[12:17] <kiko> blueyed, hang on until the oops is prepared
[12:25] <OgMaciel> :)
[12:28] <kiko> this is a slow oven
[12:28] <kiko> very interesting oops
[12:28] <kiko> I need matsubara to look into it.
[12:28] <kiko> blueyed, hang on until tomrorow?
[12:29] <blueyed> kiko: I can come back. I just wondered if there should get a bug filed about it - either in apport or launchpad/malone.
[12:29] <kiko> blueyed, hang on until mats is around because it's likely it's been reported.
[12:29] <kiko> it's a bug in malone, not apport, I am pretty sure
[12:30] <blueyed> kiko: I'll go off to bed in some minutes..
[12:30] <apokryphos> there's a seemingly completely dormant account, ~francis, and I'm wondering if there's any possibility that it could be 'hijacked'
[12:30] <kiko> you do that!
[12:30] <kiko> apokryphos, does he have any karma events?
[12:30] <apokryphos> partly because I'd quite like the francis@ubuntu address =)
[12:30] <apokryphos> kiko: nope
[12:30] <kiko> apokryphos, remind me about this tomorrow and I'll look into it for you.
[12:31] <apokryphos> ok, thanks :)
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #54916 in Ubuntu "removal requests for dapper-proposed [blocked]  (dup-of: 56037)" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54916
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #107371 in launchpad "Make the test suite able to be run in parallel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107371
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107376 in malone "Bug page auto-focuses (and scrolls to) comment Subject field, preventing scrolling" [High,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107376
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #107381 in launchpad-bazaar "Easy way to run the Launchpad-Bazaar tests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107381
[05:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107386 in launchpad "Project groups with no projects should be penalized in search results" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107386
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #107390 in launchpad-answers "If question asked in an unstaffed language, e-mail it anyway" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107390
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #107396 in launchpad-answers ""Change question status" page uses the word "workflow"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107396
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #107402 in malone "Package bugs list should have a "Total" row" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107402
[09:26] <carlos> morning
[10:26] <mdz> good morning
[10:26] <mdz> is staging expected back online soon?
[10:37] <stub> Tom Haddon (mthaddon): (15:26:42) mdz: is staging expected back online soon?
[10:37] <mthaddon> I'll get on that now
[10:39] <thumper> morning
[10:41] <ajmitch> hi thumper 
[10:42] <pips1> how can I browse bugs in LP filed against feisty?
[10:42] <thumper> hi ajmitch
[10:42] <mdz> pips1: bugs apply to Feisty unless indicated otherwise
[10:43] <pips1> ic
[10:47] <mthaddon> stub, mdz: staging back online
[10:48] <mthaddon> ^ running devel
[10:54] <mpt> "An internal server error occurred. Please try again later."
[10:54] <carlos> mpt: same here
[10:54] <mpt> mthaddon, Launchpad is der broken
[10:55] <seb128> hi
[10:55] <seb128> I get "An internal server error occurred. Please try again later." errors on launchpad
[10:55] <mpt> seb128, you're not the only one :-)
[10:55] <seb128> k, good
[10:55] <mdz> mthaddon: thanks
[10:55] <mthaddon> mdz: looking now
[10:57] <mpt> seb128, staging.launchpad.net is up for read-only access, if that's any use to you
[10:58] <elmo> however, be aware, staging doesn't use the production DB, but rather a pretty old (ATM + IIRC) copy of it
[10:59] <seb128> mpt: that is, thank you
[10:59] <seb128> elmo: ok
[11:01] <mthaddon> launchpad is back online
[11:01] <popey> \o/
[11:02] <pips1> how do I get a listing of bugs by assignee?
[11:03] <mpt> pips1, you can click their name in any bug assigned to them
[11:03] <mpt> Or click their name anywhere else, then click "Bugs", then click "Assigned" in the box on the left
[11:04] <mpt> or do you mean a list of bugs in some project, sorted by assignee?
[11:05] <pips1> well, that would also be helpful
[11:07] <pips1> mpt: thanks, got the bugs by assignee
[12:28] <pochu> It would be nice if, in the lp main page, where it says "Featured projects", it displays the projects' icons :)
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107449 in rosetta "Unable to upload a translationfile for clamwin in clamwin 0.88.4-i18n. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107449
[12:30] <popey> erk, just got a 502 from lp when visiting https://launchpad.net/launchpad-answers
[12:43] <pochu> mpt: in the about page, where it says "Get an account", the account's "t" is behind the arrow. Should I file a bug about it?
