[12:55] <godless> Hi.
[12:55] <maxamillion> hello
[12:55] <Slick> HELLO!
[12:55] <godless> I would like to listen to a daap server from my xubuntu machine. I have found a lot of info about how to run a daap server, but I just want to listen... can anybody point me in the right direction?
[12:56] <godless> I have installed rhythmbox
[12:56] <godless> I think I need avahi..?
[12:56] <godless> there are roughly 21937192837198 avahi packages though so I don't know where to start.
[12:58] <maxamillion> godless: what's a daap server?
[12:58] <godless> er.
[12:58] <godless> It's the itunes network music sharing nonsense
[12:58] <Merchelo> 21,937,192,837,198 ~23 trillion avahi packages?
[12:59] <godless> Merchelo:  I stopped counting after 21 trillion, but I think my estimate is close.
[12:59] <Merchelo> !daap
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about daap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:59] <godless> !avahi
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:00] <godless> Hm.
[01:00] <godless> Is it case sensitive?
[01:00] <godless> !Avahi
[01:01] <Pumpernickel> No, it's just not a factoid.
[01:02] <godless> Avahi is an Implementation the DNS Service Discovery and Multicast DNS specifications for Zeroconf Networking. It uses D-Bus for communication between user applications and a system daemon. The daemon is used to coordinate application efforts in caching replies, necessary to minimize the traffic imposed on networks.
[01:02] <godless> Jeez, get with it ubotu/
[01:02] <cellofellow> avahi is the linux implementation of Zeroconf, which Apple implements as Bonjour for both Mac and WinXP.
[01:02] <mrsno> godless you will need the avahi-daemon package
[01:03] <cellofellow> I use normal DNS, but it would be nice to be able to use Zeroconf for service discovery even when it doesn't set up the hostnames.
[01:03] <mrsno> mt-daapd is another popular option also
[01:04] <godless> mrsno:  I am not trying to run the server here. I am trying to 'discover' it.
[01:04] <godless> Oh.
[01:04] <mrsno> yes its used for discovery as well :)
[01:04] <godless> Yeah that was the 'Oh.' :) Looking into it, thanks.
[01:04] <mrsno> no problem
[01:06] <cellofellow> anybody know how to get an Audio CD to show on the desktop? I think it's a hald setting somewhere.
[01:06] <maxamillion> cellofellow: should just do so automatically, and yeah ... i would imagine that would be handled by HAL or might be something to do with xfdesktop4 net seeing that hal detected it
[01:07] <cellofellow> cd-roms show, not audio cd's though.
[01:07] <godless> mrsno:  It gets more complicated. The daap server is on the intarweb, not local. Is there a way to point avahi-daemon at it?  avahi-daemon.conf?
[01:10] <maxamillion> cellofellow: wait ... lemme double check, i swore audio cds did too
[01:12] <mrsno> godless hmm im not sure to be honest, maybe some client  to connect instead?
[01:12] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, shows up on my desktop ... just says "Audio CD" under it though
[01:12] <mrsno> something like "Tangerine" maybe
[01:13] <cellofellow> Tangerine is Tango icons in orange.
[01:13] <godless> mrsno: Thought about that too, will check it out. A friend is running a daap server on some webspace, I would like to connect... the web has been pretty limited assistance so far.
[01:13] <godless> But I don't see myself using iTunes, so I'll figure something out :)
[01:13] <mrsno> tangerine is also a daap publish tool/client :)
[01:14] <mrsno> you can set the player you use to listen in it, but i haven't used it myself so maybe someone who has used daap will be able to clarify :)
[01:14] <godless> I've never actually used it (jumping in at the deep end as ever) -- I imagine once avahi is seeing the server the shares will turn up in rhythmbox, which is itunes-ish enough to give me the heebiejeebies anyway
[01:15] <godless> there doesn't seem to be a working xmms daap plugin though
[01:15] <mrsno> i was under the assumption daap is for local discovery
[01:15] <godless> I believe it's meant to be.
[01:16] <mrsno> things like icecast/shoutcast instead maybe :)
[01:16] <godless> However he's got it working in windows/itunes so I'm gonna do my damnedest to get it working here too
[01:16] <cellofellow> Exaile rocks as a jukebox. I don't think there is daap functionality or a daap plugin, but it could be made to work.
[01:16] <godless> never accept defeat and all that.
[01:16] <godless> I think with daap you should be able to pick the remote songs you want to hear rather than listening to a stream.
[01:18] <godless> iTunes doesn't let you browse daap shares that aren't on the lan so he set up a proxy to redirect localhost:#### to the remote server. I'm trying to do the same with avahi.hosts but I'm clumsy.
[01:19] <mrsno> booo itunes
[01:19] <godless> Couldn't agree more.
[01:19] <cellofellow> try the /etc/hosts file
[01:19] <mrsno> i have seen it wipe many an ipod
[01:19] <mrsno> :))
[01:19] <godless> cellofellow:  Yeah? Or /etc/avahi/hosts?
[01:20] <cellofellow> /etc/hosts you can set host aliases.
[01:20] <Naughtyboy> anyone tried fluxbox ..??
[01:21] <mrsno> yea fluxbox is nice
[01:21] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: i spent a couple years on it a few years back
[01:21] <Merchelo> fluxbox is full of win and goodness
[01:21] <Naughtyboy> whats your take on it..??
[01:22] <cellofellow> simple
[01:22] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: i think its a really good window manager, but its rather minimalistic
[01:22] <cellofellow> easy to play with
[01:22] <cellofellow> love tabs
[01:22] <Naughtyboy> read abit about it and in the forums on fluxbuntu.org .....dam it's ALOOOOT configs there..
[01:23] <Naughtyboy> I'm very curious about it...but I'm not sure if I'm ready for that muck config haXXing
[01:23] <Naughtyboy> err  much
[01:33] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: well, it holds a semi-elitist ideal to it in the sense that to accomplish alot of the configurations you have to go editing text files and keep compliant with their syntax for the configs .... or atleast it was when i used it, they might have added some gui stuff since i stopped using it
[01:35] <Naughtyboy> OK...I like the simplicity and to some extent the minimalistic interface.....but I don't know....I kind of want to be able to acutally use my system to...not spending all my time configuring it...hehe
[01:35] <Naughtyboy> well well.....time will tell
[01:36] <maxamillion> yeah, its kinda a "how much control do you really want" factor
[01:37] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: which is why for my daily desktop operational use, i think xfce offers me the perfect balance of all aspects of a desktop environment
[01:40] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : yeah xfce is very nice in that aspect....it's well balanced...however I still think it has unnecessarily much packages and services...at least to my usage..
[01:41] <Naughtyboy> maby I should try going for a server install...then manually add what I want..
[01:42] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: well i think alot of what you are thinking "xfce" is actually "xubuntu" ... if you were to install a debian etch base system and then just install X and xfce, i think you would find it is quite "light"
[01:48] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : a question about manual install .....if I do a "sudo apt-get install xorg xfce4 xdm" ...or gdm or what ever login manager...do I havet to edit something...or can I just startx and login to X ...assuming I have all driver installed and configured..??
[01:52] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: yeah, it should just work without configuration
[01:52] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: you will also need xserver-xorg
[01:53] <maxamillion> so "sudo aptitude install xorg xserver-xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies gdm" (xfce4-goodies is a package with all the panel plugins and stuff)
[01:56] <Naughtyboy> OK....well...I don't use ANY other plugin except wfce-mixer if the counts as a panel plugin....but thanks for the headsup...think I'll give that a try....
