[12:19] <ScottK> Thanks everyone who showed up at the CC meeting for me.
[12:19] <Nafallo> my pleasure :-)
[12:20] <pochu> ScottK: congrats :)
[12:20] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:20] <Nafallo> ajmitch: confirmed false statement about harddisk sleeping :-P
[12:22] <tsmithe> ScottK, were you in for membership?
[12:22] <ScottK> Yes
[12:30] <LaserJock> ScottK: man, this is a loooooong meeting
[12:43] <Lutin> ScottK: congrats :)
[12:48] <peterflute> hello all, I was advised to come here by gnomefreak over on the channel for feisty owners....I have a problem with the configuration of an nvidia 6600gt on an asus mb. Any takers?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> can someone with nvidia knowledge give peterflute  a hand please.
[12:49] <jmg> peterflute: whats the issue?
[12:49] <jmg> gnomefreak: surely #ubuntu+1 or #nvidia is a better place...?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> jmg: he has tried in #ubuntu+1 for 2 weeks
[12:50] <gnomefreak> jmg: i spent 3 days on it and i still cant figure out why people with that card have such issues
[12:50] <jmg> peterflute: did you post to forums?
[12:50] <jmg> hmm
[12:50] <jmg> ok
[12:50] <jmg> card specific...
[12:50] <peterflute> Hello. Every tim eI try to install the nvidia drivers, I get a black screen when I restart the x session. No number lock light on the kbd, no sound. only way to get out is restart, then switch to "nv" via vim
[12:50] <peterflute> yes jmg, some time ago, but no luck
[12:51] <jmg> peterflute: what version drivers have you tried? did you try the -legacy driver/
[12:51] <peterflute> I never tried the legacy drivers.....Surely the non legacy woul dbe more appropriate???
[12:52] <ScottK> Lutin: Thanks
[12:52] <LaserJock> darn, ScottK's membership went right past me
[12:53] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:53] <LaserJock> and I was going to put a link to my blog :/
[12:53] <ScottK> Is OK, I got in with no problem...
[12:53] <jmg> peterflute, 7184 supports the   GeForce 6600/GeForce 6600 GT
[12:53] <LaserJock> well yeah
[12:54] <jmg> peterflute, so you might give it a go in case there is a regression in the newer driver...
[12:54] <jmg> iirc thats the reason -legacy was created.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> ScottK: congrats
[12:55] <ScottK> Thanks
[12:55] <peterflute> So maybe I should just try legacy first?
[12:55] <jmg> peterflute: give that a go and come back
[12:55] <jmg> yeah
[12:55] <peterflute> synaptic is so much less hassle...
[12:55] <jdong> jmg: legacy was created because nvidia is dropping support for older cards with every new driver :)
[12:55] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:55] <gnomefreak> 6600 cant be that old
[12:56] <jmg> jdong: so they should... forceware is ridiculously huge :)
[12:56] <peterflute> I 'll give it a whirl. thanks for the help. 6600gt is now counted as old then
[12:56] <jmg> gnomefreak: yeah, but i imagine they dont care about anything thats not bleeding edge
[12:56] <peterflute> (12 months....jeez)
[12:56] <jdong> jmg: hah well it ain't any smaller yet :D
[12:56] <peterflute> sounds like it s a good idea.
[12:56] <jdong> peterflute: no, it's not old... I still use Geforce4's 
[12:56] <gnomefreak> jmg: i see
[12:56] <jdong> peterflute: just a different driver to test
[12:56] <jmg> stupid deadly embrace :p
[12:57] <jdong> but the problem sounds like a monitor sync range related thing
[12:57] <peterflute> See you all later, and thanks very much for the help. It's a great community.
[12:57] <jdong> we might have to perform surgery on his sync ranges if this doesn't work
[12:57] <peterflute> thats what I thought jdong, so I tried specifying easy ranges for it, but to no avail
[12:57] <jdong> weird
[12:57] <peterflute> we could use an axe....
[12:57] <peterflute> or .....a mattock!!!!!
[12:57] <jmg> peterflute: did you try blanking the sync ranges out and letting the driver negotiate?
[12:57] <jdong> ah, the wonderful world of video drivers :)
[12:58] <peterflute> jmg, no I didnt....
[12:58] <jmg> peterflute: also what panel are you connecting to and via what interface
[12:58] <peterflute> its an lg 774ft via agp
[12:59] <imbrandon> LaserJock, wow, what a looooooong meeting 
[12:59] <imbrandon> anyhow gnight all
[12:59] <LaserJock> imbrandon: no kidding
[01:00] <LaserJock> I thought they were delgating it all
[01:00] <jmg> peterflute: dvi, vga, tvout, hdmi?
[01:00] <peterflute> vga
[01:01] <jmg> ok
[01:02] <pochu> peterflute: have you search for that bug in LP?
[01:03] <pochu> peterflute: bug 95542
[01:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 95542 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "no display after enabling nvidia driver (feisty beta)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95542
[01:03] <pochu> bug 98721
[01:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 98721 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "Black screen on Xorg start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98721
[01:04] <pochu> peterflute: maybe any of those two bugs are what you're experiencing?
[01:06] <peterflute> I'll take a look
[01:09] <peterflute> I dont think so...I 'll try the legacy drivers, and I note there iare now three available drivers via synaptic....nvidia-glx, glx legacy, and glx new
[01:10] <jdong> ajmitch: OMGZ BUT ITS NOT NEW!!!one
[01:10] <jdong> lol
[01:11] <peterflute> cheers all, and tahnks again
[01:14] <ajmitch> hi Burgundavia 
[01:14] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[01:17] <grayman> oh finally someone talked about it
 what's up with Vesa. It seems to be a lot of troubles
[01:17] <grayman> * cr3 (n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3)    #ubuntu-devel
[01:17] <grayman> * johanbr   IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
 apparently it turns off the monitor when using geforce FX 5200(tried only on it). Is it a known issue or it's just my pc?
 "turns off the monitor"?
[01:18] <grayman> and again it's "fixed" when you switch to nv
[01:20] <grayman> the other bugs are dealing with ATI cards
[01:22] <grayman> hmmm
[01:23] <grayman> and i thought that putting generic driver instead of nv wasn't a bug
[01:26] <jmg> im confused... did peterflute get fixed?
[01:30] <pochu> jmg: peterflute> I dont think so...I 'll try the legacy drivers, and I note there iare now thrpeterflute> I dont think so...I 'll try the legacy drivers, and I note there iare now three available drivers via synaptic....nvidia-glx, glx legacy, and glx newee available drivers via synaptic....nvidia-glx, glx legacy, and glx new
[01:30] <pochu> oups :)
[01:31] <jmg> yes and then he quit
[01:31] <grayman> to try the legacy
[01:31] <grayman> still do not explain why it goes black on generic driver!
[01:32] <jmg> i think thats an nvagp issue
[01:32] <grayman> but with nv it works fine
[01:32] <jmg> yews
[01:32] <jmg> -w
[01:32] <jmg> nv doesnt use nvagp
[01:32] <jmg> only nvidia
[01:33] <grayman> well, and vesa does?
[01:33] <grayman> i was talking about vesa which for some reason was put in the config after fresh install
[01:33] <jmg> vesa doesnt but nvidia vesa support, indeed any post 2000 card has shonky vesa at best
[01:34] <grayman> maybe it should attempt to put nv instead then?
[01:34] <grayman> could cause troubles
[01:36] <grayman> also i could go around that with turning my screen off before X loads and then turning it back
[01:36] <grayman> with build 14
[01:37] <grayman> after i updated today it no longer worked
[01:37] <jmg> typical
[01:37] <jmg> im not tracking feisty yet
[02:12] <pochu> night all
[02:24] <ScottK> Would someone (preferably keescook if he's awake/around), please look at Bug #107350 and see if it qualifies as a security fix.  I think it does.
[02:24] <ubotu> Malone bug 107350 in pptpd "pptpd freeze" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107350
[02:27] <ScottK> Thanks
[02:29] <ScottK> keescook: I was thinking the first part of the problem might qualify as a input validation error with some potential for security.
[02:30] <keescook> ScottK: so, I'm not too familiar with pptp code, but does the patch fix the protocol within the encrypted tunnel, or outside of it?
[02:31] <keescook> i.e. can a 3rd party cause the denial-of-service?
[02:31] <ScottK> I don't know.  I'm not familiar with the code.  I saw it go by on #ubuntu-bugs
[02:32] <ScottK> I looked in the upstream CVS and this was the only change in the new version, so upstream thought it was serious enough to pull the trigger on a release for it.
