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godlessHi.12:55
maxamillionhello12:55
SlickHELLO!12:55
godlessI would like to listen to a daap server from my xubuntu machine. I have found a lot of info about how to run a daap server, but I just want to listen... can anybody point me in the right direction?12:55
godlessI have installed rhythmbox12:56
godlessI think I need avahi..?12:56
godlessthere are roughly 21937192837198 avahi packages though so I don't know where to start.12:56
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maxamilliongodless: what's a daap server?12:58
godlesser.12:58
godlessIt's the itunes network music sharing nonsense12:58
Merchelo21,937,192,837,198 ~23 trillion avahi packages?12:58
godlessMerchelo:  I stopped counting after 21 trillion, but I think my estimate is close.12:59
Merchelo!daap12:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about daap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:59
godless!avahi12:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:59
godlessHm.01:00
godlessIs it case sensitive?01:00
godless!Avahi01:00
PumpernickelNo, it's just not a factoid.01:01
godlessAvahi is an Implementation the DNS Service Discovery and Multicast DNS specifications for Zeroconf Networking. It uses D-Bus for communication between user applications and a system daemon. The daemon is used to coordinate application efforts in caching replies, necessary to minimize the traffic imposed on networks.01:02
godlessJeez, get with it ubotu/01:02
cellofellowavahi is the linux implementation of Zeroconf, which Apple implements as Bonjour for both Mac and WinXP.01:02
mrsnogodless you will need the avahi-daemon package01:02
cellofellowI use normal DNS, but it would be nice to be able to use Zeroconf for service discovery even when it doesn't set up the hostnames.01:03
mrsnomt-daapd is another popular option also01:03
godlessmrsno:  I am not trying to run the server here. I am trying to 'discover' it.01:04
godlessOh.01:04
mrsnoyes its used for discovery as well :)01:04
godlessYeah that was the 'Oh.' :) Looking into it, thanks.01:04
mrsnono problem01:04
cellofellowanybody know how to get an Audio CD to show on the desktop? I think it's a hald setting somewhere.01:06
maxamillioncellofellow: should just do so automatically, and yeah ... i would imagine that would be handled by HAL or might be something to do with xfdesktop4 net seeing that hal detected it01:06
cellofellowcd-roms show, not audio cd's though.01:07
godlessmrsno:  It gets more complicated. The daap server is on the intarweb, not local. Is there a way to point avahi-daemon at it?  avahi-daemon.conf?01:07
maxamillioncellofellow: wait ... lemme double check, i swore audio cds did too01:10
mrsnogodless hmm im not sure to be honest, maybe some client  to connect instead?01:12
maxamillioncellofellow: yeah, shows up on my desktop ... just says "Audio CD" under it though01:12
mrsnosomething like "Tangerine" maybe01:12
cellofellowTangerine is Tango icons in orange.01:13
godlessmrsno: Thought about that too, will check it out. A friend is running a daap server on some webspace, I would like to connect... the web has been pretty limited assistance so far.01:13
godlessBut I don't see myself using iTunes, so I'll figure something out :)01:13
mrsnotangerine is also a daap publish tool/client :)01:13
mrsnoyou can set the player you use to listen in it, but i haven't used it myself so maybe someone who has used daap will be able to clarify :)01:14
godlessI've never actually used it (jumping in at the deep end as ever) -- I imagine once avahi is seeing the server the shares will turn up in rhythmbox, which is itunes-ish enough to give me the heebiejeebies anyway01:14
godlessthere doesn't seem to be a working xmms daap plugin though01:15
mrsnoi was under the assumption daap is for local discovery01:15
godlessI believe it's meant to be.01:15
mrsnothings like icecast/shoutcast instead maybe :)01:16
godlessHowever he's got it working in windows/itunes so I'm gonna do my damnedest to get it working here too01:16
cellofellowExaile rocks as a jukebox. I don't think there is daap functionality or a daap plugin, but it could be made to work.01:16
godlessnever accept defeat and all that.01:16
godlessI think with daap you should be able to pick the remote songs you want to hear rather than listening to a stream.01:16
godlessiTunes doesn't let you browse daap shares that aren't on the lan so he set up a proxy to redirect localhost:#### to the remote server. I'm trying to do the same with avahi.hosts but I'm clumsy.01:18
mrsnobooo itunes01:19
godlessCouldn't agree more.01:19
cellofellowtry the /etc/hosts file01:19
mrsnoi have seen it wipe many an ipod01:19
mrsno:))01:19
godlesscellofellow:  Yeah? Or /etc/avahi/hosts?01:19
cellofellow/etc/hosts you can set host aliases.01:20
Naughtyboyanyone tried fluxbox ..??01:20
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mrsnoyea fluxbox is nice01:21
maxamillionNaughtyboy: i spent a couple years on it a few years back01:21
Merchelofluxbox is full of win and goodness01:21
Naughtyboywhats your take on it..??01:21
cellofellowsimple01:22
maxamillionNaughtyboy: i think its a really good window manager, but its rather minimalistic01:22
cellofelloweasy to play with01:22
cellofellowlove tabs01:22
Naughtyboyread abit about it and in the forums on fluxbuntu.org .....dam it's ALOOOOT configs there..01:22
NaughtyboyI'm very curious about it...but I'm not sure if I'm ready for that muck config haXXing01:23
Naughtyboyerr  much01:23
maxamillionNaughtyboy: well, it holds a semi-elitist ideal to it in the sense that to accomplish alot of the configurations you have to go editing text files and keep compliant with their syntax for the configs .... or atleast it was when i used it, they might have added some gui stuff since i stopped using it01:33
NaughtyboyOK...I like the simplicity and to some extent the minimalistic interface.....but I don't know....I kind of want to be able to acutally use my system to...not spending all my time configuring it...hehe01:35
Naughtyboywell well.....time will tell01:35
maxamillionyeah, its kinda a "how much control do you really want" factor01:36
maxamillionNaughtyboy: which is why for my daily desktop operational use, i think xfce offers me the perfect balance of all aspects of a desktop environment01:37
Naughtyboymaxamillion, : yeah xfce is very nice in that aspect....it's well balanced...however I still think it has unnecessarily much packages and services...at least to my usage..01:40
Naughtyboymaby I should try going for a server install...then manually add what I want..01:41
maxamillionNaughtyboy: well i think alot of what you are thinking "xfce" is actually "xubuntu" ... if you were to install a debian etch base system and then just install X and xfce, i think you would find it is quite "light"01:42
Naughtyboymaxamillion, : a question about manual install .....if I do a "sudo apt-get install xorg xfce4 xdm" ...or gdm or what ever login manager...do I havet to edit something...or can I just startx and login to X ...assuming I have all driver installed and configured..??01:48
maxamillionNaughtyboy: yeah, it should just work without configuration01:52
maxamillionNaughtyboy: you will also need xserver-xorg01:52
maxamillionso "sudo aptitude install xorg xserver-xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies gdm" (xfce4-goodies is a package with all the panel plugins and stuff)01:53
NaughtyboyOK....well...I don't use ANY other plugin except wfce-mixer if the counts as a panel plugin....but thanks for the headsup...think I'll give that a try....01:56
maxamillionokies01:56
maxamillionanyhoo... i'm getting off work .. bbl01:56
Merchelohttp://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/hprajani/phun/disk.jpg02:07
godlesshaha02:10
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kalikianaMerchelo, *lol*02:20
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godless!mp302:53
