=== jgamio [n=jgamio@201.208.46.105] has left #xubuntu [] === mrsno [n=sno@unaffiliated/sn0] has joined #xubuntu === bur[n] er_ [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === {uX}Vamp`DuneZzZ [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === {uX}Vamp`DuneZzZ [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === godless [n=rob@dormir.dreaming.org] has joined #xubuntu [12:55] Hi. [12:55] hello [12:55] HELLO! [12:55] I would like to listen to a daap server from my xubuntu machine. I have found a lot of info about how to run a daap server, but I just want to listen... can anybody point me in the right direction? [12:56] I have installed rhythmbox [12:56] I think I need avahi..? [12:56] there are roughly 21937192837198 avahi packages though so I don't know where to start. === cellofellow [n=josh@69.71.169.180] has joined #xubuntu [12:58] godless: what's a daap server? [12:58] er. [12:58] It's the itunes network music sharing nonsense [12:58] 21,937,192,837,198 ~23 trillion avahi packages? [12:59] Merchelo: I stopped counting after 21 trillion, but I think my estimate is close. [12:59] !daap [12:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about daap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [12:59] !avahi [12:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:00] Hm. [01:00] Is it case sensitive? [01:00] !Avahi [01:01] No, it's just not a factoid. [01:02] Avahi is an Implementation the DNS Service Discovery and Multicast DNS specifications for Zeroconf Networking. It uses D-Bus for communication between user applications and a system daemon. The daemon is used to coordinate application efforts in caching replies, necessary to minimize the traffic imposed on networks. [01:02] Jeez, get with it ubotu/ [01:02] avahi is the linux implementation of Zeroconf, which Apple implements as Bonjour for both Mac and WinXP. [01:02] godless you will need the avahi-daemon package [01:03] I use normal DNS, but it would be nice to be able to use Zeroconf for service discovery even when it doesn't set up the hostnames. [01:03] mt-daapd is another popular option also [01:04] mrsno: I am not trying to run the server here. I am trying to 'discover' it. [01:04] Oh. [01:04] yes its used for discovery as well :) [01:04] Yeah that was the 'Oh.' :) Looking into it, thanks. [01:04] no problem [01:06] anybody know how to get an Audio CD to show on the desktop? I think it's a hald setting somewhere. [01:06] cellofellow: should just do so automatically, and yeah ... i would imagine that would be handled by HAL or might be something to do with xfdesktop4 net seeing that hal detected it [01:07] cd-roms show, not audio cd's though. [01:07] mrsno: It gets more complicated. The daap server is on the intarweb, not local. Is there a way to point avahi-daemon at it? avahi-daemon.conf? [01:10] cellofellow: wait ... lemme double check, i swore audio cds did too [01:12] godless hmm im not sure to be honest, maybe some client to connect instead? [01:12] cellofellow: yeah, shows up on my desktop ... just says "Audio CD" under it though [01:12] something like "Tangerine" maybe [01:13] Tangerine is Tango icons in orange. [01:13] mrsno: Thought about that too, will check it out. A friend is running a daap server on some webspace, I would like to connect... the web has been pretty limited assistance so far. [01:13] But I don't see myself using iTunes, so I'll figure something out :) [01:13] tangerine is also a daap publish tool/client :) [01:14] you can set the player you use to listen in it, but i haven't used it myself so maybe someone who has used daap will be able to clarify :) [01:14] I've never actually used it (jumping in at the deep end as ever) -- I imagine once avahi is seeing the server the shares will turn up in rhythmbox, which is itunes-ish enough to give me the heebiejeebies anyway [01:15] there doesn't seem to be a working xmms daap plugin though [01:15] i was under the assumption daap is for local discovery [01:15] I believe it's meant to be. [01:16] things like icecast/shoutcast instead maybe :) [01:16] However he's got it working in windows/itunes so I'm gonna do my damnedest to get it working here too [01:16] Exaile rocks as a jukebox. I don't think there is daap functionality or a daap plugin, but it could be made to work. [01:16] never accept defeat and all that. [01:16] I think with daap you should be able to pick the remote songs you want to hear rather than listening to a stream. [01:18] iTunes doesn't let you browse daap shares that aren't on the lan so he set up a proxy to redirect localhost:#### to the remote server. I'm trying to do the same with avahi.hosts but I'm clumsy. [01:19] booo itunes [01:19] Couldn't agree more. [01:19] try the /etc/hosts file [01:19] i have seen it wipe many an ipod [01:19] :)) [01:19] cellofellow: Yeah? Or /etc/avahi/hosts? [01:20] /etc/hosts you can set host aliases. [01:20] anyone tried fluxbox ..?? === cellofellow raises hand [01:21] yea fluxbox is nice [01:21] Naughtyboy: i spent a couple years on it a few years back [01:21] fluxbox is full of win and goodness [01:21] whats your take on it..?? [01:22] simple [01:22] Naughtyboy: i think its a really good window manager, but its rather minimalistic [01:22] easy to play with [01:22] love tabs [01:22] read abit about it and in the forums on fluxbuntu.org .....dam it's ALOOOOT configs there.. [01:23] I'm very curious about it...but I'm not sure if I'm ready for that muck config haXXing [01:23] err much [01:33] Naughtyboy: well, it holds a semi-elitist ideal to it in the sense that to accomplish alot of the configurations you have to go editing text files and keep compliant with their syntax for the configs .... or atleast it was when i used it, they might have added some gui stuff since i stopped using it [01:35] OK...I like the simplicity and to some extent the minimalistic interface.....but I don't know....I kind of want to be able to acutally use my system to...not spending all my time configuring it...hehe [01:35] well well.....time will tell [01:36] yeah, its kinda a "how much control do you really want" factor [01:37] Naughtyboy: which is why for my daily desktop operational use, i think xfce offers me the perfect balance of all aspects of a desktop environment [01:40] maxamillion, : yeah xfce is very nice in that aspect....it's well balanced...however I still think it has unnecessarily much packages and services...at least to my usage.. [01:41] maby I should try going for a server install...then manually add what I want.. [01:42] Naughtyboy: well i think alot of what you are thinking "xfce" is actually "xubuntu" ... if you were to install a debian etch base system and then just install X and xfce, i think you would find it is quite "light" [01:48] maxamillion, : a question about manual install .....if I do a "sudo apt-get install xorg xfce4 xdm" ...or gdm or what ever login manager...do I havet to edit something...or can I just startx and login to X ...assuming I have all driver installed and configured..?? [01:52] Naughtyboy: yeah, it should just work without configuration [01:52] Naughtyboy: you will also need xserver-xorg [01:53] so "sudo aptitude install xorg xserver-xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies gdm" (xfce4-goodies is a package with all the panel plugins and stuff) [01:56] OK....well...I don't use ANY other plugin except wfce-mixer if the counts as a panel plugin....but thanks for the headsup...think I'll give that a try.... [01:56] okies [01:56] anyhoo... i'm getting off work .. bbl [02:07] http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/hprajani/phun/disk.jpg [02:10] haha === moparisthebest [n=FBI@cpe-69-133-96-111.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:20] Merchelo, *lol* === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #xubuntu [02:53] !mp3 [02:53] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats === Kresjah [n=a@ti231210a080-8550.bb.online.no] has joined #xubuntu === darren1 [n=darren@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === aidanr [n=aidanr@83.147.134.5] has joined #xubuntu === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #xubuntu === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.222.248.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:37] yo all [03:38] yo yo [03:39] yo === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-220-136.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === soweto76 [n=jack@d226-43-189.home.cgocable.net] has joined #xubuntu === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #xubuntu === cody [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034073142.nb.aliant.net] has joined #xubuntu === Ramla [n=ramla@a88-115-147-170.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #xubuntu === soweto76 [n=jack@d226-43-189.home.cgocable.net] has joined #xubuntu === BFTD [n=thomas@unaffiliated/bftd] has joined #xubuntu === darren1 [n=darren@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === moparisthebest [n=FBI@cpe-69-133-96-111.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-154-188.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === LastMall [n=here@adsl-70-232-83-191.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === amsmith42hs [n=adams@p248n30.ruraltel.net] has joined #xubuntu === LastMall [n=here@adsl-70-232-83-191.