[01:56] <maxamillion> okies
[01:56] <maxamillion> anyhoo... i'm getting off work .. bbl
[02:07] <Merchelo> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/hprajani/phun/disk.jpg
[02:10] <godless> haha
[02:20] <kalikiana> Merchelo, *lol*
[02:53] <godless> !mp3
[02:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:37] <BFTD> yo all
[03:38] <Howdy125> yo yo
[03:39] <BFTD> yo
[05:26] <januszeal> Hi
[05:28] <januszeal> Im about to install xubuntu on my laptop, and being a linux noob, im worried about hardware issues (mostly wifi)
[05:52] <Pumpernickel> januszeal: There's a useful list of supported cards (along with what it takes to make them work) at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[06:56] <BFTD> yo
[07:11] <neozen> meep
[07:17] <hyper_ch> no updates today? :(
[07:27] <hyper_ch> !ati
[07:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:44] <Selenolycus> Xubuntu ueber alles!
[09:32] <tuxcrafter> how do i create a new .bashrc that was in the user folder by default
[09:40] <darren1> tuxcrafter: you mean a new *empty* one, or a default one with stuff in it to replace one you deleted?
[09:41] <tuxcrafter> to replace
[09:41] <tuxcrafter> i want the default one back
[09:41] <darren1> cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/
[09:41] <tuxcrafter> ok thanks
[09:41] <darren1> np
[09:41] <tuxcrafter> i want to be able to use a specific permission mask in a specific directory how can i do this? i know that you can set a global mask in your .bashrc but how about a specific mask in for a specific folder?
[09:47] <darren1> not sure.. you mean like umask?
[09:48] <tuxcrafter> yea
[09:48] <tuxcrafter> darren1: use a specif umaks in when the user want to create a file or dir in a specific directory
[09:51] <darren1> understood.. just don't know how
[09:51] <darren1> umask command doesn't allow it.
[09:53] <darrend> tuxcrafter: you could set the sticky bit on the directory with chmod to force all files/dirs in there to be created with the same gid
[09:54] <darrend> don't know if that helps
[09:54] <tuxcrafter> darrend: yea it does
[09:54] <tuxcrafter> i was already looking at the sticky bit
[09:55] <tuxcrafter> using a chmod of 6771 now
[09:56] <tuxcrafter> The first digit selects the set user ID
[09:56] <tuxcrafter>        (4) and set group ID (2) and sticky (1) attributes.
[09:56] <tuxcrafter> can you explain that in more detail please :-P
[09:57] <tuxcrafter> i only what that every file or dir have a rw on the group attribute
[10:01] <darrend> chmod 2770 on the directory will mean all files created in that directory will have the same gid as the directory itself and that the directory cannot be read outside the owner and group.  global umask will still apply.
[10:01] <darrend> I think
[10:01] <darrend> :)
[10:03] <darrend> mkdir test && chmod 2770 test && touch test/hello && ls -al test/
[10:04] <darrend> chgrp admin test/ && touch test/hello2 && ls -al test/
[10:04] <darrend> that help?
[10:07] <tuxcrafter> darrend: sticky bit is not the solution now i can delete and rename the file but i can not change it :-P
[10:08] <darrend> did you set the uid as well as the gid?
[10:08] <darrend> what chmod did you put on the directory?
[10:09] <darrend> type in the commands I showed a minute ago.. that will allow you to change the file as you'll still be the owner of it
[10:10] <tuxcrafter> darrend: yeas
[10:10] <tuxcrafter> but when i create a file the group wil be only r not rw
[10:11] <tuxcrafter> sticky bit is a bit special  :-P
[10:11] <tuxcrafter> really need a umask for a predefined directory
[10:11] <darrend> permissions on the file you create come from umask, not the sticky bit on the directory
[10:11] <tuxcrafter> darrend: exactly
[10:12] <darrend> what exactly do you need this for?
[10:12] <darrend> maybe another way
[10:12] <tuxcrafter> shared project
[10:12] <tuxcrafter> directorys
[10:12] <tuxcrafter> that are only accessible bye a specif group
[10:13] <darrend> er, make the chmod on the root of the project directory to be 770
[10:14] <darrend> then no-one other than the group will see anything in it or be able to do anything in it
[10:16] <tuxcrafter> darrend: yes with chmod i can get everyting fine but when a user creates a new file or folder it uses its own umask and things will be not accessibly again
[10:16] <darrend> what??  What do you mean "things will be not accessibly again"
[10:18] <darrend> (brb)
[10:20] <tuxcrafter> you can see it with the command you posted your self
[10:20] <tuxcrafter> darrend: if you set chmod all file and folders will be correct on that moment
[10:20] <tuxcrafter> but if a user creates a new file or folder it will have a new umask with the wrong permissions
[10:28] <albert> what's the command for the xfce process-manager?
[10:39] <tuxcrafter> albert: xfce4-taskmanager
[10:39] <tuxcrafter> but beter user htop
[10:39] <tuxcrafter> sudo apt-get install htop
[10:39] <albert> thank you. can you explain the difference?
[10:39] <_aussieman> anyone had any probs with xsane on fesity - it worked for me a week ago but now wont find any devices
[10:40] <tuxcrafter> albert: look for yourself
[10:40] <tuxcrafter> albert: it is pretty self explaining
[10:40] <_aussieman> tuxcrafter, SELF EXPLANATORY
[10:40] <tuxcrafter> _aussieman: thanks for the correction self explanatory
[10:41] <_aussieman> thats ok
[10:41] <_aussieman> i was being pedantic
[10:41] <_aussieman> any ideas on xsane
[10:41] <tuxcrafter> nop not tested it yet
[10:41] <_aussieman> ok
[10:41] <albert> k, pretty much self expaining ;)
[10:41] <albert> thank you
[10:41] <tuxcrafter> _aussieman: do you have hplip loaded?
[10:41] <_aussieman> i think so
[10:41] <tuxcrafter> before starting xsane
[10:42] <tuxcrafter> sudo /etc/init.d/hplip restart
[10:42] <_aussieman> yep i got it
[10:42] <tuxcrafter> _aussieman: it is only for hp devices! dont now what your device is
[10:42] <_aussieman> no still no devices found
[10:42] <_aussieman> its hp
[10:43] <_aussieman> i have hp
[10:43] <_aussieman> i had it working
[10:43] <tuxcrafter> lsusb?
[10:43] <_aussieman> out of the box
[10:43] <_aussieman> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 03f0:5511 Hewlett-Packard
[10:43] <_aussieman> i presume
[10:43] <_aussieman> ill keep playing later i have to call soemone now
[11:43] <tuxcrafter> how do i create a directory specific umask?
[11:45] <darrend> tuxcrafter: that makes no sense - what permissions do you want it to have?  More to the point, what EXACTLY are you trying to achieve>
[11:45] <darrend> ?
[11:45] <darrend> if the users want different default permissions, tell them to change their umask in .bashrc
[11:46] <darrend> or tell them to change the files after they create them
[11:46] <darrend> if you protect top level directories correctly, no-one will be able to see the files in them anyway.. regardless of what permissions the files have
[11:47] <tuxcrafter> darrend: if a user creates a file in /home/$user/ it should have a mask of 600 if a user creates a file in /home/$user/share/ it should have a mask of 660 and this must go automatically so no manual chmods.
[11:49] <darrend> why are you sharing project folders from inside a users home?
[11:49] <darrend> why not setup /projects/whatever
[11:49] <darrend> and grant permissions on that to the group
[11:51] <tuxcrafter> darrend the problem will be the same
[11:51] <tuxcrafter> darrend directory specific umask
[11:51] <darrend> I can't know that - you won't tell me what you actually want to achieve in terms of who can do what
[11:52] <darrend> you just keep going on about dir specific umask which you can't do
[11:52] <tuxcrafter> darrend: if a user creates a file in /home/$user/ it should have a mask of 600 if a user creates a file in /share/ it should have a mask of 660 and this must go automatically so no manual chmods.