[12:43] <pochu> mpt: https://launchpad.net/+about
[12:44] <mpt> popey, yes, with a screenshot please
[12:45] <pochu> mpt: do you mean pochu? :)
[12:48] <mpt> pochu, yes, sorry popey 
[12:48] <popey> np mpt 
[12:48] <mpt> I'm surprised it's happening for you, unless your browser insists on quite wide fonts
[12:57] <pochu> mpt: bug 107454 :)
[12:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 107454 in launchpad ""t" in "Get an account" in +about is behind the arrow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107454
[12:58] <pochu> This is using firefox 2.0 from the Ubuntu repos
[01:04] <cprov> good morning 
[01:04] <pochu> morning cprov
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #107454 in launchpad ""t" in "Get an account" in +about is behind the arrow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107454
[01:12] <popey> i only get that if I bump the font size up twice
[01:12] <popey> which is as I would expect really
[01:20] <statik> mrevell: I've lost track, is there a launchpad users meeting today?
[01:20] <mrevell> statik: Not today, no. I'll organise one for next week.
[01:20] <statik> mrevell: thanks!
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107461 in launchpad ""Featured projects", in the lp main page, doesn't display the project icon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107461
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107473 in launchpad "List of release mirrors don't need a column saying whether they're up-to-date or not" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107473
[04:07] <flacoste> salgado, kiko: BjornT is sick today, who should chair the EU/Americas reviewers' meeting?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> flacoste: you offering?
[04:08] <flacoste> i guess so...
[04:41] <salgado> flacoste, what time are we supposed to have it? (/me forgot)
[04:43] <flacoste> salgado: 40 mins ago :-)
[04:55] <kiko> flacoste, you, of course!
[04:55] <kiko> let's start?
[04:55] <flacoste> ok
[04:56] <flacoste> Welcom to the Americas/EU Reviewers Meeting
[04:57] <kiko> wilkommen
[04:57] <flacoste> Meeting Agenda
[04:57] <flacoste> Meeting Agenda
[04:57] <flacoste> [04:58] <flacoste> * Roll call
[04:58] <flacoste> * Next meeting
[04:58] <flacoste> * Queue status.
[04:58] <flacoste> * How are post-merge reviews of rs/trivial commits going? (BjornT for .eu)
[04:58] <flacoste> * Training up reviewers - to discuss (BjornT for .eu)
[04:58] <flacoste> * [fasttrack]  (BjornT for .eu)
[04:58] <flacoste> * Urgent review requests (lifeless for .au)
[04:58] <flacoste> * Other business
[04:58] <flacoste> So who's here today?
[04:58] <flacoste> kiko, salgado: ping
[04:59] <salgado> yeah, I'm here
[04:59] <flacoste> * Next meeting
[05:00] <flacoste> Any objections to Wednesday April 25th 14UTC?
[05:00] <kiko> sorry, people keep sending me love
[05:00] <flacoste> 5
[05:00] <flacoste> 4
[05:00] <flacoste> 3
[05:00] <flacoste> 2
[05:00] <flacoste> 1
[05:00] <flacoste> ok, same time, same channel
[05:00] <flacoste> * Queue status.
[05:01] <kiko> same time same channel dot com
[05:01] <kiko> how's our queue lookin flacoste?
[05:01] <flacoste> very good, only 4 reviews are above SLA
[05:01] <flacoste> two from BjornT who is sick
[05:01] <flacoste> and two from spiv "the slacker"
[05:01] <salgado> and most of the needs-review ones are quite small
[05:02] <flacoste> well, there are lot of them, but were all assigned yesterday
[05:02] <kiko> does anyone need me to look at them?
[05:02] <kiko> if it's less than 500 lines I volunteer
[05:02] <flacoste> kiko: you have three branches assigned
[05:02] <flacoste> one you did already (mine)
[05:02] <kiko> yes, yes
[05:02] <kiko> but replies are easy to manage
[05:03] <flacoste> kiko, there is <500 branch from jtv that's assigned to Bjorn
[05:03] <kiko> I could do that one
[05:04] <flacoste> ok, i'll reassign it
[05:05] <flacoste> any other comments on the queue?
[05:05] <flacoste> 5
[05:05] <flacoste> 4
[05:05] <flacoste> 3
[05:05] <flacoste> 2
[05:05] <flacoste> 1
[05:05] <flacoste> * How are post-merge reviews of rs/trivial commits going? (BjornT for .eu)
[05:05] <flacoste> since BjornT is not here, anyone want to comment?
