[12:48] <Felix765> hi, I'd like some help with ltsp
[12:49] <Felix765> I think i've got it installed OK. But I cannot connect from a (thick) client using Terminal Server Client
[12:50] <Felix765> I'm using Feisty
[12:51] <cliebow>  Felix765 terminal server  client??
[12:52] <cliebow> has  naught to do with ltsp
[12:52] <cliebow> you do meana  windows terminal server client?
[12:53] <Felix765> No, the Termianl server client in edubuntu desktop
[01:05] <Felix765> Hi pips1
[01:05] <pips1> hi
[01:05] <Felix765> Do you happen to know anything about ltsp?
[01:06] <pips1_> a little :)
[01:07] <willvdl> eeek! a clone!
[01:07] <pips1_> hehe
[01:07] <Felix765> I'm new to it. Running edubuntu server and trying to connect from edubuntu desktop, but get 'connection refused'
[01:08] <willvdl> Felix765, how are you trying to connect?
[01:08] <Felix765> I'm using the Terminal Server Client in ed. desktop
[01:08] <Felix765> Should I use RDP setting or VLC etc?
[01:09] <Felix765> How can I tell if ltsp is even running on the server? Is there a process I can grep for?
[01:09] <Felix765> I don't want to use thin client, just client app running on thick client.
[01:10] <pips1> Felix765: I would like to help you, but I'm busy preparing some text for the release tomorrow.
[01:10] <pips1> can you come back at another time?
[01:10] <Felix765> Sure
[01:10] <pips1> sorry :)
[01:10] <cliebow> Felix765, ltsp is all about  thin client..but  there are numeroous ways to get a  desktop on  a linux server
[01:11] <bimberi> Felix765: Just install a vncserver on the server and connect to that.
[01:11] <cliebow> nx  is way  cool...vnc is..well.challenged
[01:11] <cliebow> an sshvnc-applet works
[01:11] <Burgwork> cliebow: nx has serious licensing issues
[01:11] <bimberi> well, vnc is ok on a LAN ;)
[01:11] <cliebow> ohh??freenx?
[01:12] <Felix765> Doesn't vnc take over an existing running desktop, whereas terminal server method logs in to new session?
[01:12] <Burgwork> cliebow: well, freenx is nice but the nx people are not playing nice with the X people
[01:12] <bimberi> Felix765: no, that's vino
[01:12] <Felix765> bimberi: vino?
[01:12] <bimberi> Felix765: you can set up separate sessions using vnc
[01:12] <cliebow> ltsp  is about thin-client..d/l a kernel..mount aan nfs chroot
[01:12] <bimberi> !vino-server
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vino-server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <bimberi> urgh
[01:13] <cliebow> Burgwork, i am sorry to hear thatr..
[01:13] <bimberi> !info vino
[01:13] <ubotu> vino: VNC server for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.0-0ubuntu2.4 (edgy), package size 173 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[01:13] <bimberi> !vnc
[01:13] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[01:13] <ajmitch> Burgwork: you mean being a GPL-only fork of an old xfree86?
[01:14] <cliebow> heh
[01:14] <Burgwork> basically, yes
[01:14] <ajmitch> it blocks including any of the tens of thousands of lines of changes in x.org
[01:15] <Felix765> cliebow: I know that ltsp does the network boot stuff for setting up the clients, doesn't it also server-side stuff to allow connections?
[01:16] <cliebow> not really..
[01:16] <Felix765> What I want is for multiple clients, running on windows, to be able to connect to individual sessions on the server and run firefox
[01:16] <cliebow> you can take a kernel and a filesystem and plunk  it on any system that provides 4 essential services
[01:17] <Felix765> but I'm testing at the moment with Edubuntu desktop
[01:17] <cliebow> cant just use windows  firefox..i dont see the point
[01:17] <Felix765> cliebow: There is a point believe me
[01:18] <cliebow> hmmm..maybe you better explain..better  yet..explain on 3ltsp
[01:19] <Felix765> cliebow: I want users to have access to a web based document management system without the ability to retain any temporary copies which may get downloaded to their pc's
[01:19] <cliebow> err. how about running cygwin on windows?
[01:19] <Felix765> Haven't looked in to that
[01:20] <Felix765> cygwin is not free is it
[01:20] <Felix765> ?
[01:20] <cliebow> far as   iknow it is..always used to was
[01:21] <Felix765> OK. but it will require installation on 50 pc's whereas RDP for example is alreadythere and lightweight
[01:21] <cliebow> yep..
[01:21] <cliebow> just pay the Man..
[01:22] <cliebow> windows 200 server..oor 2003
[01:22] <Felix765> SO I don't need to worry about ltsp then. I just need ...?
[01:22] <bimberi> Felix765: There is this - http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/VNC_GDM .  It uses XDMCP which doesn't have a great security reputation though.