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:53
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BFTDyo all03:37
Howdy125yo yo03:38
BFTDyo03:39
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januszealHi05:26
januszealIm about to install xubuntu on my laptop, and being a linux noob, im worried about hardware issues (mostly wifi)05:28
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Pumpernickeljanuszeal: There's a useful list of supported cards (along with what it takes to make them work) at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported05:52
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hyper_chno updates today? :(07:17
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hyper_ch!ati07:27
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:27
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SelenolycusXubuntu ueber alles!07:44
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tuxcrafterhow do i create a new .bashrc that was in the user folder by default09:32
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darren1tuxcrafter: you mean a new *empty* one, or a default one with stuff in it to replace one you deleted?09:40
tuxcrafterto replace09:41
tuxcrafteri want the default one back09:41
darren1cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/09:41
tuxcrafterok thanks09:41
darren1np09:41
tuxcrafteri want to be able to use a specific permission mask in a specific directory how can i do this? i know that you can set a global mask in your .bashrc but how about a specific mask in for a specific folder?09:41
darren1not sure.. you mean like umask?09:47
tuxcrafteryea09:48
tuxcrafterdarren1: use a specif umaks in when the user want to create a file or dir in a specific directory09:48
darren1understood.. just don't know how09:51
darren1umask command doesn't allow it.09:51
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darrendtuxcrafter: you could set the sticky bit on the directory with chmod to force all files/dirs in there to be created with the same gid09:53
darrenddon't know if that helps09:54
tuxcrafterdarrend: yea it does09:54
tuxcrafteri was already looking at the sticky bit09:54
tuxcrafterusing a chmod of 6771 now09:55
tuxcrafterThe first digit selects the set user ID09:56
tuxcrafter       (4) and set group ID (2) and sticky (1) attributes.09:56
tuxcraftercan you explain that in more detail please :-P09:56
tuxcrafteri only what that every file or dir have a rw on the group attribute09:57
darrendchmod 2770 on the directory will mean all files created in that directory will have the same gid as the directory itself and that the directory cannot be read outside the owner and group.  global umask will still apply.10:01
darrendI think10:01
darrend:)10:01
darrendmkdir test && chmod 2770 test && touch test/hello && ls -al test/10:03
darrendchgrp admin test/ && touch test/hello2 && ls -al test/10:04
darrendthat help?10:04
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tuxcrafterdarrend: sticky bit is not the solution now i can delete and rename the file but i can not change it :-P10:07
darrenddid you set the uid as well as the gid?10:08
darrendwhat chmod did you put on the directory?10:08
darrendtype in the commands I showed a minute ago.. that will allow you to change the file as you'll still be the owner of it10:09
tuxcrafterdarrend: yeas10:10
tuxcrafterbut when i create a file the group wil be only r not rw10:10
tuxcraftersticky bit is a bit special  :-P10:11
tuxcrafterreally need a umask for a predefined directory10:11
darrendpermissions on the file you create come from umask, not the sticky bit on the directory10:11
tuxcrafterdarrend: exactly10:11
darrendwhat exactly do you need this for?10:12
darrendmaybe another way10:12
tuxcraftershared project10:12
tuxcrafterdirectorys10:12
tuxcrafterthat are only accessible bye a specif group10:12
darrender, make the chmod on the root of the project directory to be 77010:13
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darrendthen no-one other than the group will see anything in it or be able to do anything in it10:14
tuxcrafterdarrend: yes with chmod i can get everyting fine but when a user creates a new file or folder it uses its own umask and things will be not accessibly again10:16
darrendwhat??  What do you mean "things will be not accessibly again"10:16
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darrend(brb)10:18
tuxcrafteryou can see it with the command you posted your self10:20
tuxcrafterdarrend: if you set chmod all file and folders will be correct on that moment10:20
tuxcrafterbut if a user creates a new file or folder it will have a new umask with the wrong permissions10:20
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albertwhat's the command for the xfce process-manager?10:28
tuxcrafteralbert: xfce4-taskmanager10:39
tuxcrafterbut beter user htop10:39
tuxcraftersudo apt-get install htop10:39
albertthank you. can you explain the difference?10:39
_aussiemananyone had any probs with xsane on fesity - it worked for me a week ago but now wont find any devices10:39
tuxcrafteralbert: look for yourself10:40
tuxcrafteralbert: it is pretty self explaining10:40
_aussiemantuxcrafter, SELF EXPLANATORY10:40
tuxcrafter_aussieman: thanks for the correction self explanatory10:40
_aussiemanthats ok10:41
_aussiemani was being pedantic10:41
_aussiemanany ideas on xsane10:41
tuxcrafternop not tested it yet10:41
_aussiemanok10:41
albertk, pretty much self expaining ;)10:41
albertthank you10:41
tuxcrafter_aussieman: do you have hplip loaded?10:41
_aussiemani think so10:41
tuxcrafterbefore starting xsane10:41
tuxcraftersudo /etc/init.d/hplip restart10:42
_aussiemanyep i got it10:42
tuxcrafter_aussieman: it is only for hp devices! dont now what your device is10:42
_aussiemanno still no devices found10:42
_aussiemanits hp10:42
_aussiemani have hp10:43
_aussiemani had it working10:43
tuxcrafterlsusb?10:43
_aussiemanout of the box10:43
_aussiemanBus 002 Device 003: ID 03f0:5511 Hewlett-Packard10:43
_aussiemani presume10:43
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_aussiemanill keep playing later i have to call soemone now10:43
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tuxcrafterhow do i create a directory specific umask?11:43
darrendtuxcrafter: that makes no sense - what permissions do you want it to have?  More to the point, what EXACTLY are you trying to achieve>11:45
darrend?11:45
darrendif the users want different default permissions, tell them to change their umask in .bashrc11:45
darrendor tell them to change the files after they create them11:46
darrendif you protect top level directories correctly, no-one will be able to see the files in them anyway.. regardless of what permissions the files have11:46
tuxcrafterdarrend: if a user creates a file in /home/$user/ it should have a mask of 600 if a user creates a file in /home/$user/share/ it should have a mask of 660 and this must go automatically so no manual chmods.11:47
darrendwhy are you sharing project folders from inside a users home?11:49
darrendwhy not setup /projects/whatever11:49
darrendand grant permissions on that to the group11:49
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tuxcrafterdarrend the problem will be the same11:51
tuxcrafterdarrend directory specific umask11:51
darrendI can't know that - you won't tell me what you actually want to achieve in terms of who can do what11:51
darrendyou just keep going on about dir specific umask which you can't do11:52
tuxcrafterdarrend: if a user creates a file in /home/$user/ it should have a mask of 600 if a user creates a file in /share/ it should have a mask of 660 and this must go automatically so no manual chmods.11:52
tuxcraftersee same problem11:52
darrendno, that's just a copy/paste of what you said a minute ago11:52
darrendsorry, I can't help you 'cos you won't tell me what you want the end result to be11:53
tuxcrafterdarrend: i want different file permissions on different locations11:54
