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| elmo | popey: it's being worked on | 01:35 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #107615 in launchpad "Comments duplicated from one person when multiple people comment on a bug near the same time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107615 | 05:35 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #107635 in launchpad "Assignee receives an email saying 'subscribed', should say assigned" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107635 | 09:00 |
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| cprov | morning ! | 01:30 |
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| sinzui | nick sinzui | 02:18 |
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| popey | eeek | 02:36 |
| popey | can I get a support ticket edited, someone has added a username/password to it | 02:38 |
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| kiko | popey, you can't easily. stu1 or mthaddon may help | 02:57 |
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| popey | (gently) | 02:58 |
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| popey | fantastic | 03:04 |
| popey | thank you | 03:04 |
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| Theuni | hmm. shoot. | 03:09 |
| Theuni | i forgot which admin can help me with a milestone that is in the wrong release series. | 03:10 |
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| kiko | Theuni, maybe I can! | 03:18 |
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| kiko | flacoste! | 03:20 |
| flacoste | hey kiko! | 03:20 |
| kiko | hey old boy | 03:20 |
| kiko | how's it going | 03:20 |
| flacoste | not bad, i hope to finish the first draft of the AnswerSpec today! | 03:21 |
| LarstiQ | both! | 03:22 |
| kiko | AnswerSpec? | 03:22 |
| kiko | tell me all about it | 03:22 |
| flacoste | it's basically a fleshing out of SupportFAQSpec | 03:23 |
| flacoste | but with the renaming of the application, I thought that Answer was a better name | 03:24 |
| kiko | ah! Answer. of course. | 03:24 |
| flacoste | it's a first spec which just the basic functionality, with a bunch of possible future developments in the "Unresolved section" :-) | 03:24 |
| kiko | heh | 03:24 |
| kiko | very cool | 03:24 |
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| SteveA | Welcome to this week's launchpad development meeting | 04:00 |
| SteveA | For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating and reporting on Launchpad development | 04:00 |
| kiko | good morning everybody | 04:00 |
| SteveA | who is here today? | 04:00 |
| kiko | me | 04:00 |
| thumper | here, for a change | 04:00 |
| mpt | me | 04:00 |
| sinzui | me | 04:00 |
| mthaddon | me | 04:00 |
| cprov | me | 04:00 |
| Rinchen | me | 04:00 |
| bac | me | 04:00 |
| matsubara | me | 04:00 |
| salgado | me | 04:00 |
| statik | me | 04:00 |
| allenap | me | 04:00 |
| flacoste | me | 04:00 |
| ddaa | me | 04:00 |
| carlos | me | 04:00 |
| BjornT | me | 04:00 |
| bigjools | me | 04:00 |
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| jamesh | me | 04:01 |
| jtv | me | 04:01 |
| mrevell | me | 04:01 |
| danilos | me | 04:01 |
| barry | me | 04:02 |
| SteveA | == Apologies == | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * carlos: "I will be on public holiday" | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * ddaa: "will be on a sprint with thumper" | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * jamesh (in Sydney) | 04:02 |
| SteveA | 04:02 | |
| SteveA | is that right? | 04:02 |
| kiko | hi jamesh | 04:02 |
| stub | me | 04:02 |
| jamesh | that's an old apology for me | 04:02 |
| carlos | SteveA: I switched it with Monday | 04:02 |
| ddaa | Actually, I made it :) | 04:02 |
| carlos | so I'm working today | 04:02 |
| SteveA | ok | 04:02 |
| SteveA | == Agenda == | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * Roll call | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * Agenda | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * Next meeting | 04:02 |
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| SteveA | * Activity reports | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * Actions from last meeting | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * Oops report (Matsubara) | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * Bug report (Joey - [wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] ) | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * Bug tags | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * Production and staging (Stuart) | 04:02 |
| SteveA | * Launchpad 1.0 status reports | 04:03 |
| SteveA | * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] ) | 04:03 |
| SteveA | ---- | 04:03 |
| SteveA | * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) | 04:03 |
| SteveA | * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell) | 04:03 |
| SteveA | * Ubuntu Open Week - Launchpad session hosts - please contact mrevell to arrange a call to discuss your session (mrevell) | 04:03 |
| SteveA | * (other items) | 04:03 |
| SteveA | ---- | 04:03 |
| SteveA | * Three sentences | 04:03 |
| SteveA | 04:03 | |
| SteveA | next meeting: | 04:04 |
| SteveA | same time next week | 04:04 |
| SteveA | will anyone be absent? | 04:04 |
| SteveA | ok | 04:04 |
| SteveA | == Actions from last meeting == | 04:04 |
| SteveA | * mpt to correct the Activity reports section in DevelopmentMeeting20070405 | 04:04 |
| SteveA | mpt: did you do that? | 04:04 |
| mpt | yes | 04:04 |
| SteveA | thank you | 04:04 |
| SteveA | * Activity reports | 04:04 |
| SteveA | I'm not up to date | 04:04 |
| stub | up to date | 04:04 |
| mthaddon | up to date | 04:04 |
| carlos | up to date | 04:05 |
| bigjools | up to date | 04:05 |
| matsubara | not up to date | 04:05 |
| jamesh | I'm not up to date | 04:05 |
| salgado | not up to date | 04:05 |
| sinzui | up to date | 04:05 |
| cprov | up to date | 04:05 |
| BjornT | up to date | 04:05 |
| flacoste | up to date | 04:05 |
| bac | up to date | 04:05 |
| thumper | not up to date | 04:05 |
| mrevell | not up to date - will rectify after meeting | 04:05 |
| allenap | up to date | 04:05 |
| barry | up to date | 04:05 |
| jtv | up to date | 04:05 |
| ddaa | not up to date since the sprint started | 04:05 |
| kiko | not either, gar | 04:05 |
| danilos | kept up to date (still missing two weeks from march) | 04:05 |
| statik | up to date | 04:05 |
| SteveA | thumper: you're sprinting with ddaa | 04:05 |
| thumper | yes | 04:05 |
| SteveA | == People who were lax with activity reporting last week == | 04:05 |
| SteveA | * cprov | 04:05 |
| SteveA | * danilos | 04:05 |
| SteveA | * jamesh | 04:05 |
| SteveA | * jml | 04:05 |
| mpt | up to date | 04:05 |
| SteveA | * kiko | 04:05 |
| SteveA | * salgado | 04:05 |
| SteveA | 04:05 | |
| SteveA | is that list correct? | 04:05 |
| danilos | SteveA: yeah, except that I missed those two weeks in March, but have been sending them regularly last couple of weeks | 04:06 |
| cprov | yes | 04:06 |
| SteveA | * Oops report (Matsubara) | 04:06 |
| matsubara | Today's oops report is about bugs 107575, 107580, 105303 | 04:06 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 107575 in malone "Launchpad should handle invalid blob encoding better" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107575 | 04:06 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 107580 in launchpad-answers "Redirection code is broken for /support" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107580 | 04:06 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 105303 in rosetta "Visiting 'Change translator' form fails with NoCanonicalUrl" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105303 | 04:06 |
