[12:28] I can't type the pipe character over vnc, anyone got any ideas? [12:28] It's not a client issue as far as i can tell === |NewUser| [n=krack@221.132.113.246] has left #Ubuntu+1 [] === soopurman [n=L7loser@nat-vlan0200.sat4.rackspace.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === |NewUser| [n=krack@221.132.113.246] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === zPacKRat_ [n=bfastena@66.192.5.129] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:30] wow... all packages installed... 's cleaning up now. Impressive (so far) [12:30] <|NewUser|> basvg: same here :) === basvg crosses fingers untill he can reboot === linxeh [n=linx@88-96-202-38.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === frank23 [n=frank@CPE001839c1904e-CM00080d26a042.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:31] I heard the feisty RC was delayed. Is the release delayed as well? === darwin [n=julio@87.137.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:31] after i installed ubuntu on my computer, and when i enter xp... i cannot access (D:) the partition of ubuntu [12:32] why is that? [12:32] frank23: on the site it still says 2 days to go [12:32] (D: ) === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:32] Woody_: windows doesn't know how to read the filesystem I think... it's the 'normal' behavior [12:32] Woody_: windows can't read the filesystem used by ubuntu (ext3) [12:33] ah, so it can't be fixed? [12:33] Woody_: there is a driver you can install in windows to support ext3 [12:33] anyone know why vnc won't let me type pipe characters and stuff? [12:33] wow... boot is much faster in feisty [12:33] Woody_: I forget what it's called. I never tried it [12:33] ah okay thanks frank23 [12:33] <|NewUser|> how can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz all. so this is my all update and download packages there.. anyone can help ? === snax [n=snax@c-24-17-192-192.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Poul^Laptop [n=raider@s-web.dhcp.kampsax.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:35] right, everything seems to work... off to bed! === basvg [i=basvg@stuwww.uvt.nl] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-56-221.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === muchmusic [n=muchmusi@c-69-181-21-69.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === peterflute [n=peter@43.Red-83-39-86.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === maccam94 [n=maccam94@pool-72-72-84-37.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === majoridiot [n=majoridi@74-141-134-199.dhcp.insightbb.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] [12:41] weird, update download's going very slowly for me... 30-50KB/s === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:41] anybody knows what's the difference in xserver-xorg-video-i180 and recently uploaded to universe xserver-xorg-video-intel? [12:41] mstrzele, is there anything in the changelogs? [12:41] Hello gnomefreak, did you have time to look into my problem with the nvidia drivers? [12:42] peterflute: 7300 or 6200? [12:42] or 6600 [12:42] 6600gt [12:42] I think "gt" is short for "git" [12:42] ...and I wondered if it might not be a motherboard issue... [12:42] maccam94: nothing. two different packages. xserver-xorg-video-intel version starts from 1:1.9.94-1ubuntu3, before that version there was nothing ;) [12:42] peterflute: yeah i looked into it but i am hearing the new drivers 9755 should work. i have no way of testing [12:42] does anyone know why the vncserver can't understand the pipe character from my client? [12:43] peterflute: 6200 and up seem to all be a beast to set up [12:43] So I shoul dmaybe download them rom nvidia and try themm. [12:43] other things like the less that/greater than signs don't work either === peterflute smiles in delight === leth_ [n=mcobden@i-83-67-74-239.freedom2surf.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === bur[n] er_ [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:45] How do I get a program to start every time I reboot automatically? [12:46] peterflute: im not real sure to be honest :( [12:46] VirhYl3: go to System -> Preferences -> Sessions [12:46] <|NewUser|> how can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz i have all packages. there which one i download or update.. plz anyone can help ? [12:46] Well I appreciate your honesty. === Andrew4 [n=andrew@dpc674585073.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:46] peterflute: maybe ask about it in #ubuntu-motu === Andrew4 [n=andrew@dpc674585073.direcpc.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [12:46] And thanks again for the help. [12:47] ubuntu-motu? [12:47] since they package the drivers they may know more === {uX}Vamp`DuneZzZ [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:47] #ubuntu-motu channel [12:47] peterflute: /j #ubuntu-motu ;) === conn [n=conn@83.141.127.50] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ahuman [n=oem@ool-43557e7c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:48] thanks. [12:49] yw [12:50] <|NewUser|> can someone plz help me out ? iwant to take just backup 0f that folder in another place. === instabin [n=josh@oh-76-5-126-215.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === {uX}Vamp`DuneZzZ [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ChakRa [n=masta@76.20.176.94] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nomasteryoda [n=nomaster@112.sub-75-203-92.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu+1 === HOT [n=olid@82-69-88-239.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === BadRabbit320 [n=BadRabbi@adsl-065-007-212-224.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hans_ [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sdfasdfawef [n=asdfwrga@adsl-67-124-146-105.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === leafw [n=Any@164.67.12.243] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fb33 [n=upirc@000-174-221.area3.spcsdns.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:04] so compiz is not enabled by default, but it's "one check box away" ? Which check box? Where? Is it meant for synaptic or what ? [01:04] how do I renew my ip? [01:04] or get a local ip [01:04] it says I don't have one [01:04] is there an official list of compiz-enabled graphic cards? [01:05] and dhcpcd is not working [01:05] fb33 : ethernet cable ? sudo ifup eth0 === _Neil [n=neil@unaffiliated/neil-] has joined #ubuntu+1 === darwin [n=julio@87.137.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:06] <_Neil> So, as of tomorrow this channel and #ubuntu merge? [01:06] <_Neil> or not :) === apollo2011 [n=apollo20@69.37.206.15] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:06] wireless. but I got the idea [01:06] Hi everyone [01:06] <_Neil> hey apollo2011 [01:06] leafw: System -> Preferences -> Desktop Effects to enable Compiz === Dhraakellian [n=ntryon@cpe-66-67-55-191.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:07] leafw: system ->preferences -> desktop effects [01:07] I am having trouble with the nvidia-glx driver. I have an NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 graphics card, and X successfully loads with the nvidia-glx package (version 9631) but the colors are off. I have tried the gamma settings but I cannot get anything to repair this problem, The nv driver works fine and the nvidia-glx driver used to work fine with my card. [01:08] thats only basic effects though [01:08] if you want more, you'll have to install full compiz and extras [01:08] or beryl === {uX}Vamp`DuneZzZ is now known as VampyrCeil [01:08] sdfasdfawef: if you want to configure more effects you must install gnome-compiz-manager [01:09] which is better? compiz or beryl? [01:09] apollo2011: for your card you must install nvidia-glx-legacy, I guess === sittisal [n=sittisal@host195-124.pool8249.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:10] mstrzele: what is better? compiz or beryl? === Woody_ goodnight === hans_ [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:11] apollo2011: sorry, my mistake. for new nvidia cards is nvidia-glx-new, for yours model is nvidia-glx [01:11] All indications from nvidia say I need the 9631 driver, legacy does not give me 3D support. === Woody_ [n=woody@194.146.155.6] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:11] apollo nvidia-glx now supports 9631, use that [01:11] I just found this post that seems to show the same problem affecting FreeBSD and Linux users: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84323 [01:12] misfit_toy: I am on 9631 now === bill_k [n=bill_k@134.48.161.30] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:12] apollo2011, what card? [01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x === llamakc [n=ken@230-95.dothan.cable.graceba.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:12] Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 200 [01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> so many nvidia 'issues' [01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> SysInfo: Graphic: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) [01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> will mine work? [01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x [01:12] apollo2011, not familiar with that one [01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it's not like it's new or sumn === agroker [n=pozdiy@152.16.144.213] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fn1 [n=fnf@58.187.123.202] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:13] I have 3d acceleration: [01:13] using: [01:13] OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation [01:13] OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 440 Go/AGP/SSE2 [01:13] OpenGL version string: 1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.31 === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fn1 [n=fnf@58.187.123.202] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:14] and that is the ubuntu nvidia-glx, not -legacy === Dhraakellian [n=ntryon@cpe-66-67-55-191.rochester.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Meddle] [01:14] misfit_toy: I have 3D support but I would really rather have proper colors than 3D support, right now, stuff that supposed to look blue looking yellow-green with nvidia-glx === enyc [n=enyc@1337.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:15] weird, my colors are fine here, is this an older -glx driver maybe? have you updated in a while? this one is from only a week or so ago. === darwin [n=julio@87.137.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:16] misfit_toy: nope everything is updated its the 9631 driver. Nvidia .bin install gives the same problem. I had this problem on Edgy and upgrading to Feisty had no benefit [01:16] apollo2011, never heard of a color issue, that one's new to me. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:18] apollo2011, laptop or desktop? [01:18] apollo2011, what kind of monitor? [01:19] maybe your refresh rate is wrong [01:21] misfit_toy: Dell Dimension 8200 desktop with Dell 7200FP (DVI connection) LCD Monitor [01:22] 1702fp you mean perhaps? [01:22] all lcds should run at 60 hz [01:22] hey misfit_toy, I successfully put /home on it's own partition...had to use this tutorial to make the transition : http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome [01:22] xtknight: yes 1702fp, sorry [01:22] apollo2011, isn't there an nvidia gamma correction util? I forget the name... === hans_ [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:22] BluesKaj, cool man, glad you got it! [01:22] misfit_toy: Yes, but it doesn't fix the problem (nvidia-settings) [01:23] could be a gamma problem [01:23] is gamma R=1.0, G=1.0, B=1.0? [01:24] misfit_toy, xtknight: All the gammas appear right, and Red and Green will change appearance, but moving the blue gamma does nothing [01:24] apollo2011, check the cable on both ends (display card and monitor) [01:24] both vga and dvi have separate pins for red/green/blue and one can get unplugged and cause discoloration [01:24] xtknight: Well if I switch to nv driver, it is fine [01:24] apollo2011, well it could be a bandwidth problem, perhaps [01:24] so i'd still check the cable [01:24] just plug it in all the way on both sides [01:25] it's hooked up via DVI or VGA right now? === eobanb [n=eoban@149-159-4-11.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:25] <|NewUser|> ow can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz i have all packages. there which one i download or update.. plz anyone can help ? [01:26] <|NewUser|> *h [01:26] |NewUser|, why don't you just burn it to cd with gnomebaker or something? :) [01:27] xtknight: right now its DVI, monitor end of the cable was ok, I [01:27] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: dont have writer :p [01:27] will try the card end now otherwise try VGA [01:27] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: i have 80gb USb so i can transfer it easily [01:27] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: just want to backup it completly.. [01:28] "tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=backup.tgz ." [01:28] apollo2011, so with nvidia driver you have issues but with nv no issues? at the desktop? [01:29] but switch to that directory first |NewUser| [01:29] oops [01:29] <|NewUser|> :S [01:29] <|NewUser|> tar ? [01:29] "tar cvpzf /dev/whateveryourusbthingis/backup.tgz --exclude=backup.tgz ." === jtt [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:29] interesting. you need the exclude in there? [01:29] xtknight, not since he's putting it externally, no [01:29] you do if you're in that same dir [01:29] right [01:30] probably need root access too no? [01:30] for /var/cache [01:30] and |NewUser| notice that little "." at the end of that line [01:30] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: sure let me try it. [01:30] yes sudo would be required, I never know how much to tell someone! lol [01:30] ah nm no root for Read [01:30] <|NewUser|> l0ol [01:31] <|NewUser|> xtknight: now whenever i use any cmd. i used sudo first :) [01:31] xtknight, oh, true! [01:31] no dont use sudo [01:31] <----user perms xr-xr-x [01:31] so he has read access already [01:31] righto === misfit_toy is out for a smoke, biab. [01:32] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: so this command made backup in same place ? [01:33] <|NewUser|> with .tgz ? [01:33] i dont believe you use a block device as a parameter === Crazytom [n=chris@adsl-074-229-025-245.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:33] is fiesty still due out the 19th or is it going to be late? [01:33] <|NewUser|> xtknight: who me ? sorry i m new with linux trying to learn [01:34] |NewUser|, ya sorry i wasnt specific [01:34] |NewUser|, hold on ill try and figure out the command [01:34] Crazytom, it'll be out when its ready [01:35] Crazytom: no delays announced tho === beg1689 [n=brian@ip68-228-159-130.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:35] when will it be ready? :) === jbruckman [n=jbruckma@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:35] <|NewUser|> xtknight: sure :) [01:35] is it too late to report a bug? [01:35] <|NewUser|> xtknight: i m waiting :) [01:35] beg1689, no, please do [01:35] |NewUser|: why don't u use file-roller to backup this dir? [01:35] beg1689, it can still come thru the updates if it doesn't make the Feisty release [01:35] hey everyone, i'm having some problems with Nvidia drivers in feisty. anyone know how to get them installed without breaking the monitor settings? [01:35] |NewUser|: and save archive on e.g. desktop and drag&drop it to the usb disk [01:35] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: thats dir owned by root And.. i think dir is in use [01:36] searching launchpad first :) [01:36] you can do create archive [01:36] i just hate it that it has no progress bar [01:36] but maybe you don't care [01:36] |NewUser|, type "file-roller" [01:36] actually maybe file roller has progress. nautilus script doesn't but we wont use that [01:36] wow i never noticed bug number 1 [01:36] <|NewUser|> okies its open [01:36] |NewUser|, new archive [01:37] |NewUser|, sudo gedit /var/cache/apt [01:37] |NewUser|, save it on you desktop somewhere [01:37] gedit? [01:37] perhaps gksu nautilus [01:37] though i think file roller is a better idea [01:37] will i ever see the day where i can walk into compusa and see a desktop running ubuntu? [01:37] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj: in that dir there is alot files and more dir. === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Exit,] [01:37] beg1689, not unless you put in a livecd on one of their computers :P [01:37] oops yeah, i keep forgeting to substitute ... [01:38] |NewUser|, got the new archive made? [01:38] do Tar compressed with Bzip2 [01:38] <|NewUser|> xtknight: hold on .. closing all crap. === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:38] |NewUser|: Places -> Computer -> Filesystem -> var -> cache -> apt -> archvies -> right click on 'archives', next "Make archive" and save it to a desktop e.g., is the easiest solution [01:39] yeah youd have to do "gksu nautilus" for the above [01:39] ok maybe this is more of a request than a bug: there is no easy way to switch between dhcp and static ip (in this case im referring to wired network) [01:39] xtknight: i've just packed all ../archives without having root rights === hans_ [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:39] if im using static, i have to manually switch to dhcp, and when i want to switch back i need to reenter IP, gateway, subnet === The_Jack_of_Club [n=Jack_Jac@katy-adsl-66-170-192-105.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:40] mstrzele, i thought create archive only let you create an archive in the current dir (thus requiring root)? [01:40] whootz [01:40] ah k never mind [01:40] xtknight: with "Make archive" dialog you can choose path to save archive [01:40] |NewUser|, ignore what i said earlier [01:40] also network manager tries to connect to wireless networks when wired network is set manually [01:40] so hows wireless networking? [01:40] |NewUser|, dont bother with file roller right now [01:40] mm [01:40] works great [01:40] wireless networking works BETTER than wired [01:41] doubt that [01:41] :) [01:41] xtknight: and it have progress bar ;] [01:41] wpa2 doesnt freak anymore does it? [01:41] mstrzele, doesnt for me sometimes. just a bouncing bar [01:41] dunno [01:41] <|NewUser|> xtknight: its start :S [01:41] also is wireless n supported? [01:41] |NewUser|, type "gksu nautilus" [01:41] right now im connected using wired network, but nm-applet shows an empty signal, it wants a wireless network [01:41] er [01:41] becuase im set to static [01:41] never mind dont need that [01:41] <|NewUser|> so cancel it ? [01:41] |NewUser|, just follow mstrzele 's instructions [01:42] <|NewUser|> okie [01:42] What has crashed and how do I fix it when I have No panels in gnome? [01:42] |NewUser|: Places -> Computer -> Filesystem -> var -> cache -> apt -> right click on 'archives', next "Make archive" and save it to a desktop e.g., is the easiest solution [01:42] wireless n anybody? i know its new but macs have it... and that vista thingy i think :P [01:43] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: are u sure the backup willbe same as the previous condition ? [01:43] |NewUser|: yes [01:43] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie :) [01:44] And how do I open the panels back up, so I can try a reboot? [01:44] <|NewUser|> have to reboot system.. my updates are finished :) [01:44] <|NewUser|> brb [01:44] i gotta get away from my ati card. looking for something by nvidia under $100. no big gaming card needed. suggestions? === Eleaf [n=ethan@69.39.24.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:46] lol gonna try unreal tournament at 2960x2074 === Laney [n=your@85.210.32.30] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:48] Laney: hi mother [01:48] Hello... son? === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:49] hi there [01:49] spike: you seems to have bad user info [01:49] can anybody help me out with raid and udev? I'm having a serious nightmare with it [01:49] How can I reboot without any reboot button? [01:49] or more precisely, a problem with initrd [01:49] "reboot" in terminal [01:49] thnx. [01:50] VirhYl3: go to termial and press CTRL+ALT+DEL [01:50] the new image as created with update-initramfs wont boot, just give me errors that /dev/md/0 is busy [01:50] Laney: your realname ;) [01:50] what program is terminal in /usr? [01:50] VirhYl3: err? [01:50] or you mean ctrl+alt+f1 [01:50] ? [01:50] Tm_T: Oh haha, I forgot about that! [01:50] anybody? [01:51] VirhYl3: first press CTRL+ALT+F1 to go to the termianl and then press CTRL+ALT+DEL [01:51] Tm_T: I have a desktop, beryl, avant window navigator, and no other menus anywhwere. [01:51] unmount [01:51] mstrzele: Ok, will try that. [01:51] how do you disable an audio device? [01:51] brb? === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:51] i want to disable my onboard completely (could do it from the bios but not convenient atm) === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has left #ubuntu+1 ["."] [01:52] with vmware workstation 6 my usb devices arent picked up by my win xp guest os in feisty.... anyone else have this problem? [01:52] fiesty picks them up fine, but doesnt pass them on to the virtual machine === gan|y|med [n=ganymed@87-194-80-23.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:53] hi [01:53] why does fglrx.ko get deleted every time the system is restarted??? [01:54] gan|y|med, if no one here knows you might try in #ubuntu-effects [01:54] thx. what's this? [01:54] llamakc: you can get a gf7600 if you look hard enough for under $100 [01:54] channel for strange effects? [01:54] 7600gs [01:54] thanks beg1689. will do [01:55] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122007 [01:55] how do i find out what program is using a module? i'm trying to unload one [01:55] that one will be a bit more than $100 because of shipping [01:55] i have a go 7600 which is probably the slowest version of it, but it runs awesome [01:56] half life 2 (wine) ut2004, warcraft 3 (obviously), quake 4 all good [01:56] wow and one of the reviews is from an ubuntu user [01:56] i have an ATI Radeon xpress 200M [01:56] ut2004 runs awesome on a 7800gt here with ubuntu [01:56] Which sucks majorly [01:56] thanks ya'll === |NewUser| [n=krack@221.132.113.246] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [01:57] anyway to map an alsa device to hw0:0 from hw1:0? [01:57] <|NewUser|> heheh [01:57] come on guys [01:57] nobody has ever had the fglrx issue, nobody uses the ati drivers? [01:57] anyone using vmware 6 beta on feisty? [01:57] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: as i said .. it gave me error in return about permission :) [01:58] gan|y|med: I'm unable to use them. [01:58] |NewUser|: while extracting to new machine? [01:58] vmware server? i hae player 1.0.2 [01:58] which is why i'm giving up on ati once and for all. i cant' get 2.6.20-15 to even boot beyond HAL [01:58] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: no while compressing it [01:58] llamakc: why that? [01:58] my experience with ati is very nice [01:59] with feisty? [01:59] becuase all my ati cards are 200 series, out-of-the-box compiz [01:59] |NewUser|: error about 'lock' file? === HorizonXP [n=HorizonX@auth4-102.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:59] yes [01:59] Hey everyone. How do I get the sound working in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, which is on the Quake III engine? [01:59] my radeon x300 is driving me batty [01:59] the precompiled in feisty work perfectly well, couldn't get the ati ones to compile (kernel and xorg problems) [01:59] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: An error occurred while adding files to the archive. "tar: apt/apt/archives/lock: Cannot open: Permission Denied [01:59] <|NewUser|> tar: apt/archives/lock: Cannot Open: Permission denied [01:59] <|NewUser|> tar: Error exit delayed from previous error [01:59] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: yea [01:59] |NewUser|: Try doing 'sudo ' [02:00] beg1689: do usb devices work with it? [02:00] |NewUser|: this file is used to lock archives while you're using synaptics, U can skip this file === riddlebox [n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:00] as i said, precompiled drivers work, just that fglrx,ko gets deleted everytime the system is restarted === psusi [n=ubuntu@user-0c6s9hg.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:00] |NewUser|: you don't need to compress it while you gonna transfer only archives to new ubuntu installation [02:00] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: i want that whole folder :< [02:01] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: then how can i deselect it ? [02:01] I just noticed that the amd64 livecd does not have gparted installed, but the i386 one does.. is this normal? [02:01] |NewUser|: all files from /archive/ dir is in the .tar.gz, only 'lock' file wasn't compressed [02:01] |NewUser|: you don't need to deselect it [02:02] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: really ? [02:02] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: i got all files in .tar.gz ? except lock ? [02:02] |NewUser|: yes [02:02] |NewUser|: try open archive from desktop and look at contents [02:03] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie then its fine :) sure let me open it . === bill_k [n=bill_k@134.48.161.30] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === tapas [n=tapas@affenbande.org] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:05] Shaddox, there's some helpful stuff on the forums about ET [02:05] psusi, i dont think that should be the case [02:06] ok... I'll file a bug report then [02:06] i'd recommend doing that [02:06] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie thanks ya its fine :) except lock . there is all files. [02:06] <|NewUser|> damn i have 500+ mb apt cache :S [02:06] |NewUser|: no problem :) [02:06] <|NewUser|> now i m gonna clean my cache first :) [02:07] beg1689: do usb devices work with the version of vmware player you have installed === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:08] Hey everyone. How do I get the sound working in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, which is on the Quake III engine? [02:08] Shaddox, there's some helpful stuff on the forums about ET [02:08] <|NewUser|> well i m trying to do " sudo apt-get install && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade " in result its showing " 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 to upgraded. This mean i dont need any update now ? [02:08] xtknight: I forget the site's name. what is it again? [02:08] www.ubuntuforums.org === HorizonXP [n=HorizonX@auth4-102.uwaterloo.ca] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === NickGarvey [n=nick@unaffiliated/nickgarvey] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:10] sdfasdfawef: never tried, want me to test one? === ceaser_ [n=ceaser@cpe-71-72-73-134.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:10] |NewUser|: yes, you have system up-to-date [02:11] <|NewUser|> well i did " sudo apt-get clean " && " sudo apt-get autoclean " but still all the packages in that /var/cache/apt/apt/archives [02:11] i am having some problems install the proprietary nvidia drivers on my feisty distro. WHen I install the glx driver, i can no longer adjust the monitor resolution [02:12] |NewUser|: if you want to check is your system updated type in termial: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' only [02:12] <|NewUser|> umm sorry but size is compress now size is just 53mb :S [02:12] RC-1 is out? [02:12] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie [02:12] xtknight: Wow, i think i found what I'm lookin' for, ^^ [02:12] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: thanks for help :) [02:13] <|NewUser|> now going to play with beryl :> [02:13] xtknight: Problem, though. [02:13] beg1689: would be great if you could [02:13] why does fglrx.ko get deleted every time the system is restarted??? [02:13] |NewUser|: good luck '] === nomasteryoda [n=nomaster@ip70-185-168-242.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:13] |NewUser|: good luck ;] [02:13] xtknight: It says to input: < echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss > into my console., but when I do it, even with a sudo, it says permission denied. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:14] <|NewUser|> duh.. can i one more thing.. in the right top corner there is icon of network.. it just like a pause picture :p not blinks [02:14] Shaddox, ah k [02:14] Shaddox, sudo sh -c "echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss" [02:14] try that instead [02:14] sudos the whole thing [02:15] |NewUser|: Network Manager icon, I guess. that icon isn't blink on eth activity, it's normal behaviour [02:15] xtknight: archon@Shaddox:~$ sudo sh -c "echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss" [02:15] xtknight: Password: [02:15] xtknight: et.x86 [02:15] xtknight: Is that what it's supposed to say? [02:15] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie :) [02:15] Shaddox, hm [02:15] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: again alot thanks. [02:15] xtknight: Let me test. ^^ [02:15] |NewUser|: if you want a blinking icon install gnome-netstatus-applet [02:15] Shaddox, no [02:15] Uh, okay... [02:15] Shaddox, sudo sh -c "echo \"et.x86 0 0 direct\" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss" [02:15] try that instead [02:15] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: sure ty [02:16] its' not supposed to print anytihng [02:16] xtknight: It didn't print anything this time. [02:17] Shaddox, k type "cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss" [02:17] does that print anything? [02:17] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: i try to install it but it says gnome-status-applet is already the newest version. [02:17] xtknight: With a sudo? [02:17] Shaddox, nah [02:17] xtknight: It prints: et.x86 0 0 direct [02:17] k it worked [02:17] Kay, testing. [02:17] |NewUser|: gnome-*status*-applet? not gnome-*netstatus*-applet? === Arko [n=arko@201.24.61.146] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [02:18] xtknight: Sound's still borked. [02:18] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: sorry ya it is gnome-netstatus-applet [02:18] Shaddox, i'm not sure as ET worked first try for me [02:18] |NewUser|: so is it installed or not? :) [02:19] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: is it installed but the light not blinks there :S === basotl [n=RAP70R80@cpe-76-175-12-248.socal.