[12:28] <maddler> but the package wasn't there...
[12:28] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[12:28] <maddler> some _maybe_ something went wrong during upgrade...
[12:28] <Vessquire> Is there a headquarters for Canonical? Where whoever says release sits?
[12:28] <maddler> something
[12:28] <PriceChild> Vessquire, canonical is registered on the isle of man
[12:28] <maddler> Vessquire: on a boat in the middle of the ocean...
[12:28] <PriceChild> Vessquire, a tax haven off of england
[12:29] <maddler> is the isle of man a tax heaven?
[12:29] <Vessquire> ya
[12:29] <maddler> doh... didn't knew that...
[12:29] <EmxBA> :D
[12:29] <maddler> funny...
[12:29] <d4rky> EmxBA, I think I have UTC+1 but I'm not sure
[12:29] <d4rky> arr, not UTC+1 :P
[12:30] <sotec_> If I were to use a program like PartImage to copy the entire image of my OS, and copy it over to a larger hard drive, as long as i copy it starting with the first sector of my new hard drive, would Feisty boot up like it does now? Or is it smarter to just install Feisty onto the new hdd, copy over my /var and /home folders, which would mean losing all of my configurations/menu settings/extra installed programs, etc?
[12:30] <d4rky> geez, i'm tired. UTC+1 and eot
[12:30] <Vessquire> I doubt whoever is on the isle of man though
[12:31] <PriceChild> most canonical people work from home
[12:31] <Amaranth> london
[12:31] <PriceChild> well not most
[12:31] <Amaranth> the location you're looking for is london
[12:31] <PriceChild> its not registered there though
[12:31] <Amaranth> but it's not going to happen at midnight their time
[12:31] <mc44> Amaranth: actually norway is the key country
[12:32] <Amaranth> it's probably not going to happen for another 6 hours at least :P
[12:32] <Amaranth> mc44: why is that?
[12:32] <mc44> Amaranth: as Mithrandir is release manager
[12:32] <Amaranth> ah, right
[12:32] <Amaranth> well, i still don't think it'll happen at any special time
[12:32] <EmxBA> nice, Amaranth  :)
[12:32] <PriceChild> everyone always hopes...
[12:32] <maddler> Amaranth: true...
[12:32] <Vessquire> 6 hours will be midnight EST
[12:32] <PriceChild> never does
[12:33] <maddler> it will be released "tomorrow" :)
[12:33] <Amaranth> Vessquire: actually it'll be 12:30 am EDT
[12:33] <Vessquire> EDT, you're right.. I'm used to the old Indiana time
[12:33] <Amaranth> 12:33 am EDT if you want to be anal :)
[12:33] <Vessquire> Its a bit unnerving the way the Herd 6 and the RC were skipped though
[12:33] <Amaranth> 6 hours is closer to my midnight :P
[12:34] <jash> mc44: 00_33 here :)
[12:34] <Amaranth> #ubuntu is going to be full of people bitching about compiz
[12:34] <maddler> Amaranth: hahahahaha... true!
[12:34] <mc44> jash: :)
[12:34] <uvercinka>  hi. when will be feisty fawn will be released
[12:34] <Amaranth> the last upload feisty got for compiz broke it so badly
[12:34] <maddler> and my phone will keep ringing all day long!
[12:34] <crdlb> I think the topic needs to be redone in CAPS :)
[12:34] <mc44> Amaranth: really? how?
[12:35] <Amaranth> mc44: how would you like to have 1 panel?
[12:35] <Amaranth> like, it only shows on your first workspace
[12:35] <EmxBA> I'm going to sleep now :) and get some batteries for next 24 hours of waiting for Feisty ;)
[12:35] <mc44> Amaranth: ah, i fixed that in gnome-compiz-preferences I think
[12:35] <mc44> Amaranth: assumed it was my fault
[12:36] <Amaranth> mc44: not something you can fix in gnome-compiz-preferences...
[12:36] <cables> Are bugs going to continue to be fixed after release?
[12:36] <cables> It seems like a sort of hectic, rushed release to me, no offense..
[12:36] <Amaranth> you're talking about only having one workspace, i'm talking about only having a panel on the first workspace
[12:36] <mc44> Amaranth: worked for me...
[12:36] <gnomefreak> cables: security fixes only
[12:36] <Amaranth> cables: not for compiz
[12:36] <mc44> Amaranth: oh maybe I am confused
[12:36] <cables> Will they do something like thay did for 6.06 (6.06.1)?
[12:36] <gnomefreak> no
[12:36] <mc44> Amaranth: I have one long workspace, which takes the space of 4 normal ones
[12:36] <gnomefreak> 6.06 == LTS
[12:37] <crdlb> only if they missed someting big :)
[12:37] <cables> gnomefreak, will they fix ANY bugs at all besides security?
[12:37] <LjL> yeah
[12:37] <LjL> some
[12:37] <gnomefreak> cables: depends on importance
[12:37] <LjL> see feisty-updates
[12:37] <cables> ok
[12:39] <mc44> Amaranth: have you got a bug no for the problem?
[12:40] <shoot^> was the gnome control center removed from feisty? im running the beta and have the cascading menus...
[12:40] <crdlb> shoot^, you can add it back in alacarte I think
[12:40] <jpsamara> Ubuntu is down... release is comming
[12:40] <shoot^> crdlb - i see, so its not *actually* in feisty by default?
[12:41] <Angeluz> shoot^: Mine is enabled.
[12:41] <shoot^> hmmm :S
[12:41] <maddler> jpsamara: also consider how many ppl are trying to access that site... ;)
[12:41] <mc44> jpsamara: er... I doubt it
[12:41] <crdlb> shoot^, you just have to check it in the menu editor
[12:41] <shoot^> ah, seen :)
[12:41] <melon> maddler: I do ;)
[12:42] <melon> but is't down...
[12:42] <boricua> is there a time for the release tomorrow?
[12:42] <crdlb> no
[12:42] <mc44> boricua: see topic
[12:42] <concept10> what is up with people asking everyday about the release?  What you have now is pretty much final.
[12:43] <melon> ouh, after a while OLD ubuntu.com appeared!
[12:43] <concept10> Why wait until tommorw, or even next week?
[12:44] <jpsamara> tomorrow = today at UTC
[12:44] <melon> I guess to many people trying to open it. Maybe better luck tomorrow at UTC ?
[12:44] <maddler> concept10: infact I just finished upgrading...
[12:45] <maddler> concept10: also considering tomorrow repositories will be overloaded... ;)
[12:45] <d4rky-pl> 15 minutest to UTC 0:00
[12:45] <peter77> 1 day until release
[12:45] <concept10> maddler, thats a good thought
[12:46] <concept10> I don't know why people wait until final release.  It's not like 2000 bugs will be squashed before then.
[12:46] <concept10> Its almost like kids waiting for Christmas
[12:46] <peter77> lol, ubuntu fiesty was pretty stable in beta
[12:46] <concept10> lined up at the tree :)
[12:48] <sotec_prod> so much infact, that I want to transfer my entire setup to another hard drive
[12:48] <concept10> Its good to update early in my opinion.  When stuff breaks, you learn more about the system
[12:48] <sotec_prod> guess I should see if the harddrive is even accessable first.
[12:48] <sotec_prod> same here os2mac
[12:48] <os2mac> anyone got a wag on when the dist upgrade will be avail?
[12:48] <sotec_prod> 20th
[12:49] <maddler> concept10: I know... ;)
[12:49] <os2mac> thought it was 19th?
[12:50] <sotec_prod> i don't know, either way, it's close
[12:50] <sotec_prod> i doubt i'll have it on the exact day it releases
[12:50] <aaroncampbell> I think I have a folder shared via nfs...how would I mount it from another computer?
[12:50] <sotec_prod> is it coming in the form of an upgrade or an official fresh download/install?
[12:50] <crdlb> aaroncampbell, put it in your /etc/fstab
[12:51] <maddler> damn... a little help... there was an app... which basically made gnome/GTK apps using kde/QT theme... but can't recall its name!!!
[12:51] <sotec_prod> Aquamarine or somehting
[12:51] <sotec_prod> maddler
[12:51] <vio> sweet
[12:51] <sotec_prod> and helios is the gnome gtk one
[12:51] <maddler> sotec_prod: no... that will only apply to window decorations...
[12:51] <sotec_prod> or heliodor
[12:51] <maddler> but font sizes won't match...
[12:51] <sotec_prod> oh
[12:51] <vio> is the Rc out yet?
[12:51] <crdlb> maddler, gtk-qt engine?
[12:51] <crdlb> something like that
[12:51] <sotec_prod> dunno then
[12:51] <mc44> vio: see the link in the topic
[12:52] <maddler> crdlb: yup...
[12:52] <maddler> lemme google with that...
[12:52] <vio> sweeet
[12:52] <maddler> crdlb: great! thank you...
[12:52] <maddler> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/GTK-QT+Theme+Engine?content=20042
[12:52] <maddler> if someone cares...
[12:53] <vio> ok.. i just bought the Sound Blaster audiogy 2zs notebook (pcmcia) how to install ?
[12:53] <aaroncampbell> crdlb: how about for a one time thing?
[12:54] <aaroncampbell> crdlb: is there just a way using the mount command?
[12:54] <maddler> concept10: yep... is good to upgrade early... but not when you need to have your laptop always working... ;)
[12:54] <concept10> maddler, ive done it for two years now.. on main laptop..  every time it's broken (usually something with X) ive been able to fix
[12:55] <concept10> maddler, it's only made my knowledge stronger
[12:55] <NemesisD> is ubuntu.com slashdotted or something?
[12:55] <maddler> concept10: yep... I know... but sometime you need time to fix it...
[12:55] <maddler> NemesisD: well... maybe...
[12:55] <NemesisD> i think on their time feisty fawn should be released, i'm trying to get my grubby hands on it :[
[12:55] <concept10> maddler, yeah, and I guess sometimes you dont have time :)
[12:55] <crdlb> !nfs | aaroncampbell
[12:55] <ubotu> aaroncampbell: nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[12:56] <Centaur5> My nvidia driver is working correctly and I can run xconfig and do dual displays but glxinfo says extension glx is missing. Xorg log is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16324/
[12:56] <NemesisD> is there somewhere else i should be looking?
[12:56] <maddler> concept10: right... I know I can fix... but sometime I can't wait to fix...
[12:56] <concept10> maddler, yeah, i agree
[12:56] <maddler> btw... today I did a whole-disk backup with partimage... :)
[12:57] <sotec_prod> guess i'll try that hard drive, see if it's savable.
[12:57] <crdlb> Centaur5, did you use the ubuntu packages?
[12:57] <maddler> so if something went wrong with upgrade I would have been able to restore..
[12:57] <Centaur5> crdlb: Yes, I install nvidia-glx yesterday
[12:57] <crdlb> Centaur5, on what video card?
[12:57] <Centaur5> crdlb: mobile 7300
[12:58] <crdlb> Centaur5, you ought to use nvidia-glx-new
[12:58] <concept10> maddler, Ive been on this same install since Hoary.. Im amazed that it still works...  I think its time for a fresh install, but I feel comfortable with this one
[12:58] <maddler> concept10: same here...
[12:58] <Centaur5> crdlb: haha, when did they start using that package?
[12:58] <crdlb> Centaur5, a couple of weeks ago
[12:58] <maddler> and I also moved it on different laptops... :)
[12:58] <misfit_toy> since hoary here too
[12:58] <Eleaf> Does anybody here know a way to pipe something from a windows machine into my pulseaudio sound server on my linux machine?
[12:59] <maddler> concept10: hehehe... so... yes! it's amazing it still work! :D
[12:59] <Centaur5> crdlb: Oops, I didn't get the memo.  :)
[12:59] <concept10> im thinking the cruft is starting to build up, but I could be wrong
[12:59] <maddler> concept10: as long as everything works fine...
[01:00] <NemesisD> is there some other mirror other than ubuntu.com (which is just impossible to access right now) where I can download the feisty isos?
[01:00] <Centaur5> crdlb: Will there be a new config utility as well?
[01:00] <concept10> I hate when you remove applications and they leave junk behind.. I dont care if its one file.
[01:00] <d4rky-pl> DING!!! 0:00 GMT if i'm counting right
[01:00] <mc44> d4rky-pl: doesnt mean its getting released yet
[01:00] <NemesisD> mc44, WHAAA?
[01:00] <mc44> and you arent counting right
[01:00] <mc44> @now utc
[01:00] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 18 2007, 23:00:42 - Next meeting: Development Team in 15 hours 59 minutes
[01:00] <d4rky-pl> right
[01:00] <d4rky-pl> i forgot
[01:00] <aaroncampbell> thanks crdlb ....reading
[01:00] <crdlb> Centaur5, it has a better nvidia-settings
[01:01] <crdlb> Centaur5, nvidia-xconfig is mostly the same afaik though
[01:01] <os2mac> @now EDT
[01:01] <mc44> NemesisD: it isnt going to be released at midnight. At least not midnight utc
[01:01] <Centaur5> crdlb: Okay, well it just installed so I'll reboot x and see what happens then come back with the results.
[01:01] <maddler> d4rky-pl: it's not x-mas night! ;)
[01:01] <welshchris> Yup, currently 23.00 GMT, or 0.00  BST
[01:01] <d4rky-pl> maddler, stfu :P
[01:02] <mc44> !stfu | d4rky-pl
[01:02] <ubotu> d4rky-pl: Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[01:02] <d4rky-pl> I just forgot about daylight saving time
[01:02] <os2mac> @now New_york
[01:02] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: April 18 2007, 19:02:20 - Next meeting: Development Team in 15 hours 57 minutes
[01:02] <NemesisD> mc44, why the heck not :(
[01:02] <d4rky-pl> mc44, that was just a joke, don't get paranoid or smth
[01:02] <mc44> d4rky-pl: I am not paranoid :)
[01:02] <os2mac> clear
[01:02] <mc44> NemesisD: why should it be?
[01:02] <concept10> I can't take it anymore, the release happy crowd is getting on my nerves.
[01:03] <d4rky-pl> yaay, release the evil! (Little Nicky)
[01:03] <NemesisD> mc44, because the counter alluded to it being released then
[01:03] <mc44> concept10: well, only another 10 or so hours of that :)
[01:03] <maddler> concept10: hehehehe... and you'll see tomorrow...
[01:03] <nomasteryoda> yippie!! releasee, happy happy, joy joy
[01:03] <GluE_> omg when will there bee balloons and cake and candles to blow out!?
[01:03] <nomasteryoda> on a side note, other pc users are switching to debian
[01:03] <concept10> I have an idea!  Lets bug everyone on when the release will be and start downloading at the _same_ time and have slow download speeds!  How genius!
[01:04] <d4rky-pl> I bought a large, 1 kg frozen pizza to celebrate release of 7.04
[01:04] <phire> great idea
[01:04] <CVirus> In how many hours will I be able to upgrade to feisty ?
  just revel in it.  didn't have this 10 years ago when I was downloading the new release of slack =/
[01:04] <CVirus> oops .. just read the topic
[01:04] <concept10> CarinArr, 28
[01:04] <NemesisD> you seem like a very jaded person, concept10 ;)
[01:04] <d4rky-pl> concept10, i have a automatic script to download it when it'll come anyway
[01:04] <ceil420> heh
[01:04] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[01:04] <ceil420> i was gonna wait til the 20th to get Feisty
[01:04] <maddler> CVirus: less than 48 I'd say... :)
[01:05] <ceil420> but i couldn't, so i got it yesterday
[01:05] <concept10> NemesisD, scroll up and see how many times its been asked in the last 10 mins
[01:05] <ceil420> ><
[01:05] <darwin> When I try to play a video with mplayer I get the error message: "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device"
[01:05] <concept10> Feisty will be released in 8 more days I heard.
[01:05] <crdlb> darwin, try setting the video out to Xv
[01:05] <ceil420> lol
[01:05] <phire> I'm just going to get a new laptop, when it comes out, should I download live cd, or the other one
[01:05] <crdlb> darwin, are you using the gui version?
[01:05] <darwin> crdlb: yes
[01:06] <NemesisD> if it won't be out for 8 more days perhaps it wasn't wise that they put a counter on the front age
[01:06] <crdlb> darwin, ok right click, preferences, video tab, select xv, then click ok
[01:06] <jdrake> concept10: Some movies are just too painful to contemplate.
[01:07] <maddler> concept10: LOL!
[01:07] <welshchris> Whenever it's being released, looks like the Ubuntu webservers are being hit hard - slow response at the mo
[01:07] <NemesisD> agree
[01:07] <maddler> concept10: last night an idiot phoned me at home... at 3.30am... asking if there were any problem with a web site I host!
[01:07] <jdrake> Best try slashdot or reddit. They will be right quick with the answer.
[01:07] <mcphail> welshchris: well, don't keep pressing "reload" on your browser :)
[01:07] <enyc> was that feisty-changes ??
[01:07] <phire> welsgchris: because its the 19th in almost half the world now
[01:08] <darwin> crdlb: Thank you! that worked
[01:08] <mc44> enyc: I doubt it
[01:08] <concept10> Guess what the only upgrade that is waiting to be pulled down?  _opera_  !! Opera is going to instantly change my system into a Fawn!
[01:08] <enyc> im looking in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/date.html but I cant see it there yet... **did anybody else just get a  "accepted libx11-" something... ?
[01:08] <mc44> enyc: security update for dapper/edgy
[01:08] <mc44> enyc: calm down :)
[01:08] <ceil420> :o
[01:08] <jdrake> d4rky-pl: blasphemy will have no place here
[01:08] <ceil420> lol jdrake
  think I'll leave it a while before I upgrade, anyway.  Everything works right now
[01:08] <ceil420> t's wot i was thinkin' :p
[01:08] <concept10> maddler, I would have hung up on them
[01:08] <phire> and it will be the 20th in newzealand before it gets released
[01:09] <darwin> crdlb: also when I try to play an RMVB file in Totem it doesn't work even though I installed the w32codecs from Medibuntu
[01:09] <enyc> mc44: aaah ok ;-)
[01:10] <crdlb> darwin, you also need to install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
[01:11] <maddler> concept10: I did... but it was too late... my wife and my dughter weren't happy...
[01:11] <darwin> crdlb: that still didn't work
[01:13] <tiagoboldt> will it still be released today?
[01:13] <mc44> probably
[01:14] <concept10> maddler, check this screenshot, it proves feisty has been released: http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotle7.png
[01:15] <maddler> lemme see...
[01:15] <maddler> :)
[01:15] <concept10> heh :)
[01:15] <maddler> LOL!
[01:15] <maddler> hahaha
[01:17] <maddler> hmmm... any clue from where Kmilo can be accessed?
[01:17] <Centaur5> crdlb: Now I can't get x to start when attempting to use the nvidia driver.
[01:18] <vio> hiya guys
[01:18] <crdlb> Centaur5, oh joy
[01:18] <d4rky-pl> concept10, rotflmao
[01:18] <crdlb> Centaur5, did you reboot?
[01:18] <Centaur5> crdlb: Just x, you want me to reboot the entire machine?
[01:18] <vio> can you let me know when 1 of you are free to help me.. need support on a pcmcia sound card
[01:18] <crdlb> Centaur5, yeah that'd be good :)
[01:18] <crdlb> you're switching versions of the nvidia module
[01:19] <Centaur5> crdlb: Okay, it's doing it now
[01:21] <GeekChick|> Will Feisty Fawn be available through dist-upgrade from Ubuntu 6.10 when it's released or does that usually take a couple days extra compared to the ISO releases? I only ask because I've never been online near a release.
[01:21] <mc44> GeekChick|: yes it will be available. Dont use apt dist-upgrade to upgrade however
[01:22] <GeekChick|> mc44, will the update agent in notification area update immediately or take many more hours, or do I just have to grab the ISO when it's released and use the CD as a package source.
[01:22] <GeekChick|> im just wondering which is usually faster
[01:22] <mc44> GeekChick|: no the update agent will be immediate
[01:23] <vio> yay!!
[01:23] <vio> :)
[01:24] <vio> hi again
[01:24] <concept10> !topic
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[01:25] <vio> concept10: ?
[01:25] <concept10> vio, that wasnt aimed at you
[01:25] <vio> ahh, ok
[01:26] <mc44> yeah he is just doing !topic whenever anyone joins :p
[01:26] <vio> Question: Can anyone help me "select" my proper sound card coz the pref->sound doesn't manage to do this
[01:26] <Winball> seems like ubuntu.com is kinda slow now
[01:26] <Centaur5> crdlb: Worked like a charm!  Thanks for the info.  I never would have thought that the new nvidia driver would need a system reboot.
[01:27] <pyr0000> so when will it be released?
[01:28] <concept10> !topic
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[01:28] <_swab_> :)
[01:28] <pyr0000> so when its released
[01:28] <concept10> !topic
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[01:28] <pyr0000> so it will be released when it is released?
[01:28] <vio> how long should i wait before i repost my question?
[01:28] <mc44> correct
[01:29] <pyr0000> so for my new laptop should i start the install process of egdy and get it working which will take a day or so or should i hold out?
[01:29] <concept10> vio, Prefs > Multimedia Systems Selector
[01:29] <gradin> anybody know whats going on with this W: GPG error: http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org feisty Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[01:29] <Winball> Clean feisty install and about 1TB free hddspace
[01:29] <Winball> :D
[01:29] <gradin> i get that when i sudo apt-get update
[01:30] <vio> concept10: no such thing in my menu
[01:30] <mcphail> pyr0000: any new install is likely to be a little slow for a few days. The servers will be melting
[01:30] <concept10> vio, its probably disabled in the menu (which is stupid), check your menu editor, or run gstreamer-properties from the command line
[01:31] <aska1> hrm.. is http://www.ubuntu.com/ down? :S
[01:31] <Winball> aska1 no
[01:31] <Winball> :)
[01:31] <vio> concept10: ok, i'll try that :)
[01:31] <gradin> gpg --no-default-keyring --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --recv
[01:31] <pyr0000> is there somewhere that expanes the diff n edgy or feisty?
[01:31] <aska1> Winball: okok
[01:31] <gradin> blah
[01:31] <gradin> i knwo whats causing it now
[01:31] <Winball> aska1 Had problem joining too, try now
[01:31] <concept10> vio, or alt+f2 gstreamer properties
[01:31] <gradin> my bios battery died so the date is set at 2001
[01:31] <concept10> pyr0000, goto the website or the wiki and read all about it
[01:31] <gradin> meaning the gpg keys are invalid
[01:31] <pyr0000> the website is kinda down
[01:32] <concept10> pyr0000, goto the wiki
[01:32] <pyr0000> or just overloaded
[01:32] <Shiner_Man> So, I currently have edgy installed on my laptop and wanted to upgrade to 7.04 using the cd.
[01:32] <vio> concept10: thanks it worked like a charm, will i be needing to do this at every restart?
[01:32] <pyr0000> will feisty fix the no wireless after update?
[01:32] <concept10> vio, shouldnt have to
[01:32] <misfit_toy> isn't everyone here already running the beta? why the big brouhaha over today?
[01:33] <vio> concept10: thanks, got time for another question?
[01:33] <Shiner_Man> Is it just me or shouldn't there be an "update" part during the install
[01:33] <mc44> misfit_toy: because people are people
[01:33] <concept10> vio, Check the menu editor and see if it is disabled
[01:33] <misfit_toy> mc44, some are and some aren't! heheh
[01:33] <McAfee|away> A power cut, caused me to have a failed upgrade, what's the best way to recover?
[01:33] <concept10> vio, because if so I or you need to report a bug
[01:35] <Crazytom> i installed feisty a few weeks ago and i'm wondering what the difference between an updated beta version and an official fresh install is?
[01:35] <concept10> Crazytom, bugfixes
[01:35] <Crazytom> wouldn't i get those by installing the updates?
[01:36] <jStefan> could i use a livecd to recover from a failed upgrade?
[01:36] <concept10> Crazytom, yes
[01:36] <Crazytom> thx
[01:36] <mc44> Crazytom: there is no difference
[01:36] <Crazytom> good i don't want to install thunderbird again
[01:37] <vio> concept10:  there are definitly probs with the "sounds"
[01:37] <concept10> vio, what do you mean
[01:37] <Crazytom> downloading 3 years of e-mail from gmail is a giant pita
[01:37] <concept10> Crazytom, fills your drive too
[01:37] <vio> the login/out sounds won't disable for starters.. therfore other sounds will also not disable
[01:37] <NemesisD> hmm i think the mirrors for feisty are starting to become available
[01:38] <mc44> ...?
[01:38] <concept10> vio, Prefs > Sound, second check box
[01:38] <Crazytom> NemesisD, when will it be available?  noonish? or morning?
[01:39] <mc44> Crazytom: see the topic :)
[01:39] <Crazytom> sry didn't check that today
[01:39] <vio> concept10: doesn't work (i put "no sound" on all the boxes") i still keep getting the anoying login/out sounds
[01:39] <NemesisD> i have no idea im just kinda looking around the ubuntu forums and i'm seeing a few links
[01:40] <concept10> vio, try to select no sound for that even
[01:40] <concept10> *event
[01:41] <NemesisD> word on the street is that http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso is the final (non-beta) version :/
[01:42] <vio> concept10: i did the following 1: pref -> sound 2:  2.nd box "sounds" but "no sound" on ALL the items (log out: No sound) (Log in: No Sound) - that didn't work, so i turned off the "play system sounds" it's still coming on every log-in
[01:42] <concept10> vio, you can always erase the file
[01:42] <vio> got the command for that?
[01:43] <vio> that i can enter in the terminal
[01:43] <Stormx2> Feisty rawks :D
[01:43] <NemesisD> dang im getting 628KB/s on this, i hope to god it isn't beta
[01:44] <boricua> concept10:wget url
[01:44] <concept10> vio, cd to /usr/share/sounds and start wacking them with sudo rm <soundyoudontlike>.wav
[01:44] <docMuerto> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/ <-------- last last
[01:44] <vio> concept10: thank's, i'll do that. is there a way to upgrade to the rc1 from the beta or do i need a fresh install
[01:45] <concept10> vio, yep... you can upgrade
[01:45] <NemesisD> docMuerto, thats final yes?
[01:45] <vio> concept10: sweet, how?
[01:45] <mc44> NemesisD: the final is when it is released
[01:45] <docMuerto> NemesisD,  ok
[01:45] <mc44> NemesisD: which it isnt yet
[01:46] <[Al] > how about now
[01:46] <mc44> [Al] : ha. ha. :
[01:46] <mc44> :p
[01:46] <[Al] > :>
[01:46] <docMuerto> NemesisD,   look http://linux.cymaho.com/bajando-feisty-18Abril.png
[01:46] <concept10> NemesisD, for goodness sake, just grab it already
[01:46] <[Al] > OK bai!
[01:47] <concept10> !upgrade
[01:47] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:47] <vio> great :)
[01:47] <vio> concept10: thanks for the help :)
[01:47] <Noah0504> Everyone excited about the release of Feisty in a few hours?
[01:47] <NemesisD> theres a pretty big size descrepency between your version and mine, i'll trust yours docMuerto
[01:48] <GeekChick|> Hah, how fitting. Ubuntu.com is down for me
[01:48] <rerushg> can't get into Ubuntu site. is it down? overloaded?
[01:48] <Zancat> overloaded I believe
[01:48] <jg> that was an "exciting" upgrade....
[01:48] <vio> concept10: i got the feisty (beta) but there is a rc1 right? upgrade from feisty beta to ->rc1
[01:48] <jg> I hate "excitement".
[01:49] <Noah0504> I'm sure the forums will be down by morning as well.
[01:49] <jg> along with lots of people's systems, like mine was....
[01:49] <concept10> vio, Upgrades work like this:  What ever they put on the servers is the newest content (packages) when you upgrade, you will have the latest versions.
[01:50] <rerushg> everyone queueing up for Fiesty final, eh? What time?
[01:50] <jdrake> rerushg: 6:66
[01:50] <jg> rerushg: I wouldn't recommend randoms upgrade right now, that's for sure.....
[01:51] <vio> concept10: is there a way to check if i got the "rc"? i did download something, just don't know what it was
[01:51] <NemesisD> docMuerto, good mirror btw!
[01:51] <docMuerto> NemesisD,  thanks
[01:51] <Noah0504> rerushg: I'm preparing by just downloading the RC, haha.
[01:51] <GeekChick|> I see several mirrors starting to update their feisty directories.
[01:51] <jg> doing an upgrade on my laptop from edgy ended me up with a useless fstab....
[01:52] <rerushg> got it.... thanks...
[01:52] <concept10> vio, no way to tell.. its all about the packages
[01:52] <concept10> vio, cat /etc/lsb_release
[01:52] <vio> ok, thanks again
[01:52] <Stoffer> hmm...I can connect to my wireless network in roaming mode, but manually it won't connect.  Do I have to do anything after I set it up to get it to connect?
[01:52] <Patrick_> could anyone tell me why the my laptop hangs when I choose to log out??? annoyingly I have to hold down the power button to turn it off then restart!
[01:54] <LJ_> vio, you could always do an md5 check on the file you've downloaded against the md5s that come with the release, that'll show if you have the right iso
[01:55] <Stoffer> ok I'm back, did anyone reply to my networking query?
[01:56] <jg> so, who might care that my fstab was pretty broken after upgrading to feisty from edgy?
[01:57] <PriceChild> jg, did you by any chance edit your fstab by removing UUIDs ?
[01:57] <Stoffer> where can I get the driver that lets ubuntu read an ntfs partition?
[01:58] <PriceChild> Stoffer, included by default
[01:58] <Stoffer> really...:)
[01:58] <mips> Stoffer, how did it go ?
[01:58] <jg> PriceChild: not that I know of: my home directory/partition ended up without a UUID, and referencing hda2, rather than sda2...
[01:58] <Stoffer> mips, everything's running fine
[01:58] <mips> Stoffer, good to hear
[01:59] <PriceChild> jg, well edgy would have used UUIDs... so I'm guessing you must have removed them
[01:59] <Stoffer> mips, it didn't ask my about my windows, it just added it to GRUB automatically
[01:59] <jg> PriceChild: I just spent the last half hour figuring out what was broken...
[01:59] <mips> Stoffer, ok, as long as it works ;) I think that happens in the alternate cd
[01:59] <jg> PriceChild: could be: but the result is pretty catastrophic.
[01:59] <Stoffer> mips, the only issue I'm having is with my wireless connection now.  It won't connect when I set it up manually.
[01:59] <PriceChild> jg, not really... just needs a live cd to edit a single file and correct your mistakes
[02:00] <jg> PriceChild: it was upgraded from dapper a long time ago.
[02:00] <Stoffer> is there anything I need to do to "kick" it once it's configured?
[02:00] <jg> PriceChild: I'm saying this is something that can/will happen commonly, and you end up with a useless system beyond most people's ability to debug.
[02:00] <jg> not good.
[02:00] <mips> Stoffer, check out http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=179   &    http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=136
[02:00] <LasseP> hi anyone hawing trouble with Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller?
[02:01] <PriceChild> jg, I agree... afaik everyone's aware of it. But the problem is that it doesn't occur on a normal upgrade path unless you edit things yourself afaik
[02:01] <mips> Stoffer, sorry, I have never setup wireless as all my stuff is wired althoug I have 3 wireless cards
[02:01] <Stoffer> mips, that's fine.  There's also something complaining about my restricted ATI driver
[02:02] <jg> PriceChild: with the change from hda to sda, it would seem a graceful upgrade path would be to fix the name in the fstab.
[02:02] <mips> Stoffer, did you install the restricted drivers ?
[02:02] <jg> I have no clue how to even find what the uuid of a partition might be....
[02:02] <Stoffer> mips, no, it did it automatically
[02:03] <mips> Stoffer, well keep at it, I'm sure you will find solutions to those issues
[02:04] <Stoffer> mips, the ATI accelerated graphis driver is not in use, while the Atheros Hardware Access Layer is in juse.  that's what it tells me when I click the icon in the top right panel
[02:05] <Stoffer> mips, should I enable the ATI driver?
[02:05] <jpsamara> Is there a mirror list somewhere? now that the site is lagging
[02:05] <mips> Stoffer, I would enable it and reboot or restart X
[02:06] <Stoffer> mips, ok, it's downloading it now
[02:06] <TheCreationist> Is ntfs write support included in Feisty?
[02:06] <sishgupta__> its in the repos
[02:06] <TheCreationist> Also... does anyone know why trying to update from Edgy to Feisty just gives this error : "Could not calculate upgrade"
[02:06] <PriceChild> !ntfs-3g | TheCreationist
[02:06] <ubotu> TheCreationist: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[02:07] <mstrzele> hi there, where's feisty? :(
[02:07] <TheCreationist> PriceChild: I already use that... was just curious if it was included in Feisty
[02:07] <PriceChild> TheCreationist, used 3rd party repos?
[02:07] <PriceChild> mstrzele, see /topic
[02:07] <TheCreationist> PriceChild: Yes, but I've removed them from sources.lst
[02:07] <mstrzele> PriceChild: ;)
[02:07] <Patrick_> could anyone tell me why the my laptop hangs when I choose to log out??? annoyingly I have to hold down the power button to turn it off then restart!
[02:09] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, NTFS-3g is available in the default repos in Feisty
[02:09] <TheCreationist> ok
[02:09] <Patrick_> when is the full release of feisty out
[02:10] <Amaranth> Patrick_: hours
[02:10] <likefists2heaven> soon
[02:10] <Flankk> Apparantly whenever they feel like it.
[02:10] <TheCreationist> Okay, well I've decided to go ahead and do a clean install of Feisty... but I have some questions.  When doing so, is there a way to backup my user's password info.... otherwise I'll have to set them all up again
[02:10] <Patrick_> yeah, it'll be ready when its ready kinda thing
[02:11] <Kitagua> somehow the Countdown on ubuntu.com switched back to 'Release is Tomorrow' ^^
[02:11] <TheCreationist> I thought I heard the release date was delayed....
[02:11] <thoreauputic> Patrick_: /topic ;)
[02:11] <Flankk> Either push back the release date or don't have one at all.
[02:12] <TheCreationist> ...shoot, I'd settle for an update tool that works ;)
[02:12] <concept10> heh
[02:12] <Patrick_> ho
[02:12] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, How are you trying to update exactly?
[02:13] <TheCreationist> Jordan_U: Using "kdesu update-manager -c -d"
[02:13] <misfit_toy> concept10, the joy of smoking! :)
[02:13] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, If you are going to re-install anyways you may as well try to force an upgrade and see what happens
[02:13] <concept10> misfit_toy, Im trying to decide if I want a beer or cranberry juice
[02:14] <TheCreationist> Jordan_U: How would I do that?
[02:14] <Flankk> So when it's released, is there a list of mirrors to download 7.04 from?  Because ubuntu.com is down.
[02:14] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgradesManual
[02:14] <wharpix_> ubuntu.com is up again..
[02:14] <TheCreationist> Oh... and I assume that installing from the current alt-cd image of Feisty, when the final is released, I can update automatically, right?
[02:15] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, Yes, make sure you use the daily build rather than the Beta
[02:15] <Flankk> wharpix_, okay.
[02:15] <misfit_toy> concept10, that isn't a choice, that's a given, beer!
[02:15] <TheCreationist> Jordan_U: Yeah, I'm downloading the daily build
[02:16] <concept10> misfit_toy, I love drinking beer but cranberry juice doesnt leaving you feeling crazy at the end of the night :)
[02:16] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, And remember that if you want to remove the stuff you don't want from ubuntu-desktop copy down what packages it installs when you install it
[02:17] <misfit_toy> concept10, neither does beer, just very very sleepy....zzzzz
[02:18] <stone-unix> ready to feisty? released or not??
[02:18] <misfit_toy> stone-unix, /topic
[02:18] <jpsamara> When looking at a mirror I see a Archive-update-in-progress file  :)
[02:18] <misfit_toy> can you send /topic to someone? like:
[02:18] <misfit_toy> ah
[02:19] <misfit_toy> must be chan op
[02:19] <jpsamara> !topic
[02:19] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[02:20] <webcrawle> anybody have the time of the 7.04 release?
[02:20] <mips> when its ready
[02:20] <|NewUser|> webcrawle, see the topic :)
[02:20] <Prez> haha
[02:20] <concept10> ubotu, topic is Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains essential information, including release status.  To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[02:21] <Prez> i wonder if there was a windows channel waiting for Vista with people asking when it would b released for a whole 2 years..haha
[02:21] <webcrawle> so sry
[02:21] <thoreauputic> ;p
[02:21] <kiba> hi
[02:21] <concept10> heres anothewr
[02:21] <Zorlin> thorea
[02:21] <Zorlin> dont you mean +B?
[02:21] <fulvioo> lol
[02:21] <Zorlin> +q = channel founder-level access
[02:21] <Flankk> thoreauputic, It might help if you actually put a release time in the topic...
[02:21] <kiba> torrent????
[02:21] <webcrawle> you really should put it at the top of the topic, i read it, but after the link i quit reading
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Flankk: and how are we going to do that when we don't know?
[02:22] <concept10> PriceChild, please update the topic
[02:22] <Flankk> thoreauputic, 3 people in #ubuntu said within the hour.
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Flankk: they are wrong though
[02:22] <grayman> Flankk, they said whithin a hour if it's ready
[02:22] <ANTDx2> You mean the thing I am currently downloading is not the final release?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Flankk: it isn't released yet
[02:22] <Stoffer> in the network manager my wireless network is called ath0, but in /etc/network/interfaces there's only wlan0.... why?
[02:22] <fulvioo> how many of you already bookmarked a download server with trilling /7.04 ? :P
[02:23] <ANTDx2> oh well it can't be too much different.
[02:23] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to see the progress of bzip2?  I'm compressing a LARGE file (over 11G), and I'd like to be able to see how it's coming
[02:23] <PriceChild> fulvioo, not me... i already have it
[02:23] <fulvioo> :>
[02:23] <Dekkard> is there an issue with network manager and hibernation..?
[02:23] <Prez> i am on a jabber conference with canonical, not releasing til the 20th
[02:23] <Zorlin> Whats #ubuntu+2?
[02:23] <grayman> Gusty?
[02:23] <Zorlin> No, the topic says edgy.
[02:23] <Dekkard> warty?
[02:23] <mips> Stoffer, ?
[02:23] <Prez> just kidding, have no clue when it's happening...
[02:24] <ANTDx2> #ubuntu+2 is old and outdated.  "welcome to Edgy"
[02:24] <kiba> oh shit
[02:24] <Zorlin> yeah, thought so
[02:24] <Zorlin> rofl
[02:24] <Stoffer> mips, shouldn't that file have an ath0 entry?
[02:24] <Crazytom> i'm going to install fiesty on two of my co-workers computers tommorow.  anyone know when... just kidding...
[02:24] <PriceChild> !ohmy | kiba
[02:24] <ubotu> kiba: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:24] <Prez> haha
[02:24] <Flankk> IMO this is stupid.  Why not just push it to tomorrow instead of keep everyone waiting?
[02:24] <fulvioo> whats #ubuntu,0 ? :P
[02:24] <voidmage-away> aaroncampbell: you could run it with -v
[02:24] <ANTDx2> Flankk, today still has 20 hours left
[02:24] <mips> 24hrs on the release clock
[02:24] <Dekkard> i dont get all the flack about the release date.. when its ready it will be ready..
[02:24] <PriceChild> Flankk, it will be released when its ready
[02:25] <Flankk> ANTDx2, 23, actually.  I'm talking about Etc/GMT.
[02:25] <concept10> PriceChild, please update the topic
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Flankk: where is it written that the release has to be a t midnight?
[02:25] <Prez> so anyways, what is Ubuntu, some kind of software?
[02:25] <PriceChild> concept10, ?
[02:25] <kiba> when will be ready??
[02:25] <aaroncampbell> voidmage: that just shows: filename.tar:
[02:25] <concept10> Update the topic
[02:25] <carlosqueso> they'd save a lot of angst (and server load) if they just lied about the date, and put it up before the official release time
[02:25] <aaroncampbell> voidmage: then it fills in the compression ratio when it's done
[02:25] <concept10> PriceChild, i know you have ops
[02:25] <ANTDx2> I was estimating
[02:25] <Flankk> thoreauputic, Then adjust the topic to say it will be released within 24 hours!