[11:52] <tuxcrafter> see same problem
[11:52] <darrend> no, that's just a copy/paste of what you said a minute ago
[11:53] <darrend> sorry, I can't help you 'cos you won't tell me what you want the end result to be
[11:54] <tuxcrafter> darrend: i want different file permissions on different locations
[11:54] <tuxcrafter> so if a user does a touch file.txt it should have different permissions depending on the configuration
[11:55] <darrend> that's not an end result.  That's a step to achieving one.
[11:56] <darrend> if you create a file with world readable permissions in a directory, then change that directory (chmod o-rwx), no-one can see that file unless they have access to the directory.  EVEN IF the file still has world readable permissions
[11:56] <tuxcrafter> i want to have a group of people that can work together in a shared directory they login with ssh
[11:56] <darrend> perfectly possible to do
[11:57] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> what's the Xfce equivalent to gconf-editor? :x
[11:57] <tuxcrafter> and the users must have automatic file permissions in a specif folder
[11:57] <darrend> set up your share, give the group ownership, put your users in that group, make their umask 0022, make sure their ~/ dirs are chmod (go-rwx), job done
[11:57] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> or if it's easier to just up and tell me how to remove the items on my desktop, that'd work too
[11:57] <tuxcrafter> darrend no that is the current sittuation
[11:58] <darrend> then you already DO have a share that a group can access and work on] 
[11:58] <tuxcrafter> if they make a file in a other directory than that file will have a umask of 0022 also
[11:58] <darrend> so what???
[11:58] <tuxcrafter> i dont want that
[11:58] <tuxcrafter> it has to be top secure
[11:58] <darrend> protect the directory those files are in if that's an issue
[11:58] <darrend> why is that so hard to do?
[11:59] <tuxcrafter> i what automatic file premissons that are specified in a directory
[11:59] <tuxcrafter> i really need a break now
[11:59] <darrend> if you log into a box as root and create a file in /root with your umask set to 0022, does that mean all users can see that file?? No, of course not
[11:59] <tuxcrafter> getting mad now so time to get some air
[12:00] <darrend> well, you can't do it as far as I know
[12:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> nm i found it
[12:00] <kalikiana> {uX}l`VampyrCeil, You want Settings->Workspace (I think that's it) to disable desktop icons?
[12:00] <tuxcrafter> i will be back in 45 minutes
[12:00] <kalikiana> ah, ok :)
[12:00] <tuxcrafter> darrend: thanks for your time i really appreciate it
[12:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> right click on desktop and settings in there ^^
[12:00] <tuxcrafter> see you later
[12:00] <darrend> so you must have some amazing requirements that no-one else ever in the history of Unix has ever had
[12:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> thanks tho kalikiana o/
[12:00] <kalikiana> {uX}l`VampyrCeil, :)
[12:48] <darrend> anyone know what the default Eterm font is, and whether the xfce terminal can be made to use it?
[12:48] <darrend> I really like the clean look of the Eterm font, but want to use xfce's terminal which is better functionally :)
[01:01] <tuxcrafter> darrend: i am back
[01:02] <godless> I am finding rhythmbox unfathomably slow to load, even with an empty library it takes minutes before the window appears... I have a lot of codecs installed just now but this was true before I added any of them... any thoughts?
[01:03] <kalikiana> godless, Is switching the player an option?
[01:03] <godless> no errors popping up when I run it from a terminal either, just a blank screen for ages...
[01:04] <godless> kalikiana:  I'm using it for its daap capabilities so I suppose banshee or (I believe?) amarok are options...
[01:05] <tuxcrafter> darrend: i will use the umask 006 it will work its not perfect but i dont have time anymore i will look at acl's some other time to see if i can get directory specific umask rules
[01:06] <godless> But since it works so smoothly in rhythmbox, once it finally loads at least, I am hesitant to switch if I can sort this out...
[01:06] <godless> It's not even using any cpu while it waits to start...
[01:06] <kalikiana> godless, About daap specifically I cannot say a thing I fear, so hopefully somebody else has an idea.
[01:07] <kalikiana> godless, You could try strace?
[01:07] <godless> strace? sorry, I'm unfamiliar...
[01:07] <godless> !strace
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about strace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:10] <kalikiana> !info strace
[01:10] <ubotu> strace: A system call tracer. In component main, is standard. Version 4.5.14-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 92 kB, installed size 248 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh sparc)
[01:10] <kalikiana> godless, It shows every single system call and *maybe* you see WHERE it is holding its breath?
[01:11] <godless> kalikiana:  thanks. I'll fiddle.
[01:11] <kalikiana> It's just an idea because the actual problem is unknown, I hope it helps a bit :)
[01:12] <godless> daap isn't the problem either, it happens if I don't load the avahi-daemon either.
[01:12] <godless> aaaaanyway.
[01:12] <godless> maybe some sleep will elucidate.
[01:12] <godless> Good night.
[01:12] <kalikiana> godless, good night :)
[01:12] <godless> Well. Morning. :/
[01:14] <albert> hey, is there sth like kdesu with xubuntu? or can you tell me a light-weight verison?
[01:15] <mrsno> albert sudo on its own
[01:16] <mrsno> or sudo thunar to open the file manager as sudo
[01:16] <mrsno> or gksudo
[01:16] <godless> 'Thunar'
[01:16] <godless> I'm all for case sensitivity but sometimes... grr.. :)
[01:16] <albert> ye, i'm trying do make a menu entry for shutdown
[01:16] <mrsno> :-)
[01:16] <albert> (in fluxbox)
[01:17] <kalikiana> albert, gksudo == kdesu ;)
[01:17] <albert> and i'm running it on a xubuntu installation
[01:17] <albert> k, thx ;)
[01:17] <kalikiana> !info gksudo
[01:17] <ubotu> Package gksudo does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[01:17] <kalikiana> ubotu, u are stoopid :P
[01:17] <michaelpo> what software do i use to erase cdrw disc?
[01:17] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> how do i start the x window manager or whatever?
[01:18] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> beryl messed my shit up and i have no titlebars -_-
[01:18] <kalikiana> michaelpo, xfburn or graveman
[01:18] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i don't even want to mess with beryl anymore, i just want my titlebars :(
[01:18] <godless> Amarok uses kde libraries. I know xubuntu is optimized for gtk but... how exactly will this slow down my system?
[01:18] <kalikiana> {uX}l`VampyrCeil, You mean XFCE's window manager? That would be 'xfwm4'. Press Akt+F2 and type 'xfwm4'. :)
[01:19] <michaelpo> kalikiana? i need to download that? is there any preinstalled software in ubuntu?
[01:19] <kalikiana> michaelpo, xfburn *should be preinstalled I believe?
[01:19] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> you're a god, kalikiana
[01:19] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> XD
[01:20] <kalikiana> godless, The first kde app will load the whole lot of kde/qt libraries for itself alone. If you have more than one, divide the 'waste' of memory.
[01:20] <kalikiana> {uX}l`VampyrCeil, :)
[01:20] <godless> bleh
[01:21] <godless> kalikiana:  Will they be in memory even if I don't have Amarok (or whatever first kde app) running?
[01:21] <darrend> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: using nVidia card?
[01:22] <godless> I can live with the disk space.
[01:22] <kalikiana> godless, Nope. If no kde program is running, memory will be free again.
[01:22] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> darrend, yeah :x
[01:22] <kalikiana> godless, Just that one program will use *unusually* much memory.
[01:23] <godless> Gotcha.
[01:23] <darrend> try adding the following 2 options to your "Device" section in xorg.conf..
