[12:28] <leth_> I can't type the pipe character over vnc, anyone got any ideas?
[12:28] <leth_> It's not a client issue as far as i can tell
[12:30] <basvg> wow... all packages installed... 's cleaning up now. Impressive (so far)
[12:30] <|NewUser|> basvg: same here :)
[12:31] <frank23> I heard the feisty RC was delayed. Is the release delayed as well?
[12:31] <Woody_> after i installed ubuntu on my computer, and when i enter xp... i cannot access (D:) the partition of ubuntu
[12:32] <Woody_> why is that?
[12:32] <basvg> frank23: on the site it still says 2 days to go
[12:32] <Woody_> (D: )
[12:32] <basvg> Woody_: windows doesn't know how to read the filesystem I think... it's the 'normal' behavior
[12:32] <frank23> Woody_: windows can't read the filesystem used by ubuntu (ext3)
[12:33] <Woody_> ah, so it can't be fixed?
[12:33] <frank23> Woody_: there is a driver you can install in windows to support ext3
[12:33] <leth_> anyone know why vnc won't let me type pipe characters and stuff?
[12:33] <basvg> wow... boot is much faster in feisty
[12:33] <frank23> Woody_: I forget what it's called. I never tried it
[12:33] <Woody_> ah okay thanks frank23
[12:33] <|NewUser|> how can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz all. so this is my all update and download packages there.. anyone can help ?
[12:35] <basvg> right, everything seems to work... off to bed!
[12:41] <maccam94> weird, update download's going very slowly for me...  30-50KB/s
[12:41] <mstrzele> anybody knows what's the difference in xserver-xorg-video-i180 and recently uploaded to universe xserver-xorg-video-intel?
[12:41] <maccam94> mstrzele, is there anything in the changelogs?
[12:41] <peterflute> Hello gnomefreak, did you have time to look into my problem with the nvidia drivers?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> peterflute: 7300 or 6200?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> or 6600
[12:42] <peterflute> 6600gt
[12:42] <peterflute> I think "gt" is short for "git"
[12:42] <peterflute> ...and I wondered if it might not be a motherboard issue...
[12:42] <mstrzele> maccam94: nothing. two different packages. xserver-xorg-video-intel version starts from 1:1.9.94-1ubuntu3, before that version there was nothing ;)
[12:42] <gnomefreak> peterflute: yeah i looked into it but i am hearing the new drivers 9755 should work. i have no way of testing
[12:42] <leth_> does anyone know why the vncserver can't understand the pipe character from my client?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> peterflute: 6200 and up seem to all be a beast to set up
[12:43] <peterflute> So I shoul dmaybe download them rom nvidia and try themm.
[12:43] <leth_> other things like the less that/greater than signs don't work either
[12:45] <VirhYl3> How do I get a program to start every time I reboot automatically?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> peterflute: im not real sure to be honest :(
[12:46] <mstrzele> VirhYl3: go to System -> Preferences -> Sessions
[12:46] <|NewUser|> how can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz  i have all packages. there which one i download or update.. plz anyone can help ?
[12:46] <peterflute> Well I appreciate your honesty.
[12:46] <gnomefreak> peterflute: maybe ask about it in #ubuntu-motu
[12:46] <peterflute> And thanks again for the help.
[12:47] <peterflute> ubuntu-motu?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> since they package the drivers they may know more
[12:47] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu-motu channel
[12:47] <gnomefreak> peterflute: /j #ubuntu-motu ;)
[12:48] <peterflute> thanks.
[12:49] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:50] <|NewUser|> can someone plz help me out ?  iwant to take just backup 0f that folder in another place.
[01:04] <leafw> so compiz is not enabled by default, but it's "one check box away" ? Which check box? Where? Is it meant for synaptic or what ?
[01:04] <fb33> how do I renew my ip?
[01:04] <fb33> or get a local ip
[01:04] <fb33> it says I don't have one
[01:04] <leafw> is there an official list of compiz-enabled graphic cards?
[01:05] <fb33> and dhcpcd is not working
[01:05] <leafw> fb33 : ethernet cable ?  sudo ifup eth0
[01:06] <_Neil> So, as of tomorrow this channel and #ubuntu merge?
[01:06] <_Neil> or not :)
[01:06] <fb33> wireless. but I got the idea
[01:06] <apollo2011> Hi everyone
[01:06] <_Neil> hey apollo2011
[01:06] <mstrzele> leafw: System -> Preferences -> Desktop Effects to enable Compiz
[01:07] <sdfasdfawef> leafw: system ->preferences -> desktop effects
[01:07] <apollo2011> I am having trouble with the nvidia-glx driver. I have an NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 graphics card, and X successfully loads with the nvidia-glx package (version 9631) but the colors are off. I have tried the gamma settings but I cannot get anything to repair this problem, The nv driver works fine and the nvidia-glx driver used to work fine with my card.
[01:08] <sdfasdfawef> thats only basic effects though
[01:08] <sdfasdfawef> if you want more, you'll have to install full compiz and extras
[01:08] <sdfasdfawef> or beryl
[01:08] <mstrzele> sdfasdfawef: if you want to configure more effects you must install gnome-compiz-manager
[01:09] <Woody_> which is better? compiz or beryl?
[01:09] <mstrzele> apollo2011: for your card you must install nvidia-glx-legacy, I guess
[01:10] <Woody_> mstrzele: what is better? compiz or beryl?
[01:11] <mstrzele> apollo2011: sorry, my mistake. for new nvidia cards is nvidia-glx-new, for yours model is nvidia-glx
[01:11] <apollo2011> All indications from nvidia say I need the 9631 driver, legacy does not give me 3D support.
[01:11] <misfit_toy> apollo nvidia-glx now supports 9631, use that
[01:11] <apollo2011> I just found this post that seems to show the same problem affecting FreeBSD and Linux users: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84323
[01:12] <apollo2011> misfit_toy: I am on 9631 now
[01:12] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, what card?
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x
[01:12] <apollo2011> Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 200
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> so many nvidia 'issues'
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> SysInfo: Graphic: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> will mine work?
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x
[01:12] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, not familiar with that one
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it's not like it's new or sumn
[01:13] <misfit_toy> I have 3d acceleration:
[01:13] <misfit_toy> using:
[01:13] <misfit_toy> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[01:13] <misfit_toy> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 440 Go/AGP/SSE2
[01:13] <misfit_toy> OpenGL version string: 1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.31
[01:14] <misfit_toy> and that is the ubuntu nvidia-glx, not -legacy
[01:14] <apollo2011> misfit_toy: I have 3D support but I would really rather have proper colors than 3D support, right now, stuff that supposed to look blue looking yellow-green with nvidia-glx
[01:15] <misfit_toy> weird, my colors are fine here, is this an older -glx driver maybe? have you updated in a while? this one is from only a week or so ago.
[01:16] <apollo2011> misfit_toy: nope everything is updated its the 9631 driver. Nvidia .bin install gives the same problem. I had this problem on Edgy and upgrading to Feisty had no benefit
[01:16] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, never heard of a color issue, that one's new to me.
[01:18] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, laptop or desktop?
[01:18] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, what kind of monitor?
[01:19] <misfit_toy> maybe your refresh rate is wrong
[01:21] <apollo2011> misfit_toy: Dell Dimension 8200 desktop with Dell 7200FP (DVI connection) LCD Monitor
[01:22] <xtknight> 1702fp you mean perhaps?
[01:22] <xtknight> all lcds should run at 60 hz
[01:22] <BluesKaj> hey misfit_toy, I successfully put /home on it's own partition...had to use this tutorial to make the transition :  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[01:22] <apollo2011> xtknight: yes 1702fp, sorry
[01:22] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, isn't there an nvidia gamma correction util? I forget the name...
[01:22] <misfit_toy> BluesKaj, cool man, glad you got it!
[01:22] <apollo2011> misfit_toy: Yes, but it doesn't fix the problem (nvidia-settings)
[01:23] <xtknight> could be a gamma problem
[01:23] <xtknight> is gamma R=1.0, G=1.0, B=1.0?
[01:24] <apollo2011> misfit_toy, xtknight: All the gammas appear right, and Red and Green will change appearance, but moving the blue gamma does nothing
[01:24] <xtknight> apollo2011, check the cable on both ends (display card and monitor)
[01:24] <xtknight> both vga and dvi have separate pins for red/green/blue and one can get unplugged and cause discoloration
[01:24] <apollo2011> xtknight: Well if I switch to nv driver, it is fine
[01:24] <xtknight> apollo2011, well it could be a bandwidth problem, perhaps
[01:24] <xtknight> so i'd still check the cable
[01:24] <xtknight> just plug it in all the way on both sides
[01:25] <xtknight> it's hooked up via DVI or VGA right now?
[01:25] <|NewUser|> ow can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz  i have all packages. there which one i download or update.. plz anyone can help ?
[01:26] <|NewUser|> *h
[01:26] <misfit_toy> |NewUser|, why don't you just burn it to cd with gnomebaker or something? :)
[01:27] <apollo2011> xtknight: right now its DVI, monitor end of the cable was ok, I
[01:27] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: dont have writer :p
[01:27] <apollo2011> will try the card end now otherwise try VGA
[01:27] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy:  i have 80gb USb so i can transfer it easily
[01:27] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: just want to backup it completly..
[01:28] <misfit_toy> "tar cvpzf backup.tgz  --exclude=backup.tgz ."
[01:28] <xtknight> apollo2011, so with nvidia driver you have issues but with nv no issues?  at the desktop?
[01:29] <misfit_toy> but switch to that directory first |NewUser|
[01:29] <misfit_toy> oops
[01:29] <|NewUser|> :S
[01:29] <|NewUser|> tar ?
[01:29] <misfit_toy> "tar cvpzf /dev/whateveryourusbthingis/backup.tgz  --exclude=backup.tgz ."
[01:29] <xtknight> interesting. you need the exclude in there?
[01:29] <misfit_toy> xtknight, not since he's putting it externally, no
[01:29] <llamakc> you do if you're in that same dir
[01:29] <misfit_toy> right
[01:30] <xtknight> probably need root access too no?
[01:30] <xtknight> for /var/cache
[01:30] <misfit_toy> and |NewUser| notice that little "." at the end of that line
[01:30] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: sure let me try it.
[01:30] <misfit_toy> yes sudo would be required, I never know how much to tell someone! lol
[01:30] <xtknight> ah nm no root for Read
[01:30] <|NewUser|> l0ol
[01:31] <|NewUser|> xtknight:  now whenever i use any cmd. i used sudo first :)
[01:31] <misfit_toy> xtknight, oh, true!
[01:31] <xtknight> no dont use sudo
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[01:31] <xtknight> so he has read access already
[01:31] <misfit_toy> righto
[01:32] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: so this command made backup in same place ?
[01:33] <|NewUser|> with .tgz ?
[01:33] <xtknight> i dont believe you use a block device as a parameter
[01:33] <Crazytom> is fiesty still due out the 19th or is it going to be late?
[01:33] <|NewUser|> xtknight: who me ? sorry i m new with linux trying to learn
[01:34] <xtknight> |NewUser|, ya sorry i wasnt specific
[01:34] <xtknight> |NewUser|, hold on ill try and figure out the command
[01:34] <PriceChild> Crazytom, it'll be out when its ready
[01:35] <stdin> Crazytom: no delays announced tho
[01:35] <xtknight> when will it be ready? :)
[01:35] <|NewUser|> xtknight:  sure :)
[01:35] <beg1689> is it too late to report a bug?
[01:35] <|NewUser|> xtknight:  i m waiting :)
[01:35] <xtknight> beg1689, no, please do
[01:35] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: why don't u use file-roller to backup this dir?
[01:35] <xtknight> beg1689, it can still come thru the updates if it doesn't make the Feisty release
[01:35] <jbruckman> hey everyone, i'm having some problems with Nvidia drivers in feisty. anyone know how to get them installed without breaking the monitor settings?
[01:35] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: and save archive on e.g. desktop and drag&drop it to the usb disk
[01:35] <|NewUser|> mstrzele:  thats dir owned by root And.. i think dir is in use
[01:36] <beg1689> searching launchpad first :)
[01:36] <xtknight> you can do create archive
[01:36] <xtknight> i just hate it that it has no progress bar
[01:36] <xtknight> but maybe you don't care
[01:36] <xtknight> |NewUser|, type "file-roller"
[01:36] <xtknight> actually maybe file roller has progress.  nautilus script doesn't but we wont use that
[01:36] <beg1689> wow i never noticed bug number 1
[01:36] <|NewUser|> okies its open
[01:36] <xtknight> |NewUser|, new archive
[01:37] <BluesKaj> |NewUser|, sudo gedit /var/cache/apt
[01:37] <xtknight> |NewUser|, save it on you desktop somewhere
[01:37] <xtknight> gedit?
[01:37] <xtknight> perhaps gksu nautilus
[01:37] <xtknight> though i think file roller is a better idea
[01:37] <beg1689> will i ever see the day where i can walk into compusa and see a desktop running ubuntu?
[01:37] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj: in that dir there is alot files and more dir.
[01:37] <xtknight> beg1689, not unless you put in a livecd on one of their computers :P
[01:37] <BluesKaj> oops yeah, i keep forgeting to substitute ...
[01:38] <xtknight> |NewUser|, got the new archive  made?
[01:38] <xtknight> do Tar compressed with Bzip2
[01:38] <|NewUser|> xtknight:  hold on .. closing all crap.
[01:38] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: Places -> Computer -> Filesystem -> var -> cache -> apt -> archvies -> right click on 'archives', next "Make archive" and save it to a desktop e.g., is the easiest solution
[01:39] <xtknight> yeah youd have to do "gksu nautilus" for the above
[01:39] <beg1689> ok maybe this is more of a request than a bug: there is no easy way to switch between dhcp and static ip (in this case im referring to wired network)
[01:39] <mstrzele> xtknight: i've just packed all ../archives without having root rights
[01:39] <beg1689> if im using static, i have to manually switch to dhcp, and when i want to switch back i need to reenter IP, gateway, subnet
[01:40] <xtknight> mstrzele, i thought create archive only let you create an archive in the current dir (thus requiring root)?
[01:40] <The_Jack_of_Club> whootz
[01:40] <xtknight> ah k never mind
[01:40] <mstrzele> xtknight: with "Make archive" dialog you can choose path to save archive
[01:40] <xtknight> |NewUser|, ignore what i said earlier
[01:40] <beg1689> also network manager tries to connect to wireless networks when wired network is set manually
[01:40] <The_Jack_of_Club> so hows wireless networking?
[01:40] <xtknight> |NewUser|, dont bother with file roller right now
[01:40] <The_Jack_of_Club> mm
[01:40] <beg1689> works great
[01:40] <beg1689> wireless networking works BETTER than wired
[01:41] <xtknight> doubt that
[01:41] <The_Jack_of_Club> :)
[01:41] <mstrzele> xtknight: and it have progress bar ;] 
[01:41] <The_Jack_of_Club> wpa2 doesnt freak anymore does it?
[01:41] <xtknight> mstrzele, doesnt for me sometimes.  just a bouncing bar
[01:41] <xtknight> dunno
[01:41] <|NewUser|> xtknight: its start :S
[01:41] <The_Jack_of_Club> also is wireless n supported?
[01:41] <xtknight> |NewUser|, type "gksu nautilus"
[01:41] <beg1689> right now im connected using wired network, but nm-applet shows an empty signal, it wants a wireless network
[01:41] <xtknight> er
[01:41] <beg1689> becuase im set to static
[01:41] <xtknight> never mind dont need that
[01:41] <|NewUser|> so cancel it ?
[01:41] <xtknight> |NewUser|, just follow mstrzele 's instructions
[01:42] <|NewUser|> okie
[01:42] <VirhYl3> What has crashed and how do I fix it when I have No panels in gnome?
[01:42] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: Places -> Computer -> Filesystem -> var -> cache -> apt -> right click on 'archives', next "Make archive" and save it to a desktop e.g., is the easiest solution
[01:42] <The_Jack_of_Club> wireless n anybody? i know its new but macs have it... and that vista thingy i think :P
[01:43] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: are u sure the backup willbe same as the previous condition ?
[01:43] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: yes
[01:43] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie :)
[01:44] <VirhYl3> And how do I open the panels back up, so I can try a reboot?
[01:44] <|NewUser|> have to reboot system.. my updates are finished :)
[01:44] <|NewUser|> brb
[01:44] <llamakc> i gotta get away from my ati card. looking for something by nvidia under $100. no big gaming card needed. suggestions?
[01:46] <xtknight> lol gonna try unreal tournament at 2960x2074
[01:48] <Tm_T> Laney: hi mother
[01:48] <Laney> Hello... son?
[01:49] <spike> hi there
[01:49] <Tm_T> spike: you seems to have bad user info
[01:49] <spike> can anybody help me out with raid and udev? I'm having a serious nightmare with it
[01:49] <VirhYl3> How can I reboot without any reboot button?
[01:49] <spike> or more precisely, a problem with initrd
[01:49] <lupine_85> "reboot" in terminal
[01:49] <VirhYl3> thnx.
[01:50] <mstrzele> VirhYl3: go to termial and press CTRL+ALT+DEL
[01:50] <spike> the new image as created with update-initramfs wont boot, just give me errors that /dev/md/0 is busy
[01:50] <Tm_T> Laney: your realname ;)
[01:50] <VirhYl3> what program is terminal in /usr?
[01:50] <Tm_T> VirhYl3: err?
[01:50] <VirhYl3> or you mean ctrl+alt+f1
[01:50] <VirhYl3> ?
[01:50] <Laney> Tm_T: Oh haha, I forgot about that!
[01:50] <spike> anybody?
[01:51] <mstrzele> VirhYl3: first press CTRL+ALT+F1 to go to the termianl and then press CTRL+ALT+DEL
[01:51] <VirhYl3> Tm_T: I have a desktop, beryl, avant window navigator, and no other menus anywhwere.
[01:51] <The_Jack_of_Club> unmount
[01:51] <VirhYl3> mstrzele: Ok, will try that.
[01:51] <xtknight> how do you disable an audio device?
[01:51] <VirhYl3> brb?
[01:51] <xtknight> i want to disable my onboard completely (could do it from the bios but not convenient atm)
[01:52] <sdfasdfawef> with vmware workstation 6 my usb devices arent picked up by my win xp guest os in feisty.... anyone else have this problem?
[01:52] <sdfasdfawef> fiesty picks them up fine, but doesnt pass them on to the virtual machine
[01:53] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:53] <gan|y|med> why does fglrx.ko get deleted every time the system is restarted???
[01:54] <misfit_toy> gan|y|med, if no one here knows you might try in #ubuntu-effects
[01:54] <gan|y|med> thx. what's this?
[01:54] <beg1689> llamakc: you can get a gf7600 if you look hard enough for under $100
[01:54] <gan|y|med> channel for strange effects?
[01:54] <beg1689> 7600gs
[01:54] <llamakc> thanks beg1689. will do
[01:55] <beg1689> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122007
[01:55] <xtknight> how do i find out what program is using a module?  i'm trying to unload one
[01:55] <beg1689> that one will be a bit more than $100 because of shipping
[01:55] <beg1689> i have a go 7600 which is probably the slowest version of it, but it runs awesome
[01:56] <beg1689> half life 2 (wine) ut2004, warcraft 3 (obviously), quake 4 all good
[01:56] <beg1689> wow and one of the reviews is from an ubuntu user
[01:56] <Shaddox> i have an ATI Radeon xpress 200M
[01:56] <xtknight> ut2004 runs awesome on a 7800gt here with ubuntu
[01:56] <Shaddox> Which sucks majorly
[01:56] <llamakc> thanks ya'll
[01:57] <xtknight> anyway to map an alsa device to hw0:0 from hw1:0?
[01:57] <|NewUser|> heheh
[01:57] <gan|y|med> come on guys
[01:57] <gan|y|med> nobody has ever had the fglrx issue, nobody uses the ati drivers?
[01:57] <sdfasdfawef> anyone using vmware 6 beta on feisty?
[01:57] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: as i said .. it gave me error in return about permission :)
[01:58] <llamakc> gan|y|med: I'm unable to use them.
[01:58] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: while extracting to new machine?
[01:58] <beg1689> vmware server? i hae player 1.0.2
[01:58] <llamakc> which is why i'm giving up on ati once and for all. i cant' get 2.6.20-15 to even boot beyond HAL
[01:58] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: no while compressing it
[01:58] <gan|y|med> llamakc: why that?
[01:58] <beg1689> my experience with ati is very nice
[01:59] <llamakc> with feisty?
[01:59] <beg1689> becuase all my ati cards are 200 series, out-of-the-box compiz
[01:59] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: error about 'lock' file?
[01:59] <beg1689> yes
[01:59] <Shaddox> Hey everyone. How do I get the sound working in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, which is on the Quake III engine?
[01:59] <llamakc> my radeon x300 is driving me batty
[01:59] <gan|y|med> the precompiled in feisty work perfectly well, couldn't get the ati ones to compile (kernel and xorg problems)
[01:59] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: An error occurred while adding files to the archive. "tar: apt/apt/archives/lock: Cannot open: Permission Denied
[01:59] <|NewUser|> tar: apt/archives/lock: Cannot Open: Permission denied
[01:59] <|NewUser|> tar: Error exit delayed from previous error
[01:59] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: yea
[01:59] <Shaddox> |NewUser|: Try doing 'sudo <command>'
[02:00] <sdfasdfawef> beg1689: do usb devices work with it?
[02:00] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: this file is used to lock archives while you're using synaptics, U can skip this file
[02:00] <gan|y|med> as i said, precompiled drivers work, just that fglrx,ko gets deleted everytime the system is restarted
[02:00] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: you don't need to compress it while you gonna transfer only archives to new ubuntu installation
[02:00] <|NewUser|> mstrzele:  i want that whole folder :<
[02:01] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: then how can i deselect it ?
[02:01] <psusi> I just noticed that the amd64 livecd does not have gparted installed, but the i386 one does.. is this normal?
[02:01] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: all files from /archive/ dir is in the .tar.gz, only 'lock' file wasn't compressed
[02:01] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: you don't need to deselect it
[02:02] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: really ?
[02:02] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: i got all files in .tar.gz ? except lock ?
[02:02] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: yes
[02:02] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: try open archive from desktop and look at contents
[02:03] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie then its fine :) sure let me open it .
[02:05] <xtknight> Shaddox, there's some helpful stuff on the forums about ET
[02:05] <xtknight> psusi, i dont think that should be the case
[02:06] <psusi> ok... I'll file a bug report then
[02:06] <xtknight> i'd recommend doing that
[02:06] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie thanks ya its fine :) except lock . there is all files.
[02:06] <|NewUser|> damn i have 500+ mb apt cache :S
[02:06] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: no problem :)
[02:06] <|NewUser|> now i m gonna clean my cache first :)
[02:07] <sdfasdfawef> beg1689: do usb devices work with the version of vmware player you have installed
[02:08] <Shaddox> Hey everyone. How do I get the sound working in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, which is on the Quake III engine?
[02:08] <xtknight> Shaddox, there's some helpful stuff on the forums about ET
[02:08] <|NewUser|> well i m trying to do " sudo apt-get install && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade " in result its showing " 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 to upgraded. This mean i dont need any update now ?
[02:08] <Shaddox> xtknight: I forget the site's name. what is it again?
[02:08] <xtknight> www.ubuntuforums.org
[02:10] <beg1689> sdfasdfawef: never tried, want me to test one?
[02:10] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: yes, you have system up-to-date
[02:11] <|NewUser|> well i did " sudo apt-get clean " && " sudo apt-get autoclean " but still all the packages in that /var/cache/apt/apt/archives
[02:11] <jbruckman> i am having some problems install the proprietary nvidia drivers on my feisty distro. WHen I install the glx driver, i can no longer adjust the monitor resolution
[02:12] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: if you want to check is your system updated type in termial: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' only
[02:12] <|NewUser|> umm sorry but size is compress now size is just 53mb :S
[02:12] <NickGarvey> RC-1 is out?
[02:12] <|NewUser|> mstrzele:  okie
[02:12] <Shaddox> xtknight: Wow, i think i found what I'm lookin' for, ^^
[02:12] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: thanks for help :)
[02:13] <|NewUser|> now going to play with beryl :>
[02:13] <Shaddox> xtknight: Problem, though.
[02:13] <sdfasdfawef> beg1689: would be great if you could
[02:13] <gan|y|med> why does fglrx.ko get deleted every time the system is restarted???
[02:13] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: good luck '] 
[02:13] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: good luck ;] 
[02:13] <Shaddox> xtknight: It says to input: < echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss > into my console., but when I do it, even with a sudo, it says permission denied.
[02:14] <|NewUser|> duh.. can i one more thing.. in the right top corner there is icon of network.. it just like a pause picture :p not blinks
[02:14] <xtknight> Shaddox, ah k
[02:14] <xtknight> Shaddox, sudo sh -c "echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"
[02:14] <xtknight> try that instead
[02:14] <xtknight> sudos the whole thing
[02:15] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: Network Manager icon, I guess. that icon isn't blink on eth activity, it's normal behaviour
[02:15] <Shaddox> xtknight: archon@Shaddox:~$ sudo sh -c "echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"
[02:15] <Shaddox> xtknight: Password:
[02:15] <Shaddox> xtknight: et.x86
[02:15] <Shaddox> xtknight: Is that what it's supposed to say?
[02:15] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie :)
[02:15] <xtknight> Shaddox, hm
[02:15] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: again alot thanks.
[02:15] <Shaddox> xtknight: Let me test. ^^
[02:15] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: if you want a blinking icon install gnome-netstatus-applet
[02:15] <xtknight> Shaddox, no
[02:15] <Shaddox> Uh, okay...
[02:15] <xtknight> Shaddox, sudo sh -c "echo \"et.x86 0 0 direct\" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"
[02:15] <xtknight> try that instead
[02:15] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: sure ty
[02:16] <xtknight> its' not supposed to print anytihng
[02:16] <Shaddox> xtknight: It didn't print anything this time.
[02:17] <xtknight> Shaddox,  k type "cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"
[02:17] <xtknight> does that print anything?
[02:17] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: i try to install it but it says gnome-status-applet is already the newest version.
[02:17] <Shaddox> xtknight: With a sudo?
[02:17] <xtknight> Shaddox, nah
[02:17] <Shaddox> xtknight: It prints: et.x86 0 0 direct
[02:17] <xtknight> k it worked
[02:17] <Shaddox> Kay, testing.
[02:17] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: gnome-*status*-applet? not gnome-*netstatus*-applet?
[02:18] <Shaddox> xtknight: Sound's still borked.
[02:18] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: sorry ya it is gnome-netstatus-applet
[02:18] <xtknight> Shaddox, i'm not sure as ET worked first try for me
[02:18] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: so is it installed or not? :)
[02:19] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: is it installed but the light not blinks there :S
[02:19] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: right click on top panel, 'Add applet to panel' and select 'Network monitor'
[02:21] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: ya now it is look like what i want :) thanks ...
[02:21] <|NewUser|> is opera launch for fiesty ?
[02:22] <apollo2011> hello again misfit_toy xtknight
[02:22] <xtknight> apollo2011, hey
[02:22] <xtknight> were you the one with dell 1702fp problems?
[02:23] <apollo2011> xtknight: The DVI cable was connected ok, I tried the VGA and it was ok until the Kubuntu boot screen disappeared and I was expecting to see the login screen, but it was just blank
[02:23] <apollo2011> yes I was
[02:25] <apollo2011> One thing I noticed was that in the KDE System Settings for Monitor, everytime I loaded X with the nvidia-glx driver, it showed a different refresh rate, usually 53 or 57, but never 60. I couldn't get it to go to 60. Now I am back with the nv driver, and it shows 60Hz.
[02:26] <beg1689> sdfasdfawef: sorry i was busy
[02:26] <beg1689> booting up wmware now
[02:26] <apollo2011> I think this is just a bug with the nvidia driver that will have to be resolved by nvida, or by me buying a new graphics card...
[02:26] <Crazytom> !sound
[02:26] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:28] <sdfasdfawef> beg1689: great thanks
[02:28] <jbruckman> can someone please help me? I'd like some information on the nvidia drivers in feisty...
[02:28] <Shaddox> xtknight: My sound's still not there. :x
[02:29] <maccam94> anyone know what the deal is with large amounts of memory in kernel 2.6 atm? i've got 2GB of ram, plus a big swap partition (for the hell of it), but I was just reading some articles talking about how the 2.4 kernel could only address 1GB of ram....
[02:29] <xtknight> apollo2011, hmm im not sure
[02:29] <xtknight> maccam94, the 2.4 kernel?
[02:29] <xtknight> without a special config option yes but i dont think ubuntu in any way could ever work with a 2.4 kernel..?
[02:30] <xtknight> Shaddox, sorry i dont know how to fix it
[02:31] <maccam94> xtknight, no I am using the normal 2.6 kernel (I don't want 2.4). I was just reading that in kernel 2.4 there were issues with over 1GB of physical ram without a patch called "highmem", and I was wondering what the status of the issue is in 2.6
[02:31] <xtknight> maccam94, nope 2.6 is just fine
[02:32] <xtknight> maccam94, it can use 4 G of VRAM (-hardware addresses).  there is PAE support that can enable addressing up to 2^48 i believe
[02:32] <xtknight> a kernel in 64bit mode can address 2^48 also (48-bit not 64-bit memory on 64bit CPUs AFAIK)
[02:32] <beg1689> sdfasdfawef: my usb disk is working
[02:33] <beg1689> seems fine
[02:33] <maccam94> xtknight, k, that's what I thought, just there were lots of conflicting google results ;-P
[02:34] <beg1689> sdfasdfawef: it detected the usb disk but then i got an error, probably doesnt have proper permissions
[02:36] <sdfasdfawef> hmm
[02:36] <sdfasdfawef> ok thanks
[02:36] <beg1689> recognizes my bluetooth adaptor too
[02:36] <beg1689> is it recognizing your devices jusnot being able to access them?
[02:36] <sdfasdfawef> mine are all getting picked up by ubuntu, but not by the quest xp isntall
[02:36] <sdfasdfawef> :/
[02:36] <beg1689> ok
[02:37] <beg1689> are the usb lines enabled in the .vmx?
[02:37] <beg1689> usb.present = "TRUE"  &&  usb.generic.autoconnect = "TRUE"
[02:37] <sdfasdfawef> ill check that..
[02:37] <sdfasdfawef> from the gui it shows that its enabled and present, but i havent looked at the config file
[02:38] <beg1689> well i use player, not workstation
[02:38] <beg1689> for me it shows devices at the top, and i can toggle them on and off
[02:38] <beg1689> CD-ROM, Ethernet, Sound, then all usb devices
[02:38] <Eleaf> Does anybody here know much about pulseaudio?
[02:38] <Eleaf> I'm running it, but I seem to get a small amount of latency that wasn't there with just alsa.
[02:41] <sdfasdfawef> hmm..
[02:42] <sdfasdfawef> i see that first line but not the second line
[02:42] <sdfasdfawef> ill try adding that one
[02:44] <Gat0rvean> is the only difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu the Gnome to KDE desktop envoronments?
[02:45] <mphill> Gat0rvean, not in my opinion
[02:45] <Eleaf> yes Gat0rvean
[02:45] <Gat0rvean> mphill, could you elaborate a bit?
[02:46] <mphill> Kubuntu comes with more bloat, it has Konquor instead of Firefox, Kopete instead of Gaim, just different apps mostly...
[02:47] <|NewUser|> BRB
[02:47] <mphill> Personally I like to install ubuntu then get kde core, seems much more stable.... imho
[02:47] <BluesKaj> <---prefers KDE ...old windows guys usually do
[02:48] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: stop cursing
[02:48] <mphill> BluesKaj makes a good point, most Windows user like KDE more, and Mac users tend to like Gnome...
[02:48] <BluesKaj> I said old ...as in the past :)
[02:48] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: no, next word was the illegal one
[02:49] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:49] <BluesKaj> well learned about pcs on windows first , then saw the light
[02:49] <instabin> how do i rename a link
[02:50] <instabin> in the command prompt
[02:50] <instabin> or just redirect a link
[02:50] <beg1689> !ln
[02:50] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:50] <beg1689> aww
[02:51] <beg1689> !man
[02:51] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:51] <beg1689> mv filename newfilename
[02:51] <MrFeetio> !kvm
[02:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:51] <beg1689> ln -s filepointedto filepointedby
[02:52] <MrFeetio> !qemu
[02:52] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[02:52] <mstrzele> !xen
[02:52] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[02:58] <Shaddox> Uh, question.
[02:59] <Shaddox> I installed ubuntu-desktop on my server machine. How can I bring up the ubuntu desktop interface on this laptop?
[03:00] <noname`> If I run update-manager through terminal and press 'check' I get the output: current dist not found in meta-release file
[03:00] <noname`> Is that normal, or a problem?
[03:01] <dfawerefaef> figured it out
[03:02] <dfawerefaef> had to run sudo mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb
[03:03] <mphill> Shaddox, enable remote desktop
[03:03] <mphill> then on the laptop from session, change it to remote
[03:03] <Shaddox> mphill: Uh, can you explain how? I haven't done this before. ^^
[03:06] <mphill> on the server click system -> preferences -> remote desktop
[03:06] <Shaddox> mphil: Give me a few, I'll need to learn how to configure it and all that, but I'm in the middle of dishes. Are you going to be here in about 15-30 minutes?
[03:07] <mphill> probably not bro
[03:07] <Shaddox> Ah, crap, then let me go turn my server monitor on.
[03:08] <Shaddox> Also, how do I configure it so GDM does NOT start on startup?
[03:08] <xtknight> does ubuntu have the JACK audio plugin?  in repos or enabled by default ? any guides on using it?
[03:09] <RAOF> xtknight: AFAIK, the jack server *is* in the repos, and if you're interested in it you probably want to check out the ubuntu-studio metapackage
[03:10] <xtknight> RAOF, ah just trying to get the most out of my audigy2(emu10k2).  asio, 24/192 etc
[03:10] <mphill> Shaddox, you can remove GDM maybe rename it in init.d
[03:10] <RAOF> xtknight: pulseaudio?  Nice & in main :)
[03:11] <xtknight> RAOF, ah looks sweet.  thanks
[03:11] <RAOF> xtknight: Also, unless you're trying to do professional-type recording, I don't think jack will get anything more out of your audigy than ALSA
[03:11] <xtknight> nah
[03:11] <instabin> I fixed my glx now im getting a differnet error when x is starting. The nvidia kernel module has version 1.0.9755 but the x module has version 1.0.9631
[03:11] <xtknight> not professional.  probably not even recording (well maybe from waveout).  i just wanna mess with the output sample rates/ etc
[03:11] <xtknight> enthusiast i guess
[03:12] <RAOF> xtknight: ALSA allows that.
[03:12] <instabin> how do i change my kernel module to the verison installed with the synaptic
[03:12] <RAOF> instabin: Have you tried installing your nvidia driver manually at any point?
[03:12] <instabin> it was when i had 6.10
[03:12] <xtknight> RAOF, unfortunately i have no idea how.  docs are very sparse
[03:12] <instabin> but then i up graded to 7.04
[03:13] <RAOF> instabin: Upgrade, not clean install?
[03:13] <xtknight> RAOF,  i'm trying to get it to sound as good as the kX drivers on my windows.  i thought perhaps it was because of the 24-bit 192khz (to my knowldge) i have enabled in windows
[03:13] <instabin> RAOF: Upgrade
[03:14] <instabin> RAOF: update-manager -d
[03:14] <Eleaf> why is there no autopackage in feisty?
[03:14] <RAOF> xtknight: But all your CDs/MP3s/whatever will be 16bit @ 44KHz, right?  Upsampling from there 'aint gonna make anything sound better :)
[03:14] <Eleaf> I can't find any autopackage tools in the repos
[03:14] <RAOF> Eleaf: Because it's broken
[03:15] <Eleaf> It's needed to run this game I want to try ;)
[03:15] <xtknight> RAOF, heh i wonder what it could be then
[03:15] <instabin> Where are the kernel modules at its probably just a messed up symbolic link
[03:15] <RAOF> instabin: Pastebin your /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file.
[03:15] <xtknight> RAOF, is there some type of HW equalizer for the audigy2?  i do know kX has that, yet i do not see one for ALSA
[03:15] <instabin> RAOF: its on the other computer its a command prompt right now
[03:15] <instabin> no X
[03:16] <RAOF> instabin: Well, then tell me what the DISABLED_MODULES line has in it.
[03:16] <instabin> ok
[03:16] <RAOF> Eleaf: Sorry, I replaced "autopackage" with "checkinstall".  What's autopackage meant to be?
[03:16] <Eleaf> checkinstall doesn't work???
[03:16] <instabin> RAOF: just NV
[03:17] <RAOF> instabin: That's your problem :)
[03:17] <Eleaf> RAOF, it's what lots of projects use to run programs.
[03:17] <instabin> ?
[03:17] <misfit_toy> Eleaf, but you can skip checkinstall most times.
[03:17] <Eleaf> kinda like a binary that works with all distributions.. I don't know
[03:17] <Eleaf> misfit_toy, I alsmost always use checkinstall.
[03:17] <misfit_toy> up to you
[03:17] <instabin> RAOF: im trying to install the restricted drivers
[03:17] <Eleaf> I hate installing source packages without making a deb.
[03:17] <Eleaf> misfit_toy, why would it not work?
[03:18] <xtknight> checkinstall doesnt always track everything correctly
[03:18] <RAOF> instabin: Remove that "nv".  Your l-r-m-c file should have DISABLED_MODULES="" at the bottom of it.
[03:18] <RAOF> Eleaf: Oh, *autopackage*.  That shouldn't be in the repos because it doesn't have to be.
[03:18] <RAOF> Eleaf: The *whole point* of autopackage is that you don't use the package manager.
[03:19] <Eleaf> RAOF, isn't there a way to uninstall things when you run an autopackage program?
[03:19] <misfit_toy> Eleaf make -uninstall
[03:19] <instabin> RAOF: its rebooting now
[03:19] <Eleaf> whenever I'm running this .package program, it says it needs to download autopackage.tar.gz
[03:19] <Eleaf> misfit_toy, I don't always keep the same source dir.
[03:19] <Eleaf> that's a horrible method.
[03:19] <RAOF> Eleaf: Yes, which is what it's supposed to do.
[03:19] <Eleaf> oh okay RAOF
[03:20] <Eleaf> misfit_toy, often times, programs don't include uninstall makefiles.
[03:20] <Eleaf> RAOF, how do I uninstall the package?
[03:20] <misfit_toy> Eleaf, I guess you install more things than I do.
[03:21] <Eleaf> misfit_toy, it's bad, because it won't update as things in the repos change, or as dependencies change, etc.
[03:21] <snowpunk98> I need to make a file not writable how should I chmod it?
[03:21] <instabin> RAOF: Now i have same error but different version number
[03:21] <RAOF> Eleaf: I don't know.  I don't use autopackages.
[03:21] <Eleaf> lol
[03:22] <RAOF> instabin: Ok.  install the "linux-generic" and "nvidia-glx-new" packages.  Then restart again.
[03:22] <Eleaf> like it's sprawling stuff all over my ~ dir RAOF
[03:22] <Eleaf> (installing the program all over).
[03:22] <instabin> RAOF: they are allready installed
[03:22] <RAOF> Well, that'll be a user-only install.  That's cool.
[03:22] <Eleaf> and if it was root, would probably put stuff all in /usr, /etc, etc.
[03:22] <instabin> where are the modules at
[03:22] <Eleaf> There has to be a way to uninstall all that, if autopackage is to be worth anything.
[03:23] <instabin> well stored at ?
[03:23] <RAOF> Eleaf: Yes, probably.  Autopackage is kinda broken by design, though.  It's got an uninstall as far as I know.
[03:23] <cabajgtr_> Does anyone know if Nvidia-glx-legacy supports TV out?
[03:23] <Eleaf> google search says there is an autopackage command...
[03:23] <Eleaf> but ubuntu doesn't have it.
[03:23] <RAOF> cabajgtr: I believe so.
[03:23] <Eleaf> oh now it does.
[03:23] <RAOF> Eleaf: After you've installed an autopackage, it installs the autopackage stuff.
[03:24] <Eleaf> I'm guessing just for my user?
[03:24] <Eleaf> yep
[03:25] <RAOF> instabin: What was the actual error message again?  Also, are you *sure* that the nvidia-glx-new package is installed?
[03:26] <instabin> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7184, but this X module has the version 1.0-9631
[03:27] <misfit_toy> instabin, I kept having that and had to remove nvidia* just to get things clean.
[03:27] <misfit_toy> after an upgrade from edgy to feisty
[03:28] <RAOF> instabin: You don't have the nvidia-glx-new package installed.
[03:28] <RAOF> instabin: As misfit_toy says, try removing all the nvidia* packages, try an uninstall of the nvidia.com drivers you're previously installed, *then* install the nvidia-glx-new package.
[03:29] <patrick_> Hi guys I just fresh installed ubuntu edgy amd64 and I want to perform an upgrade to feisty.... how must this be done
[03:29] <RAOF> !upgrade | patrick_
[03:29] <ubotu> patrick_: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:30] <RAOF> instabin: Incidentally, you're problems here are why it is *strongly* adviced to just use the nvidia-glx packaged drivers :)
[03:30] <misfit_toy> instabin, and if that doesn't take, you might also even remove the latest kernel and LRM, boot back to a previous kernel and reinstall the newer kernel again...I swear I fought it for a week, but his is an old old nvidia card and the driver changed right in the middle of all my troubles, LOL
[03:31] <EdsipeR> is there any changes between 7.04-server beta and 7.04-server official ?
[03:31] <NickGarvey> EdsipeR: I sure hope so
[03:31] <misfit_toy> heh
[03:31] <NickGarvey> EdsipeR: unless the beta was perfect, which it wasn't
[03:31] <EdsipeR> NickGarvey, where can I get the changelog ?
[03:31] <NickGarvey> phew, said that right before beta came in! wouldn't want to hurt its feelings
[03:31] <Fylk> hey, guys, can any one help me install this: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29142704/
[03:31] <instabin> misfit_toy: removing the kernel modules manualy and then going to reinstall the linux-restricted-modules
[03:31] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I open a "NEw login in a nested window" Like I could in GNOME on FreeBSD?
[03:32] <instabin> shit how do uninstall a package from the console
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> instabin, no cursing.... sudo apt-get remove package
[03:32] <misfit_toy> instabin, sudo apt-get remove packagename
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> +p
[03:33] <cabajgtr_> Ok, I am totally stuck with with X on my Nvidia GeForce2 Go!.  I've tried every nvidia package and tried to use the nvidia installer for 8776, and nothing works.
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> nvidia-glx does not work?
[03:34] <RAOF> cabajgtr_: :(  THe nvidia.com installer is never the solution :(.  The nvidia-glx package should work for your card.
[03:34] <cabajgtr_> All i'm getting right now with legacy is "Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[03:34] <instabin> sry and thanks
[03:34] <cabajgtr_> I know, I had the nvidia-glx workin on edgy last week
[03:34] <misfit_toy> caba, "uname -r" in a term please
[03:35] <RAOF> cabajgtr_: Do you have the appropriate "linux-restricted-modules" package installed?
[03:35] <Fylk> How do I get premission to get into my /usr/share/pixmaps directory?
[03:35] <cabajgtr_> 2.6.20-15-386
[03:35] <RAOF> cabajgtr_: Or, even better, just install the "linux-generic" package, which will automatically install the right l-r-m
[03:35] <misfit_toy> cabajgtr, do what RAOF says
[03:36] <Fylk> Hey guys, why won't it let me write to /usr/share/pixmaps?
[03:36] <RAOF> Fylk: Becuase you're not root.  Why do you want to write to /usr/share/pixmaps?
[03:36] <Fylk> Just some new icons. And how do I get root?
[03:37] <Fylk> I am the only user on this install.
[03:37] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I open a new login window in a nested window on my laptop?
[03:37] <RAOF> Fylk: Prepend "sudo" to the command you're trying.  Also, where are the icons from?  Are you sure they're not already packaged, for example?
[03:38] <cabajgtr_> Shaddox do you mean in a terminal?
[03:38] <Fylk> ROAF, here's a link: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29142704/
[03:38] <Fylk> *RAOF
[03:40] <Shaddox> cabajgtr_: No, back when I was on FreeBSD, and logged into GNOME 2.18, there was a option in the Applications area that said "New login in a nested window..." And a new x window would pop up  on my existing desktop and I could log in as a different user or use XDMCP, and the screen would be in the nested window.
[03:40] <cabajgtr_> Ok, so I updated linux-generic, now what?
[03:40] <cabajgtr_> (and rebooted, uname -r 2.6.20-15-386)
[03:41] <RAOF> cabajgtr_: Install nvidia-glx, and reboot into the *generic* kernel.
[03:41] <RAOF> Fylk: "gksudo nautilus" from a terminal will give you a root nautilus window that you can copy stuff into /usr/share/pixmaps
[03:41] <cabajgtr_> is it ok to install it from under 386?
[03:41] <Fylk> NICE
[03:44] <instabin> im getting cant find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic
[03:44] <instabin> with apt-get
[03:44] <instabin> am I typing the wrong package name?
[03:44] <maccam94> hmmmm ubuntu seems to ignore my fstab and mounts my xfs partition as noexec (maybe lvm has something to do with it?)
[03:45] <maccam94> how do I get ubuntu to always mount my xfs partition as exec?
[03:45] <maccam94> (yes, i already set exec in /etc/fstab)
[03:45] <instabin> im getting cant find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic
[03:46] <cabajgtr_> BUmmer, now in Generic, I have an API mismatch, Kernel module is ver 7184, driver is 9631
[03:47] <maccam94> cabajgtr, you need to reinstall nvidia-kernel-source(s?)