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === honkytonkwillie [n=honkyton@153-211-237-24.gci.net] has joined #xubuntu === boris55 [n=richards@19.charlotte-02rh16rt-03rh15rt.nc.dial-access.att.net] has joined #xubuntu === Brylie [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-108-73.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === uranther [n=james@74-138-15-250.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #xubuntu === limbert65 [n=limbert6@65-73-120-46.nas1.ski.ia.frontiernet.net] has joined #xubuntu === bigfuzzyjesus [n=bigfuzzy@unaffiliated/bigfuzzyjesus] has joined #xubuntu === Will^Draven [n=willdrav@cpe-066-026-043-000.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === iNoob [n=ubuntu@69.106.56.245] has joined #xubuntu === januszeal [n=Ayato@65.99.218.179] has joined #xubuntu [05:26] Hi [05:28] Im about to install xubuntu on my laptop, and being a linux noob, im worried about hardware issues (mostly wifi) === cellofellow [n=josh@69.71.169.180] has joined #xubuntu === maxamillion [n=adam@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:52] januszeal: There's a useful list of supported cards (along with what it takes to make them work) at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported === soweto76 [n=jack@d226-43-189.home.cgocable.net] has joined #xubuntu === OGDA [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.221.30.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu === neozen [n=neozen@c-67-186-66-137.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [06:56] yo === Catoptromancy [n=Catoptro@fl-71-1-246-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:11] meep === neozen [n=neozen@c-67-186-66-137.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #xubuntu [] === honkytonkwillie [n=honkyton@153-211-237-24.gci.net] has left #xubuntu [] [07:17] no updates today? :( === BFTD [n=Commande@unaffiliated/bftd] has joined #xubuntu [07:27] !ati [07:27] To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto === Selenolycus [n=Coir@ip-129-15-131-252.fescfwsm.ou.edu] has joined #xubuntu [07:44] Xubuntu ueber alles! === tuna-fish [n=tuna@tunamasiina.kortex.jyu.fi] has joined #xubuntu === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5F391.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu === tuna-fish [n=tuna@tunamasiina.kortex.jyu.fi] has joined #xubuntu === stork [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu === LastMall [n=here@adsl-70-232-47-194.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === tuxcrafter [n=tuxcraft@145.52.123.218] has joined #xubuntu [09:32] how do i create a new .bashrc that was in the user folder by default === aussieman [n=bobo@33.Red-83-32-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [09:40] tuxcrafter: you mean a new *empty* one, or a default one with stuff in it to replace one you deleted? [09:41] to replace [09:41] i want the default one back [09:41] cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/ [09:41] ok thanks [09:41] np [09:41] i want to be able to use a specific permission mask in a specific directory how can i do this? i know that you can set a global mask in your .bashrc but how about a specific mask in for a specific folder? [09:47] not sure.. you mean like umask? [09:48] yea [09:48] darren1: use a specif umaks in when the user want to create a file or dir in a specific directory [09:51] understood.. just don't know how [09:51] umask command doesn't allow it. === darren1 is now known as darrend [09:53] tuxcrafter: you could set the sticky bit on the directory with chmod to force all files/dirs in there to be created with the same gid [09:54] don't know if that helps [09:54] darrend: yea it does [09:54] i was already looking at the sticky bit [09:55] using a chmod of 6771 now [09:56] The first digit selects the set user ID [09:56] (4) and set group ID (2) and sticky (1) attributes. [09:56] can you explain that in more detail please :-P [09:57] i only what that every file or dir have a rw on the group attribute [10:01] chmod 2770 on the directory will mean all files created in that directory will have the same gid as the directory itself and that the directory cannot be read outside the owner and group. global umask will still apply. [10:01] I think [10:01] :) [10:03] mkdir test && chmod 2770 test && touch test/hello && ls -al test/ [10:04] chgrp admin test/ && touch test/hello2 && ls -al test/ [10:04] that help? === _aussieman- [n=bobo@33.Red-83-32-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [10:07] darrend: sticky bit is not the solution now i can delete and rename the file but i can not change it :-P [10:08] did you set the uid as well as the gid? [10:08] what chmod did you put on the directory? [10:09] type in the commands I showed a minute ago.. that will allow you to change the file as you'll still be the owner of it [10:10] darrend: yeas [10:10] but when i create a file the group wil be only r not rw [10:11] sticky bit is a bit special :-P [10:11] really need a umask for a predefined directory [10:11] permissions on the file you create come from umask, not the sticky bit on the directory [10:11] darrend: exactly [10:12] what exactly do you need this for? [10:12] maybe another way [10:12] shared project [10:12] directorys [10:12] that are only accessible bye a specif group [10:13] er, make the chmod on the root of the project directory to be 770 === grazie [n=grazie@host86-139-105-119.