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["http://opensourcegaming.net"] [02:19] |NewUser|: right click on top panel, 'Add applet to panel' and select 'Network monitor' === ` [n=tang@60.191.45.226] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Draconicus [n=Draconic@c-71-232-0-246.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:21] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: ya now it is look like what i want :) thanks ... [02:21] <|NewUser|> is opera launch for fiesty ? === yoasif_ [n=yoasif@pool-72-89-206-107.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === apollo2011 [n=apollo20@69.37.206.15] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:22] hello again misfit_toy xtknight [02:22] apollo2011, hey [02:22] were you the one with dell 1702fp problems? [02:23] xtknight: The DVI cable was connected ok, I tried the VGA and it was ok until the Kubuntu boot screen disappeared and I was expecting to see the login screen, but it was just blank [02:23] yes I was [02:25] One thing I noticed was that in the KDE System Settings for Monitor, everytime I loaded X with the nvidia-glx driver, it showed a different refresh rate, usually 53 or 57, but never 60. I couldn't get it to go to 60. Now I am back with the nv driver, and it shows 60Hz. [02:26] sdfasdfawef: sorry i was busy [02:26] booting up wmware now [02:26] I think this is just a bug with the nvidia driver that will have to be resolved by nvida, or by me buying a new graphics card... [02:26] !sound [02:26] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 === maccam94 [n=maccam94@pool-72-72-84-37.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:28] beg1689: great thanks [02:28] can someone please help me? I'd like some information on the nvidia drivers in feisty... [02:28] xtknight: My sound's still not there. :x === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:29] anyone know what the deal is with large amounts of memory in kernel 2.6 atm? i've got 2GB of ram, plus a big swap partition (for the hell of it), but I was just reading some articles talking about how the 2.4 kernel could only address 1GB of ram.... [02:29] apollo2011, hmm im not sure [02:29] maccam94, the 2.4 kernel? [02:29] without a special config option yes but i dont think ubuntu in any way could ever work with a 2.4 kernel..? === satempler [n=satemple@ip68-99-151-158.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:30] Shaddox, sorry i dont know how to fix it [02:31] xtknight, no I am using the normal 2.6 kernel (I don't want 2.4). I was just reading that in kernel 2.4 there were issues with over 1GB of physical ram without a patch called "highmem", and I was wondering what the status of the issue is in 2.6 [02:31] maccam94, nope 2.6 is just fine === rpedro__ [n=rpedro@87-196-64-7.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:32] maccam94, it can use 4 G of VRAM (-hardware addresses). there is PAE support that can enable addressing up to 2^48 i believe === defendguin [n=supertux@cpe-72-181-7-135.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:32] a kernel in 64bit mode can address 2^48 also (48-bit not 64-bit memory on 64bit CPUs AFAIK) [02:32] sdfasdfawef: my usb disk is working [02:33] seems fine [02:33] xtknight, k, that's what I thought, just there were lots of conflicting google results ;-P [02:34] sdfasdfawef: it detected the usb disk but then i got an error, probably doesnt have proper permissions === mphill [n=mphill@CPE-70-92-242-47.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:36] hmm [02:36] ok thanks [02:36] recognizes my bluetooth adaptor too [02:36] is it recognizing your devices jusnot being able to access them? [02:36] mine are all getting picked up by ubuntu, but not by the quest xp isntall [02:36] :/ [02:36] ok [02:37] are the usb lines enabled in the .vmx? [02:37] usb.present = "TRUE" && usb.generic.autoconnect = "TRUE" [02:37] ill check that.. [02:37] from the gui it shows that its enabled and present, but i havent looked at the config file [02:38] well i use player, not workstation [02:38] for me it shows devices at the top, and i can toggle them on and off [02:38] CD-ROM, Ethernet, Sound, then all usb devices [02:38] Does anybody here know much about pulseaudio? [02:38] I'm running it, but I seem to get a small amount of latency that wasn't there with just alsa. === Centaur5 [n=fishman@209-33-224-187.dsl.infowest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wobbler [n=wtbfp@pdpc/supporter/active/wobbler] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:41] hmm.. [02:42] i see that first line but not the second line [02:42] ill try adding that one [02:44] is the only difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu the Gnome to KDE desktop envoronments? [02:45] Gat0rvean, not in my opinion [02:45] yes Gat0rvean [02:45] mphill, could you elaborate a bit? [02:46] Kubuntu comes with more bloat, it has Konquor instead of Firefox, Kopete instead of Gaim, just different apps mostly... [02:47] <|NewUser|> BRB [02:47] Personally I like to install ubuntu then get kde core, seems much more stable.... imho [02:47] <---prefers KDE ...old windows guys usually do [02:48] BluesKaj: stop cursing === mstrzele [n=maciej@213-238-127-154.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:48] BluesKaj makes a good point, most Windows user like KDE more, and Mac users tend to like Gnome... [02:48] I said old ...as in the past :) [02:48] BluesKaj: no, next word was the illegal one [02:49] ;) === melaren [n=melaren@dialup-4.227.169.15.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === melaren [n=melaren@dialup-4.227.169.15.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === tale [n=tale@cpe-024-088-253-167.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:49] well learned about pcs on windows first , then saw the light === melaren [n=melaren@dialup-4.227.169.15.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:49] how do i rename a link [02:50] in the command prompt [02:50] or just redirect a link === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:50] !ln [02:50] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands [02:50] aww [02:51] !man [02:51] The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands [02:51] mv filename newfilename === MrFeetio [n=david@c-71-230-5-247.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:51] !kvm [02:51] Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [02:51] ln -s filepointedto filepointedby [02:52] !qemu [02:52] qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo [02:52] !xen [02:52] XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy === andruk [n=chatzill@c-67-166-6-250.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp6-91.lns4.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bcstv [n=bcs@dpc6714288019.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shatrat [n=root@74-137-219-146.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === poorenglish_ [n=poorengl@126.Red-217-126-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === snowpunk98 [n=snowpunk@cpe-67-49-100-131.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:58] Uh, question. [02:59] I installed ubuntu-desktop on my server machine. How can I bring up the ubuntu desktop interface on this laptop? === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === forge2k [n=mark@c-24-147-31-197.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === noname` [n=aaa@c-67-168-103-126.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dfawerefaef [n=asdfwrga@adsl-67-124-146-105.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:00] If I run update-manager through terminal and press 'check' I get the output: current dist not found in meta-release file [03:00] Is that normal, or a problem? === ChakRa [i=UPP@69-89-110-70.dhcp-elns.acd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:01] figured it out [03:02] had to run sudo mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:03] Shaddox, enable remote desktop [03:03] then on the laptop from session, change it to remote === beg1689 [n=brian@ip68-228-159-130.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [03:03] mphill: Uh, can you explain how? I haven't done this before. ^^ === ChakRa [i=UPP@69-89-110-70.dhcp-elns.acd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === atselby [n=adam@pool-71-96-90-235.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:06] on the server click system -> preferences -> remote desktop [03:06] mphil: Give me a few, I'll need to learn how to configure it and all that, but I'm in the middle of dishes. Are you going to be here in about 15-30 minutes? [03:07] probably not bro === jkbys [n=jkbys@218-251-52-236.eonet.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:07] Ah, crap, then let me go turn my server monitor on. [03:08] Also, how do I configure it so GDM does NOT start on startup? [03:08] does ubuntu have the JACK audio plugin? in repos or enabled by default ? any guides on using it? [03:09] xtknight: AFAIK, the jack server *is* in the repos, and if you're interested in it you probably want to check out the ubuntu-studio metapackage === crdlb_ [n=crdlb@pool-71-241-7-64.norf.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === instabin [n=josh@oh-76-5-126-215.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:10] RAOF, ah just trying to get the most out of my audigy2(emu10k2). asio, 24/192 etc === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:10] Shaddox, you can remove GDM maybe rename it in init.d [03:10] xtknight: pulseaudio? Nice & in main :) [03:11] RAOF, ah looks sweet. thanks [03:11] xtknight: Also, unless you're trying to do professional-type recording, I don't think jack will get anything more out of your audigy than ALSA [03:11] nah [03:11] I fixed my glx now im getting a differnet error when x is starting. The nvidia kernel module has version 1.0.9755 but the x module has version 1.0.9631 [03:11] not professional. probably not even recording (well maybe from waveout). i just wanna mess with the output sample rates/ etc [03:11] enthusiast i guess [03:12] xtknight: ALSA allows that. [03:12] how do i change my kernel module to the verison installed with the synaptic [03:12] instabin: Have you tried installing your nvidia driver manually at any point? [03:12] it was when i had 6.10 [03:12] RAOF, unfortunately i have no idea how. docs are very sparse [03:12] but then i up graded to 7.04 [03:13] instabin: Upgrade, not clean install? [03:13] RAOF, i'm trying to get it to sound as good as the kX drivers on my windows. i thought perhaps it was because of the 24-bit 192khz (to my knowldge) i have enabled in windows [03:13] RAOF: Upgrade [03:14] RAOF: update-manager -d === Agnar [n=fc2brown@c-24-8-126-97.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [03:14] why is there no autopackage in feisty? [03:14] xtknight: But all your CDs/MP3s/whatever will be 16bit @ 44KHz, right? Upsampling from there 'aint gonna make anything sound better :) [03:14] I can't find any autopackage tools in the repos [03:14] Eleaf: Because it's broken [03:15] It's needed to run this game I want to try ;) [03:15] RAOF, heh i wonder what it could be then [03:15] Where are the kernel modules at its probably just a messed up symbolic link === Agnar [n=fc2brown@c-24-8-126-97.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:15] instabin: Pastebin your /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file. [03:15] RAOF, is there some type of HW equalizer for the audigy2? i do know kX has that, yet i do not see one for ALSA [03:15] RAOF: its on the other computer its a command prompt right now [03:15] no X [03:16] instabin: Well, then tell me what the DISABLED_MODULES line has in it. [03:16] ok === misfit_toy wonders what pastebin.ca looks like under lynx at a cmd prompt [03:16] Eleaf: Sorry, I replaced "autopackage" with "checkinstall". What's autopackage meant to be? [03:16] checkinstall doesn't work??? [03:16] RAOF: just NV [03:17] instabin: That's your problem :) [03:17] RAOF, it's what lots of projects use to run programs. [03:17] ? [03:17] Eleaf, but you can skip checkinstall most times. [03:17] kinda like a binary that works with all distributions.. I don't know [03:17] misfit_toy, I alsmost always use checkinstall. [03:17] up to you [03:17] RAOF: im trying to install the restricted drivers [03:17] I hate installing source packages without making a deb. [03:17] misfit_toy, why would it not work? [03:18] checkinstall doesnt always track everything correctly [03:18] instabin: Remove that "nv". Your l-r-m-c file should have DISABLED_MODULES="" at the bottom of it. [03:18] Eleaf: Oh, *autopackage*. That shouldn't be in the repos because it doesn't have to be. [03:18] Eleaf: The *whole point* of autopackage is that you don't use the package manager. [03:19] RAOF, isn't there a way to uninstall things when you run an autopackage program? [03:19] Eleaf make -uninstall [03:19] RAOF: its rebooting now [03:19] whenever I'm running this .package program, it says it needs to download autopackage.tar.gz [03:19] misfit_toy, I don't always keep the same source dir. [03:19] that's a horrible method. [03:19] Eleaf: Yes, which is what it's supposed to do. [03:19] oh okay RAOF === cabajgtr [n=chatzill@c-76-102-182-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cabajgtr_ [n=chatzill@c-76-102-182-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:20] misfit_toy, often times, programs don't include uninstall makefiles. === RAOF just builds proper source packages [03:20] RAOF, how do I uninstall the package? [03:20] Eleaf, I guess you install more things than I do. [03:21] misfit_toy, it's bad, because it won't update as things in the repos change, or as dependencies change, etc. [03:21] I need to make a file not writable how should I chmod it? [03:21] RAOF: Now i have same error but different version number [03:21] Eleaf: I don't know. I don't use autopackages. [03:21] lol [03:22] instabin: Ok. install the "linux-generic" and "nvidia-glx-new" packages. Then restart again. [03:22] like it's sprawling stuff all over my ~ dir RAOF [03:22] (installing the program all over). [03:22] RAOF: they are allready installed [03:22] Well, that'll be a user-only install. That's cool. [03:22] and if it was root, would probably put stuff all in /usr, /etc, etc. [03:22] where are the modules at [03:22] There has to be a way to uninstall all that, if autopackage is to be worth anything. [03:23] well stored at ? [03:23] Eleaf: Yes, probably. Autopackage is kinda broken by design, though. It's got an uninstall as far as I know. [03:23] Does anyone know if Nvidia-glx-legacy supports TV out? [03:23] google search says there is an autopackage command... [03:23] but ubuntu doesn't have it. [03:23] cabajgtr: I believe so. [03:23] oh now it does. [03:23] Eleaf: After you've installed an autopackage, it installs the autopackage stuff. [03:24] I'm guessing just for my user? [03:24] yep [03:25] instabin: What was the actual error message again? Also, are you *sure* that the nvidia-glx-new package is installed? [03:26] Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7184, but this X module has the version 1.0-9631 [03:27] instabin, I kept having that and had to remove nvidia* just to get things clean. [03:27] after an upgrade from edgy to feisty === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:28] instabin: You don't have the nvidia-glx-new package installed. === K`zan [n=vw@c-76-22-74-207.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === b00jit [n=boojit@gw.carter.to] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:28] instabin: As misfit_toy says, try removing all the nvidia* packages, try an uninstall of the nvidia.com drivers you're previously installed, *then* install the nvidia-glx-new package. === patrick_ [n=patrick@84.13.82.148] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:29] Hi guys I just fresh installed ubuntu edgy amd64 and I want to perform an upgrade to feisty.... how must this be done [03:29] !upgrade | patrick_ [03:29] patrick_: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [03:30] instabin: Incidentally, you're problems here are why it is *strongly* adviced to just use the nvidia-glx packaged drivers :) === EdsipeR [n=edsiper@175-232-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:30] instabin, and if that doesn't take, you might also even remove the latest kernel and LRM, boot back to a previous kernel and reinstall the newer kernel again...I swear I fought it for a week, but his is an old old nvidia card and the driver changed right in the middle of all my troubles, LOL [03:31] is there any changes between 7.04-server beta and 7.04-server official ? [03:31] EdsipeR: I sure hope so [03:31] heh [03:31] EdsipeR: unless the beta was perfect, which it wasn't === Beta [n=nav@72.248.117.4] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Beta is now known as Fylk [03:31] NickGarvey, where can I get the changelog ? [03:31] phew, said that right before beta came in! wouldn't want to hurt its feelings [03:31] hey, guys, can any one help me install this: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29142704/ [03:31] misfit_toy: removing the kernel modules manualy and then going to reinstall the linux-restricted-modules [03:31] Hi everyone. How do I open a "NEw login in a nested window" Like I could in GNOME on FreeBSD? [03:32] shit how do uninstall a package from the console [03:32] instabin, no cursing.... sudo apt-get remove package [03:32] instabin, sudo apt-get remove packagename [03:33] +p [03:33] Ok, I am totally stuck with with X on my Nvidia GeForce2 Go!. I've tried every nvidia package and tried to use the nvidia installer for 8776, and nothing works. === NickGarvey [n=nick@unaffiliated/nickgarvey] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Gentoo"] [03:33] nvidia-glx does not work? [03:34] cabajgtr_: :( THe nvidia.com installer is never the solution :(. The nvidia-glx package should work for your card. [03:34] All i'm getting right now with legacy is "Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module [03:34] sry and thanks [03:34] I know, I had the nvidia-glx workin on edgy last week [03:34] caba, "uname -r" in a term please [03:35] cabajgtr_: Do you have the appropriate "linux-restricted-modules" package installed? [03:35] How do I get premission to get into my /usr/share/pixmaps directory? [03:35] 2.6.20-15-386 [03:35] cabajgtr_: Or, even better, just install the "linux-generic" package, which will automatically install the right l-r-m [03:35] cabajgtr, do what RAOF says === ChakRa [i=UPP@69-89-110-70.dhcp-elns.acd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:36] Hey guys, why won't it let me write to /usr/share/pixmaps? [03:36] Fylk: Becuase you're not root. Why do you want to write to /usr/share/pixmaps? [03:36] Just some new icons. And how do I get root? [03:37] I am the only user on this install. [03:37] Hi everyone. How do I open a new login window in a nested window on my laptop? [03:37] Fylk: Prepend "sudo" to the command you're trying. Also, where are the icons from? Are you sure they're not already packaged, for example? [03:38] Shaddox do you mean in a terminal? [03:38] ROAF, here's a link: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29142704/ [03:38] *RAOF [03:40] cabajgtr_: No, back when I was on FreeBSD, and logged into GNOME 2.18, there was a option in the Applications area that said "New login in a nested window..." And a new x window would pop up on my existing desktop and I could log in as a different user or use XDMCP, and the screen would be in the nested window. [03:40] Ok, so I updated linux-generic, now what? [03:40] (and rebooted, uname -r 2.6.20-15-386) [03:41] cabajgtr_: Install nvidia-glx, and reboot into the *generic* kernel. [03:41] Fylk: "gksudo nautilus" from a terminal will give you a root nautilus window that you can copy stuff into /usr/share/pixmaps [03:41] is it ok to install it from under 386? [03:41] NICE === ChakRa [i=UPP@69-89-110-70.dhcp-elns.acd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:44] im getting cant find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic === maccam94 [n=maccam94@pool-72-72-84-37.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:44] with apt-get [03:44] am I typing the wrong package name? === soweto76 [n=jack@d226-43-189.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:44] hmmmm ubuntu seems to ignore my fstab and mounts my xfs partition as noexec (maybe lvm has something to do with it?) [03:45] how do I get ubuntu to always mount my xfs partition as exec? [03:45] (yes, i already set exec in /etc/fstab) [03:45] im getting cant find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic [03:46] BUmmer, now in Generic, I have an API mismatch, Kernel module is ver 7184, driver is 9631 === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:47] cabajgtr, you need to reinstall nvidia-kernel-source(s?) [03:48] im using binaries === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF26D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === GluE_ [n=GluE@c-24-23-13-151.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === blenderhead_ [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:52] maccam94, I shouldn't need nvidia source if i'm trying to run binaries should i? === jenda_ [n=jenda@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.jenda] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === carthik [n=Carthik@ubuntu/member/pdpc.carthik] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cabajgtr [n=chatzill@c-76-102-182-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === gourdin [n=adept@bdv75-2-82-66-242-118.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:55] Hi - I was wondering if I could use rsync to download the CD image and then use rsync to update it again after release? [03:55] Did something weird happen in here, or did I just lose my connection? [03:56] netsplit [03:56] irc thing === soweto76 [n=jack@d226-43-189.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === frank23 [n=frank@CPE001839c1904e-CM00080d26a042.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:56] um, ok === BluesKaj [n=kaj@bas1-sudbury98-1128712884.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 === KennethP_ [n=kpo@80.167.165.222] has joined #ubuntu+1 === akrus [n=akrus@62.140.224.26] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:56] is RAOF still here? === matysecek [n=333@87.244.220.22] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cblack0 [n=cblack@24-196-91-180.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:57] RAOF, you here? [03:57] =D [03:57] =) === forge2k [n=mark@c-24-147-31-197.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:58] cathik, why would you want to do that? [03:58] cabajgtr: so I have a smaller download on the day it is released? [03:58] slow connection? [03:58] not really, no. [03:59] i dont want to hit the server hard when the image is finally released :) === andrew is now known as TedStevens [03:59] Why not just dist-upgrade? [03:59] use bittorrent [03:59] that doesn't answer my question :) [04:00] (sorry, don't know the answer, this was my substitution) === dystopianray [n=dystopia@adsl117-124.dyn.koalatelecom.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === eobanb [n=eoban@149-159-4-11.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:00] Thank you, cabajgtr - I appreciate your help. === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rernst_work_alt [n=rernst@192.75.101.66] has joined #ubuntu+1 === enyc [n=enyc@1337.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rernst_work [n=rernst@192.75.101.66] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === patrick_ [n=patrick@84.13.82.148] has joined #ubuntu+1 === b00jit [n=boojit@gw.carter.to] has joined #ubuntu+1 === instabin [n=josh@oh-76-5-126-215.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shatrat [n=root@74-137-219-146.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === andruk [n=chatzill@c-67-166-6-250.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === melaren [n=melaren@dialup-4.227.169.15.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Centaur5 [n=fishman@209-33-224-187.dsl.infowest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === defendguin [n=supertux@cpe-72-181-7-135.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rpedro__ [n=rpedro@87-196-64-7.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Laney [n=your@85.210.32.30] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-56-221.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ryanakca [n=ryanakca@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Shaddox [n=archon@cpe-76-170-140-239.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === greg_g [n=greg@c-75-72-154-21.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-147-106-193.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === KennethP [n=kpo@80.167.165.222] has joined #ubuntu+1 === budluva_ [n=budluva@S010600179a27a377.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Lunar_Lamp [n=Lunar_La@unaffiliated/lunarlamp/x-038437] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wolki [n=wolki@client418.sg.fr.studentenwohnheim-bw.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === clouder`grr [n=clouder@cpe-24-174-204-170.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === navreet [n=navreet@adsl-68-20-220-143.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wutzeknoll [n=wutzekno@P9ce6.p.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xipietotec [n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-247-144.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Gat0rvean [n=floridag@74-140-247-203.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === LastMall [n=here@adsl-70-232-83-191.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === manchicken [n=manchkn@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #ubuntu+1 === brynk_ [n=gerrit@hq.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === boredandblogging [n=asdfasdf@c-24-98-177-125.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PWill [n=paul@cpe-24-208-190-43.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cBau [n=cbau@HSI-KBW-091-089-072-226.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === morfic [n=morfic@sourcemage/mage/morfic] has joined #ubuntu+1 === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jenda [n=jenda@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.jenda] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lan3y [n=your@85.210.32.30] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:01] I've found the servers incredibly fast lately, I think I dl'd an edgy image in 35 minutes a couple weeks ago [04:01] think the network just split [04:01] With rsync that would be down to 3 if you just updating the image [04:02] if you are === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Lunar_Lamp [n=Lunar_La@87.113.88.146.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-56-221.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ryanakca [n=ryanakca@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:03] Hi everyone. How do i open a new nested login in Ubuntu's version of GNOME? === boojit [n=boojit@gw.carter.to] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fools [n=lloyd@S0106002018d951b0.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === TuxRox [n=garrett@71.216.18.84] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:04] ok [04:04] got it fixed [04:04] but i dont under stand something [04:04] I can not seem to add commands to the session start-up dialog. Is anyone else seeing this issue? [04:04] how come on the clean install it has nvidia-glx and on the upgrade it has nvidia-glx-new === dudus [n=dudus@201.91.90.60] has joined #ubuntu+1 === finn_ [n=finn@pD9ED2D96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dystopianray [n=dystopia@adsl117-124.dyn.koalatelecom.com.au] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Kopete] [04:08] Hi everyone. How do i open a new nested login in Ubuntu's version of GNOME? === dudus [n=dudus@201.91.90.60] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ToHellWithGA [n=ryan@s1-125-rt-bras.sm.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ToHellWithGA [n=ryan@s1-125-rt-bras.sm.centurytel.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["poseurs"] [04:09] Shaddox, you might want to check System --> Preferences --> Main Menu under System Tools and make sure New Login is checked off. [04:10] TuxRox: Ah, thanks. Now to fix the sound in my linux build of Enemy Territory. [04:10] Instabin, did you get beyond an API error with different versions of Kernel module and driver? [04:10] I'm getting a bit of delay in pulseaudio (about 100ms), is there anything I can do about this? [04:10] TuxRox: it won't tick in alacarte [04:10] TuxRox: unless you have xnest installed [04:11] For instance, flash videos play for a tiny bit longer after I stop them, and is slightly out of sync. [04:11] (maybe it's just flash, but it seems like there is some definete lag) === LastMall [n=here@adsl-70-232-83-191.