tuxcrafterso if a user does a touch file.txt it should have different permissions depending on the configuration11:54
darrendthat's not an end result.  That's a step to achieving one.11:55
darrendif you create a file with world readable permissions in a directory, then change that directory (chmod o-rwx), no-one can see that file unless they have access to the directory.  EVEN IF the file still has world readable permissions11:56
tuxcrafteri want to have a group of people that can work together in a shared directory they login with ssh11:56
darrendperfectly possible to do11:56
{uX}l`VampyrCeilwhat's the Xfce equivalent to gconf-editor? :x11:57
tuxcrafterand the users must have automatic file permissions in a specif folder11:57
darrendset up your share, give the group ownership, put your users in that group, make their umask 0022, make sure their ~/ dirs are chmod (go-rwx), job done11:57
{uX}l`VampyrCeilor if it's easier to just up and tell me how to remove the items on my desktop, that'd work too11:57
tuxcrafterdarrend no that is the current sittuation11:57
darrendthen you already DO have a share that a group can access and work on] 11:58
tuxcrafterif they make a file in a other directory than that file will have a umask of 0022 also11:58
darrendso what???11:58
tuxcrafteri dont want that11:58
tuxcrafterit has to be top secure11:58
darrendprotect the directory those files are in if that's an issue11:58
darrendwhy is that so hard to do?11:58
tuxcrafteri what automatic file premissons that are specified in a directory11:59
tuxcrafteri really need a break now11:59
darrendif you log into a box as root and create a file in /root with your umask set to 0022, does that mean all users can see that file?? No, of course not11:59
tuxcraftergetting mad now so time to get some air11:59
darrendwell, you can't do it as far as I know12:00
{uX}l`VampyrCeilnm i found it12:00
kalikiana{uX}l`VampyrCeil, You want Settings->Workspace (I think that's it) to disable desktop icons?12:00
tuxcrafteri will be back in 45 minutes12:00
kalikianaah, ok :)12:00
tuxcrafterdarrend: thanks for your time i really appreciate it12:00
{uX}l`VampyrCeilright click on desktop and settings in there ^^12:00
tuxcraftersee you later12:00
darrendso you must have some amazing requirements that no-one else ever in the history of Unix has ever had12:00
{uX}l`VampyrCeilthanks tho kalikiana o/12:00
kalikiana{uX}l`VampyrCeil, :)12:00
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darrendanyone know what the default Eterm font is, and whether the xfce terminal can be made to use it?12:48
darrendI really like the clean look of the Eterm font, but want to use xfce's terminal which is better functionally :)12:48
tuxcrafterdarrend: i am back01:01
godlessI am finding rhythmbox unfathomably slow to load, even with an empty library it takes minutes before the window appears... I have a lot of codecs installed just now but this was true before I added any of them... any thoughts?01:02
kalikianagodless, Is switching the player an option?01:03
godlessno errors popping up when I run it from a terminal either, just a blank screen for ages...01:03
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godlesskalikiana:  I'm using it for its daap capabilities so I suppose banshee or (I believe?) amarok are options...01:04
tuxcrafterdarrend: i will use the umask 006 it will work its not perfect but i dont have time anymore i will look at acl's some other time to see if i can get directory specific umask rules01:05
godlessBut since it works so smoothly in rhythmbox, once it finally loads at least, I am hesitant to switch if I can sort this out...01:06
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godlessIt's not even using any cpu while it waits to start...01:06
kalikianagodless, About daap specifically I cannot say a thing I fear, so hopefully somebody else has an idea.01:06
kalikianagodless, You could try strace?01:07
godlessstrace? sorry, I'm unfamiliar...01:07
godless!strace01:07
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about strace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:07
kalikiana!info strace01:10
ubotustrace: A system call tracer. In component main, is standard. Version 4.5.14-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 92 kB, installed size 248 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh sparc)01:10
kalikianagodless, It shows every single system call and *maybe* you see WHERE it is holding its breath?01:10
godlesskalikiana:  thanks. I'll fiddle.01:11
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kalikianaIt's just an idea because the actual problem is unknown, I hope it helps a bit :)01:11
godlessdaap isn't the problem either, it happens if I don't load the avahi-daemon either.01:12
godlessaaaaanyway.01:12
godlessmaybe some sleep will elucidate.01:12
godlessGood night.01:12
kalikianagodless, good night :)01:12
godlessWell. Morning. :/01:12
alberthey, is there sth like kdesu with xubuntu? or can you tell me a light-weight verison?01:14
mrsnoalbert sudo on its own01:15
mrsnoor sudo thunar to open the file manager as sudo01:16
mrsnoor gksudo01:16
godless'Thunar'01:16
godlessI'm all for case sensitivity but sometimes... grr.. :)01:16
albertye, i'm trying do make a menu entry for shutdown01:16
mrsno:-)01:16
albert(in fluxbox)01:16
kalikianaalbert, gksudo == kdesu ;)01:17
albertand i'm running it on a xubuntu installation01:17
albertk, thx ;)01:17
kalikiana!info gksudo01:17
ubotuPackage gksudo does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas01:17
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kalikianaubotu, u are stoopid :P01:17
michaelpowhat software do i use to erase cdrw disc?01:17
{uX}l`VampyrCeilhow do i start the x window manager or whatever?01:17
{uX}l`VampyrCeilberyl messed my shit up and i have no titlebars -_-01:18
kalikianamichaelpo, xfburn or graveman01:18
{uX}l`VampyrCeili don't even want to mess with beryl anymore, i just want my titlebars :(01:18
godlessAmarok uses kde libraries. I know xubuntu is optimized for gtk but... how exactly will this slow down my system?01:18
kalikiana{uX}l`VampyrCeil, You mean XFCE's window manager? That would be 'xfwm4'. Press Akt+F2 and type 'xfwm4'. :)01:18
michaelpokalikiana? i need to download that? is there any preinstalled software in ubuntu?01:19
kalikianamichaelpo, xfburn *should be preinstalled I believe?01:19
{uX}l`VampyrCeilyou're a god, kalikiana01:19
{uX}l`VampyrCeilXD01:19
kalikianagodless, The first kde app will load the whole lot of kde/qt libraries for itself alone. If you have more than one, divide the 'waste' of memory.01:20
kalikiana{uX}l`VampyrCeil, :)01:20
godlessbleh01:20
godlesskalikiana:  Will they be in memory even if I don't have Amarok (or whatever first kde app) running?01:21
darrend{uX}l`VampyrCeil: using nVidia card?01:21
godlessI can live with the disk space.01:22
kalikianagodless, Nope. If no kde program is running, memory will be free again.01:22
{uX}l`VampyrCeildarrend, yeah :x01:22
kalikianagodless, Just that one program will use *unusually* much memory.01:22
godlessGotcha.01:23
darrendtry adding the following 2 options to your "Device" section in xorg.conf..01:23
darrendOption          "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True"01:23
darrend        Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"01:23
darrend{uX}l`VampyrCeil: then restart GDM and give Beryl another go01:23
{uX}l`VampyrCeilthanks, but as i said in #beryl, i feel a headache coming on, and the hippie in me hates headaches; i got the site for installing beryl to Feisty on an nvidia bookmarked, so i'll try again later01:25
{uX}l`VampyrCeili've just been up for too long to fight stuff at the moment :x01:25
{uX}l`VampyrCeilmuch appreciated, tho01:25
darrendI had the same problem and that fixed it for me01:26
{uX}l`VampyrCeilthe lack of titlebars wasn't even with beryl running; that was after i tried to run it and killed it01:26
{uX}l`VampyrCeilbecause when i started beryl, i got a blank white screen01:26
