[12:39] <knix_> alright, i upgraded my dapper server to edgy then to feisty.  On reboot after upgrade my server hangs on running local boot scripts etc/rc.local    any thougts?
[12:54] <notapsychic> knix_: what did you do to upgrade to feisty?
[12:54] <knix_> ya i went to edgy then to feisty
[12:56] <knix_> and now my vmware image is corrupt and I cant revert back.  Not my day, heehee
[12:59] <mralphabet> my question was "what did you do to upgrade to feisty", as in did you just update the sources list or did you follow the recommended upgrade procedure from edgy to feisty
[01:01] <knix_> I did the same thing from dapper to edgy to feisty, I followed this - Now you need to update the source list using the following command
[01:01] <knix_> sudo apt-get update
[01:01] <knix_> Upgrade using the following command
[01:01] <knix_> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:01] <knix_> Double check your process was finished properly using the following commd
[01:01] <knix_> sudo apt-get -f install
[01:01] <knix_> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:01] <knix_> Now you need to Reboot your machine to take your new ubuntu 7.04 installation to effect all changes.
[01:02] <knix_> so from dap to edge, i replace edgy in sources, and to feisty, I replaced to feisty in sources
[01:03] <mralphabet> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/upgrade-ubuntu-610-edgy-eft-to-ubuntu-704-feisty-fawn.html
[01:05] <knix_> yes, i didt that
[01:05] <knix_> i am on the reboot part, but it hangs after that reboot
[01:08] <mralphabet> for edgy to feisty that's not actually the recommended way
[01:08] <mralphabet> there's an updated tool for feisty
[01:08] <mralphabet> I'm finding it
[01:09] <knix_> gty
[01:09] <knix_> ty
[01:13] <mralphabet> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[01:16] <knix_> mralphabet, i am using the headless server so update manager -d wont work in this situation.  I was upgrading my headless dapper server to edgy, then to feisty
[01:17] <mstrzele> hi all, what is the preffered way in Ubuntu to run iptables on startup? making bash script or iptables-save/restore in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:17] <Nafallo> knix_: what? you do want do-release-upgrade, no?
[01:17] <mralphabet> knix_: I am using a headless server as well, and update-manager -d is a command line app
[01:18] <knix_> Nafallo, it's not that.  I upgraded to feisty, and now hangs and wont go any further.  My revert image for vmware is corrupt or something like that.  so I am at a "very big and thorny brick wall"
[01:19] <Nafallo> knix_: wonderful
[01:19] <knix_> mralphabet, funny thing is that before I did the upgrade I took a snapshot of it
[01:19] <Nafallo> knix_: why does it hang? and where? :-)
[01:19] <knix_> Nafallo, it hangs at the local boot scripts
[01:19] <Nafallo> mralphabet: is it?
[01:19] <Nafallo> knix_: S99 then... odd
[01:20] <knix_> yup, there goes all my data.   :(
[01:20] <Nafallo> mralphabet: in my feisty update-manager-core contains do-release-upgrade anyway. and no update-manager bin.
[01:21] <knix_> am I screwed ?
[01:26] <mralphabet> knix_: it's not something I have troubleshot personally, I have no insight for you
[01:27] <knix_> mralphabet, no prob.  this is how I learn, by messing up.. Ty anyway
[02:32] <Chi_0> Hello all
[02:35] <Burgundavia> hello
[02:36] <Chi_0> can point me in the right direction?
[02:37] <Chi_0> I want to setup a small lamp server should i use the new release on the 19th or just use dapper
[02:41] <Burgundavia> well, it depends on how long you need to support it for
[02:42] <Burgundavia> if you are comfortable updating it every 6 months, go with Feisty
[02:42] <Burgundavia> if not, go with dapper
[02:43] <Chi_0> i was thinking of going that way b\c it's been out for a while and lots of peeps use it now and if i do need support their are places to find it
[02:44] <Chi_0> but will the new release have any features that i can't get in dapper
[02:45] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:45] <Chi_0> anything big?
[02:45] <Chi_0> or would be good for a home server?
[02:46] <Burgundavia> depends entirely on your needs
[02:46] <Burgundavia> what are you trying to do
[02:46] <Burgundavia> ?
[02:46] <Chi_0> well test a site locally and share media 
[02:50] <Chi_0> is dapper setup like a lamp by default?
[02:51] <Burgundavia> dapper does have that option, yes
[02:52] <mralphabet> there's straight server which is barebones, there is LAMP and there is DNS
[02:52] <mralphabet> LAMP and DNS have appropriate packages / services installed
[02:52] <mralphabet> barebones has no services enabled, you can however install whatever you want
[02:52] <Chi_0> ok b\c i have a option to install to hard disk and lamp.
[02:53] <Chi_0> so i should start w/ lamp to make it easy right?