[03:48] <cabajgtr_> im using binaries
[03:52] <cabajgtr_> maccam94, I shouldn't need nvidia source if i'm trying to run binaries should i?
[03:55] <carthik> Hi - I was wondering if I could use rsync to download the CD image and then use rsync to update it again after release?
[03:55] <cabajgtr> Did something weird happen in here, or did I just lose my connection?
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> netsplit
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> irc thing
[03:56] <cabajgtr> um, ok
[03:56] <cabajgtr> is RAOF still here?
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> RAOF, you here?
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> =D
[03:57] <cabajgtr> =)
[03:58] <cabajgtr> cathik, why would you want to do that?
[03:58] <carthik> cabajgtr: so I have a smaller download on the day it is released?
[03:58] <cabajgtr> slow connection?
[03:58] <carthik> not really, no.
[03:59] <carthik> i dont want to hit the server hard when the image is finally released :)
[03:59] <cabajgtr> Why not just dist-upgrade?
[03:59] <cabajgtr> use bittorrent
[03:59] <carthik> that doesn't answer my question :)
[04:00] <cabajgtr> (sorry, don't know the answer, this was my substitution)
[04:00] <carthik> Thank you, cabajgtr - I appreciate your help.
[04:01] <cabajgtr> I've found the servers incredibly fast lately, I think I dl'd  an edgy image in 35 minutes a couple weeks ago
[04:01] <instabin> think the network just split
[04:01] <carthik> With rsync that would be down to 3 if you just updating the image
[04:02] <carthik> if you are
[04:03] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do i open a new nested login in Ubuntu's version of GNOME?
[04:04] <instabin> ok
[04:04] <instabin> got it fixed
[04:04] <instabin> but i dont under stand something
[04:04] <TuxRox> I can not seem to add commands to the session start-up dialog. Is anyone else seeing this issue?
[04:04] <instabin> how come on the clean install it has nvidia-glx and on the upgrade it has nvidia-glx-new
[04:08] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do i open a new nested login in Ubuntu's version of GNOME?
[04:09] <TuxRox> Shaddox, you might want to check System --> Preferences --> Main Menu under System Tools and make sure New Login is checked off.
[04:10] <Shaddox> TuxRox: Ah, thanks. Now to fix the sound in my linux build of Enemy Territory.
[04:10] <cabajgtr> Instabin, did you get beyond an API error with different versions of Kernel module and driver?
[04:10] <Eleaf> I'm getting a bit of delay in pulseaudio (about 100ms), is there anything I can do about this?
[04:10] <Amaranth> TuxRox: it won't tick in alacarte
[04:10] <Amaranth> TuxRox: unless you have xnest installed
[04:11] <Eleaf> For instance, flash videos play for a tiny bit longer after I stop them, and is slightly out of sync.
[04:11] <Eleaf> (maybe it's just flash, but it seems like there is some definete lag)
[04:14] <bur[n] er> anyone use rainlendar?
[04:14] <jarrett> so 7.04 is tomorrow?
[04:14] <ferret_0568> What Intel C2D motherboard should I get?
[04:14] <ferret_0568> I want a nice, compatible, and stable one
[04:15] <ferret_0568> I'm sick of this Dell Latitude C840 laptop I have
[04:15] <mon^rch> can I have it then?
[04:15] <ferret_0568> No
[04:15] <EdsipeR> where can I get the latest server edition ?
[04:15] <ferret_0568> \\\///
[04:16] <bur[n] er> EdsipeR: define latest
[04:16] <EdsipeR> bur[n] er, latest ubuntu >= 7.04 available
[04:17] <bur[n] er> > 7.04?!?!?  7.04 isn't released until the 19th
[04:17] <EdsipeR> 7.04 "beta" is out
[04:17] <bur[n] er> EdsipeR: you can get the latest beta... or get 6.10... or get a nightly... or even an hourly
[04:18] <ferret_0568> EdsipeR the beta is very stable
[04:18] <ferret_0568> I suggest a upgrade
[04:18] <EdsipeR> well, I have to install another server tomorrow and I would like to know where can I get a newest version than 7.04 beta
[04:18] <cabajgtr> Can anyone help me with Nvidia API mismatch, I've got an old kernel module sticking around, with a new nvidia-glx driver
[04:18] <bur[n] er> EdsipeR: just get the beta and apt-get update && upgrade
[04:18] <EdsipeR> thanks
[04:18] <EdsipeR> that's all :)
[04:18] <bur[n] er> EdsipeR: if it's a server... don't get feisty
[04:19] <EdsipeR> I have installed beta and works very good
[04:19] <bur[n] er> EdsipeR: I'd suggest edgy
[04:20] <mon^rch> what package is the one that gives the Gl Desktop in the system prefs menu?
[04:25] <meal3837> hdparm is returning 1380MB/s on my sata II drive . . . should I be able to get this faster?
[04:25] <meal3837> cached reads
[04:26] <misfit_toy> edgy makes a *great* server
[04:26] <meal3837> i wish i hda a use for a server
[04:31] <wehttamb> does the migration assistant in 7.04 copy the user settings if you are installing ubuntu to the whole drive or only if you are installing it next to windows
[04:31] <Hohlraum> anyone else seeing the codec install launch from totem acting crazy?
[04:31] <Beta> What is the terminal command to open a root window?
[04:31] <Beta> gt(something) natalius
[04:31] <meal3837> Beta: root window?
[04:32] <Beta> A window in which you have root access.
[04:32] <meal3837> Beta: I think you can just sudo it . . . at least that's how i get root gedits
[04:32] <meal3837> i.e. sudo gedit <doc>
[04:32] <Beta> Ok.
[04:32] <meal3837> idk if that's the proper way, though
[04:33] <leal> hello
[04:33] <meal3837> hi
[04:33] <wehttamb> does the migration assistant in 7.04 copy the user settings if you are installing ubuntu to the whole drive or only if you are installing it next to windows
[04:33] <meal3837> idk
[04:33] <Jordan_U> wehttamb, Either way
[04:33] <wehttamb> ok thx
[04:34] <leal> how can i update my initrd on ubuntu?
[04:34] <leal> i did a upgrade to feisty, but i'm still using the old kernel because the new initrd is not working.
[04:34] <Jordan_U> leal, How did you upgrade
[04:34] <Jordan_U> ?
[04:35] <cabajgtr> Can anyone help me with Nvidia API mismatch, I've got an old kernel module sticking around, with a new nvidia-glx driver
[04:35] <leal> update-manager
[04:35] <Shaddox> Hello everyone. What is the command to open a new login in a nested window/
[04:35] <leal> Jordan_U: everything did work great.
[04:36] <leal> Jordan_U: any tips?
[04:36] <ratshell> Hi all
[04:37] <Jordan_U> leal, Only to file a bug report and try any updates that come
[04:37] <leal> Jordan_U: but must have a way to fix that?
[04:38] <ratshell> Could I ask a random question real quick may sound odd... Could yall tell me why you like linux over XP?
[04:38] <noname`> Ahh keeps setting off my highlight :)
[04:38] <transgress_> ratshell you know how they say there is no dumb question?
[04:38] <ratshell> lol
[04:38] <transgress_> ratshell: they lied.  and that's a question that can light a fire up under some people
[04:39] <ratshell> Welll I just want to know why yall like it over Windows. That is all.
[04:39] <ratshell> Okay fine, change of question. Anyone here try Cedega 6.0 yet?
[04:39] <cabajgtr> ratshell, because its like an ugly version of a mac
[04:39] <jarrett> anyone know how to remove all but the current kernel?
[04:39] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game.
[04:39] <goose> is there any word on this metacity bug?
[04:39] <goose> metacity just randomly fails to start for me
[04:39] <goose> not sure why
[04:40] <transgress_> did you file a bug report?
[04:40] <goose> there are already 3 ppl with the same problem when i googled it =)
[04:40] <goose> i didn't feel motivated to register and file a bug report
[04:40] <leal> what the filesystem that ubuntu use in initrd files??
[04:40] <transgress_> well those people... did they file a bug report
[04:40] <goose> yep they did
[04:41] <leal> i could not mount it.
[04:41] <transgress_> for future reference it's a bad idea to run beta software if you don't file bug reports
[04:41] <goose> =D
[04:41] <transgress_> you couldn't mount an initrd file?
[04:41] <leal> transgress_: yeah
[04:41] <corevette> what files in synaptic do i need to let apache open my php files???
[04:42] <leal> transgress_: i need to update the kernel to 2.6.20 to use my nvidia card... but the initrd is broken.
[04:42] <leal> transgress_: do you know what the ubuntu procedure to do that?
[04:42] <leal> or how can i mount it?
[04:42] <misfit_toy> jarrett, use synaptic, but leave the kernel before there, you never know when you'll need it.
[04:42] <leal> i just tryied: mount -oloop -tramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-386 /initrd/
[04:42] <leal> but did not work.
[04:43] <Shootfast> hey guys, is anyone here able to help me create a new initrd image on a non booting system?
[04:43] <DarkMageZ> corevette, i believe you need linapache2-mod-php5
[04:43] <leal> Somebody????
[04:43] <corevette> darkmagez: i have it...here's what i get: 75.35.108.164
[04:43] <leal> Shootfast: i'm having the same problem here.
[04:43] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game.
[04:43] <Shootfast> leal, whats your motherboard?
[04:44] <leal> Shootfast: intel 865
[04:44] <Shootfast> leal: Im trying on an XPC Shuttle, same mobo
[04:45] <leal> Shootfast: do you know the ubuntu procedure to create a initrd?
[04:45] <DarkMageZ> corevette, i'm not getting a responce from that ip...
[04:45] <leal> Shootfast: i use to mount and create the files by hand... but i can't do that in ubuntu...
[04:45] <Shootfast> yeah but it didnt work, someone suggested I try YAIRD, but i cant use that on the live cd as it cant mount the filesystem :S
[04:46] <leal> YAIRD?
[04:46] <Shootfast> its a debian tool for generating initrd files that more closely match your system
[04:46] <leal> Shootfast: ok.
[04:47] <goose> so do i have to stick metacity in .Xsession   ?
[04:48] <diabolix> i have a couple of questions.. if i tell my gf to install feisty this weekend, will it automagically install the official nvidia driver?
[04:48] <Shootfast> diabolix: hopefully
[04:48] <stdin> diabolix: not automatically
[04:48] <stdin> diabolix: but it's an easy install
[04:48] <diabolix> ok..
[04:49] <diabolix> and what about mp3s and videos, are all those crazy codec issues cleared up?
[04:49] <Shootfast> diabolix: doesnt it tell you that the device you have has a propriatary driver and ask if you want it?
[04:49] <stdin> diabolix: mp3 codes installs when you try to play an mp3 file
[04:49] <diabolix> Shootfast, i want to wait till the official release, haven't tried yet.
[04:49] <Shootfast> i see
[04:49] <diabolix> how about video codecs? dvdcss?
[04:49] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game.
[04:49] <diabolix> stuff like that?
[04:50] <stdin> diabolix: that can't be installed by default
[04:50] <stdin> diabolix: it's not legal in some places
[04:50] <Shootfast> dvdcss is never installed by default as its illegal in the us
[04:50] <goose> diabolix: don't install feisty
[04:50] <stdin> diabolix: again, easy install tho
[04:50] <goose> it's got problems :|
[04:50] <Shootfast> goose: no it doesnt.... whats wrong?
[04:50] <goose> there's a metacity bug that randomly prevents it from starting
[04:50] <Shootfast> thats why i use kde :D
[04:51] <goose> i logged a few minutes ago and had no window decorations
[04:51] <goose> :O
[04:51] <atselby> can anyone tell me why windows are automatically set to display in every workspace and how i can change that? i cant find a setting.
[04:51] <wehttamb> is dvd css illegal in australia
[04:51] <goose> Shootfast: kubuntu?
[04:51] <goose> or kde package from ubuntu?
[04:51] <Shootfast> wehttamb: I dunno but i use it here anyways :P
[04:51] <Shootfast> kubuntu
[04:52] <wehttamb> shootfast: yea i do as well
[04:52] <DarkMageZ> Shaddox, what is hapening with the sound in the q3a engine?
[04:52] <diabolix> compiz is easy to setup now.. isn't it?
[04:52] <goose> brb
[04:52] <AngryElf> I think, since I upgraded to BETA i'm lirc + mplayer + volume up/down, instead of altering the volume, spout a alsa-control error and "mute" the volume instead -- however, it's not a real mute since normal mute control doesn't unmute it....any ideas?
[04:52] <Shootfast> diabolix: in fact, its installed by default
[04:53] <Shootfast> diabolix: you just click system>>>preferences>>>Desktop Effects and enable
[04:53] <diabolix> i'm wondering if i should tell her to use ubuntu or kubuntu...
[04:53] <Shootfast> kubuntu ftw :P
[04:53] <stdin> diabolix: kubuntu, always :)
[04:54] <diabolix> i just decided to try ubuntu on my laptop, i must admit i am impressed. i almost shat myself when hibernation and sleeping worked.
[04:54] <diabolix> and wireless.
[04:54] <Shootfast> lol
[04:54] <Shootfast> in feisty WPA is enabled by default too
[04:54] <diabolix> snap.. i'm upgrading.
[04:54] <diabolix> has anyone tried the "windows migration assistant"?
[04:55] <wehttamb> diabolix: i want to but dont have windows to test it on
[04:56] <Shootfast> windows?
[04:56] <diabolix> is it just for firefox settings or does it do files and mp3s?
[04:56] <wehttamb> i think it does documents
[04:56] <wehttamb> and wallpaper to
[04:56] <bullgard4> Is there an instruction for use or 'official' overview of gnome-volume-manager in English? I did google but could not find one.
[04:57] <diabolix> she's running xp, and just got a virus, and she said "alright damnit, install that linux thingy your always using"
[04:57] <diabolix> she decided she can live without the sims.
[04:58] <diabolix> in kubuntu, amarok is default media player.. right?
[04:59] <Dr_willis> yep
[04:59] <Dr_willis> default song player.
[04:59] <Dr_willis> not video. (not sure it can do video) heh
[04:59] <Endler> Microsoft will be in big trouble if the game studios ever start doing Linux versions.  That's really the only advantage Windows has for home use.
[04:59] <diabolix> i did not know that...
[04:59] <Shootfast> bullgard4: just right click and click help
[05:00] <stdin> amarok can't (not yet)
[05:00] <diabolix> so.. is anyone in here a windows migrant?
[05:00] <Dr_willis> i perfer vlc and xine for videos :)
[05:00] <Shootfast> diabolix: me
[05:00] <Shootfast> mplayer ftw
[05:00] <diabolix> and you prefer kubuntu?
[05:00] <Shootfast> diabolix: only coz gnome annoys me
[05:01] <wehttamb> i am a windows migrant but i didnt use the migration assistant
[05:01] <bullgard4> Shootfast: Where should I right-click on?
[05:01] <diabolix> i used to be a fluxbox guy, but gnome provides such a consistent expirience, i'm actually enjoying it.
[05:01] <Shootfast> bullgard4: right click on the volume icon in the top right corner and then choose help
[05:01] <diabolix> its almost like using a mac.
[05:01] <Dr_willis> diabolix,  only in a GOOD way. :)
[05:02] <Shootfast> kde is so much easier to customize though, gnome baby sits you through everything
[05:02] <diabolix> yeah. like a mac that doesn't make me look like an artistic hippy.
[05:03] <Shootfast> mac annoys me too....
[05:03] <diabolix> true that.. about kde.
[05:03] <Shootfast> too much bouncing and dragging
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Im tempted to get one of those mac-minis for my next linux box. :) wonder about those mac-tv's
[05:03] <RAOF> Shootfast: I like to *use* my computer, not spend hours hunting through the crazily presented "kitchen sink" options to find the switch I'm after :P
[05:03] <Shootfast> or download osx86
[05:03] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, "apple-tv" ? that new device thingy?
[05:04] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  yea - seen some articals on them.
[05:04] <Shootfast> then you must hate gnome
[05:04] <misfit_toy> yeah, me too Dr_willis
[05:04] <Endler> The thing I don't like about gnome is they why they take all your options away and decided for you the "one and only best way to do everything" so as not to confuse the user's little brain.  If they's shitcan all their "usability studies" I'd be fine with it, 'cause I like some of the aps.
[05:04] <diabolix> you know.. when she saw me using kde at work (i have to use suse) she got really excited about the bouncing startup notification.. i think i will install kde.
[05:04] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  they would be a neat mythtv front end box. :)
[05:04] <diabolix> kubuntu
[05:04] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, zackly
[05:04] <Dr_willis> but for the $$ not sure if ya could build a mini-itx system for about the same.
[05:04] <Shootfast> put beryl on and she'll be yours forever
[05:04] <diabolix> kubuntu is being released the same time as ubuntu.. correct?
[05:05] <Shootfast> yes, but it wont get the latest KDE until later in the year i think
[05:05] <diabolix> Shootfast, she already fell in love with beryl when i booted sabayon.
[05:05] <diabolix> latest as in 4.0?
[05:05] <Endler> Sorry about all the typos.
[05:05] <Shootfast> yeah
[05:06] <diabolix> so.. kubuntu runs well with 512 ram?
[05:06] <Endler> Well, Ubuntu releases are timed to snyc with gnome releases, so it's always going to work out better timing-wise for ubuntu than kubuntu.
[05:06] <Shootfast> diabolix: well i have 2gb... but it should run ok
[05:08] <diabolix> hmm.. maybe i will give her gnome.. i can always just download both and let he try the live versions of each.
[05:08] <Endler> Is it official that the RC is going to be skipped and the final released on Thursday?
[05:08] <diabolix> Shaddox, reinstall the kernel?
[05:08] <diabolix> Shootfast, ^^
[05:08] <Shootfast> doesnt work
[05:08] <Shaddox> diabolix: I have no idea what that means.
[05:09] <bullgard4> Shootfast: I still do not understand you: The icon in the top right corner is the windows selector. When pressing on it, Yelp will open and tell me something about 'Windows Selector Applet' but not about gnome-volume-manager
[05:09] <diabolix> oh thats right.. ubuntu makes initrd at install time..
[05:09] <Shootfast> bullgard4: can you see the volume icon in the top right? right click that
[05:09] <Dr_willis> diabolix,  you can install gnome, and kde, and xfce all on the same box and just try them all :)
[05:09] <bullgard4> Shootfast: How does it look like?
[05:10] <Shootfast> bullgard4: like a speaker with sound waves comming out
[05:10] <bullgard4> Shootfast: Yes! Excuse me. I've found it. I'll press on it.
[05:10] <diabolix> Dr_willis, yeah.. but she kind of needs some simplicity.
[05:10] <Shootfast> bullgard4: cool
[05:11] <diabolix> shell end up getting confused.
[05:11] <Shootfast> diabolix: give her a command prompt, nothing simpler
[05:11] <diabolix> she knows how to connect to a wifi network on my slackware box using nothing but cli, i wouldn't put it past her.
[05:12] <misfit_toy> because all women know about their cli
[05:12] <Dr_willis> when in doubt - educate.
[05:12] <diabolix> its not that she's too dumb to use linux, its that shell get frustraited if it takes too much time.
[05:12] <Shootfast> zing
[05:12] <diabolix> wich is completely understandable. i was a slackware user for a long time, but edgy converted me. even tho i still get angry that headers aren't installed by default.
[05:13] <misfit_toy> diabolix, my wife's new laptop has freaking vista on it, and she wants *me* to help her, hell, it looks like kde to me.
[05:13] <Shootfast> i'm trying to get into slackware, but i just havnt had the time recently
[05:13] <RAOF> Shootfast: If you can't boot, fire up a LiveCD (or, better yet, an AlternateCD - it's got a "repair existing instalation"), chroot into your existing system and then fix it.)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> heh.. 'come show me how to use this program honey, that you have NEVER seen befor! and be quick about it!'
[05:13] <Endler> I don't understand why so many people just use the default desktops arrangements, and use two bars with menus on top in gnome and single bar on bottom for KDE.  Sheesh.  That's just each's default, not a reason to pick one or the other.  It takes all of a few minutes to customize ether one to whatever layout you like.  Most people sure aren't very adventurous!
[05:14] <diabolix> slackware is nice. i use it on my desktop, but i would never want to take the time to set up a laptop in slackware again.
[05:14] <Shootfast> ROAF: thanks man, where abouts is repair existing installation?
[05:14] <Jordan_U> Does Feisty use devicescape ?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> i wish more of the disrtos would use the default/vanilla Kde or gnome setuop. that way all the different distros would be easier to  learn. :) well learn the basics of the desktop i guess.
[05:15] <diabolix> like slackware.. doesn't even ship with a slackware icon or splash screen, everything is vanilla.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Moving the wife from a Mandrake, to a ubuntu box.. shouldnt mean she needs to relearn where all the kde/gnome/whatever icons are now at.
[05:15] <crimsun> Jordan_U: for as much as possible, yes.
[05:15] <bullgard4> Shootfast: The icon shaped as a loudspeaker symbol according to Synaptic Synaptic: "enables you to control the sound volume on your system." But I did ask for a description of gnome-volume-manager. gnome-volume-manager has a different function: It allows to set settings of removable media.
[05:15] <crimsun> Jordan_U: GIT-SHA 4d0fb64df98a9e21644525615df34ab2056eb569
[05:16] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Does that mean that it uses the new broadcom drivers that I have heard are much better?
[05:16] <RAOF> Shootfast: If you boot from the AlternateCD, there's a boot option "repair existing..." which will boot up, then ask you which partition you'd like to chroot into.  From there, you just want to do whatever to fix your system (probably just an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade)
[05:16] <diabolix> what kernel does feisty ship with?
[05:16] <crimsun> Jordan_U: no. It has been merged but likely won't appear until a post-release feisty-updates kernel upload.
[05:16] <Shootfast> thats awesome, thanks alot RAOF
[05:16] <crimsun> diabolix: 2.6.20.point release + patches
[05:17] <bullgard4> diabolix: 2.6.20-15-generic usually.
[05:17] <Jordan_U> crimsun, So would something like that actually added after release or would it just be in backports / Gutsy?
[05:17] <diabolix> does anyone happen to know if the rtl818x wireless driver made it in again? its in edgy, and i need it for my laptop.
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> that is a ralink chipset is it not?
[05:18] <Endler> I prefer distro don't do too much customizing of the layout either, because I do it myself anyway, and it's quicker starting from a more standard base.  I especially don't like the way Kubuntu screws around with Konqueror and tries to dumb it down.
[05:18] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, yeah.
[05:18] <Shootfast> well guys gotta go, great talking to you all, thanks for the help
[05:18] <crimsun> Jordan_U: you might want to reread what I typed. :)
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> diabolix, i would think it is in the packages...
[05:18] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I get sound working in Enemy Territory?
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> but looking might help
[05:19] <Jordan_U> crimsun, No, I just don't understand what you typed :)
[05:19] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, it shiped with an edgy kernel update that nobody seems to know about.
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> Shaddox, alsamixer in a console to see what is muted
[05:19] <diabolix> where would i be able to find that information?
[05:19] <Shaddox> The windows version in WINE works, but the linux build has no sound.
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> diabolix, open a terminal and type that command as user
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. darn clock is showing time in 24 hr format still..
[05:20] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: What is all this?
[05:20] <crimsun> Jordan_U: the new bcm43xx driver has been merged in our feisty fit tree. It will not be available in the feisty release. It /may/ ship as in a feisty-updates kernel upload.
[05:20] <crimsun> Jordan_U: feisty fit -> feisty git
[05:21] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, mine did that for 2 days after upgrading from edgy then one day fixed itself.
[05:21] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, what comand?
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> alsamixer
[05:21] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  heh - i never upgraded.. clean install..
[05:21] <Jordan_U> crimsun, What is Feisty-updates exactly?
[05:21] <crimsun> Jordan_U: updates for feisty.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  i still think the clock should DEFAULT to 12hr/am/pm format. :)
[05:21] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, its not a sound card, its a wireless card.
[05:21] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: I opened alsamixer, but have no idea what any of this is. ^^
[05:21] <Dr_willis> 'for people' heh heh
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> oh, ... thought you asked about sound
[05:21] <Jordan_U> crimsun, So it will be available in an update?
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> sorry that was Shaddox
[05:22] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, me too, but I have coworkers that would disagree, weird.
[05:22] <crimsun> Jordan_U: if feisty-updates is a repository containing updates for feisty...
[05:22] <diabolix> no. i was wandering if the rtl818x wifi driver made its way into feisty.
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> Shaddox, use cursor keys to navigate around and raise levels ... anything with MM is muted
[05:22] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: What is supposed to be unmuted for a game that uses the OSS sound codec to work?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  well the ubuntu mantra is linux for 'people' :)  of course i think the clock 'should' see that you changed the time format and auto-change to it.. not have to be restarted (in kde at least)  not sur eif gnome does it that way or not
[05:22] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Please try not to be condescending
[05:22] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: I installed alsa-oss and use the "aoss et" command to launch my game.
[05:23] <crimsun> Jordan_U: I'm not
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> ah
[05:23] <crimsun> Jordan_U: I've explain it three times; I'm not sure if it can be any clearer
[05:23] <Endler> Are Epson's Avasys gpl'd drivers every going to make it in?
[05:23] <crimsun> explained, even
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> well i guess i was on the right track
[05:23] <Endler> ever
[05:23] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: I unmuted everything, still no sound.
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> and raised levels up?
[05:23] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, in gnome the time change thing occurs realtime when you change it.
[05:24] <AngryElf> anyon ehere using lirc + mplayer?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  yea. :)  of course I have a clock on the wall.. so why do i need one in the taskbar.
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> Shaddox, if you are typing that command, i think a "-d" will do debug
[05:24] <crimsun> Shaddox: aoss rarely works with quake3-based games.
[05:24] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, heh
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> wait, do you have another player running... amarok?
[05:24] <diabolix> can someone running feisty do "modprobe r818x" and tell me if the module is found?
[05:24] <stdin> misfit_toy: tried keytouch ?
[05:24] <crimsun> Shaddox: it's caused by the particular method in which the audio engine handles buffering
[05:25] <misfit_toy> stdin, uh uh
[05:25] <diabolix> i won't upgrade if my wireless driver isn't in it.
[05:25] <misfit_toy> stdin, aptable?
[05:25] <stdin> !keytouch
[05:25] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[05:25] <stdin> !info keytouch
[05:25] <Dr_willis> willis@kubuntu:/media$ locate r818x
[05:25] <Dr_willis> /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/ubuntu/wireless/rtl818x/r818x.ko
[05:25] <ubotu> keytouch: A program to configure the extra function keys of the keyboard. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.99+2.3.0beta4-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 419 kB, installed size 1888 kB
[05:25] <Shaddox> crimsun: Then how do I get my sound working?
[05:25] <crimsun> Shaddox: you're better off just using alsa's oss emulation by itself
[05:25] <stdin> misfit_toy: yeah
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> not found diabolix ....
[05:25] <cabajgtr> RAOF, if you're back, I'm still having trouble with my NVIDIA-GLX, now I have api mismatch, an old Kernel-module
[05:25] <diabolix> damn...
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[05:25] <crimsun> Shaddox: well, it largely depends if your sound hardware supports mmap
[05:25] <diabolix> *sniffle(
[05:25] <misfit_toy> stdin, I have been looking for a while for something like that as the gnome shortcuts don't work in feisty, at least not all of them, let me give it a shot.
[05:25] <Shaddox> crimsun: How do I find out?
[05:26] <crimsun> Shaddox: do you get any errors about mmap when you start ET?
[05:26] <Shaddox> crimsun: I get no errors, the game starts up and runs well, except for the fact that there's no sound at all anymore. ^^
[05:26] <stdin> misfit_toy: you can use keytouch-editor to assign function to the keys too (for ones that aren't working with keytouch), it's how I got mine working
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> diabolix, is that a pcmcia card or what?
[05:26] <Jordan_U> crimsun, I asked if it was gong to be added in an update because I thought that packages were frozen and that only bug fixes were released after Feisty is Final, you have not made it clear weather Fesity-updates is a repository similar to backports or if you are just referring to normal updates to main.
[05:26] <cabajgtr> Anybody been able to clear out old nvidia kernel module, to get a new one installed?
[05:27] <misfit_toy> stdin, very cool, going to play with it now, thank you!
[05:27] <philip> torrent for the warez pre-release 0-day OEM version of feisty, anyone?
[05:27] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, its a minipci.
[05:27] <philip> forgot, RTM too
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> ah
[05:27] <Dr_willis> warez>
[05:27] <diabolix> i might have to use ndiswrapper.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> heh.
[05:27] <Shaddox> philip: I wouldn't trust it. If they haven't released it officially, it's most likely not going to work, or is some form of spyware/adware.
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> diabolix, well in that case, could you not just order a nice intel one for about $22 US?
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> just a thought
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> that is what i have in my other laptop
[05:28] <Dr_willis> im using the beta.. when its officially released.. apt-get update/upgrade.. and poof its there. :)
[05:28] <Endler> It's good timing for the Windows migration utility.  Just about now a lot of people are finding they can't, or just don't want to upgrade to Vista.  Exactly how much does it migrate beyond browser bookmarks?
[05:28] <crimsun> Jordan_U: the packages are frozen. Updates are not restricted to bugfixes; it depends how invasive - and on the magnitude - of the changes. feisty-updates is for small, non-invasive fixes. feisty-backports is not restricted to small bugfixes. Only feisty-updates is supported. feisty-backports is completely your problem if it hoses something.
[05:28] <diabolix> its built in to my laptop, the bios won't boot if i replace it.
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> but looks like tons of folks have crashes witht hat card
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> wyat?
[05:28] <Shaddox> crimsun: The game starts fine, just no sound.
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> minipci is plugin
[05:28] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Thank you
[05:28] <Shaddox> crimsun: I don't even get ping errors, which is unusual.
[05:28] <philip> Dr_willis, I'm on feisty here since Jan too, too many settings not working right now, I need a fresh install
[05:28] <fulat2k> hi folks, where's the checkbox to enable compiz in feisty?
[05:29] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, right. but my bios shits on me when i swap it out.
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> thats nuts..this dell boots with it... and its not a dell part... weird..
[05:29] <diabolix> thats actually common in laptops.
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> i understand
[05:29] <philip> by the way, is the network-manager work out of the box now? mine is still broken
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> too bad though... cause i have a ralink card in my server wireless media box
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> oh well, back to debian for that box
[05:30] <diabolix> eh.. i can't complain about a laptop that was $400 US when new.
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> true
[05:30] <diabolix> and i got everything to work in linux.. so.. not a bad buy.
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> mine was gift... old hand-me-down that i had to hack to get soundworking..
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu is nice on it
[05:31] <diabolix> mine will be fine until dell starts shipping with ubuntu preinstalled
[05:31] <diabolix> ubuntu is just plain nice..
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> diabolix, wait
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> it is in feisty
[05:31] <Shaddox> yeah my only problem is my Q3 engine sound X_x
[05:31] <diabolix> oh rly?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> dang...wrong terminal
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> i had my mythtv term open by mistake
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> loaded up sweet... dmesg reports all is well
[05:32] <diabolix> sweet. now i will upgrade. i just need to back up my mp3s. i've been meaning to put them all on my ps3 anyways.
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> heh
[05:32] <philip> should I just grab the 4-15 image or just wait til the 19th?
[05:32] <Endler> notebooks actually make good home linux servers when they get old, because they don't impact the electricity bill much, the slowness of notebook hard drives doesn't really matter much for a home server.
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> wait
[05:32] <diabolix> and my ps3 lets my get them back off of it. thats awsome to me.
[05:32] <diabolix> wait for what?
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> oh, that was for philip
[05:33] <diabolix> ok.
[05:33] <diabolix> good. now i will upgrade.
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> no, looks like loads good
[05:33] <bullgard4> Is there an instruction for use or summarizing overview of gnome-volume-manager? I did google but could not find one.
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> using the .15 kernel
[05:33] <Endler> They make especially good servers when the screen dies and they are useless for anything else :)
[05:33] <diabolix> 2.6.20.15?
[05:33] <|Pollywog|> I am having trouble with nvidia riva fb, I need to disable it so that I can install nvidia-glx
[05:34] <crimsun> bullgard4: g-v-m manages mass storage and other volumes
[05:34] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, whats uname -r say?
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> that's mine
[05:34] <diabolix> awsome.
[05:34] <diabolix> awsome to the max.
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> =D
[05:34] <philip> can I wipe all directories except /home, then reinstall and /home would be untouched?
[05:34] <bullgard4> crimsun: Where is a more verbose description of it?
[05:34] <bur[n] er> philip: no
[05:34] <diabolix> alright.. off to do homework.
[05:34] <diabolix> thanks all.
[05:35] <bur[n] er> philip: only if /home is a different partition
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> er, all distros I know of wipe directories.... needs to be a separate partition
[05:35] <crimsun> bullgard4: apt-cache show gnome-volume-manager
[05:35] <philip> bur[n] er, if I choose not to reformat it, it should work right?
[05:35] <Endler> It's best if you keep /home as it's own partition--then when you upgrade you can wipe out the whole root partition without worry.
[05:35] <bur[n] er> philip: i don't think so
[05:36] <Jordan_U> philip, I may be wrong but I think that the migration assistant can transfer your home folder, but you should put /home on it's own partition anyway
[05:36] <bur[n] er> Jordan_U: i think you're wrong ;)
[05:36] <bullgard4> crimsun: Thank you.
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> philip, there are issues with settings from gnome, kde that can dork up a new installl... i make a new user copy over data i need... backup to extra hd before starting the install
[05:37] <philip> I never know how much space to allocate for root (everything except /home) so I just leave /home inside root
[05:37] <Pollywog> I need to disable rivafb to get nvidia to work, but editing the kernel .config and recompiling did not do the trick
[05:37] <Endler> + if you load multiple disro into different partitions, you can still have them all use the same /home partition.  Just make sure you choose a different home folder name for each distro.
[05:38] <Pollywog> doesn't commenting out a module and then running 'make oldconfig' work anymore?
[05:38] <crdlb> Pollywog, you have a riva 128?
[05:38] <Pollywog> no I have geforce
[05:38] <Dr_willis> ive had some issues in the past with sharing /home with differnt disrtos.
[05:38] <Pollywog> I need that riva thing disabled
[05:38] <bur[n] er> philip: i have xfce + kde +ubuntu and have partitioned off 10 gigs for /
[05:38] <crdlb> Pollywog, then why are you having a problem with rivafb?
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> philip, good rule of thumb... 6gb for root is ok if you put var in another partition... and 15gb for root if you leave var in root and want to install lots of extra packages
[05:39] <Pollywog> dunno I have never had a problem until now
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> but, ymmv
[05:39] <bur[n] er> why does var matter?
[05:39] <Endler> What issues?  You can have big issues if you try to you the same home folder.  Otherwise, I can't think of any.
[05:39] <philip> /var/www?
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> i have gnome, fluxbox, kde, xfce, blackbox, ... etc all in 15gb for root
[05:39] <Pollywog> I can't compile nvidia drivers
[05:40] <hooray> theres a website where u can dl packages, i forgot the name, anyone know what im talking about?
[05:40] <hooray> shortname
[05:40] <bur[n] er> hooray: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:40] <Pollywog> says failed rivafb sanity check
[05:40] <hooray> a different site than that one
[05:41] <bur[n] er> hooray: cnr?
[05:41] <crdlb> Pollywog, compile?
[05:41] <hooray> i dled deluge from it
[05:41] <Pollywog> I guess I could try to compile a 2.6.17 kernel for feisty
[05:41] <Pollywog> oh wait
[05:41] <hooray> lol not that short
[05:41] <Pollywog> I can't get nvidia to work in feisty let's just put it that way
[05:41] <hooray> i think it has get in the name
[05:42] <crdlb> Pollywog, have you tried nvidia-glx(-new) ?
[05:42] <Pollywog> apt-get install nvidia-glx complains about my kernel
[05:42] <Pollywog> new?
[05:42] <Pollywog> no I have not
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> Pollywog,what kernel do you have?...
[05:42] <philip> I'm thinking they are going to release 4-15 as 4-19 :/ hasn't been updated daily since 4-15
[05:42] <Pollywog> 2.6.20
[05:42] <Pollywog> installed feisty today
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> uname -a
[05:42] <Jordan_U> hooray, "As of Feisty, Deluge is in Ubuntu's universe repository. DO NOT INSTALL THIS VERSION" http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Downloads
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> and updated and rebooted? Pollywog
[05:43] <Pollywog> nomasteryoda: yes
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> !pastebin
[05:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:43] <Pollywog> oh yes that new one seems to be the correct one
[05:43] <Pollywog> thanks people :)
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> post the error to that
[05:44] <hooray> weird thing, deluge isnt in regular synaptic, only in add/remove programs
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:44] <hooray> but i cant use deluge anyways
[05:44] <bur[n] er> hooray: it was recently taken out... check launchpad or something
[05:44] <bur[n] er> hooray: you can't?
[05:44] <crdlb> hooray, what happens if you: sudo apt-get install deluge-torrent ?
[05:45] <hooray> it crashes, im on xfce4, dunno if it install necc dependencies correctly
[05:45] <Pollywog> the feisty script failed due to an error in Samba, but I was unable to report the bug due to a malfunction in the bug reporting system
[05:45] <bur[n] er> hooray:  http://deluge-torrent.org/downloads/deb/  Use that repository :)  it has 0.5
[05:45] <shirish> crdlb: supposedly 0.4 is not anymore in the archives, so you get 0.5 probably
[05:45] <hooray> E: Package deluge-torrent has no installation candidate
[05:45] <Pollywog> my other machine does not have samba so did not experience the same problem
[05:45] <hooray> E: Couldn't find package deluge
[05:46] <Endler> The one problem you can have with sharing a /home partition is that during install, some distros just assume that you want your home folder to be the same as your username, and you need to have a different home folder for each distro.  To be safe, it is best to just choose a different username for each install and let it create that matching home folder.  Then, after install is finished, go back and change the username to the regular
[05:46] <Endler> one you always use. The home folder will remain the same though, so you will end up with the same username for each distro, but a different home folder.
[05:46] <shirish> so download the deb that bur[n] er is doing
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> feisty script for what Pollywog ?
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> ... failures are not an option... =D
[05:47] <Pollywog> nomasteryoda: the upgrade script for edgy
[05:47] <Pollywog> edgy to feisty
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> ah
[05:47] <shirish> guys I am trying to access the changelog in /usr/share/doc/aptoncd/
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> well, that is not smart ... but that is my humble opinion... apt-get update, apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade works for me...
[05:48] <crdlb> Pollywog, you mean the update-manager -d thing?
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> i've learned to love the console
[05:48] <shirish> doing a gedit  /usr/share/doc/aptoncd/changelog.Debian.gz I get a binary file thing? I can't open that file, is there some file through which I can see the binary file in proper way
[05:48] <Pollywog> crdlb: I don't know I used the procedure in the topic, for kubuntu
[05:49] <fqh>  Is kerneljanitors.org available now? I can't access it.
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> now if someone would tell me why my battlestar: beyond the redline game will not work... oh, wait it was as script that installed it .. doh
[05:49] <crdlb> oh kubuntu doesn't have the update-manager
[05:49] <Jordan_U> nomasteryoda, That is NOT the correct way and NOT the same as update-manager, at least in Dapper -> Edgy just dist-upgrading left many people with a very broken install.
[05:49] <Pollywog> worked on one machine that does not run samba but not on the one that has samba
[05:49] <Endler> If you have make sure your main user ID is assigned the same UID in all distros, then you will be able to acces all you data from all your distros easily from home no matter which distro you boot from.
[05:50] <Pollywog> I ddid not use the update-manager
[05:50] <Pollywog> I used the procedure specified for kubuntu that included a python script
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> that is what i've heard, but i ran apt-get update, upgrade,dist... about 4 times... Pollywog might want to run those commands to see if he gets any success... if ubuntu is getting away from debian's roots of apt-get dist-upgrade, maybe it's time to move on
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> sorry, gutsy leaves me wanting debian  ...
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> nn
[05:51] <Jordan_U> nomasteryoda, "Manual command-line upgrade (not recommended)
[05:51] <Jordan_U> Please note - this method is less reliable. If you use this method, you MUST be prepared to fix problems manually, such as packages being unexpectedly removed, apt crashing unexpectedly, etc. Using Update Manager (see above) is likely to be much less problematic. " from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[05:52] <Endler> I installed debian 4.0 on a system just a few days ago, and everything went flawlessly.
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> like i said ... ymmv and imho .. to clairfy my statements...
[05:52] <Endler> It will age quickly though;  that's the problem.
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> been using linux since 1998... and want to help out the best way possible
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> the update will be recommended for most folks
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> manager that is
[05:53] <bur[n] er> nomasteryoda: i'm pretty sure apt isn't going anywhere anytime soon
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> good
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> or whew, i needed that
[05:54] <shirish> guys how I can unzip a .gz without disturbing the archive, it should just extract but leave the .gz alone
[05:54] <crdlb> shirish, gunzip ?
[05:54] <Endler> How much more has Feisty been optimized to make use of Upstart for quick boot times?
[05:55] <crdlb> shirish, or do you mean the opposite?
[05:55] <dystopianray> shirish: zcat blah.gz > blah
[05:55] <dystopianray> Endler: it's still mostly sysv init scripts afaik
[05:56] <dystopianray> shirish: or gunzip -c blah.gz > blah
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> Endler, good...
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> i have all 3 debian dvds .. and am torrent'n them back
[05:56] <shirish> dystopianray: the archive is already there, I just want to extract it without disturbing the archie
[05:57] <dystopianray> shirish: that's what i'm telling you how to do
[05:57] <Endler> Hmm.  I thought they just kind of wanted to get it in there for Edgy, and then get to work on actually implement it next go round.
[05:58] <shirish> ok cool
[05:58] <dystopianray> shirish: both of those commands decompress to stdout and then redirect the output to a new file
[06:00] <shirish> dystopianray: both of the commands somehow don't work, i am in /usr/share/doc/aptoncd & trying to decompress the changelog.Debian.gz without success
[06:00] <shirish> dystopianray: I used the sudo before
[06:01] <dystopianray> shirish: you need to redirect to somewhere you have permission to write to
[06:02] <dystopianray> shirish: if you just want to read the changelog use less, it can read gziped files
[06:02] <dystopianray> shirish: less changelog.Debian.gz
[06:02] <cabajgtr> I have an old NVIDIA kernel 7184 that I cant seem to uninstall, and it is conflicting with nvidia-glx. can someone help?
[06:02] <shirish> dystopianray: I already tried that, it says the file is a binary file
[06:02] <shirish> dystopianray: and then gives an error output
[06:02] <shirish> dystopianray: I mean the gedit gives some error output
[06:02] <dystopianray> shirish: don't use gedit, use less
[06:03] <shirish> dystopianray: using less with changelog.Debian.gz gives me lot of things but no english
[06:04] <dystopianray> shirish: well do $ zcat blah.gz > ~/blah
[06:04] <dystopianray> shirish: and read the result out of your home dir
[06:04] <Pollywog> !pastebin
[06:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:04] <shirish> dystopianray: thanx was able to do that :)
[06:05] <dystopianray> shirish: there must be something wrong with your less, or wrong with how your'e using it, it reads gziped files without issue here
[06:05] <Pollywog> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16193/
[06:05] <shirish> dystopianray: for most of the changelog.Debian.gz it reads without issues, with some there is an issue I haven't understood why I use the same thing
[06:05] <shirish> dystopianray: 'less' I mean
[06:05] <Pollywog> I upgraded my kernel but I am not sure it will boot
[06:06] <crdlb> cabajgtr, you never used the manual installer from nvidia.com ?
[06:06] <shirish> Pollywog: wise words, always have more than one kernel :)
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> Pollywog, it should be a newer kernel than .3
[06:06] <Pollywog> I have more than one
[06:06] <Endler> If you think there is something up with less, why not try most?
[06:06] <crdlb> because less is more :)
[06:06] <Pollywog> .3 seems to be the newest
[06:06] <shirish> nomasteryoda: lol, somehow I have found the 2.6.20-12 to be the most stable one so far atleast on my machine
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> cool
[06:07] <Pollywog> but why are the sources .3 if there is a stock kernel newer than that?
[06:08] <Pollywog> the stock kernel would not run vmware so I had to compile one
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> er, there is a way to do that without compiling kernel....
[06:08] <Endler> Anyone tried virtualbox?
[06:08] <Pollywog> I ran make prepare-all
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> but i'm not sure where i found the solution.... i have vmware workstation here
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:09] <Pollywog> that was not sufficient
[06:09] <Pollywog> okay here goes the reboot.
[06:10] <Pollywog> if it fails I will come back on my laptop
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:16] <shirish> ok guys be back in a while.
[06:25] <tag> has anyone else noticed that save as dialogs like, jerk back and forth?
[06:25] <tag> I know the feisty release is in like two days
[06:26] <consty> Anyone purchase a system76 laptop before? If so, anyone know how long it usually takes them to move to a new release of Ubuntu pre-installed?
[06:29] <dystopianray> consty: why not install feisty yourself?
[06:30] <bur[n] er> consty: 24 hours
[06:30] <bur[n] er> if that
[06:30] <consty> dystopianray: Oh I could.. but I mean if it's only a day wait I might as well, right?
[06:30] <consty> bur[n] er: Really?  That quick eh?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> dystopianray, i think he's asking because he wants the extra level of support... if they install, then they cover it... right?
[06:31] <RAOF> And they install a bunch of other cool stuff for you, too.
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> y
[06:31] <consty> well technically they cover it with feisty anyway once it's released so
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> camera support, modem, ...