[02:25] <mips> yeah, they should have a randon release within a week
[02:26] <grayman> thoreauputic, heh. a lot of people think that it should. The site is like under ddos
[02:26] <Prez> anyone here running beta releases?
[02:26] <grayman> yes
[02:26] <mips> yes
[02:26] <concept10> Prez, nope
[02:26] <Dekkard> Feisty is the next generation Linux distro.. it will be ready by the next generation...
[02:26] <jpsamara> lol
[02:26] <Prez> the only thing not working great on my thinkpad is sound after resume fromhibernation... just hope that gets fixed..
[02:26] <Stoffer> mips, I'm following a tutorial on using wpa_supplicant for my wireless
[02:26] <mips> Stoffer,ok. and the ati ?
[02:27] <Prez> in edgy that is.. hopefully this feisty thing will fix it
[02:27] <Stoffer> mips, oh, I haven't restarted yet, I'm ignoring it for now
[02:27] <carlosqueso> we could be debian and everybody'd be waiting for the next few years
[02:27] <mips> cheers, way past my bed time !!!
[02:28] <Flankk> carlosqueso, maybe Ubuntu has become Debian.  The community gets ruder every day.
[02:28] <carlosqueso> eh...as your community gets bigger, more rude people creep in
[02:29] <concept10> Ive been rude since day 1
[02:29] <ANTDx2> It's like "Are we there yet?!"
[02:29] <Flankk> I'm talking about asking for help and geting 20 elitist pricks hopping on your back.
[02:29] <carlosqueso> me too
[02:29] <VR_> "... released when it is released" so not tomorrow!
[02:29] <ANTDx2> I haven't had that yet.  I hear of all sorts of people who think they're cool because they bash Ubuntu though
[02:29] <concept10> Flankk, you need to learn how to ignore fools on IRC
[02:29] <Prez> in british english, do you spell it priggs?
[02:30] <adder1972> Sorry for asking, but does anyone know when 7.04 will be released ("Feisty will be released when it is released" is a bit wague....)
[02:30] <grayman> today
[02:30] <jpsamara> today] 
[02:30] <webcrawle> lol
[02:30] <grayman> yeah
[02:30] <Stoffer> mips: how do I get into the device manager?  I keep losing it
[02:30] <grayman> add it in the topic
[02:30] <Prez> lota dense people..
[02:30] <grayman> less questions
[02:30] <Arko> hi
[02:30] <adder1972> We had a coundown in the forum, but nothing happened  ;-)
[02:30] <grayman> there is a countdown on the site
[02:30] <Arko> is Feisty already released?
[02:30] <jpsamara> lol... countdown in the ubuntu furom?
[02:30] <grayman> for few days now
[02:30] <concept10> adder1972, good, this isnt christmas
[02:30] <aaroncampbell> in Konqueror if I right click on a file, I get a compress option (allowing me to make it a .gz, .rar, etc) but if I click on a .tar file I don't get that.  Seems like it should still be there, since .tar isn't really compressed...just stored.  It would still be nice to be able to turn that into a .gz
[02:30] <njee> haha I was there too, btu then I remember edgy was like a day late by the time I got it in Australia
[02:30] <Prez> Arko: it's there, waiting for ya..
[02:31] <Flankk> Good thing I didn't show up for the countdown in Time Square...
[02:31] <Arko> :)
[02:31] <carlosqueso> that's why I'm hanging out here, as someone will come in here all jubilant
[02:31] <stone-unix> we, a lot of ubuntu chinese users, are waiting in the ubuntu-cn channel
[02:31] <Stoffer> mips: is the name of my driver next to info.linux.driver in "advanced"?
[02:31] <adder1972> @ concept10: It is for me  ;-)
[02:31] <concept10> Gosh, I thought my life was bad.
[02:31] <stone-unix> waiting is so torturing
[02:32] <Arko> it says release tomorrow
[02:32] <concept10> stone-unix, dont wait, find something else to do
[02:32] <njee> They so should definitely do it as a midnight launch thing, PS3 style :P
[02:32] <RawSewage> It's only tomorrow in the US
[02:32] <Arko> it is already tomorrow in some places.
[02:32] <RawSewage> It's today everywhere else
[02:32] <carlosqueso> it's a release party!
[02:32] <Hairulfr> It's tomorrow here as well, what a rip off :(
[02:32] <RawSewage> Ubuntu is in Africa
[02:32] <carlosqueso> actually, if i'm not mistaken, it's officially on the isle of Man
[02:32] <adder1972> I guess the repositories are pretty updated anyway ...
[02:33] <njee> haha, says Distrowatch
[02:33] <Flankk> How can you have a release party when it's not released until midnight of the next day.  It will be the 20th in some places...
[02:33] <RawSewage> Theyre on an island?
[02:33] <carlosqueso> it's an IRC release party now
[02:33] <Dekkard> ubuntu is in africa??
[02:33] <Hairulfr> RawSewage: They're lost
[02:33] <concept10> haha
[02:33] <RawSewage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man
[02:33] <RawSewage> lol
[02:33] <njee> sabdfl is in london....
[02:33] <stone-unix> concept10: ok
[02:33] <grayman> it's tomorrow in africa
[02:33] <Dekkard> hoem of the Islae of man TT.. also the origin of a rather unique Cat
[02:34] <Arko> Why has US the monopoly of tomorrow?
[02:34] <feistyman> Hey, does anyone know about tomorrow's release. Do we get an update that makes us the final version?
[02:34] <Prez> Arko: cause it can afford to ...
[02:34] <Dekkard> 0_o
[02:34] <Arko> hmmm
[02:34] <Hairulfr> Arko: Because they have the monopoly of destroying the world for everyone?
[02:34] <grayman> if you're talking about Canonical then no
[02:34] <grayman> they're in europe
[02:34] <concept10> This channel is getting ridiculous.  Im going to get a beer, have fun waiting on the final release.
[02:34] <TheDebugger> I'm sure we already have the final build...
[02:35] <Arko> that is why they are so hated, I guess
[02:35] <Prez> Arko: as always, depends who you ask
[02:35] <Arko> by the way, is there a program to edit pdfs?
[02:35] <ffm> So, how can I test the final?
[02:36] <ffm> I have heard 5 installed alrady
[02:36] <grayman> where do you get that rumors
[02:37] <TheDebugger> If we have the beta.. then did a dist-upgrade today, we should have feisty final
[02:37] <grayman> no
[02:37] <grayman> no updates since few days now
[02:37] <Dekkard> this is getting rediculous
[02:37] <Hairulfr> ffm: Hmm... I'm still on beta, but I've been receiving so many updates lately that I guess it's pretty much final
[02:37] <TheDebugger> grayman: Yeah, 2-3 days
[02:37] <TheDebugger> No system updates...
[02:38] <TheDebugger> Si it means.. feisty is frozen, ready to be release imo
[02:38] <Hairulfr> No for a while no, but been flooded lately
[02:38] <misfit_toy> the last update was the update-manager itself, I'm guessing in preparation for bombardment of geeks with woodies on for fiesty enjoyment.
[02:38] <Hairulfr> misfit_toy: Lol
[02:38] <grayman> meh
[02:38] <grayman> there goes the nice 200kbs speed on repos
[02:38] <adder1972> so its just to do "sudo apt-get update/upgrade?"
[02:38] <PriceChild> TheDebugger, yes if you update/upgrade/dist-upgrade you have latest
[02:39] <grayman> in theory update-manager should give you an option
[02:39] <Hairulfr> I'm already looking forward to Gutsy Gibbon (at first I read it as "Gutty Gibson")
[02:39] <misfit_toy> Hairulfr, cool, the guitar version
[02:39] <Toma-> imho, the final is going to be released when there more testing done on the final candidate ISO's. so get installing and give reports. im burning the ISO right now
[02:44] <RawSewage> Ubuntu Operational HQ: London, United Kingdom
[02:44] <RawSewage> so it's release day already
[02:44] <Hairulfr> Toma-: Wha, the final?
[02:44] <Toma-> Hairulfr: read the topic
[02:44] <carlosqueso> of course, when I say "I'll do it tomorrow" I don't usually mean midnight
[02:44] <grayman> Toma-, shhhhhhhhhh!!!!
[02:44] <misfit_toy> Hairulfr, and it's "Gusty" not "Gutsy" I believe.
[02:44] <grayman> you ruined it!
[02:44] <adder1972> @ PrinceChild: Thanks
[02:44] <RawSewage> it says Gutsy in Wiki
[02:44] <misfit_toy> k
[02:44] <carlosqueso> I hope not misfit_toy, as add that to breezy and we have two flatulent animals
[02:44] <Hairulfr>  misfit_toy: reallY? What is Gusty? Windy?
[02:44] <misfit_toy> I was hoping for Gusty, oh well
[02:44] <grayman> a gust of wind
[02:44] <Hairulfr> A Gibbom with gas?
[02:44] <Hairulfr> Gibbon
[02:44] <taggie> Gibbons are gutsy.
[02:44] <sotec_prod> Is there an easy way to see what folders are on what partitions?
 To clone my Feisty install onto a larger harddrive  using a simple copy/paste method, i would need to set up the proper sized partitions on the larger disk first correct? And then paste all of the folders accordingly so that it booted up right...is this correct?
[02:44] <jpsamara> The RC isos had squashed the libata bugs but there was a minor bug with the part. manager
[02:44] <RawSewage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbon
[02:44] <Journeyman> is feisty going to be released tomarrow?
[02:44] <sotec_prod> or would it be wiser to just section off a partition at the end of the larger drive, use a drive image program such as PartImage to place it there, then boot the live cd, use part image to recover that image so that it installs onto the larger drive just as it was on my current drive?
[02:44] <RawSewage> Journeyman, no
[02:44] <Journeyman> k
[02:44] <RawSewage> today
[02:44] <jpsamara> Today.
[02:44] <Journeyman> oh!?
[02:44] <Journeyman> already?
[02:44] <misfit_toy> "when it's ready"
[02:44] <Toma-> I hope theres some sort of donation thing for Gibbons when Gutsy gets released http://www.silvery.org.au/
[02:44] <jpsamara> Today is thursday
[02:44] <PriceChild> Journeyman, topic
[02:44] <Prez> is that today UTC, UTC -6, UTC +12 ?
[02:44] <Journeyman> I just heard it was tomorrow and wanted to know if it was true or not
[02:44] <muszek> hi... is it cancelled?
[02:44] <Prez> carlosqueso: good idea
[02:44] <|NewUser|> ummm finally get complete updates fiesty.. going runs so gud..
[02:44] <carlosqueso> no.
[02:44] <PriceChild> carlosqueso, i doubt anyone would read it anyway
[02:44] <carlosqueso> true
[02:44] <Journeyman> no topic just says it will be released when its released
[02:44] <RawSewage> Gibbons are social animals. Strongly territorial, gibbons defend their boundaries with vigorous visual and vocal displays.
[02:44] <Flankk> So it will be released when all the bugs on https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ are squashed?
[02:44] <Hairulfr> Finally, my stupid ISP took care of business, and I'm  now able to dl just over 2Mb a sec.. Nice
[02:44] <mister_roboto> does anyone know if truecrypt will ever be part of ubuntu's repos? any plans?
[02:44] <Toma-> Flankk: yeh. well, the big bugs at least
[02:45] <Flankk> Toma-, That could take *days*
[02:45] <muszek> carlosqueso: what do you mean by "cancelled"?  RC or today's final release?
[02:45] <Toma-> Flankk: yep.
[02:45] <|NewUser|> Hairulfr, its gr8 :) 2mb
[02:45] <carlosqueso> neither, was a joke
[02:45] <muszek> oh :)
[02:45] <Flankk> Toma-, People are saying today though..
[02:45] <|NewUser|> GeekChick|, Best 0f luck :)
[02:46] <Toma-> Flankk: people are wrong :O
[02:46] <GeekChick|> |NewUser|, it's taking a long ass time on python 2.5
[02:46] <GeekChick|> lol
[02:46] <benanzo> If anyone here is running Feisty on a macbook core duo, have you had trouble with the i810 driver and DRI after the latest updates?
[02:47] <Flankk> Toma-, This is dumb.  There are obviously going to be a tonne of bugs, even if not all reported.  Why not just release it and patch later?
[02:47] <|NewUser|> GeekChick|,  lol
[02:47] <benanzo> I have a post in the forums detailing my problem, maybe someone can help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2476161#post2476161
[02:47] <Hairulfr> Flankk: Anyone had any major issues with beta? I didn't, and it's been less buggy than any distro I've ever used
[02:48] <Flankk> Hairulfr, exactly, so why not release it already?
[02:48] <taggie> Flankk, if the bugs prevent the install of the distro, you can't patch what you can't install.
[02:48] <Toma-> Flankk: he more serious bugs you get out of the installer, the more people you get with a healthy install. and less whinging windows users in #ubuntu saying "Waa waa it doesnt work Ubuntu sucks im going to tell all my friends"
[02:48] <Hairulfr> Flankk: I was gonna say what taggi said
[02:48] <Amaranth> Flankk: the tests right now are "does the CD boot and install?"
[02:48] <Zorlin> Yeah, my one had some issues with install.
[02:48] <grayman> Toma-, don't scare the kid. it will be out today
[02:49] <Zorlin> (my copy of the beta)
[02:49] <ANTDx2> Guys he just asked a question...we dont need 4 people summarizing the same general idea =P
[02:49] <Zorlin> 5* sorry
[02:49] <Toma-> People...... if you really want to get it the second it comes out, keep hitting refresh on this page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/
[02:49] <Amaranth> Flankk: imagine the embarrassment if they released a CD that didn't even boot
[02:49] <Hairulfr> I tried Sabayon, the live cd worked and was impressive (but ugly), but it didn't install.
[02:49] <Amaranth> Toma-: No.
[02:49] <Toma-> no?
[02:49] <grayman> Toma-, and don't give them ideas x_x
[02:49] <Flankk> Amaranth, not to troll but that's how it wen't with the last 5 releases for me.
[02:49] <Flankk> Amaranth, I guess I'll do some testing then.
[02:49] <ANTDx2> yeah let's try to refresh the page over and over and over til i t goes offline =P
[02:50] <Toma-> Flankk: you werent around for dapper?
[02:50] <Hairulfr> ANTDx2: LOL
[02:50] <Zorlin> Ant, better that than the main page
[02:50] <Amaranth> Flankk: Right well this is why you should have been testing and reporting bugs throughout the feisty cycle :)
[02:50] <Zorlin> this is just a directory listing. less load on the server
[02:50] <NemesisD> is there an easy way to find out once i burn this iso i'm downloading if it's the real final release or not?
[02:50] <ANTDx2> ah well still...why don't you just promise them to post it in the topic the MOMENT it comes out
[02:50] <carlosqueso> NemesisD, it's not
[02:51] <dougb_> when a bug fix is "commited" and someone says "Release-noted, so milestoning for post-Feisty." does that mean that the update will be released in the next cycle of updates to come around?
[02:51] <NemesisD> wtf am i downloading then (suspiciously eyeballs docMuerto)
[02:51] <Amaranth> ANTDx2: That's my job :)
[02:51] <NemesisD> oh wait i forgot no internet slang
[02:51] <ANTDx2> ah well good.
[02:51] <NemesisD> what in tarnation*
[02:51] <Flankk> ANTDx2, yes, and post that promise in the topic.  People are whining because the topic is very unclear.  If you make it clear, people won't need to ask questions.
[02:51] <Crazytom> NemesisD, md5
[02:51] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: Windows Vista RC2
[02:51] <Amaranth> dougb_: that probably means it'll be a post-release update
[02:52] <Amaranth> dougb_: meaning a package you get from feisty-updates
[02:52] <taggie> So, I'm downloading the RC of the dvd, because it looks like only a few people have installed it, but it looks like nobody is using the torrent. Does anybody install from DVD?
[02:52] <Toma-> Amaranth: im burning the final candidate (for bug testing)... should i just wait?
[02:52] <Toma-> bah too late
[02:52] <NemesisD> i got it here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/
[02:52] <grayman> oh
[02:52] <grayman> that's not final
[02:52] <dougb_> that's no good.  It's a bug fix to get my sound card working properly with Ubuntu Feisty.  I'd think it would be a priority since it is effecting a lot of users
[02:52] <grayman> that's candidate
[02:52] <NemesisD> im like 70% done, what the heck have i done
[02:52] <NemesisD> whats the difference
[02:53] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ is the latest
[02:53] <GeekChick|> NemesisD, less bugs
[02:53] <ANTDx2> Just a question
[02:53] <NemesisD> i feel so betrayed
[02:53] <Toma-> NemesisD: there will probably be a couple little bug fixes RE: install process in the final
[02:53] <NemesisD> Toma-, so would you suggest I cancel this download?
[02:53] <ANTDx2> if most of the work now is just going into the installer, is it reasonably safe to do an apt-get dist-upgrade/gui equivalent?
[02:53] <Toma-> NemesisD: you said it was the DVD?
[02:54] <grayman> NemesisD, nah. expect mirors to be overloaded
[02:54] <NemesisD> yes, its feisty-dvd-i386.iso
[02:54] <RawSewage> everyone should use torrents
[02:54] <GeekChick|> ANTDx2, could not tell you, but I am running the GUI dist-upgrade from the alternate i386 feisty fawn cd.
[02:54] <Toma-> NemesisD: yeh use it, burn it, and report if it works or not
[02:54] <Amaranth> dougb_: it takes days to a week to make sure an update didn't break something for the release
[02:54] <jpsamara> any final torrent?
[02:54] <ANTDx2> I'm running it from Edgy
[02:54] <RawSewage> I dont think Final is out yet
[02:54] <NemesisD> Toma-, if i install it will it be easy to update to the actual release then?
[02:54] <Hairulfr> RawSewage: Yeah, but considering how long it takes (hours vs. 5 minutes) I'm not bothered. And yeah, if everyone did, no problem
[02:54] <Amaranth> dougb_: Do you want to explain to hundreds of thousands of people that feisty isn't out yet because you wanted sound? :)
[02:55] <dougb_> Amaranth, i believe it's been about a week since the bug fix was committed
[02:55] <NemesisD> i'm anxious about getting this but not if I'm going to be fresh installing a sub-par product
[02:55] <Toma-> NemesisD: apt-get update upgrade will do it
[02:55] <dougb_> Amaranth, yes, i'd be happy to complain for my cause :)
[02:55] <Amaranth> dougb_: kernel updates take longer :)
[02:55] <RawSewage> Millions
[02:55] <GeekChick|> dougb_, what audio card?
[02:55] <NemesisD> Toma-, promise? ;)
[02:55] <Peppery> Wait, Feisty is a DVD?
[02:55] <Toma-> NemesisD: im gonna do it!
[02:55] <RawSewage> no
[02:55] <grayman> no
[02:55] <grayman> you get a cd
[02:55] <RawSewage> it's 699 mb
[02:55] <dougb_> GeekChick|, it's a nvidia hda card, but i believe it is using the intel hda driver
[02:55] <jpsamara> there is a cd version and a dvd version also.. i prefer cd
[02:55] <NemesisD> ok why is this 3.97gb then
[02:56] <Peppery> "PC (Intel x86) install/live DVD"
[02:56] <NemesisD> just extra packages?
[02:56] <Amaranth> dougb_: saying intel hda is like saying pci
[02:56] <GeekChick|> dougb_, oh, im on a sigmatel 9200x or something. its an inspiron e1505.
[02:56] <RawSewage> yes
[02:56] <Amaranth> NemesisD: the DVD contains all of main
[02:56] <Hairulfr> I want a dvd as well, im tired of burning 500Mb ISOs on dvds
[02:56] <jpsamara> I recommend installing the CD and use apt-get for extra packets... it saves a lot of bandwidth...
[02:57] <dougb_> Amaranth, i was in here last weekend talking to some people for about two hours trying to figure it out, and we came to the conclusion that the intel HDA driver is a generic driver
[02:57] <NemesisD> ok and i'm kind of curious, is this windows migration thing only good for stupid stuff like bookmarks and the contents of my documents or is it possible to pick and choose what to bring over? this is going on a laptop
[02:57] <dougb_> and my card was using that module
[02:57] <Toma-> OK folks, testing FInal Candidate :) cyas.
[02:57] <Amaranth> dougb_: The people that make it say otherwise ;)
[02:57] <sotec_prod> jpsamara, saves feisty's bandwidth, but slaughters yours.
[02:57] <NemesisD> Toma-, you downloaded 4gb that fast?!
[02:57] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: Without knowing, because I didn't try, I'd say it's for stupid stuff
[02:58] <NemesisD> well thats a bummer :/
[02:58] <Amaranth> dougb_: i mean, it's one module for all the different types
[02:58] <Amaranth> dougb_: but there are a lot of different types
[02:58] <sotec_prod> although, i would rather just install as needed :) plus, using apt gets you the latest version vs. off of a cd, which could be versions behind
[02:58] <RAOF> dougb_: And each and every one has its own evil quirks.
[02:58] <dougb_> yeah i know.  but it's the only thing close to what i could find
[02:58] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: What I really want is a way to synchronize with outlook, I need all my old emails and schedulethings
[02:58] <Amaranth> RAOF: yeah, it's super evil
[02:59] <jpsamara> sotec_prod: not really. people don't use all of DVD... in my case, and I use more things as most people such as eclipse etc.... I down't see any big app thats not in the cd that people use..
[02:59] <Amaranth> some of the worst pieces of garbage that can be called sound chips hide under that intel hda label
[02:59] <NemesisD> Hairulfr, luckily for me this is for a laptop and there aren't too many critical things on there
[02:59] <dougb_> it's was detected as NVIDIA HDA for alsa, and conexant for OSS i believe
[02:59] <NemesisD> ok so just to be clear, this candidate i'm downloading only has minor differences in the installer?
[03:00] <sotec_prod> true, but then it the programs could be versions behind, unless the dvd iso from the site is updated with current packages as they come out...know what i mean?
[03:00] <dougb_> NemesisD, dont worry.  they are planning on using the RC from yesterday as the final ISO image anyways
[03:00] <GeekChick|> Oh, terrific, the feisty installer killed bluetooth. now i have to use the stupid touchpad.
[03:00] <NemesisD> okay
[03:00] <sotec_prod> so that you aren't getting v.3.4 when the newest version is v5.0
[03:00] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: Yeah, I want a new laptop, I have an old g3 500mhz, all I need it for is typewriting, seeing dvds and stealing WIFI. But no distro will play dvds properly. Only osx does that...
[03:00] <Hairulfr> Actually I have two
[03:00] <sotec_prod> feisty plays dvd's just fine
[03:01] <Zorlin> Ugh. Waiting is annoying.
[03:01] <Hairulfr> sotec_prod: Not on a 500Mhz G3 iBook
[03:01] <grayman> yeah dvds are ok
[03:01] <NemesisD> dougb_, so i should just install it and then run an apt-get update upgrade in a few days?
[03:01] <Zorlin> I might go play xbox for a bit. Lol.
[03:01] <grayman> NemesisD, erm no
[03:01] <sotec_prod> Hairulfr, unless you try playing Sony dvd's. I can't get them to work on Feisty, and i'm sure it's the same story for any OS
[03:01] <grayman> it is feisty
[03:01] <dougb_> NemesisD, yes, or just run it when you first install it
[03:02] <misfit_toy> sotec_prod, I read today sony is "going to fix that"...."sooon"
[03:02] <dougb_> NemesisD, there is no reason to do a fresh install once the official ISO is released
[03:02] <grayman> you don't need to do upgrade
[03:02] <sotec_prod> yea, right...
[03:02] <NemesisD> well i'm literally going to install it in about half an hour i think and i don't think final will be out then
[03:02] <Hairulfr> sotec_prod: Everything works fine on the desktop, no problems here, the problem with the Mac is DMA, I think...
[03:02] <sotec_prod> lol
[03:02] <sotec_prod> ah
[03:02] <sotec_prod> yea, i don't know much about the inner workings of mac's.
[03:02] <NemesisD> ok im confused now
[03:03] <dougb_> NemesisD, do you know how ubuntu works?
[03:03] <grayman> don't sony stuff it's stuff with a sh*t load of drm?
[03:03] <NemesisD> apparently not
[03:03] <sotec_prod> the only thing i know is that it's a unix-based OS similar to linux, but costs a fortune that i can't see spending when linux is so widely available and free, and in my personal opionion, can do anything mac's can...maybe more. for free...did i mention free?
[03:03] <Hairulfr> grayman: Yes, and all their new DVDs don't work. Lame
[03:03] <grayman> NemesisD, just install it and follow normal updates
[03:04] <NemesisD> rgr, thanks :)
[03:04] <GaiaX11> Feisty stable? When? Tomorrow? At which time?
[03:04] <misfit_toy> sotec_prod, it's free? ;p
[03:04] <jpsamara> lol
[03:04] <misfit_toy> GaiaX11, when it's ready
[03:04] <Hairulfr> sotec_prod: I don't care for OSX either... But I like the mac, it's nice and small and it looks ok.
[03:04] <dougb_> NemesisD, when you update your system, it will update it to the current state.  for a person that has used feisty since herd 4, they should still be able to do update tomorrow when the official is released and they will have the official release of feisty, they won't have to download the ISO again
[03:05] <grayman> yeah
[03:05] <Amaranth> I miss my mac mini :(
[03:05] <grayman> just if you want to have a burned feisty
[03:05] <dougb_> NemesisD, this saves you a lot of time from downloading an ISO and reinstalling everytime their is a major release, like how ubuntu 6.06 is actually 6.06.1 now
[03:05] <Amaranth> it was underpowered and didn't have nearly enough RAM for OS X but it was still and awesome piece of hardware
[03:05] <grayman> *stable feisty
[03:05] <NemesisD> ok that's what i was thinking, and they do or dont use apt-get update upgrade to achieve this?
[03:05] <sotec_prod> i like the idea of the minimac
[03:05] <Flankk> GaiaX11, Haven't you heard?  Canonical went under and we're all using Debian now.  It will be released in the next few years, "when it's ready."
[03:05] <dougb_> do use apt-get update
[03:05] <Hairulfr> Mostly I dislike mac because of the idiots buying the as a fashion accessory. I blame the iPod
[03:05] <NemesisD> kk
[03:06] <Hairulfr> mac/apple
[03:06] <dougb_> to be safe though, for a week or so use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:06] <sotec_prod> it's pretty powerful, small, and stocked, and fairly cheap, considering mac's greediness
[03:06] <dougb_> that sometimes updates some packages that a regular "update" would not install
[03:06] <snowpunk98> Anyone know if the ZImbra install for Ubuntu 6 would install fine on Feisty
[03:06] <taggie> the dvd RC torrent is slow as molasses. I downloaded the entire cd in the time it's taken me to get 20megs of the dvd.
[03:07] <NemesisD> another question, is there a point to giving /boot it's own partition? i've got a 20gb drive, i'm thinking 1gb for swap, but i don't know if i should make /boot it's own partition...
[03:07] <GaiaX11> Flankk: Give me the link for me to prove you answer
[03:07] <dougb_> i've never heard of the /boot folder...
[03:07] <dougb_> do you mean "/home"?
[03:07] <NemesisD> taggie, i've been getting the dvd RC at a steady 700-800KB/s
[03:07] <knix_> How are you suppose to look at files in rescue mode?
[03:08] <NemesisD> not on a torrent though
[03:08] <NemesisD> dougb_, you haven't?
[03:08] <vimalg2> NemesisD: I have the same question, but I think its a redundant idea to keep a separate /boot if you're planning on multi-booting several *nixes on the same disk
[03:08] <knix_>  I upgraded my dapper server to edgy, then to feisty, and now when it boots it hangs on "running local scripts etc/rc.local  and just hangs there.   I have no idea how to fix this.  any help is greatly appreciated
[03:08] <NemesisD> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/11/17/ubuntu_laptop.html?page=2 i waas looking at this
[03:08] <Flankk> GaiaX11, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000281.html
[03:08] <NemesisD> ohh
[03:08] <NemesisD> maybe thats why i've been doing it
[03:08] <knix_>  I upgraded my dapper server to edgy, then to feisty, and now when it boots it hangs on "running local scripts etc/rc.local  and just hangs there.   I have no idea how to fix this.  any help is greatly appreciated
[03:08] <sotec_prod> does anyone know about cloning Feisty to another harddrive?
[03:08] <NemesisD> i've been installing on multiboot systems but this is going to be just 1 OS
[03:08] <taggie> sotec_prod, what do you want to do? a full identical copy?
[03:09] <vimalg2> "/boot"  basically just stores the Stage2 of the Grub bootloader
[03:09] <sotec_prod> taggie, yes. I want this install on a larger harddrive, exactly as it is.
[03:09] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: If I could get photoshop working I'd scrap windows as well...
[03:09] <misfit_toy> knix, why would you upgrade a server to a beta OS?
[03:09] <knix_> misfit_toy, not really sure.
[03:09] <TheDebugger> Hairulfr: Use a vm for windows :/
[03:09] <TheDebugger> Hairulfr: Virtualbox is working nicely for me
[03:09] <NemesisD> Hairulfr, oh don't be confused, i'm still running windows/ubuntu dual boot on my desktop, but for this laptop, i have no reason for it to be windows
[03:10] <taggie> sotec_prod, boot from a live-cd, go to a command line, and use "dd if=/dev/<source drive> of=/dev/<destination drive>"
[03:10] <dougb_> NemesisD, i've never looked into the /boot folder too closely
[03:10] <sotec_prod> Hairulfr, if you are willing to pay a measly $32, Pixel 1.0 for linux is almost an exact photoshop clone. I plan on buying it.
[03:10] <dougb_> Hairulfr, you can run photoshop in Wine i believe.  i've heard of some good success stories
[03:10] <ANTDx2> Why not just run Gimp?
[03:10] <Hairulfr> TheDebugger: With Photoshop? I've never had much luck with virtualmachines
[03:10] <RawSewage> GIMP
[03:10] <fulat2k> how's virtualbox performance?
[03:11] <ANTDx2> 9 times out of 10, gimp native is better than wined photoshop
[03:11] <sotec_prod> taggie, yea, someone told me that....will that copy over the correct partitions/swap as well?
[03:11] <NemesisD> GIMP is not the answer
[03:11] <TheDebugger> fulat2k: imo, better than vmware
[03:11] <sotec_prod> or just data
[03:11] <ANTDx2> wine is nice, but  not perfect yet
[03:11] <dougb_> GIMP is always the answer :-P
[03:11] <vimalg2> dougb_: not PShop CS2 i believe
[03:11] <sotec_prod> gimp is pretty much junk
[03:11] <NemesisD> agree
[03:11] <dougb_> it's just as powerful as Photoshop with the right plugins
[03:11] <fulat2k> TheDebugger: omg.... that's awesome... hang on, which version of vmware are you referring to?  iirc, 5.5 had some speed boost
[03:11] <Hairulfr> sotec_prod: Really? Nice, I've had a hard time finding a replacement, and I really really really need photoshop
[03:11] <taggie> sotec_prod, that's a byte for byte copy. absolutely everything. the only thing you'll need to do after that, is expand the partition to use the new space.
[03:11] <RawSewage> you really really dont if you know how to use Gimp
[03:11] <Hairulfr> dougb_: Yeah, I've gotten it startede, splash screen and all, then it just chrashes
[03:11] <sotec_prod> taggie, excellent
[03:12] <sotec_prod> i'll try that then
[03:12] <NemesisD> i wish i could get ultraedit on ubuntu
[03:12] <sotec_prod> taggie, and then i can switch out the hard drives to the larger new one an boot as if nothing happened?
[03:12] <NanaQ> Hi all ,is there any program like sony vegas on ubuntu?
[03:12] <fulat2k> NemesisD: doesn't it run on wine?
[03:12] <RawSewage> GIMP is going to surpass PS CS soon
[03:12] <NemesisD> eh i'd feel silly running vm for a text editor
[03:12] <taggie> sotec_prod, yes, dd will do the boot blocks and all.
[03:12] <vimalg2> NemesisD:there's a few good IDE's like Eclipse that can do Ultraedit and make plutonium
[03:13] <dougb_> gedit works great for me
[03:13] <vimalg2> :)
[03:13] <RawSewage> as will Ubuntu pass Windows.   Because both have tons more developers than the handful that work at Adobe and Microsoft
[03:13] <dougb_> i use it for editing PHP and C source files all the time
[03:13] <NanaQ> ...
[03:13] <vimalg2> Eclipse is awfully memory intensive though for ppl on 256Mb or less
[03:13] <NemesisD> eclipse you say...
[03:13] <GeekChick|> I think gedit works just fine . . .
[03:13] <RawSewage> I like KWrite for coding php
[03:13] <NemesisD> i have 1gb ddr2 on this laptop
[03:13] <sotec_prod> awesome. taggie, why is that dd command so close to the format dd command? it's a bit scary...
[03:13] <knix__> NanaQ, there are so apps out there that can handle that
[03:13] <kde185> I'm a fan of emacs myself
[03:13] <ceil420> RawSewage, you know when the new GIMP is comin' out, then?
[03:14] <ceil420> cos i can't wait for Jitter :x
[03:14] <dougb_> RawSewage, im a gnome guy :-P
[03:14] <RawSewage> ceil420, no
[03:14] <carlosqueso> kde185, me too
[03:14] <ceil420> i think they have a long way to go before surpassing PS CS, but i do hope that they one day do so
[03:14] <vimalg2> dd is scary like  a stick of n.korean plutonium. You never know what its meant to be used for
[03:14] <taggie> sotec, just make damn sure you get if= and of= right. there is no going back if you accidentally flip source and destination.
[03:14] <sotec_prod> right.
[03:15] <dougb_> i remember my  first experience with red hat linux 7.  linux has gone a LONG way in general since then, and a very rapid succession
[03:15] <ceil420> on-the-fly brush resizing and scatter ('jitter' in the new GIMP, i've heard) would be a great start ^^
[03:15] <taggie> vimalg2, that's a great analogy :)
[03:15] <misfit_toy> gvim is nice as an editor, the power of vim in a gui
[03:15] <kde185> yes...I remember my first time with linux as well...memories
[03:20] <ceil420> yeah, so do i
[03:20] <ceil420> it was like 2 months ago
[03:20] <ceil420> :p
[03:20] <sotec_prod> dougb_, i hated linux in those days. I tried Debian woody, redhat 8, and couldn't understand nor stand it. Now, there's no going back, mwahaha
[03:20] <kde185> as did I
[03:20] <sotec_prod> i won't use windows any more
[03:20] <vimalg2> I  think my first distro was Redhat 5.2. Of course not havng internet access at that time really messed up the Linux experience
[03:20] <sotec_prod> unless it's a dualboot for games
[03:20] <sotec_prod> which i'm considering
[03:20] <ceil420> well, i had seen linux before 2 months ago, but that was just pokin' around in Mandrake 7 and SuSE 8.2
[03:20] <taggie> slackware from floppies sucked.
[03:20] <sotec_prod> now that i have 160gb hdd
[03:20] <kde185> I wanna try some KVM virtualization for games...apparently it works really well
[03:20] <ceil420> no more than 2hrs total spent on linux before this year
[03:20] <NemesisD> i mainly use windows for games and then other stuff because it takes too long to boot into windows to go back and forth all the time
[03:20] <taggie> i mean, it was cool at the time and everything but looking back.. floppy installs sucked.
[03:20] <vimalg2> How many folks here reccomend the Ubuntu DVD? Does it only contain useful(read as cool hacks) stuff
[03:20] <sotec_prod> Nem, yea. Feisty boots up in less than 3 minutes for me.
[03:20] <sotec_prod> Windows took at least 5 with all the programs i had installed
[03:20] <ceil420> Feisty boots up pretty quick for me, too
[03:20] <spikeb> ive never had a computer take three minutes to boot
[03:20] <NemesisD> same
[03:20] <spikeb> not even close
[03:20] <NemesisD> i don't know why that is though
[03:20] <alka_trasg> looks like feisty is all done
[03:20] <kde185> huh?
[03:20] <NanaQ> I just wanna edit my movie,but linux may suppory it poor.I mean freeware you know.wish you suggestion.
[03:20] <sotec_prod> Feisty is fantastic. I don't think i'll ever even try another distro
[03:20] <sotec_prod> i found my muse
[03:20] <vimalg2> sotec_prod: try Xubuntu and hear your machine say Go greased Lightning
[03:20] <taggie> since the latest updates, my boots are very quick on feisty
[03:20] <ceil420> lol sotec_prod
[03:20] <sotec_prod> i have vimalg2
[03:20] <GeekChick|> Feisty install finishing up... :-D
[03:20] <spikeb> xubuntu has to cheat at booting
[03:20] <ceil420> <=- on Xubuntu Feisty
[03:20] <ceil420> <3
[03:20] <spikeb> it's insane.
[03:20] <vimalg2> sotec_prod: ~understanding wink~
[03:20] <NemesisD> 97% done with the feisty dvd
[03:20] <Vessquire> You guys are not talking about the release right?
[03:20] <NemesisD> i can't get any friggn work done
[03:20] <sotec_prod> i liked xubuntu for my slow machine, but for this machine, I'm not scared to run a more fluffy distro like feisty
[03:20] <ceil420> i got it yesterday, Vessquire
[03:20] <ceil420> so, no
[03:20] <alka_trasg> I wonder is there is going to be anymore updates
[03:20] <Vessquire> one would hope not
[03:20] <taggie> NemesisD, when you're done downloading the dvd, seed the torrent, it needs all the help it can get.
[03:20] <sotec_prod> ok, i'm going for gold here. time to clone this beast! thanks for the help taggie
[03:20] <Zancat> Feisty is out now?
[03:20] <vimalg2> somebody_: right. I'm still on wierd esoteric hardware from Via. i'll have to stick to xUbuntu
[03:20] <ceil420> Zancat, not Final
[03:20] <Zancat> oh, poo
[03:20] <Vessquire> not the release zancat
[03:20] <taggie> sotec_prod, good luck, drop back in if you need help.
[03:20] <NemesisD> taggie, its not a torrent
[03:20] <sotec_prod> thanks taggie
[03:20] <GeekChick|> What would happen if you did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and you had gnome-desktop installed? ive installed xfce4 by itself before, but will the two desktops conflict if you install the "xubuntu-desktop"?
[03:20] <NanaQ> Ah,the ubuntu 7.04 was released? but the webpage is still"Tomorrow"
[03:20] <taggie> NemesisD, you can still seed the torrent if you've got the file.
[03:20] <AaronM> where will the torrent be when it comes out?
[03:20] <vimalg2> Did anyone try rsync'ing the 15Apr release of the Feisty ISO's
[03:20] <ceil420> NanaQ, Beta
[03:20] <carlosqueso> GeekChick...you'd have xfce, and some other progs, but it wouldn't conflict
[03:20] <vimalg2> the idea is that you can rsync again to get the difference bytes
[03:20] <carlosqueso> that's how I installed on the machine I"m using now
[03:21] <vimalg2> I think its a bunch of crap
[03:21] <NanaQ> Ok,I'll wait it.
[03:21] <NemesisD> taggie, ok where do i get the torrent file? and are we sure it's the exact same file?
[03:21] <taggie> GeekChick, from what I understand, it will just add Xfce to the session list.
[03:21] <Shootfast> its the 19th where I am, and ive been waiting all day :(
[03:21] <ceil420> NanaQ, that's what i said, but i couldn't wait :p
[03:21] <GeekChick|> carlosqueso, but xubuntu-desktop wont conflict with gnome-desktop, because i know xfce4 by itself doesnt conflict, but it has none of the xubuntu icons.
[03:21] <NemesisD> taggie, i got mine from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/
[03:21] <RawSewage> how would I find the name of a package like Eye of Gnome
[03:21] <taggie> NemesisD, the .torrent should be in the same place you got the .iso from.
[03:21] <ceil420> Shootfast, that's what you get for living in aus :p
[03:21] <ceil420> (kidding)
[03:21] <Shootfast> :S
[03:22] <NemesisD> ohh duhh
[03:22] <taggie> NemesisD, yep, from that directory: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/feisty-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[03:22] <RawSewage> how do you use CLI to find the name of a package using search terms
[03:22] <NemesisD> downthemall is performing an EPIC merge right now
[03:22] <spikeb> RawSewage, apt-cache search searchterms
[03:22] <RawSewage> spikeb, ty
[03:22] <spikeb> RawSewage, you bet :)
[03:22] <RawSewage> spikeb, that will come in handy
[03:22] <sahafeez> is the image for 7.04 server up anywhere yet?
