[12:33] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/kwww/announcements/7.04-release.php
[12:33] <nixternal> ^^ PROOFERS NEEDED
[12:38] <instructor> sed 1d
[12:38] <instructor> nixternal: It's coming out next Friday?
[12:38] <nixternal> didn't I change the date
[12:39] <nixternal> k, fixed :)
[12:39] <nixternal> I swore I changed that earlier
[12:42] <Riddell> nixternal: the winfoss screenshot is out of date, I can do that if you don't have a windows machine
[12:42] <nixternal> Riddell: I have one, but won't be able to hit it until later tonight
[12:42] <lnxkde> nixternal, nice
[12:42] <nixternal> lnxkde: thanks
[12:43] <nixternal> I forgot to bring a CD with me to school. I was going to do it here
[12:46] <instructor> nixternal: You neighbour on last.fm ?
[12:47] <Arby> nixternal: misspelt apologises and development in WinFOSS section
[12:47] <nixternal> that means they were wrong in Edgy as well then
[12:48] <nixternal> Arby: that is supposed to be Localisation, but for some reason I forgot the <h2>
[12:49] <instructor> Why don't you have FOSS Free open source software?
[12:50] <Arby> I understand the s|z thing but development is missing an e and apologise is only one p isn't it?
[12:51] <nixternal> wow, there were quite a few typos ;)
[12:51] <nixternal> fixed them with a spell check
[12:51] <nixternal> instructor: where? WinFOSS?
[12:51] <nixternal> WinFOSS is the name of the actuall app we are using
[12:52] <Arby> nixternal: so you got the ones under requirements as well?
[12:52] <nixternal> and if you read the paragraph in that section, FOSS is defined
[12:52] <nixternal> 64 or fam?
[12:52] <nixternal> haha
[12:52] <Arby> yes that
[12:52] <nixternal> ya, got that one
[12:52] <Arby> also availabel
[12:53] <nixternal> yup
[12:53] <nixternal> speeeeel checker got it
[12:53] <Arby> cool :)
[12:53] <nixternal> refresh for the fixed version
[12:53] <instructor> nixternal: Yes but it means Free Open source Software
[12:53] <instructor>  You just have Free Software
[12:53] <instructor> it looks strange to me
[12:53] <nixternal> read the paragraph
[12:54] <instructor> Yeah I guess
[12:54] <instructor> Still feels funny but it is a long phrase
[12:54] <instructor> Should translations have a heading?
[12:54] <instructor> It looks like part of WinFOSS
[12:54] <nixternal> refresh
[12:54] <instructor> proxy cached :(
[12:56] <instructor> vitalization
[12:56] <instructor> Is that a word?
[12:56] <Arby> nixternal: will KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems exist by tomorrow, currently returns page does not exist
[12:56] <nixternal> virtualization, good catch instructor
[12:57] <nixternal> Arby: will create it, yes
[12:57] <nixternal> there should be one more page that doesn't exist yet as well
[12:57] <Arby> haven't tried all the links yet
[12:58] <instructor> nixternal: You have it more than once
[12:58] <nixternal> then again if the page doesn't exist, that means there are no problems ;)
[12:58] <nixternal> instructor: you know why, stupid spell checker took virtualise and did that
[12:58] <nixternal> I was just fixing those right as you said that
[12:58] <Arby> err, yeah :)
[12:59] <Arby> ah, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ KubuntuFeistyComments is the other missing page
[12:59] <Arby> is the url supposed to have a space in it
[12:59] <Arby> ?
[12:59] <nixternal> Kate irritates me with the line breaks and adding a silly space
[12:59] <nixternal> that is Kate doing that
[01:00] <nixternal> that is interesting
[01:00] <instructor> ^^
[01:05] <nixternal> OK, all of those spaces should be fixed now
[01:08] <nixternal> back on later to do more tweaking as you add the notes
[01:10] <Arby> nixternal: 'The alternate CD allows you perform custom' - missing 'to'
[01:11] <Riddell> lnxkde: https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/
[01:14] <lnxkde> Riddell, thankx, that is final right?
[01:19] <Riddell> no, we don't release until tomorrow
[01:19] <lnxkde> Riddell, ok nice will be downloading rc in minutes
[01:19] <lnxkde> :)
[02:26] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm off to bed, I expect the release to be early european morning so make sure to push your changes to your repository and we'll be all set
[03:23] <ryanakca> Weee! April 19th! well, part of the world is...
[03:23] <ryanakca> when is feisty released? and when does work on gibbon start?
[03:23] <jjesse> i think feisty is released tomorrow
[03:24] <seele> imbrandon: ive seemed to fallen off planet ubuntu?
[03:25] <ajmitch> ryanakca: work on gutsy has already started
[03:25] <jjesse> really?
[03:28] <ryanakca> ajmitch: really? well... when is there something that /I/ can do to help out... I can't really build kernels and X11, etc... that's taken care of by the genius
[03:28] <ryanakca> s/genius/genius' or those on the canoncial payroll, or those who've been using linux for 7-8 years
[03:28] <jjesse> i wasn't aware that the builds were open
[03:28] <ajmitch> I'm sure there's some small thing you'd like to see packaged, that you could do & put on REVU for universe
[03:29] <ajmitch> jjesse: they're not, but I've still got stuff queued for gutsy
[03:29] <jjesse> oh
[03:30] <ScottK> ryanakca: Bug triaging and getting fixes in the hopper for when the gutsy repos open is good.
[03:57] <ryanakca> ScottK: kk
[04:56] <nixternal> scribus is still on the WinFOSS CD
[04:56] <nixternal> so there is Scribus, Firefox, and Thunderbird
[04:57] <ScottK> Open Office?
[04:59] <nixternal> nope
[05:00] <nixternal> just 3 apps
[05:00] <nixternal> break time
[08:30] <imbrandon> seele, ping
[08:30] <imbrandon> seele, yea Riddell pulled the RSS feed because you werent a member yet ( ubuntu/kubuntu member ) and I dident realize
[08:31] <imbrandon> soooo its my job now to encourage you to go for membership
[08:31] <giangy> hi imbrandon
[08:32] <imbrandon> hello giangy
[08:50] <Hobbsee> hi all
[08:51] <ScottK> Good morning.
[08:51] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:51] <giangy> hi Hobbsee
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hi giangy :)
[08:51] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!! :)
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato!
[09:41] <_StefanS_> kwwii: you there ? :)
[09:41] <_StefanS_> hi all
[09:41] <Jucato> oh hi _StefanS_! long time :)
[09:41] <_StefanS_> yea :)
[09:41] <_StefanS_> taking care of family and work.. stuff takes most of your time
[09:41] <_StefanS_> bought a new car aswell
[09:42] <Jucato> wow
[09:42] <Jucato> :D
[09:48] <Riddell> nixternal: waa, you didn't push your changes
[09:49] <Riddell> ah hah, his branch is also at http://www.nixternal.com/kwww/
[09:57] <Riddell> arg, that's not up to date
[10:00] <Riddell> aah, maybe it's all my fault
[10:01] <Riddell> why yes it is
[10:05] <_StefanS_> brainspill..