[06:31] <consty> exactly
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> so its a good choice for someone wanting fully supported hardware
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:32] <consty> So I mean if it's usually only 24 hours (that how long it took them to go from dapper to edgey?), then I'll wait.
[06:35] <consty> I have a borked laptop right now anyway, so I definitely need to replace it.
[06:38] <mon^rch> is ther some place I should go to report how happy with the stuff I have instaleed I am?
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> tell your local newspaper... no, really let them know.... write a letter to the editor on how nice Ubuntu is
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> so other folks will say, hey... maybe there is something better than windows for most stuff
[06:41] <DShepherd> so upgrading from edgy to feisty should be saner this time?
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:41] <torshido> we are having an installfest all over Latin America, this 28th
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> very nice
[06:41] <torshido> Flisol 2007: http://www.installfest.info/
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> i run into people who I never would think use Linux... and they run... Ubuntu!
[06:42] <torshido> do you think Feisty will be ready on time for this event?
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> i expect so...
[06:42] <ferret_0567_> I'm using GDM. When I click "Log out..." in Kubuntu, it only shows the "Log Out" button
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> the package updates keep slowing down to a trickle now
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> ferret_0567_, have you restarted?
[06:43] <ferret_0567_> Yes
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> that is something i've seen too...
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> using the update manager....
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> i think there are some weee buggers with having gdm while running kde
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> but that is just my narrow vision...
[06:44] <ferret_0567_> And, it worked in Edgy
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> its working for me now... but i switched to kdm instead of gdm
[06:45] <seamus7> I now triple boot Feisty, Edgy and Vista ... I wonder how long before I can just wipe my Edgy partition and stick with Feisty? Do you think it would be mad to make the full switch now?
[06:45] <dystopianray> bloody hell this new kubuntu partitioner is horrible
[06:45] <ferret_0567_> Nope
[06:45] <RAOF> seamus7: Yeah, as long as you've got a livecd handy should something absolutely crazy happen.
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:46] <ferret_0567_> Yeah, actually
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> good idea
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> like wild kernel downgrade, err i mean upgrade
[06:47] <seamus7> RAOF: hmm Feisty is working so nicely that I feel compelled to move to it asap
[06:47] <dystopianray> anyone else with intel graphics noticing that their laptop screen turns on when the mouse is moved, despite the lid being closed?
[06:50] <nomasteryoda> ya,  mine does that... but i use the suspend to ram mode now... and its not doing it... =D
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> that now works on feisty
[06:51] <dystopianray> well of course the screen isn't going to turn on when the machine is sleeping
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> my bluetooth mouse also works... but i had to do a little tweak to the config file to make it stick.. i power down and back up with the mouse . still finds it
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> its not a bug, its a feature =/
[06:52] <dystopianray> well it allows the screen to come back to life when the lid is closed and opened
[06:52] <Centaur5> Is it a known problem for nvidia drivers to have a problem with Feisty right now?
[06:53] <dystopianray> but it shouldn't turn the screen on when the lid is closed
[06:53] <RAOF> Centaur5: No?  What is your problem?
[06:54] <Centaur5> RAOF: Well I just installed nvidia-glx today and xorg.conf has the nvidia driver configured to use but glxgears can't run
[06:54] <RAOF> Centaur5: Did you reboot after installing the driver?  *How* did you install the driver?
[06:55] <Centaur5> yes, cause I also upgraded to the new kernel through the updates right before
[06:55] <Centaur5> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:55] <Centaur5> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:55] <Maithai> are there any known issues with amd64 4000+ on a gigabyte k8nf9 ultra ?
[06:56] <RAOF> And how did you install the drivers?  With the restricted manager?
[06:56] <Centaur5> synaptic
[06:56] <Maithai> because i wasn't able to either start or install ubuntu/kubuntu 5.10 - 7.04
[06:56] <Centaur5> I just looked at the restricted manager and it shows that my nvidia drivers are in use.
[06:57] <RAOF> Maithai: It's possible you need to boot with noacpi and friends, because your bios is broken.
[06:57] <Maithai> uhm...
[06:57] <RAOF> Centaur5: nvidia-glx, or nvidia-glx-legacy?
[06:57] <binskipy2u> 2 more days till fiesty
[06:57] <jdrake> Is the release so far on track for tomorrow (or close to)?
[06:57] <binskipy2u> woohoo
[06:57] <Maithai> what do you mean with "broken" ?
[06:58] <RAOF> Maithai: As in "it is not standards-compliant, and the kernel doesn't have an explicit work around for it"
[06:58] <Centaur5> RAOF: It wasn't the lecagy
[06:58] <Maithai> oh okay
[06:58] <Maithai> i'll try that one then :)
[06:58] <Maithai> be right back in a few
[06:58] <RAOF> Centaur5: Hm, I'm off, but pastebinning your /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be helpful.
[06:59] <Centaur5> okay, I'll do that
[06:59] <Centaur5> Who should I have check it out?
[07:04] <shirish> dystopianray: you still around?
[07:04] <dystopianray> shirish: yes
[07:05] <shirish> ok I'm having trouble finding this terminus font to use in the gnome-terminal, any ideas?
[07:05] <dystopianray> shirish: no, sorry
[07:06] <shirish> dystopianray: can u install it
[07:06] <dystopianray> shirish: i don't have access to a feisty machine right now
[07:07] <shirish> dystopianray: ah ok what are u on then anyway?
[07:07] <dystopianray> shirish: edgy
[07:07] <shirish> ah ok, cool
[07:08] <dystopianray> i am backing up my data before installing feisty
[07:08] <shirish> dystopianray: you in the process of upgrading it or studying the options?
[07:08] <HorizonXP> anyone know why on bootup, network manager says i'm connected to my university wireless network, but really isn't?
[07:08] <shirish> dystopianray: thought so, hopefully it becomes a smooth ride for you.
[07:11] <dystopianray> I think I will write a patch before installing feisty though
[07:13] <acidtabs> is feisty comming out tommarow?
[07:14] <dystopianray> acidtabs: apparently
[07:14] <acidtabs> just wondering sigh
[07:14] <Toma-> acidtabs: "week of the 19th"
[07:15] <Toma-> not at 12am on the 19th :)
[07:15] <Tomcat_> If no big bugs are found in the RC candidate... why not? :o
[07:15] <acidtabs> ok thx for the tip
[07:16] <sanityx> I can't seem to get Feisty to boot at all.
[07:16] <sanityx> I just get a black screen after a while.
[07:16] <sanityx> i can even eject the cd
[07:17] <dystopianray> sanityx: the livecd locks the cdrom so you can't eject it
[07:17] <sanityx> dystopianray, yes. i know that.
[07:17] <sanityx> but i boot off the cd
[07:17] <sanityx> and then i hit enter and it starts booting
[07:17] <sanityx> and then eventually
[07:17] <sanityx> i just get a black screen and the cd light goes off and i can eject it
[07:18] <dystopianray> sanityx: at what point does it fail and are there any error messages?
[07:18] <dystopianray> oh you can eject
[07:18] <sanityx> There's an error about a buggy bios. But I can boot 6.10 and 6.06 just fine.
[07:19] <sanityx> And other people are reporitng feisty booting fine with the same laptop :-(
[07:20] <mistone> I just got the -15 kernel and now when I pop in my SD card into my intergrated card reader it mounts as read only
[07:20] <mistone> halp?
[07:22] <dystopianray> mistone: sdhci card reader?
[07:22] <sanityx> this is really fustrating me
[07:22] <HorizonXP> anyone know why on bootup, network manager says i'm connected to my university wireless network, but really isn't?
[07:22] <sanityx> i know the disk is good too because it boots in vmware
[07:22] <mistone> dystopianray:  how do I check?
[07:22] <dystopianray> HorizonXP: are you sure you aren't?
[07:22] <^^kalm> Hey, i'm finding Feisty unusually slow (compared to Edgy for example)
[07:22] <dystopianray> mistone: dmesg | grep -i sdhci should tell you
[07:23] <dystopianray> ^^kalm: run top and see if any processes are consuming lots of cpu
[07:23] <mistone> dystopianray: that returned nothing
[07:23] <HorizonXP> dystopianray: positive; i have no IP address, and Firefox doesn't go to my uni's wireless logon page
[07:23] <sanityx> oooo theres a new bios for my system
[07:23] <sanityx> yay!
[07:24] <dystopianray> mistone: ok so you must have some other type of card reader
[07:24] <mistone> its scsi not shci
[07:24] <mistone> or whatever you said
[07:24] <mistone>  scsi 4:0:0:2: Direct-Access     Generic- SD/MMC           1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
[07:25] <mistone> it worked perfect before
[07:25] <mistone> I dunno exactly when it changed
[07:25] <mistone> but recently
[07:25] <dystopianray> i only have a sdhci reader which i was going to test if you had one
[07:25] <sanityx> if i cant get feisty to boot im going to freak
[07:26] <mistone> OH
[07:26] <mistone> I think I fail at life
[07:26] <dystopianray> mistone: read-only switch was set on the card?
[07:26] <mistone> let me see if I had the lock thing on
[07:26] <mistone> yea
[07:27] <mistone> oh btw my cmoputer keeps randomly freezing its either beryl or the low-latency kernel + realtime preemtion module
[07:28] <dystopianray> mistone: try to reproduce with a normal kernel
[07:28] <mistone> yea I will test that out
[07:29] <mistone> AH
[07:29] <mistone> that lock thinge was being stoopi
[07:29] <mistone> d
[07:29] <mistone> lol
[07:29] <mistone> I fail at life
[07:30] <dystopianray> i wonder if the lock can be detected via software and it could warn you that it is set
[07:30] <mistone> maybe
[07:30] <mistone> yea in the dmesg it says:
[07:30] <mistone> sdd: Write Protect is off
[07:30] <mistone> and sdd: Write Protect is on
[07:30] <mistone> thats how I figured it out
[07:31] <dystopianray> i wonder if hal exports that information
[07:39] <sanityx> I can't seem to get fiesty booted. It just goes to a black screen. cd-read light goes off eventually too
[07:41] <^^kalm> sanityx: so it doesnt boot AT ALL... nothing comes up
[07:41] <sanityx> Ok
[07:41] <sanityx> I boot off the cd
[07:41] <sanityx> I get the menu
[07:41] <dystopianray> sanityx: do previous releaes or any other distros boot?
[07:41] <sanityx> dystopianray, Yes, 6.10, 6.06
[07:41] <dystopianray> sanityx: are there any error messages?
[07:41] <^^kalm> sanityx: you may wanna try and reburn the iso
[07:41] <sanityx> I have reburned the ISO 3 times now
[07:41] <sanityx> i boot off the cd
[07:42] <^^kalm> sanityx: ah
[07:42] <dystopianray> sanityx: have you verified the md5sum of the iso?
[07:42] <sanityx> then i start the fesisty boot process with the first menu option.
[07:42] <sanityx> no. but ive downloaded it twice as well. how likely is it a bad iso
[07:42] <sanityx> palso
[07:42] <sanityx> also
[07:42] <sanityx> the iso boots just fine in vmware
[07:42] <dystopianray> sanityx: depends on your burner, md5sum the cd and iso
[07:43] <sanityx> md5sum it even though it boots in vmware?
[07:43] <dystopianray> sanityx: does the physical cd boot in vmware?
[07:43] <sanityx> yes.
[07:43] <dystopianray> well do it anyway
[07:43] <sanityx> ...
[07:43] <sanityx> But it boots.
[07:44] <^^kalm> and on a separate subject... how do you check md5sums ? :D (i've never done it before)
[07:44] <dystopianray> ^^kalm: md5sum /some/file
[07:44] <dystopianray> sanityx: which cd you are you using to install?
[07:45] <sanityx> the regular desktop i386 disc
[07:45] <dystopianray> sanityx: which one
[07:45] <sanityx> the one they wanted people to test as a possible release candidate
[07:45] <dystopianray> ok
[07:45] <^^kalm> beta?
[07:45] <sanityx> no.
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> i recommend the alternate... i had issues with the i386 feisty beta ... but not with the alternate
[07:46] <sanityx> im not going to just use the alternate though. if i install with that and then it doesnt boot . . .
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> no matter the download site , burn speed, ..
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> that's weird
[07:46] <^^kalm> Im doing just fine with 7.04b (altough i do find it a tad slow)
[07:46] <sanityx> also other people report 7.04 booting just fine on my laptop model.
[07:46] <dystopianray> ^^kalm: you haven't updated?
[07:46] <sanityx> but my laptop works fine because everything else boots just fine including 6.06 and 6.10
[07:46] <dystopianray> sanityx: do they have the same hardware though?
[07:47] <sanityx> possilby not.
[07:47] <^^kalm> dystopianray: im updating right now... half-way through :)
[07:47] <Maithai> i cant either install 5.10, 6.06 and 7.04
[07:47] <melaren> anyone know the final status with ralink (i.e. rt2500) cards and network manager?  ...are they going to work together or will we have to remove nm?
[07:48] <^^kalm> melaren: i my self use rt61, and as it seems it works just fine with 7.04b :) it was preinsalled and everything (surprise)
[07:49] <melaren> ^^kalm: nice!
[07:49] <sanityx> grr at 7.04
[07:49] <Maithai> 5.10 and 6.06 are just freezing with something looking like a pixel error.. and 7.04 the screen just blacks out and dvd-drive stops working..
[07:49] <^^kalm> sanityx: :)
[07:50] <^^kalm> Maithai: at what stage?
[07:50] <Maithai> uhm 5.10 and 6.06 showing the status bar while booting the cd
[07:50] <Maithai> and when it should go to desktop
[07:50] <Maithai> it freezes
[07:50] <^^kalm> Maithai: You use a laptop?
[07:50] <Maithai> 7.04 just freezes right after i selected "install or boot from cd"
[07:51] <Maithai> nope i'm on a desktop computer
[07:51] <^^kalm> Maithai: ah
[07:51] <^^kalm> Maithai: Sorry, i don't think i can help you much :)
[07:51] <Maithai> :(
[07:51] <Maithai> thanks anyways :)
[07:51] <^^kalm> Maithai: XD
[07:51] <Maithai> thats so weird...
[07:52] <Maithai> i even tried the acpi stuff etc..
[07:52] <dystopianray> Maithai: what hardware do you have?
[07:52] <Maithai> amd64 4000+
[07:52] <Maithai> on a gigabyte k8nf 9 ultra
[07:52] <^^kalm> Maithai: its just that.. if yo'd had a laptop, you could have removed all the "unusual" hardware like wifi cards, etc
[07:52] <dystopianray> Maithai: what hardware does that board have?
[07:52] <Maithai> uhm...
[07:53] <Maithai> you mean like pci-cards ?
[07:53] <mistone> I have a amd64 X2 3800 and it works great
[07:53] <mistone> besides it randomly freezing once in a while
[07:53] <dystopianray> Maithai: what ide and sata controllers does it have?
[07:53] <dystopianray> Maithai: is it an nforce board?
[07:53] <Maithai> nforce 4
[07:53] <Maithai> the ultra one
[07:54] <Maithai> i checked md5sum already
[07:54] <Maithai> cd seems to be ok
[07:54] <dystopianray> Maithai: what sata and ide controllers does it have?
[07:54] <consty> I got the same problem on an old Compaq computer as well.  Though I believe it was because I had < 256MB ram which is probably your problem maybe?  If you're using onboard graphics its important to remember you probably have 192MB ram or less, and the standard install cd wont work.
[07:54] <Maithai> i got 1024mb ram here and a pci-express radeon x800 pro
[07:55] <consty> damn, guess that's out.
[07:55] <dystopianray> Maithai: have you tried booting the safe graphics mode?
[07:55] <Maithai> yes
[07:55] <Maithai> fails too
[07:55] <Maithai> at the same step
[07:55] <dystopianray> Maithai: what ide and sata controllers does the board have?
[07:55] <mistone> did you do 64 bit version ?
[07:55] <Maithai> yes i tried the 64bit
[07:55] <mistone> yea you gotta use that
[07:55] <Maithai> it has some nforce 4 sata and ide controllers
[07:56] <dystopianray> Maithai: find out the specific models
[07:56] <phrizek> anyone know if feisty is getting a new default theme?
[07:56] <dystopianray> mistone: you don't need to use the 64-bit version
[07:56] <mistone> oh
[07:56] <dystopianray> phrizek: whatever it has now is final
[07:56] <mistone> should anyway
[07:56] <dystopianray> mistone: why? it just makes life difficult unless you have a specific reason to use a 64-bit OS
[07:57] <darx> my cpu doesn't scale properly details http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2472453#post2472453 is it possible to load a custom freq_table module and if yes which one and how :-/
[07:57] <^^kalm> mistone: especially on Linux
[07:57] <mistone> I thought it signafictanly improved the proframance
[07:58] <dystopianray> mistone: no
[07:58] <mistone> I haven't had any troubles
[07:58] <mistone> you would think it would...
[07:58] <dystopianray> mistone: it can potentially increase performance, but in most cases the difference is negligible
[07:59] <mistone> thats crazy wierd
[07:59] <dystopianray> mistone: why?
[07:59] <mistone> why do they have 64 bit then
[07:59] <Maithai> cause they can make some money with it
[07:59] <^^kalm> ...
[07:59] <dystopianray> mistone: becuase it has other benefits
[07:59] <Maithai> same as x2
[07:59] <dystopianray> mistone: such as being able to use >64GB of ram
[07:59] <sanityx> mistone, Because there CAN be benifits.
[07:59] <sanityx> Actually its >4gb ram
[08:00] <mistone> lol
[08:00] <mistone> 64 gigs of ram
[08:00] <dystopianray> it is 64GB, using PAE
[08:00] <mistone> thats only a few years away I guess
[08:00] <dystopianray> which all modern cpus support
[08:00] <sanityx> yes but greater than 4.
[08:00] <Maithai> hooray for windows ^^
[08:00] <sanityx> ??
[08:00] <dystopianray> sanityx: modern 32-bit cpus can address up to 64GB of ram using PAE
[08:00] <Maithai> that sucks heaps..
[08:00] <^^kalm> a bit random
[08:00] <sanityx> ooo ok
[08:00] <Maithai> i dont even want windows..
[08:00] <sanityx> Just windows cant. haha.
[08:00] <dystopianray> sanityx: windows can
[08:01] <Maithai> but i cant get ubuntu installed on this machine..
[08:01] <Maithai> :x
[08:01] <sanityx> Not according to microsoft. At least not in windows XP
[08:01] <dystopianray> sanityx: it can since windows 2k
[08:01] <^^kalm> Maithai: if it indeed is an issue with Ubuntu as is... switch distro :)
[08:01] <mistone> oh yea another thing that is kinda annoying is I have this headphone jack in the front of my computer that is supposed to mute the regluar sound when something gets plugged into it
[08:02] <mistone> I get sound out the headphone jack it just doesn't mute the speakers
[08:02] <^^kalm> Maithai: Ubuntu is great, but if it REALLY doesn't work, why bother? There are other great distros aswell
[08:02] <kbidd> from the ubuntu website, it says that its being released tomorrow, but there are rumors on #ubuntu that the release has been delayed... can anyone confirm/deny these rumors?
[08:02] <Maithai> i really like ubuntu.. i had it running on my old comp..
[08:02] <mistone> I wouldn't use any other distro
[08:02] <mistone> well maybe tweaked out debian
[08:02] <Maithai> and it ran so well.. oh yeah.. and i'm used to it now.. so i would screw debian or stuff maybe..
[08:03] <sanityx> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/benefit.mspx
[08:03] <kbidd> mistone, i like debian... running it on my other comp
[08:03] <darx> mistone: the settings for mic and speaker are different and can be adjusted accordingly
[08:03] <sanityx> on this page
[08:03] <sanityx> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/top10.mspx
[08:03] <sanityx> it says 32 bit windows can only address 4gb
[08:03] <^^kalm> debian isnt that great for a desktop user, is it?
[08:03] <sanityx> oh wait. im retarded.
[08:03] <Maithai> i dont think so
[08:03] <dystopianray> sanityx: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/pae_os.mspx
[08:04] <RAOF> However, PAE incurrs a performance penalty.
[08:04] <mistone> I was under the impression if you compile 64 bit stuff it would help proformence
[08:04] <dystopianray> mistone: it can, but usually has little difference
[08:04] <mistone> windows is completely useles in 64 bit
[08:04] <RawSewage> how many hours to release
[08:05] <dystopianray> mistone: most of 64-bit windows is 32-bit
[08:05] <mistone> yea
[08:05] <RAOF> x86-64 *does* improve performance (about 30% on average in A/V stuff, can be much better).
[08:05] <kbidd> is the release still tomorrow, or did it get pushed back (rumors on #ubuntu say its released on the 28th now)
[08:05] <mistone> dude who cares
[08:05] <Patrick_> hey guys, just upgraded a fresh installation of edgy amd64 to feisty amd64 now I cant seem to see my wifi connection?? Im using a laptop
[08:05] <RawSewage> 28th?
[08:05] <RAOF> However, since you're not using anywhere *near* the capacity of a modern processor in normal desktop usage, you won't see any real benefit normally.
[08:06] <mistone> wutt I play games
[08:06] <sanityx> Would there be a benifit in compiling speed?
[08:06] <dystopianray> kbidd: any official information you can see in the topic
[08:06] <RAOF> sanityx: Yes.
[08:06] <mistone> but those aren't compiled for 64 bit anyway
[08:06] <kbidd> dystopianray, thanks, just wanted to make sure the topic wasn't just late in getting updated.
[08:07] <RawSewage> Is Feisty coming out tomorrow
[08:07] <dystopianray> RawSewage: we don't know, read the topic and you'll know as much as we do
[08:07] <RawSewage> ok
[08:07] <kbidd> topic still says tomorrow, so i guess were good :P
[08:07] <RawSewage> it says the week of Apr 19
[08:07] <sanityx> hopefully tomorrow it will boot
[08:07] <kbidd> as long as its not just a delay in updating the topic
[08:08] <Patrick_> can anyone help me get my wifi to work on my laptop
[08:08] <kbidd> Patrick_, are there linux drivers for your wifi card?  If not, you will need to use something like ndiswrapper
[08:09] <Patrick_> kbidd, how do I check to see what the wifi card is called
[08:09] <kbidd> Patrick_, you can look for it in a lspci | less
[08:09] <mistone> network manager was messing with my connection
[08:10] <sanityx> grr
[08:10] <sanityx> i need to get a faster intarnets
[08:10] <^^kalm> What? AS IF Ubuntu 7.04 is coming out tomorrow :P ... i mean i only downloaded the beta and installed it 2 days ago...
[08:10] <mistone> hehe interbutt
[08:10] <RawSewage> the RC was cancelled
[08:10] <sanityx> 3 megabits just doesn't cut it anymore
[08:10] <mistone> pft
[08:10] <mistone> mine is 300 kb/s
[08:10] <RawSewage> cancelling the RC implies an ontime release
[08:10] <mistone> still on wifi b :P
[08:10] <sanityx> mistone, I get about 350 KB/s on 3 megabits
[08:11] <mistone> yea
[08:11] <sanityx> I'm going to get cable once i move, or FiOS if its availible
[08:11] <mistone> I got cable
[08:11] <mistone> its just my wifi is retarded
[08:11] <sanityx> You only have 2.5 megabits on cable?
[08:11] <sanityx> my gf has cable and she gets like 15 megabits
[08:11] <basvg> hey all.. I upgraded edgy -> feisty yesterday (smooth install, everything seems to work). When I booted this morning an error flashed bye about /etc/resolv and libc ... but couldn't find anything in /var/log afterwards. Any clues?
[08:11] <kbidd> ive got FiOS at home in maryland... its REALLY nice
[08:11] <sanityx> about 1 megabyte per second down
[08:11] <kbidd> miss it here at school
[08:11] <sanityx> kbidd, Whats your max downspeed? Like 3 megabytes per second?
[08:11] <^^kalm> RawSewage: But i hope there wont be many "important" fixes, etc on the real 7.04, 7.04b is just so cozy
[08:12] <kbidd> sanityx, on FiOS in maryland, yeah... i only have comcast here though, so nowhere near that :(
[08:12] <sanityx> kbidd, I live in new york city, where its not so easy to lay fiber.
[08:13] <dystopianray> i have 1.5mbit adsl
[08:13] <sanityx> Well, I guess if 7.04 doesn't boot tomorrow, I'll just switch from 6.10 to 6.06 and use that until 7.10 comes out.
[08:13] <sanityx> That way I'll have suppor
[08:13] <sanityx> support
[08:13] <^^kalm> sanityx: 7.10 huh?
[08:13] <sanityx> gusty gibbon
[08:13] <consty> Anyone have a guess what time 7.04 will be available?
[08:13] <^^kalm> sanityx: thats gonna take a while
[08:13] <sanityx> whatever version number its gonna have
[08:14] <sanityx> ^^kalm, not really, another 6 months.
[08:14] <RawSewage> Gutsy
[08:14] <mistone> Who cares exactly what time it will b out
[08:14] <dystopianray> sanityx: better yet, file a bug report so devs are aware of your problem
[08:14] <mistone> hehe /b/
[08:14] <consty> mistone: Well obviously I do considering I asked. :)
[08:14] <sanityx> dystopianray, Its probably not a bug though. The intarnets say that other ppl with my laptop can boot 7.04
[08:14] <dystopianray> sanityx: not booting sounds like a bug to me
[08:14] <sanityx> Although they might have a sempron, or less ram, or something
[08:15] <sanityx> Ok well if it doesn't boot tomorrow, I'll file a bug.
[08:15] <dystopianray> sanityx: are you using the latest daily livecd? the release probably won't have any changes
[08:16] <sanityx> no, but im downloading the latest daily alternate right now
[08:17] <mistone> ok this random freezing is getting annoying
[08:17] <mistone> Oh
[08:18] <mistone> its beryl
[08:18] <mistone> er
[08:18] <mistone> in dmesg I get : [ 2374.318272]  rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz.
[08:18] <mistone>  * 200
[08:18] <^^kalm> beryl, compiz, etc is just plain "eye-candy" and as such, worthless
[08:18] <mistone> WUT
[08:18] <mistone> beryl is awesome
[08:19] <^^kalm> it just looks good...
[08:19] <mistone> its all on the graphics card so  it takes up little resources
[08:20] <RAOF> ^^kalm: You obviously don't use "scale" a lot :P
[08:21] <^^kalm_> no
[08:21] <basvg> does anyone here know a fix for http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272117&highlight=resolv+libc ?
[08:22] <^^kalm_> it went quiet
[08:22] <mistone> how do I disable suppense mode on my hardrive
[08:22] <mistone> apprently that causes the   rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz. problem
[08:23] <^^kalm_> ah, update requires system restart.... bye
[08:23] <dystopianray> mistone: beryl consumes graphics resources and not all graphics cards have much onboard ram
[08:24] <RAOF> 32Mb of ram seems ample for some people.
[08:25] <mistone> so
[08:25] <mistone> mine has 128 + shared
[08:25] <mistone> its plenty
[08:25] <mistone> and when I want to play games I go to shitdows anyway
[08:26] <dystopianray> shitdows?
[08:28] <sanityx> I have never heard of that operating system.
[08:28] <sanityx> What is this thing you call "shitdows"?
[08:28] <sanityx> And where can I procure it?
[08:29] <RAOF> !ohmy
[08:29] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:30] <nizo> hi all
[08:31] <nizo> i need some information about postfix e-mail
[08:31] <nizo> can any one help
[08:32] <basvg> hmm, found the problem. /etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc exits with returncode 1
[08:32] <mistone> oh my .max-user-freq was set to 64 lol
[08:32] <mistone> that should fix that
[08:40] <slackern> Is it just me that gets the feeling of that 7.04 is faster than 6.10? Can't put my finger on what it is but everything feels snappier, starts quicker etc
[08:41] <RAOF> slackern: That'd be the new Gnome release, probably.  Each Gnome release is faster, and uses less memory :)
[08:41] <jml> RAOF: serious?
[08:41] <RAOF> jml: Pretty much.  That's been one of the big things with the last couple of Gnome releses - hunting down memory & performance bottlenecs.
[08:41] <mistone> slackern: opening programs should be faster to
[08:42] <RAOF> jml: Also, Cairo is getting a lot of performance love.
[08:42] <mistone> it uses that gnu preloader thinge
[08:42] <slackern> RAOF, i remember that 5.10 or 5.04 felt quite fast when running Gnome but all of a sudden it started feeling sluggish
[08:42] <jml> RAOF: I had no idea. That's awesome.
[08:42] <RAOF> jml: Yeah :)
[08:42] <Jordan_U> Is there an equivalent of Edgy's software-properties -e universe / multiverse in Feisty? ( it is very nice for making cut and paste instructions )
[08:42] <slackern> RAOF, i mean after going from 5.04/5.10 to the 6.xx releases
[08:43] <mistone> also : " Feisty uses a new linking mechanism called DT_GNU_HASH which speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running prelink."
[08:43] <slackern> That must be it then i guess, KDE and XFCE always felt snappier i must confess but now i can't really say i see any difference any longer.
[08:44] <sanity_x> I find KDE so ugly compared to gnome
[08:44] <slackern> I guess the ati drivers are working better now too
[08:44] <RAOF> slackern: If you mean the open-source drivers, then *yes*.
[08:44] <dystopianray> sanityx: i find gnome to be incredibly ugly compared to kde
[08:45] <sanity_x> KDE looks all jagged to me, not to mention I don't like the general Qt look
[08:45] <dystopianray> sanityx: gnome only has one colour scheme, brown
[08:45] <slackern> RAOF, im using the restricted packages now since i got a ATi X1950Pro card and the other ones didnt work so good, was a bit sluggish and human colour in movies and such turned to blue :)
[08:45] <sanity_x> I like brown,
[08:45] <Jordan_U> I love the gnome-look but you can't beat the QT toolkit
[08:45] <RAOF> dystopianray: You *are* joking, right?
[08:46] <dystopianray> RAOF: no i'm serious, even when you change the gnome colours it still has a brownness to it
[08:46] <HorizonXP> hey
[08:46] <slackern> What i love about kde is that it has alot of applications and it feels like everything is knitted togheter better.
[08:46] <mistone> wut
[08:46] <HorizonXP> how can i manually configure my xorg.conf to use two separate X screens?
[08:46] <HorizonXP> because my Nvidia-settings doesn't seem to save the config file
[08:46] <dystopianray> RAOF: adn i'm talking about vanilla gnome, not ubuntu's brown theme
[08:46] <RAOF> slackern: Really?  I feel exactly the opposite.
[08:47] <RAOF> dystopianray: You've tried some crazy themes, then.  My Gnome doesn't have any brown, except for the Ubuntu background.
[08:47] <slackern> RAOF, Yes, like kopete and such everything just feels more integrated with the entire desktop or how i should put it
[08:47] <sanity_x> eww kopete
[08:47] <sanity_x> kopete is like the worst aim client ive ever seen
[08:47] <dystopianray> sanityx: aim is the worst im network i ever seen
[08:47] <slackern> sanity_x, hehe
[08:47] <sanity_x> its SO ugly
[08:48] <dystopianray> kopete supports msn and yahoo webcam as well as jingle voice chat over jabber
[08:48] <sanity_x> Thats great. Its still ugly.
[08:48] <Jordan_U> Is there an equivalent of Edgy's software-properties -e universe / multiverse in Feisty? ( it is very nice for making cut and paste instructions )
[08:48] <RAOF> I like kopete's "iChat" like speech bubble theme.
[08:48] <dystopianray> not as ugly as gaim
[08:48] <sanity_x> Gaim looks great
[08:48] <sanity_x> I love gaim
[08:48] <dystopianray> gaim is the definition of ugly
[08:48] <sanity_x> sure it is.
[08:48] <slackern> rofl
[08:48] <HorizonXP> running nvidia-settings in a console
[08:49] <HorizonXP> shows that it can't determine valid sync ranges for my laptop's LCD
[08:49] <DarkMageZ> gaim is truly the definition of ugly... kopete is prittier... but still fails.
[08:49] <sanity_x> Sure it is.
[08:49] <kbidd> is beryl build in in 7.04?
[08:49] <slackern> But im still new to this kde/gnome business, only way that i could use a linux machine before without going crazy was with windowmaker or fluxbox
[08:50] <dystopianray> DarkMageZ: I don't think there are any good multi-network im clients on linux, they're all largely crap
[08:50] <slackern> Just being able to browse to another networked machine makes me happy :)
[08:50] <sanity_x> i love gaim
[08:50] <sanity_x> besides what does windows have?
[08:50] <sanity_x> trillian? dont make me laugh
[08:50] <slackern> I usually use Miranda in windows
[08:50] <sanity_x> Now THAT is an ugly client.
[08:50] <sanity_x> And im speaking of miranda.
[08:50] <sanity_x> Its far uglier than either gaim or kopete
[08:50] <DarkMageZ> dystopianray, gaim is ok. kopete is ok. but they're still ugly
[08:51] <slackern> hehe i usually clean it out to the max with black background and green color for online red for offline and orange for dnd and such :)
[08:51] <slackern> looks like an old bbs system :)
[08:52] <dystopianray> kopete and gaim need better jabber support
[08:53] <Jordan_U> http://www.adiumx.com/screenshots/
[08:55] <jml> yeah
[08:55] <jml> adium is awesome
[08:55] <dystopianray> does anyone know how ubuntu plans to support hybrid drives?
[08:55] <RAOF> Probably by waiting for the kernel to support them?
[08:56] <dystopianray> RAOF: yes but what then?
[08:56] <RAOF> I don't know.  What do you mean by "support"?
[08:56] <dystopianray> how will ubuntu use the flash component
[08:57] <K`zan> Anyone know how to inset a carrage return in a regular expression?
[08:57] <RAOF> dystopianray: No idea, but it'll probably be a kernel-level thing.  What is the flash component meant to do, anyway?
[08:58] <dystopianray> RAOF: afaik it's just another place you can put data
[08:58] <dystopianray> RAOF: could be anything from hibernate images to frequently used packages
[08:58] <dystopianray> RAOF: and accessing it won't spin up the drive
[08:58] <RAOF> Isn't flash substantially slower than HDD?
[08:59] <dystopianray> RAOF: I don't think so
[08:59] <RAOF> Particularly write speeds?
[08:59] <dystopianray> RAOF: it's not supposed to be frequently written to
[09:00] <RAOF> I'm still not entirely sure what you'd want to use it for, though.
[09:01] <RAOF> Unless you had a *lot* of it, it's probably too small for a hibernate image.
[09:01] <dystopianray> RAOF: they'er planning on putting 1GB or more on the drives
[09:01] <RAOF> Ok, so that's a lot :)
[09:01] <dystopianray> RAOF: it's supposed to be faster than the hdd itself, so bootup file could be on it and speed up the boot process
[09:02] <dystopianray> it's part of the upcoming ATA-8 specification
[09:03] <kalm> dystopianray: wow, it certainly seems faster after the update :)
[09:03] <dystopianray> kalm: you updated from the beta?
[09:04] <basvg> hmm, after upgrade to feisty my beryl doesn't seem to work anymore... it complains that it couldn't initialise dbus. Anyone seen this before?
[09:04] <^^kalm> dystopianray: No, i mean the normal software update
[09:05] <dystopianray> basvg: are you using beryl from the official repos?
[09:05] <dystopianray> ^^kalm: dist-upgrade?
[09:05] <basvg> dystopianray: I think so... but good point, I'll purge it and reinstall, see if that fixes it
[09:05] <dystopianray> basvg: and i mean the official feisty repos, not the beryl-project repos
[09:06] <^^kalm> dystopianray: yea i suppose so 0_0
[09:06] <basvg> dystopianray: I don't have the beryl repos in the sources.list anymore so that cant be the problem ;) but thanks for the heads up
[09:07] <RAOF> dystopianray: Once the ATA-8 spec is finalised, and supported in the kernel, it seems that it'd be trivial to do whatever you wanted with the flash cache.
[09:08] <dystopianray> RAOF: yes, but i'm curious if ubuntu devs have any plans for it
[09:08] <RAOF> Probably not, particularly since it's not available yet :)
[09:08] <RAOF> There are fewer core Ubuntu devs than people think :)
[09:09] <RAOF> You could propose a spec, and go to Spain to talk about it :)
[09:09] <dystopianray> i would only go to spain if somebody funded the trip
[09:10] <RAOF> :)
[09:10] <basvg> ok, I installed it again... the error I just had is now gone.. but now I have no window decorations anymore ;)
[09:11] <basvg> it does mutter something about glx ... hmmm... time to look at xorg.conf
[09:12] <dystopianray> i tried that new xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, it is horrible though, crashes X when changing resolution
[09:13] <Jordan_U> basvg, Do you have any of the effects like wobbly windows, can you move windows at all?
[09:14] <basvg> Jordan_U: no, there's no titlebar to grab with the mouse
[09:14] <slackern> time to try feisty on another machine :)
[09:15] <Jordan_U> basvg, What about alt+dragg?
[09:15] <basvg> Jordan_U: that works..
[09:16] <Jordan_U> basvg, Wobbly?
[09:16] <basvg> I restarted beryl-manager in an xterm so I can see the output. It mutters "beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32" ... and yep, it's wobbly
[09:16] <Jordan_U> basvg, Then it's probably not an xorg config problem
[09:17] <Jordan_U> basvg, What happens when you reload the window decorator from beryl-manager?
[09:17] <basvg> jeah, there's something on ubuntuforums about this... when I reload the decorator then nothing happens... thanks for the help so far, gonna fiddle a bit with xorg.conf
[09:18] <Jordan_U> basvg, Again, I doubt that it is an xorg.conf problem
[09:21] <basvg> Jordan_U: well, turns it it *did* fix the problem. I had to add two lines to the Screen section of xorg.conf
[09:21] <Jordan_U> basvg, OK, I guess I was wrong :)
[09:22] <adultswim> so how big are the problems with the current 7.04 beta?
[09:22] <dystopianray> the new battery level indicator is great, it has more than 4 levels of granularity this time!
[09:22] <dystopianray> adultswim: the beta is not current, grab one of the daily images
[09:23] <adultswim> dystopianray, where are they found?
[09:23] <dystopianray> adultswim: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[09:23] <adultswim> ubuntu
[09:24] <dystopianray> adultswim: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[09:24] <adultswim> thanks
[09:24] <basvg> Jordan_U: I can't find the part in the emerald settings manager anymore when I can specify that nice burn-effect when I create/distroy windows... do you know where it is hidden ;) ?
[09:24] <basvg> oh n.m., it's n the bery-settings, not emerald
[09:25] <Jordan_U> adultswim, And ideally there should be very few problems as it is being released tomorrow
[09:27] <basvg> adultswim: I just upgraded yesterday (about 12 hours ago)... things went pretty smoothly. I had 2 minor problems but you're not very likely to run into them
[09:28] <basvg> I must say that the system seems to be more responsive even... mightily impressed
[09:28] <basvg> back later => groceries, dishes, food, coffee...
[09:32] <DVS01> feisty is totally kicking ass.. good job guys
[09:33] <dystopianray> DVS01: eh, it's ok
[09:33] <DVS01> i can actually use it as a gaming system on my laptop
[09:33] <dystopianray> for what games?
[09:33] <DVS01> so far, doom3 and oblivion
[09:33] <dystopianray> oblivion in wine?
[09:33] <DVS01> yes
[09:33] <DVS01> new version of cedega/wine supports it
[09:33] <DVS01> and it actually runs very nice
[09:34] <DVS01> its beyond playable.. its very playable
[09:34] <dystopianray> which one, cedega or wine?
[09:34] <DVS01> i was really surprised
[09:34] <Edulix> hi
[09:34] <DVS01> cedega
[09:34] <DVS01> hi
[09:34] <Edulix> so feisty is launched today?
[09:34] <dystopianray> i'll be impressed when it runs in wine
[09:34] <dystopianray> Edulix: look at the topic
[09:34] <DVS01> well cedega is wine, no?
[09:34] <dystopianray> DVS01: no
[09:34] <DVS01> it seems to use wine executable
[09:34] <DVS01> i guess they patch it
[09:35] <RAOF> It's a patched wine, yes.
[09:35] <dystopianray> DVS01: cedega is a commercial software which forked from wine years ago
[09:35] <Edulix> dystopianray: ok
[09:35] <DVS01> ahh.. i heard somewhere that it was just a launcher for wine
[09:35] <RAOF> dystopianray: I was under the impression that there was a fair bit of collaboration cedega-wine wise?
[09:35] <JanDM> cedega is more focused on making as much games work as possible
[09:35] <DVS01> yeah
[09:35] <DVS01> theyre doing a pretty good job =D
[09:36] <dystopianray> RAOF: there is to some degree i think, but nothing significant
[09:36] <DVS01> i totally don't miss windows xp at all
[09:36] <RAOF> But now that you mention it, I'm not sure where I got that impression from :)
[09:36] <DVS01> which is what this laptop used to be runing
[09:36] <Edulix> dystopianray: sound only works for me in 2.6.20-12-generic and previous. in 13 to 15 revisions, I have no sound. it's a snd_hda_intel
[09:36] <dystopianray> Edulix: hda-intel is pretty screwed on feisty
[09:36] <RAOF> Edulix: File yourself a bug.  *My* hda-intel works (almost) perfectly
[09:37] <RAOF> Edulix: Particularly if it's a regression, that makes it somewhat easier to fix :)
[09:37] <Edulix> oks ;)
[09:37] <DVS01> haha
[09:37] <Edulix> RAOF: not only is it a regressin but I know exactly in which version of the kernel itstoped to work
[09:37] <RAOF> Alternatively, if he hasn't been exhausted by the masses trying to fix their hda-intel, crimsun might be able to help.
[09:38] <dystopianray> Edulix: do you know which patch caused the regression?
[09:38] <RAOF> Edulix: Which makes it even easier, they just need to look at the one version difference.
[09:38] <Edulix> dystopianray: nop
[09:38] <Edulix> hehe well now I have to go to class, so I'll file it later
[09:38] <Edulix> see you then!
[09:39] <slackern> woohooo finally a ubuntu distro booted on this HP machine :)
[09:40] <JanDM> congratulations ;)
[09:42] <slackern> been trying to boot a ubuntu disk on that machine since 5.04 and it just hardlocked when booting :)
[09:42] <JanDM> nice
[09:43] <knix> Oh man, I never noticed totem was removed from ubuntu-desktop. What have I been missing!
[09:45] <JanDM> was totem removed?
[09:45] <knix> I dunno, I may have still had it from edgy
[09:46] <knix> But I was able to uninstall it :)
[09:47] <[miles] > morning gentlemen
[09:55] <Mithrandir> hm, there's a spelling error in the join message here.
[09:56] <mc44> Mithrandir: its a known bug :)
[09:56] <Mithrandir> we have a fair bunch of those..
[09:56] <mc44> indeed
[09:57] <mc44> Mithrandir: how are the final images looking?
[09:57] <dystopianray> there is a spelling error when you install samba
[09:58] <Mithrandir> mc44: I think they're good.  We're still testing, though.
[09:58] <mc44> excellent
[10:01] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone have a problem with nvidia driver not recognizing the correct monitor resolutions?
[10:03] <mc44> Admiral_Chicago: have you tried nvidia-settings
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> mc44: no, how would I do that
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> alt + f2 ; nvidia-settings?
[10:04] <mc44> Admiral_Chicago: run sudo nvidia-settings in a terminal
[10:04] <mc44> right
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> oh that. yes I did
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry
[10:05] <mc44> and it didnt give you the right resolution?
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> no, it'll create an extended desktop
[10:07] <Admiral_Chicago> trying something...sec
[10:08] <visik7> my sound card doesn't work in feisty while it works on edgy 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[10:09] <dystopianray> visik7: intel-hda is pretty screwed on feisty
[10:09] <RAOF> Lucky crimsun, *another* hda-intel bug :)
[10:10] <BadRabbit320> exactly WHAT does 'uname -r' refer to or do?
[10:10] <visik7> dystopianray: any possible fix before release ?
[10:10] <dystopianray> visik7: no
[10:10] <xopher> What have they even changed/updated in intel-hda from edgy?
[10:11] <dystopianray> visik7: unless you fix it yourself
[10:11] <visik7> dystopianray:  ?!??!?!
[10:11] <Tomcat_> BadRabbit320: As the man page states "print the kernel release"
[10:11] <visik7> dystopianray: this is crazy
[10:11] <dystopianray> visik7: only release critical fixes will go in before final
[10:11] <Mithrandir> visik7: we're going to fix it in an update.
[10:11] <dystopianray> visik7: i agree
[10:12] <BadRabbit320> ok, thanks; didn't know if it's something requiring input
[10:13] <BadRabbit320> is there a way to get/see a list of everything in the man pages?
[10:14] <dystopianray> BadRabbit320: you want to see a list of every man page?
[10:16] <BadRabbit320> yes, that way I 'hope' I won't be asking ???'s that are probably basic to the rest of you
[10:16] <BadRabbit320> yep, a windows convertee...but I'm tryin'
[10:17] <dystopianray> BadRabbit320: well you can use 'man -k' to search the man pages
[10:20] <BadRabbit320> thnx
[10:22] <BadRabbit320> so how do I change my clock from 24hr format to 12?   tried the settings, applied, ok'd, but still 24hr...
[10:23] <dystopianray> BadRabbit320: try logging out then back in
[10:23] <BadRabbit320> Feisty Kubuntu (online upgrade from 6.10 kubuntu)
[10:24] <dystopianray> BadRabbit320: yes, logout and login
[10:25] <BadRabbit320> tried reboot several times, each reboot chking to see if settings stayed
[10:25] <dystopianray> BadRabbit320: don't need to reboot, a logout will do
[10:25] <dystopianray> BadRabbit320: you change the time format in 'system settings -> country/region & language -> time & dates' apply then logout and login
[10:26] <BadRabbit320> ok, but now I hafta wait till time passes the 1200 hr...