[05:05] <kiko> did we get many trivials lately?
[05:05] <kiko> I don't think I've seen any of these
[05:06] <flacoste> 10 since last week
[05:06] <flacoste> one nice thing though is that we now have the diff if it's under <1000 in the message to arch-commit
[05:07] <kiko> that is very cool
[05:07] <kiko> and we all know that no branches should be more than 1000 lines right
[05:07] <flacoste> which means it is easier to do post-merge review for trivial commits
[05:07] <flacoste> kiko: well, in general yes, bus some massive search/replace edit sometime blow this up
[05:07] <flacoste> but in general, trivial diff should be less than 1000 lines
[05:08] <kiko> of course. I was being silly
[05:09] <flacoste> it should be easy to reply to a [trivial]  commit message to launchpad-reviews with post-merge review
[05:09] <kiko> flacoste, isn't that list shared with bazaar committers?
[05:09] <kiko> I thought it was
[05:10] <flacoste> it's not
[05:10] <flacoste> at least, I do not receive any messages from commit to bzr
[05:10] <kiko> we can just have someone set up Reply-To for it
[05:10] <kiko> do I admin that list?
[05:10] <kiko> I don't think I do
[05:12] <flacoste> any decision or more discussion regarding that point?
[05:12] <flacoste> 5
[05:12] <flacoste> 4
[05:12] <flacoste> 3
[05:12] <flacoste> 2
[05:12] <flacoste> 1
[05:12] <kiko> nope
[05:12] <kiko> I will take action on it
[05:12] <flacoste> * Training up reviewers - to discuss (BjornT for .eu)
[05:13] <kiko> I think that list belongs to lifeless I am researching
[05:13] <flacoste> kiko, what action exactly?
[05:13] <kiko> setting a reply-to
[05:13] <kiko> on the commits list
[05:13] <flacoste> great
[05:14] <flacoste> again, BjornT isn't here to discuss the training topic
[05:14] <kiko> so training reviewers
[05:14] <kiko> what could we do about it?
[05:15] <flacoste> reading from the .au meeting
[05:15] <flacoste> i see that the consensus seems to forward the reviews of trainee to another reviewer in the first weeks
[05:16] <flacoste> other item mentioned was that reviewers should update appropriate documentation (FAQ, StyleGuide, etc.) when they see an issue that comes up often in reviews
[05:16] <flacoste> point being that: "
[05:16] <flacoste> there is
[05:16] <flacoste> (currently) nothing that reviewers should look for that regular
[05:16] <flacoste> developers should not be doing themselves
[05:16] <flacoste> "
[05:17] <kiko> that's of course true
[05:17] <flacoste> personally, i think this is a good strategy
[05:18] <kiko> so how about
[05:18] <kiko> if each of us took on a reviewer to coach?
[05:18] <kiko> flacoste could take barry 
[05:18] <kiko> who else is up for training?
[05:18] <statik> stevea did a review last week with bac and I looking on. I found it quite useful as a training exercise. We used gobby to edit the patch, and all took part in adding review comments. We were talking in person, but that could easily be replaced by a voice call.
[05:19] <salgado> kiko, somebody mentioned thumper 
[05:19] <flacoste> i was about to :-)
[05:19] <bac> kiko: yes, working with steve was useful.  i'm in.
[05:19] <kiko> salgado, great idea, but I'm not volunteering to coach him :)
[05:19] <thumper> hello
[05:19] <thumper> what
[05:20] <kiko> thumper, the police want you for questioning
[05:20] <kiko> they think you killed laura palmer
[05:20] <kiko> EOT
[05:20] <kiko> bac, do you want me to be your coach?
[05:21] <bac> kiko: sure
[05:21] <kiko> smart move
[05:21] <flacoste> so we have barry/flacoste, bac/kiko, thumper/salgado?
[05:21] <salgado> sure
[05:22] <bac> statik?
[05:22] <sinzui> Bob is in thumper?
[05:22] <kiko> no
[05:22] <kiko> not thumper/salgado
[05:22] <thumper> Bob who?