[02:32] <keescook> I'm sure it'd be fine for a -update release; sounds like a nasty bug.  :)  For -security, I'd like to see that it has some kind of 3rd party interaction.  (i.e. so what if I can DoS my own PPTP tunnel)  :)
[02:32] <ScottK> That doesn't say if it's security related or not.
[02:32] <ScottK> OK.
[02:33] <ScottK> keescook: Thanks for looking at it.
[02:33] <keescook> ScottK: sure!  thanks for noticing it.  :)
[02:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:04] <ScottK> keescook: For the fix for Feisty for Bug #107350, I gather I put feisty-updates for distro now?
[03:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 107350 in pptpd "pptpd freeze" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107350
[03:08] <bddebian> ScottK: So what happened? :)
[03:08] <ScottK> I'm in.
[03:08] <ScottK> Thanks for the plug.
[03:08] <bddebian> Sweet, congrats
[03:09] <ajmitch> it took about 30 seconds
[03:09] <ScottK> ajmitch: Do you know the answer to my question above for kees?  It's a main package.
[03:09] <ajmitch> -proposed first
[03:10] <ScottK> Ah.  Thanks.
[03:10] <ajmitch> basically follow whatever the main SRU policy is
[03:10] <ajmitch> should be on the wiki somewhere
[03:10] <ajmitch> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[03:10] <ScottK> Thanks
[03:15] <bddebian> ScottK: There's no such thing as over-prepared ;-P
[03:15] <ScottK> It did help them get back on schedule.
[03:29] <joejaxx> bddebian: my xorg is taking up 420mb of ram :P
[03:32] <bddebian> Nice
[03:52] <ScottK> cool.
[03:56] <ScottK> keescook: I am somewhat launchpad impaired, so I'm not sure if I got that arranged right, but Bug #107350 now has patches for Feisty, Edgy, and Dapper proposed.
[03:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 107350 in pptpd "SRU proposal - pptpd freeze" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107350
[03:57] <jmg>  pptpd sucks
[03:57] <jmg> l2tpd ktx
[03:57] <jmg> openvpn ktx
[03:57] <jmg> pptpd notx
[03:58] <jmg> clearly ScottK has never had to debug a pptpd tunnel
[03:58] <jmg> LCP TIMEOUT ERROR!
[03:58] <jmg> IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO VPN!
[03:58] <ScottK> You are correct.
[03:59] <ScottK> User reports serious issue with a package and has a patch, I package the patch.  That's as far as I go.
[03:59] <jmg> :)
[03:59] <jmg> of course
[03:59] <jmg> im just ranting
[04:00] <jmg> fortunately i no longer work in that particular enterprise
[04:00] <jmg> here we roll openvpn
[05:15] <crimsun> ScottK: 'grats!
[05:16] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:16] <ScottK> It was easy with all the backing I had.
[05:18] <bddebian> Don't get cocky ;-P
[05:19] <jmg> scottk is now a member of the illuminatus
[05:19] <jmg> please report for reeducation
[05:19] <bddebian> heh
[05:20] <ScottK> bddebian: Not me, all you guys that showed up/e-mailed.
[05:32] <pierce> is there a repository somewhere where I can get recent versions of lastfm and azureus etc?
[05:33] <ScottK> Generally we just support what's in the official repositories. I'm sure the answer to that is yes, but I've no idea where or how well they work.
[05:39] <pierce> hmm, so there are no official repositories that have the new versions?  The version of azureus in feisty is really buggy, and new versions address those bugs.  From the bug reports I have seen posted, it looks like the only workaround is to install the new azureus outside of the whole apt thing altogether
[05:40] <jdong> pierce: 2.5.0.0 is the latest version of Azureus
[05:41] <Lathiat> 2.5.0.4 is the latest releases version
[05:41] <pierce> 2.5.0.4 is the latest in 2.5. and there's also 3.0 now
[05:41] <jdong> pierce: the bugginess is most likely due to Azureus being compiled with GCC Java, not with the actual program itself
[05:41] <Lathiat> 2.5.0.0 is in edgy
[05:41] <jdong> pierce: 3.0 does not run under Linux yet; 2.5.0.4 will auto-update when running it, IIRC
[05:41] <Lathiat> piece: heh 3.0 just links to 2.5.0.0 on linux
[05:41] <pierce> 2.5.0.0 is the latest in feisty
[05:41] <Lathiat> jdong: it wont auto update when installed with apt
[05:41] <Lathiat> because normal users cant write to the files
[05:42] <jdong> Lathiat: I thought it installs to ~/.azureus
[05:42] <jdong> at least the last time I used Debian azureus it had that capability
[05:42] <Lathiat> yeh?
[05:42] <Lathiat> i've had it whigne and complain before
[05:42] <jdong> GRR it crashes under compiz
[05:42] <jdong> that's right.
[05:42] <Lathiat> heh
[05:43] <jdong> Azureus isn't one of the easy ones to package either
[05:44] <Lathiat> yeh theres a bunch of changes
[05:44] <jdong> not to mention we repack upstream tarballs
[05:45] <pierce> why does ubuntu even support compiz?  I thought people stopped developing on that a while back.  those java bugs were fixed in beryl a long time ago
[05:45] <jdong> pierce: no, compiz is under active development
[05:45] <DarkMageZ> i heard rumors that compiz & beryl were going to merge
[05:45] <jdong> pierce: Currently Azureus crashes with the identical internal error under Beryl 0.2.1
[05:45] <jdong> DarkMageZ: they're not rumors; they're plans,
[06:20] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: And more than plans, they're almost-implemented plans.
[06:21] <superm1> RAOF, almost implemented as in the merge is almost done?
[06:22] <RAOF> Yeah.
[06:22] <superm1> wow.  i expected that to be a several month long process.  sure shocked me 
[06:22] <RAOF> There's still some social issues which need thrashing out, but (almost all) the beryl plugins now run on an unmodified compiz-core
[06:23] <RAOF> When last I checked, at least.
[06:23] <superm1> what happened of the plugins with questionable legality, eg genie effect and expose?
[06:24] <RAOF> AFAIK expose (== scale) was never questionably legal, and I think the genie effect (by default) has a minimum # of "waves".
[06:24] <superm1> ah
[06:24] <RAOF> (Stupid, stupid patents)
[06:25] <DarkMageZ> wouldn't expose still be questionably legal in the US tho? doesn't apple have a patent for that?
[06:25] <RAOF> Dunno.  It's been in Compiz forever (as in, since the 0.0.1 release), though.
[06:26] <jdong> RAOF: Novell shipped with scale on for SLED10... I think if it was a serious legal problem, they would've not allowed it
[06:27] <jdong> these are the guys who believe the MPEG2 codec must be stripped out of ffmpeg to ship...
[06:27] <jdong> legal paranoia to the max.
[06:27] <RAOF> Right. :)
[06:27] <DarkMageZ> they can only be paranoid if they realise
[06:27] <jdong> DarkMageZ: I'm sure they realize
[06:27] <jdong> Novell isn't stupid, on the legal front
[06:27] <RAOF> And, well, MPEG2 *should* be stripped out of ffmpeg by default to ship... :P
[06:28] <jdong> RAOF: doesn't our ffmpeg support mpeg2?
[06:28] <jdong> RAOF: I think we can play mpeg2 out of the box, actually....
[06:28] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:28] <jdong> :)
[06:28] <superm1> but we still do have gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mpegdemux available to us
[06:28] <RAOF> We can, but (from memory) there are still a bunch of patents on the MPEG* codecs
[06:28] <jdong> install SLED, the only thing it plays out of the box are Ogg Vorbis, Ogg Theora, and RealPlayer stuff
[06:29] <jdong> RAOF: MPEG* are all patented
[06:29] <RAOF> *Realplayer*?
[06:29] <jdong> RAOF: they licensed Realplayer to play MP3's
[06:29] <RAOF> Aaaah.  Right.
[06:29] <jdong> that's their solution for legal mp3 playback
[06:29] <jdong> amarok and stuff all route thru realplayer
[06:29] <RAOF> Why not fluendo's Gstreamer plugin?
[06:29] <jdong> it was before that was available
[06:29] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[06:29] <jdong> I'm not sure what's the reason nowadays
[06:29] <jdong> but Novell's been doing that since they acquired Suse
[06:30] <superm1> if fluendo's is installed, does gstreamer use that over ffmpeg?
[06:30] <jdong> silly legal world...
[06:30] <jmg> so braindead
[06:30] <RAOF> No idea, and don't actually care.
[06:30] <RAOF> One mp3 decoder is pretty much as good as another :)
[06:32] <DarkMageZ> if you wanna get rid of the majority of the patent BS. all you need to do is nuke america.