| matsubara | BjornT: can you check bug 107575? | 04:07 |
| ddaa | What about the oopses from the branch scanner caused by the encoding bug in the email generation code? | 04:07 |
| kiko | gar | 04:07 |
| flacoste | matsubara: i can take 107580 | 04:07 |
| BjornT | matsubara: yeah, i'll check it out. | 04:07 |
| matsubara | BjornT: it seems like the blob has invalid encoding or data, but I couldn't find the blob to attach to the bug. | 04:07 |
| danilos | 105303 is a duplicate of another I reported yesterday | 04:07 |
| matsubara | thanks flacoste and BjornT | 04:08 |
| matsubara | danilos: which I already duped :-) can you take it? or maybe assign it to jtv | 04:08 |
| carlos | danilos: I'm searching it but I don't see it... | 04:08 |
| carlos | matsubara: oh, thanks | 04:08 |
| kiko | BjornT, I think it should be easy to reproduce and you can ping the end-user for his apport ID maybe? | 04:08 |
| danilos | matsubara: is it maybe OOPSing too much since I tried to get to that page like a dozen times last couple of days? :) | 04:09 |
| matsubara | ddaa: I thought you're on it? | 04:09 |
| ddaa | I identified the problem, but then had a sprint... | 04:09 |
| BjornT | matsubara, kiko: yeah, it should be easy to reproduce. the hardest part will be how to deal with it properly, since it's not easy to tell apport that there was an error. | 04:10 |
| ddaa | was slack, did not file a bug, just told thumper face to face about it | 04:10 |
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| danilos | jtv: have you recently worked on something similar? want to look at 105303 (carlos suggests it's just a missing structural data, but I haven't looked into it) | 04:10 |
| jtv | danilos: I've worked in that general area, yes | 04:10 |
| jtv | danilos: when I first saw this one I even thought it might've been me, so I checked that. | 04:10 |
| jtv | it wasn't. | 04:10 |
| carlos | I can take it | 04:10 |
| danilos | carlos: don't you have something else to do? :) | 04:11 |
| matsubara | ddaa: I'll file a bug. can you guys take care of it while sprinting? | 04:11 |
| carlos | I fixed already some of the structural object problems | 04:11 |
| jtv | danilos: we all have something else to do! | 04:11 |
| carlos | and plan to fix others | 04:11 |
| ddaa | matsubara: thumper tells me jamesh filed a bug already | 04:11 |
| thumper | matsubara: yes, we'll fix it tomorrow morning | 04:11 |
| carlos | danilos: mostly done... | 04:11 |
| danilos | jtv: well, sure, so carlos can be my guest :) | 04:11 |
| jtv | yay for carlos | 04:11 |
| jamesh | someone else filed the bug. I just linked it up to the OOPS's | 04:12 |
| matsubara | great. I'm done SteveA | 04:12 |
| SteveA | thanks matsubara | 04:12 |
| matsubara | thanks everyone. | 04:12 |
| SteveA | * Bug report | 04:12 |
| Rinchen | More yay for carlos: Congrats to carlos for fixing Bug #102382 & Bug #102449 | 04:12 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 102382 in rosetta "Translations are getting marked as "needing review" on each upload, preventing complete translation of Ubuntu for the release" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102382 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) | 04:12 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 102449 in rosetta "upstream translations doesn't update rosetta ones when it should" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102449 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) | 04:12 |
| Rinchen | Congrats to sinzui for fixing Bug #102357 | 04:13 |
| Rinchen | == bug list == | 04:13 |
| Rinchen | Bug #30602 - kiko - 2006-02-06 - Rosetta, Critical, in progress - Lots of OOPSes. kiko, any chance to work on this, this week? | 04:13 |
| kiko | welllllll | 04:13 |
| carlos | Rinchen: thanks | 04:13 |
| kiko | I have a lot of backlog | 04:13 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 102357 in launchpad-answers "TypeError when requesting +tickets on an empty project" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102357 - Assigned to Curtis Hovey (sinzui-is) | 04:13 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko) | 04:13 |
| kiko | but who else is going to do this work? | 04:13 |
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| carlos | kiko: we will be happy to take that task from you if you don't have time | 04:13 |
| Rinchen | kiko, can it be assigned to someone else or does it need your loving touch? | 04:13 |
| Rinchen | Bug #46982 - danilo - 2006-05-27 - Rosetta, Critical, not started - Infrastructure issues - Blocked on Firefox import. Carlos had to delay working on this to accomplish the 1.0 roll-out. carlos/danilo/jtv - will this be set aside to work on readying gutsy translations? | 04:13 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to (danilo) | 04:13 |
| kiko | carlos, Rinchen: I can't really see anyone else doing this work the way it needs to be done | 04:14 |
| Rinchen | Bug #52707, 2006-07-11, cprov, Soyuz, Critical, in progress - celso, how goes the battle? | 04:14 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 52707 in soyuz "please propagate -security uploads to -updates" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52707 - Assigned to JulianEdwards (julian-edwards) | 04:14 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 2006 in launchpad "Deactivated memberships should be hidden" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2006 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado) | 04:14 |
| carlos | Rinchen: we are near to unblock that bug | 04:14 |
| kiko | grumble | 04:14 |
| glatzor | hi carlos. ist it possible to reset translations to follow the upstream path? | 04:14 |
| jtv | carlos: should I look at 30602? | 04:14 |
| danilos | Rinchen: carlos is almost ready with his FF work, and I can already start on that based on his branch if he thinks it's fine | 04:14 |
| kiko | Rinchen, I just finished reviewing that patch | 04:14 |
| Rinchen | kiko, ok, you're on the hook | 04:14 |
| Rinchen | carlos, time estimate? rough is ok | 04:14 |
| kiko | carlos, if you wanna work on timeouts, get the second-phase rosetta db work in? | 04:14 |
| Rinchen | great | 04:14 |
| kiko | Rinchen, careful with time estimates from carlos! | 04:14 |
| carlos | Rinchen: Jeroen and I have a plan that will allow firefox branch to be reviewed later today or Monday (I'm on vacations tomorrow) | 04:14 |
| kiko | good job carlos jtv! :) | 04:15 |
| jtv | Rinchen: basically, we sacrifice a goat and then... | 04:15 |
| bigjools | rinchen: 52707 is very close to landing | 04:15 |
| Rinchen | Bug #90384 (Private) - jamesh - 2007-03-07 - Critical, not started - jamesh - when can you fit this in? | 04:15 |
| ubotu | Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private | 04:15 |
| Rinchen | bigjools, great, thanks | 04:15 |
| kiko | bigjools, good job on a very clean patch | 04:15 |
| Rinchen | carlos, great, thanks. Looking forward to seeing that closed | 04:15 |
| bigjools | thanks kiko, some small issues remaining still I see :) | 04:15 |
| carlos | glatzor: yes, but let's talk after the meeting, please | 04:15 |
| jamesh | garr. I didn't update the status on that bug last week (the page was taking ages to load) | 04:15 |