[01:23] <darrend> Option          "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True"
[01:23] <darrend>         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[01:23] <darrend> {uX}l`VampyrCeil: then restart GDM and give Beryl another go
[01:25] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> thanks, but as i said in #beryl, i feel a headache coming on, and the hippie in me hates headaches; i got the site for installing beryl to Feisty on an nvidia bookmarked, so i'll try again later
[01:25] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i've just been up for too long to fight stuff at the moment :x
[01:25] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> much appreciated, tho
[01:26] <darrend> I had the same problem and that fixed it for me
[01:26] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> the lack of titlebars wasn't even with beryl running; that was after i tried to run it and killed it
[01:26] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> because when i started beryl, i got a blank white screen
[01:26] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x
[01:26] <darrend> ah
[01:27] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> middle click + move got me to a screen with a red design and a gem on it, but that was laggy
[01:27] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> couldn't get to my apps :x
[01:28] <michaelpo> found the solution, nautilus will erase the cdrw, before writing new iso....
[01:29] <godless> michaelpo:  sounds like you are running ubuntu, not xubuntu...
[01:32] <michaelpo> godless: yes, ubuntu... i just downloaded xubuntu to install into my p2 notebook...
[01:33] <godless> michaelpo:  This will explain why you couldn't find xfburn.
[01:33] <godless> It is installed by default with xubuntu; I don't believe this is the case with straight ubuntu.
[01:34] <godless> !Exaile
[01:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exaile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:34] <godless> nyur.
[01:34] <kalikiana> !info exaile
[01:34] <ubotu> Package exaile does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[01:35] <kalikiana> godless, !info is for packages ;)
[01:38] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> just out of curiousity, is there a way to take away "Applications", and just have the Xubuntu icon there?
[01:38] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x
[01:39] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it doesn't even bother me at all, i just think it'd be nice to just have the icon :p
[01:43] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> setxkbmap option -us compose:rwin <=- does that look right to "make right windows key 'compose'"?
[01:43] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> i think i've just about got the command memorised, but i'm not sure <_<
[01:44] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> and there is no --help or -h o_O
[01:46] <albert> gksudo shutdown -h now  isn't working for me :(
[01:47] <albert> it just gives me the  gksudo --help output
[02:05] <Merchelo> sudo shutdown -h now
[02:06] <kalikiana> This will instantly shutdown the computer. Don't post that here, without a comment.
[02:11] <Merchelo> yeah, sorry, was trying to help out albert, but it seems he left already.
[02:12] <kalikiana> Merchelo, You never know who reads it by chance and just tries it out. No offence meant. :)
[02:13] <Merchelo> just out of curiosity, what command would it be to make the shutdown panel, with the options on it to appear?
[02:16] <Merchelo> no matter, it would be an xfce specific question.
[02:16] <kalikiana> Merchelo, I'm not sure what you mean. There is a plugin which displays buttons on the panel.
[02:17] <kalikiana> And this *is* #xubuntu, so xfce is okay :)
[02:38] <Lord_Maynoth_42> could anyone here help me please?  I trying to help fix a bug with the newest kernel... and the AMD 690G chipset
[02:38] <Lord_Maynoth_42> seems the bug was introduced after 2.6.20RC5
[02:38] <Lord_Maynoth_42> they want me to recomplile and test each RC after that
[02:38] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[02:45] <godless> omg I hate windows file shares
[02:46] <godless> I mounted some in pyneighbourhood some time back
[02:46] <godless> Now I cannot unmount them
[02:46] <godless> I believe this is my rythmbox problem
[02:49] <godless> when I try to rm -rf the mount point I get:
[02:49] <godless> rm: cannot lstat `.smbmnt//SILVER/movies': Input/output error
[02:50] <michaelpo> i've downloaded xubuntu6.10, when i tried to install, it cannot detect my external cdrom teac2405, i've searched the forum, nothing, i've tried damnsmalllinux, it detected, i think maybe kernal2.4 works on the cdrom? does older xubuntu based on kernel2.4? how do i download that old xubuntu?
[02:50] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: not sure what your problems is. Someone is trying to fix a bug for you and is asking you to test the change. Am I missing something?
[02:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well im stupid
[02:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I don't have a clue how to recomplile the RC6 and RC7 kernels of 2.6.20
[02:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[02:51] <ceil420> :o
[02:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> there is bug with with the 32bit version and the amd690 chipset...
[02:52] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: I'm sure you're not stupid, do you want a guide to compile the kernel?
[02:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sure... but once I get it recompiled... how do I make it into a liveCD?
[02:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[02:52] <grazie> michaelpo: your problem is probably due to usb or fw support is the kernel
[02:53] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: if you can't build your own live cd (again not to hard really these days) you'll have to wait for the release
[02:54] <michaelpo> grazie: xubuntu failed to detect the cdrom... but can load the kernel on bootup, but halfway through the installation, it failed to recognise the cdrom...
[02:54] <michaelpo> grazie: how to fix this?
[02:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> are their guides to building livecd's
[02:54] <ceil420> i think he might be able to, grazie, but doesn't know how
[02:54] <michaelpo> grazie what if fw?
[02:55] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: yes, but I'd have to google so you'd be quick as me...
[02:55] <grazie> michaelpo: fw = firewire
[02:55] <Lord_Maynoth_42> what terms do I search for?
[02:56] <michaelpo> it is acer p2 laptop, around 10yrs old... no firewire....
[02:56] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: I'd do something like "build linux live cd" also dreamlinux comes with a tool to do this. ..can't remember the name
[02:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> thanks!
[02:57] <grazie> michaelpo: can you boot from any cd?
[02:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> do you think there is a chance in heck the dev's will issue a kernel patch if I can track this bug down?
[02:58] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: who you talking to?
[02:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> anyone
[02:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[02:59] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: the point I trying make is that some devs/distro are quicker than others
[02:59] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: you problem will probably be fixed...it just hard to say when
[03:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ya... ubuntu is great... but they are not very good at addressing bugs imho...
[03:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ubuntu is prolly the best I have found...
[03:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> um here is another weird question
[03:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is it possible to recompile from winxp
[03:00] <grazie> then there are alternatives (that may have fixed already)
[03:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i hate win xp
[03:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but its all I have running atm
[03:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I built this new machine after my old one died
[03:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[03:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I wanted to go with xubuntu but I can't do to kernel bugs
[03:01] <michaelpo> grazie, i can boot all cd
[03:01] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: I'm sure you could x-compile from XP but not sure why anyone would want to
[03:02] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I don't want to at all
[03:02] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[03:02] <michaelpo> grazie, i can boot all cds, i can install damnsmalllinux kernel2.4,
[03:02] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I just don't know how to get linux running without first patching the kernel
[03:02] <grazie> michaelpo: I maybe missing something...why do you need to the external cdrom for installing?
[03:03] <michaelpo> grazie: i only have external cdrom, no internal
[03:03] <godless> woohaw, rhythmbox right as rain.
[03:03] <godless> kalikiana:  Thanks for the strace tip.
[03:03] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: you tried knoppix? Runs on everything...great tool to have to hand
[03:03] <godless> <3 knoppix
[03:04] <godless> saved me six thousand four hundred and eighty six gray hairs so far.
[03:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I tried knoppix but the bug is present on it also
[03:04] <michaelpo> grazie, i can boot all cds, i can install damnsmalllinux kernel2.4, for xubuntu, after, detect keyboard, location, language; installation process; it need to detect cdrom, it cant find the cdrom drive...
[03:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[03:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I need 2.6.20rc5
[03:05] <michaelpo> is there anywhere, i can download the old xubuntu? xubuntu4.10?
[03:05] <grazie> michaelpo: if you boot with dsl but you want to install xubuntu you can use dsl to do so (same as knoppix) see link below
[03:05] <grazie> !install | michaelpo
[03:05] <ubotu> michaelpo: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[03:06] <kalikiana> godless, May I ask what the problem was?
[03:06] <grazie> keep up
[03:07] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: you not sorted?
[03:08] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sorted?
[03:08] <grazie> you know how to solve you problems? (sorted uk term maybe)
[03:09] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well I did file bug reports... but honestly I am still very noobish...
[03:09] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and I need another computer which i don't have atm to fix this bug
[03:09] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[03:10] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: if the problem is on ubuntu kernel only why not use another distro that doesn't have the problem?
