <LjL> no, it's quite ok in these cases
[10:12] <LjL> as long as you don't abuse it. but this wasn't abusing it
[10:12] <PhinnFort> oki
[10:15] <beta__> !printer
[10:15] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[10:15] <lau> hi, is this chan english? or german?
[10:15] <BluesKaj> english
[10:15] <lau> ok
[10:15] <BluesKaj> !de
[10:15] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:15] <lau> i want to install adobe flash player 9 on kubuntu
[10:16] <lau> how can i do this?
[10:16] <lau> thx
[10:16] <PhinnFort> !flash | lau
[10:16] <ubotu> lau: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:16] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:16] <BluesKaj> best is to download the Flashplayer from adobe's site and install manually
[10:19] <hellblade> hello peeps
[10:20] <hellblade> i have a little problem. do you know where k9copy stores its user settings?
[10:21] <Daisuke_IPFW> hellblade: ~/.k9copy?
[10:22] <corbax> salut
[10:22] <txwikinger> hellblade: I would think either ~/.k9copy or ~/.kde/share/config
[10:22] <PhinnFort> .kde/share/config/k9copy.rc
[10:22] <PhinnFort> kanskje?
[10:22] <PhinnFort> *maybe
[10:22] <hellblade> nope. i am looking for a file containing the opengl preview setting and none of these is that
[10:23] <hellblade> can i somehow get the list of files opened when i run k9copy from konsole?
[10:23] <txwikinger> hellblade: ~/.kde/share/config/K9Copy
[10:24] <hellblade> omg thanks! never thought of tabbing with big K:P
[10:24] <kike> saludos a tod@s
[10:24] <txwikinger> hellblade: yes lsof | grep k9copy
[10:24] <txwikinger> but that only shows that currently opened files
[10:25] <TheCreationist> I am trying to upgrade from Edgy to Feisty, but all the guides I've found are either Gnome-specific, or just plain don't work (the "official" Ubuntu guide).  Anyone know how to do this?
[10:25] <txwikinger> why not using the upgrade-manager ?
[10:26] <vit__> hello
[10:26] <vit__> hellooooooooooooooooooo
[10:26] <TheCreationist> txwikinger: All the guides say to use "update-manager" but that is a gnome app.
[10:26] <txwikinger> hi vit__
[10:26] <txwikinger> it works on Kubuntu too TheCreationist
[10:26] <beta__> is feisty offical now?
[10:27] <TheCreationist> txwikinger: Really?  Because trying to run update-manager says command not found.
[10:27] <txwikinger> beta__ Tomorrow
[10:27] <PhinnFort> TheCreationist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[10:27] <vit__> you spanish
[10:27] <beta__> wow really?
[10:27] <PhinnFort> !es | vit__
[10:27] <ubotu> vit__: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:27] <beta__> !feisty
[10:27] <TheCreationist> PhinnFort: I followed that guide... Adept doesn't show ANY available updates.
[10:27] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[10:27] <txwikinger> TheCreationist: Install the package
[10:27] <Kamui> anyone recall the name of the screensaver package that shows the different crashes in some popular OS's?
[10:27] <inferno> how can I change my screen resolution?
[10:27] <hellblade> TheCreationist: I had some problems using adept so after disabling unofficial repos and changing edgy to feisty in /etc/apt/sources.list, I run "sudo aptitude update" and "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade". hope that works if you cant find an easier way
[10:27] <PhinnFort> Kamui: probably in xscreensavers
[10:28] <stamen> hi
[10:28] <PhinnFort> inferno: system settings -> screen
[10:28] <stamen> I have upgraded to feisty and now I have a question
[10:28] <vit__> no hay aqui alguien que hable espaol
[10:28] <TheCreationist> hellblade: The official guide says nothign about changing sources at all.
[10:28] <inferno> that is crapped up, doesn't even change it
[10:28] <stamen> why when I boot with the new kernel it can;t find fstab
[10:28] <PhinnFort> TheCreationist: sorry, it wasn't that I was looking for, there used to be a link to a tool that did it automagically in the topic
[10:28] <txwikinger> you can run sudo apt-get install update-manager
[10:28] <Kamui> PhinnFort:  I got xscreensavers and it doesn't sappear to be there
[10:28] <stamen> and can't mount the filesystem
[10:28] <txwikinger> or search the package in adept
[10:29] <stamen> what does it read
[10:29] <Kamui> unless kde doesn't use xscreensavers for its screen lock
[10:29] <txwikinger> and the run it with "gksu update-manager -c -d"
[10:29] <PhinnFort> Kamui: you need an extra package for xscreensavers in KDE
[10:29] <stamen> as I see it not read fstab
[10:29] <txwikinger> or kdesu is fine too
[10:29] <BloodyTux> hey
[10:29] <TheCreationist> txwikinger: Alright... that seems to be fine... although I hate having to install a gnome app ;)
[10:29] <BloodyTux> how's everyone today?