[01:22] <Felix765> Thank, I'll have a look
[01:23] <Felix765> cliebow: VNC can set up new seesions for users can it? I didn't know that
[01:24] <cliebow> you cant take over an ols session on a linux box running on  :0 x11vnc is the glue for that..but it will set up a new session
[01:25] <cliebow> running  vnc via xientd is way cool cause you get a login screen from gdm..thtat is what rmy  windows compadres do here
[01:26] <Felix765> that sounds interesting, can you provide any (more) pointers?
[01:27] <cliebow> bimberi's url is the heart of it
[01:27] <bimberi> there's also this: http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/02/16/howto-remote-desktop-with-vnc-in-ubuntu-edgy-gnu-linux/
[01:27] <Felix765> Ok, I'll go and read that.
[01:27] <cliebow> you can if you get really ored look at wiki.ltsp.org under experimentala
[01:27] <bimberi> (which looks good but very long winded I must say)
[01:28] <cliebow> for sshvnc-applet
[01:28] <Felix765> Thank guys.
[01:28] <cliebow> good luck
[01:31] <willvdl> where did my bandwidth go?
[01:35] <willvdl> pips1, all good? drop me a mail if you need anything
[01:36] <willvdl> I'll be doing the release note for the web tomorrow
[01:36] <pips1> i'm fine, matt has a lot on his hands though, me thinks
[01:54] <willvdl> night all
[03:20] <knix__> Hello all, does anyone know how to use the Rescue Mode in edgy?
[03:21] <bettsp> Hi, is there any documentation on setting up a login server for [e,x,k] Ubuntu?
[03:22] <Burgwork> login server?
[03:22] <Burgwork> ie: centralized accounts?
[03:23] <bettsp> Burgwork: Yeah, separate computers, separate installations, but they talk to one PC for /etc/passwd et al
[03:23] <Burgwork> for that you need ldap
[03:23] <bettsp> Not a full thin-client implementation
[03:23] <Burgwork> ldap, not ltsp
[03:24] <Burgwork> and why not use ltsp fat clients?
[03:24] <bettsp> Burgwork: Fat clients?
[03:24] <Burgwork> then you only need to setup one computer
[03:25] <bettsp> Burgwork: Well, none of the machines in the lab have any real power, the best we've got is like 1.4 GHz with maybe 30GB or so disk
[03:25] <Burgwork> however, for setting up ldap, you need to see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer
[03:25] <Burgwork> that is fine
[03:25] <Burgwork> fat clients do all the computing locally
[03:26] <bettsp> Ok, that sounds like exactly what I want actually
[03:27] <bettsp> When is this spec implemented as-of?
[03:27] <Burgwork> 5.10, although it takes a bit of setup todo
[03:28] <bettsp> Burgwork: Ok, so it's not brand-new by any means
[03:29] <bettsp> Burgwork: This is awesome, thanks very much for your help
[03:31] <Burgwork> no worries
[03:31] <Burgwork> we are about to launch 7.04, so the devs are pretty busy
[03:31] <Burgwork> the ldap stuff is pretty easy, but if you need help with it, come chat with me
[03:31] <Burgwork> if you need help with the ltsp stuff, ask around in here
[03:35] <bettsp> Ok, cool - we're probably gonna install 7.04, it's a college open-source software lab and everyone there is pretty computer-savvy
[03:40] <cliebow_> bettsp: id make servers of your clients in a heartbeat
[03:48] <bettsp> cliebow_: come again?
[03:49] <cliebow_> heh it sounds like your clients are better machines than my servers
[03:53] <bettsp> cliebow_: Our clients aren't that great, the machine I described is our "good" one
[03:53] <bettsp> The rest are like 700Mhz Athlon, 500 MHz P2, etc
[03:54] <cliebow_> ok...just teasing
[03:54] <cliebow_> mine are p2 200 meg with 64 meg ram
[03:54] <bettsp> cliebow_: Ouch
[03:55] <cliebow_> But they work great...now that i have 100 meg nics
[03:55] <cliebow_> instead of isa cards
[03:56] <ajmitch> yes, isa cards would be a little limiting
[03:56] <cliebow_> they gave me a foot in the door..god bless em
[06:25] <Meshezabeel> what times are meetings?
[06:28] <LaserJock> the Edubuntu meetings?
[06:36] <bimberi> !meetings
[06:36] <ubotu> Edubuntu meetings are held weekly on Wednesdays, alternating between 12:00 UTC and 20:00 UTC
[06:36] <bimberi> Just set that one up ;)
[06:39] <bimberi> @schedule
[06:39] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Apr 15:00: Development Team | 21 Apr 17:00: Support Team | 24 Apr 20:00: Technical Board | 25 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 20:00: MOTU | 26 Apr 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[06:41] <Meshezabeel> cool :) thanks :)
[06:41] <bimberi> np :)
[06:41] <bimberi> !meetings
[06:41] <ubotu> Edubuntu meetings are held weekly on Wednesdays, alternating between 12:00 UTC and 20:00 UTC.  @schedule  may show when the next one will be.