[05:22] <kiko> that will kill them
[05:22] <flacoste> thumper: Twin Peeaks reference
[05:23] <flacoste> thumper: he's the evil spirit that killed laura palmer, sorry for the spoiler :-)
[05:23] <thumper> ah, ok
[05:23] <thumper> I don't get to watch too much TV these days
[05:23] <thumper> just Boston Legal
[05:23] <thumper> and House
[05:23] <kiko> sorry
[05:23] <kiko> who will coach thumper?
[05:24] <kiko> and who will salgado coach?
[05:24] <thumper> what about spiv or jamesh?
[05:24] <thumper> at least they are relatively close
[05:24] <flacoste> that's good point
[05:24] <flacoste> so salgado could coach statik
[05:24] <flacoste> and thumper is up for adoption by a .au reviewer
[05:24] <statik> flacoste: great!
[05:24] <flacoste> i'll put that up on next week agenda
[05:24] <salgado> sounds good to me
[05:25] <flacoste> so should we tell lifeless to start assigning reviews to our new reviewers in training?
[05:25] <kiko> flacoste... I think yes
[05:25] <kiko> that's a good idea
[05:26] <bac> is there a RIT merit badge?
[05:26] <flacoste> i'll update the PendingReviews page
[05:26] <kiko> you do that
[05:26] <kiko> and email lifeless?
[05:26] <kiko> royal institute of technology
[05:26] <flacoste> indeed
[05:26] <bac> flacoste: it was your term...
[05:26] <flacoste> bac: ok
[05:27] <flacoste> * [fasttrack]  (BjornT for .eu)
[05:27] <kiko> it's a good idea
[05:27] <kiko> because it documents something which is already happening anyway
[05:27] <flacoste> that's currently on discussion on the list
[05:28] <kiko> fasttrack has mandatory post-review AIUI?
[05:28] <flacoste> See "Documentation for urgent reviews?" thread
[05:28] <kiko> yeah
[05:28] <flacoste> there is no [fasttrack]  PQM yet
[05:28] <kiko> I wonder why :)
[05:29] <salgado> because we have [trivial]  :p
[05:29] <flacoste> current consensus seems to be to stick with current practice:
[05:29] <kiko> 10 points to the soccer player on the left
[05:29] <flacoste> grab a reviewer online and ask for assistance, and failing that put it on the PendingReviews page with a clear note about its urgency and mail the launchpad-reviews list for added measure.
[05:30] <kiko> flacoste, what are you talking about?!
[05:30] <flacoste> i am quoting lifeless email
[05:30] <salgado> urgent reviews
[05:31] <kiko> that seems to be ignoring the issue completely
[05:31] <kiko> the issue is that landings that are fasttrack won't go through this process
[05:31] <kiko> no matter how much we would like them to
[05:32] <flacoste> that's another matter then
[05:32] <flacoste> it's about having an explicit [fasttrack]  merge tag which should be scheduled for post-merge review
[05:32] <kiko> is it? isn't that exactly what fasttrack?
[05:33] <kiko> right
[05:33] <kiko> that's what I am talking about
[05:33] <kiko> right!
[05:33] <flacoste> so let's postpone that then
[05:33] <flacoste> moving on...
[05:33] <flacoste> * Other business
[05:33] <flacoste> i have
[05:34] <flacoste> I completed TestsStyleGuide last week, only comments I received was from barry which said "good stuff"
[05:34] <flacoste> but two reviewers already refered to it, so I guess I didn't do a bad job
[05:34] <flacoste> anyone else read it and want to comment on it?
[05:34] <flacoste> s/which said/who said/
[05:34] <kiko> I want to read it
[05:34] <kiko> but it's backlogged
[05:34] <kiko> I think it is invaluable
[05:35] <kiko> so don't feel demotivated, it's totally worth the work
[05:35] <salgado> it's great
[05:35] <flacoste> I don't feel demotivated at all, it's just that I had some doubts to the document structure I came with
[05:35] <statik> flacoste: I missed this document, but just looked at it now it seems very useful
[05:36] <kiko> statik, you get 10 demerits
[05:37] <flacoste> i put a long of context and explanations in there, I wondered if a checklist style of document wouldn't have been more useful
[05:38] <flacoste> ok, any other business?
[05:38] <flacoste> 5
[05:38] <flacoste> 4
[05:39] <flacoste> 3
[05:39] <flacoste> 2
[05:39] <flacoste> 1
[05:39] <flacoste> MEETING ENDS
[05:39] <kiko> thanks flacoste 
[05:39] <kiko> sorry for being so on and off
[06:53] <Gankutsuou> Hello folks, need help!
