leth_I can't type the pipe character over vnc, anyone got any ideas?12:28
leth_It's not a client issue as far as i can tell12:28
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basvgwow... all packages installed... 's cleaning up now. Impressive (so far)12:30
|NewUser|basvg: same here :)12:30
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frank23I heard the feisty RC was delayed. Is the release delayed as well?12:31
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Woody_after i installed ubuntu on my computer, and when i enter xp... i cannot access (D:) the partition of ubuntu12:31
Woody_why is that?12:32
basvgfrank23: on the site it still says 2 days to go12:32
Woody_(D: )12:32
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basvgWoody_: windows doesn't know how to read the filesystem I think... it's the 'normal' behavior12:32
frank23Woody_: windows can't read the filesystem used by ubuntu (ext3)12:32
Woody_ah, so it can't be fixed?12:33
frank23Woody_: there is a driver you can install in windows to support ext312:33
leth_anyone know why vnc won't let me type pipe characters and stuff?12:33
basvgwow... boot is much faster in feisty12:33
frank23Woody_: I forget what it's called. I never tried it12:33
Woody_ah okay thanks frank2312:33
|NewUser|how can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz all. so this is my all update and download packages there.. anyone can help ?12:33
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basvgright, everything seems to work... off to bed!12:35
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maccam94weird, update download's going very slowly for me...  30-50KB/s12:41
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mstrzeleanybody knows what's the difference in xserver-xorg-video-i180 and recently uploaded to universe xserver-xorg-video-intel?12:41
maccam94mstrzele, is there anything in the changelogs?12:41
peterfluteHello gnomefreak, did you have time to look into my problem with the nvidia drivers?12:41
gnomefreakpeterflute: 7300 or 6200?12:42
gnomefreakor 660012:42
peterfluteI think "gt" is short for "git"12:42
peterflute...and I wondered if it might not be a motherboard issue...12:42
mstrzelemaccam94: nothing. two different packages. xserver-xorg-video-intel version starts from 1:1.9.94-1ubuntu3, before that version there was nothing ;)12:42
gnomefreakpeterflute: yeah i looked into it but i am hearing the new drivers 9755 should work. i have no way of testing12:42
leth_does anyone know why the vncserver can't understand the pipe character from my client?12:42
gnomefreakpeterflute: 6200 and up seem to all be a beast to set up12:43
peterfluteSo I shoul dmaybe download them rom nvidia and try themm.12:43
leth_other things like the less that/greater than signs don't work either12:43
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VirhYl3How do I get a program to start every time I reboot automatically?12:45
gnomefreakpeterflute: im not real sure to be honest :(12:46
mstrzeleVirhYl3: go to System -> Preferences -> Sessions12:46
|NewUser|how can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz  i have all packages. there which one i download or update.. plz anyone can help ?12:46
peterfluteWell I appreciate your honesty.12:46
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gnomefreakpeterflute: maybe ask about it in #ubuntu-motu12:46
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peterfluteAnd thanks again for the help.12:46
gnomefreaksince they package the drivers they may know more12:47
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gnomefreak#ubuntu-motu channel12:47
gnomefreakpeterflute: /j #ubuntu-motu ;)12:47
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|NewUser|can someone plz help me out ?  iwant to take just backup 0f that folder in another place.12:50
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leafwso compiz is not enabled by default, but it's "one check box away" ? Which check box? Where? Is it meant for synaptic or what ?01:04
fb33how do I renew my ip?01:04
fb33or get a local ip01:04
fb33it says I don't have one01:04
leafwis there an official list of compiz-enabled graphic cards?01:04
fb33and dhcpcd is not working01:05
leafwfb33 : ethernet cable ?  sudo ifup eth001:05
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_NeilSo, as of tomorrow this channel and #ubuntu merge?01:06
_Neilor not :)01:06
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fb33wireless. but I got the idea01:06
apollo2011Hi everyone01:06
_Neilhey apollo201101:06
mstrzeleleafw: System -> Preferences -> Desktop Effects to enable Compiz01:06
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sdfasdfawefleafw: system ->preferences -> desktop effects01:07
apollo2011I am having trouble with the nvidia-glx driver. I have an NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 graphics card, and X successfully loads with the nvidia-glx package (version 9631) but the colors are off. I have tried the gamma settings but I cannot get anything to repair this problem, The nv driver works fine and the nvidia-glx driver used to work fine with my card.01:07
sdfasdfawefthats only basic effects though01:08
sdfasdfawefif you want more, you'll have to install full compiz and extras01:08
sdfasdfawefor beryl01:08
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mstrzelesdfasdfawef: if you want to configure more effects you must install gnome-compiz-manager01:08
Woody_which is better? compiz or beryl?01:09
mstrzeleapollo2011: for your card you must install nvidia-glx-legacy, I guess01:09
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Woody_mstrzele: what is better? compiz or beryl?01:10
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mstrzeleapollo2011: sorry, my mistake. for new nvidia cards is nvidia-glx-new, for yours model is nvidia-glx01:11
apollo2011All indications from nvidia say I need the 9631 driver, legacy does not give me 3D support.01:11
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misfit_toyapollo nvidia-glx now supports 9631, use that01:11
apollo2011I just found this post that seems to show the same problem affecting FreeBSD and Linux users: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8432301:11
apollo2011misfit_toy: I am on 9631 now01:12
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misfit_toyapollo2011, what card?01:12
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apollo2011Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 20001:12
{uX}l`VampyrCeilso many nvidia 'issues'01:12
{uX}l`VampyrCeilSysInfo: Graphic: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)01:12
{uX}l`VampyrCeilwill mine work?01:12
misfit_toyapollo2011, not familiar with that one01:12
{uX}l`VampyrCeilit's not like it's new or sumn01:12
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misfit_toyI have 3d acceleration:01:13
misfit_toyOpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation01:13
misfit_toyOpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 440 Go/AGP/SSE201:13
misfit_toyOpenGL version string: 1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.3101:13
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misfit_toyand that is the ubuntu nvidia-glx, not -legacy01:14
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apollo2011misfit_toy: I have 3D support but I would really rather have proper colors than 3D support, right now, stuff that supposed to look blue looking yellow-green with nvidia-glx01:14
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misfit_toyweird, my colors are fine here, is this an older -glx driver maybe? have you updated in a while? this one is from only a week or so ago.01:15
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apollo2011misfit_toy: nope everything is updated its the 9631 driver. Nvidia .bin install gives the same problem. I had this problem on Edgy and upgrading to Feisty had no benefit01:16
misfit_toyapollo2011, never heard of a color issue, that one's new to me.01:16
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misfit_toyapollo2011, laptop or desktop?01:18
misfit_toyapollo2011, what kind of monitor?01:18
misfit_toymaybe your refresh rate is wrong01:19
apollo2011misfit_toy: Dell Dimension 8200 desktop with Dell 7200FP (DVI connection) LCD Monitor01:21
xtknight1702fp you mean perhaps?01:22
xtknightall lcds should run at 60 hz01:22
BluesKajhey misfit_toy, I successfully put /home on it's own partition...had to use this tutorial to make the transition :  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome01:22
apollo2011xtknight: yes 1702fp, sorry01:22
misfit_toyapollo2011, isn't there an nvidia gamma correction util? I forget the name...01:22
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misfit_toyBluesKaj, cool man, glad you got it!01:22
apollo2011misfit_toy: Yes, but it doesn't fix the problem (nvidia-settings)01:22
xtknightcould be a gamma problem01:23
xtknightis gamma R=1.0, G=1.0, B=1.0?01:23
apollo2011misfit_toy, xtknight: All the gammas appear right, and Red and Green will change appearance, but moving the blue gamma does nothing01:24
xtknightapollo2011, check the cable on both ends (display card and monitor)01:24
xtknightboth vga and dvi have separate pins for red/green/blue and one can get unplugged and cause discoloration01:24
apollo2011xtknight: Well if I switch to nv driver, it is fine01:24
xtknightapollo2011, well it could be a bandwidth problem, perhaps01:24
xtknightso i'd still check the cable01:24
xtknightjust plug it in all the way on both sides01:24
xtknightit's hooked up via DVI or VGA right now?01:25
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|NewUser|ow can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz  i have all packages. there which one i download or update.. plz anyone can help ?01:25
misfit_toy|NewUser|, why don't you just burn it to cd with gnomebaker or something? :)01:26
apollo2011xtknight: right now its DVI, monitor end of the cable was ok, I01:27
|NewUser|misfit_toy: dont have writer :p01:27
apollo2011will try the card end now otherwise try VGA01:27
|NewUser|misfit_toy:  i have 80gb USb so i can transfer it easily01:27
|NewUser|misfit_toy: just want to backup it completly..01:27
misfit_toy"tar cvpzf backup.tgz  --exclude=backup.tgz ."01:28
xtknightapollo2011, so with nvidia driver you have issues but with nv no issues?  at the desktop?01:28
misfit_toybut switch to that directory first |NewUser|01:29
|NewUser|tar ?01:29
misfit_toy"tar cvpzf /dev/whateveryourusbthingis/backup.tgz  --exclude=backup.tgz ."01:29
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xtknightinteresting. you need the exclude in there?01:29
misfit_toyxtknight, not since he's putting it externally, no01:29
llamakcyou do if you're in that same dir01:29
xtknightprobably need root access too no?01:30
xtknightfor /var/cache01:30
misfit_toyand |NewUser| notice that little "." at the end of that line01:30
|NewUser|misfit_toy: sure let me try it.01:30
misfit_toyyes sudo would be required, I never know how much to tell someone! lol01:30
xtknightah nm no root for Read01:30
|NewUser|xtknight:  now whenever i use any cmd. i used sudo first :)01:31
misfit_toyxtknight, oh, true!01:31
xtknightno dont use sudo01:31
xtknight<drw>  <----user perms xr-xr-x01:31
xtknightso he has read access already01:31
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|NewUser|misfit_toy: so this command made backup in same place ?01:32
|NewUser|with .tgz ?01:33
xtknighti dont believe you use a block device as a parameter01:33
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Crazytomis fiesty still due out the 19th or is it going to be late?01:33
|NewUser|xtknight: who me ? sorry i m new with linux trying to learn01:33
xtknight|NewUser|, ya sorry i wasnt specific01:34
xtknight|NewUser|, hold on ill try and figure out the command01:34
PriceChildCrazytom, it'll be out when its ready01:34
stdinCrazytom: no delays announced tho01:35
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xtknightwhen will it be ready? :)01:35
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|NewUser|xtknight:  sure :)01:35
beg1689is it too late to report a bug?01:35
|NewUser|xtknight:  i m waiting :)01:35
xtknightbeg1689, no, please do01:35
mstrzele|NewUser|: why don't u use file-roller to backup this dir?01:35
xtknightbeg1689, it can still come thru the updates if it doesn't make the Feisty release01:35
jbruckmanhey everyone, i'm having some problems with Nvidia drivers in feisty. anyone know how to get them installed without breaking the monitor settings?01:35
mstrzele|NewUser|: and save archive on e.g. desktop and drag&drop it to the usb disk01:35
|NewUser|mstrzele:  thats dir owned by root And.. i think dir is in use01:35
beg1689searching launchpad first :)01:36
xtknightyou can do create archive01:36
xtknighti just hate it that it has no progress bar01:36
xtknightbut maybe you don't care01:36
xtknight|NewUser|, type "file-roller"01:36
xtknightactually maybe file roller has progress.  nautilus script doesn't but we wont use that01:36
beg1689wow i never noticed bug number 101:36
|NewUser|okies its open01:36
xtknight|NewUser|, new archive01:36
BluesKaj|NewUser|, sudo gedit /var/cache/apt01:37
xtknight|NewUser|, save it on you desktop somewhere01:37
xtknightperhaps gksu nautilus01:37
xtknightthough i think file roller is a better idea01:37
beg1689will i ever see the day where i can walk into compusa and see a desktop running ubuntu?01:37
|NewUser|BluesKaj: in that dir there is alot files and more dir.01:37
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xtknightbeg1689, not unless you put in a livecd on one of their computers :P01:37
BluesKajoops yeah, i keep forgeting to substitute ...01:37
xtknight|NewUser|, got the new archive  made?01:38
xtknightdo Tar compressed with Bzip201:38
|NewUser|xtknight:  hold on .. closing all crap.01:38
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mstrzele|NewUser|: Places -> Computer -> Filesystem -> var -> cache -> apt -> archvies -> right click on 'archives', next "Make archive" and save it to a desktop e.g., is the easiest solution01:38
xtknightyeah youd have to do "gksu nautilus" for the above01:39
beg1689ok maybe this is more of a request than a bug: there is no easy way to switch between dhcp and static ip (in this case im referring to wired network)01:39
mstrzelextknight: i've just packed all ../archives without having root rights01:39
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beg1689if im using static, i have to manually switch to dhcp, and when i want to switch back i need to reenter IP, gateway, subnet01:39
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xtknightmstrzele, i thought create archive only let you create an archive in the current dir (thus requiring root)?01:40
xtknightah k never mind01:40
mstrzelextknight: with "Make archive" dialog you can choose path to save archive01:40
xtknight|NewUser|, ignore what i said earlier01:40
beg1689also network manager tries to connect to wireless networks when wired network is set manually01:40
The_Jack_of_Clubso hows wireless networking?01:40
xtknight|NewUser|, dont bother with file roller right now01:40
beg1689works great01:40
beg1689wireless networking works BETTER than wired01:40
xtknightdoubt that01:41
mstrzelextknight: and it have progress bar ;] 01:41
The_Jack_of_Clubwpa2 doesnt freak anymore does it?01:41
xtknightmstrzele, doesnt for me sometimes.  just a bouncing bar01:41
|NewUser|xtknight: its start :S01:41
The_Jack_of_Clubalso is wireless n supported?01:41
xtknight|NewUser|, type "gksu nautilus"01:41
beg1689right now im connected using wired network, but nm-applet shows an empty signal, it wants a wireless network01:41
beg1689becuase im set to static01:41
xtknightnever mind dont need that01:41
|NewUser|so cancel it ?01:41
xtknight|NewUser|, just follow mstrzele 's instructions01:41
VirhYl3What has crashed and how do I fix it when I have No panels in gnome?01:42
mstrzele|NewUser|: Places -> Computer -> Filesystem -> var -> cache -> apt -> right click on 'archives', next "Make archive" and save it to a desktop e.g., is the easiest solution01:42
The_Jack_of_Clubwireless n anybody? i know its new but macs have it... and that vista thingy i think :P01:42
|NewUser|mstrzele: are u sure the backup willbe same as the previous condition ?01:43
mstrzele|NewUser|: yes01:43
|NewUser|mstrzele: okie :)01:43
VirhYl3And how do I open the panels back up, so I can try a reboot?01:44
|NewUser|have to reboot system.. my updates are finished :)01:44
llamakci gotta get away from my ati card. looking for something by nvidia under $100. no big gaming card needed. suggestions?01:44
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xtknightlol gonna try unreal tournament at 2960x207401:46
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Tm_TLaney: hi mother01:48
LaneyHello... son?01:48
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spikehi there01:49
Tm_Tspike: you seems to have bad user info01:49
spikecan anybody help me out with raid and udev? I'm having a serious nightmare with it01:49
VirhYl3How can I reboot without any reboot button?01:49
spikeor more precisely, a problem with initrd01:49
lupine_85"reboot" in terminal01:49
mstrzeleVirhYl3: go to termial and press CTRL+ALT+DEL01:50
spikethe new image as created with update-initramfs wont boot, just give me errors that /dev/md/0 is busy01:50
Tm_TLaney: your realname ;)01:50
VirhYl3what program is terminal in /usr?01:50
Tm_TVirhYl3: err?01:50
VirhYl3or you mean ctrl+alt+f101:50
LaneyTm_T: Oh haha, I forgot about that!01:50
mstrzeleVirhYl3: first press CTRL+ALT+F1 to go to the termianl and then press CTRL+ALT+DEL01:51
VirhYl3Tm_T: I have a desktop, beryl, avant window navigator, and no other menus anywhwere.01:51
VirhYl3mstrzele: Ok, will try that.01:51
xtknighthow do you disable an audio device?01:51
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xtknighti want to disable my onboard completely (could do it from the bios but not convenient atm)01:51
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sdfasdfawefwith vmware workstation 6 my usb devices arent picked up by my win xp guest os in feisty.... anyone else have this problem?01:52
sdfasdfaweffiesty picks them up fine, but doesnt pass them on to the virtual machine01:52
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gan|y|medwhy does fglrx.ko get deleted every time the system is restarted???01:53
misfit_toygan|y|med, if no one here knows you might try in #ubuntu-effects01:54
gan|y|medthx. what's this?01:54
beg1689llamakc: you can get a gf7600 if you look hard enough for under $10001:54
gan|y|medchannel for strange effects?01:54
llamakcthanks beg1689. will do01:54
xtknighthow do i find out what program is using a module?  i'm trying to unload one01:55
beg1689that one will be a bit more than $100 because of shipping01:55
beg1689i have a go 7600 which is probably the slowest version of it, but it runs awesome01:55
beg1689half life 2 (wine) ut2004, warcraft 3 (obviously), quake 4 all good01:56
beg1689wow and one of the reviews is from an ubuntu user01:56
Shaddoxi have an ATI Radeon xpress 200M01:56
xtknightut2004 runs awesome on a 7800gt here with ubuntu01:56
ShaddoxWhich sucks majorly01:56
llamakcthanks ya'll01:56
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xtknightanyway to map an alsa device to hw0:0 from hw1:0?01:57
gan|y|medcome on guys01:57
gan|y|mednobody has ever had the fglrx issue, nobody uses the ati drivers?01:57
sdfasdfawefanyone using vmware 6 beta on feisty?01:57
|NewUser|mstrzele: as i said .. it gave me error in return about permission :)01:57
llamakcgan|y|med: I'm unable to use them.01:58
mstrzele|NewUser|: while extracting to new machine?01:58
beg1689vmware server? i hae player 1.0.201:58
llamakcwhich is why i'm giving up on ati once and for all. i cant' get 2.6.20-15 to even boot beyond HAL01:58
|NewUser|mstrzele: no while compressing it01:58
gan|y|medllamakc: why that?01:58
beg1689my experience with ati is very nice01:58
llamakcwith feisty?01:59
beg1689becuase all my ati cards are 200 series, out-of-the-box compiz01:59
mstrzele|NewUser|: error about 'lock' file?01:59
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ShaddoxHey everyone. How do I get the sound working in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, which is on the Quake III engine?01:59
llamakcmy radeon x300 is driving me batty01:59
gan|y|medthe precompiled in feisty work perfectly well, couldn't get the ati ones to compile (kernel and xorg problems)01:59
|NewUser|mstrzele: An error occurred while adding files to the archive. "tar: apt/apt/archives/lock: Cannot open: Permission Denied01:59
|NewUser|tar: apt/archives/lock: Cannot Open: Permission denied01:59
|NewUser|tar: Error exit delayed from previous error01:59
|NewUser|mstrzele: yea01:59
Shaddox|NewUser|: Try doing 'sudo <command>'01:59
sdfasdfawefbeg1689: do usb devices work with it?02:00
mstrzele|NewUser|: this file is used to lock archives while you're using synaptics, U can skip this file02:00
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gan|y|medas i said, precompiled drivers work, just that fglrx,ko gets deleted everytime the system is restarted02:00
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mstrzele|NewUser|: you don't need to compress it while you gonna transfer only archives to new ubuntu installation02:00
|NewUser|mstrzele:  i want that whole folder :<02:00
|NewUser|mstrzele: then how can i deselect it ?02:01
psusiI just noticed that the amd64 livecd does not have gparted installed, but the i386 one does.. is this normal?02:01
mstrzele|NewUser|: all files from /archive/ dir is in the .tar.gz, only 'lock' file wasn't compressed02:01
mstrzele|NewUser|: you don't need to deselect it02:01
|NewUser|mstrzele: really ?02:02
|NewUser|mstrzele: i got all files in .tar.gz ? except lock ?02:02
mstrzele|NewUser|: yes02:02
mstrzele|NewUser|: try open archive from desktop and look at contents02:02
|NewUser|mstrzele: okie then its fine :) sure let me open it .02:03
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xtknightShaddox, there's some helpful stuff on the forums about ET02:05
xtknightpsusi, i dont think that should be the case02:05
psusiok... I'll file a bug report then02:06
xtknighti'd recommend doing that02:06
|NewUser|mstrzele: okie thanks ya its fine :) except lock . there is all files.02:06
|NewUser|damn i have 500+ mb apt cache :S02:06
mstrzele|NewUser|: no problem :)02:06
|NewUser|now i m gonna clean my cache first :)02:06
sdfasdfawefbeg1689: do usb devices work with the version of vmware player you have installed02:07
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ShaddoxHey everyone. How do I get the sound working in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, which is on the Quake III engine?02:08
xtknightShaddox, there's some helpful stuff on the forums about ET02:08
|NewUser|well i m trying to do " sudo apt-get install && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade " in result its showing " 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 to upgraded. This mean i dont need any update now ?02:08
Shaddoxxtknight: I forget the site's name. what is it again?02:08
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beg1689sdfasdfawef: never tried, want me to test one?02:10
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mstrzele|NewUser|: yes, you have system up-to-date02:10
|NewUser|well i did " sudo apt-get clean " && " sudo apt-get autoclean " but still all the packages in that /var/cache/apt/apt/archives02:11
jbruckmani am having some problems install the proprietary nvidia drivers on my feisty distro. WHen I install the glx driver, i can no longer adjust the monitor resolution02:11
mstrzele|NewUser|: if you want to check is your system updated type in termial: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' only02:12
|NewUser|umm sorry but size is compress now size is just 53mb :S02:12
NickGarveyRC-1 is out?02:12
|NewUser|mstrzele:  okie02:12
Shaddoxxtknight: Wow, i think i found what I'm lookin' for, ^^02:12
|NewUser|mstrzele: thanks for help :)02:12
|NewUser|now going to play with beryl :>02:13
Shaddoxxtknight: Problem, though.02:13
sdfasdfawefbeg1689: would be great if you could02:13
gan|y|medwhy does fglrx.ko get deleted every time the system is restarted???02:13
mstrzele|NewUser|: good luck '] 02:13
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mstrzele|NewUser|: good luck ;] 02:13
Shaddoxxtknight: It says to input: < echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss > into my console., but when I do it, even with a sudo, it says permission denied.02:13
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|NewUser|duh.. can i one more thing.. in the right top corner there is icon of network.. it just like a pause picture :p not blinks02:14
xtknightShaddox, ah k02:14
xtknightShaddox, sudo sh -c "echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"02:14
xtknighttry that instead02:14
xtknightsudos the whole thing02:14
mstrzele|NewUser|: Network Manager icon, I guess. that icon isn't blink on eth activity, it's normal behaviour02:15
Shaddoxxtknight: archon@Shaddox:~$ sudo sh -c "echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"02:15
Shaddoxxtknight: Password:02:15
Shaddoxxtknight: et.x8602:15
Shaddoxxtknight: Is that what it's supposed to say?02:15
|NewUser|mstrzele: okie :)02:15
xtknightShaddox, hm02:15
|NewUser|mstrzele: again alot thanks.02:15
Shaddoxxtknight: Let me test. ^^02:15
mstrzele|NewUser|: if you want a blinking icon install gnome-netstatus-applet02:15
xtknightShaddox, no02:15
ShaddoxUh, okay...02:15
xtknightShaddox, sudo sh -c "echo \"et.x86 0 0 direct\" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"02:15
xtknighttry that instead02:15
|NewUser|mstrzele: sure ty02:15
xtknightits' not supposed to print anytihng02:16
Shaddoxxtknight: It didn't print anything this time.02:16
xtknightShaddox,  k type "cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"02:17
xtknightdoes that print anything?02:17
|NewUser|mstrzele: i try to install it but it says gnome-status-applet is already the newest version.02:17
Shaddoxxtknight: With a sudo?02:17
xtknightShaddox, nah02:17
Shaddoxxtknight: It prints: et.x86 0 0 direct02:17
xtknightk it worked02:17
ShaddoxKay, testing.02:17
mstrzele|NewUser|: gnome-*status*-applet? not gnome-*netstatus*-applet?02:17
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Shaddoxxtknight: Sound's still borked.02:18
|NewUser|mstrzele: sorry ya it is gnome-netstatus-applet02:18
xtknightShaddox, i'm not sure as ET worked first try for me02:18
mstrzele|NewUser|: so is it installed or not? :)02:18
|NewUser|mstrzele: is it installed but the light not blinks there :S02:19
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mstrzele|NewUser|: right click on top panel, 'Add applet to panel' and select 'Network monitor'02:19
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|NewUser|mstrzele: ya now it is look like what i want :) thanks ...02:21
|NewUser|is opera launch for fiesty ?02:21
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apollo2011hello again misfit_toy xtknight02:22
xtknightapollo2011, hey02:22
xtknightwere you the one with dell 1702fp problems?02:22
apollo2011xtknight: The DVI cable was connected ok, I tried the VGA and it was ok until the Kubuntu boot screen disappeared and I was expecting to see the login screen, but it was just blank02:23
apollo2011yes I was02:23
apollo2011One thing I noticed was that in the KDE System Settings for Monitor, everytime I loaded X with the nvidia-glx driver, it showed a different refresh rate, usually 53 or 57, but never 60. I couldn't get it to go to 60. Now I am back with the nv driver, and it shows 60Hz.02:25
beg1689sdfasdfawef: sorry i was busy02:26
beg1689booting up wmware now02:26
apollo2011I think this is just a bug with the nvidia driver that will have to be resolved by nvida, or by me buying a new graphics card...02:26
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP302:26
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sdfasdfawefbeg1689: great thanks02:28
jbruckmancan someone please help me? I'd like some information on the nvidia drivers in feisty...02:28
Shaddoxxtknight: My sound's still not there. :x02:28
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maccam94anyone know what the deal is with large amounts of memory in kernel 2.6 atm? i've got 2GB of ram, plus a big swap partition (for the hell of it), but I was just reading some articles talking about how the 2.4 kernel could only address 1GB of ram....02:29
xtknightapollo2011, hmm im not sure02:29
xtknightmaccam94, the 2.4 kernel?02:29
xtknightwithout a special config option yes but i dont think ubuntu in any way could ever work with a 2.4 kernel..?02:29
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xtknightShaddox, sorry i dont know how to fix it02:30
maccam94xtknight, no I am using the normal 2.6 kernel (I don't want 2.4). I was just reading that in kernel 2.4 there were issues with over 1GB of physical ram without a patch called "highmem", and I was wondering what the status of the issue is in 2.602:31
xtknightmaccam94, nope 2.6 is just fine02:31
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xtknightmaccam94, it can use 4 G of VRAM (-hardware addresses).  there is PAE support that can enable addressing up to 2^48 i believe02:32
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xtknighta kernel in 64bit mode can address 2^48 also (48-bit not 64-bit memory on 64bit CPUs AFAIK)02:32
beg1689sdfasdfawef: my usb disk is working02:32
beg1689seems fine02:33
maccam94xtknight, k, that's what I thought, just there were lots of conflicting google results ;-P02:33
beg1689sdfasdfawef: it detected the usb disk but then i got an error, probably doesnt have proper permissions02:34
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sdfasdfawefok thanks02:36
beg1689recognizes my bluetooth adaptor too02:36
beg1689is it recognizing your devices jusnot being able to access them?02:36
sdfasdfawefmine are all getting picked up by ubuntu, but not by the quest xp isntall02:36
beg1689are the usb lines enabled in the .vmx?02:37
beg1689usb.present = "TRUE"  &&  usb.generic.autoconnect = "TRUE"02:37
sdfasdfawefill check that..02:37
sdfasdfaweffrom the gui it shows that its enabled and present, but i havent looked at the config file02:37
beg1689well i use player, not workstation02:38
beg1689for me it shows devices at the top, and i can toggle them on and off02:38
beg1689CD-ROM, Ethernet, Sound, then all usb devices02:38
EleafDoes anybody here know much about pulseaudio?02:38
EleafI'm running it, but I seem to get a small amount of latency that wasn't there with just alsa.02:38
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sdfasdfawefi see that first line but not the second line02:42
sdfasdfawefill try adding that one02:42
Gat0rveanis the only difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu the Gnome to KDE desktop envoronments?02:44
mphillGat0rvean, not in my opinion02:45
Eleafyes Gat0rvean02:45
Gat0rveanmphill, could you elaborate a bit?02:45
mphillKubuntu comes with more bloat, it has Konquor instead of Firefox, Kopete instead of Gaim, just different apps mostly...02:46
mphillPersonally I like to install ubuntu then get kde core, seems much more stable.... imho02:47
BluesKaj<---prefers KDE ...old windows guys usually do02:47
Tm_TBluesKaj: stop cursing02:48
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mphillBluesKaj makes a good point, most Windows user like KDE more, and Mac users tend to like Gnome...02:48
BluesKajI said old ...as in the past :)02:48
Tm_TBluesKaj: no, next word was the illegal one02:48
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BluesKajwell learned about pcs on windows first , then saw the light02:49
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instabinhow do i rename a link02:49
instabinin the command prompt02:50
instabinor just redirect a link02:50
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ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands02:50
ubotuThe "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands02:51
beg1689mv filename newfilename02:51
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:51
beg1689ln -s filepointedto filepointedby02:51
ubotuqemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo02:52
ubotuXEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy02:52
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ShaddoxUh, question.02:58
ShaddoxI installed ubuntu-desktop on my server machine. How can I bring up the ubuntu desktop interface on this laptop?02:59
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noname`If I run update-manager through terminal and press 'check' I get the output: current dist not found in meta-release file03:00
noname`Is that normal, or a problem?03:00
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dfawerefaeffigured it out03:01
dfawerefaefhad to run sudo mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb03:02
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mphillShaddox, enable remote desktop03:03
mphillthen on the laptop from session, change it to remote03:03
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Shaddoxmphill: Uh, can you explain how? I haven't done this before. ^^03:03
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mphillon the server click system -> preferences -> remote desktop03:06
Shaddoxmphil: Give me a few, I'll need to learn how to configure it and all that, but I'm in the middle of dishes. Are you going to be here in about 15-30 minutes?03:06
mphillprobably not bro03:07
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ShaddoxAh, crap, then let me go turn my server monitor on.03:07
ShaddoxAlso, how do I configure it so GDM does NOT start on startup?03:08
xtknightdoes ubuntu have the JACK audio plugin?  in repos or enabled by default ? any guides on using it?03:08
RAOFxtknight: AFAIK, the jack server *is* in the repos, and if you're interested in it you probably want to check out the ubuntu-studio metapackage03:09
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xtknightRAOF, ah just trying to get the most out of my audigy2(emu10k2).  asio, 24/192 etc03:10
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mphillShaddox, you can remove GDM maybe rename it in init.d03:10
RAOFxtknight: pulseaudio?  Nice & in main :)03:10
xtknightRAOF, ah looks sweet.  thanks03:11
RAOFxtknight: Also, unless you're trying to do professional-type recording, I don't think jack will get anything more out of your audigy than ALSA03:11
instabinI fixed my glx now im getting a differnet error when x is starting. The nvidia kernel module has version 1.0.9755 but the x module has version 1.0.963103:11
xtknightnot professional.  probably not even recording (well maybe from waveout).  i just wanna mess with the output sample rates/ etc03:11
xtknightenthusiast i guess03:11
RAOFxtknight: ALSA allows that.03:12
instabinhow do i change my kernel module to the verison installed with the synaptic03:12
RAOFinstabin: Have you tried installing your nvidia driver manually at any point?03:12
instabinit was when i had 6.1003:12
xtknightRAOF, unfortunately i have no idea how.  docs are very sparse03:12
instabinbut then i up graded to 7.0403:12
RAOFinstabin: Upgrade, not clean install?03:13
xtknightRAOF,  i'm trying to get it to sound as good as the kX drivers on my windows.  i thought perhaps it was because of the 24-bit 192khz (to my knowldge) i have enabled in windows03:13