[06:44] <Meshezabeel> dumb question, is UTC same as GMT?
[06:51] <bimberi> Meshezabeel: yes
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> ok, thanks, I know I'm -600 GMT, but just wanted to make sure it was the same ;)
[06:51] <bimberi> Meshezabeel: you can do this...
[06:51] <bimberi> @schedule sydney
[06:51] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 20 Apr 01:00: Development Team | 22 Apr 03:00: Support Team | 25 Apr 06:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 06:00: Edubuntu | 27 Apr 06:00: MOTU | 27 Apr 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[06:51] <bimberi> (for a major city in your timezone)
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> Schedule for Canada/Regina
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> @Schedule for Canada/Regina
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> @Schedule for regina
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> lol
[06:51] <bimberi> @schedule regina
[06:51] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Regina: 19 Apr 09:00: Development Team | 21 Apr 11:00: Support Team | 24 Apr 14:00: Technical Board | 25 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 14:00: MOTU | 26 Apr 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[06:52] <Meshezabeel> lol, I'm dense today
[06:52] <Meshezabeel> er always ;)
[06:52] <bimberi> :)
[06:54] <Meshezabeel> course I've been trying to wash some gasoline off of some items I purchased on ebay, I think it's affecting my cognitive abilities
[06:58] <bimberi> yep, that would.  Especially if it's leaded.
[08:12] <Bhaskar> LTSP is builtin in a edubuntu live CD?
[08:12] <LaserJock> no
[08:13] <LaserJock> I think there are technical reasons
[08:13] <LaserJock> size for one I think
[08:13] <Bhaskar> LaserJock, so need to add package after installation
[08:13] <LaserJock> hmm?
[08:13] <LaserJock> you said the LiveCD
[08:15] <Bhaskar> LaserJock, i mean i have install edubuntu from live CD, then LTSP installation process?
[08:15] <LaserJock> you could do that
[08:15] <LaserJock> but you are better off installing from the server disk
[08:16] <Bhaskar> LaserJock, i want to know LTSP package is not included on that CD, then i need to download LTSP package then install ya?
[08:16] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:17] <Bhaskar> LaserJock, so LTSP package for Ubuntu , ya
[08:18] <LaserJock> yes, you can do that
[08:19] <Bhaskar> LaserJock, so i need to dl from Tarball image, ya
[08:19] <LaserJock> no no
[08:20] <Bhaskar> LaserJock, how ?
[08:20] <LaserJock> you need to install the ltsp packages from the Ubuntu repositry
[08:20] <Bhaskar> LaserJock, sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server
[08:20] <LaserJock> sounds about right
[08:22] <Bhaskar> Laser_away,  it takes a lots time coz low bandwidth, i suggest LTSP package should be integrated on CD/DVD as K12ltsp integrated in Fedora core
[08:23] <Bhaskar> Laser_away, for edubuntu, ya
[08:24] <bimberi> Bhaskar: it's on the Edubuntu Server CD
[08:24] <Bhaskar> ogra, hi
[08:24] <Bhaskar> bimberi, in edubuntu server CD, ltsp is built in?
[08:25] <bimberi> Bhaskar: yes
[08:25] <Bhaskar> bimberi, in which ver.?
[08:25] <ajmitch> hey bimberi
[08:26] <bimberi> Bhaskar: feisty.  In Edgy it's called the 'install cd'
[08:26] <bimberi> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/
[08:26] <bimberi> hi ajmitch :)
[08:31] <Bhaskar> bimberi, so  edubuntu-6.10-live-i386.iso    contains LTSP
[08:31] <bimberi> Bhaskar: no
[08:32] <Bhaskar> bimberi, so for Server CD image?
[08:32] <bimberi> Bhaskar: edubuntu-6.06.1-install-i386.iso has a text mode installer that will install the ltsp server
[08:32] <Bhaskar> ok
[08:39] <Bhaskar> bimberi, feisty-dvd-i386.iso contains ltsp server or not?
[08:41] <bimberi> Bhaskar: yes it dows
[08:41] <bimberi> *does
[08:42] <Bhaskar> bimberi, it is LIve CD as well as installation CD, having edubuntu+LTSP server, ya
[08:44] <bimberi> Bhaskar: yes I'm fairly sure the DVDs are 'live'.  I've never used one though
[08:44] <Bhaskar> bimberi, this is realeased today
[08:45] <Bhaskar> ogra, hello
[09:08] <juliux> good morning
[09:31] <RichEd> hi juliux
[09:31] <juliux> RichEd, i will support the edubuntu install iso today via my rootserver
[09:32] <RichEd> thanks ... wow sounds like a decent chunk
[09:32] <RichEd> do you know if there is a release notes page on the wiki for feisty ?