[06:32] <bddebian> *ahem*
[06:32] <DarkMageZ> after evacuating the rare few smart ones
[06:32] <pierce> haha
[06:33] <jdong> lol
[06:33] <RAOF> There's plenty of patent craziness around, though.  It's not like it's just the USA.
[06:33] <pierce> don't know, Australia, EU, etc are getting into the fun now too
[06:35] <bddebian> Well that has to be George Bush's fault too somehow
[06:35] <RAOF> Hey, is it now legal to rip CD's that we own in .au?  I forget how that's coming along.
[06:35] <pierce> or just join the pirate party in whatever country you live in :-p
[06:35] <DarkMageZ> superm1, i hear the pirate bay is trying to create their own country. you could work with them to make a great nation.
[06:35] <superm1> hehe
[06:36] <superm1> DarkMageZ, would you come live there with me then?
[06:36] <bddebian> Yeah good luck powering those servers on granola
[06:36] <pierce> haha
[06:37] <bddebian> What the hell happened to bhale, anyway, I never see that guy anymore? :-(
[06:37] <pierce> haha, from wikipedia    The term "patent" originates from the Latin word patere which means "to lay open" (i.e., make available for public inspection)
[06:38] <pierce> "a patent provides the right to exclude others from making, using, selling, offering for sale, or importing the patented invention"
[06:39] <pierce> I still don't understand how that can apply to free software
[06:39] <lifeless> pierce: because its the law.
[06:39] <lifeless> laws are a social convention, and have nothing to do with the 'laws of physics'
[06:39] <RAOF> pierce: "making", "using"
[06:40] <lifeless> its entirely possible to write a law that makes possessing a copy of the GPL a felony.
[06:40] <RAOF> It's stupid, but pieces of mathematics (algorithms) are patentable.
[06:40] <RAOF> At least in the USA.
[06:42] <pierce> I think it's all contestable though.  The first amendment to distribute information should be able to trump all of this new legal BS
[06:42] <ScottK> And in the EU too if you folks over there don't watch out.
[06:43] <Burgundavia> pierce: first amendment only talks about freedom of speech
[06:43] <Burgundavia> this is not a freedom of speech issue
[06:43] <RAOF> pierce: But patents have *always* been about restricting what you can *do* with information (/speech), while forcing you to publish the info.
[06:44] <pierce> haha, mathematical formalization, and proper publication of laws would be nice :-p
[06:44] <pierce> lawyers would only be needed to help prove or disprove intent
[06:46] <RAOF> A nice idea, but flawed in practice.  I doubt you could draft laws which need no interpretation.
[06:47] <pierce> ya, there would always be loopholes when it comes to intent, so there are still ways out
[06:47] <RAOF> And where there is interpretation, there is precedent.  And where there is precedent, there is crazy lawyering :)

[06:48] <pierce> I also think that all written text should be XML compliant
[06:48] <lifeless> you should all read 'accelerando'
[06:49] <bddebian> or Mein Kampf
[06:49] <RAOF> By?  Where?
[06:49] <RAOF> Ok, my response was delayed for *slightly* too long there :)
[06:50] <pierce> hehe, amazon recommended mein kampf to me the other day.  that was a bit weird
[06:50] <lifeless> google for 'accelerando'
[06:50] <ScottK> The good news is enough big companies are starting to get hit by stupid patent tricks that I think some of them are having second thoughts.
[06:50] <lifeless> ScottK: what, like IBM, MS, SCO, ???
[06:51] <lifeless> some of the biggest patent holders ...
[06:51] <ScottK> Microsoft, Blackberry, others
[06:51] <ScottK> Not SCO.   SCO isn't about (much) patents.
[06:52] <DarkMageZ> has sco been liquidated yet?
[06:52] <jmg> they are pretty much pure litigation now
[07:20] <jml> RAOF: re ripping CDs
[07:21] <jml> RAOF: watch Kim Weatherall's talk from LCA 2007
[07:25] <imbrandon> re
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:01] <RAOF> Good afternoon :)
[08:01] <RAOF> jml: Yeah, I *really* must get around to watching that.
[08:02] <jml> RAOF: it makes little sense for Australian geeks to argue about IP law unless they've watched that.
[08:02] <jml> or unless they are lawyers
[08:09] <LaserJock> hi dholbach 
[08:09] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[08:09] <dholbach> LaserJock: what do you think about adding the behindmotu feed to planet ubuntu?
[08:10] <LaserJock> well
[08:10] <LaserJock> Burgundavia doesn't like the idea
[08:10] <dholbach> why?
[08:10] <LaserJock> and I'm not sure either
[08:10] <LaserJock> the idea was that planet was for personal blogs
[08:11] <dholbach> if we have stuff like 'debian package a day' we can also have 'behind motu'
[08:11] <LaserJock> so things like package-a-day and things like that shouldn't be there
[08:11] <Burgundavia> dholbach: I am not really in favour of the deiban package of the day
[08:11] <Burgundavia> it really should be part of the fridge
[08:11] <dholbach> I like 'behind motu' and want to hear more about our MOTUs and hopefuls
[08:11] <dholbach> and it's not 'high volume'
[08:11] <LaserJock> dholbach: so my thought is maybe we can promote it elsewhere?
[08:12] <dholbach> we also have 'launchpad updates' on planet
[08:12] <LaserJock> Burgundavia suggested we can promote it on fridge and UWN
[08:12] <dholbach> AND planet ;-)
[08:13] <LaserJock> I mean, I try to keep them relevent and short(ish) to be planet friendly
[08:13] <LaserJock> but I do see Burgundavia's point
[08:13] <dholbach> it's an rss feed - it's the most natural thing to aggregate it on planet ;-)
[08:13] <Burgundavia> then why not have the fridge on planet?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> planet is aobut people
[08:13] <Burgundavia> fridge is new
[08:13] <Burgundavia> news
[08:13] <dholbach> behindmotu is about people too :)
[08:14] <LaserJock> true
[08:14] <dholbach> but I don't want to talk people into something - I just liked the idea very much and *to me* it makes more sense than other things on planet
[08:15] <Burgundavia> I am merely concerned about planet getting very noisy] 
[08:15] <LaserJock> well, I'm not particularly stuck either way
[08:15] <\sh> moins
[08:15] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: well, it'll be roughly 1 post per week
[08:16] <LaserJock> about Ubuntu people
[08:16] <crimsun> behind* is the least likely candidate to decrease the S:N ratio.
[08:17] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, planet is already noisy with non-ubuntu stuff, but thats the thing about planets IMHO they should be a little bit, they are "behind the lives of the people of ubuntu" 
[08:17] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: indeed
[08:17] <imbrandon> :)
[08:17] <imbrandon> btw moins 
[08:17] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:17] <LaserJock> well, I'm up for whatever people decide
[08:18] <LaserJock> since currently I'm in control of Behind MOTU I can make it as noisy (or quiet) as I want
[08:18] <LaserJock> and I don't think I'm a particularly noisy person
[08:18] <\sh> a side block for package of the day or whatever is nice on planet ,)
[08:18] <LaserJock> I could be wrong though
[08:18] <imbrandon> i think once a week is good , its not tooo much
[08:19] <imbrandon> redbull gives you wingggggggggsssssss
[08:19] <LaserJock> oh goodness
[08:19] <LaserJock> imbrandon's high again
[08:19] <\sh> redoing planet with drupal and adding more stuff to the frontpage? ,-)
[08:20] <imbrandon> \sh, i dont think drupal is the answer, planetplanet is quite extensable, and the -devel list for it is very active
[08:21] <imbrandon> its just a matter of getting the templates that p.u.c uses and modifying them
[08:21] <Flannel> drupal is stooopid
[08:21] <ajmitch> evening
[08:21] <imbrandon> me and / or corey should be able to get them as we're on the website team :)
[08:21] <Flannel> then again, I think most CMSs are.  Completely inappropriate for relatively static websites.
[08:21] <imbrandon> Flannel, planet is anything but static :)
[08:21] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[08:22] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: indeed. I will get on nuzum after the feisty relesae
[08:22] <\sh> well, planet is a blog rss aggregator from ubuntu members blogs
[08:22] <\sh> fridge is a news page for hot stuff
[08:22] <Flannel> imbrandon: right, planet is an appropriate use of a CMS.  Ive seen company websites that consist entirely of "posts"
[08:22] <imbrandon> agrees with ajmitch i think its time for another weekly dose :)
[08:22] <\sh> so debian package of the day is something for fridge -> software news tab
[08:23] <imbrandon> \sh, possibly, i agree
[08:23] <\sh> it's easy to add it to the fridge (even with an rss aggregator plugin of drupal)
[08:23] <ajmitch> imbrandon: poke LaserJock :)
[08:23] <imbrandon> LaserJock!!!