[10:06] <_StefanS_> :)
[10:06] <Jucato> :D
[10:08] <Riddell> now, if only someone would being me some irn-bru I could release feisty
[10:25] <_StefanS_> que?
[10:25] <_StefanS_> irn-bru ?
[10:25] <_StefanS_> Riddell: what about that guy complaining on the networkmanager issues ?
[10:26] <_StefanS_> Riddell: and thunderbird 2.0 ? :)
[11:16] <Riddell> _StefanS_: many people complain about network manager, but it's mostly been fixed
[11:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes, I see that... I myself haven't had issues since about 2 months ago
[11:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: guess its minority of the users
[11:17] <Jucato> hi Riddell! just a quick question: how/from where will the dist-upgrade tool be made available on edgy?
[11:17] <jsgotangco> change the sources?
[11:17] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:17] <Jucato> er?
[11:18] <Jucato> the dist-upgrade tool will do that automatically
[11:18] <jsgotangco> yeah, but you're smarter to use that right? :)
[11:18] <Jucato> question is how will edgy users get the dist-upgrade tool
[11:18] <Jucato> oh not for me :P
[11:18] <jsgotangco> there's a swich
[11:18] <Jucato> since last..um.. can't remember
[11:19] <Riddell> Jucato: if it all goes to plan it should magically appear
[11:20] <Jucato> Riddell: ah from the -updates repository
[11:20] <jsgotangco> yep
[11:20] <Riddell> Jucato: no, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release will be updated and that points to where to download the upgrader
[11:20] <Riddell> so Adept should go, aha a new release
[11:21] <jsgotangco> wow
[11:21] <Jucato> jsgotangco: until this release, there was no dist-upgrade/upgrade manager for kubuntu so it's very new
[11:21] <Jucato> aah I see
[11:21] <Riddell> but we need people to test it since the final thing has not been tested before
[11:21] <jsgotangco> Jucato: yep familiar with it
[11:22] <jsgotangco> so adept had an update to accomodate it huh?
[11:23] <Jucato> I guess so. Adept keeps getting better and better :)
[11:23] <Jucato> (hopefully)
[11:23] <Riddell> jsgotangco: yes, in edgy-updates
[11:32] <_StefanS_> ah thats sweet.. michael dell runs ubuntu on his home laptop :)
[11:38] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[11:38] <viviersf> Riddell, who does the artwork for kubuntu
[11:38] <Riddell> hi viviersf
[11:38] <Riddell> viviersf: that'll be kwwii
[11:38] <viviersf> Riddell, especially usplash
[11:38] <viviersf> kwwii, PING
[11:39] <Riddell> yes, kwwii
[11:39] <viviersf> Riddell, thx bud
[11:43] <kwwii> viviersf: pong
[11:47] <\sh> Riddell: do you have packages for feisty?
[11:47] <\sh> Riddell: or are they already in feisty?
[11:48] <Riddell> \sh: of what?
[11:48] <Riddell> KDE 4 is in feisty universe
[11:49] <viviersf> kwwii, can you help me with sumthing plz
[11:51] <apokryphos> nearly 400 in #kubuntu 8)
[11:51] <apokryphos> just don't look at the #ubuntu amount :o
[11:51] <Jucato> just 3 more persons
[12:19] <Jucato> Riddell: hm... so you mean the dist-upgrade tool will be available same time that feisty is released (when the changelog file is updated)?
[12:20] <Riddell> Jucato: yes
[12:20] <Jucato> ah thanks :)
[12:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: have you tried thunderbird 2.0 ?
[12:34] <Jucato> _StefanS_: no... I don't use thunderbird (and barely use firefox on Linux)...
[12:34] <_StefanS_> mkay
[12:34] <_StefanS_> you like konqueror?
[12:34] <Jucato> for most of my browsing needs? yes
[01:04] <mhb> hi folks
[01:13] <ryanakca> hmmm.... irn-bru
[01:39] <\sh> Riddell: kde4 is not starting up on feisty...
[01:39] <\sh> (on my laptop at least)
[02:34] <nixternal> Riddell: did you get it? I pushed/committed my changes :)
[02:35] <Riddell> nixternal: yes thanks
[02:35] <Riddell> all going great
[02:35] <nixternal> groovy
[02:35] <nixternal> WinFOSS still has Scribus
[02:35] <nixternal> KDE-PIM was removed though
[02:35] <Riddell> yes, I forgot that
[02:36] <jsgotangco> even my edgy update is darn slow
[02:36] <nixternal> haha
[02:37] <Riddell> don't use the london data centre now
[02:38] <nixternal> heh
[02:38] <nixternal> I use the Indiana University FTP repos
[02:38] <nixternal> they are super fast
[02:38] <jsgotangco> crazy
[02:38] <Riddell> anyone with access to elite university type bandwidth should start torrenting
[02:39] <jsgotangco> the last time i saw something like this crazy was just before dapper
[02:39] <nixternal> Riddell: I will setup a couple of boxes as soon as I get there this morning
[02:39] <jsgotangco> but this tops them all
[02:39] <nixternal> I need to do it here as well
[02:39] <nixternal> are the torrents ready?
[02:39] <Riddell> the kubuntu ones are
[02:39] <jsgotangco> and people would rather believe at digg than the official annoucement
[02:40] <jsgotangco> they are?
[02:40] <nixternal> Hobbsee: HAPPY RELEASE DAY!!!
[02:40] <nixternal> HAPPY RELEASE DAY TO EVERYONE!!!
[02:40] <jsgotangco> wee
[02:41] <nixternal> if I could figure out the CLI torrent client I would rock it, but I don't have time
[02:41] <nixternal> so I will fire up KTorrent here and start torrenting
[02:41] <Hobbsee> woo!
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal, nospam
[02:42] <nixternal> heh
[02:42] <jsgotangco> where is the torrent?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:43] <Riddell> btlaunchmanycurses .
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hm?
[02:43] <Riddell> Jucato: any of the mirrors http://kubuntu.org/download2.php
[02:44] <Riddell> that should have been jsgotangco
[02:44] <nixternal> or releases.ubuntu.com
[02:44] <Riddell> if you like being slow
[02:44] <Riddell> jsgotangco: any of the mirrors http://kubuntu.org/download2.php
[02:44] <nixternal> well I have the 4 torrents opened in KTorrent now
[02:45] <nixternal> only 1 is going, now 2
[02:45] <jsgotangco> thanks
[02:45] <jsgotangco> hmmm i guess there's no jigdo for desktop because of squashfs?
[02:45] <Riddell> yes
[02:46] <jsgotangco> k im gonna seed amd64s
[02:46] <nixternal> wow, I have them all seeded :)
[02:46] <Riddell> maybe I should just rebel and announce it before ubuntu :)
[02:46] <nixternal> haha
[02:47] <nixternal> get slashdotted first
[02:47] <nixternal> jsgotangco: me either, but others do :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why not.  your website still exists :P
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds great to me
[02:47] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:47] <Riddell> we already had screenshots done for us by linuxquestions
[02:47] <Hobbsee> nice!
[02:49] <jsgotangco> sebas: its usually 1 annoucement for all 4
[02:49] <sebas> Yes, all called Ubuntu, KDE mentioned nowhere.