[03:23] <spikeb> RawSewage, it is very very handy
[03:23] <spikeb> RawSewage, it's my favorite command :)
[03:23] <carlosqueso> GeekChick, I promise, it won't conflict...although it will change the usplash (booting screen) to xubuntu
[03:23] <spikeb> xubuntu's usplash is perty
[03:23] <carlosqueso> I even use gnome from time to time on this machine
[03:23] <ceil420> i like my 'running mouse' splash screen :p
[03:23] <carlosqueso> agreed
[03:23] <GeekChick|> carlosqueso, lol, that isnt that big of a deal
[03:23] <GeekChick|> as long as it isnt kubuntu splash
[03:23] <spikeb> heh
[03:23] <ceil420> lmao GeekChick|
[03:24] <carlosqueso> naw...it's a fun splash lol
[03:24] <Shootfast> KDE is awesom
[03:24] <NemesisD> ok something killed firefox :[
[03:24] <Shootfast> e
[03:24] <kde185> KDE isn't that bad
[03:24] <spikeb> kde is still better than explorer (the windows gui) :)
[03:24] <Shootfast> better than *shudders* gnome
[03:24] <Hairulfr> kde185: Eeeew :D
[03:24] <GeekChick|> Shootfast, KDE is 10x more complex and riddled with redundent option menu's than anything else ive ever seen.
[03:24] <GeekChick|> its so bloated its not funny
[03:24] <ceil420> lol spikeb
[03:24] <ceil420> true, that
[03:25] <Shootfast> better than having to be babysat through everything and not being able to set your own stuff
[03:25] <vimalg2> heh he
[03:25] <spikeb> kde 4 is on track to fix that GeekChick|,s hould be interesting
[03:25] <Shootfast> exactly :D
[03:25] <kde185> agreed
[03:25] <GeekChick|> its impossibly hard to configure kde with that stupid preferences area
[03:25] <carlosqueso> KDE kills my old slow computer
[03:25] <spikeb> i've been a gnome user for a long time, i just can't get used to anything else. thankfully, gnome is pretty good heh
[03:25] <misfit_toy> kde is more bloated than vista
[03:25] <Fylk> Hey guys, how do you get root access via the gui browser. i remember its a <Something or other> nautilus.
[03:25] <ceil420> i got Xfce because of my "slow" computer
[03:25] <GeekChick|> brb. restarting after ubuntu 7.04 update.
[03:25] <ceil420> (it's not *that* bad, but it ain't exactly new)
[03:25] <spikeb> Fylk, sudo
[03:25] <Shootfast> sudo nautilus
[03:26] <ceil420> hf GeekChick|  o/
[03:26] <kde185> though I do wonder what the hell the developers were thinking when they put a big ass K in every program name...
[03:26] <vimalg2> [kde]  the term is feature bloat, i believe
[03:26] <Fylk> Thanks guys.
[03:26] <spikeb> kde185, haha, i dont mind that bit of it actually, gives naming consistancy.
[03:26] <Shootfast> its KOOL :P
[03:26] <kde185> lol
[03:26] <misfit_toy> it's krud
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> repos are frozen for Feisty
[03:26] <vimalg2> kde185: hell if i had my way it should've been a bigass V
[03:26] <ceil420> misfit_toy, that "more bloated than vista" may have been a bit rough lol
[03:26] <vimalg2> maybe there's a story behind the K
[03:27] <ceil420> but i've never seen Vista, so i dno
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> No
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> eisty will be released when it is released.
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> Feisty
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> that is whats on the ubuntu+1 channel
[03:27] <Shootfast> vimalg2: it used to stand for kool desktop environment (coz c was for common desktop environment)
[03:27] <misfit_toy> ceil420, then again maybe not, I got around vista easier in a day on my wife's new laptop than the last time I looked at kde which was about 4 months ago
[03:27] <spikeb> this week is the timeframe. :)
[03:27] <VR_> this IS the ubuntu+1 channel
[03:27] <carlosqueso> vimalg2, it was first invented by King K. Rool with his stolen banana revenues
[03:27] <spikeb> carlosqueso, i knew there was a reason i didnt like it!
[03:28] <kde185> King K. Rool....what was that from?
[03:28] <ceil420> i just looked briefly at Kubuntu when a friend sent me all three (not edu-) versions in the mail
[03:28] <RawSewage> DKC
[03:28] <ceil420> i'd already looked at Xubuntu and fallen in love :p
[03:28] <carlosqueso> Donkey Kong Country
[03:28] <vimalg2> and GOD(Shuttleworth) sez : It is DONE. Go forth and burn and multiply!!!
[03:28] <kde185> oh yeah :P
[03:28] <RawSewage> YAY
[03:28] <Chetwin> !xscale
[03:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xscale - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <Fylk> Hey, is there any way to work with the .net framework in Feisty?
[03:28] <spikeb> Fylk, parts of it.
[03:28] <spikeb> Fylk, via mono
[03:28] <carlosqueso> vimalg2, not on website, got link?
[03:28] <iram> fylk: mono
[03:29] <antiNeo> Shouldn't Feisty Fawn have been released by now? it's 1:30 am on the 19 of April in GMT :(
[03:29] <Fylk> Hm.....
[03:29] <ceil420> lol
[03:29] <Fylk> Cool. I'll try that out.
[03:29] <antiNeo> you guys are an hour and 30 minutes late ;-P
[03:29] <ceil420> antiNeo, wait for it to be the 19th in Hawaii, then complain
[03:29] <vimalg2> carlosqueso: nah... just adlibbing
[03:29] <RawSewage> vimalg2, where did you get that from
[03:29] <vimalg2> carlosqueso:I'm waiting too
[03:29] <spikeb> Fylk, mono isn't just a MS.NET clone though, it also offers it's own stack of tech, like gtk# :)
[03:30] <carlosqueso> ah....don't play with our emotions like that
[03:30] <TheCreationist> I just did a fresh install of Feisty and my system now takes a good 3 minutes to boot.  When booting in recovery mode, it hangs with the following errors:  1) "qc timeout"  2) "failed to [something]  xfermod"  and 3) "Unable to recover some devices"    Any ideas?
[03:30] <Fylk> Interesting.
[03:30] <RawSewage> vimalg2, did you make that up
[03:30] <jdrake> TheCreationist: You tried to evolve it, and it failed.
[03:30] <vimalg2> whoa... It was  a joke.
[03:30] <Hairulfr> jdrake: LOL
[03:31] <ceil420> lol jdrake
[03:31] <TheCreationist> jdrake: What do you mean I tried to evolve it?
[03:31] <TheCreationist> ah
[03:31] <ceil420> :p
[03:31] <TheCreationist> You're being witty
[03:31] <kde185> lol
[03:31] <jdrake> TheCreationist: You figured me out.
[03:31] <GeekChick|> Im running feisty fawn perfectly.
[03:31] <TheCreationist> So... does anyone have any REAL ideas?
[03:31] <Shootfast> same
[03:31] <kde185> rm -Rf
[03:31] <ceil420> GeekChick|, i only had one issue, which was my fault anyway :p
[03:31] <ceil420> and i'm a noob
[03:31] <Shootfast> rm -rf /
[03:32] <TheCreationist> ugh... and this is the best Ubuntu communty's got to offer?
[03:32] <GeekChick|> TheCreationist, yes, unless you are TheEvolutionist.
[03:32] <Stoffer> would changing the driver for my wireless card effect the signal strength?
[03:32] <ceil420> lol
[03:33] <taggie> TheCreationist, are you using the RC?
[03:33] <GeekChick|> Stoffer, yes.
[03:33] <TheCreationist> taggie: I'm using the daily build
[03:34] <vimalg2> Stoffer: not if you stick a pringles can to the end of it just to make sure you don't...
[03:34] <Fylk> Question, we're still on schedule for release for tomorrow?
[03:34] <taggie> TheCreationist: did it run properly from the CD on your system? did the install finish completely? and does it completely hang and never return or what?
[03:34] <GeekChick|> I miss that cute little mouse loading screen
[03:34] <Stoffer> vimalg2, ?
[03:34] <ceil420> that's the loading screen i got ^^
[03:34] <TheCreationist> taggie: The install went just as expected, no problems until the first reboot.  It doesn't hang indefinitely, but when running in recovery mode, it pauses on these errors and then retries 3 times before continuing.
[03:35] <Stoffer> how do I change the driver?
[03:35] <vimalg2> Stoffer: google for pringles and wifi to get a better idea
[03:35] <GeekChick|> Hah, i hit my first issue. apt-get only knows the CD exists.
[03:35] <Fylk> TheCreationist, what errors?
[03:35] <vimalg2> Stoffer: use NDISwrapper if in serious trouble
[03:35] <Fylk> Also, what are the mechine's specs.
[03:35] <taggie> TheCreationist: when finished booting, can you paste the output from dmesg?
[03:35] <taggie> !paste
[03:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:36] <Stoffer> vimalg2, ic.  The problem is that in windows I get 100%, but in ubuntu it's 50%
[03:36] <jdrake> Does anyone know of good reasons to use a particular file system on a desktop system? Readability in Windows is not an issue. Ext3 has an annoying disk check.
[03:36] <Hairulfr> TheCreationist: Some device that doesn't work properly, that's all I can help you with unfortunately
[03:36] <TheCreationist> Fylk: 1) "qc timed out"  2) "Failed to [something]  xfermod"  and 3) "Unable to recover some devices"
[03:36] <Fylk> Thanks Taggie, I was just about to say that.
[03:36] <NanaQ> anybody installed i686 kernel parkage?I installed it ,but doesn't know it work or not.
[03:36] <Fylk> .......My gut telss me the last two are driver issues.
[03:36] <GeekChick|> There we go.
[03:36] <VirhYl4> Is there a #ubuntu-wine somewhere?
[03:36] <vimalg2> Room: anyone who has better experiences with wifi?
[03:36] <Shootfast> join /#wine
[03:37] <GeekChick|> vimalg2, what card?
[03:37] <taggie> NanaQ: check the output from "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[03:37] <GeekChick|> vimalg2, I have Intel Proset 3945 ABG
[03:37] <vimalg2> jdrake: use XFS for roaring performance, like a ferrari
[03:37] <VirhYl4> you meant #winehq
[03:37] <Shootfast> VirhYl4: guess not :P
[03:37] <VirhYl4> :)
[03:37] <NanaQ> ok taggie,i'll try it.
[03:37] <vimalg2> jdrake: also crashed like a ford
[03:37] <Chetwin> !pocketpc
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pocketpc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <Chetwin> !windowsmobile
[03:38] <jdrake> vimalg2: Telling me not to use xfs?
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windowsmobile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <taggie> NanaQ: sorry, brainfart, check "uname -a" that should tell you the running kernel, the /proc/cpuinfo should list the processors and info about them as far as the kernel is concerned.
[03:38] <taggie> Fylk, not a problem :)
[03:38] <VirhYl4> I was looking for specific wine-ubuntu.... thanks though: http://swik.net/Ubuntu/Planet+Ubuntu/Stephan+Hermann%3A+News+%26+Future+Ideas/33as
[03:38] <vimalg2> GeekChick|: its for Stoffer
[03:39] <GeekChick|> vimalg2, dont know what card he/she has.
[03:39] <vimalg2> jdrake: Use XFS if you have high bandwidth applicationslike video-editing/hosting
[03:39] <GeekChick|> brb. testing xubuntu-desktop
[03:39] <TheCreationist> taggie, fylk:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16336/
[03:39] <vimalg2> jdrake: I'm planning to switch my mp3 jukebox to an XFS volume
[03:39] <taggie> TheCreationist, is that the whole output from dmesg?
[03:40] <vimalg2> jdrake: even IBM developerwoks concedes that XFS rocks the pants off ext3
[03:40] <TheCreationist> taggie: No.  Just the part with the errors... should I do the whole thing?
[03:40] <adultswim> I understand from the topic that we dont have an "exact" release date, but i assume that means its been pushed back again... anyone have any good ideas as to *about* when that will be?
[03:40] <jdrake> vimalg2: I do not keep a big media collection. It is basically some programming, somewhat playing music occasionally, odd video (one a week or so). Pretty much regular desktop.
[03:40] <taggie> TheCreationist: yeah, i just want to make sure i've got the whole picture
[03:40] <vimalg2> ReiserFS is having a bad time of late
[03:40] <RAOF> jdrake: EXT3 is pretty good for that.  EXT3 is pretty good, periond.
[03:40] <Hohlraum> TheCreationist: looks like you're running -14 kernel.  thats the exact error i got.
[03:40] <vimalg2> jdrake: for reliabilty and sanity of mind use journalled ext3. Its a very safe bet
[03:41] <jdrake> I definitely will not ever use reiser again.
[03:41] <RAOF> jdrake: You can disable the "check every 30 mounts" thing if you like.
[03:41] <TheCreationist> taggie: Okay, I updated it.
[03:41] <taggie> hohlraum, if he's using daily build, it should be the 15 kernel
[03:41] <jdrake> I might do that then.
[03:41] <TheCreationist> taggie: It is the -15
[03:41] <taggie> Good
[03:42] <Flankk> adultswim, In an hour.
[03:42] <jdrake> Is there anything I can do to improve its speed at checking itself, by changing options to mke2fs?
[03:42] <taggie> TheCreationist, I don't see the whole thing, still the same
[03:42] <chowmeined> Is thunderbird 2.0 going to be in feisty?
[03:42] <spikeb> no
[03:42] <RAOF> jdrake: I don't think so
[03:42] <TheCreationist> taggie: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16337/
[03:42] <TheCreationist> ah... it creats a new url for it... sorry
[03:43] <taggie> TheCreationist: okay, just to sound professional and whatnot: "please hold while i process your request"
[03:43] <TheCreationist> haha... right
[03:43] <Hohlraum> TheCreationist: so its not booting with -15?
[03:43] <adultswim> flankk, lol.... then the topic is kinda misleading cuz it makes it sound like it was pushed back with "its relaesed when its released" :P  thanks though :)
[03:44] <TheCreationist> Hohlraum: It is booting with -15... just takes a LONG time.
[03:44] <Flankk> adultswim, yes, it is misleading.
[03:44] <absum> anyone got nvidia driver working?? they worked when i ran from livecd but now that ive installed feisty it just dont work
[03:44] <vimalg2> OFFTOPIC: anyone here used scribd.com for ebooks?
[03:45] <Hohlraum> TheCreationist: the issue with -14 was initrd wasn't being rebuilt if i heard correctly. looks to me like carry over.  can you boot into -13 and do a dist-upgrade?
[03:45] <TheCreationist> hmm... I can't find the codec installing app in Feisty... what's it called?
[03:45] <dougb_> TheCreationist, just try to play a media file
[03:45] <dougb_> it will ask you to install it
[03:45] <TheCreationist> dougb_: I did...
[03:45] <adultswim> absum, not the nvidia drivers, but with my ATI drivers, it worked with the livecd, but not after installing... i was able to fix it by lowering the depth to 16b from 24b in the xorg.conf file... no idea if thats your problem or not though.
[03:46] <dougb_> then it should play
[03:46] <TheCreationist> dougb_: I tried both Amarok and Kaffeine... Amarok offered to install support, but when I said yes, nothing happened.
[03:46] <Hohlraum> TheCreationist: there isn't one just try to play a file that isn't supported
[03:46] <TheCreationist> Kaffeine just didn't offer at all.
[03:46] <absum> adultswim, well ill just try that one then
[03:46] <dougb_> its the gstreamer
[03:46] <dougb_> it'll be tagged "dirty" or something
[03:46] <adultswim> what do i need to install to be able to play DVDs?
[03:46] <vafada> adultswim, VLC?
[03:47] <dougb_> adultswim, the same thing TheCreationist is looking for
[03:47] <TheCreationist> What's with the screenshots of the "NEW" codec installation program?  I can't find that.
[03:47] <Hohlraum> adultswim: a patent license ;)
[03:47] <kde185> do a quick google search for decoding dvd css
[03:47] <RAOF> !medibuntu
[03:47] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[03:47] <kde185> there are plenty of tutorials
[03:48] <DarkMageZ> TheCreationist, try and open a music file with rhythmbox or totem which it doesn't have the codec for :)
[03:48] <taggie> TheCreationist, are you absolutely certain your ATA disks are configured correctly? if so, you may need to submit a bug report, if you do, be sure to include the model numbers of the offending devices.
[03:48] <hossosor> i'm going to assume this question has been asked to exhaustion, but when will official Feisty be released? some say tomorrow, some say tonight, some say next week.....i'm confuzed
[03:48] <adultswim> RAOF, thanks
[03:48] <dougb_> hossosor, tomorrow
[03:48] <hossosor> doubg_: thanks
[03:48] <TheCreationist> taggie: Absolutely certain?  No.  But they've worked in Windows and Edgy without a problem.
[03:48] <vafada> its already april 19 in Asia!
[03:48] <Hohlraum> taggie: dude it sounds like carry over from the -14 issue .. he is getting the EXACT same problem that brought about the -15 release
[03:48] <Hairulfr> adultswim: www.ubuntuguide.org ctrl + f for "multimedia" / "dvd" and follow the guide. Should work fine for feisty
[03:48] <billy> why won't sbackup allow me any other option than manual backup only?
[03:48] <Fylk> Hey guys, a little help?
[03:48] <Fylk> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49026963/?qo=1&q=in%3Acustomization%2Ficons%2Fos%2Fnix+sort%3Atime+xchat
[03:48] <dougb_> vafada, well it's tomorrow for you too :-P
[03:48] <Fylk> Where are the directories this person talks about?
[03:49] <taggie> Hohlraum, yeah, but that should definitely go into a bug report
[03:49] <TheCreationist> DarkMageZ: And that doesn't help.  I get no prompt to install the codecs.
[03:49] <jdrake> I love the program badblocks
[03:49] <outofhere> when 7.04 will he released (tomorrow, but what hours of the day) ??
[03:49] <kde185> 3 hours ago ;)
[03:49] <DarkMageZ> TheCreationist, it should prompt you now...
[03:49] <Hairulfr> outofhere: When it works, I guess
[03:49] <AForgue> Any tips for getting sound working in Feisty?
[03:49] <dougb_> outofhere, within 24 hours of tomorrow
[03:49] <outofhere> Hairulfr: lol, good answer :D
[03:50] <vafada> its 11 AM in australia.. shouldi contact my australian friends? :)
[03:50] <Hairulfr> outofhere: :P
[03:50] <dougb_> AForgue, im having the same problem as you, it should be fixed in the next kernel update
[03:50] <outofhere> dougb_: thaks dougb_
[03:50] <AForgue> dougb_: I've had sound working before, but all of a sudden it has stopped working
[03:50] <Flankk> dougb_, don't you mean within 23 hours from now?
[03:51] <jdrake> May the noodly appendage of the flying spaghetti monster touch the cd as it spins in the drive.
[03:51] <kde185> isn't it 2:50 GMT right now?
[03:51] <taggie> TheCreationist: I'm fairly certain you're experiencing a device specific problem, and it definitely should have a report made. What devices do you have in there?
[03:51] <Flankk> jdrake, rAmen.
[03:51] <dougb_> AForgue, it broke for me around 2.6.20-13
[03:51] <hossosor> does anyone know if ubuntu 7.04 will run linuxmce? i asked in their channel with no luck.
[03:51] <AForgue> SB Audigy
[03:51] <TheCreationist> taggie: I don't remember... it's a seagate drive
[03:51] <ANTDx2> rAmen!
[03:51] <kde185> Fylk: which directories?
[03:52] <concept10> hossosor, maybe because you can goto the site and check
[03:52] <Fylk> Check the link.
[03:52] <TheCreationist> Does anyone know what the actual program is to install codecs??
[03:52] <dougb_> hossosor, linuxmce is a distro that impliments mythTV
[03:52] <hossosor> concept10: i found no answer.  as of today, it only runs on 6.10. as of "tomorrow", it could run on 7.04.  hence the question
[03:53] <taggie> TheCreationist: sorry, i don't think anything I can do for you will help. it's most likely going to need a kernel patch if it's a weird device issue, and if Hohlraum is correct, it's going to need an update built anyway.
[03:53] <RAOF> TheCreationist: Synaptic/Add-Remove/apt-get/aptitude
[03:53] <dougb_> TheCreationist, synaptics will let you install anything
[03:53] <hossosor> dougb_: thanks
[03:53] <TheCreationist> RAOF: I meant the new gizmo that was supposed to be included with Feisty.
[03:54] <TheCreationist> of course, I don't have sound now either, for some reason.
[03:54] <Hairulfr> TheCreationist: You mean the automatic codec installer?
[03:54] <TheCreationist> Hairulfr: Yes.
[03:54] <RAOF> TheCreationist: It's not a program, as far as I'm aware.  You just try to play a file with gstreamer, and it suggests the appropriate gstramer plugin
[03:54] <TheCreationist> ...maybe it isn't included with Kubuntu?
[03:54] <Hairulfr> TheCreationist: I haven't found it in beta, so...
[03:54] <TheCreationist> RAOF: I tried that... it doesn't offer it.
[03:55] <dougb_> TheCreationist, i believe it isnt implimented as well as it is in ubuntu
[03:55] <TheCreationist> ...was supposedly also capable of installing Flash 9 plugin... not seeing that either.
[03:55] <RAOF> TheCreationist: You need to be using a Gstreamer application.  And I don't think KDE apps use GST very much.
[03:55] <dougb_> TheCreationist, on feisty 7.04, i've been able to install flash 9 through firefox itself
[03:55] <Hairulfr> TheCreationist: Are you thinking of EasyUbuntu?
[03:55] <DarkMageZ> hossosor, currently only 6.10 is supported. you could attempt to use the 6.10 package on feisty, but there is a good chance of running into issues.
[03:55] <Fylk> Where would the directory that includes /xchat-systray be?
[03:56] <AForgue> How should I go about setting my PCI card as the default ALSA device (right now it is setting my motherboard as the default)
[03:56] <RAOF> AForgue: Check out asoundconf
[03:57] <Hohlraum> AForgue: also you bios might support disabling onboard sound which would have the same affect should you not use it
[03:57] <AForgue> I see
[03:57] <AForgue> Ok, I will give it a shot, thanks
[03:57] <Fylk> What directory is xchat installed into with the default install?
[03:58] <Hohlraum> Fylk: dpkg -L xchat
[03:58] <kde185> ok this might be a stupid question, but will the new codec installer work for kubuntu and will it install libdvdcss?
[03:59] <spikeb> kde185, no to the last part
[03:59] <RAOF> kde185: No it won't install libdvdcss, because it's not a codec :)
[03:59] <DarkMageZ> kde185, it is only for gstreamer based stuff. most kde apps aren't gstreamer based (yet).
[03:59] <Fylk> Hohlraum, will that open the directory it is installed in?
[04:00] <Hohlraum> Fylk: it'll show you were all the files were installed for that package
[04:00] <Fylk> Nice.
[04:00] <RAOF> Fylk: You have a fundamental misunderstanding.  There *is* no directory that xchat is "installed" in.
[04:00] <AForgue> Woo hoo - asound worked! Thanks
[04:00] <Fylk> Ah, ok. would it help you guys to know what I'm trying to do?
[04:00] <RAOF> Fylk: The binary is going to be in /usr/bin, the config will be in /etc & ~/.xchat, any libraries will be in /usr/lib, and a bunch of other places
[04:01] <spenc3> got a question on gstreamer.. how come my xvid movies are choppy??
[04:01] <Hohlraum> Fylk: unix type operating systems tend to distribute the files for a given software across multiple directories so that similar files are in similar locations across apps
[04:01] <carlosqueso> Fylk...quite possibly
[04:01] <Fylk> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49026963/?qo=1&q=in%3Acustomization%2Ficons%2Fos%2Fnix+sort%3Atime+xchat
[04:01] <Fylk> Installing that jazz.
[04:01] <|NewUser|> is there any p2p client except emule ?
[04:01] <RAOF> Bittorrent.
[04:01] <kde185> Frostwire
[04:01] <spikeb> sweet sweet bittorrent
[04:01] <carlosqueso> !info gtk-gnutella | |NewUser|
[04:02] <ubotu> |newuser|: gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2205 kB, installed size 7548 kB
[04:02] <|NewUser|> RAOF, i think bittorrent port is blocked on my network.
[04:02] <kde185> I'm sorry but gtk-gnutella is a clunky POS
[04:02] <Angeluz> Hopefully there will a be a stable (!!!) LinuxDC++-Client sometime...
[04:02] <carlosqueso> eh...works for me
[04:03] <RAOF> |NewUser|: Which suggests that they don't want you using P2P software of any kind, right :)
[04:03] <kde185> yeah it works I guess...but it just seems very clunky
[04:03] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, linuxdc++ is fairly stable
[04:04] <|NewUser|> RAOF, umm i think u are right.
[04:04] <spikeb> it has an abomination of a user interface, kde185 heh
[04:04] <Angeluz> Then I have the wrong version.
[04:04] <spikeb> should fit right in with kde applications, actually ;)
[04:04] <Angeluz> The one from the repos sucks on my box. :-(
[04:04] <sdfasdfawef> will the beta automatically update itself to the final release?
[04:04] <RAOF> YEs.
[04:04] <sdfasdfawef> snazzy
[04:05] <beg1689> hi
[04:05] <mphill> hi
[04:05] <Fylk> I'm still doing a clean in stall sdfasdawef.
[04:05] <beg1689> im having a problem with my sound i installed LAMP, and now only root can use audio
[04:05] <TheCreationist> Okay, could someone help me get my sound working in Feisty now?
[04:05] <beg1689> lol
[04:05] <mphill> beg1689, simple, add the user to the audio group
[04:06] <beg1689> does that count as a bug?
[04:06] <beg1689> i was in the group before..
[04:06] <mphill> maybe?
[04:06] <beg1689> i mean, the sound worked before i set up the server
[04:07] <beg1689> wow
[04:07] <TheCreationist> hehe, my sound doesn't work in Feisty, and I can't even change to administrator mode in User Management
[04:07] <beg1689> thats interesting
[04:07] <mphill> type id username
[04:07] <Crazytom> does xubuntu feisty come out at the same time as reg ubuntu?
[04:07] <beg1689> you know the options under "User Privelges"?
[04:07] <mphill> beg1689, yes
[04:07] <beg1689> after installing apache they are ALL unchecked
[04:07] <spenc3> anyone know if http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+X-Fi.&chip=UNKNOWN&module=emu10k1#links works for x-fi
[04:07] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, there's an actual linuxdc++ client. what were you using?
[04:08] <Angeluz> linuxdc++ :)
[04:08] <Angeluz> As I wrote.
[04:08] <beg1689> does "Administer the system" mean enable sudo for that user?
[04:08] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, which repository did you get that from :s
[04:08] <mphill> spenc3, fuck creative, mine is super flakey!  they are promising drivers sometime in the future
[04:08] <TheCreationist> beg1689: Yes.
[04:08] <Angeluz> One from the german ubuntuusers.de forums.
[04:09] <spenc3> mphill: well, so sound finally comes out from the card??!??!
[04:09] <|NewUser|> umm Frostwire is not in any repos?
[04:09] <beg1689> awesome
[04:09] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, how old was that package?
[04:09] <Crazytom> i just had to order a new soundcard because my brandnew xfi card won't work with linux
[04:09] <Angeluz> DarkMageZ: Don't know, to be honest. :-/
[04:09] <mphill> spenc3, not really, sort of, i get this on off beep often times, i already contacted creative about the issue.  they are worthless....
[04:09] <mphill> I am using my mobo audio now :(
[04:10] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, it was fairly bad awhile ago. but it has seriously improved recently.
[04:10] <Fylk> How do I change the notification area icons for xchat?
[04:10] <Angeluz> Where did you get yours from?
[04:10] <Fylk> assuming I have icons to replace them.
[04:10] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, i built mine from source
[04:11] <spenc3> mphill: well, creative won't help i guess, ppl reverse engineer their proud proprietary card.. they are not gonna help
[04:11] <Angeluz> Okay...
[04:11] <|NewUser|> RAOF, is there any download accelerator there? which one resume or download a file more then 1 connection. same time? like I download manager or download accelerator?
[04:11] <Angeluz> Hmmm... I should take a look at it.
[04:12] <mphill> spenc3, have you seen how pathetic http://opensource.creative.com/ is, its like made with MS frontpage from 1998
[04:12] <RAOF> !info d4x | |NewUser|
[04:12] <ubotu> |newuser|: d4x: graphical download manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.7.1-4 (feisty), package size 721 kB, installed size 2048 kB
[04:12] <|NewUser|> RAOF, thankyou :)
[04:13] <spenc3> mphill.. i thought someone hacked the site and put that in for the longest time.. LOL..
[04:13] <Fylk> ARG! Where in the seven hell is the directory that contains xchat-systray?
[04:13] <kde185> Fylk: slocate xchat-systray
[04:14] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, feisty or edgy? x86 or x64?
[04:14] <Angeluz> Feisty, x86.
[04:14] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, gimme a sec
[04:14] <Fylk> kde185, didn't return anything.
[04:14] <Angeluz> Sure.
[04:15] <kde185> try sudo updatedb then try it
[04:15] <Fylk> Was that to me KDe?
[04:15] <kde185> yeah
[04:16] <Fylk> Got it. I'm trying to install these icons: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49026963/?qo=1&q=in%3Acustomization%2Ficons%2Fos%2Fnix+sort%3Atime+xchat
[04:25] <knix> How does Ubuntu manage to change the screen res/refresh while X is running?
[04:25] <OAMOAM> /heop
[04:27] <RAOF> knix: With the XRandR extension.
[04:27] <knix> Somehow it's not allowing me to select 60Hz, and even xrandr tells meit's not available :'(
[04:27] <knix> It goes on and off ... like if I keep HUPing gdm, it'll eventually get 60
[04:28] <spenc3> Still kinda wish this version is called flavor flav instead....................................
[04:28] <Angeluz> Lesbian Licker... ;)
[04:31] <rohan> hi. will a RC iso be released, before final ?
[04:32] <Hairulfr> rohan: RC has been skipped,
[04:32] <rohan> cool
[04:32] <Hairulfr> rohan: Straight to final, in x hours
[04:32] <LordLimecat> feisty beta+update=final, correct?
[04:32] <LordLimecat> no need to reinstall?
[04:32] <spikeb> yehah
[04:32] <rohan> ah, so release date has not been pushed back !
[04:32] <rohan> LordLimecat: yes
[04:32] <spikeb> erm. yeah.
[04:32] <absum> hey, someone who knows how to get decoration with compiz?
[04:32] <LordLimecat> woot
[04:32] <dcushman> will beta be able to be apt upgraded to final?
[04:32] <rohan> absum: it's installed by default in ubuntu 7.04
[04:33] <taggie> rohan, check the topic, there's a final candidate
[04:33] <LordLimecat> so when does the invasion of #ubuntu begin?  when do we strike?
[04:33] <absum> rohan, yeah, and i get no decoration
[04:33] <rohan> dcushman: yes, 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[04:33] <dcushman> k, thanks
[04:33] <M4ri00sh> :))
[04:33] <rohan> taggie: true, but not an "official" one, which has an entry on the news page
[04:33] <M4ri00sh> absum:  :P
[04:33] <LordLimecat> rohan: do those commands do anything that you dont get thru auto-updates?
[04:34] <dcushman> was the dist-upgrade that came out last week a "RC" test?
[04:34] <|PiP|> does avahi still use network-manager?
[04:34] <consty> Can't wait for Feisty's release.  I'm buying a system76 just for the occasion!
[04:35] <|PiP|> i upgraded to 7.04, and still see network-manager as the wireless configuration tool
[04:35] <spikeb> concept10, cool
[04:35] <Hairulfr> The RC was cancelled, as far as I remember... It's just been upgrades building the beta closer to a release
[04:35] <dcushman> nvm, I was confused. I had a dist-upgrade on my 6.04... (( too many things going on ))
[04:35] <dcushman> consty: system76?
[04:35] <rohan> LordLimecat: not much, though upgrade and dist-upgrade might have few diferences
[04:36] <LordLimecat> i see
[04:36] <kde185> dcushman: they build linux computers
[04:36] <consty> dcushman: http://www.system76.com
[04:36] <dcushman> ah
[04:36] <T0uCH> will i am going to be able to install feisty with kubuntu??
[04:36] <richw> im on Feisty beta... I will just get updates as normal and Feisty stable (from cd) is same thing right?
[04:36] <carlosqueso> richw yup!
[04:37] <rohan> richw: yes
[04:37] <LordLimecat> 354 updates XD
[04:37] <Skyhook> !topic
[04:37] <Bourne> hi, are the ISO images of Feisty Fawn released to the mirrors?
[04:37] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[04:37] <richw> :-)
[04:37] <RawSewage> released
[04:37] <rohan> Bourne: not yet
[04:38] <rohan> Bourne: not for public downloading anyway
[04:38] <Bourne> rohan: but will they be, since it's like 30 minutes to the 19th april
[04:38] <DogBoy> heh
[04:38] <kde185> it's been the 19th for a few hours
[04:38] <rohan> Bourne: yes, but 19th april is not a fixed dadate
[04:38] <rohan> *date
[04:38] <rohan> and yes, it's been 19th here for a long time too
[04:38] <Bourne> the site says "tomorrow"
[04:39] <kde185> it's more of an estimate
[04:39] <rohan> Bourne: which site ?
[04:39] <kde185> ubuntu.com
[04:39] <consty> just cross your fingers
[04:39] <Bourne> which is actually thirty minutes to "tomorrow", which is pratically "today"
[04:39] <consty> that it'll be soon
[04:39] <LordLimecat> wait a tic,,,,,say i accept the 354 updates....if one component is updated AS theyre being downloaded, will the new-new version be downloaded?
[04:39] <protocol1> havent got any updates for the past few days for some reason......is ti on hold till tommorrow or something?
[04:39] <Bourne> ubuntu.com says "tomorrow"
[04:40] <LordLimecat> ubuntu is in africa
[04:40] <spikeb> i think they use UTC
[04:40] <LordLimecat> that may change things?'
[04:40] <DogBoy> sometimes tomorrow is 30 minute away
[04:40] <LordLimecat> (i think)
[04:40] <Bourne> so it should be 19th there already1
[04:40] <kski> it won't be the 19th in oregon for a few hours yet
[04:40] <PWill> it is 2:20 am UTC i believe
[04:40] <Hairulfr> Night all... can't wait anymore now, off to bed (0439 in the morning), happy waiting and enjoy
[04:40] <Fylk> Hey, any one use the systray addon for xchat?
[04:40] <spikeb> and they never promised a midnight release :)
[04:40] <spikeb> Fylk, i cant find a use for it
[04:40] <PWill> Fylk: i do
[04:40] <LordLimecat> spikeb: we as internet users have the right to expect it
[04:40] <kde185> use GAIM
[04:40] <Bourne> i see that but stuff like that you know ISOs are released to the mirrors way before the actual party release
[04:40] <spikeb> LordLimecat, especially if we're high on caffeine
[04:40] <PWill> kde185: for IRC?!
[04:40] <protocol1> its 6:40PM AK time here
[04:40] <LordLimecat> indeed
[04:40] <jugo> What time does feisty come out?
[04:40] <Fylk> Pwill: Can you see it? I'm not getting any icons. Just a blank spot.
[04:40] <defendguin> might thunderbird 2.0 make into feisty repos?
[04:40] <spikeb> defendguin, not a chance.
[04:40] <protocol1> so I have less than 6 hours for the update
[04:40] <megafauna> what jugo said
[04:40] <spikeb> it JUST came out
[04:40] <PWill> Fylk: disable it and the re-enable it
[04:40] <LordLimecat> i say @ midnight everyone in here piles into #ubuntu
[04:40] <protocol1> if nott sooner
[04:40] <kde185> PWill: it works and it has a system trey
[04:41] <spikeb> (thunderbird)
[04:41] <Fylk> Got it.
[04:41] <richw> What you guys like better, Beryl or Compiz?
[04:41] <defendguin> spikeb: why is that?
[04:41] <jugo> Anyone hve a link?
[04:41] <PWill> Beryl
[04:41] <TheDebugger> Beryl
[04:41] <LordLimecat> richw: theyve merged o.0
[04:41] <CientificoLoco> hello, at what hour will be released the 704 tomorrow?
[04:41] <defendguin> Compiz
[04:41] <kde185> Compiz is more stable
[04:41] <igorgue> Compiz
[04:41] <spikeb> defendguin, feisty's repos have been frozen in terms of new applications for a while now, and Tbird 2 just came out earlier today
[04:41] <PWill> Final ISO's are available, release is not officially announced
[04:41] <Hairulfr> richw: Beryl
[04:41] <jugo> What time does feisty come out?
[04:41] <richw> LordLimecat: Really? didnt know that
[04:41] <megafauna> pls put THE HOUR into the channel topic
[04:41] <kde185> but not as pretty
[04:41] <Bourne> I really need a good 64mb/128mb AGP 4x video card to run linux, with my current card, its useless
[04:41] <spikeb> defendguin, might make it into -backports eventually though
[04:41] <igorgue> Beryl is just a stupid fork
[04:41] <defendguin> why go down the beryl road if its folding into compiz?
[04:41] <LordLimecat> richw: im pretty sure they have
[04:41] <jugo> What time does feisty come out?
[04:41] <spikeb> Bourne, a radeon 9200 would do the trick.
[04:41] <LordLimecat> igorgue: im PRETTY sure they merged :) and beryl is a PRETTY fork
[04:41] <PWill> Compiz v Beryl does not matter. They are re-merging.
[04:41] <Hairulfr> kde185: What? Are you seirous, not here it isn't
[04:41] <richw> LordLimecat: Find a link to a article saying that?
[04:42] <CientificoLoco> hello, at what hour will be released the 704 tomorrow?
[04:42] <LordLimecat> richw: one sec
[04:42] <jugo> Go to the #ubuntu-effects channel to talk about this
[04:42] <megafauna> lol. the hour
[04:42] <jugo> What hour will feisty be released
[04:42] <igorgue> nop is just a license thing
[04:42] <Fylk> Pwill: May seem stupid, how do I disable it?
[04:42] <spikeb> yes, they merged back into one project.
[04:42] <igorgue> stupid
[04:42] <Bourne> spikeb: but ATi they say the support is weak and drivers are hell to install... they say nVidia has got the best drivers/cards
[04:42] <igorgue> just because compiz is MIT X11
[04:42] <spikeb> Bourne, the radeon 9200 is supported by open source drivers
[04:42] <PWill> Fylk: Settings > Prefs > Chatting > Alerts
[04:42] <spikeb> Bourne, so that's a pretty safe bet.
[04:42] <PWill> then disable, click OK
[04:42] <igorgue> LordLimecat: did you get that?
[04:42] <jugo> What hour will feisty be released
[04:42] <PWill> go back to the menus
[04:42] <PWill> enable, hit OK
[04:43] <Bourne> spikeb: you gamer?
[04:43] <CientificoLoco> hello,  what hour will feisty be released ?
[04:43] <Hairulfr> ATI is hell getting to work, I recommend Nvidia
[04:43] <spikeb> Bourne, no.
[04:43] <igorgue> jugo, we don't know
[04:43] <PWill> CientificoLoco: nobody knows
[04:43] <spikeb> Bourne, ATI cards suck for gaming on linux.
[04:43] <spikeb> Hairulfr, not the card i am recommending.
[04:43] <PWill> AIT cards suck at everything
[04:43] <Bourne> yes, that is what I heard of
[04:43] <Fylk> Pwill: ok, now I have a wonderfull blank spot where they systray plugin is.
[04:43] <PWill> ATI*
[04:43] <igorgue> jugo you know is just 02:00 UTC
[04:43] <megafauna> if the final release is out, though it is unannounced, then can I pls have a link
[04:43] <PWill> Fylk: did you re-enable it?