[02:54] <Chi_0> then add services form their
[04:57] <malder> Is there any good reason my server would all of the sudden reject my admin account's password or is this something I should be worried about?
[10:35] <dballester> good morning/afternoon/evening or night to all ;)
[10:40] <ivoks> hi
[10:41] <dballester> ops... ext2online is not on ubuntu-server ?
[10:42] <ivoks> resize online? :)
[10:42] <ivoks> that's redhat's tool
[10:42] <ivoks> iirc
[10:42] <dballester> no
[10:43] <dballester> ext2online is used by redhat, but not liomited only to this ditribution
[10:43] <shawarma> dballester: The description for package ext2resize says it does online resizeing as well.
[10:43] <dballester> http://ext2resize.sourceforge.net/online.html
[10:44] <shawarma> It also says "Online resizing support was added to the linux kernel in version 2.6.10"
[10:44] <ivoks> there you go :)
[10:44] <shawarma> So it appears there's kernel support as well.
[10:44] <dballester> seems to be the samed tool with different names
[10:44] <ivoks> probably redhat repacked it...
[10:45] <shawarma> I use xfs. It's been doing it since forever.
[10:45] <ivoks> i know they had big "we can now do this" in their release notes for 4 series
[10:46] <dballester> ivoks, surelly, in fact RedHat supports a very limited number of filesystems
[10:46] <ivoks> i know
[10:48] <dballester> well, I hope that ext2resize handles ext3 journaling, I've expanded a lv from 100MB to 100GB :) time to test how ext2resize do his job ;)
[10:50] <dballester> mmmhhh... supoorts shrinking... well done :)
[10:54] <dballester> in fact, installing ext2resize package install ext2online too
[10:55] <dballester> it's a link :)
[10:56] <dballester> nope, are different apps but I think that are the same one
[10:58] <dballester> :/ not working very well...
[11:02] <dballester> ext2resize is not able  to work with ext3 
[11:03] <dballester> and ext2online detects new size correctly, but is unable to expand filesystem accordingly :/
[11:05] <Nafallo> resize2fs isn't good enough? :-)
[11:05] <ajmitch> resize2fs is the suggested tool to use
[11:06] <ajmitch> supports online expansion
[11:06] <Nafallo> ajmitch: kewl! didn't know it did :-)
[11:06] <ajmitch> just read its manpage
[11:06] <dballester> seems that resize2fs is doing the job well
[11:06] <ivoks> newsflash: ODF just became standard office document in croatia
[11:07] <ajmitch> ivoks: excellent
[11:07] <Nafallo> awesome! :-)
[11:07] <ivoks> yeah :)
[11:07] <ivoks> PDF and ODF are standards, everything else is bonus :)
[11:07] <dballester> immo, ext2online and ext2resize should be deprecated, confuses the user ( me :) )
[11:08] <ajmitch> well it is in universe
[11:09] <dballester> ajmitch, yes, and i had it installed, but if you search in the net for info about online resizing ext3 a lot of info points to ext2online app
[11:10] <dballester> then, your first intention is use ext2online
[11:13] <ivoks> cause redhat is most used OS on systems that need something like this
[11:13] <ivoks> ext2online was their big announcement...
[11:14] <ivoks> i guess it's their work, since they had it in 2.6.9 kernel
[11:14] <dballester> yes
[11:15] <dballester> time to make a new entry with a testcase in the blog, now that i've time and the resources ;)
[11:21] <dballester> ouch : resize2fs: Argumento invlido While trying to add group #8224
[11:30] <dballester> :/ time to dive into resize2fs source code :( google not helped this time
[11:58] <dballester> mmmhh... i was using generic kernel, before creating a bug in launchpad i will try first to use server kernel package
[12:19] <fabbione> dballester: you can use a very simple trick for that
[12:19] <fabbione> just temporary disable journals and resize.. then re-enable
[12:20] <dballester> fabbione, tried it with the filesystem umounted with same result
[12:21] <dballester> may be is a ext3 limitation ? curiously stopped when filesystem was 65318330 and i get EXT3-fs warning (device dm-10): verify_reserved_gdb: reserved GDT 259 missing grp 1 (8451)
[12:22] <dballester> i'm trying to know exactly what is saying ;)
[12:22] <dballester> but a lot of info to read about ext3 :/
[12:25] <dballester> disabling journaling was something like tune2fs ^O journal ? don't remember well
[12:26] <dballester> tune2fs ^Ohas_journal
[12:28] <dballester> tune2fs -O ^has_journal <- correct
[12:32] <dballester> fabbione, i've disabled journaling and now executing e2fsck -f  prior resize2fs
[01:37] <dballester> hi again
[01:38] <dballester> seems that today is "problems vs. dballester" and by now the counter is 2 -0 :/
[01:40] <dballester> attached a 800 firewire disk ( Western Digital MyBook Pro Edition II ) and after few seconds I get   a lot of 2:0:1:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
[01:40] <dballester> and disk 'shutdowns'
[01:41] <dballester> I will try this disk in my ubuntu desktop with firewire 400 ( under usb 2 the disk goes well )
[01:49] <dballester> mmmhhh
[01:50] <dballester> if doing lsmod | grep spb2 I get
[01:50] <dballester> sbp2                   36616  6 
[01:51] <dballester> iirc sbp2 is not being used by any other module, isn't it?