| Rinchen | jtv, no comment | 04:15 |
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| cprov | bigjools: great job ! | 04:15 |
| bigjools | thanks cprov | 04:15 |
| glatzor | carlos: oh, sorry. I wasn't aware of this | 04:15 |
| Rinchen | Bug #91089, first reported on 2007-03-10, danilo, Rosetta, Critical, started - danilo, thanks for picking this up. Any blockers? | 04:15 |
| carlos | kiko: well, we could finish with your current approach and then do second DB optimisation thing | 04:15 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 91089 in rosetta "Email address can be viewed by users who are not logged in" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91089 - Assigned to (danilo) | 04:15 |
| kiko | bigjools, I have not lost sight of the big picture (and it is pretty) | 04:16 |
| danilos | Rinchen: no, it's supposed to land soon (reviewed already) | 04:16 |
| kiko | carlos, no, they are orthogonal. | 04:16 |
| Rinchen | danilos, great thanks | 04:16 |
| Rinchen | Bug #92484 - jml - 2007-03-15 - BZR Integration, Critical, in review and progressing well. cscvs and Launchpad now work (i.e. tests pass) with bzr 0.15. The changes break compatibility with the old bzr, so some PQM hackery will need to be done. mthaddon and lifeless are aware, so we should expect to see the upgrade soon. ddaa/jml - updates? | 04:16 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 92484 in launchpad-bazaar "Support for Branch Format 6" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92484 - Assigned to Jonathan Lange (jml) | 04:16 |
| kiko | carlos, you don't need to wait or order them | 04:16 |
| Rinchen | Bug #105855, first reported on 2007-04-12, Rosetta, Critical, not started, not assigned - carlos, are you taking this one? | 04:16 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 105855 in rosetta "Finish gettext-po bindings and use that parser for imports" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105855 | 04:16 |
| carlos | kiko: ok, let's talk about it also after the meeting, ok? | 04:16 |
| Rinchen | Bug #107068, first reported on 2007-04-16, cprov, Critical, in progress. cprov - any progress since the 16th? | 04:16 |
| ubotu | Bug 107068 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/107068 is private | 04:16 |
| ddaa | Rinchen: last i heard about it, it was in the hands of Tom who was trying to land the code. | 04:16 |
| carlos | Rinchen: that's not critical anymore (since this morning) | 04:17 |
| Rinchen | ddaa, thanks. mthaddon? | 04:17 |
| LarstiQ | ddaa: Lord? | 04:17 |
| carlos | Rinchen: it's affected by our Gutsy work | 04:17 |
| ddaa | LarstiQ: no, we've got another Tom here | 04:17 |
| Rinchen | carlos, ok, great. | 04:17 |
| ddaa | and that one is actually helpful | 04:17 |
| carlos | so we will schedule it, but it will not be a blocker | 04:17 |
| kiko | carlos, sure. | 04:17 |
| Rinchen | jamesh, when you can, please update the report. | 04:17 |
| cprov | Rinchen: I'm investigating the real cause of the problem, yet | 04:17 |
| Rinchen | cprov, thanks. | 04:18 |
| mthaddon | Rinchen: if that's related to this morning's cherry pick then it was completed | 04:18 |
| Rinchen | any final comments before we end bugs? | 04:18 |
| === ..[topic/#launchpad:mpt] : Launchpad 1.0 public beta, https://launchpad.net/ | Next developer meeting: Thu 25 Apr 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
| Rinchen | mthaddon, different | 04:18 |
| kiko | Rinchen, matsubara has been giving me some daily updates | 04:18 |
| mthaddon | ok, thx | 04:18 |
| Rinchen | mthaddon, I'll chat with you and ddaa post meeting | 04:18 |
| mthaddon | sounds good | 04:18 |
| Rinchen | SteveA, back to you. | 04:18 |
| kiko | we had 5 new bugs filed on wednesday | 04:18 |
| kiko | 4 dupes, one reject | 04:18 |
| SteveA | thanks Rinchen | 04:18 |
| kiko | we had 15 new bugs filed yesterday | 04:19 |
| SteveA | * Bug tags | 04:19 |
| kiko | I'm curious for today | 04:19 |
| SteveA | there are no new bug tags | 04:19 |
| === ..[topic/#launchpad:mpt] : Launchpad 1.0 public beta, https://launchpad.net/ | Next developer meeting: Thu 26 Apr 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
| SteveA | * Production and staging (Stuart) | 04:19 |
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| kiko | we have 410 unconfirmed right now. | 04:19 |
| stub | Production systems where updated on Monday. Went fine except for soyuz regressions so the code on drescher was rolled back to the previous production release. | 04:19 |
| stub | beta is now running Mark's branch and ready for testing on a three hourly code update cycle. Do we need to do gardening of the launhpad-beta-testers team? | 04:19 |
| stub | staging is now entirely Tom's baby. Good riddence :) | 04:19 |
| stub | We are now in database freeze, as per email to the mailing list. | 04:19 |
| stub | edge is happily running launchpad/devel HEAD, updated daily. | 04:19 |
| mthaddon | thanks stub :) | 04:19 |
| mrevell | stub: What sort of gardening do you have in mind? | 04:19 |
| SteveA | stub: are we directing beta testers to beta? | 04:19 |
| danilos | when can we expect carbon back (if ever)? | 04:20 |
| SteveA | danilos: next week | 04:20 |
| danilos | SteveA: ok, thanks | 04:20 |
| stub | SteveA: No anouncements, and no automatic redirect yet. Code only just went live. | 04:20 |
| stub | mrevell: I don't know if we need to prune the team and get people to reagree to anything. | 04:20 |
| SteveA | stub: we also should change teh "banner" on beta | 04:20 |
| stub | danilos: A week or two | 04:20 |
| SteveA | to say what's being tested with a link to a page about it | 04:21 |
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| SteveA | stub: I'll talk with mark about that | 04:21 |
| mrevell | stub: The only agreement we have is that they won't post screen shots of the beta interface. So, it's probably one for sabdfl to decide. | 04:21 |
| SteveA | mrevell: no need to prune the team or get people to agree to anything | 04:21 |
| stub | yup. I'm just mentioning it since I just thought of it :) | 04:21 |
| SteveA | mrevell: mark will be mailing people about it | 04:21 |
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| mrevell | SteveA: okay, cool | 04:21 |
| SteveA | all done | 04:22 |
| SteveA | ? | 04:22 |
| SteveA | * Sysadmin requests | 04:22 |
| Rinchen | There are no special requests at this time. I am tracking all of the normal priority items. | 04:22 |
| mrevell | I have number #26785 which is a request for planet.bazaar-vcs.org | 04:23 |
| SteveA | there are some that are kind of internal to the sysadmin team, but that affect launchpad development and deployment | 04:23 |
| mrevell | the Bazaar community would like to see this happen. I have chased the RT request. | 04:23 |
| Rinchen | mrevell, I have it and am tracking. Do you need that elevated? | 04:23 |
| SteveA | - mthaddon needs access to the machine vanadium | 04:23 |
| SteveA | - we have a new app server box awaiting deployment | 04:23 |
| mrevell | Rinchen: Not just yet as I only just rechased yesterday. thanks. | 04:23 |
| mthaddon | I've created an RT ticket about Vanadium access | 04:23 |
| SteveA | mthaddon: please tell Rinchen the RT number | 04:23 |
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| mthaddon | Rinchen: 27662 | 04:24 |
| SteveA | mthaddon: please add an RT ticket to track bringing the new app server box up | 04:24 |
| mthaddon | will do | 04:24 |