[09:32] <RichEd> I'm wrapping up the announcement mail now
[09:32] <juliux> a friend has a rootserver with a traffic flat;)
[09:32] <RichEd> sweet
[09:34] <juliux> hm i have no idea about the wiki
[09:37] <RichEd> thanks
[09:38] <juliux> RichEd, did you have a time for the release?
[09:38] <RichEd> approx 2 hours from now
[09:39] <juliux> thxs
[09:45] <RichEd> highvoltage: where's edubuntugirl when I need her ?
[09:47] <pips1> moin
[09:48] <juliux> RichEd, edubuntugirl is installing feisty at the moment;)
[09:48] <RichEd> ah ... RichEd likes feisty girls
[09:48] <SiCk> morning everyone
[09:49] <juliux> hi SiCk
[10:10] <SiCk> anyone know much about nfs file systems etc?
[10:10] <SiCk> yarr
[10:10] <SiCk> ogra would be the main man. he made me do it. :P
[10:11] <juliux> SiCk, i use nfs but i don't realy know about the options
[10:14] <SiCk> eep, gotta run .. back in 20 !
[10:51] <RichEd> ping ogra
[10:55] <juliux> hin highvoltage
[10:56] <ogra> morning
[10:57] <ogra> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/biographies/en/msd_computers?c=us&l=en&s=corp
[10:57] <juliux> morning ogra
[10:57] <ogra> michael dell runs ubuntu .... and has automatix installed :(
[10:57] <juliux> args automatix
[11:14] <juliux> hi willvdl
[11:14] <willvdl> hi there
[11:15] <SiCk> morning ogra
[11:19] <RichEd> pips1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/7.04Tour <- yes, you can include this on the getting started page ... just make a note that edubuntu will look a little different due to the theming, but the features are available in both
[11:26] <pips1> ok
[11:27] <willvdl> hey pips1 , looking at GettingStarted?
[11:27] <pips1> yes
[11:29] <pips1> I'll just add a very short paragraph at the top, saying that the page is mainly only relevant to 6.06 LTS, and that in Feisty, more steps are taken care of automatically
[11:30] <pips1> juliux: that prompted me to check out #ubuntu
[11:30] <juliux> pips1, hehe
[11:30] <SiCk> hey , juliux, about that nfs jobbie... i have /etc/exports set to rw , etc and nfs is restarted, yet on my client i'm getting ' read-only filesystem '
[11:30] <SiCk> when i try and run anything really
[11:31] <SiCk> llike it wont mount to the server for some reason :|
[11:31] <juliux> did you restarted nfs-common or nfs-kernel-server via init.d?
[11:31] <SiCk> yep, both!
[11:32] <juliux> and you have write permissions on the path on the server?
[11:32] <SiCk> and ltsp-client-setup rw_dirs has been commented out
[11:32] <SiCk> um, should do!
[11:32] <SiCk> i think :s
[11:32] <SiCk> er, copy_dirs even, not rw_dirs
[11:33] <SiCk> the other copydirs that is in the file is copy_dirs="$copy_dirs /etc/X11 /var/lib/x11"
[11:33] <SiCk> so those should be accessible by the client you're saying?
[11:34] <ogra> SiCk, you only want to write to /home/kiosk ... so make sure to get that writeable ;)
[11:35] <SiCk> right, there's that sorted
[11:35] <SiCk> i think...
[11:36] <SiCk> i was just wondering ogra, in ltsp-client-setup, i have 3 instances of copy_dirs , should they all be commented? or should it be okay?
[11:37] <ogra> only the one that refers to /home
[11:37] <SiCk> good good
[11:37] <ogra> make sure /home/kiosk is really owned by kiosk and that its rw for the user
[11:38] <SiCk> there's no way of doing that from the server no? do that on the client?
[11:38] <SiCk> since kiosk is only a user on the client chroot
[11:40] <ogra> you can do it with the chroot command as well as directly on the client if your nfs export is readwrite...
[11:47] <SiCk> 775 should be a sufficient chmod yes?
[11:47] <SiCk> i've chown'd it
[11:50] <willvdl> pips1, working on the announcement
[11:51] <willvdl> won't "publish", only "submit"
[11:52] <pips1> ok
[11:52] <pips1> once it's ready to be published, we can add it to the 'news' sidebar
[11:53] <willvdl> sweet.
[11:53] <willvdl> going a little slower since I'm real-time checking for consistency with mail announcement
[11:57] <SiCk> ogra, it's still moaning that i'm in a read only filesystem. :(
[11:59] <SiCk> i dont get it. all the settings are set, all permissions have been given...