[10:27] <BadRabbit320> ok, noted and will do that.
[10:27] <dystopianray> BadRabbit320: right click the clock 'show timezone -> configure timezones' select a timezone that would be past 12:00 then middle click the clock
[10:27] <BadRabbit320> tg for lying to ur puter...
[10:28] <dystopianray> pardon?
[10:28] <BadRabbit320> thank
[10:28] <dystopianray> it doesn't change your computer's timezone, kde's clock can display multiple timezones, middle clicking rotates between the display zones
[10:29] <BadRabbit320> Thank God for 'lying to your computer'; (always another way to do something).
[10:30] <dystopianray> what do you mean 'lying to your computer' ?
[10:31] <BadRabbit320> if something isn't obvious, lie to it.  in this case, tell it I'm in a different tz rather than wait for my tz to pass noon.
[10:32] <neonlinux> hey all, is the release still going to be the 19th?
[10:32] <dystopianray> BadRabbit320: it's lying, kde has the ability to show different timezones
[10:32] <dystopianray> BadRabbit320: i mean 'it's not lying'
[10:32] <dystopianray> BadRabbit320: it is a feature, not a lie
[10:32] <mc44> neonlinux: probably
[10:33] <BadRabbit320> understood
[10:33] <twentyafterfour> if the release is running late  just modify time zones to stay on schedule
[10:34] <neonlinux> ok.. and (sorry for being pedantic but...) is that going to be the 19th est?
[10:34] <mc44> neonlinux: it will be when its ready :)
[10:34] <neonlinux> lol.. want to know whether to stay up all night or sleep (i have to build a server the next day)
[10:35] <mc44> neonlinux: there is no definitive answer Im afrais
[10:35] <mc44> *afraid
[10:35] <neonlinux> that and ive (aside from an ati issue) been really impressed with the speed and functionality of the beta
[10:36] <neonlinux> i skipped edgy, went from dapper to feisty.. its a shame i cant make an analogy between win98 and winxp cause feisty herd5 has been more stable than windows on my machine
[10:38] <Mithrandir> neonlinux: I tend to push the release button sometime during the day in my timezone so a) I don't have to work more night shifts than I already do and b) the rest of the distro team and sysadmins don't have to either.
[10:38] <BadRabbit320> thanks for the help folks!
[10:40] <Mithrandir> (oh, and my timezone is CEST, so "daytime UTC" is close enough)
[10:40] <neonlinux> Mithrandir: lol cool.. i fully understand... just waiting on the edgy of my seat in anticipation... am i a geek or what lol
[10:40] <mc44> Mithrandir: I like to give vague answers in case it all goes horribly wrong :p
[10:40] <neonlinux> hey.. if it doesnt get released on time it can only get better right?
[10:41] <mc44> indeed
[10:42] <Mithrandir> mc44: realistically, if something comes up within the next 24 hours that causes a real delay, we'll need another week or so because of all the testing needed.
[10:42] <JanDM> just wondering, if the sky does not fall down, is the final going to be exactly like the daily image?
[10:42] <Mithrandir> but otherwise agreed. :-)
[10:42] <Steil> when i enable desktop effects...i get no window borders....any ideas? (i tried switching between 24bit and 16bit display)
[10:42] <Mithrandir> JanDM: yes.
[10:42] <JanDM> or are there some files setting to 'release mode' or so
[10:42] <JanDM> okay
[10:42] <mc44> Mithrandir: right, But that isnt going to happen :)
[10:42] <Mithrandir> mc44: shhh! Don't jinx it!
[10:43] <Mithrandir> JanDM: we have a setting in the cd build scripts which decide if it's branded "Daily Build", "Beta" or just "7.04", that switch was flipped last Friday or Saturday.
[10:43] <mc44> Mithrandir: hey, the kernel fun must have taken all the jinxing out :)
[10:43] <Mithrandir> mc44: I'm not convinced of that.
[10:44] <llutz> hi
[10:46] <JanDM> Mithrandir: thanks, so if we are lucky I don't evn have to use rsync :)
[10:46] <Mithrandir> JanDM: or rather, rsync will run very, very quickly. :-)
[10:54] <Steil> I'm just wondering how to get expose like effects with the desktop effects package with feisty
[10:54] <neonlinux> Mithrandir: wouldnt that mean that if i download the daily.. it would be the same as the release?
[10:54] <mc44> neonlinux: right
[10:55] <mc44> Steil: does clicking in the top right corner do it?
[10:55] <Mithrandir> neonlinux: correct.
[10:56] <neonlinux> and theres no difference between that and what the release is?
[10:56] <mc44> assuming all goes well
[10:56] <Steil> mc44: nope
[10:56] <dystopianray> that kubuntu partitioner is rather dodgy
[10:56] <mc44> Steil: you have compiz running?
[10:56] <Steil> yep
[10:56] <mc44> Steil: apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager
[10:56] <mc44> Steil: then run gnome-compiz-preferences
[10:57] <Mithrandir> neonlinux: what mc44 says.  The difference between the last daily before a release and the release itself is that the actual release has been blessed by saying "this is the release"
[10:57] <neonlinux> ahh.. ok... so in the grand scheme of running will the daily update differently in regards to apt sources?
[10:57] <Steil> mc44: thanks :) Is compiz a lot stabler now?
[10:57] <VirhYl3> Hi.  I'm trying to get mp3s out of sound juicer... any help?
[10:58] <mc44> Steil: it is reasonably stable, yes
[10:58] <JanDM> neonlinux: no, it uses the same apt settings
[10:58] <Mithrandir> neonlinux: no, there is no "stable" symlink.  We change the status in a couple of files so update-manager and friends pick it up, but to a large extent it's stable when we stop putting in updates and start putting them in feisty-proposed, feisty-security and feisty-updates.
[10:59] <VirhYl3> the info in the forums is wrong, because it doesn't find any of those apt-gets.
[10:59] <neonlinux> ok.. now im beginning to understand how all this works :) thanks
[10:59] <neonlinux> might just start downloading the daily
[10:59] <mc44> VirhYl3: which apt-gets?
[11:00] <VirhYl3> gstreamer-plguin-ugly
[11:00] <VirhYl3> and bad
[11:00] <mc44> VirhYl3: you want gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[11:00] <mc44> and -bad
[11:00] <JanDM> VirhYl3: just double click on them and let easy codec installation do the hard work?
[11:01] <VirhYl3> double click on what?
[11:01] <twentyafterfour> VirhYl3: when you can't find a package you can try this command:
[11:01] <twentyafterfour> apt-cache search partial-name
[11:01] <JanDM> the mp3 files, so they open in totem
[11:01] <mc44> JanDM: he wants to make them, not play them
[11:01] <VirhYl3> yeah.
[11:01] <VirhYl3> :)
[11:01] <JanDM> mc44: is that another codec? okay
[11:01] <VirhYl3> It's really tragic that Juicer doesn't come with this enabled by default.  I mean isn't LAME open source anyway?
[11:01] <mc44> JanDM: no, but he has nothinng to click on
[11:02] <mc44> VirhYl3: patent issues Im afraid
[11:02] <gerry_> hello
[11:02] <NixHost> hola
[11:02] <dystopianray> is it legal to download and use the restricted codecs packages?
[11:02] <VirhYl3> wow, that really sucks.  Because my car stereo won't play ogg.
[11:02] <gerry_> anyone can help me to tweaking my pppoe problem?
[11:02] <mc44> dystopianray: depending on your location
[11:02] <VirhYl3> neither will my cell phone.
[11:03] <dystopianray> mc44: what about in the US?
[11:03] <mc44> VirhYl3: right, but if you get those packages I said it should work with mp3s
[11:03] <VirhYl3> cool.
[11:03] <gerry_> ppp0 is up, but i can't connect to inet, weird
[11:03] <VirhYl3> i think i found them in synaptic.
[11:03] <VirhYl3> ugly-multiverse
[11:03] <gerry_> but after restart ppp0, it worked
[11:03] <NixHost> gerry_: does the default gw and DNS point in the right direction ?
[11:03] <spikeb> use isn't the problem with the restricted codecs, distribution is.
[11:04] <gerry_> NixHost, i dont setup default gw
[11:04] <mc44> spikeb: I think use is a problem in some locations. but IANAL :s
[11:04] <spikeb> me either actually :)
[11:04] <gerry_> DNS is setup by pppoe itself
[11:05] <dystopianray> does the restricted codecs download manager make users aware of the possible legal issues?
[11:05] <NixHost> You do not run anything that would overwrite those settings?
[11:05] <VirhYl3> huh, well it shows up now, but how do I know I'm getting 128kb?
[11:05] <gerry_> Nixhost:  i'm using pppoe
[11:05] <NixHost> ger
[11:05] <mc44> dystopianray: yes
[11:06] <gerry_> i have configure pppoe starup at booting time
[11:06] <VirhYl3> Is that the default? (also, in case somebody else asks later, I had to close and open Juicer).
[11:06] <NixHost> gerry_: I used it before... the main problem for me was that everytime the DHCP sent out a new lease it would overwrite the gateway and dns settings
[11:07] <gerry_> NixHost: i'm not using DHCP
[11:07] <gerry_> ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.8
[11:07] <VirhYl3> OK, just going to give it a shot, then see what the bit rate is.
[11:07] <gerry_> it's fast than DHCP
[11:07] <mc44> VirhYl3: I think its vbr by default
[11:07] <NixHost> gerry_: okay, then I come up short..
[11:07] <VirhYl3> 128?  or 192?
[11:08] <gerry_> auto dsl-provider
[11:08] <gerry_> iface dsl-provider inet ppp
[11:08] <gerry_> pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf
[11:08] <gerry_> provider dsl-provider
[11:08] <basvg> wheeee! an even faster desktop...
[11:09] <gerry_> NixHost : i can see ppp0 is up,but i can't connect to inet until i restart ppp
[11:09] <gerry_> NixHost: every time, i have to "sudo poff -a"  and "pon dsl-provider"
[11:09] <VirhYl3> huh, well one song is 4.7 mb, so I guess that is good.
[11:10] <VirhYl3> That's about what I want.
[11:10] <gerry_> that's it
[11:12] <gerry_> any ideas?
[11:13] <NixHost> Is it a random hang or does it hang at the same interval?
[11:15] <Cheetah> can't wait can't wait till tomorrow :D
[11:15] <dystopianray> at what point does this room become gutsy discussion only?
[11:16] <Cheetah> i think, tomorrow :D
[11:16] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: it will be a bit
[11:16] <gerry_> NixHost:
[11:16] <gnomefreak> we might close it for a week or so
[11:16] <mc44> well, when gutsy comes out
[11:16] <dystopianray> oh, i don't like hanging out in #ubuntu
[11:17] <mc44> gnomefreak: probably not a terrible idea having it as feisty overflow for a bit
[11:17] <gnomefreak> add -offtopic than ;)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> mc44: we wont need it
[11:17] <gnomefreak> s/wont/shouldnt
[11:17] <mc44> gnomefreak: well we can forward everyone to ubuntu and get the total even higher :)
[11:17] <jhaig> I suspect if you enforced gutsy only discussions here, it would become very quiet for a few weeks.
[11:18] <dystopianray> we can talk about simians
[11:18] <mc44> \o/ apes!
[11:20] <Cheetah> hmm, are desktop effects stable enough to be used in production at home? or are there still annoying (not rare) crashes?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> Cheetah: i havent heard of any crashes lately
[11:21] <Jordan_U> Cheetah, I would say that it is reasonably stable, I have had no crashes so far in Feisty with the default compiz / "desktop effects"
[11:21] <dystopianray> Cheetah: if they were stable they'd be enabled by default
[11:21] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: it is
[11:21] <Cheetah> ahh okay. I remember back in alpha days of feisty, there were annoying crashes
[11:22] <gnomefreak> well cant be enabled but installed by default it is
[11:22] <void^> i still have the funny bug that i see the desktop twice when zooming in :)
[11:22] <Cheetah> dystopianray, I'm talking about "stable enough to be used at home", not "stable enough to let your mom use it" ;)
[11:22] <Cheetah> moms tend to break it all
[11:23] <zdzichuBG> I haven't seen compiz crash on my intel graphic
[11:23] <Cheetah> hmm okay ;)
[11:23] <Cheetah> sounds good enough me thinks
[11:27] <VirhYl3> I've been really happy with compiz/beryl.
[11:28] <VirhYl3> It crashes Urban Terror, but that's about it.
[11:28] <Cheetah> Oh no ;)
[11:28] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> well, my upgrade was almost painless :x
[11:28] <VirhYl3> Yeah, you gotta switch to metacity for some hard core games.
[11:28] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> file system check failed on reboot :o
[11:29] <tapas> what's the package called containing the xine jack backend on ubuntu?
[11:32] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> can someone tell me what went wrong here? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16224/
[11:33] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> SysInfo: Diskspace: 17.98G Free: 10.64G
[11:33] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it's not finding my 80gig harddrive, /dev/hdb1
[11:33] <tapas> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: did you do a kernel upgrade lately?
[11:33] <tapas> if so, do it again :)
[11:33] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.20-15-generic
[11:33] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> that's not recent?
[11:33] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> erm, current
[11:34] <tapas> there was a broken 2.6.20-15 package for a short time
[11:34] <tapas> maybe you caught that one
[11:34] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> bleh
[11:34] <dystopianray> tapas: how was it broken?
[11:34] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i did the upgrade command in terminal starting about 3 hours ago
[11:34] <tapas> dystopianray: by not being able to i.e mount the root device ;)
[11:34] <tapas> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: then that wasn't it :)
[11:35] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i knew i should have waited til the 20th lol
[11:35] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> but i got impatient :
[11:35] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> p
[11:36] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> update manager says i'm up to date :o is there a way to manually update the kernel?
[11:36] <tapas> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: in case it really is an ext2 fs, it might simply be broken though
[11:36] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it's an ext3
[11:36] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: ???
[11:36] <tapas> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: like i said, if you updated your kernel 3hs ago, then that wasn't it
[11:36] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: you have the last one
[11:36] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> well how do i update it this hour?
[11:36] <_4strO> 2.6.20-15-generic
[11:37] <mc44> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: it looks like a HW problem not a kernel issue
[11:37] <mc44> there isnt a newer kernel
[11:37] <tapas> or a fs issue :)
[11:37] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> the HW (if you mean hardware) was working before i upgraded to 7.04
[11:37] <tapas> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: can you see the partitions when running fdisk /dev/hdb
[11:37] <mc44> tapas: thats what I meant of course :p
[11:37] <tapas> and then press p
[11:37] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> isn't that a format command? :o
[11:38] <_4strO> what is the pb ?
[11:38] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it's not finding my 80gig hard drive (separate drive, not a partition)
[11:38] <_4strO> you lose HD after upgrading ?
[11:38] <tapas> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: do you want to waste our time?
[11:38] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> no -_-
[11:39] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: sudo fdisk -l
[11:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Unable to open /dev/hdb
[11:39] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: you see it there ?
[11:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> o_O i see /dev/sda stuff
[11:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> and /dev/sdb is there, yeah
[11:39] <_4strO> here it is ...
[11:39] <dystopianray> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: ah, your hdd is probably /dev/sd* now, due to the libata change
[11:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes
[11:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> that's it
[11:40] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> so what, i gotta change... /etc/fstab was it?
[11:40] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: it's just unmounted
[11:40] <tapas> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: right
[11:40] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> cos it was /dev/hdb before upgrading, not /dev/sdb
[11:40] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: cat /etc/fstab ?
[11:40] <dystopianray> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: you should use the UUID in fstab
[11:41] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> the what?
[11:41] <dystopianray> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: universally unique identifier
[11:41] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: that's the reason why in fstab know they use UUID
[11:41] <_4strO> not even /dev/sd*
[11:41] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> oh you mean like that long number below # /dev/hda1
[11:41] <stefg> and a UUID is neede as boot argument as well in menu.lst
[11:41] <dystopianray> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: uniquely identifies the parition regardless of what device it has
[11:41] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> # /dev/hda1
[11:41] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> UUID=e78d262f-5a2e-4864-9c41-1d1c9c6d5d78 /
[11:42] <_4strO> yes
[11:42] <_4strO> it refere the unik id of your HD
[11:42] <[miles] > needs to do the same
[11:42] <stefg> sudo vol_id
[11:42] <Mithrandir> use vol_id -u /dev/sdb1 to get the UUID for it.
[11:43] <coz_> I have a package in auto update,  xserver-xorg-video-ati, that insists on installing and I don't need it...is there a way to prevent this package from installing and showin gup again?
[11:43] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> and just replace /dev/hdb1 with UUID="that number"?
[11:43] <dystopianray> coz_: why don't you want it?
[11:43] <coz_> dystopianray, I have nvidia and I don't need this insatlled on the system
[11:44] <tapas> so is the jack backend for xine hidden in some package?
[11:44] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> # /dev/sdb1
[11:44] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> UUID=c8dd23f5-8381-416b-b387-7cdfacf22af0       /media/zen      ext3    default$
[11:44] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> that look right?
[11:44] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: do you mean -25.27 in the topic?
[11:44] <_4strO> coz_: then remove the old version you have of this package
[11:44] <Mithrandir> stefg: labels can easily crash for people dual-booting.
[11:44] <coz_> _4strO, I don't hava an old version
[11:44] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> on the other side of the $ is just 1 1
[11:45] <coz_> as far as I know
[11:45] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: i mean, -15.27
[11:45] <coz_> _4strO, and if there is anold version it will also remove ubunti desktop as well
[11:45] <gnomefreak> dystopianray: no i mean 2.6.20-15.25 is being worked on and test kernels for .26 are in topic in #ubuntu-kerne;
[11:45] <gnomefreak> kernel
[11:45] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: but -15.27 is already out
[11:45] <gnomefreak> .27 doesnt exist
[11:45] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: yes it does
[11:45] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :o
[11:45] <gnomefreak> it is?
[11:45] <stefg> Mithrandir: and waht happens if you just tar your root partition up, reformat and restore? Bump! Same shit as in windoze, different heap :-o
[11:46] <mc44> gnomefreak: its what im running :)
[11:46] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-source-2.6.20_2.6.20-15.27/changelog
[11:46] <gnomefreak> hold on a sec
[11:46] <Mithrandir> stefg: I wasn't saying it was without problems.
[11:46] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: it fixes the pata_amd issue
[11:46] <dystopianray> gnomefreak: sort of anyway
[11:46] <Mithrandir> gnomefreak: thanks; topic on #u-k fixed.
[11:46] <gnomefreak> i pulled that from -kernel
[11:46] <gnomefreak> Mithrandir: ty
[11:46] <mc44> gnomefreak: had me worried there dude
[11:47] <mc44> \o/
[11:48] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> oh, and just a question, but why does 7.04 have stuff on the desktop? :x
[11:48] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i don't remember 6.10 having that stuff on install
[11:48] <dystopianray> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: what is it?
[11:48] <stefg> Mithrandir: we'd need some plausibility checking. If the UUID can't be found,it must be 'guessed' by the boot process. you can always edit your bootline to something like /dev/sda1, but entering a UUID is impossible
[11:48] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> 80G Volume, Trash, Home, and File System
[11:48] <gnomefreak> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: xfce?
[11:48] <tapas> oh yay, finally jack output in amarok again by way of manually compiling the damn alsa lib pcm jack plugin
[11:48] <Mithrandir> stefg: apart from that use case, do you know of anything that breaks with UUIDs vs labels?  If not, I suspect the right fix is to make backup/restore scripts cope.
[11:49] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> yeah gnomefreak
[11:49] <yellow_chicken> 7.04 out yet?
[11:49] <Mithrandir> yellow_chicken: no
[11:49] <gnomefreak> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: thats what the xubuntu devels decided to do
[11:49] <xopher> yellow_chicken, 19th is release day
[11:49] <yellow_chicken> it says tomorrow which means 18th
[11:49] <gnomefreak> yellow_chicken: no
[11:49] <mc44> Mithrandir: werent there hibernate problems with UUID you wouldnt get from labels?
[11:49] <tapas> Mithrandir: i once had problems with this UUID stuff, but i forgot what it was
[11:49] <Mithrandir> stefg: I'm thinking grub2 should have a way to say "please use this as my root partition" and then pull the UUID off that partition.  That's slightly pie-in-the-sky however.
[11:49] <tapas> Mithrandir: i changed all my fstab back to labels ;)
[11:50] <Turgon> umode CE
[11:50] <Turgon> (upsy sorry)
[11:50] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> thanks all the people that helped me \o/
[11:50] <Mithrandir> mc44: you mean related to swap and the uuid being regenerated in some cases?  Yes, but that's not really because how UUIDs work, but rather more of a bug.
[11:51] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> sorry if i seemed to "waste your time" earlier :x
[11:51] <tapas> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: nah i was just a bit how do you say "pointy"?
[11:51] <tapas> soz for that..
[11:51] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> no worries
[11:51] <Mithrandir> tapas: sure, if you prefer labels, you're free to use that.
[11:51] <stefg> Mithrandir: so the installer already builds an fstab, and any live distro can autocreate an fstab. what about a dead simple solution, like placing a semaphore in the root of each partiton (root holds a .root 0 byte file, /home holds a .home... and so on)
[11:52] <tapas> yeah one of the area where the ubuntu policy is interpreted right. make good choices, but don't limit the user's choices if hewishes to choose otherwise
[11:52] <tapas> [contrary to the jack dilemma ;)] 
[11:52] <llutz> stefg: what about systems with more than 1 linux-installation?
[11:52] <stefg> llutz: good point... was just an idea
[11:53] <Mithrandir> stefg: you know about the "last-mounted-where" part of ext2/3?  I guess we could use that.
[11:53] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> uhm... is there any way to get the stuff off my desktop? :x
[11:54] <llutz> Mithrandir: that would fix you to ext-fs
[11:54] <mc44> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: what stuff?
[11:54] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Trash, etc
[11:54] <tapas> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: rm ~/Desktop/* -rf [don't!!!] 
[11:54] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Trash and the two hard drives and Home
[11:54] <Mithrandir> llutz: are you sure other file systems doesn't have it too?  And that it's hard to add it?
[11:54] <llutz> Mithrandir: don't know, sry
[11:55] <mc44> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: you can turn them off in gconf
[11:55] <stefg> Mithrandir: i don't have a solution, but i'm shifting around partitions on my system a lot... this UUID crap is more of a pita for me tha it frees me of the necessity to keep track of which is which
[11:55] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> there's nothing in ~/Desktop btw <_<
[11:55] <Mithrandir> stefg: yes, I can understand that, which is why I'm throwing ideas at you to see which ones stick. ;-)
[11:55] <mc44> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: gconf-editor
[11:55] <llutz> stefg: labels are fine, you just need to be carefull not to mix them up
[11:56] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> heh i don't have gconf-editor :x
[11:56] <mc44> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: no it will be installed. Are you on gnome?
[11:56] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Xfce
[11:56] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> xconf-editor, then? :x
[11:56] <mc44> ah, sorry, dont know then
[11:56] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> thanks tho o/
[11:57] <XVampireX> You people stop marketing Feisty as just something with more support for hardware
[11:57] <XVampireX> don't forget the performance increase
[11:58] <dystopianray> XVampireX: what performance increase?
[11:58] <mc44> XVampireX: you probably want #ubuntu-marketing
[11:58] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> btw, i like how i can upgrade my OS and it still has all my settings and stuff ^^
[11:58] <XVampireX> dystopianray: You're silly
[11:58] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Xubuntu 6.10 was the first linux i used; i expected my files to stay, but the theme and desktop image staying is a nice surprise
[11:59] <Tm_Feisty> hi kids
[11:59] <XVampireX> dystopianray: Things just work faster here...
[11:59] <Tm_T> Tm_Feisty: mooh
[12:00] <dystopianray> XVampireX: which things? are you just thinking it's faster or you have performed and objective analysis?
[12:00] <XVampireX> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: Linux is evolutionary, it never stays in the same spot, it always moves, it's a moving target. Microsoft Windows is nothing :P
[12:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> lol mrawr XD
[12:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i like how linux evolved from Red Hat's little boy to Novell's adult woman
[12:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> those commercials are cool :p
[12:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> IBM's little boy*
[12:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> dno why i said RH :x
[12:01] <dystopianray> IBM?
[12:02] <dystopianray> oh the commercials
[12:02] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> yeah, IBM had that child prodigy
[12:02] <XVampireX> dystopianray: If I say that it is faster, and others say it is faster, then it is faster... and trust me, I'm not the only one who says that it is faster
[12:02] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Novell's commercials has the woman Linux talkin' the "Mac" and "PC"
[12:03] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> wow
[12:03] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> SysInfo: Mem: 366/503M [||||||||||] 
[12:03] <dystopianray> XVampireX: no that doesn't mean it's faster, it's likely you're just imaging it or subconciously adopting this opinion to better convince yourself of ubuntu's greatness
[12:03] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Conky says it's 137 o_O
[12:03] <dystopianray> imagining
[12:03] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> in any case, stuff seems faster already
[12:04] <dystopianray> 'seems faster' doesn't cut it, you need objective evidence
[12:04] <void^> certain things are "faster". eg, X11 on nvidia with proper xdamage/backingstore support
[12:04] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> but then, i don't have my two irssi's up and tabs in firefox and all that yet
[12:05] <stefg> Yup, but my impression as well is that feisty is blazingly fast... i spent a lot of time in tuning my dapper, feisty i eems as fast out of the box.... (should it work someday with my DVD-writer :-) )
[12:06] <XVampireX> dystopianray: You are a person who starts with the letter I and ends with the letter t, 5 letters
[12:06] <Mithrandir> XVampireX: no need to be rude.
[12:07] <mc44> !coc | XVampireX
[12:07] <ubotu> XVampireX: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[12:08] <dystopianray> I don't know what word she is referring to
[12:08] <_4strO> lol
[12:08] <tapas> does k3b have some function to print the list of files on a data cd/dvd?
[12:08] <_4strO> i dont too
[12:08] <tapas> or what would be the easiest way to do this?
[12:08] <[miles] > are the iso's pretty much frozen now for release?
[12:08] <dystopianray> tapas: print with a printer you mean?
[12:08] <tapas> dystopianray: yes
[12:08] <mc44> [miles] : prett much
[12:09] <tapas> dystopianray: i supose getting the list of files in textual form is enough. printing i can then do with lpr ;)
[12:09] <[miles] > mc44: mmm so if I grab the iso now... unlikely it's gonna change?
[12:09] <dystopianray> tapas: 'ls' can get you a file listing
[12:09] <gnomefreak> [miles] : correct
[12:09] <gnomefreak> [miles] : it shouldnt change at all
[12:09] <Mithrandir> [miles] : assuming the sky doesn't fall down, the current dailies are what will be the release.
[12:09] <[miles] > LOL
[12:09] <tapas> dystopianray: yes, but not of a k3b project
[12:10] <tapas> dystopianray: only of the finished cd/dvd
[12:10] <[miles] > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[12:10] <dystopianray> tapas: you might be able to use dcop to query the project file list
[12:10] <tapas> dystopianray: btw: haha ;)
[12:10] <[miles] > those ones yeah
[12:10] <tapas> dystopianray: ok. i'll check
[12:11] <gnomefreak> Mithrandir: its a bit early i know. is there a round about time frame when toolchain will be finished?
[12:11] <stefg> Mithrandir: please don't let this be true. I'm suffering from a frustrating regression. kernel 2.6.20-15.25 worked 15.27 does not. Can you iagine how frustrating it is, when the last update before release hoses your ability to go with the stock-kernel? I don't want to care for sources, nvidia, vmware myself....
[12:12] <tapas> damn dcop commandline completion is broken
[12:12] <dystopianray> tapas: try kdcop
[12:12] <tapas> dystopianray: thx
[12:13] <Mithrandir> stefg: which bug # is this?
[12:13] <Mithrandir> gnomefreak: "soon"; I haven't been following it closely.
[12:13] <gnomefreak> Mithrandir: ty
[12:13] <stefg> Mithrandir: gimme s sec... machine slow due to feisty installing in vmware ATM
[12:13] <tapas> dystopianray: hah, great. it works :)
[12:13] <dystopianray> tapas: you can the file list?
[12:14] <tapas> dystopianray: yes
[12:14] <tapas> K3bProject-0.children("/")
[12:14] <stefg> Mithrandir: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/98670
[12:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 98670 in Ubuntu "DVD-Drive locks at startup when using usplash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:15] <tapas> hmm, using kdcop it's easy.. i wonder how this translates to teh dcop commandline call..
[12:15] <Mithrandir> stefg: interesting; I wonder why usplash should have anything to do with it.
[12:16] <tapas> ah got it
[12:16] <tapas> mee stoopid
[12:16] <tapas> dcop k3b K3bProject-0 children /
[12:16] <tapas> :)
[12:16] <mc44> stefg: does it boot without usplash?
[12:16] <Mithrandir> stefg: but the machine works apart from the ten second bootup delay?
[12:16] <tapas> dystopianray: oh well, it's not recursive ;) but that's easy to do i suppose
[12:16] <stefg> Mithrandir: my guess is that it's a timing issue... something with mdadm. the problem lies within initrd, afaik
[12:18] <stefg> Mithrandir: no... i got to keep hammering on the eject button of the DVD during boot... if not, the DVD locks with the error loop. Or if i ommit quiet splash and boot and don't use uspalsh
[12:18] <Mithrandir> stefg: ok, so a simple workaround is to just not enable usplash?
[12:20] <stefg> Mithrandir: seems so... but i'm just about to test the RC... install in vmware just finished, but i'll do a real install next.... and i *want* usplash, i see stupid logs all day, so no need to look at them while booting :-)
[12:21] <mon^rch> wow, my compiz runs better than my mewtacity..
[12:21] <stefg> And i had it working.... i just won't accept that it's taken away from me again :-)
[12:21] <mc44> stefg: the RC uses -15.27 so you problem will likely remain
[12:21] <stefg> Let's see waht the real install gives me
[12:23] <llutz> 2.6.20-15-386 is a non-smp kernel?
[12:23] <Mithrandir> llutz: yes.
[12:23] <llutz> how to use nvidia-glx-new with 15-generic?
[12:23] <stefg> BTW is there any changelog to look at, to figure out the difference between the 25 and 27 build?
[12:24] <dystopianray> stefg: yes
[12:24] <mc44> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-source-2.6.20_2.6.20-15.27/changelog
[12:24] <stefg> thx
[12:24] <osio> has some installed the feisty server version?
[12:24] <osio> hello first
[12:26] <stefg> aha, i think  Revert back to amd74xx and disable the troublesome pata_amd is what makes the difference
[12:26] <bullgard4> Is there a description of gnome-volume-manager?
[12:26] <stefg> seems i need pata_amd
[12:31] <Trewas> feels like freezing the distribution did not touch the kernel this time, fortunately the latest kernels ~broke only frequency scaling for me
[12:32] <osio> thanx guys
[12:33] <XVampireX> dystopianray: Maybe because you use gnome it's not faster for you, but I tried gnome on ubuntu too and it worked pretty fast, faster than on Edgy. I am using Kubuntu Feisty Fawn right now,  and just like many others, I'm not the only one with an increased performance "feeling"
[12:33] <dystopianray> XVampireX: I don't use gnome
[12:33] <dystopianray> XVampireX: I am also using kubuntu
[12:33] <XVampireX> Even one of the people ASKED me, before I could tell him, that feisty is faster...
[12:34] <Mithrandir> XVampireX: speaking about performance without actually measuring it is pointless.
[12:34] <XVampireX> "Didn't you notice the performance increase" or something like that
[12:34] <dystopianray> I suspect it's a case of it feeling faster becuase you want it to be faster
[12:34] <XVampireX> Mithrandir: As pointless as living for you
[12:34] <XVampireX> What the f?
[12:34] <XVampireX> Even beryl in many different effects worked sluggish for me
[12:35] <XVampireX> now I'm using it... and everything is working fine.
[12:35] <XVampireX> You're denying the truth or something
[12:35] <mc44> XVampireX: stop insulting people
[12:35] <XVampireX> He's insulting me
[12:36] <XVampireX> Saying that I don't know what I'm talking about
[12:36] <XVampireX> and that others don't know what they are talking about
[12:36] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: just stop please and i didnt see him insullt you.
[12:36] <XVampireX> The person who mentioned it first is also a game programmer
[12:36] <XVampireX> So you're denying someone who KNOWS, that it's faster.
[12:37] <mc44> XVampireX: no, we are saying you should stop making personal attacks
[12:37] <XVampireX> Now you're denying that he's attacking me, cool fellas you are
[12:37] <meng> is there a way to keep resolv.conf settings permenant?
[12:38] <dystopianray> XVampireX: I am not attacking you, i'm merely saying that I suspect much of the 'it's faster' feelings are more psychological than factual
[12:38] <dystopianray> meng: chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf
[12:38] <Mithrandir> XVampireX: I'm telling you to measure, I'm not saying you're wrong or right.
[12:38] <XVampireX> I don't want to measure because I know...
[12:39] <mc44> XVampireX: good. Now this is a support channel, so please stop the discussion
[12:39] <gnomefreak> good than it ends here.
[12:40] <stefg> is the login on stgraber.org related to my launchpad account or do i need to register first ?
[12:40] <finalbeta> 5 seconds before I crashed Rhythmbox today. To easy.
[12:40] <Mithrandir> stefg: you need to register.
[12:40] <dystopianray> what is stgraber.org?
[12:41] <Mithrandir> dystopianray: https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ ; current home of our ISO tests
[12:41] <dystopianray> oh that's right
[12:46] <stefg> Hmm. but i think there's no point in stating that the vmware install of desktop-i386 with auto-partitioning just went perfect.... let's see waht it does on the real machine
[12:48] <Assim> so will feisty be ready for tomorrow ?
[12:48] <Mithrandir> Assim: looks like it.
[12:49] <PriceChild> Mithrandir, woo :)
[12:49] <Mithrandir> but it's not released before it's released.
[12:49] <PriceChild> arg was waiting for that one...
[12:49] <tatters> my syslog is continually reporting [ 5957.012819]  keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240,
[12:49] <Assim> hehe
[12:49] <mc44> PriceChild: we really need a factoid for all the poeple who will ask that today :)
[12:49] <Mithrandir> PriceChild: I'm not going to jinx it by saying "yes, it will be released tomorrow" and then have it blow up in my face.
[12:49] <Assim> guess th upgrade server is gonna get hammered tomorrow
[12:49] <PriceChild> out yet is <reply> GO AWAY!!!
[12:50] <mc44> exactly :)
[12:50] <PriceChild> Mithrandir, hehe :)
[12:50] <PriceChild> Assim, If you're going to be upgrading... I suggest doing it today ;)
[12:50] <PriceChild> Assim, of course if it breaks its not my fault!!!
[12:50] <gnomefreak> tomorrow is also a relative term seeing as tomorrow is different for people
[12:50] <stefg> is there a 'cheatcode' for the installer to tell him to use an .iso on hd. Would like to speed up installation by not burning on CD and installing from there
[12:50] <PriceChild> !install
[12:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[12:50] <mellow_bunny> tomorrow is only 1:10mins away
[12:50] <PriceChild> I think there's a way to install from hard drive in that first link
[12:51] <Assim> will edgy see it automaticaly or is there somthing i need to type in ?
[12:51] <Mithrandir> mellow_bunny: not for me and I'm the release manager.
[12:51] <mellow_bunny> aww
[12:51] <stefg> let's see
[12:51] <mc44> Assim: it will be automatic
[12:51] <PriceChild> Assim, edgy should see it fine... but dapper will stay as it is afaik (because of lts)
[12:51] <mc44> *transports
[12:51] <davidw> damn... this stupid rt61 card is being a PITA with my FON thing:-(
[12:51] <jrib> stefg: up up left right,  seriously, I think you should be able to mount the .iso and use it as a repository
[12:52] <stefg> jrib: you mean press 'cursor up' twice then left right?
[12:53] <mellow_bunny> lovely instructions XD
[12:53] <mellow_bunny> i need abigger harddrive.. or another laptop for ubuntu
[12:53] <Assim> I have kubuntu edgy installed over the top of ubuntu edgy will the upgrade install everything i need to keep both ?
[12:53] <lan3y> Will feisty be able to install grub to a sata drive (windows) if i'm installing it to an ide?
[12:53] <mellow_bunny> it saddens me that i still cling to windows for adobe
[12:54] <jrib> stefg: yes, but the number of seconds since unix epoch must be 0 modulo 77 so you have to do it at the right time
[12:54] <stefg> jrib: are you seriuos?
[12:54] <jrib> Assim: yes as long as you have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop you should be ok
[12:55] <Assim> yeah i just installed kubuntu vis synaptic :-)
[12:55] <mellow_bunny> is ruby inlcuded in the ubuntu repositories at all?
[12:55] <mellow_bunny> *ruby on rails
[12:55] <jrib> stefg: are you seriously asking me if I am serious? :P
[12:55] <PriceChild> bad op jrib! :)
[12:55] <stefg> jrib... i wasn
[12:55] <stefg> 't sure
[12:56] <jrib> stefg: oh, sorry.  I was serious about the mounting thing, but not serious about the cheat code
[12:56] <dystopianray> oh linux cheat codes,i have plenty
[12:56] <neonlinux> iddqd :)
[12:56] <dystopianray> ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:57] <mc44> oh dear
[01:00] <dystopianray> the best thing about feisty is the new laptop battery icon
[01:01] <_4strO> lol dystopianray
[01:01] <_4strO> the networkmanager icon too :)
[01:01] <dystopianray> _4strO: seriously, the old one only showed 4 levels, it was useless, i couldn't tell if I had 70% or 50% battery level
[01:02] <stefg> nahh. the best thing in feisty is that there's a decent collection of non-pooh themes included now :-)
[01:03] <neonlinux> umm... will e17 look better in feisty release? lol
[01:03] <PriceChild> The best thing about Feisty is that it marks the beginning of Gutsy
[01:03] <dystopianray> for gutsy they should replace the human theme with one called 'simian'
[01:05] <stefg> just to avoid that people nickname the gutsy gibbon theme 'apesh*t' ?
[01:05] <_4strO> dystopianray: never be focus on this pb, i always be on the sector :p
[01:06] <_4strO> and then my battery icon is always full
[01:06] <neonlinux> what are the names going to be once zippy zebra is reached
[01:06] <AnRkey> hi all
[01:06] <dystopianray> neonlinux: they're not in alphabetical order
[01:06] <AnRkey> Well even my wife is testing now and she is please as punch
[01:06] <mc44> neonlinux: 1 1, 22 etc :)
[01:06] <mc44> dystopianray: they pretty much are now
[01:07] <neonlinux> mc44: lol
[01:07] <_4strO> dapper, edgy, feisty
[01:07] <dystopianray> mc44: is thre going to be another 'h' name?
[01:07] <neonlinux> dystopianray: i thought they had adapted an alpabetical theme
[01:07] <stefg> neonlinux: then it continus with UTF-8 letters... or umlauts... ngsty ardvark
[01:07] <neonlinux> lol
[01:07] <mc44> dystopianray: probably not, but after that! :)
[01:07] <neonlinux> stefg: bring on ngsty
[01:08] <mellow_bunny> may as well call it the emo release
[01:08] <PriceChild> whoa mc44 everyone's asking you now :)
[01:08] <Mithrandir> neonlinux: one we reach zenful zebra, we have archived nirvana and there will be no further need for development. :-P
[01:08] <mc44> PriceChild: if only I had control of naming policy. Now to find $500 million
[01:09] <PriceChild> :)
[01:09] <dystopianray> Mithrandir: archived it?
[01:09] <Mithrandir> achieved, even
[01:09] <neonlinux> so.. u mean e17 will be released by then too :)
[01:09] <mc44> Mithrandir: also it will be in about a decade :)
[01:09] <Mithrandir> that's what I get for working too much with the archive. :-)
[01:09] <mc44> and Linux will rule the world
[01:09] <mc44> or something
[01:09] <jrib> mc44: ubuntu will just add new letters to the alphabet at that point
[01:09] <neonlinux> or microsoft will be assimilated
[01:10] <dystopianray> microsoft will own linux
[01:10] <Assimilator> :P
[01:10] <mellow_bunny> *gasp*
[01:10] <poorenglish_> the real goal of Canonical, its 12.04 "Microsoft Windows", end of the world
[01:10] <neonlinux> dystopianray: its the microsoft way right... to by anything better than itself?
[01:10] <mc44> that would involve going back in time
[01:10] <dystopianray> neonlinux: pretty much
[01:10] <dystopianray> when they go to 'buy out' linux they're just going to go trash linus' office
[01:11] <neonlinux> lol.. simpsons memory
[01:11] <Assimilator> ok as what i gotta type to upgrade early ?
[01:11] <neonlinux> so i guess the next question would be.. whos microsofts next sco puppet
[01:12] <dystopianray> neonlinux: novell
[01:12] <neonlinux> eww !
[01:12] <PriceChild> !upgrade > Assimilator
[01:12] <_4strO> ^^
[01:12] <dystopianray> novell is already saying that windows is better than linux
[01:12] <Assimilator> heh bot it broken
[01:13] <dystopianray> !upgrade
[01:13] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:13] <PriceChild> !test
[01:13] <ubotu> Failed.
[01:13] <mc44> Assimilator: broken?
[01:13] <Assimilator> !upgrade > Kubuntulator
[01:13] <mellow_bunny> !upgrade | Assimilator
[01:13] <ubotu> Assimilator: please see above
[01:13] <mellow_bunny> XD
[01:13] <Assimilator> heh
[01:14] <Kubuntulator> !upgrade
[01:14] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:14] <neonlinux> hypothetically... if ms code did somehow get into linux (kernel).. and had ben in there for a while.. and ms decided to start pulling legal.. what would we do as a linux comunity?
[01:14] <Kubuntulator> thats better
[01:14] <PriceChild> neonlinux, we would say no?
[01:14] <Mithrandir> neonlinux: remove the code?
[01:14] <mellow_bunny> burn ms
[01:14] <mellow_bunny> we would rebel?
[01:14] <Mithrandir> if it was put in there without their consent.
[01:14] <PriceChild> mc44, could you message a factoid to me to check.
[01:14] <PriceChild> Hehe that's probably a better idea...
[01:14] <mc44> !ohmy > PriceChild
[01:14] <PriceChild> hmm works :s
[01:16] <bobesponja> is there a difference between last night iso build and tomorrow's official iso release?
[01:16] <mc44> bobesponja: hopefully not
[01:16] <neonlinux> ok... was just a thought.. after reading through the sco stuff it kinda makes me think what would actually happen if someone like sco came along and had a legit claim
[01:17] <bobesponja> mc44: are they still changing some stuff or will it be just the same?
[01:17] <mc44> bobesponja: it should be the same, assuming nothing goes wrong
[01:17] <bullgard4> How to copy an audio CD to another audio CD using Feisty and Gnome?
[01:17] <mc44> You'll be able to tell if Mithrandir starts swearing
[01:18] <bobesponja> ok :)
[01:18] <bobesponja> mc44: why? is he a developper or did he install last night build?
[01:18] <mc44> bobesponja: he is the release manager, or possibly a robot. who knows
[01:19] <mellow_bunny> i like to think of him as a robot
[01:19] <mellow_bunny> possibly evil, most likely obsessed with his pants
[01:19] <mc44> pants off!
[01:19] <dystopianray> feisty has cdrkit?
[01:19] <stefg> ok, so i'm looking at the CD bootscreen now. what was the cheatcode to tell the installer to use 'ubuntu-desktop-i386.iso' on hdc7 ?
[01:19] <mc44> dystopianray: wodim i think
[01:21] <stefg> jrib ?
[01:22] <dystopianray> i wish ubuntu had more OO.org dictionaries by default
[01:23] <Patrick_> hey guys trying to get sound to work on my laptop any ideas
[01:24] <dystopianray> Patrick_: is it intel-hda audio?
[01:24] <stefg> any boot parameter to add like 'fromhd=/dev/hda7' ,knoppix-like. Don't want to wait hours
[01:24] <[miles] > http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down&page=0 <--- :-O  most people want KDE to look like OSX or Windows XP eh LMFAO
[01:24] <Patrick_> dystopianray, I dont think so, but how would I find out
[01:24] <xopher> heheh, hope they choose osx
[01:24] <dystopianray> Patrick_: if you run 'alsamixer' it should tell you what soundcard you have
[01:25] <llutz> they not only want it to look like, most also want it to behave like XP :(
[01:25] <kjetilk_> It seems my laptop needs an acerhk kernel module
[01:25] <kjetilk_> it seems to be in the latest kernel
[01:25] <dystopianray> hey ubuntu has hyphenation dictionaries again!
[01:26] <kjetilk_> but modprobing it says "cannot allocate memory"
[01:26] <stefg> !install
[01:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[01:27] <stefg> !seen jrib
[01:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jrib - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <stefg> stupid bot!
[01:28] <kjetilk_> There seems to be a problem with compiling the module with recent kernels: http://my.opera.com/csant/blog/2006/12/23/acerhk-on-recent-kernels
[01:28] <kjetilk_> has the module in Ubuntu been patched for this problem?
[01:30] <Mithrandir> kjetilk_: that's just for compiling the userspace bits; acerhk as such is in the regular kernel images.
[01:30] <kjetilk_> Mithrandir: mmm, ok
[01:31] <jrib> stefg: what's up?
[01:31] <Patrick_> dystopianray, the card part in alsamixer says HDA ATI SB and the chip part says Conexant ID 2bfa
[01:31] <kjetilk_> Mithrandir: so, any idea what's causing the cannot allocate memory message?
[01:31] <freshmouse> Hello. I don't want to wait to 19th April, but I'd like to download Ubuntu FF CD now. I've a question: is the CD in the final stage? I'm affraid of changes on the CD (I will have to download again).