[08:23] <ajmitch> oh mr LaserJock!
[08:24] <imbrandon> pick another unfortunate^W willing MOTU :)
[08:24] <LaserJock> dude
[08:24] <LaserJock> I'm just waiting for the email
[08:24] <imbrandon> hehe :)
[08:24] <ajmitch> waiting?
[08:24] <LaserJock> I think I'm even getting a screenie this time
[08:24] <imbrandon> from? /me is curious
[08:24] <ajmitch> so you've picked out some lucky victim?
[08:24] <ajmitch> imbrandon: certainly not me :)
[08:24] <LaserJock> waiting for geser (sssh, don't tell)
[08:25] <ajmitch> ah...
[08:25] <imbrandon> cool
[08:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I need to think of some better questions
[08:27] <LaserJock> but I plan on sending out several at once so I have a ready supply
[08:27] <ajmitch> "what is your favourite colour?"
[08:27] <ajmitch> "what is your quest?"...
[08:27] <imbrandon> "what level DungeonMaster are you?" ...
[08:27] <LaserJock> my original plan was to do ~ 1/week so end up with ~50 interviews by the end of a year
[08:28] <LaserJock> I figure that should cover most MOTUs and MOTU Hopefuls
[08:28] <imbrandon> silly DM's dont have levels
[08:28] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no no no
[08:29] <ajmitch> imbrandon: what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
[08:29] <imbrandon> heh
[08:29] <LaserJock> I also had another brain storm this evening
[08:30] <LaserJock> (must have been something I ate)
[08:30] <LaserJock> but I need to develop it more before I unleash it on you guys
[08:30] <imbrandon> heh
[08:31] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just spill it
[08:31] <ajmitch> we won't tell
[08:31] <LaserJock> heh, I'm just afraid everybody will laugh at me unless I have a "proof-of-concept'
[08:31] <ajmitch> nah
[08:31] <ajmitch> we're used to crazy ideas
[08:32] <LaserJock> oh man
[08:32] <LaserJock> speaking of which
[08:32] <imbrandon> ajmitch, btw i picked up a nother 2u case ( empty ) yesterday , gonna fill it with the ldap && /home server in the next few days
[08:32] <LaserJock> I was just going through the 7 page "Gutsy Gibbon" forum
[08:32] <ajmitch> imbrandon: nice
[08:32] <ajmitch> oh yes, I've been reading the crack
[08:33] <imbrandon> i havent touched the forum in weeks ( other than to complain at the CC meeting today about the ad's still on the forums )
[08:40] <imbrandon> ajmitch, it will probably only be like a 1ghz box with a gig of ram but it should be plenty to serve nfs /home and do ldap auth , plus it has 4 sata connections and 2 ide channels plus an open pci ( half height ) slot open for more sata controlers if needed , so lots of storage
[08:41] <imbrandon> hopefully when i put it in, i can also upgrade all the nic's to have gig-e too so nfs will be fast
[08:44] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:45] <imbrandon> then when thats all in place i think i will start hitting getting a amd64 up hard ( and possibly a faster ppc ), because all the other peices will be there
[08:45] <imbrandon> pieces*
[08:46] <joejaxx> hello all
[08:46] <joejaxx> :)
[08:46] <imbrandon> heya joejaxx 
[08:47] <joejaxx> how are you imbrandon 
[08:47] <joejaxx> wow this is ridiculous
[08:48] <joejaxx> one day i am going to turn off my laptop for a day
[08:48] <ajmitch> joejaxx: go for it
[08:48] <joejaxx> it has been on 7 consecutive days
[08:48] <joejaxx> ;)
[08:49] <ajmitch> only 7?
[08:49] <ajmitch> man, I've had 2-3 month uptimes on my laptop
[08:49] <\sh> k...rest of lucas php4 unmet deps uploaded...
[08:49] <ajmitch> without suspend/resume working
[08:49] <joejaxx> the bad thing is it has been running at 100% cpu and 82% ram used constantly lol
[08:50] <ajmitch> that's pretty silly
[08:50] <joejaxx> ajmitch: i used to do that with my nw8240
[08:50] <\sh> anyone else who needs a sponsor right before feisty release ? ,-)
[08:50] <ajmitch> \sh: sure :)
[08:51] <joejaxx> but i mostly ssh into everything :P
[08:51] <\sh> ajmitch: lol...you have the powers yourself
[08:51] <joejaxx> lol
[08:51] <ajmitch> \sh: oh no I mean sponsor with $$ :)
[08:52] <\sh> ajmitch: oh...this sponsor I could need for myself ,-)
[09:28] <\sh> oh wow...how nice...
[09:29] <\sh> I just received a very nice email from dktrkranz
[09:32] <ajmitch> yay
[09:41] <Lathiat> \sh: whos that? :)
[09:42] <Lathiat> i feel i've missed out on some awesome history here.. :)
[09:43] <\sh> Lathiat: he fixed some php4 unmet deps...and right now we finished this task (I uploaded most of them, and hobbsee and steve) now he is happy and he wants to apply for motuship, yay
[09:43] <Lathiat> oh, cool
[09:44] <StevenK> I don't think I'm qualified to say yes or no, just because I haven't seen enough of his work.
[09:46] <ajmitch> \sh: what else has he done?
[09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: not enough ;) but he will do more work for gutsy
[09:51] <\sh> but at least we are getting more people to work on universe 
[09:55] <RAOF> I hope to do more for Universe this cycle.
[09:55] <RAOF> Thinking of which, anyone else want to package Tao? :)
[09:55] <ajmitch> already done in debian, iirc
[09:55] <RAOF> Cool!  Must have been done since last I checked.  Unless I did a stupid search again :)
[09:56] <ajmitch> or it's not uploaded
[09:57] <RAOF> Yeah, packages.debian.org doesn't seem to know anything about Tao, at least.
[09:58] <RAOF> Or rather, it knows quite a lot about the Tao COBRA implementation, but nothing CIL :)
[10:01] <RAOF> Hm, the only Tao bug on wnpp seems to be by slomo.
[10:01] <RAOF> And a year and a day old :)
[10:01] <ajmitch> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mono/tao/trunk/debian/?rev=0&sc=0
[10:04] <RAOF> Hm, seems to be 1.3.0.  Maybe they'd like some help updating to the 2.0rc2 and 2.0 when it's released.
[10:04] <imbrandon> isnt ajmitch part of "they" ?
[10:04] <imbrandon> or just for ubuntu
[10:05] <RAOF> The control suggests it's slomo & someone else I don't reconginse :)
[10:07] <imbrandon> i should really get back into upstream mono hacking, i havent for almost 2 years now
[10:07] <ajmitch> imbrandon: TiNC
[10:07] <imbrandon> TiNC ?
[10:08] <imbrandon> The Internet Namespace Cooperative ?
[10:08] <jmg> doh
[10:08] <jmg> paypal ftl :(
[10:11] <imbrandon> ajmitch, wikipedia: TiNC refers to a "grey, antracite, black," form of film material produced by Micromy.
[10:12] <StevenK> There Is No Cabal
[10:12] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:12] <damko> good morning to all
[10:12] <StevenK> # TINC is an acronym for There Is No Cabal.
[10:12] <StevenK> # TINC also refers to the The (International) Noise Conspiracy.
[10:13] <StevenK> From wikipedia.
[10:13] <imbrandon> heh yea, i was looking at the small i
[10:13] <imbrandon> lol
[10:13] <ajmitch> like you should have to ask...
[10:17] <StevenK> What Cabal? TINC
[10:17] <superm1> imbrandon, yo any updates about the server?
[10:31] <StevenK> ajmitch: I was also proving I could find it on wikipedia. :-P
[10:41] <imbrandon> superm1, yea its comming, sorry man, they are being slow about getting the trunk run and stuff
[10:42] <superm1> imbrandon, just wanted to make sure you didnt forget :)
[10:42] <superm1> okay its late - i'm off to bed.  night
[10:42] <damko> [OT / FUN]  useful  (very useful indeed...) if u are planning to change the look of your house :-D http://www.xxxitchen.com/
[10:48] <imbrandon> uptime
[10:49] <StevenK>  00:00:00 up 0:00,  0 users,  load average: 80.12, 85.52, 82.13
[10:49] <imbrandon> lol
[11:08] <damko> in bash if I save a variable like A="123" and if rewrite A="4567" there is the possibility to find again A="123" from ram? I mean with the second assignment will I overwrite the first value? 
[11:21] <shawarma> damko: Consider it gone.
[11:22] <damko> shawarma: u mean that it's overwritten ?