[11:59] <SiCk> 	 /home/kiosk has the owner of kiosk and chmod 775 ...
[12:02] <ogra> pastebin your /etc/exports file
[12:05] <SiCk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16372/
[12:09] <pips1> nixternal: ping
[12:32] <SiCk> ogra, see any problems with it? looks pretty normal to me :/
[12:34] <ogra> you could try adding insecure to the options
[12:34] <ogra> (dont leave that there indeed ;))
[12:35] <SiCk> so, *(rw,insecure,no_root_squash,async) ?
[12:36] <ogra> yep
[12:36] <SiCk> well ill give it a go, ill try anything at the mo. haha
[12:42] <SiCk> the wall isnt read only
[01:44] <ogra> whee, have you seen #ubuntu ? 1440 people in there
[01:46] <cbx33> hehe
[01:57] <pips1> :)
[02:33] <faffelaf> hi..... cant find the mirrorlist on edubuntu.org.... where did it go? Something worng with the isos?
[02:34] <ogra> it gets updated ...
[02:34] <ogra> as soon as the release is out the list should be there
[02:34] <ogra> pips1, right ?
[02:35] <faffelaf> I already downloaded the i386 7.04, but the burning crashes in the finalizing stage......
[02:35] <nixternal> pips1: pong?
[02:36] <pips1> ogra: yes, it will be
[02:36] <pips1> nixternal: hi
[02:36] <nixternal> hi pips1
[02:36] <faffelaf> So.. the final is not out yet?
[02:36] <pips1> nixternal: I was wondering about the Edubuntu Handbook on help.ubuntu.com ? do you know when it will be available?
[02:37] <faffelaf> wonder what I dl then?
[02:37] <nixternal> this week hopefully
[02:37] <nixternal> there should be a 7.04 tab shortly I would think
[02:37] <ogra> faffelaf, its out if the announcement is out ... which will happen if all issues like mirror updates are solved
[02:37] <faffelaf> Its not mirrored yet?
[02:38] <faffelaf> thx
[02:38] <faffelaf> bad timing.. I need to put up a server on a school today.... Guess I will have to spend my weekend there then... :)
[02:39] <ogra> its unlikely that the iso will change or something :)
[02:40] <faffelaf> My iso, on the i386 server install cd, is 692,7 MB (726327296 bytes)......... if anyone have the iso lying around, can you plz check the size for me... plz
[02:41] <faffelaf> ups... just saw the error, its not complete
[02:41] <ogra> did you check the md5sum ?
[02:41] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/7.04/MD5SUMS
[02:43] <faffelaf> nice.. thx.. the chucksum matches
[02:43] <faffelaf> so it must be a-ok
[02:44] <ogra> then i'd guess you have bad media
[02:44] <ogra> is it a 700MB one ?
[02:44] <faffelaf> tried 2 burns..... both failed... could be my drive... I will try on another burner.
[02:45] <faffelaf> how much does it need for the finalizing....? isn't it something like 50 mb?
[02:45] <ogra> dont burn to fast as well ... :) (even though that shouldnt influence finalization)
[02:45] <cbx33> heheh
[02:45] <faffelaf> I burn max. 20x
[02:45] <ogra> try 8x
[02:45] <faffelaf> the cd's are 40x or so
[02:46] <faffelaf> i will.... I have a webcd burner in the serverroom, will try that.
[02:52] <faffelaf> It's now burning on a 700MB CD (different brand) 8x, on the server.  70% more to go... wish me luck. :)
[02:58] <knix_> How many hours left?
[03:00] <faffelaf> Well, I was fortunate to grap the isos (i386) on a server in norway... ftp://ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu-iso/edubuntu/feisty/       ... it's full now i'm affraid.
[03:03] <faffelaf> YES... burn completed... at speed 8 in real TAO mode for single session. burned more than 2000 CD's on that burner (lite-on) never failed... Will try the add-on CD now.
[03:11] <faffelaf> Ogra & the rest, thank you for your help, everything is good so far.. lets see how it installs on my  HP - X2 XEON server, with SAS disks, in RAID 1. Until then.. bye
[03:11] <ogra> feel fre to come back any time :)
[03:11] <ogra> *free
[03:12] <faffelaf> I will.. thx
[03:29] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:29] <ogra> sbalneav, hey
[03:30] <sbalneav> Heya ogra!
[03:30] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices
[03:30] <ogra> ;)
[03:30] <ogra> and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ldm-improvements
[03:32] <ogra> while you will attac the communcation side of things in ltspfs i'll catch on the desktop side this time ;)
[03:32] <ogra> *attack
[03:32] <pips1> hey sbalneav
[03:33] <sbalneav> hey hey
[04:32] <SiCk> is it a bad idea to have copy_dirs as just /
[04:32] <ogra> if you have the time to wait until your whole system got copied into memory ...