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [10:14] then no-one other than the group will see anything in it or be able to do anything in it [10:16] darrend: yes with chmod i can get everyting fine but when a user creates a new file or folder it uses its own umask and things will be not accessibly again [10:16] what?? What do you mean "things will be not accessibly again" === _aussieman [n=bobo@33.Red-83-32-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [10:18] (brb) [10:20] you can see it with the command you posted your self [10:20] darrend: if you set chmod all file and folders will be correct on that moment [10:20] but if a user creates a new file or folder it will have a new umask with the wrong permissions === albert [n=albert@e176000221.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #xubuntu [10:28] what's the command for the xfce process-manager? [10:39] albert: xfce4-taskmanager [10:39] but beter user htop [10:39] sudo apt-get install htop [10:39] thank you. can you explain the difference? [10:39] <_aussieman> anyone had any probs with xsane on fesity - it worked for me a week ago but now wont find any devices [10:40] albert: look for yourself [10:40] albert: it is pretty self explaining [10:40] <_aussieman> tuxcrafter, SELF EXPLANATORY [10:40] _aussieman: thanks for the correction self explanatory [10:41] <_aussieman> thats ok [10:41] <_aussieman> i was being pedantic [10:41] <_aussieman> any ideas on xsane [10:41] nop not tested it yet [10:41] <_aussieman> ok [10:41] k, pretty much self expaining ;) [10:41] thank you [10:41] _aussieman: do you have hplip loaded? [10:41] <_aussieman> i think so [10:41] before starting xsane [10:42] sudo /etc/init.d/hplip restart [10:42] <_aussieman> yep i got it [10:42] _aussieman: it is only for hp devices! dont now what your device is [10:42] <_aussieman> no still no devices found [10:42] <_aussieman> its hp [10:43] <_aussieman> i have hp [10:43] <_aussieman> i had it working [10:43] lsusb? [10:43] <_aussieman> out of the box [10:43] <_aussieman> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 03f0:5511 Hewlett-Packard [10:43] <_aussieman> i presume === carloska [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-a6047bce8c45937d] has joined #xubuntu [10:43] <_aussieman> ill keep playing later i have to call soemone now === squirrelpimp [n=squirrel@2001:6f8:915:0:230:1bff:feb9:742b] has joined #xubuntu === {uX}l`VampyrCeil [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [11:43] how do i create a directory specific umask? [11:45] tuxcrafter: that makes no sense - what permissions do you want it to have? More to the point, what EXACTLY are you trying to achieve> [11:45] ? [11:45] if the users want different default permissions, tell them to change their umask in .bashrc [11:46] or tell them to change the files after they create them [11:46] if you protect top level directories correctly, no-one will be able to see the files in them anyway.. regardless of what permissions the files have [11:47] darrend: if a user creates a file in /home/$user/ it should have a mask of 600 if a user creates a file in /home/$user/share/ it should have a mask of 660 and this must go automatically so no manual chmods. [11:49] why are you sharing project folders from inside a users home? [11:49] why not setup /projects/whatever [11:49] and grant permissions on that to the group === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-32-39.