[10:29] <Kamui> PhinnFort: any idea what I need to get?  I've grabbed everything screensaver related from the apt tree
[10:30] <PhinnFort> !info kscreensaver-xsavers | Kamui
[10:30] <ubotu> kamui: kscreensaver-xsavers: KDE hooks for standard xscreensavers. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 107 kB, installed size 708 kB
[10:30] <PhinnFort> !info kscreensaver-xsavers-extra | Kamui
[10:30] <ubotu> kamui: kscreensaver-xsavers-extra: KDE hooks for standard xscreensavers. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 78 kB, installed size 1252 kB
[10:30] <BloodyTux> anyone need help
[10:30] <PhinnFort> :D
[10:30] <txwikinger> TheCreationist: Don't worry.. most apps are usable on multiple desktops
[10:30] <TheCreationist> Now, I assume that upgrading to Feisty isn't going to remove any apps or screw up any settings, right?
[10:30] <BloodyTux> nope
[10:30] <BloodyTux> i did it last night
[10:30] <TheCreationist> Will it INSTALL a ton of apps that I find useless?
[10:30] <BloodyTux> no
[10:31] <TheCreationist> Or just upgrade all the stuff that I already have installed?
[10:31] <ubuntu__> hi
[10:31] <PhinnFort> TheCreationist: some
[10:31] <BloodyTux> depends on what you need actually, and what you havenow
[10:31] <hellblade> mainly upgrade
[10:31] <ubuntu__> i'm a new user...
[10:31] <BloodyTux> yea i had 909 to upgrade
[10:31] <ubuntu__> and i'm italian
[10:31] <txwikinger> TheCreationist: there are some new packages that are now default in feisty that weren't before
[10:31] <BloodyTux> 107 install
[10:31] <txwikinger> but it schouldn't be too bad
[10:31] <BloodyTux> so is feisty unbeta yet?
[10:31] <Kamui> nice, thanks PhinnFort
[10:32] <TheCreationist> alright... I'm taking the plunge.  Wish me luck ;)
[10:32] <PhinnFort> Kamui: yw;)
[10:32] <txwikinger> BloodyTux: No.. Tomorrow
[10:32] <BloodyTux> dang
[10:32] <TheCreationist> lol
[10:32] <sebbar> hi, do I need any special packages to make pdftex work?
[10:32] <hellblade> gj:)
[10:32] <TheCreationist> "It was impossible to install a required package. Please report this as a bug."   kubuntu-desktop
[10:32] <TheCreationist> Great
[10:32] <PhinnFort> heh
[10:32] <PhinnFort> TheCreationist: paste everything to rafb.net/paste
[10:32] <PhinnFort> ?
[10:33] <TheCreationist> PhinnFort: That was everything... that's all it said.  Then exited and returned my system to the previous state lol
[10:33] <txwikinger> TheCreationist: You should have the kubuntu-desktop package on a Kubuntu installation
[10:33] <the_hammer> hey all kubuntu 7.04 feighsty
[10:33] <txwikinger> it is a meta-package
[10:33] <coreymon77> when is feisty being stable released?
[10:33] <TheCreationist> coreymon77: Tomorrow.
[10:33] <txwikinger> coreymon77: tomorrow
[10:33] <the_hammer> i cant seem to touch anything in themes
[10:33] <coreymon77> oh
[10:33] <the_hammer> why and is there some sort of a replacement i can get?
[10:33] <coreymon77> sweet
[10:34] <coreymon77> apparently its a huge upgrade over edgy
[10:34] <BloodyTux> how do i activate compiz?
[10:34] <BloodyTux> ???
[10:34] <coreymon77> is that true
[10:34] <coreymon77> ?
[10:34] <BloodyTux> i want compiz!!!
[10:34] <txwikinger> TheCreationist: install the package before you do the upgrade
[10:34] <txwikinger> BloodyTux: You must install it, AFAIK it is not installed by default
[10:34] <TheCreationist> txwikinger: That will install all those crap applications that I spent so long removing... no thanks.
[10:34] <BloodyTux> i installed it but where is config
[10:35] <stamen> who can help about my question up there
[10:35] <txwikinger> TheCreationist: you need it if you want to use a stable automatic upgrade
[10:35] <PhinnFort> !compiz | BloodyTux
[10:35] <ubotu> BloodyTux: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:35] <BloodyTux> thanks
[10:35] <stamen> which file read the new kernel for mounted devices
[10:35] <TheCreationist> Seems stupid for Kubuntu to force people to install applications they obviously don't want... just to upgrade?  weird.
[10:35] <BloodyTux> just uninstall them again after upgrade
[10:36] <txwikinger> TheCreationist: otherwise you have to do it manually (change sources.list, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade)
[10:36] <TheCreationist> BloodyTux: Well, yeah, I know that's what to do... but it takes so long and seems so unnecessary.
[10:36] <BloodyTux> will compiz work with ati 3d rage pro
[10:36] <txwikinger> TheCreationist: but this can have problems with dependencies
[10:36] <PhinnFort> BloodyTux: i think so
[10:36] <PhinnFort> BloodyTux: but I don't know
[10:36] <TheCreationist> BloodyTux: It will WORK, yes... but you won't get all the pretty eye candy.