instabinRAOF: Upgrade03:13
instabinRAOF: update-manager -d03:14
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Eleafwhy is there no autopackage in feisty?03:14
RAOFxtknight: But all your CDs/MP3s/whatever will be 16bit @ 44KHz, right?  Upsampling from there 'aint gonna make anything sound better :)03:14
EleafI can't find any autopackage tools in the repos03:14
RAOFEleaf: Because it's broken03:14
EleafIt's needed to run this game I want to try ;)03:15
xtknightRAOF, heh i wonder what it could be then03:15
instabinWhere are the kernel modules at its probably just a messed up symbolic link03:15
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RAOFinstabin: Pastebin your /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file.03:15
xtknightRAOF, is there some type of HW equalizer for the audigy2?  i do know kX has that, yet i do not see one for ALSA03:15
instabinRAOF: its on the other computer its a command prompt right now03:15
instabinno X03:15
RAOFinstabin: Well, then tell me what the DISABLED_MODULES line has in it.03:16
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RAOFEleaf: Sorry, I replaced "autopackage" with "checkinstall".  What's autopackage meant to be?03:16
Eleafcheckinstall doesn't work???03:16
instabinRAOF: just NV03:16
RAOFinstabin: That's your problem :)03:17
EleafRAOF, it's what lots of projects use to run programs.03:17
misfit_toyEleaf, but you can skip checkinstall most times.03:17
Eleafkinda like a binary that works with all distributions.. I don't know03:17
Eleafmisfit_toy, I alsmost always use checkinstall.03:17
misfit_toyup to you03:17
instabinRAOF: im trying to install the restricted drivers03:17
EleafI hate installing source packages without making a deb.03:17
Eleafmisfit_toy, why would it not work?03:17
xtknightcheckinstall doesnt always track everything correctly03:18
RAOFinstabin: Remove that "nv".  Your l-r-m-c file should have DISABLED_MODULES="" at the bottom of it.03:18
RAOFEleaf: Oh, *autopackage*.  That shouldn't be in the repos because it doesn't have to be.03:18
RAOFEleaf: The *whole point* of autopackage is that you don't use the package manager.03:18
EleafRAOF, isn't there a way to uninstall things when you run an autopackage program?03:19
misfit_toyEleaf make -uninstall03:19
instabinRAOF: its rebooting now03:19
Eleafwhenever I'm running this .package program, it says it needs to download autopackage.tar.gz03:19
Eleafmisfit_toy, I don't always keep the same source dir.03:19
Eleafthat's a horrible method.03:19
RAOFEleaf: Yes, which is what it's supposed to do.03:19
Eleafoh okay RAOF03:19
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Eleafmisfit_toy, often times, programs don't include uninstall makefiles.03:20
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EleafRAOF, how do I uninstall the package?03:20
misfit_toyEleaf, I guess you install more things than I do.03:20
Eleafmisfit_toy, it's bad, because it won't update as things in the repos change, or as dependencies change, etc.03:21
snowpunk98I need to make a file not writable how should I chmod it?03:21
instabinRAOF: Now i have same error but different version number03:21
RAOFEleaf: I don't know.  I don't use autopackages.03:21
RAOFinstabin: Ok.  install the "linux-generic" and "nvidia-glx-new" packages.  Then restart again.03:22
Eleaflike it's sprawling stuff all over my ~ dir RAOF03:22
Eleaf(installing the program all over).03:22
instabinRAOF: they are allready installed03:22
RAOFWell, that'll be a user-only install.  That's cool.03:22
Eleafand if it was root, would probably put stuff all in /usr, /etc, etc.03:22
instabinwhere are the modules at03:22
EleafThere has to be a way to uninstall all that, if autopackage is to be worth anything.03:22
instabinwell stored at ?03:23
RAOFEleaf: Yes, probably.  Autopackage is kinda broken by design, though.  It's got an uninstall as far as I know.03:23
cabajgtr_Does anyone know if Nvidia-glx-legacy supports TV out?03:23
Eleafgoogle search says there is an autopackage command...03:23
Eleafbut ubuntu doesn't have it.03:23
RAOFcabajgtr: I believe so.03:23
Eleafoh now it does.03:23
RAOFEleaf: After you've installed an autopackage, it installs the autopackage stuff.03:23
EleafI'm guessing just for my user?03:24
RAOFinstabin: What was the actual error message again?  Also, are you *sure* that the nvidia-glx-new package is installed?03:25
instabinError: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7184, but this X module has the version 1.0-963103:26
misfit_toyinstabin, I kept having that and had to remove nvidia* just to get things clean.03:27
misfit_toyafter an upgrade from edgy to feisty03:27
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RAOFinstabin: You don't have the nvidia-glx-new package installed.03:28
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RAOFinstabin: As misfit_toy says, try removing all the nvidia* packages, try an uninstall of the nvidia.com drivers you're previously installed, *then* install the nvidia-glx-new package.03:28
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patrick_Hi guys I just fresh installed ubuntu edgy amd64 and I want to perform an upgrade to feisty.... how must this be done03:29
RAOF!upgrade | patrick_03:29
ubotupatrick_: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes03:29
RAOFinstabin: Incidentally, you're problems here are why it is *strongly* adviced to just use the nvidia-glx packaged drivers :)03:30
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misfit_toyinstabin, and if that doesn't take, you might also even remove the latest kernel and LRM, boot back to a previous kernel and reinstall the newer kernel again...I swear I fought it for a week, but his is an old old nvidia card and the driver changed right in the middle of all my troubles, LOL03:30
EdsipeRis there any changes between 7.04-server beta and 7.04-server official ?03:31
NickGarveyEdsipeR: I sure hope so03:31
NickGarveyEdsipeR: unless the beta was perfect, which it wasn't03:31
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EdsipeRNickGarvey, where can I get the changelog ?03:31
NickGarveyphew, said that right before beta came in! wouldn't want to hurt its feelings03:31
Fylkhey, guys, can any one help me install this: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29142704/03:31
instabinmisfit_toy: removing the kernel modules manualy and then going to reinstall the linux-restricted-modules03:31
ShaddoxHi everyone. How do I open a "NEw login in a nested window" Like I could in GNOME on FreeBSD?03:31
instabinshit how do uninstall a package from the console03:32
nomasteryodainstabin, no cursing.... sudo apt-get remove package03:32
misfit_toyinstabin, sudo apt-get remove packagename03:32
cabajgtr_Ok, I am totally stuck with with X on my Nvidia GeForce2 Go!.  I've tried every nvidia package and tried to use the nvidia installer for 8776, and nothing works.03:33
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nomasteryodanvidia-glx does not work?03:33
RAOFcabajgtr_: :(  THe nvidia.com installer is never the solution :(.  The nvidia-glx package should work for your card.03:34
cabajgtr_All i'm getting right now with legacy is "Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module03:34
instabinsry and thanks03:34
cabajgtr_I know, I had the nvidia-glx workin on edgy last week03:34
misfit_toycaba, "uname -r" in a term please03:34
RAOFcabajgtr_: Do you have the appropriate "linux-restricted-modules" package installed?03:35
FylkHow do I get premission to get into my /usr/share/pixmaps directory?03:35
RAOFcabajgtr_: Or, even better, just install the "linux-generic" package, which will automatically install the right l-r-m03:35
misfit_toycabajgtr, do what RAOF says03:35
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FylkHey guys, why won't it let me write to /usr/share/pixmaps?03:36
RAOFFylk: Becuase you're not root.  Why do you want to write to /usr/share/pixmaps?03:36
FylkJust some new icons. And how do I get root?03:36
FylkI am the only user on this install.03:37
ShaddoxHi everyone. How do I open a new login window in a nested window on my laptop?03:37
RAOFFylk: Prepend "sudo" to the command you're trying.  Also, where are the icons from?  Are you sure they're not already packaged, for example?03:37
cabajgtr_Shaddox do you mean in a terminal?03:38
FylkROAF, here's a link: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29142704/03:38
Shaddoxcabajgtr_: No, back when I was on FreeBSD, and logged into GNOME 2.18, there was a option in the Applications area that said "New login in a nested window..." And a new x window would pop up  on my existing desktop and I could log in as a different user or use XDMCP, and the screen would be in the nested window.03:40
cabajgtr_Ok, so I updated linux-generic, now what?03:40
cabajgtr_(and rebooted, uname -r 2.6.20-15-386)03:40
RAOFcabajgtr_: Install nvidia-glx, and reboot into the *generic* kernel.03:41
RAOFFylk: "gksudo nautilus" from a terminal will give you a root nautilus window that you can copy stuff into /usr/share/pixmaps03:41
cabajgtr_is it ok to install it from under 386?03:41
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instabinim getting cant find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic03:44
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instabinwith apt-get03:44
instabinam I typing the wrong package name?03:44
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maccam94hmmmm ubuntu seems to ignore my fstab and mounts my xfs partition as noexec (maybe lvm has something to do with it?)03:44
maccam94how do I get ubuntu to always mount my xfs partition as exec?03:45
maccam94(yes, i already set exec in /etc/fstab)03:45
instabinim getting cant find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic03:45
cabajgtr_BUmmer, now in Generic, I have an API mismatch, Kernel module is ver 7184, driver is 963103:46
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maccam94cabajgtr, you need to reinstall nvidia-kernel-source(s?)03:47
cabajgtr_im using binaries03:48
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cabajgtr_maccam94, I shouldn't need nvidia source if i'm trying to run binaries should i?03:52
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carthikHi - I was wondering if I could use rsync to download the CD image and then use rsync to update it again after release?03:55
cabajgtrDid something weird happen in here, or did I just lose my connection?03:55
nomasteryodairc thing03:56
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cabajgtrum, ok03:56
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cabajgtris RAOF still here?03:56
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nomasteryodaRAOF, you here?03:57
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cabajgtrcathik, why would you want to do that?03:58
carthikcabajgtr: so I have a smaller download on the day it is released?03:58
cabajgtrslow connection?03:58
carthiknot really, no.03:58
carthiki dont want to hit the server hard when the image is finally released :)03:59
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cabajgtrWhy not just dist-upgrade?03:59
cabajgtruse bittorrent03:59
carthikthat doesn't answer my question :)03:59
cabajgtr(sorry, don't know the answer, this was my substitution)04:00
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carthikThank you, cabajgtr - I appreciate your help.04:00
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cabajgtrI've found the servers incredibly fast lately, I think I dl'd  an edgy image in 35 minutes a couple weeks ago04:01
instabinthink the network just split04:01
carthikWith rsync that would be down to 3 if you just updating the image04:01
carthikif you are04:02
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ShaddoxHi everyone. How do i open a new nested login in Ubuntu's version of GNOME?04:03
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instabingot it fixed04:04
instabinbut i dont under stand something04:04
TuxRoxI can not seem to add commands to the session start-up dialog. Is anyone else seeing this issue?04:04
instabinhow come on the clean install it has nvidia-glx and on the upgrade it has nvidia-glx-new04:04
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ShaddoxHi everyone. How do i open a new nested login in Ubuntu's version of GNOME?04:08
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TuxRoxShaddox, you might want to check System --> Preferences --> Main Menu under System Tools and make sure New Login is checked off.04:09
ShaddoxTuxRox: Ah, thanks. Now to fix the sound in my linux build of Enemy Territory.04:10
cabajgtrInstabin, did you get beyond an API error with different versions of Kernel module and driver?04:10
EleafI'm getting a bit of delay in pulseaudio (about 100ms), is there anything I can do about this?04:10
AmaranthTuxRox: it won't tick in alacarte04:10
AmaranthTuxRox: unless you have xnest installed04:10
EleafFor instance, flash videos play for a tiny bit longer after I stop them, and is slightly out of sync.04:11
Eleaf(maybe it's just flash, but it seems like there is some definete lag)04:11
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bur[n] eranyone use rainlendar?04:14
jarrettso 7.04 is tomorrow?04:14
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ferret_0568What Intel C2D motherboard should I get?04:14
ferret_0568I want a nice, compatible, and stable one04:14
ferret_0568I'm sick of this Dell Latitude C840 laptop I have04:15
mon^rchcan I have it then?04:15
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EdsipeRwhere can I get the latest server edition ?04:15
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bur[n] erEdsipeR: define latest04:16
EdsipeRbur[n] er, latest ubuntu >= 7.04 available04:16
bur[n] er> 7.04?!?!?  7.04 isn't released until the 19th04:17
EdsipeR7.04 "beta" is out04:17
bur[n] erEdsipeR: you can get the latest beta... or get 6.10... or get a nightly... or even an hourly04:17
ferret_0568EdsipeR the beta is very stable04:18
ferret_0568I suggest a upgrade04:18
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EdsipeRwell, I have to install another server tomorrow and I would like to know where can I get a newest version than 7.04 beta04:18
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cabajgtrCan anyone help me with Nvidia API mismatch, I've got an old kernel module sticking around, with a new nvidia-glx driver04:18
bur[n] erEdsipeR: just get the beta and apt-get update && upgrade04:18
EdsipeRthat's all :)04:18
bur[n] erEdsipeR: if it's a server... don't get feisty04:18
EdsipeRI have installed beta and works very good04:19
bur[n] erEdsipeR: I'd suggest edgy04:19
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mon^rchwhat package is the one that gives the Gl Desktop in the system prefs menu?04:20
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meal3837hdparm is returning 1380MB/s on my sata II drive . . . should I be able to get this faster?04:25
meal3837cached reads04:25
misfit_toyedgy makes a *great* server04:26
meal3837i wish i hda a use for a server04:26
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wehttambdoes the migration assistant in 7.04 copy the user settings if you are installing ubuntu to the whole drive or only if you are installing it next to windows04:31
Hohlraumanyone else seeing the codec install launch from totem acting crazy?04:31
BetaWhat is the terminal command to open a root window?04:31
Betagt(something) natalius04:31
meal3837Beta: root window?04:31
BetaA window in which you have root access.04:32
meal3837Beta: I think you can just sudo it . . . at least that's how i get root gedits04:32
meal3837i.e. sudo gedit <doc>04:32
meal3837idk if that's the proper way, though04:32
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wehttambdoes the migration assistant in 7.04 copy the user settings if you are installing ubuntu to the whole drive or only if you are installing it next to windows04:33
Jordan_Uwehttamb, Either way04:33
wehttambok thx04:33
lealhow can i update my initrd on ubuntu?04:34
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leali did a upgrade to feisty, but i'm still using the old kernel because the new initrd is not working.04:34
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Jordan_Uleal, How did you upgrade04:34
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cabajgtrCan anyone help me with Nvidia API mismatch, I've got an old kernel module sticking around, with a new nvidia-glx driver04:35
ShaddoxHello everyone. What is the command to open a new login in a nested window/04:35
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lealJordan_U: everything did work great.04:35
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lealJordan_U: any tips?04:36
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ratshellHi all04:36
Jordan_Uleal, Only to file a bug report and try any updates that come04:37
lealJordan_U: but must have a way to fix that?04:37
ratshellCould I ask a random question real quick may sound odd... Could yall tell me why you like linux over XP?04:38
noname`Ahh keeps setting off my highlight :)04:38
transgress_ratshell you know how they say there is no dumb question?04:38
transgress_ratshell: they lied.  and that's a question that can light a fire up under some people04:38
ratshellWelll I just want to know why yall like it over Windows. That is all.04:39
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ratshellOkay fine, change of question. Anyone here try Cedega 6.0 yet?04:39
cabajgtrratshell, because its like an ugly version of a mac04:39
jarrettanyone know how to remove all but the current kernel?04:39
ShaddoxHi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game.04:39
gooseis there any word on this metacity bug?04:39
goosemetacity just randomly fails to start for me04:39
goosenot sure why04:39
transgress_did you file a bug report?04:40
goosethere are already 3 ppl with the same problem when i googled it =)04:40
goosei didn't feel motivated to register and file a bug report04:40
lealwhat the filesystem that ubuntu use in initrd files??04:40
transgress_well those people... did they file a bug report04:40
gooseyep they did04:40
leali could not mount it.04:41
transgress_for future reference it's a bad idea to run beta software if you don't file bug reports04:41
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transgress_you couldn't mount an initrd file?04:41
lealtransgress_: yeah04:41
corevettewhat files in synaptic do i need to let apache open my php files???04:41
lealtransgress_: i need to update the kernel to 2.6.20 to use my nvidia card... but the initrd is broken.04:42
lealtransgress_: do you know what the ubuntu procedure to do that?04:42
lealor how can i mount it?04:42
misfit_toyjarrett, use synaptic, but leave the kernel before there, you never know when you'll need it.04:42
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leali just tryied: mount -oloop -tramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-386 /initrd/04:42
lealbut did not work.04:42
Shootfasthey guys, is anyone here able to help me create a new initrd image on a non booting system?04:43
DarkMageZcorevette, i believe you need linapache2-mod-php504:43
corevettedarkmagez: i have it...here's what i get:
lealShootfast: i'm having the same problem here.04:43
ShaddoxHi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game.04:43
Shootfastleal, whats your motherboard?04:43
lealShootfast: intel 86504:44
Shootfastleal: Im trying on an XPC Shuttle, same mobo04:44
lealShootfast: do you know the ubuntu procedure to create a initrd?04:45
DarkMageZcorevette, i'm not getting a responce from that ip...04:45
lealShootfast: i use to mount and create the files by hand... but i can't do that in ubuntu...04:45
Shootfastyeah but it didnt work, someone suggested I try YAIRD, but i cant use that on the live cd as it cant mount the filesystem :S04:45
Shootfastits a debian tool for generating initrd files that more closely match your system04:46
lealShootfast: ok.04:46
gooseso do i have to stick metacity in .Xsession   ?04:47
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diabolixi have a couple of questions.. if i tell my gf to install feisty this weekend, will it automagically install the official nvidia driver?04:48
Shootfastdiabolix: hopefully04:48
stdindiabolix: not automatically04:48
stdindiabolix: but it's an easy install04:48
diabolixand what about mp3s and videos, are all those crazy codec issues cleared up?04:49
Shootfastdiabolix: doesnt it tell you that the device you have has a propriatary driver and ask if you want it?04:49
stdindiabolix: mp3 codes installs when you try to play an mp3 file04:49
diabolixShootfast, i want to wait till the official release, haven't tried yet.04:49
Shootfasti see04:49
diabolixhow about video codecs? dvdcss?04:49
ShaddoxHi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game.04:49
diabolixstuff like that?04:49
stdindiabolix: that can't be installed by default04:50
stdindiabolix: it's not legal in some places04:50
Shootfastdvdcss is never installed by default as its illegal in the us04:50
goosediabolix: don't install feisty04:50
stdindiabolix: again, easy install tho04:50
gooseit's got problems :|04:50
Shootfastgoose: no it doesnt.... whats wrong?04:50
goosethere's a metacity bug that randomly prevents it from starting04:50
Shootfastthats why i use kde :D04:50
goosei logged a few minutes ago and had no window decorations04:51
atselbycan anyone tell me why windows are automatically set to display in every workspace and how i can change that? i cant find a setting.04:51
wehttambis dvd css illegal in australia04:51
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gooseShootfast: kubuntu?04:51
gooseor kde package from ubuntu?04:51
Shootfastwehttamb: I dunno but i use it here anyways :P04:51
wehttambshootfast: yea i do as well04:52
DarkMageZShaddox, what is hapening with the sound in the q3a engine?04:52
diabolixcompiz is easy to setup now.. isn't it?04:52
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AngryElfI think, since I upgraded to BETA i'm lirc + mplayer + volume up/down, instead of altering the volume, spout a alsa-control error and "mute" the volume instead -- however, it's not a real mute since normal mute control doesn't unmute it....any ideas?04:52
Shootfastdiabolix: in fact, its installed by default04:52
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Shootfastdiabolix: you just click system>>>preferences>>>Desktop Effects and enable04:53
diabolixi'm wondering if i should tell her to use ubuntu or kubuntu...04:53
Shootfastkubuntu ftw :P04:53
stdindiabolix: kubuntu, always :)04:53
diabolixi just decided to try ubuntu on my laptop, i must admit i am impressed. i almost shat myself when hibernation and sleeping worked.04:54
diabolixand wireless.04:54
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Shootfastin feisty WPA is enabled by default too04:54
diabolixsnap.. i'm upgrading.04:54
diabolixhas anyone tried the "windows migration assistant"?04:54
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wehttambdiabolix: i want to but dont have windows to test it on04:55
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diabolixis it just for firefox settings or does it do files and mp3s?04:56
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wehttambi think it does documents04:56
wehttamband wallpaper to04:56
bullgard4Is there an instruction for use or 'official' overview of gnome-volume-manager in English? I did google but could not find one.04:56
diabolixshe's running xp, and just got a virus, and she said "alright damnit, install that linux thingy your always using"04:57
diabolixshe decided she can live without the sims.04:57
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diabolixin kubuntu, amarok is default media player.. right?04:58
Dr_willisdefault song player.04:59
Dr_willisnot video. (not sure it can do video) heh04:59
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EndlerMicrosoft will be in big trouble if the game studios ever start doing Linux versions.  That's really the only advantage Windows has for home use.04:59
diabolixi did not know that...04:59
Shootfastbullgard4: just right click and click help04:59
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stdinamarok can't (not yet)05:00
diabolixso.. is anyone in here a windows migrant?05:00
Dr_willisi perfer vlc and xine for videos :)05:00
Shootfastdiabolix: me05:00
Shootfastmplayer ftw05:00
diabolixand you prefer kubuntu?05:00
Shootfastdiabolix: only coz gnome annoys me05:00
wehttambi am a windows migrant but i didnt use the migration assistant05:01
bullgard4Shootfast: Where should I right-click on?05:01
diabolixi used to be a fluxbox guy, but gnome provides such a consistent expirience, i'm actually enjoying it.05:01
Shootfastbullgard4: right click on the volume icon in the top right corner and then choose help05:01
diabolixits almost like using a mac.05:01
Dr_willisdiabolix,  only in a GOOD way. :)05:01
Shootfastkde is so much easier to customize though, gnome baby sits you through everything05:02
diabolixyeah. like a mac that doesn't make me look like an artistic hippy.05:02
Shootfastmac annoys me too....05:03
diabolixtrue that.. about kde.05:03
Shootfasttoo much bouncing and dragging05:03
Dr_willisIm tempted to get one of those mac-minis for my next linux box. :) wonder about those mac-tv's05:03
RAOFShootfast: I like to *use* my computer, not spend hours hunting through the crazily presented "kitchen sink" options to find the switch I'm after :P05:03
Shootfastor download osx8605:03
misfit_toyDr_willis, "apple-tv" ? that new device thingy?05:03
Dr_willismisfit_toy,  yea - seen some articals on them.05:04
Shootfastthen you must hate gnome05:04
misfit_toyyeah, me too Dr_willis05:04
EndlerThe thing I don't like about gnome is they why they take all your options away and decided for you the "one and only best way to do everything" so as not to confuse the user's little brain.  If they's shitcan all their "usability studies" I'd be fine with it, 'cause I like some of the aps.05:04
diabolixyou know.. when she saw me using kde at work (i have to use suse) she got really excited about the bouncing startup notification.. i think i will install kde.05:04
Dr_willismisfit_toy,  they would be a neat mythtv front end box. :)05:04
misfit_toyDr_willis, zackly05:04
Dr_willisbut for the $$ not sure if ya could build a mini-itx system for about the same.05:04
Shootfastput beryl on and she'll be yours forever05:04
diabolixkubuntu is being released the same time as ubuntu.. correct?05:04
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Shootfastyes, but it wont get the latest KDE until later in the year i think05:05
diabolixShootfast, she already fell in love with beryl when i booted sabayon.05:05
diabolixlatest as in 4.0?05:05
EndlerSorry about all the typos.05:05
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diabolixso.. kubuntu runs well with 512 ram?05:06
EndlerWell, Ubuntu releases are timed to snyc with gnome releases, so it's always going to work out better timing-wise for ubuntu than kubuntu.05:06
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Shootfastdiabolix: well i have 2gb... but it should run ok05:06
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diabolixhmm.. maybe i will give her gnome.. i can always just download both and let he try the live versions of each.05:08
EndlerIs it official that the RC is going to be skipped and the final released on Thursday?05:08
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diabolixShaddox, reinstall the kernel?05:08
diabolixShootfast, ^^05:08
Shootfastdoesnt work05:08
Shaddoxdiabolix: I have no idea what that means.05:08
bullgard4Shootfast: I still do not understand you: The icon in the top right corner is the windows selector. When pressing on it, Yelp will open and tell me something about 'Windows Selector Applet' but not about gnome-volume-manager05:09
diabolixoh thats right.. ubuntu makes initrd at install time..05:09
Shootfastbullgard4: can you see the volume icon in the top right? right click that05:09
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Dr_willisdiabolix,  you can install gnome, and kde, and xfce all on the same box and just try them all :)05:09
bullgard4Shootfast: How does it look like?05:09
Shootfastbullgard4: like a speaker with sound waves comming out05:10
bullgard4Shootfast: Yes! Excuse me. I've found it. I'll press on it.05:10
diabolixDr_willis, yeah.. but she kind of needs some simplicity.05:10
Shootfastbullgard4: cool05:10
diabolixshell end up getting confused.05:11
Shootfastdiabolix: give her a command prompt, nothing simpler05:11
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diabolixshe knows how to connect to a wifi network on my slackware box using nothing but cli, i wouldn't put it past her.05:11
misfit_toybecause all women know about their cli05:12
Dr_williswhen in doubt - educate.05:12
diabolixits not that she's too dumb to use linux, its that shell get frustraited if it takes too much time.05:12
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diabolixwich is completely understandable. i was a slackware user for a long time, but edgy converted me. even tho i still get angry that headers aren't installed by default.05:12
misfit_toydiabolix, my wife's new laptop has freaking vista on it, and she wants *me* to help her, hell, it looks like kde to me.05:13
Shootfasti'm trying to get into slackware, but i just havnt had the time recently05:13
RAOFShootfast: If you can't boot, fire up a LiveCD (or, better yet, an AlternateCD - it's got a "repair existing instalation"), chroot into your existing system and then fix it.)05:13
Dr_willisheh.. 'come show me how to use this program honey, that you have NEVER seen befor! and be quick about it!'05:13
EndlerI don't understand why so many people just use the default desktops arrangements, and use two bars with menus on top in gnome and single bar on bottom for KDE.  Sheesh.  That's just each's default, not a reason to pick one or the other.  It takes all of a few minutes to customize ether one to whatever layout you like.  Most people sure aren't very adventurous!05:13
diabolixslackware is nice. i use it on my desktop, but i would never want to take the time to set up a laptop in slackware again.05:14
ShootfastROAF: thanks man, where abouts is repair existing installation?05:14
Jordan_UDoes Feisty use devicescape ?05:14
Dr_willisi wish more of the disrtos would use the default/vanilla Kde or gnome setuop. that way all the different distros would be easier to  learn. :) well learn the basics of the desktop i guess.05:14
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diabolixlike slackware.. doesn't even ship with a slackware icon or splash screen, everything is vanilla.05:15
Dr_willisMoving the wife from a Mandrake, to a ubuntu box.. shouldnt mean she needs to relearn where all the kde/gnome/whatever icons are now at.05:15
crimsunJordan_U: for as much as possible, yes.05:15
bullgard4Shootfast: The icon shaped as a loudspeaker symbol according to Synaptic Synaptic: "enables you to control the sound volume on your system." But I did ask for a description of gnome-volume-manager. gnome-volume-manager has a different function: It allows to set settings of removable media.05:15
crimsunJordan_U: GIT-SHA 4d0fb64df98a9e21644525615df34ab2056eb56905:15
Jordan_Ucrimsun, Does that mean that it uses the new broadcom drivers that I have heard are much better?05:16
RAOFShootfast: If you boot from the AlternateCD, there's a boot option "repair existing..." which will boot up, then ask you which partition you'd like to chroot into.  From there, you just want to do whatever to fix your system (probably just an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade)05:16
diabolixwhat kernel does feisty ship with?05:16
crimsunJordan_U: no. It has been merged but likely won't appear until a post-release feisty-updates kernel upload.05:16
Shootfastthats awesome, thanks alot RAOF05:16
crimsundiabolix: 2.6.20.point release + patches05:16
bullgard4diabolix: 2.6.20-15-generic usually.05:17
Jordan_Ucrimsun, So would something like that actually added after release or would it just be in backports / Gutsy?05:17
diabolixdoes anyone happen to know if the rtl818x wireless driver made it in again? its in edgy, and i need it for my laptop.05:17
nomasteryodathat is a ralink chipset is it not?05:18
EndlerI prefer distro don't do too much customizing of the layout either, because I do it myself anyway, and it's quicker starting from a more standard base.  I especially don't like the way Kubuntu screws around with Konqueror and tries to dumb it down.05:18
diabolixnomasteryoda, yeah.05:18
Shootfastwell guys gotta go, great talking to you all, thanks for the help05:18
crimsunJordan_U: you might want to reread what I typed. :)05:18
nomasteryodadiabolix, i would think it is in the packages...05:18
ShaddoxHi everyone. How do I get sound working in Enemy Territory?05:18
nomasteryodabut looking might help05:19
Jordan_Ucrimsun, No, I just don't understand what you typed :)05:19
diabolixnomasteryoda, it shiped with an edgy kernel update that nobody seems to know about.05:19
nomasteryodaShaddox, alsamixer in a console to see what is muted05:19
diabolixwhere would i be able to find that information?05:19
ShaddoxThe windows version in WINE works, but the linux build has no sound.05:19
nomasteryodadiabolix, open a terminal and type that command as user05:19
Dr_willisHmm.. darn clock is showing time in 24 hr format still..05:20
Shaddoxnomasteryoda: What is all this?05:20
crimsunJordan_U: the new bcm43xx driver has been merged in our feisty fit tree. It will not be available in the feisty release. It /may/ ship as in a feisty-updates kernel upload.05:20
crimsunJordan_U: feisty fit -> feisty git05:20
misfit_toyDr_willis, mine did that for 2 days after upgrading from edgy then one day fixed itself.05:21
diabolixnomasteryoda, what comand?05:21
Dr_willismisfit_toy,  heh - i never upgraded.. clean install..05:21
Jordan_Ucrimsun, What is Feisty-updates exactly?05:21
crimsunJordan_U: updates for feisty.05:21
Dr_willismisfit_toy,  i still think the clock should DEFAULT to 12hr/am/pm format. :)05:21
diabolixnomasteryoda, its not a sound card, its a wireless card.05:21
Shaddoxnomasteryoda: I opened alsamixer, but have no idea what any of this is. ^^05:21
Dr_willis'for people' heh heh05:21
nomasteryodaoh, ... thought you asked about sound05:21
Jordan_Ucrimsun, So it will be available in an update?05:21
nomasteryodasorry that was Shaddox05:22
misfit_toyDr_willis, me too, but I have coworkers that would disagree, weird.05:22
crimsunJordan_U: if feisty-updates is a repository containing updates for feisty...05:22
diabolixno. i was wandering if the rtl818x wifi driver made its way into feisty.05:22
nomasteryodaShaddox, use cursor keys to navigate around and raise levels ... anything with MM is muted05:22
Shaddoxnomasteryoda: What is supposed to be unmuted for a game that uses the OSS sound codec to work?05:22
Dr_willismisfit_toy,  well the ubuntu mantra is linux for 'people' :)  of course i think the clock 'should' see that you changed the time format and auto-change to it.. not have to be restarted (in kde at least)  not sur eif gnome does it that way or not05:22
Jordan_Ucrimsun, Please try not to be condescending05:22
Shaddoxnomasteryoda: I installed alsa-oss and use the "aoss et" command to launch my game.05:22
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crimsunJordan_U: I'm not05:23