[03:11] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: until ubuntu bug is fixed
[03:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well I have tried knoppix
[03:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[03:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i think it is the main kernel
[03:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> that has the bug
[03:12] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: would be better if you could help with testing the bug fix but realise that you're not all the confident just yet
[03:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well i could try...he wants me to try RC6 and RC7 of the 2.6.20 kernel...  and see if they have the issue also... and also the 2.6.21 kernel when it comes out of beta
[03:14] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: there are many choices. If the bug is in the ubuntu kernel, can you another kernel with ubuntu. You have many choices
[03:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> really
[03:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> premade?
[03:15] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: premade kernels are avaibable yes, but are unlikely to support all you require. Also needs a reasonable amount of linux knowledge/skills
[03:21] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: if you not confident about testing kernel fix, just let the dev know and he'll probably ask for third party testers.
[03:22] <michaelpo> grazie, i'm thinking, how about swap my p2 harddisk with this laptop, i install it, then swap out the harddisk into my p2. can that work?
[03:23] <michaelpo> p4 vs p2, 1gb ram vs 128 ram?
[03:24] <michaelpo> can i install this way?
[03:24] <michaelpo> 15" vs 12" monitor
[03:25] <grazie> michaelpo: I think what you saying is that want to install linux on a hard disk outsite your target machine and then fit the hard disk into the target machine?
[03:25] <michaelpo> grazie, correct...
[03:25] <michaelpo> can that be done?
[03:26] <grazie> grazie: yes, relatively easy with linux, but...
[03:26] <grazie> michaelpo: ^^
[03:26] <michaelpo> but what?
[03:27] <michaelpo> 4 year old hardware vs 10 years old hardware?
[03:27] <grazie> michaelpo: you'll not to change things like drivers, /etc/fstab, /etc/X11/xorg.config. etc. but we can help you with that whne needed.
[03:28] <grazie> michaelpo: would also be better is you could follow the xubuntu manual config route (rather than auto) to better match the old machine
[03:29] <grazie> s/is/if/
[03:30] <michaelpo> thanks... so i will shutdown this machine now.... swap the harddisk, then install xubuntu into the 4gb hdd,... swap out the hdd into the p2, then come back in irc here, and for advise...
[03:30] <grazie> fine..maybe chat later :)
[03:55] <Slick> hey guys, is there an easy ways to mount my windows partition in xubuntu
[04:00] <kalikiana|away> Slick, For example the panel plugin for mouting disks
[04:01] <kalikiana|away> Or copy a line from my fstab, learn the syntax and change it to your needs. :)
[04:03] <Slick> I've just installed the panel plugin, but can't see my windows partition
[04:03] <amsmith42hs> Is there a trick to getting xfburn to burn an iso with a 4x4x24 drive?
[04:03] <Slick> although its running ntfs so I might need to install something extra
[04:04] <amsmith42hs> I'm getting cdrecord errors, BadOption: speed=.
[04:10] <kalikiana|away> Slick, This is my fstab line for an NTFS dive: /dev/sda1  /media/sda1    ntfs         defaults,nls=utf8,gid=users,umask=0000,ro  0  1
[04:10] <j1mc> amsmith42hs: not sure, but have you tried burning from the command line?  try  "cdrecord -v dev=/dev/cdrom nameoffile.iso"
[04:10] <kalikiana|away> Slick, I know no more than I need to make it work, maybe you get it that way as well :)
[04:10] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: Thank you.
[04:11] <j1mc> amsmith42hs: sure.  just make sure to navigate to the folder that contains the ISO first.
[04:11] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: Will do.
[04:11] <Slick> how do you alter fstab?
[04:13] <kalikiana|away> Slick, Open /etc/fstab in a text editor, e.g. mousepad, as root, and add a new line, similar to the one I posted.
[04:13] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: It gave some errors but it seems to be doing more than it was before...
[04:13] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: I was able to just data burn with xfburn, but not iso burn.
[04:14] <kalikiana|away> Slick, then after saving do 'sudo mount -a' to update without rebooting. Of course, be careful with experimenting ;)
[04:14] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: I hope it isn't just data burning again.
[04:14] <j1mc> amsmith42hs: oh . . .   we'll see how it goes.  :-)
[04:14] <Slick> ok cheers, I'll try that
[04:14] <j1mc> amsmith42hs: is it giving you progress indicators . . .  like "burning sector 200 of 700" or something?
[04:14] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: That we will...
[04:15] <amsmith42hs> Woohoo! .2 times more than rated burn speed! :P
[04:16] <Slick> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[04:16] <Slick> mount: mount point /media/sda1 does not exist
[04:17] <j1mc> Slick: check to make sure you don't have a blank line at the end of your fstab file.
[04:18] <j1mc> make a backup of it  . . . .   (sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup)
[04:18] <j1mc> and then open it with "sudo nano /etc/fstab" and check to make sure there's not a blank line at the end.
[04:18] <Slick> hmm yeah there's no blank line
[04:18] <amsmith42hs> Bah! Buffer underrun
[04:20] <j1mc> amsmith42hs: bummer!!
[04:20] <j1mc> amsmith42hs: try closing out all of your windows / applications, and trying again.
[04:21] <j1mc> or . . . hmmm...   i haven't had to set the cd speed before . . .    i wonder what the option is for that.
[04:22] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: It looks like it defaults to 4, the max.
[04:22] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: cdrecord suggested setting burnfree
[04:22] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: I'm doing that now.
[04:22] <kalikiana|away> j1mc, nano is not really usable for everybody ;)
[04:24] <j1mc> amsmith42hs: check out the section on speed in this link: http://node1.yo-linux.com/cgi-bin/man2html?cgi_command=cdrecord
[04:24] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: Also, I didn't realize that burdening the CPU would have an adverse affect on the burn. I was opening apps. I'll not do that this time.
[04:24] <j1mc> kalikiana|away: ok . . .   maybe use mousepad then.  :-)
[04:29] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: Success!
[04:29] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: Thank you for your help.
[04:31] <j1mc> amsmith42hs: you're welcome.  what helped the situation?
[04:40] <amsmith42hs> j1mc: The combination of freeburn, command line, and not opening apps, I think.
[04:43] <Slick> is there an easy way to check how much RAM the system has in xubuntu?
[04:43] <j1mc> amsmith42hs: good news.  i don't have a lot of experience with xfburn, but you may want to check it out and see if those options exist in the preferences section or something.
[04:43] <Slick> a command in the terminal or anything like that?
[04:43] <j1mc> Slick: cat /proc/meminfo
[04:43] <Slick> thanks
[04:43] <j1mc> Slick: you can also try "cat /proc/cpuinfo" to get info about your processor.  it's pretty neat.  =)
[04:44] <Slick> wow cool, loads of memory info
[04:44] <Slick> I'll write those commands down for future reference
[04:44] <j1mc> =)
[04:50] <cynthia> hi
[04:50] <cynthia> i am a new user of xubuntu
[04:50] <grazie> welcome
[04:50] <cynthia> i find xubuntu good to use
[04:51] <cynthia> run smoothly in my machine
[04:51] <cynthia> very good
[04:51] <cynthia> hi
[04:51] <cynthia> but i've quite a lot of questions when i use xubuntu
[04:51] <grazie> !ask | cynthia
[04:51] <ubotu> cynthia: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:55] <cynthia> ok
[04:55] <cynthia> i install ubuntu 6.10
[04:55] <cynthia> then i install kde and xfce
[04:56] <cynthia> u know, default is gnome
[04:56] <cynthia> i'm going to use xubuntu
[04:56] <cynthia> i'm not sure if i'm really using xubutu
[04:57] <cynthia> because i found my machine running on xfce is smooth
[04:57] <cynthia> while the kde and gnome consume much resources
[04:58] <cynthia> is it possible to uninstall kde and gnome
[04:58] <maxamillion> cynthia: yes
[04:58] <cynthia> because my pc is running xp and ubuntu
[04:58] <cynthia> and using grub as bootloader
[04:59] <grazie> cynthia: might be easier to fresh install xubuntu though if you can
[05:00] <cynthia> grazie, is xubuntu the same as ubuntu installation cd
[05:00] <maxamillion> cynthia: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[05:00] <cynthia> or should i d/l a new cd?