{uX}l`VampyrCeil:x01:26
darrendah01:26
{uX}l`VampyrCeilmiddle click + move got me to a screen with a red design and a gem on it, but that was laggy01:27
{uX}l`VampyrCeilcouldn't get to my apps :x01:27
michaelpofound the solution, nautilus will erase the cdrw, before writing new iso....01:28
godlessmichaelpo:  sounds like you are running ubuntu, not xubuntu...01:29
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michaelpogodless: yes, ubuntu... i just downloaded xubuntu to install into my p2 notebook...01:32
godlessmichaelpo:  This will explain why you couldn't find xfburn.01:33
godlessIt is installed by default with xubuntu; I don't believe this is the case with straight ubuntu.01:33
godless!Exaile01:34
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about exaile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:34
godlessnyur.01:34
kalikiana!info exaile01:34
ubotuPackage exaile does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas01:34
kalikianagodless, !info is for packages ;)01:35
{uX}l`VampyrCeiljust out of curiousity, is there a way to take away "Applications", and just have the Xubuntu icon there?01:38
{uX}l`VampyrCeil:x01:38
{uX}l`VampyrCeilit doesn't even bother me at all, i just think it'd be nice to just have the icon :p01:39
{uX}l`VampyrCeilsetxkbmap option -us compose:rwin <=- does that look right to "make right windows key 'compose'"?01:43
{uX}l`VampyrCeili think i've just about got the command memorised, but i'm not sure <_<01:43
{uX}l`VampyrCeiland there is no --help or -h o_O01:44
albertgksudo shutdown -h now  isn't working for me :(01:46
albertit just gives me the  gksudo --help output01:47
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Merchelosudo shutdown -h now02:05
kalikianaThis will instantly shutdown the computer. Don't post that here, without a comment.02:06
Mercheloyeah, sorry, was trying to help out albert, but it seems he left already.02:11
kalikianaMerchelo, You never know who reads it by chance and just tries it out. No offence meant. :)02:12
Merchelojust out of curiosity, what command would it be to make the shutdown panel, with the options on it to appear?02:13
Merchelono matter, it would be an xfce specific question.02:16
kalikianaMerchelo, I'm not sure what you mean. There is a plugin which displays buttons on the panel.02:16
kalikianaAnd this *is* #xubuntu, so xfce is okay :)02:17
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Lord_Maynoth_42could anyone here help me please?  I trying to help fix a bug with the newest kernel... and the AMD 690G chipset02:38
Lord_Maynoth_42seems the bug was introduced after 2.6.20RC502:38
Lord_Maynoth_42they want me to recomplile and test each RC after that02:38
Lord_Maynoth_42:/02:38
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godlessomg I hate windows file shares02:45
godlessI mounted some in pyneighbourhood some time back02:46
godlessNow I cannot unmount them02:46
godlessI believe this is my rythmbox problem02:46
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godlesswhen I try to rm -rf the mount point I get:02:49
godlessrm: cannot lstat `.smbmnt//SILVER/movies': Input/output error02:49
michaelpoi've downloaded xubuntu6.10, when i tried to install, it cannot detect my external cdrom teac2405, i've searched the forum, nothing, i've tried damnsmalllinux, it detected, i think maybe kernal2.4 works on the cdrom? does older xubuntu based on kernel2.4? how do i download that old xubuntu?02:50
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: not sure what your problems is. Someone is trying to fix a bug for you and is asking you to test the change. Am I missing something?02:50
Lord_Maynoth_42well im stupid02:51
Lord_Maynoth_42I don't have a clue how to recomplile the RC6 and RC7 kernels of 2.6.2002:51
Lord_Maynoth_42:/02:51
ceil420:o02:51
Lord_Maynoth_42there is bug with with the 32bit version and the amd690 chipset...02:52
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: I'm sure you're not stupid, do you want a guide to compile the kernel?02:52
Lord_Maynoth_42sure... but once I get it recompiled... how do I make it into a liveCD?02:52
Lord_Maynoth_42:/02:52
graziemichaelpo: your problem is probably due to usb or fw support is the kernel02:52
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: if you can't build your own live cd (again not to hard really these days) you'll have to wait for the release02:53
michaelpograzie: xubuntu failed to detect the cdrom... but can load the kernel on bootup, but halfway through the installation, it failed to recognise the cdrom...02:54
michaelpograzie: how to fix this?02:54
Lord_Maynoth_42are their guides to building livecd's02:54
ceil420i think he might be able to, grazie, but doesn't know how02:54
michaelpograzie what if fw?02:54
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: yes, but I'd have to google so you'd be quick as me...02:55
graziemichaelpo: fw = firewire02:55
Lord_Maynoth_42what terms do I search for?02:55
michaelpoit is acer p2 laptop, around 10yrs old... no firewire....02:56
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: I'd do something like "build linux live cd" also dreamlinux comes with a tool to do this. ..can't remember the name02:56
Lord_Maynoth_42thanks!02:57
graziemichaelpo: can you boot from any cd?02:57
Lord_Maynoth_42do you think there is a chance in heck the dev's will issue a kernel patch if I can track this bug down?02:57
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: who you talking to?02:58
Lord_Maynoth_42anyone02:58
Lord_Maynoth_42:D02:58
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: the point I trying make is that some devs/distro are quicker than others02:59
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grazieLord_Maynoth_42: you problem will probably be fixed...it just hard to say when02:59
Lord_Maynoth_42ya... ubuntu is great... but they are not very good at addressing bugs imho...03:00
Lord_Maynoth_42ubuntu is prolly the best I have found...03:00
Lord_Maynoth_42um here is another weird question03:00
Lord_Maynoth_42is it possible to recompile from winxp03:00
graziethen there are alternatives (that may have fixed already)03:00
Lord_Maynoth_42i hate win xp03:00
Lord_Maynoth_42but its all I have running atm03:00
Lord_Maynoth_42I built this new machine after my old one died03:00
Lord_Maynoth_42:/03:00
Lord_Maynoth_42I wanted to go with xubuntu but I can't do to kernel bugs03:01
michaelpograzie, i can boot all cd03:01
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: I'm sure you could x-compile from XP but not sure why anyone would want to03:01
Lord_Maynoth_42I don't want to at all03:02
Lord_Maynoth_42:D03:02
michaelpograzie, i can boot all cds, i can install damnsmalllinux kernel2.4,03:02
Lord_Maynoth_42I just don't know how to get linux running without first patching the kernel03:02
graziemichaelpo: I maybe missing something...why do you need to the external cdrom for installing?03:02
michaelpograzie: i only have external cdrom, no internal03:03
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godlesswoohaw, rhythmbox right as rain.03:03
godlesskalikiana:  Thanks for the strace tip.03:03
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: you tried knoppix? Runs on everything...great tool to have to hand03:03
godless<3 knoppix03:03
godlesssaved me six thousand four hundred and eighty six gray hairs so far.03:04
Lord_Maynoth_42I tried knoppix but the bug is present on it also03:04
michaelpograzie, i can boot all cds, i can install damnsmalllinux kernel2.4, for xubuntu, after, detect keyboard, location, language; installation process; it need to detect cdrom, it cant find the cdrom drive...03:04
Lord_Maynoth_42:/03:04
Lord_Maynoth_42I need 2.6.20rc503:04
michaelpois there anywhere, i can download the old xubuntu? xubuntu4.10?03:05
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graziemichaelpo: if you boot with dsl but you want to install xubuntu you can use dsl to do so (same as knoppix) see link below03:05