[01:31] <dystopianray> Patrick_: ok that looks like intel-hda, intel-hda is pretty screwed in feisty
[01:32] <mellow_bunny> not able to do net upgrades freshmouse ?
[01:32] <dystopianray> freshmouse: you won't have to download again if it changes, just use rsync to get a diff
[01:32] <freshmouse> (I do the upgrade by apt-get, but I also download the CD.)
[01:32] <apokryphos> !upgrade
[01:32] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:32] <Patrick_> dystopianray, will there be a fix available for tomorrow do you think
[01:32] <stefg> jrib: so i booted the desktop CD... is there a way to either boot already from an iso, or at least push the .iso-image to installer, so that it won't use the physical drive?
[01:32] <dystopianray> Patrick_: no
[01:32] <Patrick_> dystopianray, never
[01:33] <freshmouse> On my PC, I do the upgrade over PC, but I need the CD for anyone.
[01:33] <jrib> stefg: hmm so you are doing a fresh install instead of an upgrade?
[01:33] <dystopianray> Patrick_: but there are intel-hda related fixes coming in a feisty update at some point
[01:33] <freshmouse> * over apt-get, sorry
[01:33] <freshmouse> On my PC, I do the upgrade over _apt-get_
[01:34] <_4strO> freshmouse: ?
[01:34] <Patrick_> dystopianray, I wont have to wait long I hope, strangely my wifi card started working today so who knows
[01:34] <stefg> jrib: yup, that's my point. i have a half broken feisty install on my playground. this will be overwritten with a fresh install now
[01:34] <mc44> freshmouse: you shouldnt use apt-get to upgrade to a new release
[01:34] <Mithrandir> kjetilk_: no, not really, I don't have an acer.
[01:34] <Kubuntulator> hmm i cant see an upgrade option in Update manager ?
[01:34] <freshmouse> mc44: Why not? I can use it.
[01:34] <mc44> freshmouse: using update-manager is safer
[01:34] <stefg> all i want to know if it's possible to make casper use an .iso instead of a physical drive
[01:34] <freshmouse> _4strO: typing error
[01:35] <kjetilk_> Mithrandir: ok, this is a Compal, BTW (I was unlucky enough to buy from whitebox as they went belly-up)
[01:35] <Mithrandir> kjetilk_: ugh; never liked that company..
[01:35] <jrib> stefg: ah that seems more difficult.  What desktop cd is this?
[01:35] <Mithrandir> stefg: no, but if you put /casper on a vfat partition, that'll work.
[01:36] <freshmouse> mc44: OK, it is not important.
[01:36] <kjetilk_> Mithrandir: yeah, but they were one of the few that would sell without windows...
[01:36] <_4strO> freshmouse: well , what is the pb ?
[01:37] <stefg> ok... lets forget that for a moment... but any knoppix flavour can do that for ages: just pass 'fromhd=dev/hdc7' and it will look in the rootdir for the.iso and use that. I'll make that a feature request
[01:37] <freshmouse> _4strO: There is no problem. :-) I just want to know if the CD could be changed before final release (4/19).
[01:37] <Mithrandir> kjetilk_: best I can offer is asking you to file a bug about it.
[01:37] <mc44> freshmouse: yes it could be.
[01:37] <mc44> freshmouse: but probably wont be
[01:38] <freshmouse> mc44: OK, thanks.
[01:39] <Kubuntulator> I cant see an upgrade option in Update manager ? how do I fix that ?
[01:39] <mc44> Kubuntulator: sudo update-manager -d
[01:39] <mc44> Kubuntulator: however if you are on kubuntu it is different
[01:40] <_4strO> ha ok freshmouse:p
[01:40] <kjetilk_> Mithrandir: ok!
[01:40] <Kubuntulator> ok will it help if i switch over to gnome
[01:40] <freshmouse> _4strO: ?
[01:40] <mc44> Kubuntulator: probably not. read the instructions at
[01:40] <mc44> !upgrade
[01:40] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:40] <laichzeit> freshmouse, where did you download your .iso for the cd from?
[01:40] <[miles] > guys, whats the deal with things like FlashPlayer on 64bit now?
[01:41] <Kubuntulator> yeah not very forth comming
[01:41] <[miles] > I tried a couple of months ago, but reverted to i386
[01:41] <freshmouse> laichzeit: ubuntu.com, of course
[01:41] <[miles] > I got too frustrated with desktop issues with 64bit... things improved?
[01:42] <mc44> flash player still wont work natively, no
[01:42] <laichzeit> freshmouse, only shows 6.10 for download
[01:42] <[miles] > mmm ok thats a shame
[01:42] <mc44> [miles] : blame adobe :)
[01:42] <freshmouse> laichzeit: The 7.04 will be released tommorow.
[01:42] <[miles] > I do, don't worry
[01:43] <laichzeit> freshmouse, damn, was hoping there would be a daily .iso built..
[01:43] <[miles] > and Skype, and real networks, and all the others
[01:43] <freshmouse> laichzeit: Mmnt.
[01:43] <mc44> laichzeit: see cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:44] <freshmouse> laichzeit: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd5
[01:44] <[miles] > I've just downloaded the fesity rc... I hope it does not change now :-|
[01:45] <freshmouse> laichzeit: or better http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/
[01:45] <stefg> oh... this migration tool i s so ridiculous... could it be that i want migrate a /linux/-homedir from another install, not friggin' IE-favorites... ts,ts
[01:45] <Kubuntulator> Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[01:46] <Kubuntulator> what does that mean ?
[01:46] <dystopianray> Kubuntulator: bzip2 failed
[01:46] <mellow_bunny> 13 packages left >_>
[01:47] <png> theres a problem at totemplayer 2.18.1 while tryin to play a movie with a subtitle.  it works fine without subtitle file (srt)
[01:47] <Kubuntulator> why would it fail ?
[01:49] <dystopianray> Kubuntulator: something wrong witht he mirror i suspect, give it half an hour or so and try again
[01:49] <Kubuntulator> oh ok
[01:51] <BluesKaj> is there a rule of thumb how large the / partition vs the /home partition should be ...I do a lot of video editing etc and need lots of disk space for storing these files til they are burned to dvd .
[01:52] <stefg> BluesKaj: 5gb root should be fine
[01:53] <stefg> so use the other 245 gb for your video
[01:53] <BluesKaj> stefg, that's enuff to hold the OS and peripherals ?
[01:54] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: standard instal is ~2GB
[01:54] <BluesKaj> ok, thx gents
[01:54] <stefg> BluesKaj: a default fesity install totals to around 2.5 gb installed files... you need space for apt,tmp and logs... that's it.
[01:54] <Kubuntulator> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16239/
[01:55] <BluesKaj> ok so to give it some headroom a 10G partition for / is plenty then ?
[01:55] <stefg> yup#
[01:55] <Kubuntulator> can some one check that out
[01:57] <dystopianray> Kubuntulator: the dbus and X errors are unrelated
[01:57] <Kubuntulator> oh but are they bad ?
[01:57] <dystopianray> Kubuntulator: they are from the wacom devices that ubuntu puts in xorg.conf by default
[01:58] <Kubuntulator> have to noticed them before
[01:58] <Kubuntulator> is it somthing I need to fix ?
[01:59] <dystopianray> Kubuntulator: no it's not a problem it's just saying you don't have those input devices
[01:59] <dystopianray> Kubuntulator: the dbus error however, that is more serious i think
[01:59] <Kubuntulator> ok what should i do ?
[01:59] <dystopianray> Kubuntulator: I'm not really sure
[01:59] <Kubuntulator> heh
[02:00] <Kubuntulator> ask in #ubuntu
[02:00] <kjetilk_> Uh, ouch, the acerhk kernel module actually says that it find a "bios routine" for my wireless kill switch
[02:01] <kjetilk_> anyone know of other things that deals with such kill switches?
[02:01] <laichzeit> cdimage.ubuntu.com is dog slow
[02:02] <stefg> no... saturates my 16 MBit line
[02:02] <stefg> err 1,6
[02:03] <stefg> maybe my ISP has the ubuntu images already in his cache :-)
[02:05] <dystopianray> or maybe you're stealing the last of the bandwidth
[02:05] <stefg> no... i'm already installing ... and chatting on IRC won't eat up bandwith on cdimages.ubuntu.com :-)
[02:07] <meng> er i need help with the resolv.conf
[02:08] <stefg> but i'm bored to agony by this CD install... where to put feature requests? Launchpad?
[02:08] <meng> i need to save the nameserver entry to something else
[02:09] <meng> but every reboot reset this to my router's
[02:09] <meng> please help?
[02:09] <dystopianray> meng: dhcp is overwriting it
[02:10] <meng> so i need to make it permanent ip?
[02:10] <laichzeit> are there any mirrors for cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[02:10] <dystopianray> meng: i think you can configure dhclient to not change resolv.conf
[02:10] <meng> howto?
[02:11] <dystopianray> meng: i'm not really sure, maybe look at the man page
[02:11] <meng> what's the file to configure?
[02:11] <AdministratorX> Good Morning from Marietta, GA
[02:12] <dystopianray> meng: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[02:12] <dystopianray> meng: dhclient.conf has it's own man page
[02:14] <Patrick_> hey guys having a problem when I log of the screen just stays blank?? and I have to hold down the power button to turn the laptop off
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> Patrick_, have you updated?
[02:14] <nomasteryoda> and restarted
[02:14] <Patrick_> yes
[02:15] <nomasteryoda> as for the power button, might want to use Ctrl+Alt+SysRq (under printscrn button) +K for sync and kill processes.. then same but "b" isntead of k
[02:16] <nomasteryoda> safer way to reboot hung system
[02:16] <shawn34> Patrick_, don't do that
[02:16] <Patrick_> ok
[02:16] <Patrick_> then what could be causing this problem
[02:16] <shawn34> Patrick_, you could switch to another terminal and restart from command line, or restart the gdm
[02:16] <nomasteryoda> not if you can't switch to another term
[02:17] <shawn34> its happened to me before
[02:17] <nomasteryoda> i've seen this work well with kdm... it kills the hung kdm, then restarts it .. similar to the ctrl+alt+bkspc
[02:17] <Patrick_> it happens everytime
[02:17] <nomasteryoda> sounds like acpi hangs
[02:18] <Patrick_> is there a solution
[02:18] <nomasteryoda> i would look at the system logs (/var/log/syslog) to see what happened
[02:18] <nomasteryoda> what m/b do you have?
[02:18] <dystopianray> how do i change my default editor to vim?
[02:19] <llutz> dystopianray: edit env-variable EDITOR
[02:19] <dystopianray> llutz: no you have to use update-alternatives, but i'm not sure exactly how
[02:19] <Patrick_> nomasteryoda, Im using a brand new acer laptop
[02:19] <CarinArr> Patrick_: i had that on edgy, don't in feisty
[02:20] <Patrick_> nightmare
[02:20] <CarinArr> Patrick_: have you tried rebooting with acpi off?
[02:20] <CarinArr> see if it does the same
[02:20] <Patrick_> CarinArr, how to turn acpi off
[02:21] <CarinArr> Patrick_: when you reboot, in grub, you hit e to edit, and just stick acpi=off at the end of the line
[02:21] <shawn34> Any good howto's on syncing windows based pocket pc with Kontact?
[02:21] <Patrick_> ok
[02:22] <nomasteryoda> ah, that newness might be the issue... but the acpi=off is most likely to help determine
[02:23] <stefg> oh great.... installing the feisty RC: activating compiz means losing window borders, had to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to get a proper resolution ... hmmmm, this is more buggy than the beta for me
[02:24] <stefg> not to mention the DVD-writer bug
[02:24] <llutz> dystopianray: update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/vi vi /usr/bin/vim 1 && update-alternatives --set vi /usr/bin/vim
[02:24] <dystopianray> stefg: what dvd writer bug?
[02:25] <llutz> dystopianray: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91
[02:25] <dystopianray> llutz: well i worked it and that isn't quite correct
[02:25] <stefg> the one i talked about before... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/98670
[02:25] <ubotu> Malone bug 98670 in Ubuntu "DVD-Drive locks at startup when using usplash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:25] <dystopianray> llutz: update-alternatives --set editor /usr/bin/vim.basic
[02:27] <valehru> I think that bug has been around since Dapper....lol
[02:28] <valehru> im trying to run the rails console via script/console but I get the error: ./script/../config/../vendor/rails/railties/lib/commands/console.rb:25:in `exec': No such file or directory
[02:28] <valehru> figured it out, what is up with feisty and no resolving links eh?  sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/bin/irb  got it sorted out
[02:28] <valehru> the same problem happened with mysql today as well
[02:28] <valehru> really strange
[02:28] <stefg> valehru: true... but i'm tired of running my own kernel, caring for the related stuff like nvidia and vmware. Wasn't etch released recently :-) ?
[02:28] <valehru> oh well
[02:29] <valehru> stefg, yeah, I think that Ill be changing very very soon..
[02:29] <valehru> although I like how feisty handles some things, like scim and language support, made it a complete breeze for me here in China....
[02:29] <valehru> wonder how Debian will compare
[02:30] <valehru> not worried about anything else really
[02:30] <dystopianray> stefg: oh i thought you meant an error with writing dvds
[02:30] <valehru> haha
[02:30] <Patrick_> anyone know what would be causing my laptop to hang when I log off
[02:31] <nomasteryoda> Patrick_, have you tried this
[02:31] <nomasteryoda> switch to a terminal... say F1
[02:31] <AdministratorX> Patrick: Do you think it might be ACPI
[02:31] <Patrick_> not to sure
[02:31] <nomasteryoda> Ctrl+alt+F1 (F7 being your normal Gui one)
[02:31] <nomasteryoda> then login
[02:32] <nomasteryoda> then type sudo halt
[02:32] <nomasteryoda> just to see if that works
[02:32] <Patrick_> nomasteryoda, i cant do anything once I press log out except for holding down the power button
[02:32] <nomasteryoda> if so, then its something to do with the gui
[02:32] <nomasteryoda> no
[02:32] <nomasteryoda> i know that
[02:33] <nomasteryoda> if you switch to a terminal First
[02:33] <nomasteryoda> to confirm its at a deeper level than the gui
[02:33] <Patrick_> ok
[02:34] <AdministratorX> Or try acpi=off in your menu.lst file
[02:36] <Patrick_> yes sudo halt works
[02:37] <Patrick_> when I do ctrl + alt + F1 and login
[02:37] <stefg> So my impression is that things went worse, not better, compared to the beta release.... regarding the edgy and dapper release i'd say ubuntu is building up a tradition in messing up releases in the last minute
[02:37] <AdministratorX> try acpi=off in your menu.lst file
[02:37] <AdministratorX> try acpi=off in your menu.lst file
[02:37] <Patrick_> ok
[02:38] <Patrick_> where is that?
[02:39] <llutz> Patrick_:/boot/grub/menu.lst  that will prevent the kernel from using energysaving etc.pp. not recommended for normal usage on a laptop
[02:39] <Patrick_> oh
[02:39] <Patrick_> so it would be a bad idea
[02:39] <Patrick_> I would love a distro thats just ready to go
[02:41] <DanglyBits> having problem with firefox shutting down when going to cnn.com anyone else have this issue?
[02:41] <meal3837> ok, so, my dvd drive can't finish extended reads . . . my gut says broken drive, but dvd::rip suggested a problem with my libdvdread install
[02:41] <meal3837> DanglyBits, i've had problems with ff randomly shutting down on media intense pages before
[02:42] <nomasteryoda> it will restart with last page you opened
[02:42] <AdministratorX> DanglyBits: I am not having that issue
[02:42] <neonlinux> DanglyBits: sorry dude.. no prob here
[02:42] <meal3837> DanglyBits, It's been a while, though
[02:43] <robertj> what's the equivalent of <pre> on the wiki?
[02:44] <AdministratorX> DanglyBits: Don't forget you always have the option of using the Opera Web Browser
[02:44] <meal3837> is anyone familiar with that bug they had with g965 chipsets?
[02:45] <meal3837> as far as the PATA controller
[02:45] <neonlinux> meal3837: bug?
[02:46] <meal3837> it's "fixed," at least so that you can get feisty installed, but the ICH8 southbridge doesn't include PATA support, and the 2.6.17 kernel didn't like a lot of the 3rd party PATA controllers that were put on these boards
[02:47] <meal3837> i think they fixed it with 2.6.20-15?
[02:49] <meal3837> i was going to ask if they actually found a driver to work with the PATA controller, but i ran lsmod and saw PATA_MARVELL
[02:49] <Patrick_> AdministratorX, that "acpi=off" line doesnt do anything, no difference
[02:50] <meal3837> Patrick_: were you trying to build gentoo last night?
[02:50] <Patrick_> meal3837, yep
[02:50] <meal3837> Patrick_: i was catduck, i think
[02:50] <meal3837> funny
[02:51] <AdministratorX> Patrick: Sorry to here that, It was the only thing I could think of that might be related to the shutdown problem
[02:51] <meal3837> having trouble with actually getting it to shut off?
[02:52] <meal3837> AdministratorX: isn't there a command like acpi=force, or something like that?
[02:53] <mips> Any idea why I cannot install grub to (hd0,2) but only to (hd0) ???
[02:55] <AdministratorX> meal3837: I think you are right about that, not sure about the syntax
[02:55] <RawSewage> how many more hours until release
[02:56] <meal3837> AdministratorX: i had that prob on my old comp, i wound up reading some google hits from other distros to solve it . . . yay
[02:56] <PriceChild> RawSewage, released when its released
[02:57] <RawSewage> ...
[02:57] <AdministratorX> yeah, same here, that's how I find alot of fixes also.
[02:58] <PriceChild> RawSewage, there is no specific point in time we're aiming for...
[02:58] <RawSewage> ok
[02:58] <PriceChild> RawSewage, when it is ready, it will be released
[03:01] <stefg> So why is it that metacity works with compiz on my feisty install, that was installed from the beta and upgraded, but fails on a fresh install from the RC -CD?
[03:01] <meal3837> Patrick_: try acpi=force as an option in your grub
[03:01] <meal3837> AdministratorX: I actually found it in an ubuntu forum this time
[03:02] <meal3837> metacity doesn't work with compiz at all, does it?
[03:02] <meal3837> aren't they seperate window managers?
[03:02] <steg_freshfeisty> It did... on the beta
[03:02] <nomasteryoda> no, compiz is like a layer
[03:03] <meal3837> i guess i'm confused, since they're both listed as window managers in my beryl menu
[03:03] <nomasteryoda> ya
[03:03] <gord> metacity and compiz are both 'window managers' they can not run at the same time. compiz does however use a 'gtk-window decorator' which is essentially the same as what metacity uses as well and thus looks the same
[03:04] <steg_freshfeisty> so i have two fesity installs on this box now... this one, unencumbered and pristine as put by the installer, and another one which was updated from the beta over time. They behave totally different,  ???
[03:05] <mips> Any idea why I cannot install grub to (hd0,2) but only to (hd0) ???
[03:06] <stefg> hd0 is a disk, hd0,2 is a partition
[03:06] <PriceChild> mips, grub gets installed to the mbr at the start of a disk, not a partition
[03:07] <PriceChild> mips, the bios can only read a certain amount into a disc to boot from so it has to be at the physical start
[03:08] <mips> PriceChild, I use GAG on my MBR. Wiht Debian Etch I installed Grub to a partition, no problem.
[03:09] <mips> PriceChild, GAG then points to the partition of Etch and Grub loads
[03:10] <PriceChild> I haven't got a clue on that :)
[03:10] <meal3837> <<doesn't want to go to class today :(
[03:10] <meal3837> anyone want to call my college and tell them i'm dying from . . . terrorists or something?
[03:11] <AdministratorX> GAG: Is The Graphical Boot Manager (Current Version 4.8)
[03:11] <nomasteryoda> meal3837, that's bad... and sad
[03:11] <meal3837> that acronym makes no sense
[03:11] <mips> meal3837, dont be so slack, make use of your oppertunities as there are many less fortunate
[03:11] <AdministratorX> I prefer Grub myself.
[03:12] <meal3837> yeah, yeah, i know . . . but it's business law
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> mips, if anymore morons try what happened at VA Tech, then telelearning will be the way to go...
[03:13] <elkbuntu> guys, lets keep on-topic shall we?
[03:15] <mips> GAG is a breeze to setup compared to Grub
[03:15] <meal3837> topic drift = my fault . . . apologies
[03:16] <meal3837> btw, i've been newsless for about 3 days . . . was completely unaware of the VAtech thicg, sorry abou that too, i'm not really that tasteless
[03:23] <maddler> hi all...
[03:23] <maddler> I'm trying to upgrade to Feisty using adept-manager... but no Version Upgrade button... I followed instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[03:23] <maddler> any clue?
[03:26] <BluesKaj> i know this an obvious question but did you add this to your sources list : deb [WWW]  http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-pre-feisty-upgrade/ edgy main
[03:26] <mips> Upand did you do step 4
[03:30] <maddler> BluesKaj: yep...
[03:30] <maddler> BluesKaj: added and double checked...
[03:31] <Exien> Hi, I have a quick question because I'm not sure if my problem is with Feisty but for some reason my wlan messes up sometimes. First let me explain my set up. I have a Broadcom wireless card installed with ndiswraper 1.9. I can connect to the wireless network fine, and I can use the internet fine. The problem is that sometimes, I'm not sure how or why it won't connect to local hosts (such as 192.168.1.XXX) and then other times it won't resolve any domain na
[03:31] <Exien> mes (such as google.com) and I have to restart for the issue to be fixed. Would this be an issue with Feisty? It never happened to me with Edgy so that's why I'm wondering. Thanks
[03:31] <Turgon> I have Ubuntu 6.10 right now. If I download the live CD to test if Feisty works for me, can I use the CD to upgrade from it? If I can, I suppose it is done by adding the CD to "Software Origins", in the "Other providers" tab, isn't it?
[03:31] <maddler> btw... even using Upgrade Manager I won't get anithing about a new release
[03:31] <maddler> Turgon: yes, you can...
[03:31] <shirish> evening everybody :)
[03:32] <maddler> well... you actually need the "alternate" cd...
[03:32] <spheard> hello, How do I stop kde from starting at boot?
[03:32] <maddler> turgon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[03:33] <Turgon> K, thanks. I'll read that (I only wanted to save bandwidth, tomorrow surely will be a bit crammed XD )
[03:33] <Exien> Like right now for example, I'm connected to the internet fine but I can't ping another host inside my network (Which I was able to earlier and if I restart I will most likely be able to)
[03:33] <ferret_0568> My wireless with manual IP configuration, ie, no roaming mode, is not working
[03:34] <ferret_0568> nm-applet says manual configuration
[03:34] <ferret_0568> What could be wrong?
[03:34] <ferret_0568> With automatic config, it works
[03:35] <Exien> ferret_0568, Are you clicking on the nm-applet icon and then going to manual configuration?
[03:35] <ferret_0568> Yes
[03:35] <Exien> ferret_0568, From what I understand that takes you to the ubuntu network configuration tool which changes the interfaces file... and if I understand correctly nm-applet does not work off of this file
[03:35] <Exien> ferret_0568, So manually configuring it will not work with nm-applet
[03:36] <Exien> ferret_0568, I could be wrong but thats what I understood. So if you manually configured it you will have to set your essid with iwconfig and use dhclient to get an IP
[03:36] <ferret_0568> Well...NetworkManager is supposed to control ath0, but if nm-applet says manual config...then shouldn't NetworkManager give the interface up?
[03:36] <Exien> ferret_0568, And nm-applet will not be able to manage it. (I don't know why it lets you do it if that is the case)
[03:36] <Exien> ferret_0568, Well, if you have the interface in your interfaces file nm-applet will probably not recognize it when you restart or reload the applet
[03:37] <Exien> ferret_0568, But I'm not completely sure.. If you manually configure it you have to get it up all the way yourself I think
[03:37] <ferret_0568> I'm going to do a dpkg -L real quick
[03:38] <ferret_0568> ...where is the NetworkManager interfaces file? I'm trying to find that out
[03:39] <Exien> ferret_0568, By NetworkManager you're refering to the nm-applet, right? If so I'm not sure.
[03:39] <fulat2k8499> hi folks, my kubuntu 7.04 went to trashing mode and after a reboot, i can see kdm and login.  but kde refuses to start.  kicks me back to kdm.  any ideas?  using dell d400 with i810
[03:39] <ferret_0568> No
[03:39] <Exien> ferret_0568, The interfaces file I was refering to is the one in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:39] <Exien> ferret_0568, Oh okay. You're talking about the Ubuntu network manager?
[03:39] <ferret_0568> I am referring to the actual NetworkManager daemon interfaces file
[03:39] <ferret_0568> Yeah
[03:39] <ferret_0568> nm-applet does not control that
[03:40] <Exien> ferret_0568, Yeah its /etc/network/interfaces
[03:40] <Exien> ferret_0568, No it doesn't
[03:40] <ferret_0568> thanks
[03:40] <AdministratorX> Exien is correct, that is the path to the file
[03:41] <yagami_> Hello, all- i am having trouble downloading packages even after I run apt-get update. it says the packages werent found.
[03:41] <ferret_0568> Well, ath0 isn't in there, it's a Cardbus wireless card
[03:41] <yagami_> what gives? and yeah, am using a feisty image about 2 weeks old
[03:42] <Exien> ferret_0568, That means it isn't configured correctly. Is it enabled from the network manager?
[03:42] <finalbeta> Does Feisty have a nice Face browser now? I know the composite browser was deferred. But a normal one?
[03:42] <ferret_0568> Yes
[03:42] <jonah> hi guys, i wanted to try the vmware beta but it's download is an rpm, what command do i use with alien to convert it to deb?
[03:42] <ferret_0568> I'm using NM to control it now
[03:43] <ferret_0568> It's working with automatic NetworkManager config
[03:43] <Exien> ferret_0568, oh weird... i don't know then :(
[03:43] <Exien> ferret_0568, can you find it if you run ifconfig
[03:43] <mips> ok, no more GAG, now I need to add openbsd to grub
[03:43] <Exien> ferret_0568, or iwconfig?
[03:43] <ferret_0568> Yes
[03:43] <ferret_0568> Both
[03:44] <ferret_0568> No wireless errors, my connection is not bad
[03:44] <yagami_> errr....some help? please :)  - i am having trouble downloading packages for feisty- doing an update even now. i've downloaded most of the packages. its just that several of them are giving me trouble
[03:45] <shirish> yagami_: what sort of trouble are u getting?
[03:45] <ferret_0568> btw, if you want to fix your DPI, if it's not the correct one or one that you want, you can add "-dpi <dpi>" to the end of the X server command line in GDM.
[03:45] <yagami_> well, packages arent being found- but can't proceed with upgrade if I don't install them. unless of course, i use --ignore-missing. dont think thats a good idea.
[03:46] <shirish> yagami_: ok, have u looked at what the software sources are saying? System > Administration > Software Sources
[03:46] <ferret_0568> I fixed mine that way, my DPI was something like 120-135, now it's 96
[03:46] <ferret_0568> It's a lot better now
[03:47] <shirish> yagami_: check that all except Source Code are checked & reload
[03:47] <ferret_0568> How do I print all the lines after a certain string in a text file?
[03:48] <yagami_> yeah, shirish - i have that unchecked. its just that i am unable to download this http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz when i do apt-get update
[03:49] <ferret_0568> I have a marker in dpkg.log for the start of KDE package installation, and I want to print all lines after that. I know how to print just the package column in dpkg.log, if you want it
[03:49] <shirish> yagami_: why are u using us mirror, use the main server, I believe the main server is in England
[03:49] <shirish> yagami_: sometimes there might be duplicate entries in /etc/sources.list which garbles things
[03:50] <shirish> yagami_: hence whenever u run into problems, go to main mirror, reload (or do apt-get update or aptitude update) and then upgrade
[03:50] <yagami_> ok, i think its working now, shirish - doing upgrade and its on the get#2 so i'll check and see if the problem recurs. thanks, shirish
[03:50] <shirish> yagami_: cool :)
[03:52] <ferret_0568> How I print just the package column in dpkg.log: cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep <date> | grep <time> | grep <state, usually "installed"> | cut -d\  -f5
[03:53] <fulat2k8499> me bad... my root fs got filled up.  couldn't login {H}
[03:53] <fulat2k8499> {g}
[03:53] <ferret_0568> I guess I could just use a text editor and copy all the lines after my KDE marker
[03:54] <bsnider> which version of madwifi is feisty using?
[03:54] <shirish> ferret_0568: I guess that is the easiest way, grep is not my best friend lol
[03:54] <ferret_0568> Mine neither
[03:54] <ferret_0568> You ever try Seahorse?
[03:55] <ferret_0568> It's great! It's a GNOME frontend for gpg
[03:56] <ferret_0568> Wow, 10110 lines in that dpkg.log file
[03:56] <ferret_0568> I could have used wc -l, to find that out\
[03:57] <Pollywog> what is xorg module wfb?
[03:58] <Pollywog> nvidia will not load because module wfb is missing
[03:58] <Pollywog> but such a module is not mentioned in my xorg.conf
[03:58] <Pollywog> is nvidia broken for everyone in Feisty or just me?
[04:04] <phaidros> Pollywog: seems you are alone right now ;)
[04:05] <ferret_0568> I have packages in a file like this:
[04:05] <ferret_0568> kdepim-wizards
[04:05] <ferret_0568> knotes
[04:05] <ferret_0568> korganizer
[04:06] <ferret_0568> I want to put a " \" after every package
[04:06] <ferret_0568> If you notice, there's one package to a line
[04:06] <ferret_0568> There is 761 lines in that file
[04:10] <flamebird> I enabled the desktop effects the windows wobble and everything but the cube doesnt rotate!
[04:11] <Tm_T> "I changed tires and pumped gas but engine is still broken"
[04:11] <Tm_T> ;-)
[04:12] <flamebird> anyone?
[04:13] <Tm_T> flamebird: well how did you try to rotate it?
[04:13] <flamebird> Tm_T, yep
[04:14] <flamebird> Tm_T, where is the compiz setting stored?
[04:14] <Tm_T> no idea
[04:15] <Exien> For some reason my DNS doesn't work correctly. Everytime I make a connection with a local machine it breaks the DNS on my computer so that no names get resolved. Yet if I find the IP adderss and connect to that (such as I am doing to connect to this irc server) it works fine. I'm not sure why it does this. Could someone help me? :(
[04:15] <gnomefreak> flamebird: you might wanna try in #ubuntu-effects
[04:15] <flamebird> ok gnomefreak
[04:17] <Pollywog> I can't get VMware to work with kernel 2.6.20 where can I get sources for 2.6.17 for feisty?
[04:18] <Pollywog> oh I think I have them on my laptop
[04:18] <Pollywog> oh yes I have edgy source on another machine :)
[04:24] <Ng> how should one go about debugging broken audio in feisty?
[04:27] <yagami_> does anyone know what OWA path is when configuring an exchange mail server on evolution?
[04:28] <AdministratorX> Ng: I have sound problem on my son's laptop. It seems to be a kernel bug however. 2.6.20-8 works while 2.6.20-15 does not
[04:29] <askar> feisty will be released with a lot of bugs, right?
[04:29] <AdministratorX> Ng: So check to make sure it is not a kernel bug....
[04:30] <Ng> AdministratorX: I've tried -14 and -15 and it's broken
[04:30] <Ng> it was definitely fine last night, but I forget if that was still in -13
[04:30] <Exien> For some reason my DNS doesn't work correctly. Everytime I make a connection with a local machine it breaks the DNS on my computer so that no names get resolved. Yet if I find the IP adderss and connect to that (such as I am doing to connect to this irc server) it works fine. I'm not sure why it does this. Could someone help me? :(
[04:31] <dystopianray> askar: what makes you say that?
[04:34] <askar> dystopianray:it was more of a question.. there is a lot of bugs that is not solved reported to launchpad.. It seems like they are just fixing the very serious bugs?
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> anyone know why feisty would be overwriting my X config?
[04:34] <dystopianray> askar: only release critical bugs are being fixed in time for the release
[04:35] <askar> dystopianray: so the final release will be an operatingsystem full of bugs in other words? >_o (not critical but still)
[04:36] <dystopianray> askar: no
[04:36] <dystopianray> askar: are there particular bugs on launchpad that you are concerned about?
[04:39] <zdzichuBG> dystopianray: there are such bugs
[04:39] <dystopianray> zdzichuBG: what?
[04:39] <zdzichuBG> serious issues which won't be fixed for feisty release
[04:39] <syock> While trying Feisty, my PC wakes up from  shutdown on mouse event. This behaviour is unexpected. How do I go about making it shutdown properly?
[04:40] <dystopianray> zdzichuBG: yes i know but that doesn't mean it's going to be horrible and filled with bugs
[04:40] <Zuph> Hey guys.  I'm trying to get wpa_supplicant to work in feisty, and I keep getting the error "Failed to initialize control interface."  The "ctrl_interface" line in my config file is set to /var/run/wpa_supplicant.
[04:40] <Tomcat_> syock: I think that's a BIOS issue...
[04:40] <TuxRox> I have 7.04 daily build from the 15th up and running. I have one issue that is really bothering me. I can not add new applications or commands to the Sessions --> Start Up dialog. Well, I can add them, but next time I open the Session dialog, they are gone. Any ideas?
[04:41] <zooounds> Anyone here that can help me with my broken upgrade? It wont boot. I htink it has with my soft raid and/or lvm to do.
[04:41] <syock> Okay, will try to look into BIOS settings. How did it change anyway
[04:41] <askar> dystopianray: well the one I reported especially ofcourse..but it seems like there are little trouble everywhere? not for everyone but..
[04:42] <dystopianray> askar: there are bugs that aren't release critical which will be fixed as updates after the release
[04:43] <askar> dystopianray: ok..so if I want to increase the chanse to get a bugfree system I should wait until 19 may?
[04:43] <dystopianray> askar: what's happening on may 19?
[04:44] <askar> dystopianray: a month after final release :)
[04:44] <dystopianray> askar: sure, if that makes you feel better
[04:45] <askar> dystopianray:   how long do you think a bug as mine rated as medium will take to solve? :o
[04:46] <dystopianray> askar: what bug is it?
[04:46] <poorenglish_> bugfree and system are incompatible words
[04:47] <askar> dystopianray:  #106157
[04:48] <shirish> dystopianray: are u on feisty now?
[04:48] <dystopianray> shirish: yes
[04:48] <shirish> hey Hidan :p
[04:49] <Hidan> shirish: hey how are you? btw, it seems my psu took out my hdd too.
[04:49] <shirish> ok cool, can u find out about the xfonts-terminus
[04:49] <shirish> Hidan: dang, now don't let me tell you, told u so
[04:50] <Hidan> shirish: PSU says... "If I can't bring down your system!!!! I'm going to take down your hdds too!"
[04:50] <Hidan> shirish: yeah oh well, i'm almost done backing up anyways.
[04:50] <shirish> Hidan: maybe we can take this conversation into a private room
[04:50] <Hidan> shirish: yeah join #shirish
[04:50] <askar> dystopianray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106157
[04:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 106157 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Cannot connect with networkmanager in latest kernel" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[04:52] <jtt> good morning
[04:52] <dystopianray> askar: is it only network-manager that doesn't work?
[04:52] <jtt> never having upgraded from one release to another i dont know how to do it
[04:52] <jtt> so....
[04:53] <jtt> what command do i use to upgrade from edgy to feisty
[04:53] <dystopianray> !upgrade | jtt
[04:53] <ubotu> jtt: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:53] <jtt> dystopianray, thanks should had done that myself
[04:53] <shirish> dystopianray: lemme know if you are able to install xfonts-terminus & use it, lemme know, some people say its the best thing to use on the gnome-terminal as well as on ttys
[04:54] <dystopianray> shirish: ok give me a few minutes
[04:54] <askar> dystopianray: hrm well..for some reason it removed some of my settings when I started today? The singleklicksetting was removed..and the standard launchers was added to the topbar (firefox,evolutin and help) and firfox had all its settings and bookmarks removed..And the computer wont shutdown..
[04:54] <shirish> dystopianray: sure, take all the time in the world
[04:55] <dystopianray> askar: this is after you upgraded?
[04:55] <askar> dystopianray:  yeah upgraded a while ago..but havent had any updates for a while.. so that cant be the problem
[04:56] <JimmyJo22> hi where to download actuall herd version?
[04:56] <dystopianray> JimmyJo22: why do you want to download a herd version?
[04:56] <JimmyJo22> dystopianray: what else?
[04:56] <dystopianray> JimmyJo22: you can get the release candidate now
[04:56] <askar> JimmyJo22: final tommorow :)
[04:57] <JimmyJo22> oh ok
[04:57] <dystopianray> JimmyJo22: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[04:57] <JimmyJo22> is it ok to load actuall rc and update to full ? i cant wait any more!
[04:57] <zooounds> which install cd should I use if I want to install Ubuntu (intel) on a software raid?
[04:57] <dystopianray> JimmyJo22: yes it is fine, the rc is unlikely to be changed before the release
[04:58] <JimmyJo22> i think the different between daily built and release is not very huge ore?
[04:58] <JimmyJo22> dystopianray: i think, too
[04:58] <dystopianray> JimmyJo22: you can use rsync to quickly update the iso to the release if it does end up different
[04:58] <askar> dystopianray: though that was a strange behaviour for a final release  : o
[04:59] <JimmyJo22> dystopianray: iam going to do a d-u tomorrow that would be enough ore?
[04:59] <dystopianray> askar: yes it was, i've never herad of that happening before
[04:59] <dystopianray> JimmyJo22: d-u? ore?
[04:59] <JimmyJo22> dist-upgrade or? (sorry for my bad english)
[04:59] <zooounds> seems like I am the only one running raid here...
[04:59] <dystopianray> JimmyJo22: oh, yeah that would be enough
[04:59] <askar> dystopianray: was edgy like this when it was released?
[05:00] <JimmyJo22> oh great! thanks for help
[05:00] <dystopianray> askar: I don't know, i only started using ubuntu a month or so ago
[05:00] <shirish> aksar: what do u mean by edgy was like this when released?
[05:01] <phaidros> hm, I wonder why they release already, alot of bug still in :/
[05:01] <askar> shirish: was it as buggy as feisty is when it was released?
[05:01] <phaidros> hundreds of netbook users will run into the channels to complain about no sound after hibernation, failing sleep and all such
[05:02] <phaidros> s/net/note
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> er, shirish from my experience yes..
[05:02] <shirish> askar: every release whether its ubuntu or any distro (even windows) will have some bugs
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> er askar it was
[05:02] <shirish> the point is some will be upfront about it, while some will hide it in small print in the release notes
[05:02] <askar> shirish: yeah ofcourse..but I mean.. Im unable to shutdown my computer? :S
[05:02] <dystopianray> lol
[05:03] <phaidros> askar: there is always a power plug, lol
[05:03] <shirish> askar: that is a serious show-stopper better report it
[05:03] <askar> shirish: oh ok
[05:04] <dystopianray> I don't think that is considered a show-stopper
[05:04] <dystopianray> I'm pretty sure it's only going to be important at this stage if it prevents you from installing or booting
[05:04] <shirish> dystopianray: I know, but its a serious thing
[05:04] <shirish> true
[05:06] <shirish> dystopianray: any progress on the xfonts-terminus thing?
[05:06] <shirish> nomasteryoda: what are u using?
[05:08] <whitehawk> where
[05:08] <whitehawk> hi
[05:09] <whitehawk> where, and how can I manage my wireless connections taht I added and was not discovered?
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> my fonts shirish ?
[05:09] <shirish> nomasteryoda: more than that ubuntu or kubuntu?
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> oh, i installed ubuntu then "upgraded" to kubuntu
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> or apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> love it
[05:10] <shirish> I hate KDE
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> Just saw on the Ubuntu Forums ... REPOS are Frozen... sweet
[05:10] <dystopianray> i love KDE
[05:10] <|NewUser|> damn its slow
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> we're getting so close now...
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> |NewUser|, i have 2gb of ram
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> kde is fast
[05:11] <dystopianray> i just tested my suspend to ram and it's working like a champ
[05:11] <Dr_willis> I got 1 gb of ram and kde is quite quick for me.
[05:11] <|NewUser|> nomasteryoda:  i have just 700mb
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> ah
[05:11] <askar> ok bug reported
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> yea, can be...
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> i like fluxbox for such times
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> and gnome
[05:12] <dystopianray> gnome uses more resources than kde
[05:12] <|NewUser|> love beryl just :p
[05:12] <Dr_willis> sounds like my laptop - the video card sucks out most of the ram. Till i turned it down to 64mb in the bios.
[05:12] <|NewUser|> not familiar with beryl much.. but i love 3d
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> dystopianray, that's amazing... used to be kde was the hog
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> what?.. i have 8MB video Ram... that is my max... and beryl rocks on it... not like my nvidia desktop, but very good
[05:13] <dystopianray> it's probably biased, but there is a comparison here: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> impresses lots of windows users into wanting/getting ubuntu
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:14] <pcybill> gnome is a bit of a hog isnt it lol
[05:14] <CarinArr> everything is zip zip fast for me lately with 2gb of ram and 512 mb of video ram
[05:14] <CarinArr> well everything but vista
[05:14] <CarinArr> heh
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:15] <zaggynl> are the repo's down? I can't update
[05:15] <holycow> hey guys
[05:16] <pcybill> I think the repos are frozen  zaggynl
[05:16] <holycow> i have feisty on this laptop and it seems to hang the box at 100% cpu intermittently
[05:16] <holycow> any suggestions on a tool i can use to track down what might be spiking th cpu like that to hang the system?
[05:16] <holycow> haven't been able to track down the process
[05:16] <billy> holycow, "top" command in terminal.
[05:16] <dystopianray> holycow: is it hung or just really slow?
[05:17] <zaggynl> htop for better looking
[05:17] <holycow> uh no
[05:17] <holycow> the system is hung
[05:17] <holycow> nothing responds
[05:17] <holycow> i.e. top doesn't work
[05:17] <zaggynl> I get 'E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) \n E: Unable to lock the list directory" when attempting to use 'sudo apt-get update'
[05:17] <shirish> ok if anybody had success using xfonts-terminus please lemme know, I've been unable to use it
[05:17] <holycow> dystopianray, totally hung for about 30 seconds at a time
[05:17] <JimmyJo22> can i use VirtualBox for edgy under Fasty?
[05:17] <holycow> mouse moves but no apps responds including desktop
[05:17] <dystopianray> JimmyJo22: should be able to
[05:18] <billy> zaggynl, mine was doing that yesterday.  reboot fixed it.
[05:18] <JimmyJo22> what kernel comes with faisty?
[05:18] <zaggynl> oh, okay billy
[05:18] <dystopianray> JimmyJo22: 2.6.20
[05:18] <stdin> JimmyJo22: no, because it needs to install some kernel modules, which won't work on the feisty kernel (2.6.20)
[05:18] <Pici> JimmyJo22: 2.6.20
[05:18] <billy> zaggynl, real quick, see if dd is doing anything.
[05:19] <JimmyJo22> oh ok stdin
[05:19] <zaggynl> billy, I don't see a process named 'dd'
[05:19] <dystopianray> shirish: terminus works fine here, kinda looks crappy though
[05:19] <JimmyJo22> is there an alternetive?
[05:19] <zaggynl> waitaminute
[05:19] <shirish> dystopianray: ok tell me how did u do it?
[05:19] <stdin> JimmyJo22: you could compile it yourself
[05:19] <zaggynl> 'root      4695  0.0  0.0   1792   524 ?        Ss   16:34   0:00 /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg'
[05:19] <billy> zaggynl, ok.  dd was doing "something" when I was having that same error, though I didn't start dd.
[05:19] <dystopianray> shirish: apt-get install xfonts-terminus
[05:19] <dystopianray> shirish: then restarted X and then used it in konsole
[05:20] <shirish> I rebooted but still can't see it gnome-terminal
[05:22] <`anthony> anyone got suggestions for a feedreader in feisty? My previous choice, liferea, has been utterly wrecked in the upgrade - it no longer works worth a damn. Yes, I'll be logging a bug report.
[05:23] <dystopianray> `anthony: akregator
[05:25] <`anthony> dystopianray: will try that one next. just tried 'blam'. it blew out to over a gig of memory trying to import a 200 entry OPML file. Win.
[05:28] <billy> anyone know where the "shutdown" button icon is kept ?
[05:28] <billy> i'm wanting to put a "shutdown" button on my panel.
[05:28] <dystopianray> billy: in kubuntu?
[05:28] <billy> dystopianray, ubuntu.
[05:28] <shirish> billy: in ubuntu its add to panel & its there
[05:29] <dystopianray> billy: doesn't gnome have a shutdown icon on the panel by default?
[05:29] <billy> dystopianray, yeah, it's in totally the wrong spot though.
[05:29] <billy> shirish, you're right.  "Quit".
[05:29] <zaggynl> gah, can't get my microphone to work in feisty
[05:30] <billy> uh, nope.  that's not it, after all.  Might as well use System drop down menu with that.
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> zaggynl, have you checked the console?... try running alsamixer to see if the input is muted
[05:33] <zaggynl> when I used krecord and check log, it spikes when I breathe/talk
[05:33] <zaggynl> can't playback, 'cause the device or resource is busy'
[05:33] <shirish> zaggynl: listen to nomasteryoda
[05:33] <zaggynl> unmuted all
[05:34] <zaggynl> Ah I see, Linux fails at software mixing, or I fail at configuring.
[05:34] <zaggynl> Only one app allowed for my el cheapo audigy.
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> now if you are using the oss drivers, then you might be able to do more than one...
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> audio on linux is getting better...
[05:35] <zaggynl> yeah, my soundcard isn't very well supported it seems, I'll go back to my onboard via
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> i can play different movies or music with different players and they all work...