| Rinchen | mthaddon, thanks. It's still in the incoming queue. I'll add it to my list. | 04:24 |
| SteveA | thanks mthaddon | 04:24 |
| SteveA | * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) | 04:25 |
| mrevell | We have two similar annoyances this week, both to do with the Answers system. | 04:25 |
| kiko | answers and annoyances! | 04:25 |
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| popey | heh | 04:27 |
| mrevell | First: A member of the Ubuntu community has recently been offering answers that some Ubuntu support contacts consider to be unhelpful. | 04:27 |
| mrevell | Alan Pope, he of elevated karma, has raised the issue of whether the Answer Tracker may become less useful as more people discover it. In Ubuntu's case, there is a dedicated team of support contacts who answer requests for help. There are also some people, with less experience, who mostly have good intentions but risk reducing the quality of answers. There's also a small minority who attempt to answer many support request, in order to bo | 04:27 |
| kiko | so | 04:28 |
| flacoste | interesting | 04:28 |
| ddaa | you got cut off | 04:28 |
| flacoste | mrevell: where were these issues raised? | 04:28 |
| SteveA | this reminds me of a discussion that statik and I had about a feature the silva people would like to use | 04:28 |
| popey | in prv earlier | 04:28 |
| ddaa | ... support request, in order to bo | 04:28 |
| ddaa | you got cut there | 04:28 |
| flacoste | boost karma? | 04:28 |
| SteveA | where a team is particularly designated as the primary support providers for a particular project | 04:28 |
| SteveA | and that team's answers would be specially flagged | 04:29 |
| kiko | SteveA, flacoste: I have an idea and a plan for this | 04:29 |
| kiko | it is also related to a malone bug reported | 04:29 |
| jamesh | so is the issue how a user can tell whether the answers they are getting are from official people or random third parties | 04:29 |
| kiko | jamesh is on the right track | 04:29 |
| kiko | we need a way to identify important people | 04:29 |
| SteveA | mrevell: ... many support requests, in order to bo [transmission ends] | 04:29 |
| flacoste | kiko: can you mail the list about your idea? | 04:29 |
| popey | s/important/trustworthy ? | 04:30 |
| jamesh | IIRC, some of the Ubuntu developers have asked about similar stuff in the bug tracker | 04:30 |
| SteveA | mrevell: post in several shorter lines, not one long line | 04:30 |
| kiko | flacoste, let's chat about it. maybe flacoste, BjornT and me? | 04:30 |
| jamesh | don't have the bug number handy though | 04:30 |
| flacoste | kiko: ok | 04:30 |
| kiko | jamesh, that's what I was talking about | 04:30 |
| SteveA | kiko, flacoste: please also involve statik | 04:30 |
| popey | problem is you are in danger of creating a two-tier system | 04:30 |
| popey | which already exists on irc - ops and non-ops | 04:30 |
| popey | but doesnt really exist in launchpad as such - specifically for answers. | 04:30 |
| SteveA | ops have superpowers | 04:31 |
| SteveA | so it's a bit of different situation | 04:31 |
| popey | sure | 04:31 |
| jtv | popey: doesn't have to be two _tiers_. Think of 'em as merit badges. | 04:31 |
| mthaddon | without it, there's a lot of overlap between answers and ubuntuforums... | 04:31 |
| SteveA | mrevell: still there? | 04:31 |
| popey | i was merely suggesting that people might let the power go to their head | 04:31 |
| jamesh | popey: there is no reason that the "Ubuntu answer guys" team would be the same as the Ubuntu developers team | 04:31 |
| danilos | so, we just need to allow grading answers? (hey, j/k :) | 04:31 |
| popey | "power" | 04:31 |
| popey | danilos: there is a problem there, people *ask* for grading | 04:31 |
| popey | i have seen it in other support systems | 04:32 |
| popey | people tack on the end of their messages "if this was useful give me stars!" or somethingf | 04:32 |
| popey | gets tiresome to see | 04:32 |
| flacoste | popey: we already have the 'This answer solved my problem', now they want a numberic raing!?! | 04:32 |
| ddaa | not looking forward to seeing even more karma whoring | 04:32 |
| stub | <offtopic>lp is currently sitting on about 33 hits/sec, which is roughly 10 hits/sec more than the same time yesterday | 04:32 |
| danilos | popey: wasn't that discussed to death already (which is why I made this, I guess, a bad joke)? | 04:32 |
| SteveA | thanks for raising the issue | 04:32 |
| popey | flacoste: that doesn't work though | 04:32 |
| popey | people reply to their own question saying "thanks" then mark *that* as the answer | 04:33 |
| SteveA | as we have only a limited time for this meeting | 04:33 |
| popey | ok | 04:33 |
| SteveA | I ask that other discussion wait until later | 04:33 |
| popey | was thinking I could write a spec for UDS about it? | 04:33 |
| SteveA | will any answer tracker people be at UDS? | 04:33 |
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| SteveA | kiko will be there | 04:33 |
| kiko | yes I will | 04:34 |
| popey | i will be there :) | 04:34 |
| SteveA | mrevell: are you here? | 04:34 |
| SteveA | the remaining agenda items are for mrevell. he is apparently not here. | 04:34 |
| SteveA | so let's skip forward to three sentences, and go back to the other items if mrevell comes back. | 04:34 |
| SteveA | * Three sentences | 04:34 |
| Rinchen | DONE: Sprinting at Steve's | 04:34 |
| Rinchen | TODO: Lots of Laundry, lots of sprint notes | 04:34 |
| Rinchen | BLOCKED: none. | 04:34 |
| mpt | DONE: help panel, 1.0 bug page (except doctests), FAQ, bug filing | 04:34 |
| mpt | TODO: land bug page, template cleanup, review 1.0 specs, bug fixes | 04:34 |
| mpt | BLOCKED: no | 04:34 |
| stub | DONE: Transaction isolation fixes, dba & production stuff, almost all OpenID | 04:34 |
| stub | TODO: Finish OpenID | 04:34 |
| stub | BLOCKED: No | 04:34 |
| flacoste | DONE: TestsStyleGuide, started AnswerSpec, land microsite update, reviews, Feisty update | 04:34 |
| flacoste | TODO: AnswerSpec, LiveHelpSpec, reviews | 04:34 |
| flacoste | BLOCKED: no | 04:34 |
| matsubara | DONE: triage unconfirmed, meeting with kiko, oops report, fixed 94164 | 04:34 |
| matsubara | TODO: more triage, much more! | 04:34 |
| matsubara | BLOCKED: no | 04:34 |
| statik | DONE: finished london sprint, ignored email, landed old branch, patch for support | 04:34 |
| statik | TODO: land support patch, docs, followup with customers | 04:34 |
| statik | Blocked: no | 04:34 |
| salgado | DONE: Shipit, some code review, lots of mirror prober testing/coordination with the sysadmins and some small fixes (#46662, #68395 and #107473). Also started fixing bug 70519. | 04:35 |
| salgado | TODO: Finish with 70519. More shipit, code review and random things. | 04:35 |
| salgado | BLOCKED: No | 04:35 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 70519 in launchpad "Need to allow team members to renew their own membership once it gets close to the membership's expiration date" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70519 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado) | 04:35 |
| allenap | DONE: bug-81014 (not complete), bug-103364 (reviewed by flacoste, needs-reply) | 04:35 |
| allenap | TODO: finish bug-81014 and bug-103364. new bugs have been assigned by Rinchen and BjornT | 04:35 |
| allenap | BLOCKED: no | 04:35 |
| ddaa | DONE: sprint with thumper | 04:35 |
| ddaa | TODO: sprint, write out specs, make code imports better | 04:35 |
| ddaa | BLOCKED:sign-off on security level for the code import system. | 04:35 |