[04:43] <M4ri00sh> jugo: 12:00 pm
[04:43] <CientificoLoco> thanks
[04:43] <igorgue> wait a little
[04:43] <Bourne> i have heard that the nVIdia Geforce 6000 is spetacular
[04:43] <megafauna> 1.25 hours till release?
[04:44] <LordLimecat> richw, igorgue: http://lists.beryl-project.org/pipermail/beryl-dev/2007-March/000371.html
[04:44] <Fylk> The systray plugin or the build in one?
[04:44] <PWill> why would they release at 4AM?
[04:44] <LordLimecat> i may have been mistaken
[04:44] <rohan> megafauna: no, it's not a midnight release
[04:44] <richw> LordLimecat: Ty il read
[04:44] <megafauna> will feistly let me install beryl easily?
[04:44] <rohan> megafauna: and it's already 8.15 am here :)
[04:44] <megafauna> rohan -no? oph. that suck
[04:44] <LordLimecat> also, "beryl has 3 times as much code as compiz"...fork indeed
[04:44] <megafauna> rohan. lol
[04:44] <rohan> megafauna: yes, it's already in the universe repo. apt-get install beryl
[04:44] <protocol1> is there anything special the beta users have to do to update our machine or is it as simple as using the update manager?
[04:44] <Chetwin> I have a serious problem, can someone please help me determine the cause of lock ups when listening to music???
[04:44] <Hairulfr> megafauna: has it ever been difficult? It was easy for me in the beta, so, yes, I should think so
[04:46] <PWill> Yes, but Beryl and Compiz are re-merging, so arguing about them is stupid,
[04:46] <M4ri00sh> :>
[04:46] <PWill> :)
[04:46] <megafauna> Hairulfr: i saw terrifying install tutorials and backed off, like it was an attractive but dirty girl
[04:46] <LordLimecat> PWill: http://lists.beryl-project.org/pipermail/beryl-dev/2007-March/000371.html
[04:46] <Hairulfr> PWill: No, coz they are still to different "products" :P
[04:46] <spikeb> Hairulfr, no they will not be.
[04:46] <LordLimecat> unless theres newer articles saying theyve changed their minds?
[04:46] <T0uCH> are we gonna be able to download live cd of feisty ?
[04:46] <PWill> LordLimecat: yes, i have read it
[04:46] <spikeb> Hairulfr, the beryl team is going to work on compiz's eye candy plugins.
[04:46] <LordLimecat> so they ARE still merging?
[04:46] <M4ri00sh> YES
[04:46] <PWill> yes...
[04:46] <rohan> yes
[04:46] <M4ri00sh> kill me please !!!
[04:46] <LordLimecat> most of my news on the topic was read on a blackberry, so i probably missed a lto
[04:46] <Hairulfr> megafauna: Attractive and dirty girls are the best. Look at www.ubuntuguide.org and search for beryl, that's a very easy guide
[04:46] <cables> Has anyone had any trouble getting Democracy TV working on Feisty?
[04:46] <PWill> cables: I posted a fix to the Feisty Forums
[04:47] <Hairulfr> spikeb: I know, but that doesn't change the fact that when I switch to compiz it's like doing something horrible to myself
[04:47] <cables> PWill, thanks! Can you send me a link?
[04:47] <PWill> search for it, I don't know where it is sorry
[04:47] <PWill> er
[04:47] <PWill> ok
[04:47] <PWill> hold on
[04:47] <cables> PWill, okay, I will :)
[04:47] <LordLimecat> question.....i have edgy eft, and want to start fresh with feisty....
[04:47] <cables> PWill, let's see who gets there first
[04:47] <LordLimecat> but i want home directory preserved
[04:47] <spikeb> hahahha
[04:47] <spikeb> Hairulfr, you'll just have to get used to it or fork it again yourself
[04:47] <cables> LordLimecat, backup to a CD would be my best guess
[04:47] <LordLimecat> whats simplest way to do this aside from copying 4 gbs to a usb drive
[04:47] <cables> LordLimecat, ohhh :)
[04:47] <cables> LordLimecat, is it on a separate partition?
[04:47] <LordLimecat> sigh, no
[04:48] <PWill> cables: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=403796
[04:48] <RawSewage> maybe get the special version, or whatever it's called
[04:48] <cables> PWill, thanks so much
[04:48] <megafauna> i can't believe i'm excited about a software, an os release. Has my inner geek been freed? Has this Promethean trait silently waited through the failt jock years and endless hours of television bordem to exescape and decimate all now?
[04:48] <LordLimecat> resize=/= option, smallass drive
[04:48] <LordLimecat> 20-30 gb
[04:48] <LordLimecat> dont ask why i havent upgraded
[04:48] <LordLimecat> im lazyt
[04:48] <jordan__> LordLimecat, Why not upgrade?
[04:48] <spikeb> megafauna, yes.
[04:48] <megafauna> Hairulfr. Thanks, I'll look it up.
[04:48] <megafauna> spikeb lol:)
[04:48] <cables> LordLimecat, I haven't either, I'm sane :)
[04:48] <LordLimecat> jordan__: thats possibly what im looking for?
[04:48] <Hairulfr> LordLimecat: I just kept my home partition and chose it during the installe as the new home. It preserved everything. But you should probably scrap your custom config etc before
[04:48] <PWill> too many people here
[04:48] <carlosqueso> megafauna....embrace your geekiness...i remember when dapper released...stayed up all night for it
[04:48] <PWill> i need to go to a calmer channel
[04:48] <megafauna> LOL
[04:49] <jordan__> LordLimecat, When Feisty is released, just open Update-manager and it will ask if you want to upgrade to Feisty
[04:49] <megafauna> I have. I have come out of the server closet
[04:49] <LordLimecat> Hairulfr: i dont want extra crap from the old install.....just rm -rf everything else during install?
[04:49] <stdin> PWill: you should try #ubuntu , only 1138 people in there :P
[04:49] <PWill> stdin: oh dear
[04:49] <Hairulfr> LordLimecat: Didn't work for me, had to do it afterwards and do the install all over, so wipe the drive before you install
[04:49] <LordLimecat> stdin: until we raid them tonight
[04:49] <cables> LordLimecat, I should clarify, I haven't upgraded my main machine.
[04:50] <cables> How do I install the KVM frontend?
[04:50] <PWill> stdin: i believe my head would explode. i have been troubleshooting for people all day.
[04:50] <LordLimecat> i need to not be lazy, then i wouldnt have these issues -_- i have a core2 system waiting for me to mail in an RMA for the proc...and multiple ubuntu-able comps waiting for ram.....
[04:50] <stdin> PWill: it helps to focus on 1 person at a time
[04:50] <PWill> stdin: that's why I like PMing
[04:51] <PWill> but it's not useful to other people having the same problem
[04:51] <cables> stdin, ooh, i like your nick a lot.
[04:51] <stdin> heh, thanks :)
[04:51] <PWill> stdin: and i always end up helping like 5 people at a time
[04:51] <cables> stdin, buut you're registered, so no hope of stealing it :) :(
[04:56] <stdin> cables: I stole it from whoever had it before, it wasn't using in over a year, so I got a staffer to drop it for me :)
[04:56] <cables> stdin, nice :)
[04:56] <NemesisD> ubuntu doesn't seem to be jiving with my laptop's wireless networking card :(
[04:56] <stdin> cables: oh, and about your question :Pkvm is the module, the frontend is qemu
[04:56] <cables> stdin, so is there an easy nice frontend i can install easily and nicely?
[04:56] <stdin> cables: there is a GUI for it somewhere on the net, but I don't think it's in the repos
[04:56] <cables> stdin, oh :(
[04:56] <cables> stdin, I guess i could hack it
[04:56] <stdin> cables: look on the qemu site
[04:56] <cables> wtf
[04:56] <cables> i didn't mean hack
[04:56] <Bales> is the RC released yet?
[04:56] <cables> i meant install
[04:56] <cables> Bales, i don't think there will be an rc
[04:56] <Bales> is the final candidate released then?
[04:56] <Hairulfr> The RC was cancelled
[04:56] <stdin> Bales: feisty will be out today
[04:56] <Bales> stdin: Any idea on time?
[04:56] <stdin> Bales: no, when it's ready I guess
[04:56] <stdin> Bales: but sometime today
[04:56] <Bales> stdin: alright. Any word on if it'll be a lot different than the beta?
[04:56] <cables> Bales, shouldn't be...
[04:56] <stdin> Bales: it won't be that different (from the users point of view), but there are more updates and bug fixes
[04:56] <Hairulfr> Herd 1, Herd 2, Herd 3, Herd 4, Herd 5,  Beta Release, Final Release. Bales, I don't think there will be many differences
[04:56] <LordLimecat> hey, i want to install kde (the whole metapackage)...it comes with a bunch of kde apps....questions:
[04:56] <LordLimecat> first, will kde apps run faster when kde is running?
[04:57] <cables> LordLimecat, probably
[04:57] <spikeb> they'll START faster.
[04:57] <richw> I could make a script to notify me when it comes out... play a loud noise maybe?
[04:57] <LordLimecat> ie, can running amarok in gnome cause slowness?
[04:57] <cables> LordLimecat, start, but not run
[04:57] <stdin> LordLimecat: you should install "kubuntu-desktop" not "kde"
[04:57] <LordLimecat> alright
[04:57] <LordLimecat> second....is there a way to segregate the menu for gnome and kde?
[04:57] <Hairulfr> LordLimecat: Amarok runs fine in gnome, and it doesn't look too ugly, like many other KDE apps do in gnome
[04:58] <LordLimecat> just an example :)
[04:58] <LordLimecat> and by my second question, i mean, i dont want kubuntu stuff appearing in gnome, and vice versa
[04:58] <stdin> LordLimecat: not really, anymore. it's intergrated by design, for better interoperability
[04:58] <LordLimecat> ^^ answer to which?
[04:58] <stdin> LordLimecat: "second....is there a way to segregate the menu for gnome and kde?"
[04:59] <LordLimecat> ah
[04:59] <LordLimecat> alright
[04:59] <M4ri00sh> i wish kde and gnome worked together on some: win-killer gui :)
[04:59] <LordLimecat> just dont want the menus getting too gigantic
[04:59] <richw> Just some research for a future linux software project.. how many of you use lirc here?
[04:59] <M4ri00sh> standardize the crap :)
[04:59] <LordLimecat> kde is a bit much, but i like having it incase gdm coughs up a lung
[04:59] <megafauna> richw: I use irc. three outa four ain't bad?
[04:59] <LordLimecat> cause then i got kdm
[05:00] <richw> linux infrared
[05:00] <megafauna> richw. what is it?
[05:00] <richw> "linux infrared remote control"
[05:00] <richw> hence lirc
[05:00] <richw> :)
[05:00] <Hairulfr> richw: No, but I've tried the bluetooth one, without success.
[05:01] <richw> its basically a gnome gui to configure lirc
[05:01] <richw> KDE has something similar but its very basic... im planning something more powerful
[05:02] <Hairulfr> LordLimecat: Hehe, that would look crazy :) The cube should wobble as well...
[05:02] <cables> LordLimecat, there was a vid of someone using a wiimote on a dual-monitor system for beryl with a candle instead of a sensor bar... it was the geekiest thing in the world!
[05:02] <LordLimecat> cables: i saw that, and i cried
[05:02] <LordLimecat> it was so beautiful
[05:02] <cables> LordLimecat, lol
[05:02] <LordLimecat> wait, candle?
[05:02] <LordLimecat> i didnt notice that
[05:03] <LordLimecat> that works?
[05:03] <cables> LordLimecat, yeah! two candles replace the ir transmitters
[05:03] <LordLimecat> thought he had some sort of crazy tv remote setup hidden somewhere'
[05:03] <LordLimecat> lol
[05:03] <cables> lol
[05:03] <LordLimecat> wait...idea forming
[05:03] <LordLimecat> heat lamps=ir....
[05:03] <LordLimecat> lava lamp IR emitters!
[05:04] <Hairulfr> LordLimecat: That's too much.
[05:04] <ceil420> o/
[05:04] <christop> is there an offical countdown timer for the release? seems like it's been saying release is tomorrow for a couple of days now. Maybe it's a timezone thing, but I'd still like to know exactly.
[05:05] <hanru> yeah :P for me, it's thursday already
[05:05] <LordLimecat> it shall be done :D
[05:05] <ceil420> christop, i just tell people to wait for it to be the 19th in Hawaii :p
[05:05] <richw> GUI to configure lirc
[05:05] <richw> I got a infrared sensor recently and im controlling a variety of apps with a remote control.. pretty cool.
[05:05] <adultswim> its a timezone thing... it will be released in the next 24 hours or so most likely
[05:05] <hanru> ceil420: screw hawaii, china is bigger and more important. we want our feisty fawn now
[05:06] <hanru> :P
[05:06] <christop> lol
[05:06] <hanru> and we have hotter girls than hawaii
[05:06] <hanru> so we win
[05:06] <ceil420> lol hanru
[05:07] <christop> I've had to not use 6.10 because of some sort of soft lockup on boot, so I'm really looking forward to this release
[05:07] <RawSewage> whats the page that will show when Feisty is released
[05:08] <christop> 6.06 work fine though...
[05:08] <christop> worked*
[05:09] <RawSewage> If I run Kubuntu, but decide to install and run one GNOME app that uses GTK, am I basically running 2 WMs?
[05:09] <ANTDx2> RawSewage, ubuntu.com?
[05:10] <TheDebugger> No, only the libs
[05:10] <RawSewage> ok
[05:11] <LordLimecat> when you install a .deb package, if its not in the repos, its not updated, is it
[05:11] <megafauna> hanru: i demand pictorial proof on the hotter issue
[05:11] <stdin> LordLimecat: right
[05:12] <hanru> megafauna: I don't have any, but I could stroll downtown and take pictures of the multitude of cute chinese girls shopping there at the pedestrian malls ;o
[05:13] <DogBoy> is this channel going to explode when the release comes out
[05:14] <spikeb> implode.
[05:14] <RawSewage> no
[05:14] <RawSewage> everyone will be busy installing
[05:14] <Centaur5> no, cause then this channel is gutsy  :)
[05:14] <hanru> no, it's going to go idle
[05:14] <hanru> ;P
[05:14] <LordLimecat> is it a bad idea to add repos for wine, given that wine exists in the default repos (although slightly dated)?
[05:15] <RawSewage> I do a fresh format/install each release
[05:15] <BHSPitMonkey> I use the official wine repo
[05:15] <RawSewage> good excuse to clean your HD
[05:15] <BHSPitMonkey> it's the best-maintained unofficial repo I have
[05:15] <DogBoy> is everybody staring at ubuntu.com and just hitting reload on the browser?
[05:15] <RawSewage> no
[05:15] <stdin> LordLimecat: it shouldn't hurt, as the only app in the wine repo is wine
[05:15] <VirhYl4> any idea what's up when wine can't find your audio card?
[05:15] <LordLimecat> BHSPitMonkey: i did not see one mentioned on winehq
[05:15] <RawSewage> Im staring at Kubuntu.com pressing reload
[05:15] <qweasdzxc> lol
[05:16] <megafauna> DogBoy: No I'm watching Seinfeld with this on in the background
[05:16] <crimsun> um, I'd save my button presses. We're still some hours away.
[05:16] <RawSewage> ok
[05:16] <megafauna> crimsun: how do u know?
[05:16] <BHSPitMonkey> LordLimecat, I can't imagine how, but: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[05:16] <RawSewage> he knows
[05:16] <crimsun> megafauna: there are a number of things that occur when the release is "just about there"
[05:16] <DogBoy> seinfeld eh
[05:16] <DogBoy> never seen that
[05:17] <LordLimecat> oh -_- thought they were just gonna give me .deb
[05:17] <LordLimecat> thanks :)
[05:17] <crimsun> megafauna: our release manager is here in the channel. Rest assured you'll know when it's out.
[05:17] <LordLimecat> didnt actually press the debian button, thought it downloaded
[05:17] <fulat2k> what last minute fixes are there?
[05:17] <RawSewage> maybe for next release, they can have a cellphone thing where you leave your cellphone number, and they call you when the release is ready
[05:18] <VirhYl4> how do I get the latest wine in Feisty?
[05:18] <megafauna> crimsun: well I guess i'll install it later as opposed to tonight then:(
[05:19] <Centaur5> Do packages like linux-headers and others ever delete themselves when they're outdated?
[05:19] <qweasdzxc> what about this iso? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[05:19] <boris55> Where is feisty?
[05:20] <BHSPitMonkey> boris55, where it's always been, why?
[05:20] <Centaur5> qweasdzxc: That will be equivalent to the alternate cd though if you don't want the live.
[05:20] <crimsun> qweasdzxc: it's the latest daily-live image.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Im using Feisty now
[05:20] <mxpxpod> I just dist-upgraded from edgy to feisty and now the kernel (2.6.20) loads but won't go into running the init scripts... can someone help me?
[05:20] <Centaur5> crimsun: Oh really?  Since when did they make daily live?
[05:20] <boris55> is it released?
[05:20] <crimsun> Centaur5: "daily-live" == desktop cd, that's all. No more, no less.
[05:20] <desync> qweasdzxc: I was wondering the same thing since there's a kubuntu build from today
[05:20] <gils> whats a good ISO programs
[05:21] <Dr_willis> gils,  clarify that question a bit.
[05:21] <megafauna> George is converting to latvian orthodox.
i have the same problem
[05:21] <gils> sorry, i used to have kiso when i used kde....what is a good one for gnoem
[05:21] <mxpxpod> dax3y: any clues?
[05:21] <qweasdzxc> desync, lol!
[05:21] <crimsun> mxpxpod: please describe in more detail.
[05:21] <gils> gnome&
 i don't know :(
[05:22] <Dr_willis> gils,  you could install kiso and use it under gnome.
[05:22] <mxpxpod> crimsun: what more detail do you need?
[05:22] <crimsun> mxpxpod: precisely where in the boot sequence it seems to halt
[05:22] <crimsun> mxpxpod: if necessary and you have a digital camera, post a digital photo
[05:22] <gils> hmmm, ok. Is there a better one?
[05:22] <mxpxpod> crimsun: I booted in recovery mode and it seems to load the kernel modules, but go no further
[05:23] <Dr_willis> gils,  depends on what you are doing exactly i guess. I rarely ever need to modify the actual .iso file
[05:23] <crimsun> mxpxpod: please, we need at least a digital photo or a pastebinned (typed out manually if necessary) of the last twenty or so lines
[05:23] <dax3y> mxpxpod: ubuntu freeze when the orange bar is 1mm width ?
[05:23] <mxpxpod> dax3y: yeah
[05:24] <gils> ok
[05:24] <dax3y> mxpxpod: me too (sorry for my bad english)
[05:24] <mxpxpod> crimsun: I'll see what I can do... I booted into 2.6.17 but now my video drivers don't work because of a conflict between the kernel module and x drivers
[05:24] <gils> i have a crap load of cd's i want to back up and modify. want to create large modifyable ISOs
[05:24] <crimsun> that sounds like one of several initramfs issues
[05:24] <crimsun> just wait ~3 minutes, and it should drop you to a normal shell
[05:25] <mxpxpod> crimsun: and then what?
[05:25] <taggie> okay who wants to work off some of this "omg, is it available yet?!" energy on a sound problem? when i play games on feisty, i get weird stuttering in my sound, stutters seem to coincide with keypresses and mouse activity
[05:25] <mxpxpod> will it have run all the init.d scripts?
[05:26] <megafauna> taggie: dude, i make stuttery sounds for fun.
[05:26] <crimsun> mxpxpod: assuming you're doing this in single user ("recovery"), you can then `telinit 2` and regenerate the initramfs (`sudo update-initramfs -u`)
[05:26] <DogBoy> taggie, not me, I'm gonna continue hitting reload at ubuntu.com
[05:26] <taggie> megafauna: yeah, i wouldn't mind it, but it's really cramping my supertux game
[05:26] <mxpxpod> crimsun: can I do that from a different kernel? like 2.6.17?
[05:26] <RawSewage> Release isnt for a few hours at least
[05:26] <megafauna> taggie, i'd help if i could but i'm a total newb.
[05:27] <taggie> Dogboy: i wouldn't want to interrupt... i know how excited everybody is. :)
[05:27] <crimsun> mxpxpod: sure, just make sure you pass the appropriate parameter(s) to update-initramfs(8)
[05:27] <DogBoy> why is that RawSewage
[05:27] <RawSewage> my guess is 8 hours
[05:27] <gils> taggie: are you using ALSO or OSS?
[05:27] <mxpxpod> crimsun: ok, thanks
[05:27] <gils> *ALSA
[05:27] <DogBoy> based on what RawSewage
[05:27] <taggie> gils, pretty sure i'm using alsa, is there a quick way to be certain?
[05:27] <RawSewage> last release came out at about 1200 GMT I think
[05:28] <torpedo|dog> I have a tiny problem with Totem: All my video shows up in really funky colours.
[05:28] <mxpxpod> crimsun: so, "sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.20-15-generic"?
[05:28] <RawSewage> no wait, it was earlier
[05:28] <taggie> gils, actually, i should say, in the gnome sound preferences, i've got alsa selected for all playback
[05:28] <RawSewage> anyway, it's only 4:30 am at Ubuntu HQ
[05:29] <gils> ok try restarting ALSO and the play your game see if it still does that
[05:29] <RawSewage> so we have to wait until at least 9am, IMO
[05:29] <crimsun> mxpxpod: yes
[05:29] <taggie> gils, also, i should mention, it doesn't do anything weird while playing movies, dvd's, music, etc. only gaming as far as i can tell
[05:29] <DogBoy> can't we just move hq
[05:29] <gils> *ALSA,  i cant spell today
[05:29] <megafauna> 8 HOURS? GOD HELP US. GOD HELP US ALL
[05:29] <taggie> gils, it's been doing this since install weeks ago.
[05:29] <mxpxpod> crimsun: ok, lemme go try it... bbiab
[05:30] <gils> have you tried restarting ALSA before going into a game...
[05:30] <jd> so are most here "waiting"?  :)
[05:30] <taggie> i'll try that now.
[05:30] <jtt> if they have locked the RC's will they make any changes to the RC's before releasing
[05:30] <stdin> jd: nothing stopping you from upgrading now, if you want to
[05:31] <jtt> before releasing = before final release
[05:31] <RawSewage> is Goobuntu based on GNOME or KDE
[05:31] <megafauna> jd: no. it won't be out before I crash out for the night. I'm just contributing to the party atmosphere
[05:32] <ANTDx1> Ok guys
[05:32] <megafauna> jd: also i'm drinking too
[05:32] <jd> hahaha  me too!
[05:32] <megafauna> what r u drinking?
[05:32] <ANTDx1> For some reason, my XGL session is broken, and 3d acceleration on my Radeon x200m is broken
[05:32] <ANTDx1> Anyone have any idea what could've caused it?
[05:32] <jd> butterscotch schnapps
[05:33] <gils> ok boys and girls i am off to bed. the vibe of utter excitement and anticipation is too much for my Gin and Tonic laced blood
[05:33] <GeekChick|> I'm having issues with video playback with Feisty Fawn. The colors are very bad, people's skin is blue tinted, and blue objects are orange tones, etc....using ATI Mobility Radeon X1300
[05:33] <jd> It's kinda brownish...  in the spirit of Ubuntu.
[05:33] <megafauna> jd nice choice. lets have a cheer for feisty
[05:34] <gils> but to all of you fine people eagerly awaiting, speed download to all
[05:34] <megafauna> Cheers! Let the penguins migrate north!
[05:34] <jd> megafauna:  Here's to feisty!
[05:34] <jd> lol
[05:34] <taggie> GeekChick, i had that with totem, when i used mplayer and vlc, it didn't do that.
[05:35] <GeekChick|> taggie, so it's a totem issue?
[05:35] <taggie> as far as i could tell, it was the only player that gave me the issue.
[05:36] <GeekChick|> taggie, so you use mplayer instead?
[05:36] <taggie> GeekChick|: i have to say tho, it had a certain appeal, everybody looked like smurfs.
[05:36] <spikeb> lol tag
[05:36] <GeekChick|> does mplayer have scrollwheel seeking?
[05:36] <GeekChick|> taggie, yes, thats exactly it. smurfs.
[05:36] <taggie> GeekChick|: mostly i use VLC, but mplayer on occasion.
[05:36] <iamalex> hey guys, is /boot the only partition I need to mark bootable
[05:37] <GeekChick|> iamalex, yes
[05:37] <iamalex> thanks :) figured as such
[05:37] <iamalex> seems simple enough
[05:37] <taggie> GeekChick|: dunno about scroll wheel seek, i use a trackpoint and don't have a mouse handy to test
[05:38] <GeekChick|> hmmm ill brb then.
[05:38] <GeekChick|> thanks taggie
[05:38] <GeekChick|> taggie, do you also have the Intel Proset 3945 ABG?
[05:38] <taggie> GeekChick|: yep, i'm using a thinkpad t60p, that's the default card
[05:38] <pschulz01> Where are the feisty rc iso images located?
[05:39] <GeekChick|> taggie, does the new feisty fawn network manager in notification area give you that fancy dropdown list of available wireless networks? it doesnt work for me.
[05:39] <GeekChick|> taggie, I can connect fine, but it only shows "manual mode"
[05:39] <mxpxpod> crimsun: ok, so it looks like the initramfs is seeing sda as sdb
[05:39] <voidmage> release is tomorrow
[05:39] <GeekChick|> taggie, talking about http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
[05:40] <gils> oh one quick question, how can i get command line 'rm' delete command to throw things to trash and not delete permanently!!?
[05:40] <crimsun> mxpxpod: ok, so did the UUID conversion fail? (Was edgy not using UUIDs for fstab(5)?)
[05:40] <taggie> GeekChick|: yes it does, but i'm actually using .7, tho, .6.4 from stock feisty did also
[05:40] <mxpxpod> crimsun: it was using uuids
[05:40] <voidmage> alias rm='rm -i'
[05:40] <DogBoy> gils, write an alias or script called rm
[05:40] <mxpxpod> crimsun: and it works fine in edgy
[05:40] <voidmage> that will ask you to confirm removing anything
[05:40] <GeekChick|> taggie, for me its not. hmmm. do you remember if you had to do any special configuration for it?
[05:40] <voidmage> put that in your ~/.bashrc
[05:41] <gils> ok
[05:41] <taggie> GeekChick|: are you able to manually enter ssids? and no, it worked right out of the box
[05:41] <voidmage> then make sure to either restart your shell or source ~/.bashrc
[05:41] <GeekChick|> taggie, yah, i can manually enter them, thats how i am connected, but the auto feature isnt working.
[05:41] <gils> ok now that script with the -i tag will simply ask me for confirmation before delete?
[05:41] <taggie> that's strange
[05:42] <crimsun> mxpxpod: ok, I've seen this mentioned in -kernel; query the linux-source-2.6.20 bugs on Launchpad
[05:42] <taggie> GeekChick|: the only thing i needed .7 for was LEAP support
[05:42] <philip> ok I guess I'll be the last person to download the beta version
[05:42] <philip> gonna report some bugs :P
[05:42] <voidmage> gils: yeah
[05:43] <mxpxpod> crimsun: ok, I'll let you know what I find
[05:43] <GeekChick|> taggie, hmmm. are you using the proprietary drivers in feisty fawn?
[05:43] <gils> voidmage: thats good. but does rm always completely remove stuff as opposed to  send to trash
[05:43] <voidmage> yeah
[05:43] <gils> ok thats what i was wondering
[05:43] <gils> thank you
[05:44] <taggie> GeekChick|: yep, i have done absolutely zero configuration of the wireless, it installed the restricted drivers on install and it's been working since.
[05:44] <voidmage> don't know where the trash is stored
[05:44] <voidmage> in kde i know it's ~/.Trash
[05:44] <GeekChick|> taggie, hmmm, well i dont know then. ill brb.
[05:44] <gils> oh i know where the trash is stored
[05:44] <voidmage> okay then you can do
[05:44] <BHSPitMonkey> same in gnome
[05:44] <voidmage> alias rm='mv -t ~/.Trash'
[05:45] <gils> thats not my issue. I just didnt realize how to use the command line to delete something in a way that sends the files deleted to trash.
[05:45] <gils> can i right a script for that too?
[05:45] <gils> write*
[05:45] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah... you can just alias something arbitrary to "mv -t ~/.Trash"
[05:45] <gils> ahh ok
[05:45] <BHSPitMonkey> like, 'delete'
[05:45] <BHSPitMonkey> or del, whatever floats your boat
[05:46] <gils> yes
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> 
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> what?
[05:46] <gils> BHSPitMonkey: thanks
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> oh, sorry wrong chan
[05:46] <BHSPitMonkey> mmhmm
[05:46] <voidmage> hrm
[05:46] <voidmage> kde's trash is interesting
[05:46] <spikeb> use trash as the command, then you'll not get mixed up with rm heh
[05:46] <gils> voidmage: thanks too
[05:46] <BHSPitMonkey> voidmage, that's the same thing you said about your neighbors', creep
[05:46] <voidmage> *kick*
[05:47] <ANTDx1> Does anyone know how i can get my restricted driver to work?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> which restricted driver?
[05:49] <ANTDx1> ATI X200M
[05:49] <whonicca> feisty gets rls'ed exactly at one time
[05:49] <whonicca> 12am eastern?
[05:49] <ANTDx1> The forums say it sould be in the restricted drivers manager
[05:49] <mxpxpod> crimsun: so, just search for initramfs  in the 2.6.20 bugs?
[05:49] <ANTDx1> However, when I try doing that, it says there are no restricted drivers needed for my system.
[05:49] <kde185> 4:20 AM
[05:49] <whonicca> ty
[05:49] <ANTDx1> I had the restricted driver in 6.10
[05:50] <ANTDx1> It isn't working correctly in 7.04
[05:50] <voidmage> tried the restricted manager?
[05:50] <ffad> yeah anyone know what time of day it's going to be released? GMT?
[05:50] <megafauna> ffad i heard 8 hours from now, 1/2 hr ago
[05:50] <ANTDx1> Yeah I tried the restricted manager
[05:50] <ffad> ok thanks megafauna
[05:50] <ANTDx1> says there are no drivers needed for my system.
[05:50] <crimsun> mxpxpod: that's a good starting point
[05:51] <ffad> that's an odd time
[05:51] <taggie> antdx1, were you using fglrx with 6.1?
[05:51] <ANTDx1> yes Iwas
[05:51] <taggie> you should just be able to sudo apt-get install fglrx and it should go. my x1600 works fine with it.
[05:51] <ANTDx1> let me see
[05:52] <taggie> ANTDx1: sorry, it's xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:52] <ANTDx1> ok
[05:52] <taggie> and then fglrx-control for the control panel
[05:53] <ANTDx1> it is already the newest version
[05:53] <megafauna> i love the foot. i'm a big fan of the foot
[05:53] <ANTDx1> one thing
[05:53] <ANTDx1> I did not have it autoremove the old kernel modules
[05:53] <ANTDx1> from the 2.6.17.10 kernel
[05:53] <taggie> ANTDx1, go to a shell, and type fglrxinfo
[05:54] <ANTDx1> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:54] <taggie> yeah, so it's not running
[05:54] <ANTDx1> yeah i know...
[05:55] <mxpxpod> crimsun: here's the solution: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106864
[05:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 106864 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty boot fail "can't access tty" IDE SATA problem" [High,Confirmed] 
[05:55] <ANTDx1> It did recognize my card in the restricted manager during a beta, but did not configure it correctly
[05:55] <taggie> ANTDx1, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, scroll down to the video card section and see what driver is listed
[05:55] <ANTDx1> ok
[05:56] <crimsun> mxpxpod: good.
[05:56] <RawSewage> megafauna, I was just guessing
[05:56] <mxpxpod> dax3y: did you see the link I posted?
[05:56] <taggie> ANTDx1, you can just type "grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf" for a super quick check
[05:56] <ANTDx1> 	Driver      "fglrx"
[05:56] <megafauna> RawSewage: oh. i won't pass it on then.
[05:56] <taggie> hm.
[05:57] <RawSewage> megafauna, you can if you want but it's probably wrong
 yes thanks i'm on the page :)
[05:57] <taggie> ANTDx1, check ~.xsession-errors to see if it's throwing an error you can see
[05:57] <ANTDx1> ok
[05:58] <mxpxpod> dax3y: the solution is the third from the bottom
[05:58] <mxpxpod> dax3y: the thing about piix in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[05:58] <binskipy2u> one more day to go till fiesty
[05:58] <ANTDx1> modinfo: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/volatile/fglrx.ko: No such file or directory
[05:58] <ANTDx1> I'm guessing that's a problem.
[05:58] <megafauna> ANNOUNCEMENT: FEISTY IS BEING SKIPPED IN FAVOUR OF THE NEXT RELEASE IN 6 MONTHS
[05:59] <taggie> yeah, not having the modules would be an issue :)
[05:59] <binskipy2u> hshahah mega
[05:59] <BHSPitMonkey> clever dude
[05:59] <sacmat> !when fiesty
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about when fiesty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <megafauna> lol
[05:59] <sacmat> !time release fiesty
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> tomorrow sacater ... see the topic
[05:59] <taggie> ANTDx1, try installing: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic
[05:59] <sacmat> lol
[06:00] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. I need help fixing my sound in Wolfenstein Enemy Territory.
[06:00] <sacmat> its 19th here
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> Shaddox, man you stil have that problem....
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> wish i knew
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> 19th here too
[06:00] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: Yeah, and it's getting really annoying. X_x
[06:00] <ANTDx1> it's already the newest version
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> url?
[06:00] <taggie> hm
[06:00] <Linoleum> hey , I dont understand : we are the 19th of april, but there is still no feisty, and there is the same new : tomorow realese of feisty .. but tomorow is today now !
[06:00] <taggie> well, beyond removing and reinstalling that package, i don't know where to go next with that one.
[06:01] <voidmage> Linoleum: it just hit midnight
[06:01] <voidmage> give it a bit more time
[06:01] <whonicca> lol
[06:01] <voidmage> like maybe since canonical is a business they'd release it first thing in the business day?
[06:01] <spikeb> understand this: it's not out yet. when it is, you'll be able to see that very easily.
[06:01] <dcushman> We've been developing a product for 4 months and telling the project managers it will ship "Tomorrow" :)
[06:01] <jd> They never release "on the dot"
[06:01] <voidmage> so some time in the morning i'd say
[06:01] <iankesterhaney> hello, I am havin g an issue with rescuing a previous install.  the uuid thing is driving me nut.  I can't seem to get it fixed.
[06:02] <sacmat> fuck mark shuttleworth man!
[06:02] <voidmage> the version you'd get now is still basically the release
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> hmm, need to setup my ssh server here so i can remote in, open screen start the torrent and get off...
[06:02] <Linoleum> voidmage; ho ok.. so canonical, which timezone are they ?
[06:02] <jd> woah-k then
[06:02] <Shaddox> Can anyone help me with a Quake III engine game sound issue?
[06:02] <Wikzo> Isn't this beta version?
[06:02] <Wikzo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[06:02] <spikeb> no
[06:02] <ANTDx1> do i need an "fgrlx" in the Module load section?
[06:02] <voidmage> Linoleum: GMT i believe
[06:03] <philip> MS always releases to manufacturing by more than a month...Ubuntu has to better MS in that department :P
[06:03] <kde185> I'm pretty sure things in the ubuntu universe are according to GMT time, however it takes time to compile and roll a distro so perhaps it'll be done when it's done?
[06:03] <Linoleum> ok tkx guys ;)
[06:03] <iankesterhaney> ubuntu has less bugs on release the MS, even though MS had extra years to release\
[06:03] <RawSewage> Ubuntu HQ are in the UK
[06:04] <jd> Well think of it this way.  If you did it the way MS did it you'd be still waiting another 2 years from now
[06:04] <RawSewage> it's only 5am in the UK
[06:04] <GluE_> !meeting
[06:04] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[06:04] <taggie> ANTDx1: make sure fglrx isn't in the /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file
[06:04] <chemisus> are there going to be seeds up for the torrents of the new release on release?
[06:04] <philip> tongue-in-cheek about MS...I haven't used MS in years I wouldn't know
[06:05] <kde185> I honestly think Vista is a good OS
[06:05] <spikeb> chemisus, based on the past, the tracker will be broken half the day before they get it right
[06:05] <kde185> I just like Linux better
[06:05] <chemisus> spikeb, thanks
[06:05] <kde185> god damn I need some beer
[06:05] <jd> The only reason I like Linux is it doesn't slow down the longer you use it
[06:05] <spikeb> kde185, blasphemer!
[06:05] <kde185> lol
[06:05] <ANTDx1> it says fglrx is disabled...
[06:06] <kde185> hey I didn't say I use it, I just say it doesn't live up to all the fud
[06:06] <iankesterhaney> hello, how can I get my ubuntu system fixed, is there a program I can run to redo the grub config and install it on the MBR?
[06:06] <taggie> ANTDx1, aha, remove that.
[06:06] <jd> Well Vista sure is helping the price of hardware come down.
[06:06] <philip> jd, I'm actually needing to wipe my feisty install due to manual configs I did since breezy (kept updating)
[06:06] <ANTDx1> alright
[06:07] <spikeb> AMD's desperation to clear the shelves is bringing the price of the hardware i'm buying down
[06:07] <ANTDx1> i'm going to restart and see if that helps things a bit.
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> jd, that is the lower end... pricewatch shows all the core2duo systems going up
[06:07] <taggie> ANTDx1: once removed, run sudo modprobe fglrx
[06:07] <ANTDx1> oh k
[06:07] <ANTDx1> ok*
[06:07] <spikeb> intel's stuff isn't going cheaper :|
[06:07] <ANTDx1> still says no such file or directory
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, some is
[06:07] <Wikzo> [06:07] <jbinder> hi
[06:08] <Awperator> sup
[06:08] <spikeb> nomasteryoda, intel's definition of cheaper and my definition haven't matched since the core 1 was released heh
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> howdy jbinder
[06:08] <Linoleum> Wikzo NOOOO you ruined my day
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:08] <jbinder> Meh... when is Feisty being released.
[06:08] <Linoleum> and all my hope
[06:08] <jbinder> 26 hours ago it said "tomorrow"
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> jbinder, see topic
[06:08] <jbinder> 26 hours > a day
[06:08] <Black_> jbinder july 7, 2009
[06:08] <philip> jbinder, I second that
[06:08] <jbinder> philip: lol
[06:08] <jd> lol
[06:08] <Black_> @ 23:56 utc
[06:08] <ANTDx1> So fglrx.ko is not there
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> Black_, lol... but that is abuse of users.... =D
[06:09] <megafauna> jbinder: it isn't. Bambi's mother shot Feisty
[06:09] <jbinder> UTC.... when is that?
[06:09] <jbinder> My time zone is -5
[06:09] <taggie> ANTDx1, if it's not there, but you've got the latest packages, you may need to download the modules in source and build 'em.
[06:09] <jbinder> so... at 5:00 AM?
[06:09] <jbinder> lol
[06:09] <Black_> nomasteryoda: nah its fine
[06:09] <taggie> ANTDx1, check here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[06:09] <philip> in most parts of the world it's April 19th already
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> no, that's PTC ... pluto time
[06:09] <mxpxpod> crimsun: thanks for the help
[06:09] <Black_> pluto isnt a planet so no more ptc
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> its the 20th in australia
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:10] <jbinder> Is Ubuntu going to change in the next 5 hours?
[06:10] <jbinder> lol
[06:10] <philip> actually I don't care for the feisty download. As soon as I install feisty I will want Feisty+1
[06:10] <Black_> no it will still be called ubuntu
[06:10] <jd> I think they should wait and release ubuntu at exactly 7:04:00 GMT
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> nice
[06:10] <spikeb> one minute before midnight.