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jarrett [n=jarrett@c-71-226-49-67.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:14] anyone use rainlendar? [04:14] so 7.04 is tomorrow? === ferret_0568 [n=ferret_0@cpe-72-183-231-110.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:14] What Intel C2D motherboard should I get? [04:14] I want a nice, compatible, and stable one [04:15] I'm sick of this Dell Latitude C840 laptop I have [04:15] can I have it then? [04:15] No === EdsipeR [n=edsiper@190.82.235.251] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:15] where can I get the latest server edition ? [04:15] \\\/// === bur[n] er has a compaq X1000 that works well [04:16] EdsipeR: define latest [04:16] bur[n] er, latest ubuntu >= 7.04 available [04:17] > 7.04?!?!? 7.04 isn't released until the 19th [04:17] 7.04 "beta" is out [04:17] EdsipeR: you can get the latest beta... or get 6.10... or get a nightly... or even an hourly [04:18] EdsipeR the beta is very stable [04:18] I suggest a upgrade === bur[n] er uses the power of google to yield the beta for EdsipeR: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta === bur[n] er finds that mysql doesn't work in feisty [04:18] well, I have to install another server tomorrow and I would like to know where can I get a newest version than 7.04 beta === Shaddo1 [n=archon@cpe-76-170-140-239.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:18] Can anyone help me with Nvidia API mismatch, I've got an old kernel module sticking around, with a new nvidia-glx driver [04:18] EdsipeR: just get the beta and apt-get update && upgrade [04:18] thanks [04:18] that's all :) [04:18] EdsipeR: if it's a server... don't get feisty [04:19] I have installed beta and works very good [04:19] EdsipeR: I'd suggest edgy === bur[n] er shrugs === comfurtn [n=kyle@mrtc-580128.mis.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === comfurtn [n=kyle@mrtc-580128.mis.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:20] what package is the one that gives the Gl Desktop in the system prefs menu? === meal3837 [n=jason@75-166-29-186.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:25] hdparm is returning 1380MB/s on my sata II drive . . . should I be able to get this faster? [04:25] cached reads [04:26] edgy makes a *great* server [04:26] i wish i hda a use for a server === Hohlraum [n=mlenz@adsl-69-154-34-133.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wehttamb [n=wehttamb@124.187.176.7] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Beta [n=nav@72.248.117.4] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:31] does the migration assistant in 7.04 copy the user settings if you are installing ubuntu to the whole drive or only if you are installing it next to windows [04:31] anyone else seeing the codec install launch from totem acting crazy? [04:31] What is the terminal command to open a root window? [04:31] gt(something) natalius [04:31] Beta: root window? [04:32] A window in which you have root access. [04:32] Beta: I think you can just sudo it . . . at least that's how i get root gedits [04:32] i.e. sudo gedit [04:32] Ok. [04:32] idk if that's the proper way, though === Jordan_U [n=jordan@h-68-164-90-184.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === leal [n=leal@201.66.210.97] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:33] hello [04:33] hi [04:33] does the migration assistant in 7.04 copy the user settings if you are installing ubuntu to the whole drive or only if you are installing it next to windows [04:33] idk [04:33] wehttamb, Either way [04:33] ok thx [04:34] how can i update my initrd on ubuntu? === wlx [n=wlx@210.77.68.252] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:34] i did a upgrade to feisty, but i'm still using the old kernel because the new initrd is not working. === transgress_ [n=transgre@75.137.254.86] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Shaddox [n=archon@cpe-76-170-140-239.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:34] leal, How did you upgrade === meal3837 [n=jason@75-166-29-186.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [04:34] ? [04:35] Can anyone help me with Nvidia API mismatch, I've got an old kernel module sticking around, with a new nvidia-glx driver [04:35] update-manager [04:35] Hello everyone. What is the command to open a new login in a nested window/ === yoasif [n=yoasif@pool-71-167-98-10.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hohlraum [n=mlenz@adsl-69-154-34-133.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === BluesKaj [n=kaj@bas1-sudbury98-1128712884.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [04:35] Jordan_U: everything did work great. === ratshell [n=ratshell@74-128-162-171.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:36] Jordan_U: any tips? === dudus [n=dudus@201.91.90.60] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jpsamara [n=jpsamara@200-158-165-114.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:36] Hi all [04:37] leal, Only to file a bug report and try any updates that come [04:37] Jordan_U: but must have a way to fix that? [04:38] Could I ask a random question real quick may sound odd... Could yall tell me why you like linux over XP? [04:38] Ahh keeps setting off my highlight :) [04:38] ratshell you know how they say there is no dumb question? [04:38] lol [04:38] ratshell: they lied. and that's a question that can light a fire up under some people [04:39] Welll I just want to know why yall like it over Windows. That is all. === goose [n=goose@unaffiliated/goose] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:39] Okay fine, change of question. Anyone here try Cedega 6.0 yet? [04:39] ratshell, because its like an ugly version of a mac [04:39] anyone know how to remove all but the current kernel? [04:39] Hi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game. [04:39] is there any word on this metacity bug? [04:39] metacity just randomly fails to start for me [04:39] not sure why [04:40] did you file a bug report? [04:40] there are already 3 ppl with the same problem when i googled it =) [04:40] i didn't feel motivated to register and file a bug report [04:40] what the filesystem that ubuntu use in initrd files?? [04:40] well those people... did they file a bug report [04:40] yep they did [04:41] i could not mount it. [04:41] for future reference it's a bad idea to run beta software if you don't file bug reports === corevette [n=corevett@adsl-75-35-108-164.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:41] =D [04:41] you couldn't mount an initrd file? [04:41] transgress_: yeah [04:41] what files in synaptic do i need to let apache open my php files??? [04:42] transgress_: i need to update the kernel to 2.6.20 to use my nvidia card... but the initrd is broken. [04:42] transgress_: do you know what the ubuntu procedure to do that? [04:42] or how can i mount it? [04:42] jarrett, use synaptic, but leave the kernel before there, you never know when you'll need it. === Shootfast [n=mark@65.72.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:42] i just tryied: mount -oloop -tramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-386 /initrd/ [04:42] but did not work. [04:43] hey guys, is anyone here able to help me create a new initrd image on a non booting system? [04:43] corevette, i believe you need linapache2-mod-php5 [04:43] Somebody???? [04:43] darkmagez: i have it...here's what i get: 75.35.108.164 [04:43] Shootfast: i'm having the same problem here. [04:43] Hi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game. [04:43] leal, whats your motherboard? [04:44] Shootfast: intel 865 [04:44] leal: Im trying on an XPC Shuttle, same mobo [04:45] Shootfast: do you know the ubuntu procedure to create a initrd? [04:45] corevette, i'm not getting a responce from that ip... [04:45] Shootfast: i use to mount and create the files by hand... but i can't do that in ubuntu... [04:45] yeah but it didnt work, someone suggested I try YAIRD, but i cant use that on the live cd as it cant mount the filesystem :S [04:46] YAIRD? [04:46] its a debian tool for generating initrd files that more closely match your system [04:46] Shootfast: ok. [04:47] so do i have to stick metacity in .Xsession ? === diabolix [n=diabolix@71.195.71.187] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:48] i have a couple of questions.. if i tell my gf to install feisty this weekend, will it automagically install the official nvidia driver? [04:48] diabolix: hopefully [04:48] diabolix: not automatically [04:48] diabolix: but it's an easy install [04:48] ok.. [04:49] and what about mp3s and videos, are all those crazy codec issues cleared up? [04:49] diabolix: doesnt it tell you that the device you have has a propriatary driver and ask if you want it? [04:49] diabolix: mp3 codes installs when you try to play an mp3 file [04:49] Shootfast, i want to wait till the official release, haven't tried yet. [04:49] i see [04:49] how about video codecs? dvdcss? [04:49] Hi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game. [04:49] stuff like that? [04:50] diabolix: that can't be installed by default [04:50] diabolix: it's not legal in some places [04:50] dvdcss is never installed by default as its illegal in the us [04:50] diabolix: don't install feisty [04:50] diabolix: again, easy install tho [04:50] it's got problems :| [04:50] goose: no it doesnt.... whats wrong? [04:50] there's a metacity bug that randomly prevents it from starting [04:50] thats why i use kde :D [04:51] i logged a few minutes ago and had no window decorations [04:51] :O [04:51] can anyone tell me why windows are automatically set to display in every workspace and how i can change that? i cant find a setting. [04:51] is dvd css illegal in australia === AngryElf [n=AngryElf@ip68-100-101-98.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:51] Shootfast: kubuntu? [04:51] or kde package from ubuntu? [04:51] wehttamb: I dunno but i use it here anyways :P [04:51] kubuntu [04:52] shootfast: yea i do as well [04:52] Shaddox, what is hapening with the sound in the q3a engine? [04:52] compiz is easy to setup now.. isn't it? [04:52] brb === goose [n=goose@unaffiliated/goose] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [04:52] I think, since I upgraded to BETA i'm lirc + mplayer + volume up/down, instead of altering the volume, spout a alsa-control error and "mute" the volume instead -- however, it's not a real mute since normal mute control doesn't unmute it....any ideas? [04:52] diabolix: in fact, its installed by default === carthik [n=Carthik@ubuntu/member/pdpc.carthik] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [04:53] diabolix: you just click system>>>preferences>>>Desktop Effects and enable [04:53] i'm wondering if i should tell her to use ubuntu or kubuntu... [04:53] kubuntu ftw :P [04:53] diabolix: kubuntu, always :) [04:54] i just decided to try ubuntu on my laptop, i must admit i am impressed. i almost shat myself when hibernation and sleeping worked. [04:54] and wireless. [04:54] lol === pjman [n=Travis@c-75-73-129-110.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:54] in feisty WPA is enabled by default too [04:54] snap.. i'm upgrading. [04:54] has anyone tried the "windows migration assistant"? === misfit_toy [n=guy@cpe-72-179-7-251.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:55] diabolix: i want to but dont have windows to test it on === len [n=len@c-69-180-157-214.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:56] windows? [04:56] is it just for firefox settings or does it do files and mp3s? === len is now known as Endler [04:56] i think it does documents [04:56] and wallpaper to [04:56] Is there an instruction for use or 'official' overview of gnome-volume-manager in English? I did google but could not find one. [04:57] she's running xp, and just got a virus, and she said "alright damnit, install that linux thingy your always using" [04:57] she decided she can live without the sims. === Dr_willis [n=willis@74-140-6-108.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:58] in kubuntu, amarok is default media player.. right? [04:59] yep [04:59] default song player. [04:59] not video. (not sure it can do video) heh === pjman [n=Travis@c-75-73-129-110.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [04:59] Microsoft will be in big trouble if the game studios ever start doing Linux versions. That's really the only advantage Windows has for home use. [04:59] i did not know that... [04:59] bullgard4: just right click and click help === yoasif_ [n=yoasif@pool-71-167-101-61.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:00] amarok can't (not yet) [05:00] so.. is anyone in here a windows migrant? [05:00] i perfer vlc and xine for videos :) [05:00] diabolix: me [05:00] mplayer ftw [05:00] and you prefer kubuntu? [05:00] diabolix: only coz gnome annoys me [05:01] i am a windows migrant but i didnt use the migration assistant [05:01] Shootfast: Where should I right-click on? [05:01] i used to be a fluxbox guy, but gnome provides such a consistent expirience, i'm actually enjoying it. [05:01] bullgard4: right click on the volume icon in the top right corner and then choose help [05:01] its almost like using a mac. [05:01] diabolix, only in a GOOD way. :) [05:02] kde is so much easier to customize though, gnome baby sits you through everything [05:02] yeah. like a mac that doesn't make me look like an artistic hippy. [05:03] mac annoys me too.... [05:03] true that.. about kde. [05:03] too much bouncing and dragging [05:03] Im tempted to get one of those mac-minis for my next linux box. :) wonder about those mac-tv's [05:03] Shootfast: I like to *use* my computer, not spend hours hunting through the crazily presented "kitchen sink" options to find the switch I'm after :P [05:03] or download osx86 [05:03] Dr_willis, "apple-tv" ? that new device thingy? [05:04] misfit_toy, yea - seen some articals on them. [05:04] then you must hate gnome [05:04] yeah, me too Dr_willis [05:04] The thing I don't like about gnome is they why they take all your options away and decided for you the "one and only best way to do everything" so as not to confuse the user's little brain. If they's shitcan all their "usability studies" I'd be fine with it, 'cause I like some of the aps. [05:04] you know.. when she saw me using kde at work (i have to use suse) she got really excited about the bouncing startup notification.. i think i will install kde. [05:04] misfit_toy, they would be a neat mythtv front end box. :) [05:04] kubuntu [05:04] Dr_willis, zackly [05:04] but for the $$ not sure if ya could build a mini-itx system for about the same. [05:04] put beryl on and she'll be yours forever [05:04] kubuntu is being released the same time as ubuntu.. correct? === bur[n] er really likes kde app launch recognition over gnome... sucks that in gnome, hotkey launchers dont' activate the busy curson [05:05] yes, but it wont get the latest KDE until later in the year i think [05:05] Shootfast, she already fell in love with beryl when i booted sabayon. [05:05] latest as in 4.0? [05:05] Sorry about all the typos. [05:05] yeah === misfit_toy got tired of beryl, mainly cause it works this old nvidia card too much, just not worth it, but it was sure pretty. === wutzeknoll_ [n=wutzekno@P8d11.p.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:06] so.. kubuntu runs well with 512 ram? [05:06] Well, Ubuntu releases are timed to snyc with gnome releases, so it's always going to work out better timing-wise for ubuntu than kubuntu. === RAOF knows Ubuntu does. Gnome get's faster and lighter with each new release :) [05:06] diabolix: well i have 2gb... but it should run ok === Shootfast needs a initrd making tutorial to fix his broken PC :( [05:08] hmm.. maybe i will give her gnome.. i can always just download both and let he try the live versions of each. [05:08] Is it official that the RC is going to be skipped and the final released on Thursday? === misfit_toy looks at KDE and wants to slash and burn menus immediately [05:08] Shaddox, reinstall the kernel? [05:08] Shootfast, ^^ [05:08] doesnt work [05:08] diabolix: I have no idea what that means. [05:09] Shootfast: I still do not understand you: The icon in the top right corner is the windows selector. When pressing on it, Yelp will open and tell me something about 'Windows Selector Applet' but not about gnome-volume-manager [05:09] oh thats right.. ubuntu makes initrd at install time.. [05:09] bullgard4: can you see the volume icon in the top right? right click that === misfit_toy has the *only* gnome sticker on a pickup truck in Texas. [05:09] diabolix, you can install gnome, and kde, and xfce all on the same box and just try them all :) [05:09] Shootfast: How does it look like? [05:10] bullgard4: like a speaker with sound waves comming out [05:10] Shootfast: Yes! Excuse me. I've found it. I'll press on it. [05:10] Dr_willis, yeah.. but she kind of needs some simplicity. [05:10] bullgard4: cool [05:11] shell end up getting confused. [05:11] diabolix: give her a command prompt, nothing simpler === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:11] she knows how to connect to a wifi network on my slackware box using nothing but cli, i wouldn't put it past her. [05:12] because all women know about their cli [05:12] when in doubt - educate. [05:12] its not that she's too dumb to use linux, its that shell get frustraited if it takes too much time. [05:12] zing === Jovial_Jackass [n=feisty@201.35.128.250] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:12] wich is completely understandable. i was a slackware user for a long time, but edgy converted me. even tho i still get angry that headers aren't installed by default. [05:13] diabolix, my wife's new laptop has freaking vista on it, and she wants *me* to help her, hell, it looks like kde to me. [05:13] i'm trying to get into slackware, but i just havnt had the time recently [05:13] Shootfast: If you can't boot, fire up a LiveCD (or, better yet, an AlternateCD - it's got a "repair existing instalation"), chroot into your existing system and then fix it.) [05:13] heh.. 'come show me how to use this program honey, that you have NEVER seen befor! and be quick about it!' [05:13] I don't understand why so many people just use the default desktops arrangements, and use two bars with menus on top in gnome and single bar on bottom for KDE. Sheesh. That's just each's default, not a reason to pick one or the other. It takes all of a few minutes to customize ether one to whatever layout you like. Most people sure aren't very adventurous! [05:14] slackware is nice. i use it on my desktop, but i would never want to take the time to set up a laptop in slackware again. [05:14] ROAF: thanks man, where abouts is repair existing installation? [05:14] Does Feisty use devicescape ? [05:14] i wish more of the disrtos would use the default/vanilla Kde or gnome setuop. that way all the different distros would be easier to learn. :) well learn the basics of the desktop i guess. === geubank4 [n=chatzill@cpe-76-183-250-45.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:15] like slackware.. doesn't even ship with a slackware icon or splash screen, everything is vanilla. [05:15] Moving the wife from a Mandrake, to a ubuntu box.. shouldnt mean she needs to relearn where all the kde/gnome/whatever icons are now at. [05:15] Jordan_U: for as much as possible, yes. [05:15] Shootfast: The icon shaped as a loudspeaker symbol according to Synaptic Synaptic: "enables you to control the sound volume on your system." But I did ask for a description of gnome-volume-manager. gnome-volume-manager has a different function: It allows to set settings of removable media. [05:15] Jordan_U: GIT-SHA 4d0fb64df98a9e21644525615df34ab2056eb569 [05:16] crimsun, Does that mean that it uses the new broadcom drivers that I have heard are much better? [05:16] Shootfast: If you boot from the AlternateCD, there's a boot option "repair existing..." which will boot up, then ask you which partition you'd like to chroot into. From there, you just want to do whatever to fix your system (probably just an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) [05:16] what kernel does feisty ship with? [05:16] Jordan_U: no. It has been merged but likely won't appear until a post-release feisty-updates kernel upload. [05:16] thats awesome, thanks alot RAOF [05:16] diabolix: 2.6.20.point release + patches [05:17] diabolix: 2.6.20-15-generic usually. [05:17] crimsun, So would something like that actually added after release or would it just be in backports / Gutsy? [05:17] does anyone happen to know if the rtl818x wireless driver made it in again? its in edgy, and i need it for my laptop. [05:18] that is a ralink chipset is it not? [05:18] I prefer distro don't do too much customizing of the layout either, because I do it myself anyway, and it's quicker starting from a more standard base. I especially don't like the way Kubuntu screws around with Konqueror and tries to dumb it down. [05:18] nomasteryoda, yeah. [05:18] well guys gotta go, great talking to you all, thanks for the help [05:18] Jordan_U: you might want to reread what I typed. :) [05:18] diabolix, i would think it is in the packages... [05:18] Hi everyone. How do I get sound working in Enemy Territory? [05:19] but looking might help [05:19] crimsun, No, I just don't understand what you typed :) [05:19] nomasteryoda, it shiped with an edgy kernel update that nobody seems to know about. [05:19] Shaddox, alsamixer in a console to see what is muted [05:19] where would i be able to find that information? [05:19] The windows version in WINE works, but the linux build has no sound. [05:19] diabolix, open a terminal and type that command as user [05:20] Hmm.. darn clock is showing time in 24 hr format still.. [05:20] nomasteryoda: What is all this? [05:20] Jordan_U: the new bcm43xx driver has been merged in our feisty fit tree. It will not be available in the feisty release. It /may/ ship as in a feisty-updates kernel upload. [05:20] Jordan_U: feisty fit -> feisty git [05:21] Dr_willis, mine did that for 2 days after upgrading from edgy then one day fixed itself. [05:21] nomasteryoda, what comand? [05:21] alsamixer [05:21] misfit_toy, heh - i never upgraded.. clean install.. [05:21] crimsun, What is Feisty-updates exactly? [05:21] Jordan_U: updates for feisty. [05:21] misfit_toy, i still think the clock should DEFAULT to 12hr/am/pm format. :) [05:21] nomasteryoda, its not a sound card, its a wireless card. [05:21] nomasteryoda: I opened alsamixer, but have no idea what any of this is. ^^ [05:21] 'for people' heh heh [05:21] oh, ... thought you asked about sound [05:21] crimsun, So it will be available in an update? [05:22] sorry that was Shaddox [05:22] Dr_willis, me too, but I have coworkers that would disagree, weird. [05:22] Jordan_U: if feisty-updates is a repository containing updates for feisty... [05:22] no. i was wandering if the rtl818x wifi driver made its way into feisty. [05:22] Shaddox, use cursor keys to navigate around and raise levels ... anything with MM is muted [05:22] nomasteryoda: What is supposed to be unmuted for a game that uses the OSS sound codec to work? [05:22] misfit_toy, well the ubuntu mantra is linux for 'people' :) of course i think the clock 'should' see that you changed the time format and auto-change to it.. not have to be restarted (in kde at least) not sur eif gnome does it that way or not [05:22] crimsun, Please try not to be condescending [05:22] nomasteryoda: I installed alsa-oss and use the "aoss et" command to launch my game. === fulat2k [n=fulat2k@2.206.208.218.brf01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:23] Jordan_U: I'm not [05:23] ah [05:23] Jordan_U: I've explain it three times; I'm not sure if it can be any clearer [05:23] Are Epson's Avasys gpl'd drivers every going to make it in? [05:23] explained, even [05:23] well i guess i was on the right track [05:23] ever [05:23] nomasteryoda: I unmuted everything, still no sound. [05:23] and raised levels up? [05:23] Dr_willis, in gnome the time change thing occurs realtime when you change it. [05:24] anyon ehere using lirc + mplayer? === misfit_toy just wants to fix this multimedia keyboard shortcut issue and that will be *it* for feisty issues...grrr [05:24] misfit_toy, yea. :) of course I have a clock on the wall.. so why do i need one in the taskbar. [05:24] Shaddox, if you are typing that command, i think a "-d" will do debug [05:24] Shaddox: aoss rarely works with quake3-based games. [05:24] Dr_willis, heh [05:24] wait, do you have another player running... amarok? [05:24] can someone running feisty do "modprobe r818x" and tell me if the module is found? [05:24] misfit_toy: tried keytouch ? [05:24] Shaddox: it's caused by the particular method in which the audio engine handles buffering [05:25] stdin, uh uh [05:25] i won't upgrade if my wireless driver isn't in it. [05:25] stdin, aptable? [05:25] !keytouch [05:25] Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net [05:25] !info keytouch [05:25] willis@kubuntu:/media$ locate r818x [05:25] /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/ubuntu/wireless/rtl818x/r818x.ko [05:25] keytouch: A program to configure the extra function keys of the keyboard. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.99+2.3.0beta4-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 419 kB, installed size 1888 kB [05:25] crimsun: Then how do I get my sound working? [05:25] Shaddox: you're better off just using alsa's oss emulation by itself [05:25] misfit_toy: yeah [05:25] not found diabolix .... [05:25] RAOF, if you're back, I'm still having trouble with my NVIDIA-GLX, now I have api mismatch, an old Kernel-module [05:25] damn... [05:25] hang on [05:25] Shaddox: well, it largely depends if your sound hardware supports mmap [05:25] *sniffle( [05:25] stdin, I have been looking for a while for something like that as the gnome shortcuts don't work in feisty, at least not all of them, let me give it a shot. [05:25] crimsun: How do I find out? [05:26] Shaddox: do you get any errors about mmap when you start ET? === philip [n=philip@adsl-69-230-181-173.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:26] crimsun: I get no errors, the game starts up and runs well, except for the fact that there's no sound at all anymore. ^^ [05:26] misfit_toy: you can use keytouch-editor to assign function to the keys too (for ones that aren't working with keytouch), it's how I got mine working [05:26] diabolix, is that a pcmcia card or what? [05:26] crimsun, I asked if it was gong to be added in an update because I thought that packages were frozen and that only bug fixes were released after Feisty is Final, you have not made it clear weather Fesity-updates is a repository similar to backports or if you are just referring to normal updates to main. [05:26] Anybody been able to clear out old nvidia kernel module, to get a new one installed? [05:27] stdin, very cool, going to play with it now, thank you! [05:27] torrent for the warez pre-release 0-day OEM version of feisty, anyone? === yoasif [n=yoasif@pool-71-167-103-186.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:27] nomasteryoda, its a minipci. [05:27] forgot, RTM too [05:27] ah [05:27] warez> [05:27] i might have to use ndiswrapper. [05:27] heh. [05:27] philip: I wouldn't trust it. If they haven't released it officially, it's most likely not going to work, or is some form of spyware/adware. [05:27] diabolix, well in that case, could you not just order a nice intel one for about $22 US? [05:28] just a thought [05:28] that is what i have in my other laptop [05:28] im using the beta.. when its officially released.. apt-get update/upgrade.. and poof its there. :) [05:28] It's good timing for the Windows migration utility. Just about now a lot of people are finding they can't, or just don't want to upgrade to Vista. Exactly how much does it migrate beyond browser bookmarks? [05:28] Jordan_U: the packages are frozen. Updates are not restricted to bugfixes; it depends how invasive - and on the magnitude - of the changes. feisty-updates is for small, non-invasive fixes. feisty-backports is not restricted to small bugfixes. Only feisty-updates is supported. feisty-backports is completely your problem if it hoses something. [05:28] its built in to my laptop, the bios won't boot if i replace it. [05:28] but looks like tons of folks have crashes witht hat card [05:28] wyat? [05:28] crimsun: The game starts fine, just no sound. [05:28] minipci is plugin [05:28] crimsun, Thank you [05:28] crimsun: I don't even get ping errors, which is unusual. [05:28] Dr_willis, I'm on feisty here since Jan too, too many settings not working right now, I need a fresh install [05:28] hi folks, where's the checkbox to enable compiz in feisty? [05:29] nomasteryoda, right. but my bios shits on me when i swap it out. [05:29] thats nuts..this dell boots with it... and its not a dell part... weird.. [05:29] thats actually common in laptops. [05:29] i understand [05:29] by the way, is the network-manager work out of the box now? mine is still broken === Assimilator [i=Burp@d220-238-247-56.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:29] too bad though... cause i have a ralink card in my server wireless media box [05:30] oh well, back to debian for that box [05:30] eh.. i can't complain about a laptop that was $400 US when new. [05:30] true [05:30] and i got everything to work in linux.. so.. not a bad buy. [05:30] mine was gift... old hand-me-down that i had to hack to get soundworking.. [05:30] ubuntu is nice on it [05:31] mine will be fine until dell starts shipping with ubuntu preinstalled [05:31] ubuntu is just plain nice.. [05:31] diabolix, wait [05:31] it is in feisty [05:31] yeah my only problem is my Q3 engine sound X_x [05:31] oh rly? [05:31] dang...wrong terminal [05:31] ya [05:31] i had my mythtv term open by mistake [05:31] hang on === snax [n=snax@c-24-17-192-192.