[06:54] <Gankutsuou> How do I add a team here https://translations.launchpad.net/translations/groups/ubuntu-translators ?
[06:57] <pochu> Gankutsuou: a rosetta admin should do it for you
[06:57] <pochu> Gankutsuou: which language do you want to add?
[06:58] <Gankutsuou> where can I find one?
[06:58] <Gankutsuou> https://translations.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-kn/
[07:00] <matsubara-lunch> carlos, danilos: ^
[07:00] <carlos> matsubara-lunch: thanks
[07:02] <Gankutsuou> ah thanks pochu dude
[07:02] <pochu> Gankutsuou: np.
[07:02] <pochu> Gankutsuou: BTW, which language is that? :)
[07:02] <pochu> I'm curious
[07:02] <Gankutsuou> hehe, it's kannada, an Indian language
[07:02] <carlos> Gankutsuou: it's done
[07:03] <pochu> oh :)
[07:03] <Gankutsuou> language spoken in Bangalore :)
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107534 in rosetta "Trying to edit language in translation group causes an OOPS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107534
[07:53] <carlos> see you tomorrow!
[09:07] <andi5> hi... this is probably an faq-type questions, but it bugs me :) ... so is there a way to search in launchpad for distribution source packages that lead to binaries that containing files named like a given string in some architecture, just like what packages.ubuntu.com provides? ... thanks for any hint / redirection!
[09:34] <blueyed> kiko: About the OOPS-472A1275 from yesterday.. was it filed already as a bug?
[09:34] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/472A1275
[09:36] <kiko> matsubara, can you check on that for me please?
[09:36] <matsubara> blueyed: checking
[09:36] <kiko> thanks for reminding me blueyed, btw
[09:37] <blueyed> np.. luckily Konversation shows the last lines from before the hibernation.
[10:05] <pochu> matsubara: (re: bug 107454) I've tried with a firefox clean profile, and still happens
[10:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 107454 in launchpad ""t" in "Get an account" in +about is behind the arrow" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107454
[10:10] <matsubara> pochu: add any information you have to the bug please.
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #107563 in malone "VPN not functioning for usual users" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107563
[10:11] <pochu> matsubara: already done :)
[10:11] <pochu> hmm, I missed one thing
[10:13] <pochu> updated
[11:13] <blueyed> Is "apport" not running currently? Did not seem to retrace anything lately: https://launchpad.net/~apport/+karma
[11:13] <blueyed> oh.. "karma" is updated daily only..
[11:14] <kiko> the karma totals are
[11:14] <kiko> but the events are not
[11:15] <blueyed> ah.. then the service does not seem to be running currently!?
[11:15] <kiko> sounds like something's weird
[11:18] <apokryphos> kiko: hi 8)
[11:18] <kiko> hey
[11:19] <apokryphos> kiko: busy atm? I spoke to you yesterday briefly regarding ~francis
[11:19] <kiko> apokryphos, give me 10 minutes
[11:19] <apokryphos> sure
[11:19] <kiko> blueyed, this is strange. can you check what's up with seb128 on an ubuntu channel?
[11:21] <blueyed> kiko: seb128 is offline since 1.5h. Anyone else who  could take a look? Is ubuntu-devel appropriate?
[11:22] <kiko> blueyed, yes I think so. do you know how the apport commenter works?
[11:22] <blueyed> kiko: bdmurray said in #ubuntu-bugs that the service has been paused.
[11:23] <blueyed> The service looks for need-$ARCH-retrace tags and retraces them. Very useful.
[11:23] <kiko> I see
[11:23] <kiko> okay, so that's what's up
[11:24] <zaheed> hi for the last couple of days i am receiving the following error: any hint..
[11:24] <zaheed> Using saved location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/hadoop/trunk/
[11:24] <zaheed> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: '58/datajoinjob.java-20070324061041-7nmex296jde2df5f-12.knit': [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/opt/local/repos/bzr.hadoop/.bzr/repository/knits/58/datajoinjob.java-20070324061041-7nmex296jde2df5f-12.knit'
[11:24] <kiko> grumble
[11:24] <kiko> I need a bzr guy to look at that
[11:25] <kiko> and nobody is around :-(
[11:25] <kiko> zaheed, sounds like a bug in our supermirror perms
[11:25] <zaheed> should i file a report..
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #107575 in malone "Launchpad should handle invalid blob encoding better" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107575
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #107580 in launchpad-answers "Redirection code is broken for /support" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107580