[06:10] <jbinder> I think they should release it at 7:00PM in my time zone
[06:10] <taggie> ANTDx1, also, run depmod -a and see if that helps
[06:10] <jbinder> that's when the first time zone turns the 19th
[06:10] <ANTDx1> ok
[06:11] <Black_> i want to seed this torrent just to cover up my other "questionable dls"
[06:11] <jbinder> lol
[06:11] <megafauna> Black_ lol
[06:11] <taggie> ANTDx1, sorry, that's going to need to be root, so just sudo depmod -a
[06:11] <jbinder> leechers are losers
[06:11] <jbinder> what is the point in leeching
[06:11] <Black_> true
[06:11] <RawSewage> you shouldnt download porn.  it's wrong
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> Black_, put a peer guardian on your dls
[06:11] <Black_> who said its pron
[06:11] <Black_> porn
[06:11] <jbinder> it goes SO MUCH quicker if you seed
[06:11] <jd> hahaha  pron
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> pr0n
[06:11] <jbinder> I don't put a cap on my upload.
[06:11] <jbinder> :)
[06:11] <ANTDx1> now when i say modprobe fglrx it gives me an error
[06:11] <Black_> nomasteryoda: i read a study that said that only covers 15%
[06:12] <Wikzo> The release from The Fridge is gone ... some hours ago it said "xx hours left", but not it isn't there
[06:12] <ANTDx1> FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx
[06:12] <jbinder> gtg
[06:12] <jbinder> bbl
[06:12] <taggie> lovely
[06:12] <rarj> When is the final candidate for Feisty releasing ?
[06:12] <Black_> nomasteryoda: i have access to chemicals so i will just obliterate my comp if i ever get questioned
[06:12] <taggie> ANTDx1, I'd suggest running through that webpage i listed. those are the instructions i followed for my x1600 and they worked great.
[06:13] <ANTDx1> Alright I'll try it.  Thanks for your help
[06:13] <Black_> nomasteryoda: or your could just go buy everything and say you were making an archive copy
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> er, but tthe logs will still be on the isp
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> sure
[06:13] <Black_> nomasteryoda: i have an open wireless network.....
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> cool
[06:13] <taggie> ANTDx1, good luck, i'll be around for a while, check back if i can help more.
[06:13] <Black_> nomasteryoda: just play the dumb card
[06:13] <philip> I think tonyyarusso is changing the topic
[06:13] <ANTDx1> alright thanks
[06:14] <philip> yay!
[06:14] <spikeb> haha
[06:14] <philip> damnit...I thought he was gonna post the torrent
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> hehe, I'm not that special
[06:14] <Black_> i can post a 700 meg torrent of random stuffs
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Black_,  be sure to split it into 100 different rar parts also..
[06:16] <Black_> and password it
[06:16] <misfit-toy> lol
[06:16] <Black_> and some .nfo files and a couple .txt just for kicks
[06:17] <Dr_willis> ive started many a flame-war on torrent sites over such actions. :)
[06:17] <Black_> just mention the word apple and that starts a flame war
[06:18] <chowmeined> what did you say!?
[06:18] <Black_> 10.4 pwnz feisty
[06:18] <Black_> eat apples linux punk
[06:18] <chowmeined> no
[06:18] <chowmeined> apple is garbage
[06:18] <Black_> i prefer granny smith apples
[06:18] <chowmeined> oh me too
[06:18] <chowmeined> those are delicious
[06:18] <Dr_willis> chowmeined,  similer to "Lets all boycott these torrents that have idiotic passwords, and abuse of the .rar splitting" :) basicially.. then 1000+ people agree.
[06:18] <Black_> no those are granny smiths
[06:19] <Black_> golden delicious suck
[06:19] <chowmeined> no
[06:19] <chowmeined> i dont like golden delicious
[06:19] <Dr_willis> chowmeined,  and 'Friends dont let friends use .wmv' :)
[06:19] <Black_> yes
[06:19] <Black_> lol
[06:19] <chowmeined> .wmv makes me sad :(
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Granny Smiths are good. They cook up better also.
[06:19] <chowmeined> and wtf is with the rars anyways?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Golden Del dont make good pies.
[06:19] <mellow_bunny> hmm nothing like a good apple stew
[06:19] <chowmeined> .r00 .r01 .r02... on and on
[06:19] <Black_> .iso.zip.rar.dmg.bin is the best way to go
[06:19] <chowmeined> what nonsense.. whats the point?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> chowmeined,  the rar thing is OK - IF they dont include 1000000+ zips in them heh
[06:19] <chowmeined> its not like we are going to put it on floppy diskettes
[06:20] <Black_> like 100 different programs to get to the 700 megs of random text files
[06:20] <chowmeined> and .nfo and .txt
[06:20] <Dr_willis> the use of the .par stuff is a way to let the rars not get currupted.. but on torrents thats not  that big a issue
[06:20] <chowmeined> whats the point
[06:20] <NemesisD> hi guys do you think you could help me get my wireless working on my laptop, feisty seems to hate it
[06:20] <Dr_willis> .nfo -> lets use a extension the MS has allready taken! yes!
[06:20] <chowmeined> if you want to have a great description
[06:20] <chowmeined> use .pdf or open document formats
[06:21] <NemesisD> i installed the driver with ndiswrapper and now somehow there isn't even wireless in the network wizard thing
[06:21] <chowmeined> and all music in vorbis and all video in theora
[06:21] <Black_> Dr_willis>	.nfo -> lets use a extension the MS has allready taken! yes!  <<<< i always wondered that
[06:21] <chowmeined> then the world shall be free
[06:21] <Dr_willis> chowmeined,  for newsgroups and other methods that may currupt the data. Rar+par can eliminate that problem. but in short I guess its rar because rar has beter compression
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Black_,  of course .nfo may of been in use years ago for all ive noticed
[06:21] <chowmeined> but torrents verify with checksums
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Black_,  but in short.. ITS a TEXT file! heh heh.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> chowmeined,  right. thats why you dont see the .par stuff on  torrents
[06:22] <chowmeined> but still the rar..
[06:22] <Dr_willis> chowmeined,  you see them a lot on newsgroups
[06:22] <chowmeined> i dont use newsgroups
[06:22] <chowmeined> im too young for that
[06:22] <Black_> chowmeined: so rip the lastest movie as a theora and upload it....is it copyright infringment if NO ONE can open the file??
[06:22] <Dr_willis> newsgroups are still one of the best ways to get  Porn Images. :)
[06:22] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[06:22] <chowmeined> anyways
[06:22] <chowmeined> i never wanted to pay fees
[06:22] <chowmeined> and all the newsgroup servers are like.. you pay $30 a month
[06:22] <chowmeined> k?
[06:23] <Black_> because 99.99% of public .torrent users are 12 y/o kids with XP hacked
[06:23] <Dr_willis> pay fees? Hmm - ive never paid a fee to use newsgroups.
[06:23] <chowmeined> oh well
[06:23] <paradon> chowmeined: readfreenews.net
[06:23] <whonicca> newshosting unlimited 15 a month
[06:23] <chowmeined> i like torrents
[06:23] <Dr_willis> ive not tried my isp's newsgroups in a year or more however.
[06:23] <whonicca> =|
[06:23] <chowmeined> i try to download all the distros i can with torrents
[06:24] <Black_> anyone ever use pando
[06:24] <chowmeined> if no torrent, then http.. i dont like ftp
[06:24] <Dr_willis> I find that torrent downloads for disrtos - seem way tooo slow.
[06:24] <chowmeined> firewall + nat + ftp.. never seems to work
[06:24] <chowmeined> i have found the magical formula for making torrents go fast
[06:24] <Dr_willis> then ya get the lame disrtos that ONLY release in torrents
[06:24] <chowmeined> I usually get 600KB/s on torrents for popular things
[06:25] <Black_> well some have restrictions if you dont upload enough
[06:25] <Cryoniq> Will Feisty fawn be able to upgrade earlier versions, like my 6.10 smoothly?
[06:25] <Black_> prollly not at first
[06:25] <spikeb> Cryoniq, theoretically
[06:25] <Cryoniq> =P
[06:25] <Black_> :P
[06:25] <Black_> back at ya
[06:26] <Cryoniq> I more meant I love the answers :D
[06:26] <Black_> your 6.10 upgraded smoothly?
[06:26] <chowmeined> dangit
[06:26] <chowmeined> i just installed 6.10 today
[06:26] <chowmeined> so i have to upgrade tomorrow already!?
[06:26] <Black_> wow mine nearly made my comp burst into flames
[06:26] <DogBoy> so you have practice installing
[06:26] <Black_> 6.10?  i thought 5.04 was just released?
[06:26] <spikeb> er
[06:26] <spikeb> no
[06:26] <spikeb> heh
[06:26] <Cryoniq> In a couple of hours more likely? =)
[06:27] <chowmeined> i already know how to install linux...
[06:27] <Black_> when mark gets up and flips the master ubuntu switch in his house
[06:27] <Black_> thats when its released
[06:27] <chowmeined> ive done LFS and gentoo.. everything is cake now
[06:27] <Cryoniq> hopefully that is the only thing he release in the morning :)
[06:28] <Black_> the floodgates o' ubuntu will open, and get clogged with thousands of dls.....
[06:28] <chowmeined> wait what time are they releasing it?
[06:28] <chowmeined> midnight EST?
[06:28] <`sam`> so if update manager isn't showing any updates right now, then what i have is probably feisty final?
[06:28] <chowmeined> yay its already out
[06:28] <Black_> Cryoniq: umm......
[06:28] <Cryoniq> What?!? :)
[06:28] <Black_> Cryoniq>	hopefully that is the only thing he release in the morning :)
[06:28] <mellow_bunny> Mithrandir having fun today?
[06:28] <Cryoniq> Yeah....
[06:29] <Black_> how funny would it be if they released 7.04 today and 7.10 tomorrow
[06:29] <Black_> GOT YA!
[06:29] <Black_> mark hired more programmers, and they drank comcast power boost
[06:29] <chowmeined> huh?
[06:30] <Black_> slammed out a release over night
[06:30] <chowmeined> so does ubuntu steal patches from red hat n stuff?
[06:30] <wangensh> 
[06:30] <chowmeined> to make stuff better?
[06:30] <wangensh> 
[06:30] <jbroome> wangensh: pretty pictures
[06:30] <spikeb> chowmeined, upstream does
[06:30] <Black_>  <<< si
[06:30] <mellow_bunny> from red hat >.>?
[06:30] <chowmeined> wangensh: I can
[06:30] <spikeb> chowmeined, i dunno if ubuntu does directly.
[06:30] <wangensh> chinese
[06:30] <chowmeined> but becareful
[06:31] <chowmeined> usually they just yell at you and say.. go to #ubuntu-cn
[06:31] <wangensh> why?
[06:31] <chowmeined> I dunno
[06:31] <wangensh> huh
[06:31] <Black_> ubuntu doesnt, i do, i have to go there tomorrow...my black clothes are in the dryer now
[06:31] <chowmeined> !chinese
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <Black_> !cn
[06:31] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[06:31] <sonoftheclayr> ever read the IRC guidelines? it does say english only
[06:31] <chowmeined> whats the problem?
[06:31] <wangensh> thanks
[06:32] <Black_> np
[06:32] <chowmeined> makes everyone sound so xenophobic
[06:32] <wangensh> just find chinese here!
[06:32] <wangensh> what't the GMT time?
[06:32] <chowmeined> wow i dont know chinese
[06:32] <RawSewage> 0432
[06:32] <chowmeined>  /me didnt know either
[06:33] <chowmeined> hey.. :-/
[06:33] <Black_> rofl
[06:33] <wangensh> just a joke
[06:33] <chowmeined> i can..
[06:33] <chowmeined> when are they moving to kernel 2.8?
[06:34] <wangensh> 2.8?
[06:34] <chowmeined> i want a fully audited stable kernel with decent features
[06:34] <jbroome> when it works?
[06:34] <wangensh> huh
[06:34] <chowmeined> well they arent even working on one yet
[06:34] <wangensh> any news about kernel 2.8?
[06:35] <chowmeined> its not like its a secret
[06:35] <chowmeined> it would be available to the public as 2.7 development version
[06:35] <chowmeined> but currently they are using 2.6 to develop new stuff
[06:35] <chowmeined> which is also supposed to be the mainstream stable kernel.. it changes so much though
[06:35] <kde185> there won't be a 2.8 as far as anybody knows
[06:36] <chowmeined> but if you look at the changelogs for 2.4.. theres almost no bugs left
[06:36] <kde185> unless there is something so fundamental they have to change it breaks everything
[06:36] <chowmeined> they dont increase the version to impress people?
[06:36] <kde185> even then...Torvalds likes the new version scheme
[06:36] <kde185> heh
[06:36] <chowmeined> cmon.. the WOW starts NOW!
[06:37] <Dr_willis> Kernel2000!
[06:37] <chowmeined> i think that should be the slogan for 2.8
[06:37] <richw> Would be funny if it was
[06:37] <chowmeined> but it should have some new name
[06:37] <sonoftheclayr> chowmeined: the WOW REALLY starts NOW! you mean?
[06:37] <chowmeined> sonoftheclayr: good idea!
[06:37] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. Can someone help me fix the sound in my Enemy Territory?
[06:37] <richw> whens kernel 10 out?
[06:38] <chowmeined> no we need to drop this 'linux' name and move to something more trendy
[06:38] <wangensh> kernel xp!
[06:38] <Dr_willis> BeOsux!
[06:38] <richw> I think linux has a geeky reputation to it.. needs a new name
[06:38] <jbinder> make feisty come out already!
[06:38] <chowmeined> how about..
[06:38] <chowmeined> UNIX
[06:38] <jbinder> Why does it have to come out when I am sleeping?
[06:39] <chowmeined> oh way we could do retro
[06:39] <chowmeined> MULTIX
[06:39] <jbinder> then I miss the second it comes out and I wake up too late to start downloading because it's so slow.
[06:39] <paradon> Shaddox: http://snipurl.com/1h4yt
[06:39] <Dr_willis> jbinder,  thats why i installed the RC and just apt-get update/upgrade every night.
[06:40] <jdrake> Do you guys happen to remember the kde program that presented disk usage of directories in a pie chart?
[06:40] <chowmeined> kdrivespace?
[06:40] <Dr_willis> jdrake,  hmm i remer that..
[06:40] <Shaddox> paradon: OMFG. You win. :D
[06:40] <Dr_willis> theres a few others that do a similer thing. One used box's that i found easier to read.
[06:40] <Shaddox> paradon: I've been trying to fix sound for 3 days now! XD
[06:40] <chowmeined> does linux's software raid use device mapper?
[06:41] <jdrake> kdrivespace doesn't seem to exist
[06:41] <paradon> Shaddox: Took me a while before I thought of looking on wiki.ubuntu.com, too.
[06:42] <Shaddox> paradon: Well, i did it but it still doesnt work. I did see that exact error though. X_x
[06:43] <paradon> Shaddox: You do have alsa-oss installed, right?
[06:43] <Shaddox> paradon: Yeah, that was the first thing I tried, and it didn't work well.
[06:44] <Shaddox> paradon: Still just a lot of staticy bursts.
[06:44] <chowmeined> how is open source flash player going?
[06:44] <paradon> hrm... you're getting static noise?  That sounds like a different problem, then, I think.
[06:45] <Shaddox> paradon: Do I need to do 'aoss et' or just 'et'?
[06:45] <chowmeined> you arent doing: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp.. in a console somewhere are you?
[06:51] <paradon> Shaddox: Those two echo commands should make et use alsa-oss... but I guess there's no harm in trying aoss.
[06:51] <Epic720> So, does anyone in here care about feisty? Because "nope, we don't care about Feisty here, try #ubuntu+1 "
[06:51] <Shaddox> Ergh...screw it, I give up. >.<
[06:51] <paradon> Shaddox: You could try running et as root... that _shouldn't_ matter but I've had some et wierdness that running as root has fixed.
[06:51] <Shaddox> with a 'sudo'?
[06:51] <paradon> Yeah.
[06:51] <Shaddox> Nope.
[06:51] <chowmeined> Epic720: feisty is going to be awesome!!!
[06:51] <wangensh> 3d desktop can run on ibm thinkpad t43?
[06:51] <chowmeined> Epic720: and tomorrow everyone in #ubuntu will magically change into feisty lovers because it will be final and released
[06:51] <Epic720> Know a mirror I can DL it from?
[06:51] <protocol1> for those of us that are using beta....is there anything special we need to do to upgrade?
[06:51] <paradon> Shaddox: No idea, then :-(  You could try searching ubuntuforums.com... a lot of info on there.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> wangensh,  you refering to the package 3ddesktop?
[06:51] <Dr_willis> !info 3ddesktop
[06:51] <protocol1> or just update
[06:51] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-6 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 432 kB
[06:51] <chowmeined> Epic720: it hasnt been released as final yet
[06:51] <Epic720> I heard it was already released... and the people in#ubuntu pretty much told me to F off about feisty.......
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> See the /topic
[06:51] <Shaddox> Haha, well screw them
[06:51] <Shaddox> We were here first
[06:51] <Shaddox> We're special :D
[06:51] <wangensh> !info 3ddesktop
[06:51] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-6 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 432 kB
[06:51] <Dr_willis> wangensh,  that 3ddesktop is not worth messign with. :) its old.. and never worked very well..
[06:51] <Dr_willis> and its a pain.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> everyone askes about it because they always see it at the top of the package lists.
[06:51] <Epic720> when exactly will the final be released? Time? I want it. I WANT IT NOW!
[06:51] <Epic720> haha
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> Epic720: #ubuntu-release-party
[06:51] <Shaddox> join #ubuntu-release-party
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> This channel should remain discussion of issues with it.
[06:51] <Shaddox> that sounds like fun im in :D
[06:51] <Dr_willis> im allready using the rc. so  im in no hury :)
[06:51] <Shaddox> im on 20070414 daily build. ^^
[06:51] <wangensh> but 3ddesktop is beautful
[06:51] <pwuertz> question... you got a bunch of images... whats the best way to make a video using these still images... maybe adding a nice blending effect because the framerate would be too low...
[06:52] <wangensh> my thinkpad t43 use ati chipset
[06:52] <Dr_willis> wangensh,  its a  desktop switcher tool that dosent update like it should.. and is a pain to configure. and beryl has better features in that area :)
[06:53] <wangensh> beryl can run on my t43 ati chipset?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> No idea.
[06:53] <pwuertz> whats the chipset?
[06:53] <wangensh> :(
[06:53] <Dr_willis> i dont have laptop specs memorized :)
[06:53] <wangensh> ATI
[06:53] <Dr_willis> ati makes a lot of chipsets
[06:53] <pwuertz> when its below r300, you should be able to use it right away
[06:54] <wangensh> ATI mobility radeon x300
[06:54] <pwuertz> wangensh: you are using the ati drivers, or the one that came with xorg?
[06:55] <wangensh> i use xp now,want to use ubuntu 7.04
[06:55] <bofh80> after the last few updates, i can hear my harddrive doing something, but i can't see what, and the hdd light on the front don't flicker ..... a bit strange really . . .. ?? anyone notice anything similar?
[06:56] <taggie> wangensh, i'm running a t60p with ati x1600, i'm using compiz without trouble. getting it setup was not easy, but my wife's z60 with ati x300 worked right out of the box.
[06:56] <Shaddox> I'm on ATI Mobility radeon x200
[06:56] <Shaddox> Which is a piece of crap
[06:56] <Dr_willis> my x200 did not handle beryl very well.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> but normal X was ok :)
[06:56] <bofh80> oh and when it in, things go a bit odd, till it calms down a bit
[06:57] <pwuertz> wikipedia says, X300 -> chipset M22 -> based on R420
[06:58] <pwuertz> i think i read that R300 is the last one with opensource dri
[06:59] <pwuertz> so running beryl/compiz on a x300 should not work, unless you installed the ati drivers and xgl
[07:00] <Endler> Last time I tried the open source R300 driver, it really sucked bad.
[07:00] <pwuertz> yea.. on linux... you really should go for nvidia or intel
[07:01] <spikeb> intel should make cards damn it
[07:01] <spikeb> heh
[07:01] <Endler> I got so fed up with ATI, ponied up for an Nvidia card.
[07:01] <paradon> The open source ATi driver atm isn't too bad... ET is mostly playable... WoW in Wine isn't.
[07:01] <spikeb> and ATI sucks no matter what OS you use, as far as their own drivers go
[07:01] <Endler> Try using googleearth with the R300 driver.
[07:02] <pwuertz> uhm, could someone have a look at the question I asked earlier please :)
[07:02] <pwuertz> nobody knows how to animate still pictures?
[07:03] <Dhraakellian> so, when*reads topic* nm
[07:03] <bofh80> is there some sort of program to check my xorg.conf to make sure it's configured correctly for nvidia-glx ?
[07:03] <pwuertz> look for "nvidia" instead of "nv"
[07:03] <pwuertz> Driver section
[07:04] <paradon> hrm... yes, google earth is a bit sluggish :-(
[07:04] <pwuertz> google earth runs nicely with nvidia/intel
[07:06] <boyko> Hello.
[07:07] <boyko> So what's new in Feisty?  Plan to get it tomorrow and do a clean install.
[07:07] <Mithrandir> boyko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/7.04Tour has a list of some stuff.
[07:09] <Centaur5> I've been using Feisty for a couple months and my boot splash hasn't changed so how can I update that?
[07:09] <boyko> Any torrents of the ISO yet or am I too early?  There's some reports that you can download it.
[07:09] <pwuertz> you could load a daily
[07:09] <pwuertz> cdimages.ubuntu.com
[07:10] <pwuertz> daily-live
[07:12] <desync> that's what i'm doing
[07:13] <desync> kubuntu live dvd released on the 18th, can't see there being any changes
[07:13] <desync> been averageing 600kps since everyone's waiting for the final :)
[07:14] <MLimburg> hey .. can anyone help with a gnome issue .. i want to alter the default size of the "save" dialog so i can actually see the "Places" i have setup
[07:15] <MLimburg> googled for an hour .. no joy .. #gnome are silent .. #ubuntu has over 1000 people and nobody seems to know there .. driving me batty
[07:15] <MLimburg> yes i'm using feisty
[07:16] <pwuertz> oh right... i second that question...
[07:16] <r00tintheb0x> ok i love Deluge torrent client.
[07:16] <r00tintheb0x> what question
[07:16] <pwuertz> the default SaveDialog size is too small here
[07:16] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[07:16] <MLimburg> i'd be happy in just doubling the height of it
[07:16] <pwuertz> i can resize it, but next time the dialog opens, its small again
[07:16] <r00tintheb0x> save dialog of what?
[07:16] <pwuertz> gnome
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> like when you log out?>
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> or what.
[07:17] <MLimburg> one example .. firefox .. save image as ..
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> aaaah
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> that one.
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> on any app?
[07:17] <pwuertz> rooneyyy: any app
[07:17] <pwuertz> like gedit
[07:17] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> yea?
[07:18] <pwuertz> oops
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[07:18] <MLimburg> it calls the standard gnome save dialog
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> so if you're in gedit, and you go...
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> file>save
[07:18] <MLimburg> File | Save as ..
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> then the box that pops up is too small?
[07:18] <pwuertz> right
[07:18] <MLimburg> you get two and half lines (in my case)
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> i see.
[07:19] <magicfab> perhaps it's in gconf-editor ?
[07:19] <pwuertz> http://www.students.uni-mainz.de/pwuertz/img/gnome_save_small.png
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> Using the default GTK Theme?
[07:19] <MLimburg> magicfab, not that i've seen
[07:19] <pwuertz> yep
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> Weird, and its only the save dialog?
[07:19] <magicfab> gotta go
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> later magicfab
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[07:19] <pwuertz> indeed
[07:19] <MLimburg> open file is fine
[07:19] <pwuertz> the open dialog is just fine
[07:20] <r00tintheb0x> ok i see the screen shot
[07:20] <r00tintheb0x> i dont see what you mean by you saying its too small though
[07:20] <r00tintheb0x> are you talking about the window border?
[07:20] <MLimburg> no
[07:20] <MLimburg> see how there's two lines in places
[07:20] <MLimburg> two and a touch in files
[07:21] <pwuertz> you can only see 2 items in the list
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> OOOHHHH
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> LOL!
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> Its your screen resolution.
[07:21] <pwuertz> normally, the size of file dialogs should be large enough to show you a decent number of files... like 10
[07:21] <MLimburg> i'm in 1440x900
[07:21] <pwuertz> 1600x1200
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> wth
[07:22] <pwuertz> as we said... the open dialog is just fine
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> paste me your xorg.conf
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[07:22] <T0uCH> 
[07:22] <T0uCH> (01:04:40)  T0uCH:  if i wanna format c drive in windows and linux files (ubuntu and kubuntu).. i just wanna keep "hda5" in linux whicj is "d:" in windows and replace my currents version of windows AND Ubuntu/kubuntu .. what you suggest me to do???? I am really newbie the simple is the right thing.. please help me... Thanks...i want feisty only
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, have you heard of anyone else having this problem?
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> anything in logs?
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> do you know what logs to check?
[07:22] <pwuertz> http://rafb.net/p/HLMwWN82.html
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> ok PWill
[07:23] <MLimburg> sigh
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> oops
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz,
[07:23] <MLimburg> pastebin is dying again
[07:23] <pwuertz> no, I dont know there is a logfile for gnome file dialog open actions ^^
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> can you expand the window by dragging the corner pwuertz ?
[07:23] <pwuertz> right
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> i just made mine look like yours by making the window smaller
[07:23] <MLimburg> yeah can resize the dialog .. but it doesnt remember the size
[07:24] <r00tintheb0x> aah
[07:24] <r00tintheb0x> THAT i can work with.
[07:24] <jason0_> So when I do a update-manager and install new dist it doesn't say anything about a development snapshot, am I upgrading to the final version?
[07:24] <r00tintheb0x> weird
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> jason0_, i dont know
[07:25] <pwuertz> maybe we should try #gnome ^^
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, you've got me on that one... i tried resizing it then closing it and opening it back up
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> same size
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> then i tried opening a file then closing it, then opening it back up
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> same size.
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> you can try dpkg-reconfigure maybe,.
[07:25] <r00tintheb0x> or try in gnome.
[07:26] <MLimburg> tried gnome
[07:26] <pwuertz> MLimburg: when?
[07:26] <r00tintheb0x> who's original issue is it?
[07:26] <r00tintheb0x> MLimburg, or pwuertz ?
[07:26] <MLimburg> an hour ago .. an hour before that .. an hour again before that
[07:26] <pwuertz> we dont know each other
[07:26] <MLimburg> place is dead
[07:26] <r00tintheb0x> both of you have the same problem?
[07:26] <pwuertz> Ive been living with this bug for weeks
[07:27] <pwuertz> never paid much attention to it
[07:27] <MLimburg> its been bugging the hell out of me for days now :P
[07:27] <pwuertz> didnt expected anybody else having this kind of problem ^^
[07:27] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, i havent totally read this but: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2461803
[07:27] <MLimburg> had enough, so i started looking for a solution
[07:27] <r00tintheb0x> i understand that guys :)
[07:27] <r00tintheb0x> im sure there's an answer
[07:28] <MLimburg> kk thanks for the link
[07:28] <MLimburg> will see what i can hack as a temp fix
[07:28] <r00tintheb0x> right
[07:29] <r00tintheb0x> thats something that can be reset or something
[07:29] <r00tintheb0x> im sure it can be repaired :)
[07:29] <r00tintheb0x> http://www.google.com/search?q=feisty+gnome+window+size+remember&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=Swiftfox:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[07:29] <r00tintheb0x> try googling that google link too
[07:30] <pwuertz> proof: kde got better file dialogs ^^
[07:30] <pwuertz> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421813
[07:30] <ubotu> Gnome bug 421813 in GtkFileChooser "GtkFilechooser size unusable" [Minor,Unconfirmed] 
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> and there we go
[07:31] <MLimburg> if it wasnt for the fact that i dislike KDE ....
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> hehe
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> i know, i do oto
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> MLimburg, feisty i presume?
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[07:31] <MLimburg> got an Intel 965 motherboard .. no choice but to use fiesty ;)
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> aah
[07:31] <r00tintheb0x> hehe
[07:32] <pwuertz> well... we could try to kill off our gnome configuration
[07:32] <pwuertz> dont know if deleting .gconf is sufficient
[07:32] <pwuertz> or add another user and see if the dialog is ok
[07:32] <MLimburg> hmm
[07:32] <pwuertz> then the bug is definately somewhere in the gnome registry
[07:32] <MLimburg> latter probably got more chance
[07:33] <pwuertz> ^^
[07:33] <r00tintheb0x> i think adding a new user would be a better test method
[07:33] <r00tintheb0x> yeah
[07:33] <Linoleum> is it out now?
[07:33] <pwuertz> "switch user" will keep myself logged in right?
[07:34] <MLimburg> Linoleum, Please wait/ask/anticipate in #ubuntu-release-party
[07:34] <MLimburg> should do
[07:34] <r00tintheb0x> MLimburg, Compiz/Beryl?
[07:34] <MLimburg> r00tintheb0x, yeah
[07:34] <MLimburg> Beryl
[07:34] <Linoleum> MLimburg, tkx mate
[07:35] <r00tintheb0x> MLimburg, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2470957
[07:36] <r00tintheb0x> ack
[07:36] <r00tintheb0x> nevermind MLimburg irrelevant
[07:36] <MLimburg> rofl
[07:36] <MLimburg> i just thread the thread twice going .. what the hell is he going on about ..
[07:36] <MLimburg> thinking i missed something hehe
[07:37] <r00tintheb0x> haha
[07:37] <r00tintheb0x> sorry
[07:37] <r00tintheb0x> lolol
[07:38] <r00tintheb0x> MLimburg, what if you use metacity instead of beryl?
[07:38] <r00tintheb0x> same problem?
[07:38] <pwuertz> hmpf
[07:38] <pwuertz> beryl does not survive switching screens
[07:39] <pwuertz> ok.... new user... "same" bug
[07:39] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, are you using beryl also?
[07:39] <pwuertz> yes
[07:39] <pwuertz> when you open your first dialog... you wont see any files, they are hidden
[07:39] <jnc> err, maybe my question is more appropriate here.  'libsmbios-bin' does not actually install things to /usr/sbin, even though they are in the package
[07:39] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, when beryl is disabled is it still too small?
[07:39] <r00tintheb0x> or
[07:39] <r00tintheb0x> doesn't retain its size?
[07:39] <pwuertz> you hit "expand"... then you see a normal save dialog
[07:40] <pwuertz> if you close and open a expanded dialog... its small
[07:40] <MLimburg> its beryl
[07:40] <pwuertz> oh my
[07:40] <MLimburg> just flicked to metacity
[07:41] <pwuertz> right
[07:41] <pwuertz> I see
[07:41] <pwuertz> shit ^^
[07:41] <r00tintheb0x> hgeheh
[07:41] <pwuertz> seems to work with beryl
[07:41] <pwuertz> er
[07:41] <pwuertz> I mean compiz
[07:41] <r00tintheb0x> interesting.
[07:42] <jnc> the 'smibios-bin' thing that has a manual page is not an actual command, nor does it list any helpful info, and is in fact listed as the manual page for "WX-CONSOLE(1)" whatever that is
[07:42] <MLimburg> i just tried compiz .. same as beryl ..
[07:42] <r00tintheb0x> is there a more recent beryl than what you're using?
[07:42] <jnc> someone did a crappy job at packaging smibios-bin :/
[07:42] <MLimburg> sorry jnc .. dont know ..
[07:42] <r00tintheb0x> jnc, rewrite it! :D
[07:42] <jnc> it's all so confusing, and different from debian though
[07:42] <MLimburg> i'm using stock ubuntu beryl/compiz/etc
[07:42] <pwuertz> rooneyyy: dont think so... I'm using the beryl repository
[07:42] <jnc> why fix stuff that ain't broke
[07:42] <jnc> I don't get it
[07:43] <pwuertz> ubuntu doesnt have beryl in repository
[07:43] <pwuertz> or did they add it?
[07:43] <jnc> on a whole Ubuntu feisty is shaping up to be very pleasant
[07:43] <alka_trash> Hey we should all digg that Michael Dell uses Ubuntu! http://digg.com/linux_unix/Michael_Dell_uses_Ubuntu
[07:43] <jnc> my 80+ some years old grandfather loves it
[07:44] <jnc> that's saying a lot, he has been using microsoft crap for 20 years
[07:44] <pwuertz> loool
[07:44] <alka_trash> sorry for the spam, I just couldn't help it
[07:44] <hylje> does this channel become the G version channel when feisty goes live? :>
[07:44] <pwuertz> with compiz, the new save dialog size has been saved once
[07:44] <jnc> alka_trash: I found it to be significant that it is his home pc's OS of choice, you know, he doesn't list any microsoft product as being used on the home pc
[07:45] <jnc> no where does it impact his business operations
[07:45] <pwuertz> then I close the dialog... open the dialog.... like 5 times... and suddenly... Its small again ^^
[07:45] <MLimburg> hylje, yes
[07:45] <hylje> what's on the roadmap for g
[07:45] <pwuertz> hopefully xrandr 1.2 !
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> pwuertz, no but there are maintained repositories for beryl.
[07:46] <alka_trash> pwuertz: I agree, I hope this get hardware manufactures into gear ( Hello ATI )
[07:46] <jnc> ATI has been lagging even for windows users
[07:46] <jnc> :/
[07:46] <pwuertz> alka_trash: I gave up on ati along time ago... if you want nice opensource drivers... go for intel... if you need power... its nvidia
[07:46] <jnc> the
[07:46] <jnc> whoops mischat
[07:47] <ANTDx1> Hello
[07:47] <r00tintheb0x> yeah my desktop is intel
[07:47] <ANTDx1> Does anyone know how to change the mouse bindings in beryl?  I can't get scale to work like it used to
[07:47] <robot> hi
[07:47] <jnc> pwuertz: agreed.  there is also the option of the open soruce graphics initiative, which has a prototype and commitment to order (if you're really into that kind of thing) so it's no longer vaporware
[07:47] <r00tintheb0x> and my lappy ATI (older ATI)
[07:47] <spikeb> ooh they DO?
[07:47] <purpleposeidon> yes, nx does, in fact rock socks.
[07:47] <pwuertz> that nuvea reverse enginered nvidia driver?
[07:48] <spikeb> jnc, but is there a driver in X yet?> heh
[07:48] <pwuertz> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Nouveau_Companion_8
[07:49] <pwuertz> they are already rendering triangles ^^
[07:49] <jnc> spikeb: oh that I'm not sure about, their prototypes are focused around developing the board-level logic last I read
[07:49] <robot> I'm using Feisty and compiz is enabled. I have a problem with FireFox: when scrolling down and then logging UP the page doesn't refresh properly. Touching the title bar causes a proper redraw. Ideas?
[07:49] <spikeb> once they have something out that has a driver, i'll be interested heh
[07:49] <robot> s/logging/scrolling/
[07:49] <jnc> robot: gecko-related, that's all I could guess about
[07:50] <robot> hmm. disabling compiz makes problem go away
[07:50] <spikeb> robot, then it's a compiz bug, or a firefox hates compiz bug
[07:51] <jnc> firefox dev or Xgl dev could spill more info on a technical nature after you've found the bug, until then I might try asking a dev from the windowmanager you're using
[07:51] <jcole>  /j #ubuntu-release-party
[07:51] <robot> 'k, thx
[07:52] <jnc> spikeb: For very rudimentary GL with open source drivers, I've been pleased with intel hardware and also early ATI hardware (radeon 8500, radeon 9100)
[07:52] <jnc> my radeon 9700xt even does basic GL but it has a lot of triangle fill bugs
[07:52] <spikeb> jnc, i've had good experiences with intel stuff and also the radeon 9200
[07:52] <jnc> mad respect to the r300 team
[07:53] <jnc> spikeb: :)   funny thing about the radeon 9200, it's a repackaged 9000
[07:53] <spikeb> jnc, hah, im not surprised
[07:53] <jnc> the 8500 is repackaged as the 9100
[07:54] <Mithrandir> jnc: sure?  My 9200 has worse performance than my 8500
[07:54] <GeekChick|> Hey everyone. Is anyone else having trouble with the networkmanager applet in feisty fawn? I have the intel proset 3945 abg. It works if i turn it to manual mode, but whenever I try to do it with the fancy new dropdown menu where it shows available networks, it will not accept the network password, no matter what options i select.
[07:55] <jnc> GeekChick|: networkmanager is sort of error prone, it's not even 1 year in development
[07:55] <MLimburg> well, that didnt work >.>
[07:55] <jnc> GeekChick|: sorry.  it's great when it does work, heh
[07:55] <r00tintheb0x> GeekChick|, good explanation, but i have no clue...
[07:55] <BHSPitMonkey> would upgrading via apt be a troublesome approach
[07:55] <GeekChick|> jnc, yah, but does that mean feisty fawn now has an utterly useless feature for one of the most common network chips in laptops?
[07:56] <jnc> GeekChick|: probably.  though there is no shortage of geek folk who will spend a great deal of time and effort to genuinely try to help ya out and work around it
[07:56] <spikeb> just wish intel made actual cards, not just chipsets heh
[07:56] <jcole> GeekChick|: is partly evil
[07:56] <GeekChick|> jnc, haha, it will involve me disconnecting A LOT.
[07:57] <jcole> GeekChick|: network-manager
[07:57] <GeekChick|> i dont have another connection to interwebs right now
[07:57] <jnc> GeekChick|: that is sadly funny
[07:57] <jcole> GeekChick|: network-manager is tempermental at times
[07:57] <GeekChick|> jnc, oh joy. im glad you enjoy my misery.
[07:57] <DPic> Apparently, in the first two weeks, Microsoft has only been able to sell 244 genuine copies of their Windows Vista OS in all of China. http://slashdot.org/articles/07/04/18/1512216.shtml
[07:57] <jnc> I remember a day, maybe 10 years ago, when I did the similar thing trying to make ppp-chap scripts work to connect using a *modem* to my ISP
[07:58] <jnc> "hold on, I have to disconnect to try this" -=click=-
[07:58] <GeekChick|> So, has anyone gotten it to accept WEP and/or WPA passwords when you use the fancy dropdown menu where it shows available networks and signal strengths. I select the network, it brings up its popup window asking for the password and the type. i enter the password, its 100% correct, i know this to be a fact, and no matter what type i select, it just disapears and never connects.
[07:58] <GeekChick|> manual mode works perfectly -- using it now
[07:59] <r00tintheb0x> wORd!
[07:59] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[07:59] <r00tintheb0x> i need to get a better computer so i can install feisty
[07:59] <bofh80> GeekChick|, i don't like it, but i seen it working with WPA-PSK yes. i prefer wpa_gui
[07:59] <jnc> GeekChick|: my first inkling and/or suspicion is "do you have gnome keyring set up properly?"  though I have no idea how you would check if it is or not
[07:59] <GeekChick|> r00tintheb0x, i'll bitch about beryl +ati mobility radeon later ;)
[08:00] <GeekChick|> jnc, never even used the damn thing :)
[08:00] <r00tintheb0x> hehe GeekChick|
[08:00] <sharp> if anybody is waiting for the new release and wants to get to bed: http://sharph.net/download_ubuntu_livecd.sh.txt http://sharph.net/download_ubuntu_alternate.sh.txt
[08:00] <alka_trash> anyone running 64bit? is it worth it?
[08:00] <`ph8> hey guys! i've recently updated to the latest feisty (been using feisty for quite some time, so this was just a routine dist-upgrade) and suddenly ever dialog doesn't have a titlebar anymore! sounds weird i know.. so i can resize windows but not move them or close them with the X (because there's no titlebar)
[08:01] <r00tintheb0x> i dont understand the peoples thinking geeking about Feisty.
[08:01] <jnc> GeekChick|: at least for my grandfather's computer, I had to make sure that something calling itself the gnome keyring manager, it would be authenticated (typing in a password to give access to applications which wished to store/retrieve passwords)
[08:01] <r00tintheb0x> alka_trash, sun64 yes.
[08:01] <r00tintheb0x> intel no
[08:01] <alka_trash> r00tintheb0x: how about AMD?
[08:01] <r00tintheb0x> alka_trash, i was joking
[08:01] <GeekChick|> jnc, where's the keyring at? and what does the root password have to do with the network manager? it never asks for it in manual mode, why should it care in this new fancy mode?
[08:01] <alka_trash> oh
[08:02] <r00tintheb0x> normally, a 64 bit is always better than a 32 bit.
[08:02] <alka_trash> damn I must be getting tired
[08:02] <`ph8> any ideas anyone?