[05:01] <maxamillion> cynthia: that link will tell you how to remove everything from ubuntu or kubuntu
[05:01] <cynthia> coool
[05:01] <maxamillion> :)
[05:01] <grazie> cynthia: not the same no, but the base os is the same yes. The are lots of ways to install
[05:01] <grazie> !install | cynthia
[05:01] <ubotu> cynthia: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[05:01] <grazie> cynthia: I'll let maxamillion tell you how to uninstall kde & gnome
[05:02] <maxamillion> grazie: i already did ... did you see that link i posted?
[05:02] <cynthia> yes,
[05:02] <cynthia> i am reading....
[05:02] <maxamillion> lol
[05:02] <cynthia> both of you are very kind
[05:02] <maxamillion> cynthia: we try :)
[05:03] <maxamillion> cynthia: that link i gave you, if you look to the left at all the subjects covered, it is a rather useful site
[05:03] <cynthia> ...another question is...
[05:03] <cynthia> i am now using 'xchat'
[05:04] <cynthia> it seems that there is no options to 'swap' the text
[05:04] <cynthia> i cannot see the words when the sentence is too long
[05:04] <cynthia> the words cannot 'dropped' into next line
[05:05] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: "purexfce" is quite deceptive - (even without xubuntu-settings it doesn't look like pure xfce)
[05:05] <h3sp4wn> s/xubuntu-settings/xubuntu-default-settings
[05:06] <grazie> cynthia: I use xchat and I'm not following what your problem is
[05:06] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: i don't follow .... that tutorial is just how to remove either gnome or kde
[05:07] <Howdy125> cynthia, just type everything out in one line ..
[05:07] <cynthia> yes,
[05:08] <cynthia> but i cannot see others
[05:08] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: the link is titled purexfce - pure xfce looks different and less gnome like than xubuntu (nicer I think)
[05:08] <cynthia> when other users try to type long sentence, it is my time to guess ....what they said
[05:08] <joris> Openoffice crashes when i try to use a wizard to import a new library. Im using Xubuntu Feisty. Somebody knows a solution?
[05:09] <h3sp4wn> is fiesty going to release tommorow still ?
[05:09] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: ahh .. yeah, i actually run my setup like "pure xfce" http://swooh.kicks-ass.org/~adam/homeXubuntuEdgy.png
[05:10] <Howdy125> cynthia, maybe making your xchat window larger may help .. I don't seem to have that problem with the text.
[05:10] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: not entirely sure about that .... nothing big in the -devel mailing lists sayin "tomorrow is the big day"
[05:10] <cynthia> howdy125: problem stills exist
[05:11] <Howdy125> cynthia,  Hmmmm .. weird.
[05:11] <cynthia> yes.
[05:11] <cynthia> actually i am very very new to ubuntu
[05:12] <cynthia> before using ubuntu, i am a pure m$ user
[05:12] <cynthia> 1st time i tried to install ubuntu (in gnome desktop), i found it is strange
[05:13] <Howdy125> cynthia, maybe after you reinstall with a pure xubuntu it will work better.
[05:13] <cynthia> i set to 1027x768
[05:13] <cynthia> but the desktop icon is extremely large
[05:13] <cynthia> then i install xfce desktop, the icon becomes normal
[05:14] <cynthia> i don't know why
[05:14] <Howdy125> You can make those smaller in ubuntu .. but I like xubuntu  .. :)
[05:14] <maxamillion> cynthia: that's because in xfce the desktop is handled by a different program then it is with gnome
[05:14] <cynthia> i don't know how to do that
[05:14] <maxamillion> cynthia: there are many differences you will have to learn about linux vs. windows :)
[05:15] <maxamillion> cynthia: in linux, when you change the desktop environment, you generally change what programs control every aspect of your interaction with the computer
[05:15] <cynthia> after using xubuntu, i believe xubuntu is suitable for my machine
[05:15] <maxamillion> :)
[05:15] <cynthia> maxamillion, icici
[05:15] <cynthia> i understand there're many differences between these 2 OS
[05:15] <maxamillion> :)
[05:16] <cynthia> i still wish to know more about linux
[05:16] <maxamillion> cynthia: there is plenty of online documentation out there ... and google is your friend ;)
[05:16] <cynthia> although i am not an expert
[05:17] <maxamillion> cynthia: expert is a strong word ... i've been using linux as my only operating system for over 7 years now and i don't feel that i am an expert
[05:17] <cynthia> yes, sometimes searching causes me trouble
[05:17] <Howdy125> Too much to learn and it's always changing .. :)
[05:18] <cynthia> it took me almost 3 weeks to search for info on how to install samsung printer SCX4100!!
[05:18] <cynthia> excuse me, maxamillion, how many years? i can't see
[05:19] <Howdy125> Well back to my corner .. I have things to do .. :-/
[05:19] <Howdy125> cynthia, he said 7 years
[05:19] <cynthia> sorry for my poor english, english is my 2nd language, i dont know 'expert' is a strong word
[05:19] <cynthia> i will be careful when choosing words :)
[05:22] <cynthia> anyway, i will try my best to adapt the os
[05:22] <kalikiana> cynthia, don't take 'expert is a strong word' literal ;)
[05:22] <cynthia> i find it is very good
[05:22] <maxamillion> cynthia: well, if you ever feel you need help there is normally always someone around here willing to help :)
[05:23] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:24] <cynthia> kalikiana, thank you
[05:24] <maxamillion> hiya slow-motion
[05:24] <cynthia> tonight i'm sharing my experience using the xubuntu as well as the language
[05:24] <slow-motion> hi maxamillion
[05:27] <kalikiana> hi slow-motion :)
[05:27] <cynthia> may i leave as it is mid night at HK
[05:27] <blizz> hey
[05:28] <blizz> do you think it's possible to modify the `xscreensaver-command -lock` screen?
[05:28] <cynthia> see u tomorrow
[05:28] <blizz> i want something like a UAC box ;-)
[05:28] <kalikiana> hi blizz :)
[05:28] <cynthia> BB
[05:28] <kalikiana> ciao cynthia
[05:28] <blizz> hey kalikiana
[05:29] <slow-motion> hi kalikiana
[05:31] <joris> Is somebody running xubuntu feisty and using writer?
[05:32] <h3sp4wn> I guess at any time you may consider someone who knows significantly more than you to be an expert. But its relative
[05:39] <Howdy125> joris, I'm using xubuntu feisty .. do you mean oo writer ?
[05:43] <joris> Yes Howdy125
[05:44] <joris> Just did a fresh install and tried to import a dictionary but the wizard keeps crashing
[05:44] <Howdy125> Oh .. I wouldn't know anything about that .. sorry joris
[05:44] <joris> ah sorry
[05:45] <joris> well thanks for responding, i saw there was all ready a post in the forums, same problem also exist in Kubuntu
[05:46] <Howdy125> yw ..
[05:53] <maxamillion> bbl
[06:06] <Slick__> hey, the sound seems to have stopped working on all my programs, is there a solution to reset the sound without restarting?
[06:06] <Slick__> I've checked and the volume isnt on mute
[06:07] <crimsun> http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh
[06:10] <slow-motion> bye
[06:11] <amsmith42hs> What is recommended for navigating Windows network shares?
[06:17] <grazie|away> amsmith42hs: recommended dunno...but some options are thunar + fusesmb, pyNeighborhood and ??Neighborhood (that I can't recall the exact name of)
[06:18] <amsmith42hs> OK, thanks.