[02:49] <sebas> I'm not a huge fan of this umbrella branding.
[02:49] <jsgotangco> me too actually
[02:49] <nixternal> sebas: they kind of were, 3 days ago :)
[02:49] <sebas> Kubuntu could have a much stronger brand of its own.
[02:49] <Riddell> the problem is the lack of actual umbrella branding
[02:50] <nixternal> err, s/they/we/ ;)
[02:50] <sebas> Right, Riddell.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> bah.  just release kubuntu first.  it's about time we got some recognition
[02:50] <sebas> In fact it is none.
[02:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: +1
[02:50] <sebas> Let's discuss that again in Sevilla.
[02:50] <nixternal> what are they gonna do? fire you? I doubt it ;)
[02:50] <sebas> We talked about separating releases in Paris, and IMO it still makes sense.
[02:50] <nixternal> you will just get 50 lashings
[02:50] <Riddell> sebas: jono was talking about it too
[02:50] <sebas> We could also get closer to KDE's release cycles.
[02:51] <nixternal> that would be cool
[02:51] <sebas> Riddell: I discussed that with him over a beer in Mountainview, actually.
[02:51] <sebas> Today or tomorrow might be a good day to blog about this.
[02:51] <Riddell> separate releases I still don't like the idea of
[02:51] <sebas> Same reasons, still?
[02:51] <mhb> is it even technically possible?
[02:51] <mhb> I mean the core is the same
[02:52] <Hobbsee> particularly as it messes freezes, etc
[02:52] <sebas> mhb: Yes.
[02:52] <mhb> my point, Hobbsee
[02:52] <jsgotangco> its pretty much a different community even
[02:52] <nixternal> I guess it would be kind of a pain, because we would either be behind, or it would be difficult trying to dev a revision ahead of the other
[02:52] <jsgotangco> not so different, but its there
[02:52] <Riddell> delaying a week or so might be possible, entirely separate releases are less so
[02:52] <sebas> We could sync with KDE's release cycle (as soon as there is one) and release Kubuntu with the .1 and get more bugfixes.
[02:53] <sebas> We've got to be behind, that's *much* safer.
[02:53] <mhb> if KDE synced its' release cycle with GNOME ...
[02:53] <sebas> Also, you don't want to be too far off, imagine dev summits where the previous one is not released yet
[02:53] <sebas> mhb: Don't hold your breath :-)
[02:53] <jsgotangco> good point
[02:55] <mhb> sebas: that would solve our problem, and not only ours ... other distros ship both DEs, too
[02:55] <sebas> mhb: It's simply not going to happen.
[02:55] <mhb> sebas: because one group hates the other? :o)
[02:55] <sebas> Although I *do* think that KDE should release bi-annually.
[02:55] <sebas> Fixed cycles make enterprise adoption easier.
[02:55] <jsgotangco> we could wish its just that reason heh
[02:55] <nixternal> hahaha jsgotangco
[02:56] <sebas> mhb: No, because the release team really has other things to care about.
[02:56] <Riddell> sebas: I agree with that
[02:56] <Riddell> but it'll never happen
[02:56] <sebas> And frankly, I don't think that GNOME's releases are something KDE should work towards to.
[02:57] <sebas> The stuff that GNOME gets once in a half year is about the same amount KDE gets in a bugfix update lately. KDE's development is much more active and probably completely different.
[02:57] <jsgotangco> interesting..i don't get that much bug reports now hahaha people are dying in anticipation rather than file bugs
[02:57] <nixternal> wow, these torrents have degraded my network badly
[02:57] <sebas> Riddell: Well, last time we talked about that we postponed it to KDE4 time :)
[02:57] <nixternal> 5.09s lag according to irssi
[02:58] <sebas> Right now, this discussion doesn't make sense, we first need to see how stable KDE4 pans out.
[02:58] <sebas> If we can easily stabilise stuff within a month at any point in time, it would work IMO.
[02:58] <Riddell> sure
[02:58] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm starting to think that freenode isnt coping under the load, atm
[02:59] <kwwii> Riddell: so is one of those pics good enough for the release pic or not
[02:59] <kwwii> ?
[02:59] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I wouldn't doubt it, have they ever coped under any load though?
[02:59] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-release.php
[02:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: some, yes
[02:59] <mhb> Riddell: is there anything in pyqt/pykde the French fellow who contacted me recently can do for gutsy?
[02:59] <mhb> Riddell: have you found anything?
[02:59] <nixternal> it is definitely network degragration here though, my email is taking forever to download
[03:00] <nixternal> 34%, 58 messages, and stuck
[03:00] <nixternal> haha
[03:01] <nixternal> sebas: I think that is what I am waiting for. I responded to a rapidly growing post on the Ubuntu forums last night
[03:01] <nixternal> and it wouldn't let me "unsubscribe" from getting replies to it
[03:01] <sebas> Hehehe.
[03:01] <ScottK> nixternal: IRC latency here is 76ms, so I think you're right.
[03:02] <nixternal> 1.97s here for me
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh just go and release it...
[03:02] <Hobbsee> 25 sec here for me, i keep almost dropping out
[03:02] <nixternal> ScottK: have you even gone to sleep yet?
[03:02] <ScottK> +1 for Hobbsee
[03:02] <ScottK> Yes
[03:02] <ScottK> Slept for about 3 hours.  I have insomnia sometimes
[03:02] <nixternal> like me, just a quick nap ey :)
[03:02] <nixternal> haha same here
[03:02] <ScottK> Not on purpose.
[03:03] <giangy> 'afternoon guys
[03:03] <nixternal> interveniously on a pot of coffee now
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hiya giangy
[03:03] <nixternal> hiy giangy
[03:03] <ScottK> Reminds me I need to go get coffee.  brb
[03:03] <nixternal> hiya rather
[03:04] <kwwii> wow, my torrent download speed is reaching over 500KB/S
[03:05] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey ... any luck on the logo ?
[03:10] <nixternal> kwwii: that will only last a little bit :) at least it did here
[03:10] <nixternal> mine started out fast like that, now they are either stalled or 4k and lower
[03:12] <jsgotangco> me too
[03:12] <jsgotangco> im just grabbing at 20KB/s now
[03:13] <Riddell> nixternal: 14:12 <@mdz> Seveas: there is no dev team meeting today; if you could update the calendar I would appreciate it
[03:13] <nixternal> got it
[03:17] <\sh> everybody in feisty release mood? ,-)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:17] <Hobbsee> waiting...
[03:18] <nixternal> I am in a Venti Caramel Macchiatto mood
[03:19] <jsgotangco> eww starbucks
[03:19] <nixternal> mmm Starbucks
[03:19] <ScottK> had/has
[03:19] <nixternal> they have a low fat bacon and swiss breakfast sammich that is out of this world
[03:20] <ScottK> If there's anyone that has a moment and remembers the details on setting up with a new cloak, I'd appreciate a pointer in the right direction.  I've gone through the freenode FAQ and made sure I'm an identified user.  Seveas has added me to the cloaked users group.  What next?
[03:20] <jsgotangco> how much is a venti $3? $5 jeez
[03:20] <ScottK> nixternal probably gets it with an extra shot too.
[03:20] <ScottK> That costs more.