[08:02] <jnc> GeekChick|: that "root password" may in fact be the keyring manager?  just a guess...  looking now for where this is at
[08:02] <`ph8> makes the whole desktop system unuseable
[08:02] <Mithrandir> r00tintheb0x: no, actually not.  It's usually slower, except for amd64 which is usually faster because of a higher number of registers over i386.
[08:02] <jnc> annnd... my wireless mouse died.   thank god for ctrl+shift+keypadnumlock
[08:02] <r00tintheb0x> once again, normally, a 64 bit is always better than a 32 bit.
[08:03] <r00tintheb0x> normally i say NORMALLY!
[08:03] <MLimburg> heh
[08:03] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[08:03] <GeekChick|> jnc, i found it. System -> Administration -> Keyring Manager
[08:03] <MLimburg> i'm staying 32bit for a while longer
[08:03] <Mithrandir> r00tintheb0x: yes, and that's incorrect. :-P  It's only true for amd64, not for sparc or hppa for instance.
[08:03] <jnc> r00tintheb0x: yes, amd64 ftw.  No more flash advertisements.
[08:04] <jnc> oh wait, gnash.  damn
[08:04] <jnc> now I ONLY get flash advertisements
[08:04] <MLimburg> see, i enjoy youtube and flash games etc
[08:04] <MLimburg> adblock for the win
[08:04] <spikeb> swfdec can do youtube
[08:04] <MLimburg> so i get what i want
[08:04] <MLimburg> plus .. gaming is not a happy place in 64bit land
[08:05] <r00tintheb0x> aah Mithrandir i stand corrected.
[08:05] <GeekChick|> jnc, it also seems the fancy menu as i call it only works in "Roaming Mode."
[08:05] <r00tintheb0x> i reckon
[08:05] <r00tintheb0x> what is better i guess, is the true question.
[08:05] <MLimburg> every time i've gone 64bit, i've been bitten in the arse .. and usually atleast once a day
[08:05] <r00tintheb0x> or "better" i should say
[08:05] <GeekChick|> and unsurprisingly, it lacks documentation, entirely. ;)
[08:05] <MLimburg> i do want to go 64 .. last cpu was a nice AMD, and currently on Intel Duo ..
[08:06] <`ph8> can anyone see this? just checking
[08:06] <r00tintheb0x> yeah
[08:06] <jnc> GeekChick|: This keyring manager looks like what I messed with before to get wifi working
[08:06] <MLimburg> yup
[08:06] <r00tintheb0x> i have a p3 1ghz
[08:06] <r00tintheb0x> with 256mb of ram
[08:06] <r00tintheb0x> w00t
[08:06] <MLimburg> heh
[08:06] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[08:06] <`ph8> i've just ordered a quad core extreme w/4gb ram and 768mb xtx8800 nvidia
[08:07] <GeekChick|> jnc, but wifi works, just not with the fancy dropdown. i have to go into Administration -> Networking and do it manually.
[08:07] <`ph8> and a 24" screen
[08:07] <r00tintheb0x> and its swappin like gypsies in a forest
[08:07] <`ph8> it's gonna be glorious
[08:07] <GeekChick|> whats the keyring manager fix? how? and do i have to make a new key?
[08:07] <MLimburg> nice spec `ph8
[08:07] <MLimburg> thats my next jump
[08:07] <MLimburg> next year
[08:07] <`ph8> ty :-)
[08:07] <MLimburg> heh
[08:07] <`ph8> this machine should last me four years + i reckon
[08:08] <`ph8> it's my first proper foray into desktoping
[08:08] <jnc> GeekChick|: i'm going to have to ask google for that one, I have no laptop to play with now
[08:08] <`ph8> has anyone got any inkling about why i have no titlebars?
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> my desktop is a p4 3.2ghz
[08:08] <`ph8> i'm going to have to use windows all day if i can't figure it out
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> it WAS fast in its time.
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> :'(
[08:08] <`ph8> and windows is for the gays
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> YES!
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> you're right.
[08:08] <`ph8> hehe
[08:08] <`ph8> i remember having a pentium 200Mhz with MMX
[08:08] <r00tintheb0x> ph8, whats the issue you're trying to figure out?
[08:08] <spikeb> heh
[08:09] <GeekChick|> jnc, well ill be back in 5 minutes. im going to fiddle with the dropdown a bit more. :(
[08:09] <`ph8> none of my windows have titlebars after my last dist-upgrade
[08:09] <`ph8> so i can't move them
[08:09] <`ph8> but i can resize them with the bottom right corner
[08:09] <r00tintheb0x> ph8, sounds like an incomplete upgrade...
[08:09] <`ph8> i've changed my active xorg.conf to an old one that i know works
[08:09] <r00tintheb0x> are you sure everything was done?
[08:09] <`ph8> hmm i've tried another dist-upgrade (no available packages) - shouldn't it warn me?
[08:09] <jnc> I wish a geeky chick would fiddle with my dropdown ... nevermind
[08:10] <`ph8> lol
[08:10] <letronje> hey when is fiesty getting released ?
[08:10] <`ph8> letronje: see topic
[08:10] <jnc> frustrated with the lack of cohesion in pro audio apps tonight
[08:10] <letronje> thnx
[08:11] <r00tintheb0x> aaand... xchat in edgy crashes.
[08:12] <jnc> everything is like, ./configure && make && make install || scons && scons install || unzip $1 && cd ${1/.zip/} && cd unix && ../make && cp -a IncapableOfProjectManagement/usr/bin/* /usr/bin -i
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> anyone ever get apollon and all (productive) plugins working efficiently?
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> jnc, solaris?
[08:12] <Pitel> so, where is 7.04 will exactly be released?
[08:12] <jnc> r00tintheb0x: feisty.
[08:13] <r00tintheb0x> ah
[08:13] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[08:13] <MLimburg> Pitel, Please wait/ask/anticipate in #ubuntu-release-party
[08:13] <jnc> r00tintheb0x: pro audio stuff like softsynth plugins, DAW, etc.
[08:13] <r00tintheb0x> i just read what you typed
[08:13] <r00tintheb0x> hahah
[08:13] <RAOF> jnc: You've checked out the ubuntustudio-audio pacakge, I presume :)
[08:13] <jnc> RAOF: I don't need a god damn candy raver theme to make me more productive
[08:13] <jnc> sorry.  that's an emotionally charged rant
[08:13] <r00tintheb0x> candy raver
[08:14] <r00tintheb0x> hehe
[08:14] <RAOF> I wasn't talking about the theme.  Just the metapackage :)
[08:14] <jnc> RAOF: :)  I may try it
[08:14] <`ph8> ah it works in failsafe
[08:14] <`ph8> i'll see if the next update fixes it i guess
[08:14] <jnc> wammmm waaaaahhmmmmmm bad-um
[08:14] <r00tintheb0x> http://www.tourettesguy.com/ rocks!
[08:15] <jnc> RAOF: what I would like from a "metapackage" distro on top of feisty is some like, voicemanagement for soft synths, detection of hardware synths, a studio planner that it takes and automatically builds templates for you
[08:16] <r00tintheb0x> work time.
[08:16] <r00tintheb0x> brb
[08:17] <jnc> you know real useable features.  packages that I can't get or easily compile in feisty (like wired),  ports of older plugins to l2.   it's nice that people work so hard on themecandy but it doesn't help me to sit down with a 61-key midi controller and jam
[08:18] <GeekChick|> jnc, no go. Still being stupid.
[08:18] <jnc> GeekChick|: kill it with fire
[08:18] <jnc> :/
[08:18] <GeekChick|> ?
[08:19] <jnc> I get mad at my computers sometimes, don't you?
[08:19] <GeekChick|> I am still not sure what to do with keyring manager. so i tried making the name of the key my ESSID, and the key, the key for network. but that didnt work
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x> jnc, the build-essentials package doesn't suffice?
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x> GeekChick|, i rarely use wireless, sorry...
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x> check the forums is all i can recommend.
[08:20] <jnc> GeekChick|: as I recall it was either session or application based, so like you'd have a keyring named "default" and that has its own password to unlock, when you connect to a new network the network manager asks you for your password to the keyring, then sets a key/value pair inside that keyring
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x> lol RAOF
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x> swords eh?
[08:21] <r00tintheb0x> who loves Sanjaya?
[08:21] <RAOF> Generally one slashes with a sword.  Much more elegant.
[08:21] <jnc> r00tintheb0x: a lot of nice audio-related code targets redhat 7.3 for reasons unknown to man
[08:21] <r00tintheb0x> true... but the brutality of a stab...
[08:21] <GeekChick|> then the problem is that the key i enter into the network manager isnt being stored in the keyring manager?
[08:21] <r00tintheb0x> jesus god
[08:22] <r00tintheb0x> jnc, use oldschool slackware
[08:22] <r00tintheb0x> that'd be hot like sayce.
[08:22] <r00tintheb0x> sauce*
[08:22] <jnc> GeekChick|: that sounds like a good hypothesis, I like it
[08:22] <jnc> now, how to convince networkmanager to play nice?  hmmm
[08:22] <GeekChick|> jnc, but manual mode works and enters nothing into keyring manager
[08:22] <jnc> GeekChick|: manual mode remembers the WPA key or no?
[08:23] <jnc> (wep/wpa?)
[08:23] <GeekChick|> jnc, yah, every boot up its auto connected
[08:23] <r00tintheb0x> GeekChick|, http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=18214343
[08:25] <jnc> why does only Apple get this stuff right
[08:25] <GeekChick|> jnc, windows xp does it perfectly.
[08:25] <GeekChick|> out of the box
[08:26] <jcole> GeekChick|: apt-get install wifi-manager
[08:26] <jcole> GeekChick|: apt-get remove network-manager
[08:26] <GeekChick|> jcole, tab complete sucks. takes me to wifi-radar
[08:26] <jnc> heh.   lucky for you, I had to use a windows xp install on a laptop this last week (openvpn configuration testing), it was a battle of wsz fighting for domminance over the DLink Wireless Manager
[08:26] <jcole> GeekChick|: exactly
[08:26] <jcole> GeekChick|: wifi-radar
[08:27] <r00tintheb0x> aptitude search wifi
[08:27] <jnc> uhh
[08:27] <mtholdenss> anyone know what is delaying 7.04?
[08:27] <jnc> this should work using network-manager, y'all
[08:27] <GeekChick|> jcole, so is it wifi-radar or wifi-manager?
[08:27] <jcole> GeekChick|: wifi-radar is what i use, just don't bork the config file
[08:27] <r00tintheb0x> mtholdenss, D's is
[08:28] <mtholdenss> whats D's?
[08:28] <r00tintheb0x> w00t
[08:28] <GeekChick|> ummm what is wifiradar evil for?
[08:28] <jnc> it's like oldschool program for listing available networks
[08:28] <jnc> not integrated at all
[08:29] <GeekChick|> jnc, but if it works . . .
[08:29] <jcole> jnc: wifi-radar is a little evil but works more of the time than network-manager does
[08:29] <jcole> network-manager tries to use dbus
[08:29] <jnc> GeekChick|: I might first suggest checking out the info @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=412378&highlight=Keyring+Manager
[08:30] <mtholdenss> r00tintheb0x: whats D's?
[08:30] <jnc> there's info about how to possibly reset that gnome keyring -  which is useful to know and try in conjunction with network-manager issues
[08:30] <jcole> network-manager doesn't seem to work well with ndiswrapper either...
[08:30] <jnc> hm
[08:31] <jnc> jcole: is that chipset GeekChick| uses operating under ndiswrapper?
[08:31] <GeekChick|> jnc, absolutely not.
[08:31] <GeekChick|> Intel ProSET 3945 ABG
[08:31] <jcole> GeekChick|: lspci | grep -i net
[08:32] <nizo> hi all
[08:32] <GeekChick|> 0b:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[08:32] <GeekChick|> as i said, 3945
[08:32] <jcole> $ lspci | grep -i net
[08:32] <jcole> 02:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
[08:32] <jcole> 02:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705M_2 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03)
[08:33] <nizo> i want to know what variable should i use in mysql to make linux read the table names in small letters ?
[08:33] <jnc> nizo: uh.
[08:33] <nizo> what is it jnc
[08:33] <jcole> nizo: you mean non case sensitive?
[08:33] <nizo> yes
[08:34] <jnc> LOWERCASE() or something?
[08:34] <nizo> where to put that ?
[08:34] <jcole> GeekChick|: you may need to reboot to unhook network-manager from dbus
[08:35] <jnc> hm
[08:35] <GeekChick|> jcole, dbus?
[08:35] <jcole> GeekChick|: /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[08:36] <nizo> so any ideas ?
[08:36] <jnc> GeekChick|: so, there's an inter-process signaling system called "D-Bus" which interacts with HAL (hardware manager basicly), and so network-manager is written to send signals to D-Bus which then interacts with HAL for triggering settings on your wifi hardware
[08:36] <GeekChick|> jcole, yes but it does whast?
[08:37] <GeekChick|> jnc, jcole is it possible its stuck in a config file somewhere with a bad password?
[08:37] <GeekChick|> where does network manager store the configuration
[08:37] <jnc> GeekChick|: if you want wifi-radar, it goes old school and doesn't try to use D-Bus.   So, you'd have to disable network-manager to use wifi-radar
[08:38] <jnc> GeekChick|: network-manager should store its configuration in two places, the passwords *should* be in the gnome-keyring (you found the manager for that one already), and the config settings I think are in the "gconf" database (use gconf-editor to edit)
[08:38] <jnc> GeekChick|: I don't think network-manager has plain file configuration, not that I know of.
[08:39] <RAOF> jnc: Broadly true, but I don't think N-M actually interacts with HAL at all?  And it shouldn't mess with anything configured in any other way.
[08:39] <GeekChick|> jnc, yah but its not where it should be according to the thread you linked to. According to the topic you sent it should be "the Configuration Editor and then to /system/networking/wireless/networks. Select the network with the mistaken key, right click the entries, and unset the key."
[08:39] <jnc> IIRC there's some back-end work so that a running wpa-supplicant instance interacts with HAL and/or D-Bus
[08:40] <jnc> GeekChick|: I wonder where it is then
[08:40] <GeekChick|> the setting simply isnt there :(
[08:40] <jcole> GeekChick|: dbus is a data bus implementation to try to control and monitor stuff like network
[08:40] <GeekChick|> i did edit, find, for "network"
[08:40] <GeekChick|> and it only comes up with gnome-games
[08:40] <jnc> GeekChick|: good call
[08:40] <jnc> is '/system/networking/wireless' there?
[08:41] <GeekChick|> jnc, the only mention of wireless is "/apps/panel/default_setup/applets/wireless"
[08:41] <GeekChick|> and there's no list of networks
[08:42] <jnc> GeekChick|: might I ask when approximately the last time you did an update of packages was?
[08:42] <jnc> just to be sure we're on the same page here
[08:42] <GeekChick|> jnc, earlier today -- about 5 hours ago
[08:42] <GeekChick|> i installed feisty fawn
[08:42] <jnc> okay sweet
[08:42] <jcole> GeekChick|: what is the problem exactly
[08:42] <jnc> i'm rollin' with network-manager 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 here
[08:43] <GeekChick|> oy... jnc is it in your chat buffer? ive quit the channel multiple times.
[08:43] <GeekChick|> i dont want to type my question again lol.
[08:43] <jnc> GeekChick|: sure :)
[08:45] <jnc> jcole: http://rafb.net/p/iE9Rrs40.html
[08:45] <r00tintheb0x_> im stuck
[08:45] <GeekChick|> jnc, thank you.
[08:45] <jnc> I <3 screen.
[08:45] <jnc> back to poking network-manager
[08:46] <r00tintheb0x> collision
[08:47] <GeekChick|> When I use "manual mode" by going to System -> Networks and physically enter the SSID and key, it works, and im connected with that now, but this new "network-manager" refuses to accept my key.
[08:47] <GeekChick|> im wondering if its stuck with an old key somewhere
[08:47] <GeekChick|> which is why i asked where it stores its settings
[08:47] <jnc> GeekChick|: is this WEP or WPA ?
[08:48] <GeekChick|> jnc, both. ive got two wireless routers, one on each.
[08:48] <GeekChick|> lol
[08:48] <jnc> ah okay
[08:49] <jcole> GeekChick|: want a sure and quick way to get it to work?
[08:49] <jnc> well see there's support for WEP configuration inbuilt to the very basic 'iwconfig' network device tools, which competes with the wpa-supplicant daemon that is needed for WPA authentication.  We can check to see if say there's more than 1 copy of wpa-supplicant running
[08:49] <noget> hey everyvody. Can anybody tell me if there exists a terminal program to control music?
[08:49] <GeekChick|> jcole, yes
[08:50] <jnc> noget: there's a few means to do that
[08:50] <jcole> GeekChick|: sudo edit /etc/network/interfaces
[08:50] <noget> jnc: and these are? :)
[08:51] <jnc> noget: do you want to control a gui app, or have a daemon running which plays music
[08:51] <jcole> GeekChick|: and put something like this in it --> http://pastebin.ca/447667
[08:51] <jcole> GeekChick|: where eth0 is your wifi and eth1 is your lan
[08:52] <GeekChick|> jcole, yah. like i said, i can connect if i do WEP using the system -> administration -> network window, but not WPA. and not with the network-manager applet.
[08:52] <noget> jnc: as far as my knowledge to "daemons" reaches, i think it is the latter... i dont want to control any GUI at least
[08:52] <jnc> GeekChick|: that is vital to know!   :)
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> noget: mpd
[08:53] <GeekChick|> jnc, i said it earlier 3 times
[08:53] <jnc> sorry I'm a guy, I have a short attention span for talk
[08:53] <Jordan_U> How do I make VLC open when I insert a DVD instead of totem?
[08:53] <jnc> Jordan_U: "preferred apps" I think
[08:54] <GeekChick|> Jordan_U, should be able to right click on the DVD and go to properties and go to the "open" tab
[08:54] <GeekChick|> or that . . .
[08:54] <jnc> GeekChick|: okay so wpa-supplicant is the thing we look for
[08:54] <noget> tonyyarusso: thanks, ill try that :)
[08:54] <Zic> ubuntu.com is dead ? It's smell Feisty :)
[08:54] <jnc> GeekChick|: for wpa-supplicant to function, your network device needs to be configured to accept any SSID
[08:54] <GeekChick|> E: Couldn't find package wpa-supplicant
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> GeekChick|: I don't think it has a hyphen in the name
[08:55] <GeekChick|> heh, wpasupplicant is apparently part of feisty
[08:55] <GeekChick|> its already installed.
[08:55] <jcole> GeekChick|: wifi-radar does wpa
[08:55] <jnc> yep should already be on there
[08:55] <jnc> GeekChick|: now we check to see if it is running
[08:56] <jnc> there's a socket which I think HAL or D-Bus connects to when wpasupplicant is running, to configure it
[08:56] <jnc> ps aux | grep wpa_supplicant
[08:56] <jnc> something like that to check
[08:56] <jcole> network-manager depends on wpasupplicant
[08:57] <GeekChick|> 8785  0.0  0.0   2880   760 pts/1    S+   23:56   0:00 grep wpa_supplicant
[08:57] <jcole> that's why it's there
[08:57] <jnc> GeekChick|: okay, not there.  good to know.
[08:57] <jnc> hot tip you can prevent the 'grep' command from listing itself
[08:57] <jnc> ps aux | grep [w] pa_supplicant
[08:57] <GeekChick|> jnc, i know.
[08:57] <GeekChick|> i just dont care most of the time
[08:57] <jnc> stuffing the first character with brackets anyhow
[08:57] <jnc> :P
[08:58] <jcole> wpagui is a qt gui frontend to wpasupplicant
[08:58] <jnc> so... hm.  where do we configure wpasupplicant's driver?
[08:58] <GeekChick|> jnc, the broken network-manager, of course.
[08:58] <GeekChick|> duh!
[08:58] <jnc> it wants to know what sort of wifi setup you have, I don't know of a gui method to configure this in Feisty
[08:58] <YingFan> if a usb device doesnt get automounted, but can be manually mounted, which log can I see the automount attempt in? (I use udev)
[08:59] <jcole> YingFan: dmesg
[08:59] <jnc> even before network-manager runs a process of wpa_supplicant, wpa_supplicant needs to be passed what sort of driver to expect
[08:59] <jnc> on debian it was /etc/defaults/wpasomethingorother
[08:59] <jnc> looking now
[09:00] <YingFan> jcole: nothing obvious there, could "sda: got wrong page", be an issue?
[09:00] <GeekChick|> Hmmm, feisty uses avahi?
[09:00] <jcole> GeekChick|: i'm running a similar card as you and using wifi-radar -> "Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)"
[09:00] <jcole> GeekChick|: yes
[09:01] <jnc> GeekChick|: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/enable-wpa-wireless-access-point-in-ubuntu.html
[09:01] <jcole> GeekChick|: avahi is very evil
[09:01] <jnc> maybe?
[09:01] <jnc> I'm reading it now, not saying that is the solution
[09:01] <jcole> GeekChick|: disable it in network-manager
[09:01] <jcole> GeekChick|: it ALSO hooks into dbus
[09:01] <jnc> that link I posted seems to be for a different problem
[09:01] <jcole> YingFan: lsusb
[09:02] <Cheetah> is it just me, or is ubuntu.com down? O_o
[09:02] <jnc> making your own WPA enabled access point, not connecting to one
[09:02] <Prez> Cheetah: I thought the same
[09:02] <Prez> must be a ton of people banging the crap out of it..
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> Cheetah: Not just you.
[09:02] <jnc> 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 15497ms
[09:02] <Cheetah> Alright :))
[09:02] <jnc> yikes.
[09:03] <GeekChick|> jnc, ill try the steps on that page you linked to. looks promising.
[09:03] <GeekChick|> brb
[09:03] <Korgmatose> is there a direct package upgrade-path for us that use 7.04b /RC, or will we have to download an entire iso?
[09:03] <Prez> is it out? <click> is it out yet... <click>what about now, out? <click> on and on until ubuntu.com dies
[09:03] <GeekChick|> looks like i can undo it easily too
[09:03] <jnc> GeekChick|: hold up a second
[09:03] <Cheetah> should I do a fresh reinstall if I had continously upgraded from herd4, or should it be fine?
[09:04] <spikeb> Prez, it's almost dead
[09:04] <jnc> GeekChick|: that page is useful because it shows what "should" be happening, it's from the perspective of Edgy though
[09:04] <jnc> wish I knew what was wrong, I do
[09:05] <GeekChick|> jnc, well the procedure looks easily reversed even if it doesnt work.
[09:05] <YingFan> jcole, doesnt show up on lsusb. I shouldnt have said usb device, althuogh it can be that as well. i connected it through firewire which uses scsiemulation
[09:06] <jnc> GeekChick|: the key is to know if wpa_supplicant is running
[09:06] <jnc> if it's not running, no matter what we do (wifi-radar, etc.) WPA auth will not work
[09:07] <Cheetah> hmm, is there a final 7.04 cd image yet? ;)
[09:07] <GeekChick|> sudo /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant restart ?
[09:07] <jnc> GeekChick|: sure, worth a shot
[09:07] <jnc> watch the output for complaints
[09:07] <GeekChick|> the only thing i see in init.d related to wpa is wpa-ifupdown
[09:08] <jnc> I forget if network-manager triggers an instance of wpa_supplicant or if it expects one to be running 24/7
[09:08] <GeekChick|> not sure i want to run it now lol
[09:08] <jnc> heh
[09:08] <Javva> where can i download ubutu 7from?
[09:08] <jcole> YingFan: you may need to manually load a 1394 module
[09:08] <GeekChick|> eh, well i restarted wpa-ifupdown, nothing broke
[09:09] <jcole> YingFan: DV camera?
[09:09] <GeekChick|> no results for ps aux|grep [w] pa
[09:09] <YingFan> jcole, well i have no problem mounting it manually without loading modules manually
[09:09] <jnc> it may be that network-manager triggers a new instance of wpa_supplicant
[09:09] <YingFan> jcole, no usb harddisk connected through firewire, not usb
[09:09] <jnc> what I'm confused about at the moment is how does that happen?
[09:10] <jcole> YingFan: oh, you want the hotplug scripts to automount it?
[09:10] <jnc> looking at config files I don't see where wpa_supplicant is told which "-D" (wpa supplicant driver) option to use
[09:10] <YingFan> i dont think it uses hotplug?
[09:10] <YingFan> jcole, since i use udev
[09:10] <jnc> GeekChick|: if nothing else we can disable network-manager and go old-school, it /will/ work
[09:10] <GeekChick|> jnc, well im going to try that little page you linked to. if it doesnt work i can undo it pretty quickly.
[09:11] <jnc> alright
[09:19] <debtrai> j #ubuntu-release-party
[09:20] <Tm_T> !samba
[09:20] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:24] <jnc> I found more information on how the wifi stuff works
[09:24] <jnc> http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerToDo
[09:25] <jnc> as-is a new copy of wpa_supplicant is started when the connection attempt begins
[09:26] <jnc> or, that was true 1 year ago
[09:26] <jnc> any fellow feisty users with wifi present?
[09:27] <GeekChick|> Hmmm, that tutorial = BAD for feisty = no boot. :P
[09:27] <GeekChick|> Had to undo the changes in a recovery console haha
[09:27] <jnc> yeep
[09:27] <GeekChick|> it was funny, my wifi light on e1505 kept coming on then going off.
[09:27] <GeekChick|> and the boot process just froze eternally
[09:28] <GeekChick|> Well, either network-manager is a piece of shit, or it hates the intel proset 3945 abg, or it is buggy as hell and should have never made its way into feisty.
[09:29] <jcole> running wifi iwth feisty here
[09:29] <GeekChick|> im giving up. ill stick with manual mode, 1 WLAN network
[09:29] <jnc> so... everything I'm reading up on now, it all says that network-manager-gnome applet connects to network-manager daemon, which (when told to connect to a WPA encrypted network) fires up a new copy of wpa_supplicant
[09:29] <jnc> and the passwords / keys are stored via gnome-keyring
[09:29] <GeekChick|> jnc, but not WEP keys?
[09:29] <jnc> WEP keys too
[09:29] <GeekChick|> jnc, and yet it doesnt :/
[09:30] <jnc> I'm confused, there, are you being asked for your WEP / WPA keys at all ?
[09:30] <jnc> (via network-manager-gnome applet)
[09:30] <GeekChick|> jnc, yah, i get asked every single time, it just never accepts them. it disappears, and says it has signal, but it never actually connects.
[09:31] <GeekChick|> and the passwords sure dont get stored in the keyring manager
[09:31] <jnc> GeekChick|: oooh I may have found a snippet that indicates how to nuke your keyring
[09:31] <jnc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=407764&highlight=Keyring+Manager
[09:31] <jcole> GeekChick|: use wifi-radar till network-manager matures
[09:31] <jcole> later all
[09:32] <davidw> here's a stumper: wtf is one computer trying to do hostname lookups to 224.0.0.251.5353 - it's not in resov.conf
[09:32] <davidw> indeed, it's not in /etc anywhere....
[09:33] <GeekChick|> jnc, i might try that.
[09:33] <davidw> and it's adding a lot of latency to things, it seems
[09:33] <jnc> GeekChick|: there's a possibility that the System > Network > etc.  thing is conflicting with network-manager
[09:33] <jnc> GeekChick|: take a look at /etc/network/interfaces and see if your wifi interface is listed there
[09:34] <jnc> your wifi interface should be stricken from /etc/network/interfaces for network-manager to function properly
[09:34] <Cheetah> is there a specific time when 7.04 will be released officially? in europe its already apr. 19 :D
[09:34] <Hobbsee> Cheetah: see /topic
[09:34] <Hobbsee> Cheetah: and 2 hours after the last person asked
[09:34] <Cheetah> hrrm :D
[09:34] <mtholdenss> whats the party channel?
[09:35] <det> Does LVM/RAID work from the LiveCD now?
[09:35] <jnc> GeekChick|: I suggest following the suggestions @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406591&highlight=Keyring+Manager
[09:35] <GeekChick|> jnc, its all there. even lists my manual essid and key
[09:36] <Cheetah> Hobbsee, is it neccessary to download and do a fresh install if I had previously been updating from herd4 all the time?
[09:36] <jnc> yeah I think that to get network-manager going, we need to look at the link I just bumped and follow advices to claen up the interfaces config file
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Cheetah: no
[09:36] <jnc> then maybe do a reboot 'cause I'm not sure which parts of the system this all effects
[09:36] <Cheetah> good
[09:36] <YingFan> does the livecd use hotplug or udev?
[09:36] <jnc> YingFan: hotplug has been depreciated for a long time
[09:37] <jnc> udev and hotplug are mutually exclusive lately
[09:37] <YingFan> jnc, nod but udev isnt marked as official?
[09:38] <jnc> kernels 2.6.18+ sort of require udev
[09:38] <YingFan> jnc, yeah i was wrong i see now
[09:38] <YingFan> jnc, however it doesnt work
[09:38] <jnc> That's a common complaint
[09:39] <jnc> what's the device or situation you want to make function?
[09:39] <YingFan> jnc, firewiring a usb harddisk
[09:39] <YingFan> jnc, it detects it, asks for open window or do nothing, but when choosing open window, nothing happens
[09:40] <YingFan> jnc, however i can manually mount it from commandline
[09:40] <jnc> what is YingFan talking about
[09:40] <YingFan> jnc, just cant get it to automount
[09:40] <jnc> did I miss it
[09:41] <YingFan> jnc, uhm ok i rephrase it..., Im connecting an external HD through firewire. I then get a popup window, asking me for an action. Choosing open window should mount it
[09:42] <YingFan> jnc, however it doesnt
[09:42] <jnc> oh
[09:42] <jnc> external harddisk.  okay.
[09:42] <YingFan> jnc, the hd can be mounted manually though, so it isnt a detection or file system issue
[09:43] <jnc> YingFan: sounds more like hal / dbus stuff
[09:43] <YingFan> jnc, i see. only dmesg indication is "got wrong page"
[09:43] <jnc> System > Preferences > Remmovable Drive and Media Preferences
[09:44] <YingFan> thats gnome?
[09:44] <jnc> and if you want to check if the drive appears, well it's going to show up as a scsi device (cat /proc/scsi/scsi)
[09:44] <jnc> oh yeah gnome
[09:44] <YingFan> im in kde, hmm
[09:44] <jnc> why what DE do you run?
[09:44] <jnc> no clue about kde, sorry
[09:45] <YingFan> it appears, and can be mounted. just want it to be done automatically, since i also will be connecting several different usb pens
[09:46] <YingFan> that will be usb though, not firewire but i get same problem there, detects it fine, and can be mounted, just not auto..
[09:46] <jnc> I don't know what to tell ya YingFan, IMO the Gnome + Ubuntu configuration is what gets the most priority in usability testing
[09:47] <YingFan> nod, just switched from gentoo, so not sure what logfiles to search for clues or how to increase verbosity
[09:47] <jnc> GeekChick|: welcome back
[09:48] <GeekChick|A> jnc, thanks for the help.
[09:48] <GeekChick|A> It just decided to start working randomly . . . i did the "create wireless network" option even though I could already see my ESSID and connect to it, i created one with identical specs, and then it started to work as if by magic, and the passphrase is now stored inside of my "Keyring Manager."
[09:49] <jnc> GeekChick|A: glad it's working
[09:49] <jnc> like I said earlier "kill it with fire"
[09:49] <jnc> sums up my frustration when things mysteriously work and not work
[09:49] <jnc> :)
[09:50] <jnc> GeekChick|A: if you look at "ps aux | grep [w] pa" now you'll see the wpa_supplicant running (if connected to the WPA encrypted network)
[09:50] <davidw> ok, so.... as I was saying... this avahi-daemon deal kills network latency
[09:50] <GeekChick|A> but its still not working perfectly. when i right click on the network-manager applet and go to "Connection information" it tells me an error message of "Error displaying connection information:  Could not find some required resources (the glade file)!"
[09:50] <GeekChick|A> so far the only caveat.
[09:51] <jnc> GeekChick|A: o_O  glade file?   would think that it sort of needs the glade file to build it's user interface
[09:51] <GeekChick|A> jnc, root     10402  0.0  0.1   3784  1448 ?        S    00:46   0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -dd -g /var/run/wpa_supplicant-global
[09:51] <jnc> coolness
[09:52] <bicycledaave> topic
[09:52] <GeekChick|A> jnc, lol, well its missing its damn glade file and it isnt my fault :)
[09:53] <vimalg2> ubuntu.com is down. Hooray for zero-day junkies
[09:54] <noget> hey, does anybody have an idea if there is an app which lets you control the master volume via console?
[09:54] <crimsun> noget: amixer, alsamixer, aumix, etc.
[09:54] <jnc> GeekChick|A: check your box for the following files...
[09:54] <crimsun> noget: of course the driver has to actually expose a 'Master'
[09:54] <jnc> ls -l /usr/share/nm-applet/applet.glade /usr/share/gnome-vpn-properties/nm-vpn-properties.glade
[09:55] <GeekChick|A> jnc, got them both.
[09:55] <jnc> I do too.
[09:55] <jnc> weird.
[09:55] <GeekChick|A> both owned by root
[09:55] <jnc> I don't know what it could be complaining about
[09:56] <GeekChick|A> jnc, who is the chowner for yours?
[09:56] <maddler> an efty morning all! :D
[09:56] <GeekChick|A> is it root:root?
[09:56] <jnc> GeekChick|A: yep
[09:56] <YingFan> !dbus
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dbus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <jnc> 644
[09:58] <maddler> well... it was actually meant to be "feisty"! doh!!! I should take one MORE coffee!!!
[09:58] <GeekChick|A> jnc, hmmm, well i dont have the glade file according to it :P
[09:58] <GeekChick|A> but its been a real bastard to me, so i dont believe a word of the error
[09:59] <jnc> haha
[09:59] <jnc> I'm reading the hex dump of nm-applet, and it references a printf format string and also "applet.glade" which looks correct enough
[10:00] <GeekChick|A> jnc, oh, look what "appeared" in gconf-editor, "/system/networking/wireless/networks" -- it only appears when the thing works. *sigh*
[10:00] <calliope_> so in my newly installed and fully update 6.10 I still cant get the upgrade button and I confirmed the update manager is 0.45.2 and the synaptic packages are all turned on and switched the server from canada to main site but still no Upgarde Button. any tips please
[10:00] <GeekChick|A> calliope_, are you using the alternate cd iso?
[10:00] <jnc> GeekChick|A: only Ubuntu can prevent forest fires
[10:01] <calliope_> i used the 6.10 iso my buddy burned last month or so may 3 months a go
[10:01] <GeekChick|A> calliope_, you'll only get the upgrade button when you insert the alternate cd
[10:01] <calliope_> what alternate cd
[10:01] <GeekChick|A> when you download desktop or server . . . there are a bunch of different ISOs.
[10:02] <GeekChick|A> grab the one that is named ubuntu <version here> i386 alternate
[10:02] <calliope_> well its not the server version
[10:02] <jnc> so like,  you're running Edgy 6.10 and you want feisty, you need the feisty alternate cd ?
[10:02] <enyc> hrrrm  www.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.212)  TCP port 80 not want to talk to me!
[10:02] <calliope_> well how do i double my current isntalled version again
[10:02] <jnc> enyc: bribe it with chocolates
[10:02] <jnc> it's down for others too
[10:02] <calliope_> uh
[10:03] <GeekChick|A> there is a fast mirror out there if i can remember it . .  .
[10:03] <enyc> jnc: I see
[10:03] <calliope_> double check my cur ver
[10:03] <calliope_> jnc: i think that will work
[10:03] <enyc> calliope_: are you expecting an upgrade to feisty to be avaliable??
[10:03] <GeekChick|A> ftp://mirrors.easynews.com/linux/ubuntu-releases/6.10
[10:03] <GeekChick|A> It's insanely fast.
[10:03] <jnc> calliope_: usually 'cat /etc/issue.net' on most distros
[10:03] <GeekChick|A> They dont have feisty yet, but no one does.
[10:03] <calliope_> thats what the link on the web page said
[10:04] <jnc> "What does it mean?"  "NO ONE KNOWS what it means, but it's PROVOCATIVE!"
[10:04] <GeekChick|A> jnc, my guess is that its something on the level of innuendo.
[10:04] <calliope_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades  its says how to go from 6.10 to 7.04
[10:04] <jnc> GeekChick|A: i think from "blades of glory" movie
[10:05] <maddler> yup... of which you can't get the full meaning... but makes you upset anyhow... ;)
[10:05] <enyc> calliope_: thats interesting... 6.04 isnt actually released yet.. it should be today ;-)
[10:05] <enyc> calliope_: err 7.04
[10:05] <davidw> found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/94940
[10:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 94940 in avahi "mdns listed in nsswitch.conf causes excessive time  for dns lookups" [Medium,Needs info] 
[10:05] <calliope_> isnt that link refering to 7.04 beta
[10:05] <GeekChick|A> enyc, the cd option your looking at there requires the alternate ISO
[10:06] <enyc> GeekChick|A: think you might mean to be talking to somebody else
[10:06] <calliope_> it seems like in feisty release party theres all kinds of download on the go
[10:06] <GeekChick|A> calliope_, , the cd option your looking at there requires the alternate ISO
[10:06] <GeekChick|A> enyc, sorry
[10:06] <GeekChick|A> :)
[10:07] <calliope_> GeekChick|A: i wasnt actually looking at the cd option there. I used a 6.10 cd to make the initial install but ont that page I was looking at the part that says you can only directly upgrade from ubuntu 6.10 after full updates and to use the update manager to find the upgrade link
[10:07] <jnc> GeekChick|A: I am curious to know how many years you've used linux
[10:07] <calliope_> GeekChick|A: can you see that part
[10:08] <GeekChick|A> jnc, off and on since 1996 or 1997.
[10:08] <jnc> wow, star.
[10:08] <jnc> I picked it up in like '97
[10:08] <GeekChick|A> calliope_, yes, but you WILL NOT see anything in the update agent until feisty is officially released tomorrow sometime.
[10:08] <exs> any css guys in here?.. need help on the unofficial ubuntu installer for windows. thanks
[10:08] <muzzol> is it a boy or a girl?
[10:08] <GeekChick|A> you will need to wait, or download one of the latest daily builds
[10:08] <enyc> GeekChick|A: I thought its TODAY sometime
[10:08] <calliope_> jnc: now you make me feel un appreciated ;^)
[10:09] <GeekChick|A> enyc, umm, well its 1am and i just finished beating network-manager with a large stick.
[10:09] <calliope_> GeekChick|A: k ill turn off the box and check to morrow after midnight est
[10:09] <jnc> calliope_: nothing was as unappreciated as I in 1997.
[10:09] <jnc> heh
[10:09] <GeekChick|A> calliope_, heh, just dont expect a fast download.
[10:09] <GeekChick|A> they'll be hammered into oblivion
[10:10] <muzzol> GeekChick|A, when you say tomorrow what time zone are you talking about?
[10:10] <calliope_> est
[10:10] <muzzol> for me is 19
[10:10] <calliope_> i got april 19 4 am right now
[10:10] <enyc> GeekChick|A: ?what is being silly w/ network manager anyway?
[10:10] <enyc> GeekChick|A: I rather got on okay with /etc/network/interfaces myself ;-)
[10:10] <calliope_> so about 20 or 22 hours ill check again
[10:10] <GeekChick|A> muzzol, i said tomorrow because its 1 AM here (MST - Arizona - We dont abide by Daylight Savings), and I just finished beating the feisty fawn network-manager with a large stick, with some help from jnc.
[10:10] <GeekChick|A> It was a misthought
[10:10] <jnc> GeekChick|A: check your /etc/network/interfaces, see if your wifi interface is still listed FYI
[10:11] <vimalg2> the guys at #ubuntu aare DDOS
[10:11] <jnc> we're not done abusing it yet!
[10:11] <jnc> (I joke)
[10:11] <vimalg2> ing ubuntu.com
[10:11] <GeekChick|A> enyc, umm i need to connect to multiple networks depending on where i am.
[10:11] <zPacKRat> I just installed ndiswrapper and installed the latest drivers for a linksys wpc45gv4 and I cannot connect with wpa, any ideas
[10:11] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, give up. :(
[10:12] <zPacKRat> I can connect unencrypted fine
[10:12] <jnc> zPacKRat: kill it with f...  which chipset?