crimsunJordan_U: I've explain it three times; I'm not sure if it can be any clearer05:23
EndlerAre Epson's Avasys gpl'd drivers every going to make it in?05:23
crimsunexplained, even05:23
nomasteryodawell i guess i was on the right track05:23
Shaddoxnomasteryoda: I unmuted everything, still no sound.05:23
nomasteryodaand raised levels up?05:23
misfit_toyDr_willis, in gnome the time change thing occurs realtime when you change it.05:23
AngryElfanyon ehere using lirc + mplayer?05:24
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Dr_willismisfit_toy,  yea. :)  of course I have a clock on the wall.. so why do i need one in the taskbar.05:24
nomasteryodaShaddox, if you are typing that command, i think a "-d" will do debug05:24
crimsunShaddox: aoss rarely works with quake3-based games.05:24
misfit_toyDr_willis, heh05:24
nomasteryodawait, do you have another player running... amarok?05:24
diabolixcan someone running feisty do "modprobe r818x" and tell me if the module is found?05:24
stdinmisfit_toy: tried keytouch ?05:24
crimsunShaddox: it's caused by the particular method in which the audio engine handles buffering05:24
misfit_toystdin, uh uh05:25
diabolixi won't upgrade if my wireless driver isn't in it.05:25
misfit_toystdin, aptable?05:25
ubotuKeyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net05:25
stdin!info keytouch05:25
Dr_williswillis@kubuntu:/media$ locate r818x05:25
ubotukeytouch: A program to configure the extra function keys of the keyboard. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.99+2.3.0beta4-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 419 kB, installed size 1888 kB05:25
Shaddoxcrimsun: Then how do I get my sound working?05:25
crimsunShaddox: you're better off just using alsa's oss emulation by itself05:25
stdinmisfit_toy: yeah05:25
nomasteryodanot found diabolix ....05:25
cabajgtrRAOF, if you're back, I'm still having trouble with my NVIDIA-GLX, now I have api mismatch, an old Kernel-module05:25
nomasteryodahang on05:25
crimsunShaddox: well, it largely depends if your sound hardware supports mmap05:25
misfit_toystdin, I have been looking for a while for something like that as the gnome shortcuts don't work in feisty, at least not all of them, let me give it a shot.05:25
Shaddoxcrimsun: How do I find out?05:25
crimsunShaddox: do you get any errors about mmap when you start ET?05:26
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Shaddoxcrimsun: I get no errors, the game starts up and runs well, except for the fact that there's no sound at all anymore. ^^05:26
stdinmisfit_toy: you can use keytouch-editor to assign function to the keys too (for ones that aren't working with keytouch), it's how I got mine working05:26
nomasteryodadiabolix, is that a pcmcia card or what?05:26
Jordan_Ucrimsun, I asked if it was gong to be added in an update because I thought that packages were frozen and that only bug fixes were released after Feisty is Final, you have not made it clear weather Fesity-updates is a repository similar to backports or if you are just referring to normal updates to main.05:26
cabajgtrAnybody been able to clear out old nvidia kernel module, to get a new one installed?05:26
misfit_toystdin, very cool, going to play with it now, thank you!05:27
philiptorrent for the warez pre-release 0-day OEM version of feisty, anyone?05:27
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diabolixnomasteryoda, its a minipci.05:27
philipforgot, RTM too05:27
diabolixi might have to use ndiswrapper.05:27
Shaddoxphilip: I wouldn't trust it. If they haven't released it officially, it's most likely not going to work, or is some form of spyware/adware.05:27
nomasteryodadiabolix, well in that case, could you not just order a nice intel one for about $22 US?05:27
nomasteryodajust a thought05:28
nomasteryodathat is what i have in my other laptop05:28
Dr_willisim using the beta.. when its officially released.. apt-get update/upgrade.. and poof its there. :)05:28
EndlerIt's good timing for the Windows migration utility.  Just about now a lot of people are finding they can't, or just don't want to upgrade to Vista.  Exactly how much does it migrate beyond browser bookmarks?05:28
crimsunJordan_U: the packages are frozen. Updates are not restricted to bugfixes; it depends how invasive - and on the magnitude - of the changes. feisty-updates is for small, non-invasive fixes. feisty-backports is not restricted to small bugfixes. Only feisty-updates is supported. feisty-backports is completely your problem if it hoses something.05:28
diabolixits built in to my laptop, the bios won't boot if i replace it.05:28
nomasteryodabut looks like tons of folks have crashes witht hat card05:28
Shaddoxcrimsun: The game starts fine, just no sound.05:28
nomasteryodaminipci is plugin05:28
Jordan_Ucrimsun, Thank you05:28
Shaddoxcrimsun: I don't even get ping errors, which is unusual.05:28
philipDr_willis, I'm on feisty here since Jan too, too many settings not working right now, I need a fresh install05:28
fulat2khi folks, where's the checkbox to enable compiz in feisty?05:28
diabolixnomasteryoda, right. but my bios shits on me when i swap it out.05:29
nomasteryodathats nuts..this dell boots with it... and its not a dell part... weird..05:29
diabolixthats actually common in laptops.05:29
nomasteryodai understand05:29
philipby the way, is the network-manager work out of the box now? mine is still broken05:29
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nomasteryodatoo bad though... cause i have a ralink card in my server wireless media box05:29
nomasteryodaoh well, back to debian for that box05:30
diabolixeh.. i can't complain about a laptop that was $400 US when new.05:30
diabolixand i got everything to work in linux.. so.. not a bad buy.05:30
nomasteryodamine was gift... old hand-me-down that i had to hack to get soundworking..05:30
nomasteryodaubuntu is nice on it05:30
diabolixmine will be fine until dell starts shipping with ubuntu preinstalled05:31
diabolixubuntu is just plain nice..05:31
nomasteryodadiabolix, wait05:31
nomasteryodait is in feisty05:31
Shaddoxyeah my only problem is my Q3 engine sound X_x05:31
diabolixoh rly?05:31
nomasteryodadang...wrong terminal05:31
nomasteryodai had my mythtv term open by mistake05:31
nomasteryodahang on05:31
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nomasteryodaloaded up sweet... dmesg reports all is well05:32
diabolixsweet. now i will upgrade. i just need to back up my mp3s. i've been meaning to put them all on my ps3 anyways.05:32
philipshould I just grab the 4-15 image or just wait til the 19th?05:32
Endlernotebooks actually make good home linux servers when they get old, because they don't impact the electricity bill much, the slowness of notebook hard drives doesn't really matter much for a home server.05:32
diabolixand my ps3 lets my get them back off of it. thats awsome to me.05:32
diabolixwait for what?05:32
nomasteryodaoh, that was for philip05:33
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diabolixgood. now i will upgrade.05:33
nomasteryodano, looks like loads good05:33
bullgard4Is there an instruction for use or summarizing overview of gnome-volume-manager? I did google but could not find one.05:33
nomasteryodausing the .15 kernel05:33
EndlerThey make especially good servers when the screen dies and they are useless for anything else :)05:33
|Pollywog|I am having trouble with nvidia riva fb, I need to disable it so that I can install nvidia-glx05:33
crimsunbullgard4: g-v-m manages mass storage and other volumes05:34
diabolixnomasteryoda, whats uname -r say?05:34
nomasteryoda2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP05:34
nomasteryodathat's mine05:34
diabolixawsome to the max.05:34
philipcan I wipe all directories except /home, then reinstall and /home would be untouched?05:34
bullgard4crimsun: Where is a more verbose description of it?05:34
bur[n] erphilip: no05:34
diabolixalright.. off to do homework.05:34
diabolixthanks all.05:34
bur[n] erphilip: only if /home is a different partition05:35
nomasteryodaer, all distros I know of wipe directories.... needs to be a separate partition05:35
crimsunbullgard4: apt-cache show gnome-volume-manager05:35
philipbur[n] er, if I choose not to reformat it, it should work right?05:35
EndlerIt's best if you keep /home as it's own partition--then when you upgrade you can wipe out the whole root partition without worry.05:35
bur[n] erphilip: i don't think so05:35
Jordan_Uphilip, I may be wrong but I think that the migration assistant can transfer your home folder, but you should put /home on it's own partition anyway05:36
bur[n] erJordan_U: i think you're wrong ;)05:36
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bullgard4crimsun: Thank you.05:36
nomasteryodaphilip, there are issues with settings from gnome, kde that can dork up a new installl... i make a new user copy over data i need... backup to extra hd before starting the install05:36
philipI never know how much space to allocate for root (everything except /home) so I just leave /home inside root05:37
PollywogI need to disable rivafb to get nvidia to work, but editing the kernel .config and recompiling did not do the trick05:37
Endler+ if you load multiple disro into different partitions, you can still have them all use the same /home partition.  Just make sure you choose a different home folder name for each distro.05:37
Pollywogdoesn't commenting out a module and then running 'make oldconfig' work anymore?05:38
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crdlbPollywog, you have a riva 128?05:38
Pollywogno I have geforce05:38
Dr_willisive had some issues in the past with sharing /home with differnt disrtos.05:38
PollywogI need that riva thing disabled05:38
bur[n] erphilip: i have xfce + kde +ubuntu and have partitioned off 10 gigs for /05:38
crdlbPollywog, then why are you having a problem with rivafb?05:38
nomasteryodaphilip, good rule of thumb... 6gb for root is ok if you put var in another partition... and 15gb for root if you leave var in root and want to install lots of extra packages05:39
Pollywogdunno I have never had a problem until now05:39
nomasteryodabut, ymmv05:39
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bur[n] erwhy does var matter?05:39
EndlerWhat issues?  You can have big issues if you try to you the same home folder.  Otherwise, I can't think of any.05:39
nomasteryodai have gnome, fluxbox, kde, xfce, blackbox, ... etc all in 15gb for root05:39
PollywogI can't compile nvidia drivers05:39
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hooraytheres a website where u can dl packages, i forgot the name, anyone know what im talking about?05:40
bur[n] erhooray: packages.ubuntu.com05:40
Pollywogsays failed rivafb sanity check05:40
hooraya different site than that one05:40
bur[n] erhooray: cnr?05:41
crdlbPollywog, compile?05:41
hoorayi dled deluge from it05:41
PollywogI guess I could try to compile a 2.6.17 kernel for feisty05:41
Pollywogoh wait05:41
hooraylol not that short05:41
PollywogI can't get nvidia to work in feisty let's just put it that way05:41
hoorayi think it has get in the name05:41
crdlbPollywog, have you tried nvidia-glx(-new) ?05:42
Pollywogapt-get install nvidia-glx complains about my kernel05:42
Pollywogno I have not05:42
nomasteryodaPollywog,what kernel do you have?...05:42
philipI'm thinking they are going to release 4-15 as 4-19 :/ hasn't been updated daily since 4-1505:42
Pollywoginstalled feisty today05:42
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nomasteryodauname -a05:42
Jordan_Uhooray, "As of Feisty, Deluge is in Ubuntu's universe repository. DO NOT INSTALL THIS VERSION" http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Downloads05:42
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nomasteryodaand updated and rebooted? Pollywog05:43
Pollywognomasteryoda: yes05:43
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)05:43
Pollywogoh yes that new one seems to be the correct one05:43
Pollywogthanks people :)05:43
nomasteryodapost the error to that05:43
hoorayweird thing, deluge isnt in regular synaptic, only in add/remove programs05:44
hooraybut i cant use deluge anyways05:44
bur[n] erhooray: it was recently taken out... check launchpad or something05:44
bur[n] erhooray: you can't?05:44
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crdlbhooray, what happens if you: sudo apt-get install deluge-torrent ?05:44
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hoorayit crashes, im on xfce4, dunno if it install necc dependencies correctly05:45
Pollywogthe feisty script failed due to an error in Samba, but I was unable to report the bug due to a malfunction in the bug reporting system05:45
bur[n] erhooray:  http://deluge-torrent.org/downloads/deb/  Use that repository :)  it has 0.505:45
shirishcrdlb: supposedly 0.4 is not anymore in the archives, so you get 0.5 probably05:45
hoorayE: Package deluge-torrent has no installation candidate05:45
Pollywogmy other machine does not have samba so did not experience the same problem05:45
hoorayE: Couldn't find package deluge05:45
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EndlerThe one problem you can have with sharing a /home partition is that during install, some distros just assume that you want your home folder to be the same as your username, and you need to have a different home folder for each distro.  To be safe, it is best to just choose a different username for each install and let it create that matching home folder.  Then, after install is finished, go back and change the username to the regular05:46
Endlerone you always use. The home folder will remain the same though, so you will end up with the same username for each distro, but a different home folder.05:46
shirishso download the deb that bur[n] er is doing05:46
nomasteryodafeisty script for what Pollywog ?05:46
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nomasteryoda... failures are not an option... =D05:46
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Pollywognomasteryoda: the upgrade script for edgy05:47
Pollywogedgy to feisty05:47
shirishguys I am trying to access the changelog in /usr/share/doc/aptoncd/05:47
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nomasteryodawell, that is not smart ... but that is my humble opinion... apt-get update, apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade works for me...05:47
crdlbPollywog, you mean the update-manager -d thing?05:48
nomasteryodai've learned to love the console05:48
shirishdoing a gedit  /usr/share/doc/aptoncd/changelog.Debian.gz I get a binary file thing? I can't open that file, is there some file through which I can see the binary file in proper way05:48
Pollywogcrdlb: I don't know I used the procedure in the topic, for kubuntu05:48
fqh Is kerneljanitors.org available now? I can't access it.05:49
nomasteryodanow if someone would tell me why my battlestar: beyond the redline game will not work... oh, wait it was as script that installed it .. doh05:49
crdlboh kubuntu doesn't have the update-manager05:49
Jordan_Unomasteryoda, That is NOT the correct way and NOT the same as update-manager, at least in Dapper -> Edgy just dist-upgrading left many people with a very broken install.05:49
Pollywogworked on one machine that does not run samba but not on the one that has samba05:49
EndlerIf you have make sure your main user ID is assigned the same UID in all distros, then you will be able to acces all you data from all your distros easily from home no matter which distro you boot from.05:49
PollywogI ddid not use the update-manager05:50
PollywogI used the procedure specified for kubuntu that included a python script05:50
nomasteryodathat is what i've heard, but i ran apt-get update, upgrade,dist... about 4 times... Pollywog might want to run those commands to see if he gets any success... if ubuntu is getting away from debian's roots of apt-get dist-upgrade, maybe it's time to move on05:50
nomasteryodasorry, gutsy leaves me wanting debian  ...05:51
Jordan_Unomasteryoda, "Manual command-line upgrade (not recommended)05:51
Jordan_UPlease note - this method is less reliable. If you use this method, you MUST be prepared to fix problems manually, such as packages being unexpectedly removed, apt crashing unexpectedly, etc. Using Update Manager (see above) is likely to be much less problematic. " from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades05:51
EndlerI installed debian 4.0 on a system just a few days ago, and everything went flawlessly.05:52
nomasteryodalike i said ... ymmv and imho .. to clairfy my statements...05:52
EndlerIt will age quickly though;  that's the problem.05:52
nomasteryodabeen using linux since 1998... and want to help out the best way possible05:52
nomasteryodathe update will be recommended for most folks05:53
nomasteryodamanager that is05:53
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bur[n] ernomasteryoda: i'm pretty sure apt isn't going anywhere anytime soon05:53
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nomasteryodaor whew, i needed that05:54
shirishguys how I can unzip a .gz without disturbing the archive, it should just extract but leave the .gz alone05:54
crdlbshirish, gunzip ?05:54
EndlerHow much more has Feisty been optimized to make use of Upstart for quick boot times?05:54
crdlbshirish, or do you mean the opposite?05:55
dystopianrayshirish: zcat blah.gz > blah05:55
dystopianrayEndler: it's still mostly sysv init scripts afaik05:55
dystopianrayshirish: or gunzip -c blah.gz > blah05:56
nomasteryodaEndler, good...05:56
nomasteryodai have all 3 debian dvds .. and am torrent'n them back05:56
shirishdystopianray: the archive is already there, I just want to extract it without disturbing the archie05:56
dystopianrayshirish: that's what i'm telling you how to do05:57
EndlerHmm.  I thought they just kind of wanted to get it in there for Edgy, and then get to work on actually implement it next go round.05:57
shirishok cool05:58
dystopianrayshirish: both of those commands decompress to stdout and then redirect the output to a new file05:58
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shirishdystopianray: both of the commands somehow don't work, i am in /usr/share/doc/aptoncd & trying to decompress the changelog.Debian.gz without success06:00
shirishdystopianray: I used the sudo before06:00
dystopianrayshirish: you need to redirect to somewhere you have permission to write to06:01
dystopianrayshirish: if you just want to read the changelog use less, it can read gziped files06:02
dystopianrayshirish: less changelog.Debian.gz06:02
cabajgtrI have an old NVIDIA kernel 7184 that I cant seem to uninstall, and it is conflicting with nvidia-glx. can someone help?06:02
shirishdystopianray: I already tried that, it says the file is a binary file06:02
shirishdystopianray: and then gives an error output06:02
shirishdystopianray: I mean the gedit gives some error output06:02
dystopianrayshirish: don't use gedit, use less06:02
shirishdystopianray: using less with changelog.Debian.gz gives me lot of things but no english06:03
dystopianrayshirish: well do $ zcat blah.gz > ~/blah06:04
dystopianrayshirish: and read the result out of your home dir06:04
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ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)06:04
shirishdystopianray: thanx was able to do that :)06:04
dystopianrayshirish: there must be something wrong with your less, or wrong with how your'e using it, it reads gziped files without issue here06:05
shirishdystopianray: for most of the changelog.Debian.gz it reads without issues, with some there is an issue I haven't understood why I use the same thing06:05
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shirishdystopianray: 'less' I mean06:05
PollywogI upgraded my kernel but I am not sure it will boot06:05
crdlbcabajgtr, you never used the manual installer from nvidia.com ?06:06
shirishPollywog: wise words, always have more than one kernel :)06:06
nomasteryodaPollywog, it should be a newer kernel than .306:06
PollywogI have more than one06:06
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EndlerIf you think there is something up with less, why not try most?06:06
crdlbbecause less is more :)06:06
Pollywog.3 seems to be the newest06:06
shirishnomasteryoda: lol, somehow I have found the 2.6.20-12 to be the most stable one so far atleast on my machine06:06
Pollywogbut why are the sources .3 if there is a stock kernel newer than that?06:07
Pollywogthe stock kernel would not run vmware so I had to compile one06:08
nomasteryodaer, there is a way to do that without compiling kernel....06:08
EndlerAnyone tried virtualbox?06:08
PollywogI ran make prepare-all06:08
nomasteryodabut i'm not sure where i found the solution.... i have vmware workstation here06:08
Pollywogthat was not sufficient06:09
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Pollywogokay here goes the reboot.06:09
Pollywogif it fails I will come back on my laptop06:10
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shirishok guys be back in a while.06:16
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taghas anyone else noticed that save as dialogs like, jerk back and forth?06:25
tagI know the feisty release is in like two days06:25
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constyAnyone purchase a system76 laptop before? If so, anyone know how long it usually takes them to move to a new release of Ubuntu pre-installed?06:26
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dystopianrayconsty: why not install feisty yourself?06:29
bur[n] erconsty: 24 hours06:30
bur[n] erif that06:30
constydystopianray: Oh I could.. but I mean if it's only a day wait I might as well, right?06:30
constybur[n] er: Really?  That quick eh?06:30
nomasteryodadystopianray, i think he's asking because he wants the extra level of support... if they install, then they cover it... right?06:31
RAOFAnd they install a bunch of other cool stuff for you, too.06:31
constywell technically they cover it with feisty anyway once it's released so06:31
nomasteryodacamera support, modem, ...06:31
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nomasteryodaso its a good choice for someone wanting fully supported hardware06:32
constySo I mean if it's usually only 24 hours (that how long it took them to go from dapper to edgey?), then I'll wait.06:32
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constyI have a borked laptop right now anyway, so I definitely need to replace it.06:35
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mon^rchis ther some place I should go to report how happy with the stuff I have instaleed I am?06:38
nomasteryodatell your local newspaper... no, really let them know.... write a letter to the editor on how nice Ubuntu is06:39
nomasteryodaso other folks will say, hey... maybe there is something better than windows for most stuff06:39
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DShepherdso upgrading from edgy to feisty should be saner this time?06:41
torshidowe are having an installfest all over Latin America, this 28th06:41
nomasteryodavery nice06:41
torshidoFlisol 2007: http://www.installfest.info/06:41
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nomasteryodai run into people who I never would think use Linux... and they run... Ubuntu!06:41
torshidodo you think Feisty will be ready on time for this event?06:42
nomasteryodai expect so...06:42
ferret_0567_I'm using GDM. When I click "Log out..." in Kubuntu, it only shows the "Log Out" button06:42
nomasteryodathe package updates keep slowing down to a trickle now06:43
nomasteryodaferret_0567_, have you restarted?06:43
nomasteryodathat is something i've seen too...06:43
nomasteryodausing the update manager....06:43
nomasteryodai think there are some weee buggers with having gdm while running kde06:44
nomasteryodabut that is just my narrow vision...06:44
ferret_0567_And, it worked in Edgy06:44
nomasteryodaits working for me now... but i switched to kdm instead of gdm06:44
seamus7I now triple boot Feisty, Edgy and Vista ... I wonder how long before I can just wipe my Edgy partition and stick with Feisty? Do you think it would be mad to make the full switch now?06:45
dystopianraybloody hell this new kubuntu partitioner is horrible06:45
RAOFseamus7: Yeah, as long as you've got a livecd handy should something absolutely crazy happen.06:45
ferret_0567_Yeah, actually06:46
nomasteryodagood idea06:46
nomasteryodalike wild kernel downgrade, err i mean upgrade06:46
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seamus7RAOF: hmm Feisty is working so nicely that I feel compelled to move to it asap06:47
dystopianrayanyone else with intel graphics noticing that their laptop screen turns on when the mouse is moved, despite the lid being closed?06:47
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nomasteryodaya,  mine does that... but i use the suspend to ram mode now... and its not doing it... =D06:50
nomasteryodathat now works on feisty06:51
dystopianraywell of course the screen isn't going to turn on when the machine is sleeping06:51
nomasteryodamy bluetooth mouse also works... but i had to do a little tweak to the config file to make it stick.. i power down and back up with the mouse . still finds it06:51
nomasteryodaits not a bug, its a feature =/06:52
dystopianraywell it allows the screen to come back to life when the lid is closed and opened06:52
Centaur5Is it a known problem for nvidia drivers to have a problem with Feisty right now?06:52
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dystopianraybut it shouldn't turn the screen on when the lid is closed06:53
RAOFCentaur5: No?  What is your problem?06:53
Centaur5RAOF: Well I just installed nvidia-glx today and xorg.conf has the nvidia driver configured to use but glxgears can't run06:54
RAOFCentaur5: Did you reboot after installing the driver?  *How* did you install the driver?06:54
Centaur5yes, cause I also upgraded to the new kernel through the updates right before06:55
Centaur5Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".06:55
Centaur5Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual06:55
Maithaiare there any known issues with amd64 4000+ on a gigabyte k8nf9 ultra ?06:55
RAOFAnd how did you install the drivers?  With the restricted manager?06:56
Maithaibecause i wasn't able to either start or install ubuntu/kubuntu 5.10 - 7.0406:56
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Centaur5I just looked at the restricted manager and it shows that my nvidia drivers are in use.06:56
RAOFMaithai: It's possible you need to boot with noacpi and friends, because your bios is broken.06:57
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RAOFCentaur5: nvidia-glx, or nvidia-glx-legacy?06:57
binskipy2u2 more days till fiesty06:57
jdrakeIs the release so far on track for tomorrow (or close to)?06:57
Maithaiwhat do you mean with "broken" ?06:57
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RAOFMaithai: As in "it is not standards-compliant, and the kernel doesn't have an explicit work around for it"06:58
Centaur5RAOF: It wasn't the lecagy06:58
Maithaioh okay06:58
Maithaii'll try that one then :)06:58
Maithaibe right back in a few06:58
RAOFCentaur5: Hm, I'm off, but pastebinning your /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be helpful.06:58
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Centaur5okay, I'll do that06:59
Centaur5Who should I have check it out?06:59
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shirishdystopianray: you still around?07:04
dystopianrayshirish: yes07:04
shirishok I'm having trouble finding this terminus font to use in the gnome-terminal, any ideas?07:05
dystopianrayshirish: no, sorry07:05
shirishdystopianray: can u install it07:06
dystopianrayshirish: i don't have access to a feisty machine right now07:06
shirishdystopianray: ah ok what are u on then anyway?07:07
dystopianrayshirish: edgy07:07
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shirishah ok, cool07:07
dystopianrayi am backing up my data before installing feisty07:08
shirishdystopianray: you in the process of upgrading it or studying the options?07:08
HorizonXPanyone know why on bootup, network manager says i'm connected to my university wireless network, but really isn't?07:08
shirishdystopianray: thought so, hopefully it becomes a smooth ride for you.07:08
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dystopianrayI think I will write a patch before installing feisty though07:11
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acidtabsis feisty comming out tommarow?07:13
dystopianrayacidtabs: apparently07:14
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acidtabsjust wondering sigh07:14
Toma-acidtabs: "week of the 19th"07:14
Toma-not at 12am on the 19th :)07:15
Tomcat_If no big bugs are found in the RC candidate... why not? :o07:15
acidtabsok thx for the tip07:15
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sanityxI can't seem to get Feisty to boot at all.07:16
sanityxI just get a black screen after a while.07:16
sanityxi can even eject the cd07:16
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dystopianraysanityx: the livecd locks the cdrom so you can't eject it07:17
sanityxdystopianray, yes. i know that.07:17
sanityxbut i boot off the cd07:17
sanityxand then i hit enter and it starts booting07:17
sanityxand then eventually07:17
sanityxi just get a black screen and the cd light goes off and i can eject it07:17
dystopianraysanityx: at what point does it fail and are there any error messages?07:18
dystopianrayoh you can eject07:18
sanityxThere's an error about a buggy bios. But I can boot 6.10 and 6.06 just fine.07:18
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sanityxAnd other people are reporitng feisty booting fine with the same laptop :-(07:19
mistoneI just got the -15 kernel and now when I pop in my SD card into my intergrated card reader it mounts as read only07:20
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dystopianraymistone: sdhci card reader?07:22
sanityxthis is really fustrating me07:22
HorizonXPanyone know why on bootup, network manager says i'm connected to my university wireless network, but really isn't?07:22
sanityxi know the disk is good too because it boots in vmware07:22
mistonedystopianray:  how do I check?07:22
dystopianrayHorizonXP: are you sure you aren't?07:22
^^kalmHey, i'm finding Feisty unusually slow (compared to Edgy for example)07:22
dystopianraymistone: dmesg | grep -i sdhci should tell you07:22
dystopianray^^kalm: run top and see if any processes are consuming lots of cpu07:23
mistonedystopianray: that returned nothing07:23
HorizonXPdystopianray: positive; i have no IP address, and Firefox doesn't go to my uni's wireless logon page07:23
sanityxoooo theres a new bios for my system07:23
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dystopianraymistone: ok so you must have some other type of card reader07:24
mistoneits scsi not shci07:24
mistoneor whatever you said07:24
mistone scsi 4:0:0:2: Direct-Access     Generic- SD/MMC           1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS07:24
mistoneit worked perfect before07:25
mistoneI dunno exactly when it changed07:25
mistonebut recently07:25
dystopianrayi only have a sdhci reader which i was going to test if you had one07:25
sanityxif i cant get feisty to boot im going to freak07:25
mistoneI think I fail at life07:26
dystopianraymistone: read-only switch was set on the card?07:26
mistonelet me see if I had the lock thing on07:26
mistoneoh btw my cmoputer keeps randomly freezing its either beryl or the low-latency kernel + realtime preemtion module07:27
dystopianraymistone: try to reproduce with a normal kernel07:28
mistoneyea I will test that out07:28
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mistonethat lock thinge was being stoopi07:29
mistoneI fail at life07:29
dystopianrayi wonder if the lock can be detected via software and it could warn you that it is set07:30
mistoneyea in the dmesg it says:07:30
mistonesdd: Write Protect is off07:30
mistoneand sdd: Write Protect is on07:30
mistonethats how I figured it out07:30
dystopianrayi wonder if hal exports that information07:31
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sanityxI can't seem to get fiesty booted. It just goes to a black screen. cd-read light goes off eventually too07:39
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^^kalmsanityx: so it doesnt boot AT ALL... nothing comes up07:41
sanityxI boot off the cd07:41
sanityxI get the menu07:41
dystopianraysanityx: do previous releaes or any other distros boot?07:41
sanityxdystopianray, Yes, 6.10, 6.0607:41
dystopianraysanityx: are there any error messages?07:41
^^kalmsanityx: you may wanna try and reburn the iso07:41
sanityxI have reburned the ISO 3 times now07:41
sanityxi boot off the cd07:41
^^kalmsanityx: ah07:42
dystopianraysanityx: have you verified the md5sum of the iso?07:42
sanityxthen i start the fesisty boot process with the first menu option.07:42
sanityxno. but ive downloaded it twice as well. how likely is it a bad iso07:42
sanityxthe iso boots just fine in vmware07:42
dystopianraysanityx: depends on your burner, md5sum the cd and iso07:42
sanityxmd5sum it even though it boots in vmware?07:43
dystopianraysanityx: does the physical cd boot in vmware?07:43
dystopianraywell do it anyway07:43
sanityxBut it boots.07:43
^^kalmand on a separate subject... how do you check md5sums ? :D (i've never done it before)07:44
dystopianray^^kalm: md5sum /some/file07:44
dystopianraysanityx: which cd you are you using to install?07:44
sanityxthe regular desktop i386 disc07:45
dystopianraysanityx: which one07:45
sanityxthe one they wanted people to test as a possible release candidate07:45
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nomasteryodai recommend the alternate... i had issues with the i386 feisty beta ... but not with the alternate07:45
sanityxim not going to just use the alternate though. if i install with that and then it doesnt boot . . .07:46
nomasteryodano matter the download site , burn speed, ..07:46
nomasteryodathat's weird07:46
^^kalmIm doing just fine with 7.04b (altough i do find it a tad slow)07:46
sanityxalso other people report 7.04 booting just fine on my laptop model.07:46
dystopianray^^kalm: you haven't updated?07:46
sanityxbut my laptop works fine because everything else boots just fine including 6.06 and 6.1007:46
dystopianraysanityx: do they have the same hardware though?07:46
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sanityxpossilby not.07:47
^^kalmdystopianray: im updating right now... half-way through :)07:47
Maithaii cant either install 5.10, 6.06 and 7.0407:47
melarenanyone know the final status with ralink (i.e. rt2500) cards and network manager?  ...are they going to work together or will we have to remove nm?07:47
^^kalmmelaren: i my self use rt61, and as it seems it works just fine with 7.04b :) it was preinsalled and everything (surprise)07:48
melaren^^kalm: nice!07:49
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sanityxgrr at 7.0407:49
Maithai5.10 and 6.06 are just freezing with something looking like a pixel error.. and 7.04 the screen just blacks out and dvd-drive stops working..07:49
^^kalmsanityx: :)07:49
^^kalmMaithai: at what stage?07:50
Maithaiuhm 5.10 and 6.06 showing the status bar while booting the cd07:50
Maithaiand when it should go to desktop07:50
Maithaiit freezes07:50
^^kalmMaithai: You use a laptop?07:50
Maithai7.04 just freezes right after i selected "install or boot from cd"07:50