[03:20] <nixternal> 2 extra shots
[03:21] <nixternal> ScottK: Freenode has to add the cloak
[03:21] <ScottK> Ahh.
[03:21] <ScottK> So I need to ask an op or just wait?
[03:21] <nixternal> I just asked one of the guys who I think does cloaks
[03:22] <\sh> is seveas not doing the cloaks or the communication with freenode?
[03:22] <jsgotangco> yeah i thought its all automatic
[03:22] <nixternal> he does, but it is on freenode to add the cloak
[03:22] <Hobbsee> ScottK: will try to pull some strings, but staffers arent here
[03:22] <Hobbsee> as usual
[03:22] <nixternal> ya, the staffers are afk from what I can tell
[03:23] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks.  I'll drink more coffee and not worry about it.
[03:23] <\sh> I'm glad that I did remove my cloak
[03:23] <Hobbsee> oh?
[03:23] <nixternal> one sec ScottK I have one on the line
[03:23] <ScottK> Cool
[03:23] <\sh> Hobbsee: I had problems in some other channels when I came with ubuntu cloak ...
[03:24] <Hobbsee> \sh: ahhh.  i deauth for that sort of thing
[03:24] <laur> sebas, any new thoughts about the second monitor problem ?
[03:26] <\sh> btw..does anyone has problems with kde4 on feisty?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ScottK: done
[03:27] <sebas> \sh: Yes, some lib is too old
[03:27] <nixternal> all the cool people have ops in the release-party-page huh
[03:27] <sebas> laur: Dunno, which?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal: of course
[03:27] <ScottK> Thanks
[03:27] <\sh> sebas: ah...segfault right?
[03:27] <nixternal> amaranth is working it
[03:27] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:27] <sebas> \sh: No, just older than the minimum required.
[03:27] <sebas> I wouldn't think that a segfault in kde4 is a feisty problem :-)
[03:27] <\sh> sebas: hm..at my place it's segfaulting when I start it via kdm or .xinitrc
[03:28] <sebas> Didn't try that, I only used Xephyr and startkde
[03:28] <\sh> sadly I don't see what component is segfaulting :(
[03:28] <sebas> Tried startkde?
[03:28] <nixternal> ScottK: you are cloaked btw
[03:28] <laur> Bug #105125
[03:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 105125 in kde-guidance "After enableing second monitor guidance crashes on every startup and graphical display manager crashes immidiately when launched" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105125
[03:28] <\sh> sebas: yepp...
[03:29] <ScottK> nixternal: Thanks.
[03:29] <nixternal> yup
[03:29] <nixternal> no problemo
[03:29] <\sh> sebas: /etc/init.d/kdm stop ; startx and in .xinitrc /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde with the exports added
[03:29] <sebas> Hm, can't help, \sh. Sorry
[03:31] <sebas> laur: Is the xorg.conf bad?
[03:31] <ScottK> Now here's an interesting bug... Bug #99939
[03:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 99939 in ubuntu-bots "!x > y works even if y is not in any channel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99939
[03:32] <laur> sebas, explain 'bad' =)
[03:38] <\sh> sebas: no...on my laptop it fcks up because of xinerama
[03:39] <\sh> sebas: or just because I don't use the default xorg.conf
[03:39] <nixternal> haha, I want to start trolling so bad in the party channel :)
[03:39] <\sh> nixternal: please don't there are enough trolls around ;)
[03:39] <nixternal> \sh: but I am a much better troll
[03:40] <nixternal> I do the reverse trollology
[03:40] <nixternal> they don't know what to do
[03:41] <sebas> laur: Broken as in X does not start
[03:42] <nixternal> OK, I will stop telling people that digg has pointed you to the fake releases we made to relieve the stress for the real release :)
[03:42] <sebas> nixternal: Hehe
[03:42] <nixternal> they should just go ahead and post the announcement. hell everyone is already downloading it
[03:43] <laur> sebas, x starts, only with totally wrong settings
[03:43] <sebas> Where, ubuntu.com is broken all the day :-)
[03:43] <sebas> laur: So it's really displayconfig-restore that does things wrong?
[03:43] <Riddell> ta da http://kubuntu.org/
[03:44] <nixternal> Riddell: did you do that prematurely :)
[03:44] <sebas> Riddell: Congrats to the release.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!
[03:44] <Hobbsee> congrats on the release everyone
[03:44] <nixternal> CONGRATS TO EVERYONE!!!
[03:44] <Riddell> nixternal: maybe :)
[03:44] <nixternal> haha, awesome!!!
[03:45] <nixternal> happy release day manchicken__
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: -release-party has just picked it up, immediately
[03:45] <manchicken__> Thank you nixternal, happy release day to you too :)
[03:46] <manchicken> There's a -release-party?
[03:46] <nixternal> finally, k.o is finally loading :)
[03:46] <nixternal> #ubuntu-release-party
[03:46] <Hobbsee> yes.  has been all day
[03:46] <stivani> At the bottom of the page in kubuntu.org there is a wrong last modified date
[03:46] <stivani> probably someone could change it :)
[03:47] <laur> sebas, i don't know what does it wrong, for start the guidance fails to set the resolution
[03:48] <sebas> Yes, but *when*
[03:48] <manchicken> ubuntu.com still says the release is tomorrow.  heh
[03:48] <sebas> Let me explain: displayconfig changes the xorg.conf to enable dualhead, but also does some settings during X login (user setting, so to speak).
[03:48] <sebas> For the latter, xinit runs a tool called displayconfig-restore.
[03:49] <sebas> Without trace and not knowing where to look, it's impossible to debug from here.
[03:51] <laur> but still, it should be the displayconfig that writes the resolution of the monitor to xorg.conf ?
[03:51] <nixternal> lovely
[03:53] <nixternal> Riddell: the release is linked to 7.04-beta.php
[03:53] <danimo> heya!
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hi danimo!
[03:54] <danimo> congrats everyone involved!
[03:54] <nixternal> ahh manchicken is cooler than me, not fair! :)
[03:54] <manchicken> Says who?
[03:56] <nixternal> you are on the top of the totem poll in party central
[03:56] <nixternal> argh the lag
[04:01] <nixternal> 09:00:54 [@   Seveas]  apparntly even kubuntu.org was premature
[04:01] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:08] <Hobbsee> bah.  pulled.
[04:08] <nixternal> heh
[04:09] <ScottK> Well I just found 4 more dupes of Bug #97507.  That makes 22 now...
[04:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 97507 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() - ixf86misc" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97507
[04:10] <nixternal> manchicken: ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/7.04
[04:11] <nixternal> Rock on USSG has the ISO's already
[04:11] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:11] <nixternal> and at 2MBps
[04:13] <\sh> danimo: thx to you guys from kde :)
[04:14] <danimo> \sh: tnx
[04:15] <\sh> danimo: will you be at froscon?
[04:15] <danimo> \sh: next stop: make (k)networkmanager and guidance-power-manager not fuck up after resuming from suspend :}
[04:15] <danimo> \sh: sure as hell! I'm organizing it, dude :)
[04:15] <\sh> danimo: cool...:)
[04:15] <danimo> \sh: there'll be a KDE/Kubuntu Room again
[04:16] <\sh> danimo: will be there for a talk with mrfai (officially)
[04:16] <danimo> \sh: who?