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [11:51] darrend the problem will be the same [11:51] darrend directory specific umask [11:51] I can't know that - you won't tell me what you actually want to achieve in terms of who can do what [11:52] you just keep going on about dir specific umask which you can't do [11:52] darrend: if a user creates a file in /home/$user/ it should have a mask of 600 if a user creates a file in /share/ it should have a mask of 660 and this must go automatically so no manual chmods. [11:52] see same problem [11:52] no, that's just a copy/paste of what you said a minute ago [11:53] sorry, I can't help you 'cos you won't tell me what you want the end result to be [11:54] darrend: i want different file permissions on different locations [11:54] so if a user does a touch file.txt it should have different permissions depending on the configuration [11:55] that's not an end result. That's a step to achieving one. [11:56] if you create a file with world readable permissions in a directory, then change that directory (chmod o-rwx), no-one can see that file unless they have access to the directory. EVEN IF the file still has world readable permissions [11:56] i want to have a group of people that can work together in a shared directory they login with ssh [11:56] perfectly possible to do [11:57] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> what's the Xfce equivalent to gconf-editor? :x [11:57] and the users must have automatic file permissions in a specif folder [11:57] set up your share, give the group ownership, put your users in that group, make their umask 0022, make sure their ~/ dirs are chmod (go-rwx), job done [11:57] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> or if it's easier to just up and tell me how to remove the items on my desktop, that'd work too [11:57] darrend no that is the current sittuation [11:58] then you already DO have a share that a group can access and work on] [11:58] if they make a file in a other directory than that file will have a umask of 0022 also [11:58] so what??? [11:58] i dont want that [11:58] it has to be top secure [11:58] protect the directory those files are in if that's an issue [11:58] why is that so hard to do? [11:59] i what automatic file premissons that are specified in a directory [11:59] i really need a break now [11:59] if you log into a box as root and create a file in /root with your umask set to 0022, does that mean all users can see that file?? No, of course not [11:59] getting mad now so time to get some air [12:00] well, you can't do it as far as I know [12:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> nm i found it [12:00] {uX}l`VampyrCeil, You want Settings->Workspace (I think that's it) to disable desktop icons? [12:00] i will be back in 45 minutes [12:00] ah, ok :) [12:00] darrend: thanks for your time i really appreciate it [12:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> right click on desktop and settings in there ^^ [12:00] see you later [12:00] so you must have some amazing requirements that no-one else ever in the history of Unix has ever had [12:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> thanks tho kalikiana o/ [12:00] {uX}l`VampyrCeil, :) === LastMall [n=here@adsl-70-232-38-206.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === T`2 [i=total@pdpc/supporter/student/T] has joined #xubuntu === carloska [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-67e49b1bb8159158] has joined #xubuntu === {uX}l`VampyrCeil [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === BadSneakers [n=here@adsl-70-232-33-78.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === __Krush [n=chatzill@mail.compex.edu.mt] has joined #xubuntu [12:48] anyone know what the default Eterm font is, and whether the xfce terminal can be made to use it? [12:48] I really like the clean look of the Eterm font, but want to use xfce's terminal which is better functionally :) [01:01] darrend: i am back [01:02] I am finding rhythmbox unfathomably slow to load, even with an empty library it takes minutes before the window appears... I have a lot of codecs installed just now but this was true before I added any of them... any thoughts? [01:03] godless, Is switching the player an option? [01:03] no errors popping up when I run it from a terminal either, just a blank screen for ages... === {uX}l`VampyrCeil [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:04] kalikiana: I'm using it for its daap capabilities so I suppose banshee or (I believe?) amarok are options... [01:05] darrend: i will use the umask 006 it will work its not perfect but i dont have time anymore i will look at acl's some other time to see if i can get directory specific umask rules [01:06] But since it works so smoothly in rhythmbox, once it finally loads at least, I am hesitant to switch if I can sort this out... === tuxcrafter [n=tuxcraft@145.52.123.218] has left #xubuntu [] [01:06] It's not even using any cpu while it waits to start... [01:06] godless, About daap specifically I cannot say a thing I fear, so hopefully somebody else has an idea. [01:07] godless, You could try strace? [01:07] strace? sorry, I'm unfamiliar... [01:07] !strace [01:07] Sorry, I don't know anything about strace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:10] !info strace [01:10] strace: A system call tracer. In component main, is standard. Version 4.5.14-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 92 kB, installed size 248 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh sparc) [01:10] godless, It shows every single system call and *maybe* you see WHERE it is holding its breath? [01:11] kalikiana: thanks. I'll fiddle. === albert [n=albert@e176000221.