[11:22] <shawarma> damko: You might be lucky to find it in /proc/kmem, but if you need to do that, you're doing something wrong. :-)
[11:23] <damko> I'm saving the password of a crypted fs during the mount-time and I would to be sure that the pwd can't be retireved in some way from the ram or whereelse
[11:23] <damko> s/retireved/retrieved
[11:26] <damko> [ fun]  tux droid : really amazing http://www.kysoh.com/index_html
[11:27] <enyc> Hrrm... I can use "minicom" to get ttyS0 no problem... I can use "wy60" program at the console along with ssh to connect to a ssh service too....  but I would like to know how to use wy60 on the local machine in combination with minicom (or something) in order to connect  to a wyse60-expecting-host on the ttyS0 port! ;-) suggestions appeciated!   ... where should I ask. ?
[11:42] <shawarma> damko: That would depend on bash internals. ie. does it reuse the space of a variable if possible, or does it just remove it from a linked list and put the space back in a pool.
[11:43] <damko> shawarma: is there a way to understand how it works for sure?
[11:44] <shawarma> damko: Look at the source.
[11:44] <damko> shawarma: u mean bash source ? :-( im not skilled enough 4 this
[11:44] <shawarma> damko: In any case, the only things that can look at the core of a process is root, a debugger and the process itself.
[11:45] <shawarma> damko: It's not much to worry about. It's not something you can solve in a shell script anyway.
[11:46] <damko> shawarma: i see. i'll do this.. i'll overwrite the variable .. hoping it's enough. thanks a lot for your support.
[12:07] <mq_> damko, you could exec the shell into a new shell (the same one) without the critical variable in memory ...
[12:32] <fdoving> anyone seen this: dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory
[12:32] <fdoving> and know what could be causing it? 
[12:32] <fdoving> it's a simple and clean cdbs package.
[12:33] <StevenK> You haven't built the package so debian/files doesn't contain .debs
[12:36] <damko> mq_: can u clarify?
[12:37] <mq_> damko, do you know exec statement ?
[12:37] <damko> yes
[12:37] <damko> i got .. i look around
[12:37] <mq_> so exec could erase any variable
[12:37] <mq_> ok
[12:37] <damko> mq_: thanks a lot
[12:38] <mq_> :-)
[12:38] <danirus> Hi all, there's a problem with svn-buildpackage, it also happens in Etch. svn-inject uses svn_load_dirs, but because a license problem this script has been remove from the etch version (and feisty).
[12:38] <danirus> there's a package to resolve the problem in testing: svn-load
[12:39] <danirus> does anybody hear about this before?
[12:43] <danirus> I've built svn-load locally to use it as a replacement for the svn_load_dirs, and apparently is working fine. What do you think about all this? Should be svn-add in feisty?
[12:44] <imbrandon> danirus, its less than 24 hours from release, a little late to add something to feisty, but you can target feisty+1 and possibly feisty-backports
[12:45] <danirus> Yes, it's a pity...
[12:56] <danirus> imbrandon: but is it possible to fix the problem after tomorrow, I mean, with Fesity released?
[12:58] <pochu> danirus: yes, in feisty-updates, or feisty-backports
[12:59] <pochu> !sru | danirus
[12:59] <ubotu> danirus: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[12:59] <pochu> !backports
[12:59] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[01:00] <ajmitch> night all
[01:01] <danirus> thanks pochu
[01:01] <pochu> night ajmitch
[01:01] <pochu> danirus: yw
[01:07] <Kaloz> is it normal that kqemu is at 1.3.0pre11 and qemu is at only 0.8.2 in feisty? :p
[01:15] <StevenK> Kaloz: Yes. kqemu and qemu are two completly seperate bits of software.
[01:16] <Kaloz> StevenK: this isn't true since qemu 0.9 :)
[01:16] <StevenK> Neither of which is in feisty
[01:16] <Kaloz> well, this is #ubuntu-motu and they are in universe
[01:17] <Kaloz> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kqemu/+bug/83539 says it should be synched already
[01:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 83539 in kqemu "Update to GPL'ed version 1.3.0pre11" [Wishlist,Fix released]  
[01:17] <siretart> Kaloz: feel free to work on updated qemu packages. I supposed they can be handled with syncs from debian
[01:18] <Kaloz> siretart: theoritically both kqemu and qemu has been synched
[01:18] <DktrKranz> even in debian they are single source packages
[01:19] <DktrKranz> debian currently ships 0.8.X
[01:19] <StevenK> Kaloz: Feisty is releasing in two days, give us a break
[01:19] <DktrKranz> 0.9.X series is still on experimental
[01:19] <Kaloz> StevenK: i'm not blaming/bitching, just found it weird and thought it's good to let you know about it :)
[01:21] <StevenK> Debian may well throw 0.9 to unstable in the next few weeks at which point Gutsy will get it automatically.
[01:21] <DktrKranz> bug 85605
[01:21] <ubotu> Malone bug 85605 in qemu "Please upgrade to 0.9.0" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85605
[01:22] <DktrKranz> this is request for inclusion, if you want you can subscribe in order to be aware of changes
[01:29] <imbrandon> also one can request somethng is synced from expirmental in some cases ( for gutsy )
[01:38] <DarkSun88> Hi
[01:46] <\sh> moins DktrKranz , DarkSun88 :)
[01:46] <DarkSun88> \sh: Hi, thank you for upload
[01:47] <DktrKranz> heya \sh :)
[01:47] <DarkSun88> :)
[01:47] <\sh> np...thx to you for your work :)
[01:48] <DktrKranz> well, if you have something in your to-do list, you have only to ping us
[01:48] <DktrKranz> and sorry for flooding your mailbox :P
[01:52] <DktrKranz> see you later
[01:52] <jmg> heh
[03:06] <\sh> flooding my mailbox? so you are the spammers with those "v1aGra" mails ,->
[03:08] <BugMaN> hi \sh ! :-)
[03:09] <\sh> hoi BugMaN
[03:09] <\sh> brb smoking
[03:32] <shawarma> Nice. I just smashed my irssi's uptime of 124 days. :-(
[03:57] <wardi> is this the channel for "please unblock" requests for packages in universe?
[03:58] <pochu> unblock?
[03:59] <wardi> allow a package into feisty
[03:59] <StevenK> At this point, it's not going to happen.
[03:59] <Jucato> have to wait for Gutsy now
[03:59] <wardi> ok then
[04:00] <pochu> wardi: all the repos are frozen now
[04:03] <wardi> do packages automatically move from debian testing to universe?
[04:03] <wardi> (when not frozen)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:04] <Hobbsee> well, unstable
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[04:07] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee, Nafallo, geser
[04:08] <pochu> hi bddebian
[04:09] <bddebian> Heya pochu
[04:44] <Hobbsee> well done guys - now the starting to prepare for gutsy :P
[04:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:46] <ScottK> If there's an easy way for me to get just those bugs on LP, I'll take a whack at some of it.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors/
[04:50] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Is there anything to do with ones like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/supertuxkart/+bug/83127 - I don't see a way to unsub UUS?
[04:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 83127 in supertuxkart ".desktop file missing" [Low,Fix released]  
[04:51] <Hobbsee> ScottK: dunno.  there are a whole heap of debian tasks there for them
[04:57] <Hobbsee> ScottK: just going thru them now
[05:15] <ScottK> Hobbsee: For virtually all the ones I've looked at, it looks to me like unsub UUS and leave it open is the right answer.  Unfortunately, I can't help with that.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah, that's hwat i found.  there were still some that were applicable, but very few
[05:16] <crimsun> we totally need to freeze the Ubuntu section on LP for release, too :-)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> that'd be good
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:37] <sacater> ScottK: thank you, i only just got back from school :D
[05:37] <sacater> im referring to the 'impressed by sacater' message
[05:39] <ScottK> Of course Hobbsee had no idea I'm as old as I am (in Ubuntu terms I'm ancient - over 40).
[05:39] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: its almost the 19th yay!
[05:39] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:39] <zul> Hobbsee: you like never ever sleep
[05:39] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: it's the 19th here!
[05:39] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: haha, yes
[05:39] <Jucato> timezones :)
[05:39] <jsgotangco> gimme the dl link gimme the dl link
[05:39] <Hobbsee> message from the future:  stop living in the past!  kthxbye!
[05:40] <Jucato> bddebian: I think I saw Hobbsee taking it :)
[05:40] <bddebian> heh
[05:40] <Hobbsee> i'd say that was jdong... he always seems to like such things..
[05:44] <Jucato> Hobbsee has DOOMed us all!!!
[05:44] <ScottK> No, just you.
[05:44] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:45] <crimsun> it'll like be the 20th in some region before 7.04 goes boom.