[04:32] <SiCk> i'm going for all out war on the client after a break for a couple.
[04:33] <ogra> and if you have the ram (500M>)
[04:33] <SiCk> ah.. balls.
[04:33] <SiCk> not on this server no...
[04:33] <ogra> but it wont gain you anything, you know that ...
[04:33] <SiCk> the one with 16gb of ram is upstairs :(
[04:33] <ogra> adding stuff to copy dirs puts it in ram
[04:33] <SiCk> ah right
[04:33] <ogra> that means changes are lost on shutdown ...
[04:33] <ogra> you want the opposite
[04:34] <SiCk> i dont want it copying /home in
[04:34] <SiCk> so that it uses the one from the server
[04:34] <SiCk> or.. lets it write to the one on the server... now im understanding
[04:35] <SiCk> it hates me as soon as i apply the comment on that line though
[04:35] <SiCk> ' read only filesystem '
[04:36] <SiCk> i thought it was the other way round there
[04:37] <RichEd> sbalneav: did you get the announcement ?
[04:38] <RichEd> (hi)
[04:38] <pips1> hehe
[04:39] <ogra> go www.edubuntu.org, go ...
[04:39] <pips1> I got the announcements on both -devel and -users
[04:39] <ogra> yay, now it loads
[04:40] <pips1> whoa the site is crunching
[04:40] <ogra> shouldnt we have something on the startpage ...
[04:40] <ogra> like a banner or so
[04:40] <RichEd> pips1: was looking for an independent opinion ... you're involved :)
[04:41] <RichEd> ther is the news announcement in the sidebar for all pages ... we can add a short news paragraph ?
[04:41] <ogra> yeah, its a bit hidden imho
[04:41] <RichEd> pips1: ?? how easy / difficult is it to add a leader paragraph for a few days ?
[04:41] <pips1> on difficult, lemme see
[04:41] <pips1> *not
[04:41] <ogra> welll, its still way more beautioful than ubuntu atm ...
[04:41] <pips1> hehe
[04:41] <RichEd> pips1: shall I do a paragreph ?
[04:43] <SiCk> ogra, if i add a line in /etc/exports, say... /opt/ltsp/i386/home *(rw,no_root_squash,async)
[04:43] <SiCk> would that make a difference
[04:43] <ogra> no
[04:43] <SiCk> or even direct to the kiosk folder
[04:43] <SiCk> guessing im thinking in the wrong place then
[04:43] <ogra> the settings apply to all subfolders ...
[04:44] <ogra> if you set /opt/ltsp to it everything underneath has the same
[04:44] <SiCk> ah, right, i understand
[04:47] <LaserJock> ogra: congrats!!
[04:48] <ogra> LaserJock, same to you !
[04:48] <LaserJock> well, I didn't manage to do much :/
[04:48] <LaserJock> but I tried anyway :-)
[04:49] <ogra> you bropught us the handbook :)
[04:50] <LaserJock> well, it was a community effort
[04:52] <pips1> the handbook is great, congrats
[04:52] <RichEd> thanks to all of you and all of us
[04:52] <ogra> :)
[04:52] <RichEd> and another victory for the free world against capitalism
[04:52] <RichEd> :)
[04:52] <pips1> pfft
[04:52] <ogra> *g*
[04:53] <nixternal> rock on! Congrats everyone! Great job on all of the hard work (LaserJock did all of my work though) :)
[04:53] <RichEd> *graffiti
[04:53] <LaserJock> ogra: is there a mandatory holiday now?
[04:53] <LaserJock> :-)
[04:54] <ogra> well, the archive is locked ... but there are many specs to be prepared
[04:54] <SimonAnibal> WooHoo!, grabbing from the local University's mirror (ussg.indiana.edu) is netting me upwards of 500 kb/s
[04:54] <ogra> nice !
[04:54] <RichEd> SimonAnibal: w00t
[04:54] <SimonAnibal> awwwwwww, it's slowing down
[04:54] <SimonAnibal> Maybe I told too many people ;-)
[04:54] <pips1> RichEd: hehe
[04:55] <SimonAnibal> Oh, no, it's going back up!
[04:55] <SimonAnibal> 800, amazing!
[04:55] <SimonAnibal> At this rate I'll have it in about 20 minutes, maybe I should go to lunch...
[04:55] <LaserJock> I'm glad I have a local feisty mirror ;-)
[04:55] <LaserJock> SimonAnibal: you from indiana?
[04:56] <SimonAnibal> LaserJock: Yeap, Bloomington this week; Fort Wayne next
[04:56] <SimonAnibal> Wow, it hit 1 MB/sec there for a bit...I need these speeds at home!
[04:57] <SimonAnibal> Hey, is ntfs-3g on Feisty?