grazie!install | michaelpo03:05
ubotumichaelpo: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate03:05
kalikianagodless, May I ask what the problem was?03:06
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graziekeep up03:06
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: you not sorted?03:07
Lord_Maynoth_42sorted?03:08
grazieyou know how to solve you problems? (sorted uk term maybe)03:08
Lord_Maynoth_42well I did file bug reports... but honestly I am still very noobish...03:09
Lord_Maynoth_42and I need another computer which i don't have atm to fix this bug03:09
Lord_Maynoth_42:/03:09
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: if the problem is on ubuntu kernel only why not use another distro that doesn't have the problem?03:10
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: until ubuntu bug is fixed03:11
Lord_Maynoth_42well I have tried knoppix03:11
Lord_Maynoth_42:/03:11
Lord_Maynoth_42i think it is the main kernel03:11
Lord_Maynoth_42that has the bug03:11
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: would be better if you could help with testing the bug fix but realise that you're not all the confident just yet03:12
Lord_Maynoth_42well i could try...he wants me to try RC6 and RC7 of the 2.6.20 kernel...  and see if they have the issue also... and also the 2.6.21 kernel when it comes out of beta03:13
grazieLord_Maynoth_42: there are many choices. If the bug is in the ubuntu kernel, can you another kernel with ubuntu. You have many choices03:14
Lord_Maynoth_42really03:14
Lord_Maynoth_42premade?03:14
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grazieLord_Maynoth_42: premade kernels are avaibable yes, but are unlikely to support all you require. Also needs a reasonable amount of linux knowledge/skills03:15
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grazieLord_Maynoth_42: if you not confident about testing kernel fix, just let the dev know and he'll probably ask for third party testers.03:21
michaelpograzie, i'm thinking, how about swap my p2 harddisk with this laptop, i install it, then swap out the harddisk into my p2. can that work?03:22
michaelpop4 vs p2, 1gb ram vs 128 ram?03:23
michaelpocan i install this way?03:24
michaelpo15" vs 12" monitor03:24
graziemichaelpo: I think what you saying is that want to install linux on a hard disk outsite your target machine and then fit the hard disk into the target machine?03:25
michaelpograzie, correct...03:25
michaelpocan that be done?03:25
graziegrazie: yes, relatively easy with linux, but...03:26
graziemichaelpo: ^^03:26
michaelpobut what?03:26
michaelpo4 year old hardware vs 10 years old hardware?03:27
graziemichaelpo: you'll not to change things like drivers, /etc/fstab, /etc/X11/xorg.config. etc. but we can help you with that whne needed.03:27
graziemichaelpo: would also be better is you could follow the xubuntu manual config route (rather than auto) to better match the old machine03:28
grazies/is/if/03:29
michaelpothanks... so i will shutdown this machine now.... swap the harddisk, then install xubuntu into the 4gb hdd,... swap out the hdd into the p2, then come back in irc here, and for advise...03:30
graziefine..maybe chat later :)03:30
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Slickhey guys, is there an easy ways to mount my windows partition in xubuntu03:55
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kalikiana|awaySlick, For example the panel plugin for mouting disks04:00
kalikiana|awayOr copy a line from my fstab, learn the syntax and change it to your needs. :)04:01
SlickI've just installed the panel plugin, but can't see my windows partition04:03
amsmith42hsIs there a trick to getting xfburn to burn an iso with a 4x4x24 drive?04:03
Slickalthough its running ntfs so I might need to install something extra04:03
amsmith42hsI'm getting cdrecord errors, BadOption: speed=.04:04
kalikiana|awaySlick, This is my fstab line for an NTFS dive: /dev/sda1  /media/sda1    ntfs         defaults,nls=utf8,gid=users,umask=0000,ro  0  104:10
j1mcamsmith42hs: not sure, but have you tried burning from the command line?  try  "cdrecord -v dev=/dev/cdrom nameoffile.iso"04:10
kalikiana|awaySlick, I know no more than I need to make it work, maybe you get it that way as well :)04:10
amsmith42hsj1mc: Thank you.04:10
j1mcamsmith42hs: sure.  just make sure to navigate to the folder that contains the ISO first.04:11
amsmith42hsj1mc: Will do.04:11
Slickhow do you alter fstab?04:11
kalikiana|awaySlick, Open /etc/fstab in a text editor, e.g. mousepad, as root, and add a new line, similar to the one I posted.04:13
amsmith42hsj1mc: It gave some errors but it seems to be doing more than it was before...04:13
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amsmith42hsj1mc: I was able to just data burn with xfburn, but not iso burn.04:13
kalikiana|awaySlick, then after saving do 'sudo mount -a' to update without rebooting. Of course, be careful with experimenting ;)04:14
amsmith42hsj1mc: I hope it isn't just data burning again.04:14
j1mcamsmith42hs: oh . . .   we'll see how it goes.  :-)04:14
Slickok cheers, I'll try that04:14
j1mcamsmith42hs: is it giving you progress indicators . . .  like "burning sector 200 of 700" or something?04:14
amsmith42hsj1mc: That we will...04:14
amsmith42hsWoohoo! .2 times more than rated burn speed! :P04:15
Slick[mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab04:16
Slickmount: mount point /media/sda1 does not exist04:16
j1mcSlick: check to make sure you don't have a blank line at the end of your fstab file.04:17
j1mcmake a backup of it  . . . .   (sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup)04:18
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j1mcand then open it with "sudo nano /etc/fstab" and check to make sure there's not a blank line at the end.04:18
Slickhmm yeah there's no blank line04:18
amsmith42hsBah! Buffer underrun04:18
j1mcamsmith42hs: bummer!!04:20
j1mcamsmith42hs: try closing out all of your windows / applications, and trying again.04:20
j1mcor . . . hmmm...   i haven't had to set the cd speed before . . .    i wonder what the option is for that.04:21
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amsmith42hsj1mc: It looks like it defaults to 4, the max.04:22
amsmith42hsj1mc: cdrecord suggested setting burnfree04:22
amsmith42hsj1mc: I'm doing that now.04:22
kalikiana|awayj1mc, nano is not really usable for everybody ;)04:22
j1mcamsmith42hs: check out the section on speed in this link: http://node1.yo-linux.com/cgi-bin/man2html?cgi_command=cdrecord04:24
amsmith42hsj1mc: Also, I didn't realize that burdening the CPU would have an adverse affect on the burn. I was opening apps. I'll not do that this time.04:24
j1mckalikiana|away: ok . . .   maybe use mousepad then.  :-)04:24
amsmith42hsj1mc: Success!04:29
amsmith42hsj1mc: Thank you for your help.04:29
j1mcamsmith42hs: you're welcome.  what helped the situation?04:31
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amsmith42hsj1mc: The combination of freeburn, command line, and not opening apps, I think.04:40
Slickis there an easy way to check how much RAM the system has in xubuntu?04:43
j1mcamsmith42hs: good news.  i don't have a lot of experience with xfburn, but you may want to check it out and see if those options exist in the preferences section or something.04:43
Slicka command in the terminal or anything like that?04:43
j1mcSlick: cat /proc/meminfo04:43
Slickthanks04:43
j1mcSlick: you can also try "cat /proc/cpuinfo" to get info about your processor.  it's pretty neat.  =)04:43
Slickwow cool, loads of memory info04:44
SlickI'll write those commands down for future reference04:44
j1mc=)04:44
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cynthiahi04:50
cynthiai am a new user of xubuntu04:50
graziewelcome04:50
cynthiai find xubuntu good to use04:50
cynthiarun smoothly in my machine04:51
cynthiavery good04:51
cynthiahi04:51
cynthiabut i've quite a lot of questions when i use xubuntu04:51