[03:38] <newtokubuntu> I have a question. I changed my MOTD. BUt when i reboot its not there anymore
[03:38] <newtokubuntu> any reason why?
[03:40] <mralphabet> on an ubuntu server?
[03:40] <newtokubuntu> Yes
[03:43] <newtokubuntu> wtf i change it and it doesnt work
[04:00] <AlexC_> Hey
[04:01] <mralphabet> newtokubuntu: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+motd
[04:01] <AlexC_> before installing Webmin, do I have to install Apache etc first? or will Webmin also install that?
[04:01] <mralphabet> webmin really isn't recommended
[04:03] <AlexC_> mralphabet: do you have any reccomendation on a control panel I can use?
[04:04] <AlexC_> ISPconfig?
[04:04] <dballester> mralphabet, why do you say that webmin is not recommended ?
[04:05] <AlexC_> well it has been removed from the repos, and it's pretty damm confusing I'd say
[04:05] <Nafallo> dballester: because it's not :-)
[04:06] <dballester> mmmhhh.. this answers reminds me aswers typo redmon guys :P
[04:06] <dballester> ;)
[04:06] <AlexC_> shall I got for ISPconfig then?
[04:06] <AlexC_> s/got/go
[04:08] <mralphabet> because it requires root access
[04:09] <mralphabet> the default install is not very secure and has a fair amount of options that are not "ubuntu friendly"
[04:09] <AlexC_> or human friendly
[04:10] <mralphabet> it's a topic of discussion, but those further up the food chain then I don't like it
[04:10] <AlexC_> mralphabet: which would you suggest then?
[04:11] <AlexC_> it doesn't have to be open-source, though ... would be good if it was, how about ServerCP?
[04:12] <dballester> thanks for the info mralphabet 
[04:12] <mralphabet> AlexC_: I don't have a recommendation ;( I don't use control panels
[04:13] <AlexC_> ah I see, if I was hosting one site I wouldn't use one, however .... my users will want a panel,
[04:13] <AlexC_> ServerCP seems quite nice, I may go with that
[04:13] <mralphabet> dballester: if you google for ubuntu + webmin you will come across many of the discussions for and against
[04:13] <dballester> ok ;)
[04:14] <dballester> need to reboot dns server :/ see you in few minutes
[04:14] <mralphabet> dballester: for me, the arguements against hold more weight as the arguements for are usually "it's so easy to use!"
[04:14] <dballester> agree
[04:14] <dballester> ;)
[04:42] <newtokubuntu> I found out that MOTD issue
[04:43] <newtokubuntu> ubuntu does it diffrent
[04:43] <newtokubuntu> tails off 2 files
[06:10] <newtokubuntu> anyone know how hard it is to get mail server up and running. And if so , it always asked me for the server cd... anyway to have those files installed localy?
[06:12] <ivoks> easy
[06:12] <newtokubuntu> can i get those cd files installed local so it doesnt ask for the cd?
[06:13] <ivoks> yes sudo find /media/cdrom -name *.deb -exec cp {} /var/cache/apt/archives \;
[06:13] <ivoks> my bad
[06:14] <ivoks> sudo find /media/cdrom -name \*.deb -exec cp {} /var/cache/apt/archives \;
[06:28] <newtokubuntu> what sucks... 
[06:28] <newtokubuntu> not in my cd drive and im remote :)
[06:28] <mralphabet> newtokubuntu: take the cd drive out of the sources list
[09:57] <n00t2> anyone have experience with installing from the 6.06 (dapper) cd to a software RAID 5 setup?
[09:57] <n00t2> using the disk to create the software RAID 5?
[09:59] <n00t2> feel free to msg me when you get back from AFK >_<
[10:16] <ratshell> Hi all
[10:30] <n00t2> welcome... I'm the only one here
[10:30] <n00t2> for the past 30 minutes anyways
[10:32] <ratshell> lol
[10:32] <ratshell> I am here now :)
[10:36] <ratshell> so nootz what you up to?
[10:50] <n00tz> you're back
[10:50] <n00tz> and so am I
[10:50] <ratshell> yep
[10:50] <ratshell> lol
[10:51] <ratshell> What you up to man?
[10:51] <n00tz> I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server (Edgy) on a server I just bought off ebay
[10:51] <n00tz> Software RAID is new to me and it's giving me a hassle
[10:51] <ratshell> Hows that going?