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #xubuntu [01:11] It's just an idea because the actual problem is unknown, I hope it helps a bit :) [01:12] daap isn't the problem either, it happens if I don't load the avahi-daemon either. [01:12] aaaaanyway. [01:12] maybe some sleep will elucidate. [01:12] Good night. [01:12] godless, good night :) [01:12] Well. Morning. :/ [01:14] hey, is there sth like kdesu with xubuntu? or can you tell me a light-weight verison? [01:15] albert sudo on its own [01:16] or sudo thunar to open the file manager as sudo [01:16] or gksudo [01:16] 'Thunar' [01:16] I'm all for case sensitivity but sometimes... grr.. :) [01:16] ye, i'm trying do make a menu entry for shutdown [01:16] :-) [01:16] (in fluxbox) [01:17] albert, gksudo == kdesu ;) [01:17] and i'm running it on a xubuntu installation [01:17] k, thx ;) [01:17] !info gksudo [01:17] Package gksudo does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas === {uX}l`VampyrCeil [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === michaelpo [n=presario@60.53.35.237] has joined #xubuntu [01:17] ubotu, u are stoopid :P [01:17] what software do i use to erase cdrw disc? [01:17] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> how do i start the x window manager or whatever? [01:18] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> beryl messed my shit up and i have no titlebars -_- [01:18] michaelpo, xfburn or graveman [01:18] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i don't even want to mess with beryl anymore, i just want my titlebars :( [01:18] Amarok uses kde libraries. I know xubuntu is optimized for gtk but... how exactly will this slow down my system? [01:18] {uX}l`VampyrCeil, You mean XFCE's window manager? That would be 'xfwm4'. Press Akt+F2 and type 'xfwm4'. :) [01:19] kalikiana? i need to download that? is there any preinstalled software in ubuntu? [01:19] michaelpo, xfburn *should be preinstalled I believe? [01:19] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> you're a god, kalikiana [01:19] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> XD [01:20] godless, The first kde app will load the whole lot of kde/qt libraries for itself alone. If you have more than one, divide the 'waste' of memory. [01:20] {uX}l`VampyrCeil, :) [01:20] bleh [01:21] kalikiana: Will they be in memory even if I don't have Amarok (or whatever first kde app) running? [01:21] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: using nVidia card? [01:22] I can live with the disk space. [01:22] godless, Nope. If no kde program is running, memory will be free again. [01:22] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> darrend, yeah :x [01:22] godless, Just that one program will use *unusually* much memory. [01:23] Gotcha. [01:23] try adding the following 2 options to your "Device" section in xorg.conf.. [01:23] Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True" [01:23] Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" [01:23] {uX}l`VampyrCeil: then restart GDM and give Beryl another go [01:25] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> thanks, but as i said in #beryl, i feel a headache coming on, and the hippie in me hates headaches; i got the site for installing beryl to Feisty on an nvidia bookmarked, so i'll try again later [01:25] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i've just been up for too long to fight stuff at the moment :x [01:25] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> much appreciated, tho [01:26] I had the same problem and that fixed it for me [01:26] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> the lack of titlebars wasn't even with beryl running; that was after i tried to run it and killed it [01:26] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> because when i started beryl, i got a blank white screen [01:26] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x [01:26] ah [01:27] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> middle click + move got me to a screen with a red design and a gem on it, but that was laggy [01:27] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> couldn't get to my apps :x [01:28] found the solution, nautilus will erase the cdrw, before writing new iso.... [01:29] michaelpo: sounds like you are running ubuntu, not xubuntu... === carloska [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-928938105eb37280] has joined #xubuntu [01:32] godless: yes, ubuntu... i just downloaded xubuntu to install into my p2 notebook... [01:33] michaelpo: This will explain why you couldn't find xfburn. [01:33] It is installed by default with xubuntu; I don't believe this is the case with straight ubuntu. [01:34] !Exaile [01:34] Sorry, I don't know anything about exaile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:34] nyur. [01:34] !info exaile [01:34] Package exaile does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas [01:35] godless, !info is for packages ;) [01:38] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> just out of curiousity, is there a way to take away "Applications", and just have the Xubuntu icon there? [01:38] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x [01:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it doesn't even bother me at all, i just think it'd be nice to just have the icon :p [01:43] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> setxkbmap option -us compose:rwin <=- does that look right to "make right windows key 'compose'"? [01:43] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i think i've just about got the command memorised, but i'm not sure <_< [01:44] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> and there is no --help or -h o_O [01:46] gksudo shutdown -h now isn't working for me :( [01:47] it just gives me the gksudo --help output === michaelpo [n=presario@60.53.35.237] has left #xubuntu [] === william [n=chatzill@c211-30-149-97.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === william [n=chatzill@c211-30-149-97.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [02:05] sudo shutdown -h now [02:06] This will instantly shutdown the computer. Don't post that here, without a comment. [02:11] yeah, sorry, was trying to help out albert, but it seems he left already. [02:12] Merchelo, You never know who reads it by chance and just tries it out. No offence meant. :) [02:13] just out of curiosity, what command would it be to make the shutdown panel, with the options on it to appear? [02:16] no matter, it would be an xfce specific question. [02:16] Merchelo, I'm not sure what you mean. There is a plugin which displays buttons on the panel. [02:17] And this *is* #xubuntu, so xfce is okay :) === Slick [n=Slick@77-99-105-148.cable.ubr15.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === Ripso [n=Ripso@91.84.96.129] has joined #xubuntu === Lord_Maynoth_42 [n=chatzill@h12.48.28.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:38] could anyone here help me please? I trying to help fix a bug with the newest kernel... and the AMD 690G chipset [02:38] seems the bug was introduced after 2.6.20RC5 [02:38] they want me to recomplile and test each RC after that [02:38] :/ === Gaz [n=Gary@user-5443ab02.lns5-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [02:45] omg I hate windows file shares [02:46] I mounted some in pyneighbourhood some time back [02:46] Now I cannot unmount them [02:46] I believe this is my rythmbox problem === michaelpo [n=presario@60.53.35.237] has joined #xubuntu [02:49] when I try to rm -rf the mount point I get: [02:49] rm: cannot lstat `.smbmnt//SILVER/movies': Input/output error [02:50] i've downloaded xubuntu6.10, when i tried to install, it cannot detect my external cdrom teac2405, i've searched the forum, nothing, i've tried damnsmalllinux, it detected, i think maybe kernal2.4 works on the cdrom? does older xubuntu based on kernel2.4? how do i download that old xubuntu? [02:50] Lord_Maynoth_42: not sure what your problems is. Someone is trying to fix a bug for you and is asking you to test the change. Am I missing something? [02:51] well im stupid [02:51] I don't have a clue how to recomplile the RC6 and RC7 kernels of 2.6.20 [02:51] :/ [02:51] :o [02:52] there is bug with with the 32bit version and the amd690 chipset... [02:52] Lord_Maynoth_42: I'm sure you're not stupid, do you want a guide to compile the kernel? [02:52] sure... but once I get it recompiled... how do I make it into a liveCD? [02:52] :/ [02:52] michaelpo: your problem is probably due to usb or fw support is the kernel [02:53] Lord_Maynoth_42: if you can't build your own live cd (again not to hard really these days) you'll have to wait for the release [02:54] grazie: xubuntu failed to detect the cdrom... but can load the kernel on bootup, but halfway through the installation, it failed to recognise the cdrom... [02:54] grazie: how to fix this? [02:54] are their guides to building livecd's [02:54] i think he might be able to, grazie, but doesn't know how [02:54] grazie what if fw? [02:55] Lord_Maynoth_42: yes, but I'd have to google so you'd be quick as me... [02:55] michaelpo: fw = firewire [02:55] what terms do I search