[10:37] <BloodyTux> :(
[10:37] <txwikinger> TheCreationist: it is otherwise difficult to ensure proper dependencies
[10:37] <fdoving> TheCreationist: that will change after feisty, the metapackage has changed, now it only recommends most of the packages, which in an upgrade from feisty will work as we want it to.
[10:37] <BloodyTux> brb, going to do compiz crap for a bit
[10:37] <dettoalt1imenti> is there any way to 'minimize' irssi in the terminal, then call it back?
[10:37] <TheCreationist> grr... install kubuntu-desktop
[10:37] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: install and use the 'screen' package, and command.
[10:38] <dettoalt1imenti> thanks
[10:38] <HaSH> hello all does anyone in here play quake 4 on linux?. ive installed it but i cant get it to work.
[10:38] <HaSH> its saying : terminate called after throwing an instance of 'idException'
[10:38] <HaSH> and quits.
[10:39] <TheCreationist> HaSH: I haven't been able to get ANY Windows games to work in Linux... I've tried both Wine and Cedega... so I can't help, personally.
[10:39] <HaSH> and i cant find any info on google
[10:39] <HaSH> there is a linux port of quake4
[10:39] <TheCreationist> HaSH: Even tried using VMware and VirtualBox (neither of which support 3D acceleration)
[10:39] <TheCreationist> HaSH: Ah, that's true.
[10:39] <PhinnFort> HaSH: using the windows or Linux version?
[10:40] <HaSH> PhinnFort, linux
[10:40] <PhinnFort> TheCreationist: I believe there's a linux version of Quake 4
[10:40] <TheCreationist> HaSH: If you installed it with the linux .sh installer, it should work.
[10:40] <HaSH> quake4-linux-beta-1.4.1.x86.run
[10:40] <TheCreationist> HaSH: Maybe try the id forums?
[10:40] <HaSH> i have it
[10:40] <HaSH> ive searched for my error. there is very few hits on google
[10:41] <PhinnFort> i found no hits...
[10:41] <PhinnFort> this is weird
[10:41] <PhinnFort> you sure the package was installed succesfully?
[10:41] <TheCreationist> lol "A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade"
[10:41] <TheCreationist> this is pathetic
[10:41] <HaSH> PhinnFort, i followed http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/
[10:41] <Gh0st75> hi, does anyone know the install command for ndiswrapper 1.38? all the examples i've seen are for 1.8
[10:41] <TheCreationist> Doesn't anyone TRY these upgrade tools before releasing them? :P
[10:41] <PhinnFort> TheCreationist: use aptitude
[10:42] <TheCreationist> Now I have a ton of crappy KDE apps installed and still no Feisty...
[10:42] <PhinnFort> TheCreationist: they've been thorougly tested
[10:42] <HaSH> i installed the linux installer. then copied the files from the dvd of quake4
[10:42] <PhinnFort> TheCreationist: worked perfectly here
[10:42] <PhinnFort> HaSH: that guide seemed a tad bit old...
[10:42] <TheCreationist> PhinnFort: Well, following the guide on Ubuntu.com doesn't work (it says to simply enable a repository and you're good to go), but even doing that shows zero upgrades available.
[10:43] <PhinnFort> TheCreationist: did you "sudo aptitude update" first?
[10:43] <HaSH> PhinnFort, it could be but has contained the most usefull info yet.
[10:43] <TheCreationist> PhinnFort: I ran "kdesu update-manager -c -d"
[10:43] <TheCreationist> PhinnFort: It found the upgrade to 7.04, but fails when trying to install it.
[10:43] <HaSH> ok i tried one thing brb. when it crashes i need to logout and back in. it messes up my resolution.
[10:44] <PhinnFort> ah, ok
[10:44] <HaSH> nope didnt work
[10:44] <HaSH> now everything is huge and hard to read
[10:44] <HaSH> :/ i installed doom3 the same way and it worked fine
[10:44] <TheCreationist> HaSH: Move your head further away from the monitor ;)
[10:45] <HaSH> lol i can only see like 1-5th of my screen
[10:45] <HaSH> its all zoomed in
[10:45] <Daisuke_IPFW> HaSH: xrandr is your friend
[10:45] <PhinnFort> HaSH: krandrtray
[10:45] <coreymon77> hi guys
[10:45] <PhinnFort> run it
[10:45] <coreymon77> where is java installed to
[10:45] <TheCreationist> Okay, I'll just wait until tomorrow to try updating.  Thanks for your help guys.
[10:46] <HaSH> ah cool
[10:46] <HaSH> now i dont have to log out :-)
[10:46] <Daisuke_IPFW> i had that problem for a while
[10:47] <HaSH> here is the full output i get when running quake4
[10:47] <HaSH> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/514
[10:47] <coreymon77> where is sun jre installed to
[10:47] <PhinnFort> HaSH: have you tried installing the latest patch?