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> and make sound
[05:37] <zaggynl> that works...most of the time
[05:37] <dystopianray> audigy should be able to do hardware mixing
[05:37] <zaggynl> skype for instance won't work, I can only hear the other, he can't hear me
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> it should...
[05:37] <crimsun> dystopianray: not all audigys. Many are rebranded & crippled.
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> ah, ,well skype has its own issues...
[05:37] <zaggynl> I have a ca0106
[05:38] <crimsun> ca0106 is crippled. It is utterly incapable of hardware pcm multiplexing.
[05:38] <zaggynl> yes, that's what I understood, so I have to figure out how to get software mixing going
[05:38] <zaggynl> sigh, all them daemons
[05:38] <crimsun> zaggynl: it's enabled by default.
[05:38] <billy> exit
[05:38] <crimsun> $ dpkg -L libasound2|grep cards/CA0
[05:38] <crimsun> /usr/share/alsa/cards/CA0106.conf
[05:39] <zaggynl> hmm
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> zaggynl, i know at least in the US you can "dumpster dive" behind good computer repair stores to get parts... such as audio cards
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> i have like 10 differnent models
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> soundblaster live, etc...
[05:40] <zaggynl> heheh
[05:40] <dystopianray> i fished my microphone out of a bin at uni
[05:40] <dystopianray> it was still in the box
[05:41] <zaggynl> I have a sennheiser pc150 and audigy ls
[05:41] <zaggynl> zero problems in wintendo and gaming there :(
[05:42] <zaggynl> I can launch rhythmbox and xmms, and they can play at the same time, recording just isn't going to work
[05:42] <zaggynl> I have to close every single app that makes sound
[05:42] <st9> Hi all. I am running ubuntu 7.04b and my laptop fan is always-on even at 0% cpu. What could be causing this?
[05:42] <dystopianray> st9: the beta?
[05:43] <dystopianray> st9: is cpu frequency scaling working?
[05:43] <st9> yes it was todays build
[05:44] <st9> dystopianray: how can I check that?
[05:46] <dystopianray> st9: if you hover over the battery icon does it show the cpu frequency as dynamic and the bar is half or so?
[05:47] <st9> dystopianray: In Gnome I do not see that, the laptop is running on AC power. However I disconnected the power supply and the fan stopped. cpu usage is very low still
[05:48] <dystopianray> st9: oh gnome's battery power thing doesn't show the cpu frequency?
[05:48] <st9> dystopianray: no
[05:49] <Patizivs> st9: What brand is your laptop?
[05:49] <st9> Patizivs: vaio FJ
[05:49] <dystopianray> st9: run $ cat /proc/cpuinfo and compare the frequency it reports to what your cpus maximum frequency should be
[05:49] <cables> I heard that the restricted drivers manager doesn't let you change xorg.conf and still use it. Is this true?
[05:50] <st9> dystopianray: cpu MHz reports 798 MHz, but the model is a is 1.73 GHz cpu
[05:51] <dystopianray> st9: ok, so frequency scaling is working
[05:51] <st9> dystopianray: when I connect the AC Power, cpu MHz jumps to 1729 MHz
[05:52] <dystopianray> st9: ah it sounds like it's using the performance governor when the ac is plugged in
[05:53] <Patizivs> st9: that is ok because to save energy cpu frew is reduced when in battery mode
[05:53] <johnnybuoy> s/w/q
[05:53] <johnnybuoy> ;)
[05:54] <st9> dystopianray, Patizivs: ah I understand, is at kernel level? How can I reconfigure this?
[05:55] <dystopianray> st9: well in kubuntu i just click on the battery level and I can configure the ac and battery scaling governors, not sure how to do it in ubuntu
[05:56] <johnnybuoy> hi all!
[05:56] <johnnybuoy> does anyone know of a tool that can create image files from audio CDs
[05:56] <johnnybuoy> ??
[05:56] <dystopianray> johnnybuoy: dd
[05:56] <johnnybuoy> dd?
[05:56] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:56] <johnnybuoy> the powa of dd
[05:56] <dystopianray> johnnybuoy: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso
[05:57] <johnnybuoy> dystopianray, do you know a frontend?
[05:57] <dystopianray> johnnybuoy: gnome-terminal
[05:57] <Toxicity999> why a front end when he just gave you a command to paste in =P
[05:57] <st9> dystopianray: i see ok, thanks for your help
[05:57] <johnnybuoy> dystopianray, the problem is that iso files can't contain more than one audio tracks
[05:57] <dystopianray> johnnybuoy: well it won't really be an iso, it'll just be a dump of whatever is on the cd
[05:58] <johnnybuoy> because it's for my dad, and I'm not sure he will like the idea of doing this in command-line
[05:58] <dystopianray> johnnybuoy: why? a frontend is just going to horribly complicate it
[05:58] <johnnybuoy> dystopianray, and then you think I can burn it as an iso?
[05:58] <johnnybuoy> dunno..
[05:58] <marcot> Hello, I'm trying to configure in preffered apps to use firefox as the default browser opening in new tab, and the command that preffered apps is showing is: firefox -remote "openurl(%s,new-tab)"
[05:59] <dystopianray> johnnybuoy: you should be able to burn it
[05:59] <marcot> When I click in a link I got: Error: Failed to send command: 500 command not parseable
[05:59] <marcot> I tried marcot@quindinho:~$ firefox -remote "openurl(www.google.com,new-tab)"
[05:59] <marcot> But I got the same error mesasge.
[05:59] <johnnybuoy> dystopianray, thx, I'll try..
[06:00] <zaggynl> Cookies to the one who can get my mic recording to work!
[06:00] <marcot> Actually, when I click on a link it works.
[06:00] <dystopianray> johnnybuoy: there are probably frontends for it, but using a gui frontend for something so trivial is ridiculous
[06:00] <marcot> But when I run ubuntu-bug, it gives this message.
[06:01] <marcot> And when I run by hand.
[06:01] <marcot> Any ideas?
[06:01] <Lurky2000> hi people... anyone have positive experiences with 3D on ATI Mobility 9600 laptop drivers?
[06:02] <Lurky2000> ..on 7.04
[06:02] <crdlb> Lurky2000, that should work fine in feisty
[06:02] <Lurky2000> lol
[06:02] <crdlb> the r300 driver in feisty is pretty good
[06:02] <crdlb> have you tried it?
[06:02] <Lurky2000> hmmm.. well... I can see the screen (it's what I'm using now at least...)
[06:02] <crdlb> what does: glxinfo|grep direct
[06:02] <Lurky2000> ... but I dont think there's any accelaration going on
[06:02] <crdlb> day?
[06:02] <crdlb> say?
[06:02] <Lurky2000> let's see...
[06:02] <Lurky2000> one sec
[06:03] <Lurky2000> says:
[06:03] <Lurky2000> direct rendering: No
[06:03] <Lurky2000> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:03] <crdlb> Lurky2000, did you try installing the proprietary drivers?
[06:04] <Lurky2000> yup
[06:04] <crdlb> oh
[06:04] <Lurky2000> not very well I guess
[06:04] <crdlb> you need to remove them
[06:04] <crdlb> sudo apt-get --purge remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:04] <|Pollywog|> !pastebin
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[06:04] <superkirbyartist> What time is Ubuntu released?
[06:04] <Lurky2000> kk.. one sec then :)
[06:04] <Toxicity999> superkirbyartist whenever the image testing starts/ends
[06:04] <spheard> hello oom
[06:05] <|Pollywog|> what do these errors signify?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16262/
[06:05] <superkirbyartist> Toxicity999 any clue when that is?
[06:05] <johnnybuoy> dystopianray, yes, I'm fine with dd, but my father I'm not sure
[06:05] <Toxicity999> superkirbyartist Sometime tomorrow =P never set in stone
[06:05] <Lurky2000> crdlb: so that's all I need to do ?
[06:05] <superkirbyartist> What's new?
[06:05] <Toxicity999> usually it takes the whole day to test though, especially if any fail.
[06:05] <spheard> I have just installed 6.10, I want to upgrade to feisty, is dist-upgrade good for this?
[06:05] <Toxicity999> so generally late at night.
[06:05] <crdlb> Lurky2000, assuming you didn't modify your xorg.conf
[06:05] <dystopianray> johnnybuoy: you think he is not smart enough to type a dozen characters into a terminal?
[06:06] <Lurky2000> I just added the COmposite thing
[06:06] <johnnybuoy> yes
[06:06] <marcot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/96503
[06:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 96503 in apport "does not open Firefox" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[06:06] <Pollywog_> spheard: no
[06:06] <crdlb> Lurky2000, pastebin it
[06:06] <crdlb> (your xorg.conf)
[06:06] <marcot> I found a little about this problem here, but it doesn't give any answer.
[06:06] <Lurky2000> umm... what does that mean (sorry..)
[06:06] <spheard> Pollywog_:do I need a disk?
[06:06] <Pollywog_> spheard: no, use the procedure in the topic
[06:06] <Lurky2000> (pastebin)
[06:07] <crdlb> !pastebin
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[06:08] <Pollywog_> I could not get vmware to work with the feisty kernel
[06:08] <Pollywog_> anyone else have the same problem?
[06:08] <Lurky2000> ok... I'll try... though I only really changed the one place from "ati" to "fglrx", and added the Composite thing at the end
[06:08] <spheard> Pollywog_:thats just about testing iso images
[06:08] <Pollywog_> spheard: oh they changed it since yesterday then
[06:08] <crdlb> Lurky2000, ok remove the composite thing and change fglrx back to ati
[06:09] <Lurky2000> ok :)
[06:09] <st9> dystopianray: Frequency Scaling Monitor applet for gnome works. Had to chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector for it to be selectable. ty again
[06:09] <Pollywog_> spheard: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[06:09] <Lurky2000> do I need to completely delete all the ati stuff I installed in /etc/ati?
[06:09] <crdlb> in /etc/ati?
[06:09] <Lurky2000> yup
[06:10] <Lurky2000> it couldn't remove the directory
[06:10] <crdlb> what guide did you use?
[06:10] <Lurky2000> god knows.. I think I used about 3 different ones
[06:10] <Lurky2000> :P
[06:10] <crdlb> you mean apt did that automatically?
[06:10] <Pollywog_> on one machine the Feisty upgrade worked but on another, I had problems with Samba and Nvidia
[06:10] <Lurky2000> yup.. apt told me it couldn't remove that directory
[06:10] <Pollywog_> but I don't know where to report the problems
[06:10] <crdlb> Lurky2000, it should be ok as long as you purged xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:10] <Lurky2000> (via apt, right?)
[06:11] <Lurky2000> or there's a special purge command?
[06:11] <Pollywog_> I suspect the problems with Samba and Nvidia are already documented
[06:11] <crdlb> Lurky2000, sudo apt-get --purge remove
[06:11] <Lurky2000> kk
[06:12] <Lurky2000> crdlb: done.. will reboot and rejoin... thanks in the meantime
[06:16] <jonah> hi guys i'm running vmware, i've got windows xp running in it on top of ubuntu., do i need to install virus protection still on windows even though it's just in vmware? may sound like a silly quesiton but i'm unsure?
[06:16] <aaroncampbell> How can I get the temperatures from my HDDs via Kubuntu Feisty
[06:16] <elmargol> aaroncampbell: apt-cache search hddtemp
[06:17] <dystopianray> jonah: you can, if you want your vm to have virus protection
[06:17] <Dr_willis> I cant even get vmware working under Feisty at this time
[06:17] <pollywog_> same here
[06:17] <Lurky2000> back... what was that fxlrginfo command again?
[06:18] <pollywog_> I got it working with kernel 2.6.17 though
[06:18] <Lurky2000> oh... I dont have that command anymore
[06:18] <jonah> ok and what is best free antivirus? avast home?
[06:18] <pollywog_> Dr_willis: you might try the older kernel
[06:18] <pollywog_> worked for me
[06:18] <Dr_willis> jonah,  i find them all lacking. :) i perfer the 'avg' free version they got an anti-spyware tool also thats free
[06:19] <greg_g> Lurky2000: glxinfo|grep direct
[06:19] <pollywog_> anti-spyware tool for Linux?
[06:19] <Lurky2000> thnx...
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Pollywog,  no for his XP in vmware machine. :)
[06:19] <pollywog_> oh
[06:19] <jonah> ok thanks
[06:19] <Lurky2000> hmm.. says: Direct Rendering:Yes
[06:19] <greg_g> right on then
[06:20] <Lurky2000> but google earth is as slow as mollasses
[06:20] <greg_g> you are golden
[06:20] <Dr_willis> make: *** [vmmon.ko]  Error 2    Unable to build the vmmon module.
[06:20] <Dr_willis> Bummer.
[06:20] <pollywog_> that is the same error I got with 2.6.20 kernel
[06:20] <Lurky2000> I had it WAY smoother under 6.10 at some stage in the distant past :(
[06:20] <pollywog_> Nvidia is broken in Feisty also
[06:21] <superkirbyartist> Everything is broken in Feisty.
[06:21] <Lurky2000> nahhh
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Pollywog,  it is? i got nvidia working great on my 2 machines
[06:21] <superkirbyartist> That means no Beryl, no GnomeSword.
[06:21] <Lurky2000> I actually managed to get my WiFi with WPA to work
[06:21] <Lurky2000> amazing :)
[06:21] <Dr_willis> i just had to install nvidia-glx, or nvidia-glx-new, and edit the nv line to be 'nvidia' :)
[06:21] <crdlb> Lurky2000, I guess fglrx is your only choice
[06:22] <pollywog_> yes but that is the same problem I have] 
[06:22] <Dr_willis> NOW it did mess up when it made the xconfig itself however. so i had to fix that.
[06:22] <crdlb> if the free drivers are being slow
[06:22] <pollywog_> nvidia driver won't work, nv works
[06:22] <jonah> ok guys, and when i use photoshop or whatever in xp, how do i save files across to ubuntu?
[06:22] <Lurky2000> so how do I get that then? just use apt-get?
[06:22] <crdlb> I can run google earth fine on my 7500 so something is wrong
[06:22] <crdlb> Lurky2000, this is the right guide:
[06:22] <crdlb> !ati
[06:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:22] <superkirbyartist> !ubotu
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[06:22] <stdin> Dr_willis: I had to edit the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-(VERSION)-generic/include/linux/version.h file to have "#define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.20-(VERSION)-generic" " for it to work here (replacing (VERSION) with the release number)
[06:22] <Dr_willis> nvidia drivers seem to work here.. Nvidia 6800 and a 5500 in othe rmachine.
[06:22] <superkirbyartist> !bob
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[06:23] <superkirbyartist> !feisty
[06:23] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[06:23] <Lurky2000> gotcha.. I'll check it out... thanks crdlb, greg etc
[06:23] <Dr_willis> stdin,  ok.. so whats the 'relase' # exactly.. lets see... Linux  2.6.20-15-generic
[06:24] <superkirbyartist> sudo apt-get remove apt
[06:24] <superkirbyartist> Don't try this at home.
[06:24] <Lurky2000> btw... to go from ubuntu to kubuntu it's just like apt-get kubuntu-desktop?
[06:24] <stdin> Dr_willis: that's why i installed the vmware-server, the modules are in a package
[06:24] <crdlb> Lurky2000, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:24] <Lurky2000> gotcha.. thanks crdlb
[06:25] <BluesKaj> Lurky2000, you the prprietary fglrx ATI driver to get direct rendering ,so you can run google earth
[06:25] <Lurky2000> I downloaded that 50+Meg file from ati's site.. .you mean those?
[06:25] <BluesKaj> get the proprietary driver.. scuse my spelling
[06:25] <crdlb> Lurky2000, use the apt-get method
[06:25] <Lurky2000> kk crd
[06:26] <Dr_willis> stdin,  i thought i installed that package as well.. perhaps i missed somthing obvious.
[06:26] <Lurky2000> back eventually :P
[06:26] <crdlb> fglrx needs patches to work in 2.6.20
[06:26] <Lurky2000> ...and tha'ts taken care off with apt-get?
[06:26] <Lurky2000> that's
[06:26] <Lurky2000> of
[06:26] <crdlb> yes
[06:26] <Lurky2000> kk
[06:27] <crdlb> just follow the entire guide
[06:27] <Lurky2000> will do - cya all later.. thanks guys :)
[06:28] <pollywog_> I wonder if I can fix the nvidia problem if I build from source
[06:34] <Dr_willis> Aha!  http://linuxn00b.wordpress.com/2007/03/31/installing-vmware-server-on-feisty/
[06:36] <aaroncampbell> Dr_willis: I use VMWare Workstation, and it seems you MUST use version 6 (beta) with feisty...which also seems to be unstable.
[06:36] <aaroncampbell> At first I thought it was Beryl causing freezing, but as it turns out, I can run Beryl for days and days as long as I don't have Workstation running
[06:37] <pollywog_> I am running kernel 2.6.17 in Feisty and vmware works
[06:37] <pollywog_> it won't work with the kernel that comes in Feisty
[06:38] <pollywog_> vmware Workstation 5.x
[06:39] <andy_> hello there, I'm using compiz to enable some nice desktop effects. Now, I want to configure it the way, that when I press the middle mouse button, all windows get "scrambled" on the screen. When I'm in the Compiz Preferences and press the shortcut, it somehow doesn't work. I can press the middle mouse button but nothing happens.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> well vmware server is now working here.
[06:40] <Dr_willis> on  2.6.20-15-generic
[06:40] <pollywog_> I could not get it to work in generic
[06:41] <aaroncampbell> Pollywog: I see, I have whatever the most current kernel that Feisty updates to
[06:41] <pollywog_> 2.6.20-15-386 and 2.6.17 here
[06:41] <aaroncampbell> I don't even know what that is
[06:42] <pollywog_> maybe I need to get some headers rather than source
[06:42] <pollywog_> and Nvidia is broken, I can get by with "nv" driver for now
[06:43] <aaroncampbell> Pollywog: why is nVidia broke?
[06:44] <pollywog_> it won't start and gives me some error about not loading wfb
[06:44] <pollywog_> I Googled and it is a known issue
[06:44] <aaroncampbell> pollywog_: I had that...I posted a temporary fix in the bug
[06:45] <pollywog_> is the fix to use nv?
[06:45] <zerothis> if upgrading to feisty is a disaster on my system. is it easy to undo?
[06:46] <pollywog_> I think trying to undo it could be a secondary disaster
[06:46] <pollywog_> if you run vmware or nvidia I advise against the upgrade
[06:46] <pollywog_> and if you run Samba, remove it before the upgrade
[06:47] <pollywog_> and install it after the upgrade is done
[06:47] <aaroncampbell> pollywog_: no, basically, you download the drivers from nVidia, extract them rather than install them, grab the files you need...
[06:47] <pollywog_> aaroncampbell: oic
[06:47] <spheard> um, trying to upgrade using update-manage-core but couldnt find package........
[06:47] <aaroncampbell> I'm looking for the link, but I have so many launchpad links in my history :|
[06:48] <zerothis> Pollywog: well, i'm running all 3. that kind of settles things
[06:48] <slytherin> zerothis: 1. It is not going to be disaster. 2. It is not easy to undo. 3. It is easy to fix.
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Well i now have nvidia working, and samba working, and vmware working. :)
[06:49] <Dr_willis> of course this is on a clean install..
[06:51] <pollywog_> samba broke the install for me
[06:51] <pollywog_> I was able to continue it with dpkg --configure -a   after removing samba
[06:51] <pollywog_> then I reinstalled samba
[06:52] <pollywog_> but I still recommend the upgrade if you have a backup machine
[06:53] <BluesKaj> i don't understand the fascination with VMWare ..why not just dual boot
[06:53] <aaroncampbell> pollywog_: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/98641
[06:53] <pollywog_> I had some problem with Tor also, I don't know if I fixed that, I need to check
[06:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "NVidia driver missing libwfb" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:53] <pollywog_> aaroncampbell: ty
[06:53] <zaggynl> Is there a channel for sound issues?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> im still not sure what samba was doing oddly. but its working now for me.
[06:53] <zerothis> well, if i only used my notebook for myself i'd do it. but i need it for work also. i'll wait for vacation time
[06:54] <pollywog_> Dual booting is a hassle unless it is for playing a game
[06:54] <pollywog_> I want to use Quicken and a couple of other things without having to dual boot, also sometimes I need IE
[06:54] <pollywog_> yeah yeah Quicken runs on WINE
[06:54] <pollywog_> ;)
[06:55] <ha978> hey is it safe to install the release candidate now then just grab updates?
[06:55] <BluesKaj> heh, like i said , if you insist on VMware and wine ,, what not just run windows ?
[06:55] <zerothis> Pollywog: i disagree, Dual booting is a hassle for games also
[06:57] <slytherin> ha978: Yes, it is safe
[06:57] <Lurky2000> thanks guys, Google-Earth's working great now
[06:58] <ha978> thanks sly
[06:58] <Dr_willis> I use vmware to run windows98 for the wife. :) that way she cant trash the whole pc.
[06:58] <pollywog_> Lurky2000: no molasses?
[06:58] <Lurky2000> whoooooosh more like
[06:58] <Dr_willis> just her own copy of the vmware-98 setup. that i have backed up
[06:58] <pollywog_> oic
[06:58] <Lurky2000> (on google earth at least :P )
[06:58] <Lurky2000> next project... getting beryl or one of those cool things to work :)
[06:59] <pollywog_> Dr_willis: does she know?
[06:59] <Dr_willis> Pollywog,  yep. she took a little learning that shes on a 'computer in a computer' :)
[06:59] <Lurky2000> ...or should I just give upon that with an ATI?
[06:59] <Dr_willis> she did learn to 'snapshot' her vmware session - to save her solitare game befor shutting down the pc.
[07:00] <Ayabara> Is acrobat reader not in the repos for Feisty?
[07:00] <slytherin> Lurky2000: Which ATI?
[07:00] <slytherin> Ayabara: why do you need it when you have evince?
[07:00] <Lurky2000> slyth: radeon mobility R350, 9600
[07:00] <phaidros> Lurky2000: that one work nice with xorg's ati driver
[07:01] <slytherin> Lurky2000: You can try with non-Free drivers at your own risk
[07:01] <phaidros> Lurky2000: even 3d accelerated. except some functions
[07:01] <Lurky2000> I haven't even tried Beryl on my own yet.. so I dont want to bother you all yet :P
[07:01] <slytherin> phaidros: I didn't know that
[07:01] <phaidros> Lurky2000: beryl works with xorgs driver on the same card here
[07:01] <Ayabara> slytherin, because I like acroread better :-)
[07:01] <phaidros> slytherin: up to a certain model xorgs ati driver is very powerful
[07:02] <Lurky2000> hmmm... the xorg driver was really slow though
[07:02] <slytherin> Ayabara: have you added commercial repositories?
[07:02] <phaidros> Lurky2000: its not here
[07:02] <ha978> llink to rls candidate please? cant find it
[07:02] <JimmyJo22> reHi
[07:02] <phaidros> Lurky2000: I paste you my xorg.conf, ok?
[07:02] <Lurky2000> sure
[07:02] <slytherin> ha978: Just doenload a daily cd from cdimages.ubuntu.com
[07:03] <JimmyJo22> how to change resolution up to 1280x800?? in my menu i can only go up to 1024x768!
[07:04] <slytherin> JimmyJo22: is yours a widescreen monitor?
[07:04] <Ayabara> slytherin, yes
[07:04] <phaidros> Lurky2000: http://pastie.caboo.se/54715
[07:04] <slytherin> Ayabara: then it might just not be there yet.
[07:04] <Lurky2000> hmmm... when I try to run System/Preferences/Desktop Effects I get a "The Composite extensions is not available" error
[07:04] <Lurky2000> thnx phaidros
[07:04] <phaidros> Lurky2000: its for thinkpad with 1400x1050 lcd
[07:05] <Ayabara> slytherin, ok
[07:05] <JimmyJo22> slytherin: 15,4 laptop monitor
[07:05] <JimmyJo22> whats that? ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[07:05] <phaidros> Lurky2000: see the config.
[07:05] <Lurky2000> I'm on an AOpen 1551 thing... sec
[07:05] <phaidros> at the bottom there is composite enabled
[07:05] <slytherin> JimmyJo22: Can we solve one problem at a time please?
[07:05] <JimmyJo22> yes sorry
[07:06] <Lurky2000> phaidros: I noticed that - how comes it works?
[07:06] <slytherin> JimmyJo22: Which graphics card?
[07:06] <phaidros> Lurky2000: up to a certain ati model the xorg ati driver is capable of doing it :)
[07:07] <phaidros> the coder invested lots of time in tha module
[07:07] <phaidros> s/coder/oders
[07:07] <Lurky2000> phaidros: so you're using the xorg driver... think it would work with 9600 mobility?
[07:07] <phaidros> s/oders/coders
[07:07] <Lurky2000> lol
[07:08] <JimmyJo22> mom x-restart!
[07:08] <Lurky2000> phaidros: does google earth run smoothly on your setup?
[07:08] <phaidros> Lurky2000: ATI Technologies Inc M10 NT [FireGL Mobility T2]  <= runs with that card here
[07:09] <phaidros> Lurky2000: nope
[07:09] <Lurky2000> ah
[07:09] <Lurky2000> well there you have it then
[07:09] <phaidros> Lurky2000: that one of the features the driver is not capable of :(
[07:09] <ha978> are daily build a recompile of everything?
[07:09] <phaidros> Lurky2000: ok, for google earth you'd need fglrx then :/
[07:09] <phaidros> ha978: nope
[07:09] <JimmyJo22> ok i have  fixed it now i have 1280x800
[07:09] <slytherin> ha978: Recompile of only the packages changed
[07:10] <slytherin> JimmyJo22: How did you do that?
[07:10] <Lurky2000> thanks for trying phaidros :)
[07:10] <JimmyJo22> slytherin: i change the xorg.conf!
[07:10] <ha978> and how come the last daily was on the 15th?
[07:10] <phaidros> slytherin: resoluton must be in the "modes 1400x1050" line in xorg.conf
[07:10] <Lurky2000> I wonder if they'll (ATI) ever get their act together though
[07:10] <Lurky2000> seems so stupid
[07:11] <JimmyJo22> can we go to the alsa problem? i have no sound!
[07:11] <phaidros> Lurky2000: hm, I'm a little dissappointed of not having google earth though, but at least I stay on the Free side :)
[07:11] <slytherin> JimmyJo22: Ok. I was about to recommend you package 915resolution if yours was a Intel chipset.
[07:11] <phaidros> Lurky2000: ati is worst company ever
[07:11] <Lurky2000> lol
[07:11] <phaidros> Lurky2000: I hoped it would change since they got bought by AMD .. but nothing so far
[07:11] <JimmyJo22> slytherin: for my sound problem?
[07:11] <slytherin> phaidros: I am well aware of xorg.conf and it's sections. I just wanted to know his exact problem. :-)
[07:12] <phaidros> slytherin: I pointed at exactly that :)
[07:12] <zdzichuBG> slytherin: why 915resolution? modesetting driver is packaged
[07:12] <slytherin> JimmyJo22: Sorry, I don't help with sound problems. They are very difficult to debug over IRC.
[07:12] <Lurky2000> btw Phaidros... is the desktop effects worth it?
[07:13] <slytherin> zdzichuBG: Ahh. Didn't know that.
[07:13] <Lurky2000> kk
[07:13] <Pollywog_> the nvidia solution did not work for me, back to "nv"
[07:13] <phaidros> Lurky2000: its nice, but i diasbled it after two days :)
[07:13] <phaidros> off ..
[07:13] <Lurky2000> lol.. how comes?
[07:13] <Lurky2000> kk.. sorry.. bon appetite
[07:13] <JimmyJo22> does someone knows this fault? ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[07:13] <phaidros> erm, annoying wobbling :)
[07:13] <Lurky2000> :)
[07:13] <zdzichuBG> slytherin: it is for feisty, even in two flavours :) (xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting)
[07:13] <phaidros> JimmyJo22: try to use pulseaudio, check through their wiki and ubuntu forums for that error
[07:14] <JimmyJo22> ok
[07:14] <phaidros> JimmyJo22: pulseaudio = gnome replacement of esd (sound demon)
[07:14] <slytherin> phaidros: don't solve wrong problem. :-) pulseaudio is not a replacement for ALSA.
[07:14] <mattik> is ati drivers still broken because my system said I'm using Mesa?
[07:15] <JimmyJo22> phaidros: alsa?
[07:15] <shirish> slytherin: what were u saying about 915 resolution?
[07:16] <slytherin> shirish: It is for intel cards that support widescreen resolution. something to do with setting modes in video bios
[07:16] <Ng> i810-modesetting should remove the need for 915resolution
[07:16] <jash> Will there be many package updates now before feisty is considered stable?
[07:17] <shirish> slytherin: lol Ng just took the things out of my mouth
[07:17] <dystopianray> wow i was able to suspend and resume my desktop without any problems, using the nvidia binary, i am impressed!
[07:17] <slytherin> Ng: shirish: Yes, I didn't know that
[07:18] <shirish> slytherin: that is a cool cool package, Hobbsee was the one who kindly packaged it for the community the day before
[07:18] <slytherin> shirish: Ng: Why don't I see that package in repos?
[07:18] <shirish> slytherin: its in the universe
[07:18] <phaidros> which package?
[07:18] <shirish> the intel-video-modesetting package
[07:18] <slytherin> shirish: I have all the repos enabled. I can't find it in synaptic. Can you give the name of package exactly?
[07:18] <shirish> slytherin: hang on
[07:18] <shirish> yup sure
[07:19] <Hairulfr> Moodetting package... That would rock
[07:19] <dystopianray> xserver-xorg-video-intel is horrible, i wouldn't recommend it
[07:19] <dystopianray> crashes when changing resolution
[07:19] <dystopianray> vt switching is flakely
[07:19] <bullgard4> What is the preferred Gnome program to burn a data DVD and an audio DVD?
[07:20] <dystopianray> slytherin: xserver-xorg-video-intel
[07:20] <Hairulfr> bullgard4: Serpentine?
[07:20] <bullgard4> Hairulfr: I thougt, Serpentine is for CDs only. Am I wrong?
[07:20] <akrus> does someone know where can I download latest version of Qca2?
[07:20] <shirish> slytherin: do an apt-cache search xf86-video-intel
[07:20] <slytherin> bullgard4: Data DVD can be done form inside nautilus. Otherwise gnomebaker or brasero. No idea for audio DVD. I use devede for video DVD
[07:20] <dystopianray> shirish: the driver is xserver-xorg-video-intel and it's too broken for effective use
[07:21] <slytherin> shirish: dystopianray says the correct package name
[07:21] <bullgard4> slytherin: I will investigate further. Thank you.
[07:21] <shirish> slytherin: yup he's right
[07:21] <Hairulfr> bullgard4: dON'T KNOW, just guessed. I just use the standard one that pops up, ifyou are transferring to windows, be aware that the filenames might end up being screwed
[07:21] <shirish> dystopianray: its working fine for me, I haven't tried changing resolution on the fly though as of yet
[07:21] <dystopianray> shirish: try cchanging resolution with xrandr, X will die
[07:22] <slytherin> Does anyone know any tool to combine 2 MPEG1 files in one Theora/Ogg file?
[07:22] <dystopianray> slytherin: ffmpeg should be able to do it
[07:22] <shirish> dystopianray: is xandr there by default?
[07:22] <dystopianray> shirish: yes, it's a terminal app for changing the X resolution
[07:22] <slytherin> dystopianray: bare ffmpeg doesn't have option for theora encoding. ffmpeg2theora takes too much processor and doesn't accept multiple files.
[07:23] <slytherin> dystopianray: Is there any way this can be done with gst-launch?
[07:23] <JimmyJo22> ok
[07:23] <shirish> dystopianray: thankfully its not installed on my machine
[07:23] <dystopianray> shirish: it should be or your install is broken, it's a standard X component
[07:23] <JimmyJo22> when i want to test the soundserver (any) i become the message that the ressource cannot open to write!
[07:23] <ha978> does a daily build automaticalyl grab all the feisty updates?
[07:23] <`sam`> slytherin, can't you combine the 2 mpeg files and then convert it?
[07:23] <gradin> i've got an issue with updating, anybody know anything about it?
[07:24] <dystopianray> shirish: and it's not just xrandr that crashes it, any resolution changing, such as playing a game
[07:24] <dystopianray> ha978: up to that point, yes
[07:24] <slytherin> `sam`: Combine as in using video editor?
[07:24] <shirish> dystopianray: I tried just issuing xandr, its not there, I tried looking for a man for xandr its not there.
[07:24] <slytherin> ha978: yes it does.
[07:24] <ha978> then will it grab all future updates as well?
[07:24] <dystopianray> shirish: xrandr, not xandr
[07:24] <slytherin> ha978: Yes
[07:24] <ha978> ok cool thanks
[07:24] <slytherin> gradin: What is the issue
[07:25] <gradin> slytherin: one second i'll post the results of sudo apt-get update
[07:25] <shirish> cool ok its there
[07:25] <gradin> !pastebin
[07:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:26] <dystopianray> shirish: it can also be used to rotate the screen
[07:26] <gradin> slytherin:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16275/
[07:26] <dystopianray> shirish: try this: xrandr -o inverted
[07:27] <shirish> dystopianray: I saw that too, there is supposed to be xrandr 1.2 which is supposed to be clear lot of issues
[07:27] <slytherin> gradin: feisty-backports doesn't exist yet. comment it in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:27] <dystopianray> shirish: yeah in X.org 7.3, xrandr 1.2 allows for output device hotplug
[07:28] <shirish> we are right now in 1.1 I believe
[07:28] <dystopianray> shirish: that's right
[07:28] <slytherin> gradin: same for feisty-commercial, feisty-updates, feisty-security
[07:28] <shirish> ok would do that dystopianray but not right now, all crashing (like) activity at the end of the sessions :p
[07:29] <dystopianray> shirish: start another X session and try it there
[07:29] <`sam`> slytherin, i think there's a way to combine 2 mpeg and also convert them to ogg/theora with videolan, but i haven't used it
[07:29] <shirish> dystopianray: how do I start another xsession?
[07:29] <gradin> slytherin: heres my sources list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16276/
[07:30] <dystopianray> shirish: well in kde i can go 'kmenu -> switch user -> start new session'
[07:30] <gradin> can you tell me what needs to be commented?
[07:30] <slytherin> `sam`: might be. I will try to explore. VLC pulls in abut 13 MB :-(
[07:31] <_Neil> Today is tomorrow for me :D What time zone is ubuntu based in?
[07:31] <dystopianray> why is pata_via not enabled? isnt' that supposed to be one of the better tested and developed libata drivers?
[07:31] <Laney> _Neil: UTC iirc
[07:31] <dystopianray> _Neil: ~UTC
[07:31] <slytherin> gradin: Lines 13, 14, 31, 32, 35-38, 49
[07:31] <_Neil> ta guys /me waits for feisty
[07:32] <shirish> dystopianray: that means I have to make another user
[07:32] <mc44> dystopianray: probably due to the great libata catastrophe of last week, but I dunno for sure
[07:32] <dystopianray> _Neil: Mithrandir does the releases and he is in UTC+1 iirc
[07:32] <slytherin> dystopianray: I think there was some problem with it. Check linux-image changelog
[07:32] <dystopianray> shirish: you can login as the same user
[07:32] <dystopianray> slytherin: I don't recall seeing anything relating to pata_via in the changelog
[07:32] <dystopianray> but I will check again
[07:32] <shirish> well I logged in, now how to know there are 2 sessions running?
[07:33] <dystopianray> shirish: well in kde the same switch user menu lists all the sessions
[07:33] <dystopianray> shirish: you probably have sessions on vt7 and vt9, or possibly vt8
[07:33] <slytherin> dystopianray: Check changelog for version 2.6.20-14.23
[07:34] <shirish> dystopianray: nope there is console in vt8 & vt9 is empty
[07:34] <dystopianray> shirish: well i guess you don't have another session started?
[07:34] <dystopianray> shirish: it doesn't matter anyway
[07:34] <shirish> seems to be although I went through the same route u said
[07:35] <dystopianray> slytherin: .23 says nothing about pata_via
[07:35] <shirish> ok will try it, even if crashes
[07:35] <slytherin> dystopianray: I said something about PATA. I thought it was same.
[07:35] <dystopianray> slytherin: oh i found it now, it's 2.6.20-6.8 that it was disabled
[07:38] <`sam`> slytherin, what about concatenating them with ffmpeg or mencoder? and then converting?
[07:39] <slytherin> `sam`: Good suggestion. But neither mencode nor ffmpeg support Theora encoding. Sad thing. :-)
[07:39] <shirish> dystopianray: ok I tried xrandr -0 inverted it did nothing, it blinked for a while & then back to how it is
[07:39] <slytherin> `sam`: sorry, I misundertood you
[07:39] <dystopianray> shirish: xrandr -o inverted
[07:39] <slytherin> `sam`: I will have to use different tools for concatenation and encoding, right?
[07:40] <shirish> dystopianray: I lifted from what u gave, still no issues, come back the way it is.
[07:40] <`sam`> slytherin, looks like it... i've just been searching around because i'm going to want to use something like this too
[07:40] <dystopianray> shirish: ah strange, well try this: xrandr -s 1
[07:41] <slytherin> `sam`: Ripping DVD to theora is easy with Thoggen but I want to combine and encode mpeg-1 videos
[07:41] <shirish> dystopianray: still no change
[07:41] <dystopianray> shirish: if you just type 'xrandr' does it list more than one resolution?
[07:42] <shirish> yup
[07:42] <slytherin> `sam`: I am currently looking into this post, http://davyd.livejournal.com/210041.html Will see if I can construct some get pipeline
[07:42] <shirish> dystopianray: I tried changing resolutions, it is changing no problems atleast here
[07:42] <`sam`> slytherin, seems like it would be easier to concatenate first, and even if you found something that both concatenates and converts it's probably going to use one backend for the concatenating and then another for converting
[07:43] <dystopianray> shirish: hrrm strange
[07:43] <basvg> 'lo all ... earlier when I booted into Feisty I noticed that when I hot the volume-up key on my keybaord I got a really really nice graphical overley (instead of the standard gnome thingy) .... havne't been able to reproduce. Does anyone know where that's hidden?
[07:43] <dystopianray> shirish: what intel card do you have?
[07:43] <slytherin> basvg: never seen it.
[07:44] <shirish> dystopianray: its an i845 intel express chipset
[07:44] <dystopianray> shirish: ah, it might only affect 9xx cards
[07:44] <dystopianray> shirish: i have a i915
[07:45] <basvg> hmm, maybe it is a beryl-thing
[07:45] <shirish> dystopianray: right, I think u told me yesterday when i was not able to do find the upgrade at that point in time
[07:46] <GNu_Joe> I installed tightvncserver and can get a remote vnc desktop up, but when I type in at a command prompt it's jiberish
[07:46] <Slart_> Are there any advantages/disadvantages to just doing the upgrade from edgy to feisty compared to a clean install of feisty?
[07:46] <GNu_Joe> how would I find an answer since my searches are turning up no hits...
[07:46] <shirish> dystopianray: do u know how I can change the refresh rate?
[07:46] <dystopianray> shirish: xrandr should be able to do it, but your available refresh rates depend on you HorizSync and VertRefresh settings in xorg.conf
[07:47] <shirish> dystopianray: I know its taken a refresh rate which i don't like, its 85 which is kinda disturbing other things, while with 75 hz it was looking much better
[07:47] <Ayabara> Anyone got the Cisco VPN client working on Feisty?
[07:47] <TheVault> is there any videos on how to install a mac os x dock for  ubuntu?
[07:48] <dystopianray> Ayabara: i think i had vpnc working a few weeks ago
[07:48] <shirish> dystopianray: ah ok, did that this xandr is pretty cool, xandr - r 75 did the trick lol :p
[07:48] <dystopianray> shirish: does xrandr list different refresh rates next to the resolutions it lists?
[07:48] <dystopianray> shirish: excellent, it's not permanent though
[07:48] <shirish> yup it lists
[07:49] <TheVault> Is there any good tutorials or videos showing you how to install a dock like the one in mac os x?
[07:49] <shirish> dystopianray: I guess the whole thing isn't permanent, it all goes back to how xorg.conf settings
[07:49] <GNu_Joe> will the fiesty beta just become fisty after tommarow or is there some action that has to be done?
[07:49] <dystopianray> shirish: you'll have to adjust the VertRefresh setting in xorg.conf, i think if you lower the higher number to 75 it'll max out at 75Hz
[07:49] <Pici> GNu_Joe: You dont need to do anything special
[07:49] <mc44> GNu_Joe: if you have been installing updates then no
[07:50] <Ayabara> dystopianray, I'm trying to run vpn_install here without any luck. "/linuxcniapi.c:12:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory"
[07:50] <GNu_Joe> thanks
[07:50] <dystopianray> Ayabara: I don't know anything about getting the official cisco client working, sorry
[07:50] <GNu_Joe> just need to solve this tightvncserver issue
[07:50] <Hairulfr> TheVault: Most of those docks are really shite, there is a osx style in the, uhm, the gnome eyecandy thingy, which is the least buggy one
[07:51] <Ayabara> dystopianray, np.
[07:51] <TheVault> Hairulfr: I just want a dock that moves when my mouse is over the icons & the icons bounce when I cilck on it. The dock in Gdesklets really sux
[07:52] <Hairulfr> TheVault: Yeah, I know, but it's the least troublesome one I've come across. There is KIBA-dock, but I don't know if there are any good guides
[07:52] <shirish> dystopianray: I wouldn't fiddle, what happened was when I used the xrandr -s 0  it went to 75 hz (1152x864) which is too small for me, when i came back to xandr -s 1 (1024*768) it took at 85 hz rather than 75 hz which it usually gives.
[07:52] <Slart_> TheVault: there is the cairo dock or whatever it's called now.. but you'll have to compile it yourself.. and I think you have to hardcode links and icons
[07:52] <TheVault> Slart_: As long as there is a guide showing me how, then I'm fine
[07:52] <Laney> I heard avant was good. Don't know how true that is though.
[07:53] <dystopianray> shirish: so it normally gives you 75Hz?
[07:53] <TheVault> Slart_: I just need a good guide showing me how to install & things
[07:53] <shirish> dystopianray: that's right
[07:53] <Ayabara> dystopianray, in case anyone else asks you, you seem to need a patch to the source to make it install :-)
[07:53] <Slart_> TheVault: hehe.. well guide is a big word.. there are a couple of outdated readme's, some cryptic 'I did kind of like this and it didn't work'-texts.. call it a guide if you want =)
[07:53] <dystopianray> Ayabara: have you tried vpnc?
[07:54] <Slart_> TheVault: there are no easy-to-install/good looking docks that I know
[07:54] <TheVault> Slart_: Well I'm searching for howtos right now
[07:54] <shirish> dystopianray: what does it give you normally?
[07:55] <dystopianray> shirish: 60
[07:55] <Ayabara> Ayabara, no. I don't even know what it is
[07:55] <shirish> dystopianray: hmm... and I'm guessing its an LCD display
[07:56] <dystopianray> shirish: yep
[07:56] <dystopianray> shirish: it's a laptop
[07:56] <shirish> dystopianray: so it doesn't give good pictures & whenever u try xrandr it crashes
[07:56] <dystopianray> shirish: the picture is fine, changing resolution crashes X
[07:57] <dystopianray> has anyone tried prboom? it's locking up fairly regularly for me
[07:58] <Shaffox> is the official release still tomorrow ?
[07:58] <dystopianray> Shaffox: yes
[07:58] <Shaffox> nice
[07:58] <shirish> dystopianray: ah that sucks, but still good to know about xrandr its a cool tool
[07:59] <dystopianray> shirish: it's not a big deal though, my laptop's bios has all the necessary resolutions so I don't need 915resolution
[08:00] <GNu_Joe> other then vino is there a way to get VNC working on Feisty?
[08:00] <shirish> that's cool, there was a time where I could have upgrade my BIOS but didn't  & now don't wanna risk it
[08:02] <dystopianray> shirish: i'm surprised that this lapto has a 1680x1050 vesa mode, makes for an awesome framebuffer
[08:02] <shirish> dystopianray: I hope u do put in the details in the wiki, in the laptop testing thing
[08:03] <spikeb> woah. nice laptop
[08:03] <dystopianray> it's just a dell inspiron 6000
[08:03] <hylje> my oldie lappy has 1600x1200
[08:04] <shirish> dystopianray: I'm surprised dell's are notorious for breaking down, implementations not good enough, there are lot of support calls routed for dell support to india
[08:04] <dystopianray> shirish: this one has been great and all the hardware is supported in linux, except the modem
[08:04] <Tomg> dystopianray: how much it cost?
[08:05] <knix__> I upgraded to feisty server and now it wont boot all the way, it hangs at local boot scripts.
[08:05] <dystopianray> Tomg: i think it was around AUD$1500 in february 2006
[08:05] <shirish> dystopianray: wow that is expensive
[08:05] <`davo> so wlan0 is suddenly missing
[08:05] <dystopianray> shirish: it's australian dollars
[08:05] <Tomg> dystopianray: o rite kool, ill have to look into that...
[08:06] <BluesKaj> shirish, Dell also sells the most pcs of any maker so statiscally  they will have more support calls anyway
[08:06] <hylje> most good stuff tends to be expensive
[08:06] <concept10> does anyone think the gnome-panel should wait to appear until all applets are loaded or is that just me?
[08:07] <`davo> I get this error when trying to configure my wlan0 connection SIOCGIFFLAGS error: No such device
[08:07] <dystopianray> `davo: ndiswrapper?
[08:07] <`davo> edgy supported my wireless card, what happened?
[08:07] <dystopianray> `davo: are you using ndiswrapper?