| thumper | DONE: went to London office, ACCU conference, design sprint with ddaa | 04:35 |
| thumper | TODO: private branches, help write up specs from design sprint | 04:35 |
| thumper | BLOCKED: no | 04:35 |
| jamesh | DONE: code review, storm support prep, beta-link-to-production branch | 04:35 |
| jamesh | TODO: code reviews, storm support | 04:35 |
| jamesh | BLOCKED: no | 04:35 |
| bac | DONE: File mgmt implementation, informal review of Redfish | 04:35 |
| bac | TODO: Finish file mgmt, commercialization use-cases, design; reviewer training | 04:35 |
| mthaddon | DONE: Staging setup and learning/documenting | 04:35 |
| bac | BLOCKED: No | 04:35 |
| BjornT | DONE: holiday. sick leave. code reviews. bug fixes. | 04:35 |
| BjornT | TODO: code reviews. ubuntu open week. lp closing bugs via | 04:35 |
| BjornT | changelogs. | 04:35 |
| BjornT | BLOCKED: no | 04:35 |
| sinzui | DONE: A lot of refactoring of 'Show unsupported questions' (75487), Added 'Question retargeting' to (34050) to PendingReviews. | 04:35 |
| sinzui | TODO: 'Notification for questing in peferred languages only' (81369), 'Show original support requesters username' (89100) | 04:35 |
| sinzui | BLOCKED: No. | 04:35 |
| barry | DONE: testsuiterepair branch, team mailing lists phase two design meeting | 04:35 |
| barry | TODO: finish updating phase two docs, work on phase three docs | 04:35 |
| barry | BLOCKED: No | 04:35 |
| danilos | DONE: more ooo migration script optimisations (ready for executing), bug 46156, bug 91089, fixed missing references for pomsgset.reviewer, set language info in DB | 04:35 |
| danilos | TODO: finish 46156, discuss ff-export with jtv, schedule gutsy-related tasks, Rosetta chat in Ubuntu OpenWeek (arrange with mrevell) | 04:35 |
| danilos | BLOCKED: no | 04:35 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 46156 in rosetta "Broken .po file format export for Quanta" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46156 - Assigned to (danilo) | 04:35 |
| mthaddon | TODO: more of the same, more involvement in Production | 04:35 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 91089 in rosetta "Email address can be viewed by users who are not logged in" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91089 - Assigned to (danilo) | 04:35 |
| bigjools | TODO: NSS | 04:35 |
| bigjools | DONE: Close to landing NSS stage one. #50399 started then put to one side | 04:35 |
| bigjools | BLOCKED: no | 04:35 |
| jtv | DONE: A few bug fixes; discussions on Firefox, Gutsy, OpenOffice.org | 04:35 |
| jtv | TODO: Finish #1882, Firefox XPI export from Rosetta, assist PO import design | 04:35 |
| jtv | BLOCKED: no | 04:35 |
| mthaddon | BLOCKED: vanadium access | 04:35 |
| carlos | DONE: Debugged a problem with performance and filed bug #105855, Investigate packages in Feisty that lacks a .pot update, Firefox support, bug #102449 review and merge. Started with the plan to support Gutsy. | 04:35 |
| carlos | TODO: Finish Firefox imports ask a review and move the remaining bits to Jeroen's queue. Write new poimport spec, fix bug #105303. Schedule Gutsy tasks | 04:35 |
| carlos | BLOCKED: no | 04:35 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 105855 in rosetta "Finish gettext-po bindings and use that parser for imports" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105855 | 04:35 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 102449 in rosetta "upstream translations doesn't update rosetta ones when it should" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102449 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) | 04:35 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 105303 in rosetta "Visiting 'Change translator' form fails with NoCanonicalUrl" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105303 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) | 04:35 |
| cprov | DONE: soyuz rollout/rollback (due to cataclysm branch issues), fix cataclysm issues, working on bug #32261 (slave-scanner proper build result collecting) and NativeSourceSyncing. | 04:35 |
| cprov | TODO: gutsy opening + archive removal (warty/hoary/breezy) | 04:35 |
| cprov | BLOCKED: no | 04:35 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 32261 in soyuz "Buildmaster doesn't ensure the package was accepted before mark the build as FULLYBUILT" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32261 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) | 04:35 |
| Rinchen | mthaddon, copy the block | 04:35 |
| kiko | DONE: code reviews, some coding, coordination and reviews | 04:35 |
| kiko | TODO: more reviews, fix up final coordination issues | 04:36 |
| jtv | kiko: you haven't reviewed #88826 though! | 04:36 |
| kiko | BLOCKED: nope | 04:36 |
| kiko | jtv, will do now | 04:36 |
| SteveA | DONE: meetings in london, meetings in amsterdam with joey | 04:36 |
| SteveA | TODO: vacation mon-wed next week | 04:36 |
| SteveA | BLOCKED: no | 04:36 |
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| SteveA | mrevell: back? | 04:37 |
| mrevell | SteveA: I think so | 04:38 |
| mrevell | Done: Ubuntu Open Week prep, Launchpad tour redesign, blog | 04:38 |
| mrevell | Todo: Ubuntu Open Week sessions, Launchpad tour redesign, blog, identify upstreams we can work more closely with, user meeting | 04:38 |
| mrevell | Blocked: No | 04:38 |
| SteveA | thanks mrevell | 04:38 |
| SteveA | mrevell: your text was truncated earlier | 04:38 |
| mrevell | Ah | 04:38 |
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| mrevell | I have posted it to the mailing list. | 04:38 |
| SteveA | mrevell: ... many support requests, in order to bo [transmission ends] | 04:38 |
| Yannig | Hello everybody :) | 04:38 |
| SteveA | * Ubuntu Open Week - Launchpad session hosts - please contact mrevell to arrange a call to discuss your session (mrevell) | 04:39 |
| danilos | heya Yannig | 04:39 |
| Yannig | Is that normal that we are not able any more to translate OpenOffice through Rosetta? | 04:39 |
| Yannig | Hello danilos :) | 04:39 |
| mrevell | SteveA: would you like me to repost now? | 04:39 |
| mrevell | Or leave it to the mailing list? | 04:39 |
| mrevell | Everyone taking part in the Ubuntu Open Week sessions, please ping me after the meeting to organise a call where we can talk through your session. | 04:39 |
| mrevell | ddaa, jml, BjornT, flacoste | 04:39 |
| Yannig | danilos: Have you received my request for changing the Occitan team website? | 04:39 |
| SteveA | mrevell: we had some discussion about the first user-affecting issue | 04:39 |
| danilos | Yannig: no, it's something we are dealing with at the moment to enable better translation; but please wait for after the LP meeting for discussion :) | 04:39 |
| SteveA | mrevell: you said there were two | 04:40 |
| SteveA | what is the second one? | 04:40 |
| mrevell | Yes, I'll post the second now. | 04:40 |
| SteveA | Yannig: 5 mins | 04:40 |
| mrevell | Second: In another case, someone posted their username and password in a support request. Would it be possible to enhance the support contact system so that a project can select trusted support contacts, who could then edit questions and answers? At present, they have to request the help of one of the Launchpad team. | 04:40 |
| popey | (which to be fair was actioned quickly) | 04:40 |
| kiko | mrevell, editing history is always tricky. | 04:40 |
| kiko | I don't like the idea of support contacts editing history | 04:40 |