[10:47] <dettoaltrimenti_> fdoving- ok, so the 'screen' documentation is extremely long. I got as far as 'screen irssi'- is there a command to 'minimize' after that? Or do I have to define a binding in a setup file first?
[10:48] <PhinnFort> HaSH: "ERROR: Couldn't load scripts/main.script"
[10:48] <BloodyTux> so the noiesmo's site is about beryl not compiz...
[10:48] <HaSH> PhinnFort, i do belive i did. i dled this from idsofts bit torrent trackertoday
[10:48] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: ctrl+a-d
[10:48] <PhinnFort> HaSH: I think a file maybe isn't available
[10:48] <HaSH> PhinnFort, yea i reinstalled 3 times.
[10:48] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: hold ctrl, then hit a, and then d. not a and d at the same time, first a, then d :)
[10:48] <HaSH> each time the same thing
[10:48] <PhinnFort> HaSH: is the CD-rom good?
[10:48] <BloodyTux> so how do i configure compiz, not beryl?
[10:48] <Daisuke_IPFW> BloodyTux: #ubuntu-effects :)
[10:49] <HaSH> PhinnFort, i copied all the files it says to. ill double check the md5 sums though
[10:49] <angasule> !grub
[10:49] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:50] <dettoaltrimenti_> ah cool- fdoving, ctrl a, d seems to close the current window, ctrl a, a is to switch, and ctrl a, c is to make a new terminal
[10:50] <dettoaltrimenti_> is that right?
[10:51] <BloodyTux> how do i set ctrl+alt+del to open a task manager?
[10:51] <BloodyTux> my parents are to new to linux to know how to work through the K menu unless its games...
[10:51] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: correct, ctrl a, spacebar and ctrl a, backspace to jump forward and back in the windows is also nice.
[10:51] <apokryphos> BloodyTux: tell them to ctrl+alt+escape instead
[10:51] <BloodyTux> k
[10:52] <Daisuke_IPFW> but that wasn't the question
[10:52] <BloodyTux> will that close everything like ctrl+alt+backspace or open task manager
[10:52] <apokryphos> BloodyTux: open the task manager
[10:52] <Daisuke_IPFW> i think you can bind ctrl-alt-del to launch ksysguard
[10:52] <apokryphos> BloodyTux: sorry, I meant ctrl+escape
[10:52] <HaSH> anyone know of a program to check the md5 sums of a list of sums vs the files?
[10:52] <HaSH> its a pain having to do each file
[10:52] <apokryphos> ctrl+alt+escape brings up the killer-cursour
[10:53] <BloodyTux> it won't open for me
[10:53] <BloodyTux> killer-cursour?
[10:53] <apokryphos> yes
[10:53] <fdoving> HaSH: 'md5sum -c file' in the directory with the files.
[10:53] <fdoving> HaSH: where file is the name of the file with the sums.
[10:53] <apokryphos> BloodyTux: just ctrl+escape.. are you sure?
[10:53] <HaSH> fdoving, thanks d00d :-)
[10:53] <BloodyTux> it worked, nvm just took some time
[10:54] <Cugel> So who's going to get Feisty in a few hours?
[10:54] <BloodyTux> i already did
[10:54] <Cugel> I'm scared to do it.
[10:55] <stoft> BloodyTux: any probs?
[10:55] <Gh0st75> can you upgrade feisty beta to the current version or would a new install be necessary?
[10:55] <Gh0st75> current meaning the official release
[10:55] <BloodyTux> nope, works like a dream
[10:55] <Gh0st75> almost current
[10:56] <BloodyTux> ugghhhh the ubuntu effects room sucks
[10:56] <fdoving> Gh0st75: just installing the updates will be fine :)
[10:56] <BloodyTux> nobody answers me
[10:56] <Gh0st75> great, hoping it may solve my wireless issues
[10:56] <BloodyTux> #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:57] <BloodyTux> :)
[10:57] <BloodyTux> i'm bored
[10:57] <dettoalt1imenti> so is irssi a good terminal based irc program, or is there a better one? Can I setup irssi to color lines differently when they have my username in them?
[10:58] <Cugel> Just a last qsemi-offtopic uestion: what's the Kubuntu way of upgrading to Feisty?
[10:58] <Cugel> detto: I like Konversation, but many people love irssi.
[10:59] <Cugel> You can do everything and anything with irssi, but Konversation is a bit more friendly. And it resembles Mirc which I have used for years.
[10:59] <coreymon77> guys, question
[10:59] <stoft> BloodyTux: sounds good, thnx
[11:00] <dettoalt1imenti> Cugel- I like konversation too, I'm just seeing what I can comfortably do from the terminal just out of curiosity- I started using moc for playing music because amarok is pretty resource intensive, and it's pretty amazing
[11:00] <jhutchins> Cugel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[11:01] <fdoving> dettoalt1imenti: yes, irssi is -the- terminal based irc program.