Maithainope i'm on a desktop computer07:51
^^kalmMaithai: ah07:51
^^kalmMaithai: Sorry, i don't think i can help you much :)07:51
Maithaithanks anyways :)07:51
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^^kalmMaithai: XD07:51
Maithaithats so weird...07:51
Maithaii even tried the acpi stuff etc..07:52
dystopianrayMaithai: what hardware do you have?07:52
Maithaiamd64 4000+07:52
Maithaion a gigabyte k8nf 9 ultra07:52
^^kalmMaithai: its just that.. if yo'd had a laptop, you could have removed all the "unusual" hardware like wifi cards, etc07:52
dystopianrayMaithai: what hardware does that board have?07:52
Maithaiyou mean like pci-cards ?07:53
mistoneI have a amd64 X2 3800 and it works great07:53
mistonebesides it randomly freezing once in a while07:53
dystopianrayMaithai: what ide and sata controllers does it have?07:53
dystopianrayMaithai: is it an nforce board?07:53
Maithainforce 407:53
Maithaithe ultra one07:53
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Maithaii checked md5sum already07:54
Maithaicd seems to be ok07:54
dystopianrayMaithai: what sata and ide controllers does it have?07:54
constyI got the same problem on an old Compaq computer as well.  Though I believe it was because I had < 256MB ram which is probably your problem maybe?  If you're using onboard graphics its important to remember you probably have 192MB ram or less, and the standard install cd wont work.07:54
Maithaii got 1024mb ram here and a pci-express radeon x800 pro07:54
constydamn, guess that's out.07:55
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dystopianrayMaithai: have you tried booting the safe graphics mode?07:55
Maithaifails too07:55
Maithaiat the same step07:55
dystopianrayMaithai: what ide and sata controllers does the board have?07:55
mistonedid you do 64 bit version ?07:55
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Maithaiyes i tried the 64bit07:55
mistoneyea you gotta use that07:55
Maithaiit has some nforce 4 sata and ide controllers07:55
dystopianrayMaithai: find out the specific models07:56
phrizekanyone know if feisty is getting a new default theme?07:56
dystopianraymistone: you don't need to use the 64-bit version07:56
dystopianrayphrizek: whatever it has now is final07:56
mistoneshould anyway07:56
dystopianraymistone: why? it just makes life difficult unless you have a specific reason to use a 64-bit OS07:56
darxmy cpu doesn't scale properly details http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2472453#post2472453 is it possible to load a custom freq_table module and if yes which one and how :-/07:57
^^kalmmistone: especially on Linux07:57
mistoneI thought it signafictanly improved the proframance07:57
dystopianraymistone: no07:58
mistoneI haven't had any troubles07:58
mistoneyou would think it would...07:58
dystopianraymistone: it can potentially increase performance, but in most cases the difference is negligible07:58
mistonethats crazy wierd07:59
dystopianraymistone: why?07:59
mistonewhy do they have 64 bit then07:59
Maithaicause they can make some money with it07:59
dystopianraymistone: becuase it has other benefits07:59
Maithaisame as x207:59
dystopianraymistone: such as being able to use >64GB of ram07:59
sanityxmistone, Because there CAN be benifits.07:59
sanityxActually its >4gb ram07:59
mistone64 gigs of ram08:00
dystopianrayit is 64GB, using PAE08:00
mistonethats only a few years away I guess08:00
dystopianraywhich all modern cpus support08:00
sanityxyes but greater than 4.08:00
Maithaihooray for windows ^^08:00
dystopianraysanityx: modern 32-bit cpus can address up to 64GB of ram using PAE08:00
Maithaithat sucks heaps..08:00
^^kalma bit random08:00
sanityxooo ok08:00
Maithaii dont even want windows..08:00
sanityxJust windows cant. haha.08:00
dystopianraysanityx: windows can08:00
Maithaibut i cant get ubuntu installed on this machine..08:01
sanityxNot according to microsoft. At least not in windows XP08:01
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dystopianraysanityx: it can since windows 2k08:01
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^^kalmMaithai: if it indeed is an issue with Ubuntu as is... switch distro :)08:01
mistoneoh yea another thing that is kinda annoying is I have this headphone jack in the front of my computer that is supposed to mute the regluar sound when something gets plugged into it08:01
mistoneI get sound out the headphone jack it just doesn't mute the speakers08:02
^^kalmMaithai: Ubuntu is great, but if it REALLY doesn't work, why bother? There are other great distros aswell08:02
kbiddfrom the ubuntu website, it says that its being released tomorrow, but there are rumors on #ubuntu that the release has been delayed... can anyone confirm/deny these rumors?08:02
Maithaii really like ubuntu.. i had it running on my old comp..08:02
mistoneI wouldn't use any other distro08:02
mistonewell maybe tweaked out debian08:02
Maithaiand it ran so well.. oh yeah.. and i'm used to it now.. so i would screw debian or stuff maybe..08:02
kbiddmistone, i like debian... running it on my other comp08:03
darxmistone: the settings for mic and speaker are different and can be adjusted accordingly08:03
sanityxon this page08:03
sanityxit says 32 bit windows can only address 4gb08:03
^^kalmdebian isnt that great for a desktop user, is it?08:03
sanityxoh wait. im retarded.08:03
Maithaii dont think so08:03
dystopianraysanityx: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/pae_os.mspx08:03
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RAOFHowever, PAE incurrs a performance penalty.08:04
mistoneI was under the impression if you compile 64 bit stuff it would help proformence08:04
dystopianraymistone: it can, but usually has little difference08:04
mistonewindows is completely useles in 64 bit08:04
RawSewagehow many hours to release08:04
dystopianraymistone: most of 64-bit windows is 32-bit08:05
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RAOFx86-64 *does* improve performance (about 30% on average in A/V stuff, can be much better).08:05
kbiddis the release still tomorrow, or did it get pushed back (rumors on #ubuntu say its released on the 28th now)08:05
mistonedude who cares08:05
Patrick_hey guys, just upgraded a fresh installation of edgy amd64 to feisty amd64 now I cant seem to see my wifi connection?? Im using a laptop08:05
RAOFHowever, since you're not using anywhere *near* the capacity of a modern processor in normal desktop usage, you won't see any real benefit normally.08:05
mistonewutt I play games08:06
sanityxWould there be a benifit in compiling speed?08:06
dystopianraykbidd: any official information you can see in the topic08:06
RAOFsanityx: Yes.08:06
mistonebut those aren't compiled for 64 bit anyway08:06
kbidddystopianray, thanks, just wanted to make sure the topic wasn't just late in getting updated.08:06
RawSewageIs Feisty coming out tomorrow08:07
dystopianrayRawSewage: we don't know, read the topic and you'll know as much as we do08:07
kbiddtopic still says tomorrow, so i guess were good :P08:07
RawSewageit says the week of Apr 1908:07
sanityxhopefully tomorrow it will boot08:07
kbiddas long as its not just a delay in updating the topic08:07
Patrick_can anyone help me get my wifi to work on my laptop08:08
kbiddPatrick_, are there linux drivers for your wifi card?  If not, you will need to use something like ndiswrapper08:08
Patrick_kbidd, how do I check to see what the wifi card is called08:09
kbiddPatrick_, you can look for it in a lspci | less08:09
mistonenetwork manager was messing with my connection08:09
sanityxi need to get a faster intarnets08:10
^^kalmWhat? AS IF Ubuntu 7.04 is coming out tomorrow :P ... i mean i only downloaded the beta and installed it 2 days ago...08:10
mistonehehe interbutt08:10
RawSewagethe RC was cancelled08:10
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sanityx3 megabits just doesn't cut it anymore08:10
mistonemine is 300 kb/s08:10
RawSewagecancelling the RC implies an ontime release08:10
mistonestill on wifi b :P08:10
sanityxmistone, I get about 350 KB/s on 3 megabits08:10
sanityxI'm going to get cable once i move, or FiOS if its availible08:11
mistoneI got cable08:11
mistoneits just my wifi is retarded08:11
sanityxYou only have 2.5 megabits on cable?08:11
sanityxmy gf has cable and she gets like 15 megabits08:11
basvghey all.. I upgraded edgy -> feisty yesterday (smooth install, everything seems to work). When I booted this morning an error flashed bye about /etc/resolv and libc ... but couldn't find anything in /var/log afterwards. Any clues?08:11
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kbiddive got FiOS at home in maryland... its REALLY nice08:11
sanityxabout 1 megabyte per second down08:11
kbiddmiss it here at school08:11
sanityxkbidd, Whats your max downspeed? Like 3 megabytes per second?08:11
^^kalmRawSewage: But i hope there wont be many "important" fixes, etc on the real 7.04, 7.04b is just so cozy08:11
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kbiddsanityx, on FiOS in maryland, yeah... i only have comcast here though, so nowhere near that :(08:12
sanityxkbidd, I live in new york city, where its not so easy to lay fiber.08:12
dystopianrayi have 1.5mbit adsl08:13
sanityxWell, I guess if 7.04 doesn't boot tomorrow, I'll just switch from 6.10 to 6.06 and use that until 7.10 comes out.08:13
sanityxThat way I'll have suppor08:13
^^kalmsanityx: 7.10 huh?08:13
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sanityxgusty gibbon08:13
constyAnyone have a guess what time 7.04 will be available?08:13
^^kalmsanityx: thats gonna take a while08:13
sanityxwhatever version number its gonna have08:13
sanityx^^kalm, not really, another 6 months.08:14
mistoneWho cares exactly what time it will b out08:14
dystopianraysanityx: better yet, file a bug report so devs are aware of your problem08:14
mistonehehe /b/08:14
constymistone: Well obviously I do considering I asked. :)08:14
sanityxdystopianray, Its probably not a bug though. The intarnets say that other ppl with my laptop can boot 7.0408:14
dystopianraysanityx: not booting sounds like a bug to me08:14
sanityxAlthough they might have a sempron, or less ram, or something08:14
sanityxOk well if it doesn't boot tomorrow, I'll file a bug.08:15
dystopianraysanityx: are you using the latest daily livecd? the release probably won't have any changes08:15
sanityxno, but im downloading the latest daily alternate right now08:16
mistoneok this random freezing is getting annoying08:17
mistoneits beryl08:18
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mistonein dmesg I get : [ 2374.318272]  rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz.08:18
mistone * 20008:18
^^kalmberyl, compiz, etc is just plain "eye-candy" and as such, worthless08:18
mistoneberyl is awesome08:18
^^kalmit just looks good...08:19
mistoneits all on the graphics card so  it takes up little resources08:19
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RAOF^^kalm: You obviously don't use "scale" a lot :P08:20
basvgdoes anyone here know a fix for http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272117&highlight=resolv+libc ?08:21
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^^kalm_it went quiet08:22
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mistonehow do I disable suppense mode on my hardrive08:22
mistoneapprently that causes the   rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz. problem08:22
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^^kalm_ah, update requires system restart.... bye08:23
dystopianraymistone: beryl consumes graphics resources and not all graphics cards have much onboard ram08:23
RAOF32Mb of ram seems ample for some people.08:24
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mistonemine has 128 + shared08:25
mistoneits plenty08:25
mistoneand when I want to play games I go to shitdows anyway08:25
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sanityxI have never heard of that operating system.08:28
sanityxWhat is this thing you call "shitdows"?08:28
sanityxAnd where can I procure it?08:28
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ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.08:29
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nizohi all08:30
nizoi need some information about postfix e-mail08:31
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nizocan any one help08:31
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basvghmm, found the problem. /etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc exits with returncode 108:32
mistoneoh my .max-user-freq was set to 64 lol08:32
mistonethat should fix that08:32
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slackernIs it just me that gets the feeling of that 7.04 is faster than 6.10? Can't put my finger on what it is but everything feels snappier, starts quicker etc08:40
RAOFslackern: That'd be the new Gnome release, probably.  Each Gnome release is faster, and uses less memory :)08:41
jmlRAOF: serious?08:41
RAOFjml: Pretty much.  That's been one of the big things with the last couple of Gnome releses - hunting down memory & performance bottlenecs.08:41
mistoneslackern: opening programs should be faster to08:41
RAOFjml: Also, Cairo is getting a lot of performance love.08:42
mistoneit uses that gnu preloader thinge08:42
slackernRAOF, i remember that 5.10 or 5.04 felt quite fast when running Gnome but all of a sudden it started feeling sluggish08:42
jmlRAOF: I had no idea. That's awesome.08:42
RAOFjml: Yeah :)08:42
Jordan_UIs there an equivalent of Edgy's software-properties -e universe / multiverse in Feisty? ( it is very nice for making cut and paste instructions )08:42
slackernRAOF, i mean after going from 5.04/5.10 to the 6.xx releases08:42
mistonealso : " Feisty uses a new linking mechanism called DT_GNU_HASH which speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running prelink."08:43
slackernThat must be it then i guess, KDE and XFCE always felt snappier i must confess but now i can't really say i see any difference any longer.08:43
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sanity_xI find KDE so ugly compared to gnome08:44
slackernI guess the ati drivers are working better now too08:44
RAOFslackern: If you mean the open-source drivers, then *yes*.08:44
dystopianraysanityx: i find gnome to be incredibly ugly compared to kde08:44
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sanity_xKDE looks all jagged to me, not to mention I don't like the general Qt look08:45
dystopianraysanityx: gnome only has one colour scheme, brown08:45
slackernRAOF, im using the restricted packages now since i got a ATi X1950Pro card and the other ones didnt work so good, was a bit sluggish and human colour in movies and such turned to blue :)08:45
sanity_xI like brown,08:45
Jordan_UI love the gnome-look but you can't beat the QT toolkit08:45
RAOFdystopianray: You *are* joking, right?08:45
dystopianrayRAOF: no i'm serious, even when you change the gnome colours it still has a brownness to it08:46
slackernWhat i love about kde is that it has alot of applications and it feels like everything is knitted togheter better.08:46
HorizonXPhow can i manually configure my xorg.conf to use two separate X screens?08:46
HorizonXPbecause my Nvidia-settings doesn't seem to save the config file08:46
dystopianrayRAOF: adn i'm talking about vanilla gnome, not ubuntu's brown theme08:46
RAOFslackern: Really?  I feel exactly the opposite.08:46
RAOFdystopianray: You've tried some crazy themes, then.  My Gnome doesn't have any brown, except for the Ubuntu background.08:47
slackernRAOF, Yes, like kopete and such everything just feels more integrated with the entire desktop or how i should put it08:47
sanity_xeww kopete08:47
sanity_xkopete is like the worst aim client ive ever seen08:47
dystopianraysanityx: aim is the worst im network i ever seen08:47
slackernsanity_x, hehe08:47
sanity_xits SO ugly08:47
dystopianraykopete supports msn and yahoo webcam as well as jingle voice chat over jabber08:48
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sanity_xThats great. Its still ugly.08:48
Jordan_UIs there an equivalent of Edgy's software-properties -e universe / multiverse in Feisty? ( it is very nice for making cut and paste instructions )08:48
RAOFI like kopete's "iChat" like speech bubble theme.08:48
dystopianraynot as ugly as gaim08:48
sanity_xGaim looks great08:48
sanity_xI love gaim08:48
dystopianraygaim is the definition of ugly08:48
sanity_xsure it is.08:48
HorizonXPrunning nvidia-settings in a console08:48
HorizonXPshows that it can't determine valid sync ranges for my laptop's LCD08:49
DarkMageZgaim is truly the definition of ugly... kopete is prittier... but still fails.08:49
sanity_xSure it is.08:49
kbiddis beryl build in in 7.04?08:49
slackernBut im still new to this kde/gnome business, only way that i could use a linux machine before without going crazy was with windowmaker or fluxbox08:49
dystopianrayDarkMageZ: I don't think there are any good multi-network im clients on linux, they're all largely crap08:50
slackernJust being able to browse to another networked machine makes me happy :)08:50
sanity_xi love gaim08:50
sanity_xbesides what does windows have?08:50
sanity_xtrillian? dont make me laugh08:50
slackernI usually use Miranda in windows08:50
sanity_xNow THAT is an ugly client.08:50
sanity_xAnd im speaking of miranda.08:50
sanity_xIts far uglier than either gaim or kopete08:50
DarkMageZdystopianray, gaim is ok. kopete is ok. but they're still ugly08:50
slackernhehe i usually clean it out to the max with black background and green color for online red for offline and orange for dnd and such :)08:51
slackernlooks like an old bbs system :)08:51
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dystopianraykopete and gaim need better jabber support08:52
jmladium is awesome08:55
dystopianraydoes anyone know how ubuntu plans to support hybrid drives?08:55
RAOFProbably by waiting for the kernel to support them?08:55
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dystopianrayRAOF: yes but what then?08:56
RAOFI don't know.  What do you mean by "support"?08:56
dystopianrayhow will ubuntu use the flash component08:56
K`zanAnyone know how to inset a carrage return in a regular expression?08:57
RAOFdystopianray: No idea, but it'll probably be a kernel-level thing.  What is the flash component meant to do, anyway?08:57
dystopianrayRAOF: afaik it's just another place you can put data08:58
dystopianrayRAOF: could be anything from hibernate images to frequently used packages08:58
dystopianrayRAOF: and accessing it won't spin up the drive08:58
RAOFIsn't flash substantially slower than HDD?08:58
dystopianrayRAOF: I don't think so08:59
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RAOFParticularly write speeds?08:59
dystopianrayRAOF: it's not supposed to be frequently written to08:59
RAOFI'm still not entirely sure what you'd want to use it for, though.09:00
RAOFUnless you had a *lot* of it, it's probably too small for a hibernate image.09:01
dystopianrayRAOF: they'er planning on putting 1GB or more on the drives09:01
RAOFOk, so that's a lot :)09:01
dystopianrayRAOF: it's supposed to be faster than the hdd itself, so bootup file could be on it and speed up the boot process09:01
dystopianrayit's part of the upcoming ATA-8 specification09:02
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kalmdystopianray: wow, it certainly seems faster after the update :)09:03
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dystopianraykalm: you updated from the beta?09:03
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basvghmm, after upgrade to feisty my beryl doesn't seem to work anymore... it complains that it couldn't initialise dbus. Anyone seen this before?09:04
^^kalmdystopianray: No, i mean the normal software update09:04
dystopianraybasvg: are you using beryl from the official repos?09:05
dystopianray^^kalm: dist-upgrade?09:05
basvgdystopianray: I think so... but good point, I'll purge it and reinstall, see if that fixes it09:05
dystopianraybasvg: and i mean the official feisty repos, not the beryl-project repos09:05
^^kalmdystopianray: yea i suppose so 0_009:06
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basvgdystopianray: I don't have the beryl repos in the sources.list anymore so that cant be the problem ;) but thanks for the heads up09:06
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RAOFdystopianray: Once the ATA-8 spec is finalised, and supported in the kernel, it seems that it'd be trivial to do whatever you wanted with the flash cache.09:07
dystopianrayRAOF: yes, but i'm curious if ubuntu devs have any plans for it09:08
RAOFProbably not, particularly since it's not available yet :)09:08
RAOFThere are fewer core Ubuntu devs than people think :)09:08
RAOFYou could propose a spec, and go to Spain to talk about it :)09:09
dystopianrayi would only go to spain if somebody funded the trip09:09
basvgok, I installed it again... the error I just had is now gone.. but now I have no window decorations anymore ;)09:10
basvgit does mutter something about glx ... hmmm... time to look at xorg.conf09:11
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dystopianrayi tried that new xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, it is horrible though, crashes X when changing resolution09:12
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Jordan_Ubasvg, Do you have any of the effects like wobbly windows, can you move windows at all?09:13
basvgJordan_U: no, there's no titlebar to grab with the mouse09:14
slackerntime to try feisty on another machine :)09:14
Jordan_Ubasvg, What about alt+dragg?09:15
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basvgJordan_U: that works..09:15
Jordan_Ubasvg, Wobbly?09:16
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basvgI restarted beryl-manager in an xterm so I can see the output. It mutters "beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32" ... and yep, it's wobbly09:16
Jordan_Ubasvg, Then it's probably not an xorg config problem09:16
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Jordan_Ubasvg, What happens when you reload the window decorator from beryl-manager?09:17
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basvgjeah, there's something on ubuntuforums about this... when I reload the decorator then nothing happens... thanks for the help so far, gonna fiddle a bit with xorg.conf09:17
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Jordan_Ubasvg, Again, I doubt that it is an xorg.conf problem09:18
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basvgJordan_U: well, turns it it *did* fix the problem. I had to add two lines to the Screen section of xorg.conf09:21
Jordan_Ubasvg, OK, I guess I was wrong :)09:21
adultswimso how big are the problems with the current 7.04 beta?09:22
dystopianraythe new battery level indicator is great, it has more than 4 levels of granularity this time!09:22
dystopianrayadultswim: the beta is not current, grab one of the daily images09:22
adultswimdystopianray, where are they found?09:23
dystopianrayadultswim: ubuntu or kubuntu?09:23
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dystopianrayadultswim: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/09:24
basvgJordan_U: I can't find the part in the emerald settings manager anymore when I can specify that nice burn-effect when I create/distroy windows... do you know where it is hidden ;) ?09:24
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basvgoh n.m., it's n the bery-settings, not emerald09:24
Jordan_Uadultswim, And ideally there should be very few problems as it is being released tomorrow09:25
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basvgadultswim: I just upgraded yesterday (about 12 hours ago)... things went pretty smoothly. I had 2 minor problems but you're not very likely to run into them09:27
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basvgI must say that the system seems to be more responsive even... mightily impressed09:28
basvgback later => groceries, dishes, food, coffee...09:28
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DVS01feisty is totally kicking ass.. good job guys09:32
dystopianrayDVS01: eh, it's ok09:33
DVS01i can actually use it as a gaming system on my laptop09:33
dystopianrayfor what games?09:33
DVS01so far, doom3 and oblivion09:33
dystopianrayoblivion in wine?09:33
DVS01new version of cedega/wine supports it09:33
DVS01and it actually runs very nice09:33
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DVS01its beyond playable.. its very playable09:34
dystopianraywhich one, cedega or wine?09:34
DVS01i was really surprised09:34
Edulixso feisty is launched today?09:34
dystopianrayi'll be impressed when it runs in wine09:34
dystopianrayEdulix: look at the topic09:34
DVS01well cedega is wine, no?09:34
dystopianrayDVS01: no09:34
DVS01it seems to use wine executable09:34
DVS01i guess they patch it09:34
RAOFIt's a patched wine, yes.09:35
dystopianrayDVS01: cedega is a commercial software which forked from wine years ago09:35
Edulixdystopianray: ok09:35
DVS01ahh.. i heard somewhere that it was just a launcher for wine09:35
RAOFdystopianray: I was under the impression that there was a fair bit of collaboration cedega-wine wise?09:35
JanDMcedega is more focused on making as much games work as possible09:35
DVS01theyre doing a pretty good job =D09:35
dystopianrayRAOF: there is to some degree i think, but nothing significant09:36
DVS01i totally don't miss windows xp at all09:36
RAOFBut now that you mention it, I'm not sure where I got that impression from :)09:36
DVS01which is what this laptop used to be runing09:36
Edulixdystopianray: sound only works for me in 2.6.20-12-generic and previous. in 13 to 15 revisions, I have no sound. it's a snd_hda_intel09:36
dystopianrayEdulix: hda-intel is pretty screwed on feisty09:36
RAOFEdulix: File yourself a bug.  *My* hda-intel works (almost) perfectly09:36
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RAOFEdulix: Particularly if it's a regression, that makes it somewhat easier to fix :)09:37
Edulixoks ;)09:37
EdulixRAOF: not only is it a regressin but I know exactly in which version of the kernel itstoped to work09:37
RAOFAlternatively, if he hasn't been exhausted by the masses trying to fix their hda-intel, crimsun might be able to help.09:37
dystopianrayEdulix: do you know which patch caused the regression?09:38
RAOFEdulix: Which makes it even easier, they just need to look at the one version difference.09:38
Edulixdystopianray: nop09:38
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Edulixhehe well now I have to go to class, so I'll file it later09:38
Edulixsee you then!09:38
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slackernwoohooo finally a ubuntu distro booted on this HP machine :)09:39
JanDMcongratulations ;)09:40
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slackernbeen trying to boot a ubuntu disk on that machine since 5.04 and it just hardlocked when booting :)09:42
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knixOh man, I never noticed totem was removed from ubuntu-desktop. What have I been missing!09:43
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JanDMwas totem removed?09:45
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knixI dunno, I may have still had it from edgy09:45
knixBut I was able to uninstall it :)09:46
[miles] morning gentlemen09:47
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Mithrandirhm, there's a spelling error in the join message here.09:55
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mc44Mithrandir: its a known bug :)09:56
Mithrandirwe have a fair bunch of those..09:56
mc44Mithrandir: how are the final images looking?09:57
dystopianraythere is a spelling error when you install samba09:57
Mithrandirmc44: I think they're good.  We're still testing, though.09:58
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Admiral_Chicagoanyone have a problem with nvidia driver not recognizing the correct monitor resolutions?10:01
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mc44Admiral_Chicago: have you tried nvidia-settings10:03
Admiral_Chicagomc44: no, how would I do that10:04
Admiral_Chicagoalt + f2 ; nvidia-settings?10:04
mc44Admiral_Chicago: run sudo nvidia-settings in a terminal10:04
Admiral_Chicagooh that. yes I did10:04
mc44and it didnt give you the right resolution?10:05
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Admiral_Chicagono, it'll create an extended desktop10:06
Admiral_Chicagotrying something...sec10:07
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visik7my sound card doesn't work in feisty while it works on edgy 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)10:08
dystopianrayvisik7: intel-hda is pretty screwed on feisty10:09
RAOFLucky crimsun, *another* hda-intel bug :)10:09
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BadRabbit320exactly WHAT does 'uname -r' refer to or do?10:10
visik7dystopianray: any possible fix before release ?10:10
dystopianrayvisik7: no10:10
xopherWhat have they even changed/updated in intel-hda from edgy?10:10
dystopianrayvisik7: unless you fix it yourself10:11
visik7dystopianray:  ?!??!?!10:11
Tomcat_BadRabbit320: As the man page states "print the kernel release"10:11
visik7dystopianray: this is crazy10:11
dystopianrayvisik7: only release critical fixes will go in before final10:11
Mithrandirvisik7: we're going to fix it in an update.10:11
dystopianrayvisik7: i agree10:11
BadRabbit320ok, thanks; didn't know if it's something requiring input10:12
BadRabbit320is there a way to get/see a list of everything in the man pages?10:13
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dystopianrayBadRabbit320: you want to see a list of every man page?10:14
BadRabbit320yes, that way I 'hope' I won't be asking ???'s that are probably basic to the rest of you10:16
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BadRabbit320yep, a windows convertee...but I'm tryin'10:16
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dystopianrayBadRabbit320: well you can use 'man -k' to search the man pages10:17
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BadRabbit320so how do I change my clock from 24hr format to 12?   tried the settings, applied, ok'd, but still 24hr...10:22
dystopianrayBadRabbit320: try logging out then back in10:23
BadRabbit320Feisty Kubuntu (online upgrade from 6.10 kubuntu)10:23
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dystopianrayBadRabbit320: yes, logout and login10:24
BadRabbit320tried reboot several times, each reboot chking to see if settings stayed10:25
dystopianrayBadRabbit320: don't need to reboot, a logout will do10:25
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dystopianrayBadRabbit320: you change the time format in 'system settings -> country/region & language -> time & dates' apply then logout and login10:25
BadRabbit320ok, but now I hafta wait till time passes the 1200 hr...10:26
BadRabbit320ok, noted and will do that.10:27
dystopianrayBadRabbit320: right click the clock 'show timezone -> configure timezones' select a timezone that would be past 12:00 then middle click the clock10:27
BadRabbit320tg for lying to ur puter...10:27
dystopianrayit doesn't change your computer's timezone, kde's clock can display multiple timezones, middle clicking rotates between the display zones10:28
BadRabbit320Thank God for 'lying to your computer'; (always another way to do something).10:29
dystopianraywhat do you mean 'lying to your computer' ?10:30
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BadRabbit320if something isn't obvious, lie to it.  in this case, tell it I'm in a different tz rather than wait for my tz to pass noon.10:31
neonlinuxhey all, is the release still going to be the 19th?10:32
dystopianrayBadRabbit320: it's lying, kde has the ability to show different timezones10:32
dystopianrayBadRabbit320: i mean 'it's not lying'10:32
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dystopianrayBadRabbit320: it is a feature, not a lie10:32
mc44neonlinux: probably10:32
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twentyafterfourif the release is running late  just modify time zones to stay on schedule10:33
neonlinuxok.. and (sorry for being pedantic but...) is that going to be the 19th est?10:34
mc44neonlinux: it will be when its ready :)10:34
neonlinuxlol.. want to know whether to stay up all night or sleep (i have to build a server the next day)10:34
mc44neonlinux: there is no definitive answer Im afrais10:35
neonlinuxthat and ive (aside from an ati issue) been really impressed with the speed and functionality of the beta10:35
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neonlinuxi skipped edgy, went from dapper to feisty.. its a shame i cant make an analogy between win98 and winxp cause feisty herd5 has been more stable than windows on my machine10:36
Mithrandirneonlinux: I tend to push the release button sometime during the day in my timezone so a) I don't have to work more night shifts than I already do and b) the rest of the distro team and sysadmins don't have to either.10:38
BadRabbit320thanks for the help folks!10:38
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Mithrandir(oh, and my timezone is CEST, so "daytime UTC" is close enough)10:40
neonlinuxMithrandir: lol cool.. i fully understand... just waiting on the edgy of my seat in anticipation... am i a geek or what lol10:40
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mc44Mithrandir: I like to give vague answers in case it all goes horribly wrong :p10:40
neonlinuxhey.. if it doesnt get released on time it can only get better right?10:40
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Mithrandirmc44: realistically, if something comes up within the next 24 hours that causes a real delay, we'll need another week or so because of all the testing needed.10:42
JanDMjust wondering, if the sky does not fall down, is the final going to be exactly like the daily image?10:42
Mithrandirbut otherwise agreed. :-)10:42
Steilwhen i enable desktop effects...i get no window borders....any ideas? (i tried switching between 24bit and 16bit display)10:42
MithrandirJanDM: yes.10:42
JanDMor are there some files setting to 'release mode' or so10:42
mc44Mithrandir: right, But that isnt going to happen :)10:42
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MithrandirJanDM: we have a setting in the cd build scripts which decide if it's branded "Daily Build", "Beta" or just "7.04", that switch was flipped last Friday or Saturday.10:43
mc44Mithrandir: hey, the kernel fun must have taken all the jinxing out :)10:43
Mithrandirmc44: I'm not convinced of that.10:43
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JanDMMithrandir: thanks, so if we are lucky I don't evn have to use rsync :)10:46
MithrandirJanDM: or rather, rsync will run very, very quickly. :-)10:46
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SteilI'm just wondering how to get expose like effects with the desktop effects package with feisty10:54
neonlinuxMithrandir: wouldnt that mean that if i download the daily.. it would be the same as the release?10:54
mc44neonlinux: right10:54
mc44Steil: does clicking in the top right corner do it?10:55
Mithrandirneonlinux: correct.10:55
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neonlinuxand theres no difference between that and what the release is?10:56
mc44assuming all goes well10:56
Steilmc44: nope10:56
dystopianraythat kubuntu partitioner is rather dodgy10:56
mc44Steil: you have compiz running?10:56