[10:12] <zPacKRat> late night party in here eh
[10:12] <jnc> I passed out 12pm - 9 pm
[10:12] <jnc> lots of energy
[10:12] <zPacKRat> IPN 2220
[10:13] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, do what i did. maybe it will fix it...left click on the stupid network manager icon in the notication area, go to "create new network" and enter an identical network to your SSID you are trying to connect to with identical password.
[10:13] <GeekChick|A> that should trick it to working like it did for me
[10:13] <GeekChick|A> after 3 hours of failing
[10:13] <jnc> 00.
[10:14] <zPacKRat> I can see the AP just fine in NM and it sees it as secured, when I select it it prompts for the password and then times out.
[10:15] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, yes, like i said, i could see my AP fine too.
[10:15] <GeekChick|A> but it DID NOT work until i created an identical network
[10:15] <GeekChick|A> its a badly programmed piece of shit
[10:16] <zPacKRat> amen to that
[10:16] <Korgmatose> is it possible to see what version of restricted modules are packaged? Like what revision of ipw3945 that's bundled?
[10:16] <zPacKRat> hope it gets better, it has potential
[10:16] <jnc> zPacKRat: for network-manager to function you need to clear your /etc/network/interfaces file of everything except the loopback interface 'lo'
[10:16] <GeekChick|A> jnc, no....dont do that if he is on feisty
[10:16] <GeekChick|A> it stops the PC from booting
[10:16] <jnc> oh good call
[10:16] <GeekChick|A> remember
[10:17] <GeekChick|A> try my trick zPacKRat. i know its unintuitive
[10:17] <GeekChick|A> but i tried every tutorial on google. and they all failed
[10:17] <GeekChick|A> I have the Intel Proset 3945 A/B/G
[10:18] <exs>  How much difference is there to this release of feisty we're all waiting for and the beta 5 feisty ?
[10:18] <zPacKRat> no go
[10:19] <GeekChick|A> exs, less bugs.
[10:19] <zPacKRat> it works fine with a broadcom based card with bcm43xx chipset, but I only get 11mb
[10:19] <jnc> what do you need 54mb/s for?
[10:20] <Mulder> you're not likely to get 54mb in practice anyway
[10:20] <Mulder> more like 1/2 that
[10:20] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, hmmm. the only thing you may not have is a /etc/default/wpasupplicant file
[10:20] <zPacKRat> I dont
[10:20] <GeekChick|A> i know i created that manually
[10:20] <GeekChick|A> and put ENABLED=0 in it
[10:21] <llutz> hi
[10:21] <Assimilator> so is it out yet ?
[10:21] <GeekChick|A> Assimilator, no.
[10:22] <Assimilator> oh but it's the 19th
[10:23] <blazemonger> Microsoft is preventing feisty from being put out i bet
[10:23] <GeekChick|A> Assimilator, oh but it's not out.
[10:23] <rbwsam> were there in fact delays?
[10:23] <GeekChick|A> rbwsam, no one knows.
[10:23] <rbwsam> GeekChick|A: thanks
[10:24] <jnc> blazemonger: making ACPI rely on the NT API? not yet
[10:24] <enyc> rbwsam: there were delays for the Release Candidate disks...
[10:24] <GeekChick|A> jnc, blazemonger if ACPI used NT kernel it might actually work well in linux.
[10:24] <GeekChick|A> instead of giving me 50% the battery life
[10:24] <mc44> rbwsam, Assimilator see the topic, join that channel
[10:24] <enyc> rbwsam: well there hasnt been RC disks as such... just various daily disks for which testing was asked on mailing lists.. I think.
[10:25] <Korgmatose> can you turn on the power to wireless and bluetoohl t conserve power somehow?
[10:25] <Korgmatose> off*
[10:25] <enyc> GeekChick|A: btw -- have you updated system BIOS ?  they often fix power management problem areas....
[10:26] <jnc> power management worked great when I had a Google-issued T43p IBM thinkpad
[10:26] <GeekChick|A> enyc, oh yes, im way ahead of you, lol. it flat out just sucks at power management (linux, i mean), even with the ati card on lowest power state, and the cpu running at half speed, running the acpi improved feisty kernel.
[10:26] <GeekChick|A> i get 50% the battery life of windows xp on same charge
[10:26] <GeekChick|A> jnc, you work for Google?
[10:26] <jnc> uh, did once.  Contract stuff
[10:26] <GeekChick|A> jnc, ah.
[10:26] <jnc> the office folk didn't like me so I never got a job offer
[10:26] <enyc> GeekChick|A: hrrm i know  powernowd works w/ AMD cpus...
[10:27] <enyc> GeekChick|A: I dont really know about video card powersaving
[10:27] <GeekChick|A> enyc, Intel Core Duo T2500.
[10:27] <enyc> GeekChick|A: what do you mean "running the ACPI" _exactly_ ?
[10:27] <jnc> but yeah I had to go through some hoops and ladders to make T43p power management work properly, write a kernel patch, etc.
[10:27] <GeekChick|A> enyc, eh, the newer feisty kernel is supposed to have much improved power management. less bugs.
[10:27] <jnc> it did eventually work, very well
[10:28] <jnc> suspend to ram worked great
[10:28] <enyc> GeekChick|A: ooooh ... you mean acpi_improved(feisty_kernel) ..... [ok] 
[10:28] <zPacKRat> no love for the G even after creating the wpasupplicant file with the line ENABLED=0 added to it.
[10:28] <jnc> zPacKRat: is wpa_supplicant a running process?
[10:28] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, did you create the identical network?
[10:28] <enyc> GeekChick|A: not (running the acpi) improved (feisty_kernel).
[10:28] <enyc> GeekChick|A: I see now
[10:30] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, i had to restart /etc/init.d/dbus at one point.
[10:31] <zPacKRat> not a running proc
[10:31] <zPacKRat> and what do you mean create the identical network?
[10:31] <GeekChick|A> eh, point is, it was a 3hour adventure of no tutorials working for network-manager applet, with WPA or WEP and somewhere along the way creating that identical network fixed it.
[10:31] <CrakeHunter> hello, isnce www.ubuntu.com doesnt work over here: is the final version out yet? and where do i get it?
[10:31] <GeekChick|A> Left click on the network manager thing in the notifcation area.
[10:32] <GeekChick|A> you will see "CReate new wireless network"
[10:32] <CrakeHunter> o im sry just read the topic. not released yet!
[10:32] <CrakeHunter> :O
[10:32] <GeekChick|A> use that, and create one identical to your AP
[10:32] <zPacKRat> wlan0
[10:33] <GeekChick|A> good god its 1:30 AM.
[10:33] <Assimilator> so will the dvd .iso have both ubuntu and kubuntu on it or will i have to install kubuntu from the repo ?
[10:34] <GeekChick|A> Assimilator, not sure but you could just install kubuntu-desktop from apt-get
[10:34] <Assimilator> yeah
[10:35] <Assimilator> i have kunbuntu installed over the top of ubuntu from synaptic with edgy
[10:35] <GeekChick|A> jnc, thanks for the help earlier. Im off to bed.
[10:37] <zPacKRat> as if it were magic, it now works
[10:37] <zPacKRat> GeekChick: thanks
[10:38] <GeekChick|A> zPacKRat, with the create new wireless network trick?
[10:38] <zPacKRat> jnc: thanks
[10:38] <jnc> zPacKRat: bless you my wifi stumbler
[10:38] <zPacKRat> think so, I also did this "wpa_passphrase your_ssid your_psk" just before it started working
[10:38] <zPacKRat> lol
[10:38] <GeekChick|A> haha, yah, its a fucked up piece of shit, aint it. it took me 3+ hours to find out wpasupplicant was working perfectly fine and nothing was broken but a badly made network-manager that somehow made it into a release OS
[10:39] <zPacKRat> what do ya want fo free
[10:39] <zPacKRat> :)
[10:39] <zPacKRat> night all
[10:39] <CrakeHunter> so des the importing assistent (from outlook to evolution) work well?`also with german outlook - does anyone know?
[10:40] <jnc> Ubuntu for nothing and your wifi for free, we got install microwave tranceivers, configure up our WEP keyrings
[10:40] <jnc> I want my, I want my, I want my networking
[10:40] <GeekChick|A> jnc, what was that stupid radar app called again?
[10:40] <GeekChick|A> wpa-radar?
[10:41] <jnc> it wasn't stupid, it was incapable of thought to begin with
[10:41] <jnc> wifi-radar
[10:41] <GeekChick|A> yes, that was it.
[10:42] <GeekChick|A> well im off to bed. its been a pleasure.
[10:42] <GeekChick|A> thanks jnc. :)
[10:42] <jnc> sure. save the penguins
[10:54] <coNP> Hey Everybody! Does Gutsy appear here soon? :)
[10:55] <mc44> coNP: dont be silly :)
[10:55] <coNP> soorry ... ;)
[10:56] <Zorlin> i think he met after release
[10:56] <Zorlin> will the title be changed to  'gutsy gibbon' (in this *channel*) after fiesty launch?
[10:57] <coNP> I hope so, after the Edgy-release this channel was closed down for a while.
[10:57] <MugginsM> usually it's a few days before ubuntu+1 isn't it?
[10:57] <MugginsM> let the devs get some sleep, etc
[10:57] <coNP> but let the silly users have their channel as well :)
[10:58] <mc44> gutsy wont be useable for a while, they have to do the toolchain and stuff
[10:58] <coNP> mc44: sure
[10:58] <MugginsM> depends how you define "useable", I grew up on Slackware 1.0 :)
[10:58] <coNP> but I still *want* to use it :)
[11:01] <Scunizi> Got Fiesty, downloaded beryl from repositories, installed ATI binary from repositories, checked xorg (driver set to ati, shouldn't that be different?). Glxgears works. how do I activate beryl?
[11:01] <shmeelAway> hi, if i'm using the feisty beta, how can i upgrade to new release?
[11:01] <Scunizi> just run update
[11:02] <shmeelAway> oh yea?
[11:02] <shmeelAway> cool
[11:02] <Scunizi> or sudo aptitude update then sudo aptitude upgrade
[11:02] <shmeelAway> is final release out/
[11:02] <shmeelAway> ?
[11:02] <mellow_bunny> nope not yet
[11:02] <Scunizi> not that i've heard
[11:03] <mellow_bunny> Mithrandir >_>! having fun fun today?
[11:03] <billy> Greetings feisty fans.
[11:03] <Mithrandir> mellow_bunny: yes.
[11:04] <schwuk> !feisty | shmeelAway
[11:04] <ubotu> shmeelAway: Join #ubuntu-release-party for the celebration of the soon-to-be-released 7.04 version of Ubuntu: The Feisty Fawn | FEISTY IS NOT RELEASED YET
[11:10] <mellow_bunny> wonderful ^_^
[11:10] <billy> Can I manually purge older backups with sbackup?  Unfortunately, two backups has used up 100% of my root partition and I need to purge one of them.
[11:10] <bullgard4> What does 'bus mastering control=yes' mean in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/info?
[11:10] <schwuk> mellow_bunny: now we just need to get ubotu to auto reply to anyone how mentions the words "final", "out" and "yet" :D
[11:10] <mellow_bunny> yah XD can we give it a nice like level system so after the third question it just goes beserk and boots random people?
[11:11] <XenSA> can someone please help with an external usb drive i cannot write to it
[11:11] <billy> Anyone know of a good alternative to sbackup?
[11:11] <XenSA> billy: pybackpack?
[11:12] <billy> thx
[11:12] <billy> !info pybackpack feisty
[11:12] <ubotu> Package pybackpack does not exist in feisty
[11:13] <VirhYl3> yo yo... anyone gotten good n64 emulation going in Feisty?
[11:14] <schwuk> VirhYl3: no, but it works a treat on my Wii :D
[11:15] <VirhYl3> meh, why bother with consoles anymore?
[11:15] <VirhYl3> n64 works PERFECT under windows... Mupen is crashing and resetting the input config over and over on here though... :(
[11:17] <billy> would I kill anything if I removed /var/backup ?
[11:18] <XenSA> can someone please help with an external usb drive i cannot write to it
[11:18] <VirhYl3> all the plugins for mupen are .so instead of .dll, so I can't just copy them over either.
[11:18] <gord> mupen works fine here VirhYl3
[11:18] <VirhYl3> it keeps resetting my controller every boot.
[11:18] <VirhYl3> any idea why it'd do that?
[11:19] <VirhYl3> resetting 20 plus buttons every time I wanna boot mario kart is silly, and doesn't make for actual game time.
[11:19] <gord> you sure you have write permissions to the config file/directory
[11:20] <VirhYl3> Hmm... maybe that'll help.  I best reboot though, it just keeps crashing now.
[11:23] <VirhYl3> alright, good clean reboot, let's see now....
[11:25] <VirhYl3> i'll be damned.  All works perfect now!
[11:25] <XenSA> can someone please help with an external usb drive
[11:30] <XenSA> how do you mount usb drive to write to it?
[11:32] <shmeelAway> so it's out
[11:32] <shmeelAway> apt-get update doesn't do anything tho
[11:33] <shmeelAway> will it take a while before it does?
[11:35] <Mithrandir> why would apt-get update do anything?
[11:36] <shmeelAway> isn't that what ppl said would get the update from beta to 1.0?
[11:36] <shmeelAway> err the release version
[11:36] <shmeelAway> how do i upgrade then?
[11:36] <Mithrandir> if you've pulled in all the upgrades along the way you're at what will become 7.04
[11:37] <[miles] > ubuntu.com down?
[11:37] <[miles] > lol
[11:38] <vimalg2> cdimage.ubuntu.com shows an "update in progress" DUMMY link
[11:38] <laichzeit> how long till it hits slashdot front page? ;)
[11:38] <vimalg2> yay
[11:38] <Mulder> woot!
[11:38] <vimalg2> fire up yer download managers
[11:39] <Mulder> it's also slower than a goat
[11:40] <vimalg2> for real men my prompt reads "wget -c  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.04/release/<waiting for filename>.iso
[11:40] <vimalg2> he he
[11:40] <Mulder> if only there were a nz mirror
[11:43] <VirhYl3> torrents!
[11:43] <VirhYl3> ?
[11:43] <mellow_bunny> isnt there a nz mirror
[11:43] <mellow_bunny> i swear there was..
[11:43] <Mulder> there probably is one
[11:43] <ajmitch> not one that has release images that I'm aware of
[11:43] <Mulder> site too lagged for me to check
[11:43] <ajmitch> citylink's mirror only has beta isos
[11:43] <mellow_bunny> http://www.wlug.org.nz/NewZealandLinuxMirrors
[11:44] <Mulder> as do the official one?
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> they should update soon enough
[11:44] <Mulder> do/does
[11:44] <Mulder> wlug eh
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> eek i only found them through google
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> <.<
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> hey Mulder!
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> LONG TIME NO SEE
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> oops
[11:44] <Mulder> hi
[11:44] <mellow_bunny> caps
[11:44] <Mulder> who are you?
[11:44] <Mulder> heh
[11:45] <mellow_bunny> hmm i was in the channel.. for a while
[11:45] <mellow_bunny> did you do alt.tv's internet thing?
[11:45] <Mulder> nope
[11:45] <mellow_bunny> i cant remember the channel name hold a sec
[11:45] <Mulder> you look familiar, but i cant quite put a finger on it
[11:45] <mellow_bunny> debian.co.nz related
[11:45] <mellow_bunny> i was in that channel for awhile
[11:46] <Mulder> ah
[11:46] <Mulder> liz's channel?
[11:46] <mellow_bunny> yeah
[11:46] <Mulder> *nod*
[11:46] <mellow_bunny> i didnt get along with her very well
[11:47] <Mulder> a lot of people dont it seems
[11:47] <mellow_bunny> i wouldnt say she;s "angsty
[11:47] <elifed> Ubuntu or Xubuntu,,,that is the question :P
[11:47] <mellow_bunny> " but she tends to be very opininated
[11:47] <mellow_bunny> hmm Ubuntu server for me
[11:47] <mellow_bunny> no need for ui
[11:48] <elifed> ummm, even console is a UI :)
[11:48] <elifed> aka CLI :D
[11:49] <Mulder> hehe
[11:50] <mellow_bunny> ><!
[11:50] <charlie5> hi guys ... which would likely be quicker for new feisty ... a torrent d/l or regular wget ?
[11:50] <mellow_bunny> doh
[11:50] <mellow_bunny> gui?
[11:50] <elifed> I'm still running Breezy server on my firewall
[11:51] <Mulder> charlie5, torrent if you have the bandwidth to blow
[11:51] <capiira> hmm hi will ubuntu feisty get thunderbird 2?
[11:51] <Mulder> direct will be slow
[11:51] <elifed> GUI, fair enough
[11:52] <Mithrandir> capiira: no
[11:52] <charlie5> Mulder: thanks ... i have 512/128 ... guess i'll give the torrent a try 1st
[11:52] <elifed> capiira, I doubt it, TB 2 just got released
[11:52] <capiira> yeah
[11:52] <capiira> and feisty not :)
[11:52] <elifed> well due to go gold today
[11:53] <capiira> ahh ok
[11:53] <capiira> maybe a backport somewhere later
[11:53] <elifed> possibly
[11:53] <elifed> or you can probably install it yourself
[11:53] <[miles] > ok, weird.. why when I've got the linux-headers installed, is it that my /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic/sound/pci/hda contains nothing more than a Makefile ?!
[11:53] <VirhYl3> Is there a mirror up with the release yet?
[11:53] <[miles] > actually, if I do a tree of the sound dir, there is nothing except make files
[11:53] <VirhYl3> or a torrent?
[11:54] <exs> whats the launch parties irc?
[11:54] <Mulder> VirhYl3, files up, announcement not, so it's a matter of waiting
[11:54] <Mulder> some mirrors have not been so good (about the waiting)
[11:54] <Mulder> heh
[11:55] <VirhYl3> I submitted an article to /. already, just in case. :P
[11:55] <elifed> VirhYl3, haha
[11:55] <exs> Mulder:  VirhYl3 what's the irc address to the launch party channel? thanks
[11:55] <mc44> exs: #ubuntu-release-party
[11:55] <Mulder> exs: #ubuntu-release-party
[11:55] <exs> thanks
[11:55] <elifed> cmdrtaco will get all of the credit for the submission
[11:56] <Mulder> [miles] , if you installed the headers, then that's what you got
[11:56] <Mulder> probably installed in /usr/include/linux
[11:56] <[miles] > Mulder: ah ok
[11:56] <capiira> btw. is there a package that update all stuff configs etc. that still have beta name ?
[11:56] <Mulder> [miles] , if you want kernel source, install the kernel source package
[11:57] <Mulder> then you will see A LOT more files in /usr/src/linux
[11:57] <[miles] > thats what I want
[11:57] <[miles] > Mulder: whats the package name please for the full kernel source?
[11:57] <Mulder> capiira, change repository lines, then do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:58] <capiira> yeah "apt-get source linux-source-2.6.20"
[11:58] <capiira> ok will do that after feisty got released
[11:58] <[miles] > ah perfect
[11:58] <[miles] > many thanks Mulder
[11:59] <[miles] > :-)
[11:59] <Mulder> "linux-source"
[11:59] <Mulder> or "linux-source-2.6.20
[11:59] <[miles] > nod, got it
[11:59] <[miles] > Mulder: btw, did the RC make it to final?
[11:59] <Mulder> but your apt-get source works too
[11:59] <Mulder> no idea, i dont work for the project
[12:00] <Mulder> but i think there were a few bugs they fixed in the RC from looking at the website about it
[12:01] <ceil420> hey, does anyone know why they took the "Xubuntu" splash screen out of Feisty Xubuntu? that was my favourite one :(
[12:02] <[miles] > ah ok
[12:04] <ceil420> (or, if there's a way i can get it back)
[12:05] <linxeh> ceil420: I have it here :o
[12:05] <ceil420> on Feisty? :o
[12:05] <ceil420> the mouse running in the wheel?
[12:05] <linxeh> I have a "xubuntu" login screen if that's what you meant
[12:06] <linxeh> or do you mean as the session is initialising ?
[12:07] <ceil420> yeah that
[12:07] <ceil420> the "loading" screen
[12:11] <mellow_bunny> poor Seveas =.=
[12:11] <enyc> cooo.... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/release/ exists now ;-)
[12:11] <mellow_bunny> ..
[12:12] <Mulder> yeah heh
[12:12] <Ayabara> is there a .deb for thunderbird 2.0 to be found yet?
[12:12] <AmyRose> my Ralink RT2570 USB wifi card worked perfectly with Edgy but I get a "vendor request error" with Feisty
[12:12] <Mulder> well, if feisty uses rc1, then that's the same
[12:13] <Mulder> there were no changes between tb 2.0rc1 and 2.0
[12:13] <AmyRose> Anybody know why?
[12:14] <Ayabara> Mulder, but feisty uses 1.something?
[12:15] <Mulder> really?
[12:15] <Mulder> i'll check packages.ubuntu.com now
[12:15] <Mulder> heh
[12:15] <Mulder> so it does
[12:16] <Mulder> 2.0 probably wont be available til feisty+1 i'm guessing
[12:19] <Ayabara> Mulder, agree, but I also guess that "someone" will make a .deb for feisty :-)
[12:19] <Mulder> ah yeah
[12:19] <Mulder> higihly likely :)
[12:19] <Mulder> you could make one!
[12:19] <Mulder> using checkinstall
[12:23] <Hairulfr> So, anyone got a mirror for feisty? Or what's the command that'll upgrade my distro: apt-get upgrade + something else
[12:23] <Hairulfr> ?
[12:23] <Hairulfr> OR has everythin chrashed
[12:23] <mon^rch> I can't event connect to the ubuntu web page ;)
[12:23] <Mulder> hehe
[12:24] <Hairulfr> I figured
[12:24] <Mulder> major hammering
[12:24] <mon^rch> ohyeah
[12:25] <mc44> Hairulfr: dont use apt get to upgrade
[12:25] <mc44> !upgrade | Hairulfr
[12:25] <ubotu> Hairulfr: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:25] <mon^rch> this is as popular as something else as of late :)
[12:25] <Hairulfr> mc44: Cheers :D
[12:29] <Patrick_> can anyone help me fix a problem, when I log out I get a blank screen and the laptop hangs until I hold in the power button down which I hate
[12:30] <shab> upgrade to feisty hangs while configuring(postint) xserver-org
[12:30] <shab> I am using nvidia-legacy driver
[12:30] <shab> any idea? Please help
[12:30] <_4strO> shab: show details
[12:31] <_4strO> and answer the question (if you're using adept or sm like this)
[12:33] <shab> it hangs at executing postinst of xserver-xorg
[12:34] <shab> as no output.
[12:34] <shab> as such no output
[12:34] <shab> hangs at "Setting xserver-xorg..."
[12:34] <_4strO> shab: in konsole ?
[12:35] <shab> ya, i am using manual method of feisty upgrade
[12:35] <AmyRose> what's with ubuntu.com?
[12:36] <mellow_bunny> overload
[12:36] <Hairulfr> AmyRose: Nothing, absolutely nothing
[12:36] <AmyRose> oh, ok
[12:36] <AmyRose> what's with my wifi driver though? I never had this problem in Edgy
[12:36] <shab> it think some problem with postinst script of xserver-xorg for nvidia-legacy driver
[12:37] <mc44> shab: why didnt you use the update-manager?
[12:37] <shab> iam using edgy kde.
[12:37] <Hairulfr> mc44: Because nothing happens, it does nothing, it just says: "Your system  is up to date"
[12:37] <mc44> Hairulfr: sudo update-manager -d
[12:38] <mc44> shab: ah kde. icky :)
[12:38] <phire> will feisty support my intel abg1234 wireless chip?
[12:38] <mips> phire, no you need windows for that :)
[12:38] <phire> or will I need to get drivers?
[12:38] <Hairulfr> mc44: No difference, im still up to daate
[12:39] <Hairulfr> date
[12:39] <shab> i tried "dpkg --configure -a"
[12:39] <shab> I thing is it hangs at "Setting up xserver-xorg (7.2-0ubuntu11) ..."
[12:39] <shab> and there is no progress.
[12:39] <mc44> Hairulfr: hmm, well just wait for the offical release then :)
[12:40] <Hairulfr> bah
[12:42] <shab> mc44: is there any problem of xserver-xorg with nvidia legacy driver.
[12:42] <shab> mc44: ??
[12:43] <mc44> shab: dont know, I havent done a manual upgrade
[12:43] <shab> mc44: any suggestions  what to try
[12:44] <mc44> not sure
[12:45] <shab> mc44: does it much time to execute postinst of xserver-xorg 7.2-0ubuntu11
[12:48] <Mulder> i wonder, is canonical making money yet?
[12:49] <shab> mc44: it also hangs in adept_manager
[12:49] <shab> mc44: any help
[12:49] <mc44> Mulder: its not breaking even
[12:49] <mc44> shab: ask in #ubuntu
[12:49] <phire> Mulder, how would they make money?
[12:49] <Mulder> mc44, are there any financial statements that are publically released?
[12:49] <Mulder> phire, through support
[12:50] <mc44> Mulder: no its a private company
[12:50] <Mulder> ok
[12:50] <davidw> well, while it's got momentum, I don't think he's spending vast sums of money
[12:50] <mc44> he does have a lot of money :p
[12:51] <davidw> if I were him, I'd pull the plug if things ever started going badly from the community/technology point of view... he didn't have a good project and a good group of people any more
[12:53] <shab> mc44: ok thanks
[12:59] <MLimburg> hehehehe
[12:59] <kingborel> lol
[01:09] <orient2000> http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/ubuntu-cd-releases/7.04/
[01:15] <acuster> lovely and quiet in here
[01:16] <Mithrandir> acuster: yeah, like a chill-out-room at a party.
[01:16] <acuster> I suppose the 'unofficial' release will be when the channel bumps to no longer be about feisty
[01:16] <mc44> its the kitchen of the release party
[01:17] <acuster> any of you know how to get cd's for a user group? We could have used a few last night
[01:17] <acuster> nice to see new users expressing interest all the time
[01:17] <mc44> !shipit
[01:17] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will not send Edgy (6.10) CDs, but only Dapper (6.06) CDs, as Dapper is a !LTS release.
[01:18] <mellow_bunny> how on earth will that be unofficial>
[01:18] <kbrooks> acuster, there is no "unofficial" release.
[01:18] <Hairulfr> acuster: What Mc44 said'
[01:18] <kbrooks> acuster, there is a "official" release
[01:18] <acuster> shipit doesn't have link for user groups
[01:18] <kbrooks> !shipit is inaccurate
[01:18] <kbrooks> !shipit is um needs update for 7.04 please :-)
[01:20] <stefg> !compiz
[01:20] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:21] <mellow_bunny> kbrooks there is one big issue preventing that
[01:21] <mellow_bunny> i think you know what it is
[01:21] <kbrooks> mellow_bunny, sorry?
[01:21] <kbrooks> no i dont
[01:22] <mellow_bunny> well then you must be blind poor fellow i didnt realise you were using braille
[01:22] <kbrooks> mellow_bunny, i dont understtand what u meant
[01:28] <billy> !info DeVeDe feisty
[01:28] <ubotu> devede: Video DVD creator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.9-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 449 kB, installed size 1060 kB
[01:28] <Oooops> Feisty will be released when it is released. hehe
[01:28] <billy> it's like Santa Claus.  Just go to bed.
[01:28] <Mulder> tautological
[01:29] <Mulder> is gibbons really going to follow through with the strict free software philosophy?
[01:29] <kbrooks> !gutsy
[01:29] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[01:30] <Hairulfr> Mulder: I think there will be a choice, all eyecandy is supposed to be active default
[01:30] <kbrooks> Hairulfr, says who?
[01:31] <Mulder> Hairulfr, well i mean with binary drivers
[01:31] <Hairulfr> kbrooks: Read it somehwere, but it won't be totally free, as I understand it
[01:31] <Hairulfr> as in oen
[01:31] <Hairulfr> Open
[01:31] <ajmorris_> what happened to full feisty been released today?
[01:32] <ceil420> day ain't over
[01:32] <kbrooks> ajmitch, no one says it was.
[01:32] <Mulder> replacing blobs with something free takes a lot of effort and time
[01:32] <Mulder> all that reverse engineering cant be easy
[01:32] <stefg>  Hi, i've got a funny situation here. I have two Feisty installs, one being an updated beta, the other is a fresh install from yesterdays daily CD build. On the updated beta compiz is working. But on the fresh install i loose my window decorations when enabling desktop-effects. /usr/bin/compiz.real: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[01:32] <stefg> ???? Can someone point me to the right place to look, what might be different between the two installs?
[01:33] <Oooops> i wait for the suspend bug fixed.
[01:33] <mc44> PriceChild: join the party!!! :)
[01:34] <PriceChild> Is it out yet?
[01:34] <_4strO> stefg: did compare the etc/X11/xorg.conf files ?
[01:34] <ajmitch> kbrooks: sorry?
[01:34] <kbrooks> ajmitch, highlighting mistake
[01:34] <ajmitch> right..
[01:35] <kbrooks> ajmorris_, no one says it was.
[01:35] <void^> stefg: nvidia's driver needs Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[01:35] <ajmorris_> kbrooks, they said 19th, it was delayed
[01:35] <kbrooks> today is 19th
[01:35] <ajmorris_> i know
[01:35] <kbrooks> no, it was not delayed FROM the 19th
[01:35] <stefg> _4strO: in fact i copied it over from the working install, to see if it changes something. Does not ... :-(
[01:35] <kbrooks> !fiesty
[01:35] <ubotu> Join #ubuntu-release-party for the celebration of the soon-to-be-released 7.04 version of Ubuntu: The Feisty Fawn
[01:36] <mc44> PriceChild: dont be silly
[01:36] <Angeluz> fiesty? ;)
[01:36] <PriceChild> :)
[01:36] <ajmorris_> they said that it would be release on 19th of april. it doesn't matter it was delayed :)
[01:36] <kbrooks> PriceChild, no, it is NOT out yet.
[01:36] <stefg> void^: lemme check that
[01:36] <Angeluz> Sure it is?
[01:37] <Angeluz> http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/
[01:37] <PriceChild> kbrooks, :P
[01:39] <stefg> void^:  it was indeed missing... funny that the other install works, tho... Ok, let me restart my X
[01:40] <ajmorris_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ makes it appear that it is out lol. They should have written on this site that it is still rc... unless i missed it
[01:41] <mc44> its not out until it is announced
[01:41] <Angeluz> ajmorris_: As far as I know, there won't be an RC, because the beta-state took so long.
[01:42] <Hairulfr> RC was cancelled
[01:42] <ajmorris_> oh
[01:42] <ajmorris_> ll
[01:42] <ajmorris_> kk
[01:42] <stefg> void^: yeah, that was it... works now :-)
[01:42] <Angeluz> And the Release Manager that was here yesterday told us, that the Beta is almost like the Final, except for a few small bugs.
[01:43] <Angeluz> ... that need(ed) to get fixed. :)
[01:44] <PriceChild> Feisty in +1 or -release-party please.
[01:44] <PriceChild> whoops
[01:44] <PriceChild> i am in +1
[01:45] <Angeluz> Release-Party?
[01:45] <Angeluz> Like in "virtual Beer"? :D
[01:45] <mc44> PriceChild: silly you
[01:45] <mc44> all the virtual beer you cant drink
[01:45] <acuster> is the iso for x86 from april 15th the final?
[01:45] <b0uncer> hi. anybody have ideas why the network applet thing on Gnome-panel no more gives a list of available wireless networks (only "manual configuration" or static configuration)?
[01:45] <b0uncer> it used to have a list some time ago
[01:45] <b0uncer> :/
[01:45] <acuster> b0uncer, yep
[01:45] <acuster> /etc/network/interfaces has junk in it
[01:46] <b0uncer> acuster, that's all?
[01:46] <acuster> back it up and remove all the stuff except the loopback
[01:46] <kadakas> how can i unite the different copy buffers of ubuntu into one ?
[01:46] <acuster> b0uncer, that how I solved the issue
[01:46] <PriceChild> b0uncer, have you added things to /etc/network/interfaces or system>admin>network
[01:46] <acuster> PriceChild, do you understand what's going on with that?
[01:46] <PriceChild> acuster, ?
[01:47] <b0uncer> I haven't added anything manually, so..
[01:47] <acuster> I fixed my nm but don't really know why
[01:47] <b0uncer> but it seems the interfaces file has some entries I don't believe I need
[01:47] <acuster>  cat /etc/network/interfaces
[01:47] <acuster> auto lo
[01:47] <acuster> iface lo inet loopback
[01:47] <acuster> that's all it needs, b0uncer
[01:48] <b0uncer> acuster, does it then add the wireless eth1 there itself after I connect to the wireless network?
[01:48] <b0uncer> I'll try thanks :)
[01:48] <AdministratorX> Good Morning Everyone :)
[01:48] <Angeluz> Is there a way to tell gaim/pidgin to send messages on ALT+Return?
[01:48] <acuster> b0uncer, I think the file is used by the old system of networking and netm' doesn't need it
[01:49] <AdministratorX> acuster: You are correct
[01:49] <mips> any Irish folk here ?
[01:49] <AdministratorX> nm does not need the extra info.
[01:49] <acuster> so the two systems of configuration step on each other's toes?
[01:50] <bouncer> hmm apparently it isn't enough to restart the applet :)
[01:50] <bouncer> nor the wireless device
[01:50] <acuster> bouncer, no,
[01:50] <bouncer> do I need to restart some service or what?
[01:50] <acuster> I'm not sure how far you have to go down
[01:51] <bouncer> a new try -->
[01:53] <b0uncer> well that did the trick, thanks!
[01:54] <b0uncer> now my next problem is where do I change the keyring key it asks me when it wants to connect to the wireless network..I accidentally typed it in capitals and don't like it that way
[01:56] <RAOF> b0uncer: I believe that the current answer is "you can't, but you can completely remove the current keyring and its contents, and make a new one"
[02:01] <sivaji> i got this error when i install feisty http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16383/
[02:03] <b0uncer> alright..well that's a way too I guess..
[02:04] <cy_`> hi.....
[02:04] <b0uncer> RAOF, do you happen to know (as it's not 100% clear to me), when I open the keyring manager, click on the appropriate key and it shows the key (masked, or if I click the box, unmasked) at the bottom of the window, is it now the keyring key/password or is it the password the keyring manager uses for me (in this case my wireless network password)?
[02:04] <b0uncer> I guess it's the keyring key, right?
[02:04] <b0uncer> and if so, then where does it save the wireless network password that it uses?
[02:05] <cy_`> anyone tested the iso's on a lenovo T60 laptop ? X can't start.. no installation.. not even with vesa
[02:05] <cliebow_> keyring i think in wifi-radar?
[02:05] <b0uncer> c,je
[02:05] <b0uncer> sorry
[02:05] <b0uncer> cliebow_, I mean the Gnome Keyring Manager program
[02:05] <b0uncer> system menu -> administration submenu -> keyring manager
[02:07] <larryone> how do I get irc to reprint the "subject" or whatever for a channel?
[02:07] <PriceChild> larryone, /topioc
[02:07] <PriceChild> larryone, /topic
[02:07] <larryone> PriceChild: thanks
[02:07] <Angeluz> Is there a way to burn a CD-ISO to a DVDR?
[02:08] <spikeb> i think you can do that without doing anything special Angeluz
[02:08] <taggie> Angeluz, it should work the same way as a CDr
[02:08] <RAOF> b0uncer: The password shown there is the piece of information the keyring is *storing* (so, WEP/WPA key, my gpg passphrase, etc)
[02:09] <Fylk> Did release crash the site?
[02:10] <spikeb> Fylk, no, but the pre-release hype is trying its best to do so
[02:10] <b0uncer> RAOF, ok. So if I want to remove & re-give the keyring's key, how do I go about then?
[02:10] <Fylk> Ok, cause I went to check the site and I got a 146.
[02:11] <RAOF> b0uncer: You delete the keyring, and make a new one.
[02:11] <nizo> hi all
[02:11] <b0uncer> ok thanks
[02:11] <b0uncer> at times I feel so lost when I have to use graphical interfaces :|
[02:12] <b0uncer> console is so much more simple
[02:12] <nizo> how to transfere all the incoming connection to another ip adress ?
[02:12] <RAOF> b0uncer: rm -r ~/.gnome2/keyring :)
[02:13] <nizo> a router for example
[02:13] <b0uncer> RAOF, heh didn't think about that...
[02:14] <nizo> hellloo
[02:14] <nizo> any boddy have any idea of how to transfer all incoming conection to a router ?
[02:15] <Mulder> explain
[02:16] <nizo> i have a linux box and a router
[02:16] <nizo> i want to make the linux box work internte server
[02:16] <nizo> internet
[02:16] <nizo> as
[02:19] <Mulder> ok
[02:19] <Mulder> so you have a lan with multiple computers, you want your linux machine to route all those machines to the internet
[02:20] <Mulder> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[02:20] <Mulder> that will help you
[02:20] <Mulder> that's if , what i described is what you are trying to do
[02:22] <livingdaylight> i downloaded Feisty Bambi but now i hear that the official release is not releasaed yet???
[02:22] <livingdaylight> can someone enlighten me
[02:22] <kadakas> bambi is 7.10 ?
[02:22] <robertj> Feisty Fawn
[02:23] <PriceChild> livingdaylight, it is not released until it is released
[02:23] <enyc> kadakas: I think thas Gutsy Gibbon or something
[02:23] <robertj> Release notes will be up and say it is released
[02:23] <docMuerto> help to shared ed2k://|file|feisty-dvd-i386.iso|3544915968|70040ED0D906BC0C51C7BA324BFEAD3B|h=UMILDX4DFCAGVYDHIN43CJUSFYCIEVGT|/
[02:23] <robertj> If you want, download last nights nightly and check the md5 sum at release and see if its the same as the release
[02:23] <robertj> if its not do an rsync with the official
[02:23] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: so, why wnen i updated teh release.ubuntu 7.10 showed?
[02:24] <PriceChild> Pardon?
[02:24] <omha> hey
[02:24] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/
[02:24] <PriceChild> please don't killl the mirrors livingdaylight
[02:24] <livingdaylight> i downloaded Feisty Desktop and it works
[02:24] <mc44> PriceChild: 7.10 is out!?
[02:24] <PriceChild> feisty is not released yet. Please wait
[02:25] <Hairulfr> mc44: Not here
[02:25] <mc44> Hairulfr: it was a joke, sorry
[02:25] <livingdaylight> how do i know if it is official or not?
[02:25] <Mithrandir> livingdaylight: you wait until you see the release announcement?
[02:25] <Hairulfr> hehe, you never know :P
[02:26] <mc44> and until Mithrandir signs cdimage so we can all blame him
[02:26] <omha> i installed virtualbox on a mates laptop and installed windows XP, i had kvm enabled and loaded, it ran insanely fast, installed xp in 10mins and superpi 1M took 15sec, native it takes 33sec we also ran cpumark and it got 23k points normally he gets 8k, the next wasen
[02:27] <omha> t he able to use kvm
[02:27] <livingdaylight> Mithrandir: no i had http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ but it was empty and then i head that Feisty was releasaed so i recycled the page and the mirrors were all there
[02:27] <omha> virtualbox crashes if kvm is loaded and he only gets 8k points in cpumark if kvm is not loaded
[02:27] <mc44> livingdaylight: it is not official until it is announced
[02:28] <livingdaylight> mc44: by whom?
[02:28] <Hairulfr> Yeah,w ell, the mirrors are all there...
[02:28] <mc44> livingdaylight: by the Release Manager
[02:28] <livingdaylight> mc44: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ was empty and there was just a message that the mirrors were being loaded or something. So, when the mirrors showed , that is not official?
[02:28] <omha> does anyone have and idea why virtualbox started to crash with kvm??
[02:28] <mc44> livingdaylight: no.
[02:29] <Mithrandir> livingdaylight: it's not released until it's announced.  You're going to notice when it's actually out.
[02:29] <livingdaylight> Mithrandir: so, what i downloaded and burnt to cd is what? yesterdays beta?