[05:45] <crimsun> likely, even
[05:45] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:45] <Jucato> most probably the 20th in Hobbsee's world
[05:45] <Jucato> part of the world, I mean
[05:46] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:46] <Hobbsee> IT'S ALL MY WORLD!
[05:46] <Hobbsee> :D
[05:46] <jsgotangco> pity to those who live way too far in the future
[05:53] <koke> hi guys! it's been a long time
[05:54] <pochu> heya koke, and welcome back :)
[05:55] <jsgotangco> yeah welcome back
[05:55] <koke> anyone going to Sevilla?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:55] <Hobbsee> hi koke 
[05:56] <koke> I'd like to go, but I'm on the US for the MySQL conference/vacation and I'll arrive at Spain one day before the Ubuntu conference
[05:56] <koke> so after 3 weeks travelling, it may be too much :)
[05:56] <Hobbsee> koke: bah.  just travel continually
[05:57] <\sh> dholbach / siretart: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2007-April/056062.html
[05:57] <\sh> dholbach: / siretart: and the following answers
[05:57] <\sh> and something more important: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2007-April/056080.html
[05:59] <dholbach> we have no facilities to automatically forward bugs
[06:00] <\sh> dholbach: don't care about that...apport is useless, winedbg is the choice ;) so normal business, pointing user towards winedbg...
[06:00] <dholbach> you wrote it in the mail
[06:01] <\sh> dholbach: it was an idea how to improve bughunting between us and them
[06:01] <jussi01> hello Motu's
[06:01] <jussi01> I have a small problem: Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[06:01] <jussi01>  signfile waon_0.8-0ubuntu1.dsc Jussi Schultink <jussi01@gmail.com>
[06:01] <jussi01> gpg: skipped "Jussi Schultink <jussi01@gmail.com>": secret key not available
[06:01] <jussi01> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[06:01] <jussi01> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[06:01] <jussi01> debuild: fatal error at line 1155:
[06:01] <\sh> dholbach: but dan kegels (last post) is more interessting
[06:01] <jussi01> running debsign failed
[06:01] <jussi01> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[06:01] <jussi01>  signfile waon_0.8-0ubuntu1.dsc Jussi Schultink <jussi01@gmail.com>
[06:01] <jussi01> gpg: skipped "Jussi Schultink <jussi01@gmail.com>": secret key not available
[06:01] <dholbach> but "can we dump our bugs on your bugtracker automatically" is nothing an upstream project will find inviting
[06:01] <jussi01> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[06:01] <jussi01> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[06:01] <jussi01> debuild: fatal error at line 1155:
[06:01] <Hobbsee> jussi01: does the secret key exist?
[06:01] <jussi01> running debsign failed
[06:01] <jussi01> oops
[06:02] <jussi01> sorry
[06:02] <jussi01> Hobbsee, yes
[06:02] <jdong> jussi01: gpg doesn't seem to agree :)
[06:02] <dholbach> having a good DebuggingWine page on the wiki will help
[06:02] <Hobbsee> are you specifying the correct key ID?
[06:02] <geser> jussi01: are you using seahorse and its agent?
[06:02] <dholbach> it's a good idea to add winedbg there
[06:02] <Hobbsee> i'd double check that it does exist, and that you're specifying the correct key, for a start.   then maybe scream
[06:02] <jdong> Hobbsee: screaming does wonders for GPG :)
[06:02] <jussi01> geser, seahorse?
[06:03] <jussi01> :D
[06:03] <\sh> dholbach: there is a possibility to set it up automatically in our wine packages (changing some wine registry settings)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> jdong: it does, yes :D
[06:03] <Hobbsee> jdong: does for a lot of things!
[06:03] <crimsun> screaming doesn't seem to help triage my bugs :/
[06:03] <\sh> dholbach: winedbg just jumps into win api mode, and can interpret windows stuff which is deep inside wine and outside linux 
[06:04] <ScottK> crimsun: it does get my children to behave (at least for a little while).
[06:04] <\sh> crimsun: use wine ,-)
[06:04] <dholbach> \sh: everything that helps to figure out what goes wrong is a good start
[06:04] <geser> jussi01: seahorse is a graphical frontend to gpg
[06:04] <micahcowan> Hobbsee, sorry about u-u-s on that silly gawk bug... *'_'*
[06:04] <\sh> dholbach: any possibility to switch off apport for wine?
[06:04] <jussi01> geser, no, im not using that
[06:05] <\sh> dholbach: or for any other app in general? (just curious)
[06:05] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: no problem.  you may want to subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors on that, assuming it still exists.  or ask a main developer directly
[06:05] <dholbach> \sh: apport is turned off now
[06:05] <jussi01> i just did  debuild -S -sa
[06:05] <geser> jussi01: manually signing a file with gpg works?
[06:05] <\sh> dholbach: for release version yes, but even for development versions?
[06:05] <micahcowan> Ooh, does that exist? Cool. I was gonna do the "ask a main developer" thing, but as it wasn't crucial I wanted to wait until the feisty fervor was through.
[06:06] <dholbach> \sh: ask pitti
[06:06] <\sh> I'll ask pitti ... I think he aeh yeah ;)
[06:06] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: yeah, they wont upload such things until merges are done for gutsy, by now...
[06:07] <\sh> ok..shutting down for now
[06:08] <micahcowan> Hobbsee, done, tyvm! :)
[06:08] <jussi01> yeah, key definately exists
[06:09] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: :) no problem
[06:09] <jdong> jussi01: pastebin gpg -K
[06:11] <jussi01> jdong, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16265/
[06:12] <jdong> jussi01: what's default-key set to in gpg.conf?
[06:13] <jdong> you should have it set to B3E95E3D
[06:14] <jussi01> jdong, where is gpg.conf located
[06:14] <jdong> ~/.gnupg/
[06:14] <geser> jussi01: does "debsign -K0xB3E95E3D waon_0.8-0ubuntu1.dsc" work?
[06:15] <jussi01> heh, jdong I dont have that file...
[06:15] <jdong> you don't have a gpg.conf?
[06:15] <jussi01> no....
[06:15] <jdong> interesting
[06:15] <jussi01> weird
[06:15] <jdong> well add default-key YOUR_ID to it
[06:18] <jussi01> jdong, doesnt help
[06:18] <Hobbsee> you can do that in .bashrc too
[06:18] <jdong> jussi01: try geser's command...
[06:19] <jdong> if that works then you can set DEBSIGN_KEYID in .bashrc or .devscripts.conf
[06:19] <jdong> well I'm off...
[06:20] <jussi01> geser, it gives me an unrecognised option....
[06:21] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you want GPGKEY=7D2BCE85
[06:21] <Hobbsee> or your iD
[06:22] <jussi01> Hobbsee, where, sorry?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> in .bashrc
[06:22] <Hobbsee> no idea about anywhere else, that's just where i put mine
[06:22] <Hobbsee> along with DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME, iirc
[06:22] <geser> jussi01: it's a small k instead of K
[06:22] <geser> debsign -k0xB3E95E3D waon_0.8-0ubuntu1.dsc
[06:23] <jussi01> yeah, that works
[06:26] <geser> I guess it's the missing comment from your key in the changelog
[06:28] <jussi01> ?
[06:28] <geser> so either including your comment (as show in your key) to your name in changelogs or set DEBSIGN_KEYID=0xB3E95E3D
[06:29] <jussi01> ahhah...
[06:29] <geser> jussi01: use "Jussi Schultink (jussi01) <jussi01@gmail.com>" as your name + email in changelogs
[06:30] <jussi01> geser, thanks,it works now!!!
[06:30] <jussi01> :D
[06:35] <jussi01> what the correct naming convention if its the first release? iv currently got: waon0.8-0ubuntu1
[06:36] <jussi01> or rather waon (0.8-0ubuntu1) in changelog
[06:39] <jussi01> and motu is dead...
[06:39] <Hobbsee> jussi01: that's correct
[06:40] <jussi01> excellent!!
[06:40] <jussi01> :D
[06:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:47] <jussi01> ok, I remember I had to change something with dput to upload to universe instead main... can someone remind me what?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> !revu
[06:49] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[06:49] <Hobbsee> jussi01: use dput revu *.changes or change your dput.cf for the default host
[06:50] <jussi01> thanks Hobbsee 
[06:50] <Hobbsee> no problem
[06:51] <jussi01> Hobbsee, I was thinking of going for membership soon, do you think I have done enough?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> jussi01: um, would expect so.  i'd have to see your wiki page though :)
[06:52] <jussi01> Hobbsee, It doesnt really exist yet, I have to work on that...