[06:22] <crimsun> Slick__: did you plan to tell me the url that paste generated?
[06:30] <Slick__> crimsun: I was unsure about running a script from a website...what is it?
[06:31] <crimsun> Slick__: it's a debugging script that we've developed in #alsa
[06:31] <crimsun> Slick__: download it, execute it after inspecting it if you're apprenhensive
[06:31] <crimsun> apprehensive ^
[06:32] <crimsun> you'll need to prepend "bash "
[06:33] <Slick__> I'll try restarting first, there's probably less opportunity for me to mess up
[06:55] <amsmith42hs> Gaim keeps dying on me without warning.
[06:56] <amsmith42hs> It just disappears.
[06:56] <WaxyFresh> howdy,im trying to remove the menu bar from xfce and just use a mouse click menu like on flux box,whats the package name of the menu bar?
[06:59] <grazie> amsmith42hs: launch gaim from a terminal and you may see an error message that will help track the problem
[07:01] <grazie> WaxyFresh: the menu bar is an applet that can be removed by right clicking
[07:02] <grazie> WaxyFresh: the panel application is xfce4-panel
[08:01] <WaxyFresh> grazie, thanks
[08:02] <grazie> np
[08:13] <WaxyFresh> can anyone think of anything i can do to slim down xfce,not that it isnt already on a diet but im on an older box
[08:13] <WaxyFresh> does xubuntu get updated at the same time k/ubuntu does for fiesty?
[08:14] <highvoltage> WaxyFresh: they follow roughly the same release cycle, yes
[08:14] <highvoltage> WaxyFresh: new Xubuntu should land tomorrow with Edubuntu/Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[08:14] <maxamillion> WaxyFresh: its supposed to ... but i'm not entirely sure because our project lead hasn't specified
[08:15] <grazie> WaxyFresh: First thing I'd do is get rid of cupsys and hplip if you don't need them
[08:16] <grazie> !info cupsys
[08:16] <ubotu> cupsys: Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.4-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1428 kB, installed size 6368 kB
[08:16] <grazie> !info hplip
[08:16] <ubotu> hplip: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.9-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 534 kB, installed size 2544 kB
[08:18] <grazie> obviously the above applies to xubuntu (not xfce)
[08:22] <WaxyFresh> yup
[08:23] <WaxyFresh> cupsys is already gone so is hplib
[08:49] <godless> !nvidia
[08:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:41] <WaxyFresh> grazie, i uninstalled xfce4-panel and my mneu bar is still there what should i do
[09:43] <WaxyFresh> i dont want any menu bars
[09:43] <grazie> WaxyFresh: Not sure...when you say bar menu you mean the Applications menu?
[09:43] <WaxyFresh> yup
[09:44] <WaxyFresh> i want the whole bar gone clock applications etc
[09:44] <grazie> WaxyFresh: and you've done right click > remove
[09:44] <grazie> grazie: you'll need to do the same for each applet
[09:45] <WaxyFresh> i run mainly in term
[09:45] <WaxyFresh> just rried that
[09:45] <WaxyFresh> all im left with is xchat
[09:45] <WaxyFresh> tried*
[09:45] <WaxyFresh> brb
[09:47] <WaxyFresh> its gone
[09:47] <WaxyFresh> thanks i just had to close xchat and then the bar dissapered
[09:48] <grazie> many setings are cached
[09:48] <grazie> se*ttings
[09:48] <grazie> settings* (tut tut)
[09:49] <WaxyFresh> is there a way to make my desktop backgroung a terminal?
[09:49] <grazie> sounds like you don't really want X at all lol
[09:50] <WaxyFresh> how do i view the running procesess?
[09:50] <grazie> ps aux (is a favourite)
[09:50] <WaxyFresh> im still learning so id like to keep a graphic display for the things i cant do from term
[09:50] <grazie> htop is a great package for monitoring processes
[09:51] <WaxyFresh> opps i meant services
[09:51] <WaxyFresh> like bluetooth etc
[09:51] <WaxyFresh> graphical
[09:52] <WaxyFresh> theres autostarted apps on the menu but i dont think thats it
[09:53] <Qew> well, you can control services using BUM (Boot-Up Manager)
[09:53] <WaxyFresh> is that in the normal repos?
[09:53] <WaxyFresh> ive used it before
[09:53] <WaxyFresh> nm i found it
[09:57] <Qew> if you want something for the console, look for sysv-rc
[10:03] <WaxyFresh> !atd
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <WaxyFresh> whats atd do it says for schedualing of jobs,do i need that if i dont have the computer set up to run anything at a certian time?
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> WaxyFresh: my (current) favourite is - ps -efH
[10:07] <WaxyFresh> atd,dbus,mdadm, are the three things im not sure about needing what do you think i need out of those do i need?
[10:08] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : u here..?
[10:08] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: yup
[10:08] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: what's up?
[10:09] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : hi ...sorry to bother u again..but I got a question about what we talk about yestarday...manually installing xfce e.t.c
[10:10] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : was readin on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[10:10] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: ah, yes ... go ahead
[10:11] <maxamillion> oh wow ... didn't know they had a page like this
[10:11] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : and at the end the susggest some "lightweight systems" ....but they don't say anything about installing xserver-xorg wich you suggested yesterday....so my question is...is it essential to my system..?
[10:12] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : now don't missunderstand me..I don't mean to undermine your suggestions....just wan't to make sure..
[10:12] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: well i suggested it in terms of using debian's sarge distro but i believe that with both debian
[10:12] <maxamillion> bah!
[10:13] <Naughtyboy> ???...
[10:13] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: i believe with using aptitude to install xorg it will pull xserver-xorg as a dependency
[10:13] <Naughtyboy> aha..OK....I see...
[10:13] <maxamillion> :)
[10:14] <Naughtyboy> OK...thnx a bunch.....I've desided to do it tomorrow..
[10:14] <maxamillion> or maybe as a recommended package .. but either way, you need it
[10:14] <maxamillion> ah ok, awesome
[10:14] <Naughtyboy> it's 22:14 PM here i sweden....little late to start fideling with now....oterwise I would have done it now
[10:15] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: ah, fair enough
[10:16] <WaxyFresh> atd,dbus,mdadm, are the three things im not sure about needing what do you guys think i need out of those do i need?
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> You don't need xserver-xorg (if you look at whats in it)
[10:17] <WaxyFresh> huh?
[10:17] <Naughtyboy> it'll be interesting to se how the response to the relase will be the next couple of days.....with problems e.t.c
[10:17] <Naughtyboy> h3sp4wn, : yeah..?
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> Naughtyboy: run dpkg -L xserver-xorg (nothing useful inside it)
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> or dlocate -L xserver-xorg (I use dlocate now)
[10:19] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: interesting ... it used to be required to get X to work... but that was in debian sarge and sarge used xfree86 ... alot has changed since then :P
[10:19] <davmor2> has anyone here done a fresh install of feisty?  I have just done a netboot on an old system and firefox seems to missing it's homepage.
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: actually maybe it has the dpkg-reconfigure stuff inside it
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> in /usr/lib/dpkg
[10:20] <maxamillion> meh
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> I don't have it installed anyway
[10:22] <maxamillion> fair enough
[10:22] <Naughtyboy> I have...according to synaptic
[10:22] <Howdy125> davmor2, my feisty install is a day and a half old.
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> Naughtyboy: I just keep the minimum I need installed (means I get less broken stuff on unstable systems)
[10:23] <davmor2> Howdy125:  is your firefox missing it's homepage?
[10:24] <Naughtyboy> h3sp4wn, : so I won't get in to trouble configuring stuff..like keybord, mouse or whatever..if I don't install xserver-xorg..?
[10:24] <Howdy125> davmor2, this is the defualt page I get .. file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html .. it's on the computer.