| kiko | I am okay with an admin function to do it | 04:41 |
| SteveA | we could allow them to remove the request | 04:41 |
| SteveA | flagged as "inappropriate" | 04:41 |
| flacoste | mrevell, kiko: we have a bug about hiding some comments | 04:41 |
| popey | how about redacting an entire comment? | 04:41 |
| popey | hiding it? | 04:41 |
| SteveA | as it is inappropriate to post login details | 04:41 |
| kiko | one that doesn't involve DB | 04:41 |
| kiko | that's a possibility | 04:41 |
| SteveA | we need this anyway | 04:41 |
| kiko | hiding comments | 04:41 |
| SteveA | to flag spam etc. | 04:41 |
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| Yannig | danilos: Thanks :) | 04:41 |
| mrevell | I think flagging comments as inappropriate, to be dealt with by the project owner, could be a good way to doit. | 04:42 |
| shirish | can anybody help me in creating a page in wiki or this is the wrong place to ask for that? | 04:42 |
| flacoste | bug 85358 | 04:42 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 85358 in launchpad-answers "Allow hiding inappropriate comment " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85358 | 04:42 |
| mpt | bug 85358 | 04:42 |
| mpt | darn, too slow | 04:42 |
| jtv | shirish: you walked right into a meeting :) | 04:42 |
| Yannig | danilos: For the Occitan website, I've been waiting for a SVN account for January 4th (and still no answer :o() so it's not in a hurry | 04:42 |
| shirish | jtv: ok sorry guys | 04:42 |
| jtv | shirish: almost done | 04:42 |
| SteveA | shirish: it's no problem | 04:42 |
| shirish | thanx guys | 04:42 |
| mpt | shirish, #ubuntu-doc might be better, depending on the type of page | 04:43 |
| SteveA | shirish: we'll be done in under 5 mins | 04:43 |
| shirish | sure, is it ok if I hang around or? | 04:43 |
| SteveA | mrevell: does that complete your top user-affecting issues? | 04:43 |
| mrevell | SteveA: Yes, the full text for issue one is on the mailing list | 04:43 |
| jtv | shirish: sure | 04:43 |
| shirish | jtv: thnx :) | 04:43 |
| SteveA | ok, that's all folks | 04:45 |
| SteveA | thanks for being here | 04:45 |
| SteveA | MEETING ENDS | 04:45 |
| danilos | SteveA: thanks | 04:45 |
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| shirish | lol | 04:45 |
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| flacoste | mrevell: ping | 04:45 |
| jamesh | kiko / mrevell: this is the related bug for the bug tracker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/81692 | 04:46 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 81692 in malone "Display team emblem on bugs from project contributors" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko) | 04:46 |
| mrevell | flacoste: pong | 04:46 |
| philiKON | how do i actualyl remove a member from team? | 04:46 |
| shirish | ok who can help me in adding the wikiname thing | 04:46 |
| philiKON | i can only deactivate members it seems | 04:46 |
| kiko | yep. | 04:46 |
| danilos | Yannig: my @gnome.org stuff is way backlogged, sorry about it | 04:46 |
| carlos | glatzor: so, what do you need? | 04:46 |
| flacoste | mrevell: am I still on for the answer tracker session? | 04:46 |
| philiKON | while having improved recently, the launchpad UI still is a bit confusing sometimes | 04:46 |
| mrevell | jamesh: thanks | 04:46 |
| jamesh | philiKON: if they are deactivated, they have been removed from the team | 04:46 |
| ddaa | mrevell: UOW, I thought that jml was doing it. But I'd be happy to take his place if there's a problem, that's why I volunteered. | 04:46 |
| philiKON | jamesh: aha | 04:47 |
| mrevell | flacoste: popey has agreed to take on the community side of things and to talk through actually using the system | 04:47 |
| philiKON | jamesh: then why the heck are they called "deactivated members"? | 04:47 |
| philiKON | they're not members anymore? | 04:47 |
| philiKON | but they're still called members | 04:47 |
| philiKON | that's confusing | 04:47 |
| jamesh | philiKON: because they are former members | 04:47 |
| Yannig | danilos: Do you mean you'd need me to send you again the mail? | 04:47 |
| shirish | guys, I'm having probs understanding this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnPageCreation | 04:47 |
| mrevell | flacoste: I thought it would be good if we could also be there, to add a small part about how it can be useful for projects who are considering it | 04:47 |
| flacoste | mrevell: ok, I do intend to attend so I can chip in if there is any development question | 04:47 |
| mrevell | flacoste: and to answer any specific quesiton | 04:47 |
| philiKON | jamesh: aha. | 04:47 |
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| mrevell | flacoste: excellent thanks | 04:47 |
| popey | cool | 04:47 |
| kiko | jamesh, 'Former members' is a better label indeed. | 04:47 |
| kiko | salgado, what do you think of ^^^ | 04:47 |
| LarstiQ | jtv: when you return from the bathroom, de groeten van Pieter Jansen | 04:47 |
| philiKON | yes, let's call it Former Members | 04:48 |
| danilos | Yannig: as far as OOo is concerned, we are splitting it into more, smaller templates so you can actually provide proper translations for duplicated strings, but that's waiting for stub to have some time to execute the template migration we prepared (so we won't lose any existing data) | 04:48 |
| carlos | mrevell: I'm on vacations tomorrow so when do you want to have that call for next week's openweek ? | 04:48 |
| mrevell | ddaa: Right, yes, jml has agreed to take part but I thought it was together with you. | 04:48 |
| popey | mrevell: ping me when you have a mo to talk about a call? | 04:48 |
| flacoste | thanks popey for doing the presentation! | 04:48 |
| jamesh | philiKON: please file a bug about the terminology :) | 04:48 |
| mrevell | carlos: when are you free today? | 04:48 |
| popey | np flacoste, you dont mind? | 04:48 |
| salgado | kiko, yeah, I like that | 04:48 |
| BjornT | mrevell: ping. when can you have the call about ubuntu open week? for me, it'd be good to have it tomorrow in morning. | 04:48 |
| philiKON | will do | 04:48 |
| mrevell | popey: When's a good time for you? | 04:48 |
| kiko | flacoste, BjornT: #cm or something? | 04:48 |
| danilos | Yannig: no, I mean that I have probably seen it, read it, but it needs acting on, so it's waiting for when I get more spare time :) | 04:48 |
| kiko | salgado, okay, rs=kiko | 04:48 |
| mrevell | BjornT: What time suits you best? | 04:48 |
| carlos | mrevell: well, I guess just before leaving for the day | 04:48 |
| carlos | I need to talk with jtv | 04:48 |
| flacoste | popey: I don't mind at all, I think it's better if it's somebody actually doing Ubuntu support that does the presentation | 04:48 |
| jamesh | philiKON: we keep track of former members because it can be useful to know if someone requesting membership in a team has previously been a member | 04:49 |
| danilos | mrevell, carlos: hey, I should be involved in those discussions as well :) | 04:49 |
| carlos | and I would be all yours | 04:49 |
| carlos | :-) | 04:49 |
| mrevell | carlos: So, that'd be around `18:00 UTC? | 04:49 |
| Yannig | danilos: Great for OpenOffice (I just wanted to file a bug about it, for I just cannot have it in Occitan on my Ubuntu). | 04:49 |
| popey | cool flacoste | 04:49 |
| BjornT | mrevell: any time after 0700 UTC, the earlier the better. | 04:49 |
| danilos | Yannig: I hope we'll solve it asap | 04:49 |
| carlos | mrevell: that's more 16:00 UTC | 04:49 |