for? [02:56] it is acer p2 laptop, around 10yrs old... no firewire.... [02:56] Lord_Maynoth_42: I'd do something like "build linux live cd" also dreamlinux comes with a tool to do this. ..can't remember the name [02:57] thanks! [02:57] michaelpo: can you boot from any cd? [02:57] do you think there is a chance in heck the dev's will issue a kernel patch if I can track this bug down? [02:58] Lord_Maynoth_42: who you talking to? [02:58] anyone [02:58] :D [02:59] Lord_Maynoth_42: the point I trying make is that some devs/distro are quicker than others === Ripso [n=Ripso@91.84.96.129] has joined #xubuntu [02:59] Lord_Maynoth_42: you problem will probably be fixed...it just hard to say when [03:00] ya... ubuntu is great... but they are not very good at addressing bugs imho... [03:00] ubuntu is prolly the best I have found... [03:00] um here is another weird question [03:00] is it possible to recompile from winxp [03:00] then there are alternatives (that may have fixed already) [03:00] i hate win xp [03:00] but its all I have running atm [03:00] I built this new machine after my old one died [03:00] :/ [03:01] I wanted to go with xubuntu but I can't do to kernel bugs [03:01] grazie, i can boot all cd [03:01] Lord_Maynoth_42: I'm sure you could x-compile from XP but not sure why anyone would want to [03:02] I don't want to at all [03:02] :D [03:02] grazie, i can boot all cds, i can install damnsmalllinux kernel2.4, [03:02] I just don't know how to get linux running without first patching the kernel [03:02] michaelpo: I maybe missing something...why do you need to the external cdrom for installing? [03:03] grazie: i only have external cdrom, no internal === cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #xubuntu [03:03] woohaw, rhythmbox right as rain. [03:03] kalikiana: Thanks for the strace tip. [03:03] Lord_Maynoth_42: you tried knoppix? Runs on everything...great tool to have to hand [03:03] <3 knoppix [03:04] saved me six thousand four hundred and eighty six gray hairs so far. [03:04] I tried knoppix but the bug is present on it also [03:04] grazie, i can boot all cds, i can install damnsmalllinux kernel2.4, for xubuntu, after, detect keyboard, location, language; installation process; it need to detect cdrom, it cant find the cdrom drive... [03:04] :/ [03:04] I need 2.6.20rc5 [03:05] is there anywhere, i can download the old xubuntu? xubuntu4.10? === Ripso_ [n=Ripso@91.84.96.129] has joined #xubuntu [03:05] michaelpo: if you boot with dsl but you want to install xubuntu you can use dsl to do so (same as knoppix) see link below [03:05] !install | michaelpo [03:05] michaelpo: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate [03:06] godless, May I ask what the problem was? === grazie can't keep here :( [03:06] keep up [03:07] Lord_Maynoth_42: you not sorted? [03:08] sorted? [03:08] you know how to solve you problems? (sorted uk term maybe) [03:09] well I did file bug reports... but honestly I am still very noobish... [03:09] and I need another computer which i don't have atm to fix this bug [03:09] :/ [03:10] Lord_Maynoth_42: if the problem is on ubuntu kernel only why not use another distro that doesn't have the problem? [03:11] Lord_Maynoth_42: until ubuntu bug is fixed [03:11] well I have tried knoppix [03:11] :/ [03:11] i think it is the main kernel [03:11] that has the bug [03:12] Lord_Maynoth_42: would be better if you could help with testing the bug fix but realise that you're not all the confident just yet [03:13] well i could try...he wants me to try RC6 and RC7 of the 2.6.20 kernel... and see if they have the issue also... and also the 2.6.21 kernel when it comes out of beta [03:14] Lord_Maynoth_42: there are many choices. If the bug is in the ubuntu kernel, can you another kernel with ubuntu. You have many choices [03:14] really [03:14] premade? === Ripso [n=Ripso@91.84.96.129] has joined #xubuntu [03:15] Lord_Maynoth_42: premade kernels are avaibable yes, but are unlikely to support all you require. Also needs a reasonable amount of linux knowledge/skills === nilleso [n=nilleso@out.clearnet.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:21] Lord_Maynoth_42: if you not confident about testing kernel fix, just let the dev know and he'll probably ask for third party testers. [03:22] grazie, i'm thinking, how about swap my p2 harddisk with this laptop, i install it, then swap out the harddisk into my p2. can that work? [03:23] p4 vs p2, 1gb ram vs 128 ram? [03:24] can i install this way? [03:24] 15" vs 12" monitor [03:25] michaelpo: I think what you saying is that want to install linux on a hard disk outsite your target machine and then fit the hard disk into the target machine? [03:25] grazie, correct... [03:25] can that be done? [03:26]