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> Naughtyboy: no you need - xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd - a video driver fonts
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> the metapackages just make it easier but install every driver
[10:26] <WaxyFresh> the service usplash that just shows the splash screen right?
[10:27] <maxamillion> WaxyFresh: yes
[10:27] <davmor2> Howdy125: that's okay then thanks the ubuntu-artwork folder is missing from my netboot install thanks for the info
[10:27] <Howdy125> davmor2, np .. yw
[10:28] <WaxyFresh> whta does atd do?it says it scheduals jobs but whats that mean?
[10:28] <WaxyFresh> if i dont know what atd is can i remove it?
[10:46] <malnilion> Does anybody know a good tool to enable monitor mode on the fly?  I'm on a laptop with s-video out and I have an nvidia card.
[10:48] <maxamillion> malnilion: yeah, the nvidia drivers in feisty allow that ... just run "sudo nvidia-settings" and its in there (iirc)
[10:50] <malnilion> Oh, that's really cool, maxamillion, thanks :)
[10:50] <maxamillion> np :)
[10:50] <malnilion> Ah, I'm going to have to restart xwindows when I enable it.  Oh well, that's what I've been doing already.
[10:54] <malnilion> Sweet, this is exactly what I needed.
[10:57] <McMad1> I'm new to Xubuntu (and still a linux newbie too) and can't figure out how to connect to a samba share. Any hints?
[10:58] <maxamillion> McMad1: its not entirely a walk in the park because there isn't built in support as of yet
[10:58] <McMad1> Ah, maybe that explains why I can't find it. I remember on Ubuntu it was easy as pie??
[10:59] <maxamillion> McMad1: yeah, its built into nautilus
[11:00] <McMad1> So the fastes way to get to my files on another networked system would be ftp or something.
[11:00] <malnilion> Built into konqueror too, I think?
[11:00] <malnilion> There's an application xsamba or something
[11:00] <McMad1> Or install an equivalent of nautilus...
[11:00] <malnilion> That might help you as well
[11:01] <Naughtyboy> guys...according to synaptic I don't have volman nor gnome-volume-manager installed...is there any other volume-manager that could be used in xubuntu..?
[11:01] <malnilion> xsmbrowser
[11:01] <maxamillion> McMad1: yeah, ftp or install something like linneighborhood, pyneighborhood, fusesmb, etc
[11:01] <malnilion> Naughtyboy, just use alsa-mixer?
[11:02] <Howdy125> I just use the applet Naughtyboy
[11:02] <malnilion> Fark, I'm sorry
[11:02] <malnilion> I didn't understand what you meant, Naughtyboy, lol
[11:02] <Naughtyboy> malnilion, : ehh..?!?!..I'm not taling about audio volume.....
[11:02] <Naughtyboy> hahha
[11:02] <malnilion> Yeah, you got me there
[11:02] <Howdy125> oh .. sorry then Naughtyboy
[11:03] <Naughtyboy> hahah.....guys...haha
[11:04] <Naughtyboy> talking about a thing that keeps track of removable media..like usb sotrage and stuff..
[11:04] <Naughtyboy> automounting hdd e.t.c
[11:04] <somerville32> I'm pretty sure Xubuntu uses a modified version of gnome-volume-manager
[11:04] <somerville32> In Feisty atleast
[11:04] <Naughtyboy> ok..
[11:05] <somerville32> What are you running?
[11:05] <somerville32> Edgy?
[11:05] <Naughtyboy> althou it has thunar-volman-plugin installed
[11:05] <Naughtyboy> Fiesty
[11:05] <McMad1> I'll give linneighborhood a go, tnx for the tips..
[11:05] <malnilion> Yeah, what do you need, Naughtyboy? I know stuff automounts for me and that's all I've needed.
[11:05] <somerville32> Naughtyboy, Is volume management not occuring at all?
[11:06] <somerville32> Like, if you plug in a usb thumb drive, does it appear on the desktop?
[11:06] <Naughtyboy> yeah it is....I'm about to do an server install...the manually install everything I need...to make my system more slimlined e.e.tc...so I'm browsing synaptic to check what I possibly could need
[11:07] <Naughtyboy> and this volume-managment just occured to me...as I have 2 storage SATA drives I want to be able to automount
[11:07] <Howdy125> Naughtyboy, in Desktop Preferences .. Behavior .. is the removable devices checked ?
[11:08] <Naughtyboy> Howdy125, : read my 2 last posts
[11:08] <Howdy125> oh .. sorry again .. hehe
[11:08] <Naughtyboy> everything woks fine atm...
[11:08] <Naughtyboy> np m8
[11:10] <malnilion> Naughtyboy, I'm not sure precisely which package you would need to get automounting working in xubuntu, but I suspect it's thunar-volman-plugin
[11:11] <Naughtyboy> just double checking on things so I don't get any unfortunate surprises..
[11:11] <Naughtyboy> malnilion, : I would guess that to..
[11:11] <malnilion> Understandable, understandable :)
[11:11] <Naughtyboy> thunar-volman and thunar-volman-plugin should do it..
[11:11] <malnilion> There are some things I don't like about thunar, but I like it for the most part
[11:12] <Naughtyboy> yeah..me to.....I've been thinking about xfe
[11:12] <Naughtyboy> I like the dual panel view....like Total Commander in winblows...
[11:13] <malnilion> Indeed, I would like tabbed panels, I think.
[11:13] <Naughtyboy> been using that for a very long time...so it would be nice to be able use it again
[11:13] <malnilion> I find myself with like 3 thunar windows open at once and get annoyed.
[11:13] <Naughtyboy> malnilion, ; then try installing xfe..it's in the repos
[11:13] <malnilion> Thanks for the suggestion :)
[11:15] <malnilion> I'm going to assume xubuntu-desktop depends on thunar, though, and not worry about uninstalling thunar.
[11:17] <Naughtyboy> well....I'm not sure...but it mostlikley will be in the metapackage "xubuntu-desktop"...so it will complain and mabye suggest that you remove som other stuff due to dependcies
[11:17] <Naughtyboy> err dependencies
[11:18] <malnilion> Yeah, hehe
[11:18] <malnilion> Okay, so xfe looks sort of ugly...
[11:19] <maxamillion> xfe? .. the file manager?
[11:21] <malnilion> maxamillion, here's a question you'll probably know the answer to.  I keep hearing about new easy codec management in Feisty.  Is there some application I should be looking for?
[11:22] <maxamillion> malnilion: no, its supposed to be a meta package
[11:22] <maxamillion> !codecs
[11:22] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:22] <malnilion> Ah, okay then
[11:22] <maxamillion> :)
[11:22] <malnilion> I have the meta package installed
[11:23] <malnilion> RestrictedFormats + Medibuntu = good :D
[11:34] <Naughtyboy> malnilion, : well but you can change xfe and make it look prettier..if just take your time and look at the settings..
[11:43] <malnilion> Okay, another question which the answer might seem obvious to.  Is nvidia-glx-new newer than nvidia-glx and what is the reason for separating this package?
[11:45] <maxamillion> malnilion: not sure, but i think it has something to do with the new inclusion of a nvidia-glx-legacy package
[11:45] <malnilion> I was pretty sure the legacy package had been around...
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> 9755 - 9631 - 7184?
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> the cards legacy supports are ancient
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> some slightly less old are support by just nvidia-glx - and the new ones by -new
[11:48] <malnilion> Ah, so there's really no reason for me to get the -new unless I have a new nvidia card?
[11:48] <malnilion> That would make sense
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> I found it more stable with mine but if 9631 is stable on your card performance is not much different
[11:49] <malnilion> Yeah, I'm running a GeForce GO 7600
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> new should be fine
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> (I use 7300GT)
[12:02] <maxamillion> i run a 7900gtx on nvidia-glx and everything is fine