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:32] yup [05:32] loaded up sweet... dmesg reports all is well [05:32] sweet. now i will upgrade. i just need to back up my mp3s. i've been meaning to put them all on my ps3 anyways. [05:32] heh [05:32] should I just grab the 4-15 image or just wait til the 19th? [05:32] notebooks actually make good home linux servers when they get old, because they don't impact the electricity bill much, the slowness of notebook hard drives doesn't really matter much for a home server. [05:32] wait [05:32] and my ps3 lets my get them back off of it. thats awsome to me. [05:32] wait for what? [05:33] oh, that was for philip === |Pollywog| [n=Pollywog@69-12-173-117.static.humboldt1.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:33] ok. [05:33] good. now i will upgrade. [05:33] no, looks like loads good [05:33] Is there an instruction for use or summarizing overview of gnome-volume-manager? I did google but could not find one. [05:33] using the .15 kernel [05:33] They make especially good servers when the screen dies and they are useless for anything else :) [05:33] 2.6.20.15? [05:33] <|Pollywog|> I am having trouble with nvidia riva fb, I need to disable it so that I can install nvidia-glx [05:34] bullgard4: g-v-m manages mass storage and other volumes [05:34] nomasteryoda, whats uname -r say? [05:34] 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP [05:34] that's mine [05:34] awsome. [05:34] awsome to the max. [05:34] =D [05:34] can I wipe all directories except /home, then reinstall and /home would be untouched? [05:34] crimsun: Where is a more verbose description of it? [05:34] philip: no [05:34] alright.. off to do homework. [05:34] thanks all. [05:35] philip: only if /home is a different partition [05:35] er, all distros I know of wipe directories.... needs to be a separate partition [05:35] bullgard4: apt-cache show gnome-volume-manager [05:35] bur[n] er, if I choose not to reformat it, it should work right? [05:35] It's best if you keep /home as it's own partition--then when you upgrade you can wipe out the whole root partition without worry. [05:35] philip: i don't think so [05:36] philip, I may be wrong but I think that the migration assistant can transfer your home folder, but you should put /home on it's own partition anyway [05:36] Jordan_U: i think you're wrong ;) === Pollywog [n=Pollywog@69-12-173-117.static.humboldt1.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:36] crimsun: Thank you. [05:36] philip, there are issues with settings from gnome, kde that can dork up a new installl... i make a new user copy over data i need... backup to extra hd before starting the install [05:37] I never know how much space to allocate for root (everything except /home) so I just leave /home inside root [05:37] I need to disable rivafb to get nvidia to work, but editing the kernel .config and recompiling did not do the trick [05:37] + if you load multiple disro into different partitions, you can still have them all use the same /home partition. Just make sure you choose a different home folder name for each distro. [05:38] doesn't commenting out a module and then running 'make oldconfig' work anymore? === someothernick [n=ron@pool-72-85-212-114.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:38] Pollywog, you have a riva 128? [05:38] no I have geforce [05:38] ive had some issues in the past with sharing /home with differnt disrtos. [05:38] I need that riva thing disabled [05:38] philip: i have xfce + kde +ubuntu and have partitioned off 10 gigs for / [05:38] Pollywog, then why are you having a problem with rivafb? [05:39] philip, good rule of thumb... 6gb for root is ok if you put var in another partition... and 15gb for root if you leave var in root and want to install lots of extra packages [05:39] dunno I have never had a problem until now [05:39] but, ymmv === hooray [n=aa@adsl-154-37-134.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:39] why does var matter? [05:39] What issues? You can have big issues if you try to you the same home folder. Otherwise, I can't think of any. [05:39] /var/www? [05:39] i have gnome, fluxbox, kde, xfce, blackbox, ... etc all in 15gb for root [05:39] I can't compile nvidia drivers === bur[n] er symlinks /var/www to /home/user/Website :) [05:40] theres a website where u can dl packages, i forgot the name, anyone know what im talking about? [05:40] shortname [05:40] hooray: packages.ubuntu.com [05:40] says failed rivafb sanity check [05:40] a different site than that one [05:41] hooray: cnr? [05:41] Pollywog, compile? [05:41] i dled deluge from it [05:41] I guess I could try to compile a 2.6.17 kernel for feisty [05:41] oh wait [05:41] lol not that short [05:41] I can't get nvidia to work in feisty let's just put it that way [05:41] i think it has get in the name [05:42] Pollywog, have you tried nvidia-glx(-new) ? [05:42] apt-get install nvidia-glx complains about my kernel [05:42] new? [05:42] no I have not [05:42] Pollywog,what kernel do you have?... [05:42] I'm thinking they are going to release 4-15 as 4-19 :/ hasn't been updated daily since 4-15 [05:42] 2.6.20 [05:42] installed feisty today === bur[n] er uses -new on a geforce 6200 [05:42] uname -a [05:42] hooray, "As of Feisty, Deluge is in Ubuntu's universe repository. DO NOT INSTALL THIS VERSION" http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Downloads === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-165-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:43] and updated and rebooted? Pollywog [05:43] nomasteryoda: yes [05:43] ok [05:43] !pastebin [05:43] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [05:43] oh yes that new one seems to be the correct one [05:43] thanks people :) [05:43] post the error to that [05:44] weird thing, deluge isnt in regular synaptic, only in add/remove programs [05:44] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org [05:44] but i cant use deluge anyways [05:44] hooray: it was recently taken out... check launchpad or something [05:44] hooray: you can't? === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.4.205] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:44] hooray, what happens if you: sudo apt-get install deluge-torrent ? === TedStevens is now known as andrew [05:45] it crashes, im on xfce4, dunno if it install necc dependencies correctly [05:45] the feisty script failed due to an error in Samba, but I was unable to report the bug due to a malfunction in the bug reporting system [05:45] hooray: http://deluge-torrent.org/downloads/deb/ Use that repository :) it has 0.5 [05:45] crdlb: supposedly 0.4 is not anymore in the archives, so you get 0.5 probably [05:45] E: Package deluge-torrent has no installation candidate [05:45] my other machine does not have samba so did not experience the same problem [05:45] E: Couldn't find package deluge === Frost^ [n=sweiss@89-139-184-110.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:46] The one problem you can have with sharing a /home partition is that during install, some distros just assume that you want your home folder to be the same as your username, and you need to have a different home folder for each distro. To be safe, it is best to just choose a different username for each install and let it create that matching home folder. Then, after install is finished, go back and change the username to the regular [05:46] one you always use. The home folder will remain the same though, so you will end up with the same username for each distro, but a different home folder. [05:46] so download the deb that bur[n] er is doing [05:46] feisty script for what Pollywog ? === RyanRyan52 [n=ryan@pool-71-182-69-42.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:46] ... failures are not an option... =D === philip [n=philip@adsl-69-230-181-173.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] === fqh [i=fqh@219.131.234.211] has joined #ubuntu+1 === philip [n=philip@adsl-69-230-181-173.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:47] nomasteryoda: the upgrade script for edgy [05:47] edgy to feisty [05:47] ah [05:47] guys I am trying to access the changelog in /usr/share/doc/aptoncd/ === RyanRyan52 [n=ryan@pool-71-182-69-42.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:47] well, that is not smart ... but that is my humble opinion... apt-get update, apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade works for me... [05:48] Pollywog, you mean the update-manager -d thing? [05:48] i've learned to love the console [05:48] doing a gedit /usr/share/doc/aptoncd/changelog.Debian.gz I get a binary file thing? I can't open that file, is there some file through which I can see the binary file in proper way [05:48] crdlb: I don't know I used the procedure in the topic, for kubuntu [05:49] Is kerneljanitors.org available now? I can't access it. [05:49] now if someone would tell me why my battlestar: beyond the redline game will not work... oh, wait it was as script that installed it .. doh [05:49] oh kubuntu doesn't have the update-manager [05:49] nomasteryoda, That is NOT the correct way and NOT the same as update-manager, at least in Dapper -> Edgy just dist-upgrading left many people with a very broken install. [05:49] worked on one machine that does not run samba but not on the one that has samba [05:49] If you have make sure your main user ID is assigned the same UID in all distros, then you will be able to acces all you data from all your distros easily from home no matter which distro you boot from. [05:50] I ddid not use the update-manager [05:50] I used the procedure specified for kubuntu that included a python script [05:50] that is what i've heard, but i ran apt-get update, upgrade,dist... about 4 times... Pollywog might want to run those commands to see if he gets any success... if ubuntu is getting away from debian's roots of apt-get dist-upgrade, maybe it's time to move on [05:51] sorry, gutsy leaves me wanting debian ... [05:51] nn [05:51] nomasteryoda, "Manual command-line upgrade (not recommended) [05:51] Please note - this method is less reliable. If you use this method, you MUST be prepared to fix problems manually, such as packages being unexpectedly removed, apt crashing unexpectedly, etc. Using Update Manager (see above) is likely to be much less problematic. " from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades [05:52] I installed debian 4.0 on a system just a few days ago, and everything went flawlessly. [05:52] like i said ... ymmv and imho .. to clairfy my statements... [05:52] It will age quickly though; that's the problem. [05:52] been using linux since 1998... and want to help out the best way possible [05:53] the update will be recommended for most folks [05:53] manager that is === dystopianray [n=dystopia@adsl117-124.dyn.koalatelecom.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:53] nomasteryoda: i'm pretty sure apt isn't going anywhere anytime soon [05:53] good === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:53] thanks [05:54] or whew, i needed that [05:54] guys how I can unzip a .gz without disturbing the archive, it should just extract but leave the .gz alone [05:54] shirish, gunzip ? [05:54] How much more has Feisty been optimized to make use of Upstart for quick boot times? [05:55] shirish, or do you mean the opposite? [05:55] shirish: zcat blah.gz > blah [05:55] Endler: it's still mostly sysv init scripts afaik [05:56] shirish: or gunzip -c blah.gz > blah [05:56] Endler, good... [05:56] i have all 3 debian dvds .. and am torrent'n them back [05:56] dystopianray: the archive is already there, I just want to extract it without disturbing the archie [05:57] shirish: that's what i'm telling you how to do [05:57] Hmm. I thought they just kind of wanted to get it in there for Edgy, and then get to work on actually implement it next go round. [05:58] ok cool [05:58] shirish: both of those commands decompress to stdout and then redirect the output to a new file === DrColossus_ [n=blah@220-245-203-222-wa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:00] dystopianray: both of the commands somehow don't work, i am in /usr/share/doc/aptoncd & trying to decompress the changelog.Debian.gz without success [06:00] dystopianray: I used the sudo before [06:01] shirish: you need to redirect to somewhere you have permission to write to [06:02] shirish: if you just want to read the changelog use less, it can read gziped files [06:02] shirish: less changelog.Debian.gz [06:02] I have an old NVIDIA kernel 7184 that I cant seem to uninstall, and it is conflicting with nvidia-glx. can someone help? [06:02] dystopianray: I already tried that, it says the file is a binary file [06:02] dystopianray: and then gives an error output [06:02] dystopianray: I mean the gedit gives some error output [06:02] shirish: don't use gedit, use less [06:03] dystopianray: using less with changelog.Debian.gz gives me lot of things but no english [06:04] shirish: well do $ zcat blah.gz > ~/blah [06:04] shirish: and read the result out of your home dir === Pollywog [n=Pollywog@69-12-173-117.static.humboldt1.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:04] !pastebin [06:04] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [06:04] dystopianray: thanx was able to do that :) [06:05] shirish: there must be something wrong with your less, or wrong with how your'e using it, it reads gziped files without issue here [06:05] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16193/ [06:05] dystopianray: for most of the changelog.Debian.gz it reads without issues, with some there is an issue I haven't understood why I use the same thing === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p5B15F9C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:05] dystopianray: 'less' I mean [06:05] I upgraded my kernel but I am not sure it will boot [06:06] cabajgtr, you never used the manual installer from nvidia.com ? [06:06] Pollywog: wise words, always have more than one kernel :) [06:06] Pollywog, it should be a newer kernel than .3 [06:06] I have more than one === pwuertz_ [n=pwuertz@dslb-084-058-009-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:06] If you think there is something up with less, why not try most? [06:06] because less is more :) [06:06] .3 seems to be the newest [06:06] nomasteryoda: lol, somehow I have found the 2.6.20-12 to be the most stable one so far atleast on my machine [06:07] cool [06:07] but why are the sources .3 if there is a stock kernel newer than that? [06:08] the stock kernel would not run vmware so I had to compile one [06:08] er, there is a way to do that without compiling kernel.... [06:08] Anyone tried virtualbox? [06:08] I ran make prepare-all [06:08] but i'm not sure where i found the solution.... i have vmware workstation here [06:09] ya [06:09] that was not sufficient === patizivs [n=agris@213.180.122.187] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:09] okay here goes the reboot. [06:10] if it fails I will come back on my laptop [06:10] lol === Taim [n=taim@27.pyvl4.xdsl.nauticom.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === elkbuntu_ [n=melissa@ppp24-108.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Adlai [n=adlaiff6@to196-145.resnet.stonybrook.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:16] ok guys be back in a while. === esstone [n=esstone@c-24-19-6-182.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mphill [n=mphill@CPE-70-92-242-47.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === effie_jayx [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu+1 === starz [n=pie@unaffiliated/starscalling] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tag [n=scott@74-60-9-217.sea.clearwire-dns.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:25] has anyone else noticed that save as dialogs like, jerk back and forth? [06:25] I know the feisty release is in like two days === consty [n=grimlock@pool-71-117-93-19.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:26] Anyone purchase a system76 laptop before? If so, anyone know how long it usually takes them to move to a new release of Ubuntu pre-installed? === torshido [i=torshido@gateway/tor/x-d1c90734afdce2b6] has joined #ubuntu+1 === phrizek [n=josephri@bearcrk-wilvil-bldr-220-212.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DShepherd [n=dwight@72.252.132.188] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:29] consty: why not install feisty yourself? [06:30] consty: 24 hours [06:30] if that [06:30] dystopianray: Oh I could.. but I mean if it's only a day wait I might as well, right? [06:30] bur[n] er: Really? That quick eh? [06:31] dystopianray, i think he's asking because he wants the extra level of support... if they install, then they cover it... right? [06:31] And they install a bunch of other cool stuff for you, too. [06:31] y [06:31] well technically they cover it with feisty anyway once it's released so [06:31] camera support, modem, ... === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:31] exactly [06:32] so its a good choice for someone wanting fully supported hardware [06:32] =D [06:32] So I mean if it's usually only 24 hours (that how long it took them to go from dapper to edgey?), then I'll wait. === Gat0rvean [n=floridag@74-140-247-203.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fqh [i=fqh@219.131.234.211] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dasnipa` [n=Dasnipa@alphathree.stev196.eiu.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Gast313 [i=Webseite@p5493D34F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:35] I have a borked laptop right now anyway, so I definitely need to replace it. === Dasnipa` [n=Dasnipa@alphathree.stev196.eiu.edu] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] [06:38] is ther some place I should go to report how happy with the stuff I have instaleed I am? [06:39] tell your local newspaper... no, really let them know.... write a letter to the editor on how nice Ubuntu is [06:39] so other folks will say, hey... maybe there is something better than windows for most stuff === Brush01uk [n=Brush01u@62-30-75-207.cable.ubr03.brom.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === seamus7 [n=seamus7@h214.10.141.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:41] so upgrading from edgy to feisty should be saner this time? [06:41] yes [06:41] we are having an installfest all over Latin America, this 28th [06:41] very nice [06:41] Flisol 2007: http://www.installfest.info/ === ferret_0567_ [n=ferret_0@cpe-72-183-231-110.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:41] i run into people who I never would think use Linux... and they run... Ubuntu! [06:42] do you think Feisty will be ready on time for this event? [06:42] i expect so... [06:42] I'm using GDM. When I click "Log out..." in Kubuntu, it only shows the "Log Out" button [06:43] the package updates keep slowing down to a trickle now [06:43] ferret_0567_, have you restarted? [06:43] Yes [06:43] that is something i've seen too... [06:43] using the update manager.... [06:44] i think there are some weee buggers with having gdm while running kde [06:44] but that is just my narrow vision... [06:44] And, it worked in Edgy [06:44] its working for me now... but i switched to kdm instead of gdm [06:45] I now triple boot Feisty, Edgy and Vista ... I wonder how long before I can just wipe my Edgy partition and stick with Feisty? Do you think it would be mad to make the full switch now? [06:45] bloody hell this new kubuntu partitioner is horrible [06:45] Nope [06:45] seamus7: Yeah, as long as you've got a livecd handy should something absolutely crazy happen. [06:46] yea [06:46] Yeah, actually [06:46] good idea [06:46] like wild kernel downgrade, err i mean upgrade === ferret_0567_ [n=ferret_0@cpe-72-183-231-110.satx.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Kopete] [06:47] RAOF: hmm Feisty is working so nicely that I feel compelled to move to it asap [06:47] anyone else with intel graphics noticing that their laptop screen turns on when the mouse is moved, despite the lid being closed? === Maithai [i=Maithai@p5493D34F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:50] ya, mine does that... but i use the suspend to ram mode now... and its not doing it... =D [06:51] that now works on feisty [06:51] well of course the screen isn't going to turn on when the machine is sleeping [06:51] my bluetooth mouse also works... but i had to do a little tweak to the config file to make it stick.. i power down and back up with the mouse . still finds it [06:51] =D [06:52] its not a bug, its a feature =/ [06:52] well it allows the screen to come back to life when the lid is closed and opened [06:52] Is it a known problem for nvidia drivers to have a problem with Feisty right now? === Ademan [n=dan@h-69-3-235-237.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:53] but it shouldn't turn the screen on when the lid is closed [06:53] Centaur5: No? What is your problem? [06:54] RAOF: Well I just installed nvidia-glx today and xorg.conf has the nvidia driver configured to use but glxgears can't run [06:54] Centaur5: Did you reboot after installing the driver? *How* did you install the driver? [06:55] yes, cause I also upgraded to the new kernel through the updates right before [06:55] Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". [06:55] Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual [06:55] are there any known issues with amd64 4000+ on a gigabyte k8nf9 ultra ? [06:56] And how did you install the drivers? With the restricted manager? [06:56] synaptic [06:56] because i wasn't able to either start or install ubuntu/kubuntu 5.10 - 7.04 === jdrake [n=jdrake@fyodor.hcoop.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:56] I just looked at the restricted manager and it shows that my nvidia drivers are in use. [06:57] Maithai: It's possible you need to boot with noacpi and friends, because your bios is broken. === binskipy2u [n=binskipy@user-0c6t48k.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:57] uhm... [06:57] Centaur5: nvidia-glx, or nvidia-glx-legacy? [06:57] 2 more days till fiesty [06:57] Is the release so far on track for tomorrow (or close to)? [06:57] woohoo [06:57] what do you mean with "broken" ? === acidtabs [n=fassfd@c-76-16-7-17.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:58] Maithai: As in "it is not standards-compliant, and the kernel doesn't have an explicit work around for it" [06:58] RAOF: It wasn't the lecagy [06:58] oh okay [06:58] i'll try that one then :) [06:58] be right back in a few [06:58] Centaur5: Hm, I'm off, but pastebinning your /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be helpful. === patizivs [n=agris@213.180.122.187] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [06:59] okay, I'll do that [06:59] Who should I have check it out? === asad2005 [n=asad@84.255.143.224] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:04] dystopianray: you still around? [07:04] shirish: yes [07:05] ok I'm having trouble finding this terminus font to use in the gnome-terminal, any ideas? [07:05] shirish: no, sorry [07:06] dystopianray: can u install it [07:06] shirish: i don't have access to a feisty machine right now [07:07] dystopianray: ah ok what are u on then anyway? [07:07] shirish: edgy === HorizonXP [n=HorizonX@libnaa219.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:07] ah ok, cool [07:08] i am backing up my data before installing feisty [07:08] dystopianray: you in the process of upgrading it or studying the options? [07:08] anyone know why on bootup, network manager says i'm connected to my university wireless network, but really isn't? [07:08] dystopianray: thought so, hopefully it becomes a smooth ride for you. === Toma- [n=e17@203-59-13-104.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Maithai [i=Maithai@p5493D34F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === melinate [n=nathan@pool-71-109-177-33.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dfgas_ [n=dfgas@adsl-75-44-48-142.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:11] I think I will write a patch before installing feisty though === jhurst [n=jhurst@adsl-75-62-127-0.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:13] is feisty comming out tommarow? [07:14] acidtabs: apparently === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sanityx [n=sanityx@pool-71-249-127-166.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:14] just wondering sigh [07:14] acidtabs: "week of the 19th" [07:15] not at 12am on the 19th :) [07:15] If no big bugs are found in the RC candidate... why not? :o [07:15] ok thx for the tip === atoponce [n=aaron@oalug/member/atoponce] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Trewas [n=ilonen@raato.lut.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PMT [n=rich@c-68-39-249-165.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Jurgeni [i=jurgeni@kapsi.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hylje [i=hylje@194.187.214.214] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Gh0sty [n=ghosty@ip-81-11-185-200.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Uqbar [n=o3@orbistertius.org] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sri [i=[S1vBTfn@onyx.spiritone.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:16] I can't seem to get Feisty to boot at all. [07:16] I just get a black screen after a while. [07:16] i can even eject the cd === Sebastian [n=sb@p50885B6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:17] sanityx: the livecd locks the cdrom so you can't eject it [07:17] dystopianray, yes. i know that. [07:17] but i boot off the cd [07:17] and then i hit enter and it starts booting [07:17] and then eventually [07:17] i just get a black screen and the cd light goes off and i can eject it [07:18] sanityx: at what point does it fail and are there any error messages? [07:18] oh you can eject [07:18] There's an error about a buggy bios. But I can boot 6.10 and 6.06 just fine. === mistone [n=mistone@c-24-5-196-208.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:19] And other people are reporitng feisty booting fine with the same laptop :-( [07:20] I just got the -15 kernel and now when I pop in my SD card into my intergrated card reader it mounts as read only [07:20] halp? === ^^kalm [n=kalm@220-245-220-108-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:22] mistone: sdhci card reader? [07:22] this is really fustrating me [07:22] anyone know why on bootup, network manager says i'm connected to my university wireless network, but really isn't? [07:22] i know the disk is good too because it boots in vmware [07:22] dystopianray: how do I check? [07:22] HorizonXP: are you sure you aren't? [07:22] <^^kalm> Hey, i'm finding Feisty unusually slow (compared to Edgy for example) [07:22] mistone: dmesg | grep -i sdhci should tell you [07:23] ^^kalm: run top and see if any processes are consuming lots of cpu [07:23] dystopianray: that returned nothing [07:23] dystopianray: positive; i have no IP address, and Firefox doesn't go to my uni's wireless logon page [07:23] oooo theres a new bios for my system [07:23] yay! === ke [n=kenneth@port272.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:24] mistone: ok so you must have some other type of card reader [07:24] its scsi not shci [07:24] or whatever you said [07:24] scsi 4:0:0:2: Direct-Access Generic- SD/MMC 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS [07:25] it worked perfect before [07:25] I dunno exactly when it changed [07:25] but recently [07:25] i only have a sdhci reader which i was going to test if you had one [07:25] if i cant get feisty to boot im going to freak [07:26] OH [07:26] I think I fail at life [07:26] mistone: read-only switch was set on the card? [07:26] let me see if I had the lock thing on [07:26] yea [07:27] oh btw my cmoputer keeps randomly freezing its either beryl or the low-latency kernel + realtime preemtion module [07:28] mistone: try to reproduce with a normal kernel [07:28] yea I will test that out === yoasif [n=yoasif@pool-71-167-103-186.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === yoasif [n=yoasif@pool-71-167-103-186.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [07:29] AH [07:29] that lock thinge was being stoopi [07:29] d [07:29] lol [07:29] I fail at life [07:30] i wonder if the lock can be detected via software and it could warn you that it is set [07:30] maybe [07:30] yea in the dmesg it says: [07:30] sdd: Write Protect is off [07:30] and sdd: Write Protect is on [07:30] thats how I figured it out [07:31] i wonder if hal exports that information === ccooke [n=ccooke@spc1-walt5-0-0-cust406.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === awbassett [n=andrew@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu+1 === HorizonXP [n=HorizonX@libnaa219.uwaterloo.ca] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.4.205] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === sanityx [n=sanityx@pool-71-249-127-166.