[04:16] <\sh> danimo: thomas lange
[04:16] <danimo> \sh: ah
[04:16] <danimo> cool
[04:16] <\sh> danimo: we decided to do a talk together :)
[04:21] <danimo> \sh: cool
[04:21] <danimo> (again :)
[04:28] <Riddell> thanks danimo
[04:28] <Riddell> anyone want to do a dot story?
[04:28] <manchicken> Nobody anticipated all 15 million users hitting kubuntu.org at the same time, eh?  heh
[04:28] <danimo> Riddell: does kubuntu also have the migration assistent?
[04:29] <Riddell> no, not yet
[04:30] <danimo> Riddell: it's so sad that whatever the ubuntu community does, kubuntu is one step behind :(
[04:30] <nixternal> I can't keep up with what they are saying in the party channel
[04:31] <nixternal> the lines go by so fast, I feel like I am on Acid watching a Stones concert
[04:31] <ScottK> nixternal: Which channel?  I'm game for a look.
[04:31] <nixternal> #ubuntu-release-party
[04:31] <nixternal> Riddell: what are you looking for on te dot story?
[04:32] <nixternal> none of my stories make it, maybe this will be a first ;)
[04:32] <Riddell> nixternal: 1 paragraph, release is out, give it a KDE angle
[04:32] <_marseillais_> Riddell, could you come on #kubuntu-fr to op me to change the title? i'm not at home and can not op me....
[04:34] <Riddell> anyone have edgy installed?
[04:36] <ScottK> Riddell: I have to swap hard drives in my laptop, so give me a minute, but yet
[04:36] <ScottK> yet/yes
[04:36] <ScottK> What do you need?
[04:37] <Riddell> testing that adept really runs the upgrader and that it upgrades
[04:37] <ScottK> Sure.  Tell me which things to click and I"ll do it.
[04:37] <ScottK> I almost never use adept...
[04:37] <fritsch> Riddell: i made a test upgrade to feisty beta from edgy and it went fine ...
[04:37] <Riddell> follow kubuntu instructions for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[04:37] <ScottK> Will do
[04:38] <Riddell> fritsch: but now I need it tested for the final thing :)
[04:38] <fritsch> Riddell: oki :-) sorry, but cannot revert it that easy
[04:40] <kwwii> Riddell: I will test it as well
[04:41] <nixternal> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16403/  <- there is a base for a dot kde story
[04:42] <ScottK> Riddell: That's an Ubuntu link, not Kubuntu?
[04:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Nevermind
[04:43] <nixternal> Riddell: I gotta roll to school, so if you can't use that little write up, then you either have to wait, or you can rock it out, or someone else in here :)
[04:43] <nixternal> man I am late
[04:44] <nixternal> this hoopla has killed my morning :)
[04:46] <abattoir> hi everyone, congratulations on the release!
[04:48] <ScottK> Only 101 upgradeable packages... (this is to get Edgy up to date before the upgrade)
[04:49] <nixternal> I am ready to dist-upgrade
[04:49] <nixternal> I hate stability!
[04:49] <abattoir> ScottK: you see the 'Version Upgrade' button?
[04:50] <hunger> About 2 weeks before a new ubuntu release is about to hit the streets my boxes tend to stop working properly:-|
[04:50] <ScottK> abattoir: Still getting my 219 mb of Edgy updates.
[04:50] <abattoir> ScottK: oh ok, there are a couple of users over at #kubuntu saying they don't see it
[04:50] <danimo> hunger: I am already waiting for the time I get "upgrade to gutsy" when asking for updated libs
[04:51] <danimo> or apps
[04:51] <ScottK> The good news is the us repo is quick.
[04:51] <ScottK> BTW, I had the Edgy 3.5.6 packages installed, so you might want someone who didn't have this if there are any...
[04:52] <kwwii> I did not have it installed
[04:52] <kwwii> but the download is taking forever
[04:52] <ScottK> That's good then
[04:52] <hunger> danimo: Will happen soon enough:-)
[04:54] <hunger> danimo: Well, it will be slow going for the next couple of weeks till the devs get over their meeting thingy:-)
[04:59] <ScottK> No reason you all can't go triage or fix bugs in the meantime...
[05:03] <imbrandon> hahah nice
[05:03] <imbrandon> kubuntu is far more downloaded than the others
[05:03] <imbrandon> since i started seeding this morning
[05:03] <imbrandon> ubuntu-7.04-server-i386.iso (100.0%) seeding - 59 peers 84 seeds 7.999 dist copies - 0 B dn 1.7GiB up			492.4MiB     0 B/s346.4KiB/s
[05:03] <imbrandon> ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso (100.0%) seeding - 149 peers 113 seeds 15.999 dist copies - 0 B dn 1.9GiB up		697.9MiB     0 B/s243.1KiB/s
[05:03] <imbrandon> kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso (100.0%) seeding - 153 peers 77 seeds 11.999 dist copies - 0 B dn 2.5GiB up		694.1MiB     0 B/s673.1KiB/s
[05:03] <imbrandon> Riddell, ^^
[05:18] <freeflying_> Congrats all, feisty out  :)
[05:18] <Lathiat> imbrandon: heh
[05:18] <Lathiat> imbrandon: im pushing 3M/s of ubuntu-desktop-i386.iso atm
[05:18] <Lathiat> my link doesn tgo any faster :/
[05:18] <Lathiat> in fact azureus is having a hard time keeping it on 3M/s
[05:19] <Lathiat> keeps wining up to 3.2M/s
[05:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: fancy submitting an article to the dot?  e.g. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16403/
[05:21] <acidBURN> nothing as of yet for updates
[05:21] <Riddell> acidBURN: what are you trying?
[05:22] <acidBURN> sudo apt-get update
[05:22] <acidBURN> nothing
[05:22] <ScottK> Riddell: So far Adept hangs at the end of my attempt to have an up to date Edfy
[05:22] <ScottK> Edgy
[05:22] <ScottK> Wait
[05:22] <apachelogger> btw, will feisty be available via shipit or only next LTS release?
[05:22] <ScottK> NVM - Just VERY slow
[05:24] <acidBURN> so, when are the updates coming....for feisty beta
[05:25] <abattoir> apachelogger: from what i read, it should be available
[05:25] <abattoir> IS available, i should say. https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[05:25] <apachelogger> Oo
[05:25] <apachelogger> huh
[05:25] <apachelogger> arrsome :D
[05:26] <abattoir> sorry, https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ :)
[05:27] <bddebian> Heya
[05:27] <abattoir> hi bddebian :)
[05:27] <bddebian> Hello abattoir
[05:30] <freeflying_> I will have a presentation at May. 8 for Kubuntu/ubuntu on beijingLUG
[05:33] <ScottK> Riddell: My edgy is now up to date, but I'm not being offered the upgrade wizard until I stop adept and restart it.  Then I get it.
[05:33] <abattoir> ScottK: yeah, i think adept is upgraded too, so you need to run the newer version to see it
[05:33] <imbrandon> Riddell, sure, give me one sec
[05:34] <ScottK> That's probably worth a mention in the procedure.