[11:01] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: /set hilight_nick_matches on
[11:01] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: then /save
[11:02] <dettoalt1imenti> dettoaltrimenti testing
[11:02] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: i also recommend going to scripts.irssi.org and get the scriptassist.pl script. it's amazing. and nickcolor.pl is very nice.
[11:03] <dettoalt1imenti> ok
[11:03] <dettoalt1imenti> dettoalt1imenti is my name
[11:03] <fdoving> dettoalt1imenti: not sure it triggers when you say it yourself.
[11:04] <Daisuke_IPFW> irssi allows for scripts?
[11:04] <dettoalt1imenti> hmm it's not working when you say it either...
[11:04] <Daisuke_IPFW> very nice
[11:04] <fdoving> Daisuke_IPFW: very much so, yes.
[11:04] <Daisuke_IPFW> (just learning it)
[11:04] <Daisuke_IPFW> dettoalt1imenti: working now?
[11:04] <fdoving> dettoalt1imenti: ok. then try /help hilight
[11:05] <Daisuke_IPFW> fdoving: i'm liking it, just to use via ssh
[11:05] <Gh0st75> anyone able to answer a question about ndiswrapper pls?
[11:05] <Daisuke_IPFW> it stinks, buy a new wireless card.  next?
[11:05] <Daisuke_IPFW> :)
[11:05] <Gh0st75> lol, i'd toss kubuntu before tossing my macbook
[11:06] <Daisuke_IPFW> Gh0st75: you never got my link yesterday about installing ndiswrapper in ubuntu on - you guessed it - a macbook?
[11:06] <Gh0st75> i got your link and i downloaded ndiswrapper and an xp/2k driver for a similar chipset
[11:07] <Daisuke_IPFW> there's the problem
[11:07] <Daisuke_IPFW> similar doesn't cut it, it's not the same
[11:07] <Gh0st75> the link shows syntax for installing ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 however what i ended up downloading was ndiswrapper-1.38 which extracts as a folder full of files
[11:08] <Daisuke_IPFW> Gh0st75: did you compile it?
[11:08] <nuxil> hi all.. how can i make eth1 to become eth0 ? i got 2 onbord nics.. but eth0 onboard is not working, so i want to make eth1 become eth0 or alias it somehow.. anyone got an idea how i can do it?
[11:08] <Daisuke_IPFW> nuxil: quick answer is disable the one listed as eth0 in the bios
[11:08] <Gh0st75> i didn't know which file to use in the install command
[11:08] <Daisuke_IPFW> or remove the actual nic
[11:08] <Daisuke_IPFW> Gh0st75: ./configure && make && sudo make install
[11:08] <Daisuke_IPFW> that command is your best friend
[11:08] <Gh0st75> the example form the link you sent listed this: sudo apt-get install ndisrapper-utils-1.8
[11:09] <dettoalt1imenti> wait, so what does scriptassist do for irssi?
[11:09] <Gh0st75> writing that down, will give that command a try
[11:09] <nuxil> Daisuke_IPFW, its kinda hardd to remove it.. since its onboard the mobo.. i been looking in the bios,. i cant find anything there on disabling only 1 of the nics.
[11:10] <Daisuke_IPFW> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/03/18/how-to-configure-wireless-on-a-macbook-using-ndiswrapper/
[11:10] <Grexeo> when will kubuntu feisty fawn be released?
[11:10] <Daisuke_IPFW> nuxil: not sure then
[11:10] <Daisuke_IPFW> Grexeo: theoretically, tomorrow.
[11:10] <turella> hy to all
[11:10] <nuxil> hmm
[11:10] <dettoalt1imenti> detto
[11:10] <Daisuke_IPFW> oi, i should be studying, i have an exam in 45 minutes :\
[11:10] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: are you sure that you have to use ndis
[11:10] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: what card is it?
[11:11] <Gh0st75> thanks for the link again, had it bookmaked from yesterday tho
[11:11] <Grexeo> Daisuke_IPFW: ah, thanks
[11:11] <brett_> notably there wasn't a daily build today, but somehow I doubt tomorrow
[11:11] <turella> are there any italian
[11:11] <Gh0st75> it's an atheros chipset for a macbook c2d
[11:11] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: dunce!!
[11:11] <brett_> !it | turella
[11:11] <ubotu> turella: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:11] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: atheros cards are the easiest thigns in the world
[11:11] <Daisuke_IPFW> brett_: as the release date as been set as april 19 for months, and hasn't been changed, i'm betting on probably tomorrow.
[11:11] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: you dont need ndis
[11:11] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: it works completely natively
[11:11] <Gh0st75> i know the core duos work out of the box, but the core 2 duos don't appear to
[11:12] <brett_> Daisuke_IPFW: there was a missed RC because of some fairly critical bugs, I'll check the mailing lists but it's recent
[11:12] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: i use an atheros
[11:12] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: what is the interface you are using called?
[11:12] <coreymon77> interface what
[11:12] <turella> ok i can speak english
[11:12] <coreymon77> oh
[11:12] <coreymon77> nevermind
[11:12] <coreymon77> it should be ath0
[11:12] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: its interface ath0 right?