[06:52] <jussi01> :P
[06:52] <Hobbsee> jussi01: haha, yes, that'd help
[06:54] <geser> Hi LaserJock
[06:55] <LaserJock> hi geser, thanks for the email
[06:55] <LaserJock> it'll be up shortly
[06:56] <geser> LaserJock: no hurry
[07:13] <sacater> LaserJock: did i thank you for the help in CC
[07:14] <LaserJock> I think so
[07:16] <sacater> i say again :D
[07:16] <sacater> ajmitch: you too
[07:19] <LaserJock> don't cry jussi01, it'll be ok
[07:20] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:20] <jussi01> LaserJock, my package isnt there
[07:20] <jussi01> :(
[07:20] <jussi01> (revu)
[07:20] <LaserJock> jussi01: what's the name of the package?
[07:20] <jussi01> waon
[07:21] <LaserJock> ok, it's in the rejected queue
[07:21] <jussi01> grr, why?
[07:22] <LaserJock> jussi01: it doesn't see you in the keyring
[07:23] <jussi01> argh, gpg key changed...
[07:23] <LaserJock> when?
[07:23] <jussi01> today
[07:24] <LaserJock> and Launchpad has got the new key
[07:24] <LaserJock> ?
[07:24] <jussi01> how do i fix it?
[07:24] <jussi01> yeah
[07:24] <jussi01> launchpad has it
[07:24] <ScottK> Is it on purpose that I can't comment on other people's uploads any more because I am a mere contributor and not a MOTU?
[07:24] <ScottK> This is on REVU, sorry
[07:25] <LaserJock> jussi01: was this in just the last few hours?
[07:25] <jussi01> yes
[07:25] <LaserJock> heh
[07:25] <LaserJock> gotta stop switching keys on us ;-)
[07:25] <jussi01> hey, its the first time...
[07:26] <jussi01> I lost the other one when i formatted...
[07:26] <ScottK> bug: #107530
[07:26] <LaserJock> just gotta give you a hard time
[07:26] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:26] <jussi01> lol
[07:26] <ScottK> So if we just make the error messages less cryptic, for Bug: #107530, that counts as a fix, right?
[07:26] <LaserJock> ScottK: yes, non-reviewers can only comment on their own uploads
[07:27] <ScottK> OK.  As long as it's on purpose and not by accident.
[07:27] <ScottK> LaserJock: It might be useful to make a "MOTU Hopeful" catagory that can comment, but not upload so you MOTUs can get a feel for how they review packages.
[07:28] <LaserJock> yeah, we've debated that in the past
[07:28] <highvoltage> LaserJock: have you seen the new Mr Bean movie yet?
[07:28] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[07:28] <ScottK> The changelog for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4834 needs to be reworked since it was never uploaded.  Maybe someone would comment....
[07:28] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I suggest you do. I think you'll relate well to it.
[07:29] <jussi01> LaserJock, so what do i need to do? wait?
[07:29] <LaserJock> I haven't watched much TV/movies lately
[07:29] <highvoltage> LaserJock: Mr bean loses his wallet in Paris, close to where you lost yours!
[07:29] <LaserJock> makes the upcoming Golden Ponies a bit more difficult
[07:29] <LaserJock> highvoltage: haha, I'll have to get it
[07:29] <LaserJock> jussi01: I'm syncing the keyring now, I'll let you know when it's ready
[07:30] <jussi01> LaserJock, thanks a lot!!
[07:30] <jussi01> :D
[07:30] <Hobbsee> yay, ponies!
[07:30] <LaserJock> yes, yes, it's time for a pony fix soon
[07:30] <jussi01> ponies?
[07:31] <LaserJock> ScottK: I don't think less cryptic error messages count as a fix there
[07:31] <highvoltage> yes, pink ponies.
[07:31] <LaserJock> nah, it's all about the Golden Ponies ;-)
[07:31] <jussi01> golden ponies? pinkponies? what are you on?
[07:32] <gouki> heheh
[07:32] <LaserJock> PONIES!
[07:32] <jussi01> :P
[07:32] <Hobbsee> this.  it's great stuff.  :D
[07:32] <ScottK> But not the changelog comments...
[07:32] <jussi01> nihgt Hobbsee 
[07:32] <ScottK> Good night Hobbsee
[07:32] <highvoltage> goodnight hoora_ 
[07:32] <LaserJock> jussi01: http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2006/10/27/the-golden-ponies/
[07:32] <highvoltage> hoora_: sorry, meant to say hobbsee
[07:33] <jussi01> LaserJock, :D:D:D:D
[07:33] <LaserJock> ScottK: I don't think it necessarily has to be changed
[07:33] <ScottK> No?
[07:34] <ScottK> OK.
[07:34] <LaserJock> well, the changelog really only tells you what the target release was when that version was made
[07:34] <LaserJock> not that it actually made it into that release
[07:35] <ScottK> Makes sense.
[07:35] <ScottK> Of course if I could comment, I could pimp my get it into Debian (which isn't frozen at the moment) wiki page... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/PythonModulesTeam
[07:35] <LaserJock> I would, however, recommend squeezing it down to ubuntu1
[07:36] <LaserJock> ScottK: well, pastebin the text you want and I'll post it
[07:37] <jussi01> is there a tool that allows wsiwyg editing of wikipages?
[07:37] <LaserJock> not that I know of
[07:38] <LaserJock> newer versions of Moin have a wysiwyg editor
[07:38] <LaserJock> but ours doesn't
[07:38] <ScottK> LaserJock: Something like this maybe http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16279/
[07:41] <LaserJock> ScottK: done
[07:42] <jussi01> LaserJock, I propose http://www.gocollect.com/images/PaintedPonies/200/12344.jpg for the golden pony award! :P
[07:42] <ScottK> LaserJock: Thanks.
[07:43] <LaserJock> jussi01: that is pretty good
[07:43] <jussi01> :D
[07:44] <jussi01> LaserJock, how is the sync going?
[07:50] <LaserJock> jussi01: oh sorry, I forgot about it
[07:50] <jussi01> heh...
[07:51] <LaserJock> ok, should be ready to try again
[07:51] <jussi01> ok
[07:51] <LaserJock> I cleared out your other package
[07:51] <jussi01> ok
[07:54] <jussi01> LaserJock, I tried again, is it now in the que?
[07:57] <jussi01> yay its there :D
[08:23] <LaserJock> ok, just waiting for planet to sync :-)
[08:25] <zul> hey laserjock
[08:26] <jussi01> LaserJock, any chance you could have a look at and give me some feed back on that package?
[08:27] <jussi01> grr, why doesnt my apache2 work...
[08:30] <ScottK> jussi01: What's the link on REVU?  I
[08:30] <ScottK> I'll have a look
[08:32] <jussi01> ScottK, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4835
[08:34] <ScottK> You'll need to change the release to gutsy in changelog
[08:37] <ScottK> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField for what you need to do with Maintainer in control.
[08:37] <jussi01> ScottK, yeah, I know, it complained though
[08:37] <ScottK> Don't worry.
[08:37] <ScottK> It'll get over it.
[08:37] <ScottK> Why priority extra?
[08:38] <ScottK> The long description should not all be one long line. It should have hard carriage returns and no line over 80 chars
[08:39] <ScottK> In debian/copyright you should (but are not actually required to) have a statement at the bottom about the copyright of the Debian packaging (you as copyright holder).
[08:40] <ScottK> Nevermind on that last one.
[08:40] <ScottK> I misread.
[08:40] <jussi01> lol
[08:41] <ScottK> For copyright you want to have the GPL header, the ref to /usr/share/common-licensese, and then the debian copyright bit.
[08:43] <ScottK> I'm not sure you need debian/dirs.  Not sure you don't.
[08:43] <jussi01> ok
[08:43] <ScottK> That's all I got.
[08:43] <ScottK> Why priority extra and not optional?
[08:44] <jussi01> excellent!! :D
[08:45] <jussi01> ScottK, priority extra cause it was the default...
[08:45] <ScottK> Ah.  Unless you are depending on something that is in extra, it can be optional.
[08:45] <LaserJock> jussi01: you might want to check up on the Debian policy about that :-)
[08:46] <jussi01> ok
[08:46] <ScottK> What LaserJock said...
[08:47] <LaserJock> jussi01: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities
[08:49] <sharms> LaserJock: woo desktop screenshot!
[08:49] <LaserJock> sharms: just for you ;-)
[09:38] <jussi01> dholbach, ping?
[09:39] <dqdev> hello all
[09:39] <jussi01> dqdev, hi
[09:41] <jussi01> dqdev,  wb
[09:44] <dholbach> jussi01: pong
[09:44] <dqdev> ping
[09:44] <jussi01> dholbach, could you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4835
[09:45] <jussi01> dholbach, my newest backup
[09:45] <jussi01> grr, package...