| Yannig | For my SVN account, I don't know if I should give up, I'm really fed up with that :( | 04:49 |
| jamesh | philiKON,kiko: actually, I don't think they are all former members: that list may include people who asked to join but were rejected | 04:49 |
| carlos | mrevell, danilos: hmm, yeah, makes sense to have the meeting at the same time :-) | 04:49 |
| danilos | carlos: agreed :) | 04:50 |
| mrevell | carlos, danilos: 17:00 UTC is good for me. | 04:50 |
| carlos | danilos: ? | 04:51 |
| carlos | 17:00UTC? | 04:51 |
| glatzor | carlos: I fixed a wording issue in gnome-power-manager on the Rosetta level. Upstream did not use a consistent translation of suspend and hibernate (furthermore there was a third state stand-by that was actually suspend) | 04:51 |
| danilos | carlos: sure | 04:52 |
| mrevell | BjornT: 07:00 UTC is fine by me. | 04:52 |
| glatzor | carlos: I did the GNOME upstream translation, but used once again different terms since the German GNOME translators finally agreed on a consistent wording. | 04:52 |
| flacoste | popey: about your saying that 'This solved my problem' feedback is not working... | 04:52 |
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| BjornT | mrevell: cool | 04:52 |
| carlos | glatzor: does it affect only to German translations? | 04:53 |
| flacoste | popey: you are actually saying that owner are adding a 'Thanks' while saying that they solved their problem themselve? | 04:53 |
| mpt | glatzor, easy solution: merge the suspend and hibernate functions ;-) | 04:54 |
| glatzor | carlos: I can only talk about the German translation. | 04:54 |
| jtv | flacoste: they might do it from a different login, to bo<EOF>ost their karma? | 04:54 |
| flacoste | jtv: that would be too complicated | 04:54 |
| jtv | flacoste: I got the impression that that was the problem--i.e. that it was intentional. | 04:55 |
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| flacoste | jtv: not too complicated, but too much hassle | 04:55 |
| carlos | glatzor: isn't just faster doing a manual fix for German? How many strings are affected? | 04:55 |
| glatzor | mpt: you don't have to convince me, but the hardware vendors | 04:55 |
| flacoste | jtv: yes, it's much easier to just click 'I solved my own problem' while saying thanks | 04:55 |
| flacoste | jtv: it's near the same effect | 04:55 |
| carlos | glatzor: we usually fix them on DB side when it's a huge change, but a couple of changes... is better if you do it directly | 04:55 |
| glatzor | carlos: you could remove all German translations of gnome-power-manager that have been done in Rosetta | 04:55 |
| flacoste | jtv: plus, they can't do it from a different account, only the owner use that feedback feature | 04:56 |
| carlos | glatzor: how many strings are affected? | 04:56 |
| glatzor | carlos: and how should I do this? Rosetta does not provide a search function yet :) | 04:56 |
| glatzor | carlos: no idea to be honest. | 04:56 |
| glatzor | carlos: I will check. | 04:56 |
| carlos | glatzor: downloading .po file fixing it and uploading it again.. | 04:56 |
| glatzor | carlos: Rosetta doesn't know ancestors of translations? | 04:57 |
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| carlos | glatzor: if by ancestor you mean the one coming from upstream, yes | 04:57 |
| glatzor | carlos: So if upstream and ROsetta are the same, Rosetta will follow upstream on the next update? | 04:57 |
| carlos | yes | 04:57 |
| glatzor | carlos: fine. | 04:57 |
| glatzor | carlos: then I will fix it on my side. | 04:58 |
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| glatzor | carlos: by the way, any progress on the qa-team issue? | 04:58 |
| carlos | nothing yet done... | 04:58 |
| carlos | and will take some extra time as we are focusing on opening Gutsy for translations in a month | 04:59 |
| glatzor | carlos: Furthermore there seem to be a problem with the translation of kaffeine. | 04:59 |
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| carlos | glatzor: which kind of problem? | 05:00 |
| glatzor | carlos: I still seems to contain some very ancient translation of Jrgen Kofler that have been replaced upstream some time ago | 05:00 |
| carlos | hmm | 05:01 |
| carlos | glatzor: could you file a bug about it | 05:02 |
| carlos | with links to example messages? | 05:02 |
| mrevell | flacoste, popey: It'd be cool if we could have a call together. Perhaps tomororw? | 05:02 |
| flacoste | popey: i am available tomorrow for a skype call | 05:03 |
| flacoste | popey: or whatever communication channel you prefer | 05:03 |
| carlos | glatzor: we had a bug where we were not changing translations in launchpad when we were supposed to do it, that has been fixed this morning | 05:03 |
| carlos | so maybe it was caused due to that bug | 05:03 |
| glatzor | carlos: For sure. the strings are from the Dapper Drake days :) | 05:04 |
| carlos | well, that bug shouldn't be so old... | 05:04 |
| glatzor | carlos: the German KDE teams thinks about asking you to reset all KDE translations to upstream. | 05:09 |
| carlos | we have done it before | 05:09 |
| carlos | although is a bit difficult to classify what's KDE and what's not | 05:10 |
| glatzor | Right. I remember. | 05:10 |
| carlos | glatzor: if you decide to go that way, please, open a ticket requesting it on answers.launchpad.net/rosetta with the distro releases where you want it | 05:11 |
| glatzor | carlos: I am mainly the mediator :) the KDE upstream also cares about the KDE translations in Kubuntu | 05:12 |
| carlos | ok, then s/you/they/ :-P | 05:12 |
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| Yannig | danilos: I was told you also could approve SVN account for GNOME, do you have any idea why I have no answer for 3 months about my request? | 05:15 |
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| danilos | Yannig: I have no idea, some tickets get lost: just reply to automated response you got for your RT (so number is included), and CC danilo@gnome.org as well, and ask for me to approve your account as well | 05:16 |
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| carlos | jtv: can you read my jabber messages? | 05:18 |
| Yannig | danilos: Done, thanks a lot | 05:18 |
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| jtv | carlos: I can now | 05:20 |
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| Theuni | kiko: ping. new try. :) | 05:29 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #107722 in launchpad "Improve accuracy of database timeouts" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107722 | 05:30 |
| kiko | Theuni, what's up? | 05:32 |
| Theuni | kiko: I need some help on moving a milestone in the "Zope3" product. | 05:36 |
| Theuni | this milestone: https://launchpad.net/zope3/+milestone/3.3 | 05:36 |
| Theuni | somehow got associated with the 3.4 release branch and i want it to go back to the 3.3 release series. | 05:36 |
| Yannig | danilos: Thanks :) | 05:39 |
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| philiKON | jamesh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/107726 | 05:40 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 107726 in launchpad "Label "Deactivated members" is confusing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 05:40 |
| Yannig | You sent only to me, sure the others from the account team received the message too? | 05:40 |
| philiKON | ah, ubotu reported it for me already :) | 05:40 |
| ubotu | New bug: #107726 in launchpad "Label "Deactivated members" is confusing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107726 | 05:46 |