[10:51] <ratshell> lol answered my question
[10:52] <n00tz> you wouldn't happen to have any experience with it woudl ya?
[10:52] <ratshell> I am going to install the server on a old laptop I have tommorrow
[10:52] <ratshell> nope sorry not with raid
[10:52] <n00tz> darn
[10:52] <theacolyte> software raid?
[10:52] <theacolyte> like lvd?
[10:52] <n00tz> yup
[10:52] <n00tz> nop
[10:52] <n00tz> like MDADM
[10:52] <theacolyte> ah, yeah
[10:52] <theacolyte> what do you need to know?
[10:52] <n00tz> which is what I'm assuming is built into the installer disk
[10:53] <theacolyte> I can't honestly remember if ubuntu does or not... you mean... set up the raid partitions in the installer itself
[10:53] <n00tz> I'm using the installer to create a RAID5 Array out of 6 drives (18.2 GB SCSI's)
[10:53] <theacolyte> I know you can do it after the fact :)
[10:53] <theacolyte> Ah
[10:53] <n00tz> yeah..  that's the problem
[10:53] <n00tz> I'm gonna be using this as  a production web/sql server
[10:54] <n00tz> and it creates all the directories on the install that I want to put on the RAID
[10:54] <theacolyte> well
[10:54] <theacolyte> you could set up 1 drive as the OS drive
[10:54] <n00tz> otherwise I wouldn't have a problem with mirroring two of them for the sys drive and 5'ing the rest after the install
[10:54] <n00tz> I'm open to suggestions
[10:54] <theacolyte> honestly, I'd suggest hardware raid :)
[10:54] <theacolyte> you can buy Dell PERC's for real cheap on ebay now
[10:55] <n00tz> I was actually gonna get the RAID card that this server would have come with originally - IBM ServeRAID-4
[10:55] <n00tz> which are cheap too
[10:55] <theacolyte> no exp with that card, I have plenty of PERC's ranging from 2 to 4... and I love em
[10:55] <theacolyte> and it's supported natively
[10:55] <theacolyte> no extra stuff involved
[10:55] <n00tz> the problem is... I'm on a limited budget and I've already spent as much as I paid for the server in shipping costs >_<
[10:56] <theacolyte> what server?
[10:56] <n00tz> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290101955084&rd=1&rd=1
[10:56] <theacolyte> http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Perc3-SC-AMI-475-SCSI-RAID-Controller-2H794-Perc-3_W0QQitemZ220102336201QQihZ012QQcategoryZ39968QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[10:56] <theacolyte> is that cheap enough :)
[10:56] <n00tz> LOL
[10:56] <n00tz> yeah.. that's the point
[10:57] <theacolyte> lol.
[10:57] <theacolyte> 4x 700mgz xeons
[10:57] <n00tz> I'm gonna be using it as a DNS/SQL/Apache mirror for an already existing server
[10:57] <theacolyte> you know you could have gotten a p4 desktop for cheaper and it'd be faster right? hehe
[10:57] <theacolyte> of course it isn't rackable
[10:57] <n00tz> that was the key
[10:58] <theacolyte> you should have talked to me, I'm selling a dual opteron 2gb 1tb disk server right now for 900
[10:58] <n00tz> I work at a web hosting/colocation/web streaming company
[10:58] <n00tz> so rack was kinda the key
[10:58] <n00tz> I've built a nice server in the past.. but being just a mirror server I wasn't really in it for the big costs
[10:58] <theacolyte> i hear ya
[11:00] <n00tz> too bad cfdisk isn't on the installer disk.. it's so much nicer than fdisk
[11:05] <n00tz> anyways, I appreciate at least getting a response and some input on my troubles
[11:05] <n00tz> I've been in #ubuntu all day with nobody knowing jack crap about it
[11:06] <theacolyte> hehe
[11:06] <theacolyte> this is the better channel for it
[11:06] <n00tz> and I've google'd just about everything I can think of.. apparently nobody uses software RAID 5 setups
[11:06] <theacolyte> yeah
[11:06] <theacolyte> because it's slow 
[11:06] <theacolyte> very slow
[11:09] <n00tz> well.. i've bit the bullet and bid on http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280106261998
[11:09] <n00tz> hardware it is
[11:11] <n00tz> any idea where the hardware compatibility list is?
[11:21] <theacolyte> not offhand
[11:21] <theacolyte> i know it's out there though
[11:22] <n00tz> it's not a complete one...
[11:23] <n00tz> I'm making a post on the forums.. 
[11:23] <theacolyte> I suggested a PERC just because I know they are supported natively... not sure about that card though it's Adaptec so I'd be suprised if it wasn't
[11:30] <n00tz> yeah.. that's my thoughts too
[11:30] <n00tz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413001