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grazie!ask | cynthia04:51
ubotucynthia: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)04:51
cynthiaok04:55
cynthiai install ubuntu 6.1004:55
cynthiathen i install kde and xfce04:55
cynthiau know, default is gnome04:56
cynthiai'm going to use xubuntu04:56
cynthiai'm not sure if i'm really using xubutu04:56
cynthiabecause i found my machine running on xfce is smooth04:57
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cynthiawhile the kde and gnome consume much resources04:57
=== grazie absolutely
cynthiais it possible to uninstall kde and gnome04:58
maxamillioncynthia: yes04:58
cynthiabecause my pc is running xp and ubuntu04:58
cynthiaand using grub as bootloader04:58
graziecynthia: might be easier to fresh install xubuntu though if you can04:59
cynthiagrazie, is xubuntu the same as ubuntu installation cd05:00
maxamillioncynthia: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce05:00
cynthiaor should i d/l a new cd?05:00
maxamillioncynthia: that link will tell you how to remove everything from ubuntu or kubuntu05:01
cynthiacoool05:01
maxamillion:)05:01
graziecynthia: not the same no, but the base os is the same yes. The are lots of ways to install05:01
grazie!install | cynthia05:01
ubotucynthia: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate05:01
graziecynthia: I'll let maxamillion tell you how to uninstall kde & gnome05:01
maxamilliongrazie: i already did ... did you see that link i posted?05:02
cynthiayes,05:02
cynthiai am reading....05:02
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maxamillionlol05:02
cynthiaboth of you are very kind05:02
maxamillioncynthia: we try :)05:02
maxamillioncynthia: that link i gave you, if you look to the left at all the subjects covered, it is a rather useful site05:03
cynthia...another question is...05:03
cynthiai am now using 'xchat'05:03
cynthiait seems that there is no options to 'swap' the text05:04
cynthiai cannot see the words when the sentence is too long05:04
cynthiathe words cannot 'dropped' into next line05:04
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h3sp4wnmaxamillion: "purexfce" is quite deceptive - (even without xubuntu-settings it doesn't look like pure xfce)05:05
h3sp4wns/xubuntu-settings/xubuntu-default-settings05:05
graziecynthia: I use xchat and I'm not following what your problem is05:06
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maxamillionh3sp4wn: i don't follow .... that tutorial is just how to remove either gnome or kde05:06
Howdy125cynthia, just type everything out in one line ..05:07
cynthiayes,05:07
cynthiabut i cannot see others05:08
h3sp4wnmaxamillion: the link is titled purexfce - pure xfce looks different and less gnome like than xubuntu (nicer I think)05:08
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cynthiawhen other users try to type long sentence, it is my time to guess ....what they said05:08
jorisOpenoffice crashes when i try to use a wizard to import a new library. Im using Xubuntu Feisty. Somebody knows a solution?05:08
h3sp4wnis fiesty going to release tommorow still ?05:09
maxamillionh3sp4wn: ahh .. yeah, i actually run my setup like "pure xfce" http://swooh.kicks-ass.org/~adam/homeXubuntuEdgy.png05:09
Howdy125cynthia, maybe making your xchat window larger may help .. I don't seem to have that problem with the text.05:10
maxamillionh3sp4wn: not entirely sure about that .... nothing big in the -devel mailing lists sayin "tomorrow is the big day"05:10
cynthiahowdy125: problem stills exist05:10
Howdy125cynthia,  Hmmmm .. weird.05:11
cynthiayes.05:11
cynthiaactually i am very very new to ubuntu05:11
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cynthiabefore using ubuntu, i am a pure m$ user05:12
cynthia1st time i tried to install ubuntu (in gnome desktop), i found it is strange05:12
Howdy125cynthia, maybe after you reinstall with a pure xubuntu it will work better.05:13
cynthiai set to 1027x76805:13
cynthiabut the desktop icon is extremely large05:13
cynthiathen i install xfce desktop, the icon becomes normal05:13
cynthiai don't know why05:14
Howdy125You can make those smaller in ubuntu .. but I like xubuntu  .. :)05:14
maxamillioncynthia: that's because in xfce the desktop is handled by a different program then it is with gnome05:14
cynthiai don't know how to do that05:14
maxamillioncynthia: there are many differences you will have to learn about linux vs. windows :)05:14
maxamillioncynthia: in linux, when you change the desktop environment, you generally change what programs control every aspect of your interaction with the computer05:15
cynthiaafter using xubuntu, i believe xubuntu is suitable for my machine05:15
maxamillion:)05:15
cynthiamaxamillion, icici05:15
cynthiai understand there're many differences between these 2 OS05:15
maxamillion:)05:15
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cynthiai still wish to know more about linux05:16
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maxamillioncynthia: there is plenty of online documentation out there ... and google is your friend ;)05:16
cynthiaalthough i am not an expert05:16
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maxamillioncynthia: expert is a strong word ... i've been using linux as my only operating system for over 7 years now and i don't feel that i am an expert05:17
cynthiayes, sometimes searching causes me trouble05:17
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Howdy125Too much to learn and it's always changing .. :)05:17
cynthiait took me almost 3 weeks to search for info on how to install samsung printer SCX4100!!05:18
cynthiaexcuse me, maxamillion, how many years? i can't see05:18
Howdy125Well back to my corner .. I have things to do .. :-/05:19
Howdy125cynthia, he said 7 years05:19
cynthiasorry for my poor english, english is my 2nd language, i dont know 'expert' is a strong word05:19
cynthiai will be careful when choosing words :)05:19
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cynthiaanyway, i will try my best to adapt the os05:22
kalikianacynthia, don't take 'expert is a strong word' literal ;)05:22
cynthiai find it is very good05:22
maxamillioncynthia: well, if you ever feel you need help there is normally always someone around here willing to help :)05:22
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slow-motionhallo05:23
cynthiakalikiana, thank you05:24
maxamillionhiya slow-motion05:24
cynthiatonight i'm sharing my experience using the xubuntu as well as the language05:24
slow-motionhi maxamillion05:24
kalikianahi slow-motion :)05:27
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cynthiamay i leave as it is mid night at HK05:27
blizzhey05:27
blizzdo you think it's possible to modify the `xscreensaver-command -lock` screen?05:28
cynthiasee u tomorrow05:28
blizzi want something like a UAC box ;-)05:28
kalikianahi blizz :)05:28
cynthiaBB05:28
kalikianaciao cynthia05:28
blizzhey kalikiana05:28
slow-motionhi kalikiana05:29
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jorisIs somebody running xubuntu feisty and using writer?05:31
h3sp4wnI guess at any time you may consider someone who knows significantly more than you to be an expert. But its relative05:32
Howdy125joris, I'm using xubuntu feisty .. do you mean oo writer ?05:39
jorisYes Howdy12505:43
jorisJust did a fresh install and tried to import a dictionary but the wizard keeps crashing05:44
Howdy125Oh .. I wouldn't know anything about that .. sorry joris05:44
jorisah sorry05:44
joriswell thanks for responding, i saw there was all ready a post in the forums, same problem also exist in Kubuntu05:45
Howdy125yw ..05:46
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Slick__hey, the sound seems to have stopped working on all my programs, is there a solution to reset the sound without restarting?06:06
Slick__I've checked and the volume isnt on mute06:06
crimsunhttp://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh06:07
slow-motionbye06:10
amsmith42hsWhat is recommended for navigating Windows network shares?06:11