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:39] I can't seem to get fiesty booted. It just goes to a black screen. cd-read light goes off eventually too === Javva [n=atul@203.199.117.81] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:41] <^^kalm> sanityx: so it doesnt boot AT ALL... nothing comes up [07:41] Ok [07:41] I boot off the cd [07:41] I get the menu [07:41] sanityx: do previous releaes or any other distros boot? [07:41] dystopianray, Yes, 6.10, 6.06 [07:41] sanityx: are there any error messages? [07:41] <^^kalm> sanityx: you may wanna try and reburn the iso [07:41] I have reburned the ISO 3 times now [07:41] i boot off the cd [07:42] <^^kalm> sanityx: ah [07:42] sanityx: have you verified the md5sum of the iso? [07:42] then i start the fesisty boot process with the first menu option. [07:42] no. but ive downloaded it twice as well. how likely is it a bad iso [07:42] palso [07:42] also [07:42] the iso boots just fine in vmware [07:42] sanityx: depends on your burner, md5sum the cd and iso [07:43] md5sum it even though it boots in vmware? [07:43] sanityx: does the physical cd boot in vmware? [07:43] yes. [07:43] well do it anyway [07:43] ... [07:43] But it boots. [07:44] <^^kalm> and on a separate subject... how do you check md5sums ? :D (i've never done it before) [07:44] ^^kalm: md5sum /some/file [07:44] sanityx: which cd you are you using to install? [07:45] the regular desktop i386 disc [07:45] sanityx: which one [07:45] the one they wanted people to test as a possible release candidate [07:45] ok === zPacKRat [n=bfastena@69.43.155.141] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:45] <^^kalm> beta? [07:45] no. [07:45] i recommend the alternate... i had issues with the i386 feisty beta ... but not with the alternate [07:46] im not going to just use the alternate though. if i install with that and then it doesnt boot . . . [07:46] no matter the download site , burn speed, .. [07:46] that's weird [07:46] <^^kalm> Im doing just fine with 7.04b (altough i do find it a tad slow) [07:46] also other people report 7.04 booting just fine on my laptop model. [07:46] ^^kalm: you haven't updated? [07:46] but my laptop works fine because everything else boots just fine including 6.06 and 6.10 [07:46] sanityx: do they have the same hardware though? === cypherdelic [n=cypherde@port-87-234-140-151.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:47] possilby not. [07:47] <^^kalm> dystopianray: im updating right now... half-way through :) [07:47] i cant either install 5.10, 6.06 and 7.04 [07:47] anyone know the final status with ralink (i.e. rt2500) cards and network manager? ...are they going to work together or will we have to remove nm? [07:48] <^^kalm> melaren: i my self use rt61, and as it seems it works just fine with 7.04b :) it was preinsalled and everything (surprise) [07:49] ^^kalm: nice! === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:49] grr at 7.04 [07:49] 5.10 and 6.06 are just freezing with something looking like a pixel error.. and 7.04 the screen just blacks out and dvd-drive stops working.. [07:49] <^^kalm> sanityx: :) [07:50] <^^kalm> Maithai: at what stage? [07:50] uhm 5.10 and 6.06 showing the status bar while booting the cd [07:50] and when it should go to desktop [07:50] it freezes [07:50] <^^kalm> Maithai: You use a laptop? [07:50] 7.04 just freezes right after i selected "install or boot from cd" [07:51] nope i'm on a desktop computer [07:51] <^^kalm> Maithai: ah [07:51] <^^kalm> Maithai: Sorry, i don't think i can help you much :) [07:51] :( [07:51] thanks anyways :) === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:51] <^^kalm> Maithai: XD [07:51] thats so weird... [07:52] i even tried the acpi stuff etc.. [07:52] Maithai: what hardware do you have? [07:52] amd64 4000+ [07:52] on a gigabyte k8nf 9 ultra [07:52] <^^kalm> Maithai: its just that.. if yo'd had a laptop, you could have removed all the "unusual" hardware like wifi cards, etc [07:52] Maithai: what hardware does that board have? [07:52] uhm... [07:53] you mean like pci-cards ? [07:53] I have a amd64 X2 3800 and it works great [07:53] besides it randomly freezing once in a while [07:53] Maithai: what ide and sata controllers does it have? [07:53] Maithai: is it an nforce board? [07:53] nforce 4 [07:53] the ultra one === someothernick [n=ron@pool-72-85-212-114.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:54] i checked md5sum already [07:54] cd seems to be ok [07:54] Maithai: what sata and ide controllers does it have? [07:54] I got the same problem on an old Compaq computer as well. Though I believe it was because I had < 256MB ram which is probably your problem maybe? If you're using onboard graphics its important to remember you probably have 192MB ram or less, and the standard install cd wont work. [07:54] i got 1024mb ram here and a pci-express radeon x800 pro [07:55] damn, guess that's out. === darx [n=darx@77-98-90-46.cable.ubr03.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:55] Maithai: have you tried booting the safe graphics mode? [07:55] yes [07:55] fails too [07:55] at the same step [07:55] Maithai: what ide and sata controllers does the board have? [07:55] did you do 64 bit version ? === KenSentMe [n=jeroen@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:55] yes i tried the 64bit [07:55] yea you gotta use that [07:55] it has some nforce 4 sata and ide controllers [07:56] Maithai: find out the specific models [07:56] anyone know if feisty is getting a new default theme? [07:56] mistone: you don't need to use the 64-bit version [07:56] oh [07:56] phrizek: whatever it has now is final [07:56] should anyway [07:56] mistone: why? it just makes life difficult unless you have a specific reason to use a 64-bit OS [07:57] my cpu doesn't scale properly details http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2472453#post2472453 is it possible to load a custom freq_table module and if yes which one and how :-/ [07:57] <^^kalm> mistone: especially on Linux [07:57] I thought it signafictanly improved the proframance [07:58] mistone: no [07:58] I haven't had any troubles [07:58] you would think it would... [07:58] mistone: it can potentially increase performance, but in most cases the difference is negligible [07:59] thats crazy wierd [07:59] mistone: why? [07:59] why do they have 64 bit then [07:59] cause they can make some money with it [07:59] <^^kalm> ... [07:59] mistone: becuase it has other benefits [07:59] same as x2 [07:59] mistone: such as being able to use >64GB of ram [07:59] mistone, Because there CAN be benifits. [07:59] Actually its >4gb ram [08:00] lol [08:00] 64 gigs of ram [08:00] it is 64GB, using PAE [08:00] thats only a few years away I guess [08:00] which all modern cpus support [08:00] yes but greater than 4. [08:00] hooray for windows ^^ [08:00] ?? [08:00] sanityx: modern 32-bit cpus can address up to 64GB of ram using PAE [08:00] that sucks heaps.. [08:00] <^^kalm> a bit random [08:00] ooo ok [08:00] i dont even want windows.. [08:00] Just windows cant. haha. [08:00] sanityx: windows can [08:01] but i cant get ubuntu installed on this machine.. [08:01] :x [08:01] Not according to microsoft. At least not in windows XP === RawSewage [n=RawSewag@209-180-234-31.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [08:01] sanityx: it can since windows 2k === kbidd [i=kkkkkkkk@c-75-75-9-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:01] <^^kalm> Maithai: if it indeed is an issue with Ubuntu as is... switch distro :) [08:01] oh yea another thing that is kinda annoying is I have this headphone jack in the front of my computer that is supposed to mute the regluar sound when something gets plugged into it [08:02] I get sound out the headphone jack it just doesn't mute the speakers [08:02] <^^kalm> Maithai: Ubuntu is great, but if it REALLY doesn't work, why bother? There are other great distros aswell [08:02] from the ubuntu website, it says that its being released tomorrow, but there are rumors on #ubuntu that the release has been delayed... can anyone confirm/deny these rumors? [08:02] i really like ubuntu.. i had it running on my old comp.. [08:02] I wouldn't use any other distro [08:02] well maybe tweaked out debian [08:02] and it ran so well.. oh yeah.. and i'm used to it now.. so i would screw debian or stuff maybe.. [08:03] http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/benefit.mspx [08:03] mistone, i like debian... running it on my other comp [08:03] mistone: the settings for mic and speaker are different and can be adjusted accordingly [08:03] on this page [08:03] http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/top10.mspx [08:03] it says 32 bit windows can only address 4gb [08:03] <^^kalm> debian isnt that great for a desktop user, is it? [08:03] oh wait. im retarded. [08:03] i dont think so [08:03] sanityx: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/pae_os.mspx === Patrick_ [n=patrick@84.13.82.148] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:04] However, PAE incurrs a performance penalty. [08:04] I was under the impression if you compile 64 bit stuff it would help proformence [08:04] mistone: it can, but usually has little difference [08:04] windows is completely useles in 64 bit [08:04] how many hours to release [08:05] mistone: most of 64-bit windows is 32-bit [08:05] yea === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5F391.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:05] x86-64 *does* improve performance (about 30% on average in A/V stuff, can be much better). [08:05] is the release still tomorrow, or did it get pushed back (rumors on #ubuntu say its released on the 28th now) [08:05] dude who cares [08:05] hey guys, just upgraded a fresh installation of edgy amd64 to feisty amd64 now I cant seem to see my wifi connection?? Im using a laptop [08:05] 28th? [08:05] However, since you're not using anywhere *near* the capacity of a modern processor in normal desktop usage, you won't see any real benefit normally. [08:06] wutt I play games [08:06] Would there be a benifit in compiling speed? [08:06] kbidd: any official information you can see in the topic [08:06] sanityx: Yes. [08:06] but those aren't compiled for 64 bit anyway [08:06] dystopianray, thanks, just wanted to make sure the topic wasn't just late in getting updated. [08:07] Is Feisty coming out tomorrow [08:07] RawSewage: we don't know, read the topic and you'll know as much as we do [08:07] ok [08:07] topic still says tomorrow, so i guess were good :P [08:07] it says the week of Apr 19 [08:07] hopefully tomorrow it will boot [08:07] as long as its not just a delay in updating the topic [08:08] can anyone help me get my wifi to work on my laptop [08:08] Patrick_, are there linux drivers for your wifi card? If not, you will need to use something like ndiswrapper [08:09] kbidd, how do I check to see what the wifi card is called [08:09] Patrick_, you can look for it in a lspci | less [08:09] network manager was messing with my connection [08:10] grr [08:10] i need to get a faster intarnets [08:10] <^^kalm> What? AS IF Ubuntu 7.04 is coming out tomorrow :P ... i mean i only downloaded the beta and installed it 2 days ago... [08:10] hehe interbutt [08:10] the RC was cancelled === basvg [i=basvg@stuwww.uvt.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:10] 3 megabits just doesn't cut it anymore [08:10] pft [08:10] mine is 300 kb/s [08:10] cancelling the RC implies an ontime release [08:10] still on wifi b :P [08:10] mistone, I get about 350 KB/s on 3 megabits [08:11] yea [08:11] I'm going to get cable once i move, or FiOS if its availible [08:11] I got cable [08:11] its just my wifi is retarded [08:11] You only have 2.5 megabits on cable? [08:11] my gf has cable and she gets like 15 megabits [08:11] hey all.. I upgraded edgy -> feisty yesterday (smooth install, everything seems to work). When I booted this morning an error flashed bye about /etc/resolv and libc ... but couldn't find anything in /var/log afterwards. Any clues? === RAOF gots himself some ADSL2+ love. [08:11] ive got FiOS at home in maryland... its REALLY nice [08:11] about 1 megabyte per second down [08:11] miss it here at school [08:11] kbidd, Whats your max downspeed? Like 3 megabytes per second? [08:11] <^^kalm> RawSewage: But i hope there wont be many "important" fixes, etc on the real 7.04, 7.04b is just so cozy === aldin [n=aldin@80.65.65.69] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:12] sanityx, on FiOS in maryland, yeah... i only have comcast here though, so nowhere near that :( [08:12] kbidd, I live in new york city, where its not so easy to lay fiber. [08:13] i have 1.5mbit adsl [08:13] Well, I guess if 7.04 doesn't boot tomorrow, I'll just switch from 6.10 to 6.06 and use that until 7.10 comes out. [08:13] That way I'll have suppor [08:13] support [08:13] <^^kalm> sanityx: 7.10 huh? === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:13] gusty gibbon [08:13] Anyone have a guess what time 7.04 will be available? [08:13] <^^kalm> sanityx: thats gonna take a while [08:13] whatever version number its gonna have [08:14] ^^kalm, not really, another 6 months. [08:14] Gutsy [08:14] Who cares exactly what time it will b out [08:14] sanityx: better yet, file a bug report so devs are aware of your problem [08:14] hehe /b/ [08:14] mistone: Well obviously I do considering I asked. :) [08:14] dystopianray, Its probably not a bug though. The intarnets say that other ppl with my laptop can boot 7.04 [08:14] sanityx: not booting sounds like a bug to me [08:14] Although they might have a sempron, or less ram, or something [08:15] Ok well if it doesn't boot tomorrow, I'll file a bug. [08:15] sanityx: are you using the latest daily livecd? the release probably won't have any changes [08:16] no, but im downloading the latest daily alternate right now [08:17] ok this random freezing is getting annoying [08:17] Oh [08:18] its beryl === LastMall [n=here@adsl-70-232-47-194.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:18] er [08:18] in dmesg I get : [ 2374.318272] rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz. [08:18] * 200 [08:18] <^^kalm> beryl, compiz, etc is just plain "eye-candy" and as such, worthless [08:18] WUT [08:18] beryl is awesome [08:19] <^^kalm> it just looks good... [08:19] its all on the graphics card so it takes up little resources === ^^kalm_ [n=kalm@220-245-220-108-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:20] ^^kalm: You obviously don't use "scale" a lot :P [08:21] <^^kalm_> no [08:21] does anyone here know a fix for http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272117&highlight=resolv+libc ? === CodeImp [n=dont@s55910c2b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:22] <^^kalm_> it went quiet === zPacKRat_ [n=bfastena@69.43.155.141] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:22] how do I disable suppense mode on my hardrive [08:22] apprently that causes the rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz. problem === Ilokaasu [n=matti@dsl-aur-ff27c000-33.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:23] <^^kalm_> ah, update requires system restart.... bye [08:23] mistone: beryl consumes graphics resources and not all graphics cards have much onboard ram [08:24] 32Mb of ram seems ample for some people. === slackern [n=slackern@81.94.93.112] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:25] so [08:25] mine has 128 + shared [08:25] its plenty [08:25] and when I want to play games I go to shitdows anyway === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:26] shitdows? [08:28] I have never heard of that operating system. [08:28] What is this thing you call "shitdows"? [08:28] And where can I procure it? === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:29] !ohmy [08:29] Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. === borg_ [n=olaf@80.149.17.21] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nizo [n=n_abuait@a101-165.adsl.paltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:30] hi all [08:31] i need some information about postfix e-mail === Furesta [n=furesta@host84-63.pool8290.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:31] can any one help === Frost^- [n=sweiss@CBL217-132-155-90.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dystopianray [n=dystopia@adsl117-124.dyn.koalatelecom.com.au] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Kopete] [08:32] hmm, found the problem. /etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc exits with returncode 1 [08:32] oh my .max-user-freq was set to 64 lol [08:32] that should fix that === sanity_x [n=sanityx@pool-71-249-127-166.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === darx [n=darx@77-98-90-46.cable.ubr03.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === dystopianray [n=dystopia@adsl117-124.dyn.koalatelecom.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === melaren [n=melaren@dialup-4.227.169.15.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === basvg [i=basvg@stuwww.uvt.nl] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [08:40] Is it just me that gets the feeling of that 7.04 is faster than 6.10? Can't put my finger on what it is but everything feels snappier, starts quicker etc [08:41] slackern: That'd be the new Gnome release, probably. Each Gnome release is faster, and uses less memory :) [08:41] RAOF: serious? [08:41] jml: Pretty much. That's been one of the big things with the last couple of Gnome releses - hunting down memory & performance bottlenecs. [08:41] slackern: opening programs should be faster to [08:42] jml: Also, Cairo is getting a lot of performance love. [08:42] it uses that gnu preloader thinge [08:42] RAOF, i remember that 5.10 or 5.04 felt quite fast when running Gnome but all of a sudden it started feeling sluggish [08:42] RAOF: I had no idea. That's awesome. [08:42] jml: Yeah :) [08:42] Is there an equivalent of Edgy's software-properties -e universe / multiverse in Feisty? ( it is very nice for making cut and paste instructions ) [08:42] RAOF, i mean after going from 5.04/5.10 to the 6.xx releases [08:43] also : " Feisty uses a new linking mechanism called DT_GNU_HASH which speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running prelink." [08:43] That must be it then i guess, KDE and XFCE always felt snappier i must confess but now i can't really say i see any difference any longer. === HorizonXP [n=HorizonX@rn-wcs1b22.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:44] I find KDE so ugly compared to gnome [08:44] I guess the ati drivers are working better now too [08:44] slackern: If you mean the open-source drivers, then *yes*. [08:44] sanityx: i find gnome to be incredibly ugly compared to kde === Jordan_U stabs AMDTi [08:45] KDE looks all jagged to me, not to mention I don't like the general Qt look [08:45] sanityx: gnome only has one colour scheme, brown [08:45] RAOF, im using the restricted packages now since i got a ATi X1950Pro card and the other ones didnt work so good, was a bit sluggish and human colour in movies and such turned to blue :) [08:45] I like brown, [08:45] I love the gnome-look but you can't beat the QT toolkit [08:45] dystopianray: You *are* joking, right? [08:46] RAOF: no i'm serious, even when you change the gnome colours it still has a brownness to it [08:46] hey [08:46] What i love about kde is that it has alot of applications and it feels like everything is knitted togheter better. [08:46] wut [08:46] how can i manually configure my xorg.conf to use two separate X screens? [08:46] because my Nvidia-settings doesn't seem to save the config file [08:46] RAOF: adn i'm talking about vanilla gnome, not ubuntu's brown theme [08:46] slackern: Really? I feel exactly the opposite. [08:47] dystopianray: You've tried some crazy themes, then. My Gnome doesn't have any brown, except for the Ubuntu background. [08:47] RAOF, Yes, like kopete and such everything just feels more integrated with the entire desktop or how i should put it [08:47] eww kopete [08:47] kopete is like the worst aim client ive ever seen [08:47] sanityx: aim is the worst im network i ever seen [08:47] sanity_x, hehe [08:47] its SO ugly [08:48] kopete supports msn and yahoo webcam as well as jingle voice chat over jabber === Maithai [i=Maithai@p5493D34F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:48] Thats great. Its still ugly. [08:48] Is there an equivalent of Edgy's software-properties -e universe / multiverse in Feisty? ( it is very nice for making cut and paste instructions ) [08:48] I like kopete's "iChat" like speech bubble theme. [08:48] not as ugly as gaim [08:48] Gaim looks great [08:48] I love gaim [08:48] gaim is the definition of ugly [08:48] sure it is. [08:48] rofl [08:48] running nvidia-settings in a console [08:49] shows that it can't determine valid sync ranges for my laptop's LCD [08:49] gaim is truly the definition of ugly... kopete is prittier... but still fails. [08:49] Sure it is. [08:49] is beryl build in in 7.04? [08:49] But im still new to this kde/gnome business, only way that i could use a linux machine before without going crazy was with windowmaker or fluxbox [08:50] DarkMageZ: I don't think there are any good multi-network im clients on linux, they're all largely crap [08:50] Just being able to browse to another networked machine makes me happy :) [08:50] i love gaim [08:50] besides what does windows have? [08:50] trillian? dont make me laugh [08:50] I usually use Miranda in windows [08:50] Now THAT is an ugly client. [08:50] And im speaking of miranda. [08:50] Its far uglier than either gaim or kopete [08:50] dystopianray, gaim is ok. kopete is ok. but they're still ugly [08:51] hehe i usually clean it out to the max with black background and green color for online red for offline and orange for dnd and such :) [08:51] looks like an old bbs system :) === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-22-110.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:52] kopete and gaim need better jabber support [08:53] http://www.adiumx.com/screenshots/ [08:55] yeah [08:55] adium is awesome [08:55] does anyone know how ubuntu plans to support hybrid drives? [08:55] Probably by waiting for the kernel to support them? === _filippo_ [n=pippo@host240-152-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:56] RAOF: yes but what then? [08:56] I don't know. What do you mean by "support"? [08:56] how will ubuntu use the flash component [08:57] Anyone know how to inset a carrage return in a regular expression? [08:57] dystopianray: No idea, but it'll probably be a kernel-level thing. What is the flash component meant to do, anyway? [08:58] RAOF: afaik it's just another place you can put data [08:58] RAOF: could be anything from hibernate images to frequently used packages [08:58] RAOF: and accessing it won't spin up the drive [08:58] Isn't flash substantially slower than HDD? [08:59] RAOF: I don't think so === Ninja [i=Jerry@c211-30-197-173.carlnfd3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ninja [i=Jerry@c211-30-197-173.carlnfd3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [08:59] Particularly write speeds? [08:59] RAOF: it's not supposed to be frequently written to [09:00] I'm still not entirely sure what you'd want to use it for, though. [09:01] Unless you had a *lot* of it, it's probably too small for a hibernate image. [09:01] RAOF: they'er planning on putting 1GB or more on the drives [09:01] Ok, so that's a lot :) [09:01] RAOF: it's supposed to be faster than the hdd itself, so bootup file could be on it and speed up the boot process [09:02] it's part of the upcoming ATA-8 specification === kalm [n=kalm@220-245-220-108-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:03] dystopianray: wow, it certainly seems faster after the update :) === kalm is now known as ^^kalm [09:03] kalm: you updated from the beta? === basvg [i=bas@van-gils.org] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:04] hmm, after upgrade to feisty my beryl doesn't seem to work anymore... it complains that it couldn't initialise dbus. Anyone seen this before? [09:04] <^^kalm> dystopianray: No, i mean the normal software update [09:05] basvg: are you using beryl from the official repos? [09:05] ^^kalm: dist-upgrade? [09:05] dystopianray: I think so... but good point, I'll purge it and reinstall, see if that fixes it [09:05] basvg: and i mean the official feisty repos, not the beryl-project repos [09:06] <^^kalm> dystopianray: yea i suppose so 0_0 === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:06] dystopianray: I don't have the beryl repos in the sources.list anymore so that cant be the problem ;) but thanks for the heads up === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === KennethP_ [n=kpo@80.62.133.30] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:07] dystopianray: Once the ATA-8 spec is finalised, and supported in the kernel, it seems that it'd be trivial to do whatever you wanted with the flash cache. [09:08] RAOF: yes, but i'm curious if ubuntu devs have any plans for it [09:08] Probably not, particularly since it's not available yet :) [09:08] There are fewer core Ubuntu devs than people think :) [09:09] You could propose a spec, and go to Spain to talk about it :) [09:09] i would only go to spain if somebody funded the trip [09:10] :) [09:10] ok, I installed it again... the error I just had is now gone.. but now I have no window decorations anymore ;) [09:11] it does mutter something about glx ... hmmm... time to look at xorg.conf === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu+1 === frying_fish [n=frying_f@insouciant.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:12] i tried that new xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, it is horrible though, crashes X when changing resolution === sanityx [n=sanityx@pool-71-249-127-166.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:13] basvg, Do you have any of the effects like wobbly windows, can you move windows at all? [09:14] Jordan_U: no, there's no titlebar to grab with the mouse [09:14] time to try feisty on another machine :) [09:15] basvg, What about alt+dragg? === alleyoop [n=alleyoop@d77-216-206-136.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:15] Jordan_U: that works.. [09:16] basvg, Wobbly? === KenSentMe_ [n=jeroen@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:16] I restarted beryl-manager in an xterm so I can see the output. It mutters "beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32" ... and yep, it's wobbly [09:16] basvg, Then it's probably not an xorg config problem === Maithai [i=Maithai@p5493D34F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:17] basvg, What happens when you reload the window decorator from beryl-manager? === tkn__ [i=blah@0x50a100cc.odnxx7.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:17] jeah, there's something on ubuntuforums about this... when I reload the decorator then nothing happens... thanks for the help so far, gonna fiddle a bit with xorg.conf === tkn__ [i=blah@0x50a100cc.odnxx7.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [09:18] basvg, Again, I doubt that it is an xorg.conf problem === dwa [n=duwial@hq.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:21] Jordan_U: well, turns it it *did* fix the problem. I had to add two lines to the Screen section of xorg.conf [09:21] basvg, OK, I guess I was wrong :) [09:22] so how big are the problems with the current 7.04 beta? [09:22] the new battery level indicator is great, it has more than 4 levels of granularity this time! [09:22] adultswim: the beta is not current, grab one of the daily images [09:23] dystopianray, where are they found? [09:23] adultswim: ubuntu or kubuntu? [09:23] ubuntu === Brush01uk [n=Brush01u@62-30-75-207.cable.ubr03.brom.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:24] adultswim: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [09:24] thanks [09:24] Jordan_U: I can't find the part in the emerald settings manager anymore when I can specify that nice burn-effect when I create/distroy windows... do you know where it is hidden ;) ? === JanDM [n=jan@proxy-6.kliksafe.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:24] oh n.m., it's n the bery-settings, not emerald [09:25] adultswim, And ideally there should be very few problems as it is being released tomorrow === atiredmachine [n=linux@ppp-71-136-32-179.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === concept10_ [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-165-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:27] adultswim: I just upgraded yesterday (about 12 hours ago)... things went pretty smoothly. I had 2 minor problems but you're not very likely to run into them === fools [n=lloyd@S0106002018d951b0.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:28] I must say that the system seems to be more responsive even... mightily impressed [09:28] back later => groceries, dishes, food, coffee... === Jordan_U [n=jordan@h-68-164-90-184.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === HorizonXP [n=HorizonX@rn-wcs1b22.uwaterloo.ca] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === ^^kalm [n=kalm@220-245-220-108-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:32] feisty is totally kicking ass.. good job guys [09:33] DVS01: eh, it's ok [09:33] i can actually use it as a gaming system on my laptop [09:33] for what games? [09:33] so far, doom3 and oblivion [09:33] oblivion in wine? [09:33] yes [09:33] new version of cedega/wine supports it [09:33] and it actually runs very nice === Edulix [n=edulix@89.Red-83-39-107.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:34] its beyond playable.. its very playable [09:34] which one, cedega or wine? [09:34] i was really surprised [09:34] hi [09:34] cedega [09:34] hi [09:34] so feisty is launched today? [09:34] i'll be impressed when it runs in wine [09:34] Edulix: look at the topic [09:34] well cedega is wine, no? [09:34] DVS01: no [09:34] it seems to use wine executable [09:34] i guess they patch it [09:35] It's a patched wine, yes. [09:35] DVS01: cedega is a commercial software which forked from wine years ago [09:35] dystopianray: ok [09:35] ahh.. i heard somewhere that it was just a launcher for wine [09:35] dystopianray: I was under the impression that there was a fair bit of collaboration cedega-wine wise? [09:35] cedega is more focused on making as much games work as possible [09:35] yeah [09:35] theyre doing a pretty good job =D [09:36] RAOF: there is to some degree i think, but nothing significant [09:36] i totally don't miss windows xp at all [09:36] But now that you mention it, I'm not sure where I got that impression from :) [09:36] which is what this laptop used to be runing [09:36] dystopianray: sound only works for me in 2.6.20-12-generic and previous. in 13 to 15 revisions, I have no sound. it's a snd_hda_intel [09:36] Edulix: hda-intel is pretty screwed on feisty [09:36] Edulix: File yourself a bug. *My* hda-intel works (almost) perfectly === Tigge [n=tigge@bacchus.