[09:45] <jussi01> im backing up right now...
[09:45] <jussi01> mind wonders..
[09:45] <dholbach> jussi01: i'm quite busy and will call it a day in a bit
[09:45] <dholbach> can you drop me a mail with the link to the package?
[09:46] <jussi01> dholbach, ok, sure
[09:46] <dholbach> so I'll look at it soon
[09:46] <dholbach> but not now
[09:46] <dholbach> ok super
[09:47] <jussi01> dholbach, on you ubuntu acount
[09:47] <jussi01> :D
[09:48] <dholbach> dholbach at ubuntu dot com
[09:48] <jussi01> dholbach, its there already...
[09:48] <dholbach> ok great
[09:49] <jussi01> ie. daniel dot holbach at ubuntu dot com
[09:49] <jussi01> dholbach, that will get to you?
[09:50] <dholbach> that's fine too
[09:50] <jussi01> good :D
[09:51] <LaserJock> dholbach: I added Behind MOTU to planet, if you hadn't noticed
[09:52] <dholbach> super
[09:52] <dholbach> yeah I just noticed it
[09:52] <pochu> LaserJock: what about what you said yesterday? :)
[09:52] <LaserJock> what did I say yesterday?
     well, we are trying to not have any non-personal  blogs on planet so I don't want to add to the problem
[09:53] <pochu> That's it ;)
[09:53] <LaserJock> yes
[09:54] <LaserJock> well, I decided that since the whole point of the blog is people
[09:54] <LaserJock> and that I can keep the noise down (only 1 post / week or so)
[09:54] <LaserJock> that I won't be adding to the problem
[09:54] <pochu> Note that I don't care you've added it. That means one less feed :)
[09:55] <LaserJock> if people complain about it I'm happy to remove it, but I think it'll be alright
[09:55] <pochu> I prefer it there :)
[09:55] <LaserJock> I think the subject matter justifies it :-)
 LaserJock: lol :) Can you add behindmotu to the planet? It's really interesting
[09:55] <pochu> :)
[09:56] <pochu> I think the planet should have more Ubuntu-related posts
[09:56] <LaserJock> ah, I forgot that was you
[09:56] <pochu> Or even better... less non-related posts :)
[09:56] <LaserJock> well, it's a tough thing, IMO
[09:56] <LaserJock> is Planet supposed to just aggregate the blogs of Ubuntu people
[09:56] <pochu> would it be possible / a good idea to make people to add a "ubuntu" category, instead of the entire blog?
[09:57] <LaserJock> or is it a tool for which we talk about Ubuntu
[09:57] <LaserJock> pochu: that's what I do
[09:57] <pochu> That's the best thing, IMHO :)
[09:57] <LaserJock> opps, gotta run
[09:57] <LaserJock> time to proctor an exam
[09:57] <pochu> Laser_away: have fun!
[09:58] <pochu> :)
[10:19] <bddebian> Did he say he has a proctology exam? :-)
[10:23] <steven_B> I have a few questions about package names and putting them in Universe.
[10:24] <bddebian> steven_B: Shoot
[10:24] <steven_B> Myself and some others are working on reviving the planetpenguin racer project.
[10:24] <bddebian> Cool
[10:25] <steven_B> Is it ok to continue using the planetpengin-racer name in Ubuntu?
[10:25] <geser> is it an update version of the current packages?
[10:25] <bddebian> Hrm.  Are you forking or helping with the existing package?
[10:26] <steven_B> the existing project seems to be dead.
[10:26] <bddebian> If you are creating a new package based on their codebase, you should call it something else
[10:26] <ScottK> Find someone from the old project and get them to say they pass the project to you...
[10:26] <bddebian> Unless the current author gives you rights to the "project"
[10:27] <steven_B> ok.
[10:28] <steven_B> when do packages have to be ready to go into feisty +1?
[10:29] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[10:29] <steven_B> also, should I submit the package(s) to Ubuntu, Debian, or both?
[10:29] <geser> somewhen after the archive is open and before NewPackageFreeze
[10:30] <geser> if you can get them into Debian than go this way and file sync request then
[10:30] <ScottK> If you can get it into Debian, that would be a good thing.
[10:30] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/
[10:31] <YokoZar> hmm
[10:32] <YokoZar> I just became an Ubuntu member, but am getting "This nickname is owned by someone else" 
[10:32] <YokoZar> I don't remember putting a password on it
[10:33] <pochu> YokoZar: do you mean in the irc?
[10:33] <YokoZar> Yeah
[10:33] <steven_B> thanks for the links - so I would submit it to both Debian and Ubuntu near the same time?
[10:34] <pochu> YokoZar: try /ns info YokoZar
[10:34] <YokoZar> /ns info YokoZar
[10:34] <pochu> YokoZar: it was registered 2 years ago
[10:34] <YokoZar> err that shouldn't output as text...
[10:35] <YokoZar> Well hell, maybe I did
[10:35] <pochu> YokoZar: I think by yourself ;) (scott, right?)
[10:35] <YokoZar> Yeah :)
[10:37] <ScottK> I haven't logged of and back in since I became a member, so I don't know.
[10:48] <somerville32> ScottK, Did you become a member yesterday?
[10:50] <ScottK> Yes
[10:50] <sacater> lucky
[10:51] <sacater> ive got to wait 2 months :P
[10:51] <sacater> and keep up my devotion :P
[10:51] <sacater> which is easy!
[10:52] <somerville32> ScottK, Awesome. I had to leave after I finished with my item on the agenda but I made sure to let them know my +1
[10:52] <ScottK> Thanks.  Thanks for your support.
[10:53] <somerville32> np - You deserve it.
[11:02] <ScottK> Laser_away: From the svn commit log of the Debian Python Modules Team - * r2123 /packages/pylirc/ (11 files in 5 dirs): Initial release for pylirc Thanks!
[11:53] <superm1> whats the stance on creating a DEBIAN/copyright for an artwork package?
[11:53] <superm1> with undefined licensing?
[11:59] <ScottK> superm1: If it's not licensed or clearly public domain, then it's not distributable.
[11:59] <ajmitch> morning
[11:59] <ScottK> Morning
[11:59] <geser> Hi ajmitch
[11:59] <superm1> ScottK, well they are listed across on a wiki page for explicit redistribution, but just no license associated
[11:59] <superm1> so clearly public domain
[12:00] <ScottK> What's the page?
[12:00] <superm1> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes
[12:00] <ajmitch> geser: famous again, I see
[12:00] <superm1> i'm doing the user contributed themes into a mythtv-themes-unofficial
[12:00] <superm1> or at least some of them
[12:01] <superm1> and i know the Syth-* themes are GPL by the license with them.  blootube i know is GPL ( just contacted author to verify)
[12:01] <superm1> but the others i'm not positive about
[12:01] <ScottK> superm1: I don't see anything that gives you permission to copy those.
[12:02] <superm1> ScottK, is explicit permission from the author sufficient then?
[12:02] <ScottK> That's ultimately up to the archive admins.
[12:02] <superm1> well i'll have some emails to shoot off then :)
[12:02] <jmg> ScottK: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myththemes/COPYING
[12:03] <superm1> jmg, those are the official ones.
[12:03] <superm1> jmg, the "User Contributed" section below are the ones in question
[12:03] <jmg> there's no link to download the User Contributed themes there
[12:03] <superm1> on the link i posted above to the wiki page (not from svn)
[12:04] <jmg> except for Retro, which has a link to an external site that explicity says Released under the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE.
[12:07] <jmg> (http://www.aldorf.no/mythtv/)
[12:07] <superm1> jmg, we already have a package including Retro.  
[12:08] <ScottK> jmg: Ones with solid links to licensing info like that are much better licensing wise than just an e-mail from the author.
[12:08] <superm1> the new package would include the Syth* Elkin-wide, MythTV Media Center, blootube*,Isthmusblue, 
[12:08] <jmg> i think it would be acceptable to have a third party .deb, but unless explicitly licensed by the author it cant be included in the archive
[12:08] <ScottK> jmg: Sorry, pointed at the wrong person.
[12:09] <superm1> ScottK, i'll contact the authors and see the licensing.  If they say GPL, i'll ask to add GPL blurbs to their sites
[12:09] <superm1> anything non-gpl, i'll just leave out
[12:09] <jmg> http://lifeisnostorybook.com/node/143 is gpl
[12:11] <ScottK> superm1: The way I think about it is every time the archive admins put something in that's not clearly licensed, they are risking Ubuntu.  The clearer you can get it, the lower the risk.
[12:11] <superm1> ScottK, thats a very good way to think about it