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grazie|awayamsmith42hs: recommended dunno...but some options are thunar + fusesmb, pyNeighborhood and ??Neighborhood (that I can't recall the exact name of)06:17
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amsmith42hsOK, thanks.06:18
crimsunSlick__: did you plan to tell me the url that paste generated?06:22
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Slick__crimsun: I was unsure about running a script from a website...what is it?06:30
crimsunSlick__: it's a debugging script that we've developed in #alsa06:31
crimsunSlick__: download it, execute it after inspecting it if you're apprenhensive06:31
crimsunapprehensive ^06:31
crimsunyou'll need to prepend "bash "06:32
Slick__I'll try restarting first, there's probably less opportunity for me to mess up06:33
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amsmith42hsGaim keeps dying on me without warning.06:55
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amsmith42hsIt just disappears.06:56
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WaxyFreshhowdy,im trying to remove the menu bar from xfce and just use a mouse click menu like on flux box,whats the package name of the menu bar?06:56
grazieamsmith42hs: launch gaim from a terminal and you may see an error message that will help track the problem06:59
grazieWaxyFresh: the menu bar is an applet that can be removed by right clicking07:01
grazieWaxyFresh: the panel application is xfce4-panel07:02
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WaxyFreshgrazie, thanks08:01
grazienp08:02
WaxyFreshcan anyone think of anything i can do to slim down xfce,not that it isnt already on a diet but im on an older box08:13
WaxyFreshdoes xubuntu get updated at the same time k/ubuntu does for fiesty?08:13
highvoltageWaxyFresh: they follow roughly the same release cycle, yes08:14
highvoltageWaxyFresh: new Xubuntu should land tomorrow with Edubuntu/Ubuntu/Kubuntu08:14
maxamillionWaxyFresh: its supposed to ... but i'm not entirely sure because our project lead hasn't specified08:14
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grazieWaxyFresh: First thing I'd do is get rid of cupsys and hplip if you don't need them08:15
grazie!info cupsys08:16
ubotucupsys: Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.4-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1428 kB, installed size 6368 kB08:16
grazie!info hplip08:16
ubotuhplip: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.9-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 534 kB, installed size 2544 kB08:16
grazieobviously the above applies to xubuntu (not xfce)08:18
WaxyFreshyup08:22
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WaxyFreshcupsys is already gone so is hplib08:23
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godless!nvidia08:49
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto08:49
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WaxyFreshgrazie, i uninstalled xfce4-panel and my mneu bar is still there what should i do09:41
WaxyFreshi dont want any menu bars09:43
grazieWaxyFresh: Not sure...when you say bar menu you mean the Applications menu?09:43
WaxyFreshyup09:43
WaxyFreshi want the whole bar gone clock applications etc09:44
grazieWaxyFresh: and you've done right click > remove09:44
graziegrazie: you'll need to do the same for each applet09:44
WaxyFreshi run mainly in term09:45
WaxyFreshjust rried that09:45
WaxyFreshall im left with is xchat09:45
WaxyFreshtried*09:45
WaxyFreshbrb09:45
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WaxyFreshits gone09:47
WaxyFreshthanks i just had to close xchat and then the bar dissapered09:47
graziemany setings are cached09:48
graziese*ttings09:48
graziesettings* (tut tut)09:48
WaxyFreshis there a way to make my desktop backgroung a terminal?09:49
graziesounds like you don't really want X at all lol09:49
WaxyFreshhow do i view the running procesess?09:50
grazieps aux (is a favourite)09:50
WaxyFreshim still learning so id like to keep a graphic display for the things i cant do from term09:50
graziehtop is a great package for monitoring processes09:50
WaxyFreshopps i meant services09:51
WaxyFreshlike bluetooth etc09:51
WaxyFreshgraphical09:51
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WaxyFreshtheres autostarted apps on the menu but i dont think thats it09:52
Qewwell, you can control services using BUM (Boot-Up Manager)09:53
WaxyFreshis that in the normal repos?09:53
WaxyFreshive used it before09:53
WaxyFreshnm i found it09:53
Qewif you want something for the console, look for sysv-rc09:57
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WaxyFresh!atd10:03
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about atd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:03
WaxyFreshwhats atd do it says for schedualing of jobs,do i need that if i dont have the computer set up to run anything at a certian time?10:04
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h3sp4wnWaxyFresh: my (current) favourite is - ps -efH10:07
WaxyFreshatd,dbus,mdadm, are the three things im not sure about needing what do you think i need out of those do i need?10:07
Naughtyboymaxamillion, : u here..?10:08
maxamillionNaughtyboy: yup10:08
maxamillionNaughtyboy: what's up?10:08
Naughtyboymaxamillion, : hi ...sorry to bother u again..but I got a question about what we talk about yestarday...manually installing xfce e.t.c10:09
Naughtyboymaxamillion, : was readin on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems10:10
maxamillionNaughtyboy: ah, yes ... go ahead10:10
maxamillionoh wow ... didn't know they had a page like this10:11
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Naughtyboymaxamillion, : and at the end the susggest some "lightweight systems" ....but they don't say anything about installing xserver-xorg wich you suggested yesterday....so my question is...is it essential to my system..?10:11
Naughtyboymaxamillion, : now don't missunderstand me..I don't mean to undermine your suggestions....just wan't to make sure..10:12
maxamillionNaughtyboy: well i suggested it in terms of using debian's sarge distro but i believe that with both debian10:12
maxamillionbah!10:12
Naughtyboy???...10:13
maxamillionNaughtyboy: i believe with using aptitude to install xorg it will pull xserver-xorg as a dependency10:13
Naughtyboyaha..OK....I see...10:13
maxamillion:)10:13
NaughtyboyOK...thnx a bunch.....I've desided to do it tomorrow..10:14
maxamillionor maybe as a recommended package .. but either way, you need it10:14
maxamillionah ok, awesome10:14
Naughtyboyit's 22:14 PM here i sweden....little late to start fideling with now....oterwise I would have done it now10:14
maxamillionNaughtyboy: ah, fair enough10:15
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WaxyFreshatd,dbus,mdadm, are the three things im not sure about needing what do you guys think i need out of those do i need?10:16
h3sp4wnYou don't need xserver-xorg (if you look at whats in it)10:17
WaxyFreshhuh?10:17
Naughtyboyit'll be interesting to se how the response to the relase will be the next couple of days.....with problems e.t.c10:17
Naughtyboyh3sp4wn, : yeah..?10:17
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h3sp4wnNaughtyboy: run dpkg -L xserver-xorg (nothing useful inside it)10:18
h3sp4wnor dlocate -L xserver-xorg (I use dlocate now)10:18
maxamillionh3sp4wn: interesting ... it used to be required to get X to work... but that was in debian sarge and sarge used xfree86 ... alot has changed since then :P10:19
davmor2has anyone here done a fresh install of feisty?  I have just done a netboot on an old system and firefox seems to missing it's homepage.10:19
h3sp4wnmaxamillion: actually maybe it has the dpkg-reconfigure stuff inside it10:20
h3sp4wnin /usr/lib/dpkg10:20
maxamillionmeh10:20
h3sp4wnI don't have it installed anyway10:21
maxamillionfair enough10:22
NaughtyboyI have...according to synaptic10:22