[11:12] <Gh0st75> where would i check that?
[11:13] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: nevermind, atheros chipset right?
[11:13] <Gh0st75> yes
[11:13] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: then its ath0
[11:13] <Daisuke_IPFW> and there's also the cute little graphic on the ubuntu website saying "Countdown to Ubuntu 7.04  Release is Tomorrow"
[11:13] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: okay, type this into a konsole window
[11:13] <Gh0st75> according to the ubuntu forums and several other sites it's not just me having trouble getting wireless to work
[11:13] <brett_> some of which were problems in networkmanager ;)
[11:13] <Gh0st75> some people are using ndis and some are using madwifi
[11:13] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: type this command
[11:14] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: you dont need either
[11:14] <Gh0st75> ok
[11:14] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: atheros works natively
[11:14] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: tpy ethis
[11:14] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: wait, actually
[11:14] <Gh0st75> will have to write this down, in osx now, will try any ideas on reboot
[11:14] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: first, type iwconfig
[11:14] <nuxil> cant i assing a mac to a ethX number ?
[11:14] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: oh
[11:14] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: umm
[11:14] <coreymon77> okay then
[11:15] <Gh0st75> iwconfig will show the device ID?
[11:15] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: it should
[11:15] <Gh0st75> k
[11:15] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: but it may not
[11:15] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: if its not athX (X being a number) ignore it
[11:16] <Daisuke_IPFW> time to study
[11:16] <Daisuke_IPFW> later people, and good luck with the wifi
[11:18] <cox377> PhinnFort: you still about?
[11:21] <reagleBRKLN> Hello, I am using Kubuntu Feisty and had read that, while not one that default, enabling desktop effects would be a simple as installing some packages. I have installed desktop-effects, but now what? (Or is this only for Gnome?)
[11:22] <Cugel> Thanks for mentioning moc -- that's just the command line player I was looking for. (I use Amarok all the time).;
[11:33] <sredna> hi
[11:33] <dettoaltrimenti> -regexp -pattern "has quit" * ACTIONS
[11:33] <sredna> is there some way to get helvetica on kubuntu?
[11:34] <Sanne> sredna: you can install any true tpye font either through kubuntu's font installer, or simply put them in ~/.fonts.
[11:35] <reagleBRKLN> ok compiz was weird, lost all window controls... beryl works better, but do I need to install xserver-xgl, or is xserver-xorg good enough?
[11:35] <coreymon77> sredna: yes it can
[11:35] <sredna> coreymon77: not that i have seen
[11:36] <coreymon77> works for me
[11:36] <cox377> is there any maintainance way of making space?
[11:36] <cox377> clean up etc?
[11:36] <sredna> maybe i am more critical, coreymon77
[11:36] <coreymon77> sredna: probably
[11:37] <sredna> i dislike that the hints are not used correctly. i get HUGE space in some words
[11:37] <dettoaltrimenti> cox377- you can download 'remove orphaned packages' and remove orphaned packages
[11:37] <sredna> like 'bd en' - that should be ONE word, not two
[11:37] <cox377> dettoaltrimenti: umm what would the command be for that?
[11:38] <dettoaltrimenti> the command for what?
[11:38] <sredna> and in some cases, there is not enough space between letters, like the middle 'l's in 'lille'
[11:38] <cox377> like apt-get install remove orphaned packages?
[11:38] <dettoaltrimenti> sudo apt-get install gtkorphan
[11:38] <sredna> in any case, is there a package containing a type1 version of helvetica?
[11:38] <sredna> or PS for that matter?
[11:39] <cox377> dettoaltrimenti: kool
[11:39] <coreymon77> what are orphaned packages?
[11:40] <dettoaltrimenti> packages that no program uses
[11:40] <dettoaltrimenti> or, packages that no program is dependant on
[11:40] <sredna> hm, it even seems to be installed
[11:40] <dettoaltrimenti> mainly libraries that don't get deleted after you remove a program
[11:40] <sredna> why doesn't kde find it?=????
[11:41] <dettoaltrimenti> does anyone here use irssi? I'm trying to block the 'has quit' and 'has joined' messages
[11:41] <coreymon77> dettoaltrimenti: is it safe to delete them?
[11:43] <bobbyd> hi
[11:43] <bobbyd> what's the easiest way to connect to a windows VPN using kubuntu?
[11:43] <BloodyTux> yo
[11:44] <BloodyTux> ask Tm_t
[11:44] <BloodyTux> !VPN
[11:44] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[11:46] <yung__> when I logout from my user session, I got the KDM login screen in a weird position..
[11:46] <yung__> anybody has same weirdness?
[11:47] <yung__> I'm using kubuntu 7.04 by the way..
[11:47] <Sanne> yung__: I got this at first, when I had higher resolutions I don't use listed first in my xorg.conf. When I took them out and listed the resolution first that I actually use, it was fine.
[11:49] <BadRabbit320> Broadcom wifi driving me nuts; is there a distro that will run my builtin without me jumping thru hoops?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> BadRabbit320: did you get the firmware for the bcm43xx driver? Or are you  using ndiswrapper?