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| LarstiQ | Does anyone know how long it takes from Heathrow to the Millbank office? | 05:58 |
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| Theuni | gnah | 06:09 |
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| Theuni | kiko: sorry, my irssi crashed. did you say anything? | 06:10 |
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| popey | mrevell, flacoste, yes tomorrow is good, sorry was afk | 06:13 |
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| flacoste | popey: what time is good for you? i'm online from about to 13:00 UTC - 22:00 UTC | 06:13 |
| flacoste | popey: and is skype fine with you? | 06:14 |
| popey | cant do skype at work | 06:14 |
| popey | and tomorrow evening I will (hopefully) be going to the launch party :) | 06:15 |
| flacoste | popey: what's the best communication channel then, VoIP or real phone? | 06:15 |
| popey | real phone for me | 06:15 |
| popey | I dont mind making the call | 06:15 |
| popey | where are you geographically? | 06:15 |
| flacoste | popey: i can give you a call | 06:15 |
| flacoste | Montreal | 06:15 |
| flacoste | (Quebec, Canada) | 06:15 |
| popey | ok, how about 13:30 UTC == 14:30 BST (UK time) | 06:16 |
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| popey | i have to go now, will check irc when I get home in ~1 hour | 06:17 |
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| flacoste | popey: 13:30 UTC is fine | 06:17 |
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| mrevell | popey, flacoste: looks good to me | 06:29 |
| flacoste | mrevell: do you want to join the call?% | 06:29 |
| mrevell | flacoste: Actually, if you don't need me, then I'm happy not to attend | 06:29 |
| flacoste | mrevell: i think we can manage | 06:29 |
| mrevell | flacoste: cool | 06:29 |
| glatzor | danilos: hi, I already asked you last year about your python classes for handling po files. Could you please point me again to the download location? | 06:32 |
| glatzor | danilos: I would like to revive my podiff tool https://code.launchpad.net/~glatzor/podiff | 06:32 |
| glatzor | carlos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/107737 | 06:33 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 107737 in rosetta "Old upstream strings in Kaffeine don't get actualized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 06:33 |
| glatzor | carlos: I assigned the bug to you. | 06:35 |
| carlos | glatzor: thank you | 06:37 |
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| danilos | glatzor: http://kvota.net/hacks/zmijsko-gnezdo/gettext_po.py, but it may be buggy, so beware :) | 06:39 |
| danilos | glatzor: proper podiff tool will be very welcome everywhere :) | 06:40 |
| glatzor | danilos: I haven't looked at the code of my tool for a year, but trust me that I am familiar with dealing with buggy code :) | 06:40 |
| ubotu | New bug: #107737 in rosetta "Old upstream strings in Kaffeine don't get actualized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107737 | 06:41 |
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| kiko-fud | Theuni, done. | 06:55 |
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| Theuni | kiko-fud: yay! | 07:05 |
| Theuni | this feels weird | 07:06 |
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| LarstiQ | Theuni: heh :) | 07:08 |
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| Theuni | kiko-fud: can you also delete old vcs imports? | 07:13 |
| Theuni | there is a branch imported that is marked as "delete me" | 07:13 |
| Theuni | https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/zope3/zope3.2-deleteme | 07:13 |
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| kiko-fud | Theuni, I can't do that. I think ddaa or thumper or jml can | 08:16 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #107775 in launchpad ""Change details" in distribution branches shouldn't appear if you don't have rights" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107775 | 09:16 |
| Gwaihir | any sysadmin around? | 09:32 |
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| kiko | Gwaihir? | 10:19 |
| Gwaihir | kiko: yes? | 10:20 |
| kiko | you asked..? | 10:20 |
| Gwaihir | oh... | 10:20 |
| Gwaihir | I asked also in canonical-sysadmin | 10:20 |
| kiko | ah, ok. | 10:20 |
| Gwaihir | it was a problem with our server | 10:20 |
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| AlexLatchford | Howdy guys, anyone know if there is a way to search users by Email Address yet? | 10:58 |
| salgado | AlexLatchford, yes, that's possible but we only match against the beginning of an email address | 11:00 |
| kiko | AlexLatchford, you can search by an exact email address in /people/ | 11:00 |
| AlexLatchford | kiko: ta | 11:01 |
| flacoste | kiko, we have a serious usability bug in Launchpad Answers: bug #107810 | 11:01 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 107810 in launchpad-answers "'I Solved my Problem' button is ambiguous" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107810 | 11:01 |
| flacoste | I'd like your opinion on that | 11:01 |
| kiko | I Solved my own problem? | 11:01 |
| kiko | or | 11:01 |
| kiko | I Solved My Problem On My Own? | 11:01 |
| kiko | or | 11:01 |
| kiko | I Solved the Problem Myself? | 11:01 |
| kiko | or You Steenken Bastards did Nothin Fur Me | 11:02 |
| flacoste | i think that last one is clear :-) | 11:02 |
| flacoste | the second is ugly, but it has the advantage of being explicit | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | "I hate you all, why didn't you respond?" | 11:02 |
| flacoste | i think the problem is more relevant for non-English speaker | 11:03 |
| kiko | maybe, maybe. | 11:03 |
| flacoste | for example, the first question in the ones listed in the bug report was posted in French | 11:03 |
| flacoste | since the UI isn't localized, and depending on the English skill of the poster | 11:03 |
| flacoste | the nuance between 'I Solved my Problem' and 'I Solved My Problem On My Own' is subtle | 11:03 |
| flacoste | I'll add your suggestions to the report, thx | 11:04 |
| ubotu | New bug: #107810 in launchpad-answers "'I Solved my Problem' button is ambiguous" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107810 | 11:06 |
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| Lutin | hi. I just marked the bug #106239 as affecting debian, which is a mistake. is it possible to reverse that ? | 11:20 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 106239 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] qtpfsgui" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106239 - Assigned to davromaniak (davromaniak) | 11:20 |
| kiko | Lutin, reject the task. | 11:24 |
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| Lutin | kiko: how can I do it ? | 11:30 |
| kiko | click on the expander arrow and mark Status Rejected | 11:32 |
| Lutin | kiko: I can't edit the status, it's filed against debian | 11:33 |
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| kiko | even if you reported it? that's odd | 11:42 |
| kiko | okay | 11:43 |
| kiko | the reason is that you linked to a remote bug | 11:43 |
| kiko | you need to unlink it first | 11:43 |
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| kiko | I've done it for you anyway. | 11:44 |
| Lutin | kiko: oh, ok. thanks :) | 11:45 |
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