Howdy125davmor2, my feisty install is a day and a half old.10:22
h3sp4wnNaughtyboy: I just keep the minimum I need installed (means I get less broken stuff on unstable systems)10:23
davmor2Howdy125:  is your firefox missing it's homepage?10:23
Naughtyboyh3sp4wn, : so I won't get in to trouble configuring stuff..like keybord, mouse or whatever..if I don't install xserver-xorg..?10:24
Howdy125davmor2, this is the defualt page I get .. file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html .. it's on the computer.10:24
h3sp4wnNaughtyboy: no you need - xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd - a video driver fonts10:25
h3sp4wnthe metapackages just make it easier but install every driver10:26
WaxyFreshthe service usplash that just shows the splash screen right?10:26
maxamillionWaxyFresh: yes10:27
davmor2Howdy125: that's okay then thanks the ubuntu-artwork folder is missing from my netboot install thanks for the info10:27
Howdy125davmor2, np .. yw10:27
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WaxyFreshwhta does atd do?it says it scheduals jobs but whats that mean?10:28
WaxyFreshif i dont know what atd is can i remove it?10:28
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malnilionDoes anybody know a good tool to enable monitor mode on the fly?  I'm on a laptop with s-video out and I have an nvidia card.10:46
maxamillionmalnilion: yeah, the nvidia drivers in feisty allow that ... just run "sudo nvidia-settings" and its in there (iirc)10:48
malnilionOh, that's really cool, maxamillion, thanks :)10:50
maxamillionnp :)10:50
malnilionAh, I'm going to have to restart xwindows when I enable it.  Oh well, that's what I've been doing already.10:50
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malnilionSweet, this is exactly what I needed.10:54
McMad1I'm new to Xubuntu (and still a linux newbie too) and can't figure out how to connect to a samba share. Any hints?10:57
maxamillionMcMad1: its not entirely a walk in the park because there isn't built in support as of yet10:58
McMad1Ah, maybe that explains why I can't find it. I remember on Ubuntu it was easy as pie??10:58
maxamillionMcMad1: yeah, its built into nautilus10:59
McMad1So the fastes way to get to my files on another networked system would be ftp or something.11:00
malnilionBuilt into konqueror too, I think?11:00
malnilionThere's an application xsamba or something11:00
McMad1Or install an equivalent of nautilus...11:00
malnilionThat might help you as well11:00
Naughtyboyguys...according to synaptic I don't have volman nor gnome-volume-manager installed...is there any other volume-manager that could be used in xubuntu..?11:01
malnilionxsmbrowser11:01
maxamillionMcMad1: yeah, ftp or install something like linneighborhood, pyneighborhood, fusesmb, etc11:01
malnilionNaughtyboy, just use alsa-mixer?11:01
Howdy125I just use the applet Naughtyboy11:02
malnilionFark, I'm sorry11:02
malnilionI didn't understand what you meant, Naughtyboy, lol11:02
Naughtyboymalnilion, : ehh..?!?!..I'm not taling about audio volume.....11:02
Naughtyboyhahha11:02
malnilionYeah, you got me there11:02
Howdy125oh .. sorry then Naughtyboy11:02
Naughtyboyhahah.....guys...haha11:03
Naughtyboytalking about a thing that keeps track of removable media..like usb sotrage and stuff..11:04
Naughtyboyautomounting hdd e.t.c11:04
somerville32I'm pretty sure Xubuntu uses a modified version of gnome-volume-manager11:04
somerville32In Feisty atleast11:04
Naughtyboyok..11:04
somerville32What are you running?11:05
somerville32Edgy?11:05
Naughtyboyalthou it has thunar-volman-plugin installed11:05
NaughtyboyFiesty11:05
McMad1I'll give linneighborhood a go, tnx for the tips..11:05
malnilionYeah, what do you need, Naughtyboy? I know stuff automounts for me and that's all I've needed.11:05
somerville32Naughtyboy, Is volume management not occuring at all?11:05
somerville32Like, if you plug in a usb thumb drive, does it appear on the desktop?11:06
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Naughtyboyyeah it is....I'm about to do an server install...the manually install everything I need...to make my system more slimlined e.e.tc...so I'm browsing synaptic to check what I possibly could need11:06
Naughtyboyand this volume-managment just occured to me...as I have 2 storage SATA drives I want to be able to automount11:07
Howdy125Naughtyboy, in Desktop Preferences .. Behavior .. is the removable devices checked ?11:07
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NaughtyboyHowdy125, : read my 2 last posts11:08
Howdy125oh .. sorry again .. hehe11:08
Naughtyboyeverything woks fine atm...11:08
Naughtyboynp m811:08
malnilionNaughtyboy, I'm not sure precisely which package you would need to get automounting working in xubuntu, but I suspect it's thunar-volman-plugin11:10
Naughtyboyjust double checking on things so I don't get any unfortunate surprises..11:11
Naughtyboymalnilion, : I would guess that to..11:11
malnilionUnderstandable, understandable :)11:11
Naughtyboythunar-volman and thunar-volman-plugin should do it..11:11
malnilionThere are some things I don't like about thunar, but I like it for the most part11:11
Naughtyboyyeah..me to.....I've been thinking about xfe11:12
NaughtyboyI like the dual panel view....like Total Commander in winblows...11:12
malnilionIndeed, I would like tabbed panels, I think.11:13
Naughtyboybeen using that for a very long time...so it would be nice to be able use it again11:13
malnilionI find myself with like 3 thunar windows open at once and get annoyed.11:13
Naughtyboymalnilion, ; then try installing xfe..it's in the repos11:13
malnilionThanks for the suggestion :)11:13
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malnilionI'm going to assume xubuntu-desktop depends on thunar, though, and not worry about uninstalling thunar.11:15
Naughtyboywell....I'm not sure...but it mostlikley will be in the metapackage "xubuntu-desktop"...so it will complain and mabye suggest that you remove som other stuff due to dependcies11:17
Naughtyboyerr dependencies11:17
malnilionYeah, hehe11:18
malnilionOkay, so xfe looks sort of ugly...11:18
maxamillionxfe? .. the file manager?11:19
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=== maxamillion wasn't aware the xfe file manager was still around
malnilionmaxamillion, here's a question you'll probably know the answer to.  I keep hearing about new easy codec management in Feisty.  Is there some application I should be looking for?11:21
maxamillionmalnilion: no, its supposed to be a meta package11:22
maxamillion!codecs11:22
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats11:22
malnilionAh, okay then11:22
maxamillion:)11:22
malnilionI have the meta package installed11:22
malnilionRestrictedFormats + Medibuntu = good :D11:23
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Naughtyboymalnilion, : well but you can change xfe and make it look prettier..if just take your time and look at the settings..11:34
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malnilionOkay, another question which the answer might seem obvious to.  Is nvidia-glx-new newer than nvidia-glx and what is the reason for separating this package?11:43
maxamillionmalnilion: not sure, but i think it has something to do with the new inclusion of a nvidia-glx-legacy package11:45
malnilionI was pretty sure the legacy package had been around...11:45
h3sp4wn9755 - 9631 - 7184?11:46
h3sp4wnthe cards legacy supports are ancient11:46
h3sp4wnsome slightly less old are support by just nvidia-glx - and the new ones by -new11:46
malnilionAh, so there's really no reason for me to get the -new unless I have a new nvidia card?11:48
malnilionThat would make sense11:48
h3sp4wnI found it more stable with mine but if 9631 is stable on your card performance is not much different11:49
malnilionYeah, I'm running a GeForce GO 760011:49
h3sp4wnnew should be fine11:50
h3sp4wn(I use 7300GT)11:50
maxamillioni run a 7900gtx on nvidia-glx and everything is fine12:02
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