[11:51] <Arwen> BadRabbit320, Broadcom wifi? no, because of legal issues
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Arwen: it;s quite possibl with the firmware
[11:52] <Gh0st75> hi again, didn't seem to work coreymon77
[11:52] <thoreauputic> !bcm43xx | BadRabbit320
[11:52] <ubotu> BadRabbit320: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[11:52] <Gh0st75> mind if i pm you with the results of that little test?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> Arwen: cafuego has supplied debs for the Broadcom firmware
[11:53] <Arwen> he said "out of box"
[11:53] <thoreauputic> Arwen: actually he said "without jumping thru hoops" I think?
[11:53] <jtholmes> anyone know how i save the current network and channel assignment in kopete so when i start it back up everything come backup at it is now
[11:53] <Arwen> thoreauputic, ah
[11:54] <Arwen> thoreauputic, well, trying to get a NIC working is in of itself "jumping through hoops" - especially since you usually need a net connection to do it
[11:54] <josh__> hello hello! quick question. VOIP Service + Pay  as you go cell phones... is this possible?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Arwen: i suppose downloading a deb and running dpkg -i *is* a hoop :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Arwen: as hoops go it's not a hard one to jump through
[11:55] <yung__> sanne: Thanks, I will try that..
[11:56] <Sanne> yung__: you're welcome, good luck (if you need further help, just shout) :)
[11:56] <stoft> josh__: look into ekiga and/or skype, that might be what you're looking for. not sure about pay as you go (or what it is even)
[11:56] <josh__> we are setting up asterisk atm... (trixbox)
[11:57] <yung__> sanne: Is that a kdm problem?
[11:57] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: not working?
[11:57] <coreymon77> Gh0st75: how not?
[11:57] <josh__> we can have calling cards, etc from our provider... so looking into providing Open Source solutions
[11:57] <Gh0st75> nope, when i typed iwconfig it showed 2 lines of info
[11:57] <dettoalt1imenti> cd /home/dettoaltrimenti/
[11:57] <dettoalt1imenti> ls
[11:57] <Sanne> yung__: I don't know, seems so. I admid I didn't investigate it anymore after I got it working.
[11:58] <Gh0st75> lo no wireless extensions, then eth0 no wireless extensions
[11:58] <Daboone72> Greetings I'm fired up right now. Does anyone know a good KDE development book that's recent enough to be useful...
[11:58] <coreymon77> continue in the pm
[11:59] <Daboone72> Is anyone working on a GUI for loading and unloading device driver modules?
[12:00] <Daboone72> Is anyone working on something that lists PCI devices and finds the matching kernel module for the device?
[12:00] <Arwen> Daboone72, lsmod and lspci ?
[12:00] <puppetmaster> Hi everyone
[12:00] <Daboone72> I'm talking GUI tools
[12:00] <yung__> sanne: still have the same problem..
[12:00] <puppetmaster> I want to know is it possible to upgrade ubuntu to Kubuntu?
[12:01] <Arwen> Daboone72, learn to use a god damned terminal...
[12:01] <stoft> josh__: check out the March issue of Linux Journal if you can, they had lots of articles on Asterisk
[12:01] <Cugel> puppet: yes.
[12:01] <Cugel> It's not an upgrade.
[12:01] <puppetmaster> From the internet
[12:01] <Daboone72> Is there a switch to lspci that'll tell me what devices don't have drivers?
[12:01] <BloodyTux> anyone need help?
[12:01] <yung__> Is anybody has KDM login position issue?
[12:01] <puppetmaster> yes
[12:01] <dettoalt1imenti> BloodyTux- how do I exit out of vim?
[12:01] <yung__> :x
[12:01] <BloodyTux> vim??? i don't use that
[12:02] <stoft> dettoalt1imenti:  :q
[12:02] <BloodyTux> :|
[12:02] <Sanne> yung__: one sympton of mine was that you could pan the kdm desktop when you get to the edge of the screen with the mouse. Do you have that also?
[12:02] <puppetmaster> How to switch or upgrade from ubuntu to Kubuntu
[12:02] <BloodyTux> oooooo
[12:02] <puppetmaster> ???
[12:02] <BloodyTux> i know how, download kubuntu-dekstop package
[12:02] <BloodyTux> :) i win!
[12:03] <puppetmaster> then
[12:03] <BloodyTux> GO MEEEEE!!!
[12:03] <narg> Has anyone encountered a resolution change causing pager to crash kicker? (bug #139346)
[12:03] <puppetmaster> that's not what I asked for
[12:03] <Daboone72> Are there any complete Linux newbies here?
[12:03] <BloodyTux> thats how you upgrade from ubuntu to kubuntu
[12:03] <dettoalt1imenti> and when using screen, how can I close one screen without closing all of them?
[12:04] <BloodyTux> daboone72: no your the only noob in the world ;)
[12:04] <josh__> stoft: thanks for the tip!!