[05:37] <Riddell> ScottK: it does say you need to quit and restart adept
[05:37] <ScottK> No it did not
[05:38] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Got it.
[05:38] <ScottK> So I'm following the process then
[05:39] <ScottK> Upgrader's running now
[05:39] <imbrandon> Riddell, submitted
[05:39] <imbrandon> :)
[05:39] <ScottK> Sorry - only had about 3 hrs sleep last night and am a bit fuzzy.
[05:43] <ScottK> Well at 120kb/s it's gonna be a while...
[05:50] <Riddell> nixternal: your kubuntu-docs update breaks english docs
[05:50] <Riddell> there's en_GB and some en_CA but no en
[05:51] <Riddell> danimo: fancy publishing that dot story?
[05:53] <ScottK> Riddell: It's going to be many hours until I know if this upgrade works or not...
[05:54] <Riddell> ScottK: if it's started fine then chances are it'll continue fine
[05:54] <manchicken> Do we have any trackers other than torrent.ubuntu.com?
[05:54] <ScottK> OK.  It's started
[05:55] <Riddell> manchicken: that would kindae defeat the purpose
[05:55] <manchicken> Riddell: Having redundant trackers?
[05:56] <danimo> Riddell: just do it
[05:56] <danimo> :)
[05:56] <manchicken> I keep getting timeouts from the tracker.
[05:56] <Riddell> yes, a torrent should only have 1 centre
[05:56] <Riddell> danimo: conflict of interest if I publish it
[05:57] <manchicken> Riddell: That makes sense, but it seems like the ubuntu tracker is just getting hammered so hard it can't keep up.
[05:59] <giangy> Ubuntu CD i386 http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3978
[05:59] <giangy> Kubuntu CD i386 http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3980&hit=1
[05:59] <giangy> Xubuntu CD i386 http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3984&hit=1
[05:59] <giangy> manchicken: ^
[06:00] <manchicken> Naw, just hitting the update button in ktorrent fixed the problem it seems.
[06:00] <ScottK> Bug #107727 ...
[06:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 107727 in update-manager "Upgrade Tool crashed upon Feisty Ugrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107727
[06:00] <manchicken> The kubuntu i386 iso isn't doing too well.
[06:00] <ScottK> The crash is in adept-manager
[06:01] <MidMark> hi, I had this problem during distro-upgrade: 2007-04-19 17:51:45,244 ERROR got an error from dpkg for pkg: '/var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.24-2ubuntu1_i386.deb': 'il sottoprocesso nuovo script di post-removal ha restituito un codice di errore 134
[06:01] <MidMark> what I have to do?
[06:01] <apokryphos> heh, keb 1.0.1 released already :o
[06:01] <Hobbsee> MidMark: give us an english translation, first off...
[06:02] <MidMark> subprocess of the new script post-removal returned error code 134
[06:02] <giangy> Hobbsee: "the subprocess of the new script post-removal returned error code 134"
[06:02] <Hobbsee> wooo
[06:02] <giangy> ops :-)
[06:02] <MidMark> seems bug #102011
[06:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 102011 in samba "Update to feisty beta fails with samba installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102011
[06:03] <MidMark> problem now dist-upgrade is stopped :(
[06:03] <ScottK> Thanks.  Confirmed the bug...
[06:03] <nixternal> Riddell: I will take a look when I get free time
[06:04] <MidMark> ScottK: thanx now can you say what can I do? :)
[06:04] <ScottK> I'd suggest doing what they suggest in the bug
[06:04] <Hobbsee> find out what the post-removal code 134 is, too
[06:05] <ScottK> uninstall samba first and then reinstall after the upgrade
[06:05] <MidMark> ScottK: ok but then I close dist-upgrade and then? open adept?
[06:06] <nixternal> heh, they have taken down all of the ubuntu servers
[06:06] <Riddell> ?
[06:07] <ScottK> MidMark: I'd stop the upgrade and then remove samba, yes.  No guarantees.
[06:07] <nixternal> I can't connect to them from school
[06:07] <nixternal> ubuntu.com and kubuntu.org are working now
[06:07] <nixternal> planet is dead
[06:08] <MidMark> ScottK: mmm weird
[06:08] <MidMark> try
[06:08] <MidMark> anyway dist-upgrade should continue to finish work and not stop at the first error :(
[06:09] <ScottK> Right.  You can't cancel out in the middle of it, can you..
[06:10] <MidMark> anyway not there isn't other solutions ......
[06:10] <imbrandon> danimo, publish me hehehehe
[06:12] <MidMark> yeah adept cannot uninstall nothing, another process is running over the database
[06:12] <MidMark> feisty!!!
[06:12] <MidMark> any suggestion?
[06:13] <Jucato> !adeptfix | MidMark
[06:13] <ubotu> MidMark: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:14] <MidMark> Jucato: yes but the rest of the installation?
[06:22] <kwwii> Riddell: apparently adept manager died while it was updating
[06:22] <Riddell> erk
[06:22] <kwwii> Riddell: erm, wait...it was simply stuck on something, now the download is continuing
[06:22] <Riddell> phew
[06:23] <nixternal> lol
[06:24] <ScottK>  Bug #107727 is the only adept related bug I've seen come in so far.
[06:24] <ubotu> Malone bug 107727 in update-manager "Upgrade Tool crashed upon Feisty Ugrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107727
[06:24] <nixternal> Riddell: would it be OK if I built the HTML outside of the updated docs package to 1) make it smaller and 2) make it build quicker? or should we just continue running a Makefile in the rules?
[06:25] <Riddell> nixternal: that would seem inelegant
[06:25] <Riddell> how would it make it smaller?
[06:26] <nixternal> well, it wouldn't really make it smaller, strike that one, but we wouldn't have to run the Makefile which is what takes forever (8 hours) during the build
[06:26] <Riddell> you'd still have to build the html from the docbook, which would take just as long
[06:26] <Riddell> if there's a faster way to do it, change the makefile to do that
[06:26] <nixternal> not locally
[06:27] <nixternal> I can build all of the HTML in less than 5 minutes just by running 'make all'
[06:27] <nixternal> pbuilder is what takes forever on the makefile
[06:28] <Riddell> what is it doing different?
[06:28] <nixternal> I have no clue
[06:28] <nixternal> it is doing nothing different
[06:28] <nixternal> debian/rules sends kdeb to the Makefile which is the same as 'make all'
[06:29] <nixternal> but for some reason pbuilder does it so slow
[06:29] <Riddell> is it the lack of internet connection?
[06:29] <nixternal> you know, it very well could be
[06:29] <nixternal> because of the --xinclude flag
[06:29] <nixternal> I think that is what I pinpointed the issue to
[06:30] <nixternal> I need to study that flag a little more and see just how necessary it is
[06:30] <nixternal> because 50% of our translation don't even have a $$cc.xml in the xml includes anyways
[06:30] <jdong> so.... shall k3b 1.0.1 be attempted as a "SRU"?
[06:31] <jdong> :)
[06:31] <nixternal> haha
[06:31] <nixternal> jdong: you are an SRU freak!