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:37] Edulix: Particularly if it's a regression, that makes it somewhat easier to fix :) [09:37] oks ;) [09:37] haha [09:37] RAOF: not only is it a regressin but I know exactly in which version of the kernel itstoped to work [09:37] Alternatively, if he hasn't been exhausted by the masses trying to fix their hda-intel, crimsun might be able to help. [09:38] Edulix: do you know which patch caused the regression? [09:38] Edulix: Which makes it even easier, they just need to look at the one version difference. [09:38] dystopianray: nop === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:38] hehe well now I have to go to class, so I'll file it later [09:38] see you then! === lmierzej [n=lmierzej@dsr203.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:39] woohooo finally a ubuntu distro booted on this HP machine :) [09:40] congratulations ;) === Lynx- [n=andrey@85.234.187.157] has joined #ubuntu+1 === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-177-209.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu+1 === naught101 [n=naught10@60-242-222-210.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:42] been trying to boot a ubuntu disk on that machine since 5.04 and it just hardlocked when booting :) [09:42] nice === Endler [n=len@c-69-180-157-214.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:43] Oh man, I never noticed totem was removed from ubuntu-desktop. What have I been missing! === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:45] was totem removed? === slackern [n=slackern@81.94.93.112] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:45] I dunno, I may have still had it from edgy [09:46] But I was able to uninstall it :) [09:47] <[miles] > morning gentlemen === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu+1 === alleyoopster [n=dan@d77-216-206-136.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Endler [n=len@c-69-180-157-214.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mosi|work [n=mosimo@80.89.82.252] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ` [n=tang@60.191.45.226] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@vawad-xen1.err.no] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:55] hm, there's a spelling error in the join message here. === sonoftheclayr [n=luke@C-59-101-152-229.mel.connect.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:56] Mithrandir: its a known bug :) [09:56] we have a fair bunch of those.. [09:56] indeed [09:57] Mithrandir: how are the final images looking? [09:57] there is a spelling error when you install samba [09:58] mc44: I think they're good. We're still testing, though. [09:58] excellent === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:01] anyone have a problem with nvidia driver not recognizing the correct monitor resolutions? === Cheetah [n=Cheetah@62.217.48.91] has joined #ubuntu+1 === balster_neb [n=balster_@203-59-176-253.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:03] Admiral_Chicago: have you tried nvidia-settings [10:04] mc44: no, how would I do that [10:04] alt + f2 ; nvidia-settings? [10:04] Admiral_Chicago: run sudo nvidia-settings in a terminal [10:04] right [10:04] oh that. yes I did [10:04] sorry [10:05] and it didnt give you the right resolution? === BadRabbit320 [n=BadRabbi@adsl-065-007-212-224.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:06] no, it'll create an extended desktop [10:07] trying something...sec === visik7 [n=visi@unaffiliated/visik7] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:08] my sound card doesn't work in feisty while it works on edgy 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) [10:09] visik7: intel-hda is pretty screwed on feisty [10:09] Lucky crimsun, *another* hda-intel bug :) === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:10] exactly WHAT does 'uname -r' refer to or do? [10:10] dystopianray: any possible fix before release ? [10:10] visik7: no [10:10] What have they even changed/updated in intel-hda from edgy? [10:11] visik7: unless you fix it yourself [10:11] dystopianray: ?!??!?! [10:11] BadRabbit320: As the man page states "print the kernel release" [10:11] dystopianray: this is crazy [10:11] visik7: only release critical fixes will go in before final [10:11] visik7: we're going to fix it in an update. [10:11] visik7: i agree [10:12] ok, thanks; didn't know if it's something requiring input [10:13] is there a way to get/see a list of everything in the man pages? === davisc [n=davisc@skynet.skynet.ie] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:14] BadRabbit320: you want to see a list of every man page? [10:16] yes, that way I 'hope' I won't be asking ???'s that are probably basic to the rest of you === Toma- [n=toma@203-59-13-104.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:16] yep, a windows convertee...but I'm tryin' === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Real] [10:17] BadRabbit320: well you can use 'man -k' to search the man pages [10:20] thnx === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=toma@203-59-13-104.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [10:22] so how do I change my clock from 24hr format to 12? tried the settings, applied, ok'd, but still 24hr... [10:23] BadRabbit320: try logging out then back in [10:23] Feisty Kubuntu (online upgrade from 6.10 kubuntu) === heanol [n=henrik@karantan.org] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:24] BadRabbit320: yes, logout and login [10:25] tried reboot several times, each reboot chking to see if settings stayed [10:25] BadRabbit320: don't need to reboot, a logout will do === twentyafterfour [n=monkey@12.206.96.238] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:25] BadRabbit320: you change the time format in 'system settings -> country/region & language -> time & dates' apply then logout and login [10:26] ok, but now I hafta wait till time passes the 1200 hr... [10:27] ok, noted and will do that. [10:27] BadRabbit320: right click the clock 'show timezone -> configure timezones' select a timezone that would be past 12:00 then middle click the clock [10:27] tg for lying to ur puter... [10:28] pardon? [10:28] thank [10:28] it doesn't change your computer's timezone, kde's clock can display multiple timezones, middle clicking rotates between the display zones [10:29] Thank God for 'lying to your computer'; (always another way to do something). [10:30] what do you mean 'lying to your computer' ? === neonlinux [n=kvirc@203.122.97.223] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:31] if something isn't obvious, lie to it. in this case, tell it I'm in a different tz rather than wait for my tz to pass noon. [10:32] hey all, is the release still going to be the 19th? [10:32] BadRabbit320: it's lying, kde has the ability to show different timezones [10:32] BadRabbit320: i mean 'it's not lying' === p|erce [n=user@202.128.46.130] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:32] BadRabbit320: it is a feature, not a lie [10:32] neonlinux: probably === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-7314c3937ea63592] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:33] understood [10:33] if the release is running late just modify time zones to stay on schedule [10:34] ok.. and (sorry for being pedantic but...) is that going to be the 19th est? [10:34] neonlinux: it will be when its ready :) [10:34] lol.. want to know whether to stay up all night or sleep (i have to build a server the next day) [10:35] neonlinux: there is no definitive answer Im afrais [10:35] *afraid [10:35] that and ive (aside from an ati issue) been really impressed with the speed and functionality of the beta === richb [n=richb@82-38-189-122.cable.ubr03.shef.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:36] i skipped edgy, went from dapper to feisty.. its a shame i cant make an analogy between win98 and winxp cause feisty herd5 has been more stable than windows on my machine [10:38] neonlinux: I tend to push the release button sometime during the day in my timezone so a) I don't have to work more night shifts than I already do and b) the rest of the distro team and sysadmins don't have to either. [10:38] thanks for the help folks! === BadRabbit320 [n=BadRabbi@adsl-065-007-212-224.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] [10:40] (oh, and my timezone is CEST, so "daytime UTC" is close enough) [10:40] Mithrandir: lol cool.. i fully understand... just waiting on the edgy of my seat in anticipation... am i a geek or what lol === stefg [n=stefg@e179144024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:40] Mithrandir: I like to give vague answers in case it all goes horribly wrong :p [10:40] hey.. if it doesnt get released on time it can only get better right? [10:41] indeed === Steil [n=hedch@S010600e029837be0.ca.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:42] mc44: realistically, if something comes up within the next 24 hours that causes a real delay, we'll need another week or so because of all the testing needed. [10:42] just wondering, if the sky does not fall down, is the final going to be exactly like the daily image? [10:42] but otherwise agreed. :-) [10:42] when i enable desktop effects...i get no window borders....any ideas? (i tried switching between 24bit and 16bit display) [10:42] JanDM: yes. [10:42] or are there some files setting to 'release mode' or so [10:42] okay [10:42] Mithrandir: right, But that isnt going to happen :) === mc44 crosses fingers [10:42] mc44: shhh! Don't jinx it! === jhaig [n=joseph@195.11.98.194] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:43] JanDM: we have a setting in the cd build scripts which decide if it's branded "Daily Build", "Beta" or just "7.04", that switch was flipped last Friday or Saturday. [10:43] Mithrandir: hey, the kernel fun must have taken all the jinxing out :) [10:43] mc44: I'm not convinced of that. === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu+1 === llutz [n=lutz@p54800E7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:44] hi === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-5-248.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:46] Mithrandir: thanks, so if we are lucky I don't evn have to use rsync :) [10:46] JanDM: or rather, rsync will run very, very quickly. :-) === twentyafterfour_ [n=monkey@12.206.96.238] has joined #ubuntu+1 === p|erce [n=user@202.128.46.130] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Steil [n=hedch@S010600e029837be0.ca.shawcable.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [10:54] I'm just wondering how to get expose like effects with the desktop effects package with feisty [10:54] Mithrandir: wouldnt that mean that if i download the daily.. it would be the same as the release? [10:54] neonlinux: right [10:55] Steil: does clicking in the top right corner do it? [10:55] neonlinux: correct. === spikeb [i=spikeb@71-83-42-136.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:56] and theres no difference between that and what the release is? [10:56] assuming all goes well [10:56] mc44: nope [10:56] that kubuntu partitioner is rather dodgy [10:56] Steil: you have compiz running? [10:56] yep [10:56] Steil: apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager [10:56] Steil: then run gnome-compiz-preferences [10:57] neonlinux: what mc44 says. The difference between the last daily before a release and the release itself is that the actual release has been blessed by saying "this is the release" === VirhYl3 [n=rhy@ip68-111-203-36.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:57] ahh.. ok... so in the grand scheme of running will the daily update differently in regards to apt sources? === stefg [n=chatzill@85.179.144.24] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:57] mc44: thanks :) Is compiz a lot stabler now? [10:57] Hi. I'm trying to get mp3s out of sound juicer... any help? [10:58] Steil: it is reasonably stable, yes [10:58] neonlinux: no, it uses the same apt settings === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:58] neonlinux: no, there is no "stable" symlink. We change the status in a couple of files so update-manager and friends pick it up, but to a large extent it's stable when we stop putting in updates and start putting them in feisty-proposed, feisty-security and feisty-updates. [10:59] the info in the forums is wrong, because it doesn't find any of those apt-gets. [10:59] ok.. now im beginning to understand how all this works :) thanks [10:59] might just start downloading the daily [10:59] VirhYl3: which apt-gets? [11:00] gstreamer-plguin-ugly [11:00] and bad [11:00] VirhYl3: you want gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly [11:00] and -bad === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:00] VirhYl3: just double click on them and let easy codec installation do the hard work? [11:01] double click on what? [11:01] VirhYl3: when you can't find a package you can try this command: [11:01] apt-cache search partial-name [11:01] the mp3 files, so they open in totem [11:01] JanDM: he wants to make them, not play them [11:01] yeah. [11:01] :) [11:01] mc44: is that another codec? okay [11:01] It's really tragic that Juicer doesn't come with this enabled by default. I mean isn't LAME open source anyway? [11:01] JanDM: no, but he has nothinng to click on [11:02] VirhYl3: patent issues Im afraid === gerry_ [n=gerry@58.55.34.42] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:02] hello [11:02] hola [11:02] is it legal to download and use the restricted codecs packages? [11:02] wow, that really sucks. Because my car stereo won't play ogg. [11:02] anyone can help me to tweaking my pppoe problem? [11:02] dystopianray: depending on your location [11:02] neither will my cell phone. [11:03] mc44: what about in the US? [11:03] VirhYl3: right, but if you get those packages I said it should work with mp3s === awkorama [n=awk@gw.cnet.sk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:03] cool. [11:03] ppp0 is up, but i can't connect to inet, weird [11:03] i think i found them in synaptic. [11:03] ugly-multiverse [11:03] but after restart ppp0, it worked [11:03] gerry_: does the default gw and DNS point in the right direction ? [11:03] use isn't the problem with the restricted codecs, distribution is. [11:04] NixHost, i dont setup default gw [11:04] spikeb: I think use is a problem in some locations. but IANAL :s [11:04] me either actually :) [11:04] DNS is setup by pppoe itself [11:05] does the restricted codecs download manager make users aware of the possible legal issues? [11:05] You do not run anything that would overwrite those settings? [11:05] huh, well it shows up now, but how do I know I'm getting 128kb? [11:05] Nixhost: i'm using pppoe [11:05] ger [11:05] dystopianray: yes [11:06] i have configure pppoe starup at booting time [11:06] Is that the default? (also, in case somebody else asks later, I had to close and open Juicer). [11:06] gerry_: I used it before... the main problem for me was that everytime the DHCP sent out a new lease it would overwrite the gateway and dns settings [11:07] NixHost: i'm not using DHCP [11:07] ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.8 [11:07] OK, just going to give it a shot, then see what the bit rate is. [11:07] it's fast than DHCP === k`ubuntu [n=k__@catv-5062fafa.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:07] VirhYl3: I think its vbr by default [11:07] gerry_: okay, then I come up short.. [11:07] 128? or 192? [11:08] auto dsl-provider [11:08] iface dsl-provider inet ppp [11:08] pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf [11:08] provider dsl-provider [11:08] wheeee! an even faster desktop... === basvg burns his fingers and grabs water to cool off [11:09] NixHost : i can see ppp0 is up,but i can't connect to inet until i restart ppp [11:09] NixHost: every time, i have to "sudo poff -a" and "pon dsl-provider" [11:09] huh, well one song is 4.7 mb, so I guess that is good. [11:10] That's about what I want. [11:10] that's it [11:12] any ideas? === PecisDarbs [n=pecisk@mail.republika.lv] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:13] Is it a random hang or does it hang at the same interval? === busfahrer [n=busfahre@p57b55619.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:15] can't wait can't wait till tomorrow :D [11:15] at what point does this room become gutsy discussion only? [11:16] i think, tomorrow :D [11:16] dystopianray: it will be a bit [11:16] NixHost: [11:16] we might close it for a week or so [11:16] well, when gutsy comes out [11:16] oh, i don't like hanging out in #ubuntu [11:17] gnomefreak: probably not a terrible idea having it as feisty overflow for a bit [11:17] add -offtopic than ;) [11:17] mc44: we wont need it [11:17] s/wont/shouldnt [11:17] gnomefreak: well we can forward everyone to ubuntu and get the total even higher :) [11:17] I suspect if you enforced gutsy only discussions here, it would become very quiet for a few weeks. [11:18] we can talk about simians [11:18] \o/ apes! [11:20] hmm, are desktop effects stable enough to be used in production at home? or are there still annoying (not rare) crashes? [11:21] Cheetah: i havent heard of any crashes lately [11:21] Cheetah, I would say that it is reasonably stable, I have had no crashes so far in Feisty with the default compiz / "desktop effects" [11:21] Cheetah: if they were stable they'd be enabled by default === zcat[1] [n=zcat@60.234.196.167] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:21] dystopianray: it is [11:21] ahh okay. I remember back in alpha days of feisty, there were annoying crashes [11:22] well cant be enabled but installed by default it is [11:22] i still have the funny bug that i see the desktop twice when zooming in :) [11:22] dystopianray, I'm talking about "stable enough to be used at home", not "stable enough to let your mom use it" ;) [11:22] moms tend to break it all [11:23] I haven't seen compiz crash on my intel graphic [11:23] hmm okay ;) === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:23] sounds good enough me thinks === busfahrer [n=busfahre@p57b55619.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sonium [n=sonium@F9078.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mosi|work [n=mosimo@80.89.82.252] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:27] I've been really happy with compiz/beryl. [11:28] It crashes Urban Terror, but that's about it. === {uX}l`VampyrCeil [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:28] Oh no ;) === KenSentMe [n=jeroen@ip-145-93-234-35.fontys.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:28] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> well, my upgrade was almost painless :x [11:28] Yeah, you gotta switch to metacity for some hard core games. [11:28] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> file system check failed on reboot :o [11:29] what's the package called containing the xine jack backend on ubuntu? === {uX}l`VampyrCeil looks at the log mentioned in the error message === sittisal [n=sittisal@host195-124.pool8249.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:32] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> can someone tell me what went wrong here? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16224/ [11:33] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> SysInfo: Diskspace: 17.98G Free: 10.64G [11:33] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it's not finding my 80gig harddrive, /dev/hdb1 [11:33] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: did you do a kernel upgrade lately? [11:33] if so, do it again :) === DeepB [n=Joe@unaffiliated/deepb] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:33] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.20-15-generic [11:33] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> that's not recent? [11:33] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> erm, current [11:34] there was a broken 2.6.20-15 package for a short time [11:34] maybe you caught that one [11:34] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> bleh [11:34] tapas: how was it broken? [11:34] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i did the upgrade command in terminal starting about 3 hours ago [11:34] dystopianray: by not being able to i.e mount the root device ;) === {uX}l`VampyrCeil opens Upgrade Manager :x [11:34] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: then that wasn't it :) [11:35] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i knew i should have waited til the 20th lol [11:35] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> but i got impatient : [11:35] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> p === acuster [n=acuster@AToulouse-156-1-142-17.w90-30.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:36] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> update manager says i'm up to date :o is there a way to manually update the kernel? [11:36] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: in case it really is an ext2 fs, it might simply be broken though [11:36] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it's an ext3 [11:36] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: ??? [11:36] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: like i said, if you updated your kernel 3hs ago, then that wasn't it [11:36] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: you have the last one [11:36] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> well how do i update it this hour? [11:36] <_4strO> 2.6.20-15-generic [11:37] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: it looks like a HW problem not a kernel issue [11:37] there isnt a newer kernel [11:37] or a fs issue :) [11:37] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> the HW (if you mean hardware) was working before i upgraded to 7.04 [11:37] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: can you see the partitions when running fdisk /dev/hdb [11:37] tapas: thats what I meant of course :p [11:37] and then press p [11:37] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> isn't that a format command? :o [11:38] <_4strO> what is the pb ? [11:38] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it's not finding my 80gig hard drive (separate drive, not a partition) [11:38] <_4strO> you lose HD after upgrading ? === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:38] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: do you want to waste our time? [11:38] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> no -_- [11:39] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: sudo fdisk -l [11:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Unable to open /dev/hdb [11:39] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: you see it there ? === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> o_O i see /dev/sda stuff [11:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> and /dev/sdb is there, yeah [11:39] <_4strO> here it is ... [11:39] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: ah, your hdd is probably /dev/sd* now, due to the libata change [11:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes [11:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> that's it [11:40] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> so what, i gotta change... /etc/fstab was it? [11:40] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: it's just unmounted [11:40] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: right [11:40] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> cos it was /dev/hdb before upgrading, not /dev/sdb [11:40] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: cat /etc/fstab ? [11:40] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: you should use the UUID in fstab === mode/#ubuntu+1 [+o gnomefreak] by ChanServ [11:41] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> the what? [11:41] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: universally unique identifier [11:41] <_4strO> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: that's the reason why in fstab know they use UUID [11:41] <_4strO> not even /dev/sd* [11:41] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> oh you mean like that long number below # /dev/hda1 [11:41] and a UUID is neede as boot argument as well in menu.lst [11:41] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: uniquely identifies the parition regardless of what device it has [11:41] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> # /dev/hda1 [11:41] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> UUID=e78d262f-5a2e-4864-9c41-1d1c9c6d5d78 / [11:42] <_4strO> yes === basvg [i=bas@van-gils.org] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === {uX}l`VampyrCeil goes to look up a UUID === coz_ [n=coz_@pool-68-162-130-212.pitt.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:42] <_4strO> it refere the unik id of your HD [11:42] <[miles] > needs to do the same [11:42] sudo vol_id [11:42] use vol_id -u /dev/sdb1 to get the UUID for it. === dwa [n=duwial@hq.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:43] I have a package in auto update, xserver-xorg-video-ati, that insists on installing and I don't need it...is there a way to prevent this package from installing and showin gup again? [11:43] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> and just replace /dev/hdb1 with UUID="that number"? [11:43] coz_: why don't you want it? [11:43] dystopianray, I have nvidia and I don't need this insatlled on the system === ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:gnomefreak] : Welcome to #ubuntu+1 - the support channel for feisty | For dapper/edgy support, see #ubuntu | Final candidate needs testing - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000281.html | Release date is the week of April 19 | Kernel version 2.6.20-15.25 is currently being debugged for pata_amd problems. === mode/#ubuntu+1 [-o gnomefreak] by ChanServ === stefg loathes this uuid - stuff. can't we just use labels, if the devices are constantly swapping between s/hda... the whole backup policy is rendered useless by this [11:44] so is the jack backend for xine hidden in some package? [11:44] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> # /dev/sdb1 [11:44] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> UUID=c8dd23f5-8381-416b-b387-7cdfacf22af0 /media/zen ext3 default$ [11:44] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> that look right? [11:44] gnomefreak: do you mean -25.27 in the topic? [11:44] <_4strO> coz_: then remove the old version you have of this package [11:44] stefg: labels can easily crash for people dual-booting. [11:44] _4strO, I don't hava an old version [11:44] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> on the other side of the $ is just 1 1 [11:45] as far as I know [11:45] gnomefreak: i mean, -15.27 [11:45] _4strO, and if there is anold version it will also remove ubunti desktop as well [11:45] dystopianray: no i mean 2.6.20-15.25 is being worked on and test kernels for .26 are in topic in #ubuntu-kerne; [11:45] kernel [11:45] gnomefreak: but -15.27 is already out [11:45] .27 doesnt exist [11:45] gnomefreak: yes it does [11:45] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :o [11:45] it is? [11:45] Mithrandir: and waht happens if you just tar your root partition up, reformat and restore? Bump! Same shit as in windoze, different heap :-o [11:46] gnomefreak: its what im running :) [11:46] gnomefreak: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-source-2.6.20_2.6.20-15.27/changelog [11:46] hold on a sec [11:46] stefg: I wasn't saying it was without problems. [11:46] gnomefreak: it fixes the pata_amd issue [11:46] gnomefreak: sort of anyway [11:46] gnomefreak: thanks; topic on #u-k fixed. [11:46] i pulled that from -kernel === yellow_chicken [n=pringles@cpe-66-8-235-245.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:46] Mithrandir: ty === mode/#ubuntu+1 [+o gnomefreak] by ChanServ [11:46] gnomefreak: had me worried there dude === ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:gnomefreak] : Welcome to #ubuntu+1 - the support channel for feisty | For dapper/edgy support, see #ubuntu | Final candidate needs testing - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000281.html | Release date is the week of April 19. [11:47] \o/ === mode/#ubuntu+1 [-o gnomefreak] by ChanServ [11:48] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> oh, and just a question, but why does 7.04 have stuff on the desktop? :x [11:48] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i don't remember 6.10 having that stuff on install [11:48] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: what is it? [11:48] Mithrandir: we'd need some plausibility checking. If the UUID can't be found,it must be 'guessed' by the boot process. you can always edit your bootline to something like /dev/sda1, but entering a UUID is impossible [11:48] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> 80G Volume, Trash, Home, and File System [11:48] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: xfce? [11:48] oh yay, finally jack output in amarok again by way of manually compiling the damn alsa lib pcm jack plugin [11:48] stefg: apart from that use case, do you know of anything that breaks with UUIDs vs labels? If not, I suspect the right fix is to make backup/restore scripts cope. [11:49] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> yeah gnomefreak [11:49] 7.04 out yet? [11:49] yellow_chicken: no [11:49] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: thats what the xubuntu devels decided to do [11:49] yellow_chicken, 19th is release day === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:49] it says tomorrow which means 18th [11:49] yellow_chicken: no [11:49] Mithrandir: werent there hibernate problems with UUID you wouldnt get from labels? [11:49] Mithrandir: i once had problems with this UUID stuff, but i forgot what it was [11:49] stefg: I'm thinking grub2 should have a way to say "please use this as my root partition" and then pull the UUID off that partition. That's slightly pie-in-the-sky however. === calavera [n=cal@p178-031.ujaen.es] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:49] Mithrandir: i changed all my fstab back to labels ;) === Turgon [n=Turgon@unaffiliated/turgon] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:50] umode CE [11:50] (upsy sorry) [11:50] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> thanks all the people that helped me \o/ [11:50] mc44: you mean related to swap and the uuid being regenerated in some cases? Yes, but that's not really because how UUIDs work, but rather more of a bug. === lmierzej [n=lmierzej@dsr203.