mc44Steil: apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager10:56
mc44Steil: then run gnome-compiz-preferences10:56
Mithrandirneonlinux: what mc44 says.  The difference between the last daily before a release and the release itself is that the actual release has been blessed by saying "this is the release"10:57
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neonlinuxahh.. ok... so in the grand scheme of running will the daily update differently in regards to apt sources?10:57
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Steilmc44: thanks :) Is compiz a lot stabler now?10:57
VirhYl3Hi.  I'm trying to get mp3s out of sound juicer... any help?10:57
mc44Steil: it is reasonably stable, yes10:58
JanDMneonlinux: no, it uses the same apt settings10:58
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Mithrandirneonlinux: no, there is no "stable" symlink.  We change the status in a couple of files so update-manager and friends pick it up, but to a large extent it's stable when we stop putting in updates and start putting them in feisty-proposed, feisty-security and feisty-updates.10:58
VirhYl3the info in the forums is wrong, because it doesn't find any of those apt-gets.10:59
neonlinuxok.. now im beginning to understand how all this works :) thanks10:59
neonlinuxmight just start downloading the daily10:59
mc44VirhYl3: which apt-gets?10:59
VirhYl3and bad11:00
mc44VirhYl3: you want gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly11:00
mc44and -bad11:00
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JanDMVirhYl3: just double click on them and let easy codec installation do the hard work?11:00
VirhYl3double click on what?11:01
twentyafterfourVirhYl3: when you can't find a package you can try this command:11:01
twentyafterfourapt-cache search partial-name11:01
JanDMthe mp3 files, so they open in totem11:01
mc44JanDM: he wants to make them, not play them11:01
JanDMmc44: is that another codec? okay11:01
VirhYl3It's really tragic that Juicer doesn't come with this enabled by default.  I mean isn't LAME open source anyway?11:01
mc44JanDM: no, but he has nothinng to click on11:01
mc44VirhYl3: patent issues Im afraid11:02
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dystopianrayis it legal to download and use the restricted codecs packages?11:02
VirhYl3wow, that really sucks.  Because my car stereo won't play ogg.11:02
gerry_anyone can help me to tweaking my pppoe problem?11:02
mc44dystopianray: depending on your location11:02
VirhYl3neither will my cell phone.11:02
dystopianraymc44: what about in the US?11:03
mc44VirhYl3: right, but if you get those packages I said it should work with mp3s11:03
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gerry_ppp0 is up, but i can't connect to inet, weird11:03
VirhYl3i think i found them in synaptic.11:03
gerry_but after restart ppp0, it worked11:03
NixHostgerry_: does the default gw and DNS point in the right direction ?11:03
spikebuse isn't the problem with the restricted codecs, distribution is.11:03
gerry_NixHost, i dont setup default gw11:04
mc44spikeb: I think use is a problem in some locations. but IANAL :s11:04
spikebme either actually :)11:04
gerry_DNS is setup by pppoe itself11:04
dystopianraydoes the restricted codecs download manager make users aware of the possible legal issues?11:05
NixHostYou do not run anything that would overwrite those settings?11:05
VirhYl3huh, well it shows up now, but how do I know I'm getting 128kb?11:05
gerry_Nixhost:  i'm using pppoe11:05
mc44dystopianray: yes11:05
gerry_i have configure pppoe starup at booting time11:06
VirhYl3Is that the default? (also, in case somebody else asks later, I had to close and open Juicer).11:06
NixHostgerry_: I used it before... the main problem for me was that everytime the DHCP sent out a new lease it would overwrite the gateway and dns settings11:06
gerry_NixHost: i'm not using DHCP11:07
gerry_ifconfig eth0
VirhYl3OK, just going to give it a shot, then see what the bit rate is.11:07
gerry_it's fast than DHCP11:07
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mc44VirhYl3: I think its vbr by default11:07
NixHostgerry_: okay, then I come up short..11:07
VirhYl3128?  or 192?11:07
gerry_auto dsl-provider11:08
gerry_iface dsl-provider inet ppp11:08
gerry_pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf11:08
gerry_provider dsl-provider11:08
basvgwheeee! an even faster desktop...11:08
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gerry_NixHost : i can see ppp0 is up,but i can't connect to inet until i restart ppp11:09
gerry_NixHost: every time, i have to "sudo poff -a"  and "pon dsl-provider"11:09
VirhYl3huh, well one song is 4.7 mb, so I guess that is good.11:09
VirhYl3That's about what I want.11:10
gerry_that's it11:10
gerry_any ideas?11:12
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NixHostIs it a random hang or does it hang at the same interval?11:13
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Cheetahcan't wait can't wait till tomorrow :D11:15
dystopianrayat what point does this room become gutsy discussion only?11:15
Cheetahi think, tomorrow :D11:16
gnomefreakdystopianray: it will be a bit11:16
gnomefreakwe might close it for a week or so11:16
mc44well, when gutsy comes out11:16
dystopianrayoh, i don't like hanging out in #ubuntu11:16
mc44gnomefreak: probably not a terrible idea having it as feisty overflow for a bit11:17
gnomefreakadd -offtopic than ;)11:17
gnomefreakmc44: we wont need it11:17
mc44gnomefreak: well we can forward everyone to ubuntu and get the total even higher :)11:17
jhaigI suspect if you enforced gutsy only discussions here, it would become very quiet for a few weeks.11:17
dystopianraywe can talk about simians11:18
mc44\o/ apes!11:18
Cheetahhmm, are desktop effects stable enough to be used in production at home? or are there still annoying (not rare) crashes?11:20
gnomefreakCheetah: i havent heard of any crashes lately11:21
Jordan_UCheetah, I would say that it is reasonably stable, I have had no crashes so far in Feisty with the default compiz / "desktop effects"11:21
dystopianrayCheetah: if they were stable they'd be enabled by default11:21
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gnomefreakdystopianray: it is11:21
Cheetahahh okay. I remember back in alpha days of feisty, there were annoying crashes11:21
gnomefreakwell cant be enabled but installed by default it is11:22
void^i still have the funny bug that i see the desktop twice when zooming in :)11:22
Cheetahdystopianray, I'm talking about "stable enough to be used at home", not "stable enough to let your mom use it" ;)11:22
Cheetahmoms tend to break it all11:22
zdzichuBGI haven't seen compiz crash on my intel graphic11:23
Cheetahhmm okay ;)11:23
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Cheetahsounds good enough me thinks11:23
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VirhYl3I've been really happy with compiz/beryl.11:27
VirhYl3It crashes Urban Terror, but that's about it.11:28
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CheetahOh no ;)11:28
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{uX}l`VampyrCeilwell, my upgrade was almost painless :x11:28
VirhYl3Yeah, you gotta switch to metacity for some hard core games.11:28
{uX}l`VampyrCeilfile system check failed on reboot :o11:28
tapaswhat's the package called containing the xine jack backend on ubuntu?11:29
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{uX}l`VampyrCeilcan someone tell me what went wrong here? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16224/11:32
{uX}l`VampyrCeilSysInfo: Diskspace: 17.98G Free: 10.64G11:33
{uX}l`VampyrCeilit's not finding my 80gig harddrive, /dev/hdb111:33
tapas{uX}l`VampyrCeil: did you do a kernel upgrade lately?11:33
tapasif so, do it again :)11:33
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{uX}l`VampyrCeilSysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.20-15-generic11:33
{uX}l`VampyrCeilthat's not recent?11:33
{uX}l`VampyrCeilerm, current11:33
tapasthere was a broken 2.6.20-15 package for a short time11:34
tapasmaybe you caught that one11:34
dystopianraytapas: how was it broken?11:34
{uX}l`VampyrCeili did the upgrade command in terminal starting about 3 hours ago11:34
tapasdystopianray: by not being able to i.e mount the root device ;)11:34
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tapas{uX}l`VampyrCeil: then that wasn't it :)11:34
{uX}l`VampyrCeili knew i should have waited til the 20th lol11:35
{uX}l`VampyrCeilbut i got impatient :11:35
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{uX}l`VampyrCeilupdate manager says i'm up to date :o is there a way to manually update the kernel?11:36
tapas{uX}l`VampyrCeil: in case it really is an ext2 fs, it might simply be broken though11:36
{uX}l`VampyrCeilit's an ext311:36
_4strO{uX}l`VampyrCeil: ???11:36
tapas{uX}l`VampyrCeil: like i said, if you updated your kernel 3hs ago, then that wasn't it11:36
_4strO{uX}l`VampyrCeil: you have the last one11:36
{uX}l`VampyrCeilwell how do i update it this hour?11:36
mc44{uX}l`VampyrCeil: it looks like a HW problem not a kernel issue11:37
mc44there isnt a newer kernel11:37
tapasor a fs issue :)11:37
{uX}l`VampyrCeilthe HW (if you mean hardware) was working before i upgraded to 7.0411:37
tapas{uX}l`VampyrCeil: can you see the partitions when running fdisk /dev/hdb11:37
mc44tapas: thats what I meant of course :p11:37
tapasand then press p11:37
{uX}l`VampyrCeilisn't that a format command? :o11:37
_4strOwhat is the pb ?11:38
{uX}l`VampyrCeilit's not finding my 80gig hard drive (separate drive, not a partition)11:38
_4strOyou lose HD after upgrading ?11:38
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tapas{uX}l`VampyrCeil: do you want to waste our time?11:38
{uX}l`VampyrCeilno -_-11:38
_4strO{uX}l`VampyrCeil: sudo fdisk -l11:39
{uX}l`VampyrCeilUnable to open /dev/hdb11:39
_4strO{uX}l`VampyrCeil: you see it there ?11:39
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{uX}l`VampyrCeilo_O i see /dev/sda stuff11:39
{uX}l`VampyrCeiland /dev/sdb is there, yeah11:39
_4strOhere it is ...11:39
dystopianray{uX}l`VampyrCeil: ah, your hdd is probably /dev/sd* now, due to the libata change11:39
{uX}l`VampyrCeilDisk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes11:39
{uX}l`VampyrCeilthat's it11:39
{uX}l`VampyrCeilso what, i gotta change... /etc/fstab was it?11:40
_4strO{uX}l`VampyrCeil: it's just unmounted11:40
tapas{uX}l`VampyrCeil: right11:40
{uX}l`VampyrCeilcos it was /dev/hdb before upgrading, not /dev/sdb11:40
_4strO{uX}l`VampyrCeil: cat /etc/fstab ?11:40
dystopianray{uX}l`VampyrCeil: you should use the UUID in fstab11:40
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{uX}l`VampyrCeilthe what?11:41
dystopianray{uX}l`VampyrCeil: universally unique identifier11:41
_4strO{uX}l`VampyrCeil: that's the reason why in fstab know they use UUID11:41
_4strOnot even /dev/sd*11:41
{uX}l`VampyrCeiloh you mean like that long number below # /dev/hda111:41
stefgand a UUID is neede as boot argument as well in menu.lst11:41
dystopianray{uX}l`VampyrCeil: uniquely identifies the parition regardless of what device it has11:41
{uX}l`VampyrCeil# /dev/hda111:41
{uX}l`VampyrCeilUUID=e78d262f-5a2e-4864-9c41-1d1c9c6d5d78 /11:41
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_4strOit refere the unik id of your HD11:42
[miles] needs to do the same11:42
stefgsudo vol_id11:42
Mithrandiruse vol_id -u /dev/sdb1 to get the UUID for it.11:42
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coz_I have a package in auto update,  xserver-xorg-video-ati, that insists on installing and I don't need it...is there a way to prevent this package from installing and showin gup again?11:43
{uX}l`VampyrCeiland just replace /dev/hdb1 with UUID="that number"?11:43
dystopianraycoz_: why don't you want it?11:43
coz_dystopianray, I have nvidia and I don't need this insatlled on the system11:43
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=== stefg loathes this uuid - stuff. can't we just use labels, if the devices are constantly swapping between s/hda... the whole backup policy is rendered useless by this
tapasso is the jack backend for xine hidden in some package?11:44
{uX}l`VampyrCeil# /dev/sdb111:44
{uX}l`VampyrCeilUUID=c8dd23f5-8381-416b-b387-7cdfacf22af0       /media/zen      ext3    default$11:44
{uX}l`VampyrCeilthat look right?11:44
dystopianraygnomefreak: do you mean -25.27 in the topic?11:44
_4strOcoz_: then remove the old version you have of this package11:44
Mithrandirstefg: labels can easily crash for people dual-booting.11:44
coz__4strO, I don't hava an old version11:44
{uX}l`VampyrCeilon the other side of the $ is just 1 111:44
coz_as far as I know11:45
dystopianraygnomefreak: i mean, -15.2711:45
coz__4strO, and if there is anold version it will also remove ubunti desktop as well11:45
gnomefreakdystopianray: no i mean 2.6.20-15.25 is being worked on and test kernels for .26 are in topic in #ubuntu-kerne;11:45
dystopianraygnomefreak: but -15.27 is already out11:45
gnomefreak.27 doesnt exist11:45
dystopianraygnomefreak: yes it does11:45
gnomefreakit is?11:45
stefgMithrandir: and waht happens if you just tar your root partition up, reformat and restore? Bump! Same shit as in windoze, different heap :-o11:45
mc44gnomefreak: its what im running :)11:46
dystopianraygnomefreak: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-source-2.6.20_2.6.20-15.27/changelog11:46
gnomefreakhold on a sec11:46
Mithrandirstefg: I wasn't saying it was without problems.11:46
dystopianraygnomefreak: it fixes the pata_amd issue11:46
dystopianraygnomefreak: sort of anyway11:46
Mithrandirgnomefreak: thanks; topic on #u-k fixed.11:46
gnomefreaki pulled that from -kernel11:46
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gnomefreakMithrandir: ty11:46
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mc44gnomefreak: had me worried there dude11:46
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{uX}l`VampyrCeiloh, and just a question, but why does 7.04 have stuff on the desktop? :x11:48
{uX}l`VampyrCeili don't remember 6.10 having that stuff on install11:48
dystopianray{uX}l`VampyrCeil: what is it?11:48
stefgMithrandir: we'd need some plausibility checking. If the UUID can't be found,it must be 'guessed' by the boot process. you can always edit your bootline to something like /dev/sda1, but entering a UUID is impossible11:48
{uX}l`VampyrCeil80G Volume, Trash, Home, and File System11:48
gnomefreak{uX}l`VampyrCeil: xfce?11:48
tapasoh yay, finally jack output in amarok again by way of manually compiling the damn alsa lib pcm jack plugin11:48
Mithrandirstefg: apart from that use case, do you know of anything that breaks with UUIDs vs labels?  If not, I suspect the right fix is to make backup/restore scripts cope.11:48
{uX}l`VampyrCeilyeah gnomefreak11:49
yellow_chicken7.04 out yet?11:49
Mithrandiryellow_chicken: no11:49
gnomefreak{uX}l`VampyrCeil: thats what the xubuntu devels decided to do11:49
xopheryellow_chicken, 19th is release day11:49
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yellow_chickenit says tomorrow which means 18th11:49
gnomefreakyellow_chicken: no11:49
mc44Mithrandir: werent there hibernate problems with UUID you wouldnt get from labels?11:49
tapasMithrandir: i once had problems with this UUID stuff, but i forgot what it was11:49
Mithrandirstefg: I'm thinking grub2 should have a way to say "please use this as my root partition" and then pull the UUID off that partition.  That's slightly pie-in-the-sky however.11:49
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tapasMithrandir: i changed all my fstab back to labels ;)11:49
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Turgonumode CE11:50
Turgon(upsy sorry)11:50
{uX}l`VampyrCeilthanks all the people that helped me \o/11:50
Mithrandirmc44: you mean related to swap and the uuid being regenerated in some cases?  Yes, but that's not really because how UUIDs work, but rather more of a bug.11:50
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{uX}l`VampyrCeilsorry if i seemed to "waste your time" earlier :x11:51
tapas{uX}l`VampyrCeil: nah i was just a bit how do you say "pointy"?11:51
tapassoz for that..11:51
{uX}l`VampyrCeilno worries11:51
Mithrandirtapas: sure, if you prefer labels, you're free to use that.11:51
stefgMithrandir: so the installer already builds an fstab, and any live distro can autocreate an fstab. what about a dead simple solution, like placing a semaphore in the root of each partiton (root holds a .root 0 byte file, /home holds a .home... and so on)11:51
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tapasyeah one of the area where the ubuntu policy is interpreted right. make good choices, but don't limit the user's choices if hewishes to choose otherwise11:52
tapas[contrary to the jack dilemma ;)] 11:52
llutzstefg: what about systems with more than 1 linux-installation?11:52
stefgllutz: good point... was just an idea11:52
Mithrandirstefg: you know about the "last-mounted-where" part of ext2/3?  I guess we could use that.11:53
{uX}l`VampyrCeiluhm... is there any way to get the stuff off my desktop? :x11:53
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llutzMithrandir: that would fix you to ext-fs11:54
mc44{uX}l`VampyrCeil: what stuff?11:54
{uX}l`VampyrCeilTrash, etc11:54
tapas{uX}l`VampyrCeil: rm ~/Desktop/* -rf [don't!!!] 11:54
{uX}l`VampyrCeilTrash and the two hard drives and Home11:54
Mithrandirllutz: are you sure other file systems doesn't have it too?  And that it's hard to add it?11:54
llutzMithrandir: don't know, sry11:54
mc44{uX}l`VampyrCeil: you can turn them off in gconf11:55
stefgMithrandir: i don't have a solution, but i'm shifting around partitions on my system a lot... this UUID crap is more of a pita for me tha it frees me of the necessity to keep track of which is which11:55
{uX}l`VampyrCeilthere's nothing in ~/Desktop btw <_<11:55
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Mithrandirstefg: yes, I can understand that, which is why I'm throwing ideas at you to see which ones stick. ;-)11:55
mc44{uX}l`VampyrCeil: gconf-editor11:55
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llutzstefg: labels are fine, you just need to be carefull not to mix them up11:55
{uX}l`VampyrCeilheh i don't have gconf-editor :x11:56
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mc44{uX}l`VampyrCeil: no it will be installed. Are you on gnome?11:56
{uX}l`VampyrCeilxconf-editor, then? :x11:56
mc44ah, sorry, dont know then11:56
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{uX}l`VampyrCeilthanks tho o/11:56
XVampireXYou people stop marketing Feisty as just something with more support for hardware11:57
XVampireXdon't forget the performance increase11:57
dystopianrayXVampireX: what performance increase?11:58
mc44XVampireX: you probably want #ubuntu-marketing11:58
{uX}l`VampyrCeilbtw, i like how i can upgrade my OS and it still has all my settings and stuff ^^11:58
XVampireXdystopianray: You're silly11:58
{uX}l`VampyrCeilXubuntu 6.10 was the first linux i used; i expected my files to stay, but the theme and desktop image staying is a nice surprise11:58
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Tm_Feistyhi kids11:59
XVampireXdystopianray: Things just work faster here...11:59
Tm_TTm_Feisty: mooh11:59
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dystopianrayXVampireX: which things? are you just thinking it's faster or you have performed and objective analysis?12:00
XVampireX{uX}l`VampyrCeil: Linux is evolutionary, it never stays in the same spot, it always moves, it's a moving target. Microsoft Windows is nothing :P12:00
{uX}l`VampyrCeillol mrawr XD12:00
{uX}l`VampyrCeili like how linux evolved from Red Hat's little boy to Novell's adult woman12:01
{uX}l`VampyrCeilthose commercials are cool :p12:01
{uX}l`VampyrCeilIBM's little boy*12:01
{uX}l`VampyrCeildno why i said RH :x12:01
dystopianrayoh the commercials12:02
{uX}l`VampyrCeilyeah, IBM had that child prodigy12:02
XVampireXdystopianray: If I say that it is faster, and others say it is faster, then it is faster... and trust me, I'm not the only one who says that it is faster12:02
{uX}l`VampyrCeilNovell's commercials has the woman Linux talkin' the "Mac" and "PC"12:02
{uX}l`VampyrCeilSysInfo: Mem: 366/503M [||||||||||] 12:03
dystopianrayXVampireX: no that doesn't mean it's faster, it's likely you're just imaging it or subconciously adopting this opinion to better convince yourself of ubuntu's greatness12:03
{uX}l`VampyrCeilConky says it's 137 o_O12:03
{uX}l`VampyrCeilin any case, stuff seems faster already12:03
dystopianray'seems faster' doesn't cut it, you need objective evidence12:04
void^certain things are "faster". eg, X11 on nvidia with proper xdamage/backingstore support12:04
{uX}l`VampyrCeilbut then, i don't have my two irssi's up and tabs in firefox and all that yet12:04
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stefgYup, but my impression as well is that feisty is blazingly fast... i spent a lot of time in tuning my dapper, feisty i eems as fast out of the box.... (should it work someday with my DVD-writer :-) )12:05
XVampireXdystopianray: You are a person who starts with the letter I and ends with the letter t, 5 letters12:06
MithrandirXVampireX: no need to be rude.12:06
mc44!coc | XVampireX12:07
ubotuXVampireX: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/12:07
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dystopianrayI don't know what word she is referring to12:08
tapasdoes k3b have some function to print the list of files on a data cd/dvd?12:08
_4strOi dont too12:08
tapasor what would be the easiest way to do this?12:08
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[miles] are the iso's pretty much frozen now for release?12:08
dystopianraytapas: print with a printer you mean?12:08
tapasdystopianray: yes12:08
mc44[miles] : prett much12:08
tapasdystopianray: i supose getting the list of files in textual form is enough. printing i can then do with lpr ;)12:09
[miles] mc44: mmm so if I grab the iso now... unlikely it's gonna change?12:09
dystopianraytapas: 'ls' can get you a file listing12:09
gnomefreak[miles] : correct12:09
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gnomefreak[miles] : it shouldnt change at all12:09
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Mithrandir[miles] : assuming the sky doesn't fall down, the current dailies are what will be the release.12:09
[miles] LOL12:09
tapasdystopianray: yes, but not of a k3b project12:09
tapasdystopianray: only of the finished cd/dvd12:10
[miles] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/12:10
dystopianraytapas: you might be able to use dcop to query the project file list12:10
tapasdystopianray: btw: haha ;)12:10
[miles] those ones yeah12:10
tapasdystopianray: ok. i'll check12:10
gnomefreakMithrandir: its a bit early i know. is there a round about time frame when toolchain will be finished?12:11
stefgMithrandir: please don't let this be true. I'm suffering from a frustrating regression. kernel 2.6.20-15.25 worked 15.27 does not. Can you iagine how frustrating it is, when the last update before release hoses your ability to go with the stock-kernel? I don't want to care for sources, nvidia, vmware myself....12:11
tapasdamn dcop commandline completion is broken12:12
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dystopianraytapas: try kdcop12:12
tapasdystopianray: thx12:12
Mithrandirstefg: which bug # is this?12:13
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Mithrandirgnomefreak: "soon"; I haven't been following it closely.12:13
gnomefreakMithrandir: ty12:13
stefgMithrandir: gimme s sec... machine slow due to feisty installing in vmware ATM12:13
tapasdystopianray: hah, great. it works :)12:13
dystopianraytapas: you can the file list?12:13
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tapasdystopianray: yes12:14
stefgMithrandir: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9867012:14
ubotuMalone bug 98670 in Ubuntu "DVD-Drive locks at startup when using usplash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 12:14
tapashmm, using kdcop it's easy.. i wonder how this translates to teh dcop commandline call..12:15
Mithrandirstefg: interesting; I wonder why usplash should have anything to do with it.12:15
tapasah got it12:16
tapasmee stoopid12:16
tapasdcop k3b K3bProject-0 children /12:16
mc44stefg: does it boot without usplash?12:16
Mithrandirstefg: but the machine works apart from the ten second bootup delay?12:16
tapasdystopianray: oh well, it's not recursive ;) but that's easy to do i suppose12:16
stefgMithrandir: my guess is that it's a timing issue... something with mdadm. the problem lies within initrd, afaik12:16
stefgMithrandir: no... i got to keep hammering on the eject button of the DVD during boot... if not, the DVD locks with the error loop. Or if i ommit quiet splash and boot and don't use uspalsh12:18
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Mithrandirstefg: ok, so a simple workaround is to just not enable usplash?12:18
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stefgMithrandir: seems so... but i'm just about to test the RC... install in vmware just finished, but i'll do a real install next.... and i *want* usplash, i see stupid logs all day, so no need to look at them while booting :-)12:20
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mon^rchwow, my compiz runs better than my mewtacity..12:21
stefgAnd i had it working.... i just won't accept that it's taken away from me again :-)12:21
mc44stefg: the RC uses -15.27 so you problem will likely remain12:21
stefgLet's see waht the real install gives me12:21
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llutz2.6.20-15-386 is a non-smp kernel?12:23
Mithrandirllutz: yes.12:23
llutzhow to use nvidia-glx-new with 15-generic?12:23
stefgBTW is there any changelog to look at, to figure out the difference between the 25 and 27 build?12:23
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dystopianraystefg: yes12:24
osiohas some installed the feisty server version?12:24
osiohello first12:24
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stefgaha, i think  Revert back to amd74xx and disable the troublesome pata_amd is what makes the difference12:26
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bullgard4Is there a description of gnome-volume-manager?12:26
stefgseems i need pata_amd12:26
Trewasfeels like freezing the distribution did not touch the kernel this time, fortunately the latest kernels ~broke only frequency scaling for me12:31
osiothanx guys12:32
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XVampireXdystopianray: Maybe because you use gnome it's not faster for you, but I tried gnome on ubuntu too and it worked pretty fast, faster than on Edgy. I am using Kubuntu Feisty Fawn right now,  and just like many others, I'm not the only one with an increased performance "feeling"12:33
dystopianrayXVampireX: I don't use gnome12:33
dystopianrayXVampireX: I am also using kubuntu12:33
XVampireXEven one of the people ASKED me, before I could tell him, that feisty is faster...12:33
MithrandirXVampireX: speaking about performance without actually measuring it is pointless.12:34
XVampireX"Didn't you notice the performance increase" or something like that12:34
dystopianrayI suspect it's a case of it feeling faster becuase you want it to be faster12:34
XVampireXMithrandir: As pointless as living for you12:34
XVampireXWhat the f?12:34
XVampireXEven beryl in many different effects worked sluggish for me12:34
XVampireXnow I'm using it... and everything is working fine.12:35
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XVampireXYou're denying the truth or something12:35
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mc44XVampireX: stop insulting people12:35
XVampireXHe's insulting me12:35
XVampireXSaying that I don't know what I'm talking about12:36
XVampireXand that others don't know what they are talking about12:36
gnomefreakXVampireX: just stop please and i didnt see him insullt you.12:36
XVampireXThe person who mentioned it first is also a game programmer12:36
XVampireXSo you're denying someone who KNOWS, that it's faster.12:36
mc44XVampireX: no, we are saying you should stop making personal attacks12:37
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XVampireXNow you're denying that he's attacking me, cool fellas you are12:37
mengis there a way to keep resolv.conf settings permenant?12:37
dystopianrayXVampireX: I am not attacking you, i'm merely saying that I suspect much of the 'it's faster' feelings are more psychological than factual12:38
dystopianraymeng: chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf12:38
MithrandirXVampireX: I'm telling you to measure, I'm not saying you're wrong or right.12:38
XVampireXI don't want to measure because I know...12:38
mc44XVampireX: good. Now this is a support channel, so please stop the discussion12:39
gnomefreakgood than it ends here.12:39
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stefgis the login on stgraber.org related to my launchpad account or do i need to register first ?12:40
finalbeta5 seconds before I crashed Rhythmbox today. To easy.12:40
Mithrandirstefg: you need to register.12:40
dystopianraywhat is stgraber.org?12:40
Mithrandirdystopianray: https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ ; current home of our ISO tests12:41
dystopianrayoh that's right12:41
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stefgHmm. but i think there's no point in stating that the vmware install of desktop-i386 with auto-partitioning just went perfect.... let's see waht it does on the real machine12:46
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Assimso will feisty be ready for tomorrow ?12:48
MithrandirAssim: looks like it.12:48
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PriceChildMithrandir, woo :)12:49
Mithrandirbut it's not released before it's released.12:49
PriceChildarg was waiting for that one...12:49
tattersmy syslog is continually reporting [ 5957.012819]  keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240,12:49
mc44PriceChild: we really need a factoid for all the poeple who will ask that today :)12:49
MithrandirPriceChild: I'm not going to jinx it by saying "yes, it will be released tomorrow" and then have it blow up in my face.12:49
Assimguess th upgrade server is gonna get hammered tomorrow12:49
PriceChildout yet is <reply> GO AWAY!!!12:49
mc44exactly :)12:50
PriceChildMithrandir, hehe :)12:50
PriceChildAssim, If you're going to be upgrading... I suggest doing it today ;)12:50
PriceChildAssim, of course if it breaks its not my fault!!!12:50
gnomefreaktomorrow is also a relative term seeing as tomorrow is different for people12:50
stefgis there a 'cheatcode' for the installer to tell him to use an .iso on hd. Would like to speed up installation by not burning on CD and installing from there12:50
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate12:50
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mellow_bunnytomorrow is only 1:10mins away12:50
PriceChildI think there's a way to install from hard drive in that first link12:50
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Assimwill edgy see it automaticaly or is there somthing i need to type in ?12:51
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Mithrandirmellow_bunny: not for me and I'm the release manager.12:51
stefglet's see12:51
mc44Assim: it will be automatic12:51
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PriceChildAssim, edgy should see it fine... but dapper will stay as it is afaik (because of lts)12:51
davidwdamn... this stupid rt61 card is being a PITA with my FON thing:-(12:51
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jribstefg: up up left right,  seriously, I think you should be able to mount the .iso and use it as a repository12:51
stefgjrib: you mean press 'cursor up' twice then left right?12:52
mellow_bunnylovely instructions XD12:53
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mellow_bunnyi need abigger harddrive.. or another laptop for ubuntu12:53
AssimI have kubuntu edgy installed over the top of ubuntu edgy will the upgrade install everything i need to keep both ?12:53
lan3yWill feisty be able to install grub to a sata drive (windows) if i'm installing it to an ide?12:53
mellow_bunnyit saddens me that i still cling to windows for adobe12:53
jribstefg: yes, but the number of seconds since unix epoch must be 0 modulo 77 so you have to do it at the right time12:54
stefgjrib: are you seriuos?12:54
jribAssim: yes as long as you have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop you should be ok12:54
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Assimyeah i just installed kubuntu vis synaptic :-)12:55
mellow_bunnyis ruby inlcuded in the ubuntu repositories at all?12:55
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mellow_bunny*ruby on rails12:55
jribstefg: are you seriously asking me if I am serious? :P12:55
PriceChildbad op jrib! :)12:55
stefgjrib... i wasn12:55
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stefg't sure12:55
jribstefg: oh, sorry.  I was serious about the mounting thing, but not serious about the cheat code12:56
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dystopianrayoh linux cheat codes,i have plenty12:56
neonlinuxiddqd :)12:56
mc44oh dear12:57
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dystopianraythe best thing about feisty is the new laptop battery icon01:00
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_4strOlol dystopianray01:01
_4strOthe networkmanager icon too :)01:01
dystopianray_4strO: seriously, the old one only showed 4 levels, it was useless, i couldn't tell if I had 70% or 50% battery level01:01
stefgnahh. the best thing in feisty is that there's a decent collection of non-pooh themes included now :-)01:02
neonlinuxumm... will e17 look better in feisty release? lol01:03
PriceChildThe best thing about Feisty is that it marks the beginning of Gutsy01:03
dystopianrayfor gutsy they should replace the human theme with one called 'simian'01:03
stefgjust to avoid that people nickname the gutsy gibbon theme 'apesh*t' ?01:05
_4strOdystopianray: never be focus on this pb, i always be on the sector :p01:05
_4strOand then my battery icon is always full01:06
neonlinuxwhat are the names going to be once zippy zebra is reached01:06
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AnRkeyhi all01:06
dystopianrayneonlinux: they're not in alphabetical order01:06
AnRkeyWell even my wife is testing now and she is please as punch01:06
mc44neonlinux: 1 1, 22 etc :)01:06
mc44dystopianray: they pretty much are now01:06
neonlinuxmc44: lol01:07
_4strOdapper, edgy, feisty01:07
dystopianraymc44: is thre going to be another 'h' name?01:07
neonlinuxdystopianray: i thought they had adapted an alpabetical theme01:07
stefgneonlinux: then it continus with UTF-8 letters... or umlauts... ngsty ardvark01:07
mc44dystopianray: probably not, but after that! :)01:07
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neonlinuxstefg: bring on ngsty01:07
mellow_bunnymay as well call it the emo release01:08
PriceChildwhoa mc44 everyone's asking you now :)01:08
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Mithrandirneonlinux: one we reach zenful zebra, we have archived nirvana and there will be no further need for development. :-P01:08
mc44PriceChild: if only I had control of naming policy. Now to find $500 million01:08
dystopianrayMithrandir: archived it?01:09
Mithrandirachieved, even01:09
neonlinuxso.. u mean e17 will be released by then too :)01:09