[08:07] <`davo> no
[08:08] <dystopianray> `davo: what driver is it using?
[08:08] <`davo> I have no idea.  When I installed 6.10 it worked fine
[08:10] <aldin> how to play .amr files?
[08:10] <Tomg> try medibuntu
[08:11] <aldin> Tomg: is it adressed to me if so what do u mean medibuntu
[08:12] <mewt> Hi, I just upgraded to feisty and i have the following problem..after i restart, xserver wont load and says that there is a version mismatch between the nvidia kernel module and the driver
[08:12] <mewt> i have 9755 version
[08:12] <knix__> mewt, new header files?
[08:12] <knix__> mewt, uname -r
[08:12] <jonah> ok guys, and when i use photoshop or whatever in xp, how do i save files across to ubuntu?
[08:12] <GNu_Joe> newt, did you enable the restriced drivers?
[08:12] <jonah> from vmware i mean
[08:12] <aldin> jonah: www.fs-driver-org
[08:12] <dystopianray> jonah: you can't
[08:13] <aldin> if ur ubuntu is ext3
[08:13] <mewt> mewt@tehgraveyard:~$ uname -r
[08:13] <mewt> 2.6.20-15-generic
[08:13] <mewt> but if i reinstall the driver
[08:13] <mewt> it works fine
[08:13] <netmon1> Is there a specific time Feisty will launch
[08:13] <mewt> after a restart it comes back to the erro
[08:13] <dystopianray> jonah: but you should be able to mount the vmware partition in feisty and grab the file out
[08:13] <dystopianray> jonah: or you may be able to share files with the vm over smb
[08:13] <knix__> mewt, im not sure
[08:13] <GNu_Joe> mewt, I installed the nvidia-new driver and it fix my issue BTW
[08:13] <BluesKaj> GNu_Joe, nfts-3g , install it and you will have read/write access to your windows partition
[08:13] <mc44> netmon1: nope
[08:14] <mewt> so i should uninstall the one i manually installed
[08:14] <mewt> and install nvidia-glx-new ?
[08:14] <GNu_Joe> BluesKaj, wrong person
[08:14] <knix__> I upgraded to feisty server and now it wont boot all the way, it hangs at local boot scripts.  Any idea how to fix this?
[08:14] <mewt> if i recall well the problem still remained there when i tried it :S
[08:14] <Angeluz> knix__: Does it say "Loading files needed to boot"?
[08:14] <GNu_Joe> mewt just install the one with -new that will figure out what to un-install
[08:14] <knix__> Angeluz, let me check
[08:14] <BluesKaj> oops GNu_Joe
[08:14] <Angeluz> There where a few sata/ide problems with the kernel.
[08:15] <mewt> GNu_Joe, ok will try that
[08:15] <Angeluz> But that has been fixed a few hours later.
[08:15] <dystopianray> oh i love the new amarok, shoutcast stream browser is great
[08:16] <Angeluz> Na, Rhythmbox... :->
[08:16] <Angeluz> :)
[08:16] <knix__> Angeluz, its on* Running local boot scripts etc/rc.local.   It has been sitting there for 2 days now... But atleast apache started before it, so my webpage is ok.  but I cannot get to the command prompt.
[08:17] <Angeluz> Can you access an early kernel?
[08:17] <knix__> ie?
[08:17] <`davo> when was the 7.04 beta last updated?
[08:17] <Angeluz> davo, yesterday, if I'm not mistaken.
[08:17] <`davo> poo.
[08:17] <knix__> Angeluz, what do you mean early kernel?
[08:18] <Angeluz> knix__: There should be a list of kernel-versions before ubuntu starts.
[08:18] <`davo> My wireless card was supported natively in 6.10, now it's not..any idea what happened to that?  There's not even a wireless connection in the network settings
[08:18] <knix__> Angeluz, well it running as a vm, ill have to check
[08:19] <knix__> Angeluz, ok, i can get to that, what should I select?
[08:20] <mc44> knix__: -13 probably if you have it
[08:20] <Angeluz> Try a [...] .15 version, or the kernel, that you remember booting correctly.
[08:20] <knix__> Angeluz, -11 and -15
[08:20] <Angeluz> Try 15 first.
[08:20] <knix__> recovery mode?
[08:20] <Angeluz> Then install the latest updates.
[08:20] <Angeluz> That's optional.
[08:21] <Angeluz> If you'd like to install the latest updates with GUI, then don't do recovery.
[08:21] <Angeluz> If that doesn't work, you can choose recovery.
[08:21] <richb> Hey all.
[08:21] <knix__> Angeluz, ty
[08:22] <Angeluz> It works? :)
[08:22] <knix__> Angeluz, no, I am in the process of doing it, I just wanted to ty for the help
[08:22] <Angeluz> Okay. You're welcome.
[08:23] <st9> bmpx > amarok
[08:25] <richb> Has anyone had any problems with the gnuchess gui lagging in feisty?
[08:25] <Angeluz> richb: Yes.
[08:25] <Angeluz> But that may just be my dualhead-configuration with mergedfb.
[08:25] <Angeluz> I'm not sure. :-/
[08:26] <richb> Angeluz: It's the same here with the radeon driver
[08:27] <knix__> Angeluz, ok, its hanging on recovery mode , too.   try -11 now?
[08:27] <Angeluz> knix__: Yes, I'd try that.
[08:28] <knix__> Angeluz, kk, what are all they?
[08:30] <Angeluz> knix__: They are different kernel-versions.
[08:30] <knix__> Angeluz, kk
[08:30] <Angeluz> A failsafe-listing, so to say, in case something goes wrong while updating your kernel.
[08:31] <knix__> ok, still hangs :(
[08:32] <whitehawk> I added a wifi connection manually (cause it wasn'T discovered, no ssid broadcast) and where can I change it's settinga?
[08:33] <knix__> Angeluz, I think I am SOL, every kernel hangs, and I have only one terminal.  :(
[08:34] <knix__> Angeluz, Ill just suk it up reinstall, but ty again, later
[08:35] <greg_g> knix__: having problems?
[08:35] <knix__> greg_g, yo greggy.  i am always having issues, heehee
[08:35] <mewt> GNu_Joe: Im back, i rebooted and i got the same error
[08:36] <concept10> knix__, where is your system hanging?
[08:36] <greg_g> knix__: that sucks
[08:36] <knix__> greg_g, yup
[08:36] <knix__> concept10, on starting local boot scripts, etc/rc.local
[08:37] <knix__> concept10, I have tried all kernel versions, but nada, poof there it goes
[08:37] <concept10> knix__, you said in recovery mode also?
[08:37] <knix__> yup
[08:37] <GNu_Joe> mewt, does the restricted manager show that you are useing it?
[08:37] <concept10> knix__, reinstalling may help or not help, but I just fixed a problem on my system that was similar\
[08:37] <mewt> GNu_Joe: the error is this: API mismatch, the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7184, this xmodule has the version 1.0-9755
[08:37] <knix__> concept10, please tell
[08:38] <concept10> knix__, can you get to a terminal on that system?
[08:38] <mewt> i dont know, cant log back in right now
[08:38] <knix__> concept10, fyi, I had a dapper server then upgraded to edgy then to feisty
[08:38] <knix__> concept10, nope
[08:39] <mewt> GNu_Joe: If i try install nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755
[08:39] <concept10> knix__, you have several options to debug, this includes disabling scripts from the boot process or maybe passing kernel options
[08:40] <knix__> concept10, ok
[08:40] <concept10> knix__, in my case, my system would hang on the GDM login
[08:40] <knix__> hmm
[08:40] <mewt> it says that it has no installation candidate
[08:40] <concept10> knix__, but I could get into the system using recovery mode and either running startx or gdm
[08:40] <mewt> and points me to teh linux restricted modules packages
[08:40] <concept10> knix__, so to track down the problem I needed to find what it was hanging on
[08:41] <knix__> how?
[08:41] <concept10> knix__, I started disabling stuff that I didnt need using the sysv-rc-conf tool.
[08:41] <knix__> how do I use that if I cant get to the prompt?
[08:41] <concept10> knix__, for example, a recently installed app called irda-utils and wacom-tools
[08:41] <mewt> GNu_Joe: any ideas please ? im kinda desperate now..been on this prob for quite a number of hours
[08:42] <knix__> concept10, do you know what it really funny?
[08:42] <concept10> knix__, you could use a live cd and then chroot into the system
[08:42] <concept10> knix__, whats funny?
[08:42] <knix__> concept10, I just installed a fresh copy of feisty server and that also is hanging at the same place
[08:42] <GNu_Joe> mewt, there were some threads on this, seems an uninstall / re-install fixes some people
[08:43] <mewt> of the whole os ??
[08:43] <GNu_Joe> mewt, no just the nVidia drivers
[08:43] <concept10> knix__, are you doing the minimum server install?
[08:43] <Shentino> I think I may have a bug to report
[08:43] <knix__> yup
[08:43] <knix__> concept10, so its feisty's issue then
[08:43] <Shentino> an install problem that doesn't even get past the kernel bootstrap
[08:43] <mewt> GNu_Joe: :( tried taht a couple of times now..both the nvidia-glx-new package and also the manual install
[08:44] <concept10> knix__, it maybe some issue with a hard disk chipset
[08:44] <knix__> true
[08:44] <concept10> knix__, besides, if you are using that box for only a server, use debian etch..
[08:44] <knix__> I wish I could see what exactly it is hanging on
[08:45] <mewt> GNu_Joe: works fine as soon as i install it, and after a reboot the error is back :'(
[08:45] <knix__> lol, I like ubuntu as my server
[08:46] <GNu_Joe> mewt, don't know then, didn't get that error on my system... have you searched the ubuntu site for bugs and or mosts?
[08:46] <concept10> knix__, why?  there is no additional benefit to using ubuntu as a server _unless_ you _truly_ need new packages.  I promise you when I say that my debian sever has _never_ crashed in three years
[08:46] <DigitalNinja> When does the new ISO for Feisty hit the servers?
[08:46] <knix__> concept10, ok, I will take your word and try that
[08:46] <mewt> i tried the forums as yet
[08:46] <Mithrandir> DigitalNinja: when I press the "Release" button.
[08:46] <knix__> concept10, ty,  I have to go, ttyl
[08:46] <concept10> knix__, np, later
[08:47] <knix__> l8
[08:47] <DigitalNinja> Mithrandir: Are you the official "release" guy?
[08:47] <Shentino> When I run ubuntu installation, the kernel freezes up at the ACPI probe
[08:47] <mewt> GNu_Joe: thanks anyway..il try the forums a bit more
[08:47] <mewt> and have a look at launchpaf
[08:47] <mewt> and have a look at launchpad
[08:48] <concept10> Shentino, boot with the noacpi option
[08:48] <Mithrandir> DigitalNinja: yes, I'm the release manager.
[08:48] <ravi_> is there any way run Migration Assistant after I install from an alternates CD?
[08:49] <Mithrandir> DigitalNinja: the release, assuming nothing break between now and tomorrow will happen sometime daytime UTC tomorrow.  I haven't decided on the exact time yet.
[08:49] <DigitalNinja> Mithrandir: So, can you give us a little hint on when we can start sucking down the new Feisty?
[08:49] <DigitalNinja> I see
[08:49] <DigitalNinja> I
[08:49] <Mithrandir> DigitalNinja: the latest dailies will be bit-identical to the released images, assuming we don't delay.  (And I don't see any reason to, with the current set of bugs I am aware of)
[08:50] <Angeluz> Thanks for the headsup, Mithrandir.
[08:50] <ravi_> Windows Migration Assistant after install of an Alternates CD?
[08:50] <DigitalNinja> Mithrandir: I'm trying to get a copy for our LUG which meets every Friday.
[08:50] <Mithrandir> DigitalNinja: coolie.  I'd recommend just grabbing the latest daily then.
[08:51] <DigitalNinja> Will there be any changes between the daily and the one that comes out tomorrow?
[08:52] <DigitalNinja> The "official" release
[08:52] <Mithrandir> assuming that we don't delay; no.  The release will be a copy of the latest daily.
[08:52] <Angeluz> Mithrandir: Is there a way to submit artworks for Gibbon?
[08:52] <Laney> Would that be the one dated April 15th?
[08:52] <ravi_> come on, can anyone get off the ridiculous release talk and answer my question real quickly?
[08:53] <DigitalNinja> Mithrandir: So I should be able to get the daily for tomorrow and be up to date or should I just get the one for Today.
[08:53] <Mithrandir> Laney: for the Ubuntu and Edubuntu CDs it's the 20070415 build, for Kubuntu it's the 20070417 build, for DVDs it's a 20070418 build.
[08:53] <Laney> That's what I thought, thanks a bunch Mithrandir!
[08:54] <Mithrandir> DigitalNinja: just get the current daily; it's called "daily" because it's usually built automatically each day, but in release periods we build it on demand (but they're still referred to as dailies)
[08:54] <Mithrandir> ravi_: not that I know of, no.
[08:54] <DigitalNinja> Mithrandir: Thanks.
[08:54] <ravi_> Mithrandir: bah, there really should be a way of doing that
[08:54] <conn> hi, does anyone know if the livecd is supposed to use on-disk swap when booted into the live environment?
[08:54] <DigitalNinja> I'll get the daily tomorrow
[08:54] <Mithrandir> ravi_: patches accepted. :-)
[08:55] <Mithrandir> conn: it's supposed to, but it doesn't always due to some bugs in my code.
[08:55] <Laney> Can the migration assistant not be ran outside of the installer?
[08:55] <ravi_> that's what I am asking about Laney, do you know?
[08:55] <Laney> I don't know
[08:55] <Laney> But I was going to try and hack it to import from Thunderbird, so it would be helpful
[08:55] <Mithrandir> Angeluz: Gutsy isn't even open yet, so "not yet".  It will be possible later.
[08:56] <Angeluz> I thought so. Thank you.
[08:56] <Shentino> THANKS CONCEPT10
[08:56] <Shentino> (oops, capslock)
[08:56] <Mithrandir> Laney: To the best of my knowledge, it's not possible to run it outside of the installer.  It sounds like a useful feature, though.
[08:56] <Shentino> Can I install ubuntu with only 32 MB of ram?
[08:56] <conn> Mithrandir, on my oldest system with 196mb ram, the livecd never worked correctly, but a recent daily livecd booted much faster than usual and installed in a reasonable amount of time (30 mins altogether)... will the final release try to use swap?
[08:56] <ravi_> yeah... all of this is Open source, can someone point me to the source code of the installer?
[08:57] <Angeluz> Shentino: 64 is the minimum amount of ram, as far as I remember.
[08:57] <Mithrandir> ravi_: apt-get source ubiquity or bzr branch http://launchpad.net/ubiquity/
[08:57] <mstrzele> ravi_: search ubiquity on packages.ubuntu.com and download .tar.gz archive
[08:58] <ravi_> th
[08:58] <ravi_> x
[08:58] <Mithrandir> conn: yes, it'll try, but there's a race condition there so it might unfortunately not work correctly or not work correctly in all cases, even on the same machine.
[08:58] <concept10> Shentino, what kind of processor is it?
[08:58] <Mithrandir> conn: I'll try to get it fixed for gutsy, but so much to do, so little time.
[08:58] <conn> Mithrandir, no worries, I was just curious... and thanks for the great work :)
[09:00] <Shentino> Pentium MMX 166 MHz
[09:01] <Shentino> I am willing to do swapfile and ramdisk size acrobatics
[09:01] <Shentino> In fact, I did just that to get fedora core 1 installed
[09:01] <Angeluz> Even my 266Mhz P1-Laptop was too slow with 64mb of ram and Ubuntu Dapper.
[09:01] <Shentino> and I don't mind working in console
[09:01] <Angeluz> You should at least stick with Xubuntu then, Shentino.
[09:02] <Shentino> distinguish Xubuntu from "vanilla" ubuntu
[09:03] <Laney> xfce instead of gnome
[09:03] <Shentino> I like twm :P
[09:03] <Shentino> or even just a plain xterm
[09:04] <Shentino> :P
[09:06] <Shentino> Will ubuntu make it far enough into install to turn on a swap partition?
[09:06] <Angeluz> Hm... doesn't Ubuntu include debians text-installer?
[09:07] <Pici> Angeluz: The alternative CD has a text-based installer.
[09:07] <concept10> Shentino, I wouldnt even consider using that box for more than a router
[09:07] <warior> i have problem with subtitles in mplayer special slovakian chars are not displayed properly, totem is not working anyway with avi files...
[09:07] <Shaddox> Mornin' everyone, ^^
[09:07] <Shentino> I know it's not advisable,
[09:07] <DigitalNinja> Can someone give me some info on how to create an automated installer? I know it can be done I'm just not sure where to start.
[09:08] <warior> there is also a second problem ... I can find wofo but i cant connect to it :(
[09:08] <lupine_85> P166 would be fine for an fbdev system
[09:08] <Shentino> but I'm happy so long is doesn't freeze or crash.
[09:08] <Angeluz> warior: Change the Encoding in mplayers preferences window.
[09:08] <Shentino> my standards are pretty low
[09:08] <lupine_85> it might even be able to do vanilla X
[09:08] <warior> Angeluz i have already
[09:08] <concept10> Shentino, is that the only box you use?
[09:08] <Shentino> it's the only box I have
[09:08] <Shentino> in one piece
[09:08] <Shentino> so, um yeah.
[09:08] <lupine_85> to install, you just need to get into the terminal (alt+f2) as early as possible and enable swap
[09:09] <Tomg> does anyone have aiglx working on a radeon 9800?
[09:09] <Shentino> ok, good
[09:09] <Id2ndR> Hi everybody, do you know how to ship Ubuntu CD's of feisty for a LUG ?
[09:09] <lupine_85> I did it on a P133 + 32MB RAM once
[09:09] <lupine_85> alternate CD, of course
[09:09] <Shentino> and will it run a AVB USB 2.0 flash drive running through a VIA USB Controller, without instantly slowing down?
[09:09] <concept10> Shentino, dude, where do you live ?  I'll give you a box
[09:09] <Angeluz> Tomg: It should work with all radeons up to x850 with xorg-radeon-drivers.
[09:10] <Tomg> Angeluz: should, but im getting major gfx corruption, just wondered if anone had the same problem
[09:10] <shirish> ok guys can anybody help me to know what HAL is?
[09:10] <Shentino> my guess is Hardware Abstraction Layer
[09:10] <lupine_85> yep
[09:10] <Angeluz> Tomg: Like?
[09:10] <lupine_85> Shentino: USB shouldn't slow it down at all
[09:10] <shirish> Shentino: ok it says failed to initialize HAL
[09:11] <Angeluz> Maybe your resolution is too high, Tomg?
[09:11] <shirish> Angeluz: are u talking to me or to Tomg?
[09:11] <Shaddox> shirish: HAL is the Hardware Abstraction Layer. I think it's responsible for mounting removable media, and making sure everything works inside the GNOME desktop environment.
[09:12] <sine> hey shirish!
[09:12] <sine> that seems to be a kernel bug
[09:12] <Angeluz> I'm talking to Tomg. ;)
[09:12] <shirish> sine:hi, have we meet before?
[09:12] <Shaddox> shirish: Then again, all I know for sure is that it's the Hardware Abstraction Layer, ^^
[09:12] <sine> i upgraded my 20-15 kernel via dist-upgrade
[09:12] <sine> then it worked
[09:12] <sine> try that :)
[09:13] <shirish> ok lemme describe what happened maybe somebody knows what happened or what i need to do
[09:13] <Shaddox> I'm on the generic kernel but having no problems, hell, since this morning even my wireless is behaving right! :D
[09:13] <shirish> I was playing this game called memonix which crashed my gdm (blank screen) can't get to any of the tty's
[09:13] <Shentino> ctrl-alt-backspace?
[09:14] <shirish> Shentino tried CTRL+ALT+F1-F6
[09:14] <shirish> Shentino: I was in Gnome, metacity playing this game memonix
[09:14] <Shentino> hmmm
[09:15] <shirish> Shentino: so did the magic keys things,  with ALT+SYS RQ + s , then u & then finally b (to reboot)
[09:16] <shirish> Shentino: again tried via the -15 kernel didn't work, again blank screen
[09:16] <shirish> Shentino: then went to -12 didn't work, after GDM login again black screen
[09:16] <Shentino> hmmm...
[09:16] <Shentino> did you try the sysrq "terminate all" thing?
[09:17] <shirish> Shentino: what is sysrq "terminate all" thing?
[09:17] <Shentino> it SIGTERM's everything but init
[09:17] <shirish> how does one do that?
[09:17] <warior> when i tried to play avi in toten it writes out Internal data flow error.
[09:17] <Shentino> alt-sysrq-T
[09:17] <Shentino> I think...
[09:17] <Shentino> check the sysrq help message (alt-sysrq-h)
[09:17] <Shentino> if it refuses to die, try (kill all)
[09:19] <Angeluz> Is an off-ubuntu-question allowed here?
[09:19] <Shaddox> Angeluz: What's the question?
[09:19] <shirish> Shentino: my sysrq shares screen with print screen
[09:20] <Pici> Depends on what the question is.
[09:20] <Pici> shirish: Alt-printscrn invokes sysrq
[09:20] <Angeluz> Is there a huge difference between Sin City in the cinema-version and the Extended Recut? ;)
[09:20] <Pici> Angeluz: #ubuntu-offtopic ;)  And I have no idea.
[09:21] <Shaddox> Angeluz: Extended recuts suck, in my opinion. People shouldn't mess with the movies.
[09:21] <Angeluz> Alright, thanks.
[09:21] <Angeluz> Pici: Good to know. ;o)
[09:21] <shirish> pici: I have a button labelled print screen as well as sysrq below it
[09:22] <shirish> doing alt+print screen (sys RQ) + h invokes multiple save screenshots dialogs
[09:22] <Pici> shirish: Yes, as do I.  Pressing alt+printscrn on a keyboard that has printscreen and sysrq on the same key means sysrq.
[09:22] <Shaddox> My printscreen is Fn+Ins, my sysrq is Fn+Del, it's freaky. ^^
[09:23] <Shaddox> im not used to laptops though
[09:23] <Shaddox> only had one for a year
[09:23] <Pici> Shaddox: Now thats just weird ;)
[09:23] <Pici> I'd have to get used to that
[09:23] <Shaddox> the hardest thing to get used to is the touchpad
[09:23] <shirish> so guys which brings me back to my story
[09:23] <Shaddox> cause i'm a first person shooter gamer. ^^
[09:23] <Angeluz> Shaddox: Yes, I hate 'em too.
[09:24] <Angeluz> But on a macbook, they're pretty nice.
[09:24] <shirish> so what I finally did was use the -12 recovery , on the prompt used GDM & then finally it says HAL fails, is this ok?
[09:24] <Shaddox> Yeah, I got my laptop set up on a TV tray right now, cause my desk is overflowing with papers of me trying to get my damn nameservers set up. ^^
[09:25] <alteroo> is the fiesty due date still the week of april 19th?
[09:25] <Mithrandir> alteroo: yes, tomorrow
[09:25] <Shaddox> alteroo: So far, yes. Check the topic of the room if you're ever not sure. ^^
[09:25] <alteroo> Mithrandir: Shaddox ... yes topic is my friend :-)
[09:25] <Shaddox> I can't wait for this thing to get released
[09:26] <Shaddox> Cause i can finally test out my DVD writer drive
[09:27] <shirish> Shaddox: what did u mean ALT+SYSRQ+T
[09:27] <Shaddox> shirish: Uh, wrong person. I never said anything like that. ^^
[09:28] <shirish> ok do u know about about what ALT+SYSRQ+T does?
[09:28] <shirish> somebody told me : it SIGTERM's everything but init
[09:28] <shirish> what does that mean?
[09:28] <Shaddox> shirish: SIGTERM kills all processes. So does SIGKILL, I think.
[09:29] <DanaG> yay, forkbomb + watchdog == reboot.
[09:29] <Shaddox> shirish: They're used as far as I know hen the shutdown command is issued.
[09:29] <DanaG> forkbomb WITHOUT watchdog == freeze and hard turn off by power button.
[09:29] <DanaG> But what are good values for /etc/security/limits.conf ?
[09:29] <shirish> Shaddox: ok so its a graceful shutdown kinda
[09:29] <Shaddox> Kind of
[09:29] <Shaddox> SIGTERM will only terminate the process
[09:30] <Shaddox> If it's waiting for user input, or not responding, SIGKILL will do nothing.
[09:30] <Shaddox> er, SIGTERM*
[09:30] <shirish> so do I drop down to a prompt or something?
[09:30] <Shaddox> then again, SIGKILL will terminate all processes immediately
[09:30] <DanaG> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Watchdog_Timer
[09:30] <Shaddox> with a forcekill
[09:32] <Angeluz> I tend to leave my finger on the shift-key while thinking... is there a way to deactivate that type-delay-thing?
[09:32] <shirish> ok let's say my computer has gone blank, the monitor, what steps should I take in case if its not responding
[09:33] <gils> do any of you fine people have experience with bcrypt.????
[09:35] <GNu_Joe> does anyone know the exact time GMT that Fiesty will be released? ( this is info for a release party only )
[09:35] <crimsun> there is no precise time.
[09:35] <crimsun> well, I lied. It's: "When It's Finished".
[09:35] <GNu_Joe> ;-)
[09:35] <dystopianray> GNu_Joe: all we know is, sometime during the day ~UTC
[09:36] <Mithrandir> crimsun: sure? :-P  Maybe I've decided already.
[09:36] <mc44> crimsun: When its ready, itll never be finished :)
[09:36] <GNu_Joe> dystopianray, ah today or tomarrow
[09:36] <dystopianray> GNu_Joe: april 19
[09:36] <crimsun> Mithrandir: true, I can't push the big red button
[09:36] <DanaG> Why does Ubuntu set ulimit to infinite by default?
[09:36] <mc44> Mithrandir: just dont eat cheese before going to bed
[09:36] <mc44> Dont want you dreaming bad things
[09:36] <Mithrandir> crimsun: it's a shame 0704 is just too early for me to be getting out of bed and ready to release at that time.
[09:37] <crimsun> Mithrandir: :-)
[09:37] <mc44> Mithrandir: maybe next year :)
[09:37] <Mithrandir> mc44: I dreamt about asking Henrik to send a mail to u-d-a about getting more testerst, some nights ago.
[09:37] <mc44> haha
[09:37] <Mithrandir> he's a nice guy, but I'd like to keep him out of my dreams.
[09:38] <Megaqwerty> is there a way to get old debian packages? (I ran sudo aptitude autoclean only to find I needed the older version)
[09:38] <thoreauputic> Megaqwerty: packages.ubuntu.com
[09:39] <Megaqwerty> thoreauputic: it has old revisions from the same version (i.e. feisty)
[09:39] <Megaqwerty> ?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> Megaqwerty: as far as I know, yes
[09:39] <Megaqwerty> thoreauputic: thanks
[09:41] <Angeluz> I tend to leave my finger on the shift-key while thinking... is there a way to deactivate that type-delay-thing? < Repeat. :)
[09:42] <shirish> guys I wanna try out gcjwebplugin with firefox, anybody has any idea, I have already installed it
[09:43] <Wikzo> Anyone knows the specific time for 7.04 release? :)
[09:43] <spheard> Hi, I have two network connections (eth0 and eth1) as my laptop is acting as the gateway no my network, Im trying to ssh to a machine, will it try to find 192.168.0.3 on both networks? or will I need to specify which network device?
[09:44] <shirish> ok cancel that it seems it already got figured with firefox
[09:47] <thoreauputic> Angeluz: System -Preferences - Accessibility
[09:47] <Stoffer> considering that the stable 7 version is being released tomorrow, is it a better idea to do a fresh install of the latest 7beta vs. 6.1?  As a background, I still consider myself a newbie, even though I've used gentoo for several months at a time (just not in the past year)
[09:48] <Stoffer> and I want to dual boot...so I have to figure that one out first
[09:48] <VR_> Stoffer, dual-boot with windows, or another distro?
[09:49] <Angeluz> thoreauputic: It's deactivated there, but when I press shift for a while, I am getting asked if I want to activate it.
[09:49] <Stoffer> windows
[09:49] <Mithrandir> Stoffer: I'd recommend using the latest image from cdimage.ubuntu.com.
[09:50] <Stoffer> has the installer improved over 6.1?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> Angeluz: ah I see - i don't know how you turn that off
[09:50] <Stoffer> or the networking manager?
[09:50] <Mithrandir> Stoffer: both.
[09:50] <Mithrandir> (and it's 6.10, not 6.1)
[09:50] <Mithrandir> (2006-10, from when it was released)
[09:51] <Stoffer> ok
[09:51] <mips> Hmm, Feisty is a dog on my laptop. Way to much disk access and it feels slow. Vista might just feel faster but I'm not gonna buy it just to try ;)
[09:51] <Stoffer> I'm browsing that directory, where do I find the image?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Angeluz: funny, it doesn't do that here...
[09:52] <Mithrandir> Stoffer: which architecture?
[09:52] <Stoffer> i386
[09:52] <Stoffer> i'm running an amd athalon xp barton 3000*
[09:52] <mips> Stoffer, just use the daily build, I really cant see them doing many changes between now and tomorrow.
[09:52] <Stoffer> 3000+
[09:53] <Stoffer> that's the one in the "current' directory right?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Mithrandir: you guys have done a great job, btw - nice work in 7.04 :)
[09:53] <mips> Stoffer, yes
[09:53] <Mithrandir> Stoffer: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070415/feisty-desktop-i386.iso is the one you want.
[09:53] <Mithrandir> thoreauputic: thanks. :-)
[09:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:54] <mc44> \o/
[09:54] <mips> Stoffer, should have todays or yesterdays date on the file
[09:54] <Stoffer> looks to be yesterdays
[09:54] <Mithrandir> mips: the one I linked to is the latest i386 desktop install.
[09:54] <Stoffer> wait, 0415 was a few days ago though
[09:54] <mc44> Stoffer: right, thats the candidate atm
[09:54] <mips> Why would anyone want the DesktopCD ? Alternative is the way to go
[09:55] <mirak> is launchpad not open sourced because they want to add distributed features in it, so each project could have is datas on it's own server, and the datas would be available and easily linkable to everyone ?
[09:55] <thoreauputic> Stoffer: you will only have minimal updates from that one
[09:55] <Stoffer> nice
[09:55] <Stoffer> now to find some burning software...
[09:55] <mc44> mirak: launchpad is not open because sabdfl would like to break even eventually
[09:55] <jdrake> Q: Is there any media support on 64 bit yet by chance? (I notice there is some nspluginwrapper magic for browser stuff).
[09:55] <Stoffer> i just did a fresh install of windows (which is why I have 220GB unformatted space left over just for linux & a shared partition), so I barely have anything installed
[09:56] <mips> Stoffer, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[09:56] <thoreauputic> mirak: I read that Mark doesn't want forks to appear - would defeat the purpose - but the intention is to open it asap
[09:56] <AdministratorX> Yes alternative is the way to go "if" you know what you are doing! If not then DesktopCD is a good fit for others.
[09:56] <mc44> thoreauputic: but mostly because he wants to break even :p
[09:56] <Stoffer> mips: I'm already downloading an image, though.  ?
[09:56] <thoreauputic> mc44: *shrug* I don't know - that's just ehat I read
[09:57] <thoreauputic> &what
[09:57] <Mithrandir> unless you know you want alternate, go with desktop.  You get the same set of software installed, but alternate allows for more complex setups like RAID.
[09:57] <mc44> thoreauputic: yes, I know. Just being cynical. Dont mind me
[09:57] <AdministratorX> lol
[09:57] <thoreauputic> The Desktop install is so easy it's almost sinful ;p
[09:58] <thoreauputic> Linux just shouldn't be that easy ;-)
[09:58] <mc44> thoreauputic: I deliberatly blindfold myself to try and recreate the real linux experience
[09:58] <thoreauputic> mc44: exactly ;)
[09:58] <Korgmatose> tomorrow, this channel will be for Gusty Gibbon instead :)
[09:58] <mc44> yeah, good luck installing that tomorrow :p
[09:59] <Korgmatose> hehe
[09:59] <Mithrandir> mc44: I had great fun when I was trying to get Korean keyboards working correctly.
[09:59] <Mithrandir> (through the whole install)
[09:59] <mirak> mc44 thoreauputic that's what I think, but I am discussing with mandriva people that don't want to understand that, and think they should have the right to take the sources and fork it if they want.
[09:59] <Mithrandir> my Korean is non-existent. :-)
[09:59] <mc44> Mithrandir: haha, cant be much harder than those nordic ones :p
[10:00] <Stoffer> ok, now can anyone here point me to a good tutorial on dual booting windows & ubuntu, one that'll start from an install of windows?
[10:00] <mips> Somehow I dont think I will keep Feisty on my laptop, will have to find something else.
[10:00] <mc44> Mithrandir: its pretty though :)
[10:01] <stefg> Stoffer: install windows first, leave space on the hd to be taken later by ubuntu... the ubuntu installer will care for that
[10:01] <Stoffer> stefg: ok, that's what I have now
[10:01] <Mithrandir> mc44: it gets a lot harder when you have trouble recognising letters.  If you don't know any pictographic languages, going to china or something makes you feel like an illiterate.
[10:01] <Stoffer> stefg: the 6.10 installed confused me w/ making me go into manual partitioning
[10:01] <Stoffer> *installer
[10:02] <mips> Stoffer, as per stefg. Just install windows first and leave space available after the windows partition. Install Ubuntu to the free space and it will take care of the rest
[10:02] <mirak> thoreauputic: could they be reassured of using launchpad if they can have exports of the database, (and not open source it)
[10:02] <Stoffer> mips: will that allow windows to read the data?  I want a separate shared partition for files
[10:03] <thoreauputic> mirak: I don't know enough to answer questions about launchpad, to be honest
[10:03] <stefg> Stoffer: you need preferably unpartitoned space, not just one big partiton with space /on/ it. ntfs resizing is possible, but i'd avoid it
[10:03] <Stoffer> so far I have 2 unformatted paritions left over, a 20gb and a 200gb
[10:03] <Stoffer> I want ubuntu in the 20 and the 200 for shared files
[10:04] <mips> Stoffer then you need to create 3 partitions 1-windows 2-Ubunt 3-/home or data. But windows can read linux filesystem if you use the ext2fs driver in windows
[10:04] <Korgmatose> partition the 200G fat32 then..
[10:04] <stefg> Stoffer: good... so you'll need a swap part, too... 512 MB will do
[10:04] <Korgmatose> mips, only if ext3 is cleanly unmounted (something I learned bitterly with the 2.6.20.24 kernel sda-failures
[10:05] <mips> Stoffer, then install ubuntu to the 20gb and make the 200gb your /home partition. You will have to do manual partitioning with the installer
[10:05] <Stoffer> so should /home be fat32 or ext3?
[10:06] <void^> definitely NOT fat32.
[10:07] <Korgmatose> perhaps not if it' supposed to be /home, no
[10:07] <Stoffer> so use the ext2fs driver to let windows read th ext3 /home parition?
[10:07] <Stoffer> don't programs usually install into the /home directory?
[10:07] <void^> no.
[10:08] <Mithrandir> I'd rather have a /media/shared drive which is fat32, but that might just be me.
[10:08] <Stoffer> hmm...well then maybe I was doing it wrong w/ gentoo...
[10:08] <Stoffer> Mithrandir: that sounds like what I"m looking for
[10:09] <Stoffer> does /home have to be a separate partition, or can it be in the same partition as the rest of ubuntu?
[10:09] <mips> Stoffer, In my scenario I have two identical drives on each of them I have a 100gb data partion, one is mounted as /home and the other can be anything,. this way I mirror my data across two drives
[10:09] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: no it doesn't
[10:09] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: especially if you plan to keep your files on a fat32 partition
[10:10] <Stoffer> so what would be the drawback of having a /media/shared formatted w/ fat32 ?
[10:10] <Stoffer> that would be easier for windows to read, right?
[10:10] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: no files larger than 2 gb
[10:10] <Stoffer> oh
[10:10] <Stoffer> well forget about that then
[10:10] <kabtoffe> or was it 4 gb
[10:10] <Korgmatose> it's 4
[10:10] <kabtoffe> but nevertheless
[10:10] <Stoffer> still cutting it close
[10:10] <mips> Stoffer, so you can foget about saving your 9GB porn dvd rips :)
[10:11] <Stoffer> so much for fat32 ;)
[10:11] <sine> hehe
[10:11] <kabtoffe> you could make it ntfs and use the ntfs-3g driver
[10:11] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: to allow ubuntu to read/write to it?
[10:11] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: yup
[10:12] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: works well?
[10:12] <sine> works nice
[10:12] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: that's what I use now. After I was stupid and bought Vista
[10:12] <Stoffer> hehe
[10:12] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: and then mooved back to ubuntu
[10:12] <Stoffer> vista is a waste of money for everyone
[10:12] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: So one of my hard-drives is all ntfs
[10:12] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: yeah, I noticed :(
[10:13] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: I bought Office 2007 aswell
[10:13] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: i'm surprised you went from linux to windows...
[10:13] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: It's not a total loss. I need it for school.
[10:13] <Stoffer> ah, ic
[10:13] <ratshell> I downloaded Office 2007 for free. Cause the college I go to offers it to students for free
[10:13] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: Yeah. Temporary Insanity.
[10:13] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: that's why i still want my xp
[10:14] <Stoffer> in case ubuntu can't do something windows can
[10:14] <Stoffer> either not at all or easily
[10:14] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: I bought a laptop with it and thought it seemed cool, so I went and bought an oem version for my desktop
[10:14] <sine> photoshop e.g.
[10:15] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: yeah...you can only find systems w/ xp still installed online
[10:15] <kabtoffe> My school seems like an all MS place :(
[10:15] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: so are most
[10:15] <Stoffer> anyway, so I'll leave my 200GB partition in tact, and format it NTFS
[10:15] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: I went to Helsinki University of Technology before and they had loads of Linux/*nix stuff.
[10:16] <kabtoffe> But then I had to switch to something easier
[10:16] <kabtoffe> I'm not good at studiyng
[10:16] <kabtoffe> smart, but lazy
[10:16] <Shaddox> i havent even finished high school
[10:16] <Shaddox> i thank ADHD for that. ^^ and now im working on it online. ^^
[10:16] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: I started as a CompSci major at Rensseler, then I switched to psyc, and moved to a liberal arts school full of idiots
[10:17] <mips> ratshell, can you run it in wine ?
[10:17] <Stoffer> now I have a 4.0 :)
[10:17] <mips> hmm, gone
[10:17] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: it's like going back to high school
[10:17] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: I'm studing Software Engineering and I'm really happy with my choice.
[10:17] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: too bad I wasted two years at HUT
[10:17] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: programming was fun, but I couldn't learn the hardcore comp-org stuff, and I was terrible at programming
[10:18] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: only the easy C++ stuff was on my level
[10:18] <kabtoffe> I'm going to bed now. Have a test in German tomorrow at 8 am.
[10:18] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: I have the interest (thus several affairs w/ gentoo), but my brain doesn't work like a programmer's
[10:19] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: good night
[10:19] <Stoffer> kabtoffe: yep, thanks for the help
[10:19] <kabtoffe> Stoffer: sure, anytime (almost)
[10:19] <Stoffer> heh
[10:20] <Stoffer> ok, so if let windows format my NTFS drive, and then let ubuntu do whatever it wants w/ the unformatted 20GB left over, do I have to manually parition anything?
[10:22] <netmon1> WHen I do an apt-get install sarg and it says extra packages, suggested packages, and NEW packages, is it installing all of these or which is it installing?
[10:22] <Stoffer> oook....windows isn't reading my mbr right anymore....what a surprise...
[10:23] <Stoffer> I love when it jugles around drive letter :)
[10:23] <Stoffer> letters*
[10:23] <Shaddox> yeah
[10:23] <Shaddox> i've only been on non-windows for a week
[10:23] <Shaddox> i like this a lot, i just wish it worked better on my lappy ^^
[10:23] <WaxyFresh> how big is the update going to be tomorow?im on xubuntu beta
[10:24] <Ph0biA> Hello?
[10:24] <mips> Shaddox, what spec laptop. I find it slow on my 15.ghx Celeron, 512MB ram
[10:24] <Korgmatose> talking of lappys, anyone know what kind of switch to use with s2ram to s3-suspend an asus a7j ?
[10:24] <Ph0biA> Can someone help me.
[10:24] <Shaddox> 2GHz, 512mb ram, lots of old stuff
[10:24] <sysdef> !help
[10:24] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:24] <Stoffer> ...now I can't let windows format my ntfs...because it'll take the 20gb ubuntu space w/ it...damn it!
[10:24] <Stoffer> >:O
[10:24] <mips> Shaddox, find it fast or slow ? It feels like a dog to me.
[10:25] <Stoffer> that does NOT look like an angry face chatzilla!
[10:25] <sysdef> !seen wutzeknoll
[10:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen wutzeknoll - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:26] <Shaddox> slow as hell, in a lot of aspects, but still faster then my old windows ^^
[10:26] <Stoffer> how in the world does windows lose a partition!?
[10:27] <Shaddox> erm
[10:27] <mips> Shaddox, there are much faster distros out there. Debian is much faster, sidux, bsd flies. Wanna test sabayon on my lappy
[10:27] <Stoffer> this is why I"m going to ubuntu...
[10:27] <Shaddox> my windows liked to lose entire drives. XD
[10:27] <WaxyFresh> Stoffer, if you were as sillly as windows youd loose partitions too.
[10:27] <Shaddox> and ubuntu is the only distro that supports the bcm driver ^^
[10:27] <mips> Stoffer, look in the waste basket ;)
[10:28] <Stoffer> one day I had 2 unformatted drives....today I have 1...looks like windows decided to merge them...and turn them into the C: drive which was previously an SD card reader....
[10:28] <Stoffer> omfg...
[10:29] <Stoffer> Get Bill Gates in here!
[10:29] <mips> Stoffer, did you download the Desktop CD ?
[10:29] <Stoffer> mips: still working on it
[10:30] <mips> Stoffer, how long ?
[10:30] <Stoffer> 36min left
[10:30] <Shaddox> Stoffer: If you're formatting: http://www.westbyte.com/
[10:30] <Stoffer> 190kb/sec
[10:30] <Shaddox> Stoffer: Using that download acclerator for windows, i hit almost 750kb/sec
[10:30] <larryone> is this channel only for 7.04 support??
[10:30] <WaxyFresh> how big is the update going to be tomorow?im on xubuntu beta
[10:30] <Shaddox> Stoffer: Got my desktop CD in about 15 minutes
[10:30] <mips> In that case just wait a bit, burn it to disk, boot and use Gparted partition editor on the disk and sort your partitions out that way.
[10:31] <Stoffer> Shaddox: well I can't abort now...
[10:31] <mips> You guys have way to fast internet
[10:31] <WaxyFresh> larryone, yup
[10:31] <Shaddox> Stoffer: I aborted half-way through and still got it faster. ^^
[10:31] <WaxyFresh> mips, no such thing
[10:31] <mips> WaxyFresh, that depends on whether you have been doing updates on a regular basis or not
[10:32] <Stoffer> mips: which partition should be set as boot?
[10:32] <WaxyFresh> mips, yup everyday
[10:32] <Stoffer> mips: flagged, I mean
[10:32] <mips> WaxyFresh, I installed off a cd from 9Apr and it took 200mb
[10:32] <larryone> WaxyFresh, can I upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04???
[10:32] <mips> WaxyFresh, probaly zero if you updated today
[10:32] <larryone> or do I need to upgrade to 6.10 first??
[10:33] <Stoffer> larryone: No, but ask someone else on how to do it ;)
[10:33] <Stoffer> apt-get noremove soemthing something...
[10:33] <Stoffer> :P
[10:33] <WaxyFresh> mips, all there was for me today was:update-manager update-manager-core
[10:33] <WaxyFresh> thats it?
[10:33] <mips> Stoffer, you lost me, what you talking about
[10:34] <thoreauputic> WaxyFresh: yes, those are the last ones I saw here too
[10:34] <WaxyFresh> larryone, no you have to update one version at a time,its best to do a fresh install
[10:34] <YetiChick> Will normal updates to the beta be the equivalent to downloading/installing the final of feisty?
[10:34] <larryone> I cant seem to update to edgy from dapper - will I have to wait for my 7.04 cds to arrive?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> YetiChick: yes
[10:34] <mips> YetiChick, yes
[10:34] <Stoffer> mips: I played w/ gparted on the 6.10 livedisk a few days ago... first it wouldn't let me continue...but my question is which partition should be flagged as boot?
[10:34] <larryone> my upgrade to edgy was giving me kernel panic
[10:35] <WaxyFresh> larryone, if you can download and install fiesty without all the updateing id recomend that
[10:35] <Stoffer> mips: the windows is flagged boot by default
[10:35] <charliesu> are the betas that were release in the past 3 days going to change for final version?
[10:35] <mips> Stoffer, i think that is ok. If you wanna wait I can install gparted and check for you
[10:35] <Stoffer> mips: and since I'll be doing the partitioning manually, is there some guide on which ones I should make?
[10:35] <Stoffer> mips: I have 32 min ;)
[10:36] <larryone> WaxyFresh, I tried downloading the edgy cds - but they wouldn't boot properly. once it tried starting the graphics it hung. this was with 64 bit and 32 bit. is it more likely that 7.04 will actually boot for me>?#
[10:36] <mips> Stoffer, busy emerging gparted
[10:36] <YetiChick> thoreauputic, mips:  Thank you.  I was hoping so.  Been enjoying the beta, and have been trying to avoid putting too much work into it.  But with the imminent release, I realized that I have, indeed, done a lot with it.
[10:36] <Stoffer> mips: emerging?
[10:36] <mips> Stoffer, are you gonna do a /home partition ?