[02:30] <mc44> livingdaylight: no, its the final candidate image
[02:30] <Mithrandir> given that I don't know what you downloaded, I can't tell.
[02:30] <thoreauputic> Mithrandir: that will be when everyone's IRC client starts scrolling too fast to read ;p
[02:30] <Mithrandir> thoreauputic: indeed.
[02:30] <livingdaylight> Mithrandir: i downloaded what is currently on the http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ page
[02:30] <nicolah> how come here http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ I find three feisty-dvd-amd64.iso with different sizes ? thanks
[02:31] <Mithrandir> nicolah: ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu at least?
[02:31] <livingdaylight> mc44: and the final candidate image has to be verified one more time?
[02:31] <Mithrandir> livingdaylight: then you downloaded the images which may end up being the release.
[02:31] <b0uncer> well gotta go now, thanks for help folks \o
[02:31] <mc44> livingdaylight: no it needs to be announced as the release
[02:31] <nicolah> Mithrandir, I don't know, same name
[02:31] <Mithrandir> nicolah: yes, we don't encode the flavour into the .iso name.
[02:31] <nicolah> ok,
[02:32] <nicolah> how can I understand which one is the gnome one ?
[02:32] <Hairulfr> uduntu is gnome
[02:32] <mc44> nicolah: use the link to the torrent from the release.ubuntu.com page
[02:32] <Hairulfr> Ubuntu
[02:32] <nicolah> ok
[02:33] <livingdaylight> mc44: so the final candidate image does not need to be verified? it just needs announcing? not much difference then
[02:33] <Hairulfr> Wow, it's taken me approx five minutes loading ubuntu.com
[02:33] <mc44> livingdaylight: correct
[02:34] <livingdaylight> mc44: so for all intents and purposes i have the release version
[02:34] <robertj> Hairulfr: looks like someone needs to be checking into S3 ;)
[02:34] <Hairulfr> Anyone heard if ther's been problems with the final candidates?
[02:34] <mc44> livingdaylight: assuming it isnt changed before release, yes
[02:34] <Mulder> too bad the torrent trackers arent accepting connecitons
[02:35] <livingdaylight> mc44: lol, but you said that it woun't get checked again if it is the final image
[02:35] <Mulder> n/m. there we go
[02:35] <Hairulfr> robertj: The car?
[02:35] <Hairulfr> robertj: Ah, nevermind... the suspend?
[02:37] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: i see that you think very either/or
[02:37] <PriceChild> No DCC chats sorry
[02:37] <robertj> Hairulfr: no amazon's distributed file hosting service
[02:37] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: your thinking is either/or
[02:37] <mc44> PriceChild: i thought you were doing you know what for a scond there
[02:37] <Hairulfr> robertj: Ok, shows what I know :)
[02:37] <PriceChild> mc44, me? never
[02:38] <PriceChild> livingdaylight, no i can compromise
[02:38] <robertj> + someone to look at caching on the actual website ;)
[02:39] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: so, like is not black or white
[02:39] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: to say that one has a disagreement with how one was treated in a #channel and then be told well then just don't join it doesn't address the whole matter
[02:40] <PriceChild> livingdaylight, if you think that ops have violated the guidelines then there are measures you can take
[02:42] <moo^min> hi
[02:43] <andre_pl> Hmm.... Digg says Feisty is out already, I see its not?
[02:44] <mellow_bunny_> correct
[02:44] <mellow_bunny_> it is not
[02:44] <andre_pl> is the Final Candidate the same as keeping up with the updates?
[02:44] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: ok, i wasn't sure, that is just why i asked in passing if it was you and if not who it was that had banned me
[02:45] <PriceChild> livingdaylight, it wasn't me however i agree with the ban
[02:45] <PriceChild> but anyway this is offtopic here
[02:45] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: i just haven't done anything coz it is not a huge loss although i did hang out there alot over the last however many months but if people don't want me there then fine
[02:45] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: well, i'd like to know how you can come to agree?
[02:46] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: that is why i tried to open a differnt channel of communication
[02:46] <PriceChild> This is offtopic here and I don't understand the question
[02:47] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: well, how it is that you agree?
[02:47] <PriceChild> This is offtopic here.
[02:47] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: that is why i tried to open a different channel of communication, but you don't want to?
[02:47] <livingdaylight> I'm happy to talk here or anywhere else
[02:47] <PriceChild> else
[02:48] <andre_pl> is there any word about trying to repair the wireless problems before the final release?  I had wireless networking through the intire lifespan of feisty except the past week or so and everyone else I know who is also running it has lost their wireless network support.
[02:48] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: else?
[02:48] <PriceChild> livingdaylight, somewhere else please. Last warning.
[02:49] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: warning?
[02:49] <mellow_bunny_> =.=
[02:49] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: you just don't want to talk
[02:49] <mellow_bunny_> idiot
[02:49] <livingdaylight> earlier you opened a different channel
[02:49] <livingdaylight> when you wanted to
[02:49] <PriceChild> mellow_bunny_, ?
[02:49] <mellow_bunny_> and andre_pl i havent heard anyhting
[02:49] <mellow_bunny_> <.<
[02:49] <mellow_bunny_> not you PriceChild =.=
[02:50] <spikeb> him not wanting to talk has nothing to do with this is offtopic :P
[02:50] <livingdaylight> i tried speaking to you privately but you declined, so what should i do?
[02:50] <spikeb> be quiet.
[02:50] <spikeb> heh
[02:50] <mellow_bunny_> andre_pl im sure the issue will be addressed soon enough
[02:50] <andre_pl> I'm horribly disappointed in feisty. horribly.  in the past week I've somehow lost GLX Supprt and Wireless support and my SD Card Reader.  Everything except the wireless worked under edgy.
[02:50] <PriceChild> livingdaylight, i declined a DCC chat, not a query
[02:51] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: i'm a noob so i don't know what DCC is, i'll try query
[02:51] <livingdaylight> PriceChild: but my sense is you don't want this conversation and it being off topic is a red herring
[02:54] <andre_pl> has anyone else lost glx in feisty w/ nvidia? the module is loaded, but beryl craps out saying it can't load glx.
[02:54] <Assimilator> why is kubuntu dvd bigger than ubuntu dvd ?
[02:54] <andre_pl> cant even run glxgears
[02:55] <andre_pl> Assimilator: because kde is bigger than gnome? :P
[02:55] <Assimilator> yeah but 300mb bigger ?
[02:55] <andre_pl> could be.
[02:55] <andre_pl> apparently, it is ;)
[02:56] <Assimilator> oh well leeching both DVD's
[02:56] <Zorlin> isnt it... Fiesty fawn, not feisty?
[02:56] <andre_pl> Zorlin: does it really matter?
[02:56] <Zorlin> wait never mind
[02:56] <andre_pl> 2 syllables is shorter than 3
[02:57] <Zorlin> andre_pl: no, but it looks more professional with the correct spelling
[02:57] <Assimilator> heh it rymes with festy pron
[02:57] <Zorlin> i was referring to the spelling, i thought feisty was spelt "fiesty"
[02:57] <PriceChild> !ohmy
[02:57] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:58] <Assimilator> heh
[03:02] <moo^min> any torrents out yet for feisty?
[03:03] <Zorlin> Desktop effects appears to crash on my livecd of fiesty
[03:03] <Zorlin> anyone have any suggestions as to why?
[03:03] <andre_pl> Zorlin: i think they're totally broken everywhere.
[03:03] <andre_pl> doesn't work for me anyway
[03:03] <Zorlin> I thought so too
[03:03] <andre_pl> haven't tried the livecd though
[03:03] <Zorlin> Maybe when I get the ATi drivers installed.
[03:03] <Zorlin> happened for me too with the beta
[03:04] <andre_pl> i  have nvidia and have the drivers isntalled but still no go, no GLX Module.
[03:06] <Zorlin> Ahhh, k.
[03:06] <Zorlin> Why has this all of a sudden slowed down?
[03:06] <Zorlin> This room, it had heaps of users in here before
[03:06] <spikeb> everyone is in the release party room :)
[03:06] <Hidan> lol
[03:06] <mc44> because people are using #ubuntu for feisty now
[03:06] <spikeb> they shouldnt be though heh
[03:07] <mellow_bunny_> because peeps arent asking the idiots quewiotn?
[03:07] <mellow_bunny_> question
[03:08] <andre_pl> am I the only one without GLX?
[03:08] <spikeb> yup
[03:08] <CarinArr> heh
[03:09] <crdlb> andre_pl, did you use nvidia-xconfig ?
[03:09] <spikeb> to be fair, im not actually running ubuntu (+ or - 1) ;)
[03:09] <Wikzo>  Is 7.04 out yet? Ubuntu.com won't load
[03:09] <spikeb> Wikzo, not yet
[03:09] <crdlb> spikeb, so you're using breezy?
[03:09] <spikeb> crdlb, no, different distro. heh
[03:10] <andre_pl> crdlb: I believe so, back under edgy I did. but since feisty i haven't had to, everything just worked until a few days ago.
[03:10] <sivaji> dpkg error ple help me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16393/
[03:10] <spikeb> brb folks
[03:10] <Teres_> how do i play dvd files in fiesty?
[03:10] <nero> Question- is there any disadvantage to just doing a apt-get dist-upgrade when feisty final comes out, vs. doing a re-install with a new CD?
[03:10] <Wikzo> Strange. Some says they got in the forum -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=411201&page=266
[03:11] <Wikzo> What about Ubuntu.com
[03:11] <nero> (I am currently running the 7.04 beta if that makes a difference)
[03:12] <mc44> nero: your beta will be the same as the final assuming you have been installing updates
[03:12] <Hairulfr> Teres_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_play_DVD.27s
[03:12] <Teres_> how do i play dvd files such as ifo on fiesty?
[03:12] <Teres_> thnx
[03:12] <nero> mc44, excellent! :)
[03:12] <andre_pl> Teres_: google "restrictedformats"
[03:12] <sivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:12] <sivaji> Setting up xfonts-scalable (1.0.0-6) ...
[03:12] <sivaji> Invalid string keyword: chassis-type
[03:12] <sivaji> Valid string keywords are:
[03:12] <nero> just wanted to make sure.
[03:12] <sivaji>   bios-vendor
[03:12] <neonlinux> hey all.. anyone had a problem with wvdial hanging?
[03:13] <mc44> sivaji: dont paste in here
[03:13] <neonlinux> during alternate install it just sits there
[03:13] <nero> mc44, and all updates past that point would come from the same sources as the final version?  (i.e.- I dont need to change my sources, correct?)
[03:13] <mc44> nero: tes
[03:13] <mc44> *yes
[03:13] <nero> great.  Thanks for the info! :)  Congrats on the upcoming release to those who worked on it!
[03:14] <Hairulfr> How is the support for NTFS write? Does it work properly or does it bork the files?
[03:14] <mc44> !ntfs
[03:14] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:14] <mc44> !ntfs-3g
[03:15] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[03:17] <Teres_> i did wat it said but i still cant play the ifo file
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> sweet... Mozilla Thunderbird 2.0 is reported to be released
[03:18] <Hobbsee> nomasteryoda: wont be in feisty, ever
[03:19] <nomasteryoda> Hobbsee, awe that's ok
[03:19] <billy> Hobbsee, how won't 2.0 be in Feisty, ever?
[03:20] <billy> *why
[03:20] <billy> pardon me Englais
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> billy, i'm sure you will be able to install it...
[03:20] <VirhYl3> Anyone have a link explaining the improved Virtualization support in Feisty?
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> VirhYl3, that is part of the kernel's new stuff... kvm
[03:20] <billy> nomasteryoda, that's good.
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> you need newer cpu to take advantage of that
[03:20] <Hobbsee> billy: because it was released today...
[03:21] <VirhYl3> where can I read more about it?
[03:21] <mc44> Hobbsee: might be in backports :p
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> one supporting virtualization
[03:21] <VirhYl3> a dual core one?
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> as long as its got a .deb, it can be installed
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> VirhYl3, that would do nicely
[03:21] <Hobbsee> mc44: unlikely.  i dont think jdong's insane enough
[03:21] <VirhYl3> There's good dual core ones on newegg for like $80.
[03:21] <billy> nomasteryoda, can't alien convert a tar.gz into .deb?
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> VirhYl3, yup
[03:21] <mc44> Hobbsee: oh I think he is exactly that insane :)
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> billy, many/most of those are src and need compiling...
[03:22] <Hobbsee> mc44: no...mozilla products are hell to build.
[03:22] <xopher> nomasteryoda, how new?
[03:22] <clever[rev] > !ask
[03:22] <Hobbsee> mc44: worse than X
[03:22] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:22] <mc44> Hobbsee: thats true
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> ./configure && make && make install
[03:22] <mc44> Hobbsee: but FF was backported for dapper
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> Thunderbird is just extract to folder and run...
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> mc44, true
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> much quieter in here now
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> thanks for making that other channel
[03:23] <Hobbsee> mc44: hmm.  maybe, iv'e got no idea
[03:23] <mc44> Hobbsee: I think you are right, however :) People can use Gutsy if they want it :p
[03:23] <Hobbsee> true :)
[03:24] <andre_pl> so I just found this "Nvidia-glx-new" and tried installing that, now I get a version mismatch loading the nvidia modules. it says the kernel module is 96xx and the X Module is 9755 how do I update the kernel module? linux-restricted-modules is at its newest version.
[03:25] <jbinder> When is Feisty going to be available?
[03:25] <spikeb> read the topioc
[03:25] <variant> jbinder: ho hum...
[03:25] <yanger> just looking at the titles of these releases "Ubuntu Herd 3, Kubuntu Herd 4, etc" ...  still linux based right? Not switching to Herd [or was that Hurd]  ;\
[03:25] <Teres_> i tried wat u sed to do to play dvd files such as ifo's but now i cant play any files in totem
[03:26] <variant> yanger: correct
[03:26] <variant> yanger: and it's hurd
[03:26] <ShackJack> You guys catch this thread over @ digg? http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_7_04_Feisty_Fawn_has_officially_been_released
[03:26] <yanger> ah..
[03:26] <yanger> thanks
[03:26] <Teres_> wat can i do 2 enable dvd playing?
[03:26] <spikeb> yeah, digg jumped the gun as usual
[03:26] <versix> should I be able to `sudo apt-get install update-manager-core` now, or will that work only after fiesty is announced?
[03:26] <Hairulfr> Teres_: Didn't you follow the guide?
[03:26] <ShackJack> spikeb :)
[03:27] <yanger> Telep, libdvdcss3?
[03:27] <Teres_> i  did exactly as it sed
[03:27] <ShackJack> go spikeb go!
[03:27] <MLimburg> hmmmm dvd::rip is fiesty is behind
[03:27] <spikeb> hehe
[03:27] <MLimburg> http://freshmeat.net/projects/dvdrip/?branch_id=20118&release_id=250174
[03:27] <ShackJack> I don't have a digg account...
[03:27] <CarinArr> andre_pl: possibly talk about it in here instead;)
[03:27] <ShackJack> Digg = good for killing time @ work...
[03:27] <andre_pl> CarinArr: i have been, nobody here knows anything about it apparently.
[03:27] <MLimburg> we're using 0.98.4 whilst 0.98.6 is latest with "major bug fixes"
[03:27] <spikeb> i like digg, actually
[03:28] <spikeb> they're just horrible about releases heh
[03:28] <CarinArr> andre_pl: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[03:28] <Teres_> i did exactly as it sed and it still does not work
[03:28] <Teres_> wat can i do?
[03:28] <versix> does anyone know?
[03:28] <versix> I haven't upgraded a dist before...
[03:28] <Hairulfr> Teres_: What does it say when you try playing a film?
[03:29] <mc44> !upgrade | versix
[03:29] <ubotu> versix: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:29] <andre_pl> CarinArr: Do you know of a paster for the console? I can't get into X, I used to have "nopaste" or some such command that pasted to paste bin and gave a url. can't find it now. :S
[03:29] <Wikzo> Is it normal to download with 30 kb/s? I am trying to get 7.04 via BitTorrent
[03:29] <Hairulfr> Wikzo: Im going 320 and increasing
[03:30] <Hairulfr> Wikzo: Give it a little time
[03:30] <Wikzo> How can I get it faster?
[03:30] <Wikzo> I have - about 5 min
[03:30] <CarinArr> andre_pl: you s hould be able to get into x if you first back up the current file so you can pastebin it once in x, then comment out the line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf that says Load "glx", and change Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv"
[03:30] <Teres_> it ses "could not determine type of stream
[03:30] <Hairulfr> Wikzo: Check your settings? Is your upload humongous. that might be causing it
[03:30] <versix> mc44: I was reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades#head-e471fe0c514bab31d4fac24a8a8fde382e8c7aaf
[03:30] <ShackJack> Wikzo - people thing the final release is today so they're hittin' it hard... maybe trackers are overloaded...
[03:30] <dcordes> ello
[03:30] <andre_pl> CarinArr: http://paste.stgraber.org/511
[03:31] <CarinArr> make sure you copy both the /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf to somewhere else before you boot back into x though, or they will not show what was originally the problem
[03:31] <mc44> versix: right....
[03:31] <versix> dc44: should I be able to `sudo apt-get install update-manager-core` now, or will that work only after fiesty is announced?
[03:31] <andre_pl> CarinArr: and 512
[03:31] <Teres_> i can play the vob files...but i wanna b able 2 play the ifo file so that it will b one thing and i can have manus and stuff
[03:31] <finalbeta> Lol, I guess it was a bad idea to upgrade right now. Was going at 50k, so I checked, yep, released. hehe
[03:31] <mc44> versix: where did you ge tthe sudo apt-get install update-manager-core command from?
[03:31] <mc44> versix: you dont need to do that
[03:31] <ShackJack> finalbeta - that's cause Feisty Final is out today - NOT!!! :)
[03:32] <finalbeta> it's not? :p what's causing the mess then
[03:32] <versix> mc44: from the page for ubuntu edgy server. ok
[03:32] <mc44> versix: ah you are on a server?
[03:32] <mc44> sorry
[03:32] <versix> yes
[03:32] <CarinArr> andre_pl: right, can you please comment out the entire second Device section, and the entire second Screen section?
[03:32] <Teres_> so wat should i do hairulfr
[03:33] <docMuerto> Help to Shared, P2P ed2k://|file|ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso|731797504|E239215147FA03E5DB3D6C816291BFCA|h=2ZG5NL5GESHFR5NYUXF2AUZDDNICP4CR|/  (aMule or eMule)
[03:33] <mc44> versix: yes you can apt-get now
[03:33] <versix> I've already tried that command, but I'm not sure if it should work before fiesty is announced
[03:33] <andre_pl> CarinArr: I'll try it, but as you can see the problem i'm having is a version mismatch, the 2nd display works great, always has/
[03:33] <versix> do I have to add a repository or something?
[03:33] <mc44> versix: the do-release-upgrade bit probably wont work until it is annoced however
[03:33] <mc44> versix: nope
[03:34] <versix> mc44: I get E: Couldn't find package update-manager-core
[03:34] <beanie> aptitude update?
[03:34] <Exien> Hi, I'm having an issue regarding my wireless connection. I have a broadcom card and I am using ndiswrapper to install the drivers for it. My issue is, that since I reformatted and installed Feisty it acts kind of weird. I'm not sure what the problem is though. First when I boot it works fine. Then I use synergy to connect two computers with one mouse and keyboard, and it works fine for a few minutes but then it stops resolving names. So google.com doesn't
[03:34] <Exien> go anywhere but if I type google's IP it works fine. Now, if I reset my connection it works fine, meaning I can resolve any domain but I can't connect to local IPs. I ping them and I get no reply until I restart the computer and then it goes back to square one. Is this a bug on Feisty? It never happened to me in Edgy. Thanks.
[03:34] <_Neil> isnt fiesty supposed to be released now? been on 'tomorrow' for 2 days..
[03:34] <CarinArr> andre_pl: uhm.. there's no version mismatch error in that log
[03:35] <Exien> _Neil, It was supposed to release the 19th but I don't think it has yet
[03:35] <_Neil> ah ok
[03:35] <_Neil> ta :)
[03:35] <locolbd> !stable
[03:35] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[03:35] <Hairulfr> Exien: The iso are there for download, nothing on update manager yet and edgy is still the current ver. on ubuntu.com
[03:35] <Exien> Hairulfr, Yeah I know, but the ISOs are of the beta, aren't they?
[03:36] <Hairulfr> Teres_: I don't know, it worked fine for me
[03:36] <Exien> Hairulfr, I'm running Feisty regardless, its neat :)
[03:36] <locolbd> does anyone here know how i can set xmms to be my  default music player intead of movie player?
[03:36] <Teres_> could u play ripped dvd files?
[03:36] <Teres_> cause the file is on my hard drive
[03:36] <andre_pl> CarinArr: commenting those sections didn't help.. I AM getting a version mismatch, I see it in the GDM crash screen, I dont know why you cant., I still have no browser to se what I pasted. but the GDM Crash screen is telling me that I have a different version of the GLX module that doesn't match my nvidia kernel module.
[03:36] <Teres_> not on a dvd
[03:36] <versix> mc44: know any reason why apt-get can't find the update-manager package?
[03:36] <CarinArr> andre_pl: it's  not in the log though
[03:37] <mc44> versix: not sure. have you tried apt-get update?
[03:37] <Hairulfr> Exien: Been running it for a while here as well, the best distro I've tried for ages regarding stability
[03:37] <versix> mc44: yes
[03:37] <Exien> Hairulfr, I would agree :)
[03:37] <CarinArr> andre_pl: did it work originally, and if so what did you change when it stoped working
[03:37] <mc44> versix: try "apt-cache search update manager"
[03:37] <andre_pl> CarinArr: are yout sure? at the very top? every time I start X I see it in that ugly blue window. "API Mismatch"
[03:37] <Hairulfr> Exien: used to think suse was good, but it's just so bloated and horribly buggy
[03:38] <andre_pl> CarinArr: obviously xorg.log doesn't catch it.
[03:38] <locolbd> does anyone here know how i can set xmms to be my  default music player intead of movie player?
[03:38] <versix> mc44: it found "update-manager", perhaps I should install that?
[03:38] <peter77> isn't fiesty final been released yet?
[03:38] <CarinArr> xorg.conf normally shows it though
[03:38] <peter77> isn't = hasn't
[03:38] <mc44> versix: you can try
[03:38] <versix> mc44: although the description for that has to do with GNOME...
[03:38] <mc44> versix: i think thats the gnome version though
[03:39] <mc44> versix: it might have the update-manager-core binarys too...
[03:39] <andre_pl> CarinArr: Updates killed it. I had no GLX. so I tried installing nvidia-glx-new and that gave me the version problem and i can't get into X now.  I 'm sure i can go back to nvidia-glx but I'll still have no GLX.
[03:39] <Hairulfr> Teres_: Are you trying to play ripped dvd or proper one you put in the drive? I don't know about those. But they should probably be mounted first
[03:39] <Teres_> how do i mount it?
[03:40] <CarinArr> andre_pl: okay.. hang on.. are you still using the nvidia-glx package?>
[03:40] <mc44> versix: are you on edgy?
[03:40] <versix> mc44: yes
[03:40] <andre_pl> CarinArr: I just removed glx-new and went back to nvidia-glx, now X Will start,m but doesn't load the glx module.
[03:40] <mc44> versix: does the do-release-upgrade command work?
[03:40] <CarinArr> andre_pl: normally, the way to solve kernel mismatch problem is to remove AND PURGE nvidia packages and anything related.
[03:40] <versix> mc44: That update-manager package has a huge amount of dependencies, so I'm not doing that
[03:41] <mc44> versix: i thought it might :)
[03:41] <CarinArr> andre_pl: there're loads of posts about how to completely clean the installed nvidia-glx from your system on ubuntuforums
[03:41] <Exien> Hi, I'm having an issue regarding my wireless connection. I have a broadcom card and I am using ndiswrapper to install the drivers for it. My issue is, that since I reformatted and installed Feisty it acts kind of weird. I'm not sure what the problem is though. First when I boot it works fine. Then I use synergy to connect two computers with one mouse and keyboard, and it works fine for a few minutes but then it stops resolving names. So google.com doesn't
[03:41] <Exien> go anywhere but if I type google's IP it works fine. Now, if I reset my connection it works fine, meaning I can resolve any domain but I can't connect to local IPs. I ping them and I get no reply until I restart the computer and then it goes back to square one. Is this a bug on Feisty? It never happened to me in Edgy. Thanks.
[03:41] <versix> mc44: command not found
[03:41] <docMuerto> Help to Shared, P2P ed2k://|file|ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso|731797504|E239215147FA03E5DB3D6C816291BFCA|h=2ZG5NL5GESHFR5NYUXF2AUZDDNICP4CR|/  (aMule or eMule)
[03:41] <Hairulfr> Teres_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_mount.2Funmount_Image_.28ISO.29_files_without_burning
[03:42] <CarinArr> andre_pl: i'd follow those guides on how to purge everything needed, also purge the -glx-new package, and then install nvidia-glx-new #
[03:42] <CarinArr> you have a new card so you should really be using glx-new rather than glx
[03:42] <andre_pl> CarinArr: CarinArr is there anything other than GLX package to reinstall? I've done that several times
[03:43] <Teres_> wait
[03:43] <Teres_> its not an iso
[03:43] <versix> mc44: I don't remember removing anything from this install... should I have that command?
[03:43] <mc44> versix: no, i guess it should come with upgrade-manager-core
[03:43] <Teres_> a friend of mine ripped it on his computer and gave me the ripeed VIDEO_TS folder
[03:44] <mc44> versix: you need to use edgy-updates
[03:44] <UNDERsoN> http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ As I Understand this is release of Ubuntu 7.04
[03:44] <Teres_> inside there there is the *.vob files and the "VIDEO_TS.IFO" file which i need 2 play
[03:44] <Hairulfr> Teres_: What is the file called?
[03:44] <Hairulfr> Ah
[03:44] <Teres_> VIDEO_TS.IFO
[03:44] <ShackJack> UNDERsoN - RC
[03:44] <CarinArr> andre_pl, yes there is, but i can't remember off the top of my head. there're restricted packages that may interfere, and some other packages. if you go to the nvidia howto thread on the forums, there should be a guide to completely uninstalling the nvidia-glx package there (including the other things that need removing)
[03:45] <Teres_> i used one in dapper aswell but i cant remember how
[03:45] <UNDERsoN> ShackJack File names without rc
[03:45] <Hairulfr> Teres_: I don't really know about that. But you should be able to play it somehow, hm...
[03:45] <Teres_> and im sure its different in fiesty
[03:45] <andre_pl> CarinArr: wit=CarI can't find a thread about it, lots of nmvida threads but nothing helpful :(
[03:46] <xopher> anyone else experiencing a really slow startup time for mplayer?
[03:46] <yanger> xopher, in 6.10, yes
[03:46] <mc44> versix: so you need to add edgy-updates to your sources.list and update
[03:46] <versix> mc44: edgy updates is in my /etc/apt/sources.list, do I need to do anything else?
[03:46] <mc44> versix: hmm
[03:46] <xopher> yanger, well Im on feisty, didn't have the problem in 6.10 at all
[03:46] <versix> mc44: it's always been there, uncommented
[03:47] <mc44> versix: could you pastebin your sources.list?
[03:47] <yanger> heh
[03:47] <yanger> weird
[03:48] <_Neil> hmmm.. If I update to feisty, will it break my nvidia drivers from a 3rd party repos, or any stuff like that?
[03:49] <xopher> It'll probably just upgrade them.
[03:49] <versix> mc44: http://pastie.caboo.se/54977
[03:49] <xopher> no, it WILL upgrade them
[03:49] <xopher> since the kernel is upgraded, and nvidia-glx depends in l-r-m, which depends on the kernel
[03:49] <Wikzo> Is the torrents on this sites the final version of 7.04? http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/
[03:50] <xopher> _Neil, other stuff I can't vouch for
[03:50] <_Neil> thanks :)
[03:50] <xopher> yes Wikzo
[03:50] <Wikzo> What about ubuntu-7.04-desktop<font size="3">-i386.iso            15-Apr-2007 14:52  698M  Desktop CD for PC (Intel x86) computers (standard download)?</font>
[03:50] <Wikzo> <font size="3">It says the 15.</font>
[03:50] <capiira> whats l-r-m?
[03:50] <mc44> versix: looks right. hmm
[03:50] <xopher> linux-restricted-modules
[03:50] <capiira> ahh ok :)
[03:51] <versix> mc44: is there any way to get a more verbose error from apt-get?
[03:51] <mc44> versix: well if its not appearing in apt-cache search then its because it doesnt think it exists
[03:51] <xopher> versix, what's the error? It's often very self-explanatory
[03:51] <xopher> right
[03:52] <versix> it does say the package isn't found
[03:52] <versix> but then the question is, why isn't apt-get update working?
[03:52] <mc44> versix: is apt-get update failing?
[03:53] <versix> mc44: hang on, update is outputting "Ign" for edgy-updates. is that ignore?!
[03:54] <mc44> yes
[03:54] <stiffme1983> dose the release version of feisty fix the kernel problem?
[03:54] <mc44> versix: try changing your mirror
[03:55] <versix> mc44: where do I get a list of mirrors?
[03:55] <mc44> versix: nz seems to work
[03:55] <stiffme1983> does feisty support ibm R51e?
[03:55] <mc44> versix: in place of au
[03:55] <versix> mc44: ok
[03:56] <Exien> I have a question. I'm having a problem connecting to a local machine through the network. Whenever I ping it (IP is 192.168.1.159) it starts pinging it but then it says 192.168.1.38 Destination unreachable. I'm not sure why its going to .38 but it is. Now if I ping 192.168.1.38 it works fine. I don't get what's going on. Could someone please help me?
[03:56] <stefg> Well, http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com gives me 10 kB .... could it be that thhe server is busy :-) ?
[03:57] <versix> mc44: it appeared to do a few things with that change, but the update-manager-core package is still not found...
[03:57] <mc44> versix: does it still Ign updates?
[03:57] <CarinArr> andre_pl: try sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new nvidia-xconfig linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` linux-restricted-modules-common nvidia-settings
[03:58] <CarinArr> then sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[03:58] <acuster> !pastebin
[03:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:58] <versix> mc44: here's the output: http://pastie.caboo.se/54977
[03:59] <mc44> versix: its only ignoring translations
[03:59] <mc44> versix: so that shouldnt be the problem
[04:00] <versix> mc44: yes, but with the au mirror there were no Gets
[04:00] <stiffme1983> 2.6.20-15-generic anyone using this kernel?
[04:00] <stefg> stiffme1983: probably most people :-) it's the default one
[04:00] <mc44> versix: probably because you had already got the most up to date
[04:00] <Exien> I have a question. I'm having a problem connecting to a local machine through the network. Whenever I ping it (IP is 192.168.1.159) it starts pinging it but then it says 192.168.1.38 Destination unreachable. I'm not sure why its going to .38 but it is. Now if I ping 192.168.1.38 it works fine. I don't get what's going on. Could someone please help me?
[04:01] <stiffme1983> stefg: this kernel seems buggy
[04:01] <versix> mc44: and yet no update-manager-core...
[04:01] <stefg> stiffme1983: this is indeed the case ... i can sing a song of that
[04:01] <versix> mc44: thx for your help, it's midnight here, so I'll try again in the morning
[04:01] <CarinArr> Exien: what's the router ip address?
[04:02] <mc44> versix: ok. Id suggest just wgetting the deb from the server if nothing else works
[04:02] <stiffme1983> stefg: first,it makes my sound card works,but no sound out
[04:02] <Exien> CarinArr, I believe its 192.168.1.7 (At least thats the default host, and the one set up on the windows machine as well)
[04:02] <stiffme1983> stefg: kernel randomly freeze due to hard disk problem
[04:02] <wilykat> ello all
[04:02] <stefg> stiffme1983: try -14, writ a bug report on LP
[04:03] <wilykat> i've been having issues with fiesty shutting down since installing a few weeks back, the splash with its progress bar flickers and the machine fails to power down, leaving hdd activity led going until i tap power, power down only happening after the 5 second pwr hold...
[04:03] <stefg> -15 has to go... asap ( rant, rant)
[04:04] <wilykat> any ideas? or just file a bug report for make and model
[04:04] <CarinArr> yeah
[04:04] <duanerb> is there an #ubuntu+2?
[04:04] <wilykat> CarinArr: was that a yeh file a bug report?
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> sometimes
[04:04] <coNP> yes duanerb
[04:05] <duanerb> haha
[04:05] <duanerb> is it edgy? :p
[04:05] <stiffme1983> stefg: a lot of people have these bugs.seems we have to compile the kernel ourselves.
[04:06] <stefg> stiffme1983: sad but true... i wish they'd not rushed out the release. ubuntu is getting notoriuos for buggy releases
[04:07] <eifzon> hello
[04:08] <eifzon> i just installed the ubuntu 7.04 fiesty version, and i installed nvidia-glx driver, when i tried to start X it just closes, i cant use X now :S
[04:08] <ATi7500> hi
[04:08] <ATi7500> somebody with a good knowledge of networking?
[04:09] <oyvind> Thinkpad Z61m, ATI X1400, 7.04 livecd => loading animation eventually disappears, I/O stops and screen goes black. dapper and edgy livecds worked fine on same hardware .. :(
[04:09] <maddler> PriceChild: hello!
[04:09] <maddler> ATi7500: try asking...
[04:09] <cables> Was Feisty released? I can't get to the ubuntu.com site.
[04:09] <ATi7500> maddler: we are trying to figure it out, join #ATi7500
[04:10] <JebJoya> right, I need to get my wireless card working, i've got 6.10 and want to upgrade to 7.04 without the internet - do I just get the CD when it's released?
[04:10] <stefg> So coming to my favourite bug: Does anyone know how to customize the initrd? as http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-source-2.6.20_2.6.20-15.27/changelog says they kicked pata_amd, but  the released initrd leads me to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/98670. Is there any config i can edit to rebuild the intramfs with lib_pata again?
[04:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 98670 in Ubuntu "DVD-Drive locks at startup when using usplash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[04:10] <PriceChild> hello again
[04:10] <maddler> ATi7500: ?
[04:11] <ATi7500> maddler: can you join the channel #ATi7500? :)
[04:11] <dc> can someone walk me through a dist - upgrade from edgy to fiesty?
[04:12] <jrib> dc: it is on the wiki page, it's right at the bottom
[04:12] <stefg> !upgrade
[04:12] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:13] <JebJoya> stefg: thanks - just wanted to check that
[04:14] <JebJoya> is this "http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/" the release version?
[04:14] <JebJoya> there seems to be confusion over that
[04:14] <stefg> as the URL suggests :-)
[04:14] <dc> jrib: got it.  will automatix being installed mess up the upgrade?
[04:14] <jrib> dc: that has happened in the past
[04:14] <JebJoya> yeah, but i mean the final version
[04:14] <eifzon> i just installed the ubuntu 7.04 fiesty version, and i installed nvidia-glx driver, when i tried to start X it just closes, i cant use X now :S
[04:14] <JebJoya> in #ubuntu they're saying it's not (sometimes)
[04:14] <guilhermee> please... use torrent to download feisty... http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[04:14] <dc> jrib: should i apt-get remove automatix and then add it?
[04:15] <cables> wait... why is there a torrent already?
[04:15] <jrib> dc: it's not really having automatix that is the problem, it's how automatix sometimes does things
[04:15] <dc> jrib: after i upgrade?
[04:15] <apokryphos-> dc: well it might've already caused the damage
[04:15] <JebJoya> guilhermee: so that's the final release version?
[04:15] <dc> apokryphos-: why do you say that?
[04:15] <apokryphos-> ubotu: automatix
[04:15] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[04:15] <cables> why is the torrent available?
[04:15] <guilhermee> JebJoya, the file was dated april 19
[04:16] <apokryphos-> cables: because making things available is part of the release process
[04:16] <apokryphos-> it hasn't been announced yet
[04:16] <guilhermee> cables, i don't know
[04:16] <cables> Damn, Thunderbird 2 comes out THE DAY Feisty comes out... which I'm guessing means Thunderbird 2 isn't going to be there :(
[04:16] <cables> apokryphos, so that's the final version, it's not going to change until official release?
[04:16] <tuxub> hi, how can I enable the v4l kernel module in ubuntu?
[04:16] <apokryphos-> presuming you have the right URL
[04:16] <guilhermee> cables, 24kb/s on torrent =/
[04:17] <gils> so i am sure about this being asked a million times already,but....i want to know in terms of functionality; for those of us running the beta now, what will installing the upcoming release improve.
[04:17] <cables> guilhermee, I've got like no upload on this ADSL line, so I doubt I'll help out too much... I promise to seed to at least 1 though :)
[04:17] <JebJoya> i guess that right now isn't the best time to be trying to upgrade 8S
[04:17] <cables> gils, it won't improve any functionality
[04:17] <b0ng0> hi could anyone help with Wireless in Feisty?
[04:17] <cables> gils, it's just bugfixes
[04:17] <mc44> versix: if your still there, it was a problem with the packages, you can used edgy-proposed to get it now
[04:18] <treylsu> Anyone know if the following error will prevent me from getting updates: trey@trey-laptop:~$ gksu update-manager
[04:18] <treylsu> warning: could not initiate dbus
[04:18] <treylsu> current dist not found in meta-release file
[04:18] <treylsu> could not send the dbus Inhibit signal: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[04:18] <versix> mc44: thx!
[04:18] <treylsu> im running 7.04 beta
[04:18] <mc44> versix: thank you for spotting it :)
[04:18] <cables> !paste | treylsu
[04:18] <ubotu> treylsu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:18] <cables> treylsu, even if it's small, it's still a busy, busy channel
[04:18] <gils> cables: ok. but one would assume that with regular upadate to 7.04 these bugs are more or less being taken care off.
[04:18] <guilhermee> cables, 18kb/s now ;~
[04:19] <cables> guilhermee, 32 for me :)
[04:19] <cables> guilhermee, and do you really mean kb/s, or kB/s?
[04:19] <b0ng0> help with wireless in feisty anyone?? :)
[04:19] <guilhermee> cables, ok ok .... kB/s :P
[04:19] <versix> mc44: how do I add edgy-proposed to my sources.list?
[04:19] <cables> guilhermee, 70 kBps up, wow, I haven't even port-forwarded on  this new modem...
[04:19] <guilhermee> cables, 40 here...
[04:20] <BrianBoyko> Can I say something?
[04:20] <jrib> BrianBoyko: of course
[04:20] <coNP> too late :)
[04:20] <mc44> versix: just add edgy-proposed next to edgy-updates
[04:20] <coNP> I guess....
[04:20] <BrianBoyko> Feisty, from what I've seen so far, ROCKS.  I did a lengthy review of Edgy for HardOCP.  It's like Canonical read that and fixed every one of the problems I had.
[04:20] <mc44> versix: ie copy the line and change the work
[04:20] <treylsu> im running 7.04 beta will the following error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16401/plain/ prevent me from getting updates
[04:20] <mc44> versix: word
[04:21] <coNP> (feisty has been released inbetween :))
[04:21] <coNP> elkbuntu: please include the poor gibbon :) who became #ubuntu+1
[04:22] <charlie_zzz> the king is dead ... long live the king ! ... ;)
[04:22] <elkbuntu> this channel will be dissolved soon, so if y'all wanna head to #ubuntu-release-party to party or #ubuntu for support, it'd be great :)
[04:22] <_Neil> Anyone seeing it on synaptic?
[04:23] <coNP> elkbuntu: thanks :)
[04:23] <_Neil> update manager shows no feisty
[04:23] <Seveas> Guys and Gals
[04:23] <Seveas> FEISTY IS OUT
[04:23] <elkbuntu> it is time
[04:23] <capiira> so where is mark ? :D
[04:23] <elkbuntu> coNP, it's only for a few days really
[04:23] <Seveas> Thanks for sticking with us, see you back soon for gutsy
[04:23] <coNP> elkbuntu: I know :)
[04:23] <guilhermee> Released :D
[04:24] <b0ng0> help with wireless in feisty anyone?? :)
[04:24] <elkbuntu> CapaH, in the party channel
[04:24] <guilhermee> http://www.ubuntu.com/