mc44Mithrandir: also it will be in about a decade :)01:09
Mithrandirthat's what I get for working too much with the archive. :-)01:09
mc44and Linux will rule the world01:09
mc44or something01:09
jribmc44: ubuntu will just add new letters to the alphabet at that point01:09
neonlinuxor microsoft will be assimilated01:09
dystopianraymicrosoft will own linux01:10
poorenglish_the real goal of Canonical, its 12.04 "Microsoft Windows", end of the world01:10
neonlinuxdystopianray: its the microsoft way right... to by anything better than itself?01:10
mc44that would involve going back in time01:10
dystopianrayneonlinux: pretty much01:10
dystopianraywhen they go to 'buy out' linux they're just going to go trash linus' office01:10
neonlinuxlol.. simpsons memory01:11
Assimilatorok as what i gotta type to upgrade early ?01:11
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neonlinuxso i guess the next question would be.. whos microsofts next sco puppet01:11
dystopianrayneonlinux: novell01:12
neonlinuxeww !01:12
PriceChild!upgrade > Assimilator01:12
dystopianraynovell is already saying that windows is better than linux01:12
Assimilatorheh bot it broken01:12
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes01:13
mc44Assimilator: broken?01:13
Assimilator!upgrade > Kubuntulator01:13
mellow_bunny!upgrade | Assimilator01:13
ubotuAssimilator: please see above01:13
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neonlinuxhypothetically... if ms code did somehow get into linux (kernel).. and had ben in there for a while.. and ms decided to start pulling legal.. what would we do as a linux comunity?01:14
Kubuntulatorthats better01:14
PriceChildneonlinux, we would say no?01:14
Mithrandirneonlinux: remove the code?01:14
mellow_bunnyburn ms01:14
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mellow_bunnywe would rebel?01:14
Mithrandirif it was put in there without their consent.01:14
PriceChildmc44, could you message a factoid to me to check.01:14
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PriceChildHehe that's probably a better idea...01:14
mc44!ohmy > PriceChild01:14
PriceChildhmm works :s01:14
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bobesponjais there a difference between last night iso build and tomorrow's official iso release?01:16
mc44bobesponja: hopefully not01:16
neonlinuxok... was just a thought.. after reading through the sco stuff it kinda makes me think what would actually happen if someone like sco came along and had a legit claim01:16
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bobesponjamc44: are they still changing some stuff or will it be just the same?01:17
mc44bobesponja: it should be the same, assuming nothing goes wrong01:17
bullgard4How to copy an audio CD to another audio CD using Feisty and Gnome?01:17
mc44You'll be able to tell if Mithrandir starts swearing01:17
bobesponjaok :)01:18
bobesponjamc44: why? is he a developper or did he install last night build?01:18
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mc44bobesponja: he is the release manager, or possibly a robot. who knows01:18
mellow_bunnyi like to think of him as a robot01:19
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mellow_bunnypossibly evil, most likely obsessed with his pants01:19
mc44pants off!01:19
dystopianrayfeisty has cdrkit?01:19
stefgok, so i'm looking at the CD bootscreen now. what was the cheatcode to tell the installer to use 'ubuntu-desktop-i386.iso' on hdc7 ?01:19
mc44dystopianray: wodim i think01:19
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stefgjrib ?01:21
dystopianrayi wish ubuntu had more OO.org dictionaries by default01:22
Patrick_hey guys trying to get sound to work on my laptop any ideas01:23
dystopianrayPatrick_: is it intel-hda audio?01:24
stefgany boot parameter to add like 'fromhd=/dev/hda7' ,knoppix-like. Don't want to wait hours01:24
[miles] http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down&page=0 <--- :-O  most people want KDE to look like OSX or Windows XP eh LMFAO01:24
Patrick_dystopianray, I dont think so, but how would I find out01:24
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xopherheheh, hope they choose osx01:24
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dystopianrayPatrick_: if you run 'alsamixer' it should tell you what soundcard you have01:24
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llutzthey not only want it to look like, most also want it to behave like XP :(01:25
kjetilk_It seems my laptop needs an acerhk kernel module01:25
kjetilk_it seems to be in the latest kernel01:25
dystopianrayhey ubuntu has hyphenation dictionaries again!01:25
kjetilk_but modprobing it says "cannot allocate memory"01:26
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kjetilk_There seems to be a problem with compiling the module with recent kernels: http://my.opera.com/csant/blog/2006/12/23/acerhk-on-recent-kernels01:28
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kjetilk_has the module in Ubuntu been patched for this problem?01:28
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Mithrandirkjetilk_: that's just for compiling the userspace bits; acerhk as such is in the regular kernel images.01:30
kjetilk_Mithrandir: mmm, ok01:30
jribstefg: what's up?01:31
Patrick_dystopianray, the card part in alsamixer says HDA ATI SB and the chip part says Conexant ID 2bfa01:31
kjetilk_Mithrandir: so, any idea what's causing the cannot allocate memory message?01:31
freshmouseHello. I don't want to wait to 19th April, but I'd like to download Ubuntu FF CD now. I've a question: is the CD in the final stage? I'm affraid of changes on the CD (I will have to download again).01:31
dystopianrayPatrick_: ok that looks like intel-hda, intel-hda is pretty screwed in feisty01:31
mellow_bunnynot able to do net upgrades freshmouse ?01:32
dystopianrayfreshmouse: you won't have to download again if it changes, just use rsync to get a diff01:32
freshmouse(I do the upgrade by apt-get, but I also download the CD.)01:32
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes01:32
Patrick_dystopianray, will there be a fix available for tomorrow do you think01:32
stefgjrib: so i booted the desktop CD... is there a way to either boot already from an iso, or at least push the .iso-image to installer, so that it won't use the physical drive?01:32
dystopianrayPatrick_: no01:32
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Patrick_dystopianray, never01:32
freshmouseOn my PC, I do the upgrade over PC, but I need the CD for anyone.01:33
jribstefg: hmm so you are doing a fresh install instead of an upgrade?01:33
dystopianrayPatrick_: but there are intel-hda related fixes coming in a feisty update at some point01:33
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freshmouse* over apt-get, sorry01:33
freshmouseOn my PC, I do the upgrade over _apt-get_01:33
_4strOfreshmouse: ?01:34
Patrick_dystopianray, I wont have to wait long I hope, strangely my wifi card started working today so who knows01:34
stefgjrib: yup, that's my point. i have a half broken feisty install on my playground. this will be overwritten with a fresh install now01:34
mc44freshmouse: you shouldnt use apt-get to upgrade to a new release01:34
Mithrandirkjetilk_: no, not really, I don't have an acer.01:34
Kubuntulatorhmm i cant see an upgrade option in Update manager ?01:34
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freshmousemc44: Why not? I can use it.01:34
mc44freshmouse: using update-manager is safer01:34
stefgall i want to know if it's possible to make casper use an .iso instead of a physical drive01:34
freshmouse_4strO: typing error01:34
kjetilk_Mithrandir: ok, this is a Compal, BTW (I was unlucky enough to buy from whitebox as they went belly-up)01:35
Mithrandirkjetilk_: ugh; never liked that company..01:35
jribstefg: ah that seems more difficult.  What desktop cd is this?01:35
Mithrandirstefg: no, but if you put /casper on a vfat partition, that'll work.01:35
freshmousemc44: OK, it is not important.01:36
kjetilk_Mithrandir: yeah, but they were one of the few that would sell without windows...01:36
_4strOfreshmouse: well , what is the pb ?01:36
stefgok... lets forget that for a moment... but any knoppix flavour can do that for ages: just pass 'fromhd=dev/hdc7' and it will look in the rootdir for the.iso and use that. I'll make that a feature request01:37
freshmouse_4strO: There is no problem. :-) I just want to know if the CD could be changed before final release (4/19).01:37
Mithrandirkjetilk_: best I can offer is asking you to file a bug about it.01:37
mc44freshmouse: yes it could be.01:37
mc44freshmouse: but probably wont be01:37
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freshmousemc44: OK, thanks.01:38
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KubuntulatorI cant see an upgrade option in Update manager ? how do I fix that ?01:39
mc44Kubuntulator: sudo update-manager -d01:39
mc44Kubuntulator: however if you are on kubuntu it is different01:39
_4strOha ok freshmouse:p01:40
kjetilk_Mithrandir: ok!01:40
Kubuntulatorok will it help if i switch over to gnome01:40
freshmouse_4strO: ?01:40
mc44Kubuntulator: probably not. read the instructions at01:40
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laichzeitfreshmouse, where did you download your .iso for the cd from?01:40
[miles] guys, whats the deal with things like FlashPlayer on 64bit now?01:40
Kubuntulatoryeah not very forth comming01:41
[miles] I tried a couple of months ago, but reverted to i38601:41
freshmouselaichzeit: ubuntu.com, of course01:41
[miles] I got too frustrated with desktop issues with 64bit... things improved?01:41
mc44flash player still wont work natively, no01:42
laichzeitfreshmouse, only shows 6.10 for download01:42
[miles] mmm ok thats a shame01:42
mc44[miles] : blame adobe :)01:42
freshmouselaichzeit: The 7.04 will be released tommorow.01:42
[miles] I do, don't worry01:42
laichzeitfreshmouse, damn, was hoping there would be a daily .iso built..01:43
[miles] and Skype, and real networks, and all the others01:43
freshmouselaichzeit: Mmnt.01:43
mc44laichzeit: see cdimage.ubuntu.com01:43
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freshmouselaichzeit: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd501:44
[miles] I've just downloaded the fesity rc... I hope it does not change now :-|01:44
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freshmouselaichzeit: or better http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/01:45
stefgoh... this migration tool i s so ridiculous... could it be that i want migrate a /linux/-homedir from another install, not friggin' IE-favorites... ts,ts01:45
KubuntulatorFailed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)01:45
Kubuntulatorwhat does that mean ?01:46
dystopianrayKubuntulator: bzip2 failed01:46
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mellow_bunny13 packages left >_>01:46
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pngtheres a problem at totemplayer 2.18.1 while tryin to play a movie with a subtitle.  it works fine without subtitle file (srt)01:47
Kubuntulatorwhy would it fail ?01:47
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dystopianrayKubuntulator: something wrong witht he mirror i suspect, give it half an hour or so and try again01:49
Kubuntulatoroh ok01:49
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BluesKajis there a rule of thumb how large the / partition vs the /home partition should be ...I do a lot of video editing etc and need lots of disk space for storing these files til they are burned to dvd .01:51
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stefgBluesKaj: 5gb root should be fine01:52
stefgso use the other 245 gb for your video01:53
BluesKajstefg, that's enuff to hold the OS and peripherals ?01:53
dystopianrayBluesKaj: standard instal is ~2GB01:54
BluesKajok, thx gents01:54
stefgBluesKaj: a default fesity install totals to around 2.5 gb installed files... you need space for apt,tmp and logs... that's it.01:54
BluesKajok so to give it some headroom a 10G partition for / is plenty then ?01:55
Kubuntulatorcan some one check that out01:55
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dystopianrayKubuntulator: the dbus and X errors are unrelated01:57
Kubuntulatoroh but are they bad ?01:57
dystopianrayKubuntulator: they are from the wacom devices that ubuntu puts in xorg.conf by default01:57
Kubuntulatorhave to noticed them before01:58
Kubuntulatoris it somthing I need to fix ?01:58
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dystopianrayKubuntulator: no it's not a problem it's just saying you don't have those input devices01:59
dystopianrayKubuntulator: the dbus error however, that is more serious i think01:59
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Kubuntulatorok what should i do ?01:59
dystopianrayKubuntulator: I'm not really sure01:59
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Kubuntulatorask in #ubuntu02:00
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kjetilk_Uh, ouch, the acerhk kernel module actually says that it find a "bios routine" for my wireless kill switch02:00
kjetilk_anyone know of other things that deals with such kill switches?02:01
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laichzeitcdimage.ubuntu.com is dog slow02:01
stefgno... saturates my 16 MBit line02:02
stefgerr 1,602:02
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stefgmaybe my ISP has the ubuntu images already in his cache :-)02:03
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dystopianrayor maybe you're stealing the last of the bandwidth02:05
stefgno... i'm already installing ... and chatting on IRC won't eat up bandwith on cdimages.ubuntu.com :-)02:05
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menger i need help with the resolv.conf02:07
stefgbut i'm bored to agony by this CD install... where to put feature requests? Launchpad?02:08
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mengi need to save the nameserver entry to something else02:08
mengbut every reboot reset this to my router's02:09
mengplease help?02:09
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dystopianraymeng: dhcp is overwriting it02:09
mengso i need to make it permanent ip?02:10
laichzeitare there any mirrors for cdimage.ubuntu.com?02:10
dystopianraymeng: i think you can configure dhclient to not change resolv.conf02:10
dystopianraymeng: i'm not really sure, maybe look at the man page02:11
mengwhat's the file to configure?02:11
AdministratorXGood Morning from Marietta, GA02:11
dystopianraymeng: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf02:12
dystopianraymeng: dhclient.conf has it's own man page02:12
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Patrick_hey guys having a problem when I log of the screen just stays blank?? and I have to hold down the power button to turn the laptop off02:14
nomasteryodaPatrick_, have you updated?02:14
nomasteryodaand restarted02:14
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nomasteryodaas for the power button, might want to use Ctrl+Alt+SysRq (under printscrn button) +K for sync and kill processes.. then same but "b" isntead of k02:15
nomasteryodasafer way to reboot hung system02:16
shawn34Patrick_, don't do that02:16
Patrick_then what could be causing this problem02:16
shawn34Patrick_, you could switch to another terminal and restart from command line, or restart the gdm02:16
nomasteryodanot if you can't switch to another term02:16
shawn34its happened to me before02:17
nomasteryodai've seen this work well with kdm... it kills the hung kdm, then restarts it .. similar to the ctrl+alt+bkspc02:17
Patrick_it happens everytime02:17
nomasteryodasounds like acpi hangs02:17
Patrick_is there a solution02:18
nomasteryodai would look at the system logs (/var/log/syslog) to see what happened02:18
nomasteryodawhat m/b do you have?02:18
dystopianrayhow do i change my default editor to vim?02:18
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llutzdystopianray: edit env-variable EDITOR02:19
dystopianrayllutz: no you have to use update-alternatives, but i'm not sure exactly how02:19
Patrick_nomasteryoda, Im using a brand new acer laptop02:19
CarinArrPatrick_: i had that on edgy, don't in feisty02:19
CarinArrPatrick_: have you tried rebooting with acpi off?02:20
CarinArrsee if it does the same02:20
Patrick_CarinArr, how to turn acpi off02:20
CarinArrPatrick_: when you reboot, in grub, you hit e to edit, and just stick acpi=off at the end of the line02:21
shawn34Any good howto's on syncing windows based pocket pc with Kontact?02:21
nomasteryodaah, that newness might be the issue... but the acpi=off is most likely to help determine02:22
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stefgoh great.... installing the feisty RC: activating compiz means losing window borders, had to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to get a proper resolution ... hmmmm, this is more buggy than the beta for me02:23
stefgnot to mention the DVD-writer bug02:24
llutzdystopianray: update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/vi vi /usr/bin/vim 1 && update-alternatives --set vi /usr/bin/vim02:24
dystopianraystefg: what dvd writer bug?02:24
llutzdystopianray: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/9102:25
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dystopianrayllutz: well i worked it and that isn't quite correct02:25
stefgthe one i talked about before... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9867002:25
ubotuMalone bug 98670 in Ubuntu "DVD-Drive locks at startup when using usplash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 02:25
dystopianrayllutz: update-alternatives --set editor /usr/bin/vim.basic02:25
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valehruI think that bug has been around since Dapper....lol02:27
valehruim trying to run the rails console via script/console but I get the error: ./script/../config/../vendor/rails/railties/lib/commands/console.rb:25:in `exec': No such file or directory02:28
valehrufigured it out, what is up with feisty and no resolving links eh?  sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/bin/irb  got it sorted out02:28
valehruthe same problem happened with mysql today as well02:28
valehrureally strange02:28
stefgvalehru: true... but i'm tired of running my own kernel, caring for the related stuff like nvidia and vmware. Wasn't etch released recently :-) ?02:28
valehruoh well02:28
valehrustefg, yeah, I think that Ill be changing very very soon..02:29
valehrualthough I like how feisty handles some things, like scim and language support, made it a complete breeze for me here in China....02:29
valehruwonder how Debian will compare02:29
valehrunot worried about anything else really02:30
dystopianraystefg: oh i thought you meant an error with writing dvds02:30
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Patrick_anyone know what would be causing my laptop to hang when I log off02:30
nomasteryodaPatrick_, have you tried this02:31
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nomasteryodaswitch to a terminal... say F102:31
AdministratorXPatrick: Do you think it might be ACPI02:31
Patrick_not to sure02:31
nomasteryodaCtrl+alt+F1 (F7 being your normal Gui one)02:31
nomasteryodathen login02:31
nomasteryodathen type sudo halt02:32
nomasteryodajust to see if that works02:32
Patrick_nomasteryoda, i cant do anything once I press log out except for holding down the power button02:32
nomasteryodaif so, then its something to do with the gui02:32
nomasteryodai know that02:32
nomasteryodaif you switch to a terminal First02:33
nomasteryodato confirm its at a deeper level than the gui02:33
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AdministratorXOr try acpi=off in your menu.lst file02:34
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Patrick_yes sudo halt works02:36
Patrick_when I do ctrl + alt + F1 and login02:37
stefgSo my impression is that things went worse, not better, compared to the beta release.... regarding the edgy and dapper release i'd say ubuntu is building up a tradition in messing up releases in the last minute02:37
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AdministratorXtry acpi=off in your menu.lst file02:37
AdministratorXtry acpi=off in your menu.lst file02:37
Patrick_where is that?02:38
llutzPatrick_:/boot/grub/menu.lst  that will prevent the kernel from using energysaving etc.pp. not recommended for normal usage on a laptop02:39
Patrick_so it would be a bad idea02:39
Patrick_I would love a distro thats just ready to go02:39
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DanglyBitshaving problem with firefox shutting down when going to cnn.com anyone else have this issue?02:41
meal3837ok, so, my dvd drive can't finish extended reads . . . my gut says broken drive, but dvd::rip suggested a problem with my libdvdread install02:41
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meal3837DanglyBits, i've had problems with ff randomly shutting down on media intense pages before02:41
nomasteryodait will restart with last page you opened02:42
AdministratorXDanglyBits: I am not having that issue02:42
neonlinuxDanglyBits: sorry dude.. no prob here02:42
meal3837DanglyBits, It's been a while, though02:42
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robertjwhat's the equivalent of <pre> on the wiki?02:43
AdministratorXDanglyBits: Don't forget you always have the option of using the Opera Web Browser02:44
meal3837is anyone familiar with that bug they had with g965 chipsets?02:44
meal3837as far as the PATA controller02:45
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neonlinuxmeal3837: bug?02:45
meal3837it's "fixed," at least so that you can get feisty installed, but the ICH8 southbridge doesn't include PATA support, and the 2.6.17 kernel didn't like a lot of the 3rd party PATA controllers that were put on these boards02:46
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meal3837i think they fixed it with 2.6.20-15?02:47
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meal3837i was going to ask if they actually found a driver to work with the PATA controller, but i ran lsmod and saw PATA_MARVELL02:49
Patrick_AdministratorX, that "acpi=off" line doesnt do anything, no difference02:49
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meal3837Patrick_: were you trying to build gentoo last night?02:50
Patrick_meal3837, yep02:50
meal3837Patrick_: i was catduck, i think02:50
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AdministratorXPatrick: Sorry to here that, It was the only thing I could think of that might be related to the shutdown problem02:51
meal3837having trouble with actually getting it to shut off?02:51
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meal3837AdministratorX: isn't there a command like acpi=force, or something like that?02:52
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mipsAny idea why I cannot install grub to (hd0,2) but only to (hd0) ???02:53
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AdministratorXmeal3837: I think you are right about that, not sure about the syntax02:55
RawSewagehow many more hours until release02:55
meal3837AdministratorX: i had that prob on my old comp, i wound up reading some google hits from other distros to solve it . . . yay02:56
PriceChildRawSewage, released when its released02:56
AdministratorXyeah, same here, that's how I find alot of fixes also.02:57
PriceChildRawSewage, there is no specific point in time we're aiming for...02:58
PriceChildRawSewage, when it is ready, it will be released02:58
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stefgSo why is it that metacity works with compiz on my feisty install, that was installed from the beta and upgraded, but fails on a fresh install from the RC -CD?03:01
meal3837Patrick_: try acpi=force as an option in your grub03:01
meal3837AdministratorX: I actually found it in an ubuntu forum this time03:01
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meal3837metacity doesn't work with compiz at all, does it?03:02
meal3837aren't they seperate window managers?03:02
steg_freshfeistyIt did... on the beta03:02
nomasteryodano, compiz is like a layer03:02
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meal3837i guess i'm confused, since they're both listed as window managers in my beryl menu03:03
gordmetacity and compiz are both 'window managers' they can not run at the same time. compiz does however use a 'gtk-window decorator' which is essentially the same as what metacity uses as well and thus looks the same03:03
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steg_freshfeistyso i have two fesity installs on this box now... this one, unencumbered and pristine as put by the installer, and another one which was updated from the beta over time. They behave totally different,  ???03:04
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mipsAny idea why I cannot install grub to (hd0,2) but only to (hd0) ???03:05
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stefghd0 is a disk, hd0,2 is a partition03:06
PriceChildmips, grub gets installed to the mbr at the start of a disk, not a partition03:06
PriceChildmips, the bios can only read a certain amount into a disc to boot from so it has to be at the physical start03:07
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mipsPriceChild, I use GAG on my MBR. Wiht Debian Etch I installed Grub to a partition, no problem.03:08
mipsPriceChild, GAG then points to the partition of Etch and Grub loads03:09
PriceChildI haven't got a clue on that :)03:10
meal3837<<doesn't want to go to class today :(03:10
meal3837anyone want to call my college and tell them i'm dying from . . . terrorists or something?03:10
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AdministratorXGAG: Is The Graphical Boot Manager (Current Version 4.8)03:11
nomasteryodameal3837, that's bad... and sad03:11
meal3837that acronym makes no sense03:11
mipsmeal3837, dont be so slack, make use of your oppertunities as there are many less fortunate03:11
AdministratorXI prefer Grub myself.03:11
meal3837yeah, yeah, i know . . . but it's business law03:12
nomasteryodamips, if anymore morons try what happened at VA Tech, then telelearning will be the way to go...03:12
elkbuntuguys, lets keep on-topic shall we?03:13
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mipsGAG is a breeze to setup compared to Grub03:15
meal3837topic drift = my fault . . . apologies03:15
meal3837btw, i've been newsless for about 3 days . . . was completely unaware of the VAtech thicg, sorry abou that too, i'm not really that tasteless03:16
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maddlerhi all...03:23
maddlerI'm trying to upgrade to Feisty using adept-manager... but no Version Upgrade button... I followed instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades03:23
maddlerany clue?03:23
BluesKaji know this an obvious question but did you add this to your sources list : deb [WWW]  http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-pre-feisty-upgrade/ edgy main03:26
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mipsUpand did you do step 403:26
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maddlerBluesKaj: yep...03:30
maddlerBluesKaj: added and double checked...03:30
ExienHi, I have a quick question because I'm not sure if my problem is with Feisty but for some reason my wlan messes up sometimes. First let me explain my set up. I have a Broadcom wireless card installed with ndiswraper 1.9. I can connect to the wireless network fine, and I can use the internet fine. The problem is that sometimes, I'm not sure how or why it won't connect to local hosts (such as 192.168.1.XXX) and then other times it won't resolve any domain na03:31
Exienmes (such as google.com) and I have to restart for the issue to be fixed. Would this be an issue with Feisty? It never happened to me with Edgy so that's why I'm wondering. Thanks03:31
TurgonI have Ubuntu 6.10 right now. If I download the live CD to test if Feisty works for me, can I use the CD to upgrade from it? If I can, I suppose it is done by adding the CD to "Software Origins", in the "Other providers" tab, isn't it?03:31
maddlerbtw... even using Upgrade Manager I won't get anithing about a new release03:31
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maddlerTurgon: yes, you can...03:31
shirishevening everybody :)03:31
maddlerwell... you actually need the "alternate" cd...03:32
spheardhello, How do I stop kde from starting at boot?03:32
maddlerturgon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades03:32
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TurgonK, thanks. I'll read that (I only wanted to save bandwidth, tomorrow surely will be a bit crammed XD )03:33
ExienLike right now for example, I'm connected to the internet fine but I can't ping another host inside my network (Which I was able to earlier and if I restart I will most likely be able to)03:33
ferret_0568My wireless with manual IP configuration, ie, no roaming mode, is not working03:33
ferret_0568nm-applet says manual configuration03:34
ferret_0568What could be wrong?03:34
ferret_0568With automatic config, it works03:34
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Exienferret_0568, Are you clicking on the nm-applet icon and then going to manual configuration?03:35
Exienferret_0568, From what I understand that takes you to the ubuntu network configuration tool which changes the interfaces file... and if I understand correctly nm-applet does not work off of this file03:35
Exienferret_0568, So manually configuring it will not work with nm-applet03:35
Exienferret_0568, I could be wrong but thats what I understood. So if you manually configured it you will have to set your essid with iwconfig and use dhclient to get an IP03:36
ferret_0568Well...NetworkManager is supposed to control ath0, but if nm-applet says manual config...then shouldn't NetworkManager give the interface up?03:36
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Exienferret_0568, And nm-applet will not be able to manage it. (I don't know why it lets you do it if that is the case)03:36
Exienferret_0568, Well, if you have the interface in your interfaces file nm-applet will probably not recognize it when you restart or reload the applet03:36
Exienferret_0568, But I'm not completely sure.. If you manually configure it you have to get it up all the way yourself I think03:37
ferret_0568I'm going to do a dpkg -L real quick03:37
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ferret_0568...where is the NetworkManager interfaces file? I'm trying to find that out03:38
Exienferret_0568, By NetworkManager you're refering to the nm-applet, right? If so I'm not sure.03:39
fulat2k8499hi folks, my kubuntu 7.04 went to trashing mode and after a reboot, i can see kdm and login.  but kde refuses to start.  kicks me back to kdm.  any ideas?  using dell d400 with i81003:39
Exienferret_0568, The interfaces file I was refering to is the one in /etc/network/interfaces03:39
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Exienferret_0568, Oh okay. You're talking about the Ubuntu network manager?03:39
ferret_0568I am referring to the actual NetworkManager daemon interfaces file03:39
ferret_0568nm-applet does not control that03:39
Exienferret_0568, Yeah its /etc/network/interfaces03:40
Exienferret_0568, No it doesn't03:40
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AdministratorXExien is correct, that is the path to the file03:40
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yagami_Hello, all- i am having trouble downloading packages even after I run apt-get update. it says the packages werent found.03:41
ferret_0568Well, ath0 isn't in there, it's a Cardbus wireless card03:41
yagami_what gives? and yeah, am using a feisty image about 2 weeks old03:41
Exienferret_0568, That means it isn't configured correctly. Is it enabled from the network manager?03:42
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finalbetaDoes Feisty have a nice Face browser now? I know the composite browser was deferred. But a normal one?03:42
jonahhi guys, i wanted to try the vmware beta but it's download is an rpm, what command do i use with alien to convert it to deb?03:42
ferret_0568I'm using NM to control it now03:42
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ferret_0568It's working with automatic NetworkManager config03:43
Exienferret_0568, oh weird... i don't know then :(03:43
Exienferret_0568, can you find it if you run ifconfig03:43
mipsok, no more GAG, now I need to add openbsd to grub03:43
Exienferret_0568, or iwconfig?03:43
ferret_0568No wireless errors, my connection is not bad03:44
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yagami_errr....some help? please :)  - i am having trouble downloading packages for feisty- doing an update even now. i've downloaded most of the packages. its just that several of them are giving me trouble03:44
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shirishyagami_: what sort of trouble are u getting?03:45
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ferret_0568btw, if you want to fix your DPI, if it's not the correct one or one that you want, you can add "-dpi <dpi>" to the end of the X server command line in GDM.03:45
yagami_well, packages arent being found- but can't proceed with upgrade if I don't install them. unless of course, i use --ignore-missing. dont think thats a good idea.03:45
shirishyagami_: ok, have u looked at what the software sources are saying? System > Administration > Software Sources03:46
ferret_0568I fixed mine that way, my DPI was something like 120-135, now it's 9603:46
ferret_0568It's a lot better now03:46
shirishyagami_: check that all except Source Code are checked & reload03:47
ferret_0568How do I print all the lines after a certain string in a text file?03:47
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yagami_yeah, shirish - i have that unchecked. its just that i am unable to download this http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz when i do apt-get update03:48
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ferret_0568I have a marker in dpkg.log for the start of KDE package installation, and I want to print all lines after that. I know how to print just the package column in dpkg.log, if you want it03:49
shirishyagami_: why are u using us mirror, use the main server, I believe the main server is in England03:49
shirishyagami_: sometimes there might be duplicate entries in /etc/sources.list which garbles things03:49
shirishyagami_: hence whenever u run into problems, go to main mirror, reload (or do apt-get update or aptitude update) and then upgrade03:50
yagami_ok, i think its working now, shirish - doing upgrade and its on the get#2 so i'll check and see if the problem recurs. thanks, shirish03:50
shirishyagami_: cool :)03:50
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ferret_0568How I print just the package column in dpkg.log: cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep <date> | grep <time> | grep <state, usually "installed"> | cut -d\  -f503:52
fulat2k8499me bad... my root fs got filled up.  couldn't login {H}03:53
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ferret_0568I guess I could just use a text editor and copy all the lines after my KDE marker03:53
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bsniderwhich version of madwifi is feisty using?03:54