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [11:51] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> sorry if i seemed to "waste your time" earlier :x [11:51] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: nah i was just a bit how do you say "pointy"? [11:51] soz for that.. [11:51] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> no worries [11:51] tapas: sure, if you prefer labels, you're free to use that. [11:51] Mithrandir: so the installer already builds an fstab, and any live distro can autocreate an fstab. what about a dead simple solution, like placing a semaphore in the root of each partiton (root holds a .root 0 byte file, /home holds a .home... and so on) === dwa [n=duwial@hq.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:52] yeah one of the area where the ubuntu policy is interpreted right. make good choices, but don't limit the user's choices if hewishes to choose otherwise [11:52] [contrary to the jack dilemma ;)] [11:52] stefg: what about systems with more than 1 linux-installation? [11:52] llutz: good point... was just an idea [11:53] stefg: you know about the "last-mounted-where" part of ext2/3? I guess we could use that. [11:53] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> uhm... is there any way to get the stuff off my desktop? :x === XVampireX [n=serge@unaffiliated/xvampirex] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:54] Mithrandir: that would fix you to ext-fs [11:54] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: what stuff? [11:54] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Trash, etc [11:54] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: rm ~/Desktop/* -rf [don't!!!] [11:54] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Trash and the two hard drives and Home [11:54] llutz: are you sure other file systems doesn't have it too? And that it's hard to add it? [11:54] Mithrandir: don't know, sry [11:55] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: you can turn them off in gconf [11:55] Mithrandir: i don't have a solution, but i'm shifting around partitions on my system a lot... this UUID crap is more of a pita for me tha it frees me of the necessity to keep track of which is which [11:55] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> there's nothing in ~/Desktop btw <_< === {uX}l`VampyrCeil looks for gconf [11:55] stefg: yes, I can understand that, which is why I'm throwing ideas at you to see which ones stick. ;-) [11:55] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: gconf-editor === burnout is now known as Burn [11:55] stefg: labels are fine, you just need to be carefull not to mix them up [11:56] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> heh i don't have gconf-editor :x === {uX}l`VampyrCeil installs [11:56] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: no it will be installed. Are you on gnome? [11:56] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Xfce [11:56] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> xconf-editor, then? :x [11:56] ah, sorry, dont know then === {uX}l`VampyrCeil wonders if #xubuntu knows [11:56] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> thanks tho o/ [11:57] You people stop marketing Feisty as just something with more support for hardware [11:57] don't forget the performance increase [11:58] XVampireX: what performance increase? [11:58] XVampireX: you probably want #ubuntu-marketing [11:58] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> btw, i like how i can upgrade my OS and it still has all my settings and stuff ^^ [11:58] dystopianray: You're silly [11:58] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Xubuntu 6.10 was the first linux i used; i expected my files to stay, but the theme and desktop image staying is a nice surprise === Tm_Feisty [n=travolta@a88-112-180-30.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:59] hi kids [11:59] dystopianray: Things just work faster here... [11:59] Tm_Feisty: mooh === os2mac [n=jim@ip68-230-203-5.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:00] XVampireX: which things? are you just thinking it's faster or you have performed and objective analysis? [12:00] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: Linux is evolutionary, it never stays in the same spot, it always moves, it's a moving target. Microsoft Windows is nothing :P [12:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> lol mrawr XD [12:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i like how linux evolved from Red Hat's little boy to Novell's adult woman [12:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> those commercials are cool :p [12:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> IBM's little boy* [12:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> dno why i said RH :x [12:01] IBM? [12:02] oh the commercials [12:02] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> yeah, IBM had that child prodigy [12:02] dystopianray: If I say that it is faster, and others say it is faster, then it is faster... and trust me, I'm not the only one who says that it is faster [12:02] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Novell's commercials has the woman Linux talkin' the "Mac" and "PC" [12:03] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> wow [12:03] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> SysInfo: Mem: 366/503M [||||||||||] [12:03] XVampireX: no that doesn't mean it's faster, it's likely you're just imaging it or subconciously adopting this opinion to better convince yourself of ubuntu's greatness [12:03] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> Conky says it's 137 o_O [12:03] imagining [12:03] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> in any case, stuff seems faster already [12:04] 'seems faster' doesn't cut it, you need objective evidence [12:04] certain things are "faster". eg, X11 on nvidia with proper xdamage/backingstore support [12:04] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> but then, i don't have my two irssi's up and tabs in firefox and all that yet === coz_ [n=coz_@pool-68-162-130-212.pitt.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] [12:05] Yup, but my impression as well is that feisty is blazingly fast... i spent a lot of time in tuning my dapper, feisty i eems as fast out of the box.... (should it work someday with my DVD-writer :-) ) [12:06] dystopianray: You are a person who starts with the letter I and ends with the letter t, 5 letters [12:06] XVampireX: no need to be rude. [12:07] !coc | XVampireX [12:07] XVampireX: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ === stefg doesn't care for numbers on his desktop. If it /feels/ fast , for whatever reason, it's better [12:08] I don't know what word she is referring to [12:08] <_4strO> lol [12:08] does k3b have some function to print the list of files on a data cd/dvd? [12:08] <_4strO> i dont too [12:08] or what would be the easiest way to do this? === LastMall [n=here@adsl-70-232-38-206.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:08] <[miles] > are the iso's pretty much frozen now for release? [12:08] tapas: print with a printer you mean? [12:08] dystopianray: yes [12:08] [miles] : prett much [12:09] dystopianray: i supose getting the list of files in textual form is enough. printing i can then do with lpr ;) [12:09] <[miles] > mc44: mmm so if I grab the iso now... unlikely it's gonna change? [12:09] tapas: 'ls' can get you a file listing [12:09] [miles] : correct === XVampireX [n=serge@89.0.135.121.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:09] [miles] : it shouldnt change at all === noneee [n=ZzZzZz@151.83.5.110] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:09] [miles] : assuming the sky doesn't fall down, the current dailies are what will be the release. [12:09] <[miles] > LOL [12:09] dystopianray: yes, but not of a k3b project [12:10] dystopianray: only of the finished cd/dvd [12:10] <[miles] > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ [12:10] tapas: you might be able to use dcop to query the project file list [12:10] dystopianray: btw: haha ;) [12:10] <[miles] > those ones yeah [12:10] dystopianray: ok. i'll check [12:11] Mithrandir: its a bit early i know. is there a round about time frame when toolchain will be finished? [12:11] Mithrandir: please don't let this be true. I'm suffering from a frustrating regression. kernel 2.6.20-15.25 worked 15.27 does not. Can you iagine how frustrating it is, when the last update before release hoses your ability to go with the stock-kernel? I don't want to care for sources, nvidia, vmware myself.... [12:12] damn dcop commandline completion is broken === hans [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:12] tapas: try kdcop [12:12] dystopianray: thx [12:13] stefg: which bug # is this? === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:13] gnomefreak: "soon"; I haven't been following it closely. [12:13] Mithrandir: ty [12:13] Mithrandir: gimme s sec... machine slow due to feisty installing in vmware ATM [12:13] dystopianray: hah, great. it works :) [12:13] tapas: you can the file list? === fulat2k [n=fulat2k@60.53.90.113] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:14] dystopianray: yes [12:14] K3bProject-0.children("/") [12:14] Mithrandir: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/98670 [12:14] Malone bug 98670 in Ubuntu "DVD-Drive locks at startup when using usplash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:15] hmm, using kdcop it's easy.. i wonder how this translates to teh dcop commandline call.. [12:15] stefg: interesting; I wonder why usplash should have anything to do with it. [12:16] ah got it [12:16] mee stoopid [12:16] dcop k3b K3bProject-0 children / [12:16] :) [12:16] stefg: does it boot without usplash? [12:16] stefg: but the machine works apart from the ten second bootup delay? [12:16] dystopianray: oh well, it's not recursive ;) but that's easy to do i suppose [12:16] Mithrandir: my guess is that it's a timing issue... something with mdadm. the problem lies within initrd, afaik [12:18] Mithrandir: no... i got to keep hammering on the eject button of the DVD during boot... if not, the DVD locks with the error loop. Or if i ommit quiet splash and boot and don't use uspalsh === Tm_Feisty [n=travolta@a88-112-180-30.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [12:18] stefg: ok, so a simple workaround is to just not enable usplash? === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-30-104.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:20] Mithrandir: seems so... but i'm just about to test the RC... install in vmware just finished, but i'll do a real install next.... and i *want* usplash, i see stupid logs all day, so no need to look at them while booting :-) === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:21] wow, my compiz runs better than my mewtacity.. [12:21] And i had it working.... i just won't accept that it's taken away from me again :-) [12:21] stefg: the RC uses -15.27 so you problem will likely remain [12:21] Let's see waht the real install gives me === mellow_bunny [n=chatzill@60.234.252.241] has joined #ubuntu+1 === JosefK [n=brett@82-42-147-9.cable.ubr01.sprt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:23] 2.6.20-15-386 is a non-smp kernel? [12:23] llutz: yes. [12:23] how to use nvidia-glx-new with 15-generic? [12:23] BTW is there any changelog to look at, to figure out the difference between the 25 and 27 build? === capiira [n=capiira@dslb-084-056-036-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === osio [n=chatzill@e177227138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:24] stefg: yes [12:24] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-source-2.6.20_2.6.20-15.27/changelog [12:24] thx [12:24] has some installed the feisty server version? [12:24] hello first === BadSneakers [n=here@adsl-70-232-33-78.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:26] aha, i think Revert back to amd74xx and disable the troublesome pata_amd is what makes the difference === Sebastian [n=sb@p5088684B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:26] Is there a description of gnome-volume-manager? [12:26] seems i need pata_amd [12:31] feels like freezing the distribution did not touch the kernel this time, fortunately the latest kernels ~broke only frequency scaling for me [12:32] thanx guys === osio [n=chatzill@e177227138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [12:33] dystopianray: Maybe because you use gnome it's not faster for you, but I tried gnome on ubuntu too and it worked pretty fast, faster than on Edgy. I am using Kubuntu Feisty Fawn right now, and just like many others, I'm not the only one with an increased performance "feeling" [12:33] XVampireX: I don't use gnome [12:33] XVampireX: I am also using kubuntu [12:33] Even one of the people ASKED me, before I could tell him, that feisty is faster... [12:34] XVampireX: speaking about performance without actually measuring it is pointless. [12:34] "Didn't you notice the performance increase" or something like that [12:34] I suspect it's a case of it feeling faster becuase you want it to be faster [12:34] Mithrandir: As pointless as living for you [12:34] What the f? [12:34] Even beryl in many different effects worked sluggish for me [12:35] now I'm using it... and everything is working fine. === Assim [i=Burp@d58-104-103-185.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:35] You're denying the truth or something === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:35] XVampireX: stop insulting people [12:35] He's insulting me [12:36] Saying that I don't know what I'm talking about [12:36] and that others don't know what they are talking about [12:36] XVampireX: just stop please and i didnt see him insullt you. [12:36] The person who mentioned it first is also a game programmer [12:36] So you're denying someone who KNOWS, that it's faster. [12:37] XVampireX: no, we are saying you should stop making personal attacks === meng [n=seatux@218.208.242.101] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:37] Now you're denying that he's attacking me, cool fellas you are [12:37] is there a way to keep resolv.conf settings permenant? [12:38] XVampireX: I am not attacking you, i'm merely saying that I suspect much of the 'it's faster' feelings are more psychological than factual [12:38] meng: chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf [12:38] XVampireX: I'm telling you to measure, I'm not saying you're wrong or right. [12:38] I don't want to measure because I know... [12:39] XVampireX: good. Now this is a support channel, so please stop the discussion [12:39] good than it ends here. === XVampireX sighs [12:40] is the login on stgraber.org related to my launchpad account or do i need to register first ? [12:40] 5 seconds before I crashed Rhythmbox today. To easy. [12:40] stefg: you need to register. [12:40] what is stgraber.org? [12:41] dystopianray: https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ ; current home of our ISO tests [12:41] oh that's right === llutz [n=lutz@p54800E7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dogmatism [n=dogmatis@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _raphael_ [n=Khamael@243.80-202-80.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zancat [n=RULER@pool-71-100-16-163.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:46] Hmm. but i think there's no point in stating that the vmware install of desktop-i386 with auto-partitioning just went perfect.... let's see waht it does on the real machine === tatters [n=test@ACD457B4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:48] so will feisty be ready for tomorrow ? [12:48] Assim: looks like it. === danirus [n=danirus@p5B0D6163.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:49] Mithrandir, woo :) [12:49] but it's not released before it's released. [12:49] arg was waiting for that one... [12:49] my syslog is continually reporting [ 5957.012819] keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240, [12:49] hehe [12:49] PriceChild: we really need a factoid for all the poeple who will ask that today :) [12:49] PriceChild: I'm not going to jinx it by saying "yes, it will be released tomorrow" and then have it blow up in my face. [12:49] guess th upgrade server is gonna get hammered tomorrow [12:49] out yet is GO AWAY!!! [12:50] exactly :) [12:50] Mithrandir, hehe :) [12:50] Assim, If you're going to be upgrading... I suggest doing it today ;) [12:50] Assim, of course if it breaks its not my fault!!! [12:50] tomorrow is also a relative term seeing as tomorrow is different for people [12:50] is there a 'cheatcode' for the installer to tell him to use an .iso on hd. Would like to speed up installation by not burning on CD and installing from there [12:50] !install [12:50] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate === larry_ [n=larry@86.41.138.120] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:50] tomorrow is only 1:10mins away [12:50] I think there's a way to install from hard drive in that first link === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:51] will edgy see it automaticaly or is there somthing i need to type in ? === davidw [n=davidw@apache/committer/davidw] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:51] mellow_bunny: not for me and I'm the release manager. [12:51] aww [12:51] let's see [12:51] Assim: it will be automatic === mc44 trasports Mithrandir to the international date line [12:51] Assim, edgy should see it fine... but dapper will stay as it is afaik (because of lts) [12:51] *transports [12:51] damn... this stupid rt61 card is being a PITA with my FON thing:-( === PriceChild huggles his set of rt2400s [12:51] stefg: up up left right, seriously, I think you should be able to mount the .iso and use it as a repository [12:52] jrib: you mean press 'cursor up' twice then left right? [12:53] lovely instructions XD === stefg boots the lappy, cos this box is going to install feisty now [12:53] i need abigger harddrive.. or another laptop for ubuntu [12:53] I have kubuntu edgy installed over the top of ubuntu edgy will the upgrade install everything i need to keep both ? [12:53] Will feisty be able to install grub to a sata drive (windows) if i'm installing it to an ide? [12:53] it saddens me that i still cling to windows for adobe [12:54] stefg: yes, but the number of seconds since unix epoch must be 0 modulo 77 so you have to do it at the right time [12:54] jrib: are you seriuos? [12:54] Assim: yes as long as you have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop you should be ok === esstone [n=esstone@c-24-19-6-182.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:55] yeah i just installed kubuntu vis synaptic :-) [12:55] is ruby inlcuded in the ubuntu repositories at all? === dystopianray [n=dystopia@adsl117-124.dyn.koalatelecom.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:55] *ruby on rails [12:55] stefg: are you seriously asking me if I am serious? :P [12:55] bad op jrib! :) [12:55] jrib... i wasn === mc44 takes away jrib's happy pills [12:55] 't sure [12:56] stefg: oh, sorry. I was serious about the mounting thing, but not serious about the cheat code === danirus [n=danirus@p5B0D6163.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] [12:56] oh linux cheat codes,i have plenty [12:56] iddqd :) [12:56] ctrl+alt+backspace [12:57] oh dear === stefg [n=chatzill@e179144024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:00] the best thing about feisty is the new laptop battery icon === BluesKaj [n=kaj@bas1-sudbury98-1128712884.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:01] <_4strO> lol dystopianray [01:01] <_4strO> the networkmanager icon too :) [01:01] _4strO: seriously, the old one only showed 4 levels, it was useless, i couldn't tell if I had 70% or 50% battery level [01:02] nahh. the best thing in feisty is that there's a decent collection of non-pooh themes included now :-) [01:03] umm... will e17 look better in feisty release? lol [01:03] The best thing about Feisty is that it marks the beginning of Gutsy [01:03] for gutsy they should replace the human theme with one called 'simian' [01:05] just to avoid that people nickname the gutsy gibbon theme 'apesh*t' ? [01:05] <_4strO> dystopianray: never be focus on this pb, i always be on the sector :p [01:06] <_4strO> and then my battery icon is always full [01:06] what are the names going to be once zippy zebra is reached === AnRkey [n=AnRkey@host-83-146-42-229.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:06] hi all [01:06] neonlinux: they're not in alphabetical order [01:06] Well even my wife is testing now and she is please as punch [01:06] neonlinux: 1 1, 22 etc :) [01:06] dystopianray: they pretty much are now [01:07] mc44: lol [01:07] <_4strO> dapper, edgy, feisty [01:07] mc44: is thre going to be another 'h' name? [01:07] dystopianray: i thought they had adapted an alpabetical theme [01:07] neonlinux: then it continus with UTF-8 letters... or umlauts... ngsty ardvark [01:07] lol [01:07] dystopianray: probably not, but after that! :) === Bubble [i=Bubble@unaffiliated/bubble] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:07] stefg: bring on ngsty [01:08] may as well call it the emo release [01:08] whoa mc44 everyone's asking you now :) === Kubuntulator [n=burp@d58-104-103-185.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:08] neonlinux: one we reach zenful zebra, we have archived nirvana and there will be no further need for development. :-P [01:08] PriceChild: if only I had control of naming policy. Now to find $500 million [01:09] :) [01:09] Mithrandir: archived it? [01:09] achieved, even [01:09] so.. u mean e17 will be released by then too :) [01:09] Mithrandir: also it will be in about a decade :) [01:09] that's what I get for working too much with the archive. :-) [01:09] and Linux will rule the world [01:09] or something [01:09] mc44: ubuntu will just add new letters to the alphabet at that point [01:09] or microsoft will be assimilated [01:10] microsoft will own linux [01:10] :P [01:10] *gasp* [01:10] the real goal of Canonical, its 12.04 "Microsoft Windows", end of the world [01:10] dystopianray: its the microsoft way right... to by anything better than itself? [01:10] that would involve going back in time [01:10] neonlinux: pretty much [01:10] when they go to 'buy out' linux they're just going to go trash linus' office [01:11] lol.. simpsons memory [01:11] ok as what i gotta type to upgrade early ? === luis_lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-73-152.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:11] so i guess the next question would be.. whos microsofts next sco puppet [01:12] neonlinux: novell [01:12] eww ! [01:12] !upgrade > Assimilator [01:12] <_4strO> ^^ [01:12] novell is already saying that windows is better than linux [01:12] heh bot it broken [01:13] !upgrade [01:13] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [01:13] !test [01:13] Failed. [01:13] Assimilator: broken? [01:13] !upgrade > Kubuntulator [01:13] !upgrade | Assimilator [01:13] Assimilator: please see above [01:13] XD [01:13] heh === versix_ [n=versix@203-214-64-158.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:14] !upgrade [01:14] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes === luis_lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-73-152.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:14] hypothetically... if ms code did somehow get into linux (kernel).. and had ben in there for a while.. and ms decided to start pulling legal.. what would we do as a linux comunity? [01:14] thats better [01:14] neonlinux, we would say no? [01:14] neonlinux: remove the code? [01:14] burn ms === luis_lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-73-152.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:14] we would rebel? [01:14] if it was put in there without their consent. [01:14] mc44, could you message a factoid to me to check. === barmymatt [n=chatzill@202.30.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:14] Hehe that's probably a better idea... [01:14] !ohmy > PriceChild [01:14] hmm works :s === PriceChild stops listenning to Assimilator === mellow_bunny ingests Assimilator through his SSH tunnel === Pici [n=pcmacman@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:16] is there a difference between last night iso build and tomorrow's official iso release? [01:16] bobesponja: hopefully not [01:16] ok... was just a thought.. after reading through the sco stuff it kinda makes me think what would actually happen if someone like sco came along and had a legit claim === effie_jayx [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:17] mc44: are they still changing some stuff or will it be just the same? [01:17] bobesponja: it should be the same, assuming nothing goes wrong [01:17] How to copy an audio CD to another audio CD using Feisty and Gnome? [01:17] You'll be able to tell if Mithrandir starts swearing [01:18] ok :) [01:18] mc44: why? is he a developper or did he install last night build? === mellow_bunny sets a camera pointing at Mithrandir waiting for the "moment" [01:18] bobesponja: he is the release manager, or possibly a robot. who knows [01:19] i like to think of him as a robot === VirhYl3 [n=rhy@ip68-111-203-36.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:19] possibly evil, most likely obsessed with his pants [01:19] pants off! [01:19] feisty has cdrkit? [01:19] ok, so i'm looking at the CD bootscreen now. what was the cheatcode to tell the installer to use 'ubuntu-desktop-i386.iso' on hdc7 ? [01:19] dystopianray: wodim i think === misfit_toy [n=guy@cpe-72-179-7-251.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Patrick_ [n=patrick@host81-137-28-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:21] jrib ? [01:22] i wish ubuntu had more OO.org dictionaries by default [01:23] hey guys trying to get sound to work on my laptop any ideas [01:24] Patrick_: is it intel-hda audio? [01:24] any boot parameter to add like 'fromhd=/dev/hda7' ,knoppix-like. Don't want to wait hours [01:24] <[miles] > http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down&page=0 <--- :-O most people want KDE to look like OSX or Windows XP eh LMFAO [01:24] dystopianray, I dont think so, but how would I find out === EdsipeR [n=edsiper@175-232-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-b1c61dcf58caf6cf] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:24] heheh, hope they choose osx === kjetilk_ [n=kjetilk@pat-tdc.opera.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:24] Patrick_: if you run 'alsamixer' it should tell you what soundcard you have === tatters [n=test@ACD457B4.ipt.aol.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:25] they not only want it to look like, most also want it to behave like XP :( [01:25] It seems my laptop needs an acerhk kernel module [01:25] it seems to be in the latest kernel [01:25] hey ubuntu has hyphenation dictionaries again! [01:26] but modprobing it says "cannot allocate memory" [01:26] !install [01:26] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate [01:27] !seen jrib [01:27] Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jrib - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:28] stupid bot! [01:28] There seems to be a problem with compiling the module with recent kernels: http://my.opera.com/csant/blog/2006/12/23/acerhk-on-recent-kernels === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === barmymatt [n=chatzill@202.30.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:28] has the module in Ubuntu been patched for this problem? === laichzeit [n=immortal@dsl-242-194-12.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu+1 === freshmouse [n=martin@121.125.108.194.contactel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Eruantalon [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shawn34 [n=shawn@c-68-36-36-22.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:30] kjetilk_: that's just for compiling the userspace bits; acerhk as such is in the regular kernel images. [01:30] Mithrandir: mmm, ok [01:31] stefg: what's up? [01:31] dystopianray, the card part in alsamixer says HDA ATI SB and the chip part says Conexant ID 2bfa [01:31] Mithrandir: so, any idea what's causing the cannot allocate memory message? [01:31] Hello. I don't want to wait to 19th April, but I'd like to download Ubuntu FF CD now. I've a question: is the CD in the final stage? I'm affraid of changes on the CD (I will have to download again). [01:31] Patrick_: ok that looks like intel-hda, intel-hda is pretty screwed in feisty [01:32] not able to do net upgrades freshmouse ? [01:32] freshmouse: you won't have to download again if it changes, just use rsync to get a diff [01:32] (I do the upgrade by apt-get, but I also download the CD.) [01:32] !upgrade [01:32] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [01:32] dystopianray, will there be a fix available for tomorrow do you think [01:32] jrib: so i booted the desktop CD... is there a way to either boot already from an iso, or at least push the .iso-image to installer, so that it won't use the physical drive? [01:32] Patrick_: no === Folkert [n=folkert@cc1050612-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:32] dystopianray, never [01:33] On my PC, I do the upgrade over PC, but I need the CD for anyone. [01:33] stefg: hmm so you are doing a fresh install instead of an upgrade? [01:33] Patrick_: but there are intel-hda related fixes coming in a feisty update at some point === mrvanes [n=martin@h8441220121.