[04:57] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache search ntfs-3g
[04:57] <ogra> libntfs-3g-dev - ntfs-3g filesystem in userspace (FUSE) library headers
[04:57] <ogra> libntfs-3g0 - ntfs-3g filesystem in userspace (FUSE) library
[04:57] <ogra> ntfs-3g - read-write NTFS driver for FUSE
[04:58] <highvoltage> RichEd: please don't aplaud me for this release, I totally don't deserve it
[04:58] <SimonAnibal> neat, installed by default?
[04:58] <highvoltage> (and will add willvdl and sbalneavs)
[04:58] <ogra> SimonAnibal, universe
[04:59] <SimonAnibal> Well, that's better than not; definitely
[04:59] <knix_> If I had the beta installed, is there anything special to do to update it othere that apt-get upgrade?
[05:00] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[05:00] <knix_> kewl
[05:01] <RichEd> highvoltage: you are always around and concistent ... that is a help in itself for keeping the community together
[05:01] <RichEd> *consistent
[05:02] <LaserJock> holy cow, my debian-tex svn checkout ended up at 22GB
[05:03] <highvoltage> RichEd: :)
[05:07] <LaserJock> RichEd: agreed
[05:07] <LaserJock> we do need more workers, but cheerleaders are also good
[05:07] <SiCk> ogra, i think that im a wee bit closer
[05:08] <SiCk> it's talking about ' user ' 's $HOME directory not having permissions
[05:08] <SiCk> and that user only exists on the server
[05:09] <LaserJock> RichEd: even worse, imagine both highvoltage and I in a cheerleader costume
[05:09] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:12] <SimonAnibal> Yay! Done!
[05:12] <SimonAnibal> 17:42
[05:14] <SimonAnibal> That's an average of 659 kb/sec
[05:14] <SimonAnibal> Boy, those speeds would be nice at home
[05:16] <pips1> RichEd: reload www.edubuntu.org ... how is that for the banner?
[05:17] <RichEd> looking
[05:17] <cbx33> well done all!!!!
[05:17] <cbx33> hey RichEd
[05:17] <RichEd> pips1: waiting ... we lost the london office on #canonical ... data centre may be iffy
[05:18] <cbx33> ouch
[05:18] <cbx33> DoS?
[05:18] <pips1> oops
[05:18] <cbx33> ;)
[05:22] <juliux> pips1, take a look at http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[05:23] <cbx33> wow
[05:23] <cbx33> when was it relased?
[05:23] <cbx33> how long ago?
[05:23] <juliux> cbx33, perhpas 30min
[05:23] <cbx33> NO way!
[05:23] <juliux> cbx33, they reset the counter
[05:23] <pips1> wow
[05:23] <cbx33> really?
[05:23] <LaserJock> cbx33: like 2 days ago, where were you? ;-)
[05:23] <cbx33> LaserJock, whahaa?
[05:23] <cbx33> what are you doing here
[05:24] <juliux> cbx33, refresh the site and you can see how the traffic grows
[05:24] <cbx33> That's insane
[05:24] <LaserJock> cbx33: me? I'm partying!
[05:24] <cbx33> hehehe
[05:24] <LaserJock> wahooooooo!
[05:24] <LaserJock> \o/
[05:24] <cbx33> :(
[05:24] <cbx33> i missed a lot recently
[05:24] <cbx33> sorry guys
[05:24] <juliux> pls party in #ubuntu-release-party;)
[05:25] <LaserJock> cbx33: well, I never said I was partying because I did so much ;-)
[05:27] <bddebian> Heya
[05:29] <RichEd> pips1: header looks good ... thanks
[05:29] <pips1> ok
[05:30] <RichEd> pips1: and ? going up dramatically or not /
[05:30] <pips1> steadily climbing
[05:31] <pips1> but we are getting much less referrals from ubuntu.com, because the basic front page doesn't include the link to us...
[05:31] <juliux> out for examen
[05:31] <RichEd> pips1: the people who know us will find us
[05:31] <pips1> juliux: all the best
[05:31] <juliux> thxs pips1
[05:32] <RichEd> i've asked newz2000 for more prominence on ubuntu.com ... we'll work on it
[05:32] <RichEd> juliux: from me too
[05:33] <cbx33> why did they change the front page?
[05:33] <cbx33> to facilitate maximum downloads?
[05:33] <LaserJock> dude
[05:33] <RichEd> cbx33: server load and ease of download ... most people visiting today want a download
[05:34] <LaserJock> you should have seen the forums last night
[05:34] <cbx33> torrent site seems down
[05:34] <cbx33> yeh?