[06:31] <jdong> lol
[06:31] <jdong> why thank you :)
[06:31] <Riddell> SRU is for specific bug fixes only, not new releases
[06:31] <Jucato> btw, about K3b... it has a sort of misleading error message if libk3b2-mp3 isn't installed
[06:31] <jdong> there's an interesting list of bugfixes
[06:32] <nixternal> Jucato: don't try and use the mp3 stuff then ;)
[06:32] <nixternal> I mean they call the encoder lame for a reason
[06:32] <jdong> nixternal: spoken like a true GNU citizen :)
[06:32] <nixternal> haha
[06:32] <Jucato> nixternal: even with LAME installed
[06:32] <nixternal> hahah, I have people believing the Gutsy toolchain is good to and they can dist-upgrade from feisty
[06:32] <jdong> Jucato: does RMS pop up goatse style?
[06:32] <Jucato> er I just misinterpreted your message
[06:33] <nixternal> Chicago people are going to hate me
[06:33] <Jucato> nixternal: I meant, the error message/popup always shows up when you start K3b, and it talks about libmad when what we use for burning mp3's to audio cd is libk3b2-mp3
[06:34] <jdong_> ow! my ipw3945d!
[06:34] <nixternal> orly
[06:35] <nixternal> I haven't noticed the error at all, but then again I don't burn audio to cd anymore
[06:35] <Jucato> nixternal: you don't get a popup when you run k3b?
[06:36] <nixternal> nope
[06:36] <Jucato> MP3 Audio Decoder not found... when in fact it's looking for an encoder afaik...
[06:36] <nixternal> and I ran K3b all day so far
[06:36] <Jucato> weird... :(
[06:37] <nixternal> I was running it this morning on a fresh install of Feisty as a matter of fact and never noticed it
[06:37] <Jucato> ah ok.. must be me :)
[06:37] <nixternal> of course it is you ;p
[06:39] <nixternal> lol
[06:40] <nixternal> http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=modbook
[06:40] <nixternal> I gotta have that!
[06:40] <nixternal> imaging that running Kubuntu
[06:40] <Jucato> wth!?!?! I want that!!!
[06:41] <yuriy> heh.
[06:41] <nixternal> that thing is sleek
[06:41] <Jucato> hm.. do we have a wiki page with instructions on how to upgrade to feisty using the dist-upgrade tool?
[06:42] <nixternal> holy cow man
[06:42] <nixternal> Ubuntu mirror at the uni has the network so bogged down
[06:42] <nixternal> lol
[06:42] <yuriy> is that holy cow-man or holy cow, man?
[06:42] <nixternal> all of the above
[06:44] <jdong_> nixternal: well I'm seeding the torrent at 1MB/s or so :D
[06:46] <nixternal> we have 4 seeds going at 3MB/s right now and we can't do anything else in the lab
[06:46] <jdong_> nixternal: lol
[06:46] <nixternal> ooh, 6, someone decided to seed Ubuntu
[06:46] <Lathiat> the torrents getting bigger :/
[06:46] <nixternal> haha, I run  the shop, so I told them get the KUbuntu seeds going
[06:46] <Lathiat> when i started it was 400 seeds 2500 peers
[06:46] <Lathiat> nwo its 2000 seeds 4600 peers :/
[06:46] <jdong_> yeah
[06:46] <Lathiat> at least the seed/peer ratio is going up
[06:47] <nixternal> err, our seeds died out when using Piratebay as an extra announcer
[06:47] <nixternal> Piratebay pulled it
[06:47] <jdong_> wonder if it's obnoxious to be seeding at 1MB/s over student center wifi
[06:48] <nixternal> lol
[06:48] <nixternal> damn, you get that for campus wifi?
[06:48] <jdong_> yeah
[06:48] <nixternal> dude, we get 40k on a super good day
[06:48] <jdong_> lol
[06:48] <Lathiat> haha
[06:48] <jdong_> we also get all public IP's on wifi
[06:48] <jdong_> so....
[06:48] <jdong_> hmm....
[06:48] <jdong_> :)
[06:48] <nixternal> but we have 4 dedicated OC3 lines to our lab
[06:48] <Lathiat> its liek that in .au cept only traffic within our city is free
[06:48] <Lathiat> intl traffic is like
[06:48] <Lathiat> 3c/MB
[06:48] <nixternal> but I think the campus only uses a single OC48 sonet
[06:48] <Lathiat> but i used to seed local traffic at 1M/s over wifi
[06:48] <Lathiat> with a live ip
[06:49] <Lathiat> that was great :)
[06:50] <nixternal> oh lord, I have people thinking they know what the toolchain is and that it is out
[06:50] <nixternal> now that is scary
[06:50] <Lathiat> hahaha
[06:54] <apokryphos> Riddell lists his mobile number on the release page :O
[06:55] <Riddell> surprisingly few
[06:56] <Riddell> a couple of journalists, a few companies wanting to sell CDs or machines and wondering about trademarks, a magazine wanting to put it on their cover and three or four calls for help
[06:56] <Jucato> not everyone has the money to make international calls to the great Riddell-man :)
[06:58] <_Sime> congrats everyone on the Feisty release!
[06:59] <Jucato> oh yeah, late congrats! :)
[07:00] <nixternal> haha
[07:00] <Riddell> _Sime: :)
[07:00] <_Sime> Riddell: thanks for the article BTW
[07:01] <_Sime> feisty is a good solid release  IMHO
[07:01] <Riddell> lets make feisty LTS and go with KDE 4 for gusty
[07:04] <nixternal> ooh
[07:04] <nixternal> Gutsy!
[07:04] <nixternal> it isn't a flatulent gibbon ;p
[07:07] <_Sime> Gutz
[07:08] <nixternal> hehe
[07:10] <_Sime> bit of a bummer that Thunderbird 2.0 came out today.
[07:10] <nixternal> haha, Ubuntu did the button to install fglrx and what not, and it is freezing everyones boxes here
[07:12] <ScottK> Isn't that what it's for?
[08:20] <apokryphos> Riddell: just remembered that mandriva released (yesterday?), which had k3b 1.0 (for that dot story)
[08:22] <apokryphos> awesome about the calls though; happy magazines are putting kubuntu out there and not just ubuntu :P
[08:25] <apokryphos> mmm, food :). /me out for a bit
[08:25] <nixternal> actually K3b in Mandriva is 1.0.1svn
[08:26] <nixternal> interesting
[08:27] <nixternal> so they have one upped us
[08:27] <nixternal> grrr
[08:27] <nixternal> let's attack!
[08:29] <gnomefreak> nixternal: where is the upgrade to feisty page for kubuntu?
[08:29] <kwwii>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[08:30] <kwwii> the update on my machine is still running :p
[08:30] <kwwii> the servers appear to be a *bit* slow today for some strange reason
[08:30] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[08:30] <nixternal> it is there somewhere
[08:30] <nixternal> oh ya, linked to the wiki
[08:32] <gnomefreak> ty kwwii
[08:36] <TimArmstrong> Hey everyone
[08:36] <danimo> kwwii: using a mirror?
[08:39] <_StefanS_> wow.. there's some activity on the ubuntu.com repos :)
[08:39] <Riddell> apokryphos: it did?