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:33] * over apt-get, sorry [01:33] On my PC, I do the upgrade over _apt-get_ [01:34] <_4strO> freshmouse: ? [01:34] dystopianray, I wont have to wait long I hope, strangely my wifi card started working today so who knows [01:34] jrib: yup, that's my point. i have a half broken feisty install on my playground. this will be overwritten with a fresh install now [01:34] freshmouse: you shouldnt use apt-get to upgrade to a new release [01:34] kjetilk_: no, not really, I don't have an acer. [01:34] hmm i cant see an upgrade option in Update manager ? === gord [n=gord@5ac328c3.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mrvanes [n=martin@h8441220121.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Kopete] [01:34] mc44: Why not? I can use it. [01:34] freshmouse: using update-manager is safer [01:34] all i want to know if it's possible to make casper use an .iso instead of a physical drive [01:34] _4strO: typing error [01:35] Mithrandir: ok, this is a Compal, BTW (I was unlucky enough to buy from whitebox as they went belly-up) [01:35] kjetilk_: ugh; never liked that company.. [01:35] stefg: ah that seems more difficult. What desktop cd is this? [01:35] stefg: no, but if you put /casper on a vfat partition, that'll work. [01:36] mc44: OK, it is not important. [01:36] Mithrandir: yeah, but they were one of the few that would sell without windows... [01:36] <_4strO> freshmouse: well , what is the pb ? [01:37] ok... lets forget that for a moment... but any knoppix flavour can do that for ages: just pass 'fromhd=dev/hdc7' and it will look in the rootdir for the.iso and use that. I'll make that a feature request [01:37] _4strO: There is no problem. :-) I just want to know if the CD could be changed before final release (4/19). [01:37] kjetilk_: best I can offer is asking you to file a bug about it. [01:37] freshmouse: yes it could be. [01:37] freshmouse: but probably wont be === Folkert [n=folkert@cc1050612-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:38] mc44: OK, thanks. === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:39] I cant see an upgrade option in Update manager ? how do I fix that ? [01:39] Kubuntulator: sudo update-manager -d [01:39] Kubuntulator: however if you are on kubuntu it is different [01:40] <_4strO> ha ok freshmouse:p [01:40] Mithrandir: ok! [01:40] ok will it help if i switch over to gnome [01:40] _4strO: ? [01:40] Kubuntulator: probably not. read the instructions at [01:40] !upgrade [01:40] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [01:40] freshmouse, where did you download your .iso for the cd from? [01:40] <[miles] > guys, whats the deal with things like FlashPlayer on 64bit now? [01:41] yeah not very forth comming [01:41] <[miles] > I tried a couple of months ago, but reverted to i386 [01:41] laichzeit: ubuntu.com, of course [01:41] <[miles] > I got too frustrated with desktop issues with 64bit... things improved? [01:42] flash player still wont work natively, no [01:42] freshmouse, only shows 6.10 for download [01:42] <[miles] > mmm ok thats a shame [01:42] [miles] : blame adobe :) [01:42] laichzeit: The 7.04 will be released tommorow. [01:42] <[miles] > I do, don't worry [01:43] freshmouse, damn, was hoping there would be a daily .iso built.. [01:43] <[miles] > and Skype, and real networks, and all the others [01:43] laichzeit: Mmnt. [01:43] laichzeit: see cdimage.ubuntu.com === png [n=png@unaffiliated/png] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xeternal [n=x@218.80.79.25] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:44] laichzeit: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd5 [01:44] <[miles] > I've just downloaded the fesity rc... I hope it does not change now :-| === gradin [n=gradin@c-71-231-122-221.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agrajag` [i=Agrajag@c-67-186-9-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === xeternal [n=x@218.80.79.25] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:45] laichzeit: or better http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/ [01:45] oh... this migration tool i s so ridiculous... could it be that i want migrate a /linux/-homedir from another install, not friggin' IE-favorites... ts,ts [01:45] Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) [01:46] what does that mean ? [01:46] Kubuntulator: bzip2 failed === XVampireX [n=serge@89.0.135.121.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === [miles] wonders if he's lucky being able to download an ISO in 3m 12s jeje [01:46] 13 packages left >_> === Lunar_Lamp [n=Lunar_La@87.113.88.146.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:47] theres a problem at totemplayer 2.18.1 while tryin to play a movie with a subtitle. it works fine without subtitle file (srt) [01:47] why would it fail ? === AdministratorX [n=adminx@66-23-192-162.clients.speedfactory.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:49] Kubuntulator: something wrong witht he mirror i suspect, give it half an hour or so and try again [01:49] oh ok === nomasteryoda [n=nomaster@202.sub-75-203-167.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:51] is there a rule of thumb how large the / partition vs the /home partition should be ...I do a lot of video editing etc and need lots of disk space for storing these files til they are burned to dvd . === XVampireX [n=serge@89.0.135.121.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:52] BluesKaj: 5gb root should be fine [01:53] so use the other 245 gb for your video [01:53] stefg, that's enuff to hold the OS and peripherals ? [01:54] BluesKaj: standard instal is ~2GB [01:54] ok, thx gents [01:54] BluesKaj: a default fesity install totals to around 2.5 gb installed files... you need space for apt,tmp and logs... that's it. [01:54] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16239/ [01:55] ok so to give it some headroom a 10G partition for / is plenty then ? [01:55] yup# [01:55] can some one check that out === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-76-211-249-141.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === stefg hasa couple of 7,5 gb partitions for testing... they never fill up more than, say, 60% [01:57] Kubuntulator: the dbus and X errors are unrelated [01:57] oh but are they bad ? [01:57] Kubuntulator: they are from the wacom devices that ubuntu puts in xorg.conf by default [01:58] have to noticed them before [01:58] is it somthing I need to fix ? === _filippo_ [n=pippo@host191-4-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:59] Kubuntulator: no it's not a problem it's just saying you don't have those input devices [01:59] Kubuntulator: the dbus error however, that is more serious i think === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:59] ok what should i do ? [01:59] Kubuntulator: I'm not really sure [01:59] heh === valehru [n=valehru@221.221.143.163] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:00] ask in #ubuntu === mike00 [n=mike@ppp156-139.lns4.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:00] Uh, ouch, the acerhk kernel module actually says that it find a "bios routine" for my wireless kill switch [02:01] anyone know of other things that deals with such kill switches? === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-76-211-249-141.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:01] cdimage.ubuntu.com is dog slow [02:02] no... saturates my 16 MBit line [02:02] err 1,6 === gemidjy [n=gemidjy@unaffiliated/gemidjy] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:03] maybe my ISP has the ubuntu images already in his cache :-) === freshmouse [n=martin@121.125.108.194.contactel.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [02:05] or maybe you're stealing the last of the bandwidth [02:05] no... i'm already installing ... and chatting on IRC won't eat up bandwith on cdimages.ubuntu.com :-) === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Mikelevel [n=MoVeWoRk@60.Red-80-25-210.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lolman [n=lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === meng [n=seatux@218.111.206.89] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:07] er i need help with the resolv.conf [02:08] but i'm bored to agony by this CD install... where to put feature requests? Launchpad? === CarinArr [n=carinarr@opal.spod.org] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:08] i need to save the nameserver entry to something else [02:09] but every reboot reset this to my router's [02:09] please help? === aldin [n=aldin@cm-4974.europronet.ba] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:09] meng: dhcp is overwriting it [02:10] so i need to make it permanent ip? [02:10] are there any mirrors for cdimage.ubuntu.com? [02:10] meng: i think you can configure dhclient to not change resolv.conf [02:10] howto? [02:11] meng: i'm not really sure, maybe look at the man page [02:11] what's the file to configure? [02:11] Good Morning from Marietta, GA [02:12] meng: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf [02:12] meng: dhclient.conf has it's own man page === Patrick_ [n=patrick@host81-137-28-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:14] hey guys having a problem when I log of the screen just stays blank?? and I have to hold down the power button to turn the laptop off [02:14] Patrick_, have you updated? [02:14] and restarted [02:14] yes === TheGeist [n=immortal@dsl-242-194-12.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:15] as for the power button, might want to use Ctrl+Alt+SysRq (under printscrn button) +K for sync and kill processes.. then same but "b" isntead of k [02:16] safer way to reboot hung system [02:16] Patrick_, don't do that [02:16] ok [02:16] then what could be causing this problem [02:16] Patrick_, you could switch to another terminal and restart from command line, or restart the gdm [02:16] not if you can't switch to another term [02:17] its happened to me before [02:17] i've seen this work well with kdm... it kills the hung kdm, then restarts it .. similar to the ctrl+alt+bkspc [02:17] it happens everytime [02:17] sounds like acpi hangs [02:18] is there a solution [02:18] i would look at the system logs (/var/log/syslog) to see what happened [02:18] what m/b do you have? [02:18] how do i change my default editor to vim? === jaaroo [n=jaro@x53.mykey.cz] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:19] dystopianray: edit env-variable EDITOR [02:19] llutz: no you have to use update-alternatives, but i'm not sure exactly how [02:19] nomasteryoda, Im using a brand new acer laptop [02:19] Patrick_: i had that on edgy, don't in feisty [02:20] nightmare [02:20] Patrick_: have you tried rebooting with acpi off? [02:20] see if it does the same [02:20] CarinArr, how to turn acpi off [02:21] Patrick_: when you reboot, in grub, you hit e to edit, and just stick acpi=off at the end of the line [02:21] Any good howto's on syncing windows based pocket pc with Kontact? [02:21] ok [02:22] ah, that newness might be the issue... but the acpi=off is most likely to help determine === aldin_ [n=aldin@cm-4959.europronet.ba] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:23] oh great.... installing the feisty RC: activating compiz means losing window borders, had to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to get a proper resolution ... hmmmm, this is more buggy than the beta for me [02:24] not to mention the DVD-writer bug [02:24] dystopianray: update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/vi vi /usr/bin/vim 1 && update-alternatives --set vi /usr/bin/vim [02:24] stefg: what dvd writer bug? [02:25] dystopianray: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91 === corey [n=corey@CPE001217e1b8eb-CM0014f85e4ca0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:25] llutz: well i worked it and that isn't quite correct [02:25] the one i talked about before... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/98670 [02:25] Malone bug 98670 in Ubuntu "DVD-Drive locks at startup when using usplash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [02:25] llutz: update-alternatives --set editor /usr/bin/vim.basic === cburg [n=chris@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:27] I think that bug has been around since Dapper....lol [02:28] im trying to run the rails console via script/console but I get the error: ./script/../config/../vendor/rails/railties/lib/commands/console.rb:25:in `exec': No such file or directory [02:28] figured it out, what is up with feisty and no resolving links eh? sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/bin/irb got it sorted out [02:28] the same problem happened with mysql today as well [02:28] really strange [02:28] valehru: true... but i'm tired of running my own kernel, caring for the related stuff like nvidia and vmware. Wasn't etch released recently :-) ? [02:28] oh well [02:29] stefg, yeah, I think that Ill be changing very very soon.. [02:29] although I like how feisty handles some things, like scim and language support, made it a complete breeze for me here in China.... [02:29] wonder how Debian will compare [02:30] not worried about anything else really [02:30] stefg: oh i thought you meant an error with writing dvds === Patrick_ [n=patrick@host81-137-28-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === stefg is buying Ben Collins a good german sixpack, if he simply reverts the changes he made from the 25 to the 27 build of the kernel [02:30] haha === valehru sticks with the guinness + jameson [02:30] anyone know what would be causing my laptop to hang when I log off [02:31] Patrick_, have you tried this === brotherJohn1234 [n=ritter@mail.eltkontor.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:31] switch to a terminal... say F1 [02:31] Patrick: Do you think it might be ACPI [02:31] not to sure [02:31] Ctrl+alt+F1 (F7 being your normal Gui one) [02:31] then login [02:32] then type sudo halt [02:32] just to see if that works [02:32] nomasteryoda, i cant do anything once I press log out except for holding down the power button [02:32] if so, then its something to do with the gui [02:32] no [02:32] i know that [02:33] if you switch to a terminal First [02:33] to confirm its at a deeper level than the gui [02:33] ok === neonlinux [n=kvirc@203.122.97.223] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:34] Or try acpi=off in your menu.lst file === Ripso [n=Ripso@91.84.96.129] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Patrick_ [n=patrick@host81-137-28-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sven__ [n=sven@cable-213-132-146-157.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:36] yes sudo halt works [02:37] when I do ctrl + alt + F1 and login [02:37] So my impression is that things went worse, not better, compared to the beta release.... regarding the edgy and dapper release i'd say ubuntu is building up a tradition in messing up releases in the last minute === LasseP [n=xerox@c-4476e255.010-198-73746f32.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:37] try acpi=off in your menu.lst file [02:37] try acpi=off in your menu.lst file [02:37] ok [02:38] where is that? [02:39] Patrick_:/boot/grub/menu.lst that will prevent the kernel from using energysaving etc.pp. not recommended for normal usage on a laptop [02:39] oh [02:39] so it would be a bad idea [02:39] I would love a distro thats just ready to go === DanglyBits [n=w@static24-72-74-4.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 === meal3837 [n=jason@75-166-29-186.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === svenowitch [n=sven@cable-213-132-146-157.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mstrzele [n=maciej@213-238-127-154.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:41] having problem with firefox shutting down when going to cnn.com anyone else have this issue? [02:41] ok, so, my dvd drive can't finish extended reads . . . my gut says broken drive, but dvd::rip suggested a problem with my libdvdread install === manchicken [n=manchkn@adsl-76-199-11-5.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:41] DanglyBits, i've had problems with ff randomly shutting down on media intense pages before [02:42] it will restart with last page you opened [02:42] DanglyBits: I am not having that issue [02:42] DanglyBits: sorry dude.. no prob here [02:42] DanglyBits, It's been a while, though === robertj [n=rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === odat [n=steve@c-71-207-39-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:43] what's the equivalent of 
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[02:44]  DanglyBits: Don't forget you always have the option of using the Opera Web Browser
[02:44]  is anyone familiar with that bug they had with g965 chipsets?
[02:45]  as far as the PATA controller
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[02:45]  meal3837: bug?
[02:46]  it's "fixed," at least so that you can get feisty installed, but the ICH8 southbridge doesn't include PATA support, and the 2.6.17 kernel didn't like a lot of the 3rd party PATA controllers that were put on these boards
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[02:47]  i think they fixed it with 2.6.20-15?
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[02:49]  i was going to ask if they actually found a driver to work with the PATA controller, but i ran lsmod and saw PATA_MARVELL
[02:49]  AdministratorX, that "acpi=off" line doesnt do anything, no difference
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[02:50]  Patrick_: were you trying to build gentoo last night?
[02:50]  meal3837, yep
[02:50]  Patrick_: i was catduck, i think
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[02:50]  funny
[02:51]  Patrick: Sorry to here that, It was the only thing I could think of that might be related to the shutdown problem
[02:51]  having trouble with actually getting it to shut off?
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[02:52]  AdministratorX: isn't there a command like acpi=force, or something like that?
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[02:53]  Any idea why I cannot install grub to (hd0,2) but only to (hd0) ???
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[02:55]  meal3837: I think you are right about that, not sure about the syntax
[02:55]  how many more hours until release
[02:56]  AdministratorX: i had that prob on my old comp, i wound up reading some google hits from other distros to solve it . . . yay
[02:56]  RawSewage, released when its released
[02:57]  ...
[02:57]  yeah, same here, that's how I find alot of fixes also.
[02:58]  RawSewage, there is no specific point in time we're aiming for...
[02:58]  ok
[02:58]  RawSewage, when it is ready, it will be released
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[03:01]  So why is it that metacity works with compiz on my feisty install, that was installed from the beta and upgraded, but fails on a fresh install from the RC -CD?
[03:01]  Patrick_: try acpi=force as an option in your grub
[03:01]  AdministratorX: I actually found it in an ubuntu forum this time
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[03:02]  metacity doesn't work with compiz at all, does it?
[03:02]  aren't they seperate window managers?
[03:02]  It did... on the beta
[03:02]  no, compiz is like a layer
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[03:03]  i guess i'm confused, since they're both listed as window managers in my beryl menu
[03:03]  ya
[03:03]  metacity and compiz are both 'window managers' they can not run at the same time. compiz does however use a 'gtk-window decorator' which is essentially the same as what metacity uses as well and thus looks the same
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[03:04]  so i have two fesity installs on this box now... this one, unencumbered and pristine as put by the installer, and another one which was updated from the beta over time. They behave totally different,  ???
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[03:05]  Any idea why I cannot install grub to (hd0,2) but only to (hd0) ???
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[03:06]  hd0 is a disk, hd0,2 is a partition
[03:06]  mips, grub gets installed to the mbr at the start of a disk, not a partition
[03:07]  mips, the bios can only read a certain amount into a disc to boot from so it has to be at the physical start
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[03:08]  PriceChild, I use GAG on my MBR. Wiht Debian Etch I installed Grub to a partition, no problem.
[03:09]  PriceChild, GAG then points to the partition of Etch and Grub loads
[03:10]  I haven't got a clue on that :)
[03:10]  < anyone want to call my college and tell them i'm dying from . . . terrorists or something?
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[03:11]  GAG: Is The Graphical Boot Manager (Current Version 4.8)
[03:11]  meal3837, that's bad... and sad
[03:11]  that acronym makes no sense
[03:11]  meal3837, dont be so slack, make use of your oppertunities as there are many less fortunate
[03:11]  I prefer Grub myself.
[03:12]  yeah, yeah, i know . . . but it's business law
[03:12]  mips, if anymore morons try what happened at VA Tech, then telelearning will be the way to go...
[03:13]  guys, lets keep on-topic shall we?
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[03:15]  GAG is a breeze to setup compared to Grub
[03:15]  topic drift = my fault . . . apologies
[03:16]  btw, i've been newsless for about 3 days . . . was completely unaware of the VAtech thicg, sorry abou that too, i'm not really that tasteless
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[03:23]  hi all...
[03:23]  I'm trying to upgrade to Feisty using adept-manager... but no Version Upgrade button... I followed instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[03:23]  any clue?
[03:26]  i know this an obvious question but did you add this to your sources list : deb [WWW]  http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-pre-feisty-upgrade/ edgy main
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[03:26]  Upand did you do step 4
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[03:30]  BluesKaj: yep...
[03:30]  BluesKaj: added and double checked...
[03:31]  Hi, I have a quick question because I'm not sure if my problem is with Feisty but for some reason my wlan messes up sometimes. First let me explain my set up. I have a Broadcom wireless card installed with ndiswraper 1.9. I can connect to the wireless network fine, and I can use the internet fine. The problem is that sometimes, I'm not sure how or why it won't connect to local hosts (such as 192.168.1.XXX) and then other times it won't resolve any domain na
[03:31]  mes (such as google.com) and I have to restart for the issue to be fixed. Would this be an issue with Feisty? It never happened to me with Edgy so that's why I'm wondering. Thanks
[03:31]  I have Ubuntu 6.10 right now. If I download the live CD to test if Feisty works for me, can I use the CD to upgrade from it? If I can, I suppose it is done by adding the CD to "Software Origins", in the "Other providers" tab, isn't it?
[03:31]  btw... even using Upgrade Manager I won't get anithing about a new release
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[03:31]  Turgon: yes, you can...
[03:31]  evening everybody :)
[03:32]  well... you actually need the "alternate" cd...
[03:32]  hello, How do I stop kde from starting at boot?
[03:32]  turgon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
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[03:33]  K, thanks. I'll read that (I only wanted to save bandwidth, tomorrow surely will be a bit crammed XD )
[03:33]  Like right now for example, I'm connected to the internet fine but I can't ping another host inside my network (Which I was able to earlier and if I restart I will most likely be able to)
[03:33]  My wireless with manual IP configuration, ie, no roaming mode, is not working
[03:34]  nm-applet says manual configuration
[03:34]  What could be wrong?
[03:34]  With automatic config, it works
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[03:35]  ferret_0568, Are you clicking on the nm-applet icon and then going to manual configuration?
[03:35]  Yes
[03:35]  ferret_0568, From what I understand that takes you to the ubuntu network configuration tool which changes the interfaces file... and if I understand correctly nm-applet does not work off of this file
[03:35]  ferret_0568, So manually configuring it will not work with nm-applet
[03:36]  ferret_0568, I could be wrong but thats what I understood. So if you manually configured it you will have to set your essid with iwconfig and use dhclient to get an IP
[03:36]  Well...NetworkManager is supposed to control ath0, but if nm-applet says manual config...then shouldn't NetworkManager give the interface up?
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[03:36]  ferret_0568, And nm-applet will not be able to manage it. (I don't know why it lets you do it if that is the case)
[03:36]  ferret_0568, Well, if you have the interface in your interfaces file nm-applet will probably not recognize it when you restart or reload the applet
[03:37]  ferret_0568, But I'm not completely sure.. If you manually configure it you have to get it up all the way yourself I think
[03:37]  I'm going to do a dpkg -L real quick
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[03:38]  ...where is the NetworkManager interfaces file? I'm trying to find that out
[03:39]  ferret_0568, By NetworkManager you're refering to the nm-applet, right? If so I'm not sure.
[03:39]  hi folks, my kubuntu 7.04 went to trashing mode and after a reboot, i can see kdm and login.  but kde refuses to start.  kicks me back to kdm.  any ideas?  using dell d400 with i810
[03:39]  No
[03:39]  ferret_0568, The interfaces file I was refering to is the one in /etc/network/interfaces
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[03:39]  ferret_0568, Oh okay. You're talking about the Ubuntu network manager?
[03:39]  I am referring to the actual NetworkManager daemon interfaces file
[03:39]  Yeah
[03:39]  nm-applet does not control that
[03:40]  ferret_0568, Yeah its /etc/network/interfaces
[03:40]  ferret_0568, No it doesn't
[03:40]  thanks
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[03:40]  Exien is correct, that is the path to the file
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[03:41]  Hello, all- i am having trouble downloading packages even after I run apt-get update. it says the packages werent found.
[03:41]  Well, ath0 isn't in there, it's a Cardbus wireless card
[03:41]  what gives? and yeah, am using a feisty image about 2 weeks old
[03:42]  ferret_0568, That means it isn't configured correctly. Is it enabled from the network manager?
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[03:42]  Does Feisty have a nice Face browser now? I know the composite browser was deferred. But a normal one?
[03:42]  Yes
[03:42]  hi guys, i wanted to try the vmware beta but it's download is an rpm, what command do i use with alien to convert it to deb?
[03:42]  I'm using NM to control it now
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[03:43]  It's working with automatic NetworkManager config
[03:43]  ferret_0568, oh weird... i don't know then :(
[03:43]  ferret_0568, can you find it if you run ifconfig
[03:43]  ok, no more GAG, now I need to add openbsd to grub
[03:43]  ferret_0568, or iwconfig?
[03:43]  Yes
[03:43]  Both
[03:44]  No wireless errors, my connection is not bad
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[03:44]  errr....some help? please :)  - i am having trouble downloading packages for feisty- doing an update even now. i've downloaded most of the packages. its just that several of them are giving me trouble
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[03:45]  yagami_: what sort of trouble are u getting?
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[03:45]  btw, if you want to fix your DPI, if it's not the correct one or one that you want, you can add "-dpi " to the end of the X server command line in GDM.
[03:45]  well, packages arent being found- but can't proceed with upgrade if I don't install them. unless of course, i use --ignore-missing. dont think thats a good idea.
[03:46]  yagami_: ok, have u looked at what the software sources are saying? System > Administration > Software Sources
[03:46]  I fixed mine that way, my DPI was something like 120-135, now it's 96
[03:46]  It's a lot better now
[03:47]  yagami_: check that all except Source Code are checked & reload
[03:47]  How do I print all the lines after a certain string in a text file?
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[03:48]  yeah, shirish - i have that unchecked. its just that i am unable to download this http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz when i do apt-get update
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[03:49]  I have a marker in dpkg.log for the start of KDE package installation, and I want to print all lines after that. I know how to print just the package column in dpkg.log, if you want it
[03:49]  yagami_: why are u using us mirror, use the main server, I believe the main server is in England
[03:49]  yagami_: sometimes there might be duplicate entries in /etc/sources.list which garbles things
[03:50]  yagami_: hence whenever u run into problems, go to main mirror, reload (or do apt-get update or aptitude update) and then upgrade
[03:50]  ok, i think its working now, shirish - doing upgrade and its on the get#2 so i'll check and see if the problem recurs. thanks, shirish
[03:50]  yagami_: cool :)
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[03:52]  How I print just the package column in dpkg.log: cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep  | grep