shirishferret_0568: I guess that is the easiest way, grep is not my best friend lol03:54
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ferret_0568Mine neither03:54
ferret_0568You ever try Seahorse?03:54
ferret_0568It's great! It's a GNOME frontend for gpg03:55
ferret_0568Wow, 10110 lines in that dpkg.log file03:56
ferret_0568I could have used wc -l, to find that out\03:56
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Pollywogwhat is xorg module wfb?03:57
Pollywognvidia will not load because module wfb is missing03:58
Pollywogbut such a module is not mentioned in my xorg.conf03:58
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Pollywogis nvidia broken for everyone in Feisty or just me?03:58
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phaidrosPollywog: seems you are alone right now ;)04:04
ferret_0568I have packages in a file like this:04:05
ferret_0568I want to put a " \" after every package04:06
ferret_0568If you notice, there's one package to a line04:06
ferret_0568There is 761 lines in that file04:06
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flamebirdI enabled the desktop effects the windows wobble and everything but the cube doesnt rotate!04:10
Tm_T"I changed tires and pumped gas but engine is still broken"04:11
Tm_Tflamebird: well how did you try to rotate it?04:13
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flamebirdTm_T, yep04:13
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flamebirdTm_T, where is the compiz setting stored?04:14
Tm_Tno idea04:14
ExienFor some reason my DNS doesn't work correctly. Everytime I make a connection with a local machine it breaks the DNS on my computer so that no names get resolved. Yet if I find the IP adderss and connect to that (such as I am doing to connect to this irc server) it works fine. I'm not sure why it does this. Could someone help me? :(04:15
gnomefreakflamebird: you might wanna try in #ubuntu-effects04:15
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flamebirdok gnomefreak04:15
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PollywogI can't get VMware to work with kernel 2.6.20 where can I get sources for 2.6.17 for feisty?04:17
Pollywogoh I think I have them on my laptop04:18
Pollywogoh yes I have edgy source on another machine :)04:18
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Nghow should one go about debugging broken audio in feisty?04:24
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yagami_does anyone know what OWA path is when configuring an exchange mail server on evolution?04:27
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AdministratorXNg: I have sound problem on my son's laptop. It seems to be a kernel bug however. 2.6.20-8 works while 2.6.20-15 does not04:28
askarfeisty will be released with a lot of bugs, right?04:29
AdministratorXNg: So check to make sure it is not a kernel bug....04:29
NgAdministratorX: I've tried -14 and -15 and it's broken04:30
Ngit was definitely fine last night, but I forget if that was still in -1304:30
ExienFor some reason my DNS doesn't work correctly. Everytime I make a connection with a local machine it breaks the DNS on my computer so that no names get resolved. Yet if I find the IP adderss and connect to that (such as I am doing to connect to this irc server) it works fine. I'm not sure why it does this. Could someone help me? :(04:30
dystopianrayaskar: what makes you say that?04:31
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askardystopianray:it was more of a question.. there is a lot of bugs that is not solved reported to launchpad.. It seems like they are just fixing the very serious bugs?04:34
LeeJunFananyone know why feisty would be overwriting my X config?04:34
dystopianrayaskar: only release critical bugs are being fixed in time for the release04:34
askardystopianray: so the final release will be an operatingsystem full of bugs in other words? >_o (not critical but still)04:35
dystopianrayaskar: no04:36
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dystopianrayaskar: are there particular bugs on launchpad that you are concerned about?04:36
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zdzichuBGdystopianray: there are such bugs04:39
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dystopianrayzdzichuBG: what?04:39
zdzichuBGserious issues which won't be fixed for feisty release04:39
syockWhile trying Feisty, my PC wakes up from  shutdown on mouse event. This behaviour is unexpected. How do I go about making it shutdown properly?04:39
dystopianrayzdzichuBG: yes i know but that doesn't mean it's going to be horrible and filled with bugs04:40
ZuphHey guys.  I'm trying to get wpa_supplicant to work in feisty, and I keep getting the error "Failed to initialize control interface."  The "ctrl_interface" line in my config file is set to /var/run/wpa_supplicant.04:40
Tomcat_syock: I think that's a BIOS issue...04:40
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TuxRoxI have 7.04 daily build from the 15th up and running. I have one issue that is really bothering me. I can not add new applications or commands to the Sessions --> Start Up dialog. Well, I can add them, but next time I open the Session dialog, they are gone. Any ideas?04:40
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zoooundsAnyone here that can help me with my broken upgrade? It wont boot. I htink it has with my soft raid and/or lvm to do.04:41
syockOkay, will try to look into BIOS settings. How did it change anyway04:41
askardystopianray: well the one I reported especially ofcourse..but it seems like there are little trouble everywhere? not for everyone but..04:41
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dystopianrayaskar: there are bugs that aren't release critical which will be fixed as updates after the release04:42
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askardystopianray: ok..so if I want to increase the chanse to get a bugfree system I should wait until 19 may?04:43
dystopianrayaskar: what's happening on may 19?04:43
askardystopianray: a month after final release :)04:44
dystopianrayaskar: sure, if that makes you feel better04:44
askardystopianray:   how long do you think a bug as mine rated as medium will take to solve? :o04:45
dystopianrayaskar: what bug is it?04:46
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poorenglish_bugfree and system are incompatible words04:46
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askardystopianray:  #10615704:47
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shirishdystopianray: are u on feisty now?04:48
dystopianrayshirish: yes04:48
shirishhey Hidan :p04:48
Hidanshirish: hey how are you? btw, it seems my psu took out my hdd too.04:49
shirishok cool, can u find out about the xfonts-terminus04:49
shirishHidan: dang, now don't let me tell you, told u so04:49
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Hidanshirish: PSU says... "If I can't bring down your system!!!! I'm going to take down your hdds too!"04:50
Hidanshirish: yeah oh well, i'm almost done backing up anyways.04:50
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shirishHidan: maybe we can take this conversation into a private room04:50
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Hidanshirish: yeah join #shirish04:50
askardystopianray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/10615704:50
ubotuMalone bug 106157 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Cannot connect with networkmanager in latest kernel" [Medium,Confirmed] 04:50
jttgood morning04:52
dystopianrayaskar: is it only network-manager that doesn't work?04:52
jttnever having upgraded from one release to another i dont know how to do it04:52
jttwhat command do i use to upgrade from edgy to feisty04:53
dystopianray!upgrade | jtt04:53
ubotujtt: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes04:53
jttdystopianray, thanks should had done that myself04:53
shirishdystopianray: lemme know if you are able to install xfonts-terminus & use it, lemme know, some people say its the best thing to use on the gnome-terminal as well as on ttys04:53
dystopianrayshirish: ok give me a few minutes04:54
askardystopianray: hrm well..for some reason it removed some of my settings when I started today? The singleklicksetting was removed..and the standard launchers was added to the topbar (firefox,evolutin and help) and firfox had all its settings and bookmarks removed..And the computer wont shutdown..04:54
shirishdystopianray: sure, take all the time in the world04:54
dystopianrayaskar: this is after you upgraded?04:55
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askardystopianray:  yeah upgraded a while ago..but havent had any updates for a while.. so that cant be the problem04:55
JimmyJo22hi where to download actuall herd version?04:56
dystopianrayJimmyJo22: why do you want to download a herd version?04:56
JimmyJo22dystopianray: what else?04:56
dystopianrayJimmyJo22: you can get the release candidate now04:56
askarJimmyJo22: final tommorow :)04:56
JimmyJo22oh ok04:57
dystopianrayJimmyJo22: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/04:57
JimmyJo22is it ok to load actuall rc and update to full ? i cant wait any more!04:57
zoooundswhich install cd should I use if I want to install Ubuntu (intel) on a software raid?04:57
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dystopianrayJimmyJo22: yes it is fine, the rc is unlikely to be changed before the release04:57
JimmyJo22i think the different between daily built and release is not very huge ore?04:58
JimmyJo22dystopianray: i think, too04:58
dystopianrayJimmyJo22: you can use rsync to quickly update the iso to the release if it does end up different04:58
askardystopianray: though that was a strange behaviour for a final release  : o04:58
JimmyJo22dystopianray: iam going to do a d-u tomorrow that would be enough ore?04:59
dystopianrayaskar: yes it was, i've never herad of that happening before04:59
dystopianrayJimmyJo22: d-u? ore?04:59
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JimmyJo22dist-upgrade or? (sorry for my bad english)04:59
zoooundsseems like I am the only one running raid here...04:59
dystopianrayJimmyJo22: oh, yeah that would be enough04:59
askardystopianray: was edgy like this when it was released?04:59
JimmyJo22oh great! thanks for help05:00
dystopianrayaskar: I don't know, i only started using ubuntu a month or so ago05:00
shirishaksar: what do u mean by edgy was like this when released?05:00
phaidroshm, I wonder why they release already, alot of bug still in :/05:01
askarshirish: was it as buggy as feisty is when it was released?05:01
phaidroshundreds of netbook users will run into the channels to complain about no sound after hibernation, failing sleep and all such05:01
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nomasteryodaer, shirish from my experience yes..05:02
shirishaskar: every release whether its ubuntu or any distro (even windows) will have some bugs05:02
nomasteryodaer askar it was05:02
shirishthe point is some will be upfront about it, while some will hide it in small print in the release notes05:02
askarshirish: yeah ofcourse..but I mean.. Im unable to shutdown my computer? :S05:02
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phaidrosaskar: there is always a power plug, lol05:03
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shirishaskar: that is a serious show-stopper better report it05:03
askarshirish: oh ok05:03
dystopianrayI don't think that is considered a show-stopper05:04
dystopianrayI'm pretty sure it's only going to be important at this stage if it prevents you from installing or booting05:04
shirishdystopianray: I know, but its a serious thing05:04
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shirishdystopianray: any progress on the xfonts-terminus thing?05:06
shirishnomasteryoda: what are u using?05:06
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whitehawkwhere, and how can I manage my wireless connections taht I added and was not discovered?05:09
nomasteryodamy fonts shirish ?05:09
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shirishnomasteryoda: more than that ubuntu or kubuntu?05:09
nomasteryodaoh, i installed ubuntu then "upgraded" to kubuntu05:09
nomasteryodaor apt-get install kubuntu-desktop05:10
nomasteryodalove it05:10
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shirishI hate KDE05:10
nomasteryodaJust saw on the Ubuntu Forums ... REPOS are Frozen... sweet05:10
dystopianrayi love KDE05:10
|NewUser|damn its slow05:10
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nomasteryodawe're getting so close now...05:10
nomasteryoda|NewUser|, i have 2gb of ram05:11
nomasteryodakde is fast05:11
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dystopianrayi just tested my suspend to ram and it's working like a champ05:11
Dr_willisI got 1 gb of ram and kde is quite quick for me.05:11
|NewUser|nomasteryoda:  i have just 700mb05:11
askarok bug reported05:11
nomasteryodayea, can be...05:11
nomasteryodai like fluxbox for such times05:11
nomasteryodaand gnome05:11
dystopianraygnome uses more resources than kde05:12
|NewUser|love beryl just :p05:12
Dr_willissounds like my laptop - the video card sucks out most of the ram. Till i turned it down to 64mb in the bios.05:12
|NewUser|not familiar with beryl much.. but i love 3d05:12
nomasteryodadystopianray, that's amazing... used to be kde was the hog05:12
nomasteryodawhat?.. i have 8MB video Ram... that is my max... and beryl rocks on it... not like my nvidia desktop, but very good05:13
dystopianrayit's probably biased, but there is a comparison here: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html05:13
nomasteryodaimpresses lots of windows users into wanting/getting ubuntu05:13
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pcybillgnome is a bit of a hog isnt it lol05:14
CarinArreverything is zip zip fast for me lately with 2gb of ram and 512 mb of video ram05:14
CarinArrwell everything but vista05:14
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zaggynlare the repo's down? I can't update05:15
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holycowhey guys05:15
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pcybillI think the repos are frozen  zaggynl05:16
holycowi have feisty on this laptop and it seems to hang the box at 100% cpu intermittently05:16
holycowany suggestions on a tool i can use to track down what might be spiking th cpu like that to hang the system?05:16
holycowhaven't been able to track down the process05:16
billyholycow, "top" command in terminal.05:16
dystopianrayholycow: is it hung or just really slow?05:16
zaggynlhtop for better looking05:17
holycowuh no05:17
holycowthe system is hung05:17
holycownothing responds05:17
holycowi.e. top doesn't work05:17
zaggynlI get 'E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) \n E: Unable to lock the list directory" when attempting to use 'sudo apt-get update'05:17
shirishok if anybody had success using xfonts-terminus please lemme know, I've been unable to use it05:17
holycowdystopianray, totally hung for about 30 seconds at a time05:17
JimmyJo22can i use VirtualBox for edgy under Fasty?05:17
holycowmouse moves but no apps responds including desktop05:17
dystopianrayJimmyJo22: should be able to05:17
billyzaggynl, mine was doing that yesterday.  reboot fixed it.05:18
JimmyJo22what kernel comes with faisty?05:18
zaggynloh, okay billy05:18
dystopianrayJimmyJo22: 2.6.2005:18
stdinJimmyJo22: no, because it needs to install some kernel modules, which won't work on the feisty kernel (2.6.20)05:18
PiciJimmyJo22: 2.6.2005:18
billyzaggynl, real quick, see if dd is doing anything.05:18
JimmyJo22oh ok stdin05:19
zaggynlbilly, I don't see a process named 'dd'05:19
dystopianrayshirish: terminus works fine here, kinda looks crappy though05:19
JimmyJo22is there an alternetive?05:19
shirishdystopianray: ok tell me how did u do it?05:19
stdinJimmyJo22: you could compile it yourself05:19
zaggynl'root      4695  0.0  0.0   1792   524 ?        Ss   16:34   0:00 /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg'05:19
billyzaggynl, ok.  dd was doing "something" when I was having that same error, though I didn't start dd.05:19
dystopianrayshirish: apt-get install xfonts-terminus05:19
dystopianrayshirish: then restarted X and then used it in konsole05:19
shirishI rebooted but still can't see it gnome-terminal05:20
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`anthonyanyone got suggestions for a feedreader in feisty? My previous choice, liferea, has been utterly wrecked in the upgrade - it no longer works worth a damn. Yes, I'll be logging a bug report.05:22
dystopianray`anthony: akregator05:23
`anthonydystopianray: will try that one next. just tried 'blam'. it blew out to over a gig of memory trying to import a 200 entry OPML file. Win.05:25
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billyanyone know where the "shutdown" button icon is kept ?05:28
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billyi'm wanting to put a "shutdown" button on my panel.05:28
dystopianraybilly: in kubuntu?05:28
billydystopianray, ubuntu.05:28
shirishbilly: in ubuntu its add to panel & its there05:28
dystopianraybilly: doesn't gnome have a shutdown icon on the panel by default?05:29
billydystopianray, yeah, it's in totally the wrong spot though.05:29
billyshirish, you're right.  "Quit".05:29
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zaggynlgah, can't get my microphone to work in feisty05:29
billyuh, nope.  that's not it, after all.  Might as well use System drop down menu with that.05:30
nomasteryodazaggynl, have you checked the console?... try running alsamixer to see if the input is muted05:32
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zaggynlwhen I used krecord and check log, it spikes when I breathe/talk05:33
zaggynlcan't playback, 'cause the device or resource is busy'05:33
shirishzaggynl: listen to nomasteryoda05:33
zaggynlunmuted all05:33
zaggynlAh I see, Linux fails at software mixing, or I fail at configuring.05:34
zaggynlOnly one app allowed for my el cheapo audigy.05:34
nomasteryodanow if you are using the oss drivers, then you might be able to do more than one...05:35
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nomasteryodaaudio on linux is getting better...05:35
zaggynlyeah, my soundcard isn't very well supported it seems, I'll go back to my onboard via05:35
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nomasteryodai can play different movies or music with different players and they all work...05:35
nomasteryodaand make sound05:36
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zaggynlthat works...most of the time05:37
dystopianrayaudigy should be able to do hardware mixing05:37
zaggynlskype for instance won't work, I can only hear the other, he can't hear me05:37
nomasteryodait should...05:37
crimsundystopianray: not all audigys. Many are rebranded & crippled.05:37
nomasteryodaah, ,well skype has its own issues...05:37
zaggynlI have a ca010605:37
crimsunca0106 is crippled. It is utterly incapable of hardware pcm multiplexing.05:38
zaggynlyes, that's what I understood, so I have to figure out how to get software mixing going05:38
zaggynlsigh, all them daemons05:38
crimsunzaggynl: it's enabled by default.05:38
crimsun$ dpkg -L libasound2|grep cards/CA005:38
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nomasteryodazaggynl, i know at least in the US you can "dumpster dive" behind good computer repair stores to get parts... such as audio cards05:39
nomasteryodai have like 10 differnent models05:39
nomasteryodasoundblaster live, etc...05:40
dystopianrayi fished my microphone out of a bin at uni05:40
dystopianrayit was still in the box05:40
zaggynlI have a sennheiser pc150 and audigy ls05:41
zaggynlzero problems in wintendo and gaming there :(05:41
zaggynlI can launch rhythmbox and xmms, and they can play at the same time, recording just isn't going to work05:42
zaggynlI have to close every single app that makes sound05:42
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st9Hi all. I am running ubuntu 7.04b and my laptop fan is always-on even at 0% cpu. What could be causing this?05:42
dystopianrayst9: the beta?05:42
dystopianrayst9: is cpu frequency scaling working?05:43
st9yes it was todays build05:43
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st9dystopianray: how can I check that?05:44
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dystopianrayst9: if you hover over the battery icon does it show the cpu frequency as dynamic and the bar is half or so?05:46
st9dystopianray: In Gnome I do not see that, the laptop is running on AC power. However I disconnected the power supply and the fan stopped. cpu usage is very low still05:47
dystopianrayst9: oh gnome's battery power thing doesn't show the cpu frequency?05:48
st9dystopianray: no05:48
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Patizivsst9: What brand is your laptop?05:49
st9Patizivs: vaio FJ05:49
dystopianrayst9: run $ cat /proc/cpuinfo and compare the frequency it reports to what your cpus maximum frequency should be05:49
cablesI heard that the restricted drivers manager doesn't let you change xorg.conf and still use it. Is this true?05:49
st9dystopianray: cpu MHz reports 798 MHz, but the model is a is 1.73 GHz cpu05:50
dystopianrayst9: ok, so frequency scaling is working05:51
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st9dystopianray: when I connect the AC Power, cpu MHz jumps to 1729 MHz05:51
dystopianrayst9: ah it sounds like it's using the performance governor when the ac is plugged in05:52
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Patizivsst9: that is ok because to save energy cpu frew is reduced when in battery mode05:53
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st9dystopianray, Patizivs: ah I understand, is at kernel level? How can I reconfigure this?05:54
dystopianrayst9: well in kubuntu i just click on the battery level and I can configure the ac and battery scaling governors, not sure how to do it in ubuntu05:55
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johnnybuoyhi all!05:56
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johnnybuoydoes anyone know of a tool that can create image files from audio CDs05:56
dystopianrayjohnnybuoy: dd05:56
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johnnybuoythe powa of dd05:56
dystopianrayjohnnybuoy: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso05:56
johnnybuoydystopianray, do you know a frontend?05:57
dystopianrayjohnnybuoy: gnome-terminal05:57
Toxicity999why a front end when he just gave you a command to paste in =P05:57
st9dystopianray: i see ok, thanks for your help05:57
johnnybuoydystopianray, the problem is that iso files can't contain more than one audio tracks05:57
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dystopianrayjohnnybuoy: well it won't really be an iso, it'll just be a dump of whatever is on the cd05:57
johnnybuoybecause it's for my dad, and I'm not sure he will like the idea of doing this in command-line05:58
dystopianrayjohnnybuoy: why? a frontend is just going to horribly complicate it05:58
johnnybuoydystopianray, and then you think I can burn it as an iso?05:58
marcotHello, I'm trying to configure in preffered apps to use firefox as the default browser opening in new tab, and the command that preffered apps is showing is: firefox -remote "openurl(%s,new-tab)"05:58
dystopianrayjohnnybuoy: you should be able to burn it05:59
marcotWhen I click in a link I got: Error: Failed to send command: 500 command not parseable05:59
marcotI tried marcot@quindinho:~$ firefox -remote "openurl(www.google.com,new-tab)"05:59
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marcotBut I got the same error mesasge.05:59
johnnybuoydystopianray, thx, I'll try..05:59
zaggynlCookies to the one who can get my mic recording to work!06:00
marcotActually, when I click on a link it works.06:00
dystopianrayjohnnybuoy: there are probably frontends for it, but using a gui frontend for something so trivial is ridiculous06:00
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marcotBut when I run ubuntu-bug, it gives this message.06:00
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marcotAnd when I run by hand.06:01
marcotAny ideas?06:01
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Lurky2000hi people... anyone have positive experiences with 3D on ATI Mobility 9600 laptop drivers?06:01
Lurky2000..on 7.0406:02
crdlbLurky2000, that should work fine in feisty06:02
crdlbthe r300 driver in feisty is pretty good06:02
crdlbhave you tried it?06:02
Lurky2000hmmm.. well... I can see the screen (it's what I'm using now at least...)06:02
crdlbwhat does: glxinfo|grep direct06:02
Lurky2000... but I dont think there's any accelaration going on06:02
Lurky2000let's see...06:02
Lurky2000one sec06:02
Lurky2000direct rendering: No06:03
Lurky2000OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect06:03
crdlbLurky2000, did you try installing the proprietary drivers?06:03
Lurky2000not very well I guess06:04
crdlbyou need to remove them06:04
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crdlbsudo apt-get --purge remove xorg-driver-fglrx06:04
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superkirbyartistWhat time is Ubuntu released?06:04
Lurky2000kk.. one sec then :)06:04
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Toxicity999superkirbyartist whenever the image testing starts/ends06:04
spheardhello oom06:04
|Pollywog|what do these errors signify?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16262/06:05
superkirbyartistToxicity999 any clue when that is?06:05
johnnybuoydystopianray, yes, I'm fine with dd, but my father I'm not sure06:05
Toxicity999superkirbyartist Sometime tomorrow =P never set in stone06:05
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Lurky2000crdlb: so that's all I need to do ?06:05
superkirbyartistWhat's new?06:05
Toxicity999usually it takes the whole day to test though, especially if any fail.06:05
spheardI have just installed 6.10, I want to upgrade to feisty, is dist-upgrade good for this?06:05
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Toxicity999so generally late at night.06:05
crdlbLurky2000, assuming you didn't modify your xorg.conf06:05
dystopianrayjohnnybuoy: you think he is not smart enough to type a dozen characters into a terminal?06:05
Lurky2000I just added the COmposite thing06:06
ubotuMalone bug 96503 in apport "does not open Firefox" [Undecided,Needs info] 06:06
Pollywog_spheard: no06:06
crdlbLurky2000, pastebin it06:06
crdlb(your xorg.conf)06:06
marcotI found a little about this problem here, but it doesn't give any answer.06:06
Lurky2000umm... what does that mean (sorry..)06:06
spheardPollywog_:do I need a disk?06:06
Pollywog_spheard: no, use the procedure in the topic06:06
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Pollywog_I could not get vmware to work with the feisty kernel06:08
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Pollywog_anyone else have the same problem?06:08
Lurky2000ok... I'll try... though I only really changed the one place from "ati" to "fglrx", and added the Composite thing at the end06:08
spheardPollywog_:thats just about testing iso images06:08
Pollywog_spheard: oh they changed it since yesterday then06:08
crdlbLurky2000, ok remove the composite thing and change fglrx back to ati06:08
Lurky2000ok :)06:09
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st9dystopianray: Frequency Scaling Monitor applet for gnome works. Had to chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector for it to be selectable. ty again06:09
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Pollywog_spheard: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades06:09
Lurky2000do I need to completely delete all the ati stuff I installed in /etc/ati?06:09
crdlbin /etc/ati?06:09
Lurky2000it couldn't remove the directory06:10
crdlbwhat guide did you use?06:10
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Lurky2000god knows.. I think I used about 3 different ones06:10
crdlbyou mean apt did that automatically?06:10
Pollywog_on one machine the Feisty upgrade worked but on another, I had problems with Samba and Nvidia06:10
Lurky2000yup.. apt told me it couldn't remove that directory06:10
Pollywog_but I don't know where to report the problems06:10
crdlbLurky2000, it should be ok as long as you purged xorg-driver-fglrx06:10
Lurky2000(via apt, right?)06:10
Lurky2000or there's a special purge command?06:11
Pollywog_I suspect the problems with Samba and Nvidia are already documented06:11
crdlbLurky2000, sudo apt-get --purge remove06:11
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Lurky2000crdlb: done.. will reboot and rejoin... thanks in the meantime06:12
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jonahhi guys i'm running vmware, i've got windows xp running in it on top of ubuntu., do i need to install virus protection still on windows even though it's just in vmware? may sound like a silly quesiton but i'm unsure?06:16
aaroncampbellHow can I get the temperatures from my HDDs via Kubuntu Feisty06:16
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elmargolaaroncampbell: apt-cache search hddtemp06:16
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dystopianrayjonah: you can, if you want your vm to have virus protection06:17
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Dr_willisI cant even get vmware working under Feisty at this time06:17
pollywog_same here06:17
Lurky2000back... what was that fxlrginfo command again?06:17
pollywog_I got it working with kernel 2.6.17 though06:18
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Lurky2000oh... I dont have that command anymore06:18
jonahok and what is best free antivirus? avast home?06:18
pollywog_Dr_willis: you might try the older kernel06:18
pollywog_worked for me06:18
Dr_willisjonah,  i find them all lacking. :) i perfer the 'avg' free version they got an anti-spyware tool also thats free06:18
greg_gLurky2000: glxinfo|grep direct06:19
pollywog_anti-spyware tool for Linux?06:19
Dr_willisPollywog,  no for his XP in vmware machine. :)06:19
jonahok thanks06:19
Lurky2000hmm.. says: Direct Rendering:Yes06:19
greg_gright on then06:19
Lurky2000but google earth is as slow as mollasses06:20
greg_gyou are golden06:20
Dr_willismake: *** [vmmon.ko]  Error 2    Unable to build the vmmon module.06:20
pollywog_that is the same error I got with 2.6.20 kernel06:20
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Lurky2000I had it WAY smoother under 6.10 at some stage in the distant past :(06:20
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pollywog_Nvidia is broken in Feisty also06:20
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superkirbyartistEverything is broken in Feisty.06:21
Dr_willisPollywog,  it is? i got nvidia working great on my 2 machines06:21
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superkirbyartistThat means no Beryl, no GnomeSword.06:21
Lurky2000I actually managed to get my WiFi with WPA to work06:21
Lurky2000amazing :)06:21
Dr_willisi just had to install nvidia-glx, or nvidia-glx-new, and edit the nv line to be 'nvidia' :)06:21
crdlbLurky2000, I guess fglrx is your only choice06:21
pollywog_yes but that is the same problem I have] 06:22
Dr_willisNOW it did mess up when it made the xconfig itself however. so i had to fix that.06:22
crdlbif the free drivers are being slow06:22
pollywog_nvidia driver won't work, nv works06:22
jonahok guys, and when i use photoshop or whatever in xp, how do i save files across to ubuntu?06:22
Lurky2000so how do I get that then? just use apt-get?06:22
crdlbI can run google earth fine on my 7500 so something is wrong06:22
crdlbLurky2000, this is the right guide:06:22
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:22
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots06:22
stdinDr_willis: I had to edit the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-(VERSION)-generic/include/linux/version.h file to have "#define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.20-(VERSION)-generic" " for it to work here (replacing (VERSION) with the release number)06:22
Dr_willisnvidia drivers seem to work here.. Nvidia 6800 and a 5500 in othe rmachine.06:22
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bob - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:22
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)06:23
Lurky2000gotcha.. I'll check it out... thanks crdlb, greg etc06:23
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Dr_willisstdin,  ok.. so whats the 'relase' # exactly.. lets see... Linux  2.6.20-15-generic06:23
superkirbyartistsudo apt-get remove apt06:24
superkirbyartistDon't try this at home.06:24
Lurky2000btw... to go from ubuntu to kubuntu it's just like apt-get kubuntu-desktop?06:24
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stdinDr_willis: that's why i installed the vmware-server, the modules are in a package06:24
crdlbLurky2000, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop06:24
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Lurky2000gotcha.. thanks crdlb06:24
BluesKajLurky2000, you the prprietary fglrx ATI driver to get direct rendering ,so you can run google earth06:25
Lurky2000I downloaded that 50+Meg file from ati's site.. .you mean those?06:25
BluesKajget the proprietary driver.. scuse my spelling06:25
crdlbLurky2000, use the apt-get method06:25
Lurky2000kk crd06:25
Dr_willisstdin,  i thought i installed that package as well.. perhaps i missed somthing obvious.06:26
Lurky2000back eventually :P06:26
crdlbfglrx needs patches to work in 2.6.2006:26
Lurky2000...and tha'ts taken care off with apt-get?06:26
crdlbjust follow the entire guide06:27
Lurky2000will do - cya all later.. thanks guys :)06:27
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pollywog_I wonder if I can fix the nvidia problem if I build from source06:28
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Dr_willisAha!  http://linuxn00b.wordpress.com/2007/03/31/installing-vmware-server-on-feisty/06:34
aaroncampbellDr_willis: I use VMWare Workstation, and it seems you MUST use version 6 (beta) with feisty...which also seems to be unstable.06:36
aaroncampbellAt first I thought it was Beryl causing freezing, but as it turns out, I can run Beryl for days and days as long as I don't have Workstation running06:36
pollywog_I am running kernel 2.6.17 in Feisty and vmware works06:37
pollywog_it won't work with the kernel that comes in Feisty06:37
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pollywog_vmware Workstation 5.x06:38
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andy_hello there, I'm using compiz to enable some nice desktop effects. Now, I want to configure it the way, that when I press the middle mouse button, all windows get "scrambled" on the screen. When I'm in the Compiz Preferences and press the shortcut, it somehow doesn't work. I can press the middle mouse button but nothing happens.06:39
Dr_williswell vmware server is now working here.06:39
Dr_willison  2.6.20-15-generic06:40
pollywog_I could not get it to work in generic06:40
aaroncampbellPollywog: I see, I have whatever the most current kernel that Feisty updates to06:41
pollywog_2.6.20-15-386 and 2.6.17 here06:41
aaroncampbellI don't even know what that is06:41
pollywog_maybe I need to get some headers rather than source06:42
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pollywog_and Nvidia is broken, I can get by with "nv" driver for now06:42