[08:41] <apokryphos> Riddell: so says distrowatch, though nixternal says 1.0.1svn, which seems a little crazy (what are their release schedules like)
[08:41] <apokryphos> mmm, very nice kubuntu.org release image though 8)
[08:42] <apokryphos> Riddell: are you going to attend the party in London?
[08:42] <Riddell> apokryphos: not sure yet
[08:43] <apokryphos> it's pretty soon, but sabdfl's gonna be there it seems; might go 8)
[08:45] <nixternal> apokryphos: it is on the mandriva release notes page
[08:45] <nixternal> for spring 2007.1
[08:46] <rbrunhuber> Does the xorg ati driver support xrandr 1.2?
[08:46] <apokryphos> I guess they're not on the way out
[08:46] <apokryphos> nixternal: thanks
[08:46] <nixternal> rbrunhuber: yes it does, I was using it to flip my lcd the other night
[08:47] <rbrunhuber> nixternal: so why is xrandr on my up to date feisty box reporting xrandr 1.1?
[08:47] <lucas_> nixternal: Is there any package of xserver1.3 for feisty ?
[08:47] <nixternal> err, oh I don't know about the version
[08:47] <nixternal> I just know that xrandr on feisty with ati works :) sorry
[08:47] <lucas_> rbrunhuber: xrandr 1.2 comes with xserver 1.3
[08:48] <lucas_> and is schedeuled ofr may
[08:48] <nixternal> !info krandr
[08:48] <lucas_> for may
[08:48] <ubotu> Package krandr does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[08:48] <nixternal> I install the kde thing with xrandr and it pulls in everything for me
[08:48] <lucas_> ubotu: yes but it is installed anyway
[08:49] <Riddell> apokryphos: tomorrow surely
[08:49] <nixternal> I have 1.0.2 actually listed for feisty
[08:49] <lucas_> nixternal: me too and only xrandr 1.2 is ready for output hotplug
[08:50] <nixternal> ahh
[08:50] <nixternal> OK, class time
[08:50] <apokryphos> Riddell: the event? Yeah
[08:50] <lucas_> nixternal: good time then
[08:50] <apokryphos> or do you mean you're certainly going to tomorrow's?
[08:52] <rbrunhuber> the servers are really really busy. apt-get update takes ages ... Seems feisty is a real succes ...
[08:52] <Riddell> apokryphos: not certain at all, depends on mood of girlfriend
[08:53] <apokryphos> heh, I know exactly what you mean 8)
[08:53] <gnomefreak> expensive dinner by candle light and you should have few problems ;)
[08:54] <rbrunhuber> Or not in mood -> no longer girlfriend. :-)
[08:56] <rbrunhuber> nixternal: Do you have a development version of x then?
[08:57] <_StefanS_> heh archive.ubuntu.com is so busy I can't even download the kubuntu release announcement :)
[08:59] <Riddell> try launchpad
[08:59] <ScottK> Good point
[08:59] <ScottK> Will do
[08:59] <_StefanS_> maybe someone should have rented some extra bandwidth ..
[08:59] <rbrunhuber> is there no single x11proto package without -dev?
[09:02] <marseillai> Riddell: and you guys have done a good job for this release. I'll try to contribute more for next release and really appreciate your work.
[09:15] <Riddell> marseillai: formidable
[09:16] <marseillai> Riddell: i've already package smplayer
[09:16] <marseillai> and we'll try to work for REVU
[09:17] <marseillai> Riddell: can i just troll a little and say that i would be more happy if cannonical take more attention on Kubuntu ....
[09:18] <Riddell> marseillai: like your government do you mean? :)
[09:18] <marseillai> lol
[09:18] <marseillai> more than that
[09:18] <marseillai> our governement just "give" a job to tonio
[09:19] <Riddell> well they have to do something about these unemployed people sponging off the state :)
[09:19] <marseillai> several else people could work for cannonical and make kubuntu greatest
[09:20] <marseillai> Riddell: i'm just saying that Kubuntu is doing as well as ubuntu does with less people payed by cannonical! of course it's because kubuntu guys are better! ;)
[09:21] <Riddell> we like to think so :)
[09:21] <kwwii> Riddell: not sure why (time out or so I guess) but the updater complained about not being able to download a file
[09:22] <marseillai> so! going to package manslide and learn CDBS
[09:22] <marseillai> :)
[09:22] <Riddell> kwwii: what did it do?
[09:23] <kwwii> Riddell: it said it could download a file in a pop-up and said I should start the update again, then it quit
[09:23] <kwwii> Riddell: and now when I tried again it says it cannot download the release announcement
[09:23] <kwwii> but that pop-up allows me to retry (doing so now)
[09:24] <kwwii> archive.ubuntu.com seems to take to long to reply
[09:24] <kwwii> the third time I tried it, it found the release announcement
[09:25] <kwwii> this sounds like more of a server problem than the updater itself
[09:26] <kwwii> the file that it failed on the first time was #34 of 37
[09:27] <kwwii> this time it is actually doing the upgrade though...I'll let you know if it worked when it is done
[09:27] <Riddell> yes, it's a server issue, but it would be good if it could recover better
[09:28] <kwwii> Riddell: the release notes part had a retry button but the other one did not
[09:30] <kwwii> lol, it says it will take another 4 hours and 55 minutes
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you know if thunderbird 2.0 be available as an update in the future ?
[09:32] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I expect it'll be in backports at some point
[09:32] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[09:46] <ScottK> kwwii: It's time estimate is pretty optimistic based on my experience.
[09:48] <kwwii> ScottK: yeah, it jumps around a lot depending on the current speed as well
[09:48] <kwwii> if I was a newbie I probably would have given up a long time ago
[09:49] <ScottK> I'me about 6 hours in and it says 3 to go yet.
[09:58] <toma> congrats on the release guys. well done!
[09:59] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey, its okay if you dont have time to do that graphic :)
[10:00] <_StefanS_> I just hate being ignored :)
[10:00] <kwwii> _StefanS_: sorry about that, I was busier than expected these last weeks
[10:00] <_StefanS_> kwwii: yep I understand, just say so - thats okay :)
[10:01] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I might still have time to do it on the weekend
[10:01] <kwwii> I'll definitely let you know
[10:01] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I would be really glad if you could.
[10:14] <soulrider> hello! grats to everyone for the release!!
[10:34] <marseillai> fdoving: i have an apps wich depends or xine OR mplayer i want it to depends on xine i have to add libxine1 in Depends ?
[10:38] <marseillai> find
[10:54] <ryanakca> hmm... we can only ask for 3 kubuntu CDs from shipit, but 10 for ubuntu?
[11:00] <marseillai> is there someone who can help me for my first CDBS package ?
[11:02] <marseillai> fdoving: :$
[12:00] <manchicken__> Do I have to do anything fancy now that feisty has been released?
[12:00] <manchicken__> I'm thinking not.
[12:00] <ajmitch> dance around in circles?
[12:00] <manchicken__> ajmitch: Drink to my heart's content is more along the lines of what I had in mind.
[12:00] <ajmitch> there is that option
[12:05] <Riddell> bug triage!
[12:13] <Riddell> nixternal: I see a lack of feisty story on fridge, might be a gap in the market for a "Kubuntu Feisty Released" story