[12:04] <stoft> dettoalt1imenti: "exit
[12:04] <yung__> sanne: nothing happen for me..
[12:04] <stoft> "
[12:04] <BloodyTux> how do i emote?
[12:04] <narg>  /me
[12:04] <Daboone72> BloodyTux hehe I've been using linux since Kernel 1.2 actually
[12:04] <yung__> sanne: I think my problem is little bit different from yours..
[12:04] <BloodyTux> ...
[12:04] <coreymon77> puppetmaster:what do you want to do
[12:04] <dettoalt1imenti> can I change the font size in the terminal?
[12:05] <livingdaylight> woah...!
[12:05] <BloodyTux> mmmmmmmm
[12:05] <coreymon77> puppetmaster: do you want to upgrade ubuntu or install kubuntu
[12:05] <Daboone72> Who would I talk to/too actually get a FAQ on the desktop for the next Kubuntu release?
[12:05] <Arwen> dettoalt1imenti, the terminal as in "konsole" or the consoles in tty1-7?
[12:05] <dettoalt1imenti> agh and what happens when I type " in the terminal, and how do I get out of it?
[12:06] <rubso> oi, mates
[12:06] <dettoalt1imenti> tty
[12:06] <Arwen> detto, if you type ", hit ctrl+c...
[12:06] <dettoalt1imenti> thanks arwen
[12:06] <Arwen> and in tty.... no idea... you get 24x80 fixed squares
[12:06] <rubso>  lol guys, got Power Management Fixed in Kubuntu?
[12:06] <Arwen> dettoalt1imenti, oh, if you want more room in the console, you can enable framebuffer in grub.conf
[12:06] <coreymon77> puppetmaster: to install kubuntu, type this into a konsole window
[12:07] <Arwen> er... menu.lst*
[12:07] <coreymon77> puppetmaster: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:07] <puppetmaster> I don't know the difference
[12:07] <dettoalt1imenti> what folder is grub,conf in? arwen?
[12:07] <puppetmaster> will it be the two desktops?
[12:07] <BloodyTux> told ya
[12:07] <coreymon77> puppetmaster: yes, it will be
[12:08] <Arwen> dettoalt1imenti, sorry, in Ubuntu, it's menu.lst - it's in /boot/grub
[12:08] <dettoalt1imenti> ah ok thanks
[12:08] <BloodyTux> how do i use gnome on kubuntu?
[12:08] <coreymon77> BloodyTux: install ubuntu
[12:08] <puppetmaster> ok thanj u alot
[12:08] <rubso> apt-get install gnome or ubuntu
[12:08] <coreymon77> BloodyTux: ubuntu is gnome and kubuntu is kde
[12:08] <puppetmaster> I'll try
[12:08] <rubso> boycott gnome !
[12:08] <coreymon77> BloodyTux: its apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:08] <BloodyTux> k
[12:09] <Arwen> dettoalt1imenti, enabling it is slightly, cryptic, you want a walkthrough?
[12:09] <BloodyTux> and what about other window managers like icewm, i can install them but howdo i start them?
[12:09] <mc> BloodyTux: gdm/kdem should give you an option what session to choose
[12:09] <stoft> BloodyTux: installing through the package manager usually adds them to the session menu in gdm/kdm
[12:09] <coreymon77> on the login screen, click menu, go to session type and then choose which one you want
[12:10] <BloodyTux> k
[12:10] <dettoalt1imenti> arwen yes please
[12:10] <Arwen> dettoalt1imenti, ok, only thing I really need to know is your screen resolution - is it 1600x1200? 1280x1024? 1920x1080?
[12:11] <livingdaylight> woah!
[12:11] <livingdaylight> hallo peeps
[12:11] <dettoalt1imenti> arwen 1280x1024
[12:12] <Arwen> dettoalt1imenti, great, one sec
[12:12] <Arwen> dettoalt1imenti, find a line "# defoptions=<some junk here>"
[12:12] <dettoalt1imenti> arwen actually 1280x800, I know that sounds weird, but that's what it is
[12:12] <BloodyTux> how do i change my pw
[12:12] <Arwen> 1280 x 800?
[12:12] <Sanne> yung__: sorry... I was just involved in a discussion in another channel. Sorry my tip didn't work for you.
[12:13] <livingdaylight> when it says 'tomorrow' when exactly is that?
[12:13] <Cugel> In a few hours.;
[12:13] <Kamui> someone tell me there's a way to unzip multiple zip files in the same directory from the command line without having to individually type each filename in
[12:13] <Arwen> dettoalt1imenti, uh, unfortunately, there's no fb mode for 1280x800..
[12:13] <mc> livingdaylight: no one knows it exactly like that
[12:13] <BloodyTux> how many hours!?!?!?!
[12:13] <Kamui> or using any utility
[12:13] <stoft> livingdaylight: a rough guess is between now and then, I'd just take it easy, go out for a beer and wait until the day after.
[12:13] <livingdaylight> Cugel: can yoube more precise?
[12:13] <Cugel> 3