[10:36] <YetiChick> Stoffer:  Gentoo term for "installing".
[10:37] <Stoffer> mips: well, I was gonna do an NTFS /media/share
[10:37] <thoreauputic> YetiChick: we all go into withdrawal tomorrow - no more huge daily updates!
[10:37] <Stoffer> YetiChick: yes, I thought so... I just assumed everyone here was running ubuntu
[10:37] <phaidros> YetiChic, Stoffer .. or better: gentoo term for "apt-getting"
[10:37] <mips> YetiChick, why dont you just run a upgrade now & beat the rush. I dont see much if anything changing in the next few hours until final release
[10:37] <WaxyFresh> larryone, what type of computer are you running?32/64/oter?
[10:37] <YetiChick> thoreauputic:  I know - I like those updates so much!
[10:38] <larryone> AMD64 brand new
[10:38] <larryone> in theory the 32 bit os should run on it
[10:38] <larryone> right?
[10:38] <Stoffer> in theory
[10:38] <Stoffer> that's how it was designed
[10:38] <WaxyFresh> larryone, no idea i
[10:38] <gradin> slytherin: yeah i commmented out those lines and i'm still getting the issue?
[10:38] <Stoffer> kicked intel in the ass ;)
[10:38] <gradin> !pgp
[10:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pgp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <mips> Stoffer, create your two partitions with gparted and dont worry about mounting them or anything, format them if you want. Let the installer do the mounting stuff
[10:39] <YetiChick> mips:  Just ran one an hour or so ago.  I sure like Ubuntu.  Been using linux since ...  well, since the beginning, really.  But this is the first distro I'd recommend to some of my less...  proficient... friends.
[10:39] <gradin> was there a pgp key change in the respositorys recently?
[10:39] <zaggynl> Is it possible to search in files with a terminal?
[10:39] <Stoffer> mips: what about /home and /swap partitions?
[10:39] <DrNick> zaggynl: grep is your friend :)
[10:40] <zaggynl> hum okay
[10:40] <mips> YetiChick, then you are good to go. I really cannot see any big updates in the next few hours.
[10:40] <charliesu> are the betas that were release in the past 3 days going to change for final version?
[10:40] <YetiChick> Stoffer:  Some of us have more than one machine.  I have Gentoo on about three, FreeBSD on...  hm...  two.  Centos on four.   And Ubuntu on two right now, both of them my "personal use" machines.  I'm building an Ubuntu based server this week, though.  Want to see how that works out.
[10:41] <gradin> YetiChick: i've never uesed centos hows it run
[10:41] <mips> Stoffer, you just said you are not creating a /home but a ntfs share ? Yes create a swap of 2x your RAM. swap is a given so i did not mention it.
[10:41] <Stoffer> YetiChick: got some setup there...
[10:42] <Stoffer> mips: ok
[10:42] <gradin> does anyone know if was there a pgp key change in the respositorys recently?
[10:42] <YetiChick> gradin:  Like Linux.  :)  It's basically an RHEL clone.  I find it easy to set up and reliable for basic services.
[10:42] <gradin> ick
[10:42] <Stoffer> mips: you know what would be a great help?  If I could play w/ gparted and talk in here at the same time.  I need to find someone to help me get my wireless card working in ubuntu...
[10:42] <_dennis_> I want to start my ubunty by default en grub, it's located on sda7, so in /boot/grub/menu.lst, i changed default (0) to 6, but nothing changed when i rebooted :s, did a make a mistake?
[10:42] <YetiChick> Stoffer:  It's my business setup.
[10:43] <mips> Stoffer, for now you just want to create the 3 partitions you are going to use for /root ntfs-share & swap
[10:43] <Stoffer> YetiChick: is it weird that I want it?  lol
[10:43] <ubuntrai> /me's looking for feisty final
[10:43] <Stoffer> YetiChick: yet have absolutely no use for it?  :P
[10:44] <YetiChick> gradin:  Oddly, I'm not that fond of RHEL, either.  Mostly because it's not free.  :)
[10:44] <mips> Stoffer well the desktopcd will give you net/irc access. I cannot help with wireless though. What wireless chipset you got as it might work out of the box ? Do you have a wired connection at all ?
[10:44] <Stoffer> mips: ok... I should be able to handle that
[10:44] <charliesu> ubuntrai: me too!!!
[10:44] <YetiChick> Stoffer:  My customers frequently give me their old, tired machines.  But too tired for windows doesn't mean I can't use another DNS server. :)
[10:44] <Stoffer> mips: no wired connection, but the 6.10 livecd recognized my dlink wireless card...it just wouldn't connect
[10:45] <Stoffer> mips: I'd rather not drill a hole through the floor for a cable...
[10:45] <mips> Stoffer, if the card works then you have to set wep/wpa, ssid etc for your accesspoint
[10:45] <Stoffer> mips: did that too
[10:45] <mips> Stoffer, c'mon would be fun :)
[10:45] <sine> lol
[10:45] <Stoffer> mips: not my floor
[10:46] <mips> apt-get does have it's advantages over emerge. Especially when time is an issue
[10:46] <Stoffer> mips: if it was my house there'd be cables and holes everywhere ;)
[10:46] <mips> Stoffer, can always cover it up with a piece of gum later
[10:46] <sine> Stoffer: did u comment out everything in the /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:46] <Stoffer> mips: YetiChick : and about 20 old machines running linux w/ absolutely no purpose whatsoever
[10:47] <sine> except the loopback
[10:47] <Stoffer> sine: nope
[10:47] <gils> what happens when i copy a folder that as restricted permissions to a cd-r
[10:47] <Stoffer> sine: didn't know anything about it
[10:47] <gils> *has
[10:47] <Stoffer> sine:  can you do that w/ the livecd?
[10:47] <mips> Stoffer, I got two pcs, desktop & lappy. Each with 3 os's on them. thats enough for me
[10:47] <sine> hmm?
[10:48] <aaroncampbell> I have a system that I booted to the Kubuntu feisty CD.  It is a messed up Windows system.  Before I install, I'd like to make an image of the hard drive, and put it on another computer on the network (in case I realize there was something in there that I needed).  How would I do that?
[10:48] <YetiChick> Stoffer:  :)  The purpose is to amuse oneself.
[10:48] <Stoffer> sine:  comment out stuff
[10:48] <aaroncampbell> Preferably in a manner where that image could be browsed and one file extracted
[10:48] <sine> yeah sure. in terminal or with gui?
[10:49] <Stoffer> sine: I can handle either if you tell me how ;)
[10:49] <gradin> aaroncampbell: wow thats a tall order
[10:49] <Stoffer> sine: well, actually no need.  which text editor comes w/ 6.10?
[10:49] <YetiChick> aaroncampbell:  I find that the best way to image a Windows box is to use a commercial tool.  I prefer Acronis True Image.  Failing that, g4l and g4u can sometimes do a good job.
[10:49] <Arwen> what the fuck, Ubuntu's completely unusable with ATI cards
[10:49] <PriceChild> !ohmy | Arwen
[10:49] <ubotu> Arwen: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:49] <sine> well.. gksudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[10:49] <Arwen> I don't fscking care about my language, thank you
[10:49] <YetiChick> Arwen:  Oddly, it's working well here.
[10:49] <sine> then put some # in front of the lines
[10:49] <LjL> Arwen: or rather, ATI cards are completely unusable with Ubuntu - since it's them that a working driver depends on...
[10:50] <aaroncampbell> gradin: Well, I used to use Norton Ghost when I was on Windows, and it could do just that...I figured there was something similar in (K)Ubuntu
[10:50] <PriceChild> Arwen, Please keep this channel family friendly
[10:50] <sine> but do not comment out the first ines
[10:50] <sine> ones
[10:50] <PriceChild> Arwen, they _ALL_ work with the vesa driver - very usable
[10:50] <Arwen> 5 minutes into doing anything that requires 3d, KERNEL PANIC
[10:50] <Arwen> WHAT THE HELL?
[10:50] <PriceChild> thanks LjL
[10:50] <aaroncampbell> YetiChick: The problem is...the Windows box is non-functional (something in the /windows directory got messed up)
[10:50] <aaroncampbell> But the drive is fine...I mounted it in Kubuntu, and pulled a lot of my documents off
[10:51] <Stoffer> sine: and that should solve what?
[10:51] <Arwen> great, and here I thought this was a SUPPORT channel
[10:51] <LjL> Arwen: i didn't see you asking a support question. got one?
[10:51] <PriceChild> Arwen, please abide by the ubuntu-irc guidelines
[10:51] <sine> that the gnome network manager can handle your wifi device
[10:51] <YetiChick> aaroncampbell:  It might be hard to make a working True Image boot disk, then.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l leads to a tool I've used successfully several times.
[10:51] <Arwen> LjL, yeah, please tell me why 3d == kernel panic? please?
[10:52] <PriceChild> Arwen, because ati don't release decent drivers.
[10:52] <mips> Thats nice, suspend & hibernate works a charm :)
[10:52] <Arwen> ...
[10:52] <LjL> Arwen: because your graphics card is overheating? because you're using the wrong driver? because your motherboard has a problem with the current version of the kernel? or what pc said
[10:53] <aaroncampbell> YetiChick: Would there be a way to make a huge ISO of it (it's only like 12G)...Because ISOs are mountable/browse-able
[10:53] <Arwen> LjL, let's see... no, it's not overheated because it works in Windows... the driver can't be wrong because otherwise it wouldn't work at all... and no, it's been the same with every single kernel
[10:53] <Stoffer> sine: and then it should connect automatically?  there's no app that'll tell me if it's connected or not?
[10:53] <Arwen> what the fsck did pc say? I don't even see a pc in this channel
[10:55] <YetiChick> aaroncampbell:  Mmmm...  Probably.  You should be able to use the standard commandline iso tools to create a large ISO.
[10:56] <sirius> so guys
[10:56] <sirius> what's a few good console linux apps that i can install, im getting bored of cowsay :P
[10:57] <LjL> !scrabble
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scrabble - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <LjL> !info scrabble
[10:57] <ubotu> scrabble: Popular crossword game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9-1 (feisty), package size 366 kB, installed size 860 kB
[10:58] <Winball> So, amd64 version for my E6600 ?
[10:58] <YetiChick> aaroncampbell:  But the ISO9660 standard is kind of strained when going over CD sizes.
[10:58] <Winball> When will it be released? 00:00 or just 'tomorrow'
[10:59] <Winball> i386,or amd64 for my E6600? anyone?
[10:59] <Falconix> Winball: the time 00:00 appear not the same time all over the world,
[10:59] <void^> aaroncampbell: you can dd the entire partition and mount it using loopback on any unix system.
[10:59] <mips> Stoffer, I now have gparted installed.
[11:00] <YetiChick> Winball: I'd go with i386 for best compatibility.
[11:00] <chijin> Day changed to 19 Apr 2007
[11:01] <aaroncampbell> void^: can you expand on that
[11:01] <Falconix> chijin: not here 23:00 here in sweden
[11:01] <chijin> Falconix: i'm your neighbor then, here in finland
[11:01] <Winball> Finns .fi have 00:00 now
[11:01] <YetiChick> Winball: But that's just me.  I've not seen any real advantage to date for most things in going to 64bit.  Not enough advantage to deal with the compatibility problems that *will* come up.  Some people will say otherwise, of course.
[11:01] <Falconix> chijin: 50 kilometers from finland :P
[11:01] <Winball> YetiChick Im dl the dvdimage for i386 then, (this can take some time:()
[11:02] <Winball> 2 percent done
[11:02] <void^> aaroncampbell: as in, "dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/some/where/blah", and later "mount -o loop blah /some/where"
[11:02] <aaroncampbell> YetiChick: I see DVDs in ISO all the time...4+ gigs...This is 3x that, but not WAY huge in comparison
[11:03] <YetiChick> WInball:  I use the CD images myself.  I find that I don't use 90% of what's on the DVD.
[11:03] <aaroncampbell> void^: does the drive need to be mounted first?  And I assume I can do something like smb://other_comp/location/file for the out?
[11:03] <YetiChick> aaroncampbell:  Didn't say it wouldn't work - just that it was strained.  That's what growisofs is for...  to extend the reach of mkisofs.
[11:04] <Skrotffs> Falconix: Im about 50km from sweden ;)
[11:04] <aaroncampbell> YetiChick: ok, I think the dd thing might work...I'll try it first...
[11:04] <YetiChick> aaroncampbell:  It should work fine.
[11:04] <Falconix> Skrotffs: cool Denmark or Norway or Finland or Russia??
[11:04] <void^> aaroncampbell: you'll have to mount the network share first. the partition should be unmounted, but it likely won't hurt too much if it isn't.
[11:05] <Skrotffs> Falconix: norway :)
[11:05] <Winball> Different between daily/ and daily-live/ ? topic
[11:05] <f000bar> will feisty be rls on time, or is there worry of slip?
[11:06] <mc44> f000bar: should be on time
[11:06] <mc44> probably
[11:07] <Winball> oh it was the alternate cd/dbd
[11:07] <Winball> dvd
[11:07] <YetiChick> aaroncampbell:  I imaged a friend's failing hard drive exactly that way, "repaired" the drive image with testdisk and then created a vitrual machine for vmware out of that repaired image.  Took ages, but it did work.  That drive was about 10G
[11:07] <aaroncampbell> Thanks void^ and YetiChick ...now if I could just get it to unmount that drive...it keeps saying it's in use, but NOTHING is open :|
[11:07] <d4rky> geez, 9 hours? it'll be 8 AM in my country - -'
[11:08] <YetiChick> aaroncampbell:  You're not cd'd into a directory on it, are you?
[11:08] <aaroncampbell> nope
[11:09] <YetiChick> aaroncampbell:  I live when that happens:  You can usually use lsof to find out what's using the resource, if you have it installed.
[11:09] <Stoffer> the livecd comes with an irc client right?
[11:10] <void^> or fuser -avm /dev/hdax
[11:10] <tumi> Stoffer: I think your best bet is gaim
[11:10] <BHSPitMonkey> s/gaim/pidgin/
[11:10] <Stoffer> tumi: thanks
[11:11] <tumi> BHSPitMonkey: not *yet* :P
[11:11] <aaroncampbell> For the record, I think it's still gaim in all the repositories
[11:11] <BHSPitMonkey> and it's going to remain that way for a long, long time...
[11:11] <Stoffer> alright....heeeeer we gooooo!  Hopefully back in 5-10 min :)
[11:11] <tumi> probably won't get renamed until 2.0 is released
[11:11] <aaroncampbell> It *does* seem like it would be a pain to upgrade to a different package name...doesn't it
[11:12] <tuxedo_kamen> hi everyone
[11:12] <YetiChick> aaroncampbell:  Although I like the pidgin name better.
[11:12] <BHSPitMonkey> tumi, it didn't catch feisty, if you hadn't heard
[11:12] <tumi> yeah, and I thought pidgin was a weird name too. "gim" would have been much better, imo.
[11:12] <aaroncampbell> YetiChick: me too...
[11:13] <BHSPitMonkey> so it won't be changing real soon, IIUC
[11:13] <BHSPitMonkey> gim's too close to vim :P
[11:13] <tumi> BHSPitMonkey: so gaim 2.0b6 will be used in feisty?
[11:13] <tuxedo_kamen> guys, how many hours until the new version gets released?
[11:13] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah
[11:13] <BHSPitMonkey> x hours
[11:13] <tumi> what's the hurry?
[11:13] <BHSPitMonkey> for 8 < x < 100
[11:14] <tuxedo_kamen> -_-
[11:14] <tuxedo_kamen> simple.... I need to upgrade from 5.10
[11:14] <BHSPitMonkey> :o
[11:14] <BHSPitMonkey> install beta if you can't wait
[11:14] <BHSPitMonkey> then it's just a matter of running mild updates
[11:14] <BHSPitMonkey> sorry, I meant the RC
[11:14] <tuxedo_kamen> where can I get the beta?
[11:15] <BHSPitMonkey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[11:15] <tumi> I was hoping there would be an improvement to the fsck scheduling in ubuntu
[11:15] <tumi> like perhaps the ability to cancel a fsck
[11:15] <GeekChick|> BHSPitMonkey, ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/7.04 would be far faster.
[11:15] <mips> tuxedo_kamen, you dont want beta, you want the daily build
[11:15] <crdlb> tuxedo_kamen, and definitely get the RC not the beta
[11:15] <BHSPitMonkey> GeekChick|, meh
[11:16] <BHSPitMonkey> go to the link I provided and pick up 20070415
[11:16] <brett_> tumi: tune2fs -i 0 /dev/blah
[11:16] <mips> you dont wnat the RC either, its gonna cost you big in updates. Just get the latest daily build
[11:16] <BHSPitMonkey> (if you want the ubuntu cd)
[11:16] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm just going by: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000281.html
[11:16] <BHSPitMonkey> mips, 3 days ago vs today?
[11:16] <brett_> BHSPitMonkey: I just installed fine from 20070417 (kubuntu, at least)
[11:16] <BHSPitMonkey> it's not going to be crazy different.
[11:16] <tuxedo_kamen> -_-
[11:17] <tuxedo_kamen> my main issue is that I have a D/L limit
[11:17] <BHSPitMonkey> brett_, well it says to use that one -for- kubuntu specifically
[11:17] <GeekChick|> BHSPitMonkey, minus some weekend ending bugs.
[11:17] <GeekChick|> that get fixed last minute
[11:17] <tuxedo_kamen> so, I can only D/L stuff from Portuguese sites
[11:17] <pecisk>  it is just normal that in Ubuntu Feisty Totem can't seek very big (aprox. 40 min) FLAC file or it is just me? :)
[11:17] <brett_> BHSPitMonkey: ah, my bad, I hadn't seen that message
[11:17] <Absum> is there any pre-release iso's i can download somewhere?
[11:17] <BHSPitMonkey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000281.html
[11:17] <mips> BHSPitMonkey, what are you referring to ? the RC is old, I'm talking about the same thing as you, last daily build for the iso was the 15th
[11:17] <BHSPitMonkey> Absum, consult that post ^
[11:18] <Absum> BHSPitMonkey: thanks
[11:18] <tumi> brett_: I actually want my filesystems to be checked once in a while
[11:18] <BHSPitMonkey> mips, I'm just being dumb at terminology; I mean the "final candidate" referred to by that post I linked.
[11:18] <brett_> tumi: hmm, you could use any number instead of 0 there, maybe a higher number would suit your needs?
[11:19] <mips> BHSPitMonkey, no problem, just a bit of confusion
[11:19] <tumi> brett_: not really
[11:19] <BHSPitMonkey> ugh
[11:19] <BHSPitMonkey> I hate how you can't close the update manager as soon as it finishes
[11:19] <BHSPitMonkey> it just gets on my nerves.
[11:20] <tumi> brett_: actually, can you cancel the fsck with ^C?
[11:20] <tuxedo_kamen> so, afterall...what version should I download?
[11:20] <brett_> tumi: I've never been able to, I wound up just turning off automatic checking (laptop)
[11:21] <mips> tuxedo_kamen, wait a minute, i'm looking at something for you
[11:21] <BHSPitMonkey> fsck dies every other time I boot ubuntu on my laptop.   I'm not happy with it.
[11:21] <Stoffer> the fiesty iso I just burned isn't bootable?
[11:21] <Absum> just a quick question (i cant seem to find the answer anywhere even thou i've seen it before): what kernel is fiesty using?
[11:22] <tuxedo_kamen> ok
[11:22] <BHSPitMonkey> Stoffer, why are you asking us?
[11:22] <aaroncampbell> Stoffer: then something got messed up.
[11:22] <BHSPitMonkey> how'd you burn it, Stoffer
[11:22] <Winball> Don't burn it with full speed
[11:22] <neoncode> Hey I'm on Kubuntu Feisty and whenver I try to run KVM it core dumps and exits. I have a compatable CPU( Core 2 Duo E6600) and I've seen others with the same problem but I don't know how to solve it...
[11:23] <Stoffer> w/ a freeware app called cdburnerxp
[11:23] <brett_> Absum: 2.6.20-15-generic on i386 here
[11:23] <Stoffer> oh I know what I did
[11:23] <tumi> what is KVM
[11:23] <Stoffer> it burned as a data disk...my bad
[11:23] <Absum> brett_: thanks
[11:23] <mips> tuxedo_kamen, you say you can only download from portugues sites ?
[11:23] <tuxedo_kamen> yep, or else it will be too much heavy for me
[11:24] <neoncode> tumi: Hardware virtulisation software
[11:24] <tumi> neoncode: that was my first guess
[11:25] <Absum> btw, anyone knows if its possible to burn a cd-image to dvd-r?? :S
[11:25] <mips> tuxedo_kamen, the two portugues ubuntu mirror sites don't have the latest Feisty builds.
[11:25] <neoncode> So, can anyone help?
[11:25] <tuxedo_kamen> i know >_<
[11:25] <mips> tuxedo_kamen, Can you wait 12-24hrs ?
[11:25] <tuxedo_kamen> I guess so >_<
[11:26] <boricua> is there a rc1 link or not yet
[11:26] <zaggynl> My time is off, how should I correct it?
[11:26] <tuxedo_kamen> anyway, can anyone help me backup my config of 5.10, or is that on #ubuntu ?
[11:26] <zaggynl> !time
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <mips> tuxedo_kamen, I would suggest you wait a bit. this way you will get the latest official Feisty release and it should be available form the portugues mirrors saving you bandwidth
[11:26] <boricua> !ntp
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <tuxedo_kamen> ok
[11:26] <boricua> !ntps
[11:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntps - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:27] <ubuntrai> !feisty
[11:27] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[11:27] <mips> tuxedo_kamen, sorry i dont use gnome so I dunno but I would suggest backing up /home
[11:29] <mips> Stoffer, what happened to you ?
[11:29] <boricua> we know the release is tomorrow but they had mentioned an rc1   when will it be tomorrow to
[11:29] <Stoffer> mips: I tried booting to a livecd that I burned as a data disk accidentally
[11:29] <tuxedo_kamen> >_< ok, thanks
[11:29] <Winball> stoffer h :D
[11:29] <Angeluz> boricua: There wont be an RC, due to the kernel-errors.
[11:29] <superted> when is it coming ?
[11:29] <Angeluz> That's what I read yesterday.
[11:30] <boricua> k  wao
[11:30] <mips> Stoffer, hmm try again but this time burn an 'iso image'
[11:30] <boricua> Subhuman, release is tomorrow
[11:30] <Stoffer> mips: yeah, I never used this burning software before... some freeware I just pulled off the web
[11:30] <boricua> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu704
[11:30] <Stoffer> mips: I got it right this time
[11:31] <Absum> anyone here has any experience with 3dconnextions hardware on linux?
[11:31] <aaroncampbell> Can you mount a samba share from the live CD?  and if so, how?
[11:31] <Stoffer> gentoo has a think manual you can print.  Does ubuntu have one too?
[11:31] <Stoffer> s/think/thick
[11:31] <aaroncampbell> I can browse them, but I can't seem to get dd to output to one
[11:31] <Winball> Couldnt run my aq2(quake2) like i did in edgy, ./aq2
[11:31] <Winball> didnt work
[11:32] <davidw> what's up with the funky widget that does spell checking?
[11:32] <mips> Stoffer, not really. Ubuntus documentation sucks when compared to debian gentoo, freebsd openbsd etc
[11:32] <Stoffer> mips: how's the wiki though?
[11:33] <mips> Stoffer, so-so
[11:33] <mips> Stoffer, not always up to date. what do you need a maual for ?
[11:33] <Stoffer> mips: ok, the livecd's loading this time.  I'm gonna try booting to it, and if all goes well I should be back in here from there
[11:33] <Stoffer> mips: just general how-to's
[11:33] <mips> k
[11:33] <Stoffer> mips: i'm very rusty on my linux
[11:34] <Stoffer> mips: bbs
[11:34] <mips> Stoffer, check the forum out and have a look at the wiki. 99% of stuff is point & click for installation, codecs to gfx drivers etc
[11:34] <boricua> Angeluz, is that good or bad
[11:36] <sioux> hi here is already tomorow... where can I download freisty?
[11:36] <Angeluz> What?
[11:36] <Angeluz> You mean that there was no RC?
[11:36] <PriceChild> sioux, you can download it when its ready.
[11:37] <sioux> here is 19th of april...  it is ready!
[11:37] <mips> sioux, wait until tomorrow or download the latest build from 15Apr
[11:37] <sioux> :-)
[11:37] <Angeluz> Well, I am not entirely up to date, but as far as I know, the final will be due tomorrow, so it shouldn't be a problem with the final Feisty being releaed. It's just a change in the release-cycle.
[11:38] <sioux> tomorrow the server will be very busy!
[11:38] <Winball> So,releasedate tomorrow, but I can download the final release now?
[11:38] <Winball> Whats that suppose to mean :P
[11:38] <sioux> here is already tomorrow... give me a link whre download!
[11:38] <Angeluz> The final is available?
[11:38] <sioux> :-)
[11:38] <brett_> you can download something that's so close to the final release it hardly matters
[11:38] <mips> sioux, then get the latest daily build, install & update
[11:38] <Winball> Angeluz topic ?
[11:39] <Angeluz> Oh. :)
[11:39] <sioux> :-P I need iso!
[11:39] <mips> sioux, they dont work on your timezone but GMT/UTC
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Winball: barring last minute fixes, the daily from the 15th is pretty much going to be the final release
[11:39] <sioux> hehehe
[11:39] <Angeluz> I was busy watching the Extended Recut of Sin City.
[11:39] <sioux> they who?
[11:39] <Angeluz> Had to pull myself together to not do anything perverse while watching Jessica Alba in her leather pants. :->
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Winball: a couple of updates or so ( last ones here were yesterday)
[11:40] <mips> sioux, canonical/ubuntu
[11:40] <sioux> nice nigth folks... tomorrow will be a new world!
[11:40] <mips> sioux, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ for the live/desktop version
[11:40] <sioux> ;)
[11:40] <Angeluz> World 2.0? ;)
[11:41] <sioux> THANK YOU!   :-*
[11:41] <sioux> smack!
[11:42] <EmxBA> Feisty shall be released in few minutes or in six hours? it should be released at 00:00 at some time zone? :)
[11:42] <Tomg> 1 hour 18 here
[11:42] <mc44> EmxBA: no.
[11:42] <EmxBA> utc time (london)? or american times, mc44 ?
[11:42] <mips> Does not happen like that. Usually after 12:00UTC some time
[11:43] <mc44> EmxBA: sometime during the day UTC
[11:43] <EmxBA> ok
[11:43] <mc44> probably
[11:43] <mc44> unless it all goes horribly wrong
[11:43] <EmxBA> so the timezone referred is UTC
[11:43] <EmxBA> problems that have caused delaying the RC were solved
[11:43] <mc44> its whenever its ready
[11:43] <mc44> there is no specific certain time
[11:44] <EmxBA> ok
[11:44] <EmxBA> nor certain date, because it might be delayed, but *will* be released in this week?
[11:44] <Angeluz> Hmm... according to Phoronix the new fglrx-blob still has no major improvements. Damn...
[11:44] <PriceChild> "will be released when it is released"
[11:44] <jdrake> If one were in a rush, would the RC usually be good enough?
[11:44] <thoreauputic> mc44: this of course means that we have to watch the madness in #ubuntu for at least another 12 hours or more ;)
[11:44] <PriceChild> jdrake, there is no real RC
[11:44] <Angeluz> I hope that new OpenGL-driver will be implemented in the next months, hopefully with AIGLX.
[11:45] <mc44> thoreauputic: oh yay yay yay us
[11:45] <Angeluz> Maybe even fast enough to play Quake 4 on my box.
[11:45] <mc44> thoreauputic: I still think it should be +m till release :)
[11:45] <EmxBA> after amd announced that beryl won't work with it's cards, is there any solution to use beryl after all?
[11:45] <PriceChild> thoreauputic, you mean the madness will end on releasE?
[11:45] <mc44> !xgl | EmxBA
[11:45] <ubotu> EmxBA: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:45] <thoreauputic> mc44: The mean IQ in #ubuntu always drops about 20 points just before a release ;-)
[11:45] <crdlb> EmxBA, on older cards, use the open source drivers
[11:45] <mc44> thoreauputic: it goes negative?
[11:46] <maddler> hi all..
[11:46] <thoreauputic> mc44: hahah!
[11:46] <thoreauputic> :D
[11:46] <maddler> a quick question...
[11:46] <mc44> :)
[11:46] <PriceChild> "will be released when it is released"
[11:46] <maddler> I just upgraded to feisty... and everything went (almost) fine...
[11:46] <PriceChild> aww :(
[11:46] <EmxBA> I have X1600
[11:46] <crdlb> fglrx+Xgl it is then
[11:46] <Tomg> EmxBA : when did amd announce that?
[11:46] <maddler> but... I can't access using console...
[11:46] <mc44> PriceChild: put that in the topic :)
[11:47] <EmxBA> check out digg.com, Tomg
[11:47] <maddler> I mean... only gdm/kdm login allowed...
[11:47] <Tomg> kk thanks
[11:47] <maddler> is it a bug or a feature? ;)
[11:47] <mc44> PriceChild: yay! :D
[11:47] <Winball> Feisty will be released when it is released.
[11:47] <Winball> Nice
[11:47] <Winball> :E
[11:48] <PriceChild> maddler, wow so X works but VTs don't... :S
[11:48] <UNDERsoN> But When?
[11:48] <PriceChild> definitely bug
[11:48] <blublub> maybe you can disable "splash" on grub
[11:48] <EmxBA> I've tried that, crdlb  , and I got mesa in fglrxinfo, and xorg.conf and other files, also berly start script, are ok and configured to run. but it didn't work.
[11:48] <EmxBA> i must try it again :D
[11:48] <maddler> PriceChild: right... :|
[11:48] <crdlb> EmxBA, you /do/ have mesa in your fglrxinfo?
[11:48] <PriceChild> I don't know myself sorry :S
[11:49] <maddler> PriceChild: I supposed that... but who knows... you know... developers... ;)
[11:49] <mc44> maddler: search on launchpad for the bug
[11:49] <EmxBA> yes, crdlb
[11:49] <EmxBA> that means fglrx doesn't work properly.
[11:49] <maddler> mc44: yup... doing...
[11:49] <UNDERsoN> Who now can I wait for release today or not?
[11:49] <crdlb> EmxBA, it does indeed
[11:49] <blublub> maddler: maybe you can disable "splash" on grub
[11:49] <maddler> UNDERsoN: maybe.,.. :)
[11:49] <maddler> blublub: yup... and remove quiet as well...
[11:50] <maddler> going to try...
[11:50] <maddler> brb...
[11:50] <EmxBA> crdlb: it doesn't. i can't run beryl nor other 3D stuff; games such as tuxracer don't work ok
[11:50] <UNDERsoN> mudler and what about tommorow?
[11:50] <crdlb> EmxBA, I mean it does indeed mean it's broken :)
[11:51] <EmxBA> well, ok, I din't understood that. :)
[11:51] <Stoffer> mips: back in business :)
[11:51] <Tomg> EmxBA  : i cant find this dig, do you have a link please?
[11:51] <EmxBA> just a moment, Tomg
[11:52] <Stoffer> mips: the new network manager works great, although I'm getting 50% lower signal strength than in windows...
[11:52] <Tomg> EmxBA  thanks
[11:53] <EmxBA> Tomg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/AMD_Acknowledges_No_Beryl_AIGLX_support
[11:53] <BadRabbit320> Broadcom wifi driving me nuts; is there a distro that will run my builtin without me jumping thru hoops?  I'm running Feisty Kubuntu
[11:54] <mips> Stoffer, so it works
[11:54] <Stoffer> mips: it works, but only half as well...any way I could fix that, or is it just the livecd causing the problem?
[11:54] <aska1> will feisty support be in #ubuntu now?
[11:55] <mips> Stoffer, worry about it later, do the install first, hard to muck around with a livecd
[11:55] <EmxBA> yap. as other releases of Ubuntu, too, aska1
[11:55] <mc44> aska1: not quite yet
[11:55] <mc44> not until it is released :)
[11:56] <Stoffer> mips: ok, true.  Anyway, I"m playing w/ gparted outside of the ubuntu install.  does it matter what order I make these parititions in?  all the allocated space is in hdc2 anyway
[11:56] <thoreauputic> BadRabbit320: did you see ubotu's post in #kubuntu ?
[11:56] <mips> No not really, I usually add my OSs at the beginning and data at the end
[11:57] <maddler> hmmm... looks like something wrong with event.d and tty*
[11:57] <maddler> I get "unknown stanza" error...
[11:57] <Stoffer> mips: and my root partition should be ext3?
[11:57] <mips> That way i can always shuffle the smaller partitions in the beginnning around if i have to without worrying about a big data partition in the middle
[11:58] <mips> Stoffer, ext3 is the default 7 most reliable
[11:58] <BadRabbit320> yes, btdt, I'm obviously not geeky enough...
[11:58] <jpsamara> When will feisty be released, at what time?
[11:58] <EmxBA> jpsamara: check the topic.
[11:58] <mc44> jpsamara: see the topic
[11:58] <maddler> bug #95210
[11:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 95210 in upstart "Can't access to TTY-  init /etc/event.id/tty1:16: Unknown stanza (dup-of: 92928)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95210
[11:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 92928 in casper "casper corrupts virtual consoles creation events (/etc/event.d/tty1 - tty6) " [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92928
[11:58] <Stoffer> ...why do I have 7.82 GB unallocated in hdc1?
[11:59] <Stoffer> oh, nevermind
[11:59] <mips> Stoffer, dunno, you tell me
[11:59] <Angeluz> Stoffer: Hiding porn? ;)
[12:00] <Stoffer> mips:  my windows partition is in hdc1, and my 3 new ones are in hdc2 (that 7gb in hdc1 is probably just free space of the 20gb windows).  the ntfs in hdc2 will be able to be read by windows in hdc1?
[12:00] <thoreauputic> BadRabbit320: http://debian.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/  <-- grab the bcm43xx firmware deb, double click it to install ( make sure ndiswrapper is disabled if you enabled it) the driver works for the 4306 chip - you might want ot check lspci to see what yours is and check against the bcm43xx site to see if it is supported
[12:01] <mips> Stoffer, are you using logical partitions or primary ?
[12:01] <Stoffer> mips:  logical
[12:01] <cables> "feisty will be released when it is released" do people still ask?
[12:01] <BadRabbit320> mine is 4318 chip
[12:01] <thoreauputic> cables: of course ;)
[12:01] <cables> lol
[12:01] <crdlb> cables, quite often
[12:01] <mips> Stoffer, hmm, should be Ok
[12:01] <thoreauputic> BadRabbit320: ah, I tink that one is problematic
[12:02] <luis_lopez> is it possible to use ksysv to "control" upstart?
[12:02] <Stoffer> mips: it won't let me do primary
[12:02] <mips> Stoffer, why not ? you can do 4 primaries on a HD
[12:02] <EmxBA> I have buffalo wli-cb-g54, it also has some bcom in itself.
[12:02] <blublub> when is it released ?
[12:02] <Stoffer> mips: the option is greyed out
[12:02] <mips> Stoffer, can you not delete the logical ?
[12:03] <vera> jeah, please tell me to
[12:03] <vera> When is tomorrow - I can't wait.. :) Here, tomorrow will start in about half an hour... :)
[12:03] <thoreauputic> blublub: /topic :)
[12:03] <mips> Stoffer, do a screen/window shot of gparted and post it somewhere
[12:03] <vera> Ups, correction, its now. (how time flies......)
[12:04] <vera> thoreauputic: the hardship, the hardship.....
[12:04] <thoreauputic> ;)
[12:04] <kbrooks> Feisty will be released when it is released. # ok. and?
[12:04] <EmxBA> Ubuntu will release after 12:00 UTC, perhaps?
[12:04] <PriceChild> EmxBA, topic :)
[12:04] <vera> ooook, thx
[12:04] <BadRabbit320> I've now tried 5 diff howto's...still no luck.  NOT having fun!  1 suggested using fwcutter...  remnants of that are still in the list.
[12:05] <Stoffer> mips: how do I do that again?
[12:05] <shoot^> anyone here have any experience with uswsusp? I just installed it on Feisty because the standard hibernate didnt work. this now saves a snapshot, but on resume gnome seems to crash: it repeatedly presents me with the shutdown menu. If i click cancel, it accepts then reappears. eventually, if it goes, nowt responds within gnome- even after a ctrl+alt+backspace restart.
[12:05] <EmxBA> oh yes, wrong channel, PriceChild
[12:05] <ubuntrai> The Ubuntu 7.04 Beta has been removed to allow space for mirrors to fetch the upcoming Ubuntu 7.04 release :D
[12:05] <thoreauputic> BadRabbit320: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/?go=devices  <--looks like your chip is unstable with bcm43xx - you will need ndiswrapper I think
[12:05] <mips> Stoffer, dunno, I dont use gnome
[12:06] <mips> Stoffer, there should be a utility for taking a snapshot
[12:06] <Stoffer> mips: yeah, can't find one..
[12:06] <Stoffer> mips: found it
[12:06] <rubso>  lol guys, got Power Management Fixed in Kubuntu?
[12:06] <zYe_> is anyone here really familiar with imwheel?
[12:06] <whenIsItReleased> all I need to know is ...
[12:06] <BadRabbit320> yep, but how do I clean the fwcutter remnants?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> BadRabbit320: I don't know - I used cafuego's deb
[12:07] <BadRabbit320> removed cutter thru adept...
[12:07] <gils> anyone here ever use bcyprt to encrypt files?
[12:07] <Stoffer> mips: where can I post it?
[12:07] <mips> Stoffer, are you running gparted as root ? I think it needs to be run as root
[12:07] <Stoffer> mips: probably not
[12:07] <mips> Stoffer, imageshack or something like that or send it to me with dcc
[12:07] <der0b> Is there a doc some place that will explain why feisty is detecting ide hard disks as sda instead of hda?
[12:08] <BadRabbit320> oh well, one more attempt can't hurt...
[12:08] <thoreauputic> der0b: one word " libata
[12:08] <Stoffer> mips:  when stared gparted I used sudo
[12:08] <BadRabbit320> thanks for your effort1
[12:08] <thoreauputic> der0b: new methods in 2.6.20 kernel
[12:08] <Dante123> hey, when can a person download feisty.......I know the 19th.....but the 19th in what time zone......Europe, South Africa, NYC???
[12:08] <mips> Stoffer, ok sudo will do
[12:08] <thoreauputic> *sigh* Dante123 /topic
[12:08] <Dante123> and if UTC.....how close are we....
[12:09] <Angeluz> Dante123: -> Topic.
[12:09] <EmxBA> Dante123: check the topic
[12:09] <rubso> Dante123, wait 2 more hours.
[12:09] <EmxBA> Dante123: just wait for it.
[12:09] <zYe_> is anyone here really familiar with imwheel?
[12:09] <EmxBA> rubso: not just 2 hours?!
[12:09] <der0b> Thanks thoreauputic, if you can tell me, is there some place I can look at comments regarding that change?  (just interested)
[12:09] <Naddiseo> sweet, will the gutsy repos be open in 2 hours then?
[12:09] <BadRabbit320> if you know of a distro that will run this pos, plz keep it in mind.
[12:09] <|PiP|> can i upgrade to feisty using the cd?
[12:09] <rubso> Dante123, If it didn't arrive in 2 hours, i'll slap you! mark my words!
[12:09] <Dante123> look....i'm like a kid waiting for his birthday present......
[12:09] <thoreauputic> der0b: search the ubuntu-devel mailing list archive I guess
[12:09] <rubso> birthday present?
[12:09] <mips> Stoffer, i'm offering private chat
[12:09] <der0b> thanks, I'll see what I can find
[12:09] <cables> |PiP|, you need the alternate cd i believe
[12:10] <rubso> you don't wanna say that, a birthday present? hell, its more like a nightmare.
[12:10] <|PiP|> cables: I have a line of computers running 6.10
[12:10] <Dante123> and Dad said I can't have it until...the 19th.....and I'm hoping he means UTC.....or Greenich mean time.....and I'm hoping it will be tonight
[12:10] <shoot^> fellas, im currently running the beta. How do i upgrade it to the release?
[12:10] <cables> shoot^, it's not released yet, but it should be automatic.
[12:10] <Dante123> can you upgrade online?
[12:11] <shoot^> cables - sweet as
[12:11] <PriceChild> !upgrade
[12:11] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:11] <Dante123> will that work fine.....or do you recommend a clean install for best results
[12:12] <shoot^> cables - i dont suppose you know anything about uswsusp? ;)
[12:12] <EmxBA> Dante123: it's almost the same.
[12:12] <PriceChild> Dante123, "keep backups" :)
[12:12] <rubso> Dante123, how old are you, son?
[12:13] <aska1> Im currently running the latest feisty with latest updates? Is that like the final release? Or the final release will be after a lot of updates?
[12:13] <PriceChild> aska1, the first
[12:13] <cables> shoot^, nothing at all :)
[12:13] <shoot^> heh, thanks anyhoo :)
[12:14] <Dante123> 13.........plus the the square root of 9 times 9
[12:15] <Dante123> does it matter that I ran Automatix (i mean the ubuntu pages warn against it....) but does it REALLY matter?
[12:15] <EmxBA> huh, much older than me :D
[12:15] <PriceChild> Dante123, If you have problems... we may not know how to solve them.
[12:16] <PriceChild> !automatix > Dante123
[12:16] <Angeluz> Why that Automatix-Stuff anyways?
[12:16] <Angeluz> I prefer learning how to do things, instead of letting something do them for me.
[12:16] <rubso> !automatix > plox
[12:16] <EmxBA> private problems should not be considered on channel like #ubuntu+1. Please have that on mind, Dante123
[12:17] <Dante123> well....I will backup the files I think I need onto usb key.......if I have to do fresh install that is fine......I may go that way anyway...just to start clean so to speak...and maybe avoid automatix altogether if indeed Feisty makes adding codecs a turnkey operation.
[12:17] <crdlb> s/maybe//
[12:17] <Wikzo> How many MBs does 7.04 use?
[12:17] <zYe_> explain imwheel file to me.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16320/
[12:17] <Wikzo> 600 or something?
[12:17] <r4v5> Wikzo: 2
[12:18] <EmxBA> Wikzo: 700 MB, as usual CD.
[12:18] <Wikzo> Ok :)
[12:18] <EmxBA> (full CD)
[12:18] <Dante123> What time is it UTC right now?
[12:18] <Wikzo> http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx
[12:18] <EmxBA> what about wubi, will it be included in gutsy perhaps?
[12:18] <Dante123> 10:18 PM
[12:20] <Vessquire> Is there a set time (including timezone) or the release yet?
[12:21] <EmxBA> no, Vessquire.
[12:21] <Vessquire> so anytime tomorrow
[12:21] <crdlb> yep
[12:21] <EmxBA> why can't you handle with some patience, and get it when it's released?
[12:21] <Vessquire> Because I have other things to do
[12:22] <EmxBA> I'm waiting for ff every minute but it would be much better just to settle down until it doesn't release.
[12:22] <maddler> doh! PriceChild solved!
[12:22] <zYe_> please, explain imwheel file to me.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16320/
[12:23] <Dante123> EmxBA......why are you so impatient with the impatient
[12:23] <maddler> needed to install system-services
[12:23] <EmxBA> Dante123: what? :)
[12:23] <Vessquire> You would think they could announce a time if they're releasing tomorrow
[12:23] <sotec_> Is it possible to copy my entire Feisty OS that is installed to another hard drive and have that one as my new one, or is a reinstall/upgrade/install all of the packages I have on this box necessary?
[12:23] <crdlb> I wouldn't think that at all
[12:23] <maddler> PriceChild: but basically the problem was /etc/event.d/tty* files where "wrong"
[12:23] <mc44> Vessquire: not really
[12:24] <PriceChild> maddler, what broke them?
[12:24] <PriceChild> maddler, how'd you figure it out and how'd you fix x? :)
[12:24] <jpsamara> Im waiting for feisty as well. I used to compile gnome-sudoku just to play sudokus on edgy... but it was buggy
[12:24] <sotec_> I would like to leave this Feisty install intact and just move the entire thing to another, larger hard drive.
[12:25] <d4rky> 00:24 AM CET
[12:25] <maddler> dunno what broke... it was an upgrade... no clue if it was something on the "old" system or something new...
[12:25] <EmxBA> most of us are insanely watching IRC channels and waiting for announcement :D
[12:26] <d4rky> EmxBA, why are you describing me? :P
[12:26] <d4rky> I should go to sleep, but I don't care, because I'm sick anyway
[12:26] <mc44> EmxBA: youll be waiting a load of hours get :)
[12:26] <mc44> *yet
[12:26] <maddler> bsaically I found in bug 95210 that something changed in tty*
[12:26] <ubotu> Malone bug 95210 in upstart "Can't access to TTY-  init /etc/event.id/tty1:16: Unknown stanza (dup-of: 92928)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95210
[12:26] <ubotu> Malone bug 92928 in casper "casper corrupts virtual consoles creation events (/etc/event.d/tty1 - tty6) " [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92928
[12:26] <EmxBA> I'm one of those, like d4rky .
[12:27] <d4rky> we have lots of time, all night
[12:27] <maddler> PriceChild: so I looked for a deb containing them... and the only one was system-services
[12:27] <d4rky> what time do you have?
[12:27] <Wikzo> How long will it take for a torrent to be out? Someone have to download it first, right=
[12:27] <EmxBA> I have lots of time for some rest, it's UTC+2 in here.
[12:27] <maddler> PriceChild: let me place a comment on that bug...
[12:27] <PriceChild> so just a dpkg -reinstall ?
[12:28] <maddler> no... I hadn't the package... :|
[12:28] <maddler> don't ask me how...