[05:34] <LaserJock> they were installing automatic refresher programs
[05:34] <cbx33> seems i missed out on all th fun
[05:34] <RichEd> #ubuntu has like 1500 people in it
[05:34] <cbx33> WOW
[05:34] <cbx33> we ROCK
[05:34] <LaserJock> there were seriously 50+ pages on the forums in less than3 hrs
[05:34] <RichEd> 1529 and climbing
[05:35] <LaserJock> all, "I don't see it! I don't see it! Where is it?!?!?!"
[05:35] <pips1> hehe
[05:36] <pips1> it's so nice and quiet here
[05:36] <cbx33> yeh
[05:36] <SiCk> is not!
[05:36] <cbx33> compared to others it is
[05:37] <LaserJock> well
[05:37] <LaserJock> tomorrow you guys will get some visitors
[05:38] <cbx33> eh?
[05:38] <cbx33> planet is down
[05:39] <cbx33> guess it's not a priority now ;)
[05:39] <cbx33> I'd love to visit Canonical Data Centre ;)
[05:39] <pips1> yeah, I was thinking the same
[05:39] <cbx33> seeing all those blinkin lights
[05:40] <cbx33> showing how damn popular Ubuntu is
[05:41] <pips1> arg, I'm getting all those 404 in the logs, because distrowatch has a wrong link on their site
[05:41] <RichEd> pips1: what is their link ?
[05:42] <RichEd> and can you mail a correction to them ?
[05:42] <pips1> yeah, I should
[05:42] <pips1> it's on this page http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=edubuntu
[05:42] <pips1> Download Mirrors  	 http://www.edubuntu.org/PreviewReleaseFeedback/
[05:43] <pips1> I don't know where the heck they got that url from
[05:55] <pips1> http://shots.linuxquestions.org/index.php?os=edubuntu
[05:55] <pips1> "High volume due to today's release of Ubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" (+ Slashdot) is causing temporary service problems."
[06:02] <MrWizard14> how do you run ssh on edubuntu?
[06:04] <pips1> MrWizard14: do you mean a ssh server?
[06:04] <pips1> from where to where do you want to connect?
[06:05] <MrWizard14> edubuntu to Mac OS X
[06:05] <MrWizard14> it's set up
[06:05] <pips1> ssh is available by default
[06:05] <MrWizard14> what command is it?
[06:05] <LaserJock> ssh
[06:05] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:05] <MrWizard14> so shh Username@ip
[06:05] <MrWizard14> ?
[06:06] <pips1> yes
[06:06] <pips1> try "man ssh"
[06:06] <pips1> for a manual of ssh on the command line
[06:06] <pips1> press "q" to quit the manual
[06:26] <sacater> highvoltage: hi
[06:27] <sacater> highvoltage: im back from school and haircut
[06:28] <sacater> highvoltage: *poke*
[06:28] <sacater> :o
[06:29] <highvoltage> sacater: ouch! don't poke so hard!
[06:29] <highvoltage> that's pygi's job :)
[06:29] <sacater> okies
[06:29] <sacater> go on gizmo
[06:29] <highvoltage> sacater: just joking :)
[06:29] <sacater> ive fixed my end
[06:30] <highvoltage> I'll have to try gizmo again a bit later, I'm still at work and will leave in about a minute or so
[06:30] <highvoltage> catch you again later...
[06:30] <sacater> ok ill be back later
[06:48] <pips1> see you all!
[06:52] <sacater> highvoltage: im back
[06:56] <sacater> highvoltage: im bacl
[06:56] <sacater> back
[07:14] <slyfox> Can someone help me with how to limit time for linux users? Say I want a specific user to auto log of at 10pm on weekdays ?
[07:23] <Dlozo> hey all
[07:27] <slyfox> Can someone help me with how to limit time for linux users? Say I want a specific user to auto log of at 10pm on weekdays ?
[07:37] <sacater> !repeat slyfox
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about repeat slyfox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <sacater> slyfox: that can be done, but wait for an answer
[07:37] <sacater> dont say 12 minutes apart
[07:37] <slyfox> sorry
[07:37] <sacater> people do read channel y'know
[07:38] <slyfox> timeoutd should do what I need, but it is not working, so I also need to isntall timeout in order for timeoutd to work ?
[08:06] <sacater> no idea
[08:06] <sacater> perhaps
[08:06] <sacater> highvoltage: art thou back home yet?
[09:46] <sacater> highvoltage: still not home :
[09:46] <sacater> :o
[10:53] <sacater> highvoltage: aw come on
[10:54] <sacater> you must be back by now
[10:54] <LaserJock> he's probably asleep
[10:55] <sacater> maybe
[10:55] <sacater> hasnt been on all day :|
[10:58] <LaserJock> well, he's a busy guy
[10:59] <sacater> yep
[10:59] <sacater> bit like me
[10:59] <sacater> i live off liquid caffeine though
[11:03] <LaserJock> well, he's running a company so he doesn't always have time for IRC
[11:07] <juliux> LaserJock, highvoltage was online this morning