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aaroncampbellPollywog: why is nVidia broke?06:43
pollywog_it won't start and gives me some error about not loading wfb06:44
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pollywog_I Googled and it is a known issue06:44
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aaroncampbellpollywog_: I had that...I posted a temporary fix in the bug06:44
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pollywog_is the fix to use nv?06:45
zerothisif upgrading to feisty is a disaster on my system. is it easy to undo?06:45
pollywog_I think trying to undo it could be a secondary disaster06:46
pollywog_if you run vmware or nvidia I advise against the upgrade06:46
pollywog_and if you run Samba, remove it before the upgrade06:46
pollywog_and install it after the upgrade is done06:47
aaroncampbellpollywog_: no, basically, you download the drivers from nVidia, extract them rather than install them, grab the files you need...06:47
pollywog_aaroncampbell: oic06:47
spheardum, trying to upgrade using update-manage-core but couldnt find package........06:47
aaroncampbellI'm looking for the link, but I have so many launchpad links in my history :|06:47
zerothisPollywog: well, i'm running all 3. that kind of settles things06:48
slytherinzerothis: 1. It is not going to be disaster. 2. It is not easy to undo. 3. It is easy to fix.06:48
Dr_willisHmm.. Well i now have nvidia working, and samba working, and vmware working. :)06:49
Dr_willisof course this is on a clean install..06:49
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pollywog_samba broke the install for me06:51
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pollywog_I was able to continue it with dpkg --configure -a   after removing samba06:51
pollywog_then I reinstalled samba06:51
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pollywog_but I still recommend the upgrade if you have a backup machine06:52
BluesKaji don't understand the fascination with VMWare ..why not just dual boot06:53
aaroncampbellpollywog_: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/9864106:53
pollywog_I had some problem with Tor also, I don't know if I fixed that, I need to check06:53
ubotuMalone bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "NVidia driver missing libwfb" [Undecided,Confirmed] 06:53
pollywog_aaroncampbell: ty06:53
zaggynlIs there a channel for sound issues?06:53
Dr_willisim still not sure what samba was doing oddly. but its working now for me.06:53
zerothiswell, if i only used my notebook for myself i'd do it. but i need it for work also. i'll wait for vacation time06:53
pollywog_Dual booting is a hassle unless it is for playing a game06:54
pollywog_I want to use Quicken and a couple of other things without having to dual boot, also sometimes I need IE06:54
pollywog_yeah yeah Quicken runs on WINE06:54
ha978hey is it safe to install the release candidate now then just grab updates?06:55
BluesKajheh, like i said , if you insist on VMware and wine ,, what not just run windows ?06:55
zerothisPollywog: i disagree, Dual booting is a hassle for games also06:55
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slytherinha978: Yes, it is safe06:57
Lurky2000thanks guys, Google-Earth's working great now06:57
ha978thanks sly06:58
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Dr_willisI use vmware to run windows98 for the wife. :) that way she cant trash the whole pc.06:58
pollywog_Lurky2000: no molasses?06:58
Lurky2000whoooooosh more like06:58
Dr_willisjust her own copy of the vmware-98 setup. that i have backed up06:58
Lurky2000(on google earth at least :P )06:58
Lurky2000next project... getting beryl or one of those cool things to work :)06:58
pollywog_Dr_willis: does she know?06:59
Dr_willisPollywog,  yep. she took a little learning that shes on a 'computer in a computer' :)06:59
Lurky2000...or should I just give upon that with an ATI?06:59
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Dr_willisshe did learn to 'snapshot' her vmware session - to save her solitare game befor shutting down the pc.06:59
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AyabaraIs acrobat reader not in the repos for Feisty?07:00
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slytherinLurky2000: Which ATI?07:00
slytherinAyabara: why do you need it when you have evince?07:00
Lurky2000slyth: radeon mobility R350, 960007:00
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phaidrosLurky2000: that one work nice with xorg's ati driver07:00
slytherinLurky2000: You can try with non-Free drivers at your own risk07:01
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phaidrosLurky2000: even 3d accelerated. except some functions07:01
Lurky2000I haven't even tried Beryl on my own yet.. so I dont want to bother you all yet :P07:01
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slytherinphaidros: I didn't know that07:01
phaidrosLurky2000: beryl works with xorgs driver on the same card here07:01
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Ayabaraslytherin, because I like acroread better :-)07:01
phaidrosslytherin: up to a certain model xorgs ati driver is very powerful07:01
Lurky2000hmmm... the xorg driver was really slow though07:02
slytherinAyabara: have you added commercial repositories?07:02
phaidrosLurky2000: its not here07:02
ha978llink to rls candidate please? cant find it07:02
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phaidrosLurky2000: I paste you my xorg.conf, ok?07:02
slytherinha978: Just doenload a daily cd from cdimages.ubuntu.com07:02
JimmyJo22how to change resolution up to 1280x800?? in my menu i can only go up to 1024x768!07:03
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slytherinJimmyJo22: is yours a widescreen monitor?07:04
Ayabaraslytherin, yes07:04
phaidrosLurky2000: http://pastie.caboo.se/5471507:04
slytherinAyabara: then it might just not be there yet.07:04
Lurky2000hmmm... when I try to run System/Preferences/Desktop Effects I get a "The Composite extensions is not available" error07:04
Lurky2000thnx phaidros07:04
phaidrosLurky2000: its for thinkpad with 1400x1050 lcd07:04
Ayabaraslytherin, ok07:05
JimmyJo22slytherin: 15,4 laptop monitor07:05
JimmyJo22whats that? ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave07:05
phaidrosLurky2000: see the config.07:05
Lurky2000I'm on an AOpen 1551 thing... sec07:05
phaidrosat the bottom there is composite enabled07:05
slytherinJimmyJo22: Can we solve one problem at a time please?07:05
JimmyJo22yes sorry07:05
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Lurky2000phaidros: I noticed that - how comes it works?07:06
slytherinJimmyJo22: Which graphics card?07:06
phaidrosLurky2000: up to a certain ati model the xorg ati driver is capable of doing it :)07:06
phaidrosthe coder invested lots of time in tha module07:07
Lurky2000phaidros: so you're using the xorg driver... think it would work with 9600 mobility?07:07
JimmyJo22mom x-restart!07:08
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Lurky2000phaidros: does google earth run smoothly on your setup?07:08
phaidrosLurky2000: ATI Technologies Inc M10 NT [FireGL Mobility T2]  <= runs with that card here07:08
phaidrosLurky2000: nope07:09
Lurky2000well there you have it then07:09
phaidrosLurky2000: that one of the features the driver is not capable of :(07:09
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ha978are daily build a recompile of everything?07:09
phaidrosLurky2000: ok, for google earth you'd need fglrx then :/07:09
phaidrosha978: nope07:09
JimmyJo22ok i have  fixed it now i have 1280x80007:09
slytherinha978: Recompile of only the packages changed07:09
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slytherinJimmyJo22: How did you do that?07:10
Lurky2000thanks for trying phaidros :)07:10
JimmyJo22slytherin: i change the xorg.conf!07:10
ha978and how come the last daily was on the 15th?07:10
phaidrosslytherin: resoluton must be in the "modes 1400x1050" line in xorg.conf07:10
Lurky2000I wonder if they'll (ATI) ever get their act together though07:10
Lurky2000seems so stupid07:10
JimmyJo22can we go to the alsa problem? i have no sound!07:11
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phaidrosLurky2000: hm, I'm a little dissappointed of not having google earth though, but at least I stay on the Free side :)07:11
slytherinJimmyJo22: Ok. I was about to recommend you package 915resolution if yours was a Intel chipset.07:11
phaidrosLurky2000: ati is worst company ever07:11
phaidrosLurky2000: I hoped it would change since they got bought by AMD .. but nothing so far07:11
JimmyJo22slytherin: for my sound problem?07:11
slytherinphaidros: I am well aware of xorg.conf and it's sections. I just wanted to know his exact problem. :-)07:11
phaidrosslytherin: I pointed at exactly that :)07:12
zdzichuBGslytherin: why 915resolution? modesetting driver is packaged07:12
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slytherinJimmyJo22: Sorry, I don't help with sound problems. They are very difficult to debug over IRC.07:12
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Lurky2000btw Phaidros... is the desktop effects worth it?07:12
slytherinzdzichuBG: Ahh. Didn't know that.07:13
Pollywog_the nvidia solution did not work for me, back to "nv"07:13
phaidrosLurky2000: its nice, but i diasbled it after two days :)07:13
phaidrosoff ..07:13
Lurky2000lol.. how comes?07:13
Lurky2000kk.. sorry.. bon appetite07:13
JimmyJo22does someone knows this fault? ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave07:13
phaidroserm, annoying wobbling :)07:13
zdzichuBGslytherin: it is for feisty, even in two flavours :) (xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting)07:13
phaidrosJimmyJo22: try to use pulseaudio, check through their wiki and ubuntu forums for that error07:13
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phaidrosJimmyJo22: pulseaudio = gnome replacement of esd (sound demon)07:14
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slytherinphaidros: don't solve wrong problem. :-) pulseaudio is not a replacement for ALSA.07:14
mattikis ati drivers still broken because my system said I'm using Mesa?07:14
JimmyJo22phaidros: alsa?07:15
shirishslytherin: what were u saying about 915 resolution?07:15
slytherinshirish: It is for intel cards that support widescreen resolution. something to do with setting modes in video bios07:16
Ngi810-modesetting should remove the need for 915resolution07:16
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jashWill there be many package updates now before feisty is considered stable?07:16
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shirishslytherin: lol Ng just took the things out of my mouth07:17
dystopianraywow i was able to suspend and resume my desktop without any problems, using the nvidia binary, i am impressed!07:17
slytherinNg: shirish: Yes, I didn't know that07:17
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shirishslytherin: that is a cool cool package, Hobbsee was the one who kindly packaged it for the community the day before07:18
slytherinshirish: Ng: Why don't I see that package in repos?07:18
shirishslytherin: its in the universe07:18
phaidroswhich package?07:18
shirishthe intel-video-modesetting package07:18
slytherinshirish: I have all the repos enabled. I can't find it in synaptic. Can you give the name of package exactly?07:18
shirishslytherin: hang on07:18
shirishyup sure07:18
HairulfrMoodetting package... That would rock07:19
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dystopianrayxserver-xorg-video-intel is horrible, i wouldn't recommend it07:19
dystopianraycrashes when changing resolution07:19
dystopianrayvt switching is flakely07:19
bullgard4What is the preferred Gnome program to burn a data DVD and an audio DVD?07:19
dystopianrayslytherin: xserver-xorg-video-intel07:20
Hairulfrbullgard4: Serpentine?07:20
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bullgard4Hairulfr: I thougt, Serpentine is for CDs only. Am I wrong?07:20
akrusdoes someone know where can I download latest version of Qca2?07:20
shirishslytherin: do an apt-cache search xf86-video-intel07:20
slytherinbullgard4: Data DVD can be done form inside nautilus. Otherwise gnomebaker or brasero. No idea for audio DVD. I use devede for video DVD07:20
dystopianrayshirish: the driver is xserver-xorg-video-intel and it's too broken for effective use07:20
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slytherinshirish: dystopianray says the correct package name07:21
bullgard4slytherin: I will investigate further. Thank you.07:21
shirishslytherin: yup he's right07:21
Hairulfrbullgard4: dON'T KNOW, just guessed. I just use the standard one that pops up, ifyou are transferring to windows, be aware that the filenames might end up being screwed07:21
shirishdystopianray: its working fine for me, I haven't tried changing resolution on the fly though as of yet07:21
dystopianrayshirish: try cchanging resolution with xrandr, X will die07:21
slytherinDoes anyone know any tool to combine 2 MPEG1 files in one Theora/Ogg file?07:22
dystopianrayslytherin: ffmpeg should be able to do it07:22
shirishdystopianray: is xandr there by default?07:22
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dystopianrayshirish: yes, it's a terminal app for changing the X resolution07:22
slytherindystopianray: bare ffmpeg doesn't have option for theora encoding. ffmpeg2theora takes too much processor and doesn't accept multiple files.07:22
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slytherindystopianray: Is there any way this can be done with gst-launch?07:23
shirishdystopianray: thankfully its not installed on my machine07:23
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dystopianrayshirish: it should be or your install is broken, it's a standard X component07:23
JimmyJo22when i want to test the soundserver (any) i become the message that the ressource cannot open to write!07:23
ha978does a daily build automaticalyl grab all the feisty updates?07:23
`sam`slytherin, can't you combine the 2 mpeg files and then convert it?07:23
gradini've got an issue with updating, anybody know anything about it?07:23
dystopianrayshirish: and it's not just xrandr that crashes it, any resolution changing, such as playing a game07:24
dystopianrayha978: up to that point, yes07:24
slytherin`sam`: Combine as in using video editor?07:24
shirishdystopianray: I tried just issuing xandr, its not there, I tried looking for a man for xandr its not there.07:24
slytherinha978: yes it does.07:24
ha978then will it grab all future updates as well?07:24
dystopianrayshirish: xrandr, not xandr07:24
slytherinha978: Yes07:24
ha978ok cool thanks07:24
slytheringradin: What is the issue07:24
gradinslytherin: one second i'll post the results of sudo apt-get update07:25
shirishcool ok its there07:25
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:25
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dystopianrayshirish: it can also be used to rotate the screen07:26
gradinslytherin:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16275/07:26
dystopianrayshirish: try this: xrandr -o inverted07:26
shirishdystopianray: I saw that too, there is supposed to be xrandr 1.2 which is supposed to be clear lot of issues07:27
slytheringradin: feisty-backports doesn't exist yet. comment it in /etc/apt/sources.list07:27
dystopianrayshirish: yeah in X.org 7.3, xrandr 1.2 allows for output device hotplug07:27
shirishwe are right now in 1.1 I believe07:28
dystopianrayshirish: that's right07:28
slytheringradin: same for feisty-commercial, feisty-updates, feisty-security07:28
shirishok would do that dystopianray but not right now, all crashing (like) activity at the end of the sessions :p07:28
dystopianrayshirish: start another X session and try it there07:29
`sam`slytherin, i think there's a way to combine 2 mpeg and also convert them to ogg/theora with videolan, but i haven't used it07:29
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shirishdystopianray: how do I start another xsession?07:29
gradinslytherin: heres my sources list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16276/07:29
dystopianrayshirish: well in kde i can go 'kmenu -> switch user -> start new session'07:30
gradincan you tell me what needs to be commented?07:30
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slytherin`sam`: might be. I will try to explore. VLC pulls in abut 13 MB :-(07:30
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_NeilToday is tomorrow for me :D What time zone is ubuntu based in?07:31
dystopianraywhy is pata_via not enabled? isnt' that supposed to be one of the better tested and developed libata drivers?07:31
Laney_Neil: UTC iirc07:31
dystopianray_Neil: ~UTC07:31
slytheringradin: Lines 13, 14, 31, 32, 35-38, 4907:31
_Neilta guys /me waits for feisty07:31
shirishdystopianray: that means I have to make another user07:32
mc44dystopianray: probably due to the great libata catastrophe of last week, but I dunno for sure07:32
dystopianray_Neil: Mithrandir does the releases and he is in UTC+1 iirc07:32
slytherindystopianray: I think there was some problem with it. Check linux-image changelog07:32
dystopianrayshirish: you can login as the same user07:32
dystopianrayslytherin: I don't recall seeing anything relating to pata_via in the changelog07:32
dystopianraybut I will check again07:32
shirishwell I logged in, now how to know there are 2 sessions running?07:32
dystopianrayshirish: well in kde the same switch user menu lists all the sessions07:33
dystopianrayshirish: you probably have sessions on vt7 and vt9, or possibly vt807:33
slytherindystopianray: Check changelog for version 2.6.20-14.2307:33
shirishdystopianray: nope there is console in vt8 & vt9 is empty07:34
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dystopianrayshirish: well i guess you don't have another session started?07:34
dystopianrayshirish: it doesn't matter anyway07:34
shirishseems to be although I went through the same route u said07:34
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dystopianrayslytherin: .23 says nothing about pata_via07:35
shirishok will try it, even if crashes07:35
slytherindystopianray: I said something about PATA. I thought it was same.07:35
dystopianrayslytherin: oh i found it now, it's 2.6.20-6.8 that it was disabled07:35
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`sam`slytherin, what about concatenating them with ffmpeg or mencoder? and then converting?07:38
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slytherin`sam`: Good suggestion. But neither mencode nor ffmpeg support Theora encoding. Sad thing. :-)07:39
shirishdystopianray: ok I tried xrandr -0 inverted it did nothing, it blinked for a while & then back to how it is07:39
slytherin`sam`: sorry, I misundertood you07:39
dystopianrayshirish: xrandr -o inverted07:39
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slytherin`sam`: I will have to use different tools for concatenation and encoding, right?07:39
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shirishdystopianray: I lifted from what u gave, still no issues, come back the way it is.07:40
`sam`slytherin, looks like it... i've just been searching around because i'm going to want to use something like this too07:40
dystopianrayshirish: ah strange, well try this: xrandr -s 107:40
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slytherin`sam`: Ripping DVD to theora is easy with Thoggen but I want to combine and encode mpeg-1 videos07:41
shirishdystopianray: still no change07:41
dystopianrayshirish: if you just type 'xrandr' does it list more than one resolution?07:41
slytherin`sam`: I am currently looking into this post, http://davyd.livejournal.com/210041.html Will see if I can construct some get pipeline07:42
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shirishdystopianray: I tried changing resolutions, it is changing no problems atleast here07:42
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`sam`slytherin, seems like it would be easier to concatenate first, and even if you found something that both concatenates and converts it's probably going to use one backend for the concatenating and then another for converting07:42
dystopianrayshirish: hrrm strange07:43
basvg'lo all ... earlier when I booted into Feisty I noticed that when I hot the volume-up key on my keybaord I got a really really nice graphical overley (instead of the standard gnome thingy) .... havne't been able to reproduce. Does anyone know where that's hidden?07:43
dystopianrayshirish: what intel card do you have?07:43
slytherinbasvg: never seen it.07:43
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shirishdystopianray: its an i845 intel express chipset07:44
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dystopianrayshirish: ah, it might only affect 9xx cards07:44
dystopianrayshirish: i have a i91507:44
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basvghmm, maybe it is a beryl-thing07:45
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shirishdystopianray: right, I think u told me yesterday when i was not able to do find the upgrade at that point in time07:45
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GNu_JoeI installed tightvncserver and can get a remote vnc desktop up, but when I type in at a command prompt it's jiberish07:46
Slart_Are there any advantages/disadvantages to just doing the upgrade from edgy to feisty compared to a clean install of feisty?07:46
GNu_Joehow would I find an answer since my searches are turning up no hits...07:46
shirishdystopianray: do u know how I can change the refresh rate?07:46
dystopianrayshirish: xrandr should be able to do it, but your available refresh rates depend on you HorizSync and VertRefresh settings in xorg.conf07:46
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shirishdystopianray: I know its taken a refresh rate which i don't like, its 85 which is kinda disturbing other things, while with 75 hz it was looking much better07:47
AyabaraAnyone got the Cisco VPN client working on Feisty?07:47
TheVaultis there any videos on how to install a mac os x dock for  ubuntu?07:47
dystopianrayAyabara: i think i had vpnc working a few weeks ago07:48
shirishdystopianray: ah ok, did that this xandr is pretty cool, xandr - r 75 did the trick lol :p07:48
dystopianrayshirish: does xrandr list different refresh rates next to the resolutions it lists?07:48
dystopianrayshirish: excellent, it's not permanent though07:48
shirishyup it lists07:48
TheVaultIs there any good tutorials or videos showing you how to install a dock like the one in mac os x?07:49
shirishdystopianray: I guess the whole thing isn't permanent, it all goes back to how xorg.conf settings07:49
GNu_Joewill the fiesty beta just become fisty after tommarow or is there some action that has to be done?07:49
dystopianrayshirish: you'll have to adjust the VertRefresh setting in xorg.conf, i think if you lower the higher number to 75 it'll max out at 75Hz07:49
PiciGNu_Joe: You dont need to do anything special07:49
mc44GNu_Joe: if you have been installing updates then no07:49
Ayabaradystopianray, I'm trying to run vpn_install here without any luck. "/linuxcniapi.c:12:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory"07:50
dystopianrayAyabara: I don't know anything about getting the official cisco client working, sorry07:50
GNu_Joejust need to solve this tightvncserver issue07:50
HairulfrTheVault: Most of those docks are really shite, there is a osx style in the, uhm, the gnome eyecandy thingy, which is the least buggy one07:50
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Ayabaradystopianray, np.07:51
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TheVaultHairulfr: I just want a dock that moves when my mouse is over the icons & the icons bounce when I cilck on it. The dock in Gdesklets really sux07:51
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HairulfrTheVault: Yeah, I know, but it's the least troublesome one I've come across. There is KIBA-dock, but I don't know if there are any good guides07:52
shirishdystopianray: I wouldn't fiddle, what happened was when I used the xrandr -s 0  it went to 75 hz (1152x864) which is too small for me, when i came back to xandr -s 1 (1024*768) it took at 85 hz rather than 75 hz which it usually gives.07:52
Slart_TheVault: there is the cairo dock or whatever it's called now.. but you'll have to compile it yourself.. and I think you have to hardcode links and icons07:52
TheVaultSlart_: As long as there is a guide showing me how, then I'm fine07:52
LaneyI heard avant was good. Don't know how true that is though.07:52
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dystopianrayshirish: so it normally gives you 75Hz?07:53
TheVaultSlart_: I just need a good guide showing me how to install & things07:53
shirishdystopianray: that's right07:53
Ayabaradystopianray, in case anyone else asks you, you seem to need a patch to the source to make it install :-)07:53
Slart_TheVault: hehe.. well guide is a big word.. there are a couple of outdated readme's, some cryptic 'I did kind of like this and it didn't work'-texts.. call it a guide if you want =)07:53
dystopianrayAyabara: have you tried vpnc?07:53
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Slart_TheVault: there are no easy-to-install/good looking docks that I know07:54
TheVaultSlart_: Well I'm searching for howtos right now07:54
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shirishdystopianray: what does it give you normally?07:54
dystopianrayshirish: 6007:55
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AyabaraAyabara, no. I don't even know what it is07:55
shirishdystopianray: hmm... and I'm guessing its an LCD display07:55
dystopianrayshirish: yep07:56
dystopianrayshirish: it's a laptop07:56
shirishdystopianray: so it doesn't give good pictures & whenever u try xrandr it crashes07:56
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dystopianrayshirish: the picture is fine, changing resolution crashes X07:56
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dystopianrayhas anyone tried prboom? it's locking up fairly regularly for me07:57
Shaffoxis the official release still tomorrow ?07:58
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dystopianrayShaffox: yes07:58
shirishdystopianray: ah that sucks, but still good to know about xrandr its a cool tool07:58
dystopianrayshirish: it's not a big deal though, my laptop's bios has all the necessary resolutions so I don't need 915resolution07:59
GNu_Joeother then vino is there a way to get VNC working on Feisty?08:00
shirishthat's cool, there was a time where I could have upgrade my BIOS but didn't  & now don't wanna risk it08:00
dystopianrayshirish: i'm surprised that this lapto has a 1680x1050 vesa mode, makes for an awesome framebuffer08:02
shirishdystopianray: I hope u do put in the details in the wiki, in the laptop testing thing08:02
spikebwoah. nice laptop08:03
dystopianrayit's just a dell inspiron 600008:03
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hyljemy oldie lappy has 1600x120008:03
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shirishdystopianray: I'm surprised dell's are notorious for breaking down, implementations not good enough, there are lot of support calls routed for dell support to india08:04
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dystopianrayshirish: this one has been great and all the hardware is supported in linux, except the modem08:04
Tomgdystopianray: how much it cost?08:04
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knix__I upgraded to feisty server and now it wont boot all the way, it hangs at local boot scripts.08:05
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dystopianrayTomg: i think it was around AUD$1500 in february 200608:05
shirishdystopianray: wow that is expensive08:05
`davoso wlan0 is suddenly missing08:05
dystopianrayshirish: it's australian dollars08:05
Tomgdystopianray: o rite kool, ill have to look into that...08:05
BluesKajshirish, Dell also sells the most pcs of any maker so statiscally  they will have more support calls anyway08:06
hyljemost good stuff tends to be expensive08:06
concept10does anyone think the gnome-panel should wait to appear until all applets are loaded or is that just me?08:06
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`davoI get this error when trying to configure my wlan0 connection SIOCGIFFLAGS error: No such device08:07
dystopianray`davo: ndiswrapper?08:07
`davoedgy supported my wireless card, what happened?08:07
dystopianray`davo: are you using ndiswrapper?08:07
dystopianray`davo: what driver is it using?08:08
`davoI have no idea.  When I installed 6.10 it worked fine08:08
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aldinhow to play .amr files?08:10
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Tomgtry medibuntu08:10
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aldinTomg: is it adressed to me if so what do u mean medibuntu08:11
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mewtHi, I just upgraded to feisty and i have the following problem..after i restart, xserver wont load and says that there is a version mismatch between the nvidia kernel module and the driver08:12
mewti have 9755 version08:12
knix__mewt, new header files?08:12
knix__mewt, uname -r08:12
jonahok guys, and when i use photoshop or whatever in xp, how do i save files across to ubuntu?08:12
GNu_Joenewt, did you enable the restriced drivers?08:12
jonahfrom vmware i mean08:12
aldinjonah: www.fs-driver-org08:12
dystopianrayjonah: you can't08:12
aldinif ur ubuntu is ext308:13
mewtmewt@tehgraveyard:~$ uname -r08:13
mewtbut if i reinstall the driver08:13
mewtit works fine08:13
netmon1Is there a specific time Feisty will launch08:13
mewtafter a restart it comes back to the erro08:13
dystopianrayjonah: but you should be able to mount the vmware partition in feisty and grab the file out08:13
dystopianrayjonah: or you may be able to share files with the vm over smb08:13
knix__mewt, im not sure08:13
GNu_Joemewt, I installed the nvidia-new driver and it fix my issue BTW08:13
BluesKajGNu_Joe, nfts-3g , install it and you will have read/write access to your windows partition08:13
mc44netmon1: nope08:13
mewtso i should uninstall the one i manually installed08:14
mewtand install nvidia-glx-new ?08:14
GNu_JoeBluesKaj, wrong person08:14
knix__I upgraded to feisty server and now it wont boot all the way, it hangs at local boot scripts.  Any idea how to fix this?08:14
mewtif i recall well the problem still remained there when i tried it :S08:14
Angeluzknix__: Does it say "Loading files needed to boot"?08:14
GNu_Joemewt just install the one with -new that will figure out what to un-install08:14
knix__Angeluz, let me check08:14
BluesKajoops GNu_Joe08:14
AngeluzThere where a few sata/ide problems with the kernel.08:14
mewtGNu_Joe, ok will try that08:15
AngeluzBut that has been fixed a few hours later.08:15
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dystopianrayoh i love the new amarok, shoutcast stream browser is great08:15
AngeluzNa, Rhythmbox... :->08:16
knix__Angeluz, its on* Running local boot scripts etc/rc.local.   It has been sitting there for 2 days now... But atleast apache started before it, so my webpage is ok.  but I cannot get to the command prompt.08:16
AngeluzCan you access an early kernel?08:17
`davowhen was the 7.04 beta last updated?08:17
Angeluzdavo, yesterday, if I'm not mistaken.08:17
knix__Angeluz, what do you mean early kernel?08:17
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Angeluzknix__: There should be a list of kernel-versions before ubuntu starts.08:18
`davoMy wireless card was supported natively in 6.10, now it's not..any idea what happened to that?  There's not even a wireless connection in the network settings08:18
knix__Angeluz, well it running as a vm, ill have to check08:18
knix__Angeluz, ok, i can get to that, what should I select?08:19
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mc44knix__: -13 probably if you have it08:20
AngeluzTry a [...] .15 version, or the kernel, that you remember booting correctly.08:20
knix__Angeluz, -11 and -1508:20
AngeluzTry 15 first.08:20
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knix__recovery mode?08:20
AngeluzThen install the latest updates.08:20
AngeluzThat's optional.08:20
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AngeluzIf you'd like to install the latest updates with GUI, then don't do recovery.08:21
AngeluzIf that doesn't work, you can choose recovery.08:21
richbHey all.08:21
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knix__Angeluz, ty08:21
AngeluzIt works? :)08:22
knix__Angeluz, no, I am in the process of doing it, I just wanted to ty for the help08:22
AngeluzOkay. You're welcome.08:22
st9bmpx > amarok08:23
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richbHas anyone had any problems with the gnuchess gui lagging in feisty?08:25
Angeluzrichb: Yes.08:25
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AngeluzBut that may just be my dualhead-configuration with mergedfb.08:25
AngeluzI'm not sure. :-/08:25
richbAngeluz: It's the same here with the radeon driver08:26
knix__Angeluz, ok, its hanging on recovery mode , too.   try -11 now?08:27
Angeluzknix__: Yes, I'd try that.08:27
knix__Angeluz, kk, what are all they?08:28
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Angeluzknix__: They are different kernel-versions.08:30
knix__Angeluz, kk08:30
AngeluzA failsafe-listing, so to say, in case something goes wrong while updating your kernel.08:30
knix__ok, still hangs :(08:31
whitehawkI added a wifi connection manually (cause it wasn'T discovered, no ssid broadcast) and where can I change it's settinga?08:32
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knix__Angeluz, I think I am SOL, every kernel hangs, and I have only one terminal.  :(08:33
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knix__Angeluz, Ill just suk it up reinstall, but ty again, later08:34
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greg_gknix__: having problems?08:35
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knix__greg_g, yo greggy.  i am always having issues, heehee08:35
mewtGNu_Joe: Im back, i rebooted and i got the same error08:35
concept10knix__, where is your system hanging?08:36
greg_gknix__: that sucks08:36
knix__greg_g, yup08:36
knix__concept10, on starting local boot scripts, etc/rc.local08:36
knix__concept10, I have tried all kernel versions, but nada, poof there it goes08:37
concept10knix__, you said in recovery mode also?08:37
GNu_Joemewt, does the restricted manager show that you are useing it?08:37
concept10knix__, reinstalling may help or not help, but I just fixed a problem on my system that was similar\08:37
mewtGNu_Joe: the error is this: API mismatch, the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7184, this xmodule has the version 1.0-975508:37
knix__concept10, please tell08:37
concept10knix__, can you get to a terminal on that system?08:38
mewti dont know, cant log back in right now08:38
knix__concept10, fyi, I had a dapper server then upgraded to edgy then to feisty08:38
knix__concept10, nope08:38
mewtGNu_Joe: If i try install nvidia-kernel-1.0.975508:39
concept10knix__, you have several options to debug, this includes disabling scripts from the boot process or maybe passing kernel options08:39
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knix__concept10, ok08:40
concept10knix__, in my case, my system would hang on the GDM login08:40
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